schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/can-you-boycott-a-boycott | Oct 01 00:19 |
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schestowitz | Why do they even feed this? | Oct 01 00:19 |
trmanco | bunch of schools kids | Oct 01 00:22 |
trmanco | have you seen how some write? | Oct 01 00:22 |
trmanco | "BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA" | Oct 01 00:23 |
trmanco | "ZOMGITSFROMTEHMICROSOFTZIES" | Oct 01 00:23 |
trmanco | this stuff remind me of cola trolls | Oct 01 00:23 |
trmanco | they have their similarities... I guess the all work for the same people | Oct 01 00:23 |
schestowitz | Full disclosure: I provide community consulting services for a number of clients, including at the moment Microsoft and Groundwork. You will see me comment on my work from time to time, and I will always disclose who's paying me. | Oct 01 00:29 |
schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/please-allow-me-to-introduce-myself | Oct 01 00:29 |
schestowitz | very first item on the agenda is an attack on Boycott Novell | Oct 01 00:30 |
schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/39986 | Oct 01 00:36 |
schestowitz | Why Mark Shuttleworth Owes FOSS-Women an Apology http://www.junauza.com/2009/09/why-mark-shuttleworth-owes-foss-women.html | Oct 01 00:47 |
schestowitz | Changing The Conversation - "I am tired of seemingly only ever reading about the topic of women in Open Source within the context of a conflict scenario which typically spawns a spat over whether specific behaviour is deemed offensive or not. It feels like the topic has become very one-dimensional." | Oct 01 00:48 |
schestowitz | http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/09/30/changing-the-conversation/ | Oct 01 00:49 |
schestowitz | Shuttleworth employee calls boss's remark sexist http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28081/1090/ | Oct 01 00:56 |
MinceR | btw vcent is from bigpond/telstra | Oct 01 07:18 |
schestowitz | It's Mutex. I knew from the start. | Oct 01 09:04 |
schestowitz | > Regarding the 'hater' label. It's another form of ad hominem attack. | Oct 01 09:24 |
schestowitz | > Best leave that to a FAQ and stop writing about it. M$ shills dust it | Oct 01 09:24 |
schestowitz | > off any time they need a distraction from other activities, something | Oct 01 09:24 |
schestowitz | > embarrassing or generally better off (for them) with out scrutiny. | Oct 01 09:24 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 01 09:25 |
schestowitz | > The label has been around for years, I remember it being used against | Oct 01 09:25 |
schestowitz | > all technical criticism even more than ten years ago. In short, if you | Oct 01 09:25 |
schestowitz | > have document the problems, they see that they are in the wrong and then | Oct 01 09:25 |
schestowitz | > start the name calling. It's *very* hard not to get dragged in. I've | Oct 01 09:25 |
schestowitz | > watched many otherwise clever people fall for it, and even myself have | Oct 01 09:25 |
schestowitz | > fallen for it. | Oct 01 09:25 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 01 09:25 |
schestowitz | > That isn't to say, however, that any of the activities of the members of | Oct 01 09:25 |
schestowitz | > Microsoft should be tolerated. But for a solution to that you will have | Oct 01 09:25 |
schestowitz | > to turn to methods of dealing with white collar crime and or organized | Oct 01 09:25 |
schestowitz | > crime, which is what you appear to be going up against. | Oct 01 09:25 |
schestowitz | Yes, I wish to have this stuff documented so that I can point to it rather than repeat it. BTW, I'll be on FLOSS Weekly in 2 weeks | Oct 01 09:25 |
schestowitz | http://www.twit.tv/FLOSS | Oct 01 09:25 |
schestowitz | They'll probably try to trip me up | Oct 01 09:25 |
schestowitz | Leo and Jono... trying to make me look "radical" (hopefully not). I'm on the Internet all the time,just trying to make a difference for matters such as rights, freedom, and digital autonomy. But you CAN'T criticise corporations... it's like PEOPLE. | Oct 01 09:33 |
schestowitz | My 80-y-o uncle stil blogs... I got him started :-) | Oct 01 09:34 |
schestowitz | > I have enjoyed posting to the web log and although December will be our | Oct 01 09:34 |
schestowitz | > fourth year, I am not at all bored and it is not a chore but rather a fun | Oct 01 09:34 |
schestowitz | > time; all thanks to you for inspiring me to get it started. | Oct 01 09:34 |
schestowitz | He beat everyone to it! Now there are many who blog, but they get only a handful of visits per day, not thousands. | Oct 01 09:34 |
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fewa | please kick vcent | Oct 01 09:48 |
fewa | ie Mutex | Oct 01 09:49 |
fewa | all he does is troll | Oct 01 09:49 |
schestowitz | If he trolls again, I'd ban him | Oct 01 10:14 |
MinceR | permanently? | Oct 01 10:58 |
schestowitz | No/ | Oct 01 11:47 |
schestowitz | He can evade | Oct 01 11:47 |
MinceR | for which he'll be banned again, immediately? | Oct 01 11:53 |
schestowitz | It's hard to be sure to do so immediately | Oct 01 12:09 |
schestowitz | Bidpond is large | Oct 01 12:09 |
schestowitz | *big | Oct 01 12:09 |
MinceR | with meme: BIGPOND IS BIG | Oct 01 12:10 |
MinceR | ;) | Oct 01 12:10 |
schestowitz | Pond scum | Oct 01 12:31 |
fewa | lol Telstra | Oct 01 12:36 |
fewa | rather not say | Oct 01 12:58 |
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schestowitz | >> Yes, I wish to have this stuff documented so that I can point to it | Oct 01 13:07 |
schestowitz | >> rather than repeat it. | Oct 01 13:07 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 01 13:07 |
schestowitz | > What should be call the page? There has been need of a FAQ to deal with | Oct 01 13:07 |
schestowitz | > MS talking points. They use the same ones again and again. | Oct 01 13:07 |
schestowitz | We need the Wiki expanded. Can you assist, please? | Oct 01 13:07 |
schestowitz | Oct 01 13:07 | |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Articles_index | Oct 01 13:07 |
schestowitz | If anyone is willing to help expand... | Oct 01 13:07 |
trmanco | "A new exploit for the _Smb2ValidateProviderCallback() function has been | Oct 01 13:38 |
trmanco | released by the same person who created the Denial of Service exploit, | Oct 01 13:38 |
trmanco | except this one is able to execute code remotely. It seems that ms is sort | Oct 01 13:38 |
trmanco | of delaying the quick fix for this exploit. Whats even sadder is that they | Oct 01 13:38 |
trmanco | knew about it when they developed windows 7 but didn't care to patch windows | Oct 01 13:38 |
trmanco | vista. If they dont release a patch soon, viruses will be all over the | Oct 01 13:38 |
trmanco | internet... | Oct 01 13:38 |
trmanco | Exploit code: | Oct 01 13:38 |
trmanco | http://packetstormsecurity.org/filedesc/smb2_negotiate_func_index.rb.txt.html" | Oct 01 13:38 |
schestowitz | trmanco: still the SMB2 issue... | Oct 01 13:42 |
schestowitz | Just evolving (the exploits) | Oct 01 13:42 |
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schestowitz | http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-17924-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=69454&messageID=1330921 | Oct 01 14:45 |
schestowitz | Jerlow shoots the messenger | Oct 01 14:45 |
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schestowitz | http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/320607 | Oct 01 17:09 |
schestowitz | Alan Grayson refused to apologize Wednesday for saying on the House floor Tuesday night that the GOP health care plan amounts to "don't get sick" - and if you do, "die quickly." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/grayson-not-backing-down_n_305196.html | Oct 01 17:14 |
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fewa | <fewa> rather not say | Oct 01 22:15 |
fewa | schestowitz, | Oct 01 22:15 |
schestowitz | OK | Oct 01 22:15 |
schestowitz | Sorry about that./ | Oct 01 22:15 |
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schestowitz | Weird.... | Oct 01 22:16 |
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schestowitz | trmanco: where's your program? | Oct 02 11:51 |
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schestowitz | "_the_mad_hatter: I take it you're aware of "Boycott Boycott-Novell and the enemies list? Sit back and ignore it. I'm about to have some fun." | Oct 02 15:07 |
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trmanco | schestowitz: | Oct 02 20:07 |
trmanco | sorry wasn't around today | Oct 02 20:07 |
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schestowitz | Freenode is unstable today | Oct 02 22:48 |
schestowitz | Someone has just gotten upset and mailed me and RMS. | Oct 02 22:52 |
schestowitz | Microsoft lackey CJ | Oct 02 22:52 |
trmanco | lol | Oct 02 22:58 |
schestowitz | It was weird that he mailed just me and RMS | Oct 02 23:08 |
schestowitz | Not Peter Brown | Oct 02 23:08 |
trmanco | can you paste? | Oct 02 23:17 |
schestowitz | Sure. | Oct 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | Subject: GNU Bucks | Oct 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | From: "C.J. Adams-Collier" <cjac@colliertech.org> | Oct 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>, r@schestowitz.com | Oct 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-nSO5xs1O+dFKlZ3IuIJx" | Oct 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | Organization: Collier Technologies | Oct 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:16:32 -0700 | Oct 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | Message-Id: <1254510992.625.21.camel@norseth> | Oct 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | Mime-Version: 1.0 | Oct 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 | Oct 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | --=-nSO5xs1O+dFKlZ3IuIJx | Oct 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | Content-Type: text/plain | Oct 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable | Oct 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | Hey there guys, | Oct 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | Richard, I'd be happy to sign over copyright for my work on GNU Bucks to | Oct 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | the FSF, but I'd like to have credit for the invention ;) | Oct 02 23:24 |
schestowitz | http://web.archive.org/web/20030630132027/gnubucks.com/impressions/rms.html | Oct 02 23:25 |
schestowitz | Cheers, | Oct 02 23:25 |
schestowitz | C.J. | Oct 02 23:25 |
schestowitz | --=-nSO5xs1O+dFKlZ3IuIJx | Oct 02 23:25 |
schestowitz | Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" | Oct 02 23:25 |
schestowitz | Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part | Oct 02 23:25 |
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schestowitz | Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) | Oct 02 23:25 |
schestowitz | iEYEABECAAYFAkrGUYwACgkQXKBS0hdr6UZwZACeMwWv3LaSvXkM3S5f0WVkQJ8G | Oct 02 23:25 |
schestowitz | /ccAnR2r1XqGBXmck64CadH1j3lRPzf/ | Oct 02 23:25 |
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MinceR | looks like noise. | Oct 02 23:26 |
trmanco | gnubucks? | Oct 02 23:27 |
trmanco | this -> http://www.gnu.org/help/gnu-bucks.html | Oct 02 23:27 |
trmanco | ? | Oct 02 23:27 |
MinceR | "Chief GNUisance" :D | Oct 02 23:28 |
trmanco | and that yellow background kinda scares me off reading that email :-P | Oct 02 23:28 |
trmanco | but the question here, is why did you also email you :-P | Oct 02 23:29 |
MinceR | he wants to waste both RMS's and Roy's time | Oct 02 23:29 |
trmanco | and bandwidth | Oct 02 23:29 |
MinceR | or perhaps to earn a spot in both their killfiles | Oct 02 23:29 |
trmanco | I fail to understand the whole email | Oct 02 23:30 |
trmanco | maybe I'm just tired | Oct 02 23:30 |
trmanco | I might buy an asus eeepc 1101 HA | Oct 02 23:43 |
MinceR | i've ordered an 1005HA | Oct 02 23:45 |
trmanco | that has a 10" screen | Oct 02 23:53 |
trmanco | right? | Oct 02 23:53 |
trmanco | I need something with great battery life | Oct 02 23:53 |
trmanco | the one I mentioned has about 9 hours of battery life | Oct 02 23:54 |
MinceR | indeed | Oct 02 23:54 |
MinceR | asus claims 10.5 hours for the one i mentioned | Oct 02 23:54 |
MinceR | (with the battery i've ordered it, that is) | Oct 02 23:54 |
trmanco | ah | Oct 02 23:59 |
trmanco | cool | Oct 02 23:59 |
trmanco | then I might consider that one | Oct 02 23:59 |
trmanco | if you get the special battery for the 1101 it has 11 hours | Oct 02 23:59 |
trmanco | and it has a bigger screen :-P | Oct 03 00:00 |
MinceR | and it's bigger and heavier :> | Oct 03 00:00 |
trmanco | yeah :-P | Oct 03 00:01 |
trmanco | but I guess it's worth it | Oct 03 00:01 |
trmanco | gn | Oct 03 00:02 |
schestowitz | ASUS?!?! | Oct 03 00:13 |
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schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/02/watch-newark-mayor-beefs-with-conan-obrien-via-youtube | Oct 03 01:10 |
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schestowitz | I thought you had left cause I asked you that question | Oct 03 07:56 |
schestowitz | I found some good healthcare links | Oct 03 07:57 |
fewa | me too! | Oct 03 08:20 |
fewa | http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/reid-my-public-option-would-be-private-in-name-only.php | Oct 03 08:21 |
fewa | Oct 03 08:21 | |
fewa | http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/07/20/bait-and-switch-how-the-%E2%80%9Cpublic-option%E2%80%9D-was-sold/ | Oct 03 08:21 |
fewa | Oct 03 08:21 | |
fewa | http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/09/13/sullivan-publicoptionin3200unlikemedicare/ | Oct 03 08:21 |
schestowitz | /me watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJVH8g1UFUs&feature=related | Oct 03 08:21 |
fewa | http://pnhp.org/amendment/Amendment-3200%20Comparision.pdf | Oct 03 08:24 |
fewa | Michael moore released a movie today | Oct 03 08:25 |
schestowitz | Friday"? | Oct 03 08:35 |
fewa | Sunday i guess | Oct 03 08:36 |
fewa | *satureday | Oct 03 08:36 |
fewa | http://michaelmoore.com/ | Oct 03 08:36 |
fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/9/24/after_20_years_of_filmmaking_on | Oct 03 08:37 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/mmflint | Oct 03 08:37 |
fewa | <schestowitz> I found some good healthcare links | Oct 03 11:01 |
fewa | which ones? | Oct 03 11:01 |
schestowitz | I watch video stuff | Oct 03 11:05 |
schestowitz | But I've run out of things to watch | Oct 03 11:05 |
fewa | watch the nade documentary? | Oct 03 11:06 |
fewa | *nader | Oct 03 11:06 |
fewa | "Public Option" is a sham | Oct 03 11:07 |
fewa | more properly called "Public fusion to Private insurance profits" | Oct 03 11:07 |
fewa | designed to be a pony | Oct 03 11:09 |
fewa | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/why-the-current-bills-don_b_302483.html | Oct 03 11:15 |
fewa | <schestowitz> I watch video stuff | Oct 03 11:18 |
fewa | good stuff? | Oct 03 11:18 |
fewa | lots of good info on that chomsky vid | Oct 03 11:25 |
schestowitz | I'd rather find good films | Oct 03 11:28 |
schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com.tw/news/ce/0,2000085674,20141419,00.htm | Oct 03 11:30 |
fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwlsDN-Ilkc | Oct 03 11:32 |
schestowitz | bookmarked | Oct 03 11:37 |
fewa | The FSF Bilski amicus was great http://endsoftpatents.org/amicus-bilski-2009 | Oct 03 11:55 |
schestowitz | Yes | Oct 03 11:56 |
schestowitz | I saw that; long post coming | Oct 03 11:57 |
fewa | esp re Diamond v. Diehr | Oct 03 12:03 |
fewa | current Supreme court precedent prohibits software patents | Oct 03 12:03 |
fewa | except that the Federal Circuit--essentially the patent court--and created a long time ago essentially to serve patent interest on behaf of lobbiests, read the Supreme Court in a convoluted manner | Oct 03 12:04 |
fewa | A mathematical formula as such is not accorded the protection of our patent laws, Gottschalk v. Benson, 409 U.S. 63 (1972), and this principle cannot be circumvented by attempting to limit the use of the formula to a particular technological environment. Parker v. Flook, 437 U.S. 584 (1978). Similarly, insignificant post-solution activity will not transform an unpatentable principle into a patentable process. Ibid. To hold otherwise would all | Oct 03 12:05 |
fewa | ow a competent draftsman to evade the recognized limitations on the type of subject matter eligible for patent protection. On the other hand, when a claim containing a mathematical formula implements or applies that formula in a structure or process which, when considered as a whole, is performing a function which the patent laws were designed to protect (e. g., transforming or reducing an article to a different state or thing), then the clai | Oct 03 12:05 |
fewa | m satisfies the requirements of [Section] 101. | Oct 03 12:05 |
fewa | http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2009/bilski-amicus-brief.pdf "you also stated" _eek_ | Oct 03 12:09 |
fewa | its "this court" | Oct 03 12:09 |
fewa | If you look at the pro-patent briefs, ie Yahoo, IBM, they all have Diamond v. Diehr but as passim | Oct 03 12:12 |
fewa | they don't want to talk about the real precedent | Oct 03 12:13 |
fewa | as lower courts are not precedent | Oct 03 12:13 |
fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXX89bnavls#t=7m | Oct 03 12:46 |
fewa | The world is changing | Oct 03 12:48 |
fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR-Il80a1YE | Oct 03 12:50 |
fewa | We have the exact same thing in the US | Oct 03 12:50 |
fewa | but there seems to be little talk about it | Oct 03 12:50 |
fewa | we need this sort of questioning | Oct 03 12:50 |
fewa | people like Rush Limbaugh | Oct 03 12:51 |
fewa | http://vodpod.com/watch/868663-nader-on-rush-limbaugh-and-corporate-welfare | Oct 03 12:51 |
fewa | the drug addict | Oct 03 12:51 |
fewa | get the working class to rail at welfare and health care recipients, ie them | Oct 03 12:51 |
fewa | Also addresses free press/manufacturing consent | Oct 03 12:54 |
schestowitz | I've bookmarked these | Oct 03 13:08 |
schestowitz | I watch vids hour/day | Oct 03 13:08 |
fewa | first are that chomsky interview | Oct 03 13:13 |
fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGMy0n6KqqE | Oct 03 13:14 |
fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act_of_1978_Amendments_Act_of_2008 | Oct 03 13:14 |
schestowitz | Chomsky's advantage is that he cannot be called anti-American | Oct 03 13:15 |
schestowitz | Or anti-Semite | Oct 03 13:15 |
schestowitz | Likewise, a Linux user cannot be called anti-Novell | Oct 03 13:15 |
fewa | schestowitz, you can call someone anyone | Oct 03 13:15 |
schestowitz | Whereas phonies that are Mac fans and slam open source can be waved off | Oct 03 13:15 |
fewa | its weather the listening party thinks your crazy for your slander | Oct 03 13:16 |
fewa | look at the "lie" during the obama speech | Oct 03 13:16 |
fewa | http://bloggasm.com/joe-wilsons-opponent-raises-11000-on-actblue-within-hours-of-obamas-speech-on | Oct 03 13:17 |
schestowitz | OK, enough mate :-) You've given me 4 vids to watch now | Oct 03 13:17 |
schestowitz | I can't keep track | Oct 03 13:17 |
schestowitz | I know about the "Lie" | Oct 03 13:18 |
schestowitz | Obama can't lie | Oct 03 13:18 |
fewa | and of course if you have no basis for your allegations then your just bitter | Oct 03 13:18 |
schestowitz | He's just a screen-reader | Oct 03 13:18 |
schestowitz | Like Bush | Oct 03 13:18 |
schestowitz | But Bush read from memory, not a screen | Oct 03 13:18 |
schestowitz | ANd it showed | Oct 03 13:18 |
schestowitz | "Tomorrow morning I’m scheduled to speak with a representative of ActBlue and I’ll be able to find out more concrete numbers — where all that traffic was coming from and how quickly the money poured in after the speech." | Oct 03 13:19 |
schestowitz | Nice. | Oct 03 13:19 |
schestowitz | They'll kick him for saying senseful stuff | Oct 03 13:19 |
fewa | There was a congressman which said "you lie" during a Obama speech (whose text had been handed out before hand) | Oct 03 13:19 |
fewa | it shows the theatre of this "two party" system | Oct 03 13:19 |
schestowitz | UK parliament is fun | Oct 03 13:21 |
schestowitz | http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/video/Gordon-Brown-PMQs-Save-The-World-Gaffe/Video/200812215176477?lpos=Latest+Video_3&lid=VIDEO_1721699_Brown+Saves+The+World&videoCategory=Latest+Video | Oct 03 13:22 |
fewa | i like parliment | Oct 03 13:24 |
fewa | when you watch it it is so entertaining | Oct 03 13:24 |
fewa | unlike the US process of committees and stuff | Oct 03 13:24 |
schestowitz | "60 seconds, senator' | Oct 03 13:38 |
MinceR | http://www.viruscomix.com/page480.html | Oct 03 14:40 |
schestowitz | Too much text | Oct 03 14:45 |
MinceR | :) | Oct 03 14:45 |
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schestowitz | "and some truly ridiculous threats against the FSF...from Lefty of course" | Oct 03 21:54 |
schestowitz | Someone just mailed me some stuff (cc'd to rms) | Oct 03 21:55 |
schestowitz | "Lefty" is a dangerous psychopath (I know from personal abusive E-mails | Oct 03 21:55 |
schestowitz | I've received). It would be best to ignore him. RMS' achievements speak | Oct 03 21:55 |
schestowitz | for themselves and people whom I know strongly support him. | Oct 03 21:55 |
schestowitz | People like Lefty (and ilk) 'market' the illusion of demise -- a | Oct 03 21:55 |
schestowitz | self-fulfilling promise they believe. Lefty is a marketing person by | Oct 03 21:55 |
schestowitz | occupation, so this tactic is only to be expected. | Oct 03 21:55 |
schestowitz | 4:09 PM Stone: You keep on advising RMS. | Oct 03 21:56 |
schestowitz | Please. | Oct 03 21:56 |
schestowitz | they'll (referring to FSF here) (will) be dead in a year. | Oct 03 21:56 |
schestowitz | 4:10 PM sorry: I was at GCDS. | Oct 03 21:56 |
schestowitz | "it'll be interesting if "Dr." Stallman finds himself blacklisted from both KDE and GNOME events in the future, won't it?" | Oct 03 21:56 |
schestowitz | The APple/Microsoft shills try to exclude RMS | Oct 03 21:56 |
trmanco | http://www.ugarro.com/blog/blog4.php/2009/10/04/linux-on-everything | Oct 03 22:42 |
trmanco | oops | Oct 03 22:42 |
schestowitz | np | Oct 03 22:54 |
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fewa | trmanco, paste the bot's source code | Oct 04 00:04 |
fewa | or http://gitorious.org/ it | Oct 04 00:04 |
schestowitz | it's already up there | Oct 04 00:07 |
schestowitz | Can't recall which site | Oct 04 00:07 |
schestowitz | trmanco: ping | Oct 04 00:07 |
trmanco | bitbucket | Oct 04 00:08 |
trmanco | but I think they are having some "cloud" issues | Oct 04 00:08 |
schestowitz | Let us peek | Oct 04 00:08 |
schestowitz | Hehe. Cloud | Oct 04 00:08 |
schestowitz | Server issues | Oct 04 00:08 |
schestowitz | It's our cloud resting.. | Oct 04 00:08 |
schestowitz | "Like a puppy..." | Oct 04 00:09 |
fewa | its raining!!!!!! | Oct 04 00:09 |
fewa | noooo | Oct 04 00:09 |
schestowitz | It's like the "god is peeing" stories | Oct 04 00:09 |
schestowitz | "Mummy, why is the code thing down?" | Oct 04 00:10 |
schestowitz | Mother: "oh, sweetheart, big bad gargoyle is taking a piss on the nice fluffy cloud" | Oct 04 00:10 |
schestowitz | Much better than "fried CPU" | Oct 04 00:10 |
trmanco | they founder of bitbucket is having a hard time | Oct 04 00:15 |
trmanco | they "amazon" were insisting the there was no problem | Oct 04 00:15 |
trmanco | but I think they have finally acknowledged the problem | Oct 04 00:16 |
trmanco | gn | Oct 04 00:16 |
MinceR | o/ | Oct 04 00:17 |
schestowitz | o\ | Oct 04 00:25 |
MinceR | \o | Oct 04 00:25 |
fewa | amazon is _expensive_ | Oct 04 00:32 |
fewa | im suprised noone seems to say it | Oct 04 00:33 |
