| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Head of Global Health for the #GatesFoundation Has Criminal Baggage in the #Pharmaceutical Cartel http://ur1.ca/ntis | Feb 28 00:05 | |
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| schestowitz | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100107200339AAQsUw8 | Feb 28 00:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 28 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Why is it that Bill Gates, Monsanto, and The Rockefeller foundation built a seed vault in Norway? | Feb 28 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Why is it that Bill Gates decides through the Gates Foundation to invest some $30 million of their hard earned money into this project? What is it they know? | Feb 28 00:07 |
| schestowitz | I know its been about two years but I want to know why. | Feb 28 00:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 28 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/+bug/528910/comments/22 | Feb 28 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Feb 28 00:12 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: well | Feb 28 00:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres nothing wrong with planning for the impossible | Feb 28 00:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | the world will never end, but it doesnt mean you cant safeguard against it. | Feb 28 00:19 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: bruce89 does not have a wife! | Feb 28 00:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, with a name like bruce, clearly hes the having a husband type | Feb 28 00:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohohoho | Feb 28 00:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bravo, BBC: “ #Botnets Are Usually Armies of Hijacked #Windows PCs That Send Spam or Malware.” http://ur1.ca/ntks | Feb 28 00:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The ‘New Microsoft’ - A gentler, kinder #Microsoft ? Not so fast, reveal news items http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/27/the-new-microsoft/ | Feb 28 00:38 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: damn good question | Feb 28 00:40 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Many thanks to batden, Giorgos Koutsikos and Massimo Maiurana for translating #elmdentica into fr, el and it, respectively :) | Feb 28 00:58 | |
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| schestowitz | Holy * | Feb 28 01:06 |
| schestowitz | charm offence | Feb 28 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Server load is 22 | Feb 28 01:06 |
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| FurnaceBoy | .. | Feb 28 01:06 |
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| schestowitz | Did we make FP of /, or something? | Feb 28 01:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | hhrhr | Feb 28 01:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | is it apache? | Feb 28 01:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | how many apache procs? | Feb 28 01:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol apache. | Feb 28 01:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | worst httpd ever | Feb 28 01:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | go use cherokee | Feb 28 01:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | sendmail | Feb 28 01:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | bind | Feb 28 01:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | mysql | Feb 28 01:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | hpux | Feb 28 01:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | reiserfs | Feb 28 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: things that suck lol | Feb 28 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | well except that last one, it'll murder your wife | Feb 28 01:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | eh? | Feb 28 01:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, Hans Reiser is in jail for murdering his wife. | Feb 28 01:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | his code didn't murder anyone, afaik | Feb 28 01:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | now, microsoft otoh... | Feb 28 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | mono Rejection by the Community | Feb 28 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Despite Failure (Rejection by Users and Developers), Novell Carries on Spreading Mono and Moonlight | Feb 28 01:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i'll nudge you occasionally to check whether mirroring is still on your radar. i mean, outside us | Feb 28 01:12 |
| schestowitz | <p align="center"> | Feb 28 01:12 |
| schestowitz | <br /> | Feb 28 01:12 |
| schestowitz | <em><font color="#555555">Source: <a href="http://softwarelivre.org/aurium/blog/mono-the-trojan" title="Mono, the trojan">"Mono, the trojan"</a> (reused with permission)</font></em> | Feb 28 01:12 |
| schestowitz | </p> | Feb 28 01:12 |
| schestowitz | <em><b>Summary</b>: </em> | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | <p class="dropcap-first"><a name="top">V</a>ISUAL ILLUSTRATIONS are fun. Check out the image at the top. It nicely captures the situation with <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Mono" title="Mono">Mono</a> and <a href="http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Moonlight" title="Moonlight">Moonlight</a>, which are Novell's main 'gifts' to GNU/Linux. Fortunately, [cref 17245 neither developers nor users are interested in | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Mono].</p> | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Let's remind ourselves what Novell is doing to Free software. Starting with Moonlight, here is a <a href="http://www.valleyadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=11410" title="Art in Paradise: I Want My Curling">new article</a>: | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | <blockquote cite="http://www.valleyadvocate.com/article.cfm?aid=11410"> | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | The difficulty of watching the Olympics online reveals the dangers of a more restricted Internet. | Feb 28 01:13 |
| bruce89 | erm | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | [...] | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | NBC asked me to download Microsoft Starlight. I hit the download page. Uh-oh—I use Linux. Microsoft was not impressed, and sent me chasing the related Novell product, which I installed. | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Back to NBC. NBC asked me to download Starlight again. No other link was live. Suffice it so say this loop of joy apparently goes on forever. | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | </blockquote> | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | So it doesn't even work, which is probably why Moblin has already rejected Moonlight [[cref 18903 1], [cref 19200 2], [cref 18926 3]]. Moblin and Maemo are now being merged to make MeeGo, which [cref 27482 Novell is already trying to infect with Mono]. Here is <a href="http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/MonoDevelop-support-for-MeeGo-938500.html" title="MonoDevelop support for MeeGo">more</a> <a href="http://news.dzone.com/dose/ | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | dzone-daily-dose-224" title="Daily Dose - Mono Supports MeeGo Apps - Android Support Coming">coverage</a> of this and Novell's Ian Bruce <a href="http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=1912" title="Intel, Nokia put weight behind mobile Linux">mentions it as well</a> (he is Novell's PR Director). | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Based on <a href="http://foodformonkeys.blogspot.com/2010/02/loading-executables-as-monodevelop.html" title="Loading executables as MonoDevelop projects">the following new post</a>, Microsoft MVP Miguel de Icaza has urged the MonoDevelop team to enable opening of .exe or .dll, adding further to the .NET bias of the software (which incorporates an advantage to Windows [[cref 10386 1], [cref 12543 2]]). | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | <blockquote cite="http://foodformonkeys.blogspot.com/2010/02/loading-executables-as-monodevelop.html"> | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Miguel recently blogged about a trick for loading an executable assembly as a project inside MonoDevelop. I have now added native support for this feature, which means that it is now possible to directly open a .exe or .dll as a project, or add it to an existing solution. | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | </blockquote> | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile, Novell <a href="http://gburt.blogspot.com/2010/02/banshee-154.html" title="Banshee 1.5.4">releases</a> a <a href="http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/2010/02/banshee-154-released.html" title="Banshee 1.5.4 Released">new version of a Mono application called Banshee</a>, which [cref 15000 only Novell customers can use safely] (for the next two years). Banshee strives to replace perfecly acceptable applications that do not use | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's APIs. Then there is Tomboy, which attached itself to GNOME, but luckily we now have Gnote [[cref 12224 1], [cref 8294 2], [cref 9087 3], [cref 21263 4]] (<a href="https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/bbckclmkoiihffpfbbmplffajljfemcl?hl=en" title="Extensions - GNote">Tony Manco shows us that another new project is called GNote</a>). <a href="#top">█</a> | Feb 28 01:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's more about Mono than i wanted to know, but thanks | Feb 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Feb 28 01:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 28 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Could be worse. I could paste something private | Feb 28 01:14 |
| schestowitz | By accident | Feb 28 01:14 |
| schestowitz | "Error 503 Service Unavailable" | Feb 28 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm...... | Feb 28 01:15 |
| schestowitz | Could be DDoSed, but I need to check | Feb 28 01:17 |
| schestowitz | tessier: ping | Feb 28 01:20 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] How to write a web "contact us" form people will actually use. http://www.lukew.com/ff/entry.asp?1007 HT @denny | Feb 28 01:29 | |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Feb 28 01:35 |
| schestowitz | tessier: thanks so MUCH! | Feb 28 01:36 |
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| MinceR | it seems to miss the double password entry feature. | Feb 28 01:39 |
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| tessier_ | schestowitz: Not sure what the deal was there. I just restarted httpd and it was ok. That has happened a couple times before. Probably some mod_php weirdness. | Feb 28 01:41 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: the server load was high for a while before that | Feb 28 01:43 |
| tessier_ | Gotta run, bbl. | Feb 28 01:43 |
| schestowitz | Like 5-10 | Feb 28 01:43 |
| tessier_ | Yeah, I saw. | Feb 28 01:43 |
| schestowitz | Then it stopped responding and I couldn't tell if it was related | Feb 28 01:43 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Despite Failure (Rejection by Users and Developers), #Novell Carries on Spreading #Mono and Moonlight http://ur1.ca/ntsb | Feb 28 01:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: "Ubuntu One Music has No Watermarks" http://bit.ly/9lf943 | Feb 28 02:02 | |
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| schestowitz | gn | Feb 28 02:26 |
| bruce89 | woops, I didn't realise I was mentioned at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue198#New_Members_in_FLPv | Feb 28 02:30 |
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| DaemonFC | well, at least one good thing came of that arguing | Feb 28 02:37 |
| ianto | bruce89: Well done | Feb 28 02:38 |
| bruce89 | mind you, of now I've translated 2, or possibly 3 modules only | Feb 28 02:38 |
| ianto | Translating is a hobby of mine but only ever done when I'm not busy as heck | Feb 28 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | translating from what? | Feb 28 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | to what? | Feb 28 02:40 |
| ianto | Welsh & English | Feb 28 02:40 |
| ianto | English_US ---> Welsh | English_GB | Feb 28 02:40 |
| bruce89 | American to English (although not Scottish0 | Feb 28 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | hell, I could probably do that | Feb 28 02:41 |
| *ianto = co-ordinator of cy_GB & an admin of en_GB on launchpad | Feb 28 02:41 | |
| DaemonFC | lol | Feb 28 02:41 |
| bruce89 | bruce89 = GNOME and Fedora en_GB | Feb 28 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | mostly just a bunch of "u" contention | Feb 28 02:41 |
| bruce89 | I can tell you it's much more than that | Feb 28 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | bruce89, You figure someone put the extra u's in British English or took them all out of American English? | Feb 28 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 28 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | actually, I was reading about that on Wikipedia iirc | Feb 28 02:43 |
| bruce89 | I'm probably biassed, I'll go for the latter | Feb 28 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of spelling differences happened after we broke away | Feb 28 02:43 |
| bruce89 | or something spelt correctly | Feb 28 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | on the British side | Feb 28 02:43 |
| bruce89 | that's one difference right there | Feb 28 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | bruce89, http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4296/screenshotvvg.png | Feb 28 02:45 |
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| tessier__ | http://www.i18nguy.com/twain.html Mark Twain had the right idea on english spelling | Feb 28 02:46 |
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| ianto | The American use of "got" is insane which shouldnt be used in proper English | Feb 28 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, my aspell dictionary says you're wrong :) | Feb 28 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Feb 28 02:46 |
| tessier__ | ianto: Example? | Feb 28 02:46 |
| ianto | I have got a car... | Feb 28 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | "got it?" | Feb 28 02:46 |
| bruce89 | both are marked as correct here incidentally | Feb 28 02:46 |
| ianto | Erm two verbs to function as a possession? | Feb 28 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | no, you wouldn't say that | Feb 28 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | you'd probably use a contraction there too | Feb 28 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | I've got a car | Feb 28 02:47 |
| tessier__ | ianto: Maybe I hang out with better educated people. Most I know would say "I have a car" | Feb 28 02:47 |
| *bruce89 noticed that Ubuntu has decided that 12 hour time is more en_GB | Feb 28 02:47 | |
| DaemonFC | either one works | Feb 28 02:47 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: What's that? | Feb 28 02:47 |
| ianto | "He's got a car" | Feb 28 02:48 |
| sebsebseb | also 24 hour clock is better than am and pm I guess | Feb 28 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | bruce89, To be honest I'm just glad Ubuntu doesn't slap me with British English dictionaries for my spell checker anymore | Feb 28 02:48 |
| bruce89 | https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/nautilus/+pots/nautilus/en_GB/495/+translate | Feb 28 02:48 |
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| DaemonFC | jesus christ that shit was annoying, aaaaaaggggghhhhh!!!! | Feb 28 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | red line under every other thing you type | Feb 28 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | gets old | Feb 28 02:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: then you can imagine how we feel about american defaults , which are very common with MS, etc | Feb 28 02:49 |
| bruce89 | I could certainly understand that | Feb 28 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: That's a point | Feb 28 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | also I hate how it's known as Software Center | Feb 28 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | haha! *points* | Feb 28 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | not Software Centre | Feb 28 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | in Ubuntu | Feb 28 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | also in English Britihs well | Feb 28 02:49 |
| ianto | bruce89: Wanna join en_GB translations? | Feb 28 02:49 |
| bruce89 | "Reviewed by Tomasz Chabowski on 2010-02-14" | Feb 28 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | haha! *points* | Feb 28 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: ick | Feb 28 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | British well | Feb 28 02:49 |
| bruce89 | ianto: not really | Feb 28 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | they re name the menu entry for the program | Feb 28 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | ,but the program itself is stil Software Center | Feb 28 02:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: oversight, i guess | Feb 28 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, They're probably trying to make it not seem so alien to their big customers | Feb 28 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 28 02:50 |
| bruce89 | as far as I'm concerned, GNOME's the right level to translate at | Feb 28 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | the wikipedia page for it is a Software Center one as well not Centre | Feb 28 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Canonical are meant to be UK based | Feb 28 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: So why not do English British by default | Feb 28 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the translation is pretty much literally just swap one language pack out for another in GNOME | Feb 28 02:51 |
| bruce89 | I do look forward to getting bugs about bugs that aren't my problem though | Feb 28 02:51 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva are meant to be French, and they have the Centre spelling in French as well if I am correct | Feb 28 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | which probably makes maintenance nicer | Feb 28 02:51 |
| sebsebseb | why don't they do English British as well by default, it's European | Feb 28 02:51 |
| sebsebseb | American English is not | Feb 28 02:51 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: Statistically you're more likely to find an en_US native than an en_GB native... They're more numerous | Feb 28 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, Because there's probably more big money customers here | Feb 28 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | ianto: should that matter? | Feb 28 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | Why are they selling MP3s? | Feb 28 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: why pretend you're localising to en_GB if you are not. | Feb 28 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that's the point. | Feb 28 02:51 |
| ianto | FurnaceBoy: It's called targetting users | Feb 28 02:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | ianto: why pretend to be en_GB if it's not | Feb 28 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, They aren't | Feb 28 02:52 |
| ianto | They dont... | Feb 28 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | ianto: just drop the localisation entirely if you can't do it right | Feb 28 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | they're moving away from that | Feb 28 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | ianto: sebsebseb pointed out an error | Feb 28 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | they USED to do en_GB on most things | Feb 28 02:52 |
| bruce89 | if you want me to, I'll strip the en_GB.po files from GNOME | Feb 28 02:52 |
| ianto | FurnaceBoy: Just out of curiosity what the fuck are you on about? :S | Feb 28 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | ianto: ^^ | Feb 28 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | go load a 4.10 disc and see what I mean | Feb 28 02:52 |
| bruce89 | I don't think that'd go down well though | Feb 28 02:52 |
| ianto | Software Centre is named as Centre in the _GB version as I recall | Feb 28 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | ianto: I am referring to what sebsebseb pointed out. don't chime in if you're not following | Feb 28 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | ianto: sebsebseb says otherwise | Feb 28 02:52 |
