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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[aondo] @schestowitz: i got inspired by an article on a guy running archlinux for his audio setup. http://is.gd/bSPAX so thought to gain experience. | May 04 00:15 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfBCiPfqFeY | May 04 00:18 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: check it out | May 04 00:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: which guy, the ex-con? | May 04 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | May 04 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | he's been blasting me out lately | May 04 00:19 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* you rascal you | May 04 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | I got some earplugs to drown him out | May 04 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 04 00:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Nice to see Gordon Brown show his principles and beliefs http://bit.ly/dBRZBJ three days before he's fired. | May 04 00:20 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Gordon Brown's speech to Citizens UK .::. Size~: 88.88 KB | May 04 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I have the speakers right above his bedroom | May 04 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | two down firing subwoofers | May 04 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | playing Godsmack albums | May 04 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | lol | May 04 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I also downloaded some Barney music | May 04 00:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] My traitor of a 3 year old son, Sam, is in bed tightly cuddling a green plush SUSE Lizard from #oggcamp! #Ubuntu needs a cuddly mascot! | May 04 00:21 | |
| DaemonFC | I heard they used these CDs at Guantanemo Bay | May 04 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | I can kind of see why | May 04 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | Metallica's Black Album is up next though | May 04 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I may sleep with these ear plugs from now on, with or without that moron downstairs | May 04 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | best sleep I've had in years | May 04 00:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "We are for the Big Society. You are in the Little Society." | May 04 00:34 | |
| schestowitz | Barney? | May 04 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he likes it | May 04 00:37 |
| schestowitz | [00:26] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: I may sleep with these ear plugs from now on, with or without that moron downstairs | May 04 00:37 |
| schestowitz | I've always used some for 10 years | May 04 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Because the hard-drives doing backups make a lot of noise | May 04 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Custom molded or disposables? | May 04 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | I've been wondering who can make me some good custom molded ones | May 04 00:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YztNw1FEJJY | May 04 00:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Poet dream of the Creator .::. Size~: 83.08 KB | May 04 00:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] I know! Let's set up minority rule and pretend it's majority rule so that nobody notices! http://ff.im/jLZwR | May 04 00:43 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: I know! Let's set up minority rule and pretend... - Toby Thain - FriendFeed .::. Size~: 6.59 KB | May 04 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Watch a so-caleld 'truther' getting owned. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFIEAcCN2qE | May 04 00:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Atheists vs. 9/11 Truther! .::. Size~: 88.46 KB | May 04 00:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Fixed the tumble dryer today by replacing the heater and thermostat unit I bought off ebay.Quite an achievement for someone like me anti-DIY | May 04 01:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Daily news links (for those who are interested I post these daily) http://techrights.org/2010/05/03/lubuntu-10-04-released/ | May 04 01:12 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Links 3/5/2010: Lubuntu 10.04 Released; Peppermint OS Reviewed | Techrights .::. Size~: 115.87 KB | May 04 01:12 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Interesting - @fivethirtyeight predicts a *completely* hung parliament, likely with a Tory minority govt http://bit.ly/9GLb5i | May 04 01:24 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Conservatives Climb To 308 in UK Seats Projection; Labour 198, LibDems 113 .::. Size~: 204.41 KB | May 04 01:24 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard Interesting @fivethirtyeight predicts a *completely* hung parliament, likely with a Tory minority govt http://bit.ly/9GLb5i | May 04 01:40 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: FiveThirtyEight: Politics Done Right: Conservatives Climb To 308 in UK Seats Projection; Labour 198, LibDems 113 .::. Size~: 208.12 KB | May 04 01:40 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/BytePatent/statuses/13330201871 "@schestowitz If you are looking to have a closed conversation with no discussion or debate, you picked the wrong medium #swpat #patent" | May 04 01:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Twitter / Richard Almon: @schestowitz If you are lo ... .::. Size~: 11.09 KB | May 04 01:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wal-Mart Removes #Microsoft #Zune From Shelves — Source http://ur1.ca/ypos new Zune-like phones fail to impress anyone | May 04 01:42 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Wal-Mart Removes Microsoft Zune From Shelves Source | Techrights .::. Size~: 79.93 KB | May 04 01:42 |
