| schestowitz | Search for "Freedom", get "did you mean freemason?" | Jan 13 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | Search for "speech", get "did you mean spinach?" | Jan 13 00:02 |
| trmanco | lol | Jan 13 00:03 |
| MinceR | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1504130&cid=30708172 | Jan 13 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2010/01/11/sage-bionetworks-strikes-deal-with-pfizer-to-find-cancer-drug-targets/ | Jan 13 00:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Sage Bionetworks Strikes Deal With Pfizer to Find Cancer Drug Targets | Xconomy .::. Size~: 47.99 KB | Jan 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | "If Sage can convince scientists to contribute to the database, and get them collaborating through social media like Twitter and Facebook have done, then Sage hopes biologists might be able to speed up the pace of discovery of more effective drugs, just like open-source computing can create better software." | Jan 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I saw that | Jan 13 00:08 |
| schestowitz | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/01/11/2140224/Neural-Nets-Make-Art-While-High | Jan 13 00:10 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Technology Story | Neural Nets Make Art While High .::. Size~: 142.16 KB | Jan 13 00:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Google agreed to what China on the conditions as long as China left google services alone. Guess what china broke agreement. Google is not exactly freespeech. Its more ok we will do what you want as long as you don't harm what we do. | Jan 13 00:11 |
| MinceR | google's approach to free speech is that "it's ok if we violate it, but you're evil if you do" | Jan 13 00:12 |
| MinceR | apparently google's understanding of "do no evil" is "push all the responsibility for doing evil on others" | Jan 13 00:13 |
| oiaohm | Its not like free speech has common meaning to everyone MinceR | Jan 13 00:13 |
| oiaohm | The hard bit of free speech is working out what should or should not be restricted. | Jan 13 00:14 |
| MinceR | maybe it means "i say whatever i want but if anyone speaks out against me, i'll have them executed" to dictators | Jan 13 00:14 |
| MinceR | it isn't that hard | Jan 13 00:14 |
| MinceR | the exceptions are few and relatively obvious | Jan 13 00:14 |
| MinceR | and it's even more obvious that what google helps china repress is indeed free speech | Jan 13 00:14 |
| oiaohm | If not don't operate in china so cutting everyone out form all the information google can lead people to. | Jan 13 00:16 |
| oiaohm | great china firewall MinceR | Jan 13 00:16 |
| MinceR | i think it's pretty obvious that the great chinese firewall violates free speech | Jan 13 00:16 |
| oiaohm | Its a lot harder call than you make out. Its not like google did it willingly. They were filtered out many times before giving. | Jan 13 00:16 |
| MinceR | and helping the PRC with it validates the PRC's efforts | Jan 13 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Cutting people out from all information also harms them MinceR | Jan 13 00:17 |
| MinceR | google chose cash over supporting freedom and they defined this as "not evil" | Jan 13 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Like google did not block how other goverments around the worlded worked from china. | Jan 13 00:18 |
| MinceR | now the PRC can point at google and say "see, they're doing censorship all the same and they say they do no evil" | Jan 13 00:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: do no evil is a very hard goal to meet. | Jan 13 00:19 |
| oiaohm | You do evil by being completely blocked and people not being able to know how the rest of world works. | Jan 13 00:19 |
| MinceR | sure, it's very hard for someone as greedy and unscrupulous as google's leaders | Jan 13 00:19 |
| oiaohm | You do evil by filtering as well. | Jan 13 00:19 |
| oiaohm | Question is what is less evil. | Jan 13 00:19 |
| MinceR | especially eric schmidt, whose views on privacy are well known | Jan 13 00:20 |
| MinceR | but there was an honest way out of this | Jan 13 00:20 |
| MinceR | not claiming that they "do no evil" | Jan 13 00:20 |
| MinceR | then they'd be like a dozen other evil megacorps | Jan 13 00:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Google has tried to play by the rules. | Jan 13 00:20 |
| MinceR | it's easy to blame the rules | Jan 13 00:21 |
| oiaohm | do no evil is a goal. | Jan 13 00:21 |
| MinceR | it's the old "if it's legal, it must be right" claim | Jan 13 00:21 |
| oiaohm | Now problem is it not always achivable. | Jan 13 00:21 |
| oiaohm | No it not. | Jan 13 00:21 |
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| MinceR | "do no evil" does not mean something that will someday will be achieved | Jan 13 00:21 |
| MinceR | that's not how that can be phrased | Jan 13 00:21 |
| oiaohm | You are trying to say world is abolute. | Jan 13 00:21 |
| MinceR | maybe if they said "do no evil, eventually" | Jan 13 00:22 |
| MinceR | or "stop being assholes someday" | Jan 13 00:22 |
| oiaohm | World is masive shades of grey between good and evil. | Jan 13 00:22 |
| MinceR | yeah, it doesn't sound so nice, does it? | Jan 13 00:22 |
| oiaohm | What one person classes as good another can class as evil. | Jan 13 00:22 |
| MinceR | if a shade of dark gray puts up a sign saying "i'm white" it's still dark gray | Jan 13 00:22 |
| MinceR | yes and they can class themselves as good | Jan 13 00:23 |
| oiaohm | Goal of do no evil is basically impossiable. | Jan 13 00:23 |
| MinceR | doesn't mean it makes them so | Jan 13 00:23 |
| MinceR | is it? | Jan 13 00:23 |
| oiaohm | It is MinceR | Jan 13 00:23 |
| oiaohm | Nothing you do is without side effects. | Jan 13 00:23 |
| MinceR | would google perish if they 1) did no business in the PRC, 2) kept no private search records on anonymous visitors, 3) kept a normally-expiring cookie on clients and 4) allowed their registered users to truly wipe their personal data from google's servers if they wanted? | Jan 13 00:24 |
| MinceR | sure, they'd be less profitable, but then they'd likely meet their goal of "do no evil" | Jan 13 00:24 |
| _goblin | Hello all. | Jan 13 00:25 |
| oiaohm | Not doing business in the PRC also harmed the people of china. | Jan 13 00:25 |
| oiaohm | so that is a + - | Jan 13 00:25 |
| MinceR | they collect and keep around way too much data on users | Jan 13 00:25 |
| MinceR | not doing business in the PRC would show a proper disapproval of censorship | Jan 13 00:25 |
| MinceR | and it would help make a claim of "we do no evil" more believable | Jan 13 00:26 |
| oiaohm | Then google would be attacked for some for filtering items like child porn MinceR | Jan 13 00:26 |
| MinceR | i think that google's behavior shows that they are hardly even trying. | Jan 13 00:26 |
| MinceR | they shouldn't filter child porn unless the user has requested to filter it (via SafeSearch) | Jan 13 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Or malware sites MinceR | Jan 13 00:27 |
| MinceR | same thing | Jan 13 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Google does filter for the common good. MinceR | Jan 13 00:27 |
| MinceR | yeah, that's what they all say | Jan 13 00:27 |
| MinceR | "it's for your own good" | Jan 13 00:27 |
| MinceR | like i didn't know what's good for me | Jan 13 00:27 |
| oiaohm | So google should not remove links to virus sites from there search. | Jan 13 00:27 |
| oiaohm | this is the problem with censorship so much is required. | Jan 13 00:27 |
| MinceR | by that reasoning, they should also remove links to sites like microsoft.com and apple.com | Jan 13 00:27 |
| _goblin | I see that BN logs are being quoted out of context over the MVP situation. | Jan 13 00:28 |
| MinceR | either provide a neutral search engine or make the user's choices for them | Jan 13 00:28 |
| MinceR | those are two different kinds of service. | Jan 13 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft and apple machines don't have to be infected and being bots spaming the net. | Jan 13 00:28 |
| MinceR | they're infected by windows and osx respectively | Jan 13 00:29 |
| MinceR | visitors are likely to be scammed | Jan 13 00:29 |
| MinceR | etc. | Jan 13 00:29 |
| oiaohm | Neutral google has tried early on in there history. | Jan 13 00:29 |
| oiaohm | And end with results filled will malware. | Jan 13 00:29 |
| oiaohm | And viruses. | Jan 13 00:29 |
| MinceR | but it wasn't profitable enough? | Jan 13 00:29 |
| _goblin | From Twitter -----"Boycott Novell denizens want Miguel dead, it seems. "That way we don't need to have this burden": @schestowitz http://bit.ly/5wsLNZ" | Jan 13 00:29 |
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| MinceR | and something like SafeSearch couldn't possibly work for malware? | Jan 13 00:29 |
| MinceR | _goblin: so what can we do against quotes being mashed together out of context then? stop talking? | Jan 13 00:30 |
| oiaohm | SafeSearch is still cenership MinceR | Jan 13 00:30 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: it's optional | Jan 13 00:30 |
| MinceR | i can choose to turn it off | Jan 13 00:30 |
| MinceR | PRC residents can't choose to just turn off google's censorship | Jan 13 00:31 |
| oiaohm | You cannot turn off the child porn part. | Jan 13 00:31 |
| MinceR | well, that's censorship | Jan 13 00:31 |
| MinceR | what if i wanted to search for child porn? :> | Jan 13 00:31 |
| _goblin | MinceR: No, not at all...I think just lowering our minds to that of the LinXXX ilk and considering carefully whats typed... | Jan 13 00:31 |
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| oiaohm | Child porn production is harmful to children. | Jan 13 00:31 |
| oiaohm | This gets you back to the do no evil part. | Jan 13 00:31 |
| MinceR | what if i wanted to find out what a certain term means ...and be prevented from finding out that it somehow also refers to child porn? | Jan 13 00:31 |
| _goblin | Hi Chips | Jan 13 00:31 |
| schestowitz | [00:21] <oiaohm> do no evil is a goal. | Jan 13 00:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Goblin, e1 | Jan 13 00:32 |
| schestowitz | No, it's PR | Jan 13 00:32 |
| MinceR | consider the search on tiananmen square | Jan 13 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Mark Shuttleworth told them to drop this nonsense old motto | Jan 13 00:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html | Jan 13 00:32 |
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| oiaohm | The images of it are blocked. Not descriptions on it MinceR. Not like you need pictures unless you are perfected. | Jan 13 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Nonsensical moral shield | Jan 13 00:32 |
| MinceR | in china, it doesn't bring up some of the images, providing a distorted image of what it is. | Jan 13 00:32 |
| oiaohm | Perverted. | Jan 13 00:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Quote: "We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn, and so over the next few weeks we will be discussing with the Chinese government the basis on which we could operate an unfiltered search engine within the law, if at all. We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China." | Jan 13 00:33 |
| MinceR | the job of a neutral search engine is very simple: give me a list of web pages that contain these terms, ordered by relevancy. | Jan 13 00:33 |
| MinceR | that can be morally neutral and that way it supports freedom of speech | Jan 13 00:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | anybody seen that yet? | Jan 13 00:33 |
| oiaohm | There is no neutral search engine on the internet. MinceR | Jan 13 00:34 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: that's what the psychopaths always do | Jan 13 00:34 |
| schestowitz | To RMS/FSF to | Jan 13 00:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bet Bing will not shut down | Jan 13 00:34 |
| MinceR | Chips_B_Malroy: we're discussing it | Jan 13 00:34 |
| schestowitz | *too | Jan 13 00:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ok | Jan 13 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Distortion, then attack on straw man | Jan 13 00:34 |
| MinceR | google is now doing the right thing about google.cn but for the wrong reason. | Jan 13 00:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR's silly remarks of death wishes shoot the site in the face again | Jan 13 00:34 |
| MinceR | which means that they'll do the wrong thing again if things change. | Jan 13 00:34 |
| schestowitz | But I did not say what they (he) claims there.... obvious case of quote out of context | Jan 13 00:35 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: I thought a Psychopath was someone who merely had no empathy or remorse or conscience.....a little like the Taxman. | Jan 13 00:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not really. If China goverment cannot live by there own moral rules. Then the rules must be evil so must not be followed. | Jan 13 00:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Newsweek believes Microsoft will kick Ballmer to the curb in 2010. http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Microsoft-Ballmer-Newsweek-Gates-CEO,news-5542.html | Jan 13 00:35 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: that's what one gets if they treat what happens on an open chat channel as an official statement of position. | Jan 13 00:35 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: and mashing quotes up out of context. | Jan 13 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Basically china attempting to access google services was a breach of there own rules. | Jan 13 00:36 |
| schestowitz | [00:34] <Chips_B_Malroy> Bet Bing will not shut down | Jan 13 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 13 00:36 |
| oiaohm | Ie password protected paths. | Jan 13 00:36 |
| schestowitz | They'll rerename | Jan 13 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Rererererename | Jan 13 00:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Jan 13 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Just "bi" | Jan 13 00:36 |
| *Balrog has quit ("bye") | Jan 13 00:36 | |
| schestowitz | Shorter than "bing" and "MSN" | Jan 13 00:36 |
| schestowitz | pronounced "bye" | Jan 13 00:37 |
| MinceR | "bibi" | Jan 13 00:37 |
| trmanco | bi | Jan 13 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Not like google is going to stop attempting to provide there search engine to china. Before breaking rules and risking lots of harm you have to attempt following them to see if the problem can be improved inside the rules. | Jan 13 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Bong also censored in China | Jan 13 00:38 |
| MinceR | is it so important to follow the rules of a totalitarian regime? | Jan 13 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Then they got caught | Jan 13 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Every country cenorship rules have changed over the years. MinceR | Jan 13 00:38 |
| schestowitz | NYT called for a boycott vs Bong | Jan 13 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft then blamed a "bug" | Jan 13 00:38 |
| MinceR | what's more important, the rules or freedom? | Jan 13 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Remember in the USA when talking about grog was Illegal MinceR. | Jan 13 00:38 |
| schestowitz | How about they fix their anti-Linux anti-Mac results "bug" too? | Jan 13 00:38 |
| MinceR | well, you've never seen me portray the USA as a paragon of freedom. :> | Jan 13 00:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @omar_s_hafez have a look: http://katonda.com/news/507/jordan-open-source-hub-middle-east | Jan 13 00:38 | |
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| oiaohm | And at the time they cliamed to have freedom of speech the complete time. MinceR | Jan 13 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Providing information can change the future. MinceR | Jan 13 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Freedom of peach!! | Jan 13 00:39 |
| *schestowitz goes to kitchenette | Jan 13 00:39 | |
| oiaohm | Remember in china schools they don't even talk about different systems of goverment. MinceR Something we would class as a common thing to know. | Jan 13 00:40 |
| MinceR | anyway, if someone follows the link in that twatter message, they'll see the context | Jan 13 00:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | A guess is that is just the tip of the iceburg, what Bing censues, most likely they censue, or will in the future, more stuff related to MS investments, and its largest shareholder | Jan 13 00:40 |
| MinceR | so unless they trust some m$ fanboy blindly or fail reading comprehension, they'll see they've been lied to. | Jan 13 00:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember at first china wanted google to even filter out how other goverment systems worked. | Jan 13 00:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Nice articles on the xbox360's lately Roy | Jan 13 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Everything is shades of grey. Very hard thing for people to get MinceR | Jan 13 00:42 |
| MinceR | some of those shades are very dark | Jan 13 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Will these kids have Linux options? http://www.computing.co.uk/computing/analysis/2255981/home-access-programme-goes | Jan 13 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: thank Xbox for commiting suicide | Jan 13 00:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and some can be lighted by people getting more informed. What google did to get into china market had to be attempted. Since it not working out they need a reason to back out. | Jan 13 00:44 |
| schestowitz | *mitting | Jan 13 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I hope it doesn't die | Jan 13 00:44 |
| schestowitz | We need more products like Xbox | Jan 13 00:44 |
| schestowitz | More, more, more. Zune too | Jan 13 00:44 |
| schestowitz | It kills Microsoft faster, financially | Jan 13 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Remember MinceR information is power. Lack of information makes you powerless to decide your future. | Jan 13 00:45 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: they need more of a reason than that it was censorship? | Jan 13 00:45 |
| MinceR | besides, they could have supported anonymizers instead | Jan 13 00:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=conWebDoc.34030 | Jan 13 00:45 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: There was a possiablely that the censorship could have reduced over time. | Jan 13 00:45 |
| MinceR | yeah, right | Jan 13 00:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | One of your articles, I think said that PS3 had finially overtaken XBox360 in sales even in MS home market the USA, if Walmart in the USA is now giving the XBox360 reduced space, MS is game over | Jan 13 00:46 |
| oiaohm | And it has to a point MinceR | Jan 13 00:46 |
| MinceR | when the chinese regime collapses, it will be reduced | Jan 13 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, chain effect | Jan 13 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Or "downward spiral" as he Vole calls it internally | Jan 13 00:46 |
| oiaohm | Less things are censored in china now than when google first entered that market MinceR | Jan 13 00:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe in 50 years | Jan 13 00:47 |
| schestowitz | GDP growth in China steadily up | Jan 13 00:47 |
| *schestowitz whispers, "learn Mandarin" | Jan 13 00:47 | |
| oiaohm | You have the idea that abblsote force will change things MinceR. | Jan 13 00:47 |
| oiaohm | A river does not make a gorge in 1 hit. | Jan 13 00:48 |
| schestowitz | If China had more access to the 51st state (Iraq), maybe it would have enough power for DCs that compete with GOogle well | Jan 13 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Instead it slowly takes piece by piece way until one day the gorge is them MinceR | Jan 13 00:48 |
| oiaohm | them/there | Jan 13 00:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The problem was not so much that the XBox360 had those high failure rates. The problem was bean counter Ballmer tryed to go the cheapest way possible to get by without fixing the Xbox360. Had he just poured more money into a new XBox360, that did not have the overheating problems, he would have been better of. Sure, it would cost more short term | Jan 13 00:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Replace once with a good new one, rather than replace 8 times with bad ones | Jan 13 00:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it needed a redesign | Jan 13 00:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and then a recall | Jan 13 00:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_apache_foundation_open_source_sponsor.php | Jan 13 00:50 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Open Source: Facebook Is Now an Apache Software Foundation Gold Sponsor .::. Size~: 47.86 KB | Jan 13 00:50 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: this is not a "slippery slope" | Jan 13 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: too late | Jan 13 00:51 |
| MinceR | they might very well stop or make censorship stricter again. | Jan 13 00:51 |
| schestowitz | xbox (1) was also a "Fail" | Jan 13 00:51 |
| schestowitz | They failed 2/2 | Jan 13 00:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Jan 13 00:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | in some ways Xbox360 is a bigger failure than even Vista | Jan 13 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 is no success either | Jan 13 00:52 |
| schestowitz | BUT... | Jan 13 00:52 |
| schestowitz | They didn't expect it to be | Jan 13 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Unlike Vista | Jan 13 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Ahead of the release Microsoft tried to keep hoped down | Jan 13 00:52 |
| schestowitz | *hopes | Jan 13 00:52 |
| schestowitz | You hardly hear about Vista 7 in the news anymore | Jan 13 00:52 |
| schestowitz | It has been just 2 month (plus) | Jan 13 00:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS has to cook the books this next quarter, for Ballmer to survive. MS withheld money on Windows Seven pre-ordered, so that is where they will do some of it | Jan 13 00:53 |
| MinceR | afaik they've been cooking them for some time already | Jan 13 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Taken on a statistical basis, there's close to nothing. So far this year there was maybe that 'fluff' about 'godmode' and then some recycling of old gobshite | Jan 13 00:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, since the 90s at least | Jan 13 00:54 |
| schestowitz | They manages to corrupt the government and escape the SEC | Jan 13 00:54 |
| schestowitz | SEC is a joke | Jan 13 00:54 |
| schestowitz | SEC is having SEX with the companies it watched | Jan 13 00:54 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 13 00:54 |
| schestowitz | SEC..... Madoff | Jan 13 00:54 |
| schestowitz | !google sec madoff | Jan 13 00:55 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - SEC Charges Madoff Computer Programmers; 2009-243; Nov. 13, 2009 | http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2009/2009-243.htm | Jan 13 00:55 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - SEC investigation: We missed Madoff - Sep. 2, 2009 | http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/02/news/economy/Madoff_SEC_investigation/index.htm | Jan 13 00:55 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Madoff whistleblower blasts the SEC's failure - Feb. 4, 2009 | http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/04/news/newsmakers/madoff_whistleblower/ | Jan 13 00:55 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - The SEC Watchdog Who Missed Madoff - New York News | Gossip ... | http://www.nypost.com/seven/01072009/business/the_sec_watchdog_who_missed_madoff_148984.htm | Jan 13 00:55 |
| schestowitz | !google sec microsoft fraud settlement | Jan 13 00:55 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Microsoft Agrees To Refrain From Accounting Violations in SEC ... | http://www.crn.com/it-channel/18819490 | Jan 13 00:55 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Microsoft Agrees to Refrain From Accounting Violations in SEC ... | http://www.crn.com/it-channel/18837959 | Jan 13 00:55 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Charles Pancerzewski and Microsoft Fraud Revisited (Updated ... | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/31/charles-pancerzewski-vs-fraud/ | Jan 13 00:55 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - CompliancEX: E&Y in $8.5m US accounting fraud settlement | http://compliancex.typepad.com/compliancex/2009/12/ey-in-85m-us-accounting-fraud-settlement.html | Jan 13 00:55 |
