| oiaohm | On a local scale. | Feb 03 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Chips_B_Malroy | Mulitnational control spending by lobbists. and politicains are not cutting back spending here, except short term. They love to spend. Its in their nature to spend | Feb 03 00:00 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: no, it's when nations stop trading in it that it collapses | Feb 03 00:00 |
| schestowitz | The world still trades mostly in USD | Feb 03 00:00 |
| jweyrich | what makes the money be worth more or less? the demand of new money. | Feb 03 00:00 |
| oiaohm | Ie currency don't show it but what people pay in shops can still show it jweyrich | Feb 03 00:00 |
| schestowitz | If the USD gets marginalised, then it becomes a niche currency | Feb 03 00:00 |
| oiaohm | The rules of money will happen no matter what you do jweyrich | Feb 03 00:00 |
| oiaohm | Even if we had 1 gobal currency. | Feb 03 00:01 |
| oiaohm | there would still be areas suffering from inflation and deflation | Feb 03 00:01 |
| oiaohm | Against the gobal currency. | Feb 03 00:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If the USA economic system collaspes, so won't the EU | Feb 03 00:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | in general | Feb 03 00:01 |
| oiaohm | All you do by combinding currency is make it more invisable on numbers. | Feb 03 00:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | we are too interdepenant | Feb 03 00:01 |
| oiaohm | Really only reason the recent collaspes hit the EU is you banks were not independant enough. | Feb 03 00:02 |
| jweyrich | schestowitz: importing/exporting is a a necessity of every country. it's natural resources. it impacts directly on the valuation of money of a country vs another. | Feb 03 00:02 |
| jweyrich | but the big deal is when you produce more money. | Feb 03 00:03 |
| oiaohm | Really no jweyrich | Feb 03 00:03 |
| oiaohm | USD holds up because its a trading currency. | Feb 03 00:03 |
| oiaohm | Not because if USA imports and exports. | Feb 03 00:03 |
| jweyrich | yes, it does. | Feb 03 00:04 |
| jweyrich | it became a standard currency | Feb 03 00:04 |
| oiaohm | If it was based on USA imports and exports it would not be worth as much. | Feb 03 00:04 |
| jweyrich | that's what are saving their asses. | Feb 03 00:04 |
| jweyrich | s/are/is/ | Feb 03 00:04 |
| jweyrich | but importing/exporting is less important than fabricating money. | Feb 03 00:04 |
| oiaohm | Value of money is directly linked to what is traded in it. | Feb 03 00:04 |
| oiaohm | countries have no meaning to money. | Feb 03 00:05 |
| jweyrich | no, it's directly linked to how much of it is produced, compared to how much natural resources you have. | Feb 03 00:05 |
| oiaohm | Nop jweyrich | Feb 03 00:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I forgot who said this, or something similar to this: "when people realize that they can just vote themselves money in a republic............" the basic problem with that statement was, in a republic, the nation is made up of representatives. Representatives, do not have to do the bidding of the voters, but of the lobbists. | Feb 03 00:05 |
| oiaohm | There is example after example of currencies not linked ot anything countires do. | Feb 03 00:06 |
| oiaohm | Even the oldest currenty gold. jweyrich | Feb 03 00:06 |
| jweyrich | gold is worth nothing until someone says it is. it's natural resource. | Feb 03 00:06 |
| jweyrich | it's "rare", and it makes it be more valuable. | Feb 03 00:07 |
| jweyrich | like so is the money. | Feb 03 00:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | scare supply of gold and silver is part of what made it valueable | Feb 03 00:07 |
| jweyrich | less money, more value. | Feb 03 00:07 |
| oiaohm | Gold is not exactly that rare compare to a lot of items. | Feb 03 00:07 |
| jweyrich | that was figurative. | Feb 03 00:07 |
| oiaohm | But it is a useful matterial to make a lot of things. | Feb 03 00:07 |
| jweyrich | just for understanding. | Feb 03 00:07 |
| oiaohm | Gold is mostly rare due to large hordings. of it. | Feb 03 00:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roman empire, went from Gold and Silver standard completely, to debasing the currency with common metals, then to a barter system, when nobody wanted the worthless coins near the end. | Feb 03 00:08 |
| oiaohm | About the only thing countries control is how much of there money is out there so effecting how rare it is. | Feb 03 00:08 |
| jweyrich | supply and demand. being it natural resource or not. that's what makes X more valuable compared to Y. | Feb 03 00:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | What happened to the Romans, will happen again | Feb 03 00:09 |
| oiaohm | And demard on a item is not set by a single country in most cases jweyrich | Feb 03 00:09 |
| oiaohm | Olden times cross country prices would have been set in gold. These days they are set in USD. | Feb 03 00:10 |
| jweyrich | oiaohm: imagine you have half of the money of your country. and tomorrow the central bank trades the public treasury for more money.. let's say, it doubles the amount of money in your country. how much is your money worth after that? | Feb 03 00:10 |
| jweyrich | s/public/national | Feb 03 00:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Right now money is only worth what it is worth in comparision to other currencies. As what currency is based on a gold and silver standard anymore? | Feb 03 00:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/188066/atandt_posts_3_billion_net_income.html?tk=rss_news Good for the homeless? | Feb 03 00:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: AT&T Posts $3 Billion Net Income - PCWorld .::. Size~: 70.64 KB | Feb 03 00:11 |
| oiaohm | Ever wonder why goverments hold gold reserves. | Feb 03 00:11 |
| oiaohm | The ammount of money is all the goverment has control of jweyrich | Feb 03 00:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Even the USA still has Fort Know | Feb 03 00:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Knox | Feb 03 00:11 |
| jweyrich | oiaohm: full control you mean. | Feb 03 00:12 |
| oiaohm | Yes doubling supply will destroy value of trade of the money. | Feb 03 00:12 |
| oiaohm | Not full control of jweyrich | Feb 03 00:12 |
| jweyrich | why not? | Feb 03 00:12 |
| oiaohm | There are cases when things get realy bad that local made up currencies appear. | Feb 03 00:12 |
| oiaohm | Like when buying a loaf of bread needs 40 kg of goverment money that money is no longer workable. | Feb 03 00:13 |
| oiaohm | So people either go back to barter or create a new currency. | Feb 03 00:13 |
| oiaohm | So goverment only ever has part control. | Feb 03 00:14 |
| jweyrich | it's wide known as bankruptcy. | Feb 03 00:14 |
| _goblin | good evening all. | Feb 03 00:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz I think the original Nicola McLean photo had her holding some sort of music player | Feb 03 00:14 | |
| oiaohm | Money is all about trade. Heck some countries they don't use there local currency because it worthless. | Feb 03 00:14 |
| oiaohm | Ie another solution to my goverment stuffed our money. Use someone elses. jweyrich | Feb 03 00:14 |
| jweyrich | I agree with that oiaohm. | Feb 03 00:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Even the price of Gold and Silver does not stay the same. Although Roosevelt set it to $35 an ouce by law here. Still, that did not work | Feb 03 00:15 |
| oiaohm | That is the point countries and money have nothing really linked to it. | Feb 03 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Money is all about trade. Workable trade. The people using it defines it value. | Feb 03 00:15 |
| jweyrich | heh. ok. | Feb 03 00:16 |
| oiaohm | Yes goverment has the power to stuff a countries money up due to controlling the printing presses. | Feb 03 00:16 |
| oiaohm | But forgers of the past also stuffed a countries money up. | Feb 03 00:16 |
| oiaohm | By created too much well forged money. | Feb 03 00:17 |
| jweyrich | yes, but they had natural resources to compensate. | Feb 03 00:17 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: evening, sir | Feb 03 00:17 |
| jweyrich | oil is the major example of that. | Feb 03 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Remember it total what is traded in that countries money. jweyrich | Feb 03 00:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | gold and silver are a commodity too | Feb 03 00:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | look at the spanish empire | Feb 03 00:18 |
| oiaohm | Ie oil goballly is traded in USD. jweyrich | Feb 03 00:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they had lots of gold and silver | Feb 03 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Arab countries want their Euro-like currency | Feb 03 00:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it did not save them | Feb 03 00:18 |
| schestowitz | THey could change how oil is traded | Feb 03 00:18 |
| schestowitz | it never made political sense for them to trade THEIR oil in USD | Feb 03 00:19 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: that would destablise the USD | Feb 03 00:19 |
| schestowitz | But they are somewhat occupied | Feb 03 00:19 |
| schestowitz | It might not make /economic/ sense either to them | Feb 03 00:19 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: how was your filming? | Feb 03 00:19 |
| schestowitz | If the rumour I heard is true, Iran was threatened for suggesting that oil should be traded in Euro | Feb 03 00:19 |
| oiaohm | jweyrich: to truly see money and what it worth you have to forget about countries and just worry about what it trading. | Feb 03 00:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and for them to trade in euro's? | Feb 03 00:20 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: it was great, I reallyt enjoyed it | Feb 03 00:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | only a short term improvement at best | Feb 03 00:20 |
| _goblin | I would have liked to have come down, but work called..... | Feb 03 00:20 |
| oiaohm | Arab want there own currency. Chips_B_Malroy | Feb 03 00:20 |
| jweyrich | oiaohm: I see your point. | Feb 03 00:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm> Arab want there own currency. Chips_B_Malroy" we agree | Feb 03 00:21 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: I'm used to being frilled | Feb 03 00:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but I doubt they get it | Feb 03 00:21 |
| oiaohm | jweyrich: basically a currency trading nothing no matter how much imports or exports a country has is worth nothing. | Feb 03 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Hot seat | Feb 03 00:21 |
| schestowitz | This one was very different, so I was clear and my voice was OK | Feb 03 00:22 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: London surveillance got a lot worse | Feb 03 00:22 |
| oiaohm | And there are many countries with currencys that are worth nothing because all there people use other countries currencies. | Feb 03 00:22 |
| jweyrich | oiaohm: I said that few minutes ago. | Feb 03 00:23 |
| schestowitz | And a lot is being privatised over time | Feb 03 00:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | a currency base only on oil production is a troubled currency | Feb 03 00:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | just look at the Soviet/Russia for that example | Feb 03 00:23 |
| jweyrich | oiaohm: I guess we're talking about same thing, but with different scopes. | Feb 03 00:23 |
| jweyrich | oiaohm: you're talking "overseas", I'm not. | Feb 03 00:23 |
| jweyrich | or at least, I wasn't. | Feb 03 00:24 |
| oiaohm | Soviet Russia also was not trading with others that much. | Feb 03 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Exxon Mobil makes like 4bn in profits per quarter iirc, maybe 16 | Feb 03 00:24 |
| oiaohm | So they did not have trade value to there currency with other countries either. | Feb 03 00:24 |
| oiaohm | Money and trade basically one and the same. | Feb 03 00:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Russians did have manufactoring ability too, arabic countries mostly do not | Feb 03 00:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Turkey still would most likely have the best currency of the bunch | Feb 03 00:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and not the most oil | Feb 03 00:26 |
| oiaohm | Even local. jweyrich | Feb 03 00:26 |
| oiaohm | Why do poor areas have different prices to rich areas. | Feb 03 00:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | local products | Feb 03 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Also low money also means if you want to sell stuff you need lower prices. | Feb 03 00:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and because Ballmer sells windows cheaper in china, hehe | Feb 03 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Lot of rich areas have the money to waste. | Feb 03 00:27 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: ;) .... stopped and searched? | Feb 03 00:27 |
| oiaohm | So there is inflation and deflation of prices based on trade even if the currency does not change price jweyrich | Feb 03 00:28 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: London has got one or two camera's..... | Feb 03 00:28 |
| jweyrich | a) products are build near, or come from distant locations; b) there's a small/huge demand; c) per capita value; | Feb 03 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Even on items traveling the same distance. jweyrich | Feb 03 00:29 |
| oiaohm | I am talking a rich and poor area less than 4 km apart jweyrich | Feb 03 00:29 |
| oiaohm | Same items jweyrich | Feb 03 00:29 |
| jweyrich | you're taking in account the price variance. | Feb 03 00:30 |
| jweyrich | it doesn't say how much your money is worth. | Feb 03 00:30 |
| oiaohm | The currency going up and down causes price variation. | Feb 03 00:30 |
| oiaohm | That is the reason for it moving. | Feb 03 00:30 |
| oiaohm | You money is only worth what it can buy. | Feb 03 00:31 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, yes | Feb 03 00:31 |
| cubezzz | definitely true :) | Feb 03 00:31 |
| oiaohm | So taking account of price variance is also working out how much money is worth to different people. jweyrich | Feb 03 00:33 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: no | Feb 03 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Many cameras | Feb 03 00:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/us/26tents.html | Feb 03 00:34 |
| jweyrich | my money buys the same items here, or 4 km away, in any direction. the same should be true for most places, with few exceptions. I don't see how this affects the value of money. | Feb 03 00:34 |
| oiaohm | That is the complete problem with merging currency it makes it harder to see what is really going on at the local levels. | Feb 03 00:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.64 KB | Feb 03 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: ssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh....... | Feb 03 00:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Cities Deal With a Surge in Shantytowns | Feb 03 00:34 |
| schestowitz | In America, people live ina 4-bedroom house with a green lawn and a labrador | Feb 03 00:34 |
| schestowitz | You're scaring away the toursist ! | Feb 03 00:34 |
| oiaohm | syndey australia 4 km appart the price difference for the same set of goods. Was basically double. | Feb 03 00:34 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: true... | Feb 03 00:34 |
| schestowitz | *tourists (and terrosists) | Feb 03 00:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/188270/mike_manos_quits_digital_realty_trust_joins_nokia.html?tk=rss_news | Feb 03 00:35 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mike Manos Quits Digital Realty Trust, Joins Nokia - PCWorld .::. Size~: 69.89 KB | Feb 03 00:35 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: stats show it does not reduce crime | Feb 03 00:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | how do I ask the bot to search for "tent cities in the us" | Feb 03 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Maybe easier to catch crooks after the act, but I think it's just too much data to process | Feb 03 00:35 |
| oiaohm | That was even bought in the same chain store. jweyrich | Feb 03 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Take one camera per carriege and make it 10 | Feb 03 00:36 |
| schestowitz | What do you have? | Feb 03 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Overburdened with data | Feb 03 00:36 |
| schestowitz | More is sometimes less | Feb 03 00:36 |
| schestowitz | And you shortn retention of the CCTV spool | Feb 03 00:36 |
| oiaohm | So really people in one area money was really to them worth 50 percent less. jweyrich but that really did not matter thinking they made 4 times as much as the other area. | Feb 03 00:37 |
| jweyrich | oiaohm: it doesn't mean the money is more valuable or less. you can buy the same items nearby, for half price. so, the 4kms aren't the reason behind that. | Feb 03 00:37 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: if you carry no mobile, then Oyster, Nectar and bank | Feb 03 00:37 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: if you carry no mobile, then Oyster, Nectar and bank can track you | Feb 03 00:37 |
| oiaohm | jweyrich: It all comes down to what you can buy with it. | Feb 03 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Travel, groceries and transactions logged | Feb 03 00:37 |
| oiaohm | jweyrich: inflation and deflation will happen on a area by area base inside a fixed price currency. | Feb 03 00:38 |
| schestowitz | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100128/ap_en_ce/us_obit_salinger;_ylt=AjmL1vZuQscNgIgY6QavB8ms0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFrcTJpc205BHBvcwMxNjUEc2VjA2FjY29yZGlvbl9lbnRlcnRhaW5tZW50BHNsawNjYXRjaGVyaW50aGU- | Feb 03 00:38 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 'Catcher in the Rye' author J.D. Salinger dies - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 117.26 KB | Feb 03 00:38 |
| jweyrich | I agree with last affirmations. | Feb 03 00:39 |
| oiaohm | jweyrich: controled by supply and demard. ie trade. Like mining towns here. A crappy house that was worth 15 000 the year before the mine can be worth over 1 million due to demard. | Feb 03 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Dollar Collapse Hyper Inflation Comodities Precious Metals Gold Silver 1 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5UbM0Vf9PQ | Feb 03 00:39 |
| jweyrich | again, that's what I said above. I cited 3 points, in which B was demand. | Feb 03 00:39 |
| oiaohm | So join currencies don't stop inflation or deflation from happening on local/country scales. jweyrich | Feb 03 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Just means the currency no longer shows it. jweyrich | Feb 03 00:40 |
| jweyrich | it disperses it. | Feb 03 00:40 |
| schestowitz | Volcker the Vulture is there ^_^ | Feb 03 00:40 |
| jweyrich | we're saying the same thing. | Feb 03 00:40 |
| schestowitz | "Everyone should be worried about the deficits.. they are used deficits..." | Feb 03 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Feb 03 00:40 |
| schestowitz | /used/huage/ | Feb 03 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Everything will still pocket. jweyrich | Feb 03 00:41 |
| oiaohm | it happens in the EU since the join currency. jweyrich | Feb 03 00:41 |
| jweyrich | not sure what you mena "will still pocket" | Feb 03 00:41 |
| jweyrich | mean* | Feb 03 00:41 |
| *jweyrich learned english from internet :) | Feb 03 00:42 | |
| oiaohm | Now instead of different price curreny in each country with items are different price adverages. | Feb 03 00:42 |
| oiaohm | pocket/zone jweyrich | Feb 03 00:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/334638/microsoft_exceeds_goal_5000_layoffs?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Feb 03 00:43 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft exceeds goal of 5000 layoffs - layoffs, Microsoft - Techworld .::. Size~: 47.97 KB | Feb 03 00:43 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: well done! | Feb 03 00:43 |
| oiaohm | So you don't destory the inflation or deflation of items in a country by getting rid of the lots of different currentys and changing to one. jweyrich | Feb 03 00:43 |
| jweyrich | schestowitz: haha, thx! | Feb 03 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Just make it harder to see and harder to people to point elected officals to it. jweyrich | Feb 03 00:43 |
| schestowitz | I thought you had migrated from the US/CA to help your countrymen in Brazil | Feb 03 00:44 |
| jweyrich | I agree, and I didn't affirmed that, just to be clear. | Feb 03 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Basically inflation and deflation are two undestroyable factors of trade. | Feb 03 00:44 |
| jweyrich | didn't affirm* | Feb 03 00:44 |
| jweyrich | I understand your points :) | Feb 03 00:45 |
| schestowitz | The UK inflation isn't quite radical ATM | Feb 03 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Making the currenty change else does not mean people in the country will not suffer from inflation or deflation. | Feb 03 00:45 |
| jweyrich | schestowitz: are you from UK? | Feb 03 00:45 |
| oiaohm | else/less | Feb 03 00:45 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if our debt is shrinking or growing. I worry it's the latter. | Feb 03 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Really it hides suffering of people jweyrich | Feb 03 00:45 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: yes, but I try to think globally | Feb 03 00:46 |
| jweyrich | schestowitz: lol. UK is one of the places I wish to spend some part of my life, still :) | Feb 03 00:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX is exactly the opposite | Feb 03 00:46 |
| schestowitz | He thinks of the world as US and non-US | Feb 03 00:46 |
| schestowitz | Not as a global civilisation | Feb 03 00:46 |
| jweyrich | north american? | Feb 03 00:46 |
