IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 19th, 2010

schestowitz	http://www.clashmusic.com/news/big-star-singer-alex-chilton-dies	Mar 19 00:01
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schestowitz	http://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-One-Music-Store-Tops-or-Flop	Mar 19 00:05
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: ??	Mar 19 00:05
DaemonFC	huh?	Mar 19 00:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Ballmer: whether it's the other patent-licensing costs that you might have to pay to use open-source software http://i5.be/aC1		Mar 19 00:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ah what a relaxing fondue dinner with friends :)		Mar 19 00:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ITRE committee of the European Parliament on Net Neutrality, Telecom Package and so on: http://i5.be/aC2		Mar 19 00:15
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schestowitz	http://www.webmasterworld.com/linux/4099330.htm	Mar 19 00:18
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schestowitz	Dupes in Jupitermedia are caused by the fact that they publish the same articles in several domains under different headlines. This is one such example, which I've noticed one may sometimes overlook. :-) http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3871391/Ten-Linux-Downloads-Worth-Considering.htm	Mar 19 00:24
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schestowitz	One links to another...	Mar 19 00:24
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schestowitz	Software patents are not valid where I live. And for good reasons! I know Japan is one among the very few countries that made the mistake of allowing software patents. I don't know about China, but in some ways I admire their approach towards intellectual monopolies, which make monopolies, censorship, classes, bogus DMCA takedowns, and so on. Big mess, ACTA exacerbates things.	Mar 19 00:28
schestowitz	Does China allow swpats?	Mar 19 00:28
tessier_	heh...would it matter? :)	Mar 19 00:28
zoobab	yes they do	Mar 19 00:28
tessier_	Not like they care about copyright or anything there	Mar 19 00:28
tessier_	Even Vietnam still has shops where you can go and buy anything you want	Mar 19 00:29
tessier_	copied cds etc.	Mar 19 00:29
schestowitz	zoobab: they have more patents than the US per annum now	Mar 19 00:29
schestowitz	tessier_: yeah......	Mar 19 00:29
schestowitz	To us it seems like anarchy	Mar 19 00:29
schestowitz	I'm not sure if some sound economic analysis will prove that society can benefit more in this type of market	Mar 19 00:30
tessier_	I would actually prefer it there way if it didn't put us at a competitive disadvantage that we have to play by the rules and they don't	Mar 19 00:30
schestowitz	The the West it's clear	Mar 19 00:30
tessier_	their	Mar 19 00:30
schestowitz	In order to exploit other countries, we need "IP"	Mar 19 00:30
schestowitz	Good for 4% of the population, kind of crap for the rest	Mar 19 00:30
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schestowitz	tessier_: but whose rules are they?	Mar 19 00:31
schestowitz	WTO is in the West	Mar 19 00:31
schestowitz	WIPO is in Geneve or Bern	Mar 19 00:31
schestowitz	*va	Mar 19 00:31
schestowitz	They are built to serve one bias	Mar 19 00:31
schestowitz	Like the bias that says the US and UK are at the top (north)	Mar 19 00:31
schestowitz	zoobab: http://www.networkworld.com/podcasts/openmic/2010/031710openmic-williamson.html	Mar 19 00:32
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Koi8R	Someone really believes in this http://samples.msdn.microsoft.com/ietestcenter/??	Mar 19 00:33
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*schestowitz makes ogg from zoobab's latest vid		Mar 19 00:33
schestowitz	Koi8R: no	Mar 19 00:33
schestowitz	See: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/17/ie-9-lies-already/	Mar 19 00:34
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Koi8R	I smiled with this )	Mar 19 00:34
zoobab	ffmpeg2theora crashes on the WMV produced my the Microsoft platform of the European Parliament	Mar 19 00:35
schestowitz	mp3 only for sflc show	Mar 19 00:35
zoobab	http://media.ffii.org/itre100317/	Mar 19 00:35
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zoobab	there is a need to use the -aid 3 for english translation	Mar 19 00:36
zoobab	if you play it under VLC, you can choose the video size, and audio track	Mar 19 00:36
zoobab	Microsoft sponsors the European Parliament's infrastructure, so now 600M EU citizens have to pay	Mar 19 00:40
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schestowitz	Aaron Williamson said "intellectual property" and "open source"	Mar 19 00:44
Koi8R	There is someone from the Ukraine or Russia?	Mar 19 00:45
schestowitz	zoobab: listen to the audio	Mar 19 00:46
schestowitz	It's nice and short	Mar 19 00:46
zoobab	can you provide an OGV of the 1.2GB?	Mar 19 00:46
zoobab	with the english track?	Mar 19 00:47
schestowitz	I can try	Mar 19 00:47
zoobab	so that I can put it on media.ffii.org, and youtube	Mar 19 00:47
schestowitz	Where will I upload it?	Mar 19 00:47
zoobab	media.ffii.org	Mar 19 00:47
Diablo-D3	MinceR: lol TV.	Mar 19 00:47
schestowitz	I can <video> oggs	Mar 19 00:47
zoobab	ssh	Mar 19 00:47
_goblin	schestowitz: hi Roy...	Mar 19 00:47
zoobab	ok	Mar 19 00:47
zoobab	publish it on your server	Mar 19 00:47
schestowitz	zoobab: OK, downloading, let me try....	Mar 19 00:47
zoobab	and i can wget it	Mar 19 00:47
schestowitz	Hey, _goblin	Mar 19 00:47
zoobab	all the scripts I used with ffmpeg hangs	Mar 19 00:48
zoobab	it needs to be reencoded with mencoder, just copying the frames, -vcodec copy	Mar 19 00:48
schestowitz	Downloading at 1.5 MB/sec	Mar 19 00:48
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schestowitz	http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/03/microsoft-to-appeal-106-million-virnetx-patent-verdict.ars http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/17/microsoft_loses_virnetx_patent_case/	Mar 19 00:49
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schestowitz	http://techdirt.com/articles/20100310/0302518496.shtml	Mar 19 00:49
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schestowitz	http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62F5YR20100316	Mar 19 00:50
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MinceR	Diablo-D3: ?	Mar 19 00:52
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvfTBziKoP0	Mar 19 00:54
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Diablo-D3	MinceR: TV, the user.	Mar 19 00:57
MinceR	oh.	Mar 19 00:57
MinceR	i'm not on the SIP channel though. :>	Mar 19 00:59
DaemonFC	heh	Mar 19 01:00
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flmoXQk6tt0	Mar 19 01:00
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DaemonFC	MinceR, Ubuntu beat Rhythmbox up and stole their lunch money	Mar 19 01:00
DaemonFC	they modified the referrer in Rhythmbox and now Magnatune owes them $100	Mar 19 01:00
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Worth a mention somewhere I guess	Mar 19 01:05
DaemonFC	what a lousy thing to do	Mar 19 01:05
DaemonFC	Are they really so petty that they're going to keep that money and deny it to GNOME?	Mar 19 01:06
schestowitz	_goblin: protests against BNP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHuk1P9yZIE	Mar 19 01:08
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Diablo-D3	MinceR: no, you're not =P	Mar 19 01:08
Diablo-D3	MinceR: we were lulzing that our circle of people we know is rather small	Mar 19 01:08
schestowitz	DaemonFC: : like they did with Moz?	Mar 19 01:08
DaemonFC	heh	Mar 19 01:10
_goblin	schestowitz: as distastful as the BNP is, surely the freedom of peaceful protest (regardless of view) is something you would champion?	Mar 19 01:10
bruce89	BNP and peaceful don't go together	Mar 19 01:11
_goblin	bruce89: probably true....	Mar 19 01:11
DaemonFC	BNP doesn't seem like they have a huge following	Mar 19 01:11
DaemonFC	more like lunatic fringe?	Mar 19 01:11
_goblin	bruce89: but the video was made by people who claim we should all be free to express ourselves.	Mar 19 01:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon Can you comment on the $100 in money that Ubuntu improperly took from Rhythmbox? http://bit.ly/9AXGPq		Mar 19 01:11
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DaemonFC	:D	Mar 19 01:12
bruce89	_goblin: true, but you'd understand if you knew the sort of things they get up to	Mar 19 01:12
_goblin	bruce89: I personally think the BNP should not be free to express themselves, however under the banner of "Every is OK" then freedom of speach is something they champion.....allegedly.	Mar 19 01:12
_goblin	bruce89: I understand more than you realize.	Mar 19 01:12
bruce89	sorry, so I see	Mar 19 01:12
DaemonFC	_goblin, Just like they "tolerate" homosexuals "behind closed doors"	Mar 19 01:13
DaemonFC	They don't sound like an all opinions welcome bunch	Mar 19 01:13
_goblin	daemonfc: I completely agree with you....they don't tolerate......	Mar 19 01:13
_goblin	daemonfc: its shameful that in 2010 people still have dark ages views	Mar 19 01:13
bruce89	hear hear	Mar 19 01:14
DaemonFC	their goal is to abuse freedom of speech until they are in power, and then repeal it for everyone else, _goblin	Mar 19 01:14
DaemonFC	How many times has history repeated this?	Mar 19 01:14
bruce89	but unfortunately, a lot of people take these right-wing toilet rolls of newspapers as fact	Mar 19 01:14
_goblin	the problem is (with the crew that made that Youtube vid) is that in promoting their opinion of "free speech" whilst challenging laws they know little about, they are actually justifying the freedom of speech of groups like BNP.....you cant have free speech for some and not for others.	Mar 19 01:15
DaemonFC	_goblin, That's kind of why the Libertarians appeal to me. "As long as you're not hurting anyone else, it's not a state interest." They even want to get the state out of marriage, all marriage.	Mar 19 01:15
DaemonFC	lol	Mar 19 01:15
DaemonFC	they're more gay friendly than the Democrats	Mar 19 01:15
_goblin	I personally don't agree with free speech.	Mar 19 01:16
_goblin	you can't have it.	Mar 19 01:16
Balrog	DaemonFC: didn't state get into marriage only recently?	Mar 19 01:16
Balrog	_goblin: why?	Mar 19 01:16
Balrog	(recently meaning past 100-150 years)	Mar 19 01:16
MinceR	Diablo-D3: ic	Mar 19 01:16
_goblin	otherwise it would be acceptable to abuse someone on the grounds of sexuality or race.....how is that right for the victim and how are they free?	Mar 19 01:16
DaemonFC	Balrog, The state has been in on it for a while. Oddly enough some states still recognize common law marriages.	Mar 19 01:16
DaemonFC	You live together and present yourselves as a couple, you're married	Mar 19 01:16
Balrog	_goblin: slander is one thing, but see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Peter_Zenger	Mar 19 01:17
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Balrog	yes exactly	Mar 19 01:17
_goblin	slander? is not quite what we mean here though.	Mar 19 01:17
Balrog	sometime in the late 1800s, though more so the early 1900s they started instituting the type of marriage we have now	Mar 19 01:17
DaemonFC	civil law, joy!!!	Mar 19 01:17
Balrog	near the same time the income tax was implemented	Mar 19 01:17
MinceR	_goblin: where do you draw the line on the freedom to express political ideas?	Mar 19 01:17
DaemonFC	Divorce lawyers thought this shit up	Mar 19 01:17
DaemonFC	you just know they did	Mar 19 01:17
Balrog	not only divorce lawyers	Mar 19 01:18
bruce89	_goblin: then criticising the government could be wrong	Mar 19 01:18
_goblin	mincer: I think it should be judged on the same scale as certain laws......	Mar 19 01:18
Balrog	it's more about taxes	Mar 19 01:18
bruce89	dangerous precedent	Mar 19 01:18
MinceR	_goblin: that isn't very specific	Mar 19 01:18
_goblin	would "a person of reasonable firmness" consider it wrong.	Mar 19 01:18
Balrog	wrong ≠ illegal	Mar 19 01:18
bruce89	reasonable firmness meaning?	Mar 19 01:18
_goblin	sane	Mar 19 01:18
_goblin	in a nutshell	Mar 19 01:19
bruce89	define sane	Mar 19 01:19
Balrog	a lot of things that many people consider morally unsound are legal	Mar 19 01:19
DaemonFC	Balrog, There's really no tax incentives to get married, in fact the state can stop paying a person't Social Security from a dead spouse if they remarry. So lots of elderly people jsut have to live togeter or get penalized.	Mar 19 01:19
_goblin	of sound mind and body, able to make rational decisions	Mar 19 01:19
MinceR	_goblin: so if this hypothetical person disagrees with a political statement then it should be censored?	Mar 19 01:19
Balrog	I didn't mean tax incentives	Mar 19 01:19
Balrog	I meant that the state can take advantage of it	Mar 19 01:19
MinceR	_goblin: there's One Correct Opinion and everyone else must be silenced?	Mar 19 01:19
DaemonFC	how so?	Mar 19 01:19
_goblin	no...I just think we all live in 2010 where we all agree Racism, Homophobia et all are wrong and should be challenged.	Mar 19 01:20
DaemonFC	You can still file single	Mar 19 01:20
bruce89	by reason, not by silencing	Mar 19 01:20
MinceR	_goblin: also, what if we have multiple Persons Of Reasonable Firmness and they disagree with each other? ban the expression of all political ideas?	Mar 19 01:20
bruce89	supression doesn't help at all	Mar 19 01:20
_goblin	I personally think in respect of homophobia, sentences should be far more harsh.	Mar 19 01:20
MinceR	_goblin: they can't be "challenged" if they aren't allowed to be expressed and spoken of.	Mar 19 01:20
_goblin	Mincer: and thats democracy. But like I say, there are subjects I am sure we all agree on because we are all decent people.	Mar 19 01:21
_goblin	anyone think its ok to be racist?	Mar 19 01:21
_goblin	anyone think its ok to be homophobic.	Mar 19 01:21
bruce89	of course not	Mar 19 01:21
_goblin	theres your answer.	Mar 19 01:21
bruce89	that's a pathetic excuse	Mar 19 01:21
MinceR	_goblin: and how do you define "decent people"? remember that this definition will control freedom of speech, so it must be exact and objective.	Mar 19 01:21
_goblin	we all agree	Mar 19 01:21
DaemonFC	Balrog, If your joint income will put you in a higher tax bracket but individually, you're in a lower one, you both file single	Mar 19 01:21
bruce89	no we don't	Mar 19 01:21
Balrog	okay, let me put it this way: should racists be put in jail, if they're nonviolent?	Mar 19 01:21
_goblin	Mincer: I have just demonstrated "decent people" by asking those questions.	Mar 19 01:22
Balrog	(and don't discriminate in work and such)	Mar 19 01:22
DaemonFC	Balrog, Like you make $80,000 and they make $20,000, you should both file single	Mar 19 01:22
MinceR	_goblin: no you haven't	Mar 19 01:22
DaemonFC	that way you don't cross into another bracket	Mar 19 01:22
Balrog	why do you need extra laws to make something illegal that already is illegal?	Mar 19 01:22
Balrog	DaemonFC: don't they make you file married filing separately?	Mar 19 01:22
MinceR	_goblin: also, if you suppress political opinions that are "obviously wrong" to all "decent people" then people will naturally suggest that perhaps there's some truth to those ideas because they must be suppressed so carefully.	Mar 19 01:22
_goblin	Mincer: well if we all agree racism is wrong. If we all agree thats a decent view, then thats answered your question.	Mar 19 01:22
DaemonFC	huh? I meant if you're married	Mar 19 01:22
DaemonFC	not that I am married	Mar 19 01:22
Balrog	well you said filing single	Mar 19 01:23
DaemonFC	(legally couldn't)	Mar 19 01:23
bruce89	_goblin: that doesn't answer any questions	Mar 19 01:23
Balrog	I don't think you could file single if you were legally married	Mar 19 01:23
bruce89	it just accuses us of being racist	Mar 19 01:23
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_goblin	ok let me word it like this....	Mar 19 01:23
DaemonFC	Balrog, you can file separately	Mar 19 01:23
DaemonFC	that's what I meant	Mar 19 01:23
_goblin	how much of law is based on opinion?	Mar 19 01:23
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MinceR	way too much	Mar 19 01:23
Balrog	okay, there's a difference DaemonFC :)	Mar 19 01:23
_goblin	Burglary.....for example has two sections for when the intent is formed....	Mar 19 01:24
_goblin	but how do we prove when intent is formed?	Mar 19 01:24
_goblin	balance of probabilities...opinions of peers.	Mar 19 01:24
_goblin	etc	Mar 19 01:24
_goblin	etc	Mar 19 01:24
_goblin	*correction....	Mar 19 01:24
DaemonFC	Balrog, The state/federal system complicates it worse. Say I was in Iowa and married. I would have to file married on state taxes, but single on federal	Mar 19 01:24
Balrog	_goblin: burglary deprives someone of something	Mar 19 01:24
Balrog	DaemonFC: weird	Mar 19 01:24
DaemonFC	cause of DOMA	Mar 19 01:24
MinceR	_goblin: whom does it hurt if someone is allowed to express racist views so that they can then be proven wrong scientifically?	Mar 19 01:24
_goblin	I forgot myself, balance of probabilities is civil, beyond all reasonable doubt is criminal.	Mar 19 01:25
MinceR	_goblin: don't you think that this approach is superior to censoring those views and making certain opinions mandatory?	Mar 19 01:25
_goblin	Mincer: the person whose race you are offending.	Mar 19 01:25
DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act	Mar 19 01:25
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_goblin	mincer: and I agree completely with censorship.	Mar 19 01:25
MinceR	_goblin: "offending" is an extremely broad idea	Mar 19 01:25
_goblin	but please let me explain myself after my smoke.	Mar 19 01:25
MinceR	_goblin: people could claim all sorts of things are offending their religious views, for example	Mar 19 01:25
Balrog	_goblin: censorship is dangerous	Mar 19 01:26
DaemonFC	"defense" of marriage, because the gays are at "war" with it apparently	Mar 19 01:26
DaemonFC	lol	Mar 19 01:26
Balrog	once something is being censored, it's only a matter of time until dissenting opinions will be censored	Mar 19 01:26
MinceR	we need a War On Wars :>	Mar 19 01:26
bruce89	I've got one definitive argument - * * ** *** ***** ******* ******	Mar 19 01:27
MinceR	redacted?	Mar 19 01:27
bruce89	____ -________ ________ __ ______	Mar 19 01:27
DaemonFC	MinceR, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect_for_Marriage_Act	Mar 19 01:29
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DaemonFC	Now they want to "respect" it	Mar 19 01:29
DaemonFC	don't defend and respect kind of go alongside?	Mar 19 01:30
DaemonFC	does respect repeal defend?	Mar 19 01:30
schestowitz	zoobab: I can't convert this format	Mar 19 01:30
bruce89	censoring people like the BNP would be a bad move, they'd get far more publicity kicking up a fuss about being gagged	Mar 19 01:31
DaemonFC	Respect for Marriage Act sounds like a Republican bailout for the marriage industry. "All Americans are required to respect the institution of marriage."	Mar 19 01:31
_goblin	right sorry about that...I was expressing my freedom to indulge in nicotine, which is not only addictive, but will probably kill me.	Mar 19 01:32
_goblin	censorship...	Mar 19 01:33
_goblin	right...	Mar 19 01:33
MinceR	:D	Mar 19 01:33
_goblin	let me ask you ask question first....	Mar 19 01:33
schestowitz	_goblin: it's more complicated	Mar 19 01:33
schestowitz	Many objectionable opinions need to be heard	Mar 19 01:33
bruce89	I'd like to point out that I'm not defending these people's opinions	Mar 19 01:33
schestowitz	They can they be shown and rebutted/ridiculed	Mar 19 01:33
_goblin	do you think it appropriate that hardcore pornography be screened on a mainstream TV channel at 11am on a saturday?	Mar 19 01:34
WireWulf	I was smokeing also :P but kids really ont do it <tabbacco plug here>	Mar 19 01:34
MinceR	i don't think there's any reason to censor the expression of views and opinions	Mar 19 01:34
schestowitz	One person's disagreement is another's abomination	Mar 19 01:34
bruce89	_goblin: that was by accident, not design	Mar 19 01:34
MinceR	_goblin: i don't think it's appropriate.	Mar 19 01:34
schestowitz	I don't condone ban of science-bashing	Mar 19 01:34
DaemonFC	schestowitz, You know George Washington was a terrorist right?	Mar 19 01:34
DaemonFC	an insurgent leader?	Mar 19 01:34
_goblin	mincer: there you go....theres censorship advocated.	Mar 19 01:34
DaemonFC	:D	Mar 19 01:34
schestowitz	Just as I won't condone making it illegal to ridicule religions	Mar 19 01:34
schestowitz	They are the same	Mar 19 01:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] pulseaudio-module-jack is much more stable on #ubuntu lucid, running skype and mumble thru it, from my laptop to my stationary PC.		Mar 19 01:34
schestowitz	On the moral ground	Mar 19 01:34
MinceR	_goblin: i mean i don't think that limiting the showing of pr0n on mainstream TV is appropriate.	Mar 19 01:34
zoobab	vlc or mencoder	Mar 19 01:34
MinceR	_goblin: channels themselves should specify their policies	Mar 19 01:35
zoobab	ffmpeg fails	Mar 19 01:35
schestowitz	DaemonFC: many were	Mar 19 01:35
MinceR	_goblin: then people can decide whether or not to limit their access of those channels.	Mar 19 01:35
schestowitz	A lot of countries were created by rebels	Mar 19 01:35
_goblin	mincer: so you would be happy that potentially young people could be exposed to material of that nature?	Mar 19 01:35
schestowitz	[Of one kind or another]	Mar 19 01:35
schestowitz	zoobab: ffmpeg	Mar 19 01:35
schestowitz	I tried two proigrams	Mar 19 01:35
_goblin	lets try this one....	Mar 19 01:35
bruce89	no, I've decided to never say anything ever again lest I offend someone	Mar 19 01:35
