| DeadSuperHero | He gave me a smiley face. | Apr 09 00:00 |
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| DeadSuperHero | I feel speeeecial. :D | Apr 09 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: thanks for the links | Apr 09 00:00 |
| schestowitz | I'll use them later | Apr 09 00:01 |
| schestowitz | I'm writing about IBM | Apr 09 00:01 |
| schestowitz | iPad is in the news because it serves Big Media with DRM and stuff | Apr 09 00:01 |
| DeadSuperHero | Woo. | Apr 09 00:01 |
| DeadSuperHero | Oh look, Ryan Paul is already pimping out CoApp on Ars Technica. http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/04/microsoft-offers-much-needed-fix-for-windows-oss-development.ars | Apr 09 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | He likes de Icaza too | Apr 09 00:04 |
| WireWulf | brb | Apr 09 00:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 2008 #Gaza invasion "not #war, but massacre" http://bit.ly/aK1Juq "Goldstone report not controversial, it's cautious,conservative&judicious" | Apr 09 00:04 | |
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| DeadSuperHero | What to write, what to write... | Apr 09 00:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> I think there is more to this IBM story | Apr 09 00:06 |
| DeadSuperHero | Something positive about the FOSS community, I think we can always use something to cheer people up. | Apr 09 00:06 |
| DeadSuperHero | And Chips, you're probably right. | Apr 09 00:06 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DeadSuperHero: what about Haiku's progress? | Apr 09 00:07 |
| DeadSuperHero | Hey, yeah. | Apr 09 00:08 |
| DeadSuperHero | They're almost ready for Alpha2, aren't they? | Apr 09 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, it's a long post | Apr 09 00:08 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DeadSuperHero: yup and they got donated enough to contract some full time devs | Apr 09 00:08 |
| schestowitz | I haven't contradicted myself | Apr 09 00:08 |
| schestowitz | It's likely a Microsoft action, but IBM responded stupidly | Apr 09 00:08 |
| DeadSuperHero | Hmm, so there's Haiku's progress. In other news, the GNU Generation project is really helping to make entry into the FOSS community easier for students, so that's pretty neat. | Apr 09 00:09 |
| DeadSuperHero | GNU Social is working on an alternative to Facebook, also neat. | Apr 09 00:09 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DeadSuperHero: some company called TuneTracker even donated their PCIe serial driver stack to them | Apr 09 00:10 |
| Ziodotmatrix | http://www.haiku-os.org/news/2010-04-02_tunetracker_systems_donates_serial_driver | Apr 09 00:10 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: TuneTracker Systems Donates Serial Driver | Haiku Project .::. Size~: 16.32 KB | Apr 09 00:10 |
| DeadSuperHero | Hmm. | Apr 09 00:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | schestowitz> It's likely a Microsoft action, but IBM responded stupidly"> well yes, but look at it this way, if MS is behind turbolinux in this, the aim is to destroy IBM and its help with Linux | Apr 09 00:11 |
| DeadSuperHero | lolwut. | Apr 09 00:12 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DeadSuperHero: does this means the driver they donated becomes open source? Btw awesome on the FOSS social network | Apr 09 00:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | both sides, MS and IBM try to protect their monopoly, the difference is that MS would not die if it lose 50% of its market | Apr 09 00:12 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ziodotmatrix: As far as I know, they're still in the planning stage. I think they could do a lot of good by collaborating with GNU Chile on gNewBook though. | Apr 09 00:13 |
| DeadSuperHero | I just would to see a full alternative come out of it, like identi.ca replaced Twitter. | Apr 09 00:14 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DeadSuperHero: better for privacy too | Apr 09 00:14 |
| DeadSuperHero | Then again, I'd also like to see an OGG-powered HTML5 alternative to YouTube. | Apr 09 00:14 |
| DeadSuperHero | So maybe my head is stuck in the clouds. | Apr 09 00:15 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DeadSuperHero: if only Vimeo could have been that, hopefully not Ebaulm's World | Apr 09 00:15 |
| DeadSuperHero | Don't get me started on eBaums World. | Apr 09 00:16 |
| DeadSuperHero | I protested them back in the day. | Apr 09 00:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS uses proxies and shills. Its a known fact. Most likely SCO is a proxy. Turbolinux could be. | Apr 09 00:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Even Elliot could be a proxy. would you put it pass them? | Apr 09 00:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Icahn was most likely a proxy. | Apr 09 00:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Icahn for the takeover and adoption of silverlight in Blockbuster was most likely a proxy for MS | Apr 09 00:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS hates IBM | Apr 09 00:18 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DeadSuperHero: now there's 4Chan but they work as a scriptkitty community to screw people and at least don't try to put spam or malware into your computer upon entering their links as well as phishing | Apr 09 00:18 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ziodotmatrix: I remember the good old days of EbaumsWorldSucks. It was a community merged between some of 4Chan, some of Fark, some of SomethingAwful, and some of NewGrounds. | Apr 09 00:19 |
| DeadSuperHero | It was an awesome community. | Apr 09 00:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS is known to kill the competition. Take Netscape for example, wordperfect, Lotus, Stac Electronics, Digital Research. Oh, and MS came close to killing IBM once before during OS/2. | Apr 09 00:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer has also threatrened to kill google. | Apr 09 00:20 |
| DeadSuperHero | He also proved he's an excellent chair thrower. | Apr 09 00:20 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DeadSuperHero: yea but things changed and eBaums is now off the scope of most of popular net culture | Apr 09 00:20 |
| DeadSuperHero | He was all-state in Chair Thrower his senior year. | Apr 09 00:21 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DeadSuperHero: 4Chan is busy now trying to ruin net games that try to pose as simulators and try to turn a profit | Apr 09 00:22 |
| DeadSuperHero | Well at least they're doing something productive. | Apr 09 00:22 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DeadSuperHero: he also makes a good real life equivalent of a red faced smile rant iccon | Apr 09 00:22 |
| DeadSuperHero | Yep! | Apr 09 00:23 |
| Ziodotmatrix | brb | Apr 09 00:23 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.spamfighter.com/News-14166-Kids-Choice-Awards-Exploited-to-Distribute-FAKEAV.htm | Apr 09 00:23 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/view/8627/trojans-continue-to-hit-hard-says-sunbelt-software/ | Apr 09 00:24 |
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| DeadSuperHero | Bah, curse my bullet-point format of planning out articles. | Apr 09 00:25 |
| DeadSuperHero | It always looks a mess before I dive into it. | Apr 09 00:25 |
| DeadSuperHero | Aside from PyJunior, can anyone name a simple kid-focused IDE that is Free Software? | Apr 09 00:27 |
| DeadSuperHero | I figured I'd showcase a few in an entry. | Apr 09 00:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The truth about Glenn Beck http://alfredpeachous.com/ | Apr 09 00:28 | |
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| DeadSuperHero | Alice seems really dated an limited for a kid's IDE...hmmm. | Apr 09 00:29 |
| DeadSuperHero | *and | Apr 09 00:29 |
| DeadSuperHero | KTurtle might be promising. | Apr 09 00:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] star category called pulsar was named by a daily telegraph journalist, it is true. unlike most of their security service inspired stories | Apr 09 00:30 | |
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| Ziodotmatrix | lol some redundancy | Apr 09 00:33 |
| DeadSuperHero | Man, it would be nice if kids in the US had OLPC's. | Apr 09 00:36 |
| DeadSuperHero | Sugar looks really really nice. | Apr 09 00:36 |
| DeadSuperHero | Not to mention that pretty much all of the apps are written in Python. | Apr 09 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Just to clarify, DeadSuperHero= Linsu*** | Apr 09 00:38 |
| DeadSuperHero | Yeah, I'm from there. Big whoop. | Apr 09 00:38 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DeadSuperHero: No they'll all have diot proof iPads | Apr 09 00:38 |
| DeadSuperHero | I got tired of that place. | Apr 09 00:38 |
| DeadSuperHero | That place is so negative pretty much all of the time. | Apr 09 00:38 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/27723303#notice-27811434 "@schestowitz got a laptop <- ebay once, and i really want an xo-1, but they're not as cool if only a few people can get them, i want to g1g1" | Apr 09 00:40 |
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| Ziodotmatrix | DeadSuperHero: because afterall working computers is an alienating socially drain task best left to the pros at Best Buy or the nice Asian folks will send you a new one as long as you pay for an extended warranty | Apr 09 00:40 |
| schestowitz | DeadSuperHero: and yet, you spent enormous amounts of time attacking me | Apr 09 00:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | schestowitz: Not for quite some time. | Apr 09 00:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | If anything, Linsu** pretty much stopped talking about you months ago. | Apr 09 00:41 |
| schestowitz | It's only rational for me to treat you with caution and suspicion | Apr 09 00:41 |
| DeadSuperHero | Understood. And it's only rational for me to provide that people can in fact change. | Apr 09 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Promoting Linux makes one an enemy, I guess | Apr 09 00:41 |
| DeadSuperHero | On the contrary, the real enemies in the world are those that step on human rights, I've found. | Apr 09 00:42 |
| schestowitz | I never provoked that anti-Linux site | Apr 09 00:42 |
| schestowitz | In fact, I hardly mentioned it by name even | Apr 09 00:42 |
| DeadSuperHero | They hardly even mention you. | Apr 09 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Now we have this ACTA mess | Apr 09 00:43 |
| schestowitz | and DEB in the UK | Apr 09 00:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | schestowitz: Actually, pretty much after you rebranded the site as "TechRights", it really kind of opened my eyes that you weren't about just targeting one company. | Apr 09 00:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | Which I think is important. | Apr 09 00:44 |
| DeadSuperHero | There's a lot of really underhanded stuff going on in the tech industry that simply goes unreported. | Apr 09 00:44 |
| satipera | hmm rebranding knows no limits, it can be the new road to damascus (irony) | Apr 09 00:50 |
| DeadSuperHero | Interesting turn of phrase. | Apr 09 00:50 |
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| schestowitz | DeadSuperHero: I never ran "Boycott Novell" | Apr 09 00:56 |
| schestowitz | It wasn't /my/ name | Apr 09 00:56 |
| DeadSuperHero | Then that is my incorrect assumption and I apologize. | Apr 09 00:56 |
| schestowitz | I never liked that banner, either, but I stuck with it while Shane was around | Apr 09 00:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Thumbs up to #Ubuntu for Removing a Part of Microsoft; #TurboHercules Likely a Psystar-Type #Microsoft Shell http://ur1.ca/u6dc | Apr 09 00:56 | |
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| schestowitz | All his Web sites are gone mysteriously | Apr 09 00:56 |
| DeadSuperHero | =/ | Apr 09 00:56 |
| WireWulf | party in the ussa | Apr 09 00:57 |
| schestowitz | OK, well, try to help our goals | Apr 09 00:57 |
| schestowitz | We're probably on the same side anyway | Apr 09 00:57 |
| DeadSuperHero | That's what I've been doing for the last 48 hours. | Apr 09 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Friendly fire has been a distraction (like that troll from ACCESS) | Apr 09 00:58 |
| satipera | for those that have not followed the whole conversation just to explain i am doubting what dsh is saying | Apr 09 00:58 |
| DeadSuperHero | Well, a little more than that, but you'll notice that I recently re-joined FS Daily. | Apr 09 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I noticed. I read all the items there | Apr 09 00:58 |
| DeadSuperHero | And have been working on contributing solid articles. | Apr 09 00:58 |
| schestowitz | I still don't know who komrad is | Apr 09 00:58 |
| DeadSuperHero | Me either, I don't care. | Apr 09 00:58 |
| schestowitz | There was another person like him whom I didn't know | Apr 09 00:59 |
| schestowitz | "Cyberphoenix" | Apr 09 00:59 |
| schestowitz | He vanished | Apr 09 00:59 |
| DeadSuperHero | Meh. | Apr 09 00:59 |
| DeadSuperHero | I just think that FS Daily has been on the negative side lately. While there's nothing wrong with having negative journalism on there, I've made it a personal goal to show the positive side of Free Software. | Apr 09 01:00 |
| DeadSuperHero | Something upbeat that makes people happy. | Apr 09 01:00 |
| schestowitz | It might be the same person who abused the Ubuntu mailing lists, I don't know for sure | Apr 09 01:00 |
| DeadSuperHero | Oh god. | Apr 09 01:00 |
| DeadSuperHero | Mark Fink?\ | Apr 09 01:00 |
| schestowitz | They wrote things differently, so I'm guessing there's no relation | Apr 09 01:00 |
| DeadSuperHero | I actually think I ran into him at OSCON 2009. | Apr 09 01:01 |
| schestowitz | FS Daily is slow these days | Apr 09 01:01 |
| DeadSuperHero | Then again, could be a fairly common name. | Apr 09 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Not much in the front page | Apr 09 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Same in Linux.com news feed | Apr 09 01:01 |
| DeadSuperHero | That's why I've taken interest in contributing to it. | Apr 09 01:01 |
| schestowitz | People on post-Easter vacation | Apr 09 01:01 |
| DeadSuperHero | It's pretty much been my alternative to Digg for quite some time. | Apr 09 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Digg is dead for tech | Apr 09 01:01 |
| schestowitz | Since 2007 | Apr 09 01:01 |
| DeadSuperHero | Unless you want Apple coverage. | Apr 09 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Or Palin | Apr 09 01:02 |
| DeadSuperHero | They have tons of that. | Apr 09 01:02 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ugh. | Apr 09 01:02 |
| DeadSuperHero | Digg used to be great, too. | Apr 09 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Digg CEO has just quit | Apr 09 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Adelson | Apr 09 01:02 |
| DeadSuperHero | Shame. | Apr 09 01:04 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz_log: : ACCESS is not friendly to open source. They took the BeOS code with Cobalt OS locking it away because they couldn't charge high licensing fees while Palm wasn't able to release hardware with it because Sony bailed out. | Apr 09 01:04 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz_log: seriously I hope they wither away for the havoc they wreaked on Palm and the smartphone market because of it. | Apr 09 01:05 |
| DeadSuperHero | Poor Palm... | Apr 09 01:05 |
| DeadSuperHero | Even though their offerings were proprietary, WebOS was really nice. | Apr 09 01:05 |
| satipera | did i really type i am doubting? sounds like a mcdonalds advert, i doubt | Apr 09 01:06 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz_log: was? Palm still has enough of a market to hang on, maybe they'll bring back the Foleo in the form of a WebOS tablet to prop up their shares | Apr 09 01:06 |
| DeadSuperHero | satipera: McDonalds advert? :P | Apr 09 01:07 |
| *schestowitz still uses Palm | Apr 09 01:07 | |
| *Ziodotmatrix is typing this from wIRC on the Prē Plus btw | Apr 09 01:07 | |
| satipera | i am loving it | Apr 09 01:07 |
| DeadSuperHero | XD | Apr 09 01:07 |
| DeadSuperHero | I used to work at McDonalds, absolutely hated it. | Apr 09 01:07 |
| satipera | rather than i love it | Apr 09 01:07 |
| *schestowitz worked at Burger King | Apr 09 01:07 | |
| DeadSuperHero | Probably not much better, I'd imagine. | Apr 09 01:08 |
| DeadSuperHero | Fast food is pretty awful. | Apr 09 01:08 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz_log: I had a Tungsten Tungsten T3 and then Treo 755p but then they broke, the former was totally my fault. | Apr 09 01:08 |
| schestowitz | http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4088 | Apr 09 01:09 |
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| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz_log: cloes | Apr 09 01:09 |
| schestowitz | http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4165 | Apr 09 01:09 |
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| schestowitz | My 2 Palms still work, I use the latter | Apr 09 01:09 |
| schestowitz | synchs ok with jpilot | Apr 09 01:09 |
| schestowitz | I used gpilot and kpilot before | Apr 09 01:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Energy bars are glorified candy" http://huff.to/dmEUGW #sugar #diet #obesity #food | Apr 09 01:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Starbucks is why you're fat" http://huff.to/dmEUGW #sugar #diet #obesity #food | Apr 09 01:09 | |
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| schestowitz | They don't seem to synch well with 2.6 though | Apr 09 01:09 |
| Ziodotmatrix | schestowitz: you think Palm will survive for a few more quarters? | Apr 09 01:10 |
| DeadSuperHero | I hope so. | Apr 09 01:10 |
| schestowitz | They got $100m investment | Apr 09 01:10 |
| DeadSuperHero | Lot of innovation in their handsets and WebOS. | Apr 09 01:10 |
| schestowitz | They have userbase | Apr 09 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Maybe downsized and no new models | Apr 09 01:10 |
| DeadSuperHero | In all honesty, I'm torn between getting one of their phones, an Android phone, or a Nokia N900 | Apr 09 01:11 |
| DeadSuperHero | I could probably do a good amount more with an N900, but good luck finding a carrier for them in the US. | Apr 09 01:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'desserts often have far less #sugar than things we consider "healthy" (juice, yogurt, dried fruit)' http://huff.to/dmEUGW #diet #obesity | Apr 09 01:11 | |
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| Ziodotmatrix | DeadSuperHero: yep, I didn't really have that kind of choice considering the carrier I'm on. But this phone has been great thus far, still peeved Verizon is holding back WebOS patch v1.4.1 which fixes a slew of bugs and patches more memory leaks | Apr 09 01:13 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ugh. | Apr 09 01:13 |
| DeadSuperHero | Verizon. | Apr 09 01:13 |
| DeadSuperHero | They're a good carrier and have great coverage, but man are they dumb about their phones. | Apr 09 01:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Mathewh guys just described #australia as an "english texas". what does that make #canada? // CA is *less* americanised than Australia | Apr 09 01:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@mathewh "English Texas" nails it nicely, methinks. #australia | Apr 09 01:14 | |
| DeadSuperHero | Brb, it's time for me to eat dinner. I'll try and be on later. | Apr 09 01:16 |
| DeadSuperHero | See you! | Apr 09 01:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@riahlahren yep. shocking amounts of sugar in all sodas. doubly appalling that parents train kids to drink them. #coke #sugar #obesity | Apr 09 01:16 | |
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| Ziodotmatrix | DeadSuperHero: I only ran into a bug a few times where I couldn't boot the camera a few times after exiting too quickly and perhaps some stutter sometimes. Yea, they're improving though but I try to avoid their stores as they're typically staffed by jerks. I got mine at a mall kiosk where he gave me 25% off on a case and car charger. They even have 37% off and buy 1 get 1 free on the Touchstone charger while supplies last. I was | Apr 09 01:17 |
| Ziodotmatrix | dratz, just missed him :-P | Apr 09 01:17 |
| Ziodotmatrix | so what else is new? | Apr 09 01:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@riahlahren yep #HFCS is the icing on the cake,so to speak. But whethr #sugar, #aspartame, or HFCS, soda's making 100s of millions sick+fat | Apr 09 01:25 | |
| *Ziodotmatrix goes and plays some Quake | Apr 09 01:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@eikonos #canada is simply a really big version of #scotland // not bad. @mathewh | Apr 09 01:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Tosfm #GWB #Bush 'knew Guantánamo prisoners were innocent' http://bit.ly/9ktiFb Don't miss this // impossible not to know. #torture #war | Apr 09 01:28 | |
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| DeadSuperHero | I'm back. | Apr 09 01:30 |
| DeadSuperHero | We had enchiladas for dinner. | Apr 09 01:30 |
| DeadSuperHero | Nom nom nom nom. | Apr 09 01:30 |
| Ziodotmatrix | back | Apr 09 01:31 |
| Ziodotmatrix | from playing Quake | Apr 09 01:31 |
| DeadSuperHero | lol | Apr 09 01:31 |
| DeadSuperHero | A classic. | Apr 09 01:31 |
| Ziodotmatrix | and avaiable for more OSs and devices then you can ever imagine | Apr 09 01:32 |
| DeadSuperHero | No doubt. | Apr 09 01:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] last tweet about malcolm mclaren, when rotten died of a heroin overdose after killing spungen he treated it all as a marketing opportunity | Apr 09 01:32 | |
| DeadSuperHero | A few days ago I discovered there's this site that highlights a lot of Free Software games. I thought that was really cool. http://gameboom.net/ | Apr 09 01:32 |
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| DeadSuperHero | Some of them are proprietary, but a lot of them are totally Free Software. | Apr 09 01:33 |
| DeadSuperHero | Syntensity's been getting a lot of coverage, that makes me happy. | Apr 09 01:33 |
| Ziodotmatrix | yep but you still have to call and register to unlock all the levels, at least for the Prē | Apr 09 01:34 |
| DeadSuperHero | Huh. | Apr 09 01:34 |
| DeadSuperHero | Oh well. | Apr 09 01:34 |