| schestowitz | He never left it | Feb 03 00:47 |
| schestowitz | He ought to | Feb 03 00:47 |
| schestowitz | He thinks crime in France is worse :-) | Feb 03 00:47 |
| jweyrich | no argumentation then :) | Feb 03 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Cause his mom saw some mugging there once | Feb 03 00:47 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: he wants to spend a day with me....he would have a fit. | Feb 03 00:47 |
| cubezzz | I got him on ignore now | Feb 03 00:48 |
| jweyrich | but I don't blame people for having this thoughts. that's what US sells them. their "beautiful and perfect" country. | Feb 03 00:48 |
| cubezzz | had enough | Feb 03 00:48 |
| oiaohm | MS cannot fire staff for ever. | Feb 03 00:48 |
| jweyrich | china does the same. | Feb 03 00:48 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/us/26tents.html?_r=1 | Feb 03 00:48 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.64 KB | Feb 03 00:48 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: all countries | Feb 03 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Just watch the way travel agents work | Feb 03 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Always selling some picture of a beautiful couple alone in a hotel with a pool and never a cloud in the sky | Feb 03 00:49 |
| jweyrich | I see that around here. not too far. | Feb 03 00:49 |
| jweyrich | but brazil publishes all the country shit. | Feb 03 00:49 |
| schestowitz | I never saw it here | Feb 03 00:49 |
| jweyrich | the media makes tons of money on it. | Feb 03 00:49 |
| schestowitz | I prefer to know what goes on around me, rather than choose delusion | Feb 03 00:50 |
| amarsh04 | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/03/2808808.htm?section=australia | Feb 03 00:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Uni gets back millions from alleged fraud - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) .::. Size~: 22.26 KB | Feb 03 00:50 |
| schestowitz | It's easier to forget about it and just watch television (the escape route) | Feb 03 00:50 |
| jweyrich | so, area 2 has been revealed. want a pic on area 51. | Feb 03 00:51 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: Flinders | Feb 03 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Involved with the Vole recently | Feb 03 00:51 |
| schestowitz | No, not that | Feb 03 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Alien fanaticism | Feb 03 00:51 |
| jweyrich | schestowitz: I chose not to read newspaper or watch tv. | Feb 03 00:51 |
| schestowitz | That's Independence Day | Feb 03 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Hollywood fantasies | Feb 03 00:51 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: good for you | Feb 03 00:52 |
| jweyrich | it has been like that for 5 years now, and I don't miss it in any way. | Feb 03 00:52 |
| schestowitz | I reject the "free" newspapers | Feb 03 00:52 |
| schestowitz | We have temptations around us | Feb 03 00:52 |
| jweyrich | internet is selective. I read what I like. | Feb 03 00:52 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: I can learn more speaking to friends | Feb 03 00:52 |
| schestowitz | It's more interactive too | Feb 03 00:52 |
| jweyrich | not obligated to swallow shit. | Feb 03 00:52 |
| jweyrich | yeah. I like talking to FurnaceBoy. we've been talking a lot since I worked with him | Feb 03 00:53 |
| jweyrich | and IRC is great for that reason. | Feb 03 00:53 |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-youtubes-rental-box-office-totals-flop/ | Feb 03 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Feb 03 00:53 |
| schestowitz | He's pro-Microsoft | Feb 03 00:53 |
| schestowitz | But the numbers do say a lot thoug | Feb 03 00:53 |
| jweyrich | in the few hours I spent here talking to you, I saw more interesting things than I'd see @ TV. | Feb 03 00:54 |
| schestowitz | TV is entertainment | Feb 03 00:54 |
| schestowitz | It's not intended for information | Feb 03 00:54 |
| jweyrich | in what way? | Feb 03 00:54 |
| schestowitz | WHen people swatch on the TV you don't make a dime | Feb 03 00:54 |
| jweyrich | I don't see any entertainment here. | Feb 03 00:54 |
| schestowitz | You need to be sold something | Feb 03 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Advert or misdirection | Feb 03 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Subconsciously | Feb 03 00:54 |
| schestowitz | The fill (film or show) is a distraction in-between the content, which is what the cable/satellite make money from | Feb 03 00:55 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: no | Feb 03 00:55 |
| schestowitz | By entertainment I mean something for duration of use | Feb 03 00:55 |
| jweyrich | I'm atheist, but I advice people going to church instead of watch TV. at least I know the spread values are fine. | Feb 03 00:55 |
| schestowitz | To keep you watching between commercial breaks or "official" news reports | Feb 03 00:56 |
| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/microsoft-looking-into-windows-7-battery-life-failures.ars | Feb 03 00:56 |
| schestowitz | They tell you what the important subjects are | Feb 03 00:56 |
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| jweyrich | ah Ok. | Feb 03 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Their own zeitgeist | Feb 03 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Does not take much thinking were the battery is going. schestowitz | Feb 03 00:56 |
| jweyrich | I used to *mute* tv or put it to sleep during commercials. | Feb 03 00:56 |
| oiaohm | I will bet gpu eating battery for lunch. | Feb 03 00:56 |
| schestowitz | It's a methods to impose a mindset on people, it didn't exist before TV was domesticated | Feb 03 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Same issue Linux on some laptops suffers from | Feb 03 00:56 |
| jweyrich | they are so fucking retards they increase the volume on commercials. | Feb 03 00:56 |
| jweyrich | purposedly. of course. | Feb 03 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 03 00:57 |
| schestowitz | That's truie | Feb 03 00:57 |
| schestowitz | I was goign to mention this | Feb 03 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Their adverts are a form of hypnosis | Feb 03 00:57 |
| schestowitz | It's done by PR people who know how to associated sounds, words, repetition and images with a product | Feb 03 00:57 |
| schestowitz | So even if muted you might absorb some of the "mind control" (changing your reaction to the sight of some item or face) | Feb 03 00:58 |
| jweyrich | schestowitz: that's called neurolinguistics programming. | Feb 03 00:58 |
| jweyrich | it's pretty cool. | Feb 03 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Even a dull picture of Obama smiling would qualify as commerical | Feb 03 00:59 |
| schestowitz | it reinforced love and authority | Feb 03 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Ever seen the film made of 1984? | Feb 03 00:59 |
| jweyrich | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming | Feb 03 00:59 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Neuro-linguistic programming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 140.6 KB | Feb 03 00:59 |
| jweyrich | which one? | Feb 03 00:59 |
| jweyrich | george orwell? | Feb 03 01:00 |
| schestowitz | "There are three main scientific criticisms of NLP. First, critics argue that NLP's claims for scientific respectability are not based on the scientific method. In response advocates of NLP argue that NLP is a pragmatic discipline, largely interested in what "works" rather than existing theory." | Feb 03 01:00 |
| schestowitz | The CIA used to strive to program people to kill | Feb 03 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Not in the traditional methods of installing rage | Feb 03 01:00 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, they suspected the Soviets worked on that too | Feb 03 01:00 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: hold on... | Feb 03 01:00 |
| jweyrich | not sure, I guess I haven't seen that. | Feb 03 01:01 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGMy0n6KqqE | Feb 03 01:01 |
| jweyrich | the only one I know as 1984 is about socialism, etc. | Feb 03 01:01 |
| jweyrich | thanks. | Feb 03 01:02 |
| schestowitz | It has the images in question | Feb 03 01:02 |
| schestowitz | MGM removed the film from YouTUbe (or blocked it) | Feb 03 01:02 |
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| jweyrich | I heard and read about the wiretapping, but I don't know at which point it was really used or contributed to something big. | Feb 03 01:03 |
| jweyrich | break the laws of corporations, go to washington, and get immunity. LOL | Feb 03 01:05 |
| jweyrich | very true. | Feb 03 01:05 |
| jweyrich | bbiab. | Feb 03 01:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.lvrj.com/news/41483592.html | Feb 03 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: can they get bailout, pls? | Feb 03 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Goldman Sachs bonus pool trimmed to $16bn http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jan/21/goldman-sachs-bonus-cut | Feb 03 01:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they did a good job, they need the money | Feb 03 01:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | crooks | Feb 03 01:11 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Feb 03 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Good job | Feb 03 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Depends on the meaning of "good" | Feb 03 01:13 |
| schestowitz | If good means good for their good families, then yes | Feb 03 01:13 |
| jweyrich | lol. | Feb 03 01:14 |
| schestowitz | "but everyone's doin' it!!!" :-) :-) | Feb 03 01:14 |
| jweyrich | good crime, he means. | Feb 03 01:14 |
| schestowitz | "I like Linux, but..." | Feb 03 01:14 |
| jweyrich | schestowitz: just twitted the link you gave earlier on jpmorgan vs sachs -- Hazardous battle within the crime syndicates. | Feb 03 01:14 |
| *jweyrich waiting to be hunt and shot to death | Feb 03 01:15 | |
| schestowitz | Naaa.. | Feb 03 01:15 |
| schestowitz | They only target domestically | Feb 03 01:16 |
| jweyrich | alleviated. | Feb 03 01:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theweek.com/article/index/103608/Guns_for_Goldman_Sachs | Feb 03 01:16 |
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| jweyrich | *sigh* | Feb 03 01:16 |
| schestowitz | They denies it later | Feb 03 01:16 |
| schestowitz | *nied | Feb 03 01:16 |
| schestowitz | "After months of taking heat for their role in the economic meltdown, Goldman Sachs employees are reportedly purchasing handguns for protection against an angry public. The New York Police Department confirms that several Goldman employees have applied for handgun permits. Are pistol-packing bankers really in danger from a violent backlash against Wall Street bailouts and bonuses? (Watch a report about Goldman Sachs bankers | Feb 03 01:16 |
| schestowitz | protecting themselves with pistols)" | Feb 03 01:16 |
| schestowitz | They have police and sniff dogs protecting them | Feb 03 01:17 |
| schestowitz | I find it kind of comical | Feb 03 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Shouldn't the police protect the _public_ from gangsters? | Feb 03 01:17 |
| schestowitz | I guess the police is the private army of whoever the paymasters (public sector->gov->campaign fund/lobby) tells them | Feb 03 01:17 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Feb 03 01:19 |
| jweyrich | let's see how they'll cover the deaths. | Feb 03 01:19 |
| schestowitz | "Bad! Bad public. Punish them... unleash the hounds..." [me thinks of a scene of Flanders from the Simpsons] | Feb 03 01:19 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: "suicided" | Feb 03 01:19 |
| schestowitz | But this is speculation | Feb 03 01:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/22/freddie-mac-cfo-dead-apparent-suicide/ | Feb 03 01:20 |
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| jweyrich | that excuse won't last long. | Feb 03 01:20 |
| schestowitz | I am thinking along the lines of Dr. Kelly here | Feb 03 01:20 |
| schestowitz | "Apparent" suicide | Feb 03 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he was "suicided", I don't know.. | Feb 03 01:21 |
| jweyrich | NY reports "a wave of suicides" | Feb 03 01:21 |
| jweyrich | NYT* | Feb 03 01:21 |
| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124040188797343215.html | Feb 03 01:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Freddie Mac's Acting CFO Found Dead - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 122.91 KB | Feb 03 01:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/david-kellermann-freddie-mac-acting-cfo-found-dead-virginia | Feb 03 01:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: David Kellermann, Freddie Mac Acting CFO, Found Dead in Virginia | NowPublic News Coverage .::. Size~: 51.22 KB | Feb 03 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | he's not alone, just the only example I can remember at this moment | Feb 03 01:21 |
| tessier | Maybe he needed that pistol afterall... | Feb 03 01:22 |
| jweyrich | lol | Feb 03 01:22 |
| jweyrich | self protection, sure. | Feb 03 01:22 |
| schestowitz | Self promotion | Feb 03 01:22 |
| jweyrich | who doesn't need one nowadays? it's violent out there. | Feb 03 01:22 |
| schestowitz | /sarcasm | Feb 03 01:22 |
| schestowitz | He wanted to make the headlines... j/k | Feb 03 01:22 |
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| jweyrich | "public money wasn't enough. I wanted to debug @ hollywood movies" | Feb 03 01:23 |
| jweyrich | debut* | Feb 03 01:23 |
| schestowitz | I always think it would be scary to be called a person who committed suicide (i.e. crazy and unstable) after someone had murdered you and walked away | Feb 03 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Adding insult to -injury- death | Feb 03 01:24 |
| jweyrich | dead people scared? lol | Feb 03 01:24 |
| schestowitz | "Miss Smith, your son was not a poor victim of homicide, he was an unstable depressed person who didn't love his family, so he shot himself without leaving even a letter" | Feb 03 01:25 |
| jweyrich | I don't know a single person who trusts the govern/police. | Feb 03 01:26 |
| jweyrich | but, thinking about that, I'm a geek. I know at most 5 people. | Feb 03 01:27 |
| schestowitz | The Dr. Kelly investigation -- whatever is in there (maybe nothing but a real suicide) -- raises the question about the system's defence of the truth that they seal for 70 years. Were that you, or me, or her, or them, would the police defend the truth? | Feb 03 01:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?blogid=19&entry_id=56052 | Feb 03 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | Where is Yahoo's old CEO today..? | Feb 03 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | I can't imagine a young successful guy killing himself... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124040188797343215.html | Feb 03 01:29 |
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| schestowitz | [see photo] | Feb 03 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Unless he was hiding some numbers | Feb 03 01:29 |
| schestowitz | But that would have surfaced by now, through accounting probes | Feb 03 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Nothing came up like ENron | Feb 03 01:29 |
| jweyrich | he was hiding a bit. the sign bit :P | Feb 03 01:29 |
| schestowitz | "Fairfax County police, responding to a 911 call at 4:48 a.m., found Mr. Kellermann's body in the basement of the home he shared with his wife, Donna, and 6-year-old daughter, Grace, in the Hunter Mill Estates subdivision in a Washington, D.C., suburb. A police spokesman wouldn't provide details on Mr. Kellermann's death but said there were no signs of foul play." | Feb 03 01:30 |
| jweyrich | take the P2 case | Feb 03 01:30 |
| jweyrich | same thing. | Feb 03 01:30 |
| schestowitz | "Mr. Kellermann was involved in recent tense discussions with officials at FHFA over how to disclose the potential financial effects of the Obama administration's plan to prevent millions of foreclosures by offering easier terms to borrowers, according to a former colleague." | Feb 03 01:30 |
| jweyrich | roberto calvi didn't commit suicide. | Feb 03 01:31 |
| jweyrich | but police and everyone else said so. | Feb 03 01:31 |
| jweyrich | further investigations shown he didn't, but took 20 years for the family to proof that. | Feb 03 01:31 |
| schestowitz | He had a very young kid | Feb 03 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | Some people wonder the same thing about Alan Turing | Feb 03 01:32 |
| schestowitz | Been like half a century | Feb 03 01:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@ wilw Got an e-mail from Lulu offering 15% off all purchases today and tomorrow. ... My books, etc // Strike Two, Mr Crusher | Feb 03 01:33 | |
| schestowitz | I recenytly heard they had found him with a poisoned apple (like in the statue) | Feb 03 01:34 |
| schestowitz | It sounds a little too Snow White-like... | Feb 03 01:34 |
| schestowitz | He was a bright scientist, I don't think painful and uncertain death with poison would be a chosen route for him | Feb 03 01:34 |
| schestowitz | The rumours say he was a shame to the govt because he popularised homosexuality | Feb 03 01:35 |
| schestowitz | In a time it was illegal | Feb 03 01:35 |
| schestowitz | He was pardoned provided he took those female hormones and grew breasts | Feb 03 01:35 |
| schestowitz | So they blamed depression on it | Feb 03 01:35 |
| schestowitz | I can understand why debt-saddled farmers swallow montanto pesticides to kill themselves | Feb 03 01:36 |
| schestowitz | It's harder to explain why smart people who do it to themselves rather than seek professional treatment | Feb 03 01:37 |
| schestowitz | Until the govt. unseals the Dr. Kelly documents it only stirs up distrust, IMHO | Feb 03 01:37 |
| schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/new-zealand-school-shows-microsoft-the-door | Feb 03 01:38 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | during the great depression many rich people did themselves in | Feb 03 01:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so far, this time, its affected the poor and middle class here more than the rich | Feb 03 01:39 |
| jweyrich | sorry. bit busy here. bbl. | Feb 03 01:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but then, there has been not real stock market crash to compare with 1927 | Feb 03 01:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which caused the rich to lose their fortuens | Feb 03 01:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Stocks are the real currency for the rich, not dollars or euros | Feb 03 01:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Gates and his foundation's money, is mostly all stocks | Feb 03 01:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as example | Feb 03 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 03 01:43 |
| schestowitz | Investments | Feb 03 01:43 |
| schestowitz | LA Times uncovered some of those | Feb 03 01:43 |
| schestowitz | But the portfolio is not public info | Feb 03 01:43 |
| schestowitz | You're supposed to imagine the money putting medicine on shelves and stuff | Feb 03 01:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as long as the stock market does not collaspe, neither do most of the rich | Feb 03 01:44 |
| schestowitz | They always use PR to distract from this picture of a pool of coins that they swin in | Feb 03 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: many small business were gone with a whimper, not a bang | Feb 03 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Palamida...... | Feb 03 01:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yes, Roy, you and those here in this room, are some of the few to look beyond the PR | Feb 03 01:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ietf.org/ | Feb 03 01:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg06965.html | Feb 03 01:45 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Gates never had a record of being a charitable type of person, before the foundation, that is. | Feb 03 01:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | In fact, he might have been the biggest tight a** of all time | Feb 03 01:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or at least close to it | Feb 03 01:48 |
| schestowitz | I have a book about it | Feb 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | I ought to post some links first | Feb 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | I have a lot of catching up to do, then I want to read this new book I got | Feb 03 01:52 |
| oiaohm | NZ postal service is lining up to show MS the door as well. | Feb 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | First hand experience from the Edstroms | Feb 03 01:52 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, they started with Google Apps | Feb 03 01:53 |
| oiaohm | MS cannot keep on being shown the door without some effect at some time. | Feb 03 01:53 |
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| schestowitz | They gradually lose margins | Feb 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | Then they'll lose grip | Feb 03 01:53 |
| oiaohm | And the same can happen to google in time. | Feb 03 01:53 |
| schestowitz | It's already zero or below zero in many markets | Feb 03 01:53 |
| oiaohm | But google really does not care. | Feb 03 01:53 |
| oiaohm | Ie make profit while making profit is good. | Feb 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | There is a lot of hanging makrt out there | Feb 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | But OS becomes commodity | Feb 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | For Apple too | Feb 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | They sell hardwae | Feb 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | That's their business model | Feb 03 01:54 |
| schestowitz | So we do to OS what the Internet does to newspapers/books | Feb 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.kdenews.org/2010/01/24/tiltos-introduces-kde-applications-haiku | Feb 03 01:55 |
