qu1j0t3 | _goblin: you're kidding, right? | Feb 12 00:00 |
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roved2101 | _goblin if I havent done anything wrong why should I be monitored?? | Feb 12 00:00 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: the very existence of this technology means abuse. look into how the surveillance has been constantly abused in the US | Feb 12 00:00 |
_goblin | roved2101: because how is an agency supposed to know that? Crystal ball? | Feb 12 00:00 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: every day | Feb 12 00:00 |
roved2101 | _goblin we arent all evil?? | Feb 12 00:00 |
_goblin | and how can the populas be monitored when in the UK there are not even enough officers to put 1 per street? | Feb 12 00:01 |
roved2101 | cameras | Feb 12 00:01 |
qu1j0t3 | 1 per street? why would you want that? | Feb 12 00:01 |
_goblin | and who monitors those, or is it just data on a harddisk? | Feb 12 00:01 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mac blogger Ronald Carlson and #IDG write about the #FSF and the former (at the least) smears it http://ur1.ca/m4fq | Feb 12 00:01 | |
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_goblin | qu1j0t3: The point I was making, if there is not enough officers to have 1 for every street in the UK, how on earth can everybody be monitored? | Feb 12 00:02 |
roved2101 | _goblin we're gonna party likes it 1984 | Feb 12 00:03 |
_goblin | really? One example of 1984 then. | Feb 12 00:03 |
_goblin | I can give you hundreds supporting camera's. | Feb 12 00:03 |
ThistleWeb | cameras preventing crime is a failed idea, what it does do is provide evidence of a crime...assuming its pointed in the right direction at the time | Feb 12 00:04 |
ThistleWeb | which can later be used in court | Feb 12 00:04 |
_goblin | Its very fashionable to think there is some large evil organisation at work, monitoring people, plotting, but its not like that. Sure there are bad people, both citizens and those in "high places" but nobody is above the law and fundamentally at the heart of any "observation" the individuals rights (and the rights/safety of others) are always considered. | Feb 12 00:05 |
roved2101 | tracking people everywhere is what its all about | Feb 12 00:05 |
_goblin | yes but you can't just "track" someone....do you know what RIPR policy is? | Feb 12 00:05 |
roved2101 | and dont dare challenge the system | Feb 12 00:05 |
roved2101 | you'll be a dissident | Feb 12 00:06 |
roved2101 | _goblin that wont matter | Feb 12 00:06 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] And the M$ Windows 8 vaporware circus has begun: http://tinyurl.com/yajx8yz Promises, promises and more promises. But nothing of substance. | Feb 12 00:06 | |
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_goblin | really? Plenty of people challenge the system including those that work for it....the "system" as you refer to are the laws/polititians that YOU voted in. | Feb 12 00:06 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: that doesn't mean this kind of technology is a problem. It will be abused no matter how many cops staff it. | Feb 12 00:06 |
qu1j0t3 | is not* | Feb 12 00:06 |
_goblin | how? | Feb 12 00:06 |
qu1j0t3 | crikey, you're kidding me? | Feb 12 00:07 |
_goblin | please example. | Feb 12 00:07 |
qu1j0t3 | don't be obtuse | Feb 12 00:07 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: are you familiar with the way surveillance is abused in the US? | Feb 12 00:07 |
qu1j0t3 | it's not about QUANTITY. | Feb 12 00:07 |
_goblin | Im not being obtuse, I want to hear how you would consider it would be abused....in regards to the US, I cant comment. | Feb 12 00:07 |
_goblin | I can only talk for the UK, just like you the US | Feb 12 00:08 |
qu1j0t3 | well, if you don't know how surveillance technology is abused (even leaving out the weaponisation), then you have a stack of reading to do. | Feb 12 00:08 |
qu1j0t3 | eh? the information on US abuses is on the net. | Feb 12 00:08 |
_goblin | lol....Im sure.... | Feb 12 00:08 |
qu1j0t3 | I am not American, just better informed than most of them. | Feb 12 00:08 |
_goblin | thats why you would know all about RIPR policy then. | Feb 12 00:08 |
_goblin | what is RIPR? | Feb 12 00:08 |
_goblin | silence...... | Feb 12 00:08 |
_goblin | I'll answer for you.... | Feb 12 00:09 |
sebsebseb | oh qu1j0t3 your FurnaceBoy with another name | Feb 12 00:09 |
roved2101 | _goblin we hate microsoft and those associated with from a software side and dont consider real life police states and dictatorships being formed all to protect of the bogey man AL-cia-da | Feb 12 00:09 |
qu1j0t3 | so you're insisting that surveillance technology is not abused? | Feb 12 00:09 |
Ziomatrix | qu1j0t3: American foriegn policy and how they treat foriegners /=/ domestic policies | Feb 12 00:09 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: eh | Feb 12 00:09 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: I'm familiar with both | Feb 12 00:09 |
sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: your hostmask gives it away | Feb 12 00:09 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: unfortunately, we've been forced to stay current with american affairs due to unrestrainted interventionism | Feb 12 00:10 |
qu1j0t3 | unrestrained* | Feb 12 00:10 |
_goblin | RIPR is the SOP that the UK services/institutions have to follow in respect of covert intrusive observation. | Feb 12 00:10 |
Ziomatrix | qu1j0t3: Most NSA easedropping done to anyone calling out of the country, even more is oddly enough done to military personell and families | Feb 12 00:10 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: it's never been a secret, for god's sake. | Feb 12 00:10 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: rubbish | Feb 12 00:10 |
sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: no I wasn't part of the convo | Feb 12 00:10 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: go look it up | Feb 12 00:10 |
sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: I was saying about your IRC nick | Feb 12 00:10 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: well, that's great, I don't have much faith in such things, but if it works, you should export the technology | Feb 12 00:10 |
ThistleWeb | * [qu1j0t3] is logged in as FurnaceBoy | Feb 12 00:10 |
_goblin | qu1j0t3: Eh? | Feb 12 00:10 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: yes, teh nick change is no secret, it changes when i reconnect | Feb 12 00:10 |
_goblin | qu1j0t3: Im talking SOP that UK law enforcement has to follow. | Feb 12 00:11 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: "regulation" is ineffective elsewhere | Feb 12 00:11 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: I hope it works for UK | Feb 12 00:11 |
Ziomatrix | qu1j0t3: Now I don't condone it but as is crime prevention through survailence is pretty much sequestered to indoors and occassional traffic lights | Feb 12 00:11 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: nonsense | Feb 12 00:11 |
sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: your also Canadian and you say your more informed about stuff than Americans :D | Feb 12 00:11 |
ThistleWeb | why do people hide behind nicks? | Feb 12 00:11 |
_goblin | qu1j0t3: it does, which is why I asked you to name ONE abuse case of it. | Feb 12 00:11 |
*ThistleWeb shakes head | Feb 12 00:11 | |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: yeah, I am better informed about American affairs than most Americans | Feb 12 00:11 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: that's surprisingly easy | Feb 12 00:11 |
_goblin | qu1j0t3: im sure...... | Feb 12 00:11 |
Ziomatrix | qu1j0t3: Most net survailence is done by active undercover agents or packet sniffers | Feb 12 00:12 |
_goblin | qu1j0t3: so then you will know all about the legislation covering foriegn nationals and them being summons to US courts? | Feb 12 00:12 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: there are hundreds, if not thousands, of cases recorded of abuse of this | Feb 12 00:12 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: of course | Feb 12 00:12 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: US interventionism has forced many foreigners to examine all these things, if not experience them directly | Feb 12 00:12 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: it's just prudence | Feb 12 00:13 |
_goblin | qu1j0t3: ok....UK national accused living in France to be brought to US to face trial...act and section..... | Feb 12 00:13 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: none of us are beyond their reach -- cf CIA renditions from many EUropean countries (and complicity of same) | Feb 12 00:13 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: right | Feb 12 00:13 |
Ziomatrix | qu1j0t3: Thats because governments and intrlligence agencies work in tandem | Feb 12 00:14 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: naturally | Feb 12 00:14 |
_goblin | This isn't going to turn into an Area 51 debate is it? I was just chatting to someone about people with the very same ethos..... | Feb 12 00:14 |
qu1j0t3 | ethos? | Feb 12 00:14 |
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_goblin | yes ethos..... | Feb 12 00:14 |
sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: I am not sure why your high lighting me loads | Feb 12 00:14 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: all of this is fact | Feb 12 00:14 |
_goblin | ah its a conspiracy.............. | Feb 12 00:14 |
_goblin | ah there be aliens in them hills | Feb 12 00:14 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: ah sorry | Feb 12 00:15 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: it's wonderful that the UK prevents surveillance abuse. really. | Feb 12 00:15 |
sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: plus when your high lighting me, it seems your not actsaully talking to me really | Feb 12 00:15 |
roved2101 | _goblin there be orcs and goblins around too | Feb 12 00:15 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: you should explain to other nations how | Feb 12 00:15 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: some of those remarks are meant for Ziomatrix, damn that yellow colour | Feb 12 00:16 |
_goblin | In the UK and I expect the US....Government actions are blown massively out of proportion...sure there are bad people in positions of responsibility but as we saw with MP's and expenses, they are not above the law. | Feb 12 00:16 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: the abuse is a matter of record | Feb 12 00:16 |
_goblin | so give me one example so we can debate it. | Feb 12 00:16 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: not just under the recent regimes. in *all* authoritarian regimes | Feb 12 00:16 |
_goblin | so give me one example so we can debate it. | Feb 12 00:16 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: it's plain history. if it exists, it will be abused | Feb 12 00:16 |
_goblin | so give me one example so we can debate it. | Feb 12 00:16 |
qu1j0t3 | go to your public library, if you don't trust the net | Feb 12 00:17 |
_goblin | so give me one example so we can debate it. | Feb 12 00:17 |
_goblin | come on.... | Feb 12 00:17 |
_goblin | I thought you wanted to make a point.... | Feb 12 00:17 |
_goblin | its like me saying...there's aliens running Canonical...then refusing to back it up with my supporting opinion. | Feb 12 00:17 |
qu1j0t3 | eh? | Feb 12 00:17 |
qu1j0t3 | this is not opinion. | Feb 12 00:17 |
roved2101 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai0hXYVc9XA | Feb 12 00:18 |
qu1j0t3 | if you're so ignorant you're not aware of surveillance abuses, then I give up | Feb 12 00:18 |
_goblin | yes...as you claim "its fact" | Feb 12 00:18 |
qu1j0t3 | it is fact. it has always been fact. | Feb 12 00:18 |
_goblin | lol | Feb 12 00:18 |
_goblin | so you have no example. In the time its taken you to reply you could have given me an example..... | Feb 12 00:18 |
qu1j0t3 | if it doesn't happen in the UK, then lovely | Feb 12 00:18 |
_goblin | you don't even know your own countries extradiction legislation. | Feb 12 00:18 |
qu1j0t3 | you just should export that secret | Feb 12 00:18 |
_goblin | and you don't even know about RIPR... | Feb 12 00:19 |
_goblin | or indeed SOP for any observation. | Feb 12 00:19 |
_goblin | ...how about Sec(1) of Human Rights Act? Lets start with the basics. | Feb 12 00:19 |
qu1j0t3 | did you just step out of a time capsule? | Feb 12 00:19 |
roved2101 | _goblin the globalist dont care about rights. They are removing them daily | Feb 12 00:20 |
Ziomatrix | When did this channel become a general politics channel? | Feb 12 00:20 |
_goblin | no.. I just have a vast experience in the topics you are trying to debate....badly. | Feb 12 00:20 |
_goblin | its not politics....this is about paranoia | Feb 12 00:20 |
qu1j0t3 | Ziomatrix: Microsoft is politics | Feb 12 00:20 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: tell Omar Khadr about paranoia, or Maher Arar | Feb 12 00:20 |
_goblin | Good example...... | Feb 12 00:21 |
qu1j0t3 | or Binyam Mohamed | Feb 12 00:21 |
Ziomatrix | roved2101: They don't remove rights, it's just they place their interests not only above but in the way of human development in many cases | Feb 12 00:21 |
_goblin | Im surprised..... | Feb 12 00:21 |
_goblin | In those cases...... | Feb 12 00:21 |
qu1j0t3 | and yeah, any sane person would be fucking paranoid crossing that border. | Feb 12 00:21 |
qu1j0t3 | or carrying a laptop across it. | Feb 12 00:22 |
ThistleWeb | only if your tinfoil hat slips | Feb 12 00:22 |
roved2101 | Ziomatrix put their global interest and police state interest above our innate civil common law rights | Feb 12 00:22 |
qu1j0t3 | abuses of that particular practice (laptop seizure) are also on tecord. | Feb 12 00:22 |
qu1j0t3 | record* | Feb 12 00:22 |
_goblin | there were alleged to be disgusting abuses.... | Feb 12 00:22 |
_goblin | however..... | Feb 12 00:22 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: are you saying that Mohamed, Arar, and Khadr made everything up? | Feb 12 00:22 |
ThistleWeb | allegations are just that, allegations until proven otherwise | Feb 12 00:23 |
qu1j0t3 | to name three of hundreds | Feb 12 00:23 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: ah.... | Feb 12 00:23 |
_goblin | no....please wait until I finish typing. | Feb 12 00:23 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: you're clearly not familiar with the cases | Feb 12 00:23 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: courts found in favour of Arar and Khadr | Feb 12 00:23 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: the Canadian supreme court, for one | Feb 12 00:23 |
ThistleWeb | is someone a rapist if someone accuses them? | Feb 12 00:23 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: familiarise yourself with the cases before jumping in. | Feb 12 00:23 |
ThistleWeb | or if a court find them guilty of the accused crime? | Feb 12 00:24 |
_goblin | what I am saying is that in those cases it was individuals actions and its those individuals who should be brought to trial....its why Nazi Generals were tried..... | Feb 12 00:24 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: Khadr and Arar were never charged | Feb 12 00:24 |
ThistleWeb | by law, they are "accused" until proven guilty | Feb 12 00:24 |
_goblin | and what those cases have to do with covert observation...? | Feb 12 00:24 |
Ziomatrix | roved2101: Theyre capital driven entities that are too large to effectively work within domestic markets so they try to make up their own rules, their execs are so use to government kickbacks that they don't know how to effectively compete anymore, so they lobby | Feb 12 00:24 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: you referred to paranoia | Feb 12 00:24 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: given the facts in these cases, paranoia is quite rational when it comes to the authoritarian governments involved. | Feb 12 00:25 |
ThistleWeb | many govts are authoritarian | Feb 12 00:25 |
Ziomatrix | roved2101: Have you seen the Toyota debacle, it was a result of a once dynamic business turning into a beaurocratic incumbent | Feb 12 00:25 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: I guess you deny the extraordinary rendition program as well? | Feb 12 00:25 |
ThistleWeb | even if they pretend otherwise | Feb 12 00:25 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: quite so | Feb 12 00:25 |
_goblin | qu1j03: let me finish the previous point please. | Feb 12 00:26 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: we have an authoritarian figurehead over here now | Feb 12 00:26 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: they tend to poll well | Feb 12 00:26 |
ThistleWeb | in every govt there's lots of departments too, some of which will have a culture which does not fit with the image | Feb 12 00:26 |
ThistleWeb | plenty companies have the same | Feb 12 00:26 |
ThistleWeb | govts, just like companies are made up of groups of peeps | Feb 12 00:27 |
roved2101 | Ziomatrix yes and its time these multinationals are held to account. | Feb 12 00:27 |
ThistleWeb | if there's a culture of "if you behave like this you'll get promoted, if you speak out you'll get sacked" | Feb 12 00:27 |
ThistleWeb | that's very different from an official policy | Feb 12 00:28 |
_goblin | qu1j0t3: You voted the government in.... | Feb 12 00:29 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: I did? | Feb 12 00:29 |
_goblin | yep | Feb 12 00:29 |
_goblin | or did you not vote? | Feb 12 00:29 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: there are several problems with that assertion | Feb 12 00:29 |
Ziomatrix | roved2101: All it takes is a reprisentational government that follows it's peoples wishes with a policy for domestic growth, or just subtract one. The PRC seems to do fine controlling corporations and ensuring they're not over-extended, the US and UK too to an extend. It's poorer places with a lack of a cohesive or really small but corrupt gov that have the real problems | Feb 12 00:29 |
_goblin | and you...is the collective..... | Feb 12 00:29 |
_goblin | majority vote wins. | Feb 12 00:29 |
qu1j0t3 | no shit. | Feb 12 00:29 |
qu1j0t3 | this is really educational. | Feb 12 00:29 |
qu1j0t3 | let's agree to disagree | Feb 12 00:29 |
*roved2101 dreams of people no longer being sheep | Feb 12 00:30 | |
ThistleWeb | baa | Feb 12 00:30 |
ThistleWeb | sorry, my DNA kicked in | Feb 12 00:30 |
qu1j0t3 | you can walk off, _goblin, with your assessment of me as a paranoid idiot. | Feb 12 00:30 |
_goblin | well it is, because I had to explain points of law to you in respect of the subject you were trying to argue. | Feb 12 00:30 |
roved2101 | lol | Feb 12 00:30 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: mine of you is quite neutral. let's leave it like this. | Feb 12 00:30 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: I am pleased that your regulation is strnog enough in the UK to prevent abuses. | Feb 12 00:30 |
_goblin | qu1j0t3: I never called you paranoid. | Feb 12 00:30 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: that is genuine good news. | Feb 12 00:30 |
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_goblin | if I was to say anything, I'd say you were jumping on the bandwagon of a fashionable stance. | Feb 12 00:31 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: you made some snide remarks above about aliens in the hills, who were they meant for? | Feb 12 00:31 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: yes, you would say that. | Feb 12 00:31 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: I've heard enough of that. let's leave it here. | Feb 12 00:31 |
_goblin | I said "I hope this is going to become..." | Feb 12 00:31 |
_goblin | remember you were not justifying anything you were saying.... | Feb 12 00:31 |
_goblin | you were just making claims. | Feb 12 00:31 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: fine, i'm an uninformed, clueless idiot; you made your point. | Feb 12 00:32 |
qu1j0t3 | now quit, this is done. | Feb 12 00:32 |
qu1j0t3 | you may address somebody else, like roved2101 who introduced the topic of drones | Feb 12 00:32 |
_goblin | Ok...fine its done, but I never called you a clueless idiot and you have the right to make your opinion. I just wish you'd debate it properly. | Feb 12 00:32 |
ThistleWeb | thanks for giving me an insight into the credibility of FurnaceBoy when I read the BN feeds | Feb 12 00:32 |
roved2101 | Thistleweb sheep are great you lead them up a garden path, as long as there is grass they fellow you anway even right of the cliff | Feb 12 00:33 |
sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: BN feeds? | Feb 12 00:33 |
ThistleWeb | rss feed with articles | Feb 12 00:33 |
_goblin | roved2101: I think you will find Sheep are quite capable of judging height/distance....thats why Sheep can live in higher altitudes without falling off cliffs too much..... | Feb 12 00:34 |
roved2101 | qu1j0t3 Im good at creating s**** storms | Feb 12 00:34 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: RSS for schestowitz blog enteries you mean or? | Feb 12 00:34 |
ThistleWeb | roy quotes several sources, from IRC, twitter, identica and email | Feb 12 00:34 |
ThistleWeb | I've seen FurnaceBoy been mentioned a few times, along with others in here | Feb 12 00:34 |
roved2101 | _goblin but they love their shepherd | Feb 12 00:34 |
_goblin | do they.? why does he need a sheepdog then? | Feb 12 00:35 |
ThistleWeb | tonights convo added a new level of insight into credibility | Feb 12 00:35 |
roved2101 | _goblin and in some cases their shepherd even dropped nukes on them to see what would happen. The sheep just went about their daily lives. | Feb 12 00:35 |
_goblin | thats not a style of farming Ive ever seen...but you live and learn. | Feb 12 00:36 |
roved2101 | got to love government | Feb 12 00:36 |
ThistleWeb | between the tinfoil hat and the l33t nick | Feb 12 00:36 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: what's your point? | Feb 12 00:36 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: which comment annoyed you? claiming to be more au courant than most yanks? That's pretty easy. | Feb 12 00:37 |
ThistleWeb | lol, you want me to pick out just one? | Feb 12 00:37 |
ThistleWeb | I'm not gonna waste my time | Feb 12 00:37 |
qu1j0t3 | not really. ok, you don't like me. now leave it. | Feb 12 00:37 |
qu1j0t3 | put me in /ignore | Feb 12 00:37 |
_goblin | I think much of the time people have these views to be fashionable......its a shame, because when there are real abuses in authority, its conversations like the ones here that are brought up to distract away from the truth.... | Feb 12 00:37 |
ThistleWeb | out of curiosity, why the different nick? | Feb 12 00:37 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: i told you. scroll back. | Feb 12 00:37 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: i don't hide my identity. | Feb 12 00:38 |
ThistleWeb | and why not tell peeps? | Feb 12 00:38 |
_goblin | big brother, | Feb 12 00:38 |
qu1j0t3 | accident. i have no interest in concealing my identity. | Feb 12 00:38 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: you can read all about me, i hide nothing | Feb 12 00:38 |
ThistleWeb | ahh, the point where sebsebseb whois'd you and told the channel, gotcha | Feb 12 00:38 |
_goblin | I have a drone in the US waiting to beam him out of his house. | Feb 12 00:38 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: I'd prefer we remain friends. what did I say to offend you so badly? | Feb 12 00:38 |
sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: no I didn't whois, just had the cursour over the name list, and there it was | Feb 12 00:38 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: I hope you accept that I don't use this nick to hide anything. | Feb 12 00:38 |
qu1j0t3 | it's just a plan B when nick clash on reconnect | Feb 12 00:39 |
ThistleWeb | ahh, it takes hours to notice the nick is on a different one and change | Feb 12 00:39 |
ThistleWeb | no worries | Feb 12 00:39 |
qu1j0t3 | in fact, this is my twitter feed that Roy syndicates, so it;s even more obvious | Feb 12 00:39 |
ThistleWeb | so similar | Feb 12 00:39 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: sorry, not intended to mislead. | Feb 12 00:39 |
_goblin | are you furnaceboy? | Feb 12 00:39 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: YES | Feb 12 00:39 |
_goblin | what happened to you? | Feb 12 00:40 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: my connection dropped overnight, reconnected as this | Feb 12 00:40 |
ThistleWeb | lol @ "no intention to mislead" | Feb 12 00:40 |
ThistleWeb | yeah, whatever | Feb 12 00:40 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: I use both, sigh, looks like ppl freak out and suspect i'm playing funny business. | Feb 12 00:40 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: you don't accept that? | Feb 12 00:40 |
ThistleWeb | no I don't | Feb 12 00:40 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: here am I trying to stay friends with you | Feb 12 00:40 |
_goblin | qulj0t3: no I don't mean that...... | Feb 12 00:40 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: jesus christ, well you need to. | Feb 12 00:40 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: the ONLY reason the nick changed was a reconnect | Feb 12 00:40 |
amarsh04 | schestowitz did you see these: (ACTA) http://www.itnews.com.au/News/166965,greens-push-for-transparency-on-secret-anti-piracy-talks.aspx | Feb 12 00:40 |
ThistleWeb | and you don't notice? | Feb 12 00:41 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: I don't hide anything. go check my whois | Feb 12 00:41 |
_goblin | qulj0t3: I mean you seemed sensible when ive spoken with you before...... | Feb 12 00:41 |
ThistleWeb | and you don't think "hey peeps know me as my original nick, I better change to it"? | Feb 12 00:41 |
amarsh04 | and "commecial software cheaper than free software" http://www.itnews.com.au/News/166884,open-source-not-free-senate-hears.aspx | Feb 12 00:41 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: if you're going to insist that I conceal my identity by using this nick, then well, I give up. | Feb 12 00:41 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: it's identical to the feed that Roy syndicates. | Feb 12 00:41 |
_goblin | qulj0t3: Im sure I had a decent converstation with furnaceboy.....whats happened? | Feb 12 00:41 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: eh? | Feb 12 00:41 |
ThistleWeb | I note you still haven't changed to the nick roy uses when he quotes you in his articles | Feb 12 00:41 |
_goblin | didn't I speak with you recently? | Feb 12 00:42 |
_goblin | (furnaceboy) | Feb 12 00:42 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: ROy quotes both | Feb 12 00:42 |
ThistleWeb | either way, no biggie.....I have no time for the tinfoil hat brigade | Feb 12 00:42 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: why are we even discussing this. | Feb 12 00:42 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: eh? | Feb 12 00:42 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: please point to a remark that bothered you | Feb 12 00:43 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: do you know the cases I was referring to, Arar and Khadr? | Feb 12 00:43 |
_goblin | come on qu1j0t3, why not just let it go and talk about something else...? | Feb 12 00:43 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: or Binyam Mohamed, for that matter | Feb 12 00:43 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: "tinfoil hat brigade" ? | Feb 12 00:43 |
_goblin | eh? | Feb 12 00:43 |
cubezzz | tinfoil hats are good :) | Feb 12 00:43 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: the Canadian Supreme Court is part of the tinfoil hat brigade now? | Feb 12 00:44 |
_goblin | eh? | Feb 12 00:44 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: ^^ | Feb 12 00:44 |
_goblin | are you reading something I am not typing? | Feb 12 00:44 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: n. | Feb 12 00:44 |
ThistleWeb | it was me who mentioned tinfoil hat brigade | Feb 12 00:44 |
ThistleWeb | not _goblin | Feb 12 00:44 |
qu1j0t3 | _goblin: referring to why I am asking ThistleWeb to cite an offensive remark | Feb 12 00:44 |
_goblin | Im glad....for a moment I thought Id lost it. | Feb 12 00:44 |
ThistleWeb | nah, the tinfoil got some interferenec | Feb 12 00:45 |
_goblin | ah | Feb 12 00:45 |
_goblin | damn Ballmer that is. | Feb 12 00:45 |
_goblin | Ive got mine back on.... | Feb 12 00:45 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: what was a remark that bothered you so much that you throw around phrases like this? | Feb 12 00:45 |
_goblin | he can't see me now. | Feb 12 00:45 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: presumably it wasn't the discussion of those cases | Feb 12 00:45 |
ThistleWeb | the whole convo is like "every govt employee is evil" | Feb 12 00:45 |
ThistleWeb | which is bullshit | Feb 12 00:45 |
qu1j0t3 | I didn't say that at ALL | Feb 12 00:45 |
qu1j0t3 | or even anything resembling it. | Feb 12 00:46 |
qu1j0t3 | I don't even believe that. | Feb 12 00:46 |
_goblin | sorry, I think ive slipped out of time.....I was engaging you in a discussion about covert observation..... | Feb 12 00:46 |
ThistleWeb | govts are like corp, a group of peeps | Feb 12 00:46 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: yes, I agree | Feb 12 00:46 |
ThistleWeb | some of whom will be scumbags | Feb 12 00:46 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: yes. | Feb 12 00:46 |
_goblin | hooray! | Feb 12 00:46 |
ThistleWeb | doing stuff they shouldnt | Feb 12 00:46 |
ThistleWeb | doing stuff against policy | Feb 12 00:46 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: can we just say friends then? you seem to have mistaken something I wrote. | Feb 12 00:46 |
ThistleWeb | in some cases the culture means nobody will pick them up on it | Feb 12 00:47 |
ThistleWeb | but it's still not policy | Feb 12 00:47 |
cubezzz | ah, are you guys talking about a specific government, or just governments in general? | Feb 12 00:47 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: I'm not "anti-government", if that 's where you think I was heading | Feb 12 00:48 |
_goblin | Ive no clue anymore.... | Feb 12 00:48 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: I knowplenty of americans who are, though | Feb 12 00:48 |
roved2101 | governments in general | Feb 12 00:48 |
ThistleWeb | for me it was govts in general | Feb 12 00:48 |
roved2101 | particularly the US and UK | Feb 12 00:48 |
ThistleWeb | gotta reboot, brb hopefully | Feb 12 00:48 |
MinceR | http://gajitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/fry-an-egg-on-laptop.jpg | Feb 12 00:48 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Feb 12 00:48 |