| Ziodotmatrix | apparently, not sure if it costs anything maybe it's for I'd Software to determine how many WebOS users play it to determine if it's worth making future releases for ;-) | Apr 09 01:35 |
| DeadSuperHero | I wish Id would support Linux with their latest games. | Apr 09 01:36 |
| DeadSuperHero | Rage or whatever it's called seems to be only for MacOS and Windows. | Apr 09 01:36 |
| DeadSuperHero | I still play Doom3 all the time though. | Apr 09 01:37 |
| Ziodotmatrix | if it's for OSX it should be portable to Linux, or just use WINE | Apr 09 01:37 |
| Ziodotmatrix | all their games are OpenGL so no need to worry about DX10 | Apr 09 01:38 |
| *WireWulf wonders if C&C4 would run in wine | Apr 09 01:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu GNU/Linux Claims 12 Million Users, #Fedora 24 Million http://ur1.ca/u6i2 http://ur1.ca/u5ct | Apr 09 01:38 | |
| WireWulf | *DX!! | Apr 09 01:38 |
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| DeadSuperHero | Not too sure if I'm fond of the new C&C. | Apr 09 01:39 |
| Ziodotmatrix | WireWulf: apparently the latest release can run up to DX9 for the latest hardware to handle | Apr 09 01:39 |
| DeadSuperHero | I heard they changed a lot of the gameplay style. | Apr 09 01:39 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'm not too fond of WINE, I really prefer playing natively when possible. | Apr 09 01:39 |
| WireWulf | dont think there will be a linux installer for that game | Apr 09 01:40 |
| Ziodotmatrix | DeadSuperHero: WINE is not an emulator or virtualmachine. | Apr 09 01:40 |
| WireWulf | it is a compadiblity layer | Apr 09 01:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ziodotmatrix: Of course, but let's not kid ourselves. | Apr 09 01:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | Native code is always faster. | Apr 09 01:41 |
| DeadSuperHero | Well, usually anyways. | Apr 09 01:41 |
| DeadSuperHero | There's sometimes the rare exception. | Apr 09 01:41 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'm not even dissing the WINE project, those guys have done an immeasureable service to Linux users. | Apr 09 01:42 |
| WireWulf | system emulation like gba psp can be faster on computers :P | Apr 09 01:42 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'm a fan of Visualboy myself. | Apr 09 01:42 |
| *WireWulf has a hacked psp :P | Apr 09 01:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Skills Cope Well With Disastrous Economy http://ur1.ca/u6if http://ur1.ca/u6ih | Apr 09 01:42 | |
| DeadSuperHero | *high five* | Apr 09 01:42 |
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| WireWulf | i have been told i could run linux on it a few times | Apr 09 01:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | I had Custom Firmware on a PSP myself at one time. Sadly had to sell the damn thing when I was out of a job. | Apr 09 01:43 |
| *Ziodotmatrix wants to have a hacked PS3 after how much Sony decided to screw me | Apr 09 01:43 | |
| DeadSuperHero | Yeah, I heard uClinux works on it. | Apr 09 01:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ziodotmatrix: ditto. | Apr 09 01:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sony Fails to Block Freedom http://ur1.ca/u1f0 http://ur1.ca/u6iq http://ur1.ca/u6it http://ur1.ca/u6iv http://ur1.ca/u6ix | Apr 09 01:43 | |
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| WireWulf | i want to hack my xbox360 but i dont want to re flash it for every game i rip for it | Apr 09 01:44 |
| DeadSuperHero | I want a DreamCast, I hear they have an amazing modding community. | Apr 09 01:45 |
| WireWulf | they do | Apr 09 01:45 |
| WireWulf | NES modding is still around shockingly | Apr 09 01:45 |
| *WireWulf has a snes toaster xD | Apr 09 01:46 | |
| DeadSuperHero | Haha. | Apr 09 01:46 |
| DeadSuperHero | Awesome. | Apr 09 01:46 |
| Ziodotmatrix | brb meal for me | Apr 09 01:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Andre is on Openbytes! Yes for those that missed his MS PR on MicrosoftWatch, he's made a guest appearance - and he doesn't disappoint! | Apr 09 01:46 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Takes me back and a tear in my eye to remember of those "feature rich" comments..great stuff.. www.openbytes.wordpress.com | Apr 09 01:46 | |
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| yuhong | I just installed the latest update to Ubuntu. | Apr 09 01:47 |
| yuhong | I just installed the latest update to Ubuntu 9.10. | Apr 09 01:47 |
| yuhong | The most painful part was the freeing of disk space. | Apr 09 01:47 |
| yuhong | You see, I installed Ubuntu on a 10 gig partition. | Apr 09 01:47 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ah. | Apr 09 01:47 |
| DeadSuperHero | I've been playing with 10.04 since Alpha1. | Apr 09 01:47 |
| WireWulf | yuhong: poor you | Apr 09 01:47 |
| *WireWulf is running sabayon | Apr 09 01:48 | |
| WireWulf | currently | Apr 09 01:48 |
| yuhong | Luckily, deleting the extracted Linux source code (which was going to be updated and thus had to be reextracted anyway) as well as some other files, | Apr 09 01:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktops Matter Less http://www.osnews.com/story/23116/Is_the_Desktop_Becoming_Legacy_ | Apr 09 01:48 | |
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| yuhong | combined with omitting some updates allowed installation. | Apr 09 01:49 |
| yuhong | I am installed the omitted updates now. | Apr 09 01:49 |
| yuhong | To be honest, I remember it took some time to clean the Vista partition before even being able to resize and create the 10 gig partition. | Apr 09 01:50 |
| yuhong | I am installing the omitted updates now. | Apr 09 01:50 |
| WireWulf | Hostname: complex - OS: Linux 2.6.33-sabayon/i686 - CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) (3142.040 MHz) - Processes: 137 - Uptime: 2h 52m - Load Average: 0.03 - Memory Usage: 232.20MB/1002.64MB (23.16%) - Disk Usage: 412.50GB/605.07GB (68.17%) | Apr 09 01:50 |
| yuhong | Out of a total 120 gig hard drive. | Apr 09 01:51 |
| WireWulf | yuhong: nice i have 3 drives binded together | Apr 09 01:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft 's Has Just 6% Market Share in #Itanium http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/18384/1/ | Apr 09 01:51 | |
| *WireWulf needs to clean up his computer and swich to a lighter distro | Apr 09 01:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Deep Look at the Latest #Linux ( #Kernel Space), FirePro V8800 Arrives http://ur1.ca/u6jm http://ur1.ca/u6jn | Apr 09 01:54 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> I am not a Gnome user, but I am tempted to download, try, and write a review for Goblin on Netrunner | Apr 09 02:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] techies, why is abc not 16:9 on uk telly? it looks like 1980's square telly | Apr 09 02:00 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> it would be better for Goblin to do it, I think | Apr 09 02:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC Boasts 600+ Developers, #GNOME Grows Fast http://ur1.ca/u6kn http://ur1.ca/u6ko | Apr 09 02:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [News] Mandriva Has New Leadership, Consider Most New Users-Friendly http://ur1.ca/u6ku http://ur1.ca/u6kv | Apr 09 02:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MacBook Runs #Fedora #GNU #Linux Best http://opotumon.blogspot.com/2010/04/macbook-21-best-linux-distro.html | Apr 09 02:09 | |
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| _goblin | hi all | Apr 09 02:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | My understanding is the Ipad is an ARM device, wondering if anyone can put Linux (Debian) arm on it | Apr 09 02:10 |
| WireWulf | o/ | Apr 09 02:10 |
| DeadSuperHero | Chips_B_Malroy: Possibly. Would be hysterical to get gNewSense working on it. | Apr 09 02:10 |
| DeadSuperHero | Totally rub that in Apple's face even. | Apr 09 02:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian Has Mini Conference Coming, Derivative #SimplyMEPIS 8.5.01 Reviewed http://ur1.ca/u6l0 http://ur1.ca/u6l1 | Apr 09 02:10 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Apr 09 02:10 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: In response to your netrunner tweet - Of course I will, it will be a pleasure. Downloading now. | Apr 09 02:11 |
| WireWulf | i think having FreeBSD run on it would fuck with apple | Apr 09 02:11 |
| _goblin | schestowitz: Ill give it a run and make it an article on Sunday. | Apr 09 02:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hey Goblin | Apr 09 02:12 |
| _goblin | hi! | Apr 09 02:12 |
| _goblin | great to see Andre back! | Apr 09 02:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | glad you going do it, the netrunner | Apr 09 02:12 |
| _goblin | I'll also seed the thing too. | Apr 09 02:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he has not changed | Apr 09 02:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Expands http://www.workswithu.com/2010/04/07/dells-ubuntu-strategy-extends-to-china/ | Apr 09 02:12 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Andre is looking for windows seven articles he can comment on | Apr 09 02:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | shilling | Apr 09 02:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | that is the key words he searches for | Apr 09 02:13 |
| _goblin | and we wouldn't have him any other way! | Apr 09 02:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Increasing Number of #Televisions Running #Linux http://www.handlewithlinux.com/televison-runs-linux | Apr 09 02:14 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Is your tv running Linux? (yet) | Handle With Linux .::. Size~: 30.7 KB | Apr 09 02:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | of course | Apr 09 02:14 |
| DeadSuperHero | Sweet, my article is finally done. | Apr 09 02:15 |
| _goblin | Is there something I should know about Netrunner? Is it created by someone here? | Apr 09 02:15 |
| DeadSuperHero | Anyone care to proofread it before I send it off to FS Daily? | Apr 09 02:15 |
| DeadSuperHero | http://writerofthings.blogspot.com/2010/04/lowering-bar-so-that-everyone-can.html | Apr 09 02:15 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | no mono, based on mint | Apr 09 02:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | wine preinstalled | Apr 09 02:15 |
| _goblin | ah...just that? I got the impression there was more of a reason... | Apr 09 02:15 |
| _goblin | whats the DE, is that Xfce? | Apr 09 02:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | mabye net | Apr 09 02:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Gnome | Apr 09 02:16 |
| _goblin | needs some better web documentation. | Apr 09 02:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well its new | Apr 09 02:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux is Gaining More Than #Apple in Mobile http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/20100407/OPINION/100409993/analyst-angle-android-in-japan | Apr 09 02:16 | |
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| _goblin | Wine is a good idea though, having said that PuppyArcade is a decent all inclusive distro | Apr 09 02:17 |
| _goblin | I interviewed the creator recently. | Apr 09 02:17 |
| _goblin | Scott Jarvis....charming man. | Apr 09 02:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Puppy is good, but I miss DSL | Apr 09 02:17 |
| _goblin | Im back on Wolvix now....I had a short lived stint with Elive. | Apr 09 02:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | AntiX is good | Apr 09 02:18 |
| _goblin | don't you'll set me off distro hopping again and I'll get nothing done. | Apr 09 02:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Kanotix has new prerelease out in Dec | Apr 09 02:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but its kde3.5 | Apr 09 02:19 |
| _goblin | chips can I DM you? | Apr 09 02:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | PM sure | Apr 09 02:19 |
| *WireWulf is now known as WireWulf-away | Apr 09 02:22 | |
| satipera | goblin get a t shirt made up "distro hopper" it may sell | Apr 09 02:22 |
| satipera | must have been done | Apr 09 02:22 |
| _goblin | I would like to market a "Linux Unwashed" | Apr 09 02:24 |
| _goblin | I think that would sell | Apr 09 02:24 |
| _goblin | Geeksheek I think they call it. | Apr 09 02:24 |
| satipera | does linux mean the great? | Apr 09 02:24 |
| _goblin | pass | Apr 09 02:24 |
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| _goblin | or what about "Do unto others as they do unto GNU" | Apr 09 02:25 |
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| satipera | i liked "kill bill" until i saw the film | Apr 09 02:27 |
| DeadSuperHero | _goblin: That made me smile. | Apr 09 02:27 |
| _goblin | lol... | Apr 09 02:33 |
| satipera | nescafe is wearing off night all | Apr 09 02:33 |
| _goblin | I think I'll stick with Linux Unwashed T-shirt idea....its often used by our pro MS friends. | Apr 09 02:33 |
| DeadSuperHero | ew. | Apr 09 02:34 |
| cubezzz | the microsoft astro-turfing is hard to understand | Apr 09 02:36 |
| cubezzz | I guess it's mainly ignorance | Apr 09 02:37 |
| DeadSuperHero | In my experience, it's a complicated matter. | Apr 09 02:38 |
| DeadSuperHero | It's an entirely different mindset and way of thinking. | Apr 09 02:38 |
| DeadSuperHero | Some of them legitimately believe they're in the right for supporting Microsoft, Mono, and all that stuff. | Apr 09 02:38 |
| cubezzz | why? | Apr 09 02:39 |
| DeadSuperHero | And that's fine I guess, but they see the various warnings about Mono as a sort of "Red Scare" | Apr 09 02:39 |
| DeadSuperHero | "You use Mono, you're a horrible person and a bad developer!" | Apr 09 02:39 |
| DeadSuperHero | Or | Apr 09 02:39 |
| DeadSuperHero | "He likes Miguel, he's a shill, he's a bad person, he shouldn't be trusted!" | Apr 09 02:39 |
| DeadSuperHero | And their view is the polar opposite. | Apr 09 02:39 |
| DeadSuperHero | Where "He doesn't like Mono, he's a brainwashed hippie!" comes into play. | Apr 09 02:39 |
| DeadSuperHero | The fact is, both camps are pitted against each other and think their view is the only correct one. | Apr 09 02:40 |
| cubezzz | that doesn't explain why they support Microsoft | Apr 09 02:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | Microsoft's a company like any other. | Apr 09 02:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | Like it or not. | Apr 09 02:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | Granted, they've done terrible things. | Apr 09 02:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | Horrible. | Apr 09 02:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | But when you consider that so many corporations already do horrible things to human rights, the sting of it is kind of nullified. | Apr 09 02:41 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I'm still not getting why any non-stockholder would support Microsoft | Apr 09 02:41 |
| DeadSuperHero | People are made numb to it. | Apr 09 02:41 |
| cubezzz | stockholder, sure I understand that | Apr 09 02:41 |
| cubezzz | but otherwise? | Apr 09 02:41 |
| DeadSuperHero | To that, I'm afraid I have no good answer. | Apr 09 02:41 |
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| cubezzz | ok, or employee I suppose, it's kind of understandable | Apr 09 02:42 |
| DeadSuperHero | Some people like Microsoft's technologies, such as Windows7 or Exchange or .NET or CodePlex or Courier. | Apr 09 02:42 |
| DeadSuperHero | Other people have just only ever really known Microsoft and haven't tried anything different. | Apr 09 02:42 |
| DeadSuperHero | So you kind of have this... | Apr 09 02:43 |
| cubezzz | right, I think that's the main point | Apr 09 02:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | black hole, so to speak. | Apr 09 02:43 |
| cubezzz | they only know the MIcrosoft Universe | Apr 09 02:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | Black hole sounds about right. Just this void where they have absolutely no idea. | Apr 09 02:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | It's all they've ever known. | Apr 09 02:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | Actually, now that I think of it. | Apr 09 02:43 |
| cubezzz | I'm old enough to remember Amiga and Atari and TRS-80's so my view is a lot different | Apr 09 02:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | Socrates has a good parable about it. | Apr 09 02:44 |
| *Ziomatrix no!! covering my ears now, and taps his feet. There's no place like Exchange. There's no place like Exchange! | Apr 09 02:44 | |
| cubezzz | it's the incuriousity I find tasteful | Apr 09 02:44 |
| DeadSuperHero | Basically, assume that for all your life you were raised in a dark cave, chained to the floor. In the darkness you look at shadows and can only see forms in the shadows. | Apr 09 02:44 |
| DeadSuperHero | Now, by some happenstance you find yourself able to leave the cave, and your wandering mind takes you up into the light. | Apr 09 02:44 |
| DeadSuperHero | The light is blinding and shocking. | Apr 09 02:45 |
| cubezzz | Canada is bad for computers after Commodore died | Apr 09 02:45 |
| *WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulf | Apr 09 02:45 | |
| cubezzz | we didn't even get Zaurus | Apr 09 02:45 |
| *Ziomatrix Internet Explorer is the most highly used web browser, and version 6 too so its so good there is no need for many to update. Thats all I need to develope for. | Apr 09 02:45 | |
| cubezzz | we were totally into Commodore in our schools, even Waterloo had them | Apr 09 02:45 |
| DeadSuperHero | But a willingness to experience said light would cause you to see the wonders of the world, and returning to that dark cave would show you how clueless your peers were. | Apr 09 02:45 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: Commodore was in Canada? I thought their North American facilities were in Pensylvania? | Apr 09 02:46 |
| cubezzz | Ziomatrix, we sold them in our stores, that's all :) | Apr 09 02:46 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: ahh thats what you mean, our schools mostly had Apple IIs :( | Apr 09 02:46 |
| cubezzz | I don't think we made any computers actually | Apr 09 02:46 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: Canada should | Apr 09 02:46 |
| cubezzz | the UK had the BBC Micro at least :) | Apr 09 02:46 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ah, memories. | Apr 09 02:47 |
| DeadSuperHero | The UK had some awesome computers back in the day. | Apr 09 02:47 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: there was the ZX Spectrum and that other ARM based computer | Apr 09 02:48 |
| Ziomatrix | ahh yes Acorn | Apr 09 02:48 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure Canada isn't the worse for computers, but we're certainly not the best | Apr 09 02:48 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ziomatrix: The Acorn was awesome. | Apr 09 02:48 |
| Ziomatrix | the Acorn Archimedes was way ahead of its time | Apr 09 02:48 |
| cubezzz | I've heard of it | Apr 09 02:48 |
| Ziomatrix | first 32bit PC ever | Apr 09 02:49 |
| DeadSuperHero | mmm | Apr 09 02:49 |
| cubezzz | at leat the CS grads at Waterloo got to use Sun's | Apr 09 02:49 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'd like to see some distributors pick up on Coreboot and Free Software drivers. That would be totally boss. | Apr 09 02:50 |
| cubezzz | at least | Apr 09 02:50 |
| DeadSuperHero | Speaking of which, let's check the petition... | Apr 09 02:50 |
| cubezzz | DeadSuperHero, I think Tyan does that | Apr 09 02:50 |
| DeadSuperHero | 25 signatures. Sweet. | Apr 09 02:50 |
| DeadSuperHero | cubezzz: I'll check 'em out. ;) | Apr 09 02:51 |
| DeadSuperHero | Hmm, mostly server stuff... | Apr 09 02:51 |
| DeadSuperHero | Some system boards though. | Apr 09 02:51 |
| DeadSuperHero | Overall pretty cool stuff. | Apr 09 02:52 |
| cubezzz | I can either find a totally open regular computer or go Amiga 3000/4000 | Apr 09 02:53 |
| satipera | okay i still can't sleep dsh are you a northener mancunian? | Apr 09 02:53 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'm just hoping System76 opens up and goes with Coreboot. | Apr 09 02:54 |
| DeadSuperHero | I would totally support them if they did. | Apr 09 02:55 |
| cubezzz | if I could program the video down to the register level on a regular computer, then the reason for getting an Amiga diminishes | Apr 09 02:55 |
| DeadSuperHero | Really, I think I just want an open laptop that isn't a netbook. | Apr 09 02:55 |
| satipera | dsh are you a lancastrian? gm | Apr 09 02:55 |
| DeadSuperHero | satipera: huh? | Apr 09 02:55 |
| satipera | where do you come from | Apr 09 02:56 |
| DeadSuperHero | Some backwoods town in the state of Illinois in the US. | Apr 09 02:56 |
| cubezzz | comic books of course :) | Apr 09 02:56 |
| DeadSuperHero | I do love me a solid comic book series. | Apr 09 02:58 |
| DeadSuperHero | DC's "Elseworlds" are particularly enjoyable. | Apr 09 02:58 |
| satipera | dsh fair enough, but the only person i know who has said "totally boss" has been a manc | Apr 09 02:58 |
| DeadSuperHero | satipera: I just like the phrase. It sounds funny. | Apr 09 02:59 |
| satipera | and you heard it where | Apr 09 02:59 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'm pretty sure I heard it on the series "Freeman's Mind" on youtube. | Apr 09 03:01 |
| DeadSuperHero | some kind Machinima thing of Half-Life | Apr 09 03:01 |
| DeadSuperHero | He regularly used over-the-top phrases like that. | Apr 09 03:01 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | gn all | Apr 09 03:08 |
| DeadSuperHero | Chips_B_Malroy: night | Apr 09 03:08 |
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| satipera | well on inspection as usual it turns out it is US slang :) | Apr 09 03:09 |
| DeadSuperHero | :) | Apr 09 03:09 |
| DeadSuperHero | Huh, did everyone disappear? | Apr 09 03:20 |
| Ziomatrix | yep | Apr 09 03:20 |
| DeadSuperHero | Boo. | Apr 09 03:21 |
| Ziomatrix | apparently someone has been pumping Palm stock on buyout rumours: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2010/04/08/is-lenovo-palms-white-knight.aspx | Apr 09 03:22 |
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| DeadSuperHero | Interesting. | Apr 09 03:22 |
| Ziomatrix | DeadSuperHero: but really, Lenovo? | Apr 09 03:23 |
| DeadSuperHero | That's weird. | Apr 09 03:23 |
