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gnufsschestowitz: about the presentation link i mentioned yesterday.Feb 15 00:04
gnufsyou seem to hae got the link to my announcement that i'm going to do the presentation which is at http://aligunduz.org/blog/2010/02/free-gnulinux-presentation-next-week/Feb 15 00:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: GLOG / Fully Free GNU/Linux Presentation Next Week .::. Size~: 27.82 KBFeb 15 00:05
gnufsbut not the post of where i uploaded the talk video: http://aligunduz.org/blog/2010/02/fully-free-gnulinux-presentation/Feb 15 00:05
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gnufsi guess the links and titles are a little too similar :DFeb 15 00:06
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: check out http://australiansforpalestine.com/breaking-news-sacked-tonge-slams-israels-attitude-in-palestineFeb 15 00:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BREAKING NEWS: Sacked Tonge slams Israels attitude in Palestine  .::. Size~: 95.62 KBFeb 15 00:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Baroness Tonge sacked for describing reality of #Palestine & #Israel's strangehold on global foreign policy http://bit.ly/a04axG #gaza #warFeb 15 00:21
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BREAKING NEWS: Sacked Tonge slams Israels attitude in Palestine  .::. Size~: 95.62 KBFeb 15 00:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Most debates with internet strangers lately have revolved around their creative attempts to disqualify my right to speak, not my arguments.Feb 15 00:33
schestowitzgnufs: heyFeb 15 00:36
schestowitzI beat you to it, sort of  :-)Feb 15 00:37
schestowitzI'km working on today's links which include this presentationFeb 15 00:37
schestowitzI think I found it in TuxMachinesFeb 15 00:37
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I listen to  http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/58530Feb 15 00:37
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schestowitzYou really want to, as well !!!Feb 15 00:37
FurnaceBoyif I had time :|Feb 15 00:38
schestowitzIt's audioFeb 15 00:38
FurnaceBoyyeah but i still need to concentrate on it.Feb 15 00:38
schestowitzMix with another ectivity (that's what I do)Feb 15 00:38
FurnaceBoythe way my mind works, i completely block out audio if something else grabs my attention, like irc ;-)Feb 15 00:38
FurnaceBoyi have a high-focusFeb 15 00:38
FurnaceBoyand rapid timeslicingFeb 15 00:39
FurnaceBoyi can't take in multiple streams easily, i'm a single core processor maybeFeb 15 00:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@kevinmarks gah. #Panasonic network camera that says 'No PC required' needs a #Windows box to config. // Wow, that's so stupid in 2010Feb 15 00:40
gnufsschestowitz: cool, thanks.Feb 15 00:42
schestowitzgnufs: np ;-)Feb 15 00:51
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: listen to itFeb 15 00:51
schestowitzIt's scaryFeb 15 00:51
schestowitzDepends what you do, FurnaceBoyFeb 15 00:51
schestowitzIf you can mentally automate something and have the mechanical mode kick in, then you can multitaskFeb 15 00:52
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i find that my brain completely tunes out audio, even conversations, if i direct attentionFeb 15 00:52
schestowitzI watch videos while editing BNFeb 15 00:52
FurnaceBoyi guess i rarely do mechanical stuff, then; i'm privilegedFeb 15 00:52
FurnaceBoy:/Feb 15 00:52
FurnaceBoyangry and privileged hahaFeb 15 00:52
schestowitzDaily linksFeb 15 00:52
schestowitzPrivileged makes one awareFeb 15 00:52
schestowitzThus angryFeb 15 00:52
schestowitzA lot of sheeple are happier than those who are better offFeb 15 00:52
schestowitzIgnorance is bliss as the wise sayin' goesFeb 15 00:53
schestowitzUntil s* hits the fanFeb 15 00:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] truth in labelling: #Windows Ultimate Malware Playground EditionFeb 15 00:56
schestowitzCheck out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-3ZB_-dMaQ&feature=relatedFeb 15 01:04
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schestowitzSecond partFeb 15 01:04
schestowitzAbout Pentagon liesFeb 15 01:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: what's this all about: http://twitter.com/SarahKSilverman/status/9119521060Feb 15 01:12
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rnbhelloFeb 15 01:17
rnbahhh!!! christopher hitchens!!!! Feb 15 01:17
rnbhow is everyone doing this fine evening?Feb 15 01:18
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8JfjQF9q-MFeb 15 01:27
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schestowitzrnb: good, thanksFeb 15 01:27
FurnaceBoyrnb: bem vindoFeb 15 01:37
FurnaceBoyrnb: daqui a pouco saimos para jantarFeb 15 01:38
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gnufsschestowitz: uuummmm, you seem to have linked to the old post again <:DFeb 15 01:54
gnufsthe url of the new post is http://aligunduz.org/blog/2010/02/fully-free-gnulinux-presentation/Feb 15 01:56
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gnufssorry for my obsessive personality :)Feb 15 01:56
Aondoit's a nice presentation tho :)Feb 15 01:58
schestowitzHmmmmmmm....Feb 15 01:58
schestowitzAh crap.....Feb 15 01:59
schestowitzI know why this happenedFeb 15 01:59
schestowitzI paged through to the older oneFeb 15 01:59
schestowitzOK, fixedFeb 15 02:00
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gnufsAondo: thanks Feb 15 02:00
gnufsschestowitz: yeap, it's correct now. thanks again.Feb 15 02:01
yuhongOn Microsoft planting people in other companies, I'd use the principle of "innocent until proven guilty".Feb 15 02:03
MinceRwe'd expect you toFeb 15 02:04
yuhongIn other words, unless there is evidence, assume not.Feb 15 02:05
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MinceRthe m$ apologist always tries to clean m$ slaves of any blameFeb 15 02:07
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schestowitzHehe.Feb 15 02:28
schestowitzIt happend beforeFeb 15 02:28
schestowitzThey were found guiltyFeb 15 02:28
schestowitzBut hey, let's give them yet another chance :-)Feb 15 02:28
schestowitzThe New New Microsoft might actually be genuinely news... let us hopeFeb 15 02:29
DaemonFCschestowitz, It's just not possible to break a cat of anything, is it?Feb 15 02:30
schestowitzThis line is new to meFeb 15 02:31
DaemonFCI need to go buy a dog to patrol under my deskFeb 15 02:31
schestowitzI can only guess the meaningFeb 15 02:31
MinceRit's pretty mean to describe m$ drones in terms of catsFeb 15 02:31
DaemonFCno, Jabba keeps sneaking under my desk and biting my feetFeb 15 02:32
DaemonFCthat's what I meantFeb 15 02:32
schestowitzMinceR: some cats are nastyFeb 15 02:32
DaemonFCno matter how many times I drag him out of there, he goes back inFeb 15 02:32
schestowitzThey prey on anythingFeb 15 02:32
MinceRyou deserve it for naming a cat after a hutt :>Feb 15 02:33
schestowitzApple uses them tooFeb 15 02:33
schestowitzIt preys on ignoranceFeb 15 02:33
MinceRschestowitz: no, crApple is just giving them a bad nameFeb 15 02:33
schestowitzI know proverbs like the shaving of cats and landing on one's feetFeb 15 02:33
schestowitzBut not the abiveFeb 15 02:33
schestowitz*boveFeb 15 02:33
DaemonFCMinceR, What would you name a black and white cat that's 20 pounds and tall?Feb 15 02:33
DaemonFC:PFeb 15 02:33
DaemonFCJabba was the only thing that came to mind when I got himFeb 15 02:33
schestowitzMinceR: they can't do anything about itFeb 15 02:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] I'm using The Twit Cleaner to chase the twits from my twitter! http://is.gd/8oDRLFeb 15 02:33
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MinceRDaemonFC: Five? :>Feb 15 02:34
schestowitzThe cats are going extinct, except the domesticated onesFeb 15 02:34
DaemonFCMinceR, The humane shelter found him out wandering and his name tag said YulFeb 15 02:34
DaemonFCobviously that needed to goFeb 15 02:34
schestowitzGoing exteinct is an understatmentFeb 15 02:34
schestowitzThey are driven to extinction, by usFeb 15 02:34
DaemonFCMinceR, I got him to remind me of what happens everytime I feel sorry for someone/something and bring it/them home with meFeb 15 02:35
DaemonFCgreat successFeb 15 02:35
DaemonFCeats tons of food, takes most of my bed, bites my hand if I piss it off, and assumes that any attention from me is a good thingFeb 15 02:36
DaemonFCI had a bizarre dream earlier that something had me on a leash and was trying to drag me up a flight of stairsFeb 15 02:40
schestowitzWeirdFeb 15 02:40
schestowitzDreams are pointlessFeb 15 02:40
DaemonFCI ended up cutting the leash with my pocket knife and running awayFeb 15 02:41
DaemonFCI never got a look at what was chasing me, it was kind of a blurry thingFeb 15 02:41
schestowitzA friend of mine from the gym dreamt I got shotFeb 15 02:42
DaemonFCand I was shooting at it as I was running through some woodsFeb 15 02:42
schestowitzWhich was funnyFeb 15 02:42
schestowitzHe kind of admires me... so after I got shot I chased the shooter, busted him and got back to the gym to do push-ups, he saidFeb 15 02:42
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schestowitzAnd in another dream he said I dropped the phone down some stairs and the phone bounced all the way backFeb 15 02:43
DaemonFCobviously, if he thinks you'd go back to doing push-ups after being shotFeb 15 02:43
schestowitzFrankly, I can't remember my dreams evenFeb 15 02:43
schestowitzSome people sleep long enough to have memorable dreamsFeb 15 02:43
DaemonFCschestowitz, Being shot isn't always actually very painfulFeb 15 02:43
schestowitzThis morning I had this dream about site error, so when I woke up I couldn't help checkingFeb 15 02:43
DaemonFCyou can be in shock to the point of not feeling it for some timeFeb 15 02:43
schestowitzHow do you know, cowboy?Feb 15 02:44
DaemonFC:)Feb 15 02:44
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DaemonFCa friend of mine was shot when she was in DetroitFeb 15 02:44
DaemonFCand sat in her car long enough to smoke a cigarette before driving herself to the hospitalFeb 15 02:45
schestowitzDepends where and how you get shotFeb 15 02:45
schestowitzLike if it's in the bum, a la Forrest GumpFeb 15 02:45
DaemonFCshe said the pain didn't even start registering until she was in the hospitalFeb 15 02:45
schestowitzWTF?Feb 15 02:45
DaemonFCschestowitz, That was a mosquito bite ;)Feb 15 02:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Top Lists of #GNU #Linux Distributions and Other Things http://www.ghacks.net/2010/02/14/top-5-top-s-for-linux/Feb 15 02:45
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schestowitzSo she got shot, has a smoke,, got bored and then though, "hey, what the heck, I have a hole in me, better go see a doctor"?Feb 15 02:46
schestowitz*had *thoughtFeb 15 02:46
DaemonFCshe said the bullet went in her back, to the right and under her left shoulderFeb 15 02:46
DaemonFCschestowitz, pretty muchFeb 15 02:46
DaemonFCshe still has the scar from thatFeb 15 02:46
schestowitzMaybe she was stonedFeb 15 02:47
DaemonFCno clueFeb 15 02:47
schestowitzYou know, the morphine without the DocFeb 15 02:47
DaemonFCI'd have felt it right away, lolFeb 15 02:47
schestowitzNo police?Feb 15 02:48
DaemonFCnopeFeb 15 02:48
schestowitzBTW, Illinois is going bankrupt I think, like CAFeb 15 02:48
DaemonFCI'd believe that thoughFeb 15 02:48
schestowitzPolice schmolice?Feb 15 02:48
schestowitzPolice schmAlice?Feb 15 02:48
DaemonFCDetroit is one of the highest crime cities in the countryFeb 15 02:48
DaemonFCyou go into a department store and everything is up off the floor and lockedFeb 15 02:49
DaemonFClike clothes, they'll be way up out of reachFeb 15 02:49
DaemonFCschestowitz, Radian6 is backFeb 15 02:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux as a Free Platform: New Presentation http://aligunduz.org/blog/2010/02/fully-free-gnulinux-presentation/Feb 15 02:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Multiseat #GNU #Linux Desktops a Threat to #Windows Position http://satellite.tmcnet.com/news/2010/02/11/4617301.htmFeb 15 02:52
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schestowitz[02:50] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, Radian6 is backFeb 15 02:53
schestowitzIt's crawling BNFeb 15 02:53
schestowitzI noticed repeated visits last week Feb 15 02:53
schestowitzBut I don't view stats anymoreFeb 15 02:53
schestowitzI can'tFeb 15 02:53
schestowitzThe proxy/cache means that the server only serves non-cached pages locallyFeb 15 02:54
DaemonFCI just got a referral from "login.radian6.com to the post I made about Comcast sending me the login info to the other Ryan Farmer's account yesterdayFeb 15 02:54
schestowitzFeb 15 02:54
schestowitz[02:48] <DaemonFC> Detroit is one of the highest crime cities in the countryFeb 15 02:54
schestowitzWA #1 for gun crime still?Feb 15 02:54
schestowitzI was there some years agoFeb 15 02:54
schestowitzGore Vidal says it used to be predominantly blackFeb 15 02:54
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rateFeb 15 02:54
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schestowitzDepends on what gets classified as crimeFeb 15 02:55
schestowitzI never did drugs, but I would hardly describe it as crimeFeb 15 02:55
schestowitzDoes theft count as much as murderFeb 15 02:55
schestowitzIs tax evasion the same as violent crime?Feb 15 02:55
schestowitzCrimes not reported to the police counted?Feb 15 02:55
schestowitzYou can have lots of fun redefining stats the way that favours youFeb 15 02:55
DaemonFCwell, in murder, New Orleans is the most dangerous major cityFeb 15 02:56
schestowitzSame w/ unemployment figuresFeb 15 02:56
DaemonFCDetroit is #4Feb 15 02:56
schestowitzI am bemused when they say 100000 more jobs were lost and unemployment is down tooFeb 15 02:56
DaemonFCCleveland, Ohio is #1 in "forcible rape"Feb 15 02:57
schestowitzIt shows the effect of qualification within a window... where if you don't find a job within x months, then you're neither employed or unemployedFeb 15 02:57
DaemonFCis there a voluntary rape category?Feb 15 02:57
schestowitzMaybeFeb 15 02:57
schestowitzIs it still rape though?Feb 15 02:57
schestowitzMaybe regrettable sexFeb 15 02:57
DaemonFCOakland, California is #1 for car theftsFeb 15 02:57
DaemonFC:DFeb 15 02:57
DaemonFCyou're most likely to be robbed in St. Louis, MissouriFeb 15 02:58
DaemonFCSt. Louis is also #1 when sorted by "all violent crime"Feb 15 02:58
DaemonFCIndianapolis is number 19 when sorted by "all violent crime"Feb 15 02:59
DaemonFCDetroit is number 4Feb 15 02:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many #GNU #Linux Events Come Soon http://ur1.ca/mcer http://ur1.ca/mces http://ur1.ca/mcet http://ur1.ca/mceuFeb 15 02:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Favoured for High Performance http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/12/hpc_for_the_masses/Feb 15 03:01
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DaemonFCFort Wayne, Indiana is pretty safe I guessFeb 15 03:02
DaemonFCit's down near the end when you sort by violent crime in generalFeb 15 03:02
DaemonFC10 murders per year per 100,000 people vs. 33.8 murders per year per 100,000 in DetroitFeb 15 03:03
DaemonFCso the murder rate in Detroit is more than triple :DFeb 15 03:03
DaemonFCand Detroit is more than double the murder rate in IndianapolisFeb 15 03:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's Distribution of #GNU #Linux Gets Industry Support http://ur1.ca/mcf8 http://ur1.ca/mcf9Feb 15 03:04
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DaemonFCit's cause of higher unemployment, more welfare, and lots of drug trafficking up thereFeb 15 03:05
DaemonFCthat's what I'd sayFeb 15 03:05
DaemonFClots of "social undesirables" move up to Michigan because there's more welfare up thereFeb 15 03:05
DaemonFCit's like a magnetFeb 15 03:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux ( #Kernel Space) Just One Step Away from New Final Release http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/2/12/222 http://lwn.net/Articles/374197/rssFeb 15 03:05
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DaemonFCthe ones there who do want to work are losing their jobs at twice the rate of the rest of the country and having to resort to crime or just getting the hell out of MichiganFeb 15 03:06
DaemonFCthe state is quickly filling up with welfare cases who commit crimes and all the taxpaying workers are losing their jobs and emigrating (to Indiana even)Feb 15 03:07
DaemonFCthere's been over 500,000 people from Michigan move to Indiana in the last year aloneFeb 15 03:08
DaemonFCto get workFeb 15 03:08
DaemonFCIndiana has grown in population by 13.4% just by people following their job out of MichiganFeb 15 03:10
DaemonFCwatch what happens during the census this year, I'll bet you Indiana gains a congressional district and an electoral vote just off the population we siphoned from Michigan (which is clearly dying)Feb 15 03:11
DaemonFCschestowitz, At the same time, this is keeping Indiana's "unemployment rate down"Feb 15 03:12
DaemonFCjobs siphoned from Michigan and more people from Michigan here that count as Indiana residents nowFeb 15 03:13
DaemonFCso that's some of why the government is saying that Indiana is at 9.9% while Michigan is at over 16%Feb 15 03:13
schestowitzDaemonFC: doesn't mean muchFeb 15 03:14
schestowitzStates are too bigFeb 15 03:14
schestowitzNi account for classes inside the statesFeb 15 03:14
schestowitzAnd unemployment can go down ALONG with layoffsFeb 15 03:15
DaemonFCschestowitz, Michigan is also not where new jobs are going because they have higher taxes on manufacturingFeb 15 03:15
FurnaceBoythrow some tariffs on chinese importsFeb 15 03:16
schestowitzYour unemployment measures can be thought of as gauging the /pace/ of unemploymentFeb 15 03:16
DaemonFC400 jobs are in the process of being added in the town I live in, 330 from a Canadian companyFeb 15 03:16
schestowitzIf it goes down, then it means fewer people are added to the pool of 'workless'Feb 15 03:16
FurnaceBoyreally big honking tariffs, the kind they'll declare war overFeb 15 03:16
DaemonFC70 from another company that's moving in and shutting down the plant in MichiganFeb 15 03:16
DaemonFCof course I'm glad they're coming here instead of building things in Michigan and OntarioFeb 15 03:17
DaemonFCI might be biased though :)Feb 15 03:17
DaemonFCthe Canadian company builds gas grills or somethingFeb 15 03:18
DaemonFCthe company coming in from Michigan makes car parts and is adding a third shift at the factory hereFeb 15 03:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] my wife's #Spanish is so good, she corrects @ricky_martinFeb 15 03:19
DaemonFCIf the government unemployment rate is to be believed, we have a 15.5% unemployment rate among adults over 18 which is 73.8% of Huntington's population of 17,450. Feb 15 03:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora 13 #Graphics Stack Gets Very Good and Free http://ur1.ca/mcg5 http://ur1.ca/mcg6 #nouveauFeb 15 03:21
DaemonFCWhich leaves 1,996 unemployed, roughlyFeb 15 03:21
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DaemonFCadjusting for new jobs being added and old ones leaving, this would get us to about 11.6%Feb 15 03:23
DaemonFCthank you Michigan and Canada, we needed that :PFeb 15 03:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of Document Processing Applications for #GNU #Linux http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20100211134434458/DocumentProcessors.html%5CFeb 15 03:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Games for #GNU Linux Expected with New Game Engine http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk4MgFeb 15 03:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "she'll take away your pain / like a bullet to the brain"? That's a very regrettable lyric, @ricky_martinFeb 15 03:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Compiz Comes to #KDE 4.4 SC, More KDE 4.4 Goodness http://ur1.ca/mcgk http://ur1.ca/mcglFeb 15 03:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "she'll take away your pain / like a bullet to your brain"? That's a very regrettable lyric, @ricky_martin #lavidalocaFeb 15 03:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE- #GNOME Comparison http://www.everyjoe.com/newlinuxuser/kde-or-gnome/Feb 15 03:29
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Why would you use Compiz in KDE?Feb 15 03:30
DaemonFCThey already "cloned" all of the Compiz plugins in KwinFeb 15 03:30
DaemonFC:)Feb 15 03:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Themes Galore for #GNU #Linux Desktops http://ur1.ca/mcgo http://ur1.ca/mcgp http://ur1.ca/mcgqFeb 15 03:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Distribution of #GNU #Linux is Released for Hacking http://ur1.ca/mcgsFeb 15 03:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Gets 5.5 Out, Gets Upgrade http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6651420609.html?kc=rss http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=83808Feb 15 03:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Canadian Gold Medal - Men's Mogols!Feb 15 03:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: actually i never got compiz going on this gentoo system. haven't tried for a long time thoFeb 15 03:38
DaemonFCwell, I have my own thoughts about GentooFeb 15 03:39
FurnaceBoyeh? it worksFeb 15 03:39
FurnaceBoydid you ever use it?Feb 15 03:39
DaemonFCGentoo sucks. Sabayon is surprisingly worse though.Feb 15 03:39
DaemonFCyeah, like 4-5 years agoFeb 15 03:39
FurnaceBoydid you ever use Gentoo?Feb 15 03:39
FurnaceBoyah.Feb 15 03:39
FurnaceBoywhat about it "sucked"?Feb 15 03:40
FurnaceBoywell, anyway, pointless argument. works for me, it's my money-earning machine. but then i've run it on colo servers and company gateways for yearsFeb 15 03:40
FurnaceBoyi prefer solaris on servers when i get a choice thoughFeb 15 03:40
DaemonFCPortage mainlyFeb 15 03:41
DaemonFCI suffered the same problems on SabayonFeb 15 03:41
FurnaceBoywhat was the problem with it?Feb 15 03:41
DaemonFCmy CPU couldn't handle the build process of things I asked it to installFeb 15 03:42
DaemonFC(an Athlon64 3200+ at the time)Feb 15 03:42
FurnaceBoythat's a beefier box than i am usingFeb 15 03:42
FurnaceBoyi probably started on a 500MHz PIII/K6-2 classFeb 15 03:42
DaemonFCwell, it could but I think I waited an hour for it to give me XchatFeb 15 03:42
FurnaceBoyodd.Feb 15 03:42
FurnaceBoyas I've said before, I'm on a P4 3.2 and everything's fastFeb 15 03:43
FurnaceBoylet me time how long xchat takes to build...Feb 15 03:43
DaemonFCthe 3200+ is at least as fast as thatFeb 15 03:43
FurnaceBoyyes.Feb 15 03:43
FurnaceBoydefinitelyFeb 15 03:43
FurnaceBoyi have some Duron 32 s hereFeb 15 03:43