| schestowitz | !google ballmer criminal | Jan 13 00:55 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Steve Ballmer Should Not be Fired, He Should be Arrested | Boycott ... | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/28/steve-ballmer-accountability/ | Jan 13 00:55 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Making fun of Ballmer | Criminal Defense Law With An Apple | http://lawwithanapple.com/2008/03/08/making-fun-of-balmer/ | Jan 13 00:55 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Those criminal iPods | News Blog - CNET News | http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-5396152-7.html | Jan 13 00:55 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Steve Ballmer hatin' on Google Android « Boy Genius Report | http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/10/03/steve-ballmer-hatin-on-google-android/ | Jan 13 00:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Almost beginning to think its possible for Ballmer to leave this year | Jan 13 00:57 |
| MinceR | that wouldn't change anything | Jan 13 00:57 |
| MinceR | except maybe they'd appoint someone who's less obviously ridiculous | Jan 13 00:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it could get worse if Gates comes back | Jan 13 00:57 |
| MinceR | i guess so | Jan 13 00:58 |
| MinceR | gates didn't make as much a clown out of himself as ballmer | Jan 13 00:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Nothing is 100 percent without risks. Its part of living in the world. | Jan 13 00:58 |
| MinceR | then again, gates coming back might mean he doesn't get to do his new patent-trolling and money-laundering/press-bribing "businesses", or at least not with that much attention | Jan 13 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Problem with black and white approce is that it creates 100 percent stalemates. MinceR | Jan 13 00:59 |
| oiaohm | So no progress is possiable. | Jan 13 00:59 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i don't know whose black and white approach you're talking about | Jan 13 00:59 |
| MinceR | i'll readily tell you anytime that m$ and crApple are both individually more evil than google | Jan 13 00:59 |
| MinceR | that doesn't change the fact that google is evil | Jan 13 01:00 |
| oiaohm | Ie china censors so don't to business with them. That is black and white approce to problem. MinceR | Jan 13 01:00 |
| MinceR | no it's not | Jan 13 01:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you have to look at who is at the helm of these companies | Jan 13 01:00 |
| oiaohm | It is MinceR. | Jan 13 01:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and how much power they have | Jan 13 01:00 |
| oiaohm | Evil is a very simple thing to call anyone MinceR | Jan 13 01:01 |
| MinceR | it's very simple: censorship is evil -> if you don't want to do evil, don't do censorship -> if someone asks your help to do censorship, refuse | Jan 13 01:01 |
| oiaohm | I can make anyone at as evil. | Jan 13 01:01 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: can you? | Jan 13 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Yes. | Jan 13 01:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Scmidth I believe runs google, and seems like the most honest of the bunch | Jan 13 01:01 |
| MinceR | how? | Jan 13 01:01 |
| oiaohm | It all depend on what criteria you use. | Jan 13 01:01 |
| MinceR | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, he's honest about not respecting anyone else's privacy at all | Jan 13 01:01 |
| oiaohm | And hard black and white makes it many times simpler MinceR | Jan 13 01:02 |
| MinceR | that's more honest than google in general | Jan 13 01:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | never said google was perfect, only 100X better than M$ | Jan 13 01:02 |
| MinceR | and on that i agree with you, Chips_B_Malroy | Jan 13 01:02 |
| MinceR | at least for now | Jan 13 01:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | that too | Jan 13 01:03 |
| MinceR | maybe if they start really using all that information they keep collecting on everyone, things will get a lot worse | Jan 13 01:03 |
| oiaohm | Ie censorchip is evil so every goverment world wide is evil. Every company is too MinceR. | Jan 13 01:03 |
| MinceR | and i fear for what will happen then | Jan 13 01:03 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yes and no | Jan 13 01:03 |
| oiaohm | Any ideas how come if I take censorship is evil to it absolute. | Jan 13 01:03 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: censorship is evil. i'm not sure if every government does it. government in general tends to be evil. companies don't have to be evil. | Jan 13 01:04 |
| oiaohm | Even you are evil MinceR because of it. | Jan 13 01:04 |
| MinceR | explain. | Jan 13 01:04 |
| oiaohm | Do you keep secrets or ever have. MinceR | Jan 13 01:04 |
| MinceR | i do | Jan 13 01:04 |
| oiaohm | So you do censor information you provide. | Jan 13 01:04 |
| MinceR | but it seems that you don't quite understand what "censorship" is | Jan 13 01:04 |
| oiaohm | so evil at the absolute. | Jan 13 01:04 |
| MinceR | and what does this have to do with the operation of a search engine? | Jan 13 01:05 |
| oiaohm | Most people don't think of terms in there absolute. | Jan 13 01:05 |
| oiaohm | You are using a shade of grey and not even aware of it. | Jan 13 01:05 |
| MinceR | is information about how the PRC oppresses its residents somehow google's secret? | Jan 13 01:05 |
| MinceR | or perhaps it infringes on someone's privacy? | Jan 13 01:06 |
| oiaohm | Have you not oppressed information about things other people have done wrong. | Jan 13 01:06 |
| oiaohm | So you can get along and do you job. | Jan 13 01:06 |
| MinceR | i'm talking about oppressing _people_, not information | Jan 13 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | [00:57] <Chips_B_Malroy> it could get worse if Gates comes back | Jan 13 01:07 |
| schestowitz | He never left | Jan 13 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Its the same thing MinceR | Jan 13 01:07 |
| MinceR | no, it's not the same thing | Jan 13 01:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Whatever you think about Google and China, surely for whatever reason, this is a step in the right direction by Google and their do no evil policy. | Jan 13 01:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | well | Jan 13 01:07 |
| schestowitz | He's n the campus part time and lobbying the rest of the time | Jan 13 01:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | gates really stepped down years ago | Jan 13 01:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | even if it was just in his head | Jan 13 01:07 |
| MinceR | information has no "human rights" | Jan 13 01:07 |
| oiaohm | You would have yourself subpresssed information to get along with some people. MinceR | Jan 13 01:07 |
| MinceR | people have rights, objects do not. | Jan 13 01:07 |
| oiaohm | There are no thing as human rights. They are something we like to believe exists. MinceR | Jan 13 01:08 |
| MinceR | people should have the right to control their own private information and they should have the right to access information that's necessary to keep their government (if any) honest. | Jan 13 01:08 |
| schestowitz | The Chicago School also wants us to believe corporations have rights | Jan 13 01:08 |
| oiaohm | They have been taken away in every country at a stroke of pen. MinceR | Jan 13 01:08 |
| schestowitz | As though they are organisms with feelings | Jan 13 01:08 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so google is Good(tm) because rights don't exist? | Jan 13 01:08 |
| schestowitz | [01:07] <MinceR> people have rights, objects do not. | Jan 13 01:08 |
| schestowitz | Wait. | Jan 13 01:08 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and why have they been taken away? | Jan 13 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Info is not an object | Jan 13 01:09 |
| schestowitz | [01:07] <MinceR> information has no "human rights" | Jan 13 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | corporations do have rights: they have the right to suck my dick | Jan 13 01:09 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: it isn't a person either. | Jan 13 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | tgats a very important right imo | Jan 13 01:09 |
| schestowitz | It's a failure in a school of thought and policy | Jan 13 01:09 |
| schestowitz | It led to part of the mess | Jan 13 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Another one is "invisible hand" | Jan 13 01:10 |
| schestowitz | It's said JUST ONCE in the book | Jan 13 01:10 |
| MinceR | corporations aren't people and shouldn't be treated as such | Jan 13 01:10 |
| schestowitz | ANd meaning exactly the opposite | Jan 13 01:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you are making arguments with items that don't exist. They just make up your idea of right and wrong. Human rights are a nice way to say. I don't have to think about the effects an see of benifit out weight harm. | Jan 13 01:10 |
| schestowitz | That there is no "invisible" hand, that's just non-existent | Jan 13 01:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | there is an invisible hand | Jan 13 01:10 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so in your world morality, ethics and freedom are nonexistent? | Jan 13 01:10 |
| *Diablo-D3 uses his mind to kill schestowitz | Jan 13 01:10 | |
| oiaohm | So I can act absolutly and be happy with my self in the mirror. MinceR | Jan 13 01:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | invisible hand technique! HURRRGH! | Jan 13 01:11 |
| MinceR | it's easy to make google look good in that imaginary world | Jan 13 01:11 |
| schestowitz | The other day this former Softie told me he believed in self0-regulating markets and all that malarkey | Jan 13 01:11 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i'm sure Mao and his pals are happy with themselves | Jan 13 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: markets _can_ self regulate | Jan 13 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | the problem is, we need an option | Jan 13 01:11 |
| *schestowitz screams, "the hand!" | Jan 13 01:11 | |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i'm sure even Hitler was happy with himself | Jan 13 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, I have ONE TV option | Jan 13 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | just one | Jan 13 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | cant get sat, too many trees | Jan 13 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | no fios, no anything else | Jan 13 01:11 |
| *Tallken has quit ("Leaving") | Jan 13 01:11 | |
| Diablo-D3 | theres no free market here | Jan 13 01:12 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: can't mount the dish on a big-ass tower? :> | Jan 13 01:12 |
| *ThistleWeb has quit ("Lost terminal") | Jan 13 01:12 | |
| Diablo-D3 | if I had a choice, even if it cost more, I'd get rid of twc as fast as possible | Jan 13 01:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: not my property | Jan 13 01:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: so why did they commit mass suicide | Jan 13 01:12 |
| MinceR | oh. | Jan 13 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Stalin-shy? | Jan 13 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Every thing we call morality ethics and freedom. Is about reducing harm to everyone. MinceR But mostly writen a absolute form. and completely usless when you have to deal with real world problems between people. | Jan 13 01:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: otherwise I'd mow down the entire forest while Im at it | Jan 13 01:12 |
| schestowitz | You know, the Germany troops were forced to march shamefully for the Russian crowds | Jan 13 01:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: its about a half of mile of trees in my way | Jan 13 01:12 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: that's new | Jan 13 01:12 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: morality, ethics and freedom being useless in the real world | Jan 13 01:13 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: perhaps because they've been taken from us? | Jan 13 01:13 |
| schestowitz | "real world"(C) | Jan 13 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Jargon warning | Jan 13 01:13 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: do you think that if they've been taken from us once, we won't ever have any of them again? | Jan 13 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Because they don't address the true base. | Jan 13 01:13 |
| MinceR | what's the "true base"? | Jan 13 01:13 |
| schestowitz | 2 | Jan 13 01:13 |
| MinceR | i thought it was something like NaOH | Jan 13 01:14 |
| oiaohm | true base we created morallity ethices and freedom rules to address the same problem. How to get along with each other without killing each other. MinceR | Jan 13 01:14 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: that's only a tiny little part of the problem | Jan 13 01:14 |
| oiaohm | No its the core problem. MinceR | Jan 13 01:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: just ask someone serving a life sentence in prison, whether he has everything in life and is completely free because he survives. | Jan 13 01:15 |
| MinceR | survival isn't everything. | Jan 13 01:15 |
| oiaohm | You can have all the information in the world yet if no one is alive that can read it. It is worthless. MinceR | Jan 13 01:15 |
| MinceR | being in control of one's own life is everything. | Jan 13 01:15 |
| schestowitz | http://alex.dojotoolkit.org/2010/01/view-source-is-good-discuss/ | Jan 13 01:15 |
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| oiaohm | read it and use it. | Jan 13 01:15 |
| oiaohm | Life is the most important thing. MinceR | Jan 13 01:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: if i can't use it anyway, why lock it away from me? | Jan 13 01:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: mere survival can still be an existence full of suffering | Jan 13 01:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: that's not an ideal to strive for. | Jan 13 01:16 |
| oiaohm | What if having that information lead to you being dead. | Jan 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: not really, there's incarnation in the sense of continuation and food chain | Jan 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | Life is not a goal | Jan 13 01:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: getting information on its own can't kill. | Jan 13 01:16 |
| schestowitz | It's a condition | Jan 13 01:16 |
| MinceR | only clams say that getting some information can kill you. :> | Jan 13 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Like bacteria in water | Jan 13 01:17 |
| oiaohm | In the case of china it could be because being found with some things could see you locked up for life. | Jan 13 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Just a lot more sophisticated though | Jan 13 01:17 |
| MinceR | that's not the same thing | Jan 13 01:17 |
| oiaohm | It is the same thing. | Jan 13 01:17 |
| schestowitz | [01:16] <oiaohm> What if having that information lead to you being dead. | Jan 13 01:17 |
| MinceR | that's being locked up for life for having _evidence_ of having found out about something. | Jan 13 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Like e=mc^2? | Jan 13 01:17 |
| oiaohm | While people are alive they can change the future. | Jan 13 01:17 |
| MinceR | not if they don't know the situation they're in | Jan 13 01:18 |
| MinceR | the chinese can't rebel against their government if they don't know they're being oppressed. | Jan 13 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Remember what I said about the river and the gorge. | Jan 13 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Human nature will always over time push for more freedoms. | Jan 13 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Its just the way we are. | Jan 13 01:18 |
| MinceR | also, being locked up for life is, by your own definition, the ultimate good, because you get to survive | Jan 13 01:18 |
| MinceR | and you said that's all that matters | Jan 13 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Being locked up is not life | Jan 13 01:19 |
| MinceR | oh, it isn't? | Jan 13 01:19 |
| MinceR | how so? | Jan 13 01:19 |
| oiaohm | You no longer have any choice over your actions. | Jan 13 01:19 |
| MinceR | you don't get killed | Jan 13 01:19 |
| schestowitz | SOme | Jan 13 01:19 |
| MinceR | 021338 < oiaohm> true base we created morallity ethices and freedom rules to address the same problem. How to get along with each other without killing each other. MinceR | Jan 13 01:19 |
| schestowitz | You can think freely | Jan 13 01:19 |
| MinceR | by this definition, it's solving the core problem | Jan 13 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Maybe have no access to new information, that's all | Jan 13 01:19 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: you can't think freely if you're denied the data you need | Jan 13 01:19 |
| oiaohm | I did not say you had to be killed quicky. | Jan 13 01:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | See here's the thing, most rebellions take place not because of rights, (unless people are really be treated unhumane) but because economic condition are bad, or bad and not improving | Jan 13 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Taking 100 years to kill someone or 5 seconds really makes no difference if the long term result is the same. Person loses the means to change things. MinceR | Jan 13 01:20 |
| MinceR | well, most people probably want to be lead | Jan 13 01:20 |
| MinceR | i don't | Jan 13 01:20 |
| MinceR | s/lead/led/ | Jan 13 01:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | French revolution, let them eat cake | Jan 13 01:20 |
| MinceR | i guess this is what the term "sheeple" is about. | Jan 13 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Did she say it? | Jan 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I think it was an exaggeration | Jan 13 01:21 |
| tessier | Wow | Jan 13 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Or fable | Jan 13 01:21 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: if they die of natural reasons then you didn't kill them. | Jan 13 01:21 |
| tessier | Have you guys seen http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html ? | Jan 13 01:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Official Google Blog: A new approach to China .::. Size~: 83.95 KB | Jan 13 01:21 |
| MinceR | tessier: we're discussing it :) | Jan 13 01:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Marie Antionette | Jan 13 01:21 |
| tessier | Some awesome cloak and dagger going on between China and Google. | Jan 13 01:21 |
| MinceR | even if we're on a tangent already | Jan 13 01:21 |
| tessier | ah. Couldn't tell. | Jan 13 01:21 |
| oiaohm | Basically you impresion them because you are too coward to kill them for disagreeing with you. MinceR | Jan 13 01:21 |
| tessier | Thought you were discussing baking or something. :) | Jan 13 01:21 |
| MinceR | tessier: 013325 < MinceR> google is now doing the right thing about google.cn but for the wrong reason. | Jan 13 01:21 |
| oiaohm | Its basically a way of avoiding fall out from doing wrong actions. MinceR | Jan 13 01:22 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: locking up someone for life is not killing, it's taking their _freedom_ | Jan 13 01:22 |
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| MinceR | which is exactly what i'm talking about | Jan 13 01:22 |
| MinceR | they survive but they no longer have control over their own life | Jan 13 01:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | life imprisionment can be worse than death in some places | Jan 13 01:22 |
| MinceR | a life of slavery is roughly the same thing | Jan 13 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Remember even prisoners and slaves have managed to make differences to history and improve things. MinceR. | Jan 13 01:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | now if they give you cable tv, and free medical? | Jan 13 01:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | lol | Jan 13 01:23 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: but have oppressors managed to do so? | Jan 13 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Of course not all MinceR. | Jan 13 01:24 |
| oiaohm | oppressors always disappear in time. MinceR | Jan 13 01:24 |
| MinceR | google was never in the position of the prisoner or the slave. | Jan 13 01:24 |
| MinceR | they don't disappear on their own | Jan 13 01:24 |
| MinceR | they need to be overcome | Jan 13 01:24 |
| MinceR | either by the people they're oppressing or external forces | Jan 13 01:24 |
| oiaohm | some are overcome quickly some are overcome slowly. | Jan 13 01:24 |
| MinceR | or they make mistakes, but you can't count on that | Jan 13 01:25 |
| MinceR | s/mis/fatal mis/ | Jan 13 01:25 |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-google-says-it-will-review-feasibility-of-operations-in-china/ | Jan 13 01:26 |
| schestowitz | But wait. | Jan 13 01:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google May Shut Down Operations In China| paidContent .::. Size~: 28.04 KB | Jan 13 01:26 |
| schestowitz | The US does the same and the UK too | Jan 13 01:26 |
| schestowitz | To a degree........ | Jan 13 01:26 |
| oiaohm | One of the best methods to defeat is Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi design. | Jan 13 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Surveillance is not a Chinese problem | Jan 13 01:26 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: which is? | Jan 13 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Some of the changes in china follow that design. | Jan 13 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Imprisonmentis | Jan 13 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html | Jan 13 01:26 |
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| Diablo-D3 | is epic. | Jan 13 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Don't use force. Just don't work where the problems are by the local people. So leading to change. | Jan 13 01:27 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: what | Jan 13 01:27 |
| oiaohm | People fail to see in the down turn recently. There have been protests in china with no crushing force applied. | Jan 13 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: maybe part of sanctions against China | Jan 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | ACTA++ | Jan 13 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Things have changed MinceR. | Jan 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | The West owes a lot of money to China | Jan 13 01:28 |
| schestowitz | They depend on trade | Jan 13 01:28 |
| tessier | oppressors always disappear in time but not necessarily your lifetime | Jan 13 01:28 |
| tessier | And I'm not sure even that is true. | Jan 13 01:29 |
| tessier | Looking at the history of the world they tend to be replaced by other oppressors. | Jan 13 01:29 |
| MinceR | well said. | Jan 13 01:29 |
| tessier | Who really had meaningful freedom before the advent of democracy these past few hundred years? | Jan 13 01:29 |
| MinceR | rulers | Jan 13 01:29 |
| tessier | Right, just the guy on top. Which is practically nobody. | Jan 13 01:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] twiddled grub to at least get windows partition booting. tomorrow: debian floppies and grub reinstall. >_< all software sucks. | Jan 13 01:29 | |
| oiaohm | Really look at most democacys moderday they don't run fare either. | Jan 13 01:30 |
| MinceR | and it's still pretty much that way | Jan 13 01:30 |
| oiaohm | fair eitehr. | Jan 13 01:30 |
| tessier | nah | Jan 13 01:30 |
| tessier | We have it far better off than pretty much any generation in the history of the world. | Jan 13 01:30 |
| oiaohm | some of the historic democaries worked. | Jan 13 01:30 |
| MinceR | a few guys on the top are free, the rest aren't | Jan 13 01:30 |
| MinceR | but there are some minor improvements | Jan 13 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Like the athens systems. Ok women were not allowed to voite | Jan 13 01:30 |
| oiaohm | So not ideal. | Jan 13 01:30 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: they also had slaves, didn't they? | Jan 13 01:31 |
| oiaohm | But everyone in the city had the right to decide on everything to be done. | Jan 13 01:31 |
| oiaohm | Slaves were not Slaves for life. MinceR | Jan 13 01:31 |
| oiaohm | They did not have apprentences back then either. MinceR | Jan 13 01:31 |
| oiaohm | Ie person would be a Slave learn a skill and in time take over the business or start own. | Jan 13 01:32 |
| MinceR | i'm no historian but i suspect that ancient greece was less rosy than it is usually pictured. | Jan 13 01:32 |
| oiaohm | No point in history is 100 percent rosy. | Jan 13 01:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] http://xkcd.com/349/ - it's so true. | Jan 13 01:33 | |
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| tessier | Look at how long the ancient Greek lived. | Jan 13 01:33 |
| tessier | They lived hard and short lives. | Jan 13 01:33 |
