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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Deutschlandfunk, Deutschlandradio and the Nation of #NewZealand Show the Way Regarding So2ftware Patentability http://ur1.ca/svaa | Apr 02 00:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] The filtering system in Thunderbird 3 (in its current state) is badly malfunctioning. Useless to lurk COLA... | Apr 02 00:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Fortunately I can use the old score file. There is no way to add new nyms :-( | Apr 02 00:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OOXML Crony Admits That “ #Microsoft Fails the Standards Test” http://ur1.ca/svcf #odf #corruption #standard | Apr 02 00:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What Happens Next in the #SCO Case (Post #Novell ) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/01/what-sco-may-do-next/ | Apr 02 01:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] What about Novell losing the WordPerfect case to Microsoft, or was that yet another April's Fool? | Apr 02 01:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Questioning #Ubuntu ’s Direction http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/01/ubuntu-leadership-vision/ #yahoo #microsoft #canonical #search #coup | Apr 02 01:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst no, it was real | Apr 02 01:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: the WordPerfect case? And Novell slips that trojan (Mono and Moonlie) in for their "partners"? | Apr 02 01:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] It is perfectly clear that Microsoft "eliminated" WordPerfect. I've used and preferred it for years. | Apr 02 01:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] It is perfectly clear that Microsoft "eliminated" WordPerfect. I've used and preferred it for years. | Apr 02 01:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Microsoft Word didn't even come close to WordPerfect, also their spreadsheets app "PlanPerfect" was great. | Apr 02 01:56 | |
| DaemonFC | He means before WordPerfect was left to stagnate and inserted DRM spyware I suppose | Apr 02 02:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some Examples of Businesses That Use #GNU #Linux on the Desktop http://ur1.ca/svlc | Apr 02 02:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Latest Stable #Linux (Kernel Space) http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/opinion/the-kernel-column-85/ | Apr 02 02:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Foundation Grows Further, #MeeGo Release Announced http://ur1.ca/svm6 http://ur1.ca/svm7 http://ur1.ca/svm8 | Apr 02 02:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Viewnior 1.0 is Released http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/viewnior-10-released-still-fast-awesome.html | Apr 02 02:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kim Kardashian to Promote K Desktop Environment ( #KDE SC), #GNOME 2.30 Released http://ur1.ca/sqzz http://ur1.ca/svmg | Apr 02 02:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS Has New Magazine, #Gentoo Has Birthday http://ur1.ca/svmh http://ur1.ca/svmj | Apr 02 02:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the #PureOS Distribution http://beginlinux.com/desktop_training/reviews/pureos-20-screenshots | Apr 02 02:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] An interesting site, Transparency International. http://www.transparency.org/ | Apr 02 02:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LinuxMint 8 “Helena” Xfce is Out, #RedHat 6 Near http://ur1.ca/svo6 http://ur1.ca/svo8 | Apr 02 02:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I think I am going to go back to Evolution from Thunderbird: it is feeling great. :-) #gnome | Apr 02 03:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | time to RMA my new GPU | Apr 02 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | grrr | Apr 02 03:35 |
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| yuhong | Now that MS is finally supporting SVG, I want to mention this: | Apr 02 03:53 |
| yuhong | http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2006/11/10/1054354.aspx | Apr 02 03:53 |
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| yuhong | "If you are offended by VML, cover your ears and hum for a while." | Apr 02 03:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Just felt sad seeing a picture of all my old Brazilian workmates. Best working experience of my life. | Apr 02 03:53 | |
| cubezzz | bah | Apr 02 03:54 |
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| cubezzz | the net is better without Microsoft crap | Apr 02 03:56 |
| cubezzz | "VML was submitted as a proposed standard to the W3C in 1998 by Autodesk, Hewlett-Packard, Macromedia, Microsoft, and Visio" | Apr 02 03:56 |
| craig___ | Looks like the MONO team are trying to infect Grub with it | Apr 02 03:56 |
| cubezzz | no one uses VRML either, remember that? :) | Apr 02 03:56 |
| craig___ | http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/linux/233/ | Apr 02 03:56 |
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| cubezzz | craig___, fortunately I use old grub :) | Apr 02 03:57 |
| cubezzz | starting to see older as better more and more | Apr 02 03:57 |
| cubezzz | things usually start well, then go downhill | Apr 02 03:58 |
| craig___ | hopefully the contamination is only limited to Ubuntu and does not make it into upstream (I'm seriously considering moving to Mandriva) | Apr 02 03:59 |
| cubezzz | I just don't care about IE | Apr 02 03:59 |
| craig___ | IE? | Apr 02 04:00 |
| cubezzz | exactly :) | Apr 02 04:00 |
| cubezzz | the main problem with old is none of the younger users want to know about it | Apr 02 04:01 |
| craig___ | I think I'm a "younger user" :) | Apr 02 04:01 |
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| cubezzz | people are doing a terrible job of archiving stuff | Apr 02 04:03 |
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| craig___ | I need to go to bed | Apr 02 04:04 |
| craig___ | g'night | Apr 02 04:04 |
| cubezzz | later | Apr 02 04:04 |
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| cubezzz | myself included, I didn't archive everything | Apr 02 04:04 |
| cubezzz | my Amiga disks went to disk heaven | Apr 02 04:05 |
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| cubezzz | now some stuff I don't miss at all, like WordPerfect | Apr 02 04:06 |
| cubezzz | and Wordstar | Apr 02 04:06 |
| cubezzz | and MInce | Apr 02 04:06 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @edwardvirtually "Personal traits will be used to screen US-bound passengers" http://bit.ly/cbvIv5 //what a freaking joke #fear #paranoia | Apr 02 06:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @GreatIndianSale @zenrainman #Bangalore area desperately short of #water due to overdevelopment, sewage, #pollution http://bit.ly/b0XdrN | Apr 02 06:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] (#Bangalore's #water problem today is our problem tomorrow. #China's #pollution problem today is ours tomorrow. Etc) | Apr 02 06:07 | |
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| Ender2070 | http://www.xkcd.com/717/ | Apr 02 06:33 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] #shotofjaq goes Doba in "the war iof the editors" - save your time by missing this episode, the answer is "No" | Apr 02 06:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] is every #shotofjaq from now on gonna be this moronic or is it just a one off joke that lasts 10 mins longer than it needs to be? | Apr 02 06:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Editing Shot Of Jaq #shotofjaq | Apr 02 06:58 | |
| Ender2070 | http://dot.kde.org/2010/04/01/announcing-upcoming-release-new-customized-kde-software-compilations | Apr 02 07:01 |
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| DaemonFC | "Praise be to the Tea Party for purging the merely incompetent Republicans and replacing them with dedicated and truly evil drones instead." -me | Apr 02 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 02 07:04 |
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| Omar87 | Hello, folks! | Apr 02 07:06 |
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| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/04/02/another-rant-grrrr-newegg-bad-actually-getting-a-refund-good/ | Apr 02 07:46 |
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| omar_ | schestowitz, ping | Apr 02 07:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] I will not mind if my govt choose html5 instead of odf Or doc. HTML5 technology is forever. but yes, I love html5 and .odf. I only hate .doc | Apr 02 07:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Just noticed Mint 8 XFCE is out on 31/3/10 \o/ - I feel a day of reinstalling coming on http://tinyurl.com/yjat9y2 | Apr 02 07:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #OpenSourceAmman was amazing! It was such a great pleasure to meet all these amazing people from #Jeeran, #FreeSoft and the others. :-) | Apr 02 08:00 | |
| omar_ | Guys, I would like to introduce to you: FreeSoft.jo! (www.freesoft.jo) | Apr 02 08:00 |
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| Omar87 | It is the main Free Software company in Jordan. (Yes, I said "Free Software" NOT just "Open Source") | Apr 02 08:02 |
| tessier | It probably translates better in your language. | Apr 02 08:07 |
| tessier | English is unfortunate in this case. :( | Apr 02 08:07 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Ubuntu 10.04 and #FreeBSD 7.3 http://ur1.ca/swra http://ur1.ca/swrb | Apr 02 08:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Phone Has Better Functionality Than #iPhone http://www.handlewithlinux.com/bphone-linux-phone-rotate-screen | Apr 02 08:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] All my sincere greetings to Mr. Kefah Issa from FreeSoft for spreading the awareness about Free Software last night! #OpenSourceAmman | Apr 02 08:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Experiences With #Android / #Linux and New Rumours About Decoupling http://ur1.ca/swsf http://ur1.ca/swsg | Apr 02 08:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] idea for .zhtml format #html5 #web http://post.ly/XCil | Apr 02 08:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fusion of Proprietary and #FreeSoftware With #Prefab http://ur1.ca/swsm http://ur1.ca/swso http://ur1.ca/swsp | Apr 02 08:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Signs of #FreeSoftware Gaining Ground in #Education http://ur1.ca/swsz http://ur1.ca/swt0 | Apr 02 08:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Turns to #Direct2D http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20001469-264.html | Apr 02 08:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SaaS at #JumpBox Depends on #FreeSoftware http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/03/28/jumpbox-delivering-open-source-as-a-service/ | Apr 02 08:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Funding for Free/Open Source Software on the Increase http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/59516 | Apr 02 08:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Public-i Releases Software Under the European Public License (EUPL) http://ur1.ca/swud | Apr 02 08:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Document Freedom Day a Major Threat to Microsoft's Monoculture http://ur1.ca/swuh http://ur1.ca/swui http://ur1.ca/swuj | Apr 02 08:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Law Set Free With Openness in the #OpenAccess Sense http://opensource.com/law/10/3/lawgov-opening-primary-legal-materials | Apr 02 08:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Australia 's Conroy Subverts #Democracy http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/29/google-yahoo-australia-internet-filter | Apr 02 08:43 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Google and Yahoo criticise Australia's 'heavy-handed' internet filter plans |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 186.49 KB | Apr 02 08:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Plague of #Flash at Risk due to #HTML5 http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/11952.html | Apr 02 08:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Intellectual Monopolists Want to Intrude People's Computers http://government.zdnet.com/?p=8559 | Apr 02 08:45 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: What's inside your home is yours, except computer files | ZDNet Government | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 116.38 KB | Apr 02 08:45 |
| oiaohm | The cutting android down to core makes sence. | Apr 02 08:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@LusciousPear Cthulhu and Phthalate are best friends, right? #chemistry // Crowley and Lovecraft's #Pokemon | Apr 02 08:49 | |
| Ender2070 | Pokemon! | Apr 02 08:53 |
| Ender2070 | Gotta catch em all | Apr 02 08:53 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, tessier | Apr 02 08:58 |
| schestowitz | craig___ is wrong | Apr 02 09:07 |
| schestowitz | It was April Fool's, I hope | Apr 02 09:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.inhabitat.com/2010/04/01/nasa-launches-giant-magnifying-glass-into-space-to-collect-solar-energy/ | Apr 02 09:14 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] If anyone is interested in nice scientific videos, Aron Ra and Potholer seem like good channels http://ur1.ca/swym http://ur1.ca/swyn | Apr 02 09:16 | |
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| Ender2070 | lol obviously | Apr 02 09:20 |
| schestowitz | The guy who was here earlier didn't see it | Apr 02 09:21 |
| schestowitz | It was so obvious, I man, WHO THE HECK programs in Moonlie?!?! | Apr 02 09:21 |
| schestowitz | *mean | Apr 02 09:21 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: some people need to be careful what they joke about. | Apr 02 09:21 |
| oiaohm | Space based reflectors have already been done. Just not on s scale to be human killing. | Apr 02 09:22 |
| oiaohm | We don't need to give some goverments around the world more ideas to kill humans. | Apr 02 09:22 |
| schestowitz | Not even Microsoft uses Silverlie to make proggies | Apr 02 09:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Apr 02 09:22 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Apr 02 09:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | that nasa thing is sorta old news | Apr 02 09:22 |
| Ender2070 | hey Diablo-D3 | Apr 02 09:23 |
| schestowitz | NASA's probes won't work far from Earth | Apr 02 09:23 |
| schestowitz | No solar energy | Apr 02 09:23 |
| schestowitz | They use some nuclear preserves | Apr 02 09:23 |
| schestowitz | Then crash them into gas giants at the end | Apr 02 09:24 |
| oiaohm | Define far. Solar collection alone works out to Mar's for sure. | Apr 02 09:25 |
| schestowitz | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/androidguyscom/~3/9YDx9NBa98Q/ | Apr 02 09:25 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Google FeedBurner .::. Size~: 11.57 KB | Apr 02 09:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: further away from the Sun | Apr 02 09:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.androidguys.com/2010/04/01/sloof-lirpa-person-shooter/ | Apr 02 09:26 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Sloof Lirpa First Person Shooter | AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 36.47 KB | Apr 02 09:26 |
| schestowitz | How long before 2ghz mobile processors with 1600px screens? | Apr 02 09:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can already buy laptops with 1920x1200 screens | Apr 02 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Google reckons desktop are the old guard\ | Apr 02 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: different pixel density | Apr 02 09:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, very high | Apr 02 09:27 |
| schestowitz | Sixth Sense has potential | Apr 02 09:27 |
| schestowitz | We don't need so much energy | Apr 02 09:27 |
| schestowitz | Just projectiles | Apr 02 09:27 |
| schestowitz | All it takes to give input is some representation of the data | Apr 02 09:28 |
| schestowitz | The light can come from a dense source | Apr 02 09:28 |
| Ender2070 | Diablo-D3 - can you recommend any java programming sites? | Apr 02 09:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] No more O2 complaints.....Finally confirmed my move away....I won't be whining about it anymore.....They will never get my custom again. | Apr 02 09:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] On happier news, house is finally clean (after builders left it in a layer of dust) | Apr 02 09:31 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100331/1228088813.shtml | Apr 02 09:39 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Court Says President Bush Violated Wiretapping Laws With Warrantless Wiretap | Techdirt .::. Size~: 125.9 KB | Apr 02 09:39 |
| schestowitz | \0/ | Apr 02 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Send him to Gitmo | Apr 02 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | It's not like it's that hard to lie and get a warrant vbased on false "probable cause" | Apr 02 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | but then there is a paper trail later if they get discovered | Apr 02 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | so unconstitutional wiretapping was basically a way to avoid accountability later if it was proven their grounds for obtaining a warrant were frivolous | Apr 02 09:46 |
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| _goblin | hi all | Apr 02 09:49 |
| schestowitz | http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/announcing-the-fedora-12-newbie-remix/ | Apr 02 09:52 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Announcing the Fedora 12 Newbie Remix « Hacker's Ramblings: Blag by Rix .::. Size~: 21.89 KB | Apr 02 09:52 |
| schestowitz | Morning, _goblin | Apr 02 09:52 |
| schestowitz | Day off | Apr 02 09:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] It's particularly easy to get the encouragement you need from ... More for Aquarius http://twittascope.com/?sign=11 | Apr 02 09:52 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.opera.com/portal/inspace/ | Apr 02 09:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/different-kind-of-company-name.html | Apr 02 09:53 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Official Google Blog: A different kind of company name .::. Size~: 87.59 KB | Apr 02 09:53 |
