IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 20th, 2010

-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] DG Enterprise is pro software patents, and hostile to real open standards. They defend patent holders such as Philips and BSA		Mar 20 00:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Ada Lovelace day is on Wed, I pledged on http://findingada.com/ to blog: you good folks should too! I am also planning a videocast :-)		Mar 20 00:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @tonywhitmore: New blog posting, Richard Herring - Hitler Moustache - http://tinyurl.com/yzd2p3d :: this bacon is jealous of Whitmore.		Mar 20 00:16
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] I think this case can be used to prove patents can only lead to injury and death http://ur1.ca/qm4a #douchebags		Mar 20 00:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] The Severed Fifth 2nd album writing continues LIVE in 55mins at http://is.gd/aP8kc #severedfifth		Mar 20 00:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] USTR has told members of Congress it is their intention to marginalize the participation by consumer interest organizations http://i5.be/aDq		Mar 20 00:25
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Man, maybe #Hulu dying isn't so bad: the videos, even the God-forsaken ads, load slow		Mar 20 00:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ITRE meeting on Internet and net neutrality (17 Mar 2010) [1/12] http://i5.be/aDr		Mar 20 00:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ITRE meeting on Internet and net neutrality (17 Mar 2010) [2/12] http://i5.be/aDs		Mar 20 00:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ITRE meeting on Internet and net neutrality (17 Mar 2010) [3/12] http://i5.be/aDt		Mar 20 00:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ITRE meeting on Internet and net neutrality (17 Mar 2010) [4/12] http://i5.be/aDu		Mar 20 00:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ITRE meeting on Internet and net neutrality (17 Mar 2010) [5/12] http://i5.be/aDv		Mar 20 00:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @froodie: DOGGIE! TRAMPOLINE! http://bit.ly/bzl6ce :: top quality comedy from the froo :-)		Mar 20 00:42
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schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZhiLjwioY8	Mar 20 00:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] In other news, I officially want a raccoon: http://is.gd/aPs38		Mar 20 00:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon Poor Ada, had her namesake hijacked to help enslave humanity http://bit.ly/dtOVyx Let's remember her with a wake.		Mar 20 00:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] About to kick off in the #severedfifth studio - watch live now at http://bit.ly/4nJmbr :-)		Mar 20 01:05
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schestowitz	Microsoft has quite a bit in common with Scientology... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6eNyBrQUKs	Mar 20 01:06
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schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aFEBWjJYs0	Mar 20 01:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right....Sky man came....now got HD.... Materials delivered for the builders starting on monday.....but no phone yet...		Mar 20 01:30
schestowitz	Hmmmm... this is rather disturbing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5zzMIRznDk	Mar 20 01:32
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schestowitz	gn	Mar 20 01:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon Everyone should have a Jabba. http://bit.ly/cFAeDx Jabbas ftw!		Mar 20 01:43
DaemonFC	I was on the fence about cat ownership until I got Jabba	Mar 20 01:45
DaemonFC	he's not like those cats that tear things up and piss in your laundry	Mar 20 01:45
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 20 01:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right and Im now off for the night. Should be back on tomorrow.		Mar 20 01:53
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DaemonFC	Since when did they need to see ID for you to buy cough syrup? I stodd there for five minutes waiting on a cashier cause some future gas station attendant killed himself with cough syrup.	Mar 20 02:19
DaemonFC	*stood	Mar 20 02:19
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: depends which kind you get	Mar 20 02:20
Diablo-D3	if you get the "new" version that has the halucinigenic taken out	Mar 20 02:20
Diablo-D3	you dont	Mar 20 02:20
Diablo-D3	but that shit also doesnt work	Mar 20 02:20
DaemonFC	right, like the new Sudafed	Mar 20 02:21
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 20 02:21
DaemonFC	the new Sudafed leads me to believe the feds are letting them sell shit that doesn't work just because you can't make meth with it	Mar 20 02:22
DaemonFC	placebo	Mar 20 02:22
Diablo-D3	it "works"	Mar 20 02:22
Diablo-D3	but its not nearly as good	Mar 20 02:22
DaemonFC	I'm not looking to get high, I have a chest cold :P	Mar 20 02:23
DaemonFC	fucking assholes need to quit making things out of cold medicine	Mar 20 02:23
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 20 02:23
DaemonFC	http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100318/LOCAL03/303189912/1002/LOCAL	Mar 20 02:24
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Molestation of girl_ 2_ confessed in plea deal \| The Journal Gazette, Fort Wayne, Ind. .::. Size~: 31.77 KB	Mar 20 02:24
DaemonFC	Diablo-D3: They need to skin this guy alive, and they cut him a deal	Mar 20 02:24
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: depends what he turned over	Mar 20 02:26
Diablo-D3	if he turned over enough shit to catch dozens of pedophiles like him	Mar 20 02:26
Diablo-D3	then the deal is quite worth it	Mar 20 02:26
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: remember	Mar 20 02:26
Diablo-D3	his life is already over	Mar 20 02:26
Diablo-D3	he can never have a job, he can never live anywhere	Mar 20 02:26
DaemonFC	they should make the deal, get the names, then skin him alive	Mar 20 02:26
DaemonFC	that's what I'd do B-)	Mar 20 02:26
Diablo-D3	skinning him alive costs tax dollars	Mar 20 02:26
Diablo-D3	making him live in the woods behind Walmart doesnt.	Mar 20 02:27
DaemonFC	where he's free to prey on kids and has nothing to lose now	Mar 20 02:27
DaemonFC	sweet	Mar 20 02:27
DaemonFC	I'm with China on this one	Mar 20 02:27
DaemonFC	shoot him and mail his family the bill for the bullet	Mar 20 02:27
DaemonFC	everyone gets a plea bargain in Indiana	Mar 20 02:28
DaemonFC	even if they have GUILT written all over them	Mar 20 02:28
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: I think you misunderstood here	Mar 20 02:29
Diablo-D3	a plea deal doesnt mean they're not guilty	Mar 20 02:29
Diablo-D3	they're very much found guilty.	Mar 20 02:29
Diablo-D3	information is worth something to the state	Mar 20 02:29
Diablo-D3	if you have information, you can trade it for years in jail.	Mar 20 02:29
DaemonFC	yeah, but they get a lighter sentence, I know btw. :) I was tried for an A Misdemeanor	Mar 20 02:29
DaemonFC	but thanks to the plea deal, I have no criminal record	Mar 20 02:29
DaemonFC	none	Mar 20 02:29
Diablo-D3	because the difference for the state is... catch ONE pedophile or catch DOZENS of pedophiles	Mar 20 02:29
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: this is a criminal charge	Mar 20 02:30
Diablo-D3	hes on the sexual offenders list, hes going to serve at least a little time in prison	Mar 20 02:30
Diablo-D3	instead of 20, he may get 5	Mar 20 02:30
DaemonFC	yeah, misdemeanors are petty	Mar 20 02:30
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: remember, those dozens of pedophiles the information could help catch is important	Mar 20 02:30
Diablo-D3	without the information, the cops could never grab these guys	Mar 20 02:30
Diablo-D3	they'd never know who they are	Mar 20 02:30
DaemonFC	and they don't have to negotiate with them I suppose	Mar 20 02:31
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 20 02:31
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: why are you soft on crime?	Mar 20 02:31
Diablo-D3	because this is what it boils down to	Mar 20 02:31
Diablo-D3	giving one criminal a deal to catch a dozen others, its worth it	Mar 20 02:31
Diablo-D3	because thats a dozen criminals off the street	Mar 20 02:31
DaemonFC	I just find it to be tragic when someone does something that horrible and they don't throw the book	Mar 20 02:31
Diablo-D3	they did throw the book	Mar 20 02:32
Diablo-D3	thats what you're not getting	Mar 20 02:32
Diablo-D3	the guy now has to buy his way out of a lengthy sentence	Mar 20 02:32
Diablo-D3	the only currency here is information.	Mar 20 02:32
DaemonFC	if they gave McVeigh a 20 year sentence for the Oklahoma City bombing for giving up other accomplices, would that be right?	Mar 20 02:32
Diablo-D3	what if McVeigh had advance information of 9/11 and we could have stopped it in time?	Mar 20 02:32
Diablo-D3	what if McVeigh new drug lords, and where they would be at a specific time?	Mar 20 02:33
Diablo-D3	if he had something worth knowing, cutting him a deal would have been worth it	Mar 20 02:33
Diablo-D3	problem is, DaemonFC, he knew nothing.	Mar 20 02:33
Diablo-D3	So your example sucks.	Mar 20 02:33
Diablo-D3	Deals are cut rarely because criminals know things rarely.	Mar 20 02:34
DaemonFC	or to expedite a case	Mar 20 02:34
DaemonFC	makes their conviction rate look high	Mar 20 02:34
Diablo-D3	Thats a different kind of deal.	Mar 20 02:34
Diablo-D3	If you plead guilty and quit wasting the court's time, cutting a tiny deal wouldnt be so bad for smaller crimes.	Mar 20 02:34
DaemonFC	In my case I pled Guilty but the plea gets suspended in case you fail to meet the terms of the agreement	Mar 20 02:36
DaemonFC	I met the terms, the case was dismissed	Mar 20 02:36
Diablo-D3	yes, and you wernt really a criminal at all	Mar 20 02:36
Diablo-D3	quit trying to conflate the two	Mar 20 02:36
DaemonFC	yes, it was the petty charge that hurts nobody that should be stricken from the legal code	Mar 20 02:37
DaemonFC	You probably know the one	Mar 20 02:37
DaemonFC	http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100316/LOCAL03/303169946/1002/LOCAL	Mar 20 02:39
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DaemonFC	hahaha	Mar 20 02:39
DaemonFC	She tried to hire a hitman to kill the informant in the drug case but the police were tapping her phone and cause the exchange between her and the hitman	Mar 20 02:40
DaemonFC	that's awesome	Mar 20 02:41
DaemonFC	*caught	Mar 20 02:41
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sebsebseb	DaemonFC: DaemonFC It seems I might be lucky :)	Mar 20 02:51
DaemonFC	How is that?	Mar 20 02:51
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: Diablo-D3	Mar 20 02:51
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: I went away from my computer, came back	Mar 20 02:51
sebsebseb	and this like	Mar 20 02:51
sebsebseb	black rectangle in the centre of the screen	Mar 20 02:51
DaemonFC	I'm on aspirin and cough syrup	Mar 20 02:51
sebsebseb	with the stuff that's meant to be on the right, on the left	Mar 20 02:52
DaemonFC	that tingling in my throat found its way into my sinuses and my lungs	Mar 20 02:52
sebsebseb	and the stuff that's meant to be on the left showing on the right, and not properly of course	Mar 20 02:52
sebsebseb	screensavers were on and still doing it, then the screen goes into the mode where it turns itself off	Mar 20 02:52
DaemonFC	video driver error	Mar 20 02:52
sebsebseb	I am looking at the screen all that dust, and dirt on the right	Mar 20 02:52
DaemonFC	did you report it?	Mar 20 02:52
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: well I got some dirt on the right, that will be a pain to get off I guess	Mar 20 02:53
sebsebseb	or might be a pain to get off	Mar 20 02:53
DaemonFC	My car is making strange noises	Mar 20 02:53
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: need to get some proper screen cleaner stuff for that really I think	Mar 20 02:53
DaemonFC	I have a feeling I was lucky to get back from the store with my cold medicine	Mar 20 02:53
DaemonFC	I suspect it's the water pump	Mar 20 02:53
sebsebseb	anyway so it's in the mode where the stuff on screen isn't showing, I look at the dirt on the screen, and the dust and yeah	Mar 20 02:54
DaemonFC	there goes another $90 if that's all it is	Mar 20 02:54
DaemonFC	hooray!	Mar 20 02:54
DaemonFC	I should never save money	Mar 20 02:54
sebsebseb	I also was thinking when I first saw that, If I move the mouse I might be lucky and things will be ok again, but nope they weren't, however turning the screen off with the button on it and on again, did the trick	Mar 20 02:54
DaemonFC	every tiem I save money, bad shit happens and requires that money	Mar 20 02:54
sebsebseb	as for a video driver error I don't know, but it could be I guess	Mar 20 02:55
sebsebseb	However I thought this screen might of pretty much had it now, since it hasn't really been looked after properly.	Mar 20 02:55
sebsebseb	Hello jono, just saying hello	Mar 20 02:56
*DaemonFC throws raccoons at jono "FIX THE THEMES!!!!!!"		Mar 20 02:56
DaemonFC	:D	Mar 20 02:56
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: uhmm	Mar 20 02:57
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: he isn't part of the design team	Mar 20 02:57
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: I read something Shuttleworth typed by the way	Mar 20 02:57
DaemonFC	jono can get stuff done	Mar 20 02:57
DaemonFC	jono has veto power over the Cthulu	Mar 20 02:57
DaemonFC	In jono We Trust	Mar 20 02:57
sebsebseb	so even if jono wanted to put the buttons on the right of the themes and in the correct order, they probably woudn't just listen	Mar 20 02:57
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: also I have noticed he isn't been here that often recently, maybe partly, because of you :D	Mar 20 02:58
sebsebseb	well I haven't seen him here at all recently	Mar 20 02:58
DaemonFC	no, jono does not fear my ultimate wrath	Mar 20 02:58
DaemonFC	merely everyone else	Mar 20 02:58
DaemonFC	fear meh!!!!	Mar 20 02:59
DaemonFC	jono: You guys should totally partner with Opera	Mar 20 02:59
DaemonFC	You have that Partner repo right?	Mar 20 03:00
DaemonFC	Maybe Opera would put forth some cash to be a Featured Application	Mar 20 03:00
DaemonFC	put something in there that's useful :D	Mar 20 03:00
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: yeah Opera is closed source, but a good browser	Mar 20 03:08
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: also that browser choice screen, is getting it quite a lot more users I read	Mar 20 03:08
sebsebseb	in Europe	Mar 20 03:08
*DaemonFC is singing Time Of My Life rofl		Mar 20 03:09
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: also Ubuntu blah de blah, Mandriva used to have most of the desktop market	Mar 20 03:09
sebsebseb	also I think Mandriva would do a pretty good job, if they were to gain it again	Mar 20 03:09
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: Linux Desktop Market above	Mar 20 03:09
DaemonFC	it's a rotating thing	Mar 20 03:12
DaemonFC	nobody holds that spot for more than 4-5 years	Mar 20 03:12
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: I think Ubuntu will	Mar 20 03:12
DaemonFC	project gets stuffy and decays, maybe some infighting, a new distro has new ideas	Mar 20 03:12
DaemonFC	people leave	Mar 20 03:12
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: Ubuntu has a huge following of noobs	Mar 20 03:14
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: Who think it is really great and amazing.	Mar 20 03:14
sebsebseb	Loads of them probably don't reolize that they can run 99% of Ubuntu's programs in other distros such as Mandriva.	Mar 20 03:14
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: being clear I mean the stuff that isn't made by Canonical or the Ubuntu Community	Mar 20 03:16
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Chips_B_Malroy	Well its late time across the pond I know. How about some posts on the fact that Opera is now seeing 2X the downloads since the browser ballet? It maybe a small win, as Goblin said. But we all agreed it is a win.	Mar 20 04:10
Chips_B_Malroy	give people a choice, and evenually they will take it	Mar 20 04:11
Chips_B_Malroy	Internet Exploder, without the monopoly backing it up, is evenually doomed	Mar 20 04:13
Chips_B_Malroy	even with	Mar 20 04:13
Chips_B_Malroy	it will just take less time now	Mar 20 04:14
Chips_B_Malroy	and this is a good thing for all of us people	Mar 20 04:14
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Chips_B_Malroy	http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-customers-go-to-opera/	Mar 20 04:15
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Chips_B_Malroy	Myself, I prefer Firefox Mozillia, but about anything is better than IE	Mar 20 04:16
Chips_B_Malroy	Correction: I cannot think of any browser offhand worse than the MS product.	Mar 20 04:17
