IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 10th, 2010

sebsebseb	3D TV http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8558152.stm	Mar 10 00:02
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bruce89	crap	Mar 10 00:02
sebsebseb	bruce89: hrm?	Mar 10 00:02
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cubeman_	...	Mar 10 00:11
DaemonFC	hmmmm	Mar 10 00:15
DaemonFC	sound suppressors	Mar 10 00:15
DaemonFC	heh, minigun	Mar 10 00:20
DaemonFC	http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=rsilvers#p/u/23/uoqDDd9ScKk	Mar 10 00:20
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cubeman_	oh I must still be logged on my old computer	Mar 10 00:23
cubeman_	anyone know why my text is always grey in the new xchat?	Mar 10 00:23
schestowitz	tessier: load average: 10.18, 5.59, 2.90	Mar 10 00:23
DaemonFC	http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=rsilvers#p/u/30/6kXXqG-b4ZQ	Mar 10 00:23
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cubeman_	it's kind of annoying	Mar 10 00:23
schestowitz	I'm not sure why...	Mar 10 00:23
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Get me one	Mar 10 00:23
DaemonFC	please? :D	Mar 10 00:23
MinceR	He who owns / a minigun / fears not	Mar 10 00:24
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DaemonFC	MinceR, I meant the FN P90	Mar 10 00:24
DaemonFC	the minigun is nice, but you need to mount it to something	Mar 10 00:24
MinceR	that's no minigun	Mar 10 00:24
MinceR	hold it in your hands	Mar 10 00:24
MinceR	;)	Mar 10 00:24
schestowitz	mini-gun for mini-men	Mar 10 00:25
schestowitz	Stud drive Minis	Mar 10 00:25
cubeman_	I see BN got mentioned on slashdot	Mar 10 00:25
schestowitz	*ds	Mar 10 00:25
schestowitz	cubeman_: yes	Mar 10 00:25
schestowitz	tessier__ noticed first	Mar 10 00:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Milton Public Library and Other Regional Libraries Deploy #GNU #Linux http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/09/craigslist-library-linux/		Mar 10 00:26
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cubeman_	that could be why your server is busy	Mar 10 00:26
DaemonFC	MinceR, People are so hung up on what caliber bullet it fires.	Mar 10 00:26
DaemonFC	Past a certain point you're killing your accuracy and might even fuck up and break your wrist	Mar 10 00:27
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 10 00:27
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MinceR	but you'll kill your target even if he's in a lot of armor ;)	Mar 10 00:27
DaemonFC	MinceR, Coat the bullets in Teflon	Mar 10 00:27
DaemonFC	problem solved	Mar 10 00:27
MinceR	coat _bigger_ bullets in teflon.	Mar 10 00:27
MinceR	;)	Mar 10 00:28
DaemonFC	filing the tips is also another nasty thing you can do, MinceR	Mar 10 00:29
DaemonFC	that's illegal though	Mar 10 00:29
DaemonFC	but easy to do	Mar 10 00:29
MinceR	:)	Mar 10 00:30
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DaemonFC	that'll hurt even if you are wearing a vest	Mar 10 00:30
DaemonFC	maybe even break a bone	Mar 10 00:30
DaemonFC	http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2164/2318074275_fbf413e1fc.jpg	Mar 10 00:31
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DaemonFC	You'll notice the .40 S&W round is already kind of like that anyway	Mar 10 00:31
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cubeman_	test	Mar 10 00:32
cubeman_	finally	Mar 10 00:32
DaemonFC	the 9mm round's shape is part of why it's harder to kill someone with	Mar 10 00:32
cubeman_	test	Mar 10 00:32
cubeman_	test	Mar 10 00:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Cleaning out dead sites on wefixtech, discovered the old cyberratty site - back up at http://arkady.org.uk/cyberratty		Mar 10 00:34
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cubeman_	I'll stick with yellow I guess	Mar 10 00:35
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cubeman_	"It was the mid-90's. Windows had already been 'released' through version 3, but our IT department still considered it to be a joke. Unfortunately, someone in corporate had already drank the Microsoft Koolaide. The order was issued: We're going to become a Windows company"	Mar 10 00:38
cubeman_	the retail sector really got windowized in the mid 90's	Mar 10 00:39
cubeman_	it stil is, annoyingly so	Mar 10 00:40
oiaohm	Depends on the shop.	Mar 10 00:41
oiaohm	I deal with a lot that are still Unix/Linux backed.	Mar 10 00:42
cubeman_	that's good to hear	Mar 10 00:42
oiaohm	Note they were running Unix before the windows event happened.	Mar 10 00:42
oiaohm	Basically the older businesses.	Mar 10 00:43
DaemonFC	Bing usage is still flat	Mar 10 00:43
cubeman_	I assume if you talk into a retail store in Australia it's basically 95% windows?	Mar 10 00:43
cubeman_	talk=walk	Mar 10 00:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @slashdot: The World's First Commercially Available Jetpack http://bit.ly/9JqY9A		Mar 10 00:44
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cubezzz2	I'm converting another box to Fedora 12 at the moment	Mar 10 00:44
bruce89	do you want a glass one?	Mar 10 00:45
DaemonFC	hard to believe Ballmer is pouring that much money into a stagnant product that was DOA	Mar 10 00:45
cubezzz2	I believe it	Mar 10 00:45
cubezzz2	Ballmer will try to _force_ Bing on everyone	Mar 10 00:45
cubezzz2	"Back during the DOS 2.0 days, Microsoft intended for Xenix to be the successor to DOS. And the worst of Xenix was still preferable to the best of Windows"	Mar 10 00:47
cubezzz2	windows has a bad design	Mar 10 00:50
cubezzz2	it's just bad	Mar 10 00:50
bruce89	it was designed‽	Mar 10 00:54
DaemonFC	hmm, inflation makes Dirty Harry sound cheap. Doctor was going to cut his pants off so he wouldn't have to hurt taking them off. Dirty Harry says "For $29.50, let it hurt"	Mar 10 00:55
DaemonFC	makes it sound like KMart pants	Mar 10 00:55
DaemonFC	but $29.50 in 1971 is $154.54 now	Mar 10 00:56
DaemonFC	those were some expensive pants	Mar 10 00:56
cubezzz2	almost 40 years ago :)	Mar 10 00:56
DaemonFC	also, the killer asked for $100,000 at first, and $200,000 later, which is now $523,865.55 and $1,047,731.10	Mar 10 00:57
cubezzz2	no PCs in 1971	Mar 10 00:58
cubezzz2	I can remember those days	Mar 10 00:58
DaemonFC	My rent in 1971 would have been $89.72 a month	Mar 10 00:58
DaemonFC	:D	Mar 10 00:58
cubezzz2	a bag of hostess chips was 25 cents :)	Mar 10 00:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] there's nothing like discovering shock sites you'd never heard of by cleaning dead sites off yer hosting box ...		Mar 10 00:59
DaemonFC	inflation has also brought my rent down	Mar 10 00:59
cubezzz2	I can remember when gas was 50 cents per gallon	Mar 10 01:00
DaemonFC	$470 a month still, but that's $454.61 in 2006	Mar 10 01:00
DaemonFC	inflation has brought my rent down $15.39 a month	Mar 10 01:00
cubezzz2	1970 gas = $0.36 a gallon	Mar 10 01:00
cubezzz2	but here's the kicker:	Mar 10 01:01
DaemonFC	"What cost $0.36 in 1970 would cost $1.97 in 2009."	Mar 10 01:01
DaemonFC	USD right?	Mar 10 01:01
cubezzz2	yes	Mar 10 01:01
oiaohm	cubezzz2: the formal NT design is good	Mar 10 01:01
oiaohm	The MS implementation of the NT design is a complete mess.	Mar 10 01:01
cubezzz2	the avg hourly rate of pay was $1.65 :)	Mar 10 01:01
cubezzz2	oiaohm, and I believe a lot of stuff was embedded into the win32 layer	Mar 10 01:02
oiaohm	That does not follow the formal NT design. cubezzz2	Mar 10 01:02
cubezzz2	wow, $1.65 per hour sounds really low	Mar 10 01:03
oiaohm	ntdll in the formal nt design was intented to be the bridge between subsystems.	Mar 10 01:03
DaemonFC	cubezzz, in 1970?	Mar 10 01:03
cubezzz2	DaemonFC, yes	Mar 10 01:03
DaemonFC	$1.65 in 1970 is $9.02 in 2009	Mar 10 01:04
oiaohm	By the formal design you could run any one of the subsystems alone. cubezzz2	Mar 10 01:04
cubezzz2	is it possible to run windows in text mode in any version of windows?	Mar 10 01:04
oiaohm	Now you come forward to the non formal design following mess of NT today reomve the win32 subsystem everything stops.	Mar 10 01:04
cubezzz2	then they really botched it up	Mar 10 01:05
DaemonFC	cubezzz, Kind of	Mar 10 01:05
DaemonFC	Server Core	Mar 10 01:05
oiaohm	Server core can run with ntdll only features provied but its very limiting.	Mar 10 01:05
cubezzz2	some old timers are saying Xenix could have stopped the growth of Linux	Mar 10 01:05
oiaohm	Yes text only works from there.	Mar 10 01:05
oiaohm	There were far stronger Unix's and BSD that could have put up resistance to Linux.	Mar 10 01:06
oiaohm	And they failed so what chance did Xenix have.	Mar 10 01:06
DaemonFC	yeah, BSD got sued	Mar 10 01:06
scientes	GPL is superior	Mar 10 01:06
scientes	it encourages contribution over forking	Mar 10 01:06
cubezzz2	oiaohm, if Microsoft had put the effort into Xenix that it put into Windows...	Mar 10 01:06
DaemonFC	scientes, In some ways	Mar 10 01:06
cubezzz2	who knows what would have happened	Mar 10 01:07
scientes	especially for such a critical and high-quality piece	Mar 10 01:07
scientes	*neccicarily high-quality piece	Mar 10 01:07
oiaohm	With the same quality of implementors most. cubezzz2 I don't think it would have got far.	Mar 10 01:07
cubezzz2	but we have GNU/Linux so it's not too bad	Mar 10 01:07
DaemonFC	FreeBSD has ZFS now, where Linux has to have BtrFS built from scratch	Mar 10 01:07
scientes	BtrFS is a much better FS	Mar 10 01:07
DaemonFC	though with Oracle behind both, you wonder why they don't license ZFS under GPL somehow	Mar 10 01:07
scientes	ZFS is bloated	Mar 10 01:08
oiaohm	Linux has ZFS as fuse DaemonFC	Mar 10 01:08
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DaemonFC	doesn't count	Mar 10 01:08
scientes	if BSD was unencumbered first I think things would have been woorse	Mar 10 01:08
scientes	GPL worked	Mar 10 01:08
oiaohm	Currently not much uses ZFS.	Mar 10 01:09
scientes	BtrFS looks promising as _the_ future linux FS	Mar 10 01:09
scientes	NTFS is actually better	Mar 10 01:09
oiaohm	Really.	Mar 10 01:10
scientes	than the existing ext3	Mar 10 01:10
scientes	:P	Mar 10 01:10
scientes	waited to finish my sentence	Mar 10 01:10
oiaohm	Do you really know the internals of NTFS	Mar 10 01:10
scientes	extents	Mar 10 01:10
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scientes	streams	Mar 10 01:10
scientes	sort-of	Mar 10 01:10
scientes	it seems better than ext	Mar 10 01:10
oiaohm	streams are kinda fake.	Mar 10 01:10
DaemonFC	scientes, If it wasn't for ego wars, XFS would be the default	Mar 10 01:11
DaemonFC	and would have been for a while now	Mar 10 01:11
cubezzz2	ah the ego wars	Mar 10 01:11
cubezzz2	those never end :)	Mar 10 01:11
scientes	penis wars	Mar 10 01:11
oiaohm	Really all streams do really is filename\|someextra name.	Mar 10 01:11
oiaohm	In the file table in NTFS	Mar 10 01:11
scientes	oO0	Mar 10 01:11
scientes	is back versions a similar hack oiaohm ?	Mar 10 01:11
oiaohm	Yep	Mar 10 01:12
scientes	ahh	Mar 10 01:12
scientes	XFS has the B+ trees	Mar 10 01:12
oiaohm	extents in NTFS has the same kinds of limitations as VFS under Linux.	Mar 10 01:12
oiaohm	Ie you can over lay an directory.	Mar 10 01:13
scientes	CoW is better than journaling	Mar 10 01:13
oiaohm	Compared to ext4 and btrfs extents that are more flexable.	Mar 10 01:13
scientes	what about directory hardlinks	Mar 10 01:13
oiaohm	Basically NTFS really does not have that many extra feature.	Mar 10 01:14
oiaohm	Ext3 supports directory hardlinks	Mar 10 01:14
scientes	cool what Apple did with that in HFS	Mar 10 01:14
oiaohm	So does ext2 before and minix filesystem before that. scientes	Mar 10 01:14
scientes	should be turned on to create a wayback-machine clone	Mar 10 01:14
scientes	cause thats cool	Mar 10 01:14
scientes	or brtfs with mountable snapshops creates same effect with better performance	Mar 10 01:15
oiaohm	CoW and atomic systems have some advantages over journal based but they have there disadvantages asell.	Mar 10 01:15
oiaohm	Don't forget about logical volume management snapshotting as well scientes	Mar 10 01:16
oiaohm	There is more than 1 way to skin a roll back system cat.	Mar 10 01:16
scientes	I want a better gui for LVM and gparted support :P	Mar 10 01:17
oiaohm	Now the way XP trys to skin the cat of a roll back system is the one system that can never work right. You could bet that MS would find the one that shreds the skin and the cat leaving nothing usable.	Mar 10 01:18
oiaohm	really I would just like parted to have lvm support then it come up from there.	Mar 10 01:19
scientes	yep	Mar 10 01:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Upgrading a lowly Celeron 1GHz HP omnibook xe4100 to #ubuntu #lucid.. ..because I can.		Mar 10 01:20
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bruce89	popey means Celery 1Ghz	Mar 10 01:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IDG Gives a Platform for #Microsoft 's Familiar Attack Dogs (and Former Employees) to Attack #GNU Linux http://ur1.ca/ozah		Mar 10 01:24
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oiaohm	http://nuigroup.com/forums/viewthread/3220/ Now this is a nice multi touch table.	Mar 10 01:28
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DaemonFC	http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/03/08/2010-03-08_shot_protecting_religious_icon.html	Mar 10 01:30
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DaemonFC	idiot	Mar 10 01:30
scientes	lol celery	Mar 10 01:30
sebsebseb	bruce89: schestowitz ianto http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?blogid=14&entryid=2843	Mar 10 01:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mono lock-in potentially increased due to #Novell ’s #Banshee in #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/ozch		Mar 10 01:40
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Ender2070	http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/03/08/synnex-dials-digium-asterisk-switchvox-for-vars/	Mar 10 01:40
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Ender2070	I told ya he's disguising adverts as articles	Mar 10 01:41
*ianto likes Mono & .NET tbh		Mar 10 01:42
sebsebseb	ianto: bruce89 http://popey.com/blog/2010/03/08/roast-laptop/	Mar 10 01:44
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Ender2070	Mono & .NET are very bad	Mar 10 01:49
ianto	Ender2070: Yes, surprisingly Mono can't implement System.Windows.Forms.WebBrowser as required by my project	Mar 10 01:53
Ender2070	sounds like IE	Mar 10 01:54
ianto	It is an IE box, Google Maps thing	Mar 10 01:54
Ender2070	yeah sounds terrible	Mar 10 01:55
Ender2070	you're giving microsoft another legacy app that will cause them never to unintegrate IE	Mar 10 01:55
Ender2070	alternatively you can use webkit	Mar 10 01:59
Ender2070	you're app would become more portable as a result	Mar 10 01:59
oiaohm	You should see the mutent gecko engine wine uses for ie active x controll support.	Mar 10 02:21
oiaohm	And it don't even work 100 percent.	Mar 10 02:21
amarsh04	ABC radio is talking about the EU wanting to ban credit default swaps on sovereign debt	Mar 10 02:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Response to #RedHat #FUD from #Canonical ’s COO Matt Asay http://ur1.ca/ozh3 #ubuntu #apple #google		Mar 10 02:24
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amarsh04	what's there names who are bidding for novell were into that kind of practice, weren't they?	Mar 10 02:24
oiaohm	There is only 1 bid for Novell	Mar 10 02:24
amarsh04	I would trust Bill Murray to be a better FUD-buster than Matt Asay	Mar 10 02:24
oiaohm	And its a company you would not want to see a bid from. They specialising in buying and than slicesing and dicing companies to make proft.	Mar 10 02:25
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oiaohm	Bad thing for Novell is no other bids have turned up amarsh04	Mar 10 02:29
Ender2070	lol	Mar 10 02:36
Ender2070	i like the article	Mar 10 02:36
Ender2070	Our reader Brandon says that it sounds like Asay is “a conspiracy theorist now” (because of the speculative, provocative headlines). :)	Mar 10 02:37
oiaohm	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LUnix Somethings you come accross due to typos at times.	Mar 10 02:38
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oiaohm	Really if you are watching code submissions Redhat might not be the biggest mover and shaker in the Linux kernel by the end of 2010 Nokia might be.	Mar 10 02:39
schestowitz	gn	Mar 10 02:42
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cubezzz2	Lunix for c64 :)	Mar 10 02:46
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cubezzz	back on the oldie computer	Mar 10 02:51
cubezzz	that other tower is really noisey	Mar 10 02:53
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scientes	oiaohm lol	Mar 10 02:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] My System 76 Lemur review - http://is.gd/a5PqU #ubuntu #system76 #review		Mar 10 02:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC licence fee to increase by 2% \| Media \| guardian.co.uk - Shockaroonie - the gravy train continues http://tinyurl.com/yjl4u9f		Mar 10 03:01
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yuhong	http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/03/09/2159245/Jeff-Jaffe-Named-CEO-of-W3C	Mar 10 03:01
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yuhong	Mentions BN right there!	Mar 10 03:01
Ender2070	BAM	Mar 10 03:02
Ender2070	thats because its mine	Mar 10 03:02
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Ender2070	whoa whoa whoa	Mar 10 03:02
Ender2070	they completely butchered what I wrote and removed links to my blog	Mar 10 03:03
Ender2070	wtf	Mar 10 03:03
cubezzz	who did?	Mar 10 03:03
Ender2070	whichever slashdot editor approved it	Mar 10 03:03
cubezzz	you're the submitter?	Mar 10 03:03
Ender2070	yes	Mar 10 03:03
Ender2070	blozza2070 notes the news	Mar 10 03:03
yuhong	kdawson is the editor.	Mar 10 03:04
yuhong	But it still got the point out.	Mar 10 03:04
Ender2070	it got the point out by removing the source of the material	Mar 10 03:05
cubezzz	I submitted code to the MAME project and was never credited :)	Mar 10 03:05
cubezzz	it happens	Mar 10 03:05
Ender2070	lxer didnt re-write my submission	Mar 10 03:05
yuhong	http://slashdot.org/submission/1188074/Why-Modern-Business-Is-Bad-for-Your-Mental-Health	Mar 10 03:05
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Slashdot Submission \| Why Modern Business Is Bad for Your Mental Health .::. Size~: 46.33 KB	Mar 10 03:05
yuhong	Modded as spam!	Mar 10 03:05
Ender2070	witten by you though	Mar 10 03:08
Ender2070	written*	Mar 10 03:08
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yuhong	Yes.	Mar 10 03:10
yuhong	This is my submission.	Mar 10 03:10
yuhong	Anyone know or can guess why it was modded as spam?	Mar 10 03:10
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cubezzz	looking...	Mar 10 03:11
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cubezzz	no idea really	Mar 10 03:12
yuhong	Submit it again? Or do you know of anyway to get it removed?	Mar 10 03:12
yuhong	Submit it again? Or do you know of any way to get it removed?	Mar 10 03:13
Ender2070	forget it	Mar 10 03:13
cubezzz	if the editors don't like it... then they don't use it	Mar 10 03:14
Ender2070	if you re-submit its likely they'll spam all your stuff	Mar 10 03:14
cubezzz	maybe it's not techie enough	Mar 10 03:14
Ender2070	well at least I got boycott novell some slashdot traffic	Mar 10 03:15
Ender2070	i just wish they could've linked me in there somewhere	Mar 10 03:15
cubezzz	they used the 2070 part :)	Mar 10 03:16
yuhong	It did attract a comment: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1574500&cid=31397066	Mar 10 03:16
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cubezzz	I wrote an article about CBC and Linux but it wasn't used	Mar 10 03:17
Ender2070	heres the one i posted	Mar 10 03:17
Ender2070	http://news.slashdot.org/submission/1188642/There-go-our-web-standards	Mar 10 03:17
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yuhong	Yes, I see it.	Mar 10 03:17
yuhong	BTW, I tried to submit this four times:	Mar 10 03:17
yuhong	http://slashdot.org/submission/1168626/The-flaws-of-shareholder-value-and-agency-theory	Mar 10 03:17
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Slashdot Submission \| The flaws of shareholder value and agency theory .::. Size~: 46.09 KB	Mar 10 03:17
Ender2070	thats likely why you got a spam label	Mar 10 03:18
yuhong	I was going to give up after three, but then this came up:	Mar 10 03:18
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cubezzz	as long as the W3C helps make browsing work the same across all platforms then that's a good thing	Mar 10 03:18
Ender2070	what if the w3c said silverlight is required for HTML6	Mar 10 03:19
yuhong	http://slashdot.org/submission/1168626/The-flaws-of-shareholder-value-and-agency-theory	Mar 10 03:19
