| _goblin | If anyone has time (or is bored) check out the conversation Ive had with http://twitter.com/alimbada whose only comeback is "google it" a Mono-Martyr with no argument just a few accusations and very little preparation. | Mar 27 00:04 |
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| _goblin | "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again" - Maybe he should have considered that before engaging me. | Mar 27 00:06 |
| _goblin | or even: | Mar 27 00:06 |
| _goblin | "cave quid dicis, quando, et cui." | Mar 27 00:07 |
| _goblin | Got some good material for the only pro-Mono argument that hasn't involved 4 letter vulgarities. | Mar 27 00:08 |
| _goblin | and don't forget....if you dare to mention an opinion other than a pro-mono one......http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/ahhhhh-youre-killing-foss/ | Mar 27 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | Missionary pwned by Amazon people http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr3q6Cid1po | Mar 27 00:12 |
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| yuhong | Personally, though I know about Mono's problems, I don't think Ubuntu's use of it is that bad. | Mar 27 00:17 |
| yuhong | First of all, if Mono is attacked using software patents of any kind, it is easy to substitute applications. | Mar 27 00:18 |
| yuhong | Second of all, the way Ubuntu uses Mono is unlikely to lead to a switch back to Windows. | Mar 27 00:19 |
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| _goblin | yuhong: I'd agree, but my issue has always been....Whats the point of Mono in the first place? | Mar 27 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | Popularising Microsoft APIs | Mar 27 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | ianto: you liike Mon and #C well see the convo above | Mar 27 00:29 |
| schestowitz | This is interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLU7qcMYKO8 | Mar 27 00:29 |
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| sebsebseb | ianto: Mono #C and Ubuntu and Visaul Studio, and maybe Windows as well :D | Mar 27 00:29 |
| schestowitz | c#? | Mar 27 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: yeah C# | Mar 27 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | uh | Mar 27 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: | Mar 27 00:30 |
| schestowitz | I thought you were twiter-tagging c the first time | Mar 27 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Then I saw that repated | Mar 27 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Anyway... | Mar 27 00:30 |
| yuhong | "Popularising Microsoft APIs" Oops, I quit and restart, can you say that again. | Mar 27 00:31 |
| yuhong | schestowitz: "Popularising Microsoft APIs" | Mar 27 00:32 |
| yuhong | Oops, I quit and restart ChatZilla, can you say that again. | Mar 27 00:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] When I see #fail like the #Huawei E160E usb modem 20% CPU burn, my coding finger starts 2 itch. Wonder how it is on #Linux/Windoz @internode | Mar 27 00:34 | |
| yuhong | Anyway, did you see what I just said about Mono and Ubuntu? | Mar 27 00:34 |
| cubezzz | ? | Mar 27 00:35 |
| cubezzz | btw MSN really really sucks | Mar 27 00:35 |
| cubezzz | I got booted off for no reason | Mar 27 00:35 |
| yuhong | I said that I think Ubuntu can easily switch to alternatives if Mono becomes unusable because of say a software patent. | Mar 27 00:36 |
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| _goblin | I'd agree, although the worry would be perception of a Mono relationship in the first place and the damage it could do to the Ubuntu distro. | Mar 27 00:36 |
| cubezzz | never rely on MSN | Mar 27 00:36 |
| _goblin | Imagine if Novell had not signed a deal, I would put money on Novell being in the position Canonical is now... | Mar 27 00:37 |
| _goblin | and since MS are masters of perception management I think they knew the damage the "deal" would do to Novell. | Mar 27 00:38 |
| _goblin | it was win win for them. | Mar 27 00:38 |
| cubezzz | I don't think they are masters of perception management | Mar 27 00:38 |
| cubezzz | they are transparent fraudsters | Mar 27 00:38 |
| _goblin | for the masses I think they have perception sorted...... | Mar 27 00:39 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure they _try_ to be masters of perception management | Mar 27 00:39 |
| _goblin | most average users don't believe there is anything else to PC's other than Windows. | Mar 27 00:39 |
| cubezzz | us old timers know better | Mar 27 00:39 |
| cubezzz | well they must be young then | Mar 27 00:39 |
| _goblin | you'd be suprised... | Mar 27 00:40 |
| _goblin | many "old timers" never jumped onto the IT bandwagon until 2000's | Mar 27 00:40 |
| _goblin | many of the people I work with don't believe a PC can run without MS products. | Mar 27 00:40 |
| cubezzz | that's just sad | Mar 27 00:40 |
| _goblin | you don't know the half of it..... | Mar 27 00:41 |
| _goblin | you have to keep in mind (and this is an example of the "level" I work with) | Mar 27 00:41 |
| cubezzz | it's much worse than the 80's then | Mar 27 00:41 |
| cubezzz | no more SGI no more Sparc... | Mar 27 00:42 |
| _goblin | I once pressed "CTRL-ALT" and the down arrow on a Windows PC (it makes the screen flip upside down).....I did it as a joke to a college just to see if they knew how to fix it...... | Mar 27 00:42 |
| _goblin | I came back in the room to see....... | Mar 27 00:42 |
| _goblin | they had physically turned the monitor upside down, just so they could use it. | Mar 27 00:42 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Mar 27 00:43 |
| cubezzz | then you set it back right? :) | Mar 27 00:43 |
| _goblin | yeah. | Mar 27 00:43 |
| _goblin | but it shows the general level of many. | Mar 27 00:43 |
| cubezzz | wow, college kids are dumb these days | Mar 27 00:43 |
| yuhong | And the way Ubuntu uses Mono, it is unlikely to lead to a switch to Windows. | Mar 27 00:43 |
| _goblin | these were grown adults in my workplace. | Mar 27 00:44 |
| cubezzz | does anyone know if sparc is still being made? | Mar 27 00:44 |
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| cubezzz | like new cpus and all that | Mar 27 00:44 |
| cubezzz | Amiga 4000's are still getting $400+ on ebay | Mar 27 00:45 |
| cubezzz | well... ok I'm depressed now | Mar 27 00:46 |
| cubezzz | relatively speaking | Mar 27 00:46 |
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| yuhong | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/03/why_microsofts_campus_pub_is_operated_by_a_google_employee.html | Mar 27 01:03 |
| yuhong | Funny, huh. | Mar 27 01:03 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, yuhong | Mar 27 01:05 |
| schestowitz | Old news | Mar 27 01:05 |
| schestowitz | gn | Mar 27 01:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Shattering yet again the myth of #Microsoft as an innovator, using the past week’s news alone http://ur1.ca/ryrq | Mar 27 01:05 | |
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| yuhong | OK. | Mar 27 01:06 |
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| sebsebseb | bruce89: jono _goblin ianto http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/ubuntu-radianceambiance-firefox.html | Mar 27 01:31 |
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| bruce89 | get_iplayer decided to download everything | Mar 27 01:31 |
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| sebsebseb | bruce89: I think that black theme will make Firefox fit in better on Lucid | Mar 27 01:32 |
| bruce89 | firefox is crap anyway | Mar 27 01:33 |
| sebsebseb | no it's not | Mar 27 01:33 |
| bruce89 | I was just saying that to annoy you, I don't use it so I can't comment | Mar 27 01:34 |
| bruce89 | but I don't understand how a dark theme makes a non-native thing integrate better | Mar 27 01:34 |
| sebsebseb | Firefox doesn't look right on Lucid by default | Mar 27 01:34 |
| sebsebseb | other apps that's fine | Mar 27 01:34 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then open up Firefox with default theme and uh | Mar 27 01:35 |
| bruce89 | because firefox doesn't use GTK+ | Mar 27 01:35 |
| bruce89 | probably doesn't like dark themes | Mar 27 01:35 |
| sebsebseb | to black for my likeing at the top, but if I made the top of actsual Firefox black as well, I think it will look better | Mar 27 01:35 |
| sebsebseb | well something to try in vm | Mar 27 01:35 |
| bruce89 | at the top? | Mar 27 01:35 |
| sebsebseb | yeah the title bar | Mar 27 01:35 |
| bruce89 | I thought you had gone off Ubuntu anyway | Mar 27 01:35 |
| sebsebseb | and the file edit and what not menu | Mar 27 01:35 |
| sebsebseb | still on the other computer for now | Mar 27 01:36 |
| sebsebseb | and yes i'll be in the IRC when Lucid comes out | Mar 27 01:36 |
| sebsebseb | should be interesting | Mar 27 01:36 |
| cubezzz | lynx anyone :) | Mar 27 01:36 |
| cubezzz | plus it compiles fast :) | Mar 27 01:36 |
| bruce89 | heh | Mar 27 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | like it or not | Mar 27 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | and yes bruce89 I know you don't care much about market share | Mar 27 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | I don't care that much to be honest myself, about Desktop Linux gaining a more proper market share | Mar 27 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | I guess mobile will take over instead | Mar 27 01:37 |
| cubezzz | perhaps | Mar 27 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah would be nice to have say 4% ? | Mar 27 01:38 |
| cubezzz | I need a real keyboard though | Mar 27 01:38 |
| bruce89 | not really | Mar 27 01:38 |
| sebsebseb | for Desktop Linux market share | Mar 27 01:38 |
| cubezzz | I want 33% :) | Mar 27 01:38 |
| sebsebseb | and it is nice to help newbies with Ubuntu or other Linux distros | Mar 27 01:38 |
| cubezzz | Windows 33% Mac 33% Linux 33% | Mar 27 01:38 |
| bruce89 | what's the other 1%? | Mar 27 01:38 |
| cubezzz | BSD? :) | Mar 27 01:38 |
| *bruce89 should download Debian kfreebsd to annoy sebsebseb | Mar 27 01:39 | |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: uh above that was meant to be, I don't care that much anymore, about Desktop Linux gaining a more proper market share | Mar 27 01:39 |
