| _Goblin | schestowitz: that link about the sea life was incredibly interesting....Its inspired me to learn more... | Jan 24 00:00 |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz: never really had an interest before. | Jan 24 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | better hurry, never know when the next oil spill will wipe out something we've never even encountered before | Jan 24 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 24 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe the Japanese and Chinese will get a taste for them and hunt them to extinction for the fin | Jan 24 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | throw the rest of the corpse back in the water | Jan 24 00:01 |
| _Goblin | if they can get down to 10000ft, good luck to them. | Jan 24 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's about the only place anything might be safe from humans | Jan 24 00:02 |
| _Goblin | I don't think they will be able to hold their breath long enough | Jan 24 00:02 |
| _Goblin | and its rather cold. | Jan 24 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | if they can hold it out down there til we finish killing ourselves, they're home free | Jan 24 00:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=nasa-one-man-stealth-plane | Jan 24 00:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Electric Icarus: NASA Designs a One-Man Stealth Plane: Scientific American .::. Size~: 100.62 KB | Jan 24 00:03 |
| schestowitz | The problem is, we kill off their food supply | Jan 24 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | now, the problem I have with Sea Shepherd, it not their mission | Jan 24 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Something in their food chain could be ruined by us, too | Jan 24 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | I admire their stated goal | Jan 24 00:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/handcuffed-disarmed-for-obeying-the-law-81088092.html "Charlie Mitchener is a 61-year-old general building contractor with an office near Patrick Lane and Fort Apache Road in Las Vegas. He holds permits allowing him to legally carry concealed weapons in Nevada, Florida and Utah." | Jan 24 00:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: VIN SUPRYNOWICZ: Handcuffed, disarmed for obeying the law - Opinion - ReviewJournal.com .::. Size~: 109.72 KB | Jan 24 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | my tactics would be different | Jan 24 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | ram them and ask questions later | Jan 24 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | take survivors onboard | Jan 24 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | you're not going to get them to stop doing anything by preaching at them through a bullhorn | Jan 24 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | just ram them, you have an ice breaker, just show them you mean business | Jan 24 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | make the rest think before going out whaling again | Jan 24 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | there will always be more humans than are necessary, but whales are endangered by humans | Jan 24 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | you know it's tragic that nobody is willing to sanction Japan over this, or at least strongly condemn them | Jan 24 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Do you hear that on Fox Noise? | Jan 24 00:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/22/byd_e6/ | Jan 24 00:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Billionaire-funded e-car gets showroom date • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 19.58 KB | Jan 24 00:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX: I don't watch Fox | Jan 24 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Only for kicks in YouTube sometimes. | Jan 24 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Bloopers is just them doing the show | Jan 24 00:21 |
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| DaemonFC | making shit up as they go along | Jan 24 00:22 |
| _Goblin | right....back... | Jan 24 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | maybe taking a video clip out of context now and again | Jan 24 00:22 |
| _Goblin | running BitchX now... | Jan 24 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin: That hasn't been updated in forever | Jan 24 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | weren't there some unpatched security flaws in it? | Jan 24 00:23 |
| _Goblin | any need for a light IRC client? | Jan 24 00:23 |
| _Goblin | nah... | Jan 24 00:23 |
| _Goblin | safe enough | Jan 24 00:23 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/21/acta_lammy/ | Jan 24 00:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: MPs frozen out of super-secret copyright talks • The Register .::. Size~: 22.89 KB | Jan 24 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | It's not like IRC is a difficult or complex protocol | Jan 24 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | it hasn't even really ever changed as far as I know | Jan 24 00:24 |
| _Goblin | Im only using it for a while because someone wanted me to do a feature on its usefulness on my site. | Jan 24 00:25 |
| MinceR | the official protocol changed about twice, but there are many unofficial extensions | Jan 24 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | yeah Microsoft tried to make some godawful ones | Jan 24 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 24 00:25 |
| MinceR | (there was the original irc, then the one specified for RFC 1459, then there was an update to that) | Jan 24 00:25 |
| _Goblin | I am a Irssi lover | Jan 24 00:25 |
| MinceR | ircx is a bad joke | Jan 24 00:25 |
| MinceR | but i'm not talking about ircx | Jan 24 00:25 |
| _Goblin | and yes I know BitchX sort of spawned from it. | Jan 24 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft Comic Chat will still install on Windows 7 | Jan 24 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 24 00:25 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: afaik BitchX spawned from ircii | Jan 24 00:25 |
| MinceR | not irssi | Jan 24 00:26 |
| _Goblin | doh. | Jan 24 00:26 |
| _Goblin | typo...couldn#t see what you meant there... | Jan 24 00:26 |
| _Goblin | I have the IrcII src that Im attempting to pick through. | Jan 24 00:27 |
| schestowitz | iRussia | Jan 24 00:27 |
| _Goblin | sorry...Irssi...no...right lets get this straight...sorry Im tired...: | Jan 24 00:28 |
| _Goblin | right I have the Irssi source...Ive used IrCII and I did think bitchx spawned from Irssi....my mistake. | Jan 24 00:28 |
| _Goblin | as I say Im tired.... | Jan 24 00:28 |
| _Goblin | bet thats all as clear as mud now. | Jan 24 00:29 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 24 00:29 |
| _Goblin | ask me about Red Dwarf though and Im still sh%% hot. | Jan 24 00:29 |
| _Goblin | no matter how tired I am. | Jan 24 00:30 |
| MinceR | :D | Jan 24 00:31 |
| schestowitz | http://stallman.org/photos/china/2000/ms_oss.html | Jan 24 00:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Welcome to RON's Datacom Co., Ltd. - the leading company supports free software community in China! .::. Size~: 8.19 KB | Jan 24 00:39 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: Red Dwarf fight Hulk Hogan and OMG!1 Ubuntu!! | Jan 24 00:39 |
| schestowitz | "Defenselessness is not the American Way. In the land of the free and the brave, developers defend their freedom with the GNU General Public License. " | Jan 24 00:40 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft describes the GNU General Public License (GNU GPL) as an "open source" license, and says it is against the American Way. To understand the GNU GPL, and recognize how it embodies the American Way, you must first be aware that the GPL was not designed for open source. " | Jan 24 00:40 |
| _Goblin | "Whatcha gonna do when the most popular distro puts its arms around you" | Jan 24 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin: Ubuntu's popularity has made it irritating to try to use other distributions already | Jan 24 00:41 |
| _Goblin | why? | Jan 24 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | like "Packaging it for Ubuntu was all we felt like doing, go f--- yourself" | Jan 24 00:41 |
| _Goblin | I hope Im not hearing Linux elitism | Jan 24 00:41 |
| _Goblin | I havent seen that... | Jan 24 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | meh, you're not using Linux, you're using "Ubuntu" | Jan 24 00:42 |
| _Goblin | what packages? | Jan 24 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | we've already gotten to that part | Jan 24 00:42 |
| _Goblin | who says that? | Jan 24 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin: Well, Skype for one was only packaging for Ubuntu at one point | Jan 24 00:43 |
| _Goblin | last time I checked, Ubuntu was debian derived....has that changed? | Jan 24 00:43 |
| _Goblin | and Skype...you said the key words "at one point" | Jan 24 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes something isn't "free enough" for Fedora or Mandriva, so they leave it out | Jan 24 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | and you have to figure out how to compile it yourself | Jan 24 00:43 |
| _Goblin | or choose a distro that does...its not hard. | Jan 24 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | or sometimes you just need a fork of a particular package | Jan 24 00:43 |
| MinceR | lol skype | Jan 24 00:43 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: Ubuntu is derives from Swahili | Jan 24 00:43 |
| schestowitz | *ved | Jan 24 00:44 |
| _Goblin | ah... | Jan 24 00:44 |
| schestowitz | what's up with MarkS? | Jan 24 00:44 |
| schestowitz | He vanished 1 month ago | Jan 24 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Radio silence | Jan 24 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he's looking for a wife or something | Jan 24 00:44 |
| _Goblin | Assimilation? Assasination? A....can't think of any more "tions" | Jan 24 00:44 |
| _Goblin | attestation | Jan 24 00:45 |
| _Goblin | theres one. | Jan 24 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | or as my teenage brother would say "He got tired of Palmela Handerson" | Jan 24 00:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/nautilus-elementary-simplified-nautilus.html | Jan 24 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 24 00:45 |
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| MinceR | absolution | Jan 24 00:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: tired? | Jan 24 00:45 |
| schestowitz | In what sense? | Jan 24 00:45 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he's a tosser | Jan 24 00:45 |
| MinceR | aggravation | Jan 24 00:45 |
| _Goblin | yep.. | Jan 24 00:46 |
| MinceR | abnormal termination | Jan 24 00:46 |
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| _Goblin | aggitation. | Jan 24 00:46 |
| schestowitz | It's like me saying, "I'm tired with Gremlins" | Jan 24 00:46 |
| schestowitz | He never met her, DaemonFOX | Jan 24 00:46 |
| _Goblin | and no thats cheating! ;) | Jan 24 00:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: sounds like a name for a tumour | Jan 24 00:46 |
| MinceR | :D | Jan 24 00:46 |
| schestowitz | It's like in X-File where they give Scully cancer | Jan 24 00:47 |
| _Goblin | abomination. | Jan 24 00:47 |
| schestowitz | *files | Jan 24 00:47 |
| schestowitz | They call it abnormality terminsation :-) | Jan 24 00:47 |
| MinceR | aberration | Jan 24 00:47 |
| _Goblin | agrigation. | Jan 24 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Triple-X-files | Jan 24 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | "Dispatched with extreme prejudice, sir"...... "Shit, here come the ACLU lawyers" | Jan 24 00:47 |
| MinceR | aggregation | Jan 24 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 24 00:48 |
| schestowitz | You beat me to it | Jan 24 00:48 |
| _Goblin | lol | Jan 24 00:48 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna type that | Jan 24 00:48 |
| MinceR | "Mission accomplished... with extreme prejudice!" | Jan 24 00:48 |
| _Goblin | anihilation | Jan 24 00:48 |
| MinceR | that's a good one | Jan 24 00:48 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: total | Jan 24 00:48 |
| MinceR | TA ftw | Jan 24 00:48 |
| schestowitz | It's old | Jan 24 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | why does it have to be with extreme prejudice? why can't we all just, get along? | Jan 24 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 24 00:49 |
| schestowitz | "With all due respect..." | Jan 24 00:49 |
| schestowitz | "I like Linux, but..." | Jan 24 00:49 |
| MinceR | "Can't we all just get along?" | Jan 24 00:49 |
| _Goblin | going back to what I was saying earlier....thats another reason why this room is so great....bizarre random conversations..mixed into sensible discussion and debate. | Jan 24 00:49 |
| schestowitz | "Looking forward..." | Jan 24 00:49 |
| MinceR | "I guess not." | Jan 24 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Going forward..... | Jan 24 00:49 |
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| _Goblin | "Dont get me wrong, I love linux but" | Jan 24 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | On a going forward basis even | Jan 24 00:50 |
| schestowitz | "Innovative innovation" | Jan 24 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Marketing buzzwords | Jan 24 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Cloud FLUFFY(R) incorporated | Jan 24 00:50 |
| _Goblin | MS 101 | Jan 24 00:50 |
| schestowitz | "Buy our wares!! Pllllllease." | Jan 24 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | We will terminate all enemy contacts with extreme prejudice, on a going forward basis, and with all due respect. | Jan 24 00:50 |
| MinceR | "Guess I'm not a people person. Good thing I have Kevlar. ...Wait, do I have Kevlar?" | Jan 24 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | 8-) | Jan 24 00:50 |
| _Goblin | Nooooooooo....don't mention the K word.... | Jan 24 00:51 |
| _Goblin | or the G word | Jan 24 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Jobbik is getting a lot of publicuity cause of that distro announcment | Jan 24 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Maybe a stunt | Jan 24 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Jobskin | Jan 24 00:51 |
| MinceR | almost certainly a stunt | Jan 24 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | I do have a kevlar vest, used to wear it when I went hunting | Jan 24 00:52 |
| MinceR | actually, it might fit into what they're doing | Jan 24 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | no, not cause I was afraid the deer would fire back ;) | Jan 24 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Jobs will send them grenades | Jan 24 00:52 |
| MinceR | remember that FLOSS offers better control over what one's using -- which means less foreign influence | Jan 24 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | there's stray bullets during hunting season | Jan 24 00:52 |
| schestowitz | From the Foxxconn factories that make defective iPods | Jan 24 00:52 |
| _Goblin | see what you've done Mincer? ;) | Jan 24 00:52 |
| schestowitz | They'll just changing the casing | Jan 24 00:52 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: what have i done? :) | Jan 24 00:52 |
| schestowitz | For "iNcreased damage" | Jan 24 00:52 |
| schestowitz | /changing/change/ | Jan 24 00:53 |
| _Goblin | set off DaemonFC on a one man army rant. | Jan 24 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: From the Foxconn factories that make defective everything, you mean | Jan 24 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Yet | Jan 24 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | iMacs with defective displays now | Jan 24 00:53 |
| schestowitz | People with no arms | Jan 24 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Defective minds on each desk! | Jan 24 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Messed up by a 100-hr working week | Jan 24 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | 100 hour work week | Jan 24 00:54 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: How about changing the topic to "Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software but excluding firearms or weapons [publicly logged]" | Jan 24 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | is that legal? | Jan 24 00:54 |
| MinceR | lol, the circus has started >> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/23/160226/Motorola-Asks-ITC-To-Ban-BlackBerry-Imports?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | Jan 24 00:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Motorola Asks ITC To Ban BlackBerry Imports .::. Size~: 135.03 KB | Jan 24 00:54 |
| schestowitz | iMacs put to good use, then | Jan 24 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | in China it is I'm sure | Jan 24 00:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: a while ago | Jan 24 00:54 |
| schestowitz | embargo warzzz | Jan 24 00:54 |
| MinceR | next up, Sony-Ericsson vs. m$? | Jan 24 00:54 |
| MinceR | or HTC? | Jan 24 00:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no | Jan 24 00:55 |
| schestowitz | They collaborate | Jan 24 00:55 |
| schestowitz | WinMob[sic] | Jan 24 00:55 |
| schestowitz | HTC too | Jan 24 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Moving to Android graduallyt | Jan 24 00:55 |
| schestowitz | I don't worry about mobile | Jan 24 00:55 |
| MinceR | m$ vs. google? | Jan 24 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Linux is getting its way there | Jan 24 00:55 |
| MinceR | i'm worried about GNU getting its way there | Jan 24 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is just losing billions there, so I kinda hope they stay | Jan 24 00:56 |
| MinceR | android is crippleware | Jan 24 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Indiana's court of appeals upheld the GPL a few years back | Jan 24 00:56 |
| schestowitz | It is | Jan 24 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Glyn Moody wrote about it in Linux Journal | Jan 24 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | the judge wrote a lengthy finding of fact in GPL's favor | Jan 24 00:56 |
| schestowitz | He got downvoted aggressively | Jan 24 00:56 |
| schestowitz | It was in /.'s fp | Jan 24 00:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Wallace? | Jan 24 00:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: trouble ahead | Jan 24 00:57 |
| schestowitz | The DOJ is filled with former MAFIAA lawyers | Jan 24 00:57 |
| schestowitz | And the MAFIAA openly denounced the FSF | Jan 24 00:57 |
| schestowitz | So the legal system can become more disriminatory | Jan 24 00:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/21/lessig-on-giving-cor.html | Jan 24 00:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Lessig on giving corporations unlimited right to bribe politicians Boing Boing .::. Size~: 230.67 KB | Jan 24 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Also in the news: http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=593056000000002375 | Jan 24 00:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Against Monopoly .::. Size~: 23.13 KB | Jan 24 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | I think Wallace was the one I remember | Jan 24 00:58 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.fsfe.org/hugo/?p=184 | Jan 24 00:58 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: he said it was unconstitutional | Jan 24 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Because, of course, sharing with your neithbour is anti-American | Jan 24 00:59 |
| schestowitz | The MAFIAA has said so | Jan 24 00:59 |
| schestowitz | The criminals from Intel Corp. say that dennouncing crime in Europe is also anti-American | Jan 24 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Until the US FTC sued the criminals from Intel.. | Jan 24 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Then it's just anti-......... well, help me out here | Jan 24 01:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?blogid=19&entry_id=55829 | Jan 24 01:00 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Who said GPL is unconstitutional? | Jan 24 01:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?blogid=19&entry_id=55728 | Jan 24 01:01 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Technology Chronicles : Oracle gets EU approval for acquisition of Sun .::. Size~: 53.27 KB | Jan 24 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Will Oracle cheat on Sun too? | Jan 24 01:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I think Wallace | Jan 24 01:01 |
| schestowitz | There were some challenges | Jan 24 01:01 |
| schestowitz | SCO too, IIRC | Jan 24 01:01 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11912 | Jan 24 01:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/23/business/economy/23fed.html?hp | Jan 24 01:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Opposition Grows Against Second Term for Bernanke - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 72.91 KB | Jan 24 01:02 |
| MinceR | more html5/video trouble >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzkxNQ | Jan 24 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Wallace was so full of shit from the start that it was obvious it would never go anywhere | Jan 24 01:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] G-Streamer For Google's Chrome Proposed But Denied .::. Size~: 17.73 KB | Jan 24 01:02 |
| schestowitz | tessier__: ping? | Jan 24 01:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe to generate GPL noise | Jan 24 01:03 |
| schestowitz | He could be paid to do it | Jan 24 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | "I may start a business SOMEDAY, and would like the court to keep GPL-licensed software from competing with me" | Jan 24 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | is what he was saying | Jan 24 01:03 |
| MinceR | perhaps it's finally time to move videos off web pages | Jan 24 01:03 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: web pages are just a canvas for files | Jan 24 01:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/youtube-ogg | Jan 24 01:04 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ask YouTube for Ogg support! - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 28.79 KB | Jan 24 01:04 |
| schestowitz | You also mustn't discount the fact that some former Softies work at Google now | Jan 24 01:05 |
| MinceR | web pages are just a canvas for bloat | Jan 24 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Scripts | Jan 24 01:05 |
| schestowitz | They are programs, not canvas | Jan 24 01:05 |
| schestowitz | IE even executes activex trash | Jan 24 01:05 |
| schestowitz | It can access and delete local files with the interfaces | Jan 24 01:06 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/01/hands-on-firefox-36.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss | Jan 24 01:06 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Review: Firefox 3.6 brings joy to Web devs, not just users .::. Size~: 33.94 KB | Jan 24 01:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nice details on how to built a home HPC unit http://www.clustermonkey.net//content/view/273/1/ | Jan 24 01:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Subject: (FR) IE market share drops below 60% in EU, #Chrome gains http://ur1.ca/kj8s | Jan 24 01:14 | |
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| schestowitz | It this true: | Jan 24 01:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tomsguide.com/us/HTML5-YouTube-Vimeo-Adobe-Flash,news-5623.html | Jan 24 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | I thought they only experiment w/ it as an option | Jan 24 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | Vimeo is also going for h.264 exclusively schestowitz | Jan 24 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | It's the next best thing to just keeping Flash | Jan 24 01:22 |