| oiaohm | Lot of war. | Jan 13 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Alexander the Great died before30 IIRC | Jan 13 01:34 |
| MinceR | he was Macedonian, wasn't he? :> | Jan 13 01:34 |
| schestowitz | WFT? BBC Maggie Shills... Ron Jeremy says violent video games 'worse' than porn http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8453043.stm http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/maggieshiels/2010/01/evils_of_the_internet_by_porn.html | Jan 13 01:34 |
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| oiaohm | The olpomics was about the only time you could be sure greece would be at peace in the ancient times. | Jan 13 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: ys | Jan 13 01:34 |
| schestowitz | *yes | Jan 13 01:34 |
| schestowitz | But borders were not the same back then | Jan 13 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Hungry-Austria... | Jan 13 01:35 |
| schestowitz | *gary | Jan 13 01:35 |
| MinceR | i don't think Austria was ever hungry ;) | Jan 13 01:35 |
| schestowitz | They swallowed a neighbour | Jan 13 01:35 |
| MinceR | hungry for Hungary, perhaps | Jan 13 01:35 |
| MinceR | yeah | Jan 13 01:35 |
| oiaohm | Every point in history us humans love to think of ourselves better than the past before us. | Jan 13 01:35 |
| MinceR | they did chew first, though | Jan 13 01:35 |
| oiaohm | Even if its not true. | Jan 13 01:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] what bit me: hardy->karmic is grub->grub2. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA | Jan 13 01:35 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: did you see then film I linked to 2 days ago? | Jan 13 01:36 |
| MinceR | i did | Jan 13 01:36 |
| MinceR | it was a good film | Jan 13 01:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4xzNJ1ThcE&feature=related | Jan 13 01:36 |
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| oiaohm | Heck so of the slaves of achinent times are better off than some of the workforces around the world today. | Jan 13 01:37 |
| MinceR | that film also shows how much Jesusland can really be trusted to "export" "democracy". | Jan 13 01:37 |
| MinceR | the events of 1956. | Jan 13 01:37 |
| oiaohm | For the simple reason if a slave was sick the owner was responsable to get it cured. | Jan 13 01:37 |
| schestowitz | http://infoworld.com/d/security-central/group-behind-twitter-hack-takes-down-baidu-search-engine-383 | Jan 13 01:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Group behind Twitter hack takes down Baidu search engine | Security Central - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 75.94 KB | Jan 13 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe nothing will be left for China searchers then | Jan 13 01:37 |
| oiaohm | These days our equal to slaves get money and if what they have been doing harms them they are on there own. | Jan 13 01:38 |
| oiaohm | So much for a world that has moved forwards. | Jan 13 01:39 |
| MinceR | i forgot to mention a sinister aspect of google collecting so much data on everyone: even if they don't ever decide to use it for evil ends, at least the usian government, but possibly other governments too can access it anyway and use it against people. | Jan 13 01:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: think bigger | Jan 13 01:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | google will become the world government | Jan 13 01:49 |
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| MinceR | or part of it | Jan 13 01:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, it will be it | Jan 13 01:50 |
| MinceR | but i can't really condemn publicly for what i think they will do, so i had to focus on what they've done and what they're doing already | Jan 13 01:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | and what they've done has largely been positive | Jan 13 01:51 |
| MinceR | s/demn/& them/ | Jan 13 01:51 |
| MinceR | it's largely neutral | Jan 13 01:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | its largely positive imo | Jan 13 01:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | the internet would be utterely useless without their efforts imo | Jan 13 01:51 |
| MinceR | there are some very evil bits and fewer good bits | Jan 13 01:51 |
| yuhong | If the Chinese government really is so desperate as to be hacking Google servers, it will say a lot about them: | Jan 13 01:51 |
| yuhong | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-china.html | Jan 13 01:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Official Google Blog: A new approach to China .::. Size~: 83.95 KB | Jan 13 01:51 |
| MinceR | and this is coming from a company who advertises them with the "do no evil" slogan | Jan 13 01:51 |
| MinceR | and i think that's unacceptable | Jan 13 01:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: theres very few truely evil bits | Jan 13 01:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | and even then, you have to ask who they did the evil to | Jan 13 01:52 |
| MinceR | they've also recently lectured the chinese on freedom of speech, which given their history of cooperation with them on censorship, is rich | Jan 13 01:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: wrong | Jan 13 01:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | I actually will back google up here | Jan 13 01:52 |
| yuhong | But ff the Chinese government really is so desperate as to be hacking Google servers, it will say a lot about them: | Jan 13 01:52 |
| MinceR | then you'll be wrong along with them | Jan 13 01:52 |
| MinceR | also, you're invited to read the discussion on this topic above. | Jan 13 01:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | google participated in china to further democracy in china | Jan 13 01:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | if this means they had to participate in the great firewall of china, then so be it | Jan 13 01:53 |
| MinceR | i don't see how doing censorship for them is "furthering democracy" | Jan 13 01:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | the firewall is not google's evil, its china's | Jan 13 01:53 |
| MinceR | maybe it's the usian definition of "furthering democracy", which really means "extracting profits" | Jan 13 01:53 |
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| Diablo-D3 | google is now so important to the chinese people that if google starts giving the chinese government the finger, so will the chinese people follow suite. | Jan 13 01:53 |
| MinceR | it's also google's if they take part in doing it, which they do | Jan 13 01:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: google does not care about profits | Jan 13 01:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | they seriously dont | Jan 13 01:54 |
| yuhong | Yep, look at the IPO for a clue. | Jan 13 01:54 |
| MinceR | and no, the internet would not be utterly useless without their efforts | Jan 13 01:54 |
| MinceR | they weren't the only search service | Jan 13 01:54 |
| MinceR | and they still aren't | Jan 13 01:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're the only good one | Jan 13 01:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, I'd like google to open source their search engine and run it as a distributed system | Jan 13 01:54 |
| MinceR | that's even more wrong than your previous statements | Jan 13 01:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | but I dont see that happening | Jan 13 01:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | bing and yahoo are useless, MinceR | Jan 13 01:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | whos left? | Jan 13 01:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | there isnt anyone. | Jan 13 01:55 |
| MinceR | there are only tiny players left | Jan 13 01:55 |
| MinceR | back when google appeared, this wasn't the case | Jan 13 01:55 |
| yuhong | And the damage of the hacking is more than just money. | Jan 13 01:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont hack google | Jan 13 01:55 |
| MinceR | were it not for google, there would be at least one other in their place | Jan 13 01:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously, its a very bad idea | Jan 13 01:55 |
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| MinceR | yeah, don't hack google | Jan 13 01:55 |
| MinceR | be the government and ask them for a favor. | Jan 13 01:55 |
| Jose_X | http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Google-to-end-China-apf-149991216.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode= | Jan 13 01:56 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google to end China censorship after e-mail breach - Yahoo! Finance .::. Size~: 90.71 KB | Jan 13 01:56 |
| yuhong | And if the Chinese government really is so desperate as to be hacking Google servers, it will say a lot about them: | Jan 13 01:56 |
| MinceR | it's more likely to succeed and a lot cheaper. | Jan 13 01:56 |
| Jose_X | >> Google Inc. will stop censoring its search results in China and may pull out of the country completely after discovering that computers hackers had tricked human rights activists into opening their e-mail accounts to outsiders. | Jan 13 01:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | Jose_X: this is what we're talking about | Jan 13 01:56 |
| Jose_X | I see this is old news | Jan 13 01:56 |
| Jose_X | :-) | Jan 13 01:56 |
| MinceR | also, read the privacy policy. :> | Jan 13 01:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | google pulling out china is part of their orchestrated effort to change china | Jan 13 01:56 |
| MinceR | strange | Jan 13 01:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | they went in, became indepensible, then left | Jan 13 01:56 |
| MinceR | helping a totalitarian regime do censorship and stopping doing so is Good(tm) now? | Jan 13 01:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: yes when the outcome is extremely useful. | Jan 13 01:57 |
| MinceR | i guess i should go torture some innocent people, stop doing so and proclaim myself savior. | Jan 13 01:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | this will likely lead to more companies leaving china | Jan 13 01:57 |
| yuhong | AFRIK a big competitor to Google in China is Baidu. | Jan 13 01:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | china will be forced to change | Jan 13 01:57 |
| MinceR | fat chance. | Jan 13 01:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: why do that? | Jan 13 01:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | china changing is a good thing | Jan 13 01:58 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: it's the same pattern | Jan 13 01:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | if google can cause it to happen, I'd be a great thing | Jan 13 01:58 |
| MinceR | "doing Good(tm)" by doing evil and stopping | Jan 13 01:58 |
| MinceR | it's nonsense. | Jan 13 01:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: not at all | Jan 13 01:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | you'd suck at chess, for example. | Jan 13 01:58 |
| MinceR | every human being sucks at chess | Jan 13 01:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | google only needs one human who doesnt suck at chess. | Jan 13 01:58 |
| MinceR | supercomputers beat all of us | Jan 13 01:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | google is, essentially, playing chess | Jan 13 01:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | this whole thing was a feint | Jan 13 01:59 |
| MinceR | no they aren't | Jan 13 01:59 |
| yuhong | But if the Chinese government really is so desperate as to be hacking Google servers, it will say a lot about them: | Jan 13 01:59 |
| MinceR | they're "playing" business while saying they're Doing Good(tm) | Jan 13 01:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | they gave up a couple pawns for a chance to topple china's power pieces | Jan 13 01:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | if they're successful, then they did good | Jan 13 01:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | if they're not, then they did neutral. | Jan 13 01:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: its not the _what_ you did that matters, its the _why_. | Jan 13 01:59 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: get real, they won't weaken the regime in china at all | Jan 13 02:00 |
| MinceR | they just were on board for a ride for a while | Jan 13 02:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have to give points to google for trying, even if it doesnt work. | Jan 13 02:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | internally, the chinese government is a mess | Jan 13 02:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not a unified force to keep the people down | Jan 13 02:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a sham built on decades of corruption | Jan 13 02:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | it may just take a strong enough breeze to topple it. | Jan 13 02:01 |
| MinceR | and google going back and forth will topple that... not. | Jan 13 02:01 |
| Jose_X | i think this adds pressure. china depends on world for economic prosperity | Jan 13 02:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | google became an important brick for that sham.... and then was suddenly gone. | Jan 13 02:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: ever play jenga? | Jan 13 02:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | same thing. | Jan 13 02:01 |
| MinceR | they never were an important brick. ever heard of Baidu? | Jan 13 02:02 |
| Jose_X | if they can't handle google, it will speak badly for them | Jan 13 02:02 |
| yuhong | Yea, I just mention it. | Jan 13 02:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one on the outside world has heard of baidu | Jan 13 02:02 |
| MinceR | no one needs to | Jan 13 02:02 |
| yuhong | Yea, I mentioned it. | Jan 13 02:02 |
| Jose_X | google is a huge brand | Jan 13 02:02 |
| MinceR | it's used inside china, which is what we're discussing | Jan 13 02:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you're not a global leader in your field, you're no one. | Jan 13 02:02 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Jan 13 02:02 |
| Jose_X | the key point is google not being able to do business there | Jan 13 02:02 |
| MinceR | not in a closed environment like the PRC. | Jan 13 02:02 |
| Jose_X | baidu can do search but they don't buy cars or trinkets | Jan 13 02:02 |
| MinceR | if local brands are big in there, that's all that matters. | Jan 13 02:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | Having Google leave your country will have large reaching effects to your internal economy | Jan 13 02:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | Especially if others follow | Jan 13 02:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | No one will want to be left holding the bag | Jan 13 02:03 |
| Jose_X | it's not about Chinese having access to search or not | Jan 13 02:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | Google is _extremely_ good at these kind of games | Jan 13 02:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | You cant play against Google and win | Jan 13 02:04 |
| MinceR | when did they pull such a game off successfully? | Jan 13 02:04 |
| Jose_X | it's about China needing to play by certain norms or else they pay a price economically | Jan 13 02:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: they toppled the yahoo empire | Jan 13 02:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | they toppled the hotmail empire | Jan 13 02:04 |
| Jose_X | google is simply adding to the evidence | Jan 13 02:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | they toppled empires that didnt even exist yet | Jan 13 02:04 |
| yuhong | I still use Hotmail, in case you didn't notice. | Jan 13 02:04 |
| MinceR | you can't topple an empire that didn't exist yet | Jan 13 02:04 |
| Jose_X | it's not a small person here or there but a huge multinational | Jan 13 02:04 |
| yuhong | But, Yahoo, yes I know. | Jan 13 02:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: you actually can | Jan 13 02:05 |
| MinceR | much less can you take credit for it | Jan 13 02:05 |
| MinceR | and yahoo never had the right idea to begin with | Jan 13 02:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | news reading didnt really take off until google reader, for example | Jan 13 02:05 |
| MinceR | they kept trying to be a portal | Jan 13 02:05 |
| MinceR | they didn't know what they wanted to do (and they still don't know) | Jan 13 02:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | Google knew what they had to do, and they did it better, faster, and cheaper (ie, free). | Jan 13 02:05 |
| yuhong | And one of the better huge multinationals. | Jan 13 02:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | And now, we have Google Global Politics. | Jan 13 02:06 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure about hotmail, after all it's just webmail, an inferior alternative to IMAP. | Jan 13 02:06 |
| MinceR | and google reader is just an inferior alternative to a real feed reader. | Jan 13 02:06 |
| Jose_X | google sets an example that other companies that support freedom will be pressured to follow | Jan 13 02:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | The next step on Google's agenda. | Jan 13 02:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | Jose_X: I said this | Jan 13 02:06 |
| Jose_X | .. to some degree | Jan 13 02:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR disagrees | Jan 13 02:06 |
| Jose_X | yes about companies following google | Jan 13 02:06 |
| MinceR | what google does is hardly "supporting freedom" | Jan 13 02:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | Google supports Net Neutrality, for example. | Jan 13 02:07 |
| Jose_X | boycotting? | Jan 13 02:07 |
| Jose_X | MinceR | Jan 13 02:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: as I said earlier, Google entering China was a feint | Jan 13 02:07 |
| Jose_X | >> "Google has taken a bold and difficult step for Internet freedom in support of fundamental human rights," said Leslie Harris, president of the Center for Democracy & Technology, a civil-liberties group in Washington. "No company should be forced to operate under government threat to its core values or to the rights and safety of its users." | Jan 13 02:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | They entered China fully knowing they would pull out a year later | Jan 13 02:07 |
| MinceR | Jose_X: can't really | Jan 13 02:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | It was all part of their plan to light a fire under China's ass | Jan 13 02:08 |
| yuhong | Really? | Jan 13 02:08 |
| MinceR | Jose_X: their competitors in web search have either died or are just as bad as them (bingo) | Jan 13 02:08 |
| MinceR | or are really tiny | Jan 13 02:08 |
| MinceR | (and can hardly keep up) | Jan 13 02:08 |
| yuhong | Yep, I know. | Jan 13 02:08 |
| MinceR | i wanted to switch to local metasearch, but didn't have the time to give it a try yet. | Jan 13 02:09 |
| Jose_X | well, depending on what follows, google's brand can really gain from this | Jan 13 02:09 |
| MinceR | well, i've tried one app but it wasn't good | Jan 13 02:09 |
| MinceR | google supports net neutrality because it's advantageous to them | Jan 13 02:10 |
| MinceR | which is, of course, fortunate | Jan 13 02:10 |
| MinceR | but not necessarily proof that they're doing it for good | Jan 13 02:10 |
| Jose_X | MinceR, google is the top search+X brand internationally (or narrow it down to the US). this creates pressure for others to follow and "do the right thing" | Jan 13 02:11 |
| MinceR | does "do the right thing" include "hoard information about everyone that governments can ask from you"? | Jan 13 02:11 |
| Jose_X | china, though independent in many ways, would be pressured to adjust policy | Jan 13 02:11 |
| MinceR | does it include "help out with censorship as long as it's profitable"? | Jan 13 02:11 |
| MinceR | they've never adjusted policy to anything, have they? | Jan 13 02:12 |
| Jose_X | Everyone in that business has to reveal information, though google does capture quite a bit | Jan 13 02:12 |
| MinceR | they can exert pressure, so they do that | Jan 13 02:12 |
| Jose_X | microsoft has access to everything done by you if you use Windows.. Everything | Jan 13 02:12 |
| MinceR | sometimes they play a little game to deceive outsiders | Jan 13 02:12 |
| MinceR | m$ is a lot worse than google, but that doesn't make google good | Jan 13 02:12 |
| Jose_X | Every url and page that google knows about first went through Microsoft's grip if Windows was used | Jan 13 02:13 |
| Jose_X | How many other companies (eg, in search) have done this in China? | Jan 13 02:14 |
| MinceR | "this" being? | Jan 13 02:14 |
| Jose_X | I'm sure if Google is not profitable, neither would many others | Jan 13 02:14 |
| Jose_X | state they are pulling out for ... let me quote them again: "Google has taken a bold and difficult step for Internet freedom in support of fundamental human rights," said Leslie Harris, president of the Center for Democracy & Technology, a civil-liberties group in Washington. "No company should be forced to operate under government threat to its core values or to the rights and safety of its users." | Jan 13 02:15 |
| Jose_X | actually Leslie Harris is the one quoted | Jan 13 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://torrentfreak.com/french-3-strikes-group-unveils-copyright-infringing-logo-100112/ | Jan 13 02:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: French 3 Strikes Group Unveils Copyright Infringing Logo | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 62.4 KB | Jan 13 02:15 |
| MinceR | what did he say this about, helping the PRC out with censorship or pulling out of it? | Jan 13 02:16 |
| MinceR | ironic, just like the b$a incident in hungary | Jan 13 02:17 |
| MinceR | referring to the hadopi link | Jan 13 02:17 |
| MinceR | (in one of its ad/racket campaigns, b$a reproduced text from a hungarian law database including interpretations, the latter being owned by a hungarian company, without properly licensing it) | Jan 13 02:19 |
| yuhong | Jose_X： MS's software grip, do you mean? | Jan 13 02:20 |
| Jose_X | yuhong, what do you mean? | Jan 13 02:21 |
| Jose_X | hadopi link was great | Jan 13 02:21 |
| yuhong | Is it really that MS would get access or it's software? | Jan 13 02:21 |
| yuhong | Is it really that MS would get access or do you mean it's software? | Jan 13 02:22 |
| Jose_X | :-) | Jan 13 02:22 |
| MinceR | Jose_X: what did Leslie Harris say this about, helping the PRC out with censorship or pulling out of it? | Jan 13 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://torrentfreak.com/six-ways-file-sharers-will-neutralize-3-strikes-100102/ | Jan 13 02:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Six Ways File-Sharers Will Neutralize 3 Strikes | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 109.57 KB | Jan 13 02:22 |
| yuhong | I hasn't seen much evidence to suggest the former. | Jan 13 02:22 |
| yuhong | I have no doubt that MS is much worse than Google, but... | Jan 13 02:22 |
| Jose_X | MinceR, are you quizing me or do you want to know.. i quoted from the link I gave earlier. i didn't know much about this until minutes ago | Jan 13 02:22 |
| MinceR | i want to know | Jan 13 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | I should really buy a Rapidshare account | Jan 13 02:23 |
| MinceR | but i'll take another look at the article then | Jan 13 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | I use it about often enough | Jan 13 02:23 |
| Jose_X | yuhong, msware is swiss cheese and the ones with the keys work in Redmond. you talk to them. | Jan 13 02:23 |
| Jose_X | i don't trust them. | Jan 13 02:23 |
| Jose_X | . | Jan 13 02:23 |
| Jose_X | period | Jan 13 02:23 |
| MinceR | Jose_X: i just assumed your link pointed to the same google blog post or a copy of it. | Jan 13 02:23 |
| Jose_X | ap story | Jan 13 02:24 |
| MinceR | now that i know the context, i can say that i don't agree with Leslie Harris | Jan 13 02:24 |
| yuhong | Jose_X: What do you mean by "swiss cheese" | Jan 13 02:24 |
| MinceR | stopping collaboration with a government after being attacked by that government isn't necessarily a "step for Internet freedom in support of fundamental human rights" | Jan 13 02:24 |
| Jose_X | vulnerabilities exploitable by source out in the cloud | Jan 13 02:25 |
| MinceR | let's not ascribe to altruism what can be ascribed to self-interest. | Jan 13 02:25 |
| yuhong | Jose_X: Really? | Jan 13 02:25 |
| yuhong | Jose_X: I have no doubt that MS is much worse than Google, but... | Jan 13 02:25 |
| Jose_X | MinceR, i'm not here to make an angel out of google | Jan 13 02:25 |
| Jose_X | but i like what just happened | Jan 13 02:25 |
| yuhong | Jose_X: Google is indeed not perfect. | Jan 13 02:26 |
| Jose_X | google could have reacted differently | Jan 13 02:26 |
| oiaohm | Its very rare that people don't act for the own self interest. MinceR | Jan 13 02:26 |