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_goblin | lets talk about something else....... | Feb 12 00:48 |
qu1j0t3 | +1 | Feb 12 00:49 |
_goblin | How about...... | Feb 12 00:49 |
qu1j0t3 | pizza | Feb 12 00:49 |
sebsebseb | MinceR: two of the old light bulbs, in a cooker type thing, will cook a chicken | Feb 12 00:49 |
_goblin | Luton Town FC | Feb 12 00:49 |
sebsebseb | MinceR: I watched something on TV that showed that | Feb 12 00:49 |
_goblin | Luton Town? | Feb 12 00:49 |
MinceR | _goblin: and now, for something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT... | Feb 12 00:49 |
MinceR | It's... | Feb 12 00:49 |
sebsebseb | as well as an experiment where they used loads of cycleists to power a house for a day | Feb 12 00:49 |
qu1j0t3 | the SPanish Inquisition! | Feb 12 00:49 |
MinceR | i didn't expect that | Feb 12 00:50 |
*qu1j0t3 chuckles | Feb 12 00:50 | |
roved2101 | qu1j0t3 yeah | Feb 12 00:50 |
_goblin | I had a very decent phone conversation with Jono today... | Feb 12 00:50 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: football not much of a fan here | Feb 12 00:50 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: uh yesterday as of like 45 minutes ago> | Feb 12 00:50 |
sebsebseb | ? | Feb 12 00:50 |
_goblin | oh yeah... | Feb 12 00:50 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: it's still the same day for him though | Feb 12 00:50 |
_goblin | Its surprising how things in text form can get distorted over time.... | Feb 12 00:51 |
roved2101 | _goblin you did? | Feb 12 00:51 |
_goblin | yeah....discussed many topics.... | Feb 12 00:51 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: what you mean distorted? misunderstood? | Feb 12 00:51 |
_goblin | yeah in a nutshell | Feb 12 00:51 |
roved2101 | ohh | Feb 12 00:51 |
roved2101 | and ?? | Feb 12 00:51 |
_goblin | I left the conversation feeling very different about Canonicals direction. | Feb 12 00:51 |
_goblin | I think on both sides on the argument things have gone too far...that the pro and the anti (Mono) for example... | Feb 12 00:52 |
roved2101 | so whens ubuntu going to just work like say mandy without many major headaches do to stupid in house practices that have nothing to with upstream | Feb 12 00:52 |
_goblin | its just worked for everyone I recommended it to. | Feb 12 00:53 |
roved2101 | lol | Feb 12 00:53 |
_goblin | and myself on two rigs. | Feb 12 00:53 |
_goblin | 8.04 and 9.10 | Feb 12 00:53 |
roved2101 | sebsebseb: where should we start | Feb 12 00:53 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: I have already put negative Ubuntu stuff here before a bit of it, like other people here | Feb 12 00:54 |
_goblin | I think I was far too hasty with my judgement of Canonical's direction. | Feb 12 00:54 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: I think jono probably found it hard to deal with you when you got in to a convo about it with him, I mean as far as I know he has to say the right stuff, as in a professional type way | Feb 12 00:55 |
roved2101 | really | Feb 12 00:55 |
_goblin | sebsebseb: the conversation was not like that. | Feb 12 00:55 |
roved2101 | Canonical is a business so they will look after the business | Feb 12 00:55 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: I mean the two that happended in here recently | Feb 12 00:56 |
sebsebseb | meant | Feb 12 00:56 |
roved2101 | but bad packaging and patching is just off | Feb 12 00:56 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Boy, I hate #irc. Or is it just that people suck? | Feb 12 00:56 | |
cubezzz | ? | Feb 12 00:56 |
_goblin | Ive never had issues with Ubuntu....oh I had a little popping sound issue with 9.10 but it was easy fixed. | Feb 12 00:57 |
roved2101 | I couldnt use 9.04 and 9.10 due to samba issues and not seeing shares | Feb 12 00:57 |
sebsebseb | I had no working sound in Virtualbox OSE | Feb 12 00:57 |
sebsebseb | for VM's | Feb 12 00:57 |
sebsebseb | in 9.10 and Mandriva, but | Feb 12 00:57 |
sebsebseb | all I had to do to get it working in Mandriva, was go into the control centre and disable pulse audio, which is easy | Feb 12 00:57 |
_goblin | Now Mandriva....Ive yet to use a release without problems.... | Feb 12 00:57 |
sebsebseb | now I can listen to music on the host and have sound in the vm's :) | Feb 12 00:57 |
sebsebseb | good luck trying to disable pulseaudio or removing it without issues with Ubuntu | Feb 12 00:57 |
_goblin | the last time I swore Id ever use it. | Feb 12 00:58 |
_goblin | *never | Feb 12 00:58 |
roved2101 | _goblin nothings perfect but main things like cups was played with main release and then poppler had to be rolled back because it broke | Feb 12 00:58 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: poppler? | Feb 12 00:59 |
roved2101 | my wife likes to prints and be able to access her shares. | Feb 12 00:59 |
roved2101 | these are main things | Feb 12 00:59 |
roved2101 | there is more | Feb 12 00:59 |
_goblin | its funny, some people swear Mandriva is the greatest and Ive had nothing but issues....9.10 on this rig has been pretty much flawless. | Feb 12 01:00 |
roved2101 | and she should havent have sshfs | Feb 12 01:00 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: http://poppler.freedesktop.org/ | Feb 12 01:00 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Poppler .::. Size~: 4.64 KB | Feb 12 01:00 |
_goblin | except for Brasero....but that, I believe is Brasero's problem not Ubuntu. | Feb 12 01:00 |
roved2101 | yer that was in 9.04 yer for me | Feb 12 01:01 |
_goblin | mounting prob? | Feb 12 01:01 |
_goblin | and unmounting? | Feb 12 01:01 |
roved2101 | auto detect speed wouldnt work for me | Feb 12 01:01 |
_goblin | ah..... | Feb 12 01:01 |
_goblin | I solved it by switching to K3b | Feb 12 01:01 |
roved2101 | lol | Feb 12 01:02 |
_goblin | I would have liked to see NBR ship with Chromium......I think its stable enough now. | Feb 12 01:03 |
roved2101 | I can handle so obscure thing broken but not main things | Feb 12 01:03 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: I read that it will come with Chromium not Firefox | Feb 12 01:03 |
roved2101 | plus their is the ext4 but that seems to be affecting everyone | Feb 12 01:03 |
_goblin | really? | Feb 12 01:03 |
sebsebseb | jono: Will it come with Chromium ? | Feb 12 01:03 |
_goblin | Ill look on the site..... | Feb 12 01:04 |
_goblin | The features Ive seen on various blogs/site use the word "could" not is....that might have changed now... | Feb 12 01:05 |
_goblin | can't find any references to Chromium......hope you're right though sebsebseb | Feb 12 01:07 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "idea of Innovation & Innovation Systems is a distraction. Success in the market is better scorecard" Clear why Berkus didn't fit #Microsoft | Feb 12 01:08 | |
sebsebseb | _goblin: apparnatly chromeium since more lite waight | Feb 12 01:08 |
sebsebseb | I think it's best to support Firefox | Feb 12 01:09 |
sebsebseb | at the moment | Feb 12 01:09 |
sebsebseb | Google stuff is over hyped | Feb 12 01:09 |
sebsebseb | just like Ubuntu is really | Feb 12 01:09 |
sebsebseb | well Ubuntu is under hyped really, since it hasn't gained a proper market share yet 10% or more | Feb 12 01:10 |
_goblin | Id personally say Chromium......fantastic browser. | Feb 12 01:10 |
sebsebseb | that's the open source one :) | Feb 12 01:10 |
_goblin | yeah | Feb 12 01:10 |
sebsebseb | Chrome reports info back to Google apparnatly | Feb 12 01:10 |
sebsebseb | or wahtever | Feb 12 01:10 |
_goblin | having said that....stand by..... | Feb 12 01:10 |
_goblin | On my system here I have: | Feb 12 01:10 |
_goblin | Chromium 5.0.323.0 | Feb 12 01:11 |
_goblin | Chrome 4.0.249.43 | Feb 12 01:11 |
_goblin | and Firefox 3.5.7 | Feb 12 01:11 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: I thought Chrome 4.0 | Feb 12 01:11 |
sebsebseb | was Windows only | Feb 12 01:11 |
_goblin | Ive found no noticeable difference between Chrome/Chromium | Feb 12 01:12 |
sebsebseb | well maybe they came out with a Linux version recently | Feb 12 01:12 |
_goblin | yeah its now native Linux! | Feb 12 01:12 |
sebsebseb | Google are using open source, and then making their own product | Feb 12 01:12 |
sebsebseb | Chrome OS will use portage | Feb 12 01:12 |
qu1j0t3 | good move | Feb 12 01:12 |
sebsebseb | I gave this link out earlier | Feb 12 01:13 |
_goblin | like I say though, in terms of a desktop browser its great.....infact I "found" chrome as a result of having to use an XP netbook and needing a light quick browser that wasn't IE. | Feb 12 01:13 |
qu1j0t3 | i've reluctantly had to abandon Firefox on three platforms | Feb 12 01:13 |
sebsebseb | well... | Feb 12 01:13 |
_goblin | yeah, I still have it as a backup (and the odd blast of Quake Live) | Feb 12 01:13 |
sebsebseb | no it's the one schestowitz gave out | Feb 12 01:13 |
sebsebseb | well his url thing for it | Feb 12 01:14 |
qu1j0t3 | a lot of ppl say the only thing keeping them with Firefox is Firebug | Feb 12 01:14 |
sebsebseb | it's one of the ones schestowitz gave out, except for that short url stuff | Feb 12 01:14 |
qu1j0t3 | or other plugins | Feb 12 01:14 |
roved2101 | the only thing keeping me with firefox is google | Feb 12 01:14 |
qu1j0t3 | hehe | Feb 12 01:14 |
qu1j0t3 | roved2101: yeah, i probably won't go Chrome | Feb 12 01:14 |
sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/02/google-goes-with-gentoo-portag.html | Feb 12 01:14 |
roved2101 | google is evil | Feb 12 01:14 |
roved2101 | got it!!! good | Feb 12 01:15 |
roved2101 | lol | Feb 12 01:15 |
sebsebseb | roved2101 is Evil! | Feb 12 01:15 |
_goblin | I think everythings evil......its to what degree... | Feb 12 01:15 |
roved2101 | goblins are evil | Feb 12 01:15 |
_goblin | no they are not.... | Feb 12 01:15 |
_goblin | Harry Potter? | Feb 12 01:16 |
roved2101 | lol | Feb 12 01:16 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: cool | Feb 12 01:16 |
roved2101 | Lord the rings | Feb 12 01:16 |
_goblin | They were orc | Feb 12 01:16 |
roved2101 | and goblins | Feb 12 01:16 |
_goblin | big difference | Feb 12 01:16 |
sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: the arch one is meant to be the best though | Feb 12 01:16 |
sebsebseb | is apparnatly the best | Feb 12 01:16 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: there are similarities | Feb 12 01:16 |
qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: tho i haven't used arch. just understand that the rolling upgrade thing is possible with Arch too | Feb 12 01:17 |
sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: I vm'd arch a guy helped me set up the very basics | Feb 12 01:17 |
sebsebseb | ,but then | Feb 12 01:17 |
qu1j0t3 | i don't look for "best" | Feb 12 01:17 |
sebsebseb | when I try to load it up properly the vm closes down | Feb 12 01:17 |
sebsebseb | something to do with the kernel or whatever | Feb 12 01:17 |
qu1j0t3 | there is rarely a "best" in any category :) | Feb 12 01:17 |
qu1j0t3 | there is a "works great for me" though | Feb 12 01:17 |
_goblin | roved2101: I thought I was right....in Lord of the rings there were no goblins.....you'll have to wait for the Hobbit film to see them.... | Feb 12 01:17 |
roved2101 | in the books | Feb 12 01:17 |
qu1j0t3 | are there goblins in The Hobbit? it's about 30 years since I read it, so I don't recall.. | Feb 12 01:18 |
_goblin | I believe in the caves where Bilbo found the ring.... | Feb 12 01:18 |
qu1j0t3 | hm. | Feb 12 01:18 |
_goblin | in the book that is. | Feb 12 01:18 |
_goblin | Bilbo used the ring to escape.... | Feb 12 01:18 |
_goblin | if memory serves. | Feb 12 01:18 |
roved2101 | evil things | Feb 12 01:18 |
roved2101 | lol | Feb 12 01:18 |
qu1j0t3 | roved2101: delicious pan-fried with garlic and spring onions | Feb 12 01:18 |
roved2101 | mmmmm | Feb 12 01:19 |
roved2101 | tasty | Feb 12 01:19 |
qu1j0t3 | roved2101: suggested accompaniment, a nice Chianti | Feb 12 01:19 |
roved2101 | _goblin http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Goblin | Feb 12 01:19 |
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_goblin | yeah....thats before the film though...... | Feb 12 01:20 |
_goblin | there were goblins in the book of silmarillion | Feb 12 01:20 |
_goblin | and the rise of Sauron (I believe) | Feb 12 01:20 |
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roved2101 | harry potter is evil _goblin | Feb 12 01:21 |
_goblin | Misty mountains is where Golum and the ring were....but you don't get to see the goblins until the Hobbit book.... | Feb 12 01:21 |
_goblin | roved2101: I'll agree there... | Feb 12 01:21 |
qu1j0t3 | ThistleWeb: so come on, truce? | Feb 12 01:21 |
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ThistleWeb | lost interest | Feb 12 01:22 |
FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: in a truce? | Feb 12 01:22 |
FurnaceBoy | or in a fight? | Feb 12 01:22 |
FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 12 01:22 |
ThistleWeb | but now fed, so theres one good thing | Feb 12 01:22 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: Thanks for Poppler link by the way | Feb 12 01:23 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: yeah i had to borrow some code from it a few months ago | Feb 12 01:23 |
sebsebseb | for what? | Feb 12 01:23 |
FurnaceBoy | Adobe's default latin encoding stuff | Feb 12 01:23 |
sebsebseb | Harry Potter is not evil | Feb 12 01:23 |
sebsebseb | all that Harry Potter stuff has made a lot of money though | Feb 12 01:24 |
FurnaceBoy | that's an understatement :) | Feb 12 01:24 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Most places you look, quality is inversely dependent on market share. Hmmmmm | Feb 12 01:24 | |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: that's like saying, it's not true what I put, or only half true? | Feb 12 01:25 |
FurnaceBoy | neither | Feb 12 01:26 |
FurnaceBoy | hm, _goblin you're a smart guy, help me define "understatement" | Feb 12 01:26 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: hm, it means, you could have put it a lot more strongly ... like falling short in emphasis | Feb 12 01:27 |
sebsebseb | falilng short in emphasis? more strongly yeah maybe this :D HARRY POTTER IS NOT EVIL! | Feb 12 01:27 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: like, it's made *gargantuan* amounts of money. :) | Feb 12 01:27 |
sebsebseb | or bold except can't do that on IRC | Feb 12 01:27 |
sebsebseb | that Emma Watson won't have to work again | Feb 12 01:28 |
sebsebseb | when she has done last Harry Potter film I guess hrm | Feb 12 01:28 |
sebsebseb | and she was rather rich before she was 18 | Feb 12 01:28 |
FurnaceBoy | it's easier to write books when you don't have a day job. | Feb 12 01:29 |
sebsebseb | it's easy to spend time on IRC | Feb 12 01:29 |
sebsebseb | and a lot of it | Feb 12 01:29 |
cubezzz | BOLD | Feb 12 01:29 |
sebsebseb | when don't have a day job | Feb 12 01:29 |
cubezzz | ;-) | Feb 12 01:29 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: oh how you do that | Feb 12 01:29 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: oh, I was meaning Rowling. | Feb 12 01:29 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: yeah but nice jackpot for Watson -- but money can be very bad for the character :) | Feb 12 01:29 |
cubezzz | ctrl-b before you type | Feb 12 01:29 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: What do you mean very bad for the character? | Feb 12 01:30 |
sebsebseb | no don't think that will work on my client | Feb 12 01:30 |
cubezzz | which client? | Feb 12 01:30 |
sebsebseb | Konversation | Feb 12 01:30 |
sebsebseb | that no I don't think message was me trying it by the way | Feb 12 01:31 |
sebsebseb | or maybe I pressed wrong button, anywa it does not work | Feb 12 01:31 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: well let's see, that kind of , uh, freedom does not always lead people into good places. examples abound; one could look at the sons of famous dictators, as oft-cited examples | Feb 12 01:31 |
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FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: not that i'm really saying Emma Watson will end up there | Feb 12 01:32 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: just that a windfall is not always a blessing :) | Feb 12 01:32 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: having lots of money might turn someone into a right arse hole, that's the kind of thing your saying? | Feb 12 01:32 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: well, sort of. | Feb 12 01:32 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: maybe it amplifies one's character | Feb 12 01:32 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tuesday’s patches make #WindowsXP unbootable or prone to blue screens of death for some clients http://ur1.ca/m4kp | Feb 12 01:32 | |
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FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: I wouldn't know ;-) | Feb 12 01:32 |
cubezzz2 | yeah each client is different | Feb 12 01:32 |
_goblin | furnaceboy: sorry afk.... | Feb 12 01:33 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: hrm that notice | Feb 12 01:33 |
cubezzz2 | in the old days I'd use mirc | Feb 12 01:33 |
sebsebseb | well that's not good if updates and then blue screen of death | Feb 12 01:33 |
cubezzz2 | you could underline and a bunch of other stuff | Feb 12 01:33 |
sebsebseb | or updates and XP won't boot up | Feb 12 01:33 |
sebsebseb | shame it will be a few years or more yet, before ReactOS can properly compete against Windows | Feb 12 01:33 |
sebsebseb | and by then it might not really matter much anymore | Feb 12 01:33 |
cubezzz2 | yeah doze might be dead :) | Feb 12 01:34 |
sebsebseb | ,because mobile computing will have hit off, so quite a few differnet OS's | Feb 12 01:34 |
sebsebseb | mobile computing will have probably hit off above | Feb 12 01:34 |
cubezzz2 | but then, like New Coke, New Doze will arrive :) | Feb 12 01:34 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz2: too late | Feb 12 01:34 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Apparently, the Andromeda galaxy is an atheist plot. http://is.gd/8cfCT http://is.gd/8cfHZ http://is.gd/8cf9x | Feb 12 01:34 | |
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FurnaceBoy | cubezzz2: HEY! why are you hiding behind this nick! | Feb 12 01:34 |
sebsebseb | anyway that link schestowitz just gave I want to see that | Feb 12 01:34 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz2: are you really cubezzz ! | Feb 12 01:34 |
sebsebseb | the XP one | Feb 12 01:34 |
cubezzz2 | sebsebseb, try before you type | Feb 12 01:35 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz2: what kind of trick are you pulling ! | Feb 12 01:35 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz2: what? | Feb 12 01:35 |
cubezzz2 | doh | Feb 12 01:35 |
cubezzz2 | try % B without the space before you type | Feb 12 01:35 |
sebsebseb | test | Feb 12 01:35 |
cubezzz2 | OH YEAH | Feb 12 01:36 |
cubezzz2 | ;-) | Feb 12 01:36 |
_goblin | furnaceboy: lol...smart? I know my subjects you know yours.....(sorry about the delayed reply, afk, father duties) | Feb 12 01:36 |
cubezzz2 | yeah I'm cubezzz, was just experimenting there and booted myself | Feb 12 01:36 |
sebsebseb | this doesn't really show how it would normalley for me though at the moment, since I decided that I wanted all my messages in blue | Feb 12 01:36 |
FurnaceBoy | _goblin: can you give a good definition of "understatement" | Feb 12 01:36 |
_goblin | to under..... | Feb 12 01:37 |
cubezzz2 | %Kwhat about this? | Feb 12 01:37 |
_goblin | to ...... | Feb 12 01:37 |
cubezzz2 | ah, didn't work | Feb 12 01:37 |
cubezzz2 | ok, maybe this is a bad idea :) | Feb 12 01:37 |
_goblin | to undervalue the true worth - how about that? | Feb 12 01:37 |
sebsebseb | %u test | Feb 12 01:37 |
cubezzz2 | capital U | Feb 12 01:37 |
_goblin | how did I do? | Feb 12 01:38 |
sebsebseb | test | Feb 12 01:38 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb | all that Harry Potter stuff has made a lot of money though | Feb 12 01:38 |
FurnaceBoy | FurnaceBoy | that's an understatement :) | Feb 12 01:38 |
sebsebseb | test | Feb 12 01:38 |
sebsebseb | test | Feb 12 01:38 |
sebsebseb | yep b i and u | Feb 12 01:38 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz2: some people really like there coloured text an such | Feb 12 01:38 |
FurnaceBoy | _goblin: undervalue doesn't describe what sebsebseb did here | Feb 12 01:38 |
FurnaceBoy | _goblin: he under-stated something; but how to rephrase this? surprisingly tricky. | Feb 12 01:39 |
sebsebseb | Harry Potter is part of consumerism | Feb 12 01:39 |
cubezzz2 | Doze really sux | Feb 12 01:39 |
sebsebseb | big time | Feb 12 01:39 |
_goblin | no but if something has a value...ie to say harry potter has made money is an understatement...its stating a fact which is grossly less than its true value..... | Feb 12 01:39 |
sebsebseb | anyway not seen the others in the cinema, so this last one I got to really | Feb 12 01:39 |
sebsebseb | however that would mean I would be sitting in a room full of Windows users LOL | Feb 12 01:40 |
sebsebseb | people who use it, because they don't know better | Feb 12 01:40 |
roved2101 | I feel dizzy | Feb 12 01:40 |
_goblin | to say Im Paris Hilton's ideal man is a understatement.... | Feb 12 01:40 |
cubezzz2 | ok, coloured text is possible :) | Feb 12 01:40 |
sebsebseb | consumerism yeah | Feb 12 01:40 |
sebsebseb | that's why Windows is here in the first place | Feb 12 01:40 |
sebsebseb | and so popular | Feb 12 01:40 |
roved2101 | _goblin why sink so low | Feb 12 01:40 |
_goblin | sebsebseb: why because of Paris Hilton? | Feb 12 01:40 |
_goblin | and to roved2101? | Feb 12 01:41 |
_goblin | Paris is a linux user you know. | Feb 12 01:41 |
sebsebseb | it's not that bad really consuerism I guess, except for when it comes to stuff such as computer software as in Windows etc. and well buying a house and such will be expensive | Feb 12 01:41 |
cubezzz2 | Paris on Star Trek? :) | Feb 12 01:41 |
roved2101 | _goblin the depths of despair we go to | Feb 12 01:41 |
_goblin | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2006/08/paris-hilton-tinkerbell-linux.html | Feb 12 01:41 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: BBspot - Paris Hilton Releases Tinkerbell Linux .::. Size~: 22.47 KB | Feb 12 01:41 |
_goblin | told you. | Feb 12 01:41 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: by the way aren't you normalley in bed at this time? | Feb 12 01:42 |
_goblin | 137....yeah | Feb 12 01:42 |
_goblin | but I have a three day weekend and Im on teething duty so the wife can get a good nights sleep. | Feb 12 01:42 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: no work/college/university in the day? | Feb 12 01:42 |
cubezzz2 | _goblin doesn't sleep :) | Feb 12 01:42 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: so the Jono phone call uhmmm what kind of stuff was said, how come your veiws changed? | Feb 12 01:43 |
_goblin | and this is the little beggar who is teething: http://www.twitpic.com/l4q5a | Feb 12 01:43 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: My son in high spirits after removing MONO from his favorite ... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 8.98 KB | Feb 12 01:43 |
roved2101 | _goblin is that for real | Feb 12 01:44 |
sebsebseb | if I was on the phone with Steve Ballmer, I might think of Microsoft more positvely, heh heh | Feb 12 01:44 |
_goblin | yeah..... | Feb 12 01:44 |
_goblin | and notice how Indiana Gregg (the singer) thinks hes cute! | Feb 12 01:44 |
_goblin | she commented on my account.....Ive had conversations with her. | Feb 12 01:44 |
_goblin | sebsebseb: I am a professional judge of character......he made sense and put to bed many of my issues and concerns. | Feb 12 01:46 |
cubezzz2 | if you became a billionaire from MSFT you would also think of Microsoft more positively | Feb 12 01:46 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: oh, weak human you are. :) | Feb 12 01:46 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: what? | Feb 12 01:47 |
_goblin | yes, but Im above bribery....look at my blog....I say what I think. | Feb 12 01:47 |
cubezzz2 | damn, that's a lot of money | Feb 12 01:47 |
sebsebseb | the Steve Ballmer thing was a joke | Feb 12 01:47 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: i know, only teasing | Feb 12 01:47 |
FurnaceBoy | but really, principles don't matter a damn. profit is the only virtuous goal | Feb 12 01:48 |
cubezzz2 | just a green experiment | Feb 12 01:48 |
roved2101 | wow 36c global warming in summer | Feb 12 01:49 |
_goblin | I think the "moral" is to draw a line between MS distrust people may have and Canonical.....they are two separate subjects....I think...well I think alot, so Im writing it on my blog....the conversation was just an informal chat and most of it was private as it was to do with personal subjects......what I can say is that I think I was far too hasty in my fears about Ubuntu. | Feb 12 01:50 |
_goblin | and that sometimes, (like I accuse others of) a desire to protect that which you praise can become distorted by an unrealistic fear.... | Feb 12 01:51 |
_goblin | with the best of intentions.... | Feb 12 01:51 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #unicode is a basic human write | Feb 12 01:51 | |
_goblin | Having said that my views on MS, Mono & Novell have not changed, merely my appreciation of Ubuntu's place in the Linux world and its future. | Feb 12 01:54 |
_goblin | although Im still miffed about GIMP going since a planned deployment is going to be made more difficult.... | Feb 12 01:55 |
_goblin | Anyway talking of GIMP, is there anyone here who has any info on a rumoured GIMPlight? | Feb 12 01:56 |
sebsebseb | planned deplyoment of GImp will be more difficult? | Feb 12 01:56 |
sebsebseb | gimplight no idea, but single window mode, well already something that can be tried for that if I remember correctly | Feb 12 01:56 |
_goblin | yeah....I had hoped to put it onto a load of work laptops.....they have not got (nor ever will have) net connection..... | Feb 12 01:56 |
_goblin | so I can't just get it from the software center..... | Feb 12 01:57 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: you here noticed a mistake in your XP link that you should change | Feb 12 01:57 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@spotlightcity This speech is way too heavy, way too heavy #haihaito // the trick with giving speeches is to throw away page 2! #toronto | Feb 12 01:57 | |
sebsebseb | _goblin: by the way there's a Hannah Montana Linux based on Kubuntu | Feb 12 01:59 |
_goblin | lol... | Feb 12 01:59 |
_goblin | really? | Feb 12 01:59 |
sebsebseb | that's old news now | Feb 12 01:59 |
sebsebseb | and yes | Feb 12 01:59 |
sebsebseb | you can/coud download an ISO | Feb 12 02:00 |
_goblin | I think my lad is too young for Hannah Montana..... | Feb 12 02:00 |
sebsebseb | it came out last year | Feb 12 02:00 |
sebsebseb | I think my little brother is to young for the me menu | Feb 12 02:00 |
sebsebseb | so that's something to remove when it goes 10.04 in his account | Feb 12 02:00 |
sebsebseb | and then go into gconf myself and get icons back in the system menu | Feb 12 02:01 |
sebsebseb | and what was removed in places, that's right that's gone as well the interface thing | Feb 12 02:01 |
_goblin | I think we need a Paris Hilton Linux..... ;) | Feb 12 02:01 |
_goblin | Hiltux | Feb 12 02:01 |
roved2101 | _goblin we need and Obama Linux lol | Feb 12 02:01 |
_goblin | Obama doesn't appeal to me in the same way....sorry. | Feb 12 02:01 |
roved2101 | and he'll use his power to violate the gpl | Feb 12 02:02 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: This 10.04 | Feb 12 02:02 |
sebsebseb | it seems won't replace | Feb 12 02:02 |
sebsebseb | 8.10 or 9.04 propelry for me | Feb 12 02:02 |
sebsebseb | those two are great releasses | Feb 12 02:02 |
_goblin | roved2101: I may get flamed for this, but I think Obama seems a decent chap. | Feb 12 02:02 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: where is Ubuntu heading, well they are trying to gain the average consumer over as far as I know | Feb 12 02:03 |
cubezzz2 | I think he is decent too | Feb 12 02:03 |
_goblin | 8.04 I found better than 8.10 | Feb 12 02:03 |
_goblin | 9.04 - decent | Feb 12 02:03 |
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sebsebseb | 9.10 not that good at all | Feb 12 02:03 |
_goblin | 9.10 - very impressed (especially boot/shutdown times) | Feb 12 02:03 |
sebsebseb | oh my lol | Feb 12 02:03 |
sebsebseb | Mandriva very impressed for boot up and shut down | Feb 12 02:04 |
sebsebseb | oh yes | Feb 12 02:04 |
sebsebseb | really nice plymouth | Feb 12 02:04 |
sebsebseb | thing | Feb 12 02:04 |
_goblin | Mandriva - #fail for me. | Feb 12 02:04 |
sebsebseb | I can have the graphical boot up, or press esc for text mode | Feb 12 02:04 |
sebsebseb | verbose mode as it's called | Feb 12 02:04 |
sebsebseb | 9.10 it's like | Feb 12 02:04 |
sebsebseb | well that white Ubuntu logo in the centre of the screen is a joke | Feb 12 02:04 |
roved2101 | _goblin you sickp | Feb 12 02:04 |
_goblin | ? | Feb 12 02:04 |
sebsebseb | the Kubuntu one is better | Feb 12 02:05 |
sebsebseb | just ilke KDM is now actsaully decant | Feb 12 02:05 |
_goblin | never liked KDE | Feb 12 02:05 |
sebsebseb | unlike before, and now GDM has gone bad instead | Feb 12 02:05 |
roved2101 | _goblin Obama just needs us to show us his neocon strings | Feb 12 02:05 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: I do Gnome with a bit of KDE stuff usuealley | Feb 12 02:05 |
sebsebseb | GDM is ugly in 9.10 | Feb 12 02:05 |
sebsebseb | it really is | Feb 12 02:05 |
sebsebseb | and the boot up is pathetic | Feb 12 02:05 |
roved2101 | _goblin Mandriva provide gnome and kde live iso | Feb 12 02:05 |
_goblin | I was saying to Jono...I sometimes think I have a slackware distro on my main rig to convince myself Im l33t | Feb 12 02:05 |
sebsebseb | also if you had done 9.04 with Ext4, then you would of got a proper improement when it comes to boot up | Feb 12 02:06 |
_goblin | Ubuntu (and to be fair Fedora and a plethora of others) are rock solid. | Feb 12 02:06 |
sebsebseb | Mandriva I had a few little bugs, but it's a great distro | Feb 12 02:06 |
_goblin | having said that, my Wolvix does fly.....however its not the one the family will use..... | Feb 12 02:06 |
sebsebseb | comes with a nice Mandriva Control Centre, instead of some silly Ubuntu One etc | Feb 12 02:07 |
sebsebseb | yeah I still got Ubuntu on the family computer | Feb 12 02:07 |
sebsebseb | that might go Mandriva eventaulley | Feb 12 02:07 |
_goblin | I like Ubuntu One...Ive liked it since I started using it. | Feb 12 02:07 |
roved2101 | y11a3r | Feb 12 02:07 |
_goblin | Wrote about it on my blog many many months ago now......was impressed then. | Feb 12 02:07 |
sebsebseb | for my own personal computer useage, it seems they are adding nothing that I want, that I can't get in other distros | Feb 12 02:08 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: what's that? | Feb 12 02:08 |
roved2101 | y0u s36s36s36 | Feb 12 02:08 |