| ianto | I'm currently using en_GB butu | Feb 28 02:53 |
| bruce89 | he's misinformed | Feb 28 02:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: you suck! | Feb 28 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: hrm? | Feb 28 02:53 |
| bruce89 | I mean, there's a GNOME package called control-center also | Feb 28 02:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: they say it's Centre | Feb 28 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | Americans want to take over everything basicalley | Feb 28 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | globalization yeah yeah | Feb 28 02:53 |
| ianto | He means the original source is Center not the localised version ^ | Feb 28 02:53 |
| ianto | Localised is Centre | Feb 28 02:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: i don't see why package names need be | Feb 28 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | one reason for American English as the default for loads of these things I guess | Feb 28 02:53 |
| *bruce89 coughs | Feb 28 02:53 | |
| DaemonFC | Why can't the installer just figure out your time zone and deal with the localization itself? | Feb 28 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | that's the question | Feb 28 02:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's not just a matter of grep'ing. what do you mean? | Feb 28 02:54 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: one slight flaw in your argument | Feb 28 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | there shouldn't be any need for some static en_GB crap | Feb 28 02:54 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: well it's not quite true what I put, but the western counteries tend to do a lot of similar stuff to the Americans fore xample | Feb 28 02:54 |
| bruce89 | globalisation is spelt with an 's' | Feb 28 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | it should see where you are and fix things up accordingly | Feb 28 02:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: of course it is | Feb 28 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Feb 28 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: that was a quick type in, I wasn't caring that much about the spelling | Feb 28 02:55 |
| bruce89 | just seems rather hypocritical | Feb 28 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | come on, we have all the ingredients for a flame war here. | Feb 28 02:55 |
| bruce89 | och no, we've had worse | Feb 28 02:55 |
| *FurnaceBoy puts on flameproof undies | Feb 28 02:55 | |
| DaemonFC | what's the problem with automated localization? | Feb 28 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: FurnaceBoy the package is software-center be that British Engilsh or American English, then they just re name the program on the menu in British English to Software Centre | Feb 28 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: yeah, last night, java, apparently | Feb 28 02:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: that seems acceptable, really | Feb 28 02:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: machine identifiers can't really be localised. | Feb 28 02:56 |
| bruce89 | DaemonFC: GNOME has used it, but I don't really trust it | Feb 28 02:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: user visible text can be | Feb 28 02:56 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: the wikipedia page link has center in it, there isn't a similar link with centre in that goes to the same info | Feb 28 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | simple, it asks your time zone, it sets everything else itself | Feb 28 02:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: don't sweat the small stuff. | Feb 28 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | the end | Feb 28 02:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: we can fix it after we fix the death, exploitation, poison everything stuff, mkay? | Feb 28 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | what's so unreasonable with that? | Feb 28 02:56 |
| bruce89 | nothing, seems sane | Feb 28 02:57 |
| bruce89 | although a lot of places are on our time zone | Feb 28 02:57 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: hang out in the big Ubuntu channel and it's Center this that and the other, but people like me will use Cener instead | Feb 28 02:57 |
| bruce89 | that use English that is | Feb 28 02:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: sure | Feb 28 02:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: just don't say 'fortnight' or the fbi will come after you. ;-) | Feb 28 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | two weeks | Feb 28 02:58 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: so you want to stop imperialism by being imperial and forcing everyone to speak British? | Feb 28 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you googled! | Feb 28 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | no | Feb 28 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't | Feb 28 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: congrats | Feb 28 02:58 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: Anyway your Canadian and you got French there as well, with their Centre spelling? plus I get the impression by stuff you say here, here and there, that your not that keen on Americans, so in that case really, you should be a fan of British English, not American English | Feb 28 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: Canada is generally British, but some yank spellings creep in. | Feb 28 02:58 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: en_CA exists too... | Feb 28 02:58 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: oh? | Feb 28 02:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: package identifiers are mechanical, you can't localise those practically | Feb 28 02:59 |
| bruce89 | of course, so does en_AU, en_NZ, en_IN | Feb 28 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | well British English is the only proper one :) | Feb 28 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | really | Feb 28 02:59 |
| bruce89 | not really | Feb 28 02:59 |
| bruce89 | but AFAIK en_AU is en_GB with "Labor" | Feb 28 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | unless Britiain didn't start the English language :D | Feb 28 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | damn frostbitten hoseheads | Feb 28 02:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: of course CA is a british colony, we have the queen on our coins, etc, and we spell british, but some people don't pay attention to which . and then there is the US defaults which are common for spell check hehe | Feb 28 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | *cough* | Feb 28 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | what was that? | Feb 28 03:00 |
| sebsebseb | England started the language right? the old English is gone long gone, it's British English now | Feb 28 03:00 |
| bruce89 | no | Feb 28 03:00 |
| bruce89 | there's no such thing as "starting" a language really | Feb 28 03:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | right | Feb 28 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, It basically forked itself after the 1700s | Feb 28 03:01 |
| bruce89 | English has all sorts of influences, including German and French | Feb 28 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | Canonical are located in Britian, but more of an American distro company really these days | Feb 28 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | both versions drifted apart | Feb 28 03:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: of course. geography has a lot to do with it. | Feb 28 03:01 |
| bruce89 | Nordic languages too | Feb 28 03:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quebecois French is also a wildly divergent fork from Parisian French. | Feb 28 03:01 |
| bruce89 | odd bit of Celtic | Feb 28 03:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | Brazilian Portuguese is a fork of Lusitano Portuguese. | Feb 28 03:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | etc | Feb 28 03:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | etc | Feb 28 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | well, brits don't seem that unintelligible to me | Feb 28 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | most of the time | Feb 28 03:02 |
| *DaemonFC ducks | Feb 28 03:02 | |
| bruce89 | just wait | Feb 28 03:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Nicoll#.22The_Purity_of_the_English_Language.22 | Feb 28 03:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: James Nicoll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 58.65 KB | Feb 28 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | there's no such thing as the purity of a language | Feb 28 03:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: read the link | Feb 28 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | they change as long as they're spoken | Feb 28 03:03 |
| bruce89 | which concerns me a bit | Feb 28 03:04 |
| sebsebseb | Anyway America this that and the other these days, in the western world anyway | Feb 28 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore." | Feb 28 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | amen | Feb 28 03:04 |
| bruce89 | because nowadays most language is typed, and it appears as if a lot of British people are using American English these days | Feb 28 03:04 |
| sebsebseb | these capitalist counteries do quite a lot of things similar or the same to the Americans | Feb 28 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, The United States is a big place | Feb 28 03:04 |
| sebsebseb | these capitlaist developed counterieries, with global companies | Feb 28 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | there's lots of regional dialects of American English | Feb 28 03:04 |
| bruce89 | and British of course | Feb 28 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's not just one big happy unified version of English | Feb 28 03:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | bruce89: good point | Feb 28 03:05 |
| bruce89 | although I'm not sure if you'd call 'weegie as English | Feb 28 03:05 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: Why did the UK goverment and so on, put money in the Icelandic banks? Since the Americans did? | Feb 28 03:05 |
| bruce89 | because of a high rate of interest | Feb 28 03:06 |
| bruce89 | also, it was only local government | Feb 28 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, central banks are a big black box | Feb 28 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | don't ask what they do or why | Feb 28 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | or how | Feb 28 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's all magic inside | Feb 28 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | and teddy bears | Feb 28 03:06 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: America influences other counteries, and it's not always a good thing, for example Microsoft :D | Feb 28 03:07 |
| sebsebseb | and Appl3 | Feb 28 03:07 |
| sebsebseb | Apple | Feb 28 03:07 |
| bruce89 | and CDOs | Feb 28 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | Am I Microsoft or Apple? | Feb 28 03:07 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: CDOs ? | Feb 28 03:07 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: no | Feb 28 03:07 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: your from USA though | Feb 28 03:07 |
| bruce89 | I'm sure I explained what CDOs are | Feb 28 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think I need to take criticism or defend myself for things I'm not responsible for, that would be silly | Feb 28 03:08 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: in a way maybe Canonical should move their main Head Quarters to the USA | Feb 28 03:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: it doesn't "influence". it steals from, and bombs flat, according to whim | Feb 28 03:08 |
| bruce89 | don't be silly, then they'd have to pay tax | Feb 28 03:08 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: the new, CEO is American, that Matt guy is, and they have American English as the default language | Feb 28 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb, They would except for why they don't | Feb 28 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | they like our money but they don't want to pay our taxes or abide by our laws | Feb 28 03:08 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: tax aye? | Feb 28 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | so they duck out in a safe haven | Feb 28 03:09 |
| bruce89 | the Isle of Man is a tax haven | Feb 28 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Feb 28 03:09 |
| bruce89 | for now | Feb 28 03:09 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: right except they got some sort of head quarters in London? | Feb 28 03:09 |
| sebsebseb | as well? | Feb 28 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | someone should shut the trap | Feb 28 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | start taxing Canonical | Feb 28 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | they're taking advantage of British tax revenue | Feb 28 03:10 |
| bruce89 | not that their incomes are huge | Feb 28 03:10 |
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| DaemonFC | their evasion is what you're payin' | Feb 28 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 28 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | bruce89, They could end up making some money soon | Feb 28 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | They have the Bing deal | Feb 28 03:10 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: Collateralised Debt Obligations | Feb 28 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | and the MP3 store | Feb 28 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | an selling cloud storage and all | Feb 28 03:11 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: I don't know what that is | Feb 28 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | support subscribtions probably make them something | Feb 28 03:11 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: yeah the commerlization that bruce89 isn't that keen on | Feb 28 03:11 |
| bruce89 | s | Feb 28 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | *subscriptions | Feb 28 03:11 |
| bruce89 | 's' is next to 'z' on the keyboard | Feb 28 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | no, leave it that way | Feb 28 03:12 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: it's not anti open source to make money, because of it, by the way | Feb 28 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | we have the beginnings of a new version of English | Feb 28 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | replace S's with Z's randomly | Feb 28 03:12 |
| bruce89 | "packages of debt paying interest rates that varied according to the risk" | Feb 28 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | see if it catches on | Feb 28 03:12 |
| bruce89 | don't be zilly | Feb 28 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 28 03:12 |
| ianto | sebsebseb: In en_GB, your locale, anything that sounds like "ize" is usually spelt ise ;) | Feb 28 03:13 |
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| zebzebzeb | DaemonFC: :D | Feb 28 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | the German sebsebseb | Feb 28 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Feb 28 03:13 |
| zebzebzeb | The Germen one? | Feb 28 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Feb 28 03:13 |
| bruce89 | ich lichten nichten? | Feb 28 03:13 |
| ianto | Acht | Feb 28 03:14 |
| zebzebzeb | mein deautch ist nicht gut | Feb 28 03:14 |
| bruce89 | der Fladermouse | Feb 28 03:14 |
| zebzebzeb | meine deutch ist nicht gut | Feb 28 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | mein leben! | Feb 28 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 28 03:14 |
| zebzebzeb | Microsoft ist doof | Feb 28 03:14 |
| zebzebzeb | dick is fat in Germen | Feb 28 03:15 |
| bruce89 | Google Translate ist für die Plonkers | Feb 28 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhm ok... | Feb 28 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 28 03:15 |
| *bruce89 doesn't know German | Feb 28 03:16 | |
| bruce89 | may have notized | Feb 28 03:16 |
| zebzebzeb | bruce89: well if you were just using Google Translate you just called yourself a plonker, congruatlations! :D | Feb 28 03:16 |
| bruce89 | no, that was juzt bad luck | Feb 28 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | Das Machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und poppencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Das rubbernecken sightseeren musten keepen das cotten-pickenen hands in das pockets - relaxen und watchen das blinkenlights. | Feb 28 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 28 03:17 |
| zebzebzeb | DaemonFC: NO idea what you just put | Feb 28 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | read it :) | Feb 28 03:18 |
| zebzebzeb | I did, but doesn't make much sense | Feb 28 03:18 |
| zebzebzeb | since my Germen is not that good | Feb 28 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | fake German | Feb 28 03:18 |
| zebzebzeb | ianto knows nearly everything! | Feb 28 03:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | hah | Feb 28 03:18 |
| zebzebzeb | Diablo-D3: @ what? | Feb 28 03:18 |
| bruce89 | das ist un undërstatëmenẗ | Feb 28 03:19 |
| zebzebzeb | maybe we should have an inteligence contest for this channel, that I woudn't take part of, is ianto really the most clever one :D | Feb 28 03:19 |
| ianto | zebzebzeb: How do you intend to measure intelligence? | Feb 28 03:20 |
| zebzebzeb | ianto: I don't know | Feb 28 03:20 |
| zebzebzeb | ianto: you could probably think of something though | Feb 28 03:20 |
| bruce89 | ianto: what'z the average airzpeed velocity of an unladen zwallow? | Feb 28 03:20 |
| ianto | bruce89: Vot is zee veight of zee zwallow? | Feb 28 03:21 |
| bruce89 | du pecks (if zat's a veight measurëment) | Feb 28 03:21 |
| bruce89 | or is that related to the büshel? | Feb 28 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | Qui-Gon Jinn put it best when he said the ability to speak does not necessarily denote intelligence :) | Feb 28 03:22 |
| zebzebzeb | no one really knows everything of course, except for God maybe, if God exists | Feb 28 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | who can argue with a Jedi? | Feb 28 03:22 |
| bruce89 | damn, a bushel is 4 pecks | Feb 28 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | well how must pecking do I have to do to this bushel? | Feb 28 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | dammit | Feb 28 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 28 03:23 |
| bruce89 | 50 grains then | Feb 28 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | the latest xorg-edgers offerings are good | Feb 28 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | Sauerbraten is even starting to want to work | Feb 28 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 28 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they'll have it all sorted out in time for my birthday :D | Feb 28 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=pcbsd_8&num=1 | Feb 28 03:39 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Apple audit finds child workers at chinese factories, rather pissed http://ur1.ca/nteh | Feb 28 03:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Apple admits using subtle and precise child labour http://newstechnica.com/?p=1761 | Feb 28 03:59 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Apple admits using subtle and precise child labour | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 37.12 KB | Feb 28 03:59 |
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| DaemonFC | I approve | Feb 28 04:00 |
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| zebzebzeb | DaemonFC: Linux Today had the thing for this 24th Feb article http://ostatic.com/blog/pc-bsd-8-0-goes-gold on the 25th Feb on Linux Today ( http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010022501835NWBDRL No Comments! ) | Feb 28 04:16 |
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| DaemonFC | oh shit | Feb 28 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | kernel problem | Feb 28 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | null pointer dereference | Feb 28 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | sweet | Feb 28 04:19 |