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| MinceR | http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2010/01/video_freedom_a.html | Jan 24 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: help us pressure them | Jan 24 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Ogg | Jan 24 01:30 |
| MinceR | he can? | Jan 24 01:33 |
| schestowitz | http://android.processing.org/ | Jan 24 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm quite angry that Google has done this | Jan 24 01:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes | Jan 24 01:33 |
| schestowitz | He has a gun | Jan 24 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Jan 24 01:33 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 24 01:33 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 24 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | I'll go grab my 20 gauge and see if I can convince someone at Google that Ogg is the way | Jan 24 01:33 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 24 01:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX is one of the "crazies" | Jan 24 01:34 |
| schestowitz | The military should have recruited him like they do with the militias in south America | Jan 24 01:34 |
| schestowitz | "got gun. Will travel." | Jan 24 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I do not share their agenda and the pay isn't up to mercenary standards | Jan 24 01:34 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm not really their type :D | Jan 24 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, people can quote me out of context leaving out the sarcasm here. Which they often do..... | Jan 24 01:35 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they have free medicare!!1 | Jan 24 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I told one of them that when they had a recruiter bugging people at Walmart | Jan 24 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | The pay isn't good enough to be a mercenary and I don't share your agenda. | Jan 24 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | Good day! | Jan 24 01:35 |
| DaemonFC | the guy gave me a look after that :D | Jan 24 01:36 |
| schestowitz | If you get a seisure, they'll fly you over in a sack of pillows to Gitmo | Jan 24 01:36 |
| schestowitz | seizures | Jan 24 01:36 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The VA hospitals are horrible and overwhelmed | Jan 24 01:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/us/22guns.html?hpw | Jan 24 01:36 |
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| DaemonFC | the only good thing is that the medications are free | Jan 24 01:36 |
| schestowitz | "free" as in.....? | Jan 24 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: On paper, you get free medical care for the rest of your life. In reality, depends on what you call care. | Jan 24 01:37 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying the rides are free in DisneyWorld Orlando cause you bought a ticket to all the zones | Jan 24 01:37 |
| *schestowitz never going to DisneyWorld ever again | Jan 24 01:38 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They have a VA hospital in Fort Wayne, Indiana and you have people driving from Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio to be seen there | Jan 24 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | it's constantly packed | Jan 24 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I'll take out your grandma there in her Cadillac /sarcasm | Jan 24 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | probably overloaded by about 400% | Jan 24 01:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: as long as you don't convulse | Jan 24 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Then they just ignore you | Jan 24 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | no, they'll pump you full of anti-seizure drugs to get you to stop seizuring in their emergency room | Jan 24 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Video Shows Woman Dying on NY Hospital Floor < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lKUwBCIBzA > | Jan 24 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | then tell you to get the hell out | Jan 24 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Give us your poor, your ill........... | Jan 24 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | after signing a form stating that you agreed to their treatment | Jan 24 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | while you still don't know what planet you're on | Jan 24 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | then a week later, the bills start arriving | Jan 24 01:40 |
| schestowitz | WHo found you in the shower anyway? | Jan 24 01:40 |
| schestowitz | You never told us | Jan 24 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | nobody, I had to crawl out of there | Jan 24 01:40 |
| schestowitz | So you were like..... naked and chocked? | Jan 24 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | it's kind of a shower stall and my arms were banged up and bruising | Jan 24 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | pretty much, yeah | Jan 24 01:41 |
| schestowitz | "Run away!!!!! It's crazy naked man" | Jan 24 01:41 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, it's not joking matter | Jan 24 01:41 |
| schestowitz | Couldn't help it though | Jan 24 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1927/dscf0469.jpg http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6/dscf0466.jpg | Jan 24 01:41 |
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| DaemonFC | Two weeks later | Jan 24 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | now imagine crawling out of an elevated shower stall and to the phone | Jan 24 01:42 |
| schestowitz | I know families whose kids collapsed in the bathroom | Jan 24 01:42 |
| schestowitz | It's a tricky place when there's emergency | Jan 24 01:42 |
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| schestowitz | Why did it burst out in the shower anyway? Bad luck? | Jan 24 01:43 |
| rnb | hello | Jan 24 01:43 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 24 01:43 |
| rnb | hey there | Jan 24 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: the last thing I remember was I had just washed my hair and started getting tunnel visioned | Jan 24 01:43 |
| rnb | my power just went out :( | Jan 24 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | then my legs got weak, so I set myself down | Jan 24 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | then I blacked out | Jan 24 01:43 |
| rnb | like a 3-block radius black-out | Jan 24 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | I woke up under cold water running out of the shower | Jan 24 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | I believe it was about 30-45 minutes later | Jan 24 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | crawled out, screaming in pain | Jan 24 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | got dressed well enough to leave the house | Jan 24 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | called my mom (ambulance adds another $1,000) | Jan 24 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | she drove me to the hospital, doctor argued that I did not have a seizure | Jan 24 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | while he's arguing with us, I go into another one | Jan 24 01:45 |
| schestowitz | So you passed out while getting injured? | Jan 24 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | woke up in a hospital bed, in a gown | Jan 24 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | I fell over onto a bed actually | Jan 24 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 24 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | caught a break there | Jan 24 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Ouch | Jan 24 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Scary! | Jan 24 01:46 |
| schestowitz | At least you didn't get hurt fighting for Big Oil companies | Jan 24 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | while I was out they started an IV, and gave me ativan and dilantin | Jan 24 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | and ran a CT scan | Jan 24 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | I also went quickly before they figured out they weren't getting paid and got an EEG and an EKG in Fort Wayne | Jan 24 01:47 |
| rnb | at least poor black snipers werent shooting at your car on your way to the hospital | Jan 24 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | and none of it showed any problems with my brain or heart | Jan 24 01:47 |
| schestowitz | rnb: to "complete mission"? | Jan 24 01:48 |
| rnb | i heard they like to just prevent people from getting help | Jan 24 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | so it goes on completely unexplained | Jan 24 01:48 |
| schestowitz | Maybe some pills | Jan 24 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I made sure nobody knew about it that could report it to the DMV | Jan 24 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | or I'd lose my driver's license for a year | Jan 24 01:48 |
| schestowitz | DMV? | Jan 24 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | Department of Motor Vehicles | Jan 24 01:49 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Jan 24 01:49 |
| schestowitz | Did you drive naked too? | Jan 24 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | you seizure, you lose your license for a year | Jan 24 01:49 |
| schestowitz | With only the gun of course | Jan 24 01:49 |
| schestowitz | You keep a gun in your car, you said | Jan 24 01:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: ah, I see... | Jan 24 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | there's one on me when I'm in the car | Jan 24 01:49 |
| schestowitz | I always wonder about that | Jan 24 01:49 |
| schestowitz | If the driver across the road passed out | Jan 24 01:50 |
| schestowitz | Scary | Jan 24 01:50 |
| schestowitz | Or falling asleep (more common) | Jan 24 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I had a guy try to carjack me once in Indianapolis | Jan 24 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't shoot him though | Jan 24 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | I rolled his arm up in my window and hit the accelerator | Jan 24 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | dragged him down a block and rolled down the window and let him go | Jan 24 01:51 |
| schestowitz | That must have left you disappointed then | Jan 24 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | I was laughing my ass off | Jan 24 01:51 |
| rnb | s/laughing my ass off/crying and called my mom/ | Jan 24 01:51 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jan 24 01:51 |
| rnb | :D | Jan 24 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: Easy to say since it hasn't happened to you | Jan 24 01:52 |
| schestowitz | He had no choice | Jan 24 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm sure you don't get to pay $1,000 for an ambulance rid across town | Jan 24 01:52 |
| schestowitz | I don't have health issues (yet) | Jan 24 01:52 |
| rnb | wow, suddenly so sympathetic with victims! | Jan 24 01:52 |
| schestowitz | I don't eat junk food, either | Jan 24 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the system is designed to bankrupt or kill anyone that can't pay them | Jan 24 01:53 |
| rnb | it IS easy to say when it hasnt happened to you! | Jan 24 01:53 |
| rnb | call the waaaaaambulance | Jan 24 01:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: unless they are obedient workers | Jan 24 01:53 |
| schestowitz | Then there's something to squeeze out of them | Jan 24 01:53 |
| rnb | waaaaaah someone tried to rob me! | Jan 24 01:53 |
| schestowitz | ALbeit it's cheaper to deploy abroad now | Jan 24 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: More like "More where that came from, next!" | Jan 24 01:53 |
| schestowitz | rnb: yeah, we should have more guns, eh? | Jan 24 01:54 |
| schestowitz | That carjackers should have had a gun to "defend" him from DaemonFOX | Jan 24 01:54 |
| rnb | it probably wasnt even a carjacker | Jan 24 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Imposter? | Jan 24 01:54 |
| rnb | it was probably just some black guy asking for directions and he panickd | Jan 24 01:54 |
| schestowitz | "It's the government!!" | Jan 24 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | I could have shot through the door if he wouldn't have seen me move to unholster it | Jan 24 01:55 |
| rnb | "hey man, do you know where jones stree--" "OMG I'M BEING CARJACKED!!!!" | Jan 24 01:55 |
| schestowitz | rnb: he never brought up that story before | Jan 24 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | but he didn't see me raise my hand to the window button | Jan 24 01:55 |
| schestowitz | rnb: LOL | Jan 24 01:55 |
| rnb | sounds like BS to me | Jan 24 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | yes, because I know I stick a knife into someones car to ask where Jones Street is | Jan 24 01:56 |
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| MinceR | rnb: it's funnier if you say "it's coming right for us!" | Jan 24 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he bent over to ask for a sharpener | Jan 24 01:56 |
| schestowitz | And he was insistent | Jan 24 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | maybe | Jan 24 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | I'll guess I never will know | Jan 24 01:56 |
| rnb | it was probably a cell phone | Jan 24 01:57 |
| rnb | cops make that mistake all the time | Jan 24 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | with a 6 inch blade? | Jan 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Small and shiny | Jan 24 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | that's one hell of a cell phone | Jan 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Metallic colour | Jan 24 01:57 |
| rnb | exactly! | Jan 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: was the dude Caucasian? | Jan 24 01:58 |
| rnb | and man, you must have a lightning fast window | Jan 24 01:58 |
| rnb | to fly up and trap his arm | Jan 24 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Manual! | Jan 24 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Old Ford | Jan 24 01:58 |
| rnb | heheheheh | Jan 24 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Dodge! | Jan 24 01:58 |
| rnb | the guy just stood there and watched it happen | Jan 24 01:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonBundy! | Jan 24 01:59 |
| schestowitz | "Peg! Peg! You'll never believe what happened to me today" | Jan 24 01:59 |
| schestowitz | "The **t l**** came asking for shoes..... | Jan 24 01:59 |
| rnb | usually car windows go up slowly, for safety reasons | Jan 24 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Actually no, he wasn't | Jan 24 02:00 |
| rnb | exactly so you dont accidentally trap your arm in your window | Jan 24 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: Not in that car | Jan 24 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | I only had it halfway down anyway | Jan 24 02:01 |
| schestowitz | You teaster! | Jan 24 02:01 |
| rnb | that makes sense | Jan 24 02:01 |
| schestowitz | You wanted to be *jacked! | Jan 24 02:01 |
| schestowitz | You put down the windows like a tramp in a min8i-skirt ;-) | Jan 24 02:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX would be like Bundy after he punched the burglar | Jan 24 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | it was 65 degrees or so outside and I had my window open for some night air | Jan 24 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's understandable | Jan 24 02:02 |
| schestowitz | That episode where the burglar takes Al to court and wins | Jan 24 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | seen it | Jan 24 02:02 |
| schestowitz | "I'm going to Disneyland" *Al punches burglar with cast again* | Jan 24 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Jan 24 02:03 |
| rnb | that certainly didnt happen | Jan 24 02:03 |
| schestowitz | That dude could sue you for messing with his hand | Jan 24 02:03 |
| rnb | there was no dude | Jan 24 02:03 |
| schestowitz | He will never fulfil his baseball dreams after getting that hand stuck in there | Jan 24 02:04 |
| rnb | he was the one carjacker who moved at 1/4 the speed of normal humans | Jan 24 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he manage to take your licence plate # | Jan 24 02:04 |
| rnb | always cursing his luck | Jan 24 02:04 |
| schestowitz | He could show up at your door....... with a court order or a shiny cellphone | Jan 24 02:04 |
| rnb | "if i diiiiidnt moooove soooo sloooow .... my caaareeer woooould be taaaaking oooooffff" | Jan 24 02:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX: how do you feel about crushing a poor man's arm? | Jan 24 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | he had about 2 seconds to get his arm out | Jan 24 02:05 |
| schestowitz | And :"laughing all the way" | Jan 24 02:05 |
| schestowitz | [01:51] <DaemonFC> I was laughing my ass off | Jan 24 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | no, I was freaking out at first | Jan 24 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Tell that to the judge, mister! | Jan 24 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | then when I calmed down I was laughing | Jan 24 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | when I got to thinking of it | Jan 24 02:06 |
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| rnb | haha, DaemonFC, one more strike -- you made me realize i agree w/christopher hitchens on yet ANOTHER matter | Jan 24 02:17 |
| rnb | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MNu2GNx-kQ | Jan 24 02:17 |
| rnb | the "white whine" hahah | Jan 24 02:18 |
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| schestowitz | rnb: thanks, I'll watch it in a mo | Jan 24 02:19 |
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| rnb | christopher hitchens makes me mad that we agree on so many things | Jan 24 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: Clear it, pass it, or pay for it :P | Jan 24 02:28 |
| rnb | and i have an affinity for the pleasure he gets in skewering people | Jan 24 02:29 |
| DaemonFC | I just wish they would bring back Audioslave | Jan 24 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | damn these speakers are great B-) | Jan 24 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | I may throw my classical music collection at them later | Jan 24 02:32 |
| schestowitz | rnb: DaemonFOX is against reparations | Jan 24 02:35 |
| schestowitz | He's quite racist | Jan 24 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | give them the 40 acres and a mule, sure | Jan 24 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | give them the state of Alabama | Jan 24 02:39 |
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| DaemonFC | or we could give them Utah | Jan 24 02:39 |
| schestowitz | tessier__: ping? | Jan 24 02:41 |
| rnb | schestowitz: i dont think he knows enough to be a racist | Jan 24 02:41 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not | Jan 24 02:42 |
| rnb | schestowitz: he just likes to repeat stuff he heard on AM radio because of the reaction it gets him | Jan 24 02:42 |
| schestowitz | He's just trying to give you a headcake | Jan 24 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: How do you starve a (censored)? Hide his welfare check under his work boots. | Jan 24 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 24 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | now that's racist | Jan 24 02:42 |
| rnb | whatever it is, it certainly isnt a reasoned opinion | Jan 24 02:44 |
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| tessier__ | pong | Jan 24 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | rnb: I'm just hoping that they make Andre Carson's district bigger in the redistricting | Jan 24 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | he'll lose his seat if they do anything to put more voters in that district | Jan 24 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | that'll get rid of one embarrassment from our congressional delegation at least :P | Jan 24 02:46 |
| tessier__ | DaemonFC: What do you tell a (censored) with two black eyes? | Jan 24 02:46 |
| rnb | ... as heard on AM radio | Jan 24 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | a racist black Muslim that uses all his floor time to make an ass out of himself and embarrass the state of Indiana | Jan 24 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | I want to know how in the hell that was allowed to happen | Jan 24 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's like someone drew a box around that mosque and called it a district | Jan 24 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | tessier__: I wasn't aware you could tell | Jan 24 02:48 |
| tessier__ | DaemonFC: Nothing. You already told 'em twice! | Jan 24 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | that's good :P | Jan 24 02:49 |
| tessier__ | (this joke is not normally applied to a race btw) | Jan 24 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | the way I heard it was you couldn't give them a black eye or a fat lip | Jan 24 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | but 160 year old reparations are welcome | Jan 24 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | I'd call it AFDC/TANF = "You're welcome" | Jan 24 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | that's how the state has become racist against white people and sexist against men | Jan 24 02:52 |
| schestowitz | rnb: Hitchens just makes clashes with religions to sell his books.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAAena_Q4BM&NR=1 | Jan 24 02:52 |
| schestowitz | He is being controversial on purpose | Jan 24 02:52 |
| schestowitz | Kind of like DaemonFOX | Jan 24 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | you can't get any kind of "poverty assistance" unless you're a minority, a woman, and/or have kids | Jan 24 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | the kids part shows how the state punishes responsibility | Jan 24 02:52 |
| tessier__ | As opposed to punishing kids? | Jan 24 02:53 |
| schestowitz | tessier__: we had like 15+ minutes of downtime earlier | Jan 24 02:53 |
| schestowitz | I don't know why, but when I restarted apache it started working | Jan 24 02:53 |
| schestowitz | After I had beeped you | Jan 24 02:53 |
| tessier__ | Weird/ | Jan 24 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | no, they encourage endless reproduction by handing the mom gobs of cash and not making sure she spends it on her kids | Jan 24 02:53 |
| schestowitz | Before that it just gave a page as though the server wasn't there | Jan 24 02:53 |
| tessier__ | That's two or three times now that apache had an issue. | Jan 24 02:53 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure if it was apache | Jan 24 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | plenty of kids of welfare moms that are starving cause there's no food in the house | Jan 24 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | the state is the least efficient way to administer this shit anyway | Jan 24 02:54 |