MinceR | http://notalwaysright.com/if-at-first-you-dont-succeed-white-lie-again/2515 | Oct 04 00:43 |
fewa | someone needs to make a Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project wikipedia page | Oct 04 01:35 |
fewa | first time the SCOTUS has looked at the PATRIOT act | Oct 04 01:35 |
fewa | http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/faclibrary/case.aspx?case=Holder_Attorney_General_v_Humanitarian_Law_Project | Oct 04 01:36 |
fewa | http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/faclibrary/case.aspx?case=Holder_Attorney_General_v_Humanitarian_Law_Project | Oct 04 01:36 |
fewa | ..guess noone here lives in US but me... | Oct 04 01:36 |
fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/1/supreme_court_to_take_up_patriot | Oct 04 01:36 |
schestowitz | Not in IRC channel -social | Oct 04 01:43 |
fewa | I bet thats the only place its been discussed | Oct 04 01:44 |
fewa | even though it super-important | Oct 04 01:44 |
fewa | show how great the "independent" press is | Oct 04 01:45 |
schestowitz | Heh. | Oct 04 02:10 |
schestowitz | Independent make it NOT _PRESS_ | Oct 04 02:10 |
schestowitz | Then it's some "hate site" or "blog" | Oct 04 02:10 |
schestowitz | Press=trusted | Oct 04 02:11 |
schestowitz | It has logos of big companies :-) | Oct 04 02:11 |
fewa | not "hate site" | Oct 04 03:15 |
fewa | "terrorist group" | Oct 04 03:15 |
fewa | get with the ball here | Oct 04 03:15 |
fewa | get with the current meaning of the First Amendment | Oct 04 03:16 |
fewa | you can say whatever you want, as long as your opinion has already been published by the New York Times | Oct 04 03:16 |
fewa | or Fox News | Oct 04 03:16 |
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trmanco | "you know what they say, you're not really in business until you get sued or ddos'ed." | Oct 04 12:23 |
fewa | who said that? | Oct 04 12:28 |
trmanco | the creator of bitbucket | Oct 04 12:44 |
trmanco | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMo3pwyDNns | Oct 04 15:07 |
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trmanco | http://blog.bitbucket.org/2009/10/04/on-our-extended-downtime-amazon-and-whats-coming/ | Oct 04 18:43 |
trmanco | :schestowitz! PRIVMSG #boycottnovell :http://www.elivecd.org/ | Oct 04 19:53 |
trmanco | Message sent with success PRIVMSG #boycottnovell :Title: Where Debian meets Enlightenment .::. Size~: 21.57 KB | Oct 04 19:53 |
trmanco | PING :leguin.freenode.net | Oct 04 19:53 |
trmanco | :schestowitz! PRIVMSG #boycottnovell :"It is built on top of Debian GNU/Linux and customized to meet your needs for a complete operating system while still offering the user eye-candy, with minimal hardware requirements." | Oct 04 19:53 |
trmanco | Message sent with success PONG :leguin.freenode.net | Oct 04 19:53 |
trmanco | :schestowitz! PRIVMSG #boycottnovell :"It is built on top of Debian GNU/Linux and customized to meet your needs for a complete operating system while still offering the user eye-candy, with minimal hardware requirements." | Oct 04 19:53 |
MinceR | wut | Oct 04 19:55 |
trmanco | maybe the logs are getting full | Oct 04 19:57 |
trmanco | I'll clear em | Oct 04 19:57 |
schestowitz | http://wonkabar.org/2009/10/02/ripping-vhs/ | Oct 04 20:06 |
schestowitz | Some people outside my house launch fireworks \o/ | Oct 04 20:22 |
trmanco | heh | Oct 04 20:27 |
schestowitz | http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/the-fed-fighter-dealbooks-ron-paul-interview/ The Fed Fighter: DealBook’s Ron Paul Interview | Oct 04 20:54 |
schestowitz | http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091003/OPINION/910030314/1003/RSS07 | Oct 04 21:00 |
schestowitz | Hopefully many people will watch this | Oct 04 21:00 |
schestowitz | Maybe share it too for maximal exposure | Oct 04 21:00 |
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schestowitz | [22:30] <mikec_> You're right he seems a little jealous and bitter, it's best for me to keep him at a safe distance, some of the nasty things i have heard he has been saying are quite bad, he is very lonely and not happy about it i think. | Oct 04 22:30 |
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*Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Oct 05 10:18 | |
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Oct 05 10:18 | |
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz at Mon Mar 16 02:04:07 2009 | Oct 05 10:18 | |
MinceR | mutex alert (HAL_IBM) | Oct 05 12:34 |
schestowitz | based on isp? | Oct 05 12:35 |
MinceR | indeed | Oct 05 12:37 |
MinceR | though the nick is a little suspicious too (based on "zilog") | Oct 05 12:37 |
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schestowitz | " | Oct 05 15:35 |
schestowitz | Hi Roy, | Oct 05 15:35 |
schestowitz | Have you received the documents of ACT from the Commission's services? | Oct 05 15:35 |
schestowitz | I have not seen any update on BN on this. | Oct 05 15:35 |
schestowitz | I suspect the Commission won't give them away. | Oct 05 15:35 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 05 15:35 |
trmanco | http://www.askapache.com/windows/defrag-optimize-speed-xp.html | Oct 05 16:05 |
schestowitz | NTFS - lame | Oct 05 16:07 |
trmanco | you need to optimize it | Oct 05 16:07 |
schestowitz | me? no :-) | Oct 05 16:23 |
schestowitz | I remember drfragging my 170MB HDD every night | Oct 05 16:23 |
schestowitz | Now my HDD capacity is like 10,000 that amount! | Oct 05 16:24 |
MinceR | optimize it with mkfs.ext3? :> | Oct 05 16:27 |
schestowitz | MinceR: make Ballmer support it | Oct 05 16:28 |
schestowitz | SenilityFS is all they can read/write | Oct 05 16:28 |
MinceR | well, i'd optimize winblows by replacing it with gnu/linux | Oct 05 16:28 |
MinceR | but one could use ext2ifs on winblows (no journaling though) | Oct 05 16:29 |
trmanco | windows cant read ext3 :| | Oct 05 16:29 |
trmanco | they are the ones that loose | Oct 05 16:30 |
schestowitz | can't or won;t? | Oct 05 16:30 |
schestowitz | Microsoft wants exFAT tax? | Oct 05 16:30 |
schestowitz | And FAT/NTFS at large | Oct 05 16:30 |
schestowitz | Like supporting ODF to them | Oct 05 16:30 |
trmanco | why are we going to need that shit? | Oct 05 16:30 |
trmanco | my external hdd came with ntfs | Oct 05 16:30 |
trmanco | the first thing I did with it was actually format it into a proper FS | Oct 05 16:31 |
schestowitz | trmanco: format first | Oct 05 16:31 |
schestowitz | I learned the hard way | Oct 05 16:31 |
trmanco | it now has ext4 on it | Oct 05 16:31 |
trmanco | or ext3 | Oct 05 16:31 |
schestowitz | Once you put stuff on it, then you need a medium to allow reformating w/o data loss | Oct 05 16:31 |
trmanco | I can't really remember, I haven't plugged it in a while | Oct 05 16:31 |
schestowitz | *matting | Oct 05 16:31 |
trmanco | yeah | Oct 05 16:31 |
trmanco | I also thought like that... | Oct 05 16:32 |
MinceR | all my external HDDs are formatted to ext3 :> | Oct 05 16:38 |
trmanco | :) | Oct 05 16:41 |
fewa | yeah and ext3 can work natively on windows | Oct 05 16:43 |
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schestowitz | I vaguely recall this too | Oct 05 17:13 |
trmanco | you need 3rd party drivers for it to work | Oct 05 17:18 |
schestowitz | of course | Oct 05 17:18 |
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trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9r2dl/why_do_we_still_use_the_x_windows_system/ | Oct 05 20:21 |
MinceR | because it's the best windowing system | Oct 05 20:25 |
MinceR | and the people who aim to create a new one tend to lack the clues necessary to make anything better | Oct 05 20:25 |
MinceR | "Aww, I'm sorry but I use pulseaudio. I mostly don't hear them." lol | Oct 05 20:26 |
trmanco | it been improving really well these years | Oct 05 20:26 |
trmanco | lol | Oct 05 20:27 |
trmanco | pulseaudio is bloat | Oct 05 20:27 |
MinceR | the security model of X could use an overhaul though | Oct 05 20:27 |
trmanco | and wastes some of my precious cpu cycles I need for some other stuff | Oct 05 20:27 |
MinceR | some sort of access control regarding X resources | Oct 05 20:27 |
trmanco | instead of thinking of creating forks, people should just contribute to the original | Oct 05 20:28 |
MinceR | so that random client a can't make a screenshot of or steal keystrokes from random client b if the user doesn't want it to | Oct 05 20:28 |
MinceR | NX-style compression would be useful too | Oct 05 20:28 |
trmanco | I'm happy with Xorg | Oct 05 20:28 |
trmanco | isn't google doing that with its fork? | Oct 05 20:28 |
MinceR | i don't know what google is doing | Oct 05 20:28 |
trmanco | they were creating their own window system | Oct 05 20:29 |
trmanco | and I think it had NX compression | Oct 05 20:29 |
MinceR | i didn't know that was supposed to be an X fork | Oct 05 20:29 |
MinceR | this is the one for chrome os, right? | Oct 05 20:29 |
trmanco | yeah | Oct 05 20:30 |
MinceR | i had the impression that network transparency was about the last thing that required :> | Oct 05 20:30 |
trmanco | it's not a fork sorry | Oct 05 20:30 |
MinceR | i figured they pretty much just need to render some overlapping 2d windows and nothing else, if that | Oct 05 20:30 |
MinceR | (why X isn't good enough for that, i have no idea) | Oct 05 20:31 |
trmanco | http://code.google.com/p/neatx/ | Oct 05 20:31 |
trmanco | I think it was this one | Oct 05 20:31 |
MinceR | i've read about neatx, but drew no connection to chrome os | Oct 05 20:31 |
trmanco | I think it was released a little before the Chrome OS vaporware | Oct 05 20:32 |
trmanco | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/07/releasing-neatx-open-source-nx-servier.html | Oct 05 20:37 |
trmanco | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html | Oct 05 20:38 |
trmanco | actually | Oct 05 20:38 |
trmanco | it was on the same day | Oct 05 20:38 |
MinceR | well, it's a big company | Oct 05 20:40 |
trmanco | the neatx thing seem very poor and incomplete | Oct 05 20:41 |
trmanco | and it's mostly written in python :| | Oct 05 20:41 |
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schestowitz | === | Oct 06 08:51 |
schestowitz | [08:38] <jono> ping? | Oct 06 08:51 |
schestowitz | [08:38] <schestowitz> yo :-) | Oct 06 08:51 |
schestowitz | [08:38] <jono> hey! | Oct 06 08:51 |
schestowitz | [08:38] <jono> I forgot to mention | Oct 06 08:51 |
schestowitz | [08:38] <jono> for the FLOSSWeekly show next week, we record it using Skype, is that going to be ok? | Oct 06 08:51 |
schestowitz | [08:38] <schestowitz> Yes | Oct 06 08:51 |
schestowitz | [08:38] <schestowitz> I have skype | Oct 06 08:51 |
schestowitz | [08:39] <jono> ok cool | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:39] <jono> also, will you have video? | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:39] <jono> Leo can hook the video feed up if you do | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:40] <schestowitz> I don't have a webcam | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:40] <jono> no worries | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:40] <jono> audio only is fine | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:41] <schestowitz> cool | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:41] <schestowitz> Let's stay on the main topics | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:41] <schestowitz> I look forward to it | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:41] <jono> we will | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:41] <jono> I look forward to it too | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:41] <jono> I will send out a quick set of questions as background for Leo | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:42] <schestowitz> The trolls love to distort other things, that's why | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:42] <jono> simple bio request etc | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:42] <jono> it turns out there are lots of people on the Internet with opinions :P | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:42] <schestowitz> Opinions are fine | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:42] <schestowitz> As long as it's not libellous and personal | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:42] <jono> I think we will have a spirited debate, but we have that in #boycotnovell too | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:43] <schestowitz> Like some freaks who call me a "transvestite" and stuff | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:43] <jono> what? | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:43] <schestowitz> Yeah, they libel like that | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:43] <jono> wtf has that got to do with anything? | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:43] <jono> even if you were, I don't see why that would matter | Oct 06 08:52 |
schestowitz | [08:43] <schestowitz> No, I'm not! | Oct 06 08:53 |
schestowitz | [08:43] <jono> heh, I didn't think you were | Oct 06 08:53 |
schestowitz | [08:44] <schestowitz> But the point is, they don't like talking about technology | Oct 06 08:53 |
schestowitz | [08:44] <schestowitz> But the point is, they don't like talking about technology | Oct 06 08:53 |
schestowitz | [08:44] <schestowitz> And any divergence from it leads them to it | Oct 06 08:53 |
schestowitz | [08:44] <jono> It doesn't surprise me that you get criticism, you are a controvertial figure | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:44] <schestowitz> That's OK. :-) I prefer getting technical criticism | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:45] <schestowitz> Not based on what I had for breakfast :-) | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:45] <jono> hehe | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:45] <jono> well, I don't really give a shit what you had for breakfast | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:45] <schestowitz> PJ taught me that in a way. She refuses to talk about personal life | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:45] <jono> I am keen to talk to you about the BC project, it's goals, your inspiration etc | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:45] <schestowitz> It later becomes obvious that those distortions by 'enemies' are the reason | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:46] <schestowitz> I once wrote about going for a night out | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:46] <schestowitz> The trolls turned this into a story about something with "Gay bar" (that's a distrotion) | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:47] <schestowitz> I gave testimony to the police about an attack I saw | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:47] <schestowitz> The trolls turned that to "Roy was arrested" | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:47] <schestowitz> That's what I mean, you see? | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:47] <jono> I see what you mean | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:47] <schestowitz> Oh. | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:47] <schestowitz> And "beaten up by the police" | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:48] <schestowitz> They repeat it like a hundred times | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:48] <jono> trolls will be trolls | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:48] <schestowitz> Until some people might think it's true | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:49] <jono> well, sorry to run off Roy, but I must head to bed | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:49] <schestowitz> Cool | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:49] <schestowitz> Thanks a lot, mate | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:49] <jono> less than six hours of sleep until the meeting | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | [08:49] <jono> no worries, pal | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | == | Oct 06 08:54 |
schestowitz | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=129 | Oct 06 09:21 |
schestowitz | "satipera: You are probably familiar with it but just in case. http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Main_Page" | Oct 06 09:48 |
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schestowitz | === | Oct 06 11:17 |
schestowitz | > Savings is only one aspect of the advantages of using free software in | Oct 06 11:18 |
schestowitz | > education. It should be made clear that schools need an environment | Oct 06 11:18 |
schestowitz | > that fosters better individuals by way of exploration and | Oct 06 11:18 |
schestowitz | > experimentation. | Oct 06 11:18 |
schestowitz | Agreed. I emphasise both points. | Oct 06 11:18 |
schestowitz | == | Oct 06 11:18 |
oiaohm | Also community | Oct 06 11:22 |
schestowitz | Yes | Oct 06 11:23 |
schestowitz | Just caught this mail from July | Oct 06 11:23 |
schestowitz | All sorts of mailboxes I forgot I had | Oct 06 11:24 |
schestowitz | Like 22 | Oct 06 11:24 |
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schestowitz | pj re: sys-con and MOG: | Oct 06 17:34 |
schestowitz | > Actually, she puts out all her articles, last I looked, as press releases. | Oct 06 17:34 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 06 17:34 |
schestowitz | > hahahahhaa | Oct 06 17:34 |
schestowitz | They appear multiple times. | Oct 06 17:34 |
schestowitz | Sys-con=spam. | Oct 06 17:34 |
schestowitz | Sys-Con Media Site Delisted, Spam Pattern Explained | Oct 06 17:34 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/01/ulitzer-com-banned-by-google/ | Oct 06 17:34 |
schestowitz | News Site That Promotes the SCO Lawsuit and Microsoft’s Patent Racket is Bullying Critics | Oct 06 17:34 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/07/28/sys-con-truth/ | Oct 06 17:34 |
schestowitz | Seems like the Microsoft/Apple/crap shill has found a new victim to issue legal threats to | Oct 06 18:36 |
schestowitz | * | Oct 06 18:36 |
schestowitz | sent me a DMCA takedown notice for the graphic I made of him on that article linked. | Oct 06 18:36 |
schestowitz | what a hypocrite eh? | Oct 06 18:36 |
schestowitz | ^^^QUOTE | Oct 06 18:36 |
schestowitz | Still going around threatening people. He should be locked up in an institute really | Oct 06 18:37 |
schestowitz | Old memories....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyHSpNqRo_I | Oct 06 22:01 |
schestowitz | Heh. Someone just E-mailed me "I respect what you do for our community. " | Oct 06 22:02 |
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schestowitz | " | Oct 07 01:06 |
schestowitz | I've been trying to send this link for sometime. | Oct 07 01:06 |
schestowitz | And, after some struggle, i've finally made it... | Oct 07 01:06 |
schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/oct/06/windows-phone-mobile | Oct 07 01:06 |
schestowitz | For your appreciation and perhaps you can post an article in Boycott Novell | Oct 07 01:06 |
schestowitz | Best regards | Oct 07 01:06 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 07 01:06 |
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trmanco | can I try and ban him? | Oct 07 13:03 |
trmanco | mutex | Oct 07 13:04 |
oiaohm | The thing with mutex is that you ban him. He will be back. | Oct 07 13:05 |
schestowitz | sure | Oct 07 13:05 |
oiaohm | So far mutex has no good arguements. | Oct 07 13:06 |
trmanco | ah | Oct 07 13:06 |
trmanco | let me use the bot | Oct 07 13:07 |
oiaohm | Even using bot mutex is one of these people who will use relays. | Oct 07 13:08 |
trmanco | just a test | Oct 07 13:08 |
oiaohm | Just be careful not to lock out non gulity in the process trmanco | Oct 07 13:09 |
trmanco | I think I did it right | Oct 07 13:09 |
MinceR | the banmask isn't so great :> | Oct 07 13:09 |
trmanco | well | Oct 07 13:09 |
trmanco | yes he just entered again | Oct 07 13:10 |
trmanco | this is the only mask I have :| | Oct 07 13:10 |
trmanco | heh | Oct 07 13:14 |
trmanco | how many people use freenodes webchat? | Oct 07 13:14 |
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schestowitz | , load average: 12.07, 4.23, 2.04 | Oct 07 13:37 |
schestowitz | hm........ | Oct 07 13:37 |
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fewa | and then it will rain | Oct 07 13:38 |
fewa | *poof* | Oct 07 13:38 |
trmanco | heh | Oct 07 13:39 |
trmanco | maybe you should as ibiblio | Oct 07 13:39 |
trmanco | ask* | Oct 07 13:39 |
fewa | dumb metaphors are nice cause they are easy to diffuse | Oct 07 13:40 |
trmanco | or maybe host the databases on a different server | Oct 07 13:41 |
schestowitz | I've gotta go | Oct 07 13:42 |
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schestowitz | Just got back from a meeting... | Oct 07 15:25 |
schestowitz | US to export riot-roasting raygun < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/07/silent_guardian_export/ > | Oct 07 15:45 |
schestowitz | Made in the USA. That's what they are good at exporting other than "IP" | Oct 07 15:45 |
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schestowitz | Windows fanboi now chats with Microsoft employee *sigh* | Oct 08 15:30 |
MinceR | adus is a m$ employee? | Oct 08 15:31 |
schestowitz | > Something is wrong with slashdot for quite a few years now. I suppose | Oct 08 15:32 |
schestowitz | > they got a MSFTer on the staff and he's burned out all the talented | Oct 08 15:32 |
schestowitz | > staff. However, even if the site is mostly a waste of time, I would | Oct 08 15:32 |
schestowitz | > strongly encourage those who used to frequent it to metamoderate at | Oct 08 15:32 |
schestowitz | > least once a week. It is a quick way of (if the system works) putting | Oct 08 15:32 |
schestowitz | > MSFTers in their place. | Oct 08 15:32 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 08 15:33 |
schestowitz | > I very much recommend contacting the two above, in a non-public manner, | Oct 08 15:33 |
schestowitz | > and encouraging them to metamoderate. | Oct 08 15:33 |
schestowitz | > http://slashdot.org/metamod.pl | Oct 08 15:33 |
schestowitz | > </> | Oct 08 15:33 |
schestowitz | Better to let /. die, not feed it IMHO. | Oct 08 15:33 |
schestowitz | BN has similar issues. Microsoft employees enter the IRC channel. Right now it's drowned by endless talk about DirectX and Vista. | Oct 08 15:33 |
schestowitz | MinceR: yes | Oct 08 15:33 |
MinceR | then permban them both with extreme prejudice. | Oct 08 15:33 |
MinceR | :> | Oct 08 15:33 |
schestowitz | I can't | Oct 08 15:34 |
MinceR | why? | Oct 08 15:34 |
schestowitz | We're still open to discussion | Oct 08 15:34 |
schestowitz | Unless there is abuse | Oct 08 15:34 |
MinceR | their existence is abuse | Oct 08 15:34 |
schestowitz | BN seems to have gotten a new focus now with them...: homosexuality and WIndows WIndows WIndows | Oct 08 15:35 |
MinceR | do we need that focus? | Oct 08 15:35 |
schestowitz | No. | Oct 08 15:35 |
schestowitz | Oh. | Oct 08 15:35 |
MinceR | they can go discuss those things in ##homosexuality and ##windows, respectively. | Oct 08 15:35 |
schestowitz | And islamophobia from Ryan | Oct 08 15:35 |
MinceR | that's offtopic too | Oct 08 15:35 |
schestowitz | [15:35] <Adus> I couldn't believe the simple presence of Gay marriage earned it a mature rating | Oct 08 15:36 |
schestowitz | [15:35] <DaemonFC> these are just like redlining or Jim Crow laws | Oct 08 15:36 |
schestowitz | [15:35] <Adus> Otherwise it would have been a teen game | Oct 08 15:36 |
schestowitz | [15:35] <DaemonFC> or whites couldn't marry blacks in most states til 1968 | Oct 08 15:36 |
schestowitz | [15:35] <Adus> Yeh. Are you gay? | Oct 08 15:36 |
schestowitz | *sigh* | Oct 08 15:36 |
schestowitz | Get a room, guys! | Oct 08 15:36 |
MinceR | that would be a good kickreason. | Oct 08 15:36 |
