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Chips_B_Malroygoblin:  u there?  your page on zune, does not show up in the main page at:  http://openbytes.wordpress.com/   at least for meFeb 04 00:14
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_goblinhi!Feb 04 00:16
_goblinsorry......lets have a lookFeb 04 00:16
_goblinhttp://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/04/09/the-wrath-of-zune-ms-flogging-a-dead-horse/#comment-2700Feb 04 00:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Wrath of Zune  MS Flogging a dead horse? «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 39.11 KBFeb 04 00:17
_goblinthat one?Feb 04 00:18
Chips_B_Malroyyes, I know I have the link from here, but your main page does not show it.  As you might not be getting hits from those that just visit the home pageFeb 04 00:18
Chips_B_MalroyyesFeb 04 00:19
_goblinthe article is old....Feb 04 00:19
_goblinnone of my articles are linked from the main page....Feb 04 00:19
_goblinthey just pop off the page when theres over a certain amount....Feb 04 00:19
_goblinwrath of zune was April 09Feb 04 00:20
Chips_B_MalroyokFeb 04 00:20
_goblinforgotten about that picture though...its pretty good....Zunnnnnne!!!!!Feb 04 00:20
Chips_B_Malroysorry, I was thinking it was newFeb 04 00:21
_goblinah..np...Feb 04 00:21
Chips_B_MalroyKirk: KhhhaaannnnnnnnFeb 04 00:21
_goblin...personally Id rather be stuck on the Genesis planet than stuck with a Zune!Feb 04 00:22
Chips_B_MalroyWell, have neither a Zune or an Ipod.  But like DaemonFC I do have a Sansa, it was a birthday giftFeb 04 00:23
schestowitzTiger Woods! Who cares? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iDJ1k5RMcAFeb 04 00:24
Chips_B_MalroyI think if one could get reliable numbers on what is being sold, that Zune does not even come out at #2Feb 04 00:24
schestowitz#51 in AmazonFeb 04 00:25
schestowitzIIRCFeb 04 00:25
schestowitzIn Xmas!!Feb 04 00:25
schestowitzI could find the URL if you're really interestedFeb 04 00:25
Chips_B_MalroyBut from Roy's figure, losing 54% in a quarter (100million dollars) means that Zune went from an 800 million in sales per year to 400 million, if projections are correct.Feb 04 00:25
Chips_B_MalroyRoy, no need to search for itFeb 04 00:26
Chips_B_MalroyZune might go multinational, just to dump the remaining stockFeb 04 00:26
Chips_B_MalroyBut the market is tanking for expensive mp3 players,  Even Ipod sales are down some, the market is satuated with these now.Feb 04 00:27
cubezzzbah, just trying to figure out gnucashFeb 04 00:29
cubezzzevidently I have to download the banking info month by monthFeb 04 00:29
Chips_B_MalroyBigger problem is the XBox360, with its 13% decline in revenue during the Xmas season quarter.   Would guess more people are seeing the RROD/E74/dsk scratching problems, and avoiding MS nowFeb 04 00:29
Chips_B_Malroyafter awhile people catch onFeb 04 00:29
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FurnaceBoyyou say that like it's a bad thing ;-)Feb 04 00:39
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DaemonFCKarl Rove is writing more bullshit for Wall Street JournalFeb 04 00:53
DaemonFChttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6125MX20100203Feb 04 00:54
DaemonFCRepublicans complain that the Christmas Day bombing suspect was given rights as prescribed by the ConstitutionFeb 04 00:54
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phIRCe-BNcHello World!Feb 04 00:57
schestowitzGlenn Beck = Racist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3NmjMiAgJ4Feb 04 00:57
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: this is news to you? :)Feb 04 01:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] AFACT v iiNet: Statement in full from the losing party http://is.gd/7EtMYFeb 04 01:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: AFACT v iiNet: Statement in full from the losing party http://is.gd/7EtMYFeb 04 01:07
DaemonFCschestowitz: 1,000 Ways To Die is pretty neatFeb 04 01:07
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DaemonFC:DFeb 04 01:07
DaemonFCschestowitz: http://www.lockergnome.com/blade/2010/02/02/microsoft-looking-into-false-bad-battery-reports-by-windows-7-users/Feb 04 01:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle:    Microsoft Looking Into False Bad Battery Reports By Windows 7 Users ~ The Blade by Ron Schenone, MVP .::. Size~: 65.81 KBFeb 04 01:10
DaemonFCWindows 7 is now warning users that their battery is going bad when it isn'tFeb 04 01:10
DaemonFC:)Feb 04 01:10
Chips_B_MalroyRemember that Vista also had problems early on with Laptop batteries, as in the extra DRM in vista over XP sucked the life out of batteriesFeb 04 01:17
Chips_B_Malroybut different problemFeb 04 01:17
DaemonFCyeah, they've worked on that, same DRM but doesn't suck your battery dry like Vista didFeb 04 01:18
Chips_B_Malroyits only supposed to affect certain bios versions is what I readFeb 04 01:18
DaemonFClmao, terrorists wit ha GPS timer connected to a bomb meant to blow up a police station blew themselves upFeb 04 01:19
DaemonFCcause it reset itself for daylight savings time and blew up an hour early :)Feb 04 01:19
Chips_B_Malroybut still, I wonder how widespread the battery problem really isFeb 04 01:20
DaemonFCWhere does Allah send you if you're a moron that blows yourself up?Feb 04 01:20
Chips_B_Malroyas in you can trust MS that its only a few bios versionsFeb 04 01:21
Chips_B_Malroy"always trust MS"Feb 04 01:21
Chips_B_MalroylolFeb 04 01:21
Chips_B_Malroywatch for this battery problem to become a bigger problemFeb 04 01:22
DaemonFCmehFeb 04 01:22
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: this evidence isFeb 04 01:22
schestowitzDaemonFC: took them so long to find bugs?Feb 04 01:24
schestowitzDaemonFC: he says MVP\Feb 04 01:24
schestowitzJus )MS_ MVPFeb 04 01:24
schestowitzwith blinders onFeb 04 01:25
schestowitzgroupthinkFeb 04 01:25
Chips_B_MalroyMS looking into knows its a problemFeb 04 01:26
Chips_B_Malroythe question is, what shortcut did ms take to get longer battery life from Vista DRM to Seven, that also hosed it up after running for months?Feb 04 01:27
DaemonFCschestowitz: You know how many configurations an OS has to work withFeb 04 01:28
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DaemonFCso it doesn't surprise me when it conflicts with a certain BIOS but not the other 1,000Feb 04 01:29
DaemonFCLinux has glitches like this sometimes tooFeb 04 01:29
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Chips_B_MalroyWorse, the article I read the other day, stated that reinstalling Vista or XP might not bring the battery back.  Which suggusts that Seven is actually killing the battery in some sort of wayFeb 04 01:29
DaemonFCsometimes it's a BIOS bug that the kernel has to work around, sometimes it's something Linux is doing wrongFeb 04 01:29
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: Windows 7 was the first time I actually got snagged by Windows DRMFeb 04 01:30
Chips_B_Malroylinux is not involved with this DaemonFC, this is purely a Vista/7 problemFeb 04 01:30
DaemonFCWindows Media Center + TV tunerFeb 04 01:30
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: I'm just saying it's not surprising that this wasn't a tested configurationFeb 04 01:31
Chips_B_Malroyyes, Vista and Seven use HD TV cards, heavy DRMFeb 04 01:31
DaemonFCit might not have even been shipping during the Beta and RC runsFeb 04 01:31
DaemonFCwhat is disturbing is that the OEM did not notice itFeb 04 01:31
DaemonFChe does not say who the OEM(s) is (are), but this is shoddyFeb 04 01:32
Chips_B_Malroyvideo subsystem was moved to protected pipeline (drm) and the audio as well, in Vista and Seven.Feb 04 01:32
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: Not just HD channels, regular SD channels tooFeb 04 01:32
DaemonFCbut all the DRM happens within Windows Media CenterFeb 04 01:32
DaemonFCother media center software lets you record those channels to non-DRM'd files/formatsFeb 04 01:33
Chips_B_MalroyThe Seven previews, which should expire soon, some of these develop the battery problems as well after 8 months or soFeb 04 01:33
DaemonFCso on some channels in WMC, it will only record them as "Protected WMV"Feb 04 01:33
DaemonFCbut if I use other software, I can save them as Theora+VorbisFeb 04 01:34
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC> no all the DRM does not happen in just WMP.  But I would agree that most of it does.Feb 04 01:34
Chips_B_Malroyits only a matter of time before ms stops other players from doing what wmp cannotFeb 04 01:37
Chips_B_Malroyif they can do that with a switch, and update, or a new version of windows, they will at some pointFeb 04 01:38
Chips_B_Malroycontrol is moneyFeb 04 01:38
Chips_B_MalroyI still have my old analog type tv cards. with hd converter boxs, and a video filter rca.  Feb 04 01:40
Chips_B_Malroyjust, there's nothing on TV worth getting IMOFeb 04 01:40
Chips_B_MalroyLike Floyd said, 13 channels of krap on the TV to chose fromFeb 04 01:40
Chips_B_MalroyI seen what MS was doing with the new TV cardsFeb 04 01:41
Chips_B_Malroyand I am not buying oneFeb 04 01:42
DaemonFCthere's never been any stopping you from using other media playersFeb 04 01:42
cubezzzwhat are they doing?Feb 04 01:43
DaemonFCthat would probably bring on some lawsuitsFeb 04 01:43
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Chips_B_Malroy22 minutes of commercials in a one hour program is unreasonableFeb 04 01:43
cubezzzmy tv card works great Feb 04 01:43
cubezzzoh that :)Feb 04 01:43
cubezzzyep :)Feb 04 01:43
DaemonFCcubezzz: Turn it to AMC, I know that's one of the channels that it DRMsFeb 04 01:43
cubezzzDaemonFC, I don't think AMC is broadcasting on UHFFeb 04 01:44
cubezzzI'm on antennaFeb 04 01:44
DaemonFCoh, well....Feb 04 01:44
DaemonFC:PFeb 04 01:44
cubezzzI get 27 channelsFeb 04 01:44
DaemonFCover UHF?Feb 04 01:44
DaemonFCwowFeb 04 01:44
cubezzzyesFeb 04 01:44
DaemonFCI'd get like 3 I thinkFeb 04 01:45
DaemonFCbeen a while since I checkedFeb 04 01:45
DaemonFCI think I get 3 UHF and 2 VHF hereFeb 04 01:45
*cubezzz blinksFeb 04 01:45
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC> ok, so will it DRM the AMC channel on the old analog tv card as well?  I know it will use macrovision, but that can be filtered.Feb 04 01:45
cubezzzyou still receive VHF?Feb 04 01:45
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: Yeah, you have to install PlayReady DRM then you can watch itFeb 04 01:46
DaemonFCbut recordings will be DRM WMVFeb 04 01:46
Chips_B_Malroywith digital HD, I think you are hosedFeb 04 01:46
cubezzzI'm never hosed :)Feb 04 01:46
cubezzzI have sopcast :)Feb 04 01:46
DaemonFCLike I want to record something they've censored and packed 30 minutes of commercials into to slap on my portable or put on bittorrent anywayFeb 04 01:47
DaemonFC:PFeb 04 01:47
cubezzzand I laugh at your DRM :)Feb 04 01:47
Chips_B_Malroyif I can watch in on the tv screen, I can get it on my old tv cardFeb 04 01:47
Chips_B_Malroythe new tv cards, noFeb 04 01:47
DaemonFCcubezzz: over the air broadcasts are almost extinctFeb 04 01:47
DaemonFCthere's less of them every yearFeb 04 01:48
cubezzzyou could cam-corder off the tv :)Feb 04 01:48
cubezzzreally?Feb 04 01:48
DaemonFCyeahFeb 04 01:48
cubezzzyou should tell that to ABC, CBS and NBC then :)Feb 04 01:48
Chips_B_MalroyI use antennia here tooFeb 04 01:48
cubezzzand CBCFeb 04 01:48
cubezzzand OmniFeb 04 01:48
cubezzzand WNEDFeb 04 01:48
Chips_B_Malroybut have the stations are in spanishFeb 04 01:49
DaemonFCmaybe there's more of it in Canada, I don't knowFeb 04 01:49
cubezzzI'm sure I could think of more too, just a sec :)Feb 04 01:49
DaemonFCthere's almost none of it hereFeb 04 01:49
Chips_B_Malroythey may as well be DRMed for me, spanish that isFeb 04 01:49
Chips_B_MalroyhalfFeb 04 01:49
DaemonFCI don't know, if you go back 20 years, I seem to remember there being like 15-16 over the air that I could getFeb 04 01:50
DaemonFCnow it's like 4-5 depending on the weatherFeb 04 01:50
cubezzzDaemonFC, here:Feb 04 01:50
cubezzzhttp://maxhost.org/other/analog-digital-tv.txtFeb 04 01:50
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Chips_B_Malroythere is about 20 stations here antenniaFeb 04 01:51
DaemonFCI last had an antenna around 2006, when I got rid of my DSLFeb 04 01:51
cubezzzhttp://maxhost.org/other/dtv.txtFeb 04 01:51
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DaemonFCI've already mentioned that Comcast fixes their pricing so it's almsot the same price to have cable TV and cable internet as it is for just cable internetFeb 04 01:52
cubezzzI actually get a couple more nowFeb 04 01:52
DaemonFCso I have like the cheapest TV package that will get me the "internet discount"Feb 04 01:52
DaemonFCit's like 100-ish channelsFeb 04 01:52
Chips_B_Malroyhalf spanish, all three major networks, ABC, NBC, CBS, and Daemon's personal favorite FoxFeb 04 01:52
cubezzzplus I'm going FTA soon tooFeb 04 01:52
cubezzzvia satellite dishFeb 04 01:53
Chips_B_MalroydishFeb 04 01:53
Chips_B_MalroyfreeTAFeb 04 01:53
DaemonFCit's like a $15 "discount" on your internet for having the $40 TV package, which goes down $10 for having internetFeb 04 01:53
cubezzzended my Rogers subscription over 1.5 years agoFeb 04 01:54
DaemonFCSo it's like $15 for having the TV packageFeb 04 01:54
