IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 8th, 2010

_goblin	I get alot of Amiga PD from the newsgroups, that and old scene music from the Amiga demoscene.	Mar 08 00:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] About to record in the Severed Fifth studio - join me live at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/severed-fifth-live-in-the-studio		Mar 08 00:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Ubuntu 10.04 alpha 3 installed -and of course mono junkware purged-. And yes!! It boot in less than 5 seconds!!		Mar 08 00:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, must go to bed. Shame, I was having a very interesting debate over on Openbytes! Hopefully back on Monday evening...take care all.		Mar 08 00:02
_goblin	Thats me done.	Mar 08 00:02
_goblin	Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.	Mar 08 00:02
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schestowitz	This one is amusing: Ever since the Palm Pre was announced for a premier on Sprint last year, speculation has raged about when this contender for the smartphone crown would show up on the technologically compatible Verizon network. With the Palm Pre Plus and Pixi Plus, announced in January, a souped up arsenal of WebOS phones finally arrive on the Big Red Carrier. Was it worth the wait?	Mar 08 00:10
schestowitz	Monty Python inspired: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7yAEh-PU4M	Mar 08 00:14
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Omar87	schestowitz, don't you think the GNU Foundation should disallow mono-based stuff from being published under GPL?	Mar 08 00:20
Omar87	Sorry, I mean the Free Software Foundation.	Mar 08 00:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Ubuntu 10.04 alpha 3 installed -and of course mono junkware purged-. And yes!! It boots in less than 5 seconds!!		Mar 08 00:22
schestowitz	Omar87: that would disable freedom	Mar 08 00:23
schestowitz	OT: On trolls who talk about souls...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77XBZHJcoK4	Mar 08 00:23
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Omar87	schestowitz, so, what do you think can we do to stop the Mono plague from spreading?	Mar 08 00:24
Omar87	I mean, really, there has to be a way.	Mar 08 00:25
ender2070	what about forking it and breaking compatibility with ms	Mar 08 00:25
oiaohm	Mono is already no compatible with MS implementation.	Mar 08 00:28
ender2070	oh you're quite wrong about that	Mar 08 00:28
ender2070	they slowly copy them	Mar 08 00:29
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8x1_q9wg58	Mar 08 00:29
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ender2070	anything missing will end up in mono given enough time	Mar 08 00:29
oiaohm	Mono follows the bytecode standard published by MS.	Mar 08 00:29
schestowitz	ender2070: that would get you sued	Mar 08 00:29
schestowitz	Deviating from ECMA	Mar 08 00:29
oiaohm	You know MS and published standards ender2070	Mar 08 00:29
oiaohm	You can 100 percent bet MS has altered away from it somewhere.	Mar 08 00:29
ender2070	couldn't you focus on ECMA and "extend" it ourself ?	Mar 08 00:29
oiaohm	Like mono forbids calling native windows dlls	Mar 08 00:30
oiaohm	Under Linux	Mar 08 00:30
oiaohm	As a lot of .net applications do.	Mar 08 00:30
ender2070	if you can't deviate from ECMA then its not even worth using	Mar 08 00:30
ender2070	even if your a windows troll	Mar 08 00:30
oiaohm	No standard body in history has MS fully respected.	Mar 08 00:31
ender2070	i know	Mar 08 00:31
oiaohm	They have to be pulled kicking and screaming to implement standards.	Mar 08 00:31
ender2070	the current mono would be illegal then wouldn't it?	Mar 08 00:31
oiaohm	Even ones they create themselves	Mar 08 00:31
ender2070	i KNOW they deviate from ECMA	Mar 08 00:31
oiaohm	Look closer	Mar 08 00:31
ender2070	they don't offer EMCA-only source code either	Mar 08 00:31
oiaohm	The deviate sections are MIT licence.	Mar 08 00:32
oiaohm	Not GPL	Mar 08 00:32
ender2070	its all MIT	Mar 08 00:32
ender2070	they removed all gpl code	Mar 08 00:32
oiaohm	Not all	Mar 08 00:32
oiaohm	Sections of the JIT are still GPL	Mar 08 00:32
ender2070	afaik they did in december or january	Mar 08 00:32
oiaohm	I guess they had to so they could be compadible with items like iphones	Mar 08 00:33
ender2070	its LGPL and MIT only	Mar 08 00:33
oiaohm	So piece by peice they are removing all patent protection.	Mar 08 00:34
ender2070	what patent protection did they have?	Mar 08 00:35
oiaohm	Now all they have to change are the runtimes.	Mar 08 00:35
oiaohm	LGPL and GPL even V2 has patent protection. Ok not directly out right stated like GPLv3 but if GPL sections of mono were attacked Novell would be pulled in for distributing it.	Mar 08 00:36
ender2070	ohhh	Mar 08 00:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @xtarwars: #gnu Ubisoft DRM Authentication Servers Go Down http://ur1.ca/opvt		Mar 08 00:37
phIRCe-BNc	Title: The Escapist : News : Ubisoft DRM Authentication Servers Go Down .::. Size~: 36.32 KB	Mar 08 00:38
oiaohm	GPL licence does not allow distribution hidding possible restrictions. ender2070	Mar 08 00:38
ender2070	it would make sense then to remove their liability	Mar 08 00:38
oiaohm	Once Novell liability is removed MS can attack.	Mar 08 00:38
ender2070	in case the community promise falls short	Mar 08 00:38
bruce89	that was bound to happen	Mar 08 00:39
ender2070	its been shown that the community promise isn't valid anyways	Mar 08 00:39
ender2070	fsf debunked it shortly after announced, iirc	Mar 08 00:39
ender2070	i remember miguel said there would be a EMCA compliant only version of Mono	Mar 08 00:40
ender2070	which doesnt seem to exist	Mar 08 00:40
ender2070	other than distros seperating things themselves	Mar 08 00:40
oiaohm	Also the other thing about MIT	Mar 08 00:40
oiaohm	Is that ms can use the Mono code internally and never tell anyone.	Mar 08 00:41
oiaohm	There are very few reason to switch from LGPL to MIT	Mar 08 00:41
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bruce89	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8548190.stm	Mar 08 00:42
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bruce89	damned BBC titles, it's "4/5 of people say Internet access is a fundemental human right"	Mar 08 00:43
ender2070	that was my first conclusion	Mar 08 00:44
ender2070	ms would get free c# bugfixes	Mar 08 00:44
oiaohm	Biggest reason I know of is consoles ender2070	Mar 08 00:48
ender2070	consoles?	Mar 08 00:48
oiaohm	Ie consoles that don't allow the publishing of source code running on them.	Mar 08 00:48
ender2070	ohhhh	Mar 08 00:49
ender2070	xbox	Mar 08 00:49
oiaohm	Wii	Mar 08 00:49
DaemonFC	http://news.google.com/news?q=TERROR~1	Mar 08 00:49
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ender2070	not wii	Mar 08 00:49
ender2070	xbox	Mar 08 00:49
DaemonFC	hehe	Mar 08 00:49
oiaohm	ender2070: nitendo wii sdk forbids it.	Mar 08 00:49
oiaohm	As well	Mar 08 00:49
ender2070	yeah	Mar 08 00:49
ender2070	but they wouldn't be able to jerk each other off if its not a msft product	Mar 08 00:49
ender2070	they want mono in the xbox arcade I bet	Mar 08 00:50
ender2070	people already use C# to code for xbox arcade	Mar 08 00:50
oiaohm	scummvm open source gpl engine was force to be removed from wii due to the restriction.	Mar 08 00:50
oiaohm	You have to pay yearly for the right to run your own C# programs on the xbox	Mar 08 00:50
oiaohm	Open source is losing the war on consoles. It is largely locked out.	Mar 08 00:51
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schestowitz	This is priceless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iumopvEbK3w	Mar 08 00:54
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oiaohm	Just had the insanity turn up again. Lets run a windows shell on Linux using wine and run all windows applications that has to be more secuire. Yep some people are nuts.	Mar 08 00:56
ender2070	ROFL	Mar 08 00:56
ender2070	who said that?	Mar 08 00:56
oiaohm	http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=7876	Mar 08 00:57
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oiaohm	Yes the oiaohm there ripping it him is me. ender2070	Mar 08 00:57
oiaohm	I also had the fun of having to point out to a Mac OS in winehq running a filemanager in wine to do file managerment was not exactly wise.	Mar 08 00:58
oiaohm	Logic seams to be in short supply recently.	Mar 08 00:59
schestowitz	LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akAsD4uQxYY	Mar 08 00:59
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oiaohm	http://vimeo.com/9865011 Now this is impressive	Mar 08 01:01
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ender2070	lol alex jones	Mar 08 01:02
ender2070	oiahm - are you sure gullible jones isn't a troll?	Mar 08 01:02
oiaohm	He did trully try doing it.	Mar 08 01:03
oiaohm	That is another post alone ender2070	Mar 08 01:03
oiaohm	blackbox shell replacement by the way ender2070	Mar 08 01:04
oiaohm	A normal troll would have tried running MS shell then wonder then complaining that it toasted their system.	Mar 08 01:05
oiaohm	Also gullible jones is not new the forums either. ender2070	Mar 08 01:06
oiaohm	Sad to say its a nick name that person earnt.	Mar 08 01:07
ender2070	says he has 4 posts	Mar 08 01:11
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oiaohm	You are looking for a jones char from about 3 years back ender2070	Mar 08 01:11
oiaohm	his writing style is a dead give away. Bit like mine ender2070	Mar 08 01:12
ender2070	ohhhh	Mar 08 01:12
ender2070	nymshifting ?	Mar 08 01:12
ender2070	lol @ apparmor	Mar 08 01:13
ender2070	SELinux > apparmor	Mar 08 01:13
oiaohm	He is about the only one that uses () in subjects	Mar 08 01:13
oiaohm	Also tiles the ideas with crazy even for possiable sane ideas.	Mar 08 01:13
oiaohm	And he eart the title of gullible for falling for rm -rf command.	Mar 08 01:14
oiaohm	At least he is true to his word that he would take the name because he deserved it.	Mar 08 01:15
oiaohm	Sadly lot of ubuntu users think apparmor is ok.	Mar 08 01:15
bruce89	it's Red Hat, it must be evil	Mar 08 01:17
bruce89	with regard SELinux and PackageKit	Mar 08 01:17
oiaohm	Selinux is not just redhat.	Mar 08 01:19
oiaohm	Its USA NSA as well.	Mar 08 01:19
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bruce89	evil back doors!!!	Mar 08 01:20
schestowitz	War in Iraq analogy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIEecTemChQ	Mar 08 01:22
phIRCe-BNc	Title: YouTube- Why Do Conservatives Hate France? .::. Size~: 155.67 KB	Mar 08 01:22
schestowitz	oiaohm: Blender?	Mar 08 01:22
schestowitz	[The vimeo viz]	Mar 08 01:22
oiaohm	The vimeo.com is blender	Mar 08 01:22
schestowitz	Cool1	Mar 08 01:22
oiaohm	There is no overlap in those models.	Mar 08 01:23
oiaohm	So in theory you could make them.	Mar 08 01:23
ender2070	redhat isnt eil	Mar 08 01:25
ender2070	evil	Mar 08 01:25
oiaohm	Best way to prevent back doors is have you code peer reviewed.	Mar 08 01:25
oiaohm	Even NSA knows this.	Mar 08 01:26
ender2070	+1	Mar 08 01:26
cubezzz	or write it yourself :)	Mar 08 01:26
oiaohm	No write it yourself you can still screw up.	Mar 08 01:26
ender2070	yes	Mar 08 01:26
oiaohm	Peer reviewing finds lots of bugs you will miss.	Mar 08 01:26
cubezzz	you can do both	Mar 08 01:26
ender2070	you have to do both	Mar 08 01:26
oiaohm	Really knowing how to review code is more important than writing from a secuirty point of view.	Mar 08 01:27
cubezzz	I had more trouble with Fedora 12 yesterday	Mar 08 01:27
cubezzz	but I figured it out	Mar 08 01:27
cubezzz	2.4 and 2.6 is a lot different	Mar 08 01:27
ender2070	?	Mar 08 01:27
cubezzz	it didn't handle 2 video cards correctly	Mar 08 01:28
cubezzz	not without hand adjusting xorg.conf	Mar 08 01:28
ender2070	what is 2.4 and 2.6	Mar 08 01:28
cubezzz	the kernel dude :)	Mar 08 01:28
ender2070	why are you using 2.4 in F12	Mar 08 01:28
cubezzz	I'm not	Mar 08 01:28
cubezzz	I was just remarking 2.4 and 2.6 is a lot different :)	Mar 08 01:29
ender2070	what does the kernel have to do with your problem though	Mar 08 01:29
cubezzz	my problems were with Fedora 12	Mar 08 01:29
cubezzz	and video capture and mplayer	Mar 08 01:29
oiaohm	You will get to know cubezzz ender2070 he/she is minorlly confusing at times.	Mar 08 01:29
bruce89	for the avoidance of doubt, I was playing the part of a plonker	Mar 08 01:29
ender2070	ohhh ADHD	Mar 08 01:29
oiaohm	At least 1 videocard works cubezzz	Mar 08 01:32
oiaohm	Most of the time without touching configs	Mar 08 01:32
cubezzz	I'm sure it does	Mar 08 01:32
oiaohm	I do know a laptop that is fun.	Mar 08 01:32
cubezzz	this tyan K7X has on board ati video	Mar 08 01:32
oiaohm	Keep fialing to find the LCD screen.	Mar 08 01:32
cubezzz	plus it has an AIW 9600 card	Mar 08 01:32
oiaohm	Instead defaults the video out port	Mar 08 01:33
cubezzz	the on board video was too slow	Mar 08 01:33
cubezzz	oiaohm, I like toughbooks for laptop	Mar 08 01:33
cubezzz	things I can easily do with older Linux seem harder with newer Linux	Mar 08 01:34
cubezzz	plus the tendency of adding stuff to the motherboard doesn't help	Mar 08 01:35
oiaohm	Case of X11 yes its getting harder before it gets simpler.	Mar 08 01:35
ender2070	yo	Mar 08 01:35
ender2070	get some new hardware	Mar 08 01:35
oiaohm	On the fly configuration will come to X11 cubezzz	Mar 08 01:35
cubezzz	my older hardware works fine, but this is for a customer	Mar 08 01:36
cubezzz	he wants composite video in on the tv tuner	Mar 08 01:37
cubezzz	the newer cards don't seem to have that	Mar 08 01:37
cubezzz	part of his business is video transfer from Beta, VHS, etc etc	Mar 08 01:37
ender2070	ahhhh	Mar 08 01:37
cubezzz	so I looked at all the tv tuner cards	Mar 08 01:38
cubezzz	I ended up using an old card I had	Mar 08 01:38
cubezzz	it was an interesting project, but a little frustrating	Mar 08 01:39
ender2070	yeah I bet	Mar 08 01:39
ender2070	you actually get to install linux for customers?	Mar 08 01:39
cubezzz	yes	Mar 08 01:40
cubezzz	fairly often in fact	Mar 08 01:40
ender2070	thats awesome	Mar 08 01:40
ender2070	what kind of job	Mar 08 01:40
cubezzz	plus I get paid too! :)	Mar 08 01:40
cubezzz	well this guy is an old audio engineer from CBC	Mar 08 01:40
cubezzz	so I get to do tons of interesting things	Mar 08 01:40
ender2070	oh really	Mar 08 01:41
cubezzz	my other customers are dual boot mostly on laptops	Mar 08 01:41
ender2070	you should ask him about communists in CBC	Mar 08 01:41
cubezzz	the subject has come up before	Mar 08 01:41
ender2070	he would probably confirm they are there	Mar 08 01:41
cubezzz	I myself don't work for CBC though	Mar 08 01:41
ender2070	i've heard of an ex-kgb guy who went to work there and said there was more communists in the CBC than in USSR	Mar 08 01:42
ender2070	lol	Mar 08 01:42
cubezzz	well someone should tell him there's no USSR any more :)	Mar 08 01:42
ender2070	this was in the 80s	Mar 08 01:42
cubezzz	ah :)	Mar 08 01:42
cubezzz	he's got these huge Studer reel-to-reel jobs in the basement	Mar 08 01:42
ender2070	nice	Mar 08 01:43
ender2070	do you fix pc's for people?	Mar 08 01:43
cubezzz	sometimes yeah	Mar 08 01:43
ender2070	whats your job title	Mar 08 01:43
ender2070	i used to be a pc repair technician	Mar 08 01:43
cubezzz	Computer Consultant :)	Mar 08 01:43
ender2070	same shit	Mar 08 01:44
ender2070	lol	Mar 08 01:44
cubezzz	well, I'm not always fixing PCs though	Mar 08 01:44
ender2070	self employed or for someone else?	Mar 08 01:44
cubezzz	self employed	Mar 08 01:44
ender2070	cool stuff :)	Mar 08 01:44
cubezzz	since 1990	Mar 08 01:44
ender2070	making lots of money?	Mar 08 01:45
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cubezzz	yeah things seem to be picking up again	Mar 08 01:45
ender2070	good to hear	Mar 08 01:45
cubezzz	it is nice to do Linux jobs	Mar 08 01:46
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ender2070	whats your business role	Mar 08 01:46
cubezzz	CBC isn't Linux hostile, but there are not Linux lovers either	Mar 08 01:46
ender2070	just any computer related task a customer needs?	Mar 08 01:47
tessier__	ender2070: What is CBC?	Mar 08 01:47
ender2070	tessier___ - Canada's BBC	Mar 08 01:47
cubezzz	ender2070, lately it's been going in and making suggestions then the customer decides to go ahead	Mar 08 01:48
cubezzz	consultant stuff	Mar 08 01:48
cubezzz	but yeah, basically anything computer related	Mar 08 01:48
cubezzz	I always try to advocate dual boot or Linux though	Mar 08 01:49
DaemonFC	Yeah, are they one of the networks that wastes Canadian tax money coming up with B movies to satisfy Canadian Content laws?	Mar 08 01:49
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 08 01:49
cubezzz	Crown Corporation DaemonFC	Mar 08 01:49
cubezzz	basically part of the government	Mar 08 01:49
cubezzz	CTV is Linux hostile though	Mar 08 01:50
DaemonFC	I wonder if the Mafiaa props up some Canadian musicians even at a loss, so that the government doesn't bitch about the rest of the content they air	Mar 08 01:50
DaemonFC	could explain some of them	Mar 08 01:50
*DaemonFC ducks		Mar 08 01:50
cubezzz	one day I had to transfer old Tommy Hunter shows to digital :)	Mar 08 01:51
ender2070	tax on our blank media pays canadian musicians	Mar 08 01:54
ender2070	CBC creates a lot of useful content	Mar 08 01:54
ender2070	not just B movies	Mar 08 01:54
ender2070	you should watch one of their documentaries	Mar 08 01:55
ender2070	"the disappearing male:	Mar 08 01:55
ender2070	"the disappearing male"	Mar 08 01:55
DaemonFC	I'd probably import blank media if I lived in Canada	Mar 08 01:55
DaemonFC	even if it cost more to do that	Mar 08 01:55
ender2070	lol	Mar 08 01:55
ender2070	why	Mar 08 01:55
ender2070	you're stupid?	Mar 08 01:55
DaemonFC	to avoid paying the Mafiaa	Mar 08 01:55
ender2070	it legalizes downloading	Mar 08 01:55
DaemonFC	so?	Mar 08 01:55
DaemonFC	I'd download anyway	Mar 08 01:55
DaemonFC	how do they know I didn't buy my blanks at Canadian Walmart	Mar 08 01:56
DaemonFC	lol	Mar 08 01:56
ender2070	Canadian Walmart pays the levy	Mar 08 01:56
DaemonFC	good for Canadian Walmart	Mar 08 01:56
ender2070	whats cheaper	Mar 08 01:56
DaemonFC	does Newegg?	Mar 08 01:56
ender2070	$17.99 for the latest CD, or http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=007276&cid=SMD.499	Mar 08 01:56
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Canada Computers - Storage Media > CD Media : RiDATA 52x 80 min 700MB CD-R Spindle 100-pack. .::. Size~: 52.31 KB	Mar 08 01:56
ender2070	$23.99 for 100	Mar 08 01:57
DaemonFC	let me crunch some numbers	Mar 08 01:57
ender2070	as long as you dont upload	Mar 08 01:57
ender2070	leech-only	Mar 08 01:58
DaemonFC	That's $23.36 USD per 100 vs. $15.99 per 100	Mar 08 01:58
DaemonFC	I think I'll stay with the $15.99 100 pack	Mar 08 01:58
ender2070	yeah but you're breakin the law	Mar 08 01:58
DaemonFC	fuck em	Mar 08 01:58
DaemonFC	I don't actually do it that much	Mar 08 01:59
ender2070	lol	Mar 08 01:59
DaemonFC	it's usually so cheap to buy a used CD, it's not worth finding a torrent	Mar 08 02:00
ender2070	i don't either, music sucks these days	Mar 08 02:00
ender2070	and	Mar 08 02:00
ender2070	not many do flac rips	Mar 08 02:00
DaemonFC	I have a standing policy to never buy a new CD	Mar 08 02:00
ender2070	i buy used cds too	Mar 08 02:00
DaemonFC	if I have to buy it new, I'll find FLAC rips	Mar 08 02:00
ender2070	i've personally donated money to one of my favorite artists	Mar 08 02:00
ender2070	weird al yankovic	Mar 08 02:00
DaemonFC	the least you can do if you want to be legal, is deny them a new sale while there's thousands of used copies out there	Mar 08 02:01
DaemonFC	right? :)	Mar 08 02:01
ender2070	or borrow from the library?	Mar 08 02:01
ender2070	LOL	Mar 08 02:01
DaemonFC	done that	Mar 08 02:01
