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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 19th, 2010

Ender2070_Fedora 15 secondsFeb 19 00:00
DaemonFCbad to terrible I guessFeb 19 00:00
MinceRsebsebseb: Feb 19 00:00
DaemonFClmao "Programmers think: 'If God had wanted operating systems to be reliable, he wouldn't have invented the reset button, and I don't think users think like that."Feb 19 00:02
MinceR:>Feb 19 00:03
DaemonFCyeah, I've always been fascinated with MINIX over thatFeb 19 00:04
DaemonFCthat they can "have as many bugs as everyone else, and almost none of them are capable of bringing down the system"Feb 19 00:04
DaemonFCif something dies, the system just resurrects it and the user doesn't have to reset the systemFeb 19 00:05
MinceRthat's what microkernels are aboutFeb 19 00:05
MinceRwhether the hardware can deal with this is another question though :>Feb 19 00:06
DaemonFCyeah, Crapple seems to have gotten the performance hit of a microkernel with all the problems of a monolithic kernelFeb 19 00:06
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I wouldn't trust that 5 seconds figure. He is probably referring to systems like RT11, not PDP-11 UNIX. Also, I think it's a long time since Andy saw a PDP-11. :)Feb 19 00:07
MinceRcrApple has no idea what a microkernel isFeb 19 00:07
MinceRthey're just like m$ in this way (and in many other ways)Feb 19 00:07
FurnaceBoyMinceR: well, except that they base their kernel on CMU Mach :)Feb 19 00:07
DaemonFCMinceR, MS is at least trying to push things out of the NT kernelFeb 19 00:08
MinceRand then they bolt half the freebsd kernel on top of itFeb 19 00:08
DaemonFClike the audio and video stacksFeb 19 00:08
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: but whatever MS does is irrelevantFeb 19 00:08
DaemonFCthose are nearly all outFeb 19 00:08
DaemonFCthe sound system crashes, Windows restarts itFeb 19 00:08
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: MS isn't a technology company, any more than the mafia is a solid waste disposal outfit.Feb 19 00:08
DaemonFCthe display driver dies, Windows brings it backFeb 19 00:08
MinceRso no, that's not a microkernelFeb 19 00:08
MinceRDaemonFC: yeah, they tried so hard they managed to push them in in the first place :>Feb 19 00:08
DaemonFCso in some ways Windows NT is getting to be more like a microkernelFeb 19 00:09
MinceRcrApple isn't a technology company eitherFeb 19 00:09
DaemonFCbut there stil lare a lot of things that run in the kernel and can kill itFeb 19 00:09
DaemonFCMinceR, I saw a Steve Wozniak joke that Apple's marketing team designed the Apple III, not the engineering deptFeb 19 00:10
MinceRyeahFeb 19 00:10
sebsebsebheh  I gave the  schestowitz    vista 7  memory hog link  out in a IRC channel on another network, a  guy didn't like me doing that lolFeb 19 00:10
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: which is probably why it failed :)Feb 19 00:10
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: featuritisFeb 19 00:10
DaemonFCI expanded on that and quipped that Apple designs with the Marketing dept, and MS designs with the patent and legal deptFeb 19 00:10
MinceRhe neglected to mention that the marketing team designed every single crApple product since thenFeb 19 00:10
MinceRFurnaceBoy: no, it didn't fail due to featuritisFeb 19 00:10
MinceRFurnaceBoy: it failed because the hardware quality was crap and it wasn't backwards compatibleFeb 19 00:11
DaemonFCEnder2070_, Apparently the SELinux package in Ubuntu will disable AppArmor, which my new kernel doesn't have a module for anyway, and set up a base SELinux policy setupFeb 19 00:11
DaemonFCso I'm thinking I can use SELinux with the new kernel cause that module is part of the kernel anyhowFeb 19 00:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] step away for 15 min & miss that #Israel sends #Mossad to assassinate on fake British & #EU passports. Nice. #crime #uk http://bit.ly/a8VduSFeb 19 00:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Britain demands 'full cooperation' from Israel over false passports - Times Online  .::. Size~: 109.34 KBFeb 19 00:14
Ender2070_kickassFeb 19 00:16
FurnaceBoywe'll seeFeb 19 00:16
FurnaceBoyIsrael thinks they are above the law. this kind of misconception isn't quick to fixFeb 19 00:16
sebsebsebDo you guys know that VistaFeb 19 00:20
sebsebsebcan wipe out Ext4?Feb 19 00:20
Ender2070_it sure canFeb 19 00:20
Ender2070_it will wipe out anythingFeb 19 00:20
sebsebsebno seriosulyFeb 19 00:20
FurnaceBoyw00tFeb 19 00:20
sebsebsebExt3 no problemFeb 19 00:20
sebsebsebExt4,  I re installed Vista twice and it happended both timesFeb 19 00:20
sebsebsebwiped out Ext4Feb 19 00:20
Ender2070_nubFeb 19 00:20
sebsebsebapparnatly it also happended to the friend of a guyFeb 19 00:20
Ender2070_try not installing windowsFeb 19 00:20
sebsebsebEnder2070_: I told it to install in freespace, but then bangFeb 19 00:21
sebsebsebbye bye Ext4Feb 19 00:21
sebsebsebfirst time round I lost data,  and got most of it back with test diskFeb 19 00:21
sebsebsebsecond time not so lucky, but whatever I lost,  not important anywayFeb 19 00:21
FurnaceBoyEnder2070_: :):)Feb 19 00:21
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: hm, better blog it :)Feb 19 00:21
sebsebsebnow days I got external 1TB hard disk, and should back some stuff up to it reallyFeb 19 00:21
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: heh hehFeb 19 00:22
sebsebsebEnder2070_: I hardly ever boot up WindowsFeb 19 00:22
sebsebsebon hereFeb 19 00:22
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: that sounds nasty, really.Feb 19 00:22
sebsebsebEnder2070_: I was thinking earlier about when I would next time,  I guess when that brwoser ballot screen comes out for EuropeFeb 19 00:23
sebsebsebwell Vista might not get itFeb 19 00:23
sebsebsebget the updates and get the screen I am thinkingFeb 19 00:23
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: I used to also like Vista  kind of, and sometimes defend it maybe a bit, but now days I won'tFeb 19 00:24
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: what changed?Feb 19 00:24
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: or I won't normalley. and  I reolized soon after the Ext4 got removed,  that the reason I kind of liked Vista,  was really only, because of the  pictures it came with, not the OS itselfFeb 19 00:24
FurnaceBoyhahaFeb 19 00:25
FurnaceBoyyes -- it's like, what do people miss when they switch to Mac? in my experience, what they miss most, are MSN Messenger custom smilies. Seriously.Feb 19 00:25
sebsebsebI hardly ever booted up Vista anywayFeb 19 00:25
sebsebsebalso I was re installing, since I wanted to have some fun destroying Vista by the wayFeb 19 00:25
FurnaceBoyoh, and Solitaire.Feb 19 00:26
sebsebsebwanted to destroy it twice, before doing a proper install againFeb 19 00:26
sebsebsebbefore that, I had an install,  that I had installed lots of  junk add ons,  the Windows  gadjects side menu whatever it isFeb 19 00:26
sebsebsebthought one time I would install loads of that, to try stuff out you knowFeb 19 00:26
sebsebsebyeah  Windows Live Messenger loads of people locke in to that, they want it on Ubuntu as wellFeb 19 00:27
sebsebsebas for solitare well that's changed from XP to Vista,  I think better in XP for those card games,  than in VistaFeb 19 00:27
MinceRi used to like the Sylfaen font shipped with winxpFeb 19 00:27
MinceRbut i've found better serif fonts sinceFeb 19 00:27
MinceR(Bitstream Charter, Bitstream ZapfElliptical711)Feb 19 00:28
MinceR(slab serif, actually)Feb 19 00:28
sebsebsebyeah Windows itself sucks  reallyFeb 19 00:28
sebsebsebit's just their are certain programs people want that run on WindowsFeb 19 00:28
sebsebsebor hardware that only works properly with itFeb 19 00:28
MinceRi also liked Verdana until i found out how good Bitstream Vera looks if i turn hinting down to Slight :>Feb 19 00:28
FurnaceBoyMinceR: if yuo like those, you might like UtopiaFeb 19 00:29
FurnaceBoyhaha, yes, I run Slight hinting.Feb 19 00:29
sebsebsebMinceR: you can install Microsoft fonts into Linux distroFeb 19 00:29
MinceRcheckingFeb 19 00:29
MinceRsebsebseb: i knowFeb 19 00:29
MinceRi used to use themFeb 19 00:29
MinceRutopia looks way too conventional, imo :>Feb 19 00:29
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: Utopia what's that, sounds a bit familurFeb 19 00:29
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: typefaceFeb 19 00:29
FurnaceBoyMinceR: i'm not crazy about it, myselfFeb 19 00:29
MinceR:)Feb 19 00:30
FurnaceBoyMinceR: another one, check out Unger's Swift. Pure genius.Feb 19 00:30
MinceRnot badFeb 19 00:30
MinceRi prefer Charter and ZapfElliptical711 to it though :)Feb 19 00:31
MinceR(the latter is the same as Melior, and is my favorite serif font)Feb 19 00:31
FurnaceBoythat's allowed!Feb 19 00:31
FurnaceBoyyes the latter is Melior.Feb 19 00:31
FurnaceBoyi used it for a newspaper once.Feb 19 00:31
FurnaceBoyMinceR: hm, check out Meridien, BreughelFeb 19 00:32
DaemonFCweird error, fixed thoughFeb 19 00:32
DaemonFCno reason for thatFeb 19 00:32
MinceRMeridien is strange :)Feb 19 00:32
sebsebsebpropritary software tends to have good softwareFeb 19 00:32
sebsebsebuhFeb 19 00:32
sebsebsebpicturesFeb 19 00:32
sebsebsebgraphicsFeb 19 00:32
FurnaceBoyMinceR: yeah the serifs are unconventional.Feb 19 00:33
sebsebseband  opensource/freesoftware tends to not be that good for thatFeb 19 00:33
*DaemonFC copies the makefile he just had to hand-editFeb 19 00:33
MinceRbreughel seems to be more of a decorative font :)Feb 19 00:33
FurnaceBoyMinceR: i wonder if it's the same one. what url are you looking at?Feb 19 00:33
MinceRhttp://www.linotype.com/48541/breughel-family.htmlFeb 19 00:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Download Breughel® Font Family - Linotype.com .::. Size~: 124.51 KBFeb 19 00:33
sebsebsebMicrosoft are more of an art company than a software company, when it comes to what is good :DFeb 19 00:33
MinceRi was probably influenced by the other search results thoughFeb 19 00:33
MinceRhttp://www.linotype.com/searchresult?q=breughelFeb 19 00:34
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linotype Font Finder - Search Results .::. Size~: 128.85 KBFeb 19 00:34
FurnaceBoyMinceR: yes that's the oneFeb 19 00:34
FurnaceBoyBreughel is a text faceFeb 19 00:34
MinceReven though they aren't exact matchesFeb 19 00:34
FurnaceBoysince you're on Linotype, check out Frutiger SerifFeb 19 00:34
MinceRit's a lot like MeridienFeb 19 00:35
FurnaceBoyyeah, same designerFeb 19 00:35
FurnaceBoyhm, also see: Serifa, GlyphaFeb 19 00:35
FurnaceBoytheir rasteriser on this site is ugly. Feb 19 00:35
FurnaceBoythat can't be good for salesFeb 19 00:35
MinceRas for sans serifs, Eurostile is niceFeb 19 00:35
FurnaceBoyFontShop's is betterFeb 19 00:35
MinceRi'm not sure if Linotype caresFeb 19 00:36
FurnaceBoyapparently not :)Feb 19 00:36
FurnaceBoyhm, a kickass sans I found recently: Alto Pro (fontshop)Feb 19 00:36
MinceRthey seem to have exclusive access to the supposedly "original" versions of fonts :>Feb 19 00:36
FurnaceBoyMinceR: yeah but why rasterise them badly?Feb 19 00:36
MinceRperhaps they're expecting a different gamma curveFeb 19 00:37
FurnaceBoynoFeb 19 00:37
FurnaceBoyit's a hinting problemFeb 19 00:37
MinceRor what do you mean?Feb 19 00:37
FurnaceBoyspend some time on FontShop and you'll see the differenceFeb 19 00:37
FurnaceBoycheck out FS's Alto ProFeb 19 00:37
FurnaceBoyawesome sans. and not cheap. :/Feb 19 00:37
MinceRdunno, it's a very different font :)Feb 19 00:38
FurnaceBoyyeah but you won't see the same bad hinting artefactsFeb 19 00:38
MinceRedges not fitting pixels?Feb 19 00:39
FurnaceBoythe hinting is introducing irregularitiesFeb 19 00:39
FurnaceBoyit should be cranked down more like 'slight' imhoFeb 19 00:39
FurnaceBoyas FontShop's isFeb 19 00:39
FurnaceBoyit's hard to do well. I think http://veer.com has a good previewer, but i rarely go thereFeb 19 00:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Stock Photos, Stock Illustration, Typefaces: Veer .::. Size~: 21.39 KBFeb 19 00:40
FurnaceBoysome independents that i like: http://www.vllg.com/ http://klim.co.nz/ http://www.typerepublic.com/ http://www.felicianotypefoundry.com/Feb 19 00:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Village Version 2.0 .::. Size~: 9.74 KBFeb 19 00:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Klim Type Foundry .::. Size~: 7.77 KBFeb 19 00:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Typerepublic: the republic of type .::. Size~: 7.89 KBFeb 19 00:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Feliciano Type Foundry .::. Size~: 0.39 KBFeb 19 00:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: http://twitter.com/sherriwilson/status/9308556758Feb 19 00:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / sherriwilson: AMEN RT @cdashiell: I don' ... .::. Size~: 9.79 KBFeb 19 00:43
FurnaceBoyMinceR: Swift http://typetide.tumblr.com/page/2#214537257Feb 19 00:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Type Tide | fonts in use .::. Size~: 24.69 KBFeb 19 00:45
FurnaceBoyMinceR: I am looking for an excuse to use this one day. I love it! http://klim.co.nz/national_samples.phpFeb 19 00:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Klim / Retail / National Samples .::. Size~: 7.07 KBFeb 19 00:46
DaemonFCnow it won't build the deb filesFeb 19 00:47
DaemonFCit just hangsFeb 19 00:47
MinceRniceFeb 19 00:47
MinceRNational, that isFeb 19 00:48
FurnaceBoyyeah!Feb 19 00:49
MinceRgnFeb 19 00:49
FurnaceBoyniteFeb 19 00:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #Microsoft cuddles up to #GNU #Linux using its MVPs, usually in order to insert Trojan horses into it http://ur1.ca/mq0aFeb 19 00:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The “Microsoft Everywhere” Vision of Novell | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 96.96 KBFeb 19 00:52
DaemonFChttp://www.swfcabin.com/swf-files/1265689478.swfFeb 19 00:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Not a web page! Aborting application/x-shockwave-flash type .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 19 00:52
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: here's a more positive approach to performance mismatches in late high school https://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/02/18/190236Feb 19 00:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot | New Plan Lets Top HS Students Graduate 2 Years Early .::. Size~: 155.93 KBFeb 19 00:53
DaemonFCjust shoot the ones who can't keep upFeb 19 00:58
DaemonFCthat'll motivate themFeb 19 00:58
FurnaceBoyhow? they'll be deadFeb 19 00:58
DaemonFCmotivate them to not be deadFeb 19 00:58
FurnaceBoybit late, isn't it?Feb 19 00:58
DaemonFCnot until you shoot themFeb 19 00:59
FurnaceBoyi think i 've found a flaw in your proposalFeb 19 00:59
FurnaceBoydude. if people can't flunk high school, where will you get the next generation of marines from?Feb 19 00:59
DaemonFCgood pointFeb 19 01:00
DaemonFCconscriptionFeb 19 01:00
FurnaceBoyhehFeb 19 01:00
DaemonFCdraft all the ones who did good enough in school to pass but were just about the "shooting them" lineFeb 19 01:00
DaemonFC*aboveFeb 19 01:01
DaemonFCthen have the ones that graduated all 12 grades of high school working on Hunter Killers and T-600s and shitFeb 19 01:03
DaemonFCand then send those things over to kill brown peopleFeb 19 01:04
FurnaceBoyMy Salon Premium is expiring and I don't think I care.Feb 19 01:25
*yuhong has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558])Feb 19 01:27
tessierEven Marines need a certain minimal amount of intelligence.Feb 19 01:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wakeup Call to #Google , Regarding Software Patents http://ur1.ca/mq4y #swpat #search #hadoop #yahooFeb 19 01:40
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Wakeup Call to Google, Regarding Software Patents | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 94.89 KBFeb 19 01:40
DaemonFCEnder2070_, http://forum.zomgstuff.net/showpost.php?p=209043&postcount=11Feb 19 01:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ZomgStuff Forum - View Single Post -  Fox News Hits an All Time Low .::. Size~: 30.94 KBFeb 19 01:44
DaemonFCI worked on this a bit more :)Feb 19 01:44
schestowitzDaemonFC: you're a peary Ballmer now?Feb 19 01:47
DaemonFCuh huhFeb 19 01:47
schestowitzBite me :-)Feb 19 01:47
schestowitzPears are my favourite fruit since I was like 2Feb 19 01:47
schestowitzMaybe mango later, but never mindFeb 19 01:48
DaemonFCwell, now you can have pears and "The Man" at the same time :)Feb 19 01:48
schestowitzNo, thanksFeb 19 01:48
schestowitzI actually think I can no longer eat this fruit after thisFeb 19 01:48
schestowitzSome other exec ruins apples for me tooFeb 19 01:48
schestowitz:-)Feb 19 01:48
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIk4qTKmKzEFeb 19 01:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Zune Balmer .::. Size~: 111.57 KBFeb 19 01:49
DaemonFCstill the best video everFeb 19 01:49
schestowitzPearhead listens to iPod?Feb 19 01:49
DaemonFC:DFeb 19 01:49
DaemonFCthe ending is the bestFeb 19 01:49
DaemonFC"Welcome to the So-So" :)Feb 19 01:50
FurnaceBoytessier: without a certain minimal amount of intelligence you won't *start* high school. :)Feb 19 01:52
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8M6S8EKbnUFeb 19 01:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- The best of Steve Ballmer .::. Size~: 131.62 KBFeb 19 01:53
*DaemonFC wonders if he can find the old Windows 3.0 Reversi and run it on WineFeb 19 01:54
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: i'd be pretty certain there is an open source equivalentFeb 19 01:54
DaemonFCyeah, but memories you knowFeb 19 01:55
DaemonFCand that was like a $5 value at no extra chargeFeb 19 01:55
DaemonFC:)Feb 19 01:55
DaemonFC40,000 users install XP and support calls go down?Feb 19 01:56
DaemonFCWhat could they have possibly been using before? :)Feb 19 01:56
FurnaceBoyMulticsFeb 19 01:57
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, That's not fair to MulticsFeb 19 01:57
DaemonFCI'm sorry, I just have to stop you on thatFeb 19 01:57
DaemonFC:)Feb 19 01:57
FurnaceBoyyou're quite right, it was a poor attempt at humourFeb 19 01:58
*FurnaceBoy apologises to the channelFeb 19 01:58
DaemonFCHonestly I'd rather use anything than XP on my laptop but it's the only OS with working Radeon 200M driversFeb 19 01:58
DaemonFCI really should just buy a new laptop and avoid integrated AMD chipsetsFeb 19 01:59
DaemonFCwell, not really XP, it's Windows FLPFeb 19 01:59
DaemonFCbut more or less XPFeb 19 01:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s General Manager of ‘Trustworthy’ Computing Quits as TPM Gets Cracked http://ur1.ca/mq70Feb 19 02:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsofts General Manager of Trustworthy Computing Quits as TPM Gets Cracked | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 92.51 KBFeb 19 02:00
DaemonFCFLP was kind of an unbloated XP meant as an upgrade for old 9x systemsFeb 19 02:00
FurnaceBoyhm, now *that's* gotta be worth reading (TPM)Feb 19 02:00
*FurnaceBoy scurries off to BNFeb 19 02:01
DaemonFCIt won't let you install .Net 3 or later for some reasonFeb 19 02:01
cubezzzof course, everything can be cracked given enough effortFeb 19 02:01
DaemonFCI don't even know if I have a TPM in this systemFeb 19 02:01
cubezzzit would be foolish to think otherwiseFeb 19 02:01
DaemonFCI know Linux can use a TPMFeb 19 02:01
schestowitzDaemonFOX has a crush on BallmerFeb 19 02:01
schestowitzIt's like when people fall in love with someone who preys on them like a stalkerFeb 19 02:02
cubezzzsounds like a mental illnessFeb 19 02:02