| schestowitz | WHat an annoying guy, probably an 'IP' lawyer | May 04 01:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've begun extending a Web page about "Companies That Harm Software Freedom" http://ur1.ca/ypph lots of work left... | May 04 01:48 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Companies That Harm Software Freedom - Techrights .::. Size~: 11.15 KB | May 04 01:48 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/71908 " | May 04 01:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Tuesday, 04-May-10 00:28:51 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.54 KB | May 04 01:53 |
| schestowitz | openuniverse | May 04 01:53 |
| schestowitz | @schestowitz i'm surprised that instead of "innovating" an "original" product without building on other ideas, microsoft would "steal" apple's "intellectual property" by making a phone that plays mp3's - don't they know "piracy" doesn't pay? :P | May 04 01:53 |
| schestowitz | Seems as though Microsoft claims (still!) that Apple 'stole' their idea of a PMP when making hypePods | May 04 01:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Walmart stops stocking Zune after MSFT stop paying a fortune to buy it in http://techrights.org/2010/05/03/zune-not-on-display/ | May 04 01:55 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Wal-Mart Removes Microsoft Zune From Shelves Source | Techrights .::. Size~: 79.93 KB | May 04 01:55 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/71921 "Whomever first made portable cassette players should send both of them lawyer letters. I hate that game, but those who love it should eat the fruit of it." | May 04 02:08 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: حالة Walt Hucks (lnxwalt280) في يوم Tuesday, 04-May-10 00:42:17 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.04 KB | May 04 02:09 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/30860037#notice-30956720 'well they stole dos from digital, mem management from quarterdeck, gui from xerox, web browsing from cern, tabs from mozilla, and it's just to be expected nowadays- we live in a sea of corporate "piracy"' | May 04 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | I think Opera is attributed for the tabs, though (well, for Web browsers anyway). I doesn't take a genius. Arrrrrr.... | May 04 02:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/02/immigration-border-illegal-racism | May 04 02:12 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Mexico's migrants gaze north – and no 'racist' law will stop them |World news |The Observer .::. Size~: 187.5 KB | May 04 02:12 |
| schestowitz | "I think Opera first implemented real tabs, but K-meleon and Maxthon simulated tabs by binding separate browser Windows into one. That may have been earlier than Opera." http://280.status.net/notice/71936 | May 04 02:20 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: حالة Walt Hucks (lnxwalt280) في يوم Tuesday, 04-May-10 01:00:55 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.91 KB | May 04 02:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RE: @newser @ Gus- doesn't actually matter. #Fox+#Palin exist to distract from any substantive issue or debate. Rupe's… http://disq.us/dlzpt | May 04 02:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RE: @newser @ Gus Hedges - Murdoch just delivers the distractions his clients want. Who wins is immaterial when both c… http://disq.us/dlzpw | May 04 02:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | the primaries are tomorrow | May 04 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | time to go pick the least bad Republican then turn around and vote for the Democrat in the Fall | May 04 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 04 03:22 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] LOL! Anyone checked the image at #Google's main page today? :D #BdayUmKulthum | May 04 03:39 | |
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| DaemonFC | how much does a Segway cost? | May 04 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | guy on Pawn Stars is selling his | May 04 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | seems to me that my electric bike is a better deal | May 04 03:48 |
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| DeadSuperHero | Hiya, folks. | May 04 03:57 |
| DaemonFC | morning | May 04 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | -ish | May 04 04:06 |
| DeadSuperHero | Haha. | May 04 04:07 |
| DeadSuperHero | I guess it's morning to somebody. | May 04 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | 11 PM anyway :P | May 04 04:16 |
| cubezzz | I saw a guy on an electric bike today | May 04 04:18 |
| cubezzz | I bet they are getting more common | May 04 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | probably | May 04 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | they're usually sufficient for running around town | May 04 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | as long as you do't need to bring a (heavy/odd shaped/lots of) stuff with you | May 04 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 04 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | *any | May 04 04:21 |
