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*Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Jul 01 11:42 | |
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Jul 01 11:42 | |
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Jul 01 11:42 | |
schestowitz | Hmm... | Jul 01 15:00 |
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schestowitz | "Please allow me to introduce myself. I am a 22 year old student from | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | India. I am a self taught developer studying advanced Physics. I have | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | been contributing bits and pieces to the community when I could. Someone | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | who found some of my contributions recommended me for an internship at | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | the MS Research labs in Bangalore, India. A few friends and me go to | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | nearby colleges and advocate usage of Linux and in the previous summer, | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | I got to work at Google, where I was convinced that I should work to | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | enhance open source. I organized camps, tutorials, and even spent my | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | internship stipend in setting up an apt mirror for the locality. | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | My ideas and contributions even got me a position in the fabled Google | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | Summer of Code program, where I am contributing an extension to the | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | MonoDevelop project in my /free time/. I strongly considered staying | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | home for the summer and contributing full time." | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | "Still, in this country, the competition and the desire to go ahead in my | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | career took me to this company where I work on some interesting research | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | areas dealing with Machine translation. Since I lack a degree in | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | computer science, this opportunity was seen as nothing less than a | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | miracle. I still contribute to XMMS2 and some other projects in the | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | evenings and weekends. | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | What I am trying to tell you is that if you met me on the street, we | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | would've probably had a good chat about open source, and unfortunately | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | my affiliations to my favourite open source puts us on opposite sides of | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | a war that I dearly wish didn't exist. | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | Following the recent developments that you, more than anyone else in the | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | world today are aware of, I felt really hurt because I am part of that | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | community, not just it's supporters. I wrote a rant on my personal | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | weblog which I have been maintaining for nearly three years without any | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | strong opinions or outbursts." | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | "While our opinion may differ, I noticed that you wrote some posts on | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | your website | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/01/mono-backed-by-microsoft/ | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/29/microsoft-and-novell-for-mono-net/ | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | In that, a particular phrase "Microsoft staff may openly say "Fuck you, | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | Richard Stallman", but there are rebuttals to this disgraceful | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | behaviour. Stallman was being polite and rational." might lead people to | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | eventually believe that my stance is the same as my employers, which | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | it's not. | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | I am just a lowly intern working on a small research project somewhere | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | in the corner of India. If tomorrow this might lead someone to believe | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | that I represented the company's policy it might affect me harshly. | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | " | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | === | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | Some trouble for him, eh? | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | Suddenly the fear of what one says. | Jul 01 15:01 |
schestowitz | "I am entitled to my opinion and you are free to criticize my post and | Jul 01 15:02 |
schestowitz | correct me if necessary. I wrote it on my own time and am not even | Jul 01 15:02 |
schestowitz | associated with the real MS, this is just the research wing. You were an | Jul 01 15:02 |
schestowitz | undergraduate student too, and if you are in an environment where you're | Jul 01 15:02 |
schestowitz | competing with millions of undergraduates you do not want to have a | Jul 01 15:02 |
schestowitz | false image of yourself proliferate the internet. | Jul 01 15:02 |
schestowitz | Please do not read me out of context. I am not contributing as part of | Jul 01 15:02 |
schestowitz | my day job, I only contribute in the evenings. I have already got into | Jul 01 15:02 |
schestowitz | some issues with some people who noticed the article." | Jul 01 15:02 |
schestowitz | === | Jul 01 15:02 |
schestowitz | I reckon MS may have contacted him somehow? Maybe folks in their community.... | Jul 01 15:02 |
schestowitz | Oops. | Jul 01 15:15 |
schestowitz | Wrong person...? | Jul 01 15:15 |
schestowitz | == | Jul 01 15:15 |
schestowitz | Well the lawyer is correct, it's a huge public service to keep court information safe and available for researching and learning. You've done a great job! | Jul 01 15:15 |
schestowitz | But I do have a correction for the article about DHS and Janet Napolitano. | Jul 01 15:15 |
schestowitz | Unless I read it wrong, it looks like the headline and article are saying she is -or was- a Microsoft employee. But, unless they've hired her very recently, I don't know when she could have worked for MS, because, until she was appointed to DHS by Obama, she was our governor, here in Arizona. | Jul 01 15:15 |
schestowitz | If she has a history with Microsoft, it might be good to mention when and in what capacity she worked for them. | Jul 01 15:15 |
schestowitz | Other than that, I'm still busy reading BN and catching up on all the newest articles this morning (it's a little after 7am here)...need more coffee now. | Jul 01 15:15 |
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schestowitz | Page corrected now: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/01/janet-napolitano-on-ddos/ | Jul 01 15:23 |
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schestowitz | "Yup, that's MUCH better! Janet's not my favorite person. I'm pretty sure she'd be tickled pink to schmooze with Microsofties whenever they ask, so she'll definitely need watching. But I'm glad we caught that mistake before the trolls found it. :)" | Jul 01 20:15 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:G_3/08&diff=299300613&oldid=298440170 | Jul 01 22:57 |
schestowitz | =========== | Jul 01 22:57 |
schestowitz | + | Jul 01 22:57 |
schestowitz | == EPO forbids links? == | Jul 01 22:57 |
schestowitz | + | Jul 01 22:57 |
schestowitz | + | Jul 01 22:57 |
schestowitz | This kind of link: | Jul 01 22:57 |
schestowitz | + | Jul 01 22:57 |
schestowitz | + | Jul 01 22:57 |
schestowitz | http://documents.epo.org/projects/babylon/eponet.nsf/0/B89D95BB305AAA8DC12574EC002C7CF6/$File/G3-08_en.pdf | Jul 01 22:57 |
schestowitz | + | Jul 01 22:57 |
schestowitz | + | Jul 01 22:57 |
schestowitz | breaks. The EPO seems to want to protect this kind of document to be indexed by search engines or be referenced by bloggers. Do they understand the internet? | Jul 01 22:57 |
schestowitz | =========== | Jul 01 22:57 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:G_3/08&diff=299306491&oldid=299300613 "[zoobab] Wikipedia User GDallimore removing my comment about EPO links: http://bit.ly/t1afQ" | Jul 01 22:57 |
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trmanco | OT: http://www.copyblogger.com/blame-canada/ | Jul 01 23:27 |
schestowitz | Happy Canada Day BTW | Jul 01 23:28 |
trmanco | I guess I can say, I'm proud to be Canadian, even though I'm not currently living there | Jul 01 23:28 |
trmanco | I cannot say the same on being Portuguese though | Jul 01 23:29 |
schestowitz | http://blogs.technet.com/openchoice/archive/2009/07/01/eu-tamb-m-repudio.aspx | Jul 01 23:35 |
schestowitz | And here comes the smear campaign from the Microsoft guy, Marcos Santos (big | Jul 01 23:35 |
schestowitz | guy in Microsoft Portugal): | Jul 01 23:35 |
schestowitz | http://blogs.technet.com/openchoice/archive/2009/07/01/eu-tamb-m-repudio.aspx | Jul 01 23:35 |
schestowitz | I also reject... | Jul 01 23:35 |
schestowitz | It's been sometime since I last wrote, but I have been quite up to date | Jul 01 23:35 |
schestowitz | with current events. In fact I have read more blogs and not had so much | Jul 01 23:35 |
schestowitz | time to write in mine. I'm back because I was reading the newspaper today | Jul 01 23:35 |
schestowitz | when I noticed the following title: | Jul 01 23:35 |
schestowitz | "ANSOL rejects Microsoft's lack of scruples" | Jul 01 23:35 |
schestowitz | http://www.destak.pt/artigos.php?art=34040 | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | The what? Lack of what? I want to believe this isn't an action from ANSOL. | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | Yes, because free publicity based on some news that wish to smear the image | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | of another organization isn't something any organization wants to be | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | associated with, right? In my humble opinion, I think ANSOL should be 1st | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | page of newspapers, for their projects developped in Portugal, for the | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | contribution to national development or for the pioneer projects they carried. | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | Well, once again this situation is unfortunate, first because the accusation | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | in itself is not based upon facts, but a personal opinion. The fact some good | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | or service has a cost, does it mean that the organization selling it is an | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | entity without scruples? Evidently not... | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | On the other hand, it's important that much that it is talked about, attacked | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | for, but in reality the whole process was legal and transparent and so the | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | accusations don't have any fundament. | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | In short, nothing new, but I'm always attent... | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | Filed under: "Fighting lies", Current Events, Attacks | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | 1.«The fact some good | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | or service has a cost, does it mean that the organization selling it is an | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | entity without scruples? Evidently not...» | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | No, it's not that which is criticised. What is criticised is the huge expense | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | charged for such a crappy service. | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | Effectively, it's like stealing candy from a child. | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | 2.«In my humble opinion, I think ANSOL should be 1st | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | page of newspapers, for their projects developped in Portugal, for the | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | contribution to national development or for the pioneer projects they carried.» | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | I remember January 16th, first page of O Público, thanks to the "credibility" of | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | Microsoft and the "quality" of it's know-how, which is well reflected in Base. | Jul 01 23:36 |
schestowitz | trmanco: write about this maybe. I don't have time. It's endless | Jul 01 23:36 |
trmanco | I've seen that | Jul 01 23:37 |
trmanco | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090701175132339 | Jul 01 23:37 |
trmanco | I don't think I have enough "critic spirit" to write something good about that | Jul 01 23:38 |
trmanco | rms (pt) should write something soon about that pr troll | Jul 01 23:38 |
schestowitz | He probably will | Jul 01 23:39 |
trmanco | he is more into that stuff than I am | Jul 01 23:41 |
trmanco | heck, he is the president of ANSOL for a reason :-) | Jul 01 23:41 |
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schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5VRbY8US_g&feature=related | Jul 02 06:04 |
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MinceR | oh, it's mutex. | Jul 03 11:47 |
MinceR | too bad i've lost my op. | Jul 03 11:47 |
trmanco | :| | Jul 03 11:56 |
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MinceR | btw BobSprite is from bigpond too :> | Jul 08 13:09 |
trmanco | what is bigpond? | Jul 08 13:12 |
MinceR | the ISP mutex uses | Jul 08 13:14 |
MinceR | and so far everyone coming from there was suspected of being mutex | Jul 08 13:14 |
MinceR | (it's an australian isp, by the way) | Jul 08 13:14 |
trmanco | oh ok | Jul 08 13:17 |
trmanco | schestowitz, should be around here soon | Jul 08 13:17 |
oiaohm | Iprimus has own link out MinceR | Jul 08 13:28 |
MinceR | who or what is Iprimus? | Jul 08 13:29 |
oiaohm | ISP Iprimus | Jul 08 13:29 |
oiaohm | In australia. | Jul 08 13:29 |
oiaohm | They also are primus in the USA. | Jul 08 13:29 |
oiaohm | So even that I am in Australia sometimes I trace to a USA IP. | Jul 08 13:30 |
MinceR | oh, i see | Jul 08 13:30 |
MinceR | then you obviously don't show up as mutex, that's not an issue | Jul 08 13:30 |
MinceR | (also, you have a registered nick and a cloak) | Jul 08 13:30 |
oiaohm | Did that to save confusion. | Jul 08 13:30 |
oiaohm | With my where ever IP address. | Jul 08 13:31 |
oiaohm | They also have a another ISP in england. | Jul 08 13:31 |
oiaohm | Lot rarer to get one of those IPs. | Jul 08 13:32 |
oiaohm | Lot of ISP's in australia by space from telstra/bigpond. | Jul 08 13:36 |
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MinceR | so they even get reverse DNS that points to bigpond? | Jul 08 13:39 |
oiaohm | Yep | Jul 08 13:55 |
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MinceR | is "i'm OS-agnostic" m$-trollspeak for "i'm using windows but i act like i know gnu/linux"? | Jul 09 14:34 |
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schestowitz | <anon> Alexander Schmehl is missinformed | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> I can assure you D-I pulls the gnome meta-package in *by default* | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> there's a checkbox | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> which is checked in by default | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> user can uncheck it | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> but that's it | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> I found a very interesting quote in this old pro-Mono article (http://www.osnews.com/story/5746/Commentary_The_Upcoming_GNOME_Monarchy_of_Mono) | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> "In my conversations with Sun executives the last few months they kept re-assuring me that no C# will ever enter their JDS or Solaris default installations." | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> I spoke with Alexander | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> he just got the wrong info. he said he'll correct it | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> http://robertmh.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/what-does-rand-mean/ | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> btw, RMS gave a talk at GUADEC today | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/node/239 | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> I can't find the content, but I guess he talked about .NET | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> wow Roy, you gotta see this one | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> http://np237.livejournal.com/24790.html | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> you and I are now "toxic", along with Varghese | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | <anon> and he got a response already: http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/06/livejournal-debian-fail/ | Jul 10 00:51 |
schestowitz | Mono was the big news... | Jul 10 00:52 |
schestowitz | And mig21 (Miguel) got excited by his colleagues at Microsoft | Jul 10 00:52 |
schestowitz | Someone mailed me this rubbish. boycottnovell.com" is worth $202,472 USD http://www.valuatemysite.com/www.boycottnovell.com | Jul 10 01:16 |
schestowitz | Sites put up big number for people to link to some stupid "what's my site worth" | Jul 10 01:16 |
schestowitz | There are even fake numbers and fake trade in some sites like Facebook | Jul 10 01:17 |
schestowitz | Virtual money | Jul 10 01:17 |
schestowitz | Although I have been on a break for a week, I did follow the Mono development. | Jul 10 01:17 |
schestowitz | My mail client messed up totally though, so I can't catch up properly | Jul 10 01:17 |
schestowitz | We need to find the LSE videos... | Jul 10 01:20 |
schestowitz | ">> Remember that video link I sent you about the man waxing lyrical about | Jul 10 01:20 |
schestowitz | > dotNET and the LSE. Do you still have it? Do I still have it ? | Jul 10 01:20 |
schestowitz | > | Jul 10 01:20 |
schestowitz | > It was on the MS site only in WMP format ??? | Jul 10 01:20 |
schestowitz | > | Jul 10 01:20 |
schestowitz | > Someone at the LSE bet his career on the move .. :O | Jul 10 01:20 |
schestowitz | Bam! First thing I thought: Doug d/led this thing! Yes? No? " | Jul 10 01:20 |
schestowitz | We could add captions to ridicule that disaster deployment | Jul 10 01:21 |