| schestowitz | http://shermann.name/content/breaking-news-google-is-going-to-acquire-novell-and-the-unix-copyright | Apr 02 09:53 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Breaking News: Google is going to acquire Novell and the Unix copyright | shermanns life .::. Size~: 28.85 KB | Apr 02 09:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/03/huge-oracle-buys-ubuntu.html | Apr 02 09:55 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: [HUGE] Oracle buys Ubuntu!!! | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 93.5 KB | Apr 02 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Wouldn't that make them a party to the Microsoft agreement? | Apr 02 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | is there a way to withdraw from that? | Apr 02 09:56 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Yes day off....would cost too much to get me to work today! | Apr 02 09:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: java has a manual, you know | Apr 02 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | April Fools Day was yesterday | Apr 02 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 02 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: saw your two tweets here earlier | Apr 02 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | _goblin: nice | Apr 02 09:57 |
| _goblin | finally got rid of o2 | Apr 02 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: heh Oracle buying Ubuntu I guess that's the April fools joke | Apr 02 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6310E120100402?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews | Apr 02 09:58 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: U.S. to impose new airline security measures| Reuters .::. Size~: 55.14 KB | Apr 02 09:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: not gone on link yet | Apr 02 09:58 |
| _goblin | i fell for the Ballmer and Microsoft Linux on Tuxmachines | Apr 02 09:58 |
| _goblin | for about 2 mins | Apr 02 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | New ways to frisk grandma while the guy in the turban with a bomb in his ass walks right past | Apr 02 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | typical government bullshit | Apr 02 09:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh it's not hte 1st anymore | Apr 02 09:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: so your the fool of the year? | Apr 02 09:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] sounds like widget http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets/ RT: @eduvid: idea for .zhtml format #html5 #web http://post.ly/XCil | Apr 02 09:58 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Widget Packaging and Configuration .::. Size~: 300.06 KB | Apr 02 09:58 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: idea for .zhtml format #html5 #web - Narendra Sisodiya's posterous .::. Size~: 25.87 KB | Apr 02 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/01/AR2010040103584.html | Apr 02 10:00 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: U.S. frigate seizes suspected Somali pirates - washingtonpost.com .::. Size~: 89.63 KB | Apr 02 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | "Shortly after midnight, the suspected pirates fired on the USS Nicholas west of the Seychelles Islands in an apparent attempt to seize the ship and hold it for ransom. The 453-foot frigate returned fire, sinking one boat and seizing the mother ship, the Navy said in a statement." | Apr 02 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | haha, dumbasses | Apr 02 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | pwned | Apr 02 10:01 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-20001581-36.html | Apr 02 10:01 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Geeky in-jokes dominate April Fools' Day 2010 | The Social - CNET News .::. Size~: 96.25 KB | Apr 02 10:01 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: uhmm the date? did that really happen? | Apr 02 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb: What were they trying to attack a US Navy frigate with is what I want to know | Apr 02 10:02 |
| sebsebseb | well go on these links soon | Apr 02 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | that thing isn't an unarmed luxury yacht | Apr 02 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 02 10:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/April-Fools-Day-Jokes-pranks,10048.html http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2010/04/01/top-5-april-fools-day-jokes-2010/ | Apr 02 10:02 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Top 10 List: An April Fool's Day Round Up .::. Size~: 87.07 KB | Apr 02 10:02 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Top 5 April Fools Day jokes 2010 - TECH.BLORGE.com .::. Size~: 42.33 KB | Apr 02 10:02 |
| sebsebseb | for some of us it kind of is yesterday still since... | Apr 02 10:02 |
| schestowitz | What's hawaii's timezone? | Apr 02 10:03 |
| sebsebseb | I don't mean time zones | Apr 02 10:03 |
| schestowitz | Is it east or west? | Apr 02 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | How stupid do you have to be to attack a large US Navy ship with a couple AK-47s and an RPG? | Apr 02 10:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Taliban stupid | Apr 02 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | secondly, can I have some of what they must have been smoking? | Apr 02 10:03 |
| schestowitz | Let's coin it | Apr 02 10:03 |
| schestowitz | Like "Tom Cruise crazy" | Apr 02 10:04 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: it's 10:52pm there unless bot in another channel on another network is wrong | Apr 02 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Nothing like going bear hunting with a pop gun :P | Apr 02 10:04 |
| schestowitz | This plugin is so nice | Apr 02 10:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.unixmen.com/news-today/921-two-awesome-plugins-for-gimp | Apr 02 10:06 |
| schestowitz | Extrapolation of some sort | Apr 02 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gT2pMkqdTPr-BexEsYe0cVuO8AKQ | Apr 02 10:07 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: AFP: Abortion doctor killer gets life; no parole for 50 yrs .::. Size~: 10.91 KB | Apr 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry | Apr 02 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | "Scott Roeder, 52, was pulled out of the courtroom screaming "you have the blood of babies on your hands" after the sentence was handed down." | Apr 02 10:07 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure he believes Jesus waits for him 'upstairs' after death | Apr 02 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | I'd shout back "Say hi to Bubba!" | Apr 02 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | "Uh huh, that's nice....bye bye now!" | Apr 02 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.siltala.net/2010/04/01/ubuntu-to-be-licensed-under-friendiler-version-of-the-gpl/ | Apr 02 10:09 |
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| DaemonFC | What's disgusting is that you can murder someone and get less time than for possession of drugs | Apr 02 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | if there were no aggravating circumstances, he would have only served 25 years of the life sentence | Apr 02 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | they're tying up prison capacity with nonviolent petty offenders and paroling the murderers | Apr 02 10:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.mailstation.de/wordpress/?p=12 http://gentoofan23.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/mood-excited/ | Apr 02 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: over 2 million in prison | Apr 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | Almost 1 in a hundred | Apr 02 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | The government needs a priority realignment | Apr 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | That's how bad you are doing | Apr 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | Up from 1 million to 2 million in just abotu 14 years | Apr 02 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | nonviolent offenders should be paroled way sooner than murderers | Apr 02 10:12 |
| schestowitz | And you also have FEMA prison camps | Apr 02 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | those are a myth | Apr 02 10:13 |
| schestowitz | I think they can accommodatealmost 10 million | Apr 02 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | a conservative teabagger myth | Apr 02 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | don't tell me you believe that? | Apr 02 10:13 |
| schestowitz | I saw a documentary | Apr 02 10:13 |
| schestowitz | Not 2 million? | Apr 02 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | I drove past one of these alleged locations in Goshen, Indiana | Apr 02 10:13 |
| schestowitz | And FEMA things are for national disasters | Apr 02 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | there is no FEMA death camp there | Apr 02 10:13 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 02 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | unless they're building it underground | Apr 02 10:14 |
| schestowitz | That's the alarmist idiots | Apr 02 10:14 |
| schestowitz | The camps do exist but not for the stated purposes | Apr 02 10:14 |
| schestowitz | Remember treatment of "Japs" in WW2 | Apr 02 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: There are no camps | Apr 02 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | they're a figment of the crazy conservative imagination | Apr 02 10:14 |
| schestowitz | Hold on | Apr 02 10:14 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 02 10:15 |
| schestowitz | I called them camps | Apr 02 10:15 |
| schestowitz | You call them soemthing else | Apr 02 10:15 |
| schestowitz | And they built more of them | Apr 02 10:15 |
| schestowitz | it's not malicious | Apr 02 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen those lousy stupid FEMA death camp conspiracy videos | Apr 02 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | they're totally unfounded | Apr 02 10:15 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, last night's Open Source Camp Jordan was awesome. | Apr 02 10:15 |
| schestowitz | http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4145 | Apr 02 10:15 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: FEMA Prison Camps .::. Size~: 31.84 KB | Apr 02 10:15 |
| schestowitz | This debunks the lies | Apr 02 10:15 |
| schestowitz | It's not what the likes of 'Jones' and other nuts say | Apr 02 10:16 |
| schestowitz | But the facilities do exist | Apr 02 10:16 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: very good | Apr 02 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's better than how the Japanese treated POWs | Apr 02 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | hint: starvation, unethical medical experiments, etc. | Apr 02 10:16 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I met a man named Kefah Issa, he's the founder of FreeSoft (http://freesoft.jo/), and he's a devoted advocate of Free Software in Jordan.. | Apr 02 10:17 |
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| schestowitz | See the comments, DaemonFC | Apr 02 10:17 |
| schestowitz | It's funny | Apr 02 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | at least we feed and clothe our prisoners | Apr 02 10:17 |
| schestowitz | Nice site, Omar87 | Apr 02 10:17 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, yeah. :) | Apr 02 10:18 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, once he took the mic. and mentioned the words "Free Software", I was like "YES!! FINALLY!!!" :D | Apr 02 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Japanese internment camps were certainly unconstitutional detention, but they were abused, starved, or experimented upon | Apr 02 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | it really amounts to a few years in jail for no reason, which is bad, but hardly crimes against humanity type stuff | Apr 02 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | and they sued the government and won | Apr 02 10:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.geeksmack.net/industry-news/1219-exclusive-microsoft-says-windows-will-cease-distribution | Apr 02 10:20 |
| schestowitz | At last | Apr 02 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | which is what typically happens when you're exonerated of a crime and sue | Apr 02 10:20 |
| schestowitz | Reparations | Apr 02 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Apr 02 10:21 |
| schestowitz | Israel should offer reparations for Gaza | Apr 02 10:21 |
| schestowitz | Not that they would, too arrogant | Apr 02 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | does it make up for the years they were detained? No. Does it help set things right? Yes. Would a totally corrupt government let you sue it and win? No. | Apr 02 10:22 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I tried to show you a video about black's reparations the other day | Apr 02 10:22 |
| schestowitz | I think you were away at the time | Apr 02 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say people blow the interment camps out of proportions | Apr 02 10:22 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Apr 02 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: No black person is entitled to reparations, IMO | Apr 02 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | former slaves are all dead many years ago of old age | Apr 02 10:23 |
| schestowitz | "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither, and will lose both."-Benjamin Franklin | Apr 02 10:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they are economically deprives because of ancestry | Apr 02 10:23 |
| schestowitz | *ved | Apr 02 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | reparations should only be paid to the victim | Apr 02 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | they are not | Apr 02 10:23 |
| schestowitz | Tell that to victims of Auschwitz, DaemonFC | Apr 02 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't argue that 150 years from now, Germany should pay their great great great great grandchildren | Apr 02 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | that would be ridiculous | Apr 02 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | the ones alive today have either not been wronged, or have the legal framework in place to sue over the odd isolated incident | Apr 02 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | many of them are complaining much louder than the situation merits | Apr 02 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | and they really are a damned nuisance | Apr 02 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | "If you see barbed wire around a train yard, consider the possibility of other explanations (like the train company doesn't need stuff being stolen)" | Apr 02 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | (or some asshole trespassing on the property, hurting themselves, and suing the company) | Apr 02 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | that's more likely | Apr 02 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | I happen to think the laws should be changed to remove standing to file a lawsuit if you were on the property with the intent of committing an illegal act | Apr 02 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | call me wild and crazy there I guess | Apr 02 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | actually, I also think the owner of a property should be held harmless for anything that happens to an intruder, including being shot or whacked over the head with something | Apr 02 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | another far out concept there | Apr 02 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | if homeowners had more rights than the intruder, there would be far fewer robberies and far less vandalism | Apr 02 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | Someone spray painting the side of your building? Hell with them. Take the shot. | Apr 02 10:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/content/linux-your-iphone | Apr 02 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | Someone stealing your car? Say hello to the baseball bat. | Apr 02 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 02 10:33 |
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| schestowitz | Chinese people built US rail too | Apr 02 10:33 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Apr 02 10:33 |
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| schestowitz | It's now the US which owes money to China | Apr 02 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Now the other way around | Apr 02 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't take long for the message to ring out loud and clear that if you steal or vandalize, you will be dealt with | Apr 02 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Is it 15 trillion in debt yet? How many months away from that? | Apr 02 10:34 |
| schestowitz | 'Bama cut NASA moon exploration off the hook | Apr 02 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | if it was up to me I would authorize defense of personal property by any and all means | Apr 02 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | including lethal force | Apr 02 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Cause you're a thug | Apr 02 10:35 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Apr 02 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Apr 02 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | I would never shoot someone without a damned good reason | Apr 02 10:35 |
| schestowitz | I thought you were much shorter than 6 4 | Apr 02 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | trying to steal my car? | Apr 02 10:35 |
| schestowitz | And you're filled with rage | Apr 02 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | you may get a few warning shots | Apr 02 10:35 |
| schestowitz | Dangerous combination | Apr 02 10:35 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yakov Smirnoff | Apr 02 10:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] Going through the list of gsoc 2010 projects to see if i can discover some new foss stuff! | Apr 02 10:36 | |