| Ziomatrix | DeadSuperHero: its not enough they have to start making tracks for themselves do something beyond the Thinkpad line IBM left them | Apr 09 03:24 |
| DeadSuperHero | Not sure what I make of this. | Apr 09 03:24 |
| DeadSuperHero | If Lenovo bought out Palm, what do you reckon would happen? | Apr 09 03:24 |
| Ziomatrix | DeadSuperHero: also Lenovo already is making a Android handset with the wierdest keypad ever: http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/22/lenovo-lephone-launching-in-le-may/ | Apr 09 03:25 |
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| Ziomatrix | apparently its like a dock: http://images4.pocket-lint.com/images/rSjr/photos-lenovo-lephone-android-mobile-0.jpg | Apr 09 03:26 |
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| DeadSuperHero | That looks awful. | Apr 09 03:26 |
| Ziomatrix | heres a better shot: http://cdn.androidcommunity.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lenovo_lephone1.jpg | Apr 09 03:26 |
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| DeadSuperHero | I just can't see that being very comfortable to use. | Apr 09 03:27 |
| DeadSuperHero | Maybe in BackwardsLand where everyone has circular hands and fingers. | Apr 09 03:27 |
| Ziomatrix | surely its not coming to the US because its UI seems to be clashing with a certain patent that has been recently filed though ;-) http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lenovo-lephone_2.jpg | Apr 09 03:27 |
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| DeadSuperHero | That shot actually looks quite nice. | Apr 09 03:28 |
| Ziomatrix | DeadSuperHero: too bad a certain company has declared a monopoly over that kind of GUI | Apr 09 03:30 |
| DeadSuperHero | Yup. | Apr 09 03:30 |
| DeadSuperHero | Definitely a nice Android skin job though. | Apr 09 03:31 |
| Ziomatrix | DeadSuperHero: I wonder if MeeGo will wind up in the N900 replacing Maemo? | Apr 09 03:31 |
| DeadSuperHero | I've wondered about that myself. | Apr 09 03:31 |
| DeadSuperHero | At this point, I'm not even sure what MeeGo will look like. | Apr 09 03:31 |
| DeadSuperHero | Kind of strikes me as weird that Nokia, a Qt company, is teaming up with a GTK-based project. | Apr 09 03:32 |
| Ziomatrix | DeadSuperHero: you think it was good for Nokia to team up with Intel like that? | Apr 09 03:32 |
| DeadSuperHero | I honestly can't say. It's a weird, weird partnership. | Apr 09 03:32 |
| DeadSuperHero | On the other hand though | Apr 09 03:32 |
| DeadSuperHero | With two megacorporations going at developing it, I think they'll come out with something highly polished. | Apr 09 03:33 |
| DeadSuperHero | But then this begs the question | Apr 09 03:33 |
| DeadSuperHero | Go with it in a MID form factor, or mobile phone form factor? | Apr 09 03:33 |
| DeadSuperHero | I've been wanting to try the N900 for a while now. | Apr 09 03:34 |
| Ziomatrix | DeadSuperHero: I think they want both, much like Apple has with pimping out its mini-OSX | Apr 09 03:34 |
| DeadSuperHero | No, not what I meant. That much is apparent. I meant for ME. | Apr 09 03:35 |
| DeadSuperHero | Which one would I personally want more... | Apr 09 03:35 |
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| Ziomatrix | DeadSuperHero: the N900 is still the only smartphone out there that has the fullest web browser that can play flash | Apr 09 03:35 |
| DeadSuperHero | Also, with the mixup of Qt and GTK apps, does that mean they'll just use QGTKStyle to make it look uniform throughout, or will they work on switching to just one toolkit? | Apr 09 03:36 |
| DeadSuperHero | Either wayt | Apr 09 03:37 |
| DeadSuperHero | *way | Apr 09 03:37 |
| DeadSuperHero | Marble looks totally awesome on the N900 | Apr 09 03:37 |
| DeadSuperHero | http://nienhueser.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Screenshot-20100406-220900.png | Apr 09 03:37 |
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| DeadSuperHero | OpenStreetMap and everything. | Apr 09 03:37 |
| Ziomatrix | DeadSuperHero: if only that GPS application they have for it had US maps | Apr 09 03:37 |
| DeadSuperHero | Yeah, it'd be just about perfect then,. | Apr 09 03:37 |
| Ziomatrix | maybe it does, they still sell the feature in the US: http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-n900/specifications#navigation-gn | Apr 09 03:38 |
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| DeadSuperHero | The other thing I'm curious about. | Apr 09 03:38 |
| DeadSuperHero | If MeeGo becomes their main platform... | Apr 09 03:39 |
| DeadSuperHero | what happens to Symbian? | Apr 09 03:39 |
| Ziomatrix | DeadSuperHero: its still around for their base phones, but I think they're looking for a replacement at some point | Apr 09 03:39 |
| DeadSuperHero | With Symbian being Open Source though, and all their efforts to get Qt to work on it, I can't help but wonder what they have in store for it. | Apr 09 03:40 |
| Ziomatrix | DeadSuperHero: Symbian is still one of the most widely used mobile OSs on the planet | Apr 09 03:40 |
| DeadSuperHero | True. | Apr 09 03:41 |
| DeadSuperHero | Just makes me wonder where it fits in with MeeGo and whatnot. | Apr 09 03:41 |
| DeadSuperHero | Ah well. | Apr 09 03:41 |
| DeadSuperHero | Different strokes for different folks. | Apr 09 03:41 |
| Ziomatrix | DeadSuperHero: or different phones, don't forget there's still a world out there where most can't afford or would find no use for a smartphone | Apr 09 03:42 |
| DeadSuperHero | This is true. | Apr 09 03:42 |
| Ziomatrix | DeadSuperHero: and thats what sets Nokia far apart from other mobile phone makers, ecspecially Apple | Apr 09 03:42 |
| DeadSuperHero | Yeah, hadn't thought of it that way. | Apr 09 03:43 |
| DeadSuperHero | I met one of the higher-ups from Nokia that had come to OSCON 2009. He was hanging out with the KDE guys. Nice folks. | Apr 09 03:43 |
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| DeadSuperHero | He mainly ranted about the US economy and what have you, but the phone he showed off was pretty sweet. | Apr 09 03:44 |
| Ziomatrix | DeadSuperHero: lol, we're too poor and into our cellular contracts to deserve such pieces of kit? | Apr 09 03:44 |
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| DeadSuperHero | Nah, in all honesty I don't really remember what he was talking about, except that "Socialism was better" or something like that. | Apr 09 03:45 |
| Ziomatrix | DeadSuperHero: while trying to sell his product, I find that kind of ironic | Apr 09 03:45 |
| DeadSuperHero | Heh. | Apr 09 03:45 |
| DeadSuperHero | I seem to recall he was from Norway or somewhere like that. | Apr 09 03:46 |
| Ziomatrix | DeadSuperHero: wouldn't be surprised considering Nokia HQ is in Helsinki | Apr 09 03:46 |
| Ziomatrix | thats the capital of Finland btw | Apr 09 03:46 |
| DeadSuperHero | The more you know! | Apr 09 03:46 |
| DeadSuperHero | :D | Apr 09 03:46 |
| Ziomatrix | it sure beats trying to say it the Swedish way http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/Sv-Helsingfors.ogg | Apr 09 03:47 |
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| DeadSuperHero | Wow. | Apr 09 03:48 |
| DeadSuperHero | Well, it's a bit late, and I've been hanging around IRC pretty much all afternoon/evening | Apr 09 03:50 |
| DeadSuperHero | I'm gonna go be social for a little while. | Apr 09 03:50 |
| DeadSuperHero | A pleasure talking to you gents, I imagine I'll return eventually. | Apr 09 03:50 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, I might go with the Izip model bike they just closed out | Apr 09 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | they have a bunch of them on sale for the same price as the cheap Walmart Ezips | Apr 09 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | they both use the same battery though, so I won't have any trouble finding those B-) | Apr 09 03:53 |
| satipera | fc is it a battery assisted push bike? | Apr 09 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.gasbike.net/izip_electric_bike_trailz_al_mens.html | Apr 09 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | These guys have a good write-up on why the Izip is better than the Ezip | Apr 09 03:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.eco-wheelz.com/articles/difference-ezip-vs-izip-brand.php | Apr 09 03:56 |
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| DaemonFC | Walmart carries the Ezip | Apr 09 03:56 |
| satipera | would it not be better for everyone concerned if you just pedalled? | Apr 09 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | how is that? | Apr 09 03:57 |
| satipera | more exercise for you and less pollutants | Apr 09 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's electric | Apr 09 03:58 |
| satipera | and | Apr 09 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing to be considered is how the electricity I charge the batteries with was generated | Apr 09 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 09 03:59 |
| satipera | and manufacture, you would be much better off with an ordinary push bike | Apr 09 03:59 |
| satipera | less polution and a bigger heart | Apr 09 04:00 |
| satipera | is there a reason why an ordinary push bike is unsuitable for you | Apr 09 04:01 |
| satipera | I have a push bike , where i go wrong is not getting off my arse and riding it | Apr 09 04:02 |
| satipera | as usual i am happy to know my limitations | Apr 09 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | well, one is that the terrain around town is not really friendly and so I never use the damned thing | Apr 09 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | that or I just hop off and walk it up all the hills | Apr 09 04:04 |
| satipera | walking a bike up hill is okay that is why it is called a push bike | Apr 09 04:05 |
| satipera | fc lets face it you are a gadget addict | Apr 09 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | I think I'll go with the Ezip actually | Apr 09 04:09 |
| satipera | :) | Apr 09 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | the color is better and a steel frame only adds 5 pounds | Apr 09 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | according to the documentation :D | Apr 09 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | satipera: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/detail.gsp?image=http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/69/40/27/01/0069402701190_500X500.jpg&product_id=11988713&iIndex=1&isVariant=false&corpCard=false&type=-9223372036854775808 | Apr 09 04:10 |
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| satipera | steel as opposed to what | Apr 09 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.currietech.com/currie-technologies-ezip-trailz-for-men-electric-bike.php | Apr 09 04:10 |
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| DaemonFC | satipera: Aluminum | Apr 09 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | the izip is 63 pounds and the ezip is 68 pounds | Apr 09 04:10 |
| satipera | do you still get a discount | Apr 09 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | the biggest difference is that the ezip uses a steel frame | Apr 09 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | well, if I get the izip it's going to cost me another $80 to ship | Apr 09 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | and if I get the ezip, Walmart will ship it to the store for free | Apr 09 04:11 |
| satipera | that is a lot of postage | Apr 09 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | yes, I'd rather put it toward a second battery than getting the bike here | Apr 09 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | plus, steel is obviously stronger than aluminum | Apr 09 04:12 |
| satipera | having made the decision i do not blame you | Apr 09 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | makes me thing "more durable" perhaps | Apr 09 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | *think | Apr 09 04:12 |
| satipera | no | Apr 09 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | aluminum probably dents or bends easier | Apr 09 04:13 |
| satipera | it won't be pure aluminium but a mix an alloy | Apr 09 04:13 |
| satipera | like duralumin but not the same | Apr 09 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 09 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | I think the ezip is the better deal though | Apr 09 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's not that much heavier and I get out of $80 to ship it | Apr 09 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Apr 09 04:20 |
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| satipera | I just bought a hdd and postage was 1/6th of price | Apr 09 04:20 |
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| cubezzz | I'm stuck on ncurses for zaurus | Apr 09 04:29 |
| cubezzz | no idea how to program graphics on it | Apr 09 04:29 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Vonster Corporate protectionism or keepng OS running smoothly from the core? /there is no credible technical reason 4 lockdown. NONE #unix | Apr 09 05:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Operating system's sole raison d'être is to support apps. #Unix does that securely. #Apple lockdown: self-interested,customer hostile policy | Apr 09 05:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Oh, and it won't work. #Apple's artificial ghetto is self-defeating, just like every other ghetto *koff* #Microsoft *koff* #ipad #iphone | Apr 09 05:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Apple power tripping is best thing that could happen to #Android and other #open contenders. #google Steve Jobs kicks own goal, for once | Apr 09 05:07 | |
| DaemonFC | satipera: Someone was complaining about how hard it is to replace the rear tire on that bike | Apr 09 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | I was imagining myself pumping some fix-a-flat into it :D | Apr 09 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | satipera: I just bought my bike | Apr 09 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | off of Amazon | Apr 09 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | no shipping fee, evades Indiana sales tax | Apr 09 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 09 05:35 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, yeah man. | Apr 09 05:54 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, that's the one thing that keeps me with amazon. They are much cheaper than their competitors. | Apr 09 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87: Yeah, more and more sites are enforcing state sales tax | Apr 09 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | or charge shipping | Apr 09 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | or both | Apr 09 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | it sucks | Apr 09 05:58 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, that's right. | Apr 09 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | the state takes more of your money every time you do something with it | Apr 09 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | first they take it when you earn it, then they take a percentage of what you spend, then they tax you every year on the property you own | Apr 09 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | then they tax you to own your car every year | Apr 09 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | then they tax the gasoline you drive it with | Apr 09 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | and then they set up toll roads to get to places like Chicago faster | Apr 09 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | this is of course after the Feds take out income tax, Social Security Tax, Medicare Tax, Medicaid Tax | Apr 09 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | and when you die, they tax your heirs on whatever you leave them | Apr 09 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I don't feel guilty when I avoid Indiana sales tax and save $30 on a bicycle | Apr 09 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | the state will get it sooner or later | Apr 09 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | as soon as it's out there, it's only a matter of time :) | Apr 09 06:02 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, that's what I really enjoy when listening to George Carlin on Youtube. | Apr 09 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Apr 09 06:03 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, want me to get you a link? | Apr 09 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | I just think there's too many layers of taxation | Apr 09 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | they should choose one way to tax people and get it all like that | Apr 09 06:05 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q | Apr 09 06:07 |
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| Omar87 | DaemonFC, he doesn't really mention taxes literally, but you can get the idea. | Apr 09 06:08 |
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| DaemonFC | He's funny, but Indiana courts don't make you swear an oath on the bible | Apr 09 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt any other state could force it either | Apr 09 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | you can affirm that you will tell the truth | Apr 09 06:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Oh, and console mods might land you 10 years in jail, in #Canada, anyway. http://bit.ly/bnjKWg #sony #ps3 #xbox #rcmp Next: #ipad & #iphone? | Apr 09 06:42 | |
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| cubezzz | what? | Apr 09 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: ? | Apr 09 06:45 |
| cubezzz | modding a video game console gets you 10 years in jail? | Apr 09 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | in Canada apparently | Apr 09 06:47 |
| *DaemonFC checks the map and determines he's not in Canada | Apr 09 06:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I can't be the only one to notice how useless #Safari's Activity window is. | Apr 09 06:50 | |
| cubezzz | counterfeiting is illegal period | Apr 09 06:53 |
| cubezzz | modding shouldn't be illegal | Apr 09 06:53 |
| cubezzz | bad journalism, bad article | Apr 09 06:56 |
| MinceR | "I can't be the only one to notice how useless #Safari is." -- There, fixed that for you. | Apr 09 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Apple has no concern with Safari's security issues that crop up on Windows | Apr 09 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | they're even worse about fixing security holes than Microsoft is | Apr 09 07:09 |
| MinceR | neither do they with any other sorts of security issues | Apr 09 07:10 |
| MinceR | i know | Apr 09 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | Apple's unconcern with security is frightening | Apr 09 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | well, I can only speak of their products on Windows because I'll be damned if I'm buying a Mac | Apr 09 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | installing some things of theirs has led to Windows not booting | Apr 09 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | like when their Bonjour service snagged on Vista SP2 and stopped it from reaching a usable desktop | Apr 09 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | then they took over 3 weeks to fix that | Apr 09 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | the instructions to get Windows to start back up were fairly involved too | Apr 09 07:12 |
| MinceR | they also like to install additional apps you didn't ask for | Apr 09 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, this guy reviewing the ezip trailz bicycle has the Windows 98 OOBE music playing | Apr 09 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | weird... | Apr 09 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I noticed the paint mixing station at Walmart has Vista | Apr 09 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 09 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | The British government encourages British tourists to break the law if they visit the United States and are involved in a rear end collision | Apr 09 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | "If hit from behind while driving, indicate to the other driver to follow you to a public place and call 911 for Police help." | Apr 09 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | leaving the scene of an accident | Apr 09 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | a felony in most states | Apr 09 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | "Do not make flippant remarks about bombs or terrorism, especially when passing through US airports." | Apr 09 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 09 08:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] are you asking "Right to Software" form your Government - http://right-to-software.org #foss #campaign #RT #opensource #gov #India | Apr 09 08:00 | |
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| DaemonFC | "Laws vary from state to state, including speed limits and the age of consent. So does the age at which you may legally buy and consume alcohol, but this is usually 21 years." | Apr 09 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | Actually, drinking age doesn't vary, it's 21 in all states | Apr 09 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | speed limit can change on any road at any time | Apr 09 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | age of consent really only means that you might be charged with a lesser crime | Apr 09 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | you're not an adult until age 18 | Apr 09 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | this whole page is full of bad advice or stating the obvious :P | Apr 09 08:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks With #GNU #Linux Spread Through #OLPC , #IBM http://ur1.ca/u7ts http://ur1.ca/u7tt http://ur1.ca/u7tv | Apr 09 08:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Proprietary Software #Licensing Turns Out to be Worse Than Commonly Conceived http://ur1.ca/tvy3 | Apr 09 08:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Well, that should have been a #followfriday. Try an eclectic cocktail of @spymaami @tosfm @edwardvirtually @nataliecastoro | Apr 09 08:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA has got some nerve. Mixing trademarks in drugs with copyright over music to hide yet propagandise the latter. | Apr 09 09:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Power to Standard, Inter-operable Programming with C, #HTML5 http://ur1.ca/u85g http://ur1.ca/u85h | Apr 09 09:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] I have had family from Indiana visiting all week and we haven't felt a single quake. :( | Apr 09 09:07 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: C is number one! - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 133.7 KB | Apr 09 09:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NetNeutrality Debate Heats Up at #FCC http://ur1.ca/u863 http://ur1.ca/u864 | Apr 09 09:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Magazine Criticises MSBBC for #DRM http://bit.ly/cyHeG3 | Apr 09 09:10 | |
