| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/187045/text_donations_raise_millions_for_haiti_earthquake_relief.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 17 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | "Alibaba Group, the owner of Yahoo China, rejected as "reckless" a Yahoo statement supporting Google's stance in the country, after Google said it was hit by cyberattacks from China and may cease business there." http://www.pcworld.com/article/187060/alibaba_calls_yahoos_support_of_google_reckless.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 17 00:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Alibaba Calls Yahoo's Support of Google 'reckless' - PC World .::. Size~: 63.56 KB | Jan 17 00:05 |
| schestowitz | http://tribes.tribe.net/renfairehistorysnobs/thread/c6091923-27e4-438c-ac8e-0e28d596b85d#402bb8f2-e567-471b-9fad-6ed5551c4f2e | Jan 17 00:06 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Kage Baker of the GreenMan Inn call f... - Ren Faire History Snobs - tribe.net .::. Size~: 36.89 KB | Jan 17 00:06 |
| schestowitz | tessier__: seen this yet? http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/space/01/15/nasa.shuttle.cocaine/ | Jan 17 00:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: NASA finds cocaine in shuttle hangar - CNN.com .::. Size~: 43.09 KB | Jan 17 00:08 |
| schestowitz | They must have wanted to get HIGH | Jan 17 00:08 |
| MinceR | "you wanna get high?" | Jan 17 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Towelly? | Jan 17 00:12 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 17 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Who comes after T'so? http://www.linux.com/news/enterprise/biz-enterprise/277328:linux-foundation-cto-leaves-for-google | Jan 17 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Hype term alert: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13526_3-10433783-27.html | Jan 17 00:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Nutsie brings iTunes to Android via the cloud | Digital Noise: Music and Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 95.08 KB | Jan 17 00:16 |
| schestowitz | "Matt Rosoff is an analyst with Directions on Microsoft, where he covers Microsoft's consumer products and corporate news. " | Jan 17 00:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7672/1.html | Jan 17 00:17 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Make Firefox a Productivity Powerhouse | Linux Magazine .::. Size~: 48.22 KB | Jan 17 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Zonker is not writing much about his employer recently | Jan 17 00:17 |
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| schestowitz | Sascha Manns: "I'm an openSUSE Community & Support Manager, OpenSUSE Ambassador and in the OpenSUSE Marketing Team. " | Jan 17 00:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linux.com/distrocentral/distroblogs/277006:toomanytabs-saves-your-memory | Jan 17 00:19 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: T'so to google is part of the Linux foundation perminate job program. | Jan 17 00:20 |
| oiaohm | T'so location will be filled in the Linux foundation by another developer who currently does not have a full time employee to work on Linux. | Jan 17 00:21 |
| tessier__ | schestowitz: Yeah, saw it. Weird. | Jan 17 00:21 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I know, but who might it be? | Jan 17 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Novell used to have Markus in it | Jan 17 00:26 |
| oiaohm | There is a long list of about 1000 to choose from schestowitz. | Jan 17 00:27 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of subsystem maintainers in Linux at moment who are not full time. | Jan 17 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Every time one of those slots open up who gets it next is decided by mixture of things. | Jan 17 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Really I would not mind seeing like the head of the open source nvidia driver get it. | Jan 17 00:29 |
| oiaohm | Ie tradition says the holder of T'so possition controls subsystem. T'so was filesystems. | Jan 17 00:30 |
| oiaohm | http://www.phoromatic.com/kernel-tracker.php Check over the last month. One of the alterations there has giving appache one hell of a speed increase | Jan 17 00:36 |
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| rnb | hello | Jan 17 00:36 |
| rnb | i am currently idle because DYNDNS IS EVIL | Jan 17 00:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: hungary: http://blog.init.hr/?p=73 | Jan 17 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/6951/1/ | Jan 17 00:38 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i think that's actually croatia, not hungary :> | Jan 17 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Yes it getting sad when development branch fedora is out doing Ubuntu. | Jan 17 00:39 |
| schestowitz | http://insidesocal.com/click/2010/01/need-to-fsck-a-fat-filesystem.html | Jan 17 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: oh, why HR? | Jan 17 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Horror? | Jan 17 00:41 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: Hrvatska | Jan 17 00:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 17 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Has Microsoft silently killed Surface in partical terms? | Jan 17 00:46 |
| schestowitz | They no longer even advertise it | Jan 17 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft should bring back Surface | Jan 17 00:47 |
| schestowitz | We should petition them | Jan 17 00:47 |
| schestowitz | "Waste more money! Bring back Surfazune!" | Jan 17 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Surface was over priced. | Jan 17 00:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2822745240.html?kc=rss | Jan 17 00:50 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux job site launches .::. Size~: 39.73 KB | Jan 17 00:50 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: esp. if no-one buys | Jan 17 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Imagine a factory that's build-on-demand | Jan 17 00:51 |
| oiaohm | 15000 a unit schestowitz | Jan 17 00:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why don't sugar packs here say whether they're GM-free or GM-infelcted? | Jan 17 00:51 | |
| schestowitz | Surface at Dell is like salad at McDonalds | Jan 17 00:51 |
| oiaohm | For something that is max 3000 dollars of parts. | Jan 17 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Ie if you got the parts retail. | Jan 17 00:51 |
| schestowitz | "Sound the alarms!!! Someone asked for a salad... we need to break the production line and go make a salad" | Jan 17 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Don't joke. salads are sold in McDonalds at least here. | Jan 17 00:52 |
| MinceR | here too | Jan 17 00:52 |
| oiaohm | Biggest issue with Surface is MS did not allow third parties to make it. And with anything MS makes themselves is insanely over priced one way or the other. | Jan 17 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Xbox games large percentage of that money goes to MS. | Jan 17 00:54 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4988 "Veghte (with whom I spoke briefly by phone today) said he had been looking for a new job at Microsoft doing something new. That would be challenging, given he’s done everything from field sales, to working on CE, Office and Windows Server. In the end, after meeting with CEO Steve Ballmer, he decided to leave the company and seek a position elsewhere. He said he currently doesn’t have a | Jan 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | job and is open to considering a variety of opportunities." | Jan 17 00:57 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Windows veteran Veghte quits Microsoft | All about Microsoft | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 101.29 KB | Jan 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer drove him out | Jan 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | "Bing!! Say Bing!!" | Jan 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I know | Jan 17 00:57 |
| schestowitz | When I was 17 I worked at Burger Kind and we sold salad too | Jan 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | /Kind/King/ | Jan 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | They were not so "Kind" to customers | Jan 17 00:58 |
| oiaohm | I guess australia MinceR? | Jan 17 00:58 |
| schestowitz | RROD is coming up for Xbox | Jan 17 00:59 |
| schestowitz | You're playing an xbox360 buyer | Jan 17 00:59 |
| oiaohm | McDonalds here got into trouble for not having anything in the main menu that supported people who were alleric to wheet. | Jan 17 00:59 |
| schestowitz | You play the character that plays xbox and every so often the xbox in the xbox breaks down | Jan 17 01:00 |
| oiaohm | Even subway here also has to provide a salad option. | Jan 17 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Then you have to make the character get up and shoot the Microsoft reps with RPGs and stuff ;-) | Jan 17 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Then you get a new unit | Jan 17 01:00 |
| schestowitz | And the game is won when you manage to get a refund and buy a Wii | Jan 17 01:01 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: hungary | Jan 17 01:01 |
| MinceR | and subway provides salads here too, but i didn't find it surprising at all | Jan 17 01:01 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Subway already makes salad inside wheat | Jan 17 01:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | found that copy'n'paste spyware. Tynt Insight. https://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/01/14/1818222 | Jan 17 01:01 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yep | Jan 17 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Same with McDonalds... and injected water with hormines-enhanced genetically modified thing they call "a cow" | Jan 17 01:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you even pick from a salad bar there... | Jan 17 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 17 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Preservatives? | Jan 17 01:02 |
| schestowitz | I was joking anyway | Jan 17 01:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i was referring to your subway comment | Jan 17 01:03 |
| schestowitz | But few people order salad in junk food chains | Jan 17 01:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: but "choose your preservative" is pretty cool. Hormone Menu. | Jan 17 01:03 |
| schestowitz | It's like going to the cinema for a meal (popcorn) | Jan 17 01:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | "I'll have the .. 130ppm E coli beef, please (yeah! let's celebrate!) .. with.. hmmm what hormone is on special today?" | Jan 17 01:03 |
| schestowitz | BGH | Jan 17 01:03 |
| schestowitz | With puss | Jan 17 01:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | truth in advertising | Jan 17 01:04 |
| schestowitz | It's the puss that gives it the taste | Jan 17 01:04 |
| MinceR | actually iirc Escherichia coli naturally occurs in the human intestine :> | Jan 17 01:04 |
| schestowitz | Gets those good germs in, y-know? | Jan 17 01:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | who knew that SHIT HAMBURGERS is literally true. | Jan 17 01:04 |
| oiaohm | It getting warped in http://mcdonalds.com.au/our-food/whats-in-it You now are starting here to get selection of beef. | Jan 17 01:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: what's in it | our food | McDonald's Australia .::. Size~: 35.52 KB | Jan 17 01:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: watch Food Inc first :) | Jan 17 01:04 |
| schestowitz | FUD Inc. | Jan 17 01:05 |
| schestowitz | The History of Microsoft | Jan 17 01:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL | Jan 17 01:05 |
| *FurnaceBoy claps | Jan 17 01:05 | |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: should I try the veal? | Jan 17 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm..... | Jan 17 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Calf? | Jan 17 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Notice how we have different words for animals and dead animals? | Jan 17 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Chick->Egg | Jan 17 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Cow>Beef | Jan 17 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Dehumanising prey | Jan 17 01:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | Terrorist | Jan 17 01:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | Militant | Jan 17 01:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | Combatant | Jan 17 01:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | Insurgent | Jan 17 01:06 |
| schestowitz | FUD Inc., starring Uncle Fester Jr. | Jan 17 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmm...... | Jan 17 01:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] If Microsoft can’t charge for it you don’t get it? – BBC iPlayer & Xmas woe? http://tinyurl.com/y85t7bh #natal #microsoft #fail #xbox360 | Jan 17 01:07 | |
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| schestowitz | US soldiers in Bolivia....... | Jan 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Militant? Yes. | Jan 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Combatant? Same. | Jan 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Insurgent? I guess they were not invited... | Jan 17 01:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they like it best when sovereignty is uni-directional | Jan 17 01:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | in fact it's assumed. | Jan 17 01:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | so any objection to that idea.. invokes all kinds of dehumanising labels. | Jan 17 01:08 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: each country with mcdonalds have different menus and ingrendence. And it linked to what the country allows. | Jan 17 01:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | the very *idea* of a country that cannot be violated is unacceptable. | Jan 17 01:09 |
| oiaohm | We never have had the insane sized usa burgers here. | Jan 17 01:09 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: "they hate us cause we have MacDonalds" | Jan 17 01:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: uh, right. :) | Jan 17 01:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | don't get me started :D | Jan 17 01:10 |
| oiaohm | The funny part is if you want equal to USA supperised buggers you go to the conner store here and ask for a works bugger. | Jan 17 01:10 |
| oiaohm | And rememer to say hold the beetroot for USA people. | Jan 17 01:10 |
| oiaohm | they are kind put off by a bugger with beetroot | Jan 17 01:10 |
| schestowitz | "If only they let us give them democracy... where they need to vote for subservient regime... democratically" | Jan 17 01:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: und so weiter | Jan 17 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Meh. | Jan 17 01:12 |
| oiaohm | That is china yet USA people are still not happy schestowitz | Jan 17 01:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: you noticed? :) | Jan 17 01:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it says Exporting Democracy, not Exporting Happiness on the box of bombs | Jan 17 01:12 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, CHina too | Jan 17 01:12 |
| schestowitz | They take turn | Jan 17 01:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | and a zillion other tyrants. | Jan 17 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Used to be the French.. | Jan 17 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Most people like to forget that china is techincally a democracy. | Jan 17 01:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: quite so | Jan 17 01:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: uncountable tyrannies, they're all the bleedin' same | Jan 17 01:13 |
| schestowitz | What do you call someone who knows what's best for the world? Republican. | Jan 17 01:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: on China's box it says Exporting Crap | Jan 17 01:13 |
| schestowitz | The problem is to have Utopian views | Jan 17 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Where Utopia is imposed upon others by force, not discussion | Jan 17 01:14 |
| oiaohm | No FurnaceBoy it should read. Exporting heavly hidden toxic waste | Jan 17 01:15 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: probably more than anything you're wearing clothes from China and using their electonics too | Jan 17 01:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: that too. and poisoning themselves at the same time. | Jan 17 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Not furniture yet, it's expensive to transport | Jan 17 01:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: we have the swedes for illegally sourced, cruddily built, underpriced furniture. | Jan 17 01:15 |
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| oiaohm | We do get flat pack furniture from china here schestowitz | Jan 17 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Its what you call fill the free space on the ship stuff. | Jan 17 01:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | :( | Jan 17 01:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100115202648295 | Jan 17 01:17 |
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| FurnaceBoy | you don't want to inquire too closely where China and IKEA find their cheap timber. | Jan 17 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Ie flat pack furnture is used as packing inside shipping contains for other goods. | Jan 17 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Good old waste not want not at work there. You have to send shipping container with packing or full space that need packing with something that can be sold. | Jan 17 01:18 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the north of Asia | Jan 17 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | IKEA doesn't even exist around here | Jan 17 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Some goes your way too schestowitz | Jan 17 01:18 |
| schestowitz | It does here | Jan 17 01:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: the problem is underpricing and unethical sourcing... all greed-based | Jan 17 01:18 |
| schestowitz | Shareholders | Jan 17 01:18 |
| schestowitz | GDP | Jan 17 01:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | IKEA may actually be private? | Jan 17 01:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | Kamprad is an unethical sleazy a**hole | Jan 17 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Not all the furnature used as packing lives schestowitz | Jan 17 01:19 |
| schestowitz | If you have a problem with Shareholders, then you're a treasonous Marxist communist who should be exiled | Jan 17 01:19 |
| oiaohm | More distance it has to cover least ammount is usable. schestowitz | Jan 17 01:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: public/private, they behave the same anyway, just that private has less excuse | Jan 17 01:19 |
| schestowitz | The "Free market" system from Friedman is the best system ever, ever, ever | Jan 17 01:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | omg | Jan 17 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | please don't mention Friedman .. my blood pressure | Jan 17 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Bankers never cheat and debt is never a problem | Jan 17 01:20 |
| oiaohm | I have seen the result shipping contain that missed getting unloaded here in australia and did a world trip before getting back. Nothing used as packing matteral was sellable. | Jan 17 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: less liability | Jan 17 01:20 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: you're not a Friedmanite then, eh? | Jan 17 01:21 |
| *FurnaceBoy foams at the mouth | Jan 17 01:21 | |
| schestowitz | Schoooooooool of Chicagoi | Jan 17 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I've hated him since he led the cheerleading for iraq | Jan 17 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he hasn't changed | Jan 17 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: pure, 100%, uncut, ****head | Jan 17 01:21 |
| schestowitz | Imaginary invisible hands... [which were not really talked about by Adams as people are led to believe] | Jan 17 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you read Glenn Greenwald, right? he's also @ggreenwald on twitter | Jan 17 01:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: folllow that guy if you're not already :) | Jan 17 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | IKEA just kind of strikes me as a furniture store version of ALDI | Jan 17 01:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yep! both evil | Jan 17 01:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: if you see one in your neighbourhood, silver bullet, wooden stake, whatever is handy | Jan 17 01:23 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/7806040281 | Jan 17 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 17 01:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he's a fantastic columnist. | Jan 17 01:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ballsy | Jan 17 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | their beds look like hospital beds or something cheap for your kid who is going to grow out of it | Jan 17 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | all their stuff looks like I'd sit or lay on it and snap it in half | Jan 17 01:25 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yeah, they promote anarchy | Jan 17 01:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: not sure I agree with that :) | Jan 17 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Free markets, free military, free torture | Jan 17 01:25 |
| DaemonFC | and Big Lots has more durable looking sofas at around the same price | Jan 17 01:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he's actually in favour of criminal trials for bushites rather than show trials and summary executions! | Jan 17 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | there must be a bigger market in the UK for this crap, lol | Jan 17 01:26 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: it's a reference to news | Jan 17 01:26 |
| schestowitz | They want to infiltrate online group | Jan 17 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Intervention with opinions | Jan 17 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | looks like bargain basement furniture that breaks right away | Jan 17 01:26 |
| schestowitz | WHich I thought was funny | Jan 17 01:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: oh, yeah, i cited that in here today | Jan 17 01:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Cass Sunstein link | Jan 17 01:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no, it's high quality | Jan 17 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Couldn't be worse than furniture from the Fall-Apart Supercenter | Jan 17 01:29 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 17 01:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, thats one of my more minor stories published and announced. Onto some of the more important matters.... | Jan 17 01:31 | |
| FurnaceBoy | but why would anyone expect better than rubbish?! | Jan 17 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, takes you five hours to assemble an IKEA dresser, lol | Jan 17 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | why not just go down to the used furniture store, and have them deliver it to you, whole? | Jan 17 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | save yourself hours of suffering | Jan 17 01:35 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: it sad here. But Aldi here has more Australian own product on shelfs then our Australian owned supper markets. | Jan 17 01:35 |
| oiaohm | As well as cheaper than the Australian owned supper markets. | Jan 17 01:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | as if cheaper were a virtue. | Jan 17 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | ALDI has mostly stuff made by American manufacturers, but they all use foreign imports for one thing or another that could have been grown here | Jan 17 01:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | how the heck did *that* idea become pervasive? | Jan 17 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | all their vegetables are from Mexico, just about | Jan 17 01:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and they should be | Jan 17 01:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I mean, grown in USA | Jan 17 01:36 |
| schestowitz | WHat's wrong with that? | Jan 17 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: When something is cheaper, there's usually a catch | Jan 17 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 17 01:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: of course. | Jan 17 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Suppression | Jan 17 01:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's usually UNDERPRICED. | Jan 17 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Workers | Jan 17 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Underpriced workforce | Jan 17 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | Impoverished lands... Amazon | Jan 17 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | cheaper usually means it was grown in some country with lower public health standards and it probably has some kind of parasites living in/on it | Jan 17 01:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: for example, the cost of goods from china doesn't address the real cost of yes paying workers properly, making them safely, making them safe, making them without polluting, and legally sourcing raw materials | Jan 17 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | those parasites get imported into the US and now we have them | Jan 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Dirty oil, like the one Gates invests in (BP in Nigeria) | Jan 17 01:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: therefore it is a complete error to buy goods from China | Jan 17 01:38 |
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| DaemonFC | over the years, we've had so many parasites hitch a ride into the US on foreign fruits and vegetables, it's not funny | Jan 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Too late | Jan 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Your consumption Chain is dpeendent | Jan 17 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | things we've never had a problem with before | Jan 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Shops won't stock the pricey stuff | Jan 17 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: of course | Jan 17 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Radio to last 1 year | Jan 17 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | two of them have settled here, Japanese Beetles and some kind of big flying ladybugs that bite | Jan 17 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | because some rich asshole save 1 cent per tomato or something | Jan 17 01:39 |
| oiaohm | Fruit and veg here is all australian at ALDI including frozen. But the frozen in our Australian owned supermarkets could be from anywhere. | Jan 17 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | the FDA doesn't inspect every container, they spot check like maybe 1 in 100 | Jan 17 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | that's why foreign pests and parasites end up getting into the USA | Jan 17 01:40 |
| oiaohm | Basically ALDI is slightly different coountry to country. | Jan 17 01:40 |
| tessier__ | Wow. I've only ever seen one ALDI supermarket here in the US. | Jan 17 01:41 |
| tessier__ | That was when I was growing up in Indiana | Jan 17 01:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | better hope they don't spread | Jan 17 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | ALDI is gross | Jan 17 01:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | that kind of franchise is perverse. | Jan 17 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | ALDI tries to sell expired food | Jan 17 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | leaves grapes on the shelves with mold | Jan 17 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's totally disgusting | Jan 17 01:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | why on earth do you need a german owned store selling you groceries that should have been grown around the corner | Jan 17 01:41 |
| tessier__ | FurnaceBoy: Because the stuff doesn't keep and most everything is seasonal | Jan 17 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: All supermarkets are doing it, but at least Walmart sells it fresh | Jan 17 01:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's like starbucks. what, you don't know how to make a freaking capuccino in your country? who needs starbucks in the way? | Jan 17 01:42 |
| tessier__ | It's always in season somewhere in the world but not around the corner. | Jan 17 01:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: no, i'm referring to Why Have Aldi At All | Jan 17 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | I've never pulled anything off the shelf and put it in my cart at Walmart | Jan 17 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart rotates the stock, ALDI does not | Jan 17 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | *anything expired | Jan 17 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | you go to ALDI< you better check the date on EVERYTHING you buy | Jan 17 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | piece by piece | Jan 17 01:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | better, close them down | Jan 17 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | they like to mix expired food in with good food so nobody will notice | Jan 17 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: I went to ALDI one day and started taking photos of all their stock that was bad | Jan 17 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | handed it to the county health department | Jan 17 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | ALDI got a $5,000 fine | Jan 17 01:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | excellent :) | Jan 17 01:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | but really, eventually they have to be eliminated | Jan 17 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't seen them selling bad stock at this store since the fine and the papers covered it | Jan 17 01:44 |
| *_goblin has quit ("Ex-Chat") | Jan 17 01:45 | |
| DaemonFC | I still won't shop there, but I've been in there since with people who insist they're getting a deal | Jan 17 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 17 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | cheap leathery meat maybe, packed full of salt and nitrites to make it stay good an unnaturally long time | Jan 17 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | but just ask yourself, why do I shop under a german storefront, in the USA? | Jan 17 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | what's the point? | Jan 17 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | who wins? | Jan 17 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's *groceries* | Jan 17 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | not that Walmart's meat is excellent though. I go to Walmart for everything but meat. | Jan 17 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | I got to Owens (Koriger) for the meat | Jan 17 01:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's not about the quality of the produce... really... | Jan 17 01:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's about WHY is Aldi even *there* | Jan 17 01:47 |
| oiaohm | Remember USA Aldi has USA managers. DaemonFC | Jan 17 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Cause they used to be cheaper than anywhere else | Jan 17 01:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: is that a reason? | Jan 17 01:47 |
| oiaohm | So its part a reflection of your own people DaemonFC | Jan 17 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart is about even with ALDI on the pricing though | Jan 17 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | but quality is better | Jan 17 01:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/14/uganda-backpedals-on-gay-law | Jan 17 01:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Uganda rows back on draconian anti-gay law after western outrage |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 71.5 KB | Jan 17 01:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: do people really think cheap trumps everything? that's just stupid. HOW did this idea become universal? | Jan 17 01:48 |
| schestowitz | According to your logic, the US should also invade Ugandu | Jan 17 01:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it never occurred to anyone that they gave up something? they never wonder WHY Aldi wants to be there? | Jan 17 01:48 |
| schestowitz | But they have no massive reserves of oil in Uganda | Jan 17 01:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: somehow i don't think gay rights is going to make much of a blip, diplomacy wise... :) | Jan 17 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: All people care about is getting the most groceries on their money or food stamps | Jan 17 01:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: euh | Jan 17 01:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: if they hadn't been seduced by CHEAP IS ALWAYS BEST then they might still have a functioning economy. | Jan 17 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | ALDI has two kinds of customers around here | Jan 17 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | the food stamp crowd | Jan 17 01:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: apart from turning a blind eye to franchise poisoning | Jan 17 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | rich people that are neurotic about saving money | Jan 17 01:50 |
| oiaohm | We have a different store for you food stamp crowd. | Jan 17 01:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it never occurred to them, that they would have a healthier LOCAL economy if they didn't shop at a GERMAN store? | Jan 17 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | everything in between usually goes to the real grocery store | Jan 17 01:50 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: everything near expirey gets sold in a particular store in town. | Jan 17 01:50 |
| oiaohm | At cost of nothing to anyone on wellfare | Jan 17 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: These people convert their home into a meth lab, and you want me to tell you what they're thinking? | Jan 17 01:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: hmmmmmm | Jan 17 01:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] they make a big deal about Muggles seeing a flying car, then a group of broomstick flyers buzz boats on the Thames without comment HP2 & HP5 | Jan 17 01:51 | |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: usa isn't fixable ? | Jan 17 01:51 |
| oiaohm | Ie waste not want not DaemonFC. Do you have stores over in the USA like that. | Jan 17 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Not as long as we have all these scumbags at the bottom listening to rap and making meth | Jan 17 01:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: what about the scumbags at the top? | Jan 17 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | they actually have a good chunk of buying power | Jan 17 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: They know that as long as people don't care where something is made, that they can continue to rape the United States to become uber-billionaires themselves | Jan 17 01:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: if they're making meth and still buying cheap groceries then they really aren't very good entrepreneurs | Jan 17 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | they do better and better as people get poorer and poorer | Jan 17 01:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the usa is raping itself by making stupid choices like allowing Aldi and China | Jan 17 01:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's not as if foreign franchises "just happen". they are allowed | Jan 17 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: They waste all the money they make by selling drugs | Jan 17 01:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: on what? SUVs and guns? | Jan 17 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | they still drive cars from buy here pay here lots | Jan 17 01:54 |
| schestowitz | It's not "USA" | Jan 17 01:54 |
| schestowitz | It's rich businesses | Jan 17 01:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right | Jan 17 01:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that completely answers my question :) | Jan 17 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Usually they aren't just making drugs | Jan 17 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | they're using as well | Jan 17 01:55 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: don't worry | Jan 17 01:55 |
| schestowitz | "Free market" doctrine | Jan 17 01:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no, i'm serious, it did. i just got distracted there for a minute. :) | Jan 17 01:55 |
| schestowitz | The market will sort itself out *LOL* | Jan 17 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it will | Jan 17 01:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right. :) | Jan 17 01:55 |
| schestowitz | When it collapses | Jan 17 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: The "justice" system is just a revolving door | Jan 17 01:55 |
| schestowitz | That'll sort itself out... like Rome | Jan 17 01:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I've noticed how that works out :) | Jan 17 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | they're in and out and in and out | Jan 17 01:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I'm on the same page | Jan 17 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | they gather a record to where they can't find legitimate work | Jan 17 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | so they sell drugs while they're out and get caught and go back to prison | Jan 17 01:56 |
| schestowitz | I think they play video games in UK prisons | Jan 17 01:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/13/guatemala-lawyer-youtube-suicide-conspiracy | Jan 17 01:56 |
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| DaemonFC | or if they're a woman, they'll usually find a man like that who will support them | Jan 17 01:56 |
| schestowitz | If you want to play shoot-em-up, then just shoot-em-up in real life | Jan 17 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | then one of them gets busted | Jan 17 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Then you get to shoot-em-up in a cell | Jan 17 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | the other one files divorce | Jan 17 01:57 |
| schestowitz | On a telly | Jan 17 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | it starts over again | Jan 17 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Marriages of convenience... | Jan 17 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | I won't say there's no such thing as rehabilitation, but it's the slim exception | Jan 17 01:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i'd prefer to hear that prisoners are building video games. | Jan 17 01:57 |
| schestowitz | One marries for pride/sex and the other marries a bank account | Jan 17 01:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: designing/coding/... | Jan 17 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | prison almost never rehabilitates people, it more often harden them | Jan 17 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Each side gets what it wanted | Jan 17 01:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: how frequent is rehabilitation for white collar crime? | Jan 17 01:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, then they go to UFC | Jan 17 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Venting out.... | Jan 17 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Never | Jan 17 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | They get out, find their stash of money in an offshore account | Jan 17 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | live the rest of life on that | Jan 17 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Robber barons | Jan 17 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | white collar crime is not punished | Jan 17 01:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | hehe | Jan 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/19202093 "The goal is freedom, not popularity." | Jan 17 01:59 |
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| schestowitz | It's white | Jan 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Like white lie | Jan 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Unless you're black | Jan 17 01:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | ...as sin | Jan 17 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Then you're assumed guilty | Jan 17 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | Bernard Madoff should have gone to a federal prison, not "Club Fed" | Jan 17 01:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you even bring earthquakes on yourself! (Robertson) | Jan 17 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | there shouldn't even be club fed | Jan 17 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | everyone should go to the same prison system | Jan 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: and 9/11 was caused by gays, says Falwel | Jan 17 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I remember | Jan 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | RMS made a remark on this | Jan 17 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | I think they should have sentences Bernard Madoff as a bank robber | Jan 17 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Something about liberal religion | Jan 17 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | *sentenced | Jan 17 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the scary part is, Cheney could easily have fabricated intelligence to prove it, if he would have gained... | Jan 17 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: bomb San Francisco makes exactly as much sense as invade Iraq | Jan 17 02:01 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/19159144 | Jan 17 02:01 |