schestowitz | I could just /topic gay people who love WIndows | Oct 08 15:37 |
schestowitz | That'll get in as many regulars as a Mac channel with the same theme | Oct 08 15:37 |
schestowitz | ANyway, it's off topic | Oct 08 15:37 |
MinceR | lol | Oct 08 15:37 |
MinceR | excessive offtopic can kill a channel. | Oct 08 15:37 |
schestowitz | Religion and politics are not much better, but politics is connected to software, as well as everything else | Oct 08 15:38 |
trmanco | loool | Oct 08 15:44 |
trmanco | bozo_ is mutex | Oct 08 15:44 |
schestowitz | Brucie can't take it. http://brucebyfield.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/boycott-boycott-novell-and-i/ | Oct 08 15:56 |
schestowitz | trmanco: thanks, didn't notice | Oct 08 15:56 |
schestowitz | Brucie leaves comments in that attack site | Oct 08 15:59 |
schestowitz | Novell employees promote it, including Miguel | Oct 08 15:59 |
schestowitz | They have gone quite miserable | Oct 08 15:59 |
schestowitz | Groklaw has had attack sites against it too | Oct 08 16:00 |
schestowitz | They died out (no attention) | Oct 08 16:00 |
MinceR | ooh, poor brucie gets semi-regularly attacked for spewing stupid bullshit | Oct 08 16:37 |
MinceR | i feel so sorry for poor brucie | Oct 08 16:38 |
MinceR | he slams BN for issues with logic and grammar then consistently misspells BBN as BNN | Oct 08 16:39 |
MinceR | oh the irony | Oct 08 16:39 |
MinceR | well, not so consistently | Oct 08 16:39 |
schestowitz | The "BBN" folks (David) are idiots | Oct 08 16:43 |
schestowitz | They only boost interest in BN | Oct 08 16:43 |
schestowitz | I.e. exact opposite effect | Oct 08 16:43 |
schestowitz | Traffic went up since they launched. They give and spread the perception that BN is so big that it has satellite sites on its tail | Oct 08 16:44 |
schestowitz | MinceR: the posts don't have issues with language | Oct 08 16:44 |
schestowitz | Only IRC, AFAIK | Oct 08 16:45 |
schestowitz | I proofread carefully | Oct 08 16:45 |
MinceR | lulz | Oct 08 16:45 |
schestowitz | Exactly BECAUSE of idiots like Brucie | Oct 08 16:45 |
schestowitz | LinuxTOday folks are tired of him... that's where I got "brucie" from | Oct 08 16:46 |
schestowitz | They say things like, "don't read this post... look, it has typos" | Oct 08 16:46 |
schestowitz | ====== | Oct 08 19:22 |
schestowitz | >> Better to let /. die, not feed it IMHO. | Oct 08 19:22 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 08 19:22 |
schestowitz | > Neither feeding it, nor ceding it. | Oct 08 19:22 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 08 19:22 |
schestowitz | >> BN has similar issues. Microsoft employees enter the IRC channel. Right | Oct 08 19:22 |
schestowitz | >> now it's drowned by endless talk about DirectX and Vista. | Oct 08 19:22 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 08 19:22 |
schestowitz | > There's got to be a good strategy to counteract their ratpacking of forums. | Oct 08 19:22 |
schestowitz | Watch the IRC logs tomorrow/today at midnight. | Oct 08 19:22 |
schestowitz | "Adus" is the Microsoft employee. See what he does. | Oct 08 19:22 |
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schestowitz | === | Oct 09 17:46 |
schestowitz | > Nice. We need to slashdot this. Microsoft is paying guys not to have | Oct 09 17:46 |
schestowitz | > slashdot linking to you i suppose? | Oct 09 17:46 |
schestowitz | A Slashdot admin whom you know but I can't name told me about the role of PR firms in /. I don't read that site anymore, but it does occasionally link to BN (more times than I can remember... maybe 6). | Oct 09 17:46 |
schestowitz | === | Oct 09 17:46 |
schestowitz | > Hi, | Oct 09 18:20 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 09 18:20 |
schestowitz | > The font size is tiny and hard to read. Could you upgrade the CSS to | Oct 09 18:20 |
schestowitz | > more readable 12pt size? | Oct 09 18:20 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 09 18:20 |
schestowitz | > http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/09/linux-foundation-bbc-free-video/ | Oct 09 18:20 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 09 18:20 |
schestowitz | > This text is tiny: | Oct 09 18:20 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 09 18:20 |
schestowitz | > "Exploring the reality behind exclusionary deals with Microsoft and | Oct 09 18:20 |
schestowitz | > their subtle (yet severe) implications" | Oct 09 18:20 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 09 18:20 |
schestowitz | > And the whole of the rest of the page. | Oct 09 18:20 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 09 18:20 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 09 18:20 |
schestowitz | > Your personal site also has same problems, title bar text is | Oct 09 18:21 |
schestowitz | > minuscule. why not make that readable too? http://schestowitz.com/ | Oct 09 18:21 |
schestowitz | Hi, | Oct 09 18:21 |
schestowitz | Yes, I thought about changing this, but this would cause issues as the older pages were written with existing font size in mind. Why not use browser zoom/text size? | Oct 09 18:21 |
schestowitz | == | Oct 09 18:21 |
schestowitz | Is is that bad??? | Oct 09 18:21 |
schestowitz | Should we maybe redo layout? | Oct 09 18:21 |
trmanco | it's big enough | Oct 09 18:28 |
trmanco | at least here it is readable | Oct 09 18:28 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Oct 09 18:43 |
schestowitz | Not for everyone | Oct 09 18:43 |
schestowitz | I met different people | Oct 09 18:43 |
schestowitz | Some are like moles (blind) | Oct 09 18:43 |
schestowitz | SO you can never make everyone happy | Oct 09 18:43 |
schestowitz | Back in 2 hours..... gym. | Oct 09 18:43 |
schestowitz | ------- | Oct 09 21:19 |
schestowitz | >> How do you know? | Oct 09 21:19 |
schestowitz | > > | Oct 09 21:19 |
schestowitz | > > http://www.newsweek.com/id/55777/page/2 | Oct 09 21:19 |
schestowitz | BTW, the Commission is asking for feedback from the Community over the | Oct 09 21:19 |
schestowitz | European Software Strategy, as they mentionned in your blog post. | Oct 09 21:19 |
schestowitz | Let s make an avalanche of them... | Oct 09 21:19 |
schestowitz | ------- | Oct 09 21:19 |
schestowitz | Will anyone else help? | Oct 09 21:19 |
schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > If you dig around on the net you can find a lot of discussions, surveys, | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > analyses, and even petitions to Adobe requesting that the Adobe suite or | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > even just Photoshop be available for Linux: | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-10371887-248.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > If it's ported to iPhone and desktop OS X, then it's part of the way | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > there. | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > Since joining the Linux foundation, especially for | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > Dot-Com^H^H^H^H^H^H^HWeb 2.0, Adobe should put its money where its mouth | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > is and do the following: | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > 1. open the specification for Flash | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > 2. start maintaining GPL flash players | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > Later, | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > 3. make the C3 or C4 suite (Indesign, Illustrator, Photoshop) available | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > on Linux, especially Red Hat and Ubuntu. | Oct 09 21:21 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 09 21:22 |
schestowitz | > http://linux-foundation.org/weblogs/press/2008/03/30/adobe-joins-linux-foundation-with-focus-on-linux-for-web-20-applications/ | Oct 09 21:22 |
schestowitz | Red Hat guys have warned about Adobe. Watch closely what they do to the Web. | Oct 09 21:22 |
schestowitz | The fot issue is not going away | Oct 10 00:14 |
schestowitz | trmanco: do you know a style selector? | Oct 10 00:14 |
schestowitz | COntext: | Oct 10 00:14 |
schestowitz | == | Oct 10 00:14 |
schestowitz | > Hi Roy | Oct 10 00:14 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 10 00:14 |
schestowitz | > Thanks for your reply. | Oct 10 00:14 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 10 00:14 |
schestowitz | > Roy Schestowitz wrote: | Oct 10 00:14 |
schestowitz | > [..] | Oct 10 00:14 |
trmanco | in what context | Oct 10 00:14 |
schestowitz | >> Hi, | Oct 10 00:14 |
schestowitz | >> | Oct 10 00:14 |
schestowitz | >> Yes, I thought about changing this, but this would cause issues as the | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | >> older pages were written with existing font size in mind. Why not use | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | >> browser zoom/text size? | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | > My thought is the older pages would benefit too. You could just use | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | > newer CSS tags for new articles. | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | > I did use zoom, but that seems like a temp workaround so I thought I | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | > would let you know. I change PCs and browsers frequently, so would be | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | > nice if you could have a more regular size! | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | Let me see if I can add style selectors to the site. Esp. for you..... | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | > BTW, could you add a contact email address to boycott novel? and your | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | > blog, was really hard to find your email address! | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | We usually use IRC. :-) | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/irc-channel/ | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | It's a lot faster. | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | Just a quick dropdown menu for styles | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | I can do it manually, but it's lots of work | Oct 10 00:15 |
schestowitz | http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/search.php?q=selector | Oct 10 00:16 |
schestowitz | old: http://windyroad.org/software/open-source/wordpress/skinner-plugin/ | Oct 10 00:17 |
schestowitz | Ah. | Oct 10 00:18 |
schestowitz | http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/theme-switcher/ | Oct 10 00:18 |
schestowitz | "Last Updated: 2005-11-20" | Oct 10 00:19 |
schestowitz | Meh. | Oct 10 00:19 |
schestowitz | I give up | Oct 10 00:23 |
schestowitz | Waste of time | Oct 10 00:23 |
schestowitz | I can't find a theme selector for visitors | Oct 10 00:23 |
schestowitz | Groklaw has that built into Geeklog | Oct 10 00:23 |
trmanco | oh | Oct 10 00:27 |
trmanco | you want a dropdown where you can select a different stylesheet? | Oct 10 00:27 |
trmanco | or some button to change styles without a page refresh? | Oct 10 00:27 |
schestowitz | trmanco: either | Oct 10 00:27 |
schestowitz | It would be nice to also have totally different styles | Oct 10 00:28 |
schestowitz | Some people want a WIDE view | Oct 10 00:28 |
schestowitz | Screen-wide | Oct 10 00:28 |
trmanco | if you use % values it would adapt to the screen size | Oct 10 00:28 |
trmanco | but then it might break some other stuff | Oct 10 00:29 |
schestowitz | Actually, it would not work | Oct 10 00:31 |
schestowitz | I have some imgs embedded into html | Oct 10 00:31 |
schestowitz | So I can't so themes simultaneously | Oct 10 00:31 |
schestowitz | Leave zooming to browser | Oct 10 00:31 |
schestowitz | [00:27] <schestowitz> Does anyone know a theme selector for visitors in WordPress. I can't find any in the plugins library | Oct 10 00:34 |
schestowitz | [00:30] <-- adam-_- has left this server. | Oct 10 00:34 |
schestowitz |  | Oct 10 00:34 |
schestowitz | [00:31] <lysek> hey | Oct 10 00:34 |
schestowitz | [00:31] <lysek> how do i make firefox reload the style? | Oct 10 00:34 |
schestowitz | [00:31] <sivel> Ctrl-Shift-R | Oct 10 00:34 |
schestowitz | [00:31] <sivel> at least on Windows and Linux | Oct 10 00:34 |
schestowitz | [00:31] <Dr-Linux|home> Marko_: i'm sorry but thanks for your help | Oct 10 00:34 |
schestowitz | Useless | Oct 10 00:35 |
trmanco | heh | Oct 10 00:37 |
trmanco | might be better in the mailing lists | Oct 10 00:37 |
schestowitz | No. | Oct 10 00:39 |
schestowitz | I have mailing lists | Oct 10 00:39 |
schestowitz | I only post the WP-hacker stats now | Oct 10 00:39 |
trmanco | n00bs | Oct 10 00:42 |
schestowitz | Nope | Oct 10 00:42 |
schestowitz | wp-hackers has the core people | Oct 10 00:42 |
schestowitz | But it's slow to read | Oct 10 00:42 |
schestowitz | irc is fast | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:37] <Marko_> does anyone know how to fix all in one seo : you dont have permission to access this page? | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:37] <ansimation> jdingman, ping | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:38] --> conorp has joined this channel (n=conorp@58.175.168.130). | Oct 10 00:43 |
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schestowitz | [00:40] <schestowitz> Marko_: you need to do some setup | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:40] <schestowitz> The new version requires that you configure it first and enable | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:40] <schestowitz> It's not intuitive (wasn't for me anyway) | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:40] <Marko_> i cant access configuration panel at all | Oct 10 00:43 |
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schestowitz | [00:40] <schestowitz> jus tthe plugin? | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:40] <Marko_> i can just see plugin installed | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:40] <Marko_> if i go to cpanel, get that error | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:41] * schestowitz waves at trmanco | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:41] <ansimation> shower, back in a few | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:41] <schestowitz> cpanel???? | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:41] <jdingman> ansimation, I had an idea, did some research, found out there were people already doing it -- no need to re-invent the wheel, so nvm on that ping. | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:41] <Marko_> configuration panel | Oct 10 00:43 |
trmanco | I mean irc | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:41] <Marko_> for the allinone | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:41] <schestowitz> Not sure then, sorry | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:42] <sivel> jdingman: you trying to make ansimation do unnecessary work? | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz |  | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:42] <Marko_> tnx anyway | Oct 10 00:43 |
schestowitz | [00:42] <schestowitz> np | Oct 10 00:44 |
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schestowitz | ------- | Oct 10 09:01 |
schestowitz | You need to dig into "confirmatory application". Andre is quite | Oct 10 09:01 |
schestowitz | familiar with it. | Oct 10 09:01 |
schestowitz | next time you write about zuck, try to have a good picture of him, he | Oct 10 09:01 |
schestowitz | looks so american :-) | Oct 10 09:01 |
schestowitz | --- | Oct 10 09:01 |
schestowitz | EC is useless | Oct 10 09:01 |
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schestowitz | > "Zonker and Perlow are now colleagues at ZDNet." | Oct 10 20:09 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 10 20:09 |
schestowitz | > We are not. We -were- colleagues at ZDNet. Zonker wrote his last blog | Oct 10 20:09 |
schestowitz | > entry in July and is no longer writing for ZDNet. You can see that | Oct 10 20:09 |
schestowitz | > quite clearly if you look at his post history. | Oct 10 20:09 |
schestowitz | > http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | Oct 10 20:09 |
schestowitz | Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh....... | Oct 10 20:09 |
schestowitz | I wondered why he hadn't written for so long. | Oct 10 20:09 |
schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/09/google-ditches-the-google-base-search-page | Oct 10 20:27 |
schestowitz | Shame for Google... | Oct 10 20:27 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu update coughs...: | Oct 10 20:44 |
schestowitz | Error Type: | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | Error Value: "The cache has no package named 'dpkg-exec'" | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 1948, in | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | main() | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 1945, in main | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | run(args, options.single) | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 1907, in run | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | backend.dispatcher(args) | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | File : /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/packagekit/backend.py, line 636, in dispatcher | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | self.dispatch_command(args[0], args[1:]) | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | File : /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/packagekit/backend.py, line 611, in dispatch_command | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | self.update_packages(package_ids) | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 166, in _unlock_cache_afterwards | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | func(*args, **kwargs) | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 1095, in update_packages | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | if not self._commit_changes(): return False | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 1620, in _commit_changes | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | PackageKitInstallProgress(self, install_range)) | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | File : /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apt/cache.py, line 314, in commit | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | res = self.installArchives(pm, installProgress) | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | File : /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apt/cache.py, line 289, in installArchives | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | res = installProgress.run(pm) | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | File : /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apt/progress/__init__.py, line 329, in run | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | res = self.waitChild() | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | File : /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apt/progress/__init__.py, line 298, in waitChild | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | self.updateInterface() | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 398, in updateInterface | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | apt.progress.InstallProgress.updateInterface(self) | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | File : /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apt/progress/__init__.py, line 277, in updateInterface | Oct 10 20:45 |
schestowitz | status_str.strip()) | Oct 10 20:46 |
schestowitz | File : /usr/share/PackageKit/helpers/apt/aptBackend.py, line 372, in statusChange | Oct 10 20:46 |
schestowitz | pkg = self._backend._cache[pkg_name] | Oct 10 20:46 |
schestowitz | File : /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apt/cache.py, line 142, in __getitem__ | Oct 10 20:46 |
schestowitz | raise KeyError('The cache has no package named $r' $ key) | Oct 10 20:46 |
schestowitz | from zdnet: | Oct 10 20:48 |
schestowitz | > FWIW, we are going to have another prominent Open Source community | Oct 10 20:48 |
schestowitz | > leader take over the column soon, hopefully. Finding the people to | Oct 10 20:48 |
schestowitz | > have the time to do it is a major obstacle. | Oct 10 20:48 |
trmanco | ./archive: | Oct 10 23:37 |
trmanco | total 23M | Oct 10 23:37 |
schestowitz | Mine is bigger | Oct 10 23:37 |
schestowitz | I've just had to clean up | Oct 10 23:38 |
schestowitz | It take ages to back up this stuff | Oct 10 23:38 |
schestowitz | I have it running from two PCs even | Oct 10 23:38 |
trmanco | that is the bot's current archive | Oct 10 23:38 |
trmanco | I'll do backups and compressed files when it reaches a certain limit | Oct 10 23:39 |
schestowitz | doesn't include graphics even | Oct 10 23:39 |
trmanco | nope | Oct 10 23:39 |
trmanco | just text | Oct 10 23:39 |
trmanco | or more precisely, html markup | Oct 10 23:39 |
schestowitz | "This is a major failure of your software management system. Please check for broken packages with synaptic, check the file permissions and correctness of the file '/etc/apt/sources.list' and reload the software information with: 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get install -f'" | Oct 11 00:53 |
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schestowitz | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=158 Lefty Makes Sexist Comments | Oct 11 10:18 |
MinceR | oh the irony. | Oct 11 11:09 |
trmanco | lol | Oct 11 11:40 |
trmanco | he links to BN | Oct 11 11:41 |
trmanco | who is mr.pwnage? | Oct 11 11:44 |
trmanco | heh | Oct 11 11:44 |
trmanco | another dude taking on lefty | Oct 11 11:45 |
trmanco | and he/she is from ontario :D | Oct 11 11:46 |
schestowitz | David has many enemies | Oct 11 12:20 |
schestowitz | Since the 90s | Oct 11 12:21 |
trmanco | are you logging this? | Oct 11 12:21 |
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trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/11807413 | Oct 11 15:47 |
schestowitz | > Roy Schestowitz wrote: | Oct 11 19:53 |
schestowitz | > [..] | Oct 11 19:53 |
schestowitz | >>> I did use zoom, but that seems like a temp workaround so I thought I | Oct 11 19:53 |
schestowitz | >>> would let you know. I change PCs and browsers frequently, so would be | Oct 11 19:53 |
schestowitz | >>> nice if you could have a more regular size! | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | >> | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | >> Let me see if I can add style selectors to the site. Esp. for you..... | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | > Great | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | I spent about an hour chasing it up, without success :-( I've asked around too. | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | >>> BTW, could you add a contact email address to boycott novel? and your | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | >>> blog, was really hard to find your email address! | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | >> | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | >> We usually use IRC. :-) | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | >> | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | >> http://boycottnovell.com/irc-channel/ | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | >> | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | >> It's a lot faster. | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | > Ah yes. I didn't realise there was a channel, perhaps that could be | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | > added to a "contact us" page. | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | Great idea. I'll do it now. | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | Oct 11 19:54 | |