FurnaceBoydual cpu rack systemsFeb 15 03:43
FurnaceBoybut let me see how long this p4 takes to build xchat.. just for curiosity valueFeb 15 03:43
DaemonFCI have a Phenom II X4 @ 3 Ghz nowFeb 15 03:44
DaemonFCit tore through compiling SauerbratenFeb 15 03:44
DaemonFCthat's probably the biggest thing I've built with it Feb 15 03:44
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FurnaceBoydeepthought xchat # time ebuild  xchat-2.8.6-r2.ebuild compileFeb 15 03:47
DaemonFC"10 years compiling" is a good way to describe GentooFeb 15 03:47
DaemonFChttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/GentooTen.pngFeb 15 03:47
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DaemonFChehe'Feb 15 03:47
FurnaceBoyeh? that's not my experience at all.Feb 15 03:47
FurnaceBoyi rarely wait for itFeb 15 03:47
FurnaceBoyanyway, xchat in under 2 mins. longer than i expectedFeb 15 03:47
FurnaceBoybut that's on a 2004 spec machineFeb 15 03:48
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, I think I let it run while I was at work one night lolFeb 15 03:48
DaemonFCI've been meaning to try Slackware again for several yearsFeb 15 03:49
DaemonFCI used to use it just out of curiosity/boredom back when it was on floppy disks and the best way to get it was to buy a book on using it and send away to the publisher for the setFeb 15 03:50
DaemonFCI probably don't know or remember enough about it to be useful nowFeb 15 03:52
FurnaceBoysounds like youi need something useful to do. life's too short for installing operating systemsFeb 15 03:52
FurnaceBoyunless you're wiping windowsFeb 15 03:52
DaemonFCUbuntu has worked well enough to be my main systemFeb 15 03:52
FurnaceBoy:)Feb 15 03:54
FurnaceBoyso get back to work!Feb 15 03:54
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Usually when something doesn't work right, it was an Ubuntu or Debian developer applying their own patchFeb 15 03:57
DaemonFCso that not even the guy that wrote it can tell you what theirs is up toFeb 15 03:57
DaemonFClolFeb 15 03:57
DaemonFCit's usually trivial or minor bugs that Debian or Ubuntu add to a package, but it happens frequentlyFeb 15 03:58
FurnaceBoyDebian is very interventionist in their packaging.Feb 15 03:58
FurnaceBoythis is a real problemFeb 15 03:59
FurnaceBoyfor adminsFeb 15 03:59
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, I noticed a problem last year in wpasupplicant and reported it to Ubuntu where it got ignored until someone reported the same problem to Debian 3 months later citing my Ubuntu bug reportFeb 15 04:00
DaemonFCturned out that the garbage it was putting in the log was a result of a Debian patch :DFeb 15 04:01
DaemonFCDebian was also the cause of the broken OpenSSHFeb 15 04:01
DaemonFCif you install the original Ubuntu 8.04, then your system has that vulnerability until you update it :)Feb 15 04:02
FurnaceBoyyusFeb 15 04:04
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DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, someone posted "What's the worst type of crime?" and said he figured it was rape.Feb 15 05:09
DaemonFCI replied "Actually, the worst type of crime is smoking Marijuana. Why do you think they budget 20 times more money to fighting people smoking a joint than they do to help rape victims? The government would NEVER prioritize rape that low if it was actually all that much of a crime."Feb 15 05:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Holy cow some people write rude emails. Glad I was raised better than that.Feb 15 05:09
FurnaceBoy...wow.Feb 15 05:10
*FurnaceBoy wonders where they put murder, genocide, etc.Feb 15 05:10
*FurnaceBoy wonders how they would rate someone like Bernie MadoffFeb 15 05:10
DaemonFCAnother claim made that foreign countries never help us after a disaster.Feb 15 05:17
DaemonFChttp://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?p=208735#post208735Feb 15 05:17
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DaemonFCmy replyFeb 15 05:17
DaemonFClike the ending? :)Feb 15 05:17
FurnaceBoyi just deleted an email thread from my inbox with a guy who makes you look like Mary Poppins.Feb 15 05:18
FurnaceBoyand it wasn't even political.Feb 15 05:18
FurnaceBoyhe was just a rude, closed-minded jerkFeb 15 05:18
FurnaceBoyand I *know* from rude closed-minded jerks ;-)Feb 15 05:18
FurnaceBoythat's been teh story of this week. ad hominems and "la-la-la-la-la-oh whatever you just said, doesn;'t exist-la-la-la-la"Feb 15 05:20
*FurnaceBoy is a bit over itFeb 15 05:20
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4Feb 15 05:24
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FurnaceBoyalso look into the random shootings by "authorities"....good accounts exist.Feb 15 05:32
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, http://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?p=208736#post208736Feb 15 05:43
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DaemonFClolFeb 15 05:43
DaemonFCI'm on a reply roll :DFeb 15 05:43
DaemonFC"In high school, about all you have to do is float through on Ds and they pass you, and if you can't take their "Every Child Left Behind" test and pass, they just put you in special education where you can make some macaroni pictures every day until you turn 18 and graduate."Feb 15 05:44
DaemonFC*grin*Feb 15 05:44
amarsh04http://www.theage.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/bank-deals-ok-as-tv-news-not-factual-acma-20100211-nv8d.htmlFeb 15 05:48
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cubezzzin my day it was called "Opportunity class"Feb 15 05:57
DaemonFCQuote: Originally Posted by Cobalt / Oh well, none of this will matter when the zombie apocalypse takes everyone's life.Feb 15 05:58
DaemonFC"And none of that will matter when 500 foot MechaJesus comes down to Earth and raptures the True Christians(R) before leaving the sinners to be eaten by the zombie apocalypse swarm. I think that's like, in the bible or some junk." -MeFeb 15 05:58
DaemonFChttp://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?t=21295Feb 15 06:01
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FurnaceBoywhy do you bother with such a sophomoric venue?Feb 15 06:01
DaemonFCdunnoFeb 15 06:02
FurnaceBoyhttp://twitter.com/RWRenfrew/status/9129291119Feb 15 06:03
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DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Srsly?Feb 15 06:05
DaemonFC:)Feb 15 06:05
DaemonFChttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61B1ZJ20100215Feb 15 06:05
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DaemonFCWell, that was $50 billion well spent I'm sureFeb 15 06:05
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I'm not making it up, just passing onFeb 15 06:07
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, It's not like it's doing them any good to have a 12th gradeFeb 15 06:07
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: apparently not. why have education at all. quaint idea, like banning tortureFeb 15 06:08
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: they could save 50% by eliminating women from schools.Feb 15 06:08
DaemonFCthe entire point of high school is to make you just smart enough to scrub toilets and flip burgersFeb 15 06:08
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: what do women need education for, especially in UtahFeb 15 06:08
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: right, and WITHOUT HIGH SCHOOL how far do you get?Feb 15 06:08
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: don't be obtuseFeb 15 06:08
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: try ending a college or university without high schoolFeb 15 06:09
DaemonFCwell, seeing as how no entry level job even checksFeb 15 06:09
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: or getting a better job than thatFeb 15 06:09
DaemonFCyou should just lie to them if you likeFeb 15 06:09
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: institutions checkFeb 15 06:09
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and so does immigration, if you ever wanted to move to a civilised countryFeb 15 06:09
FurnaceBoys/ending/entering/ sighFeb 15 06:10
DaemonFCgood for themFeb 15 06:10
FurnaceBoyi am not sure they've really thought this through.Feb 15 06:10
DaemonFCsure they haveFeb 15 06:11
FurnaceBoycome to Utah, where your kids education will be truncatedFeb 15 06:11
FurnaceBoyi suppose it might work if they dropped entry requirements for Utah colleges and universitiesFeb 15 06:11
DaemonFCthey can just cram it all into the 75% of empty bullshit time in 9, 10, and 11Feb 15 06:11
DaemonFC:)Feb 15 06:11
FurnaceBoybut then, how would that pan out compared to the rest of the states?Feb 15 06:11
DaemonFCsame results in 1 less yearFeb 15 06:12
FurnaceBoythe first thing is that they'd get a lot more out of state entrantsFeb 15 06:12
FurnaceBoyputting pressure on the univ systemFeb 15 06:12
FurnaceBoyso it's just like squeezing a balloon, isn't it.Feb 15 06:12
DaemonFCthey slow down each grade to the point where stupid people can absorb the material, and then you end the year with half the book unfinishedFeb 15 06:12
DaemonFCthat's what it isFeb 15 06:12
FurnaceBoywhen will you people figure out that TAX HAS A USE.Feb 15 06:12
FurnaceBoy(other than killing people)Feb 15 06:12
DaemonFCthey could get you through the entire think in 8-9 years if they would throw out the dead weightFeb 15 06:12
FurnaceBoybut that isn't going to happen, and you know it.Feb 15 06:13
DaemonFCsend them off to make macaroni pictures in special edFeb 15 06:13
DaemonFCnot crapping up the classroom with dead weight to anchor people who are salvageable Feb 15 06:13
DaemonFCif they "accelerated" the class to the point where a reasonably smart person could keep up, there's no reason why they couldn't pare down the number of years you had to go to schoolFeb 15 06:14
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: do you really subscribe to this "two classes of people" crud?Feb 15 06:15
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and furthermore that you can somehow separate them into two buckets early in schooling?Feb 15 06:15
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Sure do. That's why classes are bogged down and don't teach you very muchFeb 15 06:16
FurnaceBoyoh boy.Feb 15 06:16
DaemonFCthey have to go only as fast as the slowest students can keep upFeb 15 06:16
FurnaceBoywell, news flash: Utah would cut one year for EVERYBODY.Feb 15 06:16
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that's a totally different point.Feb 15 06:16
DaemonFCit's like telling the athletic students to slow down to a brisk walk in gym classFeb 15 06:16
DaemonFCto keep up with the fattiesFeb 15 06:16
FurnaceBoythat's not what I asked.Feb 15 06:16
FurnaceBoyI asked whether you believe in this "two classes" business. The deserving and hard worker versus the parasitic hanger-on.Feb 15 06:17
FurnaceBoyand whether you believe this identification can be made early in schoolingFeb 15 06:17
DaemonFCright, and if they would sort it out, they could reconfigure the other grades on high school to keep up Feb 15 06:17
DaemonFC*inFeb 15 06:17
FurnaceBoyso you do believe that there is such a distinction, and that you can do a kind of "chicken-sexing" to work out who's who.Feb 15 06:18
DaemonFCThere are people with lower IQsFeb 15 06:18
FurnaceBoy...Feb 15 06:18
FurnaceBoyyou actually take IQ tests seriously?Feb 15 06:18
DaemonFCthey shove the people with IQs of 90 in the same classes as people who score 150Feb 15 06:18
FurnaceBoyholy crapFeb 15 06:18
DaemonFCof course they have to slow down for the sake of the lowest functioning studentsFeb 15 06:19
DaemonFC:)Feb 15 06:19
FurnaceBoyyou think people should be sorted based on IQ testing?Feb 15 06:19
DaemonFCdamned rightFeb 15 06:19
FurnaceBoywhy bother educating the 'tards and the women at all?Feb 15 06:19
FurnaceBoythere's big savings to be made here.Feb 15 06:19
DaemonFCsend them to go make macaroni picturesFeb 15 06:19
DaemonFCremember to give them safety scissors now... ;)Feb 15 06:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] If you have been wondering alot about truth behind Freemasonry, then you must read Dan Brown's Lost Symbol, it offers a great inroduction!Feb 15 06:19
FurnaceBoyi take it you're merely humorousFeb 15 06:19
FurnaceBoybeing*Feb 15 06:20
DaemonFCI guess it's funny and serious at the same time that this tragedy is allowed to go onFeb 15 06:20
DaemonFCfunny in an ironic senseFeb 15 06:20
DaemonFCironic that Forrest Gump should hold back what the state expects from the entire classFeb 15 06:21
DaemonFCthus, you get a very "Gump-ish" class of 15 instead of Gump sent off to make macaroni pictures and 14 kids that stand a chanceFeb 15 06:22
DaemonFCAll I'm saying is that the kid who sits in the back and huffs glue shouldn't dictate the pace of the rest of the classFeb 15 06:23
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, "Go ahead.....take day off!" :DFeb 15 06:25
FurnaceBoyyeah but this observation is pretty banal,don't you think?Feb 15 06:25
FurnaceBoylike this is one of the fundamental classroom dynamics, that any competent teacher has to solveFeb 15 06:26
DaemonFCsend them to special edFeb 15 06:26
FurnaceBoyeh, you don't see how that doesn't work?Feb 15 06:26
DaemonFCit would if we would quit worrying about being so politically correctFeb 15 06:27
FurnaceBoy...Feb 15 06:27
FurnaceBoyno, that's not the problem with it.Feb 15 06:27
FurnaceBoynever mind.Feb 15 06:27
*FurnaceBoy has other stuff to do, as usualFeb 15 06:27
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: just out of curiosity, are you anti-abortion or pro-choice?Feb 15 06:27
DaemonFCwhat does that have to do with anything?Feb 15 06:28
FurnaceBoyquite a lotFeb 15 06:28
FurnaceBoyplus, I'm curiousFeb 15 06:28
DaemonFCAre you pro-abortion while being against genocide?Feb 15 06:28
FurnaceBoyhehFeb 15 06:28
DaemonFCthere's the contradictionFeb 15 06:28
FurnaceBoyif you say so.Feb 15 06:29
FurnaceBoyso you prefer to answer the question indirectly?Feb 15 06:29
DaemonFCabortion is basically just a population control mechanismFeb 15 06:29
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DaemonFCthe UN likes it because it gets rid of a lot of "useless eaters"Feb 15 06:29
FurnaceBoyare you going to answer the question?Feb 15 06:29
DaemonFCI think it's no better or worse than premeditated murderFeb 15 06:30
FurnaceBoyok cool.Feb 15 06:30
FurnaceBoyjust checking.Feb 15 06:30
DaemonFCI don't believe a woman has any more right to kill her babies than I have the right to stab you 47 times and dump you in a riverFeb 15 06:30
DaemonFCthe only thing that might make my situation better is that you might have some money in your walletFeb 15 06:31
DaemonFCat least I had a reason :DFeb 15 06:31
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, The usual way baby murder advocates try to wash away the "adoption" argument is by saying there aren't enough parents to adopt all those kidsFeb 15 06:32
FurnaceBoyI wasn't opening the topic, just asking that questionFeb 15 06:32
DaemonFCThe people doing the adopting immediately go adopt kids from foreign countryFeb 15 06:32
*FurnaceBoy has no interest in discussing itFeb 15 06:32
DaemonFCthat's why there's not enoughFeb 15 06:33
FurnaceBoynot enough what?Feb 15 06:33
FurnaceBoywhite kids to adopt?Feb 15 06:33
DaemonFCconservatives are worries that kids will "get the gay"Feb 15 06:33
DaemonFCthat's another reason why there's not enough adopting parentsFeb 15 06:33
FurnaceBoywow, we're heading for the weeds, i think. i have other stuff to do.Feb 15 06:33
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FurnaceBoydon't you have stuff to do?Feb 15 06:33
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Abortion is made worse by the far left and the far rightFeb 15 06:34
DaemonFCboth of them take some blame for thisFeb 15 06:34
DaemonFCthe far right actually gives the far left their excuse to do itFeb 15 06:34
FurnaceBoyI wasn't opening the topicFeb 15 06:35
DaemonFCso why did you ask me how I felt about it?Feb 15 06:35
FurnaceBoybecause I was curious about it.Feb 15 06:37
FurnaceBoyyou've told us so much else about your positions on this and thatFeb 15 06:37
FurnaceBoyjust filling in that little blank on the formFeb 15 06:37
FurnaceBoywhat was your IQ test result?Feb 15 06:38
FurnaceBoyit has a little flowchart how we're supposed to process you Feb 15 06:38
DaemonFC136Feb 15 06:38
FurnaceBoyhm.. i have some bad news.Feb 15 06:38
FurnaceBoythat's actually not high enough to qualify for a wide range of subjects... those are filled by our 'alpha' citizensFeb 15 06:39
FurnaceBoyunfortunately, only 'alphas' may apply to government positions... which as you know are better paid.Feb 15 06:39
DaemonFCyeah, that's not my argument thoughFeb 15 06:39
FurnaceBoybut we have assigned you to a reasonably nice accommodation unit from which you can see the alphas' glass towersFeb 15 06:40
DaemonFCmy argument was essentially "Why screw over 90% of the population for the benefit of the bottom 10%"?Feb 15 06:40
FurnaceBoyi know, i'm kidding. i really need to do some other stuff. unless you can explain why the environment variables for svnadmin which govern the runtime berkeley db library are not documented in the bleedin manual.Feb 15 06:40
DaemonFCthey're going to scrub toilets, everyone knows itFeb 15 06:40
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: well, I assume you're joking.Feb 15 06:40
DaemonFCwhy rob other kids of their education by slowing down for them?Feb 15 06:40
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Not completing the entire book for that grade for that class is not good enough.Feb 15 06:43
DaemonFCThat book was usually made with the expectation that you could get through it in a year. So why don't they?Feb 15 06:43
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: there could be quite a variety of reasons.Feb 15 06:44
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: "being inherently a 2nd class non-contributing citizen" is probably the least possible of all.Feb 15 06:44
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: what do you do for kicks? some racial profiling too?Feb 15 06:45
DaemonFCpretty muchFeb 15 06:45
DaemonFCthere is a racial correlation to crime, but I'm not saying that causes itFeb 15 06:46
FurnaceBoythere is?Feb 15 06:46
DaemonFCit's a culture that is rebelling against being "oppressed"Feb 15 06:46
FurnaceBoyi didn't know crime was genetic.Feb 15 06:46
DaemonFCan anti-intellectual cultureFeb 15 06:46
FurnaceBoywell that really DOES simplify things.Feb 15 06:46
DaemonFChow do you explain rap music?Feb 15 06:47
*FurnaceBoy wonders how they could have missed this incredible connectionFeb 15 06:47
DaemonFCcan you explain it and still be a liberal?Feb 15 06:47
FurnaceBoywell, aborting black babies should totally clean up society.Feb 15 06:47
FurnaceBoyif your theory holds.Feb 15 06:47
FurnaceBoylike, SOLVED!Feb 15 06:47
DaemonFCwell, it is mainly blacks that get abortedFeb 15 06:47
FurnaceBoyso why do we still have Crime?Feb 15 06:47
FurnaceBoyhuh?Feb 15 06:47
DaemonFCbecause there's still a large, anti-intellectual, anti-white culture of black peopleFeb 15 06:48
FurnaceBoysurely aborting black babies, all of them, would eliminate crime.Feb 15 06:48
FurnaceBoystands to reason.Feb 15 06:48
cubezzzbecause non blacks also commit crimes of courseFeb 15 06:48
FurnaceBoykilling muslims eliminates terrorism, too.Feb 15 06:48
FurnaceBoycubezzz: nonsenseFeb 15 06:48
DaemonFCmost of it, not allFeb 15 06:48
FurnaceBoycubezzz: DaemonFC said it's genetically blacksFeb 15 06:48
DaemonFCit's not the right thing to do thoughFeb 15 06:48
FurnaceBoyno?Feb 15 06:48
FurnaceBoywhy not?Feb 15 06:48
FurnaceBoyit's perfectly rational, given your theory of genetic crimeFeb 15 06:48
FurnaceBoyis terrorism genetic too?Feb 15 06:49
DaemonFCit's not geneticFeb 15 06:49
FurnaceBoyhow about wealth?Feb 15 06:49
DaemonFCit is a belief systemFeb 15 06:49
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: race is geneticFeb 15 06:49
DaemonFCthey believe they are oppressedFeb 15 06:49
DaemonFCthey believe whites are doing it to themFeb 15 06:49
FurnaceBoygoshFeb 15 06:49
DaemonFCthey rebel with an anti-intellectual cultureFeb 15 06:49
FurnaceBoytell us about the Palestinian mindset. I'm bored with blacks already.Feb 15 06:49
DaemonFCthey do brutish violent crimes and "rap" about itFeb 15 06:49
DaemonFCreligious terroristsFeb 15 06:50
DaemonFCagain, an ideaFeb 15 06:50
FurnaceBoyah thanks. is there a genetic component?Feb 15 06:50
DaemonFCnot directlyFeb 15 06:50
FurnaceBoyyou know, like the blacks cause crime one.Feb 15 06:50
DaemonFCpeople solidify in groups, separate themselves to colorFeb 15 06:50
FurnaceBoywow.Feb 15 06:50
DaemonFCagain, an ideaFeb 15 06:50
FurnaceBoyyeah, this idea of oppressionFeb 15 06:50
FurnaceBoyjust naturally springs up when your skin isn;t white.Feb 15 06:51
FurnaceBoythanks, you've clarified things a lot!Feb 15 06:51
FurnaceBoyi'm going to really have some harsh words with Liberal HQFeb 15 06:51
FurnaceBoyseems we were misled!Feb 15 06:51
cubezzzcan't we just bitch about Microsoft like normal? :)Feb 15 06:51
FurnaceBoypeople AREN'T all the same. the brown and black ones are freaking dangerous.Feb 15 06:51
FurnaceBoypeople should be told.Feb 15 06:51
FurnaceBoycubezzz: ah the good old daysFeb 15 06:51
DaemonFCI stand clear, FurnaceBoy Feb 15 06:52
FurnaceBoycubezzz: when MS was the biggest enemy of civilisation...Feb 15 06:52
DaemonFCin many casesFeb 15 06:52
FurnaceBoycubezzz: it's so COMPLICATED NowFeb 15 06:52
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Potato Head Iron Man http://ur1.ca/mcos !miotdFeb 15 06:52
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Broke-ass Washington state set to give MSFT $100M annual tax cut and amnesty for $1B in evasion http://ur1.ca/mcouFeb 15 06:52
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FurnaceBoywhy am I even here. I have numerous things to solve.Feb 15 06:52
DaemonFCThe most going near them could mean is that they don't decide to shoot meFeb 15 06:52
FurnaceBoyany Eclipse/java users here?Feb 15 06:52
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: once more, if i want violent paranoid fantasies i'll go to the Multiplex. I don't need yours here.Feb 15 06:53
DaemonFCso I'll stay out of their way and be more sure that I'm not going to get mugged/shotFeb 15 06:53
DaemonFCyeah, there's some bad areas of Fort Wayne or Marion where I won't get out of my carFeb 15 06:53
DaemonFCI've ended up pissing in an empty cup to avoid going into some of the gas stations a time or twoFeb 15 06:54
FurnaceBoymust be awful to be scared all the time.Feb 15 06:54
DaemonFCthere was a door to door rapist going through downtown Marion at one point :)Feb 15 06:55