_goblin | yes but then Ubuntu is not the worst offender of adding things I don't want...... | Feb 12 02:08 |
roved2101 | lol | Feb 12 02:08 |
_goblin | then winner of the most pointless duplication and utils is.......... | Feb 12 02:08 |
roved2101 | If I want to custom mandy the I get to dual iso | Feb 12 02:09 |
_goblin | #!cbl | Feb 12 02:09 |
roved2101 | otherwise it the live one ISO's | Feb 12 02:09 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: what? | Feb 12 02:09 |
roved2101 | I think Im going back to kde 4 now | Feb 12 02:09 |
_goblin | sorry Crunchbang Linux | Feb 12 02:09 |
_goblin | it had more duplicates /clones in it than an episode of xfactor | Feb 12 02:10 |
sebsebseb | uhmm not sure what you mean exactly, copies of programs or oens that are similar? | Feb 12 02:10 |
sebsebseb | anyway it's just Ubuntu | Feb 12 02:10 |
_goblin | if memory serves....the version based of 8.10 had.... | Feb 12 02:10 |
sebsebseb | with OpenBox or whatever the wm is or whatever | Feb 12 02:10 |
_goblin | 3 IRC clients | Feb 12 02:10 |
sebsebseb | oh you want one app for a task? | Feb 12 02:10 |
_goblin | 2 browsers | Feb 12 02:11 |
_goblin | no 3 | Feb 12 02:11 |
_goblin | and I can't remember what else, but there was much duplication there. | Feb 12 02:11 |
roved2101 | ohhh | Feb 12 02:11 |
_goblin | RE: IRC - I think it had X-Chat, IRSSI and something else... | Feb 12 02:11 |
sebsebseb | Xchat I call noobchat | Feb 12 02:12 |
sebsebseb | since it's mainly noobs using it | Feb 12 02:12 |
_goblin | lol...Im using it at the moment! | Feb 12 02:12 |
_goblin | XChat-GNOME 0.26.1 | Feb 12 02:12 |
sebsebseb | well there are some more experienced users using it as well | Feb 12 02:12 |
sebsebseb | ,but | Feb 12 02:12 |
sebsebseb | it's really popular with the noobs | Feb 12 02:12 |
sebsebseb | so yeah noobchat | Feb 12 02:12 |
*FurnaceBoy uses weechat | Feb 12 02:13 | |
cubezzz2 | I've been using irc for over 20 years :) | Feb 12 02:13 |
_goblin | on my main rig I use IRSSI but I sometimes wonder if thats to convince myself Im l33t.... | Feb 12 02:13 |
*FurnaceBoy used to use x-chat but never really found a decent gui client | Feb 12 02:13 | |
_goblin | cubezzz2: For me I think 12 years.....I think it was around 98 I started. | Feb 12 02:13 |
_goblin | I do though remember being a compuserve customer, paying for the net by the hour...... | Feb 12 02:14 |
_goblin | and going back further....."Dawn Raid BBS" at 14k! | Feb 12 02:14 |
cubezzz2 | well, just plain chat has been around even longer | Feb 12 02:14 |
_goblin | and back even further, on the Spectrum the BBS type service which I believe was the first to offer online media (you could pay to download games onto tape) | Feb 12 02:15 |
cubezzz2 | irc I think started around 1988 | Feb 12 02:15 |
sebsebseb | BBS???? | Feb 12 02:15 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz2: yes.. unix talk, e.g... | Feb 12 02:16 |
_goblin | I wish I could remember that Spectrum service.... something ended in "tel" I think.... | Feb 12 02:16 |
sebsebseb | what's BBS? also what's spectrum serivce what does that mean? | Feb 12 02:16 |
*sebsebseb just about remembers dial up | Feb 12 02:16 | |
sebsebseb | 1p a minute 6pm to 6am | Feb 12 02:17 |
sebsebseb | 4p a minute in the day | Feb 12 02:17 |
*roved2101 thinks sebsebseb was born yesterday | Feb 12 02:17 | |
sebsebseb | and rather slow connection 56k or so | Feb 12 02:17 |
sebsebseb | where I live was one of the first with Broadband in this area :) | Feb 12 02:18 |
_goblin | I remember 1200bps | Feb 12 02:18 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: Bulletin Board Service | Feb 12 02:18 |
_goblin | infact no.... 300 | Feb 12 02:18 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: rack of modems | Feb 12 02:18 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: multi-user; chat, file transfer, bulletin board | Feb 12 02:18 |
_goblin | and the original acoustic coupler. | Feb 12 02:18 |
cubezzz2 | people still use dialup | Feb 12 02:18 |
*FurnaceBoy used dialup till about 2001 | Feb 12 02:18 | |
_goblin | atd <tel> | Feb 12 02:18 |
_goblin | ata for autoanswer | Feb 12 02:19 |
cubezzz2 | Toronto Freenet offers very low cost dialup accounts | Feb 12 02:19 |
_goblin | furnaceboy....I think I did too. | Feb 12 02:19 |
_goblin | around that time anyway. | Feb 12 02:19 |
cubezzz2 | the modem era kind of sucked though | Feb 12 02:20 |
_goblin | file sizes were smaller though....it was all relative. | Feb 12 02:20 |
cubezzz2 | although we now have "DSL modems" | Feb 12 02:20 |
sebsebseb | The Internet Explorer era (or whatever it's called) sucks | Feb 12 02:20 |
sebsebseb | ,but | Feb 12 02:20 |
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FurnaceBoy | _goblin: yeah arrival of adsl | Feb 12 02:20 |
sebsebseb | that's near an end now | Feb 12 02:20 |
sebsebseb | hi DaemonFC | Feb 12 02:20 |
sebsebseb | you have missed some interesting chats | Feb 12 02:20 |
DaemonFC | hello | Feb 12 02:21 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: welcome old buddy | Feb 12 02:21 |
_goblin | a little like money...in the "old days" you could go around the world with 10p.....shame was you only earnt 1p in a month. | Feb 12 02:21 |
DaemonFC | probably did | Feb 12 02:21 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: in the old days £1 was a lot | Feb 12 02:21 |
DaemonFC | quick question.....On boot it tells me it can't read the module vesafb.ko | Feb 12 02:21 |
DaemonFC | so nothing is malfunctioning, so what does this mean? | Feb 12 02:21 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: maybe you need to depmod -a | Feb 12 02:21 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: or even rebuild modules. is it your build? | Feb 12 02:21 |
_goblin | sebsebseb: yeah...it still is today.....Im lucky to find £1 in my wallet after the wife has been through it. | Feb 12 02:22 |
FurnaceBoy | _goblin: hahahaha | Feb 12 02:22 |
DaemonFC | nope, Ubuntu stock kernel, this one is out of karmic-proposed, but the last one was doing it too *shrug* | Feb 12 02:22 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: a lot of stuff is over a £1 today or just under | Feb 12 02:22 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: in that case, try google .. or depmod -a and hope for the best :) | Feb 12 02:22 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, The last time I needed to build a kernel was when they had _everything_ fucked up on Intrepid, and especially Jaunty | Feb 12 02:23 |
_goblin | I was having this convo with a twitter lady the other day......she was talking buying trainers for 80quid..... | Feb 12 02:23 |
_goblin | my last pair cost £10 | Feb 12 02:23 |
roved2101 | governments wanting to control cyberspace sucks | Feb 12 02:23 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: yeah £80 is quite a lot of trainers really | Feb 12 02:23 |
FurnaceBoy | roved2101: pretty funny, the Australian government just asked Google to censor YouTube for them. | Feb 12 02:23 |
sebsebseb | for not of above | Feb 12 02:23 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: maybe not for him since he is from there | Feb 12 02:24 |
_goblin | sebsebseb: can't remember what make they were. | Feb 12 02:24 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, snap crackle pop on Pulseaudio especially, but disabling tickless really seemed to help that a lot | Feb 12 02:24 |
FurnaceBoy | roved2101: ah, that's what you were referring to? | Feb 12 02:24 |
_goblin | Censorship is a strange issue..... | Feb 12 02:24 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I'm using tickless. i wish my cpu had proper cpufreq control, but it's a 1st gen P4 HT | Feb 12 02:25 |
DaemonFC | ewwww | Feb 12 02:25 |
FurnaceBoy | nice cpu, except for that, | Feb 12 02:25 |
DaemonFC | my condolences | Feb 12 02:25 |
DaemonFC | I had a Pentium 4 and hated it | Feb 12 02:25 |
FurnaceBoy | why? | Feb 12 02:25 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @achitnis: "Turn off Buzz" doesn't, it only stops displaying it. To stop it, follow these instructions http://is.gd/8cnti (via @purelynar | Feb 12 02:25 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: How to kill your Google Buzz - irsquared's posterous .::. Size~: 27.25 KB | Feb 12 02:25 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: he loes his Internet filter really :D heh heh | Feb 12 02:25 |
sebsebseb | loves | Feb 12 02:25 |
roved2101 | yes Furnaceboy | Feb 12 02:26 |
DaemonFC | the only thing I remember about it was that it ran hot and wasn't really that fast considering they had it clocked that high | Feb 12 02:26 |
FurnaceBoy | roved2101: is this more from Fred Nile and the religious lobby? | Feb 12 02:26 |
_goblin | %b How to kill BN chat 101 %b- Talk about wrestling. | Feb 12 02:26 |
_goblin | doh | Feb 12 02:26 |
FurnaceBoy | roved2101: they seem to have more sway in things than is sensible | Feb 12 02:26 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yeah i just wish i could speed it down. | Feb 12 02:26 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: can't be done properly on this model. | Feb 12 02:26 |
roved2101 | FurnaceBoy to some degree but more of Rudds endeavours to be like his friends in China. He just let the christian lobby be the fall boys | Feb 12 02:27 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, You'd expect some power out of a 3.73 Ghz processor | Feb 12 02:27 |
FurnaceBoy | roved2101: interesting. | Feb 12 02:27 |
DaemonFC | lol | Feb 12 02:27 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: well, it's fast enough. just hotter than i need. | Feb 12 02:27 |
_goblin | Something amazing happened to me today......... | Feb 12 02:27 |
FurnaceBoy | roved2101: Rudd's relationship with China is .. ewwww | Feb 12 02:27 |
FurnaceBoy | roved2101: a bit like Bill's | Feb 12 02:27 |
roved2101 | FurnaceBoy the NBN will be web 2.0 all controlled by the nazi government in australia | Feb 12 02:27 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, My 2.2 Ghz Athlon64 bested the 3.73 Ghz Pentium 4 Extreme Edition in most benchmarks | Feb 12 02:27 |
DaemonFC | that's just sad | Feb 12 02:28 |
roved2101 | oh did i call labor nazi | Feb 12 02:28 |
FurnaceBoy | roved2101: "How high, sirs?" | Feb 12 02:28 |
roved2101 | lol | Feb 12 02:28 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: NBN? | Feb 12 02:28 |
sebsebseb | uh | Feb 12 02:28 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: | Feb 12 02:28 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I like AMD | Feb 12 02:28 |
sebsebseb | what's NBN roved2101 ? | Feb 12 02:28 |
_goblin | me too. | Feb 12 02:28 |
roved2101 | sebsebseb: National Broadband Network | Feb 12 02:28 |
sebsebseb | oh ok | Feb 12 02:28 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, I started calling it my Pentium 4 Extremely bad purchase Edition | Feb 12 02:28 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 12 02:28 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I like the Niagara SPARCs even more though! | Feb 12 02:29 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: heh | Feb 12 02:29 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: one organisation or company that owns all the broadband connections? | Feb 12 02:29 |
roved2101 | yes | Feb 12 02:29 |
DaemonFC | even with a heat duct it was constantly over 90 degrees C | Feb 12 02:29 |
DaemonFC | !!!!!! | Feb 12 02:29 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: it's not like that for us in the UK I think? | Feb 12 02:29 |
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roved2101 | not just the infrastructure the whole lot sebsebseb | Feb 12 02:29 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: we don't have one organisation owning all the ISP's ? | Feb 12 02:29 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: well, it's a good workhorse... when it dies of Intel Heat Syndrome(R) I guess I'll try and find something speedsteppable for the same socket | Feb 12 02:29 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: mine is heat ducted | Feb 12 02:29 |
_goblin | but obviously nobody finds me interesting......I wrote "something amazing happened to me today........" to see how long it would take for someone to ask what it was.....noone did....so I can only conclude Im as popular a herpes. | Feb 12 02:29 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: but i don't think it gets over 50C | Feb 12 02:30 |
DaemonFC | The only thing a Pentium 4 got you is a space heater, and a need for a bigger PSU and more cooling | Feb 12 02:30 |
roved2101 | and then isp will connect to it but they all must go this route sebsebseb or no access | Feb 12 02:30 |
cubezzz2 | 67 C on my P3 currently :) | Feb 12 02:30 |
_goblin | sebsebseb: re: broadband.....not really. | Feb 12 02:30 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz2: it seems to be hard to get good cpu temp figures from linux | Feb 12 02:30 |
*FurnaceBoy tries gkrellm | Feb 12 02:30 | |
_goblin | sebsebseb: it depends on how you want to define "own" | Feb 12 02:30 |
cubezzz2 | FurnaceBoy, not at all | Feb 12 02:30 |
roved2101 | Oh its a hot normal summer day for once 37c | Feb 12 02:30 |
cubezzz2 | I wrote a bash script for it | Feb 12 02:30 |
FurnaceBoy | heh, yeah, bogus 21C | Feb 12 02:30 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: well our ISP's and such isn't like Aussieland? That's the main thing | Feb 12 02:31 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz2: gkrellm tells me 21C | Feb 12 02:31 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, I was not impressed with the Core 2 Duo either. By that I mean it was awesome vs. previous Intel CPUs I had owned, but it wasn't great | Feb 12 02:31 |
DaemonFC | I bought AMD again this time, probably no more Intel for me | Feb 12 02:31 |
_goblin | sebsebseb: no...but......I can see that coming..... | Feb 12 02:31 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: I guess you live some where where, the goverment controls it's people more so than other counteries | Feb 12 02:31 |
cubezzz2 | temp: +23.0C (limit = +60C, hysteresis = +50C) | Feb 12 02:31 |
cubezzz2 | Adapter: SMBus PIIX4 adapter at 0440 | Feb 12 02:31 |
cubezzz2 | Algorithm: Non-I2C SMBus adapter | Feb 12 02:31 |
cubezzz2 | temp: +66.0C (limit = +120.0C, hysteresis = +100.0C) | Feb 12 02:31 |
_goblin | sebsebseb: as people here know I am anti-filesharing, however with that in mind I don't agree that the DEB is either proportionate or practicle. | Feb 12 02:32 |
roved2101 | Kernel: Linux 2.6.32.7-desktop-69mib CPU[1]: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz@3000.000 MHz CPU[2]: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz@3000.000 MHz Mem/Use: 739708 kB/ 7824 kB XInfo: Screen #0: @ 1280x1024 pixels (342x271 millimeters) /24 bit Uptime: 4:53 | Feb 12 02:32 |
cubezzz2 | depends on which sensor you are reading FurnaceBoy | Feb 12 02:32 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: the DEB??? | Feb 12 02:32 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz2, Yes, the Pentium 3 was the last passable CPU Intel produced, out of what I've used anyway, I admit I have not used the i5 or i7, but that's cause of their past performance | Feb 12 02:32 |
_goblin | Digital Economy Bill | Feb 12 02:32 |
_goblin | sorry. | Feb 12 02:32 |
sebsebseb | ah yes that thing | Feb 12 02:32 |
DaemonFC | some people were raving about Core 2, so I know not to get in that trap of word of mouth again | Feb 12 02:32 |
sebsebseb | yep anti piracy stuff is on it's way soon and properly it seems | Feb 12 02:32 |
sebsebseb | altough that's just the excuse as roved2101 would say | Feb 12 02:32 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz2: so what's the secret to getting a properly calibrated reading? | Feb 12 02:33 |
DaemonFC | I'm happy with my Phenom II X4 945 :) (3 Ghz) | Feb 12 02:33 |
cubezzz2 | FurnaceBoy, modules and the motherboard | Feb 12 02:33 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz2: i mean, specifically. | Feb 12 02:33 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz2: if i wanted to know the temp, how would i do it? | Feb 12 02:33 |
FurnaceBoy | gkrellm clearly doesn't know how. | Feb 12 02:33 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: stop piracy rather properly, and more people will get opensourc/freesoftware :D | Feb 12 02:33 |
_goblin | I think ISP's should be licensed like premesis that sell alcohol. Make the ISP's responsible for the data that passes through it, not the customer...of course should the material fall into the realms of criminal and not merely a "standard" filesharing issue than thats different. | Feb 12 02:33 |
roved2101 | Ultimately its all about the control of the free flow of information on the internet | Feb 12 02:33 |
cubezzz2 | well sensors.conf for starters | Feb 12 02:34 |
DaemonFC | one reason I'm familiar with the Pentium 3 is because that's essentially the CPU of the original XBOX, and I was running all kinds of homebrew on it and Linux | Feb 12 02:34 |
cubezzz2 | and you need the appropriate modules for your board | Feb 12 02:34 |
cubezzz2 | /etc/sensors.conf | Feb 12 02:34 |
FurnaceBoy | I believe I do. | Feb 12 02:34 |
DaemonFC | the original XBOX was a nice thing to have just for the tinkering that could be done | Feb 12 02:34 |
cubezzz2 | just use the command line stuff | Feb 12 02:34 |
DaemonFC | cheap media center/ Linux PC | Feb 12 02:34 |
cubezzz2 | e.g. /usr/bin/sensors lm79-i2c-1-2d lm75-i2c-1-4c lm75-i2c-1-4d | Feb 12 02:35 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz2: it looks like it's reading from ACPI | Feb 12 02:35 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: I think they should be 100% clear to people what is legal and what is not, when it comes to The Internet, but also other things as well | Feb 12 02:35 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: would be good if there was a website for example, you could put in a question it searches the database for the answer and yeah | Feb 12 02:35 |
cubezzz2 | your board probably has several sensors on it | Feb 12 02:35 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Or you can be like me, don't _care_ what's legal or not and just deploy countermeasure :) | Feb 12 02:35 |
_goblin | sebsebseb: Of course Filesharing itself is really a civil not criminal issue (that is the act of merely sharing material not selling), the DEB would be totally powerless against a downloader from the binary NG;s merely because the element of sharing is absent....this would also be the case for a civil matter.. | Feb 12 02:35 |
_goblin | same with IRC. | Feb 12 02:36 |
_goblin | it would be the server only getting the "wrath" not the downloader. | Feb 12 02:36 |
_goblin | that why I never understood why the BT protocol stays popular. | Feb 12 02:36 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: countermeasure as in being careful? | Feb 12 02:36 |
DaemonFC | Didn't Linus say at one point "If you have to ask a lawyer if what you're doing it right or wrong, you're morally bankrupt." | Feb 12 02:36 |
DaemonFC | *is | Feb 12 02:37 |
cubezzz2 | for example: | Feb 12 02:37 |
FurnaceBoy | ouch | Feb 12 02:37 |
cubezzz2 | National Sensors (three different places on board) | Feb 12 02:37 |
cubezzz2 | two LM75, one near each CPU | Feb 12 02:37 |
cubezzz2 | one LM79 located near ISA slots | Feb 12 02:37 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: more likely, part of a morally bankrupt system. | Feb 12 02:37 |
cubezzz2 | the sensor near the ISA slots is close to room temperature | Feb 12 02:37 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz2: i must be missing the userspace for this. | Feb 12 02:37 |
FurnaceBoy | lm-sensors i think ? | Feb 12 02:37 |
cubezzz2 | hence it returns 21 C | Feb 12 02:37 |
cubezzz2 | FurnaceBoy, yes | Feb 12 02:37 |
FurnaceBoy | ok lemme see | Feb 12 02:37 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: when I put database above I meant on a website | Feb 12 02:37 |
DaemonFC | laws don't define right or wrong, at their best they punish people who have done wrong, and at their worst they persecute people who have done nothing wrong (DMCA) | Feb 12 02:38 |
DaemonFC | Jon Johanson (sp?) for example | Feb 12 02:38 |
cubezzz2 | something like: lm_sensors-2.8.1-1.i386.rpm | Feb 12 02:38 |
sebsebseb | and sometimes people get in trouble with law, because they didn't know they did something that broke it | Feb 12 02:38 |
cubezzz2 | although that's old, but my computer is old :) | Feb 12 02:39 |
DaemonFC | cracking DRM to give legal owners of DVDs the ability to play them back on their computers | Feb 12 02:39 |
_goblin | Sebsebseb: yeah now talking of databases......Google caches webpages...so ergo if the Piratebay gets sent to court for its links to torrents, then Google is doing exactly the same thing. | Feb 12 02:39 |
DaemonFC | he's not a bad guy, he did nothing wrong, but he broke a law | Feb 12 02:39 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz2: ok I'm on it. I thought I had it installed. | Feb 12 02:39 |
_goblin | I think the line gets confused......if you share a file on BT...it is unlawful not criminal. | Feb 12 02:39 |
_goblin | if you make money from that material, it slips into criminal. | Feb 12 02:40 |
_goblin | this is why TPB verdict confused people. | Feb 12 02:40 |
DaemonFC | his work not only benefited Linux/BSD/whatever users, but also users of Windows who either didn't have the ability to play DVD (like XP or Vista Business) or who didn't want to sit through 20 minutes of commercials and crap to get to their movie | Feb 12 02:40 |
_goblin | it was the money aspect which caused the issue. | Feb 12 02:40 |
DaemonFC | so I consider him a minor hero | Feb 12 02:40 |
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_goblin | if you remember the leaked phantom menace uploader who was arrest and sent to jail....that was due (I believe) to the circumstances of him getting the material in the first place...physical theft of the media it was stored on. | Feb 12 02:41 |
schestowitz | [01:57] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: you here noticed a mistake in your XP link that you should change | Feb 12 02:41 |
schestowitz | Which one is that? | Feb 12 02:41 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: your latest article I think? | Feb 12 02:41 |
DaemonFC | DVDs around 2003 also started shipping with all kinds of spyware and DRM that took advantage of Windows Autorun | Feb 12 02:42 |
DaemonFC | to infect systems belonging to clueless users | Feb 12 02:42 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: where you mention xbox and have the numbers in brakets, you don't link to anything | Feb 12 02:42 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, The horrible thing that I notice when disinfecting Windows PCs is that just as often as the problem is illegal Russian Viagra casino spyware, it's also something that "legitimate" software from a "legitimate" company has done | Feb 12 02:43 |
DaemonFC | and it has crippled their PC | Feb 12 02:44 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: yeah all these security issues with WIndows, and yet all these people use it and even those that know Linux and such exist, it's sad really | Feb 12 02:44 |
cubezzz2 | just get them off doze, problem fixed | Feb 12 02:44 |
cubezzz2 | sheesh, why even bother with doze really? | Feb 12 02:44 |
FurnaceBoy | +1 | Feb 12 02:44 |
FurnaceBoy | +1111111!!111 | Feb 12 02:44 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz2: since they got apps that won't work in Wine or a Windows virtual machine | Feb 12 02:44 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz2: when DaemonFC comes in with his "windows did this, windows did that" stories, I wonder the same thing. | Feb 12 02:45 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz2: or hardware that won't work with other OS's | Feb 12 02:45 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz2, Not always easy, but what is easy is to clobber and hide access to IE and Windows Media Player, disable Autorun, and put some credible antivirus software on there | Feb 12 02:45 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: the converse is more often true. | Feb 12 02:45 |
sebsebseb | well a bot net has been used to attack another bot net recnetly | Feb 12 02:45 |
cubezzz2 | it's like exercising... no one feels like doing it, but it's good for you :) | Feb 12 02:45 |
DaemonFC | repalce all the shit you hid with FOSS alternatives, VLC, Firefox, OOo, etc. | Feb 12 02:45 |
sebsebseb | I gave the ink out here arlier | Feb 12 02:45 |
cubezzz2 | you got to start somewhere | Feb 12 02:45 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz2, Family mostly, but people also pay you to fix the issue | Feb 12 02:46 |
cubezzz2 | you got to get off the crack :) | Feb 12 02:46 |
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schestowitz | sebsebseb: the links are at the bottom | Feb 12 02:46 |
DaemonFC | I don't feel honest about setting them up to get pwned again after I'm done, so I try to walk them through some things before I leave :) | Feb 12 02:46 |
schestowitz | I know it's not clear of consistent wrt other posts | Feb 12 02:46 |
cubezzz2 | mplayer beats the heck out of windows media player | Feb 12 02:46 |
sebsebseb | in fact I did two things earlier: | Feb 12 02:46 |
schestowitz | I have three more posts coming | Feb 12 02:46 |
sebsebseb | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/021010-new-russian-botnet-tries-to.html joke comments as well http://www.linuxtoday.com/security/2010021001735NWNT | Feb 12 02:46 |
schestowitz | I'm just rpoofreading them | Feb 12 02:46 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: New Russian botnet tries to kill rival .::. Size~: 88.17 KB | Feb 12 02:46 |
schestowitz | That's why I'm absent from IRC | Feb 12 02:46 |
cubezzz2 | still looking for an ARM machine :-/ | Feb 12 02:47 |
sebsebseb | Yep relying on one anti virus isn't enough http://www.net-security.org/malware_news.php?id=1224 and ok comment, but the joke isn't that funny http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-02-11-002-35-SY-MS-SW-0000 | Feb 12 02:48 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: 32% of computers with AV protection are infected .::. Size~: 22.49 KB | Feb 12 02:48 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Today - 32% of computers with AV protection are infected .::. Size~: 75.55 KB | Feb 12 02:48 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz2, Well, one thing is education, and I was kind of horrified to find someone had ripped dozens of CDs into WMA, so I ended up sitting there for hours re-ripping them into MP3 | Feb 12 02:48 |
DaemonFC | heh | Feb 12 02:48 |
cubezzz2 | mplayer plays wma just fine | Feb 12 02:48 |
DaemonFC | plays on everything, take it with you if you leave Windows | Feb 12 02:48 |
DaemonFC | problem solved | Feb 12 02:48 |
cubezzz2 | yes, wma isn't my first choice :) | Feb 12 02:49 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: most people don't secure Windows properly enough in the first place, and only way to make sure malware is gone is to properly remove Windows and re install | Feb 12 02:49 |
cubezzz2 | could even have DRM on it | Feb 12 02:49 |
DaemonFC | well, it's not an ideal format, but it has a FOSS solution end to end, so I feel a lot safer about it than WMA or AAC | Feb 12 02:49 |
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FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: then it comes back. :) | Feb 12 02:49 |
DaemonFC | there's really nothing that the industry can do to take back MP3 and they know it | Feb 12 02:49 |
DaemonFC | they keep trying to retcon some non-standard extension or crap, but it never takes hold | Feb 12 02:50 |
cubezzz2 | FOSS is winning | Feb 12 02:50 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: what comes back the virus? | Feb 12 02:50 |
DaemonFC | I'm not concerned that they'll ever get it back, cause they won't | Feb 12 02:50 |
DaemonFC | about all they can do is charge other companies royalties | Feb 12 02:50 |
DaemonFC | the extent that MP3 patents affect me is that portable media players cost $1 more | Feb 12 02:52 |
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FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: malware yes | Feb 12 02:54 |
Jose_X | hey, schestowitz.. | Feb 12 02:54 |
DaemonFC | I think it's interesting that we're starting to see some trojans that take advantage of Ubuntu spreading over legitimate sites | Feb 12 02:54 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: what you on about? however there was what was meant to be a screensaver on Gnome look for Ubuntu, that wasn't | Feb 12 02:55 |
Jose_X | wanted to point out a few comments just made. all old material but the last quotes from a page you did on comes in the middle of last year | Feb 12 02:55 |
DaemonFC | the Mac getting pwned through "pirate" copies of iLife or whatever was amusing, but this Ubuntu thing is kind of horrific | Feb 12 02:55 |
Jose_X | http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010021102235OPCYUB | Feb 12 02:55 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Today - Follow-up post to Canonical Microsoft .::. Size~: 79.98 KB | Feb 12 02:55 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, No, you got a screensaver alright, and a botnet trojan, hehe | Feb 12 02:55 |
DaemonFC | and there was actually two occurances of that | Feb 12 02:56 |
DaemonFC | back to back | Feb 12 02:56 |
cubezzz2 | there's LFS for the paranoid :) | Feb 12 02:56 |
cubezzz2 | or TinyCore :) | Feb 12 02:56 |
DaemonFC | I try not to run unsigned software that I don't trust from "some website" | Feb 12 02:56 |
DaemonFC | cause the gnome-look ordeal proved that's unwise | Feb 12 02:57 |
cubezzz2 | ba-hahaha | Feb 12 02:57 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: indeed | Feb 12 02:57 |
cubezzz2 | how about "I compile everything from source" :) | Feb 12 02:57 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: also it's a site the bot recommends to people when !themes is done | Feb 12 02:57 |
DaemonFC | the distro repositories are OK, some PPAs are OK | Feb 12 02:57 |
Ender2070 | haha | Feb 12 02:58 |
DaemonFC | after that I try to avoid things that end up on these third party deals like getdeb and gnome-look | Feb 12 02:58 |
Ender2070 | kubuntu wont have 4.4 for a while | Feb 12 02:58 |
DaemonFC | cause you never know what you're installing until it's already taken over your PC | Feb 12 02:58 |
sebsebseb | Ender2070: well got to wait untill 10.04 for 4.4 maybe | Feb 12 02:58 |
cubezzz2 | I compiled my own KDE too | Feb 12 02:58 |
sebsebseb | or get some ppa | Feb 12 02:58 |
cubezzz2 | repositories can die | Feb 12 02:59 |
cubezzz2 | don't get dependent on them | Feb 12 02:59 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I've compiled small kernel modules before that I got from some random guy on Ubuntu Forums, but I'm talking real small, like, I could look at them real quick and be reasonably certain that there was probably nothing to be concerned about | Feb 12 02:59 |
