Chips_B_Malroy | wish those who have done bad, well | Feb 05 00:00 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Ah Goblin, you prefer the Star Wars analogy to the Roman one? | Feb 05 00:01 |
MinceR | turn the other cheek? :> | Feb 05 00:01 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> not really | Feb 05 00:02 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I still think he needs to be sued | Feb 05 00:02 |
Chips_B_Malroy | and some extended jail time would be good too | Feb 05 00:02 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but its not going happen | Feb 05 00:02 |
_goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: No I think I like the Rome one now. | Feb 05 00:03 |
_goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: Although when Ben Kinobi describes Mosisley Space port he was really talking about Microsoft.......... | Feb 05 00:04 |
_goblin | "There has never been a more wretched hive of scum and villany" | Feb 05 00:04 |
_goblin | he's got Microsoft spot on there. | Feb 05 00:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer would fit in well with the Star Wars orginial movie bar scene | Feb 05 00:05 |
_goblin | I see him more as one of the Hut's | Feb 05 00:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | nice idea "Java the Ballmer" | Feb 05 00:06 |
_goblin | lol... | Feb 05 00:06 |
Chips_B_Malroy | make a nice graphic | Feb 05 00:06 |
_goblin | Ballmer the Hutt... | Feb 05 00:07 |
_goblin | I don't think you would need to edit the photo, there is similarity there between the two. | Feb 05 00:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | let see ksnapshot, wonder if I could use gimp to morph in the picture? | Feb 05 00:08 |
_goblin | http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/Jabba_Hutt-Sideshow-l.jpg | Feb 05 00:08 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Feb 05 00:08 |
_goblin | and now steve. | Feb 05 00:09 |
_goblin | http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images/steve-ballmer.jpg | Feb 05 00:09 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Feb 05 00:09 |
_goblin | the similarity is striking... | Feb 05 00:09 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I like the one from the 2nd movie with Java and the princess in the picture, The woman running Yahoo would fit right in this | Feb 05 00:10 |
_goblin | 5th movie you mean....? | Feb 05 00:10 |
FurnaceBoy | _goblin: Welease Wodewick! | Feb 05 00:10 |
_goblin | lol.... | Feb 05 00:10 |
_goblin | he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy...now p&&& off! | Feb 05 00:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I think 2nd | Feb 05 00:11 |
_goblin | although you can't beat the best scene..... | Feb 05 00:12 |
_goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGb4STRfKw | Feb 05 00:12 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] New tech makes Lithium Ion batteries not suck http://ur1.ca/lhya | Feb 05 00:12 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | anyway, I have to run, carry on the good work | Feb 05 00:12 |
_goblin | take care mate! | Feb 05 00:12 |
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DaemonFC | I have a nice Mandriva set up, but I must admit I was thrown off by fglrx | Feb 05 00:21 |
DaemonFC | it seems that they don't load the fglrx module if speedboot is enabled (which is the default) | Feb 05 00:22 |
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schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-02-03-022-35-MM-SW-0000 "A Linux Insider endorsement of a Mono based app. [sarcasm] Who would have thought it? [/sarcasm]" | Feb 05 00:22 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Today - F-Spot: An Able-Bodied All-in-One Image Machine .::. Size~: 73.63 KB | Feb 05 00:22 |
schestowitz | Ha!! | Feb 05 00:22 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/statuses/8639263831 | Feb 05 00:22 |
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schestowitz | I'm tempted to reply to him | Feb 05 00:22 |
schestowitz | But it would be perceived as borderline annoyance | Feb 05 00:22 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: It caught me off guard when it fell back to vesa and told me that Compiz could not be enabled | Feb 05 00:22 |
schestowitz | I prefer not to communicate with the Turfers | Feb 05 00:23 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: ATI? | Feb 05 00:23 |
DaemonFC | really I have no idea why they would create such an obvious conflict | Feb 05 00:23 |
DaemonFC | yes | Feb 05 00:23 |
schestowitz | No GPU is harsh | Feb 05 00:23 |
schestowitz | It's off when windows don't wobble and x redrawing is viisble | Feb 05 00:23 |
DaemonFC | it's obvious that half (ish) of their users have ATI and will want the FGLRX driver | Feb 05 00:23 |
schestowitz | I got used to having it resolved and part of history | Feb 05 00:23 |
DaemonFC | why couldn't they automatically shut off speedboot when you install FGLRX? | Feb 05 00:24 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: HAHA, the url shortener is *.MS | Feb 05 00:24 |
DaemonFC | so users don't wonder why their fglrx driver isn't loaded | Feb 05 00:24 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: so is Joe | Feb 05 00:24 |
FurnaceBoy | "At worst, you can say it's a highly repentant, largely accidental monopolist" HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA | Feb 05 00:24 |
*FurnaceBoy doesn't expect anything much from the NYT | Feb 05 00:24 | |
schestowitz | accidental | Feb 05 00:25 |
FurnaceBoy | REPENTANT! ACCIDENTAL! "At worst"! HAHAHAHHAAAHA | Feb 05 00:25 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Couldn't they just use a script to shut off speedboot when you install FGLRX and turn it back on if you ever uninstall FGLRX? | Feb 05 00:25 |
*FurnaceBoy facepalms | Feb 05 00:25 | |
DaemonFC | the user would not even have to know it happened | Feb 05 00:25 |
schestowitz | Bundy was an accidental serial murder | Feb 05 00:25 |
schestowitz | He just loves those women too much /sacasm | Feb 05 00:25 |
schestowitz | *sarcasm] | Feb 05 00:25 |
DaemonFC | Bundy!! Bundy!! Bundy!!! | Feb 05 00:25 |
schestowitz | Not this one | Feb 05 00:25 |
DaemonFC | oh wait, Ted, not Al :( | Feb 05 00:25 |
schestowitz | Ted | Feb 05 00:25 |
MinceR | lol | Feb 05 00:25 |
schestowitz | There's another crazy Ted | Feb 05 00:26 |
schestowitz | [except T'so] | Feb 05 00:26 |
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DaemonFC | Al Bundy is one of my favorite TV show characters of all time, don't disrespect Al :) | Feb 05 00:26 |
schestowitz | I think we have agents here | Feb 05 00:26 |
Agent | Good night | Feb 05 00:26 |
*Agent is now known as Guest55826 | Feb 05 00:26 | |
*schestowitz looks for Microsoft spies, shivering in his boots | Feb 05 00:26 | |
schestowitz | :-) | Feb 05 00:26 |
schestowitz | Hey. Guest55826 | Feb 05 00:26 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: You're going to laugh, but I actually lost my Windows 7 serial | Feb 05 00:27 |
cubezzz | oh noooes | Feb 05 00:27 |
schestowitz | I laugh at the serial | Feb 05 00:27 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @josephtartakoff Harsh criticism of #Microsoft in NYT http://nyti.ms/cHfQNb <--only a shill like Tartakoff cd call this pandering "harsh" | Feb 05 00:27 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Op-Ed Contributor - Microsofts Creative Destruction - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 55.59 KB | Feb 05 00:27 |
schestowitz | Not that you lost it | Feb 05 00:27 |
DaemonFC | I'll probably find it while I'm vacuuming one day :) | Feb 05 00:27 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the sad part was you ever had one. | Feb 05 00:27 |
_Goblin | daemonFC: You say that like its a bad thing.... | Feb 05 00:27 |
schestowitz | If only I could find my "Linux serial" | Feb 05 00:27 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ohnoes | Feb 05 00:27 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: You use Red Hat? :D | Feb 05 00:27 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: is your kernel Activated? | Feb 05 00:28 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: is it PR masqueraded as criticism? I hate those | Feb 05 00:28 |
DaemonFC | I'm not that worried, I still have Windows Server 2008 R2 :P | Feb 05 00:28 |
schestowitz | Like the recent "world without Windows" BS | Feb 05 00:28 |
DaemonFC | same thing really | Feb 05 00:28 |
schestowitz | They use dramatic headlines to "inject" FUD | Feb 05 00:28 |
cubezzz | hmmm? actually that sounds rather good :) | Feb 05 00:28 |
Guest55826 | Gentlemen, have you heard about M$ criticism in NYT ??? | Feb 05 00:28 |
schestowitz | That is, use headline to draw in readers | Feb 05 00:28 |
schestowitz | Then tell Microsoft PR points | Feb 05 00:28 |
cubezzz | link us | Feb 05 00:29 |
schestowitz | And the Microsoft bloggers all seem to point to this WSJ piece | Feb 05 00:29 |
Guest55826 | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/opinion/04brass.html | Feb 05 00:29 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Op-Ed Contributor - Microsofts Creative Destruction - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 55.64 KB | Feb 05 00:29 |
cubezzz | or is it pay? | Feb 05 00:29 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: me can, me can | Feb 05 00:29 |
schestowitz | I need to read it properly later | Feb 05 00:29 |
Guest55826 | Ahhh, someone arrived first | Feb 05 00:29 |
Guest55826 | Eheheheheh | Feb 05 00:29 |
*DaemonFC wonders why every Linux distro lately thinks that broken Flash is better than none at all | Feb 05 00:30 | |
cubezzz | is NY Times anti-Microsoft? | Feb 05 00:30 |
MinceR | because the web is thoroughly infected with Trash? | Feb 05 00:30 |
schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/black-hawk-crashes-germany/ | Feb 05 00:30 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: U.S. Black Hawk crashes in Germany | Raw Story .::. Size~: 24.76 KB | Feb 05 00:30 |
schestowitz | Did any houses get hurt? | Feb 05 00:30 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz: The NY Times was running full page ads for Windows 95 | Feb 05 00:30 |
Guest55826 | But i got the link initially from: | Feb 05 00:30 |
Guest55826 | http://www.gizmodo.com.br/conteudo/como-inovacao-morreu-na-microsoft | Feb 05 00:31 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Como a inovação morreu na Microsoft | Gizmodo Brasil .::. Size~: 38.8 KB | Feb 05 00:31 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: no, it's VEYR pro-Microsoft | Feb 05 00:31 |
Guest55826 | Gizmodo | Feb 05 00:31 |
schestowitz | Microsoft was close to buying them allegedly | Feb 05 00:31 |
cubezzz | ah well if you pay enough... | Feb 05 00:31 |
cubezzz | you can get a full page | Feb 05 00:31 |
schestowitz | NY Times is zombie | Feb 05 00:31 |
schestowitz | It'll die | Feb 05 00:31 |
schestowitz | HUGE debt | Feb 05 00:31 |
cubezzz | all the papers seem in trouble | Feb 05 00:31 |
schestowitz | Yes | Feb 05 00:31 |
schestowitz | Dead business model | Feb 05 00:31 |
schestowitz | Some just refuse to get the "memo" | Feb 05 00:31 |
schestowitz | BN too has no income at all | Feb 05 00:32 |
schestowitz | Never had | Feb 05 00:32 |
cubezzz | you have some ads though? | Feb 05 00:32 |
cubezzz | for hosting? | Feb 05 00:32 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: Haiti PM says more than 200,000 dead | Feb 05 00:32 |
schestowitz | THat's like 66 9/11s | Feb 05 00:32 |
Guest55826 | R u considering to quit ?, Mr. Schestowitz ? | Feb 05 00:33 |
schestowitz | No, why? | Feb 05 00:33 |
Guest55826 | I hope not, since i love to read BN | Feb 05 00:33 |
_Goblin | here we go..... | Feb 05 00:33 |
schestowitz | Thanks! | Feb 05 00:33 |
cubezzz | not until the big check from Gates arrives! | Feb 05 00:33 |
Guest55826 | You told you have no income... | Feb 05 00:33 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: huh? | Feb 05 00:33 |
cubezzz | j/k of course :) | Feb 05 00:33 |
Guest55826 | Thought you were complaining at the harshes of life... | Feb 05 00:34 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: Gates writes cheques to evil-doers | Feb 05 00:34 |
schestowitz | Like Monsanto and Novartis | Feb 05 00:34 |
_Goblin | schestowitz: mark my words....it won't take long......the usual routine.... | Feb 05 00:34 |
_Goblin | shcestowitz: "I like Linux but....." | Feb 05 00:34 |
schestowitz | We'll see.. | Feb 05 00:34 |
Guest55826 | Who ? | Feb 05 00:34 |
cubezzz | that kind of talk is silly | Feb 05 00:35 |
cubezzz | I used Linux in 1994, but I strayed :-/ | Feb 05 00:35 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: "why don't you just give UP?" | Feb 05 00:35 |
_Goblin | yep, thats a common one... | Feb 05 00:35 |
schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/haitian-children-allegedly-abducted-christian-group-reunited-parents/ | Feb 05 00:35 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Haitian children allegedly abducted by Christian group reunited with parents | Raw Story .::. Size~: 29.75 KB | Feb 05 00:35 |
cubezzz | I always hated doze | Feb 05 00:35 |
cubezzz | since 2.0 | Feb 05 00:36 |
cubezzz | never tried 1.0 :) | Feb 05 00:36 |
schestowitz | Doze of Vodka! | Feb 05 00:36 |
_Goblin | or "hate filed basement dweller." | Feb 05 00:36 |
cubezzz | I'm sure I would have hated it though | Feb 05 00:36 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: I don't know yet... seems innocent | Feb 05 00:36 |
_Goblin | they always do. | Feb 05 00:36 |
schestowitz | Guest55826: what's new anyway? | Feb 05 00:36 |
cubezzz | Gates house is mostly underground | Feb 05 00:36 |
schestowitz | Let's use names that are easy to remember | Feb 05 00:36 |
schestowitz | Guestxxxxxxxx is very geenric | Feb 05 00:37 |
schestowitz | *generic | Feb 05 00:37 |
_Goblin | guest55826: What distro are you running? | Feb 05 00:37 |
cubezzz | the doze distro! ;-) | Feb 05 00:37 |
_Goblin | guest55826: you a slackware fan? | Feb 05 00:37 |
schestowitz | http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/pitw/2010/02/ron_ramsey_i_dont_know_whether.php | Feb 05 00:37 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ron Ramsey: 'I Don't Know' Whether Obama Is Kenyan - Nashville News - Nashville Scene - Pith in the Wind .::. Size~: 119.36 KB | Feb 05 00:37 |
schestowitz | Oh, not *that* agaijn | Feb 05 00:38 |
Guest55826 | Me ??? | Feb 05 00:38 |
schestowitz | They talk about smears and people, not policies | Feb 05 00:38 |
schestowitz | Guest55826: try Pardus | Feb 05 00:38 |
schestowitz | It looks nice | Feb 05 00:38 |
Guest55826 | I use a lot | Feb 05 00:38 |
Guest55826 | Puppy | Feb 05 00:38 |
schestowitz | Uses KDE4 | Feb 05 00:38 |
Guest55826 | Vector | Feb 05 00:38 |
Guest55826 | No | Feb 05 00:38 |
Guest55826 | KDE 3.5 | Feb 05 00:38 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Feb 05 00:38 |
Guest55826 | Or XFCE | Feb 05 00:38 |
schestowitz | It's good too | Feb 05 00:38 |
cubezzz | you guys always fall for the new stuff :) | Feb 05 00:38 |
schestowitz | I like KDE 4 | Feb 05 00:38 |
Guest55826 | Debian Etch | Feb 05 00:38 |
schestowitz | 4.4 is out soon | Feb 05 00:38 |
Guest55826 | Kurumin | Feb 05 00:38 |
schestowitz | Debian is big in Brazil | Feb 05 00:39 |
_Goblin | Thats quite a selection guest... | Feb 05 00:39 |
Guest55826 | Yup | Feb 05 00:39 |
schestowitz | And its derivatives | Feb 05 00:39 |
Guest55826 | I'm from Brazil | Feb 05 00:39 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: it's cool! | Feb 05 00:39 |
Guest55826 | And i started on Linux in the times Conectiva was great | Feb 05 00:39 |
_Goblin | my favorite Sf2 character comes from Brazil. | Feb 05 00:39 |
Guest55826 | 2003 | Feb 05 00:39 |
schestowitz | Mandriva has a new site in Brazil | Feb 05 00:39 |
Guest55826 | No... | Feb 05 00:39 |
schestowitz | They announced it last week | Feb 05 00:39 |
Guest55826 | Not Blanka | Feb 05 00:39 |
_Goblin | yep | Feb 05 00:39 |
Guest55826 | Blanka is a joke | Feb 05 00:39 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Feb 05 00:40 |
FurnaceBoy | http://mandriva.com/br | Feb 05 00:40 |
DaemonFC | I still don't get what their deal with booting 3 seconds faster and fucking over fglrx is | Feb 05 00:40 |
schestowitz | I never likes Blanka | Feb 05 00:40 |
Guest55826 | At least Tekken is more respectful with Brazil | Feb 05 00:40 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mandriva (Brasil) .::. Size~: 13.37 KB | Feb 05 00:40 |
DaemonFC | oh well | Feb 05 00:40 |
schestowitz | I likes Ryu | Feb 05 00:40 |
schestowitz | *liked | Feb 05 00:40 |
_Goblin | hey don't knock the blanka....he's the man. | Feb 05 00:40 |
cubezzz | WOrld Heroes 2 for me :) | Feb 05 00:40 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: it's a creature | Feb 05 00:40 |
Guest55826 | At least Eddy Gordo from Tekken fame is not a green electric monkey... | Feb 05 00:40 |
schestowitz | Even Zangief was somewhat human | Feb 05 00:40 |
_Goblin | no he's not.....didn't you see the low budget movie? | Feb 05 00:41 |
schestowitz | Clumsy though | Feb 05 00:41 |
_Goblin | *Blanka that is. | Feb 05 00:41 |
schestowitz | _Goblin: not yet | Feb 05 00:41 |
cubezzz | I saw the anime | Feb 05 00:41 |
schestowitz | Just trailer | Feb 05 00:41 |
_Goblin | ah... | Feb 05 00:41 |
_Goblin | he aint a monster.... | Feb 05 00:41 |
schestowitz | Casablanca | Feb 05 00:41 |
_Goblin | lol | Feb 05 00:41 |
Guest55826 | I'm eagerly waiting for Tekken movie | Feb 05 00:41 |
_Goblin | you are? | Feb 05 00:41 |
Guest55826 | Seems gr8 | Feb 05 00:41 |
_Goblin | lets hope its not another Dead or alive | Feb 05 00:41 |
Guest55826 | Jeeez | Feb 05 00:41 |
_Goblin | or even Street Fighter... | Feb 05 00:41 |
Guest55826 | DOA sux | Feb 05 00:41 |
MinceR | i'm eagerly waiting for the Deadpool movie | Feb 05 00:41 |
schestowitz | Linux news has been pleasant recently | Feb 05 00:42 |
_Goblin | sf was only saved by the lovely Ms Minogue | Feb 05 00:42 |
cubezzz | when I started going to arcades the games were B&W :) | Feb 05 00:42 |
schestowitz | There's less and less MSFT and NOVL to cover over time | Feb 05 00:42 |
schestowitz | MSFT has no new products | Feb 05 00:42 |
Guest55826 | Well, it was a nice attempt for that time | Feb 05 00:42 |
schestowitz | NOVL has nothing at all... and the staff runs away | Feb 05 00:42 |
_Goblin | cubezzz: I remmember those days, with the painted on backdrops! | Feb 05 00:42 |
cubezzz | heh | Feb 05 00:42 |
Guest55826 | Folks, i guess this year Novell discloses it was bought by M$... | Feb 05 00:43 |
schestowitz | My first PC run pacman | Feb 05 00:43 |
schestowitz | I was privileged to play snooker on CGA | Feb 05 00:43 |
_Goblin | mine was Kings Quest | Feb 05 00:43 |
schestowitz | :-p | Feb 05 00:43 |
Guest55826 | Ahhh, and you're from England ??? My first PC was a Sinclair | Feb 05 00:43 |
cubezzz | early PC games were pretty bad | Feb 05 00:43 |
schestowitz | Some people grew up on vector displays (or none) | Feb 05 00:43 |
_Goblin | 48k rubber keys rule | Feb 05 00:43 |
Guest55826 | Yup | Feb 05 00:43 |
Guest55826 | What happened to Sir Clive ??? | Feb 05 00:44 |
_Goblin | still alive... | Feb 05 00:44 |
Guest55826 | He was DA MAN | Feb 05 00:44 |
Guest55826 | His machines were gr8 | Feb 05 00:44 |
_Goblin | mmm not really....you know the 48k used rejected chips.... | Feb 05 00:44 |
Guest55826 | Well, here in Brazil they were a huge hit | Feb 05 00:45 |
_Goblin | sorry rejected memory chips... | Feb 05 00:45 |
_Goblin | and yeah they were popular here. | Feb 05 00:45 |
Guest55826 | And in Spain and Europe | Feb 05 00:45 |
Guest55826 | I fondly remember the sofhouses from Spain and their games... Good old days | Feb 05 00:45 |
_Goblin | load"" | Feb 05 00:46 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: boa noite | Feb 05 00:46 |
_Goblin | "Start the tape and press any key" | Feb 05 00:46 |
Guest55826 | Boa noite | Feb 05 00:46 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: antigamente usei o Sinclair ZX81, Acorn BBC Micro etc :) | Feb 05 00:46 |
Guest55826 | R u from Brazil too, Furnace Boy ? | Feb 05 00:46 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: nao, mas morava ai, e tenho um pouco de Pt :) | Feb 05 00:47 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: de onde vc e? | Feb 05 00:47 |
Guest55826 | Aqui no Brasil era o TK 85 e depois o TK 90 | Feb 05 00:47 |
Guest55826 | Do RGS | Feb 05 00:47 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: legal. tenho alguns amigos ai | Feb 05 00:47 |
Guest55826 | E onde vc está agora FB ? | Feb 05 00:47 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: eu moro em Canada | Feb 05 00:47 |
Guest55826 | O Marcelo Branco ? | Feb 05 00:48 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: nao.. mas o meu amigo de RG as vezes entra aqui | Feb 05 00:48 |