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Slashdot Submission \| The flaws of shareholder value and agency theory .::. Size~: 46.19 KB	Mar 10 03:19
yuhong	Wrong.	Mar 10 03:19
cubezzz	that would be a bad thing :)	Mar 10 03:19
Ender2070	exactly	Mar 10 03:19
yuhong	http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/02/08/1732204/A-Reflection-On-Sun-Executive-Payouts-For-Failure?art_pos=12	Mar 10 03:19
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amarsh04	new package in debian dependent on mono: mistelix	Mar 10 03:19
yuhong	And looking the discussion, you will see why I resubmitted it a fourth time.	Mar 10 03:20
cubezzz	it's simple really, it should help everyone, Mac, Amiga, BeOS, Unixes, etc	Mar 10 03:20
cubezzz	I would prefer my web page to work on all operating systems	Mar 10 03:20
cubezzz	that's why I don't use flash	Mar 10 03:21
yuhong	I know.	Mar 10 03:21
cubezzz	or mms or rtsp.. etc etc	Mar 10 03:22
yuhong	BTW, what do you think about the two slashdot submissions I mentioned.	Mar 10 03:23
yuhong	http://slashdot.org/submission/1168626/The-flaws-of-shareholder-value-and-agency-theory	Mar 10 03:23
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Slashdot Submission \| The flaws of shareholder value and agency theory .::. Size~: 46.17 KB	Mar 10 03:23
yuhong	http://slashdot.org/submission/1188074/Why-Modern-Business-Is-Bad-for-Your-Mental-Health	Mar 10 03:23
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Slashdot Submission \| Why Modern Business Is Bad for Your Mental Health .::. Size~: 47 KB	Mar 10 03:23
Ender2070	neither don't sound very techie	Mar 10 03:24
Ender2070	er	Mar 10 03:24
Ender2070	neither sound very techie	Mar 10 03:24
cubezzz	see, slashdot is mainly about technology yeah	Mar 10 03:24
cubezzz	basically I agree, people at the top of the corporate ladder are not ethical	Mar 10 03:24
yuhong	Yes, but the reason I submitted one of them a fourth time is this:	Mar 10 03:24
yuhong	http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/02/08/1732204/A-Reflection-On-Sun-Executive-Payouts-For-Failure?art_pos=12	Mar 10 03:24
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Slashdot Developers Story \| A Reflection On Sun Executive Payouts For Failure .::. Size~: 175.69 KB	Mar 10 03:24
Ender2070	yeah but sun is a tech company	Mar 10 03:25
yuhong	Which did get published, and after seeing the discussions, I thought it was a good idea.	Mar 10 03:25
yuhong	Anyway, my point was why?	Mar 10 03:25
yuhong	Anyway, my point was why.	Mar 10 03:25
Ender2070	both two you linked are generic	Mar 10 03:25
cubezzz	spam in this case probably meant "inappropriate" or something like that	Mar 10 03:26
yuhong	Anyway, my point was why people at the top of the corporate ladder are not ethical.	Mar 10 03:26
cubezzz	oh that :)	Mar 10 03:26
cubezzz	well it's a dog eat dog world	Mar 10 03:26
yuhong	Anyway, both articles' points was why people at the top of the corporate ladder are not ethical.	Mar 10 03:27
Ender2070	its generic business reading though	Mar 10 03:27
yuhong	I know.	Mar 10 03:27
yuhong	Yes.	Mar 10 03:27
Ender2070	the sun article had a tech company, so they published it	Mar 10 03:27
cubezzz	things aren't like GNU or people helping each other a lot of the time	Mar 10 03:27
Ender2070	if it was general motors instead of sun, it wouldnt be there	Mar 10 03:27
yuhong	Shareholder value and agency theory needs to be obsoleted.	Mar 10 03:27
cubezzz	unfortunately the selfish ones can rise to the top	Mar 10 03:27
yuhong	I know.	Mar 10 03:27
yuhong	Shareholder value and agency theory needs to be obsoleted.	Mar 10 03:27
Ender2070	heres the thing	Mar 10 03:27
Ender2070	Why Modern Business Is Bad for Your Mental Health	Mar 10 03:27
Ender2070	i'd reword it	Mar 10 03:27
cubezzz	"Why Modern Business is Bad" :)	Mar 10 03:28
cubezzz	period	Mar 10 03:28
Ender2070	no	Mar 10 03:28
Ender2070	I'd link Mental Health to causing it	Mar 10 03:28
Ender2070	psychopaths rise to the top	Mar 10 03:28
cubezzz	sociopaths I'd say	Mar 10 03:28
yuhong	Thanks to shareholder value and agency theory	Mar 10 03:28
Ender2070	they have no remorse for the people they screw over	Mar 10 03:28
cubezzz	psychopaths can't function very well :)	Mar 10 03:29
Ender2070	they can	Mar 10 03:29
Ender2070	its a genetic thing their parents can teach them how to behave properly	Mar 10 03:29
yuhong	More precisely, Homo economicus.	Mar 10 03:29
cubezzz	like that guy on the bus that cut the other guy's head off = psychopath	Mar 10 03:29
Ender2070	uhh i wouldnt say that	Mar 10 03:29
cubezzz	Ender2070, like the mind of a politician	Mar 10 03:30
cubezzz	that's what I mean	Mar 10 03:30
Ender2070	yes but thats because psychopaths crave power	Mar 10 03:30
cubezzz	no strong wrong or right	Mar 10 03:30
yuhong	And yes, that other slashdot submission mention it:	Mar 10 03:30
yuhong	http://slashdot.org/submission/1168626/The-flaws-of-shareholder-value-and-agency-theory	Mar 10 03:30
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Ender2070	money is power, and so is politics	Mar 10 03:30
cubezzz	then it's a flaw in humanity	Mar 10 03:30
Ender2070	why do politicians accept money so easily	Mar 10 03:30
Ender2070	lol	Mar 10 03:30
yuhong	I know.	Mar 10 03:31
Ender2070	they're all psychopaths	Mar 10 03:31
yuhong	I know.	Mar 10 03:31
Ender2070	psychopaths with a high IQ	Mar 10 03:31
cubezzz	example, Gates is already rich but.. he craves more control	Mar 10 03:31
yuhong	I know, homo economicus.	Mar 10 03:31
yuhong	Or economic man.	Mar 10 03:31
yuhong	http://slashdot.org/submission/1168626/The-flaws-of-shareholder-value-and-agency-theory	Mar 10 03:31
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cubezzz	why can't he be satisified with what he has?	Mar 10 03:31
Ender2070	well if money didnt exist they'd still be there	Mar 10 03:31
Ender2070	hell it hink they invented it	Mar 10 03:31
cubezzz	it's not just money though	Mar 10 03:31
cubezzz	it's control	Mar 10 03:31
Ender2070	money was invented for that reason	Mar 10 03:32
Ender2070	when barter was used, there was no middle man	Mar 10 03:32
cubezzz	money is so we don't need to barter :)	Mar 10 03:32
cubezzz	how much wheat does a computer cost?	Mar 10 03:32
Ender2070	yeah but the person who sets the value of the money controls both parties	Mar 10 03:32
Ender2070	:)	Mar 10 03:33
cubezzz	money used to be spice-based	Mar 10 03:33
yuhong	I know.	Mar 10 03:33
yuhong	And, yea, that is another mess.	Mar 10 03:33
Ender2070	then you have taxes	Mar 10 03:33
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yuhong	Anyway, read the actual HBR article:	Mar 10 03:34
yuhong	http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2010/02/why_modern_business_is_bad_for.html	Mar 10 03:34
Ender2070	another third party says you owe them a small portion of that transaction	Mar 10 03:34
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cubezzz	taxes can be good	Mar 10 03:34
Ender2070	taxes = slavery	Mar 10 03:34
yuhong	Another topic though.	Mar 10 03:34
cubezzz	good roads, good health care, good schools :)	Mar 10 03:34
Ender2070	richer politicians	Mar 10 03:34
Ender2070	richer businesses	Mar 10 03:35
yuhong	Anyway, read the actual HBR article:	Mar 10 03:35
yuhong	http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2010/02/why_modern_business_is_bad_for.html	Mar 10 03:35
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Why Modern Business Is Bad for Your Mental Health - The Conversation - Harvard Business Review .::. Size~: 72.46 KB	Mar 10 03:35
cubezzz	I'm sure it is bad	Mar 10 03:35
Ender2070	when the government uses your tax money on services, it doesn't look for the cheapest contractor	Mar 10 03:35
yuhong	But the point of article is why.	Mar 10 03:35
Ender2070	if it did we would see linux in schools	Mar 10 03:35
Ender2070	every school	Mar 10 03:35
cubezzz	Waterloo used Linux	Mar 10 03:35
Ender2070	i meant every school	Mar 10 03:35
cubezzz	not exclusively of course, but still	Mar 10 03:36
Ender2070	cause if it was a rule to go with the cheapest provider, then logically that would occur	Mar 10 03:36
yuhong	We need to move away from shareholder value.	Mar 10 03:36
cubezzz	yeah, there's no good reason why not	Mar 10 03:36
cubezzz	it's all mind control	Mar 10 03:36
Ender2070	yes	Mar 10 03:36
Ender2070	brainwashing: the science of thought control	Mar 10 03:36
Ender2070	good book	Mar 10 03:36
cubezzz	basically the politicians are clueless about FOSS	Mar 10 03:37
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cubezzz	REALLY clueless	Mar 10 03:37
Ender2070	if FOSS was writing them cheques they'd know	Mar 10 03:37
yuhong	Anyway, after I got frustrated, I submitted this to reddit:	Mar 10 03:37
cubezzz	you have lawyers deciding everything basically	Mar 10 03:37
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yuhong	http://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/b3174/the_problems_of_shareholder_value_and_agency/	Mar 10 03:37
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yuhong	http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2010/02/why_modern_business_is_bad_for.html	Mar 10 03:37
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Why Modern Business Is Bad for Your Mental Health - The Conversation - Harvard Business Review .::. Size~: 72.46 KB	Mar 10 03:37
cubezzz	I bought RHT stock, no regrets	Mar 10 03:38
Ender2070	redhat stock?	Mar 10 03:38
cubezzz	yes	Mar 10 03:38
yuhong	http://www.reddit.com/r/business/comments/baq3o/why_modern_business_is_bad_for_your_mental_health/	Mar 10 03:38
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Ender2070	i wish i did	Mar 10 03:38
cubezzz	bought in at 10.83 :)	Mar 10 03:38
DaemonFC	What was Matt Asay FUDding them with?	Mar 10 03:38
Ender2070	MacAsay was saying redhat was going to die because novell might	Mar 10 03:39
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cubezzz	nah :)	Mar 10 03:39
cubezzz	Redhat is the strongest Linux stock there is	Mar 10 03:39
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DaemonFC	and didn't stop and think that Novell has been squandering their Linux business to try and save a bunch of legacy crap?	Mar 10 03:40
cubezzz	Ender2070, did you know that Paul Allen still runs TOPS-10?	Mar 10 03:40
DaemonFC	if they'd jettison most of the rest and concentrate on Suse, they could pull through	Mar 10 03:40
cubezzz	you have to go with your gut instincts sometimes	Mar 10 03:41
cubezzz	my gut was telling me "buy Red Hat" :)	Mar 10 03:41
Ender2070	yeah	Mar 10 03:41
Ender2070	it killed the first day the stock opened up	Mar 10 03:41
cubezzz	I figured if they do 10% of what MIcrosoft does I'll be well off	Mar 10 03:42
DaemonFC	I think they're going to remove Rhythmbox in Ubuntu 10.10	Mar 10 03:42
Ender2070	of course	Mar 10 03:42
DaemonFC	and laying the groundwork to integrate Banshee now	Mar 10 03:42
Ender2070	bansheeeeeee	Mar 10 03:42
Ender2070	probably that paint app too	Mar 10 03:42
cubezzz	DaemonFC, why don't you try Fedora 12?	Mar 10 03:42
cubezzz	it's pretty good	Mar 10 03:42
Ender2070	he does	Mar 10 03:42
DaemonFC	that's what the preliminary Mono support in libubuntuone is for	Mar 10 03:42
Ender2070	ohhhhh really	Mar 10 03:42
DaemonFC	yep	Mar 10 03:43
cubezzz	I don't use Ubuntu :)	Mar 10 03:43
DaemonFC	per Jono	Mar 10 03:43
Ender2070	i wonder if ubuntu one is gonna sell music for banshee	Mar 10 03:43
DaemonFC	Ender2070, That's the plan	Mar 10 03:43
Ender2070	oh god	Mar 10 03:43
DaemonFC	the integration framework is in as of today	Mar 10 03:43
DaemonFC	they could just slap it right in if it wasn't past Freeze	Mar 10 03:43
DaemonFC	they'll move in on this for 10.10	Mar 10 03:43
DaemonFC	mark my words	Mar 10 03:43
Ender2070	i think i'm finally motivated enough to migrate my server off ubuntu	Mar 10 03:44
DaemonFC	Rhythmbox's days in Ubuntu are numbered	Mar 10 03:44
cubezzz	I never liked it really	Mar 10 03:44
DaemonFC	cubezzz, Ubuntu?	Mar 10 03:44
Ender2070	anything but banshee	Mar 10 03:44
cubezzz	yes :)	Mar 10 03:44
Ender2070	ohh	Mar 10 03:44
cubezzz	anyway, I'm Mr. Command Line :)	Mar 10 03:45
DaemonFC	they were alright until they stopped being like Debian and started being more like Suse/Mac/whatever	Mar 10 03:45
Ender2070	MacAsay must really be inspired with Apple's Itunes music store	Mar 10 03:45
cubezzz	I even use command line to adjust my volume :)	Mar 10 03:45
DaemonFC	7.04 was really their last good release	Mar 10 03:45
DaemonFC	initially they were more or less just Debian with newer packages	Mar 10 03:45
DaemonFC	which made them badass	Mar 10 03:45
Ender2070	yeah	Mar 10 03:46
DaemonFC	but now they're just throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks	Mar 10 03:46
Ender2070	it was a debian-unstable freeze if IIRC	Mar 10 03:46
DaemonFC	yeah, still is mostly	Mar 10 03:46
cubezzz	Fedora does the job for me	Mar 10 03:46
DaemonFC	but it's what's on top that's changing	Mar 10 03:46
Ender2070	I <3 Fedora	Mar 10 03:46
DaemonFC	does anyone have a GNOME Fedora 12 off the DVD?	Mar 10 03:47
DaemonFC	can anyone confirm Mono is still in there?	Mar 10 03:47
Ender2070	its there if you tell it to install ALL the packages on the dvd	Mar 10 03:47
cubezzz	I'm on Fc1 at the moment :)	Mar 10 03:47
DaemonFC	Ender2070, As of F11 just selecting GNOME DEsktop gave you Mono	Mar 10 03:47
Ender2070	on the dvd maybe	Mar 10 03:48
cubezzz	off the live CD, I don't think it does	Mar 10 03:48
Ender2070	not on the livecd at all	Mar 10 03:48
DaemonFC	no, LiveCD is clean	Mar 10 03:48
DaemonFC	is the push for Mono in GNOME strong within GNOME?	Mar 10 03:48
DaemonFC	or is those mostly distros bolting it on?	Mar 10 03:48
Ender2070	yes	Mar 10 03:48
cubezzz	Ender2070, I got a question about F12	Mar 10 03:49
Ender2070	gnome includes mono dependancies by default	Mar 10 03:49
DaemonFC	*this	Mar 10 03:49
cubezzz	is there a gui for installing new programs?	Mar 10 03:49
cubezzz	there doesn't seem to be one	Mar 10 03:49
cubezzz	under KDE	Mar 10 03:49
DaemonFC	I like GNOME	Mar 10 03:49
cubezzz	I have to switch to GNOME or just command line to install stuff	Mar 10 03:49
cubezzz	plus GNOME doesn't seem to have anything like klipper	Mar 10 03:50
Ender2070	kpackagekit	Mar 10 03:51
cubezzz	ah	Mar 10 03:51
Ender2070	it works at disabling and enabling repo's too	Mar 10 03:52
cubezzz	there was kpackage in the olden days :)	Mar 10 03:53
cubezzz	I just never used it	Mar 10 03:53
Ender2070	same	Mar 10 03:54
Ender2070	i didnt like fedora till more recently too	Mar 10 03:54
cubezzz	bah, you newbies :)	Mar 10 03:55
cubezzz	FC1 is the best EVAR :)	Mar 10 03:55
cubezzz	what about Redhat 8.0?	Mar 10 03:55
Ender2070	I used Redhat 5.2, 6.x, 7.1	Mar 10 03:56
cubezzz	ah well then	Mar 10 03:56
cubezzz	now does kpackage still work in FC1 I wonder	Mar 10 03:58
Ender2070	i doubt it	Mar 10 04:03
Ender2070	repos are LONG gone	Mar 10 04:03
cubezzz	I'm too scared to try it :)	Mar 10 04:03
cubezzz	yeah usually I just compile stuff	Mar 10 04:03
sebsebseb	I am being told else where that Apple got bought out by Microsoft	Mar 10 04:03
sebsebseb	hrm	Mar 10 04:03
sebsebseb	something about how apparnatly in USA can't have more than 80% of the market	Mar 10 04:04
cubezzz	they can't do that	Mar 10 04:04
Ender2070	umm	Mar 10 04:04
Ender2070	they _do_ own apple stocks	Mar 10 04:04
cubezzz	Microsoft invested money in Apple a while ago, then the divested later	Mar 10 04:04
cubezzz	the=they	Mar 10 04:05
DaemonFC	http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/08/dating.game.killer/?hpt=T2	Mar 10 04:05
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sebsebseb	yeah something about 1998 and something about buying GNU Step	Mar 10 04:05
cubezzz	Microsoft sold their Apple stocks at a profit btw	Mar 10 04:07
sebsebseb	I am going to copy in what that guy put, since I didn't explain it properly	Mar 10 04:07
cubezzz	umm, I think you mean NextStep	Mar 10 04:08
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sebsebseb	sebsebseb, in the USA you can not have more then 80% of the market or they cut your company into bits (example at&t 1970's)	Mar 10 04:08
sebsebseb	apple was dieing linuxx was only 2% of the market	Mar 10 04:08
Omar87	Howdy all! :D	Mar 10 04:08
cubezzz	you can't really buy GNU Step :)	Mar 10 04:08
sebsebseb	M$ buys out apple but keeps it under a different name	Mar 10 04:09
DaemonFC	GNUStep is a NextStep workalike, right?	Mar 10 04:09
DaemonFC	think I used it once	Mar 10 04:09
cubezzz	DaemonFC, yes	Mar 10 04:09
sebsebseb	then 2000ish apple buys out GnuSTeP from steven jobs	Mar 10 04:09
cubezzz	a FOSS version	Mar 10 04:09
sebsebseb	GnuSTeP w/ BSD code = mac os x	Mar 10 04:09
sebsebseb	basicly it was to save M$'s ass sebsebseb	Mar 10 04:10
cubezzz	NextStep was closed source anyways	Mar 10 04:10
sebsebseb	excuss my language	Mar 10 04:10
Omar87	The silliest news of the week, imho, are the Ubuntu logo and themes that were made using Apple Macs.	Mar 10 04:10
cubezzz	at Waterloo guys were playing Arkanoid on the Next computer :)	Mar 10 04:11
cubezzz	back in the late 80's	Mar 10 04:11
sebsebseb	Omar87: oh they were made with OS X	Mar 10 04:11
sebsebseb	:(	Mar 10 04:11
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WireWulf	o/	Mar 10 04:11
sebsebseb	Omar87: that's a bit like people making stuff for open source projects, using Photoshop	Mar 10 04:11
sebsebseb	anyway here's the guy I was on about	Mar 10 04:11
cubezzz	Fedora just seems better to me than all the others	Mar 10 04:11
Omar87	sebsebseb, what's their explanation? "Ubuntu is not ready for graphic design yet."	Mar 10 04:12
cubezzz	bah that's silly to say	Mar 10 04:12
sebsebseb	Omar87: I don't know, but I haven't read they were made using Mac OS X	Mar 10 04:12
cubezzz	we have GIMP, we have inkscape	Mar 10 04:12
cubezzz	I've done professional jobs using both	Mar 10 04:12
Omar87	sebsebseb, which is like saying "The camel is limping because it's having a headache."	Mar 10 04:13
WireWulf	both are still weak compared to photoshop	Mar 10 04:13
WireWulf	Unixxx will have a powerful photo editor one day soon	Mar 10 04:14
Omar87	cubezzz: Moreover, if huge and complicated projects like the Avatar movie were accomplished using Ubuntu, why can't some simple theme and logo designs be done using it as well?	Mar 10 04:14
sebsebseb	Omar87: Made with Photoshop on OS X?	Mar 10 04:14
cubezzz	heh	Mar 10 04:14
Omar87	sebsebseb, I guess, yes.	Mar 10 04:14
DaemonFC	Omar87, They used RHEL	Mar 10 04:14
DaemonFC	from what I read	Mar 10 04:15
cubezzz	let me put it this way...	Mar 10 04:15
cubezzz	I can't think of anything I need photoshop for	Mar 10 04:15
cubezzz	but feel free sending your money to Abode :)	Mar 10 04:15
DaemonFC	the Fedora 13 images are oversized	Mar 10 04:15
DaemonFC	may as well get the DVD ISO	Mar 10 04:15
Omar87	DaemonFC, http://www.jordanopensource.org/freeplanet/article/new-ubuntu-design-created-apple-mac	Mar 10 04:16
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WireWulf	havent messed with fedora in awail they really getting that bad?	Mar 10 04:16
cubezzz	I think Spiderman 2 used Linux too	Mar 10 04:16
DaemonFC	Omar87, Thought you were talking about Avatar	Mar 10 04:16
cubezzz	If you want small go for Tiny Core :)	Mar 10 04:17
sebsebseb	Omar87: maybe it wasn't clear enough or it was kind of, but you messaged wrong person, I wanted a link	Mar 10 04:17
sebsebseb	Omar87: for the Ubuntu thing	Mar 10 04:17
scientes	coreboot	Mar 10 04:17
scientes	or just debian standard installs	Mar 10 04:18
WireWulf	if you want small use a mini floppy os written in assmbler code from the 80's earily 90's	Mar 10 04:18
scientes	esp with emdebian	Mar 10 04:18
scientes	emdebian is actually quite sweet	Mar 10 04:18
scientes	grip	Mar 10 04:18
cubezzz	no thanks, I like C language	Mar 10 04:19
scientes	identical to debian, but no docs, man pages, or translations	Mar 10 04:19
cubezzz	and x86 isn't fun to program in	Mar 10 04:19
scientes	makes it like 1/2 the size	Mar 10 04:19
WireWulf	cubezzz, nope nor is x64 but it is still there	Mar 10 04:19
cubezzz	I'd crunch integers on a 6502 1 gigahertz if it existed	Mar 10 04:20
Omar87	sebsebseb, yeah, sorry.	Mar 10 04:20
scientes	WireWulf, x86_64	Mar 10 04:20
sebsebseb	Omar87: they should use native Linux tools	Mar 10 04:20
sebsebseb	Omar87: to make branding images	Mar 10 04:21
WireWulf	anyway is there a boycott java yet	Mar 10 04:21
scientes	or according to AMD, amd64	Mar 10 04:21
DaemonFC	http://geeksmack.net/mobile/1133-ubuntu-shows-up-on-smartphones	Mar 10 04:21
scientes	but x64 is a misnomer created by Microsoft	Mar 10 04:21
sebsebseb	WireWulf: uh what's up with Java? it's open source now, or most of it is	Mar 10 04:21
cubezzz	java is OK	Mar 10 04:21
cubezzz	I have nothing against it	Mar 10 04:21
WireWulf	sebsebseb, it is just too much for my rigs to take at times	Mar 10 04:21
Omar87	DaemonFC, http://jordanhall.co.uk/general-articles/avatar-film-rendered-with-enormous-ubuntu-server-farm-4701468/	Mar 10 04:21
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scientes	WireWulf, are you going to gripe about Linux next?	Mar 10 04:21