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schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9rGhUFJhWY&feature=related | Jul 10 05:51 |
fewa | schestowitz, yeah i saw it before | Jul 10 06:00 |
schestowitz | Oh, cool. New to me | Jul 10 06:01 |
schestowitz | part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHmQZwP-cBQ&feature=related | Jul 10 06:01 |
fewa | some time after i watched Bill Maher's Religulous | Jul 10 06:02 |
schestowitz | Is he...? | Jul 10 06:10 |
fewa | its sort of a a satire of religion | Jul 10 06:11 |
schestowitz | Ah, OK! | Jul 10 06:14 |
fewa | have you not watched he show before? | Jul 10 06:15 |
fewa | Its sort of a interview/chat style show on HBO | Jul 10 06:15 |
fewa | Real Time with Bill Maher | Jul 10 06:16 |
schestowitz | I know the show, not this part though | Jul 10 06:17 |
schestowitz | Here is a favourite from him: http://vodpod.com/watch/38271-the-secret-government-the-constitution-in-crisis-by-bill-moyers-google-video | Jul 10 06:17 |
schestowitz | Oh wait | Jul 10 06:18 |
fewa | It was a movie, not part of the show | Jul 10 06:18 |
schestowitz | Not the same dude | Jul 10 06:18 |
schestowitz | But Maher's show I watcj sometimes | Jul 10 06:18 |
fewa | and that is someone else | Jul 10 06:18 |
schestowitz | Democrat | Jul 10 06:18 |
fewa | Liberal | Jul 10 06:18 |
fewa | calls out the Democrats on being excessively weak and centrist | Jul 10 06:19 |
fewa | http://www.hbo.com/billmaher/new_rules/index.html | Jul 10 06:22 |
schestowitz | I've only seen him on YouTube like 10 times | Jul 10 06:23 |
schestowitz | No Yank TV here... | Jul 10 06:23 |
fewa | yeah | Jul 10 06:23 |
MinceR | schestowitz: yes, i've lost my op -- my ISP disconnects me once per week to make sure my ip address changes, which happens to be on fridays | Jul 10 06:54 |
MinceR | i knew this and i should have thought of it. | Jul 10 06:54 |
schestowitz | They didn't last forever | Jul 10 06:55 |
MinceR | (it might move around but the last time i've lost connection for another reason was on friday, so since then it does the weekly disconnect on fridays) | Jul 10 06:55 |
schestowitz | It could be worse | Jul 10 06:55 |
MinceR | it could -- i remember seeing adsl that disconnected daily | Jul 10 06:57 |
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MinceR | it's friday :> | Jul 10 09:03 |
schestowitz | Last day at work. | Jul 10 09:28 |
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schestowitz | "Christopher Hoff earlier this week arrived at the Stratford clinic stark bollock naked, provoking a fit of the screaming abdabs in the female receptionist. He then legged it, later to be confronted by police at his house." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/10/dental_appointment/ | Jul 10 15:45 |
schestowitz | Detainees Were Also Murdered at Bagram in Afghanistan < http://www.truthout.org/062509A > | Jul 10 16:29 |
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schestowitz | Darn | Jul 11 16:53 |
schestowitz | "The px07378 pdf isn't the one I thought it would be. It's the one with all the complex graphs and such. Much of it is unreadable as-is. So, I'm going to get some help with this one. I'm pretty good at deciphering these kinds of badly scanned images of badly photocopied documents, but it will take some time to do it. I'll see how much of it I can get done over the weekend. I have a friend that might help out if they do | Jul 11 16:53 |
schestowitz | n't already have other plans. | Jul 11 16:53 |
schestowitz | It would be great if we could get this whole thing into a clean and readable state. | Jul 11 16:53 |
schestowitz | I'll do the easy text first, so you'll have that part at least. | Jul 11 16:53 |
schestowitz | Then I'll see if I can't get you some clean images of the graphics inside the pdf. " | Jul 11 16:53 |
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trmanco | why are some gnomos harassing RMS? I really don't get it | Jul 12 16:10 |
schestowitz | "Lefty" started a flamewar | Jul 12 16:17 |
schestowitz | Like he did against me | Jul 12 16:17 |
schestowitz | he hates RMS and all that stuff | Jul 12 16:17 |
schestowitz | So now they go against FSF/GNU/SFLC | Jul 12 16:17 |
schestowitz | They should rename to NOME | Jul 12 16:17 |
schestowitz | Or NOMO | Jul 12 16:17 |
trmanco | they should burry themselves and let real people "manage" gnome | Jul 12 16:26 |
schestowitz | Too late | Jul 12 16:35 |
schestowitz | De Icaza was there | Jul 12 16:35 |
schestowitz | bbl | Jul 12 16:35 |
trmanco | does anybody here use MUC? | Jul 12 21:01 |
trmanco | * DCC RECV aw.dll to MasterBot aborted. | Jul 12 21:07 |
trmanco | * DCC RECV blnmgr.dll to MasterBot aborted. | Jul 12 21:07 |
trmanco | * DCC RECV blnmgrps.dll to MasterBot aborted. | Jul 12 21:07 |
trmanco | not again | Jul 12 21:07 |
trmanco | stupid spam bots | Jul 12 21:08 |
schestowitz | MasterBate or MasterBot? | Jul 12 21:09 |
trmanco | both :-P | Jul 12 21:11 |
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 12 23:59:24 2009 | ||
*Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Jul 12 23:59 | |
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Jul 12 23:59 | |
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Jul 12 23:59 | |
schestowitz | > I am getting ready to send you px07378 as text...plus a few images. | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > You probably won't want to post the cleaned-up PowerPoint images | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > publically. I have an old family friend that's an attorney, we had a | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > visit yesterday. I take care of his computers for him (yes, they run | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > Windows...sigh), and often discuss moving him away from Windows some day | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > (soon, I hope). He found our Comes v. Microsoft project quite | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > interesting...and now he's reading the exhibits himself :) | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > Anyway, he *did* think that my attempt to replicate those powerpoint | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > images *might* be taken as copying copyrighted materials. So, I added a | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > disclaimer to the bottom of each of them. | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > I considered not sending them at all. You had indicated that most of | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > the powerpoint stuff was just junk. But I found them to be quite | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > informative, as far as understanding how MS saw their future and what | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > they were most afraid of. So, since I've already got four of them | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > finished, I'm going to go ahead and send them to you, accompanied by the | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > text versions. Even if you don't use them on BN, they still might come | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > in handy for something. | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > I know you asked me not to put page breaks into the text versions, but | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > on this exhibit I *did* add markers showing where the images are placed | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > in the original. I made the markers bold and red so you can find them | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > easily if you need to delete them, or place the image text there. | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > I didn't put all the text versions of the images into the main body of | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > the px07378 text, I figured you could add them in if you wanted them. | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > I'll send them separately. | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > I'm sorry if I did this one all wrong. I worried that I was just making | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > more work for you. But I honestly did my best with it. I hope it's | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > helpful. | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | > The emails will be heading your way very shortly. | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | Thanks, this is brilliant. I'd need to post this properly because we have one go. It ought to take a few hours. | Jul 13 00:12 |
schestowitz | QUOTE: I've been keeping a low profile but I've been following the latest of the "Lefty" (aka Dafty) saga. Now that Dafty is threatening to sue, I've read some of the threads in the Ubuntu development mailing lists. I've also seen the latest IRC log where "twitter" expresses his opinions. | Jul 13 06:35 |
schestowitz | QUOTE: My opinion of "Mark Fink" has not changed at all. I believe that he was actually working against you by doing such a poor job of advocacy and constantly linking to your site. On the other hand, I disagree with "twitter" and find that, while Dafty often responded in an abrasive manner, he was at least accurate in what he said (including the quoted article on the GPL.) | Jul 13 06:35 |
schestowitz | QUOTE: I also disagree with twitter's speculation that Dafty is somehow working for Microsoft. I may question his free software credentials, but I wouldn't go so far as "twitter" did. Where Dafty has gone wrong was in making the false association between "Fink" and yourself. | Jul 13 06:35 |
schestowitz | QUOTE: I'm honestly of two minds about Dafty. The part of me that gives him the derisive nickname says that he really doesn't know much at all about evidence and proof if he honestly believes that the e-mail he quotes from "Mark Fink" is proof of anything more than that you vaguely approve of something that "Fink" has done. | Jul 13 06:35 |
schestowitz | QUOTE: It does not at all prove that you "put Fink up to it", as Dafty contends. I am also very curious that he is so quick to let "Fink" off the hook and go after you on this flimsy bit of evidence. Perhaps, since he claims to know Jeff Waugh, he sees himself as putting on the Superman cape and "doing him justice." | Jul 13 06:35 |
schestowitz | QUOTE: The other part of me thinks that, while Dafty is abrasive and aggressive (i.e. the stereotypical "type A" American personality), he is also intelligent and expresses himself well. | Jul 13 06:35 |
schestowitz | QUOTE: What makes me dislike him and distrust him is that he has a smug air of superiority and, despite his protestations of being very familiar with legal matters, he really does not seem to understand that his alleged proof of your complicity is nothing of | Jul 13 06:35 |
schestowitz | of the sort. In short, he stikes me as a hypocrite. | Jul 13 06:35 |
schestowitz | QUOTE: Here's hoping that this dispute will not become a legal matter. After all, it's one thing to "have a hobby" and another thing to push a legal case. For example, see this article: | Jul 13 06:35 |
schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/696289.stm | Jul 13 06:35 |
schestowitz | QUOTE: where someone spends 3 years in British courts prosecuting a libel case. | Jul 13 06:35 |
schestowitz | I think someone is DDOSing BN | Jul 13 10:25 |
trmanco | again? | Jul 13 10:33 |
schestowitz | Not sure | Jul 13 10:54 |
schestowitz | LT FP too | Jul 13 10:54 |
schestowitz | These antitrust exhibits are great: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/13/microsoft-linux-fud-presentation/ The lady who helps with them has more coming :-) | Jul 13 10:55 |
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schestowitz | All done :-) "Ms. MARKOVA has asked me to mail these as proof regarding case 1719/2009/MAM. Please reply to confirm receipt." | Jul 13 12:21 |
schestowitz | The Commission is gonna get a lot of trouble. | Jul 13 12:21 |
schestowitz | :-p | Jul 13 12:21 |
schestowitz | "I'm glad to hear that you talked with Schlesinger and have apparently worked it out amongst yourselves. The only thing I have to add is that, if he chose to go after you in court, you could have counter-sued him for defaming you with the false statement that "you are responcible for Mark Fink's tirades and other anti-social actions." Once again, I'm glad it won't come to that. If there is one lesson to learn from, for ex | Jul 13 13:07 |
schestowitz | ample, the SCO Group, it is that lawsuits can be long drawn out nightmares even if you are well enough funded to defend yourself." | Jul 13 13:07 |
trmanco | maybe they would love to be mass hacked some time | Jul 13 13:15 |
trmanco | :-P | Jul 13 13:15 |
trmanco | maybe bbc can lend me there botnet | Jul 13 13:17 |
schestowitz | Heh. The BBC is immune to criticism | Jul 13 13:19 |
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trmanco | who is nastymicrosoft from digg | Jul 13 15:45 |
trmanco | ? | Jul 13 15:45 |
trmanco | It might be astralknight | Jul 13 15:45 |
schestowitz | The trolls say so | Jul 13 15:47 |
schestowitz | I don't speak to it. Crazed one... | Jul 13 15:47 |
trmanco | it? who? | Jul 13 15:48 |
schestowitz | All kinds of names of there | Jul 13 15:48 |
schestowitz | That komrad person from FSDaily seems calm | Jul 13 15:49 |
schestowitz | But I have no idea who those people are | Jul 13 15:49 |
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schestowitz | Nice explanation of 4D: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KT4M7kiSw&NR=1 | Jul 14 00:07 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7jqlKuFf84&NR=1 | Jul 14 00:24 |
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schestowitz | load average: 30.88, 20.74, 11.08 | Jul 14 12:27 |
schestowitz | DDOS almost for sure | Jul 14 12:27 |
schestowitz | There was one earlier too | Jul 14 12:27 |
trmanco | are you sure it's a ddos? | Jul 14 12:30 |
trmanco | or just a large spike in traffic? :-P | Jul 14 12:30 |
trmanco | maybe some other account sending mass emails? :-P | Jul 14 12:31 |
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schestowitz | There is no other account | Jul 14 12:44 |
schestowitz | It's too slow for me to access logs | Jul 14 12:45 |
trmanco | oh ok | Jul 14 12:47 |
schestowitz | I've rerun iptables | Jul 14 13:05 |
schestowitz | Wait. | Jul 14 13:11 |
schestowitz | maybe it is not DDOS | Jul 14 13:12 |
schestowitz | Not sure yet | Jul 14 13:12 |
schestowitz | We get huge number of reqs for http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/13/microsoft-linux-fud-presentation/ | Jul 14 13:12 |
schestowitz | Like one every second! | Jul 14 13:12 |
schestowitz | Maybe Digg or something.. | Jul 14 13:12 |
trmanco | :-p | Jul 14 13:15 |
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schestowitz | ZanranCrawler/0.2 (helpdesk@zanran.com) | Jul 14 13:16 |
schestowitz | What is this? | Jul 14 13:16 |
schestowitz | load average: 2.82, 11.53, 16.12 | Jul 14 13:17 |
trmanco | LOL | Jul 14 13:19 |
trmanco | C# bot | Jul 14 13:19 |
trmanco | ZanRan Ltd | Jul 14 13:20 |
trmanco | (Information Technology and Services industry) | Jul 14 13:20 |
trmanco | December 2006 — January 2008 (1 year 2 months) | Jul 14 13:20 |
trmanco | Developing a Web Crawler in C#, using the HTTP classes in .NET. The crawler was: | Jul 14 13:20 |
trmanco | http://www.webmasterworld.com/search_engine_spiders/3937863.htm | Jul 14 13:21 |
trmanco | something to do with amazon's cloud :-P | Jul 14 13:21 |
schestowitz | Bastard | Jul 14 13:37 |
schestowitz | Hammered on the server | Jul 14 13:37 |
schestowitz | Good riddance | Jul 14 13:37 |
schestowitz | load average: 23.05, 11.32, 6.57 | Jul 14 14:15 |
schestowitz | Again.. | Jul 14 14:15 |
trmanco | I just wrote an article on how the ubuntu filesystem smacks windows xp em 7 in the ass :-P | Jul 14 20:00 |
trmanco | I wrote it yesterday | Jul 14 20:00 |
schestowitz | English? | Jul 14 20:10 |
trmanco | nop | Jul 14 20:13 |
schestowitz | I'm SO behind today | Jul 14 20:32 |
schestowitz | Too many comments and posts | Jul 14 20:32 |
schestowitz | I hope to catch up by August | Jul 14 20:32 |
schestowitz | Then Comes | Jul 14 20:32 |
trmanco | august | Jul 14 20:34 |
trmanco | wow | Jul 14 20:34 |
schestowitz | Comes heaps | Jul 14 20:37 |
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Chips_B_Malroy_ | Hi Roy everyone | Jul 15 00:18 |
schestowitz | Yo! | Jul 15 00:21 |
schestowitz | DDOS was likely occurring today | Jul 15 00:22 |
schestowitz | I have not found other explanations | Jul 15 00:22 |
schestowitz | But load on the server was very high | Jul 15 00:22 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | yes, you already know who I think that was from the txt file I sent long ago | Jul 15 00:25 |
schestowitz | You know he's in #bn | Jul 15 00:25 |
schestowitz | Right? | Jul 15 00:25 |
schestowitz | I don't want to annoy him | Jul 15 00:25 |
schestowitz | He's crazy | Jul 15 00:25 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | YES | Jul 15 00:25 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | YES | Jul 15 00:25 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | more than u think too | Jul 15 00:26 |
schestowitz | Zealot/racist/etc | Jul 15 00:26 |
schestowitz | Sometimes uses bad words in IRC | Jul 15 00:26 |
schestowitz | But kickbanning him would be trouble | Jul 15 00:26 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | he might also have been shot in the arm outside an convence store in New England | Jul 15 00:26 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | and know you have your reasons to not ban him yet | Jul 15 00:26 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | which are not for me to know, or want to know | Jul 15 00:27 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | but he is here to damage | Jul 15 00:27 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | I ignore him, and will not respond directly to him | Jul 15 00:28 |
schestowitz | I know | Jul 15 00:30 |
schestowitz | He has agenda | Jul 15 00:30 |
schestowitz | And the other trolls use his bair | Jul 15 00:30 |
schestowitz | 2 hours ago a Microsoft troll said I don't say what language I prefer | Jul 15 00:30 |
schestowitz | Who asked it? The troll in question | Jul 15 00:30 |
schestowitz | They cooperate, I reckon | Jul 15 00:31 |
schestowitz | Make friends,attack Mono, then pretext | Jul 15 00:31 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | they seem to be in clusion for sure | Jul 15 00:38 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | you take your pick, MS, mono coders, Novel shills, linuxsux (most likely they are MS trolls) | Jul 15 00:39 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | The Debain guy I might give some slack to. Depending, as I have not heard him yet | Jul 15 00:40 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | its simple, MS has the most, the most shills period | Jul 15 00:40 |
schestowitz | I know. | Jul 15 00:42 |
schestowitz | Groklaw taught how to handle them | Jul 15 00:42 |
schestowitz | and balzac, doug others too | Jul 15 00:42 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | if you would like me to, I would talk with the ddos guy | Jul 15 00:42 |
schestowitz | I made a mistake by replying to/messaging obvious trolls like "fink" | Jul 15 00:43 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | ask him why he slanders this site | Jul 15 00:43 |