| MinceR | i like it too, but i don't think it makes google less sinister. | Jan 13 02:26 |
| yuhong | Google is indeed not perfect, but MS is much worse. | Jan 13 02:26 |
| Jose_X | if they are being attacked by the gov, it means they weren't revealing something to the gov | Jan 13 02:26 |
| MinceR | perhaps the government didn't ask. | Jan 13 02:26 |
| MinceR | they might well be a bunch of idiots. | Jan 13 02:26 |
| oiaohm | Google alway refused access to contents of accounts MinceR | Jan 13 02:27 |
| MinceR | (iirc the privacy policy says they'll respond to inquiries from authorities liberally) | Jan 13 02:27 |
| oiaohm | And china was caught cracking into them. | Jan 13 02:27 |
| yuhong | Yep, do you know what Yahoo did when they were requested by the Chinese government? | Jan 13 02:27 |
| Jose_X | this may turn out to be not much.. we'll have to see what happens next | Jan 13 02:27 |
| yuhong | And if the Chinese government really is so desperate as to be hacking Google servers, it will say a lot about them. | Jan 13 02:28 |
| Jose_X | is it clear that the gov truly is behind the attacks? | Jan 13 02:28 |
| yuhong | Not yet, but... | Jan 13 02:28 |
| oiaohm | If a valid request for information can be presented MinceR. In accondance with were the data is stored. MinceR | Jan 13 02:28 |
| oiaohm | Yes read it carefully. MinceR. | Jan 13 02:28 |
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| MinceR | http://www.google.com/privacypolicy.html | Jan 13 02:30 |
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| MinceR | "Google only shares personal information with other companies or individuals outside of Google in the following limited circumstances:"... | Jan 13 02:30 |
| MinceR | "We have a good faith belief that access, use, preservation or disclosure of such information is reasonably necessary to (a) satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request, (b) enforce applicable Terms of Service, including investigation of potential violations thereof, (c) detect, prevent, or otherwise address fraud, security or technical issues, or (d) protect against harm to the rights, property or | Jan 13 02:30 |
| MinceR | this includes both a blanket statement regarding governmental requests and in general. | Jan 13 02:30 |
| MinceR | it might be common practice and it might be in good faith, but i still consider this privacy policy useless. | Jan 13 02:31 |
| Jose_X | yuhong left, but i'll say this for the log.. | Jan 13 02:31 |
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| MinceR | this kind of language can be twisted to justify revealing private data to anybody. | Jan 13 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | Woohoo, jackpot! | Jan 13 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 13 02:32 |
| Jose_X | software as extensive and capable as is an OS can easily find a way to download some code (perhaps prompted from outside) | Jan 13 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | I just found what I was looking for after 3 years of searching | Jan 13 02:32 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: ? | Jan 13 02:32 |
| Jose_X | use that code to do a few things, including sending out some encrypted information. | Jan 13 02:32 |
| Jose_X | and then delete itself. | Jan 13 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Some FLAC albums that I was looking for that aren't posted anywhere | Jan 13 02:33 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 13 02:33 |
| Jose_X | it would be almost impossible to catch this unless you were somehow recording the entire state of the hardware at all times and had time to go back and analyze it | Jan 13 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | I found one of them, but whoever ripped it had a bad disc drive | Jan 13 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | was cutting out and skipping and scratching | Jan 13 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | Rapidshare is not my preferred place to download, cause of the wait | Jan 13 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | but I'll bookmark the link and keep grabbing chunks of it if needs be | Jan 13 02:34 |
| MinceR | Jose_X: windows doesn't really need to try hard to find such a way -- windows update can be made to do this and iirc m$ has given themselves a blanket allowance to do this sort of thing with relation to DRM in any case, independently of windows update | Jan 13 02:35 |
| Jose_X | perseverance pays off! | Jan 13 02:35 |
| MinceR | they can download any code to a winblows machine and run it and justify it via the EULA. | Jan 13 02:35 |
| Jose_X | yes, there is a formal set of loopholes to allow this sort of encrypted conversation | Jan 13 02:35 |
| MinceR | this is part of why nobody should use winblows, for their own good | Jan 13 02:35 |
| Jose_X | the delete code part and prompt by external agent was thrown in to show the barriers that can exist even if you try to reverse parts of the code as it exists in memory for example | Jan 13 02:36 |
| MinceR | and now it's really late so it's time for me to go. we should have started this conversation much earlier. :) | Jan 13 02:36 |
| MinceR | gn | Jan 13 02:36 |
| oiaohm | applicable is the key word MinceR | Jan 13 02:36 |
| Jose_X | gn | Jan 13 02:37 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: "applicable" only applies to "law" | Jan 13 02:37 |
| MinceR | and they can have a "good faith belief" that some particular article of "law" was "applicable" even if there was no "governmental request" | Jan 13 02:37 |
| MinceR | etc. | Jan 13 02:37 |
| Jose_X | i'll be leaving soon as well (the gn was to MinceR.. I'm not "hip" with chatting so forgive me if I sound confusing at times) | Jan 13 02:37 |
| oiaohm | Way that is writen legally it applicable can be taken as applying to the complete list MinceR. | Jan 13 02:38 |
| oiaohm | ie law regulation legal process... | Jan 13 02:38 |
| oiaohm | That is by legal documentation written conversions MinceR. | Jan 13 02:38 |
| Jose_X | MinceR, I essentially don't trust privacy policies as most have many loopholes because of their lack of specificity | Jan 13 02:38 |
| oiaohm | the most libriaral interpt has to be accept. | Jan 13 02:38 |
| Jose_X | precision, etc. | Jan 13 02:38 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: also consider "We have a good faith belief that access, use, preservation or disclosure of such information is reasonably necessary to [...] protect against harm to the [...] property [...] of Google", etc. | Jan 13 02:39 |
| MinceR | remember that "property" can also mean "money" | Jan 13 02:39 |
| MinceR | remember that "lost profit" is lost "money" | Jan 13 02:40 |
| oiaohm | Some are there to protect servers from DDOS and the like MinceR | Jan 13 02:40 |
| oiaohm | You should try writing a valid one that keeps you on the right side of the law and enabled to protect you hardware. | Jan 13 02:41 |
| oiaohm | Its not simple. | Jan 13 02:41 |
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| Jose_X | later, people.. i'm going | Jan 13 02:43 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: You didn't pay me $1,000, therefore I lost $1,000 because you stole it for me | Jan 13 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | that's the RIAA's twisted logic | Jan 13 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft's too | Jan 13 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | *from | Jan 13 03:31 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] On the way to #wikiwars | Jan 13 04:02 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=116015§ionid=351020101 | Jan 13 04:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 'Iran will find assassins who killed nuclear scientist' .::. Size~: 39.69 KB | Jan 13 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | "The Iranian Foreign Ministry said on Tuesday that Iran has found traces of US and Israeli involvement in the assassination of Massoud Ali-Mohammadi." | Jan 13 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | Translation: "We have no idea who did it, would prefer not to admit it was an internal problem, and so we'll blame the US and Israel" | Jan 13 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | They totally discount how many of their own people hate their government. | Jan 13 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | but dictatorships usually do | Jan 13 04:49 |
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| DaemonFC | http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm | Jan 13 04:54 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Bushisms - Funny George Bush Quotes Updated Frequently .::. Size~: 44.44 KB | Jan 13 04:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @schestowitz yeah, man. I saw that. Thanks. :-) | Jan 13 05:04 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't really know how many people see the irony in using a Microsoft antivirus program, from the same company that leaves vulnerabilities unpatched for 10 years and 4 versions of Windows | Jan 13 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | (and probably longer than that, but since Windows NT 4 is unsupported, we'll never know) | Jan 13 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | I do know there have been bugs affecting Vista, XP, and 2000 that Microsoft refused to fix in NT 4 even though they were confirmed there too | Jan 13 05:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @thewikipedian: I've heard of "greenwashing" & more recently, "localwashing" but @sunil_abraham offers a new one: "openwashing" #wikiwars | Jan 13 05:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @hfordsa: 'Wikipedia is an active site of resistance' talking about CriticalPOV rather than NeutralPOV Nupoor Rawal & Srikiet #wikiwars | Jan 13 05:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @wirefire: http://www.indiankanoon.org/search/?formInput=wikipedia how often does Indian law refer to wikipedia? Shocking #wikiwars | Jan 13 06:07 | |
| cubezzz | don't use NT | Jan 13 06:14 |
| cubezzz | also don't use doze :) | Jan 13 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: This might sound a bit n00bish | Jan 13 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | Do you know of any decent shelf systems that support Vorbis? | Jan 13 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe just one that I can dock my Sansa on and charge it, hook it up through an auxiliary cable? | Jan 13 06:24 |
| cubezzz | ummm yes but it's bit expensive | Jan 13 06:25 |
| cubezzz | Sonos Z120 Zone Player Shelf System | Jan 13 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | come to think of it, how do those damned things work? I see them advertising a hypePod dock | Jan 13 06:25 |
| cubezzz | I'm not really recommending it, but it does what you want | Jan 13 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | why are you not recommending it? | Jan 13 06:25 |
| cubezzz | I have no first hand experience with it | Jan 13 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | and it's $500 | Jan 13 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 06:26 |
| cubezzz | yes | Jan 13 06:26 |
| cubezzz | I have a recent set of Sony headphones and several computers | Jan 13 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | if you've got an ipod, everyone makes a shelf system that can dock with it | Jan 13 06:26 |
| cubezzz | that with mplayer covers my music wants | Jan 13 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | you even see them at the dollar stores | Jan 13 06:27 |
| cubezzz | recent + decent | Jan 13 06:27 |
| cubezzz | I work with an audio engineer so I know a bit about audio stuff | Jan 13 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | It's funny that dollar stores sell shelf systems with an ipod dock | Jan 13 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | maybe that's cause after the $299 ipod, it's all you can afford | Jan 13 06:28 |
| cubezzz | I wouldn't buy anything from a dollar store | Jan 13 06:28 |
| cubezzz | unless one doesn't care at all about quality | Jan 13 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why the damned touchscreen is on the new models | Jan 13 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | click wheel works fine and is far less expensive | Jan 13 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they figured it was becoming too easy to make a PMP that had as many features or more than their ipod | Jan 13 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | hell, there's ipod knock offs on ebay that look pretty much the same for 1/10th the price | Jan 13 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | I think a lot of the kids you see walking around with ipods really have a Chinese knock-off | Jan 13 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't let my kid run around with a $300 device | Jan 13 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | you know how kids are, someone at school steals the fucking thing and the school takes the side of the kid who stole it | Jan 13 06:31 |
| cubezzz | if I travel with anything small and valuable I keep it in an insider zippered pocket | Jan 13 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | Not me, a kid tried to steal my gloves once on the school bus and I kicked his ass | Jan 13 06:32 |
| cubezzz | also I never listen to music/radio while walking around | Jan 13 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | the school said I had to apologize to him, so I said "I'm sorry....that I didn't blacken your other eye to match" | Jan 13 06:33 |
| DaemonFC | got detention for another week just cause of that | Jan 13 06:33 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not apologizing that someone tried to steal my things and got his ass kicked | Jan 13 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | schools are insane | Jan 13 06:34 |
| cubezzz | no ipods in my days at school | Jan 13 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | the point though is who really lets their kids run around at school with that? | Jan 13 06:35 |
| cubezzz | no laptops I can remember either | Jan 13 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | We had portable CD players I think, maybe | Jan 13 06:35 |
| cubezzz | well, it's a high risk item | Jan 13 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | I think I was in the 2nd grade that year | Jan 13 06:35 |
| cubezzz | no, I think a couple of folks might have had Sony Walkmans :) | Jan 13 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | so maybe 1992 or early 1993 | Jan 13 06:36 |
| cubezzz | but I can't remember seeing them in High School | Jan 13 06:36 |
| cubezzz | I can remember 45's in department stores :) | Jan 13 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | oh yeah, I remember a portable CD player being the thing to have | Jan 13 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | everyone had to have one, they were all kinds of expensive | Jan 13 06:36 |
| cubezzz | the jukeboxes of that era | Jan 13 06:36 |
| cubezzz | the main status symbol when I was in HS was high-cut leather nikes | Jan 13 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | well, why would anyone want one now when you can carry 400 CDs worth of music on something that weighs 3 ounces? | Jan 13 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | the CD is a dying thing | Jan 13 06:37 |
| cubezzz | yes, CD's are passe | Jan 13 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | that's a bad thing too, for people who like free software | Jan 13 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | FLAC files come from people that had the CD | Jan 13 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | you can turn FLAC files into anything you want | Jan 13 06:38 |
| cubezzz | well, you can still buy CDs | Jan 13 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | Amazon sells MP3s and decides how they are encoded | Jan 13 06:39 |
| cubezzz | maybe some music stores have FLAC too | Jan 13 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | Apple's worse, they sell AAC which is even more heavily patented | Jan 13 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | either way you turn into a criminal for listening to music you bought on free software | Jan 13 06:39 |
| cubezzz | no | Jan 13 06:40 |
| cubezzz | not in Canada you don't | Jan 13 06:40 |
| cubezzz | no DMCA remember | Jan 13 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | yet | Jan 13 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | I'm still not convinced you won't get one | Jan 13 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Personally I don't care about the DMCA, at all | Jan 13 06:41 |
| cubezzz | we already pay a tax on blank media | Jan 13 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | I rip DVDs, I have plenty of music I didn't pay for | Jan 13 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | I won't pay for it until the RIAA stops suing people | Jan 13 06:42 |
| cubezzz | it's fine to rip DVDs, as long as you buy the originals | Jan 13 06:42 |
| cubezzz | I have no problem with ripping | Jan 13 06:43 |
| cubezzz | I even help content producers directly | Jan 13 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't spent ant money on music since they shut down Napster | Jan 13 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | *any | Jan 13 06:44 |
| cubezzz | I buy music cards, there are everywhere now | Jan 13 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | That has to have been at least 10 years | Jan 13 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | I probably would have 500 CDs I paid them for if not for that | Jan 13 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | their loss | Jan 13 06:45 |
| cubezzz | if I'm looking for a copy of something broadcasted by CBC, BBC, CBC, ABC, NBC etc from the 60's or 70's I'll use a torrent because there's usually no other way to get it | Jan 13 06:45 |
| amarsh04 | cubezzz, do you remember the command to give the uuid of a partition? | Jan 13 06:46 |
| cubezzz | fdisk I guess | Jan 13 06:47 |
| cubezzz | /sbin/fdisk /dev/sdb | Jan 13 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | I ran over my cat with this chair earlier | Jan 13 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | looks like it took some fur | Jan 13 06:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] An ' in Mrs to become Mr's (as in "property of Mr") explains a lot about MAN made traditions from male-centric religious institutions | Jan 13 06:48 | |
| cubezzz | sorry no I think you want "tune2fs -l /dev/sda2" | Jan 13 06:50 |
| cubezzz | or whatever device it is | Jan 13 06:50 |
| amarsh04 | cubezz, I think it's blkid | Jan 13 06:50 |
| amarsh04 | confirmed, it is | Jan 13 06:51 |
| cubezzz | uhh ok :) | Jan 13 06:51 |
| cubezzz | tune2fs will also give the uuid | Jan 13 06:53 |
| amarsh04 | ok, but neither include "uuid" in the summary that man -k uses | Jan 13 06:53 |
| cubezzz | didn't even know about blkid | Jan 13 06:54 |
| cubezzz | yes, it's not returned by man -k, I wonder why that is | Jan 13 06:55 |
| cubezzz | not in the whatis database I suppose | Jan 13 06:57 |
| amarsh04 | whoever wrote the man page thought the description "command-line utility to locate/print block device attr" was most important | Jan 13 06:57 |
| cubezzz | I have this: | Jan 13 06:59 |
| cubezzz | http://cubeman.org/linuxnotes.txt | Jan 13 06:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting text/plain type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 13 06:59 |
| amarsh04 | I'll file a bug report against the package | Jan 13 06:59 |
| cubezzz | anything useful I just pop in there | Jan 13 06:59 |
| cubezzz | since the Unix System V days :) | Jan 13 06:59 |
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| cubezzz | no way I can remember all the command line stuff from memory | Jan 13 07:01 |
| cubezzz | quite often programmers don't write good docs | Jan 13 07:02 |
| cubezzz | they'll write bare bones docs that they can understand | Jan 13 07:03 |
| cubezzz | then, a decade later, no one understand it :) | Jan 13 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | *nix is just the best out of a bad lot | Jan 13 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | the fact a Linux distribution could possibly look good reflects more on Windows | Jan 13 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | people who say Linux is excellent are more or less comparing it with what else they know | Jan 13 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | Windows has a lot of things going against it, of which are mostly self-inflicted by Microsoft | Jan 13 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | DRM, Product Activation, 20 bajillion piece of malware | Jan 13 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | Where I run into problems with Linux, it's usually because that distribution does not have what I need in the repository, then what the hell do you do? | Jan 13 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amsn-project.net/w/index.php?title=Farsight&printable=yes | Jan 13 07:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Farsight - AMSN .::. Size~: 17.39 KB | Jan 13 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | something like that | Jan 13 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | sweet jesus that looks fun, doesn't it? No? | Jan 13 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | then along the way, something will have changed in the last 6 months and those instructions don't wok anymore and the compiler starts throwing all kind of bizarre complaints | Jan 13 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | *work | Jan 13 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | I hate every OS to some extent because they all fail at some point | Jan 13 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | when the user has to grab a compiler, the OS has failed | Jan 13 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | period, end of discussion | Jan 13 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | the project says "Linux for human beings", but I doubt I can show people how to use it when it even throws me sometimes | Jan 13 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | (<unknown>:726): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_type_class_unref: assertion `g_class != NULL' failed | Jan 13 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | Farsight Prepare error : Error while creating new session (1): Could not create GstRtpBin | Jan 13 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | "What does that mean?" | Jan 13 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "I'll be dipped in dog shit if I know!" | Jan 13 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | users shouldn't have to go through this to get simple basic functionality they should have in under 3 minutes | Jan 13 07:22 |
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| oiaohm | http://soltesza.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/tegra-2-supports-ubuntu-linux/ | Jan 13 07:22 |
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| DaemonFC | maybe if Virtual Box ever gets any better, I can just call up Windows whenever I need it | Jan 13 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | right now the USB to guest support is laughable | Jan 13 07:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats not news. | Jan 13 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | right now is can detect truly anything, probably even USB dildos | Jan 13 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | but no webcams at all | Jan 13 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | but it shouldn't even have to get there because *something* should just work on Linux without requiring me to sign up for Google Talk and still not being able to video chat with Windows users | Jan 13 07:25 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] RD: @nixcraft: Securely Encrypt Removable Media with Ubuntu http://io9.in/p | Jan 13 07:42 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/jwDqGppW4cw/Twitter-Hackers-Take-Down-Baidu | Jan 13 07:43 |
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| Diablo-D3 | so, uh | Jan 13 07:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | nice knowing you china | Jan 13 07:43 |
| cubezzz | here's hoping 1984 doesn't become true | Jan 13 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: According to Wikipedia it did. | Jan 13 07:45 |
| DaemonFC | 1984 (MCMLXXXIV) was a leap year starting on Sunday in accordance with the Gregorian calendar. | Jan 13 07:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's a conspiracy | Jan 13 07:45 |