| tessier__ | What is more efficient? | Jan 24 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | every dollar they take from people's paychecks pays bureaucrats and gets put into no-bid bank contracts to manage the EBT cards | Jan 24 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | so as to where it's now 50 cents on someone's food stamp card | Jan 24 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | you should be able to feed two people for every one person the state gives benefits to | Jan 24 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | the state doesn't even make sure its spent on food | Jan 24 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | it gets spent on soda and non-nutritive junk food and candy | Jan 24 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | all the time | Jan 24 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | the state should ban purchases of soda and candy on food stamp cards ,they don't | Jan 24 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | then you have the separate issue of the fact that they can be spent on TV dinners which are the least efficient way you can buy a meal | Jan 24 02:58 |
| tessier__ | Not sure how easy it would be to ban purchases of soda and candy. | Jan 24 02:58 |
| tessier__ | Would the casheir enforce that? | Jan 24 02:58 |
| tessier__ | cashier | Jan 24 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | just as easy as it is to ban alcohol purchases | Jan 24 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | no, the register won't allow the sale | Jan 24 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | simple as that | Jan 24 02:58 |
| tessier__ | How will the register know? | Jan 24 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | so even through all the layers of bureaucracy and banks "administering" the cards, you can still buy fattening non-nutritive sodas and candy | Jan 24 02:59 |
| tessier__ | Someone will have to go through the whole inventory and classify everything eligible vs non-eligible for food stamps etc? | Jan 24 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's wasy | Jan 24 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | They already do | Jan 24 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | *easy | Jan 24 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | just that candy and sugary sodas are valid purchases because the state doesn't ban them | Jan 24 03:00 |
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| DaemonFC | shit, I saw someone buy an entire ice cream cake on their food stamp card once, tessier__ | Jan 24 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | all kinds of shit that just makes you less and less healthy | Jan 24 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | questionable food value | Jan 24 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | food stamps are corporate welfare | Jan 24 03:01 |
| tessier__ | I agree with you. Although I'm not sure enforcing it will be cheap or easy. | Jan 24 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | tessier__: In larger stores, compliance will be 100% | Jan 24 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | in convenience stores, maybe not | Jan 24 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | I know some convenience stores that sell cigarettes on food stamp cards, tessier__ | Jan 24 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | do you even know how illegal that is? | Jan 24 03:03 |
| tessier__ | So enforce on the convenience stores | Jan 24 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | they ring it up as a deli item | Jan 24 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, that would fall under the jurisdiction of the Indiana Excise Police | Jan 24 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | instead, they're out there trying to make the VFW destroy the wine bottles put up in remembrance of dead soldiers | Jan 24 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | that's sure a worthy cause isn't it? | Jan 24 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, there's real lawbreakers out there going unchecked while the police are harassing innocent people on a technicality | Jan 24 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | food stamp program needs reformed, and the contract to manage the funds on peoples cards needs to be put up for bid | Jan 24 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | the penalties for selling unapproved items should be tripled | Jan 24 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | food with no dietary value needs to be put on the unapproved list | Jan 24 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | also, for people on more than one program, increases in one benefit should automatically affect the others, without requiring the person to fill out several identical sets of "change of income" papers | Jan 24 03:09 |
| tessier__ | I'm sure the VFW thing represents only a very small fraction of the police resources. It isn't an either-or thing. | Jan 24 03:09 |
| tessier__ | But the poor are such an easy target. | Jan 24 03:10 |
| tessier__ | While there are problems to be solved there I find other issues more interesting. | Jan 24 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | tessier__: The people that really need the help are always the ones singled out for state victimization | Jan 24 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | the cheaters always get away with it | Jan 24 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | My uncle was hit by a car and can only walk short distances | Jan 24 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | he's on morphine for the pain | Jan 24 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | Medicare is giving fat women these electric scooters right and left | Jan 24 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | they stuck him with a wheelchair | Jan 24 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | told him to push himself around everywhere | Jan 24 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | now is that fair? | Jan 24 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | the wheelchair ended up in the closet and he hardly ever even gets to leave his apartment | Jan 24 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | but those people which gorge themselves to being disabled get electric scooters from Medicare | Jan 24 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | do you see what's wrong with this picture? | Jan 24 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | the government only ever audits and abuses the people that aren't trying to cheat the system for anything | Jan 24 03:15 |
| tessier__ | Sounds like your uncle needs to gain some weight. | Jan 24 03:15 |
| tessier__ | Problem solved. | Jan 24 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | he already has from not being able to go anywhere except the bathroom and the kitchen | Jan 24 03:15 |
| tessier__ | Then he'll have his fatso wheels soon right? | Jan 24 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | and the bitch that ran over him got out of paying him anything | Jan 24 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | because she knows the judge | Jan 24 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | the system is just crooked from end to end | Jan 24 03:16 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the judge likes big women | Jan 24 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | Bad Santa going on in the judge's chambers? | Jan 24 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 24 03:22 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWYXWfLsQ6g&NR=1&feature=fvwp | Jan 24 03:23 |
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| DaemonFC | I'd rather them just toss everything personally | Jan 24 03:27 |
| schestowitz | Fox is ill...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5B3CgN-s2s&feature=related | Jan 24 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | our courthouse changes the lights on the clocks to green and red, that's about it | Jan 24 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | no nativity scenes or anything like that | Jan 24 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: My favorite thing regarding the UK and the bus system was when that guy got on the bus with his girlfriend on a leash | Jan 24 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | she's receiving some kind of mental disability income from your government | Jan 24 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | and she claims she is her boyfriend's "pet" | Jan 24 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | the driver told them to get off because the leash was a safety hazard | Jan 24 03:31 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFOX: your television is hosted by nutters with agenda :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVOSC82tMsQ&feature=related | Jan 24 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://i38.tinypic.com/23hvo6w.jpg | Jan 24 03:49 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: he misses the villain | Jan 24 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://bit.ly/644r1k | Jan 24 04:04 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.lala.com/#album/360569445171208066 | Jan 24 04:06 |
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| DaemonFC | I wonder how long before Apple ruins lala | Jan 24 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | any guesses? | Jan 24 04:14 |
| schestowitz | Manana? | Jan 24 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhhm | Jan 24 04:20 |
| schestowitz | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33857 | Jan 24 04:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 24 04:22 |
| schestowitz | Been waiting for donkeys years for this ... its just un-hurd of! | Jan 24 04:22 |
| schestowitz | In the mean time I'm using Firefox's spell checker with this textarea page. | Jan 24 04:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 24 04:22 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bug 33857 - [PATCH] Automated spellchecking reqested in kate etc. .::. Size~: 56.93 KB | Jan 24 04:22 |
| schestowitz | Same here | Jan 24 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I use gedit in Windows mostly because it hooks into aspell | Jan 24 04:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.aravind.name/hallelujah-inline-spell-checking-added-kate | Jan 24 04:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Hallelujah! In-line spell checking added to Kate | Aravind .::. Size~: 27.12 KB | Jan 24 04:24 |
| schestowitz | I presume it comes with KDE 4.4....... | Jan 24 04:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: inline? | Jan 24 04:25 |
| schestowitz | http://kate-editor.org/node/64 | Jan 24 04:25 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Kate developer sprint | Kate .::. Size~: 16.03 KB | Jan 24 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Jan 24 04:25 |
| schestowitz | See commetns | Jan 24 04:26 |
| schestowitz | I've been needing it for YEARS | Jan 24 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | gedit has had it for a while | Jan 24 04:26 |
| schestowitz | http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/430767-inline-spell-check.html | Jan 24 04:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: inline spell check - openSUSE Forums .::. Size~: 50.58 KB | Jan 24 04:27 |
| schestowitz | "Kate has spell checking, realy nice indeed if you use it for php coding....." | Jan 24 04:27 |
| schestowitz | " Kate has spell checking but not inline spell checking which I thought was the point of the enquiry. " | Jan 24 04:27 |
| schestowitz | Will it be in 4.4.? | Jan 24 04:27 |
| schestowitz | http://dhaumann.blogspot.com/2009/07/followup-on-kates-on-fly-spellchecking.html http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33857 | Jan 24 04:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: dhaumann: Followup on Kate's on-the-fly spellchecking .::. Size~: 93.43 KB | Jan 24 04:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bug 33857 - [PATCH] Automated spellchecking reqested in kate etc. .::. Size~: 56.93 KB | Jan 24 04:28 |
| schestowitz | Same with lyx | Jan 24 04:28 |
| schestowitz | I hate it when I have to go word by word | Jan 24 04:28 |
| schestowitz | The funny thing is, knode has had inline spellchecking for AGES | Jan 24 04:30 |
| schestowitz | And it's not an editor | Jan 24 04:30 |
| schestowitz | It's more like a mail client | Jan 24 04:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.aravind.name/inline-spell-checking-may-finally-be-implemented-kate-and-kile | Jan 24 04:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Inline Spell Checking May Finally be Implemented in Kate (and Kile) | Aravind .::. Size~: 27.49 KB | Jan 24 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | why does it take them so long to implement basic things that everyone else has had for years? | Jan 24 04:34 |
| schestowitz | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kwrite-devel&m=116142529523345&w=2 | Jan 24 04:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 24 04:34 |
| schestowitz | It would be very nice to have automatic / inline / on the fly spell check in \ | Jan 24 04:34 |
| schestowitz | katepart. Some applications such as Kile are strongly based on Katepart and would \ | Jan 24 04:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: '[Bug 136046] New: Implement auto / inline / on the fly spell check' - MARC .::. Size~: 3.21 KB | Jan 24 04:34 |
| schestowitz | greatly benefit from it. | Jan 24 04:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 24 04:34 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't say if he finished implementing it | Jan 24 04:34 |
| schestowitz | any good editor other than gedit that does this? | Jan 24 04:35 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to use knode for this.. | Jan 24 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | "Religion is not a leap of faith, it's high functioning autism" | Jan 24 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jan 24 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Not sure | Jan 24 04:36 |
| schestowitz | E: Package kedit has no installation candidate | Jan 24 04:36 |
| schestowitz | Hmm.. deprecated | Jan 24 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | if you have other GTK+ stuff installed, it's not like gedit would bring in tons of crap with it | Jan 24 04:37 |
| schestowitz | I'll try koffice | Jan 24 04:37 |
| schestowitz | kword does inline spellchecking | Jan 24 04:39 |
| schestowitz | I'm using it now | Jan 24 04:39 |
| schestowitz | might give it a go, it's light | Jan 24 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | "What is your relationship status? Single and loving it / Single and hating it / Married /Divorced / Widowed /I plea the fifth!" "I don't think that Classmates.com realizes that the fifth amendment is not for 'I don't wanna talk about it', it's to protect you from self-incrimination. As in "I'm dating a child" | Jan 24 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 24 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | or possibly "I'm a Mormon and have taken 14 children as my wives" | Jan 24 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | that part was my idea | Jan 24 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 24 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | at least the government didn't firebomb the Mormon compound in Texas | Jan 24 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder why | Jan 24 04:47 |
| schestowitz | gn | Jan 24 04:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wtk1 Where did retweeting come from? how that'd work in live conversations? //but this *is* a feature of real conv "so-and-so said yadda" | Jan 24 05:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@0r3z do you really think I take anything Krauthammer says seriously? He's a twit | Jan 24 05:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @ebertchicago Every ordinary American, right or left, is betrayed by the court's senseless decision //not true till a celebrity says it? | Jan 24 05:32 | |
| DaemonFC | I was amused to read a portion of the doctors notes from Cornerstone. "will release patient when he stabilizes", Nina and I were taking turns making jokes about that. No insurance means you've "stabilized" in 72 hours. With insurance means you've "stabilized" when it won't pay them more money. If insurance agrees to pay more or they find out you have another insurance, "patient had a relapse, attacked an orderly". | Jan 24 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | from an email to my dad | Jan 24 05:55 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/HaireoftheDog/archives/2010/01/23/and-remember-spay-and-neuter-your-lieutenant-governors | Jan 24 07:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: This is Bob Barker, reminding you to spay and neuter your lieutenant governors | Haire of the Dog | Charleston City Paper .::. Size~: 72.81 KB | Jan 24 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | that guy needs to be shot | Jan 24 07:50 |
| DaemonFC | I can't even believe someone would say that | Jan 24 07:51 |
| DaemonFC | "Starve the poor people to death so they won't reproduce" | Jan 24 07:51 |
| DaemonFC | does he even know how cheap a school lunch is for them to make? | Jan 24 07:52 |
| DaemonFC | it may be the only decent thing the kid has to eat that day | Jan 24 07:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's not the kid's fault his mother might be a crack whore who sold all the food stamps | Jan 24 07:52 |
| DaemonFC | put her in jail, feed the kid, case closed | Jan 24 07:52 |
| DaemonFC | the state leaves the kids with trash parents where they get sexually assaulted, nothing to eat, and exposed to drugs and violent criminals | Jan 24 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | and just does nothing | Jan 24 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | but if you spank your kid, watch out, the state swoops right in faster than you can say "foster home" | Jan 24 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | I need to get a bumper sticker that says "Have you strangled a bureaucrat today?" | Jan 24 07:56 |
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| ReverseGTR | hello? | Jan 24 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | hola senor | Jan 24 08:03 |
| ReverseGTR | como esta? | Jan 24 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | no habla espanol :( | Jan 24 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 24 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | I'm wicked, I know | Jan 24 08:03 |
| ReverseGTR | hahaha | Jan 24 08:04 |
| ReverseGTR | originally I came onto IRC to see if any of the Palm channels are active, but alas they're like ghost towns | Jan 24 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | does anyone still own one of those? | Jan 24 08:05 |
| ReverseGTR | I do :-/ | Jan 24 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | that's awfully 2000 | Jan 24 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | errrr, retro | Jan 24 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 24 08:05 |
| ReverseGTR | well I'de rather not bend over and take it up the bum for a dataplan for a new Smartphone from Verizon | Jan 24 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | I have a Blackberry | Jan 24 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | and plenty of apps for it | Jan 24 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 24 08:06 |
| ReverseGTR | I was thinking about getting a Palm Treo Pro, I know it has the OS of Little Satan on it but I can't find phones that are a better deal unlocked with Wifi and GPS | Jan 24 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | I'd spring for the Blackberry | Jan 24 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | avoid Windows Mobile | Jan 24 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | I'm biased obviously | Jan 24 08:07 |
| ReverseGTR | but the problem is Palm dumped support for the Treo Pro so no official Winmo 6.5.1 in the foreseeable future and I am trying to see if there are any stable custom ROMs. I also read XDA is working on porting Android to it | Jan 24 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, mine is locked, but it's not that expensive (as these things go anyway) | Jan 24 08:07 |
| ReverseGTR | a Palm Treo Pro with Android would be a nice thought, even though I am sure it would render most of the handy hotkeys useless | Jan 24 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | I've only used Windows Mobile on someone elses phone | Jan 24 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | didn't really impress me | Jan 24 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | seems like they're still a few years behind the Blackberry | Jan 24 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | iPhone is expensive and unreliable | Jan 24 08:09 |
| ReverseGTR | I was pretty impressed with how well the Samsung Omnia takes to custom ROMs as the person showed me it was flashed from 6.1 to 6.5 with the Omnia 2 virtual keyboard, Skyfire and a DOS emulator | Jan 24 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | a DOS emulator? | Jan 24 08:10 |
| ReverseGTR | the problem is Blackberry fell for the iPhone antics with the Storm rather then working on its strengths more | Jan 24 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | why the hell would you want that? | Jan 24 08:10 |
| ReverseGTR | x86 DOS emulator | Jan 24 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | DOS is dead | Jan 24 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | as of 1999 | Jan 24 08:10 |
| ReverseGTR | for basic apps, and the fact it can boot Windows 95, | Jan 24 08:10 |
| ReverseGTR | lol, maybe but there are still some nostalgia apps such as Wacky Racer and Correl Painter | Jan 24 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 95 came with its own version of DOS | Jan 24 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | DOS 7.0 | Jan 24 08:11 |
| ReverseGTR | but you can still install it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYqWE2IH_ic | Jan 24 08:12 |
| ReverseGTR | not that I am pro-Windows but the Omnia's hardware and some of the support Winmo grants it is yet to be matched. If only Maemo expanded to more hardware or OpenMoko took off | Jan 24 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | DOS........ | Jan 24 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | 1979 called.... | Jan 24 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | they want your phone | Jan 24 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 24 08:16 |
| ReverseGTR | you have to hand it to M$ they do have a healthy head start on hardware support and granting even the lowliest developers access to individual system files so apps can access all firmware | Jan 24 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | they shovel money into subsidizing the shit that runs their shit | Jan 24 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | should be illegal | Jan 24 08:16 |
| ReverseGTR | lol, but the iPhone is Unix with a lot of candy, unicorns and pixie dust sprinkled on it | Jan 24 08:16 |
| ReverseGTR | Unix, you know how old that is | Jan 24 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | if they ever get enough users, they'll jack up the prices | Jan 24 08:16 |
| ReverseGTR | I can imagine Google doing that with Android too | Jan 24 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft "predicted" Linux phones dying off | Jan 24 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | I kind of doubt it | Jan 24 08:17 |
| ReverseGTR | btw don't you find it kind of funny you can download a "simulator" of Access's elusive Palm OS6 Cobalt but there have been no ROMs leaked? http://simulator-palm-os-cobalt.en.softonic.com/palm | Jan 24 08:17 |