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| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: There's a lot of Christians who wish they could blow up San Francisco | Jan 17 02:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I have no doubt. | Jan 17 02:02 |
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| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I've learned where there's an idiotic idea, there are a million adherents to it. | Jan 17 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | they regularly try to gun down gay bars and burn porn shops | Jan 17 02:02 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/19134639 | Jan 17 02:02 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jan 17 02:02 |
| schestowitz | lxoliva | Jan 17 02:02 |
| schestowitz | @jarcon @colindean !fsf !gnu and when your choices would harm your neighbor, it's not your freedom to make them | Jan 17 02:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 17 02:02 |
| schestowitz | People are trained not to think of peers | Jan 17 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | I never go to the bar unarmed | Jan 17 02:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB5NYme0Ptg | Jan 17 02:03 |
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| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that's very sad | Jan 17 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | if someone comes in there to commit terrorism, I intend to kill them before they get me | Jan 17 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: do local bars often suffer acts of terrorism? | Jan 17 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Typical Republican thinking, DaemonFC | Jan 17 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you might be overestimating the risk | Jan 17 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Acts of terrorism are RARE | Jan 17 02:03 |
| schestowitz | VERY rare | Jan 17 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no shit | Jan 17 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: It happens. | Jan 17 02:03 |
| schestowitz | You're like 100 times more likely to be run over | Jan 17 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it does? | Jan 17 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: around where you live?> | Jan 17 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | one shooting such as that happened just 40 miles from here | Jan 17 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: like, suicide bombers and stuff? | Jan 17 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | over in Ohio | Jan 17 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | back in 2006 | Jan 17 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: a terrorist shooting? | Jan 17 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Jan 17 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: are you sure it wasn't a "crime"? | Jan 17 02:04 |
| schestowitz | No!! TERROR~1! | Jan 17 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Everything is terrorism | Jan 17 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | it was a religiously motived crime | Jan 17 02:04 |
| schestowitz | "I am terrorism and so is my wife and kids" | Jan 17 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | killing several people, and injuring a few more | Jan 17 02:04 |
| schestowitz | !google schenier cheapening of terror | Jan 17 02:05 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Schneier on Security: The Continuing Cheapening of the Word ... | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/08/the_continuing_2.html | Jan 17 02:05 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Del Rey Online | The Zenith Angle by Bruce Sterling | http://www.randomhouse.com/delrey/catalog/display.pperl%3Fisbn%3D9780345460615%26view%3Dqa | Jan 17 02:05 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Think Progress » Obama abandons 'war on terror' catchphrase. | http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/31/obama-terror-catchphrase/ | Jan 17 02:05 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Peter Foster: Detroit's other terror attack - Full Comment | http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2010/01/12/peter-foster-detroit-s-other-terror-attack.aspx | Jan 17 02:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: sounds like a shooting, to me | Jan 17 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | the terrorism applies the same whether a Christian preacher told them to, or a Muslim cleric | Jan 17 02:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | the day I need a gun to feel safe, I move | Jan 17 02:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | emphasis on "feel" | Jan 17 02:05 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: but it terrorised DaemonFC | Jan 17 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say it's just as much terrorism either way | Jan 17 02:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: utterly | Jan 17 02:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: so i guess the tag is correct. | Jan 17 02:06 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: the day DaemonFC walks to a bar with a gun, I move to Africa | Jan 17 02:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: apparently it happens every time he goes out. | Jan 17 02:06 |
| schestowitz | He also carries a gun in the car | Jan 17 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | he left a letter detailing why he did it, and he said it's because his minister preached so much against gay people | Jan 17 02:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: *he* feels safe. never asked the people around him :) | Jan 17 02:06 |
| schestowitz | I'd dread it if the UK had a gun in every car/pocket | Jan 17 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | eventually it sticks and the minister can say "I never TOLD them to do that" | Jan 17 02:06 |
| schestowitz | In here, the weapon for the troublemaker is a broken glass bottle | Jan 17 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: then let's talk about the pro-Life ppl who express it my murdering doctors :) | Jan 17 02:07 |
| schestowitz | I can run fast :-) | Jan 17 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | by* | Jan 17 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: we get 90 murders a YEAR. I'm more likely to drown in the shower. | Jan 17 02:07 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: 3 years ago, 40 miles away | Jan 17 02:07 |
| schestowitz | wow! | Jan 17 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | Mexico had 96 in one day recently. | Jan 17 02:07 |
| schestowitz | That's like..... | Jan 17 02:07 |
| schestowitz | What? | Jan 17 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, How about a shoulder holster? | Jan 17 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 17 02:07 |
| schestowitz | 3 people per year in 40 mile radius? | Jan 17 02:08 |
| oiaohm | Dieing due to firearms is rare here. | Jan 17 02:08 |
| schestowitz | I bet 3000 dies there on the road and more died from cancer | Jan 17 02:08 |
| schestowitz | *Died | Jan 17 02:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it's rare in most of the civilised world | Jan 17 02:08 |
| oiaohm | You are more likely to die due to a get away driver hitting you. | Jan 17 02:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: very rare | Jan 17 02:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: so rare it's not a realistic concern | Jan 17 02:08 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: youre mortality risk in the US has to do with healthcare | Jan 17 02:08 |
| schestowitz | Not TERROR~1 | Jan 17 02:08 |
| oiaohm | Even that is rare. | Jan 17 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | in Indiana, you can get a carry permit, lifetime, for $150 | Jan 17 02:08 |
| schestowitz | Pay attention to what voters worry about most | Jan 17 02:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it's particularly rare because not everybody arms themselves for no reason. | Jan 17 02:08 |
| schestowitz | It's not people who "hide in caves" | Jan 17 02:09 |
| schestowitz | It's crooks who run a cartel on organs | Jan 17 02:09 |
| *FurnaceBoy should go write some code | Jan 17 02:09 | |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: hmmmmm Israel harvesting Arab organs. | Jan 17 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm not an organ donor | Jan 17 02:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: as in you don't ride a motorcycle? | Jan 17 02:10 |
| *FurnaceBoy ducks | Jan 17 02:10 | |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: no, bounties on life | Jan 17 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want my organs to save the life of someone who could get a procedure I'd be denied | Jan 17 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | so fuck em | Jan 17 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | let them die | Jan 17 02:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: wow. | Jan 17 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 17 02:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: this is how we pick the europeans from the americans here. | Jan 17 02:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC is a Daemon | Jan 17 02:10 |
| schestowitz | No news here | Jan 17 02:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: wow. wow. | Jan 17 02:10 |
| *FurnaceBoy should go write some code | Jan 17 02:11 | |
| schestowitz | Strutting with holster | Jan 17 02:11 |
| schestowitz | Mr. Trigger | Jan 17 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: If I died an organ donor, they'd harvest my eyes to save some spoiled brat who wrecked the sports car that mommy and daddy had gotten them, trying to impress people by doing stupid things | Jan 17 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | so no, I say let them die | Jan 17 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | they're just a rich person, they're not worth my corpse :) | Jan 17 02:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: wow, that';s a detailed analysis of a future event. | Jan 17 02:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: why not work on stopping them exploiting you while you're still *alive* | Jan 17 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | cause it wouldn't work | Jan 17 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | they thought of taking one of them with me is somewhat satisfying | Jan 17 02:13 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: same ol'. At least I know DaemonFC is sober | Jan 17 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | *the | Jan 17 02:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: cause if he were drunk, he'd be out on the streets packing? | Jan 17 02:13 |
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| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Who else can afford $150,000 or more for a transplant operation? | Jan 17 02:14 |
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| DaemonFC | I'd feel guilty about not being a donor if there was the chance it could save someone worth saving | Jan 17 02:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: .... | Jan 17 02:14 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: what scares me if inebriated people with pistols | Jan 17 02:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: your system seems awfully broken | Jan 17 02:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: but HE feels safer. that's all that matters, eh | Jan 17 02:15 |
| schestowitz | They can have hallucinations and justify using firearms | Jan 17 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: It is broken. The only person they save is the person who can pay for it. | Jan 17 02:15 |
| schestowitz | So taking a gun TO A BAR scares the **T out of me | Jan 17 02:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I wouldn't like to live under such a system | Jan 17 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | So I realize that it may sound like I'm a complete bastard to someone living where that's not the case | Jan 17 02:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: amazing, me too | Jan 17 02:16 |
| schestowitz | [02:15] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: but HE feels safer. that's all that matters, eh | Jan 17 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Stalin? | Jan 17 02:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I would like to hope that everyone around me were *un*armed drunks too | Jan 17 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Truman? | Jan 17 02:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: :) | Jan 17 02:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: read "Koba the Dread," Martin Amis? | Jan 17 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Don't they have metal detectors in bars, DaemonFC? | Jan 17 02:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they replaced them with racial profiling | Jan 17 02:17 |
| schestowitz | The incident you describe shooting is caused by exactly what you're doing | Jan 17 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: No | Jan 17 02:17 |
| schestowitz | I won't even ask if you keep it loaded | Jan 17 02:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | please, ask... | Jan 17 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | yes, I do | Jan 17 02:18 |
| schestowitz | Well, I will cause I have an ocean away from him | Jan 17 02:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I know people who carry. workmates in the USA | Jan 17 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | the safety is set though | Jan 17 02:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: but what if you decide to use it? | Jan 17 02:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: wouldn't that terrorise more than a few ppl nearby? | Jan 17 02:18 |
| schestowitz | I'd be scared to go out there in Florida now with the depression and all.. | Jan 17 02:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | or your choices are infallible? | Jan 17 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | then I turn the safety off, chamber a round, and shoot | Jan 17 02:18 |
| schestowitz | People lost their house... but they keep their shiny | Jan 17 02:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | so, it's ok for YOU to shoot somebody. | Jan 17 02:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's always defensible? | Jan 17 02:18 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I know! | Jan 17 02:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | what if you get... irrationally angry? or that only happens to other people? | Jan 17 02:19 |
| schestowitz | We can combat the risk of shootings! | Jan 17 02:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: by arming everyone. | Jan 17 02:19 |
| schestowitz | We'll provide training on how to dodge and draw first | Jan 17 02:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I've heard this from Floridians. | Jan 17 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | if I was defending myself or other people in mortal danger, then killing the assailant is not a crime | Jan 17 02:19 |
| schestowitz | OFfer free classes in preventive shooting :-) | Jan 17 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 17 02:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and if you weren't? | Jan 17 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | if I just shot someone? | Jan 17 02:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: this is awfully unimaginative. | Jan 17 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | depends on if I planned it out first | Jan 17 02:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: don't you ever consider the possibility that there are a million clones of you walking around packing, with the same rationalisations? | Jan 17 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | if I did, it's first degree murder, if not it's usually second degree | Jan 17 02:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: buy *you're* the only infallible one? | Jan 17 02:20 |
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| schestowitz | It's like the WoMD thing | Jan 17 02:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it is. | Jan 17 02:21 |
| schestowitz | Just micrpo-scale | Jan 17 02:21 |
| schestowitz | *cro | Jan 17 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: It's up to a jury to determine if I could reasonably been afraid for my life or lives of others | Jan 17 02:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's okay for us to have it, because everything we do is measured, and in the service of good. | Jan 17 02:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's not okay for you to have it, because you're untrustworthy, irrational, and evil. | Jan 17 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | if the guy walked in, started shooting people, and I shot and killed him, I have not committed a crime | Jan 17 02:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: get rid of the gun | Jan 17 02:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: YAY! | Jan 17 02:21 |
| schestowitz | Hand it over | Jan 17 02:21 |
| schestowitz | So no-one else gets it | Jan 17 02:21 |
| schestowitz | Melt it | Jan 17 02:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: like that will happen. they really believe this stuff we're hearing. | Jan 17 02:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I hear this stuff from colleagues. | Jan 17 02:22 |
| schestowitz | The Natives (First People) are gone, you don't need that 'right' anymore | Jan 17 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: It makes no sense to wait on help from the police that can't possibly make it there in time to help anybody | Jan 17 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right. | Jan 17 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | when the perpetrator is long gone | Jan 17 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you should try living outside the USA | Jan 17 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: we don't do things this way | Jan 17 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: 90 homicides in my city in a year | Jan 17 02:22 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're gonna have a huge mess with militias when the USD collapses | Jan 17 02:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's not a small city | Jan 17 02:23 |
| schestowitz | !google goldman sachs carry guns | Jan 17 02:23 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Are Goldman Sachs Bankers Really Carrying Guns? - Deal Journal - WSJ | http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2009/12/09/are-goldman-sachs-bankers-really-carrying-guns/ | Jan 17 02:23 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Janet Tavakoli: Guns, Goldman Sachs, and Bloomberg's B.S. | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-tavakoli/guns-goldman-sachs-and-bl_b_378001.html | Jan 17 02:23 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Arming Goldman Sachs With Pistols: Alice Schroeder (Correct ... | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news%3Fpid%3D20601039%26sid%3DaSyjc_AAwWi0 | Jan 17 02:23 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Guns for Goldman Sachs - THE WEEK | http://www.theweek.com/article/index/103608/Guns_for_Goldman_Sachs | Jan 17 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's kinda the point, too. :/ | Jan 17 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | only about 20% of crimes are ever cleared in the US, and less than half of those ever result in a conviction | Jan 17 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that hardly makes me feel better | Jan 17 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: why not just... not have the crimes. | Jan 17 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | given those odds, would you feel safe knowing the police were investigating? | Jan 17 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | but this ship has sailed. | Jan 17 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i hope you don't think the rest of the world runs this way. | Jan 17 02:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: when you ever get tired of having to carry guns around for an illusion of safety, just emigrate. | Jan 17 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | I assume there's better and there's worse | Jan 17 02:24 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: he can't | Jan 17 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have a fighting chance to survive if something like that happens | Jan 17 02:24 |
| schestowitz | He's a xenophobe | Jan 17 02:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: checkmate. | Jan 17 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | People commit crimes because they're not even afraid of the police | Jan 17 02:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://twitter.com/TruthAboutGuns | Jan 17 02:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Truth About Guns (TruthAboutGuns) on Twitter .::. Size~: 42.74 KB | Jan 17 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | why are the police a deterrent? they're not | Jan 17 02:25 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070810204226AAmiclB | Jan 17 02:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: What the best way to get rid of a gun? - Yahoo! Answers .::. Size~: 78.31 KB | Jan 17 02:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | I can think of a bad way. Cross the border with it ;-) | Jan 17 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | Hell no, I'm not getting rid of it | Jan 17 02:26 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - move to a country with less psychopaths | Jan 17 02:26 |
| schestowitz | "I had the gunsmith fuse the triggers on the double barrel shotgun I inherited. When grandpa fired it, the barrels would fall off. I figured it was the safest way. Still have it and it is "safe" to hang on the wall. It is impossible to open, load shells and it will never fire again." | Jan 17 02:26 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - you won't need guns | Jan 17 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | I intend to give a burglar, attacker, whatever a very nasty surprise | Jan 17 02:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: exactly. | Jan 17 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | when they come after me | Jan 17 02:26 |
| schestowitz | They keep making more barrels | Jan 17 02:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: we've heard all this testosterone stuff | Jan 17 02:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: too many movies | Jan 17 02:26 |
| ender2070 | windsor for instance, hasn't had many gun crimes | Jan 17 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Funny: (!!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8XcVc_0ykU | Jan 17 02:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Hollow Point Bullets Recalled That Don't Explode In Targets .::. Size~: 155.12 KB | Jan 17 02:27 |
| ender2070 | despite being close to poverty | Jan 17 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | my neighbor was trying to make death threats against me for parking in his spot | Jan 17 02:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: sucks to be you | Jan 17 02:27 |
| ender2070 | the last gun related death in windsor, was from someone who came in from Detroit | Jan 17 02:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: why didn't you just shoot him then and there? | Jan 17 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 17 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: how would a gun help you in this situation, exactly? | Jan 17 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | how long do you think that went on when I walked over there with my hand on the trigger of a holstered .45 ACP? | Jan 17 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Opposite | Jan 17 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | deterrent? | Jan 17 02:28 |
| schestowitz | It leads to proavtive | Jan 17 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Jan 17 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't heard back from him since | Jan 17 02:28 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: he could really shoot you, to defend himself | Jan 17 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: hilarious. | Jan 17 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I'm glad I don't live my life like a bad Eastwood movie. | Jan 17 02:28 |
| ender2070 | guns won't protect you from the government either | Jan 17 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | Of course they won't | Jan 17 02:28 |
| ender2070 | if its a tyranny you're worried about | Jan 17 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: not to mention call the police. there should be laws against that kind of intimidation with a weapon. | Jan 17 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | or they wouldn't let us have them | Jan 17 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: now *that* I agree with you | Jan 17 02:29 |
| ender2070 | the government has non lethal sound weapons to get ya | Jan 17 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: and worse | Jan 17 02:29 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jan 17 02:29 |
| schestowitz | Sonic BOOOOOOOOM! | Jan 17 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: at some point, they stop caring about lethality | Jan 17 02:29 |
| ender2070 | they can also reprogram you remotely via HAARP | Jan 17 02:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: or Hollywood | Jan 17 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | lol@HAARP | Jan 17 02:30 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jan 17 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: as we see in this case *koff* | Jan 17 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: all this is a fantasy, a sea of emotions triggered by the heft of warm metal and visions of violence | Jan 17 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's no way to live | Jan 17 02:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's pornography. the gun is your vibrator. | Jan 17 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Well, all you ever see is the guy victimizing people who are unarmed | Jan 17 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | cause they have no weapons and the police will never find them | Jan 17 02:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: um, really? | Jan 17 02:31 |
| ender2070 | nobody needs guns, we just need light sabres and force powers to reflect them | Jan 17 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | the attacker knows this | Jan 17 02:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: again, this is a persecution fantasy. | Jan 17 02:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: a fear of being "weak" | Jan 17 02:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: get over it, throw the gun into the sea, and start living | Jan 17 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | statistics say that the police will never find a rapist or burglar or whatever | Jan 17 02:32 |
| ender2070 | FurnaceBoy - DaemonFC is a fox news kinda guy, no sense arguing too much | Jan 17 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | and that even if they do, there will be a miscarriage of justice | Jan 17 02:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: FEAR. FEAR. FEAR. | Jan 17 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | and the guy goes free or gets a few years | Jan 17 02:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: why be afraid of everything? you've been trained to be. | Jan 17 02:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: TV. Film. 24/7 FEAR. | Jan 17 02:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: turn it off. | Jan 17 02:32 |
| ender2070 | FurnaceBoy +1 | Jan 17 02:32 |
| schestowitz | I told him | Jan 17 02:32 |
| schestowitz | It's his cable TV | Jan 17 02:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | no shit! | Jan 17 02:33 |
| schestowitz | He gets it w/ his Net connection | Jan 17 02:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | i"ve been down there. i know what's on their tv. | Jan 17 02:33 |
| schestowitz | It's cheaper that way | Jan 17 02:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | nothing else but crime and violence... if they can't milk some camera feed for a black dude on the run, they make shit up. (CSI blah) | Jan 17 02:33 |
| schestowitz | So they bundle propaganda with his Web access | Jan 17 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | the criminal legal system is extremely favorable to the criminal | Jan 17 02:33 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - you watch too many shows | Jan 17 02:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: stay isolatd | Jan 17 02:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: carry guns | Jan 17 02:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: fear everyone | Jan 17 02:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: trust nobody | Jan 17 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | the only crimes they'll really worry about solving are crimes against rich people | Jan 17 02:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: disparage the social system | Jan 17 02:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: never ever speak to stranger | Jan 17 02:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: is he a cell in an organism, or a wild self interested tumour cell? | Jan 17 02:34 |
| schestowitz | And if an old man speak to a little girl, he'a a pedo | Jan 17 02:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: oh boy | Jan 17 02:34 |
| schestowitz | If a black man asks you for instructions, run | Jan 17 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | damn right | Jan 17 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 17 02:34 |
| schestowitz | If someone stops you in the street to say hi, ignore | Jan 17 02:34 |
| schestowitz | The the right think | Jan 17 02:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I am soooo glad I will never live in that world. | Jan 17 02:35 |
| schestowitz | Stay separate | Jan 17 02:35 |
| ender2070 | if someone is brown - terrorist | Jan 17 02:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: everyone is a threat. evaluate. decide : knife or gun? | Jan 17 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: I'm just going to drop you off in downtown Indianapolis | Jan 17 02:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: why would I want to go there? | Jan 17 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | somewhere past 100th st | Jan 17 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | unarmed | Jan 17 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | at night | Jan 17 02:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I'm gonna drop you off in my city. | Jan 17 02:35 |
| schestowitz | [02:35] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: everyone is a threat. evaluate. decide : knife or gun? | Jan 17 02:35 |
| schestowitz | "Other"? | Jan 17 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | you tell me how much you like the residents | Jan 17 02:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you'll be perfectly fucking safe. for the rest of your life. | Jan 17 02:36 |
| schestowitz | GTA.... | Jan 17 02:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I don't give a crap about residents of Indianapolis. they're probably all paranoid nuts like you. | Jan 17 02:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: come here and taste safety, instead. | Jan 17 02:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: have a LIFE instead of just a roiling mess of paranoid fears | Jan 17 02:36 |
| ender2070 | daemonfc - some canadians don't even lock their doors (in toronto) | Jan 17 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | before morning, you'll be beaten up, mugged, maybe shot or stabbed, your corpse dumped somewhere | Jan 17 02:37 |
| schestowitz | Good | Jan 17 02:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: who cares? they're trained like you | Jan 17 02:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe someone can come to ask for tea | Jan 17 02:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: self interested, dangerous, people | Jan 17 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | if they like your shoes or jecket, you might not have them on you when the cops find the body | Jan 17 02:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: so what? | Jan 17 02:37 |
| schestowitz | And you can say, "sure, we're humans, let's share" | Jan 17 02:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: this is your fantasies talking | Jan 17 02:37 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - they have you so scared you're willing to accept a police state | Jan 17 02:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: see a shrink, learn to differentiate irrational from rational | Jan 17 02:37 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: DaemonFC's new neighbour is an ex-con | Jan 17 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: I will just as soon as you walk at least 50 blocks through downtown Indianapolis at night | Jan 17 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | and live | Jan 17 02:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's a vicious circle. feeding on itself to a fever pitch. then you claim, you're the only guy around who can SAFELY carry a gun | Jan 17 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | they'll shoot you for your shoelaces | Jan 17 02:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i have no interest in Indianapolis. y'all created your own hell down there. | Jan 17 02:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you can leave too | Jan 17 02:38 |
| schestowitz | [02:38] <DaemonFC> they'll shoot you for your shoelaces | Jan 17 02:38 |
| schestowitz | Who is they? | Jan 17 02:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the OTHERS | Jan 17 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | the hoods | Jan 17 02:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he needs something to fear | Jan 17 02:38 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: the "Bad Guys" | Jan 17 02:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yep | Jan 17 02:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: axis of evil | Jan 17 02:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: has a branch office in Indianapolis | Jan 17 02:39 |
| schestowitz | The ones in blue | Jan 17 02:39 |
| schestowitz | Chess life | Jan 17 02:39 |
| ender2070 | THE DEVIL! | Jan 17 02:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: don't you see what you do? | Jan 17 02:39 |
| schestowitz | You fragment the world | Jan 17 02:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: manichaean | Jan 17 02:39 |
| schestowitz | Segregate | Jan 17 02:39 |
| schestowitz | You insult Muslims who are in this channel | Jan 17 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | I don't trust people in bad parts of town | Jan 17 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | high crime areas | Jan 17 02:40 |
| schestowitz | And then you also divide your own country | Jan 17 02:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: fantasies | Jan 17 02:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you're demonising... haha | Jan 17 02:40 |
| schestowitz | So you're left with a cubicle of perceived safety | Jan 17 02:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | panic room! | Jan 17 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | we should deport all our criminals to Canada, see how long before they own the place | Jan 17 02:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: ... | Jan 17 02:40 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: la Diablo!! | Jan 17 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | how many of them it takes | Jan 17 02:40 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - we would treat them like human beings, they would probably rehabilitate properly | Jan 17 02:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you already export the broken mindset | Jan 17 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | doubtful | Jan 17 02:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and the training films for this paranoid dementia | Jan 17 02:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTJMtZWx29s&NR=1 | Jan 17 02:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- The DEVILSSSSS .::. Size~: 119.97 KB | Jan 17 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | they'd probably just start making drugs, murdering you, and costing you billions of dollars to construct prisons to contain them in | Jan 17 02:41 |
| schestowitz | David Puddy | Jan 17 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | then we get to laugh at YOU | Jan 17 02:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you WANT all this angst. the emotions. you'll never move to civilisation. | Jan 17 02:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: did anyone ever shoot at you with intent to kill? | Jan 17 02:42 |
| schestowitz | Selfdefeat | Jan 17 02:42 |
| schestowitz | fewa wrote about this here | Jan 17 02:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: defeated culture | Jan 17 02:43 |
| schestowitz | it's like suicidal tendencies in cultural level | Jan 17 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | the problem with our prison system is that they pack a lot of people in there who barely even did anything, so they can parol the rapists, murderers, bank robbers, and drug dealers | Jan 17 02:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: did anyone ever shoot at you with intent to kill? | Jan 17 02:43 |
| schestowitz | Like those looking forward to Armageddon/apocalypse that will "cleanse" the world from evil | Jan 17 02:43 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: guess what.. | Jan 17 02:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: disaster porn... | Jan 17 02:43 |
| schestowitz | You won't be God's "Noah" | Jan 17 02:43 |
| schestowitz | You want be on the "Ark" | Jan 17 02:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: also: self hating. | Jan 17 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Ask people in restaurants targeted for a drive by, by a group of teenagers if they expected some bullets with their soup | Jan 17 02:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: answer the question | Jan 17 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | hell if I know if I will ever be shot at | Jan 17 02:44 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: some people are still watching 9/11 like it's pr0n | Jan 17 02:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: throw the gun away, you'll never need it. it will be liberating. you can stop being afraid. | Jan 17 02:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I know. | Jan 17 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: for many, it is. | Jan 17 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | I don't intend to wait around for it to happen and then wish I could have stopped it later | Jan 17 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and not the ones DaemonFC thinks :) | Jan 17 02:45 |
| schestowitz | They use different angles | Jan 17 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: fear. | Jan 17 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Or nuclear explositions | Jan 17 02:45 |
| schestowitz | In test sites | Jan 17 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you're controlled by fear. why is that good? | Jan 17 02:45 |
| schestowitz | So if you think feet fetish is odd... | Jan 17 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Pyromania | Jan 17 02:45 |
| *FurnaceBoy should write some darn code | Jan 17 02:46 | |
| schestowitz | A lot of Hollywood productions are like that | Jan 17 02:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes. | Jan 17 02:46 |
| schestowitz | I watched some with friends the other day..... War of the Worlds | Jan 17 02:46 |
| schestowitz | Not *my* picks | Jan 17 02:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they're triggering all kinds of subconscious stuff. | Jan 17 02:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: HA! | Jan 17 02:46 |
| schestowitz | Hidden message | Jan 17 02:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | I was just about to link you something I wrote | Jan 17 02:46 |
| schestowitz | We're under attack | Jan 17 02:46 |
| schestowitz | Let's save the world | Jan 17 02:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: YES! | Jan 17 02:46 |
| schestowitz | One man at cenre | Jan 17 02:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and it's also a self-hating message | Jan 17 02:46 |
| schestowitz | Never gets shot | Jan 17 02:46 |
| schestowitz | Kids never die | Jan 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | Not that you see it | Jan 17 02:47 |
| ender2070 | there are even hidden meanings inside of words | Jan 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | And we need to defend the world from aliens | Jan 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | Or Illegal aliens | Jan 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | Or national aliens | Jan 17 02:47 |
| ender2070 | ILLEGAL ALIENS!!! | Jan 17 02:47 |
| schestowitz | To save us, the Tom Cruises | Jan 17 02:47 |