DaemonFC	schestowitz, "Washington was not a member of any political party and hoped that they would not be formed, fearing conflict and stagnation."	Mar 19 01:36
MinceR	_goblin: i'm not sure if i would be happy, i think it's up to either the parents/guardians of those young people (if they're under 18) or up to those young people themselves (if they're at least 18 years old)	Mar 19 01:36
DaemonFC	Well, nailed that didn't he?	Mar 19 01:36
_goblin	how about your voting choices? Do you think everyone should be allowed to see how you voted?	Mar 19 01:36
MinceR	_goblin: as usual, any filtering should be on the client side.	Mar 19 01:36
MinceR	_goblin: pornography and voting choices are not opinion.	Mar 19 01:36
_goblin	and thats censorship....its merely a question of WHO is deciding.	Mar 19 01:36
MinceR	_goblin: voting choices is personal information and its disclosure should be in the control of the voter.	Mar 19 01:36
_goblin	ah...	Mar 19 01:37
MinceR	_goblin: no, that isn't censorship, that's control over private information.	Mar 19 01:37
_goblin	so then what of the argument of freedom of data?	Mar 19 01:37
MinceR	_goblin: freedom of speech, not freedom of data.	Mar 19 01:37
_goblin	right....	Mar 19 01:37
_goblin	so you don't believe in unauthorised file sharing then?	Mar 19 01:37
MinceR	_goblin: more specifically, the freedom to express views and opinion.	Mar 19 01:37
MinceR	_goblin: what do you mean?	Mar 19 01:37
_goblin	piracy	Mar 19 01:37
MinceR	i do believe it happens	Mar 19 01:38
_goblin	for want of a better word.	Mar 19 01:38
MinceR	i do think that some of the laws that prohibit it are wrong and should be annulled.	Mar 19 01:38
bruce89	that is surely besides the point	Mar 19 01:38
MinceR	and i do know that in many states it's persecuted in unlawful ways	Mar 19 01:38
_goblin	so its "some freedoms we should have, others we shouldn't"	Mar 19 01:38
MinceR	for example sweden violated its own laws to shut down TPB	Mar 19 01:38
_goblin	freedom of expression is a multi faceted topic.	Mar 19 01:38
_goblin	freedom of speech is also the same.	Mar 19 01:39
MinceR	_goblin: no, it's "freedoms sometimes conflict and the more important one should win"	Mar 19 01:39
bruce89	freedom to not be murdered for instance	Mar 19 01:39
bruce89	not that that's exactly a law or anything	Mar 19 01:39
MinceR	_goblin: and there are no freedoms that are more important than the freedom of speech that are violated by the free expression of political views.	Mar 19 01:39
_goblin	censorship is all about who makes what decision, sometimes people get it right, other times wrong, but the greater good is usually served by decisions made by decent people with honest held belief.	Mar 19 01:39
MinceR	whom does expression of political views "murder"?	Mar 19 01:39
MinceR	people don't usually die from access to information.	Mar 19 01:40
_goblin	censorship also tries to prevent indecent images on the net....surely thats good?	Mar 19 01:40
bruce89	it doesn't actually help the victims	Mar 19 01:40
MinceR	censorship is keeping people from expressing their views or even works of art -- in service of a political agenda.	Mar 19 01:40
MinceR	_goblin: no, that isn't good	Mar 19 01:41
_goblin	censorship protects the identities of victims of sexual crimes.	Mar 19 01:41
Balrog	I may be back	Mar 19 01:41
_goblin	is that not good?	Mar 19 01:41
Balrog	_goblin: that's privacy, not censorship	Mar 19 01:41
bruce89	well, that's criminal	Mar 19 01:41
Balrog	censorship is something else	Mar 19 01:41
MinceR	people should have the right to exchange images on the network even if some other people think that those images are gross or indecent, etc.	Mar 19 01:41
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_goblin	balrog: no, go to court as a victim of a non-sexual crime and tell me you have privacy....one of our freedoms is access to courts.	Mar 19 01:41
MinceR	ideas of decency should not be enforced by people on other people	Mar 19 01:41
MinceR	what i consider decent is my own business	Mar 19 01:42
MinceR	not the government's and not yours.	Mar 19 01:42
_goblin	Mincer: very true, but I think we can agree theres a base level which we all agree on whats right and wrong.	Mar 19 01:42
MinceR	i'm not sure.	Mar 19 01:42
MinceR	you seem to respect freedom of speech a lot less than i do. :>	Mar 19 01:42
bruce89	heh	Mar 19 01:42
_goblin	Mincer: but even in this chat room it doesnt exist.	Mar 19 01:43
MinceR	this chat room is not a closed system	Mar 19 01:43
_goblin	mincer: since roy has kicked trollers......surely if there was true freedom of speech he wouldn.t	Mar 19 01:43
MinceR	it's one channel on which people can communicate and express their views	Mar 19 01:43
MinceR	channels can be created on this network for that purpose at will	Mar 19 01:43
MinceR	other irc networks exist and anyone can start their own.	Mar 19 01:44
_goblin	thats no criticism of Roy, he did the right thing, but even DaemonFC has been kicked for comments here.	Mar 19 01:44
MinceR	not having the means to force a given newspaper to print your views doesn't mean you don't have the freedom to express those views.	Mar 19 01:44
_goblin	so freedom of speech here is determined by whoever is the OP...We live under the rules they set, just like in the real world.	Mar 19 01:44
MinceR	nope	Mar 19 01:44
bruce89	it appears as if you're trying to say that you can have freedoms, but only if you like what's said	Mar 19 01:44
MinceR	what gets expressed on this particular channel is determined by operators	Mar 19 01:44
bruce89	life when you hear only things you like would be very dull	Mar 19 01:45
_goblin	Mincer: not really, read the topic.	Mar 19 01:45
MinceR	i don't see anything in the topic that contradicts what i've said.	Mar 19 01:45
_goblin	"Communication about anything"	Mar 19 01:45
MinceR	also, the topic doesn't contain channel policy, so that could be anything.	Mar 19 01:46
_goblin	yet a troller was banned.	Mar 19 01:46
_goblin	and so has DaemonFC	Mar 19 01:46
_goblin	and others.	Mar 19 01:46
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MinceR	the topic doesn't say that you won't be banned if you only talk about what's in the topic.	Mar 19 01:46
_goblin	so thats censorship then, isn't it? or at the very least an absence of true freedom of speech.	Mar 19 01:46
MinceR	IRC has an etiquette which applies here as much as the operators want to apply it	Mar 19 01:46
_goblin	Censorship?	Mar 19 01:47
MinceR	if someone brought in 200 floodbots and obstructed speech here, would you vouch for banning them?	Mar 19 01:47
MinceR	or would you argue that they have the right to keep you from being heard?	Mar 19 01:47
_goblin	whatever it is, its not freedom of speech otherwise we could say whatever we liked without fear of being banned.	Mar 19 01:47
bruce89	I think you're confusing censorship with apply the code of law	Mar 19 01:47
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MinceR	can i create another channel to talk about any view? yes i can	Mar 19 01:47
MinceR	so am i censored? no i'm not	Mar 19 01:48
_goblin	Mincer: No I completely agree, but then Im not the one trying advocate total freedom of speech.	Mar 19 01:48
MinceR	_goblin: you don't seem to understand what that is.	Mar 19 01:48
_goblin	I do so more than you imagine.	Mar 19 01:48
_goblin	freedom of expreesion/speech says I can do whatever I wish does it not?	Mar 19 01:48
MinceR	not really	Mar 19 01:49
_goblin	ah...	Mar 19 01:49
MinceR	it isn't 'freedom of doing anything'	Mar 19 01:49
_goblin	so then what CANT I do	Mar 19 01:49
MinceR	there are a lot of things that 'freedom of expression/speech' doesn't say anything about.	Mar 19 01:49
_goblin	*?	Mar 19 01:49
_goblin	ok...	Mar 19 01:49
Ender2070	[18:49] <schestowitz> Ender2070: how did they get your name?	Mar 19 01:49
Ender2070	i have a passport account for msn messenger protocol	Mar 19 01:49
_goblin	so what is it I can't do...please tell me something that I cant/shouldnt do?	Mar 19 01:49
Ender2070	thats what i figure	Mar 19 01:49
MinceR	_goblin: in what context?	Mar 19 01:50
_goblin	in respect of here...for example.	Mar 19 01:50
bruce89	carry on with this futile argument	Mar 19 01:50
MinceR	_goblin: if you flooded the channel, for instance, you'd probably be banned	Mar 19 01:50
_goblin	bruce89: Its not futile, I find it interesting and polite.	Mar 19 01:50
MinceR	_goblin: but flooding isn't really the expression of a view.	Mar 19 01:50
_goblin	Mincer: So theres your censorship. Proving that you do need it in order to keep stability in any society be it BN IRC or anywhere else.	Mar 19 01:51
MinceR	_goblin: also keep in mind that this channel is a method for its members to filter and choose what information they access.	Mar 19 01:51
MinceR	_goblin: that's not censorship, and i've already told you why it isn't.	Mar 19 01:51
bruce89	this doesn't clear up as to why censorship is apprently good	Mar 19 01:51
_goblin	right, so Roy makes the decision to ban someone for a comment he deems trolling or inappropriate.	Mar 19 01:51
_goblin	and thats not censorship?	Mar 19 01:52
bruce89	no, it's getting rid of a plonker	Mar 19 01:52
_goblin	I remember distinctly complaining to roy that he banned someone I was having a debate with.	Mar 19 01:52
MinceR	_goblin: what if i tell you not to listen to Bob and you, trusting my opinion, ignore Bob?	Mar 19 01:52
MinceR	_goblin: is that censorship?	Mar 19 01:52
MinceR	could you (if you really wanted) continue that debate in private or on another channel?	Mar 19 01:53
_goblin	No, because you engaged in no action to proactively remove him from my conversation....you can give me your opinion, but thats all it is. Taking steps to actively remove, thats banning.	Mar 19 01:53
MinceR	including a channel that you or the banned person controls?	Mar 19 01:53
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_goblin	Mincer: Its if you take physical steps to prevent me from talking to "bob" would be different to merely saying Bobs a plonker.	Mar 19 01:54
MinceR	being on an irc channel (among other things) implies that you're interested in discussion that its regular membership is interested in, including its operators	Mar 19 01:54
*bruce89 wonders when the nazis will be mentioned		Mar 19 01:54
MinceR	_goblin: banning someone from this channel is not a step to prevent you from talking to him, either	Mar 19 01:54
_goblin	* Bruce89 will be wondering a long time...wont mention that word here.	Mar 19 01:54
_goblin	Mincer: well it was for me, since they disconnected after the ban	Mar 19 01:54
MinceR	_goblin: since as i've mentioned already, private chat and making/joining any number of channels to continue the discussion on is still possible.	Mar 19 01:55
MinceR	_goblin: it was their decision to disconnect, not Roy's.	Mar 19 01:55
MinceR	if he was interested in the debate, he wouldn't have disconnected	Mar 19 01:55
_goblin	yes but what do you think was the most likely aggravating factor in the disconection.	Mar 19 01:55
MinceR	he would have contacted you in private or on another channel you're on.	Mar 19 01:55
bruce89	sorry, it was something that was in Qi	Mar 19 01:56
_goblin	he might not have found it interesting.....I did.	Mar 19 01:56
MinceR	that said "plonker" wasn't interested in the discussion unless it was made public via this channel?	Mar 19 01:56
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_goblin	he may well have just been winding people up....	Mar 19 01:56
MinceR	trolling?	Mar 19 01:56
_goblin	the fact was, I was enjoying engaging with him and I was interested.	Mar 19 01:56
_goblin	Mincer: In whoever banned hims opinion yes.	Mar 19 01:56
MinceR	someone's freedom of speech doesn't mean i'm in any way obliged to listen to him.	Mar 19 01:56
_goblin	very true...theres the ignore command for that.	Mar 19 01:57
MinceR	and kick and ban	Mar 19 01:57
MinceR	and in some cases even kill, kline, gline, etc.	Mar 19 01:57
Will__	Sorry to interupt (if that applies in IRC), but has anyone heard of this computer supplier: http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/	Mar 19 01:57
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_goblin	but then thats you putting your opinion over mine.....surely a bad thing?	Mar 19 01:57
MinceR	as long as the members of a channel trust its operators, it isn't a bad thing	Mar 19 01:58
_goblin	will: yes I have.	Mar 19 01:58
_goblin	Mincer: Isn't that what government says?	Mar 19 01:58
Will__	_goblin: ok. Just found out about it. Looks like they sell computers without Windows in the UK.	Mar 19 01:58
_goblin	trust us.	Mar 19 01:58
MinceR	the point is to keep the discussion on the channel conforming to some sort of policy which was somehow determined by the members or operators.	Mar 19 01:58
_goblin	will: yeah....decent little firm	Mar 19 01:58
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOFHB2pbuMI	Mar 19 01:58
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_goblin	Mincer: and isn't that what society does?	Mar 19 01:59
MinceR	_goblin: the government doesn't let me "part" and "join" another government instead	Mar 19 01:59
MinceR	much less "join" a greater set of governments	Mar 19 01:59
_goblin	Mincer: and goes back to my "base level" point	Mar 19 01:59
MinceR	i'm on 58 channels, but i can't pick and choose 58 states to be a citizen of, simultaneously	Mar 19 01:59
bruce89	interesting idea	Mar 19 01:59
MinceR	(sovereign states, that is)	Mar 19 01:59
Will__	I'd like to see that passport	Mar 19 01:59
MinceR	i can't start nor terminate citizenships with barely a thought	Mar 19 02:00
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MinceR	also, having voice on a channel regulates one thing only: the ability to send messages to that channel	Mar 19 02:00
MinceR	not life functions, not property, not taxes, not money, etc.	Mar 19 02:01
MinceR	and nothing regarding other channels	Mar 19 02:01
MinceR	a typical idea of the moderation of an irc channel would be that it's set up to talk about a particular topic and the operators are entrusted with making sure that topic is being followed	Mar 19 02:02
MinceR	so if someone is banned because they're talking offtopic that is to be expected	Mar 19 02:02
MinceR	if it didn't happen, then the members would be flooded with information they potentially didn't want	Mar 19 02:02
bruce89	Will__: thanks for mentioning them, might be useful some day	Mar 19 02:02
_goblin	"entrusted with making sure that topic is being followed" - So thats advocating true free speech is it?	Mar 19 02:02
MinceR	that's advocating a particular mechanism to filter messages	Mar 19 02:03
MinceR	or to aggregate them	Mar 19 02:03
MinceR	both, really	Mar 19 02:03
_goblin	filtering and affregating.....ok...but not censoring? not oppressing? and this all falls nicely under the umberella of free speech does it?	Mar 19 02:04
MinceR	or are you going to argue that social tagging/rating systems are censorship too? :>	Mar 19 02:04
_goblin	yes....infact MS has used them as such.	Mar 19 02:04
bruce89	if there were no controls at all, then everything would be anarchy	Mar 19 02:04
MinceR	like i said, the same mechanism is available for all to express their views to anyone who's willing to listen to them.	Mar 19 02:04
_goblin	I seem to remember people burying pro Linux articles with them	Mar 19 02:04
bruce89	anarchy means that no-one's heard basically	Mar 19 02:04
MinceR	actually controls are possible in anarchy	Mar 19 02:04
_goblin	mincer: If they are used properly no....but who can honestly say in the case of a Pro-Linux post that MS faithful would not abuse them?	Mar 19 02:05
MinceR	anarchy means that no set of rules or organization is forced on people	Mar 19 02:05
MinceR	the lack of coercion, basically	Mar 19 02:05
bruce89	yes, a bit like OSM	Mar 19 02:05
_goblin	yes agreed....and rules, censorship et al are required and thats my point.	Mar 19 02:06
_goblin	unless you want anarchy	Mar 19 02:06
MinceR	having moderated IRC channels doesn't threaten an anarchic society in any way, as long as they're available the way they are now	Mar 19 02:06
MinceR	i don't see where anyone said that censorship is required	Mar 19 02:06
MinceR	other than you, that is	Mar 19 02:06
_goblin	very true...but we are talking about a concept, not the adoption of a real society within IRC.	Mar 19 02:06
Will__	bruce89: I always like keeping in mind and promoting when feasible vendors that sell Linux or No-OS machines. Zareason and System76 for US, and apparently Novatech for UK. But unfortunately most of these kinds of companies only ship their products within one country or a limited region.	Mar 19 02:07
_goblin	Mincer: I don't base my opinions on if other people agree with me or not.	Mar 19 02:07
MinceR	having ops enforcing certain rules on an irc channel is strictly limited in effect to that channel	Mar 19 02:07
_goblin	mincer: Im not a yes man for anyone	Mar 19 02:07
MinceR	and starting an irc channel is practically without cost	Mar 19 02:07
bruce89	apart from censors of course	Mar 19 02:08
MinceR	censorship works differently from this	Mar 19 02:08
_goblin	no, I agree with that.	Mar 19 02:08
_goblin	its not forced on me.	Mar 19 02:08
_goblin	*that was @bruce89	Mar 19 02:08
MinceR	internet censorship is forced on the citizens of particular countries, though	Mar 19 02:08
bruce89	yes it is, that's the whole point of censorship	Mar 19 02:08
DaemonFC	What's funny is that Windows doesn't go as far as Ubuntu to force its defaults on you	Mar 19 02:08
MinceR	they don't get to choose to access certain kinds of information	Mar 19 02:09
_goblin	Mincer: and as I said earlier, sometimes wrong decisions are made...	Mar 19 02:09
DaemonFC	if Microsoft had done the things Ubuntu is doing in 10.04, they've beback in court	Mar 19 02:09
Will__	DaemonFC: how so?	Mar 19 02:09
DaemonFC	*they'd	Mar 19 02:09
MinceR	this is why i say that client-side filtering should be sufficient for decency	Mar 19 02:09
DaemonFC	Will__, Making it "uncomfortable" to use apps they don't ship with	Mar 19 02:09
bruce89	if you don't like something, don't watch/read it	Mar 19 02:09
DaemonFC	"Breaking" functionality in other apps	Mar 19 02:09
MinceR	if i don't want to see indecent images (by some standard) then i can set things up so that i won't see them	Mar 19 02:10
Will__	DaemonFC: this must be news about 10.04 I haven't heard yet. Can you give me some links?	Mar 19 02:10
MinceR	this option makes censorship indefensible.	Mar 19 02:10
DaemonFC	Will__, The Indicator-me thing breaking pidgin for example	Mar 19 02:10
MinceR	as for disclosing private information, that can be discouraged by punishing it _at the source_	Mar 19 02:10
Will__	Haven't really been paying much attention to 10.04 until closer to time	Mar 19 02:10
MinceR	as opposed to censoring traffic on a network.	Mar 19 02:11
DaemonFC	taking Rhythmbox's money	Mar 19 02:11
_goblin	Mincer: not really, can you imagine the burden of self censorship in every facet of days life?	Mar 19 02:11
_goblin	advertising boards.	Mar 19 02:11
MinceR	what's self censorship?	Mar 19 02:11
_goblin	Ok...bad choice of words....self regulations	Mar 19 02:11
MinceR	refraining from expressing some views?	Mar 19 02:11
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_goblin	you were saying that you would rather have clientside filtering....	Mar 19 02:11
MinceR	regulation on the side of information emission, transmission or reception?	Mar 19 02:11
_goblin	which is fine...	Mar 19 02:11
MinceR	well, i personally have no use for client-side filtering	Mar 19 02:11
MinceR	but i understand that some people do want it	Mar 19 02:12
MinceR	and it's available for them	Mar 19 02:12
_goblin	but how one apply such filtering to every facet of life?	Mar 19 02:12
bruce89	the main point of censorship is that it removes stuff that is harmful for those doing the censoring	Mar 19 02:12
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MinceR	it can only be applied to communication, perhaps even only to mass/broadcast communication	Mar 19 02:12
bruce89	for instance, government censoring the expenses recently	Mar 19 02:12
_goblin	bruce89: not really....you think where to buy plant fertilizer which gives you a "legal" high should be available for all to see?	Mar 19 02:13
bruce89	that is not censorship	Mar 19 02:13
_goblin	no?	Mar 19 02:13
MinceR	that's control of private information	Mar 19 02:13
_goblin	its not private...	Mar 19 02:13
_goblin	its merely chemistry	Mar 19 02:13
MinceR	the fact that i've purchased a certain product?	Mar 19 02:13
_goblin	but that information (rightfully so) has been deemed dangerous.	Mar 19 02:13
MinceR	in what way is that not private?	Mar 19 02:13
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bruce89	by any standards, those are being banned here anyway	Mar 19 02:14
_goblin	do you know anything about these chemicals?	Mar 19 02:14
bruce89	yes, evil government is censoring it	Mar 19 02:14
_goblin	do you even know how many there are?	Mar 19 02:14
bruce89	just like how they censor murder and what have you	Mar 19 02:14
_goblin	or how many permutations of legal highs there can be?	Mar 19 02:14
MinceR	by that policy, they could pretty much ban anything	Mar 19 02:14
MinceR	it's ludicrous.	Mar 19 02:14
_goblin	very true...	Mar 19 02:14
*MinceR proposes to ban DHMO		Mar 19 02:14
_goblin	but its combinations	Mar 19 02:14
_goblin	Im not a chemist, but I'd say there are 100's of deadly legal highs available to be made.	Mar 19 02:15
MinceR	there probably are legal highs that don't even involve the consumption of chemicals	Mar 19 02:15
_goblin	true...	Mar 19 02:15
_goblin	alcohol	Mar 19 02:15
_goblin	sorry..	Mar 19 02:16
MinceR	alcohols are chemicals ;)	Mar 19 02:16