WireWulf	scientes, nope	Mar 10 04:22
WireWulf	well yes and no	Mar 10 04:22
Omar87	sebsebseb: Well, yes. They should have. But unfortunately they didn't.	Mar 10 04:22
cubezzz	Linux on ARM ftw	Mar 10 04:22
cubezzz	forget this wintel crap	Mar 10 04:23
sebsebseb	Omar87: not read the article yet, but soon, anyway that Matt guy likes OS X	Mar 10 04:23
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sebsebseb	Omar87: and 10.04 is more OS X like by default yep	Mar 10 04:23
Ender2070	[23:12] <WireWulf> anyway is there a boycott java yet	Mar 10 04:23
Ender2070	no but im thinking of a boycott-trolls	Mar 10 04:23
sebsebseb	Omar87: well would be even more so if they go with the grey by default	Mar 10 04:23
cubezzz	boycott intel :)	Mar 10 04:23
sebsebseb	Ender2070: I don't think he is here to troll	Mar 10 04:23
scientes	Microsoft tried to bloat Java http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf 16	Mar 10 04:23
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Omar87	Ender2070, nice one.	Mar 10 04:24
sebsebseb	Ender2070: plus I invited him, and talked to him a while else where on another network	Mar 10 04:24
cubezzz	and boycott quarter pounders with cheese because they make you fat :)	Mar 10 04:24
sebsebseb	Ender2070: he uses Gentoo and is doing Solaris at the moment, he seems to know tech stuff	Mar 10 04:24
sebsebseb	WireWulf: well your not actsually using Solaris at the moment?	Mar 10 04:24
WireWulf	umm useing win atm	Mar 10 04:24
Ender2070	[CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from WireWulf: xchat 2.8.7f Windows 6.1 [i686/1.80GHz].	Mar 10 04:25
WireWulf	not really got a say in that	Mar 10 04:25
Ender2070	paying for xchat?	Mar 10 04:25
cubezzz	WireWulf, why not?	Mar 10 04:25
WireWulf	Ender2070, nope	Mar 10 04:25
WireWulf	cubezzz, hardxware isnt linux friendly on this laptop	Mar 10 04:25
WireWulf	*hardware	Mar 10 04:26
cubezzz	ah, which one?	Mar 10 04:26
Ender2070	how did you get the 2.8.7f source?	Mar 10 04:26
WireWulf	Ender2070, i didnt do that either	Mar 10 04:26
Ender2070	30 day trial?	Mar 10 04:26
WireWulf	cracked	Mar 10 04:26
DaemonFC	Ender2070, He cracked it or paid for it, it won't build from source and say Xchat	Mar 10 04:26
Ender2070	LOL	Mar 10 04:26
DaemonFC	unless he edited the makefile	Mar 10 04:26
cubezzz	WireWulf, I can highly recommended a Panasonic Toughbook	Mar 10 04:26
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 10 04:26
*scientes laughs out lout		Mar 10 04:26
sebsebseb	WireWulf: and this is a publically logged channel	Mar 10 04:26
*cubezzz laughs		Mar 10 04:27
WireWulf	sebsebseb, so what i am a publicly logged user :P	Mar 10 04:27
scientes	not that its illegal	Mar 10 04:27
scientes	because xchat is open source	Mar 10 04:27
scientes	so cracking it is 100% legal	Mar 10 04:27
cubezzz	and sometimes sebsebseb uses torrents!	Mar 10 04:27
cubezzz	;-)	Mar 10 04:27
DaemonFC	Ender2070, If it says XChat, then it's paid for, cracked, or he edited the makefile by hand before he built from source. The free ones that you can build from source all say YChat.	Mar 10 04:27
Ender2070	its a tough one	Mar 10 04:27
sebsebseb	cubezzz: not all torrents are illegal	Mar 10 04:28
cubezzz	of course	Mar 10 04:28
WireWulf	nope	Mar 10 04:28
Ender2070	just because its open source doesn't mean you can crack it	Mar 10 04:28
WireWulf	not all copyrights are right either	Mar 10 04:28
scientes	if its licenced under the GPL	Mar 10 04:28
Ender2070	you can demand the source code	Mar 10 04:28
DaemonFC	Ender2070, also, the source you can get hasn't been updated and will report Windows Vista	Mar 10 04:28
DaemonFC	even on Windows 7	Mar 10 04:28
scientes	then the DMCA anti-circumvention clause does not apply	Mar 10 04:28
cubezzz	the best operating system was TOPS-10	Mar 10 04:29
scientes	vista 7	Mar 10 04:29
cubezzz	Paul Allen agrees with me :)	Mar 10 04:29
scientes	best vista yet!	Mar 10 04:29
WireWulf	win7 = windows 6.1 i offton wonder who did the math	Mar 10 04:29
DaemonFC	scientes, XChat will report Windows NT x.x, YChat will say Windows XP, Windows Vista	Mar 10 04:29
DaemonFC	etc.	Mar 10 04:29
Ender2070	for all you know all the authors of xchat may have agreed to relicense the windows binary	Mar 10 04:30
scientes	I dont really care DaemonFC	Mar 10 04:30
cubezzz	it's really closed source stuff I avoid	Mar 10 04:30
cubezzz	it could be closed source anything	Mar 10 04:30
scientes	Ender2070, they didn't, read the wikipedia page	Mar 10 04:30
Ender2070	[23:21] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from DaemonFC: xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu.	Mar 10 04:30
Ender2070	shouldn't it say ychat 2.8.6 Ubuntu ?	Mar 10 04:31
WireWulf	oh boy i stepped into this	Mar 10 04:31
DaemonFC	Ender2070, No	Mar 10 04:31
cubezzz	I'll save you the troube: X-Chat 2.0.7	Mar 10 04:31
cubezzz	ftw ;)	Mar 10 04:31
scientes	WireWulf, why are you here?	Mar 10 04:31
sebsebseb	[CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from sebsebseb: Konversation 1.2 (C) 2002-2009 by the Konversation team.	Mar 10 04:31
DaemonFC	Ender2070, I'm on Linux, it can say XChat on Linux, not Windows	Mar 10 04:31
WireWulf	scientes, was invited	Mar 10 04:31
scientes	WireWulf, do you really like Linux, but not "think its ready yet"?	Mar 10 04:31
DaemonFC	on Windows, XChat is only XChat if you pay for it	Mar 10 04:31
cubezzz	well it's not X then it is?	Mar 10 04:31
WireWulf	scientes, umm i love linux dude	Mar 10 04:31
DaemonFC	cubezzz, It's like Firefox	Mar 10 04:31
Ender2070	anyways	Mar 10 04:31
DaemonFC	They license their trademarks as they see fit	Mar 10 04:32
cubezzz	I bet I got the oldest xchat :)	Mar 10 04:32
Ender2070	lol	Mar 10 04:32
Ender2070	i used to use xchat till they started supporting windows more and demanding money	Mar 10 04:32
DaemonFC	if I forked XChat and called it XChat, I might be in trouble	Mar 10 04:32
scientes	there is another build	Mar 10 04:32
Ender2070	i dont care about another build	Mar 10 04:33
cubezzz	do we really need another iRC client? :)	Mar 10 04:33
Ender2070	im not giving that fucker critical mass	Mar 10 04:33
scientes	http://www.silverex.org/news/	Mar 10 04:33
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DaemonFC	Ender2070, The Windows build can't do anything the Linux build can't	Mar 10 04:33
DaemonFC	emoticons, that's about it	Mar 10 04:33
Ender2070	it lags behind in linux updates	Mar 10 04:33
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Ender2070	linux has 2.8.6	Mar 10 04:33
sebsebseb	scientes: that one is meant to be good	Mar 10 04:33
GnuWulf	ctc this rig	Mar 10 04:33
sebsebseb	Xchat is noob chat	Mar 10 04:33
sebsebseb	most Ubuntu users use it	Mar 10 04:33
DaemonFC	most of the updates only fix problems it has on Windows	Mar 10 04:33
sebsebseb	so yep noob chat :D	Mar 10 04:33
GnuWulf	*ctcp	Mar 10 04:33
DaemonFC	that's why	Mar 10 04:33
cubezzz	there you see, Wulf is GNU now :)	Mar 10 04:33
scientes	sebsebseb, ChatZilla is noob client	Mar 10 04:33
sebsebseb	most Ubuntu users that use IRC I should put	Mar 10 04:34
scientes	anyways, enough with the ego wars	Mar 10 04:34
cubezzz	you know I actually like the old xchat better	Mar 10 04:34
sebsebseb	scientes: maybe so for ChatZilla, but it's a good add on	Mar 10 04:34
cubezzz	you knew that was coming :)	Mar 10 04:34
GnuWulf	and i use irssi for some reason :P	Mar 10 04:34
GnuWulf	no clue why	Mar 10 04:34
Ender2070	11-Jun-2008	Mar 10 04:34
Ender2070	After some complaining and whining from a few people about how long it's taking, we've finally released a new Linux version: 2.8.6, enjoy.	Mar 10 04:34
DaemonFC	Ender2070, /version me again	Mar 10 04:34
sebsebseb	GnuWulf: Why the two names? Two computers?	Mar 10 04:34
Ender2070	last update	Mar 10 04:34
GnuWulf	sebsebseb: yup	Mar 10 04:34
GnuWulf	well 5 but i dont feel like turning them all on at once	Mar 10 04:35
Ender2070	[23:26] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from GnuWulf: irssi v0.8.14 - running on Linux i686.	Mar 10 04:35
Ender2070	woot	Mar 10 04:35
sebsebseb	[CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from GnuWulf: irssi v0.8.14 - running on Linux i686.	Mar 10 04:35
GnuWulf	think you	Mar 10 04:35
sebsebseb	GnuWulf: On your Gentoo?	Mar 10 04:35
GnuWulf	yup	Mar 10 04:36
Ender2070	wait wait wait, i686?	Mar 10 04:36
sebsebseb	Ender2070: later version of 32bit	Mar 10 04:36
GnuWulf	i686 = last version of the 32bit	Mar 10 04:36
GnuWulf	sorta	Mar 10 04:36
cubezzz	-cubezzz- VERSION xchat 2.0.7 Linux 2.4.22-1.2199.nptlsmp [i686/551.76MHz/SMP]	Mar 10 04:36
sebsebseb	GnuWulf: sorta?	Mar 10 04:36
GnuWulf	sebsebseb: well x64 still uses alot of x86 stuff hints x86_64 or whatever	Mar 10 04:37
Ender2070	im versed in the history	Mar 10 04:37
sebsebseb	GnuWulf: ah right ok	Mar 10 04:37
Ender2070	my system has 8GB of ram, cant run 32-bit	Mar 10 04:38
GnuWulf	cubezzz: got you a nice old p3 with linux 2.4 on it?	Mar 10 04:38
sebsebseb	Ender2070: What were you asking then? Or just a bit shocked he was on 32bit or something?	Mar 10 04:38
cubezzz	yeah :)	Mar 10 04:38
cubezzz	dual p3	Mar 10 04:38
GnuWulf	nice	Mar 10 04:38
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GnuWulf	i have a p4 3.12@3.06 1gb ram	Mar 10 04:39
cubezzz	this is the oldest desktop I still use	Mar 10 04:39
computerguysydne	wow, i got an acer one	Mar 10 04:39
sebsebseb	computerguysydne: Who are you?	Mar 10 04:39
DaemonFC	Ender2070, That's one problem Fedora has, no bundle of 32-bit libraries	Mar 10 04:39
GnuWulf	i use to have a p1 that did my net music streaming	Mar 10 04:39
DaemonFC	you just have to examine why every time something fails	Mar 10 04:39
cubezzz	GnuWulf, my Zaurus is a bit older :)	Mar 10 04:40
cubezzz	2.4.6	Mar 10 04:40
computerguysydne	male 23 can	Mar 10 04:40
sebsebseb	computerguysydne: You just found this channel or?	Mar 10 04:40
DaemonFC	figure out what library you don't have, yum whatprovides libfoo.386	Mar 10 04:40
computerguysydne	?	Mar 10 04:41
GnuWulf	computerguysydne: sup dude? why you here? and really xnew ppl keep making me feel young	Mar 10 04:41
Ender2070	[23:31] <DaemonFC> Ender2070, That's one problem Fedora has, no bundle of 32-bit libraries	Mar 10 04:41
Ender2070	LOL so wrong	Mar 10 04:42
cubezzz	after your OS gets old yum stops working	Mar 10 04:42
Ender2070	yum install wine, it'll pull them	Mar 10 04:42
computerguysydne	just browsin	Mar 10 04:42
DaemonFC	what if I don't want Wine? :)	Mar 10 04:42
sebsebseb	computerguysydne: Ok welcome to the channel	Mar 10 04:42
sebsebseb	computerguysydne: found it on /list or?	Mar 10 04:42
Ender2070	[23:30] <sebsebseb> Ender2070: What were you asking then? Or just a bit shocked he was on 32bit or something?	Mar 10 04:42
Ender2070	shocked	Mar 10 04:42
*GnuWulf doesnt fully trust x64 yet		Mar 10 04:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] About to do some mixing in the Severed Fifth studio live at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/severed-fifth-live-in-the-studio		Mar 10 04:43
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DaemonFC	GnuWulf, FUD	Mar 10 04:43
DaemonFC	no reason to run 32-bit x86 unless your processor is old	Mar 10 04:43
DaemonFC	or you have a netbook	Mar 10 04:43
computerguysydne	i do	Mar 10 04:43
cubezzz	I'm not really a big fan of x86	Mar 10 04:43
cubezzz	still looking for an ARM desktop :)	Mar 10 04:44
GnuWulf	DaemonFC: my desktops are old my lappy is x64 but i am just idk not really sure about x64 computing atm	Mar 10 04:44
GnuWulf	cubezzz: good luck	Mar 10 04:44
cubezzz	this box is 12 years old and it still works perfect	Mar 10 04:45
DaemonFC	there's no problems with X86-64	Mar 10 04:45
DaemonFC	it's backward compatible	Mar 10 04:45
DaemonFC	brb	Mar 10 04:45
GnuWulf	DaemonFC: there is always some issue you do not see at frist with everything	Mar 10 04:45
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GnuWulf	and besides i got till 2038 toget use to x64 and maybe x128 computing	Mar 10 04:46
GnuWulf	which seems to be a upcome realism in the short term if M$ has there way	Mar 10 04:50
GnuWulf	*up comeing	Mar 10 04:50
GnuWulf	anyway i will brb i most smoke for some reason	Mar 10 04:51
scientes	nicotine addiction	Mar 10 04:52
scientes	or propritary smoke and mirrors addiction :P	Mar 10 04:52
cubezzz	I don't think there's "Open Smokes" :)	Mar 10 04:52
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Ender2070	natives	Mar 10 04:56
Ender2070	no proprietary chemical additives ;)	Mar 10 04:57
cubezzz	did First Nations smoke?	Mar 10 04:57
cubezzz	they had peace pipes or something right?	Mar 10 04:57
GnuWulf	everyone has there vice	Mar 10 04:57
Ender2070	they got us hooked	Mar 10 04:57
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Legend of Koizumi chapter 21 is now out http://ur1.ca/ozy6		Mar 10 04:57
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tessier__	http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?RSS&entryid=1369	Mar 10 04:57
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tessier__	Wow. 25% of Brazil uses OpenOffice	Mar 10 04:57
*cubezzz frowns		Mar 10 04:58
cubezzz	only 25%?	Mar 10 04:58
cubezzz	;-)	Mar 10 04:58
scientes	not very good	Mar 10 04:58
scientes	should be higher	Mar 10 04:58
Ender2070	yeah isn't it 25% in US too?	Mar 10 04:58
scientes	and 25% of what?	Mar 10 04:58
GnuWulf	i use OO.o but that cuz i really dislike M$ word	Mar 10 04:58
cubezzz	I'd love to know the real percentage	Mar 10 04:58
scientes	if its people thats pretty good	Mar 10 04:58
*GnuWulf is wondering why vista and win7 droped openGL support (sorta pissy)		Mar 10 05:00
tessier__	OpenGL is the open standard which even Linux supports.	Mar 10 05:00
Ender2070	to get more devs on directx and depreciate opengl	Mar 10 05:00
Ender2070	opengl gets emulated and ends up being slower	Mar 10 05:00
tessier__	DirectX is Microsoft's own lock-in technology.	Mar 10 05:00
tessier__	So of course they want everyone to use that instead.	Mar 10 05:00
GnuWulf	openGL is better + more gameing companys use it	Mar 10 05:01
Ender2070	i wish that was true	Mar 10 05:01
GnuWulf	i havent seen a major change in Directx in awail	Mar 10 05:01
GnuWulf	Ender2070: the ones i like still use it	Mar 10 05:01
Ender2070	theres a rare few	Mar 10 05:02
GnuWulf	bioware is a major company still useing it	Mar 10 05:02
Ender2070	i hope valve does source for linux	Mar 10 05:02
Ender2070	isn't bioware a ms ally?	Mar 10 05:03
DaemonFC	bioware is a good company	Mar 10 05:04
DaemonFC	they do good work	Mar 10 05:04
GnuWulf	Ender2070: bioware also said they loved the fact ppl was useing there products in wine	Mar 10 05:04
DaemonFC	they did KOTOR	Mar 10 05:04
DaemonFC	KOTOR II went to Obsidian and was so-so	Mar 10 05:04
GnuWulf	ravensoft did nwn	Mar 10 05:05
GnuWulf	but had a different company put it out for them	Mar 10 05:05
DaemonFC	Darth Traya was about fucking hard enough to kill	Mar 10 05:05
tessier__	schestowitz: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=1953&blogid=14 Lots of companies out there secretly violating the NDA to avoid patent suits?	Mar 10 05:05
DaemonFC	the rest of the game put together wasn't that hard	Mar 10 05:05
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DaemonFC	the first time I went to face her, the game didn't spawn her	Mar 10 05:06
DaemonFC	I had to load my last save	Mar 10 05:06
GnuWulf	then there is id who stated they would have issues retrianing there coders to use directx so they will stick to openGL	Mar 10 05:06
DaemonFC	OpenGL runs on every platform	Mar 10 05:07
DaemonFC	they don't want to be tied down	Mar 10 05:07
DaemonFC	smart	Mar 10 05:07
GnuWulf	DaemonFC: in pc gameing directx may rule but most gameing systems (ie playstation,wii,few others) use openGL	Mar 10 05:09
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DaemonFC	yeah, no sense in paying to license DirectX	Mar 10 05:10
GnuWulf	someone oncxe told my that *nix gameing is the reason it isn't popular	Mar 10 05:11
DaemonFC	*gaming	Mar 10 05:12
DaemonFC	well, the gaming on Windows is a lot of bad titles	Mar 10 05:12
Ender2070	AMD is funny	Mar 10 05:12
DaemonFC	and a few good ones	Mar 10 05:12
tessier__	Windows lock-in is why	Mar 10 05:12
tessier__	I remember on my Apple II I used to have to actually boot the disk with the game on it	Mar 10 05:13
tessier__	The game had its own OS and everything it needed.	Mar 10 05:13
tessier__	Then came the PC with a zillion different kinds of hardware and that went away.	Mar 10 05:13
GnuWulf	Windows is only the king becuase people think it is the only os	Mar 10 05:13
GnuWulf	for example i am 20 most ppl my age dont use any unix based os	Mar 10 05:14
GnuWulf	or even seen a cp/m computer	Mar 10 05:14
Ender2070	im 25	Mar 10 05:14
Ender2070	started with ms-dos unfortunately	Mar 10 05:14
GnuWulf	lol @ ms-dos	Mar 10 05:14
Ender2070	however	Mar 10 05:15
Ender2070	i did get pc-dos a little later instead	Mar 10 05:15
Ender2070	but i didnt even know unix or linux existed till about 1999	Mar 10 05:15
*tessier__ discovered Linux in spring of '94		Mar 10 05:15
*scientes was very young then		Mar 10 05:16
GnuWulf	unix started in 1963 as an at&t engear started "play" with cp/m	Mar 10 05:16
tessier__	Been using it exclusively ever since	Mar 10 05:16
GnuWulf	heard to believe becuase i am trying to learn unixx system V r4 better known as solaris	Mar 10 05:17
GnuWulf	which is not Unix but a unix based os	Mar 10 05:17
GnuWulf	tessier__: my school had us start learning computers like the apple II se4 at a young age	Mar 10 05:19
GnuWulf	then i learned windows and started feeling depressed alot	Mar 10 05:19
GnuWulf	Ender2070: closest i have came to dos is freeDOS and windows command propt saddly	Mar 10 05:20
GnuWulf	well and dosbox if that counts till i got freedoom anyway	Mar 10 05:20
GnuWulf	i use windows for schooling and tho i am not in school atm i hope to go to college again one day	Mar 10 05:21
DaemonFC	http://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1462	Mar 10 05:22
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GnuWulf	i wished i know codeing :P	Mar 10 05:23
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GnuWulf	hi Omar87	Mar 10 05:26
GnuWulf	anyone think win8 has a hope of being x128 compadible?	Mar 10 05:27
cubezzz	there's no x128 cpu	Mar 10 05:28
Omar87	GnuWulf, hey	Mar 10 05:29
GnuWulf	cubezzz: thats what i was thinking yet M$ coders say it there will be a x128 win8 version	Mar 10 05:29
Omar87	GnuWulf, dude that's what cocaine does to those M$ retards.	Mar 10 05:29
GnuWulf	lol	Mar 10 05:30
DaemonFC	http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20100308225832_ATI_Nvidia_Bribes_Game_Developers_to_Promote_PhysX.html	Mar 10 05:30
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Omar87	GnuWulf, M$ coders can daydream and hallucinate all they want, ya know. :P	Mar 10 05:30
GnuWulf	Omar87: i have to say i respect them if they are coding to versions for a cpu that isnt around :P	Mar 10 05:30
GnuWulf	*two	Mar 10 05:31
Omar87	GnuWulf, LOL! :D	Mar 10 05:31
GnuWulf	win9 is projected as x128 only	Mar 10 05:31
cubezzz	they were looking at two x86's with blurry vision :)	Mar 10 05:32
Omar87	GnuWulf, Microsoft is the land of ultimate hallucination and mass-hypnosis, ya know. That's how they make money.	Mar 10 05:32
*scientes thinks gnuwulf is a shill		Mar 10 05:32
scientes	or is being ironic	Mar 10 05:32
GnuWulf	scientes: i trool fourms alot and i remember reading stuff like that	Mar 10 05:32
GnuWulf	*troll	Mar 10 05:32
scientes	cause its some of the most rediculous vaporware ive heard	Mar 10 05:33
Ender2070	I get a lot of trolls on my blog	Mar 10 05:34
cubezzz	I'm building a x256 :)	Mar 10 05:34
cubezzz	neiner neiner	Mar 10 05:34
Ender2070	x1024.....	Mar 10 05:34
GnuWulf	cubezzz: i am building x1024 :P	Mar 10 05:34
cubezzz	lol	Mar 10 05:34
Ender2070	:P	Mar 10 05:34
GnuWulf	i could see x128 in the works but i dont see it being ready	Mar 10 05:35
Ender2070	actually, you guys can fool around with that crap	Mar 10 05:35
Ender2070	cubits, fuck bits	Mar 10 05:35
Diablo-D3	x128?	Mar 10 05:35
cubezzz	http://www.iyonix.com/	Mar 10 05:35
scientes	GnuWulf, you should go learn some more about computers instead of just trolling	Mar 10 05:36
scientes	and gossiping	Mar 10 05:36
Ender2070	LOL	Mar 10 05:36
cubezzz	never seemed to catch on though	Mar 10 05:36
Ender2070	2nd person to call him a troll	Mar 10 05:36
GnuWulf	yay	Mar 10 05:36
scientes	like, just install linux	Mar 10 05:36
GnuWulf	:P	Mar 10 05:36
Diablo-D3	what the fuck is anyone even talking about	Mar 10 05:36
scientes	learn how to use it	Mar 10 05:36
Diablo-D3	wtf is a x128?	Mar 10 05:37
scientes	server maintainance, package management, etc, etc	Mar 10 05:37
GnuWulf	Diablo-D3: a figment of a M$ coders mind	Mar 10 05:37
cubezzz	Diablo-D3, vapourware	Mar 10 05:37
scientes	it's not that difficult	Mar 10 05:37
scientes	and its the only way to learn	Mar 10 05:37