Chips_B_Malroy	Internet Explorer is truely the Typoid Mary of susceptable malware browsers.	Mar 20 04:19
Chips_B_Malroy	It was thrown togeather, from a hastedly bought product, in order to be given away for free by bundling, against the commercial Netscape.	Mar 20 04:20
Chips_B_Malroy	In order to destroy in, as BG thought that the browser would take over and replace Windows. Protect the monopoly at all costs, even if that meant a trial by USA DOJ for being a monopoly.	Mar 20 04:22
Chips_B_Malroy	If Opera is seeing these types of increases, we will see more decline soon of IE against better solutions.	Mar 20 04:23
Chips_B_Malroy	As Opera is only one better browser.	Mar 20 04:23
Chips_B_Malroy	Opera is not open source, but I give them two trumbs up, for taking this to the EU.	Mar 20 04:24
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oiaohm	sebsebseb: Ubuntu is following the exact same pattern as Mandriva and all the others that got on top.	Mar 20 04:28
oiaohm	They stop listerning to what there users want and one day there users disappears to another that promisses to listern.	Mar 20 04:29
sebsebseb	oiaohm: heh	Mar 20 04:33
DaemonFC	oiaohm: What is it called when society frowns on something to the point where it becomes an underground thing that people do just because they've been told no?	Mar 20 04:35
DaemonFC	not just Marijuana culture or whatever	Mar 20 04:35
DaemonFC	the behavior in general	Mar 20 04:35
DaemonFC	is there a psychological name for this mentality of being defiant?	Mar 20 04:36
DaemonFC	Oppositional defiant disorder	Mar 20 04:36
DaemonFC	thank you Wikipedia	Mar 20 04:37
DaemonFC	I think I have that	Mar 20 04:37
sebsebseb	oiaohm: Mandriva will also win back users, and gain new users.	Mar 20 04:37
DaemonFC	I think Fedora will gain steam	Mar 20 04:38
DaemonFC	they already are	Mar 20 04:38
DaemonFC	Ubuntu is mainly just siphoning off Windows users, they'll go someplace else eventually	Mar 20 04:38
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: Fedora could hit off more, but really it's still for more intermediate users as far as I know, also I coudn't just install Fedora 11 for example, got an error message from the installer. Told me it was probably a bug and to report. All I had was a Vista partition and a / for Ubuntu 9.04 and another partition or two. So quite standard really nothing fancy.	Mar 20 04:39
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: Yeah exactly most of Ubuntu's users are users that aren't happy with Windows.	Mar 20 04:40
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: That have then also come to Ubuntu first, their first distro.	Mar 20 04:40
cubezzz	meh	Mar 20 04:41
cubezzz	still, it's an improvement	Mar 20 04:41
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: now some people will be saying that Ubuntu 10.04 is more like Mac OS X, so is Vista to some extent and Windows 7, but really Microsoft have done the Mac OS X like stuff, way better than what Canonical/Ubuntu community are doing so far?	Mar 20 04:42
cubezzz	everyone copied Xerox	Mar 20 04:42
cubezzz	all hail Englebert :)	Mar 20 04:42
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Englebert I don't know who that is, but I assume the person that started Xerox?	Mar 20 04:43
cubezzz	no, he's not that old :)	Mar 20 04:44
sebsebseb	cubezzz: Ok who are they then?	Mar 20 04:45
cubezzz	founded in 1906	Mar 20 04:45
cubezzz	sorry, Douglas Englebart	Mar 20 04:46
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Engelbart	Mar 20 04:46
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cubezzz	"His lab at SRI was responsible for more breakthrough innovation than possibly any other lab before or since."	Mar 20 04:47
cubezzz	basically his lab founded the ideas of ethernet, mouse, and GUI's	Mar 20 04:48
DaemonFC	sebsebseb: I think Ubuntu is mainly swallowing up Windows users	Mar 20 04:50
DaemonFC	but Fedora is mainly swallowing up Ubuntu users	Mar 20 04:50
DaemonFC	so Ubuntu isn't losing ground as long as it can eat up ex Windows users fast enough	Mar 20 04:50
DaemonFC	there will be a point where Fedora is growing faster than Ubuntu can take on enough Windows users to keep their usage share	Mar 20 04:51
cubezzz	sebsebseb: for founded of Xerox you have to go back to Joseph Chamberlain Wilson (December 19, 1909 – November 22, 1971), the founder of the Xerox Corporation, a graduate of the University of Rochester	Mar 20 04:51
DaemonFC	and don't forget, as bad distros meant for n00bs die off, Ubuntu gets a lot of their users too	Mar 20 04:51
DaemonFC	Linspire anyone?	Mar 20 04:51
cubezzz	no thanks :)	Mar 20 04:51
cubezzz	wait, actually that is probably wrong	Mar 20 04:52
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: That's true quite a lot of Ubuntu users going to Fedora as well, thing is it was the other way round for me	Mar 20 04:52
DaemonFC	also, by what measure are we benchmarking Ubuntu popularity? If 100,000 Windows users visit Ubuntu's distrowatch page, Ubuntu is now popular above all others	Mar 20 04:52
DaemonFC	even if they never use it	Mar 20 04:53
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: Fedora Core 2 in 2004 and no working Internet connection since that stupid wireless device...	Mar 20 04:53
sebsebseb	and I did FC4 didn't last long though, untill Grub messed up on me again, then I was told by someone I used to know about Ubuntu, and yeah quite happy with it from the second release untill 9.04	Mar 20 04:53
sebsebseb	someone I used to know at school	Mar 20 04:54
DaemonFC	so the truth is, nobody really knows how popular Ubuntu is because Ubuntu won't release any official stats like Fedora does with SMOLT	Mar 20 04:54
sebsebseb	thing is though, someone else I sort of knew back in 2005 as well, kept on telling me how great Mandrake was at the time	Mar 20 04:54
DaemonFC	so Fedora could be more popular than Ubuntu in deployed installations	Mar 20 04:54
DaemonFC	right now	Mar 20 04:54
sebsebseb	and I hadn't tried it out properly untill last year. I had read stuff about it here and there of course it as in Mandrake/Mandriva	Mar 20 04:54
DaemonFC	since there's no spyware in them, they'll never know	Mar 20 04:54
oiaohm	Mandriva these days listern to there users more.	Mar 20 04:55
oiaohm	Same with Fedora.	Mar 20 04:55
sebsebseb	finalley a virtual machine of beta for what would become Mandriva 2010 worked :) in virtual machine, and I liked it	Mar 20 04:55
DaemonFC	Microsoft can tell you with pretty good accuracy how many unique machines Windows is on that month	Mar 20 04:55
sebsebseb	I am glad I put this on	Mar 20 04:55
DaemonFC	there's a reason	Mar 20 04:55
sebsebseb	plus on another small network that I go on, quite a few people who like Mandriva quite a lot	Mar 20 04:55
sebsebseb	altough those people are also from Freenode	Mar 20 04:56
oiaohm	Really not DaemonFC	Mar 20 04:56
sebsebseb	OpenSuse anyone? :D that's still a resoanbly big noobs distro I guess	Mar 20 04:56
oiaohm	WSUS does not report up stream how many clients are behind it DaemonFC	Mar 20 04:56
oiaohm	Ie businesses using WSUS there machines are not counted correctly.	Mar 20 04:57
DaemonFC	well, MS knows how many licenses their VLK is good for	Mar 20 04:57
oiaohm	Same with businesses using proxys for there Linuxs are not counted correctly.	Mar 20 04:57
sebsebseb	quite a lot of Ubuntu users are recommending Mint as the alternative though hrm. well if Ubuntu dies or nearly dies, I suppouse Mint could live on, as long as they base them selves on Debian instead	Mar 20 04:57
DaemonFC	you're not going to buy 1,000 licenses and not use them	Mar 20 04:57
oiaohm	I currently have 60 spare at one point DaemonFC	Mar 20 04:57
oiaohm	Since those machines are now long workstations.	Mar 20 04:57
DaemonFC	send a few over this way?	Mar 20 04:57
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 20 04:58
oiaohm	long/linux	Mar 20 04:58
sebsebseb	Fedora well yeah that will be good when it installs, but Mandriva :)	Mar 20 04:58
oiaohm	So no MS really does not have much more of a clue than Linux on numbers out there.	Mar 20 04:58
DaemonFC	I've installed Windows Me in VirtualBox on Linux before	Mar 20 04:58
DaemonFC	playing around	Mar 20 04:59
oiaohm	Then you have to allow on pirate copies that don't use windows update either.	Mar 20 04:59
DaemonFC	Virtualbox OSE is crippled in many ways	Mar 20 04:59
oiaohm	Basically you cannot count OS's in use electronically DaemonFC	Mar 20 04:59
DaemonFC	USB pass through sucks	Mar 20 04:59
cubezzz	you just can't count Linux installs	Mar 20 04:59
sebsebseb	I am looking forward to the Ubuntu 10.04 final, I have a feeling there will be quite a lot of complients from users about at least something	Mar 20 04:59
oiaohm	You cannot count Windows installs either cubezzz	Mar 20 04:59
oiaohm	No OS can you really count.	Mar 20 05:00
sebsebseb	complaints about the window buttons on the left for sure I expect, since that's already happended when it's been in development. Thing is those buttons might be on the right and in the correct order in the final.	Mar 20 05:00
cubezzz	the Windows numbers are kind of fake anyway	Mar 20 05:00
cubezzz	they are artificially inflated	Mar 20 05:00
sebsebseb	By the way any of you use that Gnome auto shut down feature after a minute, if un touched when telling it to shut down?	Mar 20 05:01
cubezzz	oiaohm, maybe sometime like Amiga 500 in which every single one ran AmigaDOS?	Mar 20 05:01
cubezzz	then number of Amigas sold = number of OS installations	Mar 20 05:01
oiaohm	There was a unix releated OS for the Amiga 500 as well cubezzz	Mar 20 05:02
oiaohm	Even the C64 has a alterent OS.	Mar 20 05:03
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: Do you? ^	Mar 20 05:03
oiaohm	You can count sold hardware. If the OS is changable counting it is basically impossable.	Mar 20 05:03
cubezzz	oiaohm, how can you install new OS on c64? by rom swap?	Mar 20 05:05
cubezzz	not too many c64's had bootable hard drives	Mar 20 05:06
cubezzz	well every Amiga 500 had AmigaDOS, so that equals one "sale" of AmigaDOS	Mar 20 05:07
cubezzz	I never saw Amiga 500 without AmigaDOS	Mar 20 05:07
DaemonFC	that's a feature?	Mar 20 05:07
DaemonFC	Who would use that?	Mar 20 05:07
DaemonFC	sounds like a practical joke	Mar 20 05:07
cubezzz	no MMU either	Mar 20 05:08
oiaohm	Cartridge cubezzz	Mar 20 05:08
DaemonFC	yeah, Ubuntu 10.04 will piss people off	Mar 20 05:09
oiaohm	The rom chip in Cartridge run before one on board. cubezzz	Mar 20 05:09
cubezzz	ah	Mar 20 05:10
oiaohm	Yes sale of OS's you can count.	Mar 20 05:10
oiaohm	But ones in use you are screwe.	Mar 20 05:10
cubezzz	I don't like the direction most OSes are going in	Mar 20 05:12
cubezzz	more and more bloated	Mar 20 05:12
cubezzz	so I'm keeping my FC1 :)	Mar 20 05:12
cubezzz	of course windows bloat is the worst of all	Mar 20 05:14
cubezzz	oiaohm, maybe we should be considering stuff like coreboot more	Mar 20 05:15
cubezzz	to speed things up	Mar 20 05:15
oiaohm	First major thing is fixing the compliers.	Mar 20 05:24
oiaohm	Gcc is extreamly poor at optimising C++.	Mar 20 05:25
oiaohm	Fix the compliers deal with a section of bloat as well cubezzz	Mar 20 05:25
oiaohm	Next address the dyanmic linking system.	Mar 20 05:26
oiaohm	Current Linux Dynamic linking system is not designed really to systematically be able to deprecated and dispose of functions.	Mar 20 05:26
oiaohm	cubezzz: even coreboot has a custom complier for rom only programs.	Mar 20 05:33
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cubezzz	yes	Mar 20 06:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Recovery of #GNU #Linux Servers: Where it Shines http://ur1.ca/qouh		Mar 20 07:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Multiple X Servers Run from One #Graphics Card http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODA3MQ		Mar 20 07:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME and #KDE Share Venue, GNOME 3 in Release Candidate http://ur1.ca/qovp http://ur1.ca/qovq http://ur1.ca/qovt		Mar 20 07:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SimplyMEPIS , #antiX , and #PCLinuxOS Compared http://usalug-org.blogspot.com/2010/03/three-favorite-distros-currently-in.html		Mar 20 07:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Reading: How to Be a Positive Person, in Under 300 Words http://bit.ly/bbgA4d via @zen_habits		Mar 20 07:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] People Behind #Debian #GNU #Linux : Margarita Manterola http://ur1.ca/qoxd		Mar 20 07:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Difference Between #Kubuntu and #Ubuntu http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/kubuntu-is-not-ubuntu/		Mar 20 07:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] $100 #Tablet to Run Linux http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Marvell-Moby/		Mar 20 07:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #GNU #Linux #Tablets with #FreeSoftware http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/131294/		Mar 20 07:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #FreeSoftware Releases Come Out of #Google http://blog.chromium.org/2010/03/introducing-angle-project.html		Mar 20 08:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Redmonk on Why #DRM Fails http://ur1.ca/qp1x		Mar 20 08:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] I see the Mark Shuttleworth "this is not a democracy" mantra is even on the Ubuntu governance page under SABDFL. http://is.gd/aPTzz		Mar 20 08:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Pressured by Newer Business Models http://ur1.ca/qp23 http://ur1.ca/qp24 http://ur1.ca/qp25		Mar 20 08:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DEB and #ACTA Rely on Corruption on Democracy, Fake Studies http://ur1.ca/qp2d http://ur1.ca/qp2e http://ur1.ca/qp2f		Mar 20 08:26
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MinceR	hay	Mar 20 08:32
schestowitz	j0!	Mar 20 08:45
schestowitz		Mar 20 08:52
schestowitz	> Sad to see FSMK & CPIM didn't studied anything from the FOSS community	Mar 20 08:52
schestowitz	> Response against Novell in Kochi Conference. Novell is in the sponsors	Mar 20 08:52
schestowitz	> list of National Free Software Conference	Mar 20 08:52
schestowitz	> http://www.nc2010.fsmk.org/content/sponsors-supporters	Mar 20 08:52
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schestowitz	>	Mar 20 08:52
schestowitz	> Chargesheet against novell we issued in Kochi National Conference	Mar 20 08:52
schestowitz	> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/fci/images/0/00/Boycottnovell.pdf	Mar 20 08:52
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schestowitz	>	Mar 20 08:52
schestowitz	>	Mar 20 08:52
schestowitz	> Statement From SMC last year	Mar 20 08:52
schestowitz	> http://wiki.smc.org.in/StatementOnNCFS2008Kochi	Mar 20 08:52
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schestowitz	> I'm worried about hype articles like this one:	Mar 20 08:55
schestowitz	>	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0319/Jihad-Jane-case-suggests-rising-threat-from-online-jihobbyists	Mar 20 08:56
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Jihad Jane case suggests rising threat from online 'jihobbyists' / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com .::. Size~: 69.95 KB	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	>	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> "Jihobbyists" is probably the next level of insult to be hurled at free	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> software advocates. Rob Enderle already compared free software activists to	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> terrorists and large publishers favor putting free software using countries	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> on blacklists along with countries that actually sponsor violence. I wonder	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> if there will be a Microsoft link to these two and their fear mongering:	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	>	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evan_Kohlmann	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarret_Brachman	Mar 20 08:56
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schestowitz	>	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> There's terrible irony in the writers of the wacky "Counter terrorism blog"	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> claiming that internet echo chambers make people extremists. The authors	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> proudly proclaim their patriotism but seem to have lost sight of the Bill of	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> Rights that defines the country they think they serve. Their rhetoric and	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> alarmism should be dismissed as the work of paranoid conspiracy theorists.	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> That would be better than people thinking their neighbors with passionate	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> objections to torture, wars of aggression and other crimes are secretly	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> plotting murder with Osama Bin Laden on the interwebs. The damage these	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> extremists do to privacy, free speech and due process is all to real to be	Mar 20 08:56