Guest55826 | Hummm... Cool... Legal... | Feb 05 00:48 |
cubezzz | saw a bing ad on the tube yesterday | Feb 05 00:48 |
cubezzz | it was stupid :) | Feb 05 00:48 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: vc tem um nick aqui? | Feb 05 00:48 |
cubezzz | people doing yoga at the office | Feb 05 00:48 |
_Goblin | being seeing Chrome ads for a while at stations. | Feb 05 00:48 |
_Goblin | *been | Feb 05 00:49 |
Guest55826 | Até tenho, não sei o que deu que deu errado... Tenho senha e username para o BN | Feb 05 00:49 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: ah claro, depois vou te encontrar com o meu amigo alguma vez | Feb 05 00:49 |
Guest55826 | Ahhh, about Google and Chrome: Orkut was not working properly with Firefox untill this morning... | Feb 05 00:50 |
FurnaceBoy | aqui) | Feb 05 00:50 |
Guest55826 | Pode ser | Feb 05 00:50 |
Guest55826 | Meu nick aqui é Agent_Smith | Feb 05 00:50 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: o senhor rnb aqui tambem fala Pt | Feb 05 00:50 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: obrigado :) | Feb 05 00:50 |
cubezzz | Dick Brass, is that a real name? :) | Feb 05 00:51 |
FurnaceBoy | afff, pretendo "depois vou te apresentar ao meu amigo aqui" | Feb 05 00:51 |
Guest55826 | Bom, só passei para deixar o link do NYT | Feb 05 00:51 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Nokia frees Symbian code, three or four overjoyed http://is.gd/7IWmJ | Feb 05 00:51 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Nokia frees Symbian code, three or four overjoyed | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 38.75 KB | Feb 05 00:51 |
Guest55826 | Well, just droped by to bring the NYT link | Feb 05 00:51 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: sim, eu ja "tweetei" isso, um minuto antes ! | Feb 05 00:51 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: que merda, esse artigo | Feb 05 00:52 |
Guest55826 | Achei legal | Feb 05 00:52 |
schestowitz | Windows 7 kills batteries http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1590085/windows-kills-batteries | Feb 05 00:52 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: "at worst, accidental monopolist" LOLLLL | Feb 05 00:52 |
Guest55826 | Ahhh, não esse | Feb 05 00:52 |
Guest55826 | O outro que eu trouxe | Feb 05 00:52 |
FurnaceBoy | oh... | Feb 05 00:52 |
cubezzz | yeah that's just naive | Feb 05 00:52 |
Guest55826 | Que os caras do NYT malham a M$ | Feb 05 00:52 |
schestowitz | Twitter passwords compromised http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1590285/twitter-passwords-compromised | Feb 05 00:52 |
cubezzz | "knife the baby" wink wink | Feb 05 00:52 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: only somebody well paid to ignore the truth could write such lies | Feb 05 00:52 |
schestowitz | Someone should take over @BillGates and post many links and confessions about the scam he writes /joking | Feb 05 00:53 |
cubezzz | I think this Dick Brass guy is former MIcrosoft | Feb 05 00:53 |
Guest55826 | Well, we're having a historic revisionism... | Feb 05 00:53 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: seems so | Feb 05 00:53 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: last resort of the fascist | Feb 05 00:53 |
FurnaceBoy | "They don't believe us any more!" "OK, so change the books" | Feb 05 00:53 |
Guest55826 | And William Henry, who was clueless about the internet | Feb 05 00:53 |
Guest55826 | Is now: | Feb 05 00:53 |
Guest55826 | A pioneer ??? | Feb 05 00:54 |
Guest55826 | WTF ??? | Feb 05 00:54 |
cubezzz | funny | Feb 05 00:54 |
cubezzz | that's not what I remember | Feb 05 00:54 |
Guest55826 | In which planet ??? | Feb 05 00:54 |
Guest55826 | No... | Feb 05 00:54 |
schestowitz | "The company’s chief executive, Steve Ballmer, has continued to deliver huge profits. They totaled well over $100 billion in the past 10 years alone and help sustain the economies of Seattle, Washington State and the nation as a whole. Its founder, Bill Gates, is not only the most generous philanthropist in history, but has also inspired thousands of his employees to give generously themselves. No one in his right mind should wish | Feb 05 00:54 |
schestowitz | Microsoft failure." | Feb 05 00:54 |
schestowitz | Seems like a trap | Feb 05 00:54 |
schestowitz | The whole article might be an eye catcher | Feb 05 00:54 |
schestowitz | For revisoonism | Feb 05 00:54 |
schestowitz | That might also explain why all the Microturfers link to it | Feb 05 00:54 |
Guest55826 | The man wrote a book, The Road Ahead, and had no hint of the internet... | Feb 05 00:55 |
FurnaceBoy | accidental monopolist. HAHAHAHAHA | Feb 05 00:55 |
*FurnaceBoy can't get over this line | Feb 05 00:55 | |
FurnaceBoy | "At worst..." | Feb 05 00:55 |
Guest55826 | No way | Feb 05 00:55 |
Guest55826 | Those guys are plain evil. period. | Feb 05 00:55 |
FurnaceBoy | +1 | Feb 05 00:55 |
cubezzz | the employees always defend Microsoft though | Feb 05 00:55 |
cubezzz | even after they leave | Feb 05 00:55 |
Guest55826 | And because of them, today my profession is not respected anymore | Feb 05 00:55 |
FurnaceBoy | as I keep saying.. you only need to read the testimony in the various cases. Gates hangs himself a thousand times over with his own words. | Feb 05 00:55 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: yes, as schestowitz would say, they have set the industry backwards | Feb 05 00:56 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: I estimate 40 years backwards | Feb 05 00:56 |
Guest55826 | Yup | Feb 05 00:56 |
Guest55826 | In plain portuguese: | Feb 05 00:56 |
Guest55826 | Bill Gates nos tornou vigaristas e trapaceiros | Feb 05 00:56 |
cubezzz | nah, 15 years maybe | Feb 05 00:56 |
cubezzz | because of AT&T break-up | Feb 05 00:57 |
cubezzz | we got BSD | Feb 05 00:57 |
Guest55826 | And today no one trusts computer related guys | Feb 05 00:57 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: it's worse than that. | Feb 05 00:57 |
Guest55826 | He (BG) made us look like hacks and scams | Feb 05 00:57 |
cubezzz | The GNU folks are still respected by some | Feb 05 00:58 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: MS is only now copying key innovations in UNIX that are 35 years old. | Feb 05 00:58 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: and they're only doing that because free software has embarrassed them so badly | Feb 05 00:58 |
Guest55826 | You know: The guy learns how to format C: and to install a pirate copy of M$ Office, and titles himself a computer technician | Feb 05 00:58 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: +1 | Feb 05 00:58 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: the tyranny of low expectations. | Feb 05 00:58 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: people think Windows is "normal" | Feb 05 00:59 |
Guest55826 | And so, those hacks give us a bad name | Feb 05 00:59 |
cubezzz | I'm installing tons of Fedora on laptops | Feb 05 00:59 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: :) | Feb 05 00:59 |
cubezzz | people are starting to warm up to it | Feb 05 00:59 |
Guest55826 | E então, esses vigaristas mancham o bom nome do resto... | Feb 05 00:59 |
_Goblin | Im a Fedora user.... | Feb 05 00:59 |
_Goblin | very decent distro. | Feb 05 00:59 |
Guest55826 | E mesmo trabalhando com Linux, com o coração apertado, eu vejo a porcaria que tudo se tornou | Feb 05 01:00 |
cubezzz | I started with Darkstar actually :) | Feb 05 01:00 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: You reminded me of that Saturday Night Live skit, "Lowered Expectations", the dating service for people who have given up and will take anything | Feb 05 01:00 |
DaemonFC | :D | Feb 05 01:00 |
cubezzz | ...and you still use doze :) | Feb 05 01:01 |
Guest55826 | And even working with Linux i watch the mud everything went to... | Feb 05 01:01 |
Guest55826 | Well, gentlemen, i enjoyed this time with you | Feb 05 01:02 |
Guest55826 | But, got to go now | Feb 05 01:02 |
cubezzz | I'd say bankers have the worse rep :) | Feb 05 01:02 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: tchau | Feb 05 01:02 |
FurnaceBoy | Guest55826: ate a proxima | Feb 05 01:03 |
Guest55826 | Inté | Feb 05 01:03 |
Guest55826 | Se falamos | Feb 05 01:03 |
Guest55826 | Eu vou aparecer com mais frequencia | Feb 05 01:03 |
FurnaceBoy | legal. | Feb 05 01:03 |
Guest55826 | Cool | Feb 05 01:03 |
Guest55826 | :-D | Feb 05 01:03 |
Guest55826 | Good night to every1 | Feb 05 01:03 |
Guest55826 | Bye | Feb 05 01:03 |
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schestowitz | [01:00] <cubezzz> I started with Darkstar actually :) | Feb 05 01:03 |
schestowitz | Now renamed IIRC | Feb 05 01:03 |
schestowitz | ANd no more Che wallpaper | Feb 05 01:04 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: http://emailsfromcrazypeople.com/2010/01/26/crazy-emails-2016 | Feb 05 01:04 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Emails From Crazy People » Hes Got it All .::. Size~: 230.94 KB | Feb 05 01:04 |
cubezzz | "Dick Brass was a vice president at Microsoft from 1997 to 2004" | Feb 05 01:04 |
cubezzz | there you go | Feb 05 01:04 |
cubezzz | and even he thinks Microsoft is slipping badly | Feb 05 01:05 |
FurnaceBoy | but it was inevitable. | Feb 05 01:05 |
cubezzz | yeah the world's over-saturated with Microsoft crap :) | Feb 05 01:05 |
FurnaceBoy | i can't believe a high level insider could be surprised | Feb 05 01:05 |
FurnaceBoy | they're deliberately pretending ignorance | Feb 05 01:06 |
schestowitz | Photo frames are now inspected by FCC??????? http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/ipad-still-awaits-fcc-approval/?cs=39152 | Feb 05 01:06 |
FurnaceBoy | to prolong the bubble | Feb 05 01:06 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: iPad Still Awaits FCC Approval | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 79.85 KB | Feb 05 01:06 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: they still need to check factsz] | Feb 05 01:06 |
schestowitz | They print nonsense | Feb 05 01:06 |
schestowitz | Not the first | Feb 05 01:06 |
schestowitz | BN has other examples like this | Feb 05 01:06 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/07/microsoft-revisionists-nyt/ | Feb 05 01:07 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: The New York Times, Hosted by Microsoft Revisionists | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 107.35 KB | Feb 05 01:07 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/26/gates-nyt-wunderkind/ | Feb 05 01:07 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Rich Uncle Bill Comes to Visit the New York Times | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 102.85 KB | Feb 05 01:07 |
schestowitz | He didn't go to the NYT for the toffees :-) | Feb 05 01:08 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/03/google_bloggers_ends_ftp/ | Feb 05 01:09 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google calls time on Blogger FTP • The Register .::. Size~: 23.44 KB | Feb 05 01:09 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: good work. | Feb 05 01:09 |
schestowitz | This man was a businessman by training, since childhood | Feb 05 01:09 |
schestowitz | It's PR tours | Feb 05 01:09 |
schestowitz | "I thanked Rose for all of his trips to Seattle and his willingness to distract a lot of time for the lawsuit." --Bill Gates | Feb 05 01:10 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/03/uk_election_law/ | Feb 05 01:11 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Think Aussie election rules are draconian? Look at the UK's • The Register .::. Size~: 23.38 KB | Feb 05 01:11 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/03/shepard_fairey_grandjury/ "Artist Shepard Fairey is facing a Grand Jury probe for falsifying evidence in a copyright case. Fairey was suing Associated Press over the use of an copyright image Fairey had used as the basis for a popular Obama election poster." | Feb 05 01:11 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Obama plagiarist has a legal posse • The Register .::. Size~: 21.27 KB | Feb 05 01:11 |
schestowitz | Andrew Orlowski is a pro-monopoly troll, since forever | Feb 05 01:11 |
schestowitz | "Another of Sun Microsystem's almost-practical projects for Java has been shuttered now that Oracle holds the purse strings. Project Darkstar, an open-source application server catered specifically for massively multiplayer online games, will no longer receive Snoracle funding." | Feb 05 01:12 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/04/oracle_lights_out_for_project_darkstar/ | Feb 05 01:12 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Oracle: destroyer of virtual worlds • The Register .::. Size~: 23.61 KB | Feb 05 01:12 |
schestowitz | They could keep it going.. | Feb 05 01:13 |
schestowitz | But only if all the characters were Ellisons | Feb 05 01:13 |
schestowitz | Like Malkobvich | Feb 05 01:13 |
schestowitz | Thew Register is still filled with FOSS-hostile moles... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/04/mpeg_la_h_264_codec_licence/ | Feb 05 01:16 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: H.264 video codec stays royalty-free for HTML5 testers • The Register .::. Size~: 23.54 KB | Feb 05 01:16 |
schestowitz | Kelly and Gavin are the lead Microsoft moles | Feb 05 01:16 |
schestowitz | Note the start | Feb 05 01:16 |
schestowitz | "Freetards" | Feb 05 01:16 |
schestowitz | Infighting in binaryLand(R) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/04/adobe_responds_to_apple/ | Feb 05 01:18 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Adobe to Jobs: 'What the Flash do you know?' • The Register .::. Size~: 27.39 KB | Feb 05 01:18 |
Aondo | and "which Mozilla recently bitched about," | Feb 05 01:21 |
Aondo | :P | Feb 05 01:21 |
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FurnaceBoy | oh boy. Mundie calls for "internet driver's license" | Feb 05 01:25 |
FurnaceBoy | well, microsoft products aren't suitable to be connected to the public internet, so taht's a risky direction... | Feb 05 01:25 |
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DaemonFC | "He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue." | Feb 05 01:36 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 05 01:36 |
FurnaceBoy | Sean Connery, The Untouchables? | Feb 05 01:37 |
DaemonFC | yep | Feb 05 01:37 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 05 01:37 |
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tessier | "I'll take anal bum cover for $500, Alex!" | Feb 05 01:40 |
schestowitz | Must be a PITA | Feb 05 01:46 |
schestowitz | *LOL*: http://openattitude.com/2010/02/03/whats-up-with-the-symbian-foundation/ | Feb 05 01:52 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Whats up with the Symbian Foundation? | Open attitude. .::. Size~: 30.79 KB | Feb 05 01:52 |
schestowitz | Looks like the jetpack if humping the cow | Feb 05 01:52 |
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FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/status/8656593216 | Feb 05 01:56 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Twitter / Joseph Tartakoff: @qu1j0t3 Pandering? .::. Size~: 10.21 KB | Feb 05 01:56 |
*FurnaceBoy sighs | Feb 05 01:56 | |
schestowitz | what did you tell him? | Feb 05 02:00 |
DaemonFC | hmmmm, World Of Goo does not work on newer Linux distributions without a patch | Feb 05 02:00 |
schestowitz | btw, he mailed me before | Feb 05 02:00 |
schestowitz | he reads BN | Feb 05 02:00 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/8654662480 | Feb 05 02:01 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Twitter / Toby Thain: RT @josephtartakoff Harsh ... .::. Size~: 10.6 KB | Feb 05 02:01 |
schestowitz | Haaaaaaa.... | Feb 05 02:01 |
schestowitz | Just explain the article is chock full of revisoonism | Feb 05 02:01 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no, anyone who can defend the phrase, "At worst, accidental monopolist," is living in a different universe. | Feb 05 02:02 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: beyond help | Feb 05 02:02 |
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sebsebseb | Well this could be worth trying | Feb 05 02:07 |
sebsebseb | http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/Ultimate-Debian-LiveCD-i686-54010.shtml | Feb 05 02:07 |
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sebsebseb | http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Ultimate-Debian-LiveCD-i686-Screenshot-54010.html | Feb 05 02:08 |
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schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: accidental like in the tortoise and the scorpion | Feb 05 02:24 |
schestowitz | http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2010/01/its-their-nature.html | Feb 05 02:24 |
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FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's astonishing chutzpah to lie like that | Feb 05 02:24 |
schestowitz | "I could not help myself. It is my nature." | Feb 05 02:24 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: setting something up | Feb 05 02:24 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the next stage is to deny any monopoly at all | Feb 05 02:24 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and anyone who tries to suggest it is a shrill anti-business hater | Feb 05 02:25 |
schestowitz | Let alone abuse | Feb 05 02:25 |
schestowitz | I saw that before | Feb 05 02:25 |
schestowitz | PR job well done | Feb 05 02:25 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right | Feb 05 02:25 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "they hate us for our success" | Feb 05 02:25 |
schestowitz | Bill Gates as saviour of Earth | Feb 05 02:25 |
schestowitz | Call David Irving | Feb 05 02:25 |
schestowitz | Maybe he can do for Gates what he's doing for Hitler | Feb 05 02:25 |
FurnaceBoy | yes. the epitome of the american dream; an American son; Normal Rockwell; Ayn Rand; Carnegie; Rockefeller; ... | Feb 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: no | Feb 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | the common one is: | Feb 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | "he's just jealous of Gates" | Feb 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | And it's repeated a lot | Feb 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | Don't like Gates -> Jealous | Feb 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | Don't like the US -> they envy McDonalds | Feb 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | It's defenses of sorts | Feb 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | Trivilaising criticism | Feb 05 02:26 |
schestowitz | Opposes Gaza attacks => anti-Semite | Feb 05 02:27 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft is often unfairly criticized, says former vice president Dick Brass," | Feb 05 02:30 |
schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/04/microsoft-exec-sabot.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29 | Feb 05 02:30 |
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schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/04/dont-be-evil-meet-sp.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29 | Feb 05 02:31 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: 'Don't Be Evil,' Meet 'Spy on Everyone': How the NSA Deal Could Kill Google Boing Boing .::. Size~: 47.01 KB | Feb 05 02:31 |
schestowitz | http://mediactive.com/2010/02/02/the-future-of-journalism-education/ | Feb 05 02:32 |
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FurnaceBoy | yes, trivialising. | Feb 05 02:40 |
FurnaceBoy | but the sick part is... half of those who react with this misdirective nonsense actually believe tropes such as "they hate us for our freedoms". | Feb 05 02:41 |
FurnaceBoy | it's tragic. | Feb 05 02:41 |
FurnaceBoy | yes, i hate you for your travel bans, warrantless wiretaps, out-of-control border guards, corporate hegemony... truly ye live in paradise | Feb 05 02:42 |
schestowitz | iCult Mac Store http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBfSHcaMO4 | Feb 05 02:44 |
schestowitz | MinceR will like it | Feb 05 02:44 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: one man's freedom can be an illusion | Feb 05 02:45 |
schestowitz | In the US, you hardly have the freedom to speak to strangers | Feb 05 02:45 |
FurnaceBoy | i know. | Feb 05 02:45 |
schestowitz | AFAIK, It's different in other countries | Feb 05 02:45 |
sebsebseb | Good article http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Software/11309.html | Feb 05 02:45 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes it is . | Feb 05 02:45 |