DaemonFC	FLAC rips from the libraries collection	Mar 08 02:02
DaemonFC	who can prove that, right?	Mar 08 02:02
ender2070	kind of hard	Mar 08 02:02
DaemonFC	like making DVD rips from the $1 redbox rentals	Mar 08 02:02
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 08 02:03
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: I like those two new themes a bit more, after trying in vm again, altough by default the window buttons should be on the right really, but of course.	Mar 08 02:07
ender2070	my library has DVDs	Mar 08 02:07
ender2070	they always suck though, lol	Mar 08 02:07
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #linux journal RD: @schestowitz: Go vote for your distro... http://ur1.ca/opc3		Mar 08 02:07
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Which Linux distribution do you use most frequently? \| Linux Journal .::. Size~: 101.31 KB	Mar 08 02:07
cubezzz	Fedora	Mar 08 02:07
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Mandriva at the moment	Mar 08 02:08
oiaohm	Debian cross breed	Mar 08 02:08
sebsebseb	oiaohm: cross breed?	Mar 08 02:08
oiaohm	Part stable part testing and part expermental.	Mar 08 02:08
oiaohm	Yes it works	Mar 08 02:09
sebsebseb	oiaohm: a mix of those why?	Mar 08 02:09
oiaohm	I can get newer applications from expermental	Mar 08 02:09
oiaohm	I can use testing applications that are always reasoanble stable.	Mar 08 02:10
oiaohm	And when all else goes wrong I can run home to stable.	Mar 08 02:10
oiaohm	I also do have distributions in openvz as well.	Mar 08 02:10
oiaohm	Just pitty X11 does not work well from there.	Mar 08 02:11
ender2070	<--- Fedora	Mar 08 02:16
cubezzz	Fedora wins! Flawless Victory!	Mar 08 02:17
ender2070	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dVNtRmv_Jk	Mar 08 02:23
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cubezzz	I've never played World of Warcraft	Mar 08 02:24
ender2070	apparently its demonic	Mar 08 02:25
ender2070	and leads to witchcraft	Mar 08 02:25
DaemonFC	ender2070, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjl54v1irbs	Mar 08 02:26
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DaemonFC	like that?	Mar 08 02:26
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] To all wonderful and gorgeous women out there, Happy women's day! Without you our life won't be full :-) #womensday . thx 4 ur love mom :-)		Mar 08 02:27
oiaohm	Personally my prefered distributon would be debian slackware and fedora running as 1. Just cannot do it at this time.	Mar 08 02:28
DaemonFC	ender2070, I have an impersonation of that woman that I use to mock Christians	Mar 08 02:29
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 08 02:29
DaemonFC	GRAWWWWWWWW!!!!! CLEETUS!!!! DARK SIDED!!!!	Mar 08 02:32
DaemonFC	actually, you pronounce "s" as "sh	Mar 08 02:32
DaemonFC	so more like cleetush, dark shided!!!!	Mar 08 02:33
DaemonFC	all about the moonsh! and the godsh! and the "tarah" "cord" readin's, it'sh all so "da/ork" "shided"!!!!!!	Mar 08 02:34
DaemonFC	*readin'sh that is	Mar 08 02:34
DaemonFC	like your missing some teeth I guess	Mar 08 02:35
DaemonFC	and shouting GRAAAAAAAAWWWWW!!!! is important	Mar 08 02:35
DaemonFC	before you go on a tear like that	Mar 08 02:35
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The #Scientology cult tries to take over #Australia and #fails http://ur1.ca/oq7c #douchebags #anonymous		Mar 08 02:47
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ender2070	this guy isn't a business type sellout? http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/03/07/open-source-business-conference-5-trends-worth-watching/	Mar 08 02:54
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ender2070	trends is a business weasel word	Mar 08 02:54
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lorddarko	HAAAI GUYS	Mar 08 03:01
lorddarko	MAH NAME IS LORDDARKO	Mar 08 03:02
ender2070	Hi :)	Mar 08 03:09
ender2070	IM ENDER2070	Mar 08 03:09
lorddarko	,:D	Mar 08 03:10
Diablo-D3	HI	Mar 08 03:10
Diablo-D3	WHY ARE WE YELLING	Mar 08 03:10
ender2070	LORDDARKO ARRIVED!	Mar 08 03:10
*ender2070 busts open a bottle of champaigne		Mar 08 03:10
lorddarko	YAY	Mar 08 03:10
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ender2070	lol	Mar 08 03:12
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Takyoji	My day has been made: http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/08/004219/Ubisofts-Authentication-Servers-Go-Down	Mar 08 03:16
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ender2070	:D	Mar 08 03:19
DaemonFC	CLEETUS!!!! DARK SIDED!!!!!	Mar 08 03:20
DaemonFC	GRAWWWWWWW!!!!!	Mar 08 03:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Dear @twitter followers, do you know where your backups are? My laptop drive just died stone cold. Don't ask. Start your backup now. #upset		Mar 08 03:23
ender2070	I don't remember where but I heard rumors ubisoft was going to get hit with DDOS attacks	Mar 08 03:28
ender2070	i wonder if they did	Mar 08 03:28
ender2070	http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/07/234204/Facebook-Founder-Accused-of-Hacking-Into-Rivals-Email	Mar 08 03:30
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DaemonFC	:)	Mar 08 03:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @qu1j0t3 That's what xfs dump and xfs restore are for. Woo, fancy! I know, btrfs vaporware blahblah...sometimes a simpler answer is best. :)		Mar 08 03:31
DaemonFC	If I was to ever move to anything other than XFS, it would be because Reiser4 got merged	Mar 08 03:31
DaemonFC	Reiser4 is bitch slapping Btrfs	Mar 08 03:32
ender2070	btrfs isnt for fucking speed	Mar 08 03:32
DaemonFC	I noticed	Mar 08 03:33
ender2070	rtfm	Mar 08 03:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] @_Goblin If you are pissing someone off, you are doing something right :) At least that's my opinion.		Mar 08 03:37
oiaohm	Speed doing what is the question.	Mar 08 03:38
oiaohm	btrfs is being designed to support multi drives better.	Mar 08 03:39
DaemonFC	Reiser4 seems to destory all others in most desktop-related tasks	Mar 08 03:40
DaemonFC	oiaohm, What surprises me about XFS is how well it still stacks up and how much work is still being done on it considering it is 16 years old now	Mar 08 03:44
DaemonFC	it still meets or exceeds Ext4	Mar 08 03:44
DaemonFC	even when BtrFS is declared stable, they're still going to find bugs in it for years	Mar 08 03:45
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ender2070	i hope so	Mar 08 04:02
ender2070	that way they fix them	Mar 08 04:03
ender2070	_goblin - remember I first stated Paint.mono would replace GIMP, it seems it does under the name Pinta (just saw your blog)	Mar 08 04:13
Diablo-D3	lol mono	Mar 08 04:14
ender2070	i bet they'll try getting it into ubuntu 10.10	Mar 08 04:14
Diablo-D3	you know what I should do to those assholes	Mar 08 04:14
Diablo-D3	wait until they get finished	Mar 08 04:14
Diablo-D3	and then steal all their work	Mar 08 04:14
ender2070	LOL	Mar 08 04:14
Diablo-D3	port it all to java	Mar 08 04:14
Diablo-D3	DOOHOHOHOHOHOHO	Mar 08 04:15
ender2070	MIT license ;)	Mar 08 04:15
ender2070	you could	Mar 08 04:15
Diablo-D3	ender2070: eh I still havent decided on a license for my own shit Im writing myself	Mar 08 04:15
ender2070	I was thinking of making a license myself	Mar 08 04:15
Diablo-D3	its either bsd-alike or gpl.	Mar 08 04:15
Diablo-D3	ender2070: dont bother	Mar 08 04:15
ender2070	im slightly inspired by the CDDL	Mar 08 04:15
Diablo-D3	theres at least 4 or 5 licenses that are, essentially, the BSD license	Mar 08 04:16
ender2070	i dont like the BSD license	Mar 08 04:16
ender2070	i like gpl3	Mar 08 04:16
Diablo-D3	then just use gpl	Mar 08 04:16
ender2070	i like the CDDL too, one thing in it prevents you from using their code if you sue them	Mar 08 04:16
Diablo-D3	cddl ~= mdl	Mar 08 04:16
Diablo-D3	ender2070: yeah, but that doesnt mean shit	Mar 08 04:16
ender2070	but i was thinking of my own license not for software	Mar 08 04:17
ender2070	i like the idea "you cant use my shit if you sue me"	Mar 08 04:18
Diablo-D3	I dont like that clause, btw	Mar 08 04:18
Diablo-D3	because they'd just sue you for monopolistic practices.	Mar 08 04:19
ender2070	?	Mar 08 04:19
ender2070	how	Mar 08 04:19
Diablo-D3	how? well, first, they hire a lawyer, and then they pay them money	Mar 08 04:19
ender2070	yeah, and waste your money	Mar 08 04:20
DaemonFC	http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703915204575103520836794314.html?mod=WSJ_hp_editorsPicks	Mar 08 04:20
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DaemonFC	BAHAHAHA!!!!	Mar 08 04:20
ender2070	you kind of have to prove a monopoly	Mar 08 04:20
Diablo-D3	if microsoft is suing you, you'll run out of money first.	Mar 08 04:20
ender2070	obviously	Mar 08 04:20
ender2070	everyone with a patent is engaging in "monopolistic practices" though	Mar 08 04:21
DaemonFC	there have been a few cases where the case was so ridiculous, that Microsoft ended up paying settlement money to people they sued	Mar 08 04:21
DaemonFC	just o get it out of the court system	Mar 08 04:21
DaemonFC	*to	Mar 08 04:21
DaemonFC	before an unfavorable precedent could be set	Mar 08 04:22
DaemonFC	Lindows for example	Mar 08 04:22
ender2070	lol you're funny	Mar 08 04:23
ender2070	Lindows got fucked	Mar 08 04:23
ender2070	microsoft sued them in every other country	Mar 08 04:23
ender2070	until they gave up	Mar 08 04:23
Diablo-D3	hmm	Mar 08 04:24
DaemonFC	wrong	Mar 08 04:24
Diablo-D3	I wonder how much a license could be a weapon	Mar 08 04:24
ender2070	not wrong	Mar 08 04:24
DaemonFC	Microsoft paid them to change their name	Mar 08 04:24
ender2070	i used to get michaels minutes	Mar 08 04:24
DaemonFC	cause the court case wasn't going well	Mar 08 04:24
ender2070	linspire was running out of money	Mar 08 04:24
ender2070	they were being sued in every country	Mar 08 04:24
ender2070	they were winning in the US	Mar 08 04:24
ender2070	but they couldnt afford to keep it up	Mar 08 04:24
ender2070	microsoft may have paid them to change their name but thats what they wanted in the first place	Mar 08 04:26
oiaohm	In the end Lindows won in every country before MS paid up ender2070	Mar 08 04:26
oiaohm	Most of the MS cases got thrown out at first court.	Mar 08 04:26
ender2070	ahh thats good then	Mar 08 04:27
ender2070	its as silly as mikerowesoft	Mar 08 04:27
oiaohm	linspire could have kept the name.	Mar 08 04:27
oiaohm	But selling the name was a really good chunk of cash.	Mar 08 04:27
ender2070	yeah	Mar 08 04:27
ender2070	too bad they are the worst distro	Mar 08 04:27
oiaohm	Exactly why selling the name was such a good idea.	Mar 08 04:28
ender2070	i remember when they marketed it as a linux distro that ran every windows app	Mar 08 04:28
oiaohm	They were not going well selling the distro	Mar 08 04:28
Diablo-D3	hmmmmmmmmmm	Mar 08 04:28
Diablo-D3	hey guys	Mar 08 04:28
ender2070	then it was "some windows apps"	Mar 08 04:28
Diablo-D3	shut up about linspire	Mar 08 04:28
DaemonFC	ender2070, At first, they didn't mention Linux or Wine	Mar 08 04:28
Diablo-D3	find me the most harmful to microsoft license you can find	Mar 08 04:28
DaemonFC	they just said it would be a Windows compatible OS	Mar 08 04:28
oiaohm	Xbox 360 SDK licence. Diablo-D3 that has to be prity close up there.	Mar 08 04:29
Diablo-D3	oiaohm: durr hurrr	Mar 08 04:29
ender2070	license? ur joking right	Mar 08 04:29
ender2070	it doesnt cost them anything to make a license	Mar 08 04:29
Diablo-D3	I think you two misunderstood me	Mar 08 04:29
oiaohm	NDA on windows source code is fairly nasty as well.	Mar 08 04:30
Diablo-D3	I want a license so powerful bill gates shits himself over it	Mar 08 04:30
ender2070	ohhhhh	Mar 08 04:30
ender2070	lol	Mar 08 04:30
Diablo-D3	the CDDL kind of comes pretty close.	Mar 08 04:30
ender2070	just use a clause "Microsoft cannot use this code, nor can any of its partners"	Mar 08 04:30
ender2070	LOL	Mar 08 04:30
Diablo-D3	see, thats just ignorant	Mar 08 04:30
DaemonFC	then it's not free software	Mar 08 04:31
oiaohm	GPLv3 MS seams to hate	Mar 08 04:31
Diablo-D3	GPLv3 is up there	Mar 08 04:31
ender2070	yeah	Mar 08 04:31
Diablo-D3	the new patent shit pisses MS off	Mar 08 04:31
DaemonFC	I don't like "bills of attainder" in software licenses	Mar 08 04:31
ender2070	gpl3 means they cant hold onto their patents	Mar 08 04:31
Diablo-D3	but this CDDL looks really nasty	Mar 08 04:31
DaemonFC	even RMA would agree with that	Mar 08 04:31
DaemonFC	*RMS	Mar 08 04:31
Diablo-D3	lol rma	Mar 08 04:31
DaemonFC	ehhh	Mar 08 04:31
DaemonFC	they need to RMA him	Mar 08 04:31
Diablo-D3	best slip eever	Mar 08 04:31
DaemonFC	fat hippy	Mar 08 04:31
DaemonFC	but he's right on some things	Mar 08 04:32
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 08 04:32
ender2070	shut up daemon	Mar 08 04:32
oiaohm	There is always the few projects that are duel licenced GPLv3 and CDDL	Mar 08 04:32
oiaohm	Messes with them both ways.	Mar 08 04:32
ender2070	lol	Mar 08 04:32
Diablo-D3	I need something thats half GPLv3 half CDDL	Mar 08 04:32
DaemonFC	generally, GPL goes after anti-FOSS behavior, not individuals	Mar 08 04:33
ender2070	hire a lawyer	Mar 08 04:33
ender2070	get something drafted up that combines both	Mar 08 04:33
DaemonFC	Microsoft could use GPL software, they just have to abide by the rules	Mar 08 04:33
DaemonFC	they won't because they don't want to play by those rules	Mar 08 04:33
ender2070	cell phone makers dont like gpl3 either	Mar 08 04:34
DaemonFC	Microsoft generally either won't use free software, or incorporate thigns they don't have to give back to.	Mar 08 04:34
oiaohm	Don't forget as copyright holder you can multi licence	Mar 08 04:35
oiaohm	That can get really brain screwing when the licences are incompadible.	Mar 08 04:35
oiaohm	Depends on the cell phone maker nokia has no problems with it ender2070	Mar 08 04:36
DaemonFC	there's nothing wrong with contributing to FreeBSD as long as you don't mind being an unpaid Apple/Microsoft developer maybe	Mar 08 04:36
ender2070	oiaohm - the ones who use tivoization do	Mar 08 04:38
DaemonFC	what all of any significance uses GPL 3?	Mar 08 04:38
oiaohm	Samba DaemonFC	Mar 08 04:40
DaemonFC	I mean, how easy is it to build a Linux distro and bypass all GPL 3 software?	Mar 08 04:41
DaemonFC	if someone wanted to	Mar 08 04:41
oiaohm	Ok so no windows networking	Mar 08 04:41
DaemonFC	could you get away with doing so at this point?	Mar 08 04:41
Diablo-D3	I dont mind contributing to apple	Mar 08 04:41
Diablo-D3	its microsoft I dont want to	Mar 08 04:41
oiaohm	It is possiable to build a working OS without GPLv3 but a lot of nice things are missing Diablo-D3	Mar 08 04:42
oiaohm	Opps DaemonFC	Mar 08 04:42
oiaohm	Sorry Diablo-D3	Mar 08 04:42
DaemonFC	I'd just like to know how GPL 3 so far is blocking non freedom respecting distributions as relates to it's "anti-tivoization"	Mar 08 04:42
DaemonFC	oiaohm, So it's a pain in the ass, but not out of the question, and your users would notice missing things right away?	Mar 08 04:43
oiaohm	Lots of differernet things have gone GPLv3 in recent years or LGPLv3	Mar 08 04:44
oiaohm	Like current versions of gimp as well would be out DaemonFC	Mar 08 04:45
DaemonFC	right, but lets say I'm a big evil bastard of a corporation	Mar 08 04:45
Diablo-D3	hey	Mar 08 04:45
DaemonFC	I don't care if a bittorrent client goes GPL 3, there's a million of them	Mar 08 04:45
Diablo-D3	who dual licenses GPL3 and CDDL?	Mar 08 04:45
DaemonFC	I do care if something is GPL 3 and can't be easily replaced	Mar 08 04:45
DaemonFC	I would be mad if they took out Transmission	Mar 08 04:46
DaemonFC	that's turned into quite a nice client	Mar 08 04:46
DaemonFC	speaking of torrent clients	Mar 08 04:46
DaemonFC	I think Ubuntu had Deluge by default and they replaced it with Transmission too soon and I was mad	Mar 08 04:47
DaemonFC	cause at that point Transmission was crap and Deluge was where a;; the features were	Mar 08 04:47
DaemonFC	but now Transmission has the same features more or less and manages to be 1/4th the resource footprint of Deluge	Mar 08 04:48
DaemonFC	Deluge is even more of a nightmare on Windows B-)	Mar 08 04:48
oiaohm	Cdtools did at one point and caused one hell of a upset in the debian world. Diablo-D3	Mar 08 04:49
Diablo-D3	oiaohm: yeah, no one cares about that douche	Mar 08 04:50
Diablo-D3	schilly can suck my dick	Mar 08 04:50
oiaohm	I did not say sane people did it. Diablo-D3	Mar 08 04:51
Diablo-D3	heh	Mar 08 04:51
Diablo-D3	still though	Mar 08 04:51
Diablo-D3	I wonder what the outcome would be	Mar 08 04:52
oiaohm	Both licences on one block of code causes migrains trying to work out how to follow.	Mar 08 04:52
Diablo-D3	so I just allow a special exception	Mar 08 04:53
oiaohm	Hmm can CDDL do special exceptions.	Mar 08 04:53
Diablo-D3	no, but GPLv3 can.	Mar 08 04:53
Diablo-D3	well, all GPL can	Mar 08 04:53
oiaohm	Yep that is where the headache comes in.	Mar 08 04:54
oiaohm	GPLv3 can be made compadible with CDDL but CDDL normal cannot be made compadible back the other way.	Mar 08 04:54
DaemonFC	BSD and CDDL are compatible	Mar 08 04:54
DaemonFC	that's where ZFS comes in on FreeBSD	Mar 08 04:55
oiaohm	BSD is almost compatible with everything.	Mar 08 04:55
Diablo-D3	I can just make a special exception that just says something like "This code can be reused in any pure GPLv3 or CDDL project without requiring the other license."	Mar 08 04:55
oiaohm	Since it basically protection.	Mar 08 04:55
Diablo-D3	and btw, oiaohm	Mar 08 04:55
Diablo-D3	I can make any license claim I want	Mar 08 04:55
DaemonFC	I know I've seen a few CDDL packages in Fedora's repo	Mar 08 04:55
DaemonFC	not a lot	Mar 08 04:55
DaemonFC	just regular applications though	Mar 08 04:56
oiaohm	Evil is the case someone puts in conditions of both must be followed. DaemonFC	Mar 08 04:56
oiaohm	Opps Diablo-D3	Mar 08 04:56
DaemonFC	I'd just use a single license and stick with it	Mar 08 04:56
Diablo-D3	oiaohm: hmm, I could just say OR	Mar 08 04:56
DaemonFC	or make the other license usable only in certain situations	Mar 08 04:57
Diablo-D3	Or better yet	Mar 08 04:57
oiaohm	or has the issue the project can split in 2 Diablo-D3	Mar 08 04:57
Diablo-D3	subtly change the CDDL	Mar 08 04:57
Diablo-D3	sue any company or individual that has a copyright claim for the code in this project	Mar 08 04:57
Diablo-D3	and then just import a tiny bit of Sun code.	Mar 08 04:57
DaemonFC	yeah, dual license just means that the conditions of the less strict license are the ones a Microsoft or an Apple would abide by	Mar 08 04:57
ender2070	Diablo-D3 - i suggest you hire a lawyer when having your license created	Mar 08 04:57
Diablo-D3	ender2070: Im not going to actually do it.	Mar 08 04:58
Diablo-D3	I may just tell RMS to get off his ass and make GPLv4 already	Mar 08 04:58
oiaohm	Depends on the type of duel licence DaemonFC if it an AND or a OR	Mar 08 04:58
ender2070	Diablo-D3 - the fsf had to get the legalese right, they hired a lawyer to get the wording correct	Mar 08 04:58
oiaohm	AND duel licences are real migrains.	Mar 08 04:58
Diablo-D3	ender2070: see above where I tell RMS to get back to work.	Mar 08 04:58
DaemonFC	dual licensing GPL and a BSD-ish license is pretty much a nulllification of the GPL provisions	Mar 08 04:58
DaemonFC	so why bother?	Mar 08 04:58
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: no, thats OR	Mar 08 04:58
ender2070	why gpl4	Mar 08 04:58
ender2070	what would even be in it	Mar 08 04:59
Diablo-D3	ender2070: CDDL fuck you clause.	Mar 08 04:59
ender2070	lol	Mar 08 04:59
Diablo-D3	CDDL is basically an incompatible GPLv3 but with the fuck you clause bolted on	Mar 08 04:59
ender2070	the fuck you clause is the sue one right?	Mar 08 04:59
Diablo-D3	yeah	Mar 08 04:59
Diablo-D3	sue us, you cant use the code anymore	Mar 08 05:00