DaemonFCthey don't like selling just internetFeb 04 01:54
cubezzzyeah, I'm sure they would love to lock you into their cell, internet, tv servicesFeb 04 01:55
DaemonFCjust don't get the movie channels or your bill skyrockets and there's nothing worth watching on them anywayFeb 04 01:55
DaemonFC$12.95 /month for HBO for exampleFeb 04 01:55
DaemonFCpffftFeb 04 01:55
cubezzzChips_B_Malroy, where are you?Feb 04 01:55
Chips_B_MalroyRedbox is niceFeb 04 01:55
DaemonFCso I'd be paying as much for 4 HBO channels as the 100 other channels I already getFeb 04 01:55
DaemonFC:)Feb 04 01:55
Chips_B_MalroyCubezzz>VegasFeb 04 01:56
cubezzz20 stations isn't badFeb 04 01:56
Chips_B_Malroyits all old stuff when it comes to HBOFeb 04 01:57
DaemonFClmao, these mobsters in Italy had this dude digging his own graveFeb 04 01:57
Chips_B_Malroyor a few months before its hits dvdFeb 04 01:57
DaemonFCso he dug up an unexploded WWI-era hand grenadeFeb 04 01:57
DaemonFCwhich blew up and killed the hitmenFeb 04 01:57
DaemonFC:DFeb 04 01:57
DaemonFC*WWIIFeb 04 01:57
DaemonFCtalk about luckFeb 04 01:58
cubezzzdvd is obsolete :)Feb 04 01:58
Chips_B_MalroyCubezzz> I see you over there where they make real BeerFeb 04 01:59
cubezzzyeah and I don't drink beer :)Feb 04 01:59
Chips_B_Malroycubezzz> dvd is obsolete"   not completely, not everyone, if fact most, do not need blueray qualityFeb 04 02:00
Chips_B_Malroysmall screen is fine for dvd qualityFeb 04 02:00
cubezzzChips_B_Malroy, I don't mean bluray so much as the codecs it usesFeb 04 02:00
Chips_B_Malroybetter for aviFeb 04 02:00
cubezzzI'd love a player that could handle mkv filesFeb 04 02:01
cubezzzDiablo-D3 mentioned oneFeb 04 02:01
Chips_B_Malroylater allFeb 04 02:02
cubezzzlaterFeb 04 02:02
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DaemonFCI might just try to deploy Mandriva 2010 Spring Alpha 2Feb 04 02:02
DaemonFCmost of the individual components are approaching their own final release versions or are there alreadyFeb 04 02:03
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DaemonFCI'm getting impatient honestly, I might just hop onto Fedora Rawhide to get my GPU working :PFeb 04 02:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Faster crap is still crap. -- Ingo Molnar #linux #programmingFeb 04 02:56
DaemonFCI really need to buy some DL-DVDsFeb 04 02:57
DaemonFChmmm, a "30,000 line patch" to enable Geometry Shaders in Mesa was introduced in September but has not landed yetFeb 04 03:08
DaemonFCDirectX has had these for 4 years (Vista betas)Feb 04 03:08
DaemonFCwhat's wrong with this picture?Feb 04 03:09
DaemonFCdid they just figure that they didn't need them until now because Nvidia and ATI both ship their own OpenGL implementations?Feb 04 03:09
FurnaceBoyrelatively few people run with software rendering.Feb 04 03:19
FurnaceBoyfor obvious reasons... :)Feb 04 03:19
DaemonFCwell, yeahFeb 04 03:19
DaemonFC3 fps awesomeness Feb 04 03:19
DaemonFC:)Feb 04 03:19
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: Seems Sandisk is fucking around with Sansas sold worldwide, including in the US, to comply with some EU lawFeb 04 03:23
DaemonFCI might just skip this firmwareFeb 04 03:24
DaemonFCThe EU is now mandating how loud you can listen to your musicFeb 04 03:24
DaemonFCNanny StateFeb 04 03:25
DaemonFCDemolition ManFeb 04 03:26
FurnaceBoyyou should remember that the EU is a very different condition than the New World. It's predicated on cooperation, as the density and disposition of everything is that of a multi-thousand-year cooperative culture, not a frontier culture.Feb 04 03:27
FurnaceBoythink Japan.Feb 04 03:28
FurnaceBoyditto.Feb 04 03:28
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18e4GeUwVWsFeb 04 03:28
FurnaceBoya lot of the broken-ness of the New World (and boy is it broken) is due to the persistence of frontier mentality.Feb 04 03:28
DaemonFCno salt, no red meat, no smoking, no sex outside of marriage, no sex within marriage, no swearing.........Feb 04 03:28
FurnaceBoylong beyond its usefulnessFeb 04 03:28
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: don't confuse Europe with Catholicism.Feb 04 03:29
DaemonFCno listening to your Sansa 2 decibals louder than we tell youFeb 04 03:29
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: remember the French pioneered the secular state. The USA is reverting that.Feb 04 03:29
DaemonFCThe United States government doesn't tell me how loud I can turn up my stereoFeb 04 03:29
FurnaceBoydude, I guess you missed everything I just said.Feb 04 03:30
DaemonFCthe EU apparently does it and nobody even protests thisFeb 04 03:30
FurnaceBoyyou really ought to travel.Feb 04 03:30
FurnaceBoythe Old World is nothing like the New World.Feb 04 03:30
FurnaceBoyread ^^Feb 04 03:30
DaemonFCI don't need a foreign government telling me how lous I can listen to my musicFeb 04 03:30
FurnaceBoysigh.Feb 04 03:30
FurnaceBoyhow ironic.Feb 04 03:30
DaemonFCI don't live there, I don't have to follow their lawsFeb 04 03:30
FurnaceBoywell, we don't live in the USA, why are we dictated to by your free trade agreements, dmca, etcFeb 04 03:31
DaemonFCI'm going to see if I can fix this firmwareFeb 04 03:31
DaemonFCif your country ratified a treaty, then you are bound by that treatyFeb 04 03:32
DaemonFCreplace the people that sign these thingsFeb 04 03:32
DaemonFCI won't stop youFeb 04 03:32
FurnaceBoyI'd love to, but it's easier to emigrate.Feb 04 03:32
FurnaceBoyI found myself out of sync with the population, who elected and re-elected pro-Bush conservatives.Feb 04 03:33
DaemonFCmmhm, or when the invaders set up a puppet government for your country that has full authority over dog catchingFeb 04 03:33
FurnaceBoyyes, I'm describing a puppet government.Feb 04 03:33
DaemonFCit's there to sign laws that benefit the occupying forceFeb 04 03:33
FurnaceBoyso I consider it my country only by accidental birth.Feb 04 03:33
DaemonFCeasier to leave than change thingsFeb 04 03:34
DaemonFCthat's an interesting way of looking at things when most countries are corrupt and complicitFeb 04 03:34
DaemonFCwhere will you go that doesn't have ACTA when that gets passed?Feb 04 03:35
FurnaceBoyI'm planning a house on the moon.Feb 04 03:35
FurnaceBoyyou seem to have misidentified the problem.Feb 04 03:35
DaemonFCSomalia maybe?Feb 04 03:35
DaemonFCI hear they have a lot of real-life piratesFeb 04 03:35
DaemonFCnot just wusses that take mp3sFeb 04 03:36
DaemonFC:)Feb 04 03:36
FurnaceBoypiracy bores meFeb 04 03:36
FurnaceBoyi'm way to busy to consume media muchFeb 04 03:36
FurnaceBoytoo*Feb 04 03:36
cubezzzarrrrr :)Feb 04 03:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@ballardian "printed word creates a cerebral event which visual-dependent media cannot" http://bit.ly/bAmwRF via @daj42 // #McLuhan's turfFeb 04 03:41
cubezzzwe're not under DMCA, or I'm not under DMCAFeb 04 04:03
cubezzzso far DRM hasn't been a problemFeb 04 04:03
DaemonFCI haven't paid any attention to the DMCAFeb 04 04:04
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cubezzzour government takes so many breaks that they can't pass any DMCA like lawsFeb 04 04:04
DaemonFCit's fairly a fairly scurrilous lawFeb 04 04:04
cubezzzyeah, I can't reverse engineer? :)Feb 04 04:05
DaemonFCand selectively enforcedFeb 04 04:05
cubezzzhow would they even stop it?Feb 04 04:05
DaemonFCoh, you can, it's the people that put their name on it that get arrestedFeb 04 04:05
cubezzzok, I'll use "John Smith"Feb 04 04:05
DaemonFCyou'll notice that the only high profile arrests are people that went out of their way to take creditFeb 04 04:05
cubezzzI live on 100 main street :)Feb 04 04:06
cubezzzyeah, rather silly thatFeb 04 04:06
DaemonFCJohn Smith, 123 Fake St., Walla Walla, WaFeb 04 04:06
DaemonFC:)Feb 04 04:06
cubezzzno, Bill Gates, 1 Microsoft Way, Redmon WA :)Feb 04 04:07
DaemonFCDVD BillFeb 04 04:07
DaemonFC\the infamous DVD BillFeb 04 04:07
DaemonFC;)Feb 04 04:07
cubezzzthere was a more serious case with a hacker who cracked satellite tv signalsFeb 04 04:08
cubezzzhe ended up deadFeb 04 04:08
DaemonFCthey wouldn't kill you for itFeb 04 04:08
DaemonFCyou may go to prison for a whileFeb 04 04:09
DaemonFCthat's how they make examples out of peopleFeb 04 04:09
cubezzzwell, the guy is dead, evidently he "hung himself"Feb 04 04:09
DaemonFCthe mafia kills people, the IP Cartel just rigs the laws so you go to prison longer than a child molester, a rapist, or potentially a murderer Feb 04 04:09
cubezzznormally yesFeb 04 04:10
DaemonFCfor cracking DVDs :PFeb 04 04:10
cubezzzin the USA maybeFeb 04 04:10
DaemonFCcubezzz: I just fixed their firmwareFeb 04 04:11
DaemonFCrestoring the volume to the level before the EU crapFeb 04 04:11
cubezzzwhat firmware?Feb 04 04:11
DaemonFCfor the Sansa FuzeFeb 04 04:12
DaemonFCheheFeb 04 04:12
DaemonFCthe volume scale  is restored to where it was before the EU ordered them to lower itFeb 04 04:13
DaemonFCwell, that was easyFeb 04 04:14
*DaemonFC turns it up and plays some Disturbed :PFeb 04 04:16
*DaemonFC will be damned if some foreign country will tell him what to do when he doesn't even obey half the laws in his own country Feb 04 04:21
DaemonFC:)Feb 04 04:21
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FurnaceBoywelcome to how the other half has to live, under USA hegemony Feb 04 04:56
FurnaceBoy:PFeb 04 04:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Two thousand open source applications for the public sector http://bit.ly/9B8zg5Feb 04 05:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] http://blogs.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2010/01/bill-gates-fund.html Bill Gates funds a wide array of research on geoengineering - why?Feb 04 06:11
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kecskebakYou really ought to listen to this - it's great stuff: http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/58336Feb 04 06:59
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phIRCe-BNcHello World!Feb 04 08:34
Omar87Hi all.Feb 04 08:38
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schestowitzHi, Omar87_Feb 04 09:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Growing Very Big in #China (Top Server), Desktops Too http://ur1.ca/lfr2 http://ur1.ca/lfr3Feb 04 09:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: China's Next Supercomputer is using Linux .::. Size~: 54.64 KBFeb 04 09:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open source blog reloaded! : ZDNet Asia Blogs : Open Source by Frederic Muller .::. Size~: 54.57 KBFeb 04 09:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "94% of the over 1,200 users works with Linux." ( #Cuba Report) http://www.periodico26.cu/english/features/jan2010/software013110.htmlFeb 04 09:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxCon 2010 Targets #Linux , But "GNU/Linux" is Important http://ur1.ca/lfru http://ur1.ca/lfrvFeb 04 09:25
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: Technology FLOSS: There's nothing wrong with being thankful (or why I say GNU/Linux) .::. Size~: 85.73 KBFeb 04 09:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sony Vaio E Series Comes with #GNU #Linux http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/02/02/sony-vaio-e-series-pc-with-a-panic-button/Feb 04 09:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Sony Vaio E series: PC with a panic button | Electricpig .::. Size~: 54.98 KBFeb 04 09:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux a Little Bit "Too" Easy http://ur1.ca/lfs6 http://ur1.ca/lfs7Feb 04 09:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux made me feel dumb. | Locutus is us .::. Size~: 50.17 KBFeb 04 09:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ./: Linux Adaptation - The Backdoor Method .::. Size~: 126.27 KBFeb 04 09:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 a "Big Mistake," Should Have Stuck with #GNU #Linux http://www.techeye.net/software/windows-7-gives-untrustworthy-battery-statsFeb 04 09:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Windows 7 gives untrustworthy battery stats | Software news | TechEye - All the technology news unfit for print .::. Size~: 14.64 KBFeb 04 09:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Copenhagen Climate Council Favours Use of #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/lfscFeb 04 09:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Copenhagen Climate Council Promotes GNU/Linux on Thin Clients at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 26.27 KBFeb 04 09:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The Europeans continue to push for the extension of ACTA beyond copyright and trademarks to also include patents: http://i5.be/aqPFeb 04 09:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mission-critical Operations Go with GNU/Linux: #LSE , #KewGardens http://ur1.ca/lfsd http://ur1.ca/lfseFeb 04 09:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: London Stock Exchange’s new bond market will be on Linux – in a year - Kernel and systems - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 81.46 KBFeb 04 09:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Kew Gardens adopts Oracle for multi-million pound IT upgrade - Enterprise Applications - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 83.96 KBFeb 04 09:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CloudLinux Created for Datacentres http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/CloudLinux-wants-to-conquer-data-centres-919645.htmlFeb 04 09:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: CloudLinux wants to conquer data centres - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 30.4 KBFeb 04 09:35