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| oiaohm | The hardware companies will slowly become more and more dominate again | Feb 03 01:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/3257753/Regional-council-adopts-open-source | Feb 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | ms nz is a mess | Feb 03 01:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Regional council adopts open source - technology | Stuff.co.nz .::. Size~: 47.34 KB | Feb 03 01:56 |
| schestowitz | departures too | Feb 03 01:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] In Soviet Russia, Nietzsche quotes YOU! | Feb 03 01:57 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | off topic, remember this fat cat: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/jan/27/carl-icahn-could-get-ok-fontainebleau-hearing/ | Feb 03 01:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://joshualandis.com/blog/?p=5164 | Feb 03 01:58 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | The rich just got richer | Feb 03 01:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | icahn that is | Feb 03 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I think he got sued | Feb 03 01:59 |
| schestowitz | That gansgster | Feb 03 01:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 150 million for a project that had 2 billion invested in it | Feb 03 01:59 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/30/no-yahoo-for-microsoft-carl-icahn-sued-by-goldman-sachs/ | Feb 03 01:59 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: No Yahoo! for Microsoft, Carl Icahn Sued by Goldman Sachs | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 106.25 KB | Feb 03 01:59 |
| schestowitz | "corporate raider" | Feb 03 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Nice job title, eh? | Feb 03 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Professional vulture | Feb 03 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Like Myhrvold and chums | Feb 03 02:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and he owns Tropicana too | Feb 03 02:00 |
| schestowitz | http://yuenhoe.co.cc/blog/2010/01/the-web-the-desktop-and-the-google-between/ | Feb 03 02:02 |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: "ownes" | Feb 03 02:02 |
| schestowitz | OWNS | Feb 03 02:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "With an estimated net worth of $9 billion, Icahn is ranked No. 43 on Forbes' list of the world's wealthiest people." | Feb 03 02:02 |
| schestowitz | The notion of ownership is also poorly understood | Feb 03 02:02 |
| schestowitz | People don't really own all objects, if any | Feb 03 02:02 |
| schestowitz | They own their body | Feb 03 02:02 |
| schestowitz | And then there's nature | Feb 03 02:02 |
| schestowitz | The "Commons" | Feb 03 02:03 |
| schestowitz | The scarcities are another matter | Feb 03 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: So he has some years left to create to create a pet charity | Feb 03 02:03 |
| schestowitz | To whitewash his image before he drops dead like Falwell | Feb 03 02:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/01/23/new-flavours-of-ubuntu-being-developed-in-ireland/ | Feb 03 02:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Czajkowski » Blog Archive » New flavours of Ubuntu being developed in Ireland .::. Size~: 22.72 KB | Feb 03 02:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | He is a comment from the same link by iwonder: "if carl icahn makes money on any deal, it is because he does so on the backs of the people who work for him in non-executive jobs. take the acep properties--charlies on boulder and decatur, stratosphere, and aquarius in laughlin--no raises for employees for years kept the overhead down and cooked the books so it appeared that the margin was increasing. then, upon selli | Feb 03 02:06 |
| schestowitz | http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/2010/01/23/slackware-13-revisit/ | Feb 03 02:06 |
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| schestowitz | The problem I have with gangsters like Icahn is that the make the West look bad | Feb 03 02:07 |
| schestowitz | They also put capitalism to shame | Feb 03 02:07 |
| schestowitz | They should be locked up like Madoff, IMHO | Feb 03 02:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Icann, the buddy of Ballmer | Feb 03 02:07 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu was not defeated against XP really. | Feb 03 02:08 |
| oiaohm | Delayed yes. Not defeated. | Feb 03 02:08 |
| schestowitz | http://sourceforge.net/blog/clarifying-sourceforgenets-denial-of-site-access-for-certain-persons-in-accordance-with-us-law/ | Feb 03 02:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Not gangser, just a businessman, hehe | Feb 03 02:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.etenilsrealm.nl/weblog/ | Feb 03 02:10 |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: he makes business look bad | Feb 03 02:10 |
| schestowitz | As I said, some people do business fairly | Feb 03 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Gates is corrupt | Feb 03 02:10 |
| schestowitz | You can see the exhibits and everything | Feb 03 02:10 |
| schestowitz | So these people make business in the West look bad | Feb 03 02:10 |
| schestowitz | They teach children that bribery is good and pays off and can be whitewashed later | Feb 03 02:11 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Gates has educated a few of us that the system (gov) can be bought, that is all | Feb 03 02:12 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | most people are victums of his media inspired PR, and think him a genius and the savior of the world | Feb 03 02:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | There is some hope that the foundation will someday turn into a better foundation. After all at some point, the leadership of those running it will change | Feb 03 02:14 |
| oiaohm | Time destories all empires | Feb 03 02:14 |
| yuhong | schestowitz: Have you seen my IRC chat debunking this article: | Feb 03 02:14 |
| yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/23/vista-7-cannot-be-fixed/ | Feb 03 02:14 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Vista 7 Security “Cannot be Fixed. Its a Design Problem.” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 113.64 KB | Feb 03 02:15 |
| oiaohm | MS is no different. | Feb 03 02:15 |
| yuhong | Of course. | Feb 03 02:15 |
| oiaohm | The hard part about destoring Linux is how many indvidiual empires it has. | Feb 03 02:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | oiaohm> this is true, even MS could change. But I bet not in my lifetime | Feb 03 02:16 |
| cubezzz | we have gcc, so you can't destroy linux | Feb 03 02:17 |
| oiaohm | I still remember when word perfect was the dominate word processor | Feb 03 02:17 |
| oiaohm | and that was not really that long ago in the scales of time. | Feb 03 02:17 |
| cubezzz | the genie is out of the bottle | Feb 03 02:17 |
| yuhong | I think MS will change in my lifetime, but it is still years away. | Feb 03 02:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | untime Gates/Ballmer, and many of the core group that started MS are gone or have no stock in it, it will not change. Unless pressure from outside like the EU | Feb 03 02:17 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/GNU/Linux_Market_Share#Net_Applications | Feb 03 02:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: GNU/Linux Market Share - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 19.81 KB | Feb 03 02:18 |
| schestowitz | It's time for the 'press' (sheep) to stop the echo chamber; Net Applications is not statistics and it's Microsoft-sponsored | Feb 03 02:18 |
| yuhong | And that is probably years away. | Feb 03 02:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *until | Feb 03 02:18 |
| yuhong | Chips_B_Malroy: And that is probably years away. | Feb 03 02:19 |
| oiaohm | I don't see how they can. yuhong | Feb 03 02:19 |
| yuhong | I think it probably can, but it is years away, I remember discussing it before. | Feb 03 02:19 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: evolve. | Feb 03 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Cutting staff numbers sooner or later you simply drown under you own workload. yuhong | Feb 03 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is becoming history | Feb 03 02:19 |
| schestowitz | They tried to evolve | Feb 03 02:19 |
| schestowitz | They failed | Feb 03 02:19 |
| yuhong | I know. | Feb 03 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Bong LOST market share | Feb 03 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Globally | Feb 03 02:19 |
| yuhong | I know. | Feb 03 02:19 |
| oiaohm | I see MS killing self. | Feb 03 02:20 |
| schestowitz | They are going on lyingh | Feb 03 02:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Or the day that I can go to the local discount store like best buy or office max/depot and buy a laptop with linux on it, then MS will change. Change for gone. | Feb 03 02:20 |
| schestowitz | It's the only method they understand | Feb 03 02:20 |
| yuhong | I know. | Feb 03 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Apple will stay for a while | Feb 03 02:20 |
| schestowitz | They perform well among rich people | Feb 03 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Decay of MS markets are getting faster. | Feb 03 02:21 |
| yuhong | And Google probably even longer. | Feb 03 02:21 |
| oiaohm | And we don't even have Active Directory and emulation to exechange on Linux servers yet. | Feb 03 02:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <schestowitz> "They tried to evolve" Have to disagree with you Roy, MS never tried to evolve much. They tried to control and lockin. They never fixed their product | Feb 03 02:21 |
| oiaohm | Google will out live MS. | Feb 03 02:21 |
| yuhong | It certainly will. | Feb 03 02:22 |
| oiaohm | Only thing that will kill google in the next 20 years is if they get stupid management | Feb 03 02:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/02/5-factors-that-are-set-to-challenge.html | Feb 03 02:22 |
| oiaohm | Or someone designs a better search engine. | Feb 03 02:22 |
| schestowitz | I like this blog | Feb 03 02:22 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: 5 factors that are set to challenge the dominance of Windows in the future. | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 95.3 KB | Feb 03 02:22 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Or someone designs a better search engine. | Feb 03 02:22 |
| phIRCe-BNc | I like this blog | Feb 03 02:22 |
| yuhong | Which is unlikely, very unlikely. | Feb 03 02:22 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no, they did diversify | Feb 03 02:22 |
| yuhong | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/microsoft-looking-into-windows-7-battery-life-failures.ars | Feb 03 02:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft looking into Windows 7 battery life failures .::. Size~: 30.58 KB | Feb 03 02:23 |
| schestowitz | And now, 5 years too late, in MSO2010 they try to imitate Google | Feb 03 02:23 |
| schestowitz | "Coming from behind" as the BBC put it this month | Feb 03 02:23 |
| schestowitz | To which I reply, "indeed" | Feb 03 02:23 |
| schestowitz | Even "cumming" | Feb 03 02:23 |
| oiaohm | Thinking orcale is planing of sending openoffice into the cloud as well. | Feb 03 02:24 |
| schestowitz | But they never gained on them | Feb 03 02:24 |
| schestowitz | Not in phones | Feb 03 02:24 |
| oiaohm | Things are going to get messy. | Feb 03 02:24 |
| schestowitz | Not in search | Feb 03 02:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <schestowitz>" Chips_B_Malroy: no, they did diversify" diversify yes. But their core products, winows and office never evolved. They become worse. | Feb 03 02:24 |
| schestowitz | And not in online office suites | Feb 03 02:24 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: less it less | Feb 03 02:24 |
| yuhong | AFRIK, on the 17 years old Windows bug, it relates to NTVDM | Feb 03 02:24 |
| oiaohm | So is MS vs Orcale and Google. Neither Orcale and Google are against each other. | Feb 03 02:24 |
| yuhong | The part of Windows that runs DOS apps. | Feb 03 02:24 |
| oiaohm | There are other old errors as well. | Feb 03 02:25 |
| cubezzz | it was a forced upgrade method | Feb 03 02:25 |
| cubezzz | "you have to have windows blah blah" | Feb 03 02:25 |
| oiaohm | Like ndis error that was just as old reason why over 12 month old network drivers don't work correctly any more. | Feb 03 02:25 |
| yuhong | I am sure, but this one is a security bug. | Feb 03 02:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer has proven he cannot beat Google | Feb 03 02:26 |
| oiaohm | That one goes back to the birth of NT. | Feb 03 02:26 |
| oiaohm | So is the network stack one yuhong | Feb 03 02:26 |
| yuhong | Yep. | Feb 03 02:26 |
| yuhong | But this one is a security bug. | Feb 03 02:26 |
| cubezzz | planned obsolescence :) | Feb 03 02:26 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of really old bugs turning up in the NT system. | Feb 03 02:26 |
| yuhong | I don't think so. | Feb 03 02:26 |
| cubezzz | for a smoother cash flow | Feb 03 02:26 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: I think so. I know so. | Feb 03 02:27 |
| schestowitz | We can show you article | Feb 03 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Windows is expensive to maintain | Feb 03 02:27 |
| schestowitz | They stil patch win2k | Feb 03 02:27 |
| cubezzz | once the OEM's break free that will be the end | Feb 03 02:27 |
| schestowitz | They need engineers who know the code | Feb 03 02:27 |
| yuhong | I mean "planned obsolescence" comment. | Feb 03 02:28 |
| schestowitz | With Linux there's no upgrade cost | Feb 03 02:28 |
| cubezzz | and not soon enough it was :) | Feb 03 02:28 |
| yuhong | Of course not. | Feb 03 02:28 |
| schestowitz | So your Fedora users just leap to the next version easily | Feb 03 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Same with WordPress | Feb 03 02:28 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, or not | Feb 03 02:28 |
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| cubezzz | I still use 2.4 for some things | Feb 03 02:28 |
| schestowitz | You don't still patch Wordpress 1.2, 1., 1.6... | Feb 03 02:28 |
| schestowitz | +TESTING | Feb 03 02:28 |
| yuhong | I know. | Feb 03 02:28 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: 2.4 is widely used | Feb 03 02:28 |
| schestowitz | WIndows is more than a kernel | Feb 03 02:29 |
| schestowitz | 2.4 just need the security patches | Feb 03 02:29 |
| cubezzz | either it's planned obsolescence, or microsoft is incompetent | Feb 03 02:29 |
| cubezzz | which one? | Feb 03 02:29 |
| schestowitz | No longer stability things, maybe some hanging null pointer | Feb 03 02:29 |
| schestowitz | Greg K-H does some older 2.6 branches | Feb 03 02:29 |
| schestowitz | I think Red Hat has people maintaining 2.4 | Feb 03 02:29 |
| schestowitz | For RHEL 3 | Feb 03 02:29 |
| schestowitz | http://openattitude.com/2010/02/01/is-android-really-open-really/ Probably a fair point there when it's pointed out | Feb 03 02:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Is Android really open? Really? | Open attitude. .::. Size~: 21.37 KB | Feb 03 02:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Vista and Seven offered nothing to users to upgrade from XP, nothing of value. Its was worse in fact. Therefore, 80% of sales were OEM sales. Windows 8 is supposed to be more NT kernel goodness as well. What can it offer, to beat the 80% OEM sales figure? | Feb 03 02:30 |
| cubezzz | When the OEMs break free... that is the end of big M | Feb 03 02:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Only one thing I can see, better security is only thing MS has left to sell in its newer versionis | Feb 03 02:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and most likely windows users will not get that | Feb 03 02:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its why M$ is doomed | Feb 03 02:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | among other reasons | Feb 03 02:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS will not go out easy | Feb 03 02:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2010/02/android_to_reig_1.html;jsessionid=EJM1PQ4LIZBQTQE1GHRSKHWATMY32JVN | Feb 03 02:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | on their way down they will strike out at others | Feb 03 02:33 |
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| cubezzz | I got my GNU gpl shield ready :) | Feb 03 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: or do entryism | Feb 03 02:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they will sue other corps, users, patent holders, etc | Feb 03 02:33 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism | Feb 03 02:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Entryism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 51.25 KB | Feb 03 02:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 03 02:34 |
| schestowitz | Entryism (or entrism or enterism) is a political tactic by which an organisation or state encourages its members or agents to infiltrate another organisation in an attempt to gain recruits, or take over entirely. | Feb 03 02:34 |
| schestowitz | In situations where the organisation being "entered" is hostile to entryism, the entryists may engage in a degree of subterfuge to hide the fact that they are, in fact, an organisation in their own right. | Feb 03 02:34 |
| schestowitz | Entryism does not involve dissolving the small organisation into the larger one. Entryism is often (but not always) done secretly and often in organisations run on democratic centralist lines. The strategy of entryism is as old as politics itself.[1] | Feb 03 02:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 03 02:34 |
| schestowitz | Think of: | Feb 03 02:34 |
| schestowitz | *Ubuntu | Feb 03 02:34 |
| schestowitz | *Yahoo | Feb 03 02:34 |
| schestowitz | *VMware | Feb 03 02:34 |
| schestowitz | *Novell | Feb 03 02:34 |
| schestowitz | And the list goes on | Feb 03 02:34 |
| schestowitz | They manage to put a former Microsoft manager in charge of Ubuntu desktop | Feb 03 02:34 |
| cubezzz | "Linux is the multi-headed Hydra" :) | Feb 03 02:34 |
| schestowitz | They put their MVP Miguel de Icaza in charge of a lot of Novell stuff | Feb 03 02:35 |
| schestowitz | Nat Friedman was a Microsoft worker | Feb 03 02:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not all ms employees are promoting ms. The ones placed at Novell are, no question, same with the ones at Ubuntu | Feb 03 02:35 |
| cubezzz | actually any OS that is open source and compileable is good | Feb 03 02:35 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: is "hydra" Ballmer's nickname? :-) | Feb 03 02:35 |
| cubezzz | I think so | Feb 03 02:36 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Yes Open Office is probably going to the cloud read this one. Not a direct link to the article, because of comments. http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010013000435OSBZCY | Feb 03 02:36 |
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| cubezzz | they can "enter away" | Feb 03 02:37 |
| cubezzz | I have a big collection of source code and Linux iso's | Feb 03 02:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Its easy to fool the tech press this quarter when you pay most of them in some way, or advertise on their sites. Or some are just too lazy to look beyond the press release. | Feb 03 02:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But what about next quarter, what Rabbit will Festor pull out of his hat then? | Feb 03 02:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I think he is out of Wabbits. | Feb 03 02:38 |
| cubezzz | He's probably hurting Microsoft now | Feb 03 02:39 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/02/premier-subscribers-live-chat-with-ubuntus-mark-shuttleworth.ars | Feb 03 02:40 |
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| cubezzz | let me know if anyone in North America is selling ARM based laptops | Feb 03 02:41 |
| cubezzz | I'm still looking :-/ | Feb 03 02:41 |
| cubezzz | and actually _shipping_ | Feb 03 02:41 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2010020202535INDV Not a direct link since comments on Linux Today. | Feb 03 02:41 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Today - Miguel de Icaza speaks .::. Size~: 81.11 KB | Feb 03 02:41 |
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| sebsebseb | I haven't read proper article yet, reading comments first :D | Feb 03 02:42 |
| cubezzz | I understand why adoption of Linux is a bit slow | Feb 03 02:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <cubezzz> Ebay | Feb 03 02:42 |
| cubezzz | when I first used Unix I didn't really like it | Feb 03 02:42 |
| yuhong | BTW, on the matter of MS's recommendation to upgrade to IE 8 in response to the China attacks, some of it is because IE 8 has better security features than IE 6. | Feb 03 02:42 |
| sebsebseb | the ones on Linux Today | Feb 03 02:42 |
| cubezzz | Chips_B_Malroy, yeah I've been checking there, there isn't much really | Feb 03 02:42 |
| yuhong | For example, IE6 and IE7 has to disable DEP/NX by default due to problems with plug-ins, IE 8 is a multi-process browser that set DEP settings individually for each process, avoiding the problems. | Feb 03 02:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its bad stuff mostly, worse it comes with old versions of Windows CE on them | Feb 03 02:43 |
| yuhong | Also IE on Vista has "protected mode" which is basically a sandbox. | Feb 03 02:44 |
| cubezzz | I really like lynx :) | Feb 03 02:44 |
| cubezzz | I can compile that very quick | Feb 03 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh Boycottnovell is mentioned in the last comment | Feb 03 02:46 |
| sebsebseb | on the LInux Today link I linked to | Feb 03 02:46 |
| cubezzz | Linux today is running Microsoft ads | Feb 03 02:48 |