schestowitz	> dismissed. Network and software freedom are on their chopping block.	Mar 20 08:56
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oiaohm	http://www.entourageedge.com/devices/entourage-edge.html This thing looks nice.	Mar 20 09:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ok SEO experts, go away now, seriously, I don't want you spamming me with your snake-oil crap.		Mar 20 09:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft MVP de Icaza: Microsoft “Shot the .NET Ecosystem in the Foot” Because of #Patent Threats http://ur1.ca/qpc3		Mar 20 09:41
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schestowitz	http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/43883#comment-13189 "Copyrights protect software rights."	Mar 20 09:44
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schestowitz	Wow. Some people are really dumb.	Mar 20 09:44
schestowitz	Or brainwahsed	Mar 20 09:44
cubezzz	Microsoft are racketeers	Mar 20 09:49
cubezzz	simple	Mar 20 09:49
cubezzz	if you own a computer they want you to pay them	Mar 20 09:50
oiaohm	I just noticed something I disabled adblock I run and then went to osnews.com and I still saw no adds.	Mar 20 10:17
oiaohm	Then I woke up I was running noscript	Mar 20 10:17
oiaohm	So the advertises osnews are depending on for income require javascript. How perfect to be screwed up.	Mar 20 10:18
oiaohm	Wonder how many other sites are blaming adblock alone for there poor income when it part poor implementation by the companies they are out sourcing advertising to.	Mar 20 10:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Some differences to Bulger case but how Norway handled killings of children by children differently from UK. http://is.gd/aQ0qk		Mar 20 10:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Listening to Last.fm http://bit.ly/bONpSh and nomming on my graze box. (psst. code N77GCF1 for a free graze.com box).		Mar 20 10:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Eek! Time to scuttle off to ballet! (that's Sophie who does the ballet, not me :) )		Mar 20 10:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft and Its Front Group #ACT Organise Software Patents Lobby Events in #Europe http://ur1.ca/qpjf		Mar 20 10:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@cafuego Dinner tonight is avocado bruschetta with shots of 1800 Añejo // crap, should have mentioned i'm staying just round your corner!		Mar 20 10:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] An easy way to make people angry with you is to have an actual problem that doesn't interest them.		Mar 20 10:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: #Android #Linux Defended by #HTC ; #Monsanto and #Ghana http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/20/patents-gone-awry/		Mar 20 11:24
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schestowitz	http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/mar/16/utah-miscarriage-bill-abortion	Mar 20 11:26
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schestowitz	Abortions as crime?	Mar 20 11:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @qu1j0t3 An easy way to make people angry with you is to have an actual problem that doesn't interest them.		Mar 20 11:27
schestowitz	http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/15/thai-dissolution-refused-protests	Mar 20 11:30
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oiaohm	Really the patent war stuff is the start of the end. Remember the saying the second last thing before they lose is fight	Mar 20 11:34
schestowitz	"SUperdrones" http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24968.htm	Mar 20 11:37
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schestowitz	Killing more	Mar 20 11:37
schestowitz	oiaohm: yes, they want not to be a s/w vendor	Mar 20 11:37
schestowitz	They want to become patent vendors	Mar 20 11:37
oiaohm	Problem with being a patent vendor is you still can lose.	Mar 20 11:38
schestowitz	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/georgianne-nienaber/haitian-women-rea-dol-vs_b_500516.html	Mar 20 11:38
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oiaohm	Patents are most effective when they can be used by stealth so cannot be disarmed.	Mar 20 11:39
oiaohm	Ie fighting is destructive either way.	Mar 20 11:39
schestowitz	http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/03/dennis-kucinich-will-vote-yes-on-health-care/37612/	Mar 20 11:42
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schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylIH-MFrBxw	Mar 20 12:24
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schestowitz	Looks nice	Mar 20 12:24
schestowitz	Linux Action Show used some graphics from Boycott Novell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc1dT6mqYMc	Mar 20 13:01
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schestowitz	http://www.the-source.com/2010/03/canonical-coo-on-innovation/	Mar 20 13:06
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schestowitz	bbl	Mar 20 13:11
oiaohm	That inter video of novell is a great example of the distribution walled city method.	Mar 20 13:12
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oiaohm	Best possiable buyer of SUSE would be IBM. schestowitz	Mar 20 13:32
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] will be receiving "Best Final Year UG Project Award - for the year 2009" from his alma mater on 27th this month.		Mar 20 13:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] This sounds interesting hope it works and comes to FF soon. Breakthefirewall! http://is.gd/aQccS		Mar 20 13:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Okay, I'm out of #Facebook for good. Wanna contact me? You know where to find me.		Mar 20 13:51
Omar87	schestowitz, guess what, Facebook is now using Bong for providing web search results.	Mar 20 13:53
Omar87	schestowitz, they replaced Google.	Mar 20 13:53
oiaohm	That was mentioned about 6 months ago Omar87	Mar 20 14:19
oiaohm	Ie the deal to do it was penned then.	Mar 20 14:19
Omar87	oiaohm, I see.	Mar 20 14:21
oiaohm	The deal makes sence.	Mar 20 14:22
Omar87	oiaohm, Sheesh!! I finally found a very good reason to pull out of Facebook!! :D	Mar 20 14:22
oiaohm	Facebook does not have what you would call a good secuirty record.	Mar 20 14:22
cubezzz	Facebook sux	Mar 20 14:23
cubezzz	plus it's slow	Mar 20 14:23
Omar87	oiaohm, that's correct.	Mar 20 14:24
Omar87	oiaohm, however, I recently found this interesting site: www.muxlim.com :-)	Mar 20 14:24
Omar87	http://www.muxlim.com	Mar 20 14:25
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Omar87	oiaohm, It's a Finland-based Muslim-oriented social networking website.	Mar 20 14:25
oiaohm	Omar87: question becomes data secuirty.	Mar 20 14:28
oiaohm	Nice to have a database of photos to do face recognition against.	Mar 20 14:28
oiaohm	People under value thier biometrics	Mar 20 14:29
Omar87	oiaohm, well, when it comes to data security on the internet, that best answer for that is simply: "Never use the internet." :)	Mar 20 14:29
oiaohm	Most people don't think how the information can be used.	Mar 20 14:30
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Omar87	oiaohm, I know, internet security is more of an illusion, imho.	Mar 20 14:39
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oiaohm	http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Exploit-s-new-technology-trick-dodges-memory-protection-959253.html	Mar 20 14:39
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Omar87	oiaohm, you can't be 100% secure on the web.	Mar 20 14:39
oiaohm	Omar87: information is power. Particular information gives people lots of power.	Mar 20 14:39
Omar87	But you can, however be wise enough to avoid notorious websites like Facebook and MySpace.	Mar 20 14:40
oiaohm	That includes things like birth dates and other information that can be used to work up a fake id.	Mar 20 14:40
Omar87	oiaohm, true.	Mar 20 14:41
oiaohm	Now knowing what your target looks like is also helpful.	Mar 20 14:41
oiaohm	Particularly to avoiding them.	Mar 20 14:41
oiaohm	Lot of the networking sites are kinda encouranging people to give up more information to the internet than they should.	Mar 20 14:42
Ender2070	guess who Joe Brockmeier is shilling for now	Mar 20 14:43
Omar87	oiaohm, but still I don't think that the world has ran out of good decent people.	Mar 20 14:43
Omar87	oiaohm, okay, here's a question that I just asked myself, I'm really puzzled about it too.	Mar 20 14:47
Omar87	oiaohm, how come I can't trust Bong, but then it's okay to trust Google search?	Mar 20 14:48
Omar87	oiaohm, I mean, is Google any better, really?	Mar 20 14:48
oiaohm	Ok I don't fully trust google.	Mar 20 14:50
oiaohm	But there are other issues with Microsoft Omar87	Mar 20 14:50
oiaohm	http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/pr_contacts.mspx Read the press contacts.	Mar 20 14:51
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oiaohm	Ok why does not MS handle it own press. Omar87	Mar 20 14:51
Omar87	oiaohm, so MS is really worse than Google?	Mar 20 14:51
Omar87	oiaohm, does Google handle it's own press?	Mar 20 14:51
oiaohm	http://www.google.com/press/ Yep	Mar 20 14:53
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oiaohm	Gets worse when you find out that the independent PR company that MS uses that can be employed by anyone is also the designer and provider of the engine behind bing. Omar87	Mar 20 14:54
Omar87	oiaohm, I see. So, MS don't have their own blog on which they can publish their own news by themselves.	Mar 20 14:54
Omar87	oiaohm, can you please elaborate about that?	Mar 20 14:54
oiaohm	You know the people you see appearing on blogs and the like when you say something anti MS trying to discredit you.	Mar 20 14:55
oiaohm	Some of those are waggener edstrom staff. Omar87	Mar 20 14:56
oiaohm	Basically they are gun for higher.	Mar 20 14:56
Omar87	oiaohm, I see.	Mar 20 14:56
Omar87	oiaohm, so, Waggener Edstrom is the real provider of the engine behind Bing?	Mar 20 14:57
Omar87	oiaohm, but then how come any of that would make a difference to an end user like me?	Mar 20 14:58
oiaohm	Would you want a company that job is to market produces to end users for many different companies to have you search data to profile you.	Mar 20 15:00
oiaohm	Google doing it for there own use is bad enough.	Mar 20 15:00
Omar87	oiaohm, I see.	Mar 20 15:01
oiaohm	Also Waggener Edstrom is in the perception management business. So what ever information that can have on you to discredit you at times they find an advantage.	Mar 20 15:01
Omar87	oiaohm, so what makes Bing much worse than Google is that Google do they dirty job for themselves, but WE Worldwide do it for some other entities?	Mar 20 15:02
oiaohm	Yep WE will use it for who ever pays them.	Mar 20 15:02
Omar87	oiaohm, but Google is different than that?	Mar 20 15:02
oiaohm	Google only uses search data internally.	Mar 20 15:03
oiaohm	Not to be used to discredit anyone.	Mar 20 15:03
oiaohm	Ok the information google has on me I don't particularly like.	Mar 20 15:04
Omar87	oiaohm, how can I be sure about that?	Mar 20 15:04
oiaohm	There is no company like WE linked to google.	Mar 20 15:04
oiaohm	Even that google could make a fortune doing it.	Mar 20 15:04
Omar87	oiaohm, Of course.	Mar 20 15:05
oiaohm	Also it spelt out in the google data polices.	Mar 20 15:05
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Omar87	oiaohm, so can we say that WE is the invisible hand behind Bing?	Mar 20 15:06
oiaohm	Early documentation about bing even mentions WE as the provider of the engine.	Mar 20 15:07
oiaohm	Just put it this way people were not paying attention. Omar87	Mar 20 15:07
Omar87	oiaohm, I see.	Mar 20 15:07
oiaohm	The decision engine is a WE design	Mar 20 15:08
Omar87	oiaohm, as usuall, people get hypnotized by the size and look of the burger, that they never give any attention to the fact that it can very well be a poison in disguise.	Mar 20 15:09
oiaohm	Something I do suspect is that google could use search information to control what ads doubleclick displays uses(ie double click is a purely owned company of google)	Mar 20 15:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] This Breakthefirewall addon for IE works great am browsing the Financial Times at will, look forward to the FF version. http://is.gd/aQccS		Mar 20 15:10
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oiaohm	So its not that google cannot be profiting from the information Omar87	Mar 20 15:10
Omar87	oiaohm, that's correct. Google is a for-profit organization after all.	Mar 20 15:10
oiaohm	Now there is making profit and there is using information to abuse people.	Mar 20 15:11
oiaohm	WE is known for using information to abuse people.	Mar 20 15:11
oiaohm	Google is not.	Mar 20 15:11
oiaohm	WE was also partly behind the old MSN search as well.	Mar 20 15:11
oiaohm	People could not get why MS stayed in the search game for so long. MS does make the profit WE does.	Mar 20 15:12
oiaohm	Gets even more fun when you look at high personal of WE and high person of MS. A few of them are married to each other in real life. Omar87	Mar 20 15:14
Omar87	oiaohm, Oh God. :)	Mar 20 15:15
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Omar87	oiaohm, thanks a lot for the info. :)	Mar 20 15:18
oiaohm	One of them is balmer and his wife. Omar87	Mar 20 15:18
Omar87	oiaohm, I see.	Mar 20 15:18
Omar87	oiaohm, Balmer has a wife?	Mar 20 15:18
oiaohm	Yep Omar87	Mar 20 15:20
oiaohm	And she is a director on WE. Omar87	Mar 20 15:20
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DaemonFC	hmmm, still talking about nuclear arms treaties	Mar 20 15:22
Omar87	oiaohm, I can imagine them floating in the depths of the ocean together..	Mar 20 15:22
DaemonFC	I think our own Senate will be more of an obstacle than Russia	Mar 20 15:22
oiaohm	Not like nuclear arms are really that useful.	Mar 20 15:23
DaemonFC	yeah, but the Republicans might block it jsut because Obama asked them to sign off on it	Mar 20 15:23
DaemonFC	http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62I39320100319?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r2:c0.140056:b32061944:z0	Mar 20 15:24
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DaemonFC	Walmart PR masking as news	Mar 20 15:24
Omar87	oiaohm, do you agree with me that Balmer is a human-shaped jellyfish? :D	Mar 20 15:25
DaemonFC	Omar87: No, he has bone mass	Mar 20 15:26
Omar87	DaemonFC, But he walks and talks like jellyfish, man.	Mar 20 15:26
DaemonFC	take away his billions of dollars and he's just another fat bald guy eating TV dinners and collecting unemployment checks	Mar 20 15:26
Omar87	DaemonFC, he seems like a biological water balloon.	Mar 20 15:27
Omar87	DaemonFC, LOL! Nice one! :D	Mar 20 15:27
DaemonFC	Indiana is one of 15 states suing the EPA over "global warming"	Mar 20 15:28
DaemonFC	http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1916237120100319	Mar 20 15:29
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oiaohm	There is one thing being a biological water ballon can be thyroid trouble. Also leads to forms of insanity.	Mar 20 15:29
oiaohm	You kinda wonder if Balmer is really very sick and does not know it.	Mar 20 15:29
DaemonFC	""Social security is socialism," said Jim Chase, 80, a retiree on social security"	Mar 20 15:34
DaemonFC	nice	Mar 20 15:34
DaemonFC	so write the SSA and tell them you refuse to take it	Mar 20 15:34
DaemonFC	see if anyone will hire an 80 year old man :)	Mar 20 15:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] "Social security is socialism," said Jim Chase, 80, a retiree on social security. (BEST QUOTE EVER)		Mar 20 15:37
DaemonFC	I see, HE can retire and take it. But nobody else should	Mar 20 15:37
schestowitz	[13:32] <oiaohm> Best possiable buyer of SUSE would be IBM. schestowitz	Mar 20 15:41
schestowitz	Most likely too	Mar 20 15:41
schestowitz	Or SAP	Mar 20 15:41
oiaohm	Not really the last Linux distribution SAP aquired died.	Mar 20 15:42
schestowitz	[14:22] <Omar87> oiaohm, Sheesh!! I finally found a very good reason to pull out of Facebook!! :D	Mar 20 15:42
schestowitz	Congrats	Mar 20 15:42
Omar87	schestowitz, ever heard of Michael Lewis?	Mar 20 15:42
DaemonFC	Omar87: Ballmer is like Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force	Mar 20 15:42
DaemonFC	only he wears a suit	Mar 20 15:42
schestowitz	Ender2070: yes, I saw what Joe Brockmeier is doing	Mar 20 15:43
Ender2070	lawl	Mar 20 15:43
schestowitz	Novell boosters think alike	Mar 20 15:43
Ender2070	you saw the thing on ACCESS ?	Mar 20 15:43
Ender2070	http://ostatic.com/blog/a-look-at-limo-interview-with-david-lefty-schlesinger	Mar 20 15:44
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Omar87	DaemonFC, perfect analogy!	Mar 20 15:44
