MinceR | to use an RTS analogy, you can build base defense while preparing to attack (and eliminate) your opponent's forces | Feb 26 00:01 |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dude, the phone problem is happening again #wireside | Feb 26 00:07 | |
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schestowitz | http://webmink.com/2010/02/25/links-for-2010-02-25/ "Various EU politicians have worked out that “three-strikes” arouses hatred in voters. All the same, the motivation in introducing the legislation is to clear the ground for ratification of ACTA, so we need to stay vigilant as this is almost certainly window-dressing." | Feb 26 00:12 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: aye | Feb 26 00:12 |
schestowitz | "Dawkinsism" *LOL* http://edgeperspectives.typepad.com/edge_perspectives/2010/02/reinventing-the-sacred.html | Feb 26 00:13 |
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MinceR | i don't see "Dawkinsism" there | Feb 26 00:14 |
MinceR | hm, maybe i'm getting it | Feb 26 00:14 |
schestowitz | http://www.the-source.com/2010/02/all-source-is-open-source-to-someone/ | Feb 26 00:17 |
schestowitz | BSA again | Feb 26 00:17 |
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schestowitz | ping zoobab ^^^ | Feb 26 00:17 |
MinceR | good article | Feb 26 00:18 |
schestowitz | ping zoobab ^^^iTunes sells 10 billionth track http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8536145.stm | Feb 26 00:19 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: it's a good site | Feb 26 00:19 |
schestowitz | He used to be here in #bn | Feb 26 00:19 |
schestowitz | Melton | Feb 26 00:19 |
MinceR | what happened to him? | Feb 26 00:20 |
schestowitz | He started a site | Feb 26 00:20 |
schestowitz | Mono-nono | Feb 26 00:20 |
schestowitz | Then moved there | Feb 26 00:20 |
MinceR | how does that preclude presence in #bn? :> | Feb 26 00:20 |
schestowitz | Every post from him is insightful | Feb 26 00:22 |
schestowitz | MinceR: he ran "Ubuntu and Me" | Feb 26 00:23 |
schestowitz | Like "U and me" | Feb 26 00:23 |
schestowitz | Before going more hardcore on Microsoft abuses | Feb 26 00:23 |
schestowitz | Writing about mono problems and getting abused | Feb 26 00:23 |
schestowitz | I'm glad we have another Groklaw-type site now | Feb 26 00:23 |
schestowitz | Mono-Nono is in sleep mode | Feb 26 00:23 |
schestowitz | Mainenance | Feb 26 00:23 |
schestowitz | He moved to The Source maybe to escape negative connotations | Feb 26 00:24 |
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schestowitz | Just my hunch anyway, I never E-mailed him | Feb 26 00:25 |
schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1593620/uk-shuns-ecall-life-saver | Feb 26 00:31 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @garydunion: BBC to sacrifice 6Music in an obviously doomed attempt to placate Tories & Rupert Murdoch http://bit.ly/di4Vkn >>FUCK!!<< | Feb 26 00:32 | |
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schestowitz | Steve Furber in /. http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1716385 | Feb 26 00:34 |
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schestowitz | He knows me.... | Feb 26 00:34 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Harper: #Torture has no place among civilised people. When are you going to make real amends for #Canada's complicity? http://bit.ly/bn55i5 | Feb 26 00:38 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Only WWE arrogance would have Danielson "proving himself"...#wwe hey! WWE you seen the competition to your product lately? #tna #roh #noah | Feb 26 00:44 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] #WWE needs to realize that wrestling fans want to watch wrestling.....strange that isn't it? #wwe #tna #noah #roh | Feb 26 00:44 | |
DaemonFC | "The mafiAA, Microsoft, etc. are like coyotes, they'll eat corpses and the elderly and sick and otherwise infirm because it's less of a fight. (and they get to make headlines!)" -me | Feb 26 00:50 |
DaemonFC | :D | Feb 26 00:50 |
MinceR | gn | Feb 26 00:51 |
schestowitz | Microsoft has another deal | Feb 26 00:53 |
schestowitz | Panasonic | Feb 26 00:53 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @jshholland: Have put all of @jonobacon's Severed Fifth tracks on simultaneously. It is incredible. :: Wow, even I wouldn't do that. :-) | Feb 26 00:54 | |
schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5401 | Feb 26 00:54 |
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schestowitz | So sweaty Steve will sleep drier tonight | Feb 26 00:54 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Unleashes the Hounds on #Google While Abusing the Law with Warrantless Spying http://ur1.ca/nkuk | Feb 26 00:55 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Who cd have predicted factory farming of #salmon 4 #WalMart low-price palate wd result in horrific virus-borne plague? http://bit.ly/9MNLTO | Feb 26 00:56 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] old dead keyboard 0.63 kg new old compaq keyboard 1.3 kg this is not a competition but has anyone a heavier keyboard? | Feb 26 01:16 | |
schestowitz | jono: http://portal.totalimpactltd.com/skye/blog/?p=70 "Needless to say, I think my days of using Ubuntu Server are numbered. Too much about how it handles itself just isn’t normal. Because of this, I’m forced to restrict most of my troubleshooting to looking around Ubuntu-centric hangouts. I was fairly impressed with OpenSUSE’s installation process the last time I went through it, perhaps its time to put Novell to test one | Feb 26 01:16 |
schestowitz | more time?" | Feb 26 01:16 |
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schestowitz | Unrest issue there | Feb 26 01:16 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] no add ons only the basic keyboard | Feb 26 01:17 | |
schestowitz | DaemonFOX: what are you talking about? | Feb 26 01:17 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Check out Percy Pringles blog! http://percysposts.blogspot.com/ - For those that don't know, he was the manager of the Undertaker. | Feb 26 01:18 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Ford knows something about composition and lighting, perhaps a bit too much" Faint praise for A Single Man #movies http://bit.ly/ak9leO | Feb 26 01:18 | |
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DaemonFC | http://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?t=21488 | Feb 26 01:20 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Mouth watering Jocelyne #French #pastry from Pain Perdu, 736 #StClairW (near Rushton Rd) #Toronto (delicious chicken sandwich too!) #food | Feb 26 01:22 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin you are either an insomniac or a shift worker. | Feb 26 01:25 | |
schestowitz | http://www.androidguys.com/2010/02/24/nexus-event-cancelled-china/ | Feb 26 01:25 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Australia warned #Israel against identity theft, nearly 20 years before #Dubai hit. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1152161.html #crime | Feb 26 01:29 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "We..raised issue of Israeli..officers using foreign passports & that they shouldn't consider using Australian p/ports" <-Downer is pathetic | Feb 26 01:31 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Poor old Alexander Downer, if you had balls you would have told #israel they'd be prosecuted for using *any* country's passports for #murder | Feb 26 01:33 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin tending to insomnia myself. | Feb 26 01:36 | |
bruce89 | sebsebseb: yes | Feb 26 01:36 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: bruce89 here's another music store one http://popey.com/blog/2010/02/20/u1-music-store-store-music-in-u1/ | Feb 26 01:36 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: U1 Music Store Store Music in U1? | popey.com blog .::. Size~: 63.37 KB | Feb 26 01:36 |
bruce89 | you see, i | Feb 26 01:36 |
bruce89 | ESP | Feb 26 01:36 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: ESP? | Feb 26 01:36 |
bruce89 | I don't think that article is that good really | Feb 26 01:41 |
DaemonFC | it sucks | Feb 26 01:41 |
bruce89 | all it told me is how Ubuntu don't respect the XDG common directories spec | Feb 26 01:41 |
sebsebseb | he has another one | Feb 26 01:42 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I'll tell you what sucks, or well at least without any accounts set up in the social features, yep Lucid Lynx Alpha 3 | Feb 26 01:42 |
DaemonFC | the interface bothers me, the proprietary value-added crap bothers me | Feb 26 01:43 |
DaemonFC | I guess it was always going to end up this way | Feb 26 01:43 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: around next Thursday we can expect proper eye candy it seems | Feb 26 01:43 |
sebsebseb | background and such | Feb 26 01:43 |
DaemonFC | you can | Feb 26 01:43 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 26 01:43 |
bruce89 | I don't understand why it's under Music as opposed to Sources | Feb 26 01:43 |
sebsebseb | anyway popey also has another one about the store | Feb 26 01:44 |
DaemonFC | http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/48396 | Feb 26 01:44 |
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DaemonFC | not bad | Feb 26 01:44 |
DaemonFC | reminds me a lot of Metallica | Feb 26 01:44 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: the Lucid features I seen so far are junk | Feb 26 01:44 |
bruce89 | I like Fedora's artwork, it's the GNOME default with a new folder icon and a distributor logo | Feb 26 01:45 |
sebsebseb | well ok there's Plymouth, but that looks like Fedora's at the moment | Feb 26 01:45 |
sebsebseb | I guess something more proper for that around next Thursday as well | Feb 26 01:45 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Fedora has had Plymouth since Fedora 9 | Feb 26 01:45 |
DaemonFC | default as of Fedora 10 | Feb 26 01:45 |
DaemonFC | or roughly a year ago | Feb 26 01:45 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Mandriva 2010 has a nice Plymouth boot up | Feb 26 01:45 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: :) | Feb 26 01:45 |
sebsebseb | @ at the Mandriva one | Feb 26 01:45 |
DaemonFC | Mandriva One isn't bad, it's limited to 32-bit though | Feb 26 01:46 |
DaemonFC | I don't like downloading DVDs | Feb 26 01:46 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Mandriva One has a Live CD I am pretty sure yeah | Feb 26 01:46 |
sebsebseb | no need to get a DVD | Feb 26 01:46 |
DaemonFC | it shouldn't be brain surgery to install an OS | Feb 26 01:46 |
sebsebseb | yes 32bit from the company, but there's an unoffical version for 64bit as well | Feb 26 01:46 |
sebsebseb | MIB people | Feb 26 01:46 |
DaemonFC | they shouldn't make it brain surgery | Feb 26 01:46 |
sebsebseb | Mandriva Free has a 64bit version as well, and I think Powerpack as well | Feb 26 01:47 |
DaemonFC | Free is a DVD | Feb 26 01:48 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Ubuntu One, social features, and music store, are useless features for me | Feb 26 01:48 |
DaemonFC | Powerpack is a DVD | Feb 26 01:48 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well I could try social features with say Facebook account, but well I hardly ever use Facebook | Feb 26 01:48 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: other people those features are good for | Feb 26 01:49 |
sebsebseb | Ubuntu is good for other people, but not that good for me anymore | Feb 26 01:49 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: The interface bothers you? the GUI you mean, the way they do Gnome with brown? | Feb 26 01:50 |
DaemonFC | no, the extra applets | Feb 26 01:51 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: the social features and such, the stuff on top right, are extra applets yep | Feb 26 01:51 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: it's one applet now, not two. social features is linked to what was there before :( | Feb 26 01:51 |
bruce89 | DaemonFC doesn't like indicator-applet | Feb 26 01:52 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: which ones indicator-applet I am not sure | Feb 26 01:52 |
bruce89 | the indicator applet, DaemonFC can explain better | Feb 26 01:54 |
DaemonFC | indicator-crapplet | Feb 26 01:54 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 26 01:54 |
bruce89 | basically, it's a replacement notification area | Feb 26 01:57 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Going to add some more site translations into French http://boycottnovell.com/faq/faq-fr/ anyone who is willing to help, pls get in touch | Feb 26 01:58 | |
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bruce89 | necessary because notify-osd is inert, and has no widget associatation system | Feb 26 01:58 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: Bonjour | Feb 26 01:59 |
sebsebseb | wee | Feb 26 01:59 |
sebsebseb | and that's nearly all the French I know | Feb 26 01:59 |
bruce89 | hopefully, you mean Oui | Feb 26 01:59 |
sebsebseb | so I won't be translating | Feb 26 02:00 |
*bruce89 wonders if en_GB counts | Feb 26 02:00 | |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: bruce89 http://popey.com/blog/2010/02/19/ubuntu-one-music-store-sneak-peek/ | Feb 26 02:00 |
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sebsebseb | I think I gave that link out here last night | Feb 26 02:00 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: The proprietary value crap bothers you? You mean Ubuntu One and the Music Store or? | Feb 26 02:01 |
sebsebseb | The Yahoo/Microsoft deal even? | Feb 26 02:01 |
sebsebseb | Bing | Feb 26 02:01 |
sebsebseb | Bing | Feb 26 02:01 |
sebsebseb | Bing | Feb 26 02:01 |
sebsebseb | Bing | Feb 26 02:01 |
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schestowitz | Heh. http://www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/home/2010/02/want-out-of-googles-allseeing-eye.html | Feb 26 02:12 |
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schestowitz | sebsebseb: Bong | Feb 26 02:12 |
schestowitz | http://www.macworld.com/article/146570/2010/02/favoritewebsites5.html?lsrc=rss_main | Feb 26 02:12 |
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sebsebseb | schestowitz: Bong??? | Feb 26 02:12 |
schestowitz | "kids, stay away from drugs and Bong" | Feb 26 02:13 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: What? | Feb 26 02:13 |
sebsebseb | uh what? | Feb 26 02:13 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bong | Feb 26 02:13 |
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schestowitz | "A bong (also water pipe) is a smoking device, generally used to smoke cannabis, tobacco, or other substances." | Feb 26 02:13 |
schestowitz | Bing means a "pile" | Feb 26 02:13 |
schestowitz | Of * | Feb 26 02:14 |
sebsebseb | Of star? | Feb 26 02:14 |
sebsebseb | of shit? | Feb 26 02:14 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: ??? | Feb 26 02:14 |
schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704240004575085901098514146.html | Feb 26 02:15 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@scotteweinberg To combat the DM vira // you can move off #Windows. #malware #virus #security #fail | Feb 26 02:16 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] We have a Shot Of Jaq Publicity Bingo Winner! Embed a Shot Of Jaq Easter Egg in an app http://is.gd/9cvee #shotofjaq #soj_u | Feb 26 02:20 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.thunderbrowse.com/thunderblog/category/tbnoscript/ | Feb 26 02:23 |
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schestowitz | Hm...... not compat' | Feb 26 02:23 |
schestowitz | http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/feb/22/busy-idaho-lawmaker-pitches-dozen-bills-including-/ | Feb 26 02:29 |
schestowitz | gn | Feb 26 02:29 |
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sebsebseb | ianto and anyone else that might be interested http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010022500535OPBZSW | Feb 26 02:36 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] LoCo Stories: the Ubuntu Libya LoCo at the Technology & Science Fair - http://is.gd/9cAJO #ubuntu #ubuntulocoteams | Feb 26 02:45 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Warriors Of The World by Manowar. Possibly one of the greatest songs ever. Makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end. \m/ | Feb 26 02:50 | |
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DaemonFC | http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100225/NEWS03/302259928 | Feb 26 02:52 |
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DaemonFC | Congressman Souder says that the deaths due to defective Toyotas are "acceptable losses" | Feb 26 02:52 |
tessier | DaemonFC: Aren't they? I know it isn't PC to say so and you can say that no accidental death is ever acceptable but is that realistic? Nobody will ever always built a perfect car every time. Toyota will fix them and we will all move on. | Feb 26 02:54 |
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DaemonFC | tessier, Saying that a recall is unreasonable is pushing that too far | Feb 26 03:00 |
tessier | I wouldn't say that a recall is unreasonable. | Feb 26 03:00 |
DaemonFC | anyone can fuck up and make a product that accidentally kills someone | Feb 26 03:00 |
DaemonFC | asking them to fix it is not unreasonable | Feb 26 03:00 |
DaemonFC | at their expense even | Feb 26 03:00 |
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DaemonFC | tessier, People panic when the accelerator jams down, but it's actually easy to stop the car | Feb 26 03:03 |
DaemonFC | shift to neutral, pull over, shut the car off when it stops moving | Feb 26 03:04 |
tessier | DaemonFC: The fiery crash happened just miles away from my house here in San Diego. I have driven that intersection many times. | Feb 26 03:04 |
DaemonFC | lots of people I'm sure would just panic and turn the car off, now it's still going 90 mph, but you have no steering | Feb 26 03:04 |
tessier | DaemonFC: I don't think the guy panicked. The car was tricky to turn off/put into neutral etc. | Feb 26 03:04 |
tessier | You have steering, just no power assist. | Feb 26 03:04 |
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tessier | I have had engines and electrical systems die on me at freeway speeds. It is manageable. | Feb 26 03:05 |
DaemonFC | not if the car is off | Feb 26 03:05 |
tessier | This car didn't have a normal key ignition. | Feb 26 03:05 |
DaemonFC | the wheel would lock | Feb 26 03:05 |
DaemonFC | = no steering | Feb 26 03:05 |
tessier | Only if you turn it all way way off past accessory. And even them I'm not so sure. | Feb 26 03:05 |
DaemonFC | I wouldn't do it | Feb 26 03:05 |
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tessier | Are you gonna make me try it on my way home? | Feb 26 03:06 |
DaemonFC | your call | Feb 26 03:06 |
DaemonFC | ;) | Feb 26 03:06 |
DaemonFC | now I'm not encouraging you | Feb 26 03:06 |
DaemonFC | that looks good if I get sued late | Feb 26 03:06 |
tessier | Fine, I'll try it and report back. If they pull me from the flaming wreckage I'll shout "DAEMONFC WAS RIGHT!!!" in front of the news cameras. | Feb 26 03:06 |
DaemonFC | *later | Feb 26 03:06 |
DaemonFC | lol | Feb 26 03:06 |
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DaemonFC | tessier, If I was Souder I'd be pressing to put th hurt on Toyota anyway | Feb 26 03:25 |
DaemonFC | he represents an area with a LOT of GM workers | Feb 26 03:25 |
DaemonFC | and some Ford and Chrysler too | Feb 26 03:25 |
DaemonFC | why is he biased in favor of foreign car companies all of a sudden | Feb 26 03:26 |
DaemonFC | I know it's not about them being right, because the man has no integrity | Feb 26 03:26 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Canada won gold in woman's hockey. Yeah, ladies! Oh and I promise to get some work done when the Olympics are over. Really. | Feb 26 03:32 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Sometimes we all get wrapped up in the details of revolution, forgetting that a revolution is happening in the first place. | Feb 26 03:57 | |
tessier_ | DaemonFC: Home safe and sound. Try as I might I could not make the steering wheel of my Scion tC lock. | Feb 26 04:07 |
tessier_ | I'm not sure if it is tied into the speedometer or what. Ah, I know what it is. As lock as the key is in the lock I bet it won't lock the wheel. | Feb 26 04:08 |
DaemonFC | wasn't that a Prius that had the stick the accelerator and kill everyone bug? | Feb 26 04:08 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @slashdot: Aussie Internet Censorship Minister Censors Self http://bit.ly/8Yb9Dy | Feb 26 04:09 | |
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tessier_ | DaemonFC: No. A number of Toyota cars had problems with the floormats. That is what happened in San Diego. | Feb 26 04:09 |
DaemonFC | ohh, why are they replacing the gas pedal then? | Feb 26 04:10 |
tessier_ | DaemonFC: Maybe changing the shape so the floor mat won't get up over it. The bottom of the gas pedal comes very close to the floor. | Feb 26 04:11 |
DaemonFC | oh | Feb 26 04:11 |
tessier_ | Once the floor mat is up over it there is no room for it to go back down. | Feb 26 04:11 |
DaemonFC | I drive a 15 year old Ford Taurus, I kind of expect it to blow up and kill me | Feb 26 04:12 |
DaemonFC | no surprises | Feb 26 04:12 |
DaemonFC | :D | Feb 26 04:12 |
DaemonFC | try to get a car financed out there right now | Feb 26 04:13 |
DaemonFC | it's ugly | Feb 26 04:13 |
tessier_ | I had no problem 6 months ago. | Feb 26 04:13 |
DaemonFC | I should have financed one around 2005 when they were sending everyone those 0% interest things | Feb 26 04:13 |
DaemonFC | my credit isn't the problem, the problem is they upped the income requirements quite a lot | Feb 26 04:14 |
DaemonFC | so 2007 I could have had a decent range of cars | Feb 26 04:15 |
DaemonFC | now they won't talk to me | Feb 26 04:15 |
DaemonFC | "If you're not a sure bet, go away" | Feb 26 04:15 |
DaemonFC | is the vibe I got | Feb 26 04:15 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] From Krafty - http://is.gd/9dc0E - not entirely sure what to make of this. Strange and enticing. | Feb 26 05:51 | |
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Jose_X | schestowitz, wanted to point you to a comment: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-02-25-020-35-NW-MS-LL-0004 | Feb 26 06:04 |