DaemonFC | one was a driver for my xbox 360 gamepad :) | Feb 12 03:00 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz2: well yeah it's fine really to compile stuff yourself from trusted sources | Feb 12 03:00 |
sebsebseb | Ubuntu would rather their users got all the programs they wanted from the offical repo's though | Feb 12 03:00 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Then they should dust the repos off now and again for high demand packages | Feb 12 03:00 |
DaemonFC | quit offering 3-4 versions ago | Feb 12 03:00 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: agreed | Feb 12 03:01 |
sebsebseb | they should offer major stuff in the repo's | Feb 12 03:01 |
DaemonFC | they should offer users the option to install popcon with every install and monitor what people want | Feb 12 03:01 |
sebsebseb | Firefox Open Office | Feb 12 03:01 |
sebsebseb | whatever it is at the time, that all those noobs etc want | Feb 12 03:01 |
DaemonFC | and make those high priority exceptions to the frozen repo | Feb 12 03:01 |
cubezzz2 | sebsebseb, what about porting to a different cpu? | Feb 12 03:01 |
sebsebseb | ,but jono and such would give us excuses for why it's security updates only in the offical repo's | Feb 12 03:01 |
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DaemonFC | jono is a weenie | Feb 12 03:02 |
cubezzz2 | then your rpms or whatever don't work | Feb 12 03:02 |
DaemonFC | and I say that with the utmost contempt | Feb 12 03:02 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 12 03:02 |
sebsebseb | well there's backports for some stuff | Feb 12 03:02 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: still about? | Feb 12 03:02 |
_goblin | yeah | Feb 12 03:02 |
sebsebseb | what do you think on the subject? | Feb 12 03:02 |
_goblin | Ubuntu and compiling? | Feb 12 03:03 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Firefox, Thunderbird, OOo, Transmission, Nvidia and ATI drivers, Pidgin | Feb 12 03:03 |
DaemonFC | newest version should always be in Backports | Feb 12 03:03 |
sebsebseb | not sure about transmission ,but the others sure | Feb 12 03:04 |
sebsebseb | well maybe not graphic card drivers | Feb 12 03:04 |
DaemonFC | Transmission is developed rapidly and current version is much more competent than the one in Ubuntu | Feb 12 03:04 |
sebsebseb | also they don't care much about Pidgin anymore, since Empathy | Feb 12 03:04 |
DaemonFC | Pidgin because Empathy is crap and nobody sane uses it and gets Pidgin instead | Feb 12 03:04 |
sebsebseb | well newbies won't just know about Pidgin | Feb 12 03:04 |
_goblin | sebsebseb: I wouldn't use Pidgin. | Feb 12 03:04 |
_goblin | sorry *won't | Feb 12 03:05 |
DaemonFC | Nvidia and ATI drivers are developed rapidly and you may as well have the least shitty support for them as possible | Feb 12 03:05 |
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_goblin | no need for all those services in one package....its really IRC and thats all. | Feb 12 03:05 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: what Pidgin is good | Feb 12 03:05 |
sebsebseb | as an IM program | Feb 12 03:06 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, ATI Catalyst is 4 versions old in the Ubuntu repo and they have fixed over 20 crashers specifically affecting Ubuntu | Feb 12 03:06 |
DaemonFC | old Catalyst = Ubuntu looks dodgy | Feb 12 03:06 |
Jose_X | schestowitz, one thing that just came to mind. it concerns microsoft allowing their software to be "pirated" if necessary | Feb 12 03:06 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: oh? | Feb 12 03:06 |
_goblin | yeah, I don't have a need except IRC. | Feb 12 03:06 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well ATI is a common thing for the big Ubuntu channel | Feb 12 03:06 |
sebsebseb | issues with ATI | Feb 12 03:06 |
roved2101 | lol @ sebsebseb | Feb 12 03:06 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, indeed, they also added several OpenGL extensions and now have full 3.2 support | Feb 12 03:06 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu misses that | Feb 12 03:06 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: why? | Feb 12 03:06 |
_goblin | Jose_X: I think MS have changed their stance on that considerably. | Feb 12 03:06 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I have to rebuild my ATI module every time I get a new kernel because I refuse to use the shit that Ubuntu offers me | Feb 12 03:07 |
Jose_X | There software (or Windows as a whole) might be designed to phone home to Microsoft only after the user has used the product so as to add a certain level of lockin. | Feb 12 03:07 |
_goblin | Jose_X: I think its now time to pay the reaper. | Feb 12 03:07 |
DaemonFC | cause I don't want an unstable system :) | Feb 12 03:07 |
roved2101 | sebsebseb you flooded what more could I do | Feb 12 03:07 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: that's not why I wasn't re joining | Feb 12 03:07 |
roved2101 | lol | Feb 12 03:08 |
Jose_X | eg, when certain features/bugs have been used so that openoffice will not render well.. these checks could be based on running lists Microsoft keeps current and which windows checks | Feb 12 03:08 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Ubuntu is offering an unreleased beta Catalyst driver from sometime around last September | Feb 12 03:08 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: also this channel probably isn't really the best channel for other network chat | Feb 12 03:08 |
Jose_X | _goblin: they subsidize as necessary.. they did no the netbook market and will as necessary | Feb 12 03:08 |
DaemonFC | simple as that, should not be allowed :) | Feb 12 03:08 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 32% of #Microsoft #Windows computers with #antivirus are infected. (Just don't use Windows) http://bit.ly/aqmy7p | Feb 12 03:08 | |
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roved2101 | sebsebseb your talking not me lol | Feb 12 03:08 |
roved2101 | lol @ sebsebseb | Feb 12 03:09 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: oh you used the link I gave | Feb 12 03:09 |
Jose_X | maybe the reaper of older software is coming after you, but newer stuff always could use more traction | Feb 12 03:09 |
Jose_X | also, they can go aggressive with some customers (eg, where office is mandated) and not with others. | Feb 12 03:09 |
_goblin | Jose_X: I think the days of "let them get addicted we'll work out how to get a return later" are long gone... Microsoft needs revenue now.... | Feb 12 03:09 |
Jose_X | _goblin, i will again respectfully disagree that those days are over across the board. | Feb 12 03:10 |
Jose_X | at worst microsoft could bring back the old dog days of summer special... blah blah | Feb 12 03:10 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu is needlessly exposing ATI owners to 1. Really bad performance that isn't as bad with the latest driver, 2. Security issues that have been fixed, 3. Crashers that have since been fixed, and none of it is necessary and reflects poorly on Ubuntu itself when X locks up :) | Feb 12 03:10 |
_goblin | Jose_X: You might be right though, but I think Microsoft if they do suffer loss of revenue to piracy they only have themselves to blame for being so flippant in the past. | Feb 12 03:10 |
Jose_X | but it helps grow their market | Feb 12 03:11 |
Jose_X | it's a useful tactic | Feb 12 03:11 |
_goblin | true | Feb 12 03:11 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well make sure jono knows or Ubuntu Developers or something I guess | Feb 12 03:11 |
Ender2070 | mono is the devil | Feb 12 03:11 |
Jose_X | maybe they are toughening up where they feel they can get away with it but were lax in the past | Feb 12 03:11 |
_goblin | however the same liberal attitude that was afforded XP does not seem to be the case for 7 | Feb 12 03:11 |
cubezzz2 | no mono on Zaurus :) | Feb 12 03:11 |
Jose_X | i just don't see them changing that completely though it might be diminished to the extent they have alternative tools. | Feb 12 03:11 |
Jose_X | anyway, with bill gates more to the side, they might change strategy more aggressively | Feb 12 03:12 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I don't trust they'll do the right thing here, I won't trust Ubuntu to do the right thing until the open source drivers are adequate and they ship them as part of X.org and they are forced to not be stupid | Feb 12 03:12 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: they are being a bit stupid with this new me menu as well | Feb 12 03:12 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: basically it's the thing on the top right even more edited | Feb 12 03:13 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I just hsut it off, and indicator crapplet to | Feb 12 03:13 |
DaemonFC | restore proper GNOME behavior | Feb 12 03:13 |
DaemonFC | *shut | Feb 12 03:13 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: and it has a thing like what's in 9.10, that's linked to the me menu the social features | Feb 12 03:13 |
sebsebseb | yep that's what I ended up doing in 9.04 | Feb 12 03:13 |
sebsebseb | just removing the thing on top right | Feb 12 03:13 |
_goblin | Jose_X: very true although Ballmer did say last year (in relation to pirated Windows coming 2nd in the largest deployed OS - "they've got a hell of a product at a great price"....which suggests to me that until it suits them, Ballmer has just as much a flippant attitude. | Feb 12 03:13 |
sebsebseb | then in 9.10 I do it yeah | Feb 12 03:13 |
DaemonFC | it's annoying, it just splits existing functionality into 2-3 places, and duplicates a lot of things that worked very well to begin with | Feb 12 03:14 |
DaemonFC | GNOME HIG is being seriously fucked around with by Ubuntu | Feb 12 03:14 |
Jose_X | _goblin, if they focus on avoiding outright piracy ($0), they can still subsidize much more fine grained | Feb 12 03:14 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: as for proper Gnome behaviour that's to not show the icons in the system menu anymore and part of places, and also remove the interface thing | Feb 12 03:14 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: karmic interface thing is there, alpha 2 nope | Feb 12 03:14 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: however gconf can be eited to turn the icons back on | Feb 12 03:14 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, When GNOME handles it, I'll use what GNOME gives me, Ubuntu's UI team are a bunch of drunken Irishmen out driving around | Feb 12 03:15 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 12 03:15 |
cubezzz2 | I'd use a somewhat different phraseology :) | Feb 12 03:15 |
cubezzz2 | "Windows is a product from Hell" :) | Feb 12 03:15 |
_goblin | sorry Jose_X its late I can't focus properly!!.......do you mean no piracy = reduction passed on to customer? | Feb 12 03:15 |
sebsebseb | Ubuntu have good repos, except when you want later stuff. as for the distro itself they are starting to add stuff in, which is well junk for some of us | Feb 12 03:15 |
DaemonFC | Turning half the menu icons off pissed me off | Feb 12 03:15 |
DaemonFC | I flipped those back on in gconf-editor | Feb 12 03:15 |
sebsebseb | yep that's what I said can be done | Feb 12 03:16 |
_goblin | I was very impressed with the software center in 9.10 as far as the family go its a great addition..... | Feb 12 03:16 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: I think that increasing desperation will bring back all the old pathological behaviours, even more so. They'll try anything. | Feb 12 03:16 |
roved2101 | lol @ sebsebseb | Feb 12 03:16 |
Jose_X | _goblin, no, i meant originally outright piracy.. but the last thing said was that they could crack down on piracy more if they let other loopholes in there to capture those not willing to pay full price. | Feb 12 03:16 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: addict gets withdrawal without that huge fat pipe of cash. | Feb 12 03:16 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu UI is designed by drunken Irishmen is still my theory | Feb 12 03:16 |
DaemonFC | you have to go out of your way to make it sane again | Feb 12 03:16 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: also I thought Ubuntu was meant to be for familys and such, well having these social features on by default in 10.04, isn't exactly for families | Feb 12 03:16 |
_goblin | ah.... | Feb 12 03:16 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I mean young children for example aren't going to use that stuff | Feb 12 03:16 |
sebsebseb | Ubuntu One and Music Store again stuff young children won't be using | Feb 12 03:17 |
_goblin | sorry Jose_x im really tired, I was trying to keep up.....old age Im affraid. | Feb 12 03:17 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: yet, outright piracy. it's a win. this is well established. we'll know microsoft is dead when ppl stop pirating it in favour of free software. | Feb 12 03:17 |
Jose_X | monopoly pricing suck up a lot of money from the economy | Feb 12 03:17 |
FurnaceBoy | +1 | Feb 12 03:17 |
Jose_X | _goblin, i think you did keep up. | Feb 12 03:17 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I got a little brother, so when I upgrade it to 10.04 I got some stuff to remove in his account | Feb 12 03:17 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: it's an enabler for extortion | Feb 12 03:17 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Yeah, I may get stuck with Ubuntu though if I buy a netbook for my mom, she wants one and I think I've scared her away from Windows sufficiently | Feb 12 03:17 |
Jose_X | i changed at the end.. blame me. | Feb 12 03:17 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/11/boycott-novell-milestone-9000/ | Feb 12 03:17 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Post #9,000 Reached | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 80.55 KB | Feb 12 03:17 |
DaemonFC | now I have to find a Linux that works sanely | Feb 12 03:17 |
_goblin | as I said earlier Im on teething duty so Ill be up a little longer. | Feb 12 03:18 |
DaemonFC | mom has never used a PC before | Feb 12 03:18 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well there's Mandriva which roved2101 really likes | Feb 12 03:18 |
schestowitz | If we asked readers to help sustain us financially (the very minimum), will our reader help us like they did Wikileaks? | Feb 12 03:18 |
DaemonFC | I want something that she can sit down and use without calling me every 20 minutes asking me how to do stuff | Feb 12 03:18 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: I woudn't donate anything, since I don't read most of your stuff, however this IRC channel is rather nice | Feb 12 03:18 |
DaemonFC | she might end up anyway, but I want to minimize the learning curve at least | Feb 12 03:19 |
schestowitz | Jose_X: hi | Feb 12 03:19 |
roved2101 | sebsebseb: if you dont work you dont eat | Feb 12 03:19 |
_goblin | sebsebseb: Not very diplomatic!!!...."i don't read much of your stuff".....maybe....."I only have interest in this chat room"? | Feb 12 03:20 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: not true, benefits for example | Feb 12 03:20 |
DaemonFC | cause she was on the phone about ready to order some horribly overpriced thing from QVC with Windows 7: Crippleware Edition on it | Feb 12 03:20 |
DaemonFC | and I managed to stop her | Feb 12 03:20 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: he has a nice website | Feb 12 03:20 |
_goblin | :) | Feb 12 03:20 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: ugh | Feb 12 03:21 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: that's his middle name !! | Feb 12 03:21 |
DaemonFC | meh, sometimes you can get a good deal from QVC, sometimes not | Feb 12 03:21 |
FurnaceBoy | _goblin: well, it's all tinfoil hat, aliens in the hills type stuff ... *ducks* | Feb 12 03:21 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: lol | Feb 12 03:21 |
DaemonFC | the salespeople lie about what they're selling frequently though | Feb 12 03:21 |
DaemonFC | they were really going out of their way to not mention the things Windows 7: Crippleware can't do | Feb 12 03:22 |
_goblin | Roy, my opinion is that it would be great for people to help maintain with a donation. I certainly think if we agree or not, the work put into the posts is great. The only worry I would have is that it would be used to cheapen your view..... | Feb 12 03:22 |
schestowitz | _goblin: is Pinta a hobby? | Feb 12 03:22 |
FurnaceBoy | cheapen? then he only has to put his rates up... | Feb 12 03:22 |
schestowitz | Or paid for by Novell? | Feb 12 03:22 |
_goblin | schestowitz: Its cleverly worded..... | Feb 12 03:22 |
_goblin | schestowitz: he's a full time open source hacker for Novell | Feb 12 03:23 |
schestowitz | That's it? | Feb 12 03:23 |
schestowitz | I read the site | Feb 12 03:23 |
schestowitz | They have others like that | Feb 12 03:23 |
_goblin | " I work on Mono, specifically on Mono Tools for Visual Studio." | Feb 12 03:23 |
schestowitz | Is it fair to say they fund it then? | Feb 12 03:23 |
Jose_X | schestowitz, what is the biggest cost sink? | Feb 12 03:23 |
_goblin | mmm....encourage? | Feb 12 03:24 |
_goblin | not fund.... | Feb 12 03:24 |
schestowitz | Sandy would insist that Tomboy is "just a hobby" | Feb 12 03:24 |
_goblin | or it could be fund.... | Feb 12 03:24 |
_goblin | we just don't know.... | Feb 12 03:24 |
schestowitz | Jose_X: flushing yr dollaz down the toilet :0-) | Feb 12 03:24 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: time | Feb 12 03:24 |
_goblin | I think though its a simple case of Novell having to try and develop the killer app in order to have a "selling point" for Mono..... | Feb 12 03:24 |
roved2101 | lol @ sebsebseb | Feb 12 03:24 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: re join there :D | Feb 12 03:25 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: hosting/infrastructure costs nothing compared to the cost of time/attention | Feb 12 03:25 |
roved2101 | where sebsebseb? | Feb 12 03:25 |
_goblin | Schestowitz: | Feb 12 03:25 |
_goblin | " | Feb 12 03:25 |
_goblin | Over the holiday break, I stumbled upon this article from OSNews stating that there was a need for something like Paint.NET for Gtk. Having some experience with porting Paint.NET to Mono Winforms before, I knew that that was a massive task. But it still got me curious about Cairo and creating a layered canvas, since I had never played with Cairo or Gtk. | Feb 12 03:25 |
_goblin | After playing around for a few hours, I actually had a working paintbrush and canvas. Intrigued by my success, I played around with it for a few more days. By the end of the week I had a nifty little paint program with a few features. Now, a month later, it's time to open my little project up to the world: Pinta. | Feb 12 03:25 |
_goblin | " | Feb 12 03:25 |
_goblin | mmm | Feb 12 03:25 |
FurnaceBoy | typical hacker without politics. | Feb 12 03:26 |
jweyrich | ola :) | Feb 12 03:26 |
_goblin | holiday break?????? stumbled upon a need? | Feb 12 03:26 |
FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: hahaha | Feb 12 03:26 |
FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: chamei o diabo | Feb 12 03:26 |
jweyrich | what am I missing? | Feb 12 03:26 |
_goblin | if there was such a need as a Novell and Mono dev he should have been well aware of it. | Feb 12 03:26 |
FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: falei * | Feb 12 03:26 |
jweyrich | lol | Feb 12 03:26 |
_goblin | its a little like saying: | Feb 12 03:26 |
jweyrich | just read. | Feb 12 03:26 |
_goblin | During the holiday break Bill Gates stumbled upon Ubuntu. | Feb 12 03:27 |
jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: just to be clear, it was as coincidence lol | Feb 12 03:27 |
Jose_X | FurnaceBoy, well, that's what i'd think in general but wasn't thinking of it in terms of "donations" | Feb 12 03:27 |
FurnaceBoy | _goblin: some of his memos read like that. for example, the one after apple launched iTunes | Feb 12 03:27 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: donations will never cover such costs , I know from experience :) | Feb 12 03:27 |
_goblin | Quote "After playing around for a few hours" - theres the Mono advert....hey kids you too can create great stuff with little work! | Feb 12 03:27 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: maybe 1/100th | Feb 12 03:27 |
jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: read the guardian article on brazilian portuguese, just tweeted. | Feb 12 03:28 |
_goblin | Quote " By the end of the week I had a nifty little paint program with a few features" - Clever this, downplay your project to make it sound easy...understate it....good Mono advertising there.... | Feb 12 03:28 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, my internet was down all yesterday, this time Comcrap gave me some reparations | Feb 12 03:29 |
FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: did you read this? http://www.scottberkun.com/blog/2010/microsoft-and-creative-destruction/ | Feb 12 03:29 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft and Creative Destruction « Scott Berkun .::. Size~: 50.28 KB | Feb 12 03:29 |
_goblin | Quote "Now, a month later, it's time to open my little project up to the world" - Yep and you can code your own GTA in 2....."great simple Mono, everyone can be a coder!" | Feb 12 03:29 |
DaemonFC | a free on demand movie coupon, woohoo | Feb 12 03:29 |
jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: will do. | Feb 12 03:29 |
Jose_X | _goblin: donation transactions can be all made public including dates. transparency is customer friendly. | Feb 12 03:29 |
_goblin | schestowitz: In my opinion a very clever piece of text...... | Feb 12 03:30 |
FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: a bunch of people said to me, "wow, this described my experience at org X" | Feb 12 03:30 |
FurnaceBoy | _goblin: good analysis | Feb 12 03:30 |
_goblin | I do this for a living....in a verbal capacity that is. | Feb 12 03:30 |
_goblin | and not in relation to IT | Feb 12 03:30 |
*FurnaceBoy is an ex-copywriter | Feb 12 03:31 | |
Jose_X | roy might suggest that all donations be anonymously donated. not sure if that is realistic | Feb 12 03:31 |
Jose_X | point is that if you know who donated, it will affect your attitude some. | Feb 12 03:31 |
DaemonFC | http://www.system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=92 | Feb 12 03:31 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Starling NetBook - Ubuntu Linux Laptop - 10 inch - system76, Inc. .::. Size~: 29.77 KB | Feb 12 03:31 |
DaemonFC | opinions? | Feb 12 03:31 |
_goblin | I think its a good idea.....Ive certainly enjoyed coming to the chat room and reading the site...its probably the best way I can support. | Feb 12 03:31 |
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FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: openbsd has a strong donation theme, they have a public roll of donors | Feb 12 03:32 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: democratic too, i think they treat large and small the same | Feb 12 03:32 |
Jose_X | FurnaceBoy, never knew.. how does that work? | Feb 12 03:32 |
schestowitz | _goblin: yes, that helps | Feb 12 03:33 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: check http://openbsd.org | Feb 12 03:33 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: OpenBSD .::. Size~: 6.3 KB | Feb 12 03:33 |
schestowitz | I asked around and it seems like donations rarely work | Feb 12 03:33 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's small potatoes | Feb 12 03:33 |
schestowitz | I asked Groklaw and Phoronix | Feb 12 03:33 |
DaemonFC | DARPA used to fund OpenBSD until Theo de Raadt started openly criticizing the invasion of Iraq | Feb 12 03:33 |
DaemonFC | then there went the funding | Feb 12 03:33 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I get 1 donation per 2000 downloads of a popular product | Feb 12 03:33 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: I think it might work for you, you got a strong fan club, or so it seems | Feb 12 03:33 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: :) | Feb 12 03:33 |
jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: interesting. the creativity thing is exactly the point which google does well. the 20% time invested in personal projects, are in fact, were the most products come from. | Feb 12 03:33 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that's good | Feb 12 03:33 |
DaemonFC | that they lost funding? | Feb 12 03:34 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: makes me even more glad I arranged company money for openssh | Feb 12 03:34 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yes | Feb 12 03:34 |
DaemonFC | why? | Feb 12 03:34 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: somebody noticed | Feb 12 03:34 |
DaemonFC | just keep your mouth shut. It's not like their using your program to drop bombs | Feb 12 03:34 |
DaemonFC | duh | Feb 12 03:34 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: heh | Feb 12 03:34 |
DaemonFC | only hurt OpenBSD | Feb 12 03:34 |
jweyrich | s/were/where | Feb 12 03:34 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I've arranged large donations to openssh | Feb 12 03:34 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and I like Theo | Feb 12 03:35 |
DaemonFC | *they're | Feb 12 03:35 |
DaemonFC | I would have shut my mouth and taken the funding unless their funding was actually perverting or corrupting my work | Feb 12 03:35 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: hm, nio | Feb 12 03:36 |
FurnaceBoy | no | Feb 12 03:36 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: some issues you don't keep your mouth shut about. | Feb 12 03:36 |
DaemonFC | it's not like they're paying him to develop the next atomic bomb or something | Feb 12 03:36 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: there are few more dire than that one | Feb 12 03:36 |
DaemonFC | there are no ethical problems with taking that money | Feb 12 03:36 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I don't think there's any good reason for Theo to censor his opinions to hang on to DARPA funding. | Feb 12 03:37 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that's cynical and counterproductive | Feb 12 03:37 |
FurnaceBoy | he has many other sources of funding | Feb 12 03:37 |
DaemonFC | I think he's a temperamental anti-social idiot | Feb 12 03:37 |
DaemonFC | that's my assessment of him | Feb 12 03:37 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: then you've never met him. | Feb 12 03:37 |
FurnaceBoy | I have. He's a good bloke. | Feb 12 03:37 |
FurnaceBoy | that's the alpha and omega. | Feb 12 03:37 |
DaemonFC | doesn't Linux get some DARPA funds? | Feb 12 03:38 |
FurnaceBoy | it's used all through the military | Feb 12 03:38 |
DaemonFC | Is Torvalds making an ass out of himself just to lose the funds and make a stink out of it? | Feb 12 03:38 |
FurnaceBoy | because it's the best tool for many jobs | Feb 12 03:38 |
Jose_X | DaemonFC, you may feel fine about taking their money, but if you self-censor yourself, then it is having an effect.. which is something you might not want to do. | Feb 12 03:38 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: wrong | Feb 12 03:38 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Linux != Torvalds | Feb 12 03:38 |
Jose_X | lose some, win some others. | Feb 12 03:38 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the US military uses linux all over the place, and any rational engineer in other militaries would too. | Feb 12 03:38 |
DaemonFC | Jose_X, The first mistake is thinking your opinion is worth losing $300,000 a year | Feb 12 03:39 |
DaemonFC | people censor themselves for far less than that | Feb 12 03:39 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: LOL! | Feb 12 03:39 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: maybe your opinions aren't worth that much. | Feb 12 03:39 |
DaemonFC | his input will not change the world | Feb 12 03:39 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you know that many people made sacrifices to protest that invasion. | Feb 12 03:39 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: much larger than openbsd's | Feb 12 03:39 |
DaemonFC | it will not be duly noted | Feb 12 03:39 |
DaemonFC | it will make people think he's an arrogant ass | Feb 12 03:39 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: LOL! | Feb 12 03:39 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: no, a principled person | Feb 12 03:40 |
DaemonFC | and he did lose $300,000 | Feb 12 03:40 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: so what? | Feb 12 03:40 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: news flash: MOney isn't everything. | Feb 12 03:40 |
DaemonFC | ok, if his principles which don't matter is worth inflicting financial harm on a project that does, oh well | Feb 12 03:40 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: eh? | Feb 12 03:40 |
DaemonFC | there's Linux, there's other BSDs | Feb 12 03:40 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: don't you have political opinions? | Feb 12 03:40 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, None that I think will move the world | Feb 12 03:41 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the iraq invasion was abhorrent. more power to Theo. | Feb 12 03:41 |
DaemonFC | I'd sit on them for $300,000 in grants | Feb 12 03:41 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that makes you ... well, what exactly? | Feb 12 03:41 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: a sellout. | Feb 12 03:41 |
DaemonFC | a pragmatist | Feb 12 03:41 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: a hypocrite | Feb 12 03:41 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: follow the money | Feb 12 03:41 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: profit is the only virtuous aim | Feb 12 03:41 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i hear this from your countrymen frequently | Feb 12 03:42 |
DaemonFC | if I was getting $300,000 a year in grants from DARPA, my first commandment would be "Thou shalt not piss off DARPA and lose their checkbook." | Feb 12 03:42 |
DaemonFC | he's a moron for doing so | Feb 12 03:42 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: fuck the iraqis | Feb 12 03:42 |
DaemonFC | not at all | Feb 12 03:42 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: some of us felt the war was worth protesting | Feb 12 03:42 |
DaemonFC | if turning down the money would mean saving one innocent life, I would tell them to go to hell | Feb 12 03:43 |
DaemonFC | but his opinion changes nothing | Feb 12 03:43 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: what did you do to stop the invasion? | Feb 12 03:43 |
DaemonFC | the money greatly benefits OpenBSD | Feb 12 03:43 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: (your grandchildren might ask you, have something prepared) | Feb 12 03:43 |