Omar87	:D	Mar 20 15:44
DaemonFC	Omar87: http://www.break.com/usercontent/2009/2/Aqua-Teen-Hunger-Force-Hand-Banana-669545.html	Mar 20 15:44
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DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 20 15:44
schestowitz	[15:01] <oiaohm> Also Waggener Edstrom is in the perception management business. So what ever information that can have on you to discredit you at times they find an advantage.	Mar 20 15:44
schestowitz	They did this for Vista 7	Mar 20 15:44
DaemonFC	Hand Banana, NO!!!	Mar 20 15:44
schestowitz	They bribed bloggers	Mar 20 15:44
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 20 15:44
schestowitz	W-E came from inside Microsoft	Mar 20 15:45
schestowitz	Pam's offshoot	Mar 20 15:45
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schestowitz	They created the big lie around the spoiled brat, BillG	Mar 20 15:45
schestowitz	She did	Mar 20 15:45
schestowitz	Now they have many hundreds of staff to do it full time	Mar 20 15:45
Ender2070	anyone know of any popular apps for ACCESS Linux Platform (ALP)	Mar 20 15:45
Ender2070	im having a hard time finding any	Mar 20 15:45
Ender2070	at all	Mar 20 15:46
schestowitz	[15:14] <oiaohm> Gets even more fun when you look at high personal of WE and high person of MS. A few of them are married to each other in real life. Omar87	Mar 20 15:46
schestowitz	Ballmer and his wife	Mar 20 15:46
DaemonFC	oh no, with this chest congestion thing, I can say "rape" just like Hand Banana	Mar 20 15:46
schestowitz	Connie Snyder Ballmer is from W-E	Mar 20 15:46
DaemonFC	cool	Mar 20 15:46
schestowitz	Oh, nm. You beat me to it	Mar 20 15:46
schestowitz	Anyway, Pam is close to BillG	Mar 20 15:47
schestowitz	her daughter wrote a book based on the time she spent with the management	Mar 20 15:47
schestowitz	Microsoft relies heavily on perception/marketing	Mar 20 15:47
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schestowitz	Reuters is a price watcher now?	Mar 20 15:48
schestowitz	[15:42] <oiaohm> Not really the last Linux distribution SAP aquired died.	Mar 20 15:48
schestowitz	which one?	Mar 20 15:48
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schestowitz	Omar87: sounds familiar, who's he?	Mar 20 15:48
schestowitz	[15:42] <DaemonFC> Omar87: Ballmer is like Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force	Mar 20 15:48
schestowitz	For a moment I thought of Abba Tenns	Mar 20 15:49
schestowitz	I brought it up a few days ago as bands without talent who disappear after some time on TV	Mar 20 15:49
schestowitz	[15:45] <Ender2070> anyone know of any popular apps for ACCESS Linux Platform (ALP)	Mar 20 15:49
schestowitz	ALP is RIP	Mar 20 15:50
schestowitz	Since ages ago	Mar 20 15:50
schestowitz	I'm surprised they still try at all	Mar 20 15:50
schestowitz	LIPS fell into LIMO	Mar 20 15:50
schestowitz	Bill Weis<Something> has vanished with it	Mar 20 15:50
oiaohm	schestowitz: I made a mistake. SAP was one of the driven forces behind UnitedLinux that fell appart due to infighting out side there control.	Mar 20 15:52
oiaohm	Now I hope there cat hurding ablity has improved since then if they take over SUSE	Mar 20 15:52
Ender2070	they still call it alp	Mar 20 15:57
Ender2070	i know its pretty dead	Mar 20 15:57
Ender2070	im doing a comparison against android	Mar 20 15:57
Ender2070	lol	Mar 20 15:57
Ender2070	ok this time, can anyone name some android apps that are popular besides CompareEverywhere and Torrent Droid	Mar 20 15:57
Ender2070	and the google ones	Mar 20 16:00
Ender2070	shazam is badass btw	Mar 20 16:01
omar_	Anyone ever heard of an author named Michael Lewis?:	Mar 20 16:03
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omar_	I just found a book for him that seems quite appealing, it's called: "The Big Short: Inside the Doomsday Machine".	Mar 20 16:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Government webpage for every citizen in the race to create a paperless society - Microsoft magnet? http://tinyurl.com/ykb283u		Mar 20 16:06
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schestowitz	oiaohm: ithat's what I thought	Mar 20 16:07
schestowitz	Nm, he left	Mar 20 16:07
schestowitz	Ender2070: it had many names	Mar 20 16:07
schestowitz	Back in Orange days	Mar 20 16:07
schestowitz	I've covered Linux advocacy for 5 years or so, it goes a long way back to Palm/ACCESS	Mar 20 16:08
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Pinta... What's with the total rewrite?	Mar 20 16:08
schestowitz	I'm still a Palm customer, almost 10 years now	Mar 20 16:08
DaemonFC	Where did Paint-Mono go?	Mar 20 16:08
schestowitz	DaemonFC: doubt it!	Mar 20 16:08
schestowitz	omar_: about computing?	Mar 20 16:08
schestowitz	Or broader?	Mar 20 16:09
omar_	schestowitz, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393072231/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance	Mar 20 16:09
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schestowitz	How about a domain, go-home-mono.org?	Mar 20 16:09
schestowitz	Like go-mono with a pun	Mar 20 16:09
*schestowitz cover eyes! (AMAZON!! My eyes!!)		Mar 20 16:09
omar_	schestowitz, I would go for: go-to-hell-mono.org :-)	Mar 20 16:10
DaemonFC	I used to use Paint.Net until Gimp decided to release a 64-bit version	Mar 20 16:10
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omar_	schestowitz, can you give me a better book shopping website?	Mar 20 16:11
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Ender2070	DaemonFC - paint mono got a name change	Mar 20 16:14
Ender2070	its called "Pinta" now	Mar 20 16:15
Ender2070	im sure we'll see it in Ubuntu 10.10	Mar 20 16:15
Ender2070	just because its mono	Mar 20 16:15
Omar87	schestowitz, would you recommend Barnes and Noble instead?	Mar 20 16:15
cubezzz	Chapters/Indigo used Microsoft btw	Mar 20 16:30
cubezzz	the whole world is contaminated	Mar 20 16:30
cubezzz	that reminds me, anyone know a good substitute for kindle?	Mar 20 16:33
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neighborlee	cubezzz: there is apples new toy, or you can go OSS with android stuff though atm I dont know of large displays : or this::: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2341536,00.asp	Mar 20 16:36
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neighborlee	old article, but maybe useful for you o_0	Mar 20 16:36
Ender2070	cubezzz - the chapters near my place has apple hardware at all its kiosks	Mar 20 16:36
cubezzz	neighborlee, thanks	Mar 20 16:36
Ender2070	cubezzz - touchscreen imacs or something	Mar 20 16:36
cubezzz	Ender2070, hmmm interesting	Mar 20 16:36
Omar87	Anyone knows a bookstore better than Amazon?	Mar 20 16:37
Ender2070	who knows what their backend is	Mar 20 16:37
cubezzz	in Oshawa they were running WIndows Server 2003	Mar 20 16:37
Ender2070	Omar87 - lulu.com	Mar 20 16:37
cubezzz	evidently they all suck :-/	Mar 20 16:37
cubezzz	maybe I'll get the netwalker and just reprogram it	Mar 20 16:37
cubezzz	screen's kind of small though	Mar 20 16:38
Ender2070	netwalker ?	Mar 20 16:38
cubezzz	yeah Sharp's successor to the zaurus	Mar 20 16:38
Ender2070	you're looking for a kindle like thing?	Mar 20 16:38
cubezzz	yeah	Mar 20 16:38
cubezzz	I don't really like any of them so far	Mar 20 16:39
Omar87	Ender2070, thanks, but lulu.com doesn't sell mainstream books.	Mar 20 16:39
Ender2070	mainstream is the lamestream	Mar 20 16:39
Omar87	Ender2070, mainstream = those written by famous authors.	Mar 20 16:39
cubezzz	they're selling C1000's for a bit over $300	Mar 20 16:39
Ender2070	famous authors can afford publishers	Mar 20 16:40
cubezzz	I like classic books like SHerlock Holmes and H.G. Wells myself	Mar 20 16:40
Ender2070	i read HG Wells	Mar 20 16:40
Ender2070	hes interesting to read	Mar 20 16:40
Omar87	Ender2070, would you recommend Barnes and Noble?	Mar 20 16:40
Ender2070	never dealt with barnes and noble myself	Mar 20 16:40
Ender2070	im writing my own book i plan to use lulu.com	Mar 20 16:41
Ender2070	they can hook me up with amazon too	Mar 20 16:41
cubezzz	is it about an Evil software company that takes over the world? ;)	Mar 20 16:41
Ender2070	no	Mar 20 16:41
Ender2070	sci-fi	Mar 20 16:42
Ender2070	conspiracy related	Mar 20 16:42
Omar87	Ender2070, actually the Barnes and Noble website is built with ASP.NET. :P	Mar 20 16:43
cubezzz	is there SD wifi cards?	Mar 20 16:43
Ender2070	cubezzz - i think so	Mar 20 16:43
Ender2070	omar87 - disgusting	Mar 20 16:43
Omar87	Ender2070, of course.	Mar 20 16:44
Ender2070	asp.net is for idiots	Mar 20 16:44
Omar87	Ender2070, I totally agree.	Mar 20 16:44
neighborlee	cubezzz: http://ostatic.com/blog/three-open-source-e-book-readers-worth-a-look < this too	Mar 20 16:44
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*neighborlee bookmarks		Mar 20 16:44
Omar87	Ender2070, and M$ kool-aiders.	Mar 20 16:44
cubezzz	I just call them all dozers :)	Mar 20 16:44
Ender2070	i dont think anyone is writing asp.net code unless their pointy haired manager is making them	Mar 20 16:44
Ender2070	even the m$ lovers	Mar 20 16:45
Ender2070	its PHP with down syndrome	Mar 20 16:45
Ender2070	and tourettes	Mar 20 16:45
Omar87	Ender2070, the reason I'm kinda more attracted to Amazon is that they seem to be the cheapest.	Mar 20 16:45
cubezzz	thans neighborlee, this looks more like it	Mar 20 16:45
cubezzz	thanks	Mar 20 16:45
Ender2070	Omar87 - like i said before, with Lulu they can publish my book on Amazon for a little extra	Mar 20 16:45
Ender2070	:)	Mar 20 16:46
Ender2070	i like amazon	Mar 20 16:46
cubezzz	hrmmmm	Mar 20 16:46
Omar87	Ender2070, I like Lulu as well. (Although they have a "Win an iPay" competition).	Mar 20 16:46
Ender2070	LOL	Mar 20 16:46
Ender2070	cory doctrow made a good point on the ipod	Mar 20 16:47
Omar87	iPad	Mar 20 16:47
cubezzz	a zaurus version! w00t	Mar 20 16:47
Ender2070	having the itunes store increases lockin, because once you look at another music player, your paid music becomes worthless	Mar 20 16:47
cubezzz	that seals the deal	Mar 20 16:47
Ender2070	as you buy more music, the cost of switcing away from ipod increases	Mar 20 16:48
Ender2070	same with the iphone/ipad I think	Mar 20 16:48
Ender2070	you buy all these apps for them, and you watch to switch? there goes your money	Mar 20 16:48
cubezzz	is anyone really an M$ lover?	Mar 20 16:48
Ender2070	unfortunately yes	Mar 20 16:49
Ender2070	basicly the people who worship greed love ms	Mar 20 16:49
Omar87	Booksamillion seems pretty cool.	Mar 20 16:49
cubezzz	unless they made money from the stock, it seems unlikely anyone would "love" Microsoft	Mar 20 16:50
Omar87	cubezzz, trust me. I personally know a couple pathetic people who love M$ to the spine.	Mar 20 16:50
*cubezzz shakes his head		Mar 20 16:51
Omar87	cubezzz, check out this girl for example: baraahomari.blogspot.com	Mar 20 16:51
Ender2070	cubezzz - http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Marvell-Moby/	Mar 20 16:51
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Omar87	http://baraahomari.blogspot.com	Mar 20 16:51
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Ender2070	cubezzz - theres lots of people who make money off of Microsoft	Mar 20 16:51
cubezzz	PC techs? :)	Mar 20 16:52
Ender2070	cubezzz - c# devs can now make iphone apps and make money	Mar 20 16:52
cubezzz	doing reinstalls all the time? :)	Mar 20 16:52
Ender2070	pc techs	Mar 20 16:52
Omar87	cubezzz, she is (or used to be, I'm not really sure) a friend of mine.	Mar 20 16:52
Ender2070	oems who sell computers	Mar 20 16:52
Omar87	cubezzz, and even more specifically, check this out: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yH2oX9dIGfM/S3cXsI-YeFI/AAAAAAAAAC0/n9G_hoF9qxw/s1600-h/026.JPG	Mar 20 16:53
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cubezzz	the generation after me doesn't think about non Microsoft much	Mar 20 16:53
cubezzz	people born after 1985	Mar 20 16:53
cubezzz	of course there are some exceptions	Mar 20 16:53
Omar87	"non Microsoft"	Mar 20 16:54
Omar87	cubezzz, I was born in 1987, btw.	Mar 20 16:54
cubezzz	OK, I should say FOSS :)	Mar 20 16:54
cubezzz	which is true	Mar 20 16:54
Omar87	cubezzz, I see. :)	Mar 20 16:54
Omar87	Yeah, I agree.	Mar 20 16:54
cubezzz	I'm always explaining the importance but...	Mar 20 16:55
Ender2070	antivirus vendors	Mar 20 16:55
Ender2070	anti malware vendors	Mar 20 16:55
Ender2070	the novell people make lots of money off microsoft	Mar 20 16:55
cubezzz	it's harder for non programmers to understand I think	Mar 20 16:55
Ender2070	cubezzz - i was born 1984, so ur right	Mar 20 16:55
Ender2070	LOL	Mar 20 16:55
Ender2070	average joe doesnt care	Mar 20 16:55
Ender2070	to him a pc is like a car	Mar 20 16:55
cubezzz	yikes, I just looked at the jpg	Mar 20 16:55
Ender2070	he just wants to turn it on and use it	Mar 20 16:56
Ender2070	which is bad for the rest of us	Mar 20 16:56
Omar87	Anyone tried Booksamillion?	Mar 20 16:56
Ender2070	no	Mar 20 16:56
cubezzz	cars need maintainance	Mar 20 16:56
cubezzz	computes need maintainance	Mar 20 16:56
cubezzz	brains need to think ;-)	Mar 20 16:56
Ender2070	cars need maintainance but you dont need to be a mechanic to take it to one	Mar 20 16:56
Ender2070	and nobodys mechanic is recommending changing the cars firmware or anything to something more open	Mar 20 16:57
Ender2070	lol	Mar 20 16:57
Ender2070	this is where things are different though, the car is for one purpose, the computer can do a trillion things	Mar 20 16:57
Ender2070	limited by computational speed and imagination	Mar 20 16:57
cubezzz	car has computer inside it :)	Mar 20 16:57
Ender2070	yes	Mar 20 16:58
Ender2070	my buddy has the interface for it so he doesnt get ripped off by mechanics	Mar 20 16:58
Ender2070	lol	Mar 20 16:58
Ender2070	he'll bring his car to the shop already having the diagnostic	Mar 20 16:58
cubezzz	Ender2070, I use cab or public trans	Mar 20 16:59
Ender2070	sometimes they might tell him more work has to be done, and then he owns them	Mar 20 16:59
cubezzz	then I have more $$$ for computer stuff	Mar 20 16:59
Ender2070	i use public transportation or walk	Mar 20 16:59
Omar87	cubezzz, but I think learning the basic things about how to deal with and maintain your own computer wouldn't be any harder than learning how to fill up you gas trunk and or changing the oil.. etc.	Mar 20 16:59
cubezzz	and some customers even pick me up :)	Mar 20 16:59
Ender2070	nice	Mar 20 16:59
Omar87	your*	Mar 20 16:59
cubezzz	yeah if they want it done fast :)	Mar 20 17:00
Ender2070	antivirus is like having to buy a rope to keep your broken muffler on	Mar 20 17:00
cubezzz	Ender2070, over half of my customers use Linux now	Mar 20 17:00
Ender2070	:)	Mar 20 17:00
cubezzz	at the very least, dual boot	Mar 20 17:00
Omar87	cubezzz, well done! :)	Mar 20 17:00
Ender2070	you mean GNU/Linux right ?	Mar 20 17:00
cubezzz	it's cheaper for them	Mar 20 17:01
cubezzz	yes, yes	Mar 20 17:01
Ender2070	;)	Mar 20 17:01
cubezzz	when they realize they can save $$$ it's not hard to convince them	Mar 20 17:01
Ender2070	most of the people I try to convert are already lost causes	Mar 20 17:03
Ender2070	they have "apps" or "games" that won't run	Mar 20 17:03
cubezzz	dosbox... wine....	Mar 20 17:03
Ender2070	dosbox doesnt run modern warfare 2	Mar 20 17:03
Ender2070	nor does wine	Mar 20 17:03
Ender2070	theres a lot of games wine doesnt run	Mar 20 17:04
cubezzz	cedega?	Mar 20 17:04
Ender2070	it runs a few popular ones well though	Mar 20 17:04
Ender2070	cedega is even worse now	Mar 20 17:04
Ender2070	no updates in like a year	Mar 20 17:04
Ender2070	it runs wow and photoshop (wine) very well	Mar 20 17:04
Ender2070	but other than that, not every game	Mar 20 17:04
Ender2070	unfortunately	Mar 20 17:05
Ender2070	i prefer consoles for games though	Mar 20 17:05
cubezzz	well, there's always dual booting or just 2 computers :)	Mar 20 17:05
Ender2070	its seperated from my pc too so I don't have to install stuff that spys on me	Mar 20 17:05
Ender2070	dual boot is good stuff for those people	Mar 20 17:05
Ender2070	a friend of mine though has a hard on for ms office for some reason	Mar 20 17:06
Omar87	Okay, http://booksamillion.com/ seems quite appealing.	Mar 20 17:06
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Omar87	So far, that is.	Mar 20 17:06
Ender2070	thinks its better than openoffice	Mar 20 17:06
Ender2070	http://www.booksamillion.com/product/9781602398023?id=4691041883849	Mar 20 17:07
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Ender2070	he has a show now	Mar 20 17:07
Omar87	Okay, Booksamillion is pretty good. But they are not as cheap as Amazon! :-(	Mar 20 17:22
DaemonFC	I found a prescription for Amoxicillin that I never filled, the problem is that it's from 2007 and they expire after a year	Mar 20 17:24
DaemonFC	I briefly considered changing the 7 to a 9, but then it's felony forgery	Mar 20 17:24
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 20 17:24
DaemonFC	so I get to be sick until I can get in to see the doctor on Tuesday and watch it be gone by then	Mar 20 17:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Woot woot, got remote control working with MythTV thanks to @tonywhitmore and now watching Come Dine With Me repeats. Epic win!		Mar 20 18:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Off to mums with her Mumbuntu computer this evening.		Mar 20 18:25