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Jose_X | >> | Feb 26 06:04 |
Jose_X | It appears Microsoft has backed off (totally or mostly). Go to http://cryptome.org for the details, including the letter Microsoft sent to godaddy.microsoft'spartner.com asking to undo the damage:> We would like to notify you that Microsoft has contacted us regarding www.cryptome.org. Microsoft has withdrawn their DMCA complaint. As a result www.cryptome.org has been reactivated and this matter has been closed. | Feb 26 06:05 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Hacking on App Of Jaq #shotofjaq | Feb 26 06:07 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Unfortunately Ubuntu Lucid Lynx Alpha 3 test failed. Tried it from a USB thumbdrive on laptop. Downloaded it again and from a CD on Desktop | Feb 26 06:10 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] After booting the screen goes blank... Curious if other testers have the same issue. | Feb 26 06:12 | |
DaemonFC | Mesa 7.8 is dropping Glide: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=e14a5b14b2db2ef2e744b49024ac341b998d1711 | Feb 26 06:14 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library .::. Size~: 919.87 KB | Feb 26 06:14 |
DaemonFC | RIP | Feb 26 06:14 |
DaemonFC | looks like they're ditching all drivers pre-2000 | Feb 26 06:15 |
ender2070 | yeah | Feb 26 06:16 |
ender2070 | 10 years is a very long time in this industry | Feb 26 06:16 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, There's still hardware that old out there | Feb 26 06:17 |
DaemonFC | so what now? | Feb 26 06:17 |
ender2070 | whatever they have pre-2000, is worth less than your countries dollar | Feb 26 06:17 |
ender2070 | you know what cards had Glide? | Feb 26 06:18 |
DaemonFC | arguing about currency value is pointless | Feb 26 06:18 |
ender2070 | 3DFX Voodoo cards | Feb 26 06:18 |
DaemonFC | it's worth whatever banks say it's worth | Feb 26 06:18 |
DaemonFC | yeah, and people still have those cards | Feb 26 06:18 |
ender2070 | no they dont | Feb 26 06:18 |
DaemonFC | I do | Feb 26 06:18 |
ender2070 | if they do, they have bigger problems than drivers | Feb 26 06:18 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 26 06:18 |
ender2070 | like, having to wait 5 years for their pc to boot up | Feb 26 06:19 |
ender2070 | not having enough ram to even load X | Feb 26 06:19 |
DaemonFC | Voodoo 5 5500 isn't a bad card :) | Feb 26 06:19 |
DaemonFC | X doesn't need much RAM | Feb 26 06:19 |
ender2070 | intel graphics 910 can outperform a voodoo 5 | Feb 26 06:19 |
DaemonFC | doubt it | Feb 26 06:19 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 26 06:20 |
ender2070 | geforce 2 can | Feb 26 06:20 |
ender2070 | intel 910 can beat geforce 2's | Feb 26 06:20 |
DaemonFC | yeah, probably | Feb 26 06:20 |
DaemonFC | Nvidia had trouble keeping up until then though | Feb 26 06:20 |
ender2070 | anyone with hardware that old is probably still running win98 anyways | Feb 26 06:20 |
DaemonFC | I've never seen an Intel graphics chipset that I could stand to use longer than it took to order a decent GPU | Feb 26 06:21 |
ender2070 | im just saying | Feb 26 06:21 |
DaemonFC | the system came with Windows 98 | Feb 26 06:21 |
ender2070 | removing glide isnt that big of a deal | Feb 26 06:21 |
ender2070 | nothing has glide support these days | Feb 26 06:21 |
DaemonFC | yes it is | Feb 26 06:21 |
DaemonFC | thousands of people still have those cards | Feb 26 06:21 |
ender2070 | glide has been dead since geforce 2 | Feb 26 06:21 |
ender2070 | billions of people have better hardware | Feb 26 06:22 |
ender2070 | those thousand people can spend $100 and get 10x better hardware | Feb 26 06:22 |
DaemonFC | so how does that mean anything? | Feb 26 06:22 |
ender2070 | cant support people who never upgrade sirs | Feb 26 06:22 |
DaemonFC | the little bit of extra download to get 16,000 source lines of code is really that bad? | Feb 26 06:22 |
ender2070 | otherwise, lets get all those ISA drivers back into the kernel | Feb 26 06:23 |
ender2070 | gotta support my 14.4k modem, im never upgrading | Feb 26 06:23 |
ender2070 | its madness | Feb 26 06:23 |
DaemonFC | 14.4k modems still work for faxing :) | Feb 26 06:23 |
ender2070 | stuff becomes obsolete every 3 months | Feb 26 06:23 |
ender2070 | its insane to think you can keep running the same hardware 10+ years | Feb 26 06:24 |
DaemonFC | you can | Feb 26 06:24 |
DaemonFC | the software bloats, that's the problem | Feb 26 06:24 |
ender2070 | dont expect speed | Feb 26 06:24 |
ender2070 | dont expect new features | Feb 26 06:24 |
ender2070 | and dont expect to be able to run the latest os | Feb 26 06:24 |
ender2070 | because if you do, your in for a world of disappointment | Feb 26 06:24 |
DaemonFC | well, XFCE works well even on a Pentium II | Feb 26 06:25 |
ender2070 | thats fine | Feb 26 06:25 |
ender2070 | im mainly talking about drivers | Feb 26 06:25 |
ender2070 | nobody has this old shit to test this stuff on | Feb 26 06:25 |
DaemonFC | well, if nobody is willing to test it then, yeah | Feb 26 06:26 |
DaemonFC | ditch it | Feb 26 06:26 |
ender2070 | exactly | Feb 26 06:26 |
DaemonFC | you can't even tell if it builds | Feb 26 06:26 |
ender2070 | im sure they didnt have anyone using glide anymore | Feb 26 06:26 |
ender2070 | as no card in the last 10 years even has glide | Feb 26 06:26 |
ender2070 | which is a shame | Feb 26 06:27 |
ender2070 | glide was okay | Feb 26 06:27 |
DaemonFC | well, some of those minimal Linux desktops are what I was thinking | Feb 26 06:27 |
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DaemonFC | I guess they could build Glide back in themselves if needed | Feb 26 06:27 |
ender2070 | UltraHLE, a n64 emulator worked awesome on a Pentium 1 with a glide-supported voodoo card | Feb 26 06:27 |
DaemonFC | I liked my Voodoo cards | Feb 26 06:28 |
tessier__ | glide? Who could glide? | Feb 26 06:28 |
ender2070 | ALL the later n64 emu's required p4s and higher | Feb 26 06:28 |
ender2070 | i liked voodoo too | Feb 26 06:28 |
ender2070 | I had a Voodoo 3 2000 | Feb 26 06:28 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, They had no DirectX support on them at all | Feb 26 06:28 |
ender2070 | but | Feb 26 06:28 |
DaemonFC | just Glide | Feb 26 06:28 |
ender2070 | at the same time | Feb 26 06:28 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] JUST GIVE UP RIGHT NOW AND TELL YOUR PIRATE FRIENDS THAT YOU COULDN'T CRACK BLUE MAX http://donhodges.com/bluemax.htm #code #crack #c64 | Feb 26 06:29 | |
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DaemonFC | at first anyway | Feb 26 06:29 |
tessier__ | oh, Glide the software. Right. | Feb 26 06:29 |
ender2070 | I don't expect Mesa to support a Voodoo 3/4/5 anymore | Feb 26 06:29 |
DaemonFC | 12 years is a good run I guess | Feb 26 06:29 |
ender2070 | those cards belong in a museum | Feb 26 06:29 |
DaemonFC | I think the latest Voodoo cards were early 2000 | Feb 26 06:29 |
ender2070 | actually | Feb 26 06:30 |
ender2070 | if anyone is running those cards still, are assholes | Feb 26 06:30 |
DaemonFC | why? | Feb 26 06:30 |
ender2070 | global warming | Feb 26 06:30 |
ender2070 | those cards are sucking as much juice as decent cards | Feb 26 06:31 |
DaemonFC | o rly? | Feb 26 06:31 |
ender2070 | the voodoo 5 plugged into AC iirc | Feb 26 06:31 |
ender2070 | anyone with an old pc is destroying the environment | Feb 26 06:32 |
ender2070 | cpu's not only get faster, they get more energy efficient as they get smaller | Feb 26 06:32 |
ender2070 | BUt | Feb 26 06:32 |
ender2070 | if you throw out your old pc, it ends up in a landfill | Feb 26 06:33 |
ender2070 | so im not sure what the balance is there | Feb 26 06:33 |
DaemonFC | o rly? | Feb 26 06:33 |
DaemonFC | Tell me more about this "global warming", Mr. Gore | Feb 26 06:33 |
ender2070 | im talking of global warming in jest | Feb 26 06:33 |
DaemonFC | o rly? | Feb 26 06:33 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 26 06:33 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 26 06:34 |
ender2070 | and al gore's movie is 100% lie | Feb 26 06:34 |
DaemonFC | http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4990/20100226012834.jpg | Feb 26 06:36 |
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DaemonFC | that is truly disturbing | Feb 26 06:37 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] standard-issue psychopath, high on violence, in somebody else's country,..deaths of million..consigned to cinematic oblivion | Feb 26 06:50 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] ... Pilger's - probably the most faithful review you will find of The Hurt Locker. http://socwrk.org/7901 #iraq #war #crime #propaganda | Feb 26 06:51 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Oscars con game | SocialistWorker.org .::. Size~: 25.42 KB | Feb 26 06:51 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Pilger: "worst of..nominees: #Invictus, Eastwood's unctuous insult to the struggle against #apartheid in Sth #Africa" http://socwrk.org/7901 | Feb 26 06:56 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Oscars con game | SocialistWorker.org .::. Size~: 25.42 KB | Feb 26 06:56 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz #Pilger is, of course, completely on the money. http://socwrk.org/7901 You will enjoy this. | Feb 26 06:58 | |
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DaemonFC | yes, it's PERFECTLY OK for other people to make propaganda films about us | Feb 26 07:00 |
DaemonFC | but when we make a movie, it's automagically an evil conspiracy | Feb 26 07:01 |
ender2070 | ? | Feb 26 07:01 |
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DaemonFC | ender2070, I don't know how these suckfests even get any money coming in, propaganda or not | Feb 26 07:03 |
DaemonFC | who fucking cares? :) | Feb 26 07:03 |
DaemonFC | I don't care enough to go devote 2 hours of my life an $10 or so to watch Invictus | Feb 26 07:04 |
shreddar | I just saw a article headline that said "Senator Al Franken is Requesting User Caps on Internet Bandwidth?". | Feb 26 07:04 |
DaemonFC | the story is probably a liberal brainwashing piece of crap anyway | Feb 26 07:04 |
DaemonFC | I'll be damned if I pay to watch it | Feb 26 07:04 |
shreddar | I was like who allowed Al Franken to be a Senator? | Feb 26 07:05 |
DaemonFC | it's one of those things that you know, going in, that you're going to get a biased portrayal | Feb 26 07:05 |
DaemonFC | who's viewpoint you watch is the only question | Feb 26 07:05 |
shreddar | Then I was like who allowed Al Franken to be a Comedian!! | Feb 26 07:06 |
DaemonFC | Al Franken is awesome | Feb 26 07:06 |
DaemonFC | Stewart Saves His Family was the best movie ever | Feb 26 07:06 |
shreddar | He's never been funny. | Feb 26 07:06 |
DaemonFC | cause I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me! | Feb 26 07:07 |
ender2070 | Al Franken got elected because people thought he was frankenstein | Feb 26 07:08 |
shreddar | I don't know why people think he's funny. He's just weird. | Feb 26 07:08 |
ender2070 | thats america | Feb 26 07:09 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Wikipedia says the inaccuracies are mostly unimportant, like giving a line to the wrong person | Feb 26 07:09 |
DaemonFC | or typos in the credits | Feb 26 07:09 |
ender2070 | if you dont like america, then you can git ouuuuuuuuuuuut!!!!!111 | Feb 26 07:09 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, No, I just don't appreciate people lying about us | Feb 26 07:09 |
DaemonFC | like you | Feb 26 07:09 |
DaemonFC | and know they're doing it | Feb 26 07:09 |
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DaemonFC | you seem to live to misrepresent the truth | Feb 26 07:10 |
DaemonFC | it's sad in a way | Feb 26 07:10 |
ender2070 | i should make a propaganda film against america and credit you | Feb 26 07:10 |
ender2070 | and put it on teh youtubez | Feb 26 07:10 |
ender2070 | "Ryan Gordon and America, love Rush Limbaugh" | Feb 26 07:10 |
DaemonFC | I don't know why you'd have to lie and smear people if you're right | Feb 26 07:11 |
ender2070 | "9/11 was an inside Job" | Feb 26 07:11 |
DaemonFC | can you tell me why you have to resort to lying? | Feb 26 07:11 |
ender2070 | "If you pay taxes, you already donated to Haiti, obama bought his birth certificate! VOTE RUSH!" | Feb 26 07:11 |
shreddar | Actuall that true. | Feb 26 07:11 |
shreddar | Ask any demolition expert. | Feb 26 07:11 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, You like to rant and rave and link to people who rant and rave | Feb 26 07:11 |
DaemonFC | where is their proof? | Feb 26 07:12 |
ender2070 | shredder, project bluebeam | Feb 26 07:12 |
DaemonFC | where is the solid argument? | Feb 26 07:12 |
tessier__ | Who requires proof anymore? | Feb 26 07:12 |
DaemonFC | the evidence? | Feb 26 07:12 |
ender2070 | the plane was a hologram, and they exploded it | Feb 26 07:12 |
DaemonFC | the witnesses? | Feb 26 07:12 |
tessier__ | Don't expect mere proof to sway anyone's opinion. | Feb 26 07:12 |
DaemonFC | Is that why you don't have to prove anything? | Feb 26 07:12 |
DaemonFC | Is that why you can just make straw men to attack? | Feb 26 07:13 |
DaemonFC | gee, never would have guess | Feb 26 07:13 |
ender2070 | LOL | Feb 26 07:13 |
DaemonFC | *guessed | Feb 26 07:13 |
ender2070 | im making fun of you | Feb 26 07:13 |
DaemonFC | ender2070 loves making straw men to attack | Feb 26 07:13 |
DaemonFC | he calls his straw men "Americans" | Feb 26 07:13 |
shreddar | The plane was real but the building structor did collapse because of it. | Feb 26 07:13 |
shreddar | did = didn't | Feb 26 07:13 |
ender2070 | why didnt they find any plane parts | Feb 26 07:13 |
ender2070 | the mayor had the rubble removed immediately | Feb 26 07:14 |
ender2070 | along with all the gold from the basement | Feb 26 07:14 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, How can you prove your claims that they didn't find anything? | Feb 26 07:14 |
DaemonFC | The burden of proof is on the person making the accusation. | Feb 26 07:14 |
ender2070 | nobody knows what was in the rubble | Feb 26 07:14 |
ender2070 | its national security | Feb 26 07:14 |
DaemonFC | so prove it was all an inside job and a cover up | Feb 26 07:15 |
DaemonFC | or stop saying it was | Feb 26 07:15 |
tessier__ | Didn't find any plane parts where? | Feb 26 07:15 |
DaemonFC | nobody can actually prove any of those claims | Feb 26 07:15 |
ender2070 | lol you know im making fun of daemon right | Feb 26 07:16 |
DaemonFC | if you can't prove something, why argue it? | Feb 26 07:16 |
shreddar | There is lots of proof that they knew about it before hand and did nothing. | Feb 26 07:16 |
ender2070 | yeah even alex jones the wacko knew | Feb 26 07:16 |
DaemonFC | proof or hearsay? | Feb 26 07:16 |
shreddar | proof documents. | Feb 26 07:17 |
DaemonFC | people confuse that all the time | Feb 26 07:17 |
ender2070 | you mean the FBI file? | Feb 26 07:17 |
ender2070 | saying there would be a terrorist attack | Feb 26 07:17 |
ender2070 | the one rice ignored | Feb 26 07:17 |
ender2070 | they knew about it so far in advance they even wrote a script for it for the lone gunman, hoping bush would see it on TV | Feb 26 07:18 |
shreddar | Actually lots of warnings were ignored. Lots of files and claims from those empolyed. | Feb 26 07:18 |
ender2070 | yeah | Feb 26 07:19 |
ender2070 | i dont have my mind quite made up | Feb 26 07:19 |
ender2070 | im more inclined not to take the governments word for it though | Feb 26 07:19 |
DaemonFC | I don't really care what the rest of the world does to each other | Feb 26 07:20 |
ender2070 | people don't realize psychopaths are attracted to politics | Feb 26 07:21 |
DaemonFC | it's so rare that someone makes a villain out of anything but the United States, it's almost nice when there's a genocide somewhere | Feb 26 07:21 |
DaemonFC | but then people blame us for not stopping it | Feb 26 07:21 |
DaemonFC | so who gives a shit? | Feb 26 07:21 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - like the USA made a villan out of USSR and Russia for the last six decades? | Feb 26 07:21 |
DaemonFC | Did you want to live in the USSR? | Feb 26 07:22 |
ender2070 | hells no | Feb 26 07:22 |
DaemonFC | sent to work camps and re-education camps? | Feb 26 07:22 |
ender2070 | soon to be USSA | Feb 26 07:22 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, You should go to Uzbekistan | Feb 26 07:22 |
ender2070 | United Soviet States of America | Feb 26 07:22 |
DaemonFC | it's still very much unchanged from the USSR days | Feb 26 07:23 |
shreddar | Well, the truth is that we need people to call us out on our crap or we will end up like Russia or worse. | Feb 26 07:23 |
DaemonFC | complete with a Self Appointed Dictator For Life! | Feb 26 07:23 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 26 07:23 |
DaemonFC | they like to boil people alive as capital punishment | Feb 26 07:23 |
DaemonFC | they do the same to political prisoners after torturing them | Feb 26 07:24 |
ender2070 | shredder - the trouble is worse than just the US though | Feb 26 07:24 |
ender2070 | shredder - every country listens to the UN for policy | Feb 26 07:24 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, More dicking around and mocking? | Feb 26 07:24 |
DaemonFC | or are you serious now? | Feb 26 07:24 |
ender2070 | no this is serious | Feb 26 07:25 |
ender2070 | at least the common wealth ones | Feb 26 07:25 |
ender2070 | and the US | Feb 26 07:25 |
DaemonFC | the UN wants to steal from the US to redistribute to the third world | Feb 26 07:25 |
shreddar | That's true and the world is sharing more and more policies. | Feb 26 07:25 |
DaemonFC | they've implemented it in things like NAFTA | Feb 26 07:25 |
ender2070 | copenhagen would've been hell | Feb 26 07:26 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, They seemed to have this idea that people in countries that sat on top of diamonds and gold for millions of years would just get up and make something out of the place with billions of dollars in welfare dumped on them all of a sudden | Feb 26 07:27 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 26 07:27 |
DaemonFC | and it doesn't work like that | Feb 26 07:27 |
ender2070 | carbon credits are a huge scam | Feb 26 07:27 |
ender2070 | selling bags of nothing | Feb 26 07:28 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, I'll pay to pollute, why not? | Feb 26 07:28 |
DaemonFC | cause that makes the pollution not count, right? | Feb 26 07:28 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 26 07:28 |
ender2070 | lol somehow | Feb 26 07:28 |
ender2070 | the US is buying carbon credits from India | Feb 26 07:28 |
DaemonFC | uhhm, who is? | Feb 26 07:29 |
ender2070 | the US is | Feb 26 07:29 |
ender2070 | USA | Feb 26 07:29 |
DaemonFC | when does this happen? | Feb 26 07:29 |
ender2070 | very soon or already | Feb 26 07:29 |
shreddar | What are carbon credits? | Feb 26 07:29 |
DaemonFC | Obama keeps talking about it | Feb 26 07:29 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, We should buy up all of China's | Feb 26 07:30 |
ender2070 | carbon credits are basicly a measurement of co2 that you produce | Feb 26 07:30 |
DaemonFC | make our own noxious smog cloud to cover ourselves with | Feb 26 07:30 |
DaemonFC | keep the jobs here :) | Feb 26 07:30 |
ender2070 | and basicly u buy your way out of it | Feb 26 07:30 |
ender2070 | your paying to breath | Feb 26 07:30 |
ender2070 | breathe | Feb 26 07:30 |
DaemonFC | shreddar, It's a tax that you pay and the government lets you pollute | Feb 26 07:30 |
ender2070 | not just pollute, breathe | Feb 26 07:31 |
DaemonFC | up to the amount you pay | Feb 26 07:31 |
ender2070 | cause you exhale co2 | Feb 26 07:31 |
ender2070 | and your tax money buys carbon credits | Feb 26 07:31 |
ender2070 | so literally they are taxing your air | Feb 26 07:31 |
shreddar | Cohagen you got what you wan't! Give these people EARE! | Feb 26 07:31 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Then the price of groceries, gas, heating, and everything goes up | Feb 26 07:32 |
DaemonFC | millions die of hunger and cold | Feb 26 07:32 |
ender2070 | england taxed the air once back in medieval times | Feb 26 07:32 |
ender2070 | they used to measure the size of your windows to make the calculations | Feb 26 07:32 |
ender2070 | thats why the really old british houses have such small windows | Feb 26 07:32 |
DaemonFC | so don't put in any windows? | Feb 26 07:32 |
ender2070 | people think its cute | Feb 26 07:33 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 26 07:33 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Is that really why though? | Feb 26 07:33 |
ender2070 | yes | Feb 26 07:34 |
ender2070 | feudal times | Feb 26 07:34 |
ender2070 | back then, likely you worked on someones farm and you were sold with the land | Feb 26 07:34 |
ender2070 | along with your family | Feb 26 07:34 |
DaemonFC | sweet | Feb 26 07:35 |
ender2070 | you also had to own a certain amount of land to vote | Feb 26 07:35 |
DaemonFC | yeah, we used to have that one here | Feb 26 07:35 |
DaemonFC | white man who owned land | Feb 26 07:35 |
DaemonFC | then it was men who owned land | Feb 26 07:35 |
ender2070 | afaik in Canada you can still name land you own | Feb 26 07:36 |
DaemonFC | then it was men | Feb 26 07:36 |
DaemonFC | then it was men and women | Feb 26 07:36 |
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DaemonFC | yay | Feb 26 07:36 |
ender2070 | so you can be Lord DamonFC of Douchebagton | Feb 26 07:36 |
DaemonFC | hey now! | Feb 26 07:36 |
ender2070 | its just an example | Feb 26 07:36 |
DaemonFC | I might challenge you to a joust over that | Feb 26 07:37 |
DaemonFC | :P | Feb 26 07:37 |
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*ender2070 slaps DaemonFC around a bit with a large trout | Feb 26 07:38 | |
*DaemonFC lets out a long winded British rant about "honour and decency", gasps, and dies | Feb 26 07:38 | |
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ender2070 | shredder, did a government agent just talk to you | Feb 26 07:41 |
shreddar | NO!!!! | Feb 26 07:41 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, I don't think they care who is voting so long as most don't realize there's a choice | Feb 26 07:41 |
shreddar | I mean no. | Feb 26 07:41 |