tessier__	http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/microsoft-accused-of-sneaking-ie-clones-into-browser-ballot-5607	Mar 10 05:37
cubezzz	you know, running windows 9 :)	Mar 10 05:37
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Microsoft Accused Of Sneaking IE Clones Into Browser Ballot \| eWEEK Europe UK .::. Size~: 37.18 KB	Mar 10 05:37
tessier__	Sneaky sneaky	Mar 10 05:37
*Diablo-D3 gives up.		Mar 10 05:37
GnuWulf	Diablo-D3: it is a fake cpu reported will work with win8	Mar 10 05:38
Diablo-D3	um	Mar 10 05:38
Diablo-D3	but you're not making any sesne	Mar 10 05:38
Diablo-D3	what is it?	Mar 10 05:39
jweyrich	stop feeding the trolls.	Mar 10 05:39
*Diablo-D3 goes back to ddossing their countries of origin then		Mar 10 05:39
GnuWulf	.Robert Morgan is working to get IA-128 working backwards with full binary compatibility on the existing IA-64 instructions in the hardware simulation to work for Windows 8 and definitely Windows 9..	Mar 10 05:40
Diablo-D3	ahh	Mar 10 05:40
Diablo-D3	more context makes it clearer	Mar 10 05:40
Diablo-D3	problem is, intel is not working on an ia-128 afiak	Mar 10 05:41
jweyrich	GnuWulf: give any reference that proofs it.	Mar 10 05:41
scientes	GnuWulf, you are talking about products that do not exist as if they existed	Mar 10 05:41
DaemonFC	why would they?	Mar 10 05:41
scientes	about version of Vista that do not yet exist	Mar 10 05:42
scientes	more trecherous computing, more anti-features	Mar 10 05:42
GnuWulf	scientes: i just like to read those there funny	Mar 10 05:42
scientes	and a instruction that doesn't exist, and both Intel and AMD deny	Mar 10 05:42
scientes	GnuWulf, repeating it is trolling	Mar 10 05:43
Diablo-D3	windows doesnt support ia64 as of win8 anyhow	Mar 10 05:43
scientes	Vista 8, aka Vista.2, doesn't exist	Mar 10 05:43
jweyrich	microsoft merely launched win7. it has tons of bugs, including the crap called UAC.	Mar 10 05:44
cubezzz	I'm sure they got something in the works	Mar 10 05:44
scientes	jweyrich, security treatre called UAC http://www.pretentiousname.com/misc/win7_uac_whitelist2.html	Mar 10 05:44
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Windows 7 UAC whitelist: Code-injection Issue (and more) .::. Size~: 73.96 KB	Mar 10 05:44
jweyrich	almost everyone knows how to bypass UAC.	Mar 10 05:45
Ender2070	microsoft hesitated about 64-bit at first, why would they support something that isn't even prototyped yet	Mar 10 05:45
GnuWulf	Ender2070: idk dude	Mar 10 05:46
cubezzz	there's rumours of a 128-bit AMD cpu	Mar 10 05:46
jweyrich	and seriously, require signature to load drivers? hmmm! that sounds like BAD design.	Mar 10 05:46
Ender2070	a signature requires fees :)	Mar 10 05:46
Ender2070	$$$	Mar 10 05:47
GnuWulf	cubezzz: but that would make intel no some much a M$ loveing cpu :O	Mar 10 05:47
Ender2070	windows 7 can't even support the full amount of ram that 64-bit arch supports	Mar 10 05:47
GnuWulf	*so much	Mar 10 05:47
GnuWulf	win7 is just a prettier vista XD	Mar 10 05:47
GnuWulf	hints the whole 6.1 thing	Mar 10 05:48
cubezzz	http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/enterprise/352270/microsoft-leaks-details-of-windows-8-and-windows-9	Mar 10 05:48
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*jweyrich wants fatelf to be wide deployed. kthxbye		Mar 10 05:48
jweyrich	widely*	Mar 10 05:48
GnuWulf	what is a	Mar 10 05:49
GnuWulf	fuck	Mar 10 05:49
Ender2070	they often leak fake shit	Mar 10 05:49
Ender2070	listen to friedman's testimony	Mar 10 05:49
Ender2070	like the dos 7 vapourware	Mar 10 05:49
GnuWulf	what is a spectrum emulator?	Mar 10 05:50
jweyrich	mv pcpro /dev/null	Mar 10 05:50
GnuWulf	in dumbasses terms please :P	Mar 10 05:50
Ender2070	ms leaks are some of their oldest marketing techniques	Mar 10 05:50
Ender2070	[00:37] <cubezzz> there's rumours of a 128-bit AMD cpu	Mar 10 05:51
Ender2070	lol?	Mar 10 05:51
GnuWulf	nvm i will read what it does	Mar 10 05:52
GnuWulf	http://www.worldofspectrum.org/x128/ i still wonder what it does :P	Mar 10 05:53
GnuWulf	spectrum emulator-emulates a BASIC Development environmen	Mar 10 05:55
GnuWulf	nice to know my old college txt books had that i guess	Mar 10 05:56
jweyrich	GnuWulf: just saw the robert morgan's linkedin profile. totally fake.	Mar 10 05:57
GnuWulf	jweyrich: no shit :P	Mar 10 05:57
jweyrich	it's sad tons of websites keep spreading this shit around the world.	Mar 10 05:58
GnuWulf	mmhmm	Mar 10 05:58
GnuWulf	cuz it is M$	Mar 10 05:58
GnuWulf	but i still don't get what a dos spectrum x128 emulator does	Mar 10 05:59
jweyrich	it emulates a 8bit old pc.	Mar 10 05:59
jweyrich	what do you expect to do with that?	Mar 10 05:59
jweyrich	zxspec is 30 years old.	Mar 10 05:59
jweyrich	at least.	Mar 10 06:00
cubezzz	there was a commodore 128	Mar 10 06:01
cubezzz	but that's not a 128-bit cpu :)	Mar 10 06:01
jweyrich	zxspectrum.net <- playground	Mar 10 06:01
GnuWulf	jweyrich: why do that?	Mar 10 06:02
jweyrich	??	Mar 10 06:02
GnuWulf	why emulate old hardware that isnt widly used anymore	Mar 10 06:03
cubezzz	there's lots of reasons to run an emulator	Mar 10 06:04
cubezzz	dosbox for old dos games	Mar 10 06:04
GnuWulf	:P	Mar 10 06:04
jweyrich	GnuWulf: probably it's made by a fanatic.	Mar 10 06:04
jweyrich	can't guess though.	Mar 10 06:05
cubezzz	MAME, emulating old arcade games...	Mar 10 06:05
GnuWulf	jweyrich: i knew ppl emulated atari stuff but really emulation sort bores me	Mar 10 06:05
jweyrich	that's like seeing people using atari emulators. not big reason.	Mar 10 06:05
jweyrich	yep.	Mar 10 06:06
GnuWulf	i would reather use the full capiblities of my hardware	Mar 10 06:06
GnuWulf	to play a game	Mar 10 06:06
GnuWulf	:P	Mar 10 06:06
GnuWulf	and emulation can be hell on a computer :P i tried vba on my win7 laptop and massively failed	Mar 10 06:08
cubezzz	Lands of Lore ftw :)	Mar 10 06:08
cubezzz	plus I wrote quite a number of dos programs	Mar 10 06:08
cubezzz	it's nice to still have them	Mar 10 06:08
GnuWulf	cubezzz: lands of lore?	Mar 10 06:08
GnuWulf	^most likly before my time	Mar 10 06:09
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lands_of_Lore	Mar 10 06:09
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cubezzz	1993	Mar 10 06:09
GnuWulf	mmmkay most likly before i know there was games outside of nes and snes	Mar 10 06:09
jweyrich	Stunts FTW	Mar 10 06:10
GnuWulf	mario :P	Mar 10 06:10
jweyrich	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stunts_(video_game)	Mar 10 06:10
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GnuWulf	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blades_of_Steel	Mar 10 06:12
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GnuWulf	my favorit game for my old nes and it is older then me XD	Mar 10 06:12
jweyrich	the manager, a soccer game for DOS too. 1991	Mar 10 06:12
*GnuWulf likes hockey		Mar 10 06:13
GnuWulf	and american football	Mar 10 06:13
GnuWulf	and dislikes zenwalk cuz it never wants to work	Mar 10 06:13
jweyrich	I'm off to bed. need some rest.	Mar 10 06:14
jweyrich	good night everyone.	Mar 10 06:14
jweyrich	or good day.	Mar 10 06:14
GnuWulf	gn	Mar 10 06:14
GnuWulf	or in my case good mourning :P	Mar 10 06:14
GnuWulf	*morning	Mar 10 06:14
DaemonFC	http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/09/AR2010030902670.html?hpid=moreheadlines	Mar 10 06:14
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DaemonFC	jono, What's with the updates that have bad dependences? (parted, gparted)?	Mar 10 06:16
cubezzz	at one time the game big three was Amiga, ST and DOS	Mar 10 06:17
DaemonFC	yay DOS	Mar 10 06:17
GnuWulf	now there is windows and the consule wars xD	Mar 10 06:19
jono	DaemonFC, I have no idea what you are on about	Mar 10 06:20
DaemonFC	GnuWulf, The thing is that Microsoft hasn't been a success in the console market	Mar 10 06:20
DaemonFC	jono, Can't install gparted or parted updates	Mar 10 06:20
DaemonFC	been sitting there for two days now	Mar 10 06:20
jono	DaemonFC, no idea	Mar 10 06:21
GnuWulf	DaemonFC: thing is xbox sucks i ama go play wii :P	Mar 10 06:21
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GnuWulf	omg zenwalk gnome is working i am shocked	Mar 10 06:22
GnuWulf	shocked	Mar 10 06:22
DaemonFC	The following packages have been kept back:	Mar 10 06:22
DaemonFC	parted udisks	Mar 10 06:22
DaemonFC	heh	Mar 10 06:22
GnuWulf	DaemonFC: what distro?	Mar 10 06:23
DaemonFC	jono, Ubuntu should be more like DOS	Mar 10 06:23
DaemonFC	DOS never gave me bad dependencies	Mar 10 06:23
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 10 06:23
GnuWulf	windows says i am missing a .dll	Mar 10 06:23
GnuWulf	<.<	Mar 10 06:23
cubezzz	just run anything old DaemonFC	Mar 10 06:23
cubezzz	then you aren't continually updating	Mar 10 06:23
cubezzz	believe me, I know :)	Mar 10 06:24
DaemonFC	someone just needs to shit or get off the pot here	Mar 10 06:24
DaemonFC	upload the fucking updated dependency packages already	Mar 10 06:24
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 10 06:24
GnuWulf	lol	Mar 10 06:24
GnuWulf	DaemonFC: you could compile them yourself	Mar 10 06:24
GnuWulf	or lib hunt them down yourself	Mar 10 06:25
*GnuWulf has did both		Mar 10 06:25
GnuWulf	for the same program too witch was wow :P	Mar 10 06:26
*GnuWulf punches WireWulf		Mar 10 06:26
DaemonFC	heh	Mar 10 06:27
DaemonFC	someone asked if I had any better ideas than the mayor firing all those police officers and firefighters and putting the extra equipment on eBay	Mar 10 06:28
GnuWulf	:O	Mar 10 06:28
DaemonFC	I say "Yeah, as a matter of fact...I think we should put the mayor, the city council, and our prosecutor on eBay, list in the description the status of the town when they got in and where we are now, and see if there's any bids"	Mar 10 06:29
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DaemonFC	I think we should all agree to go back to subsistence farming	Mar 10 06:31
DaemonFC	there's no taxes at all that way B-)	Mar 10 06:31
GnuWulf	i am not a fan of big goverment or studing goverment	Mar 10 06:33
GnuWulf	but :P	Mar 10 06:33
Ender2070	[01:22] <DaemonFC> I think we should all agree to go back to subsistence farming	Mar 10 06:33
DaemonFC	Well, they're going to be hiring private Medicare and Medicaid auditors finally	Mar 10 06:33
Ender2070	bam, i support you +1	Mar 10 06:33
DaemonFC	pay them a percent of whatever fraud they uncover	Mar 10 06:33
Ender2070	self-sustainability :)	Mar 10 06:33
DaemonFC	Ender2070, I plan to convert my yard into a marijuana farm	Mar 10 06:34
Ender2070	ROFLMAO	Mar 10 06:34
DaemonFC	trade it for some tomatoes and cows milk and shit	Mar 10 06:34
DaemonFC	:D	Mar 10 06:34
DaemonFC	that can be the new economy	Mar 10 06:34
DaemonFC	And when you ask me how much green I unloaded for that, it'll have a whole new meaning	Mar 10 06:35
GnuWulf	lol	Mar 10 06:35
GnuWulf	stonerZ	Mar 10 06:35
Ender2070	I think technology is reaching a point where we can have all the nice things we're used to without the government	Mar 10 06:36
Ender2070	and without having to pay someone for some basic needs	Mar 10 06:36
DaemonFC	Ender2070, I also say we should fire all of the police, there is only one law now, and that is whoever shoots first is right	Mar 10 06:36
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 10 06:36
Ender2070	without laws and regulations, people would be forced to get their HONOUR back	Mar 10 06:37
Ender2070	code duello	Mar 10 06:37
DaemonFC	exactly	Mar 10 06:37
DaemonFC	there will be less crime that way	Mar 10 06:38
DaemonFC	call it a hunch	Mar 10 06:38
Ender2070	yeah	Mar 10 06:38
GnuWulf	less laws = less crime	Mar 10 06:38
GnuWulf	yay	Mar 10 06:38
Ender2070	yes	Mar 10 06:38
Ender2070	crime wouldn't exist if theres no laws	Mar 10 06:38
Ender2070	logically	Mar 10 06:38
Ender2070	since nothing would be illegal	Mar 10 06:38
DaemonFC	GnuWulf, Well yeah, I mainly meant if people think they're going to be shot to death for doing bad things	Mar 10 06:38
DaemonFC	they probably won't do bad things	Mar 10 06:38
Ender2070	yeah	Mar 10 06:39
DaemonFC	the reason there's so much crime now is because the consequences are too light	Mar 10 06:39
Ender2070	people do bad things now because if they go to jail, they get 3 free meals a day, internet access, and a college education	Mar 10 06:39
Ender2070	theres no downside	Mar 10 06:40
DaemonFC	if you rolled out the guillotine and made pretty damned sure that any murderer, rapist, child molester, meth lab operator, etc. KNEW they would get it	Mar 10 06:40
GnuWulf	umm ever been to county lock-up	Mar 10 06:40
DaemonFC	stuff like that would drop to near zero	Mar 10 06:40
cubezzz	they did that in France	Mar 10 06:41
cubezzz	there was still murders, rape, etc	Mar 10 06:41
DaemonFC	Ender2070, Stick them in a dark cell with a cement slab for a bed and feed them gruel	Mar 10 06:41
Ender2070	theres people not afraid of death, true	Mar 10 06:41
DaemonFC	make their restroom be that hole in the floor	Mar 10 06:41
Ender2070	fly them into north korea	Mar 10 06:42
Ender2070	paratroops	Mar 10 06:42
DaemonFC	Ender2070, That's how I'd get costs down and make sure there were fewer volunteers	Mar 10 06:42
Ender2070	LOL heres an idea	Mar 10 06:42
GnuWulf	DaemonFC: north korea is no mans land	Mar 10 06:42
DaemonFC	I'd make prison so nasty that it bordered on cruel and unusual, Ender2070	Mar 10 06:43
DaemonFC	They wouldn't have luxuries	Mar 10 06:43
DaemonFC	not a one	Mar 10 06:43
GnuWulf	DaemonFC: trade them to china to lower what we owe them	Mar 10 06:43
Ender2070	make a guvernment funded lottery based on this premise: People will take bets on which prisoners don't use their parachute, and which ones land and get tortured	Mar 10 06:43
DaemonFC	GnuWulf, Deport them to Mexico	Mar 10 06:43
GnuWulf	DaemonFC: china has slavery	Mar 10 06:44
GnuWulf	>.>	Mar 10 06:44
DaemonFC	kind of	Mar 10 06:44
Ender2070	any country with taxes has slavery	Mar 10 06:44
Ender2070	its just a matter of perception	Mar 10 06:44
DaemonFC	I doubt they want our prisoners	Mar 10 06:44
DaemonFC	Ender2070, The room is logged	Mar 10 06:45
cubezzz	guys, how do you think garbage pickup, roads and schools get built?	Mar 10 06:45
DaemonFC	that's why I don't tell you how much I pay in taxes	Mar 10 06:45
cubezzz	by tax money	Mar 10 06:45
GnuWulf	DaemonFC: i look at it this way "you can have this man and work him to death all we ask is you subtract it from what we owe you"	Mar 10 06:45
Ender2070	why do we need to much garbage waste	Mar 10 06:45
Ender2070	so much	Mar 10 06:45
DaemonFC	GnuWulf, But then they put him to work making shit to sell to us	Mar 10 06:45
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 10 06:45
Ender2070	roads only assist in our slavery	Mar 10 06:46
Ender2070	and schools brainwash us into accepting all of it	Mar 10 06:46
cubezzz	ah, OK :)	Mar 10 06:46
GnuWulf	DaemonFC: tis the cycle of life	Mar 10 06:46
DaemonFC	I pay sales tax	Mar 10 06:46
DaemonFC	that's about it	Mar 10 06:46
Ender2070	there are so many things we're programmed to want	Mar 10 06:46
Ender2070	we werent put on this planet to watch tv	Mar 10 06:47
GnuWulf	there is a state without sxtate taxes guess what there students have a higher education level :P	Mar 10 06:47
cubezzz	Ender2070, I think Alberta has no sales tax?	Mar 10 06:47
Ender2070	false	Mar 10 06:47
Ender2070	it'll have gst	Mar 10 06:47
Ender2070	and	Mar 10 06:47
DaemonFC	GnuWulf, Texas has no income tax	Mar 10 06:47
Ender2070	in july, it will have harmonized tax	Mar 10 06:48
Ender2070	8% higher for us in ontario	Mar 10 06:48
GnuWulf	DaemonFC: think it was a northeren state but most taxens seem smart	Mar 10 06:48
cubezzz	Ender2070, with no garbage pickup you better be composting at least :)	Mar 10 06:48
Ender2070	society could generate less garbage	Mar 10 06:48
cubezzz	true	Mar 10 06:49
Ender2070	how much bullshit do we buy	Mar 10 06:49
cubezzz	again, look at the Amish	Mar 10 06:49
GnuWulf	state income tax in alabama sucks	Mar 10 06:49
cubezzz	if you want to go down that road	Mar 10 06:49
GnuWulf	no matter what you owe the state	Mar 10 06:49
Ender2070	i think we can do something similar, _with_ technology	Mar 10 06:49
cubezzz	in England it used to be really bad for the under-class	Mar 10 06:50
GnuWulf	Ender2070: recycle, switch to epaper, order stuff you need online, and dont go to walmart	Mar 10 06:50
cubezzz	you got caught hunting on some rich dudes land, you got put in jail	Mar 10 06:50
Ender2070	imagine if everyone had their own personal breeder reactor	Mar 10 06:50
DaemonFC	We should abolish state governments anyway	Mar 10 06:50
Ender2070	pretty soon people will be allowed to have their own wimax transmitters too	Mar 10 06:51
cubezzz	we should really get rid of phone books and newspapers at least	Mar 10 06:51
Ender2070	why would we need to keep funding dsl infustructure if a new network emerged over wireless with no centralized control due to everyone having wimax transmitters/receivers	Mar 10 06:51
cubezzz	I can see a problem though	Mar 10 06:52
Ender2070	sure there are	Mar 10 06:52
Ender2070	i just thought of it a minute ago	Mar 10 06:52
cubezzz	with inter-continental net usage	Mar 10 06:52
Ender2070	lol	Mar 10 06:52
cubezzz	dsl could be cheaper though	Mar 10 06:52
Ender2070	why disturb the environment?	Mar 10 06:53
Ender2070	laying down cables	Mar 10 06:53
cubezzz	well cables give you a better signal	Mar 10 06:53
cubezzz	less interference	Mar 10 06:53
Ender2070	that is perfectly true	Mar 10 06:53
Ender2070	if everyone was on wireless though it would improve quite fast	Mar 10 06:53
cubezzz	there's a ton of EM flying around these days	Mar 10 06:53
Ender2070	not to mention the dangers of EM radiation too	Mar 10 06:54
cubezzz	UHF, VHF, microwaves	Mar 10 06:54
Ender2070	but i think technology will remove the need for government, very soon	Mar 10 06:54
Ender2070	not that we'll get that	Mar 10 06:54
cubezzz	well firemen, police, and all the muncipal stuff...	Mar 10 06:55
Ender2070	i saw this toilet on vacation on pelee island, and it incinerated your shit	Mar 10 06:55
Ender2070	LOL	Mar 10 06:55
cubezzz	some people home school their kids	Mar 10 06:55
*Diablo-D3 locks Ender2070 in said toilet, and turns it on		Mar 10 06:55
GnuWulf	my parents never had time :P	Mar 10 06:55
GnuWulf	i seen a toilet that washes your ass	Mar 10 06:56
Ender2070	thats a buday (spelled wrong I think)	Mar 10 06:56
Ender2070	bidet	Mar 10 06:57
cubezzz	Ass Cleaner (TM)	Mar 10 06:57
cubezzz	from Microsoft :)	Mar 10 06:57
GnuWulf	Ender2070: was a toilet in japan with a small weter jet that cameout of a cyclener the came in and out of the bowl its self	Mar 10 06:57
Diablo-D3	has anyone ever noticed	Mar 10 06:58
Diablo-D3	how similar	Mar 10 06:58
Diablo-D3	our vice president's name is to a bidet?	Mar 10 06:58
GnuWulf	they called it the smart toilet or something	Mar 10 06:58
Ender2070	its pronounced "boo day"	Mar 10 06:58
GnuWulf	cubezzz: Ass Cleaner (TM) by M$ would make your ass dirty	Mar 10 06:58
cubezzz	lol	Mar 10 06:58
Diablo-D3	Ender2070: yes but	Mar 10 06:58
Diablo-D3	one little letter slip	Mar 10 06:59
Diablo-D3	and its the end of some journalist's career	Mar 10 06:59
GnuWulf	cubezzz: have give you random viruses	Mar 10 06:59
DaemonFC	home skeewling werked fer me!	Mar 10 06:59
Diablo-D3	either that, or the start of it	Mar 10 06:59
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 10 06:59
Ender2070	lol	Mar 10 06:59
GnuWulf	tho i would hate to see a ass cleaner error message	Mar 10 07:00
Ender2070	yeah, but you could then literally say "this software is shit"	Mar 10 07:00
cubezzz	I already do that :)	Mar 10 07:00
GnuWulf	Ender2070: before or after the viruses?	Mar 10 07:01
Ender2070	ecoli 2.0 ?	Mar 10 07:01
GnuWulf	harpbies, hiv, so on	Mar 10 07:01
GnuWulf	all can be transmitted by shit	Mar 10 07:01
Ender2070	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidet	Mar 10 07:03
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Bidet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 43.91 KB	Mar 10 07:03
cubezzz	there was that thing on slashdot, poopee or something :)	Mar 10 07:03
cubezzz	turns human waste into fertilizer	Mar 10 07:03
Ender2070	yes	Mar 10 07:03
Ender2070	lol	Mar 10 07:03
Ender2070	you know what these sick fuck scientists are also doing?	Mar 10 07:04
cubezzz	not really :)	Mar 10 07:04
Ender2070	enviro-friendly cremation, with the ability to use grandma to fertilize your crops	Mar 10 07:04
cubezzz	yikes	Mar 10 07:04
Ender2070	lol i might actually have that process put into my will	Mar 10 07:04
Ender2070	make my relatives eat me	Mar 10 07:05
Ender2070	you know all these anti-aging facial creams for women?	Mar 10 07:06
cubezzz	I'm afraid to ask now	Mar 10 07:06
Ender2070	they are made from aborted baby fetuses	Mar 10 07:06
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GnuWulf	wee	Mar 10 07:11
GnuWulf	stem-cells	Mar 10 07:12
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GnuWulf	yay	Mar 10 07:14
GnuWulf	night	Mar 10 07:14
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Ender2070	I noticed a lot of new people today	Mar 10 07:16