schestowitz | Cages society | Feb 05 02:45 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux is not hard, it's ignored .::. Size~: 36.27 KB | Feb 05 02:45 |
schestowitz | *Caged | Feb 05 02:45 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: here for instance. people are not afraid of strangers. | Feb 05 02:45 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I have many anecdotes from the USA. they are terrified of strangers. | Feb 05 02:45 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: 24/7 film/tv bombardment does it | Feb 05 02:46 |
schestowitz | You should be afraid of cancerus things and cars | Feb 05 02:46 |
schestowitz | Not people | Feb 05 02:46 |
schestowitz | People hardly kill one another | Feb 05 02:46 |
schestowitz | Unless they are inside an automobile | Feb 05 02:46 |
schestowitz | Or use their cellphone next to someone else's brain | Feb 05 02:46 |
schestowitz | :-p | Feb 05 02:46 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: well, people react to their environment as they see in films | Feb 05 02:47 |
schestowitz | More so than learnt from parents | Feb 05 02:47 |
schestowitz | Now we have televisionb | Feb 05 02:47 |
schestowitz | Good indoctrination tool | Feb 05 02:47 |
schestowitz | It shows people how to be "normal" | Feb 05 02:47 |
schestowitz | "Don't speak to people in the streets, unless you ask for direction, which would still be strange" | Feb 05 02:47 |
schestowitz | "Trust nobody" | Feb 05 02:47 |
schestowitz | "Don't tell the opposite sex you like him/her" | Feb 05 02:48 |
schestowitz | "[cause to be an arse and play hard to get is sssssssoooooo much more socially apt..]" | Feb 05 02:48 |
FurnaceBoy | film and tv supplies the world they are too afraid to try in person | Feb 05 02:49 |
FurnaceBoy | it's entirely false | Feb 05 02:49 |
FurnaceBoy | it's astonishing, the perfection of the self-imprisonment. | Feb 05 02:49 |
FurnaceBoy | hermetic | Feb 05 02:49 |
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schestowitz | This is also funny... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaE0uathXJA | Feb 05 02:56 |
schestowitz | Related to the above discussion | Feb 05 02:56 |
schestowitz | You'd see why | Feb 05 02:56 |
*FurnaceBoy checks | Feb 05 02:57 | |
sebsebseb | http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2010012200135NWEM | Feb 05 03:01 |
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sebsebseb | interesting comments | Feb 05 03:01 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: HAHA | Feb 05 03:02 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's GREAT | Feb 05 03:02 |
sebsebseb | oh yeah and nice one Sweeds I guess | Feb 05 03:03 |
sebsebseb | and no one here right now seems to care about the link I been giving out, but oh well I guess | Feb 05 03:03 |
sebsebseb | links above | Feb 05 03:03 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I heard about that case | Feb 05 03:03 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: insane | Feb 05 03:03 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: this is the most awesome youtube video i have seen for some time. thanks. | Feb 05 03:07 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Ed Catmull is such a nice guy. Frank insights from #Pixar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2h2lvhzMDc #business #success #failure | Feb 05 03:17 | |
DaemonFC | Would anyone know why my games are sounding grainy in Mandriva? | Feb 05 03:17 |
DaemonFC | per chance | Feb 05 03:17 |
DaemonFC | think "tin can in a garbage disposal" | Feb 05 03:18 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Success hides problems..When u're healthy & u've got the resources, u don't *need* to address the problems" metaphor for 1st World; Catmull | Feb 05 03:21 | |
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schestowitz | sebsebseb: i saW IT BEFORE (oops, caps) | Feb 05 03:33 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: which? | Feb 05 03:33 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: sunscribe to this dude | Feb 05 03:33 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: both | Feb 05 03:34 |
schestowitz | Linux Today is slow | Feb 05 03:34 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@tycond @qu1j0t3 Use Covert Hypnosis in your Business // no, i think twitter spam is the more sustainable concept, thankyou! | Feb 05 03:37 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "If you have a good idea and you give it to a mediocre group, they'll screw it up" Catmull 22:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2h2lvhzMDc | Feb 05 03:39 | |
DaemonFC | isn't it easier to fix the caps than to point out you typed them? :) | Feb 05 03:39 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "If you give a mediocre idea to a good group, they'll fix it." Catmull 22:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2h2lvhzMDc | Feb 05 03:40 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "They should be re-making BAD #movies." Catmull 25:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2h2lvhzMDc #pixar | Feb 05 03:45 | |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: NO, WHAT KIND OF IDIOT ARE YOU? | Feb 05 03:46 |
*FurnaceBoy feels better already | Feb 05 03:47 | |
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DaemonFC | :P | Feb 05 03:49 |
DaemonFC | that'll be $280 please | Feb 05 03:49 |
FurnaceBoy | right | Feb 05 03:49 |
FurnaceBoy | come and get it | Feb 05 03:49 |
*FurnaceBoy has plenty of better things to spend $280 on. | Feb 05 03:50 | |
FurnaceBoy | like... dinner for two. | Feb 05 03:50 |
DaemonFC | she went for the lobster? | Feb 05 03:50 |
FurnaceBoy | hehe | Feb 05 03:50 |
DaemonFC | damn, you better be getting something for that | Feb 05 03:50 |
DaemonFC | :D | Feb 05 03:50 |
FurnaceBoy | yes. ordinarily a really good dinner for two here would be $80-$100 | Feb 05 03:50 |
FurnaceBoy | never spent $280 | Feb 05 03:50 |
FurnaceBoy | but man, tempting. | Feb 05 03:50 |
DaemonFC | yeah, you can pay whatever you want for whatever they can convince you to pay it for | Feb 05 03:51 |
DaemonFC | I have some beach front property in Oklahoma for the people that bought Vista Ultimate | Feb 05 03:51 |
FurnaceBoy | yes. | Feb 05 03:51 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you have cracked the Gates Code | Feb 05 03:52 |
cubezzz | Vista Ultimate! ooooooooo | Feb 05 03:52 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: congratulations | Feb 05 03:52 |
cubezzz | I'll try and hold myself back :) | Feb 05 03:52 |
DaemonFC | it's like Vista, only more Ultimate* | Feb 05 03:52 |
DaemonFC | *(3 crappy extras and then fuck you, we're out of here!) | Feb 05 03:52 |
cubezzz | how much was win95 when it first came out? | Feb 05 03:54 |
cubezzz | I assume the doze prices have gone up since then | Feb 05 03:55 |
DaemonFC | not really, no | Feb 05 03:55 |
DaemonFC | if you take inflation into account, they've gone down | Feb 05 03:55 |
FurnaceBoy | well ain't that great | Feb 05 03:55 |
DaemonFC | assuming you map Windows 7 Home Premium to Windows 95 | Feb 05 03:55 |
DaemonFC | I think Windows 95 was $209 but the upgrade was $99 | Feb 05 03:57 |
DaemonFC | I'm not totally for sure on the retail one though | Feb 05 03:57 |
DaemonFC | the upgrade would install without a previous version of Windows on the system though | Feb 05 03:57 |
DaemonFC | it still will | Feb 05 03:58 |
DaemonFC | the problem with the upgrade is the same problem with the OEM version, Microsoft will never reactivate it on another PC | Feb 05 03:58 |
cubezzz | heh | Feb 05 03:59 |
cubezzz | FurnaceBoy is not impressed | Feb 05 03:59 |
FurnaceBoy | "I do believe that human organizations are inherently unstable. They will fall over. And we have to work to keep them upright. But they fall slowly. Most people don't notice." -- Ed Catmull | Feb 05 03:59 |
cubezzz | which civilization lasted the longest? | Feb 05 04:00 |
FurnaceBoy | "The curse is on the people who don't listen." -- Catmull | Feb 05 04:00 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Windows 95 upgrade was $99, Windows 7 Home Premium upgrade is $129. But $129 in 2010 dollars is something like $90 in 1995 | Feb 05 04:00 |
FurnaceBoy | means nothing to me. | Feb 05 04:00 |
FurnaceBoy | not a part of my world | Feb 05 04:00 |
DaemonFC | so the Windows 7 upgrade is effectively $10 cheaper than Windows 95 :) | Feb 05 04:00 |
FurnaceBoy | i have other things to spend money on | Feb 05 04:01 |
DaemonFC | but it's $10 cheaper | Feb 05 04:01 |
cubezzz | like $280 seafood dinners :) | Feb 05 04:01 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: i never did that ;-) | Feb 05 04:01 |
DaemonFC | you can go to McDonalds and get lunch on the way back from buying Windows 7 | Feb 05 04:01 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: but i like the fantasy | Feb 05 04:01 |
DaemonFC | or maybe get 3.5 gallons of gas | Feb 05 04:01 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: the easiest way to burn $200 is on alcohol. you get top notch food here cheap. | Feb 05 04:01 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i don't drive. I can get anywhere for $3 | Feb 05 04:01 |
cubezzz | I assume you did use doze at one time though? | Feb 05 04:02 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: of course not. | Feb 05 04:02 |
cubezzz | never? | Feb 05 04:02 |
FurnaceBoy | never. | Feb 05 04:02 |
cubezzz | impressive | Feb 05 04:02 |
FurnaceBoy | easy | Feb 05 04:02 |
DaemonFC | given a week or maybe a month | Feb 05 04:02 |
cubezzz | I wish I could say the same | Feb 05 04:02 |
DaemonFC | don't you have to eat and sleep? | Feb 05 04:02 |
DaemonFC | your body requires refueling and that's not cheap :D | Feb 05 04:03 |
cubezzz | he uses nodoze :) | Feb 05 04:03 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: caffeine :) | Feb 05 04:03 |
DaemonFC | reminds me of when I worked at Walmart and the cashier thought this old woman was asking where the vibrators and dildos where | Feb 05 04:03 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right. food is a major cost centre in this household. | Feb 05 04:03 |
DaemonFC | turned out she wanted Vivarin and No-Doz | Feb 05 04:03 |
cubezzz | there's a pill.... yeah | Feb 05 04:04 |
cubezzz | no-doz :) | Feb 05 04:04 |
cubezzz | close enough | Feb 05 04:04 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: i am sure there is, but i find it's more fun to just drink espresso :) | Feb 05 04:04 |
cubezzz | I drink a lot of tea | Feb 05 04:05 |
cubezzz | http://www.shopinprivate.com/nodpilnodoz6.html | Feb 05 04:06 |
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cubezzz | maximum strength :) | Feb 05 04:06 |
cubezzz | I know a couple of guys from academia who never used doze | Feb 05 04:07 |
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schestowitz | [03:39] <DaemonFC> isn't it easier to fix the caps than to point out you typed them? :) | Feb 05 04:12 |
schestowitz | Not while you eat :-) | Feb 05 04:12 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you insensitive clod! | Feb 05 04:12 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: I've worked in doze-free businesses. | Feb 05 04:12 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: most of my career | Feb 05 04:12 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: and I have no inclination to change that | Feb 05 04:13 |
schestowitz | gn | Feb 05 04:13 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: nite | Feb 05 04:13 |
cubezzz | nite schestowitz | Feb 05 04:13 |
DaemonFC | OK, so notes for anyone with an AMD/ATI setup trying to install Mandriva 2010, turn off glitch free pulseaudio and speedboot otherwise your FGLRX driver won't load and your games that use SDL will sound like a tin can going through a garbage disposal | Feb 05 04:14 |
DaemonFC | bearing that in mind, it does work once you do that | Feb 05 04:14 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i thought fglrx was dead. | Feb 05 04:14 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it doesn't even support my R500 series card now. | Feb 05 04:14 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Not as dead as it should be | Feb 05 04:15 |
FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 05 04:15 |
DaemonFC | they're still doing monthly releases where they fix 4-5 bugs that I'm not experiencing, don't add X Server 1.7 support, and leave me waiting another month | Feb 05 04:15 |
DaemonFC | by the time they support X Server 1.7, 1.8 will be out | Feb 05 04:15 |
DaemonFC | the open source driver is not coming along so quickly | Feb 05 04:16 |
DaemonFC | too much texture corruption for games to be playable, Compiz is a little smoother though | Feb 05 04:17 |
Diablo-D3 | erm | Feb 05 04:17 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: apart from just not supporting my hardware, the open source driver gave me DRI and solved a lot of my performance issues in xorg | Feb 05 04:17 |
Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: r500 you sure? | Feb 05 04:17 |
FurnaceBoy | ouips | Feb 05 04:17 |
FurnaceBoy | apart from fglrx not supporting my hardwaree* | Feb 05 04:17 |
FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: yes, current fglrx doesn't support it. | Feb 05 04:17 |
Diablo-D3 | thats xX00 through x1X00 isnt it? | Feb 05 04:18 |
FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: i guess so, my specific model is X1650 Pro | Feb 05 04:18 |
Diablo-D3 | I didnt know that | Feb 05 04:18 |
Diablo-D3 | I thought they only discontinued r300/400 recently | Feb 05 04:18 |
FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: I was surprised, but... that's what I found out. | Feb 05 04:18 |
DaemonFC | r780 support in the open source driver sucks | Feb 05 04:18 |
Diablo-D3 | r300/400 is 100% supported under DRI _except_ for shaders | Feb 05 04:18 |
DaemonFC | actually I think Mesa/Gallium3d is a lot of the problem | Feb 05 04:19 |
FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: I could not get anything with fglrx on this card. | Feb 05 04:19 |
FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: later i found out they abandoned R500. | Feb 05 04:19 |
DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: What is it with ATI cards, Linux, and shaders? | Feb 05 04:19 |
FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: which is pretty poor, it's only a 2007 model | Feb 05 04:19 |
oiaohm | Gallium3d is required for shaders | Feb 05 04:19 |
DaemonFC | no matter what driver you're using, you have shader problems | Feb 05 04:19 |
DaemonFC | you just don't hit those with FGLRX until you play some games in Wine | Feb 05 04:20 |
oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: What is happening to flgrx is following road map to the letter. | Feb 05 04:20 |
oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: one day flgrx will cease to exist and that is the plan. | Feb 05 04:20 |
FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: right, i think you told me that before. well, that's fine, i've moved to oss driver | Feb 05 04:21 |
oiaohm | The drop of R500 is more presure to increase development on the open source drivers. | Feb 05 04:21 |
FurnaceBoy | it certainly will push the user base :) | Feb 05 04:21 |
oiaohm | AMD did state that plan when they started going OSS driver. | Feb 05 04:22 |
oiaohm | R500 other than shaders the OSS driver out performed the old FGLRX | Feb 05 04:22 |
*cubezzz just wants fast video with no binary blobs | Feb 05 04:23 | |
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oiaohm | cubezzz: just there is no fast way to get there. | Feb 05 04:23 |
cubezzz | :-/ | Feb 05 04:24 |
oiaohm | Graphics stacks are stacks. | Feb 05 04:24 |
oiaohm | You have to build each level before you can build the next. | Feb 05 04:25 |
oiaohm | That is part of the reason why the OSS ATI driver is takening so long. | Feb 05 04:25 |
oiaohm | Is not something that works that great is pure parell development until the stack is formed. | Feb 05 04:25 |
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cubezzz | isn't there some old card that is understood 100%? | Feb 05 04:25 |
oiaohm | R100 and R200 no shaders. cubezzz | Feb 05 04:26 |
oiaohm | Ie the card does not support it. | Feb 05 04:26 |
cubezzz | ok | Feb 05 04:26 |
cubezzz | how old are those? | Feb 05 04:26 |
oiaohm | Is not just how old they are. Sections of the R100 and R200 cards source code is even still need by evergreen | Feb 05 04:27 |
oiaohm | Reason why I said they are stacks. Each card is a improvement on the older ones cubezzz | Feb 05 04:27 |
oiaohm | R300-R500 are the same basic shader system cubezzz | Feb 05 04:30 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: RT: @charlesmok US Police want backdoor to Web users' private data http://ping.fm/RoMxJ #netfreedom | Feb 05 04:30 | |
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cubezzz | well, I'm assuming there was a point where the drivers were simple | Feb 05 04:30 |
oiaohm | R600-evergreen are basically the same shader system. | Feb 05 04:30 |
oiaohm | Its going to come in large chunks. | Feb 05 04:31 |
cubezzz | e.g. if we go back to ega or something really old | Feb 05 04:31 |
cubezzz | then there was some point where it got so complex that no FOSS driver existed | Feb 05 04:31 |
oiaohm | R100 and R200 have had open source drivers for a very long time. | Feb 05 04:32 |
oiaohm | They are basically before ATI got nasty about giving people information. | Feb 05 04:32 |
cubezzz | ok, I think I'll buy a R200 then | Feb 05 04:33 |
oiaohm | 8500 - 9200 << R200 are those cards | Feb 05 04:33 |
cubezzz | so I can build a 100% FOSS system | Feb 05 04:33 |
oiaohm | R100 are 7000 | Feb 05 04:33 |
oiaohm | But if you get something up in the R500 range you will have more function that what a R200 will give you with the open source drivers. | Feb 05 04:34 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @aashiks: Microsoft's creative destruction : http://is.gd/7JpML | Feb 05 04:34 | |
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oiaohm | Even that its not fully able to use everything yet. cubezzz | Feb 05 04:34 |
oiaohm | http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature Like they have started work on video decoding accelerations for the R300-R500 that the old closed source driver never provided. | Feb 05 04:36 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Missing fossmeet this year RT @jainbasil: Going 2 Calicut 2day, for #fossmeet @ NITC. Hope 2 meet @hfactor, @pradeepto, @sujithh and more :) | Feb 05 04:36 | |
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oiaohm | Most people today forget the times of dos and the like if you did not release specs people did not use your devices. | Feb 05 04:41 |
oiaohm | Or were not in the computer world at that time. | Feb 05 04:41 |
cubezzz | my rememberance is that companies used to always give programming specs | Feb 05 04:42 |
cubezzz | e.g. in the 80s | Feb 05 04:42 |
oiaohm | The end of that was Windows 95 | Feb 05 04:42 |
cubezzz | indeed | Feb 05 04:42 |
oiaohm | We are now seeing the tide starting to turn against being closed spec. | Feb 05 04:43 |
cubezzz | I still remember those horrible winmodems | Feb 05 04:43 |
oiaohm | If you go back to some of the early mainframes in the 70~s and the war times closed specs in the time. | Feb 05 04:43 |
oiaohm | I still have to deal with horrible winmodems. | Feb 05 04:44 |
oiaohm | It seams to be a 10 to 20 year cycle. | Feb 05 04:44 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz: Regarding Winmodems, some of these wireless chipsets still aren't far off from that | Feb 05 04:57 |
DaemonFC | but at least that's improving, especially with the open source broadcom firmware | Feb 05 04:57 |
cubezzz | yeah it's creeping in again | Feb 05 04:57 |
cubezzz | Halloween docs come to mind | Feb 05 04:57 |
DaemonFC | well, Ralink, Intel, and most Broadcom should just work, most newer Atheros should just work | Feb 05 04:57 |
DaemonFC | but there's still some bad ones out there, and it's hard to tell what you're buying exactly | Feb 05 04:58 |
oiaohm | Most of the wireless chipsets makers have changed mind over closed source. | Feb 05 04:58 |
DaemonFC | I think the Broadcoms that work now without the proprietary firmware are reverse engineered | Feb 05 04:58 |
DaemonFC | but who cares, they work | Feb 05 04:59 |
oiaohm | With the failure rate of wireless encryption it has not been good. | Feb 05 04:59 |
*DaemonFC wonders if his Netgear WPN111 works now | Feb 05 04:59 | |
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cubezzz | I think wireless should be avoid if possible | Feb 05 04:59 |
oiaohm | Broadcom has stated on the firmware they will not assist but they will not attack either. | Feb 05 04:59 |
DaemonFC | so basically, what Nvidia told Nouveau | Feb 05 05:00 |
DaemonFC | Nvidia probably knows that Nouveau is spinning their wheels and will never keep up with them anyway | Feb 05 05:01 |