| yuhong | Here is an article from a MS blog about what they actually meant: | Feb 03 02:48 |
| yuhong | http://blogs.technet.com/srd/archive/2010/01/15/assessing-risk-of-ie-0day-vulnerability.aspx | Feb 03 02:48 |
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| sebsebseb | I think i'll read that article, but not tonight, and it's on the website of a Linux magazine I bought one of and had a offer to get three for a £1 and so on, but that has run out now or whatever I guess | Feb 03 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: indeed they are, but so are a lot of tech sites | Feb 03 02:49 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Feb 03 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | magazines hrm | Feb 03 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | can be nice sometimes to buy a Linux magazine, but subscribeing and having it for quite a while would mean many magazines | Feb 03 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | and then even when they are out dated, I woudn't want to just throw them out | Feb 03 02:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Another wilcox article, I hate to post the link, but he has some really good stats in it | Feb 03 02:50 |
| yuhong | http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1514576&cid=30808526 | Feb 03 02:50 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Nine-out-of-10-premiumpriced-PCs-sold-at-US-retail-is-a-Mac/1265047893 | Feb 03 02:51 |
| sebsebseb | so I am better off staying with online LInux news really, I got enough paper and so on, that will eventaully finds it's way to the bin, as it is already | Feb 03 02:51 |
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| sebsebseb | any of you do Linux magazines? | Feb 03 02:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Quoting wilcox: "Year over year, Apple doubled US retail unit share -- from 5 percent to 10 percent -- for PCs selling between $500 and $1,000." | Feb 03 02:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and Apple has 91% of the over $1000 market in the USA | Feb 03 02:52 |
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| cubezzz | yeah I don't really buy magazines any more | Feb 03 02:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | this is MS best mature market, the USA, the one with the lowest "piracy" rate | Feb 03 02:53 |
| cubezzz | too temporal :) | Feb 03 02:53 |
| cubezzz | I have quite a collection of old Compute mags | Feb 03 02:54 |
| cubezzz | dating all the way back to the Commodore PET | Feb 03 02:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Quoting Wilcox again: "But there's also a warning for Apple, too. "They continue to gain share in those segments, but almost all the growth was in under $500 computers, where they don't play," Baker told me today. "So at some point they are clearly going to run out of headroom in $1,000-plus, and in the $500-$1,000 segment they are still pretty small. And, of course, if selling prices continue on this path, the 'pre | Feb 03 02:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | What it looks like to me, is that Apple is now moving into the $500 plus market more and more | Feb 03 02:59 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | For Apple to show continued growth, it needs to take more users away from MS | Feb 03 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/entdev/article.php/3862176/ | Feb 03 02:59 |
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| sebsebseb | the bot didn't do the title thing properly that time | Feb 03 03:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Festors one Wabbit is to cut costs soon (layoffs) in order to not have a bad next quarter | Feb 03 03:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I going guess, that by next Xmas season 2010, (looking into the Xstal ball) that Google Chrome OS on ARM is out, and Mac is available on more laptops under $1000. MS will be in serious trouble by then. | Feb 03 03:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Office 2010 if released on time, will be a non starter | Feb 03 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | lol @ South Park making fun of Bono | Feb 03 03:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Wife is on plane to London. Now I have a week to get some writing done! | Feb 03 03:29 | |
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| Ender2070 | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=11worst | Feb 03 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: Seen it before, agree totally | Feb 03 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/yeah2.mp3 | Feb 03 04:03 |
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| DaemonFC | rofl | Feb 03 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Apparently Mandriva is doing something where Epiphany doesn't need Flash to use Youtube | Feb 03 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | what's that all about? | Feb 03 04:04 |
| Ender2070 | nice | Feb 03 04:04 |
| Ender2070 | too bad gnome sucks | Feb 03 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2010.1_Alpha_2 | Feb 03 04:04 |
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| DaemonFC | "many Epiphany improvements : Webkit page cache enabled, Youtube movie extension available (no flash required)" | Feb 03 04:04 |
| Ender2070 | i believe you | Feb 03 04:06 |
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| DaemonFC | Chromium is now in the Mandriva repos | Feb 03 04:07 |
| Ender2070 | same for fedora, unofficially | Feb 03 04:07 |
| Ender2070 | works with 64-bit flash even | Feb 03 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Feb 03 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Feb 03 04:08 |
| Ender2070 | :P | Feb 03 04:08 |
| Ender2070 | now i got 2.6.32 as well | Feb 03 04:08 |
| Ender2070 | 100% fps increase in every thing | Feb 03 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | I need to hold off until there's no texture corruption on the ati driver | Feb 03 04:10 |
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| DaemonFC | "Mesa 7.7: 3D support has been enabled for the ATI R600 and R700 chipets (ATI Radeon HD 2000 and later), you can now enjoy 3D acceleration with the free ATI drivers." | Feb 03 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | yeehaw! | Feb 03 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | now I just have to figure out if that still gives me texture corruption | Feb 03 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: What say you? | Feb 03 04:15 |
| schestowitz | http://wobo46.wordpress.com/2010/02/02/open-source-but-dont-spread-a-word/ "Keeping the information away from the public community wiki and only giving it to a small group (Assembly, cooker-chefs) also tells me that this must be a developer thing only. Although I planned to show our latest products (new LXDE and Netbook Editions) to the Mandriva people, I understand and accept the fact that they want to keep this among their little | Feb 03 04:15 |
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| schestowitz | “community”. I admit I ‘m a bit frustrated and disappointed but nevertheless I will happily enjoy the exhibition and the conferences, and I’m sure there will be lots of interesting people to meet apart outside the little Mandriva world." | Feb 03 04:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeSIJF1vOPU&feature=related | Feb 03 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That manager that gave me trouble at the store today called me to apologize :) | Feb 03 04:17 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: nice analogy for American debt @ 1:20: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n3g5lUgkWk&NR=1&feature=fvwp | Feb 03 04:20 |
| schestowitz | THey should give you a whole cartoon with peanuts to compensate | Feb 03 04:20 |
| schestowitz | *carton | Feb 03 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 03 04:20 |
| schestowitz | Does the Us really use half of the world's gasoline? | Feb 03 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | well, I told the owner that a manager at Walmart you stopped someone that way would not be returning to work the next day and that she should talk with that guy about boundaries and be glad that I wasn't going to file a criminal complaint against him | Feb 03 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | because I talked to the police about that and they said I could file an assault and battery charge against that guy | Feb 03 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | I also said that if it happens again, I will drive straight over to the police headquarters and do exactly that | Feb 03 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | I gave her an earful, trust me :) | Feb 03 04:24 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: '06 journal https://slashdot.org/journal/141412/Climbing-out-of-the-Microsoft-coffin | Feb 03 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | my main point was being assaulted over a pack of 59 cent peanuts that were not on my person | Feb 03 04:25 |
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| DaemonFC | I might understand it if he had good reason to think I took something of value | Feb 03 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | and to add to that, I bought $5 worth of things before I left | Feb 03 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | does it make sense that someone would buy $5 worth of stuff and pocket something worth 59 cents? | Feb 03 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | she tried to minimize this by countering that people pocket merchandise like that all the time | Feb 03 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | I asked her if she meant little kids and if I sounded like a little kid | Feb 03 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | or people that go pay for stuff worth 10 times what they supposedly took before leaving | Feb 03 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | the lack of logic in that guys thought process is staggering | Feb 03 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | that kind of bothers me | Feb 03 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | bbiab | Feb 03 04:30 |
| schestowitz | gn | Feb 03 04:30 |
| oiaohm | Food was calling DaemonFC | Feb 03 04:43 |
| oiaohm | r600 and r700 are still works in progress but they are getting there. | Feb 03 04:44 |
| oiaohm | What kind of texture corruption DaemonFC | Feb 03 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: On Sauerbraten especially | Feb 03 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | but Nexuiz displays missing textures, lighting problems, etc. | Feb 03 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | stuff like that | Feb 03 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't even test it with Windows games in Wine if it's not even good enough for native Linux games | Feb 03 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | Prey won't work at all | Feb 03 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | it gets rendered in software, runs at like 1 frame per hour | Feb 03 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | so slow that you have to drop out of X to stop it | Feb 03 04:59 |
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| DaemonFC | I want to see the open source ATI driver succeed so that we no longer have to skip entire release versions of Linux distributions waiting for the new driver from AMD | Feb 03 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | and so we don't have bugs and gaps that never get plugged by AMD | Feb 03 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | they're not only not supporting a current X Server , if they go another few months they will be behind an entire year! | Feb 03 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | they only seem to want to support Linux distributions that never change | Feb 03 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | OpenSuse goes what? 8 months, and they still can't reliably support that | Feb 03 05:04 |
| oiaohm | lighting problems are most likely shader releated. DaemonFC | Feb 03 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | the only Linux distribution you know they work with is RHEL or SLED | Feb 03 05:04 |
| oiaohm | Ie galuim3d required to fix basically DaemonFC | Feb 03 05:04 |
| oiaohm | Missing textures not exactly sure what that nightmare would be but I would try all the different graphics levels Nexuiz has | Feb 03 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Might be able to zone it down to where with that DaemonFC | Feb 03 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | seems it is newish? | Feb 03 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | probably explains it | Feb 03 05:09 |
| oiaohm | galuim3d work is fairly new | Feb 03 05:09 |
| shreddar | Has anyone here read "Against Intellectual Monopoly"? | Feb 03 05:16 |
| shreddar | I've just finished reading their PDF version. | Feb 03 05:16 |
| shreddar | I sort of understood the cusp of it but got bogged out with some of the specifics. | Feb 03 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | Imaginary Property makes the western world go round | Feb 03 05:18 |
| shreddar | The things I got from it were that Patents and Copyrights have not filled their purpose (promoting the arts and useful sciences) and have been ruining our economy. | Feb 03 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | they've been enriching a very few people | Feb 03 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | and the money does not trickle down | Feb 03 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | those people hoard their money | Feb 03 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | the only time they spend any is on themselves or as an investment to make more money they won't live long enough to spend | Feb 03 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | money gets to the top and just kind of sits there | Feb 03 05:28 |
| shreddar | They keep lobbying governments to extend patents and copyrights. Meanwhile some economists keep supporting the idea that the economy needs monopoly's to run. | Feb 03 05:28 |
| shreddar | The idea of monopoly's spurring innovations is mostly theory and has no evidents in all these decades to prove they work. | Feb 03 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | if there's only one company that makes something, they have no reason to make that thing any better | Feb 03 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | and they have every reason to overcharge | Feb 03 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | that's why monopolies are technically illegal | Feb 03 05:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] In case anyone was wondering, #openvpn is a really great product. #vpn #networking #opensource | Feb 03 05:32 | |
| DaemonFC | technically, Microsoft's conviction should have kept them from expanding into new markets | Feb 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | the XBOX wouldn't exist, nor would Zune or Bing | Feb 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | but they got off with a token fine and no regulation | Feb 03 05:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | all this is known. what are we doing about it? | Feb 03 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | because where there's money, there's no regulation, and can be no patent, copyright, or trade reform | Feb 03 05:34 |
| shreddar | I just found out about the extent. | Feb 03 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | political bribes and such | Feb 03 05:34 |
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| DaemonFC | if I had a billion dollars I could break almost any law I wanted and the charges would disappear | Feb 03 05:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | what could you do with sixty ? | Feb 03 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | buy every level of government and do anything I wanted | Feb 03 05:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | gosh | Feb 03 05:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, lucky it was Honest Bill who took all that cash, then. | Feb 03 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft practically is the state government for Washington state | Feb 03 05:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | what are we doing about it? | Feb 03 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | they have corrupted the feds a lot too | Feb 03 05:35 |
| shreddar | I don't know what I'm going to do about it. I think I should fight the lobbyist on that false idea that IP is equal to real property. | Feb 03 05:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: I have found Groklaw invaluable in sourcing primary evidence for what is going on. Reading the actual testimony, especially from Gates and the top execs, is fascinating and illuminating, if you can stomach it. | Feb 03 05:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: they also do some good analysis | Feb 03 05:37 |
| shreddar | Then I'll find away to translate that books economistese into regular English using visual language and of course lots of pictures. | Feb 03 05:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | shreddar: sounds like a good mission. | Feb 03 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | I don't really have problems with proprietary secondary software, as long as it doesn't push closed formats and such | Feb 03 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | but I also think that something as far reaching as an operating system is too important to allow that | Feb 03 05:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right, but we were discussing monopolies, and specifically Microsoft. | Feb 03 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft isn't a monopoly, they're a duopoly with Apple | Feb 03 05:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I agree with what you said, and would amplify, that a monopoly drives prices through the roof, and innovation and service to zero. | Feb 03 05:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: nonsense. | Feb 03 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | they collaborate and pat each other on the back more than they compete | Feb 03 05:39 |
| shreddar | I was talking about IP's (or IM's) | Feb 03 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | they fix prices, they write software for each other's platform, etc. | Feb 03 05:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | they, uh, what? | Feb 03 05:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: this is unsupported by the record. | Feb 03 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | the competition between Mac and Windows is more superficial than anything | Feb 03 05:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Feb 03 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | it looks like they're two different things though | Feb 03 05:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | one of these things is not like the other. | Feb 03 05:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | one is a monopoly. | Feb 03 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | Apple has as much share of portable media players as Microsoft does of operating systems | Feb 03 05:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you ought to spend a bit more time researching | Feb 03 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | Apple makes more money on iPod sales than a PC OEM and Microsoft combines on a PC sale | Feb 03 05:41 |
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| DaemonFC | when you buy a low end to average PC, the OEM might take $100-150, Microsoft gets $50 | Feb 03 05:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | tell me microsoft is gone in the morning #kthxbai | Feb 03 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | in the meantime Apple selsl iPods for $300 | Feb 03 05:42 |
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| DaemonFC | so the profit Apple makes per iPod is greater than the OEM and Microsoft cut off of one PC sold | Feb 03 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | that should tell you how grotesquely overpriced they are | Feb 03 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | there's 8 GB Sansas for sale for $50 if you get it refurbished, that play 6 audio formats, which is exactly 3 more than Apple | Feb 03 05:45 |
| shreddar | Yeah Apple is a monopolist. | Feb 03 05:46 |
| shreddar | I'm convinced that nearly everyone in the market is a monopolist. | Feb 03 05:47 |
| shreddar | It's basically encouraged. | Feb 03 05:47 |
| shreddar | The system is set up for monopolies (and Oligopolies). | Feb 03 05:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] “As you get older,” [McGuane] advises, "you should get impatient with showing off..." // writing advice that applies equally to #programming | Feb 03 05:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Whether..writer or..bird-dog trainer,life should winnow the superfluous language. The real thing should become plain." http://bit.ly/9Ip80a | Feb 03 05:53 | |
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| shreddar | Another book I read (though didn't fully agree with) was just put into audio book and best of all MP3. | Feb 03 06:10 |
| shreddar | http://www.stephankinsella.com/wp-content/uploads/media/AgainstIntellectualProperty.mp3 | Feb 03 06:11 |
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| shreddar | "Against Intellectual Property" not to be confused with "Against Intellectual *Monopoly*" | Feb 03 06:12 |