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| TechrightsBot | Title: The BBC, DRM and the demise (?) of get_iplayer .::. Size~: 58.08 KB | Apr 09 09:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple LOVES #IntellectualMonopolies , Sidles with the Dark Side http://techdirt.com/articles/20100407/1139028914.shtml #badapple | Apr 09 09:11 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Could Copyright Hold Back iPad Sales In Canada And Elsewhere? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 42.75 KB | Apr 09 09:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Not Honoured by Politicians http://ur1.ca/u86m http://ur1.ca/u6x7 | Apr 09 09:13 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Pirate Party UK - Do as we say, not as we do .::. Size~: 17.99 KB | Apr 09 09:13 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'level of taxes or the number of federal agencies is by no means the only measure of #freedom' http://tr.im/UQKp @david_boaz via @normative | Apr 09 09:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Propaganda Comes from #EBay , Justifying "Chinese Internet" Using "Fake Drugs" Nonsense http://ur1.ca/u86z | Apr 09 09:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] '"Americans used to be free,but now we're not" is a historical argument that doesn't ring true' http://tr.im/UQKp @david_boaz via @normative | Apr 09 09:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Passed flight review. Still know how to feather an engine. Ready for flight Wed. | Apr 09 09:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'we'd better stop talking as if we think the straight white male perspective is the only one that matters' @david_boaz http://tr.im/UQKp | Apr 09 09:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux for the Mainframe Turns 10 http://ur1.ca/u878 | Apr 09 09:18 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Up from Slavery - Reason Magazine .::. Size~: 558.16 KB | Apr 09 09:19 |
| -TechrightsBot/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux for the Mainframe Turns 10 http://ur1.ca/u878 | Apr 09 09:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'actually important—the exercise of arbitrary power over others. ..slavery+conscription..loom very large' http://tr.im/UQKp @david_boaz | Apr 09 09:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CreativeCommons Starts Addressing #Patents http://ur1.ca/u886 | Apr 09 09:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Stop Wasting Money On Patents" http://erikjheels.com/?p=2167 | Apr 09 09:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Digital Economy Bill a Travesty, Lesson in Failed Democracy http://ur1.ca/u88i http://ur1.ca/u88j http://ur1.ca/u88k | Apr 09 09:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More White-collar Crime? Darl Gives #SCO More Money http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100407163945117 | Apr 09 09:30 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Groklaw - Darl Buys (Not Licenses) SCO's Mobility Assets for $100,000 - Updated 4Xs .::. Size~: 315.39 KB | Apr 09 09:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gordon Brown Hangs Out With Convicted Software Monopolist http://ur1.ca/u88w | Apr 09 09:31 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.rd.com/your-america-inspiring-people-and-stories/diplomatic-immunity-going-too-far/article30238.html | Apr 09 09:40 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Diplomatic Immunity Going Too Far: Diplomatic Impunity | Michael Crowley | Reader's Digest .::. Size~: 117.71 KB | Apr 09 09:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] @schestowitz alpha website is ready -> "Right to software " need your comment http://right-to-software.org | Apr 09 09:45 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Right to Software | .::. Size~: 12.58 KB | Apr 09 09:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@JPBarlow must go through this UK passport line even tho I'm just changing planes //u're aware foreigners require *visas* to connect in US? | Apr 09 09:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Is it because he's using an Apple Laptop as stand for the iPad? #iPadFail @basemaggad | Apr 09 09:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Filing a patent application is a waste of time and energy. Especially for startups. Better spent on hiring programmers: http://ur1.ca/u8cw | Apr 09 10:01 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Stop Wasting Money On Patents @ErikJHeels .::. Size~: 47.45 KB | Apr 09 10:01 |
| Omar87 | Cool! The bot got a nice new name! ;) | Apr 09 10:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @eduvid nice site, pls don't use the word "piracy" | Apr 09 10:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Where I live I have the power of 0.2 votes. :( See your result at http://voterpower.org.uk #GE2010 #VPI | Apr 09 10:04 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Discover how much power you have as a UK voter in your constituency .::. Size~: 8.54 KB | Apr 09 10:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The British PM allows himself to be associated with a company that engages in crime http://ur1.ca/u8dx #microsoft #blair #billgates | Apr 09 10:13 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Gordon Brown Goes to Microsoft | Techrights .::. Size~: 83.46 KB | Apr 09 10:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-04-08-033-35-NW-MS-0000 "This is what I get from what I read everywhere (and Roy, please keep up your excelent work, solely comparable maybe to PJ's noble fight)." | Apr 09 10:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Linux Today - Microsoft's Violation of the Law Costing Fines in Wisconsin, But Fines Paid Back .::. Size~: 71.35 KB | Apr 09 10:17 |
| schestowitz | :-D | Apr 09 10:17 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Opinions on #Ubuntu 10.04 Window Buttons (Poll) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/44396 | Apr 09 10:21 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9175038/Oracle_set_to_disclose_MySQL_plans_next_week | Apr 09 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Oracle set to disclose MySQL plans next week .::. Size~: 118.78 KB | Apr 09 10:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 09 10:27 |
| schestowitz | MySQL users are set to receive fresh information about Oracle's road map for the open-source database during a keynote address by chief corporate architect Edward Screven at Tuesday's O'Reilly MySQL Conference & Expo in Santa Clara, California. | Apr 09 10:27 |
| schestowitz | "We're looking forward to outlining our plans for MySQL and providing the development community with deeper insight into the enhancements they can expect right now and moving forward," Screven said in a statement released Thursday. | Apr 09 10:27 |
| schestowitz | MySQL "is strategic to Oracle," he added. | Apr 09 10:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 09 10:27 |
| schestowitz | I have many mysql dbs and this is important to almost any Web site..... | Apr 09 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Any Web site that's not closed-source anyway | Apr 09 10:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] @schestowitz actually in India, 'piracy' is famous word. people think sharing software is piracy. campaign aim to remove this confusion | Apr 09 10:28 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9175058/IBM_says_it_won_t_sue_to_protect_open_source_patents_ | Apr 09 10:31 |
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| schestowitz | Spinners | Apr 09 10:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @eduvid you can't remove a confusion by repeating the terms, according to RMS | Apr 09 10:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @eduvid http://webmink.com/2010/04/05/copying/ | Apr 09 10:32 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: ✠Copying Is Not Theft; Saying It Is IS Spin « Wild Webmink .::. Size~: 34.14 KB | Apr 09 10:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] International Business Methods (IBM): http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/ibm-logo-twist.png | Apr 09 10:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Phipps: So many prominent people are giving IBM a free pass rather than asking serious questions about serious actions http://ur1.ca/u8kz | Apr 09 10:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @zoobab: Phipps: So many prominent ppl giving IBM free pass rather than asking serious questions about serious actions http://ur1.ca/u8kz | Apr 09 10:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Japanese Video Game Guru Says Console Days Are Numbered http://techdirt.com/articles/20100407/1725458918.shtml fascinating | Apr 09 11:00 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Japanese Video Game Guru Says Console Days Are Numbered | Techdirt .::. Size~: 61.62 KB | Apr 09 11:00 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/04/08/is-ibm-splitting-hairs-with-open-source/ | Apr 09 11:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab watch the comments where Matt Asay is once again defending a business partner, IBM. | Apr 09 11:01 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Is IBM splitting hairs with open source? .::. Size~: 30.51 KB | Apr 09 11:01 |
| schestowitz | "Either the lawyers got a little over-excited in creating the non-exclusive list of patents used to threaten TurboHercules and included two patents covered by the Non-Assertion statement; or IBM thinks they’re free to sue the company, and not the open source project itself, for the patent infringement. My guess is it’s the latter." | Apr 09 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Like Apple versus HTC | Apr 09 11:02 |
| Ender2070 | one victory | Apr 09 11:04 |
| Ender2070 | no more bing in ubuntu | Apr 09 11:04 |
| Ender2070 | http://search.slashdot.org/story/10/04/08/1528216/Firefox-Search-In-Ubuntu-1004-Changed-To-Google | Apr 09 11:07 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot Search Story | Firefox Search In Ubuntu 10.04 Changed To Google .::. Size~: 144.77 KB | Apr 09 11:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0410/723100.html | Apr 09 11:07 |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: yes, probably because of the pressure | Apr 09 11:07 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is not a democracy, it's "mob justice" | Apr 09 11:08 |
| Ender2070 | the users wanted google | Apr 09 11:08 |
| Ender2070 | i tried the beta | Apr 09 11:11 |
| Ender2070 | i think its a bad idea having the buttons on the left | Apr 09 11:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Just as you were becoming comfortable with letting others know... More for 160091 http://twittascope.com/twittascope/?sign=11 | Apr 09 11:14 | |
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| Ender2070 | fedora 13 should hit beta in a few days | Apr 09 11:16 |
| Ender2070 | there was a delay | Apr 09 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | Ewwww... Glenn Beck on cover of Forbes! http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0426/finance-goldman-sachs-banks-prop-trading-market-trends.html?boxes=Homepagechannels | Apr 09 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-substantially-all-assets-of-bankrupt-video-site-veoh-sold-to-qlipso/ | Apr 09 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Substantially All Assets Of Bankrupt Video Site Veoh Sold To Qlipso| paidContent .::. Size~: 28.59 KB | Apr 09 11:30 |
| schestowitz | http://kara.allthingsd.com/20100408/exclusive-yahoo-eyes-ex-microsoft-exec-blake-irving-for-top-product-and-tech-job/ | Apr 09 11:30 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Exclusive: Yahoo Eyes Ex-Microsoft Exec Blake Irving for Top Product and Tech Job; CTO Balogh to Leave | Kara Swisher | BoomTown | AllThingsD .::. Size~: 56.45 KB | Apr 09 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Ah! | Apr 09 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo is just becoming like a department of Microsoft over time | Apr 09 11:30 |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-gannetts-chief-digital-officer-saridakis-quits/ | Apr 09 11:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@wesbenterprise #Aspartame triggers several mechanisms that lead to weight gain. Apart from that, it and metabolites are damaging to system | Apr 09 11:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple's latest push with a poor product is an attempt at PR for self-fulfilling prophecies | Apr 09 11:32 | |
| schestowitz | daemonfox is going political... http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/an-open-letter-to-bob-mcdonnell-governor-of-the-us-state-of-virginia/ | Apr 09 11:33 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: An open letter to Bob Mcdonnell, Governor of the US state of Virginia « Ryans Blog .::. Size~: 39.27 KB | Apr 09 11:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@wesbenterprise #aspartame triggers liver etc, but calories don't arrive, which deficit u tend to make up in other ways. Soda->food crave | Apr 09 11:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@wesbenterprise For a roundup on #health concerns re #aspartame (wealth of research), see http://holisticmed.com/aspartame/ #diet #obesity | Apr 09 11:34 | |
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| schestowitz | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/04/08/confederate-history-month-continued-the-andersonville-georgia-death-camp/ | Apr 09 11:35 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Confederate History Month continued; The Andersonville, Georgia Death Camp « Ryans Blog .::. Size~: 40.44 KB | Apr 09 11:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Any Michael Jackson fans should get themselves over to my site. Andre Da Costa Microsoft MVP thinks he can speak for the family and Michael. | Apr 09 11:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Openbytes - The Linux/FOSS Blogazine (hangout for people who speak on behalf of Michael Jackson?!?) http://tinyurl.com/knvxnm | Apr 09 11:38 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 84.26 KB | Apr 09 11:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Moving on, I have work late today. Im hoping for a Q&A session with Mr Da Costa (Microsoft MVP)...... | Apr 09 11:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin Openbytes - The Linux/FOSS Blogazine http://tinyurl.com/knvxnm | Apr 09 11:40 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 84.27 KB | Apr 09 11:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] More #followfriday. Try @meghantelpner (nutritionist+allround genius), and who I randomly now dub "Mr Darcy in Space": @sean_m_maher | Apr 09 11:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Since Andre seems to be able to talk with the dead, is there any celebrity who's passed away that you would like to ask any questions of? | Apr 09 11:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] goes to wash dishes | Apr 09 11:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Maybe we can find out what Elvis's OS of choice is? Come on Andre, find out for us. What about Marylin Monroe? | Apr 09 11:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] If you want to consider the worth of the Microsoft MVP program,one of their members talks on behalf of dead celebrities #microsoft #windows | Apr 09 11:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Enough of that though. Im looking at a very decent new distro... Netrunner....feature to follow shortly. | Apr 09 11:45 | |
| schestowitz | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/04/08/149245/Foursquare-Turns-Down-100M | Apr 09 11:47 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot News Story | Foursquare Turns Down $100M .::. Size~: 147.67 KB | Apr 09 11:47 |
| schestowitz | http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/04/08/0439202/Geohot-Brings-Other-OS-Support-To-PS3-With-Custom-Firmware?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | Apr 09 11:49 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot Games Story | Geohot Brings Other OS Support To PS3 With Custom Firmware .::. Size~: 155.71 KB | Apr 09 11:50 |
| schestowitz | "Geohot even says that the custom firmware might actually enable the other OS feature on the PS3 Slim, but he hasn't yet had a chance to try it out."" | Apr 09 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Great news | Apr 09 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Slim too! | Apr 09 11:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin I'm looking at a very decent new distro... #Netrunner ....feature to follow shortly. > #Ubuntu without #Mono | Apr 09 11:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@spymaami I have a date. I should go home, right? & probably wax? It is likely to be a wasted effort though. //it grows back THAT quickly? | Apr 09 11:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @alomshaha Tories really will make the rich richer: http://bit.ly/bIJLzx // it's whut they for, innit? | Apr 09 11:54 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: If you're looking for class war, you can find it - in David Cameron's policies : Johann Hari .::. Size~: 21.68 KB | Apr 09 11:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@wesbenterprise #Splenda is covered well here: http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/ but I haven't personally looked into it. #diet #health | Apr 09 11:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] @_goblin @schestowitz same here - See part A , toberemove section http://bit.ly/aAU63o | Apr 09 11:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] @_goblin @schestowitz same here See part A , toberemove section http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=t1f_NHUY0UoEeK9NukBaCTQ&output=html | Apr 09 11:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to my tune of the week.... Voodoo by Godsmack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SSUQxGjZZ4 | Apr 09 12:02 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Playing "vadai" "paayaasam" in office #funfriday | Apr 09 12:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@wesbenterprise #Splenda looks horrific http://bit.ly/JOq8U #sucralose is #chlorocarbon, like #DDT; attacks metabolism,brain+nervous system | Apr 09 12:03 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: THE LETHAL SCIENCE OF SPLENDA .::. Size~: 6.8 KB | Apr 09 12:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] ...according to Dr James Bowen, who spent 20 yrs researching sweeteners after #aspartame use led to Lou Gehrig's disease http://bit.ly/JOq8U | Apr 09 12:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@wesbenterprise Look at natural sweeteners such as #stevia ; @meghantelpner's site probably has more suggestions | Apr 09 12:05 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: THE LETHAL SCIENCE OF SPLENDA .::. Size~: 6.8 KB | Apr 09 12:05 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/7034/1/ | Apr 09 12:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @_the_mad_hatter I haven't used FF for a while (Chromium is my choice) however those plugins sound tempting..... | Apr 09 12:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @satipera that was one of the plugins that as a Chromium user I saw as tempting.... | Apr 09 12:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @eduvid @_goblin @schestowitz same here See part A , toberemove section http://ur1.ca/u9aw #mono | Apr 09 12:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@alomshaha I wasn't really complaining that your tweet was obvious; the reality is as always, more complex :-) #uk #politics | Apr 09 12:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@alomshaha your point is well taken that you have to watch vested interests like a bloody hawk... they thrive everywhere | Apr 09 12:11 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/development/nzoss-expects-powerful-opposition-to-patent-reform | Apr 09 12:12 |
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| schestowitz | "In response, Harrison says many members who also develop proprietary software support the exclusion and patents are harmful to all software development houses. " | Apr 09 12:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "Cameron...called George Osborne "oik" because he had gone to £20K-a-year StPauls, not £30K-a-year Eton" via @alomshaha http://bit.ly/bIJLzx | Apr 09 12:13 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: If you're looking for class war, you can find it - in David Cameron's policies : Johann Hari .::. Size~: 21.68 KB | Apr 09 12:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] To a kid born in east #London, glistening towers of the City – 10-min walk away – may as well be on a different planet http://bit.ly/bIJLzx | Apr 09 12:14 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: If you're looking for class war, you can find it - in David Cameron's policies : Johann Hari .::. Size~: 21.68 KB | Apr 09 12:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@alomshaha It would be catastrophic if #Tories win. But look at #Canada, which elected dangerous twit #Harper, much to its detriment. :-( | Apr 09 12:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "David Cameron's policies will take money from hard-working majority of Brits, and hand it to his friends" #uk #tories http://bit.ly/bIJLzx | Apr 09 12:17 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: If you're looking for class war, you can find it - in David Cameron's policies : Johann Hari .::. Size~: 21.68 KB | Apr 09 12:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Ja? | Apr 09 12:21 | |