| cubezzz | a full load of groceries might be tricky | May 04 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | but it can reduce your dependence on your car | May 04 04:22 |
| cubezzz | or you could just make more trips with less | May 04 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | at least half my running around is doable on the bike | May 04 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | even now that my car works, I will continue to use the bike for running errands | May 04 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | saves a lot of gas | May 04 04:22 |
| cubezzz | gas is a significant expense | May 04 04:23 |
| cubezzz | it's around a dollar per litre here :) | May 04 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | $2.88 a gallon | May 04 04:23 |
| cubezzz | $3.78 a gallon :-/ | May 04 04:24 |
| cubezzz | actually your gas is relatively cheap | May 04 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | yikes | May 04 04:24 |
| cubezzz | even higher in Europe DaemonFC | May 04 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I was pissed when it got over $3 a gallon | May 04 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | livid actually | May 04 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't surprise me | May 04 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | probably all that carbon tax bullshit | May 04 04:25 |
| cubezzz | the problem with the bike is people stealing them | May 04 04:25 |
| cubezzz | like if you go to the mall... | May 04 04:25 |
| cubezzz | but that is probably safe enough | May 04 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | when I go to Walmart, I park it inside the store, right next to where the greeter sits | May 04 04:26 |
| cubezzz | ah :) | May 04 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | throw the batteries in my shopping cart | May 04 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | lol | May 04 04:26 |
| cubezzz | plus you could remove both wheels :) | May 04 04:27 |
| cubezzz | but that would be a pain | May 04 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | if they steal it, they have a big heavy bike that they need $260 worth of batteries for | May 04 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | way to go, huh? :) | May 04 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | 1. They'd need one battery to make it work at all. ($130) 2. They'd have a used bike that's $400 new WITH a battery which is now used and not with battery. | May 04 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | If they wanted to sell it as a used bike, they'd get $200, after buying $130 battery and net about $70 | May 04 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | it's not even worth stealing at that point | May 04 04:29 |
| cubezzz | people do steal bikes though | May 04 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | there's easier ways to make more money illegally, faster | May 04 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | yes, could be some idiot not thinking out what he is doing | May 04 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | I know | May 04 04:30 |
| cubezzz | people break into computer stores a lot | May 04 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | an entry-level model electric bike without the batteries is not the best heist you could make | May 04 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | is what I'm saying | May 04 04:31 |
| cubezzz | and government offices, colleges... | May 04 04:31 |
| cubezzz | yeah you're probably safe | May 04 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, I think I might cancel my cable TV | May 04 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | just go with Netflix | May 04 04:33 |
| cubezzz | good idea | May 04 04:33 |
| cubezzz | or even get an Antenna | May 04 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | spend everything I was for my TV on something I want to watch | May 04 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | no commercials even :D | May 04 04:33 |
| cubezzz | how much does it cost? | May 04 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, I'm on the 3 DVDs out at a time + unlimited streaming plan | May 04 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | $16 a month I think | May 04 04:34 |
| cubezzz | my Antenna is $0 per month :) | May 04 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | add blu ray to your account and it's another $4 | May 04 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | I ordered a blu ray player | May 04 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 04 04:34 |
| cubezzz | are you using torrents? | May 04 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | torrents aren't worth it | May 04 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | the stuff I tend to look for don't have lots of seeds and are low quality and done up by idiots usually | May 04 04:35 |
| cubezzz | I kind of like RTN | May 04 04:37 |
| cubezzz | old shows like Mannix and Kojak :) | May 04 04:37 |
| cubezzz | actually it's RTV now, they changed the name | May 04 04:39 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, I'm going to either cancel my cable TV or move to the cheapest plan | May 04 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | if I get rid of it, they up my internet price by $15 a month | May 04 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | their cheapest TV package is $30 | May 04 04:40 |