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DaemonFC	http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/03/20/pope.letter.abuse.ireland/?hpt=T2	Mar 20 18:52
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DaemonFC	heh	Mar 20 18:52
MinceR	he's been accused of having a conscience	Mar 20 18:53
MinceR	i'm not convinced yet	Mar 20 18:54
DaemonFC	MinceR: He said sorry. :P	Mar 20 18:54
DaemonFC	That PROVES he has a conscience, right? :P	Mar 20 18:55
MinceR	not really	Mar 20 18:55
MinceR	he could be lying	Mar 20 18:55
DaemonFC	he's sorry he got caught	Mar 20 18:55
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 20 18:55
MinceR	right	Mar 20 18:55
MinceR	also, the company he's CEO of is specialized in lying to people	Mar 20 18:55
MinceR	(hm, this does make it sound like certain other companies, even though those don't have tax-exempt status)	Mar 20 18:56
DaemonFC	some of them come close	Mar 20 18:58
DaemonFC	depends on how much of your advertising budget you can pump into "charities"	Mar 20 18:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] Pope says 'sorry' for Irish church abuse - http://bit.ly/dCXhnM #cnn "I'm real sorry I got caught, when can little Timmy come play?"		Mar 20 19:01
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DaemonFC	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Half_follis-Justinian_I-sb0165.jpg	Mar 20 19:02
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DaemonFC	the same Emperor that tricked thousands of political enemies into an arena and butchered them. On a coin and holding a cross.	Mar 20 19:03
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DaemonFC	(Justinian I)	Mar 20 19:03
MinceR	what's the problem with that? for most of the time since its invention that cross stood for things like that	Mar 20 19:08
MinceR	:>	Mar 20 19:08
DaemonFC	then there was Basil II :)	Mar 20 19:09
DaemonFC	"Basil was said to have captured 15,000 prisoners and blinded 99 of every 100 men, leaving 150 one-eyed men to lead them back to their ruler."	Mar 20 19:10
DaemonFC	in the conquest of Bulgaria	Mar 20 19:10
DaemonFC	I like his style :P	Mar 20 19:10
DaemonFC	I like his style :P	Mar 20 19:10
DaemonFC	errr	Mar 20 19:10
DaemonFC	oh well, worth saying twice	Mar 20 19:11
DaemonFC	cripple them and make them an ongoing burden to the enemy	Mar 20 19:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Why do are all #StarTrek chars classical music buffs? All they choose is classical from some composer or culture. Are all other genres dead?		Mar 20 19:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Considering this recipe for Sunday roast tomorrow. Got leg of lamb and veggies. Means getting up early :S http://bit.ly/88uwB		Mar 20 19:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @popey Why does that look like a human head in a pot covered in marinade? :)		Mar 20 19:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Staff Shrank by ~10% and Novell Allegedly Plays Hard to Get With #ElliottAssociates http://ur1.ca/qrtz		Mar 20 19:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Later on I might test pausing live telly on Myth. Not tried yet, don't want to jepoardize wifeys enjoyment of Ant & Dec.		Mar 20 19:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Get up early to buy Iron Maiden tickets for Concord 'Final Frontier' tour date. Check. Tired. Check. Excited. Check. :-)		Mar 20 20:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I'm guessing it's to show how cultured we all are in the future #StarTrek in the hopes of making it a selfulfilling prophecy		Mar 20 20:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Going to get my opportunistic code on with a little Acire hacking. Going to push out a release today. :-)		Mar 20 20:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Eek 'have you just paused live telly?' 'yes' 'eek! I havent tested that' 'well, lets see if it worked'. She presses play. Success!		Mar 20 20:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Señor de Icaza and Other #Microsoft MVPs have a get-together at the company’s event http://ur1.ca/qs07		Mar 20 20:27
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schestowitz	Omar87: I don't buy books, I don't know what to recommend as a shop	Mar 20 20:29
schestowitz	[16:15] <Omar87> schestowitz, would you recommend Barnes and Noble instead?	Mar 20 20:30
schestowitz	They have a Linux eReader	Mar 20 20:30
schestowitz	I can't think of anything nasty they did	Mar 20 20:30
schestowitz	neighborlee: yes, almost all eReaders use Linux	Mar 20 20:31
schestowitz	The new ones anyway	Mar 20 20:31
schestowitz	Some move to Android, which will be merged with Linux again	Mar 20 20:31
schestowitz	Omar87: yes, Lule is good, like Ender2070_ said. It was created by Red Hat's founder or managed by him. it has a DRM episode of bad PR though	Mar 20 20:32
MinceR	or chrome will be merged with android instead	Mar 20 20:32
MinceR	s/me/me os/	Mar 20 20:33
schestowitz	[18:52] <phIRCe-BNc> Title: Pope says 'sorry' for Irish church abuse - CNN.com .::. Size~: 57.69 KB	Mar 20 20:34
schestowitz	Sorry for getting caught? :-)	Mar 20 20:34
MinceR	that was DaemonFC's interpretation too	Mar 20 20:34
schestowitz	[20:32] <MinceR> or chrome will be merged with android instead	Mar 20 20:35
schestowitz	That too	Mar 20 20:35
schestowitz	Brin said something to that effect	Mar 20 20:35
schestowitz	it was not a promise or anything formal though	Mar 20 20:35
schestowitz	I think I read about it in a British paper citing another (USian one)	Mar 20 20:35
schestowitz	[20:34] <MinceR> that was DaemonFC's interpretation too	Mar 20 20:36
schestowitz	Yes, I saw that later on	Mar 20 20:36
schestowitz	Omar87: just came across http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=azD8d6Qkf5ys	Mar 20 20:40
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schestowitz	Coincidence or what?	Mar 20 20:40
_goblin	Im getting an Android phone	Mar 20 20:41
_goblin	sorry....late conversation I know.	Mar 20 20:42
MinceR	i'm once again undecided about getting a new phone	Mar 20 20:42
MinceR	there's a tiny bit of hope that a new phone would appear with MeeGo	Mar 20 20:42
MinceR	or i could get an N97 once i get paid again	Mar 20 20:43
schestowitz	http://rawstory.com/2010/03/report-boy-scouts-covered-sex-abuse-decades/	Mar 20 20:45
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schestowitz	They have something in common with the Church	Mar 20 20:45
schestowitz	_goblin: which one?	Mar 20 20:45
schestowitz	Avoid the Samsung ones	Mar 20 20:45
schestowitz	They are Ballnux	Mar 20 20:45
schestowitz	Vadaphone badges them here "360"	Mar 20 20:45
*schestowitz struggles to find a PDA		Mar 20 20:46
_goblin	lol	Mar 20 20:46
_goblin	guess which one Im getting.	Mar 20 20:46
_goblin	the samsung	Mar 20 20:46
_goblin	I think	Mar 20 20:46
schestowitz	phone sans the spying/bills/radiation/nags	Mar 20 20:46
_goblin	I was offered another Windows phone....said no.	Mar 20 20:46
schestowitz	I don't want my PDA to shout at me while I concentrate on something	Mar 20 20:47
schestowitz	_goblin: o boy	Mar 20 20:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] “We’ve told you already, stop using XP”? – XP and IE9 + alternatives. http://tinyurl.com/ydmzpry #microsoft #windows #vista #xp #ie #fail		Mar 20 20:47
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_goblin	why is it ballnux?	Mar 20 20:47
schestowitz	Go for Motorola	Mar 20 20:47
schestowitz	_goblin: cause it us	Mar 20 20:47
schestowitz	*is	Mar 20 20:47
schestowitz	Microsoft is paid for the Linux in it	Mar 20 20:47
_goblin	.....	Mar 20 20:47
DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/19/lhc_3_point_5_tev/	Mar 20 20:48
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DaemonFC	The plot to blow up Vatical City continues	Mar 20 20:48
_goblin	Well if I have to pay MS to use Android, Id rather do that then have Windows on a phone again....	Mar 20 20:48
DaemonFC	*Vatican	Mar 20 20:48
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 20 20:48
_goblin	not that Im condoning it, but its the lesser of two evils.	Mar 20 20:48
schestowitz	http://rawstory.com/2010/03/obama-effigy-hung-school/	Mar 20 20:49
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schestowitz	Bush got this treatment too	Mar 20 20:49
schestowitz	_goblin: just avoid LG and Samsung	Mar 20 20:50
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Cause he publicly supported firing the teachers	Mar 20 20:50
DaemonFC	It's not some racist thing	Mar 20 20:50
schestowitz	Who said it was?	Mar 20 20:50
DaemonFC	The teacher wasn't fired either	Mar 20 20:50
_goblin	schestowitz: its a little late...its arriving on Monday....	Mar 20 20:51
_goblin	schestowitz: I suppose I could return it...................	Mar 20 20:51
schestowitz	No, don't bother	Mar 20 20:51
_goblin	schestowitz: and although I would like to say I will.....convenience will probably dictate I don't.	Mar 20 20:51
schestowitz	it's no big deal	Mar 20 20:51
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I don't think the administration fully approves the fact that this isn't the fault of the teachers	Mar 20 20:51
DaemonFC	it's the fault of juvenile delinquents	Mar 20 20:52
DaemonFC	if they want to drop out and get pregnant at 15, why not?	Mar 20 20:52
DaemonFC	If they want to be a gas station attendant, let them	Mar 20 20:53
DaemonFC	it's not like the schools have been given the authority to force the kids to go to school	Mar 20 20:53
DaemonFC	they just get blamed for the mess anyway	Mar 20 20:53
DaemonFC	very anti-intellectual generation, schestowitz	Mar 20 20:54
schestowitz	Wow. /. is sslllow. http://not403.blogspot.com/2010/03/example-of-awesomeness-of-open-source.html	Mar 20 20:55
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DaemonFC	what the hell is the school supposed to do about it? the president wants to hurt the half that don't want to drop out of be fucktards	Mar 20 20:55
DaemonFC	I can kind of see the grudge there can't you?	Mar 20 20:55
schestowitz	They could start a company around that project Oracle is dropping	Mar 20 20:58
schestowitz	DaemonFC: I was not arguing	Mar 20 20:58
DaemonFC	Well, these leftist groups are trying to paint the teacher to be a KKK member or something	Mar 20 20:59
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schestowitz	Which state?	Mar 20 21:03
schestowitz	http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/lubuntu-watched/	Mar 20 21:03
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schestowitz	does anyone other than _goblin use xfce or lxde?	Mar 20 21:03
neighborlee	I dont even use linux atm	Mar 20 21:08
neighborlee	not that I Dont want to, I dont have ROOM for it 'atm' ;)	Mar 20 21:08
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neighborlee	but when I do, ill be going for pcbsd which defauts to kde,,see how that goes.	Mar 20 21:09
schestowitz	LOL http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/ftcs-pamela-jones-harbour-takes-google-to-task-on-privacy/?cs=40161	Mar 20 21:09
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schestowitz	"Paula Jones"	Mar 20 21:09
schestowitz	She confused PJ from Groklaw	Mar 20 21:09
MinceR	that isn't linux though :>	Mar 20 21:09
schestowitz	it's free desktop	Mar 20 21:10
schestowitz	Linux is small	Mar 20 21:10
schestowitz	KDE is big	Mar 20 21:10
MinceR	http://www.atheistcartoons.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/nobodyisperfect.jpg	Mar 20 21:10
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schestowitz	UNiX competition can pressure Linus	Mar 20 21:12
schestowitz	MinceR: barbaric	Mar 20 21:12
schestowitz	Suitable for medieval cults	Mar 20 21:12
schestowitz	http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/03/19/rumor-schedules-google-china-exit-for-april-10th?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WebpronewsTopNewsRssFeed+%28Top+News+Items+-+WebProNews%29	Mar 20 21:14
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Rumor Schedules Google China Exit For April 10th \| WebProNews .::. Size~: 36.63 KB	Mar 20 21:15
schestowitz	Do no-vell?	Mar 20 21:15
MinceR	:>	Mar 20 21:15
DaemonFC	I need to find some antibiotics somewhere	Mar 20 21:15
DaemonFC	I think my mom still has those Cephalexin capsules she got for the dog.....	Mar 20 21:16
DaemonFC	hmmmm	Mar 20 21:16
schestowitz	Why do you share this info?	Mar 20 21:16
DaemonFC	I dunno	Mar 20 21:17
DaemonFC	been laying here sick all day	Mar 20 21:17
schestowitz	http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1597248/cyberbullies-prosecuted	Mar 20 21:18
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Cyberbullies to be prosecuted - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 62.31 KB	Mar 20 21:18
schestowitz	DaemonFC: flu?	Mar 20 21:18
DaemonFC	no, some kind of respiratory infection	Mar 20 21:19
schestowitz	http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100318PM200.html	Mar 20 21:19
schestowitz	Fxconn ... DaemonFC is their worst nightmare	Mar 20 21:19
schestowitz	Did them massive PR blunder in Ubuntu f0rums	Mar 20 21:19
DaemonFC	If I could get up the nerve, I'd just change the 2007 to "2009" on that prescription I have	Mar 20 21:19
DaemonFC	get some Amoxicillin	Mar 20 21:20
schestowitz	It makes your life shorter	Mar 20 21:20
DaemonFC	hmmmm?	Mar 20 21:20
schestowitz	Ich.....	Mar 20 21:20
schestowitz	http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1597110/-powerful-voices-source-software-named	Mar 20 21:20
phIRCe-BNc	Title: 'powerful voices' in open source software named - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 60.98 KB	Mar 20 21:20
DaemonFC	It's just an antibiotic	Mar 20 21:20
schestowitz	They quote MSFTers	Mar 20 21:20
schestowitz	DaemonFC: illness though	Mar 20 21:20
DaemonFC	yeah, you know how the law is though	Mar 20 21:21
schestowitz	STay clear of people who cough... germs	Mar 20 21:21
DaemonFC	they probably would punish me for tweaking that expired prescription like I was after Oxycontin or something	Mar 20 21:21
DaemonFC	you know they would	Mar 20 21:21
neighborlee	DaemonFC: as if Haim and MJ aren't proof enough to not do such things	Mar 20 21:22
DaemonFC	the dentist did some minor work on one of my teeth in 2007 and wrote out the prescription for Amoxicillin	Mar 20 21:22
schestowitz	http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1596725/windows-phone-os-cut-paste	Mar 20 21:23
DaemonFC	I never had it filled and found it this morning	Mar 20 21:23
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Windows phone os will not have cut and paste - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 68.52 KB	Mar 20 21:23
neighborlee	DaemonFC: dont bother ..pharmacists aren't that stupid ;)	Mar 20 21:24
MinceR	lol	Mar 20 21:24
MinceR	windows mobile 7 will be hypePhone OS all over	Mar 20 21:24
schestowitz	http://blog.flurry.com/bid/31410/Day-74-Sales-Apple-iPhone-vs-Google-Nexus-One-vs-Motorola-Droid	Mar 20 21:25
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schestowitz	MinceR: they wish	Mar 20 21:25
schestowitz	HypePhone at least sold	Mar 20 21:25
schestowitz	WinMob has ~8% market 'shred'	Mar 20 21:25
MinceR	hypePhone only sold to the mentally impaired	Mar 20 21:25
MinceR	it will be same thing with winmob7	Mar 20 21:25
schestowitz	No	Mar 20 21:25
schestowitz	Hyponotised	Mar 20 21:25
MinceR	same thing	Mar 20 21:26
schestowitz	Hyponotised->hypephone	Mar 20 21:26
schestowitz	Mob->WinMob	Mar 20 21:26
schestowitz	Sheep->Nokia	Mar 20 21:26
schestowitz	All roads go to haven	Mar 20 21:26
schestowitz	[sic]	Mar 20 21:26
MinceR	o_O	Mar 20 21:26
schestowitz	Mehhhhh...	Mar 20 21:26
schestowitz	http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=android+male&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8	Mar 20 21:27
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schestowitz	Now, I'm not saying makes are necessarily smarter, but....	Mar 20 21:27
schestowitz	http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62E1RJ20100315?type=technologyNews	Mar 20 21:28
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Dell sues 5 Asia tech firms, alleging LCD cartel\| Reuters .::. Size~: 48.88 KB	Mar 20 21:28
schestowitz	HellDell	Mar 20 21:28
schestowitz	It's DELLFIRE	Mar 20 21:28
schestowitz	They are DELLBENT on destroying Linux	Mar 20 21:28
schestowitz	To DELL with those pillocks	Mar 20 21:28
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MinceR	:>	Mar 20 21:30
schestowitz	http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/dd69e680-2e06-11df-b85c-00144feabdc0.html	Mar 20 21:31
phIRCe-BNc	Title: FT.com / Technology - Google ‘99% certain’ to shut China engine .::. Size~: 55.75 KB	Mar 20 21:31
schestowitz	I don't get it	Mar 20 21:31
schestowitz	Do investors agree?	Mar 20 21:31
schestowitz	This would be unprecedented	Mar 20 21:32
schestowitz	Is there something Google gains here?	Mar 20 21:32
schestowitz	Does. NOT. Compute!	Mar 20 21:32