| zebzebzeb | DaemonFC: null pointer dereference?????? | Feb 28 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Feb 28 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | could be a security bug | Feb 28 04:20 |
| zebzebzeb | I don't know what that is | Feb 28 04:20 |
| zebzebzeb | DaemonFC: What is it? | Feb 28 04:20 |
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| zebzebzeb | http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010022600135NWBZMS | Feb 28 04:23 |
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| Ender2070 | <DaemonFC> bruce89, You figure someone put the extra u's in British English or took them all out of American English? | Feb 28 04:24 |
| zebzebzeb | DaemonFC: http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010022600135NWBZMS | Feb 28 04:24 |
| Ender2070 | it's England's language, i'm sure America made the changes | Feb 28 04:24 |
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| DaemonFC` | well, that was not cool | Feb 28 04:24 |
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| zebzebzeb | Ender2070: to late, bruce89 has already left | Feb 28 04:24 |
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| zebzebzeb | Ender2070: or that was only really a reply to DaemonFC ? | Feb 28 04:25 |
| Ender2070 | zebzebzeb for daemon | Feb 28 04:26 |
| zebzebzeb | Ender2070: ok | Feb 28 04:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Two more Python Snippets added (Lists 101 and gtksourceview2) - we need more! See http://is.gd/9mhCT for details! #python #gnome | Feb 28 04:26 | |
| Ender2070 | interesting that google is under anti trust scrutiny | Feb 28 04:26 |
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| Ender2070 | nobody is forcing me to use google | Feb 28 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, Yah, Microsoft says Google is a monopoly! | Feb 28 04:26 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Feb 28 04:26 |
| Ender2070 | ms forces me to use bing by default | Feb 28 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 28 04:26 |
| Ender2070 | if I used their products | Feb 28 04:26 |
| zebzebzeb | Ender2070: yep and Ubuntu starting with 10.04 | Feb 28 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | they don't force you | Feb 28 04:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Sweet, since yesterday Acire is already translated into 12 languages! http://is.gd/9mhSD I love Launchpad! :-) #acire #launchpad | Feb 28 04:27 | |
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| DaemonFC | it's jsut two clicks away from working right again | Feb 28 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | eh jono? | Feb 28 04:27 |
| Ender2070 | force to me means default | Feb 28 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 28 04:27 |
| zebzebzeb | DaemonFC: well not force to use by default, but it is the default | Feb 28 04:27 |
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| DaemonFC | force the user to go out of his/her way to make things right again where no intervention should ever be needed | Feb 28 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu Bong Search is one of those things, yes | Feb 28 04:28 |
| zebzebzeb | DaemonFC: anyway Microsoft have the desktop, because of ignorance | Feb 28 04:28 |
| Ender2070 | force also means changing my default | Feb 28 04:28 |
| zebzebzeb | and Google has the search market, because of ignorance? | Feb 28 04:28 |
| Ender2070 | sure its easy to change it back | Feb 28 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Ubuntu lied when they said they don't change your Google search on upgrade | Feb 28 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | they do | Feb 28 04:28 |
| Ender2070 | if it's making me do something I wouldn't normally do I consider it forced | Feb 28 04:28 |
| jono | DaemonFC, lol, you know my no responding to trolls rule :) | Feb 28 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not a troll | Feb 28 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'm constructively telling it like it is | Feb 28 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 28 04:29 |
| zebzebzeb | Ender2070: Gnome forced the removale of the icons in system menu, and some of places. at the moment it can be turend back on in interfaces, unless later Gnome is being run, then it's a gconf editor jobby to get them bacfk | Feb 28 04:30 |
| Ender2070 | jono, im not a troll, why does yahoo become default if I already setup Google? | Feb 28 04:30 |
| jono | Ender2070, we often don't respect defaults when upgrading, that happens here | Feb 28 04:31 |
| jono | just set it back :) | Feb 28 04:31 |
| jono | DaemonFC, lol, right :) | Feb 28 04:31 |
| Ender2070 | i might accidently earn microsoft some revenue from a search though | Feb 28 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | jono, "I have no idea why this happened, I couldn't repeat it if I wanted to, and I think the debugger itself finally killed the system. Merry Christmas!" | Feb 28 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | how's that for a bug report? | Feb 28 04:31 |
| Ender2070 | <zebzebzeb> - im aware of the many reasons not to use gnome, I stick with KDE | Feb 28 04:32 |
| zebzebzeb | Ender2070: I like Gnome | Feb 28 04:32 |
| zebzebzeb | more than KDE | Feb 28 04:32 |
| Ender2070 | zebzebzeb - I went from KDE 3.x to Gnome 2.x back to KDE 4.x | Feb 28 04:32 |
| zebzebzeb | oh yeah I am still called this | Feb 28 04:32 |
| Ender2070 | KDE 1.x and 2.x before that | Feb 28 04:33 |
| zebzebzeb | I was thinking untill my computer goes off in a bit | Feb 28 04:33 |
| zebzebzeb | or I might change back to sebsebseb now | Feb 28 04:33 |
| Ender2070 | Gnome 1.x to me seemed like a bad windows ripoff | Feb 28 04:33 |
| zebzebzeb | I like Gnome with apps in it such as Konversation | Feb 28 04:33 |
| zebzebzeb | yep KDE app | Feb 28 04:33 |
| Ender2070 | sawfish resembled windows explorer so much it made me puke | Feb 28 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | jono, YOur bug reporting system needs to be a little less......unreasonable? | Feb 28 04:34 |
| zebzebzeb | Ender2070: Gnome 1 was before I used Desktop Linux I started using in 2004 | Feb 28 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | Will you agree to use a mainline kernel to verify this bug? | Feb 28 04:34 |
| Ender2070 | zebzebzeb - ahhh, I've been using desktop linux for a long time | Feb 28 04:34 |
| zebzebzeb | Ender2070: I have read it was more customizable and such than Gnome 2 | Feb 28 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | I mean come on | Feb 28 04:34 |
| zebzebzeb | Ender2070: I mean proper config files or whatever | Feb 28 04:34 |
| zebzebzeb | and then Gnome 2 didn't have that kind of stuff | Feb 28 04:35 |
| Ender2070 | zebzebzeb - dualboot since redhat 5.2, and solo boot around a decade ago | Feb 28 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | if I was going to drag my ass over to get a mainline kernel, I would just build a prober one myself :) | Feb 28 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | *proper | Feb 28 04:35 |
| zebzebzeb | Ender2070: Fedora Core 2 was my first Linux distro, the one I just installed, and then coudn't use on net, since this stupid wireless device, since my Dad woudn't hardwire the computer I was using at the time | Feb 28 04:35 |
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| oiaohm | My first using Linux is 1994-1995. I have been using it a little too long. | Feb 28 04:35 |
| Ender2070 | after redhat 5.2 I tried suse 5.3 | Feb 28 04:36 |
| Ender2070 | huge difference | Feb 28 04:36 |
| Ender2070 | redhat 5.2 = 1 CD | Feb 28 04:36 |
| zebzebzeb | four CD's | Feb 28 04:36 |
| Ender2070 | suse 5.3, 4 cd's | Feb 28 04:36 |
| zebzebzeb | if I remember correclty maybe five even for FC2 | Feb 28 04:36 |
| zebzebzeb | four hours or so install on that old computer 128MB RAM | Feb 28 04:36 |
| Ender2070 | oh wait, 8 cds | Feb 28 04:36 |
| Ender2070 | or something that extreme | Feb 28 04:36 |
| zebzebzeb | if Grub messed up it meant re install, since I was newbie, and yes it did, I skipped Fedora Core 3 | Feb 28 04:36 |
| Ender2070 | the other half were source code | Feb 28 04:36 |
| zebzebzeb | FC4 I put on. didn't last that long untill Grub or whatever messed up | Feb 28 04:36 |
| zebzebzeb | however then someone I went to school with told me about Ubuntu online | Feb 28 04:37 |
| Ender2070 | i didnt like fedora until recently | Feb 28 04:37 |
| oiaohm | FC4 I found quite stable. | Feb 28 04:37 |
| oiaohm | FC5 drove me nuts. | Feb 28 04:37 |
| zebzebzeb | oh yeah when I started it was a choice between Fedora or Debian for me, I think I had read online that Debian was more complex and maybe even that it was more for servers | Feb 28 04:37 |
| zebzebzeb | Fedora won me over though, since everything being free in it | Feb 28 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | older Fedora releases were not so friendly | Feb 28 04:37 |
| zebzebzeb | Knoppix, Gnoppix, Morphix and what not Live CD trying later on, and then virtual machines yep | Feb 28 04:38 |
| Ender2070 | I went from Redhat to Suse, to Mandriva, to OpenCaldera, to Corel Linux, to Slackware, etc | Feb 28 04:38 |
| zebzebzeb | Ubuntu since second release in 2005 | Feb 28 04:38 |
| Ender2070 | eventually ended up on Gentoo in 2004 | Feb 28 04:38 |
| zebzebzeb | and then I started becoming unhappy with it starting with 9.04 | Feb 28 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | zebzebzeb, Ubuntu's releases didn't start really getting buggy until after 7.04 | Feb 28 04:38 |
| Ender2070 | used that till ubuntu, used ubuntu for years | Feb 28 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | before that it was pretty good | Feb 28 04:39 |
| zebzebzeb | 9.04 was alright, except for the top right editing | Feb 28 04:39 |
| zebzebzeb | that resulted in shut down and log out being removed from system menu | Feb 28 04:39 |
| zebzebzeb | 9.10 the top right editing is ok | Feb 28 04:39 |
| Ender2070 | 9.04 was the last ubuntu I used for an extended period of time | Feb 28 04:39 |
| Ender2070 | then fedora 11 | Feb 28 04:39 |
| zebzebzeb | lucid development it's like uh, since now it's social features as well | Feb 28 04:39 |
| zebzebzeb | Fedora 11 woudn't install on here, didn't like my partition set up | Feb 28 04:40 |
| zebzebzeb | just Ubuntu partitions and Vista, I wanted to replace 9.04's / with Fedora 11 | Feb 28 04:40 |
| zebzebzeb | got an error, said it was probably a bug and to report | Feb 28 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | jono, I'm going to go all Borland Microsoft Apple Macrovision on you and call it the Administrative IndicatorShield TurboCrapplet Tool | Feb 28 04:40 |
| zebzebzeb | DamonFC he has left | Feb 28 04:40 |
| zebzebzeb | DaemonFC | Feb 28 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | ahhh | Feb 28 04:40 |
| Ender2070 | weird | Feb 28 04:41 |
| Ender2070 | whenever I install fedora its the only OS | Feb 28 04:41 |
| zebzebzeb | a few little issues with this latest Mandriva, but nothing major, quite a nice distro | Feb 28 04:41 |
| zebzebzeb | better than Ubuntu 9.10 | Feb 28 04:41 |
| zebzebzeb | or at least for this computer and me | Feb 28 04:41 |
| Ender2070 | mandriva is ok | Feb 28 04:41 |
| Ender2070 | but they are slow | Feb 28 04:41 |
| zebzebzeb | they are slow? | Feb 28 04:42 |
| oiaohm | Hmm looking like fanotify might make it into the next Linux kernel. Wonder if that will speed up pushing of linuxs when oem's can take anti-virus maker kick backs on linux. | Feb 28 04:42 |
| zebzebzeb | I could actsaully stand using KDE 4.3 | Feb 28 04:42 |
| zebzebzeb | before KDE 4 was really uh | Feb 28 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, The problem is that since the drivers for my GPU are bing constucted as we speak, I like to have a repo that gives me git versions daily | Feb 28 04:42 |
| zebzebzeb | however I mainly been using Mandriva with Gnome | Feb 28 04:42 |
| zebzebzeb | altough I have used quite a lot with KDE 4 as well | Feb 28 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Feb 28 04:43 |
| zebzebzeb | Ender2070: They are slow? | Feb 28 04:43 |
| Ender2070 | zebzebzeb - yeah they still have kde 4.3.x | Feb 28 04:43 |
| Ender2070 | not even the latest 4.3 series | Feb 28 04:43 |
| Ender2070 | fedora 12 has a kde 4.4 update, lol no waiting :) | Feb 28 04:43 |
| zebzebzeb | Ender2070: well most of these distros don't have 4.4 yet | Feb 28 04:43 |
| zebzebzeb | right, but that's Fedora | Feb 28 04:44 |
| Ender2070 | fedora has it :) | Feb 28 04:44 |
| zebzebzeb | which is more cutting edge | Feb 28 04:44 |
| Ender2070 | yes thats why I think they are the best | Feb 28 04:44 |
| Ender2070 | the only ones more bleeding edge are probably arch | Feb 28 04:44 |
| zebzebzeb | what about Genoto and Slackware? | Feb 28 04:44 |
| zebzebzeb | Ender2070: as for Mandriva well their are 3rd party repos that have later stuff | Feb 28 04:45 |
| zebzebzeb | MIB | Feb 28 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | Slackware is still one guy? | Feb 28 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | I know GNOME is unsupported on Slackware | Feb 28 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | you have to use Dropline GNOME, which is outside of the distribution | Feb 28 05:09 |
| zebzebzeb | why? | Feb 28 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | guy running Slackware doesn't like GNOME | Feb 28 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't feel like providing GNOME | Feb 28 05:10 |
| zebzebzeb | why? | Feb 28 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | personal opinion | Feb 28 05:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | doesn't feel like providing GNOME | Feb 28 05:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | why? | Feb 28 05:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | personal opinion | Feb 28 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Feb 28 05:11 |
| zebzebzeb | hrm @ bot | Feb 28 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, there's quite a few KDE only Linux distros and BSDs out there that make up some excuse why you shouldn't install GNOME on their distro | Feb 28 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | which I've always taken to mean, use a distro that has GNOME | Feb 28 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | there's only one GNOME only distro that I know of | Feb 28 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | that's Foresight | Feb 28 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | well, they have XFCE now but yeah | Feb 28 05:13 |
| zebzebzeb | KDE :( except for some apps e.g. Konversation & K3B | Feb 28 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | XFCE = GNOME Jr. | Feb 28 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME without a good way to edit the menus or use your SAMBA shares | Feb 28 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 28 05:14 |
| zebzebzeb | XFCE you mean? | Feb 28 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, unimpressive | Feb 28 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | and can use mroe RAM than GNOME | Feb 28 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | that's the damndest part | Feb 28 05:15 |
| zebzebzeb | XFCE = Cut down version of GNOME | Feb 28 05:15 |
| zebzebzeb | well Xubuntu is apparantly more lite waight than Ubuntu | Feb 28 05:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | .... | Feb 28 05:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude, wtf | Feb 28 05:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | xfce has nothing to do with gnome | Feb 28 05:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only thing xfce and gnome share is the use of gtk | Feb 28 05:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | and if gtk keeps getting worse, that too may change | Feb 28 05:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | xfce is designed to be a full desktop environment while being without bloat. | Feb 28 05:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnome is designed, from the ground up, to be an absolute mess. | Feb 28 05:18 |
| zebzebzeb | who did you say XFCE has nothing to do with GNOME to? | Feb 28 05:18 |
| zebzebzeb | anyway yeah they both use GTK, and both look similar, with XFCE doing less stuff than GNOME | Feb 28 05:19 |
| zebzebzeb | oiaohm: What's fanotify? | Feb 28 05:21 |
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| zebzebzeb | well I will a litlte bit, but I am about to go to bed | Feb 28 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | zebzebzeb, XFCE is so minimal that it ends up borrowing a lot of stuff just to work well | Feb 28 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | if not or the GNOME project, XFCE would cease to exist | Feb 28 05:23 |
| zebzebzeb | there's LXDE now as well | Feb 28 05:24 |
| zebzebzeb | shame a lot of these things won't replace Gnome or KDE for most of us | Feb 28 05:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | what? | Feb 28 05:26 |
| zebzebzeb | Diablo-D3: @ who? | Feb 28 05:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have DaemonFC on ignore | Feb 28 05:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | [12:08:30] <zebzebzeb> XFCE = Cut down version of GNOME | Feb 28 05:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is a lie | Feb 28 05:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | xfce is not a version of gnome. | Feb 28 05:26 |
| zebzebzeb | Diablo-D3: you have him on ignore that explains stuff | Feb 28 05:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnome is also a rather dead project | Feb 28 05:26 |
| zebzebzeb | Diablo-D3: yes I know it's not, but I been replying to him etc | Feb 28 05:27 |
| zebzebzeb | if you have him on ignore well you don't see that | Feb 28 05:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | zebzebzeb: hes a troll, almost everyone in here ignores him | Feb 28 05:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | I suggest you do it too | Feb 28 05:27 |
| zebzebzeb | Diablo-D3: Jono called him a troll earlier, he sometimes says some stuff which is a bit hrm, but other then that, he seems ok to me | Feb 28 05:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes a troll, trust me. | Feb 28 05:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | he says shit just to piss people off | Feb 28 05:28 |
| zebzebzeb | Diablo-D3: Gnome is not a dead project | Feb 28 05:30 |
| zebzebzeb | Diablo-D3: if it is, explain Gnome 3 in September? | Feb 28 05:30 |
| zebzebzeb | why is there going to be a Gnome 3 | Feb 28 05:30 |
| zebzebzeb | why is a Gnome 3 in development? | Feb 28 05:30 |
| zebzebzeb | if Gnome is a rather dead project? | Feb 28 05:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | if gnome 3 ships with mono core dependencies, its rather fucked. | Feb 28 05:31 |
| zebzebzeb | Diablo-D3: it will use Mono here and there I guess | Feb 28 05:32 |
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| Diablo-D3 | the time for unmodular buggy bloated software is over | Feb 28 05:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | either evolve or die, and gnome has chosen to die. | Feb 28 05:33 |
| zebzebzeb | Diablo-D3: KDE is much more bloated than Gnome | Feb 28 05:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | surprisingly, kde has peaked and survived | Feb 28 05:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | its trying to reverse the trend | Feb 28 05:34 |
| zebzebzeb | I am going bye | Feb 28 05:34 |
| Ender2070 | gnome 3 is just gnome 2 + cruft | Feb 28 05:36 |
| Ender2070 | <zebzebzeb> what about Genoto and Slackware? | Feb 28 05:36 |
| Ender2070 | slackware still ships an old gcc | Feb 28 05:36 |
| Ender2070 | gentoo is too annoying to maintain, though I did use it before | Feb 28 05:37 |
| Ender2070 | <DaemonFC> guy running Slackware doesn't like GNOME | Feb 28 05:37 |
| Ender2070 | pat said gnome is too annoying to build and didn't have time to keep up with it and its dependancies | Feb 28 05:37 |
| Ender2070 | [00:11] <Diablo-D3> gnome is designed, from the ground up, to be an absolute mess. | Feb 28 05:39 |
| Ender2070 | +1 | Feb 28 05:39 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "what is love? Love is when someone breaks ur heart and the most amazing thing is that u still love them wid every broken piece" - #quote | Feb 28 05:52 | |
| Ender2070 | http://spot.fedorapeople.org/chromium/F12/ <---new chromium packages for F12 | Feb 28 05:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Fedora People .::. Size~: 3.8 KB | Feb 28 05:54 |
| tessier__ | How reliable is chromium these days? | Feb 28 05:59 |