DaemonFCI love Ballmer, he's awesome, I want to go have a beer with BallmerFeb 19 02:02
DaemonFC:DFeb 19 02:02
cubezzzdoze-o-mania is a terrible disease :)Feb 19 02:02
DaemonFChmmm, looks like they're flushing some pretty heinous bugs out of the Linux 2.6.32 branch alreadyFeb 19 02:03
DaemonFCincluding dozens of bugs in Ext4Feb 19 02:03
DaemonFCincluding some HV workFeb 19 02:08
DaemonFCthat should thrill schestowitz Feb 19 02:08
*ThistleWeb (~gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb) has joined #boycottnovellFeb 19 02:08
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: money talksFeb 19 02:08
DaemonFC drivers/staging/hv/Hv.c               |   50 ++++++-------Feb 19 02:09
DaemonFC drivers/staging/hv/Hv.h               |    6 -Feb 19 02:09
DaemonFC drivers/staging/hv/Vmbus.c            |   12 +--Feb 19 02:09
DaemonFCMicrosoft disappearsFeb 19 02:09
DaemonFCGreg KH bitches and threatens to pull HV out and delete itFeb 19 02:09
DaemonFCMicrosoft comes back and throws in 2-3 patches to keep it inFeb 19 02:09
DaemonFCrepeatFeb 19 02:10
DaemonFCdo they want it in or not?Feb 19 02:10
DaemonFCthey keep acting like it's someone elses job to make sure their driver is kernel-worthyFeb 19 02:10
DaemonFCit's been in staging for almost a year nowFeb 19 02:11
DaemonFCI think the only people that care are Microsoft and NovellFeb 19 02:11
DaemonFCI wonder if their cooperation is this tight on everything, MS disappears and Novell can't find them, email doesn't get answeredFeb 19 02:12
schestowitz"I have been reading a lot of tweets about how Novell is no good and how we should Boycott Novell. Novell doesn't care about you or me!" http://twitter.com/SytechComputing/statuses/9305336886Feb 19 02:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Sytech: I have been reading a lot  ... .::. Size~: 9.79 KBFeb 19 02:13
schestowitzHmmmmmm... turns out we're in the front page of Linux TodayFeb 19 02:13
schestowitzWith server caching it's hardly noticeableFeb 19 02:14
DaemonFCI think staying on 2.6.32 might just be prudentFeb 19 02:14
DaemonFCno bugs added (hopefully), couple dozen fixed every weekFeb 19 02:14
schestowitzDaemonFC: when is this from?Feb 19 02:15
schestowitzThe hyped-up-V?Feb 19 02:15
DaemonFCschestowitz, What? Hyper-V?Feb 19 02:15
schestowitzIs is the same as December's?Feb 19 02:15
DaemonFCJanuary 25, Linux 2.6.32.6Feb 19 02:15
schestowitzOr beforehand, when gre k-h whined?Feb 19 02:15
schestowitz*greg (he serves them loyally because his employer's life supply is MSFT)Feb 19 02:15
schestowitzMicrosoft couldn't even write its own hypervisorFeb 19 02:16
schestowitzIt bought one around 2007Feb 19 02:16
DaemonFCyeah, he said something about going on a binge and fixing like over 200 bugs in hv as presented by MicrosoftFeb 19 02:16
DaemonFCthey can't code worth a shit, who knew?Feb 19 02:16
DaemonFChe remarked at that time that that only made it good enough for stagingFeb 19 02:16
DaemonFClolFeb 19 02:17
schestowitzhttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/18/2344239/Tenenbaums-Final-Brief-mdash-675K-Award-Too-HighFeb 19 02:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Tenenbaum's Final Brief — $675K Award Too High .::. Size~: 144.01 KBFeb 19 02:17
DaemonFCI don't know that they deliberately gave him bad code or if that's jsut how they're used to coding for WindowsFeb 19 02:17
schestowitzDaemonFC: so it's old news, right?Feb 19 02:17
DaemonFCeither one is kind of scaryFeb 19 02:17
DaemonFCthe bitching part is old newsFeb 19 02:17
schestowitzIf it happeend again, then I'm interestedFeb 19 02:18
DaemonFCthe working on it part is recentFeb 19 02:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: it's not reallyFeb 19 02:18
schestowitzLink?Feb 19 02:18
DaemonFChttp://lwn.net/Articles/371003/Feb 19 02:18
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux 2.6.32.6  [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 10.31 KBFeb 19 02:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Goodmorning tweeps! Welcome to day 3 of #ViBGYOR2010 . Screenings will start at 9 am on sangeeta Nataka Academy campusFeb 19 02:19
DaemonFCand the distros get together for a group hugFeb 19 02:19
DaemonFChttp://lwn.net/Articles/371788/Feb 19 02:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux 2.6.32.7  [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 18.98 KBFeb 19 02:19
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/11/novell-microsoft-paradise-tiff/Feb 19 02:19
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Trouble in Novell/Microsoft Paradise | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.96 KBFeb 19 02:19
DaemonFC"This release is brought to you by the very appreciated efforts of the Debian, Gentoo, and Novell kernel teams, who spent a lot of time to flush out patches that were in their trees to me for inclusion."Feb 19 02:19
schestowitzDaemonFC: where?Feb 19 02:20
schestowitzhe says nada about hyped-up-VeeFeb 19 02:20
DaemonFCschestowitz, it's just in the changelogFeb 19 02:20
schestowitzIn fact, the page has no such strings foundFeb 19 02:20
DaemonFClook for thatFeb 19 02:20
schestowitzNoFeb 19 02:21
schestowitzIt's no big dealFeb 19 02:21
schestowitzFail. :-pFeb 19 02:21
schestowitzAlas, maybe it'll come up laterFeb 19 02:21
schestowitzhttp://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/02/18/200231/Linux-Action-Show-ReturnsFeb 19 02:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Linux Story | Linux Action Show Returns .::. Size~: 110.56 KBFeb 19 02:22
schestowitzI don't like this showFeb 19 02:22
schestowitzAnd they don't like us, eitherFeb 19 02:23
schestowitzSo who cares if it's back? Feb 19 02:23
schestowitzDaemonFC: you should start an audiocastFeb 19 02:23
schestowitzCover Linux stuff, you're good at thatFeb 19 02:23
DaemonFChehFeb 19 02:23
schestowitzI could embed it in BN's front page periodicallyFeb 19 02:24
schestowitzWill get thousands of views (~1000)Feb 19 02:24
schestowitzas Ogg of courseFeb 19 02:24
DaemonFCright now I'm trying to beat Ubuntu into packaging a nice kernel for meFeb 19 02:24
DaemonFCcomplete with deb files :)Feb 19 02:24
DaemonFCit's fighting meFeb 19 02:25
schestowitzSo talk about itFeb 19 02:25
schestowitz5 minutesFeb 19 02:25
schestowitzscp the ogg to usFeb 19 02:25
DaemonFCwell, they "abduct" the kernel packaging system from Debian, but not many Ubuntu users want to compile a kernel so nobody seems to check if it works or not I guessFeb 19 02:25
DaemonFC:DFeb 19 02:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Toby's Postulate: Each one of your most cherished #coding habits drives someone else on your team bloodshot-eye, foam-at-the-mouth crazy.Feb 19 02:26
DaemonFCthe make-kpkg in Debian is a thing of beautyFeb 19 02:26
DaemonFCall the RPM kernel package managers I've seen are pretty unwieldyFeb 19 02:26
DaemonFCFedora does mitigate that with Koji thoughFeb 19 02:27
DaemonFCjust grab the latest of whatever it built and use it :)Feb 19 02:27
schestowitzhttp://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18542-typos-may-earn-google-500m-a-year.htmlFeb 19 02:28
DaemonFCThat's what's cool about Fedora, you can snag anything you want right out of their build system and sometimes it's even beyond currentFeb 19 02:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Typos may earn Google $500m a year - tech - 17 February 2010 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 54.13 KBFeb 19 02:28
schestowitzKoji?Feb 19 02:28
DaemonFCyesFeb 19 02:28
schestowitzfunny name.. isn't that a dog breed?Feb 19 02:28
schestowitzMy ex-g/f liked that typeFeb 19 02:28
DaemonFCkoji.fedoraproject.orgFeb 19 02:28
DaemonFClike if I use Fedora, and I want the bleeding edge kernel, I go and search kernel on koji and it brings all the packages I need upFeb 19 02:29
DaemonFChttp://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=8Feb 19 02:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: kernel | Package Info | Koji .::. Size~: 33.02 KBFeb 19 02:30
DaemonFClike on Fedora 12, I'd grab from here http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=157041Feb 19 02:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: kernel-2.6.32.8-58.fc12 | Build Info | Koji .::. Size~: 80.79 KBFeb 19 02:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 Wife of prosperity gospel televangelist Benny Hinn files for divorce http://bit.ly/cdZ69C // "can't buy me love, love..."Feb 19 02:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Wife of prosperity gospel televangelist Benny Hinn files for divorce in California - latimes.com .::. Size~: 97.77 KBFeb 19 02:31
schestowitzHmmmmmmmmm...... :-( http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk5NAFeb 19 02:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] Issues Within The X.Org Foundation? .::. Size~: 18.79 KBFeb 19 02:36
DaemonFCI just forced in kernel-package from LucidFeb 19 02:36
schestowitzThey also shortened their public appearancesFeb 19 02:37
schestowitzWhat do you need a newer kernel for?Feb 19 02:37
schestowitzYou got features fetish?Feb 19 02:37
DaemonFCcause I like to mess with shitFeb 19 02:37
DaemonFC:)Feb 19 02:37
schestowitzI reckon you just pose around with new experimental stuffFeb 19 02:37
DaemonFCusuallyFeb 19 02:37
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schestowitzAnd then go around channels trolling them over ext4 doing funny stuffFeb 19 02:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Christians & watchdogs call Benny Hinn teachings false & accuse him of self-enrichment? Nonsense, he wires the #money direct to #GOD #mtcnFeb 19 02:38
DaemonFCExt4 is the devilFeb 19 02:38
schestowitzNopeFeb 19 02:38
schestowitzI've used it happilyFeb 19 02:38
DaemonFCXFS ftw! :)Feb 19 02:38
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schestowitzX-| FSFeb 19 02:38
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schestowitzShut your eyes, hope for da bestFeb 19 02:39
yuhongLooks like this article confuse Trustworthy Computing with Trusted Computing, NOT the same thing.Feb 19 02:39
yuhonghttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/18/george-stathakopoulos-jumps-ship/#comment-82781Feb 19 02:39
DaemonFCschestowitz, If you must know, I'm mainly trying to get this to build so I can play around with brainfuck schedulerFeb 19 02:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsofts General Manager of Trustworthy Computing Quits as TPM Gets Cracked | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.3 KBFeb 19 02:39
DaemonFChmmm, new kernel-package seems to be workingFeb 19 02:40
yuhongschestowitz: Looks like this article confuse Trustworthy Computing with Trusted Computing, NOT the same thing.Feb 19 02:41
DaemonFCYAY!!Feb 19 02:41
DaemonFCschestowitz, I share the concern that CFS sucksFeb 19 02:41
DaemonFCit's not as unresponsive as the last one wasFeb 19 02:41
DaemonFCbut it's hardly idealFeb 19 02:41
DaemonFCthey keep trying to make Linux optimized for servers onlyFeb 19 02:42
schestowitzhttp://blog.nixternal.com/2010.02.18/please-say-fedora/Feb 19 02:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Please say Fedora  ::  Richard A. Johnson .::. Size~: 32.31 KBFeb 19 02:42
DaemonFCeventually I think brainfuck will get into the kernel when all this devices and distros use itFeb 19 02:42
DaemonFCand are bitching at Linus asking him why it's not thereFeb 19 02:42
DaemonFChe usually caves in to big companiesFeb 19 02:42
schestowitzyuhong: noFeb 19 02:42
DaemonFCwhen=withFeb 19 02:43
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Linus is incorruptible!Feb 19 02:43
schestowitzthe departure of this guy is not related to TPMFeb 19 02:43
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Linus does whatever Red Hat or Novell tell him toFeb 19 02:43
schestowitzBut the name of his group was still funnyFeb 19 02:43
yuhongNope.Feb 19 02:43
yuhongYes, it is funny.Feb 19 02:43
DaemonFCbut if an individual has a good idea, it's not likely to get mergedFeb 19 02:43
schestowitzyuhong: the post is about TPMFeb 19 02:43
DaemonFChe's just that wayFeb 19 02:43
yuhongYep.Feb 19 02:43
schestowitzLater I found out about him quittingFeb 19 02:43
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: well that's a race to the bottom! we're doomed!Feb 19 02:43
schestowitzSo I made 1 post instead of 2Feb 19 02:43
schestowitzThat's the story reallyFeb 19 02:44
schestowitzThere's also the DRM elementFeb 19 02:44
schestowitzAll antifeaturesFeb 19 02:44
yuhongYes.Feb 19 02:44
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: then you get fact-checking irc blowback! Feb 19 02:44
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, If Red Hat tells him to put in CFS cause it's great on servers, he'll do itFeb 19 02:44
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: take more careFeb 19 02:44
DaemonFCeven if it's unresponsive on a desktop PCFeb 19 02:44
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: blowback?Feb 19 02:44
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: he got given Alphas. he ported to Alpha.Feb 19 02:44
schestowitzThe CIA sense?Feb 19 02:44
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: he's a cheap-ass sellout biotch!Feb 19 02:44
yuhong"it’s a case of security as lock-in, to use the words of Bill Gates."Feb 19 02:44
yuhongReally?Feb 19 02:44
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I'm not familiar with that senseFeb 19 02:45
schestowitzyuhong: yes, TPMFeb 19 02:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: but this is a KICKASS article: http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_58560.shtmlFeb 19 02:45
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Roots of the CIA's Rendition and Black Sites Program | World News |Axisoflogic.com .::. Size~: 50.11 KBFeb 19 02:45
DaemonFCwell, moment of truthFeb 19 02:45
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: hold onFeb 19 02:45
FurnaceBoyyuhong: you must be familiar with the concept.Feb 19 02:45
yuhongYes, I am.Feb 19 02:45
schestowitzI have an excellent vid for uo...Feb 19 02:45
yuhongI am going to dig out an old IRC log.Feb 19 02:45
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2009/04/13/chalmers-johnson/Feb 19 02:46
phIRCe-BNcTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Chalmers Johnson on Coming Change .::. Size~: 31.27 KBFeb 19 02:46
DaemonFCyeehawFeb 19 02:46
DaemonFCholy shit I think I may just have a kernel here in a minuteFeb 19 02:46
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: looking. I have drunk the right amount of red wine to cope with a video.Feb 19 02:46
DaemonFCNote to self - Ubuntu has broken kernel-package in Karmic, go steal the one from Lucid from now onFeb 19 02:47
DaemonFC:)Feb 19 02:47
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ONE HOUR!Feb 19 02:47
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: my wife will be home before it ends!Feb 19 02:47
DaemonFCI hate it when they do this shitFeb 19 02:48
yuhonghttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/irc-log-03022010.htmlFeb 19 02:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 3rd, 2010 .::. Size~: 529.13 KBFeb 19 02:48
*FurnaceBoy watchesFeb 19 02:48
DaemonFCHOLY FUCKING DOGSHIT!Feb 19 02:48
DaemonFC3 hours laterFeb 19 02:48
DaemonFCTHANK YOU!Feb 19 02:48
yuhongNope, sorry.Feb 19 02:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you don't build kernels oftenFeb 19 02:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it helps when you keep a rolling configFeb 19 02:49
DaemonFCthat wasn't the problemFeb 19 02:49
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: limits the painFeb 19 02:49
DaemonFCit was their packaging scriptsFeb 19 02:49
FurnaceBoyokFeb 19 02:49
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: why does he pin separation of powers on the Romans and not the French?Feb 19 02:49
*FurnaceBoy continues to watchFeb 19 02:50
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Yes I know I can install the kernel manually, I don't like to go outside of dpkg thoughFeb 19 02:50
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: ahFeb 19 02:50
DaemonFCit's not a good ideaFeb 19 02:50
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: but you still need to keep a .config fed and wateredFeb 19 02:50
DaemonFCyesFeb 19 02:50
DaemonFCI can has brainfuck when I rebootFeb 19 02:50
FurnaceBoysickoFeb 19 02:50
DaemonFCI had a good brainfuck over the last 3 hoursFeb 19 02:51
yuhongIn fact, TPM is a standard, so it is not lock-in.Feb 19 02:51
DaemonFCmy brainfuck has been doing a lot of brainfuckingFeb 19 02:51
FurnaceBoyyuhong: wait a minute, are you denying the concept of lock-in via DRM/"security" implementations?Feb 19 02:51
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, If he had named it something less amusing, I may not have noticed it at allFeb 19 02:51
yuhongI am not, however TPM is a standard.Feb 19 02:52
FurnaceBoyokFeb 19 02:52
FurnaceBoyyuhong: it is a standard which can be abused to further lock-in.Feb 19 02:52
DaemonFCso this thing should haul some assFeb 19 02:52
FurnaceBoyyuhong: further, it's a primary goalFeb 19 02:52
yuhongReally?Feb 19 02:52
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: why are you interested in BfFeb 19 02:52
FurnaceBoyyuhong: yes, and i believe that is an obvious inferenceFeb 19 02:53
DaemonFCcause it's low latency for small systems (under a few dozen CPUs)Feb 19 02:53
DaemonFCjust liek cfs lied and said it wasFeb 19 02:53
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: ohhh i thought you meant Brainf*ck the languageFeb 19 02:53
FurnaceBoy(which is practically useless)Feb 19 02:53
DaemonFCbrbFeb 19 02:53
DaemonFCI have to reboot and get brainfuckedFeb 19 02:53
*DaemonFC feels the excitement buildingFeb 19 02:54
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yuhongFurnaceBoy: Yes, I know in theory that it can be used to further lock-inFeb 19 02:56
yuhongBy laying things on top of it.Feb 19 02:56
FurnaceBoyyeahFeb 19 02:56
FurnaceBoyjust checking :)Feb 19 02:56
FurnaceBoyand of course nobody would use it for thatFeb 19 02:57
FurnaceBoywho could possibly have a motive...Feb 19 02:57
yuhongBut why do you think it is a primary goal.Feb 19 02:57
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: there are shorter videos from ChalmersFeb 19 02:58
schestowitzWhere he tells his thesis more succinctlyFeb 19 02:58
schestowitzhttp://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/google-faces-class-action-lawsuit-over-buzz/?cs=39507Feb 19 02:59
schestowitzHeh.Feb 19 02:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google Faces Class-Action Lawsuit over Buzz | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 75.12 KBFeb 19 02:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it needs a transcript. if i like it enough, i might make one :)Feb 19 02:59
schestowitzSome people could lose a girlfriend over this Google gaffeFeb 19 02:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: worseFeb 19 02:59
yuhongschestowitz: "according to mail he sent us last night regarding TPM getting cracked."Feb 19 02:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: some people could be killed over it.Feb 19 02:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: examples existFeb 19 02:59
yuhongLast words links to be an unrelated article.Feb 19 02:59
yuhongFrom http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/18/george-stathakopoulos-jumps-ship/.Feb 19 03:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 19 03:00
yuhonghttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/18/george-stathakopoulos-jumps-ship/Feb 19 03:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsofts General Manager of Trustworthy Computing Quits as TPM Gets Cracked | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 94 KBFeb 19 03:00
