MinceR | look for "innovator's dilemma" | Feb 27 00:00 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I'm one of those white dudes who can't #fistbump. @splorp is apparently the other kind :P | Feb 27 00:00 | |
DaemonFC | MinceR, Why do you suppose I saw all this going down and was like "Oh shit..." | Feb 27 00:00 |
DaemonFC | I don't want Ubuntu on my system, because it may not even be here next year | Feb 27 00:00 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: because it was one step among many in which canonical is destroying itself? :> | Feb 27 00:00 |
schestowitz | He doesn't say it | Feb 27 00:00 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it was also about the beloved GOP | Feb 27 00:00 |
schestowitz | MinceR: no | Feb 27 00:00 |
schestowitz | You took it out of context | Feb 27 00:00 |
DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, I hate the GOP... | Feb 27 00:01 |
MinceR | schestowitz: he says m$ faces it -- from this logically follows that he considers m$ an "innovator" | Feb 27 00:01 |
schestowitz | Not quite | Feb 27 00:01 |
FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: no doubt :) | Feb 27 00:01 |
schestowitz | He could claim otherwise | Feb 27 00:01 |
schestowitz | But anyway, he's a lawyer | Feb 27 00:01 |
MinceR | just a typical crApple fanboy, secretly admiring m$ | Feb 27 00:01 |
schestowitz | he's newbie to computer history | Feb 27 00:01 |
*bruce89 waits for everyone yo copy gnome-shell | Feb 27 00:01 | |
MinceR | he could say all sorts of lies | Feb 27 00:01 |
MinceR | it wouldn't make a difference | Feb 27 00:01 |
schestowitz | Well, better to ignore | Feb 27 00:02 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu is low-hanging fruit | Feb 27 00:02 |
schestowitz | It gets us those new users | Feb 27 00:02 |
schestowitz | Fruit :-) | Feb 27 00:02 |
MinceR | maybe they'll turn into a crApple reseller | Feb 27 00:02 |
schestowitz | I just hope Ubuntu moves to KDE | Feb 27 00:02 |
schestowitz | No mono | Feb 27 00:02 |
schestowitz | No Untz | Feb 27 00:02 |
schestowitz | Win-win | Feb 27 00:02 |
_goblin | How about Xfce | Feb 27 00:02 |
schestowitz | THat too | Feb 27 00:02 |
MinceR | xfce is gnome, except it does even less | Feb 27 00:02 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz what's Untz? | Feb 27 00:02 |
schestowitz | I think they wanted to do what SUSE does | Feb 27 00:02 |
_goblin | ok.... | Feb 27 00:03 |
schestowitz | Give options in the intaller | Feb 27 00:03 |
schestowitz | jono: yo | Feb 27 00:03 |
_goblin | enlightenment | Feb 27 00:03 |
sebsebseb | MinceR this is how I see XFCE a cut down version of Gnome | Feb 27 00:03 |
schestowitz | Remember the talk of yours about putting Gobuntu as installer option? | Feb 27 00:03 |
schestowitz | Around 2008> | Feb 27 00:03 |
MinceR | i think i do | Feb 27 00:03 |
DaemonFC | Mono is not GNOME | Feb 27 00:03 |
schestowitz | I think it would help Ubuntu earn more respect | Feb 27 00:04 |
DaemonFC | Miguel just dances all over Planet GNOME spewing Silverlight ads | Feb 27 00:04 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC why are you putting that? | Feb 27 00:04 |
sebsebseb | that Mono | Feb 27 00:04 |
sebsebseb | isn't GNOME | Feb 27 00:04 |
MinceR | mono isn't gnome... yet. | Feb 27 00:04 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: loyalty | Feb 27 00:04 |
schestowitz | He works for Microsoft and its henchmen | Feb 27 00:04 |
MinceR | or rather, gnome isn't mono... yet | Feb 27 00:04 |
schestowitz | They poison other companies like this | Feb 27 00:04 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, There's a rather lot of GNOME developers, agreed? | Feb 27 00:05 |
schestowitz | Injecting their suckers into the projects | Feb 27 00:05 |
schestowitz | Look at COrel | Feb 27 00:05 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: probably | Feb 27 00:05 |
bruce89 | it'll be a cold day in hell before that occurs | Feb 27 00:05 |
DaemonFC | and it takes half plus 1 to break from GNU in a vote, right? | Feb 27 00:05 |
schestowitz | People don't learn from history | Feb 27 00:05 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: or maybe just "menu item removers" and "feature removers" :> | Feb 27 00:05 |
schestowitz | The problem is that some managers don't have history perspective | Feb 27 00:05 |
schestowitz | Mac Asay for example | Feb 27 00:05 |
DaemonFC | so who cares about 2 GNOME developers pushing to leave? | Feb 27 00:05 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: i guess it does | Feb 27 00:05 |
schestowitz | So I don't blame him for now knowing | Feb 27 00:05 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: isn't de icaza some sort of boss in that project? | Feb 27 00:05 |
schestowitz | Mono | Feb 27 00:05 |
DaemonFC | MinceR, No | Feb 27 00:05 |
schestowitz | Novell's "crown jewel" | Feb 27 00:06 |
DaemonFC | Miguel de Icaza left years ago, the problem is that his blog is still hooked up to Planet GNOME | Feb 27 00:06 |
schestowitz | Check out this pic: http://softwarelivre.org/aurium/blog/mono-the-trojan | Feb 27 00:06 |
DaemonFC | and a Silverlight ad pissed Stallman off | Feb 27 00:06 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Mono, the trojan - Aurium - Software Livre Brasil .::. Size~: 36.63 KB | Feb 27 00:06 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: not vmware? | Feb 27 00:06 |
DaemonFC | well, them too, but who cares? | Feb 27 00:06 |
schestowitz | http://lifehacker.com/5478063/ubuntu-1004-to-include-built+in-mp3-store | Feb 27 00:07 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu 10.04 to Include Built-In Music Store - MP3s - Lifehacker .::. Size~: 63.05 KB | Feb 27 00:07 |
DaemonFC | VMWare isn't a malicious anti-Linux company, they actually contribute a lot of valuable code to Mesa | Feb 27 00:07 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft is a different case entirely | Feb 27 00:07 |
schestowitz | YEs, but.. | Feb 27 00:07 |
schestowitz | There is another side | Feb 27 00:07 |
schestowitz | http://bleacherreport.com/articles/350909-boston-celtics-nate-robinson-needs-unbuntu-to-be-great | Feb 27 00:08 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Boston Celtics Nate Robinson Needs "Ubuntu" to Be Great | Bleacher Report .::. Size~: 70.44 KB | Feb 27 00:08 |
schestowitz | Make this man CEO | Feb 27 00:08 |
DaemonFC | VMWare is a positive to pretty much every Linux user with a video card right now | Feb 27 00:08 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft has vowed to kill Linux | Feb 27 00:08 |
schestowitz | He'd kick Ballmer's ass at basketball :-) | Feb 27 00:08 |
DaemonFC | who should we be more pissed over? | Feb 27 00:08 |
schestowitz | And take away his wife.. :0-) | Feb 27 00:08 |
bruce89 | a whisky maker? | Feb 27 00:08 |
DaemonFC | blind hate over proprietary software companies shouldn't be an issue | Feb 27 00:08 |
DaemonFC | foisting ads for malicious anti-Linux companies on Planet GNOME is a valid complaint | Feb 27 00:09 |
DaemonFC | and they should cut Miguels Silverlight splog immediately | Feb 27 00:09 |
bruce89 | I'd agree with that | Feb 27 00:09 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC splog? Blog? | Feb 27 00:10 |
DaemonFC | spam blog | Feb 27 00:10 |
DaemonFC | he's running a Silverlight promoting splog | Feb 27 00:10 |
sebsebseb | Moonlight is worse than Mono really I guess | Feb 27 00:10 |
sebsebseb | luckily Silverlight/Moonlight hasn't hit off much yet | Feb 27 00:11 |
DaemonFC | Silverlight splogging is Miguel's ONLY contribution to Planet GNOME | Feb 27 00:11 |
bruce89 | tell the olympics that | Feb 27 00:11 |
DaemonFC | the VMWare guy made one VMWare-related post and RMS is mad about that too | Feb 27 00:11 |
DaemonFC | it trivializes the real problem | Feb 27 00:11 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 maybe it was you that mentioned something before, seems familur when you put that, anyway I haven't been on olympic sites | Feb 27 00:11 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Silverlight is moribund, but that's not even the point | Feb 27 00:12 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 also it will be mainly Windows users going on them I guess, and most Desktop Linux users that are, probably know better than to install Moonlight | Feb 27 00:12 |
DaemonFC | it's what it is, and what it is there to try to do that's the problem | Feb 27 00:12 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 or not since Ubuntu has most users at the moment hrm | Feb 27 00:12 |
sebsebseb | What does moribund mean DaemonFC? | Feb 27 00:12 |
DaemonFC | weak, ineffective, declining | Feb 27 00:13 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 anyway my point is not that many Desktop Linux have installed Moonlight I expect | Feb 27 00:13 |
bruce89 | why? | Feb 27 00:13 |
bruce89 | Fedora's repo hasn't it any more | Feb 27 00:13 |
schestowitz | Who the HECK would need that??????????/ http://www.dailyworldbuzz.com/safari-4-installing-and-running-it-on-ubuntu-linux/21840/ | Feb 27 00:13 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Safari 4: Installing and Running it on Ubuntu Linux | Daily World Buzz .::. Size~: 67.07 KB | Feb 27 00:13 |
DaemonFC | Yes, Fedora banned it | Feb 27 00:13 |
schestowitz | Maybe the COO... | Feb 27 00:13 |
DaemonFC | per official policy | Feb 27 00:13 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 since Flash has most of that market still | Feb 27 00:14 |
sebsebseb | that's why | Feb 27 00:14 |
sebsebseb | Silverlight/Moonlight is meant to be a Flash killer | Feb 27 00:14 |
bruce89 | will I say my piece | Feb 27 00:14 |
DaemonFC | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#Moonlight | Feb 27 00:14 |
bruce89 | Flash is a cancerous polyp in the anus of the Web | Feb 27 00:14 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Forbidden items - FedoraProject .::. Size~: 32.91 KB | Feb 27 00:14 |
sebsebseb | well maybe not so much a killer, but Microsoft would like it to be much more used, than it is today | Feb 27 00:14 |
bruce89 | they're both a moot point | Feb 27 00:14 |
bruce89 | I hop | Feb 27 00:14 |
bruce89 | backwards out of this room | Feb 27 00:15 |
sebsebseb | Moonlight/Silverlight woudn't be much better if better at all, than Flash is | Feb 27 00:15 |
DaemonFC | Miguel wants desktop apps to be developed with MoonLight 4 | Feb 27 00:15 |
sebsebseb | backwards out of this room??? | Feb 27 00:15 |
DaemonFC | that's probably only ever going to happen in OpenSuse | Feb 27 00:15 |
bruce89 | eww | Feb 27 00:15 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Feb 27 00:16 |
sebsebseb | once I helped someone in the big Ubuntu channel, or kind of did, anyway he wanted Mono, and there was something about how he was paid to make Mono apps or something like that hrm | Feb 27 00:16 |
schestowitz | "We could refresh the look and feel of the entire desktop with Moonlight" -Miguel de Icaza | Feb 27 00:16 |
_goblin | bruce89, "Flash is a cancerous polyp in the anus of the Web".......I believe thats from Red Dwarf....."cancerous polyp in the anus of humanity" | Feb 27 00:16 |
bruce89 | wow, indeed it is | Feb 27 00:16 |
sebsebseb | that wasn't that long ago in that big channel | Feb 27 00:16 |
_goblin | I believe its what Rimmer was alleged to have said about Lister | Feb 27 00:16 |
_goblin | can't remember the episode... | Feb 27 00:17 |
bruce89 | other way round | Feb 27 00:17 |
_goblin | possibly.... | Feb 27 00:17 |
_goblin | Inquisitor? | Feb 27 00:17 |
_goblin | damn....Im loosing my Red Dwarf knowledge. | Feb 27 00:17 |
bruce89 | I couldn't tell you off the top of my head | Feb 27 00:17 |
bruce89 | hmm, one of the top results is my post at ubuntu forums (I know) | Feb 27 00:18 |
schestowitz | ABI: 163 million Smartbook shipments in 2015 http://www.liliputing.com/2010/02/abi-163-million-smartbook-shipments-in-2015.html Not desktop, but win for Linux nevertheless | Feb 27 00:19 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: ABI: 163 million Smartbook shipments in 2015 .::. Size~: 26.82 KB | Feb 27 00:19 |
schestowitz | Linux only (aRM) | Feb 27 00:19 |
_goblin | aahhh | Feb 27 00:19 |
_goblin | found the ep | Feb 27 00:19 |
bruce89 | Justice? | Feb 27 00:20 |
_goblin | it was Arnold Rimmer who said it (you were right) | Feb 27 00:20 |
_goblin | and it was the Psi Moon episode. | Feb 27 00:20 |
bruce89 | ah, haven# | Feb 27 00:20 |
bruce89 | t seen it for a while | Feb 27 00:20 |
sebsebseb | t? haven't? | Feb 27 00:20 |
bruce89 | it's Yorkshire | Feb 27 00:21 |
bruce89 | http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/26/apple_supplier_report/ | Feb 27 00:21 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Apple uncovers child workers in its plants • The Register .::. Size~: 23.91 KB | Feb 27 00:21 |
_goblin | Red Dwarf quote of the day: | Feb 27 00:22 |
schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5946 "What Matt really wants, I suspect, is a peek at what Microsoft is settling for." | Feb 27 00:22 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Does Microsoft want a Linux trial? | Open Source | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 201.85 KB | Feb 27 00:22 |
_goblin | Rimmer: "Step up to red alert!" - Kryten: "Sir, are you absolutely sure? It does mean changing the bulb." ......great stuff. | Feb 27 00:22 |
bruce89 | oh yes, that's a good one | Feb 27 00:23 |
_goblin | or a close contender would be "So let me get this straight, you want to fly on a magic carpet to see the king of the potato people and plead with him for your freedom...and you are telling me you are completely sane?" | Feb 27 00:24 |
*bruce89 wonders why gstreamer appears to be broken | Feb 27 00:26 | |
bruce89 | a larger theora encode with current libraries looks worse than the old one | Feb 27 00:26 |
_goblin | sort of related..... | Feb 27 00:27 |
_goblin | I see Lilly Allen has given up music.....again. | Feb 27 00:27 |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "I could refresh the look and feel of my whole bank account with Moonlight." -- Miguel de Turncoat | Feb 27 00:30 |
schestowitz | There's this Ryan Windsor guy shilling for Microsoft | Feb 27 00:32 |
schestowitz | Watch out for these freaks... | Feb 27 00:32 |
schestowitz | He's from Ontario... | Feb 27 00:32 |
schestowitz | _goblin: and an online life | Feb 27 00:32 |
schestowitz | She got abused for her abuse online | Feb 27 00:32 |
schestowitz | She's used to one-way communication | Feb 27 00:32 |
schestowitz | TV->viewer | Feb 27 00:33 |
schestowitz | Not <-> | Feb 27 00:33 |
schestowitz | It protects her, like a baby | Feb 27 00:33 |
schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: something like that, yeah | Feb 27 00:33 |
schestowitz | He's looking out for himself, not FOSS | Feb 27 00:33 |
_goblin | well whatever the cause of her leaving the music scene, we can be thankful for it....lets just hope she stays away this time.....apparently she will be selling clothes, so stay away from TKmax in the future. | Feb 27 00:34 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/06/ooxml-gnome-debate/ | Feb 27 00:34 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Quick Mention: OOXML/GNOME Podcast Finally Online, Text Summary Posted | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.42 KB | Feb 27 00:34 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/06/ooxml-gnome-debate/ | Feb 27 00:34 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Quick Mention: OOXML/GNOME Podcast Finally Online, Text Summary Posted | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 103.42 KB | Feb 27 00:34 |
schestowitz | Stephane Rodriguez: | Feb 27 00:34 |
schestowitz | "To wrap up on the podcast, I would say that almost no question was asked and allowed to be answered anyway. The one I would like to get an answer : how does it feel for a so-called open-source group such as Gnome to be Microsoft best friends? So far, Microsoft has got all the marketing PR they wanted from “open-source” groups that are remarkably compatible with Microsoft minds. Again, I think those guys are just Microsoft | Feb 27 00:34 |
schestowitz | persons who take a pride not to be on their payroll. (DeIcaza told me in the past that he’s rich)." | Feb 27 00:34 |
schestowitz | And yet he spouts out at Microsoft events that there's no money in FOSS | Feb 27 00:35 |
schestowitz | He sells out FOSS | Feb 27 00:35 |
schestowitz | Then mocks it | Feb 27 00:35 |
schestowitz | _goblin: you're joking, right? | Feb 27 00:35 |
schestowitz | Clothes? Like Puff Daddy Sean Combs? | Feb 27 00:35 |
schestowitz | Bad Boy.... maybe her label will be "bad girl" | Feb 27 00:35 |
schestowitz | The gal who fell in love with the phat mogul.... | Feb 27 00:36 |
schestowitz | Oh dear!! http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10456164-16.html | Feb 27 00:36 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Is monogamy good for technology? | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 120.75 KB | Feb 27 00:36 |
_goblin | schestowitz: no, she is going into fashion (according to papers) and selling clothes......I personally would expect to see her behind the till in TKmax...... | Feb 27 00:37 |
schestowitz | Mac Asay at it again... "Which brings me back to iTunes. Apple COO Tim Cook suggests that the magic of Apple is its seamless interoperability with other Apple technology. Monogamy, in other words." | Feb 27 00:37 |
schestowitz | For Pete's sake! | Feb 27 00:37 |
schestowitz | Now he's taking lessons from the rapid anti-Freedom company? | Feb 27 00:37 |
schestowitz | To justify DRM? | Feb 27 00:37 |
schestowitz | _goblin: she's too spoiled for that | Feb 27 00:38 |
schestowitz | Wants to be rich,... and to spend lots of money...." | Feb 27 00:38 |
schestowitz | I sometimes wonder if singers are as poor as atheletes | Feb 27 00:39 |
_goblin | schestowitz: I think Lily allen isn't short of a few bob. | Feb 27 00:39 |
schestowitz | High on fame, low on cash... they get nickels on albums | Feb 27 00:39 |
schestowitz | Superstars like "Eminem | Feb 27 00:39 |
schestowitz | Superstars like "Eminem" (Mathers) would be millionaires | Feb 27 00:39 |
schestowitz | Take That seem to have run out of cash | Feb 27 00:39 |
schestowitz | Reunions | Feb 27 00:40 |
_goblin | Eninem is a superstar? when did that happen? I thought he was a potty mouthed lad who didn't like his mum. | Feb 27 00:40 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just downloaded a track from @davegorman "Genius" to test the Ubuntu One Music Store :) Went to see the TV version once.Is it coming back? | Feb 27 00:40 | |
schestowitz | Victoria Beckham found a rich husband... | Feb 27 00:40 |
schestowitz | _goblin: he's very popular | Feb 27 00:40 |
schestowitz | Selling millions | Feb 27 00:40 |
_goblin | is he? | Feb 27 00:40 |
schestowitz | Yes | Feb 27 00:40 |
_goblin | ah....I remember the mickey take vid that ICP did of him..... | Feb 27 00:40 |
schestowitz | But many one-hit, one-album artists live quietly with little | Feb 27 00:41 |
schestowitz | Unless they have a lasting/last career like Abba | Feb 27 00:41 |
_goblin | MC Hammer was the man. | Feb 27 00:41 |
_goblin | You can't touch this..... | Feb 27 00:41 |
schestowitz | I have a friend who used to play rugby for England Sevens | Feb 27 00:41 |
schestowitz | He had repeated injury and is quite broke | Feb 27 00:41 |
schestowitz | Sports suck unless it's something like football here or basketball/golf/tennis elsewhere | Feb 27 00:42 |
schestowitz | They can't make a living | Feb 27 00:42 |
schestowitz | Not after retiring in their 30s | Feb 27 00:42 |
schestowitz | Same for singers | Feb 27 00:42 |
schestowitz | Their careers last a short time | Feb 27 00:42 |
schestowitz | Sometimes 15 minutes or fame | Feb 27 00:42 |
schestowitz | Sometimes a song | Feb 27 00:42 |
schestowitz | Sometimes an album | Feb 27 00:42 |
schestowitz | Madonna managed to make it almosta lifetime. Michael Jackson too | Feb 27 00:42 |
_goblin | I don't know....I think they live the life and blow their money....if they were sensible they probably would be able to live comfortably. | Feb 27 00:42 |
schestowitz | Robyn is trying to get back to it and other do too, it just often fails and they never retry | Feb 27 00:43 |
schestowitz | _goblin: but they don't know where it goes | Feb 27 00:43 |
schestowitz | They can predict that'll have another good album | Feb 27 00:43 |
_goblin | up the nose in many cases. | Feb 27 00:43 |
schestowitz | But many get trashed | Feb 27 00:43 |
schestowitz | Look at Obama | Feb 27 00:43 |
schestowitz | He wrote a book | Feb 27 00:43 |
schestowitz | it didn't sell | Feb 27 00:43 |
schestowitz | They took it off the shelves quickly | Feb 27 00:43 |
schestowitz | It was about his life, father, etc. | Feb 27 00:43 |
schestowitz | Same with many bands | Feb 27 00:44 |
schestowitz | They get capital and fail, never to be trusted again | Feb 27 00:44 |
schestowitz | A lot of people I speak to have misconception about the whole "glamour" culture | Feb 27 00:44 |
schestowitz | They think footballers are millionaires | Feb 27 00:44 |
schestowitz | Even though ver few are | Feb 27 00:44 |
schestowitz | And they don'\t understand that they only last a few years in their prime | Feb 27 00:44 |
schestowitz | Then they coach children or soemthing | Feb 27 00:45 |
bruce89 | oh well, there goes my looking forward to the match tomorrow | Feb 27 00:45 |
schestowitz | My football coach used to be a famous player... and many oft he trainers are like that too.... some singers turn to work in some pubs. | Feb 27 00:45 |
_goblin | Roy, Ive had the opportunity of working near to a few of those the people......the problem is in for example football, all footballers try to live the life like Beckham. Thats where teh money goes. | Feb 27 00:45 |
schestowitz | Self-unfulling prophecies | Feb 27 00:45 |
_goblin | Beckham can live like Beckham....Sol Davis can't | Feb 27 00:45 |
schestowitz | Building an image for themselves | Feb 27 00:46 |
schestowitz | _goblin: no-one can | Feb 27 00:46 |
schestowitz | Not even Backham | Feb 27 00:46 |
schestowitz | It's a brand/illusion | Feb 27 00:46 |
schestowitz | They won't show you how they pick up the trash | Feb 27 00:46 |
schestowitz | Thy control the mental images | Feb 27 00:46 |
schestowitz | Same in companies | Feb 27 00:46 |
schestowitz | Same with criminals.. like those who came from Microsoft | Feb 27 00:46 |
schestowitz | They have PR agents in all those places, inc. footballs clubs | Feb 27 00:47 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Novell is not litterally spamming comments sections on articles and blog posts | Feb 27 00:47 |
schestowitz | Man Utd. forbids tweeting by players | Feb 27 00:47 |
DaemonFC | http://www.serverwatch.com/columns/article.php/3866621/Linux-Server-Management-Nightmare-Attack-of-the-Killer-Penguins.htm | Feb 27 00:47 |
schestowitz | They want to presevre some message about their brand | Feb 27 00:47 |
DaemonFC | scroll down to "By Mona Chadha, Novell February 24 2010 3:49 PMPDT" | Feb 27 00:47 |
DaemonFC | *now literally | Feb 27 00:47 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=1928 | Feb 27 00:48 |
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schestowitz | " | Feb 27 00:48 |
schestowitz | Paul Rubens over at ServerWatch wrote an interesting article on a recent Red Hat webinar designed to to discourage customers from migrating to 3rd party supported Red Hat distributions. Novell has just such a program with our SUSE Linux Enterprise Server Subscription with Expanded Support initiative. | Feb 27 00:48 |
schestowitz | According to Paul’s article, third-party branded support was described as “High risk” or “Pay and pray.” | Feb 27 00:48 |
schestowitz | " | Feb 27 00:48 |
DaemonFC | uhhm | Feb 27 00:48 |
DaemonFC | Novell's PR splog is funny | Feb 27 00:49 |
schestowitz | Yes | Feb 27 00:50 |
DaemonFC | they use it as a soapbox to harass customers that leave too | Feb 27 00:50 |
schestowitz | Lots to be posted about it tomorrow | Feb 27 00:50 |
schestowitz | They're very lame | Feb 27 00:50 |
schestowitz | Yes | Feb 27 00:50 |
schestowitz | That's Ian | Feb 27 00:50 |
sebsebseb | lame? lan? | Feb 27 00:50 |
sebsebseb | local area network? | Feb 27 00:50 |
schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/23/iran-abdolmalek-rigi-arrest | Feb 27 00:51 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: did you read abt in in BN? | Feb 27 00:51 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: not LAN, IAN | Feb 27 00:51 |
schestowitz | Bruce | Feb 27 00:51 |
schestowitz | He's quite new | Feb 27 00:51 |
bruce89 | yes | Feb 27 00:51 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+%22ian+bruce%22&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Feb 27 00:51 |
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DaemonFC | Xerox suing Google... | Feb 27 00:52 |
ender2070 | "Having options like SUSE Linux Enterprise Server with Expanded Support and Oracle Unbreakable Linux support provides customers with flexibility and choice for supporting their Linux environments. Isn’t that the spirit of open source?" | Feb 27 00:52 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz bruce89 has been here brifly before this week, and yes I know your on about some other bruce | Feb 27 00:52 |
ender2070 | LOL | Feb 27 00:52 |
ender2070 | "buy proprietary solutions for your software, thats the spirit of open source!" | Feb 27 00:53 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Isn't giving ME your money the spirit of open source? | Feb 27 00:53 |
DaemonFC | Isn't it? | Feb 27 00:53 |
*DaemonFC plays his little fiddle | Feb 27 00:53 | |
sebsebseb | schestowitz a few visits here and there for not that long, and then this week he becomes more active here for some reason/s | Feb 27 00:53 |