| ender2070 | LETS MINE THEM TO DEATH - DaemonFC | Jan 17 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and the John "Sellout" Cusacks | Jan 17 02:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC is John... Rambo | Jan 17 02:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Clint Eastwood | Jan 17 02:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yet he still thinks he is in reality and not a fantasy | Jan 17 02:48 |
| schestowitz | Parallel reality | Jan 17 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Jan 17 02:49 |
| schestowitz | Where the government recruits the Taliban again to fake an attack | Jan 17 02:49 |
| schestowitz | And where some people are reptiles in disguise | Jan 17 02:49 |
| schestowitz | With blue blood | Jan 17 02:49 |
| schestowitz | 1 in 3 people are aliens masquerading as humans | Jan 17 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | I'm one of them | Jan 17 02:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | LIBERALS! | Jan 17 02:50 |
| schestowitz | And the US has alien specimens in secret basements..... | Jan 17 02:50 |
| schestowitz | I know this... | Jan 17 02:50 |
| schestowitz | Cause I saw it in the firlm Indpendence Day | Jan 17 02:50 |
| schestowitz | I swear | Jan 17 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: No, we're working with the government | Jan 17 02:50 |
| schestowitz | It was on TV, so it's 100% true | Jan 17 02:50 |
| schestowitz | I want to... err... believe | Jan 17 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | we make death rays and faster than light drives for them | Jan 17 02:50 |
| schestowitz | ????? | Jan 17 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: wrote this in 05 https://slashdot.org/journal/111464/Thoughts-on-the-deacutebut-of-War-of-the-Worlds?art_pos=111 | Jan 17 02:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Journal | Thoughts on the début of War of the Worlds .::. Size~: 35.18 KB | Jan 17 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: was about to link you even before you mentioned it :) | Jan 17 02:51 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: need prop[aganda to invade CHavez' nation | Jan 17 02:51 |
| schestowitz | I smell a good film coming | Jan 17 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Getting people in the right mood and all ;-0) | Jan 17 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yep | Jan 17 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i know how it works... did you see "Deja Vu" ? | Jan 17 02:52 |
| schestowitz | This time it's not people in tent and camel | Jan 17 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's so obvious propaganda they must have been very desperate to push something through | Jan 17 02:52 |
| schestowitz | Not Predator in jungles of Vietnnam/Cambodia | Jan 17 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: maybe NSA wiretaps, softening up | Jan 17 02:52 |
| schestowitz | Ah that's anothee thing | Jan 17 02:53 |
| schestowitz | To pass ACTA, wiretapping and all you need move-plot threat | Jan 17 02:53 |
| schestowitz | *movie | Jan 17 02:53 |
| schestowitz | "Pirates of the Carribean" | Jan 17 02:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: check "Deja Vu" for the total surveillance propaganda. It's right in your face. | Jan 17 02:54 |
| schestowitz | ET recruitment tool... NASA? | Jan 17 02:54 |
| schestowitz | I got a recommendation for a German film on their surveillance | Jan 17 02:54 |
| schestowitz | It's like this stuff gets contracted to become films based on the Zeitgeist of national need | Jan 17 02:54 |
| schestowitz | "America, and by imitation the rest of the West, has built a modern environment so inhumanly ugly that what passes for entertainment is now little more than an unrelenting barrage of scenes of its destruction. The titillation value of collapsing roadworks, exploding buildings, seems proportional to the size of the monument destroyed." | Jan 17 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Join the army. | Jan 17 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Save the world. | Jan 17 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Get big gun. | Jan 17 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Big, big gun. | Jan 17 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Battle the insecurities you have. | Jan 17 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Fight for big, big oil companies | Jan 17 02:55 |
| schestowitz | They're ssssssssoooooooooo big! | Jan 17 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Weyland-Yutani :) | Jan 17 02:56 |
| ender2070 | I recommend www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com | Jan 17 02:56 |
| schestowitz | "Can Spielberg never once, during the conception of this latest narcotic formula piece, have questioned what he was doing? Doesn't the sheer futility of the effort give him any pause? Is it just naïve of me to expect him to occasionally ask himself, will all this effort, all these millions, make the world a better place? What a waste. " | Jan 17 02:56 |
| schestowitz | He did Empire oft he Sun | Jan 17 02:56 |
| schestowitz | I was too young to understand the plot | Jan 17 02:56 |
| ender2070 | hes like a conspiracy theorist, except hes not because its all true | Jan 17 02:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: sure. Ballard's. | Jan 17 02:56 |
| schestowitz | Later the dude did American Psycho | Jan 17 02:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I think Empire of the Sun was pretty pointless too. | Jan 17 02:57 |
| schestowitz | Interesting bio he has | Jan 17 02:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | Schindler's List | Jan 17 02:57 |
| ender2070 | ill be back later, testing out drupal 7 alpha | Jan 17 02:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: but in the end it's all repackaging history into something else, something useless and dilute, saccharine and anodyne | Jan 17 02:58 |
| schestowitz | I watched this last month: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO8xleDdZUc | Jan 17 02:58 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: if people actually read books, we wouldn't have to wonder about Spielberg at all. | Jan 17 02:58 |
| schestowitz | Which books? | Jan 17 02:58 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm.. I've just found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMxleCC5VVg | Jan 17 02:58 |
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| schestowitz | I gotta watch this later | Jan 17 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | The Gulag Archipelago? The Politics of Cruelty? Koba the Dread that I mentioned before? | Jan 17 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | if you haven't read that, i can send it to you | Jan 17 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | have a copy doing nothing | Jan 17 02:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | can't get it to make coffee or pay rent | Jan 17 02:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I don't think movies connect people to history. I think they are another way to separate them from it. | Jan 17 02:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: at least, the movies Spielberg makes. | Jan 17 03:00 |
| schestowitz | It's a revionist tool | Jan 17 03:02 |
| schestowitz | Like Pokahontas | Jan 17 03:02 |
| schestowitz | *revisionist | Jan 17 03:02 |
| schestowitz | History for consumption by kids | Jan 17 03:02 |
| schestowitz | Simplified for convenience | Jan 17 03:02 |
| schestowitz | "Savages, Savages, Savages," | Jan 17 03:03 |
| schestowitz | Watch the film | Jan 17 03:03 |
| schestowitz | The savages are the natives in their land | Jan 17 03:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes | Jan 17 03:03 |
| schestowitz | The poor lady..... | Jan 17 03:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: revisionist tool. | Jan 17 03:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and a very potent one | Jan 17 03:03 |
| schestowitz | Since young age | Jan 17 03:03 |
| schestowitz | People grow up on this staff | Jan 17 03:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: since everybody 'trusts' the auteurs in LA........ | Jan 17 03:03 |
| schestowitz | *stuff | Jan 17 03:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | implicitly........ | Jan 17 03:03 |
| schestowitz | Aladdin | Jan 17 03:03 |
| schestowitz | Beautiful girl | Jan 17 03:03 |
| schestowitz | Aggressive men | Jan 17 03:03 |
| schestowitz | Arm cutting.. | Jan 17 03:04 |
| schestowitz | Islamophobia | Jan 17 03:04 |
| schestowitz | Arabs=people with swords stereotype | Jan 17 03:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 17 03:04 |
| schestowitz | Look at our buddy DaemonFC | Jan 17 03:04 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't carry a sword | Jan 17 03:04 |
| schestowitz | It's too messy | Jan 17 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's unconventional <--- the real problem | Jan 17 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | not socially acceptable. | Jan 17 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | i am sure he has beheading fantasies | Jan 17 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | of the Bad Guys | Jan 17 03:05 |
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| schestowitz | Some do | Jan 17 03:05 |
| schestowitz | I saw this film yesterday | Jan 17 03:05 |
| schestowitz | It was about 9/11/2006 | Jan 17 03:05 |
| schestowitz | 5 year anniversary | Jan 17 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/7849371552 | Jan 17 03:06 |
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| schestowitz | This one guy said he wanted "Osama's head on a stick" (I'm quite sure it's a verbatim quote) | Jan 17 03:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | she's in the big money now. http://twitter.com/Symbolman/status/7849127146 | Jan 17 03:06 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's what they did with native americans// muslims are the new exploitees | Jan 17 03:07 |
| schestowitz | Michael Jackson=hope (rags to riches), religion, pedo scare | Jan 17 03:07 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: on sticks???? | Jan 17 03:07 |
| schestowitz | I doubt the Europeans would do that | Jan 17 03:07 |
| schestowitz | THe French -maybe | Jan 17 03:07 |
| schestowitz | They played with guillotines and stuff | Jan 17 03:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: on sticks | Jan 17 03:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: most famously, genitalia and such on sticks. "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" | Jan 17 03:08 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: they're the "bad Guys", so it's OK | Jan 17 03:09 |
| schestowitz | Just keep the kids from watching | Jan 17 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: dehumans | Jan 17 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: unhumans | Jan 17 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: (after Orwell) | Jan 17 03:09 |
| schestowitz | "Return to Barbarism" | Jan 17 03:09 |
| schestowitz | Still, better than cannibalism, but the hypocrisy is pretty striking | Jan 17 03:10 |
| schestowitz | "But for Secretary of State George Shultz, the administration moderate, the most "alarming" manifestation of "state-sponsored terrorism," a plague spread by "depraved opponents of civilization itself" in "a return to barbarism in the modern age," was frighteningly close to home. " | Jan 17 03:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I think I shall get an Organ Donor card; DaemonFC has inspired me. | Jan 17 03:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it will be tangible proof that I am not of his tribe. | Jan 17 03:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he carries a gun; i 'll carry my Organ Donor card :P | Jan 17 03:12 |
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| schestowitz | That's mutex | Jan 17 03:13 |
| schestowitz | Speaking of "depraved opponents of civilization itself" | Jan 17 03:13 |
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| ender2070 | DaemonFC - carry a sword around, nobody fucks with a sword | Jan 17 03:16 |
| ender2070 | I know someone in RL who has a samurai sword, he lives by the code too | Jan 17 03:16 |
| ender2070 | he had to cut someone a little bit for unsheathing it by mistake | Jan 17 03:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: he'd be afraid to bring a knife to a gunfight. | Jan 17 03:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: there's really no answering that kind of marinated fear | Jan 17 03:18 |
| ender2070 | he should work for fox news | Jan 17 03:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: a product of | Jan 17 03:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | on that note | Jan 17 03:26 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qXlFNYoyQg | Jan 17 03:39 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 17 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqJ_R3zBt1g | Jan 17 04:09 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tgbQV_oLFY&feature=related | Jan 17 04:10 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td68Fwh_fIg&feature=related | Jan 17 04:10 |
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| ender2070 | DaemonFC - http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=walmart | Jan 17 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | they're right | Jan 17 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | we should give Canada some too | Jan 17 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | see how long they put up with crime and not being able to find jobs | Jan 17 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | over people who don't have the legal right to be there in the first place | Jan 17 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | I forgot, Canada gets to condemn everything they don't have to live with and clean up the mess, with impunity | Jan 17 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | my mistake | Jan 17 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Using the same logic as the hippie argument, I should be allowed to squat in your home, pay no rent, bring in drugs and hookers, and you should not be able to evict me | Jan 17 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | It shouldn't be politically correct to bitch at me no matter how I victimize you and trash your property | Jan 17 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | if the police do anything to me, it's all racism | Jan 17 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | I never break the law, they just don't like me cause I'm white! | Jan 17 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 17 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | How's that for you? | Jan 17 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | that's all it is, ender2070 | Jan 17 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | The law only applies to you if you're a white male. | Jan 17 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | white males can get in deep shit over anything | Jan 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | even stuff that would get a black or hispanic guy probation would probably get me a life sentence for being white | Jan 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | same crime | Jan 17 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | the system reverse discriminates against all other races | Jan 17 04:19 |
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| DaemonFC | that's what really happens | Jan 17 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_discrimination | Jan 17 04:19 |
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| DaemonFC | That's what this politically correct/affirmative action crap does | Jan 17 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | and in a RARE display of good taste, those firefighters won that one lawsuit | Jan 17 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | affirmative action is unconstitutional, every bit as much as redlining and segregation were | Jan 17 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | but you have these hippie activist judges who won't find it is, even with the guarantee of "equal protection" all over the constitution | Jan 17 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | they only find those clauses when a minority is whining | Jan 17 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: A landlord is still perfectly within his right to refuse housing to a qualifies renter because they're gay or lesbian | Jan 17 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | but if you do it to a black, your ass is grass | Jan 17 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | *qualified | Jan 17 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | I'm tired of them bitching that they're being discriminated against when they ARE NOT and have laws to protect them even if they were, which they abuse so as to have legal standing for a lawsuit | Jan 17 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sick of it because it's perfectly legal to discriminate against me and I have NO LEGAL RECOURSE | Jan 17 04:26 |
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| DaemonFC | maybe the landlord did a background check on the sons of bitches and found that they got busted for selling crack cocaine | Jan 17 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | maybe it wasn't a racial issue at all | Jan 17 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | they'll still say it was so they can sue him for all the money he has and more | Jan 17 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't want crack dealers or meth labs in my rental properties, would you ender2070? | Jan 17 04:28 |
| yuhong | http://slashdot.org/story/04/03/30/0021253/Microsoft-PR-Looking-Under-The-Hood | Jan 17 04:28 |
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| DaemonFC | I wouldn't rent out to about a third of this town just over prior felony convictions | Jan 17 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | has nothing to do with race | Jan 17 04:28 |
| yuhong | The comments talks about some of the problems of so-called "legacy PR". | Jan 17 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | I think as a landlord, you have the right to try to keep violence and drugs out of your units | Jan 17 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | If I found a domestic violence conviction on someone, I would not consider them for the property | Jan 17 04:30 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - I got two words for you, mental institution | Jan 17 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | I've had to deny people employment over these kinds of convictions on their record, ender2070 | Jan 17 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Everyone who just wants the law to be fair and equal is a racist | Jan 17 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | that's how you people see the world | Jan 17 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | An employer has the right to promote a crime-free workplace | Jan 17 04:32 |
| yuhong | Notice that one edit make MS sound like a monopolist. | Jan 17 04:32 |
| yuhong | Notice that one edit make MS sound less like a monopolist. | Jan 17 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | and sometimes the criminal is white and sometimes they're black, or asian, hispanic | Jan 17 04:32 |
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| ender2070 | DaemonFC - just because they're not white doesn't mean they are commiting crimes | Jan 17 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | if their background check says they're a criminal, they are one | Jan 17 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | and you make your decision based on the fact of what they did | Jan 17 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | (that you know about) | Jan 17 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | usually a person's arrest and conviction record only tells you half of what they've done, if that | Jan 17 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | The best policy is zero tolerance | Jan 17 04:34 |
| ender2070 | so you can refuse them work based on their record | Jan 17 04:34 |
| ender2070 | duh | Jan 17 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | the best thing you can do is assume there's more on there that's not printed | Jan 17 04:34 |
| ender2070 | knowing you, you're like "you can't have the job because you're a criminal just like every other black, mexican and non-white person: | Jan 17 04:35 |
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| DaemonFC | some times they plea bargain and the record is sealed | Jan 17 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | no, you don't say that's why | Jan 17 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | you never call them again | Jan 17 04:35 |
| ender2070 | i don't see what your big problem is | Jan 17 04:36 |
| ender2070 | race doesn't mean they are criminals | Jan 17 04:36 |
| ender2070 | in fact a lot of racist cops are the reason why so many minoritys are in prison | Jan 17 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | hire someone else and if they ask, then the position has been filled by a more qualified applicant. Your application is still on our record and we will call if something opens up. | Jan 17 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: That's funny | Jan 17 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | there's a lot of minorities in prison cause a lot higher percentage of minorities are committing the crimes | Jan 17 04:37 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jan 17 04:37 |
| ender2070 | no | Jan 17 04:37 |
| ender2070 | no way | Jan 17 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | affirmative action was meant to favor them for higher education above white people | Jan 17 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | establishing quotas | Jan 17 04:38 |
| ender2070 | racist cops not giving them a slap on the wrist | Jan 17 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | hoping that they'd quit breaking the law if they had an education | Jan 17 04:38 |
| ender2070 | why aren't there that many white people in prison then | Jan 17 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | it obviously failed | Jan 17 04:38 |
| ender2070 | its full of black people, cause of racist cops | Jan 17 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | no | Jan 17 04:38 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jan 17 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | and cops don't have any say on whether you go to prison | Jan 17 04:38 |
| ender2070 | no but cops can charge you | Jan 17 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | DNA evidence is racist | Jan 17 04:39 |
| ender2070 | they can choose not to arrest someone | Jan 17 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | fingerprints are reacist | Jan 17 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | *racist | Jan 17 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | phone record are racist | Jan 17 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | being caught on video trying to sell undercover cops drugs is racist | Jan 17 04:39 |
| ender2070 | you just want to take away affirmative actions so more minorities get locked up | Jan 17 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | no | Jan 17 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | I want to take it away so minorities quit abusing it | Jan 17 04:39 |
| ender2070 | they aren't | Jan 17 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | as a pretext to suing landlord and employers who are innocent | Jan 17 04:40 |
| ender2070 | there is racism | Jan 17 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Jan 17 04:40 |
| ender2070 | look at YOU | Jan 17 04:40 |
| ender2070 | you're automatically going to assume that a minority is doing something illegal, so you perform random searches on them | Jan 17 04:40 |
| ender2070 | they are targets | Jan 17 04:41 |
| ender2070 | a single racist cop in one day might perform 100 random searches simply because of race and will likely find as much illegal activity if they were only targetting white people | Jan 17 04:42 |
| ender2070 | George W Bush didn't go to jail for cocaine possession | Jan 17 04:43 |
| ender2070 | if he was black, he would've | Jan 17 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | aif he was rich and politically connected? | Jan 17 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | absolutely not | Jan 17 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | that's what saved him | Jan 17 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Lets go to an alternate reality where white people in the US are 13% of the population, and all the other races make up the rest of it | Jan 17 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | say black people are like 75% | Jan 17 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | and the black people were as stupid as the white people in this reality and set up affirmative action for white people | Jan 17 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | white people would obviously be trying to figure out how to game the system and exploit the laws that were set up | Jan 17 04:58 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - well if your prediction is true, mexicans will overrun white people and you can use the laws already in place | Jan 17 04:58 |
| ender2070 | so stop fighting and you win | Jan 17 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | hell, I even might do it if the chance to sue someone for a million dollars came up and all I had to do was lie in court and say it's cause I was white | Jan 17 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | the Mexicans are going to piss the blacks off here in a generation or two | Jan 17 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | when they're twice the percentage in population that black people are and are getting all their welfare funds | Jan 17 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | eventually, taxpayers will wake up and realize what they're funding | Jan 17 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | welfare and sensitivity training crap | Jan 17 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | and they're going to vote these damned liberals out of office | Jan 17 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | and there will be a rollback | Jan 17 05:00 |
| ender2070 | people will never wake up to anything | Jan 17 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | there's no such thing as affirmative action as a great equalizer | Jan 17 05:01 |
| ender2070 | over 1000 years ago people were saying that you can control 85% of the population easily | Jan 17 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | you can | Jan 17 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's called liberals on the TV news | Jan 17 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | liberals writing education textbooks | Jan 17 05:01 |
| ender2070 | liberals, republicans, they're all the same | Jan 17 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | liberals writing newspapers | Jan 17 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's a public brainwashing conspiracy | Jan 17 05:02 |
| ender2070 | its a public brainwashing conspiracy, but it has nothing to do with "liberals" | Jan 17 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | and if you don't agree with the tiniest little piece, people start calling you a racist, ender2070 | Jan 17 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 17 05:03 |
| ender2070 | its one hand, holding up both strings | Jan 17 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: And there's only two explanations for blacks being 80% of the population in prison | Jan 17 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | all cops are racist | Jan 17 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | or 80% of crimes are committed by blacks | Jan 17 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | even the black cops are racist | Jan 17 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | against black suspects | Jan 17 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | then you have to further assume that the cops will falsify evidence and risk their jobs and a major scandal | Jan 17 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | for no fiscal benefit | Jan 17 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | to frame that guy selling crack on the corner and pimping out prostitutes | Jan 17 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | who confessed to it on a hidden camera | Jan 17 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | I think the reason for the high black prison population is neither explanation myself, ender2070 | Jan 17 05:06 |
| ender2070 | <DaemonFC> then you have to further assume that the cops will falsify evidence and risk their jobs and a major scandal | Jan 17 05:07 |
| ender2070 | they do it all the time to speed things along | Jan 17 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's cause the kind of crimes that black people tend to commit, they can't afford a good lawyer | Jan 17 05:07 |
| ender2070 | cops have to be paid to show up in court | Jan 17 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | the kind of crimes black people commit are also easier to prove | Jan 17 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | and notice | Jan 17 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's not that white people commit less crimes, we commit different crimes and hide them better | Jan 17 05:08 |
| ender2070 | nah | Jan 17 05:09 |
| ender2070 | white people tend to have more money and better access to lawyers | Jan 17 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | that's why 80% of the prison population is black | Jan 17 05:09 |
| ender2070 | since they get better jobs | Jan 17 05:09 |
| ender2070 | because people arent assuming they are criminals | Jan 17 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | so why don't black people go to college instead of pimping and dealing? | Jan 17 05:09 |
| ender2070 | like you | Jan 17 05:09 |
| ender2070 | i have plenty of black friends in college | Jan 17 05:10 |
| ender2070 | so seriously, stfu | Jan 17 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | a smaller percentage of the black population pursues higher education | Jan 17 05:10 |
| ender2070 | it has nothing to due with skin colour | Jan 17 05:10 |
| ender2070 | everyone is capable of the same thing | Jan 17 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | saying there are black people who go to college, it's like no shit | Jan 17 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | happy for them | Jan 17 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | they made the right decision | Jan 17 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | my ex stepdad's family is all white and in and out of prison as much or more than if they were minorities | Jan 17 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | why? | Jan 17 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | cause they ARE making and selling drugs | Jan 17 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | and scamming people | Jan 17 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | where is the cop that falsifies evidence to keep them out of prison cause they're white? | Jan 17 05:12 |
| ender2070 | you ever consider that these people simply turn against society, because they were mistreated? | Jan 17 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | they weren't mistreated | Jan 17 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | they're damaged goods | Jan 17 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | born that way | Jan 17 05:14 |
| ender2070 | all of your countries domestic terrorists were white guys | Jan 17 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | and you can argue me on that all you want | Jan 17 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | yes, damaged goods | Jan 17 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | mentally ill | Jan 17 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | severely | Jan 17 05:14 |
| ender2070 | *everyone* can be mentally ill | Jan 17 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | not all mentally ill people are criminals, or dangerous | Jan 17 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | some can be quite funny | Jan 17 05:15 |
| ender2070 | no but every human is the same | Jan 17 05:15 |
| ender2070 | its external things that make differences | Jan 17 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | but there's the mentally ill rapists and murderers | Jan 17 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | their dog is telling them to kill people | Jan 17 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | that kind of thing | Jan 17 05:15 |
| ender2070 | so? | Jan 17 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | people are not all the same | Jan 17 05:15 |
| ender2070 | yes, they are | Jan 17 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | their psyche is all quite different from the beginning | Jan 17 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | external input shapes it to some extent | Jan 17 05:16 |
| ender2070 | psyche is something effected by external forces | Jan 17 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | I believe people can be born bad | Jan 17 05:16 |
| ender2070 | then you ARE racist | Jan 17 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | I've witnessed it | Jan 17 05:16 |
| ender2070 | i've witnessed you being racist too | Jan 17 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | Erica, my ex step-dad's daughter, was popping out kids or getting abortions until she was sterilized | Jan 17 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | one of them she didn't want, Trent, went to live with my ex step-dad | Jan 17 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | he was raised in that house from birth til incarceration | Jan 17 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | never mistreated | Jan 17 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | never yelled at | Jan 17 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | but he liked to abuse animals | Jan 17 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | and misbehave just for a thrill | Jan 17 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | eventually at age 13 he was caught having had raped his brothers and sisters and a kid from school | Jan 17 05:18 |
| ender2070 | there are studies that have shown some kids who are raised by their grandparents go nuts | Jan 17 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | the police found a journal under Trent's bed | Jan 17 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | where Trent outlined how much he enjoyed doing that to those other kids | Jan 17 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | explain how this happens considering he was given love and raised properly | Jan 17 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | and nothing of the sort ever happened to him | Jan 17 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | I went and spoke to the police detective about Trent | Jan 17 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | telling him what I observed over the years that I either lived there or was around | Jan 17 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | eventually Trent accused people, not all at once, but one at a time, of having sexually abused him | Jan 17 05:21 |
| ender2070 | lol even chris rock made fun of it "If hes calling his grandmamma mom, and his real mom pam, hes going to jail" | Jan 17 05:21 |
| ender2070 | i bet you not being wanted by his real mom made him crazy | Jan 17 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | trying to get out of the punishment rightfully coming to him | Jan 17 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: He eventually accused me, in a line of 6-7 people | Jan 17 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | and I volunteered to take a lie detector test and passed | Jan 17 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | so did everyone else | Jan 17 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | he was eventually convicted and sentenced to two years in the juvenile detention center | Jan 17 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | plus probation until he turned 18 | Jan 17 05:23 |
| tessier__ | The plural of data is not anecdote. | Jan 17 05:23 |
| tessier__ | er...I think that's backwards. | Jan 17 05:23 |
| tessier__ | The plural of anecdote is not data. | Jan 17 05:23 |
| tessier__ | That makes more sense. | Jan 17 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Trent had an asthma attack in his mom's car one day then she was taking him home to his grandfather's house | Jan 17 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | she whipped him | Jan 17 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | and told him to "GET THE FUCK OVER I!!!" | Jan 17 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | and I had to call 911 while setting up his breathing machine and giving him a treatment until they got there | Jan 17 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | I cared more about whether he died or not than his mother | Jan 17 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | I could see how that could fuck someone up | Jan 17 05:25 |
| ender2070 | being rejected by a parent can cause psychological harm | Jan 17 05:25 |
| ender2070 | read a book once in a while | Jan 17 05:25 |
| ender2070 | you might learn something | Jan 17 05:25 |
| ender2070 | you watch way too much tv | Jan 17 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | living with her could cause worse | Jan 17 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | I must say I am surprised her kids that did turned out better than Trent | Jan 17 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | very surprised | Jan 17 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | Trent always had nice new clothes and toys and stuff | Jan 17 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | his sisters were lucky if there was food in the house | Jan 17 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | after his mom sold her food stamps and bought cigarettes and alcohol | Jan 17 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I asked my brother about what Trent is like now that he's out and in high school, he told me that Trent never bathes, and that he smells literally like shit | Jan 17 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | and has severe acne | Jan 17 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | and associates with all of the "bullies" | Jan 17 05:28 |
| ender2070 | did she drink and smoke while pregnant? | Jan 17 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | oh you know she did | Jan 17 05:29 |
| ender2070 | those are other factors that can cause psychological harm and other issues | Jan 17 05:29 |
| ender2070 | external to human dna code | Jan 17 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | I feel terrible that he turned out like that, just because I was sitting for my step-dad while they were at work | Jan 17 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | helping him with his homework | Jan 17 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | getting him stuff for his birthday | Jan 17 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, I guess you could say I feel like a big brother that tried to steer him right and then he went and did this | Jan 17 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | disgusts me | Jan 17 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I spoke to a psychiatrist at a state prison for sex offenders and gave her a profile of him | Jan 17 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | she told me she believes that not only will he re-offend, but he could become a murderer so as to silence his victims | Jan 17 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | I got a call from my brother's school while my mom was in France and she told them to deal with me if anything came up | Jan 17 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | the principal was mad at him and his friend for telling other students what Trent did, warning them | Jan 17 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | I told here that I was not mad at him and that he was not in trouble at home over this | Jan 17 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | and that I believe that if her kids went to school there, she would have found a way to keep Trent out of the school alltogether | Jan 17 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | *her | Jan 17 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | and other things | Jan 17 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | my brother was laughing with his hand over his mouth while I was telling off his principal | Jan 17 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | then I turned around to him and said "You're forbidden from telling anyone else about Trent during OFFICIAL school hours. Do I make myself clear?" | Jan 17 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jan 17 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing the principal can do if he tells people about it after school is out | Jan 17 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | So now everyone knows about Trent just from one person telling another, telling another | Jan 17 05:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@alykhansatchu Anjem Choudary Wootton Bassett says coup could make Britain an Islamic state http://bit.ly/5CQsOT //rubbish, sorry; pure FUD | Jan 17 06:13 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Anjem Choudary: I’m smiling because sharia is coming - Times Online .::. Size~: 110.77 KB | Jan 17 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | Google still doesn't list the Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund | Jan 17 06:15 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jan 17 06:37 |