| DaemonFC | once said something like "I love America, you have nice things here, like warning shots" | Apr 02 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 02 10:36 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/04/debian-squeeze-linux---where-i.html | Apr 02 10:37 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Debian Squeeze Linux - Where Is It? - InternetNews:The Blog - Sean Michael Kerner .::. Size~: 103.2 KB | Apr 02 10:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/04/google-asks-are-you-done-sandwich | Apr 02 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | now, invading my home with intent to murder me might qualify for getting shot | Apr 02 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose that makes me unbalanced | Apr 02 10:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.clickonf5.org/google/google-empire-dont-be-evil/7023 | Apr 02 10:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: but you are | Apr 02 10:39 |
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| phIRCe-BNcom | http://www.clickonf5.org/google/google-empire-dont-be-evil/7023 | Apr 02 10:39 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | DaemonFC: but you are | Apr 02 10:39 |
| schestowitz | That's why you had seizures | Apr 02 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | how so? | Apr 02 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | any reasonable person, given a handgun and a big attacker coming at them with a knife would fire | Apr 02 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | it's the rational thing to do | Apr 02 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | not doing so would indicate a bizarre deviation from what a "normal" person would do | Apr 02 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | "Yes, please stab me 100 times and rape my corpse" | Apr 02 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | "I'm too much of a wuss to shoot you" | Apr 02 10:41 |
| schestowitz | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/564 | Apr 02 10:41 |
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| schestowitz | " | Apr 02 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Mark Shuttleworth wrote 13 hours ago: #564 | Apr 02 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Thank you to everybody who has participated in this discussion. | Apr 02 10:42 |
| schestowitz | The final decision on window controls for 10.04 LTS is as follows: | Apr 02 10:42 |
| schestowitz | - the window controls will remain on the left, however | Apr 02 10:42 |
| schestowitz | - the order will change to be (from left) close, minimize, maximise | Apr 02 10:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 02 10:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mark Shuttleworth insists on buttons on the left https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633/comments/564 | Apr 02 10:42 | |
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| schestowitz | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=what_the_us_fda_just_banned_caffeine&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Apr 02 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! | Apr 02 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: If the state cannot or will not rightly and promptly defend a person, it is the obligation of that person to defend themselves | Apr 02 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want my murder to be avenged, maybe, years from now | Apr 02 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, wel... | Apr 02 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | I want to shoot the asshole that's about to stab me 100 times and rape my corpse | Apr 02 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Let me find that Onion vid...... | Apr 02 10:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDWo6m5hbG4 | Apr 02 10:44 |
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| DaemonFC | Europe has this mental disease I call "Perpetrator's Rights" to the extent that criminals are allowed to operate with near impunity | Apr 02 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | and if the victim attempts self-defense, THEY are prosecuted for it | Apr 02 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's the most ass backwards thing I've ever heard of | Apr 02 10:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tgdaily.com/software-brief/49206-firefox-claims-40-of-euro-browser-share | Apr 02 10:46 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Firefox claims 40% of Euro browser share | TG Daily .::. Size~: 43.86 KB | Apr 02 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | really very offensive to me | Apr 02 10:46 |
| schestowitz | Look who's talking | Apr 02 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | disgusting that the government ever goes after the victim | Apr 02 10:46 |
| _goblin__ | I could respond....I won't | Apr 02 10:47 |
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| DaemonFC | If someone breaks into my home, I'll shoot them and work out the particulars later | Apr 02 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | and that's simply all there is to it | Apr 02 10:48 |
| _Goblin | you wouldnt work anything out.....I would be a matter for the state to work out what you were (if anything) guilty of. | Apr 02 10:49 |
| _Goblin | *it | Apr 02 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | all the damned liberals want to do is give the freeloading distant descendants of some slaves free money | Apr 02 10:49 |
| _Goblin | since when have members of the public been empowered to make their own decisions on their own criminality or lack of it? | Apr 02 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | and punish the homeowner for the act of stopping a criminal with reasonable force | Apr 02 10:50 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: The free money argument can be applied to any part of society | Apr 02 10:50 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: single mothers....the unemployed | Apr 02 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not that wild about SSI or Medicare either | Apr 02 10:50 |
| _Goblin | its called social responsibility. | Apr 02 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | but at least those people worked | Apr 02 10:50 |
| _Goblin | I think you will find many US born people, use the system yet have never worked. | Apr 02 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | SSI is really not possible to cheat | Apr 02 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | it goes based on how long you worked and how much Social Security Tax you paid | Apr 02 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | and nothing else really factors in | Apr 02 10:52 |
| _Goblin | but cheating is different.....if its an identifiable "cheat" then it would be a fraud and criminal issue | Apr 02 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's therefore not rife with fraud like most other government handout programs | Apr 02 10:52 |
| _Goblin | so then you are happy with SSI? | Apr 02 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin: Happier with that aspect of it than with most welfare programs | Apr 02 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | It still needs to be protected from government looting | Apr 02 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | to pay for unrelated expenses | Apr 02 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | Iraq War for example | Apr 02 10:53 |
| _Goblin | but then thats surely a fault of government then......not the residents under its system | Apr 02 10:53 |
| _Goblin | so your comment of "all the damned liberals want to do is give the freeloading distant descendants of some slaves free money" doesnt hold water because by your own admition the fault is the governments. | Apr 02 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin: All I'm saying is that things like Food Stamps, Medicaid, and other such things are rife with fraud | Apr 02 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | mostly due to inconsistent state government policies | Apr 02 10:54 |
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| _Goblin | then thats an enforcement issue and what you are asking for is more policing? | Apr 02 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | if all states were as thorough as Indiana, there really would be far less fraud | Apr 02 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | most freeloaders move to Michigan | Apr 02 10:54 |
| _Goblin | so you want more enforcement? | Apr 02 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's a well known fact that it's easier to get more welfare up there | Apr 02 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Apr 02 10:55 |
| _Goblin | so then why are you so anti-law when it comes to other matters...? | Apr 02 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | the Feds should not really leave the resource verification guidelines up to the states | Apr 02 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | they should make the guidelines Federal with mandatory uniform state compliance | Apr 02 10:55 |
| _Goblin | so by my understanding, you like law, you want more policing, but it has to be done the way you think is right? | Apr 02 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | they could and would do that if they really wanted to cut down fraud | Apr 02 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin: If the Feds are financing a program with their money, why are they opening the system up to the weakest link system of swiss cheese state laws? | Apr 02 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | that's just incredibly retarded | Apr 02 10:57 |
| _Goblin | but to be fair, youve never prepared a criminal casefile have you? | Apr 02 10:57 |
| _Goblin | can you even comprehend how much work is required to prove a case of fraud? | Apr 02 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | uniform law and application of the law is not an unreasonable thing to ask for really | Apr 02 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | even liberals would get behind that if it wouldn't cut off so many welfare fraudsters supporting them | Apr 02 10:58 |
| _Goblin | no its not, but it has to be requested on the basis of actually knowing what is involved. | Apr 02 10:58 |
| satipera | FC but that would mean changing the whole political system in the US | Apr 02 10:58 |
| _Goblin | if the US is anything like the UK then the fraud cases would require more officers to investigate, the net result being MORE cost to the taxpayer. | Apr 02 10:58 |
| satipera | To a non federal system | Apr 02 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | easy, the administration is still state level, but the rules are universal and Federally enforced | Apr 02 10:59 |
| _Goblin | then I expect you would moan about it costing you more money for frauds to be investigated. | Apr 02 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | it would be a much more efficient anti-fraud approach than the patchwork they have now | Apr 02 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | not at all | Apr 02 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | the states would use the same enforcement offices they have now | Apr 02 10:59 |
| _Goblin | it all comes down to priorities......the US has a lot more pressing matters than fraud. | Apr 02 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | just playing by Federal rules | Apr 02 10:59 |
| satipera | Are you arguing for an end to the federal system? | Apr 02 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | satipera: No, arguing for the Federal government to assume the task of laying down the rules | Apr 02 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | take the state rule making systems out of the equation entirely | Apr 02 11:00 |
| satipera | Well that is interfering with rights of the states that they presently enjoy | Apr 02 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | that way there's no point in moving to Michigan to defraud the system | Apr 02 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | it will be as hard as defrauding the system in any other state | Apr 02 11:01 |
| satipera | I imagine half the country would have a fit at this | Apr 02 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | satipera: Wrong | Apr 02 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | the Feds have the authority as they can withdraw their funding from non-compliant states | Apr 02 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | the Feds finance all of food stamps and 2/3rds of Medicaid | Apr 02 11:01 |
| satipera | You are saying that the states are not abiding by the current law | Apr 02 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | the Governor of Indiana is wasting our Federal Medicate funding by creating an "I can't believe it's not insurance" plan for the poor | Apr 02 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 02 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | satipera: No, I'm saying the states are abiding by whatever law that state has made for signing up for a Federal welfare plan | Apr 02 11:03 |
| satipera | I find it hard to believe that the states are allowed to do something that they are not entitled to do | Apr 02 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | so cheaters just move to the states with the least restrictive policies in place | Apr 02 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's crazy, it never should have been allowed | Apr 02 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | and the Federal government should whip them into line or remove all Federal funding for that program | Apr 02 11:04 |
| satipera | Well you can't have both a federal system and a system of only central control | Apr 02 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | the Federal government has broad legal supremacy over the states | Apr 02 11:05 |
| _Goblin | daemonfc: Have you ever worked for the government? | Apr 02 11:05 |
| satipera | Surely it is a matter of law | Apr 02 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | including threatening to take away Federal funding for things | Apr 02 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | they used that to get the drinking age up to 21 everywhere | Apr 02 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | they threatened to take away Federal highway funds | Apr 02 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | and forced the states to change their laws | Apr 02 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | that was way more questionable than what I'm suggesting | Apr 02 11:06 |
| _Goblin | daemonfc: Have you ever worked in law enforcement? | Apr 02 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | What I'm suggesting is the Federal government laying down Federal rules for Federally funded systems | Apr 02 11:06 |
| satipera | If there is a legal basis for change and the will then it will happen, else not | Apr 02 11:06 |
| _Goblin | got to go.......bbl | Apr 02 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | there's more precedents than this would need | Apr 02 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise "Obamacare" wouldn't be mandatory | Apr 02 11:07 |
| satipera | I imagine washington only stands on the states toes if it has to, or picks it battles | Apr 02 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | satipera: It's highly unlikely that states will invalidate it, or succeed in repealing it through state laws giving state residents the ability to opt-out | Apr 02 11:08 |
| satipera | I heard the states described as a multitude of little kingdoms | Apr 02 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | the Constitution gives the Federal government the authority to do this | Apr 02 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | and Federal laws that don't violate the US Constitution are superior to any conflicting state laws | Apr 02 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | satipera: It's more like semi-autonomous admnistrative regions :) | Apr 02 11:10 |
| satipera | What worries me are the politicians who use the odd case of proved abuse of the system as an excuse to bring in changes they would want to anyway even if there was no abuse | Apr 02 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | there's almost no reason to burden an applicant of food stamps | Apr 02 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | the state pays for none of that | Apr 02 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | but they almost always make Medicaid hard to get | Apr 02 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | so you see more food stamp fraud than Medicaid fraud | Apr 02 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | just because the states have to pay for some of that, so they guard it more havily | Apr 02 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | *heavily | Apr 02 11:12 |
| satipera | I followed an american politics blog for a while and was amazed at how much of a maze it is | Apr 02 11:12 |
| satipera | It seems hard to change anything | Apr 02 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | satipera: It's because there are several parts of the US Constitution that are ambiguous and up to the interpretation of the court system case by case | Apr 02 11:13 |
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| satipera | There is huge political inertia in the US | Apr 02 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | for example, Congress has the authority to "regulate commerce between the several states" has turned into "The government can force you to buy health insurance" | Apr 02 11:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: except thats not true | Apr 02 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | the government can even regulate intrastate commerce now | Apr 02 11:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | remember, regulate merely means to make regular. | Apr 02 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | due to broad interpretation of that clause | Apr 02 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | any time a penny changes hands, the government can now step in and invoke the commerce clause | Apr 02 11:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | which isnt true | Apr 02 11:15 |
| satipera | regulate normally means legislate for | Apr 02 11:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | satipera: wrong. | Apr 02 11:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | Regulate means to make regular. | Apr 02 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | also, the Feds cite the "Necessary and Proper" Clause to the point of abuse | Apr 02 11:15 |