| bruce89 | any more | Mar 27 01:39 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: that woudn't annoy me | Mar 27 01:39 |
| sebsebseb | I know Debian use a BSD kernel] | Mar 27 01:39 |
| sebsebseb | kernel | Mar 27 01:39 |
| sebsebseb | BSD is Unix :) | Mar 27 01:39 |
| sebsebseb | above that was meant to be, I know Debian can use a BSD kernel | Mar 27 01:40 |
| bruce89 | ah | Mar 27 01:40 |
| bruce89 | I was going to point that out | Mar 27 01:40 |
| cubezzz | I'm getting a Sparc | Mar 27 01:40 |
| bruce89 | interesting | Mar 27 01:40 |
| sebsebseb | A Sparc? | Mar 27 01:40 |
| cubezzz | no more wintel for me | Mar 27 01:40 |
| cubezzz | yeah and they still make new ones too | Mar 27 01:41 |
| bruce89 | don't be MIPSy | Mar 27 01:41 |
| bruce89 | you're pulling my ARM | Mar 27 01:41 |
| cubezzz | I got a zaurus :) | Mar 27 01:41 |
| sebsebseb | make Firefox look right, and I think i'll have the default theme on 10.04 for my brothers | Mar 27 01:41 |
| cubezzz | x86 is boring | Mar 27 01:41 |
| sebsebseb | oh as for the buttons on the left, they probably won't care much | Mar 27 01:41 |
| sebsebseb | yes I can put on the right, but I been thinking about that | Mar 27 01:42 |
| sebsebseb | why have it like Windows? | Mar 27 01:42 |
| bruce89 | why have it like OS X? | Mar 27 01:42 |
| sebsebseb | in fact if I remember correctly one of the first things when I was new to Desktop Linux, was how Gnome and KDE, were both quite Windows like relaly | Mar 27 01:42 |
| cubezzz | probably to get dozers onto Linux easier | Mar 27 01:42 |
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| sebsebseb | bruce89: ah, but it's not so much like OS X | Mar 27 01:42 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: did you read my article, it's very interesting | Mar 27 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | ,because the buttons don't look as nice as OS X's window buttons | Mar 27 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | and they are in an odd order | Mar 27 01:43 |
| cubezzz | it's all WIMP | Mar 27 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: what article? | Mar 27 01:43 |
| cubezzz | there's not a lot of variation | Mar 27 01:43 |
| bruce89 | the community one | Mar 27 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: WIMP? | Mar 27 01:43 |
| cubezzz | Windows Icon Mouse Pulldown | Mar 27 01:43 |
| bruce89 | it's a pathetic person | Mar 27 01:43 |
| bruce89 | damn, cubezzz gave the real answer | Mar 27 01:43 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: http://www.scrum.com/celticleague/rugby/story/113238.html | Mar 27 01:43 |
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| cubezzz | why don't we have 3d interface? | Mar 27 01:44 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: No I forgot about that, and not sure where the link gone, you can give again | Mar 27 01:44 |
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| bruce89 | heh, wrong one | Mar 27 01:44 |
| cubezzz | I mean it is 2010 | Mar 27 01:44 |
| bruce89 | also, sebsebseb would like http://blog.fortytwo.ch/archives/78-Community-Distributrion.html | Mar 27 01:45 |
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| bruce89 | cubezzz: well, meego appears to, and gnome-shell is kind of | Mar 27 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: well I saw on BBC Click, 3D lap tops | Mar 27 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: not much 3D stuff for them though | Mar 27 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | except for games | Mar 27 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | going back to buttons on the left, it seems to be, becasue Shuttleworth wants to do even more Gnome editing in 10.10 | Mar 27 01:46 |
| sebsebseb | and put something on the right where the buttons were | Mar 27 01:46 |
| sebsebseb | thing is by 10.10 Gnome 3 will probably be used instead :) on other computer, if it's still going to run Ubuntu | Mar 27 01:47 |
| bruce89 | I vote for a fork-o-matic link | Mar 27 01:47 |
| sebsebseb | I am not sure yet, if going to move the buttons to the right, or keep on left | Mar 27 01:47 |
| sebsebseb | there seems to be no proper reason to have on left by default in 10.04 though. also Gnome 3 will have buttons on the right? | Mar 27 01:48 |
| bruce89 | GNOME 3.0 has no difference in that regard | Mar 27 01:48 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: no buttons? or? | Mar 27 01:48 |
| bruce89 | I've yet to see any theme changes proposed | Mar 27 01:48 |
| bruce89 | I assume there will be some kind of dark theme, because the top bar is black | Mar 27 01:49 |
| sebsebseb | why get my brothers used to using those buttons on the left and in the odd Ubuntu order, if I upgrade to 10.10, They end up using those buttons on the right like before? Also when on Windows they will be used to them on the right. | Mar 27 01:49 |
| sebsebseb | just buttons, but why change something when what was before, is fine | Mar 27 01:50 |
| sebsebseb | Also Bing/Yahoo which is the default or Google, hrm | Mar 27 01:50 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: have you read my article? | Mar 27 01:51 |
| bruce89 | it is very interesting, trust me | Mar 27 01:51 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: see two Ubuntu changes, that have to make experienced users think about if they want to change or not | Mar 27 01:51 |
| sebsebseb | I am about to read it | Mar 27 01:51 |
| bruce89 | it talks about how Ubuntu is not a community distro, so this sort of thing is expected | Mar 27 01:52 |
| bruce89 | and the fact comments on its bug tracker tend to be of a low quality | Mar 27 01:53 |
| _goblin | Anyone who was active with me on Microsoft watch around a year and a half ago should know that Philosopher has just been in contact....great to hear from him after so long....MSwatch posting were happy times. | Mar 27 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: well the thing itself isn't much, but links to other things yes | Mar 27 01:56 |
| bruce89 | sebsebseb: sorry? | Mar 27 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: the link you gave | Mar 27 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | wasn't much | Mar 27 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | it's a message | Mar 27 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | that links to other things | Mar 27 01:57 |
| bruce89 | also, sebsebseb would like http://blog.fortytwo.ch/archives/78-Community-Distributrion.html | Mar 27 01:58 |
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| sebsebseb | bruce89: yes that's what I went on | Mar 27 01:58 |
| bruce89 | ah, that wasn't the one | Mar 27 01:59 |
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| SuborbitalPigeon | sebsebseb: http://blog.steve.org.uk/i_don_t_like_it_when_people_yell_at_me_for_no_reason_at_all.html | Mar 27 02:02 |
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| bruce89 | good god https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy | Mar 27 02:04 |
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| bruce89 | crazy, seems they're going to patch everything to use MiB etc. | Mar 27 02:10 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: MiB ? Mandriva International Imports? | Mar 27 02:11 |
| sebsebseb | uh Backports | Mar 27 02:11 |
| bruce89 | Mibibytes | Mar 27 02:11 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: anyway read that blog, what about it? | Mar 27 02:11 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: that would be interesting if Ubuntu used MIB | Mar 27 02:11 |
| sebsebseb | heh heh | Mar 27 02:12 |
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| bruce89 | apparently they want to introduce a library - libunits that everything will link to | Mar 27 02:15 |
| _goblin | Right, Im off the night....gn.. | Mar 27 02:21 |
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| bruce89 | sebsebseb: read it? | Mar 27 02:24 |
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| ianto | Men In Black I would've suspected instead of your response sebsebseb. Either that or what bruce89 said ;) | Mar 27 02:27 |
| bruce89 | ah yes, heh, forgot about tha | Mar 27 02:28 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: read that Ubuntu site link, no not yet | Mar 27 02:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Dumping in Healthcare; Michigan, California, New York, and Jordan Also Targeted http://ur1.ca/s080 | Mar 27 08:01 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Sony shuts Beyonce's Youtube site down http://ur1.ca/s0ba | Mar 27 08:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kuhn Back in #FSF Board of Directors, Addresses Cheap Shots from #Microsoft MVP de Icaza http://ur1.ca/s0em | Mar 27 08:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] This could feel like your kind of day, for you've been given a... More for Aquarius http://twittascope.com/?sign=11 | Mar 27 08:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More money to be spent on #Google , at the expense of #Microsoft , which in turn lobbies the government http://ur1.ca/s0kk | Mar 27 09:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows #security still broken, judging by #Pwn2Own http://ur1.ca/s0p5 #Vista7 cracked again , anyone shocked? | Mar 27 09:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ive decided that I'm in love with my HTC and Android. To think I suffered with Windows Mobile for so long. #windows #android | Mar 27 10:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: Music critic oppressed by The Man. http://rocknerd.co.uk/2010/03/27/music-critic-oppressed-by-the-man/ | Mar 27 10:23 | |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 27 10:29 |
| schestowitz | J0 | Mar 27 10:30 |
| schestowitz | I'm going to a friend's house soon.. | Mar 27 10:30 |
| schestowitz | Quiet day.. | Mar 27 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://failblog.org/2010/03/26/ad-placement-fail-5/ | Mar 27 10:32 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Sells Algorithms But Not Programs, Sued for #Patent Violations in #Zune http://ur1.ca/s0zu | Mar 27 10:43 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://failblog.org/2010/03/16/comcast-fail-2/ | Mar 27 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Mar 27 10:54 |