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oiaohmReally the climent change one is right and wrong.Feb 04 09:43
oiaohmThick clients have advantages of stablitity over thin.   But Linux supports more power effective thick clients as well.Feb 04 09:43
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Omar87For some really weird reason, I'm getting banned on some IRC channels.Feb 04 09:44
Omar87Like #backtrack-linux and #archlinuxFeb 04 09:44
Omar87This is really strange.Feb 04 09:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google May Create Another Version/Branch of #Linux http://ur1.ca/lcwr http://ur1.ca/lft9 http://ur1.ca/lftaFeb 04 09:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: linux kernel monkey log .::. Size~: 7.31 KBFeb 04 09:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Android code removed from Linux kernel - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.16 KBFeb 04 09:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Jan Wildeboer · Is Google forking the Linux kernel? .::. Size~: 30.83 KBFeb 04 09:45
schestowitzOmar87: bug maybeFeb 04 09:47
schestowitzYou changed nameFeb 04 09:48
schestowitzfreenodeFeb 04 09:48
schestowitzHad the same thing happen to me for the first time even yesterday after freenode got mixed upFeb 04 09:48
schestowitzLog in again, with passwordFeb 04 09:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Bullet Candy" (Game) Released for #GNU #Linux http://www.linuxpr.com/releases/11862.htmlFeb 04 09:48
schestowitz[17:29] [435] schestowitz #gnu Cannot change nickname while banned on channel Cannot change nickname while banned on channelFeb 04 09:48
schestowitz[17:30] [435] schestowitz #gnu Cannot change nickname while banned on channel Cannot change nickname while banned on channelFeb 04 09:48
schestowitz[17:30] [435] schestowitz #fsf Cannot change nickname while banned on channel Cannot change nickname while banned on channelFeb 04 09:48
schestowitz[17:40] [435] schestowitz #fsf Cannot change nickname while banned on channel Cannot change nickname while banned on channelFeb 04 09:48
schestowitzThat's a bugFeb 04 09:48
Omar87schestowitz: True, I connected to Freenode instead of Kubuntu.irc.Feb 04 09:48
schestowitz[17:42] [435] schestowitz #wordpress-unregistered Cannot change nickname while banned on channel Cannot change nickname while banned on channelFeb 04 09:49
schestowitzOmar87: log in againFeb 04 09:49
oiaohmschestowitz:  problem is google has had 2 branches of the Linux kernel for ages.   Good thing about branches of Linux kernel they normally harm who ever has them.Feb 04 09:49
schestowitzYeah..Feb 04 09:50
Omar87schestowitz: Okay, thanks. It seems fixed now. :)Feb 04 09:51
oiaohmWe can bet that google will at least get rid of one if they can.Feb 04 09:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Desktop Has GNOME.Asia Summit http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/02/gnomeasia-summit-news.htmlFeb 04 09:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE to Have Conference This Week (FOSDEM), Plans Made for Another (Akademy) http://ur1.ca/lftn http://ur1.ca/lftoFeb 04 09:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: KDE at FOSDEM this Weekend | KDE.news .::. Size~: 10.73 KBFeb 04 09:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Akademy Call for Papers Opens  .::. Size~: 32.65 KBFeb 04 09:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest #Fedora and #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Compared http://ur1.ca/lftrFeb 04 09:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Fedora vs. Ubuntu: Is Either Better? — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 69.73 KBFeb 04 09:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Elive 2.0 Almost Reached, #Ulteo Milestone Imminent http://ur1.ca/lftw http://ur1.ca/lftxFeb 04 09:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Elive 2.0 Gets Closer Every Day - Elive 1.9.60 available for testing - Softpedia .::. Size~: 48.99 KBFeb 04 09:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Linux, Windows or both? Doesn't matter to virtual desktop vendor Ulteo .::. Size~: 134.27 KBFeb 04 09:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Gains Another Important #Certification , Builds New Site http://ur1.ca/lfu1 http://ur1.ca/lfu2Feb 04 09:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: atsec Achieves Common Criteria Certification for Red Hat Enterprise Linux Version 5.3 at EAL 4 .::. Size~: 55.27 KBFeb 04 09:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: RedHat Debuts Opensource Web-based Community - ITProPortal.com .::. Size~: 43.24 KBFeb 04 09:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Debian #LiveCD Packs a Punch http://ur1.ca/lfu3 #gnu #linuxFeb 04 09:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Download Ultimate-Debian-LiveCD-i686 Final for Linux - The Ultimate Debian LiveCD! A Megagog plethora of Browsers, utilities, & rescue apps! - Softpedia .::. Size~: 52.56 KBFeb 04 09:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntuzilla Introduced, #Ubuntu Derivative #PCOS 10 in Review http://ur1.ca/lfub http://ur1.ca/lfucFeb 04 10:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ubuntuzilla Repository Makes Firefox 3.6 Installation in Ubuntu Even Simpler | Tech Drive .::. Size~: 71.09 KBFeb 04 10:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Home Appliances Run #Linux http://ur1.ca/lfud http://ur1.ca/lfueFeb 04 10:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Media server device holds business promise - ZDNet.co.uk .::. Size~: 95.7 KBFeb 04 10:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: CCLComputers - The page cannotbe displayed .::. Size~: 23.95 KBFeb 04 10:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia 's #Linux Platform in Review http://ur1.ca/lfuj http://ur1.ca/lce9Feb 04 10:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Jamaica Gleaner News - Mobile computing redefined - Flirting with the Nokia N900 - Feature - Saturday | January 30, 2010 .::. Size~: 20.87 KBFeb 04 10:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Maemo is like a PC in your pocket, but it cries out for a mouse .::. Size~: 29.2 KBFeb 04 10:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux Source Code Released by #HTC , Market Share Keeps Rising http://ur1.ca/lfur http://ur1.ca/lfusFeb 04 10:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   HTC releases Droid Eris source code  .::. Size~: 28.58 KBFeb 04 10:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Tablets from #Google Coming http://ur1.ca/lfuu http://ur1.ca/lfuv http://ur1.ca/lfuw http://ur1.ca/lfuxFeb 04 10:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Swpats are designed to stifle innovation and prevent competition by startups through increasing risk and costs for them: http://i5.be/aqQFeb 04 10:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Leeenux #Linux 2.0 Targets Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/lfv3Feb 04 10:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MSI ready to launch iPad alternative | ITworld .::. Size~: 82.9 KBFeb 04 10:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google's Chrome OS Will Be for Tablets, Too .::. Size~: 50.9 KBFeb 04 10:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: OpenSim developers warn against patents - Hypergrid Business .::. Size~: 52.58 KBFeb 04 10:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ARM Loves #GNU #Linux for Its Sub-notebooks http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/355246/arm-our-netbooks-will-fly-with-or-without-windowsFeb 04 10:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ARM: our netbooks will fly with or without Windows | News | PC Pro .::. Size~: 56.2 KBFeb 04 10:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Digital Preservation Likely to be Done with #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/l5agFeb 04 10:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: News & Events - Library Explores Ways to Release Open Source Software - Digital Preservation (Library of Congress) .::. Size~: 11.16 KBFeb 04 10:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Bill Gates 1991: "The solution to this is patent exchanges with large companies and patenting as much as we can." http://i5.be/aqRFeb 04 10:14
oiaohmhttp://lwn.net/Articles/372264/  Storm in tea cup.   Bug is reallly not showing what CA the site is signed with clearly.Feb 04 10:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: China Internet Network Information Center accepted as a Mozilla root CA [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 47.01 KBFeb 04 10:17
oiaohmDo people truthfully think it impossiable to invalidly register with a different CA to what the person who owns the site is using.Feb 04 10:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Reportedly Spreading Fast in the #Philippines http://ur1.ca/lfvsFeb 04 10:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Business - RP tech advocates gain ground in fight to free the Internet - INQUIRER.net .::. Size~: 79.27 KBFeb 04 10:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fight Against #Censorship and for Freedom in China, UK, NZ http://ur1.ca/lfwj http://ur1.ca/lfwk http://ur1.ca/lfwlFeb 04 10:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC News - Net firms quizzed on China plans .::. Size~: 53.92 KBFeb 04 10:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Opinion: There’s no such thing as anonymity on the internet | Expert Reviews .::. Size~: 45.57 KBFeb 04 10:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] German Supreme Court validates software patents, add a computer and software becomes patentable: http://i5.be/aqSFeb 04 10:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Facebook Helps Improve #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/l4am http://ur1.ca/lbfgFeb 04 10:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Facebook Developers | HipHop for PHP: Move Fast .::. Size~: 28.46 KBFeb 04 10:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] SFLC discussing software patents in an Oggcast: http://i5.be/aqTFeb 04 11:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Judge Uwe Sharen validating software patents in the recent BGH decision (read last page): http://i5.be/aqS He will also rule the EPO EBOAFeb 04 11:02
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phIRCe-BNcHello World!Feb 04 11:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] No StopSoftwarePatents.eu banners available to copy/paste on your website: http://i5.be/aqUFeb 04 11:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Not just #Microsoft Web sites but the PR sites and the investment site of @BillGates also rely on #Akamai http://ur1.ca/lg9mFeb 04 11:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bill Gates Hides Behind GNU/Linux in New Web Sites | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 79.01 KBFeb 04 11:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Further analysis of the revelation that #Microsoft does not permit any competition to even exist http://ur1.ca/lgcz #hp #ricoactFeb 04 11:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: What Microsofts Attack on GNU/Linux at HP Teaches Us | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 80.56 KBFeb 04 11:49
oiaohmReally the racketeering in the patent world need to be sorted out.Feb 04 11:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 thanks a lot. http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/04/flying-chairlet-to-furnaceboy/Feb 04 11:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Januarys Golden Flying Chairlet Award Goes to FurnaceBoy | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 75.23 KBFeb 04 11:54
oiaohmIts not just Microsoft using racketeering with patents.Feb 04 11:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cartoonists Invited - Adding more humour and visuals with the help or readers/contributors http://ur1.ca/lgf0Feb 04 12:04
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oiaohmhttp://michalm.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/k3b-goes-beta/  My favorate buring program is almost on QT4Feb 04 12:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: K3b goes beta! « Burning Questions .::. Size~: 27.4 KBFeb 04 12:04