ender2070 | heres why it doesnt matter | Feb 26 07:42 |
ender2070 | you can't vote for the lobbyists or foundations | Feb 26 07:42 |
ender2070 | when there is a new president, they have to listen to the same people | Feb 26 07:43 |
shreddar | We just need to elect someone who won't screw us over for money or power. We just need to find candidate who don't lie and then elect them. | Feb 26 07:43 |
shreddar | It's so simple I can't believe noones thought of it. | Feb 26 07:43 |
DaemonFC | yes, elect me | Feb 26 07:43 |
ender2070 | the problem is psyho's rise to the top | Feb 26 07:44 |
DaemonFC | I won't lie | Feb 26 07:44 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Wow, we have done 30 Shot Of Jaq shots already since November. Thanks to everyone who has made the community so much fun. :-) #shotofjaq | Feb 26 07:44 | |
DaemonFC | I'll scare the shit out of everyone | Feb 26 07:44 |
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DaemonFC | that's why they'll leave us alone | Feb 26 07:44 |
ender2070 | you can't get the money to compete in politics without screwing people over | Feb 26 07:44 |
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ender2070 | If I was elected president, I would take Microsofts money and give everyone in America a cheque evenly split | Feb 26 07:47 |
ender2070 | oh | Feb 26 07:50 |
ender2070 | where is tessier____ | Feb 26 07:50 |
shreddar | Really if you wanted to deal with MS. You'd force them to make Firefox or some free browser the default and Open Office the default on Windows. That or follow open standards. They'd get a choice that would expire after 6 months. | Feb 26 07:51 |
ender2070 | actually | Feb 26 07:51 |
ender2070 | make them open source all their code | Feb 26 07:51 |
shreddar | And put in public domain. | Feb 26 07:52 |
ender2070 | yes | Feb 26 07:52 |
ender2070 | buahhahaa | Feb 26 07:52 |
shreddar | And invalidate all of their pattents. | Feb 26 07:52 |
ender2070 | remove software patents | Feb 26 07:52 |
DaemonFC | who else could go for a diet dr pepper? | Feb 26 07:52 |
shreddar | I want one!! | Feb 26 07:52 |
shreddar | Ow wait. | Feb 26 07:52 |
DaemonFC | trying to motivate myself to get up and drive down to the gas station | Feb 26 07:53 |
DaemonFC | for some reason one of those hostess cupcakes and a diet dr pepper sounds really good | Feb 26 07:54 |
ender2070 | i got this wicked ice cream | Feb 26 07:55 |
ender2070 | sorbet i think its called | Feb 26 07:55 |
DaemonFC | I don't like that | Feb 26 07:57 |
DaemonFC | it tastes more like a frozen Orange Julius | Feb 26 07:57 |
shreddar | I've been thinking lately that Firefox not passing the Acid3 could be a good thing. | Feb 26 08:00 |
shreddar | If they passed it they'd be working on the Acid4 test right now. | Feb 26 08:00 |
DaemonFC | http://danielkitta.org/blog/2010/02/25/why-i-hate-qt/ | Feb 26 08:00 |
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DaemonFC | lol | Feb 26 08:00 |
shreddar | But since they aren't that leave some time for the video element to become a real standard. And not just a place holder. | Feb 26 08:01 |
shreddar | Then they can make it part of the final test. | Feb 26 08:01 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, I should put jono's head on a pike in one of my doom wads | Feb 26 08:05 |
DaemonFC | http://planet.gnome.org/heads/jono.png | Feb 26 08:05 |
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shreddar | Is that jono? | Feb 26 08:06 |
jono | DaemonFC, lol | Feb 26 08:06 |
DaemonFC | :D | Feb 26 08:06 |
shreddar | jono is that your picture? | Feb 26 08:07 |
jono | yep | Feb 26 08:07 |
shreddar | What were you doing? | Feb 26 08:07 |
DaemonFC | looks like you need some milk of magnesia | Feb 26 08:07 |
DaemonFC | yeah, what shreddar said | Feb 26 08:07 |
shreddar | I reminds me of those heads that'd pop out every now and then in MK and go "Whoopsie!!" | Feb 26 08:14 |
DaemonFC | I was playing Madworld earlier, good game | Feb 26 08:14 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @PartidoPirataPT: @tnw_socialmedia Facebook Just Patented The Feed – What Does This Mean For Everyone That Uses Th.. http://tnw.to/15k8J | Feb 26 08:15 | |
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DaemonFC | I especially liked that part where the cyborg bull pops out and you can't kill it so you have to jump on the subway track and get it to chase you and then hop back up before the train splatters it | Feb 26 08:15 |
DaemonFC | took me a second to think about that and I was trying to go after him with my chainsaw B-) | Feb 26 08:16 |
shreddar | Facebook own the newfeed? | Feb 26 08:17 |
shreddar | Does this include RSS Feed? | Feb 26 08:17 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx9V10PsLuw&feature=related | Feb 26 08:19 |
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shreddar | Facebook: Haaaaaa Haa Haa haaaa! HAAAAAAAA HAA HAA HAAAA! IIIII HAAAAVEEE THE POWEEEER! | Feb 26 08:23 |
DaemonFC | k... | Feb 26 08:23 |
ender2070 | rss probably invalidates it | Feb 26 08:24 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 26 08:24 |
DaemonFC | well, Microsoft had channels | Feb 26 08:24 |
DaemonFC | those predate rss | Feb 26 08:24 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Definition_Format | Feb 26 08:25 |
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shreddar | That doesn't seem to matter anymore. In fact people have been patening thing that already existed aleast a century ago. | Feb 26 08:26 |
shreddar | I can't remember what it was but it had something to do with the radio. | Feb 26 08:27 |
DaemonFC | Active Channels support is only in IE 4, 5, 5.5, and 6 | Feb 26 08:28 |
DaemonFC | it was removed cause nobody uses them :) | Feb 26 08:28 |
DaemonFC | RSS is the same thing and everyone uses them | Feb 26 08:28 |
shreddar | And now Facebook holds a valid patent for them. | Feb 26 08:29 |
DaemonFC | well, Active Channels actually went beyond what RSS can do | Feb 26 08:30 |
DaemonFC | you could navigate through your channels with the channel bar, and they'd be embedded in your desktop | Feb 26 08:30 |
DaemonFC | you can still call up the channel bar in IE 6 on XP with iexplorer -channelband | Feb 26 08:31 |
DaemonFC | errr | Feb 26 08:31 |
DaemonFC | iexplore -channelband | Feb 26 08:31 |
DaemonFC | the point of having them was that Microsoft could make the channel bar in every copy of Windows into a whorebar | Feb 26 08:32 |
DaemonFC | full of advertising | Feb 26 08:32 |
shreddar | If you have a website with RSS feeds you might need to fork up some royalty fees soon. | Feb 26 08:32 |
DaemonFC | bullshit | Feb 26 08:32 |
ender2070 | real player had channels before IE | Feb 26 08:32 |
DaemonFC | Facebook got an invalid patent | Feb 26 08:32 |
DaemonFC | first time they sue someone, the patent will probably not hold | Feb 26 08:33 |
ender2070 | if it holds once your screwed | Feb 26 08:34 |
DaemonFC | http://www.jsonline.com/business/85446887.html | Feb 26 08:35 |
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DaemonFC | woohoo | Feb 26 08:35 |
DaemonFC | get ready for another wave of foreclosures | Feb 26 08:36 |
shreddar | This is really not a whole lot differen't from 1 click shopping. The only difference is it's already widely used. | Feb 26 08:37 |
shreddar | That did seem to be a problem with MP3's or GIF's. | Feb 26 08:38 |
shreddar | did = didn't | Feb 26 08:38 |
DaemonFC | mp3s were patented before they were used though | Feb 26 08:39 |
DaemonFC | later MPEG patents came about because they applied further ways to optimize a compressed audio file's sound quality | Feb 26 08:39 |
DaemonFC | Vorbis achieves the same things in different ways, thus avoiding the patents | Feb 26 08:40 |
DaemonFC | my understanding | Feb 26 08:40 |
DaemonFC | FhG did try to FUD Vorbis by naming a patent it "infringes" several years ago | Feb 26 08:41 |
DaemonFC | but the patent they names expires October of this year | Feb 26 08:41 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] OK, long day. Bed for me. Goodnight, Internets! | Feb 26 08:45 | |
shreddar | I don't know. I still think the courts might decide in their favor. | Feb 26 08:45 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Off to (boring) work. | Feb 26 08:46 | |
shreddar | They just have to sue a really small defenceless company really quick while no one's paying attention. | Feb 26 08:46 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 26 08:49 |
schestowitz | [08:36] <DaemonFC> get ready for another wave of foreclosures | Feb 26 08:52 |
schestowitz | IIRC, Liz warren said that a quarter or half will foreclose | Feb 26 08:52 |
schestowitz | it's pretty grim | Feb 26 08:53 |
schestowitz | They printed some money for the bank to procrastinate | Feb 26 08:53 |
schestowitz | How much of the "stimulus" (euphemism for public looting) has been used so far, bar the secrecy? | Feb 26 08:53 |
schestowitz | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100218/1045238227.shtml | Feb 26 08:53 |
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schestowitz | Heh. | Feb 26 08:53 |
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schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/business/data-centers/2010/02/-since-the-rise-of.ars | Feb 26 08:59 |
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schestowitz | "Cloud.........." say it after me, kids | Feb 26 09:00 |
schestowitz | http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/1139_signs.jpg | Feb 26 09:01 |
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DaemonFC | Miguel de Icaza pimpimg Mono on the iPhone | Feb 26 09:01 |
DaemonFC | heh | Feb 26 09:01 |
schestowitz | Since long ago | Feb 26 09:02 |
schestowitz | Anything new there? | Feb 26 09:02 |
DaemonFC | he's still spamming Planet GNOME when he posts that crap | Feb 26 09:02 |
DaemonFC | Most people who have their posts put there end up saying something interesting and GNOME related, or at least one or the other | Feb 26 09:04 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Lovely breakfast. Shame I clumsily just tipped half a cup of coffee over my HTC Hero. Seems to have dried out okay though. | Feb 26 09:09 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BSA Lobbyist Francisco Mingorance Tries to Legalise #SoftwarePatents in #Europe http://ur1.ca/nm65 #eu #swpat #foss | Feb 26 09:14 | |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: I know | Feb 26 09:15 |
schestowitz | There was a storm over this | Feb 26 09:15 |
schestowitz | The one that led to a call for removal of GNU from GNOME | Feb 26 09:15 |
schestowitz | As surely you recall | Feb 26 09:15 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, The guy that called for the vote to leave GNU pwned his Debian box a month before that | Feb 26 09:31 |
DaemonFC | thought he was on testing and blamed Debian for the bad upgrade of grub | Feb 26 09:31 |
DaemonFC | then found that he actually was on unstable | Feb 26 09:31 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 26 09:31 |
DaemonFC | never did apologize | Feb 26 09:31 |
schestowitz | http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/158:jim-zemlin/288689:microsoftamazon-deal-nothing-to-see-here "I disagree with Jim on this. Why? Because to compromise with anyone over use of Linux and open-source software weakens the position of all of us in defending ourselves against bogus infringement claims. Suse caved, Red Hat didn't. Guess who gets my business?" | Feb 26 09:49 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post "Ubuntu One Music Store FAQ" http://bit.ly/chdAgq | Feb 26 09:51 | |
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DaemonFC | more autospamming, schestowitz? | Feb 26 09:57 |
DaemonFC | (popey) | Feb 26 09:57 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/CompactFlash-CF50/?kc=rss | Feb 26 09:59 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: CompactFlash cards to get bigger, faster - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 60.05 KB | Feb 26 09:59 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: why? | Feb 26 09:59 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Your logging bot makes sure his Google page rank goes up for having spammed this room | Feb 26 09:59 |
schestowitz | What????? | Feb 26 09:59 |
schestowitz | It's not spam | Feb 26 10:00 |
schestowitz | It's aggregated | Feb 26 10:00 |
DaemonFC | it's more or less what they were saying when Miguel spammed Planet GNOME with "Zomg Silverlight 4!!!!!" | Feb 26 10:00 |
schestowitz | jono: http://www.linux.com/distrocentral/distroblogs/289019:rocking-the-opportunistic-desktop | Feb 26 10:01 |
schestowitz | why? BEcause they sell MP3s? | Feb 26 10:01 |
DaemonFC | is one reason | Feb 26 10:02 |
DaemonFC | they sell WMAs too sometimes, that's unfortunate | Feb 26 10:02 |
DaemonFC | seems like this Ubuntu One music store is just going to be a dumb frontend. What's to say someone won't end up buying WMA files? | Feb 26 10:02 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA Stakeholders Consultation Meeting, 22nd March 2010 in Brussels, time for a good demonstration? Register now: http://i5.be/axf | Feb 26 10:03 | |
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DaemonFC | and how's it supposed to play MP3s when Ubuntu can't legally ship with MP3 support? Fluendo? | Feb 26 10:04 |
DaemonFC | "You may occasionally find songs in WMA format. We’re working with our partner to remove these songs from the Ubuntu One Music Store. Until this is resolved, we don’t recommend purchasing these songs in this format. An MP3 version can typically be found by using the store’s search feature." | Feb 26 10:09 |
DaemonFC | lol | Feb 26 10:09 |
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DaemonFC | :D | Feb 26 10:10 |
DaemonFC | stores them "in the cloud" for backup | Feb 26 10:12 |
DaemonFC | that sounds expensive | Feb 26 10:12 |
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DaemonFC | and and to make Ubuntu One even shittier, there's only half the selection if you live in the United States | Feb 26 10:13 |
DaemonFC | even though most of the material in that store probably came from here | Feb 26 10:14 |
DaemonFC | what a crock | Feb 26 10:14 |
DaemonFC | well, so much for me even trying it | Feb 26 10:14 |
oiaohm | Online backups always have transfer limitations. | Feb 26 10:15 |
DaemonFC | If you're not in the EU, you get shit for selection | Feb 26 10:16 |
DaemonFC | is basically what he said | Feb 26 10:16 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] BusinessEurope pushing for patent harmonisation with Free Trade Agreements (page 9): http://i5.be/axg | Feb 26 10:21 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/25/deutsche_telekom/ | Feb 26 10:27 |
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schestowitz | "Dawn Brancheau, 40, a trainer at Sea World in Orlando, lost her life yesterday after a killer whale attack. Miscreants have wasted no time is exploiting the tragedy, as so many before it, by setting up malware traps designed to ensnare the unwary." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/25/killer_whale_scareware/ Not so friendly after all | Feb 26 10:28 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Scareware scams ride the back of killer whale tragedy • The Register .::. Size~: 22.28 KB | Feb 26 10:28 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft to tax Panasonic over Linux patents now: http://i5.be/axh | Feb 26 10:29 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1253437/More-British-passports-used-Mahmoud-al-Mabhouh-Hamas-assassination.html | Feb 26 10:30 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: More British passports used in Mahmoud al-Mabhouh Hamas assassination | Mail Online .::. Size~: 80.81 KB | Feb 26 10:31 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA is legislation laundering on an international scale: http://i5.be/axi | Feb 26 10:31 | |
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schestowitz | zoobab: LINUX patents? | Feb 26 10:31 |
schestowitz | I think not | Feb 26 10:31 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab it's nor about Linux (directly at least) | Feb 26 10:33 | |
oiaohm | Really these companies are stupid. | Feb 26 10:33 |
oiaohm | Most of the agreements are over exfat and other items like it. | Feb 26 10:33 |
oiaohm | That lot of these companies agreed to be part of media standards. | Feb 26 10:33 |
schestowitz | It's a crap FS | Feb 26 10:33 |
schestowitz | And it's patent-emcumbered | Feb 26 10:34 |
schestowitz | Maybe Microsoft bribes them to adopt it | Feb 26 10:34 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/25/50_cent_suit/ "A Florida woman yesterday filed suit in Manhattan against rapper 50 Cent, claiming that he "unlawfully distributed" a homemade sex video of her on his website in 2009." | Feb 26 10:35 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Van In het Veld on criminal sanctions in ACTA: "National parliaments show so little interest in ACTA" http://i5.be/axm | Feb 26 10:50 | |
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schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/obama-halt-home-foreclosures-prior-loan-modification-assistance/ | Feb 26 10:53 |
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schestowitz | http://washingtonindependent.com/77575/blackwater-still-illicitly-has-53-weapons-from-u-s-military-in-afghanistan | Feb 26 10:54 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Blackwater Still Illicitly Has 53 Weapons From U.S. Military in Afghanistan « The Washington Independent .::. Size~: 24.95 KB | Feb 26 10:54 |
schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/olbermann-my-father-asked-kill-him/ | Feb 26 10:55 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Olbermann: My father asked me to kill him | Raw Story .::. Size~: 55.3 KB | Feb 26 10:55 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @medeabenjamin Former Paravant/Blackwater employee [..] told CODEPINK activist Tighe Barry at Senate hearing today "I'm gonna kill you." | Feb 26 10:58 | |
schestowitz | http://github.com/maximkulkin/spreadsheet ODF with Ruby? | Feb 26 11:04 |
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schestowitz | http://phandroid.com/2010/02/23/lawsuit-city-caller-id-application-pulled-from-market/ | Feb 26 11:12 |
schestowitz | " | Feb 26 11:12 |
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schestowitz | Software patents are patents on ideas, they can be way too general. Patents should only be granted to implementations of ideas, ie source code which is already covered by copyright. Patents are meant to spur innovation, but software patents do the exact opposite. | Feb 26 11:12 |
schestowitz | The worst part of this mess is that only the little guys are going to get sued because they don’t have the means to defend themselves. | Feb 26 11:12 |
schestowitz | I have a theory that if Big Software Company X were to try to sue Big Software Company Y over software patent infringement, Big Software Company Y would win and the whole software patent system would finally come crashing down. That’s why the Big Software Company X’s of the world aren’t suing other big companies, they just make idle threats, pacts and deals. | Feb 26 11:12 |
schestowitz | " | Feb 26 11:12 |
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schestowitz | http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/132324/index.html | Feb 26 11:14 |
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Omar87 | Hi all. | Feb 26 11:26 |
zoobab | schestowitz: we have to create a giant troll, and go for mutual destruction | Feb 26 11:26 |
zoobab | no money, just injunctions to stop products | Feb 26 11:26 |
zoobab | and damages of course | Feb 26 11:27 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/BVM-AFLF08A/?kc=rss | Feb 26 11:27 |
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schestowitz | zoobab: you'd need capital | Feb 26 11:27 |
zoobab | because the big guys makes cross-licensing deals, they do not go for mutual destruction | Feb 26 11:27 |
zoobab | banks and edge funds | Feb 26 11:27 |
zoobab | writing patents is not that hard | Feb 26 11:27 |
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schestowitz | cross-licensing cartel | Feb 26 11:28 |
zoobab | the only solution is to develop the troll business | Feb 26 11:28 |
schestowitz | What will Ciaran say? | Feb 26 11:28 |
zoobab | go for maximum harm | Feb 26 11:28 |
schestowitz | For what goal? | Feb 26 11:29 |
schestowitz | Trolling more? | Feb 26 11:29 |
zoobab | yes | Feb 26 11:29 |
schestowitz | Or making a statement? | Feb 26 11:29 |
schestowitz | I can't see how this improves much | Feb 26 11:29 |
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zoobab | build and Intellectual Venture clone | Feb 26 11:29 |
schestowitz | And if you declare intention to f* up the industry of patents, then you have no sympathy from judges | Feb 26 11:30 |
zoobab | and get the money to finance lobbying | Feb 26 11:30 |
schestowitz | OIN used to say that it would crack the system | Feb 26 11:30 |
schestowitz | But it's just another pool | Feb 26 11:30 |
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zoobab | no no | Feb 26 11:30 |
zoobab | use shell companies | Feb 26 11:30 |
zoobab | like IV is doing | Feb 26 11:30 |
zoobab | a network of companies | Feb 26 11:30 |
zoobab | litigation by proxy | Feb 26 11:31 |
schestowitz | What for? | Feb 26 11:31 |
schestowitz | How does that fix much? | Feb 26 11:31 |
schestowitz | Gates has his own patent troll | Feb 26 11:31 |
schestowitz | Searete | Feb 26 11:31 |
zoobab | the more harm the better | Feb 26 11:31 |
schestowitz | And he put billions in NathanM | Feb 26 11:31 |
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schestowitz | Than call your company System BReaker LLC | Feb 26 11:33 |
schestowitz | And go break the patent system | Feb 26 11:33 |
zoobab | I have another plan | Feb 26 11:34 |
zoobab | much more simple | Feb 26 11:34 |
zoobab | but that will just kill the EPO | Feb 26 11:34 |
schestowitz | Sounds good | Feb 26 11:34 |
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zoobab | can you oppose a finish patent in Finish at the EPO? No, so unconstitutional | Feb 26 11:35 |
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schestowitz | Isn't the whole system unconstitutional? | Feb 26 11:38 |
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schestowitz | Jose X left some comments to that effect | Feb 26 11:38 |