schestowitz | > I would use IRC more, but my client's firewall blocks it.. I guess I | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | > should set up a VPN tunnel over SSH or so to get out more! | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | Does the Web-based UI not work? | Oct 11 19:54 |
schestowitz | wallclimber has been away for a long while..... | Oct 11 20:56 |
schestowitz | I should mail her..... | Oct 11 20:56 |
schestowitz | I'll be on FLOSS weekly on Wednesday < http://www.twit.tv/FLOSS >, 3 shows after Linus. | Oct 11 20:56 |
schestowitz | Leo likes Miguel :-( | Oct 11 20:57 |
schestowitz | http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/2009/10/10/morons/ | Oct 11 22:50 |
trmanco | who is Leo? | Oct 11 22:50 |
schestowitz | The host | Oct 11 23:00 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_laporte | Oct 11 23:00 |
trmanco | oh | Oct 11 23:01 |
schestowitz | http://live.twit.tv/ | Oct 11 23:04 |
schestowitz | http://irc.twit.tv/ | Oct 11 23:06 |
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schestowitz | Oct 12 11:04:09 <trmanco>what happened to roy? | Oct 12 13:25 |
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schestowitz | Routing issues, trmanco | Oct 12 13:25 |
schestowitz | So I took off to the gym :-D | Oct 12 13:25 |
trmanco | ah ok, wb | Oct 12 13:25 |
schestowitz | I have a separate server at my office logging anyway | Oct 12 13:26 |
fewa | what a film | Oct 12 13:38 |
fewa | who killed the electric car? | Oct 12 13:38 |
fewa | really good | Oct 12 13:39 |
fewa | you should watch it | Oct 12 13:39 |
schestowitz | Is it on YT? :-) | Oct 12 13:40 |
fewa | no | Oct 12 13:43 |
fewa | where ur latex/lyx templates/layouts? | Oct 12 14:12 |
schestowitz | http://wiki.lyx.org/Examples/Thesis | Oct 12 14:14 |
fewa | how do you highlight test? | Oct 12 14:22 |
fewa | ie yellow | Oct 12 14:22 |
fewa | *text | Oct 12 14:22 |
schestowitz | It lyx? | Oct 12 14:28 |
schestowitz | *in | Oct 12 14:29 |
fewa | yeah | Oct 12 14:29 |
schestowitz | In order version you needed a colour package in the preamble IIRC | Oct 12 14:30 |
fewa | ah o | Oct 12 14:30 |
fewa | k | Oct 12 14:30 |
fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zO-XKEY8PQ | Oct 12 14:37 |
fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7Mpe7XfODk <--trailer | Oct 12 14:37 |
fewa | looks fan done... | Oct 12 14:38 |
fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIwYwAQ8juI | Oct 12 14:43 |
fewa | wow no transmission | Oct 12 14:47 |
schestowitz | As I understand it, they also killed public transportations | Oct 12 14:54 |
fewa | schestowitz, and they were found guilty of criminal conspiracy | Oct 12 14:54 |
schestowitz | Yes | Oct 12 14:54 |
fewa | and they use patents to crush competition | Oct 12 14:54 |
schestowitz | Settled for a meal's worth | Oct 12 14:54 |
fewa | why patents should be destroyed | Oct 12 14:54 |
fewa | more harm than good | Oct 12 14:54 |
fewa | crony capitalism | Oct 12 14:56 |
schestowitz | Hehe. http://seife.kernalert.de/blog/2009/10/10/morons/comment-page-1/#comment-12925 | Oct 12 14:56 |
schestowitz | Makes you angry, eh? | Oct 12 14:59 |
schestowitz | Well, luckily the UK has decent public transportition | Oct 12 14:59 |
fewa | not really, just sad | Oct 12 14:59 |
fewa | its what will destroy the ability for the planet to sustain us | Oct 12 14:59 |
fewa | at least 1 billion that will have to move due to ocean flooding | Oct 12 15:00 |
fewa | all those deaths, and only a few that created the problem | Oct 12 15:01 |
fewa | guilty sons of a bitches | Oct 12 15:01 |
fewa | the state-corporate government | Oct 12 15:01 |
schestowitz | Many of them in their 50s | Oct 12 15:01 |
fewa | of the US | Oct 12 15:01 |
schestowitz | They don't have to worry much | Oct 12 15:02 |
schestowitz | Banana Republic | Oct 12 15:02 |
schestowitz | National Fruit..... | Oct 12 15:02 |
fewa | its just sad | Oct 12 15:02 |
fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_sea_level_rise | Oct 12 15:04 |
fewa | http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA11002 | Oct 12 15:06 |
fewa | WUT | Oct 12 15:06 |
schestowitz | One cm per year in Pacific | Oct 12 15:08 |
fewa | but its hows as uneven | Oct 12 15:09 |
fewa | how is that possible? | Oct 12 15:09 |
fewa | is it the actual ocean or a atmospheric thing? | Oct 12 15:09 |
fewa | just doesn't make sens | Oct 12 15:10 |
fewa | or i guess | Oct 12 15:11 |
schestowitz | Pressures | Oct 12 15:11 |
fewa | since red on west, blue on easy | Oct 12 15:11 |
schestowitz | Like ides | Oct 12 15:11 |
schestowitz | *tides | Oct 12 15:11 |
fewa | yeah flows | Oct 12 15:11 |
fewa | general direction of tides | Oct 12 15:12 |
fewa | and the big blue is a eddy? | Oct 12 15:12 |
fewa | because no way out | Oct 12 15:12 |
fewa | thing is this is change* | Oct 12 15:12 |
fewa | not just general levels | Oct 12 15:12 |
fewa | seems it would equalize in <month | Oct 12 15:12 |
fewa | thinking of how much water moves arounds with tides | Oct 12 15:13 |
fewa | *lots* of water | Oct 12 15:13 |
fewa | well, i guess at equator its only +-1 ft.... | Oct 12 15:14 |
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schestowitz | NASA has no record of deceiving that I know of | Oct 12 15:45 |
fewa | no im not saying that | Oct 12 15:53 |
fewa | just saying its something i do not understand | Oct 12 15:53 |
schestowitz | They could measure ice levels :-) | Oct 12 15:54 |
schestowitz | Or do satellite footage, over time | Oct 12 15:54 |
schestowitz | Some German ship manages to go above Russian seas to get to Asia | Oct 12 15:55 |
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schestowitz | > hi, | Oct 12 19:45 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 12 19:45 |
schestowitz | > @xxt that's why I call it "Vista 7" (since 2008) | Oct 12 19:45 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 12 19:45 |
schestowitz | > I have noticed your use of Vista 7 on your BN blog, and I think that it | Oct 12 19:45 |
schestowitz | > is very clever. I almost used that trick here on this Dent, but then I | Oct 12 19:45 |
schestowitz | > thought that it would be confusing. Vista 7 works when you have enough | Oct 12 19:45 |
schestowitz | > space to to explain it, and then it is really clever and to the point. | Oct 12 19:45 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 12 19:45 |
schestowitz | > That's what I like about that article that I had Dented: it is one of | Oct 12 19:45 |
schestowitz | > the first "mainstream" posts that I have seen with a negative impression | Oct 12 19:46 |
schestowitz | > of Vista 7. | Oct 12 19:46 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 12 19:46 |
schestowitz | > I have also seen your clever GIMP work with Vista 7 pictures of | Oct 12 19:46 |
schestowitz | > Microsoft Senior Management standing in front of Vista 7 banners, etc. | Oct 12 19:46 |
schestowitz | > Quite clever, very funny, works well. heh. | Oct 12 19:46 |
schestowitz | Vista 7 -- like FS -- takes just 3 seconds to explain, as RMS puts it. | Oct 12 19:46 |
schestowitz | Why Vista 7? Cause it's just Vista redone. People can understand that. :-) | Oct 12 19:46 |
schestowitz | "Re: Snow Leopard stole from Windows 7" | Oct 12 19:48 |
schestowitz | > Apart from Snow Leopard being out before Windows 7, is any of this true ? | Oct 12 19:48 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 12 19:48 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 12 19:48 |
schestowitz | > "Although Mac fanboys and Windows zealots don't like to admit it, the | Oct 12 19:48 |
schestowitz | > fact is that both Windows 7 and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard contain | Oct 12 19:48 |
schestowitz | > features that originated in the other OS. Some features were stolen so | Oct 12 19:48 |
schestowitz | > long ago that they've become part of the computing landscape, and it's | Oct 12 19:48 |
schestowitz | > difficult to remember who invented what" | Oct 12 19:48 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 12 19:48 |
schestowitz | > http://www.infoworld.com/d/windows/apple-versus-microsoft-top-20-stolen-ideas-os-wars-046 | Oct 12 19:48 |
schestowitz | Probably true to some degree. | Oct 12 19:48 |
MinceR | "the other OS" being GNU/Linux, yes :> | Oct 12 19:48 |
schestowitz | Yes | Oct 12 19:50 |
schestowitz | KDE for example | Oct 12 19:50 |
schestowitz | But going a while back it's also true that KDE took some of the things Microsoft took from others | Oct 12 19:50 |
schestowitz | That's how it works | Oct 12 19:50 |
schestowitz | User expectations | Oct 12 19:50 |
MinceR | and they all took the most fundamental things from Xerox PARC | Oct 12 19:52 |
schestowitz | Yes. | Oct 12 19:53 |
schestowitz | People don't remember this | Oct 12 19:53 |
schestowitz | They remember popularisers | Oct 12 19:53 |
schestowitz | Sometimes companies over the original inventors | Oct 12 19:53 |
MinceR | all hail The Almighty Money and all worship The Almight Companies that have so much of it. | Oct 12 19:54 |
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fewa | WTF is a "factor arket" | Oct 12 20:26 |
fewa | sounds like betting | Oct 12 20:26 |
fewa | or a form of derivitive | Oct 12 20:26 |
MinceR | well, if "factoring" is selling debts, then "factor market" might be a market of debts | Oct 12 20:27 |
MinceR | but i'm just guessing here | Oct 12 20:27 |
fewa | factoring is spliting a number into its factorrs.... | Oct 12 20:28 |
fewa | MinceR, so its a derivitive | Oct 12 20:28 |
fewa | basicly gambling | Oct 12 20:28 |
schestowitz | Don't worry | Oct 12 20:29 |
schestowitz | It's a safe gamble | Oct 12 20:29 |
schestowitz | If it works, you get rich | Oct 12 20:29 |
schestowitz | If it fails, the public bails you out | Oct 12 20:29 |
schestowitz | Thus "too big to fail" | Oct 12 20:29 |
MinceR | :) | Oct 12 20:30 |
fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNDArT0PpxE | Oct 12 20:30 |
fewa | honestly they should have just dumped the whole thing | Oct 12 20:33 |
fewa | fact is they have a role in it too | Oct 12 20:33 |
fewa | cant see it go under | Oct 12 20:33 |
fewa | the state-corporate alliance | Oct 12 20:33 |
schestowitz | Thanks for the video | Oct 12 21:16 |
schestowitz | Queued for viewing | Oct 12 21:16 |
schestowitz | BTW, MJ has a new video | Oct 12 21:16 |
schestowitz | michaeljackson.com | Oct 12 21:16 |
schestowitz | Sucks badly IMHO | Oct 12 21:16 |
schestowitz | Boring tune | Oct 12 21:16 |
schestowitz | And they make headlines about it | Oct 12 21:16 |
schestowitz | fewa: I watch the car thing | Oct 12 21:25 |
schestowitz | But fewa, it take gas pollution at the electricity/power plants | Oct 12 21:27 |
schestowitz | China makes electric cars these days | Oct 12 21:28 |
trmanco | "Bullshit, this is not about threat of legal action, it's about Apple's general "we don't do porn" image that they want to protect. How would you feel if Microsoft decided to block porn on your PC because they don't do porn? And anyway there are millions of books on Project Guttenberg and maybe a dozen of them could be qualified as adult lit - such as Kamasutra. And they have banned apps for stupider reasons. My point is that whoever | Oct 12 23:43 |
trmanco | sells me my device should not have a say in what I'm allowed to run on it. I payed for my device and I will pay for any app I want to buy." | Oct 12 23:43 |
trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/9svev/monty_python_wrote_microsoft_nets/ | Oct 13 00:20 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/12/hp_emc_openworld/ | Oct 13 00:27 |
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schestowitz | === | Oct 13 08:28 |
schestowitz | > It seems that the different parts of Boycottnovell use different | Oct 13 08:28 |
schestowitz | > passwords. :( The Wiki is different from the commentary. | Oct 13 08:28 |
schestowitz | Yes, unifying those would require something more complicated like LDAP. I don't even wanna go there... | Oct 13 08:28 |
schestowitz | We could use help around the Wiki, especially with post indices (lists). | Oct 13 08:28 |
schestowitz | === | Oct 13 08:28 |
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schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8AqBGpVsbA | Oct 13 08:34 |
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trmanco | schestowitz: execute this -> /msg ChanServ set #boycottnovell mlock -c | Oct 13 16:38 |
trmanco | http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/356576/67d6daf94e2fd841/ | Oct 13 18:54 |
trmanco | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Oct-12.html | Oct 13 20:00 |
trmanco | pft | Oct 13 20:00 |
trmanco | ... | Oct 13 20:00 |
MinceR | if they wanted a slower git, why didn't they use mercurial? :> | Oct 13 20:01 |
trmanco | mercurial isn't slower | Oct 13 20:03 |
trmanco | it's actually faster than git on certain tasks | Oct 13 20:03 |
trmanco | but the thing is | Oct 13 20:03 |
MinceR | and slower on certain other tasks? | Oct 13 20:03 |
trmanco | why re-invent the wheel? | Oct 13 20:04 |
trmanco | yes | Oct 13 20:04 |
trmanco | it's a matter of seconds | Oct 13 20:04 |
MinceR | that would depend on how big the changeset is, wouldn't it? | Oct 13 20:05 |
trmanco | yes | Oct 13 20:05 |
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schestowitz | Snow Leopard data-munching bug predates Snow Leopard < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/13/snow_leopard_data_eating_bug_predates_now_leopard/ > | Oct 14 03:01 |
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trmanco | geeze | Oct 14 21:51 |
trmanco | that twit tb channel is full of trolls | Oct 14 21:51 |
trmanco | tv* | Oct 14 21:51 |
trmanco | and directhex included | Oct 14 21:51 |
trmanco | though he hasn't trolled yet | Oct 14 21:51 |
trmanco | the trolls are anonymous | Oct 14 21:51 |
trmanco | <Web754>: jonobacon: Jesus, ask him a real quesiton, like how he feels with calling for a boycott of ubuntu, and sending his shill army out to troll the ubuntu lists, being caught with a pgp signed email proving his complacency and denying it | Oct 14 21:52 |
trmanco | <Web754>: jonobacon: Jesus, ask him a real quesiton, like how he feels with calling for a boycott of ubuntu, and sending his shill army out to troll the ubuntu lists, being caught with a pgp signed email proving his complacency and denying it | Oct 14 21:52 |
trmanco | oops | Oct 14 21:52 |
trmanco | <Roebot>: WOW!! WTF! Boycott novell insinuating Microsoft drove Reiser to kill his wife: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/09/irc-log-08082008/#tAug%2008%2019:59:14 | Oct 14 21:52 |
trmanco | <YO_MAMA>: roy is just an epic troll | Oct 14 21:58 |
trmanco | <directhex>: so. anyone have any questions r.e. mono? /me is one of the maintainers in debian/ubuntu | Oct 14 22:00 |
trmanco | <directhex>: Web1604: there's a whole bunch of stuff that mono does but .net cannot | Oct 14 22:05 |
trmanco | he failed to say what | Oct 14 22:05 |
trmanco | <Roebot>: This guy is seriously mentally ill. Seriously. We are listening to a paranoid schizophrenic. | Oct 14 22:33 |
trmanco | <edin>: roy is a paranoid troll, deserves no air time on twit imho | Oct 14 22:43 |
trmanco | <Web223>: Spamowitz is how they call him there | Oct 14 22:44 |
trmanco | <RedTroll>: Then why wasn't Roy "prepared" if he had weeks to prepare. | Oct 14 22:50 |
trmanco | <raynet>: RedTroll: it is actually quite difficult to come up with a response to a long interview on the spot | Oct 14 22:52 |
trmanco | <RedTroll>: He was asked questions and kept mentioning not "prepared" and other evasion....anyway stimulating show | Oct 14 22:52 |
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trmanco | schestowitz: did you see the log? | Oct 14 23:09 |
trmanco | on this channel | Oct 14 23:09 |
schestowitz | Yes | Oct 14 23:17 |
schestowitz | schestowitz_log: | Oct 14 23:17 |
trmanco | ok | Oct 14 23:17 |
trmanco | redtroll smell like lefty | Oct 14 23:18 |
trmanco | smells* | Oct 14 23:18 |
schestowitz | load average: 12.73, 5.81, 2.82 | Oct 14 23:34 |
schestowitz | trmanco: yes, he would definitely be there | Oct 14 23:35 |
schestowitz | He has thousands like nyms, like flatfish | Oct 14 23:35 |
schestowitz | He's attacking another FOSS advocate these days | Oct 14 23:35 |
trmanco | I can almost say that I was certain about it | Oct 14 23:35 |
schestowitz | Which takes him focus off me | Oct 14 23:35 |
trmanco | but I have no specific proof | Oct 14 23:35 |
trmanco | schestowitz: is your name pronounced schestoVVitz or is it really with a W? | Oct 14 23:55 |
schestowitz | Witz | Oct 15 00:02 |
schestowitz | People mispronounce it a lot | Oct 15 00:02 |
schestowitz | German roots | Oct 15 00:02 |
trmanco | ah | Oct 15 00:03 |
trmanco | I think Leo mispronounced it | Oct 15 00:03 |
schestowitz | They tried to approach personal questions | Oct 15 00:03 |
trmanco | he used a V | Oct 15 00:03 |
schestowitz | What did Leo say befoire and after? | Oct 15 00:03 |
schestowitz | I don't they they keep video recorded? | Oct 15 00:03 |
trmanco | they were pressuring him | Oct 15 00:03 |
schestowitz | I just did the skype segment | Oct 15 00:03 |
trmanco | you should have read the channel | Oct 15 00:03 |
schestowitz | trmanco: jono, right? | Oct 15 00:03 |
schestowitz | They had it planned (in Twitter) | Oct 15 00:04 |
trmanco | yes | Oct 15 00:04 |
trmanco | trolls from irc were pressuring jono | Oct 15 00:04 |
trmanco | and when jono asked you those questions, they would almost go "hooray" for jono | Oct 15 00:04 |
trmanco | I failed to provide examples | Oct 15 00:05 |
trmanco | ... | Oct 15 00:05 |
trmanco | thing like "you go jono" | Oct 15 00:05 |
trmanco | leo said nothing at the beginning about you | Oct 15 00:07 |
schestowitz | Always the same vocal bunch | Oct 15 00:07 |
trmanco | but at the end, he said that you had a point, after he read BN for some novell issues | Oct 15 00:07 |
schestowitz | OK | Oct 15 00:07 |
trmanco | that sure shut up the whole troll crowed for a while | Oct 15 00:07 |
schestowitz | He read some stuff I mailed Jono | Oct 15 00:08 |
trmanco | he said that he did see a problem between novell and microsoft until he read bn, and you have a point | Oct 15 00:08 |
trmanco | I think this was recorded | Oct 15 00:08 |
schestowitz | > * A short bio for each person. Looking for three things: relationship | Oct 15 00:08 |
schestowitz | > to the | Oct 15 00:08 |
schestowitz | > project being discussed, relationship to any other FLOSS (that's the show | Oct 15 00:08 |
schestowitz | > theme, you see), and perhaps a few unusual facts that we wouldn't think | Oct 15 00:08 |
schestowitz | > to ask | Oct 15 00:08 |
schestowitz | > you about to help you stand out from the herd. | Oct 15 00:08 |
schestowitz | At Boycott Novell I'm the editor. I do some FLOSS too. See | Oct 15 00:08 |
schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/proj.htm | Oct 15 00:08 |
schestowitz | Most notable project is: http://othellomaster.com/ | Oct 15 00:08 |
schestowitz | http://freshmeat.net/projects/othellomaster/ | Oct 15 00:08 |
schestowitz | http://sourceforge.net/projects/othellomaster/ | Oct 15 00:08 |
schestowitz | In general, it would be best not to ask me personal questions (non-professional life), but I think what makes it stand out from the herd are my achievements in sports. | Oct 15 00:08 |
schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/sports.htm | Oct 15 00:09 |
schestowitz | > * Any online references that we can skim (and promptly forget) for | Oct 15 00:09 |
trmanco | and he also said that "we" should be careful about you because you're a big "bodybuilder" :-P | Oct 15 00:09 |
schestowitz | > background | Oct 15 00:09 |
schestowitz | > reading. We'll also use these for the show notes. | Oct 15 00:09 |
schestowitz | Some of my key arguments are covered here: | Oct 15 00:09 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/faq/ | Oct 15 00:09 |
schestowitz | The same as in OOXML debate | Oct 15 00:09 |
schestowitz | Trolls in IRC | Oct 15 00:09 |
schestowitz | trmanco: heh. | Oct 15 00:09 |
trmanco | really | Oct 15 00:09 |
trmanco | you should see the end if it was recorded | Oct 15 00:09 |
trmanco | oh | Oct 15 00:09 |
trmanco | they also said that it was bad talking at your back | Oct 15 00:10 |
trmanco | they were talking about you at the end, but nothing bad | Oct 15 00:10 |
schestowitz | Thanks. | Oct 15 00:11 |
schestowitz | It's reassuring, but this was a mess | Oct 15 00:11 |
schestowitz | By bringing up false allegations he just put me in a position where I was annoyed at one stage | Oct 15 00:11 |
schestowitz | ANd saying something like "Think that BN is bad etc." is not something you can counter | Oct 15 00:12 |
schestowitz | Cause it's an opinion | Oct 15 00:12 |
schestowitz | That's a debate trick | Oct 15 00:12 |
schestowitz | "You have been a bad boy" | Oct 15 00:12 |
trmanco | yeah | Oct 15 00:12 |
schestowitz | Repeated many times | Oct 15 00:12 |
trmanco | that's because people were pressuring him | Oct 15 00:12 |
schestowitz | As though the jury is out on this | Oct 15 00:12 |
trmanco | and it was one way on making it interesting | Oct 15 00:12 |
trmanco | there was actually at least one pro schestowitz person | Oct 15 00:14 |
trmanco | but he was outnumbered by the enormous amount on anonymous trolls | Oct 15 00:15 |
schestowitz | THat's OK | Oct 15 00:17 |
schestowitz | People who do things like me get trolls | Oct 15 00:17 |
schestowitz | And they incite against the cause | Oct 15 00:17 |
schestowitz | That's normal | Oct 15 00:17 |
schestowitz | Meh,. | Oct 15 00:32 |
schestowitz | I hate this...... | Oct 15 00:32 |
schestowitz | > I was just talking about you today! You're very welcome for any help I | Oct 15 00:32 |
schestowitz | > was able to give. Always glad to do more if you need. Even when I'm | Oct 15 00:32 |
schestowitz | > busy with work, I can usually find the time. (I know, I really should | Oct 15 00:32 |
schestowitz | > get over my fear of wikis and lend a hand there...we'll see. :o) | Oct 15 00:32 |
schestowitz | Nice. Was worried about you... | Oct 15 00:32 |
schestowitz | Oct 15 00:32 | |
schestowitz | > Sorry I haven't been hangin' out on BN's irc lately. I had some | Oct 15 00:32 |
schestowitz | > problems with it. Apparently someone registered my nick so I couldn't | Oct 15 00:32 |
schestowitz | > use it anymore. I'll get it worked out eventually. I also got very | Oct 15 00:32 |
schestowitz | > (very!) angry at someone on BN's irc and decided it would be best to | Oct 15 00:32 |
schestowitz | > just stay away from it for a while. | Oct 15 00:32 |
schestowitz | Who was that person? I won't mention this to him. I have some arsehole there I can't kickban. :-( | Oct 15 00:32 |
schestowitz | > However, I've still been reading your new articles with my coffee every | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | > morning and the irc logs in the evenings. | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | Good. I envision those whom I think will read it. | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | > I've been painting a wall this last couple of weeks, along with other | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | > work, so life's been pretty hectic lately. The wall is just a small one | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | > this time, thankfully. It's also the most traditional one I've ever | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | > done, so if it hadn't been for the hot weather (and wind...argh) it | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | > would have been an easy painting job. It's not finished yet, but you | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | > can see how it's coming along from the pics (they are "before & after" | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | > pics). | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | Will look in a second. | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | > That's great that you're on FLOSS weekly...I shall definitely check it | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | > out! That's the one with Jono Bacon, yes? | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | It was a disaster. Trolls took over Twit.tv IRC and called for accusations and false allegations to be made against me. But never mind that.... | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | > I hope all is well with you...and thanks for writing. I'll check back | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | > into irc again one of these days and say hi. In the meantime, take good | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | > care! | Oct 15 00:33 |