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| DaemonFC | 10 MB is like having a hard drive? | Mar 27 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | Is this 1985? | Mar 27 10:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wooah! New Ubuntu startup twinkly stars! | Mar 27 10:55 | |
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| DaemonFC | so much for Happy Meal toys | Mar 27 10:59 |
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| DaemonFC | http://failblog.org/2010/03/07/lease-fail/ | Mar 27 11:10 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz will like that | Mar 27 11:10 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s past as seen from the eyes of people who make money from #Microsoft , courtesy of IDG http://ur1.ca/s1dg | Mar 27 11:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Want! Super strength Marmite! RT @jupitusphillip WTF!? http://yfrog.com/j0iajvj | Mar 27 11:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .@arkadyrose is discovering why people call these things "crackberries". | Mar 27 11:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Citrix is prioritising #Windows Server and so does #Amazon , which continues to discriminate against #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/s1f8 | Mar 27 11:53 | |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Mar 27 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Out celebrating | Mar 27 11:53 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I really do need a new look for my site...none of the WP themes seem suitable....maybe I'll create my own.... | Mar 27 11:59 | |
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| MinceR | http://www.betanews.com/article/Has-SSL-become-pointless-Researchers-suspect-statesponsored-CA-forgery/1269551694 http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/packet-forensics/ | Mar 27 13:04 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Looking forward to recording another @uupc with another great interviewee lined up :) | Mar 27 13:05 | |
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| *omar_ is now known as Omar87 | Mar 27 14:36 | |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | Mar 27 14:36 |
| MinceR | hay | Mar 27 14:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Free MP3s are not rare and cost the user minutes of their lives and ISP bandwidth usage. Is there a business model in making people care? | Mar 27 15:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] And yet again, the yearly Pwn20wn hacking contest proves just how terrible #Windows is when it comes to security: http://tinyurl.com/ye5zhpb | Mar 27 15:07 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Vista 7 Cracked Again | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 102.52 KB | Mar 27 15:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #IE8 busted in under 2 minutes at #Pwn20wn!! http://tinyurl.com/ybrtk3w | Mar 27 15:09 | |
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| Omar87 | Man! This is hilarious! :P | Mar 27 15:20 |
| MinceR | http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=222 | Mar 27 15:27 |
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| MinceR | http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ga/2000/ga000208.gif | Mar 27 15:56 |
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| cubezzz | but Garfield wasn't funny | Mar 27 15:59 |
| cubezzz | Heathcliff ftw :) | Mar 27 15:59 |
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| cubezzz | hard to believe it all started in 1978 | Mar 27 16:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Parents of kids at Sophie's (6) school were alarmed to hear from the children that in Physical Education they were learning Pole Dancing! | Mar 27 16:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] .. that would be May Pole Dancing! :) (phew!) | Mar 27 16:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: PF#19: Mardi Picasso, 1994. http://rocknerd.co.uk/2010/03/27/pf19-mardi-picasso-1994/ | Mar 27 16:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Priest: "It was the sexy kids' faults" http://is.gd/b2cP2 CATHOLICS: YOUR DONATIONS AT WORK | Mar 27 16:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I have gone from a house full of kids to a soft-play centre with an awful lot more noisy kids. Not mine of course :) | Mar 27 16:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] FUCKING ROCKNERD GOT MALWARED AARGH You know kids, when they say "keep Wordpress up to date"? They really mean it. | Mar 27 16:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Uh... Pathetic naive people never fail at turning my guts!! >< | Mar 27 16:58 | |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, ping. | Mar 27 17:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Today is Earth Day. Candles make more CO2 than electric lights. You idiot. | Mar 27 17:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Quit mass-hypnotizing the minds of the innocent youth please, will ya? @mshady | Mar 27 17:14 | |
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| cubezzz | is pwn2own over the net? | Mar 27 17:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Mar 27 17:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | its over a network, obviously | Mar 27 17:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | but you have to show up in person | Mar 27 17:19 |
| cubezzz | ah | Mar 27 17:20 |
| Omar87 | I wonder if there's anything new about Scarepoint. | Mar 27 17:20 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Took my day off, had fun in queen's land -amusement park with office pals http://www.queenslandamusementpark.com/ | Mar 27 17:22 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Queensland, Amusement Park, Theme Park, rides, thrilling games, entertainment .::. Size~: 1.16 KB | Mar 27 17:22 |
| Omar87 | So, Pwn2own is still going atm? | Mar 27 17:40 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Whats going on? Its the weekend and O2 hasn't let me down yet? Maybe Ive been switched already and haven't noticed? | Mar 27 17:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Trial – A mobilephobics view of Android (complimented with the HTC Hero) http://tinyurl.com/yhs2wxb #htc #android #winmob | Mar 27 18:02 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Trial A mobilephobics view of Android (complimented with the HTC Hero) « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 32.69 KB | Mar 27 18:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] "In the land of the blind, the [one-eyed man] is king." ~Erasmus (of Rotterdam) | Mar 27 18:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @Omar_S_Hafez According to a Twitter user, Im "Blind" for not liking Mono....He's the latest Mono-Martyr Ive discovered. | Mar 27 18:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @Omar_S_Hafez Shame he can't defend his product properly, maybe he doesn't have the argument or mayb just the knowledge? | Mar 27 18:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @Omar_S_Hafez He another person who claims to be a "professional" coder.... Yep a pro using C#....Maybe a pro-Lamer... | Mar 27 18:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @_Goblin yeah. Perhaps. :) | Mar 27 18:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @_Goblin You'll be surprised at how pathetic some of the people I know are. | Mar 27 18:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @Omar_S_Hafez Maybe they are the same people who try to challenge me? alimbada was probably the weakest yet.... | Mar 27 18:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @Omar_S_Hafez If these are the people promoting Mono, then the framework will be completely dumped within the year. | Mar 27 18:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @_Goblin they were clapping and applauding for some stupid Sharepoint Mass-hypnosis campaign lately, as if watching a Diamondbacks match. | Mar 27 18:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @_Goblin LOL! Nice one! :P | Mar 27 18:15 | |
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| Omar87 | _goblin, ping | Mar 27 18:19 |
| Omar87 | _goblin, are you there? | Mar 27 18:29 |
| _goblin | yeah... | Mar 27 18:36 |
| _goblin | just having a smoke.... | Mar 27 18:36 |
| _goblin | brb | Mar 27 18:36 |
| cubezzz | zaurus makes a pretty good Ereader | Mar 27 18:38 |
| cubezzz | I can even rotate the screen | Mar 27 18:38 |
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| user99672 | does anyone here know how to program with QuickBASIC 4.5? | Mar 27 18:50 |
| user99672 | * here | Mar 27 18:50 |
| user99672 | no reply, typical | Mar 27 18:51 |
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| cubezzz | lol | Mar 27 18:52 |
| cubezzz | a microsoft creation... | Mar 27 18:52 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Teacher arrested for banging 18 year old student that wasnt his and not at his school, woman's rights set back 20 years http://ur1.ca/s2sw | Mar 27 18:52 | |
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| cubezzz | I wouldn't mind finding dosbox for zaurus though | Mar 27 18:53 |
| Omar87 | Where's Roy? | Mar 27 18:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] 'allo folks, boy did I need that sleep. :-) | Mar 27 18:54 | |
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| Omar87 | Oh my God.. I just found out that MS is the maker of the Verdana font. My favorite font is made by M$!! T_T | Mar 27 19:01 |
| Omar87 | And Arial as well.. :( | Mar 27 19:01 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure there's a similar font for Linux | Mar 27 19:02 |
| MinceR | i prefer Bitstream Vera/DejaVu Sans | Mar 27 19:02 |
| cubezzz | Standard Symbols L, 14 for me in xchat | Mar 27 19:03 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Finally back to Delhi after a week long trip for #foss. | Mar 27 19:04 | |
| cubezzz | gutenburg could have named their files better rather than 2345.txt | Mar 27 19:10 |