| shreddar | It from a libertarian's point of view as opposed to a economists point of view. | Feb 03 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar: They're still trying to DRM MP3 20 years later | Feb 03 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | stupidity has no bounds | Feb 03 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | the industry is really not unlike a deer in the headlights | Feb 03 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | it never occurred to them that a compression format that could make music tracks incredibly small would be useful for transferring them over the internet | Feb 03 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | they saw the internet coming about as much as Microsoft did | Feb 03 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | a law to kill bittorrent or implement a HADOPI-like restriction will cut the number of people bothering to pay for an internet connection in half | Feb 03 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | ISPs should want no part of this | Feb 03 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | even their heaviest users still make them a profit | Feb 03 06:18 |
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| shreddar | I feel obligated to point to the "Against Intellectual *Monopoly*" PDF (for those who can't find it): | Feb 03 06:27 |
| shreddar | http://www.dklevine.com/papers/imbookfinalall.pdf | Feb 03 06:27 |
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| shreddar | This is the one I read. The other author has it on his site too. | Feb 03 06:28 |
| shreddar | I hope they create a audio version of this too. | Feb 03 06:35 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "there are two #movies here. The first is beautiful. The second is ugly and stupid" #avatar http://advogato.org/person/ncm/diary/384.html | Feb 03 06:49 | |
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| Dragonchik | I heard Microsoft is relocating to Chicago! | Feb 03 06:56 |
| Dragonchik | Home of Obama.... which we all know the Gate Clan bribed Obama to look the other way... | Feb 03 06:57 |
| Dragonchik | Washington software licensing taxes will NEVER get paid... | Feb 03 06:58 |
| Dragonchik | Washington will join California in bankruptcy soon! | Feb 03 06:58 |
| Dragonchik | While Microsoft is relcoating to Ireland and other places, leaving behind the broken encomy it had created! | Feb 03 06:59 |
| Dragonchik | We been sold out.... | Feb 03 07:00 |
| Dragonchik | We let this happen.... | Feb 03 07:00 |
| Dragonchik | Nobody wants to speak up? | Feb 03 07:00 |
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| Omar87 | Hi all | Feb 03 07:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Apple #iPad, the greatest piece of hardware ever!! Or is it..? http://tinyurl.com/yexjzgd | Feb 03 07:29 | |
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| MarcusKoze | (09:21:48 AM) frigg: Received CTCP 'VERSION' (to MarcusKoze) from frigg | Feb 03 07:29 |
| MarcusKoze | ?> | Feb 03 07:29 |
| MarcusKoze | hm... frigg | Feb 03 07:30 |
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| DaemonFC | "Gtk1 was only recently removed from Debian..." | Feb 03 08:19 |
| DaemonFC | I think the last thing hanging around that depended on that was XMMS | Feb 03 08:19 |
| DaemonFC | and you can still install GTK1 from outside the main repository if you wans XMMS back :) | Feb 03 08:19 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] EPO is considering whether to redefine the criteria for patenting software inventions: http://i5.be/aqn (anybody with a login?) | Feb 03 10:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Black Duck patents merge of FOSS licences "Resolving License Dependencies For Aggregations of Legally-Protectable Content" http://i5.be/aqq | Feb 03 10:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Been very busy for the last few days...one "emergency" after another....feel like Ive missed out.... | Feb 03 10:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Helping boss get Ubuntu working on his machine. Bug http://bit.ly/07QyANi not helping. Huawei E220 device flip flipping. | Feb 03 11:45 | |
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| oiaohm | When ever someone says that price of computers is coming down. Always someone comes out the wood work to claim fully fledge PC's have not dropped in price. | Feb 03 12:08 |
| oiaohm | They fail to see 90 percent of people don't need fully powerful machines. | Feb 03 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 03 12:09 |
| oiaohm | Particularly business. | Feb 03 12:11 |
| oiaohm | Very few machines in business are above entry level. | Feb 03 12:11 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: PPT/PDF...... that's where words come to die | Feb 03 12:50 |
| MarcusKoze | ever crossed your minds that adobe's flash plugin / player drain of processor power could actually be a "business policy" to encourage more and more powerful / expensive computers ? | Feb 03 12:52 |
| MarcusKoze | i can barely watch some youtube movies on a dual-core AMD 1800+ with 1 gb of ram | Feb 03 12:53 |
| MarcusKoze | full-windowed is a no-go for this machine | Feb 03 12:53 |
| MarcusKoze | i mean come on... it's adobe, they got the label of "the supreme software company" | Feb 03 12:54 |
| MarcusKoze | i can't really believe that such an organization can't optimize flash player software to run smoothly ... crappy ideologies ... although wealthy for some | Feb 03 12:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Aha! comment 49 on bug 43011 http://bit.ly/07QyANi has 'fixed' the issue with E220 on Ubuntu 9.10. Unpleasant. | Feb 03 12:57 | |
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| oiaohm | On Linux or windows MarcusKoze | Feb 03 13:24 |
| MarcusKoze | linux i mean | Feb 03 13:24 |
| oiaohm | I have got to the point these days I download the videos and watch them in smplayer after they are downloaded. | Feb 03 13:25 |
| MarcusKoze | it seems to be better on wiondos | Feb 03 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Mostly because flash under Linux still does not use acceleration correctly. | Feb 03 13:25 |
| MarcusKoze | videos get so flaky and tremors and more frames at once (in games) | Feb 03 13:25 |
| MarcusKoze | who's fault is it for that ? | Feb 03 13:26 |
| MarcusKoze | acceleration management i mean | Feb 03 13:26 |
| oiaohm | what is your video card. | Feb 03 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the X11 stack is being replaced for very good reasons. | Feb 03 13:26 |
| MarcusKoze | :) ati radeon express 200M | Feb 03 13:26 |
| MarcusKoze | on a laptop | Feb 03 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Ok that one with open source drivers and new X11 server should work ok. | Feb 03 13:27 |
| MarcusKoze | but the same happens on my desktop , with nVidia 8500GT and drivers installed | Feb 03 13:27 |
| MarcusKoze | well it isnt :) | Feb 03 13:27 |
| MarcusKoze | neother of them | Feb 03 13:27 |
| oiaohm | nVidia is still dri 1 | Feb 03 13:27 |
| MarcusKoze | neither* | Feb 03 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Nasty bit of evil | Feb 03 13:28 |
| oiaohm | The new drivers are dri 2. | Feb 03 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie complete back end of X11 different. | Feb 03 13:28 |
| MarcusKoze | whats dri ? | Feb 03 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Dri 1 was never design for more than 1 opengl program at a time. | Feb 03 13:29 |
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| MarcusKoze | i'm not quite a tech guy :) | Feb 03 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Direct rendering interface | Feb 03 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Ie backend of X11 server | Feb 03 13:29 |
| MarcusKoze | well on the desktop i have nvidia driver version 190 or so | Feb 03 13:30 |
| MarcusKoze | from the ubuntu repos | Feb 03 13:30 |
| oiaohm | I always get the i wrong Infrastructure | Feb 03 13:30 |
| MarcusKoze | as in hardware ? or what do you mean infrastructure | Feb 03 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Thinking dri 1 base design was done in 1998 | Feb 03 13:32 |
| oiaohm | And it only really support 1 opengl program at a time someone really failed forward planing. | Feb 03 13:32 |
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| MarcusKoze | anyone experienced the awesome window manager ? | Feb 03 13:44 |
| MarcusKoze | http://awesome.naquadah.org/ | Feb 03 13:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: about - awesome window manager .::. Size~: 6.4 KB | Feb 03 13:45 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Feb 03 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Feb 03 14:29 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Relationships Map - A mindmap connecting entities that I regularly cover and how they are connected http://ur1.ca/ldh9 | Feb 03 14:35 | |
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| schestowitz | Reader said: "Oh’ a suggestion, how about creating a map of faces, and linking them to their associations (crime buddies), so everyone can see who is at the top, their generals and so forth… The government does this, the media does this too, so why couldn’t a blog show who is behind the software Jihad on the FREEDOM of having and using “open source code”? " | Feb 03 14:37 |
| MarcusKoze | hehe :) the wall of shame or so eh ? | Feb 03 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmm... | Feb 03 14:44 |
| schestowitz | We might get soma cartoon... | Feb 03 14:44 |
| schestowitz | "In answer to your question, well… normally, doesn’t IPR prohibits society from sharing the derived works of individuals, as copyright, trademarks and patents? However, I think it's just totally unreasonable when IPR grants rights to deny society these benefits, over the derived works of deceased centurions of long ago, right? " | Feb 03 14:44 |
| schestowitz | "So why is Sony Corporation able to copyright the works of Beethoven? Did Beethoven grant Sony exclusive rights over his derived works after many centuries later? Should Walt Disney forever hold a trademark that never ends, just to insure nobody else can build upon their success, for all time ahead? Yes Indeed, I heard about Walt Disney, lobbying for perpetual patents and trademarks! " | Feb 03 14:44 |
| schestowitz | "To comply with the ownership system, at least in the U.S., you need the permission of the owner, who holds the rights, which may NOT always be the creator. Look at the music industry, or the movie industry, because the artist are bound by the RIAA and MPAA contracts, having signed away their rights as the originators, creator or inventor - just to have their works distributed. The MPAA and RIAA are also monopolies too. " | Feb 03 14:44 |
| schestowitz | "If you can apply Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, for educational purposes you don't NEED the permission of the creator to distribute in the public domain the derived works as excerpts, but be warned, many large big corporations cold still take you to court, which is costly, and time consuming even if you win." | Feb 03 14:44 |
| schestowitz | "The laws are NOT always upheld, and you really don't want to be placed into a position, that you would find yourself at the mercy of the court. " | Feb 03 14:44 |
| schestowitz | "IPR without a doubt is a system of censorship. IPR laws deny all of society the advantage of benefiting from the derived works, to build upon them and from what I experience, insure a monopoly by a few who hold these rights over the rest of the people. " | Feb 03 14:44 |
| schestowitz | "Suggestion, cartoons can be drawn, and it doesn't take an expert artist to do so. I'm very confident many students would be willing to draw you cartoons to be published upon your website." | Feb 03 14:45 |
| schestowitz | "If that doesn't work, you can offer a CONTEST, and state the winners will have their works published upon your website! So, you will have the cartoons, to which offend Microsoft for FREE, and help some new young artist succeed...." | Feb 03 14:45 |
| schestowitz | "You can take photos yourself, and convert them over into a cartoon, or just insert text too. If you stop and think, most artist want their derived works to be published, to be distributed... Your website gives them exposure... " | Feb 03 14:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 03 14:48 |
| schestowitz | So, perhaps the following will be useful here for you to consider... | Feb 03 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Feb 03 14:48 | |
| schestowitz | 1) Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, educational purpose... | Feb 03 14:48 |
| schestowitz | 2) Ask your readers to send in their own cartoons, and you will pick the best ones each day to be published! | Feb 03 14:48 |
| schestowitz | 3) Take photos yourself, insert a caption into the photo and use it as a cartoon too! | Feb 03 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Feb 03 14:48 | |
| schestowitz | You see, there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Just don't assume you need to follow the IPR ownership system, it's only what the majority are willing to follow that is considered as the norm. Even laws, are guidelines, meant as incentives, no absolutes.... | Feb 03 14:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 03 14:48 |
| schestowitz | "For the record, the cartoons I shared with you, were published already online, with the online newspaper in Hong Kong. The name of the website was “The Standard”, a very respected media here in Hong Kong. http://www.thestandard.com.hk Gavin Coates was the cartoonist. " | Feb 03 14:48 |
| schestowitz | "I suppose if you were to contact Gavin Coates, he might just create a few cartoons for your website, because he believes in freedom of expression. I'm confident he would grant you the permission to use his cartoons, as you see fit." | Feb 03 14:49 |
| schestowitz | "You may not be aware, but Microsoft's was offering an OEM-DSP (original equipment manufacture delivery service partner) a Japanese version of "Nanami Windows 7" Ultimate Edition, as the official Japanese Windows 7 Chan endorsed Mascot Character!" | Feb 03 14:49 |
| schestowitz | "That’s because Microsoft knew the Japanese actress Nana Mizuki (奈々水樹) who is famous for her voicing in Naruto's Hinata and Nanoha's Fate Testarossa, would be very popular with the Japanese. Nana Mizuki was featured in 3 voice and event sounds packs for the anime character of Nanami Madobe (窓辺ななみ) along with some original wallpaper." | Feb 03 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | "Another thought, if you provide an easy form to fill out for anyone submitting photos, essays, for publication, that would be helpful for your readers? As many of your readers might NOT reside in the U.S. and therefore are not familiar with U.S. IPR laws… Hong Kong, China, South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, etc… have a different policy here. In many regards, U.S. IPR has NO jurisdiction outside the U.S…." | Feb 03 14:56 |
| schestowitz | "You can publish in good faith, as I would “assume” should anyone complain, they would be required to send you a “Notice of Infringing Activity” as a cease and desist order, which the burden rest upon them to establish proof." | Feb 03 14:56 |
| schestowitz | "YouTube like so many other websites cannot be held responsible for the content shared, uploaded or viewed. In order to comply the laws, once being notified, they simply remove the offending infringement, thus ending the dispute. You can add a disclaimer into your website to insure even if you used a photo that was copyrighted, you will NOT be held liable, under the same given laws, which every other website in the U.S. is subjected, | Feb 03 14:56 |
| schestowitz | right?" | Feb 03 14:56 |
| schestowitz | "Keep in thought, even Microsoft was recently found guilty of infringing “open source code”, without any punishment or fines! WUDT was claimed by Microsoft as their own software product, pushed out on “Windows Store” online! Until, someone brought it to the attention of the public and Microsoft, that the infringing activities was licensed under GPl v2! Microsoft not only infringed, but changed the terms of the license as well | Feb 03 14:56 |
| schestowitz | "Isn’t the U.S. an “open country” where freedom and liberty is protected by your Constitution? Freedom of information, freedom of expression, freedom of religion and so forth? If the U.S. society is barred from sharing their opinions, beliefs, thoughts and or ideas, including what they are learning, discovering even amongst each other, where does this lead? Despotism?" | Feb 03 14:56 |
| schestowitz | "I’m not an American citizen from the U.S., so I’m not up to date on U.S. policies or laws." | Feb 03 14:56 |
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| schestowitz | It's snowing here again... | Feb 03 15:00 |
| MarcusKoze | here too this morning, sick of winter already | Feb 03 15:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] If you live near London and want an easy 40 quid, consider helping us test Ubuntu.We're looking for non-tech ppl! http://bit.ly/9E4Gur | Feb 03 15:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 repels more and more users as its deficiencies and drawbacks become more apparent http://ur1.ca/ldn6 | Feb 03 16:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Manchester Police and the #CIA Under #Windows Attack http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/03/conficker-manchester-cia-pushdo/ | Feb 03 16:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s attempt to enter the market of consumer electronics is rapidly approaching “memorabilia” status http://ur1.ca/ldp6 #zune #fail | Feb 03 16:27 | |
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| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-chegg-names-former-yahoo-coo-rosensweig-ceo/ | Feb 03 16:34 |
| schestowitz | 'Internet addiction' linked to depression, says study http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8493149.stm | Feb 03 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | They try to imply opposites | Feb 03 16:35 |
| schestowitz | As in, Internet leads to sadness, as opposed to opposite | Feb 03 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Same with obesity | Feb 03 16:35 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/02/03/yahoo-loses-patent-infringement-case-124-million | Feb 03 16:38 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, TPavel | Feb 03 16:38 |
| TPavel | Hello ) | Feb 03 16:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Here we have another new example of cause and effects _being swapped_ http://ur1.ca/ldpp #liesdannliesstatistics | Feb 03 16:38 | |
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| schestowitz | Stanford may be biased... home of Google: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/02/02/stanford-endorses-google-books-settlement | Feb 03 16:40 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Just got an email - Heather made it from Heathrow to the hotel in one piece, and is now planning on a nap. | Feb 03 16:42 | |
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| amarsh04 | ping6 rather | Feb 03 16:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 Arianna loves Bill http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-orin-levine/gavi-a-time-to-celebratea_b_435379.html | Feb 03 16:47 | |
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| schestowitz | Where's jono, the artists of communities? | Feb 03 16:52 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Bond. James Bond. ;-) | Feb 03 16:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz @qu1j0t3 Arianna loves Bill // crooked f*** has end run every1 AGAIN,it's difficult to criticise his "good works" in mainstream | Feb 03 16:58 | |
| MinceR | (flash) (video) (audio) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtGSXMuWMR4 | Feb 03 17:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Issues/2010/112/ATTACKS-AGAINST-SSL | Feb 03 17:05 |
| rnb | gooooood morning everyone | Feb 03 17:12 |
| rnb | whats new? | Feb 03 17:12 |
| rnb | does anybody here actually use google chrome? | Feb 03 17:14 |
| MinceR | i don't | Feb 03 17:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-02-01-014-35-OP-AP-0003 http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-02-01-014-35-OP-AP-0002 | Feb 03 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | Zonker versus freedom | Feb 03 17:17 |
| schestowitz | rnb: support Mozilla :-| | Feb 03 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Chrome means pseudopensource | Feb 03 17:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-02-01-014-35-OP-AP-0001 "Then, is anybody going to care enough about nobody caring to read this article? Heck, I *do* care and I'm not going to bother reading it." | Feb 03 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | Zonker makes ebnemies | Feb 03 17:18 |
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| rnb | schestowitz: yeah | Feb 03 17:26 |
| rnb | schestowitz: i use firefox | Feb 03 17:26 |
| rnb | schestowitz: but i checked out chrome and i just dont see what the big deal is | Feb 03 17:26 |
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| rnb | ohhh | Feb 03 17:27 |
| rnb | i said: | Feb 03 17:27 |
| rnb | schestowitz: i use firefox | Feb 03 17:27 |
| rnb | schestowitz: but i checked out chrome and i just dont see what the big deal is | Feb 03 17:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Hiltler and software patents in a Bilski video remix, have fun: http://i5.be/aqF | Feb 03 17:39 | |
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| Ender2070 | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1247376/Controversial-climate-change-boss-uses-car-AND-driver-travel-mile-office---says-YOU-use-public-transport.html | Feb 03 17:40 |
| Ender2070 | mandriva 2010 = fail | Feb 03 17:41 |
| roy__ | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-02-02-012-35-OP-BZ-MS-0001 Asay spreads the Microsoft PR spin... and people notice | Feb 03 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: so?? | Feb 03 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: did you try Mand? | Feb 03 17:45 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Feb 03 17:45 |
| MinceR | http://www.myextralife.com/comic/comic-12-again/ | Feb 03 17:45 |
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| Ender2070 | the free version is missing wifi drivers | Feb 03 17:45 |
| schestowitz | I meant "So" regarding the one miler | Feb 03 17:45 |
| schestowitz | It's not much to drive | Feb 03 17:45 |