| ender2070 | pat robertson said they signed a pact with THE DEVIL | Jan 17 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | Pat Robertson is a good comedian | Jan 17 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | gays caused 9/11 too | Jan 17 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | not Muslim terrorists | Jan 17 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | gay people | Jan 17 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | what's horrifying is that half of Americans still trust Muslims more than gay people or atheists | Jan 17 06:40 |
| DaemonFC | how many bombings have gays or atheists carried out? | Jan 17 06:40 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - Homosexuality is a deviancy which, up until the 1970's, was well defined in psychiatric textbooks. (Alan Watt) | Jan 17 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | according to Pat Robertson, the Muslims bombed us as God's punishment for having so many gays and atheists | Jan 17 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | so really the Muslims aren't at fault | Jan 17 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, Robertson exonerated them | Jan 17 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | he's a damned moron, his followers are too | Jan 17 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: the APA still has transsexuals on its list of mental disorders | Jan 17 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | the government uses the psychiatrists as a way to destroy people they see as undesirable | Jan 17 06:46 |
| ender2070 | actually they "politically corrected" gayness | Jan 17 06:48 |
| ender2070 | a term invented by communists | Jan 17 06:48 |
| cubezzz | eh? | Jan 17 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: No they didn't | Jan 17 06:51 |
| ender2070 | "politically correct" was invented by early communists | Jan 17 06:51 |
| ender2070 | the term | Jan 17 06:51 |
| ender2070 | same with "anti-government" | Jan 17 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | you don't see any laws making us equals | Jan 17 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | much less superior | Jan 17 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | affirmative action makes racial minorities superior | Jan 17 06:52 |
| cubezzz | there's hate crime laws now | Jan 17 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | instead, we got the constitutional gay marriage bans | Jan 17 06:52 |
| cubezzz | ahem, New Hampshire? | Jan 17 06:52 |
| ender2070 | socialist canada allowed gay marriage | Jan 17 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | with gay rights, there's always twice as much taken away as gained | Jan 17 06:53 |
| cubezzz | people say socialist like it's a bad thing | Jan 17 06:53 |
| ender2070 | yes I'd say it is | Jan 17 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Just wait long enough | Jan 17 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | voters or Republicans will rollback the laws in the states allowing marriage | Jan 17 06:53 |
| ender2070 | its a mix of communism and capitalism | Jan 17 06:53 |
| cubezzz | it's absolutely OK to help people who are truly disadvantaged | Jan 17 06:53 |
| ender2070 | its not OK to tax people into slavery | Jan 17 06:54 |
| cubezzz | of course not | Jan 17 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's always the Christians trying to get a gay marriage ban on the ballot | Jan 17 06:54 |
| cubezzz | there's a balance though | Jan 17 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | cause they know there's enough idiots and assholes out there to sign off on that | Jan 17 06:54 |
| ender2070 | not saying im right wing or left wing | Jan 17 06:54 |
| ender2070 | they are both used to control people and nothing ever changes | Jan 17 06:55 |
| cubezzz | taxes are good as long as it's not wasted and used for sometime that benefits people | Jan 17 06:55 |
| cubezzz | something | Jan 17 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not going to beat around the bush on this' | Jan 17 06:55 |
| ender2070 | governments need to get smaller, not bigger | Jan 17 06:55 |
| ender2070 | they just borrow from the banks if they dont have the funds for their agendas | Jan 17 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | not all idiots and assholes are religious, but all religious people are idiots and assholes | Jan 17 06:55 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, let's say the Canadian government moved to Linux and saved tons of $$$ | Jan 17 06:56 |
| ender2070 | they would put that $$$ into something else | Jan 17 06:56 |
| cubezzz | then they used that money to help sick kids hospital | Jan 17 06:56 |
| ender2070 | we wouldn't get a refund on it | Jan 17 06:56 |
| ender2070 | that doesnt happen | Jan 17 06:56 |
| DaemonFC | whenever a government saves money, it's just so they can waste it somewhere else | Jan 17 06:56 |
| DaemonFC | once they take your money, you're not seeing it again | Jan 17 06:56 |
| cubezzz | I think Alberta gave some money back actually | Jan 17 06:56 |
| ender2070 | hospitals are having to pull in donation money because they aren't getting enough funding | Jan 17 06:57 |
| ender2070 | government now wants a cut of the donations | Jan 17 06:57 |
| cubezzz | blargh | Jan 17 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: If you want to get technical, those stimulus checks that our government created billions of dollars of debt to pass out could be seen as money back | Jan 17 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | if it wasn't for the fact that they took it, loaned some small amount back to us, so they can take it back again with interest later | Jan 17 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 17 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | and spent $37 million in overhead on the letters telling us the check was on its way | Jan 17 06:58 |
| cubezzz | I don't understand why the bank guys get tons of bonuses while the middle class is just scraping by | Jan 17 06:59 |
| cubezzz | the world does seem messed up | Jan 17 06:59 |
| cubezzz | I mean didn't the bank guys really screw up? | Jan 17 06:59 |
| ender2070 | the bank guys run the world | Jan 17 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz / ender2070 : http://www.sjgames.com/illuminati/politics.html | Jan 17 06:59 |
| cubezzz | why would they get big bonuses, it's stupid | Jan 17 06:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Politics Explained .::. Size~: 4.35 KB | Jan 17 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | hope that helps | Jan 17 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | CAMBODIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. The government takes both of them and shoots you. | Jan 17 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 17 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk. | Jan 17 07:00 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, that would explain a lot | Jan 17 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | thats US state and local governments | Jan 17 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | BUREAUCRACY: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. Then it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows. | Jan 17 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | US federal government | Jan 17 07:00 |
| cubezzz | I think milk is subsidized | Jan 17 07:02 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Giant+statue+Lenin+talk+Richmond/2384389/story.html | Jan 17 07:03 |
| ender2070 | let me tell you, the giant statue of LENIN and MAO are paid for by the canadian government | Jan 17 07:03 |
| ender2070 | via grants | Jan 17 07:03 |
| cubezzz | giant Lenin statute? | Jan 17 07:03 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jan 17 07:03 |
| ender2070 | as in COMMUNIST Lenin | Jan 17 07:04 |
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| cubezzz | I hope they didn't paid too much :) | Jan 17 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | BUREAUCRATIC SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and put them in a barn with everyone else's cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and eggs as the regulations say you need. | Jan 17 07:05 |
| DaemonFC | Canadian (Healthcare System) | Jan 17 07:05 |
| cubezzz | ok, that is just strange | Jan 17 07:05 |
| cubezzz | it's a giant Lenin head | Jan 17 07:05 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] veteran westbengal communist leader jyothi basu passes away | Jan 17 07:06 | |
| cubezzz | and it's a female Mao | Jan 17 07:06 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: I'm more afraid that the government will be managing my healthcare in a few months | Jan 17 07:06 |
| DaemonFC | I got my red white and blue Medicare card in the mail :P | Jan 17 07:06 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather decline it | Jan 17 07:07 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - i'd be freaked out if I lived there | Jan 17 07:07 |
| DaemonFC | I can but then if I need it later, I get an ass raping in penalties for not taking it now | Jan 17 07:07 |
| cubezzz | "Biennale sculptures are typically removed within two years." | Jan 17 07:07 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - I heard someone on the radio who talked to a tim hortons employee who worked nearby and they were freaked | Jan 17 07:08 |
| cubezzz | yeah :) | Jan 17 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | they assrape you for $110 a month right now, and every year you wait the penalties go up 10% | Jan 17 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | so if I sign up next year, it'll be $121 a month | Jan 17 07:08 |
| cubezzz | "I'll have a jelly don- ... what the hell, there's a giant Lenin head out there!" | Jan 17 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | if I wait two years, it'll be $132 a month | Jan 17 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | and so on | Jan 17 07:08 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jan 17 07:08 |
| ender2070 | imagine if you're in one of the shops its pointed at | Jan 17 07:09 |
| ender2070 | "HES STARING AT ME!" | Jan 17 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: If I ever go to Hungary, I want to see Stalin's Boots | Jan 17 07:09 |
| cubezzz | Stalin was a pretty evil guy from what I understand | Jan 17 07:09 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jan 17 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | left over from when they cut the statue down in 1956 | Jan 17 07:10 |
| ender2070 | he killed way more people than hitler | Jan 17 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | and it never got rebuilt | Jan 17 07:10 |
| ender2070 | theres no way to know for sure though because hitler had counting machines from IBM | Jan 17 07:10 |
| cubezzz | I'm just glad I didn't live during WWI or the depression or WWII | Jan 17 07:10 |
| ender2070 | they kept detailed records | Jan 17 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Stalin%27s_Boots.jpg | Jan 17 07:10 |
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| cubezzz | so is Russia still Communist or what do they have now? | Jan 17 07:11 |
| ender2070 | stalin just had people killed en-masse, and not bothering to keep track | Jan 17 07:11 |
| ender2070 | russia has a voting system | Jan 17 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: They also have a low life expectancy | Jan 17 07:11 |
| ender2070 | choose your dictator | Jan 17 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | only like 60 or something | Jan 17 07:12 |
| cubezzz | but it's still one party isn't it? | Jan 17 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | no | Jan 17 07:12 |
| ender2070 | want the red dictator or the blue dictator | Jan 17 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | and there still are Communists in their government | Jan 17 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | not enough to really run anything, but they're still there | Jan 17 07:13 |
| cubezzz | I guess they didn't think Stalin's boots were evil enough to remove | Jan 17 07:13 |
| ender2070 | IIRC, China and Cuba are the only communist countries left | Jan 17 07:13 |
| ender2070 | unless you count socialist ones too | Jan 17 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | just depends on what they call themselves | Jan 17 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | there's not that much of a difference | Jan 17 07:13 |
| cubezzz | communist would mean no voting | Jan 17 07:14 |
| cubezzz | I think | Jan 17 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | socialist countries tend to have a President For Life | Jan 17 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | nah, you can vote in China | Jan 17 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | only for Communists though | Jan 17 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's the Communist and his opponent, the Communist | Jan 17 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 17 07:14 |
| cubezzz | yeah if you can only vote Communist then it's not a democracy | Jan 17 07:14 |
| cubezzz | you have to at least have a choice | Jan 17 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | I love the Democrats and the Republicans, it's one more choice than you have in Communist China | Jan 17 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 17 07:15 |
| ender2070 | I don't think the Chinese can vote | Jan 17 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | yes they can | Jan 17 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China | Jan 17 07:16 |
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| ender2070 | I find it amusing that the UN Loves China | Jan 17 07:16 |
| ender2070 | they consider it the "model state for the world" | Jan 17 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Above local elections, it doesn't really matter how you vote in China | Jan 17 07:16 |
| cubezzz | it's like "going to the computer store to pick the OS for your computer" kind of choice | Jan 17 07:16 |
| ender2070 | "You can stick with Vista, or go Vista 7" | Jan 17 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: You can get Windows 7, and sometimes you can even choose to use Windows Vista or Windows XP | Jan 17 07:17 |
| cubezzz | bah :) | Jan 17 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | that's a Chinese election for you | Jan 17 07:17 |
| ender2070 | WinXP is for losers | Jan 17 07:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] LOL!!.. RT @_shiv: Twitter is so unlike real life. Not once in real life has a girl thanked me for following her. | Jan 17 07:18 | |
| DaemonFC | Windows XP still works better than anything since | Jan 17 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | you noticed that? | Jan 17 07:18 |
| cubezzz | no :) | Jan 17 07:18 |
| ender2070 | where is USB 3 support? | Jan 17 07:18 |
| ender2070 | oh right, not in windows | Jan 17 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | not in any shipping motherboard | Jan 17 07:18 |
| cubezzz | btw does Linux have USB 3 support? | Jan 17 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | so it doesn't matter at the moment | Jan 17 07:18 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jan 17 07:18 |
| ender2070 | last year too | Jan 17 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Yes, but there's no USB 3 capable motherboard or devices | Jan 17 07:19 |
| cubezzz | yeah don't use doze | Jan 17 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | so it does not matter yet | Jan 17 07:19 |
| ender2070 | when they are common | Jan 17 07:19 |
| ender2070 | every linux distro for the last year will have support | Jan 17 07:19 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, I compiled all my modules the other day, except for the nvidia one | Jan 17 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | and even when they do get here, it's not going to be that much faster than USB 2 on most things | Jan 17 07:19 |
| ender2070 | windows needs a service pack | Jan 17 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | USB 3 hard drives will be a bit faster | Jan 17 07:19 |
| cubezzz | they are all GPL except for Nvidia | Jan 17 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | flash memory devices won't | Jan 17 07:19 |
| ender2070 | a LOT faster | Jan 17 07:19 |
| ender2070 | flash memory will be way faster than HDDs | Jan 17 07:20 |
| ender2070 | noob | Jan 17 07:20 |
| cubezzz | windows _always_ needs a service pack :) | Jan 17 07:20 |
| ender2070 | flash memory is already faster than most hdds | Jan 17 07:20 |
| cubezzz | and it's turtle slow | Jan 17 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Windows 7 SP1 will probably support USB 3 | Jan 17 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be surprised if it doesn't | Jan 17 07:20 |
| ender2070 | win7 sp1 will | Jan 17 07:20 |
| ender2070 | but that didnt come out last year | Jan 17 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | they might support it in Vista | Jan 17 07:21 |
| ender2070 | why does linux support more advanced hardware than win? | Jan 17 07:21 |
| ender2070 | :P | Jan 17 07:21 |
| cubezzz | guys, I stopped using doze in 2003 | Jan 17 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Until hardware has it, why does it matter? | Jan 17 07:21 |
| ender2070 | there IS hardware | Jan 17 07:21 |
| ender2070 | its just not common | Jan 17 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | Yay, we support something that nobody will have for at least two years | Jan 17 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | yay, look at us!! | Jan 17 07:21 |
| ender2070 | i dont care when ms decides to support it, before I want it | Jan 17 07:21 |
| ender2070 | people DO have it | Jan 17 07:22 |
| cubezzz | I think that is very significant, I only have to find a good open video driver and i'm 100% FOSS | Jan 17 07:22 |
| ender2070 | purchasing hardware shouldn't revolve around microshaft | Jan 17 07:23 |
| cubezzz | that's not really the main problem | Jan 17 07:23 |
| cubezzz | the _REAL_ problem is programming specs | Jan 17 07:23 |
| cubezzz | when manufacturers make the specs a secret | Jan 17 07:24 |
| ender2070 | wifi chipset makers and gpu chipset makers are the only ones hating on linux right now | Jan 17 07:24 |
| ender2070 | everyone else cooperates, they even use linux to test their shit before its even out | Jan 17 07:24 |
| cubezzz | you just need to be diligent and do your research before you buy hardware | Jan 17 07:24 |
| cubezzz | yeah the situation is much better now | Jan 17 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | USB 2.0 can transfer at 60 megabytes a second, 3.0 can do 409.6 megabytes per second | Jan 17 07:25 |
| ender2070 | what makes more sense, purchasing a thousand copies of windows for testing new hardware designs, or just making it work on linux for free | Jan 17 07:25 |
| cubezzz | I will be interesting to see if all the solid state devices replace the cdrom/dvd drives | Jan 17 07:26 |
| ender2070 | 3.0 can do 409.6 megabytes per second - significant | Jan 17 07:26 |
| cubezzz | It | Jan 17 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | 10 seconds to transfer 10 160kbps albums on USB 2.0, vs 1.5 seconds on USB 3.0 | Jan 17 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, 8.5 seconds less finger tapping per 10 albums transferred to your MP3 player | Jan 17 07:27 |
| ender2070 | USB 3 also has more shielding | Jan 17 07:27 |
| ender2070 | thats also a weak example | Jan 17 07:27 |
| ender2070 | try transfering 1TB | Jan 17 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | it's the kind of thing people are likely to do | Jan 17 07:28 |
| ender2070 | people are likely to operate external backup drives too | Jan 17 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: 42.6 minutes on USB 3 | Jan 17 07:29 |
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| DaemonFC | 4.85 hours on USB 2 | Jan 17 07:29 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - now, if you're backing up 20 servers, you think you'd want to stick with USB 2 ? | Jan 17 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | no | Jan 17 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | but I'm not backing up servers | Jan 17 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | USB 2 still has plenty of bandwidth for me | Jan 17 07:30 |
| ender2070 | then stick with your pentium 4 | Jan 17 07:30 |
| ender2070 | the rest of us have actual work to do | Jan 17 07:30 |
| cubezzz | I run my email server on a p3 :) | Jan 17 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | I don't routinely transfer terabytes over USB | Jan 17 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, I've never done that | Jan 17 07:31 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - because its not feasible right now | Jan 17 07:31 |
| ender2070 | why dont you stick with PCI-Express 1.0 | Jan 17 07:31 |
| ender2070 | no cards even use the full bandwidth of that yet | Jan 17 07:32 |
| ender2070 | u see where this is going? | Jan 17 07:33 |
| ender2070 | no reason not to support new technology | Jan 17 07:33 |
| ender2070 | its not even that hard to make the driver | Jan 17 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just saying it's not worth tossing out your whole PC just over USB 3.0 | Jan 17 07:34 |
| ender2070 | usb3 isnt for joe user transfering porn to his iturd | Jan 17 07:34 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - you dont need to | Jan 17 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | but yeah, people will get it when they replace equipment | Jan 17 07:35 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - PCI-E 2.0 usb cards | Jan 17 07:35 |
| zer0c00l | in/leave | Jan 17 07:35 |
| zer0c00l | lol | Jan 17 07:35 |
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| ender2070 | emacs! | Jan 17 07:35 |
| ender2070 | lol I bet emacs supports usb3, even though its not an OS | Jan 17 07:36 |
| cubezzz | whatever, I'm a vi guy :) | Jan 17 07:36 |
| cubezzz | the right tool for the right job, not a super duper swiss army knife with a fold out micro television set | Jan 17 07:37 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - also look up "Lenin's Tomb" - its a nice superstitious egyptian pyramid tomb, with him mummified inside - perfect for an atheist | Jan 17 07:37 |
| cubezzz | 86 years | Jan 17 07:40 |
| cubezzz | that's a long time | Jan 17 07:40 |
| ender2070 | old flag of east germany - http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/Flags/de-ddr.html | Jan 17 07:45 |
| ender2070 | the communist hammer/sickle is older, its masonic | Jan 17 07:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Woken by a whippet and a greyhound taking turns sniffing and licking my face. Delightful. :) #fb | Jan 17 07:50 | |
| ender2070 | we're taxed heavily for defense | Jan 17 07:52 |
| ender2070 | but look closely at the word and dont let the SPELL of spelling fool you | Jan 17 07:52 |
| ender2070 | de (the) fense cages us in | Jan 17 07:52 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: They should say it's for offense | Jan 17 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | cause that's what it's for most of the time | Jan 17 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | a military with over 400,000 soldiers in it is not for defensive purposes | Jan 17 07:55 |
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| DaemonFC | it's to have the capacity to wage a war of aggression | Jan 17 07:55 |
| ender2070 | this is way over your head daemon | Jan 17 07:55 |
| ender2070 | im not even talking about that | Jan 17 07:56 |
| _Goblin | Morning all. | Jan 17 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.sjgames.com/SS/pdk-article.html | Jan 17 07:57 |
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| ender2070 | the profane don't understand that "defense" actually means to cage us in | Jan 17 07:57 |
| ender2070 | de (the) fense | Jan 17 07:57 |
| ender2070 | there are hidden words inside of words, and hidden meanings as well that you won't understand unless you're versed in ancient history | Jan 17 08:00 |
| ender2070 | or read material by those who are, and who source their material for verification | Jan 17 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | he mentioned the Secret Service raid when I talked to him at Inconjunction in 1994 | Jan 17 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | that was a total pile of shit, what they did to him | Jan 17 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | he ended up suing the government and getting quite a bit of money in damages | Jan 17 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogre_%28game%29 | Jan 17 08:09 |
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| DaemonFC | I used to play that quite a bit | Jan 17 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.freaknet.org.uk/graphics01/g11/Fedsnheds.pdf | Jan 17 08:14 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070: I'd print that off at the library, but they'd probably arrest me for terrorism | Jan 17 08:14 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jan 17 08:15 |
| ender2070 | you are a terrorist | Jan 17 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | how do you figure? | Jan 17 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | "You've been burned. Half your Marijuana turns out to be OREGANO, throw that half away, or use it on a pizza" | Jan 17 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 17 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | "You inhale a still-burning joint trying to smoke it down to the very end. GO TO FREE CLINIC. PAY $15 | Jan 17 08:20 |
| cubezzz | what are you playing to DaemonFC, drugopoly? :) | Jan 17 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | Feds 'n Heads | Jan 17 08:23 |
| cubezzz | go to free clinic pay $15? :) | Jan 17 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | "Out of papers again, you smoke an ounce of weed rolled in NEWSPAPER, develop a lung infection, and lose a turn" | Jan 17 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | rofl | Jan 17 08:24 |
| ender2070 | Charles Galton-Darwin "The masses learn by mimicking their betters." | Jan 17 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | when I ran out and wasn't at home, I usually just poked a hole in the side of a pop/beer can and smoked it through that | Jan 17 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | I know, aluminum | Jan 17 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | I preferred those clear papers, the see through ones | Jan 17 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | the rolling machine is less likely to jam and you can fit more in cause the paper is stronger | Jan 17 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: What got me off of drugs was LSD | Jan 17 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | someone slipped some into a bag of weed they sold me back in February of 2008 | Jan 17 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | and I spend the next 5 hours of my life in hell | Jan 17 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | throwing up, stumbling around, heart racing hallucinations | Jan 17 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | felt like my skin was burning off | Jan 17 08:29 |
| ender2070 | doesnt sound like LSD | Jan 17 08:30 |
| ender2070 | how do u know | Jan 17 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | I asked what it was and the guy said it might have been LSD | Jan 17 08:30 |
| ender2070 | might* | Jan 17 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | but he doesn't know what his dealer sold him | Jan 17 08:30 |
| ender2070 | LSD is weaker than shrooms in regards to the trip | Jan 17 08:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | [02:55:31] <ender2070> the profane don't understand that "defense" actually means to cage us in | Jan 17 08:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | [02:55:55] <ender2070> de (the) fense | Jan 17 08:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | [02:58:36] <ender2070> there are hidden words inside of words, and hidden meanings as well that you won't understand unless you're versed in ancient history | Jan 17 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | best idea I have, I know it wasn't weed | Jan 17 08:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | "woah." | Jan 17 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: What would you guess it was? | Jan 17 08:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | lets move the discussion to microsoft | Jan 17 08:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | why in holy fuck hasn't microsoft unified their fucking mobile OS yet | Jan 17 08:31 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jan 17 08:31 |
| ender2070 | I was reading masonic literature | Jan 17 08:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | zune doesnt run winmo OR winmo 7 isn't zune OS 2.0 | Jan 17 08:31 |
| ender2070 | zune is a fucking brick | Jan 17 08:32 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, seriously you use zune? | Jan 17 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: They probably don't want Zune to be useful as a mobile PC | Jan 17 08:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: no | Jan 17 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | would be my guess | Jan 17 08:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just dont understand why microsoft is so fucking retarded | Jan 17 08:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | they could be androiding the problem! | Jan 17 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | are you sure it's not a stripped down Windows Mobile? | Jan 17 08:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, technically osxing the problem | Jan 17 08:32 |
| cubezzz | I don't hear much good about zune | Jan 17 08:33 |
| ender2070 | its ms | Jan 17 08:33 |
| ender2070 | what isnt retarded | Jan 17 08:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | but they'd have to basically make winmo a derivative of the NT OS | Jan 17 08:33 |
| cubezzz | and yet most of the world uses it :-/ | Jan 17 08:33 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Microsoft has to watch out that nothing they sell eats into the sales of another thing they sell | Jan 17 08:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: actually | Jan 17 08:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont know anyone with a winmo phone | Jan 17 08:33 |
| ender2070 | or ELSE? | Jan 17 08:33 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jan 17 08:33 |
| ender2070 | stupid name for a phone | Jan 17 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | I've played with a Windows Mobile phone | Jan 17 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | but it's been a couple years | Jan 17 08:34 |
| cubezzz | I still like zaurus, until I find something better | Jan 17 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | and it didn't blow my skirt up | Jan 17 08:34 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - netbooks | Jan 17 08:35 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft was never really very good, I can remember all the way back to the beginning | Jan 17 08:35 |
| cubezzz | and I always disliked Microsoft | Jan 17 08:35 |
| cubezzz | but BeOS died and Commodore messed up and there you go | Jan 17 08:36 |
| ender2070 | microsoft is hiding under my bed | Jan 17 08:36 |
| ender2070 | :( | Jan 17 08:36 |
| cubezzz | I would have been much happier to go Venix -> SCO Unix Sys V -> Linux | Jan 17 08:37 |
| cubezzz | instead I was herded into Microsoftland from 1994 -> 2003 | Jan 17 08:38 |
| ender2070 | http://ask.slashdot.org/story/10/01/17/014215/Providing-a-Closed-Source-License-Upon-Request | Jan 17 08:38 |
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| ender2070 | "companies very often request a different license citing as a valid reason that the creator of such platform has special terms forbidding 'open source software' in the contracts forced upon the developer" | Jan 17 08:39 |
| cubezzz | Sharp kind of botched up things with their modules though | Jan 17 08:44 |
| cubezzz | the Ideal FOSS pocket device, I haven't yet seen | Jan 17 08:44 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] i burnt the omelette :( | Jan 17 08:46 | |
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| schestowitz | > I'm sorry that I don't use meaningful titles on my emails anymore. I do this because I don't think they are encrypted and you often publish large chunks of what I send. That gives the bad guys a big chunk of clear text to match and should make cracking our keys a lot easier for them. I don't think you will publish much more than links here and hope you have time to read and enjoy the first essay linked here. | Jan 17 10:03 |
| schestowitz | > David Reed has a WP blog. He does not write frequently in it but here's a very intersting note I found on internet history and good attitude there: | Jan 17 10:03 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.reed.com/blog-dpr/?page_id=6 | Jan 17 10:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 17 10:03 |
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| schestowitz | > Reed is surely one of the good guys. Unfortunately, his robots.txt file blocks everyone from indexing his page. The way that I found his blog was because Google once again lost his Open Spectrum reference page. He has interesting things to say about "IP" and other subjects here: | Jan 17 10:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 17 10:03 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.reed.com/dpr/locus/thoughts.html | Jan 17 10:03 |
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| schestowitz | > | Jan 17 10:03 |
| schestowitz | > Open Spectrum, however, is his best. Richard Stallman has done a more consistent and better job of tackling these problems from a philosophical perspective. I cite Reed to show there's a technical imperative to what's philosophically sound and because a chorus of technical opinion undercuts propaganda that portrays Stallman and the FSF as outlying extremists. It is difficult to argue with the technical prowess of Reed and Bose | Jan 17 10:03 |
| schestowitz | Jan 17 10:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Leaves Microsoft Behind Based on Jobs http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10436029-16.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=TheOpenRoad | Jan 17 10:22 | |
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| Adus | Morning | Jan 17 10:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux / #Android to Target Microwaves and Dishwashers, Android 2.1 Released http://ur1.ca/k1a7 | Jan 17 10:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GenoCAD Becomes #FreeSoftware http://www.ddj.com/linux-open-source/222300940?cid=RSSfeed_DDJ_OpenSource | Jan 17 10:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NetNeutrality Under Threat Because oft he Copyright Cartel http://ur1.ca/k1ar http://ur1.ca/k1as | Jan 17 10:46 | |
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| Adus | Presume you have already seen this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8463516.stm | Jan 17 10:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #ACTA for #IntellectualMonopolies and More Backlash http://ur1.ca/k1az http://madhatter.ca/?p=117 | Jan 17 10:47 | |
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| cubezzz | IE? What is that? | Jan 17 10:47 |
| Adus | Dunno, I don't use it either. It's a browser I think :p | Jan 17 10:49 |
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| Adus | Opera all the way! | Jan 17 10:49 |
| cubezzz | Sharp put Opera on the zaurus | Jan 17 10:49 |
| cubezzz | I'm neutral on opera | Jan 17 10:50 |
| cubezzz | it has some good points, but it's still closed | Jan 17 10:50 |
| Adus | I just really like it, and I love the pre-alpha 10.5 release. It looks so much better | Jan 17 10:50 |
| Adus | Just because it's closed doesn't neccesarily make it bad :p | Jan 17 10:51 |
| cubezzz | it's hardly ideal | Jan 17 10:52 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure most people don't care though | Jan 17 10:52 |
| cubezzz | something like lynx, you can look at the source and it's reasonably easy to follow | Jan 17 10:54 |
| cubezzz | but once you get into a modern browser it's so complex that no one but browser devs understand it | Jan 17 10:55 |
| Adus | that's like anything these days though. | Jan 17 10:57 |
| cubezzz | KISS is apt | Jan 17 10:58 |
| cubezzz | that's why there are guys writing stuff like LFS and TinyCore | Jan 17 10:58 |
| cubezzz | I still use lynx for some things | Jan 17 10:59 |
| cubezzz | people ask me about ncurses apps | Jan 17 10:59 |
| cubezzz | compare something like (just as an example) vuze to rtorrent | Jan 17 11:00 |
| cubezzz | or Microsoft Office to sc | Jan 17 11:01 |
| cubezzz | I'm getting more interested in text based apps | Jan 17 11:03 |
| Adus | Yeh, but my point is that my area is just like browser, it's got to the point where no one understands it without a lot of research | Jan 17 11:05 |
| Adus | which most people don't bother with | Jan 17 11:05 |
| Adus | It's a pain, we find it very hard to hire people | Jan 17 11:05 |
| cubezzz | no reason lynx can't be used for stocks, weather, or even internet banking | Jan 17 11:06 |
| cubezzz | but I bet most banks don't support lynx | Jan 17 11:07 |
| cubezzz | actually I'll try it and see what happens | Jan 17 11:08 |
| Adus | Most people are too stupid to use a text-based app anyway :p | Jan 17 11:09 |
| cubezzz | ok, that does not work at all | Jan 17 11:10 |
| cubezzz | not sure why though | Jan 17 11:10 |
| Adus | Most internet banking struggles in Firefox and Opera, let alone on a text-based client :p | Jan 17 11:11 |
| cubezzz | it works well for the weather | Jan 17 11:11 |
| Adus | So does my desktop gadget which gets weather :p | Jan 17 11:16 |
| cubezzz | example: | Jan 17 11:16 |
| cubezzz | lynx http://www.google.ca/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:RHT | Jan 17 11:16 |
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| cubezzz | I don't have to load up firefox or Opera | Jan 17 11:16 |
| cubezzz | or umm | Jan 17 11:16 |
| cubezzz | lynx "http://www.google.ca/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:RHT" | Jan 17 11:16 |
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| cubezzz | Adus, the point is I don't have to have this big pig of a program to do certain things | Jan 17 11:17 |
| cubezzz | no IE, no firefox, no opera | Jan 17 11:17 |
| cubezzz | google finance works pretty well too | Jan 17 11:18 |
| cubezzz | yeah I have a weather gadget on KDE | Jan 17 11:23 |
| cubezzz | but it doesn't have a long range forecast | Jan 17 11:23 |
| cubezzz | my bank did a good job with firefox | Jan 17 11:26 |
| cubezzz | I can't complain | Jan 17 11:26 |
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| DaemonFC | well, from what I can gather, it's my video card | Jan 17 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | everything that uses shaders is garbled in Wine | Jan 17 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | on ATI cards | Jan 17 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7? | Jan 17 12:30 |
| oiaohm | Not everything. And it not all cards either DaemonFC | Jan 17 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Its a section of ATI cards DaemonFC | Jan 17 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | So I'm the lucky owner of one of the select models that does this | Jan 17 12:31 |
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| DaemonFC | also, I tried the latest xorg-video-ati driver for X and that's progressed a lot, but still useless for any kind of gaming | Jan 17 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Some of the issues will disappear with the upcomming mesa DaemonFC | Jan 17 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | even Linux games won't work right, so I didn't even bother trying anything on Wine | Jan 17 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Lack of blitter in current open source drivers kicks the death out lot of games DaemonFC | Jan 17 12:33 |
| oiaohm | If you running development branch mesa you have the blitter that makes a lot of games that don't work run perfect. | Jan 17 12:33 |
| DaemonFC | it would be nice if Linux would have support for my card before it's totally obsolete | Jan 17 12:34 |
| oiaohm | Transition is always nasty. | Jan 17 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | sure enough, the driver fully supports old hardware, budget cards, etc. | Jan 17 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX is a slug, it even makes menus in the desktop environment lag | Jan 17 12:35 |
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| oiaohm | All the docs for upto all cards up to the last ones ie evergreens is out DaemonFC | Jan 17 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Creating the framework to support all the cards is taking lots of resources. | Jan 17 12:52 |
| DaemonFC | Novell fired one of their employees that was working on this | Jan 17 12:52 |
| oiaohm | The ati open source drivers are not developed by Novell | Jan 17 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Anymore. | Jan 17 12:53 |
| oiaohm | So that change made zero difference DaemonFC | Jan 17 12:53 |
| cubezzz | I'm still not sure what a good video card (with open source drivers) would be | Jan 17 12:53 |
| cubezzz | no one has been able to say "this card does it" | Jan 17 12:54 |
| DaemonFC | maybe 6-8 months from now | Jan 17 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Because at this stage there is not any card with open source driver that is ideal. | Jan 17 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Hard thing to get with like the Rxxx cards from ATI all cards are basically evolutionary. | Jan 17 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Each built on top of tech of the past ones. So before you can build for new the old has to be caught up. | Jan 17 12:57 |
| oiaohm | This is why you are seeing old cards supported so well DaemonFC | Jan 17 12:57 |
| cubezzz | even an old one oiaohm for my P3 box would do | Jan 17 12:59 |
| cubezzz | this box has a Jaton 3DForce B-32 Plus Nvidia AGP Card | Jan 17 13:01 |
| cubezzz | something as good as that, with 3d | Jan 17 13:01 |
| oiaohm | R100-R500 ATI cards are mostly done cubezzz http://www.x.org/wiki/radeon | Jan 17 13:04 |
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| oiaohm | They are just 3 generation behind that is the prroblem cubezzz | Jan 17 13:04 |