| cubezzz | plus the audio links look exactly the same as the text links | Mar 27 19:10 |
| cubezzz | still, I shouldn't complain that the copyright on _some_ things finally expired | Mar 27 19:11 |
| cubezzz | I had an interesting talk with a Waterloo guy the other day | Mar 27 19:32 |
| cubezzz | he disagreed with my use of older operating systems | Mar 27 19:32 |
| cubezzz | I said that is one of the perks of FOSS | Mar 27 19:35 |
| cubezzz | I have the source, I can maintain older systems myself | Mar 27 19:35 |
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| cubezzz | well that sucks, I can't run dosbox on zaurus | Mar 27 19:42 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] WRT Gwibber and Indicator Applet in Ubuntu Lucid. Is this working as designed or am I missing something? http://bit.ly/bwHzxg | Mar 27 20:25 | |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz microsoft is a dictatorship" http://identi.ca/conversation/26251750#notice-26265271 http://identi.ca/conversation/26254352#notice-26267463 "@schestowitz what's this about redhat signing a deal w/ microsoft? @lxoliva hasn't said anything and i know he would" "@schestowitz Hmmmm that's very interesting. Microsoft has been the golden eggs chicken for some peoples... Not only Bill Gates..." http://identi.ca/ | Mar 27 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. http://groups.google.com/group/transitiontownrichmond/browse_thread/thread/9be281f232fa6529/ea6e12154db7a490 | Mar 27 20:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wondering how many people will tweet that they have turned off electrical devices for #earthhour | Mar 27 20:29 | |
| _goblin | Not me (re: the above tweet) | Mar 27 20:30 |
| _goblin | silly idea, makes no difference....Global warming (if indeed it is a direct result of man) is a requirement for the development of mankind. | Mar 27 20:30 |
| _goblin | although it doesn't explain why Mars seems to be suffering the same warming....... | Mar 27 20:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Some interesting discussion about the value of planet blog aggregators at http://is.gd/b0pdL #shotofjaq | Mar 27 20:31 | |
| MinceR | one hour of not being able to do anything meaningful isn't going to help anyway | Mar 27 20:31 |
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| _goblin | MinceR: Thats the reason I left Windows.....I only ever managed 1 hour of uptime.... ;) | Mar 27 20:32 |
| _goblin | you see I think the development of mankind hinges on Global warming. | Mar 27 20:32 |
| MinceR | how so? | Mar 27 20:32 |
| _goblin | man has always advanced and developed from adversity....its the human condition, adapt, evolve, survive. | Mar 27 20:33 |
| MinceR | there's no need for global warming then | Mar 27 20:33 |
| MinceR | human society generates more adversity than anyone needs | Mar 27 20:33 |
| _goblin | there is, its a problem......mankind adapts and advances. | Mar 27 20:33 |
| _goblin | alternative fuels | Mar 27 20:33 |
| _goblin | etc | Mar 27 20:33 |
| _goblin | we are slowly approaching a point where the line between imagination and realistic technologies is getting thinner.....global warming will be one such step in the advancement of mankind, just like any large scale adversity.... | Mar 27 20:35 |
| MinceR | how much of the biosphere has to die so that mankind can learn its lesson? | Mar 27 20:35 |
| _goblin | maybe all of it..... | Mar 27 20:35 |
| _goblin | then it will produce the next "industrial revolution" | Mar 27 20:35 |
| _goblin | and the next step in human history | Mar 27 20:35 |
| MinceR | no, then it will produce starvation to death | Mar 27 20:35 |
| MinceR | also, suffocating in lack of oxygen | Mar 27 20:36 |
| _goblin | it won't because the human condition adapts.... | Mar 27 20:36 |
| _goblin | thats my point..... | Mar 27 20:36 |
| _goblin | through adversity we perform at our best | Mar 27 20:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] dd'ing zeros on SSD of Eee 900 to reinstall Lucid for a clean start and testing the installer. | Mar 27 20:36 | |
| _goblin | otherwise we go stale | Mar 27 20:36 |
| _goblin | the greatest acts of humanity are performed in the greatest times of need. | Mar 27 20:37 |
| _goblin | the soldier who runs across the battlefield to save a comrad. | Mar 27 20:37 |
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| _goblin | thats my theory anyway. | Mar 27 20:37 |
| MinceR | sounds like a bad excuse to me | Mar 27 20:38 |
| _goblin | not really.... | Mar 27 20:38 |
| _goblin | as mankind can't be to blame for Mars heating up too. | Mar 27 20:38 |
| _goblin | maybe, just maybe its designed to force us into a more cohesive society.... | Mar 27 20:39 |
| _goblin | maybe its to force us on the next stage of advancement. | Mar 27 20:39 |
| _goblin | or maybe its a message to say the time is up for Humans....time to give something else a go. | Mar 27 20:39 |
| MinceR | yes, designed | Mar 27 20:40 |
| _goblin | It was president Regan who said that the one way to unite the world and make them realize we are all the same would be if aliens were to invade....I think he had a point....global problem, united planet. | Mar 27 20:40 |
| *WireWulf is now known as WireWulf-away | Mar 27 20:40 | |
| MinceR | actually there's another way -- evolving into creatures that aren't quite so stupid | Mar 27 20:41 |
| MinceR | on average | Mar 27 20:41 |
| _goblin | Until Microsoft staff are taken off earth thats hardly a reality. | Mar 27 20:41 |
| MinceR | that's achievable. | Mar 27 20:42 |
| _goblin | I suggest putting them on Europa.... | Mar 27 20:42 |
| _goblin | or possibly Titan. | Mar 27 20:42 |
| _goblin | Theres nice views on those planets. | Mar 27 20:42 |
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| MinceR | i'd rather put them into the Sun | Mar 27 20:42 |
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| _goblin | they are so cold hearted they would probably put it out. | Mar 27 20:42 |
| MinceR | nah | Mar 27 20:43 |
| MinceR | they're no match for the power of the Sun :> | Mar 27 20:43 |
| _goblin | thats why I suggest a moon of saturn.....titan is rather cold.....they would be right at home. | Mar 27 20:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hmm, Is it me or is it completely non-obvious how to follow someone in gwibber? I click someone mentioned, click them but how to follow? | Mar 27 20:43 | |
| _goblin | Mincer: Ballmer would probably patent sunlight. | Mar 27 20:43 |
| MinceR | he can't because he'll be turned into plasma | Mar 27 20:43 |
| _goblin | After listening to some of his "talks" I think he's immune, he does not quite exist in our dimension..... | Mar 27 20:44 |
| schestowitz | [20:38] <_goblin> as mankind can't be to blame for Mars heating up too. | Mar 27 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Source? | Mar 27 20:44 |
| _goblin | "we bing, bing, bing all the time here!" | Mar 27 20:44 |
| _goblin | Er...standby.... | Mar 27 20:45 |
| _goblin | Times Online..... | Mar 27 20:45 |
| _goblin | want the link? | Mar 27 20:45 |
| _goblin | theres loads of articles on it. | Mar 27 20:45 |
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| MinceR | what side is murdoch on? :> | Mar 27 20:45 |
| _goblin | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece | Mar 27 20:45 |
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| _goblin | Schestowitz: National Geographic also reports it Roy.....hundreds of others too....Im suprised you didn't see the articles at the time. | Mar 27 20:46 |
| _goblin | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html | Mar 27 20:46 |
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| MinceR | strange, i remember reading that solar output hasn't increased sufficiently to explain global warming | Mar 27 20:50 |
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| _goblin | Mincer: Speaking for myself (as someone without a science background or job) I can only go off what I read, it seems everyone has an opinion and everyone thinks they are right.....what I would say is this.... | Mar 27 20:54 |
| _goblin | IF Global warming is manmade our attempts to curb it are pointless.......until the large offending countries come on board....something which I don't think will ever happen, hell we can't even tell millions of Windows users to come over to Linux for a better experience, despite all the evidence.... | Mar 27 20:56 |
| _goblin | what chance does Global Warming have? | Mar 27 20:56 |
| MinceR | so your argument is "i don't think we can stop the worst offenders so let's just give up" | Mar 27 20:57 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: Murdoch is not science | Mar 27 20:57 |
| schestowitz | It's disinformation | Mar 27 20:57 |
| schestowitz | AGFAIK, we don't have probes checking the temp. in Mars | Mar 27 20:58 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: Nat Geo is NOT a scientific journal | Mar 27 20:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wondering if I'll have a contract on 16th September 2010. if I do, I'll donate my days salary to Bletchley Park #work4bletchley | Mar 27 20:58 | |
| schestowitz | I've seen other global warming disinfo coming from there | Mar 27 20:58 |
| schestowitz | I could find vids about it | Mar 27 20:58 |
| schestowitz | But I'd rather not chat not cause I'm not sober | Mar 27 20:59 |
| schestowitz | [20:57] <MinceR> so your argument is "i don't think we can stop the worst offenders so let's just give up" | Mar 27 20:59 |
| schestowitz | That's the classic one | Mar 27 20:59 |
| schestowitz | THe question is not, does it happen? | Mar 27 21:00 |
| schestowitz | It's about whether we can increase it, which we do. It can also cause famine | Mar 27 21:00 |
| schestowitz | I had a long chat about it today at the bar... and a lot of people fall for the disinfo, which is scary | Mar 27 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | it usually boils down to people just not understanding | Mar 27 21:01 |
| _goblin | or we can incurr extra economic cost trying to prevent it, whilst the other countries stick two fingers up at the idea... | Mar 27 21:01 |
| _goblin | so we go broke and still get the warming. | Mar 27 21:01 |
| _goblin | I'll tell you something else.... | Mar 27 21:01 |