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| DaemonFC | most decent manufacturers know that Microsoft subsidies are temporary and the hell of dealing with them later is not worth it | Jan 24 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | it probably uses some kind of DRM to make sure the ROM you're loading is one they authorized | Jan 24 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | typical | Jan 24 08:18 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: true, but there hasn't been as healthy competition to make alternative mobile OS that grant developers as much ability to utilize all facets of the OS while still having support for as many hardware configurations | Jan 24 08:19 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: the good part is at least OSX mobile and WebOS have OpenGL working for it now along with GPS | Jan 24 08:20 |
| ReverseGTR | at least for the hardware its sold on | Jan 24 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | what's the malware prevalence on Windows Mobile? | Jan 24 08:22 |
| ReverseGTR | I haven't heard of any strangely enough. But we both know M$ has ugly licensing and other business practices regarding distributing its OS as well as hardly ever utilizing open standards to create SDKs for them. However, just discard the legal mess and you'll find that Windows Mobile is actually very open to software developers. (Some think even too much) | Jan 24 08:24 |
| ReverseGTR | Right now you have the iPhone, Andoid and WebOS touting a tiered development system where most 3rd party developers having to run their apps through a hypervisor as some kind of completely positive innovation | Jan 24 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | I'm certain their SDK has leaked | Jan 24 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | does Microsoft have to sign applications? | Jan 24 08:26 |
| ReverseGTR | as far as I know they don't | Jan 24 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | then it is a small wonder there's no malware | Jan 24 08:26 |
| ReverseGTR | That may change with Winmo 7 though | Jan 24 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, lets them be sure to really fuck over developers | Jan 24 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | extract all the cash they can | Jan 24 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | makes app prices go up for you | Jan 24 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | you shout at those "greedy developers" | Jan 24 08:27 |
| ReverseGTR | If those folks really cared about creating an OS that sticks it to M$'s Winmo while rivaling it when it comes to being as open to developers to poke and prod they ought to have supported Openmoko or some other mobile Linux distro. I don't mean overburdening GUIs that have a hypervisor between it and the kernel either | Jan 24 08:27 |
| ReverseGTR | The problem with an OS like that though is it wouldn't give much of an ability for cellphone carriers to rape you and for whoever developed the OS to cash in as much as possible on applications that come out. | Jan 24 08:31 |
| ReverseGTR | For example how the emperor of iTunes and AT&T work together on which apps may pass and don't tell me it can't happen to WebOS either. At least Android has an option to do direct installs without their app store | Jan 24 08:34 |
| ReverseGTR | How come Android doesn't support the latest OGG standard?http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1581 | Jan 24 08:40 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: if you want to chat about something else we can | Jan 24 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | just getting late here | Jan 24 08:45 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: its late for me too, but I'm anxious so I can't sleep and its a weekend. | Jan 24 08:45 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: I admit maybe I am wrong and Android as well as WebOS's approach to building their OS a lot like the iPhone just makes it easier for developers to create apps in general but they won't follow down the same path as Apple | Jan 24 08:47 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: I'm just someone who's pissed about licensing issues destroying the chance of ever updating my Treo to Palm OS6 :P | Jan 24 08:47 |
| Omar87 | Greetings all. | Jan 24 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | ReverseGTR: There's several ways to get Ogg to play on the Blackberry | Jan 24 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | natively it supports MPEG formats | Jan 24 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | either way they're both decoded by software, it does not have a native decoder chip | Jan 24 08:50 |
| DaemonFC | so neither one affects battery life much more than the other | Jan 24 08:50 |
| DaemonFC | ReverseGTR: What Google has done that concerns me is not support Ogg in Youtube | Jan 24 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | which there is simply no reason not to | Jan 24 08:51 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: yea I was looking at that article | Jan 24 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | a company of Google's size could have supported both, maybe they still will | Jan 24 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | but their lack of comment on the issue is unnerving | Jan 24 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, I understand that they don't expect Apple to support Ogg | Jan 24 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | but Firefox and Opera will not support h.264 | Jan 24 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | so they will have to support both eventually | Jan 24 08:53 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: yea but this is the same company that promised to fully support open source efforts while breaking the GNU without breaking a sweat | Jan 24 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | Google is open source when it suits them | Jan 24 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | Chromium doesn't support h.264 | Jan 24 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | so if you build it yourself it won't work with Youtube | Jan 24 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | even though Chrome will | Jan 24 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | so eventually, if all HTML5 sites use h.264 for video, then having Chromium won't do you any good anyway | Jan 24 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | this means that SRWare Iron also is no good | Jan 24 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | Google's Chromium project reminds me a lot of Apple's Darwin OS | Jan 24 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's open source but useless to anyone but them | Jan 24 08:56 |
| *ReverseGTR knods | Jan 24 08:56 | |
| DaemonFC | and if you make something of it yourself, it's not complete | Jan 24 08:56 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: exactly, which is what I see being applied to the mobile front as well | Jan 24 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | there was a project at one time called OpenDarwin, it collapsed | Jan 24 08:56 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: unfortunately all major parties are playing along | Jan 24 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | nobody wants to build OS X for free and still not get to use OS X | Jan 24 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | Google's going for PR open source | Jan 24 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | not community project open source | Jan 24 08:57 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: well its interesting that Apple has never went directly after OSx86 developers | Jan 24 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh, Firefox is open source? So are we! Hop onboard!" | Jan 24 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | In what way? Lawsuit? | Jan 24 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | 1. There's not enough OSX86 users to really have cost them any business | Jan 24 08:58 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: kind of reminds me of one of the BSD songs slamming Linux and Solaris for being too clogged with closed source components and bogged down by legal issues because of it | Jan 24 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | 2. They don't do anything except provide patches to Darwin, which is legal | Jan 24 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | and documentation on how to apply them and get them running | Jan 24 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | also not illegal | Jan 24 08:58 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: however if anyone dares make a profit off of it | Jan 24 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | the only part of the process that you could be sued for is when you personally modify the OS and install it on a PC | Jan 24 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | and there's no good way to prove it or go after individual PC users | Jan 24 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | so Apple does the next best thing | Jan 24 08:59 |
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| DaemonFC | breaks your OS X if you use their kernel upgrades | Jan 24 09:00 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: thats why all versions of OSx86 forbid you from doing Software Upgrades | Jan 24 09:00 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: I wonder what would happen if someone sets up a 3rd Party repo for updates then? | Jan 24 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | the updates for some of them come as standalone DMG packages | Jan 24 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | I got it up and running once | Jan 24 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | on my Intel PC | Jan 24 09:02 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: that is a problem, but that would just mean the 3rd party repo will just hold off on that until its cracked | Jan 24 09:02 |
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| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: btw did you read the article on how Intel built into its compiler, which many use for getting their software to communicate in basic, a handler in which if it detects the name of the CPU as one which isn't Intel it deliberately cripples it?http://www.osnews.com/story/22683/Intel_Forced_to_Remove_Cripple_AMD_Function_from_Compiler_ | Jan 24 09:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Intel Forced to Remove "Cripple AMD" Function from Compiler? .::. Size~: 23.06 KB | Jan 24 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jan 24 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | not surprising | Jan 24 09:06 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: whats safe from not being manipulated from having its potential fully achievable these days? | Jan 24 09:07 |
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| DaemonFC | ReverseGTR: I know it's possible to change your CPU identifier at least until you reboot | Jan 24 09:11 |
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| DaemonFC | it would be funny if someone made a program that ran at every start up that changed AuthenticAMD to GenuineIntel | Jan 24 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | all of a sudden everything runs faster | Jan 24 09:12 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: yea, Intel is now going to release an update that removes that, at least for Europe but the fact is the damage has already been done | Jan 24 09:12 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: I bet most large firms won't be using update compilers yet considering they're typically built into the SDK and if the SDK never updates it | Jan 24 09:13 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: that would be a nice app, but you would have to release it for every popular OS then that runs on x86 | Jan 24 09:14 |
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| DaemonFC | a patch for the Linux kernel maybe? | Jan 24 09:22 |
| DaemonFC | as a compile-time option | Jan 24 09:22 |
| DaemonFC | there's probably a few things on Linux that used icc | Jan 24 09:22 |
| DaemonFC | I assume that sabotages the programs it compiles | Jan 24 09:23 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: at the time in which a new kernel revision can role out for Linux is fast and it would also affect all apps within the OS that rely on it when it comes to accessing it through the library | Jan 24 09:24 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: as apposed to Windows and the way Mac OSX have done core revisions | Jan 24 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | Windows has built in optimizations for Intel and AMD | Jan 24 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | the programs you run may not though | Jan 24 09:25 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: ok, I guess it can be rectified in say Fedora if all compiling components of apps were updated and released on YUM | Jan 24 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | I would think the only apps affected by icc might be commercial stuff | Jan 24 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt anything in your repository was | Jan 24 09:27 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: it entirely depends, what about those who used the Nvidia tarball drivers? | Jan 24 09:27 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: yea, I'm getting tired | Jan 24 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | it probably really only affects Windows users | Jan 24 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | every Mac uses Intel, and 99%+ of Linux programs are compiled with gcc | Jan 24 09:32 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: true | Jan 24 09:32 |
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| DaemonFC | watching Clerks | Jan 24 09:50 |
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| ReverseGTR | Shark in the salsa, we're gonna need a bigger boat :) | Jan 24 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | "You'll sleep with anything!" "Animal, Vegetable, or Mineral" "Vegetable being like, a paraplegic?" "Yeah, they put up the least resistance" | Jan 24 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | arrrgh | Jan 24 10:01 |
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| schestowitz | [07:51] <DaemonFC> I can't even believe someone would say that | Jan 24 10:15 |
| schestowitz | [07:51] <DaemonFC> "Starve the poor people to death so they won't reproduce" | Jan 24 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Poverty is not genetic | Jan 24 10:16 |
| schestowitz | And people's lavish lifesyle is /dependent/ on poor impoverish people (slavery or wage slavery) | Jan 24 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | they should punish the parents that pull that shit, not "starve the kids" | Jan 24 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | well, aside from the fact that parents like that are usually in jail anyway | Jan 24 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | drugs and the like | Jan 24 10:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] "He [@BillGates] is divisive. He is manipulative. He is a user. He has taken much from me and the industry." ~Gary Kildall | Jan 24 10:27 | |
| Omar87 | Greetings all. | Jan 24 10:30 |
| cubezzz | yes I know a bit about Kildall | Jan 24 10:30 |
| cubezzz | he still became a rich guy though | Jan 24 10:30 |
| cubezzz | he was not a starving artist :) | Jan 24 10:30 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: you mean Gates? | Jan 24 10:31 |
| cubezzz | I'm talking about Kildall | Jan 24 10:31 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: Oh, yeah. I see. | Jan 24 10:31 |
| cubezzz | but I can't argue with his quote | Jan 24 10:32 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: I just wanted to refresh Gate's old memory, just in case he'd forgotten. | Jan 24 10:32 |
| cubezzz | I don't understand how people can like Gates | Jan 24 10:33 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: that's simple. Ya know, there's this old work that spells "M.O.N.E.Y". | Jan 24 10:34 |
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| cubezzz | he must have a lot of enemies though | Jan 24 10:34 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: I swear to God, there are friends of mine who LOVE Gates and Ballmer for the mere reason that "'COZ THEY GOT LOOT!! :D".. | Jan 24 10:35 |
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| cubezzz | unless they made money from Microsoft stock, that makes no sense | Jan 24 10:36 |
| cubezzz | It's like those Hale-Bop cultists "Please brain-wash me!" | Jan 24 10:36 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: Exactly! I really don't see how this makes sense either! :-) | Jan 24 10:37 |
| cubezzz | I always felt a vague unease about Microsoft a few years after I started using PCs | Jan 24 10:37 |
| cubezzz | the worst comment I heard was from a store: "I use Microsoft everything to make sure everything is compatible" | Jan 24 10:38 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: Even Shuttleworth is a rich Guy, even Bob Young and Marc Ewing are rich. Why Ballmer and Gates? | Jan 24 10:38 |
| cubezzz | but they are ultra-rich | Jan 24 10:39 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: true. | Jan 24 10:39 |
| cubezzz | probably Linus is a millionaire too? | Jan 24 10:39 |
| Omar87 | Plus the fact that many [ignorant] people view Microsoft as Paradice for no damn real reason whatsoever. | Jan 24 10:40 |
| Omar87 | Maybe. | Jan 24 10:40 |
| Omar87 | There are people I know personally who deslike "Free" just because it's "Free", can you imagine that? | Jan 24 10:41 |
| cubezzz | I started disliking Microsoft around 1988 | Jan 24 10:41 |
| cubezzz | yeah they are really missing the point | Jan 24 10:41 |
| cubezzz | I'm really happy what I was able to do with fc1 | Jan 24 10:42 |
| Omar87 | And even if you explain to them what "Free" really means, they only get more disgusted. | Jan 24 10:42 |
| cubezzz | why more disgusted? Are they Microsoft programmers? :) | Jan 24 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | then it goes from worthless to worthless and from a religious movement | Jan 24 10:43 |
| cubezzz | do they feel threatened? | Jan 24 10:43 |
| cubezzz | but there is no religious movement, just money | Jan 24 10:44 |
| cubezzz | only FOSS goes beyond money | Jan 24 10:44 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: True. They are "Microsoft kool-aid junkies", to sound more accurate. | Jan 24 10:44 |
| cubezzz | anyway, I make money from FOSS, so even that argument goes out the window | Jan 24 10:44 |
| Omar87 | I really feel deeply sorry for those who waste their talents, money and time on that dirty scam called "ImaginCup". | Jan 24 10:46 |
| cubezzz | ImaginCup? | Jan 24 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.conservapedia.com/Wikipedia | Jan 24 10:47 |
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| DaemonFC | rofl | Jan 24 10:47 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: Yes, or more accurately "ImaginCuff". | Jan 24 10:48 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz: It's a yearly Microsoft competition to lure idiots into selling their talents and ideas to Ballmer. | Jan 24 10:49 |
| cubezzz | blagh | Jan 24 10:49 |
| cubezzz | Just yesterday I switched the last computer in the office to Fedora 12 from XP | Jan 24 10:51 |
| cubezzz | runs a lot better too | Jan 24 10:51 |
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| cubezzz | uptime on the zaurus is 63 days now | Jan 24 10:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Clinton on Freedom and What it Means to #FreeSoftware http://katonda.com/blog/595/will-clinton-free-world-software-dictatorship | Jan 24 10:59 | |
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| cubezzz | people have to choose freedom | Jan 24 11:00 |
| schestowitz | ImaginCup is PR nonsense | Jan 24 11:01 |
| cubezzz | it's not enough to just have freedom, you have to reach out and grab it | Jan 24 11:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tosses some dollars for kids to think Microsoft does something good | Jan 24 11:01 |
| schestowitz | LOL @ "ImaginCuff" | Jan 24 11:01 |
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| cubezzz | ImaginJail | Jan 24 11:02 |
| cubezzz | yeah I don't see H Clinton talking about Linux :) | Jan 24 11:04 |
| cubezzz | freedom of expression yes, Linux no | Jan 24 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | nope, just about allowing tons of illegal Haitian immigrants in | Jan 24 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | exempting them from US laws | Jan 24 11:04 |
| cubezzz | Canada is accepting some too DaemonFC | Jan 24 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | by tons, I mean unlimited of course | Jan 24 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Canada will also get rid of them | Jan 24 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | Canada isn't out of Canada's fucking mind | Jan 24 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 24 11:05 |
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| DaemonFC | 100,000 less than what Wikipedia says | Jan 24 11:06 |
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| Omar87 | Has anyone tried Vimeo? | Jan 24 11:09 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz: So 9.9 million now | Jan 24 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | roughly | Jan 24 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | did they ever determine if it was 100k or 200k casualties? | Jan 24 11:16 |
| cubezzz | 111,000 confirmed deaths | Jan 24 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | means more are probably missing | Jan 24 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | there always are in disasters of this scale | Jan 24 11:17 |
| oiaohm | I guess you are talking about haiti (ok spelt wrong). In a disaster that size most likely not everyone who is dead will be found either. | Jan 24 11:19 |
| oiaohm | Ie once machines move in to clean up mess. | Jan 24 11:20 |
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| DaemonFC | Apparently Opera on Linux can play HTML 5 video on Youtube | Jan 24 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | if you have the gstreamer codecs installed | Jan 24 11:36 |
| Ender2070 | ahh | Jan 24 11:36 |
| Ender2070 | opera sucks though | Jan 24 11:36 |
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| DaemonFC | Opera doesn't suck | Jan 24 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | 10.5 is looking to blow Firefox totally away in rendering performance | Jan 24 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's already more standards-compliant | Jan 24 11:39 |
| ThistleWeb | opera is a decent browser, it's all personal taste | Jan 24 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | the only real crimp in it is it's not open source | Jan 24 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | it is a nifty program though :) | Jan 24 11:39 |
| ThistleWeb | I find the addons leave a lot to be desired, and yeah, it's closed source | Jan 24 11:39 |
| MinceR | it also lacks NoScript | Jan 24 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: And tinfoil hats | Jan 24 11:40 |
| MinceR | tinfoil hats don't need to be in the browser | Jan 24 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | what do you care? There's like almost never a vulnerability found in Opera | Jan 24 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | the ones that are are almost never very serious | Jan 24 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | and they get patched quickly enough | Jan 24 11:40 |