| satipera | that is pedantic | Apr 02 11:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | its what our founding fathers said. | Apr 02 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | what laws are "Necessary and Proper" to the functioning of the USA? | Apr 02 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | debatable | Apr 02 11:15 |
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| DaemonFC | that's why they abuse it | Apr 02 11:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | DaemonFC: very few outside of the constitution | Apr 02 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | the courts almost never roll back Federal abuse of the states | Apr 02 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | so by precedent, they have authority to do almost anything | Apr 02 11:16 |
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| satipera | Do you think the system is becoming less federal and more centralised | Apr 02 11:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | Yes. The Republicans are, imo, not Republicans at all | Apr 02 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's been becoming more Federalized every year since Reconstruction | Apr 02 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | and it still is | Apr 02 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | the health care bill was the last nail in the coffin of states rights | Apr 02 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | is it a good thing? it might be | Apr 02 11:18 |
| satipera | When you say more federalised I interpret that as the states becoming stronger | Apr 02 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | but it allows a dangerous precedent to proceed and grow larger | Apr 02 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | satipera: a Confederate system is where the states would have more power | Apr 02 11:18 |
| satipera | less federal is more cetralised | Apr 02 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | the Confederate States of America were actually a federal system | Apr 02 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | as confusing as that may be | Apr 02 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | the US did have a Confederate government under the original Constitution | Apr 02 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | the Articles of Confederation | Apr 02 11:19 |
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| DaemonFC | it proved to be a toothless central government that couldn't make the states do anything | Apr 02 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | so it was scrapped | Apr 02 11:20 |
| satipera | Federal in the US seems to be used as a synonym for central control | Apr 02 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Apr 02 11:20 |
| satipera | but it is the opposite really | Apr 02 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | the Articles of Confederation essentially made every state a sovereign nation within a loose alliance | Apr 02 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | so for example, the central government could declare war, but it had to ASK each state to send troops and money | Apr 02 11:21 |
| satipera | federal is the definition of distributed political power | Apr 02 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | there was no central US military | Apr 02 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | just state militias | Apr 02 11:22 |
| satipera | I see | Apr 02 11:22 |
| satipera | Personally I am a great believer in devolving political power from the centre | Apr 02 11:22 |
| satipera | so federalism appeals to me | Apr 02 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | the entire government broke down and became unworkable | Apr 02 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing that kept that government going was the unification of the states as opposed to the British | Apr 02 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | they all contributed heavily to the cause of driving the British out | Apr 02 11:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Drat. I missed the Digital Economy Bill Flashmob at Manchester... http://debflashmobmanchester.eventbrite.com/ | Apr 02 11:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | if not for that, it would have not lasted as long as it did | Apr 02 11:23 |
| satipera | I honestly wonder if the US political system is going to be too slow to adapt to rapid change | Apr 02 11:24 |
| satipera | because of its nature | Apr 02 11:24 |
| satipera | its structure | Apr 02 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | The structure of the government is to be slow and allow plenty of time for debate | Apr 02 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, that's what the filibuster in the Senate was meant to do | Apr 02 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | but it has come to be abused as a blocking tool for whatever is the current minority party | Apr 02 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | it has saved us from instances where a President was trying to ram something through | Apr 02 11:26 |
| satipera | the constitution I read once was structured not to give the electorate too much power :) | Apr 02 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | like Bush trying to install his unqualified personal lawyer to the Supreme Court | Apr 02 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | that was defeated by a filibuster | Apr 02 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | satipera: You also have ro read the amendments | Apr 02 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | they nullify some of the original Constitution | Apr 02 11:27 |
| satipera | I am sure there is a huge amount I am not familliar with | Apr 02 11:27 |
| DaemonFC | for example, the US Senate used to be elected by state legislatures | Apr 02 11:27 |
| DaemonFC | not popular vote | Apr 02 11:27 |
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| DaemonFC | and the allocation of Presidential electors used to be handled differently | Apr 02 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | which led to some interesting possibilities | Apr 02 11:28 |
| satipera | Nice chatting Daemon FC but I will have to make a lazy late start to my day bfn | Apr 02 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | bye bye | Apr 02 11:29 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] A+F out at Good Friday service. Teens filling the house with perfume chemical warfare. *choke* *gasp* | Apr 02 11:34 | |
| DaemonFC | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/04/bimbo-bakeries-fined-230000-for-worker-safety-violations-.html | Apr 02 11:36 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Apr 02 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | Did a worker fall into the Chocolate Cock assembly line? | Apr 02 11:36 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @charlesschulz: @european commission: even Alex Brown dropped the ball on ooxml. Stop taking calls from the BSA! | Apr 02 11:46 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hT0Z9u1IxCwNlxwmmSb9D55Uw--AD9EPM5700 | Apr 02 11:48 |
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| DaemonFC | "INDIANAPOLIS ? A convicted rapist who asked the Indiana Court of Appeals to reduce his sentence instead got it extended by 25 years." | Apr 02 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | lulz | Apr 02 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | pwned | Apr 02 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | Singapore almost tops | Apr 02 11:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] I thought this radio programme Meet David Sedaris was very funny have a listen. http://is.gd/bb5bP | Apr 02 11:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] It will be available in a few hours | Apr 02 11:58 | |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, seen it, posted here | Apr 02 12:41 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh? | Apr 02 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | there was something about how they would only do left on the two Canonical themes | Apr 02 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | and leave the others on right | Apr 02 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | ,but now I guess it's all left, at least in the correct button order though | Apr 02 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: anyway all those Ubuntu fans being upset by this | Apr 02 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | ,but even so it seems Mark doesn't really care that much | Apr 02 12:45 |
| oiaohm_ | sebsebseb: we should not be supprised. | Apr 02 12:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Ubuntu has lost their way. | Apr 02 12:54 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm_: indeed | Apr 02 12:54 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm_: well the 10.04 release should be rather interesting | Apr 02 12:54 |
| sebsebseb | I mean the complaints from people and such | Apr 02 12:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Basic idea of FOSS is to have clear and open channels with your users. | Apr 02 12:55 |
| oiaohm_ | At least when FOSS world was yelling at KDE 4.0 you could at least find a plan to correct the problems users were having. | Apr 02 12:56 |
| oiaohm_ | I have not see a single clean plan to correct Ubuntu's problems. | Apr 02 12:56 |
| oiaohm_ | Really I should be happy Ubuntu is screwing up so much. It will give tones of living space to android and meego instead of it. | Apr 02 12:57 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Off to church. Good Friday prayers . | Apr 02 12:58 | |
| oiaohm_ | Neither of meego and android drink from the mono stupid tree. | Apr 02 12:58 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm_: What's that? | Apr 02 12:58 |
| oiaohm_ | What section of what I just said sebsebseb | Apr 02 12:59 |
| sebsebseb | all of it? | Apr 02 13:00 |
| sebsebseb | something about meego, android, and mono | Apr 02 13:00 |
| oiaohm_ | meego is from nokia and intel they will not include mono parts by default. android from google is also equally as sane. | Apr 02 13:01 |
| oiaohm_ | Basically x novel and x ms staff don't have a chance to mess with them. | Apr 02 13:02 |
| oiaohm_ | ubuntu started going insane as more and more mono bosters got into it. | Apr 02 13:04 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes some of the ways I put things is strange. sebsebseb | Apr 02 13:05 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm_: Fspot and Tomboy are Gnome not Ubuntu | Apr 02 13:08 |
| sebsebseb | What Canonical/Ubuntu apps are Mono? | Apr 02 13:08 |
| Omar87 | _goblin__, hey! | Apr 02 13:14 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DISREGARD CHRIST. ACQUIRE ALTAR BOYS. http://i.imgur.com/nxn5l.jpg | Apr 02 13:29 | |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: fspot, tomboy, gbrainy, more | Apr 02 13:32 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RMS and Tim Berners-Lee: Separated at Birth? @timberners_lee refuses to use MS Word http://bit.ly/cXpiux HT @glynmoody | Apr 02 13:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] My rant for the day....why can't you take the pin number feature off sky tv.....Its very annoying.... | Apr 02 13:49 | |
| schestowitz | Slavery in Florida: http://www.archive.org/details/freespeechtv_sourcecode2_01 | Apr 02 13:55 |
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| oiaohm_ | sebsebseb: < | Apr 02 13:58 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm_: yes? | Apr 02 13:59 |
| oiaohm_ | sebsebseb: look closer. | Apr 02 13:59 |
| sebsebseb | I don't understand | Apr 02 13:59 |
| oiaohm_ | Fspot idea started at ubuntu and was part pushed into gnome by ubuntu. | Apr 02 13:59 |
| sebsebseb | what you mean by < | Apr 02 13:59 |
| oiaohm_ | Typo was < | Apr 02 13:59 |
| sebsebseb | ok before < were you just talking to me I mean very much so before it | Apr 02 14:00 |
| sebsebseb | I had a reason to turn my computer off, and then had it off for a little while, before back here | Apr 02 14:00 |
| oiaohm_ | Also tomboy is a optional part of gnome. | Apr 02 14:00 |
| oiaohm_ | You don't have to ship it. | Apr 02 14:00 |
| sebsebseb | who started Tomboy? | Apr 02 14:01 |
| oiaohm_ | Novell developers. | Apr 02 14:01 |
| sebsebseb | Tomboy I have no use for it | Apr 02 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | Windows users are used to just well Notepad and theres Gedit yeah | Apr 02 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm_: oh yeah Gnome are going to have a Tomboy web service | Apr 02 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | well maybe it's there already | Apr 02 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | it was mentioned in the 2.6.30 release notes | Apr 02 14:03 |
| oiaohm_ | Tomboy web service is writen in python of all things. | Apr 02 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm_: by the way see my pm as well :) | Apr 02 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | well Ubuntu like Python as well | Apr 02 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | also Vinagre should have had something for secure SSH remote connecting years ago really | Apr 02 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | VNC over SSH | Apr 02 14:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/336 | Apr 02 14:24 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Mark Shuttleworth » Blog Archive » Shooting for the Perfect 10.10 with Maverick Meerkat .::. Size~: 26.45 KB | Apr 02 14:24 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: but was tomboy developed by sandy when he was already working for novl? | Apr 02 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah yeah 10.10 | Apr 02 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Perfect 10? | Apr 02 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Still linking to Microsoft DCs? | Apr 02 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: however they do this left button stuff in 10.04 without a good reason | Apr 02 14:25 |
| schestowitz | I hope they'll sort it out | Apr 02 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | saying that they will put some stuff on the right in 10.10 right | Apr 02 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Apr 02 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | they could have done the button change, when they have the stuff on right. people really need six months to get used to something first, of course not | Apr 02 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | well I am not one that cares much about the buttons since | Apr 02 14:26 |
| sebsebseb | any issues with that with themes that aren't default I can move to right. for example for my brothers. and when I update Ubuntu i'll use default theme. that's how it will go on other computer, unless I end up replacing it with another distro sooner than I thought I might :D | Apr 02 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | let's give Ubuntu another chance wow aren't I nice | Apr 02 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | yes really they have messed up the LTS, what business features are in it? | Apr 02 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | what new business features are in it? nothing | Apr 02 14:27 |
| schestowitz | the metacity changes don't go upstream | Apr 02 14:27 |
| schestowitz | or to gnome | Apr 02 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | who should an LTS be targeted at? Yep business's that want to use it on the desktop | Apr 02 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: metactiy changes? | Apr 02 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | you mean Canoncials Gnome edits me menu and such? | Apr 02 14:28 |
| oiaohm_ | sebsebseb: tomboy was one of the items created a Novell to try to prove that mono was useful for Linux development. | Apr 02 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm_: well useful apps can be made in loads of differnet proggramming langauges, with of course some of them not being that Linux distro friendly | Apr 02 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | some/many , but I mean like C# | Apr 02 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | Mono | Apr 02 14:32 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: any link on that? | Apr 02 14:56 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: it's a new argument to me. I'd need to verify. | Apr 02 14:57 |
| oiaohm_ | Part personal feelings. It seams strange that novell went out of their way to create .net project for any other reasons. | Apr 02 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Personal feeling is not capable of turning it into fact | Apr 02 14:59 |
| schestowitz | I also suspect that Armstrong was hired after he had created tomboy | Apr 02 14:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @lxoliva OSI and #FSF form Software Freedom Troopers "OSI suggested Free Open Libre Source Sect, but SoFTroo beat FOLSS" | Apr 02 14:59 | |
| schestowitz | I don't know what makes me thinks this, maybe something I read years ago | Apr 02 14:59 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: what about Banshee? | Apr 02 15:00 |
| schestowitz | I think they hired Aaron after he developers it | Apr 02 15:00 |
| schestowitz | They also hired Paul, who started working at Novell yesterday | Apr 02 15:00 |
| schestowitz | He helps with tomboy | Apr 02 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uhmm whatever your on about there, you sure it wasn't an Aprils fool? :D | Apr 02 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Also why would someone start such a job, on a Thursday and the day before Good Friday (Why is it called that anyway? It's like saying it's a good thing that Jesus died on the cross. Well not everyone belives in Jesus of course as well.) | Apr 02 15:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @osamak Oh no, the worst thing about Chrome yet: it'll include a built-in Adobe Flash. http://ur1.ca/siqv #fs #fsf #gnu | Apr 02 15:02 | |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Chromium Blog: Bringing improved support for Adobe Flash Player to Google Chrome .::. Size~: 212.27 KB | Apr 02 15:02 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: that's what he said | Apr 02 15:03 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-sets-the-tone-with-money/ | Apr 02 15:03 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Novell Hires More Mono People (Despite Sacking SUSE Developers) and Microsoft Buys an OSBC Spot/Seat | Techrights .::. Size~: 130 KB | Apr 02 15:03 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/prcutler/status/10722848787 | Apr 02 15:04 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Twitter / Paul Cutler: Wrapping up my last day at ... .::. Size~: 10.25 KB | Apr 02 15:04 |