schestowitz | Australia is paying people to have more babies http://runaway-human-population.blogspot.com/2009/03/incoherent-policies.html | Feb 27 00:54 |
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bruce89 | is this the Spanish inquisition, or has sebsebseb got the wrong end of the stick | Feb 27 00:54 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: bruce89 is cool | Feb 27 00:54 |
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sebsebseb | schestowitz he's not cool, but he's ok yeah | Feb 27 00:55 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: Open CORE!!! | Feb 27 00:55 |
schestowitz | Mac Asay is hard core on open core | Feb 27 00:55 |
ender2070 | schestowitz - they are taking the other approach, increase births and cut immigration. not incoherant at all. | Feb 27 00:55 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: cool has different meanings | Feb 27 00:56 |
schestowitz | ender2070: they should breed animals | Feb 27 00:56 |
schestowitz | We have a lot of humans already | Feb 27 00:56 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz what was yours above? | Feb 27 00:56 |
bruce89 | hang on | Feb 27 00:56 |
schestowitz | We need diversity | Feb 27 00:56 |
ender2070 | no | Feb 27 00:56 |
ender2070 | diversity leads to more apathy | Feb 27 00:56 |
schestowitz | Until we can create animals from scratch anyway | Feb 27 00:56 |
ender2070 | nobody sticks together anymore | Feb 27 00:57 |
DaemonFC | diversity = quota on how many people of what color deserve to be in a particular place | Feb 27 00:57 |
DaemonFC | made up by bureaucrats | Feb 27 00:57 |
schestowitz | No | Feb 27 00:57 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 00:57 |
schestowitz | Freedom compromise | Feb 27 00:57 |
DaemonFC | bullshit | Feb 27 00:57 |
DaemonFC | let everyone compete on their own merits | Feb 27 00:57 |
schestowitz | Freedom to make 10 offsprings is inconveniencing other | Feb 27 00:57 |
ender2070 | diversity leads to apathy, because you have people from different cultures who dont give a shit about you, your family or your beliefs | Feb 27 00:57 |
schestowitz | *thers | Feb 27 00:57 |
DaemonFC | no matter how embarrassing it might be | Feb 27 00:58 |
schestowitz | With or without welfare systems | Feb 27 00:58 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz bruce89 is cool, in your context, meant? | Feb 27 00:58 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: nm | Feb 27 00:58 |
schestowitz | You're being too inquisitive | Feb 27 00:58 |
schestowitz | ender2070: maybe we should do it like in suth park | Feb 27 00:59 |
schestowitz | One common tongue and colour | Feb 27 00:59 |
schestowitz | Travel to the future... | Feb 27 00:59 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz That was his joke thing, I know him from elsewhere, and then you use it as an excuse not to answer the question :D | Feb 27 00:59 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 27 00:59 |
schestowitz | http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/leaked-acta-draft-treaty-reveals-plans-for-internet-clampdown | Feb 27 00:59 |
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sebsebseb | ender2070 lol @ who? not clear when two convos is going on like above | Feb 27 01:00 |
ender2070 | was laughing at schestowitz | Feb 27 01:00 |
schestowitz | www.telegraph.co.uk/.../Gordon-Brown-to-appear-on-South-Park.html | Feb 27 01:01 |
ender2070 | im not against immigration either, dont get me wrong | Feb 27 01:02 |
schestowitz | Define the term | Feb 27 01:02 |
ender2070 | its just bad when immigrants outnumber the natives and become the new minority | Feb 27 01:02 |
schestowitz | The natives (First people) didn't like immigrants either | Feb 27 01:02 |
schestowitz | The immigrants massacres them and raped their little girls | Feb 27 01:02 |
schestowitz | *red | Feb 27 01:02 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, "Security Through Lawsuits" is how you should refer to MS vs botnets | Feb 27 01:02 |
DaemonFC | and they can't sue people fast enough to stop them | Feb 27 01:03 |
schestowitz | I know | Feb 27 01:03 |
ender2070 | thats far different to whats going on now | Feb 27 01:03 |
schestowitz | I wrote about it | Feb 27 01:03 |
schestowitz | They shoot down blogs | Feb 27 01:03 |
schestowitz | Issuing threat letters | Feb 27 01:03 |
schestowitz | To annihilate exploits | Feb 27 01:03 |
ender2070 | you have people getting into the country who have higher benefits than people who live here | Feb 27 01:03 |
schestowitz | OK..... | Feb 27 01:03 |
ender2070 | and you cant say anything bad about them or you're automatically racist | Feb 27 01:03 |
schestowitz | Yes | Feb 27 01:03 |
ender2070 | but you can talk crap about white people all you want | Feb 27 01:04 |
schestowitz | "Racism" is sometimes a shield | Feb 27 01:04 |
schestowitz | Or "sexism" or "anti-Semite!" | Feb 27 01:04 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Since when did you get a clue? | Feb 27 01:04 |
schestowitz | When people don't like something that's said | Feb 27 01:04 |
schestowitz | "Fud!" can be a similar term | Feb 27 01:04 |
DaemonFC | Did someone beat you with a cluestick? | Feb 27 01:04 |
schestowitz | So I don't use the word "Fud" much | Feb 27 01:04 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - de-programming | Feb 27 01:05 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, It's that way in Canada too? wow | Feb 27 01:05 |
ender2070 | yes | Feb 27 01:05 |
ender2070 | refugees get a house, free dental, etc | Feb 27 01:05 |
ender2070 | i didnt know till the other day | Feb 27 01:05 |
schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#25%20February%202010%20%28US%20police%20state%20tightens%20grip%29 "olice in the US are tracking people through their cell phones without bothering to get search warrants. The legal standard for a search warrant in some cases, as described in this article, is pitifully weak: a mere assertion that the information is "relevant" to an investigation." | Feb 27 01:05 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, I've been saying it all along | Feb 27 01:05 |
ender2070 | they even get several grand a month | Feb 27 01:05 |
DaemonFC | the people who do the least get carried by the state | Feb 27 01:05 |
ender2070 | living expenses | Feb 27 01:06 |
DaemonFC | the less you do, the more welfare comes in | Feb 27 01:06 |
ender2070 | oh this refugee deal is better | Feb 27 01:06 |
ender2070 | better than welfare and EI | Feb 27 01:06 |
DaemonFC | EI? | Feb 27 01:06 |
Diablo-D3 | can I be a refugee? | Feb 27 01:06 |
ender2070 | they get fucking dental and a free home | Feb 27 01:06 |
DaemonFC | Yes, I'll be a refugee too | Feb 27 01:06 |
ender2070 | employment insurance, its unemployment income | Feb 27 01:06 |
DaemonFC | I can has ender2070's tax dollars? | Feb 27 01:07 |
DaemonFC | :D | Feb 27 01:07 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 27 01:07 |
Diablo-D3 | woah! | Feb 27 01:07 |
Diablo-D3 | you can get insurance against being employed? | Feb 27 01:07 |
Diablo-D3 | sweet! | Feb 27 01:07 |
DaemonFC | oh, UI | Feb 27 01:07 |
ender2070 | they also get to vote | Feb 27 01:07 |
*Diablo-D3 doesnt want that malady to ever hit him | Feb 27 01:07 | |
DaemonFC | woohoo | Feb 27 01:07 |
ender2070 | so you can see how they plan to vote already | Feb 27 01:07 |
Diablo-D3 | PALIN 2012 | Feb 27 01:07 |
Diablo-D3 | PALIN 2012 | Feb 27 01:07 |
Diablo-D3 | PALIN 2012 | Feb 27 01:07 |
Diablo-D3 | PALIN 2012 | Feb 27 01:07 |
Diablo-D3 | PALIN 2012 | Feb 27 01:07 |
Diablo-D3 | PALIN 2012 | Feb 27 01:07 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Here you actually have to work a while before you're covered for unemployment insurance | Feb 27 01:08 |
DaemonFC | maybe we should have told you guys that | Feb 27 01:08 |
DaemonFC | sorry | Feb 27 01:08 |
ender2070 | yes same here | Feb 27 01:08 |
Diablo-D3 | I think | Feb 27 01:08 |
ender2070 | im saying the benefits are better than unemployment wages | Feb 27 01:08 |
Diablo-D3 | Ill become a presidental assassin in 2012 | Feb 27 01:08 |
ender2070 | better than pension too | Feb 27 01:08 |
Diablo-D3 | it seems worth it. | Feb 27 01:08 |
*Diablo-D3 refuses to have bush 3.0 | Feb 27 01:09 | |
DaemonFC | ender2070, The benefits here are 75% of your wages or like $350 a week, whichever comes first | Feb 27 01:09 |
ender2070 | yeah | Feb 27 01:09 |
ender2070 | similar here | Feb 27 01:09 |
DaemonFC | and they get taxed again by the state and the feds and the county | Feb 27 01:09 |
DaemonFC | :P | Feb 27 01:09 |
ender2070 | but if you're a refugee you can get between 2-3 grand a month | Feb 27 01:09 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: Palim Ajax edition | Feb 27 01:10 |
ender2070 | dental, a house, transportation costs, and a lot more | Feb 27 01:10 |
DaemonFC | I remember when I was unemployed for a while in 2004 | Feb 27 01:10 |
schestowitz | ender2070: link? | Feb 27 01:10 |
ender2070 | i dont have one | Feb 27 01:10 |
schestowitz | It sounds like an axaggerated claim | Feb 27 01:10 |
DaemonFC | I actually hit the cap, which was like $312 a week back then | Feb 27 01:10 |
schestowitz | Maybe an urban myth | Feb 27 01:10 |
ender2070 | when i saw a house i dont mean land | Feb 27 01:10 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Best months of my LIFE | Feb 27 01:10 |
ender2070 | just a place to live + rent | Feb 27 01:10 |
ender2070 | say* | Feb 27 01:10 |
DaemonFC | income, no work to go to, nicer car than I have now | Feb 27 01:11 |
DaemonFC | doing whatever I wanted | Feb 27 01:11 |
ender2070 | transportation is probably the bus | Feb 27 01:11 |
ender2070 | it was leaked info, from a government worker | Feb 27 01:11 |
DaemonFC | I started putting in job apps at places I knew would never hire me | Feb 27 01:11 |
DaemonFC | kept the unemployment coming longer | Feb 27 01:11 |
DaemonFC | and then something happened and they extended tit for another 6 months | Feb 27 01:12 |
DaemonFC | I ended up going for nearly a year with a guaranteed income and no obligations | Feb 27 01:12 |
ender2070 | DaemonFC - if you're "laid off", not "fired" here in Ontario Canada, you can get Second Career which will fund 2 years of college | Feb 27 01:12 |
DaemonFC | it corrupts you | Feb 27 01:12 |
DaemonFC | yeah, they do something like that here | Feb 27 01:13 |
schestowitz | http://www.avaaz.org/en/stealing_from_haiti/?vl | Feb 27 01:13 |
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DaemonFC | it's not college, it's job training | Feb 27 01:13 |
DaemonFC | like vocational stuff | Feb 27 01:13 |
ender2070 | they do that here too | Feb 27 01:13 |
ender2070 | they have both | Feb 27 01:13 |
ender2070 | second career is just newer | Feb 27 01:13 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, The law as written is easily exploited | Feb 27 01:15 |
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DaemonFC | they really should require you to quit dicking around and find work | Feb 27 01:15 |
ender2070 | yes | Feb 27 01:15 |
DaemonFC | it's obvious that jobs I'm not qualified for were not going to hire me | Feb 27 01:15 |
DaemonFC | and I know I'm not the only person who has done that | Feb 27 01:15 |
ender2070 | yeah but at the same time there are some people out there forced to do so because of the little jobs available | Feb 27 01:16 |
ender2070 | you shouldn't be forced to work at mcdonalds because you cant find a tech job | Feb 27 01:16 |
DaemonFC | yeah, I'm not saying that they should get cut off, I'm saying if the employment counselor looks up at me and says "I see you've applied at Hot Topic this week" | Feb 27 01:17 |
DaemonFC | it should set off an alarm | Feb 27 01:17 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 27 01:17 |
ender2070 | I find it surprising to hear programming is a top job | Feb 27 01:18 |
ender2070 | despite jobs being shipped to India | Feb 27 01:18 |
DaemonFC | They should do that shit too, like "I see you've applied at Hot Topic this week", and just glare at you | Feb 27 01:18 |
DaemonFC | and if you start busting out laughing, you get cut off | Feb 27 01:18 |
DaemonFC | little tests, you know? | Feb 27 01:19 |
ender2070 | yeah | Feb 27 01:19 |
ender2070 | I dunno though it's not such an easy thing to solve | Feb 27 01:19 |
DaemonFC | I should have applied to be the CEO of Microsoft | Feb 27 01:20 |
DaemonFC | see if that counts | Feb 27 01:20 |
ender2070 | there are people who game the system but how do you punish them without punishing the people who have legit needs | Feb 27 01:20 |
DaemonFC | I'm just really motivated | Feb 27 01:20 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, You can in some cases. | Feb 27 01:20 |
DaemonFC | Like limiting the number of years a woman can be on TANF to 5 in their entire life | Feb 27 01:21 |
DaemonFC | and making sure they know it | Feb 27 01:21 |
DaemonFC | it used to be that you had these career welfare mothers that stayed on the cash welfare forever | Feb 27 01:22 |
DaemonFC | the Republicans forced the reform of that on Clinton back in 1996 | Feb 27 01:22 |
DaemonFC | Now you can be on it a total of 5 years in your life. | Feb 27 01:22 |
DaemonFC | Excuses the "I had one kid by accident" people and goes after the "The more babies, the more money" types | Feb 27 01:23 |
ender2070 | what happens if you have bad luck | Feb 27 01:23 |
DaemonFC | and it's cut our cash welfare rolls to 25% what they were in 1996 | Feb 27 01:24 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wikipedia blog: The #Wikipedia/#Wikimedia Press Coverage Bingo Card. http://is.gd/9hB0L | Feb 27 01:24 | |
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DaemonFC | ender2070, Getting pregnant or not is no a matter of luck. | Feb 27 01:24 |
ender2070 | no but what if you get laid off like 20 times in the course of your lifetime | Feb 27 01:25 |
DaemonFC | there's still other help you can get | Feb 27 01:25 |
ender2070 | oh ok | Feb 27 01:25 |
DaemonFC | food stamps don't have a limit, medicaid for your kids has no limit, energy assistance has no limit | Feb 27 01:26 |
DaemonFC | handing over cash has a limit | Feb 27 01:26 |
DaemonFC | there's also things like Section 8 housing | Feb 27 01:26 |
DaemonFC | if the mother is really out of work, the rent really can go down to $0 | Feb 27 01:26 |
ender2070 | thats pretty good then | Feb 27 01:27 |
DaemonFC | I think the idea is more towards giving them material assistance that they won't be trading for drugs | Feb 27 01:27 |
DaemonFC | like when food stamps went to the debit card system | Feb 27 01:27 |
ender2070 | yeah | Feb 27 01:27 |
DaemonFC | there's also Head Start | Feb 27 01:28 |
DaemonFC | that's like a federal kindergarten program for low income kids | Feb 27 01:28 |
sebsebseb | bruce89 http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/linux-frustrates-37036 | Feb 27 01:28 |
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DaemonFC | kid goes there, has breakfast, stays there the day | Feb 27 01:29 |
sebsebseb | jono You might find that one a good read actsualley. | Feb 27 01:29 |
DaemonFC | kind of doubles as free babysitting | Feb 27 01:29 |
ender2070 | yeah that stuff is all good | Feb 27 01:29 |
DaemonFC | I wonder what jono would say about their CTO pimping the Mac | Feb 27 01:29 |
DaemonFC | I bet jono would be angry, jono would maybe even smash!!!! | Feb 27 01:30 |
DaemonFC | :D | Feb 27 01:30 |
ender2070 | pimping the mac? | Feb 27 01:30 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Matt Asay | Feb 27 01:30 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 27 01:30 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: CTO is Zimmerman | Feb 27 01:30 |
jono | DaemonFC, Matt Zimmerman hasn't pimped the Mac | Feb 27 01:30 |
DaemonFC | the article I read said CTO was the position Asay was taking | Feb 27 01:31 |
DaemonFC | so where is Asay? | Feb 27 01:31 |
ender2070 | CEO of Canonical ? | Feb 27 01:31 |
jono | DaemonFC, he is COO | Feb 27 01:31 |
Diablo-D3 | chief oral (as in dick sucking) officer? | Feb 27 01:31 |
schestowitz | Sheesh | Feb 27 01:31 |
DaemonFC | right, jono so, any comment? about your COO pimping the Mac? | Feb 27 01:31 |
schestowitz | C'mon, be polite | Feb 27 01:31 |
jono | DaemonFC, whatever | Feb 27 01:32 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: he does both | Feb 27 01:32 |
DaemonFC | he goes both ways? | Feb 27 01:32 |
schestowitz | But anyway, Mark selected him | Feb 27 01:32 |
schestowitz | Mark also has some hardon for Macs | Feb 27 01:32 |
schestowitz | Didn't select per se | Feb 27 01:32 |
schestowitz | There was an opening and they knew each other from the ski trips to Asay's dad, etc. | Feb 27 01:32 |
schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/23/nicaragua-cancer-treatment-abortion | Feb 27 01:32 |
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DaemonFC | a vote? As in "We all vote, mine counts, yours will be taken under advisement!"? :) | Feb 27 01:33 |
schestowitz | IIRC, Asay's family works in some church in Argentina... I think Mormons | Feb 27 01:33 |
DaemonFC | yikes | Feb 27 01:33 |
DaemonFC | maybe they should have gave him jono's job | Feb 27 01:33 |
schestowitz | I don't want to talk about religions though, and that includes Apple :-) | Feb 27 01:33 |
DaemonFC | could knock on doors Saturday morning with a bag full of Ubuntu CDs | Feb 27 01:34 |
schestowitz | http://www.zimdiaspora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2857:workers-activist-vanishes-as-zanu-pf-want-her-dead&catid=38:travel-tips&Itemid=18 | Feb 27 01:34 |
schestowitz | I vote for Jono as COO | Feb 27 01:34 |
ender2070 | LOL | Feb 27 01:34 |
jono | DaemonFC, well if we are ever looking for a Chief Trolling Officer, I will give you a yell | Feb 27 01:34 |
schestowitz | Seriously | Feb 27 01:34 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz on the subject of religions well sort of, check out this link http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/linux-frustrates-37036 | Feb 27 01:34 |
schestowitz | He's all FOSS | Feb 27 01:34 |
jono | schestowitzhehe :) | Feb 27 01:34 |
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jono | schestowitz I think I would such at that :) | Feb 27 01:34 |
jono | schestowitz but thanks for the vote of confidence :) | Feb 27 01:34 |
DaemonFC | jono, I could run a better hateblog than Novell | Feb 27 01:34 |
schestowitz | jono: grow the beard longer | Feb 27 01:34 |
DaemonFC | you should consider me | Feb 27 01:34 |
jono | DaemonFC, lol, I believe you could | Feb 27 01:34 |
jono | maybe you could be in marketing? | Feb 27 01:34 |
schestowitz | It makes tribe pride | Feb 27 01:35 |
DaemonFC | possible | Feb 27 01:35 |
jono | schestowitz my wife would not be happy about that | Feb 27 01:35 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@splorp I'm an incompetent #fistbump er. | Feb 27 01:35 | |
jono | :) | Feb 27 01:35 |
DaemonFC | anyone who leaves Canonical is a big stupid doodoo head and we don't need you any more, nyaaaah!!! | Feb 27 01:35 |
DaemonFC | -Novell-ish impersonation | Feb 27 01:35 |
schestowitz | jono: make a detachable beard | Feb 27 01:35 |
schestowitz | Send to your house by post | Feb 27 01:35 |
sebsebseb | jono I wonder what distro this new Desktop Linux user was using, now this is a good read. http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/linux-frustrates-37036 | Feb 27 01:35 |
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jono | schestowitz lol, just a stick on one :) | Feb 27 01:35 |
jono | DaemonFC, hahaha | Feb 27 01:36 |
DaemonFC | strap-on beard | Feb 27 01:36 |
DaemonFC | Santa uses one | Feb 27 01:36 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 27 01:36 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/9470509344 | Feb 27 01:36 |
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schestowitz | "wonderful tagline on ad in RSS feed: "really great hair...delivered to your door"....riiiight" | Feb 27 01:36 |
jono | santa is clearly a fake | Feb 27 01:36 |
DaemonFC | clearly | Feb 27 01:36 |
schestowitz | jono: it's like the glasses | Feb 27 01:36 |
schestowitz | Just some accessory to look smarter... a beard to weak for a conference | Feb 27 01:36 |
schestowitz | *wear | Feb 27 01:36 |
DaemonFC | jono, Considered a beret? | Feb 27 01:37 |
schestowitz | It latches onto the goatee and the sideburns | Feb 27 01:37 |
jono | schestowitz haha | Feb 27 01:37 |
schestowitz | :-) | Feb 27 01:37 |
DaemonFC | and some dark emo glasses? | Feb 27 01:37 |
jono | DaemonFC, honestly? me? a beret? wow, you really must hate me :P | Feb 27 01:37 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: no beret | Feb 27 01:37 |
DaemonFC | black beret | Feb 27 01:37 |
schestowitz | Che is just popular in south America | Feb 27 01:37 |
DaemonFC | makes him look like he's designing things | Feb 27 01:37 |
DaemonFC | we need to work on the "Designer Nazi" persona | Feb 27 01:38 |
DaemonFC | but the beret is a good start | Feb 27 01:38 |
jono | DaemonFC, wanna be my personal stylist? | Feb 27 01:39 |
jono | :P | Feb 27 01:39 |
DaemonFC | sure | Feb 27 01:39 |
DaemonFC | we'll have people thinking Ubuntu is the craziest shit out there and they have to copy anything it does | Feb 27 01:39 |
DaemonFC | more so than now, obviously | Feb 27 01:40 |
jono | sweet | Feb 27 01:40 |
jono | I was going to try for the steve jobs thing, but that has obviously been done | Feb 27 01:40 |
DaemonFC | Steve Jobs is an old man, you don't want to say old man | Feb 27 01:40 |
DaemonFC | he had his time in the 80s and 90s and the 00s even (maybe) | Feb 27 01:41 |
DaemonFC | now they need to brush him under the rug and move on | Feb 27 01:41 |
DaemonFC | cause if he coughs, their stock goes down | Feb 27 01:41 |
DaemonFC | that's not healthy | Feb 27 01:41 |
jono | I have to accept this | Feb 27 01:42 |
ender2070 | jono - don't forget the LSD then | Feb 27 01:42 |
jono | I have to move on | Feb 27 01:42 |
jono | lol | Feb 27 01:42 |
DaemonFC | there's just not a lot of talent at Apple, Jobs is the only thing propping it up | Feb 27 01:42 |
jono | ok folks, I have to run | Feb 27 01:42 |
DaemonFC | jono, You're in on the ground floor :) | Feb 27 01:42 |
DaemonFC | ahh, bye bye | Feb 27 01:42 |
jono | lol | Feb 27 01:42 |
jono | later skater | Feb 27 01:42 |
schestowitz | I now remember the early day of Asay at CNET | Feb 27 01:45 |
schestowitz | When nobody would ever leave comments | Feb 27 01:45 |
schestowitz | So he E-mailed me asking for participation | Feb 27 01:45 |
schestowitz | Which I rejected | Feb 27 01:46 |
schestowitz | Cause I ***** hate CNET | Feb 27 01:46 |
DaemonFC | WindowsNET | Feb 27 01:46 |
schestowitz | Canonical should not make migrants its managers | Feb 27 01:46 |
schestowitz | It should do what Red Hat did | Feb 27 01:46 |
schestowitz | Its CEO was already a Fedora users | Feb 27 01:46 |
schestowitz | And they did screening based on that stuff | Feb 27 01:46 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: and Apple | Feb 27 01:47 |
schestowitz | CNET swings to money | Feb 27 01:47 |
schestowitz | Nor CBS | Feb 27 01:47 |
schestowitz | Paul Allen was an investor | Feb 27 01:47 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Well, over the last 12 years I've seen it go from Windows/Apple/Linux to Windows/Apple, and now it really hides the Apple stuff that isn't ipod related | Feb 27 01:48 |
DaemonFC | they were probably getting ready to get rid of Asay anyway | Feb 27 01:48 |
schestowitz | Huh? | Feb 27 01:49 |
schestowitz | Well, he doesn't blog like he used to anymore, in any case | Feb 27 01:50 |
schestowitz | In 2008 he did about 7 posts a day (avg) | Feb 27 01:50 |
schestowitz | Now it's one | Feb 27 01:50 |
schestowitz | He writes well, don't get me wrong | Feb 27 01:50 |
schestowitz | But it reminds me of Scoble, where people who are clueless about development type a lot of stuff for Joe Doe | Feb 27 01:51 |
schestowitz | http://www.itworld.com/open-source/97740/open-source-101-paying-free-software | Feb 27 01:51 |
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sebsebseb | Oh the link I gave a little while ago is not a real story, was just done to make a point | Feb 27 01:53 |
sebsebseb | according to comment | Feb 27 01:53 |
DaemonFC | http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/26/senate.jobless.benefits/?hpt=T1 | Feb 27 01:57 |
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DaemonFC | 1.2 million people lose their entire income next week | Feb 27 01:58 |
DaemonFC | cause of one Republican | Feb 27 01:58 |
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schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/London-gov-uk-switches-to-Drupal-open-source-CMS-940463.html | Feb 27 02:09 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes | Feb 27 02:09 |
schestowitz | GWB wanted to be war time president | Feb 27 02:10 |
schestowitz | But I know you refer to someone else | Feb 27 02:10 |
FurnaceBoy | right, let's not talk about the million lives.. schestowitz you read the Pilger? kicked ass. | Feb 27 02:18 |
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ender2070 | I had a good idea for a program | Feb 27 02:34 |
ender2070 | and I know it doesn't currently exist | Feb 27 02:34 |
ender2070 | wait nvm, im gonna patent it first | Feb 27 02:35 |
ender2070 | before I tell anyone | Feb 27 02:35 |
FurnaceBoy | good idea! | Feb 27 02:36 |
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schestowitz | This is fake but hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAJZ3AurgU8 | Feb 27 02:42 |
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schestowitz | ender2070: there's a big backlog | Feb 27 02:42 |
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ender2070 | ?? | Feb 27 02:44 |
Diablo-D3 | do you know why I love 4chan? | Feb 27 02:48 |