| MinceR | i care because pages are bloated beyond recognition and no matter how efficient your JS engine is, it will waste a lot of CPU | Jan 24 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I hate to break it to you, but bloating of the javascript engine, both CPU usage and memory footprint, is how pretty much all browsers are running the scripts faster | Jan 24 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | including Firefox | Jan 24 11:41 |
| Ender2070 | opera isn't open source, free software or any sort of moral code | Jan 24 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | it kind of a have your cake or eat it type of a deal | Jan 24 11:42 |
| oiaohm | Some of the performance is coming from less memory usage DaemonFC | Jan 24 11:42 |
| Ender2070 | they are growing so irrelevant they are making their browser do everything except browse the web well | Jan 24 11:42 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: it complies and its browser is optimized for all WC3 approved standards | Jan 24 11:42 |
| oiaohm | Leaking memory is not what you call helpful to performance DaemonFC | Jan 24 11:42 |
| Ender2070 | ReverseGTR - show me the source code and ill try it out | Jan 24 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Opera has never extended anything by themselves | Jan 24 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's not putting out proprietary web pages that only it can read | Jan 24 11:43 |
| Ender2070 | doesnt matter | Jan 24 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | so why do you care? | Jan 24 11:43 |
| Ender2070 | it _could_ be spying on you, or whatever else | Jan 24 11:43 |
| ReverseGTR | DaemonFC: nor going out of their way to prevent codecs from being built into it | Jan 24 11:43 |
| Ender2070 | it _could_ be pulling a digsby, using idle cpu cycles to crunch numbers for their own profit | Jan 24 11:44 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: Google's Chrome spies on you, thats a fact | Jan 24 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | ReverseGTR: It's going to have built-in support for Theora and Vorbis | Jan 24 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | that's definitely coming | Jan 24 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | so why bag on something that is doing the right thing in so many ways? | Jan 24 11:44 |
| Ender2070 | ReverseGTR - at least you can remove it, and its not in chromium | Jan 24 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | that's needed as a counterbalance to those who won't | Jan 24 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: Neither is the MPEG-4 support | Jan 24 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | in Chromium I mean | Jan 24 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | I just see this HTML 5 <video> deal as a huge format war on the horizon | Jan 24 11:46 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: so you advocate open source even if it means it doesn't fully comply with the GPL it utilizes vs. those that are closed but don't take from anyone who don't try to warp standards? | Jan 24 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | and Google is providing that damned Chrome Frame strap-on to MSIE | Jan 24 11:46 |
| Ender2070 | ReverseGTR - those are serious allegations | Jan 24 11:46 |
| Ender2070 | ReverseGTR - take your GPL violation complaints to the SFLC | Jan 24 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | Chromium is BSD licensed, it's not surprising | Jan 24 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's PR open source after all | Jan 24 11:47 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: they hold about as much malice as you have for patent based software in general | Jan 24 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | just like Apple Darwin | Jan 24 11:47 |
| Ender2070 | patents are bullshit | Jan 24 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | only useful to Google, only maintainable by Google | Jan 24 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | might as well not even be open sourced | Jan 24 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | there's very few people that could be expected to maintain a permanent fork of Chromium if they don't like what Google is doing | Jan 24 11:48 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/06/07/2318210/Google-Chromes-Inclusion-of-FFMpeg-vs-the-LGPL | Jan 24 11:48 |
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| DaemonFC | so it is FOSS, but it violates the spirit of FOSS at the same time | Jan 24 11:48 |
| Ender2070 | first | Jan 24 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | it is PR FOSS | Jan 24 11:48 |
| Ender2070 | LGPL != GPL | Jan 24 11:48 |
| oiaohm | First thing you have to remember is google developers never had the idea that chrome would last. | Jan 24 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | then why make it? | Jan 24 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | I say it's a ploy to victimize the web | Jan 24 11:49 |
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| DaemonFC | crap it up with even more proprietary formats | Jan 24 11:49 |
| Ender2070 | second | Jan 24 11:49 |
| Ender2070 | the article you reference mentions a ms mvp | Jan 24 11:50 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: it still made in good faith in that the original developers get properly recognized and compensated from a given business that uses it | Jan 24 11:50 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i hate to break it to you, but not running a script will _always_ be faster than running it | Jan 24 11:50 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: GPL is FOSS, therefore it can be changed to suite individual developers | Jan 24 11:50 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox hasn't done anything controversial enough to warrant a fork, as far as I'm aware | Jan 24 11:50 |
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| oiaohm | Remember firefox is a fork itself. | Jan 24 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | well, there's the fact that the artwork and name is copyrighted, which is not an issue | Jan 24 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | using generic artwork and calling it something else won't affect the usefulness of the code | Jan 24 11:51 |
| oiaohm | And there is the debian fork of firefox | Jan 24 11:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF Explains How #FreeSoftware Helps #Haiti http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/free-software-haiti-aid | Jan 24 11:51 | |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Not really a fork | Jan 24 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | just different artwork and name | Jan 24 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | it's still basically Firefox | Jan 24 11:52 |
| oiaohm | And a few different patchs | Jan 24 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | they've made changes that ended up upstream in Firefox | Jan 24 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Its a small ammont of forking. | Jan 24 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | so it's not like a "fuck you, we're leaving" fork | Jan 24 11:52 |
| Ender2070 | ReverseGTR - hardly something that would make me run "opera" regardless | Jan 24 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Not all forks are like that DaemonFC | Jan 24 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Some grow apart over time. | Jan 24 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox wasn't a fork from Mozilla Suite | Jan 24 11:53 |
| Ender2070 | Opera would do a lot better by not being proprietary | Jan 24 11:53 |
| DaemonFC | the engine has always been maintained outside of the browser | Jan 24 11:53 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: then that is simply your choice, no need to somehow make it a right vs wrong debate so long as Opera has not violated any open standards. | Jan 24 11:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #FreeSoftware Releases: PatientOS, opentaps RC Etc. http://ur1.ca/kjwa http://ur1.ca/kjwb http://ur1.ca/kjwc | Jan 24 11:53 | |
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| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: what makes you think that they would do better? | Jan 24 11:53 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is a new browser around the separately developed engine | Jan 24 11:53 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: are you just jealous they still make the best mobile browser :P | Jan 24 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | He acts like all non-FOSS has somehow violated the Geneva Conventions or something | Jan 24 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | even when it's benign | Jan 24 11:54 |
| Ender2070 | ReverseGTR - using opera currently would violate my freedoms, not open standards. opening their code would put them on the level with everyone else who makes a *decent* browser | Jan 24 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's this diseased mindset that causes people not to be taken seriously | Jan 24 11:54 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: so because Internet Explorer was open to Chinese developers ripping it off and creating Maxthon puts M$ on a higher moral ground then Opera | Jan 24 11:55 |
| Ender2070 | not at all | Jan 24 11:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UnitedStates #Government Dives Deeper Into #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/kjwh http://ur1.ca/kjwi | Jan 24 11:55 | |
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| Ender2070 | internet explorer does not provide fsf's 4 freedoms | Jan 24 11:55 |
| Ender2070 | therefor = immoral | Jan 24 11:56 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: you just stated any software which developers have the gaul to rather keep to themselves then constantly jump through legal hoops is somehow wrong | Jan 24 11:56 |
| Ender2070 | if they want to remove my control of my pc - fuck them | Jan 24 11:56 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: but perhaps they provide at least 1/4 as apposed to Opera | Jan 24 11:56 |
| Ender2070 | they can go peddle their wares to people who dont care about freedom | Jan 24 11:57 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: btw, how would opera violate your freedoms if in either case of FOSS or not you are likely agreeing to a TOS with certain clauses pertaining to distribution regardless? | Jan 24 11:57 |
| Ender2070 | people who purchase software are treated worse than pirates | Jan 24 11:57 |
| Ender2070 | activation, proving ownership, people getting sued by the BSA for not having receipts for legally licensed software | Jan 24 11:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship Against Civil Rights in #China : Problem Persists http://ur1.ca/kjwr http://ur1.ca/kjws | Jan 24 11:58 | |
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| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: Boy Scouts of America? | Jan 24 11:58 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html | Jan 24 11:59 |
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| Ender2070 | Can't do ANYTHING with Opera's source code | Jan 24 11:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Obama Administration Defends #FBI 's Violation of the Law, #EFF is Suing http://ur1.ca/kjwt http://ur1.ca/kjwu | Jan 24 11:59 | |
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| Ender2070 | technically you can't even redistribute opera without asking | Jan 24 11:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Amazon's Latest #DRM 'Toolkit' http://ur1.ca/kjwv #swindle #defectivebydesign | Jan 24 12:00 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Amazon 'makes it easier' for authors to DRM Kindle ebooks • The Register .::. Size~: 24.75 KB | Jan 24 12:00 |
| Ender2070 | also im not nearly paying $2,000 for the HARDWARE to run Job's OS | Jan 24 12:01 |
| Ender2070 | ie, Mac OS X | Jan 24 12:01 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - don't you love OSX? | Jan 24 12:01 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - and Apple Computers | Jan 24 12:02 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: ok, but as far as they're concerned their a single company who develops browsers vs others. What makes their choice of wishing to not distribute their source so nefarious? If they comply with every common standard that ensures that anyone who uses their product views a webpage or accesses it in a way that is intended by developers why would you seek to pry their right to distribute it the way they want to in risk of | Jan 24 12:02 |
| ReverseGTR | ruining that? | Jan 24 12:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Intellectual Monopolies Realise Sharing Works for Them http://ur1.ca/kjwy MAFIAA Don Leaves http://ur1.ca/kjwz | Jan 24 12:02 | |
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| Ender2070 | ReverseGTR - you aren't comprehending what _I_ am saying | Jan 24 12:03 |
| Ender2070 | ReverseGTR - _I_ won't run opera, doesn't mean you can't | Jan 24 12:03 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: but you're implying that if I choose to use Opera I am committing some wrong | Jan 24 12:03 |
| Ender2070 | you're not here often enough to know I get into fights with daemon about this all the time | Jan 24 12:03 |
| Ender2070 | you can use opera all you want | Jan 24 12:04 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: so whats your opinion on the way Palm has created WebOS> | Jan 24 12:04 |
| ReverseGTR | ? | Jan 24 12:04 |
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| Ender2070 | there arent any free mobile os's | Jan 24 12:04 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: Openmoko, Maemo? | Jan 24 12:04 |
| Ender2070 | not free | Jan 24 12:05 |
| Ender2070 | they all have proprietary bits in them | Jan 24 12:05 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: only pertaining to certain Nokia platforms which was done by Nokia's engineers | Jan 24 12:05 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: someone can still take whats open and have enough to port it to another device | Jan 24 12:06 |
| Ender2070 | every single mobile linux platform has proprietary code | Jan 24 12:06 |
| Ender2070 | just ask Lefty | Jan 24 12:06 |
| Ender2070 | he was actually trying to compare his ACCESS linux platform to Android in terms of openness | Jan 24 12:08 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: I agree but thats because most mobile hardware contains proprietary bits that aren't part of any broad standard. Take Texas Instrument's OMAP vs a Samsung ARM processor. They may both be ARM but the TI CPU has a special DSP which they patented and hold the license for the compilers | Jan 24 12:08 |
| Ender2070 | amusing really because if you look at the graph they provide, most of ACCESS's linux platform is proprietary | Jan 24 12:08 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: ACCESS are a bunch of jerks who prevented a good OS from being commercially released because they were a bunch of greedy mofos | Jan 24 12:09 |
| Ender2070 | :D | Jan 24 12:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RichardStallman Ahead of the Curve in Hardware http://richard.stallman.usesthis.com/ | Jan 24 12:09 | |
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| Ender2070 | I think these guys are doing good work: http://code.google.com/p/open-android-alliance/ | Jan 24 12:10 |
| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: yea, I guess I feel you. But no matter how much I wish that my Palm Treo 755p was able to update to a newer OS, its their own damn fault | Jan 24 12:10 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Jan 24 12:10 |
| Ender2070 | palm doesnt even touch access balogny | Jan 24 12:10 |
| Ender2070 | WebOS | Jan 24 12:11 |
| Omar87 | Is it true that Android contains some MS Exchange stuff? | Jan 24 12:11 |
| Ender2070 | Omar87 - so does kmail and evolution, if you're talking about protocol support, iirc | Jan 24 12:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #ACTA #Conspiracy Kicks Out People Who Are Not "True Believers" http://ur1.ca/kjxe http://ur1.ca/kidp | Jan 24 12:11 | |
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| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: even if WebOS looks impressive I still feel Cobalt OS is more robust considering its BeOS roots | Jan 24 12:11 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070: I see. That's too bad. | Jan 24 12:12 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070: does the same thing apply to ThunderBird? | Jan 24 12:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Embargo War Ignited in #Mobile Market - Thank #Patents for INNOVA~! http://ur1.ca/kjxk http://ur1.ca/kjxl | Jan 24 12:12 | |
| Ender2070 | im not sure, havent used anything but kmail in a while | Jan 24 12:12 |
| Ender2070 | i could be totally wrong | Jan 24 12:12 |
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| ReverseGTR | Ender2070: at least now there is Haiku carrying the torch, they're in the process of re-making a BeOS like OS from the ground up but being completely FOSS, which is impressive | Jan 24 12:13 |
| Ender2070 | ReverseGTR - wasnt it access who took down YellowTab? | Jan 24 12:14 |
| Ender2070 | anyways im going to bed, lol | Jan 24 12:15 |
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| Ender2070 | heres a quote tho | Jan 24 12:15 |
| Ender2070 | “If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.” - Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh | Jan 24 12:15 |
| Omar87 | Ender2070: happy dreams. :-) | Jan 24 12:15 |
| Ender2070 | later | Jan 24 12:16 |
| ReverseGTR | oh joy, a nobleman's true colors | Jan 24 12:16 |
| ReverseGTR | ciao | Jan 24 12:16 |
| ReverseGTR | royalty are parasites lol | Jan 24 12:16 |
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| ReverseGTR | is anyone remotely descended from a royal bloodline here? | Jan 24 12:19 |
| MinceR | lowering human population levels is a noble goal | Jan 24 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | Nobel Gould? | Jan 24 12:21 |
| MinceR | nobel goa'uld? | Jan 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | Goa. Acid trip. | Jan 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: interesting video | Jan 24 12:25 |
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| schestowitz | The one you put here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_SOxHPyaMY | Jan 24 12:25 |
| schestowitz | You know who's part of these clubs, right? | Jan 24 12:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Through civilized forms of birth control, yes, I agree | Jan 24 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | through murder, not so much | Jan 24 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | I suggest a lottery, those whose names are pulled randomly will be forcibly sterilized | Jan 24 12:33 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 24 12:33 |
| DaemonFC | until the quota is met | Jan 24 12:33 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe through a licensing to reproduce with brutal punishment for non-compliance | Jan 24 12:33 |
| oiaohm | http://standardsandfreedom.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/20434_294224511653_500011653_4622201_7726540_n.jpg I do like this picture | Jan 24 12:34 |
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| DaemonFC | maybe we could do the license to reproduce through a lottery system | Jan 24 12:34 |
| oiaohm | If we don't control population the earth will do it for us sooner or latter. | Jan 24 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | it would work splendidly, because the people that don't need to reproduce would probably not be motivated enough to get up off their asses put their name in for the reproduction lottery | Jan 24 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | since most of their pregnancies were not planned | Jan 24 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | *to put | Jan 24 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | this would ensure that most unwanted pregnancies would end and the welfare system of handouts as we know it would be obsolete | Jan 24 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Just make the power grid more unstable and you can cut the birth rate. | Jan 24 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | the excuse of "I fucked 5 guys and had kids by all of them" is not longer valid | Jan 24 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | *no | Jan 24 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | The one thing I agree with the most out of Clinton's pregnancy, other than the Family Medical Leave Act of 1993, was the Personal Responsibility and Welfare Reform Act of 1996 | Jan 24 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | the Republicans kind of forced that on him though | Jan 24 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | it stopped the practice of open ended handouts to career mothers | Jan 24 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | and imposed a 5 year limit and 2 child benefit cap | Jan 24 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | it's probably the only good thing the Republicans foisted onto Americans in the last 20 years | Jan 24 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | I say it should be amended to do drug tests as well | Jan 24 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | for all applicants to TANF | Jan 24 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | you could probably get half of them disqualified just for that | Jan 24 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | and have CPS get the kids out of that house and into a decent foster home | Jan 24 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | Barbara Ehrenreich particularly angered me when she suggested that people were evil for suggesting that those career welfare cases stop making babies and go find work | Jan 24 12:42 |
| oiaohm | There is a problem here. | Jan 24 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's because society is tired of paying taxes to haul around dead weight that is bringing all their problems down on themselves to become welfare queens | Jan 24 12:42 |
| oiaohm | Its making sure you have the workers to work in the dead end jobs. DaemonFC | Jan 24 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Nobody is stopping them from getting off their backs making babies and going to college | Jan 24 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | there are student grants, no interest or low interest loans, etc | Jan 24 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | why don't they stop making babies (all they're good for) and demanding more welfare and go become self-sufficient? | Jan 24 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Again that is if they have the education to do collage in the first place. This is the sad fact most of the ones making babies are not what you call bright. | Jan 24 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | many of them have brains, brains they've never used | Jan 24 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | because society makes it so easy to not use their brains and to just pump out babies | Jan 24 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Where do there children end up DaemonFC | Jan 24 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | in the same cycle | Jan 24 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | raised in drug houses | Jan 24 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Males ? | Jan 24 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | watching mommy screw random men | Jan 24 12:45 |