| cubezzz | Orwell was a pessimist | Jan 13 07:47 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @houshuang: #wikiwars Nishant: Uncyclopedia shows - not a crisis of leisure time. But they don't choose to spend their time on what "we w | Jan 13 07:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @houshuang #wikiwars Maybe Wikipedia needs an "exit interview" to find why people leave. Sometimes intentional, sometimes just fades away | Jan 13 07:58 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Obama nickles and dimes the banking industry, fuck yeah http://ur1.ca/jpsq | Jan 13 07:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @staeiou: @thewikipedian Yes! Uncyclopedia is a sanctioned parody, while Encyclopedia Dramatica is a true resistive space. #wikiwars | Jan 13 07:59 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @gkjohn: RT @shefaly: Blogged: Google's China Game (My opinion on 'what happened'): http://bit.ly/8PWQxc | Jan 13 09:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #wikiwars post lunch session: "wikipedia and critique of western knowledge production" started | Jan 13 09:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @tinucherian: Podcast on #wikiwars by @sidin Livemint http://bit.ly/4GamAP #Audio #mp3 | Jan 13 09:15 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Finally watched #KamenRider Decade All Riders vs Dai-Shocker... that was epic. But, do we ever find out who Narutaki really is? !miotd | Jan 13 09:18 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #wikiwars eric zimmerman on "wikipedia and current research information system" raising questions on anonimity in learning systems | Jan 13 09:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Yes. Look at wikileaks RT @MadanRao: Eric Zimmerman: Can anonymity lead to trust, especially in learning environments? #WikiWars | Jan 13 09:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] New Zealand pushing for software patents with a "technical effect", every software changes the hardware, so patentable: http://i5.be/aig | Jan 13 09:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Info_Activism: Google responds 2 internet security concerns in China threatening 2 pull out, gmail of HR advocates http://bit.ly/7SzeIB | Jan 13 09:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @gkjohn: Two words: Mission Creep RT @privacyint: India wants micro-payment platform on top of UID http://is.gd/6b8MP | Jan 13 09:33 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Johanna niesyto's session on "wikipedia as a translingual space" starts | Jan 13 09:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @tinucherian: @wirefire @MadanRao personal observation: Indians prefer own names as usrname, west perfer pseudo names for privacy reasons | Jan 13 09:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #wikiwars Johanna niesyto's session on "wikipedia as a translingual space" starts | Jan 13 09:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @houshuang: #wikiwars Niesyto: List of 1000 articles that every WP should have. Too Western. "Edit each other's biases out of the list" | Jan 13 09:40 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #wikiwars in my observation there are far more issues indic language wps, from standards, unicode etc to caste based notions of knowledge | Jan 13 09:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #wikiwars @houshuang's session started. "equitable governance in multilingual wikipedia" .. Interesting begining | Jan 13 09:57 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @MadanRao: Stian, Norway: Are all the language Wikis translations of each other at a deep level, or different worldviews? #WikiWars | Jan 13 09:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @techdirt: Google Considers Leaving China If China Will Not Allow Uncensored Search http://dlvr.it/Qf7 | Jan 13 10:04 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @privacyint FT: Google tries 2 assure 'this was not an assault on cloud computing',&'we believe our customr cloudbased data remain secure | Jan 13 10:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Srikeit: Live session pics of @houshuang's talk on day 2 of #wikiwars: http://tinyurl.com/ydosebb | Jan 13 10:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @wirefire: You cannot skim/scan or read quickly in a language that is not your own - Stian Haklev #wikiwars | Jan 13 10:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] True. Sides and concerns are very clear now RT @koolhead17: @anivar the game has just begun lets see the future of it. #cloud | Jan 13 10:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] #wikiwars HanTeng Liao: session on "user generated encyclopedia as critical case of keyword economy" | Jan 13 10:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @thewikipedian: Yesterday @houshuang threatened to start his preso in a language besides English, and he just delivered. #wikiwars | Jan 13 10:21 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @MadanRao: Discussion on Citizendium: Wiki with stricter editing rules and obligatory disclosure of editor's real... www.citizendium.org | Jan 13 10:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: Bob Horovitz on Opening India's Spectrum, tmw @ 18:00, at CIS. http://tr.im/Kfwb #Wikiwars participants are very welcome! | Jan 13 10:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Submit your paper for the Knowright2010 conference, deadline at the end of the month, FFII supporting the conference: http://i5.be/aii | Jan 13 10:59 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] WTF panel discussion : Wikipedia and Art . ppl include scott kildall & anne goldenberg from controvercial wikipedia art team | Jan 13 11:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @thewikipedian: Wikipedia Art masterminds S. Kildall and N. Stern up next at #wikiwars; my commentary from May here: http://bit.ly/6XyRl2 | Jan 13 11:24 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @houshuang: #wikiwars My presentation Equitable governance of multilingual WP posted: http://bit.ly/64vecM. Audio and video(?) will be ad | Jan 13 11:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @hapeeg: RT @dina: Google & @globalvoices Breaking Borders Awards in Tech & freedom of exp, Activism. Submn: Feb 15... http://is.gd/6bqKM | Jan 13 11:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @thewikipedian: Though a few #wikiwars participants declared as fans of Bruno Latour, long-dead Roland Barthes actually cited most here. | Jan 13 11:38 | |
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| schestowitz | I got hold of some nasty stuff I don't know if I can leak :-) | Jan 13 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Will probably wait with this one for a bit | Jan 13 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Gonna post some news first | Jan 13 11:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] tired! RT @MadanRao: Strawberries, elephants: more metaphors! @houshuang: Fascinating 2 what extent elephants became a metaphore of the day | Jan 13 11:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Tired! RT @MadanRao: Strawberries too. more metaphors! @houshuang: Fascinating 2 what extent elephnts became a metaphor of the day #wikiwars | Jan 13 11:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @houshuang: #wikiwars But general shape not pleasant. Like WP, we always see it "zoomed in", not from a distance? | Jan 13 11:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @anoopan: RT: @opera: Vote for HTML5/Theora support at YouTube to promote open standards! http://bit.ly/5RWcml | Jan 13 12:01 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Srikeit: Presentation about Wikipedia: site/s for knowledge production by me and @tetisheri at #wikiwars http://slidesha.re/6JdWFx | Jan 13 12:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Aruba Uses #GNU #Linux for #Network Management http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/3857876/ | Jan 13 12:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Desktop Well in the Mainstream http://blog.init.hr/?p=73 | Jan 13 12:16 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Site Writes Positively About Desktop #GNU #Linux http://www.neowin.net/news/main/10/01/12/observations-on-linux39s-future | Jan 13 12:17 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] World Programming Sued ( #GNU #Linux #Server Software) http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1585633/british-david-pokes-us-goliath-eye | Jan 13 12:17 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NVIDIA #VDPAU Assessed on #Linux http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_vdpau_mobile&num=1 | Jan 13 12:19 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Users Should Rely on #GNU #Linux to Get Work Done http://www.itwire.com/content/view/30434/1141/ | Jan 13 12:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Short Review of #Tremulous for #GNU #Linux , Free Game on #GP2X Wiz http://ur1.ca/jq4k http://ur1.ca/jq4l | Jan 13 12:22 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #kde and #GNOME Compared; #GDM Themes Galore http://ur1.ca/jq4n http://ur1.ca/jq4o | Jan 13 12:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Spreads in the Form of Partners http://ur1.ca/jq4p http://ur1.ca/jq4q | Jan 13 12:24 | |
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| amarsh04 | schestowitz, are you aware of the use of the term "anopticon" in a sci fi short story to refer to a microscope/telescope device that used no lenses or mirrors? | Jan 13 12:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora #GNU #Linux 12 Receives Spectacular Review http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/6951/1/ | Jan 13 12:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @MadanRao: Annotated video of #WikiWars will soon be on PADMA site http://pad.ma Official summaries, slides on www.cis-india.org | Jan 13 12:27 | |
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| oiaohm | Really MS first profit report for the year will be interesting. | Jan 13 12:28 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: did you see it mentioned (The word)? | Jan 13 12:33 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: maybe tweaked | Jan 13 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Deferrals | Jan 13 12:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SimplyMEPIS 8.0.15 is Released http://www.mepis.org/node/14231 #mepis #debian #gnu #linux | Jan 13 12:34 | |
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| schestowitz | But their CFO is out | Jan 13 12:34 |
| schestowitz | THe books cook | Jan 13 12:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian -based Distributions Gain New, Former #Windows Users http://www.goodbyemicrosoft.net/news.php?item.549.2 | Jan 13 12:35 | |
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| amarsh04 | in the register article you quoted about Italians disclosing cctv locations schestowitz which references http://www.tramaci.org/anopticon/ (Italian site) | Jan 13 12:36 |
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| amarsh04 | schestowitz, the science fiction reference is to an Asimov short story: http://wapedia.mobi/en/Anniversary_%28short_story%29 | Jan 13 12:40 |
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| rnb | good morning everyone | Jan 13 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Hey, ryan, what's up? | Jan 13 12:46 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: I never read Asimov | Jan 13 12:46 |
| rnb | oh | Jan 13 12:46 |
| rnb | work | Jan 13 12:46 |
| amarsh04 | ah, it was referenced at the end of the register article after all schestowitz | Jan 13 12:46 |
| rnb | work, work, always work | Jan 13 12:46 |
| rnb | i need 1 million USD | Jan 13 12:47 |
| rnb | can you hook me up? | Jan 13 12:47 |
| schestowitz | When you find such a "hooker", hook me up too | Jan 13 12:49 |
| rnb | hookers all around, then? | Jan 13 12:49 |
| schestowitz | Hooker can mean many things | Jan 13 12:49 |
| schestowitz | Fishing, anyone? :-) | Jan 13 12:49 |
| schestowitz | ANyway, you shouldn't want USDs | Jan 13 12:49 |
| schestowitz | High-level sources say it will collapse | Jan 13 12:50 |
| cubezzz | what do we use then? | Jan 13 12:50 |
| schestowitz | Even in "mainstream" television now | Jan 13 12:50 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: CAD | Jan 13 12:50 |
| schestowitz | or AUD for amarsh04 | Jan 13 12:50 |
| cubezzz | ok, I do that already | Jan 13 12:50 |
| rnb | schestowitz: it has already collapsed quite a bit | Jan 13 12:52 |
| rnb | schestowitz: but, still, 1 million USD would go a long way | Jan 13 12:52 |
| cubezzz | the standard method for making a million is to get 10,000 to send you $100 for a money making scheme :) | Jan 13 12:54 |
| rnb | i was just thinking ... spam is the way | Jan 13 12:56 |
| rnb | i've worked with a lot of famous spammers | Jan 13 12:56 |
| schestowitz | The issue is, many currencies are interconnected | Jan 13 12:56 |
| schestowitz | The dollars have not collapsed yet | Jan 13 12:56 |
| schestowitz | They will when China and the MidEast will stop trading in them | Jan 13 12:57 |
| rnb | well, almost -all- currencies are interconnected | Jan 13 12:57 |
| schestowitz | The pound is also sensitive | Jan 13 12:57 |
| schestowitz | A | Jan 13 12:57 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine converted all the savings to silver | Jan 13 12:57 |
| schestowitz | His savings are in assets, not paper | Jan 13 12:57 |
| rnb | lots of people are converting to precious metals | Jan 13 12:57 |
| rnb | i would be a millionaire if i had converted my savings to gold 10 years ago | Jan 13 12:58 |
| schestowitz | [12:57] <rnb> well, almost -all- currencies are interconnected | Jan 13 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Depends which | Jan 13 12:58 |
| schestowitz | On trade | Jan 13 12:58 |
| schestowitz | UK-US for example | Jan 13 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Depends on where trade flows | Jan 13 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Yen-Yuan.. | Jan 13 12:58 |
| rnb | some more than others but, in general, it's a global economy | Jan 13 12:58 |
| schestowitz | If the dollars collapses, then importers here will be affected. Africa is more insular | Jan 13 12:58 |
| rnb | i cant wait to move away from the US | Jan 13 12:59 |
| rnb | i hate it here | Jan 13 12:59 |
| cubezzz | how come? | Jan 13 13:00 |
| rnb | quality of life is terrible | Jan 13 13:00 |
| schestowitz | We're still livin' in a "dollar world" because of the West's domination | Jan 13 13:00 |
| schestowitz | It's imbalanced when it comes to production | Jan 13 13:00 |
| rnb | there's really no sense of community except in the really poor parts of the country | Jan 13 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Right now the arms production is led by the West | Jan 13 13:00 |
| rnb | and you are either working a terrible, service-oriented job and not making any money | Jan 13 13:01 |
| schestowitz | It used to be the Soviets, but it led them to bankruptcy and their currency lost its underwear | Jan 13 13:01 |
| rnb | or you are living the corporat rat-race with so much stress you dont know what to do with yourself | Jan 13 13:01 |
| rnb | plus we dont get health care | Jan 13 13:01 |
| cubezzz | I'm self-employed actually | Jan 13 13:01 |
| rnb | we dont get school | Jan 13 13:01 |
| rnb | i'm also self-employed | Jan 13 13:01 |
| rnb | and it is non-stop stress | Jan 13 13:01 |
| schestowitz | You have malls | Jan 13 13:01 |
| cubezzz | I feel there's less stress being self-employed then working as an employee | Jan 13 13:02 |
| rnb | cubezzz: where do you live? | Jan 13 13:02 |
| cubezzz | I'm in Ontario | Jan 13 13:02 |
| rnb | cubezzz: oh definitely not! as an employee you can scam your way into basically doing nothing | Jan 13 13:02 |
| rnb | cubezzz: well, at least, that's what i was doing but i guess you need to be at the VP or C-level to really get away with that | Jan 13 13:03 |
| rnb | cubezzz: then you are just playing politics all day, not actually working | Jan 13 13:03 |
| cubezzz | well, I would never do nothing :) | Jan 13 13:03 |
| cubezzz | too boring | Jan 13 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Politics is an overstatement, rnb :-) | Jan 13 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Placeholder for many things like sucking up" | Jan 13 13:04 |
| rnb | cubezzz: what do you do? | Jan 13 13:04 |
| cubezzz | I do all sorts of different things | Jan 13 13:04 |
| rnb | schestowitz: eh, sometimes | Jan 13 13:04 |
| rnb | cubezzz: masonry? | Jan 13 13:04 |
| cubezzz | I'm on call for computer repairs, I build and sell puzzles, and I do contracts as well | Jan 13 13:05 |
| rnb | huh. | Jan 13 13:05 |
| cubezzz | sometimes I teach | Jan 13 13:06 |
| rnb | especially in san francisco everyone is very superficial | Jan 13 13:07 |
| rnb | and apathetic and nothing exciting ever happens | Jan 13 13:07 |
| cubezzz | recently I launched a CD on tunecore | Jan 13 13:07 |
| rnb | i'm sick of the projects there are to work on around here | Jan 13 13:08 |
| cubezzz | then you are close to silicon valley? | Jan 13 13:08 |
| rnb | i live in san francisco; silicon valley is about 40 minutes south of here (depending on traffic) | Jan 13 13:09 |
| cubezzz | how is the economy where you are? | Jan 13 13:09 |
| rnb | it's great | Jan 13 13:09 |
| rnb | everybody is hiring | Jan 13 13:10 |
| rnb | in fact, there arent enough qualified engineers to fill all the positions | Jan 13 13:10 |
| cubezzz | and yet you say the quality of life is terrible... | Jan 13 13:10 |
| rnb | yeah | Jan 13 13:11 |
| rnb | the dot-com world is so boring and ... mmm | Jan 13 13:12 |
| rnb | vacuous | Jan 13 13:12 |
| rnb | i just want different clients | Jan 13 13:13 |
| rnb | it's been hard making the transition that i want my business to make | Jan 13 13:13 |
| rnb | to do less work for dot-com social networks and etc | Jan 13 13:14 |
| cubezzz | so you are a programmer then? | Jan 13 13:14 |
| rnb | and more work for REALLY innovative free software projects | Jan 13 13:14 |
| rnb | primarily in latin america | Jan 13 13:14 |
| rnb | well, i -am- a programmer/sysadmin but that's not my job | Jan 13 13:15 |
| rnb | we've done work for latin american governments in the past, helping them migrate to free software | Jan 13 13:18 |
| rnb | i want to do more work like that | Jan 13 13:19 |
| cubezzz | FOSS seems to be bigger in South America | Jan 13 13:21 |
| cubezzz | in North America, pffffft | Jan 13 13:21 |
| cubezzz | it's hardly ideal | Jan 13 13:21 |
| rnb | yes, it's huge in latin america | Jan 13 13:21 |
| rnb | and that's partly because many latin american governments have mandated a migration to free software | Jan 13 13:21 |
| rnb | by law | Jan 13 13:21 |
| rnb | for all government agencies & state-owned enterprises | Jan 13 13:22 |
| cubezzz | ah well that would help :) | Jan 13 13:22 |
| rnb | latin america is the best case study in the success of free software to completely replace proprietary software | Jan 13 13:23 |
| cubezzz | Canada seems rather sluggish in that regard | Jan 13 13:23 |
| cubezzz | well, of course I know it's possible | Jan 13 13:23 |
| cubezzz | it's just that people here are brain washed | Jan 13 13:23 |
| rnb | but i think there is a prejudice or stereotype that many northerners have | Jan 13 13:23 |
| rnb | that latin american countries are backwards or something | Jan 13 13:23 |
| cubezzz | no, I don't assume that | Jan 13 13:24 |
| rnb | when, really, many of them are more technologically advanced than the US is | Jan 13 13:24 |
| cubezzz | I know very little about central and south america | Jan 13 13:24 |
| rnb | i dont mean you, but i've been frustrated trying to get free software advocates excited about what's happening in latin america | Jan 13 13:24 |
| rnb | it is the free software advocate's wet dream | Jan 13 13:24 |
| rnb | but when i've spoken about it at conferences/etc people are kind of luke-warm to what's happening there, which is amazing | Jan 13 13:25 |
| rnb | er, what is happening there is amazing | Jan 13 13:25 |
| rnb | and it has been surprising to me that foss advocates dont have more interest in it | Jan 13 13:25 |
| rnb | i think it's what you're saying.. people dont know very much about latin america | Jan 13 13:26 |
| rnb | but english-speaking people dont know very much about the rest of the world, in general ;) | Jan 13 13:26 |
| cubezzz | rnb, I study history a bit | Jan 13 13:27 |
| cubezzz | plus I am an immigrant myself | Jan 13 13:27 |
| cubezzz | Stallman gets around | Jan 13 13:28 |
| rnb | an immigrant from where? | Jan 13 13:29 |
| cubezzz | to me Germany and Japan seem "advanced" | Jan 13 13:29 |
| cubezzz | rnb, Northern Ireland | Jan 13 13:29 |
| rnb | yes, stallman is a good ally | Jan 13 13:30 |
| rnb | he also speaks spanish and he understands the significance of what's happening in latin america | Jan 13 13:30 |
| cubezzz | yeah he thinks farther ahead I think | Jan 13 13:30 |
| rnb | and he has a good understanding of the political situation in the americas | Jan 13 13:31 |
| cubezzz | I thought that FOSS might have caught on more as the world economy seems a bit slow | Jan 13 13:31 |
| cubezzz | it's an obvious way to cut costs | Jan 13 13:31 |
| rnb | well, northern ireland is still a part of the commonwealth, no? | Jan 13 13:31 |
| cubezzz | uh yeah | Jan 13 13:31 |
| cubezzz | it was the last time I checked :) | Jan 13 13:32 |
| rnb | cubezzz: well, i've heard the foss/recession argument but... i think most companies using proprietary software would prefer to weather the storm | Jan 13 13:32 |
| cubezzz | I guess the biggest problem is that Microsoft has all the OEM's in a death grip | Jan 13 13:33 |
| rnb | cubezzz: that is, recessions make companies MORE conservative and, thus, less likely to make a major shift like switch to foss | Jan 13 13:33 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Jan 13 13:33 |
| rnb | cubezzz: well, OEM but also microsoft has the capital to just bribe their way to bigger marketshare | Jan 13 13:33 |
| rnb | cubezzz: much of the shift to foss in latin america has been based in ideology | Jan 13 13:34 |
| cubezzz | the shift does seem to be to pull away from Microsoft though | Jan 13 13:34 |
| rnb | cubezzz: that is, most of the countries embracing the shift has been socialist countries or countries with socialist parties in power | Jan 13 13:34 |
| rnb | cubezzz: so they are against microsoft because they are anti-imperialist, etc | Jan 13 13:34 |
| cubezzz | rnb, well Canada is _somewhat_ socialist | Jan 13 13:35 |
| cubezzz | but it's still Microsoftland :) | Jan 13 13:35 |
| rnb | canada is social democratic | Jan 13 13:35 |
| cubezzz | which is annoying | Jan 13 13:35 |
| rnb | but it isnt even that anymore | Jan 13 13:35 |
| rnb | i mean socialist like che guevara socialist | Jan 13 13:35 |
| cubezzz | all I know is I voted for the greens and they got zero seats | Jan 13 13:35 |
| cubezzz | right, we are probably far away from that | Jan 13 13:36 |
| cubezzz | I just get sick of going into a computer place and seeing all Windows and Mac | Jan 13 13:37 |
| cubezzz | or Intel Atoms | Jan 13 13:37 |
| MinceR | Atom is not an OS :> | Jan 13 13:37 |
| cubezzz | yes, but my point was the lack of choices | Jan 13 13:38 |
| rnb | well this is what i mean | Jan 13 13:40 |
| rnb | north american can learn from latin america | Jan 13 13:40 |
| rnb | they DO have stores which are all FOSS | Jan 13 13:40 |
| rnb | their governments are all FOSS | Jan 13 13:41 |
| rnb | they have these community computer labs that anyone can use | Jan 13 13:41 |
| rnb | all running FOSS | Jan 13 13:41 |
| cubezzz | yes that's uber good | Jan 13 13:41 |
| rnb | brazil announced last year that they will build 52,000 new community labs | Jan 13 13:41 |
| rnb | in addition to the tens of thousands that they already have | Jan 13 13:41 |
| cubezzz | we do have freenets in Canada though | Jan 13 13:41 |
| rnb | freenets like ... the old freenets? basically a unix account? | Jan 13 13:42 |
| rnb | or an actual physical computer lab? | Jan 13 13:42 |
| cubezzz | yes, the old freenets | Jan 13 13:42 |
| cubezzz | some are still around | Jan 13 13:42 |
| rnb | yeah | Jan 13 13:42 |
| schestowitz | rnb: you should move to research | Jan 13 13:43 |
| schestowitz | You have a lot more freedom that way, I love it | Jan 13 13:43 |
| rnb | schestowitz: what do you mean? | Jan 13 13:43 |
| schestowitz | [13:15] <rnb> well, i -am- a programmer/sysadmin but that's not my job | Jan 13 13:44 |
| schestowitz | [13:37] <cubezzz> I just get sick of going into a computer place and seeing all Windows and Mac | Jan 13 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Same in SF | Jan 13 13:44 |
| schestowitz | That's just a niche market | Jan 13 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Japan, EU, North America | Jan 13 13:44 |
| rnb | schestowitz: you live in SF? | Jan 13 13:44 |
| rnb | i dont know how to move into research | Jan 13 13:45 |
| schestowitz | EU as inn _west_ Europe | Jan 13 13:45 |
| rnb | i'd love to take on resarch jobs | Jan 13 13:45 |
| rnb | what is the "SF" in schestowitz> Same in SF ? | Jan 13 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Apple could be mapped and come up very small | Jan 13 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Just patches on the world's map | Jan 13 13:45 |
| cubezzz | Amiga's making a comeback :) | Jan 13 13:46 |