_goblin	doh	Mar 19 02:16
_goblin	digestion?	Mar 19 02:16
MinceR	but there are some physiological stimulations that could work	Mar 19 02:16
MinceR	or even electrical stimulation of nerves	Mar 19 02:16
_goblin	that doesnt sound good.	Mar 19 02:16
MinceR	i think even music can be used to change the state of one's mind	Mar 19 02:16
_goblin	web surfing?	Mar 19 02:17
MinceR	i'm no expert on these things :)	Mar 19 02:17
_goblin	thats one...	Mar 19 02:17
_goblin	I think I read about people suffering depression when deprived.	Mar 19 02:17
_goblin	can I just correct one point I made...	Mar 19 02:18
_goblin	When I said:	Mar 19 02:18
_goblin	"Im not a yes man for anyone"	Mar 19 02:18
_goblin	I'd like to change that to:	Mar 19 02:18
_goblin	"Im not a yes man for anyone, but the Wife"	Mar 19 02:18
MinceR	lol	Mar 19 02:18
_goblin	I certainly do as she says.	Mar 19 02:18
_goblin	without question.	Mar 19 02:18
bruce89	censorship!	Mar 19 02:18
_goblin	more like dictatorship	Mar 19 02:18
bruce89	they go hand-in-hand	Mar 19 02:19
MinceR	depends on your reasons for doing as she says	Mar 19 02:19
bruce89	or whatever that idiom is	Mar 19 02:19
MinceR	the method of coercion, if any	Mar 19 02:19
_goblin	Mincer: Fear	Mar 19 02:19
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MinceR	Fear will keep the local systems in line.	Mar 19 02:19
_goblin	lol...	Mar 19 02:19
MinceR	Fear of this battle station.	Mar 19 02:19
MinceR	does she have a battle station?	Mar 19 02:20
_goblin	I could make a remark, but she's about and might read...	Mar 19 02:20
MinceR	:D	Mar 19 02:20
_goblin	"You are part of the rebel alliance and a traitor....take him away"	Mar 19 02:21
_goblin	when I was young I could recite the first 30 mins of that movie.	Mar 19 02:21
MinceR	:)	Mar 19 02:21
_goblin	"Did you hear that? they've shut down the main reactor, we'll be destroyed for sure......."	Mar 19 02:22
_goblin	I;ll shut up now.	Mar 19 02:22
MinceR	so will i	Mar 19 02:22
MinceR	it's too damn late	Mar 19 02:22
MinceR	gn	Mar 19 02:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] HTC responds to Apple, Apple is the bad guy: http://i5.be/aC4		Mar 19 02:22
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MinceR	(at any rate, it was a good discussion)	Mar 19 02:22
MinceR	"HTC strongly advocates intellectual property protection" :(	Mar 19 02:23
amarsh04	like copyrighted gpl code?	Mar 19 02:24
MinceR	i think that eventually even the protections of the GPL may become obsolete	Mar 19 02:24
MinceR	but we have a m$ and a crApple to beat first, among other things.	Mar 19 02:24
MinceR	(in any case, copyright reform would certainly effect software licenses, since they're built on copyright law)	Mar 19 02:25
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bruce89	humph	Mar 19 02:26
_goblin	sorry there...gn Mincer,thats the second good debate we've had.	Mar 19 02:26
_goblin	so bruce89: it's have a go a Goblin night tonight....anything you want to comment on? ;)	Mar 19 02:26
_goblin	*at	Mar 19 02:27
bruce89	why can't Scotland score tries?	Mar 19 02:27
_goblin	lol	Mar 19 02:27
_goblin	no comment	Mar 19 02:27
_goblin	I know nothing about Rugby.	Mar 19 02:27
bruce89	neither do Scotland	Mar 19 02:27
_goblin	Don't even know why Union is different...or whats different	Mar 19 02:27
bruce89	oh crikey, I could go into a long discussion, but I best not	Mar 19 02:28
_goblin	How about the Digital Economy Bill?	Mar 19 02:28
_goblin	do you think I agree or disagree?	Mar 19 02:28
bruce89	I have an idea	Mar 19 02:28
_goblin	go on...	Mar 19 02:29
bruce89	both!	Mar 19 02:29
_goblin	lol.	Mar 19 02:29
_goblin	I suppose, sort of.	Mar 19 02:29
_goblin	Good intention, bad implementation.	Mar 19 02:29
bruce89	yes, that's kind of what I think, not that I know much about it	Mar 19 02:30
_goblin	Ive been reading a few posts over at Darkside_RG	Mar 19 02:30
_goblin	the "l33t"...lol	Mar 19 02:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] OIN, or the codification of vapour inventions, companies can capture and codify open source "inventions" http://i5.be/aC5		Mar 19 02:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] MaVen – Crew member brought before the courts – Is this really the l33t? http://tinyurl.com/yen2sdq #tpb #bitorrent #p2p		Mar 19 02:32
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_goblin	forgot to post that on twitter until now.	Mar 19 02:33
_goblin	ive already got 10 pieces of hate mail about it.	Mar 19 02:33
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_goblin	Got my classic line of my site:	Mar 19 02:35
_goblin	"Of course the de-skilling of the hobbyist computer user goes much deeper than this, but I think the easily impressed millions of the file sharing community are a testament to how low the standard has now sunk."	Mar 19 02:36
schestowitz	Commandments shill can't name even 2 of them. Funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7KMC4BfjLc	Mar 19 02:36
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_goblin	"No wonder Microsoft laughs all the way to the bank and why people put up with Vista and Vista 7." - The file sharers did not like that bit at all.	Mar 19 02:36
bruce89	that's a very interesting point	Mar 19 02:36
_goblin	I just can't see why a "button pusher" like Axxo gets celeb status.	Mar 19 02:37
_goblin	but then the days of Red Sector, Cryonics, Skidrow....seem all but forgotten.	Mar 19 02:37
bruce89	because as you say standards have fallen	Mar 19 02:37
bruce89	I better warn you I'm only 20	Mar 19 02:38
_goblin	np...	Mar 19 02:38
_goblin	but youre here and I'd say your knowledge is far in advance of anyone who is in awe of Axxo	Mar 19 02:38
bruce89	thanks, I do my best	Mar 19 02:38
ianto	rawrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr	Mar 19 02:39
bruce89	ah	Mar 19 02:39
_goblin	Raw?	Mar 19 02:39
_goblin	as in WWE?	Mar 19 02:39
_goblin	ianto: you obviously havent learnt yet to not give me any reason to start talking about wrestling. ;)	Mar 19 02:40
bruce89	or as in high-quality camera stuff?	Mar 19 02:40
_goblin	like the word MVP.	Mar 19 02:40
_goblin	could be Microsoft related...	Mar 19 02:40
_goblin	or could start me on a rant about the US championship belt, the wrestler MVP and the Miz.	Mar 19 02:41
_goblin	oh and this sunday Destination X is on.	Mar 19 02:41
bruce89	so, there was this lineout...	Mar 19 02:41
_goblin	170k reads to my blogazine now....	Mar 19 02:43
_goblin	some sad people out there.	Mar 19 02:43
*bruce89 coughs		Mar 19 02:43
_goblin	I wish I had some help with it....	Mar 19 02:45
_goblin	Ive asked numerous times for contributors....Chips has in the past, but I'd like to share the "love"	Mar 19 02:45
_goblin	Goblin waits for a response to a subtle cry for help with his blog.	Mar 19 02:46
_goblin	...	Mar 19 02:46
bruce89	damn it, dodgy lineout caused Leinster to win	Mar 19 02:46
_goblin	took the words right out of my mouth......	Mar 19 02:47
_goblin	thinking the same thing.....whatever it is you mean.	Mar 19 02:47
*bruce89 thought as much		Mar 19 02:47
bruce89	could there be a lineout a day column?	Mar 19 02:48
_goblin	Id say yes.	Mar 19 02:48
_goblin	whatever that is, there could be.	Mar 19 02:49
*bruce89 has no idea as to what bruce89 is on about		Mar 19 02:49
_goblin	I used to have a section "Lord of the Shills"	Mar 19 02:49
_goblin	got a bit stale since there were so many silly, shilly comments floating about on the web....	Mar 19 02:50
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Diablo-D3	I wonder if its possible to shill for linux	Mar 19 02:50
_goblin	kevin009 was a good speaker wasn't he? Couldn't get him to shut up.....	Mar 19 02:51
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_goblin	Diablo-d3: Im sure the MS faithful have thrown that one before.	Mar 19 02:51
_goblin	my favorite insult (to me) was:	Mar 19 02:51
_goblin	"You are a blight on FOSS"	Mar 19 02:51
Diablo-D3	_goblin: erm	Mar 19 02:52
_goblin	or the old "Linux Unwashed"	Mar 19 02:52
Diablo-D3	I swear Ive said that to someone before	Mar 19 02:52
Diablo-D3	that blight line	Mar 19 02:52
_goblin	which I nicely responded with:	Mar 19 02:52
_goblin	"I refute the claim I am one of the Linux unwashed. I take a shower once a year whether I need to or not"	Mar 19 02:52
_goblin	Blight line was said by Joe Shields.	Mar 19 02:53
bruce89	good old self-deprecation	Mar 19 02:53
_goblin	in one of his "C" word tirades that I published on my blog.	Mar 19 02:53
Diablo-D3	_goblin: jo shields... wait	Mar 19 02:53
schestowitz	[01:50] <MinceR> _goblin: but flooding isn't really the expression of a view.	Mar 19 02:53
Diablo-D3	whats his irc nick	Mar 19 02:53
Diablo-D3	because I think I said it to him	Mar 19 02:54
_goblin	lol...	Mar 19 02:54
_goblin	he does have a handle in here.	Mar 19 02:54
schestowitz	It's the difference between protesters throwing bottles at the police or throwing just insults	Mar 19 02:54
Diablo-D3	because if that motherfucker is reusing my lines	Mar 19 02:54
Diablo-D3	Im going to sue him for copyright infringement	Mar 19 02:54
Diablo-D3	seriously	Mar 19 02:54
_goblin	I found a delicious irony in a Mono advocate saying I was a blight on FOSS.	Mar 19 02:54
Diablo-D3	lets see how the microsoft fuckers like to be on the defensive	Mar 19 02:54
Diablo-D3	_goblin: I find it ironic he reused my material!	Mar 19 02:54
schestowitz	DaemonFC/XP was extremely rude at the time	Mar 19 02:54
*bruce89 trademarks being a moany bastard		Mar 19 02:55
schestowitz	He flooded the channel with anti-Linux and nymshifted to ban-evade	Mar 19 02:55
_goblin	Jo's great.....in the middle of his "C" word tirade to me, his girlfriend tweeted him and told him off.	Mar 19 02:55
_goblin	she didn't like the "C" word evidently.	Mar 19 02:55
_goblin	shes ok with Mono though....	Mar 19 02:55
schestowitz	[01:57] <Will__> Sorry to interupt (if that applies in IRC), but has anyone heard of this computer supplier: http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/	Mar 19 02:55
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schestowitz	That's where <i bought my last PC	Mar 19 02:56
schestowitz	Very pleased	Mar 19 02:56
bruce89	good, sounds very useful	Mar 19 02:56
_goblin	Yeah, Ive heard great things about them too.	Mar 19 02:57
_goblin	very decent service.	Mar 19 02:57
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schestowitz	[02:07] <MinceR> and starting an irc channel is practically without cost	Mar 19 02:57
schestowitz	Same if you invite over mates to chat	Mar 19 02:57
schestowitz	More privacy even	Mar 19 02:57
_goblin	Roy, I meant to say, congrats for becoming DR.	Mar 19 02:58
schestowitz	[02:14] * MinceR proposes to ban DHMO	Mar 19 02:59
schestowitz	Ban literacy	Mar 19 02:59
bruce89	night	Mar 19 03:00
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_goblin	night	Mar 19 03:00
_goblin	doh	Mar 19 03:00
_goblin	I should really go....	Mar 19 03:00
_goblin	I hope everyone has seen this Twitter list.......	Mar 19 03:02
_goblin	I must have annoyed someone.	Mar 19 03:02
_goblin	http://twitter.com/gblnscnt/cunts	Mar 19 03:02
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Is it me, or does the Southern Pverty Law Center look like a racist pro-white anti-black shill group? http://ur1.ca/qfub		Mar 19 03:02
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_goblin	Right...Im off...	Mar 19 03:04
schestowitz	cya	Mar 19 03:04
schestowitz	and tnx	Mar 19 03:04
_goblin	"Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast"	Mar 19 03:04
schestowitz	Wait	Mar 19 03:04
_goblin	yep?	Mar 19 03:04
schestowitz	Buy me fish, I'll smoke you a kipper	Mar 19 03:05
schestowitz	Well, half of it anyway :-)	Mar 19 03:05
_goblin	;) Roy, now you've got your qualification you can come and work with me...fancy signing up?	Mar 19 03:05
_goblin	I'd assume thats a no.	Mar 19 03:06
schestowitz	I could come up with other puns	Mar 19 03:06
_goblin	I'll leave on a different quote...	Mar 19 03:06
schestowitz	I can't recall the other ones, but the expresison begs for one	Mar 19 03:06
schestowitz	_goblin: mi5?	Mar 19 03:07
_goblin	lol	Mar 19 03:07
schestowitz	Agent _goblin	Mar 19 03:07
_goblin	License to GNU?	Mar 19 03:07
schestowitz	Pronounced DASH gob	Mar 19 03:07
schestowitz	Or underscore	Mar 19 03:07
schestowitz	it keeps it off the list (invisible)	Mar 19 03:07
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_goblin	For any trolls on this channel, Roy is joking, I am not (nor is anyone suggesting) that I am a 00 agent.	Mar 19 03:08
DaemonFC	I deleted my Launchpad account	Mar 19 03:08
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 19 03:08
_goblin	funnily enough though, my kids think I look like agent OSO.	Mar 19 03:09
schestowitz	_goblin: did you delete your Faceboom account, _goblin?	Mar 19 03:09
_goblin	?	Mar 19 03:09
_goblin	you found it?	Mar 19 03:09
DaemonFC	seems like no bug I report or comment on gets fixed and I was getting tons of spam though from people talking on them	Mar 19 03:09
schestowitz	To hide from the Soviets of course	Mar 19 03:09
_goblin	ah....	Mar 19 03:10
_goblin	no I posted my holiday snaps on it and my daughter put them on the net!	Mar 19 03:10
_goblin	that seems to be the norm...	Mar 19 03:10
DaemonFC	If you use Ubuntu, you may as well use Windows	Mar 19 03:10
_goblin	or	Mar 19 03:11
DaemonFC	that the thing I'm going to tell people from now on	Mar 19 03:11
_goblin	(as not to be defeatist)	Mar 19 03:11
_goblin	If you use Windows you may as well use Ubuntu?	Mar 19 03:11
DaemonFC	either-or	Mar 19 03:11
_goblin	remember the glass is half full not half empty!	Mar 19 03:11
DaemonFC	remember they started Ubuntu over the same complaints (actually some of the same complaints, Debian isn't turning into cheap Windows, Ubuntu is)	Mar 19 03:12
DaemonFC	Ubuntu is turning into Linspire lately	Mar 19 03:12
DaemonFC	it's getting to be too much to ignore	Mar 19 03:12
WireWulf	mmhmm	Mar 19 03:12
WireWulf	tho i did use linspire once apon a time	Mar 19 03:13
_goblin	could be worse.	Mar 19 03:13
DaemonFC	It will be	Mar 19 03:13
_goblin	I bought an Atari Jaguar once with Alien V Predator......that was bad.	Mar 19 03:13
DaemonFC	they're giving their users a spoonful of poison at a time	Mar 19 03:14
DaemonFC	and being totally unresponsive to their "community"	Mar 19 03:14
_goblin	if Ubuntu helps level out the OS playingfield then whatever it turns into will be good in the end.	Mar 19 03:14
DaemonFC	it won't	Mar 19 03:14
_goblin	diversity is the key.	Mar 19 03:14
_goblin	look how the browsers have changed the face of surfing.	Mar 19 03:14
DaemonFC	They're in the same screwed up mentality Linspire was in	Mar 19 03:15
DaemonFC	If we throw in tons of proprietary shit, people will take us seriously	Mar 19 03:15
_goblin	but then the average user doesn't care or understand...if Ubuntu works for them they will use it.	Mar 19 03:15
DaemonFC	If we look like OS X, people will think we're cool	Mar 19 03:15
_goblin	any why not?	Mar 19 03:15
_goblin	if thats what some people want.	Mar 19 03:15
_goblin	we've always got other choices.	Mar 19 03:15
_goblin	and if the "cool" people want to go Ubuntu....then fine....I'll still be a slack user	Mar 19 03:16
_goblin	it won't make any difference to anyone here.	Mar 19 03:16
schestowitz	DaemonFC just spreads FUD	Mar 19 03:16
schestowitz	Like another FUD I'm seeing now	Mar 19 03:16
schestowitz	That Linux is "not open source"	Mar 19 03:17
DaemonFC	How is it FUD?	Mar 19 03:17
schestowitz	It's not true	Mar 19 03:17
DaemonFC	a Microsoft deal for a truckload of cash is next	Mar 19 03:17
DaemonFC	just wait	Mar 19 03:17
_goblin	its just like Gnome...Im drifting away from it due to Mono, I could care less if others do or don't because Im heading for Enlightenment.	Mar 19 03:17
schestowitz	It's an exaggeration and misleading statements	Mar 19 03:17
_goblin	* the DE, not the state of mind.	Mar 19 03:18
schestowitz	Enlightenment... reminds me of my teen years	Mar 19 03:18
DaemonFC	brb	Mar 19 03:18
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schestowitz	It was great at the time... still is, but not much changed, AFAIK	Mar 19 03:18
_goblin	Elive is really good.	Mar 19 03:18
_goblin	having said that....	Mar 19 03:18
schestowitz	I wonder if I should sleep or post some tweets......	Mar 19 03:18
schestowitz	Let's see how long till I drop	Mar 19 03:19
_goblin	Just as I gave up waiting on Wolvix to be updated...I moved to Elive and guess what? Wolvix is due another ver shortly.	Mar 19 03:19
_goblin	just my luck.	Mar 19 03:19
_goblin	So I'll probably be back to Wolvix soon.	Mar 19 03:19
_goblin	and then I might encode a file with the Xvid codec in an AVI container and _really_ be l33t..... ;)	Mar 19 03:20
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_goblin	I wIlL hAvE tO sTaRt TyPiNg LiKe ThIs	Mar 19 03:21
Diablo-D3	WWWEEEEeeeEEeeEeeeEEeeEEeeeEeeeEEeeEEeeEEeeeEeeeEEeeEEeeEEe	Mar 19 03:22
_goblin	it was a real pain trying to type like the "l33t"	Mar 19 03:22
_goblin	I forgot to end every word with a "z" aswell.	Mar 19 03:22
_goblin	helloz youz lamerz	Mar 19 03:23
_goblin	too much like hardwork this L33t lark....I'll go back to being the Linux unwashed.	Mar 19 03:23
Diablo-D3	now you just sound like you're from new york	Mar 19 03:23
_goblin	lol	Mar 19 03:23
_goblin	New york l33t>	Mar 19 03:23
_goblin	right...Im off.....before I go saw something great today...a computer illiterate collegue of mine has a number plate with the last three letters "GNU".....now thats advocacy! Good night all.	Mar 19 03:32
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DaemonFC	My plate is 357MAG and no that was not intentional	Mar 19 03:35
Omar87	Hi all!	Mar 19 03:35
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: If you get a hit from IE 9, that was me	Mar 19 03:39
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DaemonFC	and it crashed	Mar 19 03:40
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DaemonFC	hmmm, it identifies as IE 8	Mar 19 03:41
DaemonFC	55/100 on ACID 3	Mar 19 03:42
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DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Indiana	Mar 19 03:53
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DaemonFC	:)	Mar 19 03:53
DaemonFC	Indiana has been in a time zone clusterfuck for most of the last hundred years	Mar 19 03:55
DaemonFC	Until 2007, I never had to set the clock for DST because it just did not exist here	Mar 19 03:56
DaemonFC	grrrrrrrr	Mar 19 03:56
Balrog	2007?	Mar 19 03:56
DaemonFC	yeah	Mar 19 03:57
Balrog	:[	Mar 19 03:57
DaemonFC	think that was it	Mar 19 03:57
Balrog	I prefer no DST	Mar 19 03:57
Balrog	well, or keeping it year round	Mar 19 03:57
Balrog	just don't mess with the clock	Mar 19 03:57
DaemonFC	well, half the time we were on Eastern and the other half was Central	Mar 19 03:57
DaemonFC	so the clocks never had to be set forward or back	Mar 19 03:57
DaemonFC	weird huh?	Mar 19 03:58
DaemonFC	I miss that	Mar 19 03:58
Balrog	:[	Mar 19 03:58
DaemonFC	DST makes no sense	Mar 19 03:58
Balrog	they shouldn't have messed with it	Mar 19 03:58
Balrog	well it does, it makes it lighter outside in the evening	Mar 19 03:58
Balrog	basically it delays sunset by one hour	Mar 19 03:58
DaemonFC	Well, get this....when the governor was trying to get it passed, he claimed there's be less traffic accidents and less fuel burned because of the "extra hour of daylight"	Mar 19 03:59
DaemonFC	this ignores the fact there is no extra daylight, it simply gets shifted around	Mar 19 03:59
Balrog	well yea, that's exactly right	Mar 19 04:00
DaemonFC	so all fuel and traffic accident savings on one side of the day get lost on the other	Mar 19 04:00
Balrog	as I said, either keep it year round or not at all	Mar 19 04:00
DaemonFC	you get more traffic accidents later on in the day	Mar 19 04:00
Balrog	well the premise is that more people are out and about in the evening	Mar 19 04:00
DaemonFC	err, in the morning I meant	Mar 19 04:01
DaemonFC	Well no	Mar 19 04:01
DaemonFC	morning commute is darker because what should be 6 AM is now 7	Mar 19 04:01
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DaemonFC	so more traffic accidents and more headlights on	Mar 19 04:01
DaemonFC	cause it causes the commute to be darker	Mar 19 04:02
Balrog	well yes	Mar 19 04:02
DaemonFC	Politicians....	Mar 19 04:02
DaemonFC	That's like saying "If we sign a law making it 1999, all our debt will go away"	Mar 19 04:03
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DaemonFC	Balrog: Did you know that if we pass a law banning pop rocks and soda, 1 million lives will be saved every year due to heads not exploding?	Mar 19 04:05
DaemonFC	for real	Mar 19 04:05
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 19 04:05
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DaemonFC	I'm surprised they aren't trying to push Windows Media in it honestly	Mar 19 05:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] 25 Ubuntu Global Jam Events! http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ - organize yours! http://bit.ly/cKWDgK Oganize, attend, enjoy Ubuntu :-) #ubuntu		Mar 19 06:01
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DaemonFC	http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/maulie	Mar 19 06:57
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DaemonFC	http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/18/AR2010031805317.html	Mar 19 06:58
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DaemonFC	:)	Mar 19 06:59
DaemonFC	nice headline	Mar 19 06:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Alright lovely people of t'internet, bed is calling, see you all tomorrow! :-)		Mar 19 07:12
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omar__	hi all	Mar 19 08:33