| cubezzz | I'm lucky, I have access to probably the best Antenna location in North America plus Im on a freenet for internet | May 04 04:40 |
| cubezzz | so you save $15 | May 04 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | May 04 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | is it worth losing all those channels? | May 04 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | maybe | May 04 04:41 |
| cubezzz | FTA satellite or Antenna then | May 04 04:41 |
| cubezzz | both free after your initial investment | May 04 04:42 |
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| cubezzz | no way I'd go back to Rogers now | May 04 04:42 |
| cubezzz | I see more and more UHF Antennas every day | May 04 04:43 |
| cubezzz | still wish I kept the big VHF Antenna though, it made an excellent radio antenna | May 04 04:43 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, I think if I have Limited Basic for $19.99 a month, I still get to keep my current internet price | May 04 04:45 |
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| DaemonFC | basically lets me keep a few local channels and only pay $4 a month more than internet alone :P | May 04 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | may just do that, $46.95 for both that way vs the $90-ish I pay for what I get now | May 04 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | bbl | May 04 04:48 |
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| Ender2070 | [23:25] <DaemonFC> is it worth losing all those channels? | May 04 04:58 |
| Ender2070 | hell yes | May 04 04:58 |
| Ender2070 | not worth having so many channels when theres only a few things to watch | May 04 05:00 |
| Ender2070 | the good networks even have online shows for free | May 04 05:00 |
| Ender2070 | a&e, discovery, showcase, etc | May 04 05:00 |
| Ender2070 | theres commercials, but way way way less than on paid cable/satellite | May 04 05:01 |
| Ender2070 | ill probably end up watching even less tv as time goes on | May 04 05:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Top 10 reasons why you should STOP using #Facebook: http://gizmodo.com/5530178/ (Plz retweet & spread everywhere!) | May 04 05:02 | |
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| Ender2070 | NBC admitted it was putting commercials into their shows, product placement 2.0 | May 04 05:02 |
| Ender2070 | facebook is going to get sued if they dont fix their problems | May 04 05:02 |
| Ender2070 | they have till this summer before the canadian government does | May 04 05:06 |
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| Ender2070 | oh wow firefox uses too much ram I noticed | May 04 05:07 |
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| Ender2070 | 100+Mb | May 04 05:08 |
| cubezzz | that's why I use lynx | May 04 05:18 |
| cubezzz | check stocks? lynx | May 04 05:19 |
| cubezzz | check weather? lynx | May 04 05:19 |
| cubezzz | much faster than firefox or any GUI | May 04 05:19 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Today is International day against DRM : http://ping.fm/GrLwz | May 04 05:27 | |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Since when did SpikeTV start airing Japanese wrestling matches? | May 04 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | that American guy is kicking that Japanese guy's ass though | May 04 05:30 |
| *DaemonFC keeps watching | May 04 05:30 | |
| DaemonFC | woohoo!!!! | May 04 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | knockout! | May 04 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | errr boxing I meant | May 04 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 04 05:31 |
| neighborlee | http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/160847.php | May 04 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | good news though, Cinergy is going into the TV, Phone, Cable business | May 04 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | and laying a bunch of fiber around here | May 04 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | so AT&T and Comcast are in deep shit | May 04 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | as soon as this goes operational | May 04 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | you'll see both of them trying to drop costs to keep customers from bailing | May 04 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | it will be great | May 04 05:40 |
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| cubezzz | I dont watch spiketv | May 04 05:54 |
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| DaemonFC | "When a loser joins forces with the coward...what can they accomplish?" | May 04 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | from the movie I'm watching :) | May 04 06:12 |
| cubezzz | I don't need cable | May 04 06:16 |
| cubezzz | at all | May 04 06:16 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Regarding your questions about homosexuality, hopefully this is an adequate answer: http://is.gd/bTa5D @GodDebate #NARTH | May 04 06:38 | |
| cubezzz | there's some interesting anti-cable commercials on youtube from the 1960's | May 04 06:43 |
| cubezzz | when cable tv first appeared | May 04 06:44 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @omar_s_hafez: Fuck you and your fucking god. Motherfucker. :) How's that? Btw, nice link to a pseudoscientific nutcase. | May 04 06:53 | |