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Surprised to see an empty bus in peak hour :-D t51Feb 04 13:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] the EPO case law is so full of contradictions that it cannot be followed in any meaningful way: http://i5.be/aq1Feb 04 13:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The IPKat - happy to serve the IP communities: Patentable subject matter - Where are we now? .::. Size~: 185.13 KBFeb 04 13:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA will go trough the European Parliament, says MEP Martin Koehler: "It is crystal clear that ACTA will go through" http://i5.be/aq4Feb 04 13:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Martin Koehler is not an MEP, but an advisor on International Trade for the Greens: http://i5.be/aq7Feb 04 13:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Symbian phone operating system goes open source http://tinyurl.com/y9ff3s2Feb 04 13:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Conference on "Towards a European Patent Court" (Strasbourg, 16&17 April 2010) or how to validate software patents EU-wide: http://i5.be/aq8Feb 04 13:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] ISP wins landmark case against Hollywood - Channel 4 News #outlawstory http://tinyurl.com/yknvl8yFeb 04 13:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Anger as Cherie Blair spares devout man from jail - Times Online http://tinyurl.com/yhgu8ghFeb 04 13:37
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amarsh04there was a copyright case decided in .au that means that the writers of "Land Downunder" owe the rights-holders of "Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree"Feb 04 13:38
oiaohmBig thing with the australian case is iinet has never failed to respond to a legal request for information.Feb 04 13:38
oiaohmNow if you want to police copyright outside the law iinet does not have to help.Feb 04 13:39
amarsh04why should an isp respond to thuggery anyway?Feb 04 13:39
oiaohmIts not exactly thuggery if it done the legal way.Feb 04 13:39
amarsh04exactlyFeb 04 13:40
oiaohmThe idea that you ident is 100 percent secret to do illegal things is wrong.Feb 04 13:40
amarsh04but if the isp is asked for information that it is not legally required to provide, why should the isp roll over?Feb 04 13:41
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oiaohmLike if they have enough information to prove infrignenment is coming from a ISP they would have the right to ask iinet legally(ie search warrent) to id the possiable people who could have been downloading.Feb 04 13:42
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Nice read on S/w patents #opensim (via @zoobab)Feb 04 13:42
oiaohmNow if iinet refused to respond to that they would be screwed.Feb 04 13:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Computer History Development Timeline: #Microsoft Perspective http://boycottnovell.com/?storiesFeb 04 13:42
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amarsh04no shortage of links at www.whirlpool.net.auFeb 04 13:42
oiaohmIe no longer protected by rules of safe harbour.Feb 04 13:42
oiaohmTo be correct if ISP rolls over the can be in breach of the Australian privacy act.Feb 04 13:43
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oiaohmIe rolls over without a search warrent.Feb 04 13:43
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oiaohmBasically IInet was nicely between a rock and a hard place due to the stupid media companies.Feb 04 13:44
amarsh04the .au privacy act isn't worth the paper it is written onFeb 04 13:44
amarsh04telstra is not bound by itFeb 04 13:44
amarsh04or more specifically the IPND isn't covered by itFeb 04 13:45
oiaohmReally there is a problem.  Its not specifically covered.Feb 04 13:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oops. Last URL ought to have been http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/04/microsoft-perspective/Feb 04 13:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Computer History Development Timeline: Microsoft Perspective | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 169.85 KBFeb 04 13:45
oiaohmIf it goes before a court of law a judge is free to rule either way.  amarsh04Feb 04 13:45
oiaohmIe somethings in the australian privacy act still needs test cases to tell you want is legal and what is not.  amarsh04Feb 04 13:46
amarsh04I've asked http://www.accan.org.au to look at itFeb 04 13:46
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amarsh04individuals can't find out what data of theirs goes to which recipients of IPND data, no what rights they have to withhold or falsify information, and Telstra happily lists businesses being in different suburbs (even if correct street address) to what they are actually located inFeb 04 13:48
amarsh04which helps confuse people in an emergency situationFeb 04 13:49
amarsh04meaning "nor what rights..."Feb 04 13:49
oiaohmIPND is some of the worse data out there.Feb 04 13:51
oiaohmIt kills just as many people as it saves.Feb 04 13:51
oiaohmBiggest trap with IPND is if have a number then make it silent there is nothing that says your number ever has to be removed from the IPNDFeb 04 13:56
amarsh04yes, ACMA weren't very helpful to me about the IPNDFeb 04 13:59
oiaohmI have many unlisted numbersFeb 04 14:00
oiaohmAll have been created as unlisted.Feb 04 14:00
oiaohmDoes cause delays for emergency calls.Feb 04 14:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I missed the link #swpat http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/2010/02/opensim-developers-warn-against-patents/Feb 04 14:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: OpenSim developers warn against patents - Hypergrid Business .::. Size~: 52.72 KBFeb 04 14:02
oiaohmEven so some of them still have got telemarketer calls.  That get really upset when you just ask them how they got the number.  The start spin and you say straight away back sorry until you can answer the how you got the number there is no way to be put threw higher up.Feb 04 14:03
amarsh04I have had some telemarketers say that they take a range of numbers and just remove the entries that are in the "Do not call" registerFeb 04 14:12
amarsh04I've had a few wrong numbers to my Internode IP phone service alsoFeb 04 14:12
amarsh04they should have a "sparse allocation range" where all valid numbers have at least 2 digits different from any other valid numberFeb 04 14:13
amarsh04donotcall.gov.au claims that I have 8 numbers registered against my email addressFeb 04 14:23
oiaohmTechically that does not work.Feb 04 14:24
Eruaran"Nutcase inventor Nikola Tesla" ?Feb 04 14:25
oiaohmIf that is what they are doing it techically war dialing that if you know the court case to quote is a convictable ofenceFeb 04 14:26
amarsh04I'm sure Tesla had many legitimate inventionsFeb 04 14:26
amarsh04who championed use of Alternating Current power for transmission?Feb 04 14:27
EruaranTesla was brilliantFeb 04 14:27
EruaranI'd hardly call him a nutcaseFeb 04 14:27
oiaohmNot all Tesla things were 100 percent sane.Feb 04 14:28
oiaohmHis old age kinda caught up with him.Feb 04 14:28
oiaohmNot everyone is 100 percent sane for there complete lifeFeb 04 14:28
EruaranIndeed... people get oldFeb 04 14:29
oiaohmThe critical part is what section of Tesla history are they talking aboutFeb 04 14:29
EruaranBut Tesla still did some pretty brilliant stuff late in life as wellFeb 04 14:29
oiaohmHe also did some pritty bonkers stuff then as well.Feb 04 14:30
EruaranMost people are not even aware since he's usually not creditedFeb 04 14:30
oiaohmSome times it takes insanity to find the right solution.Feb 04 14:30
EruaranThere were things Tesla said in his life that people considered insane at that time... he was vindicated later thoughFeb 04 14:31
EruaranPeople thought Beethoven was insane late in life as well... They didn't like the music he was creating after he had gone totally deafFeb 04 14:31
EruaranBut this material is some of Beethovens most brilliant workFeb 04 14:32
EruaranEven today you don't hear his late material played much since it wasn't for large orchestrasFeb 04 14:32
oiaohmNot all of it.  EruaranFeb 04 14:32
oiaohmHis earth quake generator got disproven over time.Feb 04 14:33
oiaohmIe Feb 04 14:33
oiaohmTesla earth quake generatorFeb 04 14:33
oiaohmBasically failed basic rules unless it repeatable don't presume what you saw is true.Feb 04 14:34
Eruaransaw?Feb 04 14:34
oiaohmIt was tesla mistake with the earth quake generator.   Thought he had done it.Feb 04 14:34
EruaranNevertheless, does getting something wrong or following a wonky idea that goes nowhere mean you deserve to be called a nutcase?Feb 04 14:35
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EruaranWhat about Einstein later in lifeFeb 04 14:35
Omar87Hi guys.Feb 04 14:35
oiaohmTesla has about 80 percent correct and about 20 percent incorrect.  EruaranFeb 04 14:35
oiaohmThat he refused to admit to EruaranFeb 04 14:35
Eruaranoiaohm: and he achieved so much he is often called the guy who "invented the 20th century"Feb 04 14:36
Omar87schestowitz: pingFeb 04 14:36
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oiaohmKinda a little bit of a nut case.  But hey if it was not some of the experments he did would not been done by anyone 100 percent sane. EruaranFeb 04 14:36
oiaohmBasically we need the nut cases from time to time.Feb 04 14:37
Eruaraninsane or gutsy?Feb 04 14:37
oiaohmThink RMS and the opensource world these days EruaranFeb 04 14:37
EruaranmehFeb 04 14:37
oiaohmIts all point of view if someone is insane or gutsyFeb 04 14:37
EruaranI prefer eccentricFeb 04 14:38
oiaohmTelsa almost killed him self many times as well.  EruaranFeb 04 14:39
oiaohmLittle bit past eccentricFeb 04 14:39
Eruaraneccentric = interesting, creative spark, padded cell wont be necessaryFeb 04 14:39
Eruaranhi Omar87Feb 04 14:39
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EruaranInternode Monthly Usage Meter works flawlessly on WineFeb 04 14:44
oiaohmNot supprising really.Feb 04 14:49
oiaohmWhat platform do you think internode coders work on.Feb 04 14:49
oiaohmWindows is only used in final testing.  EruaranFeb 04 14:49
EruaranIt wasn't a complaint...Feb 04 14:50
oiaohmIe it also explains why there is some much Linux BSD .... in there filemirror.Feb 04 14:52
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Quo-fanhmmmFeb 04 15:04
FurnaceBoyQuo-fan: ihFeb 04 15:05
Quo-fandangerous channelFeb 04 15:05
FurnaceBoyhi*Feb 04 15:05
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oiaohmOk how are we a dangerous channel.Feb 04 15:07
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trmancohey guysFeb 04 15:21
MinceRhayFeb 04 15:22
MarcusKozehayFeb 04 15:22
trmanco:DFeb 04 15:24
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EruaranohhaiFeb 04 15:31
Eruaranlol dangerous channelFeb 04 15:32
MinceRi wonder what did he see here that let him determine that in 32 secondsFeb 04 15:33
EruaranI'm still getting used to having unmetered downloads from InternodeFeb 04 15:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Vrooom, vroom, vroom. Chainsawing down the list of people you are following is SOOOO much fun.Feb 04 15:34
amarsh04what plan, Eruaran?Feb 04 15:36
EruaranJust a 20Gb home planFeb 04 15:36
EruaranBut now I can point apt to Internode servers and update to KDE SC 4.4 unmetered :DFeb 04 15:37
EruaranI wasn't going to just now cause I thought I'm already downloading too much but then I was like, "wait a minute... oh duh"Feb 04 15:38
amarsh04I've almost used up 20GB (B = byte, b = bit) after legally downloading from http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/Feb 04 15:38
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amarsh04Debian mirrors on Internode are most helpfulFeb 04 15:39
*Eruaran makes mental note to remember that B = byteFeb 04 15:40
amarsh04also see: http://www.iec.ch/online_news/etech/arch_2003/etech_0503/focus.htmFeb 04 15:42
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FurnaceBoyoiaohm: no idea. feelin dangerous?Feb 04 15:56
Omar87Eruaran: HiFeb 04 15:58
Omar87schestowitz: pingFeb 04 15:58
Eruaranhi Omar87Feb 04 15:58
Omar87Eruaran: hey :)Feb 04 15:58
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Omar87_schestowitz: pingFeb 04 16:21
FurnaceBoyMinceR: i guess it was the topic. he's a regular in a channel i'm in.Feb 04 16:26
MinceRicFeb 04 16:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New heights for #Microsoft ’s spin and lies; the latest wave of #GPL smears arrives from friends of Microsoft http://ur1.ca/lgveFeb 04 16:27
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Omar87_schestowitz: r u there?Feb 04 16:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sleeping with #Mono - Assorted items about Mono and Moonlight http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/04/promoting-mono-and-microsoft/Feb 04 16:43
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EruaranWhat is Icaza's thing with monkeys ?Feb 04 16:48
EruaranFrom Ximian to Moonlight... always an ape/monkey thingFeb 04 16:48
sebsebsebSeems to be about the school I read about before, anyway nice one New Zeland and great article http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10623790Feb 04 16:49
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Ender2070[10:03] <oiaohm> Ok how are we a dangerous channel.Feb 04 16:59
Ender2070??Feb 04 16:59
Ender2070dangerious because we think?Feb 04 17:04
Ender2070dangerous*Feb 04 17:04
Ender2070lol ironyFeb 04 17:04
MinceRyes, thinking is dangerousFeb 04 17:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Kappos supporting swpats: "[Non-patent literature] is important in software, where so often it's not patented prior art." http://i5.be/araFeb 04 17:12
MinceR"Thought begets Heresy; Heresy begets Retribution"Feb 04 17:12
MinceRhttp://qdb.us/301509Feb 04 17:13
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FurnaceBoyhm "Mono means monkey in Spanish"Feb 04 17:19