Diablo-D3	yeah	Mar 10 07:17
Diablo-D3	its a microsoft thing	Mar 10 07:17
Diablo-D3	gnuwulf is probably a microsoft shill	Mar 10 07:18
Ender2070	someone said they knew him	Mar 10 07:23
Ender2070	sebsebseb I think	Mar 10 07:23
sebsebseb	Ender2070: no I invited him here from another network	Mar 10 07:23
sebsebseb	Ender2070: he seemed ok on there	Mar 10 07:23
Ender2070	where	Mar 10 07:23
sebsebseb	a small IRC network	Mar 10 07:24
Ender2070	which one	Mar 10 07:24
sebsebseb	nevermind	Mar 10 07:24
Ender2070	irc.microsoft.com ?	Mar 10 07:24
sebsebseb	no	Mar 10 07:24
Ender2070	:P	Mar 10 07:24
DaemonFC	Microsoft used to use IRC	Mar 10 07:24
sebsebseb	Ender2070: I been up all night again	Mar 10 07:24
sebsebseb	Ender2070: however	Mar 10 07:24
sebsebseb	Ender2070: well I am talking to an American woman about going Mandriva :)	Mar 10 07:25
sebsebseb	she had virus on her sons computer	Mar 10 07:25
Ender2070	how will he run his warez then?	Mar 10 07:25
Ender2070	lol	Mar 10 07:26
Ender2070	I suspect someone new here works for NASA	Mar 10 07:26
DaemonFC	ME!!!	Mar 10 07:27
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 10 07:27
Ender2070	whoever mentioned the .net app with ie box and google maps	Mar 10 07:27
Ender2070	its just a hunch though	Mar 10 07:29
schestowitz	re Mac Asay "@schestowitz In his time at C\|Net, he's been used to saying provocative things to drive traffic. Can't continue it in his new job." http://identi.ca/notice/24248232 "@schestowitz UBUNTU 10: /Microsoft for Human Beings/" http://identi.ca/notice/24254013	Mar 10 07:30
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Ender2070	lol	Mar 10 07:34
schestowitz	http://identi.ca/notice/24230012 "	Mar 10 07:36
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schestowitz	openuniverse	Mar 10 07:36
schestowitz	@schestowitz it'd be more secure if it didn't connect to google. (or china.) and the browser will be non-free, right? #fauxpensource	Mar 10 07:36
schestowitz	"	Mar 10 07:36
DaemonFC	"Do you know how they say 'fuck you' in this business? 'TRUST ME!!!!"'"	Mar 10 07:41
DaemonFC	lol	Mar 10 07:41
Diablo-D3	lol	Mar 10 07:41
DaemonFC	I swear it's one damned thing or another this week	Mar 10 07:42
DaemonFC	slept like 20 hours wake up with sore back, now I have a headache	Mar 10 07:43
*DaemonFC goes and finds the alka seltzer, again		Mar 10 07:43
DaemonFC	Diablo-D3, I think those may be mankind's greatest invention (over the counter)	Mar 10 07:44
Diablo-D3	lol	Mar 10 07:46
Diablo-D3	mp	Mar 10 07:46
Diablo-D3	no	Mar 10 07:46
Diablo-D3	hot women giving head is mankind's greatest invention	Mar 10 07:46
DaemonFC	I'll just take your word	Mar 10 07:47
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 10 07:47
Ender2070	in your case it's hot men?	Mar 10 07:47
DaemonFC	sure, why not?	Mar 10 07:47
Diablo-D3	in DaemonFC's defense, a mouth is a mouth.	Mar 10 07:47
Diablo-D3	then again, I heard gay guys arent nearly as good at it as women	Mar 10 07:48
sebsebseb	Ender2070: not everyone that get's viruses do warez by the way	Mar 10 07:48
sebsebseb	Ender2070: or bad websites	Mar 10 07:48
DaemonFC	sebsebseb, Some of them visit porn sites in IE	Mar 10 07:48
Ender2070	usally	Mar 10 07:48
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 10 07:48
Diablo-D3	actually	Mar 10 07:48
Ender2070	i was about to ad that	Mar 10 07:48
Ender2070	add	Mar 10 07:49
Ender2070	man im tierd	Mar 10 07:49
Ender2070	tired	Mar 10 07:49
Diablo-D3	a lot of stealth sites do viruses via msie	Mar 10 07:49
Ender2070	lol	Mar 10 07:49
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: probably not her son, just yet	Mar 10 07:49
Diablo-D3	they look legit and have high google rankings	Mar 10 07:49
Diablo-D3	and then theres the problem with flash ads fucking your shit up	Mar 10 07:49
Diablo-D3	or bad pdfs	Mar 10 07:49
DaemonFC	sebsebseb, If he's over 14, it's 50/50 porn and warez	Mar 10 07:49
Ender2070	sebsebseb - if hes older than 10 its plausable	Mar 10 07:49
Diablo-D3	oh	Mar 10 07:50
Diablo-D3	and then theres remote exploits	Mar 10 07:50
Diablo-D3	windows used to have quite a few	Mar 10 07:50
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: remote explotis remind me what that is? I guess I knew or did I hrm	Mar 10 07:50
Diablo-D3	if you wernt behind a NAT or a hardware firewall, people could just fuck your shit up remotely	Mar 10 07:50
Diablo-D3	sebsebseb: see above	Mar 10 07:51
Ender2070	sebsebseb - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7361181/Extra-small-condoms-for-12-year-old-boys-go-on-sale-in-Switzerland.html	Mar 10 07:51
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Diablo-D3	Ender2070: you know what we call those in the US? finger cots.	Mar 10 07:51
Ender2070	lol	Mar 10 07:51
DaemonFC	Ender2070, They do know that Michael Jackson is dead	Mar 10 07:51
DaemonFC	right?	Mar 10 07:51
Diablo-D3	yeah, but the Pope isnt	Mar 10 07:52
Ender2070	if 12-14 year olds are doing it, how many are wanking it to internet porn	Mar 10 07:52
Diablo-D3	dohohohohohoho	Mar 10 07:52
DaemonFC	Diablo-D3, burn	Mar 10 07:52
DaemonFC	lol	Mar 10 07:52
DaemonFC	Diablo-D3, Robin Williams talking about Henry VIII	Mar 10 07:53
DaemonFC	"I'm the fuckin' Pope now, HAR HAR HAR!!!!!"	Mar 10 07:53
Diablo-D3	robin williams talking about anything	Mar 10 07:53
Diablo-D3	"IM HIGH ON CRACK"	Mar 10 07:53
Ender2070	DaemonFC - remember I was mentioning our refugees/asylum system?	Mar 10 07:55
Ender2070	http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/as-countries-shut-out-migrants-canada-warned-it-will-become-the-new-safe-harbour/article1402019/	Mar 10 07:55
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DaemonFC	Ender2070, Shotguns	Mar 10 07:55
Diablo-D3	shoguns?	Mar 10 07:55
Diablo-D3	sweeeeet	Mar 10 07:56
DaemonFC	You form a group to patrol the border	Mar 10 07:56
*Diablo-D3 gets his sword		Mar 10 07:56
DaemonFC	give them shotguns	Mar 10 07:56
*Diablo-D3 and his axe.		Mar 10 07:56
DaemonFC	Naw, they're flying the Haitians in so that won't work	Mar 10 07:56
Ender2070	""This is something we have to take very seriously ... We can't allow the creation of a two-tier immigration system: one tier for people who wait patiently and legally in the queue to come to Canada and another for profiteers, for those who engage the services of snakeheads and human trafficking groups." "	Mar 10 07:57
DaemonFC	it might stop the American refugees after the big corporations finish bleeding us dry and there's no standard of living here anymore for anyone but them	Mar 10 07:57
DaemonFC	but you're getting there too	Mar 10 07:57
DaemonFC	so maybe we can all just meld into one big Mexico after all	Mar 10 07:57
Diablo-D3	heh	Mar 10 07:58
Ender2070	we're not as badly in debt as you guys are	Mar 10 07:58
DaemonFC	and that can be your NAU	Mar 10 07:58
Ender2070	its too soon for that	Mar 10 07:58
Ender2070	they need a generation of people here that are used to the concept of the EU first	Mar 10 07:59
DaemonFC	Welcome to the North American Union, One big happy Mexico.	Mar 10 07:59
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 10 07:59
Ender2070	http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/magazine/07Human-t.html	Mar 10 08:02
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DaemonFC	Ender2070, I thought they would burn that woman's house down	Mar 10 08:11
DaemonFC	I would have	Mar 10 08:11
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DaemonFC	heh Dirty Harry: "You forgot your fortune cookie...it says you're shit out of luck!" bang	Mar 10 08:14
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 10 08:14
Ender2070	yes!	Mar 10 08:15
Ender2070	or	Mar 10 08:15
Ender2070	"How about I make my own dead pool and put your name on it"	Mar 10 08:15
DaemonFC	Ender2070, Clint Eastwood fan?	Mar 10 08:21
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 10 08:21
Ender2070	yeah	Mar 10 08:22
DaemonFC	Remember the C&C game where you get Flint Westwood as a playable unit?	Mar 10 08:22
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 10 08:22
Ender2070	Red Alert 2 Yuri's Revenege	Mar 10 08:23
Ender2070	same with Sammy Stallion and Arnie Frankfurter	Mar 10 08:23
DaemonFC	http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Flint_Westwood	Mar 10 08:24
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DaemonFC	I liked Generals	Mar 10 08:27
DaemonFC	I know it got mixed reviews though	Mar 10 08:27
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DaemonFC	runs well in Wine	Mar 10 08:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: Lawyer Takeover, Failed Reform, and Policy Laundering With #ACTA http://ur1.ca/p0q6		Mar 10 08:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Software patent troll nominated by the EPO for lifetime achievement, saving trees has probably a technical effect: http://i5.be/aAs		Mar 10 08:41
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Ender2070	generals was okay	Mar 10 08:44
Ender2070	http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Arnie_Frankenfurter	Mar 10 08:46
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DaemonFC	http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8557144.stm	Mar 10 08:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Dad is awake and vaguely coherent! Likely to fly out to Perth Sunday evening or Monday morning.		Mar 10 09:07
DaemonFC	http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/sys/1632715554.html	Mar 10 09:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Ballmer on OpenOffice: "We’re happy to get you under license" or "We’ll go away if you pay us a royalty for every download" http://i5.be/aAt		Mar 10 09:19
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tessier__	DaemonFC: That your imac?	Mar 10 09:19
DaemonFC	no	Mar 10 09:19
DaemonFC	the hoarder in me says take it	Mar 10 09:19
Ender2070	lol	Mar 10 09:27
Ender2070	Steve Jobs used to think of IBM as big brother	Mar 10 09:27
Ender2070	he was obsessed	Mar 10 09:27
Ender2070	its a shame he became just like them	Mar 10 09:27
Ender2070	(big brother)	Mar 10 09:28
Ender2070	while IBM has changed for the better	Mar 10 09:28
DaemonFC	hmmm, high of 62 today	Mar 10 09:30
DaemonFC	nice	Mar 10 09:30
DaemonFC	might open the windows, get a little air circulating in here	Mar 10 09:30
jweyrich	anyone got gcc-4.4.2 working on osx10.6.2?	Mar 10 09:31
Ender2070	probably the wrong place to ask	Mar 10 09:33
jweyrich	s/probably/very likely/ .. but was just wondering.	Mar 10 09:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft and Insecurity: Vulnerabilities, Botnets, and a Whole Lot of Nerve http://bit.ly/bk5hJa		Mar 10 09:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] DeGucht won't give the ACTA drafts to the Parliament (part 1 of 2) http://i5.be/aAv		Mar 10 09:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] DeGucht won't give the ACTA drafts to the European Parliament (part 2 of 2) http://i5.be/aAw		Mar 10 09:45
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oiaohm	http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/mozilla-borrows-from-webkit-to-build-fast-new-js-engine.ars Interesting	Mar 10 09:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] machine digs big hole http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMgDu73Fyio		Mar 10 09:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates and Steve Jobs Extortionists with Software Patents http://ur1.ca/p16z personal role in racketeering is revealed		Mar 10 10:14
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Ender2070	LOL	Mar 10 10:14
schestowitz	http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/43509#comment-13108 "I think it's a positive thing. Anyway, Steam/Valve may be coming to Linux soon."	Mar 10 10:15
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DaemonFC	ROFL @ JägerMonkey	Mar 10 10:16
schestowitz	"But he's a good person, he has loads of money........!!"	Mar 10 10:16
DaemonFC	Hunter monkey?	Mar 10 10:16
DaemonFC	as in a predatory monkey?	Mar 10 10:17
DaemonFC	schestowitz, I'm glad they're doing this	Mar 10 10:18
DaemonFC	enough re-inventing the wheel goes on in FOSS as-is	Mar 10 10:18
DaemonFC	too proud to reuse existing code that already works fine, so they spend months or years doing a complete rewrite for themselves or something	Mar 10 10:19
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Microsoft would really be in trouble if instead of coming up with 10 different desktop environments, EVERYONE worked on KDE, and this kind of thing was the norm	Mar 10 10:20
DaemonFC	it kind of limits the desktop when efforts are duplicated like this	Mar 10 10:21
oiaohm	DaemonFC: sometimes the duplication of effort has been good.	Mar 10 10:22
oiaohm	Lot of ideas that in theory looked to work fine when built turned out to be stupid.	Mar 10 10:22
DaemonFC	KDE could have been years ahead and there would be no Mono if the FSF hadn't started GNOME	Mar 10 10:22
oiaohm	Like the wm that allways full sized the main window.	Mar 10 10:23
oiaohm	And had no windows as such.	Mar 10 10:23
DaemonFC	now GNOME wants to revolt, overthrow the FSF, and go reimplement Microsoft stuff in their desktop	Mar 10 10:23
oiaohm	Really turned out to harm usage.	Mar 10 10:23
DaemonFC	oiaohm, You're telling me that this coup is turning out for the better?	Mar 10 10:24
oiaohm	There is a split in the Gnome ranks themselves.	Mar 10 10:24
oiaohm	Results of the Gnome implementing Mono stuff has caused some of the back end developers of gnome to work hand and hand with the KDE ones.	Mar 10 10:24
oiaohm	So not all bad has come from it DaemonFC	Mar 10 10:25
DaemonFC	What material assistance is the FSF giving GNOME?	Mar 10 10:25
DaemonFC	What does GNOME lose if they leave?	Mar 10 10:25
oiaohm	Remember most of the back end in C	Mar 10 10:26
oiaohm	You lose those developers you lose the maintaince on those backends.	Mar 10 10:27
oiaohm	What basically means the complete deck of cards of Gnome could come down.	Mar 10 10:27
DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/03/just-what-you-see-the-story-behind-the-45-long-slide-laser-siting.ars	Mar 10 10:27
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Ender2070	oiaohm - and a disturbing fact, some mono developers think C is too hard	Mar 10 10:28
Ender2070	garbage collection, oh noes	Mar 10 10:29
oiaohm	Yep Ender2070 got it in one.	Mar 10 10:29
oiaohm	If all you have is .net developers Gnome is dead man walking.	Mar 10 10:29
Ender2070	unless they replace those parts with c# ones	Mar 10 10:29
Ender2070	but then you got Gnome7	Mar 10 10:30
schestowitz	"This article is from MICROSOFT ... For those who don't know who the author is...." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/43735#comment-13109	Mar 10 10:30
oiaohm	At some point you still have to interface with the OS.	Mar 10 10:30
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Ender2070	bloated, using 1.28gb of ram, etc	Mar 10 10:30
schestowitz	Heh.	Mar 10 10:30
oiaohm	The OS is C so you are kinda screwed. Ender2070	Mar 10 10:30
oiaohm	Ie OS does not respect mono garbage collection.	Mar 10 10:31
Ender2070	do they need the OS if they use abstraction layers	Mar 10 10:31
oiaohm	Basically if they think C is too hard working on Linux making a desktop is too hard so get lost.	Mar 10 10:31
oiaohm	Someone still has to make the abstraction layers	Mar 10 10:32
oiaohm	So someone still has to understand C	Mar 10 10:32
oiaohm	If the OS core is C	Mar 10 10:32
Ender2070	some of the mono developers code on windows	Mar 10 10:32
Diablo-D3	C is hard?!	Mar 10 10:32
Diablo-D3	since when?>!	Mar 10 10:32
oiaohm	C++ coders might hate C but they can use it if they have to.	Mar 10 10:32
Diablo-D3	C++ coders are utter faggots	Mar 10 10:33
Diablo-D3	and get gtfo my os	Mar 10 10:33
*Ender2070 hits Diablo-D3 with a C++/Qt framework book		Mar 10 10:33
oiaohm	.net coders are trained that garbage collection will solve everything.	Mar 10 10:33
oiaohm	So they end up with object leaks eating the hell out of ram.	Mar 10 10:34
Diablo-D3	Ender2070: qt is shit	Mar 10 10:34
Diablo-D3	oiaohm: well	Mar 10 10:34
Diablo-D3	it does sole everything	Mar 10 10:34
oiaohm	C++ coders do still know how to use C primitives like malloc and free when it suitable.	Mar 10 10:34
Diablo-D3	problem is you have to use a well designed language	Mar 10 10:34
Diablo-D3	c#/.net was cargo culted from java	Mar 10 10:35
Diablo-D3	so theres a lot of weird cruft in c#/.net that doesnt make any sense	Mar 10 10:35
Diablo-D3	and causes memory leaks because no one understands it	Mar 10 10:35
Diablo-D3	and instead of just writing it with sane code	Mar 10 10:35
Diablo-D3	microsoft goes bankrupt istead	Mar 10 10:35
Diablo-D3	which In totally fine with	Mar 10 10:35
oiaohm	Problem of too thick of wrappers as well. Diablo-D3	Mar 10 10:35
Diablo-D3	oiaohm: except you shouldnt wrap things	Mar 10 10:36
Diablo-D3	thats a .net thing, to wrap shit	Mar 10 10:36
oiaohm	Ie .net coders don't normally see what the interface layers to the Os are really doing.	Mar 10 10:36
Diablo-D3	java coders tend to have pure java impls for things that arent system	Mar 10 10:36
Diablo-D3	thats the big difference between c# and java	Mar 10 10:36
Diablo-D3	c# coders steal, java coders do it themselves right the first time.	Mar 10 10:36
oiaohm	After java coders got many years under there belt and learn from there mistakes. Diablo-D3	Mar 10 10:37
Diablo-D3	oiaohm: except that argument is useless	Mar 10 10:37
Diablo-D3	c# coders cant have years under their belt because c# is new!	Mar 10 10:37
oiaohm	Early java coders made equal mistakes as .net ones do now. Diablo-D3	Mar 10 10:37
Diablo-D3	it still has the new car smell!	Mar 10 10:37
Diablo-D3	oiaohm: not really no	Mar 10 10:37
Diablo-D3	due to the fact that doesnt exist anymore	Mar 10 10:37
Diablo-D3	java has everything you could possibly want already made	Mar 10 10:37
Diablo-D3	everything.	Mar 10 10:37
oiaohm	jini interface creating platform links Diablo-D3	Mar 10 10:38
oiaohm	It still exists.	Mar 10 10:38
Diablo-D3	oiaohm: I notice you didnt hear a word I said.	Mar 10 10:38
oiaohm	But Java coders have learnt to use it wiser.	Mar 10 10:38
Diablo-D3	Everything you could possibly want to do has already been done in Java.	Mar 10 10:38
Ender2070	theres a patent on trolling	Mar 10 10:38
Ender2070	http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220080270152%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20080270152&RS=DN/20080270152	Mar 10 10:38
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Ender2070	oops	Mar 10 10:38
Ender2070	http://ow.ly/1ghNr	Mar 10 10:38
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oiaohm	Not everything.	Mar 10 10:38
Diablo-D3	Everything	Mar 10 10:38
Diablo-D3	all you have to do now is just glue the right jars together	Mar 10 10:39
oiaohm	Almost everything. Diablo-D3	Mar 10 10:43
oiaohm	nvidia cuda Diablo-D3	Mar 10 10:43
oiaohm	Yes there are still a few minor conner area not covered. Diablo-D3 Yes I know they are small.	Mar 10 10:43
oiaohm	cuda is still a third party wrapper for java	Mar 10 10:43
Diablo-D3	oiaohm: well no	Mar 10 10:46
Diablo-D3	opengl and opencl are considered OS libraries	Mar 10 10:46
Diablo-D3	thus thats a legitimate thing to wrap	Mar 10 10:46
oiaohm	Just think want you just typed. There are limitations to what will and will not be wrapped. So there are gaps. That is why its almost everything not everything.	Mar 10 10:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I'm testing Ubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 latest nightly build. Nuveau driver makes screen look "distorted". But still impressed.		Mar 10 10:53
DaemonFC	http://www.cultofmac.com/ubuntu-smartens-up-takes-some-cues-from-mac-os-x/32532	Mar 10 10:54
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DaemonFC	Cult of Mac is now praising Ubuntu	Mar 10 10:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] On Kubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 I could change the settings using KDE settings, in the Gnome version I can' t.		Mar 10 10:57
DaemonFC	https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/377895/46dc4fe20087d9f6/	Mar 10 10:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Videos: Peter Landrock on His #SoftwarePatent and DeGucht Defending #ACTA http://ur1.ca/p1di #eu		Mar 10 10:59
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schestowitz	zoobab_: thanks	Mar 10 10:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @ml2mst On Kubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 I could change the settings using KDE settings, in the Gnome version I can' t.		Mar 10 11:01
DaemonFC	what was that about?	Mar 10 11:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Parliament publishing information in patented and proprietary formats: Microsoft DOC, Apple MP4, Microsoft WMV http://i5.be/aAy		Mar 10 11:03