oiaohm | Broadcom is assisting on the code above the firmwar | Feb 05 05:01 |
oiaohm | e | Feb 05 05:01 |
DaemonFC | they're not expecting Nouveau to come to fruition or they'd already be litigating | Feb 05 05:01 |
oiaohm | where Nvidia is not. | Feb 05 05:01 |
DaemonFC | so Broadcom probably doesn't own the rights to their own firmware | Feb 05 05:01 |
DaemonFC | worried that they'll be sued if they help with the firmware? | Feb 05 05:02 |
oiaohm | By Broadcom not assisting in the firmware they cannot end up on the wrong side country restrctions. | Feb 05 05:02 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: I think it's a stupid business practice to license stuff out to using in your own driver for your own hardware | Feb 05 05:02 |
DaemonFC | that's me though | Feb 05 05:02 |
DaemonFC | *to use | Feb 05 05:02 |
oiaohm | Ie they own the rights but regulators radio and open source don't mix too well yet. DaemonFC | Feb 05 05:02 |
DaemonFC | oh, so they're afraid they'll piss off the FCC or something? | Feb 05 05:03 |
oiaohm | Yep FCC and others. DaemonFC | Feb 05 05:03 |
DaemonFC | I'd just slip the specs "under the table" to someone involved in the open firmware | Feb 05 05:03 |
DaemonFC | deny doing it if anyone asks | Feb 05 05:03 |
DaemonFC | just real unofficially, you know? | Feb 05 05:03 |
oiaohm | Thinking they have permited reversing. | Feb 05 05:04 |
cubezzz | you can't stop reversing | Feb 05 05:04 |
oiaohm | With the the details above. | Feb 05 05:04 |
cubezzz | if someone is very determined... | Feb 05 05:04 |
oiaohm | Its a lot simpler process. | Feb 05 05:04 |
oiaohm | You can lock spec sheets from being allow to be used to assist with reversing. cubezzz | Feb 05 05:05 |
cubezzz | yes | Feb 05 05:05 |
cubezzz | they can make it harder, but not impossible | Feb 05 05:05 |
oiaohm | Broadcom is not locking any information they are releasing. | Feb 05 05:05 |
oiaohm | Ie any information they can release without risking upseting FCC and others. | Feb 05 05:05 |
oiaohm | The legal mine fields of making drivers. | Feb 05 05:06 |
DaemonFC | I'd like it if they'd just put the FCC back in their place | Feb 05 05:06 |
oiaohm | Good part is closed source broadcom firmware and open source broadcom firmware might end up just interchanable. | Feb 05 05:06 |
DaemonFC | they've become so bloated and are asserting power over things they don't even technically regulate | Feb 05 05:07 |
oiaohm | Problem is broadcom radio freq usage is set by the firmware. | Feb 05 05:07 |
oiaohm | Smart design embed that on the card not have it loaded by a OS. | Feb 05 05:08 |
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oiaohm | Ie broadcom truly does have a legal problem caused by there design. DaemonFC | Feb 05 05:09 |
oiaohm | Nvidia is just being a pain. | Feb 05 05:10 |
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kecskebak | One for schestowitz | Feb 05 05:34 |
kecskebak | Guido Fawkes (blogger Paul Staines) is going through the room bookings at the Houses of Parliament | Feb 05 05:35 |
kecskebak | http://order-order.com/2010/02/04/members-room-bookings-live/ű | Feb 05 05:35 |
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kecskebak | Sorry about the ű | Feb 05 05:35 |
kecskebak | "Andrew Miller held a reception for Microsoft after receiving a paid-for trip to Berlin by them. (Jun ‘08)" | Feb 05 05:35 |
kecskebak | I'll keep an eye on what Guido discovers | Feb 05 05:36 |
kecskebak | ttfn | Feb 05 05:36 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Argh - what a day. The only thing I did was confirm that #7 was second school on the site, first one burned. Arson? Log Cabin, so possible. | Feb 05 05:43 | |
DaemonFC | my mom just called, someone is knocking on her door and it has her scared | Feb 05 05:45 |
DaemonFC | I guess I'll grab my gun and go down there | Feb 05 05:45 |
DaemonFC | ok, now that was interesting | Feb 05 05:53 |
DaemonFC | one of the neighbors that moved out last week was trying to break in | Feb 05 05:53 |
cubezzz | did you shoot any bad guys? :) | Feb 05 05:53 |
DaemonFC | I held him there until the police arrives, they were only about a minute behind me | Feb 05 05:53 |
DaemonFC | she only lives like a block away | Feb 05 05:54 |
DaemonFC | well, I wasn't expecting that :P | Feb 05 05:55 |
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DaemonFC | oiaohm: Defective By Design emails go to Junk in Hotmail | Feb 05 07:25 |
oiaohm | Now why would that be supprising. | Feb 05 07:29 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/opinion/04brass.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=all | Feb 05 07:38 |
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DaemonFC | heh | Feb 05 07:38 |
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schestowitz | Evil Celebrities http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3XZb02g0TM | Feb 05 09:02 |
schestowitz | Hmmm..... | Feb 05 09:31 |
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tessier___ | Problem | Feb 05 09:36 |
tessier___ | ? | Feb 05 09:36 |
schestowitz | Sort of | Feb 05 09:36 |
schestowitz | The server was not accessible for a while | Feb 05 09:36 |
schestowitz | Now it suddenly works, but there is a wiki issue | Feb 05 09:36 |
tessier___ | I noticed some weirdness also and just restarted http but it does not seem to have helped with the wiki issue. | Feb 05 09:37 |
schestowitz | For a while the server was no reachable, like 5 minutes ago | Feb 05 09:37 |
tessier___ | Everything is fine with the network and the server itself. I think php or httpd or something must have had a problem. Were you unable to ssh in also? | Feb 05 09:38 |
schestowitz | "The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading." | Feb 05 09:38 |
schestowitz | That happened when I saved the wiki page sgain | Feb 05 09:38 |
tessier___ | hmm... | Feb 05 09:39 |
schestowitz | Just now... | Feb 05 09:39 |
tessier___ | I just restarted the proxy and now the wiki seems to work. Weird... | Feb 05 09:39 |
schestowitz | And now it works | Feb 05 09:39 |
tessier___ | But the other sites that go through the proxy had no problem at all... | Feb 05 09:39 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Feb 05 09:40 |
tessier___ | I'll take a look at the logs. Seems ok now though. | Feb 05 09:40 |
schestowitz | It seems sporadic | Feb 05 09:40 |
schestowitz | There was server activity while I was still trying to access | Feb 05 09:40 |
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schestowitz | Now it works OK | Feb 05 09:41 |
schestowitz | I hadn't changed anything | Feb 05 09:41 |
schestowitz | :-) | Feb 05 09:41 |
tessier___ | Indeed. I think the proxy experienced some sort of confusion. | Feb 05 09:41 |
schestowitz | :-) | Feb 05 09:42 |
schestowitz | Likely.... I mean, that woule explain a 'peripheral' issue | Feb 05 09:42 |
schestowitz | From the server I could see nothing wrong | Feb 05 09:42 |
schestowitz | And I still don't know what happened | Feb 05 09:42 |
schestowitz | I mean, it works now, but I hardly changed anything | Feb 05 09:42 |
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schestowitz | It seems as though pages were still served, maybe just not the CACHED ones | Feb 05 09:43 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Founder of #Linux (Kernel Space) Makes List of Top Inventors http://ur1.ca/ljdg http://ur1.ca/ljdi | Feb 05 10:38 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Turkey 's National #GNU #Linux (and Interview) http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/weblog/arch_d7_2010_01_30.shtml#e1154 | Feb 05 10:51 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] *stab* *stab* *stab* Verified by VISA. *stab* *stab* *stab* *stab* mockery of a security mechanism. #fb | Feb 05 11:00 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CERN 's #RedHat Derivative Works Perfectly Well, Red Hat CEO Sees Rosy Future http://ur1.ca/ljek http://ur1.ca/ljel | Feb 05 11:01 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian Update in Review, #Canonical CEO Interview http://ur1.ca/ljem http://ur1.ca/ljen | Feb 05 11:02 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #LinuxMint 8 (Helena) at Linux Planet http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/6973/1/ | Feb 05 11:03 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 2 Good Reviews of #Nokia 's #Linux Phone http://ur1.ca/ljf3 http://ur1.ca/lak9 #n900 | Feb 05 11:05 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #ARM Sub-notebooks from #China Run #Linux , ARM Sees GNU/Linux Future http://ur1.ca/ljfc http://ur1.ca/ljfd | Feb 05 11:08 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Tablets Running #GNU #Linux on the Rise http://ur1.ca/lbrp http://ur1.ca/ljfh http://ur1.ca/ljfj | Feb 05 11:09 | |
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oiaohm | If arm could get someone to release a machine arm with a 15 to 21 inch screen. | Feb 05 11:09 |
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oiaohm | I would be happy. | Feb 05 11:09 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: apple is facing the same problem against Linux as they did against Windows. I am supprised they have not worked it out. ie Multi vendors competing against there 1. | Feb 05 11:14 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Bombs and beatings: Life among the Taliban http://tinyurl.com/ye7zg2f | Feb 05 11:14 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Turkish girl, 16, buried alive for talking to boys | World news | guardian.co.uk http://tinyurl.com/ybkyb4p | Feb 05 11:15 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Considering a 3G dongle for internet access for mother. Will test Orange, 3 and Voda dongles after sunday lunch #fb | Feb 05 11:18 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware and Standards Can Reduce Emissions http://ur1.ca/ljfw | Feb 05 11:20 | |
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oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Kernel-Log-Open-source-drivers-for-new-Radeon-graphics-chips-920631.html << Read down schestowitz patents work both ways. | Feb 05 11:21 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK #Museums Start Waking Up to Information Revolution, Make Material Web Accessible http://ur1.ca/ljfx | Feb 05 11:22 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Most Phones Now Run #FreeSoftware http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Symbian-OS-now-completely-open-source-Update-922014.html | Feb 05 11:26 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Made me laugh, "Paul white, known as Lord Hanningfield" sounded like someone being called by their gang name. #expenses #scandal | Feb 05 11:27 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MPEGLA Afraid Enough of Standards and #Ogg to make Promises http://ur1.ca/lgr7 | Feb 05 11:29 | |
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oiaohm | Expire for H.264 patents should start 2023 Since they go in 5 year loops they really will not have much option after 2016 either to charge or for go rights. | Feb 05 11:33 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @schestowitz: #FreeSoftware and #OpenStandards Can Reduce Emissions http://ur1.ca/ljfw | Feb 05 11:41 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #ACTA Conspiracy Marches on, #IntellectualMonopolies a Threat to Society http://ur1.ca/ljh0 http://ur1.ca/ljh1 | Feb 05 11:42 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM -Occupied #USPTO Plays Ball with Software Patents, USPTO Patently Stupid http://ur1.ca/ljhh http://ur1.ca/lgyy | Feb 05 11:49 | |
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oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/LLVM-milestone-reached-Clang-compiler-self-hosts-922791.html | Feb 05 11:50 |
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oiaohm | Let the complier battle begin. | Feb 05 11:51 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Anti-Corruption Site @Wikileaks is Back, Rights to Anonymity at Risk http://ur1.ca/ljhj http://ur1.ca/ljhk | Feb 05 11:52 | |
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schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, but Apple ignores Linux | Feb 05 11:54 |
schestowitz | They take another strategy | Feb 05 11:54 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: better to use Ogg | Feb 05 11:55 |
schestowitz | They want to trap the Web... like giving free drug sample | Feb 05 11:55 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: Remember Apple attacking IBM not MS. | Feb 05 11:56 |
oiaohm | Apple ignored MS as well. | Feb 05 11:56 |
oiaohm | Until it was basically too late. | Feb 05 11:56 |
schestowitz | Apple doesn't use PPC now | Feb 05 11:57 |
schestowitz | But IBM probably still gets payments from Intel | Feb 05 11:57 |
schestowitz | Or maybe it's mutual | Feb 05 11:57 |
oiaohm | Before PPC Apple was using moterola chip. | Feb 05 11:58 |
oiaohm | IBM and Intel both have a mutual do not sue deal. | Feb 05 11:59 |
oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/science/2010/02/graphene-fets-promise-100-ghz-operation.ars Ok what are we going todo with even faster chips. | Feb 05 12:02 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Monitoring system usage.. gnome system monitor using 20% cpu to tell me that my system usage is ... 20% cpu | Feb 05 12:05 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sriniworld: RT @AccessifyForum Discussion on form labels and WCAG2 http://bit.ly/a4jxDI [JC] | Feb 05 12:10 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Rights to #Anonymity at Risk http://ur1.ca/ljhk | Feb 05 12:12 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BlackDuck Wants Proprietary Monopoly on #FreeSoftware Analysis, #SFLC Responds http://ur1.ca/ljkv | Feb 05 12:39 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @anivar could you provide Hindu translation for us to put in the Web site and educate Indian readers? http://ur1.ca/ljkx | Feb 05 12:39 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Yougov produce another glowing piece of research for Microsoft, parroted by Bloomberg. http://is.gd/7KLZa | Feb 05 12:52 | |
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schestowitz | tessier___: there's that blank page again in the front page, but only in the cached version | Feb 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | I think there's some situation where the wiki does give an empty page (CMS error) and then it gets cached | Feb 05 12:54 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Lost Over $5,000,000,000 Trying to Dethrone #Google (in Vain) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/05/msft-loss-at-rapid-rate/ | Feb 05 12:56 | |
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oiaohm | How much is MS speeding to hold Linux back. | Feb 05 13:06 |
schestowitz | Hard to judge | Feb 05 13:09 |
schestowitz | Propose a criterion/ia | Feb 05 13:09 |
schestowitz | It's different | Feb 05 13:09 |
schestowitz | You should meausre how much in damage Linux caused them, esp. margins | Feb 05 13:09 |
oiaohm | Problem is it double sided. | Feb 05 13:09 |
oiaohm | More force Linux applies the more software they have to dump into the market at basically no profit or negitive profit. | Feb 05 13:10 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Installed vnstat/jsvnstat to monitor my bandwidth usage in a pretty way http://popey.com/bandwidth Yay! Graphs! | Feb 05 13:17 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I actually use vnstat to monitor my 3g usage on my laptop, but it seemed fun to run it on my server too :) | Feb 05 13:18 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Huge Internet Explorer Flaw, #Vista7 “Kills Batteries”, and #WindowsMobile is Virtually Dead http://ur1.ca/ljo8 | Feb 05 13:31 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] True! RT: @salva_eswar: @sagarun Had our great forefathers patented '0', computer science as we know it would never have started. #swpat | Feb 05 13:47 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Exodus Continues as Another Vice President Jumps Ship http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/05/mike-nash-quits/ | Feb 05 13:58 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Trust | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/ybqgjck | Feb 05 14:05 | |
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rnb | good morning | Feb 05 14:22 |
oiaohm | Hi rnb | Feb 05 14:23 |
schestowitz | tessier___: ping | Feb 05 14:30 |
schestowitz | Hey, rnb | Feb 05 14:30 |
Omar87_ | Hi all | Feb 05 14:32 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_york_times | Feb 05 14:34 |
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schestowitz | "The Ochs-Sulzberger family, one of the United States' newspaper dynasties, has owned the Times since 1896.[7] After the publisher went public in the 1960s, the family continued to exert control through its ownership of the vast majority of Class B voting shares. Class A shareholders cannot vote on many important matters relating to the company, while Class B shareholders can vote on all matters." | Feb 05 14:34 |
schestowitz | "Dow Jones & Co., publisher of The Wall Street Journal, had a similar structure and was controlled by the Bancroft family; the company was later bought by the News Corporation in 2007.[27]" | Feb 05 14:35 |
schestowitz | Murdoch | Feb 05 14:35 |
schestowitz | "The Ochs-Sulzberger family trust controls roughly 88 percent of the company's class B shares. Any alteration to the dual-class structure must be ratified by six of eight directors who sit on the board of the Ochs-Sulzberger family trust." | Feb 05 14:35 |
oiaohm | Yep | Feb 05 14:36 |
oiaohm | Murdoch got out of australia due to cross media ownership laws. | Feb 05 14:36 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_The_New_York_Times | Feb 05 14:37 |
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MinceR | http://zs1.smbc-comics.com/comics/20100205.gif | Feb 05 14:38 |
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oiaohm | I miss my secuirty dog that died a few year back he was great fun for those christian door pest. MinceR Black rotwheeler of all things named devil. | Feb 05 14:46 |
MinceR | :> | Feb 05 14:46 |
oiaohm | neighbors dog at the time a large saint benard. Named saint. | Feb 05 14:47 |
oiaohm | Could get really interesting if they used the wrong words. | Feb 05 14:47 |
oiaohm | Some time I have to work out what kind of look of dog deserves the name Hell | Feb 05 14:48 |
oiaohm | His drive way had a nice funny but true warning sign. "Don't park car in driveway. When you get back car might be in pieces." 3 saint benards deciding to play with a car does a lot of damage quicky. | Feb 05 14:51 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://sdn.sap.com/ says "Powered by SAP Netweaver", only the logon screen adds a Novell logo (as I gues it runs on Suse Linux).. odd. | Feb 05 15:06 | |
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*FurnaceBoy is still laughing over tartakoff, 'pandering?' | Feb 05 15:19 | |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he didn't question the 'shill' part. | Feb 05 15:19 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Gotta love technology. My car dealership has wireless, so I can work while they change the oil in the car! | Feb 05 15:22 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Google links up with US spy-master to thwart threats to cyberspace - Times Online - #OutlawStory http://tinyurl.com/y9z968m | Feb 05 15:26 | |
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FurnaceBoy | hm, VERY stealthy. http://news.google.ca/news?client=opera&rls=en&q=bcg3 | Feb 05 15:31 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Microsoft Revisionism from the New York Times, Courtesy of Former Microsoft Employee http://ur1.ca/lk25 | Feb 05 15:34 | |
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schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I saw that before | Feb 05 15:36 |
FurnaceBoy | i'm sure you did :) | Feb 05 15:38 |
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FurnaceBoy | nothing on bing either | Feb 05 15:40 |
FurnaceBoy | well, on page 4... | Feb 05 15:40 |
FurnaceBoy | a link to http://www.thegatesnotes.com | Feb 05 15:40 |
schestowitz | Heh. | Feb 05 15:41 |
schestowitz | Just got this weird suggestion from a reader: | Feb 05 15:41 |
schestowitz | " | Feb 05 15:41 |
schestowitz | Also, another suggestion, get sponsors!!! Every business can sign a petition! Their logos can be placed on the website showing their support, and letting your READERS see the choices to support the NON-Microsoft monopolies! | Feb 05 15:41 |
schestowitz | Feb 05 15:41 | |