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schestowitz	Hey	Mar 19 08:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice .org Communities in Focus, Easter Eggs http://ur1.ca/qhu0 http://ur1.ca/qhu1 #oracle		Mar 19 08:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Day to Celebrate Open #Standards ( #ODF ) is Coming http://opensource.com/government/10/3/liberate-your-documents		Mar 19 08:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Moglen Speaks About Software Freedom http://ur1.ca/q70n This is new: Moglen Speaks About Software Freedom		Mar 19 08:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF Interacts With Man Behind Microsoft/Novell Deal http://ur1.ca/q6h1 http://ur1.ca/qhv9		Mar 19 08:44
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: This company suing Microsoft now is absolutely a patent troll. Their only product is "license our patents".	Mar 19 08:46
DaemonFC	heh	Mar 19 08:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Explanation from Belgian Government of Why #FreeSoftware is Good http://ur1.ca/q62s		Mar 19 08:47
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: I know	Mar 19 08:53
schestowitz	It's not suing	Mar 19 08:53
schestowitz	it win	Mar 19 08:53
schestowitz	*won	Mar 19 08:53
schestowitz	Microsoft will appeal	Mar 19 08:53
schestowitz	Emil the booster sez so	Mar 19 08:54
DaemonFC	they filed another one	Mar 19 08:54
schestowitz	vs msft?	Mar 19 08:54
DaemonFC	yes	Mar 19 08:54
schestowitz	They could sue other OSes	Mar 19 08:54
schestowitz	DaemonFC: cool	Mar 19 08:54
schestowitz	Let them have it	Mar 19 08:54
DaemonFC	They didn't name Windows 7 in the first one	Mar 19 08:54
DaemonFC	they think they can dig for more I guess	Mar 19 08:54
schestowitz	They can	Mar 19 08:55
DaemonFC	yeah, it's hard to feel sorry for Microsoft	Mar 19 08:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Does anyone know any of the IT details responsible for England student loans fiasco?		Mar 19 08:55
schestowitz	They could buy more patents Microsoft infringes on	Mar 19 08:55
DaemonFC	they're falling victim to the system they perpetuate	Mar 19 08:55
schestowitz	And repeat endlessly	Mar 19 08:55
schestowitz	The law allows that	Mar 19 08:55
schestowitz	It's broken	Mar 19 08:55
DaemonFC	so yes, good hunting	Mar 19 08:55
DaemonFC	heh	Mar 19 08:55
schestowitz	Nothing MSFT can do about it.....	Mar 19 08:55
schestowitz	Got links on thw new suit?	Mar 19 08:56
DaemonFC	I guess Microsoft didn't figure on this or just considers it a cost of doing business	Mar 19 08:56
schestowitz	No, it did	Mar 19 08:56
WireWulf	M$ doesnt care	Mar 19 08:56
schestowitz	That's why it made IV	Mar 19 08:56
schestowitz	Gates worried about the trolls	Mar 19 08:56
schestowitz	So he created his own troll	Mar 19 08:56
DaemonFC	http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5616	Mar 19 08:56
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schestowitz	I was gonna write about this later	Mar 19 08:56
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Does anyone know any of the IT details responsible for England student loans fiasco?		Mar 19 08:57
DaemonFC	I'm thinking of snapping up a Radeon HD 5670	Mar 19 08:57
DaemonFC	Newegg has some open box ones for cheap	Mar 19 08:58
schestowitz	Newegg is bad	Mar 19 08:58
schestowitz	Bad for Linux	Mar 19 08:58
DaemonFC	I've bought tons of stuff from them	Mar 19 08:58
WireWulf	most computer stores are bad for linux	Mar 19 08:59
cubezzz	why bad for Linux?	Mar 19 08:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Good morning world. What delights do we have in store today!?		Mar 19 08:59
cubezzz	hardware is hardware	Mar 19 08:59
schestowitz	DaemonFC: http://legalpad.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/03/will-patent-holder-iv-show-its-face-to-kodak.html	Mar 19 08:59
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schestowitz	WireWulf: boycott hardware !!1 :-)	Mar 19 09:00
cubezzz	you could say OEMs are bad for Linux but Retail stores aren't the ones at fault	Mar 19 09:00
cubezzz	they just push what they think will sell	Mar 19 09:00
schestowitz	It's different	Mar 19 09:01
WireWulf	schestowitz: i dont boycott hardware i boycott hardware that isnt open to use with any os	Mar 19 09:01
schestowitz	It's how they treated people with Linux	Mar 19 09:01
schestowitz	Recent story	Mar 19 09:01
schestowitz	WireWulf: OK, let's boycott food then	Mar 19 09:01
cubezzz	oh well, yes	Mar 19 09:01
WireWulf	lol	Mar 19 09:01
WireWulf	schestowitz: no boycotting food	Mar 19 09:01
schestowitz	Boycott terrorism	Mar 19 09:01
schestowitz	Problem solved	Mar 19 09:02
cubezzz	ahem Amish anyone? :)	Mar 19 09:02
schestowitz	Oh, and boycott famine	Mar 19 09:02
WireWulf	xD	Mar 19 09:02
schestowitz	It kind of sucks	Mar 19 09:02
schestowitz	Boycott cancer and road accidents, why hasn't ANYONE thought of it before?	Mar 19 09:02
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Marvell has a $99 10" tablet prototype, and it runs !Linux http://ur1.ca/qhy0 #dowant #dowant #dosoverywant		Mar 19 09:02
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Bernie Madoff had the shit beat out of him in prison http://ur1.ca/qhyc #awesome		Mar 19 09:02
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cubezzz	Amish grow their own food, and don't use cars :)	Mar 19 09:03
schestowitz	We can at least declare "War" on cancer and road accidents	Mar 19 09:03
cubezzz	you have to admire that	Mar 19 09:03
WireWulf	http://www.heandfi.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/mac_pc_linux.jpg <<<how linux and unix has been treated for years	Mar 19 09:03
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schestowitz	We can enter countries where levels of cancer are high	Mar 19 09:03
schestowitz	Then shock-and-awe their arses	Mar 19 09:03
schestowitz	cubezzz: do they visit doctors when ill?	Mar 19 09:04
cubezzz	just installed another Linux server yesterday	Mar 19 09:04
cubezzz	schestowitz, yes	Mar 19 09:04
cubezzz	they do use doctors	Mar 19 09:04
WireWulf	boycott smoking...wait no one would deal with me then	Mar 19 09:05
cubezzz	Madoff got beat up... well he angered a lot of investors I'm sure :)	Mar 19 09:06
WireWulf	i have something on my mind that has bugged me for awail	Mar 19 09:06
WireWulf	why is it hardware for macs cost more the hardware for pc's	Mar 19 09:07
DaemonFC	I got the card for $27 off for taking it "open box"	Mar 19 09:07
cubezzz	WireWulf, sometimes the quality is better	Mar 19 09:07
DaemonFC	I've done this stuff before, I scored an Athlon64 3200+ back in 2007 for like $20	Mar 19 09:07
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 19 09:07
cubezzz	sometimes it's just the name	Mar 19 09:07
cubezzz	Using Mac is like being in jail though	Mar 19 09:08
schestowitz	DaemonFOX is a hardware hyena	Mar 19 09:08
schestowitz	He'll stick his nose in the carcasses	Mar 19 09:08
WireWulf	cubezzz: it is still sorta stupid busness wise	Mar 19 09:08
DaemonFC	Makes no sense to buy a new one just because some idiot opened the box and decided to be a wuss and send it back	Mar 19 09:08
cubezzz	no more power pig cpus for me	Mar 19 09:08
schestowitz	DaemonFC: I have a bargain for you... open box ice cream	Mar 19 09:08
WireWulf	lol	Mar 19 09:09
DaemonFC	besides, it'll be a worthy upgrade for my 4670	Mar 19 09:09
cubezzz	open mayonaise jar, even cheaper! :)	Mar 19 09:09
cubezzz	I also have some green jelly from 1996 :)	Mar 19 09:09
schestowitz	cubezzz: it's not mayo	Mar 19 09:09
schestowitz	90% is guaranteed to be mayo though	Mar 19 09:09
cubezzz	:-P	Mar 19 09:09
schestowitz	Guatenteed not to poison you if you mix with 50% water (dilution)	Mar 19 09:10
DaemonFC	schestowitz: It's the Walmart manager in me, it says go for the most cost effective solution	Mar 19 09:11
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 19 09:11
DaemonFC	and when I dream, the voices haunt me	Mar 19 09:11
schestowitz	As long as it's not a biohazard	Mar 19 09:11
DaemonFC	"Build the business, build the business!!!!"	Mar 19 09:11
schestowitz	Wal-mart would sell crack if it was legal	Mar 19 09:11
schestowitz	it sold bullets	Mar 19 09:12
schestowitz	"My first bullets"	Mar 19 09:12
DaemonFC	sure they would, and buy it in such quantity as to run all the other crack dealers out of business	Mar 19 09:12
schestowitz	"Bullets foir toddlers"	Mar 19 09:12
schestowitz	It says on the box, "approves by Manson"	Mar 19 09:12
schestowitz	*ed	Mar 19 09:12
schestowitz	To increase sales	Mar 19 09:12
DaemonFC	It still sells shells, just not shotguns	Mar 19 09:12
schestowitz	Gotta make that $$ :-D	Mar 19 09:12
DaemonFC	I buy them there	Mar 19 09:12
schestowitz	Hoarding?	Mar 19 09:13
schestowitz	Unless you shoot stuff..	Mar 19 09:13
DaemonFC	well, they are cheaper	Mar 19 09:13
DaemonFC	buy a box of 100	Mar 19 09:13
DaemonFC	save even more	Mar 19 09:13
WireWulf	yeah i have to run to the local pown shop to buy a gun now xD	Mar 19 09:13
cubezzz	looking for a new tyan board that has power efficient cpus	Mar 19 09:13
DaemonFC	not good to leave old ammunition around	Mar 19 09:14
schestowitz	DaemonFC: they incentivise using them up	Mar 19 09:14
DaemonFC	go fire it off if it's going to be unstable soon	Mar 19 09:14
schestowitz	Fire at /what/?	Mar 19 09:14
DaemonFC	targets	Mar 19 09:15
schestowitz	Some idiots shoot them up in the woods and hurt innocants	Mar 19 09:15
schestowitz	*cent	Mar 19 09:15
schestowitz	Bollox	Mar 19 09:15
schestowitz	It's not even fun	Mar 19 09:15
DaemonFC	shouldn't be out in the woods during hunting season unless you're hunting	Mar 19 09:15
DaemonFC	duh	Mar 19 09:15
schestowitz	Unless you watch the Hollywood propaganda like Rambo	Mar 19 09:15
schestowitz	Shooting is boring	Mar 19 09:15
schestowitz	I did this before	Mar 19 09:16
WireWulf	depends on what you are shooting at	Mar 19 09:16
schestowitz	I still have an air rifle and I practised with military-grade	Mar 19 09:16
schestowitz	Most boring ever	Mar 19 09:16
schestowitz	WireWulf: baloons?	Mar 19 09:16
DaemonFC	I may go fishing this weekend.	Mar 19 09:16
schestowitz	With a rifle?	Mar 19 09:16
schestowitz	You put lead in fishies?	Mar 19 09:17
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Don't be silly. You're on dynamite detail. :P	Mar 19 09:17
schestowitz	DaemonFC: you'd worry people out thre	Mar 19 09:18
schestowitz	Your gun is bigger than you	Mar 19 09:18
DaemonFC	I worry people wherever.	Mar 19 09:18
WireWulf	xsci have a side arm	Mar 19 09:18
schestowitz	You're gonna carry is around like a klutz scaring people	Mar 19 09:19
DaemonFC	No I'd never dynamite fish, the Indiana DNR officers would not like that at all	Mar 19 09:19
schestowitz	You defaces your mayor's wikipedia page	Mar 19 09:19
DaemonFC	that's different	Mar 19 09:19
schestowitz	They need to rattle you some more....	Mar 19 09:19
schestowitz	...call your mother	Mar 19 09:20
DaemonFC	If dynamite were merely socially unacceptable as a fishing tool, I might use it	Mar 19 09:20
DaemonFC	it happens to be VERY illegal	Mar 19 09:20
WireWulf	schestowitz: who's mxayor has a wiki page :P	Mar 19 09:20
schestowitz	DaemonFOX'	Mar 19 09:21
DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_fishing	Mar 19 09:21
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DaemonFC	Am I the only one that giggles about dynamite fishing?	Mar 19 09:21
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 19 09:21
schestowitz	Article rather	Mar 19 09:21
schestowitz	To be pedantic	Mar 19 09:21
schestowitz	DaemonFC: you need some Ritalin	Mar 19 09:21
DaemonFC	doesn't work	Mar 19 09:22
DaemonFC	not when you trade it to the other kids for video games anyway	Mar 19 09:22
DaemonFC	yes, quite ineffective	Mar 19 09:22
schestowitz	How well would dynamite detonate under water anyway? The standard type...	Mar 19 09:22
WireWulf	you neeed to see the CIA mental studys department then	Mar 19 09:22
DaemonFC	schestowitz: quite well	Mar 19 09:23
DaemonFC	depth charge B-)	Mar 19 09:23
WireWulf	schestowitz: chainese fuse will burn when wet or under water	Mar 19 09:23
WireWulf	i remember that from bomb 101 in highschool i mean world history	Mar 19 09:24
DaemonFC	hmmm, Torpex fishing anyone? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpex	Mar 19 09:25
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schestowitz	Just buy fish at the market	Mar 19 09:25
schestowitz	They use nets	Mar 19 09:25
schestowitz	Suffocating the fish	Mar 19 09:25
schestowitz	WHich isn't all that glorified	Mar 19 09:25
schestowitz	We're now just sweeping up what's left with drift net	Mar 19 09:25
schestowitz	*nets	Mar 19 09:25
schestowitz	Fish may have just decades left to live	Mar 19 09:26
WireWulf	and illegal in the gulf of mexxico if you are a US citizen	Mar 19 09:26
DaemonFC	What is?	Mar 19 09:26
schestowitz	Then it'll be just a distant memory from our predecessors' menu	Mar 19 09:26
WireWulf	net fishing	Mar 19 09:26
schestowitz	Doesn't prevent it	Mar 19 09:26
DaemonFC	nothing is illegal in Mexico if you bribe the police enough	Mar 19 09:26
schestowitz	Whaling and dolphin hunting can be made illegal too	Mar 19 09:26
schestowitz	If not regulated, then....	Mar 19 09:26
WireWulf	DaemonFC: mexicans can do it US ppl can not	Mar 19 09:26
schestowitz	How many non-captive dolphins are left now?	Mar 19 09:27
schestowitz	You could just about label all of them	Mar 19 09:27
schestowitz	Give numbers as though they are zoo exhibits	Mar 19 09:27
DaemonFC	schestowitz: If we don't destroy the Earth, the sun will explode someday anyhow	Mar 19 09:27
WireWulf	DaemonFC: some stupid turtle is on that stupid list of ours	Mar 19 09:27
DaemonFC	so why not?	Mar 19 09:27
schestowitz	Good luck assigning police to any ship out there	Mar 19 09:28
schestowitz	"Dolphin compliance" officers on board?	Mar 19 09:28
schestowitz	DaemonFC: Sun has a long time until then	Mar 19 09:28
DaemonFC	"Hi, we're the Mexican police, pay us a bribe and we'll look the other way!"	Mar 19 09:28
WireWulf	DaemonFC: tis the american cost grade enforeing it	Mar 19 09:29
DaemonFC	schestowitz: So the goal of the environmentalists is to give the dolphins 9 billion years to evolve and take our jobs?	Mar 19 09:29
WireWulf	*enforcing it	Mar 19 09:29
DaemonFC	I for one will not stand for it!	Mar 19 09:29
*DaemonFC throws a styrofoam cup at schestowitz B-)		Mar 19 09:29
DaemonFC	nyaaah!	Mar 19 09:29
WireWulf	i say we enslave dolphins then	Mar 19 09:30
WireWulf	trsin em like dogs	Mar 19 09:30
WireWulf	*train em	Mar 19 09:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #DRM Fails Very Badly, Again http://ur1.ca/qi3t http://ur1.ca/qi3w http://ur1.ca/qi3x		Mar 19 09:31
*WireWulf walked into a high school and said flac today		Mar 19 09:31
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phIRCe-BNc	ACTION walked into a high school and said flac today	Mar 19 09:33
*WireWulf got kicked out of said highschool		Mar 19 09:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #ACTA Conspiracy Continues to Operate Secretly http://ur1.ca/qi4b http://ur1.ca/q3l4 http://ur1.ca/qi4c		Mar 19 09:34
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Diablo-D3	schestowitz: to be fair	Mar 19 09:35
DaemonFC	schestowitz: The manufacturing process of AMD's GPUs have gotten much better	Mar 19 09:35
Diablo-D3	its not a conspiracy	Mar 19 09:35
Diablo-D3	a conspiracy implies a form of intelligence	Mar 19 09:36
Diablo-D3	dohohohohohohohoho	Mar 19 09:36
DaemonFC	couple hundred more transisters and faster RAM uses a few less watts than the GPU I have now	Mar 19 09:36
DaemonFC	nice	Mar 19 09:36
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: well	Mar 19 09:36
Diablo-D3	you know why?	Mar 19 09:36
Diablo-D3	because its AMD's process.	Mar 19 09:36
Diablo-D3	ATI didnt know what the fuck they were doing	Mar 19 09:36
Diablo-D3	and AMD is not even done unfucking the shit	Mar 19 09:36
DaemonFC	30% better benchmarks on average and uses a little less power	Mar 19 09:36
Diablo-D3	6000 should have a similar increase that 5000 had over 4000	Mar 19 09:36
DaemonFC	that is nice	Mar 19 09:37
Diablo-D3	6000 should also be able to blow your dick right off	Mar 19 09:37
WireWulf	7000 should then be like sex?	Mar 19 09:38
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Diablo-D3	no, 6000 should	Mar 19 09:38
Diablo-D3	7000 should be like sex with hot asian triplets.	Mar 19 09:38
Diablo-D3	yes, triplets. nvidia thinks they're going to save their company with twins. psssh.	Mar 19 09:39
DaemonFC	ATI did a really awful job on Mobility Radeons	Mar 19 09:39
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: yeah	Mar 19 09:39
Diablo-D3	which is why they're going away	Mar 19 09:39
DaemonFC	they almost made their desktop GPU work look perfect	Mar 19 09:39
Diablo-D3	AMD is all Fusion fap fap fap fap	Mar 19 09:39
WireWulf	xthen means 8000 would be like endless sex with every hot girl in the world	Mar 19 09:39
Diablo-D3	well	Mar 19 09:40
Diablo-D3	2012 is coming	Mar 19 09:40
Diablo-D3	so the worlds going to blow up before we get 7000 anyhow	Mar 19 09:40
WireWulf	heh	Mar 19 09:40
WireWulf	Diablo-D3: i'll believe it when it comes	Mar 19 09:41
DaemonFC	I almost never go over $100 on a GPU	Mar 19 09:41
WireWulf	till then tomarrow is just one more day on earth one less day till i die	Mar 19 09:41
DaemonFC	it's one of those psychological price points	Mar 19 09:41
WireWulf	i have never had a highend computer	Mar 19 09:42
DaemonFC	the 5670 is probably the best sub-$100 GPU there is	Mar 19 09:42
Diablo-D3	meh	Mar 19 09:42
Diablo-D3	AMD fucked up my buying	Mar 19 09:42
Diablo-D3	I used to buy the second best	Mar 19 09:42
Diablo-D3	thus, I have a 4850	Mar 19 09:42
Diablo-D3	but now the 5850 is expensive, and the third best (5770 or whatever it is) is now the possible appropriate price tier	Mar 19 09:43
DaemonFC	It beats the shit out of the Geforce GT240, it's cheaper, and it has DirectX 11 support	Mar 19 09:43
Diablo-D3	buuuut	Mar 19 09:43
DaemonFC	that's three things that made me go for it	Mar 19 09:43
Diablo-D3	the 5770 is just as fast as my 4850	Mar 19 09:43
Diablo-D3	but uses half the watts	Mar 19 09:43
Diablo-D3	so fuck it	Mar 19 09:43
Diablo-D3	Ill wait until 6xxx comes out	Mar 19 09:43
*WireWulf will stick to his ati hd 3650		Mar 19 09:44
DaemonFC	Microsoft wasn't stupid this time and didn't pretend like they couldn't backport DirectX 11	Mar 19 09:44
DaemonFC	so the combined Vista and 7 users will make the market for DX 11 overtake XP and DX 9	Mar 19 09:44
Diablo-D3	WireWulf: urk, 3xxx are rather fucking useless	Mar 19 09:44
Diablo-D3	no opencl.	Mar 19 09:44
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: most people dont even care about d3d	Mar 19 09:44
DaemonFC	yeah, they do suppor OpenGL, but it's like 1.2	Mar 19 09:44
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 19 09:44
WireWulf	Diablo-D3: i have a apg slot on my rig	Mar 19 09:44
WireWulf	*agp	Mar 19 09:45
Diablo-D3	WireWulf: time to upgrade.	Mar 19 09:45
schestowitz	[09:29] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: So the goal of the environmentalists is to give the dolphins 9 billion years to evolve and take our jobs?	Mar 19 09:45
DaemonFC	not useful enough to actually run any 3d apps	Mar 19 09:45
schestowitz	WHat does it have to do with jobs	Mar 19 09:45
Diablo-D3	pci-e is the last slot you'll ever need.	Mar 19 09:45
schestowitz	That's a redneck's argument	Mar 19 09:45
Diablo-D3	backwards AND forwards compatible forever	Mar 19 09:45
Diablo-D3	its required by the spec	Mar 19 09:45
schestowitz	Do you even know what socially and economically a job means?	Mar 19 09:45
schestowitz	Ask bushmen	Mar 19 09:45
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I know, I get to make fun of liberals and Fox Noise at once	Mar 19 09:45
DaemonFC	how can I refuse?	Mar 19 09:45
amarsh04	http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/19/2851105.htm	Mar 19 09:46
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WireWulf	Diablo-D3: i would upgrade but i dont have the money	Mar 19 09:46
schestowitz	DaemonFC: that's a terrible argument	Mar 19 09:46
DaemonFC	schestowitz: people tend to view things as black and white	Mar 19 09:46
schestowitz	It's like Palin... "OH Oh! And it has to do with job creating! *panting"	Mar 19 09:47
DaemonFC	just because the conservates are shitheads doesn't mean the liberals are the good guys	Mar 19 09:47
schestowitz	*tion	Mar 19 09:47
Diablo-D3	WireWulf: I would upgrade but I just dont feel like spending the money.	Mar 19 09:47
Diablo-D3	WireWulf: AMD is going to have to earn it	Mar 19 09:47
WireWulf	Diablo-D3: lol i have had one amd processer	Mar 19 09:47
DaemonFC	AMD processors are great	Mar 19 09:48
WireWulf	but a ton of ati cards :P	Mar 19 09:48
Diablo-D3	AMD is the best company ever	Mar 19 09:48
Diablo-D3	it almost makes me wish I didnt have a no fanboy of anything rule.	Mar 19 09:48
Diablo-D3	almost.	Mar 19 09:48
WireWulf	Diablo-D3: AMD are nice but intel has a 6 core CPU xD	Mar 19 09:49
schestowitz	re Ubuntu: "@schestowitz no one was trying to vote were they? what he meant is "this may be open source, but no one's listening, screw you guys"" http://identi.ca/notice/25261727	Mar 19 09:49
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Diablo-D3	WireWulf: erm, AMD has an 8 core cpu.	Mar 19 09:49
schestowitz	DaemonFC trolls Ubuntu, IMHO	Mar 19 09:49
Diablo-D3	ubuntu deserves to be trolled imo	Mar 19 09:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Bah, I wanted to do this as an April fool. http://bit.ly/cMNX1s People might actually believe it :)		Mar 19 09:50
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WireWulf	Diablo-D3: hmm i need to stop doing my looking on what they show me :P	Mar 19 09:50