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DaemonFC	those aren't proprietary, they're "industry standards"!	Mar 10 11:04
DaemonFC	:D	Mar 10 11:04
oiaohm	4k sector sizes are a real headache.	Mar 10 11:09
DaemonFC	oiaohm, I don't know why they thought it was a good idea	Mar 10 11:09
oiaohm	Really it would be nice if 4k drives just would number 1 not be bootable on old hardware like 120 GB PATA was not.	Mar 10 11:09
oiaohm	Number 2 would truly display the OS 4 k sectors.	Mar 10 11:10
DaemonFC	no reason to do this	Mar 10 11:10
oiaohm	Instead of mapping 512 over the top and causing the complete bloody mess of miss alignment.	Mar 10 11:10
DaemonFC	everyone will be using SSDs in 5 years or so	Mar 10 11:10
oiaohm	There are reasons.	Mar 10 11:10
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: no	Mar 10 11:11
Diablo-D3	the transition will happen in 5 years	Mar 10 11:11
Diablo-D3	everyone will be using ssd in 10.	Mar 10 11:11
DaemonFC	mapping 512 byte sectors over the physical 4k sectors just to benefit a 9 year old version of Windows	Mar 10 11:11
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 10 11:11
oiaohm	4 kb sectors reduce number of sectors OS has to deal with.	Mar 10 11:12
oiaohm	Same with drive.	Mar 10 11:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Anyone else using 3G on #ubuntu #lucid seeing bug 535641? http://bit.ly/a7eHsV If so, pls confirm.		Mar 10 11:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Debate in the European Parliament about ACTA and transparency [1/10] http://i5.be/aAz		Mar 10 11:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ivanka Majic (Canonical Design Team Lead) responds to comments about button placement in #ubuntu #lucid http://bit.ly/dhi50w		Mar 10 11:25
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oiaohm	http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_14641849 Boy SCO is trying every trick.	Mar 10 11:32
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schestowitz	Hmmmmmmmm........ http://www.the-source.com/2010/03/gpl-endrun-value-added-binaries/	Mar 10 11:35
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oiaohm	http://jonathanischwartz.wordpress.com/ Very interesting read from X sun about MS actions. schestowitz	Mar 10 11:36
phIRCe-BNc	Title: What I Couldn't Say& .::. Size~: 83.71 KB	Mar 10 11:36
schestowitz	oiaohm: it's already mentioned in BN	Mar 10 11:37
schestowitz	Siim shills for ACTA	Mar 10 11:38
schestowitz	What a surprise. NOT.	Mar 10 11:38
oiaohm	That hardered binaries idea is dead man walking. schestowitz	Mar 10 11:41
oiaohm	They will have to think of something way better. Since main reason gcc cannot do it now is lack of link time optimisation.	Mar 10 11:41
oiaohm	Complier enhancement idea was behind the sales of pgroup compliers.	Mar 10 11:42
oiaohm	So value added binaries is not even new. But what you can do now and be head of gcc and other open source compliers is dropping.	Mar 10 11:43
schestowitz	http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/03/09/197226/Cisco-Introduces-a-322-Tbitsec-Router	Mar 10 11:50
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schestowitz	" (Or you could pump nearly one Library of Congress per second through the device, or give everyone in San Fransisco a 1Gbps internet connection.)"	Mar 10 11:50
schestowitz	http://reprog.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/where-dijkstra-went-wrong-the-value-of-basic-as-a-first-programming-language/	Mar 10 11:51
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Where Dijkstra went wrong: the value of BASIC as a first programming language « The Reinvigorated Programmer .::. Size~: 55.29 KB	Mar 10 11:51
schestowitz	Thankfully no pretence about Microsoft having something to do with it	Mar 10 11:52
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] European Parliament unites against 3 strikes, ACTA secrecy http://bit.ly/cdRcES		Mar 10 11:52
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schestowitz	Slashdot is still abused http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1576944&cid=31422582	Mar 10 11:54
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Slashdot Comments \| Jeff Jaffe Named CEO of W3C .::. Size~: 38.27 KB	Mar 10 11:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] In January, Apple launched a series of C-Level discussions with handset makers to underscore its patents infringed: http://i5.be/aAK		Mar 10 11:59
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Apple talks tough to handset makers - Apple 2.0 - Fortune Brainstorm Tech .::. Size~: 98.49 KB	Mar 10 11:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Parliament's ACTA resolution adopted, 663 MEPs against 13: http://i5.be/aAL		Mar 10 12:03
phIRCe-BNc	Title: European Parliament strongly opposes ACTA's democratic deficit \| La Quadrature du Net .::. Size~: 25.95 KB	Mar 10 12:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] SWIFT now, ACTA next: http://i5.be/aAM		Mar 10 12:05
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schestowitz	http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1576944&cid=31423618	Mar 10 12:08
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schestowitz	Nice, Jeremy Allison defends us	Mar 10 12:17
schestowitz	http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1576944&cid=31422956	Mar 10 12:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Jeremy, but what's your stance on Google's software patents? http://i5.be/aAN		Mar 10 12:21
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schestowitz	zoobab_: I saw that too	Mar 10 12:22
schestowitz	Attack the messenger	Mar 10 12:22
schestowitz	Because of his employer	Mar 10 12:22
schestowitz	There are two comments like this	Mar 10 12:22
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/18/software-patents-policy-google/	Mar 10 12:22
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schestowitz	http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/11662.html	Mar 10 12:23
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MinceR	geekings	Mar 10 12:24
schestowitz	http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Google-Summer-of-Code-2010-in-Starting-Blocks	Mar 10 12:24
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Google Summer of Code 2010 in Starting Blocks - Linux Magazine Online .::. Size~: 30.57 KB	Mar 10 12:24
schestowitz	http://www.tech-no-media.com/2010/03/why-online-ressources-are-not-free-and.html	Mar 10 12:25
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schestowitz	zoobab_: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1595446/blu-ray-licensing-cartel-starts-operation	Mar 10 12:25
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schestowitz	"Interested parties are also free to negotiate separate license agreements, rather than taking a single portfolio license, with each of the four companies, which have committed to provide such licenses for their respective essential patents under fair, reasonable and nondiscriminatory terms and conditions., the outfit said."	Mar 10 12:26
schestowitz	http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100305/0137448428.shtml	Mar 10 12:27
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schestowitz	This is nice: http://blog.ninapaley.com/2009/12/28/the-cult-of-originality/	Mar 10 12:27
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oiaohm	http://etbe.coker.com.au/2010/03/08/designing-secure-linux/ Boy do people miss the basices or what. If CPU is not secure does not matter what you put above it.	Mar 10 12:30
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schestowitz	"	Mar 10 12:33
schestowitz	Schneier on Security	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	A blog covering security and security technology.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	« Google in The Onion \| Main \| Marc Rotenberg on Google's Italian Privacy Case »	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	March 9, 2010	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	Guide to Microsoft Police Forensic Services	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	The "Microsoft Online Services Global Criminal Compliance Handbook (U.S. Domestic Version)" (also can be found here, here, and here) outlines exactly what Microsoft will do upon police request. Here's a good summary of what's in it:	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	The Global Criminal Compliance Handbook is a quasi-comprehensive explanatory document meant for law enforcement officials seeking access to Microsoft's stored user information. It also provides sample language for subpoenas and diagrams on how to understand server logs.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	I call it "quasi-comprehensive" because, at a mere 22 pages, it doesn't explore the nitty-gritty of Microsoft's systems; it's more like a data-hunting guide for dummies.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	When it was first leaked, Microsoft tried to scrub it from the Internet. But they quickly realized that it was futile and relented.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	Lots more information.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	Posted on March 9, 2010 at 6:59 AM • 9 Comments	Mar 10 12:34
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schestowitz	Comments	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	I'd like to see such a document from each ISP or online service provider. Essentially for transparency sake.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	Posted by: Markus at March 9, 2010 7:56 AM	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	Is it me (and it might be ;) but the document reads like a "how to find your suspect guilty" document.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	That is it is unbalanced in a way that would be unacceptable in an "expert witness" in court.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	When I first read it I was not surprised MS wanted to surpress it...	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	Posted by: Clive Robinson at March 9, 2010 8:12 AM	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	ah yes, "Expert witness" who is that exactly again?	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	I've been involved in a few legal discoveries mostly business contract related, but one fbi related.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	There is no standard, no process, no clear line of responsibility.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	I was personally involved in a MS HR adventure that led to my own release(really a long ago and silly story) from MS. The end all of it is the electronic information is gathered to match whatever the gatherer is looking for and very little to no information is needed to take action.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	Posted by: Adam at March 9, 2010 9:22 AM	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	@ Adam,	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	An "expert witness" is in theory (in the UK) one who is alowed to give "opinion" which is technicaly hearsay and would not normally be alowed in a criminal case (civil/tort law is unto it's self these days).	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	In return they are supposed to "represent the court" (not either side) and bring impartial clarity to the court.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	However "he who pays the piper" etc., etc.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	I gather in the US the current little legal earner is electronic discovery, which whilst enriching the legal fraternity (especialy the judges) usually achives little of consiquence relating to the actual case. But can bankrupt one side or the other hence it's used as a "Goliath attack".	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	Posted by: Clive Robinson at March 9, 2010 10:07 AM	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	@Adam "There is no standard, no process, no clear line of responsibility"	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	Well sure. We're still making it up as we go along and each company starts over again when it first comes up. Add to that that the law is inherently messy, uses natural language, and defines variables like "reasonable person" as a standard.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	@Clive "technicaly hearsay"	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	Oh. I thought at first you said 'technical hearsay'. Kinda like the sound of that.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	While MS has relented and cryptome.org was restored by thier ISP from MS takedown order. Paypal has frozen thier account with what ever money they have on the pipe.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	Posted by: BF Skinner at March 9, 2010 10:47 AM	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	Really, is anyone surprised by the data that they can gather? Heck, the users give the data to them, and all of it is data that would be gathered by any provider of similar services. I'm sure Google keeps the same sort of data, and Apple, and Sony (with regards to consoles) and etc.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	If a law enforcement agency has the appropriate subpoena or warrant, then MS has a choice to either "provide a way for law enforcement to collect it, in such a way that protects every other user of the service from undue scrutiny or "let law enforcement walk in, take the servers, and screw everyone"	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	And if you think that law enforcement agents won't do the latter if you refuse to give them the former, then I've got a bridge to sell you. Great view of Brooklyn.	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	Posted by: wiredog at March 9, 2010 11:12 AM	Mar 10 12:34
schestowitz	@wiredog	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	Informed consent should mean more than "we put a link on our webpage and if people don't read or understand what they read that's not our problem. We've met our due diligiance obligation."	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	And of course there are the times when companies withhold info (anyone drive a prius?) that is necessary for making an informed decision.	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	Posted by: BF Skinner at March 9, 2010 1:21 PM	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	@BF Skinner 100% agree	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	I afraid the real problem is everyday people not understanding technology.	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	The average person would protest in the streets the widespread searching of houses, but the widespread searching of private emailboxes doesn't even raise their blood pressure.	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	I bet with the security focus of this website all the comments are being recorded by someone/agency if not 10.	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	Posted by: Adam at March 9, 2010 1:25 PM	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	I think I at first mis-read that the title as	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	being a a book to show Global Criminals	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	how they might comply with,	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	or at the very least evade,	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	the long arm of John Law.	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	But Microsoft would never do that, would they?	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	Tut-tut, of course not.	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	Posted by: AA Aaronson at March 9, 2010 9:14 PM	Mar 10 12:35
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schestowitz	Powered by Movable Type. Photo at top by Steve Woit.	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	Schneier.com is a personal website. Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of BT.	Mar 10 12:35
schestowitz	BIG OOPS. It highlighted the WHOLE page. Sorry about that!!	Mar 10 12:35
Diablo-D3	argh!	Mar 10 12:38
Diablo-D3	roy!	Mar 10 12:38
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: next time leave the channel	Mar 10 12:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How HTML5 differs from HTML4 : http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/		Mar 10 12:39
phIRCe-BNc	Title: HTML5 differences from HTML4 .::. Size~: 72.07 KB	Mar 10 12:39
MinceR	or if you're using irssi, use /server purge	Mar 10 12:39
schestowitz	I thought about it	Mar 10 12:45
schestowitz	I reckoned it posts all the stuff before it appears	Mar 10 12:45
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: no	Mar 10 12:46
Diablo-D3	it takes awhile	Mar 10 12:46
Diablo-D3	that took several minutes	Mar 10 12:46
schestowitz	Did you guys read http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/facebooks-beginnings-likely-shaped-its-privacy-policies/?cs=39859	Mar 10 12:46
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Facebook's Beginnings Likely Shaped Its Privacy Policies \| Blogs \| ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 75.76 KB	Mar 10 12:46
schestowitz	"In Nicholas Carlson's piece, he tells the "full story" of Facebook's beginning. He starts with the initial conversations Harvard sophomore Zuckerberg had with the trio of seniors who wanted him to code for a new Web site they wanted to start, called HarvardConnection. Then, complete with instant messages and e-mails that have not been made public until now, he outlines how Zuckerberg appears to have decided to create his own site --	Mar 10 12:46
schestowitz	thefacebook.com -- but not to tell the HarvardConnection founders he wasn't working on their project until his was almost finished."	Mar 10 12:46
schestowitz	He sounds like quite a snake	Mar 10 12:46
schestowitz	Maybe there is some similarity to BillG after all	Mar 10 12:46
schestowitz	Starting their career by taking other people's work	Mar 10 12:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft battles an alleged patent troll, for automatic VPN http://i5.be/aAO		Mar 10 12:47
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Microsoft battles an alleged patent troll - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 56.8 KB	Mar 10 12:47
schestowitz	Heh. "SOFTWARE BULLY Microsoft threw...."	Mar 10 12:47
schestowitz	http://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/statuses/10244976946	Mar 10 12:49
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Twitter / Joseph Tartakoff: Bingo! Microsoft’s Search ... .::. Size~: 10.12 KB	Mar 10 12:49
schestowitz	They are BUYING market share	Mar 10 12:49
schestowitz	And using regulators	Mar 10 12:49
schestowitz	It says "Bingo", like MinceR	Mar 10 12:49
schestowitz	Bingo is more or less random	Mar 10 12:49
schestowitz	Microsoft just serves its own 'numbers' (warped results)	Mar 10 12:50
schestowitz	Random results (Bingo) would trump Bong	Mar 10 12:50
schestowitz	http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7397846/Kings-Cross-to-Beijing-in-two-days-on-new-high-speed-rail-network.html	Mar 10 12:51
phIRCe-BNc	Title: King's Cross to Beijing in two days on new high-speed rail network - Telegraph .::. Size~: 56.12 KB	Mar 10 12:51
schestowitz	There's McDonalds in China too Sigh	Mar 10 12:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @zoobab DeGucht tries to keep the European Parliament happy on ACTA: http://i5.be/aAi #cronyism #acta #backdoor		Mar 10 12:54
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Answer to a written question - The ACTA negotiations - P-0090/2010 .::. Size~: 12.83 KB	Mar 10 12:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] You just need one country to make ACTA blow, and transform it into a SWIFT2 rejection.		Mar 10 12:56
oiaohm	Hmm there is a big problem with the novell case. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100309181439569 Unix trademark was not offically Novell's at the time to transfer.	Mar 10 13:02
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] should you use ad-blockers or not? http://bit.ly/9Uvg1M		Mar 10 13:02
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schestowitz	zoobab_: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fregeringen.se%2Fsb%2Fa%2F141047&sl=sv&tl=en	Mar 10 13:02
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zoobab_	in any case, we are at the end of the negotiations	Mar 10 13:03
zoobab_	so disclosure does not matter so much	Mar 10 13:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab thus the secrecy?		Mar 10 13:04
schestowitz	zoobab_: NZ is against it also	Mar 10 13:05