| oiaohm | The males mostly end up in crime or dead end jobs. | Jan 24 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | yep, selling drugs | Jan 24 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Either way proviing employment for others. | Jan 24 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's sad and the government is fleecing the tax payers to promote this decay of society | Jan 24 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | the government is not helping them, it is enabling them | Jan 24 12:46 |
| oiaohm | How could you justify a huge police force without crime DaemonFC | Jan 24 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | I don't | Jan 24 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Everything is interlinked. | Jan 24 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | I want the police to be fired, as many of them as possible | Jan 24 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Also grunt soliders also come from the lower classes as well. | Jan 24 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | don't you get it, I'm not a hardcore right-winger, and I'm not a damned liberal | Jan 24 12:47 |
| oiaohm | USA does not really do that great of a job keeping there soliders alive. | Jan 24 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | I just want the fucking insanity to end | Jan 24 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | and it won't with conservatives and liberals | Jan 24 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | it never will | Jan 24 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | Government is not the problem, the liberals and conservatives are the problem | Jan 24 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Are the liberals over there the war mongers? | Jan 24 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | I believe there can be good government, in theory, the "in theory" being as how it hasn't happened | Jan 24 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: They both are | Jan 24 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | they both bash each other for the war that neither of them will end and both of them voted for | Jan 24 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Because war mongers always need soliders who will just follow orders and do stupid things. | Jan 24 12:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's bullshit, utter bullshit | Jan 24 12:49 |
| oiaohm | They have to be produced somewhere. | Jan 24 12:49 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I believe I'm going to start voting for the libertarian candidate | Jan 24 12:49 |
| DaemonFC | in every office | Jan 24 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | they might not win, but the true wasted vote is getting more Democrats and Republicans | Jan 24 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | the libertarian platform is a hell of a lot better than the empty promises from the left and the right | Jan 24 12:51 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: You know what's funny? George W. Bush was in office for 8 years and never once moved to outlaw abortions | Jan 24 12:51 |
| oiaohm | Really what I pray for is a hung goverment. | Jan 24 12:52 |
| DaemonFC | even when the Republicans controlled the House and the Senate | Jan 24 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie where no one has the controlling interests. | Jan 24 12:52 |
| oiaohm | then they have to debate. | Jan 24 12:52 |
| DaemonFC | if the Republicans are so anti-abortion, why not move to stop it when they could? | Jan 24 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Because anti-abortion these days is how to get skinned alive. | Jan 24 12:52 |
| ReverseGTR | good'day folks | Jan 24 12:52 |
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| DaemonFC | I support it when there is a justified medical need | Jan 24 12:53 |
| DaemonFC | such as, the mother will die if one isn't performed | Jan 24 12:53 |
| DaemonFC | or in incest cases | Jan 24 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Rape as well DaemonFC | Jan 24 12:54 |
| DaemonFC | here you got women using it as birth control | Jan 24 12:54 |
| DaemonFC | and this whole baby killing for-profit industry pops up | Jan 24 12:54 |
| DaemonFC | like Planned Parenthood | Jan 24 12:54 |
| DaemonFC | who breaks the law routinely and counsels minors on how to get past the parental notification laws by going out of state | Jan 24 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's profitable for PP to abort babies, so they've de-emphasized contraception and encourage abortions | Jan 24 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | they make $800 for each one they perform | Jan 24 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's a for-profit industry of contract killers | Jan 24 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Long term cost of a living child is a lot more than that. | Jan 24 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | PP is not different, morally, than Blackwater | Jan 24 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Really I would say not. | Jan 24 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Blackwater track record if they were PP you could expect conficted rapests being the ones doing the operations. | Jan 24 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | people bitch about a handful of Iraqis gunned down by mercenaries, but they say nothing of the millions of innocent babies murdered for no reason by Planned Parenthood | Jan 24 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Note the word mercenaries | Jan 24 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think you can say one act is worse than another | Jan 24 12:58 |
| oiaohm | They are paid to be there. | Jan 24 12:58 |
| oiaohm | There is no need to be paying mercs with known history for doing bad. | Jan 24 12:58 |
| DaemonFC | PP is paid to murder, maybe they're more like legal hitmen than mercenaries | Jan 24 12:58 |
| oiaohm | If you were comparing PP to sandline I would not been disputing. | Jan 24 12:59 |
| DaemonFC | mercenaries, at least the theory is there that they're going to adhere to some kind of laws of war against armed opponents | Jan 24 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Ie sandline has stricter rules on who they will allow to be a merc. | Jan 24 12:59 |
| DaemonFC | so maybe Blackwater is better than PP, ethically | Jan 24 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Jan 24 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Blackwater will torture people for information then try to hide it. | Jan 24 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Blackwater are not what you call upstanding rule following mercs. | Jan 24 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | you don't think a full term baby in a partial-birth abortion is being torturned by being vivisectioned wile fully conscious? | Jan 24 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | that's worse than waterboarding | Jan 24 13:00 |
| DaemonFC | most people live through waterboarding | Jan 24 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Also Blackwater have killed unarmed just for being in way. | Jan 24 13:00 |
| Eruaran | I saw video of a group of abortion survivors disrupt an Obama rally. | Jan 24 13:01 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Blackwater torture methords are not as nice as waterboarding. | Jan 24 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Ie broken knees and so on DaemonFC | Jan 24 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Basically they are thugs DaemonFC | Jan 24 13:02 |
| cubezzz | if someone loads a module does it show up in /var/log/secure ? | Jan 24 13:02 |
| cubezzz | or somewhere else? | Jan 24 13:02 |
| oiaohm | dmesg normally cubezzz anywhere else can be LSM related. | Jan 24 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Now exactly why is this important cubezzz? | Jan 24 13:06 |
| cubezzz | I'm a bit worried | Jan 24 13:08 |
| cubezzz | something strange happened about 17:32 yesterday | Jan 24 13:08 |
| cubezzz | /usr/sbin/httpd was running as a process but there is no such file | Jan 24 13:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.embedded.com/design/222301508 "However, it would be better to think of Android as being a software platform for the construction of smart phones, as it is freely available and highly configurable. To be more precise, it is a software platform for building connected devices...." | Jan 24 13:11 |
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| schestowitz | Allison asked the audience. "Shouldn't we leave the elephant alone and stop poking it with sticks? Well, the problem is they aren't going to leave us alone." http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=1 Exactly | Jan 24 13:11 |
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| cubezzz | dmesg doesn't seem to take a note of deregistering some modules | Jan 24 13:11 |
| schestowitz | From http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/333351/illuminating_elephant_open_source_room/ | Jan 24 13:11 |
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| cubezzz | nothing else seems amiss though | Jan 24 13:11 |
| cubezzz | server seems OK | Jan 24 13:12 |
| oiaohm | I guess you don't have a spare server so you can take it off line and run a package to package compare looking for alterations. | Jan 24 13:12 |
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| cubezzz | no spare server | Jan 24 13:14 |
| cubezzz | and oiaohm, I compile everything | Jan 24 13:14 |
| cubezzz | apache, mysql and everything else is compiled from source | Jan 24 13:15 |
| oiaohm | So you have a auditing nightmare. | Jan 24 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Not a location I like to find self in cubezzz | Jan 24 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/22/AR2010012201090.html?hpid=moreheadlines | Jan 24 13:26 |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: http://madhatter.ca/?p=193 | Jan 24 13:26 |
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| rnb | ufff, hi | Jan 24 13:33 |
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| DaemonFC | is it scary that I'm transcoding FLAC to Vorbis because I've nearly filled an entire 1 TB hard drive? | Jan 24 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 24 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | I must be MAFIAA Enemy #1 | Jan 24 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | if I'm not, it's not for lack of trying | Jan 24 13:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Huffington Post Lets #Microsoft Lie and Lie and Lie http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/24/microsoft-employees-at-huffington/ | Jan 24 14:13 | |
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| rnb | ugh, excellent article re: HP | Jan 24 14:17 |
| rnb | ariana huffington is one of those people who annoys me vicariously through people who think she is some kind of radical | Jan 24 14:18 |
| rnb | when she's a rich socialite with moderately centrist views | Jan 24 14:18 |
| rnb | you saw her hob-nobbing with bill gates at last year's WEF? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/gabbing-with-gates-we-tal_b_164712.html | Jan 24 14:18 |
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| cubezzz | http://www.dynamicobjects.com/d2r/archives/002646.html | Jan 24 14:48 |
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| cubezzz | direct quote about dumpster diving | Jan 24 14:48 |
| cubezzz | right from Gates | Jan 24 14:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Analysis of some of Canonical’s recent moves, which give rise to #Novell ’s #Mono and proprietary software http://ur1.ca/kk5b | Jan 24 14:48 | |
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| Eruaran | Bill Gates emerges from a dumpster in the dark of night... a shadow is there, he cant quite make out who it is, "who is there ?"... The silhouette has long frizzy hair and looks bearded, "Are you going to share that code Bill ?" | Jan 24 14:52 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: great find | Jan 24 14:53 |
| schestowitz | rnb: thanks for the link | Jan 24 14:53 |
| schestowitz | It shows Gates was never a coder | Jan 24 14:53 |
| schestowitz | He was a law student | Jan 24 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Bad at programming according to his peers | Jan 24 14:54 |
| cubezzz | huh, that's a bit surprising | Jan 24 14:55 |
| cubezzz | in a way :) | Jan 24 14:55 |
| cubezzz | I don't think he wrote any code for windows though | Jan 24 14:55 |
| Eruaran | Did he even write any code for DOS ? | Jan 24 14:56 |
| cubezzz | yes | Jan 24 14:56 |
| Eruaran | gasp | Jan 24 14:56 |
| cubezzz | I'll try to find a reference | Jan 24 14:56 |
| schestowitz | He was busy... pulling strings with mom & dad | Jan 24 14:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Everyone asks the US regulators to stop their competition being sold in the US because of "Patent Infringement" http://tinyurl.com/yelp9vp | Jan 24 14:58 | |
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| cubezzz | on apps I think Eruaran | Jan 24 14:59 |
| cubezzz | 00560 PAUL ALLEN WROTE THE NON-RUNTIME STUFF. | Jan 24 14:59 |
| cubezzz | 00580 BILL GATES WROTE THE RUNTIME STUFF. | Jan 24 14:59 |
| cubezzz | 00600 MONTE DAVIDOFF WROTE THE MATH PACKAGE | Jan 24 14:59 |
| Eruaran | what app was that ? | Jan 24 14:59 |
| cubezzz | "while Paul Allen went on to write advanced microprocessor simulators, Gates clearly did not." | Jan 24 15:00 |
| cubezzz | looking :) | Jan 24 15:00 |
| schestowitz | http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2007/07/hasta-la-vista-part-1-microsofts-final.html | Jan 24 15:00 |
| cubezzz | it's a memory | Jan 24 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | "v" | Jan 24 15:00 |
| schestowitz | "Unfortunately, Bill Gates is not a wizard. Even worse, he is a bad programmer. When Martin Eller, a Microsoft programmer, found an error in the flood fill routine of the MS-Basic interpreter, he exclaimed "Which moron wrote this brainless sh*t?" only to find out it was Gates himself who wrote the "brainless sh*t". I think it is safe to say that Bill Gates is hardly the technical wizard he would so much like to be." | Jan 24 15:00 |
| cubezzz | multiplan rings a bell | Jan 24 15:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Favourite line from Wine FAQ: "don't try this unless you like tinkering under the hood of your car while it's running." http://is.gd/6W95u | Jan 24 15:01 | |
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| cubezzz | he must have been a real sneaky bastard though | Jan 24 15:01 |
| schestowitz | N | Jan 24 15:03 |
| schestowitz | No | Jan 24 15:03 |
| schestowitz | I think BillG Senior is his biological dad | Jan 24 15:03 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/storms-trash-calif-beaches-bring-snow-az-nm/ | Jan 24 15:04 |
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| cubezzz | yeah his programming cred isn't that good | Jan 24 15:06 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @thepublicdomain This is hilarious. An editorial urging open access to science http://bit.ly/6aTd5w Full text is behind a paywall. #fail | Jan 24 15:06 | |
| schestowitz | Wow! http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jE_iJdIwNBUOTciLIpciPicrvv1Q | Jan 24 15:07 |
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| schestowitz | He stands up against The Man. Well done. | Jan 24 15:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/01/17/canonical-causes-a-ruckus-by-asking-which-new-apps-users-want-on/ | Jan 24 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prweb.com/releases/2010/01/prweb3450314.htm | Jan 24 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://it-chuiko.com/computers/2151-appeared-the-second-alpha-ubuntu-1004.html | Jan 24 15:11 |
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| schestowitz | They make Ubuntu look like a carrot garden with that diagram | Jan 24 15:11 |
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| rnb | i'm programming right now | Jan 24 15:17 |
| rnb | from 5AM to 7AM on a sunday morning | Jan 24 15:18 |
| rnb | i shouldnt be programming | Jan 24 15:18 |
| rnb | i'm supposed to be managing programmers | Jan 24 15:18 |
| rnb | <- trying to make APC (for php) run better on fbsd | Jan 24 15:18 |
| cubezzz | APC works perfect on fedora 12 :) | Jan 24 15:20 |
| cubezzz | just tried it yesterday | Jan 24 15:20 |
| cubezzz | uh, now I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing | Jan 24 15:20 |
| cubezzz | nope we aren't | Jan 24 15:21 |
| cubezzz | sorry :) | Jan 24 15:21 |
| cubezzz | I was talking about American Power Conversion | Jan 24 15:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.jacarandafm.com/kagiso/content/en/jacaranda/jacaranda-news?oid=539093&sn=Detail&pid=6182&SA-calls-for-the--spirit-of-Ubuntu--to-aid-Haiti | Jan 24 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://polishlinux.org/poland/polish-internet-users-against-the-censorship-of-the-net/ | Jan 24 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Who's next? | Jan 24 15:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.serverwatch.com/news/article.php/3860211/AMD-CEO-Targets-2010-Growth-in-Mobile-Servers.htm | Jan 24 15:39 |
| schestowitz | gotta go, bbl | Jan 24 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink434.html | Jan 24 15:52 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 24 15:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Top50Jo the streets of Irbid full of rubbish and junk. | Jan 24 15:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Top50Jo the disgustingly slow and suffocatingly limited internet service. | Jan 24 15:58 | |
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| Omar87_ | Greetings all. | Jan 24 16:11 |
| Omar87_ | _Goblin: hey! :-D | Jan 24 16:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] And now that I've started using #KeePassX, I promise myself that from now on, my passwords will be long, complex and secure. :-) | Jan 24 16:11 | |
| DaemonFC | Clerks 2 is funny as hell | Jan 24 16:14 |
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| DaemonFC | it's one of the top 10 most perverted things I've ever seen | Jan 24 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | I love it | Jan 24 16:17 |
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| Omar87_ | Uhh, I really hate when this happens.. | Jan 24 16:44 |
| cubezzz | what? | Jan 24 16:53 |
| Omar87_ | cubezzz: When someone promises/tells you that s/he'll reply to your email but doesn't do so.. -_- | Jan 24 16:54 |
| Omar87_ | brb | Jan 24 16:55 |
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| DaemonFC | Omar87: http://popup.lala.com/popup/360569449464813970 | Jan 24 17:04 |
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| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 24 17:04 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: :-) | Jan 24 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87: I have all this stuff on LP | Jan 24 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 24 17:09 |
| Omar87 | LP? | Jan 24 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | vinyl records | Jan 24 17:10 |
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| DaemonFC | Omar87: I put a bit of money into a decent turntable (yes, they still make them) | Jan 24 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | vinyl rips (proper ones) can make some incredibly large FLAC files though | Jan 24 17:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Symbolman RT @americannanny Sometimes I feel like the Women's Movement never happened //Faludi's "Backlash" explains why; relevant today | Jan 24 17:19 | |
| DaemonFC | often 80-100 megs per track in 24-bit 96 Khz | Jan 24 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | the problem with trying to get that onto a CD is that you'd actually lose a lot of quality to make it into a CD, and libvorbis totally chokes if you try to feed it one of those | Jan 24 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | you have to resample it to 16-bit 48 Khz before Vorbis will even know what to do with it :D | Jan 24 17:20 |
| Ender2070 | you're serious about your music | Jan 24 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | if you think that's insane, try ripping DVD-A or SACD | Jan 24 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | you'll end up with 200 MB per track in FLAC | Jan 24 17:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Microsoft resembles a corrupt government more than a business: is a monopoly, so can demand its tax on basic services; pays no tax itself; | Jan 24 17:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Microsoft is generally in conflict with other governments; corrupts voting to preserve its influence (#OOXML, etc); | Jan 24 17:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Microsoft controls public data, services and infrastructure through lock-in; engages in propaganda (#FUD) against political opposition... | Jan 24 17:22 | |
| DaemonFC | it is a shame that Super Audio CD never really took off, they still make them but it's a niche market, so the prices are outrageous | Jan 24 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | they make CDs look like a heavily compressed MP3 in comparison | Jan 24 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | they have some DRM, but it's been cracked, so not much of an issue | Jan 24 17:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] And now, with the faulty #SCOTUS decision, #Microsoft can claim all the rights of a corporation, person, & (through monopoly) government. | Jan 24 17:25 | |
| Ender2070 | i didnt know vynyl was technically better | Jan 24 17:25 |
| Ender2070 | i always thought it was just a preference for old foggies | Jan 24 17:26 |
| cubezzz | it's not :) | Jan 24 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: The needle will wear it down over time | Jan 24 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | the thicker the vinyl, the better the endurance | Jan 24 17:26 |
| cubezzz | believe me, I work with an audio engineer | Jan 24 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | they make laser turntables, but they start around $16,000 :) | Jan 24 17:27 |
| cubezzz | you know what else? Digital TV is better than analog TV :) | Jan 24 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | if you have a decent turntable, you can play a decent record over a thousand times easily | Jan 24 17:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] No, I don't pay the #Microsoft tax & I don't accept their dictatorship of what technology I have to use on my computer, and to store my data | Jan 24 17:28 | |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: CDs are abused, that's really most of the reason they sound like shit most of the time | Jan 24 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | the dynamic range has been abused, they try to make the whole thing sound loud | Jan 24 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | you can't do that with vinyl | Jan 24 17:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Up next: #Microsoft buys their "Sealand" neutral territory, obtains their TLD and country code, and demands a seat at United Nations | Jan 24 17:29 | |
| DaemonFC | they pump everything up so you can't even make out what the singer is singing :P | Jan 24 17:30 |
| cubezzz | digital is where it's at now | Jan 24 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | CDs suck | Jan 24 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | well, not so much the CD as the peckerheads that "master" them | Jan 24 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | that's what makes ReplayGain necessary | Jan 24 17:31 |