schestowitz | They trapped to cause trouble | Jul 15 00:43 |
schestowitz | I could set a ban while he's away | Jul 15 00:44 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | we all have made that mistake. They pretend to be something else to trap you. Then they quote you out of context or twist your words, or even outright lie | Jul 15 00:44 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | expect more ddos when u do, is the most probably outcome | Jul 15 00:44 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | do it when u have the least amount of traffic and the less news | Jul 15 00:45 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | after a few more warnings about bad language, haha | Jul 15 00:45 |
schestowitz | I see you changed the debate | Jul 15 00:48 |
schestowitz | From Microsoft shill spinning | Jul 15 00:48 |
schestowitz | To demise of Microsoft | Jul 15 00:48 |
schestowitz | Good move | Jul 15 00:48 |
schestowitz | That's why I blocked comments | Jul 15 00:48 |
schestowitz | They changed topic | Jul 15 00:49 |
schestowitz | To difuse | Jul 15 00:49 |
schestowitz | *ff | Jul 15 00:49 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | Gerad was right of course, they were spamming the post and would rather have us talk about their shillness, than the fact that bling is a failure | Jul 15 00:50 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | I rubbed it in enough about the shill's lack of ethics, in order to humilate MS some | Jul 15 00:51 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | As a poster in the comments, I can say things that you could not and get away with them. Like I did in MS Watch. I never use bad language, and try to back up facts as well | Jul 15 00:52 |
schestowitz | Yes | Jul 15 00:55 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | Wilcox is a real slimball, but I would never say that in public or your other IRC channel | Jul 15 00:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | *slimeball, if I could only spell | Jul 15 00:56 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | shills only attack, they cannot defend | Jul 15 00:57 |
schestowitz | What did he do? | Jul 15 00:58 |
schestowitz | Goblin told me | Jul 15 00:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | Joe Wilcox defends Andre Da Costa as a Windows fan, only | Jul 15 00:58 |
schestowitz | When did he turn nasty? | Jul 15 00:58 |
schestowitz | Perosnal blog? | Jul 15 00:58 |
schestowitz | I see... | Jul 15 00:58 |
schestowitz | Wilcox has Microsoftr agenda | Jul 15 00:58 |
schestowitz | Throughout his career | Jul 15 00:58 |
schestowitz | CNET, Jupiter, etc. | Jul 15 00:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | on his site, I sent the email to Goblin | Jul 15 00:58 |
schestowitz | Ziff Davis gave him the sack | Jul 15 00:58 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | I was happy they did too | Jul 15 00:59 |
schestowitz | Aye | Jul 15 00:59 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | but cannot say that in public | Jul 15 00:59 |
schestowitz | Same with Seattle P-I | Jul 15 00:59 |
schestowitz | And others | Jul 15 00:59 |
schestowitz | Microsoft loses press grip | Jul 15 00:59 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | yes | Jul 15 00:59 |
schestowitz | Along with the empire | Jul 15 00:59 |
schestowitz | No income, no fans with schwag | Jul 15 00:59 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | dell and ms running their blog now, and nobody is commenting there | Jul 15 01:00 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | www.joewilcox.com is his site. I have not, and will not post there, ever | Jul 15 01:00 |
schestowitz | Ever | Jul 15 01:00 |
schestowitz | I never comment in blogs now | Jul 15 01:00 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | not going post on his site, made that promise to myself. My flames, which are truth, only increase his readership. But maybe, I am too generous to myself. | Jul 15 01:01 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | Billybob still posts there | Jul 15 01:02 |
schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/165179/boycott_novell_site_suffers_ddos_attack.html | Jul 15 01:03 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/comment-in-other-web-sites/ | Jul 15 01:03 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | I will post it here in this site, as I would not want it over there, it reveals myself for one thing | Jul 15 01:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | http://www.mepislovers.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22074 | Jul 15 01:17 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | they good people on this distro's forum, so I found it surprizing that some thought Chome OS would hurt Linux | Jul 15 01:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | and corrected that | Jul 15 01:18 |
Chips_B_Malroy_ | I don't need M$ spamming my email or anything | Jul 15 01:18 |
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schestowitz | "Based on Dafty's latest tirades and authoritative sounding statements that Mono is safe to use, I became curious as to whether he is a lawyer. A search on the State Bar of California's Web site shows that there is only a "David Schlesinger" licenced to practice in San Diego. I doubt that he is the same as the one who trolls your Web site, since I understand he lives quite a bit farther to the north (more than 500 kilometr | Jul 15 08:24 |
schestowitz | es.) I think, like usual, he is blowing hot air although sometimes, in rare intervals between puffs, he has a somewhat of a point." | Jul 15 08:24 |
schestowitz | Some curious reader. Why do they bother...? | Jul 15 08:28 |
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schestowitz | We lost no-one | Jul 15 13:03 |
schestowitz | the #wordpress channel had a slipt | Jul 15 13:03 |
schestowitz | *split | Jul 15 13:03 |
trmanco | yeah | Jul 15 13:06 |
trmanco | who is jeff relf? | Jul 15 13:37 |
schestowitz | Troll | Jul 15 14:18 |
schestowitz | Old one | Jul 15 14:18 |
schestowitz | Don't touch it | Jul 15 14:18 |
schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | > | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | > Here's an example: | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | > | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | > http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/15/mono-moonlight-novell-intersection/ | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | > | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | > See how lefty and eet attack? In each and every reply you make, you | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | > could have had a relevant link. For example in the last one to lefty | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | > saying he doesn't like the GPL, a link to a recent article prasing GPLv3 | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | > could have been used. | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | > | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | > You have tons of *good* links. Be selective about which ones you use, | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | > but do use them. I suggest posting no more than one link per rebuttal | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | > but never any rebuttals without a supporting link. | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | What do you think? | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | I'd rather ignore them. | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | I'm wasting time replying to trolls | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | They can't be filtered out of my view | Jul 15 14:24 |
schestowitz | "I couldn't find a place to comment on http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/14/paid-microsoft-astroturfer-wong/ " | Jul 15 14:25 |
schestowitz | "I notice that you forgot to mention Wolfram Alpha and mentioned instead Bling, or whatever MS' copy is called. Drawing attention from or even forgetting about Wolfram Alpha would be one of the 'Softers primary goals." | Jul 15 14:25 |
schestowitz | "Maybe setting your spellchecker to suggest "Wolfram Alpha (http://www.wolframalpha.com/)" whenever it encounters "Bing" might help." | Jul 15 14:25 |
schestowitz | "I can say from experience, both my own and watching Twitter, that MSFTers back off if you include links to their competitors or other embarrassing material in *each* and *every* comment or post." | Jul 15 14:25 |
schestowitz | "Saturate, diffuse and confuse can be countered with simple Skinnerian conditioning. Every time "Bing" is brought up, so is Wolfram Alpha." | Jul 15 14:25 |
schestowitz | === | Jul 15 14:25 |
schestowitz | Jose says the same thing | Jul 15 14:25 |
schestowitz | To post links to stuff | Jul 15 14:25 |
schestowitz | Time consuming | Jul 15 14:25 |
schestowitz | Just more advice from readers... | Jul 15 14:26 |
schestowitz | I'm still learning.. | Jul 15 14:26 |
schestowitz | "I figured that. So that means that any and all diminishment of Bing and highlighting of Google or Alpha is effective at this momement." | Jul 15 14:26 |
schestowitz | "Above, "Twitter" meant the person using the handle 'Twitter' on BN and on /." | Jul 15 14:26 |
schestowitz | "As far as specific tactics or strategies, there are often a few links one can choose from when posting. Some are often quite good. Post the almost-best link in the comment or article. Then if things are quiet for a day, post a completely new comment in another thread with the best link. Thus getting better exposure." | Jul 15 14:26 |
schestowitz | "However, if things are not quiet, then within an hour or so, post the 'best' link in the follow-up keeping to the absolute straight and narrow path of the topic and ignoring barbs, jabs and flamebait. Then dig up either 1) more on that topic or 2) equally tough material on a related topic." | Jul 15 14:26 |
schestowitz | "Works for me." | Jul 15 14:26 |
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schestowitz | Here is a goodie that needs doing (short): http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-microsoft/2009-exhibits/PX00891.pdf | Jul 15 15:18 |
schestowitz | Re ignoring the trolls: "That works, but next week or later this week, if they act up again, try the one-link-per-post method in your rebuttals." | Jul 15 16:23 |
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MinceR | zilog is mutex, isn't he? | Jul 15 18:57 |
schestowitz | Is he?? | Jul 15 18:57 |
schestowitz | Don't know | Jul 15 18:57 |
schestowitz | Look up IP | Jul 15 18:57 |
MinceR | all i could tell is that he's from bigpond.au | Jul 15 18:59 |
MinceR | (which is not a lot) | Jul 15 18:59 |
schestowitz | Thans! | Jul 15 19:05 |
schestowitz | *ks | Jul 15 19:05 |
MinceR | np | Jul 15 19:25 |
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trmanco | http://jpobst.blogspot.com/2009/07/banshee-as-platform.html | Jul 15 23:02 |
trmanco | banshee to replace yast | Jul 15 23:02 |
trmanco | how wonderful | Jul 15 23:02 |
trmanco | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Jul-15.html | Jul 15 23:03 |
schestowitz | They caught mononucleosis | Jul 15 23:05 |
schestowitz | May they rest in piece (of s*) | Jul 15 23:05 |
oiaohm | That was always going to happen trmanco. gobject developers and .net developers will get into bigger conflit. | Jul 15 23:07 |
trmanco | http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/15/novell-promotes-mono-in-gnome/ | Jul 15 23:20 |
trmanco | incredible post | Jul 15 23:20 |
schestowitz | Yes | Jul 15 23:22 |
schestowitz | Grrr. | Jul 15 23:42 |
schestowitz | Family asks the most idiotic questions... | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | it's like they can't use a computer without asking others...like it's a kid | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | ===== | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | Dell is sending me a replacement computer for this 3-year-old Dimension 5150 | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | model. | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | The story is … I had a power supply problem (the computer would not turn | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | on). | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | After about a dozen phone calls, they sent a technician to my home and | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | changed almost every part except the Hard Drive and that included a new | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | mother board and power supply, of course. All was O.K for a month…then the | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | problem returned. | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | As to the power supply problem, I found a fix myself; I did a Restore (2 | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | weeks ago) going back about 100 days and everything is now working as good | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | as new. | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | I was always careful to back up everything I can think of on an External | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | Drive, still I am wondering why take a Replacement computer and go through | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | all the work of restoring programs and all the rest when all the parts are | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | new in this one. If my hard drive fails in a year or two, I can worry about | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | it at that time. | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | I am thinking of calling Dell tomorrow to abort them sending a replacement. | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | What do you advise? | Jul 15 23:43 |
schestowitz | === | Jul 15 23:43 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | so this is publically logged as well? | Jul 16 00:42 |
Chips_B_Malroy | guess I should have read that b4 running off my mouth the other day | Jul 16 00:43 |
Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, if you there, I have some info for Goblin and maybe you | Jul 16 00:44 |
Chips_B_Malroy | maybe I go to the other channel | Jul 16 00:44 |
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schestowitz | Nope | Jul 16 00:46 |
schestowitz | I don't feed DavidS. He seems deranged. | Jul 16 01:21 |
schestowitz | So many trolls today | Jul 16 01:21 |
schestowitz | Like 200+ comments | Jul 16 01:21 |
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schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDBkB_0xdz4 | Jul 16 01:37 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at8kdzJdrjs&NR=1 | Jul 16 01:46 |
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MinceR | i advise not buying dell crap, ever. but i guess i'm late with that. :> | Jul 16 06:39 |
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trmanco | ddos? | Jul 16 09:53 |
trmanco | bn is a little slow | Jul 16 09:53 |
schestowitz | Yes, I noticed | Jul 16 09:53 |
schestowitz | Give it time | Jul 16 09:54 |
trmanco | http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/9160 | Jul 16 09:57 |
trmanco | wow, on exploit to rule them all | Jul 16 09:58 |
trmanco | one* | Jul 16 09:58 |
trmanco | but here is the catch | Jul 16 09:58 |
trmanco | Patch availability : | Jul 16 09:58 |
trmanco | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | Jul 16 09:58 |
trmanco | - Mozilla : Fixed in Firefox 3.0.5 and 2.0.0.19 | Jul 16 09:58 |
trmanco | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=460713 | Jul 16 09:58 |
trmanco | - Apple iPhone&iPod : patched | Jul 16 09:58 |
trmanco | - IE : No patch for IE5, IE6, IE7, IE8 until IE9 | Jul 16 09:58 |
trmanco | - Webkit : Patched in r41741 - https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23319 | Jul 16 09:58 |
trmanco | - Chrome : Patched, unknown which version) | Jul 16 09:58 |
trmanco | - Opera : Patched after version 9.64 | Jul 16 09:58 |
trmanco | >> - IE : No patch for IE5, IE6, IE7, IE8 until IE9 | Jul 16 09:58 |
trmanco | haha | Jul 16 09:58 |
schestowitz | Microsoft to deliver the only patch that takes down Windows | Jul 16 09:59 |
schestowitz | Fans unable to boot up their Wintendo boxes after a forced Update | Jul 16 09:59 |
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MinceR | it's pretty mean towards Nintendo to call winblows boxes that | Jul 16 11:24 |
schestowitz | I know, I know... | Jul 16 12:10 |
schestowitz | They can sue me | Jul 16 12:10 |
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trmanco | LOL | Jul 16 13:16 |
trmanco | wintendo is not a trademark, is it? | Jul 16 13:16 |
schestowitz | Heavy load... | Jul 16 14:00 |
schestowitz | 1:59.18 puppetd | Jul 16 14:00 |
schestowitz | 6376 apache 16 0 252m 36m 4608 S 6.0 3.6 0:43.12 httpd | Jul 16 14:00 |
schestowitz | 9474 apache 15 0 249m 34m 3504 S 6.0 3.3 | Jul 16 14:00 |
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schestowitz | Sorry to hear about wallc having probs with Ubuntu. Well, it's statistics. Probability of Windows going AWOL is higher. | Jul 16 21:23 |
schestowitz | The trolls might scoop that up to use against Ubuntu | Jul 16 21:23 |
schestowitz | You'll see | Jul 16 21:23 |
schestowitz | USPS goes open-source with tracking system http://gcn.com/Articles/2009/07/13/Update2-USPS-open-source-Product-Tracking-System.aspx | Jul 16 21:35 |
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schestowitz | Server not responding | Jul 17 12:15 |
schestowitz | , load average: 24.42, 13.55, 6.1 | Jul 17 12:15 |
fewa | eek | Jul 17 12:16 |
schestowitz | Could be anything. it's stablising now | Jul 17 12:19 |
schestowitz | "I am Not Afraid..." :-) | Jul 17 12:19 |
schestowitz | Like the banner | Jul 17 12:19 |
schestowitz | We keep growing. Some days over 10k unique IPs | Jul 17 12:21 |
fewa | try htop | Jul 17 12:21 |
fewa | http://htop.sourceforge.net/ also integrates strace with s | Jul 17 12:22 |
trmanco | I use that | Jul 17 12:23 |
fewa | and tree with 't' | Jul 17 12:23 |
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schestowitz | > Roy, you mentioned donations to help with BN expenses... | Jul 17 15:05 |
schestowitz | > > | Jul 17 15:05 |
schestowitz | > > What about putting some BN things on cafe press or zazzle? | Jul 17 15:05 |
schestowitz | I don't know if it pays. I could ask Pam.. | Jul 17 15:05 |
schestowitz | Should we maybe do this? | Jul 17 15:05 |
schestowitz | How about if we said, "support the boycott of Novell... buy and wear the tshirt" | Jul 17 15:06 |
schestowitz | Trademarks aside | Jul 17 15:06 |
schestowitz | We can get around that | Jul 17 15:06 |
trmanco | fan t-shirts -P | Jul 17 15:07 |
trmanco | haha | Jul 17 15:07 |
trmanco | that would be nice | Jul 17 15:07 |
schestowitz | Shall we do it? | Jul 17 15:07 |
trmanco | well, I'm saying that we shouldn't | Jul 17 15:08 |
trmanco | I'm not* | Jul 17 15:08 |
trmanco | but would other people think about this | Jul 17 15:08 |
trmanco | maybe a poll | Jul 17 15:08 |
trmanco | to see who is really interested | Jul 17 15:08 |
trmanco | but what would* | Jul 17 15:08 |
trmanco | ;) | Jul 17 15:09 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/08/ms-sins-and-offences/ | Jul 17 15:11 |