yuhongschestowitz: "according to mail he sent us last night regarding TPM getting cracked."Feb 19 03:00
yuhongLast words links to be an unrelated article.Feb 19 03:00
schestowitzLet's check....Feb 19 03:00
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Girl And The Robot http://ur1.ca/mqch !miotdFeb 19 03:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Girl And The Robot on Vimeo .::. Size~: 71.51 KBFeb 19 03:02
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yuhonghttp://www.prevx.com/blog/143/BSOD-after-MS-TDL-authors-apologize.htmlFeb 19 03:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BSOD after MS10-015? TDL3 authors "apologize" .::. Size~: 12.71 KBFeb 19 03:02
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the intelligent commentators are getting old. Mailer is dead already (a neocon opponent). Chomsky ages.Feb 19 03:03
schestowitzyuhong: rootkitFeb 19 03:03
yuhongYep.Feb 19 03:03
schestowitzThat's what I gotFeb 19 03:03
yuhongHow is that related to "according to mail he sent us last night regarding TPM getting cracked."Feb 19 03:03
schestowitzThere are other articlesFeb 19 03:03
yuhongYes, but how is that related to "according to mail he sent us last night regarding TPM getting cracked."Feb 19 03:03
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Pinter dead. http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2008/dec/25/pinter-theatreFeb 19 03:03
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The most provocative, poetic and influential playwright of his generation |Culture |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 83.48 KBFeb 19 03:03
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Hacker-extracts-crypto-key-from-TPM-chip-927077.htmlFeb 19 03:03
schestowitzhttp://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2010/02/10/tpm-security-cracked-wide-open/1Feb 19 03:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Hacker extracts crypto key from TPM chip - The H Security: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.93 KBFeb 19 03:04
phIRCe-BNcTitle: bit-tech.net | TPM security cracked wide open .::. Size~: 41.93 KBFeb 19 03:04
DaemonFCTHAT'S IT!!!Feb 19 03:04
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: long agoFeb 19 03:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yes.Feb 19 03:04
*DaemonFC goes off to kill Catalyst 10.2Feb 19 03:04
schestowitzHe had a good run at the Nobel thingFeb 19 03:04
yuhongThat is what the last words should have been pointed to.Feb 19 03:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: just saying. the anti-fascist statesmen are dying out.Feb 19 03:04
schestowitzHe was then on Charlie RoseFeb 19 03:04
schestowitzI don't like Rose after some showsFeb 19 03:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Mailer was a great loss. Truth to power.Feb 19 03:04
yuhongNot what it is currently pointing which is unrelated to TPM.Feb 19 03:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: have you read Mailer's political work?Feb 19 03:04
schestowitzRose is also buddied with scum of the Earth like MyhrvoldFeb 19 03:04
schestowitz*buddiesFeb 19 03:04
FurnaceBoyMyhrvold is sub-human.Feb 19 03:05
schestowitzRose is a defender of his country's party lineFeb 19 03:05
DaemonFCDo not go near 10.2Feb 19 03:05
DaemonFCit's awfulFeb 19 03:05
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: Zinn.Feb 19 03:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Mailer was a principal organiser of the million man march on Washington anti-Vietnam; was arrested; had balls and brainsFeb 19 03:05
schestowitzYet Rush gets to liveFeb 19 03:05
schestowitzBlechFeb 19 03:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: march on Pentagon*Feb 19 03:06
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1591069/ex-army-bloke-us-ready-cyber-warFeb 19 03:06
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j-OodvoFRhEcpfvnK5C7YL6JWJBQD9DO79A81Feb 19 03:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle:             Ex-army bloke says the us is not ready for cyber war - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 69.41 KBFeb 19 03:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Associated Press: Security chip that does encryption in PCs hacked .::. Size~: 16.34 KBFeb 19 03:06
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: the Penta Goon?Feb 19 03:07
yuhonghttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/18/george-stathakopoulos-jumps-ship/#comment-82784Feb 19 03:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsofts General Manager of Trustworthy Computing Quits as TPM Gets Cracked | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 94.51 KBFeb 19 03:07
schestowitzThey fabricateFeb 19 03:07
FurnaceBoywow, this is a great obituary. Pinter was a humanist, artist, mensch; no wonder he opposed the evil of IraqFeb 19 03:08
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yuhongI mean, what does rootkits have to do with TPM cracking.Feb 19 03:09
schestowitzyuhong: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/18/george-stathakopoulos-jumps-ship/#comment-82785Feb 19 03:09
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsofts General Manager of Trustworthy Computing Quits as TPM Gets Cracked | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 95.95 KBFeb 19 03:09
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: didn't he sort of escape the Nazis in Poland?Feb 19 03:10
schestowitz[His parents at least]Feb 19 03:10
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schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8522004.stmFeb 19 03:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 88.36 KBFeb 19 03:12
schestowitzDiablo-D3: new kernel?Feb 19 03:12
schestowitz*DaemonFOXFeb 19 03:12
Diablo-D3royFeb 19 03:12
Diablo-D3tab complete fail is for failures.Feb 19 03:12
Diablo-D3dont be a failure.Feb 19 03:13
yuhongBTW, on Buzz, I had to post this response:Feb 19 03:13
yuhonghttp://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1555118&cid=31191262Feb 19 03:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slashdot Comments | Two Scoops of Buzz .::. Size~: 38.81 KBFeb 19 03:13
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/02/beck-barks-dog-protest-stimulus/Feb 19 03:14
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Glenn Beck barks like a mad dog to protest Obama stimulus |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 37.14 KBFeb 19 03:14
schestowitzDiablo-D3: thanks, I try :-)Feb 19 03:14
schestowitz'MSNBC host claims hate mail from Beck fans "most likely to contain death threats"' http://rawstory.com/2010/02/maddow-fires-beck-back-off/Feb 19 03:15
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Maddow to Beck: I didnt lie so back off |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 42.71 KBFeb 19 03:15
FurnaceBoy"Pinter was born into a Jewish family in the London borough of Hackney. His grandparents were Jews who had fled persecution in Poland and Odessa. " schestowitzFeb 19 03:15
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yes, other ppl on twitter report that hate mail from Tea Partiers is generally violent, misogynisticFeb 19 03:15
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: surprising nobodyFeb 19 03:16
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: see @drgrist for one recipient of wingnut hatemailFeb 19 03:16
schestowitz"Majority say Obama doesn’t deserve second term: CNN poll" http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/16/rel4a.pdfFeb 19 03:16
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBFeb 19 03:16
FurnaceBoy(follow him too)Feb 19 03:16
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: maybe Maddow should bleach it blonde to appease Beck & the Rednecks(R)Feb 19 03:17
FurnaceBoy"Pinter's suspicion of authority was manifested in an even more famous incident in the autumn of 1948. Receiving his call-up papers for National Service, he registered as a conscientious objector, thereby risking imprisonment. He was summoned before a series of increasingly Kafkaesque military tribunals, in the end escaping with a fine. "Feb 19 03:17
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he walked the talk.Feb 19 03:17
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: these are the men we're losing :|Feb 19 03:18
schestowitzSO walking the walk now means not to march?Feb 19 03:18
FurnaceBoyhe did more than march..Feb 19 03:19
schestowitzSOme get arrestedFeb 19 03:20
schestowitzMany activists get arrested at some stageFeb 19 03:20
schestowitzOr harassed at airportsFeb 19 03:20
DaemonFChmmm, kernel worksFeb 19 03:22
DaemonFCSELinux worksFeb 19 03:22
DaemonFCnothing blew upFeb 19 03:22
DaemonFCryan@ryan-desktop:~$ uname -aFeb 19 03:23
DaemonFCLinux ryan-desktop 2.6.32.8-ryan1 #2 SMP PREEMPT Thu Feb 18 21:32:21 EST 2010 x86_64 GNU/LinuxFeb 19 03:23
DaemonFC:)Feb 19 03:23
DaemonFCI think it even woke up my graphics cardFeb 19 03:24
FurnaceBoyniceFeb 19 03:25
FurnaceBoygentoo has only cleared .31 so farFeb 19 03:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Okay... this is weird. Someone who calls himself "MyRoyFriend" is posting comments with my E-mail address... http://ur1.ca/mqf3Feb 19 03:26
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schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1592558/us-itc-investigate-apple-rimFeb 19 03:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle:             Us itc to investigate apple and rim - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 61.4 KBFeb 19 03:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Pistos paths with spaces are such a pain in #UNIX when trying to do non-trivial things, like when using find and xargs // nope: #RTFM!Feb 19 03:29
FurnaceBoyhttp://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/9316789875Feb 19 03:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Toby Thain: @Pistos paths with spaces  ... .::. Size~: 9.91 KBFeb 19 03:29
FurnaceBoyoopsFeb 19 03:29
FurnaceBoywrong chatFeb 19 03:29
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, It seems to manage my CPU core load better than CFSFeb 19 03:29
FurnaceBoyhehFeb 19 03:29
DaemonFChttp://img685.imageshack.us/img685/975/screenshot1nk.pngFeb 19 03:31
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DaemonFCdefragging :)Feb 19 03:35
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, I noticed before that Tickless caused a lot of the glitches Pulseaudio was supposedly fixingFeb 19 03:42
DaemonFCIt would be nice if distros only had Tickless on laptopsFeb 19 03:42
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DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/Feb 19 03:43
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Index of /patches/bfs .::. Size~: 4.34 KBFeb 19 03:43
DaemonFCI recommend itFeb 19 03:43
DaemonFCafter 5 minutes of using itFeb 19 03:44
DaemonFCit'll feel like a new PC after you reboot from using CFSFeb 19 03:44
DaemonFChttp://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/supported_features.pngFeb 19 03:45
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DaemonFCheheFeb 19 03:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @santhoshtr: RT @ramkrsna: PEP 3146 , Unladen Swallow has been Accepted #python http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3146/Feb 19 03:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: PEP 3146 -- Merging Unladen Swallow into CPython .::. Size~: 126.94 KBFeb 19 03:47
DaemonFCschestowitz, I think not merging this shows how much of a control freak Linus Torvalds isFeb 19 03:47
DaemonFCit's not that large and onyl desktop users would use itFeb 19 03:47
DaemonFCit's not like Enterprise Linux had to touch itFeb 19 03:47
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: when linus gets out of hand, he will suffer caesar's fate :)Feb 19 03:49
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DaemonFCthey've merged hundred thousand line patches for things like JFS (useless)Feb 19 03:50
DaemonFCWhy is it that Linux has 20 file systems and no good CPU schedulers?Feb 19 03:50
DaemonFC"Does it respond when I push a button yet?" Linux Guys: "No, but here, have another file system!"Feb 19 03:51
DaemonFCJFS got in because IBM muscled it inFeb 19 03:54
DaemonFCit's barely even maintained, it's getting no new featuresFeb 19 03:54
DaemonFCthe last 5 years of JFS support from IBM has been 1 guy patching it enough to make sure the driver still buildsFeb 19 03:54
DaemonFCso I don't quite buy the "Who will maintain that?" argumentFeb 19 03:55
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schestowitzhttp://preview.thetyee.ca/Life/2010/02/05/WereAllHackers/ http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-02-18-002-35-NW-CY-0000Feb 19 03:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Tyee — We're All Hackers Now .::. Size~: 53.44 KBFeb 19 03:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux Today - We're All Hackers Now .::. Size~: 74.26 KBFeb 19 03:56
DaemonFCThat's what gripes me, schestowitz Linux is so sluggish even on reasonable hardware and that just disappears with the right out of tree patches and config optionsFeb 19 03:58
schestowitzWe have snow here...Feb 19 03:59
schestowitzDaemonFC: based on your screenshot, you're also sub-zeroFeb 19 03:59
DaemonFC27 FFeb 19 04:00
DaemonFCchillyFeb 19 04:00
schestowitzwhat's the logic behind Fahrenheit?Feb 19 04:00
schestowitzKalvin makes sneseFeb 19 04:00
schestowitzCelsius seems to just be based on one element: waterFeb 19 04:01
DaemonFCschestowitz, I don't know, but after >20 years of thinking in Fahrenheit, it's just what I "understand"Feb 19 04:01
DaemonFCwhat's horrible is how you can only best guess conversions without a calculator or a pen and paperFeb 19 04:02
DaemonFCalso 1 degree Celsius represents such a wide differenceFeb 19 04:03
DaemonFCmakes it hard for me to think in terms of CelsiusFeb 19 04:03
cubezzz20 C is nice, 0 C is freezing, what is so hard to understand?Feb 19 04:04
cubezzzwe switched to metric system in the 1970'sFeb 19 04:04
DaemonFC32 is freezing, 212 is boilingFeb 19 04:05
DaemonFC0 doesn't really mean anything specialFeb 19 04:05
DaemonFCnor does 100Feb 19 04:05
cubezzzwe use base 10 mathFeb 19 04:05
DaemonFCI'm not stupid, I just fail to see why I should careFeb 19 04:06
DaemonFCpersonally that isFeb 19 04:06
DaemonFC"Oh, it's a nice day out, must be 70 degrees!"Feb 19 04:06
DaemonFCperfectFeb 19 04:06
FurnaceBoywhy can't we all just get along!Feb 19 04:07
FurnaceBoy:)Feb 19 04:07
DaemonFC"Jesus Christ! Get inside before you suffocate, it's almost 100 degrees out here!"Feb 19 04:07
cubezzzyou're unadaptableFeb 19 04:07
DaemonFC"My balls are going to turn to ice and fall off if I don't get inside, it's gotta be 15 degrees!"Feb 19 04:07
cubezzzit's why you still use doze...Feb 19 04:07
DaemonFCI'm adaptable when it matters to meFeb 19 04:08
cubezzzyou're notFeb 19 04:08
DaemonFCa 70 degree day is perfectFeb 19 04:08
cubezzzclearly you're notFeb 19 04:08
DaemonFCso what makes Celsius degrees superior?Feb 19 04:09
cubezzzeven when most of the world uses the metric system, you guys cling to imperialFeb 19 04:09
DaemonFCthey're still an arbitrary reference pointFeb 19 04:09
schestowitz*LOL*Feb 19 04:09
schestowitz"I don't want to work for a toy computer company," Wood toldFeb 19 04:09
schestowitzBallmer. "I've got real iron here at Yale."Feb 19 04:09
schestowitz"Feb 19 04:09
schestowitzFrom a book I readFeb 19 04:09
DaemonFCsomeone just figured out where water boils and freezes and put a number thereFeb 19 04:09
DaemonFCsame as FahrenheitFeb 19 04:09
cubezzzscientists use the metric systemFeb 19 04:09
DaemonFCgood for themFeb 19 04:09
schestowitzNot alwaysFeb 19 04:10
DaemonFCthey could be in there tallying bananas and calling it a scientific processFeb 19 04:10
schestowitzTo calculate energy you transform to other scalesFeb 19 04:10
DaemonFCit's still just a scale with reference points and numbersFeb 19 04:10
DaemonFChttp://embeddedart.com/Feb 19 04:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Site Offline .::. Size~: 1.17 KBFeb 19 04:12
cubezzzit's a pain in the ass to mix systemsFeb 19 04:12
cubezzzif I what a part, I want a metric measurement, not an imperial oneFeb 19 04:12
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mks_system_of_unitsFeb 19 04:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: MKS system of units - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 31.31 KBFeb 19 04:13
cubezzzit's an international standard, the U.S. is just ass-backwardsFeb 19 04:14
FurnaceBoycubezzz: if you really want to go there... http://groups.google.com/group/sci.geo.geology/browse_frm/thread/8fabc2f7fe53d8e2/be1a8d09b92bd0eb#be1a8d09b92bd0ebFeb 19 04:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   sci.geo.geology |  Google Groups   .::. Size~: 27.54 KBFeb 19 04:17
FurnaceBoy^^ recent ultimate Metric / Imperial flamewarFeb 19 04:17
DaemonFCmy mom wrote me a check a few weeks ago for almost all the money in her bank accountFeb 19 04:17
DaemonFCcause the IRS was going to levy itFeb 19 04:17
DaemonFCI handed it back to herFeb 19 04:17
cubezzzno, no, no flamewars pleaseFeb 19 04:17
DaemonFCthe money that isFeb 19 04:17
cubezzzit's purely a matter of simplicityFeb 19 04:17
DaemonFCI can definitely see why that guy crashed his plane into that IRS buildingFeb 19 04:18
cubezzzI can use both systems if I have to, I just prefer to use the metric systemFeb 19 04:18
DaemonFCif they were really leaning into him, he was living with family or something cause he couldn't pay rentFeb 19 04:18
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: tax has never been an issue for meFeb 19 04:19
cubezzzBurma, Liberia, and the United States are the world's only holdoutsFeb 19 04:19
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: but i've only lived in the countries you think are high tax and socialistFeb 19 04:19
FurnaceBoygo figureFeb 19 04:19
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, The IRS take so much that it just crushes youFeb 19 04:19
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: weird, i thought you guys thought Canada was high tax...Feb 19 04:20
cubezzzhas anyone actually done a comparison?Feb 19 04:20
FurnaceBoyyes.Feb 19 04:20
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, They take more and more until you're a millionaire and then it starts going down againFeb 19 04:20
DaemonFCbasicallyFeb 19 04:20
FurnaceBoythe effective tax rates are within 1%, cubezzzFeb 19 04:20
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: what bracket? I'm used to payign 48% bracket. never had a problem making ends meet.Feb 19 04:20
cubezzzdoes every state have sales tax?Feb 19 04:21
DaemonFCcubezzz, No, just mostFeb 19 04:21
DaemonFCsome states don't have an income taxFeb 19 04:21
cubezzzI think Alberta has no sales tax?Feb 19 04:21
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: why don't you just emigrate to a "socialist" country where taxes won't crush you?Feb 19 04:21
FurnaceBoynot to mention health insurance hahahahaFeb 19 04:21
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, That's the thing, they end at like 35% here no matter how much you make past that pointFeb 19 04:22
cubezzzno country is perfectFeb 19 04:22
FurnaceBoycubezzz: there is provincial and federal, but taking that into account, the effective tax rates are almost the same.Feb 19 04:22
DaemonFCbut the poor are paying about 8-9%Feb 19 04:22
FurnaceBoycubezzz: rightFeb 19 04:22
DaemonFCthat's just federalFeb 19 04:22
DaemonFCso it is a regressive system, it really isFeb 19 04:22
FurnaceBoycubezzz: but plenty are "good enough". the USA seems to be an exceptionFeb 19 04:22
DaemonFCyou also stop paying Social Security taxes at $102,500Feb 19 04:22