Diablo-D3 | http://images.4chan.org/m/src/1267235699806.png | Feb 27 02:48 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Tymlee My husband just asked me what proper etiquette is at a sex party....I asked him what a sex party is. / what's "etiquette"? | Feb 27 02:52 | |
FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://www.ww4report.com/node/8373 | Feb 27 02:55 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followfriday @saintpaul007 @stopthisempire @emergentculture For a breath of fresh air. | Feb 27 03:02 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Spain's Judge Garzón faces suspension after opening Bush-era war crimes probe http://ur1.ca/nqfr | Feb 27 03:02 | |
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FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ahhhh http://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/9704692474 | Feb 27 03:02 |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Jenny McCarthy, who lied about vaccines giving her son #autism, doesn't have a son with #autism http://ur1.ca/nqjl #douchebag #whore | Feb 27 03:27 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Just learned about acl on linux, why havent i seen this before? how could i have lived without this? | Feb 27 03:34 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] *LOL* "According to nationmaster.com, India is home to 1.3 million broadband subscribers and 25 Linux web servers." http://ur1.ca/nqkl | Feb 27 03:42 | |
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schestowitz | That's almost like... 30. | Feb 27 03:43 |
schestowitz | They could soon fill a server room for Linux in the whole of India | Feb 27 03:43 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] How the hell am I supposed to get anything done with a Beagle sleeping on me? Sam Tyler, you snore. Really loud. Hell, I'll watch hockey. | Feb 27 03:44 | |
schestowitz | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/02/cell-phone-security.html "[Corrected, 10:30 p.m. As two readers point out, Symbian is not built on Linux.]" | Feb 27 03:44 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] LA Time #fail : http://ur1.ca/nqky "[Corrected, 10:30 p.m. As two readers point out, Symbian is not built on Linux.]" | Feb 27 03:45 | |
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ziggyfish | schestowitz, what's next a virus scanner for your phone, nice. | Feb 27 03:50 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followfriday @unemployedBush Throw the poor dummy a bone will ya. | Feb 27 03:53 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@techweenie Army of Dorkness #teapartymovies // or just Heart of Darkness, works unchanged | Feb 27 03:54 | |
schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/02/20-geeky-images-from-space/ | Feb 27 03:59 |
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schestowitz | ziggyfish: weak passwords are an issue | Feb 27 04:00 |
schestowitz | And remote access enabled by default | Feb 27 04:00 |
schestowitz | Asterisk had some exploited holes | Feb 27 04:00 |
schestowitz | These are some really whacky pictures.. http://2leep.com/news/2525/100/ | Feb 27 04:03 |
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schestowitz | gn | Feb 27 04:13 |
ender2070 | wait | Feb 27 04:17 |
ender2070 | oh | Feb 27 04:17 |
ender2070 | the var guy is talking about himself in a 3rd party on lxer | Feb 27 04:17 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, So should we be pressing for Vala usage alongside urging people not to use Mono? | Feb 27 04:22 |
DaemonFC | maybe give Vala a little positive nudging? | Feb 27 04:23 |
ender2070 | what would that achieve | Feb 27 04:26 |
DaemonFC | gives them what they say they want | Feb 27 04:27 |
ender2070 | people use mono for 1 of 2 reasons | Feb 27 04:27 |
DaemonFC | bribed to do so is one | Feb 27 04:27 |
ender2070 | 1) not wanting to write garbage collectors | Feb 27 04:27 |
ender2070 | 2) wanking to ms technology | Feb 27 04:27 |
DaemonFC | Python doesn't make you deal with garbage collection does it? | Feb 27 04:28 |
ender2070 | no | Feb 27 04:28 |
ender2070 | if #1 fails, fallback on #2 | Feb 27 04:28 |
DaemonFC | what would be a good C# alternative? | Feb 27 04:28 |
ender2070 | java | Feb 27 04:28 |
DaemonFC | too heavy? | Feb 27 04:28 |
ender2070 | same as c# | Feb 27 04:29 |
DaemonFC | Java apps seem heavier than C# apps running on the CLR | Feb 27 04:29 |
DaemonFC | to me anyway | Feb 27 04:29 |
ender2070 | thats cause swing kind of sucks | Feb 27 04:29 |
DaemonFC | take Azureus anyway, and that was pre-Vuze! | Feb 27 04:29 |
DaemonFC | lol | Feb 27 04:29 |
DaemonFC | now look at Monsoon | Feb 27 04:30 |
ender2070 | not saying java is that much better | Feb 27 04:30 |
ender2070 | they both suck | Feb 27 04:30 |
ender2070 | i'd rather use java than c# though | Feb 27 04:30 |
ender2070 | lesser of two evils | Feb 27 04:30 |
DaemonFC | I mean you have to give people an alternative that's not heavier or harder to use | Feb 27 04:31 |
DaemonFC | if you're asking them to give up C# | Feb 27 04:31 |
DaemonFC | and has roughly the same capabilities | Feb 27 04:31 |
ender2070 | java isnt exactly heavier | Feb 27 04:31 |
DaemonFC | how come it seems that Java apps respond slower, use up twice the RAM, etc? | Feb 27 04:31 |
ender2070 | if you made a fully java 7 compliant program it would kill anything c# has | Feb 27 04:32 |
DaemonFC | I mean I know Java apps draw their own interface, and that's bad | Feb 27 04:32 |
ender2070 | the problem comes with legacy code and libraries | Feb 27 04:32 |
DaemonFC | but it slows the ui down so much | Feb 27 04:32 |
DaemonFC | I think that's really where Mono is killing Java | Feb 27 04:32 |
DaemonFC | user interface responsiveness | Feb 27 04:32 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. | Feb 27 04:33 | |
ender2070 | i dont buy that because you dont have to use the built in library for drawing | Feb 27 04:33 |
ender2070 | you could use gtk bindings, qt bindings | Feb 27 04:33 |
DaemonFC | Java apps can use GTK+ bindings? | Feb 27 04:33 |
DaemonFC | I didn't know that | Feb 27 04:33 |
DaemonFC | haven't seen any do it | Feb 27 04:33 |
ender2070 | heck i think theres even wx bindings | Feb 27 04:33 |
ender2070 | its cause java sucks | Feb 27 04:34 |
ender2070 | but unlike mono, people know it | Feb 27 04:34 |
DaemonFC | so Mono is superficially better than JAVA, but not really better once you start looking? | Feb 27 04:34 |
ender2070 | java 7 will be gpl btw, and with that comes improvement | Feb 27 04:34 |
ender2070 | java > mono | Feb 27 04:35 |
Diablo-D3 | java 6 is. | Feb 27 04:35 |
DaemonFC | Java 7 seems like it's taking forever | Feb 27 04:35 |
DaemonFC | I remember them talking about it when Fedora 7 came out | Feb 27 04:35 |
ender2070 | openjdk !=java6 | Feb 27 04:35 |
DaemonFC | and they used IcedTea | Feb 27 04:35 |
Diablo-D3 | actually it does | Feb 27 04:35 |
ender2070 | no | Feb 27 04:35 |
ender2070 | actually it doesnt | Feb 27 04:35 |
ender2070 | there is missing stuff | Feb 27 04:35 |
Diablo-D3 | several builds of sun's java6 have infact shipped using the openjdk tree | Feb 27 04:35 |
Diablo-D3 | and that so called "missing stuff" isnt. | Feb 27 04:36 |
ender2070 | openjdk + other stuff | Feb 27 04:36 |
Diablo-D3 | theres like one item that actually is that NO ONE USES AND DOESNT EVEN WORK ANYHOW | Feb 27 04:36 |
Diablo-D3 | and has been officially depreciated since before 5. | Feb 27 04:36 |
DaemonFC | Well, OpenJDK + the IcedTea project has provided a completely open source and compatible Java runtime | Feb 27 04:36 |
Diablo-D3 | so yes, in fact, it is openjdk. | Feb 27 04:36 |
DaemonFC | am I right? | Feb 27 04:36 |
Diablo-D3 | end of story. | Feb 27 04:36 |
ender2070 | I heard from Sun that Java7 will be GPL3 | Feb 27 04:36 |
Diablo-D3 | ender2070: its the same license java6 is. | Feb 27 04:36 |
Diablo-D3 | quit saying stuff "you heard" | Feb 27 04:37 |
Diablo-D3 | sun has no intention of updating the license. | Feb 27 04:37 |
ender2070 | show me then | Feb 27 04:37 |
Diablo-D3 | show you what? | Feb 27 04:37 |
ender2070 | show me some sort of proof | Feb 27 04:37 |
Diablo-D3 | that you're an idiot? | Feb 27 04:37 |
ender2070 | i've read sun's words | Feb 27 04:37 |
Diablo-D3 | so have I | Feb 27 04:37 |
Diablo-D3 | and I also know employees who work for sunacle. | Feb 27 04:37 |
ender2070 | show me this open source java 6 | Feb 27 04:37 |
Diablo-D3 | ender2070: are you fucking retarded? | Feb 27 04:37 |
Diablo-D3 | its openjdk. | Feb 27 04:38 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, OpenJDK | Feb 27 04:38 |
DaemonFC | Fedora uses it | Feb 27 04:38 |
DaemonFC | has for some time | Feb 27 04:38 |
DaemonFC | complete with browser plugin | Feb 27 04:38 |
Diablo-D3 | they have been shipping the 6 branch of openjdk for atleast 3 or 4 builds | Feb 27 04:38 |
Diablo-D3 | its in the fucking release notes | Feb 27 04:39 |
Diablo-D3 | slashdot had a big write up about it | Feb 27 04:39 |
Diablo-D3 | ars technica covered it | Feb 27 04:39 |
Diablo-D3 | wired covered it | Feb 27 04:39 |
Diablo-D3 | where the fuck have you been | Feb 27 04:39 |
ender2070 | i was under the impression its not 100% | Feb 27 04:40 |
Diablo-D3 | it is | Feb 27 04:40 |
Diablo-D3 | the one single missing component doesn't work and no one ever used it | Feb 27 04:41 |
ender2070 | then why is it missing from every distro | Feb 27 04:41 |
Diablo-D3 | its some midi play back shit | Feb 27 04:41 |
Diablo-D3 | ender2070: um, since when? | Feb 27 04:41 |
Diablo-D3 | i can apt-get sun-java6 | Feb 27 04:41 |
Diablo-D3 | quit trolling | Feb 27 04:41 |
ender2070 | shut up | Feb 27 04:41 |
ender2070 | so im wrong | Feb 27 04:41 |
ender2070 | get a fucking life | Feb 27 04:41 |
Diablo-D3 | I've had this discussion with you before! | Feb 27 04:41 |
ender2070 | no, you haven't | Feb 27 04:41 |
Diablo-D3 | this channel has had this discussion with me about 20 fucking times! | Feb 27 04:42 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu is still stupid about Java | Feb 27 04:42 |
DaemonFC | they need to cut off Sun Java totally | Feb 27 04:42 |
ender2070 | i don't listen to half the shit you say, and i'm not here 24/7 | Feb 27 04:42 |
ziggyfish | DaemonFC, explain? | Feb 27 04:42 |
DaemonFC | ziggyfish, IcedTea | Feb 27 04:42 |
*Diablo-D3 seriously ponders taking this channel off his autojoin | Feb 27 04:43 | |
Diablo-D3 | too many goddamned trolls | Feb 27 04:43 |
DaemonFC | ziggyfish, IcedTea has a browser plug-in on x86-64, Java doesn't. IcedTea is free software, Java isn't | Feb 27 04:44 |
DaemonFC | IcedTea passes Java compliance tests | Feb 27 04:44 |
ziggyfish | DaemonFC, didn't Sun open source java a while back? | Feb 27 04:44 |
DaemonFC | there's no reason Ubuntu should still foist nonfree Java on people | Feb 27 04:44 |
Diablo-D3 | ziggyfish: everyone has DaemonFC on ignore | Feb 27 04:44 |
DaemonFC | ziggyfish, Most of it. IcedTea completed that | Feb 27 04:45 |
ziggyfish | Diablo-D3, how do I do that? | Feb 27 04:45 |
DaemonFC | Java won't be fully free until version 7 | Feb 27 04:45 |
ziggyfish | Diablo-D3, I use XChat | Feb 27 04:45 |
ender2070 | usually its /ignore | Feb 27 04:46 |
DaemonFC | yeah, that's it | Feb 27 04:46 |
Diablo-D3 | ziggyfish: right click his name | Feb 27 04:46 |
Diablo-D3 | its in the menu | Feb 27 04:46 |
DaemonFC | Diablo-D3 is kind of a shithead though | Feb 27 04:46 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "People are good and trustworthy and generally just concerned with getting through the day," Craig Newmark #craigslist | Feb 27 04:47 | |
ender2070 | sometimes | Feb 27 04:47 |
DaemonFC | oh what am I saying, he's in Maine, of course he's a shithead | Feb 27 04:47 |
ziggyfish | found it | Feb 27 04:47 |
DaemonFC | and an arrogant SOB too | Feb 27 04:47 |
Diablo-D3 | or just /ignore DaemonFC!*@* | Feb 27 04:47 |
DaemonFC | that only ignores me if I don't change my name | Feb 27 04:47 |
DaemonFC | don't worry, I won't change my name just so you have to listen to me | Feb 27 04:48 |
ender2070 | change ur name for jokes | Feb 27 04:48 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 27 04:48 |
ziggyfish | Done | Feb 27 04:48 |
Diablo-D3 | oh, that accepts normal irc banmask strings | Feb 27 04:49 |
Diablo-D3 | I can ignore his entire isp. | Feb 27 04:49 |
DaemonFC | and I care why? | Feb 27 04:49 |
DaemonFC | /ignore Diablo-D3's mother | Feb 27 04:49 |
DaemonFC | dammit, foiled again | Feb 27 04:50 |
DaemonFC | I wonder if there's a way I can ignore everyone from Maine | Feb 27 04:51 |
ender2070 | yeah | Feb 27 04:51 |
DaemonFC | o rly? | Feb 27 04:51 |
ziggyfish | nice now I don't have to switch back every 5 mins to read some crap message | Feb 27 04:51 |
Diablo-D3 | ziggyfish: the problem isnt that hes a troll | Feb 27 04:52 |
ender2070 | you would need to find the hostname string of every maine isp though | Feb 27 04:52 |
Diablo-D3 | its that he isnt even a good troll | Feb 27 04:52 |
DaemonFC | uhhhm, it only highlights someone if I name them | Feb 27 04:52 |
DaemonFC | not worth the trouble | Feb 27 04:52 |
ender2070 | not if they are using a crap irc client | Feb 27 04:52 |
Diablo-D3 | ender2070: he lives in indiana | Feb 27 04:52 |
DaemonFC | besides, silencing that peckerhead would mean the entire room would be out of context whenever someone said something to him or vice versa | Feb 27 04:53 |
ender2070 | Diablo-D3 hes talking about blocking everyone from maine | Feb 27 04:53 |
ziggyfish | Diablo-D3, that explains everything | Feb 27 04:53 |
Diablo-D3 | who? TrollFC? | Feb 27 04:53 |
DaemonFC | I don't really block anyone, no matter how stupid | Feb 27 04:53 |
DaemonFC | I just don't | Feb 27 04:54 |
ender2070 | yeah but hes just talking about it | Feb 27 04:54 |
ender2070 | he said he doesnt block anyone | Feb 27 04:54 |
Diablo-D3 | hed have a pretty long ignore list | Feb 27 04:54 |
Diablo-D3 | we have like 9000 isps up here | Feb 27 04:54 |
ziggyfish | Diablo-D3, why doesn't someone kick him off the channel? | Feb 27 04:54 |
ender2070 | nice | Feb 27 04:54 |
ender2070 | Canada has a monopoly of like 5 | Feb 27 04:54 |
Diablo-D3 | ziggyfish: because roy, as awesome as he is, is sometimes a colossal faggot about things | Feb 27 04:54 |
DaemonFC | Because I'd just be back anyway | Feb 27 04:55 |
DaemonFC | bans are weak and never work for anything more than spambots and lamers | Feb 27 04:55 |
DaemonFC | if I get banned from somewhere and don't come back, it means I'm bored | Feb 27 04:55 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 27 04:56 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Seriously, you have no idea how many times I've pissed off ops in ubuntu offtopic and come right back | Feb 27 04:57 |
DaemonFC | hell, I have no idea | Feb 27 04:57 |
ender2070 | lol ubuntu offtopic eh | Feb 27 04:58 |
ender2070 | im glad we're not the only victims | Feb 27 04:58 |
DaemonFC | they always think they're clever too, like they were the Scooby Doo gang and they unmasked the squid man | Feb 27 04:58 |
ender2070 | is that where u say | Feb 27 04:59 |
ender2070 | "I would've gotten away with my trolling if it weren't for those damned kids" | Feb 27 04:59 |
DaemonFC | I would have gotten away with it too | Feb 27 04:59 |
DaemonFC | yep | Feb 27 04:59 |
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DaemonFC | Is it just me or is Caprica just meh | Feb 27 05:01 |
DaemonFC | I wonder if it gets as far as season 2 | Feb 27 05:02 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @lincomlinux: Thoughts on !GNOME 3: really not that crazy about it, although it really is slow #linux #ubuntu #fedora | Feb 27 05:02 | |
ender2070 | i lost interest in BSG after they found that planet and they totally fucked with the plot | Feb 27 05:04 |
DaemonFC | I missed the entire series actually | Feb 27 05:04 |
DaemonFC | I'll probably torrent it somewhere | Feb 27 05:04 |
ender2070 | i like terminator and stargate | Feb 27 05:05 |
DaemonFC | the terminator series? | Feb 27 05:05 |
ender2070 | yes | Feb 27 05:05 |
DaemonFC | another one I should get around to torrenting | Feb 27 05:05 |
DaemonFC | xvid ftw | Feb 27 05:05 |
ender2070 | i've only seen the first season | Feb 27 05:06 |
ender2070 | second season just came out on dvd so i'll see it soon | Feb 27 05:06 |
DaemonFC | I just download xvids | Feb 27 05:06 |
DaemonFC | :P | Feb 27 05:06 |
DaemonFC | they're free | Feb 27 05:06 |
ender2070 | my local video rental store will have them | Feb 27 05:07 |
ender2070 | cheap enough | Feb 27 05:07 |
DaemonFC | downloading xvids is faster, easier, free, and works on my DVD player anyway | Feb 27 05:08 |
DaemonFC | I can't remember the last time I rented anything | Feb 27 05:08 |
ender2070 | renting it costs me $5, way faster than downloading and im not breaking any laws | Feb 27 05:09 |
DaemonFC | oh, laws, right | Feb 27 05:09 |
DaemonFC | I knew there was a reason I always bought the DVD | Feb 27 05:09 |
DaemonFC | and never downloaded anything | Feb 27 05:09 |
DaemonFC | ever | Feb 27 05:09 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 27 05:09 |
ender2070 | captain fucking douchebag might quote you out of context | Feb 27 05:10 |
ender2070 | might want to watch it | Feb 27 05:10 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 27 05:10 |
DaemonFC | which particular captain douchebag are you referring to? | Feb 27 05:11 |
DaemonFC | there's a few of them, and some Majors and Generals as well | Feb 27 05:12 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 27 05:12 |
ender2070 | this one peddles dildos | Feb 27 05:12 |
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DaemonFC | Well, I myself being a Lieutenant Colonel in the Douchebag Brigade, do not peddle dildos | Feb 27 05:14 |
DaemonFC | so who could it be? | Feb 27 05:14 |
DaemonFC | it's not schestowitz, cause Diablo-D3 apparently established him as a "faggot" | Feb 27 05:19 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, I want to know, who this person is! | Feb 27 05:20 |
*DaemonFC files a discovery motion against ender2070 to compel him to provide the true identity of alias "captain douchebag" | Feb 27 05:21 | |
ender2070 | maybe u dont know him | Feb 27 05:21 |
DaemonFC | nyaaaaah | Feb 27 05:21 |
ender2070 | he runs the anti bn site | Feb 27 05:21 |
ender2070 | if i say his name he'll see this | Feb 27 05:22 |
DaemonFC | there's a boycott boycott novell? | Feb 27 05:22 |
DaemonFC | I guess so | Feb 27 05:22 |
DaemonFC | oh for crying out loud... | Feb 27 05:23 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 27 05:25 |
DaemonFC | Matt Asay's side project? | Feb 27 05:29 |
DaemonFC | or Paul Thurrott in disguise? | Feb 27 05:29 |
ender2070 | no | Feb 27 05:30 |
ender2070 | bbn | Feb 27 05:30 |
DaemonFC | Canonical should clearly hire Paul Thurrott as their community manager | Feb 27 05:31 |
DaemonFC | He's the one that told the world that ipod would be supporting WMA in 2003 | Feb 27 05:32 |
DaemonFC | *grin* | Feb 27 05:32 |
DaemonFC | "you heard it here first!" (and never again) | Feb 27 05:32 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Acha choo rosy miss naaikutti sethu pochu :( | Feb 27 05:32 | |
DaemonFC | There's a gcn emulator in the Fedora repos? | Feb 27 05:36 |
DaemonFC | sweet | Feb 27 05:36 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 27 05:37 |
DaemonFC | I'm reading some of Icaza's comments about OOXML | Feb 27 05:40 |
DaemonFC | one that particularly interests me is his wanting to support WMFs on Linux | Feb 27 05:40 |
DaemonFC | like the kind that caused much malware proliferation on Windows | Feb 27 05:41 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] back to Delhi. Great workshop at jaipur. will upload pics and videos soon. | Feb 27 05:42 | |
Diablo-D3 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/14/montavista_boasts_1sec_linux_boot/ | Feb 27 05:45 |
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Diablo-D3 | ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff | Feb 27 05:45 |
balzac | guess who is super pissed off? | Feb 27 05:56 |
ender2070 | lol | Feb 27 05:57 |
balzac | me again | Feb 27 05:58 |
balzac | Led Zep has a song called "Sick Again" | Feb 27 05:58 |
balzac | I'm thinking of a new song which could be called "Pissed Again" | Feb 27 05:58 |
balzac | It's so easy to live an irrelevant, meanlingless life | Feb 27 06:00 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] I wonder if when the Olympics are over I'll get my concentration back? No attractive woman wearing skin tights to distract. Argh! | Feb 27 06:01 | |
balzac | I wish I could be catapulted to high social status by punching some rival in his face | Feb 27 06:01 |
balzac | I need to stay keen on the idea because the opportunity may present its self some day | Feb 27 06:01 |
ender2070 | rofl | Feb 27 06:02 |
ender2070 | +1 | Feb 27 06:02 |
DaemonFC | http://s0.ilike.com/play#Megadeth:Angry+Again:54715:s1371434.9633541.2678359.0.2.129%2Cstd_4e241c69f30e42c88d8298904ecfe215 | Feb 27 06:10 |
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DaemonFC | hehe | Feb 27 06:10 |
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TheMadHatter_ | Morning. | Feb 27 06:11 |
ender2070 | morning | Feb 27 06:18 |
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TheMadHatter_ | Anyone watch the woman's curling? | Feb 27 06:27 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Planned to create API-wrapper for identi.ca, seems like the API is twitter compatible, now looking at developing something like tweetdeck | Feb 27 06:27 | |
DaemonFC | TheMadHatter_, I haven't watched any of that shit | Feb 27 06:28 |
DaemonFC | the Olympics are just too politicized | Feb 27 06:29 |
TheMadHatter_ | DaemonFC you should have. The English woman's skip is drool worthy. | Feb 27 06:29 |
DaemonFC | it would almost be funny if it weren't so horrible | Feb 27 06:29 |
ender2070 | i watched for a bit | Feb 27 06:30 |
ender2070 | i hate tv though | Feb 27 06:30 |
ender2070 | i even get brainwashed when other people around me watch it | Feb 27 06:30 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, Yeah, Madworld is awesome though | Feb 27 06:30 |
TheMadHatter_ | AH, but for beautiful women, I'll put up with a lot. | Feb 27 06:30 |
DaemonFC | get Madworld | Feb 27 06:30 |
TheMadHatter_ | And Eve Muirhead is a total knockout. | Feb 27 06:31 |
TheMadHatter_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Muirhead | Feb 27 06:37 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/27/health/policy/27health.html | Feb 27 07:41 |
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DaemonFC | if at first you don't succeed, ram ram it through | Feb 27 07:41 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 07:41 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #VTV : Complete. Highly practical plot .Gud script.Perfect cast. Awesome. 4/5 i say, worth your money. /@g33f Yes its practical :D | Feb 27 07:42 | |
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DaemonFC | hmmm, the UK has teabaggers now | Feb 27 07:48 |
DaemonFC | oh shit | Feb 27 07:48 |
ender2070 | lol? | Feb 27 07:50 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, I saw a few articles about teabaggers in the UK now | Feb 27 07:56 |
DaemonFC | they're having a meeting... | Feb 27 07:56 |
DaemonFC | I think they already had that and call it the BNP though | Feb 27 07:57 |
DaemonFC | so I'm not sure that it's news | Feb 27 07:57 |
DaemonFC | uneducated white supremacists with an anti-tax platform | Feb 27 07:58 |
DaemonFC | ender2070, I may go to the teabagger rally on April 15th | Feb 27 08:00 |
DaemonFC | hold up a sign saying "I'm not with the stupid assholes here" | Feb 27 08:01 |
DaemonFC | how's that? | Feb 27 08:01 |
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ender2070 | lol | Feb 27 08:37 |
DaemonFC | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61P15H20100226?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r2:c0.096774:b31158252:z0 | Feb 27 08:41 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/news/2010/02/100226_microsoft_vs_botnet.shtml | Feb 27 08:44 |
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DaemonFC | unflattering picture | Feb 27 08:44 |
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DaemonFC | ender2070, That guys accent makes me want to punch him | Feb 27 08:47 |
DaemonFC | where the hell do you get an accent that makes you sound like that much of a douche? | Feb 27 08:47 |
DaemonFC | He's clearly from Douchebekistan or something | Feb 27 08:48 |
DaemonFC | clearly | Feb 27 08:48 |
DaemonFC | the BBC is also clearly, out of date | Feb 27 08:50 |
DaemonFC | WMA or RA? jesus | Feb 27 08:50 |
DaemonFC | What is this? 1997? | Feb 27 08:50 |
DaemonFC | should I come back in Netscape 3 at 800 x 600? | Feb 27 08:51 |
ender2070 | no | Feb 27 08:53 |
ender2070 | 640x480 | Feb 27 08:53 |
DaemonFC | not 320 x 200? | Feb 27 08:54 |
DaemonFC | WMA.....the fact that anyone still uses that is preposterous | Feb 27 08:54 |
ender2070 | never underestimate human stupidity | Feb 27 09:01 |
MinceR | winblows never really supported 320x200 :> | Feb 27 09:01 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] FOSSjobs.in team updated http://fossjobs.in/about welcome T. Shrinivasan | Feb 27 09:09 | |
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DaemonFC | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_whsnIzyf9SQ/S4f1Cp0bgBI/AAAAAAAAAOY/BOj3WoMFL5g/s1600-h/22022010109.jpg | Feb 27 09:19 |
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DaemonFC | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_whsnIzyf9SQ/S4f1IOpUk8I/AAAAAAAAAOg/mz9d8l1VL20/s1600-h/22022010110.jpg | Feb 27 09:19 |
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DaemonFC | the fedora cheat cube? | Feb 27 09:19 |