schestowitz	They'll probably pull a trick like Econoy Bill	Mar 10 13:05
schestowitz	CHange some stuff	Mar 10 13:05
schestowitz	Then pretend to have done us a favour	Mar 10 13:05
schestowitz	"Look, it's so much better than the original, so now say 'yes'"	Mar 10 13:06
schestowitz	It's the approach of telling someone "I'll kill you", then saying "I'll spare your life, just pay me 50 quid"	Mar 10 13:06
MinceR	i could make it even better than the changed version, all i need is a lighter	Mar 10 13:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @GlynMoody In case we do get a draft of ACTA, the question we need to think about now is: how should we use it to best advantage? #ACTA		Mar 10 13:08
schestowitz	http://mashable.com/2010/03/05/youtube-revenue-2010/	Mar 10 13:13
phIRCe-BNc	Title: YouTube Revenue Approaching $1 Billion Per Year [REPORT] .::. Size~: 80.71 KB	Mar 10 13:13
schestowitz	How do they make money?	Mar 10 13:13
schestowitz	I've watched over 30k videos there, no ads	Mar 10 13:13
schestowitz	http://webworkerdaily.com/2010/03/05/rapportive-gmail-crm/	Mar 10 13:14
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Rapportive Makes Gmail More Useful WebWorkerDaily .::. Size~: 70.59 KB	Mar 10 13:14
schestowitz	Why use gmail at all?	Mar 10 13:14
schestowitz	http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Hardware-attack-on-RSA-implementation-947726.html	Mar 10 13:14
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Hardware attack on RSA implementation - The H Security: News and Features .::. Size~: 35.68 KB	Mar 10 13:14
schestowitz	This one neglects to mention how Microsoft subverted the Web: http://www.w3.org/QA/2010/03/interview_paul_cotton_on_micro.html	Mar 10 13:16
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Interview: Paul Cotton on Microsoft Participation in the W3C HTML Working Group - W3C Blog .::. Size~: 21.8 KB	Mar 10 13:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] 99% of the reason for a company to have patents is so they can amicably trade no-cost licensing with other companies http://i5.be/aAP		Mar 10 13:17
phIRCe-BNc	Title: The Technology Chronicles : Former Sun CEO Schwartz dishes on patent fights with Jobs, Gates .::. Size~: 53.83 KB	Mar 10 13:17
oiaohm	schestowitz: Read carefully http://www.unix.org/backgrounder.html Notice the trademark was transfered from Novell to what has become the open group today in 1994. Yet Novell then sold that item again by what I am reading the the court case to SCO in 1995	Mar 10 13:19
oiaohm	Nice case of fraudulent sale. Ie selling what you don't own any more. schestowitz	Mar 10 13:19
schestowitz	http://www.remail.com/blog/posts/170028	Mar 10 13:26
phIRCe-BNc	Title: reMail Blog - reMail is now Open Source .::. Size~: 5.9 KB	Mar 10 13:26
schestowitz	http://paidcontent.org/article/419-google-buys-docverse-for-reported-25-million/	Mar 10 13:27
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Google Buys DocVerse For Reported $25 Million\| paidContent .::. Size~: 25.8 KB	Mar 10 13:27
schestowitz	http://thenextweb.com/apps/2010/03/07/dogoods-dogooder-plugin-lets-charitable-browsing-web/	Mar 10 13:33
phIRCe-BNc	Title: DoGood Replaces The Webs Evil Ads with Good Ads .::. Size~: 35.48 KB	Mar 10 13:33
schestowitz	oiaohm: I am not sufficiently familiar with it to be worth an opinion	Mar 10 13:34
schestowitz	Groklaw ought to know better, with all its UNIX buffs	Mar 10 13:35
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbGiPjIE1pE	Mar 10 13:36
phIRCe-BNc	Title: YouTube- The Listening Post - The 'hearts and minds' of Operation Moshtarak - Part 2 .::. Size~: 113.88 KB	Mar 10 13:36
oiaohm	The transfer happened after the loss of the Novell vs BSD case. 1994	Mar 10 13:36
oiaohm	For Novell	Mar 10 13:36
oiaohm	I am supprised SCO has not pushed that angle.	Mar 10 13:36
oiaohm	Since its proff of a deceptive contract.	Mar 10 13:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's "browse with confidence" motto is Greenwashing PR (headsup @glynmoody )		Mar 10 13:47
schestowitz	http://www.transparentuptime.com/	Mar 10 13:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Booting an Ubuntu ISO in qemu on a 900Mhz celeron netbook is slooooow. #unsurprising		Mar 10 13:57
schestowitz	http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/10188544339 "one-star reviews for Assassin's Creed II for Windows on Amazon - http://bit.ly/ayTavz you don't think people might find that DRM annoying?"	Mar 10 13:57
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Twitter / Glyn Moody: one-star reviews for Assas ... .::. Size~: 10.35 KB	Mar 10 13:57
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Assassin's Creed II (PC): Amazon.co.uk: PC & Video Games .::. Size~: 398.53 KB	Mar 10 13:57
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Will__	Here's something kinda funny> You know how Dell always "recommends Windows"? It extends to games as well.	Mar 10 14:00
Will__	Try to buy a PS3 game from them, and they recommend an Xbox 360 console as an "Essential Add-On".	Mar 10 14:01
Will__	Hmmm.	Mar 10 14:01
schestowitz	http://www.avaaz.org/en/no_more_bloody_ivory/97.php?cl_tta_sign=24678a28caff79d277db273b2d86fc31	Mar 10 14:05
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Save the Elephants: STOP BLOODY IVORY .::. Size~: 60.37 KB	Mar 10 14:05
schestowitz	Hey, Will__	Mar 10 14:05
schestowitz	Will__: from Dell?	Mar 10 14:05
schestowitz	Or games?	Mar 10 14:05
schestowitz	Oh, nm	Mar 10 14:06
schestowitz	I read too fast	Mar 10 14:06
schestowitz	I want you to check something out....	Mar 10 14:06
schestowitz	http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://howsoftwareisbuilt.com	Mar 10 14:07
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Site report for howsoftwareisbuilt.com .::. Size~: 7.92 KB	Mar 10 14:07
schestowitz	"How Software is Built is sponsored by Microsoft Corp. "	Mar 10 14:07
Will__	uses Linux/Apache... I'm guessing Akamai there.	Mar 10 14:08
Will__	schestowitz: btw, I hadn't been paying attention before your articles, but now I've been seeing a lot of the stuff you said about stores and the Xbox.	Mar 10 14:09
Will__	At a Wal-mart I go to, I've seen that the PS3 section has expanded to about 3 times the Xbox shelf space, and at a Gamestop, I've noticed that only the Wii and PS3 are getting promenent displays	Mar 10 14:10
Will__	And even then, I've seen more than one store temporarily out of stock of PS3s.	Mar 10 14:12
Will__	Ever since the slim released, it's been like a whole new system.	Mar 10 14:12
oiaohm	slim don't over heat.	Mar 10 14:12
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Harsh truth about programmers http://www.codecomics.com/images/comics/assalto_en.png (via @ideamonk)		Mar 10 14:12
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oiaohm	It don't run Linux either that is a minor pain in ass	Mar 10 14:12
Will__	oiaohm: and they run quiet. Not like a jet engine.	Mar 10 14:13
oiaohm	The reduction in dia size.	Mar 10 14:13
oiaohm	Less heat less cooling required Will__	Mar 10 14:13
Will__	oiaohm: I know. Just bringing it up as a separate benefit. Anyway, I hate that they took out the Linux option, but with limited access to the hardware, it wasn't ideal to begin with.	Mar 10 14:14
oiaohm	I did manage to quet one of the old cases down.	Mar 10 14:14
schestowitz	http://thenextweb.com/apps/2010/03/10/mozilla-completely-rips-design-agencys-website/ Ha!	Mar 10 14:14
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Mozilla Completely Rips Off Design Agencys Website .::. Size~: 32.23 KB	Mar 10 14:14
schestowitz	Will__: but it's WP	Mar 10 14:14
schestowitz	WordPress	Mar 10 14:14
oiaohm	Cut hole in bottom so fan could suck in fresh cool air Will__	Mar 10 14:14
oiaohm	Or side depending on how you have the PS3 sitting.	Mar 10 14:15
schestowitz	WordPress would run FAR too poorly on Windows	Mar 10 14:15
schestowitz	I have a friend who tried. Total fail.	Mar 10 14:15
Will__	Seems like way too much opensource in use for MS to be using it	Mar 10 14:15
oiaohm	Increased cooling slowed the fan down a lot so it not a jet. Will__	Mar 10 14:15
oiaohm	Basically the only mistake the PS3 has in the god darn air intake.	Mar 10 14:15
MinceR	or use a real computer. :>	Mar 10 14:16
Will__	MinceR: exactly. Then you can use the video card as well.	Mar 10 14:17
oiaohm	cell chips are very good a particular types of processing.	Mar 10 14:18
MinceR	you won't be able to use them for that in the ps3 slim, though	Mar 10 14:18
schestowitz	http://www.p2pnet.net/story/36899	Mar 10 14:18
phIRCe-BNc	Title: p2pnet news » Blog Archive » Sarah Palin family used Canada health care .::. Size~: 44.65 KB	Mar 10 14:18
schestowitz	Palin, that commie	Mar 10 14:19
oiaohm	exactly I fixed up a non slims cooling problems. MinceR	Mar 10 14:19
oiaohm	Better heat sink compound ie artic silver. and one hole saw in side of case.	Mar 10 14:19
MinceR	and uncrippled ps3s aren't sold anymore, are they?	Mar 10 14:19
schestowitz	Hmmm.. should have put "commie" ins care quotes.	Mar 10 14:19
schestowitz	Hypocrisy noted	Mar 10 14:19
schestowitz	MinceR: no	Mar 10 14:20
schestowitz	This new Linux device shares a name with a famous criminal: http://www.androidguys.com/2010/03/09/ikan-wireless-kitchen-appliance-revolutionizes-inhome-grocery-shopping/	Mar 10 14:21
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Ikan Wireless Kitchen Appliance Revolutionizes In-Home Grocery Shopping \| AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 35.65 KB	Mar 10 14:21
oiaohm	I got mine from someone upgrading to slim.	Mar 10 14:21
oiaohm	He is minorally annoyed that a simple bit of work fixed the noise problem.	Mar 10 14:21
schestowitz	http://slashdot.org/submission/1190114/the-future-of-the-OS-GUI-from-2003?art_pos=1	Mar 10 14:23
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Slashdot Submission \| the future of the OS GUI from 2003 .::. Size~: 43.54 KB	Mar 10 14:23
schestowitz	> Re: Guardian audio tech blog	Mar 10 14:24
schestowitz	> An interview with the BBC DG Mark Thomson, at 7:15 a mention of the	Mar 10 14:24
schestowitz	> iPlayer and Open Source plugin. Pretty non committal ..	Mar 10 14:24
schestowitz	>	Mar 10 14:24
schestowitz	> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/audio/2010/mar/09/bbc-digital-mechanical-museum	Mar 10 14:24
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Tech Weekly podcast: Digital changes at the BBC, and inside San Francisco's mechanical museum \|Technology \|guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 77 KB	Mar 10 14:24
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schestowitz	http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/08/litvinenko-family-asylum-italy	Mar 10 14:26
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Alexander Litvinenko's father finds little sanctuary in Italy \|World news \|The Guardian .::. Size~: 75.46 KB	Mar 10 14:26
schestowitz	http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/08/us-troops-withdraw-haiti-earthquake	Mar 10 14:27
phIRCe-BNc	Title: US troops withdrawing from Haiti \|World news \|guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 69.49 KB	Mar 10 14:27
schestowitz	"Even a few thousand troops could effectively maintain military control over Haiti's weak government, " http://www.stallman.org/archives/2010-jan-apr.html#10%20March%202010%20%28US%20troops%20in%20Haiti%29	Mar 10 14:27
schestowitz	http://www.newstatesman.com/film/2010/03/avatar-reality-love-couple-sex	Mar 10 14:30
phIRCe-BNc	Title: New Statesman - Return of the natives .::. Size~: 47.7 KB	Mar 10 14:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Lining up a great interview for the next episode of @uupc !		Mar 10 14:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] New hardisk #fedora 12 x86_64 installed. Create my build system VM with libcirt => qemu-kvm == instant reboot, qemu non kvm doesn't work.		Mar 10 14:49
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schestowitz	oiaohm: http://www.electropages.com/viewArticle.aspx?intArticle=14923	Mar 10 14:58
Diablo-D3	http://slashdot.org/story/10/03/10/1320246/Ex-Sun-Chief-Dishes-Dirt-On-Gates-Jobs?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Reader	Mar 10 14:58
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Slashdot Story \| Ex-Sun Chief Dishes Dirt On Gates, Jobs .::. Size~: 112.97 KB	Mar 10 14:58
Diablo-D3	oh hohohohoh	Mar 10 14:58
Diablo-D3	slashdot carried it	Mar 10 15:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] I meant libvirt, of course...		Mar 10 15:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Boss has just been sent a CV by an agency. _His_ CV with someone _elses_ name/phone on it! The cheek!		Mar 10 15:04
oiaohm	Think I might be putting in for a sample of that chip schestowitz	Mar 10 15:05
schestowitz	http://opensource.com/should-be/10/3/rss-updates-what-were-reading-enhancements-flickr-stream	Mar 10 15:06
phIRCe-BNc	Title: RSS updates, What We're Reading enhancements, Flickr stream \| opensource.com .::. Size~: 31.4 KB	Mar 10 15:06
schestowitz	This site does not get any attention from Linux news site	Mar 10 15:06
schestowitz	I don't understand wh	Mar 10 15:06
schestowitz	oiaohm: I have a tonne of news for a digest today	Mar 10 15:07
schestowitz	Diablo-D3: indeed!	Mar 10 15:07
schestowitz	Bad for Apple and Microsoft... kudos to Jon	Mar 10 15:07
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: btw, I subscribe to jon's blog	Mar 10 15:07
Diablo-D3	I thought I linked to it in here earlier	Mar 10 15:07
Diablo-D3	maybe I didnt	Mar 10 15:07
schestowitz	Oh, I should too	Mar 10 15:07
schestowitz	I forgot	Mar 10 15:07
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schestowitz	Oh damn.	Mar 10 15:09
schestowitz	I was ALREADY subscribed	Mar 10 15:09
Diablo-D3	lol	Mar 10 15:09
schestowitz	I didn't even remember, I have hundreds of feeds	Mar 10 15:09
Diablo-D3	and I thought I had too many >_>	Mar 10 15:09
schestowitz	http://buytaert.net/the-history-of-mysql-ab	Mar 10 15:10
phIRCe-BNc	Title: The history of MySQL AB \| Dries Buytaert .::. Size~: 17.51 KB	Mar 10 15:10
schestowitz	http://www.animationmagazine.net/article/11233	Mar 10 15:13
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Disney Offers Ptex on New Open-Source Site \| Animation Magazine .::. Size~: 12.59 KB	Mar 10 15:13
schestowitz	Even Jobs and the Hollywood giants of his (by association) give up closed-source	Mar 10 15:13
schestowitz	In pieces	Mar 10 15:13
Diablo-D3	heh	Mar 10 15:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Argh. Amputation feels like a good idea...		Mar 10 15:15
oiaohm	Part that blender has been becoming a main stay in 3d movie production. Costs are also a factor schestowitz	Mar 10 15:16
*schestowitz subscribes to http://timothyblee.com/?feed=rss2		Mar 10 15:16
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schestowitz	oiaohm: the more people co-develop (like Apache), the stronger it becoems	Mar 10 15:17
schestowitz	Then it becomes impossible to defeat because of the nwtwork effect	Mar 10 15:17
schestowitz	It's run by a foundation and owned by everyone	Mar 10 15:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] great name for an Apple critics podcast = the turtlenecked automoton		Mar 10 15:22
oiaohm	schestowitz: blender foundation hunts down funding for full time developers.	Mar 10 15:24
oiaohm	So its a little more than just network effect. Each movie blender produces is jumps forwards in tech.	Mar 10 15:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dear #bbc. You suck. http://bit.ly/bKNjOl "get_iplayer dropped in response to BBC.s lack of support for open source"		Mar 10 15:27
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schestowitz	http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2010/mar/9/dutch-pirates-set-sail/ http://staging.piratenpartij.nl/	Mar 10 15:30
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #RonPaul is running for re-election this year as the only honest man in the House http://ur1.ca/i0mx		Mar 10 15:32
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schestowitz	http://www.news.ku.edu/2010/march/3/onlinedating.shtml	Mar 10 15:36
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Online daters behave similarly to those who meet face-to-face, KU researcher says - KU News .::. Size~: 20.27 KB	Mar 10 15:36
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Ender2070	the author of xchat just told me this	Mar 10 15:39
Ender2070	the windows development is the main development branch NOT under the GPL, and that they port parts of that to the Linux GPL version	Mar 10 15:40
schestowitz	http://techdirt.com/articles/20100308/1041228463.shtml	Mar 10 15:40
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Ender2070	which to be honest sounds like bullshit	Mar 10 15:41
schestowitz	Who cares?	Mar 10 15:41
schestowitz	I left xchat	Mar 10 15:41
schestowitz	Konversation is FAR better	Mar 10 15:41
schestowitz	sebsebseb recommended it to me, and I'm delighted that he did	Mar 10 15:41
Ender2070	i know its far better	Mar 10 15:42
Ender2070	its jus a matter of principal	Mar 10 15:42
Ender2070	just*	Mar 10 15:42
schestowitz	daemonfox should see this: http://consumerist.com/2010/03/indiana-county-wont-prosecute-stores-with-redboxes.html	Mar 10 15:46
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Indiana County Won't Prosecute Stores With Redboxes - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 55.65 KB	Mar 10 15:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Computer Science Degrees Still In Demand" http://ur1.ca/p2oc http://ur1.ca/p2od		Mar 10 15:47
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phIRCe-BNc	Title: Computer Science Degrees Still In Demand \| Techdirt .::. Size~: 103.5 KB	Mar 10 15:47
schestowitz	Ender2070: *ple	Mar 10 15:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Stupidity prevails at NYT, which compares copying to "stealing" ("shoplifting") http://ur1.ca/p2p7		Mar 10 15:51
phIRCe-BNc	Title: The Public Editor - Journalistic Shoplifting - Op-Ed - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 48.36 KB	Mar 10 15:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Microsoft launches free rival to BBC iPlayer - the MSN Video Player - Times Online - More BBC / MS incest http://tinyurl.com/ykqylhd		Mar 10 16:01
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Microsoft launches free rival to BBC iPlayer - the MSN Video Player - Times Online .::. Size~: 105.37 KB	Mar 10 16:01
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] RS @b1ackcr0w: Using Linux really has made life better #shotofjaq !lo http://www.artofcomplaint.com/?p=723		Mar 10 16:07
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] downloading a bunch of !cmdln podcasts to listen for the first time		Mar 10 16:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning, Internet friends!		Mar 10 16:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @hifromkatie: @jonobacon mentioned in todays gpf-comic http://www.gpf-comics.com/archive.php?d=20100310 along with others -- sweet!!		Mar 10 16:40
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Man GNU/Linux is sweet, you will realize it when you are forced to use doze.		Mar 10 17:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] In an hour I am doing my Ubuntu and Community Q+A videocast live at http://tinyurl.com/d5v4xg - hope you can join me! #ubuntu #community		Mar 10 17:03
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schestowitz	LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMtuWymUzz4	Mar 10 17:07
phIRCe-BNc	Title: YouTube- James Randi Speaks: Dowsing, the Ideomotor Effect .::. Size~: 120.03 KB	Mar 10 17:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Installed the Alpha3, worked around Nouveau trouble by installing the Nvidia binary blob. Works great (as expected).		Mar 10 17:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] My brother had a new baby (Aisha). ^^		Mar 10 17:31
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruTmqfGJhTI	Mar 10 17:32
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Omar87	Howdy all. :D	Mar 10 17:34
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schestowitz	"@glynmoody why do play play along with the "Bill Gates" brand/PR campaign? See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0hgP3ioAeA "	Mar 10 18:05
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WireWulf	o/	Mar 10 18:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I will be doing a my live Ubuntu and community Q+A now at 11am / 2pm EST / 7pm GMT at http://is.gd/a8Wc7 #ubuntu #community		Mar 10 18:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Agradeço aos Eurodeputados portugueses o seu voto sobre a ACTA. Com excepção de VMoreira AGomes MDavid e PRangel q abstiveram ou ñ votaram.		Mar 10 18:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Foi um bom voto. Para os restantes Eurodeputados portugueses: PARABÉNS!		Mar 10 18:21