DaemonFCbut everyone below that has to pay that tax on their whole incomeFeb 19 04:23
cubezzzDaemonFC, FurnaceBoy, you need to read about this person I discovered last nightFeb 19 04:23
FurnaceBoycubezzz: I didFeb 19 04:23
cubezzzoh you did?Feb 19 04:23
FurnaceBoyyes, I followed your linkFeb 19 04:23
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooksley_BornFeb 19 04:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Brooksley Born - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 42.23 KBFeb 19 04:23
FurnaceBoyout of pure respect, man ;)Feb 19 04:23
FurnaceBoycubezzz: yesFeb 19 04:23
cubezzzthere it is again, for DaemonFC Feb 19 04:23
FurnaceBoycubezzz: I skimmed itFeb 19 04:23
cubezzzit's worth checkingFeb 19 04:23
DaemonFCcubezzz, The IRS, Social Security, FICA Med (Medicare, Indiana State (INDOR), sales tax, property taxFeb 19 04:24
DaemonFC:DFeb 19 04:24
DaemonFCsales tax here is 7%Feb 19 04:24
FurnaceBoywell, for him, strike 1) woman strike 2) progressive strike 3) has spoken to Clinton .. game overFeb 19 04:24
cubezzzok, it's 5% GST and 8% PST :-/Feb 19 04:24
cubezzzwhich isn't too fun (Ontario)Feb 19 04:24
FurnaceBoyyeah, but i don't pay full sales tax on my incomeFeb 19 04:24
FurnaceBoya lot of my spending isn't subject to sales taxFeb 19 04:25
DaemonFCmost food in the grocery stores is tax exemptFeb 19 04:25
cubezzzyes, it is the same hereFeb 19 04:25
DaemonFCbut they started taxing soda and "convenience foods" like snacksFeb 19 04:25
FurnaceBoycubezzz: I'm in ON, if you didn't know :)Feb 19 04:25
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: as they shouldFeb 19 04:25
cubezzzyeah I think you're on Bell if I recall correctlyFeb 19 04:25
FurnaceBoycubezzz: yesFeb 19 04:25
DaemonFCwell, you don't pay the taxes on pop and chips if you use food stampsFeb 19 04:25
DaemonFC:DFeb 19 04:25
DaemonFCor candy bars evenFeb 19 04:25
FurnaceBoybrilliant!Feb 19 04:25
cubezzzI don't think we have food stamps?Feb 19 04:26
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: have you seen "food, inc" yet?Feb 19 04:26
DaemonFCnoFeb 19 04:26
DaemonFCback until about 1998, the stamps were actually paper coupons in a book, and people would sell themFeb 19 04:26
DaemonFCor go in and buy a 80 cent loaf of bread with a $5 food stamp, get back the change in cashFeb 19 04:27
DaemonFCbuy cigarettesFeb 19 04:27
DaemonFCor alcoholFeb 19 04:27
cubezzzI can't believe how expensive stuff like Cheerios is getting :-/Feb 19 04:27
DaemonFCnow they have their friends come with them to the grocery store, have them pay $50 and buy $100 of groceries for themFeb 19 04:27
DaemonFCwhile their kids starve :)Feb 19 04:28
DaemonFCand mommy has cigarettesFeb 19 04:28
DaemonFCcubezzz, I noticedFeb 19 04:28
cubezzzI never spent money on booze or cigs :)Feb 19 04:28
DaemonFClike over $3 for a big boxFeb 19 04:28
cubezzznot onceFeb 19 04:28
DaemonFCcubezzz, I just get the off brand stuffFeb 19 04:28
DaemonFCit's all the sameFeb 19 04:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Never understood the bitching about income #tax. None of it. & I supposedly lived in "socialist", high tax countries. Is solvency so hard?Feb 19 04:29
DaemonFCyou're buying a different picture on the label with the name brand groceries, most of the timeFeb 19 04:29
cubezzzyeah Loblaws no-name brand is OKFeb 19 04:29
DaemonFCcubezzz, store brand at Walmart is taking over the shelvesFeb 19 04:29
DaemonFCnobody is buying brand name food anymoreFeb 19 04:30
cubezzzah, I avoid Walmart, we have spoke about this before I thinkFeb 19 04:30
DaemonFCyeahFeb 19 04:30
cubezzzanything but there :)Feb 19 04:30
DaemonFCbut Walmart is coming out with all kinds of "premium" stuff under their brand labelFeb 19 04:30
DaemonFCcause they know people are brokeFeb 19 04:30
DaemonFCthey did it to themFeb 19 04:30
DaemonFC:DFeb 19 04:31
cubezzzI am actually hoping the U.S. will recover their jobsFeb 19 04:31
cubezzzit's better all aroundFeb 19 04:31
DaemonFCyeah, cause we're probably dragging Canada down with us....Feb 19 04:31
DaemonFClittle enlightened self-interest there?Feb 19 04:31
DaemonFC;)Feb 19 04:31
cubezzzno to mention I export to the U.S. :)Feb 19 04:32
cubezzznotFeb 19 04:32
FurnaceBoywe're doing fine thanksFeb 19 04:32
cubezzzthings are slow thoughFeb 19 04:32
cubezzzit just feels slowFeb 19 04:32
DaemonFCrightFeb 19 04:32
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: time to pull up your socks re: China thoughFeb 19 04:32
DaemonFCcut hours yet?Feb 19 04:32
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: come here and check it out.Feb 19 04:32
FurnaceBoyhow could you possibly have a clueFeb 19 04:32
cubezzzself-employed, I don't have to worry about cut hoursFeb 19 04:32
DaemonFCwell, first I'd need a passportFeb 19 04:33
DaemonFCthanks Bush!Feb 19 04:33
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: our real estate hasn't even taken a dentFeb 19 04:33
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: not gloating, just observingFeb 19 04:33
cubezzzwe need a passport to go to the U.S. just to visit or...?Feb 19 04:33
DaemonFCand to get a passport I need a FascistID drivers licenseFeb 19 04:33
cubezzzbefore we didn'tFeb 19 04:33
DaemonFCand I don't have a FascistIDFeb 19 04:33
cubezzzI went to the U.S. a ton of timesFeb 19 04:33
FurnaceBoycubezzz: can't think of one reason i'd want to go there, so it's rather mootFeb 19 04:33
cubezzzNew Mexico was niceFeb 19 04:34
FurnaceBoycubezzz: it's a big world, many more interesting placesFeb 19 04:34
DaemonFCand thanks to the international border, the government is saying the bill of rights doesn't apply where I liveFeb 19 04:34
DaemonFCbecause they count Lake Michigan as part of an international borderFeb 19 04:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: sovereignty is great isn't it.Feb 19 04:34
DaemonFCI'm an illegal CanadianFeb 19 04:34
DaemonFCI swam through Lake Michigan in search of a better lifeFeb 19 04:35
DaemonFC:DFeb 19 04:35
cubezzzwell there's no conscription so...Feb 19 04:35
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: reminds me of that scene in "A Serious Man"Feb 19 04:35
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: decent Coen Bros movieFeb 19 04:35
FurnaceBoycubezzz: Harper is fond of deporting objectors, that assFeb 19 04:35
DaemonFCrampant corporate greed, unchecked, is the problem hereFeb 19 04:35
FurnaceBoy+1Feb 19 04:35
DaemonFCthe illegal Mexicans are a symptom of it reallyFeb 19 04:35
cubezzzBrooksley Born predicted your economic melt-down and are the guys ignored herFeb 19 04:36
DaemonFCif there were laws in place to really punish employers who hired them, they wouldn't do itFeb 19 04:36
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that is a symptom of inequalityFeb 19 04:36
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: the film "Sin Nombre" is a nice reality checkFeb 19 04:36
cubezzzthen Greenspan goes "duh, I was wrong"Feb 19 04:36
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phIRCe-BNcTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Chalmers Johnson on Coming Change .::. Size~: 31.27 KBFeb 19 04:37
DaemonFCObama fixes the economy alrightFeb 19 04:38
DaemonFCappointing all the people directly responsible for wrecking itFeb 19 04:38
cubezzzyeah :-/Feb 19 04:39
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: i understand your bitterness; you believed.Feb 19 04:39
cubezzzthat seems wrong to me tooFeb 19 04:39
DaemonFCGeithner is a crook but he comes off as ineptFeb 19 04:39
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: ^^ that video lays it out, pretty muchFeb 19 04:41
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: the essentials are laid out before 07:00Feb 19 04:41
DaemonFCmeh, even if there was a draft they couldn't take meFeb 19 04:42
DaemonFCwithout changing the lawFeb 19 04:42
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DaemonFCI'll be 26 in AprilFeb 19 04:42
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: "In October 2002, both houses.. kissed off the Constitution."Feb 19 04:42
DaemonFCI wished they had draftedFeb 19 04:42
DaemonFCthis "war" would be over by nowFeb 19 04:43
DaemonFCif kids had to get their dead asses up from playing the XBOX and enlist in the armyFeb 19 04:43
DaemonFCthere'd be some big goddamn protestsFeb 19 04:43
cubezzzhehFeb 19 04:43
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: there wereFeb 19 04:43
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: made no differenceFeb 19 04:44
DaemonFCnot reallyFeb 19 04:44
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: largests protests ever knownFeb 19 04:44
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I guess you didn't get that memoFeb 19 04:44
DaemonFCnot bigger than VietnamFeb 19 04:44
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: in a single event, bigger.Feb 19 04:44
DaemonFCI don't remember anything like the Kent State Massacre happening over IRaqFeb 19 04:44
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: in total , no, since vietnam was protested for decadesFeb 19 04:44
cubezzzwhat did they accomplish in Vietname I wonder?Feb 19 04:44
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: huh?Feb 19 04:44
cubezzzbesides destruction of courseFeb 19 04:44
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you forget, your news in the USA is very filtered.Feb 19 04:45
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootingsFeb 19 04:45
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FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: at the height of the Bush/Cheney era, any dissent concerning iraq was actively suppressed in US mediaFeb 19 04:45
DaemonFCstill isFeb 19 04:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you simply would never have heard about foreign protest unless you sought it outFeb 19 04:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: yesFeb 19 04:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: the protests were massiveFeb 19 04:45
cubezzzjust read BBC or CBC or whatever thenFeb 19 04:45
DaemonFCReminds me of ISN after Clark took over (Babylon 5)Feb 19 04:46
cubezzzthey can't censor everyone in the internet ageFeb 19 04:46
DaemonFC:)Feb 19 04:46
FurnaceBoycubezzz: most americans either don't know where to find sources, or are taught to distrust foreign sources.Feb 19 04:46
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DaemonFCI don't trust any news channelFeb 19 04:46
cubezzzyou don't trust PBS?Feb 19 04:46
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you don't trust books eitherFeb 19 04:46
DaemonFCit's just as bad as PressTV or Xinhua Feb 19 04:47
DaemonFCmaybe the lies aren't as preposterous I guessFeb 19 04:47
cubezzzI always check several news sourcesFeb 19 04:47
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DaemonFCwhich makes them dangerous, not entertainmentFeb 19 04:47
FurnaceBoy"The important thing about Cassandra is .. she was right." --ChambersFeb 19 04:47
DaemonFCbrbFeb 19 04:47
DaemonFChave to go to Huggy Bear for a momentFeb 19 04:47
DaemonFC:)Feb 19 04:47
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FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you're not getting enough intellectual nutritionFeb 19 04:49
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FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: schestowitz provides an excellent reading list and source listFeb 19 04:50
cubezzzit feels like the whole WORLD isn't getting enough :)Feb 19 04:50
FurnaceBoycubezzz: absolutelyFeb 19 04:51
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cubezzzthe emphasis is too much on sports...Feb 19 04:51
FurnaceBoypeople prefer not to engage - engagement requires facing up to some very inconvenient truthsFeb 19 04:52
cubezzztennis, golf, hockey players make ridiculous moneyFeb 19 04:52
FurnaceBoyand then, like D, they like to say all sources are suspect. well, to a point; but there's a solution to that. it's called journalism and history. Both are still practiced.Feb 19 04:53
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FurnaceBoythere are journalists and historians that can be trustedFeb 19 04:53
FurnaceBoywho*Feb 19 04:53
cubezzzwell you could say that about any non-1st hand information...Feb 19 04:53
FurnaceBoyright, whihc is why those disciplines exist.Feb 19 04:54
FurnaceBoythe problem is that the terms have been debased by vested interests, political and commercialFeb 19 04:54
FurnaceBoysame is true of IT reporting ;-)Feb 19 04:55
cubezzzit's the financial sector that is screwed upFeb 19 04:55
FurnaceBoythe "PC press" is debased, as we knowFeb 19 04:55
FurnaceBoycubezzz: not just thatFeb 19 04:55
FurnaceBoycubezzz: those are today's scapegoatsFeb 19 04:55
FurnaceBoycubezzz: but there is an elephant in the roomFeb 19 04:56
FurnaceBoywatch that video ^^Feb 19 04:56
cubezzzI will after I get this job finished :)Feb 19 04:56
FurnaceBoy:)Feb 19 04:56
FurnaceBoytime consuming i knowFeb 19 04:56
FurnaceBoyi don't usually wathc videosFeb 19 04:56
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cubezzzI watch very little television, mostly just tennis and PBS (WNED)Feb 19 04:57
cubezzzless and less youtube as wellFeb 19 04:58
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FurnaceBoyrightFeb 19 04:58
cubezzzI can remember in the early 90's on usenet there was a lot more civilityFeb 19 04:59
FurnaceBoyheh .... yes it's gone now, from American forumsFeb 19 04:59
FurnaceBoyit's a culturally specific problem, imeFeb 19 04:59
cubezzzvery very little arguing and zero cursing, at least on the newsgroups I frequentedFeb 19 04:59
cubezzzbecause you had largely a university educated crowd on the net back thenFeb 19 05:00
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DaemonFCI think Ben Franlin said that freedom of the press only goes to those who can afford oneFeb 19 05:07
DaemonFC:)Feb 19 05:07
DaemonFC*FranklinFeb 19 05:07
cubezzzFranklin was a smart guyFeb 19 05:08
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*DaemonFC dpkg force removed ureadaheadFeb 19 05:16
DaemonFCthat ought to get the ugly complaints at boot to go awayFeb 19 05:17
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DaemonFCcubezzz, That's how you get rid of crap that wants to remove the ubuntu-desktop metaFeb 19 05:17
DaemonFCwithout removing the meta :)Feb 19 05:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Controlling an iPhone with a sausage: a buyer's guide - Times Online - lol http://tinyurl.com/y87bprmFeb 19 05:18
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DaemonFCsudo dpkg --force-all -r <package name>Feb 19 05:18
DaemonFC:DFeb 19 05:18
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DaemonFCrpm can do that too, but I forget the argumentFeb 19 05:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @vibgyorfilm: 2day @ #ViBGYOR2010: "Kandhamal survivers Campaaign -against attack on minorities, dalits & adivasis in Orissa" from 2to4pmFeb 19 05:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @vibgyorfilm: today at #ViBGYOR2010 ; Meet the directors at 12:40 pm at ORANGE ( Regional Theatre )Feb 19 05:39
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DaemonFChttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8523196.stmFeb 19 05:47
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DaemonFCwoohooFeb 19 05:47
DaemonFChttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/business/18workers.htmlFeb 19 05:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: U.S. Cracks Down on ‘Contractors’ as a Tax Dodge - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 73.42 KBFeb 19 05:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @pramode_ce: "Ponzi schemes just steal what we have. Patent trolling steals what we're going to have." http://bit.ly/bIgxIbFeb 19 05:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Hacker News | Nathan Myhrvold's Intellectual Ventures hides lawsuits via 1000+ shell companies .::. Size~: 52.28 KBFeb 19 05:50
DaemonFChttp://www.courthousenews.com/2010/02/18/24830.htmFeb 19 05:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Courthouse News Service .::. Size~: 13.61 KBFeb 19 05:53
DaemonFC" The case comes after 17-year-old Christopher Sieyes was convicted of unlawfully possessing a loaded semiautomatic handgun. He sued, claiming a Washington state law banning minors from carrying guns infringes on his right to bear arms as protected by both the U.S. and Washington Constitutions."Feb 19 05:53
DaemonFCand wonFeb 19 05:53
DaemonFCglad to see some common sense Feb 19 05:53
cubezzzhuhFeb 19 05:53
DaemonFCthe state convicted him of carrying the gun, he sued the state citing the US constitution, and wonFeb 19 05:54
cubezzzumm, does that mean that 17 year olds can carry hand guns?Feb 19 05:54
DaemonFCthey now have to let him goFeb 19 05:54
DaemonFCand remove the convictionFeb 19 05:54
DaemonFCyesFeb 19 05:54
DaemonFCif he wasn't threatening anyone with it, he should not have been arrestedFeb 19 05:55
DaemonFCthe bill of rights does apply to minorsFeb 19 05:55
DaemonFCthe only way the state can constitutionally do what they did is if his parents told him he couldn't carry it aroundFeb 19 05:55
DaemonFCcubezzz, A minor only loses their constitutional rights if the parents waive them acting in the capacity as their guardianFeb 19 05:56
cubezzzhe could have a loaded hand gun in his pocket in say... a restaurant?Feb 19 05:57
DaemonFCso if a police officer asks to do a search, a minor can refuse, but the parent can overrule them and let the cops searchFeb 19 05:57
cubezzzyou see what I'm getting at? :)Feb 19 05:57
DaemonFCno, that's concealedFeb 19 05:57
DaemonFCthat is illegal without a permitFeb 19 05:57
cubezzzin a holster?Feb 19 05:58
DaemonFCcubezzz, in a holster in plain site is legal with a carry permitFeb 19 05:58
DaemonFCconcealed carry permit lets you hide itFeb 19 05:58
cubezzzok, but they don't give permits to 17 year olds or do they?Feb 19 05:58
DaemonFCno permit is required to own or carry a shotgunFeb 19 05:59
DaemonFCif the parent applies for one for them, then yesFeb 19 05:59
cubezzzyou said handgun thoughFeb 19 05:59
cubezzzhuh, what do you knowFeb 19 05:59
DaemonFCthey will issue carry permits to 16 year olds if the parent applies for oneFeb 19 05:59
cubezzzseems crazy to meFeb 19 05:59
DaemonFCyeah, lifetime carry permit in Indiana is just a background check and maybe $100 or soFeb 19 06:00
DaemonFCdepends on the countyFeb 19 06:00
DaemonFCyou can't get a lifetime concealed carry permit, they go in 3 year termsFeb 19 06:00
DaemonFCand they cost a lotFeb 19 06:00
cubezzzso women could be carrying concealed weapons on them too right?Feb 19 06:01
DaemonFCand you will be put under a fine toothed comb to get oneFeb 19 06:01
cubezzzassuming they got the necessary permits?Feb 19 06:01
DaemonFCif they have the permit, sureFeb 19 06:01
DaemonFCcriminals don't bother to make it legalFeb 19 06:01
DaemonFCthat's why they are "criminals"Feb 19 06:01
DaemonFCsomething the anti-gun idiots don't graspFeb 19 06:01
DaemonFCcubezzz, violent felonies can make you "Brady Disqualified" for lifeFeb 19 06:02
DaemonFCmeaning you will not get a permit for anythingFeb 19 06:02
DaemonFC:)Feb 19 06:02
DaemonFCfelonies also make you ineligible to vote for the rest of your lifeFeb 19 06:03
DaemonFC(not just violent ones)Feb 19 06:03
DaemonFCor hold an elected officeFeb 19 06:03
cubezzzdoes that mean Martha Steward can't vote? :)Feb 19 06:03
DaemonFCit shouldFeb 19 06:04
DaemonFCevery state I know of disqualifies felonsFeb 19 06:04
DaemonFCcubezzz, The fact that I *have* a permit and bothered to do the background checks and the waiting period, and the FBI background check when I bought the damned things kind of proves I'm not trying to hide anythingFeb 19 06:05