DaemonFCall kinds of drug problems, murders sometimesFeb 15 06:55
DaemonFCthat shit just doesn't happen where I liveFeb 15 06:55
DaemonFCthe last murder here was in 1996 I believeFeb 15 06:56
DaemonFCsome DEA agent got strapped to a bed and had kerosene poured all over him, lit on fireFeb 15 06:57
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] I approve of supermarkets not stocking fish that might go extinct, but this article is written like shit http://ur1.ca/mcoxFeb 15 06:57
DaemonFCwe don't have street dealers here, we have the people that sell it to street dealersFeb 15 06:57
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DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, It's kind of like the mafia, don't bother them and they probably won't bother youFeb 15 07:00
DaemonFCthe street level dealers are obviously dangerous to the general publicFeb 15 07:00
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cubezzzok, strange request...Feb 15 07:09
cubezzzanyone know of a text only POS program?Feb 15 07:09
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DaemonFCcubezzz, Those are usually sold accompanying expensive systemsFeb 15 07:11
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DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Now the MPAA is trying to scrap the NC-17 rating and call it "Hard R"Feb 15 07:35
DaemonFCI can already see them abusing this rating to make movies seem more hardcore than they are :)Feb 15 07:35
FurnaceBoycubezzz: point of sale?Feb 15 07:35
DaemonFCI usually just sneak in the side door at the movies, lolFeb 15 07:36
DaemonFCwith all my own snacks with meFeb 15 07:37
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DaemonFCI'm watching The Omega Man for some reason, and I can definitely relate to this guy.Feb 15 08:19
DaemonFCwell, except that I can't take any car I want and drive as fast as I want to.Feb 15 08:19
DaemonFCAnd I have a landlord.Feb 15 08:19
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DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbOZso1HrPUFeb 15 08:40
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DaemonFC:)Feb 15 08:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxMint Gets a Life of Its Own http://ur1.ca/mctf #gnu #linux #ubuntuFeb 15 08:41
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DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gA16Fq4SAoFeb 15 08:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Daniel Tosh Destroys an iPad .::. Size~: 117.9 KBFeb 15 08:42
DaemonFCschestowitz should like thatFeb 15 08:42
DaemonFCI guess Apple sent him an iPad, unsolicited, so he'd say nice things about themFeb 15 08:44
DaemonFCand he did that with it insteadFeb 15 08:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Reviews of #Nokia 's #Linux Phone http://ur1.ca/mctw http://ur1.ca/mctx #n900Feb 15 08:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Teleca Turns Focus to #Linux http://www.your-story.org/teleca-brings-smart-solutions-to-mobile-world-congress-110253/Feb 15 08:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Tablets Running #GNU #Linux a Risk to Apple's Toys http://ur1.ca/mcuaFeb 15 08:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: IEEE Spectrum: Is Apple's iEmpire in Danger as Google's Chrome OS Tablet Prepares to Face the iPad? .::. Size~: 83.53 KBFeb 15 08:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HP Puts #Linux on More Sub-notebooks, Latest #KDE4 Aims at Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/mcuc http://ur1.ca/mcudFeb 15 08:51
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DaemonFChttp://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?p=208751#post208751Feb 15 08:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Fucking Thanks Apple - ZomgStuff Forum .::. Size~: 172.21 KBFeb 15 08:56
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DaemonFCIs anyone here able to sketch things reasonably well?Feb 15 09:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Inkscape Makes a Great Application for #GNU #Linux http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10015093o-2000332346b,00.htmFeb 15 09:01
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: Community on ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 115.38 KBFeb 15 09:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] CIOs Increasingly Choose Free/Libre Software, Outlook Positive http://ur1.ca/mcus http://ur1.ca/mcutFeb 15 09:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: CIOs Jumping On The Free Software Bandwagon | Techdirt .::. Size~: 49 KBFeb 15 09:03
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DaemonFCI'd like someone to sketch 500 foot tall MechaJesus for meFeb 15 09:06
DaemonFCyou know, just to haveFeb 15 09:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Easier Than Most People Realise http://ur1.ca/mcvh http://ur1.ca/mcviFeb 15 09:06
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DaemonFCschestowitz, I'm not sure what the bitching was about over OOoFeb 15 09:10
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DaemonFC1. It didn't look that much like Ribbon to me. and 2. Who cares if it did? Look and feel are not trademarks.Feb 15 09:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Puts #FreeSoftware Lik#e Samba on Huge Clusters http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6982/1/Feb 15 09:10
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DaemonFCThose Linux distros that look like XP are legally in the clear as long as they don't call themselves Windows or use Microsoft's name or artwork or anything.Feb 15 09:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ideas of Business Model for #Mozilla #Thunderbird http://ostatic.com/blog/making-thunderbird-financially-sustainable-how-it-could-workFeb 15 09:11
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DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4StlvX-kOg&feature=player_embeddedFeb 15 09:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #OpenDNSSEC 1.0 Being Released is Important http://ur1.ca/mcwf http://ur1.ca/mcwgFeb 15 09:28
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Don't say that, you're get sued.Feb 15 09:40
DaemonFC:)Feb 15 09:40
schestowitzHuh?Feb 15 09:51
schestowitzNoFeb 15 09:51
DaemonFCa jokeFeb 15 09:51
schestowitzI don't use MAFIAA-tainted musicFeb 15 09:54
schestowitzI help artists that want their stuff listened toFeb 15 09:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies / #Copyrights Disconnect Led to #Google Blog Deletions http://ur1.ca/mbquFeb 15 10:07
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schestowitztessier__: pingFeb 15 10:09
*DaemonFC is watching Natural Bork Killers in HD B-)Feb 15 10:26
DaemonFC*BornFeb 15 10:27
DaemonFClolFeb 15 10:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Case of Financial #Fraud Settled at Company Currently Run by Former #Microsoft Executives http://ur1.ca/mdezFeb 15 10:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Case of Financial Fraud Settled at Company Currently Run by Former Microsoft Executives | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 87.17 KBFeb 15 10:27
DaemonFChmmm, I think half my meals are a chicken sandwich (deep fried) and some potato wedges (deep fries, coated in salt, and doused with ketchup)Feb 15 10:32
DaemonFCI don't think the life expectancy calculator took that into account when it said I should live to be about 76Feb 15 10:33
DaemonFCand why do I keep hearing THUD noises around my parking spot when nobody is out there?Feb 15 10:33
DaemonFC:)Feb 15 10:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New UI for ARM based Ubuntu machines. Looks great, performs well on machines with no 3d acceleration http://bit.ly/d9JyZTFeb 15 10:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The New UI for ARM Based Ubuntu Devices « linuxuk.org .::. Size~: 16.15 KBFeb 15 10:35
oiaohmI personally guess next android would be delayed for 2.6.34 Linux kernel.  The one that is plaining to have sleep locks.Feb 15 10:39
DaemonFCoiaohm, I don't know about Torvalds endorsing thatFeb 15 10:43
DaemonFCI think some money might have changed hands thereFeb 15 10:44
DaemonFCbut I do agree with one thing that he said, a cell phone is just a way to be frustrated wherever you happen to beFeb 15 10:44
oiaohmSleep locks improve the over all performance of the kernel.Feb 15 10:45
DaemonFCWhy some people spend hundreds of dollars a month on something as banal and ridiculous as a cell phone....Feb 15 10:45
DaemonFCgrrrrrr!!!!Feb 15 10:45
oiaohmSpinning waiting for a lock while what is holding the lock is a sleep is a waste of processor time.Feb 15 10:46
DaemonFCI don't even want as many minutes as I do have, but I have to buy them to have the BlackberryFeb 15 10:46
oiaohmIe sleep locks.  Is just a way smarter spinlock DaemonFCFeb 15 10:46
DaemonFCthey don't want you to get the Blackbery and only get 200 minutes and then unlimited dataFeb 15 10:46
DaemonFCI hate talking to people on the phone, they usually call to harass me, and incoming calls don't count against my minutesFeb 15 10:47
DaemonFCplease tell me why I would ever want 1,000 minutes a month :)Feb 15 10:47
oiaohmDaemonFC: 2.6.33 has the prep work for sleep locks.Feb 15 10:48
DaemonFCthe vast majority of my phone calls consist of "Yep, uh huh, sure will, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, bye bye"Feb 15 10:48
DaemonFCcan't hit the end button fast enoughFeb 15 10:48
DaemonFCsometimes I don't even answer because it will be people wanting me to do stuffFeb 15 10:49
oiaohmNow wonder if you could script a program to answer.Feb 15 10:49
oiaohmAnd how long before anyone noticed.Feb 15 10:49
DaemonFCThey had that in the 70's actuallyFeb 15 10:49
DaemonFCI believe they called it the answering machineFeb 15 10:49
oiaohmI am refering to likes of asterisk.Feb 15 10:50
DaemonFCyou bought it and a cassette tape and you never had to answer your phone again, and it would screen your calls tooFeb 15 10:51
oiaohmWhere it can wait for person on other end to pause before saying anything.Feb 15 10:51
DaemonFCso naturally, 20 years later in the 1990's the phone companies pimped caller ID which made you pay $10 more to do what your answering machine was sitting there doing for freeFeb 15 10:51
DaemonFCoiaohm, Why would I care that they know?Feb 15 10:52
DaemonFCThey can leave a message on my voice mail and later on I can say "Well, crap, I left my phone at home that day. Sorry!"Feb 15 10:52
DaemonFCno hurt feelings, no confrontations, and I still don't have to drive the crazy woman next door to workFeb 15 10:53
schestowitzDaemonFC: it's a bad filmFeb 15 10:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Numbers That #Microsoft Cannot Let You See http://ur1.ca/mdop A sobering look at how Microsoft is declining in most areasFeb 15 10:53
schestowitzI hated itFeb 15 10:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Numbers That Microsoft Cannot Let You See | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 86.92 KBFeb 15 10:53
DaemonFCof course I plan my exit from the house like a POW at a Nazi death campFeb 15 10:54
DaemonFClisten to see if she's out there. No? Key in hand so I can lock the deadbolt when I get out? Check. NOW!!!!Feb 15 10:54
DaemonFC:DFeb 15 10:54
DaemonFCI want to be just like her, move in in November, don't start paying the rent until January, and still have a place to liveFeb 15 10:55
DaemonFCand I know she isn't fucking the landlord because he's gayFeb 15 10:55
DaemonFCI was talking to my mom about that woman one day and she said "Maybe he doesn't want to throw her out in Winter" I said "She's lucky then, cause most landlords would evict her even if she had small children and no place to go."Feb 15 10:57
oiaohmOOo4kids is coming along nicely.Feb 15 10:58
DaemonFCschestowitz, Why exactly?Feb 15 11:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The “mainstream” press glorifies the same people who are looting society at large http://ur1.ca/mdu0 #microsoft #propaganda #patentFeb 15 11:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Readers Article: Love the Criminals | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 91.14 KBFeb 15 11:25
DaemonFChttp://www.owasp.org/index.php/Null-pointer_dereferenceFeb 15 11:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Null-pointer dereference - OWASP .::. Size~: 19.55 KBFeb 15 11:28
DaemonFCThey say to avoid C, C++, and Assembly to avoid this issueFeb 15 11:29
DaemonFCI suppose that's a hint that you should move to C#Feb 15 11:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] MEP asks for ACTA docs, should start a motion for resolution based on Lisbon Article 218 "parliament fully informed" http://i5.be/atPFeb 15 11:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Françoise Castex députée au Parlement Européen  Site Officiel de Françoise Castex » ACTA: Françoise Castex demande la publication du texte .::. Size~: 35.7 KBFeb 15 11:34
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2040/screenshotuc.pngFeb 15 11:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 15 11:57
*DaemonFC facepalmsFeb 15 11:57
oiaohmhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/openoffice-back-in-ubuntu-netbook.htmlFeb 15 12:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: It's Not The Hokey Cokey; OpenOffice BACK In Ubuntu Netbook Edition After User Outcry | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 102.89 KBFeb 15 12:05
schestowitzDaemonFC: violent filmFeb 15 12:10
schestowitzDaemonFC found drugs, I see...Feb 15 12:12
DaemonFCmmhmFeb 15 12:12
oiaohmhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/15/adobe_air_mobile/Feb 15 12:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Android first to host Adobe's AIR for smartpones • The Register .::. Size~: 25.21 KBFeb 15 12:13
DaemonFCsun is starting to riseFeb 15 12:17
*DaemonFC hissesFeb 15 12:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Latest from #Microsoft ’s Ambassador to #Linux (MVP Miguel de Icaza) and Other #FSF -Hostile Folks http://ur1.ca/mdzvFeb 15 12:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Latest from Microsofts Ambassador to Linux (MVP Miguel de Icaza) and Other FSF-Hostile Folks | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 90.98 KBFeb 15 12:18
Diablo-D3ironic andoird cant run flashFeb 15 12:18
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DaemonFCschestowitz, So why is Novell still having to fight Zombie SCO?Feb 15 12:36
DaemonFCyou'd think there would be a limit to how much litigation they could go through with their dwindling cash reservesFeb 15 12:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 2#IBM Helps #SoftwarePatents Spread to #India and Gets Sued for Patent Violations; #ELSE Joins #LiMo Patent Pool http://ur1.ca/me10Feb 15 12:39
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] No One Knows What the F*** They're Doing (or "The 3 Types of Knowledge") http://ur1.ca/me1jFeb 15 13:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: No One Knows What the F*** They're Doing (or "The 3 Types of Knowledge") .::. Size~: 79.13 KBFeb 15 13:02
DaemonFCPolitical Correctness is the reason nobody knows what they're doing :)Feb 15 13:07
DaemonFCIt's kind of hard to form a thought when the dictionary has been rewritten since the last thought you hadFeb 15 13:07
DaemonFC:)Feb 15 13:07
EruaranI like these (or this guy) who made fun of Miguel de Icaza on his blog.Feb 15 13:12
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politically_Correct_Bedtime_StoriesFeb 15 13:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Politically Correct Bedtime Stories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 44.85 KBFeb 15 13:12
EruaranSenior Icaza wants to push mono onto serversFeb 15 13:12
EruaranI like these responses:Feb 15 13:13
EruaranLinus: "Just to let you know, I have commenced translation of the kernel to C# and will let you know when the first RC needs testing."Feb 15 13:13
EruaranRMS: "I am so impressed by your persuasive arguments that I have decided to re-implement GNU in Mono/C#. Please advise on the appropriate licensing arrangements."Feb 15 13:13
DaemonFCEruaran, It's Senor btwFeb 15 13:14
Eruaransorry, my badFeb 15 13:14
DaemonFCI don't think that Mono's tentacles will ever be able to dig deep enough to threaten the GNU components, Linux, the X windowing system, etc.Feb 15 13:15
DaemonFCso if Microsoft ever does sue and decimate anything, it will be the companies that shipped Mono and encouraged its useFeb 15 13:16
DaemonFCWhat does this mean? Less Linux distributions? Yep. But they won't take out most of the ones that matter, or who actually develop anythingFeb 15 13:16
EruaranindeedFeb 15 13:16
DaemonFCif we lose Ubuntu, we lose 0.01% of the kernel development, 1 patch to X about every 5 years, and not a lot elseFeb 15 13:17
EruaranI was just thinking earlier that for all the effort and expense that Microsoft might go to in order to have hired lackeys like de Icaza spreading their poison, and trying to draw Linux distributions into their vortex (Ubuntu right now), there will be 10 other distributions ready to take its place.Feb 15 13:18
DaemonFCMandriva actually contributes 4.5 times as much to the kernel as Ubuntu doesFeb 15 13:18
oiaohmAnd mandriva has less staff than UbuntuFeb 15 13:18
DaemonFCNvidia contributes 26% more to the kernel than UbuntuFeb 15 13:18
EruaranAnd then there's Red Hat... Feb 15 13:19
oiaohmUbuntu contributes very little upstream.Feb 15 13:19
DaemonFChow bad do you have to suck before Nvidia outpaces you on kernel contributions? :)Feb 15 13:19
EruaranEven IntelFeb 15 13:19
oiaohmLook at ubuntu interface were is the development work going up stream.Feb 15 13:20
oiaohmThere is a lot of internal patching stuff.Feb 15 13:20
oiaohmNormally making stuff more broken.Feb 15 13:20
DaemonFCYeah, Mandriva has been through multiple rounds of layoffs, they probably only have 2, perhaps 3 employees doing anything related to kernel maintenance, and they still have 4.5 times the patches heading upstream than UbuntuFeb 15 13:21
oiaohmRedhat/Fedora has a very strict upstream policy.Feb 15 13:21
DaemonFCUbuntu has 12 people who are in some way responsible for the kernel last I checkedFeb 15 13:21
oiaohmSo you do see large amounts of stuff coming up stream out of Redhat/FedoraFeb 15 13:21
Eruaran12 people do less work than 3 ?Feb 15 13:21
EruaranThat surely takes effort...Feb 15 13:22
DaemonFCso if you boil that down to contribs per person, Mandriva employees are each doing 12 times more work on the kernel that ends upstream than Canonical employeesFeb 15 13:22
DaemonFCat leastFeb 15 13:22
oiaohmWith wine I have seen about 12 patches directly from Redhat developer over the last 12 months.   A few from Suse and MandriviaFeb 15 13:22
oiaohmNot one from a person who owns up to being from Ubuntu.Feb 15 13:23
DaemonFCEruaran, Yeah, less work that ends up going upstreamFeb 15 13:23
oiaohmNot exactly the issue.Feb 15 13:23
DaemonFCUbuntu and Debian are both carrying around a lot of patches that nobody has submitted or got rejected and live on in Ubuntu or Debian anywayFeb 15 13:23
oiaohmYou look at how many patches Ubuntu kernel developers back port.Feb 15 13:23
oiaohmBackporting wastes a hell of a lot of time.Feb 15 13:24
DaemonFCEruaran, You can't even BUILD GNOME from source on Ubuntu without applying some of their patches to itFeb 15 13:24
oiaohmYou are better off to say these features will be delayed to next release when we will be using the newer kernel.Feb 15 13:24
DaemonFCHow's that sounding? B-)Feb 15 13:24
EruaranDaemonFC: I don't understandFeb 15 13:24
DaemonFCthere won't be any using vanilla GNOMEFeb 15 13:25
DaemonFCit just....won't...even...buildFeb 15 13:25
DaemonFC:DFeb 15 13:25
oiaohmUbuntu has broken lots of dependanies  EruaranFeb 15 13:25
EruaranWHy would they stuff about like that?Feb 15 13:25
DaemonFCEruaran, Cause they're assholes trudging around breaking stuff that they don't even understandFeb 15 13:25
oiaohmBasically Ubuntu is internally a mess.Feb 15 13:25
DaemonFCHow do you think the OpenSSH bug happened in 2008?Feb 15 13:26
oiaohmNot exactly the case with OpenSSHFeb 15 13:26
oiaohmOne complier flag set that off.Feb 15 13:26
oiaohmNot a single line of code change.Feb 15 13:26
EruaranEven I know that at best this would only create more work needlessly and reduce productivity and effectivenessFeb 15 13:26
DaemonFCEruaran, Some Debian developer was trying to silence a compiler warning, so he applied a patch that BROKE the random number generator. :)Feb 15 13:26
oiaohmNoFeb 15 13:27
DaemonFCand so the defective OpenSSH got into Debian and every Debian-based distroFeb 15 13:27
DaemonFCincluding UbuntuFeb 15 13:27
oiaohmThe debian developer disabled the random number generator at gcc level.  DaemonFCFeb 15 13:27
oiaohmYes it speed up a stack of other programs.Feb 15 13:27
oiaohmhe did one program too many.Feb 15 13:27
DaemonFCOK, I take it back, he was even dumber than I thoughtFeb 15 13:27
oiaohmAs I said no code alteration.Feb 15 13:28
oiaohmBack then openssh did not even check if compliers random number generator was working.Feb 15 13:28
oiaohmYes lot has changed in openssh source code since.Feb 15 13:28
DaemonFCso basically it wouldn't have mattered on very many packages, but he ran OpenSSH through there too and that was compromisedFeb 15 13:28
DaemonFCneatFeb 15 13:28
EruaranIt's been my feeling that if Chakra enjoys success, there will be more Arch derived distros Feb 15 13:29
EruaranWhich I think would be very interestingFeb 15 13:29
DaemonFCEruaran, Slackware doesn't mess around with anything, every package is shipped as-isFeb 15 13:29
DaemonFCone of the few distributions that can be said aboutFeb 15 13:29
oiaohmgentoo also added a filter to there package to stop users doing it as well to openssh.   DaemonFCFeb 15 13:29
oiaohmDebian was the big one effected by it.  But there were a lot of others making the same mistake.  DaemonFCFeb 15 13:30
DaemonFCI can kind of understand Fedora not shipping vanilla packages since they do a meaningful amount of work and send it all upstreamFeb 15 13:30
EruaranI know a sad story about a Slackware serverFeb 15 13:30
DaemonFCso I can kind of give them a pass, but Ubuntu has no excuseFeb 15 13:30
EruaranIt had faithfully served a bookstore in a city near mine for more than a decadeFeb 15 13:31
oiaohmEven fedora altered packages the patches are sent up stream first for inspection before they make packages for end users.Feb 15 13:31
oiaohmIe if upstream completely rejects the idea fedora users don't get the alteration.Feb 15 13:31
EruaranThe ownership of the store had changed and the new owners knew nothing about this server, except that it worked and had always workedFeb 15 13:31
DaemonFCoiaohm, So you're really not getting anything in Fedora that the upstream said "Hell no!" on or hasn't even inspected?Feb 15 13:32