| tessier__ | I've been a dedicated netscape/mozilla/firefox user for so many years it is hard to imagine trying something else. Especially something else potentially less Free. | Feb 28 06:00 |
| tessier__ | But I do like its process-per-tab model and the additional security capabilities that go with that. | Feb 28 06:01 |
| Ender2070 | I don't see how chromium could be less free | Feb 28 06:01 |
| Ender2070 | you have access to the entire source code tree | Feb 28 06:01 |
| tessier__ | Is it GPL? | Feb 28 06:01 |
| tessier__ | I don't know. That's why I ask. | Feb 28 06:01 |
| Ender2070 | i've been dedicated since netscape/mozilla/firefox too | Feb 28 06:02 |
| tessier__ | Mere access to the entire source tree is obviously not sufficient. | Feb 28 06:02 |
| tessier__ | Although Microsoft loves to cloud the issue by suggesting that it is. | Feb 28 06:02 |
| Ender2070 | im not sure its gpl, but I do know its under a free license | Feb 28 06:03 |
| tessier__ | The Chromium software and sample code developed by Google is licensed under the BSD license. | Feb 28 06:04 |
| tessier__ | Ok, that's Free. | Feb 28 06:04 |
| Ender2070 | as far as I know BSD | Feb 28 06:04 |
| Ender2070 | oh you found it too | Feb 28 06:04 |
| Ender2070 | I used netscape since windows 3.1 though | Feb 28 06:04 |
| Ender2070 | it wasnt even close to free then | Feb 28 06:04 |
| Ender2070 | not even in the price sense | Feb 28 06:05 |
| tessier__ | Yeah, same here. Although there wasn't much choice. | Feb 28 06:05 |
| tessier__ | I used Netscape on Linux where it was free in price also. | Feb 28 06:05 |
| Ender2070 | same | Feb 28 06:05 |
| tessier__ | I had already dumped Windows for Linux by the time the web came around. | Feb 28 06:05 |
| Ender2070 | I also used Opera, it ran well on my 386 | Feb 28 06:05 |
| tessier__ | Opera was around back then? How long ago was that? | Feb 28 06:05 |
| Ender2070 | opera 2.x | Feb 28 06:06 |
| Ender2070 | windows 3.11 | Feb 28 06:06 |
| Ender2070 | 95 perhaps? | Feb 28 06:06 |
| Ender2070 | i didnt even know about free software or gnu/linux till 1999 unfortunately | Feb 28 06:06 |
| Ender2070 | i saw redhat in a local computer newspaper, toronto computes | Feb 28 06:07 |
| Ender2070 | i was excited because I was trying to find an alternative to windows and was investigating the dead os/2 around that time | Feb 28 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | Opera has been around since 1994 | Feb 28 06:08 |
| Ender2070 | now I won't touch a browser if i can't get the source code | Feb 28 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | good year | Feb 28 06:08 |
| Ender2070 | tessier__ - however, I started liking chromium because it feels a lot faster, plus I don't think they'll be switching to Bing, ever :) | Feb 28 06:14 |
| Ender2070 | anyone know if firefox is adding bookmark sync? | Feb 28 06:15 |
| tessier__ | Ender2070: I sue xmarks for bookmark sync | Feb 28 06:15 |
| tessier__ | use | Feb 28 06:16 |
| Ender2070 | I used to use xmarks | Feb 28 06:16 |
| Ender2070 | i'd like it to be officially added though | Feb 28 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | Opera has bookmark synch | Feb 28 06:16 |
| Ender2070 | hosted by mozilla | Feb 28 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | has for a while now | Feb 28 06:17 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - you know i dont care about opera right | Feb 28 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | meh, it still gets things before Firefox usually | Feb 28 06:17 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - tell me about opera when they release the source code | Feb 28 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | I think stretched JPEG as a skin is a Firefox first though | Feb 28 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | no wait, I has had that before | Feb 28 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 28 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | IE | Feb 28 06:17 |
| Ender2070 | too bad opera has a bad renderer | Feb 28 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | FUD | Feb 28 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | Try out 10.5 test builds | Feb 28 06:19 |
| Ender2070 | how is it fud | Feb 28 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | it blows past Firefox | Feb 28 06:19 |
| Ender2070 | theres no fear, uncertainty or doubt in what i said | Feb 28 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | the new script engine just toalyl, it even blows Chrome away | Feb 28 06:19 |
| *tessier__ will not try opera because he is afraid it has a bad render | Feb 28 06:19 | |
| tessier__ | er | Feb 28 06:19 |
| *tessier__ fears | Feb 28 06:19 | |
| Ender2070 | lol! | Feb 28 06:19 |
| tessier__ | I'm about uncertain about the quality of Opera's renderer. | Feb 28 06:19 |
| tessier__ | I doubt it is any good. | Feb 28 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | tessier, It's not oging to gouge out your eye sockets and sku......you know what, watch Full Metal Jacket | Feb 28 06:20 |
| tessier__ | Thanks for clueing me in, Ender2070 | Feb 28 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's a browser, you like it or you don't | Feb 28 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's uninstallable | Feb 28 06:20 |
| Ender2070 | does it pass acid3? | Feb 28 06:20 |
| Ender2070 | im curious | Feb 28 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | has for ages | Feb 28 06:20 |
| Ender2070 | I just got 100/100 on chromium | Feb 28 06:21 |
| Ender2070 | firefox got 93 or something | Feb 28 06:21 |
| Ender2070 | 92 | Feb 28 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | Opera has for over a year now | Feb 28 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | in release versions | Feb 28 06:21 |
| Ender2070 | not that its hard | Feb 28 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | if you count test builds, they passed it in March of 2008 | Feb 28 06:21 |
| Ender2070 | im surprised with firefox | Feb 28 06:21 |
| Ender2070 | we'll see about acid4 | Feb 28 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | Opera has a pretty good track record | Feb 28 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | especially with CSS support | Feb 28 06:22 |
| Ender2070 | yeah but they whine and bitch too much | Feb 28 06:22 |
| Ender2070 | i used to be an opera supporter | Feb 28 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | like causing the EU to fine Microsoft? | Feb 28 06:22 |
| Ender2070 | not anymore | Feb 28 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | that's good bitching | Feb 28 06:22 |
| tessier__ | That Hokem Li guy always seems like such a poser. | Feb 28 06:22 |
| Ender2070 | its good and bad, the EU fining MS | Feb 28 06:22 |
| Eruaran | BN is down? | Feb 28 06:22 |
| Ender2070 | opera wanted the browser ballot to be on linux distros too | Feb 28 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | the one that swam the atlantic or something (I know it wasn't that, just some PR stunt) | Feb 28 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | swam a long ways | Feb 28 06:23 |
| tessier__ | Eruaran: Perhaps. Let me take a look... | Feb 28 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.opera.com/press/swim/ | Feb 28 06:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Opera: The 1 Million Download Challenge .::. Size~: 17.13 KB | Feb 28 06:24 |
| Ender2070 | dont get me wrong though | Feb 28 06:24 |
| Ender2070 | opera doesnt totally suck | Feb 28 06:24 |
| Ender2070 | their mobile browser is the best proprietary one you can get | Feb 28 06:24 |
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| Ender2070 | fennec is going to pummel it | Feb 28 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | Opera on the ii is nice | Feb 28 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | *Wii | Feb 28 06:25 |
| Ender2070 | on the wii? yes | Feb 28 06:25 |
| Ender2070 | im glad i waited | Feb 28 06:25 |
| Ender2070 | i had the trial, never used for 3 years | Feb 28 06:26 |
| Ender2070 | now i find out its free | Feb 28 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, was $5 initially | Feb 28 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | an that version couldn't play porn | Feb 28 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | I mean Flash | Feb 28 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 28 06:27 |
| Ender2070 | plays flash? | Feb 28 06:28 |
| Ender2070 | interesting | Feb 28 06:28 |
| Ender2070 | not that I support porn | Feb 28 06:28 |
| tessier__ | Eruaran: Seems ok to me now but it was really slow a moment ago. We have had a couple weird issues today. | Feb 28 06:28 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - this might slap some sense into you - http://www.henrymakow.com/the_porn_industry.html | Feb 28 06:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: savethemales.ca - Porn -- Watching Bruised, Drugged Prostitutes .::. Size~: 28.79 KB | Feb 28 06:29 |
| Eruaran | tessier__: oh yes, its working for me now as well | Feb 28 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, Well, it supports Youtube too, but there's no porn on there | Feb 28 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | so why would anyone use that? | Feb 28 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 28 06:29 |
| *tessier__ sings o/~ The Internet is for porn o/~ | Feb 28 06:30 | |
| DaemonFC | grab your *** and double-click for porn porn porn!!! | Feb 28 06:31 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Feb 28 06:31 |
| Ender2070 | porn got your average joe on the net | Feb 28 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | got him off too, right? | Feb 28 06:33 |
| DaemonFC | there's a topic | Feb 28 06:33 |
| DaemonFC | what will <video> do for the porn industry? | Feb 28 06:33 |
| DaemonFC | will we have Ogg porn now? | Feb 28 06:34 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Feb 28 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, This theme makes windows in GNOME look all KDE-ish | Feb 28 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | it's kind of weird | Feb 28 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmmm | Feb 28 06:40 |
| DaemonFC | http://menzonius.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/vorbis.pdf | Feb 28 06:40 |
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| shreddar | Hey, I just heard about MeeGo. | Feb 28 06:42 |
| shreddar | It looks like Nokia's way of dicontinuing Meamo. | Feb 28 06:43 |
| shreddar | It doesn't seem to have anything to do with Maemo. At least as it exists now. | Feb 28 06:44 |
| shreddar | It has way more to do with Moblin. Since it uses it's core. | Feb 28 06:44 |
| Ender2070 | Qt will have a strong presense iirc | Feb 28 06:45 |
| shreddar | Yeah but Qt really doesn't have anything to do with Maemo. | Feb 28 06:46 |
| shreddar | It's mostly GTK+ based. | Feb 28 06:46 |
| shreddar | Maybe they were going to replace GTK+ in Maemo 6 but not any of the existing versions so far. | Feb 28 06:50 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.lamebook.com/ | Feb 28 06:55 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Lamebook Funny Facebook Statuses, Fails, LOLs and More The Original .::. Size~: 29.07 KB | Feb 28 06:55 |
| shreddar | Nevermind Maemo 5 did have Qt libraries. And that ovi store used qt i think. | Feb 28 06:59 |
| Ender2070 | nokia owns qt | Feb 28 06:59 |
| Ender2070 | i understood that nokia was shifting maemo over to Qt | Feb 28 06:59 |
| shreddar | Yeah but they are doing that with MeeGo instead I think. | Feb 28 07:01 |
| Ender2070 | well yes | Feb 28 07:01 |
| Ender2070 | maemo will be replaced | Feb 28 07:01 |
| Ender2070 | thats about as much as i've heard or read about myself though | Feb 28 07:03 |
| Ender2070 | i haven't followed moblin or maemo | Feb 28 07:04 |
| shreddar | It's interesting though. | Feb 28 07:05 |
| Ender2070 | i own a badass laptop | Feb 28 07:06 |
| Ender2070 | no need for these little mobile devices | Feb 28 07:06 |
| Ender2070 | at least for my own personal interest | Feb 28 07:06 |
| shreddar | I'd like to see their qt version of MicroB (Gecko based). | Feb 28 07:07 |
| shreddar | I'm also wondering if nokia will still try to make their Symbian OS popular. | Feb 28 07:09 |
| shreddar | I think their Qt API might be apart of that. | Feb 28 07:10 |
| shreddar | I think it's also a well aimed attempt at making a competitor to Android. | Feb 28 07:11 |
| Ender2070 | yeah we'll see | Feb 28 07:12 |
| shreddar | Both Maemo and Moblin had trouble steeling the spotlight on their own so they merged to have a fighting chance. | Feb 28 07:13 |
| shreddar | I think Opera and Mozilla should try to make their own platforms. So far they seem happy just piggy backing off of existing ones. In the long run though they might become irrelovent. | Feb 28 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Feb 28 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | I just shoved the PPA that had the patched libvorbis for Karmic into my sources and "downgraded" and locked versions on all libvorbis packages | Feb 28 07:21 |
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| shreddar | Webkit has already done a fine job at making them irrelevant but Fennec might be able stall the trend for awhile. | Feb 28 07:33 |
| shreddar | Basically most devices come with their own browser now. | Feb 28 07:36 |
| shreddar | They no longer need Opera Mini or even Fennec. | Feb 28 07:37 |
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| shreddar | MeeGo might use Fennec as opposed to MicroB for marketing reasons. | Feb 28 07:41 |
| shreddar | That's just me reaching though. | Feb 28 07:41 |
| shreddar | I know Mozilla would love such a deal. | Feb 28 07:41 |
| Ender2070 | shreddar - i don't think opera will survive | Feb 28 07:44 |
| Ender2070 | at least on pc | Feb 28 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | they're putting a lot of resources into something that makes them no money | Feb 28 07:45 |
| Ender2070 | they probably live off of google | Feb 28 07:45 |
| DaemonFC | I would hope they have some clever plan | Feb 28 07:45 |
| shreddar | Yeah, I'm surprised Opera is still around. I don't even think they have a 10th of a percent. | Feb 28 07:45 |
| Ender2070 | google pays them to be the default search, and opera gets a cheque to stay in business | Feb 28 07:45 |
| shreddar | They do? | Feb 28 07:45 |
| DaemonFC | there has to be more than that | Feb 28 07:45 |
| Ender2070 | that and their mobile dealings | Feb 28 07:45 |
| Ender2070 | they do have a very good mobile browser | Feb 28 07:45 |
| shreddar | Wow. Google will pay anyone. | Feb 28 07:46 |
| Ender2070 | and the wii one makes them money | Feb 28 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | shreddar, Google pays MSIE frontends | Feb 28 07:46 |
| Ender2070 | shredder - dont quote me on that, i am assuming | Feb 28 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | to make them the search | Feb 28 07:46 |
| shreddar | Mozilla has nothing to worry about, ever. | Feb 28 07:46 |
| DaemonFC | Google cut a check to Maxthon for $1 million | Feb 28 07:46 |
| Ender2070 | after ms did | Feb 28 07:46 |
| Ender2070 | google pays mozilla | Feb 28 07:47 |
| DaemonFC | makes me wonder how Yahell outbit them for the Ubuntu search bribery | Feb 28 07:47 |
| DaemonFC | *outbid | Feb 28 07:47 |
| Ender2070 | anti google sentiment | Feb 28 07:47 |
| DaemonFC | at Canonical? | Feb 28 07:48 |
| Ender2070 | sure its just a theory though | Feb 28 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | why does Google threaten them? | Feb 28 07:49 |
| Ender2070 | they sure like novell technologies and perhaps even have some novell staff afaik | Feb 28 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | they're not in the same business, Google even uses Ubuntu extensively | Feb 28 07:49 |
| Ender2070 | google doesnt threaten canonical | Feb 28 07:49 |
| Ender2070 | im just thinking perhaps they picked up a bit of the anti google sentiment | Feb 28 07:50 |
| shreddar | I think Mozilla has a fighting chance if they can get Fennec to preform better and perhaps make it more portable. | Feb 28 07:57 |
| Ender2070 | yes I agree | Feb 28 07:57 |
| Ender2070 | though I'd also like to see something webkit based | Feb 28 07:58 |
| shreddar | From Mozilla? | Feb 28 07:58 |
| Ender2070 | from anyone | Feb 28 07:58 |
| Ender2070 | for mobile | Feb 28 07:58 |
| shreddar | Well there's Bolt. | Feb 28 07:59 |
| Ender2070 | hmm | Feb 28 08:00 |
| shreddar | Also, there's the browsers that come with most phones now at day. | Feb 28 08:02 |
| shreddar | s | Feb 28 08:02 |
| Ender2070 | yeah but they are usually lame | Feb 28 08:04 |
| Ender2070 | yay wap | Feb 28 08:04 |
| shreddar | Yet another reason Mozilla may have a fighting chance. | Feb 28 08:06 |
| shreddar | I think the reason most of the default mobile browsers might suck is that making a browser with only a rending engine to build with is still a large task for mobile companies R&D. | Feb 28 08:10 |
| shreddar | That's one of the reasons Nokia is just porting Mozilla. | Feb 28 08:11 |
| shreddar | It's already built. | Feb 28 08:11 |
| Ender2070 | strange | Feb 28 08:16 |
| Ender2070 | nokia owns qt and funds webkit | Feb 28 08:16 |
| Ender2070 | why wouldn't they have something webkit based | Feb 28 08:16 |
| shreddar | Because they wanted to get a browser out faster. | Feb 28 08:16 |
| shreddar | That's what they said anyways. | Feb 28 08:17 |
| Ender2070 | qt even has qtwebkit | Feb 28 08:21 |
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| oiaohm | Ender2070: Nokia wants competition. Having one browser alown will cause lazyness in engine work. | Feb 28 08:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell ’s Anti-Red Hat Pitch, Comments Squad, and “Boosters” Team http://ur1.ca/nuk7 #GNU #Linux #Marketing | Feb 28 08:46 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novells Anti-Red Hat Pitch, Comments Squad, and “Boosters” Team | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 101 KB | Feb 28 08:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft withdraws support for versions of #Windows that many businesses still use http://ur1.ca/nuo1 #vista #winxp #win2000 | Feb 28 08:58 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Gives up on More Versions of Windows | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 95.54 KB | Feb 28 08:58 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Got rid of the Apple "mighty" mouse on the iMac, and switched to a Microsoft Basic mouse. SO much better. Double the evil though I guess. | Feb 28 09:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Infiltrates #Linux Expo ( #SCALE 8x) and Uses “Open Source” Dressing to Spread #SilverLie / #XAML http://ur1.ca/nv0j | Feb 28 09:46 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Infiltrates Linux Expo (SCALE 8x) and Uses “Open Source” Dressing to Spread Silver Lie/XAML | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 101.59 KB | Feb 28 09:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Must users of #GNU #Linux give Microsoft clues with which to criminalise? Why make it the default option for them? http://ur1.ca/nv2k | Feb 28 10:02 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Leaked Microsoft Handbook Shows Why Ubuntu Should Dump Yahoo! | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.41 KB | Feb 28 10:02 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Believe it or not If u are happy, u will remember the person whom u love If u are sad u will remember the person who loves u:) via @bsherly | Feb 28 10:02 | |
| oiaohm | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5952 Hmm | Feb 28 10:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Time to name and shame the anti-open source extremists | Open Source | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 106.33 KB | Feb 28 10:10 |
| amarsh04 | is it worth a read oiaohm? I just read the comments next to the link to it on linuxtoday.com | Feb 28 10:12 |
| amarsh04 | most of the anti FLOSS extremeists I know are in government and the education sector and pass themselves off as "reasonable people" | Feb 28 10:13 |
| oiaohm | As with all things it double sided. | Feb 28 10:16 |
| oiaohm | Where there is major anti pirate pushes the result is more FLOSS usage. | Feb 28 10:17 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the groups they list ok might do some anti open source stuff they also do a lot of anti-pirate stuff. | Feb 28 10:17 |
| oiaohm | Now the HMM is are they after to get Open Source to destroy them? | Feb 28 10:18 |
| tessier___ | All of the schools around here have given up on Linux classes. | Feb 28 10:20 |
| tessier___ | You can't find a single Linux class. | Feb 28 10:20 |
| tessier___ | My wife wants to take one. | Feb 28 10:20 |