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tacone | it may put you under accuse of writing just for money | Jul 17 15:12 |
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schestowitz | I know | Jul 17 15:12 |
tacone | unless you do it completely free and can prove that | Jul 17 15:12 |
trmanco | yes, there are always these downturns | Jul 17 15:13 |
trmanco | that's the problem | Jul 17 15:13 |
schestowitz | In theory, although I make no money, this is not illegal | Jul 17 15:13 |
schestowitz | People who are activists against bad things can find ways to pay bill | Jul 17 15:13 |
tacone | so, if you plan to make money, even if just to support the site, be prepared to be backslashed | Jul 17 15:13 |
schestowitz | *lls | Jul 17 15:13 |
schestowitz | Like Groklaw | Jul 17 15:13 |
tacone | if you do it free and can prove it, be prepared just to the usual round of lies | Jul 17 15:14 |
schestowitz | You could say that donations and sales come from SCO critque | Jul 17 15:14 |
trmanco | it's sorta like the pirate bay t-shirts :-P | Jul 17 15:23 |
schestowitz | But they did something illegitimate | Jul 17 15:25 |
schestowitz | File-sharing of some copyrighted content | Jul 17 15:25 |
schestowitz | BN is not the same | Jul 17 15:25 |
trmanco | yeah, but I wasn't referring to that part | Jul 17 15:27 |
tacone | on the other hand | Jul 17 15:27 |
tacone | some funny t-shirt would be nice | Jul 17 15:27 |
tacone | nothing like boycott this or that+ | Jul 17 15:27 |
tacone | find some nice joke. | Jul 17 15:27 |
tacone | M**nlight. Eat it well, it's good for your character is pretty cool. | Jul 17 15:27 |
tacone | the trademark may be worked around with asterisks or alternative spellings. | Jul 17 15:28 |
tacone | a MoNoooo! t-shirt may also be cool. | Jul 17 15:28 |
trmanco | m00nlight | Jul 17 15:28 |
fewa | satire is a protected act | Jul 17 15:37 |
tacone | only when it doesn't refer to virgin | Jul 17 15:37 |
tacone | virgins | Jul 17 15:37 |
fewa | trademarks only cover when your product may be reasonably confused with anothers product, or otherwise water down their trademarks | Jul 17 15:37 |
tacone | we all know it's the virgin joke that keeps girls to contribute to the open source | Jul 17 15:38 |
fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_v._Franken | Jul 17 15:39 |
fewa | Fox News Channel, the plaintiff, sought to enjoin Al Franken from using Fox's trademark phrase "fair and balanced" in the title of his then-forthcoming book, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right. | Jul 17 15:39 |
fewa | In response, Franken joked that he had trademarked the word "funny", and that Fox had infringed his intellectual property rights by characterizing him as "unfunny." | Jul 17 15:40 |
MinceR | how did they allow fox to trademark "fair and balanced"? | Jul 17 15:59 |
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fewa | that very question was asked by the judge | Jul 17 16:25 |
MinceR | :D | Jul 17 16:26 |
fewa | which is one of the reasons they dropped the suit so quick | Jul 17 16:26 |
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schestowitz | Someone says: "putting a small "donate" button somewhere on your site might help a little too. " | Jul 17 17:52 |
schestowitz | I doubt people donate much these days | Jul 17 17:52 |
tacone | me too | Jul 17 17:53 |
tacone | but it could have less backslashes than the t-shirts | Jul 17 17:53 |
schestowitz | BMW to ride in with 115-mile range e-scooter? http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/07/16/bmw_preps_e_scooter/ | Jul 17 18:03 |
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schestowitz | "When they try the 'saturate' phase or personal attacks, you know that | Jul 17 19:12 |
schestowitz | it's time for more links like you did in this comment: | Jul 17 19:12 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/17/vista-7-is-vaporware-admission/#comment-70432 | Jul 17 19:12 |
schestowitz | I see some more churn about Bing but can't find the old article about | Jul 17 19:12 |
schestowitz | how the claim on increased use was an bunch of sock puppets blowing air | Jul 17 19:12 |
schestowitz | about a small spike. Wolfram Alpha's success must really be twisting | Jul 17 19:12 |
schestowitz | Bill's tail." | Jul 17 19:12 |
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schestowitz | Did I miss anything here or the main channel? | Jul 17 21:59 |
schestowitz | There was a system crash. Haven't check the cause | Jul 17 21:59 |
trmanco | here no | Jul 17 22:25 |
trmanco | system crash | Jul 17 22:26 |
trmanco | wow | Jul 17 22:26 |
trmanco | I haven't had one of those since 7.10 and it was X | Jul 17 22:26 |
schestowitz | I had one last month (GPU) | Jul 17 22:30 |
schestowitz | No idea if it's the GPU again. Cursor moved | Jul 17 22:30 |
schestowitz | Eevrything else did nothing. Just curosr hovering | Jul 17 22:30 |
schestowitz | So similar to last time | Jul 17 22:30 |
schestowitz | No overheat in GPU | Jul 17 22:30 |
trmanco | something to do with X | Jul 17 22:30 |
trmanco | maybe running too long :-P | Jul 17 22:31 |
trmanco | 300 days? | Jul 17 22:31 |
schestowitz | Not really | Jul 18 01:04 |
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trmanco | "I can only imagine the violent anti-FSF reaction and hate this will generate (or is probably already generating?) on various forums. | Jul 18 09:25 |
trmanco | Anything that RMS or the FSF says is usually grounded in solid logic. Everybody would be wise to at least consider it. | Jul 18 09:25 |
trmanco | As for me personally, and the businesses I am involved with, I would avoid Mono. | Jul 18 09:25 |
trmanco | Which really saddens me because I like Mono. The language is better than Java, the implementation starts faster, it feels more lightweight, it supports static compilation, etc. | Jul 18 09:25 |
trmanco | I have been on the receiving end of an IP-related lawsuit and it is an experience which one never forgets." | Jul 18 09:25 |
trmanco | http://lwn.net/Articles/341947/ | Jul 18 09:25 |
trmanco | http://lwn.net/Articles/341771/ here is the article | Jul 18 09:27 |
trmanco | http://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=14637 | Jul 18 09:27 |
trmanco | see this | Jul 18 09:27 |
fewa | <HivenGlaven> is Mutex | Jul 18 11:33 |
fewa | CPE-143-238-84-56.nsw.bigpond.net.au. | Jul 18 11:34 |
fewa | block 143.238.*.* | Jul 18 11:35 |
fewa | schestowitz, | Jul 18 11:35 |
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fewa | schestowitz, | Jul 18 12:32 |
fewa | guess he left.... | Jul 18 12:32 |
schestowitz | Just got back | Jul 18 12:40 |
schestowitz | I'll back him | Jul 18 12:40 |
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trmanco | littleyoy is from bigpind | Jul 18 20:47 |
trmanco | bigpond* | Jul 18 20:47 |
trmanco | schestowitz, | Jul 18 20:47 |
trmanco | [littleyoy] (i=8fee5438@gateway/web/freenode/x-3eb721dcb662728a): CPE-143-238-84-56.nsw.bigpond.net.au/143.238.84.56 | Jul 18 20:48 |
trmanco | tangles is him again | Jul 18 20:50 |
trmanco | [tangles_] (i=8fee5438@gateway/web/freenode/x-aa15f97b293654e0): CPE-143-238-84-56.nsw.bigpond.net.au/143.238.84.56 | Jul 18 20:50 |
trmanco | exactly the same ip adress | Jul 18 20:51 |
trmanco | address* | Jul 18 20:51 |
MinceR | indeed | Jul 18 20:51 |
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fewa | you have to block *@143.238.*.* | Jul 18 21:15 |
MinceR | also *!?=8fee????@* | Jul 18 21:15 |
fewa | schestowitz, | Jul 18 21:16 |
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schestowitz | David contacts me. | Jul 19 04:05 |
schestowitz | "Hi David, | Jul 19 04:06 |
schestowitz | Let me keep it short because it's 4am here (upgraded the Web site and tired now)... | Jul 19 04:06 |
schestowitz | I swear to you that I did not send anyone to get you. That's just a fact. | Jul 19 04:06 |
schestowitz | The whole thing has taken in vain a lot of of time (yours and mine) and the culprit that initiated this lied shamelessly to get off the hook. | Jul 19 04:06 |
schestowitz | I've no interest in exchanging punches online; trust me, I don't. I was falsely accused from the start and it went downhll from there. | Jul 19 04:06 |
schestowitz | What do you want to do? None of us will benefit from more waste of time." | Jul 19 04:06 |
schestowitz | Just threats | Jul 19 04:06 |
schestowitz | Playing tough, still... | Jul 19 04:06 |
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schestowitz | "I'm still logged into the BN IRC. Been checking it periodically to catch up on the conversation. What a hoot. | Jul 19 08:58 |
schestowitz | Anyway, I didn't want to bother you when you and tessier were doing the upgrade, but I saw you ask earlier for help with the "Troll" wiki. Is there anything I can do to help? | Jul 19 08:58 |
schestowitz | " | Jul 19 08:58 |
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schestowitz | == | Jul 19 11:11 |
schestowitz | "Thanks for the recent java post. MS is having lots of proxies | Jul 19 11:11 |
schestowitz | > really push C# in an apparent attempt to drown out discussions where | Jul 19 11:11 |
schestowitz | > Java is the obvious choice." | Jul 19 11:11 |
schestowitz | "> My account for Boycottnovell wiki does not work with the wordpress | Jul 19 11:12 |
schestowitz | > interface and I see no links on the wordpress interface to create a new | Jul 19 11:12 |
schestowitz | > account." | Jul 19 11:12 |
fewa | http://slopsbox.com/read | Jul 19 12:40 |
trmanco | "Microsoft Windows tcpip.sys IGMP local stack buffer overrun (July 2009) | Jul 19 13:13 |
trmanco | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jul 19 13:13 |
trmanco | In the shape I post this here there is no privilege escalation at all, but it | Jul 19 13:13 |
trmanco | seems there must be something wrong in the IP stack implementation of ms windows | Jul 19 13:13 |
trmanco | so I just want to inform you. | Jul 19 13:13 |
trmanco | " | Jul 19 13:13 |
trmanco | "The attached code will crash any windows system, means XP, Vista and | Jul 19 13:13 |
trmanco | 2000 with a Blue Screen." | Jul 19 13:13 |
trmanco | lol | Jul 19 13:13 |
schestowitz | What's the secret packet? | Jul 19 13:14 |
schestowitz | Back to winnuke.exe | Jul 19 13:15 |
trmanco | lol | Jul 19 13:16 |
fewa | nice | Jul 19 13:43 |
trmanco | it's local for now | Jul 19 13:44 |
trmanco | but it might get remote :-P | Jul 19 13:44 |
trmanco | and you have to be admin, where windows in normal cases always gives you an admin account | Jul 19 13:44 |
fewa | o_O | Jul 19 13:44 |
fewa | then not big deal | Jul 19 13:45 |
fewa | have you seen the vista 7 kill videos | Jul 19 13:45 |
fewa | if you can execute code on vista 7 you can trash the system | Jul 19 13:45 |
trmanco | yes it is, you see, if someone were to use some privilege escalation exploit and then use this one or an evolution of this exploit then it will be really bad | Jul 19 13:45 |
trmanco | for those people who have non admin accounts | Jul 19 13:46 |
trmanco | haha | Jul 19 13:46 |
trmanco | it's always like that, same with vista | Jul 19 13:46 |
trmanco | I remember crashing vista with simple keyboard shortcuts | Jul 19 13:46 |
fewa | lots of security theatre, little security | Jul 19 13:48 |
schestowitz | Vista 7 is VIsta wrt security | Jul 19 13:56 |
schestowitz | Same engine/s | Jul 19 13:56 |
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fewa | wait... | Jul 19 15:56 |
fewa | why are binaries copyrightable? | Jul 19 15:57 |
fewa | they are not creative express, like source code is | Jul 19 15:57 |
fewa | they are purely functional | Jul 19 15:57 |
schestowitz | Yeah.. see EPO satire | Jul 19 15:59 |
fewa | and creativity is those things that only a human can do | Jul 19 15:59 |
fewa | if a computer can do something (and not mearly by chance) it is not creative | Jul 19 15:59 |
schestowitz | Nothing is ceative | Jul 19 16:00 |
schestowitz | Creation is a better word | Jul 19 16:00 |
schestowitz | Assembling ideas and matter | Jul 19 16:00 |
fewa | "creativity" | Jul 19 16:00 |
schestowitz | Meh | Jul 19 16:00 |
schestowitz | aka construction | Jul 19 16:00 |
fewa | stil that is what defines copyright law | Jul 19 16:00 |
fewa | actually | Jul 19 16:01 |
fewa | only "respective Writings" | Jul 19 16:01 |
fewa | its only copyrightable it is a "writings" | Jul 19 16:01 |
fewa | or patentable if it is a "discovery" | Jul 19 16:01 |
fewa | (in the US) | Jul 19 16:02 |
fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause | Jul 19 16:03 |
fewa | link on satire? | Jul 19 16:06 |
schestowitz | Funny how David links to the gang of libeling Microsoft trolls from COLA | Jul 19 16:28 |
schestowitz | haha. He found friends... | Jul 19 16:28 |
schestowitz | ALso in Linsux | Jul 19 16:28 |
schestowitz | Let David speak... :-) He makes a fool out of himself, for the log | Jul 19 16:47 |
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tacone | who's lefty ? | Jul 19 17:01 |
trmanco | schestowitz, foe | Jul 19 17:28 |
trmanco | schestowitz's* | Jul 19 17:28 |
tacone | lol | Jul 19 17:28 |
tacone | let them talk | Jul 19 17:28 |
tacone | nobody feds them. | Jul 19 17:28 |
tacone | except me, i replied 2-3 times for good reasons | Jul 19 17:28 |
tacone | I just want the logs of this thing. | Jul 19 17:29 |
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trmanco | ... | Jul 19 17:48 |
fewa | HivenGlaven == _Mutex_ | Jul 19 18:15 |
trmanco | yeah | Jul 19 18:16 |
trmanco | teddy1 | Jul 19 18:16 |
fewa | mannaged to get on another netblock | Jul 19 18:17 |
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fewa | so stupid to keep an old nick.... | Jul 19 18:17 |
tacone | ? | Jul 19 18:18 |
fewa | he used the HivenGlaven before, _Mutex_ that is | Jul 19 18:18 |
fewa | so many trolls.... | Jul 19 18:20 |
fewa | make it a zoo | Jul 19 18:20 |
tacone | trolls are less afraid when they troll in group | Jul 19 18:21 |
fewa | but they make themselves look like idiots | Jul 19 18:21 |
fewa | groupthink | Jul 19 18:21 |
tacone | i'm gonna post the log | Jul 19 18:22 |
tacone | well i'm still thinking about that | Jul 19 18:23 |
fewa | we need a admin to be aroud while schestowitz is gone | Jul 19 18:38 |
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trmanco | where can you get a cloak | Jul 19 18:45 |
trmanco | unaffiliated <- | Jul 19 18:45 |
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desu | #freenode | Jul 19 18:46 |
trmanco | they just give one to you? | Jul 19 18:47 |
desu_ | yes, ask for a cloak | Jul 19 18:48 |
desu_ | <fewa> we need a admin to be aroud while schestowitz is gone <--- i agree :/ | Jul 19 18:49 |
desu_ | lefty is trolling the fuck out of that chan :/ | Jul 19 18:49 |
trmanco | but it's only for freenode right? | Jul 19 18:49 |
desu_ | muttley should stop feeding the trolls D: | Jul 19 18:49 |
desu_ | trmanco: yes... | Jul 19 18:49 |
trmanco | ok thanks | Jul 19 18:49 |
desu_ | for other networks, generally /hs request <vhost> | Jul 19 18:49 |
trmanco | I currently don't need one, I was just asking | Jul 19 18:50 |
trmanco | hs? | Jul 19 18:50 |
desu_ | hostserv | Jul 19 18:51 |
desu_ | kinda like nickserv and chanserv | Jul 19 18:51 |
fewa | desu_, thats a client shortcut | Jul 19 18:51 |
desu_ | fewa: nope | Jul 19 18:51 |
trmanco | ah | Jul 19 18:51 |
fewa | the actual command is /msg hostserv request | Jul 19 18:51 |
desu_ | that's an actual server-side command | Jul 19 18:51 |
desu_ | try it on the networks which have a hostserv | Jul 19 18:51 |
desu_ | do this: | Jul 19 18:51 |
desu_ | /quote hs help | Jul 19 18:51 |
fewa | hmm | Jul 19 18:51 |
desu_ | or try this on freenode: | Jul 19 18:51 |
desu_ | /quote ns help | Jul 19 18:52 |
desu_ | someone REALLY needs to tell muttley to stop feeding the trolls ¬_¬ | Jul 19 18:52 |
fewa | i did | Jul 19 18:54 |
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Chips_B_Malroy | Hello all | Jul 19 19:11 |
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trmanco | maybe assin por ops to the channel | Jul 19 19:48 |
trmanco | assign* | Jul 19 19:48 |
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tacone | schestowitz: here ? | Jul 19 19:49 |
trmanco | no there -> | Jul 19 19:49 |
trmanco | he might be here to, but he is active on the other side | Jul 19 19:49 |
fewa | i think MinceR should be op | Jul 19 19:52 |
fewa | *troll saber | Jul 19 19:52 |
fewa | (if he wants it_ | Jul 19 19:53 |
fewa | not pwr seeking _Hicham_ | Jul 19 19:53 |
tacone | schestowitz: should the happening be blogged about ? | Jul 19 19:54 |
fewa | WTW? | Jul 19 19:54 |
trmanco | oh | Jul 19 19:54 |
trmanco | hiven glaven another troll | Jul 19 19:55 |
fewa | yarp | Jul 19 19:55 |
fewa | _Mutex) | Jul 19 19:55 |
fewa | he hasnt said anything for a while | Jul 19 19:55 |
trmanco | be he was blabbering crap when lefty was there | Jul 19 19:56 |
trmanco | but | Jul 19 19:56 |
trmanco | he probably fell asleep | Jul 19 19:56 |
fewa | nah | Jul 19 19:56 |
schestowitz | tacone: he'd claim we provoke | Jul 19 19:59 |
schestowitz | trmanco: yes, several of them | Jul 19 19:59 |
schestowitz | They are bottom-feeders | Jul 19 19:59 |
schestowitz | 40 people in the channel on a Sunday | Jul 19 19:59 |
tacone | it's not about him claiming, but about the legal situation | Jul 19 19:59 |
schestowitz | SOme from his buddies at linsux | Jul 19 20:00 |
tacone | would that make things worse for you ? | Jul 19 20:00 |
schestowitz | He barks | Jul 19 20:00 |
trmanco | wof wof | Jul 19 20:00 |
schestowitz | No bite, and I would countersue if he tried | Jul 19 20:00 |
trmanco | grrrrrr! | Jul 19 20:00 |
schestowitz | He tried this on others before | Jul 19 20:00 |
schestowitz | Legal intimidation to manipulate | Jul 19 20:01 |
schestowitz | There should be laws against it | Jul 19 20:01 |
fewa | there are | Jul 19 20:01 |
fewa | well... | Jul 19 20:01 |
fewa | SLAPP | Jul 19 20:01 |
tacone | i'll still think about it, and maybe blog some bit, then. | Jul 19 20:01 |
fewa | thats when its actually filed | Jul 19 20:01 |
fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation | Jul 19 20:01 |
fewa | schestowitz, moreover, if there was a law against it, how would you go about enforcing it? | Jul 19 20:17 |
fewa | law against legal threats | Jul 19 20:17 |
schestowitz | That's the thing | Jul 19 20:21 |
schestowitz | Litigious societies are poison, as are psychopaths | Jul 19 20:21 |
schestowitz | The Web is increasingly being filled witht hem | Jul 19 20:21 |
fewa | and anti-SLAPP laws protect you from such threats | Jul 19 20:21 |
fewa | along with the first amendment | Jul 19 20:21 |
fewa | (i know you are not in the US) | Jul 19 20:22 |
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trmanco | childish acts | Jul 19 21:51 |
trmanco | ... | Jul 19 21:51 |
trmanco | schestowitz, linxer is him | Jul 19 21:52 |
trmanco | I think | Jul 19 21:52 |
schestowitz | See IPs in hex | Jul 19 21:53 |
trmanco | so he nymshifts now a | Jul 19 21:53 |
trmanco | ? | Jul 19 21:53 |
trmanco | hex? | Jul 19 21:53 |
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schestowitz | tacone1: | Jul 19 23:45 |
schestowitz | Server not responding at all | Jul 19 23:45 |
tacone1 | ? | Jul 19 23:45 |
tacone1 | i see | Jul 19 23:45 |
schestowitz | Just minutes after I had banned the troll | Jul 19 23:45 |
schestowitz | No idea if it's related | Jul 19 23:46 |
tacone1 | ehehe, wondering the same thing | Jul 19 23:46 |
tacone1 | of course it's impossible to prove | Jul 19 23:47 |