| rnb | ahhh i'm confused!!! | Jan 13 13:46 |
| cubezzz | Amiga will rule over all ;-) | Jan 13 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Most of the world is computer illiterate and many use what's free (refurbished, sometimes with old Linux) | Jan 13 13:46 |
| schestowitz | rnb: San Francisco? | Jan 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | That's where you are, near the bay? | Jan 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | And no, I'm not there | Jan 13 13:47 |
| rnb | schestowitz: yes, i live in downtown SF | Jan 13 13:47 |
| rnb | oh | Jan 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | My family (relatives) is in the east coast | Jan 13 13:48 |
| rnb | we tried to make the SF city government switch to all free software | Jan 13 13:48 |
| schestowitz | And the US moves faster towards fascist policies than in here | Jan 13 13:48 |
| cubezzz | east coast of the US you mean? | Jan 13 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Former CIA agents say this | Jan 13 13:48 |
| rnb | schestowitz: "in here" -- what is "in here" ? | Jan 13 13:48 |
| schestowitz | The US is densely populated, so surveillance here is record-breaking | Jan 13 13:48 |
| schestowitz | rnb: CA has just made FOSS news | Jan 13 13:49 |
| rnb | yes, this is another reason i want to leave SF | Jan 13 13:49 |
| rnb | er, leave the US | Jan 13 13:49 |
| schestowitz | The SS dude who runs CA had his agent defend FOSS | Jan 13 13:49 |
| rnb | the US is becoming more and more of a banana republic and latin america is becoming less and less like that | Jan 13 13:49 |
| schestowitz | But maybe it's a plot to just crow about "Savings" | Jan 13 13:49 |
| schestowitz | rnb: yes, but Latin America is harassed for it by the neo-banana republics | Jan 13 13:50 |
| schestowitz | It's depends on the beholder | Jan 13 13:50 |
| schestowitz | I sometimes think that Mexico has richer culture than the neighbours up north cause I have a friend who worked in both countries | Jan 13 13:51 |
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| rnb | latin american culture is much richer, if you ask me | Jan 13 13:52 |
| rnb | US culture is shallow and idiotic | Jan 13 13:53 |
| rnb | especially now... so much of US culture is damn near fascist | Jan 13 13:55 |
| rnb | i cant believe a show like "24" is considered to be a great icon of US culture | Jan 13 13:56 |
| rnb | cubezzz: do you speak irish/gaelic? | Jan 13 13:57 |
| cubezzz | no | Jan 13 13:58 |
| cubezzz | that's more common in the Republic of Ireland | Jan 13 13:59 |
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| cubezzz | I should listen to some Irish radio maybe :) | Jan 13 14:00 |
| rnb | right.. | Jan 13 14:01 |
| rnb | you're protestant, eh? :) | Jan 13 14:01 |
| cubezzz | yes | Jan 13 14:02 |
| cubezzz | I protest a lot :) | Jan 13 14:02 |
| cubezzz | mostly against Microsoft | Jan 13 14:02 |
| cubezzz | actually I do watch rte news sometimes | Jan 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | url? | Jan 13 14:04 |
| cubezzz | http://www.rte.ie | Jan 13 14:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: RTÉ Ireland's National Television and Radio Broadcaster .::. Size~: 35.77 KB | Jan 13 14:04 |
| cubezzz | actually I get it on broadcast too | Jan 13 14:05 |
| cubezzz | via WNED | Jan 13 14:05 |
| cubezzz | not sure if they'll let me listen to their radio online though | Jan 13 14:06 |
| cubezzz | or if they even have internet radio | Jan 13 14:06 |
| rnb | http://www.rte.ie/live/ | Jan 13 14:07 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: RTÉ Ireland's National Television and Radio Broadcaster .::. Size~: 20.5 KB | Jan 13 14:07 |
| rnb | real or windows media :/ | Jan 13 14:08 |
| cubezzz | ah, they got realplayer :) | Jan 13 14:08 |
| cubezzz | better than nothing | Jan 13 14:08 |
| rnb | i watch telesur all day | Jan 13 14:08 |
| rnb | http://www.telesurtv.net/ | Jan 13 14:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: TeleSURtv.net _ Nuestro Norte es el SUR .::. Size~: 76.13 KB | Jan 13 14:08 |
| cubezzz | rnb, how about cspan? | Jan 13 14:08 |
| rnb | actually, yeah, i sometimes leave that running in the background, too | Jan 13 14:09 |
| rnb | they have a nice streaming setup for all 3 channels | Jan 13 14:10 |
| cubezzz | the accent is strangley different | Jan 13 14:10 |
| cubezzz | strangely | Jan 13 14:10 |
| rnb | which accent? | Jan 13 14:10 |
| cubezzz | the ie accent | Jan 13 14:10 |
| rnb | how did you end up in ontario? | Jan 13 14:10 |
| cubezzz | I was really young, and my parents immigrated to Canada in 1967 | Jan 13 14:11 |
| rnb | oh, i see.. that was a volatile time in ireland | Jan 13 14:12 |
| rnb | is that partly why they left? | Jan 13 14:12 |
| cubezzz | we missed most of it | Jan 13 14:12 |
| cubezzz | probably | Jan 13 14:12 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Jan 13 14:13 |
| rnb | last time i was in canada was for the FTAA/ALCA summit in quebec | Jan 13 14:13 |
| rnb | remember that? | Jan 13 14:13 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Jan 13 14:14 |
| cubezzz | vaguely :) | Jan 13 14:14 |
| cubezzz | 2001? | Jan 13 14:14 |
| rnb | yeah | Jan 13 14:16 |
| rnb | la guerre du gaz! | Jan 13 14:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Googles "PrivacyWash" , a practice similar to Greenwash . Take a look at Breaking the Borders award http://bit.ly/75saGw #fb | Jan 13 14:23 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Don't know why? suddenly listening to rocking "kuthoo" songs. Feels like dancing :D | Jan 13 14:23 | |
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| wallc_ | good morning : ) | Jan 13 14:26 |
| rnb | hi | Jan 13 14:27 |
| wallc_ | rnb? I haven't met you before...how are you? | Jan 13 14:27 |
| rnb | fine, how are you? | Jan 13 14:28 |
| rnb | wallc_: where are you from? | Jan 13 14:28 |
| wallc_ | still sleepy...need more coffee : ) | Jan 13 14:28 |
| wallc_ | way out west in the usa | Jan 13 14:28 |
| wallc_ | it's about 7:30am here | Jan 13 14:28 |
| wallc_ | yawn | Jan 13 14:28 |
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| rnb | i'm in san francisco and it is 6:30AM here | Jan 13 14:30 |
| rnb | so it cant be WAAAY out west in the usa | Jan 13 14:30 |
| wallc_ | well, it's west enough. i'm a zonie, we don't change time here. | Jan 13 14:30 |
| wallc_ | (as in arizona) | Jan 13 14:31 |
| wallc_ | hey, were just waitin' for that big earthquake in california to turn our state into a beach front... | Jan 13 14:31 |
| wallc_ | *we're* | Jan 13 14:32 |
| wallc_ | just kidding... | Jan 13 14:32 |
| wallc_ | i just remembered the big quake in haiti yesterday, so that wasn't a funny joke...need more coffee. | Jan 13 14:32 |
| wallc_ | sorry...I shouldn't be left unsupervised at the computer. | Jan 13 14:33 |
| rnb | no offense taken | Jan 13 14:37 |
| rnb | the world might be a better place if california was underwater | Jan 13 14:37 |
| wallc_ | thank you...i'm honestly embarrassed to have said such a thoughtless thing... | Jan 13 14:37 |
| wallc_ | no, caalifornia is gorgeous...we can't lose the redwoods for sure. | Jan 13 14:38 |
| wallc_ | california | Jan 13 14:38 |
| wallc_ | (i can only spell short words) | Jan 13 14:38 |
| wallc_ | and I have family over there. | Jan 13 14:38 |
| wallc_ | maybe if the earthquake just took san diego? | Jan 13 14:39 |
| wallc_ | where is everybody this morning, it's usually very lively here. | Jan 13 14:40 |
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| Omar87__ | schestowitz: ping | Jan 13 15:03 |
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| Jose_X | schestowitz, for when you get back... http://seekingalpha.com/article/182275-what-google-s-threat-to-pull-out-of-china-really-means?source=yahoo | Jan 13 15:14 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: What Google's Threat to Pull Out of China Really Means -- Seeking Alpha .::. Size~: 130.98 KB | Jan 13 15:14 |
| Jose_X | >> There’s widespread feeling among foreign companies in China that the issues Google is complaining about are real, and serious. A senior person with a leading global tech company here in Beijing who I talked to, described Google’s announcement as “unprecedented,” and said it will make everyone rethink the way they do business in China. A diplomatic contact told me that the privacy and security issues raised were so serio | Jan 13 15:14 |
| Jose_X | us that “the U.S. government’s response, or lack of response, will send a profound message” not just to China, but the entire world. Already, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is demanding an explanation from China for the alleged cyberattacks. | Jan 13 15:14 |
| Jose_X | >> If it does leave, to my knowledge, Google will be the first major U.S. company to quit China explicitly for reasons of political interference — and that marks a very significant development. China has always operated on the assumption that, no matter how they might grumble, foreign investors will ultimately accept whatever strictures China dishes out because nobody, in the end, is willing to walk away from the Chinese market. | Jan 13 15:15 |
| Jose_X | Google’s decision seriously undermines that assumption. There is a breaking point. | Jan 13 15:15 |
| schestowitz | rnb: wallc is cool, isn't she? :-) | Jan 13 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Pong. | Jan 13 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | Jose_X: yes, I just got back. I saw an artilce about it in the NYT earlier | Jan 13 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Clinton has always been a Chinaphob | Jan 13 15:17 |
| Jose_X | also http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Google-to-end-China-apf-1998191228.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=8&asset=&ccode= | Jan 13 15:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google to end China censorship after e-mail breach - Yahoo! Finance .::. Size~: 88.5 KB | Jan 13 15:18 |
| rnb | schestowitz: dunno, barely talked to her | Jan 13 15:18 |
| schestowitz | He campaign funding is worth a glimpse | Jan 13 15:18 |
| Jose_X | this one has some details over what happened | Jan 13 15:18 |
| schestowitz | rnb: she helps us a lot in resarch | Jan 13 15:18 |
| Jose_X | >> Without providing details, Google said it and at least 20 other major companies from the Internet, financial services, technology, media and chemical industries were targeted. The heist lifted some of Google's intellectual property but didn't get any information about the users of its services, the company said. Google has passed along what it knows so far to U.S. authorities and other affected companies. | Jan 13 15:18 |
| schestowitz | *search | Jan 13 15:18 |
| rnb | China isnt going to care one bit if Google "leaves" China | Jan 13 15:18 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: So, you still believe that the Freemasons ain't no "evil", and have nothing to do with all these "silly conspiracy theories"? | Jan 13 15:18 |
| rnb | schestowitz: who is "us" ? | Jan 13 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: exaggerationsa | Jan 13 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: exaggerations | Jan 13 15:18 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Ok | Jan 13 15:18 |
| schestowitz | They make money from the nonsense | Jan 13 15:18 |
| rnb | schestowitz: i want to do research! | Jan 13 15:18 |
| schestowitz | They sell tapes and stuff (Jones and Ilk/Ike) | Jan 13 15:19 |
| schestowitz | rnb: what type? | Jan 13 15:19 |
| Jose_X | >> Only two e-mail accounts were infiltrated in these attacks, Google said, and the intruders were only able to see subject lines and the dates that the individual accounts were created. None of the content written within the body of the e-mails leaked out, Google said. | Jan 13 15:19 |
| Jose_X | As part of its investigation into that incident, Google stumbled onto another scam that was more successful. Google said dozens of activists fighting the Chinese government's policies fell prey to ruses commonly known as "phishing" or malware. The victims live in the United States, Europe and China, Google said. | Jan 13 15:19 |
| schestowitz | My Ph.D. makes me more qualified for it, I guess, but research is a matter of reputation as much as skills | Jan 13 15:19 |
| rnb | schestowitz: i dont know, what type do you do? | Jan 13 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Medical biophysics | Jan 13 15:20 |
| schestowitz | It's more interdisciplinary | Jan 13 15:20 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: then how do you explain that when my cousin wrote an article for a course in his college about the relation between "Zionism" and "Freemasonry", that the professor refuse to let him read it, and he's been feeling very paranoid since then? | Jan 13 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: true | Jan 13 15:20 |
| schestowitz | It's not based on facts | Jan 13 15:20 |
| schestowitz | You could go with established source | Jan 13 15:21 |
| schestowitz | This one reeks of Jones and Ilk(R) | Jan 13 15:21 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: "Paranoid" as in "he's being watched", and even if he says anything about it on the phone, the line suddenly hangs up for no reason. | Jan 13 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Rothschild (Red Shield) is worth exploring though, but too many crackpots have polluted the pool of knowledge | Jan 13 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: probably an exaggeration | Jan 13 15:22 |
| schestowitz | They don't trigger hangups on words | Jan 13 15:22 |
| schestowitz | And I very much doubt that in Jordan they would do that | Jan 13 15:22 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Exaggerations? It's happening to him! :-) | Jan 13 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Statically speaking? | Jan 13 15:22 |
| schestowitz | How many times? | Jan 13 15:22 |
| schestowitz | What sample size? | Jan 13 15:22 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: and he's my cousin, he's my relative, ya know. :D | Jan 13 15:22 |
| schestowitz | How is recurrence? | Jan 13 15:23 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jan 13 15:23 |
| schestowitz | But he can select just what suits his conviction | Jan 13 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Take the alien freaks for example | Jan 13 15:23 |
| Jose_X | And this one mentions some responses from citizens: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Google-threat-a-rare-show-of-apf-1244144999.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=7&asset=&ccode= | Jan 13 15:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google threat a rare show of defiance in China - Yahoo! Finance .::. Size~: 93.72 KB | Jan 13 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Those who believe that people exactly our size travel across galaxies just to do sexual experiments on us and get us back home by 6am | Jan 13 15:24 |
| Jose_X | >> "Google is a great soldier of freedom. You don't bend to the devils," said a note on the site Tianya.cn. | Jan 13 15:24 |
| Jose_X | A posting on http://www.mop.com pleaded, "Google please don't go. We can't let you go. Real man, we support you." | Jan 13 15:24 |
| Jose_X | A photo on a Chinese Web site showed a visitor outside the Google building bowing in a traditional gesture of respect. | Jan 13 15:24 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Ya know something? Even sometimes, some people say "Hi" to him and even call his name even though he's sure as hell he never met them before. | Jan 13 15:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 猫扑 - 中国第一娱乐互动门户 .::. Size~: 109.53 KB | Jan 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz | And then they say: | Jan 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz | "Wow, people look weird at me..." | Jan 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz | "They must be hiding something" | Jan 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz | No... | Jan 13 15:24 |
| schestowitz | They look at you weird cause they think, "OMG! This man is insane!" | Jan 13 15:24 |
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| cubezzz | hmmm? | Jan 13 15:25 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: And the hang up happen quite frequently. Almost every time he mentions anything about the subject. | Jan 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Jose_X: China should embrace Google for its own use | Jan 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Google gives them other sources | Jan 13 15:25 |
| Jose_X | >> On Wednesday, Google.cn said its top search term of the day was "Tiananmen," possibly due to Web surfers looking for material on the government's violent crackdown on 1989 pro-democracy protests. The No. 2 search topic was "Google leaving China." | Jan 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Like channels such as Aljazeera to the West | Jan 13 15:25 |
| schestowitz | To understand the stories which the media here deliberately spikes | Jan 13 15:25 |
| Jose_X | btw, that last article says that google might still be censoring but other stories have confirmed that access is now open (or much more so) | Jan 13 15:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: the press release did not say they stopped censoring. | Jan 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Jose_X: I hope they open it up | Jan 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Jose_X: but... | Jan 13 15:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | they can't. | Jan 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Google censors in the UK too | Jan 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Google censors in the US.. | Jan 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Google censors in the France.. | Jan 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Google censors in the germany..... | Jan 13 15:26 |
| schestowitz | OOPS | Jan 13 15:27 |
| schestowitz | take out the "the" | Jan 13 15:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | google censors your mom | Jan 13 15:27 |
| schestowitz | They censor some stuff that *WE* find vile | Jan 13 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Like hate speech and neo-Nazi stuff | Jan 13 15:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | rubbish, I can find Sarah Palin on google any time. | Jan 13 15:27 |
| schestowitz | So to China, the issue is one of /what/ gets censored | Jan 13 15:27 |
| schestowitz | YouTuve started censoring too | Jan 13 15:27 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: ya know something? I kinda feel bad for Wikileaks. | Jan 13 15:27 |
| schestowitz | For using strong language for exaple | Jan 13 15:27 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: | Jan 13 15:28 |
| schestowitz | !gooogle michelle obama censor | Jan 13 15:28 |
| schestowitz | !google michelle obama censor | Jan 13 15:28 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - YouTube - Unnecessary Censorship- Michelle Obama and Elmo | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D6MfrEMkwXDA | Jan 13 15:28 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Outrage: Google Censors Michelle Obama Monkey Pic | http://thesop.org/politics/2009/11/25/outrage-google-censors-michelle-obama-monkey-pic | Jan 13 15:28 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Michelle Obama racist image sparks Google apology - Censorship | http://technewsreview.com.au/article.php%3Farticle%3D9719 | Jan 13 15:28 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Michelle Obama 'racist' picture that is topping Google Images ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/25/michelle-obama-google-images-removed | Jan 13 15:28 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: there's gotta be something that can be done to help get it back up and running again. | Jan 13 15:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yeah i know, i've seen these stories. | Jan 13 15:28 |
| schestowitz | what's next? | Jan 13 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Can I -- mere citizen -- also take down defamatory photos of me? Can you? | Jan 13 15:28 |
| schestowitz | They open up to a sea of feces | Jan 13 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, me too | Jan 13 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Legal risks | Jan 13 15:29 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: True. | Jan 13 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Filthy rich lawyers and DMCAs/C&D versus truth | Jan 13 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Barclay, Swiss banks, Trafigura, MoD...... | Jan 13 15:30 |
| schestowitz | You know what it tells you? | Jan 13 15:30 |
| schestowitz | It tells you the law is contructed and refined by those who need to hide their crimes, as Lessig puts it (sorta) | Jan 13 15:30 |
| schestowitz | We are told not what we are allowed | Jan 13 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Just what we are _dis_allowed | Jan 13 15:31 |
| schestowitz | This way, our actions can be contained | Jan 13 15:31 |
| schestowitz | We are subjected to comply | Jan 13 15:31 |
| schestowitz | The idea of "increasing security" established precisely that | Jan 13 15:31 |
| schestowitz | More dehumanisation, erosion of rights | Jan 13 15:32 |
| schestowitz | !google santa bomb threat 2009 joke | Jan 13 15:32 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Bomb threat forces evacuation | bomb, amormino, threat - News ... | http://www.ocregister.com/articles/bomb-219598-amormino-threat.html | Jan 13 15:32 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Going Postal: Grandma's bomb threat, drunken chess-playing and ... | http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/09/08/going-postal-grandma-s-bomb-threat-drunken-chess-playing-and-spotted-dick-pudding-renamed.aspx | Jan 13 15:32 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Bomb threat, scuffle on Atlanta-to-LAX flight; man detained | L.A. ... | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/01/man-threatens-p.html | Jan 13 15:32 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - 30 Rock Review: "Secret Santa" (episode 4.8) :: TV :: Reviews :: Paste | http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2009/12/30-rock-review-secret-santa-episode-48.html | Jan 13 15:32 |
| schestowitz | hmmmmm.. | Jan 13 15:32 |
| schestowitz | Got this by mail: "I worked at Microsoft as an intern a few years ago but have since cut my ties with them. I’m very grateful for their support over the years and the acquaintances I’ve made and the positive impact they’ve had on my future career. In spite of this, I remain impartial and unbiased to my views." | Jan 13 15:33 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/igeneration/?page_id=100 | Jan 13 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/igeneration/?p=3861 | Jan 13 15:33 |
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| schestowitz | Watch out, even though he's cool with Firefox he could diss Linux next. Wait and watch.... | Jan 13 15:33 |
| schestowitz | ZDNet is filling itself up with current, former and future employees of Microsoft (Bott, Foley, Ou, Carrol, now this guy...) | Jan 13 15:34 |
| cubezzz | who? | Jan 13 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Look em up | Jan 13 15:38 |
| schestowitz | I wanna go somewhere, it's snowing again. | Jan 13 15:38 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Jan 13 15:38 |
| cubezzz | he doesn't seem to have much to say | Jan 13 15:39 |
| cubezzz | http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/01/13/0328221/Organ-Damage-In-Rats-From-Monsanto-GMO-Corn | Jan 13 15:45 |
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| Jose_X | schestowitz, google image search for "michelle obama monkey picture" has that picture second and includes as well http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:R4RyWp4E6fdDLM%3Ahttp://www.shitheadery.com/images/stories/politics/bush_monkey3.jpg and http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:-XmA5baPSGCGcM%3Ahttp://newworldodor.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/obama_monkey_nigger.jpg | Jan 13 15:54 |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 13 15:54 |
| Jose_X | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/24/michelle-obama-photo-goog_n_368760.html | Jan 13 15:55 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Michelle Obama Pictures UPDATE: Offensive Image REMOVED, Google 'SORRY' (PHOTO) .::. Size~: 285.29 KB | Jan 13 15:55 |
| Jose_X | >> The image was previously removed by Google on the grounds that the site hosting the Michelle Obama picture "violated Google's guidelines by serving malware to visitors," SearchEngineLand writes. | Jan 13 15:56 |
| Jose_X | Now, however, the offensive photo has been posted to another site that does not violate Google rules. | Jan 13 15:56 |
| Jose_X | however | Jan 13 15:56 |
| Jose_X | a google search for "site:0hot-girls.blogspot.com" yields nothing | Jan 13 15:56 |
| Jose_X | despite that website clearly existing http://0hot-girls.blogspot.com/ | Jan 13 15:57 |