DaemonFC | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_whsnIzyf9SQ/S4f0unN7mpI/AAAAAAAAAOQ/lHI3cT27__U/s1600-h/22022010107.jpg | Feb 27 09:21 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Community == Conversations , | Feb 27 09:34 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] #tedxgurgaon is boring because they are showing old videos. Please ask for speaker, I sure NCR has many ! | Feb 27 09:46 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] ROFL!! > How Twilight Works http://theoatmeal.com/story/twilight from @oatmeal | Feb 27 09:53 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] wow terramoto de 8,8 com direito a tsunami com onda a 800 km por hora. aquilo com que uma pessoa acorda... | Feb 27 10:16 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] .had a great time last night watching Cohen brother's 'a serious man'. not their best but definitely not a waste of time and money. | Feb 27 10:28 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody:Labour contempt innocence http://bit.ly/9Ow4Ao Un-convicted people are just people who haven't been convicte. unbelievable #dna | Feb 27 10:30 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] same in Portugal ♺ @mjray: can't find a uk high st seller of linux netbooks. Is there one? | Feb 27 10:33 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dear Lazywey, Need new in-ear headphones. Not mad expensive ones, not an audiophile. Something better than average though. Recommendations? | Feb 27 10:49 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey not good for your ears/hearing | Feb 27 11:07 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Quantas das minhas 5xN janelas de firefox x tabs poderão dar artigos para o blog do Software Livre? Bom, vamos lá a ver :) | Feb 27 11:19 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Liberals and #atheists are smarter than #religious #republicans http://ur1.ca/nrhl | Feb 27 11:22 | |
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DaemonFC | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703787304575075413484405770.html?mod=googlenews_wsj | Feb 27 11:23 |
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DaemonFC | "Participants who said they were atheists had an average IQ of 103 in adolescence, while adults who said they were religious averaged 97, the study found." | Feb 27 11:31 |
DaemonFC | lol | Feb 27 11:31 |
DaemonFC | http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/02/26/liberals.atheists.sex.intelligence/index.html?hpt=P1 | Feb 27 11:31 |
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schestowitz | Diablo-D3: yes, well... and why would it not be so? | Feb 27 11:42 |
schestowitz | I'm surprised the gap isn't wider, but HEY! It's CNNationlists | Feb 27 11:43 |
schestowitz | Why is there this word 'atheism'? | Feb 27 11:43 |
schestowitz | It makes no sense | Feb 27 11:43 |
schestowitz | It's like saying "unbeliever in ghosts" | Feb 27 11:44 |
schestowitz | "non-believers" is another term uses as mockery | Feb 27 11:44 |
schestowitz | It's charged up with implications | Feb 27 11:44 |
schestowitz | CNN links together Darwinism with liberalism | Feb 27 11:44 |
schestowitz | These are similar things, maybe correlated | Feb 27 11:45 |
schestowitz | It's as though they try to rile up the right-wingers | Feb 27 11:45 |
schestowitz | Hmmmmmmmm... got mail from CHina............... | Feb 27 11:46 |
schestowitz | "Aloha Roy, I hope your doing well and making progress, as below is another article to show how proprietary advocates away the liberties and freedoms of an “open society” with the support of the Microsoft Corporation!" | Feb 27 11:46 |
schestowitz | "As you may have heard about the leaked “Microsoft Global Criminal Compliance Handbook.pdf” (which Microsoft had appropriately name), had raised some questions in the procedures of ordering the take down of the website/s by issuing the Digital Millennium Copyright Act “Demand for Immediate Take-Down: Notice of Infringing Activity” to ISP’s without see supporting court-ordered documents." | Feb 27 11:46 |
schestowitz | "In fact, Cryptome’s hosting provider, Network Solutions, chose to shutter the entire site and lock down the domain name, even before the Thursday deadline for Young to remove the document. Under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, a U.S.-based host is immune to liability if it makes sure the allegedly offending content is taken down during the time that a counter-claim is being considered in court." | Feb 27 11:46 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft's Digital Millennium Copyright Act notices (method of censorship) almost carries the full weight of a court's command on ISPs. On receiving a Microsoft take down notice, an ISP hastily agrees to take down the infringer’s web site rather than demand to see the facts, proof and more importantly settling the matter in court under the legal framework of the laws." | Feb 27 11:46 |
schestowitz | "Similar manuals from other large service providers such as Yahoo and Facebook have also been leaked and published online recently. Of which, Yahoo also had tried unsuccessfully to use the Digital Millennium Copyright Act to suppress its document." | Feb 27 11:46 |
schestowitz | "Why shouldn’t the public and Microsoft's customers have the absolute right to know what information is being retained on their online activities, for how long and under what conditions the information will be provided for criminal or civil matters, regarding how Microsoft keeps user information related to its online services?" | Feb 27 11:46 |
schestowitz | "Sources: 1. http://cryptome.org/0001/ms-spy-takedown.htm 2. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybenjamin/detail??blogid=150&entry_id=5795 3. http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsoft-Pulls-Back-On-Cryptome-Takedown-Request-Over-Leaked-Document-703843/ " | Feb 27 11:46 |
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*DaemonFC suspects schestowitz is a posting bot with ECC Eliza built in | Feb 27 11:48 | |
schestowitz | Nope, just copy and paste | Feb 27 11:50 |
schestowitz | Everything we do it like that | Feb 27 11:50 |
schestowitz | Either mentally or phsically | Feb 27 11:50 |
schestowitz | We see things, we improve our perception and predictive model, then derive from it some new works/thoughts | Feb 27 11:50 |
schestowitz | This is why there is no such thing as original music | Feb 27 11:51 |
schestowitz | Or original article | Feb 27 11:51 |
schestowitz | They are both based on a set of inputs | Feb 27 11:51 |
schestowitz | So they obscure the sources through fusion | Feb 27 11:51 |
schestowitz | At least _I_ actually give all my sources | Feb 27 11:51 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: see this for example: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/27/fortnight-milestone-2-opensuse/ | Feb 27 11:52 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, OpenSuse development is still going on per normal | Feb 27 11:53 |
DaemonFC | their system doesn't totally suck | Feb 27 11:54 |
DaemonFC | it's not that unique though, there's not many reasons to use it over anything else | Feb 27 11:54 |
DaemonFC | in fact, my problems with it started with it not having locate by default | Feb 27 11:55 |
DaemonFC | I'm sorry, but that needs to be in the base installation of any distro | Feb 27 11:55 |
DaemonFC | what happens if X can't start and you NEED to find something on the disk? | Feb 27 11:55 |
DaemonFC | that's just almost unfathomable that they don't have it by default | Feb 27 11:56 |
schestowitz | SUSE has KDE developers | Feb 27 12:07 |
schestowitz | Unlike Canonical | Feb 27 12:07 |
schestowitz | More like Mandriva | Feb 27 12:07 |
schestowitz | Canonica... how many on the Kubuntu team? | Feb 27 12:07 |
schestowitz | *cal | Feb 27 12:07 |
DaemonFC | I don't know | Feb 27 12:07 |
DaemonFC | a handful | Feb 27 12:08 |
schestowitz | I'll ask jono later | Feb 27 12:08 |
DaemonFC | less than 10 I'd imagine | Feb 27 12:08 |
DaemonFC | There's Jonathon Riddle, a few others I've seen | Feb 27 12:09 |
DaemonFC | Canonical doesn't really take KDE all that seriously | Feb 27 12:09 |
DaemonFC | Kubuntu does feel kind of amateurish | Feb 27 12:09 |
DaemonFC | not that that's any worse than getting a bucket of crap style makeover that they're doing to GNOME | Feb 27 12:10 |
DaemonFC | *shrug* | Feb 27 12:10 |
DaemonFC | I think vanilla GNOME works just fine, but Canonical is developing their little torture devices and sticking them in there | Feb 27 12:11 |
DaemonFC | it actually reduces usability, but you can't tell them that | Feb 27 12:13 |
DaemonFC | a lot of it just involves duplication of functionality that GNOME already has or splitting things up into more drop down menus | Feb 27 12:13 |
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schestowitz | Nope. | Feb 27 12:16 |
schestowitz | You're just bitter | Feb 27 12:16 |
DaemonFC | about them breaking GNOME and making it less coherent? yeah | Feb 27 12:18 |
schestowitz | What about Mandriva? | Feb 27 12:25 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey @fabsh that's what I've ben reading/told http://ur1.ca/nrlt http://ur1.ca/nrlu | Feb 27 12:26 | |
schestowitz | They don't ship 'vanilla' either, IIRC | Feb 27 12:26 |
schestowitz | And Debian | Feb 27 12:26 |
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DaemonFC | more or less | Feb 27 12:26 |
DaemonFC | I basically mean those crapplets that Ubuntu has that are trying to replace pieces of GNOME and end up making things more complicated or breaking something | Feb 27 12:26 |
DaemonFC | nobody else has broken GNOME like that | Feb 27 12:27 |
DaemonFC | though I'm not too crazy about what OpenSuse has done, but it fails to compare because it's easy enough to set it back the way it should be | Feb 27 12:28 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu has patched things to death, to the point where you can't turn the crapplets off because things need them in order to put their icon in the system tray | Feb 27 12:28 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey @fabsh better link maybe: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/2118/in-ear-bud-headphones-damage-your | Feb 27 12:29 | |
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DaemonFC | there's no way to make Rhythmbox live in the tray anymore unless you have the Ubuntu crapplets on | Feb 27 12:29 |
DaemonFC | same for Empathy | Feb 27 12:29 |
schestowitz | http://blog.hifiheadphones.co.uk/2008/03/06/are-in-ear-headphones-ear-canal-headphones-safe/ "The concern is whether ear canal earphones cause sound pressure levels that are too high and therefore cause hearing damage." | Feb 27 12:29 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, If you're not being an idiot with the volume, you're probably fine | Feb 27 12:30 |
DaemonFC | that's my guess | Feb 27 12:30 |
schestowitz | Those audiophiles also experiment with phones | Feb 27 12:30 |
schestowitz | We don't know the long-term effects yet, but we get early signs/symptoms and it doesn't look so good | Feb 27 12:30 |
schestowitz | My uncle in Florida is almost deaf from canon thundering | Feb 27 12:31 |
DaemonFC | I just have some Koss earbuds, not special, just better than what came with the Sansa | Feb 27 12:31 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: popey uses it to listen to speech | Feb 27 12:31 |
schestowitz | But I reckon he would do music too | Feb 27 12:31 |
DaemonFC | speech probably wouldn't hurt him | Feb 27 12:31 |
schestowitz | As a teenager I would blast my ears off with the RCA tuner/walkman | Feb 27 12:31 |
schestowitz | It would damage my earing | Feb 27 12:31 |
schestowitz | Ringing, short-term loss | Feb 27 12:32 |
DaemonFC | well, there's a huge difference in classical music to metallica | Feb 27 12:32 |
DaemonFC | but a lot of it is the volume | Feb 27 12:32 |
schestowitz | The night clubs here have new volume rgulations IIRC | Feb 27 12:32 |
schestowitz | I used to go slightly deaf (as did others) in some clubs here | Feb 27 12:32 |
schestowitz | And smelling like cigarettes too | Feb 27 12:32 |
schestowitz | That latter problem is resolved now | Feb 27 12:32 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, No noise restrictions here. When I go to After Dark, it's like I went to Abu Ghraib | Feb 27 12:32 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: drum beats, yeah.. | Feb 27 12:32 |
DaemonFC | and I'll tell them where Osama is at if they turn it down | Feb 27 12:33 |
DaemonFC | lol | Feb 27 12:33 |
schestowitz | heh | Feb 27 12:33 |
schestowitz | Going out for a drink here used to involve coming back smelling like tobacco smoke, having hoarse voice from the smoke, and being deaf for at least half a day | Feb 27 12:34 |
schestowitz | Been there, done that. Damage done. | Feb 27 12:34 |
DaemonFC | no smoking allowed | Feb 27 12:34 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: then again you carry your gun to clubs | Feb 27 12:34 |
DaemonFC | they fine you $100 for smoking inside a public establishment now | Feb 27 12:34 |
DaemonFC | at least in Fort Wayne | Feb 27 12:34 |
DaemonFC | yeah, you can do that unless the owner objects | Feb 27 12:35 |
DaemonFC | I know him :) | Feb 27 12:35 |
DaemonFC | uhhhm, that much alcohol and a loaded gun are probably not a great idea | Feb 27 12:36 |
DaemonFC | but oh well | Feb 27 12:36 |
DaemonFC | I remember the first time I went there, and had to have the guy driving the taxi pull over 4-5 times on the way back so I could lean out and puke | Feb 27 12:37 |
DaemonFC | that's actually kind of funny now | Feb 27 12:37 |
DaemonFC | then you wake up the next day dehydrated with the sun beating down on you through the window | Feb 27 12:39 |
DaemonFC | that's the worst part of it all | Feb 27 12:39 |
DaemonFC | well, if you're lucky | Feb 27 12:40 |
DaemonFC | yeah, I doubt the music is the worst thing your body has been through after an evening like that | Feb 27 12:41 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'd say limit the volume, watch the death metal | Feb 27 12:43 |
schestowitz | So you can't smoke in the public arena but you can carry guns | Feb 27 12:44 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I can carry a gun anywhere that doesn't explicitly forbid it | Feb 27 12:44 |
DaemonFC | with the exception of courts, the post office, etc. | Feb 27 12:44 |
schestowitz | You're high in gun crime | Feb 27 12:44 |
schestowitz | And this is why | Feb 27 12:45 |
DaemonFC | I've carried it in Walmart before | Feb 27 12:45 |
schestowitz | Zealous NRA would object to change | Feb 27 12:45 |
schestowitz | Post Office? Why? | Feb 27 12:45 |
DaemonFC | that's not why | Feb 27 12:45 |
DaemonFC | you've even disagreed with yourself jsut now | Feb 27 12:45 |
DaemonFC | that post about Microsoft trying to legislate criminals being ineffective because they have no regard for the law to begin with | Feb 27 12:46 |
DaemonFC | gun laws work the same way | Feb 27 12:46 |
schestowitz | But anyway, gun crime and terror~1 pales in comparison to cancer and traffic accidents | Feb 27 12:46 |
schestowitz | We need a "war on cancer" | Feb 27 12:46 |
schestowitz | Support heathcare/public option | Feb 27 12:46 |
DaemonFC | tell me what kind of criminal would bother to follow the legal path to gun ownership? | Feb 27 12:47 |
schestowitz | Confiscation | Feb 27 12:47 |
DaemonFC | or do criminals just illegally buy more firepower than the cops have? | Feb 27 12:47 |
DaemonFC | I think so | Feb 27 12:47 |
schestowitz | "oh man, them gonna gets me gun, I don't like them liberals me..." | Feb 27 12:47 |
DaemonFC | I have it, they're not taking it | Feb 27 12:47 |
schestowitz | People don't have freedom to kill | Feb 27 12:48 |
schestowitz | That's what guns do | Feb 27 12:48 |
schestowitz | Total freedom is not possible | Feb 27 12:48 |
schestowitz | But there are tautologies | Feb 27 12:48 |
DaemonFC | I haven't committed any felonies, so I have the right to own a gun | Feb 27 12:48 |
DaemonFC | until I commit a felony, I have the right | Feb 27 12:48 |
schestowitz | You don't just kill another animal unless you eat it to survive or something | Feb 27 12:48 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're a loaded gun then | Feb 27 12:49 |
schestowitz | And you don't need a gun | Feb 27 12:49 |
schestowitz | I can't imagine a circumstance where it will improve personal/national security | Feb 27 12:49 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, And the only purpose of karate is to kill | Feb 27 12:49 |
schestowitz | An armor might | Feb 27 12:49 |
DaemonFC | it's never to defend yourself | Feb 27 12:49 |
DaemonFC | learning karate makes you a criminal | Feb 27 12:49 |
schestowitz | Or boost to your immune system | Feb 27 12:49 |
DaemonFC | and you can kill with a chainsaw | Feb 27 12:49 |
schestowitz | Karate is junk | Feb 27 12:50 |
DaemonFC | shouldn't those be against the law? | Feb 27 12:50 |
schestowitz | It's dancing | Feb 27 12:50 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: knives too | Feb 27 12:50 |
schestowitz | But they are hard to mass-kill with | Feb 27 12:50 |
DaemonFC | just because some criminals use guns doesn't make gun owners criminals | Feb 27 12:50 |
schestowitz | You can't just walk out and buy bombs for obvious reasons | Feb 27 12:50 |
DaemonFC | I see your little guilt by association fallacy | Feb 27 12:50 |
schestowitz | Or grenades | Feb 27 12:50 |
schestowitz | And it's reasonable to prevent access to these | Feb 27 12:50 |
schestowitz | They don't promote public good | Feb 27 12:51 |
DaemonFC | no it's not | Feb 27 12:51 |
DaemonFC | cause criminals will still have them | Feb 27 12:51 |
schestowitz | Beyong enemy lines they can sometimes be judtified | Feb 27 12:51 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: no | Feb 27 12:51 |
schestowitz | Not here | Feb 27 12:51 |
schestowitz | Not in Europe | Feb 27 12:51 |
DaemonFC | criminals will buy them even if law abiding people can't | Feb 27 12:51 |
schestowitz | Unless you're in the military service | Feb 27 12:51 |
DaemonFC | that's simply the facts | Feb 27 12:51 |
schestowitz | Few would | Feb 27 12:51 |
DaemonFC | criminals will get them imported from Mexico if they had to | Feb 27 12:52 |
schestowitz | I was in Florida buying an air rifle over the counter | Feb 27 12:52 |
schestowitz | Some people buy shotguns like this after cool-off perdiod | Feb 27 12:52 |
schestowitz | In SPORTS shops | Feb 27 12:52 |
DaemonFC | a 16 year old can buy an air rifle | Feb 27 12:52 |
DaemonFC | so? | Feb 27 12:52 |
schestowitz | It's the national sport.... shooting stuff | Feb 27 12:52 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: I was 15 | Feb 27 12:52 |
schestowitz | But my mom's cousin was with me | Feb 27 12:52 |
DaemonFC | buying a shotgun isn't a big deal | Feb 27 12:53 |
schestowitz | It is | Feb 27 12:53 |
schestowitz | See stats on gun crime in the US | Feb 27 12:53 |
schestowitz | Orders of magnitude above that of other developed nations | Feb 27 12:53 |
DaemonFC | doesn't matter | Feb 27 12:53 |
schestowitz | Your mom was mugged | Feb 27 12:53 |
DaemonFC | why do you only want to disarm legal gun owners? | Feb 27 12:53 |
schestowitz | What is those gypsies had guns? | Feb 27 12:53 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, In France, yes | Feb 27 12:54 |
DaemonFC | by KNIFE OWNERS ZOMG!!! | Feb 27 12:54 |
schestowitz | yeah, so? | Feb 27 12:54 |
schestowitz | Not as deadly | Feb 27 12:54 |
DaemonFC | gun laws really fucking stop that don't they? | Feb 27 12:54 |
schestowitz | Yes | Feb 27 12:54 |
DaemonFC | idiots over in Europe | Feb 27 12:54 |
schestowitz | Fewer guns out there | Feb 27 12:54 |
schestowitz | You're all awash with guns | Feb 27 12:54 |
DaemonFC | oh, shot or stabbed, you're just as dead | Feb 27 12:54 |
DaemonFC | like I said, Euro liberals | Feb 27 12:55 |
schestowitz | You just open some dressers in an arbitrary house in Texas and find one, along with a guitar and cowboy hat | Feb 27 12:55 |
DaemonFC | disarm the people who don't break the law | Feb 27 12:55 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: few fatalities here | Feb 27 12:55 |
schestowitz | Watch the stastics | Feb 27 12:55 |
DaemonFC | leave the criminals to get weapons anyway | Feb 27 12:55 |
DaemonFC | you don't live next to a third world country | Feb 27 12:55 |
schestowitz | Stop being a thick Alex Jones-like ignorasmus | Feb 27 12:55 |
DaemonFC | there's no laws in Mexico | Feb 27 12:55 |
DaemonFC | they'll turn you into a taco | Feb 27 12:55 |
schestowitz | We have very little crime here that's lethal | Feb 27 12:55 |
schestowitz | Mugging is nothing | Feb 27 12:55 |
DaemonFC | mugging is rampant there because they know you're easy pickings | Feb 27 12:56 |
DaemonFC | pushovers | Feb 27 12:56 |
DaemonFC | liberals even :) | Feb 27 12:56 |
schestowitz | Like you aren't........ | Feb 27 12:56 |
schestowitz | Rob Weir was mugged in Geneva | Feb 27 12:56 |
DaemonFC | I'll shoot the fucker | Feb 27 12:56 |
schestowitz | 3 people from the BRM did, IIRC | Feb 27 12:56 |
DaemonFC | dead | Feb 27 12:56 |
schestowitz | 2008 | Feb 27 12:56 |
DaemonFC | they're not going to mess with me | Feb 27 12:56 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: he might shoot you first | Feb 27 12:56 |
DaemonFC | I'll teach them what a mistake they've made | Feb 27 12:57 |
schestowitz | So instead of exchanging wallets you exchange bullets | Feb 27 12:57 |
schestowitz | How is that any better? | Feb 27 12:57 |
DaemonFC | because I'll take my chances rather than get left for dead after he takes my wallet | Feb 27 12:57 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 12:57 |
DaemonFC | I'd rather have a fighting chance than no chance | Feb 27 12:58 |
schestowitz | No | Feb 27 12:58 |
schestowitz | Your argument is weak | Feb 27 12:58 |
DaemonFC | the muggers here will cut you up and mail you home in pieces | Feb 27 12:58 |
DaemonFC | they aren't like your muggers apparently | Feb 27 12:58 |
schestowitz | Muggers don't take your money and then shoot you | Feb 27 12:58 |
DaemonFC | sure they do | Feb 27 12:58 |
schestowitz | Cause they have guns | Feb 27 12:58 |
DaemonFC | if I really though it was just going to be my wallet, I'd fork it over | Feb 27 12:59 |
DaemonFC | that's just not likely the case | Feb 27 12:59 |
schestowitz | OK, this is off topic | Feb 27 12:59 |
DaemonFC | staying out of those neighborhoods is a good idea anyway | Feb 27 13:00 |
DaemonFC | a friend of mine once had to call the cops cause there was a burglar breaking in | Feb 27 13:00 |
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DaemonFC | it took them 35 minutes to get out there | Feb 27 13:01 |
DaemonFC | yeehaw | Feb 27 13:01 |
DaemonFC | a pizza can get to you faster than the police | Feb 27 13:02 |
DaemonFC | why is gun ownership such a bad idea in that case? | Feb 27 13:02 |
DaemonFC | someone can kick down your door, kill you, and have 33.5 minutes to go before the cops get there | Feb 27 13:03 |
DaemonFC | I don't trust them | Feb 27 13:03 |
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DaemonFC | I'd rather introduce the bad guy to the Remington model 870 12 gauge | Feb 27 13:04 |
DaemonFC | if more people owned guns, I think there would be far less crime | Feb 27 13:05 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: the right thing to do is escape the house | Feb 27 13:05 |
schestowitz | Better ending up robbed then injured or dead | Feb 27 13:05 |
schestowitz | *than | Feb 27 13:05 |
DaemonFC | simply because the bad guys would know there was a good chance they wouldn't live to regret what they were planning | Feb 27 13:05 |
schestowitz | Burglars don't mind dying | Feb 27 13:06 |
DaemonFC | sure they do | Feb 27 13:06 |
schestowitz | That's where you are wrong | Feb 27 13:06 |
schestowitz | They have less to lose | Feb 27 13:06 |
DaemonFC | they'll find the easiest target they think there is | Feb 27 13:06 |
schestowitz | And having more guns won't make you safer | Feb 27 13:06 |
DaemonFC | like any good scavenger | Feb 27 13:06 |
schestowitz | You're talking NRA bulletpoints | Feb 27 13:06 |
schestowitz | Let's change the subject | Feb 27 13:06 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Speaking of Europe, the European Union is now trying to dictate the volume levels on the Sansa | Feb 27 13:10 |
DaemonFC | the latest firmware complies with some kind of order from them that is legally bogus here | Feb 27 13:10 |
DaemonFC | apparently the European Union has nothing better to do than dick around and micro-manage every aspect of life for the people under them | Feb 27 13:11 |
DaemonFC | I've never seen the US government tell me how loud I can listen to my music "for my own good" | Feb 27 13:12 |
DaemonFC | the EU is such a disgusting affront to libertarianism | Feb 27 13:13 |
schestowitz | Oh, shoosh you! :-) | Feb 27 13:14 |
DaemonFC | I'm sure the EU invests heavily in propaganda for the people under its control | Feb 27 13:14 |
schestowitz | I already know you hate Europe | Feb 27 13:14 |
DaemonFC | makes you think their micro-managment really is good for you | Feb 27 13:14 |
schestowitz | But you never in your life left north America | Feb 27 13:14 |
DaemonFC | why should I? | Feb 27 13:15 |
schestowitz | Maybe that's why you're so resentful t/w the rest of the world | Feb 27 13:15 |
DaemonFC | it makes no sense to leave when most of the world is as fucked up or worse | Feb 27 13:15 |
schestowitz | The systems here are more prudent | Feb 27 13:15 |
schestowitz | In west Europe at least | Feb 27 13:15 |
schestowitz | Yours is the wild west | Feb 27 13:15 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, You're in the Demolition Man future world | Feb 27 13:15 |
schestowitz | Running huge deficits at the moment and maintaining bogus dominance by bombing other countries | Feb 27 13:15 |
DaemonFC | that's the kind of government I imagine when I think of the EU | Feb 27 13:16 |