schestowitz	"@schestowitz don't let google in your living room! (and read "if you give a mouse a cookie")" http://identi.ca/notice/25263255	Mar 19 09:50
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schestowitz	> Viacomm was caught trying to ruin YouTube by having employees post Viacomm	Mar 19 09:50
schestowitz	> owned movies and music so that they could sue YouTube for hosting it. It is	Mar 19 09:50
schestowitz	> a shame that PC World treats both sides with equal contempt. Sharing is good	Mar 19 09:50
schestowitz	> and Viacomm is evil for all the bad things they do to people who share.	Mar 19 09:50
schestowitz	>	Mar 19 09:50
schestowitz	> http://www.pcworld.com/article/191902/google_viacom_sling_mud_in_youtube_court_fight.html	Mar 19 09:50
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Diablo-D3	WireWulf: its in an opteron package	Mar 19 09:50
schestowitz	> Non free software was used by a malicious employee to brick hundreds of cars	Mar 19 09:51
schestowitz	> and annoy whole neighborhoods:	Mar 19 09:51
schestowitz	>	Mar 19 09:51
schestowitz	> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/hacker-bricks-cars/	Mar 19 09:51
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schestowitz	>	Mar 19 09:51
schestowitz	> “Omar was pretty good with computers,” and apparently the auto dealer was not.	Mar 19 09:51
schestowitz	> Malicious software owners are often incompetent like this.	Mar 19 09:51
schestowitz	Windows?	Mar 19 09:51
schestowitz	Not that it's the OS layer, but still...	Mar 19 09:51
schestowitz	The trolls are still busy... http://twitter.com/stonemirror/statuses/10699588224	Mar 19 09:54
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schestowitz	And others	Mar 19 09:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @popey You guys better delete that before anyone sees it, at the rate Ubuntu is crapping all over itself lately, it might be believable. :)		Mar 19 09:54
schestowitz	Spying/stalking what I write	Mar 19 09:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] @DaemonFC I reserve the right not to feed that trollish comment :)		Mar 19 10:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @popey I deleted my Launchpad acct this morning because of the prevailing attitudes to user experience and apathy towards real bugs. Yuck.		Mar 19 10:05
DaemonFC	they let serious bugs go unfixed or add more while they're worried about how to sell you things and how to mess with the GUI.	Mar 19 10:06
DaemonFC	Sounds familiar...	Mar 19 10:06
WireWulf	sounds like windows	Mar 19 10:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] @DaemonFC That'll make participation difficult.So you're moving to a different distro? Out of interest, which one?		Mar 19 10:09
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schestowitz	Just had to rant..... http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/03/19/on-atheism/	Mar 19 10:16
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cubezzz	the mac vs pc ads are specious	Mar 19 10:19
cubezzz	pc is a generic term	Mar 19 10:19
cubezzz	really they are comparing operating systems, not hardware	Mar 19 10:19
schestowitz	Yeah	Mar 19 10:21
cubezzz	they compare the merits of one closed OS with another	Mar 19 10:21
schestowitz	But Apple came up with it	Mar 19 10:21
schestowitz	Not Microsoft	Mar 19 10:21
schestowitz	Microsoft sort of plays along with "PC"	Mar 19 10:21
oiaohm	MS does not want people to think the generic term PC is generic	Mar 19 10:22
cubezzz	microcomputer was the old term	Mar 19 10:22
*amarsh04 should have made comments about no Free software from Redmond in our state election campaign (the opposition candidate is Isobel Redmond)		Mar 19 10:22
cubezzz	I never really called anything a "PC"	Mar 19 10:22
oiaohm	Personal Computer	Mar 19 10:22
oiaohm	microcomputer is really a different term.	Mar 19 10:22
cubezzz	I prefer it though :)	Mar 19 10:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @daemonfc Checking out Opera 10.5....Chrome and Firefox could have a real fight on their hands here! IE 9 preview sucks		Mar 19 10:23
cubezzz	more historically expressive	Mar 19 10:23
*amarsh04 remembers those 8080 based boards from 1974 (and programming same in first year electrical engineering in 1981)		Mar 19 10:24
oiaohm	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcomputer Some of the arm devices appearing now would fit into the microcomputer class.	Mar 19 10:25
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cubezzz	well maybe you could use the term nanocomputer now	Mar 19 10:25
oiaohm	netbook /nettop cubezzz	Mar 19 10:26
oiaohm	smartbook	Mar 19 10:26
cubezzz	the form factor is relevent	Mar 19 10:26
oiaohm	We have got a whole new stack of terms defining them.	Mar 19 10:26
cubezzz	er, relevant	Mar 19 10:26
cubezzz	nettop sounds extraneous to me	Mar 19 10:27
oiaohm	Lot of what would be called microcomputers now hides in different form factor name.s	Mar 19 10:27
cubezzz	PC isn't any better though	Mar 19 10:28
cubezzz	it's just as non-specific	Mar 19 10:28
cubezzz	a zaurus is a PC	Mar 19 10:28
cubezzz	a zaurus is a microcomputer	Mar 19 10:28
oiaohm	Personal Computer techically could be a apple machine.	Mar 19 10:29
oiaohm	Yes shock horror to lot of MS fans and Apple fans.	Mar 19 10:29
oiaohm	Personal Computer in its true meaning is a machine you have at home for personal use.	Mar 19 10:29
cubezzz	that's why the ads are stupid, yes :)	Mar 19 10:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] Two gay soldiers arrested in White House protest. http://rep.ly/1MyfU		Mar 19 10:30
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oiaohm	MS pushed the PC idea to being them to stop people thinking about the other microcomputer and the like as PC's.	Mar 19 10:30
cubezzz	the other main tyranny is Intel	Mar 19 10:30
oiaohm	Like the C64 it was techincally a PC.	Mar 19 10:30
cubezzz	was the Kim-1 a PC? :)	Mar 19 10:31
cubezzz	it's a personal computer too	Mar 19 10:31
oiaohm	Really I don't think schestowitz has ever covered that the. Artifical narrowing of terms.	Mar 19 10:32
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cubezzz	put it all under the heading of "Microsoft bullshit"	Mar 19 10:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Got a full day....Sky person coming to install HD, new mobile phone arriving and builder dropping off materials for work to start monday.		Mar 19 10:33
oiaohm	Sad part is lot of young people are shocked when they ask for a PC and they end up with something like a old but working c64	Mar 19 10:34
oiaohm	I gave them what they asked for.	Mar 19 10:34
cubezzz	they could have made the c64 into a nice PDA	Mar 19 10:34
cubezzz	but no, the c64's time is done	Mar 19 10:35
cubezzz	unless you are uber-hardcore :)	Mar 19 10:35
amarsh04	there was a local who had a scsi disk attached to his c64	Mar 19 10:35
amarsh04	one of my associates even had a c65	Mar 19 10:35
cubezzz	oiaohm, I'd say the real narrowing was when the distinction between home computers and personal computers	Mar 19 10:36
oiaohm	There are still some c64 clones being made today.	Mar 19 10:36
cubezzz	really?	Mar 19 10:36
amarsh04	I'd like to see something that is relatively low power, can do full motion video playback with open hardware and code, and internally can take decent amounts of ram and externally have plenty of interfaces including esata	Mar 19 10:37
DaemonFC	they still sell the Sega Genesis too	Mar 19 10:37
oiaohm	Yes really. there bugger all ciruit to a c64	Mar 19 10:37
DaemonFC	self contained version of it	Mar 19 10:37
cubezzz	like C64 direct-to-tv?	Mar 19 10:37
cubezzz	or a full sized clone?	Mar 19 10:37
oiaohm	There are still full sized clones cubezzz	Mar 19 10:38
cubezzz	ok, that is news to me	Mar 19 10:38
oiaohm	Some things are very resistant to dieing. Run quite well on less that 1 watt of power.	Mar 19 10:38
oiaohm	Yes modern day power effectiveness crossed with c64 light power software you end up with something insanely power effective.	Mar 19 10:39
cubezzz	it would be fun to program in 6502 again :)	Mar 19 10:39
cubezzz	but i'll probably get a "smartbook" next	Mar 19 10:40
cubezzz	maybe you meant the C-One oiaohm?	Mar 19 10:43
oiaohm	C-One is one of them.	Mar 19 10:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Liking the new automatic sync feature in the latest Tomboy http://bit.ly/1bNieK		Mar 19 10:59
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DaemonFC	there you go, schestowitz	Mar 19 11:01
cubezzz	probably netwalker actually	Mar 19 11:07
cubezzz	that seems to be the best of the bunch so far	Mar 19 11:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] CNET’s (CBS) Elinor Mills improved her coverage by naming #Microsoft and #Windows as part of the problem http://ur1.ca/qii9		Mar 19 11:08
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cubezzz	just very pricey	Mar 19 11:08
cubezzz	well, the good news is I can make a living without using doze :)	Mar 19 11:13
cubezzz	I'll even use dozer jobs to point out the superior of Linux	Mar 19 11:14
cubezzz	superiority	Mar 19 11:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Ubuntu Support in India http://post.ly/TsUN		Mar 19 11:20
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DaemonFC	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBslqsP5UJw	Mar 19 11:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] European Commission confirms they won't give the ACTA documents to the public, since other countries oppose http://i5.be/aDc		Mar 19 11:30
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8575666.stm	Mar 19 11:37
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DaemonFC	Very interesting	Mar 19 11:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Keeping an eye on http://isthemusicstorereadyyet.com/ :)		Mar 19 11:58
Omar87	Hi all.	Mar 19 11:58
cubezzz	hmmm, some new positive remarks about QNX	Mar 19 12:05
cubezzz	Hi Omar87	Mar 19 12:05
Omar87	cubezzz, hey!	Mar 19 12:05
cubezzz	QNX might be worth another look	Mar 19 12:05
cubezzz	closed source though :-/	Mar 19 12:06
oiaohm	QNX over it history have very few bad remarks about it.	Mar 19 12:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] 3G dongle times out after inactivity.Anyone know of an easy way to kick off a ping to keep it alive on Ubuntu,once connected in NM.		Mar 19 12:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] This is for mumbuntu machine until she gets broadband wired in..		Mar 19 12:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] pinging is going to eat a tiny amount of bandwidth, maybe I should do a ping every 60s rather than the default..		Mar 19 12:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Unsolicited Mail from #Microsoft #Canada Wants Developers to Create/Increase Government’s #Windows Lock-in http://ur1.ca/qj9e		Mar 19 12:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Suggestions include cron a ping,ping _to_ mumbuntu from my server,use if-up.d/if-down.d ..		Mar 19 13:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amazon and #Dell : Friends or Foes of #GNU #Linux ? http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/19/amazon-dell-software-patents/ trickey situation		Mar 19 13:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amazon and #Dell : Friends or Foes of #GNU #Linux ? http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/19/amazon-dell-software-patents/ tricky situation		Mar 19 13:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] The dull drone of a phone on a desk ringing silently but vibrating is annoying++		Mar 19 13:05
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schestowitz	http://paidcontent.org/article/419-nuggets-from-the-viacom-youtube-filings/	Mar 19 13:11
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MinceR	j0	Mar 19 13:15
oiaohm	New form of bootlegging schestowitz	Mar 19 13:18
oiaohm	Lot of music bootlegging in rap was starting from the players themselves to drum up sales.	Mar 19 13:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] We have received an Aleutia T1 to review for @uupc.Suggestions for tests we should run on it welcome! http://bit.ly/2sHwgl		Mar 19 13:20
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oiaohm	http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/198563.asp?source=rss The worst bit about patents.	Mar 19 13:52
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oiaohm	The chain effect.	Mar 19 13:52
schestowitz	oiaohm: maybe	Mar 19 13:53
schestowitz	oiaohm: I'm writing about it at the moment	Mar 19 13:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] People have lost track of real mistakes that #Canonical is making and instead they focus on buttons http://ur1.ca/qjmv		Mar 19 13:54
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oiaohm	schestowitz: for ms the problem is Windows 7 and 2008 could be tripple damages.	Mar 19 14:01
oiaohm	Since they knew about the patents before they released. schestowitz	Mar 19 14:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Gah! So much wrongness in one short article. How do they manage it!? http://bit.ly/96N3Zf		Mar 19 14:21
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cubezzz	first trackball:	Mar 19 14:22
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DATAR_trackball.jpg	Mar 19 14:22
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cubezzz	and yes, that is a 5 pin bowling ball :)	Mar 19 14:23
cubezzz	1950's technology	Mar 19 14:23
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krb	http://twitter.com/prcutler	Mar 19 14:30
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krb	so technically I was wrong, he's not at Novell yet	Mar 19 14:30
krb	but obviously he will be	Mar 19 14:30
krb	"Wrapping up my last day at Webroot today (packing boxes!) and then off until 4/1 when I start at Novell!"	Mar 19 14:31
krb	that GNOME guy that said Mr. Cutler didn't work for Novell was clearly disingenuous	Mar 19 14:32
krb	(I assume he was a GNOME guy anyway)	Mar 19 14:32
krb	GNOME is such a joke, they are giving power to Novell so Novell can rape them and force Mono down their throats and thereby force it down everyone elses throats	Mar 19 14:33
krb	such a joke	Mar 19 14:33
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MinceR	http://www.myextralife.com/comic/comic-different-time-just-as-bad/	Mar 19 14:36
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schestowitz	re Dell:	Mar 19 14:40
schestowitz	> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Roy Schestowitz wrote:	Mar 19 14:40
schestowitz	>	Mar 19 14:40
schestowitz	>>> If it's not 'free' then who enthused DELL to not pay the refund?	Mar 19 14:40
schestowitz	>	Mar 19 14:40
schestowitz	>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/18/dell_windows_7_free/	Mar 19 14:40
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schestowitz	>> I have a post coming.	Mar 19 14:40
schestowitz	>	Mar 19 14:40
schestowitz	> "The one that was charged to you is just for shipping and handling so	Mar 19 14:40
schestowitz	> that means you got the Windows 7 for free,"	Mar 19 14:40
schestowitz	>	Mar 19 14:40
schestowitz	> "We consider the OS part of the base config, like and other key	Mar 19 14:40
schestowitz	> components (e.g. processor, memory, etc.),"	Mar 19 14:40
schestowitz	>	Mar 19 14:40
schestowitz	> See also a comment on some companies charging a £60 'fee' for the	Mar 19 14:40
schestowitz	> refund £80 refund ....	Mar 19 14:40
schestowitz	>	Mar 19 14:40
schestowitz	> Is that actually true ?	Mar 19 14:40
MinceR	surprise surprise, dell screws their customers :>	Mar 19 14:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Those who made IRCTC - They must sentenced to 1000 year jail - #fail #f**king indian website		Mar 19 14:43
Ziomatrix	does anyone know a good channel to chat about unlocking CDMA phones?	Mar 19 14:43
Ziomatrix	meh, nvm I have been trying to get a Sprint phone I have to unlock so it can work on Verizon. VZW claims they take open handsets but apparently tech support couldn't detect the EDN and one store I went to just didn't want to handle it, maybe they thought it was stolen.	Mar 19 14:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hmm,pinging isn't stopping this ZTE-627 dongle disconnecting after a while.		Mar 19 14:46
Ziomatrix	its so hard to get reps to actually follow their own ToSs	Mar 19 14:46
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oiaohm	What generation CDMA. Ones without sims ie pre 3g. Unlocking is done by code normally under battery. Ziomatrix	Mar 19 14:46
oiaohm	Thinking the phone is never really locked.	Mar 19 14:46
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: no its a Qualcomm 3G CDMA phone, Samsung Upstage to be exact	Mar 19 14:47
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: unfortunatley US carriers have never used the R-UIM like Asian ones do	Mar 19 14:47
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: if the FTC actually did their freaking job they would	Mar 19 14:48
Ziomatrix	oops I meant FCC	Mar 19 14:48
oiaohm	Phones have a duel id.	Mar 19 14:49
oiaohm	The R-UIM and the Hardware ID.	Mar 19 14:49
oiaohm	Lot of phone for emericany can connect to towers just using the Hardware ID.	Mar 19 14:49
oiaohm	Ie operate sim less. Ziomatrix	Mar 19 14:50
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: Hardware ID, as in the Security Number or EDN/MIED	Mar 19 14:50
oiaohm	EDN/MIED	Mar 19 14:50
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: I got that but when I called up a Verizon rep who asked me for it to see if he can get access he claimed it wasn't accepted by their database	Mar 19 14:51
oiaohm	Errors do happen.	Mar 19 14:52
oiaohm	There have been cases of wrong label on wrong phone. Ziomatrix	Mar 19 14:52
oiaohm	Also there are cases of the EDN not being written in the phone either.	Mar 19 14:53
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: The phone has worked for years before with the one who gave it to me after they upgraded to a Blackberry. I am thinking because the phone is still technically locked, I read that I should be able to get the unlock code from Sprint if its old enough.	Mar 19 14:53
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: I found the EDN/MIED under Phone Info along with its FCC code in hexidecimal and long decimal	Mar 19 14:54
oiaohm	EDN/MIED of the phone should be under battery.	Mar 19 14:54
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: unfortunately with the Samsung Upstage they tried to be so hard to make it like a kind of iPod phone that it doesn't have a removable battery :P	Mar 19 14:54
oiaohm	Is the number on the casing anywhere.	Mar 19 14:55
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: nope	Mar 19 14:55
oiaohm	O bugger.	Mar 19 14:55
oiaohm	Because it would not be the first time I have found a phone in the wrong box.	Mar 19 14:55
oiaohm	Ie having all the paper work to another phone.	Mar 19 14:56
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: but the last person who had it had it working for years	Mar 19 14:56
oiaohm	Few things can have happend.	Mar 19 14:56
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: they're family and I saw them more often then not so I should know	Mar 19 14:56
oiaohm	Number 1 still locked to a carrior.	Mar 19 14:56
oiaohm	Number 2 someone reported it stolen.	Mar 19 14:56
oiaohm	Number 3 the phone has screwed up internally and it lost is EDN/MIED for good.	Mar 19 14:57
oiaohm	Number 4 you have the wrong paper work.	Mar 19 14:57
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: I would go with Number 1, since the phone is merely de-activated and probably not unlocked	Mar 19 14:57
oiaohm	Yes I have had a phone with a EDN that truely read all 0	Mar 19 14:58
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: I guess that means I have to take it to a store where they would accept running software to crack and unlock it or try to get the unlock code from the former carrier	Mar 19 14:58
oiaohm	And it was reporting as always de-activated.	Mar 19 14:58
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: so assentially they killed the phone so it can't run again? She said if I couldn't activate she would donate it to a charitable organization, they may have a hard time re-activating it too then?	Mar 19 14:59
oiaohm	Ie how is it locked does the phone interface work.	Mar 19 15:00
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: yes it does	Mar 19 15:00
oiaohm	Had to ask. Just in case it was user locked.	Mar 19 15:01
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: I even get a signal even though I know I can't call anything beyond customer service	Mar 19 15:01
oiaohm	And emergency.	Mar 19 15:01
Ziomatrix	true	Mar 19 15:01
oiaohm	That is tower side.	Mar 19 15:01
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: alright I am going to see if I can to the stores on time before the afternoon rush, luckily where I am going there is a Sprint and Verizon store on the same block. Anything else you need to tell me?	Mar 19 15:02
oiaohm	You need the right sim in the phone so you can unlock it.	Mar 19 15:03
oiaohm	Ie message must go to the right carrier to unlock the phone.	Mar 19 15:03
oiaohm	Part of what makes cracking so hard.	Mar 19 15:03
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: yea its ecspecially a PIA when you can't just use a SIM	Mar 19 15:04
oiaohm	So that phone does not take a sim.	Mar 19 15:04
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: its a North American CDMA phone	Mar 19 15:04
oiaohm	Ok pre 3g really.	Mar 19 15:05
oiaohm	It should be impossible to be connected to the wrong carrior.	Mar 19 15:05