schestowitz	Scroll down: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/19/loch_ness_stig/	Mar 20 21:38
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Loch Ness Stig blurred into oblivion • The Register .::. Size~: 26.75 KB	Mar 20 21:38
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/18/job_ad_row/	Mar 20 21:40
phIRCe-BNc	Title: 'Racist' job ad sparks investigation • The Register .::. Size~: 20.37 KB	Mar 20 21:40
schestowitz	"Sorry, GeoCities has closed." http://geocities.yahoo.com/index.php	Mar 20 21:43
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Yahoo! GeoCities: Get a web site with easy-to-use site building tools. .::. Size~: 15.77 KB	Mar 20 21:43
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Don't worry, it wasn't about racial quotas	Mar 20 21:43
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/18/yahoo_sports_buy/	Mar 20 21:43
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Yahoo! buys! fantasy! sports! site! • The Register .::. Size~: 19.12 KB	Mar 20 21:43
schestowitz	What losers...	Mar 20 21:43
DaemonFC	they wanted to pay them less	Mar 20 21:43
schestowitz	Quotas LOL	Mar 20 21:43
schestowitz	yeah, the US loves those quotas	Mar 20 21:43
schestowitz	I was gonna go to university in Massachusetts	Mar 20 21:43
schestowitz	I don't have USian nationality though, which my aunt says is an advantage there	Mar 20 21:44
schestowitz	"We're sorry, you're a nice person, Mr. John US Rambo, but we're out of quotas for native residents"	Mar 20 21:45
schestowitz	That'd be companies like Microsoft	Mar 20 21:45
schestowitz	Rejecting lcals	Mar 20 21:45
schestowitz	*locals	Mar 20 21:45
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/18/google_tv_report/	Mar 20 21:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Is it me or is Wembley stadium a completely unremarkable building. Compare it to some other new stadiums, most recently the new Lansdowne Rd		Mar 20 21:46
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Quotas are very real, they prefer foreigners, and it goes on in education as well as employment	Mar 20 21:48
DaemonFC	foreigners and minorities	Mar 20 21:49
DaemonFC	not even expecting them to do equally well on the SAT for example	Mar 20 21:49
DaemonFC	you can get a low SAT score and still get in before a more qualified white applicant	Mar 20 21:50
DaemonFC	http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/29/AR2009062901608.html	Mar 20 21:50
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Justices Rule in Favor of White Firefighters in Racial-Bias Case - washingtonpost.com .::. Size~: 103.1 KB	Mar 20 21:50
DaemonFC	reverse-discrimination is what they like to call it	Mar 20 21:50
schestowitz	Some time in 2010 Microsoft will release some OS which can't achieve what my Palm did 10 years ago :-) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/17/cut_n_paste_b_gone/	Mar 20 21:51
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Microsoft cuts out paste • The Register .::. Size~: 27.39 KB	Mar 20 21:51
schestowitz	Maybe there's a patent on copy and paste :-D	Mar 20 21:52
sebsebseb	schestowitz: BBC has a better article about that job advert than The Register, also I was a little bit surprised that your linking to an article about that, since...	Mar 20 21:52
schestowitz	sebsebseb: I'm catching up	Mar 20 21:52
schestowitz	I don't like the BBC, except documentaries (some)	Mar 20 21:52
schestowitz	Some are on YouTube :-p	Mar 20 21:53
sebsebseb	schestowitz: Right well BBC article says the actsual place, not just they have offices in Bristol, to be exact they have their office outside Bristol, but nearish to it.	Mar 20 21:53
schestowitz	_goblin: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/03/17/samsung_galaxy_portal_gets_android_update/	Mar 20 21:53
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: and I know some of Bristol and some of the outside area, rather well indeed	Mar 20 21:55
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: I think for news for a specific area on the website, BBC tend not to be that bad useualley.	Mar 20 21:56
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/16/china_warns_google_again/	Mar 20 21:56
phIRCe-BNc	Title: China tells Google to obey law even if it's leaving • The Register .::. Size~: 29 KB	Mar 20 21:56
schestowitz	So this is why they leave	Mar 20 21:56
schestowitz	ultimatum	Mar 20 21:56
schestowitz	sebsebseb: better than average,. yes	Mar 20 21:57
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/15/erin_andrews_stalker/	Mar 20 21:59
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Man gets 30 months in prison for taping nude sportscaster • The Register .::. Size~: 20.08 KB	Mar 20 21:59
sebsebseb	schestowitz: Anyway this article is much better than The Register one, altough it doesn't mention that they also have offices in New Jersey and Germeny. However it does actsualley tell you where the Bristol office is http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/8574947.stm since the section of the BBC News site it's in.	Mar 20 22:00
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schestowitz	http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3a104a8688-0442-46e4-a5f6-e6a59ace7d8d	Mar 20 22:00
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DaemonFC	ugggh, TV commercial with Ben Stein	Mar 20 22:02
sebsebseb	schestowitz: By the way I wonder how you do it, keep up with loads of articles, I find it hard enough now days to just keep up with Linux Today daily or nearly daily.	Mar 20 22:04
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ender2070	DaemonFC - Peter Watts was convicted of not following orders after he was punched in the face on the ground	Mar 20 22:07
ender2070	"After Beaudry had finished whaling on me in the car, and stepped outside, and ordered me out of the vehicle; after I’d complied with that, and was standing motionless beside the car, and Beaudry told me to get on the ground — I just stood there, saying “What is the problem?”, just before Beaudry maced me."	Mar 20 22:08
ender2070	"And that, said the Prosecutor in her final remarks — that, right there, was failure to comply. That was enough to convict."	Mar 20 22:08
ender2070	the failure to comply came after being assaulted by cops	Mar 20 22:08
ender2070	so shut the fuck up idiot	Mar 20 22:08
schestowitz	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8575728.stm	Mar 20 22:08
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schestowitz		Mar 20 22:08
schestowitz	[22:02] <DaemonFC> ugggh, TV commercial with Ben Stein	Mar 20 22:08
schestowitz	I think I hate him more than I hate Bush	Mar 20 22:09
schestowitz	ender2070: US court?	Mar 20 22:10
ender2070	yeah obviously	Mar 20 22:10
schestowitz	Or ca?	Mar 20 22:10
schestowitz	Ha	Mar 20 22:10
ender2070	US court	Mar 20 22:10
ender2070	they didnt care about the cops kicking his ass prior to him not complying	Mar 20 22:11
ender2070	i wouldnt comply if someone was beating me	Mar 20 22:11
schestowitz	IT's the country that sends people to Torture Island without charges	Mar 20 22:11
schestowitz	It also has secret tortures camps in east Europe	Mar 20 22:11
schestowitz	*ture	Mar 20 22:11
ender2070	i've heard rumors of underground concentration camps too but thats theory	Mar 20 22:11
ender2070	lol	Mar 20 22:11
schestowitz	what does Watts write?	Mar 20 22:12
ender2070	sci-fi	Mar 20 22:12
schestowitz	Yesterday I thought it was a different Watts maybe	Mar 20 22:12
schestowitz	The one who exposes the rich gangsters	Mar 20 22:12
schestowitz	ender2070: yes, I know	Mar 20 22:12
ender2070	theres Alan Watt	Mar 20 22:12
schestowitz	ender2070: not theory	Mar 20 22:12
schestowitz	In Ukraine IIRC	Mar 20 22:12
schestowitz	Not camp	Mar 20 22:13
schestowitz	Just torture chambers	Mar 20 22:13
schestowitz	Under a horse-riding school	Mar 20 22:13
ender2070	ohhh theres plenty of those	Mar 20 22:13
schestowitz	Saves fuel	Mar 20 22:13
schestowitz	Flying in helicopters	Mar 20 22:13
schestowitz	Maybe it can be called InstaTorture	Mar 20 22:13
ender2070	USSR had concentration camps everywhere	Mar 20 22:13
schestowitz	You know, like "first interview"	Mar 20 22:13
ender2070	did u see the soviet story yet?	Mar 20 22:13
schestowitz	Goulag	Mar 20 22:13
schestowitz	Which one/s?	Mar 20 22:14
schestowitz	I have one for you..	Mar 20 22:14
ender2070	"The Soviet Story"	Mar 20 22:14
ender2070	very good documentary	Mar 20 22:14
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ender2070	details the concentration camps, and torture used by the soviets	Mar 20 22:14
schestowitz	LG InTouch Max GW620 Android smartphone	Mar 20 22:14
schestowitz	Microsoft Choice screen boosts Opera browser http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8574883.stm	Mar 20 22:14
phIRCe-BNc	Title: BBC NEWS \| News Front Page .::. Size~: 87.55 KB	Mar 20 22:14
schestowitz	Crappy headline	Mar 20 22:14
ender2070	lol @ opera	Mar 20 22:15
ender2070	nobody would use them without microsoft advertising for them	Mar 20 22:15
sebsebseb	schestowitz: oh using the link I gave :D	Mar 20 22:15
ender2070	firefox didnt need a browser ballot to take 25% of the market	Mar 20 22:15
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uwggPP17IE	Mar 20 22:15
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ender2070	opera just sucks balls	Mar 20 22:15
schestowitz	No, it's good	Mar 20 22:16
sebsebseb	ender2070: it's not as bad as Internet Explorer by a long way, since it actsully takes web standards seriously	Mar 20 22:16
schestowitz	ANd it predates FF	Mar 20 22:16
ender2070	i wouldn't recommend IE or Opera	Mar 20 22:16
sebsebseb	Opera is closed source, but still a good browser :)	Mar 20 22:16
ender2070	i dont recommend proprietary software	Mar 20 22:16
schestowitz	BBC RSS feeds annoy	Mar 20 22:16
sebsebseb	Opera is also one of the first browsers	Mar 20 22:16
schestowitz	They use different headline in them	Mar 20 22:16
schestowitz	Some very cryptic	Mar 20 22:16
schestowitz	*lines	Mar 20 22:16
sebsebseb	ender2070: I woudn't normalley recommend Opera either, but if someone isn't going to switch to an open source browser from Internet Explorer, but would use Opera instead of IE, well it's better them using Opera than it is them using IE.	Mar 20 22:17
ender2070	sebsebseb - to me they are just as bad as each other	Mar 20 22:18
sebsebseb	ender2070: Opera is better, follows web standards well, loads of more features than IE also that aren't junk.	Mar 20 22:18
schestowitz	http://news.techworld.com/operating-systems/3217766/microsoft-windows-architect-says-ditch-the-kernel/?olo=rss	Mar 20 22:18
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ender2070	sebsebseb - operas standards talk is just a gimmicky marketing trick. standards mean nothing if you're not open source.	Mar 20 22:18
schestowitz	Android	Mar 20 22:19
sebsebseb	ender2070: not quite true, it's also good for propritary software when it exists, to follow open standards, that's what Opera do.	Mar 20 22:19
ender2070	proprietary software can burn in hell	Mar 20 22:19
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_virtual_machine	Mar 20 22:19
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sebsebseb	ender2070: also here's a reminder to those Chrome/Chromium fan boys	Mar 20 22:19
sebsebseb	Chrome is closed source	Mar 20 22:19
sebsebseb	and Chromium helps to make a closed source product	Mar 20 22:20
schestowitz	ender2070: burn in DELL?	Mar 20 22:20
ender2070	chromium isn't	Mar 20 22:20
ender2070	i'd rather help google	Mar 20 22:20
schestowitz	sebsebseb: exactly	Mar 20 22:20
sebsebseb	ender2070: Chromium isn't closed source, but it does help make a closed source product Chrome.	Mar 20 22:20
ender2070	so	Mar 20 22:20
schestowitz	So.	Mar 20 22:20
ender2070	i dont use closed source chrome	Mar 20 22:20
schestowitz	It helps WebKit a little	Mar 20 22:20
schestowitz	But helps Google monocultue that they can have	Mar 20 22:21
schestowitz	Support Konq and Mozila	Mar 20 22:21
schestowitz	*lla	Mar 20 22:21
sebsebseb	schestowitz: Webkit yeah, but coudn't Apple just have just, improved KHTML and put that in their browser, instead of forking it?	Mar 20 22:21
ender2070	webkit is very different now	Mar 20 22:21
ender2070	its missing kde integration	Mar 20 22:21
schestowitz	It has horns now	Mar 20 22:21
schestowitz	Jobs' horns	Mar 20 22:21
ender2070	at least his horns come with source code	Mar 20 22:22
schestowitz	No	Mar 20 22:22
ender2070	opera doesnt even give any source code away unless they are legally forced to	Mar 20 22:22
ender2070	such as their gstreamer code	Mar 20 22:22
schestowitz	SafariZoo is proprietary	Mar 20 22:22
ender2070	lol	Mar 20 22:22
schestowitz	They do the whole 'mixed source' thing	Mar 20 22:22
schestowitz	Like Google	Mar 20 22:22
schestowitz	Mozilla doesn't	Mar 20 22:22
ender2070	let me put it this way	Mar 20 22:22
schestowitz	Mozilla is more honst also wrt sw pats	Mar 20 22:23
sebsebseb	Google are started to turn into a bit of monoplgy now as well, it's not really the best thing to replace one closed source monoplgy with another. Replacing Microsoft with Google isn't exactly progress really. They are both closed source companies. Yes Google has some open source products, and they got Google Summer Of Code, but they are still closed source.	Mar 20 22:23
schestowitz	Stop supporting anti-FOSS companies like Apple and Google	Mar 20 22:23
ender2070	Free Software > Open Source > Mixed Source > Proprietary	Mar 20 22:23
schestowitz	Goigle hats AGPL	Mar 20 22:23
schestowitz	It uses "open source" differently	Mar 20 22:23
schestowitz	Open SOCKS?	Mar 20 22:23
ender2070	i know	Mar 20 22:23
ender2070	but heres the difference	Mar 20 22:24
ender2070	opera doesnt have any open source offerings, while google at least has some	Mar 20 22:24
schestowitz	Short story:	Mar 20 22:24
ender2070	so google is better, automatically	Mar 20 22:24
schestowitz	Mozilla uses MPL	Mar 20 22:24
sebsebseb	ender2070: No, bu Opera are also European so :)	Mar 20 22:24
schestowitz	And it opposes sw pas	Mar 20 22:24
schestowitz	And it opposes sw pats	Mar 20 22:24
ender2070	and any company that is ONLY open source, without proprietary is even better than google	Mar 20 22:24
schestowitz	It doesn't store much info if any about you	Mar 20 22:24
schestowitz	IE and Google do	Mar 20 22:24
schestowitz	Because they have business that needs this data	Mar 20 22:24
schestowitz	So they spy	Mar 20 22:24
sebsebseb	ender2070: Loads of computing is dominated by USA, USA, this that and the other, which also can effect the rest of the world, because of their silly software patents for example.	Mar 20 22:25
schestowitz	ACTA	Mar 20 22:25
schestowitz	DMCA	Mar 20 22:25
schestowitz	etc.	Mar 20 22:25
schestowitz	Ask Watts	Mar 20 22:25
schestowitz	He saw the cluv	Mar 20 22:25
ender2070	you guys are going off onto all sorts of tangents	Mar 20 22:25
schestowitz	*club	Mar 20 22:25
sebsebseb	ender2070: Also I haven't been to Norway yet, but I guess it's like Sweden, a nice countrey.	Mar 20 22:25
ender2070	im explaining why ill never use or support opera	Mar 20 22:25
ender2070	because its proprietary	Mar 20 22:26
schestowitz	sebsebseb: underpolulated as it should be	Mar 20 22:26
schestowitz	And decreasing, still	Mar 20 22:26
schestowitz	More room for other species	Mar 20 22:26
ender2070	if netfront became open source i'd use that over opera	Mar 20 22:26
ender2070	lol	Mar 20 22:26
schestowitz	Religions teach people to spreading the religion though endless reproduction	Mar 20 22:26
ender2070	as bad as it is	Mar 20 22:26
schestowitz	Sweden and Norway are sane	Mar 20 22:26
schestowitz	There's almost no religion there at all	Mar 20 22:26
sebsebseb	ender2070: Norway is European :) I am European, Opera is a Norwigien company, yes yes open source :) ,but I guess I would rather have European propritary software, than American propritary software. Altough overall both would be about as good as each other. Since it will still be about vender lock in and what not.	Mar 20 22:27
schestowitz	Denmark too	Mar 20 22:27
ender2070	im saying i dont want any proprietary software	Mar 20 22:27
ender2070	i dont care where it comes from	Mar 20 22:27
ender2070	even if its from canada	Mar 20 22:27
schestowitz	sebsebseb: oh, so that's why you brought it up	Mar 20 22:27
ender2070	i'd take open source	Mar 20 22:27
sebsebseb	schestowitz: lol	Mar 20 22:27
ender2070	i dont trust software i cant see the code to	Mar 20 22:27
sebsebseb	schestowitz: I don't really have anything against Americans	Mar 20 22:27
sebsebseb	schestowitz: altough I know software patents aren't a good thing, and that's very American	Mar 20 22:28
schestowitz	sebsebseb: me neither	Mar 20 22:28
sebsebseb	and also effects the rest of the world sometimes	Mar 20 22:28
schestowitz	I have family there	Mar 20 22:28
schestowitz	It's not America, sebsebseb	Mar 20 22:28
schestowitz	swpats are not US	Mar 20 22:28
schestowitz	They are scummericans like Gates, Myhrvold, Icahn, Stein, etc.	Mar 20 22:29
schestowitz	There are some really vile people there who do the mistakes on 'behalf' of "real Americans"	Mar 20 22:29
schestowitz	They don't endorse it	Mar 20 22:29
schestowitz	BTW, The US never elected Bush	Mar 20 22:29