| schestowitz | "Wrapping up my last day at Webroot today (packing boxes!) and then off until 4/1 when I start at Novell!" | Apr 02 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: right ok | Apr 02 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | why would someone go work for a company that going out of buisness? | Apr 02 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we should start thinking of migrating between domains soon | Apr 02 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | not much job security there | Apr 02 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Maybe secure for .NET | Apr 02 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Not for OpenSUSE | Apr 02 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: changing the domain you mean and IRC channel, if Novell goes out of business? Also if that happens what will it be called instead? | Apr 02 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | if that happens more like when it happens | Apr 02 15:05 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: IRC stays | Apr 02 15:05 |
| schestowitz | It's the "boycott novell" push | Apr 02 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Part of the same initiative we have, still the main one | Apr 02 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well this channel could do an automatic referal to the new channel I guess | Apr 02 15:05 |
| schestowitz | No need | Apr 02 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | just like boycottnovell.com could do a redirect to some new domain | Apr 02 15:06 |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | Apr 02 15:06 |
| schestowitz | EVen if that was possible | Apr 02 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Omar87 | Apr 02 15:06 |
| schestowitz | 'Sup? | Apr 02 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | if it happens more like when it happens, above, yeah, since Novell won't last for ever | Apr 02 15:06 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, nothin. :) | Apr 02 15:06 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, thinking of writing an article about last night's event. | Apr 02 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | Novell I guess aren't really that relivant anymore, but I don't know that much about them | Apr 02 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | I mean if Novell geos out of business so what? Evolution will still live on since that's open source | Apr 02 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | oh and like it or not Mono stuff will live on for a while at least, without Novell I expect | Apr 02 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | if that was to happen | Apr 02 15:07 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100330/0206598781.shtml | Apr 02 15:07 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Columnist Claims Anonymity Is Bad For Our Country | Techdirt .::. Size~: 83.36 KB | Apr 02 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | Mono is open source after all | Apr 02 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Evolution is not GPL, AFAIK | Apr 02 15:08 |
| schestowitz | I could be wrong, so let me check | Apr 02 15:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/features/evolution.html | Apr 02 15:08 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Novell Evolution: E-mail and Calendaring .::. Size~: 44.69 KB | Apr 02 15:08 |
| sebsebseb | as for Suse well that will be good if it does | Apr 02 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Mixed | Apr 02 15:09 |
| schestowitz | "Evolution: GNU General Public License, Anjal: GNU Lesser General Public License v2 or v3" | Apr 02 15:09 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_%28software%29 | Apr 02 15:09 |
| sebsebseb | well according oiaohm_ distro deaths are a good thing | Apr 02 15:09 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Evolution (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 68.59 KB | Apr 02 15:09 |
| sebsebseb | obviosuly he means popular distros | Apr 02 15:09 |
| sebsebseb | dies not does above | Apr 02 15:10 |
| schestowitz | "Anjal[2] is a new user interface which is being built on top of Evolution, targeted for mobile and small-screen devices. It uses Webkit for rendering messages." | Apr 02 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Novell still distances self from GPL | Apr 02 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Like they did in MonoDevelop | Apr 02 15:10 |
| schestowitz | >LGPL | Apr 02 15:10 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm_: what would be interesting though is this, if loads of people think Ubuntu has messed up, and OpenSuse dies, at the same time | Apr 02 15:10 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm_: OpenSuse has quite a lot of users as far as I know, what distros would they go to instead? | Apr 02 15:10 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE cant' sue | Apr 02 15:11 |
| schestowitz | *die | Apr 02 15:11 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: no? | Apr 02 15:11 |
| schestowitz | YaST can | Apr 02 15:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Novell is slowly converting all there .net code it MIT. | Apr 02 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Like CNR | Apr 02 15:11 |
| schestowitz | If nobody uses it | Apr 02 15:11 |
| oiaohm_ | MIT provides no patent protection. | Apr 02 15:11 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: yeah | Apr 02 15:11 |
| sebsebseb | YasT is Suse's thing like Synaptic? | Apr 02 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Banshee and stuff | Apr 02 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Sort of | Apr 02 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Not just package management | Apr 02 15:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Yast is more like puppet with a graphical frount end. | Apr 02 15:12 |
| schestowitz | There's a different component for pack man | Apr 02 15:12 |
| schestowitz | And Arch uses opensuse's pack. man. | Apr 02 15:12 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Apr 02 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | well people say how great Arch's Pacman is | Apr 02 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | Packman | Apr 02 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Should we diversify channels for topic? | Apr 02 15:13 |
| schestowitz | I can register #techrights | Apr 02 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I don't like the sound of that name | Apr 02 15:14 |
| oiaohm_ | Lot of .net projects before Novell aquired their leads were GPL or LGPL | Apr 02 15:14 |
| oiaohm_ | After aquirement systemmattically they were converted. | Apr 02 15:14 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: explain why | Apr 02 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: just don't maybe I like boycott when it comes to your channel, that's probably it | Apr 02 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: the boycott something channel | Apr 02 15:14 |
| schestowitz | OK | Apr 02 15:15 |
| schestowitz | So we'll stick with this one for now | Apr 02 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well for now yeah | Apr 02 15:15 |
| schestowitz | It would also lead to less fragmentation and confusion | Apr 02 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | Novell aren't dead yet | Apr 02 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | boycottmono ? | Apr 02 15:15 |
| schestowitz | We already run 2 channels | Apr 02 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | except you don't buy Mono | Apr 02 15:15 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: they won't due | Apr 02 15:15 |
| schestowitz | *die | Apr 02 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Just disassembled | Apr 02 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Like Sun | Apr 02 15:15 |
| oiaohm_ | Really I see no problem with distributions big or small dieing. Its part of the natural open source world. sebsebseb | Apr 02 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Should be the same with big banks | Apr 02 15:16 |
| schestowitz | But it ain't | Apr 02 15:16 |
| oiaohm_ | Just like death in the real world is part of the natual order. | Apr 02 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Different | Apr 02 15:16 |
| oiaohm_ | Its not really. | Apr 02 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Corporations and distros are not biological organisms | Apr 02 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | But.... | Apr 02 15:16 |
| schestowitz | Like matter in one's body they get reused | Apr 02 15:17 |
| schestowitz | People and code moves about | Apr 02 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: indeed nasty corporattions can be around for over 100 years | Apr 02 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Like when bodies inevitably get decomposed. The cycle of life | Apr 02 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Life never ended in earth for over a billion years | Apr 02 15:17 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep and without death freeing up material new live on earth would not happen, | Apr 02 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | software will continue to live on, as long as it's still relivent | Apr 02 15:17 |
| oiaohm_ | Death of distributions does the same thing. | Apr 02 15:17 |
| schestowitz | It just moves between nerve systems | Apr 02 15:17 |
| oiaohm_ | Developer time is the life blood of open source. | Apr 02 15:18 |
| oiaohm_ | There is only so much of that. | Apr 02 15:18 |
| oiaohm_ | Death of distributions normally end up with that time better focused. | Apr 02 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Free software is a phenomenon, not a company | Apr 02 15:18 |
| schestowitz | Developers code and share | Apr 02 15:18 |
| schestowitz | You can't 'fight' that | Apr 02 15:18 |
| oiaohm_ | Distrobutions group developers. | Apr 02 15:19 |
| schestowitz | The question is, under what temrs | Apr 02 15:19 |
| schestowitz | BSD or GPL | Apr 02 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | what about Apache? | Apr 02 15:19 |
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| schestowitz | GPL is more scary to Adobe, Microsoft, even IBM | Apr 02 15:19 |
| oiaohm_ | Ie distributions are the sub enitentys of the FOSS earth. | Apr 02 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | Apache is an open source lisesne isn't it? | Apr 02 15:19 |
| oiaohm_ | IBM really does not fear GPL. | Apr 02 15:19 |
| oiaohm_ | IBM loves GPL. | Apr 02 15:19 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 02 15:19 |
| schestowitz | EPL | Apr 02 15:19 |
| schestowitz | IBM tolerates GPL | Apr 02 15:20 |
| schestowitz | There's also EUPL | Apr 02 15:20 |
| schestowitz | WHich stinks really | Apr 02 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | good and bad software can be used by billions sometimes billions of people | Apr 02 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Simon Phipps wants fewer licences | Apr 02 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | uh | Apr 02 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | millions sometimes billions | Apr 02 15:20 |
| schestowitz | I think he likes GPL sufficiently | Apr 02 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | and | Apr 02 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | yeah that's something | Apr 02 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | we may die, but | Apr 02 15:20 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: TCP/IP stack in XP is BSD code | Apr 02 15:21 |
| oiaohm_ | Depends what for schestowitz | Apr 02 15:21 |
| schestowitz | So over a billion users maybe | Apr 02 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | we will have played some sort of role in history as well | Apr 02 15:21 |
| oiaohm_ | There is a lot of techs from IBM where the only licence IBM allows you to use for it is GPL. | Apr 02 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Google uses FOSS in the servers | Apr 02 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: one day people might be studying what computing was like in the 90's and well now | Apr 02 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and you might even get mentioned :D | Apr 02 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Linux 2.4 and 2.6 each time you do a google searcg | Apr 02 15:21 |
| oiaohm_ | Without paying a massive big patent licence. schestowitz | Apr 02 15:21 |
| oiaohm_ | IBM loves GPL for being a wedge to use against other software companies. | Apr 02 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | well there was this company called Novell | Apr 02 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | class | Apr 02 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | in the 1990's they | Apr 02 15:22 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: no, IBM loves patents | Apr 02 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | had their Netware product which many organisatioans used | Apr 02 15:22 |
| schestowitz | They make over a billion per year from them, inc. sw pats | Apr 02 15:22 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: that's Noorda's Novell | Apr 02 15:22 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes but where is the GPL wedge useful. | Apr 02 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Today's Novell is a bunch of charlatans from IBM and some who come from Microsoft | Apr 02 15:23 |
| oiaohm_ | If you competitor can not pay for patent licence you get to use their code for nothing. | Apr 02 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | then as years went by they thought it would be a good idea to get into Linux, which people who if I remember correctly founded the company thought as well, they later started their own company which later became SCO, we will have to study that in another lesson students. | Apr 02 15:23 |
| oiaohm_ | For IBM Patents combind with GPL is a great combination. | Apr 02 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | damn at my typing wrong stuff thing | Apr 02 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | oh I didn't nevermind | Apr 02 15:23 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: OIN and LF | Apr 02 15:23 |
| schestowitz | LF is tied to OIN | Apr 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | By the patent | Apr 02 15:24 |
| sebsebseb | then they made a deal with Micrsooft later on as well over Linux patents | Apr 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Same framework, broader membership | Apr 02 15:24 |
| sebsebseb | and started a project called Mono | Apr 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | OIN=Rosenthal (IBM) | Apr 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: Ximian=Mono | Apr 02 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Two Microsoft fans, Miguel and Friedman | Apr 02 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Friedman quit Novell | Apr 02 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Good timing, too | Apr 02 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Just before the big.. same with Zonker | Apr 02 15:25 |
| schestowitz | He still writes for Ars | Apr 02 15:25 |
| sebsebseb | a guy called Roy schestowitz got really annoyed about this, and so he dediced to start his Boycottnovell blog and website, which helped destroy Novell a bit here and there, and as a result computing started to become much better, because a few years later Micrsooft collapased as a software company as well. As a result we now have Roy schestowitz as one of the famous tech heros from the early 21st century | Apr 02 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: you started boycottnovell since the patents deal didn't you? | Apr 02 15:27 |
| sebsebseb | or did he you before that? | Apr 02 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Heh. :-) | Apr 02 15:28 |
| schestowitz | I'm humbled | Apr 02 15:28 |
| schestowitz | But I did less controversial stuff before BN | Apr 02 15:28 |
| oiaohm_ | Patent deal by MS will expire. It did not take much reading to work out there was big problems. | Apr 02 15:28 |
| oiaohm_ | Lot of things Novell is doing is more legally worring. | Apr 02 15:28 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I was going to put in this, and every year, as a result to celebrate his acheivements we put flowers on his grave. | Apr 02 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Either way, BN must have cost Novell millions in business | Apr 02 15:28 |
| oiaohm_ | Not really. | Apr 02 15:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Lot of businesses are not idiots. | Apr 02 15:29 |
| schestowitz | The word that passes from mouth to ear about why to avoid Novell led to poorer sales (techs chooses Red Hat for their company) | Apr 02 15:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Even before the MS deal Novell was in trouble. | Apr 02 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, but I reckon their tech people had sentiment play a role | Apr 02 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Novell's image in the GNU/Linux was made poorer | Apr 02 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat's wasn't tarnished | Apr 02 15:30 |
| schestowitz | And Red Hat was making Microsoft angry | Apr 02 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Novell was making Mono for Microsoft | Apr 02 15:30 |
| oiaohm_ | Redhat is still angry. | Apr 02 15:30 |
| oiaohm_ | Redhat has done quite a few patent deals for everyone over time. | Apr 02 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Some RHT employees hate Ubuntu | Apr 02 15:30 |
| sebsebseb | oh whatever let's do the pointless correcting again, blog and IRC channel, above | Apr 02 15:30 |
| schestowitz | That's the impression I get | Apr 02 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Fedora at least | Apr 02 15:31 |
| oiaohm_ | Redhat will not pay for patents some company will not list. | Apr 02 15:31 |
| schestowitz | FPL stepped stepping down | Apr 02 15:31 |
| oiaohm_ | Lot of people end up in Fedora because Ubuntu drives them up wall with bugs. | Apr 02 15:31 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: if you want another channel open, we can do that | Apr 02 15:31 |