DaemonFC:)Feb 15 13:32
EruaranThen they decided to become part of a large bookstore franchiseFeb 15 13:32
Eruaranof course this franchise used WindowsFeb 15 13:32
DaemonFCEruaran, Borders? Barnes & Noble?Feb 15 13:32
oiaohmThere is the maybe allowance.  DaemonFC.  ie upstream looks at it and says Ok it don't look that bad.Feb 15 13:32
EruaranNot sureFeb 15 13:32
DaemonFCthey seem to be the only two national book chains leftFeb 15 13:33
EruaranA friend of mine did the job for themFeb 15 13:33
Eruaranchanging everything overFeb 15 13:33
oiaohmSo not all Fedora patches are perfectly safe.  But someone has to test the ideas.  DaemonFCFeb 15 13:33
DaemonFCReaders World went bankrupt and Walden Books got bought by BordersFeb 15 13:33
EruaranThey said it wasn't something they had any say in if they wanted to be part of this franchiseFeb 15 13:33
DaemonFCMy favorite bookstore is over 70 miles from here though, I miss going there when I lived closer to itFeb 15 13:33
DaemonFCHalf Price BooksFeb 15 13:33
EruaranMy friend simply said to them, "if it aint broke, don't fix it"Feb 15 13:33
oiaohmMost distributions have good releations with upstream.Feb 15 13:34
oiaohmDebian always has had one of the poorer releations with upstream.Feb 15 13:34
DaemonFCEruaran, You could find almost anything in there, all were half off the cover price, and a number of thigns were out of printFeb 15 13:34
oiaohmDue to there dermination to keep on patching old verisons over and over agian.Feb 15 13:34
DaemonFCthey also carry CDs, records, softwareFeb 15 13:34
DaemonFCit's awesome :)Feb 15 13:34
oiaohmUbuntu takes Debian problem to a complete new level.Feb 15 13:35
DaemonFCI used to go to Half Price Books more often, but these days it's just too far away and I'd never save enough to be worth the gasFeb 15 13:35
DaemonFCplus I can find most of that onlineFeb 15 13:35
DaemonFCEruaran, I think it was Borders that my grandmother was freaking out about when she went in there with us one day like 15 years agoFeb 15 13:37
DaemonFCshe saw that they had books on religion that were other than ChristianFeb 15 13:37
DaemonFCas well as a gay and lesbian sectionFeb 15 13:37
DaemonFCand I wasn't even in those sections and she still let me have it all the way home about spending my money in "such a place"Feb 15 13:37
DaemonFC:PFeb 15 13:37
DaemonFCFree Speech to her church is kind of like Free Speech, but only for her churchFeb 15 13:39
DaemonFCthey'd like nothing more than to have a bonfire and throw books on itFeb 15 13:39
DaemonFCany sufficiently fascist regime wants to salt the Earth of other ideas than their ownFeb 15 13:39
EruaranI tried out Symphony 3 beta 2 todayFeb 15 13:40
oiaohmHow was it.Feb 15 13:40
DaemonFCI don't really find it all that odd that bookstores are going bankrupt with an explosion of anti-intellectualismFeb 15 13:40
EruaranI quite liked itFeb 15 13:40
oiaohmI have been trying the OOo4kids for kicks.Feb 15 13:41
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_OSFeb 15 13:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Symphony OS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 27.4 KBFeb 15 13:41
oiaohmOk not full featured but it is very usable.Feb 15 13:41
DaemonFCthat one?Feb 15 13:41
EruaranBut it did leave me wishing they'd open source Notes and include thatFeb 15 13:41
DaemonFCoiaohm, I don't think a kid would know what to do with most of that crapFeb 15 13:42
DaemonFCmost adults don't need that kind of functionalityFeb 15 13:42
DaemonFC:DFeb 15 13:42
oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Lotus_Symphony  << I was thinking this oneFeb 15 13:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: IBM Lotus Symphony - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 64.95 KBFeb 15 13:42
DaemonFCmost adults are only confused more every time a feature is addedFeb 15 13:42
oiaohmExactly what I am finding OOo4Kids has most of the functions I need.Feb 15 13:42
oiaohmOk other than when I want to work with really complex docs.Feb 15 13:43
EruaranLotus Symphony already has that UI overhaul that OOo needsFeb 15 13:43
EruaranAnd a nice tabbed interfaceFeb 15 13:43
DaemonFCI hate a program that's bloated with all kinds of features I'll never useFeb 15 13:44
DaemonFCsettings that are there and don't really change much but clutter the placeFeb 15 13:45
EruaranIf IBM had the intestinal fortitude to open source Lotus Notes and provide a complete integrated package with that nice tabbed interface... it has the potential to be hugeFeb 15 13:45
DaemonFCit's one reason I really like GNOME's Human Interface GuidelinesFeb 15 13:45
EruaranSymphony doesn't look cluttered, its quite easy on the eyeFeb 15 13:45
DaemonFCmenus should be intuitive, extraneous buttons shouldn't be thereFeb 15 13:45
DaemonFCthe program should do what it says it will do and not expand any furtherFeb 15 13:46
DaemonFCThe most comical example I can give is Nero Suite on WindowsFeb 15 13:46
EruaranarghFeb 15 13:46
DaemonFCit started out being a nifty CD/DVD burner and became 4 GB of crap totally unrelated to disc burningFeb 15 13:47
EruaranyesFeb 15 13:47
EruaranI can't stand NeroFeb 15 13:47
DaemonFCand I can even understand AAC encoders and being able to rip and tag audio filesFeb 15 13:47
DaemonFCThat can be expected in a disc burning appFeb 15 13:47
DaemonFCthen it expanded to the point it now has a full image editing program comparable to Photo Paint or somethingFeb 15 13:48
DaemonFCand movie editing softwareFeb 15 13:48
oiaohmEvery tried the nero light version.Feb 15 13:48
DaemonFCand a plug-in to shove into all your internet browsers for "Nero Search"Feb 15 13:48
oiaohmIt cannot even burn audio cd's  DaemonFCFeb 15 13:49
oiaohmAll it can burn is data disks.Feb 15 13:49
DaemonFCoiaohm, Like I said, Nero is the most grotesque example I can give you about a program expanding in all directions and doing nothing wellFeb 15 13:49
DaemonFCAt least everything in OOo, bloated as it may be, is somehow related to office suite functionsFeb 15 13:50
DaemonFCdisc burners used to come with Nero Burning ROM just because Windows had no disc burning ability at allFeb 15 13:51
oiaohmOOo is not that bloated.Feb 15 13:52
oiaohmCompared to KOffice and MS OfficeFeb 15 13:52
oiaohmMS Office installing a search engine in back ground slowign the system down is really ncie.Feb 15 13:52
EruaranI like that KOffice has tools down the right side of the UI, this makes more sense to me on wide screen monitors... but their implementation is too busy and complicated looking... Lotus Symphony has adopted the same kind of thing but they have done it better, its simpler and cleaner.Feb 15 13:55
oiaohmReally between KOffice Lotus and OpenOffice we have all the office suit competition we need.Feb 15 13:57
EruaranAnd then there's online stuffFeb 15 13:58
Eruaran:pFeb 15 13:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Register and The Guardian sing #Microsoft ’s tune and turn more hostile towards #Google http://ur1.ca/me7vFeb 15 14:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates Was Right About ‘Piracy’ Being a #Microsoft Friend and #GNU #Linux Foe http://ur1.ca/mebp #spinFeb 15 14:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bill Gates Was Right About Piracy Being a Microsoft Friend and GNU/Linux Foe | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 91.64 KBFeb 15 14:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @uupc Season 3 Episode 1 records 2nite!Nearly 2 months since last episode.Did we miss anything?Any news or events we should know about?Feb 15 14:54
DaemonFCMicrosoft Limited Public License (Ms-LPL) - This license is non-free because of section 3(F), which requires that any modified software you make from the original code must run on Windows.Feb 15 14:59
DaemonFClolFeb 15 14:59
schestowitzIt's a "religious" licenceFeb 15 15:01
oiaohmIs that the one putting Linux code in would be questinable due to how the licence is writen.Feb 15 15:05
oiaohmEven in a non used section when building for windows.Feb 15 15:05
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schestowitzhttp://colin.guthr.ie/2010/02/this-is-the-route-to-hell/Feb 15 15:08
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schestowitzMeh.Feb 15 15:09
schestowitzEruaran: One of the biggest bashers of KDE4 likes it now: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1278Feb 15 15:13
schestowitz:-)Feb 15 15:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: TechRepublic Blogs: For IT professionals, by IT professionals .::. Size~: 78.93 KBFeb 15 15:13
schestowitz"But with KDE 4 finally reaching a point where it is once again one of the most solid desktops available, the innovation it forces will make the Linux desktops a temptation many simply can not pass up."Feb 15 15:13
schestowitzAnd he's not even using 4.4Feb 15 15:13
schestowitzMore from him here: http://www.ghacks.net/2010/02/14/upgrading-to-kde-4-3-5-and-should-you/Feb 15 15:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Upgrading to KDE 4.3.5 (and should you?) .::. Size~: 32.03 KBFeb 15 15:14
EruaranHe's a little out of dateFeb 15 15:15
schestowitzI knowFeb 15 15:21
schestowitzhe mentioned 4.4 in the second oneFeb 15 15:21
schestowitzAnyway, those who attacked kde4 are now cool with itFeb 15 15:21
schestowitzSJVN tooFeb 15 15:21
schestowitzThus the significanceFeb 15 15:22
schestowitzThey used to give it a lot of bad publicity, Carla still doesFeb 15 15:22
schestowitzThe graphics stack is opening up too: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk4MQFeb 15 15:22
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schestowitzkde plasma devs used to complain about nvidia's binary lumpsFeb 15 15:23
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk4MgwFeb 15 15:26
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schestowitzWhoa. big page: http://boycottnovell.com/category/news-roundup/Feb 15 15:26
phIRCe-BNcTitle: News Roundup | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 661.79 KBFeb 15 15:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Perhaps mailing lists (+forums?..) attract those who have a time budget and/or psychological addiction to shouting down others. #usenet #ircFeb 15 15:26
schestowitzhttp://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/36820-im-not-driven-by-microsoft-hatred-shuttleworthFeb 15 15:28
schestowitz"I'm not driven by Microsoft hatred: Shuttleworth"Feb 15 15:29
schestowitzWe're all driven by the wish for Linux to succeed. If Microsoft gets SCO to sue us, what should we do about MSFT?Feb 15 15:29
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schestowitz"Shouldn't we leave the [Microsoft] elephant alone and stop poking it with sticks? Well, the problem is they aren't going to leave us alone." -Jeremy Allison, LCA 2010Feb 15 15:29
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: http://www.atlargely.com/atlargely/2010/02/racist-antiabortion-group-billboard-black-children-are-an-endangered-species.htmlFeb 15 15:30
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schestowitzAnd he's actually working with Microsoft on samba docsFeb 15 15:30
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: good morningFeb 15 15:30
schestowitzOh hai.Feb 15 15:30
schestowitzDaemonFC stayed up all night thanks to rage, rage, rageFeb 15 15:30
FurnaceBoyI bet.Feb 15 15:30
schestowitzIf you bring these issues up, he'lll utter offensive things that appear in BN logsFeb 15 15:30
FurnaceBoyhe seems to have a lot of time on his handsFeb 15 15:31
schestowitzKeep him off those topics if possibleFeb 15 15:31
DaemonFChilarious billboardFeb 15 15:32
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] The American dream...is actually a nightmare http://bit.ly/aAMFolFeb 15 15:32
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DaemonFCI would think the far right would offer to pay for black women getting abortionsFeb 15 15:32
DaemonFCplanned parenthood alone makes $800 every time a woman walks in there and has her baby killedFeb 15 15:33
schestowitz*lOL* http://www.srslabs.com/Feb 15 15:33
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DaemonFCit's why planned parenthood is NOT emphasizing condoms, the pill, etc.Feb 15 15:33
schestowitzhttp://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/srs-labs-first-audio-company-to-join-limo-foundation-84367332.htmlFeb 15 15:33
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schestowitzTheir site is messed upFeb 15 15:34
DaemonFCabortion is a for-profit industry, and business is booming :)Feb 15 15:34
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: see what you did? :-)Feb 15 15:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he's always like thisFeb 15 15:34
schestowitzLater I get e-mails complaining that the channel had gone offensiveFeb 15 15:35
DaemonFCabortion is another way to exploit the poor people, the uneducated, and the congenitally stupidFeb 15 15:35
FurnaceBoyjust declare the topic off limitsFeb 15 15:35
DaemonFCit's part of the same "machine" that Walmart is a cog inFeb 15 15:35
FurnaceBoyof course i regret asking him the question, i had no idea that it would lead to genetic theories of crimeFeb 15 15:36
FurnaceBoywell, i had some idea, i guessFeb 15 15:36
FurnaceBoyhaving heard it from other yanksFeb 15 15:36
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, It's legal for three reasons, it makes a lot of money, it disproportionately targets poor people and black, and the UN likes itFeb 15 15:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: why is microsoft legal? oh wait, they're not...Feb 15 15:37
DaemonFCMicrosoft is legal because it makes a lot of money, it ran out all the competition, and it's the only thing out there on sub-$1,000 computers that most people are going to sit down and useFeb 15 15:38
sebsebsebNow this is a great link, check out the  distro popularity lists for each year people http://www.junauza.com/2010/02/best-linux-distributions-of-decade-2000.htmlFeb 15 15:38
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DaemonFCthe legal system rewards the very most unethical people and organizationsFeb 15 15:38
DaemonFCit's kind of a trendFeb 15 15:38
schestowitzhttp://www.stallman.org/AustraliaNetCensorshipResponse.html http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#14%20February%202010%20%28Response%20to%20Australian%20Net%20Censorship%29 "I received an anonymous email announcing denial-of-service attacks against Australian government sites as a response to censorship there."Feb 15 15:39
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schestowitzDaemonFC: same as  alwaysFeb 15 15:39
DaemonFCmoney follows unethical behavior, so yeahFeb 15 15:39
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: actually windows is a very poor fit to small machines, afaikFeb 15 15:39
schestowitzAmazing Atheist has a good video on he subjectFeb 15 15:39
schestowitzDid I show it to you?Feb 15 15:39
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: DaemonFC is a former MS MVPFeb 15 15:39
DaemonFCwherever you see money and unethical behavior, expect the law will generally side with themFeb 15 15:39
schestowitzHe's reforming, I hopeFeb 15 15:39
DaemonFCWalmart, Microsoft, the abortion industryFeb 15 15:40
DaemonFC:)Feb 15 15:40
DaemonFCgood examplesFeb 15 15:40
DaemonFChealth insurance, drug companiesFeb 15 15:40
DaemonFCthe MAFIAA organizationsFeb 15 15:41
DaemonFCpoliticians turning a blind eye to China's illegal dumpingFeb 15 15:41
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: did you really stay up all night ranting?Feb 15 15:41
DaemonFCnoFeb 15 15:41
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ah, that explains itFeb 15 15:41
DaemonFCbrbFeb 15 15:42
schestowitzLook how many comments they had to remove: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/11/we-should-beg-haitis-forgiveness Wow.Feb 15 15:42
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schestowitzNaomi defends haitiFeb 15 15:42
schestowitzMaybe cursed for it by the racists and such....Feb 15 15:43
schestowitzWhen the comments vanish I only get more curious about their contents.... that's why I hate sites that delete commentsFeb 15 15:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: predictableFeb 15 15:43
schestowitzGroklaw once deleted Linus' comment/sFeb 15 15:43
FurnaceBoythey have a strict policyFeb 15 15:43
FurnaceBoyi've had mine deletedFeb 15 15:44
FurnaceBoy:)Feb 15 15:44
schestowitzWhat did you say?Feb 15 15:44
schestowitzAnything inflammatory/curse words?Feb 15 15:44
FurnaceBoyactually, usually when they were a response to a deleted comment.Feb 15 15:44
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, I'd maybe sympathize with the Planned Parenthood types if the staff were volunteers who just thought that cutting up baabies, sucking them up into a vacuum, and throwing them in the trash was a good, kind, ethical thing to do, to the very bottom of their heartFeb 15 15:44
FurnaceBoyit only happened once or twice, i don't remember particulars.Feb 15 15:44
DaemonFCbut we don't live in liberal pixie world where that is the caseFeb 15 15:44
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/feb/12/hunger-strike-immigration-centreFeb 15 15:45
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FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I wasn't opening the topic then or now. Did you take into account what schestowitz just said above?Feb 15 15:45
DaemonFCinstead they make very high salaries to overrule their conscience day by dayFeb 15 15:45
DaemonFCand are mass murderersFeb 15 15:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: your anti- view point is noted, you can shut up nowFeb 15 15:45
schestowitzHe can'tFeb 15 15:45
schestowitzHperactivityFeb 15 15:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you can relax, the Christian Taliban have your backFeb 15 15:45
schestowitzNeeds RitalinFeb 15 15:45
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, How do you make a case in favor of slicing up babies and sucking them into a vacuum and throwing them in a trash container?Feb 15 15:46
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8877Feb 15 15:46
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DaemonFCHow do you morally justify that?Feb 15 15:46
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: ask that on your blogFeb 15 15:46
schestowitzDaemonFC: you're a GOP droneFeb 15 15:47
schestowitzhttp://washingtonindependent.com/75758/boehner-says-prolonged-debate-slowed-economic-recovery-but-leaves-out-that-gop-was-stallingFeb 15 15:47
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DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Go do it yourself, see if you can stomach doing it yourself. If you're any kind of an ethical person you wouldn't be able to bring yourself to do it.Feb 15 15:47
schestowitzWhat about stem cell research?Feb 15 15:47
schestowitzThose 150 cells that make up a "baby"?Feb 15 15:47
schestowitzIs that unethical too?Feb 15 15:48
schestowitzA fly's brain has 1000 times the number of cellsFeb 15 15:48
schestowitz150,000Feb 15 15:48
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy is ludicrous in telling me I'm evil for owning a gun and then advocating for baby murdering industriesFeb 15 15:48
schestowitzShould we ban eating?Feb 15 15:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: rubbishFeb 15 15:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I never said you were evilFeb 15 15:48
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FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: *my* opinions aren't being discussed. Feb 15 15:48
schestowitzYou kill something every time you eat and even when you breatheFeb 15 15:48
schestowitz"Evil" is a stupid wordFeb 15 15:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: we just get yours, 24/7, combined with a rich dose of vivid fantasy.Feb 15 15:48
schestowitzUnless used comicallyFeb 15 15:49
DaemonFCyou can either value human life, or not value human lifeFeb 15 15:49
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: tell it to the judgeFeb 15 15:49
DaemonFCthere really can't be an exception to thatFeb 15 15:49
schestowitzDaemonFC: oh yeah?Feb 15 15:49
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: nobody opened this topic. you're a one team debating match.Feb 15 15:49
schestowitzDoes the US respect Iraqi life?Feb 15 15:49
schestowitzHow about the life of Mexicans?Feb 15 15:49
DaemonFCI'm not giving those ordersFeb 15 15:50
FurnaceBoyHAHAHAHFeb 15 15:50
DaemonFCyou're trying to lead me into a trapFeb 15 15:50
schestowitzDaemonFC: should we kill people who 'kill' sperm too?Feb 15 15:50
DaemonFCof course notFeb 15 15:50
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: only white, Anglo-saxon, tax-paying spermFeb 15 15:50
schestowitzHey, maybe masturbation should be banned as well as wet dreams and each time there's intercourse we'll force the birth of millions of babies from one wombFeb 15 15:50
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, minorities and the poor are the ones getting the most abortionsFeb 15 15:51
DaemonFCso it is an institution preying on themFeb 15 15:51
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: or a woman refuses intercourseFeb 15 15:51
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that's on the map of the right wingFeb 15 15:51
DaemonFCthat's sillyFeb 15 15:51
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's a logical small progression from your own extreme viewsFeb 15 15:52
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: well, Virgin Mary didFeb 15 15:52
DaemonFCyou're discussing a rear blinker coverFeb 15 15:52
DaemonFCand I'm talking a bout a carFeb 15 15:52
FurnaceBoyrear blinker cover? is that a euphemismFeb 15 15:52
DaemonFCkind ofFeb 15 15:52
DaemonFCyou're talking about pieces that haven't been assembled to form anything reallyFeb 15 15:52
FurnaceBoyremember, sodomy and fellatio don't go uh down well with your christian taliban colleagues eitherFeb 15 15:52
schestowitzI found it amusing that when some shark laying eggs without 'pollination' came to the media, the US 'media' was talking about virgin Mary and stuffFeb 15 15:52
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, fuck emFeb 15 15:53
schestowitzWho?Feb 15 15:53
DaemonFCthe ChristiansFeb 15 15:53
schestowitzWomen?Feb 15 15:53
DaemonFCyou don't have to be a Christian to oppose killing peopleFeb 15 15:54
schestowitzChristian women? Ah, then it's OKFeb 15 15:54
FurnaceBoyapparently it helps if you're notFeb 15 15:54
schestowitzNot sureFeb 15 15:54
schestowitzBut I think Buddhism is more pacifistFeb 15 15:54
DaemonFCthey're the arrogant assholes who think only they have ethical standards and only theirs are rightFeb 15 15:54