| schestowitz | 1 mile | Feb 03 17:45 |
| Ender2070 | no but he has 4 electric cars | Feb 03 17:45 |
| schestowitz | He could use a bicycle though | Feb 03 17:46 |
| Ender2070 | and | Feb 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | They just try to smear | Feb 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Mail junk | Feb 03 17:46 |
| Ender2070 | hes the guy telling everyone to us the bus | Feb 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Tabloid verge | Feb 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: he's right | Feb 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | So? | Feb 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | They try to make a controversy | Feb 03 17:46 |
| Ender2070 | sure its a smear but he deserves it | Feb 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Fine. | Feb 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | I don't think it's news | Feb 03 17:46 |
| Ender2070 | hes helping the UN in its false global warming agenda | Feb 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | It's junk 'news' | Feb 03 17:46 |
| schestowitz | There are real things to cover | Feb 03 17:47 |
| balzac | >_> | Feb 03 17:47 |
| balzac | <_< | Feb 03 17:47 |
| schestowitz | >:-| | Feb 03 17:47 |
| Ender2070 | i guess they could cover his porno novel | Feb 03 17:47 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Feb 03 17:47 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7111068/Revealed-the-racy-novel-written-by-the-worlds-most-powerful-climate-scientist.html | Feb 03 17:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Revealed: the racy novel written by the world's most powerful climate scientist - Telegraph .::. Size~: 59.71 KB | Feb 03 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: just look at the Mail's side bar | Feb 03 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Sure smells professional, donnit? | Feb 03 17:48 |
| schestowitz | The other day I spoke to a friend of mine who's a journalist and he was telling me about 'the news' about Beyonce | Feb 03 17:48 |
| schestowitz | His borther went on about this Brit to be executed in China for drua charges | Feb 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | It's now news | Feb 03 17:49 |
| Ender2070 | i treat all media the same, nobody is professional | Feb 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | It's stupid drama | Feb 03 17:49 |
| Ender2070 | the ones on tv are actors reading a script | Feb 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Yet to some people, this IS the news | Feb 03 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Cause the paper tells them so | Feb 03 17:49 |
| Ender2070 | im not a reader of the mail | Feb 03 17:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/334526 | Feb 03 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: here we have "Warning: The Mail!" | Feb 03 17:50 |
| Ender2070 | i just happened to get that link because of the story | Feb 03 17:50 |
| schestowitz | They feed the deniers | Feb 03 17:50 |
| schestowitz | All the crazies who will go "rah rah!!! Haha! There's no warming! Let's drive the HUMMER down the road again" | Feb 03 17:50 |
| Ender2070 | LOL deniers, your gonna use that propaganda too? | Feb 03 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Yeah :-) | Feb 03 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Connotation with the Holocaust is not needed | Feb 03 17:51 |
| schestowitz | They dent science | Feb 03 17:51 |
| Ender2070 | not really | Feb 03 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Like some people deny evolution | Feb 03 17:51 |
| Ender2070 | the science keeps getting proven to be false | Feb 03 17:51 |
| schestowitz | You can cheapen the term "Denier" | Feb 03 17:51 |
| schestowitz | It's not "reserved" | Feb 03 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: it's not | Feb 03 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Fake controversies | Feb 03 17:52 |
| Ender2070 | the only change they need is to put rules on china | Feb 03 17:52 |
| schestowitz | "OMG! Mail leaked! It must be a scandal." | Feb 03 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Those who actually read the whole mail will tell you there's just selective quoting | Feb 03 17:52 |
| Ender2070 | they shouldnt be slapping citizens with enviro-facist laws because BUSINESS is harming the planet | Feb 03 17:52 |
| schestowitz | http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/wiki/ReleaseNotes | Feb 03 17:53 |
| Ender2070 | i dont think people should have their land taken away because the UN says they have a carbon sink on their land | Feb 03 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Private land is dying | Feb 03 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Even in California | Feb 03 17:54 |
| Ender2070 | thats part of Agenda 21 | Feb 03 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Seized | Feb 03 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Then water | Feb 03 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Air is tricky | Feb 03 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Water goes round and round | Feb 03 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Privatising it is odd | Feb 03 17:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2767&blogid=14 | Feb 03 17:55 |
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| Ender2070 | UN Agenda 21 has a blueprint for massive rights removals | Feb 03 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Where did you learn this? | Feb 03 17:55 |
| Ender2070 | by reading it | Feb 03 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Where? | Feb 03 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Original? | Feb 03 17:55 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml | Feb 03 17:56 |
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| Ender2070 | im not against helping the environment, I do what I think is reasonable | Feb 03 17:57 |
| Ender2070 | I don't waste electricity, I recycle everything possible | Feb 03 17:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] anyone using #DokuWiki should really check out the Minimalism theme, it does what it says on the tin, and looks all the better for it | Feb 03 17:57 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Study-21-of-German-PCs-run-OpenOffice-919501.html | Feb 03 17:57 |
| Ender2070 | then i see stores which leave their lights on all night, businesses which dont bother recycling anything | Feb 03 17:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Study: > 21% of German PCs run OpenOffice - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.12 KB | Feb 03 17:57 |
| Ender2070 | but they draft laws to attack us, not business | Feb 03 17:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] A particular party made “open standards” a political issue, based on lobbyism from open source communities (TS = M$ lobby): http://i5.be/aqG | Feb 03 17:58 | |
| Ender2070 | I can only throw out two bags of garbage, plus unlimited recycling | Feb 03 17:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Interview with Per Andersen, Managing Director IDC Nordic & Benelux | Talkstandards .::. Size~: 22.54 KB | Feb 03 17:58 |
| Ender2070 | business can throw out unlimited garbage, no recycling required | Feb 03 17:58 |
| Ender2070 | its fucked up | Feb 03 17:58 |
| Ender2070 | dont you think its messed up the recent story in the UK that lets town hall officials search your home for eco-friendly electronics | Feb 03 17:59 |
| Ender2070 | to make sure you have them | Feb 03 17:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@H_FJ http://lolcode.com/ is BEST USE EVER for our gag font, "Estupido" http://j.mp/Uk6oi // Agree! & Estupido > gag font Comic Sans, too! | Feb 03 18:00 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: H&FJ News | Hoefler & Frere-Jones .::. Size~: 26.92 KB | Feb 03 18:00 |
| Ender2070 | Ontario introduced a levy on electronics, Its collected by a private organization who is allowed to pass laws in Ontario | Feb 03 18:01 |
| Ender2070 | this private organization let businesses pass it directly to the customer | Feb 03 18:01 |
| Ender2070 | Stewardship Ontario | Feb 03 18:02 |
| Ender2070 | but then again Canada isn't democratic | Feb 03 18:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Tories accused of fiddling violent #crime statistics" http://bit.ly/9Zt2cu // surprising exactly nobody. #Harper next? #Canada #UK | Feb 03 18:05 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Tories accused of fiddling violent crime statistics - Times Online .::. Size~: 109.8 KB | Feb 03 18:05 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - does the Queen in UK have ultimate say on any law and any prime minister elected? | Feb 03 18:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10623790 | Feb 03 18:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Adam Gifford: Open source route frees the mind - Technology - NZ Herald News .::. Size~: 57.07 KB | Feb 03 18:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab where is the evidence that they serve Redmond? | Feb 03 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: no | Feb 03 18:11 |
| Ender2070 | the same queen does in Canada | Feb 03 18:12 |
| Ender2070 | though she appoints someone in her place | Feb 03 18:13 |
| Ender2070 | when we elect a prime minister, she has the option of saying yes/no | Feb 03 18:14 |
| Ender2070 | she can put someone else in power | Feb 03 18:15 |
| Ender2070 | she can also veto any law the house of commons tries to put on the books | Feb 03 18:15 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtZUNxmIIzA | Feb 03 18:23 |
| schestowitz | The queens wave to the crowd very well | Feb 03 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: he follows the script | Feb 03 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Very well done! | Feb 03 18:26 |
| schestowitz | That's what the politicans are paid for | Feb 03 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Queen Will Leave Behind Long Legacy Of Waving http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5pkDB7zEeo | Feb 03 18:27 |
| schestowitz | >> In Sweden, intellectual monopoly issues are all the rage among kids with the Pirate Party (a name I don't approve of) and everything. Software freedom (which ironically is part of the previous party's program) not so. So anything to raise awareness! | Feb 03 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I really enjoyed the talk your (the original) founder of the Pirate Party gave. I watched two but they were similar. | Feb 03 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Feb 03 18:27 | |
| schestowitz | >> And boy, Microsoft dominance is so opaque here, it is scary. We even have our own idg.se delivering fauxpen source news, rolling out every Novell/Microsoft/Apple lie ever told, but in Swedish. | Feb 03 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I see that site a lot in the context of ODF/OOXML. I hate IDG. | Feb 03 18:27 |
| schestowitz | > Richard Stallman is literally portrayed as a religious fanatic and is regularly discredited. We have these 'bloggers' that talk about fauxpen source and "see the big picture", and this grand future always involve some kind of proprietary monopoly. It really makes me sad inside. | Feb 03 18:27 |
| schestowitz | It's the same in politics. See what the media does to Ron Paul for example. They focus on appearance and concentrate on some of the more eccentric followers. | Feb 03 18:27 |
| schestowitz | >> Sorry for the rant. Got lost :) | Feb 03 18:27 |
| schestowitz | That was interesting nonetheless. | Feb 03 18:27 |
| schestowitz | /end | Feb 03 18:27 |
| Ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Assent | Feb 03 18:30 |
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| cubezzz2 | fauxpen? | Feb 03 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 03 18:37 |
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| cubezzz2 | oh I understand | Feb 03 18:39 |
| cubezzz2 | fake open source | Feb 03 18:39 |
| *cubezzz2 is now known as cubezzz | Feb 03 18:39 | |
| cubezzz | /msg nickserv identify twinkiexyz | Feb 03 18:40 |
| cubezzz | ugh | Feb 03 18:40 |
| schestowitz | OOps. | Feb 03 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Change password | Feb 03 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Twinkie? :-) :-) | Feb 03 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Tinkerbell is a popular password | Feb 03 18:41 |
| cubezzz | I can't even remember how to change it | Feb 03 18:41 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Roy, it was just an observation not a criticism. To maintain the +ve you are organised and I never now whether I have milk for tomorrow :) | Feb 03 18:42 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] know | Feb 03 18:42 | |
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| cubezzz | ok fixed | Feb 03 18:43 |
| cubezzz | duh | Feb 03 18:43 |
| Ender2070 | hmmmm you can add Lord to your name | Feb 03 18:46 |
| MarcusKoze | mersi pentru linkuri | Feb 03 18:56 |
| MarcusKoze | oops wrong window | Feb 03 18:56 |
| Ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_General_of_Canada | Feb 03 19:01 |
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| balzac | Richard Stallman is doing well in terms of spreading freedom and the understanding of what freedom means to computer users. | Feb 03 19:02 |
| balzac | There needs to be a bigger budget | Feb 03 19:03 |
| balzac | for gnu and the fsf | Feb 03 19:03 |
| balzac | i do what i can to increase awareness of the GNU brand | Feb 03 19:03 |
| balzac | I don't know why more of those who are flush with cash don't donate more to the FSF and GNU | Feb 03 19:04 |
| balzac | also, I want to see Stallman's ideas for improving the basic capabilities of the operating system | Feb 03 19:04 |
| balzac | he has great ideas for the hurd | Feb 03 19:05 |
| balzac | but people like to keep him bottled up like a crazy uncle who lives in the basement | Feb 03 19:05 |
| balzac | There are some very basic design improvements he proposed for the ancient but venerable *nix style OS | Feb 03 19:06 |
| balzac | for process handling as it relates to user accounts, for example | Feb 03 19:06 |
| Ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander-in-Chief_of_the_Canadian_Forces | Feb 03 19:06 |
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| balzac | basic things like decoupling things which needn't be linked together and making a more modular design | Feb 03 19:07 |
| balzac | these improvements should be done, and once administrators see the functional advantages, they'll want them ported to the Linux kernel as well | Feb 03 19:07 |
| balzac | I don't care if I have to run hurd on an emulator if its core functionality is more advanced, i'll run it in an emulator | Feb 03 19:08 |
| cubezzz | He tells people to use Lisp :) | Feb 03 19:08 |
| cubezzz | actually I haven't heard much from Stallman on design | Feb 03 19:08 |
| MarcusKoze | isnt lisp the one with "everything a function" ? | Feb 03 19:09 |
| balzac | but our dear friends from the Open Source community should kick down some substantial funding for Hurd development so RMS can enjoy the advancement of his ideas | Feb 03 19:09 |
| balzac | I have some deeper study to do in programming, but if I ever get around to remedial computer science courses, I'll also have some advanced thinking to contribute | Feb 03 19:10 |
| balzac | RMS should have a lear jet | Feb 03 19:10 |
| balzac | and a sky scraper with horns on it | Feb 03 19:10 |
| Ender2070 | and sharks with laserbeams attached to them | Feb 03 19:10 |
| cubezzz | this might be worth a read: | Feb 03 19:11 |
| cubezzz | http://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.html | Feb 03 19:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: My Lisp Experiences and the Development of GNU Emacs - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF) .::. Size~: 34.17 KB | Feb 03 19:11 |
| balzac | I really like the parentheses in Lisp | Feb 03 19:11 |
| balzac | more is better | Feb 03 19:11 |
| Ender2070 | Lisp is nice | Feb 03 19:11 |
| Ender2070 | however | Feb 03 19:11 |
| Ender2070 | you can't write good programs without stress | Feb 03 19:11 |
| balzac | depends | Feb 03 19:11 |
| Ender2070 | no seriously, when you solve a complex problem your brain drugs you | Feb 03 19:12 |
| balzac | depends on whether you're ready to tear into things at an advanced level, or if you settle for the limitations inherent in someone else's design | Feb 03 19:12 |
| cubezzz | just use C :) | Feb 03 19:12 |
| balzac | i'll be using C | Feb 03 19:13 |
| Ender2070 | im learning C | Feb 03 19:13 |
| balzac | but I have to pay my bills, I haven't got the time for advanced studies | Feb 03 19:13 |
| cubezzz | if Diablo-D3 was here he would be talking up Java but... | Feb 03 19:13 |
| Ender2070 | Java 1.7 will be good | Feb 03 19:13 |
| cubezzz | I still use C mostly, or a fast and dirty script language | Feb 03 19:13 |
| Ender2070 | 1.7 (Java 7) is GPL | Feb 03 19:14 |
| Ender2070 | GPLv3 iirc | Feb 03 19:14 |
| balzac | I don't know what it'll take to get adequate funding for GNU and the FSF | Feb 03 19:15 |
| Ender2070 | no patent danger | Feb 03 19:15 |
| cubezzz | how about independent studies? :) | Feb 03 19:15 |
| balzac | maybe Bill Gates will find it in his heart to do what Open Source moguls will not | Feb 03 19:15 |
| Ender2070 | the FSF should sell blessed pc's | Feb 03 19:15 |
| balzac | Bill Gates should donate $50M to GNU | Feb 03 19:15 |
| cubezzz | C and Unix go together | Feb 03 19:16 |
| Ender2070 | yeah C is awesome | Feb 03 19:16 |
| balzac | I asked RMS to compile Emacs for me so my emacs installation would be more special | Feb 03 19:16 |
| balzac | he declined | Feb 03 19:16 |
| Ender2070 | way easier to pick up than C++ too | Feb 03 19:16 |
| cubezzz | so by extension, C and Linux go together | Feb 03 19:16 |
| balzac | But I have a signed copy of Free Software Free Society | Feb 03 19:16 |
| cubezzz | what's portable? C | Feb 03 19:17 |
| Ender2070 | Qt/C++ can be pretty portable too | Feb 03 19:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The best feeling is when I was about to tweet, and I don't. Just did that like 3 times in a row. | Feb 03 19:18 | |
| cubezzz | ha | Feb 03 19:20 |
| cubezzz | Gates would _never_ donate to GNU | Feb 03 19:20 |
| MinceR | better to seize his valuables, then | Feb 03 19:23 |
| MinceR | and assets | Feb 03 19:23 |
| cubezzz | I think he's still the richest at 40B | Feb 03 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Oh, no. | Feb 03 19:36 |
| schestowitz | balzac: you suggest pardoning criminals like Madoff again? | Feb 03 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Let's not have such a disussion | Feb 03 19:37 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Linux outlaws teeshirt 29-36 pounds, job seekers allowance uk 64 pounds a week. Still like the outlaws despite this. | Feb 03 19:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @ggreenwald Eric Holder to Mitch McConnell, exposes myths in Abdulmutallab "debate" http://bit.ly/97j55x (@aaronkorea) // Worth reading | Feb 03 19:47 | |
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| schestowitz | Britain 'complicit in mistreatment and possible torture' says UN http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/27/britain-complicit-possible-torture-un | Feb 03 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Torture Never Stopped Under Obama http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17204 | Feb 03 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/01/26/2358237/Canadian-Android-Carrier-Forcing-Firmware-Update | Feb 03 19:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Mobile Story | Canadian Android Carrier Forcing Firmware Update .::. Size~: 167.62 KB | Feb 03 19:57 |
| schestowitz | "I wrote Part 1 of Oil in Haiti as the economic reasons for the US/UN occupation back in October, 2009. After the earthquake I questioned whether oil drilling could have triggered the earthquake (Did mining and oil drilling trigger the Haiti earthquake?)" http://open.salon.com/blog/ezili_danto/2010/01/29/oil_in_haiti_reasons_for_the_us_occupation_part_2 | Feb 03 19:59 |
| schestowitz | The US is the world's largest cumulative polluter., Ender2070, not china. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/01/climate-change-deal-impossible-2010 | Feb 03 20:00 |
| schestowitz | China's pollution per capita is FAR lower | Feb 03 20:00 |
| schestowitz | http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/superbowl_focus/ | Feb 03 20:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RMS: "The US could find 85 billion to bail out AIG, but refuses to forgive Haiti's 1 billion dollars of debt." | Feb 03 20:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] New #wikipedia article: Syringammina fragilissima http://is.gd/7Dwb3 from http://is.gd/7Dy0g HT @glynmoody | Feb 03 20:07 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Syringammina fragilissima - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 18.43 KB | Feb 03 20:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Zoologger: 'Living beach ball' is giant single cell - life - 03 February 2010 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 58.13 KB | Feb 03 20:07 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2010/01/bittorrent-census-about-99-of-files-copyright-infringing.ars "Sorry, Linux distro nerds." | Feb 03 20:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BitTorrent census: about 99% of files copyright infringing .::. Size~: 29.29 KB | Feb 03 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Ars Technica starts to sicken me more often than now | Feb 03 20:08 |
| schestowitz | KB | Feb 03 20:08 |
| schestowitz | [20:08] <schestowitz> http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2010/01/bittorrent-census-about-99-of-files-copyright-infringing.ars "Sorry, Linux distro nerds." | Feb 03 20:08 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BitTorrent census: about 99% of files copyright infringing .::. Size~: 29.29 KB | Feb 03 20:08 |
| schestowitz | "Linux distro nerds." | Feb 03 20:08 |