Jose_X | people die for freedom. if you really want to open your mouth and you make such a sacrifice you can feel really good. | Feb 12 03:43 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: they die every minute | Feb 12 03:43 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: but not DaemonFC | Feb 12 03:43 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: he wants his HBO | Feb 12 03:43 |
DaemonFC | went to the UN and told them not to listen to the black guy holding the model anthrax vial and talking about uranium | Feb 12 03:43 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 12 03:43 |
DaemonFC | that's what *I* did | Feb 12 03:44 |
DaemonFC | and that stopped the invasion | Feb 12 03:44 |
DaemonFC | singlehandedly | Feb 12 03:44 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i dont think you understand how this works | Feb 12 03:44 |
*FurnaceBoy goes and does something more useful | Feb 12 03:44 | |
Jose_X | DaemonFC it's an individual sacrifice.. like much foss is for many people.. like bn is for roy .. etc. | Feb 12 03:44 |
Jose_X | no one asks that you feel the same, but "moron"? | Feb 12 03:45 |
DaemonFC | I don't think you do, I think Theo de Raadt's masturbatory opinions succeeded, in crippling OpenBSD development by an assload of money per year :) | Feb 12 03:45 |
DaemonFC | that's what I think | Feb 12 03:45 |
schestowitz | Jose_X: exactly | Feb 12 03:45 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: principles are alien to you | Feb 12 03:45 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's very hard to talk to yanks about principles. | Feb 12 03:45 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: money blinds them every time | Feb 12 03:45 |
schestowitz | Money is a religion | Feb 12 03:45 |
Jose_X | FurnaceBoy, DaemonFC is trying to be practical and looking at those affected besides Theo | Feb 12 03:45 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that is why Theo is the backbone of OpenBSD. Because he has to-the-bone, to-the-grave principles | Feb 12 03:46 |
DaemonFC | I'm pragmatic, I say "What will pissing off my employer do to me?" "What does telling that policeman he's a fucktwit inbred jackass get me?" | Feb 12 03:46 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TM2HsdkvXU&feature=channel | Feb 12 03:46 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: DARPA isn't his employer. | Feb 12 03:46 |
DaemonFC | nothing, but I'll feel so much better unemployed and in prison | Feb 12 03:46 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: his principles are bigger than DARPA. | Feb 12 03:46 |
DaemonFC | because I have principles | Feb 12 03:46 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you have none. you would do anything for money. | Feb 12 03:46 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you just proved it | Feb 12 03:46 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: good luck w/ that. | Feb 12 03:46 |
Jose_X | one problem may have been theo's approach.. maybe that could have used work. | Feb 12 03:47 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's really hilarious that you'd say this about a *BSD* licensor. | Feb 12 03:47 |
DaemonFC | he's a jackass, that's why they tossed him out of FreeBSD development | Feb 12 03:47 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you mean NetBSD. | Feb 12 03:47 |
DaemonFC | he's abrasive and egotistical | Feb 12 03:47 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and you are showing your ignorance of that exchange. | Feb 12 03:47 |
DaemonFC | yeah, that's what I mean | Feb 12 03:47 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Theo came out looking better than his ex-colleagues. | Feb 12 03:47 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: but you wouldn't know that, because you 've never studied the incident. | Feb 12 03:48 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you only go by "what ppl say about Theo" | Feb 12 03:48 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: go meet him | Feb 12 03:48 |
DaemonFC | well, you don't solve anything by being brutishly combative for no possible gain | Feb 12 03:48 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: he'll even have a beer with you. | Feb 12 03:48 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: go read the transcripts | Feb 12 03:48 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: before discussing | Feb 12 03:48 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you can disregard 99% of what ppl say about Theo because they're merely repeating "received wisdom". | Feb 12 03:49 |
DaemonFC | Before doing something that could put you in a world of hurt, ask "What good could this possibly do for anyone?" and the world will be a better place | Feb 12 03:49 |
Jose_X | "combative for no possible gain". the gain might be by himself and might be what helps drive him. | Feb 12 03:49 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: you have used the virus link I gave in one of your blog enteries | Feb 12 03:49 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: did Bush.Cheney do that before killing a million people? | Feb 12 03:49 |
DaemonFC | Risk High. Reward None. = Don't do it | Feb 12 03:49 |
Jose_X | additionally, sacrifices people make don't always have an impact on others in the near term but they can and in silence. | Feb 12 03:50 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's very hard to talk to yanks about principles. | Feb 12 03:50 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, They got away from that with plenty | Feb 12 03:50 |
_goblin | right.... | Feb 12 03:50 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: your culture says "money trumps any moral position" | Feb 12 03:50 |
_goblin | im off to bed.... | Feb 12 03:50 |
_goblin | finally | Feb 12 03:50 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: money even corrupts your CHristians | Feb 12 03:50 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: no both links | Feb 12 03:50 |
Jose_X | 300K is useful to spend... to try and fix your conscience? shrinks are expensive.. if you would have trouble swallowing something, 300K would not do. | Feb 12 03:50 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, The Christians are already corrupt, with or without money | Feb 12 03:50 |
Jose_X | it's a personal thing | Feb 12 03:50 |
DaemonFC | lust for money just makes them worse | Feb 12 03:50 |
Jose_X | would not call him a moron just on that. | Feb 12 03:50 |
Jose_X | DaemonFC... | Feb 12 03:50 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: give up :) | Feb 12 03:51 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: as a friend would say, "transmitter's fine, receiver's borked | Feb 12 03:51 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: screenshot of hardy scanning viruse's? why since it's meant to be doing a network, and business are most likely to be using LTS? | Feb 12 03:51 |
_goblin | or...... | Feb 12 03:51 |
_goblin | warp engines fine, no innertial dampers | Feb 12 03:51 |
_goblin | or...... | Feb 12 03:52 |
_goblin | im off to bed, goodnight! | Feb 12 03:52 |
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FurnaceBoy | nite | Feb 12 03:52 |
DaemonFC | Christians = Manipulative sadists that are sexually excited by dominating and hurting and killing innocent people, and money helps them achieve this by raising armies or corrupting politicians, and living lives of undeserved luxury at the direct expense of their plebeian followers. | Feb 12 03:52 |
DaemonFC | That's my take. | Feb 12 03:52 |
Jose_X | DaemonFC, that may cover a segment of christians but certainly not all.. poverty is considered a virtue in many places in the new testement. | Feb 12 03:53 |
DaemonFC | Jose_X, Right after you give your "tithe" money, you'll be in poverty. | Feb 12 03:53 |
Jose_X | when you see a christian make a claim, see what he quotes from the bible. you will amost surely find other passages in the bible to contradict that. | Feb 12 03:53 |
DaemonFC | that's blessed | Feb 12 03:53 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Feb 12 03:53 |
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Jose_X | DaemonFC, those that follow gain some from a monetary sacrifice.. those accepting are much more likely to be tempted... | Feb 12 03:54 |
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Jose_X | that's a rule beyond christiandom. | Feb 12 03:54 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadistic_personality_disorder#Proposed_DSM_III-R_criteria_.E2.80.9Cneeding_further_study.E2.80.9D | Feb 12 03:54 |
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DaemonFC | Jose_X, That's what I mean when I say they are sadists | Feb 12 03:55 |
schestowitz | [03:49] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: you have used the virus link I gave in one of your blog enteries | Feb 12 03:55 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: I suspect your seed is falling on stony ground in DaemonFC's case | Feb 12 03:55 |
schestowitz | ys | Feb 12 03:55 |
schestowitz | yes | Feb 12 03:55 |
schestowitz | [03:51] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: screenshot of hardy scanning viruse's? why since it's meant to be doing a network, and business are most likely to be using LTS? | Feb 12 03:56 |
Jose_X | DaemonFC, i come from a christian background and some of the views you will see (accross factions or across individuals) are like night and day.. unfortunately, the bible and other sources can be used to justify almost everything. | Feb 12 03:56 |
schestowitz | Copyleft from Wikipedia | Feb 12 03:56 |
schestowitz | I wanted a Windows one | Feb 12 03:56 |
DaemonFC | "# gets other people to do what he/she wants by frightening them (through intimidation or even terror)." | Feb 12 03:56 |
DaemonFC | that's a big one | Feb 12 03:56 |
DaemonFC | bible, Hell, mottivation | Feb 12 03:56 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 12 03:56 |
DaemonFC | and all four subtypes will be found in any church | Feb 12 03:57 |
DaemonFC | the tyrannical sadist is your typical pastor, the spineless sadist is most of the congregation (80%) | Feb 12 03:57 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: anyway that's good, links I got on before you, that you then used :) | Feb 12 03:58 |
DaemonFC | the enforcing and explosive are the terroristic types that make up the other 20% up to the severity of Christian Identity militias | Feb 12 03:58 |
Jose_X | DaemonFC, there are many charitable organizations and individuals volunteer who leverage christianity. | Feb 12 03:58 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: You hadn't been on already, before I gave out right? | Feb 12 03:58 |
Jose_X | you may say they are stupid, but those that were helped would likely disagree quite strongly. | Feb 12 03:58 |
DaemonFC | Jose_X, Christian charity is about as genuine as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation | Feb 12 03:59 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: as for Windows being used by the NHS | Feb 12 03:59 |
FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: very true: "the bible and other sources can be used to justify" // including genocide, torture, apparently (!) | Feb 12 03:59 |
sebsebseb | I don't like that | Feb 12 03:59 |
DaemonFC | it exists to corrupt civilization and spread their product | Feb 12 03:59 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: what are you doing about it? | Feb 12 03:59 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: in fact Windows being used at all to store data about people, I don't really trust that, but what can we do? | Feb 12 03:59 |
Jose_X | of course, people manage everything and people have problems .. in particular, power tends to attract people likely to abuse it (in the eyes of others). | Feb 12 03:59 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: how about public owned data locked up in MS formats | Feb 12 03:59 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: your tax buying OOXML archives | Feb 12 03:59 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: well yes there is that as well | Feb 12 03:59 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: not all of us pay tax just yet | Feb 12 04:00 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: a future... Microsoft boot stamping on a human face, forever. | Feb 12 04:00 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, thanks! | Feb 12 04:00 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: that is Gates' dream | Feb 12 04:00 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, Religion is such a pervasive developmental disorder of (especially) western society, that it's really hard to fix, avoid, or in some cases, even survive | Feb 12 04:00 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 12 04:00 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: s/religion/USA/ | Feb 12 04:00 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: sometimes you give credit to people :D someone in our IRC gave these links... doesn't really matter, but anyway :D | Feb 12 04:01 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, How many backwards hatemongering spiteful ones do you have up in Canada? | Feb 12 04:01 |
roved2101 | sebsebseb give me a kiss | Feb 12 04:01 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3YOIImOoYMFurnaceBoy: | Feb 12 04:01 |
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schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3YOIImOoYM | Feb 12 04:01 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: stupid stuff can be done else where :) | Feb 12 04:01 |
roved2101 | sebsebseb: calm down man | Feb 12 04:02 |
DaemonFC | Then there's this British National Party which is to the right of Attila the Hun from what I hear | Feb 12 04:02 |
schestowitz | *LOL* | Feb 12 04:02 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: it's a joke really all the security issues for Windows the malware etc, there was even an article before on the BBC website about UK and US goverment computers becoming part of a bot net. and yet banks and loads of companies use Windows hrm | Feb 12 04:03 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: they replace "zi" with "tional" | Feb 12 04:03 |
roved2101 | windows security is really not a priority | Feb 12 04:04 |
schestowitz | gn | Feb 12 04:04 |
roved2101 | there is a trillion dollar industry built around security flaws in windos | Feb 12 04:04 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: yeah exactly | Feb 12 04:04 |
sebsebseb | it's a way for them to make a lot of money | Feb 12 04:04 |
sebsebseb | so no one does it 100% properly | Feb 12 04:04 |
DaemonFC | Windows is becoming more and more secure every day.* *(From you, not exploitative malware) | Feb 12 04:04 |
sebsebseb | and open source projects such as clam win can only do so much | Feb 12 04:05 |
DaemonFC | ClamWin blows | Feb 12 04:05 |
roved2101 | DaemonFC yer only its missing the fly screen | Feb 12 04:05 |
sebsebseb | and that project probably lacks developers | Feb 12 04:05 |
DaemonFC | you have like a coin toss estimate that it catches anything | Feb 12 04:05 |
sebsebseb | and if it had more, it would be better | Feb 12 04:05 |
DaemonFC | no, no realtime scan is just one of the many problems | Feb 12 04:05 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: we haven't invaded anyone lately. see the difference? | Feb 12 04:05 |
Jose_X | flaws are an important part of "encouraging" upgrades (making the old obsolete) | Feb 12 04:05 |
DaemonFC | it also is totally dependent on signatures, it has no heuristic engine | Feb 12 04:06 |
roved2101 | lol | Feb 12 04:06 |
DaemonFC | which is why there's no false positives but such a shitty detection rate too | Feb 12 04:06 |
FurnaceBoy | roved2101 | there is a trillion dollar industry built around security flaws in windos <--- it's called Microsoft :) | Feb 12 04:06 |
Jose_X | holes also exist because they are useful.. eg, as a mechanism to access someone else's pc under the radar | Feb 12 04:06 |
roved2101 | FurnaceBoy and their partners | Feb 12 04:06 |
Jose_X | bugs also create interop problems for competitors and lead customers to make large investments.. who wants to abandon large investments? | Feb 12 04:06 |
DaemonFC | roved2101, I wouldn't trust system security to ClamWin at this point. They say they have heuristics and realtime scanning in the works though. | Feb 12 04:07 |
DaemonFC | if that ever materializes then yes, maybe I would use them | Feb 12 04:07 |
sebsebseb | Windows can be run without the need for anti anything programs | Feb 12 04:07 |
sebsebseb | just most people that use Windows don't know how to do that | Feb 12 04:07 |
DaemonFC | yeah, if you want it to be pwned right away | Feb 12 04:08 |
sebsebseb | no | Feb 12 04:08 |
sebsebseb | you can run limited account | Feb 12 04:08 |
sebsebseb | and Intenret apps in a sand box for example | Feb 12 04:08 |
DaemonFC | like that matters | Feb 12 04:08 |
FurnaceBoy | roved2101: yep:) | Feb 12 04:08 |
DaemonFC | there's so many ways to elevate without needing an administrator account, that a limited user is crippled where viruses aren't | Feb 12 04:08 |
sebsebseb | anyway screw Windows | Feb 12 04:08 |
FurnaceBoy | +1 | Feb 12 04:08 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: @ me I assume? | Feb 12 04:09 |
FurnaceBoy | yes! | Feb 12 04:09 |
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roved2101 | sebsebseb: you do sebsebseb you do | Feb 12 04:09 |
DaemonFC | Windows is such a bloated, messy, hacky mess that running it in any role is frightening | Feb 12 04:10 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: ? | Feb 12 04:10 |
Ender2070 | <DaemonFC> Windows is such a bloated, messy, hacky mess that running it in any role is frightening | Feb 12 04:10 |
Ender2070 | but you love it | Feb 12 04:10 |
roved2101 | sebsebseb ^^ | Feb 12 04:10 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: they have data about you, stored on Windows networks | Feb 12 04:10 |
sebsebseb | about all of us | Feb 12 04:10 |
sebsebseb | not just you | Feb 12 04:10 |
roved2101 | they do sebsebseb they do | Feb 12 04:11 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: now that's worrying really, but what can we do, nothing | Feb 12 04:11 |
DaemonFC | running it on your own PC is scary, but the government stores their info about you on Windows PCs | Feb 12 04:12 |
DaemonFC | everything from Windows 2000 on | Feb 12 04:12 |
roved2101 | lol | Feb 12 04:12 |
sebsebseb | well some goverments are going Linux more | Feb 12 04:12 |
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DaemonFC | if someone accesses the DMV, they can get a copy of my drivers license, my social security number, everything | Feb 12 04:12 |
roved2101 | DaemonFC and your endoscopy too | Feb 12 04:13 |
DaemonFC | Indiana isn't, Microsoft everything on just about every system | Feb 12 04:13 |
sebsebseb | DMV? some American thing I guess | Feb 12 04:13 |
DaemonFC | Deparment of Motor Vehicles | Feb 12 04:13 |
sebsebseb | same thing for the UK | Feb 12 04:13 |
DaemonFC | *Department | Feb 12 04:13 |
sebsebseb | Windows on nearly every PC | Feb 12 04:13 |
roved2101 | sebsebseb too | Feb 12 04:13 |
sebsebseb | Aussie land Windows on nearly every PC plus an added bonus that filter which roved2101 loves | Feb 12 04:13 |
roved2101 | windows is evil | Feb 12 04:13 |
DaemonFC | http://www.in.gov/bmv/ | Feb 12 04:14 |
roved2101 | screw Rudd | Feb 12 04:14 |
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DaemonFC | make sure you get your new FascistID | Feb 12 04:14 |
roved2101 | awesome | Feb 12 04:14 |
DaemonFC | :D | Feb 12 04:14 |
roved2101 | NAZI are taking over the Parties worldwide, the US died long ago | Feb 12 04:14 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: this channel gets publically logged | Feb 12 04:16 |
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DaemonFC | I don't have to get a NaziID until I renew my driver's license in April of 2012 | Feb 12 04:17 |
DaemonFC | :P | Feb 12 04:17 |
roved2101 | sebsebseb Im not afraid | Feb 12 04:19 |
roved2101 | are you sebsebseb | Feb 12 04:19 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: no | Feb 12 04:20 |
roved2101 | then dont worry man | Feb 12 04:21 |
roved2101 | shesshh | Feb 12 04:21 |
DaemonFC | you have to bring your birth certificate, social security card, and some kind of bill that came to your home, which is a nightmare for me | Feb 12 04:21 |
sebsebseb | I'm not | Feb 12 04:21 |
sebsebseb | just saying | Feb 12 04:22 |
DaemonFC | cause my landlord pays the utilities, I don't have a home phone, and my cable bill has the wrong address on it | Feb 12 04:22 |
sebsebseb | so you maybe don't put something really stupid that goes in the log | Feb 12 04:22 |
sebsebseb | I know what your like :D | Feb 12 04:22 |
roved2101 | DaemonFC they cant find Obamas | Feb 12 04:22 |
roved2101 | lol | Feb 12 04:22 |
sebsebseb | roved2101: @ me I assume | Feb 12 04:22 |
roved2101 | no sebsebseb your paranoid | Feb 12 04:23 |
sebsebseb | maybe about certain things, but not this channel | Feb 12 04:23 |
DaemonFC | roved2101, Last time I got my license updated I noticed they were all wearing brown shirts and part of their work uniform | Feb 12 04:23 |
DaemonFC | so I cracked a joke that the brown shirts really do run the DMV | Feb 12 04:24 |
DaemonFC | and the lady didn't get i, lol | Feb 12 04:24 |
DaemonFC | the government always carries on the find tradition of hiring from the shallow end of the gene pool | Feb 12 04:25 |
DaemonFC | *fine | Feb 12 04:25 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: they make more reliable operatives | Feb 12 04:29 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: independent thought is discouraged ;-) | Feb 12 04:29 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: a sense of history is automatic disqualification | Feb 12 04:30 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, DHS are the brownshirts and the state DMVs are just one of their wings now ;) | Feb 12 04:30 |
DaemonFC | that's what I was getting at | Feb 12 04:30 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: AS THE MAYANS PREDICTED | Feb 12 04:30 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yes i know | Feb 12 04:30 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, At least FascistID cards look neater than the old drivers licenses | Feb 12 04:31 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 12 04:31 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Aero! | Feb 12 04:31 |
DaemonFC | Papers please! Ohhhhhh pretty! | Feb 12 04:31 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: DX11! | Feb 12 04:31 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, Old driver's license: http://www.thesapps.com/Doug/wallet/added_02_01_18/indiana_license.jpg | Feb 12 04:32 |
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DaemonFC | http://media.govtech.net/Digital_Publications_Art/New_Indiana_DL.jpg | Feb 12 04:32 |
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DaemonFC | FascistID | Feb 12 04:32 |
FurnaceBoy | they both look like crap. | Feb 12 04:33 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: show us your organ donor card ! | Feb 12 04:33 |
*FurnaceBoy ducks | Feb 12 04:33 | |
DaemonFC | Who wants me to donate my organ? :D | Feb 12 04:34 |
FurnaceBoy | Paris Hilton | Feb 12 04:34 |
DaemonFC | ewwwww | Feb 12 04:34 |
FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 12 04:34 |
FurnaceBoy | +1 to that | Feb 12 04:34 |
DaemonFC | I don't have that on my license | Feb 12 04:35 |
DaemonFC | I also don't have my social security number on it | Feb 12 04:35 |
DaemonFC | ohhh, identity theft AND I get to be suicided so that rich people can carve me up for organs!!! | Feb 12 04:35 |
DaemonFC | sweet!!!! | Feb 12 04:36 |
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DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, I hope I'm a perfect match for some rich asshole that gets to die because my organs are all in my body, rotting with me | Feb 12 04:38 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @gkjohn: RT @KalyanVarma: ToI has apologised on their front page today http://bit.ly/cImSeF Thanks everyone for RT'ing, highlighting this | Feb 12 04:40 | |
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FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yeah I've heard you say that before :) | Feb 12 04:43 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that's why I ducked | Feb 12 04:43 |
DaemonFC | http://www.phoenix.edu/courses/pos/pos355.html | Feb 12 04:47 |
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DaemonFC | this is pitiful | Feb 12 04:47 |
FurnaceBoy | ouch | Feb 12 04:48 |
FurnaceBoy | for once, i strongly agree with you | Feb 12 04:48 |
*FurnaceBoy feels kinda dirty | Feb 12 04:48 | |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, You have to take SIX credit hours of .Net | Feb 12 04:48 |
DaemonFC | lol | Feb 12 04:48 |
FurnaceBoy | jeepers | Feb 12 04:48 |
DaemonFC | http://www.phoenix.edu/programs/degree-programs/technology/bachelors/bsit-se/v006.html | Feb 12 04:48 |
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FurnaceBoy | this is why the US is leading the world | Feb 12 04:49 |
DaemonFC | passes you through with only some vague idea of what Linux is and then the other 99% of the course is .Net and Windows | Feb 12 04:49 |
FurnaceBoy | somebody got a nice kickback | Feb 12 04:49 |
DaemonFC | I'm certain | Feb 12 04:50 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, I saw a TV commercial for them and it piqued my interest | Feb 12 04:50 |
FurnaceBoy | either that, or they are terminally ignorant | Feb 12 04:50 |
FurnaceBoy | like, "i can barely remember to breathe" ignorant | Feb 12 04:51 |
DaemonFC | I'm not going to pay to go through 6 hours of .Net bullshit at like $80 per credit hour | Feb 12 04:51 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 12 04:51 |
DaemonFC | fuck that | Feb 12 04:51 |
FurnaceBoy | well, you could be paid to do it, you confessed above. | Feb 12 04:51 |
FurnaceBoy | you'd do it for $300K | Feb 12 04:51 |
FurnaceBoy | you'd probably whack your own mom for $300K | Feb 12 04:51 |
DaemonFC | I might hold my nose and do it if someone else paid for the entire course | Feb 12 04:51 |
FurnaceBoy | like your employer? | Feb 12 04:51 |
FurnaceBoy | now you're catching on. | Feb 12 04:52 |
DaemonFC | buy out of my money? I'm not paying for a degree with this crap in it | Feb 12 04:52 |
DaemonFC | *but | Feb 12 04:52 |
DaemonFC | sites that run Windows and IIS and serve everything as ASPX tend to be slow, have a lot of server errors when you ask for a page, etc. | Feb 12 04:53 |
DaemonFC | why would anyone pay for Windows? It's not an investment | Feb 12 04:53 |
DaemonFC | it's some mediocre crap that you have to retrain people on constantly that's just barely good enough to work | Feb 12 04:54 |
FurnaceBoy | but you do! | Feb 12 04:55 |
DaemonFC | "Define software quality assurance." = It's full of bugs, not even beta quality, just ship it and let them pay us for updates for years. | Feb 12 04:56 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 12 04:56 |
DaemonFC | "# Identify software testing techniques." = It's leaks RAM until the system crashes, but it'll run long enough for us to complete the demo. | Feb 12 04:57 |
DaemonFC | "Identify software development trends." = Support it until we can make more money selling them the same thing 6 years from now and then kill it. | Feb 12 04:58 |
DaemonFC | "# Examine alternative development methods." = Ones that don't involve building software that lasts which anyone can contribute to that don't make us money exclusively, those are bad. | Feb 12 04:59 |
FurnaceBoy | this to this bloody channel i got nothing much useful done this evening! | Feb 12 04:59 |
FurnaceBoy | thanks to* | Feb 12 05:00 |
jweyrich | you're addicted. | Feb 12 05:00 |
Jose_X | gn | Feb 12 05:00 |
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FurnaceBoy | Jose_X: ciao | Feb 12 05:00 |
FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: :| | Feb 12 05:01 |
FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: preparando-se para o Carnaval? | Feb 12 05:01 |
jweyrich | I haven't done anything useful along all the day/night as well. but I'm procrastinating LOL | Feb 12 05:01 |
FurnaceBoy | yeah me too | Feb 12 05:01 |
*jweyrich hates carnaval | Feb 12 05:02 | |
FurnaceBoy | haahha | Feb 12 05:02 |
FurnaceBoy | well preparing could mean many things | Feb 12 05:02 |
FurnaceBoy | it could mean buying sequined outfits.. | Feb 12 05:02 |
FurnaceBoy | samba lessons... | Feb 12 05:02 |
jweyrich | yeah, I'm mentally prepared. | Feb 12 05:02 |
FurnaceBoy | or.. locking the doors and windows | Feb 12 05:02 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, Dell has Kubuntu Netbook Remix now B-) | Feb 12 05:02 |
DaemonFC | oh no, that's Moblin | Feb 12 05:02 |
DaemonFC | why are they using KDS wallpaper? | Feb 12 05:03 |
FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: whatever else, you and I can agree that it would be good to sit down for a caldinho and caipirinha at Manezinho : | Feb 12 05:03 |
jweyrich | geez! you're resurrecting these memories | Feb 12 05:03 |
FurnaceBoy | yeah | Feb 12 05:03 |
FurnaceBoy | i know.. makes me sad | Feb 12 05:03 |
jweyrich | manezinho was the one near to the office? | Feb 12 05:03 |
FurnaceBoy | yes | Feb 12 05:04 |
DaemonFC | hmmmm. The Ubuntu netbooks at Dell have the same hardware apecs as the Windows one on QVC that my mom was trying to buy, and are $100 cheaper | Feb 12 05:04 |
DaemonFC | lol | Feb 12 05:04 |
jweyrich | yeah, I remember a night we went there | Feb 12 05:04 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: fantastic | Feb 12 05:04 |
jweyrich | mars teaching french lol | Feb 12 05:04 |
FurnaceBoy | hehe | Feb 12 05:04 |
DaemonFC | I may just redirect her to the Dell Mini with Ubuntu on it | Feb 12 05:04 |
jweyrich | Dumbuntu | Feb 12 05:05 |
DaemonFC | saves money, doesn't get hosed with malware | Feb 12 05:05 |
FurnaceBoy | welp nite | Feb 12 05:07 |
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cubezzz2 | googlebot is going nuts again | Feb 12 05:33 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@mjasay what's the point of being a fan of a #monopoly? #microsoft | Feb 12 06:06 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @TEDNews: Q&A with Chris Anderson: "How to present like a #T... http://bit.ly/dajK1v | Feb 12 06:17 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @gkjohn: RT @deepakshenoy: Muthalik face blackening shows: If govt won't stop these bastards, people will take up arms. Now for the Shiv | Feb 12 06:18 | |
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DaemonFC | hehe | Feb 12 06:27 |
DaemonFC | you know......for geolocation getting pushed like crash cocaine, Ubuntu doesn't even use it themselves to figure out which storefront to send you to | Feb 12 06:31 |
omar__ | Greetings all. | Feb 12 06:56 |