| cubezzz | fine, this box is old :) | Jan 17 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Then there are intel card that how can I say perform like a dog. | Jan 17 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Might be 100 percent support but does not matter the OS there performance suxs. | Jan 17 13:06 |
| cubezzz | ok, I'm only getting 300 fps from glxgears | Jan 17 13:06 |
| cubezzz | so something as good as that shouldn't be difficult | Jan 17 13:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Meeting With Steve Ballmer Led Anti- #GNU #Linux Executive to Quitting http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/17/veghte-story-and-comes/ | Jan 17 13:07 | |
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| oiaohm | Yep crappy and old ati should well and truely beat that cubezzz | Jan 17 13:07 |
| DaemonFC | glxgears isn't a benchmark | Jan 17 13:07 |
| cubezzz | wasn't there an open nividia driver that could do 2d but not 3d? | Jan 17 13:07 |
| cubezzz | but now when I look for the source code I can't seem to find it | Jan 17 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | yes, a couple of them | Jan 17 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | one is maintained by Nvidia, the other is reverse engineered | Jan 17 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | the reverse engineered one is better | Jan 17 13:08 |
| oiaohm | http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ Biggest issue with both is lack of power management to prevent overheats. | Jan 17 13:09 |
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| DaemonFC | how do you overheat the thing with 2d | Jan 17 13:09 |
| cubezzz | I think it was just nv.o or something like that | Jan 17 13:09 |
| oiaohm | nv is nvidia own cubezzz | Jan 17 13:10 |
| oiaohm | That sadly nvidia has said will be 2d only and only gets the barest of support to work. | Jan 17 13:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @shioyama: "The main effect of the Internet on language has been to increase the expressive richness of language" http://bit.ly/8JVH27 (v | Jan 17 13:12 | |
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| cubezzz | oiaohm, but the source is available? | Jan 17 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Without comments cubezzz | Jan 17 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Yes its source with basically zero docs | Jan 17 13:13 |
| oiaohm | So you really have no clues why its particular doing things cubezzz | Jan 17 13:13 |
| cubezzz | hrmmm | Jan 17 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | they want to make it as useless as possible to anyone trying to figure out how to make their cards work | Jan 17 13:16 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60A5E720100113 | Jan 17 13:50 |
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| DaemonFC | the bill is unconstitutional in many ways | Jan 17 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | the purchasing mandate, the singling out of Nebraska to pay nothing for Medicaid, the federal government having access to your bank account and personal health records.... | Jan 17 13:54 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Don't give Haitians a penny, says rightwing US shock jock | The true face of the Republican conservative mindset http://tinyurl.com/yb5wdox | Jan 17 14:54 | |
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| MinceR | http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/01/imagination_fails_me.php | Jan 17 15:09 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: Customers also tagged the wafers "cannibalism", "zombie jesus", "altar boy", "crunchy christ", and "needs lube" | Jan 17 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | oh, don't forget "jesus crisps" | Jan 17 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 17 15:14 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 17 15:18 |
| MinceR | well, they do practice ritual cannibalism with them | Jan 17 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | no, they just pretend it's Jesus | Jan 17 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | I want to see Jesus come back just cause I want to know if the Catholics will go eat him | Jan 17 15:21 |
| MinceR | afaik they believe they ritually transmutate it into the flesh of jesus | Jan 17 15:21 |
| MinceR | which is human flesh | Jan 17 15:21 |
| MinceR | also, blood | Jan 17 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | they believe they do | Jan 17 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | the ones that understand what's going on | Jan 17 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | most Catholics probably have no idea what transubstantiation is | Jan 17 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | Christians are sheep, they even call themselves sheep (though not realizing that they're right) | Jan 17 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | they're there because years of child abuse got them into the habit | Jan 17 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | or they use it as a way to "fit in" | Jan 17 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | kind of like nobody would go to the bar and spend $3 a beer alone | Jan 17 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | it's group stupidity | Jan 17 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I was forced to go to a Catholic school | Jan 17 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | not like a 6 year old has a lot of say in the matter | Jan 17 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | over the first three years, everyone wondered why I was misbehaving | Jan 17 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | I was trying to get thrown out | Jan 17 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | eventually succeeded | Jan 17 15:27 |
| MinceR | they probably even believe, they're only mistaken about who the shepherd is | Jan 17 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | the people making all the money off it | Jan 17 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | Hint: The money in the plate doesn't go to God | Jan 17 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | the preacher even lives in a house paid for by the church | Jan 17 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | draws a lucrative salary | Jan 17 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | maybe he even drives way out of town to go to strip clubs or solicit prostitutes | Jan 17 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | you don't know what he's doing with that money, he is as likely to be corrupt as anyone else | Jan 17 15:30 |
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| Eruaran | hello | Jan 17 15:58 |
| schestowitz | http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2010/01/of-ripples-in-pond.html | Jan 17 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://brucebyfield.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/the-right-to-comment/ | Jan 17 16:01 |
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| Omar87_ | Hi all. | Jan 17 16:02 |
| Omar87_ | rnb: Hi | Jan 17 16:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-01-15-031-35-NW-MS-LL-0000 | Jan 17 16:08 |
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| ender2070 | the right to comment, I think he indirectly references my blog | Jan 17 16:14 |
| ender2070 | "However, I think that erring on the side of caution is reasonable, especially since at least one determined commenter seems to have been required to close down his own blog." | Jan 17 16:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Takes Responsibility for Internet Explorer Chaos, #Conficker Damage Carries on http://ur1.ca/k1px | Jan 17 16:22 | |
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| DaemonFC | A major American city is under water and it takes the government a week to respond | Jan 17 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | there's an earthquake in Haiti and the next day we're sending food, medical supplies, and money | Jan 17 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | the Haitians must not be shooting at the rescue workers like the residents of New Orleans were | Jan 17 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 17 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | I know if my house was floating down what was the street and I hadn't eaten in three days, I'd shoot at the rescue workers | Jan 17 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | and looting shit at Walmart | Jan 17 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | these people weren't looting to get food, clothes, blankets, diapers, etc.... | Jan 17 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | just the essentials, like big screen TV sets, bicycles, and stereos | Jan 17 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | it was beyond being something out of a third world country | Jan 17 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | not even the Haitians are acting like that | Jan 17 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Great comic: http://www.penguinpetes.com/Doomed_to_Obscurity/index.php?strip=0000194.jpg | Jan 17 16:33 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz: how is phIRCe-local been doing? | Jan 17 16:35 |
| trmanco | how has* | Jan 17 16:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.osor.eu/news/eu-european-parliament-restart-workgroup-on-open-source-software | Jan 17 16:36 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: quite well, it crashes once | Jan 17 16:36 |
| schestowitz | *shed | Jan 17 16:36 |
| trmanco | hmm | Jan 17 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Maybe freenode-related | Jan 17 16:36 |
| trmanco | did it give you any output | Jan 17 16:36 |
| trmanco | ah | Jan 17 16:37 |
| trmanco | it's not netsplit proof | Jan 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | It was on and off for an hour some days back | Jan 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.osor.eu/news/hu-open-standards-made-mandatory-for-public-administrations | Jan 17 16:38 |
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| trmanco | netsplits | Jan 17 16:39 |
| trmanco | :/ | Jan 17 16:39 |
| schestowitz | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-384188.html | Jan 17 16:39 |
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| schestowitz | Linux win | Jan 17 16:39 |
| trmanco | what | Jan 17 16:41 |
| trmanco | both linux | Jan 17 16:41 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Just finished reading "Stallman does dallas" http://www.stallman.org/articles/texas.html #humor #rms :-) | Jan 17 16:41 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Stop using facebook (old one ) http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jan/14/facebook | Jan 17 16:51 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: With friends like these ... Tom Hodgkinson on the politics of the people behind Facebook |Technology |The Guardian .::. Size~: 92.25 KB | Jan 17 16:51 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Don't publish with IEEE http://cr.yp.to/writing/ieee.html | Jan 17 16:56 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.doyouremember.be/blog1.php/2010/01/16/gentoo-lol | Jan 17 16:58 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] “Cyberattacks are an unfortunate way of life” (If you use #Windows) -Ballmer http://bit.ly/5mzgZ9 | Jan 17 16:59 | |
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| trmanco | that facebook thing | Jan 17 16:59 |
| trmanco | people need to know how to control themselves | Jan 17 16:59 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Grr... I should stop reading stallman's personal website http://www.stallman.org/ and do some work! (If you are free read it!) | Jan 17 17:01 | |
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| DaemonFC | controlling yourself on facebook is not going to happen | Jan 17 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | that's like saying you want relaxing music that doesn't make you look like a douche | Jan 17 17:05 |
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| ender2070 | lol | Jan 17 17:07 |
| ender2070 | daemon cracks me up | Jan 17 17:07 |
| ender2070 | its fun sometimes to get him going with wacky shit | Jan 17 17:07 |
| schestowitz | I sometimes think he fakes it | Jan 17 17:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've just created multiple folderview plasmoids and I love it. Drag-and-drop FTW. #kde | Jan 17 17:09 | |
| schestowitz | ender2070: I've never seen someone so angry *and* gay | Jan 17 17:10 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 17 17:11 |
| schestowitz | No seriously | Jan 17 17:12 |
| schestowitz | It's not funny | Jan 17 17:12 |
| schestowitz | All gay people I've come across are gentle, apologetic etc. and this dude is like a white supremacist | Jan 17 17:12 |
| ender2070 | I think he just likes to argue | Jan 17 17:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cringely.com/2010/01/google-2010-what-makes-the-muskrat-guard-his-musk/ | Jan 17 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | This is a good blog | Jan 17 17:15 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: to troll maybe | Jan 17 17:16 |
| schestowitz | That's what he has done since he first showed up here | Jan 17 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Trolling ext4 IIRC | Jan 17 17:16 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jan 17 17:17 |
| ender2070 | now he just trolls linux | Jan 17 17:17 |
| MinceR | i think he trolls Unamerica more now :> | Jan 17 17:17 |
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| ender2070 | unamerica? | Jan 17 17:17 |
| MinceR | the part of the Earth that isn't Jesusland | Jan 17 17:18 |
| ThistleWeb | Jesusland sounds like a Republican funded theme park | Jan 17 17:18 |
| MinceR | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Mapofunamerica.jpg | Jan 17 17:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: File:Mapofunamerica.jpg - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 25.9 KB | Jan 17 17:18 |
| MinceR | i like to call the USA "Jesusland" | Jan 17 17:19 |
| ThistleWeb | with rides like "walk a mile in his sandles" where you walk through a tunnel with sand, and model sheep at the side of the path and some planet destroying lightbulbs....and you buy an expensive pair of Jesusland sandles or you can't play | Jan 17 17:20 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 17 17:21 |
| ThistleWeb | or a "turn water into Jesusland wine" where you get to wave your hand over a device showing water, and a vending machine spits out an over priced bottle of cheap Jesusland wine | Jan 17 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Underrated but boring blog: http://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2010/01/economic-performance-and-social-progress.html | Jan 17 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | He put IBM on Linux a decade ago | Jan 17 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Who know where Linux would be if he hadn't done this | Jan 17 17:23 |
| ThistleWeb | they could sell wigs too, for the white collar hippy who only has a day to get in with his inner Jesus and has long since resigned himself to polishing his head | Jan 17 17:23 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: that's OK | Jan 17 17:23 |
| schestowitz | At least we know he is | Jan 17 17:23 |
| schestowitz | What bothers me most now are fake "Linux people" | Jan 17 17:23 |
| schestowitz | People who pretend to be Linux users | Jan 17 17:23 |
| schestowitz | They try to abolish Linux and FOSS | Jan 17 17:23 |
| schestowitz | And it's a form of takeover | Jan 17 17:23 |
| schestowitz | I remember when we didn't have fanboys of Vista and OS Axe running things around FOSS | Jan 17 17:24 |
| MinceR | so do i | Jan 17 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy came here just as the daemon has left | Jan 17 17:25 |
| schestowitz | *had | Jan 17 17:25 |
| ender2070 | I hate fake linux people too | Jan 17 17:26 |
| ender2070 | fake open source people bother me a lot too | Jan 17 17:26 |
| ender2070 | those who want to co-opt the community for free labour (ACCESS) | Jan 17 17:26 |
| schestowitz | "Stay in line, b*s, carry on coding and stuff talking about rights and freedom....." | Jan 17 17:27 |
| schestowitz | But IBM can be like that too | Jan 17 17:27 |
| schestowitz | IBM has many paid developers | Jan 17 17:28 |
| schestowitz | They also do some marketing | Jan 17 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Some. | Jan 17 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is best | Jan 17 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Most patches, and not just for Linux | Jan 17 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu sort of goes mainstream but doesn't do as much heavy lifting | Jan 17 17:28 |
| schestowitz | But Ubuntu is not a parasite | Jan 17 17:28 |
| schestowitz | It's still losing money, AFAIK | Jan 17 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Contradictory reports on that | Jan 17 17:29 |
| ender2070 | the access mobile platform, the only thing open source about it is the open source apps, drivers and kernel they borrow from the community | Jan 17 17:29 |
| ender2070 | their own apps are all proprietary | Jan 17 17:29 |
| ender2070 | they are just as bad as microsoft for having a proprietary web browser | Jan 17 17:30 |
| ender2070 | [12:26] <schestowitz> Red Hat is best +1 | Jan 17 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Apple goes nasty: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10436415-37.html | Jan 17 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Retaliation | Jan 17 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia used ITC vs Apple | Jan 17 17:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.startribune.com/business/81030732.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUsX | Jan 17 17:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Web tools can help shape up finances | StarTribune.com .::. Size~: 68.79 KB | Jan 17 17:33 |
| schestowitz | "I had 12 years of data in MS Money which was great, but it turned out to be not that hard to start over in another program. Just export a few reports showing totals for the years in different categories and for different payees and move on. (In my case I'm using the free software KMyMoney on Ubuntu.)" | Jan 17 17:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.news24.com/Content/Columnists/ChrisMoerdyk/1036/6ac68ecb1bf24758908d5bcdc2571fe5/11-01-2010-09-16/Money-grubbing_municipalities | Jan 17 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Jan 17 17:34 |
| schestowitz | "It is controlled by the Ubuntu Municipality " | Jan 17 17:34 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Money-grubbing municipalities: News24: Columnists: ChrisMoerdyk .::. Size~: 127.54 KB | Jan 17 17:34 |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/19267204 | Jan 17 17:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Matt (madalu) 's status on Sunday, 17-Jan-10 17:31:00 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.85 KB | Jan 17 17:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] PM's petition against child immigration detention http://is.gd/6sqAN Why: http://is.gd/6sqEZ Please forward | Jan 17 17:36 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Petition to: end child immigration detention. | Number10.gov.uk .::. Size~: 24.25 KB | Jan 17 17:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Roll calls, body searches and sex games | openDemocracy .::. Size~: 43.56 KB | Jan 17 17:36 |
| ender2070 | http://alp.access-company.com/files/ALP_E_2009_01.pdf | Jan 17 17:36 |
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| ender2070 | check the last page | Jan 17 17:36 |
| ender2070 | its even worse now, very little is open source | Jan 17 17:36 |
| ender2070 | and they diss android | Jan 17 17:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: D is addicted to the emotions and the fantasy | Jan 17 17:36 |
| ender2070 | android is more open, they hate it | Jan 17 17:37 |
| ender2070 | google pwns them | Jan 17 17:37 |
| ender2070 | Bruce Perens even said ACCESS is a sinking ship | Jan 17 17:37 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @BoneKnightmare RT @buzzflash CNN headline 2004: "Bin Laden: Goal is to bankrupt US" http://tinyurl.com/ycekvxx // MISSION ACCOMPLISHED | Jan 17 17:42 | |
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| schestowitz | I never figured out the kde4 plasma desktop when you zoom in/out | Jan 17 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Is there something to be missing out? | Jan 17 17:44 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: it has been _for ages_. I'm surprised they still exist | Jan 17 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Back in 2007 I think they got some Orange deal, but it never went anywhere and they had poor demos/vapourware after Palm sort of did the flirt | Jan 17 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Palm went on to doing Foleo, then WebOS | Jan 17 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Mobile market probably sells far more than desktops now, even revenue wise | Jan 17 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Dell too is starting to do phones... ASUS too | Jan 17 17:47 |
| MinceR | if you zoom out, you can see all your Activities | Jan 17 17:47 |
| schestowitz | sub-notebooks too..... ARM.... Chrome... Linux... whatever... low end, customised by vendor, not a software mafia | Jan 17 17:47 |
| Eruaran | I used the zoom out just to associate Activities with my virtual desktops | Jan 17 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: like what activities? I saw Seigo's demo | Jan 17 17:48 |
| schestowitz | It's not like virtual desktops | Jan 17 17:48 |
| Eruaran | Activities are persistent, while virtual desktops are not | Jan 17 17:49 |
| schestowitz | ANd I messed out the activities thing... losing my track with plasmoids that come and go... took me almost an hour to fix it, now I'm afraid of ever zooming out again | Jan 17 17:49 |
| Eruaran | If you associate a different activity with each virtual desktop then you can have each desktop with a different wallpaper, widgets etc | Jan 17 17:50 |
| MinceR | i only have separate activities for different monitors now | Jan 17 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see... | Jan 17 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Is that useful to many people? | Jan 17 17:51 |
| schestowitz | I used to have different wallpapers for different desktops in 3.5 | Jan 17 17:51 |
| MinceR | i've played with the idea of making a separate activity for desktop applets, but it wasn't comfortable enough | Jan 17 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Same kdesktop icons (~/Desktop) | Jan 17 17:51 |
| MinceR | afaik it's already possible to make plasmoids only exist on the dashboard and not on the desktop | Jan 17 17:52 |
| schestowitz | I'm too much of a n00b for activities ;-) | Jan 17 17:52 |
| Eruaran | zom out > configure plasma > make sure 'different activity for each desktop' is ticked | Jan 17 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Just to make the desktops act like a stack? | Jan 17 17:52 |
| Eruaran | its a workspace | Jan 17 17:52 |
| schestowitz | I don't use widgets much | Jan 17 17:52 |
| Eruaran | they'll make more sense as time goes on I think | Jan 17 17:53 |
| schestowitz | I already have 16 screens to act as workspaces | Jan 17 17:53 |
| schestowitz | And the pager manages them fine | Jan 17 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: I hope | Jan 17 17:53 |
| Eruaran | persistant workspaces - everything stays where it is all the time | Jan 17 17:53 |
| Eruaran | you could have a work activity and a home activity on your notebook and have it automatically change with geo location | Jan 17 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Idiotic shop: http://netbookboards.com/2010/01/12/guy-installs-linux-on-a-netbook-best-buy-voids-his-warranty/ | Jan 17 17:55 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Guy Installs Linux on a Netbook, Best Buy Voids His Warranty | NetbookBoards.com .::. Size~: 38.85 KB | Jan 17 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: oh, I see... like work/home | Jan 17 17:56 |
| Eruaran | Activities and widgets will become more useful on mobile devices | Jan 17 17:56 |
| schestowitz | So you don't have your "daring girls" wallpapers when you pick your notebooks to the boss /sarcasm | Jan 17 17:56 |
| Eruaran | yes | Jan 17 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Desktops for moods | Jan 17 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Move to activity based on songs | Jan 17 17:57 |
| Eruaran | yeah the idea is to have what you like | Jan 17 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Well, it's good that the infrastructure is there | Jan 17 17:57 |
| schestowitz | That's why they rewrote KDE | Jan 17 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Facilitating for the future, more hooks for developers like multitouch and audio interfaces that never hang up | Jan 17 17:58 |
| Eruaran | It's something that I think will have more application in the future as everything goes mobile and convergent | Jan 17 17:58 |
| schestowitz | I never have any sound issues in kDE4 | Jan 17 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Linux is good at making everything extensible: | Jan 17 17:58 |
| schestowitz | # of users | Jan 17 17:58 |
| schestowitz | # of virtual desktops | Jan 17 17:58 |
| schestowitz | # of tty (almost) | Jan 17 17:58 |
| schestowitz | # of plasma spaces | Jan 17 17:58 |
| schestowitz | # of RAM modules | Jan 17 17:58 |
| schestowitz | # of ethernet cards | Jan 17 17:59 |
| Eruaran | Remember, Plasma is pretty powerful - in the future an Activity could be an entirely different interface | Jan 17 17:59 |
| schestowitz | # of monitors (display devices) | Jan 17 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Even input devices | Jan 17 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Multi-user machines | Jan 17 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Or multi-desktop machines | Jan 17 17:59 |
| schestowitz | I suppose activity can be a containment of UI for kids | Jan 17 18:00 |
| schestowitz | So you could pass a machine with a simplified UI to a kid | Jan 17 18:00 |
| MinceR | i'd rather give him his own user account | Jan 17 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, the idea that you can have multiple sessions is a good placeholder | Jan 17 18:00 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: but then you might need to log off | Jan 17 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Slow. | Jan 17 18:01 |
| MinceR | i can use the Switch User function | Jan 17 18:01 |
| MinceR | which also locks my session | Jan 17 18:01 |
| schestowitz | RAM intensive | Jan 17 18:01 |
| schestowitz | You run two sessions separately | Jan 17 18:01 |
| MinceR | it's also more secure | Jan 17 18:02 |
| Eruaran | You could have a computer in your pocket that displays the right Activity on the small device screen and also be able to plug into (or wirelessly) connect to an external monitor and KDE knows to show a large panel Activity which is an entirely different looking interface, and another Activity for the car etc... | Jan 17 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Thus guy has been trolling for a month: http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/164582,my-life-with-linux-special-edition-going-back-to-linux-with-ubuntu-netbook-remix.aspx | Jan 17 18:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: My life with Linux special edition: Going back to Linux with Ubuntu Netbook Remix - News - PC Authority .::. Size~: 127.39 KB | Jan 17 18:03 |
| Eruaran | Plasma is a canvas, a place to put containments, a containment can be an Activity or something else... | Jan 17 18:05 |
| schestowitz | http://lifehacker.com/5447123/ubuntu-tweak-05-adds-application-center-for-easier-app-installs | Jan 17 18:05 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Ubuntu Tweak 0.5 Adds Application Center for Easier App Installs - Ubuntu - Lifehacker .::. Size~: 59.97 KB | Jan 17 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: it's weird how containments can be put atb randon location | Jan 17 18:05 |
| Eruaran | A widget can be a containment | Jan 17 18:05 |
| schestowitz | That's what messed things up for me | Jan 17 18:05 |
| schestowitz | I made too many activities and lost track | Jan 17 18:05 |
| Eruaran | They're looking beyond the desktop | Jan 17 18:05 |
| schestowitz | I then restored my main activity somehow | Jan 17 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 is stil very retarded and dumped down | Jan 17 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they have some plugins from third parties, but these break (compat) | Jan 17 18:06 |
| schestowitz | A dumb desktop with not even virtual desktops | Jan 17 18:07 |
| schestowitz | I assume "widgets" (gadgets) can only go in some pane in Vista 7 | Jan 17 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Unless one gets some third-party s/w | Jan 17 18:07 |
| Eruaran | KDE = future stuff w/ nepomuk, geo location, network/remote widgets, dynamically changing Activities and containments | Jan 17 18:07 |
| schestowitz | I should get a chance to try Vista 7... | Jan 17 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Nobody I know here uses it | Jan 17 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Just XP or Linux | Jan 17 18:08 |
| Eruaran | I use it fairly regular | Jan 17 18:08 |
| Eruaran | part of work | Jan 17 18:08 |
| schestowitz | I tried VistXP | Jan 17 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Nothing to see really | Jan 17 18:08 |
| schestowitz | And I assume VIsta 7 will just have that deskbar by defauly | Jan 17 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Not much of a "wow" | Jan 17 18:09 |
| Eruaran | It's Vista SP2 with redesigns by the MS-Office design people | Jan 17 18:09 |
| schestowitz | KDE's panel is very rich in terms of function already | Jan 17 18:09 |
| schestowitz | If that's what a billion-dollar company can achieve in 3 years, no wonder they fail | Jan 17 18:10 |
| Eruaran | KDE has already laid the ground work for ground breaking future coolness | Jan 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: big buttons are not an appealing features | Jan 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | If I wanted Fisher Price buttons and features, I'd use TuxPaint | Jan 17 18:10 |
| Eruaran | The elements are there in KDE, over the next few years the fun stuff really starts to hit the road | Jan 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | I use menus with keyboard accelerators I memorise | Jan 17 18:11 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to click pictures | Jan 17 18:11 |
| schestowitz | People are becoming more familiar with PCs, not less | Jan 17 18:11 |
| schestowitz | So going backwards like this is maybe a reach out to pensioners or something | Jan 17 18:11 |
| schestowitz | But SimplicITy (UK) went with Mint | Jan 17 18:12 |
| schestowitz | They made a simple GUI that way | Jan 17 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Linpus to | Jan 17 18:12 |
| schestowitz | *too | Jan 17 18:12 |
| schestowitz | gnome-shell looks nice, but it's not here yet in distros by default | Jan 17 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Mac OS X has been the same since I saw it like 8 years ago | Jan 17 18:13 |
| schestowitz | We're quite lucky that Apple sucks so much at innovating on the desktop | Jan 17 18:13 |
| Eruaran | KDE currently reminds me of the Amiga | Jan 17 18:14 |
| ender2070 | how is it that windows doesnt have virtual desktops by default | Jan 17 18:14 |
| schestowitz | They spend all their budgets on advertising and cult-building (image formation) while making fun of Microsoft for doing the same | Jan 17 18:14 |
| ender2070 | its sad | Jan 17 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Linux devs hardly blog | Jan 17 18:14 |
| schestowitz | They are busy doing what they like | Jan 17 18:14 |
| Eruaran | The Amiga was a multimedia system long before anyone know what "multimedia" meant, or what to do with it... | Jan 17 18:15 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: even the Apple people who can't grasp having two buttons now have Spaces | Jan 17 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Like 10 years after Linux | Jan 17 18:15 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/aqhrb/i_just_installed_kde_in_ubuntu_holy_hell_when_did/ | Jan 17 18:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: I just installed KDE in Ubuntu - HOLY HELL! When did it get this nice looking?! : linux .::. Size~: 428.1 KB | Jan 17 18:16 |
| ender2070 | :D | Jan 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | "I like my windows like I like my women..." | Jan 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | "Pale, gray and ugly?" | Jan 17 18:17 |
| schestowitz | "Naked man, naked." | Jan 17 18:18 |
| Eruaran | lol | Jan 17 18:18 |
| schestowitz | "sudo apt-get install hot-babe" | Jan 17 18:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "I just installed #KDE in #Ubuntu - HOLY HELL! When did it get this nice looking?!" http://ur1.ca/k1vl | Jan 17 18:18 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: I just installed KDE in Ubuntu - HOLY HELL! When did it get this nice looking?! : linux .::. Size~: 428.08 KB | Jan 17 18:18 |
| schestowitz | "EDIT: For those of you who don't know, it's a real package. She strips based on your CPU usage." | Jan 17 18:18 |
| Eruaran | :O | Jan 17 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I guess in Vista it's just, well...permanently naked | Jan 17 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Hard-drive thrashing :-) harvesting data for hungry Uncle Fester | Jan 17 18:20 |
| Eruaran | What source do I need to add for hot-babe ? | Jan 17 18:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | hot source! | Jan 17 18:20 |
| Eruaran | :p | Jan 17 18:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prweb.com/releases/open_source/email_encryption/prweb3433704.htm | Jan 17 18:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Djigzo, an Open Source Email Encryption Provider, Today Announced That the Company's Encryption Gateway Now Supports Red Hat Linux .::. Size~: 32.66 KB | Jan 17 18:20 |
| amarsh04 | one could have an interesting time looking at packages listed at popcon.debian.org but never part of debian main, contrib or non-free | Jan 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ sudo apt-get install hot-babe | Jan 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | [sudo] password for roy: | Jan 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Reading package lists... Done | Jan 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Building dependency tree | Jan 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Reading state information... Done | Jan 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | E: Couldn't find package hot-babe | Jan 17 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | "- I can't get Fedora 12 to boot on it. I even dug out the USB DVD drive that came with the HP dv2 notebook, in case there was something strange about the timing, but it always hangs at about 7/8 through the boot, according to the on-screen progress indicator." | Jan 17 18:23 |
| schestowitz | http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10014849o-2000498448b,00.htm | Jan 17 18:23 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Community on ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 113.08 KB | Jan 17 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Hey, MrF | Jan 17 18:23 |
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| Michael___ | Hey Roy | Jan 17 18:24 |
| Michael___ | Its MrF | Jan 17 18:24 |
| Michael___ | What is your take on the Haiti situation, in particular the militarisation of American Aid? | Jan 17 18:24 |
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| Michael___ | Do you think the humanitarian operation will be used as a pretext and justification to establish a more permanent US military presence in Haiti. | Jan 17 18:25 |
| *amarsh04 installs wordgrinder - a terminal-based wordprocessor | Jan 17 18:25 | |
| Michael___ | A launchpad for Cuba/Venezuela perhaps? | Jan 17 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Michael___: do you know each other? | Jan 17 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Oh, oops | Jan 17 18:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: very likely. Shock Doctrine. | Jan 17 18:26 |
| schestowitz | You renamed | Jan 17 18:26 |
| Michael___ | I know it wouldnt allow mikey for some reason | Jan 17 18:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: Naomi Wolf has spoken about Haiti | Jan 17 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Katrina was very profitable for some | Jan 17 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz++ | Jan 17 18:27 |
| schestowitz | They must have thought, "mana from heaven" | Jan 17 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yep. | Jan 17 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Actually, Klein did write about this in Shock Doctrine | Jan 17 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes. but she's also spoken post-earthquake | Jan 17 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I didn't read the book, I watch several book promotion/tours though | Jan 17 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ah right, on Katrina | Jan 17 18:27 |
| Michael___ | What is the us militarys mandate i wonder? | Jan 17 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: further american elite interests | Jan 17 18:28 |
| schestowitz | "Only the army can save us....." | Jan 17 18:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: they win both ways. on the supply side and the outcome side. | Jan 17 18:28 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather trust Red Cross | Jan 17 18:28 |
| Michael___ | 10,000 troops to arrive on the ground, is this a humanitarian operation or an invasion?? | Jan 17 18:28 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I never thought about it but: | Jan 17 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Haiti hates the US | Jan 17 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Now they get to play saviour | Jan 17 18:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: notice how they don't much like foreign help in domestic disasters | Jan 17 18:29 |
| schestowitz | After repeatedly blowing the country in the knees | Jan 17 18:29 |
| Michael___ | and establish a permanent military presence | Jan 17 18:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: milk for P/R while busy securing US strategic interests | Jan 17 18:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: chess | Jan 17 18:29 |
| schestowitz | But it's not a logistic risk, Michael___ | Jan 17 18:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: yes | Jan 17 18:29 |
| Michael___ | looting and gunfire is spreading due to desperation, it'll be allowed to get bad enough that military intervention/permanent presence is justified | Jan 17 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Why would they want to treat it like Korea? | Jan 17 18:29 |
| schestowitz | I can see why Korea, but Haiti is not like Pearl Harbor [sic] | Jan 17 18:30 |
| schestowitz | And this one is a natural disaster | Jan 17 18:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Katrina was definitely a pretext for cranking up militarisation domestically. And, as i mentioned the other day, simply shooting to kill | Jan 17 18:30 |
| schestowitz | I didn't watch Katrina closely at the time | Jan 17 18:30 |
| *FurnaceBoy should go find that article | Jan 17 18:31 | |
| schestowitz | FEMA fiasco is what I know about best..... "if you don't use Windows, die" | Jan 17 18:31 |
| schestowitz | PETA...? | Jan 17 18:31 |
| Michael___ | I once read that Tesla had developed a method for creating mini quakes through resonance, | Jan 17 18:31 |
| Michael___ | or something like that:) | Jan 17 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Doubtful | Jan 17 18:32 |
| schestowitz | 7 on Richter scale | Jan 17 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Just a far-fetched theory | Jan 17 18:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | and not necessary | Jan 17 18:32 |
| schestowitz | You can't stir that stuff up, not even by detonating nukes in the ocean for tsunamis | Jan 17 18:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: elite is opportunistic | Jan 17 18:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: can afford to be, resources to exploit anything | Jan 17 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the CIA has some plans shelved | Jan 17 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Amid disaster they can take out the people they don't like | Jan 17 18:33 |
| Michael___ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_resonance | Jan 17 18:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mechanical resonance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 41.79 KB | Jan 17 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Either dethrones, imprisoned, or eliminated | Jan 17 18:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: that angle is less interesting than what they are no doubt actually doing on the ground | Jan 17 18:34 |
| ender2070 | http://mashable.com/2010/01/17/fbi-bin-laden/ | Jan 17 18:34 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: post-portem on Katrina should give a guide to what will happen in Haiti | Jan 17 18:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | mortem* | Jan 17 18:34 |
| schestowitz | "Nikola Tesla established a laboratory at 46 E Houston Street in New York. There, at one point while experimenting with mechanical oscillators, he allegedly generated a resonance of several buildings causing complaints to the police. As the speed grew he hit the resonance frequency of his own building and belatedly realizing the danger he was forced to apply a sledge hammer to terminate the experiment, just as the astonished police | Jan 17 18:35 |
| schestowitz | arrived.[5] " | Jan 17 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Michael___: but this is just minor ones | Jan 17 18:35 |
| Michael___ | and 70 years ago | Jan 17 18:35 |
| Michael___ | i wonder if this technology has moved on | Jan 17 18:35 |