| _goblin | I have a friend who used to work for the environmental health dept...who CLAIMS that the space saved in UK landfill by people recycling is sold to the USA for their junk. | Mar 27 21:01 |
| _goblin | The better solution would be to accept the warming and find a technology so we can live with it.....human advancement..... | Mar 27 21:01 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: they were just two....theres many more.... | Mar 27 21:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Right, so bug 519262 http://bit.ly/d9RAbF is about Gwibber not having a follow button. #gwibber users mark that bug as affecting you. | Mar 27 21:02 | |
| schestowitz | [21:01] <_goblin> so we go broke and still get the warming. | Mar 27 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Nature has no notion of "Broke" | Mar 27 21:03 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: to be fair, everyone has an opinion and everyone says the other is wrong. | Mar 27 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | Broke is when you can't extract more from nature or water is too contaminated maybe | Mar 27 21:03 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: no, but our reality does.....broke means being unable to do something, like pay for armour for troops.... | Mar 27 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Economics does not come into it | Mar 27 21:03 |
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| phIRCe-BNcom | Hello World! | Mar 27 21:03 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: economics, rightly or wrongly keeps us alive..... | Mar 27 21:03 |
| MinceR | or kills us | Mar 27 21:04 |
| _goblin | we are three meals away from anarchy. | Mar 27 21:04 |
| MinceR | if only | Mar 27 21:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:01] <_goblin> I have a friend who used to work for the environmental health dept...who CLAIMS that the space saved in UK landfill by people recycling is sold to the USA for their junk. | Mar 27 21:04 |
| schestowitz | No. | Mar 27 21:04 |
| schestowitz | hey would not use boats for trash | Mar 27 21:04 |
| _goblin | but to be fair, your opinion is just as valid as his. | Mar 27 21:04 |
| schestowitz | They have enough burial space in the US or even down in .mx | Mar 27 21:04 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: very true, but would the USA want to use it? | Mar 27 21:05 |
| schestowitz | What they do do here is intelligence | Mar 27 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Like their bases that store my E-mails for the US army | Mar 27 21:05 |
| _goblin | ? | Mar 27 21:05 |
| _goblin | what BN? | Mar 27 21:05 |
| _goblin | or do you mean everyone. | Mar 27 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Everyone's | Mar 27 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Yorkshire | Mar 27 21:05 |
| _goblin | ah... | Mar 27 21:05 |
| _goblin | and whats the problem with that? | Mar 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to some ex-army people today | Mar 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | They too know about it | Mar 27 21:06 |
| _goblin | im sure you are not plotting anything. | Mar 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't matter | Mar 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | See Schneier's response to Schmidt | Mar 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | They are stomping on my right to privacy | Mar 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | I get some leaks | Mar 27 21:06 |
| schestowitz | That's how I make some unique posts | Mar 27 21:07 |
| _goblin | but then I could hide in a bush and listen to what you say to your friends.....infact anyone can do that....whats the difference? you are not doing anything wrong, so whats the problem? | Mar 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | And they can target people for stakeholder, as proven before | Mar 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: wait. | Mar 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Let me get the explanation | Mar 27 21:07 |
| _goblin | and do you really think the army would be interested in anything said here? Do you really think they would even want to read it? | Mar 27 21:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/my_reaction_to.html | Mar 27 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: no, unless there is something else | Mar 27 21:08 |
| _goblin | ah....yes I read that before. | Mar 27 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Like, if they try to match something to a preferred conclusion | Mar 27 21:08 |
| schestowitz | It does not work as you imagine | Mar 27 21:08 |
| _goblin | and when has that happened? | Mar 27 21:08 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure some things you do are against the law | Mar 27 21:08 |
| _goblin | nothing. | Mar 27 21:08 |
| schestowitz | You don't need to feed with something to quote-mine or convict you with | Mar 27 21:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Earth Hour activists "go green" by producing more CO2 http://newstechnica.com/?p=1885 | Mar 27 21:09 | |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: if you watched on YouTube a copyrighted films (as BillG admitted doing), then you are a "felon" | Mar 27 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Rules are tools for conviction | Mar 27 21:10 |
| schestowitz | It's only about when someone wants to invoke them | Mar 27 21:10 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, some of the vids OpenBytes links to are copyrighted | Mar 27 21:10 |
| schestowitz | In my sites, I'm exceptionally careful to choose public domain or GPL pictures | Mar 27 21:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Odd questions my wife asks me: "Why do farts smell of poo?", "Obviously you've got one in the nudge bank".. I despair, I really do. | Mar 27 21:12 | |
| schestowitz | A lot of reader would never appreciate this, but I'm very selective when avoiding copytihgt | Mar 27 21:12 |
| _goblin | and when has this happened? | Mar 27 21:12 |
| _goblin | I had this debate before with someone..... | Mar 27 21:12 |
| _goblin | where is the miscarrages of justice...? | Mar 27 21:12 |
| _goblin | if anything the UK is pro-suspect....not pro-prosecution. | Mar 27 21:12 |
| _goblin | cases can be thrown out because the PACE requirement of hourly cell checks have not been carried out....you tell me....who is the law really in favour of? | Mar 27 21:12 |
| _goblin | a pedophile had their case thrown out (and their material returned) because police did not execute the search warrant correctly....he had the material, it was returned to him....tell me, how does the establishment and law have the advantage over the civilian/suspect? | Mar 27 21:12 |
| _goblin | Police cannot engage in covert observation without a mass of permissions.....members of public can covertly observe anyone they like... | Mar 27 21:12 |
| _goblin | the press (and uninformed public) like to have this view/image of the establishement which reads more like 1984 than reality.......let me example something else.....in respect of stop and search..... | Mar 27 21:13 |
| _goblin | theres no obligation to give your details when you are stopped and searched (providing you are not being dealt with for an offence) | Mar 27 21:14 |
| _goblin | "Rules are tools for conviction" - Really? but then everywhere has rules, even this chat room... | Mar 27 21:15 |
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| _goblin | otherwise its anarchy | Mar 27 21:15 |
| _goblin | we would be full of trolls preventing conversation if it was not for rules here. | Mar 27 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | Noit a good analogy | Mar 27 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, I'm just catching up now | Mar 27 21:16 |
| *schestowitz still partly drunk | Mar 27 21:16 | |
| _goblin | schestowitz: In respect of that copyright law you mentioned, its only being suggested at the moment in the USA (i beleive) and it certainly doesn't apply to me and you from the UK | Mar 27 21:16 |
| schestowitz | The chat regulation is different | Mar 27 21:16 |
| schestowitz | I'm talking about criminalisation | Mar 27 21:16 |
| schestowitz | J-walking is a violation of the law | Mar 27 21:17 |
| _goblin | what criminalisation....please give me an example of it. | Mar 27 21:17 |
| _goblin | J-Walking? | Mar 27 21:17 |
| schestowitz | I sometimes cross the road when there are no cars around | Mar 27 21:17 |
| _goblin | in the UK? | Mar 27 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Should I -- like others who do it -- be fine | Mar 27 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Arrested? | Mar 27 21:17 |
| schestowitz | *fined | Mar 27 21:17 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: there is no J-walking offence in the UK | Mar 27 21:17 |
| schestowitz | There is a reasonable wiggling room | Mar 27 21:17 |
| _goblin | ? | Mar 27 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Like if a car ism nowhere to be seen | Mar 27 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Hey, Chips_B_Malroy | Mar 27 21:18 |
| schestowitz | MS-Watch club is here | Mar 27 21:18 |
| schestowitz | All 2 readers of it :-) | Mar 27 21:18 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: I can assure you, there is no offence (or one even remotely close to) a J-walking offence here in the UK.....the closest would be....... | Mar 27 21:18 |
| schestowitz | 3. | Mar 27 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Me included | Mar 27 21:18 |
| _goblin | Causing an unnecessary obstruction with a motor vehicle....... | Mar 27 21:18 |
| _goblin | where a motor vehicle is defined as: | Mar 27 21:18 |
| schestowitz | But is that a written law? | Mar 27 21:19 |
| _goblin | A mechanically propelled vehicle, designed or adapted for use on the road. | Mar 27 21:19 |
| _goblin | yeo | Mar 27 21:19 |
| _goblin | yep | Mar 27 21:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Was watching the local news last night, where the local official unemployment rate was up to 13.4% it dropped to 13.2% in Feb. and Is now 14.0% in Las Vegas | Mar 27 21:19 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: ok, bad example then | Mar 27 21:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | while Vegas might not be a typical city in the usa, still | Mar 27 21:20 |