*FurnaceBoy didn't know thatFeb 04 17:20
FurnaceBoygawd that logo is horribleFeb 04 17:20
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.h-online.com/open/features/Health-Check-Mono-746613.html schestowitzFeb 04 17:21
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amarsh04just posted to linuxtoday.com: http://industry.bnet.com/technology/10005104/uspto-wont-accept-upside-down-faxes-demands-resends/Feb 04 17:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Judge Uwe Scharen is Validating #SoftwarePatents in #Germany http://bit.ly/9DmDXD #swpatFeb 04 17:40
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schestowitz> in the past it was trolls, now you are up against paid experts in marketing Feb 04 17:42
schestowitz> and politics.  and they have bought themselves into powerful positions in Feb 04 17:42
schestowitz> places like the gnome foundation, where ten years ago they would have been Feb 04 17:42
schestowitz> laughably unwelcome.  notice the fud has gone from anti gpl 3.0 to anti gpl at Feb 04 17:42
schestowitz> all.. this is intentional, someone probably at MS designed this marketing Feb 04 17:42
schestowitz> campaign - and it is totally efficient and up to date in heavy and skillful use Feb 04 17:42
schestowitz> of social media, twitter, etc.Feb 04 17:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab it does not mention #swpatFeb 04 17:43
*FurnaceBoy starts to feel nauseousFeb 04 17:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: look at top story on Slashdot right nowFeb 04 17:43
Ender2070http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/04/1442214/Bill-Gates-Knows-What-You-Did-Last-Summer ?Feb 04 17:46
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FurnaceBoyyrsFeb 04 17:46
schestowitzOmar87_: PONG/Feb 04 17:49
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I wrote about it earlierFeb 04 17:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] China pushing for Royalty-Free Standards, it makes the patent guys angry: http://i5.be/arbFeb 04 17:55
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ahFeb 04 17:57
FurnaceBoytoday's Microsoft apologist argument: "But all big companies do these things."Feb 04 17:57
FurnaceBoytoday's Microsoft apologist argument: "I only see a company trying to protect its profits."Feb 04 17:58
FurnaceBoyyadda yadda yaddaFeb 04 17:58
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FurnaceBoytoday's Microsoft apologist argument: "Nobody goes after Intel for the same things." (they don't?)Feb 04 17:58
FurnaceBoytoday's Microsoft apologist argument: "Nobody goes after Apple for WORSE CRIMES." (hmm)Feb 04 17:58
FurnaceBoytherefore, Microsoft should get a free pass ! Feb 04 17:59
FurnaceBoyhooo-rayFeb 04 17:59
FurnaceBoy(even if those assertions were true.)Feb 04 17:59
FurnaceBoyattacking the messenger's right to speak up is so common. apologists don't get that it's the *behaviour* people object to. Behaviour is fixed, complaint goes away.Feb 04 18:00
FurnaceBoythis isn't just isolated to criticism of Microsoft, either. hehe.Feb 04 18:00
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FurnaceBoy"You can't complain about Microsoft because < spurious rationalisation here>"Feb 04 18:02
FurnaceBoywhen MS cheques start bouncing, then we'll see some real change.Feb 04 18:03
schestowitzMicrosoft is unique in its crimesFeb 04 18:03
schestowitzIt contributes almost nothing to comutingFeb 04 18:04
schestowitzIt destroyed a lotFeb 04 18:04
FurnaceBoypretty much. they have made an end run around the legal system.Feb 04 18:04
schestowitzSee my long post from todayFeb 04 18:04
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/04/microsoft-perspective/Feb 04 18:04
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yes. it's impossible not to conclude this.Feb 04 18:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's put the industry back ~ 40 years.Feb 04 18:04
schestowitzIt's a dangerous cultFeb 04 18:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: try and add up the cost of that...Feb 04 18:04
FurnaceBoysome parallels between Microsoft and ScientologyFeb 04 18:06
FurnaceBoybut, essentially, Gates is the perfection of the criminal.Feb 04 18:06
FurnaceBoyone in a billion ... born into the right place at the right time.Feb 04 18:06
FurnaceBoywell, the experiment tells us some interesting things. Once you have a certain amount of money to play with, and you have constructed an empire in a certain way, you are above the law.Feb 04 18:07
FurnaceBoythat's probably what he set out to do.Feb 04 18:08
FurnaceBoysociopathic megalomaniaFeb 04 18:08
FurnaceBoythis isn't just conjecture, you can find it in his testimonyFeb 04 18:08
FurnaceBoycriminologist's wonderlandFeb 04 18:09
schestowitzHmmmm..Feb 04 18:16
schestowitzWe get some angry response to these postsFeb 04 18:16
schestowitzmaybe WaggEd :-)Feb 04 18:16
FurnaceBoyright.Feb 04 18:17
FurnaceBoyproves you're on the right track :DFeb 04 18:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Which is more dangerous, #Microsoft or #Scientology?Feb 04 18:19
schestowitz*LOL* http://www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/home/2010/02/nothing-to-hide-nothing-to-fear.htmlFeb 04 18:23
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FurnaceBoydid you read the paper exposing the fallacy of that principle?Feb 04 18:30
FurnaceBoyhttp://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/10/2054219Feb 04 18:31
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schestowitzhttp://paidcontent.org/article/419-yahoo-sells-hotjobs-to-monster-for-225-million/Feb 04 18:42
amarsh04schestowitz: http://www.privacy.org.au/Campaigns/ID_cards/HSAC-FAQ10.htmlFeb 04 18:42
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schestowitzTHey die from a case of Microsoft and lack of talentFeb 04 18:42
amarsh04"If I’ve got nothing to hide, why should I be afraid of a National Identification Scheme?"Feb 04 18:42
FurnaceBoysee Solove's essay :)Feb 04 18:43
schestowitzzoobab: fixedFeb 04 18:43
amarsh04linked from the URL I posted, FurnaceBoy (-:Feb 04 18:44
schestowitzbblFeb 04 18:45
FurnaceBoyok :)Feb 04 18:49
cubezzzForuntately Orwell was wrongFeb 04 19:06
cubezzz1984 didn't happenFeb 04 19:06
cubezzzand Microsoft isn't big brother :)Feb 04 19:07
cubezzzthey tried to take over all the computers and the internet and did not succeedFeb 04 19:08
Ender2070Orwell was wrong but Huxley was rightFeb 04 19:08
cubezzzanyone who wants freedom can grab itFeb 04 19:08
cubezzznot sure which Huxley you are referring toFeb 04 19:10
Ender2070Brave New WorldFeb 04 19:10
Ender2070Aldous HuxleyFeb 04 19:10
cubezzzah rightFeb 04 19:11
cubezzz"What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one."Feb 04 19:12
FurnaceBoy...Feb 04 19:12
FurnaceBoycubezzz: Orwell wasn't "wrong."Feb 04 19:12
FurnaceBoycubezzz: and the fight is ongoing, that's the point.Feb 04 19:13
FurnaceBoycubezzz: 1984 applies to all historyFeb 04 19:13
FurnaceBoypast, present and futureFeb 04 19:13
FurnaceBoycubezzz: a familiarity with 20th C fascism helps hereFeb 04 19:13
Ender2070i have brave new worldFeb 04 19:15
Ender2070got it from the libraryFeb 04 19:15
Ender2070also got "A modern utopia" HG WellsFeb 04 19:15
cubezzzyeah I must admit I've never read "Brave New World"Feb 04 19:15
cubezzzdo they study 1984 in school?Feb 04 19:16
cubezzzIt seems like a book that could be banned or shuffled into the backgroundFeb 04 19:17
cubezzzMicrosoft is too inept to "take over" I'd sayFeb 04 19:18
cubezzzalthough I must admit they have brain washed a lot of peopleFeb 04 19:19
cubezzzone of my oldest friends can't stop yapping about Windows 7Feb 04 19:19
FurnaceBoycubezzz: it's not really about "take over".Feb 04 19:20
FurnaceBoycubezzz: it's more about the clear and current damage... and the risk of them being allowed to continue to damage, steal, lie, cheat, and compromise the industry and the majority of computer users.Feb 04 19:21
FurnaceBoycreeping restrictions, lock-in, etcFeb 04 19:21
FurnaceBoyit is already a staggering problemFeb 04 19:21
FurnaceBoyand we have to guard that it doesn't get worse, while we look to weaken and eventually eliminate the monopolyFeb 04 19:21
FurnaceBoythere is no other course.Feb 04 19:22
FurnaceBoyRoy does a great job of highlighting the very real ongoing damagesFeb 04 19:22
cubezzzsurely Microsoft is in decline alreadyFeb 04 19:22
FurnaceBoyyes, but mainly due to very hard work by people building and strengthening the alternativesFeb 04 19:23
FurnaceBoyand fighting their FUD every minuteFeb 04 19:23
FurnaceBoyrefusing to be bought offFeb 04 19:23
FurnaceBoyrefusing to copy liesFeb 04 19:23
FurnaceBoydoign independent researchFeb 04 19:23
FurnaceBoylook at PJ@groklaw, what she has had to deal with in terms of obstruction, attacks, threatsFeb 04 19:23
FurnaceBoyMS will inevitably die, but the longer it takes, the more it costs humanityFeb 04 19:24
cubezzzI knew about some of that stuff 20 years ago, but it's more in the open nowFeb 04 19:24
FurnaceBoyhope soFeb 04 19:24
cubezzzdid you know Microsoft didn't even start off with their own compiler? :)Feb 04 19:25
cubezzzthey used Lattice C and rebrandedFeb 04 19:25
FurnaceBoythat's what they usually do.Feb 04 19:25
FurnaceBoythen they start to break themFeb 04 19:25
FurnaceBoySybase -> SQL Server, etc.Feb 04 19:25
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cubezzzthis cheers me up:Feb 04 19:26
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cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_devicesFeb 04 19:26
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cubezzzmy main consider now is that schools become Microsoft onlyFeb 04 19:27
cubezzzconcern :)Feb 04 19:27
FurnaceBoythat is a major issue.Feb 04 19:27
FurnaceBoyhorrifying, really.Feb 04 19:27
FurnaceBoyAs Roy puts it -- Gates is the Education Minister no-one elected and no-one can remove.Feb 04 19:27
cubezzzbecause I noticed that people 1 generation after me are Microsoft-conditionedFeb 04 19:27
FurnaceBoyyes.Feb 04 19:28
FurnaceBoyit's astonishing how ignorant people areFeb 04 19:28
FurnaceBoythere's a kind of geek who thinks they can avoid politicsFeb 04 19:28
FurnaceBoyand make purely pragmatic choicesFeb 04 19:28
FurnaceBoythis... 20 years after GPL v2...Feb 04 19:28
cubezzzbut if one is an independent thinker, geting their info from a large variety of sources, you will start thinking about alternativesFeb 04 19:28
FurnaceBoyyou'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind to think that technology is divorced from politics and law.Feb 04 19:29
FurnaceBoycubezzz: yesFeb 04 19:29
FurnaceBoycubezzz: unfortunately, that describes a minority of people.Feb 04 19:29
FurnaceBoycubezzz: because it's HARD and involves challenging orthodox ideas.Feb 04 19:29
cubezzzand people from generations previous to my generation seem to think of computers as an applianceFeb 04 19:29
cubezzzFurnaceBoy, I see Linux magazines in stores, at least in ChaptersFeb 04 19:30
cubezzzand our location TV channel CityTV talks about Linux at 5am in the morning :)Feb 04 19:30
cubezzzyeah I was teaching a guy Gnucash yesterdayFeb 04 19:31
cubezzzdefinitely there is a learning curveFeb 04 19:31
Ender2070cubezzz - chapters +1Feb 04 19:44
cubezzzthey use windows server 2003 though :)Feb 04 19:47
cubezzzbut as I said, Linux devices are flourishingFeb 04 19:48
cubezzzit only makes sense, Linux can save businesses moneyFeb 04 19:49
cubezzzso it will be driven by efficiency, not philosophyFeb 04 19:49
cubezzzor to put it another way: 99% will save money and 1% will philosophize :)Feb 04 19:50
cubezzzit definitely feels good not having to pay the Microsoft TaxFeb 04 19:52
cubezzzeven though it can be inconvenientFeb 04 19:52
Ender2070yes for sureFeb 04 20:12
Omar87_schestowitz: pingFeb 04 20:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] completely and utterly shagged out. installed Sun T5120 Niagara beast machine today. a locked room mystery just to *boot* it. gah.Feb 04 20:35
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Ender2070http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxNeoXkL0mMFeb 04 20:53
FurnaceBoycubezzz: :)Feb 04 20:56
FurnaceBoycubezzz: I find Linux extremely productive as a workstationFeb 04 20:56
Omar87_Okay guys, this sucks.Feb 04 20:56
FurnaceBoyOmar87_: hi!Feb 04 20:56
Omar87_FurnaceBoy: heyFeb 04 20:56
Omar87_I talked to my friend (founder of the Jordanian Open Source Association), and then he told me the most disgusting news of the day (if not the week). Feb 04 20:58
Omar87_He said that Microsoft had contacted him. :)Feb 04 21:00
Omar87_They want to swallow any sense of "resistance" in the country.Feb 04 21:01
Omar87_And he seems relaxed about it.Feb 04 21:01
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FurnaceBoyughFeb 04 21:11
Omar87_FurnaceBoy: what do you think?Feb 04 21:16
Omar87_Personally, if this thing goes through (which is most likely), then I'm out of the Association.Feb 04 21:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @undispatch The World's 25 Dirtiest Cities - Forbes.com http://bit.ly/bHJMYH <-- Doesn't mention any cities in #China, oddly. #pollutionFeb 04 21:18
FurnaceBoyOmar87_: What did they say in detail? maybe this is worth a story on BN.Feb 04 21:19
Omar87_FurnaceBoy: I really don't know, all I know is that they contacted him.Feb 04 21:19