DaemonFCif I was a criminal, I'd just go buy a gun floating around Feb 19 06:05
DaemonFCfuck the permitFeb 19 06:06
DaemonFCI have the lifetime carry permitFeb 19 06:07
DaemonFCso I keep it holstered in plain viewFeb 19 06:07
DaemonFCit tends to work better that way anywayFeb 19 06:07
DaemonFCso I'm happy :)Feb 19 06:07
cubezzzwell, I suppose if a grizzly bear attacks you, you've have a fighting chance :)Feb 19 06:07
DaemonFCCOPS in the alley!Feb 19 06:08
DaemonFCWTF!Feb 19 06:08
DaemonFCbrbFeb 19 06:08
DaemonFCharassing some old guy in a minivanFeb 19 06:08
DaemonFChahaFeb 19 06:08
DaemonFCcubezzz, I haven't ever shot anything but targets at the public shooting rangeFeb 19 06:09
DaemonFCI'm not some stone cold killerFeb 19 06:09
cubezzzI did skeet shooting once, a long time agoFeb 19 06:10
cubezzzand some target shooting with a 22Feb 19 06:10
cubezzzand my friend shot me with his bb gun accidently :-/Feb 19 06:10
DaemonFC.22 is good to start out withFeb 19 06:10
DaemonFCnot heavy, not much of a kick, can be fairly accurate Feb 19 06:11
DaemonFCgood cheap entertainment :)Feb 19 06:11
DaemonFCbullets cost a couple penniesFeb 19 06:11
DaemonFCgood way to waste an eveningFeb 19 06:12
DaemonFCshit, now there's a police SUV out thereFeb 19 06:12
DaemonFCand the old dude is locked in his carFeb 19 06:12
DaemonFCcubezzz, http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9619/80848671.jpgFeb 19 06:16
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DaemonFChttp://img198.imageshack.us/img198/461/77795095.jpgFeb 19 06:17
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DaemonFChttp://img195.imageshack.us/img195/669/78012252.jpgFeb 19 06:19
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DaemonFCthree people and two copsFeb 19 06:19
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RT: My boss told me that U must get married soon. I am not scared. This is not the first time I am going to disappoint him.Feb 19 06:22
DaemonFChehFeb 19 06:23
DaemonFCI went to the kitchen and opened my windowFeb 19 06:24
DaemonFCstuck my camcorder outside and made an issue of myselfFeb 19 06:24
DaemonFCand they stopped bugging those guys and left, lolFeb 19 06:24
DaemonFCthere you go cubezzz Feb 19 06:25
DaemonFCI did my good deed for the yearFeb 19 06:25
DaemonFCthe only thing the police hate worse than witnesses are camerasFeb 19 06:28
DaemonFChttp://img714.imageshack.us/img714/1852/54628724.jpgFeb 19 06:36
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DaemonFCI has hostagesFeb 19 06:36
DaemonFCor is it "I can has hostages?"Feb 19 06:37
DaemonFC:)Feb 19 06:37
DaemonFChttp://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4616/60811409.jpgFeb 19 06:41
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DaemonFCMS sends the nicest coastersFeb 19 06:41
DaemonFCFor product support, don't call us, we'll call you!Feb 19 06:42
cubezzzDon't worry, I don't call them :)Feb 19 06:54
DaemonFChttp://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1285/27174750.pngFeb 19 07:22
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DaemonFCwhile backFeb 19 07:22
DaemonFC:DFeb 19 07:22
DaemonFC<DaemonFC> GNOME thought they're re-implement Pidgin with half the features and 1/10th the options, and depend on libpurple anyway for most of the things it can do. That's my honest opinion. It may sound sarcastic.Feb 19 08:25
DaemonFC<DaemonFC> I suspect it won't be long before I have to manually install everything that used to be there that did what I wanted because they deprecated it and replaced it with something that means nothing to me. :) OK, that was sarcastic.Feb 19 08:25
DaemonFCheheFeb 19 08:25
DaemonFCUbuntu - "Our users are fucking morons and are confused by functionality. We could tell them to quit whining and figure it out, but you know what? Let's just infuriate our long time/power users by removing it with no further explanation. We can be condescending douchebags and kickban anyone that calls us out."Feb 19 08:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Too many thoughts, no sleep for me!Feb 19 08:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Intellectual Ventures spent more than $1 million on lobbying last year: http://i5.be/auOFeb 19 08:52
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Investment Firm Hopes to Turn Patents Into Invention Capital Market - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 78.23 KBFeb 19 08:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Up to 1,110 shell companies (ProxyTrolls) and affiliated entities appear to be linked to Intellectual Ventures: http://i5.be/auOFeb 19 08:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Definition of a patent troll: "ADC is a patent holding company founded by a patent attorney" http://i5.be/auPFeb 19 09:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] hats of to Xubuntu 9.10 for making a distro that refuses to remember a lot of config settings, a real step backward in useabilityFeb 19 09:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] CreditSuisse and Deutsche Bank of "patent funds" to purchase unused patents for litigation: http://i5.be/auQFeb 19 09:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: IPEG: Patent Trolls Statistics, will Europe escape the trolls? .::. Size~: 98.58 KBFeb 19 09:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] what's the point of having config options if #xubuntu just ignores them and uses the defaults, despite the defaults not working right?Feb 19 09:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Flash is 'dying' according to Steve Jobs. Oh I sure hope so. http://bit.ly/9Vla8IFeb 19 09:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Steve Jobs to WSJ: ditch "dying" Flash technology .::. Size~: 27.31 KBFeb 19 09:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Axel Horns on the United Patent Litigation System (UPLS), or European Patent Law outsourced outside of the EU: http://i5.be/auSFeb 19 09:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @zoobab: Axel Horns on the United Patent Litigation System (UPLS), or European Patent Law outsourced outside of the EU: http://i5.be/auSFeb 19 09:51
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Chips_B_MalroyDell profit drops despite Windows 7 PC rush  http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/02/18/dell.q4.2009.shows.more.pcs.less.cash/Feb 19 10:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Dell profit drops despite Windows 7 PC rush | Electronista .::. Size~: 68.78 KBFeb 19 10:06
Chips_B_MalroyJobless Claims, Inflation Jump as Economy Wobbles  http://www.cnbc.com/id/35457298Feb 19 10:07
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://mashable.com/2010/02/16/google-wikipedia-donation/Feb 19 10:07
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schestowitzHeyFeb 19 10:08
Chips_B_MalroyHiFeb 19 10:08
Chips_B_Malroythe ecomony is not recovering from what I see Feb 19 10:08
Chips_B_Malroyits still getting worseFeb 19 10:09
schestowitzHeh.Feb 19 10:09
schestowitzWho said it was?Feb 19 10:09
Chips_B_MalroyyesFeb 19 10:09
schestowitzWhen more jobs are lost they say unemployment downFeb 19 10:09
schestowitzBecause of the way they count "unemployment"Feb 19 10:09
Chips_B_MalroyThe Dell article shows that people are buying cheaper computers now.  That cannot be good for MS Feb 19 10:10
Chips_B_Malroyat some point the OEM pain of companies like Dell, will start finding ways to cut the MS profitFeb 19 10:11
Chips_B_Malroywell, later, its very late hereFeb 19 10:11
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/jcohen/statuses/9319438088 "@jeremylikness ...although having said that, and despite "Boycott Novell" not being the most credible of sites, they make some good points."Feb 19 10:19
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RT: @g33f: Farmville players outnumber real farmers in the US by a ratio of 60 to 1. More info: http://is.gd/8Ct5F (via @OMGfacts)Feb 19 10:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Farmville players outnumber real farmers in the US by a ratio of 60 to 1.More info: Farmville is the most popular applicationin the history of Facebook, with 62 million registered users and 22 million logging on at least once a day. Farmville is bigger than Twitter. - OMG Facts - Your Mind. Blown. .::. Size~: 21.96 KBFeb 19 10:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Book Excerpt from “Barbarians Led by Bill Gates” http://ur1.ca/mrff Memorable Microsoft incident, in their own wordsFeb 19 10:31
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schestowitzThe Best Web Browser on the Planet < http://www.slate.com/id/2243727/ >Feb 19 10:39
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Why Google Chrome is better than Firefox and Internet Explorer. - By Farhad Manjoo - Slate Magazine         .::. Size~: 45.37 KBFeb 19 10:39
schestowitzThey still link to Microsoft- and Apple-funded 'sources'Feb 19 10:39
cubezzzwho links?Feb 19 10:41
cubezzztext browsers are the best :)Feb 19 10:42
Ender2070_noFeb 19 10:44
Ender2070_gui browsers are bestFeb 19 10:44
cubezzzslate seems to link to bingFeb 19 10:44
Ender2070_slate is microsoftFeb 19 10:45
cubezzzoh well then ...:)Feb 19 10:45
Ender2070_lolFeb 19 10:45
Ender2070_they had bing on leno onceFeb 19 10:45
Ender2070_its as if he never used a search engine beforeFeb 19 10:46
cubezzzha, probably he didn'tFeb 19 10:46
Ender2070_hes like "oh my god, i can find anything I am looking for"Feb 19 10:46
cubezzzrich dudes always get a lackey to do thingsFeb 19 10:46
Ender2070_LOLFeb 19 10:46
Ender2070_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTWCvEENccwFeb 19 10:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Is Jay Leno a Corporate Shill? .::. Size~: 116.35 KBFeb 19 10:48
cubezzzis Charlie Rose a shill for Coca-Cola?Feb 19 10:48
cubezzzis any TV guy a shill? :)Feb 19 10:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Upgrading my 32GB USB stick running Ubuntu to Lucid. Brave or foolhardy, not sure. :) Boss doing his laptop next to me too :)Feb 19 10:49
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.htmlFeb 19 10:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: School used student laptop webcams to spy on them at school and home Boing Boing .::. Size~: 613.49 KBFeb 19 10:50
schestowitzEnder2070_: I know about SlateFeb 19 10:50
schestowitzBN has articles about itFeb 19 10:50
cubezzzSlate seems to basically suckFeb 19 10:51
schestowitzcubezzz: all people on corporate TV are selected for their appreciation of 'normal' thinkingFeb 19 10:51
schestowitzThey don't hire challengersFeb 19 10:51
schestowitzcubezzz: it doesFeb 19 10:51
Ender2070_it used to be called Microsoft SlateFeb 19 10:52
Ender2070_i knowFeb 19 10:52
Ender2070_lolFeb 19 10:52
cubezzzhence Stallman never being on American TVFeb 19 10:52
cubezzzas far as I knowFeb 19 10:52
schestowitz*LOL* http://techdirt.com/articles/20100218/0302378222.shtmlFeb 19 10:53
phIRCe-BNcTitle: It's Probably Not A Good Idea To Ask People To Spam The Judge Hearing Your Case With Support Emails | Techdirt .::. Size~: 70.91 KBFeb 19 10:53
schestowitzEnder2070_: it's stil sort of with themFeb 19 10:53
schestowitzWashPost/Melinda gatesFeb 19 10:53
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/27/slate-washington-p-melinda-gates/Feb 19 10:54
cubezzzof course, Gates wants to control the media tooFeb 19 10:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Slate Magazine, Microsoft, The Washington Post and Melinda Gates | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.38 KBFeb 19 10:54
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/15/will-poole-sprint-nextel-wipro/Feb 19 10:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Moles Watch: Will Poole, Sprint Nextel, Wipro, Slate | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.69 KBFeb 19 10:54
schestowitzcubezzz: he can't anymoreFeb 19 10:54
schestowitzNow he uses a new shell thoughFeb 19 10:54
schestowitz2 of themFeb 19 10:54
schestowitzOne of his mate NathanFeb 19 10:54
cubezzzwell he can't control the "blogosphere" :)Feb 19 10:54
schestowitzzoobab: http://techdirt.com/articles/20100217/1853298215.shtmlFeb 19 10:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Nathan Myhrvold's Intellectual Ventures Using Over 1,000 Shell Companies To Hide Patent Shakedown | Techdirt .::. Size~: 47.81 KBFeb 19 10:54
cubezzzdamn, I hate that word :)Feb 19 10:54
schestowitzIt's one of the most  hated wordsFeb 19 10:55
schestowitzI think it was voted #1 most hated some years agoFeb 19 10:55
cubezzzhehFeb 19 10:55
schestowitzThey now bribe bloggersFeb 19 10:55
schestowitzGates spoke about how they need to embrace bloggersFeb 19 10:55
cubezzzaha, now it's the bribe-o-sphere Feb 19 10:55
schestowitz"Well, it's in the brand. The image you create around the brand. That's why I need you in this company. Because nobody in this company, or in this industry, really understands that. And if we can have the perception, I can create the reality. With the combination of the reality and the perception, nobody will ever beat us." -Bill GatesFeb 19 10:55
schestowitz"Here's the type of guy I want, I don't care if he knows anything about computers. I need a guy who really understands branding."- Bill GatesFeb 19 10:56
cubezzzexcept.... we know Gates is a greedy so-and-soFeb 19 10:56
schestowitz"In the fall of 1982, Pam Edstrom, a diminutive woman with piercing blue eyes, was recruited by Microsoft. [...] In modern-day business, flacks were responsible not only for avoiding bad press, but for spinning the good. [...] Hanson and Edstrom would spin a whole new image for Gates himself. They would tap the best and worst of Chairman Bill, changing his clothes, his voice, and his allegiances, driving him to become not just the Feb 19 10:56
schestowitzboss, but, essentially, the company mascot—a sort of high-technology Colonel Sanders."Feb 19 10:56
cubezzzSanders wasn't the healthiest guyFeb 19 10:58
cubezzzI remember when he was still aroundFeb 19 10:58
cubezzzamazingly he lived to 90 after eating fried chicken for decadesFeb 19 10:59
Ender2070_nothing wrong with fried chickenFeb 19 11:00
schestowitzEnder2070_: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/thinktanks-take-oil-money-and-use-it-to-fund-climate-deniers-1891747.htmlFeb 19 11:05
schestowitzDon't be their "useful idiot"Feb 19 11:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Think-tanks take oil money and use it to fund climate deniers -Climate Change, Environment - The Independent .::. Size~: 234.37 KBFeb 19 11:05
schestowitz"The multinational energy company ExxonMobil has given hundreds of thousands of British pounds in grants to free-market, anti-climate change think-tanks to wage a coordinated, orchestrated campaign against climate change science, and undermine public acceptance of the idea that global warming has a man-made component."Feb 19 11:06
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8892Feb 19 11:06
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Oil Money Funds Climate Deniers and Attacks on Climate Scientists | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 22.61 KBFeb 19 11:06
schestowitzI wonder who they paidFeb 19 11:06
schestowitzMaybe Alex Jones is among their paid shillsFeb 19 11:06
schestowitzWellPoint's Heart-Stopping Rate Increase.. "Keith Olbermann invited me to talk about WellPoint's rate increase on his Countdown show on MSNBC last night. When I got home, I saw that I had received several emails from people who has seen the show and wanted me to know about their own heart-stopping rate increase notices. Two were from former colleagues of mine at CIGNA, both of whom had worked for the company for years and who were Feb 19 11:11
cubezzzdidn't he interview Stallman?Feb 19 11:11
schestowitzenrolled in a pre-retirement plan. One said CIGNA planned to increase his rates by 46 percent this year. Another said his rate increase would be 47 percent. Yet another acquaintance, who works for a small business in Iowa, said he received a notice from his insurer that his rates would be going up by 38 percent. "Feb 19 11:11
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8896Feb 19 11:11
phIRCe-BNcTitle: WellPoint's Heart-Stopping Rate Increase | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 28.1 KBFeb 19 11:11
schestowitzcubezzz: yes, a little oddFeb 19 11:11
schestowitzRMS should distance himself from such associationFeb 19 11:11
schestowitzAlex Jones is insane! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APTn1EPg9E&feature=relatedFeb 19 11:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Alex Jones Interviews Noam Chomsky (Part 5) .::. Size~: 116.98 KBFeb 19 11:12
schestowitzHe's also a front for the oil companies now, whether he knows it or not and whether they pay him for it or notFeb 19 11:12
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8896Feb 19 11:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: WellPoint's Heart-Stopping Rate Increase | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 28.1 KBFeb 19 11:13
cubezzzI need one of those keyboard/trackball combosFeb 19 11:17
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/02/darpa-c3po/Feb 19 11:17
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Darpa Looks to Build Real-Life C3P0 | Danger Room | Wired.com .::. Size~: 77.94 KBFeb 19 11:17
schestowitzI have some interesting posts coming today, I thinkFeb 19 11:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Can Alex bring Linux to the masses? - Shockaroonie, Rory doing a Linux story? http://tinyurl.com/ygpyr9mFeb 19 11:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: BBC - dot.Rory: Can Alex bring Linux to the masses? .::. Size~: 54.62 KBFeb 19 11:20
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/12/utah-climate-alarmistsFeb 19 11:20
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Utah delivers vote of no confidence for 'climate alarmists' |Environment |The Guardian .::. Size~: 170.54 KBFeb 19 11:20
cubezzzsee, Alex Jones might actually be interested in FOSSFeb 19 11:20
cubezzzhence him interviewing StallmanFeb 19 11:21
schestowitz@thistleweb the masses already have GNU/Linux in many services/devices. I'm tired of people who spread the myth that LInux "Failed"Feb 19 11:22
schestowitzcubezzz: he is in a wayFeb 19 11:22
schestowitzBecause it's decentralised and because Jones' staff loves FOSSFeb 19 11:22
schestowitzThat's what he told RMS (I watched the interview)Feb 19 11:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb the masses already have GNU/Linux in many services/devicesFeb 19 11:23
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schestowitzhttp://enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news/show&l=en&news_id=20Feb 19 11:27
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schestowitzGood news for DE diversityFeb 19 11:27
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/02/e-readers-innovations-2010/Feb 19 11:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: 5 Things That Will Make E-Readers Better in 2010 | Gadget Lab | Wired.com .::. Size~: 109.78 KBFeb 19 11:28
schestowitzhttp://reason.com/archives/2010/02/17/list-priceFeb 19 11:31
phIRCe-BNcTitle: List Price - Reason Magazine .::. Size~: 77.94 KBFeb 19 11:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The war on terrorism is war on our freedom, say some http://reason.com/archives/2010/02/17/list-priceFeb 19 11:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: List Price - Reason Magazine .::. Size~: 77.94 KBFeb 19 11:33
schestowitzProbably true, but sad: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/18/javafx_under_oracle/Feb 19 11:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Oracle should cannibalize JavaFX Frankenstein • The Register .::. Size~: 25.1 KBFeb 19 11:33