| DaemonFC | NARTH is Pseudoscience on many fronts, even if you ignore the fact that practically all their funding comes from churches that want to perpetuate the ex-gay myth | May 04 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | "The Lala service will be shut down on May 31st. | May 04 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | In appreciation of your support over the last five years, you will receive a credit in the amount of your Lala web song purchases for use on Apple's iTunes Store." | May 04 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | How nice of them... | May 04 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | they won't refund you your money, they'll give you "credits" to use on iTunes | May 04 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | even if you liked Lala and hate Apple | May 04 06:58 |
| cubezzz | I don't use itunes :) | May 04 06:58 |
| cubezzz | "The industry strongly lobbies against federal "family tier" and "a la carte cable television" bills which would provide consumers the option of purchasing individual channels rather than a broad tier of programming" | May 04 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, I've wanted that for years | May 04 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | they package their channels such that for every channel you want, you have to subscribe to 20 you don't | May 04 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | and pay for the entire package | May 04 07:00 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, do you know how old cable tv is? | May 04 07:00 |
| cubezzz | we first got cable tv in canada in 1952 | May 04 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | so I get bullshit like Black Entertainment in order to get Syfy | May 04 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | that's not an accident | May 04 07:00 |
| cubezzz | I get chinese tv | May 04 07:01 |
| cubezzz | but it's free :) | May 04 07:01 |
| cubezzz | OMNI 2 has chinese and italian | May 04 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | I hate cable | May 04 07:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] just noticed that I have crossed 3000+ tweets #twitter #nsisodiya | May 04 07:02 | |
| DaemonFC | I watch 2-3 channels regularly and 40 or so never | May 04 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | and have to pay for all of them | May 04 07:02 |
| cubezzz | in the beginning there was only CBC :) | May 04 07:04 |
| cubezzz | every channel was therefore a CBC affiliate | May 04 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | that explains a lot | May 04 07:05 |
| cubezzz | but I think we even got Buffalo TV before that | May 04 07:05 |
| cubezzz | in the late 1940's | May 04 07:05 |
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| cubezzz | "In 1948, there were 325 television sets in Canada." ;-) | May 04 07:06 |
| cubezzz | I bet people got more work done too :) | May 04 07:06 |
| cubezzz | to get people to buy the first tvs they had easy credit terms | May 04 07:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] SchoolOS now have ComputerMasti Ebooks http://www.computermasti.com on Desktop | May 04 07:08 | |
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| oiaohm | Not really cubezzz | May 04 07:12 |
| oiaohm | People have to do the same ammout of not more that we have TV. | May 04 07:13 |
| oiaohm | Problem is TV gives us less time todo it so hello more stress. | May 04 07:13 |
| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODIwOQ | May 04 07:14 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Highlander 2 is pure shit | May 04 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | Netflix popped that up for me to rate | May 04 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | I gave it 1 star | May 04 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 04 07:30 |
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| MinceR | you sure showed 'em | May 04 07:36 |
| cubezzz | I just realized my LCD won't handle all the video modes of the Amiga 1200 | May 04 07:38 |
| MinceR | why? | May 04 07:38 |
| cubezzz | it needs to sync down to 15 Khz | May 04 07:38 |
| cubezzz | workbench will work, but most games won't | May 04 07:39 |
| cubezzz | unless there's some LCD which can do that, which I doubt | May 04 07:40 |
| MinceR | or you could just emulate that amiga 1200 :> | May 04 07:43 |
| cubezzz | it's just not the same | May 04 07:44 |
| MinceR | indeed -- one of them can drive an LCD, the other can't. :> | May 04 07:44 |
| cubezzz | well I'm open to suggestions | May 04 07:45 |
| cubezzz | I want a computer like the Amiga 1200 which is fully documented to the register level | May 04 07:45 |
| cubezzz | anyways, there's a video board you can add to the Amiga 1200 which will make it work with a modern LCD | May 04 07:46 |
| MinceR | you could use a CRT | May 04 07:46 |
| MinceR | or look for an LCD that can do what you need | May 04 07:46 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | May 04 07:47 |
| Ender2070 | awesome, im starting to like the tories | May 04 07:47 |
| cubezzz | I like the LCD idea the best | May 04 07:47 |
| Ender2070 | http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100503/national/senator_f_bomb_1 | May 04 07:47 |
| MinceR | though i'm not sure if scanline-using effects will work with an LCD anyway (or how much amigas used those) | May 04 07:47 |
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| Ender2070 | "Shut the fuck up on this issue ... If you push it, there will be more backlash. This is now a political football. This is not about women’s health in this country." | May 04 07:48 |
| cubezzz | maybe it's safer just to find the right CRT | May 04 07:48 |