schestowitz | Good video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVo1lQXzmus&feature=related | Oct 15 02:40 |
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fewa | why is Mutex_ allowed in the channel? | Oct 15 06:14 |
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schestowitz | Flatf*? http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-14-022-35-OP-DT-0001 | Oct 15 09:59 |
trmanco | simple fix -> http://bitbucket.org/trmanco/phirce/changeset/3d47a8020c37/ | Oct 15 11:41 |
schestowitz | Nice. | Oct 15 11:49 |
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trmanco | http://twitter.com/Elland_Road | Oct 15 16:31 |
schestowitz | it's one of his nyms, I reckon | Oct 15 17:23 |
trmanco | oh it is | Oct 15 17:38 |
trmanco | what an idiot | Oct 15 17:38 |
trmanco | I don't get why people do this | Oct 15 17:38 |
trmanco | is it that they don't have the balls to post the stuff under their own real names? | Oct 15 17:38 |
schestowitz | Illusion of crowds | Oct 15 17:41 |
schestowitz | Like Flat* | Oct 15 17:41 |
schestowitz | Escaping mental/real filters | Oct 15 17:41 |
trmanco | but he is different | Oct 15 17:41 |
schestowitz | Not much different | Oct 15 17:42 |
trmanco | he doesn't represent anything of foss | Oct 15 17:42 |
schestowitz | I spoke to jono about this last night after the show... | Oct 15 17:42 |
schestowitz | For about an hour | Oct 15 17:42 |
schestowitz | He'd been fed many lies about me | Oct 15 17:42 |
schestowitz | From the slanderers who claim I blamed Microsoft for Reiser | Oct 15 17:42 |
schestowitz | [17:42] <trmanco> he doesn't represent anything of foss | Oct 15 17:43 |
schestowitz | Neither is he | Oct 15 17:43 |
schestowitz | He's not a FOSS person | Oct 15 17:43 |
schestowitz | He's a MARKETING guy | Oct 15 17:43 |
schestowitz | He's not a technology person | Oct 15 17:43 |
trmanco | yes | Oct 15 17:43 |
trmanco | that was going on in the irc channel yesterday | Oct 15 17:43 |
trmanco | some idiot | Oct 15 17:43 |
schestowitz | Apple/ACCESS whatever... | Oct 15 17:43 |
trmanco | named redtroll | Oct 15 17:43 |
trmanco | lefty has something to do with limo | Oct 15 17:43 |
schestowitz | He went to a 5th grade college to study thetre | Oct 15 17:43 |
schestowitz | he's not FOSS | Oct 15 17:43 |
schestowitz | He just uses the "FOSS" to make income | Oct 15 17:43 |
trmanco | what is a 5th grade college? | Oct 15 17:44 |
schestowitz | No-namers | Oct 15 17:44 |
trmanco | a terrible one? | Oct 15 17:44 |
schestowitz | Yes | Oct 15 17:44 |
trmanco | LOL | Oct 15 17:44 |
MinceR | i thought crApple and access weren't related | Oct 15 19:08 |
schestowitz | Both proprietary | Oct 15 19:28 |
MinceR | that isn't saying much | Oct 15 20:08 |
schestowitz | Exactly. | Oct 15 20:47 |
trmanco | you were right | Oct 15 21:43 |
trmanco | the closer we get to the launch of windows 7, more stupid troll nyms com into cola attacking linux | Oct 15 21:44 |
schestowitz | It's gary | Oct 15 22:13 |
schestowitz | But they'll have a reunion (all the usual trolls with new nyms) soon | Oct 15 22:13 |
trmanco | lol | Oct 15 22:37 |
trmanco | all from the same server using windows and all the same client | Oct 15 22:37 |
schestowitz | You'll see | Oct 15 23:16 |
schestowitz | it happened every time there is a release | Oct 15 23:16 |
schestowitz | The show's up: http://www.twit.tv/floss91 | Oct 15 23:45 |
schestowitz | I f***ing hate my voice, but I can at least listen to what they said after I had gone offline | Oct 15 23:45 |
schestowitz | Leo was indeed supportive as I see it now, more than I anticipated | Oct 15 23:46 |
trmanco | :) | Oct 15 23:54 |
trmanco | I like you voice | Oct 15 23:54 |
trmanco | you don't sound british | Oct 15 23:54 |
trmanco | it's sometimes hard for the english people from the other side of the globe to fully understand the british accent at first :-P | Oct 15 23:55 |
trmanco | your* | Oct 15 23:58 |
schestowitz | I spoke to jono for a long time last night | Oct 16 00:05 |
schestowitz | It was different when he's not reading the trolls on irc and grilling | Oct 16 00:05 |
trmanco | as I said | Oct 16 00:08 |
trmanco | there was a large amount of pressure coming from the troll poll channel | Oct 16 00:08 |
schestowitz | I'm still hoping not many people listen to the show | Oct 16 01:22 |
schestowitz | I don't give links :-) | Oct 16 01:22 |
schestowitz | But wallclimber found it somehow... :-o | Oct 16 01:22 |
schestowitz | === | Oct 16 01:22 |
schestowitz | "It was a disaster. Trolls took over Twit.tv IRC and called for accusations and false allegations to be made against me. But never mind that..." | Oct 16 01:22 |
schestowitz | .................................................. | Oct 16 01:22 |
schestowitz | Hey! Hi! | Oct 16 01:22 |
schestowitz | I just now listened to the FLOSS Weekly episode that you were on, it took you a while to hit your stride (I could tell that you were a little nervous at first), but you handled it very nicely. The first guy that was asking you questions seemed like he was being intentionally obtuse, he'd apparently been absorbing a lot of troll-postings just before the show...hmph! >:o( | Oct 16 01:23 |
schestowitz | You answered the question about spammers very well! | Oct 16 01:23 |
schestowitz | And I cheered when you explained why you keep doing what you do. Very nice answer. | Oct 16 01:23 |
schestowitz | All in all, you countered their rather hostile questions beautifully. | Oct 16 01:23 |
schestowitz | Regarding Jono's passive/aggressive rant, when he was telling you that you should be more public about disassociating BN from spammers, I wish you had thought to say: "Well, that's exactly what I am doing right now, Jono"...because apparently he was so busy lecturing you he didn't notice...he seemed to dwell on that issue far longer than it deserved. | Oct 16 01:23 |
schestowitz | Seriously, I don't think you should call the show a "disaster" at all! | Oct 16 01:23 |
schestowitz | You know, when people like Bill Gates and Stevie Ballmer are interviewed, they are never put on a hot seat like that (at least not since the big anti-trust trial). Nobody ever asks them uncomfortable questions, and neither one of them could have held up to that kind of hostile interrogation with NEARLY as much poise as you did. (Bill would have curled up in his chair and whimpered, Steve would have just thrown the chair and | Oct 16 01:23 |
schestowitz | stomped off. :) | Oct 16 01:23 |
schestowitz | You stayed the course, you stayed calm, and you should be very proud of having done such a good job. | Oct 16 01:23 |
schestowitz | Applause, applause, applause!! | Oct 16 01:23 |
schestowitz | :o) | Oct 16 01:23 |
schestowitz | === | Oct 16 01:23 |
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schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm | Oct 16 10:26 |
schestowitz | Quote. | Oct 16 10:26 |
schestowitz | === | Oct 16 10:26 |
schestowitz | I'm glad to hear it, but if there's any beer later, he should pay for it. He owes you one. | Oct 16 10:26 |
schestowitz | What makes me upset is that those who have gone out of their way to smear BN (and Groklaw and anyone else that writes pro-free software articles), then seem to turn around and say they are just trying to express an opinion. But anyone who disagrees should just be quiet and don't rock the boat. | Oct 16 10:26 |
schestowitz | Jono insisting on you answering his question about whether you think BN actually harms Open Source, was unseemly. I liked that you told him that it might be harming "Open Source" agendas, but not Free Software. He needed to hear that. | Oct 16 10:26 |
schestowitz | Also, the Jeremy Alison article "Monomania" is one that Jono should read. Jeremy also knows what it's like to have his reputation smeared by Microsoft. Everyone goes on and on about how valuable Miguel is, but is his opinion more valuable or more credible than Jeremy's? | Oct 16 10:26 |
schestowitz | Also, it seemed odd to me that the other interviewer (I can't remember his name) couldn't see a problem with Microsoft slithering into the Free Software community. He acknowledged that they were only interested in furthering their own profits, but he never seemed to question why GNU/Linux companies should be interested in helping Microsoft to do that. | Oct 16 10:26 |
schestowitz | Why welcome someone that needs to be constantly watched to make sure they play by the rules??? | Oct 16 10:27 |
schestowitz | What made me lose respect for Jono was that it was obvious he knew his questions were pandering to the hostile elements, the ones that make so much noise and cause so much grief. After you were off the air, Jono and the other guy both sounded apologetic because of the loaded and hostile questions they'd asked. | Oct 16 10:27 |
schestowitz | Ok...I'll stop, sorry for the rant. Maybe I should write to Jono and tell him what I think? (just kidding) | Oct 16 10:27 |
schestowitz | === | Oct 16 10:27 |
schestowitz | /quote | Oct 16 10:27 |
oiaohm | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/10/15/2121214/Sonar-Software-Detects-Laptop-User-Presence Hmm we are getting too many ways to find people | Oct 16 10:31 |
MinceR | i think i'll find that locking useful, if it will work on my laptops | Oct 16 10:33 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/16/royal_mail_website_outage/ | Oct 16 10:33 |
schestowitz | Who still uses mail much anyway? | Oct 16 10:33 |
oiaohm | MinceR: I was wonder if distributed sonar will be possiable. if so that could be useful for locating the boss comming and other bad things. | Oct 16 10:35 |
MinceR | :) | Oct 16 10:41 |
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schestowitz | My cousin: | Oct 16 14:56 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 16 14:56 |
schestowitz | Wow, just ran across your FLOSS appearance…I never miss any of Leo's and the other TWIT podcasts!!! | Oct 16 14:56 |
schestowitz | I can't wait to listen to yours….Maybe I can find their live stream too. | Oct 16 14:56 |
schestowitz | Oct 16 14:56 | |
schestowitz | Scott | Oct 16 14:56 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 16 14:56 |
schestowitz | > I COMPLETELY DISAGREE!...You communicated very well and confronted the tough questions in an attempt to hold your feet to the fire. I mean it, you came off intelligent and well informed. I only wish you would have had a webcam! | Oct 16 14:56 |
schestowitz | You you watch it as video? | Oct 16 14:56 |
schestowitz | http://odtv.me/2009/10/floss-91/ | Oct 16 14:56 |
schestowitz | === | Oct 16 14:56 |
schestowitz | No, that was bad.... | Oct 16 14:56 |
schestowitz | I was very uncomfortable, distracted. It just wasn't 'me' | Oct 16 14:57 |
schestowitz | Traffic in BN is up like 10% in recent days because of the show | Oct 16 14:57 |
trmanco | Output #0, ogg, to 'floss91.ogv': | Oct 16 16:54 |
trmanco | Stream #0.0(und): Video: libtheora, yuv420p, 480x270 [PAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], q=2-31, 200 kb/s, 90k tbn, 24 tbc | Oct 16 16:54 |
trmanco | Stream #0.1(und): Audio: flac, 44100 Hz, mono, s16, 64 kb/s | Oct 16 16:54 |
trmanco | Stream mapping: | Oct 16 16:54 |
trmanco | Stream #0.0 -> #0.0 | Oct 16 16:54 |
trmanco | Stream #0.1 -> #0.1 | Oct 16 16:54 |
trmanco | Press [q] to stop encoding | Oct 16 16:54 |
trmanco | :) | Oct 16 16:54 |
trmanco | oops | Oct 16 16:56 |
trmanco | I forgot the audio | Oct 16 16:56 |
trmanco | ah, it's gnu | Oct 16 16:57 |
schestowitz | Oh cool. | Oct 16 16:57 |
trmanco | so no problem there | Oct 16 16:57 |
schestowitz | But I can't get myself to post this in BN | Oct 16 16:57 |
schestowitz | I'm too uncomfortable with it | Oct 16 16:57 |
trmanco | it's too big also | Oct 16 16:57 |
schestowitz | It's just not me. I was not myself. | Oct 16 16:57 |
schestowitz | It's not too big | Oct 16 16:58 |
schestowitz | If people stream it, it's not an issue | Oct 16 16:58 |
schestowitz | CPU/RAM, not b/w, is the issue | Oct 16 16:58 |
schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Open-source-Game-Editor-for-Linux-and-Windows-830690.html | Oct 16 16:58 |
trmanco | maybe I'll put it up in the web archive :-P | Oct 16 16:58 |
trmanco | where else would I host it? | Oct 16 16:59 |
schestowitz | in BN | Oct 16 16:59 |
schestowitz | We have space | Oct 16 16:59 |
trmanco | how am I going to send this huge file? | Oct 16 16:59 |
trmanco | bit torrent? | Oct 16 16:59 |
trmanco | there is no way I can send this by email | Oct 16 17:00 |
schestowitz | No, SSH | Oct 16 17:00 |
schestowitz | rsync/scp even | Oct 16 17:01 |
trmanco | hmm | Oct 16 17:01 |
trmanco | good idea | Oct 16 17:01 |
trmanco | ftp too :-P | Oct 16 17:01 |
schestowitz | I'll give you a p/w | Oct 16 17:01 |
schestowitz | sftp, ftp is not secure | Oct 16 17:01 |
trmanco | ok | Oct 16 17:04 |
trmanco | it's still encoding | Oct 16 17:04 |
trmanco | and it's a alot bigger than the mp4 | Oct 16 17:04 |
trmanco | ahhh dang it | Oct 16 17:05 |
trmanco | *** glibc detected *** ffmpeg: double free or corruption (out): 0x094ecf78 *** | Oct 16 17:05 |
schestowitz | Hehe./ | Oct 16 17:10 |
schestowitz | That's be me talking | Oct 16 17:10 |
schestowitz | I broke the thing | Oct 16 17:10 |
trmanco | grrr | Oct 16 17:39 |
trmanco | is the video important? | Oct 16 17:39 |
schestowitz | Not so much | Oct 16 17:40 |
schestowitz | Don't worry about it | Oct 16 17:41 |
schestowitz | I don't feel comfortable with people watching it anyway | Oct 16 17:41 |
schestowitz | I felt interrogated and cornered and acted accordingly | Oct 16 17:41 |
schestowitz | I'd rather produce something where I lead the discussion, not defend myself in face of false accusations | Oct 16 17:41 |
trmanco | schestowitz: done | Oct 16 18:35 |
trmanco | where can I upload | Oct 16 18:36 |
trmanco | 115 MB | Oct 16 18:37 |
trmanco | ping schestowitz | Oct 16 18:45 |
schestowitz | trmanco: scp *.ogv boycottn@216.105.40.114/home/boycottn | Oct 16 19:11 |
schestowitz | I've changed pw temporarily | Oct 16 19:12 |
schestowitz | See PM | Oct 16 19:12 |
schestowitz | Quick question: should I post the Twit video to BN front page? What does gut feeling tell you? | Oct 16 19:48 |
schestowitz | I could put it at the bottom of a post to give it less attention | Oct 16 19:49 |
schestowitz | We have a "nasty troll" issue. | Oct 16 19:49 |
schestowitz | ===quote== | Oct 16 19:49 |
schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Oct 16 19:49 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 16 19:49 |
schestowitz | > Just wanted to let you know whose comments made me so mad I stopped | Oct 16 19:49 |
schestowitz | > visiting BN's IRC for a while. I've been thinking it over and decided I | Oct 16 19:49 |
schestowitz | > should tell you so you wouldn't suspect the wrong person. | Oct 16 19:49 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 16 19:49 |
schestowitz | > It was Diablo, and there have been several occasions that I believe he | Oct 16 19:49 |
schestowitz | > has stepped way over the boundries of decent commentary. On one night, | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > in particular, his vile comments seem intentionally calculated to be | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > hurtful to others - not me specifically, but I certainly fell into the | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > general groups he was targeting, and I believe he knew I was there. | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > I almost commented back to him at one point, but decided not to. It | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > would have given his diatribe more attention than it deserved. Plus, | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > being female, he would have assumed I was just whining and being too | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > sensitive. I'm sure I would have regretted talking back to him. | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > I am not offended by cussing. Mostly I find it annoying if someone | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > can't express themselves without cussing every other word, but in | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > general I don't pay much attention to it. In fact, I can cuss with the | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > best of them, and be quite creative too, especially when I get riled! :) | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > So, I'm truly not easily offended by mere words or general | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > conversational stuff. People have to be free to be themselves, and I | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > don't want to be treated differently than anyone else. Nor do I want to | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > be considered a complainer. It's the mean-spirited, intentionally | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > hurtful and cruel comments that I truly dislike. I stayed away because | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > I didn't want to lose my temper... | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > Anyway, now you know. | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > I'll stop bombarding you with rambling emails now (until next time...heh) | Oct 16 19:50 |
schestowitz | > Take care, | Oct 16 19:51 |
schestowitz | I knew it was him. | Oct 16 19:51 |
schestowitz | I kicked him many times before. He is an enemy of ours, since he was spreading libel against us, and at some point he was suspect of being behind the DDOS attack. I'll ban him mercilessly when he gets nasty again. I suspect it's part of the Linsux 'cartel'... that's when he first came along with the others from there. | Oct 16 19:51 |
schestowitz | ===/quote=== | Oct 16 19:51 |
trmanco | ah | Oct 16 20:10 |
trmanco | you gotta love my slow internet upload speed | Oct 16 20:10 |
schestowitz | Speed doesn't matter here as long as it gets here. | Oct 16 20:12 |
trmanco | it will | Oct 16 20:12 |
schestowitz | I'm surprised some people are not shocked by my poor apperance | Oct 16 20:12 |
schestowitz | I don't even know why I'd share it :-o | Oct 16 20:12 |
trmanco | 75 KB/s is my max | Oct 16 20:12 |
trmanco | there was a huge amount of pressure | Oct 16 20:13 |
trmanco | and, you just faced it like any real man would of | Oct 16 20:13 |
trmanco | you didn't back down | Oct 16 20:13 |
trmanco | I read a troll saying that he/she/it was surprised that you didn't hangup | Oct 16 20:13 |
schestowitz | I never thought of it | Oct 16 20:22 |
schestowitz | But my throat got dry very fast | Oct 16 20:22 |
schestowitz | So I couldn't talk | Oct 16 20:22 |
schestowitz | People don't seem to have noticed | Oct 16 20:22 |
schestowitz | Cause they don't know what I normally sound like | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | Just got some feedback: | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | QUOTE | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | > http://odtv.me/2009/10/floss-91/ | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | > > It was terrible for me, but some people disagree. | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | No, Bill Gates sounds much worse .. :) | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | What is this site, who are the two interviewers. Notice they paint you | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | with the 'controversy' label. It's like the atheist v true-believers | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | argument I see on another forum. Rather than address the issue they | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | abuse the non-believers and use the response as evidence as to their | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | extremism. Notice they spend a lot of time addressing personalities. | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | That's what you get for making personal remarks. Stick to the | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | technical issues. Tell the facts and nothing but the facts. That way | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | they can't trip you up. | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | 7:57 a good response. They attack the messenger rather than the msg ... | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | 10:23 he mentioned mono .. | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | 11:38 'are you calling for a boycott' | Oct 16 20:23 |
schestowitz | 12:10 'lies and deception' a good response .. | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 13: you mentioned the IRCchan. Do you still archive it. You do realize | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | that it is being astroturfed .. | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | Do you still display the IP address of the posters. If so, much bad. | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 14:51 Shane Coyle .. | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 16:14 this better be the exact position of 'Shane Coyle' | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 16:49 more questions on Shane Coyle, 'got his facts wrong' | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 20:39 you did well, good for Novell isn't good for FOSS | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 23:34 Good response from you .. | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 23:59 Good other response | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | he just mentioned Mugel and you pointed out he's a Vice President | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 24:46 .. | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 25:00 you mentioned Groklaw | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 27:15 A good reposte ... :) | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 27:36 top class .. | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 28:04 brilliant | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 28:20 | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 29:56 the ethos .. a poison apple .. | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 34:41 .. you are being love bombed :) | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 33:54 .. he just accused you of spamming. Danger Will Robson. | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | These spammers are ms shills reposting your articles so as you get the | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | blame. I told you they would use the IRCchan to beat you up. | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 36:10 ... those ms shills are earning their money. 'people are worried | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | that BN is spamming people' | Oct 16 20:24 |
schestowitz | 37:08 .. this is precisely why I dropped out of the IRC chan. You | Oct 16 20:25 |
schestowitz | would not take steps to protect it from the trolls. | Oct 16 20:25 |