schestowitz | There's something inherently incompatible with the USPTO | Feb 26 11:39 |
schestowitz | The founding father there too opposed it | Feb 26 11:39 |
schestowitz | Anyway, though, the issue is that the patent offices don't promote science | Feb 26 11:39 |
schestowitz | They now promote patent lawyers (trolls and monopolies with lawyers) | Feb 26 11:39 |
schestowitz | But it's a taboo to say it | Feb 26 11:39 |
schestowitz | And there are "useful idiots" like that Polish company Microsoft uses as a puppet | Feb 26 11:40 |
schestowitz | And then there is ACT pretending to be 3,000 SMBs | Feb 26 11:40 |
schestowitz | That's just criminals | Feb 26 11:40 |
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schestowitz | So people ought to be told that their cellphones or whatever is made worse -- not better -- by their patent system | Feb 26 11:40 |
schestowitz | Then people will push to shut them down | Feb 26 11:41 |
zoobab | oh yeah the Polish company appeared at several places | Feb 26 11:41 |
schestowitz | There's another one | Feb 26 11:41 |
zoobab | pushed by ACT and Microsoft | Feb 26 11:41 |
schestowitz | Andre sent me material | Feb 26 11:41 |
schestowitz | Fake case studies | Feb 26 11:41 |
zoobab | which one? | Feb 26 11:41 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/27/primer-jonathan-zuck-and-act/ | Feb 26 11:41 |
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zoobab | Did you finally got the ACT contribution at the Commission? | Feb 26 11:41 |
schestowitz | Tribeka | Feb 26 11:42 |
schestowitz | zoobab: no | Feb 26 11:42 |
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zoobab | Tribeka is a MS puppet: http://digital-majority.wdfiles.com/local--files/start/BallmerLondon.png | Feb 26 11:42 |
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schestowitz | Let me mail the ombudsman again | Feb 26 11:42 |
zoobab | after that you mail the MEPs | Feb 26 11:43 |
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zoobab | I have another scandal to be published soon | Feb 26 11:44 |
zoobab | ACT: No additional approximation of the substantive patent rules is required | Feb 26 11:44 |
zoobab | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/27/primer-jonathan-zuck-and-act/ | Feb 26 11:44 |
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schestowitz | zoobab: see results 5 and 6: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=Jonathan+Zuck&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Feb 26 11:49 |
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schestowitz | http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-set-up-mysql-database-replication-with-ssl-encryption-on-centos-5.4 | Feb 26 11:50 |
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schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/23/patent-system-blasted/ | Feb 26 11:51 |
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schestowitz | http://www.jimmyburnett.com/2010/02/arch-linux-kdevelop-irrlicht-3d-blender.html | Feb 26 12:00 |
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schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100223/0315518267.shtml | Feb 26 12:13 |
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cubezzz | KDE is a bit odd | Feb 26 12:26 |
cubezzz | Linux uses magic numbers for files but kview can't load a picture without an extension | Feb 26 12:26 |
MinceR | can gwenview load it? | Feb 26 12:27 |
MinceR | or kuickshow? | Feb 26 12:27 |
cubezzz | kview will load it explicitly if you say kview blahblah | Feb 26 12:27 |
cubezzz | but not with open inside kview | Feb 26 12:28 |
cubezzz | and I never heard of gwenview :) | Feb 26 12:28 |
cubezzz | same with gqview, no go | Feb 26 12:28 |
MinceR | i thought gwenview was the new default picture viewer of kde :> | Feb 26 12:29 |
cubezzz | kuickshow works | Feb 26 12:29 |
cubezzz | not in my case :) | Feb 26 12:29 |
cubezzz | remember: ancient 3.4.2 | Feb 26 12:29 |
MinceR | then it probably isn't a kde issue | Feb 26 12:29 |
MinceR | ic | Feb 26 12:29 |
cubezzz | I might try to go 3.5.10 with fc1 though | Feb 26 12:30 |
cubezzz | I mean 8.3 filenames are kind of passé | Feb 26 12:33 |
cubezzz | although I must admit I still put a three character extension on a lot of my files | Feb 26 12:34 |
cubezzz | they stopped using the k at the front then? | Feb 26 12:35 |
MinceR | sadly, they use it a lot less now | Feb 26 12:36 |
oiaohm | It a processing time short cut cubezzz | Feb 26 12:40 |
oiaohm | Searching all files for there mine types takes a while | Feb 26 12:40 |
schestowitz | Fox lies.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzxY7pK1Xw8 | Feb 26 12:40 |
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schestowitz | Heh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSsI3Yy9puA | Feb 26 12:41 |
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cubezzz | it's no biggie | Feb 26 12:41 |
cubezzz | gqview even works when the extension is wrong, as long as there's an extension :) | Feb 26 12:42 |
cubezzz | raster images usually have an identifier close to the start of the file | Feb 26 12:43 |
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Omar87 | Hi all. | Feb 26 13:19 |
Omar87 | I just booted into Lucid Lynx, I found this awesome game called gBrainy, though too bad it turned out to be built with M$-Mono. :-( | Feb 26 13:21 |
Omar87 | When I purged mono it was deleted as well. | Feb 26 13:22 |
cubezzz | just Microsoft's way of trying to worm into Linux | Feb 26 13:23 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] A commercial version of 6 Music existed: early XFM. Worked hard, got licence, got ads, set the controls for the bottom of the barrel. | Feb 26 13:29 | |
sebsebseb | Omar87: Oh it's made with Mono? :( | Feb 26 13:34 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Not quite, just loads of the Ubuntu developers don't seem to have any issue/s with Mono. | Feb 26 13:34 |
sebsebseb | Omar87: some pretty good apps are made with Mono, Banshee for example, but of course they could of been made with something else. | Feb 26 13:35 |
cubezzz | "Mono’s implementation of those components of the .NET stack not submitted to the ECMA for standardization has been the source of patent violation concerns for much of the life of the project" | Feb 26 13:36 |
cubezzz | I'd recommend avoiding Mono | Feb 26 13:36 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Good luck telling the Ubuntu developers that! | Feb 26 13:36 |
cubezzz | well... | Feb 26 13:37 |
cubezzz | I doubt they would listen to me in any case | Feb 26 13:37 |
MinceR | they don't seem to be listening to anyone | Feb 26 13:38 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Maybe Ubuntu like OpenSuse will become a Microsoft Linux distro eventaully as well, maybe the Yahoo/Microsoft/Bing deal is just the start of that? | Feb 26 13:38 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: well 10.04 is a Facebook, Twitter, and identi ca distro | Feb 26 13:38 |
sebsebseb | of course those social features when it comes to the social networking sites, will mainly be used for Facebook and Twitter | Feb 26 13:39 |
sebsebseb | propritary social networking sites | Feb 26 13:39 |
cubezzz | Ubuntu has diverged from what I consider to be "Linux proper" | Feb 26 13:39 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Meaning what exactly? | Feb 26 13:39 |
cubezzz | well, they seem to be dumbing everything down | Feb 26 13:40 |
cubezzz | not using su for example | Feb 26 13:40 |
sebsebseb | Omar87: Shame alpha 3 sucks, well I guess it will be a tiny bit better with logged in accounts to the social features. | Feb 26 13:40 |
sebsebseb | around next Thursday should get the proper eye candy, since their user interface freeze is Thursday | Feb 26 13:41 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: sure, but their target audiance is Windows users | Feb 26 13:41 |
cubezzz | "this is too hard to understand, let's remove it" <--- that sort of attitude | Feb 26 13:41 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: their main target audiance | Feb 26 13:41 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: before they didn't really do much for their "proper target audiance" ,but now they are | Feb 26 13:41 |
cubezzz | who has control? The programmers, that's it | Feb 26 13:41 |
cubezzz | and only with FOSS | Feb 26 13:42 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: and only with FOSS? | Feb 26 13:42 |
cubezzz | yes, without source code, you are powerless | Feb 26 13:42 |
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sebsebseb | I thought the proggrammers only had control be that opensource/freesoftware or closed source, it's just users can suggest features, or pay to get something proggrammed in, for both types of software? well not always for closed | Feb 26 13:42 |
cubezzz | well let me re-phrase a bit | Feb 26 13:42 |
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cubezzz | if you have the source code and can compile, you have the power :) | Feb 26 13:43 |
cubezzz | but most people don't have the source code with proprietary code | Feb 26 13:43 |
sebsebseb | the proggrammers do what they want, if they want to re write stuff, when it's not really needed for end users they will do so, for example Grub 2 and GDM 2 | Feb 26 13:43 |
oiaohm | sebsebseb: Really closed source programmers most of them are not in charage of their invention. | Feb 26 13:43 |
Omar87 | sebsebseb, Mono garbage never seizes to piss me off. | Feb 26 13:43 |
cubezzz | it's not ideal for sure | Feb 26 13:43 |
sebsebseb | Gnome 3 again is it really needed? nope | Feb 26 13:44 |
sebsebseb | Gnome 2 could continue to be edited upstream and made better, for quite a lot of more eyars | Feb 26 13:44 |
cubezzz | I have some proprietary source code, and I'm very limited in what I can do with it | Feb 26 13:44 |
sebsebseb | years | Feb 26 13:44 |
oiaohm | sebsebseb: wrong with grub 2. grub 1 run into a tech limit so was not matching what users where requesting. | Feb 26 13:44 |
sebsebseb | Gnome 2 lacks this and that, hence Canonicals recent edits | Feb 26 13:44 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: Grub 1 run into a tech limit??? | Feb 26 13:44 |
oiaohm | Tech limit of its design sebsebseb | Feb 26 13:45 |
cubezzz | it's software creep that worries me | Feb 26 13:45 |
cubezzz | programs and operating systems getting slower and slower over time | Feb 26 13:45 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Ubuntu are trying to target the "ignorant mainstream computer user more" as a result they are making quite a lot of geeks, less happy with it | Feb 26 13:45 |
oiaohm | grub 1 does not allow for self recovery in case of lost configuration file. | Feb 26 13:45 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: at the end of the day though, that's who they need to win over, to gain a more proper market share, and a profit | Feb 26 13:46 |
oiaohm | Something that was majorally harming users sebsebseb | Feb 26 13:46 |
sebsebseb | at the end of the day Canonical are about making money | Feb 26 13:46 |
cubezzz | I'm the Tom Bombadil of software, I don't care about marketshare :) | Feb 26 13:46 |
cubezzz | it's the Gate's and Ballmer's of the world that want control | Feb 26 13:46 |
cubezzz | I just want source code :) | Feb 26 13:46 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Mark Shuttleworth and other Canonical people want the distro to make a profit | Feb 26 13:47 |
oiaohm | Grub 2 will be formally released at some point. | Feb 26 13:47 |
cubezzz | I'm sure they do | Feb 26 13:47 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: in the Grub channel you can't get support for Grub 1 anymore | Feb 26 13:47 |
sebsebseb | and that's been quite a while | Feb 26 13:47 |
sebsebseb | Grub 1 support is off topic | Feb 26 13:47 |
sebsebseb | that's what I mean | Feb 26 13:48 |
cubezzz | I don't think I'm even using 1.0 :) | Feb 26 13:48 |
cubezzz | 0.93 | Feb 26 13:48 |
sebsebseb | I hope next Mandriva improves here and there | Feb 26 13:48 |
sebsebseb | the stuff I had issues with little things | Feb 26 13:48 |
sebsebseb | nothing major | Feb 26 13:48 |
cubezzz | if you have source code then _you_ are your own support | Feb 26 13:49 |
sebsebseb | then I might end up recommending Mandriva to a lot more people :) | Feb 26 13:49 |
sebsebseb | that is people who don't want Facebook junk and such | Feb 26 13:49 |
cubezzz | some people still use AmigaDOS | Feb 26 13:49 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Ubuntu is trying to target Windows users yep, the Ubuntu Music Store is another example | Feb 26 13:50 |
cubezzz | although I admit manufacturers always do that... drop support for old stuff | Feb 26 13:50 |
sebsebseb | something that can be used to compete against Itunes a bit here and there | Feb 26 13:50 |
sebsebseb | Ubuntu One was introduced in 9.10, but Dropbox already existed | Feb 26 13:51 |
sebsebseb | as far as I know | Feb 26 13:51 |
cubezzz | no one tests on old hardware | Feb 26 13:51 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Your on Fedora aren't you? | Feb 26 13:51 |
oiaohm | Every software design has limits sebsebseb. | Feb 26 13:51 |
cubezzz | what if my motherboard lasts 50 years? :) | Feb 26 13:51 |
sebsebseb | 10.04 will have Plymouth for boot up, Fedora already had that since Fedora 9 or whatever, not sure about Mandriva, but the latest one has a nice Plymouth boot up | Feb 26 13:52 |
cubezzz | yes, and I use a bunch of different versions plus I use Embedix which is even older | Feb 26 13:52 |
sebsebseb | Ubuntu does quite a lot of stuff, after someone else | Feb 26 13:52 |
cubezzz | I have to buy new crap all the time? No :) | Feb 26 13:52 |
cubezzz | I can use old crap | Feb 26 13:52 |
sebsebseb | plymouth after other distros, Ubuntu One after Dropbox existed already | Feb 26 13:52 |
cubezzz | in Cuba they still use 1950's cars | Feb 26 13:52 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Newer is not always better! | Feb 26 13:52 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Blowing snow. How nice. | Feb 26 13:53 | |
cubezzz | yes, my point :) | Feb 26 13:53 |
sebsebseb | ok ethernet woudn't work on other computer :( in Ubuntu 8.10 | Feb 26 13:53 |
oiaohm | Here is a good one singer sowing machines for leather are made new to the exactly the same design as 60 years ago. | Feb 26 13:53 |
sebsebseb | ,but on this computer no problem, and was a great release | Feb 26 13:53 |
cubezzz | I have a customer who uses a Dell from 1996 still | Feb 26 13:53 |
oiaohm | And I do means exactly same design. | Feb 26 13:53 |
oiaohm | Parts are interchanagable. | Feb 26 13:53 |
cubezzz | yes | Feb 26 13:53 |
cubezzz | good idea :) | Feb 26 13:53 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: yes good idea? | Feb 26 13:54 |
cubezzz | oiaohm's comment on interchangable parts | Feb 26 13:54 |
oiaohm | Computer world has not had enough time to stablise yet. | Feb 26 13:54 |
sebsebseb | The Ubuntu community is full of noobs | Feb 26 13:54 |
sebsebseb | and community members and other people who have used it for quite a while | Feb 26 13:54 |
sebsebseb | ,but mainly noobs it seems | Feb 26 13:55 |
sebsebseb | that don't know much about Desktop Linux | Feb 26 13:55 |
cubezzz | I predicted a while ago that computers would top out at a certain speed and people would buy new computers less and less | Feb 26 13:55 |
oiaohm | That is already happening. | Feb 26 13:55 |
oiaohm | Personally I expect what we call a PC to basically disappear. | Feb 26 13:55 |
oiaohm | Like TV phones and other devices pick up the slack. | Feb 26 13:56 |
MinceR | i don't expect it to | Feb 26 13:56 |
sebsebseb | I am not so sure about Ubuntu anymore, I guess really Windows is better in a way, except for all those security issues. | Feb 26 13:56 |
MinceR | maybe the unwashed masses won't have them, but there will always be demand for them | Feb 26 13:56 |
cubezzz | heh, windows is not better in any way | Feb 26 13:56 |
MinceR | for pc gaming, for example | Feb 26 13:56 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: nice graphical control panel | Feb 26 13:56 |
cubezzz | I have fought with doze since version 2.0 and it's always been crap | Feb 26 13:56 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Ubuntu lacks that, Mandriva has something :) | Feb 26 13:57 |
oiaohm | Servers yes PC most likely no. MinceR | Feb 26 13:57 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Windows control panel is pretty good really | Feb 26 13:57 |
oiaohm | More and more gaming these days are console. MinceR | Feb 26 13:57 |
MinceR | servers will have excessive lag for games :> | Feb 26 13:57 |
MinceR | consoles will never be able to do what pcs can for gaming | Feb 26 13:57 |
sebsebseb | Ubuntu is turning into a crap distro it seems | Feb 26 13:57 |
MinceR | no modding, no homebrew, no high performance, no nothing | Feb 26 13:57 |
sebsebseb | luckily for them, most of the noobs have no idea | Feb 26 13:57 |
cubezzz | sebsebseb, you have to give money to predatory billionaires... | Feb 26 13:57 |
cubezzz | philsophically untenable | Feb 26 13:58 |
sebsebseb | what's annoying really though is, how if stuff doesn't just work on Ubuntu wireless for example, a lot of people will give up and just go back to Windows | Feb 26 13:58 |
oiaohm | I am more thinking home server for gaming. MinceR. Ie server has a game interface basically kvm to where ever console is. MinceR | Feb 26 13:58 |
sebsebseb | not try another distro, Mandriva for example | Feb 26 13:58 |
cubezzz | and no ARM | Feb 26 13:58 |
oiaohm | End of what we class as a PC. More a form of Item that can follow us. MinceR | Feb 26 13:58 |
cubezzz | the keyboard will never die :) | Feb 26 13:59 |
sebsebseb | yeah maybe Ubuntu will be more like Windows soon | Feb 26 13:59 |
sebsebseb | an OS that | Feb 26 13:59 |
sebsebseb | computer ignorants that don't know better use | Feb 26 13:59 |
sebsebseb | in this case ignorants that don't know about other good distros | Feb 26 13:59 |
oiaohm | Ubuntu is not the first distribution to do what Ubuntu has done. Think early mandrake | Feb 26 13:59 |
cubezzz | "time to pay the Microsoft tax" <--- repeat every few years | Feb 26 13:59 |
MinceR | oiaohm: i think that sort of 'basically kvm' will be way too lagged for a long time. | Feb 26 13:59 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: yes I know Mandrake/Mandriva used to have the market Ubuntu has now | Feb 26 14:00 |
cubezzz | sebsebseb, plenty of non-Ubuntu choices out there | Feb 26 14:00 |
oiaohm | Really not MinceR. If you can stream a video stream fast enough it works. | Feb 26 14:00 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: yep and that aren't based on Ubuntu or Debian, and that are good, and that many unhappy Ubuntu users that are new, won't just try, because they will just go back to Windows instead | Feb 26 14:00 |
oiaohm | Systems doing it already exist MinceR | Feb 26 14:00 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: remember a lot of people think Linux = Ubuntu these days | Feb 26 14:00 |
MinceR | oiaohm: nope, that's only half the story. you also need to send the inputs quickly, and this isn't about bandwidth, it's about delay and jitter. | Feb 26 14:01 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: quite a lot of people don't now what a distro or distribution is, that have tried Ubuntu | Feb 26 14:01 |
MinceR | i know there are two attempts to make it work and iirc tests show that they don't work well where low delay is needed | Feb 26 14:01 |
cubezzz | yes, that's a different world | Feb 26 14:01 |
MinceR | FPSes, for example | Feb 26 14:01 |
oiaohm | Under 100 meters of cable to server not large enough effect. Human reflexs are way worse. MinceR | Feb 26 14:01 |
MinceR | they stack. | Feb 26 14:02 |
MinceR | then again, if everyone had a home server to run the game on and interface with it via thin clients, that might work... when they're at home. | Feb 26 14:02 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: Mandrake/Mandriva failed at having most market share | Feb 26 14:02 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: I am not sure of the story | Feb 26 14:02 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: Ubuntu might fail as well soon. This is maybe just the start of it now. | Feb 26 14:03 |
sebsebseb | that's not that good if distros get most of the market share for Desktop Linux, and then fail in a few years or so. | Feb 26 14:03 |
sebsebseb | somebody described Ubuntu as being like Linspire now | Feb 26 14:04 |
sebsebseb | indeed it is, becoming a bit more like Linspire I guess. | Feb 26 14:04 |
cubezzz | yes | Feb 26 14:04 |
cubezzz | the comparison is apt | Feb 26 14:04 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: the comparision is apt??? | Feb 26 14:05 |
MinceR | well, it isn't yum | Feb 26 14:05 |
oiaohm | MinceR: I am not talking about sending this across net. Internet is too uncontrolled. More the end of the home pc. And home server and interfaces appear. Main reason flexibility and noise. Its really hard to build a soundless powerful computer. | Feb 26 14:05 |
sebsebseb | Desktop Linux is a bit hrm these days | Feb 26 14:05 |
sebsebseb | all this stuff changing | Feb 26 14:05 |
sebsebseb | Gnome 3 is the next major change | Feb 26 14:05 |
MinceR | oiaohm: i suspect that such a server will still be more than anything a pc | Feb 26 14:06 |
sebsebseb | maybe something like haiku will hit off more properly some how | Feb 26 14:06 |
sebsebseb | I think that was the name, that BEOS like OS | Feb 26 14:06 |
oiaohm | I am more talking about how it will be used MinceR | Feb 26 14:06 |
MinceR | haiku is just beos, with all its limitations | Feb 26 14:06 |
oiaohm | Even if the hardware stays basically releated. MinceR | Feb 26 14:06 |
MinceR | oiaohm: ic | Feb 26 14:06 |
sebsebseb | maybe PC BSD will gain market share, some how, but only if Desktop Linux starts to fail more, I guess | Feb 26 14:07 |
cubezzz | I tried BeOS a while ago | Feb 26 14:07 |
MinceR | PC-BSD, where installing Gnome is likely to break the system? :> | Feb 26 14:07 |
oiaohm | Basicallly the way we are using computer hardware is changing. | Feb 26 14:07 |
cubezzz | Linux is where all the action is | Feb 26 14:07 |
oiaohm | I even expect windows home server at some point to start suporting thin clients. | Feb 26 14:08 |