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schestowitz | Can you do me a favour? | Jul 20 00:18 |
schestowitz | I'm going to sleep, but tessier (the admin) will probaly pop in cause I paged him. Tell him the site (server) is down | Jul 20 00:18 |
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schestowitz | Please tell tessier to fix it when he shows up. Might be out somewhere, but I paged him | Jul 20 00:29 |
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trmanco | "Dear Reader, | Jul 20 08:17 |
trmanco | In 48 hours, the anti-sec movement will publicly unveil working exploit code | Jul 20 08:17 |
trmanco | and full details for the zero-day OpenSSH vulnerability we discovered. It | Jul 20 08:17 |
trmanco | will be posted to the Full-Disclosure security list." | Jul 20 08:17 |
trmanco | LOL | Jul 20 08:17 |
trmanco | that's from the anti-sec movement | Jul 20 08:17 |
schestowitz | "movement" | Jul 20 08:19 |
schestowitz | Reliable source? | Jul 20 08:20 |
schestowitz | If not, then it's a whisper campaign, or FUD | Jul 20 08:20 |
schestowitz | Been done before (blob vendors calling openssh "commie" and stuff) | Jul 20 08:20 |
trmanco | from the people that "hacked" imageshack | Jul 20 08:27 |
trmanco | but it also might be a fake | Jul 20 08:28 |
trmanco | some dummy is faking anti-sec messages | Jul 20 08:28 |
trmanco | they are against full disclosure but they are going to release a 0-day exploit | Jul 20 08:28 |
trmanco | in 48 hours | Jul 20 08:29 |
trmanco | it's for openssh <=5.2 | Jul 20 08:29 |
trmanco | so, all versions | Jul 20 08:29 |
schestowitz | "Sect" | Jul 20 08:29 |
schestowitz | Imageshack was not a zero-day as much as a site design flaw AFAIK | Jul 20 08:30 |
schestowitz | Like hacking some Windows server... not being the same as finding a bug as much as using an off-the-shelf exploit | Jul 20 08:30 |
trmanco | yeah, I know | Jul 20 08:31 |
schestowitz | I'll do COLA posts shortly | Jul 20 08:32 |
schestowitz | Been kept busy by the intimidations mud | Jul 20 08:32 |
schestowitz | Not the first time, either | Jul 20 08:32 |
schestowitz | If you get to them, then the flatfishs of the world stop harassing you | Jul 20 08:33 |
schestowitz | Like mailing your bosses, threatening without actually doing anything, saying that "horrible things will happen' | Jul 20 08:33 |
schestowitz | Been like this for 3 years... | Jul 20 08:33 |
trmanco | :| | Jul 20 08:35 |
schestowitz | Activists FTW | Jul 20 08:36 |
trmanco | bbl | Jul 20 08:39 |
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schestowitz | "Great work keeping on top of everything. You might want to add links to | Jul 20 13:11 |
schestowitz | Rhythmbox and Digikam in this article: | Jul 20 13:11 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/19/f-spot-banshee-dep/ | Jul 20 13:11 |
schestowitz | Show the real deal each time the Amherst blankets are offered. | Jul 20 13:11 |
schestowitz | Might want to configure the spellchecker or something else as an | Jul 20 13:11 |
schestowitz | automatic reminder." | Jul 20 13:11 |
schestowitz | I always forget to suggest some remedies. It's time consuming | Jul 20 13:11 |
trmanco | use both wordpress' spellchecker and firefox's | Jul 20 13:21 |
fewa | "Monopoly corrupts. Absolute monopoly corrupts absolutely." | Jul 20 13:25 |
fewa | :P | Jul 20 13:25 |
trmanco | tacone, just registered myself | Jul 20 13:26 |
trmanco | I prefer email to forums | Jul 20 13:26 |
trmanco | a mailing list would be better IMO | Jul 20 13:26 |
tacone | trmanco: maybe some plugin to watch threads may be good | Jul 20 13:27 |
trmanco | rss feed to email? :-P | Jul 20 13:27 |
tacone | i should say bbpress is very nice as a forum. less bloated and more functional of phpbb, vbulletin and others | Jul 20 13:27 |
trmanco | I prefer smf | Jul 20 13:28 |
trmanco | even though it's not really "free software" | Jul 20 13:28 |
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schestowitz | fewa: sounds familiar. :-) | Jul 20 14:40 |
schestowitz | BTW, David is a bully with history. Former victims of his sent me evidence. He is like a racketeer, so please don't reply to him. | Jul 20 14:41 |
trmanco | schestowitz, how did he get that email of you and fink? | Jul 20 14:44 |
trmanco | I always wondered this | Jul 20 14:44 |
schestowitz | Maybe it was a bait | Jul 20 14:44 |
trmanco | the one he exposed | Jul 20 14:44 |
trmanco | yeah | Jul 20 14:44 |
trmanco | I though about that too | Jul 20 14:44 |
schestowitz | He excluded context | Jul 20 14:44 |
trmanco | thought* | Jul 20 14:44 |
schestowitz | Duh | Jul 20 14:44 |
trmanco | yes | Jul 20 14:44 |
schestowitz | Daemonisation | Jul 20 14:44 |
schestowitz | Like RMS | Jul 20 14:45 |
schestowitz | I am flattered to be one among two, the other bring RMS | Jul 20 14:45 |
trmanco | but the question still remains, how the heck did he get the conversation between you and "Fink" | Jul 20 14:45 |
schestowitz | *being | Jul 20 14:45 |
schestowitz | trmanco: thretened to sue him | Jul 20 14:45 |
trmanco | fink? | Jul 20 14:45 |
schestowitz | That's his antics on he Internet | Jul 20 14:45 |
schestowitz | Yes | Jul 20 14:45 |
schestowitz | Megalomaniac | Jul 20 14:45 |
trmanco | he also threatened you too | Jul 20 14:45 |
schestowitz | That's what mental patient institutes should be for | Jul 20 14:46 |
schestowitz | trmanco: not just me | Jul 20 14:46 |
schestowitz | Many people | Jul 20 14:46 |
trmanco | I see | Jul 20 14:46 |
schestowitz | Floods my E-mail with 'love letters' | Jul 20 14:47 |
trmanco | w00t | Jul 20 14:48 |
trmanco | do you make you emails public | Jul 20 14:48 |
trmanco | ? | Jul 20 14:48 |
trmanco | I would love to read some :-P | Jul 20 14:48 |
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schestowitz | Not now | Jul 20 14:52 |
trmanco | ok | Jul 20 14:54 |
schestowitz | Wow | Jul 20 15:00 |
schestowitz | You should see those E_mails... | Jul 20 15:00 |
schestowitz | One day you will. | Jul 20 15:00 |
trmanco | LOL | Jul 20 15:02 |
trmanco | really? how? :-P | Jul 20 15:02 |
schestowitz | nm | Jul 20 15:05 |
schestowitz | He made death threats to people | Jul 20 15:10 |
trmanco | wow | Jul 20 15:13 |
trmanco | what does "nm" mean? | Jul 20 15:13 |
trmanco | short shorter for "nym" :-P | Jul 20 15:13 |
schestowitz | "never mind" | Jul 20 15:25 |
trmanco | ok | Jul 20 15:26 |
trmanco | it would be nice to show the comment count in the rss feed | Jul 20 16:12 |
trmanco | :-P | Jul 20 16:12 |
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schestowitz | I think we're DDOSed now | Jul 20 17:43 |
schestowitz | It's DDoS | Jul 20 17:56 |
schestowitz | Bugger them.. still trying to silence us | Jul 20 17:56 |
schestowitz | Dying out a bit | Jul 20 18:08 |
schestowitz | I should say it off the record, but this is emotionally exhausting. Thanks guys for encouraging the work on this site. I do it because I care about loyal readers and it is far from easy with all the abuse | Jul 20 18:09 |
trmanco | :) | Jul 20 18:09 |
schestowitz | Freedom of speech is a joke when one gets harassed for exercising it | Jul 20 18:14 |
schestowitz | They make running a blog feel like warzone. | Jul 20 19:07 |
schestowitz | You ought to have seen COLA in 2007. | Jul 20 19:07 |
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trmanco | schestowitz, please upgrade | Jul 20 20:40 |
trmanco | 2.8.1 has a security flaw | Jul 20 20:40 |
trmanco | in the comment system, XSS attack btw | Jul 20 20:40 |
schestowitz | Ah, so this is serious | Jul 20 20:41 |
schestowitz | Does it require disabling all plugins or whatever? | Jul 20 20:41 |
trmanco | I've upgraded my 2 blogs without a glitch | Jul 20 20:43 |
trmanco | all plugins *should* work without a problem | Jul 20 20:43 |
trmanco | just go to tool and upgrade automatically | Jul 20 20:43 |
trmanco | tools* | Jul 20 20:43 |
trmanco | but back up first :-P | Jul 20 20:43 |
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schestowitz | when tessier is back we'll do it | Jul 20 20:55 |
trmanco | ok | Jul 20 20:55 |
schestowitz | automatic upgrade needs FTP working | Jul 20 20:55 |
schestowitz | Does work for me | Jul 20 20:55 |
trmanco | he better come back fast | Jul 20 20:55 |
trmanco | THe vuln exploit hasn't been published yet | Jul 20 20:56 |
trmanco | but it might soon | Jul 20 20:56 |
schestowitz | I can do it myself | Jul 20 20:57 |
schestowitz | 3 blogs | Jul 20 20:57 |
trmanco | it goes very smooth :-P | Jul 20 20:58 |
schestowitz | Only if you do autoupgrade | Jul 20 21:03 |
trmanco | yeah | Jul 20 21:03 |
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schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-07-20-017-35-OS-CY-0004 "That amazes me, too. I posted a single comment on BoycottNovell and between 8:24AM and 2:39PM I got 18 emails in my inbox, all from a guy named "Lefty", who is one of the worst astroturfers on BN." | Jul 21 09:49 |
tacone | omg | Jul 21 09:53 |
tacone | i can't believe that. | Jul 21 09:53 |
tacone | i guess he talks about comment notifications, not direct emails | Jul 21 09:53 |
schestowitz | Direct | Jul 21 09:55 |
schestowitz | The guy at hand is psychotic | Jul 21 09:55 |
schestowitz | Death threats and all | Jul 21 09:55 |
schestowitz | Armed and dangerous | Jul 21 09:56 |
schestowitz | Dr. Stallman was warned | Jul 21 09:56 |
schestowitz | Not by me | Jul 21 09:56 |
schestowitz | Been doing this since 1994 | Jul 21 09:56 |
schestowitz | Thanks a lot. In a couple of days, assuming no trolling, we'll be back on track with rapid posting pace. | Jul 21 10:04 |
schestowitz | *Sigh* | Jul 21 10:05 |
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schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccReLF6M62Y | Jul 21 12:51 |
trmanco | what it the 3 E's? | Jul 21 13:04 |
trmanco | what are* | Jul 21 13:04 |
trmanco | embrace,extend,extinguish? | Jul 21 13:05 |
trmanco | or extend,embrace,extinguish? | Jul 21 13:05 |
MinceR | 142434 < trmanco> embrace,extend,extinguish? | Jul 21 13:05 |
MinceR | that's the one | Jul 21 13:05 |
trmanco | ah, ok | Jul 21 13:11 |
trmanco | thanks | Jul 21 13:11 |
MinceR | np | Jul 21 13:11 |
trmanco | http://codemonkey.org.uk/junk/hv.diff | Jul 21 13:19 |
trmanco | and there you have it | Jul 21 13:20 |
trmanco | "Given the numerous cleanup patches that already exist, is there any reason | Jul 21 13:21 |
trmanco | to not just post the cleaned up drivers ? It would certainly be more | Jul 21 13:21 |
trmanco | reviewable than the current pile." | Jul 21 13:21 |
trmanco | messy code as usual | Jul 21 13:21 |
trmanco | no wonder their software is pure shit | Jul 21 13:21 |
MinceR | why even consider adding code that's specific to one hypervisor? | Jul 21 13:22 |
trmanco | I have no idea | Jul 21 13:22 |
trmanco | it's part of microsft's plan to embrace | Jul 21 13:23 |
trmanco | then, extend and extinguish | Jul 21 13:23 |
schestowitz | Aye] | Jul 21 13:23 |
schestowitz | Post about it coming... :-D | Jul 21 13:23 |
schestowitz | Just been harvesting supporting opinions for a day ! | Jul 21 13:24 |
trmanco | schestowitz, you will be called a anti-Microsoft zealot for that | Jul 21 13:24 |
trmanco | you'll see | Jul 21 13:24 |
schestowitz | trmanco: no... | Jul 21 13:24 |
schestowitz | That's why I wait for others to speak | Jul 21 13:24 |
trmanco | ah | Jul 21 13:24 |
schestowitz | So I can show it's groupthink | Jul 21 13:24 |
trmanco | groklaw has a good point | Jul 21 13:24 |
schestowitz | I told InfoWorld about it | Jul 21 13:24 |
schestowitz | Gently. | Jul 21 13:24 |
schestowitz | Because they do respect my take on it and I don't want to be seen as "hard-liner' | Jul 21 13:25 |
trmanco | :-) | Jul 21 13:25 |
MinceR | then they'll accuse the groupthink of zealotry | Jul 21 13:25 |
schestowitz | No | Jul 21 13:28 |
schestowitz | I have infoworls support | Jul 21 13:28 |
schestowitz | Keneddy | Jul 21 13:28 |
schestowitz | Kennedy | Jul 21 13:28 |
MinceR | m$ zealots call anyone who disagrees with them zealots | Jul 21 13:28 |
MinceR | they believe this way they can somehow avert attention from their zealotry | Jul 21 13:29 |
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trmanco | You must be logged in to post a comment. :| | Jul 21 15:00 |
trmanco | see -> http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/21/microsoft-linux-v-patch/#comment-71018 | Jul 21 15:01 |
trmanco | even though you waited, you still get attacked | Jul 21 15:01 |
schestowitz | Yes, but I monitor his behaviour. He knows | Jul 21 15:06 |
schestowitz | So they are more restrained | Jul 21 15:06 |
schestowitz | Watch what happened to Lefty's 3 nyms | Jul 21 15:06 |
schestowitz | After two bans he became polite | Jul 21 15:06 |
tacone | this is total out of my head | Jul 21 15:11 |
tacone | totally | Jul 21 15:11 |
tacone | but why should a troll become polite ? they either insult or leave. | Jul 21 15:11 |
tacone | unless they have some kind of incentive to stay and keep commenting | Jul 21 15:12 |
trmanco | lol | Jul 21 15:48 |
trmanco | wong posted something on cola | Jul 21 15:48 |
trmanco | http://armchairtheorist.com/2009/07/21/the-curious-case-of-boycott-novell/ | Jul 21 15:48 |
schestowitz | Well, COLA had MS employees there before but I don't know about TEs | Jul 21 15:49 |
trmanco | pinguin pete isn't in irc is he? | Jul 21 15:51 |
schestowitz | Haha. | Jul 21 15:51 |
schestowitz | Links to Linsux for support | Jul 21 15:51 |
schestowitz | He only publicises us | Jul 21 15:51 |
trmanco | ... | Jul 21 15:53 |
trmanco | trolls can't distinguish them selves | Jul 21 15:53 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | Jul 21 15:53 |
schestowitz | Microsoft employees confronted /us/ | Jul 21 15:54 |
schestowitz | Not the other way around | Jul 21 15:54 |
schestowitz | He came to our territory | Jul 21 15:54 |
trmanco | see the comment | Jul 21 15:54 |
trmanco | it has trackback from twitter | Jul 21 15:54 |
trmanco | s | Jul 21 15:54 |
schestowitz | Many attempts to delegitimise us recently | Jul 21 15:56 |
schestowitz | Same with the FSF | Jul 21 15:56 |
schestowitz | Because they stand in their way | Jul 21 15:56 |
schestowitz | I am not replying to our main troll anymore. If you don't support my judgment never to reply to him again, holler. :-) | Jul 21 16:12 |
trmanco | lol | Jul 21 16:18 |
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Diablo-D3 | oh hai | Jul 21 20:59 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: name microsoft blogs | Jul 21 20:59 |
desu | and that one comment i made to piss off lefty is now back to bite my ass >> | Jul 21 20:59 |
desu | *>.> | Jul 21 21:00 |
Diablo-D3 | name lots of them | Jul 21 21:00 |
Diablo-D3 | I have the urge to piss in someone's cheerios | Jul 21 21:00 |
schestowitz | desu: don't feed him | Jul 21 21:01 |
schestowitz | He's dangerous | Jul 21 21:01 |
desu | yeah, i guess so... | Jul 21 21:01 |
schestowitz | Trust me | Jul 21 21:01 |
desu | he's a regular at another IRC network i'm on, though... | Jul 21 21:01 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude, you're dangerous | Jul 21 21:01 |
Diablo-D3 | why else would microsoft give a shit what you say | Jul 21 21:01 |
schestowitz | I'm friendly | Jul 21 21:02 |
Diablo-D3 | not to them you're not :D | Jul 21 21:02 |
MinceR | the truth is dangerous to them | Jul 21 21:02 |
Diablo-D3 | ergo, give me microsoft oriented blog urls | Jul 21 21:02 |
schestowitz | You don't know what I meant by "Dangerous" | Jul 21 21:02 |
Diablo-D3 | I have some cheerios to piss in | Jul 21 21:02 |
schestowitz | In the literal sense | Jul 21 21:02 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: enough, please | Jul 21 21:03 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I do not have a criminal record. | Jul 21 21:03 |
Diablo-D3 | You should not imply I have one either | Jul 21 21:03 |
schestowitz | I never did | Jul 21 21:03 |
Diablo-D3 | then how do you mean dangerous in the literal sense | Jul 21 21:04 |
schestowitz | Honduras, Washington and Latin America: Doctor Jekyll and Mr. Good Neighbor < http://upsidedownworld.org/main/content/view/1978/1/ > | Jul 21 21:06 |
schestowitz | Not you, Diablo-D3l | Jul 21 21:06 |
*Diablo-D3 facepalms | Jul 21 21:07 | |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: you need to learn how to use irc. | Jul 21 21:07 |
schestowitz | <Balrog> please don't use '/the/ Ukraine' ; the 'the' isn't necessary, and those of us who are of Ukrainian heritage don't really like it. | Jul 21 22:08 |
schestowitz | I didn't know | Jul 21 22:08 |
Diablo-D3 | english sorta requires it though | Jul 21 22:25 |
Diablo-D3 | "I'm from Ukraine" doesn't work right in English. | Jul 21 22:25 |
MinceR | worksforme | Jul 21 22:45 |
trmanco | hey hey | Jul 21 23:36 |
trmanco | look what I've found | Jul 21 23:36 |
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trmanco | From: Jim Alichin | Jul 21 23:38 |
trmanco | Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:40 AM | Jul 21 23:38 |
trmanco | To: Eric Rudder | Jul 21 23:38 |
trmanco | Subject: EW: losing our way... | Jul 21 23:38 |
trmanco | Fyi: In the spirit of sharing my deep concerns, etc. Please don’t forward. | Jul 21 23:38 |
trmanco | jim | Jul 21 23:38 |
trmanco | From: Jim Alichin | Jul 21 23:38 |
trmanco | Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 8:38 AM | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | To: Bill Gates; Steve Balimer | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | Subject: losing our way... | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | Tftis is a rant. I’m sorry. | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | I am not sure how the company last sight of what matters to our customers (both | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | business and home) the most, but in my view we lost our way. I think our teams | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | lest sight of what bug-free means, what resilience means, what full scenarios mean, | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | what secur~ty means, what performance means, how important current applications | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | are, and really understanding what the most important problems are customers face | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | are. I see lots of random features and some great vision, but that doesn’t | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | translate tnto great products. | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | I would buy a Mao today if I was not working at Microsoft. :f you run the | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | equivalent of VPC on a MAC you get access to casioally all Windows application | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | software (although not the hardware) . Apple did not lose their way. You must | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | watch this new videc helow. I know this doesn’t show anything for businesses, but | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | my point is about the philosophy that Apple uses. They think scenario. They think | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | simple. They think fast. I know there is nothing hugely deep in this. | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | tttp: //www. apple. oom/ilife/videc/ilifeO432C.htm.l | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | I must tell you everything in my soul tells me that we should do what I called plan | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | ~b) yesterday. We need a simple fast storage system. LH is a pig and I don’t see | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | any solution to this problem. If we are to rise to the chsllenqe of Linux and | Jul 21 23:39 |