schestowitzIt's even pacifist wrt animalsFeb 15 15:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: quite soFeb 15 15:54
DaemonFCcoincidentally, Muslims and Jews think the same thingsFeb 15 15:55
schestowitzthe bushmen in Africa are very tolerant of their surrounding faunaFeb 15 15:55
schestowitzSame was was natives (first people)Feb 15 15:55
schestowitzBefore they (the humans) were slughtered by EuropeanFeb 15 15:55
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: what a feast of generalisations you have laid out for usFeb 15 15:55
schestowitzThe native "indians" treated their animals better than the English treated themFeb 15 15:55
schestowitzOr Spanish/Portuguese, depends whereFeb 15 15:56
schestowitzDaemonFC: yesFeb 15 15:56
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: French, Dutch, etc, etcFeb 15 15:56
schestowitzPeople invoke imaginary entities to call for their prejudices to make genocidesFeb 15 15:56
schestowitzThat's why it's so unhealthyFeb 15 15:57
schestowitzWe need to hug scienceFeb 15 15:57
schestowitzNot sculptures and stuffFeb 15 15:57
schestowitzActually, scruptures forbigs cherishing all objects and stuff... except the ONE 'true' GodFeb 15 15:57
schestowitzIt's kind of hypocritical, isn't it?Feb 15 15:57
schestowitzDon't adore anyone, EXCEPT _this dude_Feb 15 15:58
FurnaceBoyexceptionalismFeb 15 15:58
schestowitzAnd kill the infidels/"evil"/Satan/gentileFeb 15 15:58
schestowitzThis was used to justify torture tooFeb 15 15:58
schestowitzThe interpretation of early clergy Feb 15 15:58
schestowitzWhich said they should be tortured, not just killedFeb 15 15:59
schestowitzTHen people who dared to just ask questions about the stars in the sky could be prosecutedFeb 15 15:59
schestowitzIt last many hundreds of years, tens of generations of not hundredsFeb 15 15:59
schestowitzWe humans can't comprehend these time scalesFeb 15 15:59
schestowitzWe each have about a billion ancenstors, I reckonFeb 15 16:00
schestowitzAll of whom lived beyong puberty, without exceptionFeb 15 16:00
FurnaceBoyand we've betrayed them allFeb 15 16:00
schestowitzIt's fascinating just how much our genes overlap because it's exponentialFeb 15 16:00
schestowitzAnd we are likely yo be actually links to the missing link/sFeb 15 16:00
schestowitzIOW, Muslims and Indians are very much the same... genetically... and sharing the very same ancesorsFeb 15 16:01
schestowitzWe're the cousins of all monkeys...Feb 15 16:01
schestowitzAnd the cousins of all other human beingsFeb 15 16:01
schestowitzDescendants or fishFeb 15 16:01
schestowitzBut not we kill their familiesFeb 15 16:02
schestowitzFishingFeb 15 16:02
schestowitzWiping out our 'grandparents' so to speakFeb 15 16:02
schestowitzGoing back hundreds of millions of years to the grand-grand-*-parents of today's fish that roam the oceanFeb 15 16:02
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8885Feb 15 16:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: San Francisco's Toxic Sludge - It's Good for You! | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 33.77 KBFeb 15 16:03
schestowitzWe defend how we kill their habitatFeb 15 16:03
schestowitzWhich we happen to depend on ... our kids willFeb 15 16:03
schestowitzWe are programmed genetially for short-term gratificationFeb 15 16:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Unrest in Haiti: http://ur1.ca/mehf Good article here: http://ur1.ca/mehgFeb 15 16:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Protesters clash with police following rain in Haiti - February 11, 2010 .::. Size~: 19.9 KBFeb 15 16:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Forgiveness for Haiti? We should be begging theirs | Naomi Klein |Comment is free |The Guardian .::. Size~: 187.17 KBFeb 15 16:05
schestowitzIntel and Nokia merge software to create MeeGo http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8516368.stmFeb 15 16:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 87.53 KBFeb 15 16:06
schestowitzAny Linux in that? It doesn't sauFeb 15 16:08
schestowitz*sayFeb 15 16:08
schestowitzAh!! http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/?p=2506Feb 15 16:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MWC 2010: Nokia and Intel announce MeeGo Linux-based device platform | The Mobile Gadgeteer | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 84.5 KBFeb 15 16:08
schestowitzLinuxFeb 15 16:08
schestowitzhttp://www.itp.net/579241-iran-syria-and-sourceforgenetFeb 15 16:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Iran, Syria and SourceForge.net - Web - News & Features - ITP.net .::. Size~: 41.22 KBFeb 15 16:09
schestowitzThe US 'helps' them censor FOSSFeb 15 16:09
FurnaceBoyyou should read the 'sanction list' sometime. many companies and individuals are also on it.Feb 15 16:11
FurnaceBoy"However, in addition to participating in the open source community, we also live in the real world, and are governed by the laws of the country in which we are located. Our need to follow those laws supersedes any wishes we might have to make our community as inclusive as possible."Feb 15 16:12
schestowitzAh, so this is where he goes to (away from Murdoch): http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/7230936/MySpace-hit-by-more-bad-news-as-chief-executive-signs-on-for-Facebook.htmlFeb 15 16:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MySpace hit by more bad news as chief executive signs on for Facebook  - Telegraph .::. Size~: 51.21 KBFeb 15 16:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: good sleuthingFeb 15 16:12
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: the point is, they can't prevent accessFeb 15 16:12
schestowitzIt's like saying, don't like Osama listen to Spice GirlsFeb 15 16:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: from one empire of horror to the nextFeb 15 16:12
schestowitzHe'll find a way around the bansFeb 15 16:13
schestowitzThere's no point trying to prevent accessFeb 15 16:13
schestowitz"Everybody is connected to everybody else, all data that can be shared will be shared will be shared: get used to it." - Eben MoglenFeb 15 16:13
FurnaceBoy"It’s ironic that the United States (the same country that advocated that Twitter should not consider maintaining its site during the Iranian uprisings in 2009) would put laws in place that would prevent the likes of the same Iranians from downloading Notepad++ or Pidgin. "Feb 15 16:13
schestowitzI envision Facebook as troubleFeb 15 16:14
schestowitzLess so than GoogleFeb 15 16:14
schestowitzA couple of teens running some sites and building DB to give over to DumbyaFeb 15 16:14
schestowitzit's always a question of controlFeb 15 16:15
schestowitzThe thing is, the US controls twitterFeb 15 16:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Eleven Countries to Watch -- and Learn From on #ICTs in #Education | ( #Kerala at number 3) http://shar.es/m1b5O #ICT@SchoolsFeb 15 16:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: redirect .::. Size~: 0.28 KBFeb 15 16:16
schestowitzFOSS for Iran means that Iran is in control of the softwareFeb 15 16:16
DaemonFCNote to self: Explain the concept of a logical fallacy, very carefully, to FurnaceBoy, being careful to avoid big words that he won't understandFeb 15 16:16
DaemonFCB-)Feb 15 16:16
schestowitzWow. Kerala has the same population as Canada pretty muchFeb 15 16:17
schestowitzhttp://blogs.worldbank.org/edutech/countries-to-watch-and-learn-fromFeb 15 16:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ICT & Education: Eleven Countries to Watch -- and Learn From | A World Bank Blog on ICT use in Education .::. Size~: 42.17 KBFeb 15 16:17
Diablo-D3schestowitz: foss for iran means that iran is rather fuckedFeb 15 16:17
Diablo-D3tor is foss, and twitter uses a foss stackFeb 15 16:17
DaemonFCschestowitz, Do you think I could get him to understand "Argumentum ad Hominem" while I'm at it?Feb 15 16:17
DaemonFCIf he can't do better with those than my conservative Christian grandmother, I don't know how he expects to insult meFeb 15 16:19
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's not my objective to insult you, foo'Feb 15 16:22
DaemonFChttp://religionandpolitics.ytmnd.com/Feb 15 16:23
DaemonFCheheFeb 15 16:23
schestowitzThis one smells bad: Give Openly: XIPWIRE Donates Text Pledging Service to Open Source Community < http://www.linuxpr.com/releases/11883.html > "Text pledging represents an incredible opportunity for organizations to quickly and easily solicit donations for their respective causes. XIPWIRE is waiving all fees allowing 100% of the donations to go directly to the Open Source Community."Feb 15 16:24
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Accusing someone of being a Republican, a "Christian Taliban" because they don't believe in a right to murder defenseless children is really no better than my grandmother putting forth the argument that EVERYONE KNOWS that *ALL* gay people are also child molestersFeb 15 16:24
schestowitzSo they probably have people send some SMSs, pay some mediator and some potion will go to "oss", whetever that isFeb 15 16:24
schestowitztelemarketers...Feb 15 16:24
DaemonFCI'm pretty sure you can also believe in the second amendment right to bear arms without being a "Christian Taliban"Feb 15 16:25
schestowitzHeheFeb 15 16:25
schestowitzPoor youFeb 15 16:25
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I never made any such accusationFeb 15 16:25
schestowitzYou needs ta have ya gun!Feb 15 16:25
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: read backFeb 15 16:25
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's not "all about you"Feb 15 16:25
FurnaceBoyI'm not interested in you per se. I'm interested in issues. big differenceFeb 15 16:26
DaemonFCNo, I'm going to single out some horrid indefensible policy of the Canadian central government and blame youFeb 15 16:26
FurnaceBoythat's why I encourage you to play down the Penthouse Forum fantasies here, they're not interesting.Feb 15 16:26
DaemonFCafter all, you're a Canadian and I assume you can voteFeb 15 16:26
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I never blamed you. You're imagining things.Feb 15 16:26
DaemonFCthat has to be my favorite fallacy of all time "You can vote, so don't bitch about what the government does, you're to blame for it"Feb 15 16:28
FurnaceBoydid I say that?Feb 15 16:28
FurnaceBoyI don't think so.Feb 15 16:28
DaemonFCoh, no, you guys caught me, I ordered the invasion of IraqFeb 15 16:29
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: hello?Feb 15 16:29
DaemonFCpersonallyFeb 15 16:29
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: nobody said you did?Feb 15 16:29
DaemonFCdon't stopFeb 15 16:29
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: are you going to keep going with this persecution bullshit?Feb 15 16:29
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Unlike some people, I'd rather be re-united with my tax dollars some day when I turn 67 Feb 15 16:30
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: relevance to what?Feb 15 16:30
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: who but you is going to pay for global perpetual war?Feb 15 16:31
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, I guess the point is, we're paying for it but it was more like an armed robberyFeb 15 16:31
FurnaceBoyI agree Feb 15 16:31
FurnaceBoyon that note,... i really should workFeb 15 16:31
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Mark Shuttleworth is kind of a politicianFeb 15 16:33
DaemonFCdoesn't pay to stir up shit for no reasonFeb 15 16:33
DaemonFCif I said "OMG!!! I love Microsoft! I want their babies!!!" I would be frightened.Feb 15 16:34
DaemonFCthat's Miguel de IcazaFeb 15 16:34
DaemonFCShuttleworth hasn't ruled out bringing KDE into the forefront if GNOME goes some place they don't likeFeb 15 16:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] On the way 2 thrissur for 5th @vibgyorfilm festivalFeb 15 16:36
schestowitzMac Asay is making himself look foolish by repeatedly linking to s/w patent lobbyist  Brian Prentice.http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10450665-16.htmlFeb 15 16:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Forrester misunderstands its 'intellectual property' | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 92.52 KBFeb 15 16:37
schestowitzDaemonFC: yesFeb 15 16:37
schestowitzKDE4 is goodFeb 15 16:37
schestowitzIts former haters like it nowFeb 15 16:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @nixxin: RT @offstumped: Historic SC judgment on cycle rickshaws in Dehi: removes cap, owner-plier restriction http://bit.ly/9EtaEjFeb 15 16:37
schestowitzhttp://www.ghacks.net/2010/02/14/upgrading-to-kde-4-3-5-and-should-you/ http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1278Feb 15 16:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Upgrading to KDE 4.3.5 (and should you?) .::. Size~: 32.03 KBFeb 15 16:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: TechRepublic Blogs: For IT professionals, by IT professionals .::. Size~: 78.36 KBFeb 15 16:38
schestowitzhttp://www.businessreviewonline.com/blog/archives/2010/02/will-the-govern.htmlFeb 15 16:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Jason Stamper's Blog .::. Size~: 20.58 KBFeb 15 16:38
schestowitzHeh. Good photo of Brown being sillyFeb 15 16:38
DaemonFCI'd like to know why every enterprise distribution does GNOMEFeb 15 16:39
DaemonFCRHEL goes so long between versions that they could have easily standardized on KDE 3.5.x and picked back up around 4.6 or laterFeb 15 16:39
schestowitzCan anyone read this and say what s/he thinks? http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20100210006108&newsLang=enFeb 15 16:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open Giving: XIPWIRE Donates Text Pledging Service to Open Source Community | Business Wire .::. Size~: 61.09 KBFeb 15 16:40
schestowitzDaemonFC: rhel uses gtk front endsFeb 15 16:41
schestowitzmysql tooFeb 15 16:41
schestowitzxen..Feb 15 16:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @pramode_ce: "we r witnessing the end of M$'s reign as king of computing –not with a bang, but a whimper. Of course" http://bit.ly/bL5xP2Feb 15 16:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Something Happened: Where's Microsoft? - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 82.5 KBFeb 15 16:42
DaemonFCthat Dick Brass thing was just weirdFeb 15 16:48
DaemonFClike he couldn't decide to criticize them or snuggle up to themFeb 15 16:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Thanks! , it is an annual meeting & celebrat point now RT @hapeeg: have fun! RT @anivar: On the way 2 thrissur for 5th @vibgyorfilm festivalFeb 15 16:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Animals missed Heather. Now she's back, they are all sitting with her. Well, on her. Four footed love...Feb 15 16:49
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Iceland to become a model of freedom of communication http://bit.ly/daNiw0Feb 15 16:52
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DaemonFCschestowitz, One of the cool things about Ubuntu, probably THE coolest, is that it's really easy to get updated software and stay within the APT system at all timesFeb 15 16:56
schestowitzhttp://www.geeky-gadgets.com/openoffice-reports-300-million-downloads-11-02-2010/Feb 15 16:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Openoffice Reports 300 Million downloads | Geeky Gadgets .::. Size~: 25.14 KBFeb 15 16:56
schestowitzDaemonFC: Debian tooFeb 15 16:56
DaemonFCUbuntu doesn't ship with Firefox 3.6, but there's a PPA for it, it doesn't ship with the latest VLC, but there's a PPAFeb 15 16:57
DaemonFCsame for about anythingFeb 15 16:57
schestowitzthunderbirdFeb 15 16:57
DaemonFCnothing I hate worse than getting stuck with old versions of software while any Windows user can double click on something and have it, and here's Mozilla passing out one 32-bit x86 Firefox tarball without all the integration that the distro has done with theirsFeb 15 16:58
Aondoi actually preffer that tarbar to the ppa, with firefoxFeb 15 16:59
AondotarballFeb 15 16:59
DaemonFCuntil they started doing the Mozilla PPA, you were trapped a version behind until the next release of UbuntuFeb 15 16:59
DaemonFCI have PPAs set up for just about any software I actually care aboutFeb 15 17:00
DaemonFCbugs get fixed, features get added, and I don't want to wait for everything to get updated 4-5 months from now :)Feb 15 17:00
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DaemonFChmmmm, it livesFeb 15 17:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] This is really a gem, Must read for Girls :D RT @sup3rkiddo: to d guys here, raise hands if you agree with this gem http://bash.org/?414593Feb 15 17:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: QDB: Quote #414593 .::. Size~: 4.51 KBFeb 15 17:02
DaemonFCthe MP3-pushing, Yahoo pimping, Mono apologizing jono!Feb 15 17:02
DaemonFCwelcomeFeb 15 17:02
jonoDaemonFC, woo!Feb 15 17:02
DaemonFCjono, Before I have to deploy any.....shall we say....unpleasant interrogation methods...Feb 15 17:03
DaemonFCor bust out the sodium amytal...Feb 15 17:04
DaemonFC:DFeb 15 17:04
DaemonFCThis new music store that's comingFeb 15 17:04
DaemonFCWhat format are the files going to be in?Feb 15 17:04
jonoDaemonFC, MP3Feb 15 17:05
DaemonFCickFeb 15 17:05
jonoDaemonFC, if you can find a music store that provides a comprehensive catalogue in Ogg, we would love to know :)Feb 15 17:06
DaemonFCand how does Ubuntu plan to support these files in the 20 year old MP3 format seeing as how they're still deliciously patent-encrusted?Feb 15 17:06
jonobut as far as we know, there is not oneFeb 15 17:06
DaemonFCwill you be shipping the Fluendo MP3 decoder as part of the system?Feb 15 17:07
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #TED isn't really worth keeping in my RSS reader anymore http://ur1.ca/mem9Feb 15 17:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   The TED v. Sarah Silverman Fight Turns Really Retarded  .::. Size~: 91.63 KBFeb 15 17:07
jonoDaemonFC, I have no idea tbhFeb 15 17:07
DaemonFCand if so, will this make the CDs illegal to redistribute in the United States?Feb 15 17:07
jonoI don't work on the music storeFeb 15 17:07
MinceR:DFeb 15 17:08
DaemonFCI was one of the ones disgusted when Fedora used to pop up and tell you to go buy codecs from FluendoFeb 15 17:08
DaemonFCthey got rid of that since then Feb 15 17:09
MinceRhow?Feb 15 17:09
jonoDaemonFC, no, we are always ensuring that re-distribution can happenFeb 15 17:09
jonowe will never limit re-distributionFeb 15 17:09
DaemonFCMinceR, They had Codeina pop up and try to hustle you into paying Fluendo $30 so your media file would playFeb 15 17:09
MinceRbut how did they get rid of it?Feb 15 17:10
DaemonFCoh, now it looks and sees if you have a repository with the required codec in itFeb 15 17:10
DaemonFCif so, it grabs it'Feb 15 17:10
MinceRicFeb 15 17:10
DaemonFCadding RPM Fusion will workFeb 15 17:11
DaemonFCin fact, that's the best way to go, cause they may not be legal, but I'm not $30 lighter and the bad guys can't know I have themFeb 15 17:12
DaemonFC*grin*Feb 15 17:12
DaemonFCI do see Fluendo codec packs on torrent sites though and have to wonder why anyone would bother to do thatFeb 15 17:12
DaemonFCgstreamer ugly and bad will give you the same file format supportFeb 15 17:13
DaemonFCof course Ubuntu has it complicatedFeb 15 17:13
DaemonFCthere's bad-multiverse and ugly-multiverse tooFeb 15 17:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @rmack: RT @evgenymorozov: Google disables YouTube account of Tunisian activists - another #googlefail http://bit.ly/bunB5jFeb 15 17:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle:    Google has disabled the ability for Nawaat to upload new videos  : Nawaat .::. Size~: 93.32 KBFeb 15 17:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Heading home at speed because I'm excited to be recording another episode of @uupc tonight.Feb 15 17:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @rmack: RT @moui: RT @qaramazov: If you want Google to collect less info about you, http://googlesharing.net/ .(It's opensource too)Feb 15 17:20
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Decent article on the next loss of privacy http://ur1.ca/menkFeb 15 17:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: HP Invents a "Central Nervous System for Earth" and Joins the Smarter Planet Sweepstakes | Not Quite Conversation | Fast Company .::. Size~: 42.24 KBFeb 15 17:27
schestowitzSome people still do not understand the commons.Feb 15 17:37
schestowitz"All over the world, arguments about "free culture" and the appropriate limits to the "public domain" have begun. In Sweden the radical "Pirate party" did well in last year's elections. There's the long-established phenomenon of "open source" software and, in medical research, the "open access" movement has long insisted that state-funded research be immediately made public. In film and TV, the rhetoric of "file-sharing" has Feb 15 17:37
schestowitzlegitimised practices that are essentially piratical."Feb 15 17:37
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/feb/14/google-assault-on-copyright-robert-mccrumFeb 15 17:37
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Harry Potter and the onslaught of Google |Books |The Observer .::. Size~: 89.42 KBFeb 15 17:37
schestowitzDaemonFC: stop harrassing jonoFeb 15 17:38
schestowitzWhat is "open source pumps"? http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/243511/food-aid-1-million-poor-families-mulledFeb 15 17:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Food aid for 1 million poor families mulled | Manila Bulletin .::. Size~: 22.21 KBFeb 15 17:42
Diablo-D3something like a penis pumpFeb 15 17:47
Diablo-D3but for open sourceFeb 15 17:47
DaemonFCDo the Russians sell black market open source erection pills?Feb 15 17:48
DaemonFCB-)Feb 15 17:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nokia/Symbian to help Flash rather than Web standards http://ur1.ca/mepmFeb 15 17:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Fwd: Broke Washington state set to give MSFT $100M annual tax cut & amnesty for $1B evasion http://ur1.ca/mcou (via... http://ff.im/fYQNXFeb 15 17:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@wisteela yes #bash has arithmetic operators. Refer to the excellent manual: `info bash` or http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/Feb 15 17:55
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schestowitz> Hi Roy,Feb 15 17:56
schestowitz> Feb 15 17:56
schestowitz> I respect Andy's work in the past, but hope he as not gone over to theFeb 15 17:56
schestowitz> dark side simply because he finds that a person is 'nice'Feb 15 17:56
schestowitz> Feb 15 17:56