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| Jose_X | otoh, the website might be parked domain (i don't know but i just see ads basically) | Jan 13 15:58 |
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| Will_ | schestowitz: Thought this might interest you: http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/01/13/0328221/Organ-Damage-In-Rats-From-Monsanto-GMO-Corn?art_pos=5 | Jan 13 15:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Science Story | Organ Damage In Rats From Monsanto GMO Corn .::. Size~: 171.9 KB | Jan 13 15:59 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Next Commissioner Michel Barnier said a central patent court EU is a top priority (in order to get case law on software patents) | Jan 13 16:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] EPO software patents coming to Montenegro now: http://i5.be/air | Jan 13 16:13 | |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: do you agree with censoring "hate speech" and neo-nazi stuff? | Jan 13 16:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Next EU Commissioner Michel Barnier (Sarkozy proxy) just mentioned ACTA as a better way to fight piracy #acta | Jan 13 16:27 | |
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| trmanco | http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/01/javascript-speedups-in-firefox-3-6/ | Jan 13 17:48 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sivavaid: Google and the China Syndrome: My general thoughts on Google in China: http://bit.ly/7zhApE | Jan 13 18:02 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: My general thoughts on Google in China (written long before the January showdown) (The Googlization of Everything) .::. Size~: 54.53 KB | Jan 13 18:02 |
| pawel_121 | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-06-11-021-35-OS-CY-0041 | Jan 13 18:08 |
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| pawel_121 | some mono bull | Jan 13 18:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @rmack: RT @globalvoices: Our page aggregating coverage of the Haiti earthquake is now up at http://bit.ly/85TFw4 #haiti | Jan 13 18:19 | |
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| schestowitz | Monsanto crap again.... | Jan 13 18:28 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna do a while week on them | Jan 13 18:28 |
| schestowitz | This is the department I'm trying to find out about post-doctoral positions in http://www.bwpi.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/JES/index.html | Jan 13 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | Too much time spent on it, less on BN | Jan 13 18:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that censorship is complicated | Jan 13 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Google does what shareholder wants at the end, all things considered | Jan 13 18:29 |
| MinceR | which is to be expected | Jan 13 18:29 |
| MinceR | sticking a "Do No Evil" label on it doesn't make it any less evil | Jan 13 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Do know evil? | Jan 13 18:31 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 13 18:31 |
| MinceR | from the inside? | Jan 13 18:31 |
| pawel_121 | and here: | Jan 13 18:34 |
| pawel_121 | http://www.jprl.com/Blog/archive/development/mono/2009/Jan-19.html | Jan 13 18:34 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Srikeit: Nishant Shah talks abt the #wikiwars conference & #wikipedia in general in a podcast by @livemint http://tinyurl.com/ydcspy6 | Jan 13 18:37 | |
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| pawel_121 | those mono morons make me sick | Jan 13 18:37 |
| schestowitz | pawel_121: it's old | Jan 13 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Pre-TomTom | Jan 13 18:38 |
| pawel_121 | schestowitz: ok | Jan 13 18:38 |
| pawel_121 | schestowitz: it's sad nobody commented there before ;) | Jan 13 18:39 |
| pawel_121 | posted a comment* | Jan 13 18:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Manual Begins to be Revealed, #Linux Mint 8.0 Reviewed http://ur1.ca/jq5i http://ur1.ca/jq5j | Jan 13 18:46 | |
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| schestowitz | pawel_121: maybe better | Jan 13 18:49 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mobile #Linux Advanced by #Qualcomm , Intel, Others http://ur1.ca/jq5l http://ur1.ca/jq5m http://ur1.ca/jq5n | Jan 13 18:50 | |
| schestowitz | It does not deserve attention | Jan 13 18:50 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Linux #Phones Surface at #CES2010 http://ur1.ca/jq5q http://ur1.ca/jq5r http://ur1.ca/jkud | Jan 13 18:51 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Edubook Sub-notebooks with #GNU #Linux (Puppy) Already Liked by Some http://ur1.ca/jq5u | Jan 13 18:53 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SANDcamp Created to Celebrate Free (Libre) CMS Software http://ur1.ca/jq60 #drupal | Jan 13 18:57 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #AirForce Relies on #FreeSoftware Developers at University of Nebraska http://ur1.ca/jq6a | Jan 13 18:58 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Role of #FreeSoftware Expected to Increase in 2010 http://ur1.ca/jq6d http://ur1.ca/jq6e http://ur1.ca/jq6f | Jan 13 18:59 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Counterfeiting in #Indonesia Under Fire, #GNU #Linux and #FreeSoftware a Solution http://ur1.ca/jq6q | Jan 13 19:02 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Facebook Pays #Apache a Token for Its Contribution to Facebook http://ur1.ca/jq6v http://ur1.ca/jq6w | Jan 13 19:03 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware #Multimedia Wins High Regards http://www.kelowna.com/2010/01/10/boxee-box-victorious-at-vegas-last-gadget-standing-contest/ | Jan 13 19:05 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Grows Very Rapidly, #Ogg Now Pushed by #Opera http://ur1.ca/jq7g http://ur1.ca/jq7h | Jan 13 19:05 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware in #Government : Australia, US, Jordan http://ur1.ca/jm5h http://ur1.ca/jq7k http://ur1.ca/jq7l | Jan 13 19:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #OpenAccess Journal, Jaron Lanier Attacks Openness for Profit! http://ur1.ca/jq7m http://ur1.ca/jq7n | Jan 13 19:06 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Programming : #Java and C++ Performance Compared http://www.developer.com/java/article.php/3856906/Java-vs-C-The-Performance-Showdown.htm | Jan 13 19:07 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Windows #Botnets Take #Baidu Offline http://ur1.ca/jq82 | Jan 13 19:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Wikileaks Explains What's Involved in Defending Civil Rights with Leaks http://ur1.ca/jq83 | Jan 13 19:09 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amazon Lies to 'Sell' #DRM -Laden Books (Licence to Hire) http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/12/even-amazon-cant-kee.html | Jan 13 19:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Infect #Education System, AP 'Steals' Stories http://ur1.ca/jq84 http://ur1.ca/jq85 | Jan 13 19:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #MAFIAA Wants More Power Over the #Internet in the UK http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/12/bpi_uk_takedowns/ | Jan 13 19:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The White-Collar Crime Known as "ACTA" Explained, Dissected http://ur1.ca/joo3 http://ur1.ca/jq8b | Jan 13 19:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Greedy Lawyers Want #SoftwarePatents , VC Firm Does Not http://ur1.ca/jq8e http://ur1.ca/jq8f http://ur1.ca/jq8g | Jan 13 19:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA Shuts Down Almost 400 Torrent Sites (Assumes Everything is Hollywood's) http://ur1.ca/jq8j | Jan 13 19:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reminder of Reasons to Use GNU/Linux: Ownership http://blogs.computerworld.com/15387/windows_goes_rental | Jan 13 19:12 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Pro Tip: Stepping out of the shower without styling hair, then putting on a wooly hat for the commute makes for stupid hair all day. #fb | Jan 13 19:25 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Pro Tip Addendum: Also ensure the hat isn't the _only_ thing you're wearing. #fb | Jan 13 19:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ubuntu listens! Free culture showcase now accepts additional file formats such as PDF and SVG for inclusion \o/ #fb http://bit.ly/MA5uX | Jan 13 19:43 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gates-backed GMO Goliath deserves more exposure, but not necessarily the exposure it wants http://ur1.ca/jr29 | Jan 13 20:38 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC admits it went too far in U2 tie-up | Media | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/yz729b6 | Jan 13 20:39 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wife in lounge watching Holby City downloaded from BBC iplayer on @Boxee.I'm in the kitchen watching the other online video service. :) #fb | Jan 13 20:40 | |
| oiaohm | http://penguininside.blogspot.com/2010/01/10-mistakes-linux-learners-should-avoid.html Great artical | Jan 13 20:40 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] lol talented Tores "the ball hit his backside but he did his best to control it" words paint an interesting picture #bbcfivelive | Jan 13 20:44 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “British Education” is #Microsoft Indoctrination http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/13/betca-for-microsoft-monopoly/ | Jan 13 20:44 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: “British Education” is Microsoft Indoctrination | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 92.56 KB | Jan 13 20:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Congressional hearings grill banking's biggest names | Business | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/ybeg7ps | Jan 13 20:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista Mobile 7 Likely Delayed One Year; #Vista7 Always Rented, Not Sold http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/13/win-mobile-7-delay-2011/ | Jan 13 20:53 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Vista Mobile 7 Likely Delayed One Year; Vista 7 Always Rented, Not Sold | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 90.49 KB | Jan 13 20:53 |
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| wallc_ | I finally installed the Chrome browser. Holy cow! It's so fast! And clean. I didn't think I'd like it, but I do (had to have adblock though) | Jan 13 20:59 |
| wallc_ | where is everyone today? It's tooo quiet here. | Jan 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | hey, wallc_ | Jan 13 21:01 |
| wallc_ | Hi! | Jan 13 21:01 |
| schestowitz | How are you? | Jan 13 21:01 |
| wallc_ | Did you see where mutex called me a BN guard dog? lol | Jan 13 21:01 |
| wallc_ | woof! | Jan 13 21:01 |
| wallc_ | :) | Jan 13 21:01 |
| schestowitz | It's a tactic they have | Jan 13 21:01 |
| wallc_ | Grrrr! | Jan 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | They do the same in USENET | Jan 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | The recipe is simple | Jan 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | There's a couple of them | Jan 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | First: | Jan 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Device and conquer goes like this: | Jan 13 21:02 |
| wallc_ | I know, but it seemed funny to call me a guard dog. | Jan 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | *Divide | Jan 13 21:02 |
| wallc_ | it made me laugh. | Jan 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Say, "this person is rational and OK and this friend of yours is crazy" | Jan 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | You then try to create friction by distancing a single faction into radical and less radical | Jan 13 21:03 |
| wallc_ | so...which one of us is the crazy one? | Jan 13 21:03 |
| schestowitz | I've seen it happen | Jan 13 21:03 |
| wallc_ | heh | Jan 13 21:03 |
| schestowitz | BUT... | Jan 13 21:03 |
| schestowitz | It needs to come from sockpuppets | Jan 13 21:03 |
| wallc_ | :) | Jan 13 21:03 |
| schestowitz | So the puppet will befriend one side | Jan 13 21:03 |
| schestowitz | And then attack the other fragment of the same side | Jan 13 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Like the wars you see in FOSS | Jan 13 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does that | Jan 13 21:03 |
| schestowitz | KNowingly | Jan 13 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Trolls do that too | Jan 13 21:04 |
| schestowitz | The second tactic: | Jan 13 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Insult and defamation | Jan 13 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | You call one side another side's "Dog" or "pet" or "dick sucker" or something | Jan 13 21:04 |
| wallc_ | I know. and i shouldn't have fed the troll, but sometimes us guard dogs gotta bark a little. :) | Jan 13 21:04 |
| schestowitz | THat leaves that side bashful and distances from the other | Jan 13 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Cause nobody wants to be "Dog" or "pet" or "dick sucker" | Jan 13 21:04 |
| wallc_ | hey, lighten up a little 'kay? | Jan 13 21:05 |
| wallc_ | :) | Jan 13 21:05 |
| wallc_ | woof. | Jan 13 21:05 |
| schestowitz | I'm lightened up | Jan 13 21:05 |
| schestowitz | I'm just explaining | Jan 13 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Watch out for these patterns | Jan 13 21:05 |
| wallc_ | i'm really just a chihuahua | Jan 13 21:05 |
| schestowitz | There's a good summary of trolls types... hold on | Jan 13 21:05 |
| wallc_ | stop...i know trolls when i see them. | Jan 13 21:06 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Common_Troll_Tactics | Jan 13 21:06 |
| wallc_ | they are easy to spot. | Jan 13 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but you need to know how to respond too | Jan 13 21:06 |
| schestowitz | They have ways of disrupting, that's their purpose | Jan 13 21:06 |
| wallc_ | did i say something wrong in my comment to him? | Jan 13 21:06 |
| wallc_ | ? | Jan 13 21:07 |
| oiaohm | Its getting harder and harder to start a war. | Jan 13 21:07 |
| wallc_ | a war with who (whom?) | Jan 13 21:08 |
| wallc_ | ? | Jan 13 21:08 |
| schestowitz | mutex | Jan 13 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Oh, wait. | Jan 13 21:09 |
| oiaohm | Its like the classic you see MS Sock puppets bring up. Linux Kernel Does not have a Stable Driver API. Yes I insult them for being idiots. Linux syscalls work from kernel space. Its just slower. | Jan 13 21:09 |
| schestowitz | I though wallc said that.. | Jan 13 21:09 |
| wallc_ | pfft...mutex lost the battle long ago... | Jan 13 21:09 |
| oiaohm | With all the complier differences interface to the Linux kernel are only stable once they become a syscall. | Jan 13 21:09 |
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| -christel-[Global Notice] Hi all, we are currently experiencing a "new sort of spam" -- where the spammer claims to be tunelling via HTTP POST and encourages you to visit a url. Visiting the URL opens another connecting via YOUR ip which spams further, we encourage you to NOT click the link to avoid being banned from channels or the network. Thank you. | Jan 13 21:10 | |
| oiaohm | I also note the MS sock puppets never talked about the lack of KMS and other key items required to make desktops work. | Jan 13 21:10 |
| oiaohm | Instead they would focus in on the applications. | Jan 13 21:11 |
| MinceR | they have no clue | Jan 13 21:11 |
| oiaohm | Ie applications cannot work well if the under frameworks don't work well. | Jan 13 21:11 |
| MinceR | actually desktops worked without KMS, just not so well :> | Jan 13 21:11 |
| oiaohm | I was meaning work as in work well. | Jan 13 21:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Mixed Source” and “Half Pregnant” http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/13/mixed-source-fail/ | Jan 13 21:13 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: “Mixed Source” and “Half Pregnant” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 91.28 KB | Jan 13 21:13 |
| oiaohm | Next most fun one was they would say it was about the applications. Then tell Linux people to drop X11. Hang on X11 was only around because of the applications. Yes loving to have there cake and eat it too. | Jan 13 21:13 |
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| wallc_ | well, i've been doing a marathon of transcribing Comes v MS pdfs for the last three days...my eyes are glazed. time to put the mouse down and step away from the keyboard...take care all. | Jan 13 21:17 |
| wallc_ | :) | Jan 13 21:17 |
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| amd-linux | hello roy, just want to let you know that I like your new Monsanto coverage. Monsanto is an ever greater threat to our freedom than the dying Microsoft dinosaur. Keep the good work on in 2010! | Jan 13 21:20 |
| oiaohm | Not just freedom. amd-linux. Monsanto could be a threat to our life. | Jan 13 21:23 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dangerous Fonts and #DMCA Takedown http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/13/dmca-and-fonts-flaw/ | Jan 13 21:24 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Eye on Microsoft: Dangerous Fonts and DMCA Takedown | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 88 KB | Jan 13 21:24 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: did you see the protests in Germany? | Jan 13 21:24 |
| schestowitz | 2009? | Jan 13 21:24 |
| schestowitz | RMS and zoobab were both there | Jan 13 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Actually, zoobab, were you there? | Jan 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, they make natural DNA extinct if not a dying breede | Jan 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | The world can end up contaminated with experimental DNA chains that are carcinogens | Jan 13 21:26 |
| amd-linux | protests regarding monsanto? recently? no, not aware of, but Greenpeace Germany is active wrt Monsanto | Jan 13 21:26 |
| schestowitz | You know why they 'donate' royalty-free to Africa? It's to further contaminate the seed supply | Jan 13 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if Mr. Gates is gullible or just a vicious ***** | Jan 13 21:26 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: hold on | Jan 13 21:27 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: http://66.102.9.132/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=cache%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.ffii.de%2Fwiki%2FAktionstagMuenchen090415&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | Jan 13 21:27 |
| schestowitz | FFII.de is down at the moment | Jan 13 21:28 |
| schestowitz | See http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/27/monsanto-programme/ | Jan 13 21:28 |
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| oiaohm | We still don't understand dna and other items well enough. | Jan 13 21:28 |
| oiaohm | It be messing with it too much. | Jan 13 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/igeneration/?tag=trunk;content "This year, likely February or maybe March, I’ll be going under for three weeks - not on here though, I’ll be having my laptop in hospital - as I undergo groundbreaking brain surgery to attempt to cure a neurological illness I’ve been lumbered with." | Jan 13 21:30 |
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| amd-linux | Ah, no, I was not there. No leasure time weekdays, as I am working in an industry that currently is under fire... :-) | Jan 13 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmm..... I was going to criticise him for something else, now I hesitate | Jan 13 21:30 |
| amd-linux | however, wrt Monsanto, I could puke. I will never understand the people who drive such companies. | Jan 13 21:30 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: you're a fire fighter? | Jan 13 21:30 |
| amd-linux | sort of :-) | Jan 13 21:31 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: watch the daily videos | Jan 13 21:31 |
| schestowitz | I will post over 8 | Jan 13 21:31 |
| schestowitz | If you think you're sick of them, you haven't seen anything yet | Jan 13 21:31 |
| schestowitz | They should be in prison, or the chair | Jan 13 21:31 |
| amd-linux | in Germany, the face stiff resistance with their tactics even in the current government | Jan 13 21:33 |
| amd-linux | because we have a strong rural influence especially here in Bavaria, and Monsanto has quite a bad reputation among farmers here | Jan 13 21:33 |
| amd-linux | they were denied tests for their patented genome manipulated crop here last year, as far as i remember | Jan 13 21:34 |
| amd-linux | so hopefully they will not be able to poison my country at least. | Jan 13 21:35 |
| amd-linux | Wish you guys a successful, healthy 2010 - keep it on! Good night. | Jan 13 21:35 |
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| DaemonFC | I wonder if Rapidshare Downloader works on Wine | Jan 13 21:38 |
| oiaohm | So far I not heard of anyone using it on wine. | Jan 13 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | it's a .Net application, so I'd need the Windows version of Mono in Wine if it was to work | Jan 13 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | it also embeds IE's Trident engine | Jan 13 21:39 |
| oiaohm | Depends if that is a pure .net application or not. | Jan 13 21:39 |
| oiaohm | O boy. | Jan 13 21:39 |
| oiaohm | Wine replacement to IE Trident is a alter version of gecko. | Jan 13 21:39 |
| oiaohm | Ie Firefox. | Jan 13 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | I wish more people would use MegaUpload | Jan 13 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | they don't make you wait 15 minutes between downloads | Jan 13 21:40 |
| oiaohm | So is about a 60 percent chance of working 35 percent chance of not working and about a 5 percent chance of doing something odd to the web site on the other end. | Jan 13 21:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] god i feel like poop. MAN FLU A GO GO. NewsTechnica will be delayed until i can write coherently. zzzz. | Jan 13 21:44 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theonion.com/content/news/gay_teen_worried_he_might_be | Jan 13 21:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Gay Teen Worried He Might Be Christian | The Onion - America's Finest News Source .::. Size~: 45.87 KB | Jan 13 21:48 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 13 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/4/41/Weather_Warm_Front.JPG | Jan 13 21:53 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 13 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, my rewrite of "Ubuntu" on Uncyclopedia has been refined a little by the community | Jan 13 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ubuntu | Jan 13 21:55 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ubuntu - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 54.41 KB | Jan 13 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | but most of it remains intact :) | Jan 13 21:55 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: did you read Monbiot on Avatar? | Jan 13 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | Netflix is coming to Wii | Jan 13 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | $8.99 a month for unlimited movies and tv shows it says | Jan 13 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | that sounds a lot better than Redbox even | Jan 13 22:23 |
| *DaemonFC enjoys the fruits of competition | Jan 13 22:23 | |
| schestowitz | Is Slashdot still news for geeks? | Jan 13 22:24 |
| schestowitz | It's advertising a monopolist again.....http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/01/13/150205/What-To-Expect-From-Windows-7-SP1 | Jan 13 22:24 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Technology Story | What To Expect From Windows 7 SP1 .::. Size~: 150.33 KB | Jan 13 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | Redbox DVDs tend to be smudged, scratched, sometimes even unplayable | Jan 13 22:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's run banner ads for MS for years | Jan 13 22:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they probably see it as Robin Hood'ing | Jan 13 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | you don't find that out til you get all the way home and have to call them to get a free rental credit | Jan 13 22:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: since it's an averse market :) | Jan 13 22:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: oh, articles on Windows -- yeah annoying. | Jan 13 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | the best things abotu Redbox are it's $1 per DVD and you can easily rip the DVD before you take it back | Jan 13 22:25 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* at Mr Weatherman | Jan 13 22:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | is there a Canadian equivalent of Netflix ? | Jan 13 22:26 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I haven't | Jan 13 22:26 |