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schestowitz | He's right though | Oct 16 20:25 |
schestowitz | All the issues with the interview | Oct 16 20:25 |
schestowitz | hmmmm... | Oct 16 20:28 |
trmanco | schestowitz: done | Oct 16 20:29 |
schestowitz | > finally he is out, he thinks BN is bad ... (paranoia mode: who's he | Oct 16 20:31 |
schestowitz | > fronting for) | Oct 16 20:31 |
schestowitz | Himself. I knew from the start. It's like Fox-reilly. Still, no such thing as bad publicity. | Oct 16 20:31 |
schestowitz | > 13: you mentioned the IRCchan. Do you still archive it. You do realize | Oct 16 20:31 |
schestowitz | > that it is being astroturfed .. | Oct 16 20:31 |
schestowitz | Only a fraction of the time | Oct 16 20:31 |
schestowitz | > twit.tv FLOSS Weekly Jono Bacon ? | Oct 16 20:32 |
schestowitz | jono is also in our irc chan. Doing homework with others like Jason Perlow in there. We have Microsoft employees there too. We keep it polite. Can't give the impression of a "yes men" club. Don't worry, I watch reactions and keep the temperature down. | Oct 16 20:32 |
schestowitz | > Basically Boycottnovell was blocked for a period of time. The culprit | Oct 16 20:33 |
schestowitz | > as you can see from the traceroute is Cogent. | Oct 16 20:33 |
schestowitz | Accidental? Groklaw was once blocked by filters in Norway. | Oct 16 20:33 |
schestowitz | There's a lot of sniffing going on in BN | Oct 16 20:35 |
schestowitz | ANd I don't think we can trust many people | Oct 16 20:35 |
schestowitz | From Scandinavia: | Oct 16 20:35 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 16 20:35 |
schestowitz | 2) There is a lot of anti-FOSS action going on here under a micron-thin | Oct 16 20:35 |
schestowitz | veneer of support. Microsofters have been positioning themselves | Oct 16 20:35 |
schestowitz | throughout the public sector and doing what they can to actively | Oct 16 20:35 |
schestowitz | neutralize or drive out anyone knowledgeable about ICT. At least in the | Oct 16 20:36 |
schestowitz | north, there has been an active witch-hunt going on for at least a year | Oct 16 20:36 |
schestowitz | and a half. | Oct 16 20:36 |
schestowitz | The veneer is usually just a bunch of fake friendliness to gather intel | Oct 16 20:36 |
schestowitz | and delay while secondary teams can react. COSS has been crippled and | Oct 16 20:36 |
schestowitz | spreading ineffectual initiatives and even has at least one national | Oct 16 20:36 |
schestowitz | project with the goal to extend Windows in schools. | Oct 16 20:36 |
schestowitz | Can't tell enough from the English portions of his web site to know if | Oct 16 20:36 |
schestowitz | he is 'good' or 'bad' | Oct 16 20:36 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 16 20:36 |
schestowitz | [boycottn@boycottnovell ~]$ ls -la | Oct 16 20:36 |
schestowitz | total 1393144 | Oct 16 20:36 |
schestowitz | drwx--x--x 18 boycottn boycottn 12288 Oct 16 11:56 . | Oct 16 20:36 |
schestowitz | drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 Jul 16 16:43 .. | Oct 16 20:36 |
schestowitz | -rw-r--r-- 1 boycottn treed 120594233 Oct 16 12:22 1014-floss91.ogv | Oct 16 20:36 |
schestowitz | Thanks a _lot_! | Oct 16 20:36 |
schestowitz | Password reverted | Oct 16 20:37 |
trmanco | :) | Oct 16 20:41 |
schestowitz | A lot more people subscribed to BN | Oct 16 20:54 |
schestowitz | So I guess the show didn't do as much damage as I feared when I rejected jono's invitation | Oct 16 20:54 |
trmanco | 2009-10-16 21:00:13zc3xxprobe 2wr ov vga 0x0000 | Oct 16 21:02 |
trmanco | my webcam is detected, but the driver isn't really that good | Oct 16 21:02 |
trmanco | Bus 004 Device 002: ID 046d:08af Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Easy/Cool | Oct 16 21:04 |
trmanco | I just can't figure out why it only works half of the time | Oct 16 21:04 |
schestowitz | one example of feedback http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/floss-weekly-interviews-roy-schestowitz/ | Oct 16 21:39 |
schestowitz | See the comments | Oct 16 21:40 |
schestowitz | what's the command to lisy USB device? | Oct 16 21:44 |
schestowitz | I can't remember | Oct 16 21:44 |
trmanco | lsusb | Oct 16 21:46 |
schestowitz | MS/OOXML developer mocks me: http://twitter.com/aristippus303 | Oct 16 22:02 |
schestowitz | I guess I'll post it soon | Oct 16 22:06 |
schestowitz | wallc convinced me that others don't see it as I do. | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | ---quote--- | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | > I'm glad now that I told you who it was and that you already knew. | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | > Thanks for not making me feel like a tattletale. | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | > As for posting the video of your interview, why not give it a permanent | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | > wiki page? Maybe even write a short commentary there. It's a good way | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | > to keep it as part of the history of BN. | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | I still hate this interview a lot and the mic makes me sound bad (it's a cheapo $5 mic), not just the interrogation that made my accent turn all funny and arguments totally all over the place. | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | Oct 16 22:07 | |
schestowitz | > By the way, I really do think you should write a book about your years | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | > with BN. It wouldn't have to be a long book, but I think people would | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | > be interested in it. Maybe even use Lulu for readers that want a hard | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | > copy. | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | > I'd even help proofread and do the layout and cover design for you, if | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | > you'd like (it's what I do!). Just something to think about... | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | Jono suggested this to me several times. I told him that time is sometimes better spent making daily bite-sized items, esp. in the Internet age of impatient readers. | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | I really appreciate your cyber-parenthood ;-) | Oct 16 22:07 |
schestowitz | --- | Oct 16 22:07 |
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trmanco | EDavid is a guy from linsux | Oct 17 00:03 |
schestowitz | I know | Oct 17 00:49 |
schestowitz | I promised wallc that I would watch troublemakers | Oct 17 00:49 |
schestowitz | They ruin the channel | Oct 17 00:49 |
schestowitz | "<tdobson> zleap: schestowitz is the one who is interviewed" | Oct 17 00:51 |
schestowitz | "<tdobson> zleap: schestowitz is the one who is interviewed" | Oct 17 00:51 |
schestowitz | From another channel: "<tdobson> schestowitz: http://twit.tv/floss91" | Oct 17 00:51 |
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schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCzLVH1n9sY | Oct 17 01:47 |
schestowitz | This is also good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-FaXD_igv4&feature=related | Oct 17 01:53 |
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schestowitz | "Re: re the Interview" | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | quote> | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > You should have quoted the Haloween Docs when he asked you of samples | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > of why MS was bad for Open Source. I'll post to his blog on Mon and | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > ask him his interpretation of the following: | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > "OSS poses a direct, short-term revenue and platform threat to | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > Microsoft, particularly in server space. Additionally, the intrinsic | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > parallelism and free idea exchange in OSS has benefits that are not | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > replicable with our current licensing model and therefore present a | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > long term developer mindshare threat" | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > "Linux can win as long as services / protocols are commodities." | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > http://catb.org/~esr/halloween/halloween1.html | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > You should have responded with: why would you get into beg with a wolf | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > who has announced he wants to devour you? | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > -- | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > Audio interviews are bad, you should have done it online, an email | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > exchange. That way you get to think out your response. Notice fester | Oct 17 17:23 |
schestowitz | > never lets himself be asked any real hard questions, or even be | Oct 17 17:24 |
schestowitz | > interviewed by a real Open Source techie. Instead organize a fake | Oct 17 17:24 |
schestowitz | > 'open source' event and talk about 'open standards', witth a bunch of | Oct 17 17:24 |
schestowitz | > tame techno journalists, like JS .. | Oct 17 17:24 |
schestowitz | They have talking points. It's all staged. | Oct 17 17:24 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/26/microsoft-talking-point-memos/ | Oct 17 17:24 |
schestowitz | By the way, I was startled by the hostility, so my accent went funny and answers badly constructed. Anyway, no publicity is truly bad publicity. | Oct 17 17:24 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/16/boycott-novell-on-twit/ | Oct 17 17:24 |
schestowitz | Later on, I spoke to jono for about an hour and realise he is hardly worries about Microsoft. | Oct 17 17:24 |
MinceR | http://i632.photobucket.com/albums/uu43/Stikposters/Posters/mashupsholidaymotiv.jpg | Oct 17 22:54 |
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schestowitz | I saw the hAl ODF trash vanishing | Oct 17 23:24 |
fewa | he got blocked | Oct 17 23:26 |
fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:HAl | Oct 17 23:27 |
fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:HAl_reported_by_User:Scientus_.28Result:_Stale.29 | Oct 17 23:29 |
fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Scientus_reported_by_User:hAl_.28Result:_no_vio.29 | Oct 17 23:29 |
schestowitz | What took so long? | Oct 17 23:36 |
fewa | Admins | Oct 17 23:37 |
fewa | this is nonly two weeks | Oct 17 23:37 |
fewa | so its sure to continue | Oct 17 23:37 |
fewa | wikipedia admins tend to be clueless | Oct 17 23:38 |
fewa | well, tend to be idealistic | Oct 17 23:39 |
fewa | don't see the patern | Oct 17 23:39 |
fewa | pretend that everyone is trying to be constructive | Oct 17 23:39 |
fewa | also, alot of them are lazy and dont do any research | Oct 17 23:39 |
fewa | thats why HAl blanked his talk page | Oct 17 23:39 |
fewa | an admin noticed it and tried to force him not to | Oct 17 23:40 |
fewa | but then gave up | Oct 17 23:40 |
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schestowitz | i c.... | Oct 17 23:43 |
trmanco | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9uvpk/roy_schestowitz_is_interrogated_on_tv/ | Oct 18 02:48 |
schestowitz | Ah. mostly OK feedback | Oct 18 03:18 |
schestowitz | There's that troll who annoyed them in Reddit over BN | Oct 18 03:18 |
schestowitz | Made us look bad... | Oct 18 03:18 |
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trmanco | http://ubuntard.com/ | Oct 18 13:39 |
schestowitz | DOn't feed the troll.. | Oct 18 13:41 |
schestowitz | IF you visit it, they'll write more | Oct 18 13:42 |
schestowitz | Same with the anti-BN sites | Oct 18 13:42 |
schestowitz | Resist temptation to give them any hits and they'll stop writing | Oct 18 13:42 |
schestowitz | There are several anti-BN sites now | Oct 18 13:42 |
schestowitz | One transcribed the BN audiocast and then added loads of references to BN (Thanks for the traffic) with supposed contradictions | Oct 18 13:43 |
trmanco | it was posted by a troll named "pencilstate" on a.l.o.u | Oct 18 13:43 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft AstroTurf has taken down another advocate. | Oct 18 17:02 |
schestowitz | > The trolls got to my wife and I have to take a break from public advocacy. | Oct 18 17:02 |
schestowitz | > Google ******** and you will find an Encyclopedia Dramatica | Oct 18 17:02 |
schestowitz | > article about me. She worries that this will make it hard for me to find my | Oct 18 17:02 |
schestowitz | > next job and foolishly thinks that I'll be left alone if I go quiet. I | Oct 18 17:02 |
schestowitz | > understand that the trolls will continue to attack me and have more time to | Oct 18 17:02 |
schestowitz | > do so while they are not busy refuting what I have to say, but the bad guys | Oct 18 17:02 |
schestowitz | > have won this round. | Oct 18 17:02 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 18 17:02 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 18 17:02 |
schestowitz | > Keep up the good work. I've been denied the use of "********" but I'm still a | Oct 18 17:02 |
schestowitz | > reader. | Oct 18 17:02 |
schestowitz | They shot down /most/ people like him. My PHD comes soon (passing), so I may have to move on too. | Oct 18 17:02 |
schestowitz | It's weird | Oct 18 17:03 |
fewa | so corrupt | Oct 18 17:03 |
schestowitz | It's like I don't want to finish my PhD cause then I can carry on more sheltered | Oct 18 17:03 |
schestowitz | fewa: yes, they bullied this advocate | Oct 18 17:03 |
schestowitz | There are more like him | Oct 18 17:03 |
schestowitz | They try to bully via bosses and stuff | Oct 18 17:03 |
schestowitz | They tried it on me too | Oct 18 17:04 |
schestowitz | I vaguely alluded to it when Jono attacked me | Oct 18 17:04 |
fewa | Thugs | Oct 18 17:04 |
fewa | and that first justice was right | Oct 18 17:04 |
fewa | on the anti-trust case | Oct 18 17:05 |
schestowitz | I'd carry on though | Oct 18 17:05 |
schestowitz | SCO bullied PJ more than Novell harasses me. They onyl harass me in sites outside BN | Oct 18 17:06 |
schestowitz | Anonymous comments with smears about me and bullying in Twitter | Oct 18 17:06 |
schestowitz | Microsoft had TEs do jobs on me | Oct 18 17:06 |
schestowitz | Anywya, gotta go | Oct 18 17:06 |
fewa | http://verofakto.blogspot.com/ | Oct 18 17:08 |
fewa | the sold-out O'Reilly | Oct 18 17:09 |
fewa | pouring over everything you say | Oct 18 17:09 |
schestowitz | Don't give him hits. It encourages him | Oct 18 17:10 |
fewa | meh, i block google analytics | Oct 18 17:11 |
fewa | but yes | Oct 18 17:17 |
trmanco | lol | Oct 18 17:40 |
trmanco | him again | Oct 18 17:40 |
trmanco | what did you blabber about? | Oct 18 17:41 |
fewa | trmanco, i havn't been fallowing the troll | Oct 18 17:48 |
fewa | only looked cause the convo was about thugs | Oct 18 17:48 |
fewa | *trolls | Oct 18 17:48 |
fewa | or really noticed much beyond their existance | Oct 18 17:48 |
schestowitz | http://www.twit.tv/floss45 | Oct 18 19:41 |
schestowitz | ^KDE | Oct 18 19:41 |
schestowitz | Interesting | Oct 18 19:41 |
fewa | has Alex Brown always worked for MS | Oct 18 19:55 |
fewa | he keeps editing the OOXML article | Oct 18 19:55 |
fewa | oe Griffin Brown publishing | Oct 18 20:16 |
schestowitz | Look it up in BN | Oct 18 20:23 |
schestowitz | He worked in a way that's beneficial to them | Oct 18 20:23 |
schestowitz | 2 years ago or less he also moved his blog to Windows | Oct 18 20:24 |
fewa | isn't he the one with a writing staff behind him? | Oct 18 20:25 |
schestowitz | here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/18/alex-brown-microsoft-bsi-iso/ | Oct 18 20:25 |
fewa | on the ODF list? | Oct 18 20:26 |
schestowitz | "So how do we clean up the BSI and make it non-partisan and actually approve standards on their technical merit, not the economic and political clout of the standard’s sponsors? I’d say the first step is to ditch people like Dr Alex Brown, starting with Dr Alex Brown. I think we should call for his immediate removal from the ISO/BSI committees as he has nailed his colours to the mast. " | Oct 18 20:26 |
schestowitz | fewa: that too | Oct 18 20:26 |
schestowitz | I have many dozens of posts exposing him | Oct 18 20:26 |
schestowitz | Back in 2008 | Oct 18 20:26 |
schestowitz | He's joining the anti-BN crowd | Oct 18 20:26 |
schestowitz | If the Novell/Microsoft trolls mention me then he joins those kids | Oct 18 20:26 |
schestowitz | And his friend Stocholm also | Oct 18 20:27 |
schestowitz | It's rather pathetic to see the two of them going so juvenile | Oct 18 20:27 |
schestowitz | [20:23] <tdobson> ping (sometime you are free) | Oct 18 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:27] <schestowitz> yo | Oct 18 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:31] <tdobson> just a few quick questions :) | Oct 18 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:31] <tdobson> you're based in manchester right? | Oct 18 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:35] <tdobson> I am involved in manchester free software group (but i cant speak on their behalf) but i do frequently locate speakers for manchester free software (which I then have to get passed by the group). | Oct 18 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:37] <schestowitz> I generally dislike talking :-) | Oct 18 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:37] <schestowitz> jono dragged me | Oct 18 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:37] <tdobson> i just wondered if you'd be interested about giving a talk about BN at Manchester Free Software at some point. (I'd have to get it passed by the group | Oct 18 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:37] <tdobson> ah right :) | Oct 18 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:38] <tdobson> well i thoughtI'd ask anyway:) | Oct 18 20:44 |
schestowitz | [20:40] <schestowitz> I'll think about it, for sure :-) | Oct 18 20:45 |
schestowitz | [20:41] <tdobson> well there's probably no slots until the new year :) | Oct 18 20:45 |
schestowitz | [20:42] <tdobson> but sure, have a think about it. | Oct 18 20:45 |
schestowitz | [20:42] <tdobson> no rush, no preassure :) | Oct 18 20:45 |
schestowitz | [20:42] <schestowitz> cool, thanks. I appreciate this! | Oct 18 20:45 |
schestowitz |  | Oct 18 20:45 |
schestowitz | [20:44] <tdobson> no problem :) | Oct 18 20:45 |
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schestowitz | quote-> | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | Some EEEPC and wireless observations. | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | EEEPC works out of the box but is almost as much trouble as Windows if want to | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | liberate it. Because Asus has put out lots of models in a very short time, | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | not all of the drivers are in Debian's stock kernel. Only a dedicated person | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | would go through the Debian Wiki and oddball boot problems to make the thing | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | work with alternate software. | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | Over the last month, I've been trying to make a few USB keys for it. Things | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | went well at first, though wireless required drivers outside of the debian | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | stock kernel. My EEE PC's Debian USB got fried by either suspend to disk or | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | xray machine traveling from *** to Tacoma and that is where I ran | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | into some more limitations. I found fixes but it took me all weekend and | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | would drive normal people right back to Xandros. | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | First some good news. Debian's Lenny installer has KDE and XFCE alternate | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | desktops! They are buried under "Advanced Options." The KDE option works | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | well and installs a nice collection of software in about a 2GB foot print. I | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | got there trying to make crypto work on a USB Key. | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | I ran into two minor irritations trying to get a crypto USB install that | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | quickly become major for novices. The first is that EEE PC plays games with | Oct 18 23:33 |
schestowitz | boot order and this can appear to break the machine. The second makes crypto | Oct 18 23:34 |
schestowitz | install more difficult. | Oct 18 23:34 |
schestowitz | The boot order trap means you have to know about grub options if you want to | Oct 18 23:36 |
schestowitz | install to a USB stick yourself. If you let Debia auto install, it | Oct 18 23:36 |
schestowitz | overwrites Xandro's grub in a way that requires scary hardware handling. For | Oct 18 23:36 |
schestowitz | some odd reason, the EEE BIOS freaks out if it's drive has a grub error. | Oct 18 23:36 |
schestowitz | None of the tricks you used before to get an alternate device boot will work. | Oct 18 23:36 |
schestowitz | It's a brick at this point. The fix is to remove the SSD before booting and | Oct 18 23:36 |
schestowitz | then put it back in before you chose external media to rescue the device. If | Oct 18 23:36 |
schestowitz | you don't make the mistake of overwriting the Xandros grub, you then have to | Oct 18 23:36 |
schestowitz | modify your /boot/grub/menu.lst so that it says (hd0,0) because Xandro's bios | Oct 18 23:36 |
schestowitz | calls the boot device that regardless of how many devices you plug in. This | Oct 18 23:36 |
schestowitz | was so annoying that I finally nuked Xandros. | Oct 18 23:36 |
schestowitz | The second problem has something to do with ACPI again. EEE PC requires | Oct 18 23:36 |
schestowitz | a "rootdelay=10" option on boot. I have not tested it out to know if that | Oct 18 23:36 |
schestowitz | works yet. | Oct 18 23:36 |
schestowitz | To sum things up, my 701SD EEE PC is still a solid performer out of the box | Oct 18 23:46 |
schestowitz | but I would only recommend it to someone who would otherwise buy a Windows | Oct 18 23:46 |
schestowitz | netbook. Two or three years ago, it was close to revolutionary for | Oct 18 23:46 |
schestowitz | everything that it provided in such a small and cheap package. It promptly | Oct 18 23:46 |
schestowitz | extinguished OLPC sales in the US and nearly destroyed Microsoft as it | Oct 18 23:46 |
schestowitz | approached the $200 price point. It came with Skype, which now does video, | Oct 18 23:46 |
schestowitz | Open Office and lots of other good software. I got mine for the $140 Carla | Oct 18 23:46 |
schestowitz | talked about. Xandros still annoys me with it's limitations. From a | Oct 18 23:46 |
schestowitz | hardware standpoint, I've been happier with my used Thinkpad X30. The EEE PC | Oct 18 23:46 |
schestowitz | fills a portable device niche that the Apple people are finally attacking | Oct 18 23:46 |
schestowitz | with Skype on the iPhone. I still don't think they have a video phone yet | Oct 18 23:46 |
schestowitz | and I cringe at the cost of data with an ATT device. | Oct 18 23:46 |
schestowitz | On a related note, air travel wifi is all behind a paywall now. Houston, | Oct 18 23:47 |