schestowitz> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2010/02/codeplex-foundation-picks-paula-hunter-executive-directorFeb 15 17:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: CodePlex Foundation Picks Paula Hunter as Executive Director | The Linux Foundation .::. Size~: 25.57 KBFeb 15 17:56
schestowitz> Feb 15 17:56
schestowitz> The 'nice' snake is a well-known Microsoft marketing tactic.Feb 15 17:56
schestowitz> Feb 15 17:56
schestowitz> Good catch on the astroturfing, something's quite wrong with /.Feb 15 17:56
schestowitz> Nice one -at least the whole planet hasn't swallowed the red pillFeb 15 17:57
schestowitz> "The BBC, Gates and revisionism", June 2008 .. and it's only got worse.Feb 15 17:57
schestowitz> Feb 15 17:58
schestowitz> http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/18937-the-bbc-gates-and-revisionismFeb 15 17:58
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schestowitz"The BBC obtained an interview with Gates after two years of asking, so maybe Bruce was scared to ask hard questions. But as a public broadcaster, doesn't it become all that more necessary to ensure that revisionism does not take place at the British taxpayer's cost?"Feb 15 18:01
schestowitzhttp://www.businessreviewonline.com/os/2010/02/apple-launches-its-latest-gizmo-the-eyepad.htmlFeb 15 18:03
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schestowitzMinceR: http://www.businessreviewonline.com/os/2010/01/can-the-ipad-double-as-a-phone.htmlFeb 15 18:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] wait a minute, things have devolved so far into an alternate universe that Bayh is thought "progressive"?Feb 15 18:03
MinceR  :DFeb 15 18:04
schestowitzShe got the oversized iPadFeb 15 18:04
schestowitzThey call it.......... the iPidFeb 15 18:04
schestowitziPad of speed, of course ^_^Feb 15 18:05
schestowitzThis product shows the vanity and failure of Apple anyway. Friends of mine here think it would sink APple's brand/ reputationFeb 15 18:06
schestowitzhttp://drupal.airjaldi.com/node/9#Feb 15 18:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The AirJaldi Mesh Router | AirJaldi .::. Size~: 10.92 KBFeb 15 18:06
schestowitz"Marten Mickos, Sun Microsystems Senio Vice-President and Mike Olson, Cloudera CEO delivered the Think Tank’s keynote on Monday morning, answering also few questions from Andrew Aitken, OllianceGroup founder and host of the event." http://robertogaloppini.net/2010/02/12/open-source-think-tank-2010-registrations-are-open/Feb 15 18:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Open Source Think Tank 2010: Registrations are Open! .::. Size~: 37.1 KBFeb 15 18:08
schestowitzNo Microsoft, unlike last year, IIRCFeb 15 18:08
DaemonFChttp://www.politico.com/news/stories/0210/32971.htmlFeb 15 18:10
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Evan Bayh to retire - Jonathan Martin and John Bresnahan - POLITICO.com .::. Size~: 80.19 KBFeb 15 18:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Rude emailer now plonked using Mail.app Rule. That's a first. Still have no /ignore's set on #irc & no #usenet killfile. Not really my styleFeb 15 18:10
schestowitzhttp://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/02/ripping-dvds-on-linux.htmlFeb 15 18:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Thoughts on Technology: Ripping DVDs on Linux .::. Size~: 112.26 KBFeb 15 18:11
schestowitzOnly relevant to Indiana, DaemonFCFeb 15 18:11
DaemonFCnot reallyFeb 15 18:12
DaemonFCsign of a big problem comingFeb 15 18:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] There's really no way to avoid saying it. #Adobe #Flash is a dog. Or a pig. Or whatever metaphorical animal explains cpu bloatFeb 15 18:28
DaemonFCwhite elephantFeb 15 18:29
DaemonFCCorinthian LeatherFeb 15 18:29
DaemonFCthe annoyance felt in the 80's when Crayola changed "flesh tone" to "peach" and you had to color white people a very "peach" tone that made them look funny?Feb 15 18:31
DaemonFCI always do wonder why they didn't change the black crayon to "African American"Feb 15 18:31
DaemonFCCrayola - A lefty re-education camp in every boxFeb 15 18:33
Diablo-D3pig.Feb 15 18:34
schestowitzIs there a rebuttal to this? http://www.osnews.com/story/22872/Linux_Not_Fully_Prepared_for_4096-Byte_Sector_Hard_DrivesFeb 15 18:34
Diablo-D3someone tell him pigFeb 15 18:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Not Fully Prepared for 4096-Byte Sector Hard Drives .::. Size~: 33.09 KBFeb 15 18:34
schestowitzSeems doubtfulFeb 15 18:34
Diablo-D3schestowitz: yeahFeb 15 18:34
Diablo-D3manufacturers suck for not just going straight to 64Feb 15 18:34
schestowitzOK, coolFeb 15 18:35
Diablo-D3also, its been 512 since before you were bornFeb 15 18:35
schestowitzI'd just skip that thing thenFeb 15 18:35
Diablo-D3I dont blame shit for freaking out when we finally changeFeb 15 18:35
Diablo-D3but yeah, theres no reason not to go to 64kbFeb 15 18:35
Diablo-D3linus says "well 4kb is a common memory page size"Feb 15 18:35
Diablo-D3well fuck you linusFeb 15 18:36
Diablo-D3not all of us care about your stupid little optimizationsFeb 15 18:36
schestowitz /. put it here: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/02/14/1541244/Linux-Not-Quite-Ready-For-New-4K-Sector-DrivesFeb 15 18:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Hardware Story | Linux Not Quite Ready For New 4K-Sector Drives .::. Size~: 175.56 KBFeb 15 18:36
schestowitzAnd they added a congratulatory preface to do the FUD withFeb 15 18:36
schestowitz"I like Linux, but...."Feb 15 18:36
schestowitz"Linux is doing well, but..."Feb 15 18:36
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schestowitzLinus says he doesn't write much kernel code anymoreFeb 15 18:37
schestowitztessier__: are you around?Feb 15 18:37
Diablo-D3schestowitz: he never didFeb 15 18:37
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schestowitzDupe in the register, 40 mins apart: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/15/meego_nokia_intel/ http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/02/15/intel_nokia_launch_meego/Feb 15 18:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Intel joins Nokia in Android attack • The Register .::. Size~: 21.87 KBFeb 15 18:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Nokia, Intel merge mobile Linux offerings • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 17.93 KBFeb 15 18:42
schestowitzThey rarely ever have dupes... don't know how they manage except thje editorFeb 15 18:42
schestowitzDiablo-D3: expand...?Feb 15 18:42
schestowitzLinus wrote Linux initiallyFeb 15 18:43
Diablo-D3schestowitz: look at the whole kernelFeb 15 18:43
Diablo-D3every single line of code everFeb 15 18:43
schestowitzhe didn't have a Paul Allen or Wozniak hiding in the closet while he took all the creditFeb 15 18:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Co-worker eating Target #sushi for lunch. Describes the kani as "imitation imitation crab meat"Feb 15 18:43
Diablo-D3including all the ones that arent there anymoreFeb 15 18:44
schestowitzDiablo-D3: yes, like than 1% is him, probablyFeb 15 18:44
schestowitzBut it takes management tooFeb 15 18:44
Diablo-D3yeah, 1% or lessFeb 15 18:44
schestowitzManaging what code goes in and outFeb 15 18:44
Diablo-D3historically, he hasnt done most of the maint eitherFeb 15 18:44
Diablo-D3large subsections have sub maintsFeb 15 18:44
schestowitzI reckon he deprecated most code from 0.01 releaseFeb 15 18:44
Diablo-D3and then he wrote gitFeb 15 18:44
schestowitzNot only heFeb 15 18:44
Diablo-D3git is, basically, linus.Feb 15 18:44
schestowitzIs it..?Feb 15 18:44
Diablo-D3yupFeb 15 18:44
schestowitzI thought he worked in a group on itFeb 15 18:45
Diablo-D3it does the hardest part of his jobFeb 15 18:45
schestowitzNow it's maintained by othersFeb 15 18:45
Diablo-D3merging in things other people merged in in their treesFeb 15 18:45
Diablo-D3now he just runs a handful of commandsFeb 15 18:45
Diablo-D3and bam its doneFeb 15 18:45
DaemonFCit's a hell of a lot easier to get things out of git than it is with cvsFeb 15 18:46
DaemonFCthat's about all I've noticesFeb 15 18:46
DaemonFC*noticedFeb 15 18:46
schestowitzhttp://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/02/15/getronics_job_cut/Feb 15 18:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: UK jobs go at Getronics • Channel Register .::. Size~: 16.5 KBFeb 15 18:46
DaemonFCschestowitz, Someone made Ada for .NET? (A#)Feb 15 18:46
DaemonFChehFeb 15 18:47
DaemonFChttp://asharp.martincarlisle.com/Feb 15 18:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ada for .NET .::. Size~: 10.63 KBFeb 15 18:47
schestowitzThis confirms the purpose of Nectar as eavesdropping device: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/15/yahoo_nectar/Feb 15 18:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Yahoo! Nectar deal to link online ads to offline buys • The Register .::. Size~: 23.12 KBFeb 15 18:52
schestowitzEven if I pay with cash they get to know what I buy, unless i give up 1% discountFeb 15 18:52
schestowitzit's like in Truman's WOrld (the film)Feb 15 18:52
schestowitzThey track what you buy and shovel urges onto the subject...Feb 15 18:52
DaemonFCschestowitz, Put all bullshit info on your discount card applicationsFeb 15 18:53
DaemonFC:)Feb 15 18:53
schestowitzDaemonFC: won't workFeb 15 18:56
schestowitzIf you shop online with the same #sFeb 15 18:56
schestowitzAnyway, these people like my suprmaker know everything I've bought for yearsFeb 15 18:57
schestowitzTo them, it's a form of power (advertising not the only option)Feb 15 18:57
schestowitzData-greedy societyFeb 15 18:57
DaemonFCyou could pay cash :)Feb 15 18:57
DaemonFCin the stores anywayFeb 15 18:57
schestowitzhttp://news.techworld.com/operating-systems/3212674/microsoft-windows-piracy-checker-phones-home/?olo=rssFeb 15 18:57
Diablo-D3I have no problem with that, schestowitzFeb 15 18:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsoft Windows piracy checker phones home - Techworld.com .::. Size~: 115.26 KBFeb 15 18:58
schestowitzDaemonFC: I told you.....Feb 15 18:58
Diablo-D3if they'd stock more products I buy and more products I might want to buyFeb 15 18:58
Diablo-D3then they should by all means do itFeb 15 18:58
Diablo-D3problem isFeb 15 18:58
Diablo-D3THEY DONTFeb 15 18:58
schestowitzIf I pay cash and I want a discount I need to hand over a cardFeb 15 18:58
Diablo-D3and they keep not stocking the stuff I do buy!Feb 15 18:58
Diablo-D3fucking faggotsFeb 15 18:58
DaemonFCright, one of those "loyalty cards", fake name, fake addressFeb 15 18:58
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: lovely. http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/9151498118Feb 15 18:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Toby Thain: RT @Satyagraha_ji @Sagacio ... .::. Size~: 10.35 KBFeb 15 18:58
schestowitzDiablo-D3: languageFeb 15 18:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Satyagraha_ji @Sagacious_O @avinunu #UK columnist: our "duty" to torture Muslims+families http://bit.ly/dzAZDb *utterly* repugnant viewsFeb 15 18:58
schestowitzCome on, don't use those words hereFeb 15 18:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bruce Anderson: We not only have a right to use torture. We have a duty -Bruce Anderson, Commentators - The Independent .::. Size~: 245.5 KBFeb 15 18:59
Diablo-D3fine, fucking homosexuals.Feb 15 18:59
DaemonFCschestowitz, You can't teach a stupid hick to not be a stupid hickFeb 15 18:59
DaemonFCbest to just let them go :)Feb 15 19:00
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/olympics-protest-vancouver-turns-violent/Feb 15 19:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Vancouver Olympics protest takes violent twist |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 46.58 KBFeb 15 19:01
schestowitzThe debt/death tourFeb 15 19:01
schestowitzThere was a luge death the other dayFeb 15 19:01
schestowitzCensored by the Olympic thugsFeb 15 19:01
schestowitzWho impose debts on cities and make people vacate homesFeb 15 19:02
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/liz-cheney-civil-terror-trials-led-911/Feb 15 19:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Liz Cheney: Civil terror trials led to 9/11 |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 39.09 KBFeb 15 19:03
schestowitzMAFIAA group organiser Biden, one of the shills for the Iraq invasion, is now saying "naaaaaaaaa. it aint' worth it" http://rawstory.com/2010/02/biden-iraq-wasnt-worth-horrible-price/ Bastard.Feb 15 19:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Vice President: Iraq War wasnt worth the horrible price |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 36.26 KBFeb 15 19:04
DaemonFC"Indeed, the games have cost the city well over $6 billion in unexpected spending, even though the initial public cost projection were less than $700 million. Added to the city's troubles was a startling lack of frozen precipitation, for which officials compensated by having over 5,000 cubic meters of snow airlifted by helicopter, requiring some 750 workers according to Reuters Canada."Feb 15 19:04
DaemonFCHaha. And if they just had it in Chicago, none of this would have happened :)Feb 15 19:04
schestowitz*LOL*Feb 15 19:05
schestowitzIdiots.Feb 15 19:05
schestowitzAll for the mighty ceremony of homo sapient glorifying their own physical motionFeb 15 19:05
DaemonFCinstead they got no snow and a bunch of Canadian hippie eco-terrorists?Feb 15 19:06
DaemonFC:)Feb 15 19:06
schestowitz"Oh.... look at me.. I throw a metal ball for only $100,000 in spendings for the event" :-)Feb 15 19:06
schestowitzDaemonFC: deaths tooFeb 15 19:06
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20100212/1527178155.shtmlFeb 15 19:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Olympics Using Bogus Copyright Claims To Take Down All Videos Of Fatal Luge Crash | Techdirt .::. Size~: 55.42 KBFeb 15 19:07
schestowitzhttp://www.denverpost.com/ci_14390486Feb 15 19:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Olympic luger from Georgia dies after crash - The Denver Post .::. Size~: 137.94 KBFeb 15 19:07
schestowitzhttp://www.denverpost.com/ci_14390486Feb 15 19:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Olympic luger from Georgia dies after crash - The Denver Post .::. Size~: 137.94 KBFeb 15 19:07
DaemonFCschestowitz, Streisand Effect, eh? ;)Feb 15 19:07
schestowitzhttp://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/2010wintergames/luge/Multiple%20crashes%20luge%20track/2556409/story.htmlFeb 15 19:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Multiple crashes at luge track .::. Size~: 82.56 KBFeb 15 19:07
schestowitzDaemonFC: yeahFeb 15 19:07
schestowitzThere was another oneFeb 15 19:07
schestowitz15-y-o getting beat up in a subwayFeb 15 19:07
schestowitzPolice didn't help herFeb 15 19:07
schestowitzAnd then there's....:"Feb 15 19:08
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lKUwBCIBzAFeb 15 19:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Video Shows Woman Dying on NY Hospital Floor .::. Size~: 170.87 KBFeb 15 19:08
DaemonFCBut I always thought Canadians were our gentle peace-loving neighbors to the north?Feb 15 19:08
DaemonFCDid their rapists and muggers not get the memo?Feb 15 19:08
DaemonFCfrom the way Canadians describe their country, you almost get the vision of the police from Demolition ManFeb 15 19:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Here is a very nice svg editor (needs JS): http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/branches/2.4/editor/svg-editor.htmlFeb 15 19:11
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schestowitzWow. O'Reilly Radar is bloody junkFeb 15 19:13
schestowitzI don't know why I'm still subscribed to it. I can't help it, I guessFeb 15 19:13
schestowitzForce of habirFeb 15 19:14
schestowitz*habitFeb 15 19:14
schestowitzThere's not even a clear goal to that siteFeb 15 19:14
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh8oVa-DJO8&feature=relatedFeb 15 19:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Demolition Man part 3/11 .::. Size~: 115.06 KBFeb 15 19:14
DaemonFClolFeb 15 19:14
schestowitzDaemonFC: a film woirth watching?Feb 15 19:14
schestowitzSandra?Feb 15 19:14
DaemonFCI liked itFeb 15 19:14
DaemonFCcourse I skipped to the future so you could see how impotent the police are :)Feb 15 19:15
schestowitzI'll watch it l8erFeb 15 19:15
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: like your police, the RCMP kills people with tasers and tries to evade responsibility.Feb 15 19:16
DaemonFCschestowitz, They have the entire movieFeb 15 19:16
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, SweeeeeeetFeb 15 19:16
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Canada has gone downhill under Harper and appears set to get worseFeb 15 19:16
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: as far as I can tell, it's a looking identity crisisFeb 15 19:17
DaemonFCif they shoot someone with a taser, there's usually some reason for itFeb 15 19:17
FurnaceBoylooming*Feb 15 19:17
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: uhFeb 15 19:17
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I guess you need to study the particulars of the casesFeb 15 19:17
DaemonFCbetter they just fry them there than warehouse them at public expense laterFeb 15 19:17
DaemonFCor worse, have some lawyer work them freeFeb 15 19:17
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I should have known you;d say something inane like that.Feb 15 19:17
FurnaceBoynever mindFeb 15 19:17
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/188986/baidu_sees_confidence_boost_after_googles_china_threat.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 15 19:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Baidu Sees Confidence Boost After Google's China Threat - PCWorld .::. Size~: 62.83 KBFeb 15 19:18
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: you should move to the EUFeb 15 19:19
schestowitzFarther away from CHeneyFeb 15 19:19
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's in my plansFeb 15 19:19
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/189023/australian_parliament_web_site_attacked.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 15 19:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Australian Parliament Web Site Attacked - PCWorld .::. Size~: 62.21 KBFeb 15 19:20
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: IcelandFeb 15 19:20
schestowitzHelp them fight corruptionFeb 15 19:21
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, The kind of people the police deal with are lucky to be taseredFeb 15 19:21
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you are cluelessFeb 15 19:21
DaemonFC20 years ago the officer may have had to shoot themFeb 15 19:21
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: why odn't you go study the cases before discussing themFeb 15 19:21
FurnaceBoy(that's what we do)Feb 15 19:21
schestowitzHe'll just go get a taserFeb 15 19:21
DaemonFCno, the criminals get fancy lawyers and make up a story to sue the city for millions of dollars (or their family does)Feb 15 19:21
schestowitzThis way he can selectFeb 15 19:21
schestowitzCTRL+1 for fistFeb 15 19:22
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: your inventions and fantasies about events are really not relevantFeb 15 19:22
schestowitzCTRL+2 for pistolFeb 15 19:22
schestowitzCTRL+8 for taserFeb 15 19:22
DaemonFCthen EVERYONE gets to suffer because public services have to get cut to pay some asshole's family membersFeb 15 19:22
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: this is all in your imagination.Feb 15 19:22
schestowitzYou can imagine Ryan walking down the bar swapping handlesFeb 15 19:22
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I am talking about actual cases, you can find details on the interwebs if you want to discuss it.Feb 15 19:22
schestowitzCTRL+3 for wet sockFeb 15 19:22
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Their stories are as credible to me than the police, at their bestFeb 15 19:22
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: they're dead.Feb 15 19:23
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: they aren't giving evidence.Feb 15 19:23
DaemonFCand total malarkey at worstFeb 15 19:23
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: this topic, again, is not worth discussing until you've familiarised yourself with the facts.Feb 15 19:23
DaemonFCtheir family isFeb 15 19:23
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: in a homicide, the victim doesn't have the luxury of exaggerating circumstances.Feb 15 19:23
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: ROyal Commission, you know what that is?Feb 15 19:23
DaemonFCtheir family and friends will start exaggerating for the cashFeb 15 19:24
DaemonFCcomes right out of the taxpayersFeb 15 19:24
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you know nothing about this topic.Feb 15 19:24
schestowitzMS booster Wagner is in IDG now??? http://www.pcworld.com/article/189067/why_google_buzz_will_bomb.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 15 19:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Why Google Buzz Will Bomb - PCWorld .::. Size~: 64.42 KBFeb 15 19:24
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and there's no excuse for that; the internet is right there if you want to do some research.Feb 15 19:24
DaemonFCthen when the wrongful death suit is over, they'll sue again for their own alleged "emotional distress"Feb 15 19:24
FurnaceBoyoh well, work calls.Feb 15 19:25
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DaemonFCthe internet has highly varying degrees of credibilityFeb 15 19:25
schestowitzDaemonFC: can I suw YOU for  "emotional distress" :-pFeb 15 19:25
schestowitzDaemonFC: yes, and your racism here lowers BN'sFeb 15 19:26
DaemonFCI could cite some white supremacist website in saying "White people are superior, go look it up!"Feb 15 19:26
schestowitzYou could do that w/ booksFeb 15 19:26
DaemonFCthat means I'm right, because there's a website backing it up, right?Feb 15 19:26
schestowitzYour point is mootFeb 15 19:26
schestowitzSome people still have Mein Kampf on their shelvesFeb 15 19:26
DaemonFCmy point really is that police having the taser leads to many fewer deaths than shooting people with live ammunition from a real gun wouldFeb 15 19:27
DaemonFCno arguing thatFeb 15 19:27
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/189095/sgi_offers_supercomputing_as_a_service.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 15 19:28
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DaemonFCin the situations where they may otherwise have to shoot, having the taser saves livesFeb 15 19:28
schestowitzNoFeb 15 19:28
schestowitzThey can shoot leg/armFeb 15 19:28