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: well it is a 3G handset, even though its a Samsung I don't see a slot for R-UIM anywhere which North American CDMA carriers don't even use so its moot	Mar 19 15:05
oiaohm	I guess you don't have a direct to carrior tech support number.	Mar 19 15:05
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: I am looking for the one for Sprint	Mar 19 15:06
oiaohm	Here we have a number for those that auto redirects to who ever the carrior for the phone is.	Mar 19 15:06
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: ok I think I found it, its *2 for Sprint phones	Mar 19 15:07
oiaohm	Making things like this a lot simpler to solve.	Mar 19 15:07
oiaohm	North Americans are still using the pre 3g system.	Mar 19 15:07
oiaohm	I would almost bet your cdma is not encrypted either.	Mar 19 15:08
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: yea I'm on now, Customer Service couldn't do a thing so I'm being transferred to Tech Support	Mar 19 15:11
oiaohm	Note the device lock is basically a general carrier agreement to prevent phone sending messages into 2 networks side by side.	Mar 19 15:13
oiaohm	You can work out how big of mess that would be. Ziomatrix	Mar 19 15:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kodak Alleges That #Microsoft ’s #Patent Troll Bullies Companies Along With Ray Niro http://ur1.ca/qk15		Mar 19 15:15
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Ziomatrix	oiaohm: yea, Tech Support has no clue about the unlock code either :-(	Mar 19 15:18
Ziomatrix	oiaohm: I guess I am going to have to buy a data cable and unlock this mofo myself	Mar 19 15:19
oiaohm	http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2010 The list is out schestowitz	Mar 19 15:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I see @grifferz has plenty of capacity at @bitfolk. If you're looking for a VPS, take a look http://bitfolk.com/ tell them I sent you :)		Mar 19 15:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Nice article from @d0od "Why Mark Shuttleworth is right - Ubuntu is not a democracy and nor should it be" http://bit.ly/cT6d4V		Mar 19 15:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux is Not Against #SoftwarePatents (and Why Linus Torvalds Should Speak Up) http://ur1.ca/qk6m #swpat		Mar 19 15:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @popey What kind of usability study could have produced light themes? Microsoft Bob may go down as less of a trainwreck. Ignore users. :)		Mar 19 15:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I like the sound of "Meandering Marmot" for Ubuntu 10.10 :D		Mar 19 15:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] @DaemonFC Unsurprisingly given I'm not a UI or HCI expert, I have no answer.		Mar 19 15:53
schestowitz	http://identi.ca/notice/25307823 "@schestowitz no, i don't think people have forgotten that at all. the community totally dismissed that, i think buttons is code for mono"	Mar 19 15:55
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schestowitz	[re Ubuntu]	Mar 19 15:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] UKIP speaker wants to have educational vouchers to spend as people wish, this is also known as state subsidies for private schools, disaster		Mar 19 15:57
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] UKIP speaker wants to have educational vouchers to spend as people wish, this is also known as state subsidies for private schools, disaster		Mar 19 15:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @popey Light themes are, to quote Sgt. Hartman in FMJ "So ugly [they] could be a modern art masterpiece" Ubuntu Studio has a great theme.		Mar 19 15:58
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Buttons is another name for Peyote...."Magic Mushrooms", which is what inspired Light Themes :P	Mar 19 15:58
schestowitz	http://identi.ca/notice/25312262 "@schestowitz & pfft,bruce byfield lost me at "i don't like slax,but i thought i'd like this slaxbased distro and i don't b/c it's slaxbased""	Mar 19 15:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @popey The biggest complaint I have is that you broke unrelated themes by moving the window controls, otherwise make it as ugly as you want.		Mar 19 15:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @openuniverse amazon are no one's friend. anyone who builds a book reader that destroys books sets himself against society and knowledge		Mar 19 15:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @popey If I have to open up regedit (gconf-editor) to make the OS tolerable, where's my win in moving from Windows to Ubuntu?		Mar 19 16:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @popey This is just a symptom of the "We don't care, please direct all bitching to /dev/null" attitude that is growing within your ranks.		Mar 19 16:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] @DaemonFC You know we ship lots of themes, the new ones are Radiance (light) and Ambiance (Dark). I like the dark one.		Mar 19 16:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] @DaemonFC You know Lucid isn't released yet? We've just at Beta 1. Plenty of time to take feedback and act on it.		Mar 19 16:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @popey You should encourage bitching, learn, improve from it, not force stupid things on a majority of users opposed,then cite fanboy sites.		Mar 19 16:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] @DaemonFC That's the single unit of measure you use to ascertain $GOOD_OS from $BAD_OS. Man, you're easily pleased/miffed.		Mar 19 16:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] @DaemonFC That's your interpretation, and it doesn't fit with my experience.		Mar 19 16:07
DaemonFC	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sock-sniffer comes to mind	Mar 19 16:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] @DaemonFC We don't need to _encourage_ bitching. We get that by default. This is FLOSS. :D		Mar 19 16:09
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DaemonFC	Yes, this is not a democracy. In a democracy you risk getting voted off the island when you displease people.	Mar 19 16:10
DaemonFC	That can never happen when you're all paid employees.	Mar 19 16:10
DaemonFC	All the Microsoft employees behind Vista still work there, minus the ones that have voluntarily quit since then	Mar 19 16:13
DaemonFC	"We have a security team. They get to make decisions about security. You don't get to see a lot of what they see unless you're on that team." -Mark Shuttleworth (OpenSSL-Blacklist ftw!)	Mar 19 16:16
DaemonFC	They choose a security framework with no future because it's easy to write ineffective policies for it (which they punch holes in anyway to get things like Sun Java to work even though IcedTea doesn't need the exceptions)	Mar 19 16:18
DaemonFC	then they want to say that they have a competent and well oiled machine when it comes to security	Mar 19 16:18
DaemonFC	jono: The Firefox AppArmor policy is a good read if you ever want to be scared shitless	Mar 19 16:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning peeps. :-)		Mar 19 16:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] New Shot Of Jaq! The New Hacker Generation - http://is.gd/aOSAa - should we be encouraging more kids to code? join the convo! #shotofjaq		Mar 19 16:23
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DaemonFC	http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2010/03/19/2010-03-19_computer_snafu_behind_repeated_raids_on_bklyn_couples_home_the_8year_glitch.html	Mar 19 16:30
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DaemonFC	those people are nicer than I would be about it	Mar 19 16:32
DaemonFC	I'd sue to get an injunction against their "sustained and repeated harassment"	Mar 19 16:33
schestowitz	http://identi.ca/conversation/25336164#notice-25313344	Mar 19 16:34
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schestowitz	Red Hat employee...	Mar 19 16:34
schestowitz	Ubuntu is being ignorant by choice here	Mar 19 16:34
schestowitz	http://identi.ca/conversation/25339518#notice-25317319	Mar 19 16:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] #python #java #php and #basic folks should join the conversation at http://is.gd/aOSAa - how can we encourage kids to get into coding?		Mar 19 16:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: #Europe , #ACTA , #Aldi Attacked by the #MPEG Cartel, and More http://ur1.ca/qkhi		Mar 19 16:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] While you are at it peeps, join the Shot Of Jaq community in real-time at http://shotofjaq.org/chat/ #shotofjaq		Mar 19 16:51
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: Opera's HTML 5 video is smoother than Firefox's	Mar 19 16:58
DaemonFC	Firefox seems to like to skip and stutter	Mar 19 16:58
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DaemonFC	I don't know why this site is benchmarking DirectX 10 and 10.1 side by side	Mar 19 17:18
DaemonFC	all 10.1 does is make several recommended features in 10 mandatory	Mar 19 17:18
DaemonFC	oh, and adds DirectCompute 10.1 which nothing uses AFAIK	Mar 19 17:19
DaemonFC	schestowitz: They sure made a stink about DirectX 10, complete with fake screenshots, then it came out and barely looked better than DirectX 9	Mar 19 17:20
DaemonFC	you remember that?	Mar 19 17:20
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 19 17:20
DaemonFC	and all running the game in DX 10 mode gave you was a lower framerate	Mar 19 17:20
schestowitz	I didn't know Linus did a book, but I recall something vaguely. http://identi.ca/conversation/25344509#notice-25323030	Mar 19 17:24
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: yes	Mar 19 17:24
schestowitz	I said it all along	Mar 19 17:24
schestowitz	They made fake things to accentuate	Mar 19 17:24
schestowitz	False marketing	Mar 19 17:24
schestowitz	They used it to promote Vista	Mar 19 17:25
schestowitz	One could get it working on XP with .ini hacking IIRC	Mar 19 17:25
DaemonFC	well, not totally	Mar 19 17:27
DaemonFC	but good enough to use	Mar 19 17:28
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Intel managed to convince Microsoft of that GPU they were making out of CPU cores or whatever it was	Mar 19 17:29
DaemonFC	that's where DirectX now has the software renderer from	Mar 19 17:29
DaemonFC	then the GPU got canceled	Mar 19 17:29
DaemonFC	OpenGL has always been able to software render whatever the hardware lacked	Mar 19 17:29
DaemonFC	might be slow, but it was compatible	Mar 19 17:29
DaemonFC	beats not running at all	Mar 19 17:30
DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Advanced_Rasterization_Platform	Mar 19 17:33
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DaemonFC	dramatic naming	Mar 19 17:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] [OT] Facebook Ramayan #must see http://post.ly/Twlp		Mar 19 17:34
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DaemonFC	http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100319/LOCAL03/303199908/1002/LOCAL	Mar 19 17:35
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DaemonFC	lulz	Mar 19 17:35
DaemonFC	According to court documents, Harrison used the credit card to buy a variety of items at local stores, such as dog treats, fish fillets, steak burgers and a remote-controlled helicopter. He produced only partial receipts that labeled the purchases generally as ?gutters? or ?toweling.?	Mar 19 17:36
DaemonFC	nice	Mar 19 17:36
DaemonFC	schestowitz: If I ever get brought up on theft charges, it's not going to be involving an RC helicopter and dog treats	Mar 19 17:37
DaemonFC	actually, they make cat treats too, it's just little bags of catfood they sell for $3-4	Mar 19 17:38
DaemonFC	clever marketing people	Mar 19 17:38
DaemonFC	sell you a 3 ounce bag of catfood for nearly the price of a 16 pound bag	Mar 19 17:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Hires More #Mono People (Despite Sacking #SUSE Developers) http://ur1.ca/qktu #microsoft #swpat		Mar 19 17:41
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: I have a few problems with that Register article	Mar 19 17:47
schestowitz	http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/terminalrun-firefox-addon-allows-you-to.html	Mar 19 17:48
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DaemonFC	1. It's 8 years old. 2. Icaza isn't with GNOME anymore, officially, right? 3. GNOME 3 doesn't have any real Mono dependency	Mar 19 17:48
DaemonFC	I don't think you can really call Tomboy a dependency	Mar 19 17:48
DaemonFC	so I don't think the future happened like he saw it panning out	Mar 19 17:49
schestowitz	DaemonFC: which one?	Mar 19 17:49
DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/01/gnome_to_be_based/	Mar 19 17:49
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schestowitz	Oh, I see.	Mar 19 17:49
schestowitz	it's doesn't matter if Miguel is in or out	Mar 19 17:49
schestowitz	He's there by succession (by 'spirit')	Mar 19 17:50
schestowitz	Novell is Ximian inside	Mar 19 17:50
DaemonFC	and .Net isn't really that popular on Windows	Mar 19 17:50
schestowitz	DaemonFC: he wants it Moonlight based now	Mar 19 17:50
DaemonFC	I've seen about the same number of notable apps that Mono has	Mar 19 17:50
schestowitz	See his blog preaching	Mar 19 17:50
schestowitz	He wants XAML based deskto	Mar 19 17:50
schestowitz	Like he's taking orders from Redmond	Mar 19 17:50
schestowitz	What popular programs on WIn32 use .NET?	Mar 19 17:51
DaemonFC	XP was also supposed to be XAML-based	Mar 19 17:51
schestowitz	Was it????	Mar 19 17:51
schestowitz	XP predates it, no?	Mar 19 17:51
DaemonFC	no	Mar 19 17:51
schestowitz	Avalon?	Mar 19 17:51
schestowitz	Oh	Mar 19 17:51
DaemonFC	Avalon was vaporware	Mar 19 17:51
schestowitz	.NET	Mar 19 17:51
schestowitz	I though you meant XAML	Mar 19 17:51
DaemonFC	it's called WPF now and nothing uses it	Mar 19 17:51
schestowitz	Not .NET	Mar 19 17:51
schestowitz	DaemonFC: Yahoo! tries it temporarily	Mar 19 17:52
DaemonFC	Yahoo experimented with WPF with a special build of Messenger	Mar 19 17:52
schestowitz	Anyway, Microsoft needs Miguel to spread XAML	Mar 19 17:52
DaemonFC	gave up on it cause WPF is bloated and hard to develop for	Mar 19 17:52
schestowitz	That's why he preaches for Moon Lie garbage	Mar 19 17:52
schestowitz	I gotta go for a bit	Mar 19 17:52
schestowitz	bbl	Mar 19 17:52
schestowitz	Yes, messenger	Mar 19 17:52
schestowitz	Looks OK	Mar 19 17:52
schestowitz	Not heard of it since 07/8	Mar 19 17:53
DaemonFC	they went back to the standard Win32 builds they always used	Mar 19 17:53
DaemonFC	they couldn't get the feature level they wanted out of WPF	Mar 19 17:53
DaemonFC	There's two programs I can name that people use that are .Net based, CDBurnerXP which sucks	Mar 19 17:54
DaemonFC	and Paint.Net which sucks	Mar 19 17:54
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I went to burn a DVD in CDBurnerXP and ran out of RAM and crashed while I was in the other room	Mar 19 17:55
DaemonFC	it ballooned to take all free memory on that system (4 GB) and got so slow I had to hold in the power button	Mar 19 17:55
DaemonFC	yeah, not the best application ever	Mar 19 17:55
DaemonFC	jono can tell you that most things in Ubuntu don't do that (yet), but GNOME shell causes kernel errors and it is coming	Mar 19 17:56
DaemonFC	:D	Mar 19 17:56
DaemonFC	some of the lockups are caused because the open source ATI drivers don't like GNOME shell's compositor	Mar 19 17:57
DaemonFC	so it's not strictly Ubuntu incompetence at work	Mar 19 17:57
DaemonFC	"When Microsoft ships 1.0 we're not going to be shipping Mono1.0 for at least a year. So we're late. If they make changes to the API we'll try and track it down."	Mar 19 17:58
DaemonFC	Some things never change I guess.	Mar 19 17:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This is a bad article. It doesn't actually say anything about the migration. http://ur1.ca/qkxz What a mess.		Mar 19 17:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another bad article compares a program/kernel to a distro: http://ur1.ca/qky9 Funny.		Mar 19 18:00
DaemonFC	jono: From a strictly technical point of view. What's the point of Mono? What's the point of chasing .Net around like a dog chasing a car?	Mar 19 18:00
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DaemonFC	What does the dog do when it catches the car?	Mar 19 18:00
Aondo	"Linux is based on the Linux Kernel, which was written by Linus Torvalds. Ubuntu, on the other hand, was based on the Linux system,"	Mar 19 18:03
Aondo	hehe	Mar 19 18:03
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accidentalbits	does anyone know an illuminating article/source on the recent Amazon-Microsoft agreement?	Mar 19 18:06
schestowitz	Krill is till help the MS astroturf. http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/031810-microsoft-says-its-contentious-relationship.html	Mar 19 18:12
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schestowitz	accidentalbits: we have some	Mar 19 18:12
schestowitz	and links to others	Mar 19 18:12
accidentalbits	schestowitz, great - would you care to post a starter link, so I could do some further research on my own?	Mar 19 18:16
accidentalbits	I'm especially in interested in how this deal affects linux and Amazon's server business...	Mar 19 18:19
DaemonFC	it doesn't	Mar 19 18:19
DaemonFC	likely what happened is they "paid" Microsoft money, Microsoft turned around and "paid" them twice as much	Mar 19 18:20
DaemonFC	and Amazon says publicly that Linux infringes and they have a license to use it	Mar 19 18:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Did the RMT disaffiliate from the Labour Party or were they thrown out as a bbc reporter just said? Think the beeb may be wrong on this one.		Mar 19 18:22
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Did the RMT disaffiliate from the Labour Party or were they thrown out as a bbc reporter just said? Think the beeb may be wrong on this one.		Mar 19 18:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @newz2000: @jonobacon would you help tell people that this is the last weekend to submit countdown banner ideas? http://is.gd/aOVRJ		Mar 19 18:24
accidentalbits	DaemonFC, but I read somewhere that this deal is part of an overall fud strategy to undermine linux - if so, how would this work?	Mar 19 18:26
schestowitz	accidentalbits: sure, hold om	Mar 19 18:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Popping on Carnifex's 'Dead In My Arms' - saw these guys in Santa Cruz a while back, awesome deathcore band. :-)		Mar 19 18:27
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/23/amazon-racketeering/	Mar 19 18:28
DaemonFC	http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20000793-56.html?tag=rb_content;tabbedPromoUnitHolder	Mar 19 18:28
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/24/linux-foundation-re-amazon/	Mar 19 18:28
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phIRCe-BNc	http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/24/linux-foundation-re-amazon/	Mar 19 18:28
schestowitz	DaemonFC: you feed the Fried	Mar 19 18:28
schestowitz	Microsoft PR	Mar 19 18:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] 27 Ubuntu Global Jam events, let's get it up to 30 today! I will tweet each new event as it is organized - http://is.gd/aL34y #ubuntu		Mar 19 18:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I have two awesome opportunities coming up for a few Ubuntu members...more soon...		Mar 19 18:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Turns out RMT started supporting other parties financially, before they left they were expelled BBC were accurate. Not whole story though.		Mar 19 18:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] My Bro: ‘Green’ car could take the grind out of commuting (From The Northern Echo): http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/3120596/5065540 :-)		Mar 19 18:38
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: Why is Asa Dotzler cheering IE?	Mar 19 18:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Also my brother: JournalLive - News - Today's News - Caffeine fuelled car travels 250 miles: http://bit.ly/9iV02r - Go Bacon!		Mar 19 18:39
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accidentalbits	schestowitz, thanks a lot!	Mar 19 18:40
DaemonFC	"AMD is working with multiple teams at Microsoft to ensure that technologies such as IE and Silverlight continue to move the PC platform forward."	Mar 19 18:41
*DaemonFC cringes		Mar 19 18:41
schestowitz	[18:20] <DaemonFC> likely what happened is they "paid" Microsoft money, Microsoft turned around and "paid" them twice as much	Mar 19 18:42
schestowitz	Bollox, DaemonFOX	Mar 19 18:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just found a note book belonging to Sophie (6) in it is 'mum and dad wii' then our 4 digit pin number!		Mar 19 18:43
schestowitz	http://customers.redhat.com/category/industry/government/	Mar 19 18:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @mberry Puttnam: 8-16 year olds don't believe in copyright. Industries don't succeed by criminalising their potential customers		Mar 19 18:48
schestowitz	http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/tony_collins/2010/03/confidential-report-on-summary.html	Mar 19 18:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] She fessed up that she saw mum put the code in, and made a note of it. Told her we're not at all cross, but she's upset she was found out.		Mar 19 18:51