ender2070	yeah i like that one	Mar 08 05:00
oiaohm	GPL and BSD licence code can be comide with other code that is BSD without infecting it with GPL. But big but the source code release requirement on the files themselves are still gpl. Ie basically really messy way of writing LGPL	Mar 08 05:00
ender2070	imagine SCO	Mar 08 05:00
ender2070	lol	Mar 08 05:00
Diablo-D3	ender2070: exactly	Mar 08 05:00
Diablo-D3	SCO would basically have NO products left	Mar 08 05:00
DaemonFC	What was that app that MS paid people to write and instead they just misappropriated GPL'd code for the most part and shoved it on CodePlex?	Mar 08 05:00
DaemonFC	Those people are my heroes	Mar 08 05:01
Diablo-D3	yeah	Mar 08 05:01
oiaohm	Basically and/or meanings are very important with licences DaemonFC	Mar 08 05:01
DaemonFC	they got paid to give MS a GPL violation	Mar 08 05:01
Diablo-D3	yeah what oiaohm said.	Mar 08 05:01
DaemonFC	they're awesome	Mar 08 05:01
Diablo-D3	you _can_ state AND or OR	Mar 08 05:01
oiaohm	Or AND/OR	Mar 08 05:01
Diablo-D3	I can just form the Diablo Hates You (DHY) license.	Mar 08 05:01
Diablo-D3	"This license requires you to follow the terms of the GPLv3 _and_ CDDL licenses."	Mar 08 05:02
Diablo-D3	and then include the text of both beneath that.	Mar 08 05:02
ender2070	LOL	Mar 08 05:02
ender2070	http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/23	Mar 08 05:04
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Diablo-D3	AAAAHHHHHHHHH	Mar 08 05:04
Diablo-D3	HOLY SHIT	Mar 08 05:04
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Nervous system manipulation by electromagnetic fields from monitors - US #Patent http://ur1.ca/oqk6 #holyshit #douchebags		Mar 08 05:07
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oiaohm	oiaohm wants to screw you completely licence. "You must follow all the conditions of every Open Source Initiative approved licence ( http://www.opensource.org/licenses ) to be licenced to use this code."	Mar 08 05:07
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oiaohm	Nice the problem with that licence it does not grant you the right to do jack.	Mar 08 05:08
Diablo-D3	oiaohm: fffffffff	Mar 08 05:09
oiaohm	Of course its not the worst one I have seen.	Mar 08 05:11
oiaohm	One of my friends wrote one for sport and strangely enough legal. That said you had to follow all the condtions as per every software licence in existance.	Mar 08 05:12
oiaohm	At least mine gives you somewhere near a sporting chance.	Mar 08 05:13
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DaemonFC	jono, I've been describing the new theme as "A mirror, darkly"	Mar 08 05:23
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 08 05:23
jono	DaemonFC, good for you :)	Mar 08 05:23
DaemonFC	the mirror universe on Star Trek where everyone was insane and evil	Mar 08 05:23
DaemonFC	and SPock had a goatee	Mar 08 05:23
jono	ok, this got way too dorky way too quickly	Mar 08 05:24
jono	:P	Mar 08 05:24
DaemonFC	heh	Mar 08 05:24
*DaemonFC slaps jono with the complete series DVD case		Mar 08 05:25
DaemonFC	nyaaah	Mar 08 05:25
jono	ol	Mar 08 05:25
jono	lol	Mar 08 05:25
DaemonFC	well, seeing as how there's no hope of support moving past "experimenta;" in Ubuntu 10.04, it looks like I'll be using xorg-edgers for at least another 7-ish months	Mar 08 05:28
Diablo-D3	wit	Mar 08 05:28
Diablo-D3	wtf?	Mar 08 05:28
Diablo-D3	WTFPL is a real license!~	Mar 08 05:28
DaemonFC	err, mangled	Mar 08 05:28
DaemonFC	experimental ATI support	Mar 08 05:28
DaemonFC	the graphics stack in xorg-edgers totally blows what comes with Lucid out of the water	Mar 08 05:28
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 08 05:29
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DaemonFC	jono, Do you happen to know the policy for them backporting drm support from 2.6.33. As in, will this extend to future kernels, does it extend to ATI or only Nvidia, etc?	Mar 08 05:30
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: I cant wait until gallium shaders for radeon is done	Mar 08 05:30
DaemonFC	what I mean is if drm support gets better, do I wait for Ubuntu's next 2.6.32 or should I roll my own?	Mar 08 05:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@superacid There are some problematic aspects of "Hurt Locker" // John Pilger agrees: http://bit.ly/d8R6fW #iraq #war		Mar 08 05:31
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DaemonFC	I'm not a great fan of rolling my own kernel, but at least kernel-package isn't broken (like in Karmic) and nvidia-common won't fuck up your DEB packages and make them impossible to uninstall later, I know this probably happened by accident (working properly), but I would like to extend my thanks anyway, jono (just in case it was fixed knowingly, by a human, working on Ubuntu, in a conscious decision)	Mar 08 05:33
DaemonFC	it's one of those provisional thank yous	Mar 08 05:34
DaemonFC	the kind I give out when I'm not sure anyone was responsible for unfucking something, but more as a just in case	Mar 08 05:35
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 08 05:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @DaemonFC I know how to make backups. The problem is, I didn't. #xfs can't help much with that. And call me in 5 yrs when #btrfs matures.		Mar 08 05:36
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 08 05:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @qu1j0t3 I admit my ignorance of Ext2/3/4 because I don't use them. Many reasons. Is there a good backup tool vs. unmounting and using tar?		Mar 08 05:39
DaemonFC	jono does not fear the tar command as a backup tool	Mar 08 05:39
DaemonFC	jono is not afraid of anything	Mar 08 05:39
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 08 05:39
DaemonFC	jono once tarred an entire clustered Ext3 file system without breaking a sweat	Mar 08 05:40
DaemonFC	in fact, he was going to add the steps to repeat the process to the Official Ubuntu Book, but it would have required the death of thousands of trees to add information that users would not grasp	Mar 08 05:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @DaemonFC it was an OS X 10.4 system, so HFS+. You can pipe a 'ditto' (cpio) archive off it easily enough. No way around it, i'm an idiot		Mar 08 05:42
DaemonFC	jono and Chuck Norris can do clustered backups of Ext3, and nobody else	Mar 08 05:42
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ender2070	oh nice Diablo-D3 ty	Mar 08 05:48
Diablo-D3	tabfail?	Mar 08 05:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Announcing the two winners of the Ubuntu International Women's Day Competition tomorrow - watch live at http://tinyurl.com/ykxqerb #ubuntu		Mar 08 05:51
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ender2070	you linked my site	Mar 08 05:51
ender2070	http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/24	Mar 08 05:52
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Diablo-D3	ahh	Mar 08 05:52
ender2070	but yeah the other one was better	Mar 08 05:54
ender2070	the patent post	Mar 08 05:54
DaemonFC	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODAzOQ	Mar 08 06:27
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Diablo-D3	http://whotookspaz.org/randomflash/best_insult_ever.swf	Mar 08 06:31
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DaemonFC	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODA0MA	Mar 08 06:33
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DaemonFC	"When a naked man is chasing a woman through an alley with a butcher's knife and a hard-on, I figure he isn't out collecting for the Red Cross!" -Dirty Harry (explaining why he shot a man)	Mar 08 07:23
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 08 07:23
DaemonFC	http://www.usnews.com/health/family-health/bones-joints-and-muscles/articles/2010/03/07/hiv-hides-out-in-bone-marrow-cells.html	Mar 08 07:38
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DaemonFC	Apparently HIV hides out in bone marrow in a dormant state, waiting until it needs to make copies of itself	Mar 08 07:39
DaemonFC	Could be part of the reason why reducing blood levels of it won't cure it.	Mar 08 07:39
DaemonFC	even if the viral load tests say levels are zero	Mar 08 07:40
schestowitz	ender2070: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8uQy3r4uGE	Mar 08 07:51
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, Remond me to never eat subs from the grocery store again :P	Mar 08 07:52
DaemonFC	just lucky I had alka seltzers or I'd be in trouble	Mar 08 07:52
DaemonFC	those are a life saver actually, everything from migraines to food didn't agree with you	Mar 08 07:53
*DaemonFC uses them for everything		Mar 08 07:53
DaemonFC	anyway, what's schestowitz doing up at 2:45 EST?	Mar 08 07:53
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 08 07:53
DaemonFC	schestowitz usually doesn't appear until 4:00-4:30 EST	Mar 08 07:54
DaemonFC	sleep troubles again?	Mar 08 07:55
DaemonFC	;)	Mar 08 07:55
DaemonFC	I wonder if they make an alka seltzer PM	Mar 08 07:56
DaemonFC	I might get one decent night of sleep	Mar 08 07:56
ender2070	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S9N1oCX_nI	Mar 08 08:08
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schestowitz	I's 8am, DaemonFC	Mar 08 08:11
schestowitz	No troubles	Mar 08 08:11
DaemonFC	heh	Mar 08 08:11
ender2070	schestowitz - whats this?	Mar 08 08:11
DaemonFC	I might buy a police interceptor :)	Mar 08 08:13
DaemonFC	the city is going to auction some off when they fire those cops	Mar 08 08:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Taken to More Nations http://ur1.ca/oqzf http://ur1.ca/oqzg		Mar 08 08:15
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, Red Star is a GPL violation I'm sure	Mar 08 08:17
DaemonFC	I haven't seen the source for it anywhere	Mar 08 08:17
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Radeon R600/R700 #Gallium3D driver now has really basic GLSL shading http://ur1.ca/oqz8 #awesome		Mar 08 08:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Wine 1.1.40 is Released http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.1.40 http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/03/06/wicd-is-good-stuff/		Mar 08 08:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Top #GNU #Linux #Games and More on Their Way http://ur1.ca/or03 http://ur1.ca/or04 http://ur1.ca/or05		Mar 08 08:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC 4.5 Insights, New KDE Projects in Development http://ur1.ca/or08 http://ur1.ca/or09 http://ur1.ca/or0a		Mar 08 08:23
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ender2070	schestowitz - why did you link me that?	Mar 08 08:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The NEW #PCLinuxOS Magazine for March 2010 is Out http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/43668		Mar 08 08:25
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/43697	Mar 08 08:28
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DaemonFC	:)	Mar 08 08:28
Diablo-D3	HEHEHEHEH	Mar 08 08:30
Diablo-D3	OH WOW	Mar 08 08:30
*Diablo-D3 must dent this		Mar 08 08:30
DaemonFC	Nexuiz is going non-free?	Mar 08 08:33
*DaemonFC wonders if they'll ditch the GPL'd version as in not maintain it		Mar 08 08:33
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: bigger issue than that	Mar 08 08:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo Helps Improve #GNU #Linux for Everyone http://blog.hartwork.org/?p=647		Mar 08 08:34
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Diablo-D3	nexuiz, the non-free version, has nothing to do with the other nexuiz	Mar 08 08:34
Diablo-D3	they use virtually none of the art resources	Mar 08 08:34
Diablo-D3	and nexuiz, the trademark, has an owner, and hes on board with this	Mar 08 08:34
DaemonFC	well yeah, it can be a pain in the ass to relicense something that dozens of people have contributed to	Mar 08 08:34
Diablo-D3	and they paid the guy who wrote the actual engine behind it, darkplaces, a lot of money to continue developing open source software	Mar 08 08:34
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: they dont want to	Mar 08 08:34
Diablo-D3	nexuiz is a fucking pile of shit	Mar 08 08:34
DaemonFC	the guy that relicensed Xchat did it unlawfully	Mar 08 08:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Makes #GNU #Linux Work at Deutsche Börse, Elsewhere http://ur1.ca/or1r http://ur1.ca/or1s		Mar 08 08:35
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Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: I told the guys behind nexuiz.com that, basically, they're fucking retarded if they wanted to be associated with the pile of shit known as nexuiz	Mar 08 08:35
*Diablo-D3 sits in #darkplaces, btw		Mar 08 08:35
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: btw, its also for game consoles only	Mar 08 08:35
Diablo-D3	its not for PCs.	Mar 08 08:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the #Debian -derived #Elive 2.0 (With Screenshots) http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2168291705.html?kc=rss		Mar 08 08:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] EuroGreens resolution to get access to ACTA documents: http://i5.be/azO		Mar 08 08:36
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Diablo-D3	so theres no issue	Mar 08 08:36
Diablo-D3	the open source in nexuiz, darkplaces, continues to be funded	Mar 08 08:36
Diablo-D3	the trademark owner moves from one nexuiz to the other.	Mar 08 08:36
Diablo-D3	and the nexuiz I know and hate... continues to be worthless shit.	Mar 08 08:36
Diablo-D3	so theres no issue	Mar 08 08:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Conservatives resotution to get access to ACTA documents: http://i5.be/azP		Mar 08 08:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Builds Services Around #GNU #Linux for Business Models Exploration http://ur1.ca/or29 http://ur1.ca/or2a		Mar 08 08:37
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Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: people associated with nexuiz.oss are bitching and moaning because "their work has been stolen"	Mar 08 08:37
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Microsoft and #Novell fails on !Linux "promise" during #Olympics http://ur1.ca/or1c #douchebags !monofree !gnu		Mar 08 08:37
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Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: except nexuiz.com uses virtually no assets from nexuiz.gpl, and they forget to mention this	Mar 08 08:37
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: so yeah, theres a huge disinformation campaign going on	Mar 08 08:38
Diablo-D3	but it doesnt matter	Mar 08 08:38
Diablo-D3	nexuiz.gpl sucks, and nexuiz.com is fucked because they are associating themselves with shit	Mar 08 08:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Appearance/Branding of Next #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux - Debate Continues http://ur1.ca/or2f http://ur1.ca/or2g http://ur1.ca/or2i		Mar 08 08:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Palm 's #Linux -Powered #Phones Position in Review http://www.ofb.biz/safari/article/623.html		Mar 08 08:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Not an Option at Kogan, Just #GNU #Linux on #Tablets http://ur1.ca/or2z		Mar 08 08:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #rPath Improves Automation in #GNU #Linux and #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/or31		Mar 08 08:47
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ender2070	[03:26] <DaemonFC> the guy that relicensed Xchat did it unlawfully	Mar 08 08:49
ender2070	what?	Mar 08 08:50
DaemonFC	when he declared that it was not GPL on Windows	Mar 08 08:54
ender2070	when was that	Mar 08 08:55
ender2070	i remember when the author decided to charge for windows binaries	Mar 08 08:55
ender2070	not against the GPL	Mar 08 08:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Communists and Criminals? No, Just #MAFIAA http://ur1.ca/or3j		Mar 08 08:56
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DaemonFC	ender2070, He violated the GPL in any event by not releasing the shareware enforcement code	Mar 08 08:56
DaemonFC	the code that enforces the 30 day trial	Mar 08 08:56
ender2070	shareware enforcement code/	Mar 08 08:56
ender2070	?	Mar 08 08:56
DaemonFC	yeah	Mar 08 08:57
DaemonFC	locks you out if you don't license it in 30 days	Mar 08 08:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA Uses #Haiti Atrocities to Promote Its Bullying, MAFIAA Racket Investigated http://ur1.ca/or3k http://ur1.ca/or3l		Mar 08 08:58
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ender2070	why not just download the source code and compile your own	Mar 08 08:58
ender2070	duhhhhh	Mar 08 08:58
DaemonFC	there are some unofficial build that do that	Mar 08 08:58
DaemonFC	they all have problems though	Mar 08 08:59
ender2070	"compile your own"	Mar 08 08:59
ender2070	http://xchat.org/files/source/2.8/?N=D	Mar 08 08:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Releases: #FFmpeg 0.5.1, #GRUB 1.98, #Netbeans #VCLTesttool Plugin http://ur1.ca/or3x http://ur1.ca/or3y http://ur1.ca/or3z		Mar 08 09:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Hardware Support in #BSD Takes a Leap http://ur1.ca/or41 http://ur1.ca/or42		Mar 08 09:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Cloud' Computing No Substitute to #FreeSoftware http://buytaert.net/open-source-in-the-enterprise-and-in-the-cloud #fogcomputing		Mar 08 09:03
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ender2070	other than that though, xchat sucks balls	Mar 08 09:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @_Goblin: So should one buy a fake charity album where the RIAA pockets most of the proceeds or donate to a real charity that donates 100%?		Mar 08 09:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Expected to Lose #Patent Trial Today http://ur1.ca/or4f http://ur1.ca/or4g http://ur1.ca/or4i		Mar 08 09:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @timbray: Holy <whatever>, Edward Tufte gets an Obama administration appointment: http://is.gd/9Wrsa There is hope.		Mar 08 09:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @zoobab: European Conservatives resotution to get access to ACTA documents: http://i5.be/azP		Mar 08 09:08
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DaemonFC	ender2070, How exactly does this work. "What cost $1 in 2008 would cost $1.00 in 2009." "Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 2009 and 2008, they would cost you $1 and $0.96 respectively."	Mar 08 09:08
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 08 09:09
Diablo-D3	sounds like a failfloat somewhere	Mar 08 09:10
kevin009	did you see that ubisoft's servers are down for a brand new game that requires constant connectivity to function?	Mar 08 09:12
kevin009	i love it!	Mar 08 09:12
Diablo-D3	yeah	Mar 08 09:12
Diablo-D3	makes me never want to do business with them	Mar 08 09:12
kevin009	yeah i learned my lesson 4 years ago	Mar 08 09:12
kevin009	i purchased one game from them	Mar 08 09:12
kevin009	but i can't believe the majority of society allows things like this to happen	Mar 08 09:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] As a working software developer, the thought of accidentally and unknowingly stumbling into someone’s patent is terrifying: http://i5.be/azQ		Mar 08 09:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] USPTO still grants software patents under Bilski: "a specific structure that captures, stores, and displays specific data" http://i5.be/azR		Mar 08 09:20
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ender2070	kevin009 - im not surprised, i heard a rumor about one of the piracy groups planning a DDOS because of it	Mar 08 09:28