| schestowitz | This guy is a very good amateur film-maker: http://www.youtube.com/user/Saturninefilms#p/u | Apr 09 12:25 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @qu1j0t3 "David Cameron's policies will take money from hard-working majority of Brits" #uk #tories http://bit.ly/bIJLzx | Apr 09 12:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 West VA Mine Disaster: #Massey CEO Blankenship Spent Millions to Influence State Supreme Court http://bit.ly/9s2EEZ // wow. | Apr 09 12:48 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7OEzyEfzgg | Apr 09 12:58 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @greenpeaceuk US-Russia nuclear pact means #UK can delay #Trident renewal,analysts say http://ow.ly/1woTo //a piece of good news at last | Apr 09 12:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Weheeee Ubuntu Netbook Edition booting in a 4GB USB stick on my O2 Joggler \o/ | Apr 09 13:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] How I can auto update my twitter to identica - http://identi.ca/eduvid (i only know reverse) #identica #twitter | Apr 09 13:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This very old video helps in explaining the LHC experiments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnzB_IHGyjg&feature=related | Apr 09 13:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] I am bundling pdfs from http://en.flossmanuals.net into single File - any suggestion name? "A Practical Guide to Open Source Applications" ? | Apr 09 13:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Taking things out of context to create FUD on IBM's commitment to open source is shameful and facts-twisting http://ur1.ca/u9qk | Apr 09 13:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Helping to seed Netrunner...Why not help?...Lets support a great new Linux project! http://www.netrunner-os.com/?page_id=3 #foss #gnu #linux | Apr 09 13:42 | |
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| schestowitz | About RMS as "open source": http://twitter.com/henningsprang/statuses/11876167293 | Apr 09 13:44 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Twitter / Henning Sprang: @schestowitz that's his ve ... .::. Size~: 10.83 KB | Apr 09 13:44 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz that's his very own problem - what he does matches most people's understanding of what this description means :)" | Apr 09 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Some people just don't understand | Apr 09 13:44 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: what do you make of it? | Apr 09 13:46 |
| schestowitz | [SJVN's piece] | Apr 09 13:47 |
| schestowitz | "@mjasay I agree with PJ re Turbo's affiliation, but IBM's use of #swpat is not acceptable. It's not new, either. IBM lobbies for swpats" | Apr 09 13:50 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/mjasay/status/11877953420 "@schestowitz Um, I was tweeting PJ's perspective on IBM. I suppose she's hopelessly biased, too? Paranoia doesn't suit you" | Apr 09 13:50 |
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| zoobab | Groklaw is the IBM press department | Apr 09 13:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The invention of a "Windows-style" display for computer screens makes it patentable: http://ur1.ca/u9tu | Apr 09 14:01 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: OPINION: Computer software not patentable says select committee report - News & Publications from A J Park .::. Size~: 16.84 KB | Apr 09 14:01 |
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| Adus | How are my crazy Microsoft haters doing today? | Apr 09 14:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The "As such" in the European Patent Convention: this wording was specifically to allow patents for embedded software http://ur1.ca/u9tu | Apr 09 14:04 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: OPINION: Computer software not patentable says select committee report - News & Publications from A J Park .::. Size~: 16.84 KB | Apr 09 14:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SchoolOS to Remove #Mono , #Apple ‘Blocks’ #MonoTouch http://ur1.ca/u9us #novell #microsoft #trojan | Apr 09 14:10 | |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* "According to the report, software cannot be inventive because it builds on existing software. However, all technological developments, in whatever field, build on technology which has gone before." | Apr 09 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait!! | Apr 09 14:14 |
| schestowitz | This is serious? | Apr 09 14:14 |
| schestowitz | I assumed this was April Fool's | Apr 09 14:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Reading my way through Suarez's fiendishly awesome techno-thriller. #Daemon! xD | Apr 09 14:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] All the big guys are flying to New Zealand to send their lobbyists and patent lawyers to lobby for software patents: http://ur1.ca/u9x5 | Apr 09 14:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@pmross feel like taking #FireFox down to the local vets & having it put down //I went thru that on #linux&#osx; swapped for #Opera,#Safari | Apr 09 14:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] too scared to look at data usage on @internode 3G; think we'll have chewed thru 5GB about 2 wks early :-/ even w/o #youtube and #skype video | Apr 09 14:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Distro maker must focus on nautilus-scripts , Everybody love to have everything at right click #foss #gnome #usability | Apr 09 15:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More of #Microsoft Sought to Manage #Yahoo (Coup D’état) http://ur1.ca/ua3z classic Microsoft, for shame | Apr 09 15:15 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: More of Microsoft Sought to Manage Yahoo! (Coup Détat) | Techrights .::. Size~: 88.12 KB | Apr 09 15:16 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/mjasay/statuses/11878273192 | Apr 09 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz We can agree that swpats are counterproductive (I do agree) but while we have them, IBM's action was w/in bounds" | Apr 09 15:20 |
| schestowitz | @mjasay swpats are our #1 /invisible/ barrier (see Amazon deal for example); #IBM is not always helping | Apr 09 15:20 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/mjasay/statuses/11878292125 | Apr 09 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Not saying that it was morally superior in doing so, but I don't want it smacked around for this when it does so much good" | Apr 09 15:21 |
| schestowitz | "@mjasay yes, but remember that software patents are legal in just a handful of countries. #IBM makes it worse, not better (ULPS for example)" | Apr 09 15:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] "It's called The American Dream, because you're gonna have to be asleep to believe it." ~George Carlin | Apr 09 15:28 | |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: LOL | Apr 09 15:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @wikileaks: Stop spinning about RPGs; permission to kill everyone was given BEFORE the word was mentioned. http://collateralmurder.com/ | Apr 09 15:46 | |
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| Omar87 | schestowitz, :-) | Apr 09 15:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NewZealand ’s Software Industry Under Attack by the ‘Patent Leeches’ http://ur1.ca/uaah #swpat #microsoft #foss | Apr 09 16:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] what more you need to learn inkscape - best website http://post.ly/Z2vZ | Apr 09 16:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Techrights responds to people who believe that #IBM should be left alone after using #softwarepatents http://ur1.ca/uah5 | Apr 09 16:44 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Why IBM Does Deserve Scrutiny | Techrights .::. Size~: 93.26 KB | Apr 09 16:44 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-04-08-031-35-OP-BZ-LL see comments | Apr 09 16:47 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @abuyazan: غزة تغرق في الظلام مجددا -- توقف محطة توليد الكهرباء "الوحيدة" في غزة عن العمل #Israel #Palestine | Apr 09 16:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @wikileaks: "Collateral Murder" company veteran speaks out | Press Release http://bit.ly/8Xa3sL | Apr 09 16:51 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Veteran of "Collateral Murder" Company Speaks Out | CommonDreams.org .::. Size~: 30.34 KB | Apr 09 16:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-04-08-033-35-NW-MS-0001 | Apr 09 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-04-08-031-35-OP-BZ-LL-0002 | Apr 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 09 16:54 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Linux Today - Get Off IBM's Back Already! .::. Size~: 73.28 KB | Apr 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Despite Mueller's assertion to the | Apr 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | contrary, consumers don't own proprietary software they | Apr 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | have licensed. That's something some people consider | Apr 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | to be a problem of proprietary software in general and | Apr 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | the proposed solution is to replace it with free | Apr 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | software. Otherwise, if IBM customers should be allowed | Apr 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | to make copies of IBM software in violation of the | Apr 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | license, why shouldn't anyone else be allowed to do so, | Apr 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | too, IOW, where's the antitrust complaint against | Apr 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft for being the sole provider of Windows? | Apr 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | After all, certainly everyone who has access to a | Apr 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | copy could also be selling copies at a very | Apr 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | competitive price. | Apr 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-04-08-031-35-OP-BZ-LL-0001 | Apr 09 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | "Most here are missing the crucial point that the US patents IBM is threatening with, have zero legal value in France where TurboHercules is based, so unless TurboHercules has a US branch, it can merrily ignore any such letters from IBM." | Apr 09 16:55 |
| naboolee | oh great..has anyone heard about being hacked on gmail by south korea ?lol | Apr 09 17:00 |
| naboolee | not that I care..nothing much of interest for them to grab.but still its rather disturbing on some level ;)) | Apr 09 17:01 |
| naboolee | emails for sale LOL < what next> | Apr 09 17:01 |
| naboolee | maybe M$ is attacking gmail to get hotmail to seem 'safer' ?? lol | Apr 09 17:03 |
| naboolee | yahoomail whomever <ha> | Apr 09 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/NoSnooping.html | Apr 09 17:10 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody @glynwintle Tom Watson: You could reduce infringement by 70%, but not increase profit for rights holders #debill | Apr 09 17:10 | |
| schestowitz | neighborlee: any link? | Apr 09 17:11 |
| neighborlee | not atm | Apr 09 17:11 |
| schestowitz | The MAFIAA only at the White House: http://www.ustr.gov/about-us/press-office/blog/2010/april/new-letters-regarding-acta-now-online | Apr 09 17:11 |
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| neighborlee | just came across it on gmail account | Apr 09 17:11 |
| schestowitz | They hide all the letters opposing ACTA | Apr 09 17:12 |
| schestowitz | What a bunch of | Apr 09 17:12 |
| neighborlee | well you know..we can all thank that system from gaining any steam at all ,due to a way of doing things that condones greed and personal gain over sharing resources vs 'capitalizing' on them,,its not shocking though certainly leaves a bad taste doesn't it ;) | Apr 09 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | Watch this photo: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1264590/Judge-slams-police-pulling-motorists-tackling-crime.html | Apr 09 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | The judges here need to wear costumes that make them look like drag queens | Apr 09 17:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody @mjasay @maslett agreed; but IBM's letter said "hey, we have this interesting list of patents..." | Apr 09 17:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Can anyone #fedora confirm that the proper way to use kvm here is qemu-kvm? If so, I get instant reboot after a few seconds on my amd turion | Apr 09 17:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #fedora Instant *host*domain* reboot.... | Apr 09 17:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @wikileaks "Collateral Murder" company veteran speaks out | Press Release http://bit.ly/8Xa3sL #iraq | Apr 09 17:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Learn Hindi Alphabets complete #hindi #olpc #foss http://kakhaga.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/main.html | Apr 09 17:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] New Shot Of Jaq! Web vs. Desktop - http://is.gd/blOAp #shotofjaq | Apr 09 17:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] qemu-kvm -m 512MB -hda file.img -cdrom /dev/sr0 -boot d == instant reboot on *host*domain* in this AMD Turion X2 #fedora 12 domain | Apr 09 17:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] UPLS and EU patent, or the 3rd attempt to legalise software patents in Europe, on the program of the Fordham conference http://ur1.ca/uaui | Apr 09 18:02 | |
| schestowitz | "Air marshals are being arrested faster than air marshals are making arrests." http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/04/the_effectivene.html | Apr 09 18:03 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Enso zenPad doesn't exist, I wonder if I can still claim it runs !Linux http://ur1.ca/ua6x | Apr 09 18:08 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Insane GOP/Teabagger thought the FBI couldn't trace his call http://ur1.ca/uave | Apr 09 18:13 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] If I were a Verizon shareholder, I'd be trying to bring a vote up to get the Verizon CEO fired http://ur1.ca/uaw3 | Apr 09 18:18 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] AMD announced Turbo Core dynamic overclocking http://ur1.ca/uawg | Apr 09 18:18 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Canada against Copyright expansion http://ur1.ca/uaws | Apr 09 18:18 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] South African fossils could be new hominid species http://ur1.ca/uax8 !science | Apr 09 18:23 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] FCC proceeds with fast affoardable nationwide broadband plan http://ur1.ca/uax9 | Apr 09 18:23 | |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: http://webmink.com/2010/04/09/call-to-account/ | Apr 09 18:26 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Simon Phipps has just posted an update re IBM, which is also important to read. http://webmink.com/2010/04/09/call-to-account/ #ibm #fail | Apr 09 18:33 | |
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| zoobab | l | Apr 09 18:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Phipps: "IBM need to admit the error and apologise": http://ur1.ca/uazz | Apr 09 18:40 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTsvs-pAGDc | Apr 09 19:08 |
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| Diablo-D3 | wtf did IBM even do? | Apr 09 19:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/apr/08/hazardous-winds-strike-inland-nw-today/ | Apr 09 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: read Simon's first post | Apr 09 19:14 |
| schestowitz | http://webmink.com/2010/04/08/reptile-attack/ | Apr 09 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | He calls IBM a "reptile" | Apr 09 19:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | is this over the whole turbohercules shit? | Apr 09 19:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I read that one already | Apr 09 19:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | it looks like its some Microsoft BS | Apr 09 19:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | IBM is, and probably always will be, one of the largest pro-FOSS companies in the world | Apr 09 19:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | not only that, the letter sent to the openhercules guys doesnt seem to actually have been passed through or sent by their legal department | Apr 09 19:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | so it looks like its the action of one man | Apr 09 19:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | who may or may not be in the process of being terminated as we speak | Apr 09 19:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt look like IBM was fully aware of what was actually going on | Apr 09 19:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Dear Emily..." http://i.imgur.com/1pXlO.jpg #DEBill indeed | Apr 09 19:21 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: that image is just perfect | Apr 09 19:22 |
| MinceR | r4wr | Apr 09 19:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | its proof anyone who voted for debill should be fired | Apr 09 19:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODEzMg | Apr 09 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | "All of the images are dynamically watermarked and also scaled via the GD library in real-time depending upon your screen resolution. All of this load is what's quickly eating up the server. " | Apr 09 19:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then arrested on terrorism charges | Apr 09 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Nice | Apr 09 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: yes, debillls voted for it | Apr 09 19:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'm sure #DEBill also has measures to prevent people sharing a CD-ROM or external hard drive... is BPI clueless too? | Apr 09 19:26 | |
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| schestowitz | Re: Murdoch hacks grumble over outsourced IT failures | Apr 09 19:44 |
| schestowitz | > Haaaa ha | Apr 09 19:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 09 19:44 |
| schestowitz | > "Hickey has a background with Accenture, and has brought in several of | Apr 09 19:44 |
| schestowitz | > his former colleagues to manage the soaraway outsourcing bonanza" | Apr 09 19:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 09 19:44 |
| schestowitz | > That's the same people that f****d up the London stock exchange .. | Apr 09 19:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 09 19:44 |
| schestowitz | > "He believes all IT departments from banks to supermarkets to | Apr 09 19:44 |
| schestowitz | > newspapers can be run in the same way: ie just using off-the-shelf | Apr 09 19:44 |
| schestowitz | > software administered by low-skill employees," | Apr 09 19:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 09 19:44 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/09/news_int_email/ | Apr 09 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | > | Apr 09 19:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Facebook group: Crypto101, teach practical encryption to non-geeks http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=111537775536541&v=info | Apr 09 19:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] gwibber uses a lot of cpu power that's needed elsewhere! time to remove it? | Apr 09 19:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] At work so unfortunately can't comment on Openbytes. It does appear though the MJ spokesperson has responded. | Apr 09 19:58 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/25/turbohercules_goes_commercial/ | Apr 09 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | "TurboHercules is co-headquartered in Paris, France, where Bowler moved after he left the United Kingdom, and in Seattle, Washington, in close proximity to the one big software company that has in the past taken a shining to anything that gave Big Blue some grief, particularly with mainframes. (Yes, we mean Microsoft)." | Apr 09 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like ACT :- | Apr 09 20:00 |
| schestowitz | :-) Washington and Brussels | Apr 09 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: are you around? | Apr 09 20:04 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> I know you want to move on from the IBM turbohercules story, but I thought to give you a few more links on it, of interest. | Apr 09 20:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.zoobab.com/ibm-turbohercules-patent-threat-letter the whole letter posted, lot of information | Apr 09 20:14 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.turbohercules.com/news/permalink/a-statement-from-roger-bowler-about-hercules-and-ibm/ quote: "IBM also accuses TurboHercules of cooperating with Microsoft. Bearing in mind that Hercules works very well indeed on both Linux and Windows, not to mention the Macintosh, we are indeed quite happy to cooperate with Microsoft, Hewlett-Packard, Unisys, Dell, Intel, AMD or anyone else who wants to work with us. W | Apr 09 20:16 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | notice that Turbohercules does really not say that they are not a pawn of MS, they sort of dance around the issue. | Apr 09 20:17 |
| MinceR | suspicious | Apr 09 20:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1892 a very good article about the 160 IBM patents of which 2 of those were the ones that IBM promised not to sue with | Apr 09 20:19 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | what I do not understand here, is Turbolinux is located in France of all places, if I am correct software patents are not legal there? | Apr 09 20:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The problem for Turbohercules is that most of IBM mainframe business is mostly in the USA I believe, where those software patentes are legal so far | Apr 09 20:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or are some of these IBM patents, actually hardware patents? | Apr 09 20:21 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz I've thought about decentralized, user-provided p2p internet over ad-hoc wireless before. Maybe an idea whose time has come?" http://identi.ca/conversation/27875857#notice-27916603 | Apr 09 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | @jdac #DEBill tries to criminalise open wi-fi (never mind encryption) | Apr 09 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I linked to that latter twice | Apr 09 20:23 |