| tessier___ | A friend and I have been talking about starting our own Linux classes. | Feb 28 10:20 |
| tessier___ | But she doesn't want to take classes from us. | Feb 28 10:20 |
| oiaohm | I have so far 20 people who want me to run one. | Feb 28 10:21 |
| oiaohm | So if you find some good resources for it I will be interested tessier___ | Feb 28 10:21 |
| amarsh04 | how about registering www.mafiia.* and host a site to highlight what is wrong with http://www.iipa.com/ | Feb 28 10:21 |
| amarsh04 | back soon, picking up takeaway | Feb 28 10:22 |
| oiaohm | iipa is not always bad for open source. amarsh04 | Feb 28 10:23 |
| oiaohm | Just some of the things they do are bad. | Feb 28 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Ie cracking down on people breaking copyrights is good. | Feb 28 10:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Forthcoming uk elections. When are we going to get an inclusive political process aimed at and run by adults and not bickering children? | Feb 28 10:26 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Forthcoming uk elections. When are we going to get an inclusive political process aimed at and run by adults and not bickering children? | Feb 28 10:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin I hope your shift work hours stabilise, I found it difficult even when the hours were predictable. | Feb 28 10:30 | |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: good idea | Feb 28 10:39 |
| schestowitz | There's mafiaa.org | Feb 28 10:39 |
| schestowitz | tessier___: service down again? | Feb 28 10:40 |
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| tessier___ | let me see | Feb 28 10:41 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks | Feb 28 10:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @ghabuntu Day Against DRM: Tuesday, May 4th 2010: "When companies organize to design products to restrict us..." http://bit.ly/cEs5Yw | Feb 28 10:46 | |
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| tessier___ | The proxy machine crashed for some reason. I need to reconsider how this proxy thing is set up. Because where it is running now isn't cutting it. | Feb 28 10:51 |
| tessier___ | Site's back. | Feb 28 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Cool, thanks | Feb 28 10:54 |
| schestowitz | It has been fine for about two weeks | Feb 28 10:54 |
| schestowitz | i guess when it rains it sometimes pours | Feb 28 10:54 |
| oiaohm | http://lwn.net/Articles/374574/ Interesting read | Feb 28 10:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: How old is our kernel? [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 53.19 KB | Feb 28 10:57 |
| tessier___ | oiaohm: I miss Zack Brown's kernel news. He did a great job summarizing what was happening on linux-kernel. | Feb 28 11:03 |
| oiaohm | He would be great at the moment with all the alterations going on. tessier___ I do miss him. | Feb 28 11:05 |
| tessier___ | Indeed. | Feb 28 11:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell ’s Financial Results Disappoint Again (Revenue Misses Expectations) http://ur1.ca/nv86 | Feb 28 11:06 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novells Financial Results Disappoint Again (Revenue Misses Expectations) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 109.99 KB | Feb 28 11:06 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't Heise do those kernel reports that are detailed? | Feb 28 11:07 |
| schestowitz | In multiple parts prior to each release | Feb 28 11:07 |
| oiaohm | Zack Brown covered the experment stuff as well schestowitz | Feb 28 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Ie the stuff that you might not see for 5 to 6 releases. | Feb 28 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm... | Feb 28 11:22 |
| schestowitz | Skype is abandoning WinMob | Feb 28 11:22 |
| schestowitz | Others too | Feb 28 11:22 |
| schestowitz | It's a dead duck | Feb 28 11:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fiercevoip.com/story/skype-drops-its-windows-mobile-app/2010-02-25 | Feb 28 11:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Skype drops its Windows Mobile app - FierceVoIP .::. Size~: 40.28 KB | Feb 28 11:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/charts-of-the-week-the-collapse-of-microsofts-mobile-business-2010-2#yahoo-still-king-of-display-advertising-1 | Feb 28 11:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: CHARTS OF THE WEEK: The Collapse Of Microsoft's Mobile Business .::. Size~: 103.78 KB | Feb 28 11:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.daniweb.com/news/story262056.html | Feb 28 11:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dear Microsoft: Please Give Up on Mobile - Cellphones, PDAs and Handheld Devices News Story .::. Size~: 53.96 KB | Feb 28 11:23 |
| schestowitz | http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/microsoft-money-data-bailout/ | Feb 28 11:23 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Money data bailout « Sköne Oke .::. Size~: 16.72 KB | Feb 28 11:23 |
| schestowitz | They never learn | Feb 28 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Don't rely on Microsoft | Feb 28 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Intel Having a Hard Time With Vista 7 http://news.techworld.com/operating-systems/3213679/intel-hits-migration-delays-with-windows-7/ | Feb 28 11:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #Spartacus: Blood and Sand Can it get any better? :) | Feb 28 11:24 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Intel hits migration delays with Windows 7 - Techworld.com .::. Size~: 112.97 KB | Feb 28 11:24 |
| schestowitz | :-S | Feb 28 11:24 |
| schestowitz | tessier___: load is up sharply... similar to what happened yesterday. I don't know why | Feb 28 11:39 |
| tessier___ | ok | Feb 28 11:39 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if it's a process outside the site's | Feb 28 11:39 |
| schestowitz | The logs at the moment show mostly bots | Feb 28 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | "Error 503 Service Unavailable" | Feb 28 11:43 |
| tessier___ | Odd. I checked everything else out first and it seemed ok. Restarted httpd and it came back. | Feb 28 11:49 |
| tessier___ | Let me check crontabs and other logs... | Feb 28 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Feb 28 11:51 |
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| phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Feb 28 11:51 |
| tessier___ | That "Error 504 service unavailable" means the proxy and network are fine. But http itself wasn't answering us. I don't see anything unusual in any logs or crontabs. | Feb 28 11:52 |
| tessier___ | I didn't notice anything in top that looked like it would be causing load but there was a lot of iowait so something is hitting the disk. | Feb 28 11:52 |
| schestowitz | I never saw such an error before, until last night | Feb 28 12:02 |
| oiaohm | tessier___: check smart state of drives. I have seen cases of loss cables set off iowait events. Ok rare but worth while ruling out before digging deeper. tessier___ | Feb 28 12:14 |
| oiaohm | Ie crc transfer error rates. up. tessier___ | Feb 28 12:15 |
| tessier___ | ok | Feb 28 12:15 |
| oiaohm | Of course I don't think you would have been stupid enough to have equal to a heavy metal party in the server room. Harddrives read rates don't take nicely to lots of loud noise. | Feb 28 12:18 |
| tessier___ | schestowitz: Do you do your own graphics? You come up with some pretty good ones. I like the dot net trojan horse with the patent bomb. | Feb 28 12:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Is copyright getting in the way of us preserving our history? http://is.gd/9nsjg | Feb 28 12:27 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Is copyright getting in the way of us preserving our history? | Victor Keegan |Technology |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 101.88 KB | Feb 28 12:27 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Is copyright getting in the way of us preserving our history? http://is.gd/9nsjg | Feb 28 12:27 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Is copyright getting in the way of us preserving our history? | Victor Keegan |Technology |guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 101.88 KB | Feb 28 12:27 |
| schestowitz | tessier___: I use the GIMP | Feb 28 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu removes the GIMP | Feb 28 12:32 |
| tessier___ | Wish I had some graphical skills. I suck with gimp/inkscape/etc. | Feb 28 12:32 |
| schestowitz | wallclimber is good at it | Feb 28 12:32 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/02/child-labor-at-apples-suppliers.ars?comments=1 | Feb 28 12:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Child labor at Apple's suppliers in China? You betcha. Apple says it discovered a number of 15-year-olds working last year, among numerous other factory transgressions. .::. Size~: 27.65 KB | Feb 28 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Good headline: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10457157-64.html | Feb 28 12:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Take note Apple, Dell makes plastic look good | Nanotech - The Circuits Blog - CNET News .::. Size~: 227.8 KB | Feb 28 12:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.portfolio.com/companies-executives/2010/02/24/google-stumbles-with-its-launch-of-facebook-rival-social-network-buzz/ | Feb 28 12:45 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google Stumbles With Its Launch Of Facebook Rival Social Network Buzz - Companies & Execs - Portfolio.com .::. Size~: 45.08 KB | Feb 28 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Funny picture | Feb 28 12:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61Q1IF20100227 | Feb 28 13:05 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Berkshire net rises, Buffett sees housing rebound| Reuters .::. Size~: 58.78 KB | Feb 28 13:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I wonder if this is a trend where #China may buy US businesses. http://ur1.ca/nvj3 | Feb 28 13:13 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Chinese Pull Out of Deal To Buy Hummer From GM | Business | TheLedger.com .::. Size~: 59.97 KB | Feb 28 13:13 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Test test pls ignore :-) | Feb 28 13:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Is it possible to boot an Intel iMac off an ext4 formatted USB stick (Ubuntu). Holding option at boot does nothing.. | Feb 28 13:44 | |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Feb 28 14:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] People often cope with deadlines by a process of automatic writing, with no barrier between their asshole and keyboard. Results variable. | Feb 28 14:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Shamed MPs can return to the House of Commons - Times Online - Surprise surprise....not! http://tinyurl.com/yexzfr2 | Feb 28 14:13 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Shamed MPs can return to the House of Commons - Times Online .::. Size~: 104.4 KB | Feb 28 14:13 |
| schestowitz | "shame on you..." -- Bush | Feb 28 14:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] http://jennymccarthybodycount.com/ I find it hard to think of a fate suitable for anti-vaccine nutters. | Feb 28 14:16 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/palm-cuts-revenue-outlook-leads-tech-losses-2010-02-25 | Feb 28 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmm..... | Feb 28 14:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Palm cuts revenue outlook, leads tech losses - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 86.33 KB | Feb 28 14:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard http://jennymccarthybodycount.com/ I find it hard to think of a fate suitable for anti-vaccine nutters. | Feb 28 14:17 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: .::. Size~: 0.32 KB | Feb 28 14:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Running the Alpha 3 of Lucid (10.04LTS) my views coming soon! #ubuntu #linux #foss #gnu #free | Feb 28 14:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Cameron's speech like so many other politicians is vague nice sounding emptiness to get through an election then they can do what they want. | Feb 28 14:47 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Cameron's speech like so many other politicians is vague nice sounding emptiness to get through an election then they can do what they want. | Feb 28 14:47 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/20/opinion/20kulash.html?ref=global-home | Feb 28 14:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Op-Ed Contributor - Free viral videos - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 42.31 KB | Feb 28 14:49 |
| schestowitz | "[PJ: I agree with Bruce on this last point, and there is no excuse, in my mind, since OSI does have lawyers now to help it weed out the legally inadequate licenses. This case was very nearly a disaster for FOSS. When your license is certified as open source but conceivably dangerous to the entire FOSS ecosystem, what are you doing and why are you doing it?] -" | Feb 28 14:50 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: where's that from? | Feb 28 14:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9160878/Federal_judge_orders_Pa._schools_to_stop_laptop_spying | Feb 28 14:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Federal judge orders Pa. schools to stop laptop spying .::. Size~: 124.25 KB | Feb 28 14:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: News Picks | Feb 28 14:54 |
| schestowitz | I'll mention that later | Feb 28 14:54 |
| schestowitz | I have a lot to rain on Microsoft with tomorrow :-) | Feb 28 14:54 |
| MinceR | :) | Feb 28 14:54 |
| schestowitz | "Director of Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) William H Gates Iii sold 7,000,000 shares during the past week at an average price of $28.77." http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=85359 | Feb 28 14:55 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Weekly Top Insider Sells: Microsoft Corp., Xerox Corp., Stryker Corp, St. Jude Medical Inc. -- GuruFocus.com .::. Size~: 52.21 KB | Feb 28 14:55 |
| schestowitz | He found another set of monopolies that are more profitable | Feb 28 14:56 |
| schestowitz | He sure knows how to dodge the law and make money | Feb 28 14:56 |
| schestowitz | He was a lawyer kid | Feb 28 14:56 |
| schestowitz | http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2010/02/spy-at-harrington-high.html | Feb 28 14:57 |
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| cubezzz | he sells shares every month I believe | Feb 28 14:58 |
| cubezzz | and don't forget those New Mexico speeding tickets :) | Feb 28 14:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202444432807&State_Need_Not_Prove_Stalker_Had_Knowledge_of_the_Fear_He_Inspired | Feb 28 15:02 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Law.com - State Need Not Prove Stalker Had Knowledge of the Fear He Inspired .::. Size~: 25.22 KB | Feb 28 15:02 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: MITS guys hated him | Feb 28 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Ewwww... http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Search-Engines/Google-Will-Appeal-Employee-Convictions-In-Italian-Court-780912/ | Feb 28 15:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google Will Appeal Employee Convictions in Italian Court - Search Engines from eWeek .::. Size~: 106.8 KB | Feb 28 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Watch that trash at the top | Feb 28 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, I love how italy likes to embarass themselves internationally | Feb 28 15:06 |
| cubezzz | MITS? | Feb 28 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | <italy> well, I dont care if you two had anything to do with this, you work for google so you must be guilty! | Feb 28 15:09 |
| cubezzz | the people who made Altair you mean? | Feb 28 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | er, three, not two | Feb 28 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wish google would just pull out of itally | Feb 28 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | and start blocking the entire italian IP block | Feb 28 15:12 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: | Feb 28 15:15 |
| schestowitz | “He [Bill Gates] acted like a spoiled kid, which is what he was.” | Feb 28 15:15 |
| schestowitz | –Ed Roberts, Gates’ employer at MITS in the 1970’s (Atlanta Journal-Costitution, 04-27-97) | Feb 28 15:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mercurynews.com/business-headlines/ci_14478986?nclick_check=1 | Feb 28 15:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Cassidy: Geek girls make a point at Linux Expo - San Jose Mercury News .::. Size~: 64.89 KB | Feb 28 15:16 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Feb 28 15:16 |
| cubezzz | I'd say he still is | Feb 28 15:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.scotusblog.com/2010/02/%E2%80%9Chonest-services%E2%80%9D-fraud-round-3/#more-16812 | Feb 28 15:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: SCOTUSblog » “Honest services†fraud: Round 3 .::. Size~: 51.54 KB | Feb 28 15:17 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: now with the capacity to cause more damage | Feb 28 15:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/02/former-teen-cheerleader-dinged-27750-for-infringing-37-songs/ | Feb 28 15:18 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Former Teen Cheerleader Dinged $27,750 for File Sharing 37 Songs | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 102.09 KB | Feb 28 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Wow. They don't say "pirate" in the headline | Feb 28 15:18 |
| cubezzz | American I presume? | Feb 28 15:19 |
| cubezzz | RIAA yeah | Feb 28 15:21 |
| cubezzz | more scare tactics by the RIAA | Feb 28 15:21 |
| cubezzz | there must still be tons of people downloading music | Feb 28 15:22 |
| cubezzz | I wonder what percentage of people actually get in trouble for it | Feb 28 15:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | approximately 0%. | Feb 28 15:22 |
| schestowitz | My brother is installing Mandriva | Feb 28 15:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'm not convinced the people who lose are actual people and not actors. | Feb 28 15:22 |
| *amarsh04 remembers the old add for Maxell cassettes which claimed that those who taped records owned more records than those who didn't | Feb 28 15:23 | |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: aha | Feb 28 15:23 |
| cubezzz | "The first RIAA case to go to trial against an individual concerned Jammie Thomas. A Minnesota jury ordered the woman to pay $1.92 million for file sharing 24 songs. The judge in the case reduced the award to $54,000 — $2,250 a track" | Feb 28 15:23 |
| cubezzz | it seems ridiculous :-0 | Feb 28 15:23 |
| schestowitz | They make it seem like a bargain | Feb 28 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Good pR/spin | Feb 28 15:24 |
| schestowitz | "You are sentenced to DEATH" | Feb 28 15:24 |
| cubezzz | how do they figure on 2 grand per track even? | Feb 28 15:24 |
| schestowitz | "On second though, you'll just be a slave for life" | Feb 28 15:24 |
| schestowitz | *thought | Feb 28 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: they cant | Feb 28 15:24 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: guy feeling :-) | Feb 28 15:24 |
| schestowitz | She's their Jesus | Feb 28 15:24 |
| cubezzz | just make them buy the CDs :) | Feb 28 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | especially since I'm not entirely sure those songs even exist | Feb 28 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Taking the suffering for all people's sins | Feb 28 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, some of those things cant be real | Feb 28 15:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | like "brittney spears" | Feb 28 15:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | I doubt she exists, and I doubt shes ever made music | Feb 28 15:25 |
| schestowitz | She never did | Feb 28 15:25 |
| schestowitz | She sings | Feb 28 15:25 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Feb 28 15:25 |
| schestowitz | She can't do notes | Feb 28 15:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: sounds like a made up name | Feb 28 15:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres no such person | Feb 28 15:25 |
| cubezzz | she was in that Mickey Mouse club though | Feb 28 15:25 |