| sebsebseb | (wel there was a point) | Apr 02 15:31 |
| schestowitz | We decided to do the -social cause balzac suggeted it | Apr 02 15:31 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well when novell dies | Apr 02 15:32 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: a bit silly to still have this channel | Apr 02 15:32 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: Fedora is too Red Hatty | Apr 02 15:32 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat already dominates servers | Apr 02 15:32 |
| sebsebseb | instead make a new channel with some other name I guess | Apr 02 15:32 |
| schestowitz | The margins in GNU/Linux are not high, but usage is high | Apr 02 15:32 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: boycottmicrosoft maybe next time round :d | Apr 02 15:32 |
| schestowitz | We can do that | Apr 02 15:32 |
| schestowitz | It's useful to have channels named after site's projects | Apr 02 15:33 |
| schestowitz | One of which is "boycott Novell" | Apr 02 15:33 |
| schestowitz | See the new front page, it reflects on that | Apr 02 15:33 |
| oiaohm_ | schestowitz: anyideas why redhat dominate servers and novell does not. | Apr 02 15:33 |
| schestowitz | But I would not use the word "boycott" | Apr 02 15:33 |
| schestowitz | I never chose this word | Apr 02 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Apr 02 15:33 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: brand name? | Apr 02 15:34 |
| oiaohm_ | Redhat does truly give good paid support. | Apr 02 15:34 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: Shane's choice | Apr 02 15:34 |
| oiaohm_ | I have had to use both schestowitz | Apr 02 15:34 |
| sebsebseb | #avoidemicrosoft | Apr 02 15:34 |
| schestowitz | techright was tessier's idea | Apr 02 15:34 |
| sebsebseb | just a suggestion | Apr 02 15:34 |
| sebsebseb | let's be honest with our selves | Apr 02 15:34 |
| schestowitz | "microsoft versus society" is better | Apr 02 15:34 |
| sebsebseb | most of us can't boycott Microsoft 100% even if we would like to | Apr 02 15:34 |
| oiaohm_ | Problem is there are not that many good companies providing high level functional paid support for Linux | Apr 02 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Oracle, no? | Apr 02 15:35 |
| oiaohm_ | Ie support personal backed up with a good programming team. | Apr 02 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | plus if you want to be really exact, you go on a website that's using Windows Server, and yep you're using them | Apr 02 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Rebranded rhel | Apr 02 15:35 |
| oiaohm_ | Oracle needs better kernel developers. | Apr 02 15:35 |
| oiaohm_ | And some other core lib and complier part developers as well. | Apr 02 15:35 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: likely via Akamai (Linux) if it's Microsoft | Apr 02 15:35 |
| oiaohm_ | Oracle is getting their. | Apr 02 15:36 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Microsoftversessocity that sounds ok yeah | Apr 02 15:36 |
| oiaohm_ | Maybe in 3 to 4 years time it will be a toss up schestowitz | Apr 02 15:36 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: as in like | Apr 02 15:36 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: just off the cuff | Apr 02 15:36 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: they go agaisnt society? | Apr 02 15:36 |
| schestowitz | I prefer not to be seen as againat Microsoft | Apr 02 15:36 |
| schestowitz | There's the "Microsoft hater" label | Apr 02 15:36 |
| schestowitz | And there's more to it than MSFT | Apr 02 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Apple too | Apr 02 15:36 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, they do | Apr 02 15:36 |
| oiaohm_ | itfreedom? | Apr 02 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah Apple and maybe now even Oracle to some extent | Apr 02 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Against markets, users' freedom, local law, tax rules | Apr 02 15:37 |
| oiaohm_ | Freedom is not exactly right either. | Apr 02 15:37 |
| schestowitz | MariaDB is forgotten almost | Apr 02 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Freedom is a broad thing | Apr 02 15:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh christ | Apr 02 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Like "market freedom" | Apr 02 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: right don't use these names, but you can see what I am getting at I guess, #closedsourceisbad #propritarysoftwareisbad | Apr 02 15:37 |
| schestowitz | I don't like the word freedom cause it was hijacked | Apr 02 15:37 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Execise physiologist Dr James Walter trying to get Pepsi grant to get kids skinny http://pep.si/cOry75 | Apr 02 15:38 | |
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| schestowitz | "Free market" | Apr 02 15:38 |
| schestowitz | "Free enterprise" | Apr 02 15:38 |
| schestowitz | "Freedom of choice" | Apr 02 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I just thought of that one as well | Apr 02 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | Freedome of choice | Apr 02 15:38 |
| schestowitz | "Spreading freedom (war)" | Apr 02 15:38 |
| oiaohm_ | I can give a sentence of the feeling turning it into something short I cannot do. " I payed for the Item. I want the Right to use it how I see fit, Not have someone else restrict my use of hardware I have paid for." | Apr 02 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Texas texbooks subvert it further | Apr 02 15:39 |
| schestowitz | They rename capitalism | Apr 02 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Cause the word became a bad misnomer | Apr 02 15:39 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: so a new project a new domain? same web hosting? | Apr 02 15:39 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and another IRC channel? | Apr 02 15:39 |
| schestowitz | They call it something like "free" something | Apr 02 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Basically, they are crazy revionists | Apr 02 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Making up new euphemisms | Apr 02 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Like they make words such as "pirate" to daemonise the population | Apr 02 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Or "terrorist" or "militia" or "activist" | Apr 02 15:40 |
| schestowitz | "Dissident", "protester", "anti-corporate", "union", "organisers", "traitors" | Apr 02 15:40 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: no | Apr 02 15:41 |
| schestowitz | No change for now | Apr 02 15:41 |
| schestowitz | brb | Apr 02 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yes not now | Apr 02 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ,but the future... | Apr 02 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | when RIP Novell | Apr 02 15:41 |
| oiaohm_ | antidecpetion | Apr 02 15:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.3news.co.nz/TVShows/CampbellLive/Story/tabid/817/articleID/148354/Default.aspx | Apr 02 15:42 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Exercise physiologist Dr James Walter trying to get Pepsi grant to get kids skinny http://pep.si/cOry75 !science | Apr 02 15:43 | |
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| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20100331/1206028812.shtml | Apr 02 15:45 |
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| schestowitz | See? | Apr 02 15:45 |
| schestowitz | I'd never suggest anyone try this because people whom I speak to say the same thing | Apr 02 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Info is abundant, the mistake is to pretend it isn't | Apr 02 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | Science writer Simon Singh wins libel appeal http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8598472.stm | Apr 02 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | Even quackery can't be criticised in the UK anyway, almost | Apr 02 15:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning all! | Apr 02 15:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] We have a new Shot Of Jaq all about whether caffeine is a problem in our community - The Costs Of Caffeine - http://is.gd/bbjOP #shotofjaq | Apr 02 15:52 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6303KG20100401 | Apr 02 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | jono: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/336 why not Mighty Mouse? | Apr 02 15:56 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Ubuntu 10.10 will be named Maverick Meerkat - http://is.gd/bbki9 #ubuntu | Apr 02 15:59 | |
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| schestowitz | Heh. We're in here: http://geekvalley.blogspot.com/2010/04/april-fools-collection-of-today-fake.html | Apr 02 16:06 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Even of #Firefox is hacked at #Pwn2Own, this doesn't mean it is insecure. | Apr 02 16:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Even if #Firefox got hacked at #Pwn2Own, this doesn't mean it is insecure. | Apr 02 16:14 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/2010-03-gnome230.html | Apr 02 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | "I'm glad that we are able to include it in our next release and also have it available for easy installation on openSUSE 11.2." | Apr 02 16:16 |
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| *schestowitz experiments with Opera ona Fedora box | Apr 02 16:22 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/11/mavizen-ttx02/ | Apr 02 16:25 |
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| schestowitz | Linux based | Apr 02 16:25 |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, my friends last night told me something that kind of made me think for a while. | Apr 02 16:36 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, one of them told me: "There are two major point that will probably make you love Facebook. a) They developed the Cassandra Database (Free Software). .." | Apr 02 16:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Anyone know if there is a key binding for the Important flag in Evolution? #gnome #ubuntu | Apr 02 16:42 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] #UID @sunil_abraham: The personal is the personal by Usha Ramanathan http://bit.ly/50CurN | Apr 02 16:42 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Maybe it really is time to restore the government our founding fathers left us http://ur1.ca/syxk | Apr 02 16:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Public announcement: Stefanos Harhalakis behaves in the manner of an utter cock. http://is.gd/bbol5 http://is.gd/bbom5 | Apr 02 16:53 | |
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| Ender2070_ | Diablo-D3 - yes and I also have a physical java book too.. my memory works better when i'm actually doing something meaninful and was hoping you knew some good sites with code samples or good resources | Apr 02 17:01 |
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| MSBBC | Check out "http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8600493.stm" | Apr 02 17:03 |
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| MSBBC | How MS hijacks even Altair founder's death, and MSBBC reports on it | Apr 02 17:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] (fwd) *PLEASE RT!* Looking for a room in SW London. Friendly nonsmoking female professional- please email me on london.is.awake@gmail.com! | Apr 02 17:07 | |
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| Ender2070_ | bam bitches | Apr 02 17:15 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Windows Wimpy (22.22) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/02/windows-wimpy/ just a joke | Apr 02 17:31 | |
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| schestowitz | This shows the reality in reverse | Apr 02 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu influencing Microsoft rather than Microsoft assimilating Ubuntu to Microsoft | Apr 02 17:33 |
| Omar87 | _goblin__, are you there? | Apr 02 17:36 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Fox news vs Blackwater on the final Bracket of Evil round http://ur1.ca/sz7n | Apr 02 17:53 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Can we just elect Jon Stewart as President already? http://ur1.ca/sz8p | Apr 02 17:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cory Doctorow Explains Why #Apple ’s #iPad is Bad and @SJVN Shows That #Mac OS X is Not Secure http://boycottnovell.com/?stories | Apr 02 18:21 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Pushed ArpON-1.90 and emacs-goodies 31.5 in Fedora repositories: http://arunsag.wordpress.com/2010/04/02/arpon-1-90-and-emacs-goodies-31-5/ | Apr 02 18:28 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Calling Newegg | Apr 02 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | they offered to pay the shipping and waive the restocking fee | Apr 02 18:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Hijacks Ed Roberts' Death, Not Just His Career http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/02/msbbc-ed-roberts-history/ Shame on the BBC | Apr 02 18:40 | |
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| schestowitz | newegg hates linux | Apr 02 18:40 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They love anything they can sell | Apr 02 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | no more evil than any other company | Apr 02 18:41 |
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| cubezzz | some companies are more evil than others | Apr 02 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | If you refused to do business with any company that ever did something bad, you'd be living under a bridge, starving and naked | Apr 02 18:47 |
| cubezzz | no | Apr 02 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | that's really what this boils down to | Apr 02 18:47 |
| cubezzz | think about the Amish | Apr 02 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | ick | Apr 02 18:48 |
| cubezzz | or any other self-sufficient group | Apr 02 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | no, they shop at Walmart | Apr 02 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | and Sams Club | Apr 02 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | en masse | Apr 02 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | they are not self-sufficient | Apr 02 18:48 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Apr 02 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | they are arrogant jerks with a chip on their shoulder who seem to believe I am "English" | Apr 02 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | oh, and inbred | Apr 02 18:49 |
| cubezzz | so what are they buying from Walmart? | Apr 02 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | they don't believe in buying things like deodorant, so they go into Walmart and use it and put it back on the shelf | Apr 02 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I buy spray deodorant | Apr 02 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: They go to Sam's Club more often | Apr 02 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | stock up on things they need in bulk | Apr 02 18:50 |
| cubezzz | ok, I'm one up on the Amish then | Apr 02 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | people stereotype Jews as tightwads | Apr 02 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | they really should be saying "That guy just Amished me" | Apr 02 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | and some of the more liberal Amish even go to McDonalds | Apr 02 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | or the movie theater | Apr 02 18:51 |
| cubezzz | Gyped is the more usual expression | Apr 02 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | they're really breaking down and slowly integrating back into society | Apr 02 18:51 |
| cubezzz | although I have heard "can I jew you down" | Apr 02 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | especially the younger ones who sometimes just leave | Apr 02 18:51 |
| cubezzz | I can believe it | Apr 02 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | Who would voluntarily live in the 1600's, really? | Apr 02 18:52 |
| cubezzz | more like 19th centuary I would say | Apr 02 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | it started with "You can use modern tech with the approval of our council and a genuine need" | Apr 02 18:52 |
| cubezzz | er, century | Apr 02 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | like if you needed Penicillin or you would die, they would approve your use of it | Apr 02 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | that eventually became, Walmart, the movie theater, and fast food | Apr 02 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 02 18:53 |
| cubezzz | I don't need fast food and I don't shop at Walmart | Apr 02 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | I used to have a Sam's Club membership because it was free when I was a Walmart manager | Apr 02 18:54 |
| cubezzz | yikes, you actually worked there | Apr 02 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | the deals there are not real good and you have to buy things by the dozen to get them | Apr 02 18:55 |
| cubezzz | so how did you like working at Walmart? | Apr 02 18:55 |