| schestowitz | *letter | Apr 09 20:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> I do agree with you that software patents should never be. also I think there is a deeper truth here, and that is the motives, backing, funding, of TurboHercules. Are they a stooge or not of MS? | Apr 09 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no, not France | Apr 09 20:24 |
| schestowitz | "TurboHercules is co-headquartered in Paris, France, where Bowler moved after he left the United Kingdom, and in Seattle, Washington, in close proximity to the one big software company that has in the past taken a shining to anything that gave Big Blue some grief, particularly with mainframes. (Yes, we mean Microsoft)." | Apr 09 20:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/25/turbohercules_goes_commercial/ | Apr 09 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | [20:24] <Chips_B_Malroy> Roy> I do agree with you that software patents should never be. also I think there is a deeper truth here, and that is the motives, backing, funding, of TurboHercules. Are they a stooge or not of MS? | Apr 09 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Even before the cr*pstorm people said this to me | Apr 09 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, they are a stooge | Apr 09 20:25 |
| schestowitz | But that's not something I ever denied, I was among the first to point this out | Apr 09 20:26 |
| schestowitz | See the first post in the Turbohercules series | Apr 09 20:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> as bad as what IBM did, what MS is doing then, through their stooge Turbohercules is much worst. | Apr 09 20:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> I am not accusing you of anything here | Apr 09 20:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If IBM does wrong, it ok to report it. Just saying the MS turbohercules connection and its further attempt to corrupt the EU with anti-trust and destroy IBM, that is the bigger story | Apr 09 20:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if true | Apr 09 20:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | What I have noticed since OBama got elected, is that Ballmer has sort of taken off the gloves | Apr 09 20:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he has gone after google and maybe now IBM without fear | Apr 09 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Dana Windows plays 'smart' | Apr 09 20:31 |
| schestowitz | He has done a census, apparently. | Apr 09 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "Fewer than 1 in 100 desktops in the U.S. run Linux, and most are in the hands of developers, not consumers." | Apr 09 20:32 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=6216 | Apr 09 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | [citation needed] | Apr 09 20:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe this has nothing to do with Obama, I don't know | Apr 09 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Another fool who parrots NetApps | Apr 09 20:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1600299/ubuntu-linux-million-users | Apr 09 20:32 |
| schestowitz | http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/04/08/stats-from-distros/ | Apr 09 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | "Recent estimates based wholly or partially on such data gives 24 million for Fedora and 12 million for Ubuntu. With that information and the rapid growth we all see, the 1% figure bantered about on the web is a joke." | Apr 09 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, I know about IBM and Microsoft | Apr 09 20:33 |
| schestowitz | We have many posts on Neon and T3 too | Apr 09 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft paid T3 a lot of money | Apr 09 20:33 |
| schestowitz | To attack IBM mainframes | Apr 09 20:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | schestowitz> "Fewer than 1 in 100 desktops in the U.S. run Linux." And one of those is mine, lol. But I see more and more linux, just look at the criaglist forums, majorgeeks forum. I do not believe the 1% figure anymore even for the USA | Apr 09 20:34 |
| schestowitz | ZDNyet | Apr 09 20:34 |
| schestowitz | I don't know why Google News syndicates that rubbish | Apr 09 20:35 |
| schestowitz | it's never news, it's just punditry | Apr 09 20:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I know more people now that run Linux here in the USA than windows. But mostly I influenced them. | Apr 09 20:35 |
| schestowitz | According to Dah!na, less than 300,000 people in the whole of the US use Linux | Apr 09 20:35 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Apr 09 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Just think of dual-booters and sub-notebooks for starters | Apr 09 20:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | There is a problem with Linux never discussed | Apr 09 20:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | since you can get all the software for free | Apr 09 20:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and few buy commercial software for linux, as the free open source is usually superior | Apr 09 20:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | places like MS Watch have no reason to plug Linux, as they run of advertising bucks | Apr 09 20:38 |
| schestowitz | +1 | Apr 09 20:38 |
| schestowitz | But there's another thing | Apr 09 20:38 |
| schestowitz | GNU/Linux - with or without repos- has load of s/w | Apr 09 20:38 |
| schestowitz | People in African would rarely apt-get | Apr 09 20:38 |
| schestowitz | b/w is too expensive | Apr 09 20:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and places that do stats, have no reason to report the true figures of Linux adoption as there is no money (advertising) in it for them | Apr 09 20:39 |
| schestowitz | They use what's on the CD they borrowed from a mate | Apr 09 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no 'consulting' contracts | Apr 09 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Common factoid: | Apr 09 20:39 |
| schestowitz | "consulting" can be like "bribery" | Apr 09 20:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | In fact, my comment at MS Watch is still not there, most likely censored again | Apr 09 20:39 |
| schestowitz | You write off "Microsoft consulting" or something | Apr 09 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Which means they paid your wage for some output | Apr 09 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: paste the comments here then | Apr 09 20:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | consulting is just another MS weasel word for paid | Apr 09 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Maybe MS Watch gets many comments | Apr 09 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Just not the type Nick likes | Apr 09 20:40 |
| schestowitz | So he nixed them all :-) j/k | Apr 09 20:40 |
| MinceR | http://img.waffleimages.com/d5aded43cd7fecf4b93b72fdf65a1a4e81abfe2e/trolls.jpg | Apr 09 20:40 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I did yesterday, but wait until torrommow | Apr 09 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Ziff told him, "you delete ALL dissenting comments or we fire you like we did Joe!" | Apr 09 20:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I did save them btw | Apr 09 20:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what's w/ the lady? | Apr 09 20:41 |
| MinceR | she freshens her breath with trolls | Apr 09 20:41 |
| schestowitz | She holds a "troll" like its a delicacy | Apr 09 20:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | chestowitz> Maybe MS Watch gets many comments" most of nick's articles have zero right now, except the one on MS Bob OS, that got 4, a record | Apr 09 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: we covered most of the Turbo stuff | Apr 09 20:44 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to do posts about it; it boring for me and readers alike | Apr 09 20:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ok, but the story might continue, | Apr 09 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: in eWEEK where he writes it's also naughts | Apr 09 20:45 |
| schestowitz | BN used to get like 100 comments/day some months | Apr 09 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Now we require regs | Apr 09 20:45 |
| schestowitz | No trolls almost | Apr 09 20:45 |
| schestowitz | THe story will continue and I'll merge it with what we discussed here | Apr 09 20:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] O discurso da deputada brasileira Cidinha Campos aplica-se, sem qualquer sombra de duvida, ao ressentimento mudo que sente o povo portugues. | Apr 09 20:45 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, we remember that. But MS Watch does not require reg, only it holds comments for a day for review, longer on weekends | Apr 09 20:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so it should have lots more coments than a site like BN that requires regs. In fact MS Watch puts the comments on the same page as the article, you don't have to click to expand the comments. This increases comments, and its why I orginally selected that site to comment on. | Apr 09 20:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Eu ja so lhes chamo pombos ... | Apr 09 20:47 | |
| ^CareBear | is there anyone that knows more about the reasons for some distros to drop mono? http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/09/mono-and-monotouch-out/ | Apr 09 20:50 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | what do you want Mono for? | Apr 09 20:52 |
| ^CareBear | Want mono for C# | Apr 09 20:53 |
| ^CareBear | I had a quick look at the possibility of getting mono on Haiku (the BeOS clone), but it's an undertaking that would be way to big for me: http://www.haiku-os.org/ | Apr 09 20:55 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | well, I have no use for mono | Apr 09 20:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | mono moonlight will never play netflix videos | Apr 09 20:56 |
| ^CareBear | who cares about netflix | Apr 09 20:56 |
| ^CareBear | americans can keep their media content | Apr 09 20:57 |
| ^CareBear | nothing works in Europe anyway | Apr 09 20:57 |
| schestowitz | What can Mono do that other frameworks cannot? | Apr 09 20:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its the only thing I have ever found that anybody has ever been interested in | Apr 09 20:57 |
| schestowitz | There's no 'killer' app/feature written in Mono | Apr 09 20:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | other than that mono is useless to most people | Apr 09 20:58 |
| schestowitz | it's a RAM extractor | Apr 09 20:58 |
| schestowitz | bad for sub-notebooks | Apr 09 20:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | check out the linux users forums and you will see what I mean about moonlight and mono | Apr 09 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Just sucks up resources for something like a notepad | Apr 09 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Is Moonlight still developed? | Apr 09 20:58 |
| schestowitz | I hardly hear about it | Apr 09 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Silver Lie and Moon Lie kind of accept the fact they'll never gain major presence | Apr 09 20:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | mono-moonlight it really dosen't even work for what linux users want it for | Apr 09 20:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | netflix | Apr 09 20:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the user forums are awash with these posts about not getting moonlight to work on netflix/blockbuster | Apr 09 21:00 |
| ^CareBear | schestowitz, well obviously, it takes a while for a framework to actually get any "killer" app. Mono is just a runtime, and I'm a developer, so it's essential for me. | Apr 09 21:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | moonlight, and therefore mono are a complete waste of time | Apr 09 21:00 |
| ^CareBear | Chips_B_Malroy, that ain't exactly right, I use mono to develop web-apps and desktop-apps that has nothing to do with moonlight | Apr 09 21:01 |
| schestowitz | techtarget is giving a platform to FOSS FUD and fear mongering http://searchunifiedcommunications.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid186_gci1508323,00.html | Apr 09 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | ^CareBear: from scratch? | Apr 09 21:02 |
| ^CareBear | schestowitz, if I develop apps from scratch? Sure, all the time? worked with development for 12 years | Apr 09 21:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if mono was gone tomorrow, the average linux user would not notice | Apr 09 21:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or care | Apr 09 21:03 |
| ^CareBear | Chips_B_Malroy, that's very true | Apr 09 21:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/04/05/swedish-company-to-launch-worlds-first-android-based-tv/ | Apr 09 21:03 |
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| ^CareBear | Chips_B_Malroy, if the only programming language anyone could develop an app in was Java, the average computer user probably wouldn't notice either ;) | Apr 09 21:04 |
| ^CareBear | (other than the fact that Java-GUI apps looks horrible 95% of the time) | Apr 09 21:04 |
| schestowitz | ^CareBear: so why not develop from scratch using a liberal platform? | Apr 09 21:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not so sure about java, a lot of stuff uses that | Apr 09 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft controls .NET/Mono with software patents and WIndows | Apr 09 21:04 |
| schestowitz | You don't want a convicted monopolist guarding itself against you, right? | Apr 09 21:05 |
| ^CareBear | schestowitz, I'm primarily a Windows platform dev, but Mono is great as a means for wider distribution and I do a few small open source projects which I want to keep on multi-platform | Apr 09 21:05 |
| schestowitz | ^CareBear: only Novell and Microsoft develop Mono | Apr 09 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Novell is up for sale now | Apr 09 21:05 |
| schestowitz | It's looking for an acquirer | Apr 09 21:05 |
| ^CareBear | they are? | Apr 09 21:05 |
| ^CareBear | ok | Apr 09 21:05 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't rely on Mono | Apr 09 21:05 |
| ^CareBear | the alternative is Java | Apr 09 21:05 |
| ^CareBear | it's either C# or Java that are alternatives for most enterprise developers these days | Apr 09 21:06 |
| schestowitz | ^CareBear: http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2010/03/23/after_rejecting_bid_novell_open_to_sale/ | Apr 09 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | ^CareBear: Java for the most part, although PHP/Python/Perl are portable | Apr 09 21:06 |
| ^CareBear | yepp but that skillset is limited | Apr 09 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Can be moved from business servers to a DC outside the business for scale | Apr 09 21:06 |
| MinceR | is C++ forbidden to enterprises now? :> | Apr 09 21:07 |
| ^CareBear | like ruby and rails, etc. are interesting, but to few people that does it | Apr 09 21:07 |
| MinceR | or C, or Python, etc. | Apr 09 21:07 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, depends on your need obviously | Apr 09 21:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I would rather java or make your windows app wine compatable, as many of us linux users will refuse to install mono. Mostly use KDE users. | Apr 09 21:07 |
| schestowitz | ^CareBear: http://www.tiobe.com/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html | Apr 09 21:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | for cross platform | Apr 09 21:08 |
| ^CareBear | schestowitz, is Visual Basic VB6 or VB.NET? Did VB.NET for a year, it's basically no longer what it used to be, it's a ".NET language" and it's just C# with different syntax sugar | Apr 09 21:09 |
| ^CareBear | so C# and VB got 5th and 6th place, that makes the total pretty big | Apr 09 21:10 |
| ^CareBear | hehe, Objective-C is on the way up ;) iPhone apps for sure | Apr 09 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Adobe pretends to be "open" again... | Apr 09 21:10 |
| schestowitz | "The new collaboration will also support Adobe's Open Source Media Framework (OSMF) for building video players based on the Flash platform." | Apr 09 21:10 |
| schestowitz | http://digitalmedia.strategyeye.com/article/0WLCDgZAFkA/2010/04/08/adobe_teams_up_with_conviva_to_improve_flash/ | Apr 09 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | ^CareBear: TIOBE aside, I saw other surveys | Apr 09 21:11 |
| schestowitz | They seem to penetrate deeper into actual use in SaaS | Apr 09 21:12 |
| schestowitz | iPhone apps are also HTML/XML-based sometimes | Apr 09 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Android is | Apr 09 21:12 |
| schestowitz | And Java | Apr 09 21:12 |
| schestowitz | My brother develops for Android | Apr 09 21:12 |
| schestowitz | He was bugging me on the phone about it for hours today.. they basically have a very standard environment with everything as XML | Apr 09 21:13 |
| ^CareBear | which language of the top 10 can be developed for on most Linux distros without getting additional runtimes? (alternatives: C, Java, C++, PHP, (Visual) Basic, C#, Python, Perl, Delphi, JavaScript) ... (wow, Delphi still far up, ages since I did Pascal) | Apr 09 21:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Yes, Mueller is crying us a river but defending #IBM on THIS issue is defending #swpat. I don't even care about the other company. | Apr 09 21:13 | |
| ^CareBear | I was working on a currency-calculator in HTML for iPhone cause there was commercial alternatives that costs money for such a simple thing, though I never complete it, got sucked into other stuff but with jQuery I could do it in a few hours | Apr 09 21:14 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: probably depends on the distro | Apr 09 21:14 |
| ^CareBear | which language except C and C++ can I use to do GTK#? | Apr 09 21:15 |
| MinceR | why would you want to do GTK#? | Apr 09 21:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> do you find it strange that IBM would use software patents as a tactic to scare TurboHercules, if that company is mainly out of the USA in a country that does not honor software patents? What is the motive? | Apr 09 21:15 |
| MinceR | (especially if additional runtimes are an issue) | Apr 09 21:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Unless IBM can prove the connection with MS and TurboHercules, then sueing MS with the software patents is the motive? perhaps? | Apr 09 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Wilcox... : http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Clash-of-the-titans-Apple-Google-battle-for-the-mobile-Web/1270766852 | Apr 09 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | I hate those headlines | Apr 09 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Like it's Wrestlemania | Apr 09 21:19 |
| ^CareBear | Interesting: http://www.mobileorchard.com/goodbye/ | Apr 09 21:19 |
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| MinceR | ^CareBear: also, many distros probably install python and perl by default | Apr 09 21:19 |
| ^CareBear | what would they be without it ;) | Apr 09 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: it has presence near Microsoft | Apr 09 21:20 |
| MinceR | (both are often used by tools and distros use package management written in python) | Apr 09 21:20 |
| schestowitz | [Turbo] | Apr 09 21:20 |
| MinceR | s/and/& some/ | Apr 09 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu writes some programs in Python now | Apr 09 21:20 |
| schestowitz | C is a sure bet | Apr 09 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | I would use C, but PHP is OK for browser-based stuff that I run through schestowitz.com (password-protected) | Apr 09 21:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.cnbc.com/id/36004831/for/cnbc/ "TurboHercules, a privately-held company set up in 2009, is a member of a non-profit trade group called the Computer and Communications Industry Association (CCIA), which counts Microsoft and Oracle Corp as members, but not IBM." | Apr 09 21:32 |
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| ^CareBear | did some php many years back | Apr 09 21:35 |
| ^CareBear | and cgi/perl | Apr 09 21:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/340596/ibm_slapped_3rd_mainframe_antitrust_complaint_europe/ | Apr 09 21:35 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: IBM slapped with 3rd mainframe antitrust complaint in Europe - mainframe, lawsuit, IBM, antitrust - Computerworld .::. Size~: 64.21 KB | Apr 09 21:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "TurboHercules' move follows similar antitrust complaints with the European Commission from two other small IBM competitors, PSI and T3 Technologies. Microsoft, an arch-rival had a stake in PSI but the firm was subsequently bought out by IBM. Meanwhile, T3 ranks Microsoft among its shareholders. Last year, the U.S. Department of Justice opened an antitrust probe into IBM's dominance of the mainframe market. That pro | Apr 09 21:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "That probe was sparked by a complaint from the Computer and Communications Industry Association (CCIA), a trade group that ranks Microsoft among its members." | Apr 09 21:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so there is some reason to IBM's claim that TurboHercules is a MS front | Apr 09 21:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/342151/open-source_advocate_enters_ibm_antitrust_fray/ "People close to the company dismissed Mueller's blog posting as a stunt to try and relaunch himself on the European Union lobbying scene, after his failure at the end of last year to persuade the Commission to block the Oracle-Sun deal." | Apr 09 21:44 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "Thomas Vinje, the founder of the European Committee for Interoperable Systems (ECIS), which ranks IBM among its members, said that "Microsoft lies behind the antitrust complaints against IBM." Mueller can in turn be linked to Microsoft, he said, because he joined forces with Microsoft to oppose the Oracle-Sun deal, which was approved after an in-depth investigation by the Commission that ended in December. Vinje act | Apr 09 21:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "They have learned how to play the game in Europe," Vinje said of Microsoft, which itself has been the target of antitrust regulators there. Microsoft has invested huge amounts in attacking its rivals, including Oracle and Google as well as IBM, in Brussels in recent years, he said." | Apr 09 21:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy> I know you tired of this topic, but a later date this story continues I think. What i was trying to do was to find a link between MS and TurboHercules, if it exsists. | Apr 09 21:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so you have more material | Apr 09 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, I know all that | Apr 09 22:08 |