schestowitzThen there's the medical billFeb 15 19:28
schestowitzThey also have clubsFeb 15 19:28
DaemonFCschestowitz, would you rather be shot or tasered?Feb 15 19:28
schestowitzAlthough those too are dangerousFeb 15 19:29
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DaemonFCI'd rather be tasered because there's a 99.999% chance I get back up laterFeb 15 19:29
DaemonFCit's really humane of them to buy and use tasers in preference to their service pistols :)Feb 15 19:29
schestowitzThe issue is when they use itFeb 15 19:30
DaemonFCschestowitz, The funniest thing is that they have to taser each otherFeb 15 19:30
DaemonFCin training on how to use themFeb 15 19:30
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyvrqcxNIFsFeb 15 19:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- UCLA Police Taser Student in Powell .::. Size~: 118.25 KBFeb 15 19:30
DaemonFCthat's funnyFeb 15 19:32
DaemonFCschestowitz, You ever notice that the camera conveniently never catches the criminal doing whatever they didFeb 15 19:33
DaemonFCit just flips on right in time to capture the police tasering themFeb 15 19:33
DaemonFCthat's convenientFeb 15 19:33
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/189230/waste_management_now_demanding_500_million_from_sap.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 15 19:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Waste Management Now Demanding $500 Million From SAP - PCWorld .::. Size~: 62.42 KBFeb 15 19:38
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schestowitzApple's lead shill: http://www.pcworld.com/article/189322/expo_notes_guy_kawasaki_lets_developers_show_their_goods.html?tk=rss_newsFeb 15 19:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Expo Notes: Guy Kawasaki Lets Developers Show Their Goods - PCWorld .::. Size~: 67.04 KBFeb 15 19:42
schestowitzHe seemed nice, but what he's doing harms people's rightsFeb 15 19:43
schestowitzDaemonFC: someone just mailed me calling you "Dumb Football Club"Feb 15 19:49
schestowitzHe thinks you lobby for homosexuals hereFeb 15 19:49
DaemonFCI care?Feb 15 19:49
DaemonFCTell him my code word for him will be "Closet Case" since he won't talk to me directly :)Feb 15 19:50
schestowitzHe reckond you inject other agenda while writing about FOSSFeb 15 19:51
schestowitzLike when you flood the channel with off topic stuffFeb 15 19:51
schestowitzHe think it's a US thingFeb 15 19:52
schestowitz> Hi, Roy,Feb 15 19:52
schestowitz> Feb 15 19:52
schestowitz> [summary: learn from the mistakes of slashdot and technocrat]Feb 15 19:52
schestowitz> Feb 15 19:52
schestowitz> User DaemonFC trolled you in IRC and got one of his links in here:Feb 15 19:52
schestowitz> Feb 15 19:52
schestowitz> "Links 14/2/2010: Linux 2.6.33 RC 8, New Android Platform"Feb 15 19:52
DaemonFCuhhhm, I didn't write thatFeb 15 19:52
DaemonFC:DFeb 15 19:52
schestowitzHe uses the f wordFeb 15 19:53
schestowitzDo you want to see it?Feb 15 19:53
DaemonFCNo, I know I use.....words :)Feb 15 19:53
MinceR*gasp* you use words? how dare you!Feb 15 19:53
DaemonFCbut I didn't write whatever page that link was aboutFeb 15 19:54
DaemonFCMinceR, And vowels and consonants evenFeb 15 19:54
schestowitzAnyway, here's the beefFeb 15 19:55
schestowitz>It may not be evident over in the UK but in the US just right now there is a very large orchestrated attack against Congress to affect the US military.  In short, fags are lobbying very hard to be granted special privileges and status within the US military. Feb 15 19:55
schestowitz>The style of astroturfing is similar across forums and goes by agreeing with the forum and then tacking on their agenda somewhere later in the discussions.Feb 15 19:55
schestowitz> Some of it is just the power grab it appears to be, but some of it is probably egged on by the Cheney-Rumsfeld group which is still bragging about running a 'shadow governemnt' and apparently willing to destroy the US to achieve whatever goals it is they have.  In the case of FOSS and Open Standards, some of it is done by the opponents of FOSS.Feb 15 19:55
schestowitz> As we've seen on Slashdot and during the demise of Bruce Perens' site Technocat, there are some choices to be made about trolls.  We've seen nearly every major FOSS or Open Standards strategic breakthrough on ./ hit by coprophila, necrophilia, homophilia, etc trolls. Feb 15 19:55
schestowitz> When Bruce's site started to make progress, he allowed it to get hit by the same groups, eventually Zogger fell in with them and it was Game Over.Feb 15 19:55
schestowitz> Also, we saw the other year when the BSA (Boy Scouts of America) announced it was going FOSS, the same deal.  Maddog Hall and others allowed themselves to be used and the jerks changed the topic in a few seconds away from what could have been *the* tipping point -- even without the need of breaking the OEM monopoly. Feb 15 19:55
schestowitz> First, BSA is seen as 100% down-home America.  Second, those active in Scouting are usually *very* active in other community service activities, making them very influential in the areas where they live. Feb 15 19:55
schestowitz> If the fags want a forum for lobbying, fine, but it might not be in the best interest of the goals you set out to accomplish to let them or your other opponents shut down your site by using it as a playground for their agendas.Feb 15 19:55
schestowitzhttp://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid39_gci1381092,00.html?track=sy184&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+techtarget%2FSearchopensource%2FOpenSourceHeadlines+%28SearchOpenSource+%3A+Enterprise+Linux+headlines%29Feb 15 19:56
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schestowitzLet's keep on topic anywayFeb 15 19:57
DaemonFCschestowitz, Just so you know, homophilia is not a wordFeb 15 19:57
schestowitzTry to avoid taser discussions and stuffFeb 15 19:57
DaemonFC:)Feb 15 19:58
schestowitzDaemonFC: I didn't write thisFeb 15 19:58
DaemonFCand I'm not a member of any conspiracy to overthrow the government in the name of "fags" everywhereFeb 15 19:58
schestowitzI'm personally of the belief that it's hard to totally separate software from politicsFeb 15 19:58
schestowitzMicrosoft, for example, is just a lot of corruption/politicsFeb 15 19:58
schestowitzThey just buy their productsFeb 15 19:59
DaemonFCand this anonymous coward should check himself in somewhere to get professional help as he has some kind of persecution complexFeb 15 19:59
schestowitzThe  use their 'movement' to coerce/sack othersFeb 15 19:59
schestowitzDaemonFC: prosecution?Feb 15 19:59
DaemonFCno, he thinks people are out to get him, he's probably a failure and thinks that blaming "fags" will make him feel betterFeb 15 20:00
schestowitzHehe: http://www.techworld.com.au/article/335994/german_court_orders_lenovo_stop_using_smartbook?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1Feb 15 20:00
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schestowitzDaemonFC: I've got worse mailsFeb 15 20:00
DaemonFCpeople that can't cope or don't want to deal with their own shortcomings will always find a scapegoatFeb 15 20:01
schestowitzOracle calls for JavaOne papers....Feb 15 20:01
schestowitzDaemonFC: there are real problemsFeb 15 20:01
schestowitzSOme blame economicsFeb 15 20:01
DaemonFCschestowitz, you mean written in orange crayon with half the letters backwards?Feb 15 20:01
schestowitzSome blame religionFeb 15 20:01
schestowitzSome blame sexual orientationFeb 15 20:01
schestowitzSome blame "heretics"Feb 15 20:01
schestowitzEtc etc.Feb 15 20:02
schestowitzI generally believe that class is a major factorFeb 15 20:02
schestowitzReligion is a descebdant of itFeb 15 20:02
schestowitzRich people give religion to others and use pastor level to control the massesFeb 15 20:02
schestowitzBut the instinctive urge of coveting is what makes the tension worseFeb 15 20:02
schestowitzMore kids/foods/belongingsFeb 15 20:03
schestowitzSome express this anger using religionFeb 15 20:03
DaemonFCschestowitz, The church also keeps you poorer than you really are by asking for 10% of your incomeFeb 15 20:03
schestowitzOthers use scapegoats of another formFeb 15 20:03
schestowitzEither way, as human pop' gets denser, we're treated more like objects with numbers and CCTVFeb 15 20:03
schestowitzthat ought to stop, it's coercion and controlFeb 15 20:03
schestowitzTechnology was supposed to make life easier, but many people suffer from famine and are overworkedFeb 15 20:04
DaemonFCgovernment isn't worried about any individual, they'll sacrifice millions of their own people to stay in powerFeb 15 20:04
schestowitzThe guys at Nike want to always beat expectation and find the moist exploitable workforce somewhere in south-east AsiaFeb 15 20:04
schestowitzgovernment -- noFeb 15 20:05
schestowitzit's not a person Feb 15 20:05
schestowitzNot corporations eitherFeb 15 20:05
schestowitzIt's some people who have interests in it as institutionFeb 15 20:05
schestowitzFortune holder and fedsFeb 15 20:05
schestowitz*holdersFeb 15 20:05
DaemonFCYeah, there was one company left that made shoes in the US last time I checkedFeb 15 20:05
DaemonFCthe rest were mostly Bangalore :)Feb 15 20:06
schestowitzWith their feet one he ground and their heads already somewhere in Heaven fantasy, 90% of the US population is easy to keep under control, IMHOFeb 15 20:06
schestowitzIf you have just 1 million people who are informed, that's less than 1% of the populationFeb 15 20:07
schestowitzThe rest are plugged into to 24/7 indoctrination matrices, be they social pressures, TV, etc.Feb 15 20:07
schestowitzDaemonFC: what company?Feb 15 20:08
schestowitzThat's the extreme capitalismFeb 15 20:08
DaemonFCschestowitz, New Balance, and only some modelsFeb 15 20:08
schestowitzYou can't reform it with regulatory terms in the USFeb 15 20:08
DaemonFChttp://www.tricitynewbalance.com/made-in-the-u-s-a-c-49.htmlFeb 15 20:08
schestowitzThat would anger the few Feb 15 20:08
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Made In The U S A | New Balance at TriCity New Balance .::. Size~: 55.28 KBFeb 15 20:08
schestowitzAnd they would incite the rest against the opposerFeb 15 20:09
schestowitzIf it's good for 1% of the people and 90% are led to think it's good for them, then fineFeb 15 20:09
schestowitzBut this doesn't account for the 500% in China, for exampleFeb 15 20:09
schestowitzExternalityFeb 15 20:09
DaemonFChttp://www.americansworking.com/index.htmlFeb 15 20:10
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DaemonFCheheFeb 15 20:10
schestowitz"made in the USA"... not anymore, I betFeb 15 20:10
schestowitzMaybe badged in the USFeb 15 20:10
schestowitzLike Apple MacsFeb 15 20:10
schestowitz"cracker" is now "Criminal hacker"? That's the extreme capitalismFeb 15 20:12
schestowitzhttp://www.techworld.com.au/article/336200/criminal_hacker_iceman_gets_13_years?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1Feb 15 20:12
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DaemonFChttp://blogs.eweek.com/careers/content001/h-1b_foreign_workers/h1-b_visas_and_unemployment_a_federal_case.htmlFeb 15 20:12
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_goblinHi all.Feb 15 20:13
schestowitzNew BallnuxOS: http://www.techworld.com.au/article/336212/samsung_wave_makes_splash_mobile_world_congress?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1Feb 15 20:13
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schestowitzOr Bada for shortFeb 15 20:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Had an early start at work today....So much stuff to do, so little time!Feb 15 20:13
DaemonFChttp://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/big_box_martFeb 15 20:14
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schestowitz_goblin: we were just talking about you :-)Feb 15 20:14
_goblinoh yeah? ;)Feb 15 20:14
schestowitzOh, you don't wanna know !!Feb 15 20:14
_goblinsaying how great I was?Feb 15 20:14
_goblin....Feb 15 20:14
schestowitzI'm jokingFeb 15 20:14
DaemonFCschestowitz, There's the story in a few secondsFeb 15 20:14
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/10/frank-magid-creator.htmlFeb 15 20:15
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_goblinlittle competition......who is saying this: Feb 15 20:16
_goblinQuote "We strive to maintain the highest standards in our business conduct, to ensure integrity and transparency in all of our business practices, and to address society's ethical, legal, and commercial expectations."Feb 15 20:16
_goblin...Feb 15 20:16
_goblinand....Feb 15 20:16
_goblinQuote "We are committed to improving the quality of the technologies, products, and processes that customers need for systems that are reliable and that perform as intended and expected."Feb 15 20:16
_goblin...Feb 15 20:16
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/jan/23/china-internet-censorship-clintonFeb 15 20:16
DaemonFChttp://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/hes_barack_obamaFeb 15 20:17
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schestowitz_goblin: I read that beforeFeb 15 20:17
_goblinso?Feb 15 20:17
_goblinwho said it?Feb 15 20:17
schestowitzDon't recall in relation to which MS blunderFeb 15 20:17
schestowitzMicrosoftFeb 15 20:17
_goblinlolFeb 15 20:17
_goblinyep...Feb 15 20:17
schestowitzZunem or somethingFeb 15 20:17
_goblinits good stuff.Feb 15 20:17
schestowitzI read itFeb 15 20:17
schestowitzWinMobbbb?Feb 15 20:17
_goblinits on the "Trustworthy computing" section for Microsoft.comFeb 15 20:17
schestowitztransparency..Feb 15 20:17
schestowitzintegrity..Feb 15 20:17
schestowitzstandards...Feb 15 20:18
_goblinI thought it would be nice to do a little article about it...Feb 15 20:18
schestowitzWhat a load of  ********Feb 15 20:18
schestowitzGotta go to the bathroom....Feb 15 20:18
_goblinits not that bad.Feb 15 20:18
_goblin;)Feb 15 20:18
schestowitzwhat's the URL?Feb 15 20:18
DaemonFChttp://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/never_a_year_like_09Feb 15 20:19
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DaemonFC:)Feb 15 20:19
schestowitzlameFeb 15 20:21
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/12/effs-liberty-mecha-s.htmlFeb 15 20:22
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schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/13/6-month-jail-sentenc.htmlFeb 15 20:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nice new image from Dan Hillier, http://www.danhillier.com/blog/?p=441Feb 15 20:24
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schestowitz_goblin: *LOL* http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=We+strive+to+maintain+the+highest+standards+in+our+business+conduct%2C+to+ensure+integrity+and+transparency+in+all+of+our+business+practices%2C+and+to+address+society%27s+ethical%2C+legal%2C+and+commercial+expectations.&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Feb 15 20:25
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_goblinsorry afk....Feb 15 20:30
_goblinyouve got to be quick around here to get my attention.....Feb 15 20:30
_goblinKing of the nappy changers here.....no nappy to dirty!Feb 15 20:30
_goblinRoy, youve found something quite interesting by accident.......Feb 15 20:31
_goblinthe company Seamfix and Microsoft have the same statement.....Feb 15 20:32
_goblinare the two related?  they don't appear to be.Feb 15 20:32
_goblinhttp://www.seamfix.com/Feb 15 20:32
schestowitzhttp://www.glasspockets.org/inside/whgp/profiles/gates.htmlFeb 15 20:33
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schestowitzWaitFeb 15 20:34
schestowitz...Feb 15 20:34
schestowitzWas it not fake, _goblin?Feb 15 20:34
_goblin?Feb 15 20:34
schestowitzI thought you joked me after I had googled itFeb 15 20:34
_goblinthe company seamfix and Microsoft use the same words...its exactly the same.Feb 15 20:34
_goblinvery strange....Feb 15 20:35
_goblinunless seamfix has just lifted it from MS (or vice versa)Feb 15 20:35
_goblinI'll look at that later....Feb 15 20:35
_goblinbtw Roy just deployed 9.10 on a few work laptops.....its met with a very good reception.....Feb 15 20:36
_goblinIm writing a report to try to introduce Ubuntu/Foss to a few area's with standalone laptops.Feb 15 20:36
schestowitzWhat utter fawning from Microsoft employees.... http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2010/2/12/4452236.htmlFeb 15 20:37
schestowitzBlechFeb 15 20:37
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_goblinInfact I was first of all accused of "piracy" so I take it that they were impressed with Ubuntu and could not believe it was free.Feb 15 20:37
schestowitz_goblin: where is the MSFT statement from?Feb 15 20:37
schestowitzI can't find itFeb 15 20:37
_goblinIll find the link....Feb 15 20:37
_goblinhttp://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/twc/default.mspxFeb 15 20:38
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_goblinbottom of the page....each statement is summarised.Feb 15 20:38
_goblinThis is my favorite filed under security:Feb 15 20:38
_goblin"The security of our customers' computers and networks is a top priority, and we are committed to building software and services to better help protect our customers and the industry. Our approach to security includes both technological and social aspects."Feb 15 20:38
_goblinQuoteFeb 15 20:39
_goblin"We believe that people have the right to not receive unwanted communications."Feb 15 20:39
_goblin...Feb 15 20:39
_goblinfunny that hotmail is responsible for sending out the most spam.Feb 15 20:39
_goblin(thats an official stat too)Feb 15 20:39
_goblinPeople may have the right, but MS is not going to ensure its exercised.Feb 15 20:40
_goblinAs I said Roy, Im writing an article giving examples of all the statements in a MS PR v Real life type article.Feb 15 20:41
schestowitzAh goodFeb 15 20:44
schestowitzSo I don't have to do a post about itFeb 15 20:44
schestowitzI'll just cite yoursFeb 15 20:44
_goblinI hope to have it done tonight...however Ive got several things on the go.Feb 15 20:46
_goblinincluding a rather involving life in Aardwolf.Feb 15 20:47
schestowitzhttp://groups.google.com/group/minix3Feb 15 20:48
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_goblinRoy, are you aware you write "the shakespear of our time..."Feb 15 20:49
_goblinLinXXX has tried to write a sarcastic article about BN, but they have not done it very well....Feb 15 20:50
_goblinit comes across as rather complimentary.....and for the linXXX children, theirs evidence of a sense of humour there.Feb 15 20:50
_goblin*there'sFeb 15 20:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] nathaniel73 The Vorbis.com slogan is #Ogg is everywhere yet #Oggcamp 2010 isn't on their site #playogg #ogg #fsfFeb 15 20:51
_goblinanyway moving on.....Im looking at Elive at the moment....Feb 15 20:52
_goblinvery impressed.Feb 15 20:52
schestowitz_goblin: I don't check what people write about meFeb 15 20:52
schestowitzI also killfile the trolls in COLA, it's noise and waste of timeFeb 15 20:52
_goblinI was emailed this by one of the LinXXX "insiders" who let me know what they are up to.Feb 15 20:52
_goblinI also get emailed transcripts of their IRC channel, so there is no need for me to go in there.Feb 15 20:55
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] STS-130 video from NASA is now available... enjoy the last night launch ever http://ur1.ca/mf52Feb 15 20:57
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_goblinafter this "trustworthy computing"...I am going to concentrate more on championing of FOSS products....I simply don't have much time to keep up with the endless bickering and cheap shots thrown my way.....Feb 15 20:59
_goblinI am so pleased that I remain anon, since although I don't agree with much he says,  David Schlesinger, has had some rather vulgar and malicious email attacks directed towards him.   Ive been reading about them over the last few days....poor chap....Feb 15 21:02
schestowitz" Despite this, many distributions of Linux are still too difficult to manage for the average computer user .." http://www.zath.co.uk/linux-training-week-introduction/ not tureFeb 15 21:02
schestowitzDifferent is not ahrderFeb 15 21:02
_goblinDavid Schlesinger does not deserve the treatment he has had, regardless of his viewpoint....nobody deserves that.Feb 15 21:02
schestowitzWe don't talk about trolls hereFeb 15 21:03
schestowitzLet's stick to the subjectFeb 15 21:03
_goblinfair enough....Feb 15 21:03
schestowitzFrom what I udnerstand, the troll has about 20 defamatoryWeb sites and blogFeb 15 21:04
schestowitzWhere he also posted pornographic images of people whom he disagreed with, without persmissionFeb 15 21:04
_goblinnot sure about the number, but I believe that he has B-BN.Feb 15 21:04
_goblinI think the whole thing has gone too far...Feb 15 21:05
_goblinIts a shame because during the days of Amiga V ST we had some really decent debates and at the end of the day, we all shook hands and went home.Feb 15 21:05
_goblinvery different now.Feb 15 21:06
schestowitz> To: "Lefty (石鏡 )" <lefty@shugendo.org>Feb 15 21:06
schestowitz> Feb 15 21:06
schestowitz> Because of my position in the community lot of folks send me email. What Feb 15 21:06
schestowitz> I know of for sure and have reported upon is my own personal and online Feb 15 21:06
schestowitz> interaction with you, which convinced me that it isn't really a good Feb 15 21:06
schestowitz> idea to further engage with you. I have read some of their email but the Feb 15 21:06
schestowitz> only "support" they could claim is my own independent report of your Feb 15 21:06
schestowitz> actions.Feb 15 21:06
schestowitz> Feb 15 21:06
schestowitz> To a great extent we create our own problems. I suggest you consider Feb 15 21:06
schestowitz> your statements and interactions with others and how they got you here. Feb 15 21:06
schestowitz> I can't admit to much sympathy and really am not interested in hearing Feb 15 21:06
schestowitz> from you again. If I find myself being pestered I will resort to Feb 15 21:06
schestowitz> technical means to block your communication.Feb 15 21:06
schestowitz> Feb 15 21:06
schestowitz>     Bruce PerensFeb 15 21:06
_goblinWho's Bruce?Feb 15 21:07
schestowitzhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/15581/microsoft_fails_its_customers_after_a_bad_patchFeb 15 21:07
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_PerensFeb 15 21:07
schestowitz"On the whole, Windows Update seems to work very well. Although I don't use Linux much, my experiences with Windows and Microsoft Update have been much more positive than those with equivalent software on Linux."Feb 15 21:08
schestowitzMeh.Feb 15 21:08
_goblinah...thanks!Feb 15 21:08
schestowitzANyway, I don't want to waste time talking about trolls like lins***Feb 15 21:08
schestowitzYou're only giving them attention,I forgot they even exist, but you bring them up, stillFeb 15 21:08