| schestowitz | What's in Haiti anyway? | Jan 17 18:35 |
| Michael___ | a staging post | Jan 17 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: what's in Hawai'i? | Jan 17 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Natural resources? Almost none, they are at the bring of starvation | Jan 17 18:36 |
| Michael___ | for venzuela/cuba and teh carribean basin | Jan 17 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Philippines, etc, etc, etc | Jan 17 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they can rebuild now with nice hotels | Jan 17 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: location, location, location | Jan 17 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Redo the place | Jan 17 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: remember the elite wants to shut down progressive govts in South America | Jan 17 18:36 |
| schestowitz | DId anyone hre play Sierra's Iceman? | Jan 17 18:37 |
| Michael___ | the militarisation of 'aid' suggests to me the yanks are planning on being there for a while | Jan 17 18:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: probably forever, like most other occupations | Jan 17 18:37 |
| Michael___ | proximity to south america is a factor | Jan 17 18:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: bases in 120+ countries | Jan 17 18:37 |
| Michael___ | venezuela in particular | Jan 17 18:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: yes | Jan 17 18:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: there's a lot of governments on their hit list. plus ca change, not so much. | Jan 17 18:38 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti | Jan 17 18:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Haiti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 257.89 KB | Jan 17 18:38 |
| schestowitz | So much history | Jan 17 18:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: and as everybody knows.. South America *is* full of exploitable resources. | Jan 17 18:38 |
| Michael___ | long overdue a hit | Jan 17 18:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: right. opportunism | Jan 17 18:39 |
| schestowitz | But it's opportunism anyway | Jan 17 18:39 |
| schestowitz | It's close enough to the US to keep EU aids marginalised | Jan 17 18:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: besides, there's probably lingering distrust of european motives | Jan 17 18:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: locally | Jan 17 18:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the white knight marches in | Jan 17 18:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: things always being the opposite of what they appear | Jan 17 18:40 |
| schestowitz | There's need for help there anyway | Jan 17 18:40 |
| schestowitz | I guess it's a tricky one | Jan 17 18:40 |
| schestowitz | THe thing is, the US could treat this as debt | Jan 17 18:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | not the same kind of 'help' they've traditionally had from colonial powers | Jan 17 18:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: nice lever, and traditional | Jan 17 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Like, "we helped you out, now let us harvest off you for some years to come" | Jan 17 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Help is reciprocal | Jan 17 18:41 |
| schestowitz | That's why people help family | Jan 17 18:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: we could also look at the blueprint for African aid. Gates Foundation, etc. | Jan 17 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Expectation of returns, according to some people who looked at genes too | Jan 17 18:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: entirely strategic | Jan 17 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 17 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Monsanto | Jan 17 18:41 |
| schestowitz | They claim "hope. Health. Food" | Jan 17 18:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | let's see how quickly Gates gets a foothold in Haiti | Jan 17 18:42 |
| schestowitz | And they use African for PR | Jan 17 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Green Revolusion | Jan 17 18:42 |
| schestowitz | x*tion | Jan 17 18:42 |
| schestowitz | "help us save lives" | Jan 17 18:42 |
| schestowitz | And by the way, we also do chemicals and cancerous stuff 'on the side' | Jan 17 18:42 |
| schestowitz | "But don't pay attention to it" | Jan 17 18:42 |
| schestowitz | "Watch hungry Africans.... while we please shareholders..." | Jan 17 18:43 |
| schestowitz | It's the capture of disasters for euphemisms | Jan 17 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Everyone uses them somehow | Jan 17 18:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | Bhopal | Jan 17 18:43 |
| schestowitz | All countries ever invade for "security" | Jan 17 18:43 |
| schestowitz | The Nazis too BTW | Jan 17 18:43 |
| schestowitz | They use euphemisms a lot | Jan 17 18:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | D's mindset | Jan 17 18:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | fear of everyone else, desire for control of situation | Jan 17 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it feels a little rogue speaking of Haiti only in the context of military coup in crisis time | Jan 17 18:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | not just desire. psychotic NEED. | Jan 17 18:44 |
| schestowitz | We need to speak about the atrocities and how to help | Jan 17 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Where does the donation money go BTW? | Jan 17 18:45 |
| schestowitz | There are groups accumulating money | Jan 17 18:45 |
| schestowitz | How does that relate to the men on the ground? | Jan 17 18:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I've donated to Oxfam.co.nz ; you can also donate directly to Hospital Albert Schweitzer, which is just 40 mi from Port au Prince | Jan 17 18:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | and functioning | Jan 17 18:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | also Medecins sans Frontieres | Jan 17 18:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | which has damaged but functioning facilities | Jan 17 18:45 |
| schestowitz | What do the troops do? | Jan 17 18:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | i have links for these, follow @msf_usa or @msf_canada | Jan 17 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Are they medically trained? | Jan 17 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Rebulding? | Jan 17 18:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: most likely they would set up field hospitals | Jan 17 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Camps? | Jan 17 18:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: as that would be a critical need | Jan 17 18:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: also food distribution | Jan 17 18:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and of course, security roles... | Jan 17 18:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: securing infrastructure maybe | Jan 17 18:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: let's just look @ baghdad, it must look very similar right now in PauP | Jan 17 18:47 |
| schestowitz | http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Software/11114.html | Jan 17 18:47 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: camps yes | Jan 17 18:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: good point. there's no accommodation for a few 100,000 i guess | Jan 17 18:47 |
| schestowitz | What will happen in a month/year? | Jan 17 18:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: when this happened to Baghdad, Fallujah, nobody gave a damn | Jan 17 18:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: but you know, they had it comin' | Jan 17 18:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: bad guys and all that | Jan 17 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Iraq was conquered almost 7 years ago | Jan 17 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Why not leave? | Jan 17 18:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Jan 17 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Enough damage has already been done | Jan 17 18:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | well you know the answer to that. | Jan 17 18:49 |
| schestowitz | They can leave some bases around, in case Mr. Peace Prize wants to attack Iran proactively | Jan 17 18:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's well documented that the fort in Baghdad is permanent | Jan 17 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Better yet, abandon altogether | Jan 17 18:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | no shit | Jan 17 18:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | as likely as D putting his gun in a lake | Jan 17 18:50 |
| schestowitz | There's debt to be repaid, the new troops in Afghanistan are a hole in everyone's pocket | Jan 17 18:50 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: of course it is | Jan 17 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Do you know how much they spent on that fortress? | Jan 17 18:50 |
| schestowitz | It has cinema, swimming pool, etc | Jan 17 18:51 |
| schestowitz | They won't just turn to some Iraqi US-appointed cronies and say, "Oh, here's the key to the cinema, enjoy the pool and good luck!" | Jan 17 18:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's huge. | Jan 17 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Biggest ever AFAIK | Jan 17 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Centre of the old world | Jan 17 18:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the funny part is, it was crappily built, like all the private building contracts | Jan 17 18:52 |
| schestowitz | History, culture [oh, and oil] | Jan 17 18:52 |
| Michael___ | http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/forum/index.php?id=234333 | Jan 17 18:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Surfing The Apocalypse - HAITI AID SCAMS AND THE REAL DEAL - HELP IF YOU CAN .::. Size~: 15.8 KB | Jan 17 18:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: just one of the rare projects that actually broke earth. the rest, just transferred straight to the bank... | Jan 17 18:52 |
| trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/aqpmo/mozilla_to_release_prism_an_opensource/ | Jan 17 18:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Mozilla to release Prism, an open-source Silverlight and Adobe AIR competitor : programming .::. Size~: 36.99 KB | Jan 17 18:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no, the history and culture was largely obliterated | Jan 17 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Looted or bombed | Jan 17 18:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the military ops threatened or destroyed or damaged huge numbers of archeological sites | Jan 17 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Bush is notn a museum guy | Jan 17 18:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they didn't give a damn | Jan 17 18:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: destruction was a bonus | Jan 17 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Cheney wants it _liquidated_ | Jan 17 18:53 |
| Michael___ | http://www.konpay.org/ | Jan 17 18:53 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Konbit Pou Ayiti | Working Together for Haiti .::. Size~: 22.86 KB | Jan 17 18:53 |
| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/15/haiti.earthquake.aristide/?hpt=T2 | Jan 17 18:55 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Exiled Haiti president 'ready to return' - CNN.com .::. Size~: 59.57 KB | Jan 17 18:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Jan 17 18:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Zelaya redux | Jan 17 18:55 |
| schestowitz | How was the eathquake so localised? | Jan 17 18:55 |
| schestowitz | That's what I don't understand, but I don't know much about earthquakes | Jan 17 18:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'm not sure it was very localised. | Jan 17 18:56 |
| schestowitz | They have neighbours; no buildings falling there too\? | Jan 17 18:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | apparently it destroyed most of a large city | Jan 17 18:56 |
| schestowitz | How are the forces distributed, that's what I don't know | Jan 17 18:56 |
| schestowitz | I guess some miles away it was enough just to shake a little | Jan 17 18:56 |
| Michael___ | there was once a tiny mini quake in manchester a year or so ago | Jan 17 18:57 |
| schestowitz | ""'The spirit of Ubuntu that once led Haiti to emerge as the first independent Black nation in 1804; helped Venezuela, Columbia and Ecuador attain liberty ..." | Jan 17 18:57 |
| Michael___ | my house is over a hundred years old made of solid brick and i could feel the whole front wall creaking | Jan 17 18:57 |
| Michael___ | very very scary | Jan 17 18:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | another axis of "uncooperative | Jan 17 18:57 |
| Michael___ | as i imagined it collapsing | Jan 17 18:58 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: but it's a minor problem | Jan 17 18:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: apparently | Jan 17 18:58 |
| schestowitz | The Cube example was more risky | Jan 17 18:58 |
| schestowitz | *Cuba | Jan 17 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Castro says, "don't do it like I did." | Jan 17 18:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.crn.com/software/222301154;jsessionid=0D0OXVYQMQF1XQE1GHPCKH4ATMY32JVN | Jan 17 19:00 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Analysis: Will Ubuntu Take Windows 7 In Speed War? - Software - IT Channel News by CRN .::. Size~: 84.09 KB | Jan 17 19:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | cuz, you know, speed is the most important issue... | Jan 17 19:00 |
| *FurnaceBoy sighs | Jan 17 19:00 | |
| schestowitz | trmanco is moving to Canada this week | Jan 17 19:00 |
| trmanco | yes I am | Jan 17 19:01 |
| trmanco | FINALLY! | Jan 17 19:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Jan 17 19:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | which province? | Jan 17 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Canada has white people, so the US won't stage a coup there | Jan 17 19:01 |
| trmanco | ontario | Jan 17 19:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's a paper coup | Jan 17 19:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: nobody notices | Jan 17 19:01 |
| schestowitz | It's hard to describe the chanucks as "they" | Jan 17 19:01 |
| schestowitz | *canucks | Jan 17 19:01 |
| trmanco | hey :@ | Jan 17 19:02 |
| schestowitz | They speak ENglish | Jan 17 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Like in the UK | Jan 17 19:02 |
| trmanco | en-CA | Jan 17 19:02 |
| schestowitz | It's easy to invade a country which is "different" | Jan 17 19:02 |
| trmanco | the usd is almost at the same rate as the cad | Jan 17 19:02 |
| trmanco | have you noticed? | Jan 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes they can accentuate the differences | Jan 17 19:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and thoroughly dehumanised in the media | Jan 17 19:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: I sure have, it's to my detriment :) | Jan 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Even when something like a religion or DNA is very, very similar (sharing roots even) | Jan 17 19:03 |
| trmanco | there use to be a large difference 10 years ago | Jan 17 19:03 |
| trmanco | FurnaceBoy: oh :/ | Jan 17 19:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: nonetheless, Canada is much less americanised than, say, Australia | Jan 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | At least gender gap is going away | Jan 17 19:03 |
| trmanco | I'm sorry to hear that | Jan 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Class-not so much | Jan 17 19:03 |
| schestowitz | There's still a war of classes | Jan 17 19:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: hehe i'm paid in USD | Jan 17 19:04 |
| trmanco | oh :/ | Jan 17 19:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: used to be wonderful ;-) | Jan 17 19:04 |
| trmanco | that's a bummer | Jan 17 19:04 |
| trmanco | yeah | Jan 17 19:04 |
| trmanco | use to | Jan 17 19:04 |
| trmanco | ^^ | Jan 17 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Derogatory terms and all, but it goes both ways, which works well for those working to justify further duivide | Jan 17 19:04 |
| trmanco | good things wont last forever I guess :-P | Jan 17 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Russia is doing OK now, I think | Jan 17 19:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: depends how you measure | Jan 17 19:05 |
| schestowitz | It's not as though the West does not develop its own KGB equivs | Jan 17 19:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6955/1/ | Jan 17 19:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mwd.com/2010/01/becoming-a-geek-super-hero-by-evolving-from-thinking-green-to-acting-green/ | Jan 17 19:07 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Becoming a Geek Super Hero by Evolving from "Thinking Green" to "Acting Green" .::. Size~: 45.81 KB | Jan 17 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Linux as environment issue-tackling tool.. | Jan 17 19:07 |
| *Python1320 has quit () | Jan 17 19:08 | |
| trmanco | has anybody here sky jumped? | Jan 17 19:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/01/15/the-inside-track-on-apples-tablet-a-history-of-tablet-computing/ | Jan 17 19:10 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The inside track on Apples tablet: a history of tablet computing RoughlyDrafted Magazine .::. Size~: 50.42 KB | Jan 17 19:10 |
| *schestowitz thinks trmanco fantasises about his plane diving | Jan 17 19:11 | |
| trmanco | no | Jan 17 19:11 |
| trmanco | I just like hights | Jan 17 19:11 |
| trmanco | heights* | Jan 17 19:11 |
| schestowitz | sudo apt-get rmove vertigo | Jan 17 19:11 |
| trmanco | that package wont exist | Jan 17 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Nobody likes heights | Jan 17 19:12 |
| trmanco | I don't like heights | Jan 17 19:12 |
| schestowitz | It's in our instincts | Jan 17 19:12 |
| trmanco | I'm just not afraid of them | Jan 17 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Some people play with their fear | Jan 17 19:12 |
| schestowitz | That's something different | Jan 17 19:12 |
| trmanco | you are correct | Jan 17 19:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: why are some women terrified of rodents? | Jan 17 19:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: are some men, equally? | Jan 17 19:13 |
| trmanco | lol | Jan 17 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Romantisation of risk | Jan 17 19:13 |
| schestowitz | BDSM.... | Jan 17 19:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | eh? :) | Jan 17 19:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | clarify? | Jan 17 19:13 |
| trmanco | anybody afraid of spiders? big hairy ones | Jan 17 19:14 |
| trmanco | ? | Jan 17 19:14 |
| schestowitz | It's being 'ill' that turns some people on | Jan 17 19:14 |
| trmanco | ew | Jan 17 19:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: no. nor rodents. | Jan 17 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Serial killers and the likes | Jan 17 19:14 |
| *FurnaceBoy sighs | Jan 17 19:14 | |
| schestowitz | I watched some documentaries about it | Jan 17 19:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the very definition of an irrational fea | Jan 17 19:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | r | Jan 17 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Did you watch/read American Psycho | Jan 17 19:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | no | Jan 17 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Some businessmen are insane | Jan 17 19:15 |
| *FurnaceBoy tries to avoid american psychoses | Jan 17 19:15 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe they got bored | Jan 17 19:15 |
| trmanco | I hate spiders | Jan 17 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | hate or fear? | Jan 17 19:15 |
| schestowitz | They look different from us | Jan 17 19:15 |
| trmanco | in between | Jan 17 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Same with snakes | Jan 17 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: District 9 | Jan 17 19:15 |
| schestowitz | We love "aliens" | Jan 17 19:15 |
| MinceR | http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4924/12593417130615067690.jpg | Jan 17 19:15 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 17 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Cause they are always these "little people" with nice big eyes like in Japanese anime | Jan 17 19:16 |
| trmanco | lol | Jan 17 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Avatar ;-) | Jan 17 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: but not Giger's | Jan 17 19:16 |
| schestowitz | I wasn't thinking about it. | Jan 17 19:16 |
| trmanco | http://www.arkpestcontrolservices.com/images/spider-main_Full.jpg | Jan 17 19:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 17 19:16 |
| trmanco | something like this on one of my hands would freak me out | Jan 17 19:17 |
| schestowitz | rnb: cute!! :-) awwwwwwww...... | Jan 17 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Jan 17 19:17 |
| schestowitz | * trmanco | Jan 17 19:17 |
| trmanco | until I actually got comfortable with it | Jan 17 19:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: this is an experiment i'm not willing to try with Windows ;-D | Jan 17 19:17 |
| trmanco | heh :-) | Jan 17 19:18 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Kong_%282005_film%29 | Jan 17 19:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: King Kong (2005 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 143.6 KB | Jan 17 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Now, this is where you have some scary creature | Jan 17 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Except the dinosaurs | Jan 17 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Dinosaurs are cute | Jan 17 19:18 |
| schestowitz | small hands | Jan 17 19:18 |
| *FurnaceBoy doesn't think Palin is cute at all | Jan 17 19:18 | |
| schestowitz | But the film has elements which I thought were potentially racist | Jan 17 19:19 |
| schestowitz | The parts about the dark natives | Jan 17 19:19 |
| schestowitz | That's like the type of thing that would make you fear black people or islands like Haiti | Jan 17 19:19 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: so she failed at *everything* | Jan 17 19:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: seems to be making enough money to pay her .5m legal bill | Jan 17 19:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: unfortunately | Jan 17 19:20 |
| schestowitz | People voted her not for diplomatic skills or a mountain of knowledge | Jan 17 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Elections are run by PR team | Jan 17 19:20 |
| schestowitz | They took some obscure lady to recruit women voters for McBush | Jan 17 19:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg4Mg | Jan 17 19:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: [Phoronix] Phoronix Test Suite 2.4 "Lenvik" Enters Beta .::. Size~: 17.25 KB | Jan 17 19:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6urw_PWHYk | Jan 17 19:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Matt Damon Rips Sarah Palin .::. Size~: 152.52 KB | Jan 17 19:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Palin is the most cynical phenomenon one can imagine in public life | Jan 17 19:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they jumped the shark | Jan 17 19:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no wonder idiots actually worry about the world ending in 2012 | Jan 17 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Phoronix still gives the criminals lip service. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg4NA | Jan 17 19:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: [Phoronix] Intel Clarkdale (Core i3) Linux Benchmarks .::. Size~: 17.05 KB | Jan 17 19:22 |
| schestowitz | He should just ignore Intel products, IMHO | Jan 17 19:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Palin... makes even Berlusconi look like a solid statesman | Jan 17 19:22 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: it's a product | Jan 17 19:23 |
| *neighborlee (n=neighbor@unaffiliated/neighborlee) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 17 19:23 | |
| schestowitz | With capital letter so to speak | Jan 17 19:23 |
| schestowitz | 2012(C) | Jan 17 19:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | I ain't buyin it | Jan 17 19:23 |
| schestowitz | And they spread the nonesense on the Internet | Jan 17 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Good for their films, books, etc. | Jan 17 19:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | John Cusack can lick my ... nm | Jan 17 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Consumerisation of an imaginary armageddon | Jan 17 19:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | yus | Jan 17 19:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | disaster porn | Jan 17 19:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | middle class addiction | Jan 17 19:23 |
| schestowitz | They cite annually-recurring events to pretend something wrong will happen | Jan 17 19:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | I bet a lot of haitians now figure they wasted money on that cinema ticket. | Jan 17 19:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | (which they did, anyway) | Jan 17 19:24 |
| schestowitz | From disaster comes order | Jan 17 19:24 |
| schestowitz | That's the mythical things from bible/s | Jan 17 19:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | film is an under-appreciated branch of globalisation | Jan 17 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Apocalyptic thinking makes nuclear wars sexy | Jan 17 19:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | the P/R dept, if you will | Jan 17 19:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: sigh | Jan 17 19:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: read Amis' "Einstein's Monsters"? | Jan 17 19:25 |
| *_Goblin (n=goblin@94-193-188-104.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 17 19:25 | |
| schestowitz | That's why apocalyptic thinking is so dangerous | Jan 17 19:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: DM me your address, I'll post you "koba the dread" | Jan 17 19:25 |
| schestowitz | And sometimes it comes from scriptures | Jan 17 19:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: s/your/an/ | Jan 17 19:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ah, yes. apocalyptic thinking is self-fulfilling | Jan 17 19:26 |
| schestowitz | I have no address | Jan 17 19:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: fuck the religious right | Jan 17 19:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: not a business, etc? | Jan 17 19:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that i can post to? friend's business? | Jan 17 19:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.amazon.com/Koba-Dread-Martin-Amis/dp/0786868767 | Jan 17 19:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i love sending ppl books. i don't like to store/carry them. selfish. | Jan 17 19:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Amazon.com: Koba the Dread (9780786868766): Martin Amis: Books .::. Size~: 429.94 KB | Jan 17 19:27 |
| schestowitz | I see now... | Jan 17 19:27 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I read electronically :-) | Jan 17 19:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: damn you! I have no scanner! | Jan 17 19:27 |
| schestowitz | I appreciate the offer, though | Jan 17 19:27 |
| schestowitz | I was sent some books before by publishers | Jan 17 19:27 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: why was the publisher saddling the book with print-only restriction? | Jan 17 19:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no idea! | Jan 17 19:28 |
| schestowitz | 2 months ago glyn moody gave me a ref to his book with p. # and I couldn't look it up cause his publisher forbids it | Jan 17 19:28 |
| _Goblin | Roy, can never get used to reading electronically (as in books)....I need the real thing. | Jan 17 19:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i should be able to trade the paper copy for an electronic license, shouldn't I? | Jan 17 19:28 |
| _Goblin | *I | Jan 17 19:28 |
| schestowitz | See how copyright stifles freedom of comms/thought? | Jan 17 19:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: like an amnesty HAHAHAHAH | Jan 17 19:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the paper copy is far more potent in the world of DRM or risk of DRM, but u know that | Jan 17 19:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it is sure to happen. "TRADE IN YOUR PAPER BOOKS FOR ELECTRONIC VERSIONS" | Jan 17 19:29 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: my book shelf is very depleted | Jan 17 19:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: modern book burning | Jan 17 19:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i'm happy to help solve that. really ;) | Jan 17 19:29 |
| schestowitz | I would rather not put something on it with Stalin on the book cover :-p | Jan 17 19:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: understood. i'll rip the cover off! | Jan 17 19:29 |
| schestowitz | He was a mass murderer | Jan 17 19:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I'll replace it with a picture of Palin | Jan 17 19:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no shit | Jan 17 19:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the book kinda covers that | Jan 17 19:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDBxH5sZZk | Jan 17 19:30 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- A&E Biography - Hitler & Stalin Pt.1 .::. Size~: 120.64 KB | Jan 17 19:30 |
| schestowitz | It's a good programme, with background | Jan 17 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Palin is with fox now | Jan 17 19:30 |
| schestowitz | How low she has sunk | Jan 17 19:30 |
| schestowitz | !google palin fox | Jan 17 19:31 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - Fox News Runs Old Palin Campaign Footage, Reports It As Book ... | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/fox-news-runs-old-palin-c_n_362897.html | Jan 17 19:31 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - FOXNews.com - Palin to Join Fox News as Contributor | http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/11/palin-join-fox-news-contributor/ | Jan 17 19:31 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - Sarah Palin takes Fox News commentator job - Yahoo! News | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_palin_fox_news | Jan 17 19:31 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Sarah Palin and Fox News: a match made in heaven / The Christian ... | http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0111/Sarah-Palin-and-Fox-News-a-match-made-in-heaven | Jan 17 19:31 |
| _Goblin | Sorry to be flippant....but I find Sarah Palin a rather attractive lady. | Jan 17 19:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | ewwwwwwww | Jan 17 19:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | i never understood that at all | Jan 17 19:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Modern book burning: An amnesty where you trade your paper #books for electronic versions, risking #DRM. #kindle | Jan 17 19:32 | |
| FurnaceBoy | to me she's completely repulsive | Jan 17 19:32 |
| _Goblin | maybe its a 35+ UK male thing then.... | Jan 17 19:33 |
| _Goblin | all the males on my team like her. | Jan 17 19:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | sick | Jan 17 19:34 |
| _Goblin | lol. | Jan 17 19:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | bizarre | Jan 17 19:34 |
| _Goblin | probably... | Jan 17 19:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | even if she wasn't repulsive non-physically, i still couldn't find anything attractive about her | Jan 17 19:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh well. | Jan 17 19:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 Computer expert: "Using Internet Explorer - like having a window left open in your house" http://u.nu/9kvj4 #ie #microsoft | Jan 17 19:35 | |
| _Goblin | maybe my standards are lower than yours. | Jan 17 19:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC News - German government warns against using MS Explorer .::. Size~: 51.5 KB | Jan 17 19:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | she's rich now. makes perfect sense. USA = anti-meritocracy | Jan 17 19:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: possibly. I lived in Brazil for a while ;-) | Jan 17 19:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: makes white trash from Alaska look pretty lame | Jan 17 19:35 |
| _Goblin | :) Yep...you standards are definately higher than mine.....! | Jan 17 19:36 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: good post http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/01/17/if-microsoft-cant-charge-for-it-you-dont-get-it-bbc-iplayer-xmas-woe/ | Jan 17 19:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: If Microsoft cant charge for it, you dont get it? BBC iPlayer & Xmas woe? « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 40.38 KB | Jan 17 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Just read it | Jan 17 19:36 |
| _Goblin | thanks.... | Jan 17 19:36 |
| _Goblin | EXTERMINATE | Jan 17 19:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: did you tweet it? I'll retweet | Jan 17 19:36 |
| schestowitz | I'll write about it later | Jan 17 19:37 |
| *FurnaceBoy prints bank statements for immigration purposes | Jan 17 19:37 | |
| schestowitz | the iplayer fiasco redux | Jan 17 19:37 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Did you notice the absence of "IMO".....sorted that out with a disclaimer. | Jan 17 19:37 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: were you among those who fled the US when Bush years came? | Jan 17 19:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I fled a different participant. | Jan 17 19:38 |
| schestowitz | A colleague of mine from Manchester fled with his wife to NZ | Jan 17 19:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I couldn't live under a government that was part of Iraq adventure | Jan 17 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Oh, wait... it's CA | Jan 17 19:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no regrets either, I recommend emigration to anyone | Jan 17 19:38 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: venture or advanture? | Jan 17 19:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: heh | Jan 17 19:39 |
| schestowitz | *adventure | Jan 17 19:39 |
| schestowitz | When it started I actually believed the propaganda | Jan 17 19:39 |
| schestowitz | --that is was a pending risk | Jan 17 19:39 |
| schestowitz | I was young and naive:-p | Jan 17 19:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i was discussing with others on 9/12 and it was obvious what would happen next. | Jan 17 19:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and that it would be pointless, self interested, vengeful, murder and destruction | Jan 17 19:40 |
| schestowitz | I guess the US spilled French wine in the streets in vain | Jan 17 19:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: nothing that has happened since has surprised me, including lies, torture, etc, etc | Jan 17 19:40 |
| schestowitz | The UK press daemonised the EU presidents for not supporting an invasion | Jan 17 19:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i am left wondering what we failed to do to stop that invasion | Jan 17 19:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: what did we fail to do that we should have done? | Jan 17 19:41 |
| schestowitz | You could do nothing | Jan 17 19:41 |
| schestowitz | I'll show you why... | Jan 17 19:41 |
| *schestowitz looks for video | Jan 17 19:41 | |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I'll never forget that we failed | Jan 17 19:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: or what happened next | Jan 17 19:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: but at least i don't live under a participating government any more | Jan 17 19:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4kZd4Roies | Jan 17 19:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: YouTube- Sir EVELYN DE ROTHSCHILD talks about the GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS .::. Size~: 138.25 KB | Jan 17 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Watch with how much confidence he says the bailout will pass | Jan 17 19:43 |
| schestowitz | When these people decide, it _will_ happen | Jan 17 19:43 |
| ender2070 | If you ask most people their opinions on religion, politics, social direction in ANY country, the people parrot what their talking-heads tell them. | Jan 17 19:43 |
| schestowitz | The rallying in the streets won't do | Jan 17 19:43 |
| Michael___ | the rothschilds eh? i wonder what their true wealth is? | Jan 17 19:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.locutus.us/have-computers-become-a-commodity-item | Jan 17 19:45 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Have computers become a commodity item? | Locutus is us .::. Size~: 20 KB | Jan 17 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Michael___: I heard they have influence over Reuters and AP | Jan 17 19:45 |
| schestowitz | I don't know if it's true. | Jan 17 19:45 |
| schestowitz | I just wish the Rockerfellers too were public figures | Jan 17 19:46 |
| schestowitz | It;s easy to see the scams of Gates cause he's "out there" | Jan 17 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Some months ago I started compiling a list of references and summaries http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique | Jan 17 19:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Gates Foundation Critique - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 27.28 KB | Jan 17 19:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.locutus.us/The-difference-between-Linux-and-windows-settings | Jan 17 19:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The difference between Linux and windows settings | Locutus is us .::. Size~: 24.67 KB | Jan 17 19:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: great | Jan 17 19:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Gates doesn't get the bad publicity he deserves | Jan 17 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Well, I guess Evelyn was right | Jan 17 19:48 |
| schestowitz | He did pass. He didn't suggest it, he said it /will/ pass | Jan 17 19:48 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: it means Gates has a good PR team | Jan 17 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Media determines heroes and villains based on inside influence | Jan 17 19:49 |
| schestowitz | They have managed to wash off all sorts of real investigations like that of the Los Angeles Times | Jan 17 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Monsanto is losing its PR war | Jan 17 19:50 |
| schestowitz | If you search the Web, you'll see that their crimes are shared from mouth to ear in a viral fashion | Jan 17 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft too, unlike Google | Jan 17 19:50 |
| schestowitz | You don't see much anger over GOogle... not as much as proponents of Google | Jan 17 19:51 |
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| FurnaceBoy | r a g e | Jan 17 19:58 |
| MinceR | ffffrustration? | Jan 17 19:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 17 19:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | not really | Jan 17 19:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | apart from the usual tedium of dealing with immigration :) | Jan 17 19:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: can you get Millett's "The Politics of Cruelty" on Kindle? | Jan 17 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Waste... http://techie-buzz.com/deal-buzzer/partition-manager-free-download-only-for-3-more-hours.html | Jan 17 20:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Download Partition Manager 10.0 Personal Full Version for Free|Free Full Download of Partition Manager 10.0 Personal from Giveaway of the Day .::. Size~: 50.35 KB | Jan 17 20:04 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: i don't use swindle, i dunno | Jan 17 20:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: hm, so how would you read a particular book?? | Jan 17 20:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: isn't paper easier? | Jan 17 20:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/node/332172 does anyone use it here? | Jan 17 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: pda with txt | Jan 17 20:06 |
| schestowitz | I still use Palm | Jan 17 20:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yeah, but what about particular titles, like that one, or one of the 2 Amis I cited | Jan 17 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Michael___ saw it | Jan 17 20:09 |
| schestowitz | He wants to get one too, but it's old | Jan 17 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Palm with universal connector for the full-sized keyboard I got off ebay | Jan 17 20:09 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: maybe exported to text. | Jan 17 20:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | how? by whom? :/ | Jan 17 20:10 |
| schestowitz | I dunno | Jan 17 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Text wants to be flexible | Jan 17 20:10 |
| schestowitz | I make my stuff exportable to text,always | Jan 17 20:10 |
| schestowitz | More open=more audience | Jan 17 20:10 |
| schestowitz | That's what people express themselves for, not profit | Jan 17 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Programmers too | Jan 17 20:11 |