DaemonFC	hah	Mar 08 09:29
DaemonFC	cool	Mar 08 09:29
kevin009	i guess more information will be found out later in the week when the staff return to investigate the servers	Mar 08 09:45
kevin009	it makes me glad almost all the games I play are 5+ years old and don't do things like this	Mar 08 09:45
DaemonFC	I hope the servers stay down	Mar 08 09:46
kevin009	lol me 2	Mar 08 09:46
DaemonFC	people get outraged	Mar 08 09:46
kevin009	the worse the situation gets, the more I will laugh	Mar 08 09:46
DaemonFC	maybe Ubisoft will release a patch to disable that shit	Mar 08 09:47
DaemonFC	http://www.gamedaily.com/games/assassins-creed-2/xbox-360/game-features/ubisoft-drm-authentification-server-is-down-assassins-creed-2-unplayable/	Mar 08 09:48
ender2070	maybe ubisoft will steal another pirate groups patch	Mar 08 09:48
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DaemonFC	heh	Mar 08 09:49
ender2070	Diablo-D3 - you know what I realized ?	Mar 08 09:50
ender2070	Diablo-D3 - Marty was right about Jennifer and Einstein, they did get left behind in that other parellel universe.	Mar 08 09:51
ender2070	BTTF	Mar 08 09:51
Diablo-D3	ender2070: no	Mar 08 09:52
ender2070	no?	Mar 08 09:52
Diablo-D3	the jennifer and einstein in that universe wern't theirs	Mar 08 09:53
Diablo-D3	only marty was the new guy	Mar 08 09:53
ender2070	no i dont think so	Mar 08 09:53
ender2070	they all went from the future didnt they	Mar 08 09:53
ender2070	into alternate 1985	Mar 08 09:53
Diablo-D3	I dont remember them having jennifer and einstein with them	Mar 08 09:54
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ender2070	she passed out when she saw herself	Mar 08 09:54
Diablo-D3	oh yeah	Mar 08 09:54
Diablo-D3	ender2070: guess what happens	Mar 08 09:54
Diablo-D3	nothing.	Mar 08 09:54
ender2070	yeah	Mar 08 09:54
ender2070	lol	Mar 08 09:54
ender2070	thats many worlds theory anyways	Mar 08 09:54
Diablo-D3	they obviously wern't left behind	Mar 08 09:55
Diablo-D3	because of	Mar 08 09:55
Diablo-D3	random	Mar 08 09:55
Diablo-D3	bullshit	Mar 08 09:55
Diablo-D3	I dunno	Mar 08 09:55
ender2070	more stuff not making sense	Mar 08 09:55
Diablo-D3	theres several bttf potholes, that isnt the only one	Mar 08 09:55
ender2070	yeah obviously	Mar 08 09:55
Diablo-D3	actually, it may not actually be one	Mar 08 09:55
Diablo-D3	bttf doesnt subscribe to many worlds	Mar 08 09:55
Diablo-D3	so the entire second timeline ceased to exist when they fixed it	Mar 08 09:56
ender2070	yeah it assumes causality	Mar 08 09:56
Diablo-D3	in other words, the universe suddenly changed for jenny and einstein	Mar 08 09:56
Diablo-D3	just POOF	Mar 08 09:56
Diablo-D3	which also means	Mar 08 09:56
ender2070	i would think they ended up just creating another universe	Mar 08 09:56
Diablo-D3	there very likey was another jenny and einstein	Mar 08 09:57
Diablo-D3	assuming they were created in that wildly different timeline	Mar 08 09:57
Diablo-D3	there already was another doc brown	Mar 08 09:57
ender2070	yeah	Mar 08 09:57
Diablo-D3	he was in the nut house	Mar 08 09:57
Diablo-D3	and never invented the time machine	Mar 08 09:57
DaemonFC	not such a bad place	Mar 08 09:57
DaemonFC	they have drugs	Mar 08 09:57
ender2070	if he couldnt invent it, paradox	Mar 08 09:57
ender2070	unless alternate universes co-exist	Mar 08 09:58
Diablo-D3	ender2070: no	Mar 08 09:58
Diablo-D3	ender2070: because the time change couldn't undo the time machine existing	Mar 08 09:58
Diablo-D3	or any of the occupants	Mar 08 09:58
ender2070	i know	Mar 08 09:58
Diablo-D3	because it'd not cause the second time line to begin with	Mar 08 09:58
ender2070	im thinking thats due to many worlds	Mar 08 09:58
Diablo-D3	however, the hilariity is	Mar 08 09:58
Diablo-D3	he never had to cause his parents to fall in love	Mar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3	during the second movie	Mar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3	since he couldn't change events that already happened	Mar 08 09:59
ender2070	that was the first	Mar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3	so yeah, the whole thing is full of lol.	Mar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3	ender2070: no, second	Mar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3	he fucks it up the first	Mar 08 09:59
ender2070	no first	Mar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3	he has to go fix it the second	Mar 08 09:59
ender2070	second they went into the future	Mar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3	...	Mar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3	argh I cant remember!	Mar 08 09:59
ender2070	they get the book and biff changes the past	Mar 08 09:59
Diablo-D3	and the funny part is	Mar 08 10:00
Diablo-D3	I have it on my hd	Mar 08 10:00
ender2070	so they go back to the 50s to get the book	Mar 08 10:00
ender2070	lol	Mar 08 10:00
ender2070	ive watched them all a million times	Mar 08 10:00
Diablo-D3	dude	Mar 08 10:00
ender2070	and i have a phenominal memory when I try	Mar 08 10:00
Diablo-D3	it has plotholes	Mar 08 10:00
Diablo-D3	get over it	Mar 08 10:00
ender2070	lol	Mar 08 10:00
ender2070	we had a discussion about time travel a few weeks ago	Mar 08 10:00
ender2070	oh jeez im up too late	Mar 08 10:01
ender2070	later all	Mar 08 10:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] just received my new Dell studio 15 laptop, intel core i7, 4GB-1333MHz, 500GB-7200rpm, ATI 512(uhh ) at 69,000/-		Mar 08 10:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Kills #Windows Essential Business #Server Due to Low Demand http://ur1.ca/orea #linux #gnu #msft		Mar 08 10:58
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schestowitz	Distrowatch numbers scaled re Fedora's numbers	Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz	From: Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@launchmodem.com> (Part of the new AT&T! Crap service our specialty!)	Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz	Date: Sunday 07 Mar 2010 15:58:23	Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz	Groups: comp.os.linux.advocacy	Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz	Rather than have a troll make terse, allusive claims, here are the numbers	Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz	themselves.	Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz	Potential unique IP addresses with various UNIXEN installed. Estimated by taking Fedora's unique IP estimates and scaling the numbers at Distrowatch as if they were proportional. Obviously, much room for error, and surely many IPs present more than one distro, so there should be a lot of overlap, greatly reducing the resulting estimate. Nonetheless, a lot of machines are using Linux and other UNIX alternatives.	Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz	The resulting estimate is 370,823,713 (3.7e08 if you're a FORTRAN'er <grin>)	Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz	Rank Distribution H.P.D Scaled re Fedora's count	Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz	1 Ubuntu 2355 26541344	Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz	2 Fedora 1754 19767948 ***	Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz	3 Mint 1604 18077417	Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz	4 openSUSE 1428 16093860	Mar 08 11:04
schestowitz	[...]	Mar 08 11:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @eduvid nice rig		Mar 08 11:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I really need to update my Web profiles, at least to include my Ph.D. in it (though it seems like bragging)		Mar 08 11:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] @schestowitz Thanks ;)		Mar 08 11:19
oiaohm	Wonder if MS home server will be next on the cut list	Mar 08 11:19
schestowitz	Maybe	Mar 08 11:19
schestowitz	I hear nothing about it	Mar 08 11:19
schestowitz	As in, I come across nothing about it in feeds	Mar 08 11:19
schestowitz	Even HP still uses Debian	Mar 08 11:19
schestowitz	HP was the main partner for WHS	Mar 08 11:20
oiaohm	Server department taking cuts is a worry.	Mar 08 11:22
tessier__	schestowitz: Did you recently finish your PhD?	Mar 08 11:25
schestowitz	tessier__: I haven't done much for years	Mar 08 11:27
schestowitz	I wrote much of it in 20067	Mar 08 11:27
schestowitz	I wrote much of it in 2006	Mar 08 11:27
tessier__	For some reason I thought you were a grad student still	Mar 08 11:27
schestowitz	Not really	Mar 08 11:27
DaemonFC	schestowitz, I have a copy of that	Mar 08 11:28
DaemonFC	Windows Home Server	Mar 08 11:28
schestowitz	I'm hoping to carry on with BN	Mar 08 11:28
schestowitz	DaemonFC: with patches?	Mar 08 11:28
schestowitz	It has data loss issues	Mar 08 11:28
schestowitz	Since 2007	Mar 08 11:28
schestowitz	In June 2008 they brought patches	Mar 08 11:28
DaemonFC	I dunno, I haven't used it much	Mar 08 11:28
schestowitz	Like 7 months after they found out they were selling data shredders	Mar 08 11:28
schestowitz	Off the shelf	Mar 08 11:28
schestowitz	No patches	Mar 08 11:28
DaemonFC	seems kind of craptastic even for them	Mar 08 11:29
DaemonFC	I have Windows Server 2008 R2 anyway	Mar 08 11:29
schestowitz	DaemonFC: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/22/windows-data-corruption-server/ http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/12/windows-home-server-log/	Mar 08 11:29
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DaemonFC	I got it as a "bonus" with a hard drive from Newegg	Mar 08 11:30
schestowitz	It's just binaries	Mar 08 11:30
DaemonFC	Microsoft likes to dump things they can't sell	Mar 08 11:30
schestowitz	Bonus... only in the world without free code	Mar 08 11:30
schestowitz	Later I have a post about it	Mar 08 11:31
DaemonFC	yeah, just a disc in a sleeve and a serial number	Mar 08 11:31
schestowitz	They now 'donate' to a US museum of science	Mar 08 11:31
DaemonFC	literally all it is	Mar 08 11:31
schestowitz	Millions!!	Mar 08 11:31
schestowitz	In donations!!	Mar 08 11:31
schestowitz	Software only!!	Mar 08 11:31
schestowitz	"We issue a licence"	Mar 08 11:31
schestowitz	"Sign right here"	Mar 08 11:31
DaemonFC	tax writeoff	Mar 08 11:31
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: and the mueseum can refuse	Mar 08 11:31
schestowitz	Yeah, that too	Mar 08 11:31
DaemonFC	for something that cost them nothing to make	Mar 08 11:31
Diablo-D3	since they probably run linux	Mar 08 11:31
schestowitz	Diablo-D3: not if they have what Microsoft calls "fox"	Mar 08 11:32
schestowitz	They use shills that they call "insider friends"	Mar 08 11:32
schestowitz	They just need to sneak them in	Mar 08 11:32
schestowitz	For a Trojan horse that's lock-in	Mar 08 11:32
schestowitz	So their successors too are stuck	Mar 08 11:32
DaemonFC	I could kind of forgive Mono if it was just something to help make it easier to move from Windows to Linux	Mar 08 11:34
DaemonFC	like Wine	Mar 08 11:34
DaemonFC	but it's really the other way around it seems	Mar 08 11:34
Diablo-D3	well	Mar 08 11:34
Diablo-D3	its trying to use the java angle	Mar 08 11:34
Diablo-D3	write once, run everywhere	Mar 08 11:34
DaemonFC	help you depend more on .Net	Mar 08 11:34
DaemonFC	move to Windows	Mar 08 11:35
Diablo-D3	except java has worked better on a *nix than anything else	Mar 08 11:35
DaemonFC	Java runs fine on Windows	Mar 08 11:35
Diablo-D3	windows has always been a horror fest for java coders	Mar 08 11:35
DaemonFC	can't speak for OS X	Mar 08 11:35
Diablo-D3	java works great on osx	Mar 08 11:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The Court said that if software patents were granted in US and Europe, then a patent should also be allowed in Israel http://i5.be/azU		Mar 08 11:42
DaemonFC	insert Jew reference here	Mar 08 11:42
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 08 11:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fresh complaints about #Moonlight and about #Mono http://ur1.ca/orj6 #novell #silverlie #microsoft #trojan #patent #swpat		Mar 08 11:47
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, Border Patrol is hiring	Mar 08 11:47
DaemonFC	needs more people to harass obvious US citizens with "Papers please" gestapo crap while ignoring Mexican fence jumpers I guess	Mar 08 11:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] See Hacker from Close : 1 AMD Desktop, 1OLPC, 1 Dell intel core i7 and 1 benq ATOM http://post.ly/RRZK		Mar 08 11:49
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DaemonFC	"You might be surprised at how much people are willing to chip in when they can see the results and it doesn’t go to an ever-increasing black-hole of government spending…"	Mar 08 12:07
DaemonFC	You're right! Hallelujah!!! I see the light!!! Please allow me to volunteer my labor as a fireman or a garbage collector so the doctors and lawyers in this town don't have to pay taxes! Where do I sign? No better yet...pulls down pants and bends over you sign right there. :)	Mar 08 12:07
DaemonFC	the reply is mine :)	Mar 08 12:07
DaemonFC	that wasn't all of it, but the best part I think	Mar 08 12:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Parliament wants you to use Facebook in order to participate in the debate, where are we going?: http://i5.be/azV		Mar 08 12:16
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DaemonFC	http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703862704575099832389494288.html	Mar 08 12:28
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DaemonFC	http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704869304575104124088312524.html	Mar 08 12:30
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DaemonFC	all of Chrome's growth came at Firefox's expense this month	Mar 08 12:35
DaemonFC	IE is steady	Mar 08 12:35
oiaohm	Next month is the interesting one.	Mar 08 12:36
oiaohm	http://delimiter.com.au/2010/03/08/victoria-expands-linux-e-voting-rollout/ This is interesting	Mar 08 12:42
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schestowitz	Quick	Mar 08 12:51
schestowitz	Where is the SCO trial	Mar 08 12:51
schestowitz	Was it Cali?	Mar 08 12:51
schestowitz	Or Utah?	Mar 08 12:51
DaemonFC	Utah	Mar 08 12:51
schestowitz	Thanks!	Mar 08 12:52
schestowitz	For sure?	Mar 08 12:52
schestowitz	Today's too?	Mar 08 12:52
DaemonFC	yes	Mar 08 12:52
DaemonFC	don't know about that	Mar 08 12:52
schestowitz	Wallclimber attends sometimes	Mar 08 12:52
schestowitz	She hasn't been here for a while in IRC	Mar 08 12:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What Would Happen to “Boycott #Novell ” If Novell Was Sold in Pieces http://ur1.ca/orop		Mar 08 12:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SCO ’s Latest Cash Infusion and Urgent Call for Volunteers to Attend Trial Today (Utah) http://ur1.ca/orot		Mar 08 12:57
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Diablo-D3	BoycottTheEntireIndustry	Mar 08 12:57
Diablo-D3	lol	Mar 08 12:57
DaemonFC	heh, I filled some potholes in the alley with Jabba's old cat litter	Mar 08 13:13
*DaemonFC is tired of hitting those		Mar 08 13:13
schestowitz	What a waste in Digg... I have about 3,000 'friends' there and I don't post there anymore	Mar 08 13:14
schestowitz	Diablo-D3: never implied	Mar 08 13:14
schestowitz	Diablo-D3: boycott address behaviours	Mar 08 13:14
schestowitz	*boycotts	Mar 08 13:14
schestowitz	To change them	Mar 08 13:14
DaemonFC	http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1425/1000542b.jpg	Mar 08 13:16
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DaemonFC	Street dept. volunteer assigned to potholes	Mar 08 13:16
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 08 13:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @eduvid See Hacker from Close : 1 AMD Desktop, 1OLPC, 1 Dell intel core i7 and 1 benq ATOM http://post.ly/RRZK		Mar 08 13:17
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DaemonFC	http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8555018.stm	Mar 08 13:23
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DaemonFC	MinceR, Friend of yours?	Mar 08 13:39
DaemonFC	ahhh. more alka seltzers	Mar 08 13:42
schestowitz	DaemonFC: you photograph your lunch?	Mar 08 13:45
DaemonFC	huh?	Mar 08 13:45
schestowitz	I'm kidding.	Mar 08 13:45
schestowitz	He's obese	Mar 08 13:45
DaemonFC	yeah, big kitty	Mar 08 13:45
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, The human shelter said they found him out wandering around	Mar 08 13:46
DaemonFC	he had a name tag on that said Yul	Mar 08 13:46
DaemonFC	but I renamed him Jabba	Mar 08 13:46
DaemonFC	*humane shelter	Mar 08 13:47
schestowitz	:-D	Mar 08 13:47
schestowitz	Wow. I haven't blogged in 3 months.......	Mar 08 13:47
DaemonFC	he can move though	Mar 08 13:48
DaemonFC	he got out the door one day a few years ago and I ended up chasing him for several blocks	Mar 08 13:48
DaemonFC	found him hiding in a bush	Mar 08 13:48
DaemonFC	schestowitz, http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3449/20100220122624.jpg	Mar 08 13:51
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DaemonFC	I did take a picture of my lunch one day	Mar 08 13:51
DaemonFC	I haven't gone back to Pizza Hut for a salad in a while though cause I got a migraine headache one night and puked it all back up	Mar 08 13:52
DaemonFC	but I will go back there eventually	Mar 08 13:53
DaemonFC	that's one of my favorite things to make a meal of	Mar 08 13:53
DaemonFC	schestowitz, That's another reason I like extra strength alka seltzers so much	Mar 08 13:53
DaemonFC	they kick in fast and take the edge off a migraine	Mar 08 13:54
DaemonFC	I'm prone to migraines and have a medicine cabinet full of every kind of pain pill, I'm partial to aspirin though because it works best	Mar 08 13:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] A question for British people only. When talking/thinking/looking at items to be discarded. Do you say/think/imagine "Trash" or "Rubbish" ?		Mar 08 13:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Update to my personal site, microblogging feeds http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/03/08/update-to-site-microblogging/		Mar 08 14:01
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MinceR	DaemonFC: no	Mar 08 14:01
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 08 14:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Missed my 6:30 bus. Now in 7:15 shuttle.		Mar 08 14:07
schestowitz	DaemonFC: you turned salad to a pile of lard	Mar 08 14:09
schestowitz	Salads don't taste nice	Mar 08 14:09
DaemonFC	hehe	Mar 08 14:09
schestowitz	Unless you make s/t else out of them	Mar 08 14:09
schestowitz	"I just had the salad......"	Mar 08 14:09
DaemonFC	uhhm, there was some egg and bacon bits in there	Mar 08 14:09
DaemonFC	poppyseed dressing	Mar 08 14:09
schestowitz	" ....... with mayo, an croutons, and chicken pieces, etc..."	Mar 08 14:10
schestowitz	People fool themselves	Mar 08 14:10
schestowitz	"I just had the salad......"	Mar 08 14:10
MinceR	(animated) http://separi.wippiespace.com/img/25596.gif	Mar 08 14:10
DaemonFC	it's better than most of what I eat	Mar 08 14:10
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DaemonFC	I'll just go with that	Mar 08 14:10
schestowitz	Burger King could improve the image of its nutrition	Mar 08 14:10
schestowitz	Wrap burgers in lettuce	Mar 08 14:10
schestowitz	"I just had some lettuce.. with fillings	Mar 08 14:11
DaemonFC	schestowitz, People do the damage to themselves	Mar 08 14:11
DaemonFC	getting rid of supersized fries isn't going to stop that	Mar 08 14:11
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Omar87	Hi all.	Mar 08 14:12
DaemonFC	some asshole makes a "documentary" where he forces himself to overeat at every meal and then omg, son of a bitch!	Mar 08 14:12