schestowitz"@jeremylikness  those who discredit the site (sometimes with lies) are those whom the site criticised, inc. their employer/s. It's a bit like saying that Groklaw cannot be trusted because SCO employees discredit it"Feb 19 11:38
schestowitzzoobab: "He explained that he also expected changes in regulations that would soon permit software patent filing without independent of hardware patents, which would be a large growth area." http://www.legallyindia.com/20100216497/Law-firms/kochhar-a-co-starts-south-india-drive-with-two-lateral-partnersFeb 19 11:46
schestowitzhttp://www.katonda.com/blog/780/apple-prepares-drm-ipadFeb 19 11:48
schestowitz"Slaveware companies go even further and use the word IP to confuse users. IP is a stupid bundle of Trademark, Copyright, Patent and much more. You can't put patents and Trademark in the same basket, especially in the case of software or products which are in the software format. In a lot of countries software patents are not valid, but with the usage of the word IP these companies try to bring software under that umbrella of Feb 19 11:48
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Apple Prepares DRM For The iPad  | Katonda .::. Size~: 32.32 KBFeb 19 11:48
schestowitzprotection."Feb 19 11:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] HAPPY FUCKIN' BIRTHDAY TO ME. Mayor of my bed on FourSquare.Feb 19 11:53
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/02/18/which-smartphones-emit-the-most-radiationFeb 19 11:53
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schestowitzNebraska?? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/02/18/yahoo-opens-data-center-call-center-in-nebraskaFeb 19 11:54
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schestowitzhttp://jalopnik.com/5473942/Feb 19 11:56
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schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/18/vip-prison-treatment.htmlFeb 19 12:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Saving money? – “Not on our watch!” http://tinyurl.com/yzstlaq #sony #ps3 #piracy #tpb #filesharingFeb 19 12:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Saving money?  Not on our watch! «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 29.39 KBFeb 19 12:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Giving a presentation, by @sydneypadua http://twitpic.com/13sqivFeb 19 12:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitpic - Share photos on Twitter .::. Size~: 7.61 KBFeb 19 12:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: "Educating Mum" http://bit.ly/bsVAd0 - more mumbuntu thoughts.Feb 19 12:14
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cubezzz 10% of my hits are by googlebotFeb 19 12:15
cubezzzthe math forum gets the lion's share of the hits, and the linux stuff relatively few hitsFeb 19 12:17
cubezzzmath is more universalFeb 19 12:17
cubezzzthe agents also seem to show that doze is utterly entrenched in people's computersFeb 19 12:19
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Ender2070_http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/02/09/john-lott-joseph-daleo-climate-change-noaa-james-hansen/Feb 19 12:23
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schestowitzhttp://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/47927Feb 19 12:26
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schestowitzEnder2070_: did you read the links I gave you?Feb 19 12:26
schestowitzThere's a lot of Exxon-fudned headhuntingFeb 19 12:26
schestowitzEnder2070_: don't link to Faux stuffFeb 19 12:26
schestowitzThey are with the oil companisFeb 19 12:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Once again I'm stabbing Verified By Visa. It never remembers my password so I have to reset every damned time. #visa #failFeb 19 12:27
schestowitzI can envision some lazy man benching at Fox on his TV saying, "ahh. It's a lie.  SO I can buy another HUMMER."Feb 19 12:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Got to work this weekend... :( Fingers crossed I can get sunday off......Feb 19 12:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Now, this one takes some skill: [img] http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/02/13/Dailyshoot-90Feb 19 12:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ongoing by Tim Bray · Three Stacked Basketballs .::. Size~: 4.56 KBFeb 19 12:32
schestowitzWTF?Feb 19 12:35
schestowitz"How much longer until Roy Schestowitz creates "Boycott Canonical"?"Feb 19 12:35
schestowitzhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8848438Feb 19 12:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle:  Yahoo Search - Page 5 - Ubuntu Forums .::. Size~: 92.3 KBFeb 19 12:36
cubezzzthat reminds me of Martin Lang :)Feb 19 12:59
cubezzzBoycott Everything! Feb 19 13:00
cubezzzoops, sorry bad memory... Lang Martin :)Feb 19 13:02
cubezzzthe golf ball guyFeb 19 13:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] EU2020: A robust and affordable European patent has advanced somewhat, particularly with regard to litigation http://i5.be/auXFeb 19 13:22
schestowitzhttp://www.ted.com/talks/edward_burtynsky_on_manufactured_landscapes.htmlFeb 19 13:30
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MinceRgeekingsFeb 19 13:40
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Matt Assay: "Linux offers India .. the chance to build an operating system in their own images." http://tinyurl.com/yh2xrrrFeb 19 13:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The 'year of the Linux desktop' has passed | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 142.78 KBFeb 19 13:42
MinceRyeah, it passed the moment canonical hired asay :>Feb 19 13:44
MinceRnot a second before or laterFeb 19 13:44
cubezzzmehFeb 19 13:46
cubezzzalso cnet runs turtle slowFeb 19 13:47
MinceRstrange, asay managed to say earlier that micro$oft created "insanely great products"Feb 19 14:02
MinceRi wonder what he was smokingFeb 19 14:02
MinceRperhaps it's just part of the RDF packageFeb 19 14:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Phew! Suggested boss upgrade from Ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04 (he's brave) and he did, and it works.Just one big niggle with [enter] causing lockupFeb 19 14:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] If you use Tomboy notes sync with Ubuntu One, don't sync for a bit. Possible data loss. http://bit.ly/cTOMUH Alarming mail.Feb 19 14:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Ubuntu users, a community of lawbreakers thanks to software patents? http://i5.be/au3Feb 19 14:28
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sebsebseb Feb 19 14:31
MinceR Feb 19 14:32
sebsebsebMinceR:  Feb 19 14:32
MinceRsebsebseb: Feb 19 14:32
sebsebsebMinceR:  Feb 19 14:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @zoobab: Ubuntu users, a community of lawbreakers thanks to software patents? http://i5.be/au3Feb 19 14:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Multimedia Codecs: The Legal Path | WorksWithU .::. Size~: 46.35 KBFeb 19 14:36
schestowitzHeh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DArAG6QOdoUFeb 19 14:38
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sebsebsebuh got someone who thinks they should defrag Ext3 or Ext4Feb 19 14:40
sebsebsebhrmFeb 19 14:40
sebsebsebI am saying they don't need toFeb 19 14:40
schestowitzTrueFeb 19 14:41
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] watching atonement - the movie ; Movie is kind of serious :-)Feb 19 14:47
sebsebsebschestowitz: I read your  WIndows 7 is slow entry last night, and  there is no shame in saying GPL  oneFeb 19 14:47
sebsebsebthose two are good yeahFeb 19 14:47
sebsebsebplus there was something else I wanted to readFeb 19 14:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] New law in India to validate software patents, or maybe just the release of new guidelines by the Indian Patent Office: http://i5.be/au4Feb 19 14:53
schestowitzsebsebseb: the GPL one?Feb 19 15:01
schestowitzwhen did you find it?Feb 19 15:01
schestowitzGNU, not GPLFeb 19 15:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @zoobab: New law in India to validate software patents, or maybe just the release of new guidelines by the Indian Patent http://i5.be/au4Feb 19 15:02
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RT @zoobab: Ubuntu users, a community of lawbreakers thanks to software patents? http://i5.be/au3Feb 19 15:02
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MinceRo rly?Feb 19 15:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #IEEE is still helping #Microsoft ’s indoctrination of the young with proprietary software http://ur1.ca/ms9t that's just dishearteningFeb 19 15:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: IEEE Turns Young People Into Microsoft Customers | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 97.75 KBFeb 19 15:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followfriday @GWBProsecution - for the latest news on the murder prosecution of you-know-whoFeb 19 15:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followfriday @schestowitz - Free/Open Source Software news and analysis #linuxFeb 19 15:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 Beleaguered US to *blow up* some of its chemical stockpiles http://bit.ly/at7aAR <-- what a brilliant idea! *shudders*Feb 19 16:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I propose the "Snooki" as the standard SI unit for ditziness.Feb 19 16:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patients at #Middlesex University #Hospital Punished for #NHS - #Microsoft Affairs http://ur1.ca/mseh they never learnFeb 19 16:25
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Patients at Middlesex University Hospital Punished for NHS-Microsoft Affairs | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 91.3 KBFeb 19 16:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: "Ubuntu One Music Store Sneak Peek" http://bit.ly/aWgYFwFeb 19 16:59
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ubuntu One Music Store Sneak Peek | popey.com blog .::. Size~: 23.04 KBFeb 19 16:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] There's no potentially violent confrontational situation that can't be improved by addition of loaded guns on one, or preferably both sides!Feb 19 17:17
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Can anyone recommend a programme to recover data from a corrupted windows ntfs hdd, is it possible?Feb 19 17:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Can anyone recommend a programme to recover data from a corrupted windows ntfs hdd, is it possible?Feb 19 17:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @alykhansatchu http://bit.ly/9zCgdk #Mossad chief Dagan & #Israel PM Netanyahu are now #Dubai's most wanted men. #crime #murder #ukFeb 19 17:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Israel PM Netanyahu almost certainly approved "Pythonesque" #Mossad #murder that used fake #UK and #EU passports. http://bit.ly/cUk0JDFeb 19 17:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates Slammed for #GlobalWarming Debate Aversion, Conspiracy to Defraud Taxpayers http://ur1.ca/msljFeb 19 17:32
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bill Gates Slammed for Global Warming Debate Aversion, Conspiracy to Defraud Taxpayers | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 101.54 KBFeb 19 17:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Steve Wood About #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/mslt Quotes from one of the first Microsoft developers, who quit Microsoft in 1980Feb 19 17:36
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Quote of the Day: Steve Wood About Microsoft | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 86.21 KBFeb 19 17:36
MinceRhttp://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/epic-fail-bumper-sticker-fail.jpgFeb 19 17:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Annoying@fabsh is annoying.Feb 19 17:47
schestowitzMinceR: terrorists use APple products tooFeb 19 17:52
schestowitzHomosexuals alsoFeb 19 17:52
Ender2070_ah!!!Feb 19 17:52
Ender2070_no schestowitz, terrorists don'tFeb 19 17:52
MinceRi knowFeb 19 17:53
Ender2070_the iTunes EULA prohibits the creation of nuclear weaponsFeb 19 17:53
MinceRand terrorists are law-abiding citizens, obviouslyFeb 19 17:53
MinceRthat's why they don't use guns eitherFeb 19 17:54
Ender2070_"You also agree that you will not use these products for ... the development, design, manufacture or production of missles or nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons."Feb 19 17:54
MinceRand that's another reason i dislike crAppleFeb 19 17:54
Ender2070_the EULA obviously stops piratesFeb 19 17:55
MinceRi don't like to be legally prohibited from making weapons of any kindFeb 19 17:55
Ender2070_the constitiution allows everyone to bear armsFeb 19 17:55
Ender2070_it doesnt say it cant be nuclearFeb 19 17:55
Ender2070_in this bush speech at state of the union, bush tried to get kids nukesFeb 19 17:56
Ender2070_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwZSQrDuYzoFeb 19 17:56
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Hilarious Bush State of the Union Address Parody .::. Size~: 115.31 KBFeb 19 17:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Fake Antivirus which is actual[ly] a malware infection!” http://ur1.ca/msp8Feb 19 17:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: “Fake Antivirus which is actual[ly] a malware infection!” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 91.79 KBFeb 19 17:58
Ender2070_holy shit schestowitzFeb 19 18:13
Ender2070_lefty did the worst thing he could doFeb 19 18:14
MinceRwhat?Feb 19 18:14
Ender2070_he accused rms of rapeFeb 19 18:20
Ender2070_he refered to RMS as "Richard 'My holy duty is to rape women who've never used EMACS' Stallman"Feb 19 18:20
Ender2070_and for Perens:Feb 19 18:21
Ender2070_Bruce "Have I got a meaningless waiver for you (at my usual consulting rates)!" PerensFeb 19 18:21
Ender2070_i got all the details published nowFeb 19 18:23
Ender2070_http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/20Feb 19 18:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Lefty defames Richard Stallman and Bruce Perens | www.pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 8.03 KBFeb 19 18:23
Ender2070_normally I wouldn't mention this scum but he has gone way too far this timeFeb 19 18:23
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Can't sleep; As usual goin out for a long walk towards #ccdFeb 19 18:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Documentation is like #sex: when it is good, it is very, very good; & when it is bad, it is better than nothing—Dick Brandon (via #texinfo)Feb 19 18:33
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FurnaceBoyrnb: ping?Feb 19 18:51
MinceRlolFeb 19 18:51
schestowitzEnder2070_: :-)Feb 19 18:52
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: buenos diasFeb 19 18:52
schestowitzHe shoots himself in the footFeb 19 18:52
schestowitzWhen ACCESS goes under water he'll be a failing dildo merchantFeb 19 18:52
schestowitzHe already has the Web site set uFeb 19 18:53
schestowitzHe already has the Web site set upFeb 19 18:53
schestowitzNow he needs to find some clientsFeb 19 18:53
MinceRmaybe access has enough clue to fire himFeb 19 18:53
MinceRbefore he defames access to deathFeb 19 18:53
schestowitzMaybe he can do some marketing in the next GNOME summit to find... ahem... clients.... but that's why hen wants more girls thereFeb 19 18:53
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trmancohttp://www.winehq.org/announce/1.1.39Feb 19 18:54
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Ender2070_he did shoot himself in the foot this timeFeb 19 18:56
trmancohttp://trinisoftinc.wordpress.com/2010/02/19/so-you-wanna-be-a-programmer/Feb 19 18:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: So you wanna be a programmer? « Java and Nigerian Developers .::. Size~: 30.36 KBFeb 19 18:57
trmancohttp://norvig.com/21-days.htmlFeb 19 18:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Teach Yourself Programming in Ten Years .::. Size~: 21.62 KBFeb 19 18:58
trmancogoing to the gym this eveningFeb 19 18:58
trmancoI'm sure I will destroy myself again today :PFeb 19 18:59
FurnaceBoytrmanco: yeah i know that paper. Norvig has some very interesting materialFeb 19 19:02
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FurnaceBoyone of the greats :)Feb 19 19:04
trmanco:)Feb 19 19:08
silentivm:)Feb 19 19:11
trmancowhere is schestowitz?Feb 19 19:11
FurnaceBoyhe spoke just before you logged in.Feb 19 19:13
trmancooh, okFeb 19 19:13
Ender2070_schestowitz - does this work? http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=7530701744597358451#Feb 19 19:25
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Ender2070_thats the cbc documentary that claims sterility has risenFeb 19 19:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell suffers a drop in profits despite the glamorous hype and promises from #Microsoft (upon releasing #Vista7 ) http://ur1.ca/mt2dFeb 19 19:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Business Down for Some Large OEMs Despite Vista 7 | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 90 KBFeb 19 19:28
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Ender2070_it was blocked in your country before but this link should workFeb 19 19:35
schestowitzHey, trmancoFeb 19 19:35
schestowitzOhFeb 19 19:35
schestowitzEnder2070_: I'll watch this video later, thanksFeb 19 19:37
Ender2070_npFeb 19 19:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Visited school board offices, got contact information I needed for further research.Feb 19 19:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Mobile Strategy: Block #GNU #Linux Using Silver Lie http://ur1.ca/mt43 #silverlight #lockin #standardsFeb 19 19:49
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Microsofts Mobile Strategy: Block GNU/Linux Using Silver Lie | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 90.09 KBFeb 19 19:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] wut http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtOX_O_NKHY http://www.axecop.comFeb 19 19:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: YouTube- Axe Cop Fake Trailer Animatic .::. Size~: 116.18 KBFeb 19 19:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Axe Cop .::. Size~: 25.24 KBFeb 19 19:50
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FurnaceBoyhttp://etoileos.com/etoile/Feb 19 20:12
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Étoilé .::. Size~: 11.47 KBFeb 19 20:12
MinceRputting the menubar at the top of the screen still sucks :>Feb 19 20:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nathan Myhrvold’s Intellectual Ventures Could be Biggest Racketeering Operation in the United States and Beyond http://ur1.ca/mt7zFeb 19 20:23
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Nathan Myhrvolds Intellectual Ventures Could be Biggest Racketeering Operation in the United States and Beyond | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 95.17 KBFeb 19 20:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "This is why people in other countries want to blow us up." http://is.gd/8Kju0Feb 19 20:40
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Prosecute Dick Cheney for #torture after confession on ABC News. http://bit.ly/ckpOvQFeb 19 20:42
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Dick Cheney confessed to a war crime. Prosecute him. .::. Size~: 15.18 KBFeb 19 20:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Moving from #Mac OS X to Desktop #GNU #Linux Working Out Well http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10455816-16.htmlFeb 19 21:01