| _Goblin | Has anyone here ever messed around with pyOpenGL? | Jan 17 20:12 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: There are more opinion than people, almost..... people compete to air their opinion not by imposing limitations :-) | Jan 17 20:14 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: but what about things published only on paper? | Jan 17 20:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: are you just waiting for them to be digitised? just asking | Jan 17 20:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin maybe give this one a go. http://news.softpedia.com/news/BackTrack-4-Is-Finally-Here-131809.shtml | Jan 17 20:16 | |
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| schestowitz | "Qt is a C++ framework for high performance cross-platform software development. Qt port (Qt 4.6) is available on Embedded Linux, Windows, WinCE, and Symbian. This means, any application that is developed on Qt for Linux will run on Qt for WinCE." http://pcquest.ciol.com/content/techtrends/2010/110011202.asp | Jan 17 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: probably | Jan 17 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I don't use paper | Jan 17 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I can't keep paper well, or back it uop | Jan 17 20:16 |
| schestowitz | *up | Jan 17 20:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: interesting. you almost motivate me to ocr these biotches | Jan 17 20:17 |
| schestowitz | I do OCR my important papers | Jan 17 20:17 |
| *FurnaceBoy needs a scanner sometime | Jan 17 20:17 | |
| schestowitz | Like certificates and important letters | Jan 17 20:17 |
| *FurnaceBoy hates acquiring physical goods | Jan 17 20:17 | |
| schestowitz | The rest go in a box, but they are few enough to be rare | Jan 17 20:17 |
| schestowitz | I have quite a big pile of paper from when I was writing my thesis | Jan 17 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Wikis save all that mess | Jan 17 20:18 |
| schestowitz | I know some people who wrote their books on wikis | Jan 17 20:18 |
| Michael___ | whats a wiki | Jan 17 20:18 |
| schestowitz | They can involve the editors too that way and show readers how the book was force/evolved | Jan 17 20:18 |
| schestowitz | They can also see what paragraphs got omitted | Jan 17 20:18 |
| schestowitz | I use many commented texts in LaTeX | Jan 17 20:19 |
| schestowitz | maybe half of documents are comment | Jan 17 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Michael___: like Wikipedia, you can edit what you are reading | Jan 17 20:19 |
| cubezzz | lynx keeps telling me google uses bad html | Jan 17 20:19 |
| cubezzz | trying to use firefox as little as possible now | Jan 17 20:20 |
| cubezzz | in fact I think I'll tweak my own site and make it more lynx friendly | Jan 17 20:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: the most famous wiki is Wikipedia | Jan 17 20:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: the concept was invented by Ward Christensen, it's a revolution in collaboration | Jan 17 20:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: difficult to overstate | Jan 17 20:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: there are hundreds of open source implementations | Jan 17 20:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | Michael___: and commercial ... e.g. socialtext | Jan 17 20:24 |
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| _Goblin | Great find Roy!....(Backtrack 4) | Jan 17 20:33 |
| _Goblin | I'll give it a download via Bittorrent. | Jan 17 20:34 |
| cubezzz | starting to really like browsing with lynx | Jan 17 20:37 |
| cubezzz | so much faster | Jan 17 20:37 |
| trmanco | it's faster at loading page speed, but what about navigation handling? | Jan 17 20:38 |
| trmanco | readability kinda stinks too | Jan 17 20:39 |
| trmanco | :-p | Jan 17 20:39 |
| schestowitz | What is this about? http://techie-buzz.com/tech-news/windows-and-linux-enterprise-servers.html | Jan 17 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: Google hasn't cared about Web standards in many ways | Jan 17 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Speed over compliance | Jan 17 20:40 |
| cubezzz | trmanco, you should try it | Jan 17 20:40 |
| trmanco | I have | Jan 17 20:40 |
| cubezzz | the speed will win you over for a lot of things | Jan 17 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Then they test their broken HTML on mahy browsers | Jan 17 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Not lynx | Jan 17 20:41 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, it's usable with lynx | Jan 17 20:41 |
| schestowitz | And they don't care aboutn lynx, it can't view their ads | Jan 17 20:41 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #PolirceState attacks licensed hunters who go to school instead of going after real criminals http://ur1.ca/k29o #douchebags | Jan 17 20:41 | |
| cubezzz | yes :) | Jan 17 20:41 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: NRA backs Willows student expelled for carrying gun in truck | News10.net | Sacramento, California | Local News .::. Size~: 74.34 KB | Jan 17 20:41 |
| MinceR | also, shiny pointless bling over compliance | Jan 17 20:41 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure they don't like that part | Jan 17 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not | Jan 17 20:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Wanted to know who on earth Lady Sovereign was from CBB.....wish I had never bothered...utter trash. #cbb #fail #trash | Jan 17 20:42 | |
| cubezzz | trmanco, also you can make your font bigger in konsole or whatever you use | Jan 17 20:42 |
| trmanco | leme try | Jan 17 20:42 |
| trmanco | lol | Jan 17 20:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] If people are willing to part with cash for the trash Ive just seen (Lady Sovereigns songs) then I really should give it a go myself. | Jan 17 20:43 | |
| trmanco | I prefer elinks | Jan 17 20:44 |
| trmanco | or w3m | Jan 17 20:44 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Currently downloading Backtrack 4 (thanks Roy Schestowitz for pointing it out)...it should be an interesting distro. | Jan 17 20:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The Independent are thieves. http://www.flickr.com/photos/petezab/4276745361/ | Jan 17 20:47 | |
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| cubezzz | I wonder if w3m ports easily | Jan 17 20:48 |
| trmanco | ports to what? | Jan 17 20:50 |
| cubezzz | zaurus :) | Jan 17 20:50 |
| trmanco | you compiled lynx for that device? | Jan 17 20:51 |
| cubezzz | yes | Jan 17 20:51 |
| trmanco | wow | Jan 17 20:51 |
| cubezzz | I have to compile everything as hardly anyone bothers making ipk's nowadays | Jan 17 20:53 |
| rnb | hi hi hi | Jan 17 20:53 |
| rnb | Omar87_: marhaba :) | Jan 17 20:54 |
| *rnb hopes china has rootkits active on every google server | Jan 17 20:55 | |
| rnb | http://content.usatoday.com/communities/technologylive/post/2010/01/chinese-cyberspies-arent-the-only-ones-on-the-prowl/1 | Jan 17 20:58 |
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| rnb | On Dec. 22, when many of us were doing last minute gift shopping, President Obama named former Microsoft exec and Bush Administration appointee Howard Schmidt to the newly created post of White House cybersecurity adviser. Schmidt's assignment: coordinate economic and military cybersecurity policy. | Jan 17 20:59 |
| *cubezzz groans | Jan 17 21:03 | |
| cubezzz | does Obama know about FOSS at all? | Jan 17 21:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | :| | Jan 17 21:04 |
| neighborlee | yes ;) | Jan 17 21:04 |
| neighborlee | the white house is hip and uses foss now,unlike in bush era ;) | Jan 17 21:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: let's try to imagine whether Gates is influential.... | Jan 17 21:05 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Jan 17 21:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: remember this is a nation that worships money above anything else | Jan 17 21:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: which gives him god-like status there | Jan 17 21:05 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Jan 17 21:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: it's going to be a while before he's seen as the self-interested criminal he really is | Jan 17 21:05 |
| neighborlee | cubezzz: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10382893-264.html < one instance anyway | Jan 17 21:06 |
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| cubezzz | I dont think I've never met a government person who was really into FOSS | Jan 17 21:07 |
| rnb | i spoke at GOSCON last year | Jan 17 21:07 |
| rnb | about latin american governments moving to foss | Jan 17 21:07 |
| cubezzz | oh right, I remember the server thing | Jan 17 21:07 |
| rnb | it was ridiculous ... it was supposedly all the major US government players interested in foss | Jan 17 21:07 |
| rnb | and like.. i think the most influential government person there was the city IT person from nowhere, utah | Jan 17 21:08 |
| cubezzz | FurnaceBoy, you mean Gates not Obama I hope :) | Jan 17 21:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: basically yes | Jan 17 21:08 |
| cubezzz | besides I already think of Gates as a thief | Jan 17 21:08 |
| rnb | obama is a self-interested criminal, too | Jan 17 21:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: then you're part of the reality-based community :D | Jan 17 21:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i'm more worried about the scriptwriters than the actor | Jan 17 21:09 |
| rnb | you dont get anywhere in chicago politics by being an idealists | Jan 17 21:09 |
| cubezzz | dumpster diving for BASIC source code | Jan 17 21:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: that's the least of his crimes | Jan 17 21:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: but it only serves to show his ethics | Jan 17 21:09 |
| cubezzz | my municipality is pretty bad for FOSS awareness | Jan 17 21:09 |
| cubezzz | note I didn't even say usage, just awareness | Jan 17 21:09 |
| cubezzz | I couldn't pay a parking ticket using Firefox :) | Jan 17 21:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | ugh | Jan 17 21:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's no excuse for that kind of cluelessness | Jan 17 21:10 |
| cubezzz | it hasn't bad enough I had a parking ticket, I had to use doze as well | Jan 17 21:10 |
| rnb | its because most of the foss community in the US is de-politicized | Jan 17 21:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | none whatsoever. it should be criminalised | Jan 17 21:10 |
| rnb | its like most things in the US, "politics" is a taboo subject | Jan 17 21:11 |
| cubezzz | maybe Mass. is more FOSS savvy in state gov? | Jan 17 21:11 |
| rnb | the foss community in latin america is damn near all communist revolutionaries | Jan 17 21:11 |
| cubezzz | ha | Jan 17 21:12 |
| cubezzz | different ideology there | Jan 17 21:12 |
| cubezzz | do they smoke Cuban cigars too? :) | Jan 17 21:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | they have less tolerance for waste | Jan 17 21:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | at least in the South America i've lived in | Jan 17 21:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's entirely natural FOSS would be popular there | Jan 17 21:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | (and it is, relatively) | Jan 17 21:12 |
| rnb | well most of the younger hackers spent at least half of their life living in a US-supported capitalist dictatorship | Jan 17 21:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's more rational choice going on | Jan 17 21:13 |
| rnb | and lived through the period where those were overthrown | Jan 17 21:13 |
| rnb | so, they arent as clueless | Jan 17 21:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | there are entirely practical reasons to use F/OSS that aren't ideological at all. those are also in play in South America | Jan 17 21:13 |
| rnb | and the older hackers -- well, they helped overthrow those governments | Jan 17 21:13 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: its true but that idea is actually de-emphasized on purpose | Jan 17 21:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | fewer resources to donate to the richest man, richest company, and "richest nation" | Jan 17 21:14 |
| cubezzz | oh I think the world is screwy too | Jan 17 21:14 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: in order to put more emphasis on the communitarian aspects of foss | Jan 17 21:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: also there are a lot of well educated and intelligent ppl resources to work on it, | Jan 17 21:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: I spent a fair amount of time in brazil working w/ brazilian programmers | Jan 17 21:14 |
| rnb | really? fala portugues? | Jan 17 21:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: generally everyone has one or two degrees. you can't compete in the workplace without at least one | Jan 17 21:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: sim, um pouco | Jan 17 21:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: de onde vc e? | Jan 17 21:15 |
| rnb | a minha esposa eh uma brasileira | Jan 17 21:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | ahhhhh | Jan 17 21:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | legal! | Jan 17 21:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | a minha tambem risos | Jan 17 21:15 |
| cubezzz | rnb: how old is old? | Jan 17 21:16 |
| rnb | neste momento, vivemos em san francisco mas queremos mudar pra sao paulo este ano | Jan 17 21:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: depois vc sabe muito nesse | Jan 17 21:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: verdade. entendi | Jan 17 21:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: moramos em Canada | Jan 17 21:16 |
| rnb | cubezzz: like baby boomer generation | Jan 17 21:16 |
| cubezzz | the whole world is goin to have to be more efficient with resources | Jan 17 21:17 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: sim, e tenho uma empresa, trabalhando com software livre em america latina | Jan 17 21:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: yes | Jan 17 21:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: muito legal!!! precisa mais um ... risos | Jan 17 21:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: as vezes pensamos em morando no Sul | Jan 17 21:18 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: seria uma melhor vida lah | Jan 17 21:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | kkk | Jan 17 21:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: ja morei la | Jan 17 21:19 |
| rnb | quero ir agora.. mas, tenho que esperar um pouco mais | Jan 17 21:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | sim, ate mais | Jan 17 21:19 |
| rnb | eu tb, em sao paulo e brasilia | Jan 17 21:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 17 21:20 |
| rnb | e caracas | Jan 17 21:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | passei no MG, SP, AL, SC | Jan 17 21:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | hehe e PE tb | Jan 17 21:21 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: you live in canada now? | Jan 17 21:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Jan 17 21:21 |
| rnb | whereabouts? | Jan 17 21:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | TO | Jan 17 21:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: ^^ | Jan 17 21:22 |
| rnb | i'm so sick of san francisco | Jan 17 21:22 |
| cubezzz | Toronto Freenet user? | Jan 17 21:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | no | Jan 17 21:22 |
| cubezzz | just curious | Jan 17 21:22 |
| trmanco | wtf | Jan 17 21:22 |
| trmanco | you speak portuguese? | Jan 17 21:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | claro que sim :) | Jan 17 21:22 |
| rnb | and the united states, in general | Jan 17 21:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: e voce? | Jan 17 21:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: acredito | Jan 17 21:22 |
| trmanco | claro que sim | Jan 17 21:22 |
| trmanco | ^^ | Jan 17 21:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: legal!! | Jan 17 21:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: encontramos quando vc chegar ne | Jan 17 21:23 |
| trmanco | sim claro | Jan 17 21:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 17 21:23 |
| trmanco | :) | Jan 17 21:23 |
| rnb | heheh os brazukas estao conquistando!! | Jan 17 21:23 |
| cubezzz | Bell, of course :) | Jan 17 21:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | rsrsrs | Jan 17 21:23 |
| trmanco | nao sou brazuka | Jan 17 21:23 |
| trmanco | heh | Jan 17 21:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: nem eu | Jan 17 21:23 |
| trmanco | entao? | Jan 17 21:24 |
| rnb | nem eu | Jan 17 21:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: mesmo razao de rnb.. esposa | Jan 17 21:24 |
| trmanco | ahhh | Jan 17 21:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: mas ante disso, morei la no sul do brasil | Jan 17 21:24 |
| cubezzz | damn, can everyone here speak portuguese but me? :) | Jan 17 21:24 |
| rnb | well, my wife came after the reason i was in latin america | Jan 17 21:24 |
| trmanco | nunca estive no brasil | Jan 17 21:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: assim tb | Jan 17 21:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: existe em comunidade brasileira aqui | Jan 17 21:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | uma* | Jan 17 21:25 |
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| trmanco | onde vives? | Jan 17 21:25 |
| rnb | eu, san francisco | Jan 17 21:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: viu acima ^^TO | Jan 17 21:26 |
| trmanco | ah | Jan 17 21:26 |
| trmanco | eish | Jan 17 21:26 |
| rnb | 'vives' eh espanhol :) | Jan 17 21:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | lol | Jan 17 21:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: e tb na idioma do sul | Jan 17 21:27 |
| rnb | tenho o mesmo problema, falando portunhol | Jan 17 21:27 |
| trmanco | não, é portugues | Jan 17 21:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: a esposa me avisou | Jan 17 21:27 |
| rnb | hm, nao sabia | Jan 17 21:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: ela fala espanhol tb | Jan 17 21:27 |
| trmanco | eu vivo, tu vives, ele vive ^^ | Jan 17 21:27 |
| trmanco | eu espanhol? nah | Jan 17 21:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: me desculpe, nao sei como teclar os acentes aqui no meu Linux :( | Jan 17 21:28 |
| rnb | eu tb e por causa disso, as vezes estou confudido | Jan 17 21:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: entendi! por causa disso eu to evitando espanhol risos | Jan 17 21:28 |
| trmanco | eish "ela"* nao reparei no promenor | Jan 17 21:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: no mexico tava muito confuso entre ES e Pt risos | Jan 17 21:29 |
| rnb | deber, dever, palabras palavras.. demais similar | Jan 17 21:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | isso | Jan 17 21:30 |
| trmanco | the channel is quiet now | Jan 17 21:30 |
| trmanco | LOL | Jan 17 21:30 |
| trmanco | and multilingual too | Jan 17 21:31 |
| rnb | we i18n'ed o canal | Jan 17 21:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | tudo bem! | Jan 17 21:32 |
| rnb | mto legal | Jan 17 21:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | rs | Jan 17 21:32 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: a sua esposa eh uma geek? | Jan 17 21:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: +/- | Jan 17 21:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: nao gosto de HTML ... embora o codigo risos | Jan 17 21:36 |
| rnb | a minha esposa trabalhou com a presidencia, migrando-lhes ao software livre | Jan 17 21:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: otimo! | Jan 17 21:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: a minha eh uma super-geek nas idiomas. | Jan 17 21:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: ja fala 3 com fluencia | Jan 17 21:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: logo, frances tb | Jan 17 21:37 |
| rnb | no palacio do planalto | Jan 17 21:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: awesome | Jan 17 21:37 |
| rnb | yeah, i got to go there and hang out in lula's office | Jan 17 21:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 17 21:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: i knew an american working for google in BH. then he quit to work at Second Life in USA. | Jan 17 21:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: also married to a brasileira | Jan 17 21:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: mineira ... meu Deus, que invejosas risos | Jan 17 21:38 |
| rnb | he didnt like life in brazil? | Jan 17 21:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: dunno, might have tired of it. | Jan 17 21:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: not sure. managed to take his family (wife and kids) back to the states. that's not very easy as i am sure you know... | Jan 17 21:39 |
| rnb | i just prefer latin america everything | Jan 17 21:39 |
| rnb | people are more friendly | Jan 17 21:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: understandable | Jan 17 21:39 |
| rnb | there's more community there | Jan 17 21:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: that's an understatement | Jan 17 21:39 |
| trmanco | canadians are very friendly | Jan 17 21:40 |
| rnb | people arent so snobby and materialistic and self-centered | Jan 17 21:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: true | Jan 17 21:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: but nothing compared to brazil. | Jan 17 21:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: my wife misses br culture | Jan 17 21:40 |
| rnb | naah, i'm prejudiced against canadians :P | Jan 17 21:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: even though canada is great | Jan 17 21:40 |
| trmanco | never been to brazil | Jan 17 21:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: one of the friendliest countries i've ever encountered | Jan 17 21:40 |
| rnb | canadians think they are sooooo much better than ... USians | Jan 17 21:40 |
| trmanco | but I know the the people from brazil are a lot nicer than "us" from portugal | Jan 17 21:40 |
| trmanco | that* | Jan 17 21:41 |
| trmanco | canadians are | Jan 17 21:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: now now :) | Jan 17 21:41 |
| trmanco | better than some USains | Jan 17 21:41 |
| trmanco | lol | Jan 17 21:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: i don't know about 'better'... perhaps a bit more open minded... | Jan 17 21:41 |
| rnb | canadians used to have it easy with their free health care and free university | Jan 17 21:42 |
| trmanco | correct | Jan 17 21:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: health care is still good and free here | Jan 17 21:42 |
| trmanco | yes | Jan 17 21:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: universities are cheap for canadian residents | Jan 17 21:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: about 1/10th the non-resident fees | Jan 17 21:42 |
| rnb | yeah but with the current government, it might not be that way for long | Jan 17 21:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: I hate Harper. | Jan 17 21:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: canada deserves better than that P.O.S. | Jan 17 21:42 |
| rnb | canada put him there :) | Jan 17 21:43 |
| trmanco | oh politics | Jan 17 21:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: stupidly | Jan 17 21:43 |
| cubezzz | I voted for the Greens | Jan 17 21:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: but they're waking up i think | Jan 17 21:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: if you've been following politics up here | Jan 17 21:43 |
| rnb | they banned one of my favorite people, george galloway | Jan 17 21:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: he's pissed off a lot of people , increasingly | Jan 17 21:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: I know. | Jan 17 21:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: Harper has to go | Jan 17 21:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: that was an outrage | Jan 17 21:43 |
| rnb | that makes canada more restrictive than even the US! | Jan 17 21:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: oil sands | Jan 17 21:43 |
| trmanco | how long until the next elections? | Jan 17 21:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: not sure. i can't actually vote. only complain :| | Jan 17 21:44 |
| trmanco | :| | Jan 17 21:44 |
| trmanco | why is that? | Jan 17 21:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: i'm not canadian | Jan 17 21:44 |
| rnb | there are a lot of USians who "wish they were canadian" | Jan 17 21:44 |
| rnb | its annoying | Jan 17 21:44 |
| trmanco | ah right :/ | Jan 17 21:44 |
| trmanco | you can become one :-P | Jan 17 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: there are some advantages. safer. free health care. etc. | Jan 17 21:45 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: you're from the US? what part? | Jan 17 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: multicultural, if you like that | Jan 17 21:45 |
| trmanco | I'm lucky I've been born a canadian | Jan 17 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: not us | Jan 17 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: big Lusitano community here. right around where we live. | Jan 17 21:45 |
| cubezzz | I immigrated | Jan 17 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: do you know TO well? | Jan 17 21:45 |
| rnb | FurnaceBoy: where from? | Jan 17 21:45 |
| cubezzz | but am a citizen | Jan 17 21:45 |
| trmanco | it's not just where you live :-P | Jan 17 21:45 |
| trmanco | TO, not really | Jan 17 21:45 |
| rnb | well i live in one of the most liberal, multicultural cities in the US | Jan 17 21:46 |
| rnb | and it is still basically a center-right, racist banana republic | Jan 17 21:46 |
| trmanco | I will be living close... though | Jan 17 21:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: gotcha | Jan 17 21:46 |
| cubezzz | rnb, which city? Or should I try to guess? | Jan 17 21:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: he stated it above | Jan 17 21:46 |
| rnb | cubezzz: but go ahead and guess | Jan 17 21:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | meh. | Jan 17 21:47 |
| rnb | there arent that many liberal cities in the US :) | Jan 17 21:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think I figured out how to deal with windows | Jan 17 21:47 |
| cubezzz | Boston? :) | Jan 17 21:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | buy a machine just for it, and it alone | Jan 17 21:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: better yet, just avoid it ? | Jan 17 21:47 |
| rnb | no sir | Jan 17 21:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: or you need games? | Jan 17 21:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: games :< | Jan 17 21:47 |
| trmanco | Diablo-D3: add 4 gb to the machine | Jan 17 21:47 |
| trmanco | of ram | Jan 17 21:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | trmanco: add? dude, I already have 8 | Jan 17 21:47 |
| trmanco | lol | Jan 17 21:47 |
| rnb | i wish i lived on the east coast | Jan 17 21:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: right, even i reboot for that. monopoly effect. :( | Jan 17 21:47 |
| trmanco | oh | Jan 17 21:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: Im trying not to reboot for it | Jan 17 21:47 |
| trmanco | Diablo-D3: why won't it work then? | Jan 17 21:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | trmanco: _games_ | Jan 17 21:48 |
| trmanco | ah :/ | Jan 17 21:48 |
| trmanco | buy a console | Jan 17 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: right, i hate rebooting but haven't found a better way. | Jan 17 21:48 |
| trmanco | :-P | Jan 17 21:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | xen is the closest solution | Jan 17 21:48 |
| rnb | ah well, i gotta go | Jan 17 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | trmanco: :) | Jan 17 21:48 |
| rnb | i need to work | Jan 17 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | rnb: tchau amigo | Jan 17 21:48 |
| trmanco | te logo | Jan 17 21:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | trmanco: why would I want an out of date computer thats half the speed of anything I can build? | Jan 17 21:48 |
| rnb | ateh logo | Jan 17 21:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, technically xen is the actual solution | Jan 17 21:48 |
| trmanco | Diablo-D3: it's a lot cheaper too | Jan 17 21:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | xen has functioning pci-e passthrough for videocards | Jan 17 21:48 |
| trmanco | you wouldn't, but cheap saves the day | Jan 17 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: i'm agp | Jan 17 21:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | problem is, debian's xen packaging is totally fucked. | Jan 17 21:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: dude, upgrade already | Jan 17 21:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: agp has been dead for like 10 years | Jan 17 21:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | and agp is so goddamned broken | Jan 17 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 17 21:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | its basically a fast PCI bus | Jan 17 21:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: what do you play btw? | Jan 17 21:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: tf2 lately | Jan 17 21:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | and wine can't handle it correctly for me | Jan 17 21:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | about half of users it does | Jan 17 21:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | and vbox's wined3d->gl passthrough setup cant handle Source-based games correctly yet | Jan 17 21:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | they render now, but with errors | Jan 17 21:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | wine actually does render correctly, but randomly locks tf2 up | Jan 17 21:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | I finally installed w7 after not having windows installed on real hardware for about 5 years | Jan 17 21:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | depressingly, 3D performance isn't all that good | Jan 17 21:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | ati windows ~= fglrx. | Jan 17 21:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only thing I gain is Source games actually working right and some of the highest quality settings now show up (they dont in wine due to missing d3d9 impls) | Jan 17 21:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dunno why microsoft just doesnt admit linux is superior and figure out how to let me play windows games on linux | Jan 17 21:54 |
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| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt have to be an open source solution, it just has to work. | Jan 17 21:54 |
| Jose_X | http://againstmonopoly.com/index.php?perm=593056000000002293 | Jan 17 21:54 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Against Monopoly .::. Size~: 23.53 KB | Jan 17 21:54 |
| MinceR | why would they suddenly care what's superior? | Jan 17 21:54 |
| Jose_X | funny video about copyright | Jan 17 21:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: they don't need to be involved; just need vendors to support operating systems ppl actually want to run. | Jan 17 21:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: because they want my money. | Jan 17 21:54 |
| MinceR | or what works? they never have. | Jan 17 21:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd pay for it. | Jan 17 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: just another negative effect of a monopoly | Jan 17 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: so would I | Jan 17 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: and thousands of others | Jan 17 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: it'll happen | Jan 17 21:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | in fact, I'd actually pay for _something_ | Jan 17 21:55 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: they probably realize they can't make anything worth paying for. | Jan 17 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: just not damn soon enough | Jan 17 21:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: well | Jan 17 21:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | lets say I won powerball | Jan 17 21:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd donate $250k to wine | Jan 17 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: :) | Jan 17 21:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | asking them to finally fix the goddamned support for source games FOREVER | Jan 17 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: until DX12, 13, 14, 15, 16... | Jan 17 21:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: well | Jan 17 21:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: you have a well funded opponent | Jan 17 21:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | dx11 is kinda dead | Jan 17 21:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: M$ is motivated to use all kinds of tricks to make this work badly | Jan 17 21:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | all they did was change the api AGAIN and add no features people want | Jan 17 21:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: exactly. | Jan 17 21:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Source doesnt do dx10 yet | Jan 17 21:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: why? to stop non-windows ppl running stuff | Jan 17 21:56 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: this will go on until they DIE | Jan 17 21:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | it has a target for it (internally named 98), but no games are using it | Jan 17 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Hey, Jose_X | Jan 17 21:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | and no valve source game supports 9.0+ features (dx9 api + dx10 shaders) | Jan 17 21:57 |
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| Jose_X | cute video with catchy tune | Jan 17 21:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | and a lot of dx10 games can do the same thing in dx9 mode | Jan 17 21:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | all they do is multipass the renderer | Jan 17 21:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its inefficient, but the game looks the same | Jan 17 21:58 |
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| Diablo-D3 | microsoft would have been better off if they let XP do dx10 | Jan 17 21:58 |
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| Diablo-D3 | a lot of games arent shipping with dx10-only support because half of windows users are still on XP | Jan 17 21:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is mildly ironic... you have XP users on completely brand new high end workstations | Jan 17 21:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | as long as it doesnt have >4gb of memory, its not an issue. | Jan 17 21:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, side question | Jan 17 22:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | when did windows start booting so damned fast? | Jan 17 22:00 |
| MinceR | i don't know, i've never seen it boot "fast" | Jan 17 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Jose_X: yes, I saw this video ebfore | Jan 17 22:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | 7 boots in about 60 seconds (grub -> desktop) | Jan 17 22:00 |
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| Diablo-D3 | xp does it in like 2-3 minutes | Jan 17 22:01 |
| Jose_X | well, "my" work here was done before I even showed up | Jan 17 22:01 |
| Jose_X | :) | Jan 17 22:01 |
| Jose_X | schestowitz.. | Jan 17 22:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu 9.10 does it in about 30. | Jan 17 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Jose_X: But..... | Jan 17 22:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | so yeah, if its only half as fast as linux, thats fast for windows. | Jan 17 22:01 |
| schestowitz | I have just added it for posting later | Jan 17 22:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | 30 seconds is a median boot time for a workstation that hasn't changed in about 25 years | Jan 17 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Jan 17 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Jose_X: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTXIzaxfox4 | Jan 17 22:02 |
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| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: not really | Jan 17 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, really. | Jan 17 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | I've tested. | Jan 17 22:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: it used to be mere seconds for DOS | Jan 17 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Another one on the queue | Jan 17 22:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | then win31 took about a minute | Jan 17 22:02 |
| *FurnaceBoy owns hardware back to the mid 80s | Jan 17 22:02 | |
| Diablo-D3 | er 30 | Jan 17 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: workstation | Jan 17 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: unix, for example | Jan 17 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: 30 second workstation boot goes back to the 80s | Jan 17 22:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | then 3.1 with 486s came out, so that was 30 seconds or so | Jan 17 22:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: linux is different though | Jan 17 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: i think my linux boot is around that. | Jan 17 22:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu has all that faggoty shit like gnome to startup | Jan 17 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: OS X , same | Jan 17 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: it's basically a constant median | Jan 17 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: yes, then something else comes to slow it down again | Jan 17 22:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, otoh | Jan 17 22:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | I use debian | Jan 17 22:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | I also use xfce | Jan 17 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Everyone uses Debian | Jan 17 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu | Jan 17 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Kuhn | Jan 17 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Chrome | Jan 17 22:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | shuddup roy, Im talking here | Jan 17 22:04 |
| *schestowitz throws sock at Diablo-D3 | Jan 17 22:04 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I also load postgresql and cherokee and a bunch of other shit | Jan 17 22:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I still only take 30 seconds. | Jan 17 22:04 |
| *FurnaceBoy uses gentoo | Jan 17 22:04 | |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: right | Jan 17 22:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: it's amazingly constant | Jan 17 22:05 |
| MinceR | Kuhn? | Jan 17 22:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | if I took out pg and cherokee, it'd probably be closer to 15 seconds | Jan 17 22:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | but Im too lazy to check | Jan 17 22:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, whats fun is, slim+xfce load instantly | Jan 17 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: wow, pg takes 15 seconds to start? | Jan 17 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | Apache should be < 0.5 sec | Jan 17 22:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | IME | Jan 17 22:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wont use apache because its too bloated, unstable, and sucks dick | Jan 17 22:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | cherokee can do everything apache does in far less memory, far less code, and 10 times the speed | Jan 17 22:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | but yeah, pg kinda sucks the performance out of my boot | Jan 17 22:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've heard | Jan 17 22:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's a *long* startup time | Jan 17 22:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | I should remove pg from boot | Jan 17 22:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | I only use it when I'm developing sql apps | Jan 17 22:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: just some item from yesterday's news | Jan 17 22:07 |
| schestowitz | http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/01/14/ubuntu-debian.html | Jan 17 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | SFLC... not far from FSF endorsing Debian | Jan 17 22:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | also, whoever kuhn is | Jan 17 22:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes a noob | Jan 17 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Jan 17 22:08 |
| schestowitz | He's a sysadmin | Jan 17 22:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes only been using debian since 2003 | Jan 17 22:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | what a noob | Jan 17 22:08 |
| schestowitz | That's how he started at the FSF | Jan 17 22:08 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter who he is or what he does, Diablo-D3 disses everybody all the time anyway :> | Jan 17 22:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | that isnt it | Jan 17 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: they use LaTeX for legal uses | Jan 17 22:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive been using debian since the dawn of time | Jan 17 22:09 |
| schestowitz | 93 | Jan 17 22:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | God said, "and let their be light!" and I said, "dude, stfu, Im waiting for my kernel to compile" | Jan 17 22:09 |