DaemonFC	he gains weight at the end	Mar 08 14:12
DaemonFC	shock	Mar 08 14:12
DaemonFC	schestowitz, "Super Size Me" shows what a lack of journalistic integrity passes for a "documentary"	Mar 08 14:13
MinceR	i thought the point was that people really do regularly eat fast food for lunch	Mar 08 14:14
MinceR	in jesusland	Mar 08 14:14
DaemonFC	MinceR, Not like that	Mar 08 14:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Thanks everyone.Now as @sil @grahambinns figured this is on a computer.Would you still say "Rubbish" on a computer desktop?		Mar 08 14:16
DaemonFC	the guy went to such extremes MinceR	Mar 08 14:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] This is not 'What is it called where you are', but 'What should the dustbin be called on a computer'		Mar 08 14:17
DaemonFC	it's like Russian Roulette with six loaded chambers	Mar 08 14:17
DaemonFC	lol	Mar 08 14:17
oiaohm	You can still by pure luck live threw that.	Mar 08 14:19
oiaohm	Not all rounds work.	Mar 08 14:19
DaemonFC	MinceR, If you eat three meals a day of the biggest things on the menu, regular soda, chocolate shakes, etc.	Mar 08 14:19
DaemonFC	you WILL gain LOTS of weight	Mar 08 14:19
DaemonFC	what else could possibly happen?	Mar 08 14:19
MinceR	no contest there	Mar 08 14:19
MinceR	but the question is, do people really do that?	Mar 08 14:20
oiaohm	Death DaemonFC	Mar 08 14:20
DaemonFC	MinceR, A few extreme cases maybe	Mar 08 14:20
DaemonFC	you see the occasional hippo lady at Walmart	Mar 08 14:20
DaemonFC	riding around one of the electric scooter carts	Mar 08 14:20
DaemonFC	I call them the fatmobile	Mar 08 14:21
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 08 14:21
MinceR	:D	Mar 08 14:21
DaemonFC	MinceR, I actually got chewed out one day at Walmart (when I was an hourly, before I was a manager there)	Mar 08 14:21
DaemonFC	cause I saw one of them coming and said "Run, it's Godzilla!'	Mar 08 14:22
DaemonFC	not loud enough for her to hear, but one of the management suckups decided to report it	Mar 08 14:22
DaemonFC	MinceR, I can understand being 20-30 pounds overweight	Mar 08 14:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: #TiVo Wins, #VirnetX vs #Microsoft Decision Imminent, Patent Rackets Thrive http://ur1.ca/orvs		Mar 08 14:24
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DaemonFC	those woman are more like 100 pounds or more overweight	Mar 08 14:24
DaemonFC	actually, probably more like 150 or more	Mar 08 14:24
DaemonFC	if they're riding the fatmobile around Walmart	Mar 08 14:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Don't run #Apache on #Windows , people. Eva. http://ur1.ca/orw9		Mar 08 14:27
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DaemonFC	I used to run Apache on Windows 2000	Mar 08 14:29
oiaohm	http://www.osnews.com/story/22969/MS_Shows_Same_Game_Running_on_Windows_Phone_Xbox More limited platform methods	Mar 08 14:35
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schestowitz	Seen that	Mar 08 14:43
schestowitz	It's a yawner	Mar 08 14:43
schestowitz	I'm gonna write about phones shortly	Mar 08 14:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] For those wondering why I asked Trash/Rubbish:- http://bit.ly/9Qtpax I don't understand how the stats @mpt has can be 'wrong'.		Mar 08 14:44
schestowitz	Microsoft messed it up	Mar 08 14:44
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schestowitz	It tosses away all old apps	Mar 08 14:44
schestowitz	I showed you yesterday when I come to think of it	Mar 08 14:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Message to #Microsoft : Dumping of Zeros and Ones is Not a Donation http://ur1.ca/os02 #boston #fsf #museum		Mar 08 14:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] EPO nominating a software patent proponent and enforcer in the name of Peter Landrock (Cryptomathic): http://i5.be/azY http://i5.be/azX		Mar 08 15:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] In favour of software patents: http://i5.be/az0		Mar 08 15:09
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lyle	I gotta head out in a sec	Mar 08 15:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] good! uk paper driver licence ok in australia, with passport! may use bro-in-law's car too, save on hiring. no idea date yet though.		Mar 08 15:14
lyle	but thought you should know, Jeff Jaffe (old CEO of Novell) just became CEO of the w3c	Mar 08 15:14
lyle	http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20000131-264.html	Mar 08 15:15
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lyle	er, I guess he was CTO (not CEO) of Novell	Mar 08 15:15
schestowitz	Yes, I know	Mar 08 15:16
schestowitz	He's a swpats fan	Mar 08 15:16
schestowitz	I have a post on it coming	Mar 08 15:16
lyle	ah, ok	Mar 08 15:16
DaemonFC	Our Chamber of Commerce president is stepping down and taking credit for "creating jobs" on the way out even though our unemployment rate locally is over double where it was in 2007	Mar 08 15:17
lyle	speaking of patents	Mar 08 15:17
lyle	what happens to novell's patents if they get bought by elliot?	Mar 08 15:17
DaemonFC	and the only reason those jobs came is because the companies don't have to pay any taxes to reside here	Mar 08 15:18
lyle	and elliot sells bits and pieces	Mar 08 15:18
oiaohm	Highest bidder lyle	Mar 08 15:18
lyle	could spell trouble for linux	Mar 08 15:18
oiaohm	Not really.	Mar 08 15:18
oiaohm	Anyone trying to use them could find them in a world of trouble.	Mar 08 15:18
lyle	not if patent trolls get them	Mar 08 15:19
oiaohm	Since Novell signed a legally binding agreement covering all there patents.	Mar 08 15:19
DaemonFC	I wonder if there are any HUD dollar homes here	Mar 08 15:19
lyle	oiaohm: where?	Mar 08 15:19
DaemonFC	the banks have foreclosed on everyone, so maybe	Mar 08 15:19
oiaohm	So they cannot be used against open source ever.	Mar 08 15:19
lyle	no, you are thinking of the patents they gave to OIN	Mar 08 15:19
lyle	but they didn't give all of theirs to OIN	Mar 08 15:19
oiaohm	Part of the OIN agreement	Mar 08 15:19
oiaohm	To have a seat on there.	Mar 08 15:20
oiaohm	It not just give patents lyle	Mar 08 15:20
lyle	ok, but they won't be Novell's patents once they are sold to a patent troll	Mar 08 15:20
oiaohm	Now those patents being used against Microsoft and other closed source companies would not be in breach.	Mar 08 15:20
lyle	and the patent troll will not have agreed	Mar 08 15:20
lyle	that agreement only states that Novell won't sue	Mar 08 15:21
oiaohm	Even when sold the take out of the patent agreements still stand unless those agreements expires.	Mar 08 15:21
oiaohm	The oin agreement does not have an expirely.	Mar 08 15:21
oiaohm	The Microsoft one does.	Mar 08 15:21
lyle	well, I don't have time to talk about this atm	Mar 08 15:22
lyle	gotta run to class	Mar 08 15:22
lyle	bye	Mar 08 15:22
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DaemonFC	I might search for a rent to own deal on a house	Mar 08 15:24
DaemonFC	beats signing a loan	Mar 08 15:24
oiaohm	The big thing most people are not aware is the OIN agreement also covers patent sales.	Mar 08 15:25
oiaohm	IBM writing agreements does a great job.	Mar 08 15:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] OggCamp GGW - Geeks Gone Wild - FLMGO (For Like Minded Geeks Only) lol		Mar 08 15:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] It is becoming impossible to invent new services on the web without the permission of a patent holder http://i5.be/az2		Mar 08 15:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] More police raids to fight patent infringers, or 51 exhibitors busted for patent infringement at CEBIT: http://i5.be/az3		Mar 08 15:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] More police raids to fight patent infringers, or 51 exhibitors busted for patent infringement at CEBIT: http://i5.be/az4		Mar 08 15:53
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Ender2070	I found a political party I can stand behind, finally	Mar 08 15:53
Ender2070	http://www.pirateparty.ca/	Mar 08 15:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Haiti among dozens of countries where #US & others daily dump huge amounts of unlabelled toxic waste http://bit.ly/aMAp6j #pollution #crime		Mar 08 15:54
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DaemonFC	http://www.pirate-party.us/	Mar 08 15:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Apple calls the German police to stop alledged patented products: http://i5.be/az5		Mar 08 16:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Invaded by #Microsoft : Middle East, MOD Systems, #NComputing , and Move http://ur1.ca/os81 #hr		Mar 08 16:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz Invaded by #Microsoft: Middle East, MOD Systems, #NComputing & Move http://ur1.ca/os81 #hr // everyone pays for this lunacy		Mar 08 16:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Few seem to realise how far women's rights have already backslid in the West, & would slide further if the loony right gets a say. #feminism		Mar 08 16:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@RyanMcGreal Wait, what? Sarah Palin used to cross the border for Canadian health care. http://is.gd/9XU36 // wouldn't you? :) #hcr #gop		Mar 08 16:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #W3C Poisoned by Promoters of #SoftwarePatents Who Attack #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/oscw #swpat #novell		Mar 08 16:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] building machines to kill people, as best we can, selling them, for as much as we can		Mar 08 16:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "it's what we do," here in the 21st century. killin' machines.		Mar 08 16:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] ick, must have forgotten to block @ migueldeicaza. got hit with an RT. Fixed. #microsoft #corruption #mono		Mar 08 16:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] You know something's wrong when u dream about Bill Gates. I grabbed the grey beret off his head & smacked him in the face with it #microsoft		Mar 08 16:39
DaemonFC	http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/15/AR2010021501410.html	Mar 08 16:40
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DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 08 16:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Today, the advice to Benjamin Braddock is: "UAVs." #war #business		Mar 08 16:41
DaemonFC	Go ahead punk, make my day!	Mar 08 16:41
DaemonFC	:D	Mar 08 16:41
DaemonFC	I'd never own a revolver anyway	Mar 08 16:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] W3C hijacked by software patent proponents: http://i5.be/az6		Mar 08 16:43
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DaemonFC	they blow powder all over the place and they're impossible to silence	Mar 08 16:43
DaemonFC	well, I take that back, I did have a revolver, I got it for free, and I sold it	Mar 08 16:44
DaemonFC	though I did use it for target shooting a few times	Mar 08 16:44
MinceR	they also can shoot very few shots before reloading :>	Mar 08 16:44
DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_&_Wesson_Model_60	Mar 08 16:45
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DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.357_Magnum	Mar 08 16:46
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DaemonFC	these things penetrate	Mar 08 16:47
DaemonFC	that's about the only good thing you can say for them	Mar 08 16:47
DaemonFC	feels like you're shooting an elephant gun	Mar 08 16:47
DaemonFC	you're basically trading accuracy for brute force if you choose these over these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38_Special	Mar 08 16:48
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DaemonFC	the .38 special rounds are probably a better idea	Mar 08 16:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] US Patent Reform promoting cheap patents, good rebate for patent trolls, 75% price reduction: http://i5.be/az7		Mar 08 16:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple the Bully Goes Hunting for #Patent 'Violators' With the #Sisvel Army http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/08/using-the-sisvel-army/		Mar 08 16:51
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DaemonFC	MinceR, I still favor the Hi Point .40 S&W	Mar 08 16:51
DaemonFC	it's tacky, but damn if it doesn't work well	Mar 08 16:51
DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Point_Model_40SW	Mar 08 16:51
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DaemonFC	it's my baby :)	Mar 08 16:52
DaemonFC	light, almost no kickback, good stopping power, reliable, and very cheap	Mar 08 16:53
DaemonFC	if you're only going to have one handgun, I'd say get this	Mar 08 16:53
DaemonFC	MinceR, the .40 S&W is used extensively by the police and FBI	Mar 08 16:56
DaemonFC	and I can kind of see why	Mar 08 16:56
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #nowplaying "yaarai keetu enthan nengil idapakkam nee thaan nulaidhayo?" ~ Boys #ARR		Mar 08 16:57
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DaemonFC	hmmm, that's odd	Mar 08 17:02
DaemonFC	this place has .357 rounds cheaper than .38 Special +P	Mar 08 17:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@daveweigel This Palin quote -seemingly- endorses Canadian health care http://bit.ly/9giGyh //golly gee, back then, Canadia wasn't Soviet!!		Mar 08 17:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@splorp splorp I wonder what else @google fucked up overnight? // I think /. has a story on it #appengine		Mar 08 17:06
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MinceR	http://entresminutos.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/religion-ballot-screen/	Mar 08 17:12
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DaemonFC	MinceR, http://www.huntington.in.us/egov/docs/123542846396.htm	Mar 08 17:15
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DaemonFC	All Indiana carry licenses now allow you to carry it concealed too	Mar 08 17:16
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 08 17:16
MinceR	good for you	Mar 08 17:16
DaemonFC	I still won't, makes it harder to reach for	Mar 08 17:17
FurnaceBoy	you use it a lot in public?	Mar 08 17:17
FurnaceBoy	or are you talking about your dick?	Mar 08 17:17
DaemonFC	FurnaceBoy, Usually whenever I go somewhere	Mar 08 17:18
DaemonFC	you must have missed the conversation	Mar 08 17:18
FurnaceBoy	i mean "reach for it," obviously	Mar 08 17:18
FurnaceBoy	no, i didn't miss: "DaemonFC \| All Indiana carry licenses now allow you to carry it concealed too"	Mar 08 17:18
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC \| I still won't, makes it harder to reach for	Mar 08 17:18
FurnaceBoy	you reach for it frequently?	Mar 08 17:18
DaemonFC	ahhh, I mean I don't want to need it and double the time it takes to unholster it	Mar 08 17:19
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 08 17:19
FurnaceBoy	why not?	Mar 08 17:19
DaemonFC	of course	Mar 08 17:19
FurnaceBoy	i knew what you meant	Mar 08 17:19
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FurnaceBoy	just can't figure out why this is an actual daily issu	Mar 08 17:19
FurnaceBoy	e	Mar 08 17:19
DaemonFC	cause I might need to shoot someone and not get to it in time	Mar 08 17:19
FurnaceBoy	ahh	Mar 08 17:19
DaemonFC	and they kill me instead	Mar 08 17:19
FurnaceBoy	wow, where do you live, Somalia?	Mar 08 17:19
DaemonFC	no, there I'd have an AK-47 and hijack ships	Mar 08 17:20
DaemonFC	just not US ships	Mar 08 17:20
FurnaceBoy	maybe you should fix up your country instead of contributing to the problem	Mar 08 17:20
DaemonFC	because the US would fucking kill me and rescue the hostages	Mar 08 17:20
DaemonFC	Europe just pays whatever I demand	Mar 08 17:20
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 08 17:20
DaemonFC	I'm a smart pirate	Mar 08 17:21
DaemonFC	or you know, the US would gouge out my eyeballs and skullfuck me before unscrewing my head and shitting down my Somali pirate neck	Mar 08 17:21
FurnaceBoy	fantasy	Mar 08 17:21
FurnaceBoy	keep it to yourself	Mar 08 17:21
DaemonFC	while Europe is a bunch of pussies that will pay me to go away, for now	Mar 08 17:22
FurnaceBoy	your problem is wayyyy too much Hollywood	Mar 08 17:22
DaemonFC	nah, there was only one surviving pirate from the group that took that US ship	Mar 08 17:22
DaemonFC	and he apparently thought we were taking him to disney land and not prison	Mar 08 17:22
DaemonFC	(probably same thing when you're from Somalia)	Mar 08 17:23
DaemonFC	to quote Al Bundy "Congratulations, you just won an all expense paid trip to Disney Fist!" whack	Mar 08 17:24
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 08 17:24
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DaemonFC	FurnaceBoy, Name one instance where the EU just shot them and rescued the crew vs. giving in to the demands, paying the ransom, and having another ship hijacked tomorrow	Mar 08 17:25
DaemonFC	that's right, you can't	Mar 08 17:25
DaemonFC	when you reward them, they come back	Mar 08 17:26
DaemonFC	it's like me spraying those raccoons out foraging through my garbage with vinegar in the eyes	Mar 08 17:26
DaemonFC	they learn that they got pwned and don't come back	Mar 08 17:27
DaemonFC	they're not stupid	Mar 08 17:27
DaemonFC	if I fed them, they would come back and bring their friends	Mar 08 17:27
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Ender2070_	[12:03] <MinceR> http://entresminutos.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/religion-ballot-screen/	Mar 08 17:36
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Ender2070_	either him or wordpress made it difficult to actually save the image	Mar 08 17:36
Ender2070_	without getting a 404 html file	Mar 08 17:36
MinceR	i clicked it, got a full-sized image, then saved it and succeeded	Mar 08 17:37
MinceR	(i suspected correctly that the original image was available)	Mar 08 17:37
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Ender2070_	whenever i try to save it in firefox it tries to save an html file	Mar 08 17:38
Ender2070_	i had to save it to clipboard and paste it in kolourpaint	Mar 08 17:38
Ender2070_	i can view it in ff though	Mar 08 17:39
Ender2070_	i just wanted my own copy	Mar 08 17:39
MinceR	perhaps a script is messing with it -- i've blocked them via NoScript	Mar 08 17:39
Ender2070_	perhaps	Mar 08 17:40
Ender2070_	i even grabbed the url and tried wget	Mar 08 17:40
scientes	what of note has happened in lst few weeks?	Mar 08 17:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Good morning you wonderful Internet people!		Mar 08 17:43
Ender2070_	umm	Mar 08 17:43
Ender2070_	ubisoft released a fail game	Mar 08 17:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] One call down, seven to go.		Mar 08 17:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Good luck! ♺ @webmink: Today is my Last Day of employment At Sun: (well, it became Oracle on March 1st in the UK but.. http://bit.ly/bDRtkM		Mar 08 17:44
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scientes	i don't pay attention to games	Mar 08 17:44
scientes	even blizzard isn't that good anymore	Mar 08 17:44
scientes	since being bought by vivindi mega-corp that is involved in water privitization	Mar 08 17:44
Ender2070_	im just looking at my blog	Mar 08 17:45
scientes	how they milk WoW	Mar 08 17:45
scientes	instead of making better	Mar 08 17:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Bleeding continues: @webmink is leaving s/SUN/Oracle/ today. After an excellent work, I can only wish him the best of luck for the future!		Mar 08 17:46
scientes	Yes men culture that pervades most productions	Mar 08 17:46