schestowitzThey seem to have left identica were they were slammed for trollingFeb 15 21:09
schestowitzFor a brief periodFeb 15 21:09
schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61E15G20100215Feb 15 21:09
schestowitzhttp://www.rttnews.com/ArticleView.aspx?Id=1211109&SMap=1Feb 15 21:10
DaemonFCHow well does Windows Update track updates to all the other software you install? :)Feb 15 21:11
DaemonFCI assume I can go download this "Windows" for free?Feb 15 21:11
_goblinschestowitz: I find human behaviour very interesting.  I find the "trigger points" and peoples agenda very interesting.  There's no doubt they are badly behaved but what interesting in these cases is we are often talking about very intelligent and knowledgable people...I find it facinating.Feb 15 21:15
_goblinand the bad behaviour which you seek to ignore is exactly that which can help prove you are making valid points.Feb 15 21:16
DaemonFC_goblin, People are constantly looking for the path of least resistance to what they want.Feb 15 21:17
_goblinI cite the repeated attempts on COLA to highlight complaints about Ubuntu as "proof" that its not a viable alternative to Windows.Feb 15 21:17
DaemonFCThat's the root of their behavior pattern.Feb 15 21:17
_goblinmaybe Im the only one who finds it interesting...in my line of work I engage with with a vastly difference profile of person (most of the time)Feb 15 21:18
DaemonFCWhy do some people do hard work? Because that just so happens to be the only thing they can do.Feb 15 21:18
DaemonFCVery few people seek to be honest or to do the right thing. That almost always leaves you poor. :)Feb 15 21:18
_goblinI always do.Feb 15 21:19
_goblinI am above bribery....Feb 15 21:19
DaemonFC_goblin, Look for instructions on how to make a board game called "Fuck You, Buddy!"Feb 15 21:19
Diablo-D3I'd like to state that Ubuntu is not a viable alternative to an actual Linux Desktop distro.Feb 15 21:19
DaemonFCit's meant as an example of human behaviorFeb 15 21:19
_goblindiablo-d3: for some....Feb 15 21:19
_goblindiablo-d3: however the deployment Im looking at has been very well recieved.Feb 15 21:20
DaemonFCDiablo-D3, Ubuntu is a Linux distro that works well in many casesFeb 15 21:20
Diablo-D3when ubuntu drops gnome and uses xfce I'll reconsiderFeb 15 21:20
_goblindiablo-d3: and looking at Ubuntu's position on distro watch would suggest many people think the same.Feb 15 21:20
Diablo-D3until then, its a microsoft shamFeb 15 21:20
DaemonFCXubuntu does use XFCEFeb 15 21:20
_goblindiablo-d3: I don't think thats the case.Feb 15 21:20
DaemonFC:)Feb 15 21:20
Diablo-D3they ship mono on the install cdFeb 15 21:21
_goblindiablo-d3: so do many others.Feb 15 21:21
DaemonFCUbuntu is very far from being a Microsoft shamFeb 15 21:21
Diablo-D3_goblin: yes, and they are microsoft shams tooFeb 15 21:21
Diablo-D3Debian thankfully doesntFeb 15 21:21
DaemonFCthey do serve their own purposes, but they are not a mask on MicrosoftFeb 15 21:21
DaemonFCSuse isFeb 15 21:21
_goblindiablo-d3: I think you are being too hard....if Mono was mission critical to any distro I say you are right, but the ability to remove it hardly makes for a MS Sham (IMHO)Feb 15 21:22
DaemonFC_goblin, Just shipping Mono is not enough to make the accusation he madeFeb 15 21:23
Diablo-D3nope, you cant remove itFeb 15 21:23
DaemonFCmost GNOME distros do ship itFeb 15 21:23
Diablo-D3your gnome meta package gets installed tooFeb 15 21:23
DaemonFCand yes, you can remove itFeb 15 21:23
DaemonFCDiablo-D3, No it doesn'tFeb 15 21:23
_goblindiablo-d3: but as I say, its hardly mission critical...Feb 15 21:23
Diablo-D3it doesnt uninstall gnome, but it basically fucks you in the ass for future updatesFeb 15 21:23
Diablo-D3_goblin: desktop distro. _destkop meta package_.Feb 15 21:23
_goblindiablo-d3: I am sure Canonical (or any company) have the ability (and the savvy) to be able to pull the plug if they wished.Feb 15 21:24
Diablo-D3not when gnome 3 shipsFeb 15 21:24
Diablo-D3which is going to require mono since almost everything will be written in c#Feb 15 21:24
_goblindiablo-d3: but then we have a plethora of DE's (including my one of choice Xfce)Feb 15 21:24
Diablo-D3I was smart enough to jump ship before it was popularFeb 15 21:24
DaemonFChttp://pastebin.com/d4fb57aadFeb 15 21:25
DaemonFCWhere does it list ubuntu-desktop?Feb 15 21:25
DaemonFCquit spreading FUDFeb 15 21:25
Diablo-D3[04:14:54] <Diablo-D3> when ubuntu drops gnome and uses xfce I'll reconsiderFeb 15 21:25
Diablo-D3:DFeb 15 21:25
_goblinI think if there is a MS scheme involving mono, it would be to cause exactly what is happening now, division in Linux users......you can't buy that type of disruption.Feb 15 21:25
DaemonFCubuntu-desktop lists Mono as a "recommends" not a hard dependency, moronFeb 15 21:26
schestowitzschismFeb 15 21:26
schestowitzNovell too, but there's no choiceFeb 15 21:26
DaemonFCthey try to keep hard dependencies to a minimumFeb 15 21:26
schestowitzPaid and unpaid linuxFeb 15 21:26
schestowitzThey wanted to created a standard of "paid" distros (paying Microsoft)Feb 15 21:26
Diablo-D3I swearFeb 15 21:26
Diablo-D3I should make an entire desktop environmentFeb 15 21:27
Diablo-D3that runs out of webkit.Feb 15 21:27
_goblinschestowitz: I think this is where we may differ.....Im certainly pro-proprietary software to be offered within Linux...I always have been.Feb 15 21:27
Diablo-D3PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT, MICROSOFTFeb 15 21:27
DaemonFCRemoving Mono does not take out your ubuntu-desktop meta, nor does it interfere with anything not related to MonoFeb 15 21:27
schestowitz_goblin: i wasn't talking about thatFeb 15 21:27
schestowitzI'm talking about software patentsFeb 15 21:27
_goblinsorry roy, Im having many conversations....Feb 15 21:27
schestowitzand racketeeringFeb 15 21:27
_goblinI see now.Feb 15 21:27
DaemonFCyou're perfectly welcome to run Ubuntu with no Mono, and it does not damage GNOME or the system in any wayFeb 15 21:28
schestowitzMeeToo!! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/mobile-phones/7242969/MWC-Nokia-and-Intel-merge-to-launch-MeeGo-Apps-platform.htmlFeb 15 21:28
schestowitzA MeeGoFeb 15 21:28
_goblinI think many people here forget that I (unlike the majority of talkers here) do not have a full time IT related job.  This for me is a hobby and I think I am closer to the "average" user than anyone else here.Feb 15 21:29
schestowitzMig 0Feb 15 21:29
schestowitzaverage?Feb 15 21:29
_goblinI see Mono as a disruption and a fragmentation of Linux users, rather than a patent threat.Feb 15 21:29
schestowitzHow do you measure mean of minds?Feb 15 21:29
_goblinand average I mean....Feb 15 21:29
DaemonFCschestowitz, Will you please pound it into Diablo-D3's head that removing Mono does not take out the ubuntu-desktop meta, that Mono is merely a "recommends" in the meta, and that he's being irrational and spreading FUD?Feb 15 21:29
schestowitzDefine preciselyFeb 15 21:30
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_goblinMono et al mean nothing to the mainstream user of either Windows or Linux....the ones who make up the numbers.Feb 15 21:30
Diablo-D3you know why I'm coding java so hard?Feb 15 21:30
DaemonFCMono is no more "integrated" into Ubuntu than it is in Fedora or MandrivaFeb 15 21:30
Diablo-D3just to stick my dick in bill gates' mashed potatoesFeb 15 21:30
_goblinsay .net to the average PC user and you will be met with a blank look.Feb 15 21:30
_goblinsay Bing and you get "whats that?"Feb 15 21:30
schestowitzDaemonFC: Fedora has no monoFeb 15 21:30
schestowitzMandriva uses KDEFeb 15 21:30
Diablo-D3schestowitz: wrongFeb 15 21:30
Diablo-D3fedora ships with it nowFeb 15 21:30
schestowitzand GNMEFeb 15 21:30
DaemonFCof course Ubuntu didn't used to be that smart about sorting out recommends from requiresFeb 15 21:30
Diablo-D3fucking homosFeb 15 21:30
DaemonFCso old Ubuntu releases have lots of things you can't get rid ofFeb 15 21:31
schestowitzWatch your language, damn itFeb 15 21:31
DaemonFCI think Ubuntu 8.10 was the last one with annoying hard dependencies that shouldn't be necessaryFeb 15 21:32
schestowitzYuck http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20000072-264.html DisgustingFeb 15 21:32
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phIRCe-BNcHello World!Feb 15 21:32
DaemonFCschestowitz, If you install Fedora from the Live DVD, Mono is thereFeb 15 21:33
DaemonFCMono is also there in the default Mandriva GNOME setupFeb 15 21:33
_goblinmoving on from Mono.......anyone here looked at Glest?Feb 15 21:35
_goblinabsolutely fantastic.Feb 15 21:35
_goblinI spent months playing Empire Earth trough Wine and a better title was available in Linux all the time.Feb 15 21:36
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oiaohmhttp://jordanopensource.org/freeplanet/article/nokia-and-intel-merge-their-linux-platforms Interesting newsFeb 15 21:38
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Nokia and Intel to Merge their Linux Platforms | Jordan Open Source Association .::. Size~: 19.34 KBFeb 15 21:38
schestowitzMac Asay: "Is Mozilla becoming too much like Microsoft?" http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10453399-16.htmlFeb 15 21:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 'Why Firefox?' and 'Why Windows?'--same answer? | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 107.37 KBFeb 15 21:39
schestowitz[21:30] <DaemonFC> Mono is no more "integrated" into Ubuntu than it is in Fedora or MandrivaFeb 15 21:40
schestowitzUbuntu has more of it, AFAIKFeb 15 21:40
schestowitzI'm still not sure about Fedora 12Feb 15 21:41
DaemonFCnot really, Tomboy and F-SpotFeb 15 21:41
schestowitzAnd Mandriva I think the most people consider a KDE distroFeb 15 21:41
schestowitzF*pot in Feodra?Feb 15 21:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Prediction: HBK to Smackdown, takes Morisons place in Elim Chamber...leading to ticket to #Wrestlemania and match against Undertaker. #wweFeb 15 21:46
schestowitzLCA 2010: Using a public platform for personal attacks "That there is a fairly large Linux community in China was a fact that Garrett failed to recognise. There are a few who can count themselves among the same community among the billion-plus in India too. And in Japan, Brazil, and Malaysia... but I guess the point is obvious." http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/36850-lca-2010-using-a-public-platform-for-personal-Feb 15 21:49
schestowitzattacksFeb 15 21:49
DaemonFChmmm, the feds are trying to make it a crime to mail tobacco Feb 15 22:32
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DaemonFChttp://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-1147Feb 15 22:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  S. 1147: PACT Act (GovTrack.us) .::. Size~: 34.04 KBFeb 15 22:32
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DaemonFC"A bill to prevent tobacco smuggling, to ensure the collection of all tobacco taxes, and for other purposes."Feb 15 22:32
DaemonFCA bill to make sure your state gets to rob you, and for "other purposes"Feb 15 22:32
DaemonFCwhat's not to love?Feb 15 22:33
DaemonFC(b) Findings- Congress finds that-- (2) Hezbollah, Hamas, al Qaeda, and other terrorist organizations have profited from trafficking in illegal cigarettes or counterfeit cigarette tax stamps; (3) terrorist involvement in illicit cigarette trafficking will continue to grow because of the large profits such organizations can earn; Feb 15 22:35
DaemonFCschestowitz, HowTo: Turn a tax grab into a war on terror bill.Feb 15 22:36
DaemonFC:)Feb 15 22:36
DaemonFCWhen you buy taxless cigarettes, you smoke them with OsamaFeb 15 22:36
DaemonFClulzFeb 15 22:37
MinceRwell, if more than half the price is tax, it's still worth it financially to share them ;)Feb 15 22:38
schestowitzDaemonFC: I watches Demolition Man many years agoFeb 15 22:39
schestowitzI now remember...Feb 15 22:39
schestowitzIt's ver timelyFeb 15 22:39
schestowitzRFIDs....Feb 15 22:39
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://conversation.radian6.com/AiHAlerts/overlay.php?userKey=36959f58f22921f4751659eeef83a540&blogPostId=2841017609&topicFilterIds=20187&clientId=4&keyword=&aqFilters=&sentiment=20187,0&publishDate=1266106828000&link=http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/02/14/comcast-screw-up-of-the-century-apparently-i-live-in-bothell-washington/Feb 15 22:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Radian6 + As It Happens .::. Size~: 1.23 KBFeb 15 22:39
DaemonFCerrr, oopsFeb 15 22:39
Diablo-D3schestowitz: yeah, scares the shit out of you doesnt itFeb 15 22:39
MinceRthat movie rulesFeb 15 22:40
schestowitzDiablo-D3: you failedFeb 15 22:40
schestowitzThey skipped youFeb 15 22:40
schestowitzNo response from the AstroTurfers yetFeb 15 22:40
Diablo-D3well get thisFeb 15 22:41
Diablo-D3stallone plays JOHN SPARTANFeb 15 22:41
schestowitzMaybe they have no dispatch a 'buddy' for you yetFeb 15 22:41
Diablo-D3john. spartan.Feb 15 22:41
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bWtlmD0ARc&feature=relatedFeb 15 22:41
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Demolition Man part 4/11 .::. Size~: 120.03 KBFeb 15 22:41
Diablo-D3john-117, a spartan.Feb 15 22:41
Diablo-D3so halo happens in the demolition man universe or somethingFeb 15 22:42
MinceR:)Feb 15 22:42
*Diablo-D3 is totally making it up as he goesFeb 15 22:42
DaemonFCschestowitz, I was laughing at how the future is so pansy liberalFeb 15 22:44
DaemonFCyet so far right in some waysFeb 15 22:44
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DaemonFCthe far right part might be the ticket machine when you curseFeb 15 22:44
DaemonFCthe far left would be stun batons instead of guns for the police, and prisoners waking up after having sewing lessons implanted into their mindFeb 15 22:45
DaemonFC:)Feb 15 22:45
DaemonFCand there's an element of corporatocracy that the right and the left as exist in the US would both totally go forFeb 15 22:46
DaemonFCThe Taco Bell monopoly and the ad jingles as "entertainment"Feb 15 22:46
schestowitzSo in 2040 women are still like 10% of the police workforce and black guys are typecast "bad" (with all-white cops)Feb 15 22:46
DaemonFCno sex could also be the right and the left at the same timeFeb 15 22:46
DaemonFCimmoral (far right) eugenics (far leftFeb 15 22:47
DaemonFCno, there was a black copFeb 15 22:47
schestowitzThey "need license for emergency" (not exact quote)Feb 15 22:47
DaemonFCthe EEOC made them hire himFeb 15 22:47
MinceRit was all about authoritarianismFeb 15 22:47
DaemonFCMinceR, It's hard to pin that type of government as far right or far left because it got the very worst elements of bothFeb 15 22:48
DaemonFCthat's what I took :)Feb 15 22:48
MinceRi think this is why there's a 2D political compass :>Feb 15 22:48
schestowitzThey make LA look so serene...Feb 15 22:50
DaemonFCa cryo-prison would be pointless, if you get thawed out and walk out of prison the same physical age as when you went inFeb 15 22:50
schestowitzIn reality it's rotting and gone bankruptFeb 15 22:50
DaemonFCwhat exactly did they take from you?Feb 15 22:50
DaemonFCthe only reason prison is a threat is because they can take years of your life that you can never get backFeb 15 22:51
Diablo-D3well its not LAFeb 15 22:54
Diablo-D3its san angelesFeb 15 22:54
MinceRthey merely put their problems over into the futureFeb 15 22:54
MinceRalso, they probably hoped that the new skills allowed criminals to live off honest workFeb 15 22:55
schestowitz*LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeCjFiZOtdE&feature=relatedFeb 15 22:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Demolition Man part 6/11 .::. Size~: 120.27 KBFeb 15 22:55
schestowitzSkip to 2:00Feb 15 22:55
schestowitzSchwarzenegger as presidentFeb 15 22:55
schestowitzClose predictionFeb 15 22:55
Diablo-D3schestowitz: it gets betterFeb 15 22:55
schestowitzHe just ruined CA insteadFeb 15 22:55
MinceRhe may yet become presidentFeb 15 22:56
Diablo-D3when gov arnold became gov, three senators tried to pass legislation for a constitutional ammendmentFeb 15 22:56
Diablo-D3and this may yet happenFeb 15 22:56
Diablo-D3also, he didnt ruin CAFeb 15 22:56
schestowitzDid Taco pay for them for the ads?Feb 15 22:56
Diablo-D3CA ruined itself by having a bad ratio of companiesFeb 15 22:57
schestowitzMinceR: needs to read better.. from the tele-prompterFeb 15 22:57
Diablo-D3they have WAAAAAAAAAY too many cyclical companies from the same industriesFeb 15 22:57
Diablo-D3people hate arnold because he made difficult decisions.Feb 15 22:57
Diablo-D3they dont like the fact that he had to cut state spending no matter whatFeb 15 22:57
Diablo-D3and the stupid People Of California had a refferendum up to cut the _right_ thingsFeb 15 22:58
Diablo-D3the fucking dipshits voted NOFeb 15 22:58
Diablo-D3so he cut what he could and what he had left: police, government workers, teachers, etcFeb 15 22:58
DaemonFCthe liberals fight him on everything, unions are entrenched and can't be purgedFeb 15 22:58
Diablo-D3because either he cuts something, or the state goes bankruptFeb 15 22:58
Diablo-D3which then destroys the entire USFeb 15 22:58
DaemonFCgovernment employees should NEVER be union-eligibleFeb 15 22:58
Diablo-D3he made a decision, it was unpopular, and the people of california need to quit being asshats and get off the entitlement shitFeb 15 22:59
DaemonFCschestowitz, Our town is $1.6 million in the hole for Fiscal 2010, we have more teachers than we need, they can't get rid of them because of the unionsFeb 15 23:00
Diablo-D3he was handed a pile of shit (THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH, THANK YOU PREVIOUS CALI GOV WHATEVER THE FUCK HIS NAME WAS)Feb 15 23:00
Diablo-D3and he didnt let it get worse.Feb 15 23:00
DaemonFCso they either let them retire or bribe them to retireFeb 15 23:00
Diablo-D3honestly, for a republican, he did a decent job.Feb 15 23:00
Diablo-D3california may actually survive thisFeb 15 23:00
DaemonFCso they go fire half of our firefighters instead and make garbage pickup bi-weeklyFeb 15 23:00
Diablo-D3the republicans are doing the same to ObamaFeb 15 23:00
Diablo-D3<Obama> Lets close gitmoFeb 15 23:00
Diablo-D3<Republican led Congress> NothxFeb 15 23:00
Diablo-D3<Obama> OkayFeb 15 23:00
DaemonFCWell, now Obama is backing away and agreeing to try "some of them" in military courtsFeb 15 23:01
DaemonFCyayFeb 15 23:01
Diablo-D3<Republican led Congress> American people, Obama has let you down, he did not close Gitmo as promised!Feb 15 23:01
DaemonFCwe got half-black BushFeb 15 23:01
Diablo-D3Its the same sort of bullshitFeb 15 23:01
Diablo-D3I wish this was on twitter so I could prefix this whole conversation with #GlennBeckFeb 15 23:01
DaemonFCI wasn't aware they would haveFeb 15 23:01
DaemonFC;)Feb 15 23:01
Diablo-D3so I could shove reality hard up their collective assesFeb 15 23:02
schestowitzSandra's acting in this firm is rubbishFeb 15 23:03
schestowitz /firm/film/Feb 15 23:04
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schestowitzSandra's bollox in her performanceFeb 15 23:05
MinceRhow so?Feb 15 23:05
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DaemonFChttp://www.truthwinsout.org/pressreleases/2010/02/7028/Feb 15 23:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Truth Wins Out - Ex-Gay Icon is Secret Ex-Con Who Specialized In Bilking Poor Communities .::. Size~: 61.47 KBFeb 15 23:30
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DaemonFCWir mussen die Juden ausrotten!!!Feb 15 23:31
DaemonFClolFeb 15 23:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Days like this I wonder why Twitter doesn't have a "backup my tweets" function. http://ff.im/fZGBAFeb 15 23:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Days like this I wonder why Twitter doesn't have... - Toby Thain - FriendFeed .::. Size~: 6.62 KBFeb 15 23:32
*DaemonFC checks what's in the redboxFeb 15 23:33
DaemonFCwould be nice if they had one on this side of townFeb 15 23:33
DaemonFCon the other side of town they put 4 of them within a mile of each otherFeb 15 23:34
DaemonFCWalgreens, Wal-Mart, Owens North, and McDonalds :)Feb 15 23:34
DaemonFCtheir "strategic planning" kind of sucksFeb 15 23:35
DaemonFCmakes me wonder why they saturated the rich side of town with them and didn't even put one in on the side of town with 75% of the populationFeb 15 23:35
DaemonFCschestowitz, The redbox machine did bomb out on me one day and on its way down I saw that it was Windows XPFeb 15 23:36
DaemonFChttp://criminaljustice.change.org/blog/view/the_beginning_of_the_end_of_marijuana_prohibitionFeb 15 23:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Beginning of the End of Marijuana Prohibition | Criminal Justice  | Change.org .::. Size~: 93.4 KBFeb 15 23:50
schestowitzHe. Feb 15 23:51
schestowitz<h3>Internet/Net Neutrality/DRM</h3><ul>Feb 15 23:51
schestowitz<li><h5><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/8512843.stm" title="Net neutrality: Are all bits created equal?" rel="nofollow">Net neutrality: Are all bits created equal?</a></h5><blockquote>The ability to visit big or small websites equally is coming under attack from critics of "net neutrality" in America.Feb 15 23:51
schestowitzThis principle means all web traffic is treated equally regardless of the type or origin. Feb 15 23:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 89.16 KBFeb 15 23:51
schestowitz</blockquote></li>Feb 15 23:51
schestowitz<li><h5><a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/189051/google_ultrafast_broadband_may_shake_up_fiber_market.html" title="Google Ultrafast Broadband May Shake Up Fiber Market" rel="nofollow">Google Ultrafast Broadband May Shake Up Fiber Market</a></h5><blockquote>But while Google may intend for its network to serve as a model for other carriers, there is no guarantee that it will lead the incumbent carriers to follow suit. After all, Feb 15 23:51
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google Ultrafast Broadband May Shake Up Fiber Market - PCWorld .::. Size~: 64.56 KBFeb 15 23:51
schestowitzthe success of the open source Android operating system hasn't made proprietary operating systems such as the iPhone OS or BlackBerry any less popular or profitable. What remains to be seen, then, will be whether the Google network will lead to a revolution or will remain just a pretty model.Feb 15 23:51
schestowitz</blockquote></li>Feb 15 23:51
schestowitz</ul>Feb 15 23:51
schestowitzOops.Feb 15 23:51
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MinceRhttp://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1354b.htmlFeb 15 23:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Joy of Tech comic... The annoying behavior of the RIAA scum bird. .::. Size~: 36.26 KBFeb 15 23:54
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