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The 'year of the Linux desktop' has passed | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 180.86 KBFeb 19 21:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Subscription-based Computing Business Goes with #GNU #Linux , Not #Windows http://ur1.ca/m6ptFeb 19 21:02
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Utah delivers vote of no confidence for 'climate alarmists' |Environment |The Guardian .::. Size~: 172.11 KBFeb 19 21:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Tonido Makes Personal #GNU #Linux Applications Servers http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6985/1/Feb 19 21:03
Diablo-D3schestowitz: you'll be interested in my next dentFeb 19 21:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I IZ IN UR SKEMA VIOLATIN UR CONSTRAINTZ #sql #sorryIamSuchAnerdFeb 19 21:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] PTS 2.4.1 Released for More #Kernel Space Benchmarks, Filesystems Compared http://ur1.ca/mtcy http://ur1.ca/mtczFeb 19 21:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] Phoronix Test Suite 2.4.1 "Lenvik" Released .::. Size~: 17.66 KBFeb 19 21:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] EXT3, EXT4, Btrfs Ubuntu Netbook Benchmarks .::. Size~: 18.69 KBFeb 19 21:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Graphics Stack Now with Free/Libre 3D http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7708/1.htmlFeb 19 21:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] X@FOSDEM 2010 Coverage http://ur1.ca/mtde http://ur1.ca/mtdfFeb 19 21:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle:    Set Your Desktop Free, With Nouveaus 3D |   Linux Magazine .::. Size~: 40.65 KBFeb 19 21:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] Talking Radeon GLSL From X@FOSDEM 2010 .::. Size~: 16.38 KBFeb 19 21:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] Listen Now: Luc's Heated Talk From X@FOSDEM .::. Size~: 16.29 KBFeb 19 21:07
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Robert Jacobsen and JMRI finally wins against #douchebag company KAM Industries http://ur1.ca/mtch !java #jmri !freesoftware !gnu #gplFeb 19 21:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: A Big Victory for F/OSS: Jacobsen v. Katzer is Settled - ConsortiumInfo.org .::. Size~: 34.73 KBFeb 19 21:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amarok 2.3 Reaches Beta, #KDE SC 4.4 in Polls http://ur1.ca/mtdw http://ur1.ca/mtdx http://ur1.ca/mtdyFeb 19 21:10
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schestowitzDiablo-D3: KAM?Feb 19 21:14
Diablo-D3schestowitz: SERIOUSLY?!Feb 19 21:14
Diablo-D3schestowitz: you havent been following this?!Feb 19 21:14
Diablo-D3basically, KAM makes a shitty product using a model railroad interface they don't ownFeb 19 21:14
schestowitzIT's Groklaw territoriesFeb 19 21:15
schestowitzI know about itFeb 19 21:15
Diablo-D3this dude makes a FOSS one thats a bunch better, and they sue himFeb 19 21:15
schestowitzI sent Groklaw mail about it last weekFeb 19 21:15
Diablo-D3and then he anal rapes themFeb 19 21:15
schestowitzI'm not interestedFeb 19 21:15
Diablo-D3and he winsFeb 19 21:15
schestowitzLegalese makes me hurlFeb 19 21:15
schestowitzlOok at SCOFeb 19 21:16
schestowitzLifeless lawyers have 5 years of their life down the loo doing what???Feb 19 21:16
schestowitzExchanging some paper over a bogus lawsuit?Feb 19 21:16
schestowitzI'd rather clean toilets.. would be MORE productiveFeb 19 21:16
FurnaceBoy:)Feb 19 21:18
schestowitzIn nature you can help as a medicFeb 19 21:19
schestowitzHeal some "defect" and save life, which no matter where you live, this counts as a positive (regardless of culture)Feb 19 21:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Desktop Gets More #OpenGL Goodness http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzk5OAFeb 19 21:22
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] Mutter Moves Ahead With New Release .::. Size~: 16.14 KBFeb 19 21:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LXDE Helps Old Computers Become Modern Again http://education.zdnet.com/?p=3645Feb 19 21:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Top #GNU #Linux Distributions of a Decade http://ur1.ca/mtfk http://ur1.ca/mtflFeb 19 21:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat to be at SCALE, Support People Sometimes Love #Fedora #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/mtft http://ur1.ca/mtfuFeb 19 21:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Red Hat Headlines Southern California Linux Expo | Business Wire .::. Size~: 68.77 KBFeb 19 21:27
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Please say Fedora  ::  Richard A. Johnson .::. Size~: 36 KBFeb 19 21:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Finds New Revenue Models http://ur1.ca/mtg4 http://ur1.ca/mtg5Feb 19 21:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] Ubuntu One Music Store Pushed In Rhythmbox .::. Size~: 16.91 KBFeb 19 21:29
phIRCe-BNcTitle:   Ubuntu Switches to Yahoo! Search & Kinda - Starry Hope Productions .::. Size~: 25.62 KBFeb 19 21:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxMint Too Good to Leave http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2359956,00.aspFeb 19 21:30
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Has Linux Mint Killed Distrohopping? - OS, Software & Networking by ExtremeTech .::. Size~: 62.84 KBFeb 19 21:30
Ender2070_http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/new/Feb 19 21:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: newest submissions : linux .::. Size~: 39.85 KBFeb 19 21:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reviews of #GNU #Linux Distributions for for Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/mtgr http://ur1.ca/mtgsFeb 19 21:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Jolicloud: The Operating System Download for Netbook Youve Been Looking For .::. Size~: 50.15 KBFeb 19 21:33
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DaemonFCI get messages that Powernow-k8 has failed limiting itself to cores 0 through 3Feb 19 21:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Faces Barrier with Close-minded Industry http://ur1.ca/mtguFeb 19 21:34
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DaemonFCof course it has, AMD broke the Phenom II to keep Vista from running a thread on an idling coreFeb 19 21:34
DaemonFCquestion is, why does powernow-k8 not recognize that it's not an original Phenom and not attempt per-core idling?Feb 19 21:35
DaemonFCoh well, I guess the worst thing that happens is it prints out ugly error messages and then falls back to entire CPU idle/no idle like the CPU has been rigged to doFeb 19 21:37
DaemonFCschestowitz, Vista causes your "global warming" :)Feb 19 21:37
FurnaceBoyyeah, and now gates will sell us the cure tooFeb 19 21:38
DaemonFCI noticed the ice and snow in my yard is melting and said "ZOMG VISTA!!!!!111 Al Gor was right! ManBearPig is out there using the Vista to cause global warming!!!111"Feb 19 21:38
DaemonFC:)Feb 19 21:38
DaemonFC*Al GoreFeb 19 21:39
schestowitzHi, DaemonFCFeb 19 21:39
schestowitzYes, Vista was slammed by GreenpeaceFeb 19 21:39
schestowitzIce will continue to meltFeb 19 21:40
schestowitzIt our nature to expandFeb 19 21:40
schestowitzIf it wasn't, we would be extinct by nowFeb 19 21:40
DaemonFChttp://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103669/?searchterm=ManbearpigFeb 19 21:40
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DaemonFCschestowitz, ManBearPig must be stopped!Feb 19 21:41
schestowitzOn the bright side, we won't be extinct in the near future (thousands of years)Feb 19 21:41
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: let's just keep it superficial, you'll lose DaemonFC ...Feb 19 21:41
schestowitzWe have some decades left to go (at best) before some scary faminesFeb 19 21:41
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, I'm totally serial!Feb 19 21:41
DaemonFC:DFeb 19 21:42
schestowitzLike tens or hundreds of millions of casualtiesFeb 19 21:42
schestowitzNot 4.5 million/year like in sub-Saharan AfricaFeb 19 21:42
DaemonFCI'm more concerned with our reliance on something that's so limitedFeb 19 21:42
DaemonFCit's going to be unaffordable to heat homes, drive cars, etc. when oil production peaks and more countries are now fighting for what's leftFeb 19 21:43
FurnaceBoy+1Feb 19 21:44
FurnaceBoythe military gets it first, DaemonFCFeb 19 21:44
FurnaceBoylargest consumer of oilFeb 19 21:44
FurnaceBoyyou come lastFeb 19 21:44
DaemonFCThat's what's going to cause your millions of deaths, starvation and lack of heatFeb 19 21:44
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: he's a Luddite-hypocriteFeb 19 21:44
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: no, lack of food shallFeb 19 21:44
DaemonFCyes, people generally starve when there's lack of foodFeb 19 21:44
DaemonFCunless I missed a memoFeb 19 21:44
schestowitzHe is intolerant of "everything on the list" and yet he is not tolerant of people who are against gay couples/marriage or US expansionaismFeb 19 21:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: no oil, no military; no military, no USA; you come last. Killing machine comes first.Feb 19 21:45
DaemonFChehFeb 19 21:45
schestowitzDaemonFC: it take energy to make foodFeb 19 21:45
schestowitzNot just the Sun's energyFeb 19 21:45
FurnaceBoyand distribute itFeb 19 21:45
schestowitzThe chain of food has energy or vice versaFeb 19 21:46
DaemonFCI don't really care. It would be nice if each country's military could no longer functionFeb 19 21:46
DaemonFC:)Feb 19 21:46
schestowitzYou need energy to extract energy and food (energy) and you need energy to make food (human-consumable energy)Feb 19 21:46
DaemonFCthe last war will probably be the Oil WarsFeb 19 21:46
schestowitzSo basically, unless we harness solar power, we're **Feb 19 21:46
DaemonFCschestowitz, The US has an abundance of desert which would be perfect for thisFeb 19 21:47
DaemonFCwe don't use it thoughFeb 19 21:48
schestowitz[21:46] <DaemonFC> the last war will probably be the Oil WarsFeb 19 21:48
schestowitzI feel guilty for almost sympathising with Nigerians who attack oil pipes from multinationalsFeb 19 21:48
DaemonFCschestowitz, a field of solar panels out in the Sonora DesertFeb 19 21:49
DaemonFCtell me what's wrong with this idea?Feb 19 21:49
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: such things are already being builtFeb 19 21:50
DaemonFCthe idea of mounting them on homes and offices is retardedFeb 19 21:50
DaemonFCit's more economical to build a turbine and throw cash money in it and light it on fire on that scaleFeb 19 21:50
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FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: there is a pretty neat idea that uses convection and a massive towerFeb 19 21:50
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: i think this is now ready for productionFeb 19 21:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Lists for the #Server Side http://ur1.ca/mtirFeb 19 21:51
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, You have to convince the suits that it's cheaper and they'll make more money than they are nowFeb 19 21:51
DaemonFCgood luckFeb 19 21:51
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: these things are already being builtFeb 19 21:51
DaemonFCsuits don't like to hear that they'll break even and start turning profit in 25 yearsFeb 19 21:52
FurnaceBoyyou like to shoot from the hip a lot, when the information is out there. you're like the anti-schestowitz, whose metier is research and checking things outFeb 19 21:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #FreeSoftware and #GNU #Linux Can Reduce Spendings in Government/Public Sector http://stop.zona-m.net/node/99Feb 19 21:52
DaemonFCthey want it ASAPFeb 19 21:52
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: these things are already being builtFeb 19 21:52
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you don't have to wildly speculate what your imaginary suit would do about itFeb 19 21:52
DaemonFCthe government probably made them do it or bribed them to do itFeb 19 21:52
FurnaceBoy..Feb 19 21:53
DaemonFCthe company will make it failFeb 19 21:53
DaemonFCwe never hear about it againFeb 19 21:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] It seems that the gparted live cd may be able to breathe life into corrupted ntfs partitions, fingers crossed.Feb 19 21:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla to Target More #Linux Phones http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/02/17/firefox-mobile-for-android-due-out-this-year #firefoxFeb 19 21:53
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: please learn to separate what is a creation of your own mind, and what is realityFeb 19 21:53
DaemonFCthe GM EV-1, was it?Feb 19 21:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Signs That #Oracle Chooses #GNU #Linux Over #Solaris http://ur1.ca/mtj9 http://ur1.ca/mtjaFeb 19 21:54
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DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Yes I know that the Tesla outfit is making electric cars that are prohibitively expensiveFeb 19 21:54
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that's a completely different topic from solar power generationFeb 19 21:54
DaemonFCit's more economical to drive a Hummer H1 around than buy an electric carFeb 19 21:54
FurnaceBoyi don't own a car.Feb 19 21:55
DaemonFCyou can get away with that in most cities >50,000 peopleFeb 19 21:55
DaemonFCunfortunately, the recession is changing thatFeb 19 21:55
DaemonFCcities are slashing their city bus systemsFeb 19 21:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #PCBSD 's Firewall Manager, New #Bordeaux for #Win32 Apps http://ur1.ca/mtjd http://ur1.ca/mtjfFeb 19 21:56
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DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Now that we need it most is when the public transportation we did have is going awayFeb 19 21:56
DaemonFC:)Feb 19 21:56
FurnaceBoyit's not going away in the civilised world.Feb 19 21:56
FurnaceBoyit's self-evidently neededFeb 19 21:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oracle's Bray on #HTML5 http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/02/15/HTML5Feb 19 21:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ongoing by Tim Bray · HTML5 .::. Size~: 50.01 KBFeb 19 21:57
FurnaceBoybut then, i guess you never took the Moscow metro...Feb 19 21:57
DaemonFCthere's still plenty of public transportations in cities like ChicagoFeb 19 21:57
DaemonFCNew YorkFeb 19 21:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship Takes Another Step Ahead in #France http://ur1.ca/mtjv http://ur1.ca/mpb1Feb 19 21:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: The Big Brother of Europe?: France Moves Closer to Unprecedented Internet Regulation - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International .::. Size~: 35.15 KBFeb 19 21:58
FurnaceBoy...Sao paulo, london, toronto, ...Feb 19 21:58
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Move over, Australia: France taking 'Net censorship lead  .::. Size~: 31.31 KBFeb 19 21:58
DaemonFCI'm talking the smaller metro areas, cities with only a million people or lessFeb 19 21:58
FurnaceBoyyes i know. well, they'll figure it out eventually.Feb 19 21:58
DaemonFCIndianapolis, Fort Wayne, Lafayette, Muncie, Anderson, Bloomington, and Evansville have good public transportationFeb 19 21:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nintendo Attacks Harmless #Hacking http://www.itnews.com.au/News/167490,nintendo-wins-lawsuit-over-r4-mod-chip-piracy.aspxFeb 19 21:59
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DaemonFCthat leaves about 4 million people in Indiana with little or no public transportation optionsFeb 19 21:59
DaemonFCthe other 3 million can go without cars all they likeFeb 19 22:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubisoft 's Experiments with #DRM Misguided http://techdirt.com/articles/20100218/1514238229.shtmlFeb 19 22:00
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Ubisoft DRM Gets Worse And Worse: Kicks You Out Of Game If You Have A Flakey WiFi Connection | Techdirt .::. Size~: 99.4 KBFeb 19 22:00
FurnaceBoysure, it's unfortunate, but my sympathy is limited for wilful dumbFeb 19 22:00
FurnaceBoynot like nobody saw this comingFeb 19 22:00
DaemonFCit's not willfull, it's the fact that most people can still afford a car, don't give a shit about public transportation, and voteFeb 19 22:00
DaemonFCwoohoo!Feb 19 22:00
FurnaceBoyEurope has been sitting there as an example for a few thousand years. Ignore it at your peril.Feb 19 22:01
DaemonFCthe other 30% don't get the public transportation and have to pay an arm, leg, eye, kidney, and testicle for a carFeb 19 22:01
DaemonFCproportionate to their budgetFeb 19 22:01
FurnaceBoyafter they've finished paying for health insurance heheFeb 19 22:01
DaemonFCand car insuranceFeb 19 22:01
DaemonFCdon't forget thatFeb 19 22:01
FurnaceBoyseriously, if i were a Yank, i'd have emigrated when i turned 18,Feb 19 22:01
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, You basically have to get more coverage than the state makes you get anywayFeb 19 22:02
FurnaceBoydone a Henry Miller, one might sayFeb 19 22:02
DaemonFCI think the body injury is $25,000 per person per accident with a $50,000 maximum for state minimum in IndianaFeb 19 22:02
DaemonFCthey go to ER and have x-rays and cat scans alone, it could already be up to $10,000Feb 19 22:03
DaemonFCthat's if they're not even really hurtFeb 19 22:03
FurnaceBoyso don't driveFeb 19 22:03
DaemonFCthen they can get some sleazebag shyster lawyer and sue you for "emotional distress"Feb 19 22:04
DaemonFC:)Feb 19 22:04
*FurnaceBoy bbiab'sFeb 19 22:04
DaemonFCso how much coverage is enough? Who knows.Feb 19 22:04
DaemonFCdepends on how badly you want to get fucked if they need surgery and a hospital stayFeb 19 22:05
DaemonFCthat could easily get up in the hundreds of thousands of dollarsFeb 19 22:05
DaemonFCschestowitz, My favorite bit is how on the back of your insurance card it says "Stay at the scene, don't admit fault, don't discuss coverage limits, don't talk to anyone but us or the police."Feb 19 22:06
DaemonFClolFeb 19 22:06
DaemonFCthe idea of mandatory health insurance is good on that levelFeb 19 22:08
DaemonFCyou hit someone, their health insurance has to cover it, no more guessing how much you're about to be rapedFeb 19 22:09
DaemonFCthe government just rapes you a little bit around the same time every month and you're never financially liable for running into someone againFeb 19 22:09
DaemonFCand car insurance premiums would go down if there was no need for bodily injury liabilityFeb 19 22:10
DaemonFC:)Feb 19 22:10
DaemonFCschestowitz, Why don't politicians put it that way?Feb 19 22:11
DaemonFCStart listing some things like thatFeb 19 22:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple is Promoting #DRM Again http://www.katonda.com/blog/780/apple-prepares-drm-ipadFeb 19 22:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] "I don't get to play by different rules" - Tiger Woods, just don't mention the highly controlled press conference with fluffy journalistsFeb 19 22:16
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DaemonFCApple promotes DRM, in other news the sun rose todayFeb 19 22:22
DaemonFCNow you know, and knowing is half the battle!Feb 19 22:22
DaemonFChttp://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?t=21445Feb 19 22:24