scientes	and ruins it	Mar 08 17:46
Ender2070_	Nervous system manipulation by electromagnetic fields from monitors - US Patent, School Administrator Brags about Laptop Spying, Lefty from ACCESS accuses Richard Stallman of rape advocacy, Chip based Debit Cards - DEFEATED, KDE 4.4 Final in Fedora 12	Mar 08 17:46
Ender2070_	some of my headlines	Mar 08 17:46
scientes	meh KDE 4.4	Mar 08 17:47
scientes	whats new?	Mar 08 17:47
Ender2070_	you should check BN, and goblins site for more variety	Mar 08 17:47
Ender2070_	here	Mar 08 17:47
Ender2070_	http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/16	Mar 08 17:47
scientes	linux 2.6.33 looked cool	Mar 08 17:47
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scientes	http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_33	Mar 08 17:47
Ender2070_	screenshots of some of the new features	Mar 08 17:47
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scientes	esp drdb and nouveau	Mar 08 17:47
Ender2070_	ignore that part about it being in kde-unstable though, they pushed it to regular updates	Mar 08 17:47
Ender2070_	in fedora	Mar 08 17:47
scientes	what about the netbook UI?	Mar 08 17:48
scientes	it is really buggy in ubuntu 9.10	Mar 08 17:48
Ender2070_	oh I never tried it	Mar 08 17:48
Ender2070_	i dont have a netbook	Mar 08 17:48
scientes	also i'm still waiting for a good poulsbo driver	Mar 08 17:49
Ender2070_	everything is buggy in microbuntu	Mar 08 17:49
scientes	meh, sortof	Mar 08 17:49
scientes	they were the only one that had packaged it	Mar 08 17:49
Ender2070_	bs	Mar 08 17:49
scientes	intel released the Z520 which has a propritary graphics chip	Mar 08 17:49
MinceR	blizzard used to be good? that's new.	Mar 08 17:49
Ender2070_	fedora would've had it if it was out	Mar 08 17:49
scientes	MinceR, wut	Mar 08 17:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post "Hacker Medley Podcast" (mini review) http://bit.ly/9Xd0YD		Mar 08 17:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apache Shows Why #GNU #Linux is Safer Than #Microsoft #Windows http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/08/battery-chargers-and-malware/		Mar 08 17:50
Ender2070_	ubuntu mangled pulseaudio and pissed off the author of it	Mar 08 17:50
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scientes	<Ender2070_> ubuntu mangled pulseaudio and pissed off the author of it	Mar 08 17:50
scientes	agreed	Mar 08 17:50
Ender2070_	redhat hired him	Mar 08 17:50
scientes	I always have to reinstall ALSA, which they have basically depricayed	Mar 08 17:50
MinceR	did they ever manage to make a good game? (game, not a bunch of good graphics and/or sounds on top of click-on-the-monster disguised as random genre)	Mar 08 17:50
scientes	they even removed <10k of really essential alsa tools	Mar 08 17:50
Ender2070_	mincer - its blizzard ;)	Mar 08 17:50
scientes	that you have to manually reinstall to get alsa working	Mar 08 17:50
scientes	its a PITA	Mar 08 17:51
MinceR	Ender2070_: yeah, my fault for asking. :>	Mar 08 17:51
Ender2070_	scientes - well if you try fedora it has an excellent sound control panel for it that i haven't seen in other distros	Mar 08 17:51
scientes	I like debian	Mar 08 17:51
Ender2070_	scientes - called "PulseAudio Control Panel" and it gives you full control of everything	Mar 08 17:51
scientes	and ill see if apt-cacher-ng works with rpms	Mar 08 17:51
MinceR	there is a control panel for APP, isn't there?	Mar 08 17:51
scientes	but i really like debian package control	Mar 08 17:51
MinceR	even in debian/ubuntu, except not installed by default	Mar 08 17:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #US-run #torture & #rendition program in operation decades before abuses of the Bush admin #cia #war #gtmo #crime http://bit.ly/bVgf5M		Mar 08 17:52
Ender2070_	mincer - blizzard loves to sit on games and just milk them till they slow down	Mar 08 17:52
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scientes	but i think i'll move to debian	Mar 08 17:52
MinceR	iirc someone mentioned it here	Mar 08 17:52
scientes	the timed releases are cool	Mar 08 17:52
MinceR	Ender2070_: they seem to only milk the hype	Mar 08 17:52
scientes	Ender2070_, use to	Mar 08 17:52
scientes	I mean	Mar 08 17:52
Ender2070_	mincer - blizzard sat on starcraft for years before wc3	Mar 08 17:52
scientes	<Ender2070_> mincer - blizzard loves to sit on games and just milk them till they slow down	Mar 08 17:52
Ender2070_	sat on wc3 for years before wow	Mar 08 17:52
scientes	thats really just WoW	Mar 08 17:52
Ender2070_	nah	Mar 08 17:52
scientes	the rest of the games are one-time purchaces	Mar 08 17:52
Ender2070_	people still play starcraft	Mar 08 17:53
MinceR	Ender2070_: all their "RTS"es sucked heavily	Mar 08 17:53
scientes	so they dont make any money off people still playing it	Mar 08 17:53
Ender2070_	sure they do	Mar 08 17:53
scientes	and its only <$20 a copy	Mar 08 17:53
Ender2070_	the in-game lobby still has advertisements	Mar 08 17:53
scientes	thats hardluy anything	Mar 08 17:53
scientes	and it just advertised WoW	Mar 08 17:53
Ender2070_	it sold books, etc too	Mar 08 17:53
scientes	WoW is very differnt	Mar 08 17:53
Ender2070_	yeah	Mar 08 17:53
scientes	<Ender2070_> it sold books, etc too	Mar 08 17:53
Ender2070_	wow is world of warcrack	Mar 08 17:53
scientes	meh, that seemed like a boardroom thing	Mar 08 17:54
scientes	vivendi bs	Mar 08 17:54
Ender2070_	thats a weird xchat bug	Mar 08 17:54
scientes	D3 looks like it will be far too arcade style	Mar 08 17:54
Ender2070_	heh	Mar 08 17:54
MinceR	what's "far too arcade style" for blizzard?	Mar 08 17:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @KagroX Palin "used to hustle over the border for health care..in Canada..now, isn't that ironic" // no, it's dishonest hypocrisy #hcr		Mar 08 17:55
scientes	and SC3 doesn't even have LAN play cause vivendi wants to completely control multiplayer	Mar 08 17:55
Ender2070_	lets see, starcraft and c&c tiberian sun competed	Mar 08 17:55
Ender2070_	by the time wc3 came out, westwood had released emporer: battle for dune, red alert 2 and were working on generals	Mar 08 17:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @KagroX Palin "we used to hustle over the border for health care..in #Canada" /how many Canadians did she see heading the other way? #hcr		Mar 08 17:56
scientes	the blizzard RTS have always had better approachability	Mar 08 17:56
scientes	and less neurotic	Mar 08 17:56
Ender2070_	nahhh	Mar 08 17:56
Ender2070_	i hate them	Mar 08 17:57
scientes	but i dont thing SC2 will be any good	Mar 08 17:57
Ender2070_	too much micro management required	Mar 08 17:57
MinceR	yes, if by "better approachability" you mean "no need to think, just click-click-click"	Mar 08 17:57
scientes	lol	Mar 08 17:57
Ender2070_	having to harvest several different types of resources sucks	Mar 08 17:57
scientes	lol	Mar 08 17:57
MinceR	less unit types, lower unit limits, pathetic controls, lots of micromanagement, almost nothing else	Mar 08 17:57
scientes	you just want domination	Mar 08 17:57
Ender2070_	i like the c&c games better	Mar 08 17:57
scientes	something like AOE4	Mar 08 17:57
Ender2070_	you harvest ore, or tiberium	Mar 08 17:58
scientes	which i find boring	Mar 08 17:58
MinceR	i prefer TA	Mar 08 17:58
scientes	too calculated	Mar 08 17:58
Ender2070_	TA?	Mar 08 17:58
MinceR	(still didn't find the time to try SupCom)	Mar 08 17:58
MinceR	Total Annihilation	Mar 08 17:58
MinceR	(or Spring with the XTA mod)	Mar 08 17:58
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Ender2070_	looks interesting actually	Mar 08 18:01
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MinceR	among other things, it adds a freely movable camera and a heat map of metal distribution	Mar 08 18:02
MinceR	(the latter makes it much easier to place metal extractors correctly :> )	Mar 08 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] About to announce the winners of the Ubuntu International Women's Day Competition live at http://tinyurl.com/d5v4xg #ubuntu		Mar 08 18:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I enjoyed watching Rey Mysterio deliver a nice bowl of misery to the Straight Edge Society last Friday! xD #WWE #Smackdown		Mar 08 18:32
Ender2070_	OH FUCK	Mar 08 18:32
Ender2070_	Now MS has ex-novell staff running the w3c	Mar 08 18:32
Ender2070_	http://twitter.com/stonemirror/status/10180073936	Mar 08 18:32
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Ender2070_	Nat Friedman	Mar 08 18:32
Ender2070_	oh no	Mar 08 18:32
Ender2070_	Jeff Jaffe	Mar 08 18:32
Omar87	Hi all.	Mar 08 18:33
Ender2070_	http://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/10167420001	Mar 08 18:33
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Ender2070_	Omar87 - web standards are going to die now	Mar 08 18:33
Omar87	Guys, ya know something? With every passing day, I keep finding more evidence that we the BN community are absolutely on the right track by fighting Novell and their M$-Mono scam.	Mar 08 18:34
Omar87	Ender2070, thanks to Billy Gates and his clown Steve Ballmer.	Mar 08 18:35
Omar87	For example, earlier today, a friend of mine who's a staunch Microsoft pawn, wants to try Linux. And guess what distro he has chosen..	Mar 08 18:36
MinceR	they're not the only ones killing web standards	Mar 08 18:36
MinceR	crApple, google and Nokia are assisting	Mar 08 18:36
Omar87	MinceR, I know.	Mar 08 18:36
Ender2070_	oh now they are LITERALLY doing it	Mar 08 18:36
Ender2070_	i bet they wont add anything not in IE9	Mar 08 18:36
Omar87	Even Google?	Mar 08 18:36
Ender2070_	Google follows standards	Mar 08 18:37
Ender2070_	chromium passed acid3 100/100	Mar 08 18:37
MinceR	their web apps don't follow standards	Mar 08 18:37
MinceR	see google fail as an example	Mar 08 18:37
Omar87	Ender2070, I bet IE passed acid3 -100/100. :P	Mar 08 18:37
MinceR	also, they killed ogg from html5	Mar 08 18:37
MinceR	oops, they didn't remove it from there, just are opposing it now	Mar 08 18:38
MinceR	nokia and crApple acted in time, and google joined the anti-ogg group only recently	Mar 08 18:38
Omar87	MinceR, they are opposing ogg??	Mar 08 18:38
Ender2070_	no	Mar 08 18:38
Ender2070_	firefox doesnt even pass acid3	Mar 08 18:39
MinceR	Omar87: yes	Mar 08 18:39
Omar87	MinceR, okay, this sucks.	Mar 08 18:39
Ender2070_	IE doesnt even come close	Mar 08 18:39
MinceR	Omar87: youtube doesn't support it in html5, only h.264	Mar 08 18:39
Ender2070_	at least Google isn't novell	Mar 08 18:39
Omar87	MinceR, Youtube is a very notorious website when it comes to providing support for open formats.	Mar 08 18:40
MinceR	yes, and it's google	Mar 08 18:41
Ender2070_	http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/25	Mar 08 18:41
Omar87	MinceR, exactly.	Mar 08 18:41
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Omar87	MinceR, that's one of the main reason why I hate and extremely oppose the "Corporate" way of doing things.	Mar 08 18:42
Omar87	MinceR, most/all corporations are more than ready to commit massacres if it's gonna make them good profit, let alone breaking some web standards.	Mar 08 18:45
Omar87	"Non-profit" is the way to save this world from collapsing, imho.	Mar 08 18:45
MinceR	better be careful even with that	Mar 08 18:46
Omar87	'coz if doesn't benefit you, it won't harm you.	Mar 08 18:46
MinceR	for example, while mozilla's intentions aren't necessarily sinister, they have an interesting structure	Mar 08 18:46
MinceR	(a for-profit organization being a subsidiary of a non-profit organization or the other way around, i'm not sure)	Mar 08 18:47
Omar87	MinceR, that's why I said "most corporations".	Mar 08 18:47
MinceR	others could copy that layout	Mar 08 18:47
MinceR	then there's gates' "foundation", which is probably claimed to be non-profit	Mar 08 18:47
MinceR	oh, and of course cults are "non-profit" too	Mar 08 18:48
MinceR	so i wouldn't trust the "non-profit" label by itself	Mar 08 18:48
Omar87	MinceR, Cannonical is a for-profit that maintains an almost non-profit project, which they later injected a trojan horse into.	Mar 08 18:48
MinceR	indeed	Mar 08 18:48
Omar87	MinceR, The Gates Foundation is also an exception. It's like a Mafia agent establishing a rehab hospital for drug addicts.	Mar 08 18:50
schestowitz	W3C took acid	Mar 08 18:53
schestowitz	And it won't pass	Mar 08 18:53
Ender2070_	schestowitz - http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/25	Mar 08 18:54
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schestowitz	Yes	Mar 08 18:54
schestowitz	I read it a moment ago	Mar 08 18:54
Ender2070_	ceo of w3c	Mar 08 18:55
schestowitz	http://ur1.ca/oscw	Mar 08 18:55
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Omar87	schestowitz, W3C doesn't own acid?	Mar 08 18:56
Ender2070_	lol...	Mar 08 18:56
Ender2070_	i think he meant lsd	Mar 08 18:56
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Omar87	Uh-huh. So bottomline, all we can say now is: "RIP W3C".. -_-	Mar 08 18:57
Omar87	But then, by the collapse of W3C, what's next?	Mar 08 18:58
Ender2070_	it won't collapse but it will be infected and useless	Mar 08 18:58
DaemonFC	I suggested filing a lawsuit against IDEM and the EPA if we have to	Mar 08 18:59
DaemonFC	over them holding up the Nature's Fuel deal	Mar 08 18:59
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 08 18:59
Ender2070_	huh	Mar 08 18:59
DaemonFC	some company that wants to give us a million dollars a year and free trash pickup to let them turn garbage into fuel	Mar 08 19:00
DaemonFC	the EPA would apparently prefer us to use the current landfill than something that would actually protect the environment	Mar 08 19:03
DaemonFC	http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/03/08/1518870/california-senator-says-hes-gay.html	Mar 08 19:05
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DaemonFC	yeehaw	Mar 08 19:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft to Use #FDA Official to Take Over Patient Records in the United States http://ur1.ca/osy3 #idcards #gov		Mar 08 19:10
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Omar87	Ender2070: Actually that's even worse. Because people will continue to trust it blindly.	Mar 08 19:10
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Hmm, finally committed some stuff. App is multi threaded :P . Sadly i can't commit code from office :(		Mar 08 19:12
schestowitz	http://www.govtech.com/gt/articles/748171	Mar 08 19:13
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Omar87	Ender2070, actually the W3C has already been infected a long time ago by having one of the most famous HTML and CSS learning websites built with ASP.NET, the most notorious frameworks when it comes to standards. (i.e. www.w3cschools.com)	Mar 08 19:15
schestowitz	Symb' just keeps reannouncing news http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/symbian-throwing-largest-mobile-os-open-source-668528	Mar 08 19:15
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schestowitz	Omar87: they had CHris Wilson from MSFT	Mar 08 19:15
schestowitz	So yeah, the war on JS goes way back	Mar 08 19:15
schestowitz	W3C ACID	Mar 08 19:15
Omar87	JS?	Mar 08 19:16
Omar87	Java Script?	Mar 08 19:16
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/02/patents-drm-in-w3c/	Mar 08 19:16
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schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/05/ecmajavascript-ecma-ooxml/	Mar 08 19:16
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Omar87	schestowitz, the war against these criminal is gonna be a very long and tiring journey. :-)	Mar 08 19:16
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "Ulakathile Ivlo Ponnungal eruthum ..Na Yean Jessy ye Love Panne..?" My fav dialogue in #VTV what is yours?		Mar 08 19:17
DaemonFC	I just reported another Ubuntu bug	Mar 08 19:17
DaemonFC	yay	Mar 08 19:17
Omar87	DaemonFC, Gwibber is still problematic.	Mar 08 19:20
DaemonFC	last week it wouldn't start up at all	Mar 08 19:20
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 08 19:20
DaemonFC	haven't launched it since	Mar 08 19:20
DaemonFC	easier to just use Pidgin	Mar 08 19:20
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Omar87	DaemonFC, Gwibber is exciting, if it weren't for that stupid bug.. -_-	Mar 08 19:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Alright, so basically, now we can officially announce that the #W3C is screwed after Jeff Jaffe (AKA. Zonker) is its new CEO.		Mar 08 19:27
Omar87	schestowitz, ping	Mar 08 19:28
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schestowitz	aCK	Mar 08 19:33
Omar87	schestowitz, with every passing day, I find more evidence that we are doing the right thing by exposing Novell's crimes.	Mar 08 19:35
*schestowitz installs ekiga		Mar 08 19:36
Omar87	schestowitz: for example. Earlier tonight, a friend of mine, who's a staunch M$ kool-aider decided to try Linux. And guess which distro he'll be using..	Mar 08 19:36
schestowitz	MonoX?	Mar 08 19:36
Omar87	schestowitz, no, I mean really.. :)	Mar 08 19:36
Omar87	Which one do you think?	Mar 08 19:37
DaemonFC	GNOME 2.29.92 is starting to pour in	Mar 08 19:37
Omar87	schestowitz, OpenSuse.	Mar 08 19:37
Omar87	schestowitz, Why? "Because it's Microsoft-supported"..	Mar 08 19:38
Ender2070_	LOL	Mar 08 19:39
Omar87	Ender2070, exactly.	Mar 08 19:40
MinceR	at least he got that right	Mar 08 19:40
Omar87	Ender2070, it's really ludicrous, yet slightly sad in the same time.	Mar 08 19:40
Ender2070_	you know, MS did support Bob	Mar 08 19:40
Ender2070_	hahahaha	Mar 08 19:40
Omar87	Ender2070, MS had chew the flavor out of Novell now. And basically Novell's flavor has started to fade away, so the end it probably gonna sound like: "PTUI!!"	Mar 08 19:44
Omar87	is* probably gonna sound like...	Mar 08 19:45
MinceR	they haven't tried to cash in on the investment	Mar 08 19:45
MinceR	yet	Mar 08 19:45
Omar87	MinceR, Novell, you mean?	Mar 08 19:46
MinceR	yes	Mar 08 19:47
MinceR	more specifically, the injection of mono into gnome and some distros	Mar 08 19:47
Omar87	MinceR, I don't see how cashing in on the investment at this level's gonna do them any good.	Mar 08 19:48
Omar87	Novell's already drowning rapidly now.	Mar 08 19:48
MinceR	they could create some FUD against desktop GNU/Linux already	Mar 08 19:49
MinceR	they can't win big, of course	Mar 08 19:49
Ender2070_	novell could sue ibm for unix copyrights in linux	Mar 08 19:49
Ender2070_	just like its canopy group partner sco	Mar 08 19:49
MinceR	i guess so	Mar 08 19:49
Ender2070_	let sco die so novell can bring better evidence	Mar 08 19:50
MinceR	maybe they're making novell private so ibm can't just buy it out when novell sues?	Mar 08 19:50
Ender2070_	maybe	Mar 08 19:50
MinceR	if oiaohm was here, he'd probably tell me why it isn't a good idea :>	Mar 08 19:50
Ender2070_	ill be back	Mar 08 19:51
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Omar87	Plus, I believe we can also help at crippling their agenda by: a)Fighting back against the trolls (e.g.: The Linsux goons). and b)Keep on calling for the banishing of Mono.	Mar 08 19:51
MinceR	they've already achieved some success at injecting	Mar 08 19:51
MinceR	gnome, *suse, ubuntu	Mar 08 19:52
MinceR	probably others, too	Mar 08 19:52
Omar87	MinceR, which is why merely exposing them is not enough. I mean it's good, and very important, yet still we have to do something more than just that.	Mar 08 19:52
MinceR	what would that be?	Mar 08 19:53
DaemonFC	hmmm	Mar 08 19:53
DaemonFC	you can sue a child molester under the RICO Act	Mar 08 19:54
Omar87	MinceR, as I just said, we can't let those goons at Linsux and other places yap all night long and sit there doing merely nothing.	Mar 08 19:54
MinceR	are you pondering what i'm pondering? :>	Mar 08 19:55