| cubezzz | before becoming famous | Feb 28 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | mickey mouse is a fictional character | Feb 28 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | so thats not helping your case | Feb 28 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Alician keys actually make music, for example | Feb 28 15:26 |
| amarsh04 | a more pertinent question is how much electronic pitch correction is needed on the recordings of so called artists | Feb 28 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Alicia | Feb 28 15:26 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: so was Aguillera | Feb 28 15:27 |
| schestowitz | At least she has a decent voice | Feb 28 15:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x33j1a_alicia-keys-superwoman-live-cgi | Feb 28 15:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dailymotion - Alicia Keys, Superwoman (live @ CGI) - une vidéo .::. Size~: 61.91 KB | Feb 28 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Justin TimberFLAKE was in my gym a few years back... his voice sucks and he's tiny | Feb 28 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're all scam artists | Feb 28 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | they dont actually exist | Feb 28 15:28 |
| schestowitz | They have a lot of staff around them | Feb 28 15:28 |
| schestowitz | They are not people | Feb 28 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | they might not even _really_ exist | Feb 28 15:28 |
| schestowitz | They ae products | Feb 28 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Brands | Feb 28 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | they could just be cgi | Feb 28 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes they get renamed | Feb 28 15:28 |
| cubezzz | lol | Feb 28 15:28 |
| schestowitz | If their real names don't match the product name as PR decides | Feb 28 15:28 |
| cubezzz | from the 1950's Diablo-D3? :) | Feb 28 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Judy Garland even | Feb 28 15:28 |
| cubezzz | I think not | Feb 28 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Gumm sisters | Feb 28 15:28 |
| amarsh04 | Gummo | Feb 28 15:28 |
| schestowitz | I don't remember her first name | Feb 28 15:28 |
| amarsh04 | something like that... Gummo was one of the Marx brothers | Feb 28 15:28 |
| cubezzz | "initial 1955–1959 run on ABC" | Feb 28 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | the RIAA doesnt even exist | Feb 28 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | that too is made up shit | Feb 28 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 28 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Front group | Feb 28 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Blame the "RIAA" | Feb 28 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | ooh a mystical evil group that controls all music! | Feb 28 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Just don't mock Universal, Sony, etc, | Feb 28 15:29 |
| schestowitz | It's a proxy | Feb 28 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Punch bag | Feb 28 15:29 |
| schestowitz | No products | Feb 28 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | I bet they did 9/11 too! | Feb 28 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | ooh soo scary! | Feb 28 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | people need to quit believing in scams | Feb 28 15:29 |
| schestowitz | RIAA is like patent trolls to Microsoft and IV | Feb 28 15:30 |
| schestowitz | They are satellites | Feb 28 15:30 |
| schestowitz | "Talk to the hand" | Feb 28 15:30 |
| cubezzz | I assume Wired does some due digilence | Feb 28 15:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @uupc We're recording a jam-packed episode 2 tomorrow evening. Is there anything we don't know about that we should, before | Feb 28 15:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @uupc We're recording a jam-packed episode 2 tomorrow evening. Is there anything we don't know about that we should, before we record? | Feb 28 15:30 | |
| cubezzz | but journalism might be lacking these days | Feb 28 15:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: Im not entirely convinced microsoft exists | Feb 28 15:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive never met Bill Gates. | Feb 28 15:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | Nor have I met anyone whos ever worked for Microsoft. | Feb 28 15:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | This leads me to believe its just a small room of indians somewhere | Feb 28 15:31 |
| cubezzz | I've called MIcrosoft Canada a number of times | Feb 28 15:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: so? its just a phone number | Feb 28 15:31 |
| *amarsh04 is trying to figure out how Hal Leonard publishers re-copyrighted Claudio Monteverdi's Vespers of 1610 | Feb 28 15:31 | |
| cubezzz | I've met a Microsoft employee :) | Feb 28 15:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: but Ive never met you | Feb 28 15:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | I bet most of these giant international companies dont actually exist | Feb 28 15:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Dad is currently in an induced coma while they work out WTF is wrong. Stable. No idea when off to Australia. Fingers crossed. | Feb 28 15:32 | |
| cubezzz | how about all those buildings in Redmond? :) | Feb 28 15:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont know if Redmond exists. | Feb 28 15:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive never been there. | Feb 28 15:32 |
| cubezzz | Reductio ad absurdum | Feb 28 15:34 |
| cubezzz | anyways... :) | Feb 28 15:34 |
| cubezzz | I wish Microsoft didn't exist, but it does | Feb 28 15:35 |
| cubezzz | unfortunately | Feb 28 15:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Getting a weird coredump with libcurl and an https url in #fedora, backtrace points at libcurl, rpm -V seems fine, suggestions? | Feb 28 15:38 | |
| schestowitz | My brother can't tell the difference bewteen tar.gz and RPM still *Sigh* | Feb 28 15:41 |
| schestowitz | WIndows mentality syndrome | Feb 28 15:41 |
| schestowitz | WIndows users can't get their heads around the idea od repos | Feb 28 15:42 |
| schestowitz | *of | Feb 28 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: Microsoft does exist | Feb 28 15:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | he cant tell the difference between a bunch of letters? | Feb 28 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Unless you're some ALex Jones | Feb 28 15:42 |
| schestowitz | He think Microsoft was an IBM drone :-)D | Feb 28 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: no | Feb 28 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Newbie for the most part | Feb 28 15:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | he should fail kindergarden then | Feb 28 15:43 |
| schestowitz | So he phones me | Feb 28 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Na | Feb 28 15:43 |
| schestowitz | No kindergarten | Feb 28 15:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | first grade then | Feb 28 15:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | whatever one they teach you your ABCs in | Feb 28 15:43 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/?p=1782 | Feb 28 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | Good news: http://www.crossbytes.org/computer-recycling-center/hot-news/whyweusefedoraandnotmicrosoft | Feb 28 15:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why we Use Fedora and not Microsoft (CrossBytes) .::. Size~: 18.73 KB | Feb 28 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Computer Recycling Center to Install Fedora GNU/Linux on Old PCs | Feb 28 15:44 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Closing my twitter account. Too bad some interesting people I'd like to follow such as !doctorow are not on identi.ca. Proprietary sucks! | Feb 28 15:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] I got a feeling my libcurl problem in #fedora 12 is related to #nspr4 | Feb 28 15:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Automatic writing. Bowels direct to keyboard, unimpeded. Results variable. http://is.gd/9o5lm http://is.gd/9o5qd | Feb 28 15:58 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: reddragdiva | Automatic writing. Bowels direct to keyboard, unimpeded. Results variable. .::. Size~: 28.48 KB | Feb 28 15:58 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: reddragdiva: Automatic writing. Bowels direct to keyboard, unimpeded. Results variable. .::. Size~: 19.73 KB | Feb 28 15:58 |
| schestowitz | hmmm... http://lgn.linux-hardcore.com/gnulinux-versions-of-grubby-games-products-are-being-phased-out/ | Feb 28 16:01 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux Gaming News » Blog Archive » GNU/Linux Versions Of Grubby Games Products Are Being Phased Out ? .::. Size~: 30.38 KB | Feb 28 16:01 |
| schestowitz | The PC gaming industry _in general_ is having a tough time because of Web-based games, handhelds/phones with stores, and consoles. | Feb 28 16:03 |
| schestowitz | The last time someone surveyed data from microsoft.com IPs, most were still using Google. Dogfood doesn't taste good at Microsoft and some ex-employees move to Macs or experiment with GNU/Linux at home. | Feb 28 16:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] My brother is migrating to #GNU #Linux ( #Mandriva ) today. It succeeds where Windows fails. | Feb 28 16:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "Antivaxers should all do 6 weeks in an infectious diseases ward and one in a pediatric morgue." (Ailbhe via Shira) | Feb 28 16:12 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20100216007139&newsLang=en | Feb 28 16:13 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] http://www.facebook.com/pages/No-I-will-not-fix-your-computer/437160390388 | Feb 28 16:16 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: No, I will not fix your computer. | Facebook .::. Size~: 50.89 KB | Feb 28 16:16 |
| cubezzz | I'll do the fix your computer thing, if they let me put Linux on | Feb 28 16:28 |
| cubezzz | or pay $$$ | Feb 28 16:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/acma-takes-aim-at-whirlpool-supplier/story-0-1111119124846 | Feb 28 16:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: ACMA takes aim at Whirlpool, supplier | The Australian .::. Size~: 58.08 KB | Feb 28 16:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera I don't want to become 'the support guy' | Feb 28 16:39 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/25/andrew-koenig-found.html | Feb 28 16:52 |
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| amarsh04 | yes, I read about Andrew on www.startreknewvoyages.com | Feb 28 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Chile Hawaii killd hundreds | Feb 28 17:08 |
| schestowitz | But it's not the 'West', so it doesn't matter to the pres | Feb 28 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.newsleader.com/article/20100222/NEWS01/2220318 | Feb 28 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | And these are politicians who run countries...... | Feb 28 17:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Thunderstorm in Lisboa... | Feb 28 17:12 | |
| schestowitz | http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/blackwater-senate-committee-contractor-armed-dangerous/story?id=9936807&page=1 | Feb 28 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | brb | Feb 28 17:18 |
| *MinceR is contemplating putting the root fs of his netbook on an SD card and letting the HDD spin down most of the time | Feb 28 17:25 | |
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| ender2070 | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/27/2040251/US-Government-Poisoned-Alcohol-During-Prohibition | Feb 28 17:43 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | US Government Poisoned Alcohol During Prohibition .::. Size~: 180.61 KB | Feb 28 17:43 |
| cubezzz | yahoo bot was going though my ports sequentially | Feb 28 17:43 |
| cubezzz | data light was on solid | Feb 28 17:44 |
| cubezzz | rather odd | Feb 28 17:44 |
| ender2070 | http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/022510_greeneconomy.pdf | Feb 28 17:44 |
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| ender2070 | UN plans for a green economy | Feb 28 17:44 |
| ender2070 | leaked | Feb 28 17:44 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/15vr8e - Lucid Alpha 3 - with Firefox defaulting to Yahoo.Article to follow! #linux #ubuntu #foss | Feb 28 18:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] OK, Saturday night, conga lounge, 80s music and Mai Tais make for a complex and confusing Sunday morning. | Feb 28 18:53 | |
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| schestowitz | Always funny to hear people'\s first few shows (amateur): http://linuxbasement.com/content/episode-2-google-lecturefox-and-squid-oh-my-linux-basement | Feb 28 19:30 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Episode 2 - Google, Lecturefox, and Squid, Oh My by Linux Basement | Linux Basement .::. Size~: 30.22 KB | Feb 28 19:30 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: green economy is OK | Feb 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Except the name | Feb 28 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Don't tell me you're still thinking we don't affect the planet's state (dimming, water, temperature/glaciers) | Feb 28 19:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] My life is complete, I just saw a man fall off a unicycle outside my house. He was holding a pint, to boot. Comedy gold. | Feb 28 19:32 | |
| schestowitz | > Add a Google search of Boycott Novell to Konqueror, for right click truth search! Just push the icon on your search bar to reveal the choice of search engines you have and select the last entry, "Select Search Engines." Then create a new entry with the following fields: | Feb 28 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > Search provider name: | Feb 28 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > Google BN Search | Feb 28 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 28 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > Search URI: | Feb 28 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=site%3Aboycottnovell.com+\{@} | Feb 28 19:35 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: site:boycottnovell.com - Google Search .::. Size~: 24.58 KB | Feb 28 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 28 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > URI shortcuts: | Feb 28 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > gboycottnovell | Feb 28 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 28 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > Charset: | Feb 28 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > Default | Feb 28 19:35 |
| schestowitz | I already do this in Firefox. I try to use CMS search when possible (no spying by Google, bar PageRank TB) | Feb 28 19:36 |
| schestowitz | > The result is very handy for researching people, companies and software in the news. Boycott Novell collects lots of good information. Google does a good job of organizing that information but the above trick can be used with any search engine that has site specific search. | Feb 28 19:36 |
| schestowitz | > Iceweasel/Firefox, sadly, takes more effort than cutting and pasting existing text. This is one of the many reasons I prefer Konqueror. The online select search engine button called up a web site that was DDoS'd or no longer available. The following advice also did not work, so I leave it to people who prefer Firefox to solve the problem for themselves. Perhaps you already know how to do this or can get an answer from IRC | Feb 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz | people. | Feb 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://byisk.info/index.php/add-any-search-to-use-in-location-field/#more-221 | Feb 28 19:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Add any search to use in location field « Me My Guy and I .::. Size~: 18.34 KB | Feb 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Any help with this? Some reader is asking, for IRC | Feb 28 19:37 |
| schestowitz | I had this working as a search extension to my personal site back in 2005. I haven't tried it since. | Feb 28 19:39 |
| ender2070 | [14:24] <schestowitz> | Feb 28 19:40 |
| ender2070 | we have some impact, and things could improve | Feb 28 19:40 |
| ender2070 | i think big business should get the hammer not people | Feb 28 19:40 |
| ender2070 | reversing deforestation would help big time, trees eat c02 | Feb 28 19:41 |
| ender2070 | but nobody wants to do that | Feb 28 19:41 |
| ender2070 | or get rid of power plants that burn coal | Feb 28 19:41 |
| ender2070 | taxing air is a bad move | Feb 28 19:41 |
| ender2070 | tax these corporations that are destroying the earth, not people | Feb 28 19:41 |
| ender2070 | and | Feb 28 19:41 |
| ender2070 | when you have money behind something, such as the environmental movement - something is up | Feb 28 19:42 |
| ender2070 | you know they have a plan to make big bucks off of it | Feb 28 19:42 |
| ender2070 | carbon credits are for the sin of exhaling | Feb 28 19:43 |
| schestowitz | [19:41] <ender2070> tax these corporations that are destroying the earth, not people | Feb 28 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Feb 28 19:53 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying, "make government work for the people" | Feb 28 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Never worked :-) | Feb 28 19:53 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100223/0210088264.shtml | Feb 28 19:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Confused Musician Threatens Google, Blog Because Her Works Are Found Elsewhere On The Internet | Techdirt .::. Size~: 115.26 KB | Feb 28 19:54 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://digihub.theage.com.au/node/1553 | Feb 28 19:55 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Digihub Home | digihub.theage.com.au .::. Size~: 21.83 KB | Feb 28 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Great headline | Feb 28 19:55 |
| schestowitz | They cook the surveys | Feb 28 19:55 |
| schestowitz | "Are you against child porn? THEN SUPPORT MY BILL!" | Feb 28 19:56 |
| schestowitz | "Are you against TERROR~1? THEN SUPPORT MY BILL!" | Feb 28 19:56 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100223/1927238281.shtml | Feb 28 19:56 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Feb 28 19:57 |
| schestowitz | http://waxy.org/2010/02/regarding_foursquare_and_please_rob_me/ | Feb 28 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: | Feb 28 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: | Feb 28 19:58 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8530378.stm | Feb 28 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: right back at cha | Feb 28 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: that's basically what I was thinking, when decideing to do it, back at you | Feb 28 19:59 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100223/1847518280.shtml | Feb 28 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: that's almost recursive | Feb 28 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: | Feb 28 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: recursive meaning of? likely to happen as a result? something that is likely to happen? | Feb 28 20:01 |
| ender2070 | [14:46] <schestowitz> It's like saying, "make government work for the people" | Feb 28 20:03 |
| ender2070 | yeah but they are going about it the wrong way | Feb 28 20:04 |
| ender2070 | taxing air should be last on the list, way below shutting down every coal burning power plant in favour of nuclear | Feb 28 20:04 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: just never ending | Feb 28 20:06 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: there's no solution really | Feb 28 20:06 |
| ender2070 | its sad that the UN needs to make yet another panel, this one to make sure the IPCC isn't lying through its teeth | Feb 28 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Either going primitive or reducing populaiton growth | Feb 28 20:06 |
| ender2070 | then we'll need another panel to reduce the lies of the other two | Feb 28 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Possible to do both | Feb 28 20:07 |