DaemonFC | you have the kind of government where nobody even questions when the government can tel lyou what to eat | Feb 27 13:16 |
DaemonFC | or how loud the music can be | Feb 27 13:16 |
schestowitz | http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/26/senate.jobless.benefits/?hpt=T1 | Feb 27 13:16 |
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DaemonFC | or what color to shit | Feb 27 13:16 |
schestowitz | That's what I have in mind | Feb 27 13:17 |
schestowitz | You have abject poverty there | Feb 27 13:17 |
schestowitz | It's hidden by the Hollywood Machine{Tm} | Feb 27 13:17 |
schestowitz | I know the slums | Feb 27 13:17 |
DaemonFC | yeah, what about the unemployment in France? | Feb 27 13:17 |
DaemonFC | the anti-youth employment laws | Feb 27 13:17 |
DaemonFC | those riots that were going on a few years ago? | Feb 27 13:17 |
schestowitz | France doesn't measure it the same way | Feb 27 13:17 |
schestowitz | Yours 'expires' after some months | Feb 27 13:17 |
DaemonFC | so doesn't high unemployment bring poverty in Europe? | Feb 27 13:18 |
DaemonFC | or do you just print your own money and not have to work? | Feb 27 13:18 |
schestowitz | I don't think it's as high | Feb 27 13:18 |
schestowitz | Except in Spain | Feb 27 13:18 |
schestowitz | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/rawstory/gKpz/~3/WkdiBhlmTbw/ | Feb 27 13:19 |
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schestowitz | That's the type of stuff ruining your country | Feb 27 13:19 |
schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/gop-rep-implies-blacks-slavery/ | Feb 27 13:19 |
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schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/cbshosted-antiabortion-ads/ | Feb 27 13:20 |
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DaemonFC | the EU projects a 10.2% unemployment rate this year | Feb 27 13:20 |
DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&ved=0CBYQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fec.europa.eu%2Fsocial%2FBlobServlet%3FdocId%3D4387%26langId%3Den&ei=NRqJS_rzPJPeNf2yrKYB&usg=AFQjCNEmeq04P08xbdFRH1i3qb6zetF01Q&sig2=nm1PDEem9tsRUZJ57OjHDw | Feb 27 13:21 |
schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/02/oreilly-sarah-palin-college/ "Appearing on ABC's "Good Morning America" on Thursday, O'Reilly told George Stephanopoulos that if Palin wants to be a serious political contender for the 2012 elections, she should hit the books." | Feb 27 13:21 |
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DaemonFC | page 6 of that PDF shows that some countries in the EU are over 20% | Feb 27 13:21 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: do they measure it like the US does? | Feb 27 13:21 |
schestowitz | http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm | Feb 27 13:22 |
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DaemonFC | the US hasn't had unemployment going up that much due to job loss lately | Feb 27 13:22 |
schestowitz | It's funny | Feb 27 13:22 |
DaemonFC | it's mostly because they keep signing unemployment extensions | Feb 27 13:22 |
schestowitz | In your system, when jobs are lost unemployment can decline | Feb 27 13:22 |
DaemonFC | people milk their unemployment | Feb 27 13:22 |
schestowitz | As it did some months ago | Feb 27 13:22 |
DaemonFC | a lot of people that have been riding the unemployment gravy train for a full year are just milking it | Feb 27 13:23 |
DaemonFC | it's not hard to do | Feb 27 13:23 |
schestowitz | No, DaemonFC, unemployment declines | Feb 27 13:23 |
schestowitz | But your jobs were lost | Feb 27 13:23 |
DaemonFC | they'll stay on it as long as the government pays them | Feb 27 13:23 |
schestowitz | it showed how pathetic your metrics have become | Feb 27 13:23 |
schestowitz | It wasn't the same in Great Depression era | Feb 27 13:23 |
schestowitz | When it was measured properly | Feb 27 13:23 |
DaemonFC | yes, there should be more motivation to find work | Feb 27 13:24 |
DaemonFC | there isn't | Feb 27 13:24 |
DaemonFC | that's why people stay on the welfare | Feb 27 13:24 |
DaemonFC | it's welfare when they milk it instead of finding work | Feb 27 13:24 |
schestowitz | Are you working at a store? | Feb 27 13:24 |
DaemonFC | people refuse to take jobs they consider "below them" | Feb 27 13:24 |
DaemonFC | so they just keep taking unemployment | Feb 27 13:24 |
DaemonFC | that's really all there is to it | Feb 27 13:25 |
schestowitz | Are you working at a store? | Feb 27 13:25 |
DaemonFC | they think they're too damned good to shovel some shit | Feb 27 13:25 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, I've milked unemployment before. | Feb 27 13:25 |
DaemonFC | Why not? It's too easy. | Feb 27 13:26 |
DaemonFC | Everyone else gets to do it | Feb 27 13:26 |
DaemonFC | it's not cause I was considering myself too good to shovel shit | Feb 27 13:26 |
DaemonFC | cause I've done that kind of work too, when I had to | Feb 27 13:26 |
schestowitz | Are you working at a store? | Feb 27 13:27 |
DaemonFC | these people will be on unemployment for 10 years if the government lets them | Feb 27 13:27 |
DaemonFC | you just mark my words | Feb 27 13:27 |
DaemonFC | the more people the government lets stay on unemployment forever, the bigger the numbers will get | Feb 27 13:27 |
DaemonFC | if people stay in the safety net, there will be more people in the safety net | Feb 27 13:27 |
DaemonFC | if nobody makes them leave, they will pile up indefinitely | Feb 27 13:28 |
DaemonFC | by continuing to pay this kind of stuff out, the government is creating a permanent underclass | Feb 27 13:29 |
DaemonFC | unemployment benefits used to be temporary, 6 months | Feb 27 13:29 |
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DaemonFC | now some people have been on it 18 months and going on another extension | Feb 27 13:29 |
DaemonFC | if the government extends unemployment 6 more months, some people won't have had to look for work in 2 years | Feb 27 13:30 |
DaemonFC | TWO years | Feb 27 13:30 |
schestowitz | When I was 17-19 and worked in a computer store I was pressured to sell people stuff they don't need | Feb 27 13:30 |
schestowitz | You still avoid my question | Feb 27 13:30 |
schestowitz | http://www.sdtimes.com/LANDMARK_SOFTWARE_PATENT_CASE_SETTLED/By_Alex_Handy/About_OPENSOURCE/34152 | Feb 27 13:30 |
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schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/23339122#notice-23243280 "@schestowitz That article sounds like BS to me. All audio engineers I know use closed-ear or in-ear headphones for field work." | Feb 27 13:31 |
DaemonFC | Do I sell people stuff they don't need or didn't ask for? | Feb 27 13:31 |
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DaemonFC | no | Feb 27 13:31 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/23243122 "@schestowitz From that site: "Closed-ear headphones and canalphones are the best choice for monitoring at setting safe listening levels..."" | Feb 27 13:31 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, The computer industry is extremely salty, isn't it? | Feb 27 13:32 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: my question was: | Feb 27 13:32 |
schestowitz | Are you working at a store? | Feb 27 13:32 |
DaemonFC | software is more of that cost all the time | Feb 27 13:32 |
DaemonFC | no | Feb 27 13:32 |
schestowitz | What do you do then? | Feb 27 13:32 |
schestowitz | You can decline to answer | Feb 27 13:33 |
DaemonFC | things | Feb 27 13:33 |
schestowitz | I was just under the impression you moved from Walmart to a shop | Feb 27 13:33 |
DaemonFC | nothing illegal | Feb 27 13:33 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | Feb 27 13:33 |
schestowitz | Awkward answer | Feb 27 13:33 |
DaemonFC | well, when you don't want to talk about it, people think you're a crook | Feb 27 13:34 |
DaemonFC | or some other kind of bad person | Feb 27 13:34 |
schestowitz | A lot of US labour does things that that people are overqualified to do | Feb 27 13:34 |
schestowitz | Like engineers who turn to cooks/gardeners | Feb 27 13:34 |
DaemonFC | yes, my dad is one such person | Feb 27 13:34 |
DaemonFC | way overqualified for what he's doing now | Feb 27 13:35 |
schestowitz | I once knew this lady who was a highwar engineer and became a cook | Feb 27 13:35 |
DaemonFC | only working to keep health insurance on him and my step-mother | Feb 27 13:35 |
schestowitz | A lot of people won't talk about their job now | Feb 27 13:35 |
schestowitz | Shame/embarrassment | Feb 27 13:35 |
DaemonFC | I'm not boasting when I say his boss's boss should be answering to him | Feb 27 13:35 |
DaemonFC | but you take what you can get | Feb 27 13:35 |
schestowitz | Information industry can be sent off-shore | Feb 27 13:36 |
schestowitz | Even to less qualified people | Feb 27 13:36 |
schestowitz | You can hire 10 of them for the same price | Feb 27 13:36 |
DaemonFC | he's a rather smart person | Feb 27 13:36 |
DaemonFC | has a number of patents | Feb 27 13:36 |
schestowitz | And the obligation is not national but person, to shareholders | Feb 27 13:36 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, That's one reason why he's working at something he's overqualified for, Thomson has the sole right to use his patents | Feb 27 13:37 |
DaemonFC | bad deal | Feb 27 13:37 |
schestowitz | YEs | Feb 27 13:38 |
schestowitz | Novell does the same to engineers | Feb 27 13:38 |
schestowitz | Become a patent whore or be fired | Feb 27 13:38 |
schestowitz | Companies are unethical and they coerce people | Feb 27 13:38 |
schestowitz | That's why we need regulation | Feb 27 13:38 |
DaemonFC | he used to design television components | Feb 27 13:38 |
DaemonFC | he's done other things | Feb 27 13:38 |
DaemonFC | he was a missile technician with the air force before that | Feb 27 13:39 |
schestowitz | It's interesting when people who design electronics move to the production line | Feb 27 13:39 |
schestowitz | Down the chain, so to speak | Feb 27 13:39 |
DaemonFC | he's worked at Raytheon since then | Feb 27 13:39 |
schestowitz | And yet...... | Feb 27 13:39 |
DaemonFC | not now though | Feb 27 13:39 |
schestowitz | PEarly Gates sez that the US lacks engineers | Feb 27 13:39 |
schestowitz | The nerve on that guy | Feb 27 13:39 |
schestowitz | He wants cheap leabour | Feb 27 13:39 |
schestowitz | So he mocks his fellow people | Feb 27 13:39 |
schestowitz | Poor Gates | Feb 27 13:39 |
schestowitz | he wants more money | Feb 27 13:39 |
schestowitz | Spending less on labour | Feb 27 13:39 |
DaemonFC | wants to import the cheap labor he can't offshore | Feb 27 13:39 |
DaemonFC | what's the surprise? | Feb 27 13:40 |
DaemonFC | H1-B abuse | Feb 27 13:40 |
schestowitz | Yes, that too | Feb 27 13:40 |
schestowitz | Pretend he has US employees | Feb 27 13:40 |
schestowitz | Then have them work 12 hours/day | Feb 27 13:40 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Internet Explorer team only has one American on it | Feb 27 13:40 |
schestowitz | People who blow the whistle on them whine about it | Feb 27 13:40 |
DaemonFC | in case you didn't notice, most of them are Indian or Chinese | Feb 27 13:40 |
schestowitz | It's like they don't force you to | Feb 27 13:40 |
schestowitz | But unless you show enthusiasm for the job (programming from dusk till down) you'll be the first to be sakced | Feb 27 13:41 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, You figure they're backdooring things they work on? | Feb 27 13:41 |
schestowitz | That's how they get past working regulations | Feb 27 13:41 |
DaemonFC | or do you think that would get spotted? | Feb 27 13:41 |
schestowitz | Tevchnicallly they don't force people to work beyond what's allow | Feb 27 13:41 |
schestowitz | They just do a natural selection thing, where those who suck up stay | Feb 27 13:41 |
DaemonFC | yeah, off the clock and off the record stuff | Feb 27 13:41 |
schestowitz | Sticklers get the boot | Feb 27 13:41 |
DaemonFC | do it or we ship your ass back | Feb 27 13:42 |
DaemonFC | is probably what they tell them | Feb 27 13:42 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: an Indian person (IIRC) was caught putting a back door in a Microsoft product | Feb 27 13:42 |
schestowitz | He got caught though | Feb 27 13:42 |
DaemonFC | heh | Feb 27 13:42 |
schestowitz | I think it was some criminal/terro grou | Feb 27 13:42 |
schestowitz | RMS talks about it in his presentations | Feb 27 13:42 |
DaemonFC | makes me wonder how many might not have been caught | Feb 27 13:42 |
schestowitz | He mentioned Schneiers' allegations of Gmail back door a few days ago | Feb 27 13:43 |
schestowitz | [Which Schneier backed away from by now] | Feb 27 13:43 |
schestowitz | It's still in CNN, as -is | Feb 27 13:43 |
schestowitz | They don't mind flase information | Feb 27 13:43 |
schestowitz | You could probably google-search CNN to find many articles on WoMD too | Feb 27 13:43 |
schestowitz | From 2003 | Feb 27 13:43 |
DaemonFC | Internet Explorer is such a pile of shit, why not hire a bunch of interns to make it worse? | Feb 27 13:43 |
DaemonFC | they worse cheap | Feb 27 13:43 |
DaemonFC | *work | Feb 27 13:43 |
DaemonFC | foreign interns work even cheaper | Feb 27 13:44 |
schestowitz | They have demands | Feb 27 13:44 |
schestowitz | They are not as obedient | Feb 27 13:44 |
schestowitz | You can't send their families to another continent | Feb 27 13:44 |
schestowitz | It's akin to work-at-gunpoint | Feb 27 13:44 |
schestowitz | Microsoft wants to keep developers on a short leash | Feb 27 13:45 |
schestowitz | They don't leak stuff | Feb 27 13:45 |
schestowitz | BTW | Feb 27 13:45 |
schestowitz | Microsoft legal moves to India | Feb 27 13:45 |
schestowitz | I suppose you saw that in BN last week | Feb 27 13:45 |
DaemonFC | I've been kind of hoping more Windows source code leaks | Feb 27 13:45 |
DaemonFC | no, didn't see that | Feb 27 13:45 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft always shits themselves when source code leaks | Feb 27 13:46 |
DaemonFC | above all else | Feb 27 13:46 |
DaemonFC | they went ballistic over the NT 4/2000 source code that leaked out | Feb 27 13:46 |
schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8540236.stm | Feb 27 13:46 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'll bet that gets heavily "monitored" | Feb 27 13:47 |
DaemonFC | they'll turn it into some kind of army PR | Feb 27 13:47 |
DaemonFC | like that Youtube video where they heavily censor the videos of them killing people | Feb 27 13:47 |
DaemonFC | all you see is them shooting at things | Feb 27 13:48 |
DaemonFC | wouldn't want little Timmy to see some guy get ripped apart by mortar fire would we? | Feb 27 13:48 |
cubezzz | not really | Feb 27 13:49 |
schestowitz | There's still some ugly stuff there | Feb 27 13:49 |
cubezzz | there's an age requirement on some videos | Feb 27 13:49 |
schestowitz | Like videos with mutilated people | Feb 27 13:49 |
schestowitz | Children too | Feb 27 13:49 |
schestowitz | Like kids cut in half | Feb 27 13:49 |
cubezzz | yes, and air show accidents :-/ | Feb 27 13:49 |
cubezzz | it's part of reality | Feb 27 13:49 |
schestowitz | Sometimes they run these as slideshows in videos | Feb 27 13:49 |
schestowitz | I can't quite stand it, but they try to create shock when protesting against war and stuff | Feb 27 13:50 |
cubezzz | it's reality.... ugly but true | Feb 27 13:50 |
cubezzz | almost all soldiers from WWI wanted to avoid more wars afterwards | Feb 27 13:51 |
DaemonFC | almost all soldiers from any war don't ever want another war | Feb 27 13:51 |
DaemonFC | they never get their wish though | Feb 27 13:51 |
cubezzz | with birth control and good planning I think war can be avoided | Feb 27 13:52 |
cubezzz | it's really just resource management | Feb 27 13:52 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, If there's four people left on Earth, one an atheist, one a jew, one a christian, and one a muslim, there will be war | Feb 27 13:52 |
DaemonFC | just a fact | Feb 27 13:52 |
cubezzz | not necessarily | Feb 27 13:53 |
schestowitz | http://www.crn.com/software/223100831;jsessionid=D32ZP4M0KRUKHQE1GHPCKH4ATMY32JVN | Feb 27 13:53 |
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cubezzz | and 4 people would probably mean extinction of the human race | Feb 27 13:53 |
DaemonFC | hell, if there's two people left on Earth out of those religions, there will be war | Feb 27 13:53 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: no | Feb 27 13:53 |
schestowitz | You're being thick | Feb 27 13:53 |
cubezzz | that would just be game over :) | Feb 27 13:53 |
DaemonFC | I'm just saying, war is inevitable as long as there's muslims, jews, and christians | Feb 27 13:53 |
DaemonFC | that's my opinion | Feb 27 13:54 |
DaemonFC | war is what they're all about | Feb 27 13:54 |
cubezzz | we need a meta-religion | Feb 27 13:54 |
schestowitz | People don't encroach on space | Feb 27 13:54 |
schestowitz | Unless there's lack of space | Feb 27 13:54 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, A combination of Satanism and Methodist is my proposal | Feb 27 13:54 |
schestowitz | Territory wars between animals happen when there is food scarcity | Feb 27 13:54 |
schestowitz | Or water | Feb 27 13:54 |
cubezzz | I was thinking more along the sides of "The Church of Rationality" | Feb 27 13:55 |
schestowitz | Claims to righteousness and violent 'holy' books don't help, either | Feb 27 13:55 |
DaemonFC | people rarely go to war over sane and practical reasons | Feb 27 13:55 |
cubezzz | of course | Feb 27 13:55 |
DaemonFC | a few politicians get them stirred up by exploiting their religion | Feb 27 13:56 |
schestowitz | There's always competition | Feb 27 13:56 |
DaemonFC | and then use the stupidity to help them plunder | Feb 27 13:56 |
cubezzz | in the Church of Rationality you can belong to any religon but you have to act rationally :) | Feb 27 13:56 |
schestowitz | They don't "use" it | Feb 27 13:56 |
schestowitz | They impose it | Feb 27 13:56 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, mutual exclusion? | Feb 27 13:56 |
DaemonFC | I like that | Feb 27 13:56 |
DaemonFC | will their heads explode from coping with the paradox? | Feb 27 13:57 |
schestowitz | Stupidity has no meaning | Feb 27 13:57 |
schestowitz | It's not like mass | Feb 27 13:57 |
cubezzz | maybe :) | Feb 27 13:57 |
schestowitz | Unless one's brain is smaller | Feb 27 13:57 |
schestowitz | They just fill people's heads with junk | Feb 27 13:57 |
schestowitz | Like junk science and preachings of hate | Feb 27 13:57 |
schestowitz | They can also fill people's heads with names of footballs and celebrities | Feb 27 13:57 |
schestowitz | *footballers | Feb 27 13:57 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J9KRZ0PnAs | Feb 27 13:58 |
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DaemonFC | yeah | Feb 27 13:58 |
DaemonFC | death to the people that make these | Feb 27 13:58 |
DaemonFC | first order of business in my empire | Feb 27 13:59 |
cubezzz | I don't watch youtube much any more | Feb 27 13:59 |
DaemonFC | Youtube is about 95% stupidity | Feb 27 14:00 |
cubezzz | the comments are 95% stupid | Feb 27 14:00 |
cubezzz | the videos are usually OK | Feb 27 14:01 |
cubezzz | there are stupid videos of course :) | Feb 27 14:02 |
schestowitz | "@fabsh a lot of people use cellphones too (or smoked), but it doesn't make it less cancerous" | Feb 27 14:02 |
schestowitz | DaemonFOX has a crush on Cruise | Feb 27 14:03 |
DaemonFC | negative | Feb 27 14:08 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] we need a statue of John Peel outside Mark Thompson's office, looking up at him, as a gentle daily reminder #save6music | Feb 27 14:09 | |
schestowitz | http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/pocketing-police/ "An odd bit of news from the xorg foundation. During some discussion on their mailing list about missing funds it became apparent that PayPal had simply taken $5k of their money because PayPal thought xorg foundation were some sort of scam." | Feb 27 14:09 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: join Scientology, maybe you'll bump into him | Feb 27 14:09 |
DaemonFC | THETANS!!!!! AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! EVERYWHERE!!!!!! | Feb 27 14:10 |
cubezzz | I have no clue what Scientology is about | Feb 27 14:11 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, brainwashing cult that takes all your money and then compels you to perform slave labor to pay them back for all the "debt" you went into while taking their "classes" | Feb 27 14:17 |
DaemonFC | a lot of people end up committing suicide | Feb 27 14:18 |
DaemonFC | including L. Ron Hubbard's son | Feb 27 14:18 |
cubezzz | sounds a bit like what happened to Bobby Fischer | Feb 27 14:20 |
cubezzz | yeah it's strange anyone would go for that | Feb 27 14:20 |
schestowitz | http://mdeslaur.blogspot.com/2010/02/canadian-tax-software-and-linux.html | Feb 27 14:21 |
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schestowitz | cubezzz: how so? | Feb 27 14:21 |
schestowitz | Bobby Fischer did not commit suicide | Feb 27 14:22 |
schestowitz | He went to some church and stuff and became exposed to other literature | Feb 27 14:22 |
schestowitz | But he died not from suicide | Feb 27 14:22 |
schestowitz | he died in Iceland when he was like in his mid 50s | Feb 27 14:22 |
schestowitz | I think it mostly turned wrong when he were to cash in around east Europe and then became a fugitive | Feb 27 14:23 |
cubezzz | well, in a way he did schestowitz... | Feb 27 14:23 |
schestowitz | Didn't even manage to be near his mother when she passed away | Feb 27 14:23 |
cubezzz | he refused medical treatment near the end | Feb 27 14:23 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: how does religion come into it? | Feb 27 14:23 |
schestowitz | I studied his case quite closely | Feb 27 14:23 |
schestowitz | Partly, I think he was haunted by the media | Feb 27 14:23 |
schestowitz | Because of him remarks about the US and Jewish people | Feb 27 14:24 |
cubezzz | I don't think he was all that religious later on | Feb 27 14:24 |
schestowitz | Prosecuted for speaking openly, freely | Feb 27 14:24 |
schestowitz | He didn't commit any crimes, AFAICT | Feb 27 14:24 |
cubezzz | he was rather paranoid, but I still respected his abilities and intellect | Feb 27 14:24 |
schestowitz | Arrested in Japan with no real charged, just harassed | Feb 27 14:24 |
cubezzz | well, he ranted a lot :) | Feb 27 14:24 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: not sure he was paranoid | Feb 27 14:24 |
schestowitz | He was really chased down | Feb 27 14:24 |
schestowitz | They didn't like when he told some radio station in Asia for example | Feb 27 14:25 |
cubezzz | Fischer quote: "I want to see the USA wiped out" | Feb 27 14:25 |
schestowitz | His words are quotes quite selecyievly | Feb 27 14:25 |
schestowitz | it's like when the media preyed in Michael Jackson | Feb 27 14:25 |
schestowitz | Or Moss | Feb 27 14:25 |
cubezzz | you must admit he was anti-US later on | Feb 27 14:25 |
schestowitz | when they flag someone as "bad" they can 'pull a Fox' on them | Feb 27 14:25 |
schestowitz | Just watch any Beck show on Obama | Feb 27 14:25 |
cubezzz | sure, he wasn't always treated well | Feb 27 14:26 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: what uis | Feb 27 14:26 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: what is "anti-US"? | Feb 27 14:26 |
schestowitz | It makes no sense | Feb 27 14:26 |
schestowitz | http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3754.html | Feb 27 14:26 |
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schestowitz | It's basically this notion that there's "anti-Soviet" | Feb 27 14:27 |
schestowitz | Abd critics of US and Israeli foreign policy, for instance, are 'anti-American" and "anti-Semitic", respectively | Feb 27 14:27 |
schestowitz | Microsoft does that | Feb 27 14:27 |
schestowitz | Microsoft does that too | Feb 27 14:27 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft hater" | Feb 27 14:27 |
schestowitz | "Don't listen to him, he's just an irrational Microsoft hater" | Feb 27 14:27 |
cubezzz | ok, we've been through this before :) | Feb 27 14:28 |
schestowitz | As though Microsoft is not a criminal companies | Feb 27 14:28 |
DaemonFC | Michael Jackson obviously had some mental illness going on | Feb 27 14:28 |
schestowitz | As though Microsoft is not a criminal company | Feb 27 14:28 |
schestowitz | The US banks play the same game | Feb 27 14:28 |
DaemonFC | drug dependencies | Feb 27 14:28 |
DaemonFC | pedophilia | Feb 27 14:28 |
schestowitz | "They are just jealous of our wealth..." | Feb 27 14:28 |
schestowitz | Gates too | Feb 27 14:28 |
schestowitz | "he's just jealous of Gates: | Feb 27 14:28 |
DaemonFC | an amusement park in his lawn | Feb 27 14:28 |
schestowitz | It's everywhere, the same methods to discourage critics | Feb 27 14:28 |
cubezzz | schestowitz check out the radio interviews: | Feb 27 14:28 |
cubezzz | http://bobbyfischerpage.tripod.com/ | Feb 27 14:28 |
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schestowitz | The assumption is that the "Greater" is always more correct | Feb 27 14:28 |
cubezzz | then you'll see what I mean by Fischer was "anti-US" | Feb 27 14:28 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: I know | Feb 27 14:28 |
schestowitz | But they pick it selectively | Feb 27 14:29 |
schestowitz | You can find other videos where he formulates an opinion calmly | Feb 27 14:29 |
cubezzz | he's not edited, it's the whole thing | Feb 27 14:29 |
schestowitz | Think about Michelle Obama | Feb 27 14:29 |
schestowitz | She said something like "for the first time in my adult life I'm proud to be Americans" | Feb 27 14:29 |