| schestowitz | The relationship does exist | Apr 09 22:08 |
| schestowitz | I mentioned it in the earlier posts and I will use your links in a later post | Apr 09 22:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Launchy-2-5-adds-Mac-OS-X-support-973153.html | Apr 09 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft paid Communications Industry Association (CCIA) | Apr 09 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Like $20 milliob | Apr 09 22:08 |
| schestowitz | *ion | Apr 09 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Mr. Black | Apr 09 22:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/PS3-playstation-Linux-Rebate-Amazon,10140.html | Apr 09 22:11 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/08/windows_mobile_office_2010_beta_headache/ | Apr 09 22:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/27882910#notice-27923799 "@schestowitz I wonder if it's considered "open" wifi if you encrypt it and post the key..." | Apr 09 22:13 |
| schestowitz | heh. | Apr 09 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz or just use WEP and tell everyone how to do key recovery attacks" http://identi.ca/conversation/27882959#notice-27923848 | Apr 09 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | @jdac All these loopholes are why #DEBill will just make ISPs intrusive, expensive and won't save the #BPI | Apr 09 22:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The DEB bill is a "war on filesharers." | Apr 09 22:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] haha tweeting from my o2 joggler :) | Apr 09 22:16 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | here in the USA we have wars on everything. War of drugs, war on terrorism, war in Iraq, war in afganistan | Apr 09 22:17 |
| MinceR | war on war! | Apr 09 22:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | like the war on drugs, the war on filesharers is a failure | Apr 09 22:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the laws keep getting progressively tuffer | Apr 09 22:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | at some point they will go from civil to criminal | Apr 09 22:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it has already been proposed to do that, but did not pass yet | Apr 09 22:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | mostly laws like the digital millinium act here are to make examples to scare people | Apr 09 22:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Because in the USA, with its very high percentage of people behind bars already, we taxpayers cannot afford to put 30% of the population behind bars for filesharing | Apr 09 22:21 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: TurboHercules does need a look. QPL license they are using is a deprecated license also falls out side the the licenses IBM listed as safe. Listed as safe licence means even if the item is patented you odds of getting approve to use patent is basically 100 percent. Part of patent protection agreements is that you don't attack holder of patents in a court of law unless you are prepared to face all the patent holders patents. | Apr 09 22:21 |
| oiaohm | Sending a nasty letter listing patents is not legally an attack its a warning Ie watch what you do next do the wrong things you could end up without protection. Some of the patents covering turboherc ie some of the ones outside the 500 to general open source are allowed to be used by the Linux kernel and any other GPL project. Problem here as well QPL licence is incompatible with GPL. | Apr 09 22:21 |
| MinceR | you just need to get it over 50% and put the remaining people behind bars instead | Apr 09 22:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Maybe you folks in Britian can do that after the media companies finially get the laws passed they really want. As in they will not stop with the DEB. | Apr 09 22:22 |
| *MinceR isn't in the UK and his suggestion refers to the USA | Apr 09 22:23 | |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 09 22:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | thats right you not in Britian Mince | Apr 09 22:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | oiaohm> I agree that Turbohercules need further searchng. should have looked at the board members for links to ms | Apr 09 22:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR>we have a lot of people in the USA behind bars, many for nonviolet drug use. Only Russia used to have a higher percentage behind bars of western counties. The USA may have surpassed Russia now. | Apr 09 22:28 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | So many if fact that California is considering subbing out its mexican prisoners to Mexican prisions, as it might save money doing that | Apr 09 22:30 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | many refer to the penal system here as the "prision industry." | Apr 09 22:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | many prisions are now run and leased out by private corporations | Apr 09 22:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | at least on the state levels in many states | Apr 09 22:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @floschie: Good stuff, thx. Agree with you on that "patent madness" ♺ @codepope: You may want to read my take at http://bit.ly/bQOtuO #ibm | Apr 09 22:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Reviewing the 21st week ultrasound taking today, with some 3D segments. Cool *boy* comin' right up! :) | Apr 09 22:34 | |
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| ^CareBear | *Watching live stream from Formula Drift in Long Beach* Awesome :D | Apr 09 22:36 |
| ^CareBear | friend of mine is in second place in the qualifying | Apr 09 22:36 |
| oiaohm | Chips_B_Malroy: One of the things most people miss is most of the IBM mainframe business is Linux. Not their specialist OS's. The specialist OS part of the IBM mainframe business is basically dieing. | Apr 09 22:42 |
| oiaohm | And why should open source people feel sorry for people who locked themselves into a closed source system. | Apr 09 22:42 |
| ^CareBear | well the mainframes will never die | Apr 09 22:44 |
| oiaohm | IBM selling the closed source OS's so people using turbohercules could use them. Will see them stay around long term. Will see ibm to have to keep on having to maintain the specialist OS's. | Apr 09 22:44 |
| oiaohm | ^CareBear: Of course Mainframes may not die. But particular type of OS's on mainframes most likely will. Ie closed source stuff. Just like it did on supers. | Apr 09 22:45 |
| oiaohm | Problem once a market like supers have gone majorally open source it becomes almost impossiable for closed source to get a foot hold. | Apr 09 22:46 |
| MinceR | it also becomes more expensive to maintain proprietary platforms on it | Apr 09 22:46 |
| MinceR | it will eventually cease to be profitable | Apr 09 22:46 |
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| ^CareBear | currently in a project at a bank, no plans to replace it in the forseable future ;) | Apr 09 22:46 |
| BenderBendingRod | Roy could you have a look at this website?? I can't get on it with chromium | Apr 09 22:47 |
| BenderBendingRod | http://blogs.msdn.com/garretts/archive/2010/03/31/the-common-opensource-application-publishing-platform-coapp.aspx | Apr 09 22:47 |
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| ^CareBear | read about CoApp earlier, sounds like a lot of work for one guy? | Apr 09 22:47 |
| oiaohm | ^CareBear: again it depends on bank. I know some that run Linux or solarias at core. | Apr 09 22:48 |
| oiaohm | Most scary is some USA banks have been caught running windows servers at core. | Apr 09 22:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I cringe when I see windows running on bank computers hooked up to the internet | Apr 09 22:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its more prelavent than you would think here | Apr 09 22:49 |
| ^CareBear | Chips_B_Malroy, why is that a problem? It's pretty widespread | Apr 09 22:49 |
| BenderBendingRod | hey guys, is there something wrong with the website's link i posted?? I can't load it with chromium of firefox... | Apr 09 22:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://theflashblog.com/?p=1888 Waah waah waah. Boo fscking hoo Adobe. Maybe if you made a _decent_ flash player people might listen huh? | Apr 09 22:49 | |
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| ^CareBear | BenderBendingRod, it works here, what about it? The CoApp blog post? | Apr 09 22:50 |
| oiaohm | Old traditional bank consoles were number 1 100 percent audited bits of systems. Number 2 isolated ^CareBear | Apr 09 22:50 |
| oiaohm | Remember from a bank console you can access 100 percent of a persons details. | Apr 09 22:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] If U believe "in dubio pro reo" then U should be aware that in the case of patents, U go to court to prove your innocence in infringement | Apr 09 22:50 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/article/15770/cio/visa-issues-alert Quote: “Credit and debit card issuer Visa has issued an alert warning all retailers that trojan-driven keylogger incidents are on the rise, with Windows-based terminals being particularly vulnerable. The rising number of keylogger attacks on retailers’ till terminals is due to the fact that many units are Windows-driven and therefore suscep | Apr 09 22:51 |
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| cubezzz | surely the banks have uber security | Apr 09 22:51 |
| oiaohm | ^CareBear: how do you 100 percent audit windows. | Apr 09 22:51 |
| oiaohm | ^CareBear: ie you cannot. | Apr 09 22:51 |
| oiaohm | Use of windows has been cost cutting. | Apr 09 22:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | bank windows systems are down a lot too | Apr 09 22:52 |
| oiaohm | At the price of secuirty by banks. | Apr 09 22:52 |
| MinceR | now it's just negligence. | Apr 09 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Yep MinceR got it in 1 | Apr 09 22:52 |
| BenderBendingRod | It's weird :) I can get on every other post of that guy but that one about coapp doesn't load :/ | Apr 09 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Hostpitals have done the same thing. | Apr 09 22:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they were not as bad when they were running OS/2 in their bank systems | Apr 09 22:53 |
| ^CareBear | cubezzz, what do you mean "banks have uber security"? I expect most of them to have rather poor security | Apr 09 22:53 |
| oiaohm | Perfectly audited linux and solaris systems replaced by windows systems because windows was simple for yers. | Apr 09 22:53 |
| oiaohm | OS/2 IBM allowed banks to fully inspect the source code. | Apr 09 22:53 |
| oiaohm | So the systems based on OS/2 could be fully audited. | Apr 09 22:54 |
| oiaohm | Drivers and all. | Apr 09 22:54 |
| ^CareBear | security is the single most expensive and one of the biggest causes of complexity in IT-systems, few have money to truly make things secure at a level that we expect of them | Apr 09 22:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | OS/2 was not secure either, but not so much malware for it | Apr 09 22:54 |
| BenderBendingRod | it's not worst if the banks use windows or linux | Apr 09 22:54 |
| BenderBendingRod | it is just the way banks create money is devilish | Apr 09 22:54 |
| oiaohm | Even if something is no secure. If you don't use weak paths. | Apr 09 22:54 |
| cubezzz | I'm not really sure exactly what the banks do | Apr 09 22:55 |
| cubezzz | maybe oiaohm knows | Apr 09 22:55 |
| oiaohm | I know what the 4 main australian banks use. | Apr 09 22:55 |
| ^CareBear | security for a bank can't be at OS-level, that wouldn't make sense. You need to have it on a higher abstraction layer | Apr 09 22:55 |
| BenderBendingRod | bank creates a loan from thin air and collects percent from that while you pay it off right? | Apr 09 22:55 |
| oiaohm | ^CareBear: foolish. | Apr 09 22:55 |
| BenderBendingRod | so when you pay it back the bank closes that loan and gets the percent from that loan | Apr 09 22:56 |
| oiaohm | If your base is bad and you don't know where bad is your higher abstraction layer fails. | Apr 09 22:56 |
| MinceR | security is not a feature. | Apr 09 22:56 |
| oiaohm | That simple. | Apr 09 22:56 |
| MinceR | it's not something you put on top. | Apr 09 22:56 |
| oiaohm | Secuirty comes from all parts. | Apr 09 22:56 |
| cubezzz | nevertheless, which operating systems do banks use? | Apr 09 22:56 |
| BenderBendingRod | it's like chrome has been built with security in mind and no one in Pwn2Own even attempted to hack it :) | Apr 09 22:56 |
| cubezzz | they probably don't talk about it | Apr 09 22:57 |
| Guest20979 | cubezzz, linux | Apr 09 22:57 |
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| ^CareBear | oiaohm, there sure are many levels of security that needs to be implemented. What do you consider being important on the OS-level for auditing? | Apr 09 22:58 |
| cubezzz | ok, let's see what netcraft says about my bank | Apr 09 22:59 |
| cubezzz | "solaris 8" | Apr 09 22:59 |
| oiaohm | OS level auditing includes the full drivers. | Apr 09 22:59 |
| BenderBendingRod | linux-debian mine :) | Apr 09 22:59 |
| oiaohm | You have to audit the hardware as well. | Apr 09 22:59 |
| oiaohm | Clasic case of a hardware flaw example exists in some dell severs. | Apr 09 23:00 |
| MinceR | dell is all about hardware flaws | Apr 09 23:00 |
| MinceR | it's crap | Apr 09 23:00 |
| oiaohm | The keyboard mouse and video can be accessed remotely by hardware over network card. | Apr 09 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Some of them you can even access what is being typed before the OS sees it. | Apr 09 23:01 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, remember my problem with M. de Icaza a couple days ago? | Apr 09 23:01 |
| oiaohm | So yes 100 percent breach possiablity due to hardware being crap. | Apr 09 23:01 |
| cubezzz | I think IBM does a lot of bank work | Apr 09 23:02 |
| oiaohm | Now if you have a defective driver at kernel mode that is another level that can cause you a 100 percent breach ^CareBear | Apr 09 23:02 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, that kind of hacks are so sophisticated that they are not worth the cost for most banks I'm sure | Apr 09 23:02 |
| oiaohm | At kernel mode the breach can hide from any form of abstraction layer can stop you. | Apr 09 23:02 |
| cubezzz | I don't get sophisticated attacks, but then I'm not a bank | Apr 09 23:03 |
| oiaohm | Costs me about 5 USD to buy an attack at kernel level for windows. ^CareBear | Apr 09 23:03 |
| BenderBendingRod | oiaohm, ^CareBear heard of latest QubezOS :)?? | Apr 09 23:03 |
| MinceR | is that a fork of JeffBezOS? | Apr 09 23:03 |
| oiaohm | QubezOS too young resonable idea. | Apr 09 23:03 |
| cubezzz | cool name though :) | Apr 09 23:03 |
| BenderBendingRod | it's basically KVM based, completely sandboxed Fedora distro | Apr 09 23:04 |
| BenderBendingRod | every app is in it's own sandbox | Apr 09 23:04 |
| BenderBendingRod | just like google's chrome | Apr 09 23:04 |
| MinceR | google doesn't know qubezos | Apr 09 23:04 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, exactly, so do you really think banks will be able to invest in hardware and software that has been utterly audited for thousands of employees? Some of the really, really big international banks perhaps, but most others it's not a viable solution. They would rather take the cost of the loss when they are attacked. | Apr 09 23:04 |
| oiaohm | Really its not as bad as you make out. ^CareBear | Apr 09 23:05 |
| BenderBendingRod | banks create money on the computers :) It is not hard for them to make up "new" money for the one lost | Apr 09 23:05 |
| cubezzz | we only have big national banks :-0 | Apr 09 23:05 |
| oiaohm | Using items like solarias and Linux the auditing is already done by large MIL groups. | Apr 09 23:05 |
| oiaohm | So cost is min. | Apr 09 23:05 |
| oiaohm | They even provide lists of recommended hardwares. | Apr 09 23:05 |
| oiaohm | Yes off the self stuff anyone can buy ^CareBear | Apr 09 23:06 |
| ^CareBear | so you trust them? | Apr 09 23:06 |
| oiaohm | So total cost would be about extra 6 hours cost in planing of deployments. | Apr 09 23:06 |
| cubezzz | I trust the banks to service charge me a lot | Apr 09 23:07 |
| cubezzz | and pay zero interest | Apr 09 23:07 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, I've yet to see any banks around here that audits their hardware and drivers | Apr 09 23:07 |
| Omar87 | Well, now it seems Mr. MVP guy has protected his tweets after the twitter incident two days ago. | Apr 09 23:07 |
| ziggyfish | Omar87, whos MVP | Apr 09 23:08 |
| ziggyfish | *Mr MVP | Apr 09 23:08 |
| Omar87 | ziggyfish, M. de Icaza | Apr 09 23:08 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, it's hard enough building systems that does proper (and secure) auditing of transactions, employees are probably the biggest cause of intrusions and money losses | Apr 09 23:08 |
| oiaohm | ^CareBear: Remember banks don't have to do it themselves. | Apr 09 23:08 |
| Omar87 | ziggyfish, there: http://becausefreedommatters.blogspot.com/ | Apr 09 23:08 |
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| Omar87 | http://becausefreedommatters.blogspot.com/2010/04/anatomy-of-microsoft-most-valuable.html | Apr 09 23:09 |
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| oiaohm | Open source allows you to check against multiable auditing sources outside your firm ^CareBear | Apr 09 23:09 |
| oiaohm | Ie sharing the cost. | Apr 09 23:09 |
| oiaohm | Closed source items like windows who has the source code to fully audit it from source up. | Apr 09 23:10 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, I've worked at different financial institutions and banks, they just don't do it at those levels. | Apr 09 23:10 |
| oiaohm | I know a few banks that do. ^CareBear | Apr 09 23:11 |
| oiaohm | They have not had a single breach. | Apr 09 23:11 |
| cubezzz | ok, so which bank actually uses doze? | Apr 09 23:11 |
| oiaohm | Cost is truly min. | Apr 09 23:11 |
| cubezzz | I'm morbidly curious | Apr 09 23:11 |
| oiaohm | One breach pays for the cost of doing it right. | Apr 09 23:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] It seems democracy is where money is. @jwildeboer | Apr 09 23:11 | |
| oiaohm | Remember these banks I am refering to outsource the auditing to about 8 different firms. And all 8 have to agree. | Apr 09 23:12 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, they might be doing some auditing on that level, but not to my knowledge. It's outsourced anyhow, all the infrastructure and hardware. | Apr 09 23:12 |
| oiaohm | And the hardware suppliers have to pass what the audits. | Apr 09 23:13 |
| oiaohm | If you are not in their IT core you would not know if a bank is doing this or not. | Apr 09 23:14 |
| oiaohm | Or being got todo the audits. | Apr 09 23:14 |
| ^CareBear | what I do know, is that my laptop is from China ;) | Apr 09 23:14 |
| oiaohm | Crap hardware can be built anywhere. | Apr 09 23:15 |
| MinceR | and if you're in their IT chances are they made you sign an NDA | Apr 09 23:15 |
| oiaohm | same with good secure hardware. | Apr 09 23:15 |
| MinceR | so you can't tell anyone :> | Apr 09 23:15 |
| oiaohm | Only way to tell the difference is auditing. | Apr 09 23:16 |
| oiaohm | http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/SEPostgreSQL I guess you have never seen this either ^CareBear | Apr 09 23:16 |
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| ^CareBear | I need to hit the bed very soon, I just wanted to ask a quick question before I go: I love CC-BY and BSD-type licenses and I think CC-SA and GPL-type licenses have nothing to do with freedom. Whatever I do in writing i do CC-BY, any code is some BSD-form license. I don't want to enforce whatever others want to do with whatever I produce, why should I? | Apr 09 23:17 |
| MinceR | what's that blue thing in the logo? | Apr 09 23:17 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: if you don't want to use copyleft licenses, then don't | Apr 09 23:17 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, NDAs are signed before you get to do anything | Apr 09 23:17 |
| oiaohm | One mean dog MinceR | Apr 09 23:17 |
| MinceR | oh. | Apr 09 23:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] RT @doctorow: If you don't understand this about #iPad DRM, you don't understand anything about #iPad DRM http://tinyurl.com/yavvu5b | Apr 09 23:17 | |
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| MinceR | ^CareBear: the point of copyleft licenses is that they prohibit some things certain companies like to do against freedom | Apr 09 23:18 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, thanks for the SEPostgre tip, bookmarked for later reading | Apr 09 23:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jwildeboer: So which rating agency is NOT US based? Anyone else sees a pattern? Dollar is losing, US rating corps shoot on euro? | Apr 09 23:18 | |