| schestowitz | But to feed today's population you need a lot of energy too (factories) | Feb 28 20:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @redarrow: RD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djVaJN0f0VQ !Debian !GNU !Radiognu !windows7sins !edusol #CopiarNoEsRobar | Feb 28 20:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @redarrow: RD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djVaJN0f0VQ #Debian #GNU #Radiognu #windows7sins #edusol #CopiarNoEsRobar | Feb 28 20:08 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/02/pentagon-discloses-hundreds-reports-possibly | Feb 28 20:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Pentagon Discloses Hundreds of Reports of Possibly Illegal Intelligence Activities | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 21.3 KB | Feb 28 20:09 |
| schestowitz | http://thepriorart.typepad.com/the_prior_art/2010/02/greg-girard-esn-v-cisco-inventor-arrested-on-weapons-charges.html | Feb 28 20:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Prior Art: Patent Litigation Weekly: Inventor from ESN v. Cisco and Troll Tracker Lawsuits Arrested on Weapons Charges .::. Size~: 55.72 KB | Feb 28 20:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/02/11/police_say_man_with_weapons_cache_was_preparing_for_armageddon/ | Feb 28 20:10 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Police say man with weapons cache was preparing for Armageddon - The Boston Globe .::. Size~: 33.44 KB | Feb 28 20:10 |
| schestowitz | LOL@ "preparing for Armageddon" | Feb 28 20:10 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100225/0220418299.shtml http://www.law.com/jsp/cc/PubArticleCC.jsp?id=1202444085455&Set_for_Armageddon_Inventor_Nabbed_With_Explosives_DoubleEdged_Knives | Feb 28 20:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Inventor Involved In Patent Troll Tracker Lawsuit Arrested For Weapons Stockpiling | Techdirt .::. Size~: 42.12 KB | Feb 28 20:11 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Set for 'Armageddon': Inventor Nabbed With Explosives, Double-Edged Knives .::. Size~: 28.56 KB | Feb 28 20:11 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100216/0430048183.shtml | Feb 28 20:16 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Academic Author Sues Journal Editor For Criminal Defamation Over Negative Book Review | Techdirt .::. Size~: 47.17 KB | Feb 28 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Pffffffffffftttt. | Feb 28 20:16 |
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| *Ender2070 (~Ender2070@bas1-toronto12-1128666738.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #boycottnovell | Feb 28 20:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin and what about the weather gizmo with usonion only settings? | Feb 28 20:24 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/02/25/novell-still-looking-for-its-mojo/ | Feb 28 20:30 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Novell: Still Looking for its Mojo | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 49.91 KB | Feb 28 20:30 |
| Ender2070 | I still think the var guy is an idiot | Feb 28 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: They like VAR guy on Linux Today | Feb 28 20:37 |
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| sebsebseb | Ender2070: Who is he? Some American? | Feb 28 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: it's like that Groklaw woman, mind gone blank what's her name | Feb 28 20:38 |
| Ender2070 | no way | Feb 28 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | they have a secret identity you don't really know who they are | Feb 28 20:38 |
| Ender2070 | the var guy has no clue what he is talking about | Feb 28 20:38 |
| Ender2070 | he wrote an article a few weeks ago comparing redhat's failed exchange to a completely unrelated service | Feb 28 20:39 |
| Ender2070 | basicly, advertising disguised as an article | Feb 28 20:39 |
| Ender2070 | hes also claimed to have met and had dinner with Bill Gates | Feb 28 20:40 |
| Omar87 | Howdy all! | Feb 28 20:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Murdoch's hunger for power has always been a threat to #democracy http://bit.ly/9HrgTR #fox - just like #microsoft @BillGates #megalomania | Feb 28 20:42 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Rupert Murdoch's hunger for power is a threat to democracy | Henry Porter |Comment is free |The Observer .::. Size~: 175.39 KB | Feb 28 20:42 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/02/15/can-digium-succeed-where-red-hat-failed/ | Feb 28 20:43 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Can Digium Succeed Where Red Hat Failed? | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 47.58 KB | Feb 28 20:43 |
| Ender2070 | horseshit | Feb 28 20:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webupd8.org/2010/02/confirmed-ubuntu-1004-supports-iphone.html3 | Feb 28 20:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 404 Not Found .::. Size~: 0 KB | Feb 28 20:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webupd8.org/2010/02/confirmed-ubuntu-1004-supports-iphone.html | Feb 28 20:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Confirmed: Ubuntu 10.04 Supports iPhone / iPod Touch Out Of The Box ~ Web Upd8 .::. Size~: 98.87 KB | Feb 28 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Mac Asay can use Ubuntu now | Feb 28 20:44 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh it will do Iphone and Ipod touch out of the box? | Feb 28 20:44 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: Var Guy is Joe P | Feb 28 20:44 |
| sebsebseb | heh @ schestowitz | Feb 28 20:44 |
| bruce89 | surely that's not new? | Feb 28 20:44 |
| schestowitz | I was doing some chatting with him | Feb 28 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070 thought he was a bad guy | Feb 28 20:44 |
| sebsebseb | the matt thing | Feb 28 20:44 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: you could sync an ipod and that was about it I think | Feb 28 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: but RHX failed | Feb 28 20:45 |
| bruce89 | so what are they claiming now> | Feb 28 20:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "[#Murdoch's] accusation of persecution is typical – a gangster reflex made in knowledge that the company can't be touched by MPs, or media" | Feb 28 20:46 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "everybody has their own #lisp implementation. Some programmers' dogs & cats probably [do] as well" http://code.google.com/p/femtolisp #code | Feb 28 20:53 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: femtolisp - Project Hosting on Google Code .::. Size~: 13.01 KB | Feb 28 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Well I hope that's true that peoples iPhones and iPod's will just work properly with Ubuntu | Feb 28 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | quite a lot of people want that kind of thing | Feb 28 20:53 |
| bruce89 | as I said, that's surely always been the case | Feb 28 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: no people have had to jailbreak ipod touches or virtual machine Windows for them, and stuff like that | Feb 28 20:54 |
| bruce89 | is this a Ubuntu patch, or upstream doing the work and Ubuntu getting the credit? | Feb 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Europe 'will not accept' three strikes in Acta treaty http://www.zdnet.co.uk/zdnetuk/news/communications/0,1000000085,40057434,00.htm | Feb 28 21:01 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Europe 'will not accept' three strikes in Acta treaty - ZDNet.co.uk .::. Size~: 103.88 KB | Feb 28 21:01 |
| schestowitz | bruce89: probably the latter, as usual | Feb 28 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is the new "Linux" *sigh?* | Feb 28 21:01 |
| bruce89 | ugh | Feb 28 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Android does that in phone | Feb 28 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Users of Android that I know here don't know what Linux is | Feb 28 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Same for Ubuntu sometimes | Feb 28 21:02 |
| schestowitz | They probably think MarkS wrote the thing from scratch :-) | Feb 28 21:02 |
| bruce89 | indeed, Channel 4 thought that | Feb 28 21:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera If you are meaning the weather report for the taskbar, that doesn't seem to work at all at the moment! | Feb 28 21:03 | |
| bruce89 | he was interviewed on More4 news, and they assumed that his company wrote it all I think | Feb 28 21:03 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people think Bill gates wrote WIndows | Feb 28 21:03 |
| schestowitz | he was a crap coder | Feb 28 21:03 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I already linked to Acta thing last night | Feb 28 21:03 |
| bruce89 | that's against the law to link to things twice | Feb 28 21:03 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Linux Today had something I gave link to that, and then the article from there is your one, or something else | Feb 28 21:04 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: there was some article or advert or something, I saw I think yesterday, Android vs Linux | Feb 28 21:04 |
| sebsebseb | Android is Linux | Feb 28 21:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] FYI I also provide Open Source Consultancy for FOSS migrations for schools, college, institutes. Do Let me know about opportunity. | Feb 28 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | Android is not too bad though because it gives patches | Feb 28 21:05 |
| schestowitz | I'm also for Ubuntu | Feb 28 21:05 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: anyway that's what a lot of these embedded companies want to do, they don't want the consumer to know what software they are actsually running | Feb 28 21:05 |
| *bruce89 admits to like Android | Feb 28 21:05 | |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - digium has nothing to do with RHX | Feb 28 21:05 |
| schestowitz | They don't attack FOSS with swpays | Feb 28 21:05 |
| schestowitz | *pats | Feb 28 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Unlike Amazon, Novell, etc. | Feb 28 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: it runs on RHEL sometimes, I thin | Feb 28 21:06 |
| Ender2070 | digium has nothing to do with RHX | Feb 28 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Digium has a distro | Feb 28 21:06 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what runs on it | Feb 28 21:06 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: does it really matter after all? | Feb 28 21:06 |
| Ender2070 | they sell vo-ip solutions | Feb 28 21:06 |
| schestowitz | And maybe asterisk was in RHX | Feb 28 21:06 |
| Ender2070 | rhx sells cms and web apps | Feb 28 21:06 |
| schestowitz | So-looooooooo-tions | Feb 28 21:06 |
| schestowitz | I have this word | Feb 28 21:06 |
| Ender2070 | NOTHING at all alike | Feb 28 21:06 |
| Ender2070 | its like saying mcdonalds will do better than RHX | Feb 28 21:07 |
| sebsebseb | back later, it's 24 this evening again :) | Feb 28 21:07 |
| schestowitz | rhx sells... FOSS | Feb 28 21:07 |
| Ender2070 | its just a redhat smear | Feb 28 21:07 |
| schestowitz | 'sells' | Feb 28 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not intended | Feb 28 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Speak to him | Feb 28 21:07 |
| sebsebseb | the next new episode :) | Feb 28 21:07 |
| schestowitz | <joe@ninelivesmediainc.com> | Feb 28 21:07 |
| schestowitz | He'd do a followup post | Feb 28 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Like he did Novell's | Feb 28 21:08 |
| schestowitz | After they probably sat on him | Feb 28 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Sure seems like he was pressured to correct himself | Feb 28 21:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Microsoft may be confusing "innovation" with "inspiration" (maybe they should check a dictionary re "extortion" vs "competition", too) | Feb 28 21:09 | |
| Ender2070 | yeah they sold support | Feb 28 21:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@king_kaufman NBC 'Most important game in history of #hockey' hype / I think it's code 4 "we know you're bored with everything else on #TV" | Feb 28 21:11 | |
| schestowitz | mARBUX keeps sending me those ODF bashings....... | Feb 28 21:12 |
| Ender2070 | rhx didnt sell everything out of FOSS, they focused on the business end | Feb 28 21:12 |
| schestowitz | He's bring obnoxious... though I don't respond to him | Feb 28 21:12 |
| schestowitz | > IBM and Sun advance their anti-ODF interop agenda, killing ODF 1.2 Strict with a classic embrace and extend maneuver. Boycott Novell is mentioned in the parent article. | Feb 28 21:13 |
| schestowitz | > This is exactly what FOSS proponents earn by focusing all of their disapproval on the foxes that are not in the ODF hen house. The foxes inside the hen house just keep eating the ODF hens. | Feb 28 21:13 |
| schestowitz | > It continues to amaze me that so few dare speak out against IBM and Sun's trashing of the ODF specification, both in its drafting and in its implementation. | Feb 28 21:13 |
| Ender2070 | web apps, database, etc | Feb 28 21:13 |
| schestowitz | > Embrace and extending open standards is bad when Microsoft does it, but it's no less evil when Sun and IBM do it. But of course, ODF is a standard in name only. Is that why you do not speak out against what IBM and Sun have been doing to ODF? | Feb 28 21:13 |
| schestowitz | > If we are to build a connected world, we need be concerned about the quality of the connections. ODF and OOo are gargantuan bugs in the free information infrastructure. What is wrong with the concept of fixing them? And why is it necessary to attack those who work to achieve that goal? Those who kill the messengers bearing bug reports are the real enemies of ODF. | Feb 28 21:13 |
| schestowitz | > The tragicomic irony is that the only realistic hope of saving ODF 1.2 Strict (unextended) now lies with Microsoft's implementation of ODF 1.2. I suspect that may happen. Because of the glaring antitrust scrutiny, Microsoft was very careful not to extend ODF 1.1 when it implemented it. | Feb 28 21:13 |
| schestowitz | > Now IBM and Sun have presented Microsoft with the opportunity to create an interoperability barrier with OOo and clones by implementing only ODF 1.2 Strict. Can you imagine IBM and Sun hitting on Microsoft for not embracing and extending ODF 1.2 with the same extensions they inflict on ODF? | Feb 28 21:13 |
| bruce89 | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/02/task-pooper-could-revolutionize-gnome-desktop.ars | Feb 28 21:13 |
| schestowitz | > I'm glad I still have my sense of humor. Otherwise I would be crying right now. | Feb 28 21:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: "Task Pooper" could revolutionize GNOME desktop .::. Size~: 36.48 KB | Feb 28 21:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] ciao, @ oliviachow. I followed you for useful politics, not for name-dropping #canada #ndp | Feb 28 21:13 | |
| schestowitz | http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2010/02/25/pocketing-police/ | Feb 28 21:15 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Pocketing Police « DoctorMO's Blog .::. Size~: 28.45 KB | Feb 28 21:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Now following @jacklayton - until he starts dropping names. #canada #ndp | Feb 28 21:15 | |
| schestowitz | bruce89: heh. Just saw it 2 minutes ago! | Feb 28 21:15 |
| schestowitz | It's already in BN | Feb 28 21:15 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/27/sub-notebooks-with-arm/ | Feb 28 21:15 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Links 27/2/2010: Kolivas New Patches, Predictions for Sub-notebooks with ARM | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 152.66 KB | Feb 28 21:15 |
| bruce89 | mm, thought as much | Feb 28 21:15 |
| schestowitz | I have a big bunch coming | Feb 28 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Catching up, still | Feb 28 21:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Shoq .@graveetas Laser surgery to remove tatts is .. expensive, .. painful & time consuming. // WHO KNEW! That #obama tatt was a bad idea | Feb 28 21:16 | |
| schestowitz | There's this guy who keeps phoning asking for Web advice | Feb 28 21:16 |
| schestowitz | It's annoying cause he's trying to just find free labour | Feb 28 21:16 |
| Ender2070 | lol canadian tax software | Feb 28 21:16 |
| Ender2070 | they are all bs | Feb 28 21:16 |
| Ender2070 | $40 is a waste of money | Feb 28 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I'll do a partnership with him | Feb 28 21:16 |
| Ender2070 | ufile is like $20 and its web based, works in firefox | Feb 28 21:17 |
| schestowitz | he was a rugby player and some teammates of his want Web sites | Feb 28 21:17 |
| schestowitz | They'd pay handsomely | Feb 28 21:17 |
| Ender2070 | i think its free if you dont have a big return | Feb 28 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: don't buy blank CDs | Feb 28 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Don't buy HDD | Feb 28 21:17 |
| Ender2070 | :P | Feb 28 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Use pen and paper | Feb 28 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Many papers | Feb 28 21:17 |
| Ender2070 | yes I do buy them | Feb 28 21:17 |
| Ender2070 | buying blank cds funds the artists | Feb 28 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Put some nice encoded music on the papers | Feb 28 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Call it papyrus | Feb 28 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Like "piracy" | Feb 28 21:18 |
| Ender2070 | in canada we can download music legally, tax from the cds pays for it | Feb 28 21:18 |
| schestowitz | That's how illegal copying was done in the old day | Feb 28 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Encrypted musical notes | Feb 28 21:18 |
| Ender2070 | its only legal to leech though, the loophole doesnt work for uploading | Feb 28 21:18 |
| schestowitz | [21:18] <Ender2070> buying blank cds funds the artists | Feb 28 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Noi | Feb 28 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Misconception | Feb 28 21:19 |
| schestowitz | It funds recording people | Feb 28 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Not singers | Feb 28 21:19 |
| schestowitz | And esp. their managers | Feb 28 21:19 |
| Ender2070 | well it legalizes the downloading | Feb 28 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Not the fixed-wage staff | Feb 28 21:19 |
| schestowitz | "primium" | Feb 28 21:19 |
| schestowitz | *premium | Feb 28 21:19 |
| Ender2070 | i dont want to fight it and end up having downloading illegal | Feb 28 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Some propose this | Feb 28 21:19 |
| schestowitz | People put in a pot money for music | Feb 28 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Then distribute based on who's popular | Feb 28 21:20 |
| Ender2070 | they have the tax on mp3 players too I think | Feb 28 21:20 |
| schestowitz | And people can share copyrighted stuff | Feb 28 21:20 |
| schestowitz | I think RMS is among backers of this, still | Feb 28 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Some musicians are too | Feb 28 21:20 |
| schestowitz | ANd publishers | Feb 28 21:20 |
| Ender2070 | not bad | Feb 28 21:20 |
| schestowitz | THe old model is creaky | Feb 28 21:20 |
| schestowitz | It means payment based on performance | Feb 28 21:20 |
| Ender2070 | but it would just be corrupted into what we have | Feb 28 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 28 21:20 |
| Ender2070 | where it goes to recording studios | Feb 28 21:20 |
| schestowitz | People who fake popularity | Feb 28 21:20 |
| schestowitz | That's a concern | Feb 28 21:20 |
| Ender2070 | so i dont see it being any different | Feb 28 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Digital age forces change anyway | Feb 28 21:21 |
| schestowitz | I get CCed music | Feb 28 21:21 |
| Ender2070 | cds are reasonably priced now anyways | Feb 28 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Obscure singers, but still good | Feb 28 21:21 |
| schestowitz | unreasonably | Feb 28 21:21 |
| schestowitz | And they want to price-hike em | Feb 28 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Illusion of cost | Feb 28 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Tossing crappy tracks in, then saying how much you get per track | Feb 28 21:21 |
| schestowitz | But you probably just want a couple | Feb 28 21:22 |
| schestowitz | It's the same with some food | Feb 28 21:22 |
| schestowitz | They give you lobster with lettuce and chips around it | Feb 28 21:22 |
| Ender2070 | http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=007276&cid=SMD.499 | Feb 28 21:22 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Canada Computers - Storage Media > CD Media : RiDATA 52x 80 min 700MB CD-R Spindle 100-pack. .::. Size~: 52.31 KB | Feb 28 21:22 |