| schestowitz | "Nerds", not "geeks", either | Feb 03 20:09 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - its still industry/business, not the people | Feb 03 20:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.planetxbox360.com/article_9486/Gaming_on_the_iPad_Good_or_Bad "Sure, my PC and Linux machines can multitask exceptionally well ..." | Feb 03 20:13 |
| Ender2070 | china will be #1 again, just wait till the companies pack up even more in the US | Feb 03 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: I know what you mean | Feb 03 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Their only consideration is raising profits | Feb 03 20:14 |
| schestowitz | And they have lobbyists, unlike people | Feb 03 20:14 |
| Ender2070 | china was #1 before the olympics, they had to make serious changes for the athletes health | Feb 03 20:14 |
| schestowitz | I am tired of the media sites I see right now parroting Microsoft's latest lies re Vista7 and the 1% market share lie from Net Apps (Microsoft). Will they always be so supine in the 'press'? | Feb 03 20:15 |
| Ender2070 | i've heard they have certain days the people are allowed to drive on | Feb 03 20:15 |
| Ender2070 | one group of people can drive like monday, wednesday, friday, etc, and others drive on the other days | Feb 03 20:15 |
| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Feb 03 20:15 | |
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| schestowitz | Another sweeping statement: | Feb 03 20:24 |
| schestowitz | "Linux (which arguably isn’t as functional or preferred as Windows)" | Feb 03 20:24 |
| schestowitz | http://geeksmack.net/index.php/mobile/1033-editorial-move-aside-netbooks-2010-is-the-year-of-the-tablet | Feb 03 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Says who? | Feb 03 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft? | Feb 03 20:24 |
| schestowitz | The company which takes it to the back room (like Dell and HP) to REMOVE the choice? | Feb 03 20:25 |
| schestowitz | ANd then pretends the "marketed decided" | Feb 03 20:25 |
| schestowitz | http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/02/01/let-the-market-decide/ | Feb 03 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/02/01/doing-the-maths/ | Feb 03 20:25 |
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| cubezzz | it's less functional | Feb 03 20:25 |
| cubezzz | can't compile the kernel plus a million other reasons | Feb 03 20:25 |
| cubezzz | can't compile drivers | Feb 03 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Google to brive for users ande devs. http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2010/02/01/google-to-pay-for-chrome-bugs/1 | Feb 03 20:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: bit-tech.net | Google to pay for Chrome bugs .::. Size~: 31.19 KB | Feb 03 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tried similar things, Mozilla cannot | Feb 03 20:26 |
| schestowitz | They use their pockets to buy users | Feb 03 20:26 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: it doesn't run iTunes ! !! | Feb 03 20:27 |
| cubezzz | that's a plus I think | Feb 03 20:27 |
| cubezzz | I'll just have to use one of dozens of other services then | Feb 03 20:27 |
| schestowitz | "Honey, let's flee this restaurant, don't they don't Bordeaux..." | Feb 03 20:28 |
| schestowitz | *they don't serve" I meant | Feb 03 20:29 |
| cubezzz | oh but Windows "phones home" | Feb 03 20:29 |
| cubezzz | I admit Linux doesn't do that | Feb 03 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Looks like a toaster: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/02/01/promise_non_nas_storage/ | Feb 03 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: it can too | Feb 03 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Install Ekiga | Feb 03 20:30 |
| schestowitz | phone Microsoft hotline | Feb 03 20:30 |
| schestowitz | "But nobody uses Linux............." http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbox/open-source/kernel-systems/news/index.cfm?newsid=18607 | Feb 03 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | Damn, those LSE "hobbyists" | Feb 03 20:32 |
| Ender2070 | mandriva disappoints again | Feb 03 20:34 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Feb 03 20:34 |
| Ender2070 | i need to buy powerpack to use wireless | Feb 03 20:34 |
| cubezzz | a lot of my old BBS friends (popping up on facebook) are dozers now :-/ | Feb 03 20:34 |
| cubezzz | kind of disappointing | Feb 03 20:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Why H.264 is utterly unacceptable as a Web standard (and why #Wikipedia only uses Ogg Theora) http://is.gd/7DF3K HT @denny | Feb 03 20:43 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: No, you cant do that with H.264 « Digital Diary of Ben Schwartz .::. Size~: 54.43 KB | Feb 03 20:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@ricstewart: @kelzladi But #Obama is doing the same things #Bush did. Their policies are virtually identical. // controlled by same ppl | Feb 03 20:44 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.themoneytimes.com/featured/20100202/google-introduce-app-store-businesses-id-1099109.html *LOL* | Feb 03 20:45 |
| schestowitz | "The only platforms that are expected to fade away are WebOS and Linux. Since Android is fast becoming users’ favorite, there’s no way users will take a chance by choosing a pure Linux option." | Feb 03 20:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google to introduce App Store for businesses | The Money Times .::. Size~: 34.66 KB | Feb 03 20:45 |
| schestowitz | "Pure Linux" | Feb 03 20:45 |
| balzac | obama is much better than bush in regards to open source and free software | Feb 03 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: doubtfull | Feb 03 20:45 |
| balzac | obama should meet RMS | Feb 03 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Wireless is probably not such a limittation | Feb 03 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Ask them in #mandriva | Feb 03 20:46 |
| balzac | call it the hacker summit | Feb 03 20:46 |
| schestowitz | balzac: RMS is busy | Feb 03 20:46 |
| cubezzz | there's no chance? | Feb 03 20:46 |
| balzac | pff | Feb 03 20:46 |
| schestowitz | He talks to people who make changes | Feb 03 20:46 |
| cubezzz | that's just stupid | Feb 03 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Like presidents in south America | Feb 03 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Obama is like Pelosi | Feb 03 20:46 |
| cubezzz | I got a whole house filled with Linux | Feb 03 20:46 |
| schestowitz | They talk | Feb 03 20:46 |
| balzac | obama doesn't want to be seen near any long-bearded guys | Feb 03 20:46 |
| balzac | beards are bad PR | Feb 03 20:47 |
| cubezzz | <balzac> obama is much better than bush in regards to open source and free software | Feb 03 20:47 |
| cubezzz | yeah he is | Feb 03 20:47 |
| balzac | yep | Feb 03 20:47 |
| balzac | whitehouse.gov runs on GPL-licensed software | Feb 03 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Whote House moves to Drupal and LAMP | Feb 03 20:47 |
| balzac | because it's the best | Feb 03 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Beat me to it! | Feb 03 20:47 |
| cubezzz | what is with the fear of beards, eh? | Feb 03 20:47 |
| balzac | yeah, so if people could get their act together, they can get big contracts | Feb 03 20:47 |
| schestowitz | But it's because of Obama's staff | Feb 03 20:47 |
| balzac | cubezzz: i'm just making a guess | Feb 03 20:47 |
| schestowitz | balzac: RMS trimps his beard now | Feb 03 20:48 |
| schestowitz | *trims | Feb 03 20:48 |
| schestowitz | There's nothing wrong with it | Feb 03 20:48 |
| balzac | schestowitz: i wouldn't suggest that would be a precondition for a meeting | Feb 03 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Ben BerBANKi has a beard | Feb 03 20:48 |
| cubezzz | heh | Feb 03 20:48 |
| schestowitz | And Obama likes him | Feb 03 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Well, he has to | Feb 03 20:48 |
| schestowitz | The banking sector funded Obama's campaign | Feb 03 20:48 |
| balzac | he can have a beard which drags on the floor as far as I'm concerned, just so long as he's right about his proposals. | Feb 03 20:48 |
| cubezzz | RMS trims his beard, whooa | Feb 03 20:48 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Feb 03 20:48 |
| schestowitz | People go by prejudices | Feb 03 20:49 |
| balzac | at least he could meet with Linus Torvalds, Mark Shuttleworth, and the respectable Open Source crowd | Feb 03 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Breads, moustaches, sex, age, race.. | Feb 03 20:49 |
| cubezzz | it's just stupid though | Feb 03 20:49 |
| balzac | i trim my beard too | Feb 03 20:50 |
| schestowitz | MarkS could grow a beard | Feb 03 20:50 |
| cubezzz | because I don't scrap a razor across my chin I'm not socially acceptable? | Feb 03 20:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .@V_and_A the V&A has enough money and doesn't want any more ever, right? Been a month now - http://is.gd/7DGRP most puzzling behaviour | Feb 03 20:50 | |
| balzac | but what about the bearded hacker from Red Hat, Alan Cox? | Feb 03 20:50 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: David Gerard » Blog Archive » Dear museums, help me to help you. .::. Size~: 12.71 KB | Feb 03 20:50 |
| balzac | he's still rather scary, last time i saw him. (kidding) | Feb 03 20:50 |
| schestowitz | balzac: what about him? | Feb 03 20:50 |
| balzac | never met him, only talking about pictures | Feb 03 20:50 |
| balzac | long beard | Feb 03 20:50 |
| schestowitz | So? | Feb 03 20:51 |
| schestowitz | he didn't grow it | Feb 03 20:51 |
| balzac | that's all | Feb 03 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Itjust grew | Feb 03 20:51 |
| balzac | no comment, just noting a hacker beard | Feb 03 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Other people work hard shortening theirs | Feb 03 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Some do it every day... you could call hat obsessive :-p | Feb 03 20:51 |
| balzac | i maintain my facial hair for the ladies | Feb 03 20:51 |
| balzac | if long beards were in demand from the females i want, i would have a long beard. | Feb 03 20:52 |
| balzac | but it would be ugly as hell | Feb 03 20:52 |
| schestowitz | We're all running away from being human | Feb 03 20:52 |
| balzac | what, are you going to grow a long terrible beard? | Feb 03 20:52 |
| cubezzz | hell yeah | Feb 03 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Women shaving, braces for teenagers, silicon implants, nose jobs.... | Feb 03 20:52 |
| cubezzz | the longer the beard the more it proves your dislike of Microsoft :) | Feb 03 20:53 |
| balzac | schestowitz: you want a hairy legged woman? | Feb 03 20:53 |
| schestowitz | No | Feb 03 20:53 |
| cubezzz | how hairy are we talking here? ;-0 | Feb 03 20:53 |
| balzac | I don't have the inclination towards "furries" | Feb 03 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Where did I say such a thing? | Feb 03 20:53 |
| balzac | wookie | Feb 03 20:53 |
| cubezzz | haha | Feb 03 20:53 |
| balzac | hippy women like to be wookies | Feb 03 20:54 |
| cubezzz | the Unix thing is true a lot of the time though | Feb 03 20:54 |
| balzac | and they make their husbands praise their hairy legs | Feb 03 20:54 |
| balzac | or they get no dinner | Feb 03 20:54 |
| cubezzz | Unix guys had beards :) | Feb 03 20:54 |
| balzac | jk | Feb 03 20:54 |
| schestowitz | balzac: you have a way of spoiling the conversation soemtimes | Feb 03 20:54 |
| balzac | sorry | Feb 03 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Why are we even talking abut RMS beard anyway? | Feb 03 20:55 |
| balzac | </end hair topic> | Feb 03 20:55 |
| schestowitz | That's what Microsoft does | Feb 03 20:55 |
| balzac | let's trim this topic | Feb 03 20:55 |
| schestowitz | To avoid people from talking about ideas and insteas focus on RMS' appearance | Feb 03 20:55 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft AstroTurfers in /, do that too when RMS comes up | Feb 03 20:55 |
| balzac | i already said he ought to have a jet and a sky scraper | Feb 03 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Famous tactic | Feb 03 20:55 |
| balzac | schestowitz: you know what side i'm on - freedom of computer users | Feb 03 20:56 |
| balzac | and freedom for hair styles too | Feb 03 20:56 |
| schestowitz | >> Well, Jan is a RHT employee. I think he didn't intend to insult. | Feb 03 20:56 |
| schestowitz | >> | Feb 03 20:56 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 03 20:56 |
| schestowitz | > The term is pejorative. | Feb 03 20:56 |
| schestowitz | I've noticed how in Trash TV like Fox they try to imply the "boy" part | Feb 03 20:56 |
| schestowitz | by making statements like "what would your mother say?" | Feb 03 20:56 |
| schestowitz | That how they smear "non-believer" guests or those "damn Liberal". | Feb 03 20:56 |
| cubezzz | what does that mean? | Feb 03 20:56 |
| schestowitz | balzac: I know | Feb 03 20:57 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: out of context | Feb 03 20:57 |
| balzac | hacker hair is distinct from hippy hair | Feb 03 20:57 |
| cubezzz | that's just American TV | Feb 03 20:57 |
| balzac | so is metal hair | Feb 03 20:57 |
| cubezzz | balzac.... | Feb 03 20:57 |
| schestowitz | >>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:25:32 -0600, Mark Kent <mark.kent@demon.co.uk> | Feb 03 20:57 |
| schestowitz | >>> wrote: | Feb 03 20:57 |
| balzac | you can have hair as a hacker or metal head without being hippy | Feb 03 20:57 |
| schestowitz | >>> | Feb 03 20:57 |
| schestowitz | >>>> As soon as a term like "fanboy" appears, there is no need to read | Feb 03 20:57 |
| schestowitz | >>>> further. | Feb 03 20:57 |
| cubezzz | you're still talking about hair | Feb 03 20:57 |
| schestowitz | >>> | Feb 03 20:57 |
| schestowitz | >>> Even more so if it's "boi" with and "i". Another one is *-droid". | Feb 03 20:57 |
| balzac | ok, done | Feb 03 20:57 |
| cubezzz | some Liberal ideas are good, some Conservative ideas are good | Feb 03 20:58 |
| cubezzz | anyway, enough with labels | Feb 03 20:58 |
| cubezzz | there's good ideas and bad ideas | Feb 03 20:58 |
| schestowitz | http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2010/01/27/why-the-apple-ipad-is-a-huge-disappointment-more-bad-than-good/ | Feb 03 20:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why the Apple iPad is a huge disappointment more bad than good - TECH.BLORGE.com .::. Size~: 96.04 KB | Feb 03 20:58 |
| balzac | gnu power | Feb 03 20:59 |
| balzac | can we agree on that? | Feb 03 20:59 |
| schestowitz | PPC? | Feb 03 20:59 |
| cubezzz | balzac, of course | Feb 03 20:59 |
| balzac | GNU Crew - we cannot be defeated | Feb 03 20:59 |
| balzac | grab glory | Feb 03 21:00 |
| cubezzz | I just want my ARM laptop | Feb 03 21:00 |
| balzac | me too | Feb 03 21:00 |
| cubezzz | I port GNU utilities all the time | Feb 03 21:00 |
| balzac | i want advancement of the state of the art | Feb 03 21:00 |
| balzac | hurd advancement | Feb 03 21:00 |
| schestowitz | I smell a troll: http://www.cmswire.com/cms/enterprise-cms/red-hat-launches-opensourcecom-006529.php | Feb 03 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | "The Internet is littered with the bodies of slain open source communities. One might even say that Internet is one big open source community in and of itself, since it was both founded and runs on the shoulders of many massive open source projects." | Feb 03 21:00 |
| balzac | The digerati are prone to balkanization and circular firing squads, also buy-outs | Feb 03 21:01 |
| cubezzz | facebook is maxing out one of my cpus :-/ | Feb 03 21:01 |
| balzac | one facebook tab open? | Feb 03 21:02 |
| cubezzz | not any more | Feb 03 21:02 |
| cubezzz | is that proper english? Or is it "anymore" | Feb 03 21:02 |
| cubezzz | I think it's one word | Feb 03 21:03 |
| cubezzz | facebook is just so slow | Feb 03 21:05 |
| cubezzz | adverb, most commonly spelt as one word | Feb 03 21:06 |
| cubezzz | who decides these things? :) | Feb 03 21:07 |
| balzac | it's all the ajax | Feb 03 21:09 |
| balzac | i'm looking forward to the patent office reform to drop all software patents | Feb 03 21:10 |
| cubezzz | hahaha, schestowitz, you are funny | Feb 03 21:10 |
| balzac | and then Roy can rebrand his blog and it doesn't have to be boycottnovell.com | Feb 03 21:10 |
| balzac | Roy and I should write up a business plan on a napkin in the presence of millionaires | Feb 03 21:12 |
| cubezzz | just change it to boycottmicrosoft.com | Feb 03 21:12 |
| balzac | and get massive funding for a gnu company | Feb 03 21:12 |
| balzac | how about lobby the dang patent office to get rid of software patents? | Feb 03 21:12 |
| cubezzz | I could have written a boycott microsoft web page before web pages existed | Feb 03 21:12 |
| balzac | i still play halo | Feb 03 21:13 |
| balzac | but i don't buy software that restricts freedoms | Feb 03 21:13 |
| balzac | i play a friends xbox 360 sometimes | Feb 03 21:13 |
| balzac | i decided it's not so different from running an old nintendo rom | Feb 03 21:14 |
| balzac | that's not free software. games are different. | Feb 03 21:14 |
| balzac | i want to make free software games | Feb 03 21:14 |
| balzac | but i'll play old game roms even without having the nintendo source code for super mario | Feb 03 21:15 |
| balzac | and old mac games such as dark castle | Feb 03 21:15 |
| cubezzz | yes, I used to like sega genesis games | Feb 03 21:15 |
| balzac | is there an emulator so you can play them? | Feb 03 21:15 |
| cubezzz | and Neo Geo, Sega Saturn... and a ton of others | Feb 03 21:15 |
| cubezzz | yes, there's an emulator for almost everything | Feb 03 21:16 |
| cubezzz | I used to play Columns a lot | Feb 03 21:17 |
| cubezzz | but I don't play video games much anymore | Feb 03 21:17 |
| cubezzz | just a bit here and there | Feb 03 21:17 |
| balzac | imagine one day Roy Schestowitz having a business lunch with Ron Hovsepian and Steve Ballmer | Feb 03 21:18 |
| balzac | and myself of course, in addition to venture capitalists | Feb 03 21:18 |
| balzac | we just need Microsoft to see the light on the silliness of software patents | Feb 03 21:18 |
| balzac | really, just the patent office needs to get real | Feb 03 21:18 |
| balzac | i'll do civil disobedience on software patents all day long | Feb 03 21:18 |
| balzac | to prove their illegality | Feb 03 21:19 |
| balzac | and unenforceable nature | Feb 03 21:19 |
| cubezzz | Neo Geo is 20 years old now :) | Feb 03 21:19 |
| cubezzz | the patent thing is a USA thing | Feb 03 21:20 |
| cubezzz | we don't even have patents on software | Feb 03 21:20 |
| balzac | cubezzz: what country? | Feb 03 21:21 |
| cubezzz | Canada | Feb 03 21:22 |
| balzac | that's good | Feb 03 21:22 |
| balzac | software patents are just a joke | Feb 03 21:22 |
| balzac | anyone who speculates on the value of a software patent portfolio is speculating on tulips | Feb 03 21:22 |
| balzac | i should be like Jim Cramer from Mad Money - I recommend people sell, sell, sell any company whose value is based on a software patent portfolio | Feb 03 21:23 |
| balzac | that could help big companies learn not to tout their patents. | Feb 03 21:24 |
| balzac | short them if they give any indication their company's strength is based on software patents | Feb 03 21:24 |
| balzac | where did schestowitz go? | Feb 03 21:24 |
| balzac | i think we have a business plan | Feb 03 21:25 |
| balzac | just got to get Jim Cramer involved | Feb 03 21:25 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/355246/arm-our-netbooks-will-fly-with-or-without-windows I forgot how much arm is used in general PCs | Feb 03 21:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: ARM: our netbooks will fly with or without Windows | News | PC Pro .::. Size~: 51.3 KB | Feb 03 21:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Amazon v Macmillan: free market fail | Scott Westerfeld | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/yldytks | Feb 03 21:43 | |
| schestowitz | http://phonereport.info/mac-os-x-10.3-ported-to-nokia-n900-of-little-practical-use/ did they need to port it to realise OS X is of "no practical use"? | Feb 03 21:48 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mac OS X 10.3 Ported to Nokia N900, of Little Practical Use | PhoneReport v2.0 .::. Size~: 50.79 KB | Feb 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, seen that | Feb 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Also, Android tablets are coming | Feb 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz | maybe ARM-based ones... | Feb 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.standard.net/2010/02/why-the-ipad-shouldnt-be-lining-your-panties-anytime-soon/ | Feb 03 21:48 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why The iPad Shouldnt Be Lining Your Panties Anytime Soon « Standard Examiner Blogs .::. Size~: 54.61 KB | Feb 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Apple dropped the diaper... I mean, the pad | Feb 03 21:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Harriet Harman backs down over employment equality for churches - Govt's battle hardened will is made of jelly http://tinyurl.com/yakmhoj | Feb 03 21:51 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Harriet Harman backs down over employment equality for churches - Times Online .::. Size~: 110.64 KB | Feb 03 21:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: watch this photo: http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2010-01/ipad%E2%80%99s-closed-system-sometimes-i-hate-being-right | Feb 03 21:56 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The iPad’s Closed System: Sometimes I Hate Being Right | Popular Science .::. Size~: 125.28 KB | Feb 03 21:56 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 03 21:57 |
| schestowitz | He shattered it on the ground next | Feb 03 21:57 |
| schestowitz | "Though shall not read a book to a friend" | Feb 03 21:58 |