| oiaohm | SEpostgresql is about 100 percent intergate secuirty. | Apr 09 23:18 |
| oiaohm | Kernel threw to userspace. | Apr 09 23:19 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, what do you mean by that? You're the one removing others freedom (they are of course free to choose to use whatever you produce, but hey ;-) | Apr 09 23:19 |
| oiaohm | The same secuirty. | Apr 09 23:19 |
| oiaohm | Simple fact ^CareBear There is no point to having multi independant secuiry layers. | Apr 09 23:19 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: i mean things like taking the code from a free software project, selling a proprietary product based on it and using software patents to stop the original project from being developed | Apr 09 23:20 |
| oiaohm | All that does is increase your risks of being breached badly. | Apr 09 23:20 |
| oiaohm | Sooner lot of places learn the abstraction idea is wrong the better. | Apr 09 23:20 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, I don't see the relation with software patents, but why shouldn't someone be allowed to sell what I do, if they put money, resources and energy into it? | Apr 09 23:21 |
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| MinceR | ^CareBear: software patents are one of the ways in which software distribution/use/development is controlled nowadays | Apr 09 23:21 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: copyright is another | Apr 09 23:21 |
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| oiaohm | Again it depends where MinceR | Apr 09 23:21 |
| oiaohm | Some places software patents don't apply. | Apr 09 23:22 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: the m$/novell deal is an example of the things GPLv3 is trying to protect against. | Apr 09 23:22 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: GPLv2 tried too but they found a way around the terms. | Apr 09 23:22 |
| MinceR | )iirc) | Apr 09 23:22 |
| MinceR | s/./(/ | Apr 09 23:22 |
| oiaohm | Look closer at se-postgresql MinceR the red ring is a undone dog collar as well so the nasty dog is free to get who ever is being a problem. | Apr 09 23:23 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: sadly, licensing isn't all black and white, copyleft and non-copyleft FLOSS licenses have advantages and drawbacks. | Apr 09 23:23 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: ic | Apr 09 23:24 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: since sw patents do apply in Jesusland, they're relevant to most IT business | Apr 09 23:24 |
| MinceR | it's a large and important market | Apr 09 23:24 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, everything is pretty much grey yes :D. Though I'm personally convinced that everybody is better off with less restrictions and more freedom | Apr 09 23:24 |
| MinceR | and even now the usian megacorps are trying to force sw patents on more countries | Apr 09 23:24 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: hopefully we can eventually get rid of companies like m$ and crApple and we get to reform copyright and patent laws | Apr 09 23:25 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: maybe one day we won't even need to worry about licenses | Apr 09 23:25 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, why would you get rid of Microsoft and Apple? They are the pioneers of our industry, they have made everything possible and they make awesome products. Nobody can deny that. You can disagree with their licensing, their practices, but nobody can deny that iPhone is a great product | Apr 09 23:26 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: you've got to be kidding | Apr 09 23:27 |
| satipera | :) | Apr 09 23:27 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, I'm all for reforms on copyright laws (more important than patents) | Apr 09 23:27 |
| ^CareBear | patents have a somewhat limited lifespan, copyright laws are eternal. | Apr 09 23:27 |
| ^CareBear | and copyright is automatic | Apr 09 23:27 |
| ^CareBear | it just applies to anything made | Apr 09 23:27 |
| MinceR | imo right now the elimination of sw patents is more important and urgent than copyright law reform as it poses a more direct danger | Apr 09 23:28 |
| MinceR | copyleft exists as a hack to the copyright system, but there isn't much we can do about sw patents | Apr 09 23:28 |
| ^CareBear | if it where possible, I would license some of my stuff under Public Domain, but the law doesn't allow me too | Apr 09 23:29 |
| MinceR | the law doesn't allow you to? why? | Apr 09 23:29 |
| *ziggyfish playing with Windows 2008 power shell | Apr 09 23:29 | |
| ^CareBear | it's not within the legal limits of the law to completely give away the ownership/creationship of a work | Apr 09 23:30 |
| MinceR | (if it's the case, you could still use a license like the WTFPL) | Apr 09 23:30 |
| ^CareBear | CC-BY is basically the most liberal I can do | Apr 09 23:30 |
| Omar87 | ^CareBear, iPhone is a great product? Really? | Apr 09 23:30 |
| ^CareBear | Omar87, there are no other hardware that has touch-experience that comes close | Apr 09 23:31 |
| MinceR | it's great if you had a rock but missed the color display | Apr 09 23:31 |
| MinceR | now you can get a rock replacement _with_ a color display! | Apr 09 23:31 |
| MinceR | plus you get to spend a lot of money to get it! | Apr 09 23:31 |
| Omar87 | ^CareBear, that's what it's all about? touch-experience? | Apr 09 23:31 |
| MinceR | as an added bonus it might explode at a randomly chosen time | Apr 09 23:31 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, WTFPL is nice ;) I like the introduction of battle between GPL and BSD ;) | Apr 09 23:31 |
| oiaohm | ^CareBear: MS is not really that much of a pioneer | Apr 09 23:32 |
| oiaohm | Apple maybe. | Apr 09 23:32 |
| MinceR | neither is crApple | Apr 09 23:32 |
| MinceR | all that "pioneering" m$ and crApple are so proud of comes from Xerox PARC | Apr 09 23:32 |
| oiaohm | Some devices Apple have made have been pioneering and ahead of their time. | Apr 09 23:32 |
| MinceR | and it's overrated anyway | Apr 09 23:32 |
| oiaohm | And flopped baddy. | Apr 09 23:32 |
| MinceR | what crApple pioneered was the Idiot Box | Apr 09 23:32 |
| ^CareBear | You think I was kidding? You guys gotta be kidding =) | Apr 09 23:33 |
| MinceR | (something that looks like a computer but isn't designed to be usable as one but instead designed as a toy for idiots) | Apr 09 23:33 |
| MinceR | and m$ pioneered the idea of software being completely unreliable being a normal and acceptable idea. | Apr 09 23:33 |
| oiaohm | The true pioneers were the likes of IBM Intel and so on. ^CareBear | Apr 09 23:33 |
| Omar87 | ^CareBear, it doesn't even have video capturing. It doesn't even have bluetooth, for God's sake! :P | Apr 09 23:33 |
| cubezzz | of course MIcrosoft isn't a pioneer! | Apr 09 23:33 |
| MinceR | it seems that ^CareBear wasn't kidding after all | Apr 09 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Like IBM never though the XT machine would sell. | Apr 09 23:34 |
| MinceR | so i'll have to answer those outrageous claims after all | Apr 09 23:34 |
| ^CareBear | Omar87, it's the whole experience. It's a great phone that does a minimum of functions that fills most of my needs. Though the only thing I regreet, I can't develop on it as I'm not going to use OS X, I was more an Mac OS guy back in the day =) | Apr 09 23:34 |
| oiaohm | So got the cheepest OS they could ^CareBear | Apr 09 23:34 |
| MinceR | guess what, phones for the fraction of that price do a minimum of functions too | Apr 09 23:34 |
| MinceR | plus they get real buttons (better touch experience) | Apr 09 23:34 |
| oiaohm | MS was basically in the right place at the right time. To ride on the shirt tails of other people truly doing the pioneer work. | Apr 09 23:34 |
| MinceR | and they don't explode | Apr 09 23:34 |
| MinceR | and they don't get apps/applets remotely deleted by crApple | Apr 09 23:35 |
| ^CareBear | Omar87, my iPhone does video, can capture and upload in a zippy | Apr 09 23:35 |
| oiaohm | And MS has not stopped doing the same thing. Cloning of others is how MS started. | Apr 09 23:35 |
| cubezzz | and they were predators | Apr 09 23:35 |
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| MinceR | neither m$ nor crApple ever made a "great" product | Apr 09 23:35 |
| oiaohm | Then you look at their programs today that is what they mostly do ^CareBear | Apr 09 23:35 |
| MinceR | most of their products are flawed in every way, a disgrace to the IT industry | Apr 09 23:35 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, what are in your view great products then? | Apr 09 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Include the new ribbens stuff. | Apr 09 23:36 |
| cubezzz | Commodore was selling msdos 4.01 with their pcs in the early 90's | Apr 09 23:36 |
| cubezzz | they also had AMIX | Apr 09 23:36 |
| Omar87 | ^CareBear: well, a netbook might as well fit just your needs if not even more, with a much bigger screen, and loads of other additional capabilities, and for almost half the price. So, what are you talking about? | Apr 09 23:36 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: hard to say, but most of their competitors make better products | Apr 09 23:36 |
| oiaohm | ^CareBear: A true pioneer breaks new ground. Does not wait for others to lay the ground work for them. | Apr 09 23:36 |
| cubezzz | but wow, were things ever not ideal for a long time | Apr 09 23:36 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: there are lots of products that aren't too bad -- and much better than what m$ and crApple can offer | Apr 09 23:36 |
| oiaohm | ^CareBear: tell me something MS truly pioneered. | Apr 09 23:37 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, Apple II was not pioneering? | Apr 09 23:37 |
| oiaohm | I can point to items apple did truly pioneer | Apr 09 23:37 |
| cubezzz | stealing? :) | Apr 09 23:37 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm, not only cloning, also conning and thievery. | Apr 09 23:37 |
| MinceR | apple ii was just another home computer, was it not? | Apr 09 23:37 |
| cubezzz | ah no, there was stealing before Microsoft | Apr 09 23:37 |
| MinceR | sure, it was successful | Apr 09 23:37 |
| MinceR | and the last _computer_ crApple ever produced | Apr 09 23:37 |
| MinceR | but it was hardly revolutionary | Apr 09 23:38 |
| oiaohm | One of the things apple did pioneer was auto assembing networks. | Apr 09 23:38 |
| ^CareBear | Omar87, where do you draw the line between imitation and copying? | Apr 09 23:38 |
| cubezzz | everybody copied Xerox | Apr 09 23:38 |
| oiaohm | What become zeroconf today. | Apr 09 23:38 |
| cubezzz | ironic | Apr 09 23:38 |
| Omar87 | cubezzz, yeah. that's right. But stealing is the one and only thing Microsoft had pioneered at. | Apr 09 23:39 |
| MinceR | nah, not just stealing | Apr 09 23:39 |
| MinceR | suppressing competition, too | Apr 09 23:39 |
| cubezzz | bullying, yeah | Apr 09 23:39 |
| oiaohm | Ever noticed that early apples just cable them up and they are networked. Way before MS machine ever work ^CareBear | Apr 09 23:39 |
| MinceR | finding all kinds of underhanded tactics to prevent companies with superior products from getting to the market effectively | Apr 09 23:39 |
| ^CareBear | Amiga was truly a great product, to bad they failed | Apr 09 23:39 |
| MinceR | crApple is doing that too but m$ is much more successful at it than they | Apr 09 23:39 |
| cubezzz | Amiga is not dead :) | Apr 09 23:40 |
| oiaohm | I have only asked for you to find 1 item MS truly pioneered. | Apr 09 23:40 |
| oiaohm | ^CareBear: | Apr 09 23:40 |
| cubezzz | I've been researching the situation... | Apr 09 23:40 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, yepp I have an old Mac SE 30 running Mac OS 5.4 back home at my parents house =) | Apr 09 23:40 |
| cubezzz | http://amigakit.com | Apr 09 23:40 |
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| oiaohm | There are at least 20 I can find for apple. | Apr 09 23:40 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: what has the amiga scene done to catch up with modern technology? :> | Apr 09 23:40 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm: XMLHTTP | Apr 09 23:40 |
| Omar87 | ^CareBear, when you take something as is, change it just enough to make it look legal, then selling as if it was your own invention, thats copying. | Apr 09 23:40 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: overrated and overused | Apr 09 23:40 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: and i'm not even sure if it was intentional | Apr 09 23:41 |
| cubezzz | X1000 d00d :) | Apr 09 23:41 |
| oiaohm | And xmlhttp was not what you call pioneering. | Apr 09 23:41 |
| MinceR | (seems to be a RadioActiveX API to do HTTP that just happened to also be accessible from IE) | Apr 09 23:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS had one really innovated program, Microsoft Bob. | Apr 09 23:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and clippy | Apr 09 23:41 |
| oiaohm | That is refacting exist. | Apr 09 23:41 |
| cubezzz | and Sam440 is pretty good | Apr 09 23:41 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 09 23:41 |
| ^CareBear | Omar87, so you think OS X and Win7 are stolen Xerox inventions? | Apr 09 23:41 |
| MinceR | yes, they've innovated on the field of annoyance via bob and clippy | Apr 09 23:41 |
| oiaohm | Other than Microsoft Bob not going anywhere. It was truly a pioneering class experment. | Apr 09 23:42 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: they've stolen from more places since then | Apr 09 23:42 |
| Omar87 | ^CareBear, when you release a piece of soft/hardware which you design to look/work almost exactly like your competitors, that's imitation. | Apr 09 23:42 |
| Omar87 | ^CareBear, yeah, perhaps. | Apr 09 23:42 |
| MinceR | it's easy to declare Bob an "experiment" after it failed hard | Apr 09 23:42 |
| ^CareBear | these days we rarely see any true innovations, it's mostly evolution of existing systems, patterns and technologies. There is nothing new under the Sun. | Apr 09 23:42 |
| oiaohm | Lot of work is nothing more than refactoring. ^CareBear | Apr 09 23:42 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: is there anything new under the Oracle? | Apr 09 23:42 |
| oiaohm | There is new today still ^CareBear | Apr 09 23:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <oiaohm> Other than Microsoft Bob not going anywhere. It was truly a pioneering class experment." yes it was a failed experiment, not innovation. | Apr 09 23:42 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: actually invention does happen, it's just not m$ and crApple doing it. | Apr 09 23:42 |
| Omar87 | ^CareBear, which makes the whole idea of software patents flat-out stupid. | Apr 09 23:43 |
| cubezzz | imagine if they combined the power of Clippy with Microsoft Bob | Apr 09 23:43 |
| cubezzz | :-P | Apr 09 23:43 |
| MinceR | sw patents cover vague ideas, which shouldn't be patentable | Apr 09 23:44 |
| MinceR | sw implementations are already covered by copyright | Apr 09 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I prefer MS b | Apr 09 23:44 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4 alteration of desktop to be able to share data with web and other unified frameworks are piorneering work. Could back fire badly. | Apr 09 23:44 |
| oiaohm | All pioneering work is risky. | Apr 09 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I prefer MS Bob over Vista | Apr 09 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | even Windows ME | Apr 09 23:45 |
| cubezzz | that's the next OS.... winBob | Apr 09 23:45 |
| Omar87 | ^CareBear, you can take Win7's KDE-like interface as an example of imitation. | Apr 09 23:45 |
| ^CareBear | Omar87, and you can look at Win7 and see that they stole Windows 1.0 taskbar ;) People see what they want to see | Apr 09 23:46 |
| MinceR | you can also take the taskbar and the doc as imitating RISC OS :> | Apr 09 23:46 |
| MinceR | s/doc/dock/ | Apr 09 23:46 |
| oiaohm | Vista itself does contain some piorneering class work. But its not work I would be proud of. Altering video interfaces to have protected path. So to prevent the owner of machine from doing what they want. | Apr 09 23:46 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: that's not really a taskbar, as it only shows minimized windows | Apr 09 23:46 |
| Omar87 | ^CareBear, =,= | Apr 09 23:46 |
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| oiaohm | But that work was requested by places like holywood not a microsoft invention. ^CareBear | Apr 09 23:46 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR: http://i37.tinypic.com/wiueci.gif | Apr 09 23:47 |
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| MinceR | afaik win1.0 was originally intended to have real window management | Apr 09 23:47 |
| oiaohm | After looking at MS for a while ^CareBear you find they are not pioneer's. | Apr 09 23:47 |
| MinceR | and when they settlet for tiling, that's what was left of the exposed area of the desktop | Apr 09 23:47 |
| oiaohm | The pioneers are basically everywhere bar MS. | Apr 09 23:48 |
| MinceR | s/let/led/ | Apr 09 23:48 |
| oiaohm | At least from apple I can find 10 great pioneering things if I look. | Apr 09 23:48 |
| oiaohm | they did first and they fully invented. | Apr 09 23:48 |
| MinceR | what are those? | Apr 09 23:49 |
| MinceR | the only good things i can recall ever coming from crApple are OpenCL and FireWire | Apr 09 23:49 |
| ^CareBear | oiaohm, Microsoft has traditionally been about moving stuff out to mass market, they are not known for being the ones who's first with new concepts, that's right. They have tried a lot of stuff that have failed. | Apr 09 23:49 |
| MinceR | but the former was only an idea | Apr 09 23:49 |
| MinceR | and the latter wasn't all that much of an innovation | Apr 09 23:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS rode on the coattails of IBM for many years | Apr 09 23:49 |
| ^CareBear | one innovation is bringing computers to every one ;-) | Apr 09 23:49 |
| oiaohm | zeroconf networking. | Apr 09 23:49 |
| oiaohm | early mesh network work MinceR | Apr 09 23:49 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: IBM did that, not m$ | Apr 09 23:49 |
| oiaohm | ide to sata drive converters. | Apr 09 23:50 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: m$ merely sold them a cheaper (stolen) version of CP/M-86. | Apr 09 23:50 |
| oiaohm | Yes apple made the ide drive to sata drive converts first to cut costs. | Apr 09 23:50 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Apr 09 23:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Many of MS idea;s came directly from the cooperated project of OS/2 with IBM | Apr 09 23:50 |
| oiaohm | sata/scsi | Apr 09 23:51 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i wouldn't call that much of an innovation either. | Apr 09 23:51 |
| ^CareBear | firewire was invented by Apple as well I think | Apr 09 23:51 |
| MinceR | i've already mentioned FireWire | Apr 09 23:51 |
| MinceR | and | Apr 09 23:51 |
| MinceR | 003701 < MinceR> and the latter wasn't all that much of an innovation | Apr 09 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Those converters lead to usb exteral drives MinceR | Apr 09 23:51 |
| MinceR | whoop-de-do. | Apr 09 23:51 |
| MinceR | wait, what? | Apr 09 23:52 |
| oiaohm | Yes I know not much. | Apr 09 23:52 |
| MinceR | both scsi and sata were suitable for external drives, were they not? | Apr 09 23:52 |
| MinceR | and neither had anything to do with usb | Apr 09 23:52 |
| oiaohm | The controler to convert from a ide harddrive to a scsi interface. The way it works other than scsi being change for usb and firewire and others now its basically the same as apple did first. | Apr 09 23:53 |
| MinceR | that's a stretch if i've ever seen one. | Apr 09 23:54 |
| oiaohm | They provide it was possiable to do the conversion without major performance hit MinceR | Apr 09 23:54 |
| oiaohm | Before that everyone said the performance it was too high so no one tried it. | Apr 09 23:55 |
| MinceR | actually there does seem to be a high performance hit | Apr 09 23:55 |
| MinceR | due to the controller having to poll the drive for the data | Apr 09 23:56 |
| oiaohm | Not on the ide to scsi | Apr 09 23:56 |
| ^CareBear | so what phone should I get if iPhone is crap? | Apr 09 23:56 |
| oiaohm | The apple more often ended up faster. | Apr 09 23:56 |
| MinceR | so how does that prove that ide to usb is feasible? | Apr 09 23:56 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: depends on your set of requirements | Apr 09 23:56 |
| oiaohm | I said lead to. MinceR | Apr 09 23:56 |
| ^CareBear | (I'm not getting another HTC as I've had 4-5 the last years) | Apr 09 23:56 |
| MinceR | i'm getting a nokia n97 | Apr 09 23:57 |
| ^CareBear | no Sony Ericsson, had enough. No Nokia, haven't had in many many years | Apr 09 23:57 |
| MinceR | but i have some special requirements. | Apr 09 23:57 |
| oiaohm | Once the first converters exists others looked at where it could be used in other areas. MinceR | Apr 09 23:57 |
| oiaohm | Yes the USB ones are not what you call high performing. | Apr 09 23:57 |
| ^CareBear | I need some social media apps, browser, lots of email accounts, and decent photos | Apr 09 23:57 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: like i said, that's an extreme stretch. | Apr 09 23:58 |
| ^CareBear | decent photos = camera | Apr 09 23:58 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: how much openness do you need from the platform? | Apr 09 23:58 |
| oiaohm | Remember apple did the firewire drives first as well from the same controller tech. MinceR | Apr 09 23:58 |
| ^CareBear | well I would like to have mono or other .net runtime on it, as I'm primarily a C# developer | Apr 09 23:58 |
| MinceR | ^CareBear: as long as you don't need a headset adaptor, i can recommend the nokia n900 :) | Apr 09 23:58 |
| ^CareBear | but I'm surviving today with the iPhone, doing web-apps instead | Apr 09 23:58 |
| ^CareBear | MinceR, looks nice | Apr 09 23:59 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure what "social media apps" are, besides a web browser | Apr 09 23:59 |
| oiaohm | And since firewire had harddrive for large storage someone had to clone it onto usb. MinceR | Apr 09 23:59 |
| MinceR | and i don't know how lots of email accounts are a challenge to mobile phones | Apr 09 23:59 |
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