schestowitz | Dallas, *** and Seattle Tacoma were all communication greed zones. | Oct 18 23:47 |
schestowitz | Eight years ago, you could find free wifi in airports in the US. Now, | Oct 18 23:47 |
schestowitz | everything is for pay. You see people with their iPhones and data modems, | Oct 18 23:47 |
schestowitz | but not a lot of computing is going on at the airport anymore. When I | Oct 18 23:47 |
schestowitz | complained about this to my wife she chided me like a good sheep, "Someone's | Oct 18 23:47 |
schestowitz | got to pay for that." Indeed, someone does, but someone also needs to pay | Oct 18 23:47 |
schestowitz | for the lights, bathrooms and jet airplanes too. Let's hope the airport | Oct 18 23:47 |
schestowitz | people don't turn out the lights or put credit card swipes on the bathroom | Oct 18 23:47 |
schestowitz | stalls. | Oct 18 23:47 |
schestowitz | === | Oct 18 23:47 |
schestowitz | From a BN reader. Why am I sent this stuff? | Oct 18 23:47 |
trmanco | we need to make a paste for this | Oct 18 23:47 |
trmanco | this clutters up the whole channel :-P | Oct 18 23:48 |
schestowitz | I know | Oct 18 23:50 |
schestowitz | But pastebins get lost and this is a small channel | Oct 18 23:50 |
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trmanco | not if you host your own private paste | Oct 18 23:53 |
schestowitz | True | Oct 18 23:57 |
schestowitz | I thought about it | Oct 18 23:57 |
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schestowitz | > Here's a troll, Andrew Thomas of TG Daily. | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44261/141/ | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44234/141/ | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > I think you noticed that second one. The first one kind of shows the guy's | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > character and level of discourse. | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > Amusingly enough, someone linked their headlines and images about | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > the "inevitability" of Windows 7 to a story about the world's biggest crater. | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44323/140/ | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > is the same as | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/44323/181/ | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 19 10:44 |
schestowitz | > when it should have been some kind of Vista 7 nonsense. It's funny but they | Oct 19 10:45 |
schestowitz | > exaggerate. Vista was the big crater. Microsoft does not have enough money | Oct 19 10:45 |
schestowitz | > to make as much noise over Vista 7 as they did for Vista. When Microsoft is | Oct 19 10:45 |
schestowitz | > out of money, that will be the end of the noise from people like Thomas. | Oct 19 10:45 |
schestowitz | Emma Woollacott is OK. | Oct 19 10:45 |
schestowitz | Thomas is a shill... | Oct 19 10:45 |
schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+Andrew+Thomas+++++&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Oct 19 10:45 |
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trmanco | http://codes.zerial.org/php/wp-trackbacks_dos.phps | Oct 19 13:34 |
trmanco | new wordpress vuln on the block | Oct 19 13:34 |
schestowitz | Darn | Oct 19 13:43 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/19/possible_met_office_cuts/ | Oct 19 19:34 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/19/manchester_id_trial/ | Oct 19 19:36 |
schestowitz | We seem like a testing ground of the govt these days | Oct 19 19:36 |
schestowitz | First the airport, now this... | Oct 19 19:37 |
schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1559002/tories-scrap-broadband-tax | Oct 19 19:41 |
trmanco | LOL | Oct 19 22:56 |
trmanco | I'm being cyberbullied | Oct 19 22:57 |
trmanco | some nut case is trying to intimidate me ... | Oct 19 22:57 |
schestowitz | Because of Linux? | Oct 19 23:00 |
schestowitz | Oh just random? | Oct 19 23:00 |
trmanco | no | Oct 19 23:07 |
trmanco | not because of linux | Oct 19 23:07 |
trmanco | private life | Oct 19 23:07 |
schestowitz | Just ignore | Oct 19 23:07 |
trmanco | yeah | Oct 19 23:08 |
trmanco | that's what someone told me to do | Oct 19 23:09 |
trmanco | my notifications got borked | Oct 19 23:16 |
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schestowitz | > Don't give up, you are doing a great job. Really, no one else puts to gether | Oct 20 04:29 |
schestowitz | > more or better free software news and analysis than you do. You might think | Oct 20 04:29 |
schestowitz | > it's easy to comb through your news feeds and pick out interesting things, | Oct 20 04:29 |
schestowitz | > but no one else seems to have the time or energy and no one else is putting | Oct 20 04:29 |
schestowitz | > it all together. | Oct 20 04:29 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 20 04:29 |
schestowitz | > Quitting won't help you either. Like I told my wife, the bad guys are not | Oct 20 04:29 |
schestowitz | > going to leave you alone. My wife was unmoved by that argument but you have | Oct 20 04:29 |
schestowitz | > seen what companies like Microsoft do to people who obey them. The weaker | Oct 20 04:29 |
schestowitz | > you make yourself, the harder they will screw you. | Oct 20 04:29 |
schestowitz | 'I was going to say this before; tell your wife that walking away won't make the old stuff vanish. You're in this game, you might as well play it." | Oct 20 04:29 |
schestowitz | More bullying vs advocates | Oct 20 04:29 |
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schestowitz | Maybe nominate BN? :-) http://www.fsf.org/news/2009FSAwardsCall | Oct 20 13:41 |
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fewa | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Office_Open_XML&action=history | Oct 20 18:26 |
fewa | All alex brown | Oct 20 18:26 |
schestowitz | Will do a post | Oct 20 18:46 |
fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Office_Open_XML&action=history | Oct 20 18:55 |
fewa | use that link | Oct 20 18:55 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/20/ooxml-brm-convenor-wikipedia/ | Oct 20 19:17 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 20 21:55 |
schestowitz | Howdy, | Oct 20 21:55 |
schestowitz | I just wanted to let you know what Alex Brown appears to have done from those wiki edits (as far as I can go on the first page). | Oct 20 21:55 |
schestowitz | All the criticism is magically gone. "whoops". | Oct 20 21:55 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 20 21:55 |
schestowitz | SOmone whom I don't know mailed me about it... | Oct 20 22:04 |
schestowitz | I hope more people notice and see for themselves given the link | Oct 20 22:04 |
schestowitz | Another person mailed in.. | Oct 20 22:05 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 20 22:05 |
schestowitz | It was a pleasure to tell jono off. His little ambush infuriated me and I | Oct 20 22:05 |
schestowitz | will probably regret some of the things I said but I'm sure I have not told | Oct 20 22:05 |
schestowitz | him enough. His warm invitation to share your thoughts on how you are | Oct 20 22:05 |
schestowitz | harming free software by leading a pack of assholes to spam the web are | Oct 20 22:05 |
schestowitz | transparently malicious to one of the people he accused of spamming. I would | Oct 20 22:05 |
schestowitz | have done better to wait a little and calm down but I wanted it logged | Oct 20 22:05 |
schestowitz | publically and I did not know how long he'd hang out on the BN channel. I'm | Oct 20 22:05 |
schestowitz | glad I caught him and gave him a piece of my mind. This was worth violating | Oct 20 22:05 |
schestowitz | my promise to my wife to lay off public advocacy. | Oct 20 22:05 |
schestowitz | Has anyone else come to your defense, ThistleWeb perhaps? I'd like to see | Oct 20 22:05 |
schestowitz | links to those, if you have them and I'll be surprised if no one else has | Oct 20 22:06 |
schestowitz | bothered. Then again, few people bother to say nice things publically about | Oct 20 22:06 |
schestowitz | RMS, PJ and others that trolls like JPerlow are busy slamming in IRC. | Oct 20 22:06 |
schestowitz | You should be proud that so many high powered trolls have been assigned to | Oct 20 22:06 |
schestowitz | shut you up. jono should be ashamed to be manipulated by them or to be one | Oct 20 22:06 |
schestowitz | of them. | Oct 20 22:06 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 20 22:06 |
schestowitz | He shouldn't have been rude like that | Oct 20 22:06 |
schestowitz | He made us look bad | Oct 20 22:06 |
fewa | it wasn't me that was rude? | Oct 20 22:08 |
fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/19/headlines | Oct 20 22:13 |
fewa | Go to 10:15 | Oct 20 22:13 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 20 22:13 |
schestowitz | Hind sight is always but here are a few pointers for the next TV interview. | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | I'm sure they will come and you will be better prepared. | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | 1. Be Prepared! Make the talking points and use them, TV is all about sound | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | bites. Refine and practice them. My favorite example is Molgen tongue | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | lashing O'Riely. You don't have time to explain things on TV, you can only | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | present your conclusions. The Widipedia article on Richard Nixon's Checkers | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | speech has some good tips on preparing for a TV presentation. On TV you | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | need to steer everything to what's on your mind. If you practice your sound | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | bites, you will naturally respond to negative questions with the right | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | answers. On paper it can look evasive, on TV few people notice and then they | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | forget as you move the discussion on to where you want it. | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | 2. Know what you are doing and stick to it. I do what I do because I love | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | software freedom and resent Microsoft's attempt to tax it. I suspect your | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | motives are similar. It's a lot easier to tell people what you do than it is | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | to justify your existence. Justifying your existence is sort of like trying | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | to prove the color red. You might as well stick to facts. | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | 3. I think you realized this but don't repudiate your fans. You were set up | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | for that by Lefty. It would be better to say things like, "Lots of people | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | come to troll BN, several of them have turned out to be paid Microsoft | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | representatives. I can't tell you about all of them because one of them has | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | threatened to sue me and UK libel laws give them a lot of power to do just | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | that." When pressed you should talk about all the good news and tips that | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | flow in through IRC and how it needs to be kept open, how you never censor, | Oct 20 22:14 |
schestowitz | etc, etc. Never agree with blanket negative statements about particulars | Oct 20 22:15 |
schestowitz | because they will then be used to characterize the whole. | Oct 20 22:15 |
schestowitz | Well, that's all the time I have today. Keep up the good work! | Oct 20 22:15 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 20 22:15 |
schestowitz | fewa: no, not you who was rude | Oct 20 22:15 |
fewa | guess i left b/f that | Oct 20 22:15 |
schestowitz | fewa: does DN run on donations and store? | Oct 20 22:15 |
fewa | yeah | Oct 20 22:15 |
schestowitz | I need to figure out how I can carry on running BN | Oct 20 22:15 |
fewa | also a few grants | Oct 20 22:15 |
schestowitz | That's what I thought | Oct 20 22:15 |
schestowitz | Like CMD | Oct 20 22:16 |
fewa | Ford Foundation $150,000 | Oct 20 22:16 |
fewa | but they wont touch the cess poll of CPB, aba PBS, NPR | Oct 20 22:16 |
fewa | and other amorphous shit | Oct 20 22:16 |
fewa | Corporation for Public Broadcasting | Oct 20 22:16 |
fewa | NPR is a thinly veiled pretend liberal show that recants state dept. talking points | Oct 20 22:17 |
fewa | and people fall for it | Oct 20 22:17 |
fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR | Oct 20 22:18 |
schestowitz | I liked NPR | Oct 20 22:20 |
fewa | I just saw the connections | Oct 20 22:27 |
fewa | like how they reported the presidential race completely devoid of facts | Oct 20 22:28 |
fewa | and how they covered the MagLev and rail issues | Oct 20 22:28 |
fewa | after watching a chomsky speech where i got a more straight picture | Oct 20 22:28 |
fewa | and how whenever i tune in they are talking about another non-issue | Oct 20 22:28 |
fewa | or their biased coverage of the health care stuff | Oct 20 22:29 |
schestowitz | Question: | Oct 20 22:30 |
schestowitz | I don't come across many attacks on CHomsky | Oct 20 22:30 |
fewa | an attack only supports someone | Oct 20 22:30 |
schestowitz | Am I just not seeing this, or does he manage to avoid attacks? | Oct 20 22:30 |
fewa | it mentions them | Oct 20 22:30 |
schestowitz | I know. | Oct 20 22:30 |
fewa | NPR didn't mention him | Oct 20 22:30 |
fewa | it just undermined him | Oct 20 22:30 |
schestowitz | I spoke about this at the gym an hour ago | Oct 20 22:30 |
schestowitz | Nice girl :-) | Oct 20 22:30 |
fewa | you cant attack someone who is right | Oct 20 22:31 |
schestowitz | They always get a kick out of stories of libel about me | Oct 20 22:31 |
fewa | regardless | Oct 20 22:31 |
fewa | thats always the last step till losing | Oct 20 22:31 |
schestowitz | The libel too can be used by me to show how illegitimate the critics are | Oct 20 22:31 |
fewa | yes | Oct 20 22:31 |
schestowitz | So it has the opposite effect | Oct 20 22:31 |
schestowitz | I warned jono inadvance | Oct 20 22:31 |
schestowitz | Before the interview | Oct 20 22:31 |
fewa | thats why those that libel have to be low key | Oct 20 22:31 |
schestowitz | That he need to check carefully the facts | Oct 20 22:32 |
schestowitz | Which he didn't quite do | Oct 20 22:32 |
fewa | and disconnected from their masters | Oct 20 22:32 |
fewa | the administration is pretending that it will fund light rail, so that independant development doesn't happen | Oct 20 22:32 |
fewa | it has no actual intention of acting out | Oct 20 22:32 |
fewa | that was the state line that NPR was pushing | Oct 20 22:32 |
fewa | basically vapor ware | Oct 20 22:33 |
fewa | cause alot of states are moving to create light rail projects | Oct 20 22:33 |
fewa | but yeah, if you can use libel to gain attention that is good | Oct 20 22:34 |
schestowitz | Rather to suppress other lies | Oct 20 22:36 |
schestowitz | If they poison their pool/well | Oct 20 22:37 |
schestowitz | Example: | Oct 20 22:37 |
schestowitz | Groklaw is SCARED of being poisoned with fake Comes exhibit | Oct 20 22:37 |
schestowitz | That would illegitimise the whole LOT | Oct 20 22:37 |
fewa | yes, its possible to read what they do and use it to your advantage | Oct 20 22:37 |
fewa | how were they gotten? | Oct 20 22:43 |
schestowitz | COmes? | Oct 20 22:44 |
fewa | yes | Oct 20 22:45 |
fewa | leaked | Oct 20 22:45 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/26/microsoft_archive_goes_torrent/ | Oct 20 22:45 |
schestowitz | Grouchy from Groklaw | Oct 20 22:45 |
schestowitz | He downloaded it all over _modem_ | Oct 20 22:45 |
schestowitz | I still have thousands to go through with wallclimber | Oct 20 22:45 |
fewa | torrent link? | Oct 20 22:50 |
schestowitz | Not sure it exists anymore | Oct 20 23:08 |
schestowitz | But many Web mirrors exist | Oct 20 23:08 |
schestowitz | 4 at least | Oct 20 23:09 |
fewa | wget --mirror | Oct 20 23:09 |
schestowitz | antitrust.slated.org | Oct 20 23:11 |
schestowitz | Slated from #bn | Oct 20 23:11 |
trmanco | I tried mirroring some website to my computer with all those antitrust files but it didn't do the job as it was suppose to | Oct 20 23:11 |
trmanco | I used wget | Oct 20 23:12 |
schestowitz | http://antitrust.slated.org/halloween/index.html | Oct 20 23:12 |
schestowitz | Wow. High PageRank | Oct 20 23:12 |
schestowitz | For a mirror.. | Oct 20 23:12 |
fewa | they do libel chomsky and stuff | Oct 20 23:26 |
fewa | but its hard without talking about issues | Oct 20 23:27 |
schestowitz | Or fake him | Oct 20 23:27 |
schestowitz | balzac said so | Oct 20 23:27 |
fewa | which they cant dare discuss | Oct 20 23:27 |
schestowitz | I had people impersonate me too | Oct 20 23:27 |
schestowitz | So now I tell people not to believe stuff w/ my name on it | Oct 20 23:27 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/17/comment-in-other-web-sites/ | Oct 20 23:28 |
schestowitz | Chomsky answers mail | Oct 20 23:28 |
schestowitz | RMS also | Oct 20 23:28 |
fewa | yeah i emailed RMS | Oct 20 23:28 |
schestowitz | But they get baited by the likes of that anti-RMS 'sexism' thing | Oct 20 23:28 |
fewa | meh, i dont think it works | Oct 20 23:28 |
fewa | unless he bakes down | Oct 20 23:28 |
schestowitz | They can turn their e-mail responses to posts or book chapters | Oct 20 23:28 |
fewa | like Grayson | Oct 20 23:29 |
fewa | half of the media/establishment is intimidation of high level people | Oct 20 23:31 |
fewa | the other half propaganda | Oct 20 23:31 |
schestowitz | Linus too | Oct 20 23:40 |
schestowitz | Not Torvalds | Oct 20 23:40 |
schestowitz | Pauling | Oct 20 23:40 |
schestowitz | They were gonna put him in prison | Oct 20 23:40 |
schestowitz | He got a list of 11k scientist to sign s/t against nuclear tests in the atmosphere | Oct 20 23:41 |
fewa | anyone who dares stand up against the agression | Oct 20 23:41 |
schestowitz | The McCarthy bullies demanded that he divulge names of those who helped him | Oct 20 23:41 |
schestowitz | He was arrested a few times | Oct 20 23:41 |
schestowitz | Got a peace Nobel prize | Oct 20 23:41 |
schestowitz | His second such prize | Oct 20 23:41 |
schestowitz | Chomsky got arrested too | Oct 20 23:41 |
schestowitz | They give him ammo | Oct 20 23:42 |
schestowitz | He then uses it vs them | Oct 20 23:42 |
schestowitz | http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en-GB&q=youtube+linux&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=YzzeSpibAZOr4Qalz_wT&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CB4QqwQwAw#q=linus+pauling&hl=en-GB&emb=0 | Oct 20 23:42 |
schestowitz | Nice chap | Oct 20 23:42 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling | Oct 20 23:43 |
fewa | another great chap http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Feuerstein | Oct 20 23:54 |
fewa | can we keep mutex banned? | Oct 21 09:49 |
fewa | mutx | Oct 21 09:49 |
schestowitz | I think not | Oct 21 09:57 |
schestowitz | He'd come back anyhow, under different names | Oct 21 09:57 |
fewa | i guess | Oct 21 09:58 |
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fewa | http://english.aljazeera.net/aboutus/2008/10/20081024214239215281.html | Oct 21 11:37 |
fewa | What is the American image abroad? | Oct 21 11:37 |
schestowitz | Yes | Oct 21 11:43 |
schestowitz | I see it all the time | Oct 21 11:43 |
schestowitz | And I need to tell people, "it's not Americans, it's the scam who is running them" | Oct 21 11:43 |
schestowitz | Population != those who make foreign policy | Oct 21 11:43 |
schestowitz | The issues is that there's consent through brainwash | Oct 21 11:43 |
schestowitz | So they are taught to accept and defend these atrocious policies | Oct 21 11:44 |
fewa | that coverage is great | Oct 21 11:46 |
fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRqcfqiXCX0 | Oct 21 11:47 |
fewa | I cant find the official on this: http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/powell_mccain_gifted_orthodox.php | Oct 21 11:51 |
fewa | but jazeera reported it | Oct 21 11:51 |
fewa | "It troubled me. Those kind of images going out on Al-Jazeera are killing us around the world." | Oct 21 11:51 |
fewa | Colin Powell has asked the emir of qatar to shut down AL-Jazeera | Oct 21 11:52 |
fewa | back in bush years | Oct 21 11:54 |
fewa | 2001 | Oct 21 11:54 |
fewa | People who travel have told me its easier to have a pretense that you are from Canada | Oct 21 11:56 |
fewa | instead of the US | Oct 21 11:56 |
fewa | CSPAN 2 is covering british parliment | Oct 21 12:02 |
fewa | do you have any real bank regulation there either? | Oct 21 12:15 |
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trmanco | " | Oct 21 15:15 |
trmanco | Remember Monty's just been nominated on the board of the Codeplex | Oct 21 15:15 |
trmanco | foundation. MS wants MySQL for itself, or it wants the deal dead." | Oct 21 15:15 |
trmanco | schestowitz: update wordpress | Oct 21 15:19 |
schestowitz | yes, updated all blogs | Oct 21 15:23 |
schestowitz | Monty protects mysql | Oct 21 15:24 |
schestowitz | His baby | Oct 21 15:24 |
schestowitz | Been like this since the start | Oct 21 15:24 |
schestowitz | mariadb | Oct 21 15:24 |
schestowitz | Where does the above speculation come from?\ | Oct 21 15:24 |
schestowitz | I guess rms is also with ms then :-) | Oct 21 15:25 |
schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/innovationNews/idUSTRE59J2QM20091020 | Oct 21 15:25 |
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fewa | and at 1:30:00 with my senator | Oct 21 23:41 |
fewa | interesting | Oct 21 23:41 |
fewa | great that he is doing that | Oct 21 23:42 |
fewa | Buffet | Oct 21 23:42 |
schestowitz | Yuck. | Oct 22 00:34 |
schestowitz | He sickens me | Oct 22 00:34 |
schestowitz | Him and his tax-evading buddy | Oct 22 00:35 |
schestowitz | And I heard bad things about how he buys bad businesses to build his empire | Oct 22 00:35 |
fewa | he does have quite an empire | Oct 22 00:38 |
fewa | based on leveraging insurance money | Oct 22 00:38 |
fewa | ie other peoples money | Oct 22 00:38 |
schestowitz | Money is made only at someone's expense (labour, means) | Oct 22 00:44 |
schestowitz | BUT... | Oct 22 00:44 |
schestowitz | You'll be liked if those whom you exploit are NOT in your home country | Oct 22 00:45 |
schestowitz | "Us" vs "Them" | Oct 22 00:45 |
fewa | how about the only people that gain are those that labour? | Oct 22 00:48 |
fewa | why cant we just have that? | Oct 22 00:48 |
fewa | instead of all this bullshit | Oct 22 00:48 |
*schestowitz looks for vid | Oct 22 00:57 | |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vceIV4Arpmg&feature=related | Oct 22 00:57 |
schestowitz | short story (lesson I picked up): there are two types og jobs | Oct 22 00:58 |
schestowitz | 1) moving things around; 2) instructing others to do so | Oct 22 00:58 |
fewa | is that a computer speaker? | Oct 22 01:00 |
fewa | or a person | Oct 22 01:00 |
fewa | he referred to Say's law | Oct 22 01:05 |
fewa | "The war showed conclusively that, by the scientific organization of production, it is possible to keep modern populations in fair comfort on a small part of the working capacity of the modern world." | Oct 22 01:15 |
fewa | and that was WW1 | Oct 22 01:15 |
fewa | WW2 did that to a added level unseen | Oct 22 01:15 |
fewa | at least in the US where it was not subsequentally destroyed | Oct 22 01:15 |