| MinceR | indeed, that would be copyright infringement | Feb 03 21:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How 'News' works: Charlie Brooker - How To Report The News http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtGSXMuWMR4 | Feb 03 22:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Interesting new Linux distro, Stali: uclibc, all binaries static, monolithic kernel http://is.gd/7DXhn HT @schestowitz | Feb 03 22:06 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Harder than diamond crystalized carbon could be used in place of steel http://ur1.ca/lehf #science | Feb 03 22:07 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Science Story | Harder-Than-Diamond Natural Carbon Crystals Found .::. Size~: 163.17 KB | Feb 03 22:07 |
| balzac | i sold my asus eee | Feb 03 22:09 |
| balzac | i sold it because i needed cash | Feb 03 22:09 |
| balzac | i may replace it with a larger asus model later | Feb 03 22:09 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Google #Android now has collectables http://ur1.ca/lehj | Feb 03 22:12 | |
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| balzac | I wonder if Asus makes any of their UL30Vt available without an OS | Feb 03 22:12 |
| oiaohm | Unlikely balzac | Feb 03 22:16 |
| oiaohm | You forget kick back for bundled software. balzac | Feb 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mediaweek.co.uk/news/980611/Nokia-app-store-passes-one-million-downloads-day-mark/ | Feb 03 22:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Nokia app store passes one million downloads a day mark - Media news - Media Week .::. Size~: 48.96 KB | Feb 03 22:21 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | you might enjoy this thread: http://mepislovers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24925 | Feb 03 22:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Titled: Resolved - need moonlight in 8.5 | Feb 03 22:32 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | comment number 10 says it all, as to why Moonlight in addition to the patents/legal/etc problems, is just no good | Feb 03 22:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and why M$ with Miguel's (Novell) help, makes mono-moonlight a 2nd rate platform | Feb 03 22:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or should I say, a M$ trojan | Feb 03 22:34 |
| balzac | Well, I suppose I don't need to worry about brand loyalty with asus | Feb 03 22:36 |
| balzac | do we have any favored PC manufacturer's left? | Feb 03 22:36 |
| balzac | who sells notebooks without an OS? | Feb 03 22:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS and Miguel know full well that mono-moonlight is incapable of playing Silverlight content from Netflix because of the ms drm there | Feb 03 22:36 |
| balzac | I may go for a lenovo for my next notebook | Feb 03 22:36 |
| oiaohm | Intel proved it possible to force MS to give over silverlight for Linux. | Feb 03 22:36 |
| oiaohm | So really why bother with moonlight | Feb 03 22:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | oiaohm> yes, right as almost always | Feb 03 22:37 |
| oiaohm | I am supprised people are not more up in arms that intel can get real silverlight for Linux yet most others cannot. | Feb 03 22:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm> So really why bother with moonlight?" For me, never, I was just passing on the post, as I thought it might be of interest here. The point I like to make is how useless moonlight is | Feb 03 22:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Oiaohm> if Intel can get it, at some point someone well get the flash dump of it, and hack it. And it will end up in a repo in some part of the world they cannot sue. | Feb 03 22:39 |
| oiaohm | If MS is truly wanting to make it a platform should they not be releasing it to all directly? | Feb 03 22:40 |
| oiaohm | Ie not giving different parties specal treatment. | Feb 03 22:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If moonlight is useless, and it is, then Mono is too. As Moonlight is supposedly the killer app. | Feb 03 22:40 |
| oiaohm | Problem for Moonlight and Flash is more and more html5 is picking up what they are aimed at doing. | Feb 03 22:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Oiaohm> the point that is made here that MS does not release Silverlight for Linux directly because they want Mono-Moonlight so as to be substandard. | Feb 03 22:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which is a true statement | Feb 03 22:42 |
| oiaohm | For what reason. | Feb 03 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Either to destory Linux or to be able to destory Novell after it built the market. Or both | Feb 03 22:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So Windows will do everything silverlight that Linux-mono-moonlight cannot, like play netflix | Feb 03 22:42 |
| oiaohm | I more take the line of both. | Feb 03 22:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, both probably | Feb 03 22:43 |
| oiaohm | I know of very few companies that have made deals with MS and walked away in good condition. | Feb 03 22:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but the fact that moonlight cannot, and most likely never will be able to legally play the MS DRM licencing in the Netflix Silverlight videos, means something. And it should be taken to the front of the debate. | Feb 03 22:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Moonlight is useless | Feb 03 22:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | therefore mono is too | Feb 03 22:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the one thing users want it to do it cannot | Feb 03 22:45 |
| oiaohm | If you really understand how the Linux kernel works you can see major problems with all JIT language designs. | Feb 03 22:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which is beyond me most likely | Feb 03 22:46 |
| oiaohm | People forget that Linux kernel does GC on a process by process base. | Feb 03 22:46 |
| oiaohm | So all the talk about GC giving safety is mostly crap. | Feb 03 22:47 |
| oiaohm | Ie since mono containes a GC it safe.... | Feb 03 22:47 |
| oiaohm | Multi process application that in a lot of cases runs faster than mono is also as safe. | Feb 03 22:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, I am not a fan of Netflix or Blockbuster. | Feb 03 22:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But I expect that Silverlight for Linux on Intel will get pawned. | Feb 03 22:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Because MS has basically paid off both Netflix and Blockbuster to use their patented Silverlight tech | Feb 03 22:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Will it be legal? no | Feb 03 22:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe in some parts of the world, maybe | Feb 03 22:51 |
| oiaohm | Really hope MS does. | Feb 03 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Intel is not past sueing MS ass off. | Feb 03 22:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | myself I don't want Silverlight | Feb 03 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Neither do I | Feb 03 22:52 |
| oiaohm | But I would like an another interesting court case against MS. | Feb 03 22:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I can find what I want with other means | Feb 03 22:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But I do believe that M$ is trying to drive demand for Silverlight with Netflix and Blockbuster. Using both of these two, is creating another monopoly in the USA, as they are the biggest two in this market for most users here. | Feb 03 22:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Blockbuster, correction, I know it uses Net and MS DRM, but it never says where I can see that it uses Silverlight, but I believe it does | Feb 03 22:55 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | comment number #10 from the link: "No drm so it doesn't work on something you would want it for like netflix." | Feb 03 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Feb 03 22:57 |
| schestowitz | I'll mentioned this tomorrow | Feb 03 22:57 |
| schestowitz | There's related news.... | Feb 03 22:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The dirty little secret of Mono-Moonlight is, its never going do what you want it to really do. | Feb 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Linux Tablet from Google Coming BTW ....... \0/ | Feb 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft sill in the pits http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1000001161,40018130-39001096c-20106869o,00.htm | Feb 03 22:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: How many more times? - Conficker worm disrupts Manchester police systems - Talkback at ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 86.38 KB | Feb 03 22:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | Chips_B_Malroy: one of the dirty secrets :) | Feb 03 22:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: wow. when will they wake up. :-( | Feb 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: but Microsoft can tell regulators it plays "nice" with Linux | Feb 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | That's what the deal with Novell was partly about | Feb 03 22:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | FurnaceBoy> yes, hehe | Feb 03 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Pretence of support and fair play... with SOFTWARE patents | Feb 03 22:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: did you see Bugliosi on YouTube calling for Bush prosecution? | Feb 03 22:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So, MS needs to come even more clean than just its community promise not to sue Linux. It needs to also open source its DRM, if users want to play Netflix Silverlight. | Feb 03 23:00 |
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| oiaohm | Chips_B_Malroy: the community promise is time limited | Feb 03 23:00 |
| MinceR | actually they need to start providing proper patent licenses | Feb 03 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Or is complete crap. Chips_B_Malroy | Feb 03 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Ie only covering programmers who don't get paid. | Feb 03 23:01 |
| MinceR | ones that apply to everyone, are free of charge, and don't have a time limit | Feb 03 23:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you right on both oiaohm | Feb 03 23:01 |
| MinceR | to the entirety of .net/mono | Feb 03 23:01 |
| oiaohm | that is a major problem in the Linux world on adverage over 75 percent of programers are paid to build stuff. | Feb 03 23:01 |
| MinceR | until they do that, they're only screwing around, looking for gullible marks they can screw with | Feb 03 23:01 |
| oiaohm | If they want to keep the DRM closed source that is there business. | Feb 03 23:02 |
| oiaohm | But not being prepared to say we will not attack open source is not good. | Feb 03 23:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they are trying to put out a product (moonlight) that is defective by design. Because Miguel and MS already know that the quality Silverlight videos from Netflix contain MS DRM that Moonlight cannot legally play. Moonlight is only able to play Silverlight advertisements. | Feb 03 23:03 |
| schestowitz | "Android also solves the problem that the phone manufacturers had been having | Feb 03 23:05 |
| schestowitz | for many years: a free version of Java and a unified application layer that | Feb 03 23:05 |
| schestowitz | programmers can write to that will work on all phone platforms that integrate | Feb 03 23:05 |
| schestowitz | it. Because of this, all of the existing "Linux Phone Consortium" groups are | Feb 03 23:05 |
| schestowitz | doomed and will probably close up silently very soon now, if they haven't | Feb 03 23:05 |
| schestowitz | already." | Feb 03 23:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/android-kernel-problems.html | Feb 03 23:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: linux kernel monkey log .::. Size~: 7.31 KB | Feb 03 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I guess there's some nutter out there looking for a job now then. | Feb 03 23:05 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I haven't | Feb 03 23:05 |
| schestowitz | "Linux Phone Consortium" is actually a hyperlink | Feb 03 23:06 |
| schestowitz | to the LiMo foundation | Feb 03 23:06 |
| schestowitz | RIP | Feb 03 23:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://bit.ly/2nkZIZ | Feb 03 23:06 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/20802202"|@schestowitz I recently wrote my congressional representative, asking for that very thing." | Feb 03 23:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Walt Hucks (lnxwalt) 's status on Wednesday, 03-Feb-10 22:20:36 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8 KB | Feb 03 23:07 |
| schestowitz | RMS: "The US could find 85 billion to bail out AIG, but refuses to forgive Haiti's 1 billion dollars of debt." | Feb 03 23:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: somewhat regrettable "patriot call to arms" music dubbed behind it. | Feb 03 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Ah, I see... | Feb 03 23:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: like us, he's been this angry for about 8 yrs. :-| | Feb 03 23:09 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: they gotta catch the terrorist | Feb 03 23:10 |
| schestowitz | It's good that this chap is after them | Feb 03 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Their name is Cheney and Bush | Feb 03 23:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes, it's good | Feb 03 23:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: let's see what kind of smears come out against him. | Feb 03 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I reckon. | Feb 03 23:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | or worse. | Feb 03 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Like Clinton | Feb 03 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll suicide him :-) | Feb 03 23:11 |
| schestowitz | We had this discussion here last night | Feb 03 23:11 |
| oiaohm | The android mess is far more complex than most people dream. | Feb 03 23:12 |
| oiaohm | Androids framebuffer design has ran head long into the X11/fb/kms update. | Feb 03 23:12 |
| MinceR | android fails | Feb 03 23:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | they have the resources to resolve it. :) | Feb 03 23:12 |
| oiaohm | How can you say ouch. | Feb 03 23:13 |
| MinceR | more devices need to use maemo | Feb 03 23:13 |
| oiaohm | Other thing at this stage google kernel developer are working flat out to get kernel google uses globally in there servers alterations merged main line. | Feb 03 23:13 |
| oiaohm | developers | Feb 03 23:13 |
| MinceR | or maybe even desktop gnu/linux | Feb 03 23:13 |
| oiaohm | So there is what you call a resource problem to assist android with its problems. | Feb 03 23:14 |
| oiaohm | Basically google server kernel features main line then we will most likely see work on android start up. | Feb 03 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | The comments here are funny: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10444252-92.html | Feb 03 23:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novell: Virtualization not for all servers | Business Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 87.98 KB | Feb 03 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Its really a big change for google to merge there internal kernel design upstream. | Feb 03 23:16 |
| oiaohm | They were still using cvs for there tracking. | Feb 03 23:17 |
| oiaohm | Not the modern day git. That kinda tells you when they branched off. | Feb 03 23:17 |
| ender2070 | "Novell: Virtualization not for all servers" | Feb 03 23:17 |
| ender2070 | yeah cause Redhat is owning them | Feb 03 23:17 |
| MinceR | lol cvs | Feb 03 23:18 |
| MinceR | lol novell | Feb 03 23:19 |
| oiaohm | Note that was until the middle of 2009 MinceR when they first started the change over to git. And there is over 200 000 lines of code different between mainline and google kernel used in there servers. | Feb 03 23:19 |
| oiaohm | The bad intergration between mainline kernel and google is partly explainable by them using cvs not git alone. | Feb 03 23:20 |
| MinceR | are there no tools to do the conversion automatically? | Feb 03 23:21 |
| MinceR | i've only done tla->git conversion myself :) | Feb 03 23:21 |
| ender2070 | I think git handles cvs | Feb 03 23:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | ...? | Feb 03 23:22 |
| oiaohm | git handles cvs yes | Feb 03 23:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | converting isn't really the issue | Feb 03 23:22 |
| MinceR | then what is? | Feb 03 23:22 |
| oiaohm | But really then need to break what they have been doing into patch groups for submission | Feb 03 23:22 |
| oiaohm | Something cvs does not maintain. | Feb 03 23:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | first , changing the workflow, day to day practices; secondly, yes, converting pending changes, but that can't really be done automatically. | Feb 03 23:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | and what oiaohm said. | Feb 03 23:23 |
| MinceR | shouldn't be that hard | Feb 03 23:23 |
| oiaohm | Time consuming MinceR | Feb 03 23:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, fair hunk of effort, and there has to be the will | Feb 03 23:23 |
| ender2070 | stuff is going nutty brb | Feb 03 23:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | some payoff.. i guess it is inevitable | Feb 03 23:23 |
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| oiaohm | Not having to try to refix eveyrthing when the kernel update is the pay off. | Feb 03 23:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. there is some payoff. | Feb 03 23:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | so it will happen eventually | Feb 03 23:24 |
| oiaohm | Yep but in the time being the system has to be kept running securely. | Feb 03 23:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | even git doesn't solve the "mountain of work not in mainline" issue. | Feb 03 23:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's the real issue. | Feb 03 23:25 |
| oiaohm | git is simple to create groups of patches and apply them against mainline updates. | Feb 03 23:25 |
| oiaohm | and working that way is the best way to use git | Feb 03 23:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure, but it's still a lot of effort to maintain a huge diff codebase. | Feb 03 23:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | git or no git. | Feb 03 23:25 |
| oiaohm | And happens to be the same kind of pattern need to merge upstream. | Feb 03 23:26 |
| oiaohm | cvs does not allow that work pattern so you run around and round in circles with no hope of getting out. | Feb 03 23:26 |
| oiaohm | Ie straight line versioning systems vs parell supporting versioning systems. | Feb 03 23:27 |
| oiaohm | Basically I am impressed google kernel developers lived this long doing it. | Feb 03 23:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | perhaps they die like flies and there's a mass grave out the back! | Feb 03 23:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8495174.stm | Feb 03 23:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 94.46 KB | Feb 03 23:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Greece to face European Commission economic scrutiny bot not working so hard? | Feb 03 23:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | needs a better heuristic maybe :) | Feb 03 23:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] what happened to the new format #tllts? Each ep is still epic movie length with no break | Feb 03 23:31 | |
| schestowitz | http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/02/is-google-forking-the-linux-kernel/ | Feb 03 23:40 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Jan Wildeboer · Is Google forking the Linux kernel? .::. Size~: 30.6 KB | Feb 03 23:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Android-code-removed-from-Linux-kernel-920688.html | Feb 03 23:41 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Android code removed from Linux kernel - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.16 KB | Feb 03 23:41 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: thoughts? | Feb 03 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: bot on the server (remote) is not as up to date | Feb 03 23:42 |
| MinceR | 002059 < FurnaceBoy> even git doesn't solve the "mountain of work not in mainline" issue. | Feb 03 23:44 |
| MinceR | depends on your workflow | Feb 03 23:44 |
| MinceR | you could have developers integrate their own patches often | Feb 03 23:45 |
| oiaohm | http://lwn.net/Articles/357658/ << Simple fact Google is insanely busiss in there kernel developer departments. schestowitz | Feb 03 23:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: KS2009: How Google uses Linux [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 79.89 KB | Feb 03 23:45 |
| oiaohm | somethign has to suffer it looks like android is the one hurting schestowitz | Feb 03 23:46 |
| schestowitz | OK then | Feb 03 23:46 |
| oiaohm | Then you think most of the alterations required have to alter the android stack as well. | Feb 03 23:47 |
| oiaohm | to fixup that android code. | Feb 03 23:47 |
| oiaohm | Its not going to be a nice operation to fix. | Feb 03 23:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab indeed | Feb 03 23:48 | |
| oiaohm | Every company has limits and I think google just found theres. schestowitz | Feb 03 23:48 |
| oiaohm | Year after year google has just been able to keep on expanding and not hit it development limit. | Feb 03 23:48 |
| oiaohm | The important thing here is we don't understand fully it is really strange for google to put something upstream in any project then not take care of it. | Feb 03 23:52 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: big thing here google is nice most of the time to open source. But all business releationship are not going to run perfectly smooth. | Feb 03 23:53 |
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