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DaemonFC | greetings | Feb 12 06:57 |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Google #Buzz is weird | Feb 12 09:02 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Mouth for Hire #Forrester Research Becomes Even More Discreet http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/12/fraudster-research/ | Feb 12 09:11 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Mouth for Hire #Forrester Research Becomes Even More Discreet http://ur1.ca/m58d #sellout #secret #paytosay | Feb 12 09:12 | |
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schestowitz | ssh -X | Feb 12 09:27 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/clonezilla/ | Feb 12 09:27 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, Walmart dealed with the disaster of having lots of onhand for Dreamcast when Sega announced that it was discontinuing them, the result of that is that I got a Dreamcast for $50, a bunch of accessories real cheap, and have managed to get all 300+ games for it | Feb 12 09:34 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Feb 12 09:34 |
DaemonFC | if they had shut up, Walmart would have sold every last unit for $199.99 | Feb 12 09:35 |
schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/09/AR2010020903974.html | Feb 12 09:36 |
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schestowitz | "Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) has taken massive incoming fire from Democrats for the past five days for exercising a traditional Senate prerogative. He's blocking about 70 administration nominees in order to try to get an Air Force tanker project -- and thousands of jobs -- for his state and to ensure funding for a counterterrorism center there. " | Feb 12 09:36 |
DaemonFC | and there's also the ability to easily run Linux on that thing and make it into a cheap internet kiosk :) | Feb 12 09:36 |
schestowitz | Will you? | Feb 12 09:37 |
schestowitz | [run Linux] | Feb 12 09:37 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'd say that Obama should do 70 recess appointments if needs be | Feb 12 09:37 |
DaemonFC | there's still enough Democrats in Congress to recess properly and give him his chance to do that | Feb 12 09:38 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's not hard, I have done it, it's basically just a stripped down Linux distro that's ported to the Hitachi Super-H | Feb 12 09:38 |
DaemonFC | http://sektori.com/files/28/dreamcast_linux.jpg | Feb 12 09:39 |
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DaemonFC | there's one running a bare X session | Feb 12 09:39 |
DaemonFC | the problem is not using more than 16 MB of RAM, though it's possible to format a memory card as SWAP | Feb 12 09:41 |
schestowitz | http://www.itworld.com/open-source/96170/telling-linux-story | Feb 12 09:43 |
schestowitz | How long was comcastic does for? | Feb 12 09:43 |
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schestowitz | /does/down/ | Feb 12 09:43 |
schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/10/u-georgia-official-a.html | Feb 12 09:43 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, from about 3 AM Wednesday to about 11 PM | Feb 12 09:44 |
DaemonFC | so effectively all day, I was livid | Feb 12 09:44 |
schestowitz | http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/blockbuster-files-for-bankruptcy-in-portugal-blames-internet-pi/ | Feb 12 09:45 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: holy c* | Feb 12 09:45 |
schestowitz | How much in reparations? | Feb 12 09:45 |
DaemonFC | two free On Demand movie coupons | Feb 12 09:45 |
schestowitz | In the past decade the most downtime I had was maybe 4 hours | Feb 12 09:45 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: so 'funny money' | Feb 12 09:45 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Comcast is certain to go down for a few hours at least once a month, that I've noticed | Feb 12 09:45 |
schestowitz | Virtual goods | Feb 12 09:46 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, One time that happened it was right before a holiday (Christmas) so they told me they'd be out the following MONDAY | Feb 12 09:47 |
DaemonFC | and then a bunch more people reported it and so they came out and fixed it | Feb 12 09:47 |
DaemonFC | anytime there's a thunderstorm or a bad snow/ice storm, you'd better just accept that your internet connection is going down | Feb 12 09:47 |
DaemonFC | and usually your TV too, I don't see how satellite could be much worse than this | Feb 12 09:48 |
DaemonFC | lmao "...hosted by the King of England, Tony Blair" -Nigel Bennet | Feb 12 09:50 |
schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10451518-38.html | Feb 12 09:52 |
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schestowitz | Ah | Feb 12 09:52 |
schestowitz | Now comes the "extend" phase | Feb 12 09:52 |
schestowitz | Using phones as tracking devices | Feb 12 09:53 |
schestowitz | Who needs RFID, I guess? | Feb 12 09:53 |
schestowitz | They already have many mechanisms for mapping people | Feb 12 09:53 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Do you have any idea what this "Can't read vesafb.ko: invalid argument" crap is all about? | Feb 12 09:53 |
schestowitz | where? | Feb 12 09:53 |
DaemonFC | prints it out just before X starts | Feb 12 09:54 |
schestowitz | back in 5 minutes... | Feb 12 09:57 |
schestowitz | brb | Feb 12 09:57 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: which distro? | Feb 12 10:07 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu | Feb 12 10:08 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Intentionally bricking XP would not be surprising | Feb 12 10:20 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft has done this ever since IE introduced faulty common controls dlls into Windows 95 that leaked memory | Feb 12 10:20 |
DaemonFC | they want to make you uncomfortable if you don't go out and buy their new things | Feb 12 10:21 |
DaemonFC | Windows 95 starts crashing for no reason, might as well go buy Windows 98 | Feb 12 10:22 |
DaemonFC | XP starts blue screening, throw that PC out and get a new one | Feb 12 10:22 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: intentional? | Feb 12 10:29 |
schestowitz | I doubt it | Feb 12 10:29 |
schestowitz | I suppose you heard about the new kill switch | Feb 12 10:29 |
schestowitz | In Vista 7 | Feb 12 10:30 |
schestowitz | http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/genuinewindows/archive/2010/02/11/windows-activation-technologies-update-for-windows-7.aspx | Feb 12 10:30 |
schestowitz | Haha | Feb 12 10:30 |
schestowitz | Phone+kill, first 'voluntary', later mandatory | Feb 12 10:30 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100129/1527027979.shtml | Feb 12 10:30 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: CBC Gets Two Stories About George Lucas Totally Mixed Up | Techdirt .::. Size~: 58.83 KB | Feb 12 10:30 |
schestowitz | This is surreal http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/08/icelands-paper-of-re.html | Feb 12 10:32 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Iceland's paper of record bans linking Boing Boing .::. Size~: 68.47 KB | Feb 12 10:32 |
DaemonFC | "70 known and potentially dangerous activation exploits." = 70 known cracks that benefit the user by not making them pay us $320 | Feb 12 10:32 |
DaemonFC | lol | Feb 12 10:32 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, One thing that really disgusts me about their "Anytime Upgrade" program is that it doesn't just charge you the difference between what you have and what you want to have, it charges you the full retail upgrade price to the new version the same as if you had Vista or XP | Feb 12 10:34 |
DaemonFC | so nothing you already paid for the version you have now counts | Feb 12 10:35 |
schestowitz | http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2010/02/09 | Feb 12 10:36 |
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DaemonFC | this update won't even do anything, it may remove the crack for now and put you back into grace mode, but 2-3 days later there will be new cracks | Feb 12 10:37 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: well, Microsoft doesn't know how to make money from WIndows | Feb 12 10:37 |
schestowitz | It knows how to force it upon people | Feb 12 10:37 |
schestowitz | Like many Web services | Feb 12 10:37 |
DaemonFC | and if you ever do get to the end of the 30 days, you can rearm 3 more times and get 90 more | Feb 12 10:37 |
schestowitz | Charging is tricky to them | Feb 12 10:37 |
schestowitz | If they charge they can drive away users in developing nations, for example | Feb 12 10:37 |
schestowitz | Imagine if there was no other option (BSD and Linux) | Feb 12 10:38 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Then there's going to be a "fixed" service pack too | Feb 12 10:38 |
DaemonFC | so they're not gaining any ground by turning off what's out there | Feb 12 10:38 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, My favorite was when they did WGA checks on IE and WMP like anyone uses or cares about those | Feb 12 10:39 |
DaemonFC | "When tampering, disabling, or missing licensing files are discovered, the WAT Update runs a check and repair weekly to ensure that the licensing files are properly repaired.", that's funny | Feb 12 10:41 |
DaemonFC | they don't put anything in Windows to stop and purge malware, just cracks that make Windows free | Feb 12 10:41 |
DaemonFC | hmmmm, Outland. that was a good movie | Feb 12 10:44 |
schestowitz | I don't watch many films these days | Feb 12 10:49 |
schestowitz | For a while in 2000 I was going to the cinema every day (theatre) | Feb 12 10:49 |
schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/02/microsoft-wins-windows-xp-wga-lawsuit.ars | Feb 12 10:50 |
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schestowitz | They should just quit WIndows | Feb 12 10:50 |
schestowitz | But Microsoft makes it close to impossible to avoid Windows | Feb 12 10:50 |
schestowitz | Bast*^H^H^H | Feb 12 10:50 |
schestowitz | ryan, can you do videos? http://media-newswire.com/release_1112212.html | Feb 12 10:50 |
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Ender2070 | http://lists.yoper.com/pipermail/yoper-announce/2010-February/000016.html | Feb 12 10:51 |
schestowitz | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/10/2347257/Subversive-Groups-Must-Now-Register-In-South-Carolina | Feb 12 10:51 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot News Story | Subversive Groups Must Now Register In South Carolina .::. Size~: 173.74 KB | Feb 12 10:51 |
Ender2070 | Yoper has KDE 4.4 | Feb 12 10:51 |
schestowitz | Dresden? | Feb 12 10:51 |
DaemonFC | videos like? | Feb 12 10:51 |
schestowitz | SOmething tells me this release will blow | Feb 12 10:52 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: mashups | Feb 12 10:52 |
Ender2070 | "For the most daring of you there is also a BFS enabled kernel available." | Feb 12 10:52 |
Ender2070 | bam, BFS +1 | Feb 12 10:52 |
DaemonFC | brainfuck scheduler? :) | Feb 12 10:52 |
DaemonFC | sweeeet | Feb 12 10:52 |
DaemonFC | yeah, CFS has been quite a disappointment | Feb 12 10:53 |
schestowitz | I heard good things from a friend about Yoper | Feb 12 10:53 |
schestowitz | Some years ago in Ubuntu (7.04) the scheduler sucked | Feb 12 10:53 |
schestowitz | Big lock | Feb 12 10:53 |
schestowitz | But now it's excellent | Feb 12 10:53 |
schestowitz | I think it's h/w-dependent | Feb 12 10:53 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I think at that point, they were using as | Feb 12 10:53 |
DaemonFC | not for sure though | Feb 12 10:53 |
schestowitz | "as"? | Feb 12 10:55 |
schestowitz | as in big-ass scheduler? | Feb 12 10:55 |
DaemonFC | anticipatory scheduler, it was recently deleted | Feb 12 10:55 |
Ender2070 | Fedora is still the best though | Feb 12 10:56 |
Ender2070 | imo | Feb 12 10:56 |
DaemonFC | Ender2070, Phoronix test suite has repeatedly shown Fedora and Ubuntu at a stalemate | Feb 12 10:58 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is not performing well yet though | Feb 12 10:58 |
DaemonFC | Fedora Rawhide is kicking its ass :P | Feb 12 10:59 |
zoobab | hi | Feb 12 11:00 |
DaemonFC | Ender2070, do you have any idea what Warning: Can't read module (really long path to) vesafb.ko: invalid argument is all about? | Feb 12 11:02 |
zoobab | does someone has a good tool to convert a DVD to OGG? | Feb 12 11:03 |
zoobab | I tried Winff, but you have to select the VOB files | Feb 12 11:03 |
DaemonFC | zoobab, VLC can do it | Feb 12 11:04 |
DaemonFC | Handbrake can do it faster | Feb 12 11:04 |
zoobab | is Handbrake in debian? | Feb 12 11:04 |
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DaemonFC | http://handbrake.fr/downloads.php | Feb 12 11:04 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: HandBrake .::. Size~: 11.24 KB | Feb 12 11:04 |
DaemonFC | I usually use xvid though | Feb 12 11:05 |
schestowitz | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/11/1735210/Anti-Piracy-Windows-7-Update-Phones-Home-Quarterly?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 "Update: 02/12 02:08 GMT by KD : Corrected the Microsoft Knowledge Base number to include a leading 9 that had been omitted in the pre-announcement, per L. Weinstein." | Feb 12 11:05 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Anti-Piracy Windows 7 Update Phones Home Quarterly .::. Size~: 184.43 KB | Feb 12 11:05 |
DaemonFC | plop the xvid on a CD and stuff it in the DVD player, it'll play (in mine anyway) | Feb 12 11:05 |
DaemonFC | or you can make one that's 4.4 GB and plop it on a DVD-R :) | Feb 12 11:06 |
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zoobab | nice software, I just discovered it | Feb 12 11:06 |
DaemonFC | MPEG-4 ASP is still outperforming Theora by a lot | Feb 12 11:07 |
zoobab | mp4 = patents | Feb 12 11:07 |
DaemonFC | DIVX and XVID are exactly the same bitstream format, so anything stamped DIVX will play either | Feb 12 11:07 |
zoobab | divx and xvid has also patent problems | Feb 12 11:07 |
DaemonFC | I care? | Feb 12 11:08 |
DaemonFC | xvid works on my DVD player, Theora doesn't | Feb 12 11:08 |
DaemonFC | end of debate | Feb 12 11:08 |
DaemonFC | xvid works on my MP3 players, Theora doesn't | Feb 12 11:08 |
DaemonFC | end of debate | Feb 12 11:08 |
zoobab | mpeg2 is full of patents, hostile to free software | Feb 12 11:09 |
zoobab | end of debate | Feb 12 11:09 |
DaemonFC | fuck em | Feb 12 11:09 |
DaemonFC | I'm not paying | Feb 12 11:09 |
DaemonFC | bite me | Feb 12 11:09 |
DaemonFC | end of debate :) | Feb 12 11:09 |
Diablo-D3 | mp4 is a container | Feb 12 11:09 |
Diablo-D3 | I think you mean mpeg4 | Feb 12 11:09 |
DaemonFC | patents for MPEG really only matter on the web as pertains to <video> | Feb 12 11:10 |
DaemonFC | cause there they can actually cause lots of harm | Feb 12 11:10 |
Eruaran | Login problem for Kubuntu users after updating to KDE SC 4.4 has been resolved in updates | Feb 12 11:10 |
DaemonFC | Theora is more important with embedded videos on web pages than what an individual user makes their private video library with | Feb 12 11:11 |
schestowitz | http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/24802/ | Feb 12 11:12 |
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schestowitz | Google is so innovative that it buys companies | Feb 12 11:12 |
schestowitz | http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/02/firefound-track-your-stolen-or-missing.html | Feb 12 11:12 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: FireFound- Track your stolen or missing computer through Firefox | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 91.29 KB | Feb 12 11:12 |
Eruaran | I think I've heard of Aardvark | Feb 12 11:12 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: no | Feb 12 11:13 |
Diablo-D3 | they bought ex googlers | Feb 12 11:13 |
DaemonFC | zoobab, I also won't use mkv | Feb 12 11:13 |
cubezzz2 | what's wrong with mkv? | Feb 12 11:17 |
DaemonFC | mp4 is less overhead and is actually understood on hardware :) | Feb 12 11:17 |
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DaemonFC | I like things that are only complicated enough to do what I want them to do | Feb 12 11:19 |
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DaemonFC | the Ogg container is actually pretty bloated | Feb 12 11:22 |
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DaemonFC | 15% or so of your Ogg Vorbis file is the container overhead | Feb 12 11:22 |
DaemonFC | if they had a minimal container that was really only meant for Vorbis and didn't have to stream, you could get the overhead down to 6-7% maybe | Feb 12 11:24 |
DaemonFC | try putting FLAC in an Ogg container and the file gets bigger, you can stream them though | Feb 12 11:24 |
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schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2789&blogid=14 | Feb 12 11:29 |
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schestowitz | Read the part about swpat | Feb 12 11:29 |
DaemonFC | I'm opposed to the Ubuntu music store for two reasons | Feb 12 11:29 |
DaemonFC | 1. They'll be MP3 | Feb 12 11:29 |
DaemonFC | 2. They'll be MP3 | Feb 12 11:29 |
DaemonFC | you lose on two counts, they're non-free and they're lossy files at CD prices | Feb 12 11:30 |
DaemonFC | If I see them passing out FLAC files with no funny business, I might do business with them :) | Feb 12 11:31 |
schestowitz | zoobab: http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2010/02/11/sap-as-a-case-study-for-open-source-engagement/ | Feb 12 11:31 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, Jono still won't tell me what they're planning | Feb 12 11:32 |
schestowitz | He doesn't dcide | Feb 12 11:32 |
DaemonFC | can only make me suspicious that they're up to no good | Feb 12 11:32 |
schestowitz | He's a PR type | Feb 12 11:32 |
schestowitz | To them at least | Feb 12 11:32 |
schestowitz | jono is to Canonical what the priesthood is to Brand Obama | Feb 12 11:33 |
DaemonFC | well, he needs to inform the public what they're up to or the public should (rightly) be distrustful and cynical of their motives | Feb 12 11:33 |
schestowitz | He makes phonecalls | Feb 12 11:33 |
schestowitz | To goblin for example | Feb 12 11:33 |
schestowitz | medation | Feb 12 11:33 |
schestowitz | *mediation | Feb 12 11:33 |
DaemonFC | well, you can't beat an honest answer out of him, I guess I'll give up and see what utter shit they roll out | Feb 12 11:34 |
DaemonFC | probably just another damned MP3 store | Feb 12 11:34 |
DaemonFC | that's really the last thing the world needs | Feb 12 11:35 |
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DaemonFC | there's enough stores spewing out MP3s that you can already buy from | Feb 12 11:35 |
DaemonFC | if I was interested in buying MP3 I would go to Amazon or 7digital or LaLa and buy some MP3 | Feb 12 11:36 |
DaemonFC | I don't pay full price and get 1/5th quality | Feb 12 11:36 |
DaemonFC | MP3 is just good enough to work on a portable, but I have some decent speakers where MP3 is just not cutting it | Feb 12 11:37 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, MP3 fails particularly badly on string instruments | Feb 12 11:38 |
DaemonFC | that's where you can really spot the MP3 | Feb 12 11:38 |
DaemonFC | Amazon is selling like all these "99 best of Mozart" type deals, out of context, and in MP3 | Feb 12 11:39 |
DaemonFC | people buy them cause it's $2 :P | Feb 12 11:39 |
schestowitz | INNOVA~1 http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/02/first-look-at-buzz-much-potential-not-much-innovation-yet.ars | Feb 12 11:40 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: First look at Buzz: much potential, not much innovation yet .::. Size~: 37.32 KB | Feb 12 11:40 |
Ender2070 | http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/10/australian-farmers-told-dynamite-rabbits/?test=latestnews | Feb 12 11:59 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: FOXNews.com - Australian Farmers Told to Dynamite Rabbits .::. Size~: 106.42 KB | Feb 12 11:59 |
Ender2070 | http://www.kcra.com/news/22530778/detail.html | Feb 12 12:02 |
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zoobab | SAP is lobbying the European Commission for UPLS/EUEPLA | Feb 12 12:04 |
DaemonFC | Ender2070, He's an ugly little spud :P | Feb 12 12:05 |
DaemonFC | looks like a botched ice cream robbery alright | Feb 12 12:05 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Devinder_Sharma: GM industry is howling in India because the moratorium on Bt brinjal has hit them where it hurts most. | Feb 12 12:09 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Google fucks over the privacy of Gmail users who really need it http://is.gd/8e1xj #buzz #buzzfail | Feb 12 12:10 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] attending anti-posco struggle solidarity meeting organised by people's solidarity concerns @ scm house | Feb 12 12:27 | |
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_goblin | morning all | Feb 12 12:31 |
schestowitz | http://slashdot.jp/it/article.pl?sid=10/02/04/0957205 | Feb 12 12:33 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: デンマーク中央政府、編集可能な文書ファイル形式としてODFを義務付け - スラッシュドット・ジャパン .::. Size~: 45.65 KB | Feb 12 12:33 |
schestowitz | I didn't know it has such domains..... | Feb 12 12:33 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @floschie Let's try RD: @floeff: OpenOffice.org 3.2 available - http://ur1.ca/m5w9 - Your Office Suite of Choice for the Year 2010 | Feb 12 12:36 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] A decision on the Enlarged Board of Appeal referral can be expected soon, even if the referral itself is rejected: http://i5.be/atd | Feb 12 12:36 | |
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schestowitz | "Russia is in Europe" http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OpenDocument&diff=341683953&oldid=prev&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PlanetODF+%28Planet+ODF%29 | Feb 12 12:38 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, The computers classifieds on Craiglist are a hoot | Feb 12 12:39 |
DaemonFC | "buy my broken PowerMac" | Feb 12 12:39 |
DaemonFC | "$100 emachine with XP, great for gamers" | Feb 12 12:39 |
Omar87 | Hi all. | Feb 12 12:40 |
DaemonFC | 2004 gaming computer - $600 | Feb 12 12:40 |
DaemonFC | lol | Feb 12 12:40 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, ping. | Feb 12 12:40 |
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DaemonFC | For Sale: My 10 year old garbage. Asking $500. Description: This is the perfect PC for gamers!!!!111111 | Feb 12 12:43 |
DaemonFC | Includes: 833 Mhz Celeron, 128 MB of SD RAM, 20 GB hard drive, Windows 98 SE | Feb 12 12:43 |
DaemonFC | Voodoo 2 1000 graphics card with 12 MB of dedicated onboard SD RAM! | Feb 12 12:44 |
DaemonFC | don't let this opportunity pass you by | Feb 12 12:44 |
_goblin | hi Roy. | Feb 12 12:46 |
_goblin | Just had a little go of Glest..... | Feb 12 12:46 |
DaemonFC | http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/sys/1588652750.html | Feb 12 12:46 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Apple Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger ibook G3 12" Laptop M6497 .::. Size~: 4.45 KB | Feb 12 12:46 |
_goblin | decent program. | Feb 12 12:46 |
DaemonFC | wheee, a G3 | Feb 12 12:46 |
DaemonFC | and I see Internet Explorer is included | Feb 12 12:47 |
DaemonFC | what a bargain! | Feb 12 12:47 |
Omar87 | Guys don you think FSF should start a campaign against M$'s Imagine Cuffs? | Feb 12 12:47 |
Omar87 | I think it's important to spread the awareness against the scam called "ImagineCup". | Feb 12 12:48 |
DaemonFC | Omar87, You go after the 88 cent tacos, you get explosive diarrhea and heartburn | Feb 12 12:48 |
DaemonFC | fact of life, my friend | Feb 12 12:48 |
Omar87 | DaemonFC, what? | Feb 12 12:48 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @eduvid Hall of Shame : Indian Website which need IE and close standard http://post.ly/NTWv | Feb 12 12:48 | |
DaemonFC | people go after no-name Windows PCs because they're advertised as the 88 cent tacos | Feb 12 12:48 |
DaemonFC | they get everything you can expect out of a lowball system | Feb 12 12:49 |
DaemonFC | cut rate hardware and an OS that is full of holes and slow | Feb 12 12:49 |
Omar87 | DaemonFC, so what's the point you're point? :D | Feb 12 12:50 |
DaemonFC | there's a reason the Mac dominates >$1000 market | Feb 12 12:50 |
DaemonFC | Omar87, Microsoft dumps money into convincing people that they're the cheapest solution | Feb 12 12:50 |
DaemonFC | all those I'm a PC commercials | Feb 12 12:50 |
DaemonFC | "zomgwtfbbq!!! A Mac is $1200!?!?!?" "And I can get this shitty low res cut rate failure prone HP laptop with Vista for $800!!!" | Feb 12 12:51 |
Omar87 | DaemonFC, I'm now talking about the filthy scam called "ImagineCup". Where young men simply sell their innovations to the convicted monopolist in return for a couple thousand bucks. | Feb 12 12:51 |
Omar87 | DaemonFC, yeah, I agree. | Feb 12 12:51 |
DaemonFC | competing on price only tells you they're cheaper, not that they're any good | Feb 12 12:52 |
Omar87 | DaemonFC, that's the reason why they decided to let sell Windows in China for as low as $5 or so. | Feb 12 12:52 |
DaemonFC | Omar87, That's funny really | Feb 12 12:52 |
DaemonFC | anyone smart enough to have an idea yet stupid enough to sell it for a pittance? | Feb 12 12:53 |
Omar87 | DaemonFC, true, but disgusting as well. | Feb 12 12:53 |
DaemonFC | Maybe they deserve to be robbed? :P | Feb 12 12:53 |
Omar87 | DaemonFC, lol | Feb 12 12:53 |
DaemonFC | Omar87, The point is they still lose because nobody is willing to put up with Windows Starter | Feb 12 12:54 |
MinceR | 134227 < Omar87> Guys don you think FSF should start a campaign against M$'s Imagine Cuffs? | Feb 12 12:54 |
MinceR | that's potentially a great idea | Feb 12 12:54 |
DaemonFC | they're BEGGING you to torrent a better Windows version or just nuke it and install Linux | Feb 12 12:54 |
DaemonFC | I doubt anyone uses Starter | Feb 12 12:54 |
Omar87 | They are ignorants. So I guess it would be more humane to spread the awareness about the ImagineCuffs scam. | Feb 12 12:55 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft only really wins if you buy an expensive Windows license and/or lots of crap like Office and programs from their "partners" | Feb 12 12:55 |
Omar87 | DaemonFC, Exactly. | Feb 12 12:55 |
DaemonFC | if you get a Windows PC and use FOSS and freeware, Microsoft doesn't get that much of a sale | Feb 12 12:55 |
MinceR | but i don't really know how ImagineCuffs work | Feb 12 12:56 |
DaemonFC | I doubt anyone would use that except starving inventors that see it as a way to eat tonight | Feb 12 12:56 |
MinceR | i got some spam mail about it and that's about all | Feb 12 12:56 |
DaemonFC | I'd hurry up and take out a patent in my own name and sue Microsoft for using my property | Feb 12 12:57 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 12 12:57 |
DaemonFC | get a lot more money that way | Feb 12 12:57 |
Omar87 | I am sure that most of these people are merely innocent young men looking for a chance to show off their innovative talents. Too bad Microsoft is very good at luring them into selling their talents to it without even noticing. | Feb 12 12:57 |
DaemonFC | say I get a $10 million settlement, I take the money, and then I put my patent into the public domain | Feb 12 12:57 |
DaemonFC | everyone wins :) | Feb 12 12:57 |
Omar87 | DaemonFC, nice one! :D | Feb 12 12:58 |
schestowitz | Omar87: Vista 7 Sins includes a part about EDGI/dumping | Feb 12 12:58 |
Omar87 | Everyone wins except for MS, that is. | Feb 12 12:58 |
schestowitz | The FSF's head had asked me for feedback before it went live | Feb 12 12:58 |
schestowitz | But it doesn't go deep enough into explosing the corruption | Feb 12 12:58 |
schestowitz | Many people are repelled when crime is shown to them | Feb 12 12:59 |
DaemonFC | put a few million of my money out as seed funds for FOSS that opposes Microsoft | Feb 12 12:59 |
schestowitz | It doesn't convince them to be drawn in to the FSF | Feb 12 12:59 |
DaemonFC | live in comfort for the rest of my life :) | Feb 12 12:59 |
schestowitz | BN is more blunt about such things (crime) | Feb 12 12:59 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, True. But now I'm talking about ImagineCuff. I think it's very important to try to open as many minds about it as we possibly can. | Feb 12 12:59 |
schestowitz | Omar87: BTW | Feb 12 12:59 |
schestowitz | I used the term ImagineCuff the other day | Feb 12 12:59 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, I know. I've read that. | Feb 12 13:00 |
schestowitz | "Georgia Tech this month, under the “Imagine Cuffs” [sic] " | Feb 12 13:00 |
DaemonFC | If I had some millions to invest in FOSS, I'd probably pour it into Debian | Feb 12 13:00 |
DaemonFC | they're probably the least corrupt big FOSS project at the moment | Feb 12 13:00 |
schestowitz | Omar87: maybe I'll start a wiki pages about it when we gather enough examples | Feb 12 13:00 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, that would be great. | Feb 12 13:01 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-01-31-005-35-NW-DP | Feb 12 13:01 |
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DaemonFC | I still don't think Mono is in the default Debian install | Feb 12 13:01 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, I think also the FSF should shed enough light at it as well. | Feb 12 13:01 |
schestowitz | Here's how you can also help | Feb 12 13:01 |
schestowitz | google-search the site for a topic like "UAE" and "Jordan" | Feb 12 13:01 |
schestowitz | Gather the links and title in Wiki style | Feb 12 13:02 |
schestowitz | Like "* [URL TITLE] | Feb 12 13:02 |
schestowitz | Then send it to make to make a wiki page that acts like a channel/tag | Feb 12 13:02 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] London bus maps on a web page! http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/gettingaround/maps/buses/?q=N73 (spotted by pir) | Feb 12 13:02 | |
Omar87 | schestowitz, I think I might very well try to build a Wiki with MoinMoin about it soon. | Feb 12 13:02 |
schestowitz | Then I maintain it every time something matches that | Feb 12 13:02 |
schestowitz | Omar87: you can put that in your wiki too | Feb 12 13:03 |
schestowitz | Creative Commons | Feb 12 13:03 |
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schestowitz | You can do if for your own and put a copy in BN | Feb 12 13:03 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, sorry, but I didn't get the "google-search" part. Can you explain further please? | Feb 12 13:03 |
schestowitz | Pages like this one help people: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/EDGI | Feb 12 13:04 |
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schestowitz | For someone who's new to EDGI this page can help | Feb 12 13:04 |
schestowitz | Omar87: like this: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+jordan&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Feb 12 13:04 |
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schestowitz | That's a decent and fast way to find all the posts matching some theme/topic | Feb 12 13:04 |