| schestowitz | You think you have lobster for a meal | Feb 28 21:22 |
| schestowitz | But you just have lots of 'commodity' foods, like drek tracks | Feb 28 21:22 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Feb 28 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Feb 28 21:23 |
| schestowitz | *These* CDs | Feb 28 21:23 |
| schestowitz | The ones with all 0s | Feb 28 21:23 |
| schestowitz | No 1s, or undefined | Feb 28 21:23 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Feb 28 21:23 |
| Ender2070 | yes but as long as it remains legal to download this will be cheaper than 1x CD @ $17.99 | Feb 28 21:24 |
| Ender2070 | especially when 98% of the CD is rubbish | Feb 28 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > I'm not sure you understand what Konqueror does. The approach is general, so that any text can be checked against any predefined website from any website the user happens to be browsing. An image is attached showing it in action while browsing Wikipedia to right click search the site Boycott Novell for | Feb 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > the name John Doer. I might make a similar search option for stallman, the FSF and GNU. These are sites I trust more than Google News and other fall backs. | Feb 28 21:25 |
| Ender2070 | and you can listen to that 1 good song on the radio for free too | Feb 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Feb 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | But erase it from mind at end | Feb 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > I do not understand how you do this with Iceweasel. Do you have a link explaining? I do not see a way to customize search engines in Iceweasel or to make them search only a single website. Do you use a custom script? Is it something you can add to BN itself to produce the right click "add keyword" menu item to Iceseasel? | Feb 28 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > I do not understand how you do this with Iceweasel. Do you have a link explaining? I do not see a way to customize search engines in Iceweasel or to make them search only a single website. Do you use a custom script? Is it something you can add to BN itself to produce the right click "add keyword" menu item to Iceseasel? | Feb 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | > I'm also not sure I've found the right CMS search. | Feb 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | > http://cms-search.waterandstone.com/ | Feb 28 21:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Feb 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | > Would not find information on ponzi at Boycott Novell. I'm not sure the place indexes Boycott Novell. It does find lots of stuff on gspca "drivers" though I'm not sure those are kernel modules. Have I looked in the wrong place? | Feb 28 21:26 |
| Ender2070 | hey why dont you make a boycott novell distro | Feb 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+ponzi&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Feb 28 21:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: site:boycottnovell.com ponzi - Google Search .::. Size~: 25.8 KB | Feb 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: it's just text | Feb 28 21:27 |
| schestowitz | I think the idea was brought up in 2008 though | Feb 28 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Just a MySQL DB on disk | Feb 28 21:27 |
| schestowitz | With minimal distro | Feb 28 21:27 |
| schestowitz | BN CMS DB is about half a gig | Feb 28 21:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?blogid=19&entry_id=57712 | Feb 28 21:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Technology Chronicles : Twitter reports 50 million tweets per day, 600 tweets per second .::. Size~: 54.5 KB | Feb 28 21:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?blogid=19&entry_id=57345 | Feb 28 21:30 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Technology Chronicles : Google and friends shipping 60,000 Android phones a day .::. Size~: 52.91 KB | Feb 28 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Not too shabby | Feb 28 21:30 |
| Ender2070 | android has some interesting apps | Feb 28 21:31 |
| Ender2070 | one can barcode scan items and show you places that sell it cheaper | Feb 28 21:32 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Feb 28 21:32 |
| bruce89 | ASBOmeter would be good if I wasn't in Scotland | Feb 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Gina Trapani now at Macworld.com???? http://www.pcworld.com/article/189953/what_is_google_wave.html?tk=rss_news | Feb 28 21:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: What Is Google Wave? - PCWorld .::. Size~: 65.37 KB | Feb 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | IDG | Feb 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100224/0244468285.shtml | Feb 28 21:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Guy Who Makes Simple Caller ID App For Android Forced To Shut Down Due To Patent Threat | Techdirt .::. Size~: 97.64 KB | Feb 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.threadabort.com/archive/2010/02/20/city-caller-id-has-been-sued-by-cequint.aspx?mp=1 | Feb 28 21:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: City Caller ID is already patented by another company .::. Size~: 11.15 KB | Feb 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Second time | Feb 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | After gimp plugin | Feb 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: ^^^ | Feb 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/189985/walmart_buys_web_video_company_vudu.html?tk=rss_news | Feb 28 21:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Wal-Mart Buys Web Video Company Vudu - PCWorld .::. Size~: 61.01 KB | Feb 28 21:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/190024/browser_use.html?tk=rss_news | Feb 28 21:35 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google Chrome Chips Away at Internet Explorer - PCWorld .::. Size~: 64.25 KB | Feb 28 21:35 |
| schestowitz | And they don't cite NetApps for a change | Feb 28 21:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/190089/The_Truth_About_Twitters_50_Million_Daily_Tweets_.html?tk=rss_news | Feb 28 21:38 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: The Truth About Twitter's 50 Million Daily Tweets - PCWorld .::. Size~: 71.58 KB | Feb 28 21:38 |
| schestowitz | They're junk | Feb 28 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Haha. | Feb 28 21:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/190112/nexus_one_screen_gorgeous_with_issues.html?tk=rss_news | Feb 28 21:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Nexus One's Screen is Gorgeous, But With Issues - PCWorld .::. Size~: 70.17 KB | Feb 28 21:39 |
| schestowitz | This person thinks that screen=# of bits | Feb 28 21:40 |
| zoobab | pong | Feb 28 21:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/190273/britain_all_atweet_over_twitter_phishing_attack.html?tk=rss_news | Feb 28 21:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Britain All Atweet Over Twitter Phishing Attack - PCWorld .::. Size~: 64.35 KB | Feb 28 21:49 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: see the above | Feb 28 21:49 |
| schestowitz | I'll try to do a post about it tomorrow | Feb 28 21:49 |
| schestowitz | It's like that GIMPs plug-in, death by swpats | Feb 28 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Good example for future reference | Feb 28 21:50 |
| schestowitz | INNOVA~1 | Feb 28 21:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/190278/twitter_phishing_scam_blame_browsers_and_users.html?tk=rss_news | Feb 28 21:51 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Twitter Phishing Scam: Blame Browsers and Users - PCWorld .::. Size~: 69.45 KB | Feb 28 21:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin yes it worked for me, bottom right bar. Only some of it for certain geographic areas. | Feb 28 21:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] CNN talks about the unimportant, calling it unimportant: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/02/19/tiger.woods.internet.reaction/index.html | Feb 28 22:07 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Tiger's online buzz falls short of expectations - CNN.com .::. Size~: 50.06 KB | Feb 28 22:07 |
| schestowitz | KDE has some nice new search features I ought to try........ | Feb 28 22:08 |
| schestowitz | > KDE is like that. The feature has survived the transition to the 4.x branch | Feb 28 22:08 |
| schestowitz | > and the version of Konqueror in Debian testing has even more searches to | Feb 28 22:08 |
| schestowitz | > chose from, duplicate and customize. This saves a lot of time. | Feb 28 22:09 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 28 22:09 |
| schestowitz | > I'm not sure if the default search engine list is a Debian or KDE thing but it | Feb 28 22:09 |
| schestowitz | > is excellent. Google, Google Groups, Wikipedia and a few others make the | Feb 28 22:09 |
| schestowitz | > default list. Other Google searches, Altevist, opendirectory and the CIA | Feb 28 22:09 |
| schestowitz | > factbook make the extended choice list. Bing, MSN, Live, Yahoo are in | Feb 28 22:09 |
| schestowitz | > neither list but can be added by those inclined to such things. | Feb 28 22:09 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Salesman Arthur Daley Cameron is on the box again would you buy a new government from him? | Feb 28 22:12 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/slideshow/336955/build_better_bobsled_/ | Feb 28 22:14 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] off for a while. reading "ender in exile"... | Feb 28 22:17 | |
| schestowitz | Intel PR/propaganda: http://www.techworld.com.au/article/337291/intel_spearheading_investment_future_us_tech?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Feb 28 22:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Intel spearheading investment in future of US tech - America Alliance, Intel, job market - Techworld .::. Size~: 50.96 KB | Feb 28 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Costing the customers a lot of money with its crimes | Feb 28 22:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/22/knitted-frog-dissect.html | Feb 28 22:21 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Knitted frog dissection Boing Boing .::. Size~: 30.36 KB | Feb 28 22:21 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I only check my weight about once a year (by choice), so here is a funny one to come across: http://ur1.ca/nwwo | Feb 28 22:27 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Body scale with affirmations instead of numbers Boing Boing .::. Size~: 57.49 KB | Feb 28 22:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Roy, try checking your weight once a year in ten years time and see how that works, and each 10 afterwards. | Feb 28 22:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera heh. I might do that. | Feb 28 22:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Here is a fascinating list of landings on other planets; so many have crashed or never returned. http://ur1.ca/nwxo | Feb 28 22:38 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Landings on other planets - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 105.8 KB | Feb 28 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | So the Russians were first to reach the moon. Luna 2... | Feb 28 22:39 |
| schestowitz | People change definition based on their geography... like "first computer" and "first flight" | Feb 28 22:39 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz none of us when we are young ever think we will be a fat bastard when older :) | Feb 28 22:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera maybe lag? | Feb 28 22:42 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/science-news/space/37214-australia-strengthens-its-venture-into-space | Feb 28 22:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/science-news/health/37216-infrared-scanning-system-may-detect-skin-cancer | Feb 28 22:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ive been sloppy.....never realized that Mupen64 was a Mono app. Time to remove it. #mono | Feb 28 22:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin I've been sloppy.....never realized that Mupen64 was a Mono app. Time to remove it. #mono | Feb 28 22:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] but why can a person receive a tweet and reply. then in the stream the reply comes before the tweet? | Feb 28 22:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] How I noticed Mupen64 depended on Mono: http://www.twitpic.com/ypnc9 ;) #mono - you know what you can do with the "gift to the world" | Feb 28 22:48 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: How to tell if you have Mono on your system #mono - Please be... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.96 KB | Feb 28 22:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] mono updates coming through in ubuntu, how long can canonical ignore the bad feeling they generate? | Feb 28 22:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera I think if the bad feeling spills into the "mainstream" userbase. Having said that a Mono removal would hardly cripple Canonical | Feb 28 22:52 | |
| schestowitz | http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/02/26/m-loses-xp-downgrade-lawsuit/ | Feb 28 22:52 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: M$ Loses XP downgrade lawsuit at Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 23.2 KB | Feb 28 22:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera So I think they will merely wait and see which way the wind blows. If its too unpopular they can remove and move on. | Feb 28 22:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin so how do we look at canonical now? as i suspect just another business or can you tell me they have values? | Feb 28 22:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Horay! Gold for the Canadian Men's Olympic team. Now that all the distractions are over, I can get some work done! | Feb 28 23:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera IMO Canonical will do what it believes is best for its product and what its userbase wants. I think being realistic if Canonical | Feb 28 23:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Buying ebooks will get you a complete customer service runaround http://tamaranth.livejournal.com/706216.html #amazonfail | Feb 28 23:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera or any Linux distro wants to offer itself as a viable alternative to the masses, it will have to engage MS et al in a similar way | Feb 28 23:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera thats why I think the revenue streams of Canonical are a good idea. You are not forced into them, but it helps Canonical compete. | Feb 28 23:22 | |
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| bruce89 | forcing people to use them...sounds fun | Feb 28 23:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] If you use AdSense, try pushing people off IE for money. http://explorerdestroyer.com/ | Feb 28 23:26 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Explorer Destroyer - Switch to Firefox, Make money from Adsense Referral .::. Size~: 11.71 KB | Feb 28 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Fun like brushing the tongue with a razor blade | Feb 28 23:26 |
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| MinceR | the parts i like the most about explorerdestroyer are the "click this button to sign up: *big empty space*" deals | Feb 28 23:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin you say. we are forced into teen competition game for a few, i look forward to cooperation as natural for the benefit of the many | Feb 28 23:35 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWK5uxMBeJM | Feb 28 23:37 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: YouTube- Exposed to Hell by 5th Grader .::. Size~: 141.57 KB | Feb 28 23:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera I would not like to second guess Canonical, however without ideas such as Ubuntu One or online music stores, how would | Feb 28 23:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera they manage to compete or even stay in business? If Canonical could live off praise then it would be a wealthy company... | Feb 28 23:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera I think concessions will have to be made if the Windows locked in masses are to be freed from MS Monopoly | Feb 28 23:39 | |
| sebsebseb | Feb 28 23:39 | |
| sebsebseb | Feb 28 23:39 | |
| MinceR | Feb 28 23:39 | |
| bruce89 | come on, at least use a non-breaking space | Feb 28 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: a non-breaking space? | Feb 28 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | Feb 28 23:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] The biggest problem for cooperation is some shite saying another is getting something for free and does not care. | Feb 28 23:40 | |
| bruce89 | Feb 28 23:40 | |
| bruce89 | like that | Feb 28 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: looks the same to me | Feb 28 23:40 |
| bruce89 | it's totally different in a variable width font | Feb 28 23:40 |
| sebsebseb | Feb 28 23:40 | |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: | Feb 28 23:40 |
| MinceR | bruce89: | Feb 28 23:41 |
| cubezzz | what's with the blank lines? :) | Feb 28 23:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Biggest complaint about the Olympics - Don Cherry wasn't the hockey commentator. | Feb 28 23:41 | |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: bordedom/fun/both | Feb 28 23:41 |
| MinceR | i just gave bruce89 a no-break space | Feb 28 23:41 |
| MinceR | (had to search gucharmap for it) | Feb 28 23:41 |
| bruce89 | as did I | Feb 28 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | been at my computer again, for an hour or so, just over something like that | Feb 28 23:42 |
| cubezzz | Feb 28 23:42 | |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: öäöåöåöäöåööäöåöåöåööäöåöåöäöåööåöåöåöäöåöåöÖäöåöåöäööäåöåöäöäöåöåööäöåöåöäö | Feb 28 23:43 |
| MinceR | ë | Feb 28 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: £ | Feb 28 23:43 |
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| sebsebseb | cubezzz: | Feb 28 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: | Feb 28 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Hi | Feb 28 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | evening | Feb 28 23:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] No DL found, but major sorting of bedroom done. FLOOR! Lots of stuff thrown away by 5-Year Rule: if not used in last 5 yrs, out it goes. | Feb 28 23:45 | |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: evening | Feb 28 23:46 |
| bruce89 | flipping hell, he's office trolley has floated into the flume! | Feb 28 23:48 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: What? | Feb 28 23:48 |
| MinceR | :D | Feb 28 23:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin ref your concessions post. we will have to watch them like rats in a cheese factory and for the obvious reason | Feb 28 23:49 | |
| MinceR | the "ffi" ligature in DejaVu Sans Mono is funny | Feb 28 23:49 |
| MinceR | it looks just like "ffi" written in Courier | Feb 28 23:49 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Something about a font I assume | Feb 28 23:49 |
| MinceR | (or maybe Konsole took that ligature from another font) | Feb 28 23:49 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yep your on about fonts for some reason/s | Feb 28 23:49 |
| MinceR | well, these ligatures make little sense in monospaced fonts :) | Feb 28 23:49 |
| bruce89 | of course | Feb 28 23:50 |
| bruce89 | that's why I did it | Feb 28 23:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Lucid 10.04 has a brain training "game" thats Mono dependent btw..."great loss" there when Mono gets removed! ... thanks but no thanks. | Feb 28 23:50 | |
| bruce89 | №ℴ℉℡ⅰ | Feb 28 23:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera I think that would be true of any company and I think maybe why when Microsoft wasn't it ended up like it is today. | Feb 28 23:51 | |
| schestowitz | Heh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZIhRJhylqs | Feb 28 23:57 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IBM saves money by paying workers less http://www.itwire.com/it-people-news/enterprise/37223-will-ibm-offshore-800-jobs | Feb 28 23:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin by _default_? | Feb 28 23:58 | |
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