sebsebseb | maybe it won't matter, that Ubuntu is starting to mess up for some us, in a year or two or something | Feb 26 14:08 |
sebsebseb | ,because | Feb 26 14:08 |
sebsebseb | mobile computing will have hit off a lot more | Feb 26 14:08 |
oiaohm | Really think in terms of value to Linux. | Feb 26 14:11 |
oiaohm | Linux needs companies to employ developers to work on Linux. | Feb 26 14:11 |
oiaohm | embeded markets like phone makers are ripe pickings. | Feb 26 14:12 |
oiaohm | Desktop market is really quite poor pickings. | Feb 26 14:12 |
cubezzz | ", previously known as LindowsOS, was a commercial operating system based on Debian GNU/Linux and later Ubuntu" | Feb 26 14:13 |
sebsebseb | "some of us" | Feb 26 14:14 |
cubezzz | "O August 8, 2008, Andreas Typaldos, CEO of Xandros, announced that Linspire would be discontinued in favor of Xandros, Freespire would change its base code from Ubuntu to Debian, and the Linspire brand would cease to exist" | Feb 26 14:14 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Lindows/Linspire was hated by certain people in the Linux Community or whatever | Feb 26 14:14 |
cubezzz | so no more Linspire :) | Feb 26 14:14 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: however then the Freespire version as well yep :) | Feb 26 14:14 |
sebsebseb | and Linspire and Freespire were interesting projects to follow really and such | Feb 26 14:14 |
cubezzz | I still like Fedora | Feb 26 14:14 |
sebsebseb | and I tried an old Freespire or two | Feb 26 14:14 |
sebsebseb | and maybe Linspire as well | Feb 26 14:14 |
sebsebseb | virtual machine I think or Live CD | Feb 26 14:15 |
oiaohm | Change from Lindows when there was not legal requirement upset quite a few people sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:15 |
oiaohm | Annoying MS has always been seen as a sport. | Feb 26 14:15 |
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sebsebseb | oiaohm: When there was not legal requirement? | Feb 26 14:15 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: They didn't have to re name from Lindows to Linspire? | Feb 26 14:15 |
cubezzz | yes | Feb 26 14:15 |
sebsebseb | oh | Feb 26 14:15 |
sebsebseb | well Lindows could of been a better name then | Feb 26 14:16 |
sebsebseb | plus yeah it seems more "offical" from Microsoft type name | Feb 26 14:16 |
sebsebseb | Xandros bought Linspire yep, and became a bit of a joke on the EEPC really? | Feb 26 14:16 |
sebsebseb | the amount of people who would replace Xandros with a better distro? | Feb 26 14:16 |
cubezzz | I never hear people talk about Xandros | Feb 26 14:17 |
oiaohm | MS paid for the rename from Lindows to Linspire | Feb 26 14:18 |
sebsebseb | hrm that's interesting I don't reemmber trying Linspire or Freespire, pretty sure I did some how though | Feb 26 14:18 |
oiaohm | There was no legal reason to change. sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:18 |
sebsebseb | what's happended to Xandros now? | Feb 26 14:18 |
cubezzz | rather deadish :) | Feb 26 14:19 |
sebsebseb | as far as I see it, for new users, it's Ubuntu or Mandriva | Feb 26 14:19 |
sebsebseb | Mint and other distros based on Ubuntu, that's silly to do that | Feb 26 14:19 |
sebsebseb | OpenSuse uhmm no since they get funding from Novell/Microsoft, the patents deal etc | Feb 26 14:19 |
cubezzz | the big 3 are Debian, Ubuntu and Fedora | Feb 26 14:19 |
sebsebseb | and Debian I don't really see as being a good distro for new users | Feb 26 14:19 |
sebsebseb | ,because of how they do releases | Feb 26 14:19 |
sebsebseb | Fedora is more cutting edge, it's really for intermediate users, not newbies | Feb 26 14:20 |
sebsebseb | so yep Ubuntu or Mandriva | Feb 26 14:20 |
oiaohm | Saddly Fedora can be better for new users than Ubuntu | Feb 26 14:20 |
oiaohm | Less stuff screwing up randomly sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:20 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: Fedora won't always install | Feb 26 14:20 |
oiaohm | neither does Ubuntu sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:20 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: also I thought Fedora is more likely to brake than Ubuntu | Feb 26 14:20 |
oiaohm | Less current day sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:21 |
sebsebseb | I suppouse we could recommend CentOS to new users :D I mean desktop users | Feb 26 14:21 |
sebsebseb | ,but not many of us would do that, if any of us | Feb 26 14:21 |
oiaohm | Fedora upstream policy has majorally stablised things sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:21 |
oiaohm | Pre the upstream policy Fedora was scary as hell. | Feb 26 14:21 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: I had Ubuntu and Vista on the computer, I wanted to replace my Ubuntu / partition with Fedora 11 | Feb 26 14:21 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: I told it to do a custom install, I tried to delete the partition and make a new, and error | Feb 26 14:21 |
cubezzz | I install mostly Fedora for people who want Linux | Feb 26 14:22 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: basically told me something had gone wrong, it was a probably a bug, and I should report it, and told me how to do that | Feb 26 14:22 |
sebsebseb | maybe Fedora's installer has improved a bit since then, however thing is apparnatly loads of installer bugs were fixed in Fedora 11's installer, but yet I got one | Feb 26 14:23 |
oiaohm | Seen 9.10 ubuntu jam up doign the same kind of things by the way. sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:23 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: some computers Ubuntu won't install on it seems, but most it will | Feb 26 14:23 |
sebsebseb | PC's when talking computers in that context | Feb 26 14:23 |
oiaohm | I have cases due to fedora being ahead in kernel where both install. | Feb 26 14:23 |
oiaohm | Yet Ubuntu is highly unstable. | Feb 26 14:24 |
oiaohm | Cause back ported drivers not being intergrated into kernel right sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:24 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: well they take a snapshot of Debian | Feb 26 14:24 |
sebsebseb | and then do their changes | Feb 26 14:24 |
oiaohm | Its ubuntu changes that bring the house down sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:24 |
oiaohm | Not check well enough. | Feb 26 14:24 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: yep Ubuntu is a bit crappy now days | Feb 26 14:24 |
oiaohm | Fedora upstream first policy ie where patches are sent up stream have cut the problems down for fedora a lot. | Feb 26 14:25 |
sebsebseb | ,but yet jono will be saying this and that is awesome about it, heh heh | Feb 26 14:25 |
sebsebseb | for obvious reasons I guess :D | Feb 26 14:25 |
sebsebseb | since he works for Canonical | Feb 26 14:25 |
oiaohm | Upstream developers normally know more about the code than any single maintainer could hope to know. | Feb 26 14:25 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: Ubuntu 10.04 will use 2.6.22 | Feb 26 14:26 |
oiaohm | Ubuntu is trying to get a upstream policy in place. | Feb 26 14:26 |
oiaohm | Really why sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:26 |
sebsebseb | or is that 32 | Feb 26 14:26 |
oiaohm | Ubuntu has back ported huge blocks of 2.6.33 into 2.6.32 so it basically not .32 any more. | Feb 26 14:26 |
oiaohm | But some bastard beast you hope works. | Feb 26 14:26 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The EU Commission maintains that any criminal action should be for infringements on a large, commercial scale only: http://i5.be/axt | Feb 26 14:27 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Kubuntu Lucid Lynx Alpha 3 booted without any problems from USB thumbdrive works fine. | Feb 26 14:27 | |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: yes 2.6.32 | Feb 26 14:27 |
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sebsebseb | oiaohm: the one that's meant to be maintained upstream for two years | Feb 26 14:27 |
oiaohm | How can ubuntu intergrate the upstream patches thinkign they cross breed it. | Feb 26 14:27 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: and then Ubuntu will have to support it them selves, eventaully | Feb 26 14:27 |
oiaohm | Straight off bat by the way sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:27 |
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sebsebseb | oiaohm: 10.04 will be supported three years on the desktop, and five on the server | Feb 26 14:28 |
oiaohm | There are all ready patches for 2.6.32.1 that will not go into the ubuntu kernel stable. | Feb 26 14:28 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: straight off bat? you mean they become the upstream for it? and yeah I know, they got to do it on their own | Feb 26 14:28 |
oiaohm | They are on there own straight off bat. sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:28 |
oiaohm | the two years of 2.6.32 will be no use to them. sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:28 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: I don't know what you mean, I am not that good at sayings. | Feb 26 14:28 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Inducing copyright infringement will be in ACTA: http://i5.be/axu | Feb 26 14:29 | |
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oiaohm | Since the maintaince patches over the 2 years of support for 2.6.32 are not going to merge due to the patches they back ported from 2.6.33 sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:29 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh | Feb 26 14:29 |
oiaohm | Basically 10.04 kernel is not 2.6.32 | Feb 26 14:29 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: well they are just making things difficult for themselves maybe? | Feb 26 14:29 |
oiaohm | Yep more than difficult. | Feb 26 14:30 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: if they didn't have this security updates only policy from the main repos, they could just put in later kernels them selves | Feb 26 14:30 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Konqueror now asks at first startup if you want to install additional plugins. Makes Firefox obsolete (I guess). | Feb 26 14:30 | |
oiaohm | Add in added secuirty framework as well and you have a complete complexity of mantaince on hands sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:30 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: Ubuntu really do stuff stupidly, when it comes to later packages | Feb 26 14:31 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Overall first impression of Kubuntu Luxid Lynx Alpha 3: Excelent! | Feb 26 14:31 | |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: hence now how loads of users will have to rely on ppa's for later stuff | Feb 26 14:31 |
oiaohm | Ubuntu really needs to get upstream first policy working. | Feb 26 14:31 |
oiaohm | Even if it means dismissing many mantainers. | Feb 26 14:31 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: upstream first policy??? meaning? | Feb 26 14:31 |
oiaohm | Like fedoras. | Feb 26 14:31 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: I don't know what that is | Feb 26 14:32 |
oiaohm | You want to patch a package you must send it upstream to the creators of the software before as a maintainer you can apply a patch. | Feb 26 14:32 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: Oh so only upstream packages get accepted? | Feb 26 14:32 |
sebsebseb | patches above | Feb 26 14:32 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: Ubuntu do their own thing, take those edits to the fast user account switcher for example | Feb 26 14:33 |
oiaohm | If the creators of the software reject the patch on tech reasons it cannot be intergrated. | Feb 26 14:33 |
oiaohm | Fedora has some non mainline patches but they have been looked at by upstream and said to at least appear sane. | Feb 26 14:33 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: ah yes that's basically what another guy said, how some of the Ubuntu change's aren't sane | Feb 26 14:34 |
sebsebseb | (said on IRC) | Feb 26 14:34 |
oiaohm | Ubuntu own edits equals less eyes looking at code and more risks of problems. Particularly when you wake up large projects like wine there is no one who really does know the code completely. | Feb 26 14:35 |
oiaohm | Everyone in wine only knows a small section well. | Feb 26 14:35 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: Wake up? | Feb 26 14:35 |
oiaohm | So since the full time staff don't know it. Making a alteration required talking to many people. | Feb 26 14:35 |
oiaohm | Just to make sure you don't screw stuff up. | Feb 26 14:35 |
sebsebseb | "Particularly when you wake up large project" | Feb 26 14:36 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] But the whole idea of software patents is lunacy. We need to eliminate software patents and we need to do it now: http://i5.be/axx | Feb 26 14:36 | |
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sebsebseb | "Particularly when you wake up large projects" | Feb 26 14:36 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: What do you mean wake up? | Feb 26 14:36 |
oiaohm | Wake up to the fact that large project no one knows the code completely. | Feb 26 14:36 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: yeah and Linux kernel is another one | Feb 26 14:36 |
oiaohm | Then places like Ubuntu a single maintainer on large items has the final say so. | Feb 26 14:37 |
oiaohm | Ie why things are going south. | Feb 26 14:37 |
oiaohm | There is no way a single maintainer can truly audit what he/she is doing. | Feb 26 14:37 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: it's meant to be a LTS 10.04 | Feb 26 14:37 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: however I guess most users will upgrade when 10.10 comes out | Feb 26 14:38 |
sebsebseb | as for LTS users | Feb 26 14:38 |
oiaohm | Yet they have made it harder to maintain a LTS. | Feb 26 14:38 |
sebsebseb | most will probably upgrade when the next LTS comes out, with the exception of servers possibily | Feb 26 14:38 |
sebsebseb | since the re boots | Feb 26 14:38 |
oiaohm | Ie left 2.6.32 kernel alone. | Feb 26 14:38 |
sebsebseb | in fact I read about some program, that makes it so you don't have to re boot Linux servers when doing security updates | Feb 26 14:38 |
oiaohm | Would have made live simpler for 2 years. | Feb 26 14:38 |
oiaohm | ksplice sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:38 |
oiaohm | Yes it works. | Feb 26 14:38 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: yeah that sounds like the one | Feb 26 14:38 |
oiaohm | But you really do have to pay for ksplice | Feb 26 14:39 |
sebsebseb | yeah that's surely it | Feb 26 14:39 |
cubezzz | that's why I like 2.4 | Feb 26 14:39 |
cubezzz | for older hardware | Feb 26 14:39 |
sebsebseb | Linux kernel 2.4? | Feb 26 14:39 |
cubezzz | yes | Feb 26 14:39 |
oiaohm | Since patch the kernel the wrong way at run time you send system to hell sebsebseb | Feb 26 14:39 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: I don't trust Ubuntu fully | Feb 26 14:39 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: patching the Linux kernel on their own | Feb 26 14:39 |
oiaohm | Ubuntu is not the only distribution making these basic mistakes. | Feb 26 14:40 |
sebsebseb | some things Ubuntu developers shoudn't be doing in the first place really, such as maintaining a Linux kernel on their own | Feb 26 14:40 |
oiaohm | Debian still does as well. | Feb 26 14:40 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh Debian doing it as well? well most of the stuff in Ubuntu comes from Debian | Feb 26 14:40 |
oiaohm | A upstream first policy need to be force on all distributions. | Feb 26 14:40 |
oiaohm | Debian maintainers over back port patches. | Feb 26 14:41 |
oiaohm | Even on libs that are ABI compabidlbe. | Feb 26 14:41 |
sebsebseb | ABI???? | Feb 26 14:41 |
oiaohm | Application binary interface | Feb 26 14:41 |
sebsebseb | not sure what that is | Feb 26 14:41 |
oiaohm | Basically means old binarys will be able to interface with new lib without having to change anything if its ABI compabible | Feb 26 14:42 |
oiaohm | If its not ABI compadbile you would have to rebuild the parts using it. | Feb 26 14:42 |
sebsebseb | well nice that Gnome 2 will live on at least another three years, with many users, using it in Ubuntu | Feb 26 14:42 |
sebsebseb | Gnome 3 this September | Feb 26 14:42 |
sebsebseb | Ubuntu 10.04 probably as an option in the repo | Feb 26 14:43 |
oiaohm | Gnome 3 is just a revampted Gnome 2 | Feb 26 14:43 |
sebsebseb | default unlikely, since to new | Feb 26 14:43 |
oiaohm | Its nothing like the KDE 4.0 change. | Feb 26 14:43 |
sebsebseb | 11.04 probably by default or possibily | Feb 26 14:43 |
oiaohm | Where KDE basically complete gutted it. | Feb 26 14:43 |
sebsebseb | Ubuntu 10.04... no that was meant to be 10.10 | Feb 26 14:44 |
sebsebseb | probably optional in 10.10 repo | Feb 26 14:44 |
sebsebseb | default in 11.04 possibily/probably | Feb 26 14:44 |
sebsebseb | 11.11 default I expect so | Feb 26 14:44 |
sebsebseb | uh 11.10 | Feb 26 14:44 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: Well I am quite happy with Gnome 2 | Feb 26 14:44 |
sebsebseb | not tried Gnome 3 yet, but read and seen scree shots and such | Feb 26 14:45 |
oiaohm | I am quite happy with KDE 4.3 so far. | Feb 26 14:45 |
oiaohm | But looking forward to KDE 4.4 | Feb 26 14:45 |
sebsebseb | oiaohm: KDE 4.4 is already out, and that's been a while now | Feb 26 14:45 |
oiaohm | I just have not upgraded yet. | Feb 26 14:45 |
oiaohm | Ie kinda shows I am happy. | Feb 26 14:46 |
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Omar87 | Anyone knows a good Debian-based distro with no Mono garbage attached? | Feb 26 14:46 |
sebsebseb | Omar87: don't know, but maybe that guy just went to bed | Feb 26 14:46 |
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Omar87 | sebsebseb, what guys? | Feb 26 14:47 |
Omar87 | guy* | Feb 26 14:47 |
sebsebseb | Omar87: oiaohm | Feb 26 14:47 |
*MinceR installs oiaohm on a virtual machine :> | Feb 26 14:52 | |
sebsebseb | MinceR: What? | Feb 26 14:53 |
MinceR | sebsebseb: i deliberately misinterpreted your reply as meaning oiaohm is a good debian-based distro with no mono garbage :> | Feb 26 14:53 |
sebsebseb | MinceR: right ok, whatever I guess :D | Feb 26 14:54 |
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cubezzz | did I show everyone the freenet video? | Feb 26 16:24 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Conspirators Who Keep It Secret Are Named http://ur1.ca/niil http://ur1.ca/n8wf http://ur1.ca/nntp | Feb 26 16:46 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning, friends! | Feb 26 16:52 | |
schestowitz | All of jono's friends live in the west coast | Feb 26 16:56 |
cubezzz | 11:51 am | Feb 26 16:58 |
cubezzz | it's still morning barely :) | Feb 26 16:58 |
*cubezzz <- not on west coast | Feb 26 16:58 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Interesting, there is no Severed Fifth in the Ubuntu One Music Store. Not sure whether to be happy or extatic ;) @jonobacon | Feb 26 17:00 | |
*MinceR <- not on west coast | Feb 26 17:00 | |
cubezzz | hrmmm | Feb 26 17:01 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] New Shot Of Jaq! Hardware On Rails - http://is.gd/9fz64 - would you like to see a market for high-level hardware components? #shotofjaq | Feb 26 17:03 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @popey: Little bit from Column A, little bit from Column B. :P | Feb 26 17:05 | |
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cubezzz | time to upgrade kaffeine | Feb 26 17:09 |
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Agent-Smith | Hi there | Feb 26 17:22 |
Agent-Smith | Any1 on ??? | Feb 26 17:22 |
Agent-Smith | Mr. Schestowitz, could write something about Bob Muglia smearing Oracle ??? | Feb 26 17:23 |
Diablo-D3 | who the fuck is bob muglia? | Feb 26 17:24 |
Agent-Smith | A guy from M$ | Feb 26 17:24 |
Agent-Smith | Here goes the link | Feb 26 17:24 |
Agent-Smith | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/25/muglia_oracle_sun_19780s_hell/ | Feb 26 17:24 |
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Agent-Smith | Ok ??? | Feb 26 17:25 |
Agent-Smith | ;-) | Feb 26 17:25 |
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Diablo-D3 | meh who cares what he says | Feb 26 17:26 |
Agent-Smith | Well, not me, but these M$ attacks go on and on | Feb 26 17:27 |
Agent-Smith | Sometimes, Google, now Oracle... | Feb 26 17:27 |
Diablo-D3 | yeah, it doesnt really matter | Feb 26 17:28 |
Agent-Smith | Oracle has a great chance to sink M$ business even more | Feb 26 17:28 |
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Agent-Smith | Well, just dropped by to give the link | Feb 26 17:32 |
Agent-Smith | Got to go now | Feb 26 17:32 |
Agent-Smith | Best regards | Feb 26 17:33 |
Agent-Smith | Bye | Feb 26 17:33 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Cartoon : How #Microsoft Robs the Nation http://ur1.ca/nnyq #tax #crime #cronyism #humor #washington | Feb 26 17:37 | |
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schestowitz | Muglia... | Feb 26 17:46 |
schestowitz | Heh. Gavin the Microsoft booster taking shots | Feb 26 17:46 |
schestowitz | I saw it yesterday | Feb 26 17:47 |
schestowitz | Gavin is slime in my eyes.... always making it obvious whose line he's pushing... the criminal organisaiton | Feb 26 17:47 |
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trmanco | hi | Feb 26 17:49 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft abuses words of the English language in order for people to feel confused http://ur1.ca/no0k #spin #pr #lies | Feb 26 17:52 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Derby commuter hell named after Lara Croft http://newstechnica.com/?p=1660 | Feb 26 17:57 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 7 New Problems http://ur1.ca/no1l Products that are labeled “7″ continue to falter (holes, delays, lack of acceptance, etc.) | Feb 26 18:01 | |
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tessier | ur1.ca? Geez...this url shortening thing is getting crazy. I still prefer regular urls. | Feb 26 18:04 |
bruce89 | slightly tricky on identi.ca | Feb 26 18:05 |