schestowitz | Then open them all in tabs and make a list of *[URL post_title] | Feb 12 13:05 |
Omar87 | schestowitz, Thanks a lor | Feb 12 13:05 |
Omar87 | lot* | Feb 12 13:05 |
Omar87 | brb | Feb 12 13:05 |
schestowitz | Omar87: EDGI Finale: Microsoft’s “Linux Compete Squad” | Feb 12 13:07 |
schestowitz | Here | Feb 12 13:07 |
schestowitz | Like thttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_in_Jordan | Feb 12 13:07 |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Why did Ofcom back down over DRM at the BBC? http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/feb/09/ofcom | Feb 12 13:07 | |
Omar87 | back | Feb 12 13:10 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hmmm http://lifehacker.com/5469612/best-netbook-operating-system | Feb 12 13:13 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Best Netbook Operating System? - NetBooks - Lifehacker .::. Size~: 67.23 KB | Feb 12 13:13 |
schestowitz | http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.version2.dk%2Fartikel%2F13690-breaking-odf-vinder-dokumentformatkrig&sl=da&tl=en | Feb 12 13:15 |
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schestowitz | Omar87: see http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_in_Jordan | Feb 12 13:16 |
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schestowitz | It takes a short time to just do a quick search on the topic, then make a list of links. BN contains about 50,000 external links | Feb 12 13:16 |
schestowitz | I gather them under instructive posts | Feb 12 13:16 |
schestowitz | We need a page on UAE too | Feb 12 13:16 |
schestowitz | This way you can quickly point someone from UAE to the mischiefs of Microsoft over there | Feb 12 13:17 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/29/danes_ditch_microsoft/ | Feb 12 13:18 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Danes ditch Microsoft, take ODF road - at last • The Register .::. Size~: 28.02 KB | Feb 12 13:18 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, If they can take a moment from their busy schedule of hanging homosexuals, right? | Feb 12 13:18 |
DaemonFC | I mean, that can be very time consuming | Feb 12 13:18 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/notes2self/statuses/8376779499?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PlanetODF+%28Planet+ODF%29 | Feb 12 13:19 |
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schestowitz | "@rcweir I think you're too close to see this objectively Rob. There's been an "ODF only" lobbying activity in Dk hence the ODF call out" | Feb 12 13:19 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: homosexuals are non-violent for the most part | Feb 12 13:19 |
schestowitz | I don't have a problem with the gay community | Feb 12 13:19 |
DaemonFC | that's never stopped those people over there before | Feb 12 13:19 |
schestowitz | Some people fear it because it evokes their fear of attraction to males | Feb 12 13:19 |
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schestowitz | In Iraq they gassed Kurds, in Nazi Germany they gassed Gypsies, Jews, and gays | Feb 12 13:21 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Been playing Glest. Love it! #linux #foss | Feb 12 13:21 | |
schestowitz | I don't know about UAE, DaemonFC | Feb 12 13:21 |
schestowitz | I don't think it's as severe as say... Saudi Arabia | Feb 12 13:21 |
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schestowitz | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/01/29/1357203/Denmark-Chooses-ODF-Document-Format | Feb 12 13:22 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot News Story | Denmark Chooses OpenDocument Format .::. Size~: 160.35 KB | Feb 12 13:22 |
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schestowitz | http://twitter.com/Keltounet/statuses/8374864446 | Feb 12 13:22 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Twitter / Ollivier Robert: RT @drosoo: Finally, open ... .::. Size~: 10.34 KB | Feb 12 13:22 |
_goblin_ | o2 is playing up as usual | Feb 12 13:22 |
schestowitz | Damn. I'm dumping ODF planet | Feb 12 13:22 |
_goblin_ | why? | Feb 12 13:23 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, You have to harass and suppress people just enough to avoid an armed rebellion (assuming they have those numbers) | Feb 12 13:24 |
DaemonFC | a minority has to be pretty sizable before the majority is afraid to commit crimes against them | Feb 12 13:24 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's one big reason why I could never wrap my head around South African apartheid | Feb 12 13:24 |
DaemonFC | I just never could grasp 11% of the population suppressing 89% successfully | Feb 12 13:24 |
DaemonFC | how does your enemy outnumber you 9 to 1 and you get away with bullying them? | Feb 12 13:24 |
schestowitz | I'll tweet it | Feb 12 13:24 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've decided to drop/stop reading #ODF Planet. Too much noise, too little signal, esp. b/c of twitter inclusion. @rcweir any alt? | Feb 12 13:24 | |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: "enemy"? | Feb 12 13:24 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, that's why apartheid sticks out, German Jews weren't 89% of the population of Germany | Feb 12 13:25 |
DaemonFC | the Kurds were never 89% of Iraq | Feb 12 13:25 |
DaemonFC | how the FUCK did apartheid happen? | Feb 12 13:25 |
DaemonFC | I can understand a minority being oppressed, not a minority being the oppressors | Feb 12 13:26 |
oiaohm | There are rare cases of the reverse. | Feb 12 13:26 |
oiaohm | Normally they have to be pritty darn savage. | Feb 12 13:27 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, There had to have been some kind of passive acceptance on the part of non-white South Africans for that to pass | Feb 12 13:27 |
DaemonFC | they could have torn the people "oppressing" them a new asshole with those numbers | Feb 12 13:27 |
DaemonFC | armed or not | Feb 12 13:27 |
oiaohm | Its the britsh that started. it. | Feb 12 13:27 |
DaemonFC | :D | Feb 12 13:28 |
oiaohm | India was no different either. | Feb 12 13:28 |
oiaohm | Both britsh ruled areas. | Feb 12 13:28 |
DaemonFC | the same British that offered black slaved in colonial America freedom if they would take up arms against the United States | Feb 12 13:28 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 12 13:28 |
oiaohm | Both used if you don't do what we want we will shot you. | Feb 12 13:28 |
DaemonFC | *slaves | Feb 12 13:28 |
oiaohm | Remember the minority had guns and the majority did not. | Feb 12 13:29 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm, That's true, but it's only going to go so far as a counterbalance | Feb 12 13:29 |
oiaohm | In both south africa and india cases. | Feb 12 13:29 |
DaemonFC | it shouldn't have kept them in power for a week, much less over 50 years | Feb 12 13:29 |
oiaohm | Really machine guns. | Feb 12 13:30 |
DaemonFC | I think the funniest part of our revolutionary war were the snipers | Feb 12 13:31 |
DaemonFC | they started picking off British officers and the rest of their men had no idea what to do, panicked, and ran off in every direction :D | Feb 12 13:31 |
oiaohm | It was MAHATMA GANDHI that freed the is own people in South Africa before return to India to sort out the rest. | Feb 12 13:32 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Belgian Government spreading DOCX files on its website: http://i5.be/atg despite the promises to switch to ODF: http://i5.be/ati | Feb 12 13:32 | |
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DaemonFC | I believe the word the British used to describe that was "Ungentlemanly" | Feb 12 13:32 |
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oiaohm | It was not as bad as one of Australias worse war times losses. Being dropped on the wrong beach by the British. | Feb 12 13:33 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, when did this happen? | Feb 12 13:33 |
Eruaran | World War 1 | Feb 12 13:34 |
Eruaran | Gallipoli | Feb 12 13:34 |
schestowitz | I just got a better BN intro French translation into HTML | Feb 12 13:35 |
schestowitz | I translated it to Wiki syntax and put it under http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Francais | Feb 12 13:35 |
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oiaohm | Gallipoli is also where the Australian and Newzland soliders got the name diggers. About the only way to stay alive there was dig in. DaemonFC | Feb 12 13:37 |
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_goblin_ | I nearly despise wordpress as much as I do O2 | Feb 12 13:42 |
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*schestowitz <3 WordPress | Feb 12 13:44 | |
schestowitz | Google censors Youtube nasties http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1591577/google-censors-youtube-nasties | Feb 12 13:48 |
schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1591519/microsoft-apple-stole-technology | Feb 12 13:48 |
schestowitz | "@rcweir there is still a lot of repetition [...] @rcweir can twitter items be flagged uniquely with a symbol (For filtering)?" | Feb 12 13:49 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Erika Mann now working for CCIA in Brussels, she was tabling the interop amendments of IBM and al in the swpat directive: http://i5.be/atk | Feb 12 13:49 | |
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schestowitz | zoobab: IIRC, Emblaze does LiMo | Feb 12 13:50 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Toshiba invents a tiny 1TB SSD http://is.gd/8elq5 #storage #disc drives | Feb 12 13:52 | |
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DaemonFC | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/7190399/Microsoft-launches-child-friendly-Internet-Explorer.html | Feb 12 13:53 |
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DaemonFC | It has snuggly tentacles | Feb 12 13:53 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Intel taps student's robot for processor demo - http://bit.ly/93kRJ0 which just happens to run Ubuntu (via @zup2u2) | Feb 12 13:54 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jmcesteves Germany: the Federal Criminal Police Office dbs and the surveillance of “troublemakers” http://is.gd/8aALY | Feb 12 13:55 | |
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DaemonFC | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/11/firefox_add_on_false_alarm/ | Feb 12 13:57 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Deletes Blogger Posts http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/24/google-deletes-blogger-posts do know evil? | Feb 12 13:58 | |
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schestowitz | yes, I mentiond this earlier | Feb 12 13:58 |
schestowitz | http://kara.allthingsd.com/20100210/myspace-ceo-van-natta-was-fired-by-news-corp-digital-head-miller-in-late-afternoon-meeting/ | Feb 12 13:59 |
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schestowitz | "@glynmoody you beat them to it http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/02/10/bbc-journalists-commanded-to-use-social-media " | Feb 12 14:07 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I found this hypocrisy hilarious: UK slams Iran for "surveillance" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8511035.stm | Feb 12 14:07 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @greve #KDE 4.4 looks awesome http://is.gd/80JMg Congratulations to all who contributed! | Feb 12 14:10 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Get the hell off Google Buzz as absolutely soon as possible. http://is.gd/8eqkj http://is.gd/8eqpx | Feb 12 14:12 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] CCIA launched a dedicated blog on IP and patents earlier in January: http://i5.be/atl | Feb 12 14:23 | |
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schestowitz | http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/UK_loses_appeal_to_conceal_Binyam_Mohamed_torture | Feb 12 14:26 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard DW/LJ: Get the hell off Google Buzz as absolutely soon as possible. http://is.gd/8eqkj http://is.gd/8eqpx | Feb 12 14:26 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] O2....I cannot trust its internet service anymore. Unreliable, even AOL on a bad day isn't like this. Im moving. #fail | Feb 12 14:28 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] And Ive issues with Wordpress browser based editor, what you see is not what you get, awful.... Think it's time Openbytes moved too. #fail | Feb 12 14:29 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab #Microsoft bought them out of the case. The CEO, Ed Black, received millions in Microsoft money personally. | Feb 12 14:30 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin a friend of mine uses multiple ISPs for fallbacks in the countryside | Feb 12 14:31 | |
meshug | hi | Feb 12 14:37 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Interesting blog of CCIA about software patents, patent trolls and al, but their call for reform will keep swpats alive: http://i5.be/atm | Feb 12 14:38 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz its just O2. Nobody else in our village suffers with issues.....btw you know last night I spoke with Jono....what a gentleman! | Feb 12 14:38 | |
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schestowitz | hey, meshug | Feb 12 14:39 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz and I wish I could be in BN IRC at the moment, but its pointless when with O2 | Feb 12 14:39 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin he is, but it's like PR. Be careful | Feb 12 14:39 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz it wasn't really that sort of conversation...it was mostly an informal chat...I was very impressed. | Feb 12 14:40 | |
meshug | what is bntwitter? | Feb 12 14:40 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz one thing is for sure he has a real passion and I do believe the best of intentions. | Feb 12 14:42 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz whilst I don't like the GIMP decision, I can understand why its been removed. | Feb 12 14:43 | |
MinceR | meshug: a bot that polls twitter and dumps some twits here | Feb 12 14:44 |
meshug | so, spamming here | Feb 12 14:44 |
meshug | cool | Feb 12 14:44 |
MinceR | twitter->irc gateway | Feb 12 14:44 |
*meshug is now known as meshuggah | Feb 12 14:44 | |
meshuggah | it even show up in the other network i joined | Feb 12 14:45 |
schestowitz | MinceR: trolling here? Not cool | Feb 12 14:45 |
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MinceR | schestowitz: hm? | Feb 12 14:46 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] *sigh* cleaning up a machine for my mum.. xp.. :( | Feb 12 14:46 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin I spoke to him too. But my opinions still stand. | Feb 12 14:46 | |
schestowitz | MinceR: I think it's trolling | Feb 12 14:46 |
meshuggah | ? | Feb 12 14:47 |
schestowitz | you accuse me of spamming this channel? | Feb 12 14:47 |
meshuggah | he is telling me bullshit? | Feb 12 14:47 |
schestowitz | It's like those people who say that people are "trolling" by writing a blog of their own | Feb 12 14:47 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin he has just entered the channel | Feb 12 14:47 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and now my page has completely disapeared from Wordpress | Feb 12 14:47 | |
meshuggah | bntwitter is spamming | Feb 12 14:47 |
schestowitz | Or that advancing Linux is "spamming" | Feb 12 14:47 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin sounds like host issue, maybe | Feb 12 14:48 | |
meshuggah | lol, no, but this damn bot is spamming and is disturbing | Feb 12 14:48 |
schestowitz | meshuggah: it's communication among/from other regulars of BN | Feb 12 14:48 |
meshuggah | what is bn? | Feb 12 14:48 |
schestowitz | It's not "spamming", it's sometimes timely signal like fast announcements of stuff | Feb 12 14:49 |
schestowitz | BN is short for the site's name, which is cumbersome | Feb 12 14:49 |
meshuggah | it says things i dont care to read | Feb 12 14:49 |
meshuggah | oh ok | Feb 12 14:49 |
schestowitz | Use a filter | Feb 12 14:49 |
meshuggah | boycottnovell | Feb 12 14:49 |
meshuggah | nope i cant | Feb 12 14:49 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Msg to Jono: Sorry my ISP is playing up can't come into IRC...Thanks for the conversation last night, interesting and enlightening! Cheers! | Feb 12 14:49 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin @schestowitz the problem with the removal of Gimp is the lack of anything unproblematic as a replacement. krita?? | Feb 12 14:49 | |
meshuggah | i never ignored someone/something i wnot begin | Feb 12 14:49 |
schestowitz | /ignore BNtwitter | Feb 12 14:49 |
meshuggah | i cant | Feb 12 14:49 |
meshuggah | it is weak | Feb 12 14:49 |
meshuggah | only the weak ignores | Feb 12 14:49 |
schestowitz | OK | Feb 12 14:50 |
meshuggah | i am new here | Feb 12 14:50 |
meshuggah | so why boycott novell? | Feb 12 14:50 |
schestowitz | Nice to meet you | Feb 12 14:50 |
meshuggah | and can you remember me who they are | Feb 12 14:50 |
meshuggah | nice to meet you too | Feb 12 14:50 |
schestowitz | meshuggah: see the front page of the site | Feb 12 14:50 |
schestowitz | It explains it in about 8 lamguages | Feb 12 14:50 |
meshuggah | lol | Feb 12 14:50 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Oh yes, mine do to. I feel no different about Mono et al, however I do feel encouraged with the direction of Ubuntu. | Feb 12 14:50 | |
meshuggah | i want YOU to explain | Feb 12 14:50 |
meshuggah | not a website ;P | Feb 12 14:50 |
meshuggah | i prefer to talk to human | Feb 12 14:51 |
meshuggah | a website dont listen my question nor repluy | Feb 12 14:51 |
schestowitz | True | Feb 12 14:51 |
MinceR | i think he wrote that page :> | Feb 12 14:51 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin @schestowitz i mean, i'm a big fan and frequent user of Gimp and it's really difficult for people who don't think in design to use | Feb 12 14:51 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin Chrome OS? | Feb 12 14:51 | |
schestowitz | But I can copy and paste the page for you | Feb 12 14:51 |
meshuggah | lol | Feb 12 14:51 |
meshuggah | hehe | Feb 12 14:51 |
meshuggah | okok | Feb 12 14:51 |
meshuggah | i will click | Feb 12 14:51 |
meshuggah | so what is url? | Feb 12 14:52 |
meshuggah | xD | Feb 12 14:52 |
meshuggah | i dont see it in topic | Feb 12 14:52 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard it's getting single-window mode soon | Feb 12 14:52 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard Im with you 100% with not wanting GIMP removed infact its even more devastating in my case because the intended deployment.... | Feb 12 14:52 | |
schestowitz | meshuggah: http://boycottnovell.com | Feb 12 14:53 |
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meshuggah | oh | Feb 12 14:53 |
meshuggah | difficult to remember...sorry | Feb 12 14:53 |
meshuggah | i use windows 7, what about you | Feb 12 14:53 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard because all the machines 10.04 were destined for have no net connection and a need of GIMP. | Feb 12 14:53 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard Im now trying to push 9.10 at work for our standalones. | Feb 12 14:53 | |
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meshuggah | hello rubenv | Feb 12 14:53 |
rubenv | awesome guys | Feb 12 14:54 |
meshuggah | how are you, rubenv? | Feb 12 14:54 |
rubenv | thanks for linking to my blog about FOSDEM 2010 | Feb 12 14:54 |
schestowitz | no problem | Feb 12 14:54 |
schestowitz | We're concerned about mono | Feb 12 14:54 |
meshuggah | mono? | Feb 12 14:54 |
schestowitz | yes | Feb 12 14:54 |
schestowitz | Mono !! :-) | Feb 12 14:54 |
meshuggah | ah shit | Feb 12 14:54 |
schestowitz | Bridge from Linux to Windows | Feb 12 14:55 |
schestowitz | For developers mostly | Feb 12 14:55 |
rubenv | in all fairness, it's pretty normal for people from inside a community to host their community events | Feb 12 14:55 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Wordpress refuses to publish my article. If I click on publish it merely disapears...what rubbish. | Feb 12 14:55 | |
schestowitz | Making an army of young developers to whom programming is Visual Studio and stuff | Feb 12 14:55 |
schestowitz | rubenv: yes, I know | Feb 12 14:55 |
rubenv | anyway, it's a bit of a shame none of you guys showed up (that I know of) | Feb 12 14:56 |
meshuggah | i think the cop knocked on my door | Feb 12 14:56 |
rubenv | one thing I wanted to show is that most of us are just guys that love hacking | Feb 12 14:56 |
schestowitz | rubenv: some were in FOSDEM | Feb 12 14:56 |
meshuggah | ringed in fact | Feb 12 14:56 |
meshuggah | what does he want | Feb 12 14:57 |
schestowitz | rubenv: I know | Feb 12 14:57 |
schestowitz | Same with Apple and Microsoft coders | Feb 12 14:57 |
schestowitz | That's like saying, soldiers who fight in Iraq are trying to help | Feb 12 14:57 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz In respect of Chrome OS, I was at the time (and still am) looking forward to seeing the deployment of that product. | Feb 12 14:57 | |
schestowitz | That's a diversion | Feb 12 14:57 |
meshuggah | dunno, they are going away | Feb 12 14:57 |
rubenv | maybe we should have a panel discussion next year | Feb 12 14:57 |
MinceR | it's worse than a diversion | Feb 12 14:57 |
rubenv | along with someone from codeplex | Feb 12 14:57 |
schestowitz | The question to ask is, who sent them there in the first place and why | Feb 12 14:57 |
MinceR | once those programmers have invested heavily into mono/.net and vs, m$ can start exploiting their patents | Feb 12 14:58 |
MinceR | and cut them off from linux and mono | Feb 12 14:58 |
schestowitz | rubenv: codeplex is about promoting a criminal company | Feb 12 14:58 |
schestowitz | But people feel shy when it's put like this | Feb 12 14:58 |
schestowitz | It's abut killing IT some more | Feb 12 14:58 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] As people can gather, Im not having a good day, three days off have not started well.I think im outa here for a bit.. | Feb 12 14:58 | |
MinceR | or scare their customers into moving to winblows | Feb 12 14:58 |
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MinceR | with FUD | Feb 12 14:58 |
schestowitz | Monoculture that enriches unimprisoned criminals | Feb 12 14:58 |
MinceR | then again, probably being obsessed with a single language/runtime is bad regardless of which it is | Feb 12 15:00 |
schestowitz | Oracle Java...... | Feb 12 15:00 |
schestowitz | Well, at least it's platform agnostic.. | Feb 12 15:00 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin 2010 for Chrome OS... out for a smoke? | Feb 12 15:00 | |
schestowitz | Oracle doesn't play penis envy with OSes | Feb 12 15:00 |
MinceR | it is, but it's no silver bullet :> | Feb 12 15:00 |
schestowitz | They have Solaris and a Linux now.. and they build their s/w for Win32 too | Feb 12 15:01 |
schestowitz | MinceR: Silver Lie? | Feb 12 15:01 |
MinceR | :> | Feb 12 15:01 |
schestowitz | Waste of silver anyway | Feb 12 15:01 |
oiaohm | Oracle will face a major assult if it tried doing something bad to java. | Feb 12 15:01 |
MinceR | what sort of assault? | Feb 12 15:01 |
schestowitz | From SAP too | Feb 12 15:01 |
oiaohm | Legal MinceR | Feb 12 15:02 |
schestowitz | MinceR: sending int he marines | Feb 12 15:02 |
MinceR | :D | Feb 12 15:02 |
schestowitz | Going rambo on Java's behind | Feb 12 15:02 |
oiaohm | Lot of patent agreements Sun had depend on Java not being used as harm to other companies. | Feb 12 15:02 |
schestowitz | Oracle doesn't sue with patents | Feb 12 15:02 |
schestowitz | It hardly gets sued, either | Feb 12 15:02 |
oiaohm | Oracle very rarely does anything nasty to other companies. | Feb 12 15:03 |
oiaohm | Oracle basically just out competes. | Feb 12 15:03 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz nah...not smoking......daddy duties involving listening to "Rory the racing car" a few hundred times. | Feb 12 15:03 | |
schestowitz | Google Butt: http://millionchimpanzees.blogspot.com/2010/02/google-buzz-first-impressions.html | Feb 12 15:03 |
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MinceR | and acquires | Feb 12 15:04 |
schestowitz | I hear it's bad | Feb 12 15:04 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin sounds like fun | Feb 12 15:04 | |
schestowitz | Nice new stylesheets for Linux Journal.. http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/determine-if-shell-input-coming-terminal-or-pipe | Feb 12 15:05 |
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MinceR | buzz is strange | Feb 12 15:05 |
oiaohm | MinceR: Most of Oracle aquires end up better off after the process. Compared to most MS aquires that fade out of existance. | Feb 12 15:05 |
MinceR | the first mentions gave me the impression that it won't do anything to me until i create a profile | Feb 12 15:05 |
rubenv | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/11/shuttleworth-quote-on-api/ <-- is there a source for this quote? | Feb 12 15:05 |
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MinceR | but then gfail had "Turn off Buzz" or something at the bottom of the screen, so i clicked that | Feb 12 15:06 |
MinceR | so maybe it's opt-out after all | Feb 12 15:06 |
schestowitz | Google can show the NSA one among 10k videos you once watched somewhere | Feb 12 15:06 |
schestowitz | It's potential smear on a platter | Feb 12 15:06 |
schestowitz | More data, for options for selection | Feb 12 15:06 |
schestowitz | Schmidt says if you worry, then you do something you're not supposed to do | Feb 12 15:07 |
schestowitz | Google even knows which gross sites people visits (Analytics, PR toolbar, etc.) | Feb 12 15:07 |
schestowitz | Google would make decent NSA companion | Feb 12 15:07 |
schestowitz | They collaborate now | Feb 12 15:07 |
schestowitz | Matt CUtts came to Google from the secret agencies | Feb 12 15:08 |
rubenv | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/11/shuttleworth-quote-on-api/ <-- is there a source for this quote? *bump* | Feb 12 15:08 |
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trmanco | Buzz is spammy | Feb 12 15:08 |
trmanco | I don't like thing inside my email box | Feb 12 15:08 |
trmanco | social networking does not fit in to daily email | Feb 12 15:08 |
trmanco | that* | Feb 12 15:09 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz listen to this 100 times then come back and say the same thing....talk to you later! http://bit.ly/1bl70A | Feb 12 15:09 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin good effects | Feb 12 15:10 | |
schestowitz | rubenv: google it | Feb 12 15:10 |
schestowitz | I did | Feb 12 15:11 |
schestowitz | I could recall it too | Feb 12 15:11 |
schestowitz | It goes back to wine debate | Feb 12 15:11 |
schestowitz | Around 06-07 | Feb 12 15:11 |
schestowitz | IIRC | Feb 12 15:11 |
schestowitz | He opposed putting in wine be default | Feb 12 15:11 |
schestowitz | http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/780-upgrade-your-kernel-the-safe-way-in-ubuntu-linuxmint | Feb 12 15:12 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #24camp hackathon started @ freenode . join us http://webchat.freenode.net , channel #24camp | Feb 12 15:12 | |
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rubenv | the only results I get are from yours site and related | Feb 12 15:12 |
schestowitz | http://www.daniweb.com/news/story259696.html | Feb 12 15:12 |
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rubenv | schestowitz: source it or pull it, stuff like that hurts your credibility (which you should know as an academic) | Feb 12 15:14 |
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schestowitz | I see that GreyGeek captured that one a while ago too | Feb 12 15:14 |
schestowitz | http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3109892.0 | Feb 12 15:17 |
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schestowitz | rubenv: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/05/1546230 | Feb 12 15:18 |
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schestowitz | There was one 3 years ago too | Feb 12 15:19 |
rubenv | still no sources there | Feb 12 15:19 |
schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/OpenOffice-3-2-more-stability-more-speed-927551.html | Feb 12 15:19 |
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MinceR | it will be different. it will be brown! ;) | Feb 12 15:19 |
rubenv | unless that post on ostatic.com is meant to be the source, in which case it's highly twisting his words | Feb 12 15:20 |
schestowitz | MinceR: any flavour you want, as long as it's chocolate | Feb 12 15:20 |
MinceR | i don't mind chocolate | Feb 12 15:20 |
MinceR | but chocolate isn't the only brown thing :> | Feb 12 15:20 |
schestowitz | True | Feb 12 15:20 |
schestowitz | Soil is | Feb 12 15:20 |
schestowitz | It's a nice area of the spectrum | Feb 12 15:20 |
MinceR | that's a matter of taste | Feb 12 15:21 |
schestowitz | Some people prefer biology (green) and atmosphere (blue) | Feb 12 15:21 |
schestowitz | MinceR: ewwwwwww | Feb 12 15:21 |
MinceR | ? | Feb 12 15:22 |
MinceR | should i have said 'personal preferences' instead? :> | Feb 12 15:22 |
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schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/02/car-key_copier.html | Feb 12 15:23 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: choose something that reflects light differently | Feb 12 15:24 |
schestowitz | It might taste better | Feb 12 15:24 |
schestowitz | It's interesting as a subject axtually | Feb 12 15:24 |
schestowitz | Our food could be many colours | Feb 12 15:24 |
schestowitz | Like cucumber vs tomato | Feb 12 15:24 |
schestowitz | But in food engineering there;s proference | Feb 12 15:24 |
schestowitz | They could make blue ketchup | Feb 12 15:24 |
schestowitz | But they won't | Feb 12 15:24 |
schestowitz | Because blue does not look "right" for food | Feb 12 15:24 |
schestowitz | It works for candy | Feb 12 15:24 |
schestowitz | So people associate colour with what's edible and what groups of biology it belongs to | Feb 12 15:25 |
schestowitz | Blue in water is just the atmosphere reflected | Feb 12 15:25 |
schestowitz | Brown water is tepid | Feb 12 15:25 |
schestowitz | So people steer away from brown "foods" | Feb 12 15:25 |
schestowitz | Unless it's seeds maybe | Feb 12 15:25 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Mum wants to take local courses in computer stuff which rules out Ubuntu on this machine frustratingly | Feb 12 15:26 | |
schestowitz | We don't have ultra-violet fruits, not that we can interpret them by this criteria anyway. But we have machines that do that and transform it to something we can analyse | Feb 12 15:26 |