fewa | why the neo-liberals are so evil | Oct 22 01:16 |
fewa | they seek to destroy organization | Oct 22 01:16 |
fewa | destroy production | Oct 22 01:17 |
fewa | create subserviance | Oct 22 01:17 |
fewa | "If, at the end of the war, the scientific organization, which had been created in order to liberate men for fighting and munition work, had been preserved, and the hours of the week had been cut down to four, all would have been well. Instead of that the old chaos was restored, those whose work was demanded were made to work long hours, and the rest were left to starve as unemployed. Why? Because work is a duty, and a man should not receive | Oct 22 01:17 |
fewa | wages in proportion to what he has produced, but in proportion to his virtue as exemplified by his industry." | Oct 22 01:17 |
fewa | why social programs are so important | Oct 22 01:17 |
fewa | This sort of thing has been so full washed out of conscience | Oct 22 01:18 |
fewa | any whay? | Oct 22 01:18 |
fewa | because it doesn't serve the short-term interests of the intellectuals | Oct 22 01:18 |
fewa | but instead the middle class | Oct 22 01:18 |
fewa | they want intellectualism to by an elite phenonomon | Oct 22 01:19 |
fewa | this is the real battle of our times | Oct 22 01:20 |
fewa | HP drops linux netbook in run up to vista 7 http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/series_can.do?storeName=computer_store&landing=notebooks&a1=Category&v1=Mini&jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg/lateralnav_mini_notebooks | Oct 22 01:55 |
schestowitz | US | Oct 22 02:06 |
schestowitz | Microsoftland | Oct 22 02:06 |
schestowitz | Different in EU (continental) | Oct 22 02:06 |
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fewa | g | Oct 22 08:36 |
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schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8317644.stm | Oct 22 11:20 |
fewa | doesn't mention the upcoming US supreme court case | Oct 22 11:22 |
fewa | on the uighurs | Oct 22 11:22 |
fewa | held at guantanamo | Oct 22 11:23 |
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MinceR | schestowitz: lefty's back | Oct 22 22:37 |
fewa | yep | Oct 22 22:38 |
MinceR | trmanco: ^ | Oct 22 22:39 |
trmanco | I'll give you op | Oct 22 22:40 |
trmanco | I hate to ban | Oct 22 22:40 |
trmanco | MinceR: or fewa | Oct 22 22:40 |
MinceR | ok | Oct 22 22:40 |
fewa | The Democrats on the senate are picking up weiner arguments | Oct 22 23:03 |
fewa | !!!! | Oct 22 23:03 |
schestowitz | Meh. | Oct 22 23:04 |
fewa | they tend to parrot what is told them | Oct 22 23:05 |
fewa | without much research | Oct 22 23:05 |
fewa | thats why I think they need their own research staffs | Oct 22 23:05 |
MinceR | wiener arguments! | Oct 22 23:05 |
MinceR | "mine is bigger" | Oct 22 23:06 |
fewa | Anthony Weiner | Oct 22 23:06 |
fewa | lol | Oct 22 23:06 |
fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_6s4RVUkA4 | Oct 22 23:06 |
*schestowitz bookmarks | Oct 22 23:10 | |
fewa | meh its kinda old | Oct 22 23:10 |
fewa | but hits key points of health care | Oct 22 23:10 |
schestowitz | Aussie atheists knocked offline http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/22/australia_hack_attack/ | Oct 22 23:24 |
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*Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Oct 24 01:20 | |
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Oct 24 01:20 | |
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fewa | oooo bachmann is on cspan | Oct 24 05:00 |
fewa | the crazy | Oct 24 05:00 |
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fewa | kick mutxx | Oct 24 10:50 |
schestowitz | Dissenting view | Oct 24 10:55 |
schestowitz | I'd rather ignore | Oct 24 10:55 |
fewa | meh | Oct 24 11:01 |
trmanco | MinceR: you there? | Oct 24 14:57 |
trmanco | or fewa | Oct 24 14:57 |
trmanco | ban the guy | Oct 24 14:57 |
fewa | i dont have op | Oct 24 14:59 |
fewa | at least i dont think i do | Oct 24 14:59 |
trmanco | there you go | Oct 24 14:59 |
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schestowitz | mutex is sitting on our veins | Oct 24 15:20 |
schestowitz | He can't be driven away | Oct 24 15:20 |
fewa | why ive believed he is payed | Oct 24 15:20 |
fewa | why ive believed he is payed | Oct 24 15:21 |
schestowitz | By whom? In AU? | Oct 24 15:22 |
schestowitz | Could be a Microsoft partner | Oct 24 15:23 |
schestowitz | Vested interests | Oct 24 15:23 |
fewa | idk | Oct 24 15:23 |
fewa | just seems wierd someone would be so insistant | Oct 24 15:23 |
fewa | and even consistant | Oct 24 15:23 |
fewa | anyways that kinda besides the point | Oct 24 15:25 |
schestowitz | He sits there reading all | Oct 24 15:27 |
schestowitz | Trying to find chances to attack | Oct 24 15:27 |
schestowitz | 'moderate' | Oct 24 15:27 |
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schestowitz | from mail: | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | Meet Chris, who claims to manipulate internal Microsoft presentations as a | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | contractor. He says that he takes internal speeches by various subject | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | matter experts and makes them into streaming presentations that match the | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | talking head with his Power Point slides. His story is attractive and | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | plausible enough but I'm not sure I can or should use him as a source of | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | information. | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | My meeting Chris was random enough but there were several alarming things. | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | When I first met him he said he was a video producer. It was only later that | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | he told me about his day job at Microsoft. I met him in a coffee shop while | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | chatting with a person who walked in with a nice big video camera. | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | Conversation was innocent enough and I offered them help with free software | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | if they wanted it. It strains credulity to think that all four of the people | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | I was chatting with were in cahoots with Microsoft, but they need not be. He | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | invited me and his neighbor downtown to spraypaint and skateboard in Antiques | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | Row. He and his neighbor live in some really squalid apartment, so whatever | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | he's doing for Microsoft does not pay well. The most suspicious part of the | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | encounter is that it is good to be true. The real Microsoft inside | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | information just fell out of the sky into my lap? I don't believe it. | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | While I'd love to pump the guy for innformation, I'm afraid it would be bad | Oct 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | for both of us. First, Microsoft lies to it's own employees. The videos | Oct 25 01:54 |
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fewa | yep | Oct 25 01:56 |
fewa | you dont have a paste buffer in your irc client to deal with that? | Oct 25 01:56 |
schestowitz | I'll keep it in mind for now | Oct 25 01:56 |
schestowitz | Nice.. | Oct 25 10:24 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 25 10:24 |
schestowitz | The "Comes vs MS px04275 pdf", as text (gedit), is attached. | Oct 25 10:24 |
schestowitz | This one had "walls of text" on many of the pages. I had to add spaces in some of the blocks of text just to be able to visually keep my place. | Oct 25 10:24 |
schestowitz | I didn't recreate any of their bullets either, where ever there's a bullet in the original, I just used a dash (MSWord bullets, blechh... :) | Oct 25 10:24 |
schestowitz | Anyway, you'll likely have to fix the formatting, but I left the spaces because they might help you proof read it. Otherwise it'll make your eyes cross. | Oct 25 10:24 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 25 10:24 |
schestowitz | There are also graphics attached. I had to laugh, every program I opened them in to check the size, showed a different pixel width. I didn't know which one to trust, so I just did the best I could with it. Hope they work okay. | Oct 25 10:25 |
schestowitz | I did my very best to check for typos in the graphics, I hope there are none, but please let me know if you find any. It's not hard to fix them. | Oct 25 10:25 |
schestowitz | Also, it just occurred to me that there should be a disclaimer next to the graphics, or somewhere close by. [...] If you have problems with any of the attachments, please let me know and I'll fix 'em and send 'em again. " | Oct 25 10:25 |
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fewa | there was tons of hype in yahoo answers | Oct 25 16:25 |
fewa | which looked ligitimate | Oct 25 16:26 |
fewa | yahoo answers seems to be young and not-so-yound lay-people | Oct 25 16:26 |
fewa | not so good w/ computers | Oct 25 16:26 |
MinceR | trmanco: now i am | Oct 25 19:49 |
schestowitz | am what? | Oct 25 19:50 |
schestowitz | trmanco been away all day | Oct 25 19:51 |
schestowitz | He has been hanging out with the COOL kids :-) | Oct 25 19:51 |
schestowitz | meh. http://www.technewsworld.com/story/68444.html | Oct 25 19:54 |
MinceR | here | Oct 25 19:58 |
schestowitz | Oh | Oct 25 19:59 |
schestowitz | [14:57] <trmanco> MinceR: you there? | Oct 25 19:59 |
schestowitz | Very, very old message | Oct 25 19:59 |
MinceR | indeed | Oct 25 19:59 |
MinceR | i've been away for the weekend | Oct 25 19:59 |
schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=109045 | Oct 25 19:59 |
schestowitz | latvia moves to FOSS/ODF | Oct 25 20:00 |
MinceR | lulz | Oct 25 20:00 |
schestowitz | Absurdistan -- no | Oct 25 20:00 |
MinceR | <ballmer> give us moar money!!! MOAR!!! <bulgaria> sry, we're all out of cash, lol | Oct 25 20:00 |
schestowitz | You worked the weekend.. working for the man (Steve) | Oct 25 20:00 |
MinceR | don't expect absurdistan to change for the better | Oct 25 20:00 |
schestowitz | as much as I ridicule the UK, I'm proud of it, still | Oct 25 20:03 |
schestowitz | But it's with the bad guys, the oppressor | Oct 25 20:03 |
schestowitz | At least I'm not in denial about it | Oct 25 20:04 |
MinceR | i could try banning by username, but he can evade that | Oct 25 21:46 |
MinceR | also, he can query the banlist even if he isn't on the channel | Oct 25 21:46 |
schestowitz | He can always find some way | Oct 25 21:46 |
schestowitz | Or open proxy | Oct 25 21:46 |
schestowitz | You can onyl ever inconvenience him | Oct 25 21:46 |
schestowitz | Invite-only would be bad for longer than a short while. Regulars denied and insulted | Oct 25 21:47 |
MinceR | and we could ban those proxies | Oct 25 21:50 |
MinceR | doesn't the ircd check for open proxy on connect? | Oct 25 21:50 |
schestowitz | I really don't know. Maybe. | Oct 25 21:50 |
schestowitz | David Miliband tipped as EU foreign minister http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/22/david-miliband-europe-foreign-minister | Oct 25 22:07 |
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oiaohm | Ok why is boycottnovell invite only ? | Oct 25 22:41 |
oiaohm | Am I in trouble? | Oct 25 22:42 |
schestowitz | Nope | Oct 25 22:42 |
schestowitz | Mutex trolling | Oct 25 22:42 |
schestowitz | Try now | Oct 25 22:42 |
MinceR | i don't think that banning hex ips gets us anywhere now | Oct 25 22:47 |
MinceR | maybe he's using open proxies to access web gateways | Oct 25 22:47 |
MinceR | imo we should just ban the web gateway for now | Oct 25 22:47 |
MinceR | temporarily | Oct 25 22:47 |
schestowitz | OK | Oct 25 22:48 |
trmanco | I'm back | Oct 25 22:58 |
schestowitz | Hey, sent off the bot | Oct 25 22:58 |
schestowitz | I'm about to post news :-) | Oct 25 22:58 |
trmanco | ok | Oct 25 22:58 |
schestowitz | "See the IRC log. mutex messed up the channel, so we temporarily blocked the Web UI access. Try again now, I'd explain what happened." | Oct 26 01:45 |
schestowitz | See what he does? | Oct 26 01:45 |
schestowitz | Now legitimate people are being told they're banned | Oct 26 01:45 |
schestowitz | Because of stupid trolls | Oct 26 01:45 |
fewa | kind of a passing remarks lessig said that there should be some way to figure out who people are on the internet | Oct 26 01:49 |
fewa | but do it in a way that doesn't create mass survillence | Oct 26 01:50 |
fewa | seems like something hard | Oct 26 01:50 |
fewa | unless you have mass encrypt | Oct 26 01:50 |
fewa | rework all the protocols | Oct 26 01:50 |
fewa | idk, osunds like a pipedream | Oct 26 01:52 |
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MinceR | figure out who people are, without breaking anonymity? :> | Oct 26 06:36 |
fewa | like a licence plate, but better | Oct 26 06:36 |
fewa | here is where he says it: http://blip.tv/file/2016591 | Oct 26 06:37 |
MinceR | one thing we could do is persuade regulars to register and in the case of attack only allow registered and identified users to join (iirc that's channel mode +R) | Oct 26 06:37 |
fewa | doesn't go into much detail | Oct 26 06:37 |
MinceR | then we can ban individuals by nickserv account | Oct 26 06:38 |
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schestowitz | just got this via mail: | Oct 26 20:16 |
schestowitz | > > [XXXXXX] | Oct 26 20:16 |
schestowitz | > > I suspect that M$ had a friend inside my ISP and that they watched my traffic | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > closely. I'm sure that [XXXXXX] had a text filter on my outbound email and I | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > published the fact. | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > h[XXXXXX] | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > I also know that [XXXXXX]'s outbound mail filter harmed my job search as it | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > tightened up to the point of blocking all of my outbound mail for weeks. | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > Finally, I know that Cox responded to M$ requests to block ports for all | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > users soon after [XXXXXX] took over the wide open @Home network. | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > | Oct 26 20:17 |
fewa | freenode doesn't do ssl | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > [XXXXXX] | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > [XXXXXX] | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > My Vista efforts don't matter so much anymore. The mainstream press noticed | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > long ago that Vista was a pig and now they are turning on Windows 7. I'm | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > glad that BN is providing an irrefutable reality check. The reality of M$ | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > software is always worse than I can imagine it, and I've got a well informed | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > imagination. Free software will take over the gap that Vista has left and | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > people may gain their software freedom. | Oct 26 20:17 |
schestowitz | > > | Oct 26 20:17 |
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schestowitz | Some people won't use IRC due to privacy though | Oct 26 20:18 |
fewa | *TLS | Oct 26 20:18 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Oct 26 20:19 |
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MinceR | if mutex is here, why don't we kickban him? | Oct 26 23:11 |
schestowitz | I just did | Oct 26 23:13 |
MinceR | :) | Oct 26 23:13 |
MinceR | i didn't dare just do it myself | Oct 26 23:13 |
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schestowitz | > Here's plex0 2846 pdf as text. Yesterday was full of distractions | Oct 27 18:27 |
schestowitz | > around here (typical Monday madness), so please proof this one | Oct 27 18:27 |
schestowitz | > carefully. There could still be some OCR typos in it. The gedit file is | Oct 27 18:27 |
schestowitz | > attached. | Oct 27 18:27 |
schestowitz | > | Oct 27 18:27 |
schestowitz | > Must run now, but will check into IRC for a second and let you know this | Oct 27 18:28 |
schestowitz | > is here. | Oct 27 18:28 |
schestowitz | Thanks a LOT! Last exhibit got thousands of readers (but it's _long term_ that many people access it and use it for legal purposes, as they have before). | Oct 27 18:28 |
schestowitz | COmes stuff pays off :-) | Oct 27 18:28 |
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MinceR | http://cheeseorfont.mogrify.org/ | Oct 28 08:08 |
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fewa | whats out of date with the criticism? | Oct 28 20:48 |
fewa | ODF 1.2 fixes the majority of those wishlist bugs | Oct 28 20:49 |
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fewa | I should just give up, Daemon never listens | Oct 30 03:51 |
fewa | where did "twitter" go? | Oct 30 04:39 |
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schestowitz | Teamwork :-) | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:23] <otro_viajero7> I ll do it the best I can | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:24] <schestowitz> Thanks | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:51] <otro_viajero7> http://pastebin.org/49660 | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:52] <otro_viajero7> well there it is ;) | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:52] <schestowitz> Excellent!! | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:52] <schestowitz> Who should I attribute this translation to? | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:52] <otro_viajero7> David Alberto Osso | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:53] <otro_viajero7> and one favour | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:54] <otro_viajero7> could you please give some opinion about this open source project that I am doing: | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:54] <otro_viajero7> http://sourceforge.net/projects/daoreprconsola/ | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:55] <schestowitz> Sure | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:55] <otro_viajero7> take into account that I am doing it in my free time :p | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:55] <schestowitz> I can link to it also | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:56] <schestowitz> Do you want me to test it? | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:56] <otro_viajero7> yes you can thanks man :) | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:56] <schestowitz> Will do | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:56] <otro_viajero7> it is in alpha stage | Oct 31 01:07 |
schestowitz | [00:57] <otro_viajero7> it should work but if don t well don t blame me heh | Oct 31 01:18 |
schestowitz | [00:59] <schestowitz> roy@roy:~/Desktop/v0015$ make | Oct 31 01:18 |
schestowitz | [00:59] <schestowitz> gcc -o DAOREPRCONSOLA Buscar.c ReprConsola.c -g -O2 -I /usr/local/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -static -L/usr/local/lib -Wl,-rpath,usr/local/lib -lSDL_mixer -lmad -lSDL -ldl -lm -lpthread | Oct 31 01:18 |
schestowitz | [...] | Oct 31 01:18 |
schestowitz | [01:00] <otro_viajero7> well the thing is that you need the SDL libraries but anyway see it in the home page the interface | Oct 31 01:18 |
schestowitz | [01:00] <otro_viajero7> that will give you an Idea of how it is | Oct 31 01:18 |
schestowitz | [01:00] <schestowitz> I'll try | Oct 31 01:18 |
schestowitz | [01:02] <otro_viajero7> thanks a lot for your help ;) | Oct 31 01:18 |
schestowitz | [01:02] <schestowitz> Thank YOU | Oct 31 01:18 |
schestowitz | [01:04] <schestowitz> http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/30/free-software-italian-survey/ Survey in Italy: OpenOffice.org Usage in 50% of Companies, GNU/Linux at 63% | Oct 31 01:18 |
schestowitz | [01:06] <otro_viajero7> thanks man that will do ;) | Oct 31 01:18 |
schestowitz | [01:06] <schestowitz> will try your program on Sunday | Oct 31 01:18 |
schestowitz | [01:07] <otro_viajero7> ok no problem ;) | Oct 31 01:18 |
schestowitz | [01:11] <otro_viajero7> I will bookmark your page it is interesting indeed, well see you another time Roy if you want to stay in touch do not doubt to mail me. | Oct 31 01:18 |
schestowitz | [01:17] <schestowitz> Cool, thanks a LOT | Oct 31 01:18 |
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schestowitz | Hmmmmmm...... | Oct 31 10:17 |
schestowitz | <tip for publishing but not for direct quote because I am having | Oct 31 10:17 |
schestowitz | argument elsewhere> | Oct 31 10:17 |
schestowitz | Microsoft's Novell Linux, Suse, apparently picked up some Microsoft | Oct 31 10:17 |
schestowitz | style bootloader problems. At least Suse 11 seems to destroy the | Oct 31 10:17 |
schestowitz | existing bootloader and, thus not co-exist with other distros that were | Oct 31 10:17 |
schestowitz | already there. In otherwords, it behaves like Windows in that regard. | Oct 31 10:17 |
schestowitz | See also | Oct 31 10:17 |
schestowitz | "He Who Controls the Bootloader" by Scott Hacker (sp?) | Oct 31 10:17 |
schestowitz | </> | Oct 31 10:17 |
MinceR | http://m.blog.hu/at/attilag78/image/R80_SA_Pretoria_Rosslyn.jpg | Oct 31 23:27 |
schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1559635/chrome-mac-slow | Oct 31 23:34 |
schestowitz | MinceR: i spent 1 minute trying to find obscene pattern | Oct 31 23:34 |
schestowitz | Any help? | Oct 31 23:34 |
MinceR | no obscene pattern, just a really stupid way to do a right turn :> | Oct 31 23:34 |
schestowitz | I was expecting something like geographic genitalia | Oct 31 23:34 |
MinceR | :) | Oct 31 23:35 |
schestowitz | I guess I didn't look at the right details | Oct 31 23:35 |
schestowitz | Or the swastika building in Cali | Oct 31 23:35 |
schestowitz | Governor Ubemensch must love it | Oct 31 23:35 |
schestowitz | http://www.satellite-sightseer.com/id/4005 | Oct 31 23:36 |
schestowitz | http://www.switched.com/2007/09/26/google-earth-uncovers-swastika-shaped-government-building/ | Oct 31 23:36 |
schestowitz | http://www.arnoldexposed.com/ | Oct 31 23:36 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 31 23:36 |
schestowitz | The son of an SS nazi officer, | Oct 31 23:36 |
schestowitz | Schwarzenegger has publicly stated that | Oct 31 23:36 |
schestowitz | he has dreamed of being a dictator and that he | Oct 31 23:36 |
schestowitz | admires Hitler. He campaigned for war criminal | Oct 31 23:36 |
schestowitz | Kurt Waldhiem after it had been made public that he | Oct 31 23:36 |
schestowitz | was a top nazi. | Oct 31 23:36 |
schestowitz | The stories of Arnold's barbaric harrassment of women are | Oct 31 23:36 |
schestowitz | legendary. He publicly admits to steroid and marijuana use. | Oct 31 23:36 |
schestowitz | He supported Enron chief, Ken Lay during the California energy | Oct 31 23:37 |
schestowitz | crisis and now his political operatives have launched a blitzkrieg | Oct 31 23:37 |
schestowitz | promoting him for President and seeking to end the Constitutional | Oct 31 23:37 |
schestowitz | bar against him holding that office. | Oct 31 23:37 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 31 23:37 |
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