FurnaceBoyit's hard to have an opinion without knowing what they are trying to make himdoFeb 04 21:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Microsoft Press (IDC/IDG - Webwereld) klaagt over Google in bed met NSA. Oh the irony: http://tinyurl.com/ycxjp97Feb 04 21:20
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Omar87_I think I'm gonna ask my friend about that, and I'll let you know.Feb 04 21:20
FurnaceBoysounds like some exposure of their tactics would be goodFeb 04 21:20
FurnaceBoybut they are careful to cover their tracksFeb 04 21:20
FurnaceBoye.g. nothing in writing, just "phone calls". all the usual gangster tactics.Feb 04 21:21
Omar87_Oh, yeah, I remembered something now.Feb 04 21:21
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Omar87_My fried told me that we'll be cooperating with the "DotNET clubs in country". (Which in turn, are controlled by MS, that's for sure)Feb 04 21:22
FurnaceBoywow.Feb 04 21:22
Omar87_Ya know, want to slowly blend us inside the hurds of their pawns.Feb 04 21:23
FurnaceBoyyeah, why didn't he put any resistance up to this absurd idea?Feb 04 21:23
FurnaceBoyof course.Feb 04 21:23
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Omar87_or, to make sound a little more disgusting, the "sworms" of their ignorant pawns.Feb 04 21:23
Omar87_FurnaceBoy: Because he says: "Microsoft isn't too bad. It has open source projects"..Feb 04 21:24
FurnaceBoysighFeb 04 21:24
FurnaceBoypoint him to some of the documentation on BN, Groklaw...Feb 04 21:24
Omar87_Exactly, he made very disgusted. Basically, he ruined my day. :)Feb 04 21:24
Omar87_FurnaceBoy:  I know, he knows about BN, but yet he doesn't seem to care much.Feb 04 21:25
Omar87_FurnaceBoy: I told him a couple stuff though.Feb 04 21:26
FurnaceBoythere 's a great quote on BNFeb 04 21:26
FurnaceBoyi saw todayFeb 04 21:26
Omar87_Anyways, the decision hasn't been taken, I demanded a meeting to discuss this. I'll do what I can to try to convince them against it, but I screw up, then I'm out of this stupid charade.Feb 04 21:27
Omar87_hasn't been taken *yet*Feb 04 21:27
FurnaceBoy"Shouldn't we leave the [Microsoft] elephant alone and stop poking it with sticks? Well, the problem is they aren't going to leave us alone."Feb 04 21:29
FurnaceBoy-Jeremy AllisonFeb 04 21:29
FurnaceBoythey can't + won't "compete".Feb 04 21:29
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Omar87_FurnaceBoy: True. :)Feb 04 21:29
FurnaceBoythey have no business model based on competition. only monoculture and lock-inFeb 04 21:29
FurnaceBoythat's why we see increasing desperationFeb 04 21:30
FurnaceBoythey don't even have the *means* to competeFeb 04 21:30
FurnaceBoyso it's going to get uglier as they slowly go downFeb 04 21:30
Omar87_FurnaceBoy: exactly.Feb 04 21:31
FurnaceBoytheir last hope is to try and get stuff written up in law, policies, mandates.. they'll focus on government mandates excluding open sourceFeb 04 21:31
Omar87_Ya know what I hate much? Those people who think that their "Microsoft certifications" make them special.Feb 04 21:32
FurnaceBoythey'll try and make open source impossible for govt/corp procurement. all to prop up a failed model.Feb 04 21:32
FurnaceBoythe FUD is going to keep going up until it becomes strident. they'll put more money into advertising and buying mediaFeb 04 21:32
Omar87_FurnaceBoy: agreed.Feb 04 21:32
FurnaceBoythey'll continue to personally attack and undermine open source proponentsFeb 04 21:32
Omar87_FurnaceBoy: I wish I could just take over the leadership of the association for one day, just to show these MS bastards how disguting they are.Feb 04 21:33
FurnaceBoy:)Feb 04 21:33
FurnaceBoywell, clearly this "influence" needs to be countered...Feb 04 21:34
FurnaceBoyBN is a great resource...Feb 04 21:34
FurnaceBoyideally you will be able to expose what's going on , with evidenceFeb 04 21:35
FurnaceBoymaybe you can write to somebody at the competitorsFeb 04 21:38
Omar87_I'll see what I can do, And I'm gonna tell Roy about it too, just to see what he has to say about it.Feb 04 21:41
schestowitzhttp://www.twit.tv/floss106 Hmmmmm... just a 'duet' with Randal SchwartzFeb 04 21:43
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schestowitzhttp://foomandoonian.posterous.com/virtual-revolution-the-bbcs-pro-microsoft-revFeb 04 21:43
schestowitzHey, Omar87_Feb 04 21:43
schestowitzI've just gotten backFeb 04 21:43
schestowitzI missed you here earlierFeb 04 21:43
schestowitzI was not in IRCFeb 04 21:44
Omar87_schestowitz: hey. :)Feb 04 21:44
schestowitzWhat's up?Feb 04 21:44
Omar87_schestowitz: welcome back.Feb 04 21:44
schestowitzI wasn't ignoring you, just to clarifyFeb 04 21:44
Omar87_schestowitz: My friend got contacted by the coordinator of the .NET clubs in Jordan.Feb 04 21:44
Omar87_schestowitz: apparently, MS is trying to blend us into the swarms of their ignorant pawns.Feb 04 21:45
Omar87_schestowitz: ya know, apparently what we've been doing disturb them, so the best way to extinguish us is to basically.. swallow us. :)Feb 04 21:47
FurnaceBoyonly if somebody grants them that power.Feb 04 21:48
FurnaceBoyif that organization is 'assimilated', another must be started.Feb 04 21:48
FurnaceBoyperhaps with a less...compromising agenda.Feb 04 21:48
FurnaceBoythis kind of tactic will only work on weak individuals, like de IcazaFeb 04 21:49
FurnaceBoyand those who are ignorant of factsFeb 04 21:49
FurnaceBoythe next organization must be spiky enough so that they yell OW when they try to sit on it.Feb 04 21:49
FurnaceBoy...and hopefully contract tetanus from trying it.Feb 04 21:49
Omar87_schestowitz: so what do you think?Feb 04 21:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Pointless tasks: bumming your laptop power with powertop while running 3 compilations, 2 in VMsFeb 04 21:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] "Idiots can be defeated but they just never admit it." ~ Richard Stallman.Feb 04 21:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Every $ spent on weapons is 1 less spent on schools, .. medicine, or research into life-affirming technologies," #UN http://bit.ly/bWIdgSFeb 04 22:02
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schestowitzSorry, got distracted. Feb 04 22:04
schestowitz/boycottnovell.com/wiki/images/8/83/Feb 04 22:04
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/GermanFeb 04 22:04
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schestowitzOmar87_: yes, sounds typicalFeb 04 22:05
schestowitzEmbrace, extend...Feb 04 22:05
schestowitzThey are weasely, aren't theyFeb 04 22:06
schestowitzOmar87_: good quote from RMS. I like that one.Feb 04 22:06
schestowitzPreservation pays offFeb 04 22:06
schestowitzStriking the balance between pressure and ambition is also hardFeb 04 22:07
schestowitzIt seems like Bill's crusade to make poppa crows never ends.Feb 04 22:07
schestowitzBill Senior also uses the Gates Foundry as his own petFeb 04 22:07
schestowitzhe has like 50 legal offices across the US corrupting the systemFeb 04 22:07
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/19/gates-senior-scandal/Feb 04 22:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Boycott Novell is now available in German. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/GermanFeb 04 22:10
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Omar87_schestowitz: yeah, he really wasted my day when he told me about it.Feb 04 22:10
schestowitzDon't worry about itFeb 04 22:11
schestowitzWe are winningFeb 04 22:11
schestowitzNow I shall go to the news to find latest victoriesFeb 04 22:11
Omar87_schestowitz: I demanded a meeting in which we will all discuss this. And if I fail to convince them against it, I'm out of this charade.Feb 04 22:11
Omar87_Can you hand me some links, please?Feb 04 22:11
schestowitzOmar87_: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/ArabicFeb 04 22:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Arabic - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 11.57 KBFeb 04 22:11
schestowitzThis got 128 views in 2 daysFeb 04 22:11
schestowitzIt's good because it raises awareness among Arabs tooFeb 04 22:12
schestowitzOmar87_: waitFeb 04 22:12
schestowitzYou mean Microsoft wants to infiltrate JUST????/Feb 04 22:12
schestowitzLike they try to invade LUGs?Feb 04 22:12
schestowitzTell him to sack itFeb 04 22:12
Omar87_schestowitz: NoFeb 04 22:12
schestowitzOhFeb 04 22:12
schestowitzhttp://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/02/wrt-fosdem-beer-event/Feb 04 22:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Jan Wildeboer · WRT FOSDEM Beer Event .::. Size~: 23.79 KBFeb 04 22:13
Omar87_schestowitz: Microsoft of already has JUST in the depths of its armpits. That's nothing new.Feb 04 22:13
Omar87_schestowitz: Microsoft wants to infiltrate us, the Jordanian Open Source Association.Feb 04 22:14
schestowitzSa.Feb 04 22:20
schestowitzSad.Feb 04 22:20
Omar87_I know. :)Feb 04 22:20
schestowitzhttp://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/02/copyright-and-incentives.html#moreFeb 04 22:20
schestowitzWhat  a silly graphFeb 04 22:20
schestowitzBad vertical scaleFeb 04 22:20
schestowitzwhat do you make of Symbian and EPL?Feb 04 22:29
schestowitzhttp://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/04/131224/Google-and-NSA-Teaming-UpFeb 04 22:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot News Story | Google and NSA Teaming Up .::. Size~: 151.7 KBFeb 04 22:30
schestowitzThey forgot about MS and the NSAFeb 04 22:30
schestowitzAlso buddies for AGESFeb 04 22:30
schestowitzAnd Matt Cutts from Google is a former SpookFeb 04 22:30
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/01/20/will-google-still-operate-in-china-without-searchFeb 04 22:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google Partners with NSA on Cyber Attack Analysis | WebProNews .::. Size~: 36.78 KBFeb 04 22:33
schestowitzThey share dataFeb 04 22:33
schestowitzAustralian 'nude photos' banker gains web support http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8498564.stmFeb 04 22:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 94.35 KBFeb 04 22:36
cubezzzbah Microsoft will never infitrate me :)Feb 04 22:38
cubezzzit wasn't to long ago (ok, it was a long time) that I was wondering about this microsoft chip in my PCFeb 04 22:39
cubezzzit was the keyboard biosFeb 04 22:39
cubezzzand in early IBM PCs it was the basic romFeb 04 22:39
cubezzzso we have had the Microsoft since the very beginning of PCsFeb 04 22:40
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schestowitzOmar87_: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/355246/arm-our-netbooks-will-fly-with-or-without-windowsFeb 04 22:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ARM: our netbooks will fly with or without Windows | News | PC Pro .::. Size~: 57.5 KBFeb 04 22:42
schestowitzWe're winning, be happyFeb 04 22:42
Omar87_schestowitz: Cool! :Feb 04 22:42
Omar87_:)Feb 04 22:42
schestowitzcubezzz: Microsoft is well past its pinnacleFeb 04 22:42
schestowitzLate 90sFeb 04 22:42
schestowitzIt's more than just s/wFeb 04 22:43
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/UK-museums-open-up-to-Wikimedia-920612.htmlFeb 04 22:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: UK museums open up to Wikimedia - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.2 KBFeb 04 22:43
schestowitzInformation revolutionFeb 04 22:43
Omar87_schestowitz: I am happy. Actually, when Microsoft tried to silence us, it only means that we're actually making a difference. :DFeb 04 22:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz right. stock has flatlined for years despite all the financial trickeryFeb 04 22:44
schestowitzhttp://techdrivein.blogspot.com/2010/02/google-chrome-os-tablet-demo-video-like.htmlFeb 04 22:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google Chrome OS Tablet Demo Video Like a Bolt From The Blue | Tech Drive .::. Size~: 70.88 KBFeb 04 22:44
schestowitzIt's either this or a ZUNE!! *LOL*Feb 04 22:44
FurnaceBoyOmar87_: you bet open source is making a difference.Feb 04 22:44
FurnaceBoyOmar87_: Linux single handedly fought them out of the server room.Feb 04 22:44
schestowitzOmar87_: it would distract you if you get upsetFeb 04 22:44
FurnaceBoyimagine what a mess we'd be in now, with MS on 97% of servers...Feb 04 22:44
schestowitzit's a known technique to themFeb 04 22:45
Omar87_FurnaceBoy: I really hate name "open source", though. I prefer Free Software, by oh well.Feb 04 22:45
schestowitzThey try to provoke so they you respond less rationallyFeb 04 22:45
FurnaceBoyOmar87_: just sloppy terms on my part :)Feb 04 22:45
schestowitzAnd then use that outburst against youFeb 04 22:45
schestowitzThe Vole tried it against Jusdge JacksonFeb 04 22:45
schestowitzThe WinTroll use it against Groklaw, even me soemtimesFeb 04 22:45
schestowitz*WinTrollsFeb 04 22:45
FurnaceBoyhttp://techliberation.com/2007/05/13/microsofts-shell-game/Feb 04 22:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsofts Shell Game — Technology Liberation Front .::. Size~: 74.9 KBFeb 04 22:46
Omar87_schestowitz: I see. Feb 04 22:46
schestowitzIt's win-win to them when they infiltrateFeb 04 22:46
Omar87_<FurnaceBoy> Omar87_: Linux single handedly fought them out of the server room.Feb 04 22:46
schestowitzYou can remove them or their cronies clamlyFeb 04 22:46