schestowitz | The GOP was all over it | Feb 27 14:29 |
cubezzz | I don't think Fischer was utterly crazy, but he wasn't functioning all that well | Feb 27 14:30 |
schestowitz | Sure, they can find something that serves them | Feb 27 14:30 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: he wasn't | Feb 27 14:30 |
schestowitz | He never was | Feb 27 14:30 |
schestowitz | He was quite retarded as a young man too | Feb 27 14:30 |
cubezzz | well, socially maybe | Feb 27 14:30 |
schestowitz | I reckon that's how he got so Chess-oriented | Feb 27 14:30 |
cubezzz | he was pretty high functioning mentally | Feb 27 14:30 |
schestowitz | Like aspergia [??] or something | Feb 27 14:31 |
cubezzz | no father figure... | Feb 27 14:31 |
schestowitz | You cans see it in TV interviews | Feb 27 14:31 |
schestowitz | I'm not defneding him by the way | Feb 27 14:31 |
cubezzz | aspergers | Feb 27 14:31 |
schestowitz | But it started when you compared him to people of Church of Scientology | Feb 27 14:31 |
schestowitz | Though I couldn't see the parallels | Feb 27 14:31 |
schestowitz | He followed some eccentric religious folks | Feb 27 14:32 |
cubezzz | it's a spectrum, I'm not all that social myself :) | Feb 27 14:32 |
schestowitz | If anything, just proof that religion messes up people's minds | Feb 27 14:32 |
cubezzz | neither is Stallman | Feb 27 14:32 |
schestowitz | Stallman is like him in some metal senses | Feb 27 14:32 |
schestowitz | But RMS is smart | Feb 27 14:32 |
cubezzz | right, I just meant there were a few similarities | Feb 27 14:32 |
schestowitz | Fischer was rather stupid | Feb 27 14:32 |
cubezzz | it's not exactly comparable | Feb 27 14:32 |
schestowitz | ANd he claimed to have been used against the RUssian for the publicity stunts | Feb 27 14:33 |
cubezzz | yeah, I suppose you could say that in general | Feb 27 14:33 |
schestowitz | With murderers like Kissinger and Nixen urging him to play along | Feb 27 14:33 |
cubezzz | it's a sad story | Feb 27 14:33 |
schestowitz | So they pressured him... around the time of the cold war and races for space exploration | Feb 27 14:33 |
schestowitz | The whole idea that US/capitalism prooduces smarter people | Feb 27 14:33 |
cubezzz | he seemed to be functioning a lot better in the 1970s | Feb 27 14:34 |
schestowitz | They marketed their ideologies | Feb 27 14:34 |
cubezzz | yes | Feb 27 14:34 |
schestowitz | And the SOviets too made chess-playing robots out of people | Feb 27 14:34 |
schestowitz | That's not healthy | Feb 27 14:34 |
schestowitz | Messes up people's character | Feb 27 14:34 |
schestowitz | [14:33] <cubezzz> yeah, I suppose you could say that in general | Feb 27 14:34 |
schestowitz | I mean, look at RMS being interviewed | Feb 27 14:34 |
schestowitz | He doesn't respond to cues so well | Feb 27 14:34 |
schestowitz | ANd he interrupts people | Feb 27 14:35 |
cubezzz | yes :) | Feb 27 14:35 |
cubezzz | it's a function of his superior understanding though | Feb 27 14:35 |
schestowitz | You can tell there's something not "average" (I don't want to say "normal") there | Feb 27 14:35 |
cubezzz | and his impatience | Feb 27 14:35 |
schestowitz | Yes | Feb 27 14:35 |
schestowitz | Like when you say "IP" | Feb 27 14:35 |
cubezzz | I feel mostly sympathy for him | Feb 27 14:35 |
schestowitz | But he's always polite with me | Feb 27 14:35 |
cubezzz | oh, you interviewed him? | Feb 27 14:36 |
schestowitz | These people are not the problem | Feb 27 14:36 |
schestowitz | And by the way, re foreign policy, concision is an issue | Feb 27 14:36 |
schestowitz | Pinter took his time to lay out the case clearly | Feb 27 14:36 |
schestowitz | Against the UK too | Feb 27 14:36 |
schestowitz | Fischer is just too dumb to do that | Feb 27 14:36 |
cubezzz | not dumb, he just hyper-focused on chess | Feb 27 14:37 |
schestowitz | Last month when I did the interview for French television I had to stick to gentle stuff | Feb 27 14:37 |
cubezzz | he had an amazing memory | Feb 27 14:37 |
schestowitz | I recently saw this idiot on TV making the statement that "Al Qaeda is a CIA operation" | Feb 27 14:37 |
schestowitz | It doesn't work well with the general public | Feb 27 14:37 |
schestowitz | He can't approach it with statements like that | Feb 27 14:38 |
schestowitz | I can find you that video by the way | Feb 27 14:38 |
schestowitz | Here's this example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQgUngwmao4 | Feb 27 14:39 |
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schestowitz | Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPlXC3M8hbg | Feb 27 14:39 |
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cubezzz | yes, I don't even have to see it :) | Feb 27 14:41 |
cubezzz | I know about the Dick Cavett interview :) | Feb 27 14:41 |
cubezzz | Cavett had problems of his own unfortunately | Feb 27 14:42 |
schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/7325961/Google-good-or-evil.html | Feb 27 14:43 |
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schestowitz | Oh, that trolling question again | Feb 27 14:43 |
schestowitz | It's obvious what they try to imply | Feb 27 14:43 |
schestowitz | If taking people's info is criminal, then they lost perspective | Feb 27 14:43 |
schestowitz | ANd they use the word "Evil" | Feb 27 14:43 |
schestowitz | With religious connotation | Feb 27 14:43 |
schestowitz | But then again, it's Google itself that made a motto with it | Feb 27 14:43 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: what problems did cavett have? | Feb 27 14:44 |
cubezzz | oh, he was big time depressive | Feb 27 14:44 |
cubezzz | very extreme case | Feb 27 14:44 |
cubezzz | "In 1980 Cavett suffered what he characterized as his "biggest depressive episode". While on board a Concorde prior to take off, Cavett broke out into a sweat and became agitated. After he was removed from the plane, Cavett was taken to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital in New York City, where he later underwent electroconvulsive therapy." | Feb 27 14:45 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Socialist Muslim President meets with Atheist hate groups to destroy America http://newstechnica.com/?p=1685 | Feb 27 14:48 | |
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schestowitz | cubezzz: let me see some videos anout it | Feb 27 15:03 |
cubezzz | I'm not aware of any, but Cavett talked about it in interviews | Feb 27 15:05 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, lala is charging 89 cents per MP3 for the same songs that are on Jamendo for free | Feb 27 15:05 |
DaemonFC | heh | Feb 27 15:05 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCuVPveRwrU | Feb 27 15:05 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.lala.com/#album/2306124484727806470/Sekshun_8/Black_Winged_Butterfly | Feb 27 15:10 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/48396 | Feb 27 15:10 |
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DaemonFC | epic fail | Feb 27 15:10 |
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfCBFhB_RQs | Feb 27 15:13 | |
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DaemonFC | if you get it on Jamendo, you have the option of Ogg | Feb 27 15:13 |
DaemonFC | and it's free :0 | Feb 27 15:13 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 15:13 |
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DaemonFC | they don't have their other albums on Jamendo though | Feb 27 15:14 |
DaemonFC | makes me think this one is a PR piece | Feb 27 15:14 |
DaemonFC | oh well, it's still a freebie | Feb 27 15:14 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5lMxWWK218 | Feb 27 15:19 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, What's the call on that Amazon Microsoft thing? | Feb 27 15:23 |
DaemonFC | before I click to pay them | Feb 27 15:24 |
DaemonFC | :P | Feb 27 15:24 |
DaemonFC | you've probably read over it more than I have | Feb 27 15:24 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkzdLbpS3Rs&NR= | Feb 27 15:33 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: see BN | Feb 27 15:33 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Amazon is who you're buying storage from when you use Ubuntu One | Feb 27 15:35 |
DaemonFC | you are aware of this? | Feb 27 15:35 |
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DaemonFC | money spent on Ubuntu One is money given to Amazon | Feb 27 15:36 |
DaemonFC | so your Amazon boycott should extend to Ubuntu One as well | Feb 27 15:37 |
DaemonFC | at least the cloud storage crap | Feb 27 15:37 |
DaemonFC | the music store is unaffiliated with Amazon though | Feb 27 15:37 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Thanks for all the recommendations. Given I have Sennheiser hd212 pros for at home work and like them,more sennheisers are likely. Ta again! | Feb 27 15:38 | |
DaemonFC | I could see the benefits of mirroring my MP3 library on some kind of cloud storage, but $120 a year to get 50 gigs is ludicrous | Feb 27 15:38 |
DaemonFC | you can get 50 gigs out of 5 DL-DVDs | Feb 27 15:38 |
DaemonFC | and those cost all of $1 each | Feb 27 15:38 |
DaemonFC | and I always have guaranteed local access to them | Feb 27 15:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHpe2fapREA | Feb 27 15:39 |
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DaemonFC | so really, Ubuntu One "cloud storage" is expensive, not guaranteed to be available, and funds Microsoft | Feb 27 15:40 |
DaemonFC | you may as well just state it like that, cause that's how it is | Feb 27 15:40 |
DaemonFC | it also allows Amazon to profile you via your music collection probably | Feb 27 15:40 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, To try to dance around and gloss over the fact that Ubuntu is providing several layers of ways to fund Microsoft and give them your data to use for god knows what is to trivialize the situation | Feb 27 15:42 |
DaemonFC | through Bong and Amazon storage subscriptions | Feb 27 15:42 |
DaemonFC | it's very disturbing and they need to be called to account for trojaning this crap in on unsuspecting Ubuntu users | Feb 27 15:43 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] This afternoon I've mostly been planting chilli seedlings with the kids. The kitchen looks like a mole came up through the floor. Sweeping++ | Feb 27 15:44 | |
bruce89 | "for god knows what" - money | Feb 27 15:45 |
DaemonFC | well yeah | Feb 27 15:45 |
DaemonFC | but who knows what else | Feb 27 15:46 |
DaemonFC | I'm sure they are capable of thinking on levels that you and I are not on how to best use search data from millions of Linux users | Feb 27 15:46 |
bruce89 | it's clear that SABDFL has had enough spending money | Feb 27 15:47 |
bruce89 | and obviously support just wasn't cutting it | Feb 27 15:47 |
bruce89 | although I'm amazed how far they've gone in order to fund themselves | Feb 27 15:48 |
cubezzz | I was never too keen on Ubuntu | Feb 27 15:52 |
DaemonFC | bruce89, you mean what lows they've sunk to | Feb 27 15:53 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 15:53 |
bruce89 | yup | Feb 27 15:53 |
DaemonFC | bruce89, I'm writing a blog entry about Ubuntu right now | Feb 27 15:56 |
DaemonFC | I want to make it clear that paying to use Ubuntu One is the ethical equivalent of buying a copy of Vista7 | Feb 27 15:57 |
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DaemonFC | cause the money is going to the same people | Feb 27 15:57 |
DaemonFC | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5946 | Feb 27 16:00 |
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DaemonFC | "Matt Asay hits the nail on the head. In full “knock this board off my shoulder mode,” the Ubuntu COO dares Microsoft to sue Canonical," | Feb 27 16:00 |
DaemonFC | he best be careful, lest his wish be granted | Feb 27 16:01 |
DaemonFC | I don't know if it's wise to egg them on even if their claims are frivolous | Feb 27 16:01 |
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DaemonFC | MS still has more money than they do | Feb 27 16:02 |
DaemonFC | you don't need to win in court, you only need to use stall tactics and bankrupt your victim | Feb 27 16:03 |
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_Goblin_ | DaemonFC: thats very true, sort of like a game of poker | Feb 27 16:06 |
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DaemonFC | _Goblin, Ubuntu is becoming very disturbing, and it's unfolding very fast | Feb 27 16:07 |
DaemonFC | I hope I'm not alone in noticing this | Feb 27 16:07 |
_Goblin | DaemonFC: I don't think so.... | Feb 27 16:07 |
_Goblin | I think its a case of them trying to create revenue | Feb 27 16:08 |
_Goblin | and thats no bad thing... | Feb 27 16:08 |
DaemonFC | _Goblin, "By any and all means" is where it becomes bad | Feb 27 16:08 |
DaemonFC | I'd rather shut down my project than ask Microsoft for handouts | Feb 27 16:08 |
_Goblin | whilst some may dislike some "less than free" areas of 10.04...I don't think Canonical is jumping into bed with MS or is looking at Ubuntu as a lockin type product. | Feb 27 16:08 |
_Goblin | and DaemonFC you more than anyone here should agree that "by any and all means" is the way for business to survive. | Feb 27 16:09 |
DaemonFC | if Ubuntu has to depend on Microsoft for funding, that gives Microsoft undue influence over Ubuntu | Feb 27 16:09 |
DaemonFC | and that's unacceptable | Feb 27 16:09 |
_Goblin | DaemonFC: its not depending, its probably just got a better deal.... | Feb 27 16:09 |
DaemonFC | _Goblin, Microsoft and the rest of the Axis of Evil | Feb 27 16:10 |
_Goblin | DaemonFC: its also a compliment to Ubuntu that Yahoo would want to sign a deal with it. | Feb 27 16:10 |
DaemonFC | including Amazon, Matt Asay, foisting an MP3 store on users | Feb 27 16:10 |
DaemonFC | etc | Feb 27 16:10 |
_Goblin | DaemonFC: Ubuntu is merely offering a service that others already do....why should it not take money away from those services and get some itself. | Feb 27 16:11 |
bruce89 | because it's supposed to be Free | Feb 27 16:11 |
DaemonFC | _Goblin, 1. Yahoo is doing anything to gain market share. 2. They probably didn't have to pay Canonical much. | Feb 27 16:11 |
bruce89 | Red Hat doesn't do this sort og thing | Feb 27 16:11 |
_Goblin | bruce89: and thats the great thing about linux...you have plenty of choice... | Feb 27 16:11 |
DaemonFC | Red Hat has a profitable business model they EARNED | Feb 27 16:11 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu is going after a quick buck | Feb 27 16:12 |
_Goblin | although who these days has a completely free system? | Feb 27 16:12 |
_Goblin | are you running Gnewsense or something similar? | Feb 27 16:12 |
bruce89 | that's besides the point | Feb 27 16:12 |
DaemonFC | _Goblin, Fedora | Feb 27 16:12 |
_Goblin | no its not...you said "its supposed to be free" | Feb 27 16:12 |
bruce89 | actively encouraging commerical stuff is surely wrong | Feb 27 16:12 |
_Goblin | and Ubuntu still is. | Feb 27 16:12 |
_Goblin | you dont _HAVE_ to use the new services. | Feb 27 16:12 |
bruce89 | I don't, I use Fedora | Feb 27 16:12 |
DaemonFC | I'm not arguing that everyone should audit their system with Virtual Richard Stallman, I'm arguing that people should minimize their dependency on hostile organizations and non-free software | Feb 27 16:13 |
bruce89 | I didn't like Ubuntu for other reasons anyway | Feb 27 16:13 |
DaemonFC | to not use it gratuitously | Feb 27 16:13 |
_Goblin | but if you didn't and did use Ubuntu you would not be forced to buy from the online store. | Feb 27 16:13 |
_Goblin | I personally don't have Ubuntu on my main rig....however it will still be just as free on those rigs of mine that do run it. | Feb 27 16:14 |
DaemonFC | free as in freeware | Feb 27 16:14 |
_Goblin | so you don't use proprietary drivers for your gfx card? | Feb 27 16:14 |
DaemonFC | that's what they're trying to drive home, it doesn't cost you money | Feb 27 16:14 |
DaemonFC | _Goblin, No, I don't | Feb 27 16:14 |
_Goblin | fair enough....I do. | Feb 27 16:14 |
DaemonFC | FGLRX is shockingly worse than what you get out of the box :) | Feb 27 16:15 |
bruce89 | mind you Launchpad set a precident | Feb 27 16:15 |
_Goblin | and it would be hypocritical of me to preach about a free system if I myself depend on code that isn't | Feb 27 16:15 |
DaemonFC | _Goblin, I'd advise people to use the MP3 decoder for legacy compatibility only | Feb 27 16:15 |
DaemonFC | I'm not going to call them Hitler for having it though | Feb 27 16:16 |
_Goblin | daemonfc: thats good of you. | Feb 27 16:16 |
_Goblin | you see this is where the danger is... | Feb 27 16:16 |
_Goblin | Many people highlight (and rightfully so) the dangers of Microsoft..... | Feb 27 16:16 |
DaemonFC | like I said, you should strive to minimize dependence on non-free crap | Feb 27 16:16 |
DaemonFC | it works out best in the long run | Feb 27 16:17 |
bruce89 | that's never been in Ubuntu's brief | Feb 27 16:17 |
DaemonFC | but I understand that nobody wants to use Gnewsense and cripple their PC | Feb 27 16:17 |
_Goblin | however I think some of the free software movement are as guilty as MS with the ethos "Do it our way or not at all." | Feb 27 16:17 |
DaemonFC | such is life | Feb 27 16:17 |
_Goblin | Exactly.... | Feb 27 16:17 |
bruce89 | this sort of puts me in mind of Linspire | Feb 27 16:18 |
DaemonFC | Linspire was gratuitously non-free | Feb 27 16:18 |
_Goblin | Software freedom should be exactly that.....free to choice what you like when you like, no matter if its totally free, totally proprietary or a mixture of both, | Feb 27 16:18 |
DaemonFC | even when the user didn't need all of that shit | Feb 27 16:18 |
bruce89 | does that put you in mind of anything/ | Feb 27 16:18 |
DaemonFC | I'll install a non-free package when I need one | Feb 27 16:18 |
DaemonFC | I don't grab the big pile of bad shit(tm) | Feb 27 16:19 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu calls that the restricted extras | Feb 27 16:19 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: a lot of things rely on Amazon | Feb 27 16:19 |
schestowitz | I can't hodl that against u-butu | Feb 27 16:19 |
schestowitz | But it does explain Mac Asay's reserved response to it | Feb 27 16:20 |
DaemonFC | well, they've lynched themselves here | Feb 27 16:20 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu also works with Novell | Feb 27 16:20 |
DaemonFC | why do they need Amazon anyway? | Feb 27 16:20 |
schestowitz | They don't | Feb 27 16:20 |
schestowitz | Jono needs them | Feb 27 16:20 |
schestowitz | He has a book there | Feb 27 16:20 |
schestowitz | Wow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG8Y4BUKF3I | Feb 27 16:20 |
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DaemonFC | featuritus is the cause | Feb 27 16:20 |
schestowitz | Check this out | Feb 27 16:20 |
DaemonFC | it's flagged inappropriate | Feb 27 16:21 |
DaemonFC | and I do not wish to see tits | Feb 27 16:21 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] starting work on my new project. targets->learn git, use emacs as IDE, develop a bloody cool app. See you in 6 months :) | Feb 27 16:22 | |
DaemonFC | omg | Feb 27 16:23 |
DaemonFC | lmao!!!! | Feb 27 16:23 |
DaemonFC | EPIC FAIL!!!!! | Feb 27 16:23 |
DaemonFC | best youtube video ever | Feb 27 16:23 |
schestowitz | "@schestowitz Cell phones aren't carcinogenic. There's no hard evidence to that effect. Total FUD." | Feb 27 16:24 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/23247593 | Feb 27 16:24 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz does have a sense of humor | Feb 27 16:24 |
*DaemonFC was beginning to wonder :) | Feb 27 16:24 | |
schestowitz | No, it's tragic | Feb 27 16:25 |
schestowitz | I wonder, if it's not fake, what happens to those girls | Feb 27 16:25 |
DaemonFC | well, it doesn't look fake | Feb 27 16:25 |
schestowitz | "@fabsh there is evidence, unless it's funded by the industry that monetises it" | Feb 27 16:26 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, 999..... | Feb 27 16:26 |
DaemonFC | I always wondered, doesn't that cause problems? | Feb 27 16:26 |
schestowitz | I wonder how the parents of these girl feel about this being online | Feb 27 16:26 |
DaemonFC | kids playing with the phone and such | Feb 27 16:26 |
schestowitz | It's not just a record but also the cause of this accident | Feb 27 16:26 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: you mean phones? | Feb 27 16:26 |
schestowitz | I reckon it does, the question is, how much? | Feb 27 16:26 |
DaemonFC | or who would post it and incriminate themselves | Feb 27 16:27 |
schestowitz | Radiation is radiation | Feb 27 16:27 |
schestowitz | And this one is next to people's most important organ | Feb 27 16:27 |
DaemonFC | no, I mean 999 seems more likely for the kid to press than 911 | Feb 27 16:27 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: not incriminate | Feb 27 16:27 |
schestowitz | The driver is to blame for not focusing | Feb 27 16:27 |
schestowitz | There's no intent to cause harm | Feb 27 16:27 |
DaemonFC | I still wouldn't post it | Feb 27 16:28 |
DaemonFC | I'd delete it immediately | Feb 27 16:28 |
DaemonFC | no telling what kind of legal problems you'd open yourself up to | Feb 27 16:29 |
DaemonFC | if not criminal, maybe someone sues you | Feb 27 16:29 |
DaemonFC | the video was the only evidence that they caused the crash | Feb 27 16:29 |
DaemonFC | the girls' parents sue you and try to prove you were at fault, the video doesn't help | Feb 27 16:30 |
DaemonFC | it establishes you were there and egged them on | Feb 27 16:30 |
DaemonFC | I'd delete it and threaten everyone in the car with severe pain if they talked about it again | Feb 27 16:31 |
DaemonFC | but then I don't do stupid shit like that anyway | Feb 27 16:31 |
DaemonFC | but if I did, then I'd go full blown cover up | Feb 27 16:31 |
DaemonFC | My policy is don't do stupid shit on purpose. If I do inadvertently do something stupid that I could be held liable for, destroy all evidence. | Feb 27 16:33 |
DaemonFC | It. Never. Happened. | Feb 27 16:33 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 16:33 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I kick arse for the Lord. http://bit.ly/cWZxUi HT @picturecool | Feb 27 16:34 | |
schestowitz | What did you do? | Feb 27 16:34 |
DaemonFC | nothing | Feb 27 16:35 |
DaemonFC | ever | Feb 27 16:35 |
DaemonFC | at all | Feb 27 16:35 |
schestowitz | Sssue..... | Feb 27 16:35 |
schestowitz | Sssure..... | Feb 27 16:36 |
DaemonFC | see how good I cover my tracks? | Feb 27 16:36 |
schestowitz | http://chavelaque.blogspot.com/2007/01/squids-101-commonly-confused-homophones.html | Feb 27 16:36 |
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DaemonFC | I've never been jailed, sued, or fined for all of the things I haven't done | Feb 27 16:36 |
schestowitz | You already wrote about some offences in IRC | Feb 27 16:36 |
cubezzz | which were logged :) | Feb 27 16:37 |
DaemonFC | yeah, they can't try you twice | Feb 27 16:37 |
cubezzz | forever | Feb 27 16:37 |
DaemonFC | who cares? | Feb 27 16:37 |
DaemonFC | If I murdered someone and got found not guilty, I could admit to it right then and there | Feb 27 16:37 |
DaemonFC | and still go free | Feb 27 16:37 |
schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/02/hitler_and_clou.html | Feb 27 16:38 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, It only matter what they know before and during a trial | Feb 27 16:38 |
DaemonFC | not after | Feb 27 16:38 |
DaemonFC | 1 second after is too late | Feb 27 16:38 |
schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/19/AR2010021905765.html | Feb 27 16:39 |
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schestowitz | They only check Arabs | Feb 27 16:39 |
schestowitz | See? | Feb 27 16:39 |
DaemonFC | If they found the corpse one minute after the trial concluded, the murderer still walks free | Feb 27 16:39 |
DaemonFC | isn't that nifty? | Feb 27 16:39 |
schestowitz | "GEORGETOWN, TEX. -- After the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, cockpit doors were sealed, air marshals were added and airport searches became more aggressive, all to make sure airliners could never again be used as weapons. Yet little has been done to guard against attacks with smaller planes." | Feb 27 16:39 |
DaemonFC | I'd tell them where it was just to fuck with them | Feb 27 16:40 |
DaemonFC | after the trial | Feb 27 16:40 |
cubezzz | I bet they could find ways around that | Feb 27 16:40 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, Nope | Feb 27 16:40 |
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DaemonFC | only a mistrial can result in a new trial from scratch | Feb 27 16:40 |
schestowitz | OJ? | Feb 27 16:40 |
DaemonFC | hung jury is also a form of mistrial | Feb 27 16:41 |
DaemonFC | OJ was found not guilty | Feb 27 16:41 |
schestowitz | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/fbi-federal-grand-jury-investigating-school-webcam-spying/?cs=39694 | Feb 27 16:41 |
DaemonFC | they can't try him for those murders ever again | Feb 27 16:41 |
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cubezzz | he didn't get away scott free did he? | Feb 27 16:41 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, different charges | Feb 27 16:41 |
cubezzz | they still put him in jail | Feb 27 16:41 |
cubezzz | nevertheless... | Feb 27 16:41 |
cubezzz | his name is mud | Feb 27 16:41 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, That was his fault, he went free on murder charges | Feb 27 16:41 |
DaemonFC | they can never try him for that again | Feb 27 16:41 |
DaemonFC | ever | Feb 27 16:41 |
cubezzz | he was nailed in civil court too | Feb 27 16:42 |
schestowitz | He probably made himself more of a name this way | Feb 27 16:42 |
cubezzz | remember that? | Feb 27 16:42 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, Civil court is different | Feb 27 16:42 |