trmanco | Apple, we need to start takrng the lessons of “scenario, simple, fast” to heart. | Jul 21 23:40 |
trmanco | I~ | Jul 21 23:40 |
schestowitz | Old | Jul 21 23:40 |
schestowitz | I have it in BN (Wiki) | Jul 21 23:41 |
schestowitz | There's more from Allchin | Jul 21 23:41 |
trmanco | ah crap | Jul 21 23:42 |
trmanco | which ones haven't you seen? | Jul 21 23:42 |
schestowitz | See the Wiki | Jul 21 23:43 |
schestowitz | Under Apple for example | Jul 21 23:43 |
schestowitz | I have hundreds more | Jul 21 23:44 |
trmanco | yeah, seen it | Jul 21 23:45 |
trmanco | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_recommends_Apple | Jul 21 23:45 |
MinceR | allchin talks as if they ever cared or knew about performance or security | Jul 21 23:47 |
MinceR | these idiots really eat their own hype? | Jul 21 23:47 |
trmanco | Our Weapons | Jul 21 23:50 |
trmanco | ̄ Windows XP | Jul 21 23:50 |
trmanco | ̄ MPXP | Jul 21 23:50 |
trmanco | ̄ Movie Maker | Jul 21 23:50 |
trmanco | ̄ Plus! | Jul 21 23:50 |
trmanco | ̄ Etc | Jul 21 23:50 |
trmanco | ° etc | Jul 21 23:50 |
trmanco | movie maker, wtf | Jul 21 23:50 |
MinceR | plus! wow, what a weapon | Jul 21 23:51 |
trmanco | http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/7000/PX07000.pdf | Jul 21 23:52 |
schestowitz | trmanco: is it in the wiki already? | Jul 21 23:54 |
schestowitz | "Friends don't let friends use Real" | Jul 21 23:54 |
trmanco | don't know | Jul 21 23:54 |
schestowitz | trmanco: it's here: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/RealNetworks | Jul 21 23:55 |
schestowitz | I knew it was familar | Jul 21 23:55 |
trmanco | ha | Jul 21 23:56 |
trmanco | I see they really like java | Jul 21 23:56 |
schestowitz | Comes has high PageRank in BN | Jul 21 23:56 |
schestowitz | Yes, so much that they want to "piss on" it | Jul 21 23:56 |
trmanco | "steal java" | Jul 21 23:56 |
trmanco | do you have that one schestowitz ? | Jul 21 23:57 |
trmanco | I can't copy it | Jul 21 23:57 |
trmanco | http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011107/PX_2768.pdf | Jul 21 23:57 |
trmanco | "screw sun", "steal java", "cross platform will never work", these people are/were insane | Jul 21 23:59 |
schestowitz | No, too sane | Jul 22 00:01 |
schestowitz | And evil | Jul 22 00:01 |
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_Hicham_ | wwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah | Jul 22 00:45 |
schestowitz | Catharsis | Jul 22 00:48 |
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trmanco | anybody know who crazyjoefriday is? | Jul 22 11:45 |
tacone | no | Jul 22 11:46 |
tacone | troll ? | Jul 22 11:46 |
trmanco | don't think so | Jul 22 11:46 |
schestowitz | I /might/ know who that is | Jul 22 11:47 |
schestowitz | But the IPs don't align | Jul 22 11:47 |
trmanco | who? | Jul 22 11:48 |
trmanco | wong? | Jul 22 11:48 |
trmanco | it isn't | Jul 22 11:49 |
schestowitz | Nope | Jul 22 11:54 |
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trmanco | http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/8000/PX08592.pdf | Jul 22 14:46 |
trmanco | ah | Jul 22 14:46 |
trmanco | see it | Jul 22 14:46 |
trmanco | microsoft loves linux | Jul 22 14:46 |
trmanco | they even try to "debunk myths" and compare it with there stuff | Jul 22 14:47 |
schestowitz | I have it in BN as text | Jul 22 14:56 |
schestowitz | Around Jan09 | Jul 22 14:56 |
schestowitz | search site for "08592.pdf" | Jul 22 14:56 |
trmanco | ah ok | Jul 22 14:57 |
schestowitz | Olive is a lossless leader in digital audio < http://blogs.ft.com/techblog/2009/07/olive-is-a-lossless-leader-in-digital-audio/ > | Jul 22 15:02 |
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trmanco | who uses moc to play audio? :-P | Jul 22 18:36 |
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schestowitz | What’s to like? http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2009/07/12/whats-to-like/ | Jul 22 18:39 |
schestowitz | trmanco: how much RAM d'ju have? | Jul 22 18:39 |
trmanco | 1 GB | Jul 22 18:40 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu is almost 5. Wow. http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2009/07/3-years-ago-ubuntu-dapper-drake.html | Jul 22 18:44 |
schestowitz | trmanco: use gui | Jul 22 18:44 |
schestowitz | xmms | Jul 22 18:44 |
trmanco | yeah, I use audacious | Jul 22 18:44 |
trmanco | was just trying moc out | Jul 22 18:44 |
trmanco | you never know when you can be left in a console mode only | Jul 22 18:44 |
schestowitz | I use use global shortcuts (keyboard) | Jul 22 18:49 |
schestowitz | Amarok gobbles 250MB | Jul 22 18:49 |
trmanco | kde has better integration | Jul 22 18:50 |
trmanco | yeah, because of it's mysql backend | Jul 22 18:50 |
schestowitz | trmanco: new: | Jul 22 18:51 |
schestowitz | Complete Shell Audio Player for Linux Based on Ncurses: CMus [WOW!] < http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/07/complete-shell-audio-player-for-linux.html > | Jul 22 18:52 |
schestowitz | [seen seconds ago] | Jul 22 18:52 |
trmanco | they look very similar | Jul 22 18:52 |
schestowitz | Maybe same codebase | Jul 22 18:57 |
schestowitz | Lots of reuse underneath | Jul 22 18:57 |
schestowitz | GPL powa | Jul 22 18:57 |
trmanco | :-) | Jul 22 18:58 |
schestowitz | Slow Firefox 3.5 start up time < http://www.h-online.com/open/Slow-Firefox-3-5-start-up-time--/news/113757 > Is this true? | Jul 22 20:16 |
trmanco | yes, on windows | Jul 22 20:20 |
schestowitz | :-D | Jul 22 20:20 |
trmanco | I usually optimize my *.sqlite | Jul 22 20:22 |
MinceR | trmanco: Meta-Object Compiler can play audio? :> | Jul 22 20:22 |
trmanco | yeah | Jul 22 20:22 |
trmanco | no | Jul 22 20:22 |
trmanco | wait | Jul 22 20:22 |
trmanco | it's not called that is it? | Jul 22 20:22 |
trmanco | music on console MinceR | Jul 22 20:22 |
MinceR | :) | Jul 22 20:22 |
MinceR | i know the Qt moc and no other | Jul 22 20:22 |
schestowitz | Slow for some people :-( http://synergenerator.blogspot.com/2009/07/pclinuxos-phoenix-test-run.html (PCLinuxOS Phoenix Test Run ) | Jul 22 20:24 |
trmanco | schestowitz, how did you add threaded comment to you theme on bn? | Jul 22 20:45 |
schestowitz | Plugin.. Chinese one | Jul 22 20:48 |
trmanco | http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wordpress-thread-comment/installation/ | Jul 22 20:48 |
trmanco | this one? | Jul 22 20:48 |
trmanco | wordpress has it's own threading since 2.7 | Jul 22 20:49 |
schestowitz | Not compatible with the plguin I reckon | Jul 22 20:56 |
trmanco | ok | Jul 22 21:19 |
schestowitz | The Pointlessness of Google’s Chrome OS < http://www.internetling.com/2009/07/22/the-pointlessness-of-googles-chrome-os/ > | Jul 22 21:19 |
trmanco | twitter is getting on my nervs | Jul 22 21:47 |
trmanco | nerves* | Jul 22 21:47 |
trmanco | stupid site is slow | Jul 22 21:47 |
trmanco | can't they a least get a better infrastructure? geeze | Jul 22 21:48 |
schestowitz | I wonder the same | Jul 22 21:51 |
schestowitz | Digg lost me when they got messed up with errors | Jul 22 21:51 |
schestowitz | Not just the trolls | Jul 22 21:51 |
schestowitz | I would have still submitted otherwise | Jul 22 21:51 |
schestowitz | It's fixed now | Jul 22 21:51 |
schestowitz | Too late | Jul 22 21:51 |
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trmanco | oh geeze | Jul 23 11:11 |
trmanco | what a lie -> "These are folks who will berate you for buying a piece of software or owning an iPod" | Jul 23 11:11 |
trmanco | "I say enough is enough. We should put our collective feet down as far as strident demands from complete non-participants in the community go. We should say "no" to Faux FLOSS Fundamentalism, and people like Roy Schestowitz, Sam Varghese, "Penguin Pete", "Jason" of mono-nono, and the like, as well as the assortment of associated and sympathetic trolls who post endless anonymous comments to blog postings they dislike and start up flame wars | Jul 23 11:13 |
trmanco | on development lists." | Jul 23 11:13 |
schestowitz | Hypocrisy | Jul 23 11:14 |
schestowitz | Are Speakers for FOSS Actually FOSS Supporters? http://ping.fm/I29Dg | Jul 23 11:14 |
trmanco | http://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com/2009/07/real-floss-community-and-faux-floss.html | Jul 23 11:15 |
trmanco | I'm sure you have laid an eye on this, right? | Jul 23 11:15 |
trmanco | here is a reasonable response -> http://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com/2009/07/real-floss-community-and-faux-floss.html?showComment=1248296876100#c4914824465767079710 | Jul 23 11:16 |
tacone | i'm getting sick of him | Jul 23 11:22 |
tacone | http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/23/coming-out-of-the-closet/ | Jul 23 11:23 |
schestowitz | Novell and Microsoft people in his comments. Haha. | Jul 23 11:24 |
trmanco | they say "we" don't go to conferences, hell, if I lived in a damn place where conferences were naturally common, I would be there | Jul 23 11:25 |
trmanco | btw, I might go to Debian day here in Portugal :-P | Jul 23 11:26 |
trmanco | http://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com/2009/07/real-floss-community-and-faux-floss.html?showComment=1248334803532#c1878621060386614308 | Jul 23 11:27 |
trmanco | tacone, is there any, "discuss mono problems" list? | Jul 23 11:44 |
tacone | trmanco: http://mono-nono.com/bbpress/ | Jul 23 11:46 |
tacone | i think that's the best place for now. it's a forum, but a light and fast one. | Jul 23 11:46 |
trmanco | yeah, I'm already registered | Jul 23 11:46 |
tacone | http://lunduke.com/?p=730 | Jul 23 11:52 |
schestowitz | Same bunch | Jul 23 12:05 |
schestowitz | anti-RMS from the start (ages ago) | Jul 23 12:05 |
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tacone | Lefty_ left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 180 seconds). | Jul 23 13:24 |
trmanco | where? | Jul 23 13:33 |
tacone | bn irc channel | Jul 23 13:48 |
tacone | 2:38 PM | Jul 23 13:49 |
trmanco | ah ok | Jul 23 13:52 |
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schestowitz | See http://nowwhatthe.blogspot.com/2009/07/about-akademy-2009.html | Jul 23 14:32 |
schestowitz | Ah!! | Jul 23 14:33 |
schestowitz | Thank goodnewss | Jul 23 14:33 |
schestowitz | No elephant in the room, as the saying goes | Jul 23 14:33 |
schestowitz | Folks, you should see the E-mails I'm receiving. | Jul 23 14:33 |
schestowitz | The trouble's back | Jul 23 15:22 |
schestowitz | WTF: http://my.opera.com/BoycottMicrosoft/blog/ | Jul 23 15:25 |
schestowitz | THis due puts a Windows Swastika in there. Makes us look like radical groups. | Jul 23 15:25 |
schestowitz | /sue/dude/ | Jul 23 15:25 |
MinceR | schestowitz: can't you just kickban these trolls? | Jul 23 15:33 |
MinceR | at least 2 have revealed themselves already. | Jul 23 15:34 |
schestowitz | I'll give you op when he gets bored and sods off | Jul 23 15:34 |
MinceR | he won't get bored, he's a troll or an astroturfer. | Jul 23 15:35 |
schestowitz | MinceR: he's not being abusive | Jul 23 15:45 |
schestowitz | We can't ban him yet | Jul 23 15:45 |
schestowitz | I'll op you, but don't do anything | Jul 23 15:45 |
MinceR | he started being abusive long ago. | Jul 23 15:45 |
MinceR | 165253 < lefty_> kiss my ass, Mincer. | Jul 23 15:46 |
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schestowitz | Wait till next one | Jul 23 15:47 |
tacone | lefty again ? | Jul 23 15:48 |
tacone | i'm starting to think he likes you, roy | Jul 23 15:48 |
tacone | MinceR: ignore him | Jul 23 15:49 |
MinceR | i'd use the op's ignore, but schestowitz seems to want to keep him around. | Jul 23 15:49 |
tacone | wasn't him banned ? | Jul 23 15:50 |
tacone | schestowitz: why don't you ban him ? | Jul 23 15:51 |
schestowitz | Just throw him out | Jul 23 15:51 |
MinceR | so should i ban him or should i not? | Jul 23 15:51 |
schestowitz | He's starting to do the intimidation spiel | Jul 23 15:51 |
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schestowitz | Interesting claims http://www.stefanoforenza.com/interesting-claims/ | Jul 23 19:34 |
schestowitz | I have the DownloadSquad leader trolling me now repeatedly.. https://twitter.com/grobertson/status/2802818404 | Jul 23 19:44 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/grobertson/status/2790208897 | Jul 23 19:45 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/grobertson/status/2784545859 | Jul 23 19:45 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/grobertson/status/2784515643 | Jul 23 19:45 |
schestowitz | I'm not even talking to this guy | Jul 23 19:45 |
schestowitz | It's the same with some Microsoft people... | Jul 23 19:45 |
fewa | twitter has a block function for a reason | Jul 23 20:12 |
schestowitz | No, no... these are funny to see and ignore. Sometimes the OOXML goons speak among themselves like schools girls about mischievous things and then ping my account | Jul 23 20:20 |
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schestowitz | <parolang> I have to stop reading stupid blogs. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> But, there are extremists in the free software community, and people are painting all of us in that color. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> And I'm worried that maybe I'm supporting the wrong movement. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <so_solid_moo> parolang: the extreme blogs can be ignored | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> so_solid_moo: Well...what about that lefty guy on planet gnome? | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <so_solid_moo> what about him? | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> "But, there are extremists in the free software community, and people are painting all of us in that color." | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> He is one of the guys doing the painting, to the GNOME developers. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> Anyway, I think there are enough people who care about freedom. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <sdubois> is he using GIMP to do the painting? | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> But, the extremists worry me. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> heh, no idea | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> It's like that boycottnovel guy, he's a wacko | Jul 23 22:43 |
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schestowitz | <sdubois> how so? | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> How is the boycottnovel guy a wacko? | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <sdubois> yeah, what's his name? | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | parolang> Are you disagreeing with me or do you not know about him? | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <sdubois> i don't know anything about him | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <so_solid_moo> parolang: even if you don't like his opinions, calling him a wacko is a bit unfair | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> Roy Schestowitz | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> so_solid_moo: Are you saying that it's always unfair to call anyone a wacko or that it's unfair to call *him* a wacko? | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <so_solid_moo> parolang: not always, but usually. It's a very easy way to dismiss people's opinions. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> My opinion is based on considering his views and finding them delusional. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> parolang: hi | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <sdubois> parolang: can you give me an example of him being a wacko | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <sdubois> his site is kind of cluttered | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> schestowitz: hi, didn't realize that you're here | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> schestowitz: Please, stop being a wacko :) | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> Lefty is anti-FS | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> Look back at history | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> They smear FS people... RMS too | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> I agree the guy is a demagogue and he's continuing on way to long with this. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> But, I don't see him being anti-FS. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> He bombards my blog with comments | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> Over 100/day soemtimes | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> Obsession | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> schestowitz: And you need to stop with the paranoia and the conspiracy theories and the insinuations. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> schestowitz: There are a few things you say that I liked, but they are getting fewer and fewer. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> Examples, please? | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> Examples of things I liked? | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <popey> hi so_solid_moo :) | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <so_solid_moo> o/ | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | * so_solid_moo passes the popcorn | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <popey> *chink* | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> schestowitz: I liked when you talked about GNU users trying to defend their own territory. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> schestowitz: Because that's exactly what it is. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> And that's why we're afraid of Microsoft. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> schestowitz: But here's the difference. I'm not *anti-Mono*. I'm anti Microsoft and anti proprietary software. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> schestowitz: I think de Izaca does believe in free software principles. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> Mono empowers Microsoft | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> It represents a threat | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> schestowitz: I think he's mistaken, but that's a difference of opinion. | Jul 23 22:43 |
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schestowitz | <jemarch> re gnudists | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> see mono-nono site | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <so_solid_moo> just in time for fun, jemarch | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> schestowitz: mono-nono is a lot more sober than you are | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> parolang: he does | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> But he's misled | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <jemarch> so_solid_moo: mono fun? | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> schestowitz: Well, he need to have a little more empathy for people whose hearts are in the right place | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> eh, sorry if the rest of you consider spam | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> *this spam | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <sdubois> schestowitz: thanks for all the [News] in comp.os.linux.advocacy :P | Jul 23 22:43 |