Omar87_Nice one.Feb 04 22:46
schestowitzLike OSI didFeb 04 22:46
Omar87_:)Feb 04 22:46
schestowitzANd Mozilla tooFeb 04 22:46
schestowitzThey got rid of WIndow SynderFeb 04 22:46
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.htmlFeb 04 22:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Financial Fraud Update .::. Size~: 41.15 KBFeb 04 22:46
FurnaceBoyhttp://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2007/06/06/researcher-microsoft-is-the-key-architect-of-the-greatest-financial-pyramid-scheme-this-century/Feb 04 22:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Researcher: [Microsoft is] the key architect of the greatest financial pyramid scheme this century. «  VistaSucks.WordPress.Com .::. Size~: 27.11 KBFeb 04 22:47
FurnaceBoy"The first and most important tool Microsoft uses is the manipulation of earnings to ensure analysts' expectations are met. According to an ABC News 1/22/99 article by Michael Martinez, Microsoft's own internal auditor, a respected 30 year veteran and former partner of Deloitte and Touche, was fired in 1996 after informing management that their earnings manipulations were illegal and violationsFeb 04 22:48
FurnaceBoy of the SEC and FASB laws. "Feb 04 22:48
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: when I think of Microsoft's attempt to whitewash I think of this:Feb 04 22:48
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY2Z27Y-HJEFeb 04 22:49
schestowitz"it didn't happy. It doesn't matter. It's old news... etc."Feb 04 22:49
schestowitz*happy->happenFeb 04 22:49
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: 1999Feb 04 22:50
schestowitzCharles PFeb 04 22:50
schestowitzNot 1996Feb 04 22:50
schestowitzAFAIK, unless he spoke about something earlierFeb 04 22:50
schestowitzMicrosoft bribed him $4 million to shut upFeb 04 22:50
FurnaceBoyhttp://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/vietnamese-government-wont-be-using-windows-7/Feb 04 22:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Vietnamese Government wont be using Windows 7 «  VistaSucks.WordPress.Com .::. Size~: 30.13 KBFeb 04 22:52
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/HiVision-PWS700CA-plus-PWS700B-and-EB0600S/?kc=rssFeb 04 22:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Android netbook runs on new ARM9 CPU - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 64.93 KBFeb 04 22:52
schestowitzARM Attack!Feb 04 22:52
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: in Vietnam they can't buy MS for the govt anymoreFeb 04 22:52
schestowitzSomeone mailed me to say thisFeb 04 22:52
FurnaceBoyhttp://vistasucks.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/hey-dad...can-i-have-linux-back/Feb 04 22:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 04 22:53
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: coolFeb 04 22:53
schestowitzVietnam just need to train people for *NIXFeb 04 22:53
FurnaceBoy^^ bug in bot.Feb 04 22:53
schestowitzThe monopolist is buying out the system to make kids MicroturfersFeb 04 22:53
schestowitzAnd the ;'generous' Lord Gates does this... telling stories of vaccines and stuffFeb 04 22:54
schestowitzHe uses the hungry kids for political lobbying and sentimental blackmailFeb 04 22:54
schestowitzHe did this in Spain last year, for exampleFeb 04 22:54
schestowitzIt's strinkingly clear outside the "PR zone"Feb 04 22:55
schestowitzVista sucks blog uis deadsFeb 04 22:55
schestowitzI used to read what's posted thereFeb 04 22:55
schestowitzIt's some MacheadFeb 04 22:55
FurnaceBoynew post @ minimsft. http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2010/01/microsoft-fy10q2-results.htmlFeb 04 22:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Mini-Microsoft: Microsoft FY10Q2 Results .::. Size~: 215.14 KBFeb 04 22:56
schestowitzEurope, with the exception of the UK, does OK. http://www.osor.eu/news/two-thousand-open-source-applications-for-the-public-sectorFeb 04 22:56
FurnaceBoynew-ish *Feb 04 22:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Two thousand open source applications for the public sector &mdash;  .::. Size~: 33.78 KBFeb 04 22:56
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: not newFeb 04 22:56
schestowitzBeat me to itFeb 04 22:56
FurnaceBoynwe to me :)Feb 04 22:56
schestowitzI cited it beforeFeb 04 22:56
FurnaceBoyah.Feb 04 22:56
schestowitzSee the comment thereFeb 04 22:57
FurnaceBoyyou're FAST though.Feb 04 22:57
FurnaceBoy;-)Feb 04 22:57
schestowitzOnes about layoffsFeb 04 22:57
schestowitzMicrosoft is still a shrinking companyFeb 04 22:57
FurnaceBoyyesFeb 04 22:57
schestowitzShrinking profits despite shrinking ins atffFeb 04 22:57
schestowitz*StaffFeb 04 22:57
FurnaceBoyi've been studying minimsft posts and comments for some time. the conclusion is that they are a dead shell.Feb 04 22:57
FurnaceBoythey have no plan B... lock-in and FUD was it.Feb 04 22:57
schestowitzNot BIll and SteveFeb 04 22:57
schestowitzANd many other execsFeb 04 22:57
schestowitzSame in NovellFeb 04 22:58
schestowitzHovsepian bonus for 2008 was $6 millionFeb 04 22:58
schestowitzThey fired like 60 SUSE devsFeb 04 22:58
schestowitzHe stole their wagFeb 04 22:58
schestowitzRewarding himself for crawling to bed with SteveFeb 04 22:58
schestowitzJaffe is leavingFeb 04 22:58
schestowitzPoor thing...Feb 04 22:58
schestowitzI don't think he's a bad guyFeb 04 22:58
schestowitzJust dumb... fell fort he VoleFeb 04 22:58
FurnaceBoyit's all abuot how much cash you can carry out. Gates, SCO, ...Feb 04 22:58
schestowitzMcBrideFeb 04 22:59
schestowitzMcBribeFeb 04 22:59
FurnaceBoythat's business these days. "How much cash can you steal from customers, then take out of the company?"Feb 04 22:59
schestowitz[Gates']BribeFeb 04 22:59
schestowitz[Gates']BrideFeb 04 22:59
FurnaceBoy"Tactics don't matter. Just get as much as you can, and get out."Feb 04 22:59
schestowitzYEsFeb 04 22:59
FurnaceBoythat's good ole American innovation.Feb 04 22:59
schestowitzThe model is brokenFeb 04 22:59
FurnaceBoyinnovation in crime.Feb 04 22:59
schestowitzIncentivising short-termFeb 04 23:00
schestowitzThey can shove it on soem .ch bank acountFeb 04 23:00
schestowitzSo if they do time, then darling wait in HelveticaFeb 04 23:00
FurnaceBoyhahaFeb 04 23:01
FurnaceBoynice typoFeb 04 23:01
FurnaceBoyyou mean , Arial ... surely ;-)Feb 04 23:01
FurnaceBoyi don't see anyone doing any time.Feb 04 23:01
schestowitzFurnaceBoy:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetica "This article is about the typeface Helvetica. For the Confoederatio Helvetica, see Switzerland. For the Swiss predecessor state, see Helvetic Republic. For the documentary, see Helvetica (film)."Feb 04 23:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Helvetica - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 65.63 KBFeb 04 23:02
FurnaceBoyhm. I thought it was known as Helvetia.Feb 04 23:02
*FurnaceBoy stands correctedFeb 04 23:02
schestowitzI was there about 8 timesFeb 04 23:03
FurnaceBoyI've only been once .. I like Zuerich :)Feb 04 23:03
*MinceR initiates the Helvetica ScenarioFeb 04 23:03
schestowitzBanksterlandFeb 04 23:03
schestowitzThe film crew I was with was French-SwissFeb 04 23:03
schestowitzThey can't film near UBSFeb 04 23:03
schestowitzThe banks are rightly afraid of the publicFeb 04 23:04
schestowitzThey looted the Swiss taxpayers BGI TIMEFeb 04 23:04
schestowitz"You have to save us!!!1 You're all depending on us... we ARE the economy... blah blah"Feb 04 23:04
schestowitzAIG had a document in PDF where they explain how they are immune because of interdependenciesFeb 04 23:04
schestowitzBanstardsFeb 04 23:04
schestowitzSo risk to them means nothingFeb 04 23:05
schestowitzNo more than a kid experimenting in the pool while his/her mom is watchingFeb 04 23:05
schestowitzOr a game of Enemy TerritoryFeb 04 23:05
schestowitzYou die? Oh, never mind... you respawnFeb 04 23:05
schestowitzBeing a bankster is easy life... it's about how much you win. You can't lose. The public is the bank's "insurance plan"Feb 04 23:06
schestowitzhttp://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2010/02/data-cruncher-bites-dust.htmlFeb 04 23:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Beez' speaks..: A data cruncher bites the dust .::. Size~: 81.83 KBFeb 04 23:07
FurnaceBoy"The big winner in Microsoft's results was its flagship Windows division, which posted a 70 percent increase in sales to $6.9 billion. Sales were up about 30 percent, excluding the effect of the deferred revenue. That was well above most analyst estimates and reinforces the notion that the PC market is back."Feb 04 23:08
FurnaceBoy"reinforces the notion"Feb 04 23:09
FurnaceBoyrevealing phrase.Feb 04 23:09
FurnaceBoy(via http://paidcontent.org/article/419-microsoft-blows-past-analyst-estimates/ )Feb 04 23:09
schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/opinion/04brass.html?pagewanted=2&ref=opinionFeb 04 23:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Op-Ed Contributor - Microsofts Creative Destruction - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 52.84 KBFeb 04 23:15
FurnaceBoy"Me and almost all of those people who I know gotten let go (with exception of one) have found gainful employment, most back at MS in vendor or contract positions. I had to hustle but with persistence it is possible." <-- define 'hustle', please.Feb 04 23:15
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I contacted himFeb 04 23:15
schestowitzhe's a shillerFeb 04 23:15
schestowitzHe used to write for Seattle P-IFeb 04 23:15
FurnaceBoyso his job is "reinforcing notions"Feb 04 23:16
FurnaceBoyyayFeb 04 23:16
schestowitzANd he defended his lies to me with Microsoft talking pointsFeb 04 23:16
FurnaceBoyLOLFeb 04 23:16
schestowitzThey try to clean up after the liesFeb 04 23:17
schestowitzI've grown tried of them, so I just expose themFeb 04 23:17
schestowitzThey can't be persuaded when the check comes from the Microsoft PEFeb 04 23:17
schestowitz*PRFeb 04 23:17
schestowitzTHeyWanttoBlieve(R)Feb 04 23:17
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/02/former_tablet_pc_guru_says_microsoft_has_sabatoged_itself.htmlFeb 04 23:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Former Tablet PC guru says Microsoft has sabotaged itself .::. Size~: 51.84 KBFeb 04 23:18
schestowitzAnother silly fan: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5152Feb 04 23:19
schestowitzShe has lost her wayFeb 04 23:19
schestowitzShe's afraid of criticising the criminal corp. nowFeb 04 23:19
FurnaceBoypeople are so incredibly unawareFeb 04 23:19
schestowitzCause they 'punish' her for itFeb 04 23:19
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schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/02/windows_exec_leaving_microsoft_to_work_on_amazon_kindle.htmlFeb 04 23:20
schestowitzAnadonmentFeb 04 23:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Windows exec leaving Microsoft to work on Amazon Kindle .::. Size~: 55.12 KBFeb 04 23:20
schestowitz*AbandonmentFeb 04 23:21
FurnaceBoyThis guy is describing a Stalinist purge: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7555958&postID=3061876540397221260Feb 04 23:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Blogger: Mini-Microsoft - Post a Comment .::. Size~: 114.92 KBFeb 04 23:21
schestowitzBut he's poisoning Amazon againFeb 04 23:21
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EntryismFeb 04 23:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Entryism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 51.25 KBFeb 04 23:21
schestowitzhttp://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2010/01/28/sun-gets-a-new-sales-department-apple-releases-a-nice-picture-frame-with-drm/ "nice picture frame with DRM"Feb 04 23:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Sun gets a new sales department, Apple releases a nice picture frame with DRM | Moved by Freedom - Powered by Standards .::. Size~: 23.33 KBFeb 04 23:23
schestowitzHaha.Feb 04 23:23
schestowitznice picture frame with DRMFeb 04 23:23
schestowitz"Mommy, what is DEEE AAARRRRRR am?Feb 04 23:23
schestowitz"You'll learn when you grow up sweetheart... and all your childhood photos are purged"Feb 04 23:24
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/03/iraq-lifts-candidates-election-banFeb 04 23:27
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/03/italian-mps-berlusconi-trial-delay "Planned law upholds 'legitimate impediment' principle, meaning ministers can postpone trials for being 'too busy'"Feb 04 23:28
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Chips_B_MalroyHi allFeb 04 23:31
schestowitzHehe. http://www.sexparty.org.au/index.php/press-releases/619-depictions-of-female-orgasm-being-banned-by-classification-boardFeb 04 23:31
Chips_B_Malroymost have probably already seen this one:  http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/corporate/windows_executive_mike_nash_to_leave_microsoft.htmlFeb 04 23:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Watch - Corporate - Windows Executive Mike Nash to Leave Microsoft .::. Size~: 40.71 KBFeb 04 23:32
schestowitzNature is SO disgustingFeb 04 23:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Ah ! the I'm too Busy and Important to be deposed! (Gates in MS v Novell)Feb 04 23:32
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: yes, I saw thatFeb 04 23:32