schestowitz | Hey, trmanco | Feb 26 18:09 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell ’s Patches for #Linux ( #Kernel ) Drop Sharply http://ur1.ca/no2m focusing on .NET, Silverlight, etc. now | Feb 26 18:10 | |
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trmanco | hey schestowitz | Feb 26 18:10 |
schestowitz | tessier: yes, I can't avoid the sites converting the URLs | Feb 26 18:10 |
trmanco | what's up? | Feb 26 18:10 |
schestowitz | I use to complain about them too ('link rot') | Feb 26 18:10 |
schestowitz | trmanco: just chillin', having a Bud | Feb 26 18:10 |
schestowitz | j/k | Feb 26 18:10 |
trmanco | schestowitz: beer? | Feb 26 18:11 |
trmanco | https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/bbckclmkoiihffpfbbmplffajljfemcl?hl=en | Feb 26 18:14 |
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cubezzz | link rot, I have that too | Feb 26 18:15 |
cubezzz | my web page is 14 years old :) | Feb 26 18:16 |
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schestowitz | http://gb1990.com/ | Feb 26 18:43 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I am doing a general Ubuntu and Community Q+A at 11am PST / 2pm EST / 7pm GMT/UTC - 20mins! at http://is.gd/960b9 - join us! #ubuntu | Feb 26 18:45 | |
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bruce89 | youtube HTML5 appears to work anwayy | Feb 26 18:49 |
bruce89 | Epiphany/WebKitGtk+ | Feb 26 18:49 |
MinceR | except on browsers made by entities who aren't part of the cartel | Feb 26 18:49 |
MinceR | such as firefox | Feb 26 18:49 |
bruce89 | difficult to describe GNOME as part of a cartel | Feb 26 18:50 |
MinceR | that probably gets it via webkit | Feb 26 18:50 |
bruce89 | actually, it's via gstreamer | Feb 26 18:51 |
MinceR | actually i'm not sure how it works in epiphany | Feb 26 18:51 |
MinceR | :) | Feb 26 18:51 |
MinceR | and even if it does work you might be vulnerable to patent lawsuits, depending on where you're using it. | Feb 26 18:51 |
bruce89 | well, WebKitGTK+ uses GStreamer for its media stuff | Feb 26 18:51 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Company That Made #Botnets Pretends to Fight Botnets (Microsoft) That is some massive spin http://ur1.ca/nod8 | Feb 26 19:07 | |
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cubezzz | ok, new kaffeine is a no go | Feb 26 19:23 |
cubezzz | eh? just use lynx and forget about all this overly elaborate stuff :) | Feb 26 19:24 |
cubezzz | use mplayer for video | Feb 26 19:24 |
cubezzz | with the good ol' text based interface :) | Feb 26 19:25 |
cubezzz | none of this hiding everything in a gui | Feb 26 19:26 |
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cubezzz | uhf video is better than any internet video for that matter | Feb 26 19:27 |
cubezzz | no DRM either :) | Feb 26 19:33 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jmcesteves: RT @EFF Epic Fail in Congress: USA PATRIOT Act Renewed Without Any New Civil Liberties Protections http://eff.org/n/9623 | Feb 26 19:50 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] United States, Korea, Singapore, and Denmark Behind the Secrecy of the #ACTA Conspiracy http://ur1.ca/nomc | Feb 26 19:59 | |
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bruce89 | Allez les bleus | Feb 26 20:03 |
Ender2070_ | Fedora 13 will be a nice KDE distro | Feb 26 20:03 |
Ender2070_ | KDE 4.4.0, KOffice 2.2, KDevelop 4.0, K3B 4 | Feb 26 20:03 |
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schestowitz | Maybe Ubuntu will move to KDE too | Feb 26 20:12 |
schestowitz | Mono problem solved | Feb 26 20:12 |
schestowitz | And I hear that Kubuntu won't be joined to Bong by the hip | Feb 26 20:12 |
cubezzz | I think I can get the newest kaffeine on fc1 after all :) | Feb 26 20:13 |
Ender2070_ | kaffeine uses Qt4 doesn't it? | Feb 26 20:13 |
cubezzz | not for me :) | Feb 26 20:14 |
cubezzz | actually you need at least 3.3 | Feb 26 20:14 |
cubezzz | it will be nice if I can pull this off | Feb 26 20:14 |
cubezzz | just in case I archived old kaffeine | Feb 26 20:15 |
cubezzz | fc1 will live forever :) | Feb 26 20:15 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: :( an episode of Click with nearly the whole thing dedicated to mobile phones, plus another Steve Ballmer interview to do with Windows Phone 7 | Feb 26 20:16 |
bruce89 | what, how can you possibly not be watching Wales being thrashed? | Feb 26 20:16 |
cubezzz | Click sounds like Crap :) | Feb 26 20:17 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: Which sport? What channel? and probably not interested | Feb 26 20:17 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: BBC Click yeah | Feb 26 20:17 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: so a lot of the time it is crap really | Feb 26 20:17 |
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sebsebseb | cubezzz: since it's aimed at main streame people, who have some sort of interest in technology | Feb 26 20:17 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: well some parts aren't that good I mean, depends on the episode | Feb 26 20:18 |
sebsebseb | however they do tend to go on about mobile phones, and social networking sites | Feb 26 20:18 |
Ender2070_ | <schestowitz> Maybe Ubuntu will move to KDE too | Feb 26 20:18 |
Ender2070_ | lets hope | Feb 26 20:18 |
cubezzz | why pollute your mind with Ballmer crap? | Feb 26 20:18 |
Ender2070_ | even though Fedora 13 will be better than Ubuntu 10.04 | Feb 26 20:18 |
sebsebseb | Ender2070_: KDE no! | Feb 26 20:18 |
cubezzz | it's bad for your health :) | Feb 26 20:18 |
bruce89 | brilliant try by France | Feb 26 20:18 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: heh | Feb 26 20:19 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Impressive and *really* cool. Like a true GPS guided missile^Wdrone: http://www.google.pt/search?q=hexakopter | Feb 26 20:19 | |
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sebsebseb | cubezzz: the begining of that was sort of funny I think, since it's like "welcome back to Click" "yeah thanks" | Feb 26 20:19 |
Ender2070_ | sebsebseb - KDE yes! | Feb 26 20:19 |
sebsebseb | Ender2070_: KDE no | Feb 26 20:19 |
sebsebseb | Ender2070_: screw KDE | Feb 26 20:19 |
cubezzz | Ballmer will be lucky if he doesn't have a massive heart attack | Feb 26 20:20 |
sebsebseb | except for some KDE apps in Gnome, since KDE 4 is to diffenret to KDE 3 | Feb 26 20:20 |
Ender2070_ | KDE 4 is the most advanced right now | Feb 26 20:20 |
cubezzz | old KDE good, new KDE.... hrrmmmmm | Feb 26 20:20 |
sebsebseb | Ender2070_: it's rather geek yeah | Feb 26 20:20 |
sebsebseb | Ender2070_: it looks like Windows by default | Feb 26 20:20 |
sebsebseb | ,but a bit better | Feb 26 20:20 |
sebsebseb | and then is geek to customizie | Feb 26 20:20 |
Ender2070_ | it looks better than windows | Feb 26 20:20 |
Ender2070_ | gnome looks like apple had sex with windows and you're left with its bastard child | Feb 26 20:21 |
cubezzz | KDE would be perfect if it had a "retro mode" | Feb 26 20:21 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: why do they have to interview these coroporate people | Feb 26 20:21 |
cubezzz | like if you were on a slow machine... | Feb 26 20:21 |
sebsebseb | propritary software or hardware people | Feb 26 20:21 |
sebsebseb | would be awesome if they had an episode with most of it dedicated to Lucid when that came out | Feb 26 20:21 |
sebsebseb | they could go on about the social features that are built in | Feb 26 20:21 |
cubezzz | Linus was on Charlie Rose once sebsebseb | Feb 26 20:21 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Linux stuff get's mentioned briefly on Click. Also Android is getting mentioned here and there, but with them not saying it runs Linux. | Feb 26 20:22 |
bruce89 | 0 - 7 | Feb 26 20:22 |
cubezzz | isn't there a Linux only show? | Feb 26 20:22 |
cubezzz | somewhere? | Feb 26 20:22 |
cubezzz | or a FOSS show? | Feb 26 20:22 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: I don't think so | Feb 26 20:22 |
cubezzz | bah | Feb 26 20:23 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: something about the Iplayer or whatever you linked to before? well watching it using Flash on the website still works, on Desktop Linux | Feb 26 20:23 |
bruce89 | yes | Feb 26 20:23 |
sebsebseb | Flash will be coming to mobile phones this year as well, but not the Iphone | Feb 26 20:24 |
bruce89 | my phone already has it | Feb 26 20:24 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: I think they said there's one that has it, on Click that is | Feb 26 20:25 |
bruce89 | HTC Hero? | Feb 26 20:25 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: what? | Feb 26 20:25 |
bruce89 | is that the one they mentioned? | Feb 26 20:26 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Ender2070_ Click is one of the only British TV shows I watch, yes British TV sucks really, except for documenteries for example. | Feb 26 20:26 |
bruce89 | that's complete crap | Feb 26 20:26 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: that's my opinion, i'll watch the real hustle as well, documenteries and the news sometimes, the rest of British TV I tend to avoide and not watch :) | Feb 26 20:27 |
bruce89 | our news is rather good, comedy is good | Feb 26 20:27 |
bruce89 | the BBC has no adverts, which is nice | Feb 26 20:27 |
sebsebseb | I don't like Comedy with exceptions such as South Park | Feb 26 20:27 |
sebsebseb | and that's American not British | Feb 26 20:27 |
bruce89 | I like comedy with exceptions such as South Park | Feb 26 20:27 |
sebsebseb | Family GUy is ok | Feb 26 20:27 |
sebsebseb | Simpsons is alright | Feb 26 20:27 |
Diablo-D3 | simpsons sucks | Feb 26 20:28 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: our news is rather good, uh what? | Feb 26 20:28 |
Ender2070_ | tv is overrated | Feb 26 20:28 |
Diablo-D3 | it was funny during the first season and thats about it | Feb 26 20:28 |
bruce89 | yes it is | Feb 26 20:28 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: BBC tends to be mainly about polotics | Feb 26 20:28 |
Diablo-D3 | 20 years ago or whatever | Feb 26 20:28 |
bruce89 | compared to American news | Feb 26 20:28 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: pretty boring that | Feb 26 20:28 |
cubezzz | heh | Feb 26 20:28 |
bruce89 | exactly, I love politics | Feb 26 20:28 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: ITV is a bit different | Feb 26 20:28 |
Diablo-D3 | well | Feb 26 20:28 |
cubezzz | 20 years ago, you were how old? :) | Feb 26 20:28 |
Diablo-D3 | its not that politics dominates the news | Feb 26 20:28 |
bruce89 | 0 | Feb 26 20:28 |
Diablo-D3 | its that politics is currently the largest issue to talk about | Feb 26 20:29 |
Diablo-D3 | politics is what fucked up almost everybody's life | Feb 26 20:29 |
sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: heh | Feb 26 20:29 |
Diablo-D3 | so the news talking about politics isnt an issue | Feb 26 20:29 |
Diablo-D3 | it _should_ be talked about | Feb 26 20:29 |
sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: that sounds about right, that polotics has messed up almost everyones life | Feb 26 20:29 |
bruce89 | in fact, I prefer the Channel 4 news, although I haven't watched it for a while | Feb 26 20:29 |
Diablo-D3 | but if I want unbiased political news... eh.... I'll watch the daily show | Feb 26 20:29 |
bruce89 | BBC's sport coverage you should admit is good | Feb 26 20:30 |
Diablo-D3 | now, sports, I dont get why news covers those | Feb 26 20:30 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: well Eurosport has been better for the Olympic sking | Feb 26 20:30 |
cubezzz | sure, everything's a big joke anyway | Feb 26 20:30 |
Diablo-D3 | I mean, its advertising for a company | Feb 26 20:30 |
Diablo-D3 | well, a small number of companies | Feb 26 20:31 |
sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: I guess sports is on the news, becasue it's like the weather, it's what a lot of average people care about | Feb 26 20:31 |
cubezzz | junk food companies sponsor the olympics... | Feb 26 20:31 |
Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: but they shouldnt | Feb 26 20:31 |
Diablo-D3 | thats the problem | Feb 26 20:31 |
bruce89 | what should they cover then> | Feb 26 20:32 |
Diablo-D3 | these people are highly paid morons that work for A COMPANY | Feb 26 20:32 |
Diablo-D3 | a business | Feb 26 20:32 |
Diablo-D3 | sports should be folded into the business segment | Feb 26 20:32 |
Diablo-D3 | since thats all it is | Feb 26 20:32 |
Diablo-D3 | its people bouncing or kicking a ball down a field, court, or whatever | Feb 26 20:32 |
Diablo-D3 | for MONEY | Feb 26 20:32 |
sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: that's true professional sports is about making money, just like commercial music is | Feb 26 20:32 |
Diablo-D3 | they work for a BUSINESS | Feb 26 20:32 |
cubezzz | big money | Feb 26 20:32 |
Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: yes, and does music have a segment in the news? no. | Feb 26 20:32 |
cubezzz | RTE does music on the news | Feb 26 20:33 |
Diablo-D3 | whos rte? | Feb 26 20:33 |
sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: well it might sometimes, I mean celebraties being mentioned | Feb 26 20:33 |
Diablo-D3 | its not a US channel | Feb 26 20:33 |
cubezzz | Irish news | Feb 26 20:33 |
Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: celebraties is a different issue | Feb 26 20:33 |
Diablo-D3 | thats just people being fucking nosy | Feb 26 20:33 |
sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: what? | Feb 26 20:33 |
Diablo-D3 | did I care about some nigger named tiger woods sleeping with women? no | Feb 26 20:33 |
Diablo-D3 | does AAANNNYYYOONNNEEE? | Feb 26 20:33 |
Diablo-D3 | no. | Feb 26 20:33 |
cubezzz | not really :) | Feb 26 20:33 |
Diablo-D3 | am I surprised, knowing hes black, he slept with a bunch of women? no | Feb 26 20:33 |
cubezzz | not in computerland | Feb 26 20:33 |
Diablo-D3 | in fact, it'd be news if he DIDNT | Feb 26 20:33 |
sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: some would say some of what you just put is raceism by the way. | Feb 26 20:34 |
Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: good for them, then they'd be practicing racism. | Feb 26 20:34 |
Diablo-D3 | If you point out racism, you're racist too. | Feb 26 20:34 |
sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: what? | Feb 26 20:34 |
bruce89 | 0 - 10 | Feb 26 20:35 |
Diablo-D3 | You have to have a little bit of that "us vs them" mentality in you to say shit is racist | Feb 26 20:35 |
Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: and btw, the news is racist | Feb 26 20:35 |
cubezzz | call it cultural bias then | Feb 26 20:35 |
sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: the news is raceist? | Feb 26 20:35 |
Diablo-D3 | when was the last time a black girl got kidnapped, raped, and killed, and that was on the news for weeks? | Feb 26 20:35 |
Diablo-D3 | never | Feb 26 20:35 |
Diablo-D3 | but a white chick goes missing? BAM, 24/7 NEWS COVERAGE | Feb 26 20:35 |
Diablo-D3 | so it goes both ways. | Feb 26 20:36 |
Diablo-D3 | I hate you and your kind, no matter your color, creed, or religion. | Feb 26 20:36 |
Diablo-D3 | That doesnt make me racist, it just means I'm pointing out the truth of things. | Feb 26 20:36 |
bruce89 | I don't know if that applies here.. | Feb 26 20:36 |
Diablo-D3 | in short, I can say tiger woods doing that is not surprising as long as I say something about everyone else too | Feb 26 20:37 |
Diablo-D3 | its not racist if I point out everybody's disgusting fuckups too. | Feb 26 20:37 |
Diablo-D3 | And guess what? Us white people have em too | Feb 26 20:37 |
Diablo-D3 | for example | Feb 26 20:37 |
Diablo-D3 | bill gates. | Feb 26 20:37 |
Diablo-D3 | hes white. | Feb 26 20:37 |
cubezzz | he's almost Satan :) | Feb 26 20:37 |
Diablo-D3 | So yes, white people fuck up too. | Feb 26 20:37 |
Diablo-D3 | Go ahead, say I'm racist for insulting white people. | Feb 26 20:38 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Judge talks damages for utterly bogus DMCA complaint by Universal http://is.gd/9gAbv muwAAAAAhahahaha HT @glynmoody | Feb 26 20:38 | |
Diablo-D3 | Go ahead. I dare you. | Feb 26 20:38 |
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FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2010/02/22/bleak-havens/ | Feb 26 20:38 |
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cubezzz | white/bad is merely a broad generalization | Feb 26 20:38 |
cubezzz | black | Feb 26 20:38 |
Diablo-D3 | Yes, especially since you have to be from africa to even call yourself black anymore | Feb 26 20:38 |
FurnaceBoy | it's tribalistic | Feb 26 20:38 |
FurnaceBoy | no matter who does it | Feb 26 20:39 |
Diablo-D3 | Most if not all black people in the US are at least a quarter white | Feb 26 20:39 |
FurnaceBoy | my tribe vs not my tribe | Feb 26 20:39 |
Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: its us vs them mentality | Feb 26 20:39 |
cubezzz | it's just stupid anyways | Feb 26 20:39 |
bruce89 | the curse of the discontinous mind | Feb 26 20:39 |
Diablo-D3 | I already brought it up | Feb 26 20:39 |
FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: yes | Feb 26 20:39 |
Diablo-D3 | But I practice a much more efficient version | Feb 26 20:39 |
FurnaceBoy | bruce89: well put | Feb 26 20:39 |
Diablo-D3 | me vs all you motherfuckers out there. | Feb 26 20:39 |
bruce89 | "colour" is a continuous spectrum | Feb 26 20:39 |
bruce89 | FurnaceBoy: nah, that's Richard Dawkins I think | Feb 26 20:39 |
Diablo-D3 | but hey, lets rewind a bit | Feb 26 20:40 |
Diablo-D3 | you know why I like the US so much? | Feb 26 20:40 |
Diablo-D3 | we have the daily show | Feb 26 20:40 |
Diablo-D3 | an entire show dedicated to how much the mass media sucks dongs. | Feb 26 20:40 |
FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: not much else going for it hehe | Feb 26 20:40 |
Ender2070_ | the daily show is awesome | Feb 26 20:40 |
Diablo-D3 | at least we admit it. | Feb 26 20:40 |
FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: these kinds of shows are not unknown overseas. | Feb 26 20:40 |
Diablo-D3 | what about you silly europeans and your silly BBCs and shit? | Feb 26 20:40 |
FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: Australian ABC has had media watch for decades | Feb 26 20:40 |
bruce89 | bunch of cheats Wales | Feb 26 20:41 |
Ender2070_ | canada has several | Feb 26 20:41 |
FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: and I 'm pretty sure the BBC has similar shows | Feb 26 20:41 |
sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: Well we got the BBC's Panorma here for example, which is meant to tell people the truth about stuff that is going on | Feb 26 20:41 |
Ender2070_ | This Hour has 22 Minutes, Royal Canadian Air Farce | Feb 26 20:41 |
FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: you shouldn't assume we don't criticise our media :) | Feb 26 20:41 |
bruce89 | the Daily Show is well known here | Feb 26 20:41 |
sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: Panorama I spelt that wrong | Feb 26 20:41 |
Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: so a bbc show that says... bbc news lies? | Feb 26 20:41 |
Diablo-D3 | sounds like a conflict of interest. | Feb 26 20:41 |
cubezzz | don't forget Rick Mercer :) | Feb 26 20:41 |
FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: yes, media criticism isn't confined to Jon Stewart. | Feb 26 20:41 |
Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: of course its not | Feb 26 20:41 |
FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: Charlie Brooker is doing a pretty good job... | Feb 26 20:42 |
Diablo-D3 | Infact, Im waiting for them to offer me a show | Feb 26 20:42 |
Diablo-D3 | :D | Feb 26 20:42 |
Ender2070_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhTZ_tgMUdo | Feb 26 20:42 |
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FurnaceBoy | ^^ that monbiot link above is really a good read. as usual. | Feb 26 20:43 |
bruce89 | all right, we'll both agree to not criticise each others' media | Feb 26 20:43 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] My dad is quite ill. (Old age, basically.) I may need to fly to Perth at short notice. Awaiting more news. | Feb 26 20:45 | |
sebsebseb | bruce89: no they put nearly whatever they want in here | Feb 26 20:45 |
sebsebseb | or they do put whatever they want in here | Feb 26 20:45 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: so if they want to say UK media sucks or something like that, well that's what they will do | Feb 26 20:45 |
bruce89 | 0 - 13 | Feb 26 20:45 |
cubezzz | well the news editor decides what story to run I believe | Feb 26 20:46 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: no one in here cares except for ianto, but he's in that other channel anyway | Feb 26 20:46 |
cubezzz | re: your comment about missing women, you would have to blame the news editor | Feb 26 20:47 |
ianto | I'm in many channels, sebastian | Feb 26 20:47 |
cubezzz | why do guys kill women so often anyway? | Feb 26 20:48 |
sebsebseb | ianto: Full first names aye, Christopher? | Feb 26 20:48 |
ianto | cubezzz: Easy targets, like homeless people | Feb 26 20:49 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: they do? | Feb 26 20:50 |
FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: around here we don't have many killings | Feb 26 20:50 |
cubezzz | it seems that way from the news | Feb 26 20:50 |
FurnaceBoy | who watches the news? | Feb 26 20:50 |
cubezzz | guys are just violent | Feb 26 20:50 |
FurnaceBoy | if you watch teh news, you believe society is 24/7 crime | Feb 26 20:50 |
bruce89 | FurnaceBoy: me | Feb 26 20:50 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: women can be violent as well | Feb 26 20:50 |
FurnaceBoy | bruce89: on tv? | Feb 26 20:51 |
cubezzz | I guess | Feb 26 20:51 |
bruce89 | yes, the Scottish news is mostly murders and so on | Feb 26 20:51 |
FurnaceBoy | bruce89: same everywhere. | Feb 26 20:51 |
FurnaceBoy | bruce89: tabloidism | Feb 26 20:51 |
FurnaceBoy | bruce89: it's got this way over the past few decades | Feb 26 20:51 |
ianto | Men are no more violent than women btw. | Feb 26 20:51 |
bruce89 | the British news is just stories of no interest to people with brains | Feb 26 20:51 |
bruce89 | well, BBC 6 o'clock | Feb 26 20:51 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: Why do you watch it then? | Feb 26 20:51 |
FurnaceBoy | bruce89: i don't have a tv; no interest whatsoever | Feb 26 20:51 |