schestowitz	He stole the elections	Mar 20 22:29
schestowitz	I had a Gore wallpaper for 3 years after that	Mar 20 22:30
ender2070	most rich people like gates are globalists, they dont give a shit about any single counrty	Mar 20 22:30
schestowitz	On all my Linux boxes, as I was still bitter over the 2000 elections	Mar 20 22:30
sebsebseb	ender2070: In the Olympic skiing I wanted any European countrey to win :) However I also wanted Canada to win at least once, since they were hosting it. Poor Canada for doing so badly in the Olympic skiing, ok they did well in the other things though, but still.	Mar 20 22:30
schestowitz	Very annoying	Mar 20 22:30
ender2070	thats why they can sell it out so much	Mar 20 22:30
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ender2070	sebsebseb - we ended the olympics with the most golds	Mar 20 22:30
schestowitz	And ebt	Mar 20 22:31
schestowitz	debt	Mar 20 22:31
schestowitz	Maybe you can melt down those golds and sell them back to China :-)D	Mar 20 22:31
ender2070	sebsebseb - any EU country? why not your own only	Mar 20 22:31
sebsebseb	ender2070: Ok ideally UK or Sweden I guess, when they were doing it	Mar 20 22:32
schestowitz	ender2070: London gets a hole in the pocket in 2 years	Mar 20 22:32
sebsebseb	ender2070: Sweden since I am half Swedish	Mar 20 22:32
sebsebseb	ender2070: I like Austria :)	Mar 20 22:32
schestowitz	Avg american paid $3000 for Iraq invasion	Mar 20 22:32
sebsebseb	ender2070: Austria been there quite a few times, they have good skiiers	Mar 20 22:32
schestowitz	That's $15000 for many families	Mar 20 22:32
ender2070	i was about to say you might be into the whole EU globalization group-think	Mar 20 22:32
schestowitz	sebsebseb: maybe an Austrian will be US president	Mar 20 22:33
schestowitz	If he can change the laws	Mar 20 22:33
sebsebseb	ender2070: I feel more like a European than a Brit or half Brit or whatever I am	Mar 20 22:33
schestowitz	ANd not get a heart attack from his steroid use	Mar 20 22:33
sebsebseb	ender2070: hell I don't even like the UK properly overall :D the way things are etc	Mar 20 22:33
ender2070	Arnold?	Mar 20 22:33
ender2070	lol	Mar 20 22:33
ender2070	no thanks	Mar 20 22:33
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ender2070	he wants to be a dictator	Mar 20 22:33
schestowitz	Beenvolent?	Mar 20 22:33
ender2070	no	Mar 20 22:33
schestowitz	Bene	Mar 20 22:34
ender2070	he loved hitler	Mar 20 22:34
schestowitz	ender2070: like his dad?	Mar 20 22:34
schestowitz	SS officer?	Mar 20 22:34
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ender2070	i think so	Mar 20 22:34
ender2070	he did say he wanted to be a dictator	Mar 20 22:34
schestowitz	ender2070: but is he still?	Mar 20 22:34
schestowitz	He was born after the war	Mar 20 22:35
schestowitz	Maybe he changed his mind	Mar 20 22:35
sebsebseb	ender2070: Loads of counteries have the Euro, and if all European counteries had it, it would be even better for travelling around Europe, won't have to change currency every now and again	Mar 20 22:35
sebsebseb	ender2070: however	Mar 20 22:35
ender2070	http://arnoldexposed.com/	Mar 20 22:35
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schestowitz	Well, he supported Bush, so... well.... Godwin stops me here	Mar 20 22:35
sebsebseb	ender2070: it's also good for counteries to have their own money realy	Mar 20 22:35
ender2070	sebsebseb- the EU in my opinion is USSR 2.0	Mar 20 22:35
ender2070	sebsebseb- corrupt, socialst and not democratic	Mar 20 22:35
sebsebseb	ender2070: Right, but your Canadadian, have you been to Europe before by the way?	Mar 20 22:35
sebsebseb	ender2070: If so where did you go?	Mar 20 22:35
schestowitz	ender2070: no, just USSA	Mar 20 22:35
schestowitz	Shane from BN called it that	Mar 20 22:36
schestowitz	ANd he's from Long Island	Mar 20 22:36
ender2070	lol?	Mar 20 22:36
ender2070	he called the EU that?	Mar 20 22:36
sebsebseb	ender2070: I think it's common for people from another countrey, to sometimes say bad things about another countrey, even if they have never been there.	Mar 20 22:36
schestowitz	ender2070: no	Mar 20 22:36
schestowitz	Oops	Mar 20 22:36
schestowitz	I meant US	Mar 20 22:36
ender2070	sebsebseb- interesting you call the EU a counrty	Mar 20 22:36
schestowitz	You said EU	Mar 20 22:36
sebsebseb	ender2070: no I don't	Mar 20 22:36
schestowitz	EU is fine compared to the US	Mar 20 22:37
sebsebseb	ender2070: the EU is not the whole of Europe	Mar 20 22:37
schestowitz	France and Germany do OK	Mar 20 22:37
schestowitz	Scandinadia too	Mar 20 22:37
sebsebseb	ender2070: the EU is only member states as they call it	Mar 20 22:37
ender2070	did you know the EU doesn't have elections	Mar 20 22:37
schestowitz	IIRC, Canada has half a trillion in debt	Mar 20 22:37
sebsebseb	ender2070: quite a lot of European counteries are not part of the EU	Mar 20 22:37
ender2070	the leader of the EU was just appointed	Mar 20 22:37
schestowitz	I looked it up last year	Mar 20 22:37
ender2070	without any votes	Mar 20 22:37
schestowitz	Canada has a lot of proprety it can sell though	Mar 20 22:37
ender2070	the EU is a soviet block	Mar 20 22:38
ender2070	once that works out	Mar 20 22:38
sebsebseb	ender2070: Europe won't become one big countrey like the USA, I expect	Mar 20 22:38
ender2070	there will be a north american soviet block	Mar 20 22:38
schestowitz	In your dreams	Mar 20 22:38
sebsebseb	ender2070: or not any time soon anyway	Mar 20 22:38
ender2070	not any time soon	Mar 20 22:38
schestowitz	Did you ever leave America, ender2070?	Mar 20 22:38
schestowitz	Or are you like DaemonFC trashing EU without ever leaving America?	Mar 20 22:38
ender2070	lol	Mar 20 22:38
sebsebseb	ender2070: with parts of Europe not being part of the big Europe countrey, like for example Canada and Mexico are in North America, but not part of the USA	Mar 20 22:38
ender2070	i've been to the EU dude	Mar 20 22:38
ender2070	and	Mar 20 22:38
ender2070	im not a dumbass who doesn't look at history	Mar 20 22:39
ender2070	the EU is exactly like the former USSR	Mar 20 22:39
ender2070	abeit, watered down	Mar 20 22:39
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schestowitz	By that standard, USSR means being the world's top	Mar 20 22:39
schestowitz	We have better rights here than Asian centres of wealth	Mar 20 22:40
schestowitz	Like Singapore or Qatar	Mar 20 22:40
schestowitz	Canada is like US' rich grandma	Mar 20 22:40
schestowitz	She has lots of inheritance and the kids downstairs do drugs	Mar 20 22:41
schestowitz	You'll have north American Alliance	Mar 20 22:41
schestowitz	And the kids will be like, "c'mon granny CA, give us some money and trees"	Mar 20 22:41
ender2070	when you get your EU election papers i'll give you $100	Mar 20 22:42
schestowitz	Trees as in... well, trees, not slang for dope	Mar 20 22:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Watching my mum play solitaire on Ubuntu on her first ever computer. A success!		Mar 20 22:42
sebsebseb	ender2070: I haven't been to Canada, but it's probably quite like a lot of the US states, these days really	Mar 20 22:42
schestowitz	Cheaper than transporting from Brazil	Mar 20 22:42
DaemonFC	schestowitz: almost everyone seems to be indebted to China right now	Mar 20 22:42
DaemonFC	asking for China's blessing to carry on the day to day running of government	Mar 20 22:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey post photos :-D		Mar 20 22:43
sebsebseb	schestowitz: I still don't have a Twitter account	Mar 20 22:43
sebsebseb	schestowitz: and if I was to get one, what would I use it for hrm, I mean I hardly ever use Facebook for example :)	Mar 20 22:43
ender2070	sebsebseb - nah Canada is very socialist just like the EU	Mar 20 22:44
DaemonFC	ender2070: The funny thing is that Medicare is broke because for years there was no fraud detection system	Mar 20 22:46
DaemonFC	you had "health care" companies and doctors driving Porsches that Medicare bought for them	Mar 20 22:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Solitaire has totally 'fixed' my mums double-click skills		Mar 20 22:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Anyone who thinks Ubuntu doesnt need games in the default install needs a stern talking to! :)		Mar 20 22:49
yuhong	I today looked at Process Explorer and realized that the reason Vista appeared to be slow was Firefox taking a lot of memory, about a gig of private bytes.	Mar 20 22:49
yuhong	I have a lot of tabs open there.	Mar 20 22:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Of course this isnt much of a default install I will conceed that, but y'know :)		Mar 20 22:50
yuhong	I killed Firefox.exe process, and after waiting a while for the system to clean up, Vista was much faster.	Mar 20 22:50
sebsebseb	hello yuhong I don't recognize your name	Mar 20 22:50
yuhong	I today looked at Process Explorer and realized that the reason Vista appeared to be slow was Firefox taking a lot of memory, about a gig of private bytes.	Mar 20 22:50
yuhong	I have a lot of tabs open there.	Mar 20 22:50
yuhong	I killed the Firefox.exe process, and after waiting a while for the system to clean up, Vista was much faster.	Mar 20 22:50
yuhong	sebsebseb: I am a long time participant in this IRC channel.	Mar 20 22:50
sebsebseb	yuhong: what's your useual name then?	Mar 20 22:51
yuhong	Yuhong Bao.	Mar 20 22:51
yuhong	I opened Chrome instead at first, but just opened Firefox again for Chatzilla.	Mar 20 22:51
MinceR	sebsebseb: he's our drive-by m$ apologist. :>	Mar 20 22:51
yuhong	Not always.	Mar 20 22:51
sebsebseb	MinceR: oh?	Mar 20 22:52
sebsebseb	yuhong: You work for Microsoft? :D	Mar 20 22:52
yuhong	Nope.	Mar 20 22:52
yuhong	I remember discussing this before.	Mar 20 22:53
yuhong	I do live near there.	Mar 20 22:53
yuhong	And I remember discussing this before.	Mar 20 22:53
sebsebseb	yuhong: right well I wasn't here then	Mar 20 22:53
yuhong	OK.	Mar 20 22:53
schestowitz	Identica devours some stuff I put there	Mar 20 22:54
schestowitz	Dents with some URLs	Mar 20 22:54
schestowitz	I'm just losing data this way, second time in 2 days	Mar 20 22:54
schestowitz	Here's a phone that I can finally call my own :-)	Mar 20 22:54
schestowitz	http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1597350/motorola-roi-video-demo	Mar 20 22:54
yuhong	schestowitz: I think things like Radian6 themselves are not themselves unethical, but what is done with the data collected can.	Mar 20 22:54
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Motorola roi video demo - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 57.4 KB	Mar 20 22:55
yuhong	If it is astroturfing, that is themselves unethical.	Mar 20 22:55
yuhong	What Comcast did was doing a post using a real name, which is ethical.	Mar 20 22:56
MinceR	sebsebseb: if someone worked for m$ and came here to defend m$, would you expect them to reveal the fact that they work for m$? :>	Mar 20 22:56
sebsebseb	MinceR: no I guess not	Mar 20 22:56
schestowitz	http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/18/photo-series-of-baby.html	Mar 20 22:56
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Photo series of baby dressed up as ruthless dictators - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 78.6 KB	Mar 20 22:56
yuhong	MinceR: This was discussed before.	Mar 20 22:56
yuhong	See old IRC logs.	Mar 20 22:57
schestowitz	yuhong: they did it to DaemonFC many times	Mar 20 22:57
schestowitz	They police his blog	Mar 20 22:57
schestowitz	How is that ethical?	Mar 20 22:57
schestowitz	They use bots	Mar 20 22:57
sebsebseb	schestowitz: who polices his blog? Microsoft?	Mar 20 22:57
yuhong	Comcast.	Mar 20 22:57
schestowitz	Comcast	Mar 20 22:57
schestowitz	And many other blogs too	Mar 20 22:57
schestowitz	You have an industry of criminals companies	Mar 20 22:57
yuhong	Policing people's blogs may be snoopy, but not that unethical.	Mar 20 22:58
schestowitz	Hiring other criminal companies to cover up their crimes by silencing critics	Mar 20 22:58
schestowitz	That's not acceptance, IMHO	Mar 20 22:58
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schestowitz	Neither one	Mar 20 22:58
yuhong	But the tactics were not unethical.	Mar 20 22:58
yuhong	But Comcast's tactics were not unethical.	Mar 20 22:58
schestowitz	It's done mechanically	Mar 20 22:58
schestowitz	Bots and auto-responses	Mar 20 22:58
yuhong	Yes.	Mar 20 22:58
schestowitz	it's like mass-mailing letters	Mar 20 22:58
schestowitz	Fake ones	Mar 20 22:58
schestowitz	Like MS in Washington	Mar 20 22:59
schestowitz	DDOSing	Mar 20 22:59
schestowitz	Do you endorse that?	Mar 20 22:59
schestowitz	They rob you	Mar 20 22:59
schestowitz	You live there	Mar 20 22:59
yuhong	But they are posted under a real name, so at least it is known that it came from Comcast.	Mar 20 22:59
schestowitz	Ask DaemonFC	Mar 20 22:59
yuhong	If it is spamming, yes that is bad.	Mar 20 22:59
yuhong	But this is not the only way to spam.	Mar 20 23:00
DaemonFC	they don't reply to the "wecanhelp" email address	Mar 20 23:00
yuhong	But this is not the only blogspam.	Mar 20 23:00
yuhong	But if Comcast actually read the blog post and take the time to come up with a good response, that is not spam.	Mar 20 23:01
DaemonFC	some of it is spam	Mar 20 23:01
yuhong	Social media monitoring themselves is not unethical, but spamming is.	Mar 20 23:02
DaemonFC	I've only had one time where it was a real reply and they still don't answer the email address they leave	Mar 20 23:02
schestowitz	Great photo: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/17/rip-he-pingping-the.html	Mar 20 23:02
phIRCe-BNc	Title: R.I.P. He Pingping, the world's shortest walking man - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 65.51 KB	Mar 20 23:02
yuhong	Astroturfing would be even worse.	Mar 20 23:02
schestowitz	They do those services too	Mar 20 23:03
yuhong	In fact, search engines now make it easy to monitor social media posts.	Mar 20 23:03
schestowitz	LawMedia, ACT, ATL, Dewey Square..	Mar 20 23:03
yuhong	These are unethical, I agree.	Mar 20 23:04
yuhong	And I don't even pay attencion to them.	Mar 20 23:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] After about 30 mins on her first PC my mum said "I can see how people.. get.. _into_ this!" which means addicted :)		Mar 20 23:05
yuhong	http://www.zoliblog.com/2009/01/14/is-there-a-new-twitter-to-blog-spam-bot/	Mar 20 23:05
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Is There a New Twitter to Blog Spam Bot? \| Zoli's Blog .::. Size~: 63.74 KB	Mar 20 23:05
schestowitz	[23:04] <yuhong> And I don't even pay attencion to them.	Mar 20 23:05
schestowitz	THEY ARE SECRETIVE	Mar 20 23:05
schestowitz	Oops	Mar 20 23:05
schestowitz	Caps	Mar 20 23:05
yuhong	I mean, I don't even pay attencion to what they say.	Mar 20 23:06
yuhong	I know what they do.	Mar 20 23:06
yuhong	Let along believe what they say about MS.	Mar 20 23:06
yuhong	MS's crimes are real.	Mar 20 23:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Finished my Acire hacking. Committing my work and then writing up a blog post.		Mar 20 23:08
yuhong	MS's crimes are real, very real..	Mar 20 23:08
schestowitz	http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/16/a-scientific-paper-y.html	Mar 20 23:08
phIRCe-BNc	Title: A scientific paper you will never forget ... no matter how hard you try - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 94.34 KB	Mar 20 23:08
schestowitz	yuhong: you need to look deeper	Mar 20 23:08
schestowitz	The real crimes are hardly covered in big news site	Mar 20 23:09
schestowitz	BN is still trying to gain deeper knowledge	Mar 20 23:09
schestowitz	It takes time	Mar 20 23:09
schestowitz	To build upon leaks	Mar 20 23:09
yuhong	I know, I read many articles on Boycott Novell about real MS crimes.	Mar 20 23:09
yuhong	AARD is real.	Mar 20 23:09
schestowitz	Diablo-D3's b/f again: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/16/cnns-glenn-beck-repl.html	Mar 20 23:10
phIRCe-BNc	Title: CNN's Glenn Beck replacement wingnut possibly more gross than Glenn Beck - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 70.69 KB	Mar 20 23:10
yuhong	MS killing competition is real, very real, and has very real impact.	Mar 20 23:10
yuhong	BTW, I was thinking about what will happen when the MS/Novell deal expire next year.	Mar 20 23:11
yuhong	Espicially after recent articles in Slashdot covering it.	Mar 20 23:11
yuhong	I hope they will not renew.	Mar 20 23:12
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: dude, I will beat you senseless	Mar 20 23:12
MinceR	perhaps it will be renewed, with lots of PR around it	Mar 20 23:12
yuhong	I hope not.	Mar 20 23:12
MinceR	(another round of FUD)	Mar 20 23:12
yuhong	It is a little early to consider though.	Mar 20 23:12
MinceR	m$ probably wants just that and whatever m$ wants novell does.	Mar 20 23:12
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: I posted about that one earlier, btw	Mar 20 23:13
schestowitz	sebsebseb: http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/03/15/over-half-your-news-is-spin/	Mar 20 23:13
MinceR	unless of course novell is bought out until then	Mar 20 23:13
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Over half your news is spin Crikey .::. Size~: 79.44 KB	Mar 20 23:13