schestowitz | same with the constellations. What animal has the widest range of sounds/visuals reception? | Feb 12 15:27 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] gwibber test | Feb 12 15:27 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Ubuntu Lucid alpha 2, 1st time I have 1920x1200 out of box and without proprietary drivers, new gwibber looks nice but twitter not working | Feb 12 15:27 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hah! This machine was 'cleaned' by a local IT company. I just found 3 trojans. Wipe it is. | Feb 12 15:27 | |
MinceR | actually people don't steer away from brown food | Feb 12 15:27 |
MinceR | there's chocolate, some foods made of meat, some sauces, etc. | Feb 12 15:28 |
schestowitz | True, but meat is red usually | Feb 12 15:28 |
schestowitz | Or light brows/white | Feb 12 15:28 |
MinceR | before cooking :> | Feb 12 15:28 |
schestowitz | We then cook the bugger | Feb 12 15:28 |
schestowitz | Then it's just burnt tissue | Feb 12 15:29 |
MinceR | burnt tissue that tastes great :> | Feb 12 15:29 |
schestowitz | WIthout the micro-organisms | Feb 12 15:29 |
schestowitz | MinceR: cause you're used to it | Feb 12 15:29 |
schestowitz | Raw meat can be good too | Feb 12 15:29 |
schestowitz | We're not good at eating it anymore | Feb 12 15:29 |
schestowitz | But then again, we never were | Feb 12 15:30 |
schestowitz | Not many monkeys eat meat at all | Feb 12 15:30 |
schestowitz | Cats and dogs/wolves do | Feb 12 15:30 |
schestowitz | They also have better teeth and can handle the bacteria in the mear more effectively | Feb 12 15:30 |
schestowitz | They evolved better than us in some ways... same with whales/dolphins | Feb 12 15:30 |
schestowitz | They don't have fingers and a good set of vocal chords though | Feb 12 15:31 |
schestowitz | Parrots have them | Feb 12 15:31 |
schestowitz | So they can't manipulate and communicate well | Feb 12 15:31 |
schestowitz | Monkeys can manipulate as well as us | Feb 12 15:31 |
schestowitz | Sometimes better | Feb 12 15:31 |
schestowitz | They can climb trees very well | Feb 12 15:32 |
schestowitz | And their toes are better than ours | Feb 12 15:32 |
schestowitz | Ours just become f* useless | Feb 12 15:32 |
schestowitz | They do nothing but be used to walk on | Feb 12 15:32 |
schestowitz | But monkeys can shriek (like Microsoft's CEO), they can't speak language and teach it | Feb 12 15:32 |
schestowitz | ANd they are too stupid to be literate... small brain | Feb 12 15:33 |
schestowitz | Like a 4 year old for chimps, I reckon.. | Feb 12 15:33 |
schestowitz | http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2010/02/11/chip-and-pin-is-broken/ | Feb 12 15:33 |
schestowitz | Heh. | Feb 12 15:33 |
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schestowitz | We need to conceptualise a better-evolevd human... :-) | Feb 12 15:34 |
schestowitz | Monkey feet... night sight of a cat, teeth of a wolf, brain of a man, and extremities like those of monkeys/humans and their extinct common predecessor (can't recall its name) | Feb 12 15:35 |
schestowitz | MISSING LINK FOUND - New Fossil Links Humans, Lemurs < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLilqm6GxrA > | Feb 12 15:35 |
schestowitz | It's in Norway now | Feb 12 15:35 |
schestowitz | http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/comprehensive-study-using-bioinformatics-predicts-molecular-causes-many-genetic-diseases.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogrssfeed+%28Science+Blog%29 | Feb 12 15:38 |
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schestowitz | http://www.linux.com/news/hardware/servers/285372:amd-talks-up-power-innovations-in-llano-puts-gpu-in-the-cpunsocket | Feb 12 15:40 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @Polljack: 61% of Daily Mail/Richard Littlejohn readers think it's okay to torture. http://bit.ly/cwounR Vote no, and spread the word. | Feb 12 15:41 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin looks like 9.10 will be ubuntu's high water mark | Feb 12 15:44 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz it's still a heavy-duty image editor for people who know what they want to do. but there isn't really a simpler one for unix. | Feb 12 15:44 | |
schestowitz | "@satipera sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop? Plasma has a nice microblogging app" | Feb 12 15:45 |
MinceR | schestowitz: iirc there was some simian species that preferred cooked meat even though they couldn't cook it themselves | Feb 12 15:46 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard there are many, including some for KDE | Feb 12 15:46 | |
schestowitz | fire likes cooked meat | Feb 12 15:46 |
schestowitz | Yum! | Feb 12 15:47 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] It is not the new Gwibber client in Lucid, twitter has stopped working on my netbook under Gwibber in Karmic. | Feb 12 15:47 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Time for #gop to bring Kim Kardashian on board to direct Energy, Economic and Foreign policy. Strong contender to embarrass #Obama in 2012! | Feb 12 15:47 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz with utter n00b friendliness and no Mono? you and i are geeks, remember. | Feb 12 15:48 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Ha ha I have just had my wrists slapped by Twitter for logging on too many times, I am a suspicious character it seems. | Feb 12 15:52 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @libelreform Signed this petition supporting Libel Reform in the #UK http://tinyurl.com/yhkmj9y | Feb 12 15:54 | |
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schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10451566-83.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 | Feb 12 16:04 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard "n00b friendliness and Mono" don't necessarily go together | Feb 12 16:04 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Drowning into the depths of #DanBrown's #TheLostSymbol. Chapter 46 now. | Feb 12 16:05 | |
schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/02/11/dell_acquires_kace_networks/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10452254-94.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 | Feb 12 16:06 |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] The last lot of Lucid updates broke the display altogether, had to go back to the 10 kernel. All is well again. | Feb 12 16:07 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell Admits Deliberately Violating Software Licences http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/12/fosdem-2009-fluke/ | Feb 12 16:19 | |
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schestowitz | "@schestowitz if the bbc's doing it, maybe it's time to move on..." | Feb 12 16:20 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | Feb 12 16:20 |
schestowitz | BBC says Iran spies on citizens | Feb 12 16:20 |
schestowitz | Like the UK doesn't...... | Feb 12 16:20 |
schestowitz | > http://slashdot.org/submission/1171678/Bill-Gates-gets-iPhone-envy?art_pos=1 | Feb 12 16:21 |
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schestowitz | That theif deserves no attention really. It's not as though his opinion is more qualified. | Feb 12 16:21 |
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schestowitz | this is so bad that Microsoft hits the "panic" button and halts the updates http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5250 | Feb 12 16:35 |
schestowitz | Ha! | Feb 12 16:36 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz sorry, i didn't mean they do :-) mind you, any mono app that *is* n00b-friendly can be translated a la gnote ... | Feb 12 16:46 | |
schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/features/KDE-SC-4-4-Fresh-breeze-for-KDE-926340.html | Feb 12 16:47 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard #Novell offers #Mono projects PR and marketing that 'non-Microsoft' projects cannot get | Feb 12 16:48 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard Microsoft blogs/staff too. They promote #mono and #moonlight | Feb 12 16:50 | |
schestowitz | http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2010/02/helios-project-organization-day.html | Feb 12 16:51 |
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schestowitz | http://stgraber.org/2010/01/28/new-ltsp-cluster-websites-officially-out | Feb 12 16:51 |
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schestowitz | Some people think that I have a problem with Mono developers | Feb 12 16:53 |
schestowitz | That's nonsense | Feb 12 16:53 |
schestowitz | They are just a "pawn in the battle" to Microsoft (Microsoft's words) | Feb 12 16:53 |
schestowitz | It's like blaming some poor minority going to serve in Iraq for the /policy/ on Iraq (WoMD lies) | Feb 12 16:54 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz I'm not talking about mono at all. I'm talking about gimp having a huge learning curve and the lack of something that doesn't. | Feb 12 16:54 | |
schestowitz | A lot of nasty people are pivotal in steering devs in the wrong direction | Feb 12 16:54 |
schestowitz | It's like Pat Robertson and Falwel... using stupid masses to fight their battles | Feb 12 16:55 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I am fucking appalled at the victim-blaming from arrogant geeks concerning Google Buzz's dangerous privacy violations. Look at yourselves. | Feb 12 16:55 | |
schestowitz | Microsoft uses Novell and Mono fans (like Miguel) to move FOSS developers into Microsoft's side | Feb 12 16:55 |
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schestowitz | http://techdrivein.blogspot.com/2010/02/stunning-wallpaper-clocks-for-ubuntu.html | Feb 12 17:00 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard] I am * appalled at the victim-blaming from arrogant geeks concerning Google Buzz's dangerous privacy violations. | Feb 12 17:01 | |
schestowitz | This dude looks smarter than RMS: http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/36761-dealing-with-gifted-kids-a-geeks-tale | Feb 12 17:10 |
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schestowitz | http://stealmycode.com/bolix/ | Feb 12 17:14 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin ever tried http://stealmycode.com/bolix/ ? | Feb 12 17:15 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @theisb: This is literally the best article in @ComicsAlliance history: Cerebus Valentines by @Laura_Hudson: http://is.gd/8f7JO | Feb 12 17:18 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I give up with Wordpress. Go to publish a post, it disappears....time to move.... | Feb 12 17:39 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin 2.9.1 or earlier? Or wordpress.com? | Feb 12 17:40 | |
schestowitz | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/firefogg_transcoding_videos_open_web_standards_mozilla_firefox | Feb 12 17:46 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin sounds like installation/hosting issue | Feb 12 17:47 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin it's not as though you'll find something better. I've run WordPress on about 5 sites for 6 years; no issues | Feb 12 17:49 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I'll go with blogger.com. It can't be any worse. Ive found out the issue, Wordpress has decided to start posting my work, on | Feb 12 17:52 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz the date it was created not the date I want to publish it. Great new feature that I don't want. | Feb 12 17:53 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Sorry folks, latest post is a mess. WYSIWYG does not apply to Wordpress....Im looking elsewhere. | Feb 12 17:56 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Linux Gaming – The RPG question. http://tinyurl.com/yegbe2v #linux #foss #gnu #rpg #gaming #pc | Feb 12 17:56 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard Wordpress.com....I thought it may be a Chromium issue...its not. | Feb 12 17:57 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] openbytes is up and running again ;-) http://openbytes.wordpress.com/ | Feb 12 18:00 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin i run my own wp installation on 2.9.1 and it's pretty good. | Feb 12 18:02 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin which is to say, just about tolerable if i'm prepared to abuse php horribly from time to time. Your mileage may vary. | Feb 12 18:04 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin that's what I suspected caused it (really!); it's a good feature. Google Blogger is being dumped; DON'T do there | Feb 12 18:15 | |
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schestowitz | "@schestowitz Western media are beginning to look very foolish over this..." | Feb 12 18:22 |
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schestowitz | Hey | Feb 12 18:32 |
sebsebseb | Hi | Feb 12 18:33 |
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sebsebseb | thought I had already done something like that here, but nope | Feb 12 18:33 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Its never done it before....I often write posts that don't get published for days...that latest article is a complete mess. | Feb 12 18:36 | |
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_goblin | right, I wonder how long I can remain connected. | Feb 12 18:39 |
_goblin | oh....hello everyone. | Feb 12 18:39 |
_goblin | .. | Feb 12 18:42 |
Aondo | hello you are still connected :P | Feb 12 18:42 |
_goblin | I think so | Feb 12 18:42 |
_goblin | O2 makes AOL look like a gold service. | Feb 12 18:43 |
_goblin | infact I am thinking of sending data packets by snail mail, it may be quicker. | Feb 12 18:43 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking forward to #tna Against all odds....should be great. | Feb 12 18:53 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] @_Goblin Are you sure that Word Press is the problem? It could be your MySQL database. | Feb 12 18:54 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @_the_mad_hatter I checked all possibilities including my browser of choice. Ive concluded (quite ignorantly) that Wordpress is hosed. | Feb 12 18:56 | |
_goblin | Aondo: just seen you on Twitter...following you. | Feb 12 18:57 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @_the_mad_hatter and this is what is referred to as "throwing my teddy in the corner"......... | Feb 12 18:57 | |
Aondo | :) | Feb 12 18:58 |
Aondo | i'm on my way to get a site up and running too, but not quite ready | Feb 12 19:01 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] US Judge supports software terrorism http://ur1.ca/m6w9 | Feb 12 19:12 | |
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_goblin | Aondo: Please let me know when its ready....Im currently doing my new links. | Feb 12 19:20 |
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Aondo | yea i will. i'm slow tho :P | Feb 12 19:27 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Tymlee Oppose Murkowski Attack on Clean Air Act http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/108252854 // Even we Canadians need to breathe | Feb 12 19:36 | |
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schestowitz | NAACP President: Glenn Beck Owes Obama An Apology http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMgsWz3XQkw&feature=related | Feb 12 20:02 |
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dyfet | schestowitz: naturally I would be the one to raise a complex new question to consider :) | Feb 12 20:10 |
schestowitz | hey | Feb 12 20:11 |
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schestowitz | World's tallest man has become a father http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_fjrtxih2o&feature=related | Feb 12 20:22 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] All hail @arkadyrose's superior hardware l33tn3ss, having just turned 2 dead Dell C610 into a live one. With LCD transplant. :-O | Feb 12 20:45 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] G20 protester sentenced to 2.5 years for "violent assault" against RBS building http://tr.im/NX4M No prosecution of the police who killed. | Feb 12 20:46 | |
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_goblin | New wordpress theme - Motion......looks awful for openbytes. | Feb 12 20:51 |
sebsebseb | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/openoffice-back-in-ubuntu-netbook.html | Feb 12 20:52 |
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_goblin | Yeah, I saw that yesterday..... | Feb 12 20:53 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking for a new theme for Openbytes....Motion has just been released....nope that ain't it..... | Feb 12 20:53 | |
_goblin | The thing is, I think Abiword is better (Ive said so enough on my blog)...i've no use of the other OO tools other than WP...my needs are quite simple. | Feb 12 20:54 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: I like Abiword a lot | Feb 12 20:55 |
sebsebseb | Gnumeric I haven't used properly, but I guess that's pretty good as well | Feb 12 20:55 |
_goblin | same here..... | Feb 12 20:55 |
_goblin | never really used Gnumeric | Feb 12 20:55 |
_goblin | as long as I have bold underline and italics (and a spell checker) thats all I need. | Feb 12 20:56 |
sebsebseb | well right now, I hardly ever do stuff like that, so a text editor would even do the trick | Feb 12 20:57 |
sebsebseb | however I did type up soon notes in Open Office earlier, whilst on the phone | Feb 12 20:57 |
sebsebseb | then spell checked a little bit and corrected some stuff, and printed | Feb 12 20:58 |
sebsebseb | _goblin: KISS Keep It Simple Stupid | Feb 12 21:00 |
sebsebseb | Abiword is very much like that, and yes it's like Microsoft Word, but with features that most users woudn't use, not as part of it | Feb 12 21:01 |
_goblin | true... | Feb 12 21:01 |
sebsebseb | its like Microsoft Word, but without the junk features | Feb 12 21:01 |
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shreddar | Hey guy's I just read article on QuestionCopyright.org called "What We Lose When We Embrace Copyright". | Feb 12 21:10 |
shreddar | It's probably the most clear and thorough one I've read on the subject. | Feb 12 21:11 |
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shreddar | It's hard for me to imagine anyone to actually read it and still keep the common characterisations spread by big media organisations. | Feb 12 21:15 |
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shreddar | It adresses the very popular "But how will X make money" argument. Which is the heart the issue for artist I've talked too. | Feb 12 21:17 |
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shreddar | I'll try to show them this when I get the oportunity. I think I can atleast help see the issues better. | Feb 12 21:21 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RMS #GNU #Linux -Libre is Announced http://ur1.ca/m79t EN: http://ur1.ca/m79u | Feb 12 21:22 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ministry Migrated to GNU/Linux http://gabrielforster.com/2010/02/how-we-implemented-linux-in-our-ministry/ | Feb 12 21:23 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Working on Mumbuntu for my mum. | Feb 12 21:23 | |
shreddar | Here's the link for anyone interested; http://questioncopyright.org/what_we_lose_when_we_embrace_copyright | Feb 12 21:23 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SGI Sells Server with #GNU #Linux http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/02/11/sgi_cyclone_hpc_cloud/ | Feb 12 21:26 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Free #ATI Drivers in #Linux #Graphics Stack http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ati_r600_mesa_3d&num=1 | Feb 12 21:27 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Games for #GNU #Linux : Much Better Than Imagined http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/linux-gaming-the-rpg-question/ | Feb 12 21:29 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Buzz uploading photos from your Android phone that you never downloaded?! http://is.gd/8g6CI #buzzoff | Feb 12 21:30 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC 4.4 in Pictures, Many Exciting New Additions http://ur1.ca/m7ad http://ur1.ca/m7ae http://ur1.ca/m7af http://ur1.ca/m7ag | Feb 12 21:32 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Desktop Gets New Beta Out, #Usability Tested http://ur1.ca/m7an http://ur1.ca/m7ao | Feb 12 21:34 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I know why ./configure is slow in Cygwin. In a VM. But good Lord. | Feb 12 21:40 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Computer Barbie http://tr.im/NXzi Her pink netbook appeals to her primary market: gay men. | Feb 12 21:41 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Salix ( #GNU #Linux ) OS Works Really Well http://www.techiemoe.com/tech/salix13.htm #zenwalk | Feb 12 21:41 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Releases: Bauer-Puntu #Linux 9.10R2, #Yoper Linux 2010 RC1 http://ur1.ca/m7be http://ur1.ca/m7bf | Feb 12 21:42 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Family Adopts the #FogComputing Hype http://ur1.ca/m7bh http://ur1.ca/m7bi | Feb 12 21:44 | |
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phIRCe-BNc | Title: Red Hat Ramps Up Open Source Cloud Projects — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 70.25 KB | Feb 12 21:44 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Attention Turned to #Fedora #GNU #Linux 14 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk3NQ | Feb 12 21:45 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: [Phoronix] Fedora Rawhide Quickly Switching To Fedora 14 .::. Size~: 15.34 KB | Feb 12 21:45 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian 's Andrew McMillan Interviewed, #OpenECP Targets Debian #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/m7br http://ur1.ca/m7bs | Feb 12 21:47 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz i do like the ubuntu cloud. you can set up yr own internal cloud of kvm instances, and rent EC2 as needed with no vm changes! | Feb 12 21:47 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz speaking as a sysadmin who's gone "OUCH" at the prices VMware charge, getting out from under them is goal #1 ... | Feb 12 21:48 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Has GNU/Linux Light Version, #Facebook Link http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/02/u-lite-linux-ubuntu-made-light.html | Feb 12 21:48 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz though I work with Solaris now, and zones are all that and more. WAY cool. and free. (beer in 10, freedom in OpenSolaris.) | Feb 12 21:49 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxMint Beats Parent, #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/m7c0 http://ur1.ca/m7c1 | Feb 12 21:50 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many Small #Linux Computers Come to Book Stores http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100208/tc_nm/us_barnesnoble | Feb 12 21:51 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Barnes & Noble's Nook e-reader to hit stores - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 94.42 KB | Feb 12 21:51 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Computer Barbie http://tr.im/NXzi @arkadyrose says the dollie nuts are gonna buy these for the pink netbook and the clothes and glasses! | Feb 12 21:52 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Computer Engineer Barbie Has a PhD In FUN (And Breaking Down Stereotypes) - Computer engineer barbie - Gizmodo .::. Size~: 69.68 KB | Feb 12 21:52 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google and #Motorola Strategise Better for #Linux #Phones Business http://ur1.ca/m7ca http://ur1.ca/m7cb | Feb 12 21:53 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Motorola sets breakup for 2011 | Wireless - CNET News .::. Size~: 72.26 KB | Feb 12 21:53 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz mjg59 says the Nook is an utter lemon, and GPL compliance is like pulling teeth: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/119977.html | Feb 12 22:00 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ASUS Chooses #GNU #Linux for Sub-notebooks Again (with #ARM ) http://ur1.ca/m7cp | Feb 12 22:00 | |
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phIRCe-BNc | Title: Asustek Wants to Become Another Apple with Open-Source Platforms - X-bit labs .::. Size~: 28.82 KB | Feb 12 22:00 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF 's LibrePlanet #FreeSoftware Conference is Coming Next Month http://www.fsf.org/news/libreplanet-2010 | Feb 12 22:01 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware and Farming Developments Meet http://www.refarmthecity.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page | Feb 12 22:02 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Copenhagen to Host #FOSS Event http://www.opensourcedays.org/2010/ | Feb 12 22:03 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Routers Based on #FreeSoftware Are Better Value Than Proprietary http://ur1.ca/m7cx | Feb 12 22:04 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Open Source Routers Are Worth Considering .::. Size~: 32.27 KB | Feb 12 22:04 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free #CMS Software Among the Top CMS Options http://designreviver.com/tips/choosing-the-right-content-management-system-for-your-project/ | Feb 12 22:05 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Choosing the Right Content Management System for Your Project | Design Reviver .::. Size~: 37 KB | Feb 12 22:05 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #FreeSoftware Audiocasts: #FLOSS Weekly, TLLTS; FSM Cartoon http://twit.tv/floss108 http://ur1.ca/m7d8 http://ur1.ca/m7d9 | Feb 12 22:06 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Government of #Spain Shows Signs of Moves Towards Open #Standards http://ur1.ca/m7dl | Feb 12 22:10 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Dear @FromPaperchase http://bit.ly/b51d5B So when are you giving @HiddenEloise a fair share of the MONEY you've made from the STOLEN DESIGN? | Feb 12 22:10 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Liking the new "Disk check" screen when Ubuntu Lucid boots up. Very nice looking. Not sure about the wording though. "Drive"? | Feb 12 22:11 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IEEE Pressured to Join the New Reality of #OpenAccess http://ur1.ca/m7do | Feb 12 22:12 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Openmoko Spreads #Wikipedia http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Openmoko-updates-WikiReader-the-pocket-Wikipedia-926803.html | Feb 12 22:12 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I'm srating to wonder if Arch was named for the torture rack, BDSM arched back position, if there's a hard way, we'll do it | Feb 12 22:22 | |
MinceR | http://www.fiction.net/tidbits/computer/pc-unix.html | Feb 12 22:27 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This is fantastic geek nostalgia. All 22 pages. http://technologizer.com/2010/02/10/silicon-valleys-island-of-misfit-tech/ | Feb 12 22:28 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Facebook Adopts Standards and Makes #GNU #Linux Integration Simpler http://ur1.ca/m0td http://ur1.ca/m7en | Feb 12 22:30 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #France is Adding #Censorship to Its Internet, Just Like in #China and #Iran http://ur1.ca/m7eo http://ur1.ca/m2ve | Feb 12 22:31 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Australia and the United States Embrace More Web #Censorship (the #China Model) http://ur1.ca/m7er http://ur1.ca/m7es | Feb 12 22:34 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Iceland Offers Haven to Brave, Real Journalists http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8504972.stm | Feb 12 22:34 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Privacy Debate Heats up: Phones as Tracking Devices http://ur1.ca/m3ty http://ur1.ca/m7ey http://ur1.ca/lysr | Feb 12 22:36 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Recording Industry (MAFIAA) Loses to Music Industry (Actual Artists) http://techdirt.com/articles/20100208/0300578077.shtml | Feb 12 22:37 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA 's #Racketeering Facilitates #Bribes , Arrest Follows http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/10/u-georgia-official-a.html #crime | Feb 12 22:39 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Importance of Net Neutrality and the Madness of #DRM Exemplified http://ur1.ca/m7ff http://ur1.ca/m7fg | Feb 12 22:42 | |
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_Goblin | Think I may have an early night tonight | Feb 12 22:50 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #ODF Alliance Responds to Wins in Denmark, ODF a Matter of Equal Opportunities http://ur1.ca/m7gq http://ur1.ca/m7gr | Feb 12 23:03 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard yes, but then it's just private server, no "cloud" | Feb 12 23:06 | |
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phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Feb 12 23:06 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: you have a typo in links http://boycottnovell.com/?stories in games sections you have a ttp: protocol on link instead of http | Feb 12 23:07 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Boycottnovell.com | Truth about Novell, Mono, Moonlight, Silverlight and secret Novell pact with Microsoft. .::. Size~: 201.26 KB | Feb 12 23:07 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: thanks! | Feb 12 23:08 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Do you trust Bill Gates? Really - be honest now. | Feb 12 23:08 | |
schestowitz | I'll fix another error while I'm at it | Feb 12 23:08 |
oiaohm | Would not be the desktop envorments link? schestowitz | Feb 12 23:09 |
schestowitz | it is | Feb 12 23:16 |
schestowitz | I fixed it | Feb 12 23:16 |
schestowitz | I noticed that later | Feb 12 23:16 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz the EC2 compatibility where you can move your instances to their servers as needed is *top stuff* | Feb 12 23:17 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] My plan for Mumbuntu! http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/6Yt1CdeRXv | Feb 12 23:20 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] How to make organisations accept open formats: it's all in the key words http://www.advogato.org/article/1032.html | Feb 12 23:20 | |
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oiaohm | http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/openofficeorg-vs-microsoft-office Well done compare. | Feb 12 23:21 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Intellectual Ventures looking for a patent attorney in Bellevue (Washington) next to Redmond: http://i5.be/att | Feb 12 23:43 | |
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oiaohm | http://www.ns.umich.edu/htdocs/releases/story.php?id=7520 << This could making finding a running computer run. | Feb 12 23:55 |
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