ianto | bruce89: Welsh referendum is of interest! | Feb 26 20:51 |
bruce89 | true, the politics is | Feb 26 20:52 |
cubezzz | I have a TV card :) | Feb 26 20:52 |
bruce89 | but the endless entertainment news | Feb 26 20:52 |
ianto | WHo's Jordan fucking this week then? :( | Feb 26 20:52 |
bruce89 | like on Monday, the main story was "Tiger Woods speaks" | Feb 26 20:52 |
ianto | Really? | Feb 26 20:52 |
*ianto hasnt seen TV in ages | Feb 26 20:52 | |
cubezzz | don't forget that Wilt died :) | Feb 26 20:53 |
cubezzz | he finally stopped bragging about how many women he had | Feb 26 20:53 |
cubezzz | yeah TV can be pretty lame | Feb 26 20:53 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Who's Wilt? | Feb 26 20:53 |
ianto | cubezzz: Any particular reason you reference to "women" in every topic I've seen you talk about so far? | Feb 26 20:54 |
cubezzz | ianto, you're very muc mistaken | Feb 26 20:54 |
cubezzz | I've talked about tons of different things | Feb 26 20:54 |
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FurnaceBoy | who has *time* for tv | Feb 26 20:55 |
FurnaceBoy | i don't have time to shave, let alone that | Feb 26 20:55 |
*sebsebseb has time for TV | Feb 26 20:55 | |
FurnaceBoy | how? | Feb 26 20:55 |
bruce89 | BBC 1 BBC 1 BBC 1 | Feb 26 20:55 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: unemployeed | Feb 26 20:55 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: and so on | Feb 26 20:55 |
FurnaceBoy | hm, yes that would be a reason :( | Feb 26 20:55 |
FurnaceBoy | sorry to hear that | Feb 26 20:55 |
FurnaceBoy | (assuming you'd prefer to be employed ;) | Feb 26 20:56 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: I think that would depend on the job, and the people I would be working with. | Feb 26 20:56 |
FurnaceBoy | yeah | Feb 26 20:56 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: anyway most people with full time jobs, also watch at least some TV these days I guess. | Feb 26 20:57 |
bruce89 | 0 - 21 | Feb 26 20:57 |
*sebsebseb wants to work for Microsoft | Feb 26 20:57 | |
bruce89 | oops, I mean 0 - 20 | Feb 26 20:57 |
ianto | sebsebseb: Pam? Beth? Sut? | Feb 26 20:57 |
sebsebseb | ianto: what? | Feb 26 20:57 |
ianto | What? Why? How? | Feb 26 20:58 |
*sebsebseb wants to work for Microsoft and then try and get loads of open source projects closed down | Feb 26 20:58 | |
*sebsebseb hates Linux and all this now | Feb 26 20:58 | |
ianto | Good luck | Feb 26 20:58 |
bruce89 | we call that baiting | Feb 26 20:58 |
sebsebseb | I think it didn't really work stuff I just put, since people know I am jokeing | Feb 26 20:59 |
*ianto wants to work for the Welsh Language Board to anihilate the English language | Feb 26 20:59 | |
bruce89 | ianto: I can believe that | Feb 26 20:59 |
bruce89 | you have to get your lies right, ianto did | Feb 26 20:59 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: me? | Feb 26 21:00 |
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bruce89 | good grief, a reencode of a theora thing that was ~80MB is now 276 | Feb 26 21:04 |
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Omar87 | Hi all | Feb 26 21:10 |
bruce89 | Lo | Feb 26 21:10 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: :) | Feb 26 21:11 |
FurnaceBoy | Omar87: ola | Feb 26 21:11 |
bruce89 | ha, Wales were good there, but then passed it into the air | Feb 26 21:11 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: i guess most people do, but i have wayyy too many other things competing for my time | Feb 26 21:11 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: maintaining open source projects , mostly | Feb 26 21:12 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: and a whole lot of things i'd like to do but don't have time for :( | Feb 26 21:12 |
FurnaceBoy | oh well. i said that already. :-) | Feb 26 21:12 |
FurnaceBoy | Omar87: how 's life? | Feb 26 21:12 |
Omar87 | FurnaceBoy, pretty good! All thanks and praises to God. :) | Feb 26 21:13 |
Omar87 | You? | Feb 26 21:13 |
FurnaceBoy | Omar87: can't complain | Feb 26 21:13 |
Omar87 | about what? | Feb 26 21:13 |
FurnaceBoy | it's an expression -- | Feb 26 21:13 |
FurnaceBoy | means , "doing ok" | Feb 26 21:14 |
FurnaceBoy | "no complaints" | Feb 26 21:14 |
Omar87 | I know. :-) | Feb 26 21:14 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: open source projects such as> | Feb 26 21:14 |
sebsebseb | ? | Feb 26 21:14 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: mine | Feb 26 21:14 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: Which is? | Feb 26 21:14 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: but i'd like to help out a couple of non-mine | Feb 26 21:14 |
sebsebseb | Such as? | Feb 26 21:14 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: most of mine are at http://telegraphics.com.au/sw/ , but I have pending work to do for GraphicsMagick and some others. I'd like to help out http://firebirdsql.org , their site sucks | Feb 26 21:15 |
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FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: been doing a few user support requests for my stuff. Adobe keeps releasing new incompatible photoshop runtimes... never ending race to keep up :) | Feb 26 21:16 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: a guy wrote to me last week with a specific problem he wanted solved | Feb 26 21:16 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: by a plugin | Feb 26 21:16 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: usually this is pro-bono work | Feb 26 21:17 |
FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: and it ends up GPL | Feb 26 21:17 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Software Patents Plot Adds #Panasonic; IV Critics Still React http://ur1.ca/nov2 #swpat | Feb 26 21:18 | |
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bruce89 | 6 - 30 | Feb 26 21:18 |
bruce89 | sorry, 6 - 20 | Feb 26 21:18 |
bruce89 | bugger | Feb 26 21:31 |
bruce89 | 13 - 20 | Feb 26 21:31 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: What pointless stuff to have in a publically logged channel, in those logs. | Feb 26 21:32 |
bruce89 | you can talk | Feb 26 21:33 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/26/bbc_axe_6music_asian_network_says_report/ | Feb 26 21:34 |
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schestowitz | " | Feb 26 21:34 |
schestowitz | The BBC reportedly plans to axe its 6 Music and Asian Network radio stations, cull 50 per cent of its websites and reduce spending on American TV shows next month. | Feb 26 21:34 |
schestowitz | According to a story in today’s Times, which cites BBC Trust sources, Beeb director-general Mark Thompson will admit in March that the Corporation is bloated and needs to trim down its services to allow commercial rivals to compete. | Feb 26 21:34 |
schestowitz | " | Feb 26 21:34 |
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schestowitz | MSBBC....... downsizing | Feb 26 21:34 |
schestowitz | " According to a story in today’s Times, which cites BBC Trust sources" | Feb 26 21:35 |
schestowitz | Oh... Murdoch seems to be cheering | Feb 26 21:35 |
schestowitz | More prodding for the Military Industrial Complex then | Feb 26 21:35 |
aurium | schestowitz, i think you will like: http://softwarelivre.org/aurium/blog/mono-the-trojan | Feb 26 21:35 |
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sebsebseb | aurium: Are you that French guy? | Feb 26 21:35 |
aurium | French? No. but that is my blog. | Feb 26 21:36 |
schestowitz | *LOL* | Feb 26 21:36 |
schestowitz | aurium: how new is it? | Feb 26 21:36 |
sebsebseb | aurium: A guy with a similar name came to this other channel before | Feb 26 21:36 |
schestowitz | Can I reuse the image with a link to it? | Feb 26 21:37 |
aurium | schestowitz, i have published some minutes ago | Feb 26 21:37 |
schestowitz | I can use the image and link to the post | Feb 26 21:37 |
schestowitz | Would that be OK? | Feb 26 21:37 |
aurium | Ok! Anyone can/may use the image. :-) | Feb 26 21:38 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Thanks to the awesome work of DeeJay1 Acire is now available to be translated - translators...roll out: http://is.gd/9gQ9m #ubuntu #acire | Feb 26 21:47 | |
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DaemonFC | http://forum.zomgstuff.net/showthread.php?t=21496 | Feb 26 21:48 |
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schestowitz | aurium: thanks! | Feb 26 21:54 |
aurium | schestowitz, you are welcome. I like your posts! | Feb 26 21:55 |
sebsebseb | ianto: http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010022500535OPBZSW | Feb 26 22:00 |
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schestowitz | aurium: thanks. | Feb 26 22:02 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: spend more time on the Guardian and less on zomgstuff.net :) | Feb 26 22:02 |
ender2070_ | kdenlive owns | Feb 26 22:04 |
sebsebseb | jono Edubuntu would benefit off this http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010022500835OSDTSW | Feb 26 22:09 |
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bruce89 | that was a close one | Feb 26 22:09 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 I assume you meant the game, what was the score? | Feb 26 22:09 |
sebsebseb | also what sport was it Rugby? | Feb 26 22:10 |
bruce89 | 26 - 20 | Feb 26 22:10 |
bruce89 | for France thankfully | Feb 26 22:10 |
sebsebseb | right that does not really mean anything to me, France beat Wales? | Feb 26 22:10 |
DaemonFC | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-13-Alpha-delayed-941968.html | Feb 26 22:10 |
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ender2070_ | Yes | Feb 26 22:10 |
ender2070_ | however | Feb 26 22:10 |
ender2070_ | its not a bad thing | Feb 26 22:10 |
bruce89 | sebsebseb: hopefully you can tell that 26 > 20 | Feb 26 22:11 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, What is it with both the left and the right insisting on goodfact over realfact? | Feb 26 22:11 |
ender2070_ | they are still pushing for new features | Feb 26 22:11 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Like what? | Feb 26 22:12 |
DaemonFC | I haven't seen a new Mesa pop up on Koji since the 17th | Feb 26 22:12 |
sebsebseb | http://blog.sucuri.net/2010/02/godaddy-store-your-passwords-in-clear.html | Feb 26 22:12 |
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DaemonFC | when will those start being built again? | Feb 26 22:13 |
ender2070_ | I know the KDE people were talking about KDevelop, Koffice, k3b | Feb 26 22:13 |
ender2070_ | kdevelop will be finished around the release of F13 | Feb 26 22:13 |
bruce89 | Fedora seems to delay stuff quite a bit often | Feb 26 22:15 |
bruce89 | http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/sport1/hi/rugby_union/8539542.stm | Feb 26 22:15 |
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ender2070_ | yeah but for good reasons | Feb 26 22:15 |
ender2070_ | F12 was delayed one week | Feb 26 22:15 |
bruce89 | of course, I didn't suggest anything but | Feb 26 22:15 |
ender2070_ | they tend to do this because they want to get as much as they can in | Feb 26 22:16 |
ender2070_ | ubuntu on the other hand will release on a specific date even if that means taking things out or sticking with older versions | Feb 26 22:16 |
bruce89 | I see; I think that Fedora has the better process based on what you say | Feb 26 22:17 |
ender2070_ | yeah | Feb 26 22:17 |
ender2070_ | I like them because they tend to have the latest stuff | Feb 26 22:18 |
schestowitz | *LOL* http://abh-news.com/the-amazon-kindle-under-the-thumb-of-microsoft-1607.html "Remember that Linux accuses Microsoft of violating some of its intellectual property (up to 235 patents) and threatens to prosecute companies that use open source solutions (and who, in response, urged the creation of the Open Invention Network). Microsoft intends to clarify a legal limbo in its ecosystem with its licensing program." | Feb 26 22:18 |
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ender2070_ | brb | Feb 26 22:19 |
schestowitz | "Linux accuses Microsoft of violating some of its intellectual property " :=_ | Feb 26 22:19 |
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bruce89 | nice | Feb 26 22:20 |
DaemonFC | the install media is still flaky and failing | Feb 26 22:20 |
DaemonFC | as of RC4 | Feb 26 22:21 |
DaemonFC | (today) | Feb 26 22:21 |
DaemonFC | not surprising that they're holding it back when it fails making ext4 partitions | Feb 26 22:21 |
bruce89 | ah | Feb 26 22:22 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 schestowitz DaemonFC I am catchin up on Linux news and that at the moment, anyway this is a good one http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/feb/23/opensource-intellectual-property | Feb 26 22:24 |
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bruce89 | och, read it | Feb 26 22:24 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 I think I saw it there other day on Linux Today and didn't read or whatever it was yeah | Feb 26 22:24 |
DaemonFC | it would be nice if they did go up to Microsoft with a settlement offer | Feb 26 22:24 |
DaemonFC | why don't they? | Feb 26 22:25 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 26 22:25 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Anyone in the UK running Ubuntu Lucid, can you confirm this bug? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/528728 | Feb 26 22:25 | |
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sebsebseb | bruce89 hrm at peopeys notice, without going on the link, I assume it's for that BBC content in totem | Feb 26 22:25 |
bruce89 | you're correct | Feb 26 22:25 |
bruce89 | I've commented on it | Feb 26 22:29 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Tired. This has been a loooooong week. | Feb 26 22:30 | |
sebsebseb | http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010022401735OSCY | Feb 26 22:34 |
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sebsebseb | OpenSuse as a server hrm | Feb 26 22:35 |
sebsebseb | the comment on Linux Today | Feb 26 22:35 |
bruce89 | why not? | Feb 26 22:35 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 Not that sure, I guess ask the anti Suse people in here :D | Feb 26 22:35 |
sebsebseb | that same person also uses PC Linux OS | Feb 26 22:37 |
sebsebseb | according to the comment | Feb 26 22:37 |
sebsebseb | not that many people use that one these days I guess | Feb 26 22:37 |
bruce89 | not many people use that one that you did | Feb 26 22:37 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 quite a lot of people use Mandriva :) | Feb 26 22:38 |
bruce89 | no, that weird one | Feb 26 22:38 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 what? | Feb 26 22:38 |
bruce89 | hang on | Feb 26 22:39 |
sebsebseb | maybe your thinking of VectorLinux | Feb 26 22:39 |
sebsebseb | at some stage I did put on IRC that I might put that on as a host, or something like that I put | Feb 26 22:39 |
sebsebseb | Did I? nope | Feb 26 22:39 |
bruce89 | vector, that's it | Feb 26 22:39 |
sebsebseb | that Live CD ISO I got was fun to vm | Feb 26 22:40 |
sebsebseb | as for actsaul later vectorlinux I had issues in vm | Feb 26 22:40 |
sebsebseb | so didn't get that far | Feb 26 22:40 |
bruce89 | virtual machines are trouble | Feb 26 22:40 |
sebsebseb | also Wolvix is probably about as known as VectorLinux and that goblin quite liked that one | Feb 26 22:41 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 apparantly VMware player has improved a lot since I last tried it about three years ago | Feb 26 22:41 |
sebsebseb | also something about how VMware server is now web based or whatever | Feb 26 22:41 |
*bruce89 is surprised you use vmware | Feb 26 22:42 | |
sebsebseb | I have used VMware in the past | Feb 26 22:42 |
sebsebseb | before Virtualbox | Feb 26 22:42 |
*FurnaceBoy uses virtualbox | Feb 26 22:42 | |
sebsebseb | well I think when I was doing VMware, Virtualbox didn't exist or whatever | Feb 26 22:42 |
sebsebseb | or wasn't that popular yet | Feb 26 22:42 |
FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 26 22:43 |
sebsebseb | anyway it seems that VMware player might be faster for vm's than Virtualbox now | Feb 26 22:43 |
DaemonFC | http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3867471/Novell+Linux+Breaks+Even+Microsoft+Deal+Slumps.htm | Feb 26 22:43 |
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sebsebseb | bruce89 suprised since you thought I was useing vmware? or suprised that I have used in past? or well both? and why? | Feb 26 22:44 |
DaemonFC | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/features/article.php/3867456/Novell-Linux-Breaks-Even-as-Microsoft-Deal-Revenues-Wane.htm | Feb 26 22:44 |
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DaemonFC | so the Microsoft deal isn't making them money | Feb 26 22:45 |
DaemonFC | in fact, the only things making them money are other unrelated things Novell is doing | Feb 26 22:45 |
DaemonFC | Why don't they just get out now? It's already been shown not to work. | Feb 26 22:46 |
bruce89 | sebsebseb: well, you spout FOSSisms, so using a non-free thing seems odd | Feb 26 22:47 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 sometimes I use closed source software | Feb 26 22:47 |
sebsebseb | Sometimes I use Mono software, this is something I have mentioned before. Well I like Banshee for now. Something similar or much better could of been made with something else though. | Feb 26 22:49 |
sebsebseb | mentioned before in here above | Feb 26 22:49 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 when it comes to music sure open formats with proper quality would be nice really, but doesn't really bother me if I am playing MP3's for example | Feb 26 22:50 |
sebsebseb | I am not 100% pure free software, if I was there would be quite a few things I coudn't do, that I want to do. | Feb 26 22:51 |
sebsebseb | 100% free software only above | Feb 26 22:51 |
bruce89 | I know, but it seems odd that when you consider what you say | Feb 26 22:51 |
DaemonFC | Mono is free software, the problem is that patents can be infringed by free software | Feb 26 22:53 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 What I say such as? | Feb 26 22:53 |
sebsebseb | well yeah DaemonFC | Feb 26 22:53 |
bruce89 | I'm pretty sure you've done that sort of thing | Feb 26 22:54 |
bruce89 | so much so, I can't actually remember | Feb 26 22:54 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, I doublt anyone would accuse a free C implementation of infringement, or Rhythmbox | Feb 26 22:54 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 26 22:54 |
DaemonFC | *doubt | Feb 26 22:54 |
DaemonFC | Vala seems better for people that want to go with C# | Feb 26 22:54 |
bruce89 | http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/26/facebook_patents_news_feed/ | Feb 26 22:55 |
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DaemonFC | Vala is just a superset of C | Feb 26 22:55 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC ok I don't really understand, since I don't know that much about proggramming | Feb 26 22:55 |
DaemonFC | Vala compiles to C which compiles into a program that only needs the standard C libraries | Feb 26 22:55 |
sebsebseb | right ok | Feb 26 22:56 |
bruce89 | I look forward to the day when vala can make use of gobject-introspection | Feb 26 22:56 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vala_%28programming_language%29 | Feb 26 22:56 |
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bruce89 | it's a pretty syntax on top of GObject-using C | Feb 26 22:56 |
DaemonFC | Vala is supposed to have a very C#-ish style, but it compiles down to C | Feb 26 22:57 |
DaemonFC | it doesn't need anything like Mono | Feb 26 22:57 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Feb 26 22:57 |
bruce89 | I used to use it a wee bit, but went back to C | Feb 26 22:58 |
DaemonFC | bruce89, So Vala could be thought of as an interpreter that spits out C source code that can be compiled into native code with gcc (or other C compilers) | Feb 26 22:58 |
DaemonFC | right? | Feb 26 22:59 |
DaemonFC | so it makes me wonder why anyone would defend using C# just because they like the syntax better | Feb 26 22:59 |
bruce89 | exactly | Feb 26 22:59 |
bruce89 | basically a preprocessor | Feb 26 22:59 |
DaemonFC | it seems like Vala on top of C would be more powerful and less demanding of resources in the finished program than C# | Feb 26 23:01 |
DaemonFC | so what's the problem? | Feb 26 23:01 |
bruce89 | build tools and bindings I think | Feb 26 23:01 |
bruce89 | I have no idea what you're on about sebsebseb | Feb 26 23:03 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 This again, replying in wrong channel, and Diablo-D3 thing from earlier | Feb 26 23:03 |
bruce89 | the Wales game has pushed that memory out my head | Feb 26 23:04 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Acire 0.3 Released! http://is.gd/9h7X8 Browse, run and learn from Python examples easily. :-) #python #ubuntu #opportunisticdevelopers | Feb 26 23:05 | |
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FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's not really about performance... | Feb 26 23:07 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the CLR is fast enough. the elephant in the room with C# is lock-in | Feb 26 23:07 |
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DaemonFC | so what is there using Mono that's real important? | Feb 26 23:07 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @tomibbotson: #shotofjaq Created the shot of jaq wave gadget, see it at the public shot of jaq wave: http://bit.ly/d5Xsxe -- sweet! :-) | Feb 26 23:08 | |
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sebsebseb | http://www.junauza.com/2010/02/worlds-funniest-computer-pictures.html | Feb 26 23:08 |
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DaemonFC | other than Novell trying to push it by writing Mono replacements for stuff that already exists and works well | Feb 26 23:08 |
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_goblin | Hi all | Feb 26 23:09 |
_goblin | another day, another dollar | Feb 26 23:09 |
sebsebseb | _goblin another pound you mean? Since your from UK | Feb 26 23:09 |
sebsebseb | ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££ | Feb 26 23:09 |