| schestowitz | The law is twisted anyway | Mar 27 21:20 |
| _goblin | so what would you do if you were talking a friend to hospital and I blocked the road with my car....would you just accept that or would you want a rule to try to prevent me doing it.....As I say, we need rules...people cannot be trusted to behave responsibly by themselves. | Mar 27 21:20 |
| schestowitz | It has you flagged for minor thing | Mar 27 21:20 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine who served in Kuwait knew of violations with life at stake and no punishment | Mar 27 21:20 |
| schestowitz | He had served in the division that was later caught in the whole Iraq torture scandal | Mar 27 21:21 |
| MinceR | _goblin: following rules is not the only way to act responsibly | Mar 27 21:21 |
| schestowitz | The colonel got sacked | Mar 27 21:21 |
| MinceR | _goblin: anarchy isn't "total lack of rules" | Mar 27 21:21 |
| schestowitz | These thugs kill people | Mar 27 21:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | My feeling is the economy, is getting worse here | Mar 27 21:21 |
| _goblin | agreed. | Mar 27 21:21 |
| MinceR | _goblin: get your facts right | Mar 27 21:21 |
| schestowitz | And as he said, there's no law thrte | Mar 27 21:21 |
| schestowitz | The reason it came to light is only leaks | Mar 27 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Like troops uploading pics | Mar 27 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: it will carry on | Mar 27 21:22 |
| schestowitz | "yellow man" (meant in a good way) shall inherit the Earth | Mar 27 21:22 |
| schestowitz | My cardiac surgeon friend is from Malaysia and he tells me of their advancements there | Mar 27 21:23 |
| schestowitz | People here agree basically | Mar 27 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Some still in denial | Mar 27 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Production is now in Asia | Mar 27 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Management will too | Mar 27 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we should all study Mandarin | Mar 27 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Could make us valuable when Chinese companies take over Western firms | Mar 27 21:24 |
| schestowitz | China almost bought part of Federal Motors | Mar 27 21:24 |
| schestowitz | It backed off | Mar 27 21:24 |
| schestowitz | FOr now | Mar 27 21:24 |
| cubezzz | dun dun DUNNN! | Mar 27 21:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I suspect that MS Nick from Steattle Times, partly is a MS fan, because MS is the largest employer there. If the economy is still tanking overall in the USA, we will continue to see layoffs in Seattle, and acelerated offshoring by corporations, including, and especially Microsoft. | Mar 27 21:25 |
| cubezzz | anything would be better than being ruled by Microsoft | Mar 27 21:25 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Gates is now getting into the Nuclear Power plant business | Mar 27 21:26 |
| cubezzz | yeah I heard | Mar 27 21:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hope he is not going run Windows as the safety system to run those Nuke plants | Mar 27 21:26 |
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| cubezzz | I was just about to say... :) | Mar 27 21:27 |
| cubezzz | blue screen of death could be literal death then | Mar 27 21:27 |
| MinceR | blue mushroom cloud of death | Mar 27 21:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you just know he will | Mar 27 21:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Red Cloud of Death | Mar 27 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Boeing does poorly to | Mar 27 21:28 |
| schestowitz | *too | Mar 27 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Not many nations buy planes | Mar 27 21:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | all the airlines | Mar 27 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Pardon my typos, not sober, still | Mar 27 21:28 |
| schestowitz | The nuclear thing is PR | Mar 27 21:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so you tied one on? | Mar 27 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Gates is in "law" | Mar 27 21:29 |
| schestowitz | How ironic, I know | Mar 27 21:29 |
| schestowitz | He is not a scientist | Mar 27 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Just patent hoarder | Mar 27 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Keeping quite when he doesn't know, then prepares speeches | Mar 27 21:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he is a crook | Mar 27 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 27 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Not just him | Mar 27 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Many other billionaires | Mar 27 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I just don't know them well enough | Mar 27 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Many Gates critics link to BN | Mar 27 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I have a long post coming tomottow | Mar 27 21:30 |
| schestowitz | *Rr | Mar 27 21:30 |
| schestowitz | About 40 refs | Mar 27 21:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bet there is appox 100 to 200 families (billionares) that effectively run most of the so called Democratic countries of the world through lobyists and other means. | Mar 27 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will fall along with US economy | Mar 27 21:33 |
| schestowitz | IBM too | Mar 27 21:33 |
| schestowitz | It moves to India mostly | Mar 27 21:33 |
| schestowitz | It's not a commercial issue | Mar 27 21:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Its the billionares with the real political muscle | Mar 27 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, had a chat today about who lobbies and advises population control | Mar 27 21:33 |
| schestowitz | GAVI, UN, some world leaders and their funder | Mar 27 21:34 |
| schestowitz | But we do need population control | Mar 27 21:34 |
| schestowitz | For survival | Mar 27 21:34 |
| _goblin | In the UK things are different.....in government organisations even membership of the free masons has to be declared (and its certainly not encouraged) | Mar 27 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | But they try to set DNA rules | Mar 27 21:34 |
| schestowitz | I.e. which genes carry on | Mar 27 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Needless to say, it's favourable to Caucasians | Mar 27 21:34 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: but isn't population control a removal of a basic human right to reproduce? | Mar 27 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Russian population already shrinks | Mar 27 21:35 |
| schestowitz | West Europe too, except a few | Mar 27 21:35 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: you can't remove that then complain when its percieved that other human rights are removed. | Mar 27 21:35 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: it's not about human rights | Mar 27 21:35 |
| schestowitz | That's the pojtn | Mar 27 21:36 |
| _goblin | no? | Mar 27 21:36 |
| schestowitz | *point | Mar 27 21:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Take Google for example. Its mostly a good company, but not perfect. The people at the top seem to have moral ethical concerns, not that they do everything right. | Mar 27 21:36 |
| schestowitz | it's about Grand Plan | Mar 27 21:36 |
| _goblin | I would have thought the freedom to reproduce freely (rightly or wrongly) is the most fundamental human right we have | Mar 27 21:36 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to bring up notions like 1920s Eugenics | Mar 27 21:36 |
| schestowitz | But in a way it can be similar, depending on how it's implementd | Mar 27 21:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And corporations, are controled by stockholders, which are mostly controlled by the billionares | Mar 27 21:37 |
| schestowitz | we improved drugs (longevity), not nutrition | Mar 27 21:37 |
| _goblin | implemented? what a population control? | Mar 27 21:37 |
| schestowitz | At this pace, in 20 years there'll be 9 billion of us | Mar 27 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Very few fish left by then, many extinxct species | Mar 27 21:37 |
| _goblin | then we adapt or we don't survive.... | Mar 27 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | _goblin: we'll survive | Mar 27 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Not forever | Mar 27 21:38 |
| _goblin | if we justify the removal of a basic human function then anything can be justified. | Mar 27 21:38 |
| schestowitz | No species lasts forever | Mar 27 21:38 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: so far. | Mar 27 21:38 |
| schestowitz | We need to expand | Mar 27 21:38 |
| _goblin | theres never been a species like mankind | Mar 27 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Hawkins says so too | Mar 27 21:38 |
| _goblin | that we know of. | Mar 27 21:38 |
| schestowitz | ANd he DOES have political views | Mar 27 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Mankind is not special | Mar 27 21:39 |
| _goblin | why not? | Mar 27 21:39 |
| schestowitz | It only harms its planet | Mar 27 21:39 |
| schestowitz | We are biased | Mar 27 21:39 |
| _goblin | possible.... | Mar 27 21:39 |
| schestowitz | We see it as special because it's us | Mar 27 21:39 |
| schestowitz | That's why we think God looks like us and other such malarkey | Mar 27 21:39 |
| _goblin | but then conversley we could be the first ones with the responsibility to populate the universe. | Mar 27 21:39 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: hard | Mar 27 21:40 |
| _goblin | at the moment. | Mar 27 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Universe made randomly | Mar 27 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Man made to fit planet Earth | Mar 27 21:40 |
| schestowitz | In only one period of time | Mar 27 21:40 |