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| DaemonFC | trying to reclaim your sanity by making the volume uniform across the album again | Jan 24 17:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The status quo: #Microsoft has already "invaded" every technological country on the planet and controls up to 90% of its data&infrastructure | Jan 24 17:31 | |
| DaemonFC | now it's at a reasonable volume but still sounds bad | Jan 24 17:31 |
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| DaemonFC | it also aggravates an MP3 format bug and makes the files much larger than they should be, and makes MP3 start clipping (assuming it wasn't clipping already on the CD, and if it was, it's worse now) | Jan 24 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | that's why your MP3 files will usually be like 20-30% bigger than the nominal bitrate unless you set a lowpass filter to cutoff everything above 16 Khz | Jan 24 17:35 |
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| DaemonFC | the encoder is forced to allocate too many bits to certain areas to avoid imposing a frequency cutoff, cause those are the choices | Jan 24 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's probably the single most annoying MP3 limitation | Jan 24 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | Vorbis doesn't suffer from that problem at all | Jan 24 17:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] (And no, #Microsoft isn't the poster child for a "free market". It's the epitome of the market's failure to neutralise sociopathic #greed) | Jan 24 17:38 | |
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| ender2070_ | hey try reading once in a while :) | Jan 24 17:42 |
| ender2070_ | http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rand.org%2Fpubs%2Fmonographs%2F2009%2FRAND_MG819.pdf | Jan 24 17:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Powered by Google Docs .::. Size~: 20.78 KB | Jan 24 17:42 |
| ender2070_ | you'll love that | Jan 24 17:42 |
| ender2070_ | from RAND | Jan 24 17:42 |
| ender2070_ | a domestic super-police force for the US | Jan 24 17:42 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Jan 24 17:42 |
| ender2070_ | to combat riots, etc | Jan 24 17:43 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Jan 24 17:43 |
| cubezzz | I'm just wondering if pdf is the most universal format for books | Jan 24 17:44 |
| ender2070_ | probably | Jan 24 17:44 |
| ender2070_ | pdf is rms sanctioned too | Jan 24 17:44 |
| cubezzz | oh well then :) | Jan 24 17:44 |
| ender2070_ | I wish I could rip the pdf file so I didn't have to use google reader | Jan 24 17:44 |
| ender2070_ | okular > google reader | Jan 24 17:45 |
| cubezzz | you can just download | Jan 24 17:45 |
| cubezzz | wget, curl... | Jan 24 17:46 |
| cubezzz | my firefox just calls kpdf | Jan 24 17:47 |
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| DaemonFC | I just use SumatraPDF | Jan 24 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | Adobe Reader is the biggest pile of shit | Jan 24 17:48 |
| ender2070__ | okular is the best imo | Jan 24 17:48 |
| cubezzz | what about creating pdfs? | Jan 24 17:49 |
| ender2070__ | I can copy-pasta like mad from okular | Jan 24 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | OOo can export to PDF, can't it? | Jan 24 17:49 |
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| ender2070__ | yes | Jan 24 17:49 |
| ender2070__ | i think koffice does too | Jan 24 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | so you have free PDF creator right there | Jan 24 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | and tons of free readers | Jan 24 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | you don't need Adobe to create or read them | Jan 24 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | I'm OK with a format that I don't have to depend on any one or two companies for | Jan 24 17:50 |
| ender2070__ | yeah adobe did good with pdf | Jan 24 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | they can go all MSN Music on you | Jan 24 17:50 |
| ender2070__ | wish they would do the same with flash | Jan 24 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070__: They're stupid not to | Jan 24 17:51 |
| cubezzz | how about text2pdf? | Jan 24 17:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Microsoft still rides high on gusher of bundling #Windows with evry PC sold -even if you prefer to run something else. They're already paid | Jan 24 17:51 | |
| DaemonFC | this HTML 5 for Youtube is just the warning shot | Jan 24 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | sooner or later, nobody will use Flash | Jan 24 17:51 |
| cubezzz | good | Jan 24 17:52 |
| cubezzz | never really liked flash | Jan 24 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | Flash is hell on Linux | Jan 24 17:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The most popular software products demand you FIRST buy #Windows. That is not free choice; "free market" fans shd be the first to decry this | Jan 24 17:52 | |
| DaemonFC | it's a pile of security holes on any OS | Jan 24 17:52 |
| ender2070__ | flash 64-bit at least exists on linux | Jan 24 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | slower computers can't handle it | Jan 24 17:53 |
| ender2070__ | no 64-bit flash for win | Jan 24 17:53 |
| cubezzz | that is true | Jan 24 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070__: That doesn't matter really | Jan 24 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | there's not that many reasons to want a 64-bit browser | Jan 24 17:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] [[Slimelight]] on Wikipedia is up for deletion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slimelight Please IMPROVE THE ARTICLE and ADD REFERENCES! | Jan 24 17:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I prefer to run #Linux on my PC. A toxic, & intentional, effect of the #Microsoft monopoly is that I do not then have wide software choices | Jan 24 17:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Microsoft's other "innovation" was to use *technological* means to enforce lock-in. This is the basis of their every action in the market. | Jan 24 17:54 | |
| DaemonFC | I'm more interested in just seeing Flash die than almost anything else | Jan 24 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | they have to patch it all the time | Jan 24 17:55 |
| cubezzz | die die! | Jan 24 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's grown into this horrible mess of security problems, performance problems, and compatibility issues jsut to watch Youtube and porn | Jan 24 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's all kinds of stupid | Jan 24 17:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The #Bush DoJ erred in not applying penalties after #Microsoft's massive anti-trust conviction. | Jan 24 17:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The #EU erred, after convicting #Microsoft of massive #antitrust violations, in applying only cash penalties. MS is immune to those. #i4i | Jan 24 17:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Microsoft also usurps the govt's role in setting the agenda for technological education. Nobody sees destructive conflict of interest here? | Jan 24 17:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@NurtureGirl listening to my 7yo about what she'd do if some1 gave her $. My philanthropist. // I'll give her $100 to redistribute her way | Jan 24 18:05 | |
| schestowitz | Nice show: http://www.tllts.org/audio/tllts_337-01-20-10.ogg | Jan 24 18:06 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "it's bad civic hygiene to build technologies that could someday be used to facilitate a police state" Bruce Schneier http://bit.ly/5UdyF5 | Jan 24 18:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "it's bad civic hygiene to build technologies that could someday be used to facilitate a police state" Schneier (let's talk about #cctv...) | Jan 24 18:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me..to quit feeding stray animals..Because they breed," #gop Bauer on #poverty | Jan 24 18:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "They will reproduce,..what you've got to do is..curtail that type of behavior. They don't know any better." http://bit.ly/7jH2Bo #gop Bauer | Jan 24 18:14 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Bauer defends comment comparing poor people to stray animals - WIS News 10 - Columbia, South Carolina | .::. Size~: 44.99 KB | Jan 24 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Heh. "@schestowitz Microsoft Employees at Huffington - nice analysis. Great work Roy, keep it up!" http://identi.ca/notice/19910589 | Jan 24 18:22 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Wayne Borean (themadhatteron) 's status on Sunday, 24-Jan-10 16:11:44 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.04 KB | Jan 24 18:22 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@BillGates didn't want "just a business," subject to laws,etc. His vision was an entity without limits, that could face down any govt & win | Jan 24 18:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] He wanted to control the spice. And how. #Microsoft | Jan 24 18:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] If @AriannaHuff isn't awake to that megalomania, & the incalculable damage it's done, then too bad, others will continue to fight it. #linux | Jan 24 18:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@ManMadeMoon Just ordered food in #Montreal. Received this. Not quite sure what to do with it... // sounds like you got #poutine ! #Canada | Jan 24 18:32 | |
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| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-microsoft-cvp-rodriquez-leaves-responsibility-for-zune-mediaroom-media-/ | Jan 24 18:43 |
| schestowitz | "Zune is ... going nowhere. Seems Mr. Softie is capitulating to the obvious; it's a nice product that seemingly has absolutely no traction in the marketplace. Sorry for the people impacts :(" | Jan 24 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Sorry? | Jan 24 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | ping _Goblin | Jan 24 18:49 |
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| trmanco | hello | Jan 24 18:56 |
| trmanco | :) | Jan 24 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 24 18:56 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to a friend of mine from Portugal a couple of hours ago at the gym | Jan 24 18:57 |
| schestowitz | He asked how the journey went | Jan 24 18:57 |
| trmanco | what journey? | Jan 24 18:59 |
| trmanco | you mean the flight? | Jan 24 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Yours | Jan 24 18:59 |
| schestowitz | His family moved from .pr to the UK when he was 11 | Jan 24 18:59 |
| schestowitz | So there are similarities | Jan 24 18:59 |
| schestowitz | His name is Fabio... he's almost as strong as me :-) | Jan 24 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Did you settle in OK? | Jan 24 19:00 |
| trmanco | Im still adapting | Jan 24 19:00 |
| trmanco | :/ | Jan 24 19:00 |
| trmanco | I feel intimidated | Jan 24 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Don't be | Jan 24 19:01 |
| schestowitz | We spoke for like 10 hours, you sound fine | Jan 24 19:02 |
| trmanco | Can you hear me :P | Jan 24 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Have you applied for job/university yet? | Jan 24 19:02 |
| trmanco | ? | Jan 24 19:02 |
| trmanco | job for now | Jan 24 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Maybe too soon | Jan 24 19:02 |
| trmanco | I will tomorrow | Jan 24 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Ah, OK | Jan 24 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Good for you | Jan 24 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Wizpy was here asking about you | Jan 24 19:03 |
| schestowitz | 2 days ago iirc | Jan 24 19:03 |
| trmanco | will go to school in about 7 months | Jan 24 19:03 |
| trmanco | oh really, cool :) | Jan 24 19:03 |
| schestowitz | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-385616.html | Jan 24 19:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 17-year-old Microsoft flaw affects Windows 7 | Tech News on ZDNet .::. Size~: 78.9 KB | Jan 24 19:03 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: she's down in California (CA) I thin | Jan 24 19:04 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: she's down in California (CA) I think | Jan 24 19:04 |
| trmanco | california :D | Jan 24 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Next week I'm flying down to London for a couple of days to do the movie filming. I can choose which hotel to stay in, so depending on whereabouts my friends work I can book | Jan 24 19:04 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: but she's from NJ | Jan 24 19:05 |
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| trmanco | she should come to toronto for a couple of days | Jan 24 19:05 |
| trmanco | :P | Jan 24 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Sure, ask her | Jan 24 19:05 |
| cubezzz | movie? | Jan 24 19:08 |
| trmanco | I still have issues with this canadian keyboard layout :/ | Jan 24 19:09 |
| trmanco | grrr | Jan 24 19:09 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: documentary | Jan 24 19:10 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: change kb layout | Jan 24 19:11 |
| trmanco | nah | Jan 24 19:11 |
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| trmanco | oh | Jan 24 19:11 |
| trmanco | and I'm using windows | Jan 24 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Study Dvorak | Jan 24 19:11 |
| trmanco | :/ | Jan 24 19:11 |
| cubezzz | cool | Jan 24 19:11 |
| cubezzz | I did one of those once | Jan 24 19:11 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: what's it like, I've always wondered...... | Jan 24 19:12 |
| trmanco | it's a great laptop, vista runs like shit | Jan 24 19:12 |
| cubezzz | not sure if the guy ever finished it :) | Jan 24 19:12 |
| trmanco | 4GB ram | Jan 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Laptop just runs code | Jan 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz | It ought to run good code | Jan 24 19:12 |
| cubezzz | why in the world are you running Vista? | Jan 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: which one? | Jan 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz | This one is for national TV | Jan 24 19:12 |
| trmanco | intem core 2 duo t6400 2000 mhz | Jan 24 19:13 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: he's not | Jan 24 19:13 |
| trmanco | intel* | Jan 24 19:13 |
| cubezzz | It was called "The Triumph of the Will" | Jan 24 19:13 |
| schestowitz | He has just moved, using someone else's | Jan 24 19:13 |
| cubezzz | ah | Jan 24 19:13 |
| trmanco | yes | Jan 24 19:13 |
| trmanco | need to buy a netbook | Jan 24 19:14 |
| schestowitz | I have a question | Jan 24 19:14 |
| schestowitz | What if I lessed focus on Microsoft in BN? | Jan 24 19:14 |
| schestowitz | It's taking up a lot of time | Jan 24 19:14 |
| schestowitz | *lessened | Jan 24 19:15 |
| cubezzz | lessened focus on Microsoft? | Jan 24 19:15 |
| schestowitz | I started in late 2008 when PetoKraus suggsted it | Jan 24 19:15 |
| PetoKraus | what? | Jan 24 19:15 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I'm reading some Microsoft news to analyse their attacks on FOSS | Jan 24 19:15 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: :-p | Jan 24 19:15 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: it's YOUR fault !!!! | Jan 24 19:15 |
| *cubezzz blinks | Jan 24 19:16 | |
| trmanco | lol | Jan 24 19:16 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: as I remember it, I started reading more into it after a discussion we had in IRC. It's a good thing, not a bad thing. I was only joking | Jan 24 19:19 |
| PetoKraus | :) i've just been thrown into the convo | Jan 24 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Gavin: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/24/microsoft_windows_mobile_sinofsky/ | Jan 24 19:20 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft re-org hints at Windows and Mobile merge • The Register .::. Size~: 24.53 KB | Jan 24 19:20 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: are you on #arch and #gentoo? | Jan 24 19:20 |
| PetoKraus | only #archlinux | Jan 24 19:20 |
| schestowitz | BTW, if you ever come to Manc for a concert, give me a shout | Jan 24 19:21 |
| PetoKraus | sure | Jan 24 19:21 |
| schestowitz | You said so last year | Jan 24 19:21 |
| PetoKraus | yeah, there were a couple | Jan 24 19:21 |
| schestowitz | The option is still open.. | Jan 24 19:21 |
| PetoKraus | i might be pretty close to manch next year | Jan 24 19:21 |
| PetoKraus | thanks | Jan 24 19:21 |
| PetoKraus | i'm going for a placement somewhere | Jan 24 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Just let me know | Jan 24 19:21 |
| PetoKraus | hopefully St. Albans with the Home Office | Jan 24 19:21 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna meet _Goblin next week | Jan 24 19:21 |
| PetoKraus | in Manc? | Jan 24 19:21 |
| schestowitz | OpenByes-BN reunion | Jan 24 19:22 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: no, south | Jan 24 19:22 |
| trmanco | well | Jan 24 19:22 |
| trmanco | cya guys | Jan 24 19:22 |
| trmanco | ill try and be back tomowrrow | Jan 24 19:22 |
| schestowitz | ta | Jan 24 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/vulnerabilities/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222400136 | Jan 24 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Whata mess | Jan 24 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: there? | Jan 24 19:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin I need to speak to you about next week in London. | Jan 24 19:44 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2010/01/0119apple-unveils-lisa | Jan 24 19:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Jan. 19, 1983: Apple Gets Graphic With Lisa | This Day In Tech | Wired.com .::. Size~: 91.82 KB | Jan 24 19:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This is another failure waiting to happen like Apple TV: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122858651&ps=cprs | Jan 24 19:50 | |
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| MinceR | "graphic"? moar liek "idiotic" | Jan 24 19:54 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Yep, just got back. | Jan 24 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Some people will buy it because they are avid fans | Jan 24 19:54 |
| schestowitz | They associated themselves with the brand | Jan 24 19:54 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: Next week I'm flying down to London, then stay in a hotel (the Television's expense) in order to film that movie I told you about. Whereabout are you there? | Jan 24 19:55 |
| schestowitz | I could choose location based on your preference | Jan 24 19:55 |
| _Goblin | I live Bedfordshire, but work in north London...(Barnet Area) | Jan 24 19:55 |
| schestowitz | OK, thanks | Jan 24 19:55 |
| cubezzz | well that was a first | Jan 24 19:56 |
| cubezzz | weather.txt grew right when I was writing the file to dvd | Jan 24 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Filming is at Hyde Park Hotel | Jan 24 19:56 |
| cubezzz | so what's this documentary called? | Jan 24 19:57 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: can you make it to around Kensington? I can take the tube if not... | Jan 24 19:59 |
| schestowitz | I was in London many times before, so it's not a problem | Jan 24 20:00 |
| _Goblin | er.... | Jan 24 20:00 |
| _Goblin | if Im at work probably not...if Im off yes... | Jan 24 20:00 |
| _Goblin | what day are you going to be about? | Jan 24 20:01 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: it's about Swine-Flu | Jan 24 20:01 |
| _Goblin | and at around what time? | Jan 24 20:01 |
| schestowitz | The part where I fit is Gartner's business of fear | Jan 24 20:01 |
| cubezzz | umm | Jan 24 20:01 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: Tuesday or Monday night | Jan 24 20:01 |
| _Goblin | tuesday night would be better...Im off monday... | Jan 24 20:02 |
| _Goblin | and Im looking after kids (with is out shopping) on monday | Jan 24 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Ah.. OK. But it sounds simple enough | Jan 24 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | I'll check a bit | Jan 24 20:03 |
| _Goblin | Ill need to speak with you privately before you meet me.... | Jan 24 20:03 |
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| _Goblin | as I'll need to give you directions as to where I am. | Jan 24 20:05 |
| _Goblin | and don't really want to broadcast it to the wintroll lurkers here. | Jan 24 20:05 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: trains are more flexible | Jan 24 20:07 |
| schestowitz | I might just not take a plane (even through they offer it) | Jan 24 20:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Learn to choose a secure password. > http://tinyurl.com/ydo3cbu | Jan 24 20:07 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Top 20 website passwords you shouldn’t be using | Graham Cluley's blog .::. Size~: 31.07 KB | Jan 24 20:07 |
| schestowitz | With a train there's one leaving every hour or so | Jan 24 20:08 |
| _Goblin | to st pancras int? | Jan 24 20:08 |
| schestowitz | ALso less pollution.. | Jan 24 20:08 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: train might be more flexible... also no need for suitcase then | Jan 24 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Mail me later... | Jan 24 20:09 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't belong online :-S | Jan 24 20:09 |
| _Goblin | Ive twitter DM'd you... | Jan 24 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | It's better to meet in the evening after footage, then I can grab the ride back home | Jan 24 20:11 |
| Omar87 | Greetings all, | Jan 24 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Hey, Omar87 | Jan 24 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Your friend _Goblin is here | Jan 24 20:11 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: oh, hi. :) | Jan 24 20:11 |
| Omar87 | Yup. :) | Jan 24 20:11 |
| _Goblin | hi | Jan 24 20:16 |
| _Goblin | sorry afk... | Jan 24 20:16 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: hey | Jan 24 20:17 |
| _Goblin | sorry, going afk for a while....lads decided he needs his nappy changed...brb | Jan 24 20:17 |
| _Goblin | 5 mins | Jan 24 20:17 |
| Omar87 | tyt | Jan 24 20:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/187060/alibaba_calls_yahoos_support_of_google_reckless.html | Jan 24 20:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Alibaba Calls Yahoo's Support of Google 'reckless' - PC World Business Center .::. Size~: 57.29 KB | Jan 24 20:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I wonder if there's a way to hack in and disable or bypass the download bandwidth from the ISP. :-) @ioerror | Jan 24 20:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I wonder if there's a way to hack in and disable or bypass the download bandwidth limitation from the ISP. :-) @ioerror | Jan 24 20:21 | |
| _Goblin | right...back... | Jan 24 20:23 |
| _Goblin | Hi Omar | Jan 24 20:23 |
| _Goblin | how are you? | Jan 24 20:24 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: Hey! | Jan 24 20:26 |
| Omar87 | I'm great, thanks. | Jan 24 20:26 |
| Omar87 | You? | Jan 24 20:26 |
| _Goblin | not bad... | Jan 24 20:28 |
| _Goblin | just doing 15 different things at once... | Jan 24 20:28 |
| _Goblin | saw Genesis the other night.... | Jan 24 20:29 |
| _Goblin | not a bad TNA ppv | Jan 24 20:29 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: I wanted to download the week's Smackdown Friday night, but it seems I have exceeded my dowload limit for this month and the speed is a total tragedy. | Jan 24 20:33 |
| schestowitz | All ports? | Jan 24 20:34 |