_goblin | sebsebseb, EU dollar? we'll have them soon....mark my words | Feb 26 23:09 |
sebsebseb | _goblin Uh not sure about that, and Euro already exists | Feb 26 23:10 |
_goblin | yeah I bet we will have em eventually. | Feb 26 23:10 |
sebsebseb | _goblin Have you ever used VectorLinux? | Feb 26 23:11 |
DaemonFC | $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | Feb 26 23:11 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££ | Feb 26 23:11 |
_goblin | sebsebseb: yep...think so... | Feb 26 23:11 |
_goblin | let me check | Feb 26 23:11 |
DaemonFC | you are pounding me? | Feb 26 23:11 |
DaemonFC | I didn't know you felt that way :P | Feb 26 23:11 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC uh? | Feb 26 23:11 |
_goblin | yeah I have | Feb 26 23:11 |
bruce89 | hopefully | Feb 26 23:12 |
sebsebseb | _goblin bruce89 thinks VectorLinux is some weird not that known distro | Feb 26 23:12 |
_goblin | I think it rates quite high on distrowatch. | Feb 26 23:12 |
_goblin | yeah it does | Feb 26 23:12 |
_goblin | number 21 | Feb 26 23:12 |
ender2070 | vector is slackware | Feb 26 23:12 |
_goblin | Its above #!CBL | Feb 26 23:13 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC I think I over did the pounds there, since my line is way longer than your doller line | Feb 26 23:13 |
_goblin | and even Xubuntu. | Feb 26 23:13 |
_goblin | Im migrating my main rig to Elive. | Feb 26 23:13 |
DaemonFC | seems vectorlinux is x86 32-bit only | Feb 26 23:14 |
_goblin | and finally ending my affair with Wolvix. | Feb 26 23:14 |
sebsebseb | ender2070 yep it's based on Slackware that's what I told bruce89 and someone else before, but they still thought odd distro | Feb 26 23:14 |
DaemonFC | not worth looking at | Feb 26 23:14 |
_goblin | DaemonFC what because its 32bit only? My main rig is 32bit. | Feb 26 23:14 |
DaemonFC | _goblin, If you only have an old 32-bit CPU and under 4 gigs of RAM, go for it | Feb 26 23:14 |
_goblin | thats the idea.... | Feb 26 23:15 |
bruce89 | I don't mind which distro you use, it's not my problem | Feb 26 23:15 |
_goblin | thanks. | Feb 26 23:15 |
_goblin | moving on..... | Feb 26 23:15 |
DaemonFC | no, I think it would be totally inappropriate for this machine. It would boot, but I'd only have 2.8 GB of RAM | Feb 26 23:15 |
_goblin | Vector Linux is decent enough....I just don't like KDE | Feb 26 23:16 |
DaemonFC | wouldn't make any sense for me to try it | Feb 26 23:16 |
_goblin | Enlightenment is rapidly becoming my DE of choice. | Feb 26 23:16 |
ender2070 | vector is for older pc's | Feb 26 23:17 |
ender2070 | afaik | Feb 26 23:17 |
ender2070 | when I tried it years ago it came with IceWM | Feb 26 23:17 |
DaemonFC | distributions that are x86 32-bit only seem to only care about PCs sold before 2005 | Feb 26 23:18 |
DaemonFC | earlier I remember you saying that people that have 3dfx cards and need the Glide stuff being ripped out of Mesa should go die in a fire | Feb 26 23:18 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 26 23:18 |
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DaemonFC | What do you think is a reasonable amount of time to keep a PC? | Feb 26 23:18 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Fun Little Acire Story - http://is.gd/9haN1 - always nice to have tools to help us help others. :-) #acire #ubuntu #opportunisticdevelopers | Feb 26 23:19 | |
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ender2070 | 5 years | Feb 26 23:19 |
_goblin | .....who has heard of............. | Feb 26 23:19 |
_goblin | Axxo | Feb 26 23:19 |
_goblin | ? | Feb 26 23:19 |
ender2070 | longer if it was the best hardware upon release | Feb 26 23:20 |
ender2070 | but i expect upgrades during that | Feb 26 23:20 |
_goblin | I take it nobody then.....oh well, that chain of conversation brought to a halt. | Feb 26 23:21 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: until it can't do what you want | Feb 26 23:21 |
ender2070 | Axxo? wasn't that some cracker group | Feb 26 23:21 |
_goblin | a single person.... | Feb 26 23:21 |
_goblin | been looking at a few posts about him/her | Feb 26 23:22 |
_goblin | why do people hold him/her in such high regard when all he/she does is encode DVD's to xvid and then stick em on tracker......why is that so great? | Feb 26 23:22 |
ender2070 | ohhh him | Feb 26 23:22 |
ender2070 | he does a good job i've heard | Feb 26 23:22 |
FurnaceBoy | _goblin: dunno. i'm not sure what all the fuss is about tiger woods either :) | Feb 26 23:22 |
_goblin | tiger who? | Feb 26 23:22 |
ender2070 | that and he seems to get access to everything | Feb 26 23:22 |
FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 26 23:22 |
DaemonFC | http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/blogs/postblog/2010/02/emergency-shipment-of-condoms-headed-to-olympic-athletes.html | Feb 26 23:22 |
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ender2070 | Axxo wasn Canadian too wasn't he? | Feb 26 23:23 |
DaemonFC | Canada thinks its citizens are too dumb to understand a public safety message | Feb 26 23:23 |
DaemonFC | :D | Feb 26 23:23 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: at least we can still afford to make PSA's :) | Feb 26 23:23 |
DaemonFC | zomg!!! Bring the condoms in by helicopter!!! | Feb 26 23:23 |
_goblin | don't know, there is a mystery surrounding him/her...thats what interested me...not his dodgy DVD rips which anyone could do. | Feb 26 23:23 |
FurnaceBoy | a mystique ! | Feb 26 23:23 |
DaemonFC | The athletes are using them faster than we can keep up!!! | Feb 26 23:23 |
DaemonFC | ZOMG!!!! | Feb 26 23:24 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, There are PSAs here for every fucking thing | Feb 26 23:24 |
DaemonFC | they come on late at night and talk about alcoholism, domestic abuse | Feb 26 23:25 |
DaemonFC | child abuse | Feb 26 23:25 |
DaemonFC | smoking | Feb 26 23:25 |
DaemonFC | drinking | Feb 26 23:25 |
DaemonFC | and marijuana | Feb 26 23:25 |
DaemonFC | mainly affects the local channels though | Feb 26 23:25 |
DaemonFC | can't talk about condoms though, that would piss off the fundies | Feb 26 23:26 |
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DaemonFC | have to make it a generic "HIV" PSA | Feb 26 23:26 |
_goblin | bring back series three of the Tripods. | Feb 26 23:26 |
ender2070 | _goblin - whats so mysterious about ripping the most dvds and posting them online | Feb 26 23:26 |
DaemonFC | HIV is out there, but we won't tell you what to do to prevent it! | Feb 26 23:26 |
_goblin | because he disapeared, re-appeared and has been faked so many times..... | Feb 26 23:26 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: bankrupt states stop making PSAs -- you're safe soon | Feb 26 23:26 |
_goblin | he is like a digital robin hood. | Feb 26 23:26 |
FurnaceBoy | _goblin: yep | Feb 26 23:27 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, No, the PSAs have only gone up | Feb 26 23:27 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: weird | Feb 26 23:27 |
DaemonFC | and the state is not broke | Feb 26 23:27 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that stuff costs money | Feb 26 23:27 |
ender2070 | _goblin - sort of, crackers sometimes become infamous, mafiaboy, kevin mitnick, etc | Feb 26 23:27 |
_goblin | although he's not really....He's simply a button pusher who can get his hands on DVD's on release day.... | Feb 26 23:27 |
FurnaceBoy | _goblin: there's a long tradition as ender2070 says | Feb 26 23:27 |
DaemonFC | Indiana has a surplus from cutting mostly poverty assistance programs | Feb 26 23:27 |
FurnaceBoy | _goblin: dates back to BBS days and phreaking .. Cap'n Crunch | Feb 26 23:27 |
DaemonFC | and we use them to make PSAs about marijuana and Osama Bin Laden | Feb 26 23:27 |
FurnaceBoy | Mitnick is still a household name | Feb 26 23:27 |
_goblin | btw I had some time to research him quite a bit.....very easy to track down..... | Feb 26 23:28 |
ender2070 | _goblin - if hes canadian he probably just works at Rogers Video, they give unlimited rentals to employees | Feb 26 23:28 |
_goblin | his home is on a forum called "Darksider RG" | Feb 26 23:28 |
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_goblin | and they worship him like a god. | Feb 26 23:28 |
ender2070 | yeah | Feb 26 23:28 |
ender2070 | they're all teenagers I bet | Feb 26 23:28 |
_goblin | I would hope so...... | Feb 26 23:28 |
_goblin | I would hope adults would know better. | Feb 26 23:29 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 26 23:29 |
ender2070 | yeah I would avoid all that shit | Feb 26 23:29 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, The real "public looting" is having to bail out other states who squandered their money when we have surpluses | Feb 26 23:29 |
ender2070 | expecially forums | Feb 26 23:29 |
ender2070 | especially* | Feb 26 23:29 |
DaemonFC | Rewards incompetence and stupidity | Feb 26 23:29 |
DaemonFC | sends the wrong message | Feb 26 23:29 |
ender2070 | sounds like it would just be a bullseye for law enforcement | Feb 26 23:30 |
_goblin | yeah....Im simply interested to see what sort of people think that Axxo is a "cracker" or "l33t" when in my day to be either you actually needed skill. | Feb 26 23:30 |
DaemonFC | Oh, Indiana managed to not go into debt? Well here, we'll steal your $2 billion and redistribute it to California. | Feb 26 23:30 |
DaemonFC | More of them voted for Obama anyway, so hmmmph!!! | Feb 26 23:30 |
_goblin | Sarah Palin is a fine looking lady. | Feb 26 23:31 |
ender2070 | _goblin - he might be put on a pedistool because other people make worse rips | Feb 26 23:31 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, The bailouts and stimulus are going to places that voted for Obama before anything else | Feb 26 23:31 |
DaemonFC | Indiana saves money, Indiana doesn't get "stimulus" | Feb 26 23:31 |
DaemonFC | Indiana clearly should have lit all of its money on fire like the other states | Feb 26 23:32 |
_goblin | ender2070: I suppose, but then if someone has difficulty mastering the software to encode a DVD then one has to question if they should be left alone on a PC at all. | Feb 26 23:32 |
ender2070 | _goblin - im not sure if its even newsworthy, nobody with real brains thinks the guy is a genius or anything | Feb 26 23:32 |
_goblin | ender2070: No its certainly not newsworthy....I was just interested. | Feb 26 23:32 |
sebsebseb | Well this goes with that Guardian link I gave earlier from the other day http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010022403035NWBZ | Feb 26 23:32 |
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DaemonFC | _goblin, someone should really disappear her | Feb 26 23:32 |
_goblin | DaemonFC: who Sarah? | Feb 26 23:32 |
DaemonFC | or suicide her | Feb 26 23:33 |
DaemonFC | drug overdose maybe | Feb 26 23:33 |
DaemonFC | yeah, Palin | Feb 26 23:33 |
_goblin | how can you suicide her? that would be murder. | Feb 26 23:33 |
DaemonFC | no, it's not murder | Feb 26 23:33 |
_goblin | suicide is a personal choice is it not? | Feb 26 23:33 |
DaemonFC | it's suiciding her | Feb 26 23:33 |
_goblin | I suppose you could ask her. | Feb 26 23:33 |
FurnaceBoy | beg | Feb 26 23:33 |
DaemonFC | Marilyn Monroe was suicided, not murdered | Feb 26 23:33 |
bruce89 | well, that's the question isn't it | Feb 26 23:33 |
_goblin | really? | Feb 26 23:33 |
DaemonFC | there's your example | Feb 26 23:33 |
_goblin | how was that then DaemonFC | Feb 26 23:34 |
bruce89 | this whole euthenasia thing | Feb 26 23:34 |
DaemonFC | _goblin, suicided means that you're murdered in a way that will be determined to have been a suicide | Feb 26 23:34 |
DaemonFC | fall down the stairs | Feb 26 23:34 |
DaemonFC | slip in the shower | Feb 26 23:34 |
DaemonFC | drug overdose | Feb 26 23:34 |
DaemonFC | or, and accident, you know | Feb 26 23:35 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: now, I despise Palin as much as anyone, but why does she need to die? the problem is more with a culture that can't see her for what she is | Feb 26 23:35 |
_goblin | DaemonFC, so then its just murder thats misconstrued as suicide...and not really suicide at all....maybe Im tired but that makes no sense what so ever....either you think she was murdered or not. | Feb 26 23:35 |
DaemonFC | car accident is popular | Feb 26 23:35 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: kill Palin, you haven't fixed anything. a new one springs up | Feb 26 23:35 |
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FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: she herself is replacing a different demagogue | Feb 26 23:35 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: they just get upgraded, like a washing machine | Feb 26 23:36 |
MinceR | we'll eventually run out of them :> | Feb 26 23:36 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, No, we just need to set up a meeting for Fox News anchors, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, a number of other nasties | Feb 26 23:36 |
DaemonFC | gas leak in the kitchen | Feb 26 23:36 |
DaemonFC | spark from the oven | Feb 26 23:36 |
DaemonFC | BOOM!!! | Feb 26 23:36 |
FurnaceBoy | MinceR: history doesn't give any promising cues, on that | Feb 26 23:36 |
FurnaceBoy | MinceR: endless supply | Feb 26 23:36 |
FurnaceBoy | MinceR: google Lauren Ashley homosexuals | Feb 26 23:36 |
MinceR | nope -- the rate at which they're replenished is finite | Feb 26 23:36 |
FurnaceBoy | but very high , in the USA | Feb 26 23:36 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, The Soviets did do one thing I kind of admire | Feb 26 23:37 |
FurnaceBoy | talentless opportunists willing to stick to an absurd script? that's half the population, evidently | Feb 26 23:37 |
DaemonFC | line then all up and shoot them | Feb 26 23:37 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you mean Stalin | Feb 26 23:37 |
DaemonFC | send the bill for the bullets to their family | Feb 26 23:37 |
FurnaceBoy | rnb: ping?????????? | Feb 26 23:37 |
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DaemonFC | that's how you deal with political adversaries | Feb 26 23:37 |
_goblin | DaemonFC, you have some rather vivid ideas....Im not sure its all that healthy. | Feb 26 23:37 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's a technique practised today | Feb 26 23:38 |
DaemonFC | China, yeah | Feb 26 23:38 |
DaemonFC | other places too | Feb 26 23:38 |
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bruce89 | sorry, nickserv requirements | Feb 26 23:38 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&hs=RYp&rls=en&resnum=0&q=philippines%20murder%20governor&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn | Feb 26 23:39 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Versus Patent Trolls, #Microsoft ’s Friend #Fraunhofer to Report on Software Patents in Europe http://ur1.ca/npak | Feb 26 23:39 | |
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DaemonFC | in China you get arrested, a show trial, and a bullet in the back of the head all in the same week | Feb 26 23:39 |
DaemonFC | China's system says only the most guilty plea their innocence and need to be punished more harshly | Feb 26 23:39 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: more specifically, http://news.google.ca/news/more?um=1&cf=all&ned=ca&cf=all&ncl=dEHIsD0l0a3Me-MsxNO0j0wFEfUNM | Feb 26 23:40 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera Shift worker....and at the moment a rather diverse range of shifts to say the least. | Feb 26 23:41 | |
DaemonFC | In China, you may be able to beg the court for mercy if you give them a confession | Feb 26 23:41 |
DaemonFC | pleading not guilty ensures you'll get the maximum penalty | Feb 26 23:41 |
_goblin | and your issue is? | Feb 26 23:42 |
schestowitz | Can we please drop suggestions of "suiciding" people here | Feb 26 23:42 |
DaemonFC | That's the reason I'd never go there | Feb 26 23:42 |
schestowitz | ? | Feb 26 23:42 |
schestowitz | it makes us look bad as the humour is lost too in text | Feb 26 23:42 |
DaemonFC | right | Feb 26 23:43 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: you started it | Feb 26 23:43 |
ender2070 | hes being quite accurate | Feb 26 23:43 |
schestowitz | [23:32] <DaemonFC> _goblin, someone should really disappear her | Feb 26 23:43 |
schestowitz | Control yourself, gunman | Feb 26 23:43 |
_goblin | schestowitz: It was only daemonfc wasn't it? | Feb 26 23:43 |
schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Canonical-Launches-Ubuntu-Single-Sign-On-135260.shtml | Feb 26 23:44 |
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DaemonFC | _goblin, It was just an allusion to the fact that I'm sure Obama has a dirty tricks squad | Feb 26 23:44 |
_goblin | im sure.... | Feb 26 23:45 |
DaemonFC | she's not worth deploying them for | Feb 26 23:45 |
_goblin | but I don't talk politics. | Feb 26 23:45 |
_goblin | I just think Sarah Palin is a nice looking woman. | Feb 26 23:45 |
DaemonFC | as long as you can maintain the illusion of being "attacked", unjustly, as Obama is, it keeps the approval rating up | Feb 26 23:46 |
DaemonFC | it makes him the underdog in the conservative "machine" | Feb 26 23:46 |
schestowitz | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dailydish/2010/02/chef-at-napas-acclaimed-ubuntu-departs-the-chronicle-reports.html | Feb 26 23:46 |
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DaemonFC | using the enemy propaganda for your purposes, the hallmark of a successful politician anywhere you go | Feb 26 23:46 |
schestowitz | _goblin: presidents are mostly a public face | Feb 26 23:47 |
schestowitz | So from that POV she wuld be good | Feb 26 23:47 |
schestowitz | But she is inarticulate | Feb 26 23:47 |
schestowitz | That's no good... | Feb 26 23:47 |
schestowitz | For a PR person, aka "president" | Feb 26 23:47 |
schestowitz | Commander of Chick | Feb 26 23:47 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Too inarticulate even for some conservatives | Feb 26 23:47 |
DaemonFC | that's going to cost her | Feb 26 23:47 |
sebsebseb | _goblin http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=8892 | Feb 26 23:47 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: worse than Bush, I think | Feb 26 23:48 |
DaemonFC | Yeah, Bush was about right for them. | Feb 26 23:48 |
schestowitz | Even when he fakes his accent and mispronunciations | Feb 26 23:48 |
bruce89 | not heard of openid then | Feb 26 23:48 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 hrm? | Feb 26 23:48 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's just a question of how far is too far. How ridiculous do you have to be before people who might have agreed with you start running away. | Feb 26 23:49 |
DaemonFC | Palin is well beyond that line. | Feb 26 23:49 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followfriday @johnderosa He's funny. | Feb 26 23:50 | |
DaemonFC | she's probably in the top 3 list of things that sank the McCain ticket | Feb 26 23:50 |
DaemonFC | at #1 | Feb 26 23:50 |
DaemonFC | #2 was probably that his voting record really was in line with Bush 95% of the time. People were pissed off at Bush | Feb 26 23:51 |
DaemonFC | guilt by association | Feb 26 23:51 |
bruce89 | the Ubuntu single sign on thing, I heard the server side bit was not free | Feb 26 23:51 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followfriday @stopbeck Wouldn't that be nice. | Feb 26 23:52 | |
DaemonFC | http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=8926 | Feb 26 23:53 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft cripples the Waledac botnet .::. Size~: 21.17 KB | Feb 26 23:53 |
DaemonFC | Did they release Vista 8 and Waledac is not compatible? | Feb 26 23:54 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 26 23:54 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you ever get the feeling the GOP is a little out of sync with modern society? http://www.avclub.com/articles/february-24-2010,38481/ | Feb 26 23:55 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: February 24, 2010 : Savage Love | The A.V. Club .::. Size~: 53.83 KB | Feb 26 23:55 |
DaemonFC | not him | Feb 26 23:55 |
*DaemonFC facepalms | Feb 26 23:55 | |
DaemonFC | Do you know what you have to do to get yourself arrested over your blog? | Feb 26 23:55 |
DaemonFC | oh, not Michael Savage | Feb 26 23:56 |
DaemonFC | alright then | Feb 26 23:56 |
schestowitz | bruce89: yes, iffy stuff | Feb 26 23:56 |
schestowitz | I caught up a bit | Feb 26 23:56 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu does a lot of proprietary stuff now | Feb 26 23:57 |
schestowitz | Mac Asay still blogs Apple admiration... http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10457648-16.html *Sigh* | Feb 26 23:57 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: The key to Apple's success: Focus | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 112.98 KB | Feb 26 23:57 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, And why, exactly, did you send me a blog post about heterosexual anal sex? | Feb 26 23:57 |
bruce89 | it didn't start well with launchpad mind | Feb 26 23:57 |
DaemonFC | and WHY did you post it in here | Feb 26 23:57 |
MinceR | apparently canonical couldn't buy his fanboyism after all | Feb 26 23:57 |
schestowitz | Personally I think thatb a COO should be busy doing work, not blogging | Feb 26 23:58 |
MinceR | lol, he calls m$ an "innovator" | Feb 26 23:58 |
schestowitz | This whole item has him with disclosure as "Ubuntu" guy, but he blogs about Apple | Feb 26 23:58 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, On the payroll and still praising the competition? | Feb 26 23:58 |
DaemonFC | That's worth getting fired over | Feb 26 23:58 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: indeed. | Feb 26 23:58 |
schestowitz | it's like Ballmr starting a daily blog and writing about the cool Mac he got his son | Feb 26 23:58 |
MinceR | he wasn't worth hiring in the first place | Feb 26 23:58 |
MinceR | but if this is the way shuttleworth wants to destroy his company then this is the way it's gonna go :> | Feb 26 23:59 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, That takes balls. I haven't even seen jono do that! | Feb 26 23:59 |
DaemonFC | :D | Feb 26 23:59 |
schestowitz | *LOL* | Feb 26 23:59 |
schestowitz | Microsogt innvator | Feb 26 23:59 |
schestowitz | Let me see it....... | Feb 26 23:59 |
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