| _goblin | and randomly (if you will) its created us. | Mar 27 21:40 |
| schestowitz | No | Mar 27 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Probabilistic | Mar 27 21:40 |
| schestowitz | I tried to explain it to a friend | Mar 27 21:40 |
| schestowitz | People have this notions like "purpose" and "Creation" | Mar 27 21:40 |
| _goblin | a course of events (whatever they were) led to our existance now. | Mar 27 21:40 |
| schestowitz | These are notions like "faith" | Mar 27 21:41 |
| schestowitz | We have no purpose | Mar 27 21:41 |
| _goblin | Im trying not to bring in faith | Mar 27 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Means of reproduction made all species what they are | Mar 27 21:41 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: if you look at the Universe like the human body.....there is. | Mar 27 21:41 |
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| _goblin | survive | Mar 27 21:41 |
| _goblin | reproduce....improve. | Mar 27 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Universe is not an organism | Mar 27 21:41 |
| _goblin | that we think we understand. | Mar 27 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Nietzsche said this too | Mar 27 21:42 |
| schestowitz | We are build to find patterns | Mar 27 21:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just had a call from Mum.She was busily cropping photos in Picasa and one of them "went black".She's offline so I will have to pop round. | Mar 27 21:42 | |
| schestowitz | Even where there are none | Mar 27 21:42 |
| _goblin | it wasn't so long ago that humans believed the world was flat. | Mar 27 21:42 |
| _goblin | it would be arrogant to suggest we know all the answers now. | Mar 27 21:42 |
| schestowitz | They knew | Mar 27 21:42 |
| schestowitz | String theory is one of the 'best' we have | Mar 27 21:43 |
| schestowitz | And it failed for decades to prove itself | Mar 27 21:43 |
| _goblin | just like if you went back 1000 years and showed someone a TV, you would have been seen as a magician | Mar 27 21:43 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure there's a ton of stuff we don't understand still | Mar 27 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Sure | Mar 27 21:43 |
| schestowitz | But there is stuff we can rule out | Mar 27 21:43 |
| _goblin | of course...and I think thats what makes the human condition unique...our desire to answer everything. | Mar 27 21:43 |
| schestowitz | The unobservable for starters | Mar 27 21:43 |
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| cubezzz | that's interesting, except I find a lot of people don't try to answer everything :) | Mar 27 21:44 |
| schestowitz | The worst one can do is lean on random text written by primitive humans ages aog | Mar 27 21:44 |
| cubezzz | some do | Mar 27 21:44 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: no | Mar 27 21:44 |
| schestowitz | It's not the desire | Mar 27 21:44 |
| schestowitz | It's our ability to communicate | Mar 27 21:44 |
| schestowitz | THus to pass on knowledge | Mar 27 21:45 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: really? - so why then do people spend their lives trying to solve the mysteries? | Mar 27 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Other animals can hardly do that | Mar 27 21:45 |
| cubezzz | the really big thing I think is writing | Mar 27 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Whales maybe | Mar 27 21:45 |
| schestowitz | They have languages | Mar 27 21:45 |
| cubezzz | and inter-generational learning | Mar 27 21:45 |
| cubezzz | printing press and now internet | Mar 27 21:45 |
| schestowitz | People who are born today are not much smarter than ancient Egyptians | Mar 27 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Just a tad taller | Mar 27 21:46 |
| _goblin | If you look at the pyramids I'd say they are not smarter at all. | Mar 27 21:46 |
| _goblin | who today would be able to build one? | Mar 27 21:46 |
| cubezzz | when they're born yeah :) | Mar 27 21:46 |
| cubezzz | later on we get smarter | Mar 27 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Our species if 150,000 years old | Mar 27 21:46 |
| schestowitz | About 150x40 generations | Mar 27 21:46 |
| schestowitz | That's nothing | Mar 27 21:47 |
| *WireWulf is now known as WireWulf-away | Mar 27 21:47 | |
| schestowitz | Just a second of the day in evolutionary clock | Mar 27 21:47 |
| _goblin | but then time is man made anyway.... | Mar 27 21:47 |
| schestowitz | No | Mar 27 21:47 |
| schestowitz | But time is relative | Mar 27 21:47 |
| cubezzz | I could build a pyramid, but why would I? :) | Mar 27 21:47 |
| schestowitz | It can be absolute based on cycles | Mar 27 21:48 |
| cubezzz | not really very productive | Mar 27 21:48 |
| _goblin | our measurement of it is. | Mar 27 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Like Earth going around the Sun | Mar 27 21:48 |
| schestowitz | We base time on planetary motion alone | Mar 27 21:48 |
| cubezzz | Star Trek had stardates | Mar 27 21:48 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: you could, but it's a brute force thing | Mar 27 21:48 |
| _goblin | captains log. | Mar 27 21:48 |
| cubezzz | not really explained very well though :) | Mar 27 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Nothing magical about pyramid, except mass slavery | Mar 27 21:48 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: I'd disagree.... | Mar 27 21:49 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: but I won't go there. | Mar 27 21:49 |
| schestowitz | The geometry is not amazing | Mar 27 21:49 |
| cubezzz | the have one redeeming feature.... longevity | Mar 27 21:49 |
| schestowitz | I saw many documentaries about it | Mar 27 21:49 |
| cubezzz | you make something that lasts thousands of years ftw | Mar 27 21:49 |
| schestowitz | In Giza they were already smart enough to measure Earth's size | Mar 27 21:49 |
| _goblin | I'd ask you though.....we draw on nature for our inspiration for invention.....where did the pyramid inspiration come from? | Mar 27 21:49 |
| schestowitz | And assume it was spherical | Mar 27 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Before knowledge got buries | Mar 27 21:50 |
| schestowitz | *ried | Mar 27 21:50 |
| cubezzz | it's an oblate spheroid :) | Mar 27 21:50 |
| cubezzz | sorry for the pendantry :) | Mar 27 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Gallileo didn't discover that the world was round | Mar 27 21:50 |
| schestowitz | He rediscovered it | Mar 27 21:50 |
| _goblin | and how did people light the lower basements of the pyramid when a torch wont burn? | Mar 27 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Same with atomic theory | Mar 27 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Huge gap created by religious dogma | Mar 27 21:50 |
| _goblin | which could be based on real facts... | Mar 27 21:51 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: many rumours around pyramids | Mar 27 21:51 |
| cubezzz | ok, is it time to talk about UFOs now? :) | Mar 27 21:51 |
| schestowitz | A French reseacher recently dubunked some | Mar 27 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Like how they build it | Mar 27 21:51 |
| _goblin | no not UFO's or aliens | Mar 27 21:52 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yeah :-) | Mar 27 21:52 |
| schestowitz | That's the disinformation | Mar 27 21:52 |
| schestowitz | It makes good films | Mar 27 21:52 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, find the video on Phil Schneider | Mar 27 21:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Out and about in the big blue room. | Mar 27 21:52 | |
| _goblin | but I think man achieved an advanced technical position many thousands of years ago, then for one reason of another ended up reverting back and starting again. | Mar 27 21:52 |
| cubezzz | it's really strange stuff | Mar 27 21:52 |
| MinceR | 223947 < _goblin> and how did people light the lower basements of the pyramid when a torch wont burn? | Mar 27 21:52 |
| schestowitz | My uncle had me hooked on a new show: http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.php | Mar 27 21:52 |
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| _goblin | Bagdad battery. | Mar 27 21:53 |
| MinceR | they could have made them when the upper levels weren't built yet | Mar 27 21:53 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure we lost a lot of old tech | Mar 27 21:53 |
| cubezzz | we are even losing newish tech | Mar 27 21:53 |
| MinceR | or they could have used mirrors | Mar 27 21:53 |
| _goblin | it explains the drawings on the walls. | Mar 27 21:53 |
| cubezzz | we are losing non x86 cpus | Mar 27 21:53 |
| _goblin | and could even explain the ark. | Mar 27 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Ark??????// | Mar 27 21:53 |
| cubezzz | hell, some folks don't even know non-windows systems | Mar 27 21:53 |
| cubezzz | people are really mostly followers | Mar 27 21:54 |
| cubezzz | not knowledge gathers | Mar 27 21:54 |
| _goblin | well if we put Aliens and God aside for a minute, would it be too hard to believe that the Ark was actually a Nuclear Fisson reactor abandoned from a time when mankind was technically advanced? | Mar 27 21:54 |
| cubezzz | gatherers | Mar 27 21:54 |
| cubezzz | _goblin, where are you getting that idea from? | Mar 27 21:55 |
| _goblin | its a compiled theory from many sources..... | Mar 27 21:55 |
| _goblin | its no more or less believable than thinking the Ark contained commandments from God. | Mar 27 21:55 |
| _goblin | and it still leaves scope for believers in God too. | Mar 27 21:55 |
| cubezzz | That's one I never heard before | Mar 27 21:55 |
| cubezzz | if we had old tech then lost it, how good was the tech? | Mar 27 21:56 |
| cubezzz | better or worse than now? | Mar 27 21:56 |
| _goblin | You look at the possibilty of Mars having an atmosphere at one time and its not too far fetched to think that maybe mankind burnt its bridges on Mars, came to earth and had to start again. | Mar 27 21:57 |
| cubezzz | are you suggesting we had better tech in the past than we do now? | Mar 27 21:57 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Mar 27 21:57 |