| Omar87 | I wonder if there's a way to bypass the bandwidth limitation. | Jan 24 20:34 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Excuse me? | Jan 24 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Depends on how it's regulated | Jan 24 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Bandwidth on all types of traffic? | Jan 24 20:34 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I guess, yeah. It's from the ISP, ya know. | Jan 24 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Mine is limitless, but 10 years ago we have transatlantic quotient | Jan 24 20:35 |
| schestowitz | /have/had/ | Jan 24 20:35 |
| schestowitz | I nevr bothered to check how much b/w I use | Jan 24 20:35 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: see why sometimes I envy the greenness of neighbor's garden? :-) | Jan 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Surely not as much as torrent phreaks | Jan 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: it's how you use it though.. the resources | Jan 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Having more is not always better | Jan 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Info overload for example | Jan 24 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Or burdening of mind | Jan 24 20:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: No. To me, it's the ability to dowload or do just about anything I want. From videos and all the way to Linux iso images. | Jan 24 20:37 |
| _Goblin | ; | Jan 24 20:38 |
| _Goblin | omar87: That may be a swarm problem and not your bandwidth. | Jan 24 20:38 |
| _Goblin | in the UK we are lucky because Sky Sports shows it live and numerous repeats. | Jan 24 20:38 |
| _Goblin | at least I think Smackdown is live...I wait until the repeat the following day on Sky Sports. | Jan 24 20:39 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: I think it's a bandwidth thing. 'coz I did download some good gigabytes this month. | Jan 24 20:39 |
| Omar87 | _Goblin: I downloaded Backtrack .iso for example. which alone weighs about 1.5gb. | Jan 24 20:40 |
| *MinceR just laughed out loud at that thebeezspeaks article | Jan 24 20:40 | |
| schestowitz | WHich part of it? | Jan 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | I'll do a post about these issues soon | Jan 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Mr. Garbage Man...... | Jan 24 20:45 |
| schestowitz | If only his rich parents knew what BillG Jr. was up (or down) to...... | Jan 24 20:45 |
| schestowitz | They sent him to college... instead he dived into dumpsters looking for other people's intellect | Jan 24 20:46 |
| MinceR | where he asserts that steve jobs always knew what was hot, including "In the nineties, Unix was hot." | Jan 24 20:47 |
| MinceR | though after/despite all the crApple wanking (and the occasional lie), the article does have actual content, though | Jan 24 20:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/acacia-and-microsoft-settle-litigation-2010-01-22 | Jan 24 20:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Acacia and Microsoft settle litigation - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 79.16 KB | Jan 24 20:50 |
| Omar87 | http://news.techworld.com/virtualisation/3210826/microsoft-free-virtual-desktop-startup-gets-4m-funding/ | Jan 24 20:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 'Microsoft-free' virtual desktop startup gets $4m funding - Techworld.com .::. Size~: 118.53 KB | Jan 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jan 24 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Older news | Jan 24 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, precious "IP"... whatever that is.... http://www.dailytech.com/Adobe+Targeted+by+Cyber+Attack+from+China/article17387c.htm | Jan 24 20:51 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: It was submitted on FSD just moments ago. | Jan 24 20:52 |
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| _Goblin | Jono is being interviewed on Rathole shortly.... | Jan 24 20:56 |
| _Goblin | anyone listening to it? | Jan 24 20:56 |
| jono | _Goblin, I should be | Jan 24 20:56 |
| jono | but I hate that guy | Jan 24 20:57 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Jan 24 20:57 |
| jono | :) | Jan 24 20:57 |
| cubezzz | Rathole? | Jan 24 21:01 |
| _Goblin | Rathole radio... | Jan 24 21:06 |
| _Goblin | right, im off for a bit, switching IRC client to other rig. | Jan 24 21:06 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/zljf6 - My Fedora 12 rig, customized to my specs.. #linux #foss #fedora | Jan 24 21:06 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: My Fedora 12 rig, customized to my specs.. #linux #foss #fedora on Twitpic .::. Size~: 8.22 KB | Jan 24 21:06 |
| schestowitz | What was that US service for TV on the Web (not Joost)? | Jan 24 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: youerISP's traffic is taken up by zombie spew | Jan 24 21:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/187052/conficker_still_striking_online.html?tk=rss_news http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/186977/conficker_worm_hasnt_gone_away_akamai_says.html | Jan 24 21:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Conficker Still Striking Online - PC World .::. Size~: 68.18 KB | Jan 24 21:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Conficker Worm Hasn't Gone Away, Akamai Says - PC World Business Center .::. Size~: 57.51 KB | Jan 24 21:16 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: what? | Jan 24 21:17 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: excuse me? | Jan 24 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.forbes.com/2010/01/22/google-earnings-search-markets-equities-china.html?boxes=financechannelforbes | Jan 24 21:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Earnings Miss Punishes Google - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 32.81 KB | Jan 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: nm | Jan 24 21:21 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: no, really. What were you saying? | Jan 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | I was just saying, infected Windows takes up a lot of "junk" bandwidth | Jan 24 21:21 |
| Omar87 | Except for the fact that I have no Windows. :-) | Jan 24 21:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/6966628/Facebooks-Mark-Zuckerberg-says-privacy-is-no-longer-a-social-norm.html | Jan 24 21:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg says privacy is no longer a 'social norm' - Telegraph .::. Size~: 131.49 KB | Jan 24 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: you don't, others do | Jan 24 21:24 |
| schestowitz | 95% of the mail load comes from Windows spew | Jan 24 21:24 |
| schestowitz | SPAM | Jan 24 21:24 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: that's right. | Jan 24 21:24 |
| schestowitz | And ISPs (customers) pay the price | Jan 24 21:24 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Agreed. | Jan 24 21:25 |
| schestowitz | I've been writing extensively about it for 4 years | Jan 24 21:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=schestowitz+windows+spewage&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=schestowitz+windows+spew&aq=f&aql=&aqi=&oq= | Jan 24 21:25 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: schestowitz windows spewage - Google Search .::. Size~: 28.61 KB | Jan 24 21:25 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: schestowitz windows spew - Google Search .::. Size~: 28.17 KB | Jan 24 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is suing Google. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601100&sid=aZeXC.1O9nAU | Jan 24 21:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google Faces German Antitrust Cases From Microsoft, Publishers - Bloomberg.com .::. Size~: 31.11 KB | Jan 24 21:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/google-seen-posting-big-gain-in-q4-profit-2010-01-15?reflink=MW_news_stmp | Jan 24 21:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google seen posting big gain in Q4 profit - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 92.33 KB | Jan 24 21:34 |
| rnb | hi | Jan 24 21:35 |
| schestowitz | o/ | Jan 24 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/subjects/davos | Jan 24 21:41 |
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| rnb | yep, that time of year again.. | Jan 24 21:42 |
| rnb | http://www.forumsocialmundial.org.br/ | Jan 24 21:42 |
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| amarsh04 | comment from another chat: [New York] wants people to report problems with roads and aren't making the data available to the public | Jan 24 21:49 |
| amarsh04 | in other words, getting the public to contribute to someone's proprietary, monetising project | Jan 24 21:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/137884 | Jan 24 22:00 |
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| _Goblin | Id forgotten how much of a clean distro Fedora was. Its back on my second rig now... | Jan 24 22:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/18/symbian_ui/ | Jan 24 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: it used to be semi-baked years ago | Jan 24 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Reputation of not reliable for desktops | Jan 24 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Since version 11 or 10 it has gotten much better reviews | Jan 24 22:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Corporate personhood turns out to be another perfectly divisive, culture-war issue splitting progressives and the rest. #scotus #fail | Jan 24 22:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@ishtarmuz You can stop telling me #Fox is not news. I know. Really. | Jan 24 22:49 | |
| schestowitz | rnb: more anti-Chavez: http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/postmodern-warfare-chavez-says-playstation-will-teach-you-to-kill/ | Jan 24 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | They leave out the more important thing | Jan 24 22:55 |
| schestowitz | That his face is put as the "bad guy" in these games | Jan 24 22:55 |
| schestowitz | They also show him with a beret | Jan 24 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Perfect "hack job" | Jan 24 22:55 |
| schestowitz | NYT........ | Jan 24 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/19/arts/television/19arts-PRESIDENTCHV_BRF.html | Jan 24 22:55 |
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| ender2070__ | didn't he lead a violent communist revolution? | Jan 24 22:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Manchester ID card trial huge success in Five Year Plan http://newstechnica.com/?p=1356 | Jan 24 23:03 | |
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| schestowitz | Communist? | Jan 24 23:09 |
| schestowitz | He is liked by his people and elected | Jan 24 23:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard judging by the picture, only arsefaces apply :-) | Jan 24 23:10 | |
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| ender2070__ | is that the guy they plaster on t-shirts here? | Jan 24 23:14 |
| ender2070__ | hes in the socialist party, thats communism | Jan 24 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Dvorak ain't paying attention.. | Jan 24 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft, while doing nothing exciting, has no real threat aimed at its core business. Linux is not coming to the desktop anytime soon, and Office is still the best of breed in productivity software. | Jan 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-tech-rallys-at-moment-of-truth-2010-01-22?reflink=MW_news_stmp | Jan 24 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | QUOTE^^ | Jan 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz | He says "Microsoft, while doing nothing exciting, has no real threat aimed at its core business. Linux is not coming to the desktop anytime soon, and Office is still the best of breed in productivity software." | Jan 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz | That's assuming he believes bogus numbers | Jan 24 23:15 |
| cubezzz | that's horseshit | Jan 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz | And Windows revenue is down 40% | Jan 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Office revenue down sharply too | Jan 24 23:15 |
| cubezzz | I got a whole house filled with fedora desktops | Jan 24 23:15 |
| schestowitz | SaaS and FOSS ruin them | Jan 24 23:15 |
| cubezzz | oh Dvorak | Jan 24 23:15 |
| cubezzz | well so what? :) | Jan 24 23:16 |
| schestowitz | ender2070__: no, that's Che | Jan 24 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Don't confuse the two | Jan 24 23:16 |
| ender2070__ | ohhhhhhhhhhh | Jan 24 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Che was assassinated with CIA help | Jan 24 23:16 |
| cubezzz | does dvorak understand that people use Linux on the desktop already? | Jan 24 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Chavez has like 90% approval rate among his population | Jan 24 23:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Gates,Ballmer & Smith..treat the HuffPost like it’s their blog" Huffington Post Lets #Microsoft Lie & Lie & Lie http://bit.ly/5SL3NE #fraud | Jan 24 23:16 | |
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| schestowitz | The north must be after his oil and stuff | Jan 24 23:16 |
| cubezzz | what is this assertion that "it's not coming to the desktop anytime soon"? | Jan 24 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, the US press portrays him -- not the invaders -- as the bad guy | Jan 24 23:17 |
| cubezzz | it's my desktop since 2003 | Jan 24 23:17 |
| ender2070__ | linux has the desktop | Jan 24 23:17 |
| schestowitz | In case you missed it, he complained that PS3 games put his face in their as guy to shoot | Jan 24 23:17 |
| cubezzz | what lalaland is he in? | Jan 24 23:17 |
| ender2070__ | Dvorak is crazy | Jan 24 23:17 |
| schestowitz | They distorts what he said as though he's anti-Sony (Japanese corporation) | Jan 24 23:17 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: Dvorak uses Ubuntu | Jan 24 23:18 |
| ender2070__ | I stopped listening to what he says | Jan 24 23:18 |
| schestowitz | He told me he likes it | Jan 24 23:18 |
| cubezzz | that's even stupider then | Jan 24 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I brought it up anyway | Jan 24 23:18 |
| schestowitz | It's silly | Jan 24 23:18 |
| ender2070__ | hes running buntu | Jan 24 23:18 |
| ender2070__ | cause everyone else is | Jan 24 23:18 |
| schestowitz | He says so | Jan 24 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I think he plays | Jan 24 23:18 |
| schestowitz | He's a Windows guy usually | Jan 24 23:18 |
| ender2070__ | he probably has it installed so he can find ways to complain | Jan 24 23:19 |
| schestowitz | And he trolls Mac users purposely, by him own admission | Jan 24 23:19 |
| schestowitz | He was trolling a lot in 04-06 | Jan 24 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Then he stopped | Jan 24 23:19 |
| schestowitz | ender2070__: yes | Jan 24 23:19 |
| schestowitz | That's what I warned about at the time | Jan 24 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Alas... | Jan 24 23:19 |
| schestowitz | He never did complain | Jan 24 23:19 |
| schestowitz | He rarely bashes Linux these days, until I saw the above | Jan 24 23:19 |
| ender2070__ | probably because you called him on it | Jan 24 23:19 |
| cubezzz | he's still trolling | Jan 24 23:20 |
| MinceR | well, linux is not coming to the desktop because it already is on the desktop | Jan 24 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 24 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Especially in some countries | Jan 24 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Not California where he is | Jan 24 23:20 |
| schestowitz | That's where the Apple Cult thrives the most | Jan 24 23:20 |
| cubezzz | he doesn't have anything of substance to say | Jan 24 23:20 |
| cubezzz | you'd be better off reading my blog :) | Jan 24 23:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/14/technology/14iht-kroes.html | Jan 24 23:21 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: I do | Jan 24 23:21 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, I don't want to complain about that piece of is | Jan 24 23:21 |
| schestowitz | I've been corresponding with him for over 5 years on few occasions, I don't want to ruin it | Jan 24 23:21 |
| cubezzz | yeah be polite, sure | Jan 24 23:22 |
| cubezzz | don't burn your bridges | Jan 24 23:22 |
| Myfraudsoft | umm hi | Jan 24 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I have good posts coming tomorrow, cubezzz | Jan 24 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Too many of them | Jan 24 23:22 |
| Myfraudsoft | there is some new development regarding free software and open sorce in Croatia | Jan 24 23:22 |
| cubezzz | nice nick dude :) | Jan 24 23:22 |
| ender2070__ | myfraudsoft - wicked name | Jan 24 23:23 |
| Myfraudsoft | i'm not sure if you folks know this | Jan 24 23:23 |
| cubezzz | tell us | Jan 24 23:23 |
| Myfraudsoft | here's the link | Jan 24 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Are you the same person who post comments under the nick? | Jan 24 23:23 |
| schestowitz | *posts | Jan 24 23:23 |
| Myfraudsoft | yes | Jan 24 23:23 |
| Myfraudsoft | http://globus.jutarnji.hr/hrvatska/hrvatski-milijuni-za-billa-gatesa | Jan 24 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | Pls just keep it clean | Jan 24 23:23 |
| Myfraudsoft | it's from some newspaper | Jan 24 23:24 |
| schestowitz | We've had people who act impolitely (to the extreme) and are used against us | Jan 24 23:24 |
| Myfraudsoft | ok | Jan 24 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Myfraudsoft: Google doesn't translate this language | Jan 24 23:24 |
| Myfraudsoft | yes it does | Jan 24 23:24 |
| Myfraudsoft | http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fglobus.jutarnji.hr%2Fhrvatska%2Fhrvatski-milijuni-za-billa-gatesa&sl=hr&tl=en | Jan 24 23:24 |
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| cubezzz | thanks :) | Jan 24 23:24 |
| cubezzz | he's right, it does | Jan 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like good news | Jan 24 23:25 |
| cubezzz | let's face it, outside of the USA everyone hates Microsoft | Jan 24 23:26 |
| Myfraudsoft | basically it's about HULK (that's like a LUG but on a national level) launching campain to use Free Software in public administration | Jan 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Jan 24 23:27 |
| schestowitz | I'll add it to a post tomorrow | Jan 24 23:27 |
| schestowitz | About gates corruption | Jan 24 23:27 |
| Myfraudsoft | ok. you're welcome | Jan 24 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Jan 24 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Keep it polite | Jan 24 23:27 |
| schestowitz | The facts about Microsoft corruptions speak for themselves | Jan 24 23:28 |
| cubezzz | can't I throw a pie at Gates? :) | Jan 24 23:28 |
| schestowitz | They don't need magnitude in terms of language and we've suffered some people who associate us with aggression | Jan 24 23:28 |
| cubezzz | if I get within throwing distance | Jan 24 23:28 |
| _Goblin | Id advise against it. | Jan 24 23:28 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: the guy never threw it..... in Belgium | Jan 24 23:28 |
| _Goblin | makes him a martyr | Jan 24 23:28 |
| schestowitz | He just glued it to his face | Jan 24 23:29 |
| cubezzz | heh | Jan 24 23:29 |
| _Goblin | and gets you in trouble | Jan 24 23:29 |
| cubezzz | remember the smilie _Goblin | Jan 24 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Remember in China? | Jan 24 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Where the guy from LPI went on stage with a FOSS t-shirt? | Jan 24 23:29 |
| schestowitz | When PearlyG was speaking.. | Jan 24 23:29 |
| _Goblin | yeah I know you were only joking, but thats not how the IRC log will be quoted by LinXXX | Jan 24 23:29 |
| cubezzz | someone threw eggs at Ballmer | Jan 24 23:30 |
| _Goblin | yeah i saw that on youtube | Jan 24 23:30 |
| schestowitz | http://nagyorgy.uw.hu/ | Jan 24 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | Nagy György | Jan 24 23:30 |
| cubezzz | give me back my forints :) | Jan 24 23:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/24/world/main6135915.shtml | Jan 24 23:31 |
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| ender2070__ | linxxx are a bunch of kids | Jan 24 23:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9145439/Vendor_retracts_claim_of_Adobe_flaw_s_part_in_Google_attack | Jan 24 23:31 |
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| _Goblin | they also seem to be good friends with Lefty. | Jan 24 23:31 |
| schestowitz | ender2070__: all 2 of them | Jan 24 23:31 |
| _Goblin | and are linked to BBN | Jan 24 23:31 |
| ender2070__ | i got a screenshot of one of them suggesting using copies of pirated win7 | Jan 24 23:32 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: why mention the slime? | Jan 24 23:32 |
| _Goblin | and EllXnd_RXXD and VerofaXo | Jan 24 23:32 |
| schestowitz | THey are not worth attention | Jan 24 23:32 |
| ender2070__ | they are linxxx ppl? | Jan 24 23:32 |
| _Goblin | yep | Jan 24 23:32 |
| schestowitz | It's a distraction | Jan 24 23:32 |
| schestowitz | ANd libel | Jan 24 23:32 |
| schestowitz | We'd better focus on the issues, that what the trolls try to disrupt | Jan 24 23:33 |
| _Goblin | they don't really distract me, its interesting to guage how good an opinion is by how much they try to insult others. | Jan 24 23:34 |
| ender2070__ | the more they freak out, the more it validates what you've done recently | Jan 24 23:34 |
| _Goblin | exactlt | Jan 24 23:34 |
| _Goblin | exactly | Jan 24 23:34 |
| cubezzz | there's too much noise on the net | Jan 24 23:36 |
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| ender2070__ | theres a little bit of noise | Jan 24 23:38 |
| cubezzz | people should consider what they say carefully before posting | Jan 24 23:39 |
| _Goblin | very true, its my blogs motto | Jan 24 23:39 |
| cubezzz | just put some thought into it | Jan 24 23:39 |
| _Goblin | "Beware of what you say and to whom" | Jan 24 23:39 |
| ender2070__ | good call | Jan 24 23:41 |
| ender2070__ | why does microsoft bother with commercials | Jan 24 23:47 |
| cubezzz | mindshare | Jan 24 23:49 |
| ender2070__ | they hardly have to advertise when you need to go out of your way NOT to purchase ms | Jan 24 23:49 |
| cubezzz | got to keep brainwashing the masses | Jan 24 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | Giving the illusion that "people" choose Windows" | Jan 24 23:57 |
| schestowitz | "People-ready" | Jan 24 23:57 |
| schestowitz | People choose Windows like they "choose" to spend time in the toilet | Jan 24 23:57 |
| _Goblin | hey! I like spending time in the toilet... | Jan 24 23:58 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/19874786 : "@dpkgregor Theora isn't actually better than h.264 or even Dirac. But it's open source and not patent encumbered. And that should count !fsf" | Jan 24 23:58 |
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| _Goblin | get the most reading done there! | Jan 24 23:58 |
| _Goblin | read that scripting book on the loo. | Jan 24 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Some people throw up there | Jan 24 23:58 |
| schestowitz | So I guess we need involuntary example | Jan 24 23:58 |
| _Goblin | that could make reading difficult | Jan 24 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Choosing WIndows is like choosing to throw up | Jan 24 23:59 |
| _Goblin | thats better. | Jan 24 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Although bulimics and anorexic make an exception there too | Jan 24 23:59 |
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