schestowitz | These businesses would value your website sending business to them, right? Other businesses would want to join then, and they could help provide additional support in other areas, to promote your cause, REFORM the (software) monopolies! That might be a better title instead of BOYCOTT Novell? LOL… | Feb 05 15:41 |
schestowitz | " | Feb 05 15:41 |
FurnaceBoy | "The H1N1 flu wasn't nearly as bad as predicted, but not because of the effectiveness of the steps taken to contain it. The inadequate global response shows that we are still unprepared for a major pandemic. New methods for manufacturing vaccines quickly and other investments are clearly required." | Feb 05 15:43 |
FurnaceBoy | ^^ Gates. telling us we need to worry about pandemics. | Feb 05 15:43 |
FurnaceBoy | who knew? | Feb 05 15:43 |
FurnaceBoy | "inadequate global response" ? | Feb 05 15:44 |
FurnaceBoy | as in "millions and millions of unused and unneeded vaccines" ? | Feb 05 15:44 |
schestowitz | > Oh’ this gives me another suggestion! Everyone just loves statistics, right? | Feb 05 15:44 |
schestowitz | > Please post a whole webpage on statistics, between “Open Source Code” (How it’s Good) and “Microsoft Proprietary” (Why it’s BAD) software! | Feb 05 15:44 |
schestowitz | > Of course, the focus should be showing how REFORMING the software industry (monopoly), would improve the economy! Which can be made into a video (Mkv) like the “story of stuff”! http://www.storyofstuff.com | Feb 05 15:44 |
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schestowitz | > does by showing the evil behind the motivation of seeking PROFITS above ethics and morals! | Feb 05 15:44 |
schestowitz | I guess we should do something like that soon.... | Feb 05 15:44 |
FurnaceBoy | Your search - bcg3 site:www.thegatesnotes.com - did not match any documents. | Feb 05 15:45 |
schestowitz | Vaccines can be made cheaply if mass produced | Feb 05 15:46 |
schestowitz | But then they can become less effective | Feb 05 15:46 |
schestowitz | The disease evolves around the monoculture | Feb 05 15:46 |
schestowitz | So you open yourself us to diversity of threatd | Feb 05 15:46 |
schestowitz | *ts | Feb 05 15:46 |
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MinceR | http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Platform_Opening | Feb 05 16:24 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Inevitability Claimed, #USPTO Patently Failing, #China Against Patents in #Standards http://ur1.ca/lk7f | Feb 05 16:42 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Mobile office consists of 32GB USB stick with Ubuntu installed on it, and a USB 3G modem. Works anywhere :) (Android phone for backup) | Feb 05 16:51 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] .. and as a backup storage, a 4GB micro SD in the 3G card which works pefectly under Ubuntu. | Feb 05 16:52 | |
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schestowitz | MinceR: what about it? | Feb 05 17:06 |
MinceR | i think it's good news | Feb 05 17:07 |
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schestowitz | http://www.idealist.org/en/job/365730-207 | Feb 05 17:14 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: in a way, yes | Feb 05 17:14 |
schestowitz | Symbian is Nokia | Feb 05 17:14 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @timbray It's simple: Every time DRM has ever touched anything, it has screwed things up. I know of no exceptions>>so simple; and yet... | Feb 05 17:14 | |
schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/29/AR2010012903837.html?hpid=opinionsbox1 | Feb 05 17:15 |
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schestowitz | "DAVOS, SWITZERLAND The World Economic Forum is the last place I would have expected to encounter the new populism. But when a venerable European central banker, a man whose very bearing connotes the old capitalist values, told me privately that he is now convinced that the financial system is too important to be left to the free market, I knew we were wandering into new territory. " | Feb 05 17:15 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/8491118622 | Feb 05 17:17 |
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schestowitz | Oyster has a positive connotation, unlike the junk that it is | Feb 05 17:17 |
FurnaceBoy | populism. | Feb 05 17:29 |
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FurnaceBoy | eugh. | Feb 05 17:29 |
FurnaceBoy | translation: "Our profits are too important to be left to the free market" | Feb 05 17:29 |
FurnaceBoy | well, this conversion has already occurred in the form of bailouts. | Feb 05 17:30 |
FurnaceBoy | no new ideas here, just another way to funnel money | Feb 05 17:30 |
schestowitz | http://shareable.net/ | Feb 05 17:34 |
schestowitz | Banks can lend to businesses | Feb 05 17:34 |
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schestowitz | But banks cannot go "bam" | Feb 05 17:34 |
schestowitz | So they rely on a form of socialism | Feb 05 17:34 |
schestowitz | If they succeed, they pocket $23bn in bonuses | Feb 05 17:35 |
schestowitz | If they fail, we pay | Feb 05 17:35 |
schestowitz | So it's not capitalism | Feb 05 17:35 |
schestowitz | In patitalism | Feb 05 17:35 |
schestowitz | You lose, you perish | Feb 05 17:35 |
schestowitz | You win, you gain | Feb 05 17:35 |
schestowitz | Banks have redefined our systems | Feb 05 17:35 |
schestowitz | It's not capitalism | Feb 05 17:35 |
schestowitz | MinceR: Canonical Makes a Mac fan its COO... | Feb 05 17:38 |
schestowitz | Asay | Feb 05 17:38 |
MinceR | great | Feb 05 17:39 |
schestowitz | How can he sell Linux to people while bashing Linux? | Feb 05 17:39 |
MinceR | when are they going to just start selling macs with windows preinstalled instead of pretending they're doing gnu/linux? | Feb 05 17:39 |
schestowitz | Now you have better reason to embrace Driva? | Feb 05 17:40 |
schestowitz | To be fair, it's not a technical role | Feb 05 17:40 |
schestowitz | me: "http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10447913-16.html" | Feb 05 17:40 |
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schestowitz | He doesn't know UNIX | Feb 05 17:41 |
schestowitz | But he's in marketing and stuff | Feb 05 17:41 |
MinceR | i have better reason to embrace Fedora or Pardus or whatever | Feb 05 17:41 |
Omar87 | Hi all. | Feb 05 17:41 |
schestowitz | MinceR: iCult Mac Store http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBfSHcaMO4 | Feb 05 17:42 |
MinceR | seen it | Feb 05 17:42 |
schestowitz | Funny, no? | Feb 05 17:42 |
MinceR | mildly | Feb 05 17:43 |
trmanco | where is the wiki? | Feb 05 17:48 |
trmanco | schestowitz: ping | Feb 05 17:50 |
schestowitz | http://archiv.twoday.net/stories/6164721/ | Feb 05 17:51 |
schestowitz | trmanco: hey | Feb 05 17:51 |
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schestowitz | trmanco: error in caching | Feb 05 17:51 |
trmanco | ok | Feb 05 17:51 |
schestowitz | I'm waiting for tessier___ | Feb 05 17:51 |
trmanco | I was just wondering if my piece of translated text was used | Feb 05 17:51 |
trmanco | :> | Feb 05 17:51 |
schestowitz | Yes, it is there | Feb 05 17:52 |
schestowitz | The wiki works | Feb 05 17:52 |
schestowitz | It's just not in the front page momentarily | Feb 05 17:52 |
trmanco | .com/wiki | Feb 05 17:52 |
trmanco | won't work | Feb 05 17:52 |
schestowitz | vhttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Portugues | Feb 05 17:52 |
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schestowitz | trmanco: just front page | Feb 05 17:52 |
trmanco | ah,I see | Feb 05 17:53 |
schestowitz | There's also http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/German | Feb 05 17:53 |
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schestowitz | It'll be fine when tessier___ comes back | Feb 05 17:53 |
schestowitz | We had the same issue this morning | Feb 05 17:53 |
trmanco | neat | Feb 05 17:54 |
Ender2070 | schestowitz - the queen passes your laws too | Feb 05 17:54 |
Ender2070 | schestowitz - "In the United Kingdom the Royal Assent is the final step required for a parliamentary bill to become law. Once a bill is presented to the Sovereign or the Sovereign's representative, he or she has three formal options. Firstly, the Sovereign may grant the Royal Assent, thereby making the bill an Act of Parliament. Secondly, the Sovereign may withhold the Royal Assent, thereby vetoing the bill. Finally, the | Feb 05 17:54 |
Ender2070 | Sovereign may reserve the Royal Assent, that is to say, defer a decision on the bill until a later time." | Feb 05 17:54 |
Ender2070 | the term is "royal assent" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_assent#United_Kingdom | Feb 05 17:54 |
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Ender2070 | she can withold royal assent too, meaning the law does not become law | Feb 05 17:55 |
MinceR | how many times can she veto the law? | Feb 05 17:55 |
Ender2070 | as many times as she wants | Feb 05 17:55 |
MinceR | here there's a limit on that | Feb 05 17:55 |
Ender2070 | you know whats scary | Feb 05 17:56 |
MinceR | then again, our head of state is also elected | Feb 05 17:56 |
trmanco | http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.1.38 | Feb 05 17:56 |
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Ender2070 | the same queen does this for canada, via a third party she appoints | Feb 05 17:56 |
Ender2070 | and | Feb 05 17:56 |
Ender2070 | they control our military! | Feb 05 17:56 |
Ender2070 | our commander in chief is the governor general she appoints | Feb 05 17:57 |
Ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander-in-Chief_of_the_Canadian_Forces | Feb 05 17:57 |
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Ender2070 | so if the US decides to invade Canada, they have to deal with the Queen | Feb 05 17:58 |
FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: the queen has been known to do the bidding of the US. | Feb 05 17:58 |
FurnaceBoy | *that's* the scary part. | Feb 05 17:58 |
Ender2070 | well yes thats something i've heard too | Feb 05 17:58 |
MinceR | and the bidding of the US is actually the bidding of the USian megacorps | Feb 05 17:58 |
FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: look at the complicity of UK in Iraq. | Feb 05 17:59 |
Ender2070 | in Canada, she can veto our choice for prime minister too | Feb 05 17:59 |
Ender2070 | she did in the 80's | Feb 05 17:59 |
MinceR | has canada never fought for independence? | Feb 05 17:59 |
FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: but the incident I am referring to was the removal of the Whitlam government in Australia in 1975. The Queen was apparently acting on US demand. | Feb 05 17:59 |
Ender2070 | oh yeah? | Feb 05 17:59 |
Ender2070 | Australia is setup the same way too | Feb 05 17:59 |
FurnaceBoy | yes. | Feb 05 17:59 |
Ender2070 | I think all common-wealth nations are | Feb 05 17:59 |
schestowitz | trmanco: http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2256954/meps-remain-unconvinced | Feb 05 17:59 |
FurnaceBoy | yes. | Feb 05 18:00 |
schestowitz | Oops. | Feb 05 18:00 |
Ender2070 | secretly run by the queen | Feb 05 18:00 |
Ender2070 | not reported by the media | Feb 05 18:00 |
schestowitz | http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2010/01/firefox-for-maemo-now-available-for-download/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MozillaLinks+(Mozilla+Links)&utm_content=Google+Reader | Feb 05 18:00 |
FurnaceBoy | Australia has a governor-general, who dismissed the prime minister. | Feb 05 18:00 |
Ender2070 | yeah | Feb 05 18:00 |
Ender2070 | thats scary | Feb 05 18:00 |
trmanco | what? | Feb 05 18:00 |
FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: secretly??? no there is no secret that the Queen is head of state. | Feb 05 18:00 |
Ender2070 | FurnaceBoy -we grow up thinking the prime minister has all the power | Feb 05 18:01 |
FurnaceBoy | you do? | Feb 05 18:01 |
Ender2070 | yeah | Feb 05 18:01 |
schestowitz | trmanco: Firefox spreading | Feb 05 18:01 |
FurnaceBoy | that's odd. | Feb 05 18:01 |
Ender2070 | they never mention the governor general | Feb 05 18:01 |
FurnaceBoy | but this has never been secret | Feb 05 18:01 |
trmanco | ah | Feb 05 18:01 |
Ender2070 | an open secret | Feb 05 18:01 |
Ender2070 | its there if you want to know | Feb 05 18:01 |
trmanco | I have no maemo device :/ | Feb 05 18:01 |
schestowitz | Tony Blair accused of putting war with Iran on the electoral agenda http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/30/tony-blair-iran-spin-chilcot | Feb 05 18:01 |
FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: no, not at all. | Feb 05 18:01 |
Ender2070 | but they train us not to care | Feb 05 18:01 |
FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: it's common knowledge | Feb 05 18:01 |
Ender2070 | you haven't been through our school system | Feb 05 18:01 |
FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: it's taught in Australian schools | Feb 05 18:02 |
Ender2070 | its not taught here | Feb 05 18:02 |
FurnaceBoy | are you sure? | Feb 05 18:02 |
Ender2070 | yes | Feb 05 18:02 |
FurnaceBoy | everybody here seems to know about it. | Feb 05 18:02 |
FurnaceBoy | her head is on your coins | Feb 05 18:02 |
Ender2070 | yes | Feb 05 18:02 |
FurnaceBoy | the governor-general is frequently in your media | Feb 05 18:02 |
FurnaceBoy | her role is openly discussed | Feb 05 18:02 |
Ender2070 | we know we have a queen but we're told that she and the governor general are there for tradition | Feb 05 18:02 |
Ender2070 | we're told its all show | Feb 05 18:03 |
FurnaceBoy | well it's true that this is a helpful spin | Feb 05 18:03 |
Ender2070 | nobody told us she controls our military or our choices in prime ministers | Feb 05 18:03 |
FurnaceBoy | but it's also spin to think that the queen doesn't listen to the US | Feb 05 18:03 |
Ender2070 | i think the US listens to her | Feb 05 18:03 |
FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: well, i never knew that was any kind of secret... | Feb 05 18:04 |
Ender2070 | maybe secret is a bad word to have used | Feb 05 18:04 |
Ender2070 | its not secret, but its not in your face either | Feb 05 18:04 |
FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: i mean, whole battalions are named after members of the royal family. | Feb 05 18:04 |
Ender2070 | when they explain our political system in school they didnt mention a lot of the stuff regarding the monarchy | Feb 05 18:05 |
FurnaceBoy | you have the Princess Peach's Royal Baby Eaters, and stuff like that. | Feb 05 18:05 |
Ender2070 | LOL | Feb 05 18:05 |
*FurnaceBoy can't remember the actual name | Feb 05 18:05 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Symbian’s identity: Platform or Infrastructure? - http://bit.ly/9tcxFu interesting discussion; still not totally convinced... | Feb 05 18:05 | |
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Ender2070 | I was planning on joining the military at one point in time and I was on the military forums | Feb 05 18:06 |
FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: well, *most of the time* the royal tradition is irrelevant, but it is where the rubber hits the road, and the recent prorogation business shows that the G-G is acting against Canada's best interests right now | Feb 05 18:06 |
Ender2070 | I wondered why they were so obsessed with "the queens english" | Feb 05 18:06 |
Ender2070 | they didnt like any sort of slang at all used | Feb 05 18:06 |
FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: *apparently* the Queen (and we could infer the U.S.) wants Harper kept around | Feb 05 18:07 |
Ender2070 | FurnaceBoy - in the 80s there was a liberal/ndp alliance which used the G-G to take power instead of the conservatives | Feb 05 18:07 |
Ender2070 | the conservatives back then would have had a minority government | Feb 05 18:08 |
FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: well, Harper avoided a no-confidence vote last year | Feb 05 18:08 |
Ender2070 | yeah | Feb 05 18:08 |
FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: and he dodged the Afghan inquiry this year | Feb 05 18:08 |
Ender2070 | prorogue | Feb 05 18:08 |
FurnaceBoy | what will it be next year? | Feb 05 18:08 |
FurnaceBoy | the G-G is not acting in Canada's best interests. she's letting that maniac get away with murder | Feb 05 18:08 |
Ender2070 | probably the bill that further integrates canada and the us | Feb 05 18:09 |
FurnaceBoy | naturally Harper would support that. | Feb 05 18:09 |
FurnaceBoy | he needs to go. | Feb 05 18:09 |
Ender2070 | they already signed one that allows armed us troops to be in Canada | Feb 05 18:09 |
Ender2070 | they also signed one that allows politicians to run in both countries | Feb 05 18:10 |
Ender2070 | I wonder if I should setup a petition to send to the G-G to get rid of Harper | Feb 05 18:11 |
FurnaceBoy | first research if she has to look at petitions. doubtful .:) | Feb 05 18:12 |
Ender2070 | im sure she would at least look at it | Feb 05 18:12 |
Ender2070 | why just toss out mail addressed to you without looking | Feb 05 18:12 |
Ender2070 | especially a huge important looking package | Feb 05 18:13 |
FurnaceBoy | it won't achieve anything. they're acting out an agenda. | Feb 05 18:13 |
FurnaceBoy | she's not independent | Feb 05 18:13 |
FurnaceBoy | *somebody* wants Harper protected. | Feb 05 18:13 |
Ender2070 | yeah | Feb 05 18:13 |
Ender2070 | well think about it this way | Feb 05 18:14 |
Ender2070 | if harper continues we'll have to borrow more from the world bank | Feb 05 18:14 |
FurnaceBoy | yes, i've noticed... | Feb 05 18:14 |
FurnaceBoy | first deficits in a long time | Feb 05 18:14 |
Ender2070 | we had a surpluss before him | Feb 05 18:14 |
Ender2070 | he got rid of the surpluss | Feb 05 18:15 |
Ender2070 | then we got hit with recession, which the surpluss would've protected against | Feb 05 18:15 |
Ender2070 | so now we're in debt for roughly the same amount of money we were in surpluss of | Feb 05 18:16 |
Ender2070 | last time I checked anyways, its probably worse now | Feb 05 18:18 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] listening to Inspire by Capo Productions - http://www.thesixtyone.com/capoproductions/song/Inspire/ARAiMPMW9da/ | Feb 05 18:22 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/alex-holland/checking-blairs-calculus-of-risk-wmds-and-regime-change | Feb 05 18:25 |
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schestowitz | There should be similar grilling in the US | Feb 05 18:25 |
schestowitz | They can do in in Bush's "ranch" | Feb 05 18:25 |
schestowitz | That fake venue that paints him as Average Joe for PR purposes | Feb 05 18:26 |
Ender2070 | lol | Feb 05 18:26 |
Ender2070 | what they dont tell you is that taxpayers bought him that ranch | Feb 05 18:26 |
Ender2070 | i dont know for sure, but its likely ,lol | Feb 05 18:27 |
schestowitz | http://dev.chromium.org/chromium-os/user-experience/form-factors/tablet | Feb 05 18:27 |
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schestowitz | http://www.framablog.org/index.php/post/2010/02/02/britain-loves-wikipedia | Feb 05 18:29 |
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schestowitz | amarsh04: this was resolved, right? http://www.news.com.au/technology/south-australian-state-government-gags-internet-debate/story-e6frfro0-1225825750956 | Feb 05 18:34 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: South Australian Government gags internet debate | News.com.au .::. Size~: 74.17 KB | Feb 05 18:35 |
amarsh04 | yes, the opposition legal spokeswoman had identified a way to overturn it without having to recall parliament | Feb 05 18:36 |
amarsh04 | back later, I'll try to find updated links on the South Australian electoral rules | Feb 05 18:38 |
schestowitz | OMG Craig Murray was murdered | Feb 05 18:40 |
schestowitz | amarsh04: thanjs | Feb 05 18:41 |
schestowitz | *ks | Feb 05 18:41 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Climate change. UK disbelief in global warming rises from 10 to 25 %. poll taken after 8th coldest January on record. Ask again in summer. | Feb 05 18:42 | |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/02/unmanned_frigates/ | Feb 05 18:44 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: US plans crewless automated ghost-frigates • The Register .::. Size~: 24.01 KB | Feb 05 18:44 |
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tessier | schestowitz: Interesting. I am more interested in how they detect the subs than how they navigate the ship. | Feb 05 18:55 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: there needs to be grilling, followed by some long prison terms | Feb 05 18:56 |
tessier | Actually, TFA explains that. Active sonar and slow subs. | Feb 05 18:56 |
schestowitz | Yeah, also sea junk | Feb 05 19:00 |
schestowitz | Like those left on the Moon, Mars and circling in orbit | Feb 05 19:00 |
schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/02/02/3crowd-multiple-cdns/ | Feb 05 19:00 |
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tessier | Having read the whole article that sounds like an excellent idea. | Feb 05 19:01 |
schestowitz | tessier: we have some problem with the wiki/cache | Feb 05 19:01 |
schestowitz | Oh | Feb 05 19:01 |
schestowitz | Wait.. | Feb 05 19:01 |
schestowitz | It's resolved now...? | Feb 05 19:01 |
schestowitz | Seems to work all of a sudden. Did you do something? :-) | Feb 05 19:01 |
tessier | Nope | Feb 05 19:04 |
tessier | Haven't touched it since last night | Feb 05 19:04 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] In the Rajpur getting a yummy curry for supper. Surprise for wifey. Some extra fir the kids lunch tomorrow too. Om nom nom! #fb | Feb 05 19:07 | |
schestowitz | There was something off with caching in the sense that an empty page was cached | Feb 05 19:10 |
schestowitz | And then stuck there for hours (front page, no less) | Feb 05 19:10 |
schestowitz | I reckon it's related to the CMS in some ways, but anyway, it's OK now | Feb 05 19:11 |
schestowitz | wikileaks if coming back | Feb 05 19:11 |
schestowitz | http://bit.ly/dqMn6x | Feb 05 19:11 |
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schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/8625715251 | Feb 05 19:11 |
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trmanco | :D | Feb 05 19:11 |
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schestowitz | trmanco: see the wiki now | Feb 05 19:12 |
trmanco | they made some typos in their message | Feb 05 19:12 |
schestowitz | It has Portuguese along the top | Feb 05 19:12 |
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trmanco | not working :/ | Feb 05 19:12 |
schestowitz | Oh, no... | Feb 05 19:16 |
trmanco | schestowitz: it still gives me a blank page | Feb 05 19:16 |
schestowitz | tessier: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page gives a blank page | Feb 05 19:16 |
schestowitz | It's the same as before and I don't know how caching causes this | Feb 05 19:17 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Waiter in curry house asked if my phone was a Windows mobile.In too good a mood to give him the lecture.Just said 'no,android'.Saved him.#fb | Feb 05 19:21 | |
schestowitz | Hmmmmmm... | Feb 05 19:25 |
schestowitz | Now the wiki works again | Feb 05 19:25 |
schestowitz | It flip-flops | Feb 05 19:25 |
schestowitz | I wish I knew how to resolve it ... | Feb 05 19:25 |
schestowitz | It started a few weeks ago, maybe 2 | Feb 05 19:25 |
schestowitz | Someone reported the blank page for several hours | Feb 05 19:25 |
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ender2070 | FurnaceBoy - I remember now: in high school civics class | Feb 05 19:26 |
ender2070 | FurnaceBoy - They told us about the governor general but it was downplayed. We were told the PM picks the G-G, who passes laws. | Feb 05 19:26 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: hm | Feb 05 19:26 |
ender2070 | which only scratches the surface | Feb 05 19:27 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i wonder if any kind of php caching is configured | Feb 05 19:27 |
FurnaceBoy | ender2070: well, i take your word for it | Feb 05 19:27 |
FurnaceBoy | ender2070: but i am not sure what that would achieve | Feb 05 19:27 |
FurnaceBoy | ender2070: i don't see any sign of public surprise in the recent discussions of prorogation. | Feb 05 19:28 |
FurnaceBoy | ender2070: did you read RIck Mercer's column about it? | Feb 05 19:28 |
ender2070 | no | Feb 05 19:28 |
trmanco | schestowitz: still blank here | Feb 05 19:28 |
schestowitz | Now? | Feb 05 19:30 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page | Feb 05 19:30 |
trmanco | yes blank | Feb 05 19:31 |
schestowitz | Weird | Feb 05 19:31 |
trmanco | that where I am | Feb 05 19:31 |
trmanco | is* | Feb 05 19:31 |
schestowitz | Grrrrrrr.. I've spent like 2 hours on it today | Feb 05 19:32 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: do you have apc or another cache enabled? | Feb 05 19:32 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: phpinfo() | Feb 05 19:32 |
ender2070 | chromium works with 64-bit flash | Feb 05 19:34 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: nope | Feb 05 19:35 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: tessier has a cache server running | Feb 05 19:35 |
schestowitz | I think it caches something wrong | Feb 05 19:35 |
schestowitz | [15:04] <schestowitz> > Here are the two tcp streams captured by ethereal when lynx goes | Feb 05 19:36 |
FurnaceBoy | ender2070: http://www.rickmercer.com/blog/index.cfm/2010/1/5/22-Days-of-Snow-Days | Feb 05 19:36 |
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schestowitz | [15:04] <schestowitz> > to boycottnovell.com. The first part of each goes from me to | Feb 05 19:36 |
schestowitz | [15:04] <schestowitz> > 216.105.40.123, and the second from 216.105.40.123 to me: | Feb 05 19:36 |
schestowitz | [15:04] <schestowitz> > | Feb 05 19:36 |
schestowitz | [15:04] <schestowitz> > *********************************************************** | Feb 05 19:36 |
schestowitz | [15:04] <schestowitz> > GET / HTTP/1.0 | Feb 05 19:36 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: a cache server? reverse proxy? | Feb 05 19:36 |
schestowitz | [15:04] <schestowitz> > Host: boycottnovell.com | Feb 05 19:36 |
schestowitz | [15:04] <schestowitz> > Accept: text/html, text/plain, text/css, text/sgml, */*;q=0.01 | Feb 05 19:36 |
schestowitz | [15:04] <schestowitz> > Accept-Encoding: gzip, bzip2 | Feb 05 19:36 |
schestowitz | <!-- Page not cached by WP Super Cache. No closing HTML tag. Check your theme. --> | Feb 05 19:37 |
schestowitz | ************************************************************* | Feb 05 19:37 |
schestowitz | GET /wiki/index.php/Main_Page HTTP/1.0 | Feb 05 19:37 |
schestowitz | Host: boycottnovell.com | Feb 05 19:37 |
schestowitz | Accept: text/html, text/plain, text/css, text/sgml, */*;q=0.01 | Feb 05 19:37 |
schestowitz | Accept-Encoding: gzip, bzip2 | Feb 05 19:37 |
schestowitz | Accept-Language: en | Feb 05 19:37 |
schestowitz | User-Agent: Lynx/2.8.6rel.5 libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8k | Feb 05 19:37 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: cache/proxy | Feb 05 19:37 |
schestowitz | Cache on another, peripheral vm/server | Feb 05 19:38 |
schestowitz | X-Varnish: 1362320701 1362319747 | Feb 05 19:38 |
schestowitz | Age: 331 | Feb 05 19:38 |
schestowitz | Via: 1.1 varnish | Feb 05 19:38 |
schestowitz | Connection: close | Feb 05 19:38 |
trmanco | !-- Page not cached by WP Super Cache. No closing HTML tag. Check your theme. --> what is this all about? | Feb 05 19:38 |
ender2070 | they shouldn't get paid during this | Feb 05 19:38 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Croissants eaten. What does it say about my routine if I am having breakfast at 2.30pm? | Feb 05 19:40 | |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I don't use varnish. | Feb 05 19:40 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: if i were you, i woudl set up an end-to-end test and cron it, so that if this breaks in future you know about it. | Feb 05 19:41 |
schestowitz | http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123758 | Feb 05 19:41 |
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schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: it's just this one page | Feb 05 19:42 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: even so. | Feb 05 19:42 |
schestowitz | tessier: could you exclude http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page from caching? | Feb 05 19:42 |
schestowitz | That would probably solve the whole problem | Feb 05 19:43 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: why wouldn't it occur elsewhere? | Feb 05 19:43 |
FurnaceBoy | it needs to be root-caused | Feb 05 19:43 |
schestowitz | It never occurred in other pages | Feb 05 19:43 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: anyway, for mirror, we could use mysql replication over openvpn (i already use openvpn) | Feb 05 19:43 |
schestowitz | Oracle'sSQL | Feb 05 19:44 |
FurnaceBoy | ...which you already run, i presume :) | Feb 05 19:44 |
ender2070 | would be nice if you could prorogue and not have to go to work | Feb 05 19:47 |
FurnaceBoy | amen | Feb 05 19:49 |
FurnaceBoy | well | Feb 05 19:49 |
FurnaceBoy | i don't think its actually such a holiday for MPs. | Feb 05 19:49 |
FurnaceBoy | they still have constituency duties | Feb 05 19:50 |
FurnaceBoy | i am sure some of them even prefer to be in parliament hehe | Feb 05 19:50 |
FurnaceBoy | also, it must be a ROYAL pain in the ass for all their work to be cut short, cancelled. | Feb 05 19:50 |
FurnaceBoy | committees disbanded. | Feb 05 19:50 |
ender2070 | yeah | Feb 05 19:50 |
FurnaceBoy | that would piss me off | Feb 05 19:50 |
FurnaceBoy | you spend a year working on complex legislation | Feb 05 19:51 |
ender2070 | i dont think the pm is gonna get elected again | Feb 05 19:51 |
FurnaceBoy | and suddenly the PM cancels everythingm, have to start over. | Feb 05 19:51 |
FurnaceBoy | prorogueing should be a real last ditch thing. | Feb 05 19:51 |
FurnaceBoy | but he does it like it's just celebrating Valentine's Day. | Feb 05 19:51 |
FurnaceBoy | the cynical jerk. | Feb 05 19:51 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 05 19:52 |
FurnaceBoy | honestly, that guy is a terrible thing to happen to Canada. | Feb 05 19:52 |
FurnaceBoy | he's been bringing culture wars, divisive politics here for six years | Feb 05 19:52 |
FurnaceBoy | and it's having an effect. | Feb 05 19:52 |
FurnaceBoy | canada now has a tarnished reputation internationally | Feb 05 19:52 |
ender2070 | yeah and hes crazy | Feb 05 19:53 |
FurnaceBoy | he;s just an asshole in the Bush/Blair/Howard model. | Feb 05 19:53 |
FurnaceBoy | his biggest regret is that he couldn't have had Canadians in the front lines killing Muslims in Iraq. | Feb 05 19:53 |
ender2070 | he had his head so far up Bush's ass he could see Tony Blairs feet | Feb 05 19:53 |
FurnaceBoy | but, at least he made sure that torture is covered up | Feb 05 19:53 |
FurnaceBoy | that's important, you know, if you're a "civilised"country | Feb 05 19:54 |
amarsh04 | end of an era in cricket: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/05/2810975.htm | Feb 05 19:54 |
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schestowitz | BBC distrust growing http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/8637657211 | Feb 05 19:57 |
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schestowitz | This is good: http://dornob.com/sandwich-sack-secure-plastic-zip-anti-theft-lunch-bags/ | Feb 05 19:57 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Sandwich Sack, Secure! Plastic Zip + Anti-Theft Lunch Bags | Designs & Ideas on Dornob .::. Size~: 54.72 KB | Feb 05 19:57 |
MinceR | old :> | Feb 05 19:58 |
schestowitz | tessier: are you around? | Feb 05 19:58 |
amarsh04 | back in a few, loading new kernel | Feb 05 19:59 |
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schestowitz | http://www.technollama.co.uk/landmark-isp-liability-case-decided-in-australia | Feb 05 20:02 |
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FurnaceBoy | ender2070: http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/8691250374 | Feb 05 20:07 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Tymlee #Harper firm on Khadr repatriation - http://bit.ly/ duk78S //Because he is despicable. / & he's a cynical, unCanadian piece of shit | Feb 05 20:07 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: bit.ly, a simple url shortener .::. Size~: 16.49 KB | Feb 05 20:07 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Tymlee So we drink milk from bags. Does that make us weird? http://bit.ly/9p7JoL //my #toronto Harmony organic milk comes in glass bottles | Feb 05 20:08 | |
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schestowitz | http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2010/02/lovemachine-virtually-singularity.html | Feb 05 20:09 |
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schestowitz | http://www.ubuntu.com/news/matt-asay-coo-canonical | Feb 05 20:24 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Open source industry veteran Matt Asay joins Canonical as chief operating officer | Ubuntu .::. Size~: 11.94 KB | Feb 05 20:24 |
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MinceR | they should hire bill gates, too | Feb 05 20:25 |
FurnaceBoy | Asay is an ambiguous character | Feb 05 20:28 |
FurnaceBoy | i think they have progressively got to him | Feb 05 20:28 |
MinceR | last time i say his articles he was a crApple apologist | Feb 05 20:28 |
MinceR | and an anti-FLOSS character | Feb 05 20:28 |
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MinceR | s/say/saw/ | Feb 05 20:28 |
MinceR | he claimed to be pro-"open source" while he kept advertising crApple | Feb 05 20:29 |
FurnaceBoy | MinceR: right, but not always | Feb 05 20:29 |
FurnaceBoy | MinceR: his posture has changed over time | Feb 05 20:29 |
schestowitz | Yes | Feb 05 20:30 |
schestowitz | For the worse | Feb 05 20:30 |
FurnaceBoy | basically yes | Feb 05 20:30 |
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schestowitz | http://twitter.com/mjasay/statuses/8689299735 | Feb 05 20:32 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Twitter / Matt Asay: @schestowitz done! You'll ... .::. Size~: 10.39 KB | Feb 05 20:32 |
schestowitz | " @schestowitz done! You'll be seeing me talk a lot about it, too. Finally!! " | Feb 05 20:32 |
MinceR | what's he so excited about? a chance to harm gnu/linux from the inside? | Feb 05 20:33 |
schestowitz | He can't much... | Feb 05 20:33 |
schestowitz | Cause of his employer | Feb 05 20:34 |
schestowitz | Let's wait and see | Feb 05 20:34 |
MinceR | his employer is pushing mono and bingo into gnu/linux | Feb 05 20:34 |
MinceR | i'm waiting but every now and then i lose more of my faith in canonical | Feb 05 20:35 |
schestowitz | Hmmmmmm..... | Feb 05 20:35 |
cubezzz | I don't think Asay is really part of GNU | Feb 05 20:35 |
ender2070 | thats why I use fedora-kde | Feb 05 20:36 |
schestowitz | Holy c* | Feb 05 20:37 |
schestowitz | Deceiving graphs. | Feb 05 20:37 |
schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/02/microsoft_pays_the_price_literally_for_bings_bigger_share.html | Feb 05 20:37 |
cubezzz | http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/02/05/india.extinct.tribe/index.html?hpt=T2 | Feb 05 20:37 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft pays the price, literally, for Bing's bigger market share .::. Size~: 54.96 KB | Feb 05 20:37 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ancient tribe becomes extinct as last member dies - CNN.com .::. Size~: 57.67 KB | Feb 05 20:37 |
schestowitz | US-only... revenue and loss overlapping | Feb 05 20:37 |
schestowitz | he's trying to make Bong (which SPONSORED HIS SITE) look good | Feb 05 20:37 |
tessier | Make a bong? | Feb 05 20:38 |
schestowitz | Yes, it sells in the streets if it's rolled better | Feb 05 20:39 |
schestowitz | Or piped better | Feb 05 20:40 |
cubezzz | which is more under threat? GNU/Linux or Microsft? | Feb 05 20:40 |
cubezzz | I'd say Microsoft is the one under threat | Feb 05 20:41 |
cubezzz | except for there control of OEMs (which I admit is considerable) they would be largely gone | Feb 05 20:41 |
tessier | http://compgroups.net/comp.os.linux.advocacy/Having-a-Bad-Day-SpamOwitz | Feb 05 20:43 |
tessier | hah | Feb 05 20:43 |
cubezzz | those OEM contracts need a 2010 update | Feb 05 20:44 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: the difference is that Microsoft is DOOMED. | Feb 05 20:44 |
ender2070 | kde 4.4 rc3 is running nicely | Feb 05 20:45 |
cubezzz | FurnaceBoy, I'd say we are in a transitional phase at the moment | Feb 05 20:45 |
cubezzz | we have better industry watch-dogs keeping the big M in check | Feb 05 20:45 |
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FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: they haven't changed, they cannot change. | Feb 05 20:46 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: this dooms them | Feb 05 20:46 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: not adaptable = soon extinct | Feb 05 20:46 |
cubezzz | yes, but It's just too slow for my liking | Feb 05 20:47 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: they were never designed for relevance. they were designed to move money. | Feb 05 20:47 |
DaemonFC | I'm still on GNOME | Feb 05 20:47 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: too slow for my liking too. | Feb 05 20:47 |
cubezzz | all those windows apps... like quicken | Feb 05 20:47 |
DaemonFC | Quicken, run it in Wine | Feb 05 20:48 |
cubezzz | but it's happening, I'm optimistic | Feb 05 20:48 |
cubezzz | nah | Feb 05 20:48 |
DaemonFC | for some reason Oblivion does run in Wine 1.1.37 again | Feb 05 20:48 |
cubezzz | I'll use gnucash :) | Feb 05 20:48 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: maybe when things really start to tank... people will realise the cost of decades of poor choices :) | Feb 05 20:48 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: ....or not bwahahaha | Feb 05 20:49 |
cubezzz | I think the main reason will be money | Feb 05 20:49 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: of course this applies to far more than just microsoft :) | Feb 05 20:49 |
DaemonFC | Wine 1.1.36 did weird things, like none of the characters had faces :D | Feb 05 20:49 |
cubezzz | people need to save more money | Feb 05 20:49 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Solaris 10 locked room mystery: how do I move /usr and /var from / to their own zpools? http://is.gd/7Mj61 http://is.gd/7Mj6T | Feb 05 20:49 | |
DaemonFC | and it would freeze and crash | Feb 05 20:49 |
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FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: yes it's happening. their passing is inexorable | Feb 05 20:49 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: right. the recession exposes all kinds of things. MS was built for the 80s and 90s type blind excess. | Feb 05 20:50 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: and it rode high on that, and now it's dying. The End. | Feb 05 20:50 |
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FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: if RMS hadn't seen so far into the future, we'd have to wait a lot longer. | Feb 05 20:51 |
schestowitz | tessier: Gary Flatfish | Feb 05 20:51 |
FurnaceBoy | Mr Planarian? | Feb 05 20:51 |
cubezzz | yes | Feb 05 20:52 |
schestowitz | tessier: that still persists (blank page) | Feb 05 20:52 |
tessier | schestowitz: That dude has been harrassing you for years and years. I don't get it. | Feb 05 20:52 |
schestowitz | tessier: maybe paid shill | Feb 05 20:52 |
cubezzz | we haven't seen mutex for a while though :) | Feb 05 20:52 |
FurnaceBoy | "It must be love, love, love..." | Feb 05 20:52 |
tessier | schestowitz: The site looks ok to me. shift-reload? | Feb 05 20:52 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/02/gary-stewart-flatfish-troll-unmasked/ | Feb 05 20:52 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Gary M. Stewart (aka “Flatfish”) About Microsoft AstroTurfing: “Its made me A LOT of money&.” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 134.31 KB | Feb 05 20:52 |
schestowitz | tessier: not the wiki | Feb 05 20:52 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page | Feb 05 20:52 |
tessier | hmm | Feb 05 20:53 |
schestowitz | [19:37] <schestowitz> ************************************************************* | Feb 05 20:53 |
schestowitz | [19:37] <schestowitz> GET /wiki/index.php/Main_Page HTTP/1.0 | Feb 05 20:53 |
schestowitz | [19:37] <schestowitz> Host: boycottnovell.com | Feb 05 20:53 |
schestowitz | [19:37] <schestowitz> Accept: text/html, text/plain, text/css, text/sgml, */*;q=0.01 | Feb 05 20:53 |
schestowitz | [19:37] <schestowitz> Accept-Encoding: gzip, bzip2 | Feb 05 20:53 |
schestowitz | [19:37] <schestowitz> Accept-Language: en | Feb 05 20:53 |
schestowitz | [19:37] <schestowitz> User-Agent: Lynx/2.8.6rel.5 libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8k | Feb 05 20:53 |
schestowitz | [19:37] <schestowitz> FurnaceBoy: cache/proxy | Feb 05 20:53 |
schestowitz | [19:38] <schestowitz> Cache on another, peripheral vm/server | Feb 05 20:53 |
schestowitz | [19:38] <schestowitz> X-Varnish: 1362320701 1362319747 | Feb 05 20:53 |
schestowitz | [19:38] <schestowitz> Age: 331 | Feb 05 20:53 |
schestowitz | [19:38] <schestowitz> Via: 1.1 varnish | Feb 05 20:53 |
schestowitz | [19:38] <schestowitz> Connection: close | Feb 05 20:53 |
ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-eunRjxco8 | Feb 05 20:55 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 303 See Other .::. Size~: 0 KB | Feb 05 20:55 |
tessier | schestowitz: When I connect directly to the server I am getting an empty page also. | Feb 05 20:55 |
tessier | Something in httpd/php/wiki is confused. | Feb 05 20:55 |
schestowitz | Ahh... let me check | Feb 05 20:55 |
*FurnaceBoy is an http header now? :) | Feb 05 20:55 | |
schestowitz | "This video contains content from Canadian Broadcasting Corp., who has decided to block it in your country. " | Feb 05 20:55 |
cubezzz | you want me to get it? | Feb 05 20:56 |
cubezzz | then I can host the file for you | Feb 05 20:56 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i haz canadian proxy any time u want | Feb 05 20:56 |
schestowitz | The weird thing is that if I append "?44433232323" to the page it would load up OK | Feb 05 20:56 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: no need now, but thanks | Feb 05 20:56 |
tessier | schestowitz: You mean like /wiki/index.php/Main_Page?44433232323 ? | Feb 05 20:57 |
tessier | I just did that directly with the server and it didn't work...get an empty page also. | Feb 05 20:57 |
cubezzz | rte news does that too | Feb 05 20:58 |
cubezzz | I can't stream video from Ireland | Feb 05 20:58 |
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schestowitz | Hmmm... I get different pages in Firefox | Feb 05 20:59 |
schestowitz | Not the same as in Konqueror | Feb 05 20:59 |
ender2070 | hahahahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqlZgN2ZgZU | Feb 05 21:01 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 303 See Other .::. Size~: 0 KB | Feb 05 21:01 |
DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/10-Kernel-Vulnerabilities-in-Ubuntu-6-06-8-04-8-10-9-04-and-9-10-134162.shtml | Feb 05 21:04 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: 10 Kernel Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 6.06, 8.04, 8.10, 9.04 and 9.10 - Update today - Softpedia .::. Size~: 52.35 KB | Feb 05 21:04 |
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DaemonFC | jono must have gotten DoS'd :P | Feb 05 21:11 |
_goblin | good evening all. | Feb 05 21:13 |
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schestowitz | http://techdrivein.blogspot.com/2010/02/google-chrome-os-tablet-demo-video-like.html | Feb 05 21:16 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google Chrome OS Tablet Demo Video Like a Bolt From The Blue | Tech Drive .::. Size~: 70.88 KB | Feb 05 21:16 |
schestowitz | tessier: could it be that the RSS fetcher which generates content on the front Wiki page causes issues? | Feb 05 21:19 |
schestowitz | When we enabled cache you needed to changes something to make it work | Feb 05 21:20 |
schestowitz | Disabling (removing) these seems to resolve the issue of blank pages | Feb 05 21:20 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @glynmoody The mystery of the disappearing Zune music http://bit.ly/ahch9N you mean they can take DRM'd music *back*? surely not... | Feb 05 21:24 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: The mystery of the disappearing Zune music | Digital Noise: Music and Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 110.06 KB | Feb 05 21:24 |
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schestowitz | http://geekblog.oneandoneis2.org/index.php/2010/02/04/outfoxed "When I first starting running FF, I had half a Gig of RAM and got concerned if I was using more than half of it." I have the same issue | Feb 05 21:25 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Outfoxed? .::. Size~: 40.47 KB | Feb 05 21:25 |
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MinceR | afaik it also caches to memory by default | Feb 05 21:26 |
MinceR | but that can be reduced or disabled | Feb 05 21:26 |
DaemonFC | Chromium is in Mandriva's repo | Feb 05 21:27 |
DaemonFC | fast as blazes but it doesn't have any good way of blocking ads | Feb 05 21:27 |
DaemonFC | I tried to figure out Privoxy, but the Linux version is not very intuitive | Feb 05 21:28 |
MinceR | there's an ad blocker add-on for chromium, isn't there? | Feb 05 21:28 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Yes and no. | Feb 05 21:29 |
DaemonFC | It's an overglorified element hider | Feb 05 21:29 |
DaemonFC | so it loads the ad and hides it immediately | Feb 05 21:29 |
DaemonFC | I prefer something that never loads them in the first place | Feb 05 21:29 |
DaemonFC | saves bandwidth, plugs a potentially malicious element, page loads faster, better privacy | Feb 05 21:30 |
DaemonFC | the add-on for Chrome doesn't give you any of that, it just hides it | Feb 05 21:30 |
MinceR | ic | Feb 05 21:31 |
DaemonFC | according to the adblock plugin page for Chrome, there's actually no way to stop Chrome from loading something, but someone on the Chromium project is "working on it" | Feb 05 21:31 |
MinceR | lame | Feb 05 21:33 |
DaemonFC | on Windows, you can get around that problem with a local proxy that blocks things before feeding the page to the browser | Feb 05 21:33 |
DaemonFC | exactly the same way you block ads in Internet Explorer :) | Feb 05 21:33 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I have decided that I am going to Dead'n'Buried tomorrow. Cross Kings (basement), 126 York Way N1 0AX http://is.gd/7MlLp £5. You? | Feb 05 21:33 | |
MinceR | you can do the same on gnu/linux | Feb 05 21:33 |
DaemonFC | the problem with IE is that it loads an error page within an iframe the size of the element that was blocked for each missing element | Feb 05 21:34 |
DaemonFC | so you can easily end up with a page that scrolls too slowly to use | Feb 05 21:34 |
DaemonFC | mvps.org also seem to be blissfully unaware that Firefox was ever released, they still tell you to use a hosts file | Feb 05 21:36 |
DaemonFC | :D | Feb 05 21:36 |
MinceR | there are lots of problems with ie | Feb 05 21:36 |
DaemonFC | 127.0.0.1 evil.adserver.net | Feb 05 21:36 |
DaemonFC | x 100,000 | Feb 05 21:36 |
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FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: can't Chrome use a local proxy? | Feb 05 21:36 |
DaemonFC | then your entire internet connection becomes unusable because Windows is taking 3 minutes to do a DNS lookup | Feb 05 21:36 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and why doesn't Chrome respect local name service, e.g. /etc/hosts | Feb 05 21:36 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Chrome uses whatever IE is set to use | Feb 05 21:37 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that doesn't make much sense | Feb 05 21:37 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: so exactly the same remedies apply | Feb 05 21:37 |
DaemonFC | yeah, except that it makes Chrome slower than Firefox | Feb 05 21:37 |
FurnaceBoy | why? | Feb 05 21:37 |
MinceR | doesn't chrome let the proxy resolve names then as it should? | Feb 05 21:37 |
DaemonFC | I'm not sure really, it's like Privoxy is feeding it the entire page at once | Feb 05 21:37 |
DaemonFC | and until that happens it doesn't render anything | Feb 05 21:38 |
FurnaceBoy | does squid run on windows? | Feb 05 21:38 |
DaemonFC | Wikipedia says it does :) | Feb 05 21:38 |
DaemonFC | as for HOSTS, everything running on Windows has to respect the HOSTS file | Feb 05 21:39 |
FurnaceBoy | right. | Feb 05 21:39 |
DaemonFC | malware likes to block off antivirus sites with the hosts file | Feb 05 21:39 |
FurnaceBoy | hehe | Feb 05 21:39 |
FurnaceBoy | and hosts can also be a poor man's adblocker | Feb 05 21:40 |
DaemonFC | cracks for Windows activation block off Microsoft's WGA sites with HOSTS | Feb 05 21:40 |
DaemonFC | if the system is activated and you install something that needs to know if Windows is genuine and it can't contact the WGA server, it just goes ahead and installs | Feb 05 21:41 |
DaemonFC | assumes you're offline | Feb 05 21:41 |
DaemonFC | that's also how you can get around some licensing systems for Linux software | Feb 05 21:42 |
DaemonFC | deny them access to the activation server with iptables | Feb 05 21:42 |
DaemonFC | most activation crap for Linux software is crude, just checks to see how many people from how many IP addresses are using the same serial number at once | Feb 05 21:43 |
DaemonFC | and bans that serial if more users than they allow are using it | Feb 05 21:43 |
DaemonFC | I think the idea is more to keep you from using multiplayer | Feb 05 21:44 |
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schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10447310-16.html oh dear | Feb 05 21:50 |
schestowitz | And this is the COO of Canonical? | Feb 05 21:50 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Apple, Google, and the importance of Bing | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 155.46 KB | Feb 05 21:50 |
schestowitz | "It's not about loving Microsoft. It's about preserving options...and competition." | Feb 05 21:50 |
schestowitz | Ha!!!!!1 | Feb 05 21:50 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: "It's not about loving Microsoft, it's about loving their money and selling out our users." | Feb 05 21:52 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 05 21:52 |
DaemonFC | inferior search engine but it makes Canonical some $$$'s | Feb 05 21:53 |
MinceR | ridiculous | Feb 05 21:53 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu probably has several million users | Feb 05 21:53 |
MinceR | apparently canonical's leaders have decided it would be fun for them to turn into another novell | Feb 05 21:53 |
DaemonFC | I'd estimate that the Yahell deal nets them at least a few hundred thousand dollars over the course of a year | Feb 05 21:54 |
MinceR | and this clown is one of the steps on the way | Feb 05 21:54 |
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DaemonFC | that money comes at the direct cost to Mozilla | Feb 05 21:54 |
DaemonFC | and detracts from Firefox development | Feb 05 21:54 |
DaemonFC | so now Ubuntu is worse than a passive consumer of FOSS, they are another parasite | Feb 05 21:55 |
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DaemonFC | well, Mandriva defaults to Ask, but I seriously doubts anyone keeps that | Feb 05 21:56 |
DaemonFC | Yahoo might be passable enough to keep users content with it | Feb 05 21:56 |
DaemonFC | *doubt | Feb 05 21:56 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Ballmer: "There's no chance that the #iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance." #microsoft | Feb 05 21:56 | |
_goblin | lol,,, | Feb 05 21:57 |
_goblin | yeah and don't forget..... | Feb 05 21:57 |
_goblin | Google is a house of cards too. | Feb 05 21:57 |
MinceR | at least Ask isn't google and it isn't m$, are they? | Feb 05 21:57 |
DaemonFC | no | Feb 05 21:58 |
schestowitz | SJVN on SP4.... blech. http://itexpertvoice.com/ad/there%E2%80%99s-no-reason-to-wait-for-windows-7-sp1/ | Feb 05 21:59 |
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Omar87 | Oh... my.. God. | Feb 05 21:59 |
DaemonFC | Ask isn't a terrible engine | Feb 05 21:59 |
Omar87 | I'm checking out Google's new Map capabilities. | Feb 05 22:00 |
Ender2070 | Mandriva sucks | Feb 05 22:00 |
Omar87 | You can take a quick cruise throuth Murphy Street in Califarnia without even having to be there. :D | Feb 05 22:00 |
Ender2070 | ask is just one of the reasons | Feb 05 22:00 |
Ender2070 | no wifi drivers unless you pay for it | Feb 05 22:00 |
DaemonFC | Ender2070: Wrong | Feb 05 22:01 |
Ender2070 | dude, I installed it on my notebook | Feb 05 22:01 |
Ender2070 | no wifi, firmware missing | Feb 05 22:01 |
DaemonFC | It doesn't include binary firmwares by default | Feb 05 22:01 |
DaemonFC | you don't have to pay for them | Feb 05 22:01 |
Ender2070 | they come with powerpack | Feb 05 22:01 |
MinceR | neither does debian, but you can download and copy them to their place | Feb 05 22:01 |
DaemonFC | just go to the Hardware tab and it installs them | Feb 05 22:01 |
DaemonFC | not a huge deal | Feb 05 22:01 |
DaemonFC | the only difference between the free and powerpack is some trialware and legal codecs | Feb 05 22:03 |
Ender2070 | comes with fedora, ubuntu, arch, opensuse, etc | Feb 05 22:03 |
DaemonFC | there's no important differences | Feb 05 22:03 |
Ender2070 | its only intel wireless | Feb 05 22:03 |
MinceR | hm, there's still no 64bit version of Mandriva One | Feb 05 22:03 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: I installed from the Free DVD | Feb 05 22:03 |
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Ender2070 | yeah thats another reason mandriva sucks | Feb 05 22:03 |
Ender2070 | no single cd livecd for 64-bit | Feb 05 22:03 |
DaemonFC | LiveCDs are overrated | Feb 05 22:04 |
MinceR | your face is overrated | Feb 05 22:04 |
MinceR | :> | Feb 05 22:04 |
DaemonFC | they are almost always not done right and are missing things for the sake of cramming it onto a single CD | Feb 05 22:04 |
Ender2070 | i wouldnt have wasted time downloading 4gb to find out my wifi doesnt work out of the box | Feb 05 22:04 |
DaemonFC | Free as in it doesn't include proprietary software | Feb 05 22:04 |
FurnaceBoy | ' Believe it or not, there are many scenarios where Windows Server and Office are actually the add-ons to other primary purchases. Whenever we make a sale of one of our ERP solutions, Windows Server, Office, and SharePoint make some effortless sales because of it. Cut all the products that generate these types of add-on sales of the "flagship" products, and their sales numbers drop too. ' | Feb 05 22:04 |
DaemonFC | those blobs are proprietary software and you have to install them separately | Feb 05 22:05 |
Ender2070 | even fedora includes them | Feb 05 22:05 |
DaemonFC | same reason Ubuntu doesn't play MP3s | Feb 05 22:05 |
MinceR | i prefer LiveUSBs and LiveDVDs to LiveCDs though | Feb 05 22:05 |
DaemonFC | OMG, Ubuntu sucks!!! | Feb 05 22:05 |
DaemonFC | It can't play MP3 right away!!! | Feb 05 22:05 |
Omar87 | DaemonFC: untrue. | Feb 05 22:06 |
DaemonFC | that's totally unreasonable!!! | Feb 05 22:06 |
Ender2070 | ubuntu does play mp3 | Feb 05 22:06 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu can't play divx or AAC or most other formats | Feb 05 22:06 |
DaemonFC | and it can't play DVDs | Feb 05 22:06 |
Ender2070 | this is different | Feb 05 22:06 |
DaemonFC | no it can't, or else it would out of the box | Feb 05 22:06 |
DaemonFC | right away | Feb 05 22:06 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 05 22:06 |
Ender2070 | everyone includes my wifi firmware except mandriva | Feb 05 22:06 |
DaemonFC | just like Windows | Feb 05 22:06 |
DaemonFC | Windows does play all that out of the box, and it'll set up your wifi | Feb 05 22:07 |
MinceR | http://fatpita.net/?i=109 | Feb 05 22:07 |
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DaemonFC | go use Windows | Feb 05 22:07 |
Ender2070 | why | Feb 05 22:07 |
Ender2070 | fedora works out of the box | Feb 05 22:07 |
DaemonFC | Windows rocks because it can do all that and even you can figure it out | Feb 05 22:07 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 05 22:07 |
MinceR | there are things to windows nobody will figure out, though | Feb 05 22:07 |
Ender2070 | if the driver exists I shouldn't have to install it manually | Feb 05 22:07 |
DaemonFC | well, his point was Mandriva sucks because it can't do something out of the box that's actually very easy to set up | Feb 05 22:08 |
DaemonFC | hence, he didn't figure it out in 10 minutes of looking, so Mandriva sucks | Feb 05 22:08 |
Ender2070 | DaemonFC - EVERYONE includes it except Mandriva, and there are other reasons I've explained that cause Mandriva to suck | Feb 05 22:08 |
DaemonFC | Fedora ships non-free software | Feb 05 22:08 |
DaemonFC | that's Fedora's choice | Feb 05 22:08 |
DaemonFC | just because it's redistributable doesn't make it free or not proprietary | Feb 05 22:09 |
Ender2070 | then dont use opera | Feb 05 22:09 |
Ender2070 | idiot | Feb 05 22:09 |
DaemonFC | I didn't say I had a problem with it | Feb 05 22:09 |
DaemonFC | I just said that maybe Mandriva made the choice to not ship non-free blobs on their discs | Feb 05 22:09 |
Ender2070 | I explained that was one of the reasons I consider Mandriva to suck | Feb 05 22:10 |
Ender2070 | I bet Powerpack doesn't have that problem | Feb 05 22:10 |
DaemonFC | and btw, even in Powerpack, you have to go to the Hardware applet to have it pull in the firmware | Feb 05 22:10 |
DaemonFC | it has nothing to do with whether you have pwoerpack or free | Feb 05 22:10 |
Ender2070 | then mandriva = lame | Feb 05 22:10 |
Ender2070 | no wonder they are going bankrupt | Feb 05 22:10 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Sorry, grammarians, "Think Different" in #Apple's slogan is not trying to say "Think Differently." (If it had been,they'd have written that) | Feb 05 22:10 | |
DaemonFC | Me flunk English? That's unpossible! | Feb 05 22:11 |
DaemonFC | :D | Feb 05 22:11 |
DaemonFC | well, I'd also argue that since Fedora doesn't work with half the GPUs out there that they suck | Feb 05 22:11 |
DaemonFC | that's actually a lot more important than wifi | Feb 05 22:12 |
DaemonFC | especially on a desktop, where wifi isn't important at all | Feb 05 22:12 |
Ender2070 | i cant do much without a network connection | Feb 05 22:13 |
DaemonFC | I can't do much without a working GPU | Feb 05 22:13 |
Ender2070 | sure, CLI works | Feb 05 22:13 |
Ender2070 | I can fix it with lynx and a bit of browsing | Feb 05 22:13 |
DaemonFC | sure, I'll just go dust off my Pentium Pro and slap Fedora on it | Feb 05 22:13 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 05 22:13 |
Ender2070 | gonna need a pentium 2 | Feb 05 22:13 |
Ender2070 | i686 packages | Feb 05 22:14 |
DaemonFC | oh wait, it doesn't work with that either | Feb 05 22:14 |
DaemonFC | yeah, just thought of that | Feb 05 22:14 |
Ender2070 | mandriva will work just as badly | Feb 05 22:14 |
DaemonFC | well, Mandriva works with my wifi and my GPU | Feb 05 22:14 |
Ender2070 | i might give it a shot on my desktop | Feb 05 22:15 |
Ender2070 | if it works with my wifi | Feb 05 22:15 |
DaemonFC | I actually got a Netgear WPN111 rigged up with a Windows XP driver through ndiswrapper | Feb 05 22:15 |
Ender2070 | ewww | Feb 05 22:15 |
Ender2070 | disgusting | Feb 05 22:15 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @unhappyhipsters http://tumblr.com/x1p660mko // perspective on that shot is just trippy. | Feb 05 22:15 | |
DaemonFC | no Linux driver for it and it's what I had on hand :D | Feb 05 22:15 |
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Ender2070 | does mandriva have kde 4.4 packages? | Feb 05 22:16 |
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DaemonFC | I don't use KDE, what I do know is that 2010 has 4.3.2 on the DVD | Feb 05 22:16 |
DaemonFC | and 2010.1 Spring Alpha 2 has 4.4 Beta 3 | Feb 05 22:17 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] testing from pidgin with xmmp | Feb 05 22:17 | |
Ender2070 | do they have repos? | Feb 05 22:17 |
DaemonFC | they don't use Xine on the KDE side though, so know that, they use Gstreamer | Feb 05 22:17 |
Ender2070 | if they dont im not going to bother | Feb 05 22:17 |
DaemonFC | they have Contrib and Backports | Feb 05 22:17 |
Ender2070 | i want the latest kde | Feb 05 22:18 |
DaemonFC | I'm not sure what's in there for KDE | Feb 05 22:18 |
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Ender2070 | I use 4.4 RC3 | Feb 05 22:18 |
DaemonFC | I don't have KDE on this system, so I wouldn't know where they are there | Feb 05 22:19 |
FurnaceBoy | LOL! -> http://www.1115.org/2010/02/05/municipal-suicide/ | Feb 05 22:19 |
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DaemonFC | oddly enough, Mandriva makes a better GNOME distribution than a KDE one, in my opinion | Feb 05 22:21 |
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DaemonFC | they don't make a default choice for you but everyone calsl it a KDE distro | Feb 05 22:22 |
DaemonFC | Colorado Springs is a good example of what the rich are trying to accomplish, FurnaceBoy | Feb 05 22:24 |
DaemonFC | decimate the tax base and privatize services for themselves | Feb 05 22:24 |
schestowitz | Depends if you like GNOME better | Feb 05 22:24 |
schestowitz | Unless you refers to their polishing and integration alone, of course | Feb 05 22:24 |
schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/mysql-founder-monty-widenius-on-what-to-expect-next-part-2 | Feb 05 22:24 |
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schestowitz | More talking points from him via a site I generally distrust | Feb 05 22:24 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: how's Mandriva compared to the rest? | Feb 05 22:25 |
schestowitz | I've read what you said | Feb 05 22:25 |