schestowitz | He still has stupid fans | Feb 27 16:42 |
schestowitz | Columbine shooters too did it for fame | Feb 27 16:42 |
schestowitz | Sick people | Feb 27 16:42 |
cubezzz | his rep is shot | Feb 27 16:42 |
schestowitz | ALso Muslim terror | Feb 27 16:43 |
cubezzz | for all-time | Feb 27 16:43 |
schestowitz | You know what the mistake is? | Feb 27 16:43 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, civil court is you prove it was more likely than not, criminal court you have to prove pretty damned convincingly with litte room for error | Feb 27 16:43 |
cubezzz | he'll never be trusted for anything | Feb 27 16:43 |
schestowitz | Media giving them attention | Feb 27 16:43 |
DaemonFC | it's easier to lose a lawsuit than a criminal proceeding, much easier | Feb 27 16:43 |
schestowitz | They give them EXACLY what they want | Feb 27 16:43 |
schestowitz | Like the underwesar bomber | Feb 27 16:43 |
schestowitz | They had him become famous | Feb 27 16:43 |
schestowitz | And alive | Feb 27 16:43 |
schestowitz | probably to be released | Feb 27 16:43 |
schestowitz | And he terrorised people | Feb 27 16:43 |
schestowitz | As intended | Feb 27 16:43 |
schestowitz | Stupid media doesn't care about security | Feb 27 16:44 |
schestowitz | It just sells bloody ads | Feb 27 16:44 |
schestowitz | Swine flue | Feb 27 16:44 |
cubezzz | OJ when he gets out, might get in trouble again | Feb 27 16:44 |
schestowitz | *flu | Feb 27 16:44 |
cubezzz | it's his nature | Feb 27 16:44 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, It's not unheard of for a person to be found Not Guilty of murder but found Guilty in a wrongful death lawsuit later | Feb 27 16:44 |
DaemonFC | OJ was not the first time it has happened | Feb 27 16:44 |
schestowitz | Had they wanted security, they'd do what's right | Feb 27 16:44 |
cubezzz | I'm sure | Feb 27 16:44 |
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cubezzz | the point is though once a murderer, always a murderer | Feb 27 16:45 |
DaemonFC | people don't understand how the court system works | Feb 27 16:45 |
DaemonFC | they're like "How the hell did THAT happen!?!?!?" | Feb 27 16:45 |
cubezzz | even if the court makes a mistaken, the truth is still the truth | Feb 27 16:45 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, The mere accusation will hang over you for life, even if you didn't kill anyone | Feb 27 16:45 |
cubezzz | and courts do make mistakes | Feb 27 16:45 |
cubezzz | exactly | Feb 27 16:45 |
DaemonFC | especially with the media frenzy | Feb 27 16:46 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Interesting questions raised about the #Ubuntu One Music store in bug report,reply from Mark Shuttleworth http://bit.ly/dtg2e7 | Feb 27 16:46 | |
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schestowitz | Retractions don't get publicity | Feb 27 16:46 |
schestowitz | When errors are found | Feb 27 16:46 |
DaemonFC | I'm replying to Mark Shuttleworth | Feb 27 16:49 |
bruce89 | I made that mistake once | Feb 27 16:50 |
ender2070 | :P | Feb 27 16:53 |
DaemonFC | bruce89, I'm letting him have it, trust me :) | Feb 27 16:54 |
DaemonFC | " | Feb 27 16:55 |
DaemonFC | So if we welcome our MP3-spewing overlords with flowers, glorious freedom *might* come later? How many billions of dollars worth of non-free crap do we have to buy before this becomes viable?" -Me | Feb 27 16:55 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Feb 27 16:55 |
schestowitz | laters | Feb 27 17:02 |
DaemonFC | https://bugs.launchpad.net/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/+bug/528910/comments/2 | Feb 27 17:08 |
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DaemonFC | bruce89, There you have it | Feb 27 17:08 |
DaemonFC | :P | Feb 27 17:11 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, How did I do? :P | Feb 27 17:29 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Sadly, most promises of self-imposed exile are empty" #Monbiot on #uk #tax whiners. http://bit.ly/bwpWS6 | Feb 27 17:31 | |
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bruce89 | yikes | Feb 27 17:31 |
DaemonFC | good/bad? | Feb 27 17:32 |
bruce89 | interesting | Feb 27 17:32 |
DaemonFC | did I get him? | Feb 27 17:34 |
bruce89 | we'll find out in due course | Feb 27 17:36 |
DaemonFC | thin he'll take the bait? | Feb 27 17:36 |
DaemonFC | *think | Feb 27 17:36 |
bruce89 | I once got an e-mail saying that I shouldn't call myself a moany bastard | Feb 27 17:37 |
bruce89 | from him that is | Feb 27 17:37 |
DaemonFC | uhhhm, that's out of context | Feb 27 17:37 |
DaemonFC | do I want to know? :) | Feb 27 17:37 |
bruce89 | I called myself that on a bug | Feb 27 17:38 |
bruce89 | something about notify-osd I think | Feb 27 17:39 |
bruce89 | or update-manger | Feb 27 17:39 |
DaemonFC | son of a bitch.... | Feb 27 17:39 |
DaemonFC | my crazy neighbor is knocking | Feb 27 17:39 |
DaemonFC | she always calls me Kyle too | Feb 27 17:40 |
*bruce89 assumes that's incorrec | Feb 27 17:40 | |
DaemonFC | *and this is when I shot her, your honor* | Feb 27 17:40 |
DaemonFC | yes, my name is Ryan | Feb 27 17:41 |
bruce89 | that's not even close | Feb 27 17:41 |
bruce89 | as I'm sure you realise | Feb 27 17:41 |
DaemonFC | everything seems to rhyme with "bullshit" with this lady | Feb 27 17:43 |
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DaemonFC | "Hey, pay me $10 a day for 30 years and I'll just shoot you in the back of the head. How's that? No emphysema or anything!" -Me to a smoker | Feb 27 17:51 |
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sebsebseb | ABC123 | Feb 27 17:53 |
DaemonFC | over 30 years, a 2 pack a day smoker will spend $110,000 | Feb 27 17:54 |
DaemonFC | and every single fucking one of them wants to borrow $5 til Tuesday | Feb 27 17:54 |
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DaemonFC | bruce89, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/528910 | Feb 27 18:18 |
DaemonFC | and more yet :) | Feb 27 18:18 |
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DaemonFC | "Even if you use the free as in beer Fluendo decoder, you still have to ASK someone for a PATENT LICENSE to decode files you supposedly "own". What if the English language was patent encumbered and you had to ask someone else to read you your books?" | Feb 27 18:19 |
DaemonFC | lol | Feb 27 18:19 |
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bruce89 | to be honest, I don't really care either way | Feb 27 18:22 |
bruce89 | I don't particularly want to help them / be ignored | Feb 27 18:23 |
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DaemonFC | "So in addition to the MPEG kerfuffle, we're now admitting that Americans are screwed on pricing, and most people in most countries have to beg Fluendo for a free as in beer plug-in. Beautiful." | Feb 27 18:28 |
DaemonFC | lol | Feb 27 18:28 |
bruce89 | seems as if they may have been slightly naïve | Feb 27 18:29 |
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DaemonFC | I think the Ubuntu One store is completely full of shit | Feb 27 18:30 |
DaemonFC | that's what I think | Feb 27 18:30 |
bruce89 | perhaps | Feb 27 18:31 |
DaemonFC | it's disgusting is what it is, it's just so wrong in so many ways | Feb 27 18:31 |
DaemonFC | it's so wrong that even in the alternate universe where they're right, they're still wrong | Feb 27 18:31 |
bruce89 | where have I heard that one before? | Feb 27 18:32 |
DaemonFC | Linus Torvalds | Feb 27 18:32 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 18:32 |
bruce89 | ah, that's him | Feb 27 18:32 |
DaemonFC | bruce89, My favorite Linus quote was the one about Alan Cox | Feb 27 18:33 |
bruce89 | refresh me | Feb 27 18:34 |
DaemonFC | "Not that nobody reads every post in linux-kernel. In fact, nobody who expects to have time left over to actually do any real kernel work will read even half. Except Alan Cox, but he's actually not human, but about a thousand gnomes working in under-ground caves in Swansea. None of the individual gnomes read all the postings either, they just work together really well." | Feb 27 18:34 |
DaemonFC | *Note | Feb 27 18:34 |
bruce89 | oh yes, I sort of remember that | Feb 27 18:35 |
bruce89 | Linus certainly has a way with words | Feb 27 18:35 |
DaemonFC | they jsut work together really well | Feb 27 18:35 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 18:35 |
bruce89 | we could have done with some of them in Rom | Feb 27 18:36 |
bruce89 | Rome | Feb 27 18:36 |
DaemonFC | watching Mesa I think they're about 1,000 gnomes working together realyl well | Feb 27 18:38 |
DaemonFC | lots of changes | Feb 27 18:38 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica extra! Jaron Lanier: Why people should pay more attention to me and not Web 2.0 http://newstechnica.com/?p=1712 HT @mecredis | Feb 27 18:55 | |
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sebsebseb | DaemonFC: You think the music store doesn't have any music worth buying or? | Feb 27 18:58 |
DaemonFC | too expensive compared to other MP3 stores | Feb 27 18:58 |
DaemonFC | MP3 sucks | Feb 27 18:58 |
DaemonFC | Why is Ubuntu pushing non-free formats? | Feb 27 18:58 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: To an extent yeah, but it's the most used music format, since of ignorance when it comes to this stuff. | Feb 27 18:59 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Since it's most used? | Feb 27 18:59 |
DaemonFC | yeah, maybe the difference is only 10 or 20 cents per file, but they're the same thing | Feb 27 18:59 |
DaemonFC | it's like one gas station is 10 cents cheaper per gallon than the one across the street | Feb 27 18:59 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: You wanted Amazon before, but then the Novell like Amazon deal. | Feb 27 18:59 |
DaemonFC | which one do you pull into? | Feb 27 18:59 |
DaemonFC | Amazon isn't the only other store | Feb 27 18:59 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well they probably can't just make a deal with all/most of the stores | Feb 27 19:00 |
sebsebseb | probably only one or two that they could actsualley make the deal with? | Feb 27 19:00 |
DaemonFC | you buy 100 MP3's you've paid $10 more than you would have elsewhere | Feb 27 19:00 |
DaemonFC | that's significant | Feb 27 19:00 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: some of that money goes to Canonical though | Feb 27 19:00 |
sebsebseb | where as if you buy else where, it won't | Feb 27 19:00 |
DaemonFC | you build a collection of 1,000 MP3s, you overpaid by $100 | Feb 27 19:00 |
DaemonFC | wow:) | Feb 27 19:01 |
sebsebseb | also not that many people buy a 1000 or so MP3's anyway right? | Feb 27 19:01 |
DaemonFC | well, most ipods are full of mp3s from bittorrent | Feb 27 19:01 |
DaemonFC | not AACs from Apple | Feb 27 19:01 |
sebsebseb | anyway Ipods and all that junk, no thanks, I'll rather have a standard CD player | Feb 27 19:01 |
sebsebseb | as for music, if I am going to buy it, i'll buy psyical music albums | Feb 27 19:01 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, An ipod holds anywhere from 200-over 1,000 albums, right? | Feb 27 19:02 |
DaemonFC | Apple said they only sold enough AACs to account for one album per ipod user | Feb 27 19:02 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: these more modern players can hold much for music | Feb 27 19:02 |
sebsebseb | ,but so what | Feb 27 19:02 |
sebsebseb | I am happy with CD's even so | Feb 27 19:02 |
DaemonFC | you know people are just torrenting the shit for free | Feb 27 19:02 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 19:02 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: people download a lot of music for free yes, but they are on the verge of starting to really try and tackle piracy, or so it seems | Feb 27 19:03 |
DaemonFC | they've been on the verge of that for about 30 years now | Feb 27 19:03 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 19:03 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: no Internet hasn't been main strame for that long | Feb 27 19:03 |
DaemonFC | ever since the first BBS went up | Feb 27 19:04 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 19:04 |
sebsebseb | BBS? | Feb 27 19:04 |
DaemonFC | Bulletin Board Service | Feb 27 19:04 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Anyway they are trying to get anti piracy stuff at the ISP level now. | Feb 27 19:04 |
DaemonFC | it won't work | Feb 27 19:04 |
DaemonFC | the people they're trying to fuck over are smarter than them | Feb 27 19:04 |
sebsebseb | well people can share music in other ways as well | Feb 27 19:04 |
DaemonFC | and in greater numbers | Feb 27 19:05 |
DaemonFC | it's why they always fail | Feb 27 19:05 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: most people who download music, don't really know much about that, hence using Limewire for example | Feb 27 19:05 |
DaemonFC | good, the RIAA can sue them and leave me alone | Feb 27 19:05 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 19:05 |
sebsebseb | the old Napster got closed down, but Limewire and such still exists hrm | Feb 27 19:05 |
DaemonFC | Limewire can't be shut down, but it's very easy to track and poison | Feb 27 19:06 |
DaemonFC | you're basically connecting to RIAAnet | Feb 27 19:06 |
sebsebseb | Limewire can't be closed down? | Feb 27 19:06 |
DaemonFC | nope | Feb 27 19:06 |
DaemonFC | decentralized | Feb 27 19:06 |
sebsebseb | connecting to RIAAnet? decentralized meaning? | Feb 27 19:06 |
sebsebseb | music is like games | Feb 27 19:07 |
DaemonFC | no, I mean the security of the protocol is weak | Feb 27 19:07 |
sebsebseb | there is quite a lot of free as in freedom stuff out there | Feb 27 19:07 |
sebsebseb | ,but yet, most people will do the propritary | Feb 27 19:07 |
DaemonFC | the RIAA likes to poison and track Gnutella (Limewire) cause it's easy | Feb 27 19:07 |
DaemonFC | and lots of people use it | Feb 27 19:07 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: torrents can be tracked as well | Feb 27 19:07 |
DaemonFC | the US government even seeds fake kiddie porn on Limewire | Feb 27 19:07 |
sebsebseb | or you get the torrent from the wrong source, and bang | Feb 27 19:07 |
DaemonFC | to sting idiots that take it lol | Feb 27 19:07 |
DaemonFC | yeah, Limewire is their favorite whipping boy | Feb 27 19:08 |
DaemonFC | that's all I'm saying | Feb 27 19:08 |
DaemonFC | bittorrent clients are still more robust | Feb 27 19:08 |
DaemonFC | harder to poison anyway | Feb 27 19:08 |
sebsebseb | robust? as in secure? | Feb 27 19:08 |
DaemonFC | well, you have blocklist support in most of them, that helps keep out bad peers | Feb 27 19:09 |
DaemonFC | not all of them though | Feb 27 19:09 |
DaemonFC | but it's one thing Limewire doesn't have | Feb 27 19:09 |
DaemonFC | trackers are centralized | Feb 27 19:09 |
DaemonFC | meaning fake torrents can be removed fast | Feb 27 19:09 |
DaemonFC | comments section on trackers sites can be used to sound the alarm if someone is sending out infringement notices over that torrent | Feb 27 19:10 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: trackers can be monitored though for piracy | Feb 27 19:10 |
DaemonFC | bittorrent clients can verify file bits more accurately and ban bad hosts that send corrupt data | Feb 27 19:10 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, That's why I use private trackers | Feb 27 19:11 |
DaemonFC | ;) | Feb 27 19:11 |
DaemonFC | or even semi-private ones | Feb 27 19:11 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: if everyone bought, what they were suppoused to | Feb 27 19:13 |
sebsebseb | I guess a lot more people would turn to opensource/freesoftware :) | Feb 27 19:13 |
sebsebseb | also creative commons that kind of music, maybe would be a bit more popular than it is at the moment | Feb 27 19:13 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Darknets are the safest | Feb 27 19:14 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Darknets? | Feb 27 19:14 |
DaemonFC | Friend2Friend type networks | Feb 27 19:14 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend-to-friend | Feb 27 19:14 |
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DaemonFC | only sharing with people you trust and people they trust and so on | Feb 27 19:14 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: proper anti piracy when it comes to Windows and Microsoft Office, woudn't really be a bad thing | Feb 27 19:14 |
DaemonFC | it's kind of a daisy chain of trust | Feb 27 19:14 |
sebsebseb | it would make more people use Desktop Linux and Open Office and such | Feb 27 19:15 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, No antipiracy crap will stop the Darknet | Feb 27 19:15 |
DaemonFC | even if they obliterate bittorrent totally :) | Feb 27 19:15 |
DaemonFC | people are smarter than the mafiaa, I said that already | Feb 27 19:15 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: a lot of people aren't | Feb 27 19:16 |
sebsebseb | a lot of people are rather stupid/ignorant when it comes to technology | Feb 27 19:16 |
DaemonFC | that's why you get people in court over downloading shit WMA files on Limewire | Feb 27 19:16 |
DaemonFC | :P | Feb 27 19:16 |
cubezzz | any p2p is fine | Feb 27 19:16 |
DaemonFC | think of them as the sacrificial goat | Feb 27 19:16 |
cubezzz | unless your ISP spies on you | Feb 27 19:16 |
DaemonFC | you know, farmers crossing the Amazon and all that | Feb 27 19:17 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: I thought the goverments can spy on us as well, not just ISP? | Feb 27 19:17 |
DaemonFC | sends a goat downstream to attract the piranha | Feb 27 19:17 |
DaemonFC | while they're busy devouring the goat, he and the rest of his herd cross | Feb 27 19:17 |
sebsebseb | anyway stupid/ignorant people pirate Windows, Microsoft Office, and stuff like that | Feb 27 19:18 |
cubezzz | perhaps | Feb 27 19:18 |
cubezzz | yes :) | Feb 27 19:18 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: to what? | Feb 27 19:18 |
cubezzz | Microwhat? I can barely remember now :) | Feb 27 19:18 |
cubezzz | is that software? :) | Feb 27 19:19 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: yeah sucky popular software | Feb 27 19:19 |
cubezzz | the goverment spying sebsebseb, but in Canada I doubt it | Feb 27 19:19 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: that the main streame computer ignorant uses | Feb 27 19:19 |
cubezzz | soon I'll have to build the Microsoft Museum :) | Feb 27 19:19 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: which just happens to also be most computer users | Feb 27 19:19 |
cubezzz | so people will remember the crappyness :) | Feb 27 19:19 |
DaemonFC | really there's not that much stuff I have that I shouldn't, basically all imports that you have to pay a fortune to get in the US anyway | Feb 27 19:20 |
cubezzz | in Canada we are not very dracoian | Feb 27 19:20 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: yeah eventaully Microsoft stuff will be in a computer musuem I guess | Feb 27 19:20 |
DaemonFC | in any event, our local mafiaa doesn't police that stuff | Feb 27 19:20 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Ubuntu/Canonical would make a better Microsoft | Feb 27 19:20 |
cubezzz | perhaps, it would be hard to do worse | Feb 27 19:21 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: Ubuntu is the first disto for a lot of computer ignorants, that aren't that ignorant anymore, to just use Windows :D | Feb 27 19:21 |
DaemonFC | I like Fedora because Red Hat doesn't have to corrupt it or be evil to produce it | Feb 27 19:21 |
DaemonFC | it's fully RHEL subsidized | Feb 27 19:21 |
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DaemonFC | speak of the devil | Feb 27 19:22 |
DaemonFC | jono, Following the Ubuntu One Music Store bug of fun? | Feb 27 19:22 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 19:22 |
jono | yeah I have seen it | Feb 27 19:22 |
jono | you having fun there? | Feb 27 19:23 |
jono | :) | Feb 27 19:23 |
DaemonFC | I'm a sarcastic shithead | Feb 27 19:23 |
DaemonFC | you can call me that, cause I just did | Feb 27 19:23 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 19:23 |
DaemonFC | you can even name an Ubuntu release after me | Feb 27 19:23 |
DaemonFC | yeah, jono, a place to grind an ax is always welcome | Feb 27 19:24 |
jono | lol | Feb 27 19:24 |
jono | :) | Feb 27 19:24 |
DaemonFC | so, feedback? | Feb 27 19:25 |
DaemonFC | official jono statement? | Feb 27 19:25 |
jono | I will look into it when I am back at work | Feb 27 19:25 |
jono | but this is the weekend | Feb 27 19:25 |
DaemonFC | ahhh | Feb 27 19:25 |
jono | and I worked every day every evening last week | Feb 27 19:26 |
jono | so I am a bit burned out | Feb 27 19:26 |
DaemonFC | anything you want me to tel lyour boss? | Feb 27 19:26 |
DaemonFC | he can't fire me you know | Feb 27 19:26 |
DaemonFC | I won't tell him you said it either | Feb 27 19:26 |
jono | lol | Feb 27 19:26 |
jono | no I will tell him anything I want to tell him | Feb 27 19:26 |
jono | :) | Feb 27 19:26 |
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DaemonFC | right then | Feb 27 19:27 |
DaemonFC | jono, Did I tell you I wrote most of the Uncyclopedia article on Ubuntu | Feb 27 19:27 |
DaemonFC | I was inspired | Feb 27 19:27 |
jono | DaemonFC, well, we all contribute to open source in our way, I guess | Feb 27 19:28 |
jono | :) | Feb 27 19:28 |
DaemonFC | well, I lampooned whatever you call it | Feb 27 19:29 |
jono | s/our/our own | Feb 27 19:29 |
DaemonFC | I'm not sure I like this edit though "Ubuntu (also known as Windows Linux Edition)" | Feb 27 19:29 |
DaemonFC | I think that still may be OpenSuse by a nose | Feb 27 19:29 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu doesn't have an EXE greeting you "yet" | Feb 27 19:30 |
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DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 19:30 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: @ me coming back? | Feb 27 19:30 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: anyway stupid lose computer power cable or whatever, so I lost the power | Feb 27 19:30 |
sebsebseb | Did I miss anything interesting or whatever, after you put speak of the devil? If so what? | Feb 27 19:30 |
bruce89 | erm | Feb 27 19:31 |
DaemonFC | jono saying it's not his fucking problem til he's on the clock | Feb 27 19:31 |
DaemonFC | (my words) | Feb 27 19:31 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: jono put what? | Feb 27 19:31 |
jono | DaemonFC, whatever | Feb 27 19:31 |
bruce89 | not quite in so many words | Feb 27 19:31 |
DaemonFC | slacker :) | Feb 27 19:32 |
jono | DaemonFC, you are a troll, my friend, I am not going to engage with trolls :) | Feb 27 19:32 |
DaemonFC | seems like you are | Feb 27 19:32 |
jono | not now | Feb 27 19:32 |
DaemonFC | :( | Feb 27 19:32 |
sebsebseb | jono: People seem to like to use this channel to express their negative opinions or feelings about stuff. When I do stuff like that, I don't always mean it fully, depends. | Feb 27 19:34 |
DaemonFC | well, nonfree software and patent trolls are going where the bait is at | Feb 27 19:35 |
DaemonFC | all kind of coalescing around Ubuntu | Feb 27 19:35 |
DaemonFC | take raccoons for example, always digging through your garbage, sprawling it out over your yard | Feb 27 19:36 |
bruce89 | uugh | Feb 27 19:37 |
DaemonFC | or sharks when there's blood in the water | Feb 27 19:37 |
bruce89 | I don't know what's worse, Scotland making a mess of it, or this | Feb 27 19:37 |
DaemonFC | right now Ubuntu is bleeding cash and the sharks are leveraging this for their own gain | Feb 27 19:38 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu could also be considered a hungry raccoon digging through proprietary software's garbage bins looking for something to eat | Feb 27 19:38 |
DaemonFC | that's where Bing search and that proprietary MP3 store contraption came from | Feb 27 19:39 |
DaemonFC | and Ubuntu One (Amazon, a Linux-hostile company) | Feb 27 19:39 |
jono | DaemonFC, have you considered (a) just use something else and stop trolling or (b) trying and contribute to the solution instead of just trolling? you do realize that trolling is actually harmful to the FLOSS community, right? | Feb 27 19:40 |
DaemonFC | they're so desperate for cash, they don't care where it comes from or who they have to sell down the river to get it | Feb 27 19:40 |
jono | I am not trying to change your mind, but I think you could have a more productive impact on change | Feb 27 19:40 |
jono | if you disagree with us, fine, but do something *useful* to make what you think should happen, happen | Feb 27 19:40 |
sebsebseb | jono: I agree, negative comments on the web, that aren't fully true, about Ubuntu 9.10 being a bad release, can be harmful to the Linux community as a whole not just Ubuntu. | Feb 27 19:41 |
DaemonFC | now might be a good time to get off Ubuntu and onto something that isn't actively betraying their users | Feb 27 19:41 |
jono | trolling is not useful, it just makes you look lame and take up other people's time | Feb 27 19:41 |
jono | DaemonFC, there you go, there are many other choices | Feb 27 19:41 |
sebsebseb | jono: I mean some of that 9.10 is bad stuff I read before, seems to of been typed up by people who didn't really understand how Ubuntu does it's releases. | Feb 27 19:41 |
jono | DaemonFC, you have a lot of energy, which is awesome, I just wish you would spend it in a productive way | Feb 27 19:41 |
DaemonFC | jono, So RMS should quit complaining about Apple? | Feb 27 19:42 |
jono | RMS is not a troll, he works on productive things | Feb 27 19:42 |
DaemonFC | he spends an awful lot of time trolling Apple | Feb 27 19:42 |
DaemonFC | poor Apple | Feb 27 19:42 |
jono | RMS has committed his life to productive, worthy work on free software | Feb 27 19:42 |