Omar87	MinceR, plus, we have to keep annoying the guys at the Ubuntu dev team by ringing the "No Mono!!" bells in their ears every now an then.	Mar 08 19:56
Omar87	and*	Mar 08 19:56
Omar87	MinceR, what are you pondering? :)	Mar 08 19:56
MinceR	if that annoys them at all	Mar 08 19:56
MinceR	i think i'd be reprimanded if i revealed that here ;)	Mar 08 19:56
Omar87	MinceR, oh, I think it does. And if it doesn't annoy them now, it will do later. I guarantee you.	Mar 08 19:57
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Omar87	MinceR, :D	Mar 08 19:57
Omar87	MinceR, we have to just keep on pinching their ears open and screaming "NO MONO!!!" right into them.	Mar 08 19:58
Omar87	MinceR, for example, instead of removing the GIMP from the default install, they could've remove mono and keep GIMP and the result would still be the same (or even better).	Mar 08 20:00
Omar87	and kept*	Mar 08 20:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Today is International Women's Day - my thoughts and competition winners! http://is.gd/9YMNn #ubuntu #women #ubuntuwomen		Mar 08 20:01
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MinceR	Omar87: we've probably lost that already	Mar 08 20:01
Omar87	MinceR, though I believe if we ponder it a little longer, we can come with whole list of things we can do to stop Novell.	Mar 08 20:02
Omar87	MinceR, nah.. It's never too late to revert this situation.	Mar 08 20:02
Omar87	MinceR, if the Ubuntu team didn't listen to us now, they will tomorrow, and if not tomorrow then after tomorrow..	Mar 08 20:03
Omar87	Plus, I don't see how just sitting there doing nothing would be any better, ya know..	Mar 08 20:04
Omar87	We have to try and keep trying.	Mar 08 20:04
Omar87	And it has to succeed someday soon.	Mar 08 20:05
scientes	that would be the reason for me to switch to fedora over debian	Mar 08 20:05
scientes	a policy against mono	Mar 08 20:05
MinceR	i thought fedora didn't have such a policy	Mar 08 20:06
scientes	well tomboy	Mar 08 20:06
MinceR	at least someone here said there's mono on the fedora dvd and installs by default	Mar 08 20:06
MinceR	DaemonFC did	Mar 08 20:06
scientes	o0O	Mar 08 20:06
MinceR	iirc	Mar 08 20:06
Omar87	We also have to explain to them that we're NOT against the development and advancement of the Ubuntu project. Which is why we have started this campaign in the first place.	Mar 08 20:06
scientes	but otherwise i really like debian	Mar 08 20:06
scientes	and faster releases will be really good	Mar 08 20:07
scientes	maybe evey 12 months or so	Mar 08 20:07
Omar87	scientes, I hear Debian is Mono-free, right?	Mar 08 20:07
scientes	the default, which is very, very sparse	Mar 08 20:07
scientes	*default gnome	Mar 08 20:07
scientes	the default desktop should have more apps	Mar 08 20:08
scientes	so its more usable by a common user	Mar 08 20:08
scientes	and a installable live CD	Mar 08 20:08
scientes	these are simple things that make ubuntu Way eaier for a new user	Mar 08 20:08
scientes	aka gnome-desktop-utilities, firefox, OO, gimp, some picture manager	Mar 08 20:09
scientes	a IM client	Mar 08 20:09
scientes	because new users are often clueless about installing applications	Mar 08 20:09
scientes	and it isn't that hard to meet like 90% of what they might want to use	Mar 08 20:10
scientes	with a few apps	Mar 08 20:10
scientes	look at Microsofts example	Mar 08 20:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] With it being International Women's Day, and my mum just joining Twitter (@muttoninn), why don't we all encourage our mum's to do the same!		Mar 08 20:11
scientes	they create a mote by their windows-only and wierd UI "live essential" squite	Mar 08 20:11
scientes	meant to meet those basic needs	Mar 08 20:11
scientes	a basic desktop install must have these apps, as users expect them	Mar 08 20:11
scientes	it isn't 1995	Mar 08 20:11
scientes	or 2001	Mar 08 20:12
scientes	even XP had messenger by default	Mar 08 20:12
scientes	(which I would never use, but to make a point)	Mar 08 20:12
scientes	thats a big reason by ubuntu is successful	Mar 08 20:12
scientes	*why	Mar 08 20:12
Omar87	MinceR, I really felt a burst of joy rushing into my chest when I silenced Mr. Psychopath over at FSDaily.	Mar 08 20:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] I hereby proclaim this coming Saturday International Mens Day. Beer, Pretzels, ESPN, and no bitching.		Mar 08 20:14
DaemonFC	:D	Mar 08 20:14
MinceR	:)	Mar 08 20:14
scientes	it could be a seperate tasksel	Mar 08 20:14
scientes	that is used when installing of a live CD	Mar 08 20:15
scientes	but thats a big thing debian needs	Mar 08 20:15
DaemonFC	MinceR, You notice how "I don't want any special treatment" is always what you hear before they start having entire months dedicated to their group?	Mar 08 20:15
MinceR	i don't follow them so closely	Mar 08 20:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Sábia decisão do Governo: TGV só Lisboa-Vigo (pelo menos para já).		Mar 08 20:16
schestowitz	ekiga is very simple... almost too simple	Mar 08 20:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] 9am laptop works just as fine as usual. 1h30min later, doesn't even power on. fortunately work had a replacement one at hand.		Mar 08 20:18
schestowitz	Does anyone here use it?	Mar 08 20:18
DaemonFC	schestowitz, No, I mainly use Skype	Mar 08 20:18
DaemonFC	better rates, can get an incoming number	Mar 08 20:19
schestowitz	network effect	Mar 08 20:19
DaemonFC	I think with Ekiga, they have to dial some 800 number	Mar 08 20:20
DaemonFC	and punch in your extension	Mar 08 20:20
DaemonFC	oh, and Skype has all you can eat plans	Mar 08 20:20
DaemonFC	Ekiga does not	Mar 08 20:20
scientes	does ekiga support that GNU encrypted SIP protocol?	Mar 08 20:20
scientes	end-to end encryption	Mar 08 20:21
scientes	the protocol designed by the PGP guy	Mar 08 20:21
scientes	^^telephony	Mar 08 20:21
MinceR	skype is malware	Mar 08 20:22
MinceR	but if you like joining botnets... :>	Mar 08 20:22
schestowitz	scientes: not sure, but some Fedora person who comments in BN sometimes did the encryption package, IIRC	Mar 08 20:23
schestowitz	MinceR: I just need to convince some WIndows users to install ekiga	Mar 08 20:24
schestowitz	It was beta the last time I checked	Mar 08 20:24
MinceR	they could use any other audio/video conferencing app that supports SIP	Mar 08 20:24
MinceR	it's an open standard, unlike skype	Mar 08 20:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Already replaced Windows logo sticker with a sticker with the image in this shirt http://badvista.fsf.org/blog/badvista-shirt		Mar 08 20:26
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scientes	http://www.gnutelephony.org/	Mar 08 20:26
phIRCe-BNc	Title: GNU Telephony .::. Size~: 17.01 KB	Mar 08 20:26
scientes	http://lwn.net/Articles/354827/	Mar 08 20:27
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scientes	^^^thar we go	Mar 08 20:27
scientes	ZRTP	Mar 08 20:27
scientes	I want a easy-to-setup version of that	Mar 08 20:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Será que o Governo vai reduzir a despesa utilizando mais Software Livre ou vai continuar a "doar" fortunas desnecessárias?		Mar 08 20:28
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scientes	gamecube and wii controler support!	Mar 08 20:34
scientes	are they usb?	Mar 08 20:35
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Ender2070	If you install "everything" on the Fedora 12 DVD then yes, it installs mono	Mar 08 20:37
Ender2070	but thats way too much bloat anyways	Mar 08 20:37
MinceR	what sort of option is it? something like tasksel, with a separate checkbox for mono?	Mar 08 20:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #tnparty is not very friendly to blind citizens (too flashy)		Mar 08 20:38
MinceR	or something like "The Full Install"?	Mar 08 20:38
schestowitz	https://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/02/25/1632209/Youtube-Pulls-Original-Rickroll-Video	Mar 08 20:38
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schestowitz	So nobody here uses ekiga	Mar 08 20:39
scientes	ooo, suport on those platforms	Mar 08 20:39
Ender2070	Mincer - you can do a full install or you can customize the individual programs that are included, or use default kde or gnome desktops	Mar 08 20:40
Ender2070	default kde and gnome dont have mono	Mar 08 20:40
MinceR	even from the DVD?	Mar 08 20:41
schestowitz	http://reprog.wordpress.com/2010/03/03/whatever-happened-to-programming/	Mar 08 20:42
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schestowitz	/. did a lot of MSFT advertising over the weekend, it seems	Mar 08 20:42
Ender2070	the DVD you have to tell it to install mono	Mar 08 20:43
Ender2070	which happens if you say everything	Mar 08 20:43
MinceR	ic	Mar 08 20:43
MinceR	seems like a pretty good policy to mee	Mar 08 20:43
MinceR	s/.$//	Mar 08 20:43
Ender2070	if you just click click click through the install you won't have it :)	Mar 08 20:43
MinceR	:)	Mar 08 20:44
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schestowitz	http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/03/07/0319253/Ars-Technica-Inveighs-Against-Ad-Blocking	Mar 08 20:49
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schestowitz	"As ad revenues go down, many sites are lured into running advertising of a truly questionable nature. We've all seen it happen."	Mar 08 20:49
schestowitz	Haha	Mar 08 20:49
schestowitz	Says /.	Mar 08 20:49
schestowitz	Ironic	Mar 08 20:49
Ender2070	yeah	Mar 08 20:50
Ender2070	they had flash ads yesterday	Mar 08 20:50
schestowitz	http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2010/03/06/ubuntu-colors/	Mar 08 20:50
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tessier_	Ad Block Plus FTW	Mar 08 20:51
schestowitz	Ender2070: for visual studio 2069?	Mar 08 20:51
tessier_	If ad revenue isn't enough for them let the site go away.	Mar 08 20:51
schestowitz	Thunderbird has that too	Mar 08 20:51
schestowitz	It comes preinstalled with Konqueror	Mar 08 20:51
Omar87	schestowitz, so what do you think?	Mar 08 20:52
schestowitz	Benjamin, is that you? http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2010/03/08/european-data-retention-directive-debate/ zoobab_	Mar 08 20:52
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schestowitz	Omar87: yes, I agree	Mar 08 20:52
schestowitz	I was chatting earlier, couldn't repond	Mar 08 20:52
schestowitz	Ekiga works for me	Mar 08 20:52
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Omar87	schestowitz, shouldn't we start screaming "No Mono!!" into the ears of the Ubuntu dev team people?	Mar 08 20:52
schestowitz	Now, if I could only get rid of Flash in YouTube...	Mar 08 20:53
schestowitz	Omar87: just harms Ubuntu	Mar 08 20:53
schestowitz	Counter productive	Mar 08 20:53
Omar87	schestowitz, how so?	Mar 08 20:53
Ender2070	actually I have a better idea	Mar 08 20:53
Omar87	Ender2070, please enlighten us.	Mar 08 20:53
Omar87	:)	Mar 08 20:53
Ender2070	why not make a series of videos explaining the problems	Mar 08 20:53
Ender2070	people dont like to read	Mar 08 20:53
MinceR	sebsebseb: 234	Mar 08 20:54
Ender2070	especially users	Mar 08 20:54
schestowitz	You're better off explaining the problem	Mar 08 20:54
schestowitz	Then people turn sour on Mono	Mar 08 20:54
schestowitz	No demand and rants demote it naturally	Mar 08 20:54
schestowitz	Ender2070: make a video	Mar 08 20:54
schestowitz	I'll make ogg from it	Mar 08 20:54
schestowitz	Put it in BN	Mar 08 20:54
schestowitz	DaemonFC can do that too	Mar 08 20:54
schestowitz	He has a good voice	Mar 08 20:55
Ender2070	when I make one it'll already be ogg/theora	Mar 08 20:55
schestowitz	That Steve Jobs video I put up (ogg) got 2k-3k requests	Mar 08 20:55
schestowitz	pwned	Mar 08 20:55
Ender2070	:D	Mar 08 20:55
Ender2070	pitivi kicks ass	Mar 08 20:56
DaemonFC	schestowitz, http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Energizer-DUO-Trojan-May-Have-Infected-PCs-for-3-Years-278172/	Mar 08 20:57
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DaemonFC	might want to mention this	Mar 08 20:57
Ender2070	he did	Mar 08 20:57
Ender2070	lol the battery charger with conficker on it	Mar 08 20:58
schestowitz	http://www.prwatch.org/node/8924 http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33866.html	Mar 08 20:58
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: already in bn	Mar 08 20:58
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/08/battery-chargers-and-malware/	Mar 08 20:58
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DaemonFC	http://www.pcworld.com/article/189801/yahoomicrosoft_deal_makes_bing_better_doj_says.html	Mar 08 21:07
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schestowitz	http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Novell_Should_Stop_Sponsoring_the_BSA_Which_Lobbies_Against_Free_Software_in_Vietnam	Mar 08 21:08
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: seen it	Mar 08 21:08
schestowitz	DOJ and Microsoft are close	Mar 08 21:08
schestowitz	Remember Charney?	Mar 08 21:08
schestowitz	"Internet tax"?	Mar 08 21:08
schestowitz	he's from DOJ	Mar 08 21:08
schestowitz	Microsoft hired him in 2008	Mar 08 21:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: Shops remix. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/30253.html		Mar 08 21:10
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, I'd support a per-incident fine on both Microsoft and the user	Mar 08 21:12
DaemonFC	to deal with botnet caused damages	Mar 08 21:13
DaemonFC	the government fines negligent pet owners when the thing gets loose and attacks someone	Mar 08 21:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wow: "Ubuntu is mainly for Linux-based Operating systems." http://ur1.ca/otbd Do they think it's a program?		Mar 08 21:14
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bruce89	oh dear	Mar 08 21:15
DaemonFC	schestowitz, that's not the only thing wrong here	Mar 08 21:15
DaemonFC	"Previously, the same company released 11 types of Operating systems."	Mar 08 21:15
schestowitz	Yeah, I saw this	Mar 08 21:16
schestowitz	It didn't fit a tweet	Mar 08 21:16
DaemonFC	desktop, desktop, desktop, desktop, desktop, desktop, desktop, desktop, desktop, netbook, server	Mar 08 21:16
DaemonFC	hehe	Mar 08 21:16
schestowitz	Where does the "Eleven" come from?	Mar 08 21:16
DaemonFC	see, 11	Mar 08 21:16
schestowitz	Confusion?	Mar 08 21:16
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schestowitz	http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/week-in-tech-purple-is-the-new-brown-edition.ars	Mar 08 21:19
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schestowitz	See? Purpose.	Mar 08 21:19
schestowitz	Now Ubuntu will have a "Gay" stigma	Mar 08 21:19
schestowitz	*Purple	Mar 08 21:19
schestowitz	Christian groups will ban Ubuntu	Mar 08 21:20
schestowitz	Just like they did with that Teletubby	Mar 08 21:21
DaemonFC	schestowitz, They'll get all Tinky Winky on it even	Mar 08 21:21
DaemonFC	:(	Mar 08 21:21
schestowitz	Yeah	Mar 08 21:21
schestowitz	Beat me to it	Mar 08 21:21
schestowitz	Ubuntu CE	Mar 08 21:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz don't forget WUBI!		Mar 08 21:23
schestowitz	http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/10-10-Ubuntu-Developer-Summit-announced-948464.html "Canonical's Ubuntu Community Manager Jono Bacon has announced that the next Ubuntu Developer Summit (UDS) will be take place from the 10th to the 14th of May"	Mar 08 21:23
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schestowitz	who the heck is this jono person? :-)	Mar 08 21:23
DaemonFC	jono might be purple	Mar 08 21:23
DaemonFC	let's spread rumors	Mar 08 21:23
DaemonFC	j/k	Mar 08 21:24
jono	schestowitz some arsehole :)	Mar 08 21:24
schestowitz	DaemonFC: His wife would not appreciate it	Mar 08 21:24
DaemonFC	assholes and idiots playing horseshoes and hand grenades	Mar 08 21:25
DaemonFC	right jono?	Mar 08 21:25
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schestowitz	http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/6892260.html "GnuCash is not as slick as its commercial counterparts, but it seems to get the job done."	Mar 08 21:25
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schestowitz	He means proprietary	Mar 08 21:25
schestowitz	Not "commercial"	Mar 08 21:25
jono	DaemonFC, lol	Mar 08 21:26
schestowitz	jono: the theme is better than before, BTW	Mar 08 21:27
jono	schestowitz thanks!	Mar 08 21:27
jono	I prefer it too :)	Mar 08 21:27
schestowitz	Some people don't like dark shades. I still like Qt for contrast in GUI, but that's just me	Mar 08 21:27
schestowitz	In 2002 I developed in gtk with some nice themes	Mar 08 21:28
schestowitz	I'll show you.....	Mar 08 21:28
schestowitz	Like this: http://schestowitz.com/Projects/kmdupdate-2.html	Mar 08 21:28
schestowitz	That was 8 years ago. I don't understand why themes still suck in gtk	Mar 08 21:29
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schestowitz	It was better looking than XP at the time	Mar 08 21:30
schestowitz	And XP was very new	Mar 08 21:30
schestowitz	I used Enlightenment for development	Mar 08 21:30
schestowitz	I blame SUSE for getting me hooked on KDE	Mar 08 21:30
schestowitz	http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/37373-are-these-the-last-days-of-novell-as-we-know-it	Mar 08 21:31
DaemonFC	I've been camped out watching Dirty Harry moves all day	Mar 08 21:32
DaemonFC	:p	Mar 08 21:32
*DaemonFC notices jono clutching Mono		Mar 08 21:33
DaemonFC	I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?	Mar 08 21:33
jono	lol	Mar 08 21:33
Ender2070	lol	Mar 08 21:34
schestowitz	http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/03/07/a-walk-on-the-winter-road/	Mar 08 21:34
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DaemonFC	jono, I want a .44 magnum, but they're damned expensive	Mar 08 21:34
schestowitz	You never shoot	Mar 08 21:34
*ianto has a Walther P88 ;)		Mar 08 21:34
Ender2070	Nazi	Mar 08 21:35
schestowitz	Here's DaemonFOX: :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81lK87r1RTM	Mar 08 21:35
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jono	heh	Mar 08 21:35
DaemonFC	I'm going to have to stick to my .40 S&W, .45 ACP most likely	Mar 08 21:35
DaemonFC	I carry the .40 S&W on me most of the time	Mar 08 21:36
Ender2070	wow firefox hates me	Mar 08 21:36
DaemonFC	it's not Dirty Harry, but it'll probably work just fine	Mar 08 21:36
ianto	DaemonFC: Isn't that illegal? Concealsed firearms and all?	Mar 08 21:37
DaemonFC	no, I have a lifetime license	Mar 08 21:37
DaemonFC	costs $125	Mar 08 21:37
DaemonFC	that also lets you conceal it now if you want to	Mar 08 21:37
DaemonFC	the only restrictions are, I can't take it into a courthouse, and I can't go into a K-12 school with it (but I can have it on me if I'm just dropping someone off or picking them up	Mar 08 21:38
Omar87	[schestowitz: Put it in BN]	Mar 08 21:38
DaemonFC	Indiana also recognizes all out of state permits under the same rules as an Indiana personal protection permit	Mar 08 21:39
Omar87	schestowitz: See, that's our problem, to be honest.	Mar 08 21:39
DaemonFC	jono, In other words, I only have to take it off to go into the courthouse	Mar 08 21:39
Omar87	Putting stuff in BN is something good indeed, and I have nothing against it.	Mar 08 21:39
DaemonFC	I can wear it in Walmart	Mar 08 21:39
jono	:)	Mar 08 21:39
DaemonFC	I can wear it in the movies	Mar 08 21:39
ianto	DaemonFC: Is there really a need to have a firearm on you 24/7?	Mar 08 21:40
DaemonFC	ianto, I'm legally entitled to	Mar 08 21:40
Omar87	But I think we should start to act a little more outside the boundaries of BN.	Mar 08 21:40
ianto	DaemonFC: I'm legally entitled to smoke, I choose not to	Mar 08 21:41