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| DaemonFC | like you might save 5 cents on a can of soup as Sam's, but you had to buy like 24 cans | Apr 02 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 02 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Some good, some bad | Apr 02 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | not _everything_ Walmart does is bad for the community, but there are a lot of problems with what they do | Apr 02 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | how they pay people is the biggest thing I had against them | Apr 02 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | other than pay, they're actually a good place to work | Apr 02 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | discrimination and harassment are not tolerated at all | Apr 02 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | I've personally fired people for it, skipping the disciplinary steps entirely | Apr 02 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | no warning, no write up, no second chances | Apr 02 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | especially if I witnessed it or had many people see it happen | Apr 02 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | We also had what was called a "merit raise" system that has been removed | Apr 02 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | I think it was a mistake, but a lot of favoritism going on with that was the reason they cited | Apr 02 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | I think they were being cheap | Apr 02 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | when I was there, most of the time I was there anyway, I had a great deal of discretion over what people were paid | Apr 02 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | and it still had to fill in with payroll guidelines, but I did use that discretion | Apr 02 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not going to be giving out raises to the people who don't really work and increase my profitability | Apr 02 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | I will weed those people out | Apr 02 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | they may work there for months or even a year before I get them, but I *will* get rid of them | Apr 02 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | sooner or later they will bend over to tie their shoes and I'll fire them for "time clock theft" | Apr 02 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | but some people who worked for me and were very productive were making $9-10 an hour | Apr 02 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | you don't want to work? Fine. Make $7.50 an hour until you leave or I get rid of you. | Apr 02 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's all about how much of an asset that individual is, balanced against what burdens they impose on my payroll | Apr 02 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | that's one aspect, I think, of being an effective manager | Apr 02 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | As for the fight against unions, I see that as mutually beneficial between Walmart and the employee | Apr 02 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | I really do, having worked for one of the unions that is trying to get into Walmart, I know what they do | Apr 02 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | they steal your paycheck as "dues" before you even see it, and fail to represent you | Apr 02 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | they let the company dictate the rest of your contract anyway | Apr 02 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | You're basically voting yourself into another layer of debt bondage when you vote to bring in a union | Apr 02 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: There's two kinds of unions. | Apr 02 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | The ones I just described, and, the ones that get real fucking greedy and drive the company under and (in a true free market without government bailouts), would cost every worker there their jobs. | Apr 02 19:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] just gave my guitar some new strings lovin for the first time in about a decade, now I need to toughen up my fingertips, it's been a while | Apr 02 19:06 | |
| DaemonFC | Do I think what Walmart does is always right? Hell no. | Apr 02 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | I think it should be regulated by law. | Apr 02 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | into paying people living wages in line with the community standard | Apr 02 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | unions have shown us they have no interest in protecting the worker | Apr 02 19:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] wiped mint 8 gnome with mint 8 xfce on my desktop too, tomorrow the netbook will get the same treatment | Apr 02 19:09 | |
| DaemonFC | the long term health of a company is partially dependent on worker morale and turnover anyway | Apr 02 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart has been relying a lot on just being cheap and not having knowledgeable or friendly sales people | Apr 02 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | They'll pay for that eventually | Apr 02 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | it's a business plan that, I think, will produce great results for a while, but eventually collapse on itself | Apr 02 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: I've found that in some cases, using a blog as a bully pulpit is the best way to get satisfaction | Apr 02 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | companies hate negative talk about them and will often bend their own policies to make it go away | Apr 02 19:13 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Just added myself to the http://wefollow.com twitter directory under: #jordan_irbid #reading #freesoftware #programming #wrestling #music | Apr 02 19:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Federal Appeals Court Deals Blow to #OOXML as This Proprietary #Microsoft Format Becomes Increasingly Irrelevant http://ur1.ca/szl7 | Apr 02 19:24 | |
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| MinceR | r4wr | Apr 02 19:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Addicted to caffeine? Think caffeine makes you a more hardcore geek? You need to join the discussion at http://is.gd/bbjOP #shotofjaq | Apr 02 19:28 | |
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| _Goblin | lol great stuff | Apr 02 19:36 |
| _Goblin | our friend Andre is trying to be clever: | Apr 02 19:36 |
| _Goblin | "I am trying to learn C ++ but I get a head ache, why is that?" | Apr 02 19:36 |
| _Goblin | well Andre its because in a minute you will pimp c# and .net | Apr 02 19:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat/Fedora Deliver GNOME Without the Mono http://ur1.ca/szm7 GNOME 2.30 is out and Fedora leaves Tomboy out | Apr 02 19:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Audio Connections In Gnome - how do I route an output of one app into the input of another? http://is.gd/bbz3s #gnome #ubuntu | Apr 02 19:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] What Tilly Bailey Irvine Solicitors (TBI) tried to hide? http://tinyurl.com/yg6ep9x #tpb #piracy | Apr 02 19:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: #Microsoft Patents “Guardian Angel”, Subverts #EIF ; 20 Years Wasted on One Patent http://ur1.ca/szr0 | Apr 02 20:08 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: Andre is still in CNET | Apr 02 20:09 |
| schestowitz | "Mr Dee" seen some days ago | Apr 02 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Dissing Novell's former CEO and Google's CEO at present | Apr 02 20:09 |
| schestowitz | No schwag from Google to this man, I guess | Apr 02 20:10 |
| _Goblin | yeah Ive been watching.....strange that because he admitted on twitter he was Mr Dee | Apr 02 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he has more accounts | Apr 02 20:11 |
| _Goblin | I think though the brand name Da Costa is no longer taken seriously enough. | Apr 02 20:11 |
| _Goblin | sorry Da Co$ta | Apr 02 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Mr. Duh!Costa | Apr 02 20:11 |
| MinceR | Rolla Costa | Apr 02 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Rolla Cockroach | Apr 02 20:11 |
| _Goblin | lol | Apr 02 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Looking to nibble crumbs | Apr 02 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Like laptops | Apr 02 20:12 |
| schestowitz | *nibble on | Apr 02 20:12 |
| _Goblin | get rid of the Rolla......Andre Da Cockroach sounds better. | Apr 02 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Put it in the mincer | Apr 02 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Make some beetlejuice | Apr 02 20:12 |
| MinceR | access denied. | Apr 02 20:12 |
| *schestowitz saliviting | Apr 02 20:12 | |
| schestowitz | daemonracist should see this: http://nomoredeaths.org/ | Apr 02 20:13 |
| schestowitz | http://ia331428.us.archive.org/1/items/freespeechtv_sourcecode209/sc209.ogv?freespeechtv_sourcecode209/sc209.ogv | Apr 02 20:15 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft gets two more retail outlets? http://tinyurl.com/ydk5rmf #microsoft #fail | Apr 02 20:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Btw, to mark a message as Important in Evolution press '!' - thanks Michael Hall for the answer! | Apr 02 20:42 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: you missed the important point | Apr 02 20:54 |
| schestowitz | 2 is negligible | Apr 02 20:54 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't take off | Apr 02 20:54 |
| schestowitz | If it did, they would maybe open 200 | Apr 02 20:54 |
| schestowitz | 2 in the US is like opening a corner shop (a quarter of a shop) in the UK | Apr 02 20:54 |
| _Goblin | Im sure, but it marks a unique change in dynamics for Microsoft that maybe they have realised they cant throw money at their products and make competitors go away....its why Bing was a decision engine.... | Apr 02 20:57 |
| _Goblin | looking at MS advertising, I think MS have realized how popular open source and the community surrounding it is.......thats why they have Windows 7 is mine adverts... | Apr 02 20:58 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft just isn't the best game in town | Apr 02 21:04 |
| schestowitz | To many, Apple is | Apr 02 21:05 |
| schestowitz | But only in rich countries | Apr 02 21:05 |
| cubezzz | personally I don't think they ever were but now it's totally clear :) | Apr 02 21:05 |
| cubezzz | probably Sun Sparc was the best | Apr 02 21:05 |
| MinceR | crApple isn't the best game in town, either | Apr 02 21:06 |
| cubezzz | I've stayed away from Apple | Apr 02 21:06 |
| schestowitz | ____/ ceed on Friday 02 Apr 2010 15:01 : \____ | Apr 02 21:06 |
| schestowitz | > Hi, | Apr 02 21:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 02 21:06 |
| schestowitz | > I tried Windows 7 for the first time yesterday. I used it on a laptop for | Apr 02 21:06 |
| schestowitz | > a few hours. What immediately strike me is that nothing fundamental has | Apr 02 21:06 |
| schestowitz | > happened to the worlds most popular OS since Windows 95 which introduced | Apr 02 21:06 |
| schestowitz | > the Start menu. It's still a desktop, icons, a file manager and menus. | Apr 02 21:06 |
| schestowitz | > Yes, it looks better and certain things work faster, but come on, it's | Apr 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz | > been more than a decade and nothing fundamental has happened! No wonder | Apr 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz | > Linux has caught up and passed Windows. But even Linux, in it's most | Apr 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz | > popular form, read stock Ubuntu/Mint/Fedora, is the same thing: desktop, | Apr 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz | > icons, a file manager and menu's. You have to actively dig into your | Apr 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz | > distro to find real desktop innovation like tabbed/tiled window managers | Apr 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz | > for instance. But default design major Linux distro's and Windows does the | Apr 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz | > same things in almost the same way. Linux is a little bit ahead in a few | Apr 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz | > areas and Windows supports more games. | Apr 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz | > I hate to say it, but the iPad's touch based UI is the first radical UI | Apr 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz | > design change which could eventually reach the common desktop I've seen in | Apr 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz | > years. And I do not even like touch based UI's (don't throw and iPhone at | Apr 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz | > me, it will bounce and drop). | Apr 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft INNOVA~1: | Apr 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz | "I’d be glad to help tilt lotus into into the death spiral. I could do it Friday afternoon but not Saturday. I could do it pretty much any time the following week." --Brad Silverberg, Microsoft | Apr 02 21:07 |
| _Goblin | "Called to account for themselves today on the corporation's Newswatch programme, the BBC fielded its hapless technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones who - surprise, surprise - defended the coverage by comparing the launch of Vista to the Model T-Ford." | Apr 02 21:07 |
| cubezzz | zaurus sl-5500 is just too slow for video :-/ | Apr 02 21:07 |
| _Goblin | Ive thought Rory was a fool from day 1.....that Click program is trash | Apr 02 21:08 |
| cubezzz | what's Silverberg doing these days? | Apr 02 21:08 |
| cubezzz | he still with Microsoft? | Apr 02 21:08 |
| cubezzz | it shows you their mentality though | Apr 02 21:08 |
| cubezzz | ah, left in 1999 | Apr 02 21:09 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: Rory dislikes me because I criticised him for being a Micropple sheep | Apr 02 21:10 |
| cubezzz | well, back to looking for used Sparc boxes :) | Apr 02 21:10 |
| Eruaran | One of my pet peeves at the moment with Windows 7 is the stupid dissappearing icon issue. | Apr 02 21:11 |
| Eruaran | Customers don't know about it because we fix it before the PC goes out the door. | Apr 02 21:11 |
| cubezzz | dude... I've given doze the boot out of my house :) | Apr 02 21:11 |
| Eruaran | It happens with every new Windows 7 install. | Apr 02 21:11 |
| Eruaran | It loses icons, they turn generic, its not a good look. | Apr 02 21:12 |
| Eruaran | I don't have Windows in my house... | Apr 02 21:12 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, at least you didn't use the first 4 letters of microsoft and all the letters of apple | Apr 02 21:12 |
| cubezzz | ah, at work then | Apr 02 21:12 |
| cubezzz | Sparc's got to be more secure you got to figure | Apr 02 21:12 |
| schestowitz | [21:08] <cubezzz> what's Silverberg doing these days? | Apr 02 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Ignition | Apr 02 21:13 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I saw | Apr 02 21:13 |
| cubezzz | huh, some Sparc's were assembled in Canada | Apr 02 21:13 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/22/microsoft-ignition-partners/ | Apr 02 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | ^Silverberg here | Apr 02 21:14 |
| cubezzz | I mean, if you want the slowest, most bloated OS most likely to be attacked... sure go with doze 7 :) | Apr 02 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: new logo yet? | Apr 02 21:14 |
| cubezzz | well, I didn't think he'd become a GNU person :) | Apr 02 21:15 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: not yet, sorry, will work on it today | Apr 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | ok :-) | Apr 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | You're the design expert | Apr 02 21:15 |
| Eruaran | me? | Apr 02 21:15 |
| Eruaran | lol | Apr 02 21:16 |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz: Maybe Rory is not a MS sheep maybe he just doesn't understand anything else? | Apr 02 21:16 |
| yuhong | On Windows 7 and USB: | Apr 02 21:16 |
| yuhong | http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/2/23/329 | Apr 02 21:16 |
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| cubezzz | I put multiple zaurus power supplies around the house so I can always plug it in | Apr 02 21:17 |
| yuhong | Funny, huh? | Apr 02 21:17 |
| Eruaran | Dang, my mocha got cold quick | Apr 02 21:18 |
| cubezzz | Boo Intel and Boo Windows | Apr 02 21:18 |
| Eruaran | will have to give it a zap | Apr 02 21:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A reason why the license fee is not worth the money? Apparently BBC Click is its flagship tech show....oh dear..no hope. #bbc #click #fail | Apr 02 21:20 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: yes, that's it | Apr 02 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Here's what I don't like: | Apr 02 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Many reporters decide what's important based on market cap | Apr 02 21:21 |
| schestowitz | As though there's a financial threshold for what they are allowed to publicise | Apr 02 21:21 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: people who want USB 3.0 use Linux | Apr 02 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 is behind | Apr 02 21:22 |
| *WireWulf is now known as WireWulf-away | Apr 02 21:22 | |
| _Goblin | Do we really believe Rory has any knowledge...I think he's no more than a script reader......he gets under my skin not so much for what he says but more how he presents it.... | Apr 02 21:22 |
| yuhong | Yes, I know. | Apr 02 21:22 |
| yuhong | But that is not what this is referring too. | Apr 02 21:22 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: some people suck up to him, MSFT employees for example | Apr 02 21:23 |
| schestowitz | They use him | Apr 02 21:23 |
| Eruaran | Most reporters would make Edward R Murrow turn in his grave. | Apr 02 21:23 |
| yuhong | Which is about a USB 2.0 problem. | Apr 02 21:23 |
| _Goblin | Spenser Kelly is the same. | Apr 02 21:23 |
| yuhong | However, here is a thread on LKML about USB 3.0: | Apr 02 21:24 |
| yuhong | http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/2/23/62 | Apr 02 21:24 |
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| yuhong | Support is getting better in Linux over time. | Apr 02 21:25 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: Speaking of 7 being behind... I had an interesting experience with a customer this week... a nightmare restoring their Outlook accounts/settings on Windows 7 (can you say Registry hell?)... It ended up a conversation on how far Windows is behind Linux desktops like KDE. | Apr 02 21:26 |
| yuhong | Windows 7 is behind in implementing AVX register save support too, but unlike with USB 3.0, that don't matter because Intel and AMD has not released chips supporting AVX yet. | Apr 02 21:27 |
| yuhong | And won't until early 2011, by then SP1 will be released which will include support. | Apr 02 21:28 |