Omar87	schestowitz, how did he reply?	Mar 10 18:29
WireWulf	lalalalalala	Mar 10 18:43
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schestowitz	Omar87: who did?	Mar 10 18:57
schestowitz	Oh. Moody.	Mar 10 18:57
schestowitz	Has hasn't yet	Mar 10 18:57
Omar87	schestowitz, I see.	Mar 10 18:57
schestowitz	Mac Asay replied to me today	Mar 10 18:57
Omar87	schestowitz, what did you ask him?	Mar 10 18:57
*schestowitz listens to nas album..		Mar 10 18:58
schestowitz	Omar87: see BN	Mar 10 18:58
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schestowitz	I don't like these replies, but he by all means should let his side of the story be heard	Mar 10 19:00
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Omar87	schestowitz, can you give me the link?	Mar 10 19:05
Omar87	Please?	Mar 10 19:05
Omar87	Okay	Mar 10 19:05
Omar87	I got it/	Mar 10 19:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] About to broadcast live my Ubuntu / community Q+A now at http://is.gd/a8Wc7 - join us! #ubuntu #community		Mar 10 19:10
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Omar87	schestowitz, yeah. Mac Asay is really shameless. He has running out of professional dignity.	Mar 10 19:11
Omar87	He *is running out..	Mar 10 19:12
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MinceR	does anyone know the URL of the slightly osx-ified Light theme? (i think DaemonFC showed them)	Mar 10 19:14
schestowitz	Omar87: hold on...	Mar 10 19:22
schestowitz	Was away for a while	Mar 10 19:22
schestowitz	Here's the thing.	Mar 10 19:22
schestowitz	He can help Microsoft	Mar 10 19:22
schestowitz	If he wants	Mar 10 19:22
schestowitz	He invited their key racketeer Brad Smith to OSBC 2008	Mar 10 19:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] " #Linux Against Poverty 2010" Kicks off In #Texas http://ur1.ca/p3ln #helios		Mar 10 19:23
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schestowitz	I'll never forget that	Mar 10 19:23
schestowitz	The only bigger racketeer is Horacio	Mar 10 19:23
schestowitz	And the puppetmasters Bill and Steve, maybe Ozzie, but I doubt that	Mar 10 19:23
schestowitz	Asay is exceedingly polite, BUT...	Mar 10 19:24
cubezzz	Ozzie used to be cool :)	Mar 10 19:24
schestowitz	He promoted the trolls from that anti-BN site	Mar 10 19:25
schestowitz	cubezzz: old days	Mar 10 19:25
schestowitz	Maybe he'll quit later	Mar 10 19:25
schestowitz	His business at MSFT fails	Mar 10 19:25
schestowitz	Online stuff	Mar 10 19:25
schestowitz	$2+ billion per years in LOSSES per YEAR	Mar 10 19:25
cubezzz	I'm probably thinking about a different Ozzie though	Mar 10 19:25
cubezzz	there's a lot of things that aren't good	Mar 10 19:26
cubezzz	sports for example, has become totally about money	Mar 10 19:26
cubezzz	I can't even watch sports on Linux barely	Mar 10 19:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Falls Off People's Desktops Like Tails Off Monkeys Throughout Evolution http://ur1.ca/p3m8		Mar 10 19:27
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schestowitz	Yes, sports are corruption	Mar 10 19:27
schestowitz	Nothing new about it	Mar 10 19:27
schestowitz	Olympics and football in particular, AFAIK	Mar 10 19:28
cubezzz	yes I figured you would say that :)	Mar 10 19:28
cubezzz	I guess that's why I like GNU so much	Mar 10 19:28
cubezzz	it's not about the money	Mar 10 19:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Desktop With Memory Footprint of 18 MB http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/your-way-is-the-right-way/		Mar 10 19:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux 2.6.34 Already on Track with 400,000+ New Lines of Code http://ur1.ca/oxu6 http://ur1.ca/p3mz		Mar 10 19:31
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cubezzz	schestowitz, I got the whole house on Linux now	Mar 10 19:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Foundation Opens Store http://store.linux.com/ http://ur1.ca/p3n4 http://ur1.ca/p3n5		Mar 10 19:32
cubezzz	erased the last windows install	Mar 10 19:32
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cubezzz	that doesn't really look that appealing	Mar 10 19:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Major Desktop Environments in #GNU #Linux Made Fantastic Progress, #KDE Still Heaviest http://ur1.ca/p3ng http://ur1.ca/p3nh		Mar 10 19:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC Elected for #OpenPC , Preview of KDE 4.5 http://ur1.ca/p3nt http://ur1.ca/p3nu		Mar 10 19:36
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schestowitz	cubezzz: nice!	Mar 10 19:38
schestowitz	I deleted my last Linux partition in 2005	Mar 10 19:38
schestowitz	*Windows	Mar 10 19:38
schestowitz	Moved to all Linux everywhere (home and work)	Mar 10 19:38
schestowitz	SUSE	Mar 10 19:38
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schestowitz	cubezzz: re LF shop, maybe it's good for publuic presence	Mar 10 19:39
schestowitz	Also free ads	Mar 10 19:39
schestowitz	linux.com addresses and shirt and mugs and stuff	Mar 10 19:39
schestowitz	But they already have enoug funding from members (companies)	Mar 10 19:40
schestowitz	Nokia joined too	Mar 10 19:40
schestowitz	Moblin was the LF's	Mar 10 19:40
schestowitz	Under Intel	Mar 10 19:40
schestowitz	Major sponsor	Mar 10 19:40
schestowitz	Now with Nokia+Meego(Meamo+Moblin), I wonder how LF is related to MeeGo	Mar 10 19:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS 2010 Works Brilliantly, More Previews http://ur1.ca/p3p9 http://ur1.ca/owe0 http://ur1.ca/p3pa		Mar 10 19:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Preliminary Look at #Fedora 13 (Alpha) http://ur1.ca/p3pn http://ur1.ca/p3pp http://ur1.ca/p3pr		Mar 10 19:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Preparation for Next #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux, New Deal with #Wyse http://ur1.ca/p3q7 http://ur1.ca/p3q8 http://ur1.ca/p3q9		Mar 10 19:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Linux on #Phones Will Win and How it Replaces the Desktop to a Degree http://ur1.ca/p3r2 http://ur1.ca/p3r3		Mar 10 19:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many New #Linux #Devices Now in Kitchens, Robotics, More http://ur1.ca/p3rr http://ur1.ca/p3rt		Mar 10 20:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #GNU #Linux #Tablets Are Coming: #Freescale , #HTC http://ur1.ca/p3s0 http://ur1.ca/p3s1		Mar 10 20:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New 3D Stack for Open Source #BeOS -compatible OS ( #Haiku OS) http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODA1NQ		Mar 10 20:15
phIRCe-BNc	Title: [Phoronix] Haiku OS Hopes For New 3D Stack .::. Size~: 16.64 KB	Mar 10 20:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Makes Use of #KHTML Derivative for Speed http://ur1.ca/owsy		Mar 10 20:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the History of #MySQL #Database , #CouchDB http://ur1.ca/p3w2 http://ur1.ca/p3w3		Mar 10 20:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Businesses Can Deploy #FreeSoftware for Internal #Microblogging http://ur1.ca/oxuq		Mar 10 20:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK #Government in London Under Fire for Neglecting #Freedom in Software http://ur1.ca/p3wn		Mar 10 20:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Slovenia protests Government's Affairs with Software Monopolist http://ur1.ca/p3wy		Mar 10 20:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Brazilian #Government Deploys #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/owhj		Mar 10 20:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I heard that #feynman explained to Corey Haim why vampires couldn't exist		Mar 10 20:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] aaand the chromium experiment ends, cos it kept pegging my cpu and the laptop kept overheating and shutting down. ff 3.6 doesn't do this.		Mar 10 20:32
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DaemonFC	Funny thing... A local businessman that rents cars for a living told me that the 50 cent a mile tax credit you get for business use of your private vehicle is "lining your pockets with taxpayer money"	Mar 10 20:35
DaemonFC	so I replied that he should return all his business tax credits to the IRS immediately because he's "lining his pockets with my money"	Mar 10 20:35
DaemonFC	http://www.truthin2010.org/	Mar 10 20:41
DaemonFC	lol	Mar 10 20:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CCTV Now in Toilets http://ur1.ca/p40k http://ur1.ca/p40l It stinks		Mar 10 20:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NetNeutrality at Risk http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2010/mar/10/internet-without-net-neutrality/		Mar 10 20:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #DRM / #DMCA Abused http://ur1.ca/p410		Mar 10 20:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Hurt Science http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2010/03/open-science-vs-intellectual-monopolies.html		Mar 10 20:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Faces Intense Opposition, Especially in Europe http://ur1.ca/or7n http://ur1.ca/p417 http://ur1.ca/p1mn http://ur1.ca/p418		Mar 10 20:48
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WireWulf	moo like a spamer :P	Mar 10 20:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Alice in Wonderland - 3D Masterpiece? My review of the technology of 3D in the theatres. http://bit.ly/9zPeoq		Mar 10 20:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Thanks for all the wonderful questions folks in the vidcast! #ubuntu #community		Mar 10 20:56
schestowitz	DaemonFC: http://consumerist.com/2010/03/indiana-county-wont-prosecute-stores-with-redboxes.html	Mar 10 21:01
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DaemonFC	saw it	Mar 10 21:03
WireWulf	,.,..,.,...,.,..,...,	Mar 10 21:03
Diablo-D3	saw it	Mar 10 21:05
Diablo-D3	and promptly lol'd	Mar 10 21:05
schestowitz	http://identi.ca/notice/24321553 "@schestowitz props to the designer who made smooth photo transitions without flash or gnash. html5?"	Mar 10 21:05
phIRCe-BNc	Title: menn (openuniverse) 's status on Wednesday, 10-Mar-10 19:40:00 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.34 KB	Mar 10 21:05
schestowitz	The Lohan thing was better	Mar 10 21:06
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: not even html5	Mar 10 21:06
Diablo-D3	though yes, doing it in canvas is really fucking simple	Mar 10 21:06
*Diablo-D3 can do it in like 10 lines of js		Mar 10 21:06
DaemonFC	Diablo-D3, Gotta stop those redboxes, they have snuff porn in them and it's free and open to minors	Mar 10 21:07
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 10 21:07
Diablo-D3	snuff porn?	Mar 10 21:07
*Diablo-D3 quickly heads to the nearest redbox		Mar 10 21:07
DaemonFC	Where they kill someone	Mar 10 21:07
DaemonFC	it was a joke	Mar 10 21:07
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: I think you missed where I was going with this	Mar 10 21:08
DaemonFC	Diablo-D3, Though The Passion of The Christ counts as snuff porn, I think	Mar 10 21:08
Diablo-D3	meh, but its GAY snuff porn	Mar 10 21:08
Diablo-D3	it doesnt do anything for me	Mar 10 21:08
DaemonFC	now Ubuntu's indicator crapplets are leaking memory	Mar 10 21:09
DaemonFC	nice	Mar 10 21:09
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DaemonFC	jono, This is starting to remind me of that Vista developer that mused about the 6 month crapfest to create a new shutdown applet	Mar 10 21:10
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 10 21:10
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCvkwbLYhNw	Mar 10 21:10
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DaemonFC	They should use that Made on a Mac button	Mar 10 21:11
DaemonFC	wear it with pride	Mar 10 21:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @petapixel Poll - What operating system do you use? http://j.mp/b1FuMm <-- for photographers		Mar 10 21:11
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Diablo-D3	<ceo of e-trade> who the fuck is lindsay lohan?	Mar 10 21:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Testing out SugarCRM.. looking for if it can be used for our organization.		Mar 10 21:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @rejon: If you using SKYPE, you are a #FLOSSTITUTE		Mar 10 21:15
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schestowitz	I figured, maybe it's a stunt	Mar 10 21:19
schestowitz	She could be naming a ridiculous amount just to make headliens	Mar 10 21:19
schestowitz	And make something out of herself	Mar 10 21:19
DaemonFC	I'm just going to have the state grab this shit they asked for	Mar 10 21:20
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 10 21:20
DaemonFC	this is unreasonable	Mar 10 21:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Is Remi's repo the best way to get Firefox 3.6 for #fedora ?		Mar 10 21:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Is #Fedora 13's Firefox 3.6 only problem the Java plugin if installed in Fedora 12?		Mar 10 21:23
DaemonFC	the state likes to send out forms requesting mounds of paperwork that they know you don't have on you	Mar 10 21:25
DaemonFC	and gives you 3 days to get them back in	Mar 10 21:25
*DaemonFC bangs head on desk		Mar 10 21:25
scientes	paperwork that you are expected to get from them?	Mar 10 21:26
DaemonFC	some of it, yes	Mar 10 21:28
DaemonFC	so they already know most of this shit	Mar 10 21:28
DaemonFC	they make me send it in to inconvenience me	Mar 10 21:29
DaemonFC	Like my vehicle registration	Mar 10 21:29
DaemonFC	they issued that	Mar 10 21:29
DaemonFC	why do they need copies of something they issued?	Mar 10 21:30
DaemonFC	then everything I send in has to have the proper numbers written on the top or they don't accept it	Mar 10 21:31
DaemonFC	and I'm on the phone now on hold	Mar 10 21:32
DaemonFC	because they're asking for things that don't even apply	Mar 10 21:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @Eithin Pope's brother admits having been abusive teacher & protecting others: http://bit.ly/d2CfxZ <-- Catholics: YOUR DONATIONS AT WORK		Mar 10 21:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Working for a living against religion, says pharmacist http://newstechnica.com/?p=1853		Mar 10 21:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft -Sponsored #GNU #Linux -Hostile Site, http://ur1.ca/p4b6, is Powered by GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/p4b8		Mar 10 21:45
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DaemonFC	I'm switching banks	Mar 10 21:45
DaemonFC	this is fucking ridiculous	Mar 10 21:45
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trmanco	hey	Mar 10 21:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] My heart bleeds. You can hear it, it's that guffawing noise. http://is.gd/a9RH8		Mar 10 21:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Amahi is awesome - interviewing Carlos Puchol on FLOSSWeekly now about it - http://live.twit.tv :-)		Mar 10 22:11
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schestowitz	Another page says that "www.howsoftwareisbuilt.com is a blog forum sponsored by Microsoft to encourage community dialogue about open source and proprietary software development models."	Mar 10 22:11
schestowitz	Hey, trmanco_	Mar 10 22:11
schestowitz	Did you see the post?	Mar 10 22:11
trmanco_	yeah	Mar 10 22:11
trmanco_	:D	Mar 10 22:11
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sebsebseb	Hi	Mar 10 22:14
trmanco_	hi	Mar 10 22:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] In Praise of Masculine Stupidity http://bit.ly/cwaImz by @JohnBirmingham		Mar 10 22:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Still Spreads Lies About #GNU #Linux , Faces Rational Opposition http://ur1.ca/p4j9 #fud #pr #spin		Mar 10 22:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft plants another flag in #W3C , #MonoDevelop pushes .NET at #Novell or elsewhere http://ur1.ca/p4ou		Mar 10 23:17
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, I ended up taking scissors to the 11 forms the state wanted information off of and got them to fit on 3 pages	Mar 10 23:17
DaemonFC	they're going to think the unibomber is sending them letters, but oh fucking well	Mar 10 23:18
DaemonFC	the entire point of this exercise was to inconvenience me, sending them forms containing 80% of what they already knew	Mar 10 23:18
DaemonFC	1 month later, my old car insurance company is spamming me	Mar 10 23:19
DaemonFC	"Wait, we're willing to be more reasonable now that you've left!"	Mar 10 23:20
cubezzz	I wouldn't mind having all the Comes documents in text form as well	Mar 10 23:20
cubezzz	hrmmm	Mar 10 23:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: Driven like the snow. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/30679.html		Mar 10 23:22
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cubezzz	so there really was a windows evangelism team	Mar 10 23:22
DaemonFC	What motivated you to shop for auto insurance quotes? (Select all that apply). Other (Please specify:) "Geico isn't punishing me over the accident in 2007. :)"	Mar 10 23:23
*sebsebseb will be helping someone go Mandriva a bit later on, it seems :)		Mar 10 23:23
cubezzz	DRG = Developer Relations Group	Mar 10 23:23
cubezzz	hrmmm	Mar 10 23:23
cubezzz	wow, it's like we were all pawns	Mar 10 23:23
cubezzz	oh dear, "highly confidential" :)	Mar 10 23:26
oiaohm	windows evangelism was only one part.	Mar 10 23:27
oiaohm	The war footing MS stands on as well is another. cubezzz	Mar 10 23:27
oiaohm	Ie if they have a means to destroy a competion they will attempt it.	Mar 10 23:28
DaemonFC	I'm switching banks soon, Wells Fargo is getting on my nerves	Mar 10 23:28
cubezzz	but then you won't earn any interest!	Mar 10 23:28
DaemonFC	so same as now?	Mar 10 23:29
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 10 23:29
cubezzz	;-)	Mar 10 23:29
DaemonFC	hold that thought	Mar 10 23:29
*DaemonFC signs in		Mar 10 23:29
cubezzz	one thing I still don't understand though	Mar 10 23:29
DaemonFC	02/26/10INTEREST PAYMENT +$0.01	Mar 10 23:29
cubezzz	why is it called "Comes"?	Mar 10 23:30
DaemonFC	FREE AT LAST!!!	Mar 10 23:30
DaemonFC	THANK GOD ALMIGHTY, FREE AT LAST!!!!	Mar 10 23:30
DaemonFC	A PENNY!!!!	Mar 10 23:30
cubezzz	don't forget to declare that on your income tax :)	Mar 10 23:30
DaemonFC	fuck you	Mar 10 23:30
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 10 23:30
schestowitz	[23:28] <DaemonFC> I'm switching banks soon, Wells Fargo is getting on my nerves	Mar 10 23:30
schestowitz	Last week I read about it almost being bought out	Mar 10 23:31
schestowitz	cubezzz: Comes is a name	Mar 10 23:31
DaemonFC	schestowitz, National City has a promo every so often, where they pay you $100 to switch to them	Mar 10 23:31
DaemonFC	I'm going for it next time	Mar 10 23:31
cubezzz	name of what?	Mar 10 23:31
DaemonFC	the only thing Wells Fargo gave me was a stuffed pony	Mar 10 23:31
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 10 23:31
cubezzz	a stuffed GNU would be better	Mar 10 23:32
DaemonFC	http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7927/20100310182526.jpg	Mar 10 23:34
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cubezzz	OK, I finally see	Mar 10 23:35
cubezzz	"The full title of the case is: Joe Comes, Riley Paint, Inc., an Iowa corporation"	Mar 10 23:35
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cubezzz	kind of odd that a paint guy would take on Microsoft :)	Mar 10 23:37
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DaemonFC	how does Exaile import CDs to FLAC 9 when 8 is maximum compression	Mar 10 23:42
DaemonFC	? :P	Mar 10 23:42
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schestowitz	You're actually shaved	Mar 10 23:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ashley Highfield, #Microsoft UK, Bill Gates, Murdoch, and the #BBC http://ur1.ca/p4rw for those who lost track		Mar 10 23:47
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DaemonFC	yeah, didn't want to look like a TERROR~1	Mar 10 23:47
DaemonFC	Guess I really should shave more, I don't want to look 30 before I have to	Mar 10 23:47
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cubezzz	so is BBC supportive of Linux?	Mar 10 23:53
cubezzz	at all?	Mar 10 23:53
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Do you know of any way to automatically pull in latest X.org and Mesa in Fedora?	Mar 10 23:53
DaemonFC	independent of the rest of the system	Mar 10 23:53
cubezzz	wow, Ballmer's on the front page :-/	Mar 10 23:54
schestowitz	I'll put him in BN's front page too	Mar 10 23:55
schestowitz	In just a moment...	Mar 10 23:55
cubezzz	schestowitz, at least the BBC talks about Linux on their accessibility page	Mar 10 23:57

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