| oiaohm | MS is hoping Windows 7 SP1 kick starts sales. | Jan 13 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: They might do business in Canada, I don't kno | Jan 13 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | *know | Jan 13 22:26 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: that's why I left /, two years ago | Jan 13 22:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ah! | Jan 13 22:27 |
| trmanco | what is netflix? | Jan 13 22:27 |
| schestowitz | I gave it a second shot this year (resolution) | Jan 13 22:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I took a multi-year break from /. as well | Jan 13 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: They probably want to get SP1 out as fast as they can even if it doesn't really make the OS that much better, just for the psychological effect of "SP1 is out, I can upgrade now" | Jan 13 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | just like Vista | Jan 13 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Didn't work for Vista | Jan 13 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Server 2008 R2 is the same core components of Windows 7 RTM | Jan 13 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | the RTM of Windows Server is usually SP1 of whatever the concurrent consumer WIndows is at | Jan 13 22:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Monbiot via http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/7724043012 | Jan 13 22:28 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and you may also like this: http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2009/12/noam-chomsky-on-the-coup-in-honduras.html | Jan 13 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | like, there was no SP1 for Windows Server 2003 or 2008 cause they were based on Windows XP SP1 and Windows Vista SP1 | Jan 13 22:28 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 3quarksdaily .::. Size~: 32.5 KB | Jan 13 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | they let the consumer version users suffer all the really awful problems and the customer experience improvement program spyware sends all that back to Microsoft | Jan 13 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | they fix it in SP1, and release Server based on that | Jan 13 22:29 |
| oiaohm | The disappear of upgrade versions is being interesting. | Jan 13 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that they only consider Windows 7 a base for an R2 release of Windows Server 2008 is funny | Jan 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: funny one, that Onion piece | Jan 13 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | admitting right there that there's no major differences in Vista and 7 | Jan 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | It could also say "Islam" instead of "Christianity" | Jan 13 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I've been having those strange attractions to Leviticus that I just can't explain | Jan 13 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know how to tell mom | Jan 13 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 13 22:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm | Jan 13 22:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | start worrying when you make a Leviticus rap | Jan 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Go Google... http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/13/1322225/Googlecn-Has-Already-Lifted-Censorship | Jan 13 22:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Google.cn Has Already Lifted Censorship .::. Size~: 154.55 KB | Jan 13 22:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | anyone watching GOOG? | Jan 13 22:32 |
| *FurnaceBoy goes to see | Jan 13 22:32 | |
| FurnaceBoy | in any contest between google and the chinese govt, i have my money on the latter | Jan 13 22:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | after all, not even the Dalai Freaking Lama can beat them :) so what hope has Google got :) | Jan 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz | I've been out or on the phone a lot of the day. Just catching up with BN now. Any major news missed?? | Jan 13 22:33 |
| *schestowitz sympathises with China | Jan 13 22:33 | |
| oiaohm | Dalai Lama China goverment could not let win. Thinking in the past his title was basically a ruler of an area. | Jan 13 22:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: I know :( | Jan 13 22:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i think the key point as was raised in this chan is, Google needs to come clean about all its other censored jurisdictions | Jan 13 22:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: to have any credibility on open-ness | Jan 13 22:34 |
| oiaohm | Yet China did not defeat him completely either. | Jan 13 22:34 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yes | Jan 13 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft too | Jan 13 22:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you made the point yourself iirc and it's a very important one | Jan 13 22:35 |
| oiaohm | Google when they agreed to censorship at the time they stated why. | Jan 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz | !google microsoft china censorship 'bug' | Jan 13 22:35 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Microsoft “Bug” Results in Chinese Censorship | - Kingpin SEO ... | http://www.kingpin-seo.co.uk/webmaster-magazine/microsoft-%25E2%2580%259Cbug%25E2%2580%259D-results-in-chinese-censorship/01232 | Jan 13 22:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: well, they have zero credibility. google is like obama -- he pretends. | Jan 13 22:35 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Microsoft and Chinese Censorship - Nicholas D. Kristof Blog ... | http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/microsoft-and-chinese-censorship/ | Jan 13 22:35 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Bing Accused of Censoring Simplified Chinese Language Searches | http://mashable.com/2009/11/21/bing-chinese-queries/ | Jan 13 22:35 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Bing Censoring Chinese Search Results? Should There Be A Bing Boycott? | http://searchengineland.com/bing-censoring-chinese-search-results-should-there-be-a-bing-boycott-30322 | Jan 13 22:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | should there be a Bing boycott. heh. | Jan 13 22:35 |
| oiaohm | MS never has stated any conditions they required to cenor for china. | Jan 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: their Obama is Marrisa Meyer/Mayer | Jan 13 22:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: MS isn't expected to pay even lip service to open-ness or "not being evil" either | Jan 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft also censors apple and linux | Jan 13 22:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | hahahahahhaha | Jan 13 22:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's called "fairly competing" lolz | Jan 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz | They censor for competitive reasons, not the govt's competition | Jan 13 22:36 |
| oiaohm | Issue for google is the conditions they have layed down were breached. Now either by china goverment or by rouge hackers in china. Either way China Goverment is responsable to clean it up. | Jan 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz | They should be slapped with more fines | Jan 13 22:36 |
| oiaohm | Even China own local search engine was hacked. | Jan 13 22:37 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: Microsoft made that "X principles" document........ | Jan 13 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Fluff | Jan 13 22:37 |
| oiaohm | So there is a big cracker problem in china at moment. | Jan 13 22:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes | Jan 13 22:37 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: China has army of tens of thousands of greyhats | Jan 13 22:37 |
| schestowitz | You have to keep them occupied | Jan 13 22:38 |
| oiaohm | If it was army china is not going to admit it. | Jan 13 22:38 |
| schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/law-firm-it-director-discovers-open-source | Jan 13 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | Shame it's written by the minion who attacked me | Jan 13 22:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | GOOG seems to be battered by this incident | Jan 13 22:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: of course they won't admit it. | Jan 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Credibility loss | Jan 13 22:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why should they? they're inscrutable! and shall remain s | Jan 13 22:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | so | Jan 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | But Moglen warned about this | Jan 13 22:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: do they have any?? | Jan 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | 2.0 nonsense | Jan 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | !google o'reilly crass tongue lashing | Jan 13 22:39 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - My Tongue-Lashing from Eben Moglen - O'Reilly Radar | http://radar.oreilly.com/2007/08/my-tonguelashing-from-eben-mog.html | Jan 13 22:39 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - How Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly ... | http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/88493/how_ann_coulter_rush_limbaugh_sean.html | Jan 13 22:39 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - CNN.com - Clooney, O'Reilly spar over tsunami telethon - Jan 10, 2005 | http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/10/oreilly.clooney/index.html | Jan 13 22:39 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Anatomy of a Smear | http://www.foxbghsuit.com/Link32.html | Jan 13 22:39 |
| oiaohm | GOOG was hurt a lot worse from a lot other events. | Jan 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: oh noes! this cloud thing is risky... go back to clicking attachments in Outlook....... | Jan 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Big-Shot-OpenShot-Video-Editor-Version-1.0-Released | Jan 13 22:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Big Shot: OpenShot Video Editor Version 1.0 Released - Linux Magazine Online .::. Size~: 30.64 KB | Jan 13 22:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: :) | Jan 13 22:42 |
| oiaohm | I did have a real problem recenty. | Jan 13 22:42 |
| oiaohm | A ISP malfunctioned and google was not accessable. | Jan 13 22:42 |
| oiaohm | We were getting report after reports that the internet was not working. | Jan 13 22:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/12/AR2010011203024_pf.html | Jan 13 22:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google threatens to leave China after attacks on activists' e-mail .::. Size~: 31.51 KB | Jan 13 22:43 |
| oiaohm | Seamed people had the idea that google was the complete internet. | Jan 13 22:43 |
| schestowitz | In Firefox, toolbar is Google | Jan 13 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Unless it begins with http/s | Jan 13 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Oops | Jan 13 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Not toolbar | Jan 13 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Address bar, unless you use the search bar of Googlebar/s too | Jan 13 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Shame: http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/business/0,39044229,62060486,00.htm?scid=rss_z_nw | Jan 13 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Yahoo sells Zimbra to VMware : News : Business - ZDNet Asia .::. Size~: 53.25 KB | Jan 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Look what g@@gle did.... http://lwn.net/Articles/367879/ | Jan 13 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: EtherPad source code is free, now what? [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 29.71 KB | Jan 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | It's a mixed bag | Jan 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | They killed development | Jan 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | But liberated it | Jan 13 22:48 |
| oiaohm | Hmm | Jan 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | SOmeone needs to adopt this potential orphan | Jan 13 22:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/01/12/business-netbook-hp-mini-5102-with-suse-linux/ | Jan 13 22:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: HP Mini 5102 Shipping With SUSE Enterprise 11 | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 46.6 KB | Jan 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Friedman leaving is a huge blog to SUSE | Jan 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz | If Greg K-H defected like Cox, that would be massive | Jan 13 22:49 |
| oiaohm | Google is planing to intergrate EtherPad idea with wave. | Jan 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jan 13 22:49 |
| schestowitz | That would be the obbvious reason to buy it | Jan 13 22:50 |
| oiaohm | Yes some project die it the way of the world. | Jan 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | And then the open-sourcing is OK, case Wave is open sourced (free software?) | Jan 13 22:50 |
| schestowitz | What will Wave's licence be? | Jan 13 22:50 |
| oiaohm | Wave is open source even the server to put up your own wave server. | Jan 13 22:51 |
| oiaohm | EtherPad and Wave could not intergrate while EtherPad was closed. | Jan 13 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.technewsworld.com/story/69099.html | Jan 13 22:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Technology News: Malware: Facebook Partners With McAfee to Chase Out the Rats It Let In .::. Size~: 66.96 KB | Jan 13 22:51 |
| oiaohm | Google does respect licences. | Jan 13 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | McAfee gets to spy on you if Facebook detects you have a virus | Jan 13 22:52 |
| oiaohm | At long last. | Jan 13 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Biggest problem with facebook you detect a virus on there site it somes takes them a year to take it down. | Jan 13 22:53 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully this Partner up sees the responce time improve. | Jan 13 22:53 |
| schestowitz | if {useragent="Linux"}, then break; | Jan 13 22:53 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: "Hmm. Odd release. Something like 40% of the patches are in DRM (mostly nouveau and radeon, both staging, so it's a bit less scary than it sounds. But there's a noticeable i915 component too). That's all pretty unusual, afaik." | Jan 13 23:00 |
| schestowitz | http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/1/13/19 | Jan 13 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | is this direct rendering? | Jan 13 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | Google stock hasn't even really been affected over the China thing | Jan 13 23:01 |
| schestowitz | after amarsh04 had told me what radeonhd guys said, it could be either type | Jan 13 23:01 |
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| schestowitz | maybe GOOG is balanced by good news: | Jan 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/advertising_search/bings_dip_could_be_a_blip_or_oncoming_trouble.html | Jan 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Bong down | Jan 13 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Says a Microsoft partner | Jan 13 23:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Watch - Advertising & Search - Bing's Dip Could Be A Blip, Or Oncoming Trouble .::. Size~: 39.91 KB | Jan 13 23:04 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Change in the tide. | Jan 13 23:04 |
| oiaohm | For years Linux kernel saw almost no patches linked to graphics. | Jan 13 23:05 |
| oiaohm | There is even dri 2.2 coming with proper swap buffer support. | Jan 13 23:08 |
| oiaohm | That should allow wine to get rid of a stack of hacks. | Jan 13 23:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 13 23:10 |
| *FurnaceBoy uses radeon driver, dri, and sometimes wine | Jan 13 23:10 | |
| oiaohm | There is also a lot of performance work and experments going on as well with the Linux kernel. | Jan 13 23:13 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no more adverts :-) | Jan 13 23:17 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: but is this drm in the graphics sense? | Jan 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/20/radeonhd-vs-drm/ | Jan 13 23:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: “DRM is Probably 70% of the Complication in Supporting Open Source” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 106.88 KB | Jan 13 23:18 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: http://www.itrunsonlinux.com/news/152-wine-1136-available | Jan 13 23:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.junauza.com/2010/01/15-cool-and-funny-linux-t-shirts.html | Jan 13 23:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: 15 Cool and Funny Linux T-shirts | TECH SOURCE FROM BOHOL .::. Size~: 101.4 KB | Jan 13 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Hahahaha. http://tuxradar.com/content/mozilla-believes-free-porn | Jan 13 23:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mozilla believes in... free porn? | TuxRadar Linux .::. Size~: 15.38 KB | Jan 13 23:21 |
| schestowitz | "Of course if you live in Australia you will no longer be able to access the Mozilla site because of the cle[MESSAGE REDACTED]" | Jan 13 23:21 |
| oiaohm | Yes DRM in graphics sense. schestowitz | Jan 13 23:22 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Direct Rendering Management. Linux world was using that before other DRM appeared. | Jan 13 23:23 |
| oiaohm | If its Digital Rights Management in Linux kernel its call TPM. | Jan 13 23:23 |
| oiaohm | Trust Protection Management. So to Linux kernel developers there is no confusion schestowitz | Jan 13 23:24 |
| schestowitz | http://draketo.de/light/english/automatic-updates-gentoo-gnulinux | Jan 13 23:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Automatic updates in Gentoo GNU/Linux | Zwillingssterns Weltenwald .::. Size~: 19.12 KB | Jan 13 23:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: there was confusion in the radeonhd hackers group | Jan 13 23:25 |
| oiaohm | radeonhd is not mainline kernel developers. | Jan 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | This one will be of interest to wallclimber: http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/getting-started-with-scribus/ | Jan 13 23:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Getting started with Scribus | Linux User .::. Size~: 30.33 KB | Jan 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I should mail it to hr | Jan 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | *her | Jan 13 23:26 |
| oiaohm | The rules of mainline are strict on what things are called. Ie DRM mainline only means one thing. Using it for Digital Right Management will get you skinned alive. | Jan 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: could be one day | Jan 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | If it's free, then same treatment as nouveau... | Jan 13 23:27 |
| oiaohm | No radeonhd is offically a dead on. | Jan 13 23:28 |
| oiaohm | radeon core driver has the full support of AMD. | Jan 13 23:28 |
| oiaohm | on/end | Jan 13 23:28 |
| oiaohm | Ok retype line. No radeonhd is offically a dead end. | Jan 13 23:28 |
| schestowitz | http://openattitude.com/2010/01/12/my-favourite-linux-podcast/ | Jan 13 23:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: My favourite Linux podcast. | Open attitude. .::. Size~: 16.87 KB | Jan 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: some said so | Jan 13 23:29 |
| schestowitz | http://soltesza.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/tegra-2-supports-ubuntu-linux/ | Jan 13 23:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Tegra 2 supports Ubuntu Linux « sola's blog .::. Size~: 14 KB | Jan 13 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Its currently tech behind the main radeon driver. | Jan 13 23:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: I can vouch for radeon. it's the only way i can get current xorg+dri on my Radeon 1650 Pro | Jan 13 23:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: ATI unfortunately don't support 2007 model cards !! already out of fglrx | Jan 13 23:30 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Jan 13 23:30 |
| oiaohm | Amd support Novell to make radeonhd was while to build the driver you need NDA. | Jan 13 23:30 |
| oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: that is AMD plan. | Jan 13 23:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: i used radeonhd for a while but.. it wouldn't give me dri on xorg | Jan 13 23:31 |
| oiaohm | fglrx will mostly cease to exist at some point FurnaceBoy | Jan 13 23:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: right, it sucks. :| | Jan 13 23:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: oh | Jan 13 23:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: thx for the info. seems I am on the right track with 'radeon' then | Jan 13 23:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://www.packtpub.com/article/modeling-shading-texturing-lighting-compositing-soda-can-blender-2.49-1 | Jan 13 23:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Modeling, Shading, Texturing, Lighting, and Compositing a Soda Can in Blender 2.49: Part 1 .::. Size~: 46.73 KB | Jan 13 23:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: blender doing soda cans, while the competition does: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7decRzBkB0A&feature=related | Jan 13 23:32 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Mudbox 2009 New rendering features .::. Size~: 120.68 KB | Jan 13 23:32 |
| oiaohm | Every time the open source driver processes better support than the fglrx. That model will get removed from the fglrx driver. ie death by 1000 cuts FurnaceBoy | Jan 13 23:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: my model is already gone from fglrx | Jan 13 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Due to the way DRI2 works. There still maybe a few closed source addons that sit in user space. | Jan 13 23:33 |
| oiaohm | After fglrx is no more. | Jan 13 23:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 13 23:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: in particular it was nice to see the video playback speedups when i moved to radeon | Jan 13 23:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: still need some flv accel to be in perfect heaven :):) | Jan 13 23:35 |
| oiaohm | radeon open source driver is not fully complete yet. | Jan 13 23:35 |
| oiaohm | Full galuim3d intergration has to come yet. | Jan 13 23:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | is there a twitter feed for it? | Jan 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Solution-for-SSL-TLS-design-weakness-in-sight-902887.html | Jan 13 23:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Solution for SSL/TLS design weakness in sight - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.13 KB | Jan 13 23:37 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: use Phoronix | Jan 13 23:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg3NQToday: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg3Mw | Jan 13 23:37 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: [Phoronix] New EGL Gallium3D State Tracker Pushed .::. Size~: 16.14 KB | Jan 13 23:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: [Phoronix] Gallium3D Feature Levels Plotted, Discussed .::. Size~: 15.42 KB | Jan 13 23:38 |
| oiaohm | Basically Linux is getting a working graphics stack. | Jan 13 23:38 |
| schestowitz | http://209.85.229.132/search?hl=en-GB&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.pwnage.ca%2F%3Fp%3D561&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Jan 13 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: nice interview | Jan 13 23:50 |
| _goblin | thanks | Jan 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz | I've just noticed it | Jan 13 23:50 |
| _goblin | nice chap | Jan 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz | He's still shooting clips | Jan 13 23:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/30436/1066/ | Jan 13 23:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/12/star_trek_sequel/ | Jan 13 23:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Star Trek to boldly go (again) • The Register .::. Size~: 28.16 KB | Jan 13 23:51 |
| _goblin | Ive started the year well, with almost 1000 uips a day..... | Jan 13 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | You have subscribers | Jan 13 23:57 |
| schestowitz | I was among the first :-) | Jan 13 23:57 |
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