schestowitz | 2010.0? | Feb 05 22:25 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I've ran into a few odd bugs that were rated "WTF!?" by me, but nothing that was an ultimate showstopper | Feb 05 22:25 |
DaemonFC | everything I use is in the repo or in PLF | Feb 05 22:26 |
DaemonFC | it's pretty good | Feb 05 22:26 |
DaemonFC | it's not a LiveCD (the x86-64) version, but the default software you get is good enough to start anyone out on without having to look for things to do basics | Feb 05 22:27 |
DaemonFC | no "Where's Quicken?" types | Feb 05 22:27 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: The biggest problem I ran into with Mandriva 2010 was having to disable speedboot to get it to load my FGLRX driver | Feb 05 22:28 |
DaemonFC | it's been really smooth from there, but it took some digging to solve that | Feb 05 22:28 |
DaemonFC | I ticked up Pulseaudio to realtime with a nice of -11 | Feb 05 22:29 |
DaemonFC | 8-) | Feb 05 22:29 |
DaemonFC | sed -i 's/=auto/=no/' /etc/sysconfig/speedboot | Feb 05 22:29 |
DaemonFC | as root will disable speedboot | Feb 05 22:29 |
DaemonFC | change the no to yes to turn it on | Feb 05 22:30 |
DaemonFC | World Of Goo will crash, but it's a bug in World of Goo, not Mandriva | Feb 05 22:30 |
DaemonFC | happens on Ubuntu and Fedora too :D | Feb 05 22:30 |
DaemonFC | there's a patch from 2dboy for that | Feb 05 22:30 |
DaemonFC | latest FGLRX is in nonfree backports, was happy to see they keep up with that | Feb 05 22:31 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu is still like 3 versions behind | Feb 05 22:32 |
DaemonFC | this month's FGLRX was a disappointment, no X Server 1.7 support, no new features, 6 bug fixes and that's that | Feb 05 22:33 |
DaemonFC | :( | Feb 05 22:33 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Something got fixed somewhere along the way and Windows games that use shaders work in Wine now on ATI cards. Not as fast as on Nvidia, but they do render correctly and don't crash | Feb 05 22:35 |
DaemonFC | I'm hopeful this gets better as time goes on | Feb 05 22:35 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right. it's hilariously stupid. | Feb 05 22:37 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: (re Colorado Springs) | Feb 05 22:37 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: It's just the Teabaggers getting what they wanted | Feb 05 22:39 |
DaemonFC | idiots | Feb 05 22:39 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Number 7 your time is up! – You’ve had the taster, now pay the reaper… http://tinyurl.com/ybjzokc #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #windows7 | Feb 05 22:46 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | very old post, hope you have this one Roy: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/20/be_inc_sues_microsoft/ | Feb 05 22:53 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Watching Lorraine Kelly being interviewed by Jonathan Ross, all I can do to stop smirking and thinking "can you see my growler?!" #fb | Feb 05 22:54 | |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes its BeOS stuff, I know there's still lots more stuff relating to OS/2 vs MS that needs bringing up, but I ran across these | Feb 05 22:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/ | Feb 05 22:56 |
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cubezzz | I liked BeoS | Feb 05 22:56 |
cubezzz | too bad it wasn't FOSS | Feb 05 22:57 |
MinceR | too bad it wasn't multiuser and lacked access control | Feb 05 22:57 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BeOS | Feb 05 22:57 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: BeOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 54.41 KB | Feb 05 22:57 |
cubezzz | It's interesting though, now people really are considering windows alternatives | Feb 05 22:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Quote from above link: "In 2002, Be Inc. sued [4] Microsoft claiming that Hitachi had been dissuaded from selling PCs loaded with BeOS, and that Compaq had been pressured to not market an Internet appliance in partnership with Be. BeOS also claimed that Microsoft acted to artificially depress Be Inc's IPO. The case was eventually settled out of court[5] with no admission of liability on Microsoft's part." | Feb 05 22:58 |
cubezzz | back in 2001 I gather it was far less so | Feb 05 22:59 |
cubezzz | yeah that's bad | Feb 05 22:59 |
cubezzz | Scot Hacker was wrong though | Feb 05 22:59 |
cubezzz | "It is unlikely now that anyone will ever again attempt what Be, Amiga, and IBM attempted. And that's the saddest thing of all -- the insidious ways in which the monopoly has wormed itself into the fabric of our economy and culture." | Feb 05 22:59 |
Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> I was never a big fan of BeOS, but like Linux, OS/2, I did try to dabble with it. And yes, the mulituser interface was missing I believe | Feb 05 23:00 |
cubezzz | there's Sun, there's BSD and of course GNU/Linux | Feb 05 23:00 |
Chips_B_Malroy | even back then I somehow felt Linux was better than BeOS | Feb 05 23:00 |
cubezzz | everything derives from AT&T Unix though, notice that? | Feb 05 23:01 |
cubezzz | all the ones still active | Feb 05 23:01 |
MinceR | it's not an interface feature :> | Feb 05 23:01 |
Chips_B_Malroy | background of the guy who ran BeOS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Louis_Gass%C3%A9e | Feb 05 23:01 |
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cubezzz | the guys who first worked on Unix came up with a lot of good ideas | Feb 05 23:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy | quote from the very first link (registar): "Microsoft sent two U.S. managers to Japan who expressed their 'anger' with Hitachi over its arrangement with Be, and 'reminded' Hitachi of the terms of its Windows license," according to the claim. " | Feb 05 23:04 |
cubezzz | there is _some_ OEM support for Linux | Feb 05 23:04 |
Chips_B_Malroy | this is how the monopoly keeps other OS off computers | Feb 05 23:04 |
Chips_B_Malroy | enforces the monopoly | Feb 05 23:04 |
cubezzz | there's cracks in their monopoly now :) | Feb 05 23:04 |
cubezzz | the illusion of the all-powerful Big M is fading away | Feb 05 23:05 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] What Microsoft giveth the Microsoft taketh away? – Xbox Live & Zune issues? http://tinyurl.com/yks2y2j #microsoft #xbox360 #zune #xbox | Feb 05 23:05 | |
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cubezzz | you can see by Hacker's tone that he thought it was _hopeless_ to fight Microsoft for the OS space | Feb 05 23:05 |
Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/ "DOJ Misses the Point On request of the DOJ, Gassée had several pre-trial conversations with prosecuting attorney David Boies* and Assistant Attorney General Joel Klein. Gassée explained the bootloader situation to them. They listened and heard. But they did not ask Gassée to testify on the bootloader issue. Instead, they asked Gassée to testify on the matter of | Feb 05 23:07 |
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cubezzz | on the matter of...? | Feb 05 23:08 |
cubezzz | I guess I'll read it in the other window :) | Feb 05 23:08 |
Chips_B_Malroy | eventually Palmsource (Access) bought the rights to BeOS, and Yellowtab, which made Zeta, was shut down by Lefty who works for Access | Feb 05 23:08 |
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_goblin | A lefty..... | Feb 05 23:09 |
_goblin | the chap who appeared to believe the "UFO over Moscow" story | Feb 05 23:10 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | thee Lefty, as in Lumpy | Feb 05 23:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | ubertroll | Feb 05 23:10 |
_goblin | you mean Stonemirror on twitter? | Feb 05 23:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yep | Feb 05 23:10 |
Chips_B_Malroy | same one that seems to hate rms and gnu | Feb 05 23:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | but loves mono | Feb 05 23:11 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Access | Feb 05 23:11 |
_goblin | don't really read his rambling unless his Lin^^^ children are talking to him. | Feb 05 23:12 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | I only mention the ending just to tie in the story of BeOS. The fact that the bootloader of windows was never really challeged by the DOJ during the antitrust hearings | Feb 05 23:13 |
cubezzz | I'd like to tell Hacker I have a whole house full of non doze computers :) | Feb 05 23:13 |
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cubezzz | too bad I can't time travel to 2001 | Feb 05 23:13 |
_goblin | you can.... | Feb 05 23:13 |
_goblin | boot up Windows 7 | Feb 05 23:13 |
Chips_B_Malroy | The problem Beos had, is why OEM's still to this day, have not had dual boot machines for sale | Feb 05 23:13 |
cubezzz | DOJ f*cked up | Feb 05 23:13 |
_goblin | that runs like machines did in 2001 | Feb 05 23:13 |
cubezzz | _goblin, I'm on my p3 at the moment :) | Feb 05 23:14 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, I expect Roy already has the story in the archives somewhere, but if not, its a good one | Feb 05 23:14 |
cubezzz | I'll have to decline doze7 | Feb 05 23:14 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | I playing around with a new hd on the desktop with a partial install of Arch 64 | Feb 05 23:15 |
_goblin | its humbling......over the last week I have not posted a thing on my site yet I still get an average of 900 UIP's daily..... | Feb 05 23:15 |
_goblin | feel a little bad that people visit and theres no new stuff. | Feb 05 23:15 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin, would the BeOS stuff make a good story on your site? | Feb 05 23:16 |
_goblin | definately | Feb 05 23:16 |
ender2070 | mandriva isnt very good for kde | Feb 05 23:16 |
_goblin | theres no off limit subjects. | Feb 05 23:16 |
_goblin | your last article chips was VERY popular readers wise | Feb 05 23:16 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I think I am doing something wrong here with Arch | Feb 05 23:17 |
_goblin | infact chips, you article was the third most popular article on Openbytes...... | Feb 05 23:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I got the install ok, but maybe I did not get all the packages installed right | Feb 05 23:17 |
_goblin | beaten only by Facebook of Ballmer and France saying "Bonjour" to FOSS. | Feb 05 23:17 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | sadly, Goblin, my spelling and typo's do not help in your articles. My prove reading is not the best | Feb 05 23:18 |
ender2070 | kde 4.3.2 is so old | Feb 05 23:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy | does Arch install Xorg by default, anyone know? | Feb 05 23:19 |
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cubezzz | old ;) | Feb 05 23:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | have to try another install of it another day | Feb 05 23:20 |
cubezzz | let me let you about old :) | Feb 05 23:20 |
cubezzz | yggdrasil = old | Feb 05 23:20 |
Chips_B_Malroy | really old | Feb 05 23:20 |
cubezzz | kde 4.3.2 != old | Feb 05 23:20 |
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FurnaceBoy | _goblin: haha, today I got this feedback on my site: "Great product. However this website needs some serious work in architecture, visual design, and basic web design standards." | Feb 05 23:20 |
FurnaceBoy | _goblin: the visual design part, definitely. that's the problem with a spare-time site. :-X | Feb 05 23:21 |
ender2070 | it should be 4.3.5 | Feb 05 23:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy | FunaceBoy> can u give a link to your site? | Feb 05 23:23 |
cubezzz | Great Product? | Feb 05 23:23 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | FurnaceBoy> sorry about spelling | Feb 05 23:24 |
ender2070 | by far the best kde so far is fedora-kde and kubuntu | Feb 05 23:24 |
_goblin | furnaceboy: Whats your site? I'll link it. | Feb 05 23:24 |
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_goblin | chips_B_Malroy: Np, I can run it though a spell check and proof read it myself....although I too am guilty of the same sin! | Feb 05 23:25 |
cubezzz | "o why aren't there any dual-boot computers for sale? The answer lies in the nature of the relationship Microsoft maintains with hardware vendors. More specifically, in the "Windows License" agreed to by hardware vendors who want to include Windows on the computers they sell. This is not the license you pretend to read and click "I Accept" to when installing Windows. This license is not available online. This is a confidential license" | Feb 05 23:26 |
Chips_B_Malroy | non disclosure agreement | Feb 05 23:26 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | NDA | Feb 05 23:26 |
cubezzz | but someone might have leaked it somewhere | Feb 05 23:27 |
cubezzz | it would be interesting to see | Feb 05 23:27 |
Chips_B_Malroy | the worst agreements are verbal nda's | Feb 05 23:27 |
ender2070 | they should name it lamdriva | Feb 05 23:27 |
ender2070 | lamedriva | Feb 05 23:28 |
cubezzz | Dell must have cracked the dual boot limitation though | Feb 05 23:28 |
cubezzz | they definitely are selling dual-boot laptops | Feb 05 23:28 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | You mean with ARM chips on INtel boards? Where linux is in a flash rom chip | Feb 05 23:28 |
cubezzz | no, I mean it's got Ubuntu and doze on the hd | Feb 05 23:29 |
Chips_B_Malroy | only dual boot I know that a major OEM can get away with. Because Linux is not on the HD | Feb 05 23:29 |
MinceR | there probably are SplashTop (and similar) laptops sold already, that's dual-booting on the same CPU | Feb 05 23:29 |
cubezzz | it could be the Linux boxes also have doze though | Feb 05 23:30 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Seems like Microsoft has finally got around to putting filters on its RT bots...Openbytes articles don't seem to be RT'd by them anymore ;) | Feb 05 23:30 | |
cubezzz | you can't say Dell doesn't have Linux boxes, I've seen them | Feb 05 23:30 |
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ender2070 | I've purchased a dell linux notebook | Feb 05 23:31 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I wonder how much Twitter server load can be attributed to the Microsoft PR machine? | Feb 05 23:31 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin, maybe bing wants to filter out anything negative about M$? | Feb 05 23:31 |
MinceR | i've purchased a dell freedos notebook, and the problem was that it was a dell | Feb 05 23:32 |
cubezzz | I'm on Bing and I'm prety anti-Microsoft :) | Feb 05 23:32 |
ender2070 | heresy | Feb 05 23:32 |
ender2070 | bing sucks | Feb 05 23:32 |
cubezzz | I was just curious | Feb 05 23:32 |
Chips_B_Malroy | there are worse than dell | Feb 05 23:32 |
cubezzz | I'm even number one on bing with "cubeman" :) | Feb 05 23:32 |
Chips_B_Malroy | I have two HP laptops given to me broken | Feb 05 23:32 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Oh yes, and Im back. Busy week forced me away from the PC! Now to check up on those cheeky Microsoft advocates. | Feb 05 23:33 | |
MinceR | i did try bingo several times | Feb 05 23:33 |
MinceR | it always gave worse results than google | Feb 05 23:33 |
Chips_B_Malroy | mostly the have poor power supply connectors, and things that die on the motherboard more frequently | Feb 05 23:33 |
cubezzz | yeah but Dell used to be good | Feb 05 23:33 |
cubezzz | one of my customers has a Dell from 1996 that still works | Feb 05 23:34 |
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MinceR | probably before i bought one of their craptops | Feb 05 23:34 |
cubezzz | I like Tyan for motherboards | Feb 05 23:34 |
cubezzz | not sure if they make laptop boards though | Feb 05 23:34 |
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*tessier likes Supermicro | Feb 05 23:36 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] ROH, TNA or WWE? For me its a tough call between ROH & TNA, both are great shows/showcases for the sport at the moment. | Feb 05 23:36 | |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Thanks, FurnaceBoy | Feb 05 23:39 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | The interesting thing about BeOS to me, was it was settled out of court, with a NDA | Feb 05 23:44 |
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DaemonFC | hmmm, they got AcetoneISO fixed | Feb 05 23:44 |
cubezzz | lol | Feb 05 23:45 |
Chips_B_Malroy | which imples that BeOS got paid off by MS | Feb 05 23:45 |
DaemonFC | it wouldn't in stall for me in 2009.1 Spring, I had to fall back to nrg2iso | Feb 05 23:45 |
cubezzz | like everything was NDA though | Feb 05 23:45 |
DaemonFC | *install | Feb 05 23:45 |
Chips_B_Malroy | for the same reasons that BeOS most likely got paid off, is why we don't have dual boot systems today | Feb 05 23:46 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | M$ knows that if an OEM takes them to court for the same reasons as BeOS did, they lose. | Feb 05 23:46 |
cubezzz | I made a doze7/Fedora 11 dual boot laptop for a customer | Feb 05 23:47 |
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cubezzz | it was a pain too :) | Feb 05 23:47 |
Chips_B_Malroy | anytime I have to work with windows is a pain | Feb 05 23:47 |
Chips_B_Malroy | one word--malware | Feb 05 23:48 |
Chips_B_Malroy | windows=malware | Feb 05 23:48 |
cubezzz | heh | Feb 05 23:48 |
cubezzz | I knew you were going to say that | Feb 05 23:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | its either malware or the regristary that is hosed usually when someone brings me a windows machine to fix | Feb 05 23:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | a leopard cannot change its spots | Feb 05 23:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy | cubezzz | Feb 05 23:49 |
cubezzz | btw what browser did BeOS use? | Feb 05 23:50 |
cubezzz | yeah I have to fix doze boxes too | Feb 05 23:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy | net something, I think | Feb 05 23:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy | nettraker maybe | Feb 05 23:52 |
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DaemonFC | cubezzz: NetPositive | Feb 05 23:52 |
cubezzz | ah | Feb 05 23:52 |
DaemonFC | the browser also used haikus for error messages | Feb 05 23:52 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 05 23:52 |
Chips_B_Malroy | ah, a former BeOS user | Feb 05 23:52 |
DaemonFC | which is why Haiku is the name for the new BeOS-like OS being developed | Feb 05 23:53 |
DaemonFC | I liked BeOS | Feb 05 23:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | yes, I have that in a vm | Feb 05 23:53 |
Chips_B_Malroy | haiku | Feb 05 23:53 |
DaemonFC | Firefox build and runs still, even on the original BeOS | Feb 05 23:53 |
DaemonFC | same build runs on Haiku | Feb 05 23:53 |
DaemonFC | the problem with Haiku is that they still have to use gcc 3.2 as their compiler or they will break compatibility with BeOS | Feb 05 23:54 |
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DaemonFC | so they're working out a system where they can have a BeOS classic environment within an OS that can be built with GCC 4.x | Feb 05 23:55 |
DaemonFC | personally, I think it's kind of a waste of time given how much Linux has advanced in the last 10 years | Feb 05 23:56 |
DaemonFC | a project like this would make more sense to me in the context of ten years ago | Feb 05 23:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> similar to what I would like to do with a vm to use earilier libraries to run WP8, Corel Photopaint, and Loki games | Feb 05 23:56 |
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DaemonFC | in the context where Windows user installs Linux, nothing works, no GPU acceleration, can't get online, no printer, fuck it, reinstall Windows *sigh* | Feb 05 23:57 |
DaemonFC | that's where Linux was in 2000 | Feb 05 23:57 |
Chips_B_Malroy | you have to use old versions of gcc | Feb 05 23:57 |
cubezzz | can't get online? give me a break :) | Feb 05 23:58 |
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DaemonFC | nobody wants to have to go shopping for Brand X Widget Y Model T3729 Version Foo to know that it will run in Linux, repeat for every widget in the system | Feb 05 23:58 |
DaemonFC | and for the vast majority of hardware, you don't need to anymore | Feb 05 23:59 |
cubezzz | yeah and I didn't | Feb 05 23:59 |
cubezzz | I went into Linux twice, first in 1994 | Feb 05 23:59 |
cubezzz | then again in 2003 | Feb 05 23:59 |
cubezzz | in 2003-> present I've stuck with it | Feb 05 23:59 |
DaemonFC | so that's, I think, why Linux failed spectacularly in retail back then | Feb 05 23:59 |
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