schestowitz	Think BBC	Mar 20 23:13
DaemonFC	Novell's not even smart enough to demand the permanent patent license	Mar 20 23:13
schestowitz	"Many journalists and editors were defensive when the phone call came. Who’d blame them? They’re busier than ever, under resourced, on deadline and under pressure. Most refused to respond, others who initially granted an interview then asked for their comments to be withdrawn out of fear they’d be reprimanded, or worse, fired."	Mar 20 23:13
schestowitz	That includes Microsoft's W-E and others	Mar 20 23:13
MinceR	novell wasn't even smart enough to do something relevant	Mar 20 23:13
MinceR	they could have done sustainable business just by buying suse	Mar 20 23:13
MinceR	yet they had to go become m$'s bitch	Mar 20 23:14
yuhong	I know.	Mar 20 23:14
yuhong	Hopefully they will not renew next year.	Mar 20 23:14
schestowitz	DaemonFC: yes, I remember	Mar 20 23:14
yuhong	As the deal was very dodgy.	Mar 20 23:14
MinceR	i don't have such illusions	Mar 20 23:14
schestowitz	next year?	Mar 20 23:14
schestowitz	Nothing expires next year	Mar 20 23:14
yuhong	WHy?	Mar 20 23:15
schestowitz	Novell might expire this year	Mar 20 23:15
schestowitz	Sold	Mar 20 23:15
yuhong	Maybe.	Mar 20 23:15
MinceR	perhaps the deal is time-limited exactly so that it can be renewed big new rounds of PR	Mar 20 23:15
schestowitz	Likely.	Mar 20 23:15
schestowitz	I mean likely sold	Mar 20 23:15
MinceR	s/big/with big/	Mar 20 23:15
schestowitz	MinceR: breases?	Mar 20 23:15
MinceR	nope	Mar 20 23:16
yuhong	But if not, hopefully they will not renew.	Mar 20 23:16
schestowitz	Bulgarian airbags?	Mar 20 23:16
yuhong	http://slashdot.org/story/10/03/08/2342241/Why-Microsoft-Cant-Afford-To-Let-Novell-Die	Mar 20 23:16
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Slashdot Story \| Why Microsoft Can't Afford To Let Novell Die .::. Size~: 165.65 KB	Mar 20 23:16
MinceR	"news" of gnu/linux needing patent licenses from m$	Mar 20 23:16
schestowitz	Yeah	Mar 20 23:16
schestowitz	Microsoft has PR bunnies	Mar 20 23:16
schestowitz	To push that nonsense	Mar 20 23:16
yuhong	What will happen to the deal if they are sold, I wonder?	Mar 20 23:16
schestowitz	It's a racketeering operation with PR	Mar 20 23:17
MinceR	depends on to whom they're sold	Mar 20 23:17
schestowitz	The mafia doesn't have PR	Mar 20 23:17
yuhong	I know.	Mar 20 23:17
schestowitz	It lets the press "do its thing"	Mar 20 23:17
yuhong	I know.	Mar 20 23:17
schestowitz	Normal press would slam Microsoft	Mar 20 23:17
MinceR	and it isn't too clear to me who wants to buy it and why	Mar 20 23:17
schestowitz	For racketeering	Mar 20 23:17
MinceR	(if it isn't just elliott raking in some profit because they can)	Mar 20 23:17
schestowitz	Microsoft says "IP" and stuff	Mar 20 23:17
yuhong	Yep.	Mar 20 23:17
schestowitz	So attacks of extortion are described as "signed a deal"	Mar 20 23:17
yuhong	I know.	Mar 20 23:17
schestowitz	Theses are criminals in may ways	Mar 20 23:17
MinceR	it could be all about the money and nothing else	Mar 20 23:17
schestowitz	They don't name patents	Mar 20 23:18
schestowitz	They use NDAs	Mar 20 23:18
schestowitz	It's rackteteering	Mar 20 23:18
schestowitz	it should be in Crimes Journal	Mar 20 23:18
yuhong	I know.	Mar 20 23:18
yuhong	What will happen to the deal if they are sold, I wonder?	Mar 20 23:18
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schestowitz	http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/kernel-bugs.html	Mar 20 23:20
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Studying kernel bugs .::. Size~: 7.33 KB	Mar 20 23:20
schestowitz	Heh.	Mar 20 23:20
schestowitz	Cleva'!	Mar 20 23:21
yuhong	I hope such a selling of Novell will end the deal, which is almost expiring by now anyway.	Mar 20 23:21
schestowitz	http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?blogid=19&entry_id=59244	Mar 20 23:22
phIRCe-BNc	Title: The Technology Chronicles : Why Google is not worried about Nexus One sales yet .::. Size~: 54.75 KB	Mar 20 23:22
schestowitz	yuhong: let's wait and see..	Mar 20 23:22
schestowitz	.	Mar 20 23:22
yuhong	Agreed.	Mar 20 23:22
yuhong	It depends, I think.	Mar 20 23:23
yuhong	Boycott Novell is more about MS despite it's name.	Mar 20 23:23
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yuhong	I recently installed Vista SP2 and the Platform Update, but I am not going to install Win7.	Mar 20 23:23
yuhong	In the near future.	Mar 20 23:24
yuhong	On Vista's bloat, it would be interesting to compare the builds.	Mar 20 23:24
yuhong	I heard that Win7 got a little more bloated before release, which inspired this.	Mar 20 23:25
yuhong	It would be an interesting analysis to compare the builds of Vista.	Mar 20 23:25
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DaemonFC	Windows 7 ads on History HD	Mar 20 23:27
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/191509/globalfoundries_new_singapore_arm_pays_down_debt.html?tk=rss_news	Mar 20 23:30
phIRCe-BNc	Title: GlobalFoundries' New Singapore Arm Pays Down Debt - PCWorld .::. Size~: 66.02 KB	Mar 20 23:30
schestowitz	History Channel?	Mar 20 23:30
schestowitz	They waste money	Mar 20 23:30
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schestowitz	Don't people get FOCRCED to buy Vista 7?	Mar 20 23:31
schestowitz	[with any new PC]	Mar 20 23:31
DaemonFC	usually	Mar 20 23:31
DaemonFC	trying to sell upgrades or poke people using XP into buying a new PC	Mar 20 23:32
MinceR	and failing	Mar 20 23:33
_goblin	right....	Mar 20 23:36
_goblin	Im back...	Mar 20 23:36
_goblin	schestowitz: meant to say....I sort of met someone Ive challenged on the net in real life whilst I was at work.......	Mar 20 23:37
_goblin	schestowitz: they didn't recognize me.....	Mar 20 23:37
schestowitz	_goblin: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=42364174	Mar 20 23:38
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Hopgoblin Art WindUp by Larriva on Etsy .::. Size~: 24.56 KB	Mar 20 23:38
_goblin	lol	Mar 20 23:38
_goblin	isn't it Hobgoblin?	Mar 20 23:38
schestowitz	Maybe.	Mar 20 23:38
schestowitz	Just popped up in my browser	Mar 20 23:39
_goblin	thats my Mi5 hacking tools! ;)	Mar 20 23:39
DaemonFC	ewww, baked beans	Mar 20 23:40
_goblin	that hobgoblin looks like Gary Glitter.	Mar 20 23:40
DaemonFC	they're talking about baked beans on History	Mar 20 23:40
DaemonFC	I like the hot and spicy baked beans, that's about it	Mar 20 23:40
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/191547/video_games_wreck_marriage.html?tk=rss_news	Mar 20 23:40
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Did Video Games Wreck 1,000 Marriages? - PCWorld .::. Size~: 72.42 KB	Mar 20 23:40
_goblin	or what about:	Mar 20 23:41
_goblin	Did 1000 Marriages Wreck video games?	Mar 20 23:41
schestowitz	_goblin: The _goblin looked like Gary?	Mar 20 23:41
neighborlee	well it can happen, Ive seen it ( in a roundabout way)	Mar 20 23:41
_goblin	I'd favour the later.......its always the way that a marriage gets in the way of a good computer game.	Mar 20 23:41
_goblin	schestowitz: yes....Don't you think?	Mar 20 23:41
schestowitz	_goblin: yes, those mariages!	Mar 20 23:42
schestowitz	_goblin: virtual life first	Mar 20 23:42
_goblin	Try playing Smackdown V Raw 2010 on PS3 with three kids and a wife with a list of chores.	Mar 20 23:42
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schestowitz	_goblin: just the hair	Mar 20 23:43
_goblin	and the eyes...	Mar 20 23:43
_goblin	and earing.	Mar 20 23:43
*schestowitz looks again		Mar 20 23:43
_goblin	and nose.	Mar 20 23:43
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schestowitz	Glittery eyes	Mar 20 23:43
schestowitz	He must have seen a naked baby born	Mar 20 23:43
_goblin	http://visitbulgaria.info/files/Gary-Glitter.jpg	Mar 20 23:43
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB	Mar 20 23:43
Sir_Konrad	schestowitz: I heard you on FLOSS.	Mar 20 23:44
schestowitz	LOL	Mar 20 23:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] A productive few hours hacking on Acire today: http://is.gd/aQLR4 #ubuntu #acire #python #opportunisticdevelopers		Mar 20 23:44
schestowitz	VixsitBulgaria?	Mar 20 23:44
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Acire Hacking \| jonobacon@home .::. Size~: 26.37 KB	Mar 20 23:44
DaemonFC	http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100320/NEWS/3200335	Mar 20 23:44
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Huntington principal deploying to Afghanistan \| The News-Sentinel - Fort Wayne IN .::. Size~: 38.09 KB	Mar 20 23:44
Sir_Konrad	schestowitz: it was interesting to say the least.	Mar 20 23:44
_goblin	schestowitz: it was the first picture I found of hi,	Mar 20 23:44
_goblin	*him	Mar 20 23:45
schestowitz	_goblin: last thing I heard he molested kids in east Asia	Mar 20 23:45
_goblin	I thought he was still in prison	Mar 20 23:45
schestowitz	Sir_Konrad: I didn't like it	Mar 20 23:45
_goblin	in Vietnam	Mar 20 23:45
schestowitz	Yeah	Mar 20 23:45
DaemonFC	Indiana National Guard gets abused some more	Mar 20 23:45
schestowitz	OI thought I remembere Cambodia	Mar 20 23:45
Sir_Konrad	schestowitz: yeah you didn't sound like you were having fun. :D	Mar 20 23:45
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 20 23:45
schestowitz	*I	Mar 20 23:45
Sir_Konrad	schestowitz: why did you not like it?	Mar 20 23:45
schestowitz	Sir_Konrad: trust me, I didn't	Mar 20 23:45
DaemonFC	they're calling up the Guard Reserves now	Mar 20 23:45
sebsebseb	schestowitz: What's a good music store to use if people want to buy music when doing Desktop Linux? Yes there is/will be Ubuntu One Music Store, but is that really the best one to support?	Mar 20 23:46
schestowitz	It was OK that I didn't stutter much	Mar 20 23:46
schestowitz	Just sounded very weird	Mar 20 23:46
_goblin	sebsebseb, We7 is very good.	Mar 20 23:46
sebsebseb	_goblin: We7?	Mar 20 23:46
sebsebseb	what's that	Mar 20 23:46
DaemonFC	These people live in caves and wipe their ass with their hands	Mar 20 23:46
Sir_Konrad	schestowitz: I would have fun just because I was talking to Leo Laporte. :)	Mar 20 23:46
DaemonFC	Why are they not dead yet?	Mar 20 23:46
schestowitz	DaemonFC: you do?	Mar 20 23:46
_goblin	sebsebseb, yeah Ive been with them since they started....free to stream and drm free to buy.....cheap prices too and massive library	Mar 20 23:46
schestowitz	Sir_Konrad: I hardly know him	Mar 20 23:47
schestowitz	I learned about him later	Mar 20 23:47
schestowitz	Dvorak's friend	Mar 20 23:47
sebsebseb	_goblin: Also what music player would you recommend that is similar to Itunes?	Mar 20 23:47
sebsebseb	This isn't for me, for some not that technical woman.	Mar 20 23:47
Sir_Konrad	schestowitz: I listen to just about all of Leo's podcasts. So are you boycotting Novell because of those deals they made with M$?	Mar 20 23:47
schestowitz	Yes, mianly	Mar 20 23:48
_goblin	sebsebseb, couldn't answer....Im still a record and a reluctant CD man....very little mp3/ogg except for podcasts and remixes of Amiga demoscene.	Mar 20 23:48
Sir_Konrad	schestowitz: would you boycott Canonical if they made a deal with Apple?	Mar 20 23:48
sebsebseb	I still think Banshee is the best music player for Desktop Linux, yes yes I know Mono, but even so.	Mar 20 23:48
Sir_Konrad	sebsebseb: lol	Mar 20 23:48
schestowitz	Sir_Konrad: they would not	Mar 20 23:49
schestowitz	Sir_Konrad: amarok	Mar 20 23:49
schestowitz	Oops	Mar 20 23:49
schestowitz	sebsebseb: amarok	Mar 20 23:49
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: she has amarok at the moment, but...	Mar 20 23:49
Sir_Konrad	schestowitz: I know they probably wouldn't, but if any open company (like Red Hat) made a deal with another closed company like Apple would you boycott them?	Mar 20 23:50
sebsebseb	_goblin: Got a link to the music store site? Also how would it work, just buy and download the music, and play it in whatever player?	Mar 20 23:50
Sir_Konrad	schestowitz: I guess what I'm getting at is what do you hate about M$ so much that you would boycott Novell? Windows?	Mar 20 23:50
MinceR	Sir_Konrad: i think it also depends on the nature of the deal	Mar 20 23:51
Sir_Konrad	MinceR: that's very true.	Mar 20 23:51
ender2070	its microsoft	Mar 20 23:51
MinceR	Sir_Konrad: consider what the novell deal was about and what lies it served to support	Mar 20 23:51
_goblin	Sir_Konrad: would you boycott Earth if it turned out Ballmer was actually human?	Mar 20 23:51
MinceR	lol	Mar 20 23:52
DaemonFC	Is it sad when the cable TV is nearly half my bill and the only thing on that interests me is History Channel?	Mar 20 23:52
Sir_Konrad	lol	Mar 20 23:52
_goblin	sebsebseb, standby for link.....	Mar 20 23:52
DaemonFC	well, at least we have three of them now	Mar 20 23:52
schestowitz	[23:50] <Sir_Konrad> schestowitz: I know they probably wouldn't, but if any open company (like Red Hat) made a deal with another closed company like Apple would you boycott them?	Mar 20 23:52
schestowitz	No	Mar 20 23:52
ender2070	Redhat has made a deal, a non-patent one	Mar 20 23:52
schestowitz	Google is such a company	Mar 20 23:52
DaemonFC	History, History International, and History HD	Mar 20 23:52
schestowitz	But it doesn't attack Linux	Mar 20 23:52
schestowitz	Opera too	Mar 20 23:52
_goblin	sebsebseb, http://www.we7.com/#/	Mar 20 23:52
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Free Music, Listen to Music Free .::. Size~: 106.88 KB	Mar 20 23:53
sebsebseb	_goblin: the # is in the URL?	Mar 20 23:53
DaemonFC	I have no idea why they'd make one specifically labeled "International"	Mar 20 23:53
sebsebseb	_goblin: free music?	Mar 20 23:53
Sir_Konrad	schestowitz: true. So you boycotted just because of the nature of the Novell/M$ deal. right?	Mar 20 23:53
_goblin	sebsebseb, yeah I noticed that....	Mar 20 23:53
sebsebseb	_goblin: oh we7	Mar 20 23:53
_goblin	sebsebseb, free to stream (with ads) drm free to buy and download.	Mar 20 23:53
sebsebseb	_goblin: that sounds familur	Mar 20 23:53
sebsebseb	I think I been on this before yeah	Mar 20 23:53
_goblin	sebsebseb, they have a massive library	Mar 20 23:53
sebsebseb	BBC Click mentioned	Mar 20 23:53
DaemonFC	_goblin: Spotify is really pissing me off	Mar 20 23:53
_goblin	DaemonFC, I can honestly say Ive never even visited it.	Mar 20 23:54
Sir_Konrad	I don't support Microsoft. :D	Mar 20 23:54
_goblin	Microsoft FC?	Mar 20 23:54
schestowitz	Sir_Konrad: the deal is an attack on me and you	Mar 20 23:54
ender2070	Sir_Konrad - you're running osx :)	Mar 20 23:54
schestowitz	It ruins "Linux" (and GNU and other things)	Mar 20 23:54
DaemonFC	_goblin: "We don't provide service to your country yet" for the last YEAR	Mar 20 23:54
_goblin	DaemonFC, who's that? spotify?	Mar 20 23:55
Sir_Konrad	ender2070: how do you know what my OS is anyway? :D	Mar 20 23:55
DaemonFC	yeah	Mar 20 23:55
DaemonFC	Like it's some big bother to license the same music to stream here	Mar 20 23:55
_goblin	DaemonFC, oh dear	Mar 20 23:55
sebsebseb	_goblin: ok thanks	Mar 20 23:55
Sir_Konrad	ender2070: yes, I am on my MacBook Pro right now, but I have a Ubuntu 9.10 box and I VM Ubuntu on this Macbook Pro. :)	Mar 20 23:55
ender2070	Sir_Konrad - a ctcp version	Mar 20 23:56
MinceR	ew	Mar 20 23:56
DaemonFC	_goblin: The funny thing is that you can sign up for it from behind a proxy in the UK and then pay them through PayPal for a premium account	Mar 20 23:56
Sir_Konrad	schestowitz: true.	Mar 20 23:56
Sir_Konrad	MinceR: ew what?!!	Mar 20 23:56
DaemonFC	it'll just assume you're visiting the United States then	Mar 20 23:56
ender2070	[19:46] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from Sir_Konrad: Colloquy 2.3 (4617) - Mac OS X 10.6.2 (Intel) - http://colloquy.info.	Mar 20 23:56
DaemonFC	and it keeps working	Mar 20 23:56
MinceR	a mac running macos	Mar 20 23:56
MinceR	twice the disgusting	Mar 20 23:56
Sir_Konrad	MinceR: LOL	Mar 20 23:56
*Sir_Konrad <3 Mac.		Mar 20 23:57
Sir_Konrad	MinceR: heck, it's not Microsoft. :D	Mar 20 23:57
ender2070	I was hoping pystar would win	Mar 20 23:57
DaemonFC	Apple paid the judge and jury	Mar 20 23:57
ender2070	lol	Mar 20 23:57
DaemonFC	you know they did	Mar 20 23:57
_goblin	Im loving SKY+HD btw	Mar 20 23:58
ender2070	if pystar won, we'd be able to buy a $69 OSX upgrade disk and legally use it on our pcs	Mar 20 23:58
Sir_Konrad	oh well, I'm a supporter of FOSS and use Ubuntu but I love Mac. I'm not supporting MS so I'm good. XD	Mar 20 23:58
Sir_Konrad	ender2070: I hackintoshed my PC anyway. :)	Mar 20 23:58
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ender2070	Sir_Konrad - well +1 for anti-ms, but -1 for Apple :)	Mar 20 23:58
ender2070	lol	Mar 20 23:58
ender2070	so you're still good	Mar 20 23:58
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Sir_Konrad	ender2070: did Novell make a deal with Apple? :D	Mar 20 23:59
ender2070	no but ms does	Mar 20 23:59
Sir_Konrad	ender2070: yeah, we should convince Bill Gates to install Ubuntu. :P	Mar 20 23:59
ender2070	he probably does	Mar 20 23:59
ender2070	he knows how bad his software is	Mar 20 23:59
DaemonFC	Windows and OS X are Coke and Pepsi	Mar 20 23:59

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