Chips_B_Malroyanother Softie goneFeb 04 23:32
MinceRand its disgustingness is sex-dependentFeb 04 23:32
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: yes, with philanropalism or whatever is calledFeb 04 23:32
MinceRyay for emancipationFeb 04 23:33
Chips_B_MalroyAnd Ozzie is invisableFeb 04 23:33
schestowitzToo busy...... making money and scamming governments to feed thta moneyFeb 04 23:33
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: yes, that tooFeb 04 23:33
MinceRi wonder if mike nash is going into another company to controlFeb 04 23:33
schestowitzYesFeb 04 23:33
schestowitzAmazonFeb 04 23:33
schestowitzIt's already MS-filledFeb 04 23:33
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+mike+nash&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GBFeb 04 23:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: site:boycottnovell.com mike nash - Google Search .::. Size~: 24.6 KBFeb 04 23:34
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8496263.stm  but not sure the licence, Nokia has been doing this for awhile now.  This should be a lesson for M$, that only free open source tech is going be able to survive in the phone world.  And the only ones to make money will be hardware companies there.Feb 04 23:35
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 94.35 KBFeb 04 23:35
schestowitz"Feb 04 23:36
schestowitzAll-in-all, I’m willing to believe Ballmer really didn’t know. I meanFeb 04 23:36
schestowitzthis is the same company where Mike Nash, Microsoft’s corporate VP ofFeb 04 23:36
schestowitzWindows Product Management e-mailed Microsoft’s top brass on Feb. 25,Feb 04 23:36
schestowitz2007 that “I personally got burned by the Intel 915 chip set issueFeb 04 23:36
schestowitzthat I bought PERSONALLY (eg with my own $$$).” “I know that I choseFeb 04 23:36
schestowitzmy laptop (a Sony TX770P) because it had the Vista logo and was prettyFeb 04 23:36
schestowitzdisappointed that not only wouldn’t it run [Aero] Glass, but moreFeb 04 23:36
schestowitzimportantly it wouldn’t run Movie Maker.” Nash felt that he had boughtFeb 04 23:36
schestowitza “$2,100 e-mail machine.”Feb 04 23:36
Chips_B_Malroybot missed the title:  Symbian phone operating system goes open source Feb 04 23:36
schestowitz"Feb 04 23:36
schestowitzhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/can_microsofts_ballmer_get_away_with_itFeb 04 23:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Can Microsoft's Ballmer get away with it? - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 136.92 KBFeb 04 23:36
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: EPL sucksFeb 04 23:36
schestowitzIBM junkFeb 04 23:36
schestowitzPatents and stuffFeb 04 23:36
cubezzzthat reminds me, I need to check ebay for ARM laptops Feb 04 23:37
MinceR"And the only ones to make money will be hardware companies there." -- what about google?Feb 04 23:37
cubezzzhttp://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/04/vegetative.state/index.html?hpt=T2Feb 04 23:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 'Vegetative state' man responds to questions - CNN.com .::. Size~: 59.71 KBFeb 04 23:37
Chips_B_MalroyMinceR> well yes, Google will make money from the seach tie insFeb 04 23:37
MinceRdon't they also make money from their proprietary apps?Feb 04 23:38
Chips_B_MalroyAnd Apple will make money, even though OS X embedded is not free.  But remember that Apple uses free BSD as its base to do thisFeb 04 23:38
MinceRand MachFeb 04 23:39
MinceRand KDEFeb 04 23:39
Chips_B_MalroyyesFeb 04 23:39
MinceRand who knows what else.Feb 04 23:39
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/20894190Feb 04 23:39
schestowitz"@schestowitz I have pity of the one whohasto keep up withy our rhythm :) good job!"Feb 04 23:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Rui Seabra (ruiseabra) 's status on Thursday, 04-Feb-10 22:07:04 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.46 KBFeb 04 23:39
Chips_B_MalroyI cannot see any way ahead for MS in cellphone Operating SystemsFeb 04 23:40
schestowitzMinceR: CUPSFeb 04 23:40
schestowitzSambaFeb 04 23:40
MinceRindeedFeb 04 23:41
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Symbian-OS-now-completely-open-source-Update-922014.html http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/02/04/symbian-comes-out-of-the-closet/Feb 04 23:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Symbian OS now completely open source - Update - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.58 KBFeb 04 23:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Symbian Comes out of the Closet at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 26.92 KBFeb 04 23:41
Chips_B_Malroyeven if MS buys a cellphone hardware company, no body really wants WinMo on itFeb 04 23:41
MinceRat least they won't sue the guys who make CUPSFeb 04 23:41
MinceRbecause they've bought the companyFeb 04 23:41
MinceRthey've already bought one -- Danger.Feb 04 23:41
FurnaceBoyhaha.Feb 04 23:41
Chips_B_MalroyDanger makes phones?Feb 04 23:42
MinceRand they don't want WinMo on it, they're putting NetBSD on it, afaikFeb 04 23:42
MinceRthey make the Sidekick, don't they?Feb 04 23:42
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.google.ca/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=danger+sidekick+data+loss&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8Feb 04 23:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: danger sidekick data loss - Google Search .::. Size~: 29.83 KBFeb 04 23:42
MinceRi'm not sure if they'll have Danger make the zune phone, thoughFeb 04 23:42
schestowitzMore Bollox from gates.Feb 04 23:42
schestowitzhttp://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2010/2/3/4446147.htmlFeb 04 23:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Gates Keepers :: Pipe dreams, distraction, and opportunity costs comments from the head of the Gates Foundation .::. Size~: 23.66 KBFeb 04 23:42
Chips_B_Malroyzune phone is not even as much as vaporwareFeb 04 23:42
schestowitz"Bill Gates certainly knows about pipe dreams, distraction, and opportunity costs. But since when is he an expert on immunisation delivery?"Feb 04 23:42
schestowitz"Bill Gates, who just pledged $10 billion, the largest charitable donation in history, to getting other vaccines to the poor, dismissed flu vaccine shipments as “a pipe dream.”" Feb 04 23:43
schestowitzIt's NOT a donationFeb 04 23:43
schestowitz!!Feb 04 23:43
schestowitzThese are patentsFeb 04 23:43
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: a team of 10 people could build it in months. the problem is structural :)Feb 04 23:43
schestowitzIt's like donating patents that promote one's own invetsmentsFeb 04 23:43
MinceR"donations" that cost them nothing, as usual?Feb 04 23:43
schestowitzCue press asking Gates why Wall Street is crashing this weekFeb 04 23:43
Chips_B_MalroyNow the 10 billion is vaporware, it depends on a lot of "ifs."  PRFeb 04 23:44
schestowitzBill gates has to be VERY smart... after all, he successfully robbed many peopleFeb 04 23:44
Chips_B_Malroyif we find a cureFeb 04 23:44
schestowitzTo hell with this economics professorsFeb 04 23:44
Chips_B_Malroywe are almost there on the cureFeb 04 23:44
Chips_B_MalroyPRFeb 04 23:44
cubezzzhmm?Feb 04 23:44
schestowitz"Let them east PR"Feb 04 23:44
cubezzzwhat's wrong now? :)Feb 04 23:45
schestowitz*eatFeb 04 23:45
Chips_B_Malroymaybe 3 years away, more PRFeb 04 23:45
schestowitz*:-)Feb 04 23:45
Chips_B_Malroysounds like the 2 to 3 year windows upgrade treadmill being applied to the foundation actuallyFeb 04 23:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: smart yes. ethical, not so much ;-)Feb 04 23:46
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the interesting thing that falls out of reading his testimony is that he believes his own lies. deep psychosis.Feb 04 23:46
Chips_B_Malroybut it would be nice if Gates did actually do something meaningful for his fellow human beingsFeb 04 23:46
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he's so far down the rabbit hole he doesn't know where his mind ends and reality begins. a bit like ole DFeb 04 23:47
MinceRD?Feb 04 23:47
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: that's like waiting for Bernie Madoff to cure AIDSFeb 04 23:47
Chips_B_MalroyGates is a schemer, and scam artisitFeb 04 23:47
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: and that's an understatement. one of the most successful scammers and thieves who ever lived.Feb 04 23:47
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: almost the perfect crime, if we let him get away with it.Feb 04 23:48
Chips_B_Malroyhe has gotten away with it, face itFeb 04 23:48
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: so far, he's successfully hacked the law.Feb 04 23:48
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: and public opinionFeb 04 23:48
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: but history will judge himFeb 04 23:48
Chips_B_MalroyThe best that can ever happen is MS goes awayFeb 04 23:48
MinceRhe has gotten away with a lotFeb 04 23:49
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: it would be painful enough for them to keep 30% market share. they would then have to 'compete'Feb 04 23:49
Chips_B_Malroymaybe monsanto and a few other morally bankrupt corps he has money inFeb 04 23:49
MinceRactually we can theoretically do better than just making m$ go awayFeb 04 23:49
FurnaceBoyMinceR: we can salt their fields :)Feb 04 23:49
FurnaceBoyMinceR: we are doing better. free software :)Feb 04 23:50
MinceRif we had less corrupt governments, we could take away all their money and property and lock them upFeb 04 23:50
Chips_B_MalroyBut Gates and his bunch, will not ever be held to accountFeb 04 23:50
FurnaceBoyMinceR: win-win. kill microsoft, build great tools.Feb 04 23:50
MinceRperhaps even death penalty, depending on lawsFeb 04 23:50
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: don't be so sure :)Feb 04 23:50
Chips_B_Malroyit is just the way things workFeb 04 23:50
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: pitchforks. flaming torches. :)Feb 04 23:50
Chips_B_Malroynot going happenFeb 04 23:50
FurnaceBoywait and see :)Feb 04 23:50
MinceRi prefer the pitchfork approachFeb 04 23:50
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: there's going to be a lot of unhappy people when the pyramid scheme implodes.Feb 04 23:51
MinceRit can overcome corruption more effectivelyFeb 04 23:51
Chips_B_Malroyvery few revolutions by the poor actually secededFeb 04 23:51
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: the company can't keep going. shareholders are going to burn them at the stake.Feb 04 23:51
MinceRthere already was a pyramid scheme imploding, and only the poor had to suffer for itFeb 04 23:51
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: then we'll see some action.Feb 04 23:51
Chips_B_MalroyThe more likely route to the rich people losing there money was what happened in Ancient RomeFeb 04 23:51
FurnaceBoyMinceR: of course, the little people will lose billions. but there will be consequences.Feb 04 23:51
Chips_B_MalroyExample:  Marius and SullaFeb 04 23:52
Chips_B_Malroyproscribed list of the powerful and richFeb 04 23:52
FurnaceBoyGates has hubris.Feb 04 23:52
FurnaceBoyHubris is fatal. Feb 04 23:52
FurnaceBoyplus, he is blind.Feb 04 23:53
Chips_B_Malroyrevolution will only happen here at the ballot boxFeb 04 23:53
MinceRnot if the elections are stolenFeb 04 23:53
FurnaceBoyhe'll be done in by his psychoses, and also by  betraying his court.Feb 04 23:53
FurnaceBoylike all crazy kings. the knife waits.Feb 04 23:53
Chips_B_MalroyGates, like me is getting old, he will fade away in timeFeb 04 23:53
MinceRor if the election system is broken enoughFeb 04 23:53
MinceRor if the people are stupid enough (and they probably are)Feb 04 23:54
cubezzzas long as Microsoft fades away as wellFeb 04 23:54
MinceRthen m$ will fade away and take all the stolen goods with themFeb 04 23:54
cubezzzbut it should, things in computerland change very quicklyFeb 04 23:54
MinceRm$ managed to go beyond IT and into political corruption, that changes slowerFeb 04 23:55
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_goblinGood evening...Feb 04 23:55
MinceRhayFeb 04 23:55
_goblinbeen so busy with work had very little time for anythin.....Feb 04 23:55
_goblingot some time off coming up though...Feb 04 23:55
Chips_B_MalroyI only mention the example of Marius and Sulla, as examples of what happens to a Republic as it becomes corrupted.  The rich form groups that try to control the Republic, and at some point this can evolve into open warfare, as it did in Rome.Feb 04 23:57
Chips_B_MalroyFortunately, I don't think we will reach that point in my lifetime.Feb 04 23:58
_goblin....."Romanes Eunt Domus"Feb 04 23:58
_goblinfor those with a Monty Python love....Feb 04 23:58
MinceR:>Feb 04 23:58
_goblinCenturion: Hail Caesar. If it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off!Feb 04 23:59
_goblinBrian: Oh, thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar and everything, sir!Feb 04 23:59
Chips_B_MalroyI am not for volence.  Not even for those who have stole.  But I do wish Gates will find an inner peace to his life, and become a true plantristFeb 04 23:59

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