| cubezzz | so yeah you are :) | Mar 27 21:57 |
| _goblin | if I was to make a bet, I would say about 50 years of what we have today. | Mar 27 21:57 |
| cubezzz | that implies we had interplanetary travel in the past | Mar 27 21:58 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: we would have found evidence by now | Mar 27 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Like symmric structures | Mar 27 21:58 |
| schestowitz | I'm open to ideas, but want evidence | Mar 27 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Also, old civilisations before 'flood' lack evidence | Mar 27 21:58 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, if it was millions of years ago we wouldn't have any evidence | Mar 27 21:58 |
| schestowitz | We would | Mar 27 21:59 |
| cubezzz | our CDR's probably won't last 100 years | Mar 27 21:59 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: would we? Imagine a great ark carrying todays society to mars and dumping them off......we would have to start again from scratch.....lack of rule, lack of authority....it would take a few thousand years for humans to sort themselves out. | Mar 27 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Look at Earth's patterns | Mar 27 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Look at cities we find underground | Mar 27 21:59 |
| schestowitz | They are not that old | Mar 27 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Maybe 10k years old | Mar 27 21:59 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: show me evidence | Mar 27 21:59 |
| schestowitz | We could also have been carried by a giant spaghetti monster | Mar 27 22:00 |
| _goblin | and if you want "proof" of sorts look no further than drawings on the pyramids which have many striking similarities to space suits, ships and basic flight. | Mar 27 22:00 |
| _goblin | or the Myans | Mar 27 22:00 |
| schestowitz | But I haven't found something to prove it yet | Mar 27 22:00 |
| cubezzz | We Get Signal! Main screen turn on! | Mar 27 22:00 |
| cubezzz | Star Trek of the past .... | Mar 27 22:00 |
| *schestowitz is now known as t | Mar 27 22:00 | |
| cubezzz | there... explained | Mar 27 22:00 |
| _goblin | not quite star trek. | Mar 27 22:00 |
| t | _goblin: those drawings are cr*p | Mar 27 22:00 |
| t | They don't even resemble reality | Mar 27 22:01 |
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| _goblin | well i don't know about anyone else, but you've convinced me. | Mar 27 22:01 |
| *Guest38532 is now known as schestowitz | Mar 27 22:01 | |
| schestowitz | Now we have better tools for better drawings. | Mar 27 22:01 |
| _goblin | right.....so we pass them off as crap? | Mar 27 22:01 |
| cubezzz | maybe a visit | Mar 27 22:02 |
| _goblin | the bagdad battery proves that we have it wrong in relation to humans advancement. | Mar 27 22:02 |
| cubezzz | I'm open to that much :) | Mar 27 22:02 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: yes, biased | Mar 27 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Same withn print | Mar 27 22:02 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure there's life out there more advanced than us | Mar 27 22:02 |
| schestowitz | China has print before Gutenberg | Mar 27 22:02 |
| _goblin | so if a few thousand years ago people were making batteries, what else did they know of? | Mar 27 22:02 |
| schestowitz | But the world was not as connected | Mar 27 22:02 |
| cubezzz | _goblin, when did cilvilization fall? | Mar 27 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Not the same type of print, but still.... also in pottery Asia was a head | Mar 27 22:03 |
| schestowitz | *ahead | Mar 27 22:03 |
| _goblin | cubezzz: Many thousands of years ago I'd suggest....maybe the Myans were the first settlers? | Mar 27 22:03 |
| _goblin | maybe, it was decided to start again? | Mar 27 22:03 |
| schestowitz | No | Mar 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Myans were late | Mar 27 22:04 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Mar 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | We have fossils of early humans | Mar 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Well before the myans | Mar 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | And we have DNA | Mar 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Which we didn't have some decades ago | Mar 27 22:04 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: The Myans are mentioned at the begining of Battlestar Galactica so they must be the first. | Mar 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | So we can scientifically show the genetic relationship | Mar 27 22:04 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people refer to science and "theories" as known 150 years ago | Mar 27 22:04 |
| cubezzz | don't forget the triobites :) | Mar 27 22:05 |
| cubezzz | good fossil record there | Mar 27 22:05 |
| schestowitz | The funniest thing is peopke tying Darwin to physics and origin of the universe | Mar 27 22:05 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: but the "blueprint" of life might be generic for many planets and it could have been that elsewhere merely evolved first. | Mar 27 22:05 |
| schestowitz | When all he did was explain the diversity of species | Mar 27 22:05 |
| cubezzz | er, trilobites | Mar 27 22:05 |
| _goblin | wasnt that hellraiser? | Mar 27 22:05 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilobites | Mar 27 22:05 |
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| _goblin | There are some who believe that life here , began out there..... | Mar 27 22:06 |
| _goblin | cant remember the rest | Mar 27 22:06 |
| cubezzz | Trilobites are cool | Mar 27 22:06 |
| _goblin | There are those who believe that life here began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. That they may have been the architects of the great pyramids, or the lost civilizations of Lemuria or Atlantis. Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man who even now fight to survive somewhere beyond the heavens... (the theatrical v | Mar 27 22:07 |
| _goblin | ersion of the pilot ends with this phrase: "...far far away amongst the stars...") | Mar 27 22:07 |
| _goblin | got it.... | Mar 27 22:07 |
| _goblin | the original was far better than the remake. | Mar 27 22:07 |
| _goblin | A bit off topicish...but this always makes me laugh: | Mar 27 22:08 |
| _goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp2RqlAWzfk | Mar 27 22:09 |
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| _goblin | (The second part of the vid is the best) | Mar 27 22:09 |
| _goblin | and here is the original of BSG!...great stuff... | Mar 27 22:11 |
| _goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHD1uPVkyk0 | Mar 27 22:11 |
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| _goblin | Funnily enough my first PC (an Amstrad) was shaped like the Battlestar Galactica | Mar 27 22:11 |
| _goblin | http://museo8bits.com/wiki/images/5/52/Amstrad_PC2286_01.jpg | Mar 27 22:13 |
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| _goblin | Right..... | Mar 27 22:16 |
| _goblin | All this talk about tech and I forgot.....its WM weekend.......(who wants to ask what WM is?) | Mar 27 22:17 |
| _goblin | maybe nobody.... | Mar 27 22:17 |
| _goblin | I know people are reading this, you're just too proud to ask....... | Mar 27 22:18 |
| _goblin | Omar would know.... | Mar 27 22:18 |
| _goblin | The tumbleweed bounces past Goblin as people pretend not to be reading this...... | Mar 27 22:19 |
| _goblin | Wrestlemania! | Mar 27 22:19 |
| _goblin | Its going to be great. | Mar 27 22:19 |
| _goblin | stuff you all then....I'll join Lins&& and talk Windows...... ;) | Mar 27 22:20 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Mar 27 22:22 |
| _goblin | hi mate. | Mar 27 22:23 |
| _goblin | I started mentioning wrestling and everyone here seems to have disapeared! | Mar 27 22:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Really enjoying catching up with The Bubble with @RealDMItchell laughing out loud more than I usually do at comedy panel stuff. Good stuff. | Mar 27 22:26 | |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: oh | Mar 27 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: we lose an hour tonight | Mar 27 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: and it doesn't feel like Spring to me | Mar 27 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | I am cold | Mar 27 22:40 |
| *WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulf | Mar 27 22:44 | |
| _goblin | sebsebseb: you've just got me out of trouble...... | Mar 27 22:44 |
| _goblin | sebsebseb: reminding me about the clocks. | Mar 27 22:45 |
| _goblin | otherwise I would have slept in..... | Mar 27 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: oh? | Mar 27 22:47 |
| schestowitz | [22:07] <_goblin> There are those who believe that life here began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. That they may have been the architects of the great pyramids, or the lost civilizations of Lemuria or Atlantis. Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man who even now fight to survive somewhere beyond the heavens... (the | Mar 27 22:47 |
| schestowitz | theatrical v | Mar 27 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Why not becterium? | Mar 27 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Why not bacterium? | Mar 27 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Single-cell organisms | Mar 27 22:47 |
| _goblin | You do know that was a quote from Battlestar Galactica? I don't really believe that. | Mar 27 22:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Enjoying @bbcgoodnews and thinking if the #bbc get their way I wont be able to record this any more using mythtv due to their DRM :( | Mar 27 22:48 | |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 27 23:02 |
| schestowitz | SO early?? | Mar 27 23:29 |
| schestowitz | You're no fun !!! | Mar 27 23:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Playing Lightforce and Zynaps in a Spectrum emulator on my DS is a good night in for me.Still great games 20 years on.Kids these days etc. | Mar 27 23:44 | |
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