DaemonFC	ianto, I have several holsters, one of them is a utility belt like the police wear, which I can fit a retractable baton, a can of pepper spray, and several other things into	Mar 08 21:41
bruce89	I've got a recording of the "first there was vinyl: now there's MP3"	Mar 08 21:41
bruce89	advert	Mar 08 21:41
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DaemonFC	ianto, I also got a bulletproof vest for free	Mar 08 21:41
DaemonFC	pretty cool huh?	Mar 08 21:42
ianto	DaemonFC: Are you really that terrified of being an American citizen?	Mar 08 21:42
bruce89	the other one was "First there were maps, now there's GPS"	Mar 08 21:42
DaemonFC	not at all	Mar 08 21:42
DaemonFC	I've only worn the vest hunting	Mar 08 21:43
DaemonFC	stray bullets and all	Mar 08 21:43
DaemonFC	hunters out there that will shoot anything that moves	Mar 08 21:43
Omar87	schestowitz, I mean, just those trolls keeps attacking us by polluting our blogs (especially BN) with their childish nonsense, I think we should also try to spread our cause to the world, and not just inside BN.	Mar 08 21:43
DaemonFC	or maybe they just miss the deer and the bullet travels over a mile and hits me instead	Mar 08 21:43
DaemonFC	ianto, I wouldn't want to be out there in camouflage without the vest on, it's at least that much of a concern	Mar 08 21:44
DaemonFC	I haven't gone hunting in years though, I mainly fish now	Mar 08 21:45
ianto	Fair enough to the armour when out hunting but is a S&W really required to walk the dog?	Mar 08 21:46
DaemonFC	most likely not	Mar 08 21:47
DaemonFC	neighbor is a bit nuts	Mar 08 21:47
DaemonFC	that's about it	Mar 08 21:47
ianto	Then why have it on you?	Mar 08 21:47
DaemonFC	cause I can I guess	Mar 08 21:48
schestowitz	Omar87: the video?	Mar 08 21:48
schestowitz	http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10015262o-2000643222b,00.htm	Mar 08 21:48
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DaemonFC	I own the gun, I have a lifetime license	Mar 08 21:48
DaemonFC	who not?	Mar 08 21:48
DaemonFC	&why	Mar 08 21:48
DaemonFC	uggh	Mar 08 21:48
Omar87	schestowitz, yeah, but I mean in general.	Mar 08 21:48
schestowitz	Omar87: what's the audience	Mar 08 21:49
schestowitz	General public it's not	Mar 08 21:49
schestowitz	People in IT	Mar 08 21:49
ianto	DaemonFC: If someone you think is unarmed tries to rob you, you will feel courageous and attempt to back him/her off with your firearm which in turn could get you shot by his buddy a few metres away. Good enough reason not to really	Mar 08 21:49
schestowitz	General public relies on OEMs	Mar 08 21:49
schestowitz	So you need to influence OEMs	Mar 08 21:49
schestowitz	To offer choice	Mar 08 21:49
schestowitz	ANd urge regulators	Mar 08 21:49
schestowitz	We have a small circle of millions (engineers)	Mar 08 21:49
DaemonFC	ianto, Who says they won't shoot me anyway just for kicks?	Mar 08 21:49
DaemonFC	People are sick	Mar 08 21:49
schestowitz	It's no Britney/Beckham thing	Mar 08 21:50
Omar87	schestowitz, Slashdot, Ubuntu dev team, Linux.com, FSM, Freshmeat.. etc.	Mar 08 21:50
schestowitz	In tech sites, the readership has higher bound	Mar 08 21:50
schestowitz	Digg.com opened up to all topics to break this barriers	Mar 08 21:50
schestowitz	*barrier	Mar 08 21:50
schestowitz	Linux.com is LF	Mar 08 21:50
schestowitz	Freshmeat is SF/Geeknet/Slashdot	Mar 08 21:51
Omar87	LF?	Mar 08 21:51
Omar87	schestowitz, I know.	Mar 08 21:51
schestowitz	And Ubuntu devs are few	Mar 08 21:51
schestowitz	Just a couple of hundreds	Mar 08 21:51
schestowitz	Some read the site	Mar 08 21:51
schestowitz	Most Linux users don't keep track of news	Mar 08 21:51
schestowitz	They just use what comes on the CD	Mar 08 21:51
schestowitz	So they depends on devs	Mar 08 21:51
schestowitz	That's the people whom we need to inform	Mar 08 21:52
schestowitz	In Jordan too, try to ensure shops preinstall Fedora	Mar 08 21:52
schestowitz	They don't need to use illegal copies of Windows	Mar 08 21:52
schestowitz	Counterfeiting	Mar 08 21:52
Omar87	schestowitz, but it would me pointless to tell non-IT people about Mono.	Mar 08 21:52
schestowitz	Both legal and better	Mar 08 21:52
schestowitz	They can do dual-boot as well	Mar 08 21:52
schestowitz	Then Jordanians would use Linux	Mar 08 21:52
schestowitz	Like with fast-booting	Mar 08 21:52
schestowitz	Phoenix	Mar 08 21:52
schestowitz	SplashTop.. etc,.	Mar 08 21:53
schestowitz	Finding out one's computer~=Windows	Mar 08 21:53
schestowitz	Omar87: of course it would be pointless to tell them that	Mar 08 21:53
schestowitz	They can't even tell dependencies when they install something.	Mar 08 21:53
schestowitz	That's why we need to address the hardcore people, not just users	Mar 08 21:54
Omar87	schestowitz, the problem in Jordan is slightly more complicated. It can be solved, though.	Mar 08 21:54
Omar87	schestowitz, exactly.	Mar 08 21:54
schestowitz	Linux gains in Asia.. http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/03/05/north-korea-develops-its-own-linux-distro-called-red-star-os/	Mar 08 21:56
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schestowitz	Taiwan and places	Mar 08 21:56
schestowitz	Motherboard preinstalls	Mar 08 21:56
schestowitz	But it's proprietary lInux	Mar 08 21:56
schestowitz	Onboard	Mar 08 21:56
schestowitz	This korean thing is a gpl violation	Mar 08 21:56
Omar87	Proprietary Linux?	Mar 08 21:56
schestowitz	http://www.tmcnet.com/viewette.aspx?u=http%3a%2f%2fit.tmcnet.com%2ftopics%2fit%2farticles%2f77661-north-korea-makes-its-own-linux-os.htm	Mar 08 21:56
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schestowitz	Omar87: immutable	Mar 08 21:56
schestowitz	They don't contribute back, either	Mar 08 21:56
schestowitz	Hardly	Mar 08 21:56
schestowitz	Omar87: your site is not for broad users	Mar 08 21:57
schestowitz	Like your mom	Mar 08 21:57
schestowitz	They don't have interest	Mar 08 21:57
schestowitz	Nor the understanding of jargon	Mar 08 21:57
schestowitz	That's the way it is	Mar 08 21:57
schestowitz	The total number of people who are 'into' Windows is a few millions	Mar 08 21:57
Omar87	schestowitz, okay, I think this should invoke a lawsuit from FSF.	Mar 08 21:57
schestowitz	Linux maybe hundreds of thousands	Mar 08 21:57
schestowitz	People who are actievely involevd	Mar 08 21:57
schestowitz	Not drones	Mar 08 21:57
schestowitz	Same with politics	Mar 08 21:58
schestowitz	Most are just drones	Mar 08 21:58
schestowitz	Pasive	Mar 08 21:58
schestowitz	Misinformed	Mar 08 21:58
schestowitz	Careless	Mar 08 21:58
schestowitz	I am not too involved in the green movement	Mar 08 21:58
schestowitz	Or astronomy	Mar 08 21:58
schestowitz	So it makes me a spectator	Mar 08 21:58
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, I have to say I'm amazed at how the Mesa trunk is doing	Mar 08 22:00
DaemonFC	rapid progress	Mar 08 22:00
DaemonFC	went from no 3d to decent 3d in only the last 6 months for my card	Mar 08 22:00
schestowitz	"Tiny Core 2.9 can be download easily for free. " http://www.9computerstore.com/2010/03/04/download-tiny-core-linux-2-9-download-free-of-cost/	Mar 08 22:01
schestowitz	It's that same dumb site	Mar 08 22:01
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phIRCe-BNc	Title: Download Tiny Core Linux 2.9: Download Free of Cost, Tiny Core Linux \| 9 Computer Store .::. Size~: 38.48 KB	Mar 08 22:01
schestowitz	DaemonFC: next gen of distros wil have 3d working out of the box	Mar 08 22:01
schestowitz	Free software too	Mar 08 22:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post "Roast Laptop" (I put my video card in the oven) http://bit.ly/aCDaam		Mar 08 22:02
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Roasted Laptop \| popey.com blog .::. Size~: 25.95 KB	Mar 08 22:02
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Apparently AppArmor is still being maintained too, got a bunch of new updates for it today	Mar 08 22:02
schestowitz	So Compiz/kwin4 will just work off the live CDs	Mar 08 22:02
schestowitz	DaemonFC: Ubuntu does	Mar 08 22:02
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Yes, this Fall, 3d should be fully functional on most cards	Mar 08 22:02
schestowitz	Dr Crispin Cowen works for Microsoft now	Mar 08 22:02
schestowitz	Novell sacked them in 2007	Mar 08 22:03
schestowitz	Around Oct.	Mar 08 22:03
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schestowitz	When my sister got married :0)	Mar 08 22:03
scientes	he a nice guy?	Mar 08 22:03
schestowitz	http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/KDE-SC-4-4-1-released-with-various-bug-fixes-945920.html	Mar 08 22:03
phIRCe-BNc	Title: KDE SC 4.4.1 released with various bug fixes - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.67 KB	Mar 08 22:03
schestowitz	scientes: don't know	Mar 08 22:03
schestowitz	He blogged a bit	Mar 08 22:03
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schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/21/colombia-minister-gplv3-program/	Mar 08 22:04
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Software Patents and Colombia \| Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 104.57 KB	Mar 08 22:04
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/08/borland-international-lesson/	Mar 08 22:05
phIRCe-BNc	Title: What Borland Can Teach Critics About Novell \| Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 102.3 KB	Mar 08 22:05
DaemonFC	https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/509756	Mar 08 22:05
DaemonFC	lmao	Mar 08 22:05
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Bug #509756 in One Hundred Paper Cuts: “Default conversation window size is too small” .::. Size~: 62.17 KB	Mar 08 22:05
DaemonFC	new gstreamer release	Mar 08 22:07
DaemonFC	http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/releases/gstreamer/0.10.27.html	Mar 08 22:07
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Release notes forGStreamer 0.10.27"You're Shocked, We Know" .::. Size~: 13.02 KB	Mar 08 22:07
schestowitz	ah..	Mar 08 22:08
schestowitz	Added.	Mar 08 22:09
schestowitz	http://voip.about.com/b/2010/03/04/using-voip-on-linux.htm "According to statistics, nearly 5% of computer users worldwide use Linux as an operating system on their computers."	Mar 08 22:09
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Using VoIP on Linux .::. Size~: 21.08 KB	Mar 08 22:10
DaemonFC	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut	Mar 08 22:10
phIRCe-BNc	Title: PaperCut - Ubuntu Wiki .::. Size~: 13.8 KB	Mar 08 22:10
DaemonFC	nice plan	Mar 08 22:10
schestowitz	bad name	Mar 08 22:15
schestowitz	paper cut	Mar 08 22:15
schestowitz	Evoke gore	Mar 08 22:15
DaemonFC	schestowitz, I just got a dead tree in the mail from the Census	Mar 08 22:17
DaemonFC	telling me to expect more dead trees in the mail next week	Mar 08 22:17
DaemonFC	yay!	Mar 08 22:17
DaemonFC	bet the initial notice papers cost them about $100 million or so	Mar 08 22:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IIPA suggested Brazil, India, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand be put on USTR watch list for policies favouring open source http://i5.be/aAd		Mar 08 22:20
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schestowitz	http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/windows-phone-7-not-backwards-compatible/140146	Mar 08 22:22
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Windows Phone 7 not backwards compatible - Page 1 - Mobile Applications - Departmental and End User Computing .::. Size~: 73.75 KB	Mar 08 22:22
ender2070	thats not news	Mar 08 22:22
schestowitz	I know	Mar 08 22:22
schestowitz	I have a post tomorrow	Mar 08 22:22
ender2070	it cant be backwards compatible, they wouldnt sell anything	Mar 08 22:22
ender2070	people would just install 6.x apps	Mar 08 22:22
ender2070	they love the control apple gets from its store too	Mar 08 22:23
schestowitz	Here's Jabba http://reason.com/blog/2010/03/05/hermit-kingdom-linux-giant-juc	Mar 08 22:25
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Hermit Kingdom Linux, Giant Juche Rabbits, and the Dear Leader's Hennessey Problem - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine .::. Size~: 78.17 KB	Mar 08 22:25
schestowitz	http://www.tuxradar.com/content/try-linux-desktop-future	Mar 08 22:32
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Try the Linux desktop of the future \| TuxRadar Linux .::. Size~: 57.92 KB	Mar 08 22:32
schestowitz	Nice shots	Mar 08 22:32
schestowitz	http://diehardgamefan.com/2010/03/07/unbranding-the-sheep-building-a-house-on-the-corpses-of-indie-developers/ "I even considered a MacBook as my next laptop until I realized that I run Linux anyway,"	Mar 08 22:33
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Diehard GameFAN \| Unbranding the Sheep: Building a House On The Corpses of Indie Developers .::. Size~: 46.18 KB	Mar 08 22:33
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schestowitz	zoobab_: http://www.cio-weblog.com/50226711/an_embarrassment_of_patents.php	Mar 08 22:51
phIRCe-BNc	Title: The CIO Weblog: An embarrassment of patents .::. Size~: 182.25 KB	Mar 08 22:51
ender2070	the tuxradar link was the most disorganized article i've read in a while	Mar 08 22:54
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ender2070	http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/03/08/1636259/Game-Devs-Only-Use-PhysX-For-the-Money-Says-AMD	Mar 08 22:57
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Slashdot Games Story \| Game Devs Only Use PhysX For the Money, Says AMD .::. Size~: 143.05 KB	Mar 08 22:57
ender2070	LOLAMD	Mar 08 22:57
schestowitz	it's not an article	Mar 08 22:58
schestowitz	It's some pictures with some text around them	Mar 08 22:59
ender2070	yeah	Mar 08 22:59
ender2070	good description	Mar 08 22:59
ender2070	lol	Mar 08 22:59
ender2070	lol@docky	Mar 08 23:00
ender2070	GnomeOSX	Mar 08 23:00
ender2070	or iGnome ?	Mar 08 23:00
ender2070	lol	Mar 08 23:00
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ender2070	funny how AMD says nvidia is using closed standards when both of them jerk off over directx	Mar 08 23:02
ender2070	AMD even advertises false directx versions	Mar 08 23:02
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schestowitz	bad news for docky	Mar 08 23:03
schestowitz	http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Docky-and-GNOME-Do-now-separated-948684.html	Mar 08 23:04
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Docky and GNOME Do, now separated - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 31.79 KB	Mar 08 23:04
schestowitz	"Launi says that in future there will be integration between Do and the GPLv3 licensed Docky."	Mar 08 23:04
schestowitz	Monooooooooooooooo!!!	Mar 08 23:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺@zoobab: IIPA suggested Brazil India Indonesia Philippines Thailand be on USTR watchlist for policies favouring opensource http://i5.be/aAd		Mar 08 23:05
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ender2070	they are both coded in mono?	Mar 08 23:07
ender2070	yes... :(	Mar 08 23:13
ender2070	the .cs files almost made me sick	Mar 08 23:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Press here to start typing your message...		Mar 08 23:16
ender2070	lol@al gore	Mar 08 23:16
ender2070	http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_19_16/ai_62349851/	Mar 08 23:16
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Gore Family Ties \| Insight on the News Newspaper \| Find Articles at BNET .::. Size~: 36.57 KB	Mar 08 23:16
ender2070	the gore family has communist ties	Mar 08 23:16
schestowitz	This guy is quite angry.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZYB9aSwTLU	Mar 08 23:18
phIRCe-BNc	Title: YouTube- Meet Paul: One cynical and unhappy person. .::. Size~: 147.22 KB	Mar 08 23:18
schestowitz	ender2070: many do	Mar 08 23:19
schestowitz	If you go far back	Mar 08 23:19
schestowitz	Communism used to be bigger	Mar 08 23:19
ender2070	"many do" ??	Mar 08 23:19
ender2070	who	Mar 08 23:19
schestowitz	Al Gore is also related to Gore Vidal	Mar 08 23:19
schestowitz	ender2070: people with Russian origins	Mar 08 23:19
ender2070	well there was HG Wells too	Mar 08 23:19
ender2070	and anyone in the fabian society	Mar 08 23:19
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ender2070	lots of communists, i suspect most don't know about the genocide policy	Mar 08 23:21
schestowitz	Hm........ as many as 40% in the US still think Evolution of a myth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-QWv_0Mjq0	Mar 08 23:23
phIRCe-BNc	Title: YouTube- The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution - Richard Dawkins #1 Bestseller Available Now .::. Size~: 137.06 KB	Mar 08 23:23
schestowitz	ender2070: and you're a victim of the oil lobby	Mar 08 23:23
schestowitz	Thinking that we don't do the obvious by burning stuff	Mar 08 23:23
ender2070	im not a victim of the oil lobby	Mar 08 23:24
ender2070	i want electric cars and nuclear power	Mar 08 23:24
ender2070	if im a victim of anything, its called critical thinking	Mar 08 23:25
ender2070	and in the future it will be a dangerous thing that has to be medicated, ala that shitty movie with Christian Bale	Mar 08 23:25
scientes	if you count in the energy required to mine, shpi and process the uranium, and to make the concvrete to construct the plant, nuclear energy aint that great	Mar 08 23:26
ender2070	when you subtract coal burning, it is	Mar 08 23:26
ender2070	same if you had nuclear powered cars	Mar 08 23:26
scientes	yes, coal burning is horrible	Mar 08 23:27
scientes	and shutting down nuclear plants it horrible to	Mar 08 23:27
ender2070	Diablo-D3 had told me that you can get sufficient nuclear energy out of a small non lethal amount of uranium	Mar 08 23:27
scientes	but building new plants isn't as good as it is made out to be	Mar 08 23:27
ender2070	portable reactors	Mar 08 23:27
scientes	the US mil tried to put a nuclear reactor on a plane	Mar 08 23:27
scientes	I saw it in Idaho, outside	Mar 08 23:28
ender2070	also, do something about the god damned rainforest, that would curb c02	Mar 08 23:28
scientes	it was really cool	Mar 08 23:28
scientes	also the first breeder reactor in the world	Mar 08 23:28
scientes	EB-1	Mar 08 23:28
ender2070	ever heard of the radioactive boyscout ?	Mar 08 23:28
ender2070	it was a kid and he tried to make his own breeder reactor in a shack in his backyard	Mar 08 23:29
ender2070	he was using the golden book of chemisty experiements which was banned shortly after	Mar 08 23:30
ender2070	i have a copy of it	Mar 08 23:30
ender2070	its INSANE	Mar 08 23:30
ender2070	its a full technicolour-style book from the 60s, its written in a way that a kid under 10 could understand	Mar 08 23:31
ender2070	it tells you how to make mustard gas, and its for kids!	Mar 08 23:31
ender2070	LOL	Mar 08 23:31
ender2070	right before it tells you it also teaches you how to make the solution you need to save your life from it	Mar 08 23:31
ender2070	it also has all sorts of chemistry experiments, but i thought that was funny and/or totally deserving of a ban	Mar 08 23:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] An embarrassment of patents: http://i5.be/ayD		Mar 08 23:34
phIRCe-BNc	Title: The CIO Weblog: An embarrassment of patents .::. Size~: 182.25 KB	Mar 08 23:34
schestowitz	This is great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7wKzNIyCP8	Mar 08 23:55
phIRCe-BNc	Title: YouTube- Michael Shermer - Be Skeptical .::. Size~: 151.14 KB	Mar 08 23:55
schestowitz	Hahahaha! Watch the end there with Hitchens! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4_eg5bq_E4	Mar 08 23:55
phIRCe-BNc	Title: YouTube- Debunking 9/11 "Truth:" Pentagon & Flight 77 .::. Size~: 105.41 KB	Mar 08 23:55
ender2070	what does that have to do with global warming	Mar 08 23:59

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