| Eruaran | In other words Intel and AMD wont be testing their processors with Windows. | Apr 02 21:29 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Works Better Than #Vista7 http://ur1.ca/t00e http://ur1.ca/t00f | Apr 02 21:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Audiocasts About #GNU #Linux and #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/t00r http://ur1.ca/t00s | Apr 02 21:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux "Has Changed Everything" at IBM http://ur1.ca/t010 | Apr 02 21:37 | |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: just reinstall VIsta 7 | Apr 02 21:38 |
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| phIRCe-BNcom | Hello World! | Apr 02 21:38 |
| schestowitz | That usually fixed everything | Apr 02 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Until the next time... | Apr 02 21:39 |
| schestowitz | *xes | Apr 02 21:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Thanks, Evolution Developers! http://is.gd/bbG8A #gnome | Apr 02 21:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @ skepticlatheist Lest we forget the abused adult women http://tinyurl.com/yd7dz5e | Apr 02 21:39 | |
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| Eruaran | schestowitz: heh, reinstall the problem? ;) | Apr 02 21:41 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: You have to rebuild the icon cache... then it works... bleh... | Apr 02 21:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Kernel Space Gets Rid of Lock, #Lexmark Adds Its Weight http://ur1.ca/t01b http://ur1.ca/t01c | Apr 02 21:41 | |
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| Eruaran | How long have we had graphical desktops with icons for? | Apr 02 21:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patience Pays Off for #KDE4 , A Look at #GNOME 2.30 http://ur1.ca/t01q http://ur1.ca/t01r | Apr 02 21:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Element 1.1, a #GNU #Linux Distribution https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/381252/afbe6c903895073e/ | Apr 02 21:44 | |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: about 15 years | Apr 02 21:45 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: I thought it was more like 30 years | Apr 02 21:46 |
| Eruaran | Its 2010, and Microsoft can't fix an icon bug that's been there since Vista... | Apr 02 21:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo Family News and #Interview http://ur1.ca/t02g http://ur1.ca/t02i | Apr 02 21:47 | |
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| yuhong | On Win7 and USB 3.0...You know that it was pretty much similar with WinXP and USB 2.0 back in 2001-2002 | Apr 02 21:57 |
| yuhong | On Win7 and USB 3.0...You know that it was pretty much similar with WinXP and USB 2.0 back in 2001-2002? | Apr 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: oh, I thought you meant "We" as in "Linux users" | Apr 02 21:59 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: I'm not following.. | Apr 02 21:59 |
| yuhong | Do you remember when USB 2.0 came out? | Apr 02 22:00 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: No just in general terms | Apr 02 22:00 |
| yuhong | Around the time of Windows XP? | Apr 02 22:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Enterprise #GNU #Linux 5.5: An Overview http://ur1.ca/t03c | Apr 02 22:00 | |
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| yuhong | Remember waiting until XP SP1 to get support? They were able to backport it to Win2000 SP3 too. | Apr 02 22:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Manual Audio Book is Out, Distro Made Easier http://ur1.ca/t03p http://ur1.ca/t03q http://ur1.ca/sszg | Apr 02 22:04 | |
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| schestowitz | yuhong: I don't remember | Apr 02 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I didn't use XP | Apr 02 22:06 |
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| yuhong | OK, so you already switched to Linux by then. | Apr 02 22:10 |
| yuhong | Anyone else remember? | Apr 02 22:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #OLPC XOs With #GNU #Linux Are Still Being Delivered http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/040110-one-laptop-per-child-delivers.html | Apr 02 22:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] I had no Idea the official language of Singapore is English | Apr 02 22:34 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/27002783#notice-27029143 "@schestowitz "exclusive right of public performance"? sounds like they're looking to extort cash out of concert takings too..." Yeah, well, they insist on reviving aged business | Apr 02 23:11 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.81 KB | Apr 02 23:11 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz ah, they mention payola as well. That needed to be said. "http://identi.ca/conversation/27003578#notice-27029956 conglomerates | Apr 02 23:11 |
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| _goblin | just noticed something..... | Apr 02 23:18 |
| _goblin | Adacosta is finally an MVP.... | Apr 02 23:18 |
| _goblin | sorry I mean Andre Da Costa | Apr 02 23:18 |
| _goblin | heres his twitter profile: | Apr 02 23:18 |
| _goblin | "Microsoft MVP, Technology Enthusiast, Windows Enthusiast, Windows Live, Windows 7, Blogger, Notebooks.com, ActiveWin.com" | Apr 02 23:18 |
| _goblin | when did that happen? | Apr 02 23:19 |
| _goblin | lol.... | Apr 02 23:20 |
| _goblin | according to his blog he recieved an email on April 1st | Apr 02 23:20 |
| _goblin | I wonder if the jokes on him or on us? | Apr 02 23:20 |
| _goblin | He gives a little "history" of his "work" on the Net..... | Apr 02 23:20 |
| _goblin | its funny he doesn't mention Mr Dee or his posting on Microsoft Watch. | Apr 02 23:21 |
| _goblin | From his blog: | Apr 02 23:21 |
| _goblin | "with the MVP Award come new responsibilities, which is to bring you information that is always accurate, responsible and dependable while building on that strong spirit of community!" | Apr 02 23:21 |
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| _goblin | so would that be like his comment of "Shame Michael Jackson didn't live to see Windows 7"? | Apr 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Red-Hat-release-OpenJDK-1-6-0-security-update-969281.html | Apr 02 23:22 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Red Hat release OpenJDK 1.6.0 security update - The H Security: News and Features .::. Size~: 35.05 KB | Apr 02 23:23 |
| schestowitz | _goblin: interesting.. | Apr 02 23:24 |
| _goblin | he's being articled now. | Apr 02 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | OK, good | Apr 02 23:29 |
| cubezzz | everyone's selling used Sparc's with no keyboard | Apr 02 23:30 |
| Eruaran | Do they have particularly nice keyboards? ;) | Apr 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.macnn.com/articles/10/03/30/itworld.lists.top.5.security.fixes.in.1063/ | Apr 02 23:31 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Briefly: ShiVa 3D adds iPad support, 10.6.3 security fixes | MacNN .::. Size~: 68.36 KB | Apr 02 23:31 |
| schestowitz | "Stonetrip has announced that it will be updating its ShiVa 3D software with additional iPad development capabilities. The latest version expands supported platforms to include PC, Mac, Web, Linux, iPhone, Android and iPad." | Apr 02 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Wait | Apr 02 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Windows is called "PC" now? | Apr 02 23:31 |
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| Eruaran | I see that all too commonly | Apr 02 23:32 |
| MinceR | crApple cultists call it that | Apr 02 23:33 |
| Eruaran | People think PC=Windows and don't know Android is Linux | Apr 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Google should dumps flash. | Apr 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/03/30/google.may.have.slight.edge.on.ipad.with.tablets/ | Apr 02 23:33 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Chrome OS to carry built-in Flash too | Electronista .::. Size~: 61.04 KB | Apr 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Instead it has it in YT | Apr 02 23:33 |
| MinceR | google should also dump h.264 | Apr 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they are a fringe group | Apr 02 23:33 |
| Eruaran | yes | Apr 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | News sites should ignore them | Apr 02 23:33 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: isn't that a crApple cultist "news" site? | Apr 02 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Oh, oops | Apr 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | I hadn't noticed | Apr 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Mac users don't use PCs | Apr 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | They use something special | Apr 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Components made in special factories | Apr 02 23:34 |
| MinceR | yeah, they use PCs with EFI | Apr 02 23:34 |
| schestowitz | With the discarded defective ones thrown to "PC" factories | Apr 02 23:34 |
| Eruaran | lol schestowitz you just reminded me of the mactards we sometimes get in the store | Apr 02 23:35 |
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| Eruaran | Sometimes a Mac user will come in wanting a hard drive | Apr 02 23:35 |
| Eruaran | internal/external doesn't matter | Apr 02 23:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: effigy | Apr 02 23:35 |
| Eruaran | They want a Mac drive | Apr 02 23:35 |
| MinceR | WD does sell drives "for mac" | Apr 02 23:35 |
| Eruaran | I tell them we got Seagate and Western Digital mainly | Apr 02 23:35 |
| MinceR | it's funny | Apr 02 23:35 |
| Eruaran | I ask them if they want IDE or SATA | Apr 02 23:36 |
| Eruaran | they say MAC | Apr 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | What's, the diff? | Apr 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | They carve some Mac logo? | Apr 02 23:36 |
| MinceR | they're white | Apr 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Or some Apple-cerified priests blesses it in China @ 20 cents/hour? | Apr 02 23:36 |
| MinceR | and probably formatted with some crApple FS and preloaded with sw for osx | Apr 02 23:36 |
| Eruaran | I had an idiot with a real nose up in air attitude in one day who insisted that a hard drive for a mac was something special and different... | Apr 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: you're confusing them | Apr 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | They don't know what left and right mouse buttons mean | Apr 02 23:37 |
| Eruaran | I told him, "I can draw an Apple logo on it if you want" | Apr 02 23:37 |
| MinceR | Eruaran: maybe it's code for "i want the most expensive hard drive you've got" | Apr 02 23:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: white before they take them to the bathroom | Apr 02 23:37 |
| MinceR | s/hard/external &/ | Apr 02 23:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Apple has bad FSes | Apr 02 23:37 |
| schestowitz | It's not even theirs | Apr 02 23:37 |
| MinceR | most of the sw they sell isn't theirs | Apr 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | [23:36] <Eruaran> I had an idiot with a real nose up in air attitude in one day who insisted that a hard drive for a mac was something special and different... | Apr 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Mongoloids are special and different... | Apr 02 23:38 |
| MinceR | well, most of the stuff they sell isn't theirs | Apr 02 23:38 |
| Eruaran | I told him, "I can draw an Apple logo on it if you want" | Apr 02 23:38 |
| MinceR | the ideas, the patents, the standards -- almost none of that is theirs | Apr 02 23:38 |
| schestowitz | "Great artists steal" | Apr 02 23:39 |
| Eruaran | The Apple logo has magical qualities ;) | Apr 02 23:39 |
| MinceR | yeah | Apr 02 23:39 |
| MinceR | great artists steal and then lie about it | Apr 02 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Or keep secretive | Apr 02 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Like Apple does | Apr 02 23:39 |
| Eruaran | It is imbued with the Jobs reality distortion field | Apr 02 23:39 |
| MinceR | and accuse the ones they stole from with stealing | Apr 02 23:39 |
| MinceR | and attack them | Apr 02 23:39 |
| Eruaran | Like the Flashbulb? | Apr 02 23:39 |
| MinceR | like crApple does with the free software community | Apr 02 23:39 |
| schestowitz | “The true hypocrite is the one who ceases to perceive his deception, the one who lies with sincerity.” -Andre Gide | Apr 02 23:40 |
| Eruaran | His music is still on iTunes | Apr 02 23:40 |
| MinceR | i have no idea who flashbulb is | Apr 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | iTooons? | Apr 02 23:40 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: hypeTunes | Apr 02 23:40 |
| Eruaran | Apple has no agreement with him, his management or label | Apr 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: me neither | Apr 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no | Apr 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | hypetoons | Apr 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | It's where they watch anime | Apr 02 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Before opening photoshop to do stlylish stuff | Apr 02 23:41 |
| Eruaran | MinceR: he's an artist who's material appears on iTunes without his consent or any agreement with Apple | Apr 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | GIMP has some more fuction than PhotoSHOE | Apr 02 23:41 |
| MinceR | stylish stuff that gimp did ages ago, and did it better? :> | Apr 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | GIMP has a lot of 3rd part free functionality | Apr 02 23:41 |
| MinceR | Eruaran: why doesn't he sue? | Apr 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | *party | Apr 02 23:41 |
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| Eruaran | MinceR: He's an independent artist, his label is also small.. they don't have the money to go up against Apples lawyers | Apr 02 23:42 |
| Eruaran | iTunes is unethical | Apr 02 23:42 |
| MinceR | ic | Apr 02 23:42 |
| MinceR | he could at least make a stink about it | Apr 02 23:42 |
| Eruaran | he did | Apr 02 23:43 |
| MinceR | not big enough | Apr 02 23:43 |
| Eruaran | He also put his own material up on the pirate bay and told fans to download for free from the pirate bay and not to give their money to Apple | Apr 02 23:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/03/31/ps3_hacker_fights_back/ | Apr 02 23:43 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Hacker pledges to re-enable Linux on PS3 • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 19.94 KB | Apr 02 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Now I view Sony as just AMFIAA funder | Apr 02 23:43 |
| schestowitz | And they use embedded Linux in TVs and stuff | Apr 02 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | And don't give much back | Apr 02 23:44 |
| Eruaran | The "best" response Flashbulb has ever got from Apple is "were sorry you have a problem" | Apr 02 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Linux already has companies trying to centralise power | Apr 02 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Maemo, Android store, etc | Apr 02 23:45 |
| schestowitz | We need to reject those | Apr 02 23:45 |
| schestowitz | They also act as gateway | Apr 02 23:45 |
| schestowitz | And gateKEEPERS | Apr 02 23:45 |
| schestowitz | http://pr-usa.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=364084&Itemid=34 | Apr 02 23:46 |
| schestowitz | I know nothing about this company... Guest-tek | Apr 02 23:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ei=EnG2S_PCMo7u0gTdjpmrBQ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAsQBSgA&q=Guest-tek+microsoft&spell=1 | Apr 02 23:46 |
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| MinceR | Maemo was replaced by MeeGo | Apr 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=Guest-tek | Apr 02 23:47 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: meego down? | Apr 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | it's poisoned by the criminals who run Intel | Apr 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | People like Barret and Otellini | Apr 02 23:47 |
| MinceR | at least it's a more open platform for pda/phones than android | Apr 02 23:48 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/SimplyMEPIS-8-5-Final-Switches-to-KDE-4-3-4-138854.shtml | Apr 02 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | open means little | Apr 02 23:48 |
| schestowitz | We need libre | Apr 02 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Atrocious headline: http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2260510/roles-2020 | Apr 02 23:50 |
| MinceR | in this context, open means you can run your own code on it | Apr 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Intel wants no h/w options | Apr 02 23:50 |
| MinceR | and use its apis | Apr 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | And it bribes to escape more prosecutions | Apr 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Having bribes to earn a position | Apr 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | It's like Microsoft | Apr 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/silicon-power-a70-waterproof-external-rugged-hard-drive-31-03-2010/ | Apr 02 23:53 |
| schestowitz | "The Silicon Power A70 meets military standards for ruggedness and also is IEC529 IPX7 compliant for water resistance. It feature read and write speeds of up to 480Mbps and is compatible with Windows, Mac and Linux." | Apr 02 23:53 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Silicon Power A70 Waterproof External Rugged Hard Drive | Geeky Gadgets .::. Size~: 24.62 KB | Apr 02 23:53 |
| schestowitz | No way, jo-se!! | Apr 02 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | Mac uses the same hardware as those "cheap bastards" | Apr 02 23:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Congrats to Andre Da Costa MVP? – Here’s how to become one? http://tinyurl.com/ycyk6t2 #microsoft #fud #mvp #linux #apple #foss #windows | Apr 02 23:53 | |
| schestowitz | Why pay premium then? | Apr 02 23:53 |
| phIRCe-BNcom | Title: Congrats to Andre Da Costa MVP? Heres how to become one? « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 31.62 KB | Apr 02 23:53 |
| MinceR | because then you can get shiny white plastic with a cult logo | Apr 02 23:55 |
| MinceR | and feel elite | Apr 02 23:56 |
| MinceR | even if it catches fire or blows up or just bricks itself | Apr 02 23:56 |
| MinceR | you get to belong to a group that isn't worth belonging to | Apr 02 23:56 |
| schestowitz | what do you guys remember from the vista 7 battery fiasco? | Apr 02 23:59 |
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