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DaemonFCnyaaaahFeb 19 22:24
tessierIt's funny how insurance is a very successful form of socialism which conservatives can support.Feb 19 22:26
MinceRthey can?Feb 19 22:26
schestowitzTo Palin, Not Republican/conservative = "Anti American" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-7z4aGZz08Feb 19 22:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] SCO vs. Linux: SCO majority owner wants to finance SCO http://is.gd/8KHvg #unixFeb 19 22:29
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*DaemonFC is ripping out the Ubuntu kernels :)Feb 19 22:30
DaemonFCI'm just going to maintain my own because they workFeb 19 22:32
DaemonFCand Ubuntu always does something fucking stupid that cripples my systemFeb 19 22:32
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] SCO vs. Linux: SCO majority owner wants to finance SCO http://is.gd/8KHvg #unixFeb 19 22:32
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Ender2070DaemonFC - there could be a fedora kernel already made for thatFeb 19 22:34
DaemonFCyeah, X.org is too new in FedoraFeb 19 22:35
Ender2070nothing is too newFeb 19 22:35
DaemonFCtoo new for ATI supportFeb 19 22:35
Ender2070ati sucksFeb 19 22:36
Ender2070theres some things you need to keep up withFeb 19 22:36
Ender2070xorg, gcc, kernel and a few other thingsFeb 19 22:36
Ender2070ATI is not supporting their users fast enoughFeb 19 22:37
Ender2070I shouldn't have to use an old xorgFeb 19 22:37
Diablo-D3Ender2070: btwFeb 19 22:38
Diablo-D3the fix for xserver 1.7 is coming out next month from what I've heardFeb 19 22:38
Ender2070for nouveau you WANT the latest xorgFeb 19 22:38
Diablo-D3on fglrx I meanFeb 19 22:38
Diablo-D3AMD has been really busy on dri2/gallium3DFeb 19 22:39
Ender2070nouveau just got 3d supportFeb 19 22:39
Diablo-D3so I dont entirely blame themFeb 19 22:39
Ender2070gallium3d enabledFeb 19 22:39
Diablo-D3yes, good for nouvaeuFeb 19 22:39
Diablo-D3but do rememberFeb 19 22:39
Ender2070first gallium3d driver to support kms I thinkFeb 19 22:39
Diablo-D3nvidia has htreatened to sue themFeb 19 22:39
Diablo-D3Ender2070: noFeb 19 22:39
Diablo-D3radeon wasFeb 19 22:39
Ender2070kms?Feb 19 22:39
Diablo-D3yes.Feb 19 22:39
Diablo-D3pretty sure on thatFeb 19 22:39
Ender2070im pretty sure its not kmsFeb 19 22:39
Ender2070it might be gallium3d thoughFeb 19 22:39
Diablo-D3almost all the mesaland devs do dev almost all on radeonFeb 19 22:39
Ender2070iirc, nvidia claimed they wouldn't sueFeb 19 22:40
Diablo-D3claimed, yesFeb 19 22:40
Ender2070they said nouveau was doing a great jobFeb 19 22:40
Ender2070i doubt reverse engineering will uncover trade secretsFeb 19 22:40
Diablo-D3it wont, and cant.Feb 19 22:41
Ender2070exactlyFeb 19 22:41
Diablo-D3this is why AMD opens all specsFeb 19 22:41
Ender2070nvidia uses 80% of the same code base for win, mac and linuxFeb 19 22:41
Ender2070so all their game fixes are in itFeb 19 22:41
Diablo-D3if open source drivers violate nvidia's licensed tech, thats their own problemFeb 19 22:41
Ender2070trade secretsFeb 19 22:41
Diablo-D3nvidia shouldnt have used the tech that way so others could easily wander in and find itFeb 19 22:41
Ender2070howeverFeb 19 22:42
Ender2070on the other end you have ATIFeb 19 22:42
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DaemonFCno kidding, but apparently AMD will be doing that in Catalyst 10.3 on LinuxFeb 19 22:43
Ender2070who seems to be just handing away things so they dont have to do anything anymoreFeb 19 22:43
DaemonFCdetects what program is running and applies optimizations for that programFeb 19 22:43
Ender2070they released a 5000s series linux driver, on time, but it didnt do shitFeb 19 22:43
Diablo-D3thats not quite the problemFeb 19 22:43
Diablo-D3AMD is focusing on mesaland a lotFeb 19 22:43
Ender2070the community got to fix it for themFeb 19 22:43
Diablo-D3so fglrx dev is slippingFeb 19 22:43
DaemonFCyeah, it didn't work but it got rid of the "Unsupported Hardware" messageFeb 19 22:43
DaemonFCthat was funnyFeb 19 22:43
Diablo-D3this is, in fact, totally okayFeb 19 22:44
Diablo-D3if mesaland is greatly furthered by AMD's work, this means we're much closer to getting rid of fglrx altogetherFeb 19 22:44
Diablo-D3this is the ultimate goal.Feb 19 22:44
DaemonFCFGLRX is bitrotFeb 19 22:44
Ender2070ill wait for ATI's opensource drivers to be as good as their proprietary ones before I buy anything newFeb 19 22:44
DaemonFCwithin the year, you may not even need itFeb 19 22:44
DaemonFCwhich is goodFeb 19 22:44
Ender2070at least ATI is giving away documentationFeb 19 22:45
Diablo-D3well, dont say ATI's open sourceFeb 19 22:45
Diablo-D3this belongs to mesaland, not themFeb 19 22:45
Diablo-D3their work applies equally to all vendors who choose to use the stackFeb 19 22:45
Ender2070ahhhFeb 19 22:45
Ender2070well i mean the open source driversFeb 19 22:45
DaemonFCthey know Nvidia never willFeb 19 22:45
DaemonFC(use MESA)Feb 19 22:45
Diablo-D3gallium3D would still be somebody's dream if it wasn't for AMD's efforts imoFeb 19 22:45
Ender2070they have to perform as good as their proprietary onesFeb 19 22:45
Diablo-D3well, at least it wouldnt be nearly as done as it isFeb 19 22:46
Diablo-D3Ender2070: btw they doFeb 19 22:46
DaemonFCThey don't perform as well as FGLRX and they don't support OpenGL 3.2Feb 19 22:46
Diablo-D3the 2D part using EXA on git radeon is the fastest shit everFeb 19 22:46
Ender2070they also don't support CUDAFeb 19 22:46
Diablo-D3the 3D part, although incomplete, smokes everythingFeb 19 22:46
Diablo-D3nothing supports CUDAFeb 19 22:46
Diablo-D3its not a standard.Feb 19 22:46
Ender2070I use it with pyritFeb 19 22:47
Ender2070i kind of need itFeb 19 22:47
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Diablo-D3nvidia is welcome to make CUDA public and add it to gallium3DFeb 19 22:47
Diablo-D3but that is their choiceFeb 19 22:47
Ender2070CUDA isnt necessarily for graphicsFeb 19 22:47
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_netbook_fs&num=1Feb 19 22:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: [Phoronix] EXT3, EXT4, Btrfs Ubuntu Netbook Benchmarks .::. Size~: 18.73 KBFeb 19 22:47
DaemonFCbtrfs is still slowFeb 19 22:47
Diablo-D3Ender2070: I think you misunderstoodFeb 19 22:47
Diablo-D3the GLSL compiler is part of gallium3DFeb 19 22:47
Diablo-D3mesa does the api for it, gallium3D does the actual compiling, and gallium3d/dri2 handles the actual uploading of compiled shaders to the cardFeb 19 22:48
Diablo-D3for example, you could create a direct3D implementation that is native on linuxFeb 19 22:48
Diablo-D3it just plugs into gallium3D where mesa does.Feb 19 22:48
Diablo-D3the whole stack is very flexable and modularFeb 19 22:49
Diablo-D3so adding a CUDA compiler that uses the gallium3D/dri2 backend is validFeb 19 22:49
Diablo-D3Ender2070: btw, the side effect of this isFeb 19 22:49
Ender2070DaemonFC - your a moron stillFeb 19 22:49
Diablo-D3the cuda compiler would probably be using a lot of stuff from the glsl compilerFeb 19 22:49
Diablo-D3so it'll be a llvm compilerFeb 19 22:49
Diablo-D3which means it'll be a magnitude better than nvidia's ownFeb 19 22:49
Ender2070DaemonFC - btrfs isn't for speed, its for the features it supports which are missing in ext3/4Feb 19 22:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @luisvidigal: Num pais de carencia de valores candidaturas como a de Fernando Nobre sao messianicasFeb 19 22:50
DaemonFCI'd rather have the speedFeb 19 22:50
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DaemonFChard disks are slow enough as-isFeb 19 22:50
DaemonFCI don't want a fs that makes it worseFeb 19 22:50
MinceRuse /dev/null thenFeb 19 22:50
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Ender2070Diablo-D3 - well then we need them to publish CUDA for us :)Feb 19 22:50
Diablo-D3Ender2070: yes.Feb 19 22:50
MinceRor ext4 (which is almost the same thing anyway ;) )Feb 19 22:50
Diablo-D3although it may be possible to reverse engineer from the "end user" docsFeb 19 22:50
DaemonFCMinceR, Yeah, all that bitching over XFS and FUD and allFeb 19 22:51
Diablo-D3Ender2070: btw, this is going to be hilarious Feb 19 22:51
DaemonFCthen they release Ext4Feb 19 22:51
DaemonFCand it really does much your dataFeb 19 22:51
Diablo-D3gallium3D's glsl compiler follows the specFeb 19 22:51
MinceR:>Feb 19 22:51
DaemonFCoftenFeb 19 22:51
Omar87clearFeb 19 22:51
DaemonFCand I lul'dFeb 19 22:51
Diablo-D3which means a lot of nvidia glsl shaders will not work on linuxFeb 19 22:51
Diablo-D3lolololololFeb 19 22:51
Omar87Hi all.Feb 19 22:51
Omar87Greetings everyone. :)Feb 19 22:51
Diablo-D3nvidia's glsl compiler is such crapFeb 19 22:51
MinceRhay Omar87 Feb 19 22:51
Diablo-D3it allows some of the most broken shit everFeb 19 22:51
DaemonFCExt4 makes XFS look like the most perfect thing ever doneFeb 19 22:52
DaemonFCthat's my opinionFeb 19 22:52
Ender2070DaemonFC - btrfs is good if you want snapshots, file security and some of the other advanced featuresFeb 19 22:52
DaemonFCit has taken Ext4 til 2009 to get the featureset of XFS in 1994, and it's still missing shitFeb 19 22:52
DaemonFCand having data loss issuesFeb 19 22:52
Diablo-D3btrfs isnt slow, for the recordFeb 19 22:52
Diablo-D3for what it does, its faster than the alternatives.Feb 19 22:52
Diablo-D3in the real world, it isn't slower enough to actually give a fuckFeb 19 22:53
Diablo-D3OH WELL IT USES 2% MORE CPU TIMEFeb 19 22:53
Diablo-D3who cares.Feb 19 22:53
MinceRnot many fs-es can do what btrfs does at allFeb 19 22:53
Diablo-D3MinceR: zfs.Feb 19 22:53
MinceRthat's oneFeb 19 22:53
Diablo-D3and since btrfs is the zfs killer, thats not surprisingFeb 19 22:53
Ender2070it would've been nice to test zfs against ext4 and btrfsFeb 19 22:53
DaemonFCthat's what they'r doing for the official Linux stuff in many casesFeb 19 22:53
DaemonFCrewriting stuff that's already in the kernel and already GPL'dFeb 19 22:53
DaemonFCor worse, refusing to merge the GPL'd thing that works better and has all the featuresFeb 19 22:54
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DaemonFCExt4 suffers from all the limitations that XFS has anyway, such as the fact that you can't shrink itFeb 19 22:55
DaemonFCso where did they improve on XFS?Feb 19 22:55
Ender2070who caresFeb 19 22:55
Ender2070btrfs is better in all casesFeb 19 22:55
DaemonFCin features maybeFeb 19 22:56
DaemonFClet me know when it's fasterFeb 19 22:56
Diablo-D3yes, it isFeb 19 22:57
Diablo-D3but small problemFeb 19 22:57
Diablo-D3its not considered stable yet.Feb 19 22:57
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FurnaceBoyMinceR: moreover, ZFS was first, and has been in production use for half a decade. btrfs is the "me too".Feb 19 23:00
FurnaceBoyand won't be mature for another half a decade :)Feb 19 23:00
schestowitzThey said that about Ballmer tooFeb 19 23:01
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: as i've said many times here, any COW system gives you functionality a write-in-place system cannot offer.Feb 19 23:01
MinceRzfs was licensed in a decidedly malicious wayFeb 19 23:01
MinceRmaybe oracle will fix that, maybe they won'tFeb 19 23:01
FurnaceBoyMinceR: stay tuned yeahFeb 19 23:01
schestowitzGPL incomptFeb 19 23:01
schestowitzYes, it's claimed to have been deliberateFeb 19 23:01
FurnaceBoyMinceR: it doesn't really matter; Solaris + OpenSolaris are great systems anyway, and not just because of ZFSFeb 19 23:01
MinceReven if they relicense it under the GPL, afaik it isn't going to be easy to adapt it to the linux modelFeb 19 23:01
schestowitzDanese CooperFeb 19 23:01
MinceRFurnaceBoy: i won't buy slowlarisFeb 19 23:01
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yes, it's a business decisionFeb 19 23:01
FurnaceBoyMinceR: it's freeFeb 19 23:01
MinceRi won't take itFeb 19 23:02
FurnaceBoywhy not?Feb 19 23:02
schestowitzAt Sun, Cooper created and managed the Open Source Programs Office at Sun from March 1999 until March 2005. She chose the Sun Public License for NetBeans software, helped draft the CDDL for OpenSolaris and worked on the creation of the Sun Industry Standards Source License for TI-RPC,Feb 19 23:02
MinceRthey're going to have to show more than just a filesystem that's going to become obsolete soon anywayFeb 19 23:02
FurnaceBoyit has capabilities well beyond linux, mostly server-orientedFeb 19 23:02
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_CooperFeb 19 23:02
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FurnaceBoyMinceR: it has much more than ZFS to offer.Feb 19 23:02
FurnaceBoyMinceR: zones, for just one exampleFeb 19 23:02
FurnaceBoyMinceR: but ZFS is enough that I won't ever run Linux on a server.Feb 19 23:02
schestowitzzones?Feb 19 23:02
FurnaceBoycan't competeFeb 19 23:02
MinceRif i had a dollar for every time someone claimed x os was beyond linux and turned out to be wrong, i'd be rich nowFeb 19 23:02
schestowitz"I'm in the zone!!"Feb 19 23:03
FurnaceBoyMinceR: this isn't in dispute. Solaris offers many server-oriented features Linux doesn't have.Feb 19 23:03
MinceRespecially about bsd-sFeb 19 23:03
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7yfISlGLNUFeb 19 23:03
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FurnaceBoySolaris isn't BSD.Feb 19 23:03
FurnaceBoyfact check.Feb 19 23:03
MinceRFurnaceBoy: yeah, you've just proclaimed itFeb 19 23:03
FurnaceBoyMinceR: it's factFeb 19 23:03
FurnaceBoyMinceR: ZFS; Zones; RBAC; and quite a few others.Feb 19 23:03
FurnaceBoyMinceR: you clearly don't use Solaris :)Feb 19 23:03
MinceRactually linux has rbacFeb 19 23:03
FurnaceBoyI use bothFeb 19 23:03
FurnaceBoyLinux on a desktop; but I would not spec Linux on a server, mainly due to lack of ZFS.Feb 19 23:04
MinceRand it also has containers and vserverFeb 19 23:04
MinceRyeah, they aren't called "zones", so what?Feb 19 23:04
FurnaceBoythey aren't the same as zones, either.Feb 19 23:04
FurnaceBoyand zones are just one example.Feb 19 23:04
MinceRyeah, every time you're proven wrong, it was just an exampleFeb 19 23:04
FurnaceBoyit's pointless to claim Linux has all of Solaris' capabilities; it doesn't,Feb 19 23:04
FurnaceBoyLinux is fine for a desktop. I use it there.Feb 19 23:04
FurnaceBoyi used to use Linux on serversFeb 19 23:05
FurnaceBoyfor many yearsFeb 19 23:05
MinceRit's pointless to claim slowlaris has all of linux's capabilities -- it doesn'tFeb 19 23:05
FurnaceBoybut lack of ZFS is a deal breakerFeb 19 23:05
MinceRfor you.Feb 19 23:05
FurnaceBoyand I also use zonesFeb 19 23:05
MinceRand i don'tFeb 19 23:05
FurnaceBoywell, Linux has nothing that can do what ZFS does.Feb 19 23:05
FurnaceBoyessentially it has no competition at this timeFeb 19 23:05
MinceRis your root fs ZFS?Feb 19 23:05
FurnaceBoybtrfs will compete laterFeb 19 23:05
FurnaceBoyMinceR: yesFeb 19 23:06
MinceRi can wait for btrfsFeb 19 23:06
FurnaceBoysure, but some people spec servers today and need what zfs deliversFeb 19 23:06
MinceRyou sound like an advertisementFeb 19 23:06
FurnaceBoyeh?Feb 19 23:06
FurnaceBoyno, this is on technical grounds.Feb 19 23:06
FurnaceBoyit obsoletes hardware raid, and conventional write-in-place systems.Feb 19 23:07
MinceRzones are container virtualization; linux has several technologies to do thatFeb 19 23:07
MinceRlinux already has an equivalent to raid and COW via LFSFeb 19 23:08
FurnaceBoyi'm aware it's gaining in this areaFeb 19 23:08
MinceRoopsFeb 19 23:08
MinceRs/LFS/LVM/Feb 19 23:08
MinceR:)Feb 19 23:08
FurnaceBoyMinceR: end to end checksums?Feb 19 23:08
FurnaceBoyno.Feb 19 23:08
MinceRnot sureFeb 19 23:08
FurnaceBoydefinitely not. nobody has that. not even NetAPpFeb 19 23:08
FurnaceBoywhich means no self healingFeb 19 23:09
FurnaceBoyetcFeb 19 23:09
FurnaceBoyit's a fundamental differenceFeb 19 23:09
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MinceRhow does checksumming provide self healing?Feb 19 23:09
FurnaceBoyanyway, the technical descriptions are out thereFeb 19 23:09
FurnaceBoyyou seem very unfamiliar with zfsFeb 19 23:09
MinceRif i had a hardon for zfs, i'd use it via fuseFeb 19 23:10
MinceRbut i don't :>Feb 19 23:10
FurnaceBoyMinceR: very simple -- and it illuminates why hw raid is so uselessFeb 19 23:10
FurnaceBoyMinceR: it's not "having a hardon" for it. it just does things other systems can't do, and that's valuable.Feb 19 23:10
MinceR"useless" for what?Feb 19 23:10
FurnaceBoyhehFeb 19 23:10
MinceRafaik it's quite useful for the only thing it can be relied upon to doFeb 19 23:10
FurnaceBoyyou don't realise that raid-1 and software raid-1 trusts integrity to dumb luck?Feb 19 23:10
MinceRto reduce downtime due to drive failuresFeb 19 23:10
FurnaceBoyright, but it offers no integrity guaranteeFeb 19 23:11
FurnaceBoyunlike zfsFeb 19 23:11
MinceRto protect against data loss, raid won't do -- you need backupsFeb 19 23:11
FurnaceBoyno, i'm not talking about substituting for backups.Feb 19 23:11
FurnaceBoyzfs is the only system on a unix O/S to offer a data integrity guarantee. raid cannot, whether hw or sw.Feb 19 23:11
MinceRyou're claiming zfs completely obsoletes raid for everyoneFeb 19 23:11
MinceReven though it does notFeb 19 23:11
FurnaceBoynot for everyone -- only people who need data integrity.Feb 19 23:12
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MinceRi'll say it again for you: raid isn't for data integrity, it's for availabilityFeb 19 23:12
FurnaceBoyand i'll say it again: ZFS offers data integrity while RAID cannot.Feb 19 23:12
MinceR(and sometimes performance, iirc)Feb 19 23:12
FurnaceBoyend to end checksums combined with self healing deliver that.Feb 19 23:12
MinceRwhile it might be nifty, missing that is hardly a deal-breaker.Feb 19 23:12
FurnaceBoynot for you, no.Feb 19 23:13
FurnaceBoythat's fine. just pointing out that there is a difference.Feb 19 23:13
MinceRnot reallyFeb 19 23:13
FurnaceBoymany people don't know there is a difference, it's nice you do.Feb 19 23:13
MinceRyou're trying to say that there's no reason for anyone to use anything but slowlaris on a serverFeb 19 23:13
FurnaceBoyno.Feb 19 23:13
MinceRbecause everyone absolutely must have ZFSFeb 19 23:13
FurnaceBoyjust that I never would, unless this capability reaches LinuxFeb 19 23:13
FurnaceBoyno. stop exaggerating.Feb 19 23:14
MinceRi'm not the one exaggerating here.Feb 19 23:14
FurnaceBoyZFS technically obsoletes the rest; people can make their own choices.Feb 19 23:14
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FurnaceBoythe distinction here is mostly between write-in-place and COW, which is also necessary to guarantee integrity.Feb 19 23:14
FurnaceBoywrite-in-place also trusts to dumb luck to maintain metadata.Feb 19 23:15
FurnaceBoyZFS uses more than dumb luck here.Feb 19 23:15
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FurnaceBoyall this is documented, in any case.Feb 19 23:15
Atlas2070DaemonFC - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Building_a_custom_kernelFeb 19 23:15
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Atlas2070you can do it on Fedora tooFeb 19 23:15
Atlas2070quite easilyFeb 19 23:15
Atlas2070i might make a bfs kernel and setup a repoFeb 19 23:15
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FurnaceBoycryptographic hash on Merkle trees, COW, atomic updates, end to end checksums, self healing, integrated volume management -- all work together.Feb 19 23:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Let me spell it out for ya. Conventional #filesystems and #raid trust data & metadata integrity to DUMB LUCK. #ZFS uses more than dumb luck.Feb 19 23:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Sun calling #ZFS a "filesystem" falsely implies comparability to conventional #filesystems. The generational shift should not be overlookedFeb 19 23:29
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