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schestowitz | <so_solid_moo> speaking of spam :D | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <sdubois> i don't mind it | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <sdubois> it' | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <sdubois> s just, a lot | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> sdubois: yw | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> schestowitz: A greater threat to the free software community than Microsoft's patents on mono technology is this false antagonism that creates a divide *within* the community. We're all on the same side here, even if we disagree on how to advance the cause. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> There was always friction | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> schestowitz: I'm *afraid* that the users of Ubuntu and GNOME are going to find out the hard way, but that doesn't mean I have anything against the Ubunutu and GNOME people, or the developers. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> That's nothing new; intensity may vary | Jul 23 22:43 |
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schestowitz | <parolang> schestowitz: Well, you have to distinguish between the uncompromising approach of RMS, playing "bad cop" and often winning, and making out that everyone who isn't for us is against us. | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | <parolang> Anyway, gotta go, afk | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | === | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | gfrom #gnu | Jul 23 22:43 |
schestowitz | Lefty's smears | Jul 23 22:44 |
oiaohm | As I had said he has tunnel version. | Jul 23 22:47 |
MinceR | vision | Jul 23 22:47 |
trmanco | that was lefty? | Jul 23 22:48 |
schestowitz | No. | Jul 23 22:49 |
schestowitz | But he's looking for dirt | Jul 23 22:49 |
schestowitz | Don't feed him, ever | Jul 23 22:49 |
trmanco | he is just another guy with his opinion | Jul 23 22:49 |
schestowitz | Trying to kill others' | Jul 23 22:50 |
trmanco | so what about microsoft's results? | Jul 23 22:50 |
trmanco | nothing? | Jul 23 22:50 |
schestowitz | What do you mean? | Jul 23 22:51 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/23/microsoft-results-analysis-09/ | Jul 23 22:51 |
trmanco | I've seen it on cola | Jul 23 22:52 |
trmanco | yeah, that was it | Jul 23 22:52 |
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fewa | dell only has 1 ubuntu-running computer in dell outlet | Jul 23 23:08 |
fewa | a few weeks ago they had at least 100 | Jul 23 23:08 |
schestowitz | Tiago Manco < relative? | Jul 23 23:47 |
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trmanco | yeah | Jul 24 00:03 |
trmanco | my cousin | Jul 24 00:03 |
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schestowitz | Just got this long message: | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | "Okay, a lot has been said on this blog, and there is some that I approve of, and a great deal that concerns me, and all of it brings up a lot of thoughts about my own feelings and loyalties. People are not the same, and have opinions that are all across the spectrum. But what concerns me most right now is how one person in particular seems to be painting a lot of us with the same brush, and more importantly, how there mig | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | ht be a kernel of truth to it. | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | Let me tell you about myself. I call the operating system GNU/Linux out of pride and respect for the GNU Project. I call it "free software", because I believe it is exactly the freedom component of this operating system that makes it special. And I have a great deal | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | of admiration for Richard Stallman and for what he has been able to accomplish. | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | All the same, I think that in the free software community the lines between advocacy and zealotry are often crossed too easily. I find many of the conclusions that Roy here jumps to hasty, and this concerns me. And this only serves to support many of the things that critics has been saying, and puts me in a position where I don't know if I dislike what they have been saying because the statements are false or because I wis | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | h they weren't true. But first let me put up a few points of agreement." | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | "DEGREES OF SEXISM | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | Apparently, a lot of this controversy started due to a poorly performed joke that RMS made at a conference to GNOME and KDE developers. I think the details of this joke, and why it has been found offensive, have been nit-picked to death, so I won't get into it here. But calling RMS sexist, or even continuing to insinuate that the man is sexist, I think really requires some perspective. In fact, lets begin a list starting | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | from the most sexist thing you can do to least, and see where RMS's joke belongs on this ladder. | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | 1. Rape and physical abuse of women. | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | 2. Instituting laws and rules that take away the rights of women. | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | 3. Discrimination as an employer or leader of an organization. | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | 4. Misogyny. | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | 5. Emotional abuse or tormenting of women. | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | 6. Acting on sexist stereotypes. | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | 7. Treating women as physical objects (e.g., of lust). | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | 8. Mean-spirited jokes directed at women. | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | 9. A poorly worded joke said at a conference that makes women feel uncomfortable. | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | 10. Using the words "he" and "his" as a gender neutral pronoun. | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | So, where does RMS fall in this list? By a lot of the comments I've been hearing, I would get the impression that RMS has made an offense somewhere near the top of this list. But actually, I'd put RMS at level 9 of sexism. | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | " | Jul 24 14:58 |
schestowitz | "Now, contrary to what Roy and others have said, I actually don't scorn critics at all for speaking up about this. If they believe this was a serious lapse of etiquette, then it is their right to speak up about their feelings on the matter. And if women are offended by this because they are women, then I think they should also speak up. That's fine, but so long as you see it as a violation of etiquette rather than somethi | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | ng worse. Again, you need perspective. | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | At best, I would consider the event embarrasing for the free software community. But there are other messages out there that are saying that he free software community needs to move on, or that we should abandon free software principles and endorse the apathy of Linus | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | Torvalds. Well, I disagree. But if I'm embarrassed by the event, why would I still admire this man? | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | DEGREES OF SUPPORTING THE CAUSE | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | To understand, lets look at another list, this time in the reverse direction. We all support the free software movement, don't we? If you don't, then none of this should matter to you. But here are ways of supporting the free software community in order to least effective to most effective. | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | 10. Chatting about "Linux" on IRC, twitter, blogs, and web forums. | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | 9. Installing GNU/Linux on your own computer, and telling others about it. | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | 8. Helping other people install GNU/Linux. | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | 7. Writing fixing bugs and contributing documentation to the community. | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | 6. Helping new users install and run free software on their computes. | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | 5. Working on a minor free software application and contributing it to the pool. | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | 4. Working on a major free software application and contributing it to the pool. | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | 3. Working on a high priority application and contributing it to the pool. | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | 2. Starting and leading a major free software desktop project for the purpose preventing the free software community depending on a proprietary toolkit being used by a competing project. | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | 1. Quitting your job, starting the GNU Project, begin working on the basic free software needed f | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | or the development of an operating system, establish the legal foundation for free software by writing the licensing, start the Free Software Foundation to give the community a legal backbone, stay true to your principles, never compromise, never give in, and take abuse from members of the community for doing exactly what it takes to win." | Jul 24 14:59 |
schestowitz | "Okay, so I'm biased. Number 1 is obviously RMS, but for the sake of the cause that *I* support, there is no one more deserving of that slot. But notice who Number 2 is? Come on, does anyone remember their history? That's right, the leader of the dreaded Mono project | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | was also the instigater of the GNOME project. In fact, even before GNOME, Miguel de Izaca was a GNU developer and contributed GNU software like the Midnight Commander. Then, while developing GNOME, he started a company developing and supporting free software. Now why would he have gone to all this hassle if Miguel didn't care about free software principles? Come on, people! when a contradiction is staring at you square i | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | n the face, admit to it! Reason with it! Learn from it! | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | I don't know de Izaca personally, but in all probability he likely *still* believes in free software principles. But, you ask, how is this possible when Mono is this huge threat to the free software community? First, remind yourself that Mono software is all distributed under free software licenses. Even now, working for Novel, Miguel is writing free software. Could it be, just maybe, that Miguel disagrees with the paten | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | t situation?" | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | "WHERE WE STAND | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | And that's the thing, people have the *right* to disagree. But even more importantly, *consult your lawyers!* This is, fundamentally, a legal question, and one that people uneducated in law should stay out of. I trust the opinion of the SFLC and the FSF, they have been the | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | legal backbone of the free software community from the beginning. And, I know that Canonical has consulted their lawyers, and Red Hat has consulted their lawyers, and so on and so forth. That's what everyone should be doing. | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | But in certain respects, patent problems isn't anything new to the free software community. They are a huge problem because the patent process rewards the person who first patented the idea at the expense of your average free software developer who doesn't care about getting | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | an intellectual monopoly over a particular technique. So the .NET framework isn't anything new in that respect. If all else was equal, this would be just another case of crossing the bridge when we get there. | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | I'm as worried about Microsoft as the next GNU/Linux user. But *hatred* of them is simply foolish at this point. There is nothing personal about Microsoft. They are a company in search of profit, and they are using everything they can to achieve that goal. This makes companies remarkably predictable in this respect." | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | "But there are a few things we know about Microsoft. We know that free software is a direct competitor to Microsoft software. We know that free software has already cost Microsoft an untold amount of money. We know that the GNU/Linux system commoditizes the products that | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is trying to profit by. We know that the free software community is on their crosshairs. | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | It's one thing to be paranoid, it's quite another to *know* they are out to get you. But we shouldn't be fanatical. We shouldn't be afraid. We should just...*breathe*. We don't have to fight Microsoft. All we need to do is to continue working with the GNU project, the Free Software Foundation, the GNOME and KDE projects, and all the other wonderful free software projects out there to create a more perfect system. Build | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | a solid foundation and no one can break you." | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | "KNOW WHO THE ENEMIES ARE | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | But what we don't need here is this *false antagonism* that is being spread around, from blog to blog, dividing the community, creating animosity between people writing software under the same set of licenses. *We're all on the same side here.* Aren't we? The Mono | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | team isn't the enemy here. If Mono turns out being patent encumbered, then we will learn we just can't use their software. The free software community has dealt with worse before. I'm not going to encourage the use of Mono myself, but if other people have different | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | legal opinions, and believe they are safe from Microsoft, then I hope they're right! But know who our enemies really are: Microsoft and proprietary software. *Not* free software developers! Even if you think their lawyers aren't as smart as your lawyers :) | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | I know a while back there was this meme on Planet GNOME that said "I'm not afraid of people writing code" and because that meme spread widely that is pretty sad, really. It's a consequence of this false antagonism that I'm talking about. Be honest. Be sincere. Be true about your feelings, and you won't have any opinions worth spreading a meme about: | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | I'm afraid of software patents and Microsoft." | Jul 24 15:00 |
schestowitz | END | Jul 24 15:00 |
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trmanco | http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/24/on-linus-and-free-software/comment-page-1/#comment-635 | Jul 24 19:24 |
trmanco | it's still awaiting moderation | Jul 24 19:25 |
trmanco | I don't really do comments, but this was an exception :-) | Jul 24 19:25 |
tacone | until it get approved we can't see it :) | Jul 24 19:28 |
trmanco | yeah I know | Jul 24 19:30 |
trmanco | wan't my cookie | Jul 24 19:30 |
trmanco | ? | Jul 24 19:30 |
trmanco | it might work :-P | Jul 24 19:30 |
tacone | paste it on a pastebin | Jul 24 19:31 |
trmanco | http://open-mania.pastebin.com/m61bbd6c6 | Jul 24 19:33 |
trmanco | I have a private one :-P | Jul 24 19:33 |
tacone | pft :) | Jul 24 19:36 |
tacone | lemme read | Jul 24 19:36 |
trmanco | what do you mean? | Jul 24 19:36 |
tacone | pft for the "private" pastebin | Jul 24 19:37 |
tacone | nice point. well, it's easy to find reasons to hate microsoft btw :) | Jul 24 19:37 |
trmanco | :) | Jul 24 19:37 |
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fewa | MinceR, kick _Mutex_ | Jul 25 07:34 |
fewa | we need more ops... | Jul 25 07:35 |
fewa | why the hell isnt *.nsw.bigpond.net.au banned? | Jul 25 07:38 |
fewa | <Trials> is _Mutex_ | Jul 25 08:19 |
fewa | * [Trials] (n=teddy2@CPE-58-164-16-203.nsw.bigpond.net.au): ttf | Jul 25 08:19 |
oiaohm | Because nsw.bigpond.net.au could block me from connecting when I am down south fewa | Jul 25 08:43 |
oiaohm | ie nsw is a complete state of australia | Jul 25 08:43 |
schestowitz | fewa: yea, we have to judge by style, not just ISP | Jul 25 08:46 |
schestowitz | He has a very distinct taste | Jul 25 08:46 |
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trmanco | schestowitz, have you updated wordpress yet? | Jul 25 12:53 |
schestowitz | Yes, last night | Jul 25 12:53 |
schestowitz | Manually | Jul 25 12:53 |
trmanco | ah ok | Jul 25 12:54 |
schestowitz | I've also caught up with news, so I'm delighted. I will do Comes shortly. | Jul 25 12:54 |
trmanco | because the exploit has been released to the wild | Jul 25 12:54 |
schestowitz | I can imagine. | Jul 25 12:54 |
trmanco | http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/9250 | Jul 25 12:54 |
schestowitz | Stacy 3monkeys has been cracked | Jul 25 12:54 |
trmanco | what's that? | Jul 25 12:55 |
schestowitz | [boycottn@boycottnovell ~]$ uname -a | Jul 25 12:55 |
schestowitz | Linux boycottnovell.com 2.6.18-128.1.10.el5xen #1 SMP Thu May 7 11:07:18 EDT 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | Jul 25 12:55 |
schestowitz | trmanco: old buddy from Digg | Jul 25 12:55 |
schestowitz | Back when I was a 'star' in Digg (2006) he was there too | Jul 25 12:55 |
trmanco | hmmm | Jul 25 12:55 |
schestowitz | We still speak sometimes. He'sin DZone now | Jul 25 12:55 |
schestowitz | Looks like DDOS exploit | Jul 25 13:00 |
schestowitz | From a cursory look | Jul 25 13:00 |
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fewa | <oiaohm> ie nsw is a complete state of australia | Jul 25 16:23 |
fewa | ahh | Jul 25 16:23 |
fewa | new south wales | Jul 25 16:23 |
fewa | new sourth wales/telstra | Jul 25 16:24 |
fewa | <Guest123> is in new sourth wales/telstra | Jul 25 17:48 |
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trmanco | http://bluwiki.com/go/Ipodhash/Takedown | Jul 25 18:04 |
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schestowitz | "Update: It seems I'm not the only one connecting the dots here. Note the numerous trolling comments at the end of the article by someone called "Lefty", repeating over and over his favorite quote from Torvalds. It seems we may have victim number three: Sam Varghese." | Jul 25 20:11 |