| schestowitz | or 94 | Jan 17 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Then God made two naked people | Jan 17 22:09 |
| schestowitz | And gave them a snake | Jan 17 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Poervert. | Jan 17 22:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and posted nekkid pics on Usenet | Jan 17 22:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: pretty sure Adam supplied his own snake there | Jan 17 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: they also had a freakin Apple | Jan 17 22:10 |
| MinceR | which god said that? | Jan 17 22:10 |
| MinceR | the god of illiteracy? :> | Jan 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: no | Jan 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | And they had two boys | Jan 17 22:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, but the snake gave the apple to eve | Jan 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | There's something missing | Jan 17 22:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | so clearly.... satan is a macfag. | Jan 17 22:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohohoho. | Jan 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I guess Kane and Abel got pregnant somehow | Jan 17 22:11 |
| MinceR | not Kane | Jan 17 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: trailer trash | Jan 17 22:11 |
| MinceR | Kane went back in time to conquer the world. | Jan 17 22:11 |
| MinceR | or something. | Jan 17 22:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | can we just give schestowitz a real bible and get it over with? | Jan 17 22:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | silly KJVfags. | Jan 17 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: he likes etexts | Jan 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | With factual stuff | Jan 17 22:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: :) | Jan 17 22:12 |
| schestowitz | If I wanted fantasy and sci-fi, he bible is OK | Jan 17 22:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I think there's better out there | Jan 17 22:12 |
| schestowitz | /he/the/ | Jan 17 22:12 |
| MinceR | the bible is pretty bad fiction | Jan 17 22:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and I'm not thinking of L. Ron H., | Jan 17 22:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not really | Jan 17 22:12 |
| MinceR | it's boring, uses unclear language and it likes to contradict itself | Jan 17 22:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | L RON HUBBARD | Jan 17 22:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | lololol | Jan 17 22:12 |
| schestowitz | How many sci-fi books do you know where laws of the universe get violated? | Jan 17 22:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: :) | Jan 17 22:12 |
| *Diablo-D3 puts on his guy fawkes mask | Jan 17 22:12 | |
| MinceR | LRH's works probably aren't better either | Jan 17 22:12 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 17 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: now, now... only HARD ppl care | Jan 17 22:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | ANONYMOUS DOESNT... really give a shit. | Jan 17 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Like, imagine Star Trek water-walking and people who speak from a friggin bush | Jan 17 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Wesley Crusher. | Jan 17 22:13 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 17 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: could not exist in a rational universe | Jan 17 22:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: HAH | Jan 17 22:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the sad part is | Jan 17 22:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | wil wheaton agrees with you | Jan 17 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: follow @wilwheaton | Jan 17 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I did, by accident | Jan 17 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: I know Wil | Jan 17 22:14 |
| schestowitz | I worked with him for a while | Jan 17 22:14 |
| schestowitz | He uses Debian BTW | Jan 17 22:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes Im aware he does | Jan 17 22:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | he also uses macs | Jan 17 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Wil is a former star trying to find a new career | Jan 17 22:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | former star? | Jan 17 22:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude, he still acts | Jan 17 22:15 |
| schestowitz | It's like ex-singers who get pregnant and disappear forever in some prairie | Jan 17 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: his name rarely goes ABOVE the title | Jan 17 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: just sayin | Jan 17 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: Star Trek | Jan 17 22:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: he didnt stop acting | Jan 17 22:15 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jan 17 22:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | in fact, after star trek, he learned to act. | Jan 17 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: he didn't say former actor | Jan 17 22:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohohoho | Jan 17 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: he said former *star* :) | Jan 17 22:16 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wil_weaton | Jan 17 22:16 |
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| Diablo-D3 | then he was never a star. | Jan 17 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: well when you get GOOD, Hollywood runs out of uses for you | Jan 17 22:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | ever. | Jan 17 22:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually, I wonder wtf hes doing now | Jan 17 22:16 |
| *Diablo-D3 hits the wil wheaton blog! | Jan 17 22:16 | |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: is it really misspelled like that | Jan 17 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: he tweets. @wilsheaton | Jan 17 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: @wilwheaton* | Jan 17 22:17 |
| schestowitz | # Neverland (2003) | Jan 17 22:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | he also blogs | Jan 17 22:17 |
| schestowitz | # Americanizing Shelley (2007) | Jan 17 22:17 |
| schestowitz | # Star Trek (2009) (voices various Romulans)[35] | Jan 17 22:17 |
| schestowitz | # Hit Somebody (2011) | Jan 17 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: i'm not *that* masochistic | Jan 17 22:17 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't do many films anymore, I guess | Jan 17 22:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Im not a twitterfag. | Jan 17 22:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: a lot of canadian TV shows | Jan 17 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | they'll take ANYBODY | Jan 17 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | does he ever get cast UNironically? | Jan 17 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's kinda like OJ Simpson of the trekkie scene | Jan 17 22:17 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 17 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Principals | Jan 17 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Chairman Jay Adelson · CEO Jim Louderback | Jan 17 22:18 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 17 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Weird.. | Jan 17 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Digg and PC World | Jan 17 22:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, digg sucks | Jan 17 22:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | get over it | Jan 17 22:18 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wil_Wheaton_Meets_Tim_O%27Reilly.jpg | Jan 17 22:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 17 22:19 |
| schestowitz | That's a lame photo | Jan 17 22:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/wwdn/~3/zsfExAiS43o/echoes-beyond-the-infinite.html | Jan 17 22:19 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google FeedBurner .::. Size~: 11.14 KB | Jan 17 22:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | lolwut | Jan 17 22:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dented that video the other day | Jan 17 22:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder if wil reads someone that I do. | Jan 17 22:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | HAH | Jan 17 22:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: look who took the photo | Jan 17 22:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | merlyn :D | Jan 17 22:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thepublicdomain.org/2009/12/31/fahrenheit-451-book-burning-as-done-by-lawyers/ | Jan 17 22:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Fahrenheit 451& Book burning as done by lawyers | The Public Domain | .::. Size~: 60.89 KB | Jan 17 22:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/6607947/Tintin-film-boycott-threat-over-row-with-Herg-widows-British-husband.html | Jan 17 22:21 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Tintin film boycott threat over row with Hergé widow's British husband - Telegraph .::. Size~: 58.34 KB | Jan 17 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: so Schwatz? | Jan 17 22:22 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't matter | Jan 17 22:22 |
| schestowitz | But the ORLY people are a danger to FS | Jan 17 22:22 |
| schestowitz | FSF gave them a good lesson.... | Jan 17 22:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | roy | Jan 17 22:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | according to you | Jan 17 22:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | everyone is a danger to free software | Jan 17 22:23 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Jan 17 22:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#17%20January%202010%20%28Alan%20Ellis%20cleared%20of%20Conspiracy%20to%20Defraud%29 | Jan 17 22:24 |
| schestowitz | "When the entertainment companies lose the fight against an individual, they present this as a reason why they need nastier laws." | Jan 17 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: you made that up | Jan 17 22:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | I did not | Jan 17 22:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: If you're not with us you're against us! | Jan 17 22:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | you claimed o'rly people, which includes schwartz, is against FS | Jan 17 22:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | the guy WHO WROTE THE FUCKING CAMEL BOOK | Jan 17 22:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/15/sunni-candidate-ban-iraq-election | Jan 17 22:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Sunni candidates ban threatens Iraq election |World news |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 68.81 KB | Jan 17 22:26 |
| schestowitz | "Democracy" | Jan 17 22:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: how does that equate to "everyone" ? | Jan 17 22:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: read bn sometime | Jan 17 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: no, he's not with them | Jan 17 22:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: F/OSS has many enemies masquerading as friends. de Icaza. Mueller. | Jan 17 22:26 |
| schestowitz | I was referring to Tim ORLY | Jan 17 22:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: theres nothing wrong with tim | Jan 17 22:26 |
| schestowitz | I beg to differ | Jan 17 22:27 |
| *Balrog_ has quit () | Jan 17 22:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I love the #fsf promoting the freedom to choose what they approve of, if not they'll round on you for it | Jan 17 22:27 | |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 17 22:27 |
| schestowitz | [22:26] <FurnaceBoy> Diablo-D3: F/OSS has many enemies masquerading as friends. de Icaza. Mueller. | Jan 17 22:27 |
| schestowitz | He is not masquerading | Jan 17 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Not de Icaza | Jan 17 22:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | also yes, de icaza isnt masquerading at all | Jan 17 22:27 |
| schestowitz | He's a Microsoft MVP | Jan 17 22:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | he really is the bad guy | Jan 17 22:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | and he admits it too | Jan 17 22:27 |
| schestowitz | So it's a traitor with certificates | Jan 17 22:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | hell, he started the mono project | Jan 17 22:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | he also banned me from #mono when I called him on it | Jan 17 22:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: masquerading or not, a lot of people don't realise he's an enemy | Jan 17 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Cause he's groomed | Jan 17 22:28 |
| schestowitz | For a long time Slashdot groomed him | Jan 17 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Then Novell/Microsoft blogs | Jan 17 22:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: tim isnt for or against foss in any realistic way, btw | Jan 17 22:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Jan 17 22:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | i know | Jan 17 22:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: hes all next gen web shit, which indirectly is pro foss | Jan 17 22:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-01-16-007-35-NW-MS-DV | Jan 17 22:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's worth counter-attacking this perception | Jan 17 22:28 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Today - Microsoft Names Miguel de Icaza one of its Most Valuable Professionals .::. Size~: 91.1 KB | Jan 17 22:29 |
| schestowitz | read the responses in Linux Today | Jan 17 22:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: he also pissed in amazon's cheerios over the one click patent shit | Jan 17 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: not FOSS | Jan 17 22:29 |
| schestowitz | FS | Jan 17 22:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | roy, dont be an RMSfag. | Jan 17 22:29 |
| schestowitz | He's pro OSS and some types of standards/APIs | Jan 17 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Mashups and stuff | Jan 17 22:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | some of us live in the real world. | Jan 17 22:29 |
| schestowitz | He's not an enemy or anything | Jan 17 22:29 |
| schestowitz | He's just a distraction to FOSS people sometimes | Jan 17 22:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes not anti-FS. | Jan 17 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Like when Microsoft pays him money to say bollox | Jan 17 22:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: de icaza? are you kidding? | Jan 17 22:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: yes, I basically told him hes a fucking moron to his face. | Jan 17 22:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, the closest to "his face' you can get on irc | Jan 17 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Don't get too close | Jan 17 22:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, he might suck my dick or something | Jan 17 22:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | he looks like a dick sucker | Jan 17 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Mononucleosisand all..... | Jan 17 22:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohoho. | Jan 17 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Oh, stop that | Jan 17 22:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously though | Jan 17 22:31 |
| schestowitz | I was replying to "[22:30] <Diablo-D3> well, the closest to "his face' you can get on irc" | Jan 17 22:31 |
| schestowitz | But you added some remarks in between | Jan 17 22:31 |
| schestowitz | And you make that be seen out of context | Jan 17 22:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: welcome to irc. | Jan 17 22:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyhow, miguel really doesnt pretend to be a friend of foss at all | Jan 17 22:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: i agree, but it's perceived that he's somehow helpful, that Mono is somehow helpful. | Jan 17 22:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | in the weaker-minded quarters | Jan 17 22:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.azzaman.com/english/index.asp?fname=news\2010-01-13\kurd.htm | Jan 17 22:33 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Azzaman in English .::. Size~: 1.42 KB | Jan 17 22:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | mono is "helpful" in the sense that, thanks to mono, I'll never take c# seriously. | Jan 17 22:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: haa | Jan 17 22:33 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: the power of PR | Jan 17 22:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | I tried it for a month, and holy fucking shit | Jan 17 22:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | its the worst language ever | Jan 17 22:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes, making things appear the opposite of what they are. | Jan 17 22:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I know C++ | Jan 17 22:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Compassionate Conservative | Jan 17 22:33 |
| schestowitz | When Novell runs out of money, the ads for Mono will just come from the Microsoft ecosystem | Jan 17 22:33 |
| schestowitz | "here, have a poisoned apple" | Jan 17 22:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz++ | Jan 17 22:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not sure what microsoft thinks they're going to do though | Jan 17 22:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | my blog has a lot of readers | Jan 17 22:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | I say c# is shit now and then | Jan 17 22:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: they're doomed | Jan 17 22:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | or that java rocks. | Jan 17 22:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | or that perl rocks. | Jan 17 22:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm being attacked by the Microsoft shills for criticising Mono | Jan 17 22:34 |
| schestowitz | They give away their game | Jan 17 22:34 |
| schestowitz | They LOVE Mono | Jan 17 22:34 |
| *ThistleWeb (n=gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 17 22:34 | |
| schestowitz | They hate Linux | Jan 17 22:34 |
| schestowitz | But... | Jan 17 22:34 |
| schestowitz | They LOVE Mono | Jan 17 22:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | in the software development world, Im a big of a voice as microsoft is. | Jan 17 22:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: duh :) | Jan 17 22:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: well, please kill them now, let's get it over with. | Jan 17 22:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: I can't take the suspense | Jan 17 22:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: they're killing themselves | Jan 17 22:35 |
| *schestowitz takes off suspenders | Jan 17 22:35 | |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: I agree | Jan 17 22:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: it's just taking so LOOOOONG | Jan 17 22:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | go towards the light, Bill! | Jan 17 22:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/development/architecture-design/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222301008 | Jan 17 22:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: What Developers Think -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 86.27 KB | Jan 17 22:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: I'd like to see him do some time, first. | Jan 17 22:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually, Im being mean | Jan 17 22:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | even Bill has no control over microsoft now | Jan 17 22:35 |
| schestowitz | "The majority of developers still write code on Windows PCs, but when they deploy apps, almost one in four targets Linux as their primary deployment operating system. And while 5% of developers have moved to a Mac as their primary development machine, most of them are targeting Linux or Windows as a primary deployment operating system, not OS X." | Jan 17 22:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft is so huge that no single person has any control over it | Jan 17 22:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | "when they deploy apps, almost one │ | Jan 17 22:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/17/evaluating_embedded/ | Jan 17 22:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Why embedded OS's are like mammals • The Register .::. Size~: 27.66 KB | Jan 17 22:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | in four targets Linux as their primary deployment operating system" | Jan 17 22:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | bill basiclaly quit over this | Jan 17 22:36 |
| schestowitz | "But what OS is in the box? Unsurprising perhaps is the dominance of Linux in this space. I should perhaps say unsurprising to me, as it does appear to have achieved a level of “de facto” status among many of my old programming colleagues." | Jan 17 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Linux is winning with devs | Jan 17 22:36 |
| schestowitz | That's just news from today BTW | Jan 17 22:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | is? | Jan 17 22:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | unix in general already won with devs. | Jan 17 22:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | microsoft didnt even exist yet | Jan 17 22:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: I would agree. | Jan 17 22:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | and microsoft, over the past 20 years, has done nothing to put a dent in that. | Jan 17 22:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know where, even now, all the money is to be made? | Jan 17 22:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | not on desktop software of any kind | Jan 17 22:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | its all enterprise. | Jan 17 22:37 |
| schestowitz | unix is not linux | Jan 17 22:37 |
| schestowitz | sun is dying | Jan 17 22:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you know where all the enterprise money is to be made? java. | Jan 17 22:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you know where java runs? | Jan 17 22:37 |
| schestowitz | linux inherits unix legacy | Jan 17 22:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | on *nixs. | Jan 17 22:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: like web application servers. | Jan 17 22:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you know what linux is? the most popular enterprise *nix. | Jan 17 22:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | ergo, microsoft is so absolutely totally fucked. | Jan 17 22:37 |
| schestowitz | What happens with Vista now? | Jan 17 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Will there be RC? Can they eliminate it with gratis upgrades? | Jan 17 22:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, dont say Sun is dead. | Jan 17 22:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | Sun is very much alive. | Jan 17 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Or will many code monkeys burn money maintaining the POS that some businesses were foolish enough to deploy? | Jan 17 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: Solaris | Jan 17 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe. | Jan 17 22:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | solaris is not quite dead. | Jan 17 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Stil losing share | Jan 17 22:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | solaris as a closed source product is dead | Jan 17 22:38 |
| schestowitz | SCO too | Jan 17 22:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | the next solaris release will be opensolaris repackaged | Jan 17 22:39 |
| schestowitz | RHEL-like? | Jan 17 22:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | and opensolaris is trying to turn into debian | Jan 17 22:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: no, sun-like | Jan 17 22:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | sun repackages all their shit that way now | Jan 17 22:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | openjdk is repackaged as sun java, glassfish is repackaged into sun... web... something. | Jan 17 22:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | its basically the same thing plus support contracts | Jan 17 22:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is how you properly run a foss business. | Jan 17 22:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im actually impressed Sun managed to turn into one without dying in the process | Jan 17 22:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4697/125/ | Jan 17 22:40 |
| schestowitz | The Big Bully is at it again | Jan 17 22:40 |
| schestowitz | "U.S. To Costa Rica: No Sugar Access Without Copyright Reform" | Jan 17 22:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | ....! | Jan 17 22:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | holy crap | Jan 17 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Uncle Sam takes out the Big Gun | Jan 17 22:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | and oracle buying sun makes total sense | Jan 17 22:41 |
| schestowitz | A kinder, gentler Hollywood | Jan 17 22:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they already rolled over Australia, or rather, Australia rolled over. FTA | Jan 17 22:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | oracle is the largest third party java developer, and oracle has a shitload of java using customers | Jan 17 22:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: right | Jan 17 22:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | and oracle also wants a oracle db box | Jan 17 22:41 |
| schestowitz | That's extortion | Jan 17 22:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: they also integrate java into the rdbms, don't they? | Jan 17 22:41 |
| schestowitz | They should report to the US.... well, who to?????? | Jan 17 22:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: yeah, but as a language you can call | Jan 17 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it is | Jan 17 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: I know | Jan 17 22:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: I can do that with pg | Jan 17 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: it's clever | Jan 17 22:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | but yeah, oracle buying sun for java and the hardware shit is pretty smart | Jan 17 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: it's an obvious choice for extension language | Jan 17 22:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just wish they'd kill mysql already | Jan 17 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: the hardware is really slick thanks to Bechtolsheim's renaissance | Jan 17 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: the consolidation/cloud market is perfect for Sun | Jan 17 22:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessweek.com/print/magazine/content/10_04/b4164028483414.htm | Jan 17 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Slashdot plays the MSpin now.... | Jan 17 22:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | sun almost invented clouds, FurnaceBoy | Jan 17 22:43 |
| schestowitz | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/01/17/1639221/Google-Phone-Could-Drive-Apple-Into-Allegiance-With-Microsoft?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | Jan 17 22:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Apple vs. Google - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 42.76 KB | Jan 17 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: The Network is the Compuer. | Jan 17 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | Computer* | Jan 17 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: clouds were invented by nature | Jan 17 22:43 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Apple Story | Google Phone Could Drive Apple Into Allegiance With Microsoft .::. Size~: 161.32 KB | Jan 17 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: so it's patented? :/ | Jan 17 22:43 |
| schestowitz | That stuff is just being renames | Jan 17 22:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: and oracle has been a cloud application server for like a decade now | Jan 17 22:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, oracle as an application server scares the shit out of me | Jan 17 22:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | its voodoo man was never meant to use! | Jan 17 22:44 |
| schestowitz | More often than Microsoft's advertisements masquerading as "search engine" | Jan 17 22:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: oracle-styled apps are very easy to deploy across a cluster | Jan 17 22:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're just limited in the sense that they're data processing oriented | Jan 17 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, APple doesn't need Microsoft now | Jan 17 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has its own problems with anything but desktop (but desktop margins too) | Jan 17 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Oracle dislikes WIndows and OS X it does not care for, so I don't mind them much | Jan 17 22:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Dear #CIBC, your #Bing-based branch locator is rubbish. #microsoft #canada #fail | Jan 17 22:46 | |
| schestowitz | They would rather people used Linux or Unix on their desktop | Jan 17 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Desktop peace at last | Jan 17 22:46 |
| Jose_X | schestowitz.. wrt the costa rica sugar for ip blackmail.. | Jan 17 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Jose_X: "it's just their nature," I know :-) | Jan 17 22:47 |
| Jose_X | the us is using their extra leverage to ask for even more.. | Jan 17 22:47 |
| schestowitz | The MAFIAA works that way, like it always does. | Jan 17 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Strangulations | Jan 17 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry | Jan 17 22:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@stephintoronto outlandish dresser=style icon? try Iris Apfel http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/jan/17/new-year-new-cool-fashion | Jan 17 22:48 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: New Year, New Cool |Life and style |The Observer .::. Size~: 92.54 KB | Jan 17 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Next time there's some natural disaster in Costa Rica they'll send in the marine... to defend Big Copyright | Jan 17 22:48 |
| schestowitz | *Marines | Jan 17 22:48 |
| schestowitz | !google haiti copyright infringement | Jan 17 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - NEWSMEAT ▷ Lawsuit Accuses Fox News of Copyright Infringement | http://www.newsmeat.com/news/meat.php%3FarticleId%3D66559536%26channelId%3D2951%26buyerId%3Dnewsmeatcom%26buid%3D3281 | Jan 17 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - Political Pistachio: Major Earthquake Strikes Haiti | http://politicalpistachio.blogspot.com/2010/01/major-earthquake-strikes-haiti.html | Jan 17 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - BBC News - Fine for Google over French books | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8420876.stm | Jan 17 22:48 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - Germany criticizes Google for copyright infringement | Reuters | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5991L120091010 | Jan 17 22:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.aribo.eu/2010/01/the-human-hand-in-haitis-malediction/ | Jan 17 22:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: @ribo » Blog Archive » The human hand in Haitis malediction .::. Size~: 36.56 KB | Jan 17 22:49 |
| schestowitz | I can vaguely recall Microsoft et al complaining about "piracy" [sic] in the Caribbean | Jan 17 22:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://forums.xkcd.com/download/file.php?id=19928 | Jan 17 22:49 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 17 22:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | I am laughing so hard | Jan 17 22:49 |
| schestowitz | http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2010/01/17/elive/ | Jan 17 22:50 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Elive « Sköne Oke .::. Size~: 15.5 KB | Jan 17 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Debian goodness | Jan 17 22:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 The human hand in #Haiti’s “malediction” http://bit.ly/8Fm4WY | Jan 17 22:50 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: @ribo » Blog Archive » The human hand in Haitis malediction .::. Size~: 36.63 KB | Jan 17 22:50 |
| Jose_X | short term there is the case of: "if you want any of the many products that are evolved and valued (which happen to belong to us), then you play ball or else you take a serious economic hit.. you don't have a monopoly on sugar, but we want you to write into law Disney's monopoly on Mickey | Jan 17 22:50 |
| Jose_X | schestowitz.. | Jan 17 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Obscene forums over there in xkcd | Jan 17 22:51 |
| schestowitz | The Mickey Republica | Jan 17 22:51 |
| schestowitz | If "they" do it, then it's communism | Jan 17 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | + | Jan 17 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Jan 17 22:52 |
| schestowitz | 100 years of copyright is just the right balance (for now, they'll extend it again), cause Beverly Hills says so | Jan 17 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/mparent77772/status/7877999793 | Jan 17 22:52 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Twitter / Marc Parent: Bush Was Responsible for D ... .::. Size~: 10.06 KB | Jan 17 22:52 |
| Jose_X | the "marines" work for all the American people not for hollywood, or that is the theory. second many individuals (american and otherwise) are helping haiti or country X, and not just the US gov. It's sickening to ever condition this sort of aid on helping out in life-n-death. also in terms of influence in the future, all that contributed private money should use their leverage as well. | Jan 17 22:52 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: strike out "ian Democracy" | Jan 17 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Jose_X: Marines just follow orders | Jan 17 22:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: u following @mparent77772 now? | Jan 17 22:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | man | Jan 17 22:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is all bullshit | Jan 17 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Those orders are prescribed by whatever motives business | Jan 17 22:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, you know what the wsj said the other day? | Jan 17 22:54 |
| schestowitz | In Capitalism, it's capital first | Jan 17 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Banada Republic | Jan 17 22:54 |
| schestowitz | *na | Jan 17 22:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | the red cross isnt giving the money to haiti because the cell phone companies (over that text message to give $10 thing) wont give the money to the red cross for another month | Jan 17 22:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | EXCEPT | Jan 17 22:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | EXCCEEEPPPPTT | Jan 17 22:54 |
| schestowitz | /motives/motivates | Jan 17 22:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | the wsj forgot to mention one little detail | Jan 17 22:55 |
| schestowitz | wsj is not a paper | Jan 17 22:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what that teeny tiny leetle detail was? | Jan 17 22:55 |
| schestowitz | It's financial propaganda for the casino known as Wall Street | Jan 17 22:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | the red cross already has several million dollars in haiti doing help | Jan 17 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes they have decent stuff | Jan 17 22:55 |
| schestowitz | To lure in people to prpaganda | Jan 17 22:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the text message only refills the red cross fund for the next event. | Jan 17 22:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | in other words | Jan 17 22:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | the wsj forgot how the red cross works. | Jan 17 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Same with Fox and all sort of nutters who say junk about 9/11 and the environment | Jan 17 22:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | a very well documented and applauded method | Jan 17 22:56 |
| schestowitz | It's the addon system | Jan 17 22:56 |
| schestowitz | "Come and read about the latest Disney use... stick around and be fed with the glory and Fraud Street and why you should put your money in it." | Jan 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | "it's a steal" | Jan 17 22:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@mStudios The #jQuery frenzy has landed on my shoulders too /pretty useful. lot of power is not obvious @ 1st. x-platform is first benefit! | Jan 17 22:57 | |
| schestowitz | Literally as it turns out :-p | Jan 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Confiscation with a nice storyline to make up for it | Jan 17 22:57 |
| schestowitz | http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2010/01/17/consultation-on-einvoicing/ | Jan 17 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | Wow. Participation by the public. It really *is* a miracle | Jan 17 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/book_review_geeks_bearing_gifts | Jan 17 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://katonda.com/blog/492/how-nexus-one-will-change-apple-linux-game | Jan 17 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Coincidence or what? :-( | Jan 17 23:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: that's a good point. | Jan 17 23:00 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/PelicanHPC-2-0-Is-Based-on-Debian-Squeeze-131971.shtml | Jan 17 23:01 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] My distance from anything Google (but search) is justified by stuff like this: http://ur1.ca/k2gw | Jan 17 23:05 | |
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| schestowitz | Good article: http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2010/01/giving_fsf_chie.html;jsessionid=15SQPEKIR2WYBQE1GHPSKH4ATMY32JVN | Jan 17 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/011510-layer8-nasa-mars-spirit-future.html?hpg1=bn | Jan 17 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHFhD5MwzBs | Jan 17 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87_: http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/jordan-signs-deal-with-open-source-database-specialist-3011 | Jan 17 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | What ever happened with Yoggi? | Jan 17 23:34 |
| ender2070 | does chrome os have any proprietary code? | Jan 17 23:35 |
| ender2070 | currently I mean | Jan 17 23:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Guess what. "Stainless steel" rusts, if it's from #China. | Jan 17 23:37 | |
| ender2070 | I don't find any reason not to suggest it when its out, chromium os anyways | Jan 17 23:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "I have just recently decided that my mental health was more valuable to me than programming in C++." Erik Naggum (1994) | Jan 17 23:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "it takes a lot of solid, hard-earned skills to be good at C." Naggum again. True dat. | Jan 17 23:39 | |
| schestowitz | I think it's like the RHEL model | Jan 17 23:39 |
| MinceR | i'd rather suggest a more full-featured distro :> | Jan 17 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Chrome is 'enterprise'/'bulletproof'/other buzzword version | Jan 17 23:40 |
| ender2070 | netbooks wise its fine | Jan 17 23:40 |
| ender2070 | I don't see myself being denied any of the four freedoms | Jan 17 23:40 |
| ender2070 | Captain Dildo found it amusing I have it in a list of Mono-free GNU/Linux distros | Jan 17 23:41 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 17 23:42 |
| ender2070 | he hates google though so I understand where he is coming from | Jan 17 23:42 |
| ender2070 | google is going to make him lose his job, when access goes under due to being pwned by Android | Jan 17 23:43 |
| cubezzz | Captain Dildo? | Jan 17 23:44 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Backtrack 4 is.....interesting... | Jan 17 23:44 |
| ender2070 | Captain Dildo, defender of feminism, freedom and a master troll. His super power is sex magick. | Jan 17 23:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | Great Scott! | Jan 17 23:46 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jan 17 23:46 |
| ender2070 | if we mention his name it might set off his bat computer, so beware | Jan 17 23:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | no no | Jan 17 23:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | the dick computer | Jan 17 23:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | so Im thinking, what does the dildo signal look like? | Jan 17 23:47 |
| *Diablo-D3 snorts | Jan 17 23:48 | |
| cubezzz | yeah I don't want to know | Jan 17 23:48 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Jan 17 23:48 |
| ender2070 | either @ or a japanese symbol | Jan 17 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/sos-f-oss-how-do-we-recognize-projects-in-peril | Jan 17 23:58 |
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