jono | his work on GNU, the GPL and other things is awesome | Feb 27 19:42 |
sebsebseb | jono: Have you ever mett RMS by the way? | Feb 27 19:42 |
bruce89 | even the Wales game was better than this | Feb 27 19:42 |
jono | sebsebseb, yep | Feb 27 19:42 |
sebsebseb | jono: What you think of him? | Feb 27 19:42 |
jono | sebsebseb, great guy | Feb 27 19:42 |
DaemonFC | and when DefectiveByDesign calls out bad people doing bad things? | Feb 27 19:43 |
sebsebseb | RMS has some slightly extreame veiws according to certain people, but as Desktop Linux users, we should all be rather loyal to him really | Feb 27 19:43 |
sebsebseb | and not joke about him | Feb 27 19:43 |
sebsebseb | Linux distros most of them use a lot of the GNU tools after all | Feb 27 19:43 |
jono | DaemonFC, disagreeing is not trolling, but just niggling away at people on IRC is | Feb 27 19:43 |
DaemonFC | they all do spare Android I think | Feb 27 19:43 |
jono | DaemonFC, I am just saying I think you could harness your energy in more productive ways | Feb 27 19:44 |
jono | which could really further free software | Feb 27 19:44 |
jono | but being another bitchy kid on IRC is not useful | Feb 27 19:44 |
jono | :) | Feb 27 19:44 |
jono | if you want ideas for ways to harness your energy, I am happy to help :) | Feb 27 19:44 |
jono | I can certainly offer suggestions outside of Ubuntu | Feb 27 19:44 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: that windows 7 sins site is maybe a bit extreame in certain ways, but Microsoft have done similar stuff when it comes to Desktop Linux also | Feb 27 19:47 |
DaemonFC | Get The FUD | Feb 27 19:47 |
DaemonFC | We're cheaper, even when we cost twice as much | Feb 27 19:47 |
DaemonFC | and we have the study results we paid for right here | Feb 27 19:47 |
DaemonFC | they told us everything we told them to | Feb 27 19:47 |
jono | DaemonFC, I take it you are not interesting in doing something which is more productive then? | Feb 27 19:48 |
jono | which is fine | Feb 27 19:48 |
DaemonFC | who says I'm not? | Feb 27 19:48 |
jono | DaemonFC, so you are then? | Feb 27 19:48 |
DaemonFC | not FOSS related, certainly productive, no I can't talk about it, yes people would want to kill me | Feb 27 19:49 |
sebsebseb | jono: It's Saturday, do you get week ends off or not? | Feb 27 19:50 |
jono | DaemonFC, eh? | Feb 27 19:51 |
DaemonFC | in fact, if I had cigars, I'm almost sure people would be poisoning them already | Feb 27 19:51 |
jono | DaemonFC, why do people dislike you so much? | Feb 27 19:52 |
jono | sebsebseb, I do get the weekends off, although I choose to work most of them | Feb 27 19:52 |
sebsebseb | jono: and then you work all week as well, if you worked at weekend or? | Feb 27 19:53 |
jono | yeah, I work all week and then often work the weekends too | Feb 27 19:53 |
DaemonFC | because I'm one of those unsavory personality types in asymmetrical warfare with societal standards as we know them | Feb 27 19:53 |
sebsebseb | jono: and get paid extra I assume for the weekends | Feb 27 19:53 |
DaemonFC | or something to that effect | Feb 27 19:53 |
jono | DaemonFC, and you like that? | Feb 27 19:53 |
jono | DaemonFC, would you not prefer to be seen in an inspirational way around FLOSS? | Feb 27 19:53 |
jono | sebsebseb, no, not paid extra | Feb 27 19:54 |
jono | I just have a *lot* of work to do :) | Feb 27 19:54 |
DaemonFC | salary | Feb 27 19:54 |
jono | salary? | Feb 27 19:54 |
DaemonFC | I will never work salary again as long as I live | Feb 27 19:54 |
sebsebseb | jono: such as? what kind of stuff do you actsualley do? | Feb 27 19:54 |
jono | DaemonFC, what do you do for a living? | Feb 27 19:54 |
DaemonFC | I was in retail management for a few years | Feb 27 19:55 |
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DaemonFC | 48-60 hours a week, sleeping on my desk some times | Feb 27 19:55 |
DaemonFC | I hated that | Feb 27 19:55 |
jono | DaemonFC, what do you do now? | Feb 27 19:56 |
DaemonFC | you could say I'm my own boss | Feb 27 19:56 |
DaemonFC | but I don't discuss business | Feb 27 19:56 |
jono | DaemonFC, right | Feb 27 19:56 |
jono | DaemonFC, ok, well I need to get on | Feb 27 19:56 |
jono | but if you want to stop the trolling and do some productive work, let me know if you want some ideas - I think you could do an awesome job | Feb 27 19:57 |
jono | :) | Feb 27 19:57 |
DaemonFC | working in other windows and having music going and chat programs there is nice | Feb 27 19:57 |
DaemonFC | it doesn't feel like work most of the time | Feb 27 19:57 |
DaemonFC | jono, Catch up on sleep. Best use for Saturday | Feb 27 19:58 |
jono | ok | Feb 27 19:59 |
jono | later | Feb 27 19:59 |
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schestowitz | "@schestowitz Haven't seen any. Care to point me to some properly peer-reviewed papers?" http://identi.ca/notice/23268968 | Feb 27 20:13 |
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schestowitz | "@fabsh RMS linked to one last week. There is also recent stuff like http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10419518-17.html " | Feb 27 20:18 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/27/AR2010022701580_2.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2010022701681 | Feb 27 20:25 |
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DaemonFC | bruce89, popey did go ask if there are GUIDs in the MP3 files from the 7digital store | Feb 27 20:44 |
DaemonFC | if they answer that much, I did get some important information out of the tirade I guess | Feb 27 20:44 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: What are GUIDs? | Feb 27 20:46 |
DaemonFC | globally unique identifiers | Feb 27 20:46 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I don't understand | Feb 27 20:46 |
DaemonFC | they can be used as a cookie embedded in the MP3 tag to personally identify who bought them | Feb 27 20:46 |
sebsebseb | oh | Feb 27 20:46 |
bruce89 | ah | Feb 27 20:46 |
DaemonFC | I asked them to confirm or deny that the music downloads in Ubuntu One have those or not | Feb 27 20:47 |
DaemonFC | I consider them a form of spyware | Feb 27 20:47 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: what does tirade mean, I guess you mean Canonical/Ubuntu? I am not that good at words | Feb 27 20:47 |
DaemonFC | tirade = bitching loudly | Feb 27 20:48 |
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DaemonFC | incessantly | Feb 27 20:48 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: as in a lot? | Feb 27 20:48 |
sebsebseb | anyway that's an idea, having the names of people who bought an MP3 in the tags | Feb 27 20:48 |
sebsebseb | then some of those people might put it on bittorrent or something, others illegally download, and bang | Feb 27 20:49 |
DaemonFC | go off on a tirade means that something pissed you off and you're blind in anger and won't stop bitching about it | Feb 27 20:49 |
DaemonFC | I guess is how I'd put it | Feb 27 20:49 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, That's one reason it's spyware | Feb 27 20:49 |
DaemonFC | and why some stores use them | Feb 27 20:49 |
DaemonFC | Apple iTunes does | Feb 27 20:50 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I don't think about music tags normalley, in fact I don't know much about them | Feb 27 20:50 |
sebsebseb | ,but yes | Feb 27 20:50 |
sebsebseb | name of the song and such | Feb 27 20:50 |
DaemonFC | another reason is that Last.FM or something could scrobble those files | Feb 27 20:50 |
sebsebseb | most people probably don't know about tags, that use MP3 | Feb 27 20:50 |
DaemonFC | and they know exactly who bought them | Feb 27 20:50 |
DaemonFC | I'm paranoid about such things | Feb 27 20:50 |
DaemonFC | and want it to be known if they use GUIDs in their MP3s they sell | Feb 27 20:51 |
DaemonFC | it's a legitimate concern | Feb 27 20:51 |
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DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Apple actually adds about 500 K to every AAC file you get from iTunes | Feb 27 20:51 |
bruce89 | http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/lh/photo/7F94mW_P4X4ELoVycKms0w?feat=directlink | Feb 27 20:51 |
sebsebseb | 500K of tag data? | Feb 27 20:51 |
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DaemonFC | it has a lot of information about you in it | Feb 27 20:51 |
DaemonFC | yes | Feb 27 20:51 |
DaemonFC | and tag editors won't remove it | Feb 27 20:52 |
DaemonFC | it's proprietary | Feb 27 20:52 |
sebsebseb | Word documents used to or still have | Feb 27 20:52 |
sebsebseb | I mean can have quite a bit of info about people in them | Feb 27 20:52 |
sebsebseb | ,but yet people email them etc | Feb 27 20:52 |
sebsebseb | meta data yeah | Feb 27 20:52 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, The MP3 format is more limited in most ways than AAC | Feb 27 20:52 |
DaemonFC | the good thing is so is the tagging system | Feb 27 20:52 |
DaemonFC | id3 can only store a few K of data | Feb 27 20:52 |
DaemonFC | it's still enough to put some globally unique information in there though | Feb 27 20:53 |
DaemonFC | misuse the tag fields to insert a hash value or something | Feb 27 20:53 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: some of the stuff you have said in here, doesn't look good, maybe you should worry a bit about what you say in here, after all someone might come after you as a result? | Feb 27 20:53 |
DaemonFC | no | Feb 27 20:53 |
bruce89 | who do you have in mind? | Feb 27 20:54 |
DaemonFC | It's known that they do these things, just not well known | Feb 27 20:54 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: The Internet police? | Feb 27 20:54 |
bruce89 | ah yes, hello | Feb 27 20:54 |
DaemonFC | and it should be well known that the music you download could be ratting you out or helping people spy on you | Feb 27 20:54 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well if you buy MP3's | Feb 27 20:55 |
sebsebseb | you shoudn't share them with other people in the first place | Feb 27 20:55 |
sebsebseb | it's as simple as that | Feb 27 20:55 |
DaemonFC | MP3s aren't really that hard to strip | Feb 27 20:55 |
DaemonFC | just clear the tags and re-tag them | Feb 27 20:55 |
DaemonFC | there may still be a watermark in the audio, but all that tells them is what store sold that file | Feb 27 20:56 |
DaemonFC | not who bought it | Feb 27 20:56 |
sebsebseb | Ubuntu One | Feb 27 20:56 |
sebsebseb | and Ubuntu Music Store | Feb 27 20:56 |
sebsebseb | are two services I don't plan on using | Feb 27 20:56 |
DaemonFC | no, they would be watermarked from 7digital | Feb 27 20:56 |
DaemonFC | Amazon watermarks theirs too | Feb 27 20:56 |
DaemonFC | so does lala | Feb 27 20:57 |
sebsebseb | may as well just buy albums if going to buy music | Feb 27 20:57 |
sebsebseb | at least that way | Feb 27 20:57 |
sebsebseb | get a nice psyical product as well | Feb 27 20:57 |
DaemonFC | yeah, CD quality | Feb 27 20:57 |
sebsebseb | problem with CD's though, is really they can brake quite easilley | Feb 27 20:57 |
DaemonFC | sebsebseb, rip them to FLAC | Feb 27 20:57 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 20:57 |
sebsebseb | well yeah they can be converted into music formats | Feb 27 20:58 |
DaemonFC | flac is lossless | Feb 27 20:58 |
DaemonFC | it's like having the CD without having to put the CD in | Feb 27 20:58 |
sebsebseb | in fact some people will buy CD's, convert them into music formats, and then put away the CD into a safe place | Feb 27 20:58 |
sebsebseb | to keep | Feb 27 20:58 |
DaemonFC | I'd be fine with paying the $6-7 for q6 Vorbis | Feb 27 20:59 |
bruce89 | files break easier, you just run rm on them | Feb 27 20:59 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: :D | Feb 27 20:59 |
sebsebseb | DaemonFC: q6? | Feb 27 20:59 |
DaemonFC | quality level 6 | Feb 27 20:59 |
sebsebseb | right whatever that is | Feb 27 20:59 |
sebsebseb | well the name gives us an idea what that is :D | Feb 27 20:59 |
bruce89 | it's higher than 5, and lower than 7 | Feb 27 20:59 |
DaemonFC | variable bitrate averaging about 192k | Feb 27 20:59 |
bruce89 | well, in the old days maybe | Feb 27 21:00 |
DaemonFC | Vorbis uses lossless stereo coupling and some insane cutoffs at q6 | Feb 27 21:00 |
DaemonFC | I'd dare just about anyone to spot the Vorbis from the CD | Feb 27 21:00 |
DaemonFC | really q5 does well enough in most cases | Feb 27 21:01 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 3,500 People Move to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/nsy5 http://ur1.ca/nsy6 | Feb 27 21:01 | |
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DaemonFC | it uses point stereo somewhat | Feb 27 21:01 |
DaemonFC | anything lower than q3 uses point entirely and the stereo image can easily collapse :P | Feb 27 21:01 |
bruce89 | I see (sort of) | Feb 27 21:01 |
DaemonFC | bruce89, Point essentially saves on bitrate by cutting into redundancies in the stereo image | Feb 27 21:02 |
DaemonFC | the lower down the quality scale you go, the more you'll notice it | Feb 27 21:02 |
bruce89 | now I do completely | Feb 27 21:03 |
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DaemonFC | because the redundancy level becomes less and less redundant :) | Feb 27 21:03 |
DaemonFC | eventually there's no stereo separation left at all | Feb 27 21:03 |
DaemonFC | the other thing it does as you go lower and lower is lower the lowpass filter | Feb 27 21:04 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 21:04 |
DaemonFC | q5 is really the lowest you want to go with Vorbis to get good results | Feb 27 21:04 |
DaemonFC | the lowpass filter at q5 is 20.2 Khz | Feb 27 21:05 |
DaemonFC | at q4, it is 18.7 Khz | Feb 27 21:05 |
DaemonFC | upper range of human hearing can be as much as 20 Khz | Feb 27 21:05 |
DaemonFC | so if you set it lower than 5, you risk having it throw away audio data that you can perceive | Feb 27 21:06 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux as Standard for Ease of Use http://blogs.computerworld.com/15627/say_this_is_almost_as_easy_as_linux | Feb 27 21:06 | |
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DaemonFC | obviously if you're using Vorbis for voice or low bitrate streaming, you'll go below 5 | Feb 27 21:06 |
DaemonFC | -2 is good enough for voice | Feb 27 21:07 |
DaemonFC | the official encoder only goes down to -1 though | Feb 27 21:07 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux is Expanding, Female Crowd Gets More Attention http://ur1.ca/nsyy http://ur1.ca/nsyz | Feb 27 21:08 | |
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DaemonFC | Aotuv merge introduced negative numbers for quality values | Feb 27 21:08 |
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DaemonFC | original Vorbis was 0-10 which is roughly 64k to 500k | Feb 27 21:08 |
DaemonFC | -1 gives you 48k, and -2 is 32k | Feb 27 21:08 |
bruce89 | of course, speex comes into the equation | Feb 27 21:09 |
DaemonFC | yeah, if your device plays speex | Feb 27 21:09 |
DaemonFC | more devices play Vorbis than Speex | Feb 27 21:09 |
DaemonFC | I'd use -2 Vorbis for speech just cause more things will play it | Feb 27 21:09 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canada Uses tax Against #GNU #Linux http://mdeslaur.blogspot.com/2010/02/canadian-tax-software-and-linux.html | Feb 27 21:10 | |
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sebsebseb | http://www.computerworlduk.com/management/government-law/legislation/news/index.cfm?newsid=19060 | Feb 27 21:10 |
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DaemonFC | Vorbis can also drop to frame sizes as low as 1kbps in silence | Feb 27 21:10 |
DaemonFC | you're not going to end up with massively bigger -2 Vorbis files than you will in speex | Feb 27 21:11 |
DaemonFC | Speex was really meant to be useful for low bandwidth VOIP | Feb 27 21:11 |
DaemonFC | Ekiga uses it | Feb 27 21:11 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cray Deploys #GNU #Linux for #DepartmentofDefence http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/cray_dod_deals/ | Feb 27 21:12 | |
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bruce89 | http://people.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons/ | Feb 27 21:13 |
bruce89 | quite interesting | Feb 27 21:13 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ConKolivas Contributes Directly to #Linux #Kernel Space http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODAxOQ | Feb 27 21:14 | |
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DaemonFC | hmmmm | Feb 27 21:14 |
DaemonFC | OK, 7digital is not putting GUIDs in their MP3 files | Feb 27 21:14 |
DaemonFC | no watermarking either | Feb 27 21:14 |
DaemonFC | yay | Feb 27 21:16 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Steam for #GNU #Linux Inevitable, #Linux Rubik’s Cube http://www.thinq.co.uk/news/2010/2/26/steam-could-be-coming-to-mac/ | Feb 27 21:23 | |
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sebsebseb | schestowitz: Steam should be coming to Linux | Feb 27 21:23 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: quite a lot of people Wine it | Feb 27 21:23 |
sebsebseb | Desktop Linux :) | Feb 27 21:24 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOM E Desktop 3 Has New Components http://ur1.ca/nt10 http://ur1.ca/nt11 | Feb 27 21:25 | |
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phIRCe-BNc | Title: "Task Pooper" could revolutionize GNOME desktop .::. Size~: 36.43 KB | Feb 27 21:25 |
bruce89 | I love the idea, but the name needs rethinking | Feb 27 21:25 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Phoronix Test Suite Becomes a #GNU #Linux Distribution http://ur1.ca/nt17 | Feb 27 21:26 | |
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DaemonFC | bruce89, No worse than Bug Buddy | Feb 27 21:26 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 21:26 |
bruce89 | I guess | Feb 27 21:26 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva to Present at Solutions #Linux 2010 Exhibition http://ur1.ca/nt1a | Feb 27 21:27 | |
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DaemonFC | I eagerly await GNOME 3 | Feb 27 21:27 |
DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 21:27 |
bruce89 | so do I | Feb 27 21:28 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Having a Multitude of Distributions is Great http://ostatic.com/blog/in-defense-of-distro-hopping http://lwn.net/Articles/374737/ | Feb 27 21:29 | |
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bruce89 | rather funny wee details in the new gnome-icon-theme | Feb 27 21:29 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] IE6/IE7 users! http://newstechnica.com now has a favicon, a white-on-red 'n'. it works in IE8, does it work in IE6/IE7? please test | Feb 27 21:31 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Debian #GNU #Linux Suitable for Academia http://ur1.ca/nt1u | Feb 27 21:31 | |
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bruce89 | the calculator says "why all this detail" on the solar cell | Feb 27 21:32 |
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DaemonFC | the compositor in gnome shell is way faster than Compiz | Feb 27 21:42 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10.04 Technically Just as Good or Better Than #Vista7 http://ur1.ca/nt2t | Feb 27 21:42 | |
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bruce89 | mutter | Feb 27 21:44 |
bruce89 | incidentally gnome0icon-theme's multimedia-player icon has Jono Bacon : Free Software Song playing | Feb 27 21:47 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Why PC gaming has it’s days numbered http://tinyurl.com/yhcl6wk #microsoft #windows #xbox #ps3 | Feb 27 21:50 | |
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sebsebseb | bruce89: DaemonFC http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010022602835NWLL | Feb 27 21:51 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UNIX and #Linux Become Leaders in Mobile #Phones http://ur1.ca/nt47 | Feb 27 21:51 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks with #GNU #Linux Boosted by #ARM http://ur1.ca/nt49 http://ur1.ca/nt4a http://ur1.ca/nt4b | Feb 27 21:52 | |
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DaemonFC | hmm, I take back half of the bad things I've said about Europe | Feb 27 21:52 |
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DaemonFC | :) | Feb 27 21:52 |
DaemonFC | if they kill the rest of ACTA, I'll take back the other half | Feb 27 21:53 |
DaemonFC | ok, hell | Feb 27 21:53 |
DaemonFC | they did good | Feb 27 21:53 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Phones Run Full #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/nt4p http://ur1.ca/nt4q | Feb 27 21:54 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Tablets with #GNU #Linux Render Competitors Obsolete http://ostatic.com/blog/how-dual-os-open-source-tablets-could-slay-apples-ipad | Feb 27 21:55 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Possibly Smallest #CPU Core Ever Runs #Linux http://www.electropages.com/viewArticle.aspx?intArticle=14923 | Feb 27 21:56 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla to Educate British Public http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/31716/mozilla-begins-opentochoice-org-campaign | Feb 27 22:01 | |
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schestowitz | [21:27] <DaemonFC> I eagerly await GNOME 3 | Feb 27 22:09 |
schestowitz | September | Feb 27 22:09 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Wat is er nu weer loos op het Ubuntu-NL forum, hebben ze me nu wéér onterecht gebanned? | Feb 27 22:17 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Heb me opnieuw als steunpunt aangemeld, wilde dit even melden. Kan niet. | Feb 27 22:19 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #EFF Reminds World That People's #CivilRights at Risk (USA PATRIOT) http://ur1.ca/nqo2 http://ur1.ca/nt7s | Feb 27 22:21 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Zit schijnbaar weer een slotje op dit topic. http://tinyurl.com/yd4xxyq | Feb 27 22:22 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK IT minister Clueless About the Web, Sir Tim Berners-Lee to the Rescue http://ur1.ca/nt88 http://ur1.ca/nt89 | Feb 27 22:24 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Data/Access Gains More Momentum http://www.unr.edu/features/09-10/haiti/ http://www.statepress.com/node/11232 | Feb 27 22:25 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA is Under Attack in #Europe http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,1000000085,40057434,00.htm | Feb 27 22:29 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The US Cracks Down on Net's #FreeSpeech http://ur1.ca/nt8r http://ur1.ca/nt8s | Feb 27 22:29 | |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfYyBp4Ln2s&feature=related | Feb 27 22:35 |
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schestowitz | Check out his channel =3 | Feb 27 22:36 |
schestowitz | I've watched about 40 videos there... just accumulations | Feb 27 22:36 |
bruce89 | the printer's called Havoc-Penningto | Feb 27 22:45 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@buzzflash Before the military forces people to watch #FOX <--- whoa, hold it right there. #wtf The Propaganda Network #war #death #gop | Feb 27 22:54 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@buzzflash Before the military forces people to watch #FOX <--whoa, hold it right there #wtf http://tinyurl.com/yal74ek #Propaganda Network | Feb 27 22:55 | |
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sebsebseb | hi oiaohm | Feb 27 23:00 |
sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: Poor Canada in a way, no medals in the alpine skiing. | Feb 27 23:01 |
bruce89 | plenty everywhere else | Feb 27 23:02 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jmcesteves: RT @agnes_europe La Commission #eu défavorable à la transparence de l'#ACTA ? http://bit.ly/9SDFGT | Feb 27 23:06 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Já dizia o meu avô! ♺ @pvilela: Hoje em dia instalar sw é mto mais fácil em Linux que em windows ♺ @jfborges: http://ow.ly/1bTEn | Feb 27 23:07 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @deathboyuk A warm bath. Enya. Candles. A harness. The deluxe Anal Violator.Three otters and an arm full of heroin. Some "me" time! | Feb 27 23:16 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Oh won't #cpanel, #whm, #phpmyadmin just go away... a #gui does not a #sysadmin make. #fail #useless | Feb 27 23:19 | |
bruce89 | I'll need to learn how to do Fedora packaging some day | Feb 27 23:20 |
Diablo-D3 | meh | Feb 27 23:21 |
*Diablo-D3 ponders running redhat | Feb 27 23:22 | |
schestowitz | In Soviet Russia, Fedora packages YOU! | Feb 27 23:23 |
bruce89 | ah yes, you must remind me to install bruce-cowan-0.0.0-1.fc13.rpm | Feb 27 23:25 |
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MinceR | :> | Feb 27 23:26 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Enough for today. Going to watch some films. Stephen King's the Mist and "The Others". Good night! | Feb 27 23:27 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Id love for there to be a system where I could contribute my PC CPU cycles to the launchpad build bots.Security issues a plenty.I can dream. | Feb 27 23:30 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Facebook is becoming a software patents nuisance and its potential ties with #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/ntfi | Feb 27 23:36 | |
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schestowitz | bruce89: your wife said you're a dependency hell :-D | Feb 27 23:39 |
bruce89 | oh dear | Feb 27 23:39 |
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bruce89 | X crashed on me | Feb 27 23:42 |
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