schestowitz | http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2009/07/free-open-source-software-evangelist.html | Jul 25 20:11 |
schestowitz | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=the_beez_nails_it&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Jul 25 20:11 |
schestowitz | People see what's up[ | Jul 25 20:11 |
schestowitz | http://discuss.itwire.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=14668&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=77 "I would add to David's previous comment that any post that attempts to slander or defame any person's character in these forums will be deleted in whole or part. Calling someone a pathological liar for instance is not acceptable on this site. The offending poster will be warned and if the behaviour persists, the poster will be prevented from postin | Jul 25 20:20 |
schestowitz | g directly to the forum." | Jul 25 20:20 |
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schestowitz | pwnage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5INo7W2P-Jk&NR=1 | Jul 25 23:11 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQHR-z3anio&NR=1 | Jul 25 23:18 |
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trmanco | hey look -> http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-behind-the-scenes-btjunkie-090725/ | Jul 26 20:21 |
trmanco | ubuntu is there | Jul 26 20:21 |
trmanco | wow | Jul 26 20:30 |
trmanco | way to go bing | Jul 26 20:30 |
trmanco | it gives 0.33% of my visits | Jul 26 20:30 |
trmanco | while google gives me over 67% | Jul 26 20:31 |
schestowitz | Bda bing | Jul 26 20:33 |
schestowitz | ANd Bing is just MSN/Live | Jul 26 20:33 |
schestowitz | Renamed in a way | Jul 26 20:33 |
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schestowitz | Fan mail: | Jul 27 11:43 |
schestowitz | "To my friend, Roy, | Jul 27 11:43 |
schestowitz | You, Shane and Slated, amongst others (Stallman, Perens, Raymond, Ken Stark, the list is long), have been an inspiration to us, (the boots on the ground) *** has filled me in a quick email which has gone in a round-about fashion to get to me since where I'm at, no electronic communication is currently available. Currently, we're in a small celebration due to a private battle of sorts against a logging company which was tryin | Jul 27 11:43 |
schestowitz | g to clear forest land in ***'s hometown. | Jul 27 11:43 |
schestowitz | Our small group (*** and myself) of militants or activists, for want of a better description, have access to each other's email so I ask *** to forward this to you. We are poor in material things, but rich in comraderie and substance. We are the people the main stream press forgets until we get in the way of so called progress. Nevertheless, we live what we believe in and expout. | Jul 27 11:43 |
schestowitz | You, Shane and Slated's blogs opened up, like a gateway, areas of knowledge and information that we would have never found out about (it reminds me of the movie Matrix-the blue pill vs. the red pill). According to *** your website is under attack (DDoS and trolls) for saying what wrongs, abuses and criminal acts are being committed by corporations and main stream media. He also says that a possible paid troll may tie your we | Jul 27 11:43 |
schestowitz | bsite and yourself in litigation. | Jul 27 11:43 |
schestowitz | You must be doing something right when you're attacked in such fashion. | Jul 27 11:43 |
schestowitz | But this is the crux of the message intended for you. No matter what happens, you have our complete support bar none. Please do not think this is just talk, we're willing to put our money where it can be useful. I've offered before and will continue offering without attribution, just knowing amongst ourselves that we did right where a wrong was inflicted is good enough for us." | Jul 27 11:43 |
schestowitz | \______ \ ____ ___.__. ____ _____/ |__/ |_ \ \ _______ __ ____ | | | | | Jul 27 13:17 |
schestowitz | | | _// _ < | |/ ___\/ _ \ __\ __\/ | \ / _ \ \/ // __ \| | | | | Jul 27 13:17 |
schestowitz | | | ( <_> )___ \ \__( <_> ) | | | / | ( <_> ) /\ ___/| |_| |__ | Jul 27 13:17 |
schestowitz | |______ /\____// ____|\___ >____/|__| |__| \____|__ /\____/ \_/ \___ >____/____/ | Jul 27 13:17 |
schestowitz | \/ \/ \/ | Jul 27 13:17 |
oiaohm | Pitty ascii art does not live threw the font I am using. | Jul 27 13:19 |
MinceR | i think this isn't only a font issue -- what i see is pretty messy too | Jul 27 13:29 |
MinceR | even though i use a fixed-width font | Jul 27 13:29 |
MinceR | and i see no tabs (which don't work in irssi) | Jul 27 13:29 |
schestowitz | SOmone made this last year | Jul 27 13:32 |
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trmanco | look great | Jul 27 14:22 |
trmanco | looks* | Jul 27 14:22 |
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schestowitz | Someone mailed me this: | Jul 27 17:53 |
schestowitz | "I find this hypocrisy revealing, since he accused you of deleting posts, etc.. | Jul 27 17:54 |
schestowitz | Having read Lefty's posts on his own blog the only way I can reconcile my views with his is if I totally ignore everything Microsoft has done in the past as meaningless, and turn a blind eye to everything Microsoft and its proxies are doing now as they continue to attack Linux and FOSS. | Jul 27 17:54 |
schestowitz | Doing that, and viewing Microsoft as only a "publicly owned company", and ignore that I then can join Lefty in praising all things MONO/Microsoft. Of course, by adopting that attitude I could have also viewed Exxon and Dick Lay in the same light. Of course, "publicly owned" does NOT equate to publicly run. | Jul 27 17:54 |
schestowitz | Microsoft is not a democracy, and while Ballmer reports to the significant stockholders (those who control the votes) he runs the company as he sees fit. He and Gates created the "Technical Evangelists" gang, headed up by James Plamondon, and they continue to support that gang, even if they've obscured its membership by calling all their sales reps by the same name. | Jul 27 17:54 |
schestowitz | Here is the breakdown on who owns Microsoft: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=MSFT At 739 million shares (about 8%) Bill Gates holds twice that of the next largest holder, Barclays Global Investors UK Holdings Ltd, at 340 million shares. | Jul 27 17:54 |
schestowitz | "when they post msgs that disagree with his opinions. | Jul 27 17:54 |
schestowitz | I found "Lefty"'s page because Hans Bezemer referenced it in his defense of RMS and his questions about the safety of using MONO: | Jul 27 17:54 |
schestowitz | http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2009/07/free-open-source-software-evangelist.html | Jul 27 17:54 |
schestowitz | and now "Lefty" has taken up the task of attacking Hans with the usual accusations and diatribes. | Jul 27 17:54 |
schestowitz | On Lefty's blog they are having a "love feast" self-congratulatory postings over what Linus said, even though Linus wasn't talking about MONO. Their arrogance is astounding as they equate their views as "sophisticated" and those who oppose them as "haters" of whom Lefty says "need to be made to stop it, by all appropriate means". | Jul 27 17:54 |
schestowitz | Nice way to get rid of opposing view points -- classify them as "haters" when they remind people Microsoft's past and present corrupt activities, then demand they be muzzled, especially from Microsoft's point of veiw." | Jul 27 17:54 |
schestowitz | See the comments and updates | Jul 27 17:55 |
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schestowitz | Blyk goes bye-bye < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/27/bye_bye_blyk/ > | Jul 27 20:49 |
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schestowitz | "I see some interesting comments there. Here is one from "John Dragoon": | Jul 28 07:17 |
schestowitz | http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/27/novell-comments-on-microsoft-contributions/comment-page-1/#comment-749 | Jul 28 07:17 |
schestowitz | I wonder if he is the same one who posts as "JohnD" on BN." | Jul 28 07:17 |
schestowitz | "Also, here is a much earlier post which is a responce to Dafty: | Jul 28 07:17 |
schestowitz | http://mono-nono.com/2009/07/12/and-the-knives-come-out/#comment-277 | Jul 28 07:17 |
schestowitz | I had not read this before and it gives some insight into why Dafty has decided that Jason should be lumped in with the "Mark Fink brigade." It's the same story as "Penguin Pete". He posted asking for support, he was rebuffed and, voila, he then smears the one who refused to support him. Also, it shows that Jason had some juicy items in his moderation queue which he decided against posting on grounds that he was "...quite | Jul 28 07:17 |
schestowitz | honestly scared to even start researching"." | Jul 28 07:17 |
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fewa | <BlackDog> is telstra | Jul 28 09:20 |
fewa | * [BlackDog] (n=teddy2@121.213.206.105): ttf | Jul 28 09:20 |
fewa | and same nickname | Jul 28 09:20 |
fewa | schestowitz, | Jul 28 09:24 |
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schestowitz | TUend out the stove is out of order probably because of a blown fuse only. I hate cold food :-| | Jul 28 20:01 |
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fewa | somebody needs to work on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Microsoft_Open_Specification_Promise&limit=500 | Jul 29 09:06 |
fewa | The shills spend alot of time spamming patent FUD | Jul 29 09:07 |
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schestowitz | The troll carries on attacking FSF/SFLC: http://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-gpl-and-nonsense-from-folks.html | Jul 29 13:01 |
schestowitz | From the comments: "Lefty, I don't need standing to point out that the terms of the GPL were violated. The terms of the GPL are clear. You are spreading bad information." | Jul 29 13:01 |
trmanco | yeah | Jul 29 13:02 |
trmanco | I lad of mine (portuguese) pointed it to me earlier | Jul 29 13:02 |
schestowitz | He's obsessed with BN | Jul 29 13:02 |
trmanco | I only read a couple of paragraphs though | Jul 29 13:02 |
trmanco | skipped to the comment | Jul 29 13:03 |
trmanco | http://twitter.com/#search?q=Microsoft-Yahoo | Jul 29 13:04 |
trmanco | micrhoo it part of the twitter trend | Jul 29 13:04 |
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schestowitz | http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2009/07/free-open-source-software-evangelist.html "Update: Although he comes from "a family of lawyers", "Lefty" admits breaking the law by publishing Richard Stallman's emails. In short, his daddy might have some pro deo work on his hands in the near future if RMS decides to sue him. Go get 'em, Dick! " | Jul 29 20:15 |
schestowitz | "RMS told me in email he isn't even interested in speaking about any of this 'sexism'/emails controversy, he says it will only draw more attention to it." | Jul 29 20:23 |
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schestowitz | Hmmmmm :-)( | Jul 29 20:57 |
schestowitz | "I'm unable to log in to BoycottNovell's Wordpress. I've even tried | Jul 29 20:57 |
schestowitz | resetting the password. | Jul 29 20:57 |
schestowitz | I'll look into it in what little additional depth I can tomorrow. | Jul 29 20:57 |
schestowitz | Keep up the great work and always remember to give a nod (URL) to the | Jul 29 20:57 |
schestowitz | original technologies that M$ wants to drown out." | Jul 29 20:57 |
schestowitz | Maybe I suspended the wrong accounts... highly improbable | Jul 29 20:57 |
schestowitz | "I have had not much time as of late, I´m sorry I dont comment too much in BN but vote on the posts and give them thumbs up. Seems the pro-microsoft had a better place to try to get the facts right (conrol of information) and is the mono-nono.com site." | Jul 29 22:41 |
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**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 30 08:24:00 2009 | ||
*Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Jul 30 08:24 | |
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Jul 30 08:24 | |
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Jul 30 08:24 | |
schestowitz | Swedes miss Capri after GPS gaffe http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8173308.stm | Jul 30 08:30 |
fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol5IrnYIfI0 | Jul 30 09:13 |
fewa | The Billboard Liberation Front today announced a major new advertising improvement campaign executed on behalf of clients AT&T and the National Security Agency. Focusing on billboards in the San Francisco area, this improvement action is designed to promote and celebrate the innovative collaboration of these two global communications giants. | Jul 30 09:13 |
fewa | "This campaign is an extraordinary rendition of a public-private partnership," observed BLF spokesperson Blank DeCoverly. "These two titans of telecom have a long and intimate relationship, dating back to the age of the telegraph. In these dark days of Terrorism, that should be a comfort to every law-abiding citizen with nothing to hide." | Jul 30 09:13 |
schestowitz | Cute picture; http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/07/30/Prairie-Dog | Jul 30 09:30 |
fewa | There are tons of those thing near Devil's Mount National Monument, aka a close encounter of a third kind | Jul 30 09:48 |
schestowitz | third kind=LSD | Jul 30 09:48 |
schestowitz | Hallucinations | Jul 30 09:48 |
fewa | the movie featured the place | Jul 30 09:48 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1MuT_KSOo4 | Jul 30 09:49 |
fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devils_Tower_National_Monument | Jul 30 09:49 |
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schestowitz | bbl | Jul 30 15:15 |
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schestowitz | I am going to move into an apartment with better view and higher away from pollution in 3-4 weeks :-) | Jul 30 17:39 |
tacone1 | that's good for you | Jul 30 17:39 |
trmanco | microsoft plants more shit in Portugal - http://www.jornaldenegocios.pt/index.php?template=SHOWNEWS&id=380216 | Jul 30 17:52 |
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trmanco | http://tek.sapo.pt/noticias/negocios/aliancas_da_microsoft_decididas_em_portugal_1009160.html | Jul 30 17:56 |
schestowitz | What dos it say? | Jul 30 18:00 |
trmanco | it says that microsoft is going to create a unit of global alliances with HQ in portugal | Jul 30 18:02 |
schestowitz | Thanks. | Jul 30 18:06 |
schestowitz | MI5 website vuln builds mountain out of molehill < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/30/mi5_website_vuln/ > | Jul 30 18:13 |
schestowitz | One Stimulus Response: Fake News < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8478 > | Jul 30 18:48 |
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fewa | kik cj | Jul 31 00:52 |
fewa | personal attacks deserve kicking | Jul 31 00:53 |
fewa | <cj> haha. if you visit http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7439/1.html and forward-search for "ass" you find a reference to schestowitz | Jul 31 00:53 |
fewa | mwh, your choice | Jul 31 00:54 |
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schestowitz | We have stalkers: http://verofakto.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-wacky-web-we-weave.html | Jul 31 10:18 |
schestowitz | Also this: http://verofakto.blogspot.com/2009/07/what-lies-beneath.html | Jul 31 10:19 |
tacone | alias elektroshock ? | Jul 31 10:19 |
schestowitz | Could this be an attack blog from who I think it is? | Jul 31 10:20 |
schestowitz | Cause he used to have many anonymous attack blogs | Jul 31 10:21 |
schestowitz | Against other people | Jul 31 10:21 |
schestowitz | So there's history here. | Jul 31 10:23 |
tacone | believe its lefty | Jul 31 10:25 |
tacone | just a guess. | Jul 31 10:25 |
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trmanco | oh linux.com | Jul 31 12:52 |
trmanco | on* | Jul 31 12:52 |
schestowitz | WHat about it? | Jul 31 12:56 |
trmanco | I marked as spam a guy who criticized you, accidentally. His post was hosted on linux.com | Jul 31 13:09 |
schestowitz | Which guy? | Jul 31 13:10 |
schestowitz | Trackback? | Jul 31 13:11 |
schestowitz | There is one BN hater who writes in the linux.com blog thing | Jul 31 13:11 |
trmanco | jon reagan | Jul 31 13:12 |
trmanco | http://blog.jjtcomputing.co.uk/2009/07/29/arch-linux-2009-02/ | Jul 31 13:14 |
trmanco | I might change to this distro | Jul 31 13:14 |
trmanco | it's more up do date | Jul 31 13:14 |
trmanco | it's how i like things | Jul 31 13:14 |
trmanco | bleeding edge I guess | Jul 31 13:14 |
trmanco | the next snapshot should be here soon, right? | Jul 31 13:15 |
trmanco | meh | Jul 31 13:15 |
trmanco | wrong channel | Jul 31 13:15 |
schestowitz | Regarding that attack blog, I hear that "it has the ring of [that person], def. someone else is also working on it though, its collaborative, IMHO. he always has little toadies and flunkies, though." | Jul 31 13:33 |
trmanco | http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2009/Jul/1022630.html | Jul 31 13:42 |
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schestowitz | We might have some leaks on VMware soon: | Jul 31 22:21 |
schestowitz | "Well, I don't know what you can do with so little I provided but I'm in a process of getting together more information as they completely failed to address unjustified firing in my case." | Jul 31 22:21 |
schestowitz | "I'm still waiting for a response from one lawyer to see if they'll do anything at all. They re-offered me a separation agreement twice since January. One month pay is too little for 9 months of mental torture under incompetent bully boss, my long hours on Christmas day, New Year when I was covering for a coworker on vacation, and other issues. Not enough to keep my mouth shut. So chances are you'll hear from me some more." | Jul 31 22:21 |
schestowitz | "For now let's keep it anonymised and later perhaps we'll be able to use some names. I still have connections back in the company and am even exploring a possibility to start a website where people could post anonymously or include any documents exposing fraud that they turned out to be." | Jul 31 22:21 |
fewa | http://wikileaks.org | Jul 31 22:23 |
schestowitz | I know. | Jul 31 22:24 |
fewa | they know what they are doing | Jul 31 22:25 |
schestowitz | It's VMware | Jul 31 22:26 |
schestowitz | The Microsoft-dominated one | Jul 31 22:27 |
fewa | just look at the first screen-shot http://www.vmware.com/products/ws/screens.html | Jul 31 22:27 |
fewa | so obviously put there by a microsoft person | Jul 31 22:27 |
fewa | http://www.vmware.com/files/images/screens_workstation/snapshots_large.jpg | Jul 31 22:27 |
fewa | well not completely obvious | Jul 31 22:28 |
fewa | but trying to take attention away from browser anti-trust stuff | Jul 31 22:28 |
schestowitz | Unlikely | Jul 31 22:37 |
schestowitz | Just Windows being ubiquitous, one might argue | Jul 31 22:37 |
fewa | but why the browser thing being centerpiece? | Jul 31 22:37 |
fewa | just first thought? | Jul 31 22:38 |
fewa | yeah ur prob right | Jul 31 22:38 |
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