schestowitz	Moody accused also by others in comment of helping Microsoft FUD: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?blogid=14&entryid=2860	Mar 19 19:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Gorefest's 'Rise To Ruin' rocks Castle Bacon on this sunny day in californ-i-a. :-)		Mar 19 19:03
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schestowitz	http://getavote.org/pages/main/home	Mar 19 19:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] One has to be careful of the sort of 'monopoly' on OSS licence 'stats' from Mirosoft-souced company, #blackduck . (dis)info is power		Mar 19 19:16
DaemonFC	heh, the local mental health center does hypnosis	Mar 19 19:16
DaemonFC	it would be nice to have a prescription pad	Mar 19 19:18
DaemonFC	health insurance or none, those assholes don't need to be paid $70 to refill a $4 bottle of pills	Mar 19 19:18
schestowitz	http://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/03/16/al-jazeera-adds-live-streaming-to-mobile-website-and-makes-iphone-apps-free/	Mar 19 19:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Check out this <video> implementation with nifty widgets. Very clever. http://www.html5video.org/		Mar 19 19:28
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schestowitz	http://gigaom.com/2010/03/18/facebook-co-founder-launches-new-startup/	Mar 19 19:28
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: I brought up the suggestion that a group of residents of this town gather up and sue the Clerk-Treasurer	Mar 19 19:33
DaemonFC	the state law says that she is responsible for about $7,000 in IRS penalties for late filings of W-2 forms for town employees	Mar 19 19:34
DaemonFC	but she used town money to pay the fines	Mar 19 19:34
DaemonFC	and the mayor is covering her	Mar 19 19:34
DaemonFC	that group is all class	Mar 19 19:35
DaemonFC	Glad to know I pay taxes so it can cover IRS penalties that she could have avoided by filing the papers 1 day earlier on two occasions	Mar 19 19:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Want to come and work on my team as an intern? Docs writer and web dev roles available! http://is.gd/aP7mt #ubuntu		Mar 19 19:40
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DaemonFC	jono: Three things are certain: Death, taxes and lost data. Guess which has occurred.	Mar 19 19:43
DaemonFC	there's your documentation	Mar 19 19:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Máirín Duffy is annoyingly brilliant: I wish I had 1/10 of her talent. See her great Fedora/GIMP/Inkscape work: http://mairin.wordpress.com		Mar 19 19:48
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DaemonFC	hey jono, guess what I went and did	Mar 19 19:48
DaemonFC	I bought a current GPU and set the clock of open source support back another year	Mar 19 19:48
DaemonFC	son of a bitch, huh?	Mar 19 19:48
jono	DaemonFC, lol	Mar 19 19:49
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DaemonFC	I'll be in the nursing home and get the good news that my old 4670 has full support	Mar 19 19:49
DaemonFC	just in time to delete the driver cause it's too old	Mar 19 19:49
DaemonFC	jono: It may sound comical. But it's so true isn't it? They write support for things at such a rate to where nobody has one anymore by the time the driver works reliably.	Mar 19 19:50
jono	DaemonFC, hehe, the pace of technology	Mar 19 19:51
DaemonFC	then they proceed to delete the 100,000 lines of code they wrote to support it	Mar 19 19:51
DaemonFC	no really, the red lines are staggering	Mar 19 19:51
DaemonFC	after it took THAT LONG to have a driver	Mar 19 19:51
DaemonFC	so jono, do you figure that proprietary drivers will be the only practical, workable solution, forever and ever, until the end of time? :)	Mar 19 19:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Live Severed Fifth in the studio videocast recording at 6pm Pacific today. Be there! http://is.gd/aP8kc #severedfifth		Mar 19 19:53
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DaemonFC	It's hard to see what's going on for drivers and with Mesa and not be cynical	Mar 19 19:53
DaemonFC	:(	Mar 19 19:53
DaemonFC	Mesa supports OpenGL 2.0 on RadeonHDs currently, OpenGL is at version 4 with reasonable expectation of 3.2 support for another year	Mar 19 19:54
DaemonFC	OpenGL 2 was out in 2004	Mar 19 19:54
jono	DaemonFC, nope, we will get free drivers	Mar 19 19:54
jono	but that is a complex industry to transform	Mar 19 19:54
DaemonFC	it predates Windows Vista by 2 years	Mar 19 19:54
jono	we have made great progress though	Mar 19 19:54
jono	it was waaaaay worse ten years ago	Mar 19 19:54
DaemonFC	yeah, 10 years ago you were lucky if there was a proprietary driver	Mar 19 19:55
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DaemonFC	you'd be using Vesa and framebuffering	Mar 19 19:55
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DaemonFC	I was going to say, the first time I booted into Linux was a jolt	Mar 19 19:56
DaemonFC	my modem didn't work, my Voodoo 2 didn't work (my expensive Voodoo 2!)	Mar 19 19:57
DaemonFC	it still used ext2 for the file system	Mar 19 19:57
DaemonFC	so here I was with no internet, framebuffer vesa for my expensive GPU, and on a non-robust operating system that lagged considerably	Mar 19 19:58
DaemonFC	Linux was really a beast and had no driver then	Mar 19 19:58
DaemonFC	compared to around 1998, everything on Linux today works flawlessly	Mar 19 19:59
DaemonFC	God himself came down and spoke it into existence	Mar 19 19:59
DaemonFC	no more "Hey, I'm some random guy that made these Winmodem drivers, they crash the system randomly, lulz"	Mar 19 20:00
DaemonFC	that alone is terrific	Mar 19 20:00
schestowitz	http://identi.ca/notice/25339221 "@schestowitz seems to be a theme with you, but then it always seems to be for the best of reasons too :) loving boycottnovell."	Mar 19 20:01
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DaemonFC	jono: I think one of the things that impressed me about Mesa is how generic most of it is. The vast majority of the OpenGL drivers for example don't care what you card model is.	Mar 19 20:01
DaemonFC	You can kind of tell they are a small team and have to work efficiently and that work has to carry over as much as possible.	Mar 19 20:02
jono	DaemonFC, yeah	Mar 19 20:02
DaemonFC	and for what they have to support and how they support it, for most of it to work better than the proprietary drivers is incredible	Mar 19 20:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @JustMeAmber: Don't forget about Ada Lovelace Day - http://is.gd/aP8gc - #ubuntuwomen #ubuntu		Mar 19 20:03
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DaemonFC	it's just that the full OpenGL support isn't there, if it was, Mesa would be the most monumental feat ever	Mar 19 20:03
DaemonFC	in my opinion anyway	Mar 19 20:03
DaemonFC	10,000 years from now, Mesa might be like the Great Pyramid of Giza	Mar 19 20:04
DaemonFC	space aliens obviously inspired it	Mar 19 20:04
schestowitz	http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article7043933.ece	Mar 19 20:08
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Mandela asks Clarkson, how was the moon? - Times Online .::. Size~: 105.38 KB	Mar 19 20:08
DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOPS#Cost_of_computing	Mar 19 20:11
phIRCe-BNc	Title: FLOPS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 84.7 KB	Mar 19 20:11
DaemonFC	nice	Mar 19 20:11
schestowitz	The guys who migrate Munich to Linux read BN :-D	Mar 19 20:11
DaemonFC	Nvidia's Tesla vaporware continues to not impress me	Mar 19 20:13
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 19 20:13
schestowitz	vapour?	Mar 19 20:13
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DaemonFC	errr, Fermi	Mar 19 20:13
schestowitz	Needs more cooling	Mar 19 20:13
DaemonFC	why did I say Tesla?	Mar 19 20:13
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Yes, vapor	Mar 19 20:14
DaemonFC	exactly what I said	Mar 19 20:14
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 19 20:14
DaemonFC	They still have no DX 11 cards	Mar 19 20:14
DaemonFC	that has to be killing them right now	Mar 19 20:14
schestowitz	jono: you pay Michael?	Mar 19 20:15
schestowitz	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=pts_phoromatic_10&num=1	Mar 19 20:15
phIRCe-BNc	Title: [Phoronix] Bam! Phoromatic 1.0 Unleashed & Ubuntu Joins The Party .::. Size~: 21.13 KB	Mar 19 20:15
schestowitz	I remember the days when Phoronix used Fedora as standard	Mar 19 20:15
jono	schestowitz Michael who?	Mar 19 20:16
schestowitz	MinceR: http://www.seriouseats.com/2010/03/how-to-make-a-steve-jobs-cheese-head.html	Mar 19 20:16
phIRCe-BNc	Title: How to Make a Steve Jobs Cheese Head \| Serious Eats .::. Size~: 38.23 KB	Mar 19 20:16
schestowitz	Bon appetite	Mar 19 20:16
schestowitz	jono: Larabel	Mar 19 20:16
jono	schestowitz erm, not familiar with him	Mar 19 20:17
schestowitz	What a waste of cheese on that cake	Mar 19 20:17
MinceR	schestowitz: not appetizing at all	Mar 19 20:17
schestowitz	Exactly	Mar 19 20:17
schestowitz	Bristles	Mar 19 20:17
schestowitz	Not evoking hunger	Mar 19 20:17
MinceR	also, looks like an evil cult leader	Mar 19 20:17
MinceR	and the glasses are inedible	Mar 19 20:17
schestowitz	You can smash it with a chair then	Mar 19 20:18
schestowitz	Like StevB does	Mar 19 20:18
MinceR	i'd rather smash the real thing	Mar 19 20:18
schestowitz	MinceR: you can break them to piece, then have them run through the bowels OK	Mar 19 20:18
schestowitz	*ces	Mar 19 20:18
schestowitz	MinceR: no, you can't	Mar 19 20:18
schestowitz	Also, it's not cheesy	Mar 19 20:19
MinceR	oh yes it is	Mar 19 20:19
schestowitz	http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Marvell-Moby/	Mar 19 20:19
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Marvell promises $100 tablet for students - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 61.3 KB	Mar 19 20:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This is just disgusting, IMHO: http://www.seriouseats.com/2010/03/how-to-make-a-steve-jobs-cheese-head.html		Mar 19 20:20
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: BRAINS!!!!!!!!!	Mar 19 20:21
DaemonFC	UNNNNNNNGGGGHHHH!!!!	Mar 19 20:21
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 19 20:21
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sebsebseb	Great read and no direct link since comments http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010031800335OPDT	Mar 19 20:22
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MinceR	(animated) http://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=373885930	Mar 19 20:22
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MinceR	brains!	Mar 19 20:22
DaemonFC	MinceR: wtf is that?	Mar 19 20:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @beranger_v4 So, Ubuntu is the most innovative distro because it took 6 yrs to change from brown to purple & Mark moved the controls?		Mar 19 20:24
schestowitz	load average: 8.33, 5.65, 4.01	Mar 19 20:24
schestowitz	BN is having load issues these days...	Mar 19 20:24
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MinceR	an animgif made of blood screenshots, apparently	Mar 19 20:24
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schestowitz	sebsebseb: it's not a great read	Mar 19 20:26
MinceR	http://failblog.org/2010/03/09/epic-fail-photos-church-sign-fail-3/	Mar 19 20:29
sebsebseb	schestowitz: oh?	Mar 19 20:29
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Church Sign Fail - FAIL Blog: Epic Fail Pictures and Videos of Owned, Pwnd and Fail Moments .::. Size~: 560.16 KB	Mar 19 20:29
schestowitz	sebsebseb: the headline is a misfit	Mar 19 20:30
schestowitz	Like Daily Mail	Mar 19 20:30
sebsebseb	schestowitz: How so?	Mar 19 20:30
schestowitz	MinceR: apropos, from this morning (related to Fail Blog URL): http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/03/19/on-atheism/	Mar 19 20:30
phIRCe-BNc	Title: schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » I am NOT an atheist .::. Size~: 32.11 KB	Mar 19 20:30
schestowitz	sebsebseb: not best description to make the point	Mar 19 20:30
schestowitz	The title wants you to think "Linux fails on the desktop"	Mar 19 20:31
schestowitz	To draw you in	Mar 19 20:31
schestowitz	Better to make descriptive long summaries	Mar 19 20:31
schestowitz	BN titles I made very long	Mar 19 20:31
schestowitz	Sometimes longer than the description. It also makes it easier for me to find those articles later	Mar 19 20:32
MinceR	i think there's a positive aspect to atheism: belief that no gods exist	Mar 19 20:32
MinceR	:>	Mar 19 20:32
schestowitz	"Moving to a mainframe in this day and age is beyond comprehension. He moved from a locked in software environment to a locked in hardware environment." http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-03-19-009-35-IN-DP-0003	Mar 19 20:34
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schestowitz	MinceR: Isn't atheism the believe that no Sun exists?	Mar 19 20:34
schestowitz	*lief	Mar 19 20:34
schestowitz	You know, the Sun that goes 'around' up for the purpose of growing food for /us/?	Mar 19 20:35
MinceR	wouldn't that be ahelism?	Mar 19 20:35
schestowitz	*us	Mar 19 20:35
schestowitz	MinceR: Don't know...	Mar 19 20:35
schestowitz	But anyway, denial is not a description of something	Mar 19 20:35
schestowitz	It's like, let's take an historian	Mar 19 20:35
schestowitz	We could call him anti-Greek	Mar 19 20:35
MinceR	if he meets a greek, they annihilate together?	Mar 19 20:36
schestowitz	Greeks rejectionist	Mar 19 20:36
schestowitz	Here's how I see it	Mar 19 20:36
schestowitz	There are normal people	Mar 19 20:36
schestowitz	Then there's the odd type	Mar 19 20:36
schestowitz	The one that puts mystique on top of reality	Mar 19 20:36
schestowitz	It can be astrology	Mar 19 20:36
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schestowitz	Believing the Mars' gravity makes impact on a baby	Mar 19 20:37
schestowitz	When the doctor who delivers the baby actually has more gravitational power on the baby than Mars has	Mar 19 20:37
schestowitz	So fine...	Mar 19 20:37
schestowitz	If something wants to believe it	Mar 19 20:37
schestowitz	If someone walks into an interview and insists Elvis is still alive, he delegitimises himself on the spot	Mar 19 20:37
schestowitz	Not the same if he believes in angels though	Mar 19 20:38
schestowitz	Which I find rather absurd frankly	Mar 19 20:38
schestowitz	IOW, science can be normalised and supernational be treated -- not just perceived -- as a fringe phenomenon	Mar 19 20:38
schestowitz	*supernatural	Mar 19 20:39
schestowitz	LOL http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-03-19-009-35-IN-DP-0002	Mar 19 20:39
schestowitz	"	Mar 19 20:39
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Linux Today - Allianz CIO 'lost hair' over Linux upgrade .::. Size~: 72.77 KB	Mar 19 20:39
schestowitz	"Allianz will also move from IBM's Lotus Notes to Microsoft Outlook next year"	Mar 19 20:39
schestowitz	That may be even worse for CIOs hair, I'm afraid.	Mar 19 20:39
schestowitz	"	Mar 19 20:39
schestowitz	http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/features/article.php/3871416/Google-Denied-Trademark-for-Nexus-One.htm	Mar 19 20:40
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Google Denied Trademark for Nexus One — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 65.15 KB	Mar 19 20:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Is "Trademark" a trademark?		Mar 19 20:41
MinceR	http://failblog.org/2010/03/07/lease-fail/	Mar 19 20:41
phIRCe-BNc	Title: The economy is hitting us all pretty hard - FAIL Blog: Epic Fail Pictures and Videos of Owned, Pwnd and Fail Moments .::. Size~: 269.05 KB	Mar 19 20:41
schestowitz	Buy Ubuntu.	Mar 19 20:42
schestowitz	http://www.fewt.com/2010/03/bye-ubuntu-it-could-have-been-fun-but.html	Mar 19 20:42
phIRCe-BNc	Title: fewt@blog:~$ _: Bye Ubuntu, it could have been fun .. but it wasn't .::. Size~: 123.6 KB	Mar 19 20:42
MinceR	you misspelled "bye"	Mar 19 20:42
schestowitz	I know	Mar 19 20:42
schestowitz	I was talking for Ballmer	Mar 19 20:42
schestowitz	MinceR: nice chack	Mar 19 20:43
schestowitz	*shack	Mar 19 20:43
schestowitz	Does he do kinky stuff?	Mar 19 20:43
schestowitz	Like poll dancing on a cross?	Mar 19 20:43
schestowitz	:-p	Mar 19 20:43
schestowitz	"For lease" can also means slavery	Mar 19 20:43
MinceR	i think he's way too dead to do that ;)	Mar 19 20:43
schestowitz	But anyway...	Mar 19 20:43
schestowitz	MinceR: no	Mar 19 20:44
schestowitz	He was resurrected	Mar 19 20:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Oooh, a 'please come back to us' letter from LoveFilm.com		Mar 19 20:44
schestowitz	Flew up to space	Mar 19 20:44
MinceR	yeah, right	Mar 19 20:44
schestowitz	We can't find him yet	Mar 19 20:44
schestowitz	We have some decent radio telescopes though	Mar 19 20:44
schestowitz	Maybe he ascended tangentially to the Sun's direction	Mar 19 20:45
schestowitz	Sun=God	Mar 19 20:45
schestowitz	Also giant ball of gas	Mar 19 20:45
MinceR	plasma, actually :>	Mar 19 20:45
schestowitz	20 million degrees celcius at the core	Mar 19 20:45
schestowitz	The thing is, nothing we have can visit the sun	Mar 19 20:45
schestowitz	It gets gassed before it even approaches the surface	Mar 19 20:45
schestowitz	And in black hole there's spaghettificatuion because oft he gravity	Mar 19 20:46
schestowitz	MinceR: maybe that's why resurrection takes a while	Mar 19 20:46
schestowitz	Needs the right angle to reach the Sun	Mar 19 20:46
schestowitz	NASA also times the launch based on angles	Mar 19 20:47
MinceR	so heaven is in the sun?	Mar 19 20:47
schestowitz	Shuttleworth left the atmosphere. Few people ever did this.	Mar 19 20:47
schestowitz	He went with the Soviets	Mar 19 20:47
schestowitz	Surely proof that Linux is commie plot	Mar 19 20:48
schestowitz	MinceR: I wasn't claiming that the Sun is heaven	Mar 19 20:48
schestowitz	I was explaining the absence of a rotten body circulating in order, high enough in altitude above fluffy clouds	Mar 19 20:48
MinceR	:)	Mar 19 20:49
schestowitz	*order->orbit	Mar 19 20:49
MinceR	bodies tend to disintegrate after so much time	Mar 19 20:49
schestowitz	Without atmosphere?	Mar 19 20:49
MinceR	dunno	Mar 19 20:49
schestowitz	NASA sends its redundant ships out to space with discs	Mar 19 20:49
schestowitz	They put some images on them	Mar 19 20:49
schestowitz	Uncompressed	Mar 19 20:49
MinceR	but i doubt they could launch the body out of the atmosphere back then	Mar 19 20:50
schestowitz	Hoping that some other life form might find them before it's disintegrated	Mar 19 20:50
schestowitz	That was in the 70s anyway, maybe 80s	Mar 19 20:50
schestowitz	MinceR: who's they?	Mar 19 20:50
sebsebseb	Right now for some links I went on last night!	Mar 19 20:51
MinceR	the jews? :>	Mar 19 20:51
schestowitz	http://www.itworld.com/security/101550/dont-trust-web-address	Mar 19 20:51
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MinceR	or perhaps the romans (allegedly)	Mar 19 20:51
schestowitz	MinceR: I think it flies autonomously	Mar 19 20:52
sebsebseb	Nice one BBC for mentioning that it's Windows computers that become part of Botnets http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8570993.stm	Mar 19 20:52
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schestowitz	Or maybe just the soul	Mar 19 20:52
schestowitz	Does the scripture claim the actual carcass comes to life and goes 'up'	Mar 19 20:52
schestowitz	?	Mar 19 20:52
schestowitz	Or just the vacuum [aka soul]?	Mar 19 20:52
MinceR	dunno	Mar 19 20:53
sebsebseb	Yes Opera is closed source, but it's been around years, and is a browser that follows web standards properly unlike Internet Explorer, and so this is rather good news for them, and the web I guess. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8574883.stm	Mar 19 20:54
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sebsebseb	Yeah yeah, people should set secure passwords for their accounts. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8574259.stm	Mar 19 20:55
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sebsebseb	More anti file sharing blah de blah, however this one has the thing against the how it could cost billions in the UK by 2015 as well. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8573162.stm	Mar 19 20:57
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schestowitz	http://www.enterprisemobiletoday.com/news/article.php/3871761/Droids-Android-21-Update-Halted.htm	Mar 19 20:59
sebsebseb	The UK is the best in the EU when it comes to dealing with a cyber attack? That doesn't seem correct to me. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8573152.stm Take opensource/freesoftware and open standards, the UK is behind counteries such as Germeny at adopting it.	Mar 19 20:59
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schestowitz	sebsebseb: UK talks about the UK	Mar 19 21:00
schestowitz	No bias here	Mar 19 21:00
schestowitz	No-one could help when BN was under DDOS attacks for dayd	Mar 19 21:00
schestowitz	*days	Mar 19 21:00
schestowitz	Why link so much to the BBC?	Mar 19 21:01
schestowitz	it's propaganda	Mar 19 21:01
sebsebseb	schestowitz: yep	Mar 19 21:01
schestowitz	They parrot BPI's lies	Mar 19 21:01
schestowitz	No questions asked	Mar 19 21:01
schestowitz	"Illegal-file sharing could 'cost billions' by 2015"	Mar 19 21:01
sebsebseb	schestowitz: someone else told me that I guess again that BBC is proganda	Mar 19 21:01
sebsebseb	he thinks all main stream news is though	Mar 19 21:01
schestowitz	They don't even attribute in the headline	Mar 19 21:01
sebsebseb	also he thinks the UK is a police state, since the amount of CCTV cameras, that we have	Mar 19 21:01
*WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulf		Mar 19 21:01
schestowitz	It should say that the gangsters say this and it's a lie	Mar 19 21:01
schestowitz	sebsebseb: it is	Mar 19 21:01
schestowitz	There was a survey recentky	Mar 19 21:02
schestowitz	Saying 60% of media is PR	Mar 19 21:02
schestowitz	propaganda =pR	Mar 19 21:02
sebsebseb	someone else told me that kind of thing last night again yeah.	Mar 19 21:02
schestowitz	"Microsoft Choice screen" LOL	Mar 19 21:03
schestowitz	Microsoft and choice in the same sentence	Mar 19 21:03
schestowitz	What spin	Mar 19 21:03
schestowitz	They got punished	Mar 19 21:03
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: By the way when I read stuff on the BBC News site these days/years, I don't tend to like those articles much, there tends to always be something.	Mar 19 21:04
sebsebseb	schestowitz: Even so though I will sometimes see what's on the site still.	Mar 19 21:04
schestowitz	http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2010/03/laptops-sit-idle.html	Mar 19 21:05
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: That Blog of Helios stuff uhmm	Mar 19 21:05
schestowitz	BBC has good stuff sometimes	Mar 19 21:05
sebsebseb	schestowitz: yeah the people who give Mint to kids	Mar 19 21:05
schestowitz	I had a chat with a friend about it yesterday	Mar 19 21:05
schestowitz	Their documentaries can be very good	Mar 19 21:06
sebsebseb	schestowitz: Thing is with that Helios or whatever, I read comments that were by him, to articles and such before. and I didn't like what I read	Mar 19 21:06
sebsebseb	schestowitz: I have read some of their stuff on the web, and didn't like it.	Mar 19 21:06
sebsebseb	schestowitz: well that main streame media is proganda guy, would say stuff like their documenteries are media conditioning, since that's someoe who belives in NWO.	Mar 19 21:08
schestowitz	http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100318144915243	Mar 19 21:09
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schestowitz	'would say stuff like their documenteries are media conditioning, "	Mar 19 21:10
schestowitz	Is that what someone told you?	Mar 19 21:10
schestowitz	What they can and cannot do is change what people perceive as topics that are importany	Mar 19 21:10
schestowitz	And shape the story badly	Mar 19 21:10
schestowitz	Like this: http://boycottnovell.com/2010/02/04/bbc-net-propaganda/	Mar 19 21:10
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Why does the #CIA hate america and our troops? http://ur1.ca/qk33 #internet #douchebags		Mar 19 21:12
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #ACTA is clearly an act of international #terrorism http://ur1.ca/qlze		Mar 19 21:12
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Tatoo of Dr Teeth and the Electric Mayhem http://ur1.ca/qm05 #awesome		Mar 19 21:12
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: Hrm it's been updated, lastnight/thismorning at the begining of this one, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8572809.stm it was, She said	Mar 19 21:13
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: That's one about Tim Berners-Lee by the way	Mar 19 21:13
schestowitz	http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/cnews/article.php/12035_3871696_2/Tech-Comics-Social-Networking-vs-Life.htm	Mar 19 21:13
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: Wanting goverments to open up public data to their citizens.	Mar 19 21:15
sebsebseb	schestowitz: Yeah the media conditing stuff, and what not, people who belive in "the elite" people who are at the very top controling the goverments and companies and so on. Also apparantly they will soon want to start killing us off.	Mar 19 21:17
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Peter Watts found guilty of being abused and having his rights violated http://ur1.ca/qm0a #wtf #douchebags		Mar 19 21:17
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: Yes things are starting to become a lot more about control these days, but that there's a group of people at the very top, controlling the goverments, and main streame media, and so on, I don't belive that.	Mar 19 21:20
schestowitz	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/03/week-in-tech-ad-blocking-whitelisting-and-privacy.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss	Mar 19 21:21
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schestowitz	Check out sidebars	Mar 19 21:22
schestowitz	They do subs now	Mar 19 21:22
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] LHC hits new energy output record http://ur1.ca/qm1q !science		Mar 19 21:22
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schestowitz	http://boingboing.net/2009/12/11/dr-peter-watts-canad.html	Mar 19 21:23
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schestowitz	2 years in prison...	Mar 19 21:24
schestowitz	I wonder what the other side has to say	Mar 19 21:24
schestowitz	Maybe there's something he ain't telling	Mar 19 21:24
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Munich having trouble moving to !Linux, summary: idiot users refuse to learn, massive #Microsoft intentional lock-in http://ur1.ca/qltz		Mar 19 21:27
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: ok the link you gave right, but are the videos stil there or something?	Mar 19 21:27
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Jon Stewart immitates #GlennBeck http://ur1.ca/qm2v #awesome		Mar 19 21:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Putting on a spot of Here Comes The Kraken's self-titled album.		Mar 19 21:39
*WireWulf is now known as WireWulf-away		Mar 19 21:48
schestowitz	http://www.techwatch.co.uk/2010/03/18/new-vice-chair-for-pact/ "Novell Entertainment"?	Mar 19 21:50
schestowitz	This brand is news to me	Mar 19 21:50
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schestowitz	http://identi.ca/notice/25342053 "@schestowitz i cannot STAND zdnet. "trolling since 1995" not enough people know what i mean about this"	Mar 19 22:03
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schestowitz	MinceR: http://identi.ca/conversation/25365314#notice-25343963 "@schestowitz and leave it on steve ballmer's desk, next to one of darl mcbride :)"	Mar 19 22:04
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schestowitz	He thought like we did.... Ballme with a Cheesy Jobs	Mar 19 22:04
MinceR	:)	Mar 19 22:04
schestowitz	http://identi.ca/conversation/25365314#notice-25343963	Mar 19 22:04
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schestowitz	Oops.	Mar 19 22:04
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schestowitz	zoobab: http://www.lawdit.co.uk/reading_room/room/view_article.asp?name=../articles/5225-Software-patents.htm	Mar 19 22:06
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schestowitz	Wow. Look at Jose going in the comments: http://www.cio-weblog.com/50226711/an_embarrassment_of_patents.php	Mar 19 22:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Never ceases to amaze me how many glass-half-empty people there are in the Open Source community. Feels like a Tom Clancy novel at times. :)		Mar 19 22:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @jonobacon What are you insinuating? :-)		Mar 19 22:20
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Omar87	Hi all.	Mar 19 22:21
Omar87	schestowitz, hey!	Mar 19 22:21
schestowitz	Hey man!	Mar 19 22:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @omar_s_hafez misintepretation from @jonobacon IMHO		Mar 19 22:22
schestowitz	http://www.katonda.com/blog/899/get-ready-google-tv-its-linux-too	Mar 19 22:22
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Omar87	schestowitz, check out these pathetic creatures, for example. http://baraahomari.blogspot.com/	Mar 19 22:22
MinceR	hay Omar87	Mar 19 22:22
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Omar87	MinceR, hey!	Mar 19 22:22
MinceR	i think jono's insinuating that we should let our guard down so that m$ can stab us in the back :>	Mar 19 22:23
Omar87	Baraah Omari is a friend of mine, who knows NOTHING in life other that the Microsoft spoon of cereals that they feed her.	Mar 19 22:24
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schestowitz	Don't say "pathetic creatures"	Mar 19 22:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Best media player. Ever: http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.3.0 Never crashes		Mar 19 22:25
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schestowitz	Don't let an OS get b/w you and friends	Mar 19 22:25
schestowitz	Educate them	Mar 19 22:25
schestowitz	Show her Fedora 13+KDE 4.4 live CD	Mar 19 22:25
MinceR	or destroy that "OS"	Mar 19 22:25
schestowitz	Then she'd realise Microsoft has trouble	Mar 19 22:25
jono	MinceR, heh	Mar 19 22:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @schestowitz I hope so. :-)		Mar 19 22:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] For my glass-half-empty friends: http://is.gd/aPj8g :-)		Mar 19 22:26
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Omar87	schestowitz, she would never realize anything trust me.	Mar 19 22:26
Omar87	schestowitz, I tried all sorts of ways with her.	Mar 19 22:26
schestowitz	Glyn Moody picked up my lastest article on Gates Foundation	Mar 19 22:27
schestowitz	He spreads it among his thousands of readers too	Mar 19 22:27
schestowitz	I think there's a tipping point where it gets exposed like IV	Mar 19 22:27
Omar87	schestowitz, she's so damn indoctrinated that she really doesn't think there's any company in world other than M$..	Mar 19 22:27
schestowitz	People already know the IV is a pyramid scheme	Mar 19 22:27
schestowitz	And it's being pulled into COURTROOMS	Mar 19 22:27
schestowitz	jono: I'll make you a deal. I buy the half pint, you fill the rest :D	Mar 19 22:28
schestowitz	Omar87: tell her what runs the Web	Mar 19 22:28
schestowitz	IBM is 4 times the size of MSFT	Mar 19 22:29
schestowitz	Staff-wise	Mar 19 22:29
schestowitz	Microsoft is quite small	Mar 19 22:29
schestowitz	Compared to companies that actually make computers	Mar 19 22:29
Omar87	schestowitz, she wouldn't listen.	Mar 19 22:29
schestowitz	Mili-soft	Mar 19 22:29
schestowitz	Omar87: she'll fatigue herself with malware	Mar 19 22:29
schestowitz	Yesterday I referred a mate to Fedora	Mar 19 22:30
schestowitz	Some of my family too	Mar 19 22:30
Omar87	schestowitz, her main reason why she "loves" M$ is simply because "They've got MONEY!! xD"	Mar 19 22:30
schestowitz	Linux is impressive now	Mar 19 22:30
schestowitz	And the hardware works fine without intervention, so it's easy to promote it	Mar 19 22:30
MinceR	ah, the most popular world religion, then	Mar 19 22:30
Omar87	schestowitz, ya know something?	Mar 19 22:30
MinceR	(Money Worship)	Mar 19 22:30
schestowitz	And gets better all ehe time. Network effect	Mar 19 22:30
schestowitz	*The	Mar 19 22:30
Balrog	Omar87: that's stupid reasoning	Mar 19 22:30
jono	schestowitz deal!	Mar 19 22:31
schestowitz	Balrog: it's true	Mar 19 22:31
schestowitz	Balrog: some people think like this	Mar 19 22:31
Balrog	I know some people do	Mar 19 22:31
schestowitz	They try to get close to reach people	Mar 19 22:31
Balrog	it's sad	Mar 19 22:31
Omar87	schestowitz, I believe that the ultimate way to cure her infection, is to attack the main source,	Mar 19 22:31
MinceR	many people do	Mar 19 22:31
schestowitz	For the same people we are genetically made to stick with family	Mar 19 22:31
schestowitz	it's the reciprocity thing	Mar 19 22:31
schestowitz	We expect outcomes to return	Mar 19 22:31
schestowitz	So a lot of people hang around the Vole for the perception that it's Sugar Daddy	Mar 19 22:31
schestowitz	Even if it's not	Mar 19 22:31
schestowitz	It stabs partners in the back	Mar 19 22:32
*jono has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)		Mar 19 22:32
schestowitz	Same with Apple BTW	Mar 19 22:32
Omar87	schestowitz, I will do whatever I am capable of to bring the war against M$ in Jordan to a wider scale. (I might sound crazy, but I couldn't think of any better way to say this)	Mar 19 22:32
Omar87	I have to make myself heard.	Mar 19 22:32
schestowitz	Not war	Mar 19 22:33
schestowitz	It's comical	Mar 19 22:33
schestowitz	Micosoft has a joke of a software	Mar 19 22:33
Omar87	What then?	Mar 19 22:33
schestowitz	Azure LOL	Mar 19 22:33
schestowitz	ZUNE!!	Mar 19 22:33
Omar87	LOL	Mar 19 22:33
schestowitz	To Microsoft , truth is what garlic is to zombies	Mar 19 22:33
schestowitz	Just spread the facts	Mar 19 22:34
Omar87	I really fail to understand where the hell do they come up with these name..	Mar 19 22:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Truth is sunshine to the Microsoft vampire -- FurnaceBoy		Mar 19 22:35
schestowitz	Omar87: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?blogid=14&entryid=2860&pn=1	Mar 19 22:35
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Omar87	schestowitz, exactly that's what I meant by "War".	Mar 19 22:35
schestowitz	Omar87: No	Mar 19 22:35
schestowitz	Bad headline	Mar 19 22:35
schestowitz	But they are a mafia	Mar 19 22:35
schestowitz	Like many before them	Mar 19 22:35
schestowitz	Rockefeller, Monsanto	Mar 19 22:35
schestowitz	This one is a software mafia	Mar 19 22:35
Omar87	schestowitz, I'm using there own terminology.	Mar 19 22:35
schestowitz	Not like Blackwater	Mar 19 22:35
schestowitz	Which slaughters Iraqis for fun and profit	Mar 19 22:36
Omar87	schestowitz, of course not.	Mar 19 22:36
schestowitz	Omar87: Microsoft says "enagelism is WAR"	Mar 19 22:36
schestowitz	With capitals	Mar 19 22:36
schestowitz	Evangelism=AstroTurfign euphemism	Mar 19 22:36
Omar87	schestowitz, it's an "Infowar". A war of information, not nuclear bombs and f-16's.	Mar 19 22:36
schestowitz	If Microsoft was a mercenary firm, they would all look like Predator II	Mar 19 22:37
schestowitz	Of course	Mar 19 22:37
schestowitz	They spread junk like "IP" and "Vista 7 is great" messages	Mar 19 22:37
schestowitz	It's all PR	Mar 19 22:37
schestowitz	ANd lies	Mar 19 22:37
schestowitz	They bribe for it outside countries where it's illegal	Mar 19 22:38
schestowitz	http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20100318/tc_nf/72273	Mar 19 22:38
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schestowitz	Here's Hollywood's "Jihad'	Mar 19 22:39
schestowitz	http://www.thegeniusfiles.com/googleocracy http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9173178/News_analysis_Google_partners_have_clout_to_make_smart_TV_a_reality?source=rss_opsys	Mar 19 22:39
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Omar87	schestowitz, by the way, could you please stop using phrases you don't now the real meaning of? (Namely, "Jihad")	Mar 19 22:40
Omar87	know*	Mar 19 22:40
schestowitz	FOSS wins	Mar 19 22:40
schestowitz	But they are cheating: http://keionline.org/node/806	Mar 19 22:40
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schestowitz	Now they wants secretly-negotiated law to reverse their lossses	Mar 19 22:40
schestowitz	Omar87: I think I know you can also have a "Jihad" for a girl, so it's not a strong word	Mar 19 22:41
schestowitz	But the context it caught in the West is very negative	Mar 19 22:41
schestowitz	Because of context	Mar 19 22:41
schestowitz	http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100318/1326228625.shtml	Mar 19 22:41
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Omar87	schestowitz, "Jihad" for a girl? What are you talking about?	Mar 19 22:42
Omar87	schestowitz, have you tried to look up the original meaning of the term "Jihad"?	Mar 19 22:42
*WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulf		Mar 19 22:45
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/19/google_china_possible_april_exit/	Mar 19 22:46
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schestowitz	Omar87: I watched a debate about it	Mar 19 22:46
schestowitz	Where a Muslim explained why the term is misused	Mar 19 22:46
schestowitz	But maybe it wasn't accurate	Mar 19 22:47
Omar87	schestowitz, what did he say exactly?	Mar 19 22:47
schestowitz	I can't recall	Mar 19 22:47
schestowitz	It's also hard to find videos you once watched	Mar 19 22:48
Omar87	schestowitz, anyways, it doesn't matter what he said, look it up in a decent dictionary.	Mar 19 22:49
Omar87	"Jihad" doesn't necessarily mean "terrorism" or even "war".	Mar 19 22:50
MinceR	even WP says that	Mar 19 22:50
MinceR	so you can manage without a dictionary :)	Mar 19 22:50
Omar87	The term "Jihad" is a derivative of the word "Johd" meaning "Effort".	Mar 19 22:51
Omar87	Even studying can be a form of "Jihad" if you dedicate it to serve your religion. (Since you put a(n) "Johd"-"Effort" into it)	Mar 19 22:53
schestowitz	http://www.mediabistro.com/unbeige/product_design/the_little_band_of_white_that_forced_a_design_copyright_fight_155005.asp	Mar 19 22:54
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schestowitz	Omar87: yeah, something like that. Thanks, i learned something in IRC :-)	Mar 19 22:55
Omar87	schestowitz, welcome.	Mar 19 22:55
Omar87	schestowitz, now check out this stomach-turning news: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Microsoft-to-take-active-role-in-jQuery-JavaScript-Library-development-956522.html	Mar 19 22:55
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schestowitz	Oh: cool: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/canon-domain/	Mar 19 22:56
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schestowitz	Omar87: it's old news	Mar 19 22:56
schestowitz	Just some more PR effort	Mar 19 22:56
Omar87	schestowitz, I hope so.	Mar 19 22:57
MinceR	i don't think that giving out TLDs to anyone is cool	Mar 19 22:57
schestowitz	It shows Microsoft giving up	Mar 19 22:57
schestowitz	MinceR: it's cool$$	Mar 19 22:57
Omar87	schestowitz, oh and by the way. I know some might sound a little mean, but really: Naive people don't really matter that much to me. What I'm more concerned about is how to educate to people who still have brains in their skulls that work.	Mar 19 22:59
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schestowitz	http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2010/03/speaking-of-monsanto-and-gene-patents.html	Mar 19 23:03
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schestowitz	Omar87: ok, wait for them to come to you	Mar 19 23:03
schestowitz	But disparaging them will just distance them further	Mar 19 23:04
Omar87	schestowitz, actually.. I'm not waiting for them.	Mar 19 23:05
Omar87	schestowitz, they are all around me, in college.	Mar 19 23:05
Diablo-D3	http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/03/canon-domain/	Mar 19 23:06
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Diablo-D3	really?!	Mar 19 23:06
Omar87	schestowitz, and I've managed to convince a lot of people around me that M$ is evil.	Mar 19 23:06
schestowitz	http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article7067332.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=2015164/	Mar 19 23:08
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Omar87	[<schestowitz> But disparaging them will just distance them further]	Mar 19 23:08
schestowitz	Just found in /.	Mar 19 23:08
schestowitz	It's DNA Propaganda	Mar 19 23:08
schestowitz	"let us take your DNA!!"	Mar 19 23:09
schestowitz	"We'll catch all those bad black guys"	Mar 19 23:09
schestowitz	http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9EFRPJG0&show_article=1	Mar 19 23:09
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Omar87	schestowitz, I really don't intend to do so at all. It's just that their arguments are so silly that will have no idea where the hell do they come up with them.	Mar 19 23:10
Omar87	so silly that you will have no idea..	Mar 19 23:10
schestowitz	Hmmm.......	Mar 19 23:11
schestowitz	I have this Nat Geo wallpaper thing cycling	Mar 19 23:11
schestowitz	Now it had this cute monkey on it	Mar 19 23:11
schestowitz	I wonder if in 20 years there'll be monkeys outside zoos at all	Mar 19 23:11
schestowitz	We're filling the Earth with just humans and bacteria, which can't be eliminated being a microorganism	Mar 19 23:12
schestowitz	It's good that people take videos of polar bears	Mar 19 23:12
schestowitz	They won't last long	Mar 19 23:12
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Large Hardon Collider typo brought to you by the Telegraph http://ur1.ca/qmkk !science		Mar 19 23:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @diablod3 Large Hardon Collider typo brought to you by the Telegraph http://ur1.ca/qmkk #science		Mar 19 23:25
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Omar87	Anyone knows of an open source collaborative translation app.?	Mar 19 23:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACT continues to push for software patents in Europe, Innovation Summit at the end of the month in Brussels http://i5.be/aDo		Mar 19 23:28
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schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMFt7tRq-Ps	Mar 19 23:28
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schestowitz	zoobab: I have a post about it tomorrow :-D	Mar 19 23:31
WireWulf	weeeeeeee	Mar 19 23:31
WireWulf	boycott air	Mar 19 23:31
WireWulf	breath water	Mar 19 23:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Neelie Kroes pushing for software patents in standards, Digital Commissioner Kroes proposes new EU policy of open standards http://i5.be/aDp		Mar 19 23:32
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Omar87	"DEVELOPERS DEVERLOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPers, .... YES!!!" :D	Mar 19 23:35
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