| Ender2070 | bam | May 04 07:48 |
| cubezzz | I'll rather not use a KVM that's for sure | May 04 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, My best option for getting rid of cable TV is to just get their Limited Basic package I think | May 04 07:49 |
| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - you paid money to see highlander 2 ? | May 04 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | keeps my $15 "discount" on internet and gives me several local channels | May 04 07:50 |
| DaemonFC | difference amounts to $4 for those channels considering that | May 04 07:50 |
| MinceR | saying "shut the fuck up" means having a tongue like a sailor? i thought there was more to 'swearing like a sailor' than that... | May 04 07:50 |
| Ender2070 | lol | May 04 07:50 |
| DaemonFC | reminds me of the phone company making dry DSL lines available but rigging up "discounts" so you only save a few dollars vs. a basic phone line too | May 04 07:51 |
| Ender2070 | i think thats awesome | May 04 07:51 |
| Ender2070 | harper was pretty much like "kill your own babies" | May 04 07:51 |
| MinceR | which they should | May 04 07:51 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | May 04 07:51 |
| cubezzz | you can do family planning without killing babies | May 04 07:52 |
| Ender2070 | exactly | May 04 07:52 |
| Ender2070 | its just some of these people really dont want the foreigners having kids at all so planned parenting will lean towards abortion in almost every case they come across | May 04 07:53 |
| cubezzz | unless you're a first nations or intuit you're not a native :) | May 04 07:53 |
| cubezzz | I'm an immigrant myself | May 04 07:54 |
| Ender2070 | i was born here | May 04 07:54 |
| Ender2070 | i was really putting it in terminology daemonfc might understand | May 04 07:54 |
| Ender2070 | ill try to rephrase | May 04 07:54 |
| DaemonFC | abortions are more profitable | May 04 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | planned parenthood spends money if they just pass out contracetives | May 04 07:55 |
| cubezzz | to me abortion is a last resort | May 04 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | but if they can charge hundred of dollars per abortion, it becomes the front line option | May 04 07:55 |
| MinceR | abortions cost money, too | May 04 07:55 |
| Ender2070 | they cost the victim money instead though | May 04 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That's the thing, they don't mention the free contraceptives | May 04 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | they pep talk teenage girls into getting an abortion | May 04 07:56 |
| Ender2070 | condoms cost planned parenthood money, arbortions make them money | May 04 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | because someone is paying them to | May 04 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | yes, exactly | May 04 07:56 |
| MinceR | ic | May 04 07:57 |
| Ender2070 | theres even quotas in places like china | May 04 07:57 |
| oiaohm | Either way it costs. | May 04 07:57 |
| oiaohm | Question is what. | May 04 07:57 |
| Ender2070 | they want it to be canadian tax payers money | May 04 07:57 |
| oiaohm | Not like having extra people costs nothing. | May 04 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | I believe a few things here... | May 04 07:58 |
| Ender2070 | theres only 32 million people in canada, with a land mass nearly the size of russia | May 04 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | 1. Government should pay for condoms. | May 04 07:58 |
| Ender2070 | i dont think we need to pay for someone elses abortions | May 04 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | 2. Government should pay for birth control pills. | May 04 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | 3. Government should pay for sterilizations. | May 04 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | 4. Government should make YOU pay for any kids you have | May 04 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 04 07:58 |
| cubezzz | there's still baby bonuses isn't there? | May 04 07:59 |
| Ender2070 | actually I think they pay some people who get sterilized | May 04 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, Through the welfare system you mean? | May 04 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, all kinds | May 04 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | the government even sends their kids to federal kindergarten | May 04 07:59 |
| Ender2070 | we still need the baby bonus | May 04 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | calls it Head Start | May 04 07:59 |
| Ender2070 | if canadian citizens can't keep up with the 1% population growth they have to let more foreigners in, fact | May 04 08:00 |
| cubezzz | birth rate = death rate seems a good idea | May 04 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | May 04 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | May 04 08:01 |
| Ender2070 | people are coming into this country for as little as 5 years and getting full pension | May 04 08:01 |
| Ender2070 | retarded | May 04 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | Canada is still playing the tough immigration rules that the United States should have | May 04 08:01 |
| Ender2070 | we're not tough at all | May 04 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | but it makes no sense for them with an aging population that's not growing | May 04 08:01 |
| Ender2070 | you can come here and not even be a citizen, your entire life pretty much | May 04 08:02 |
| Ender2070 | nobody will kick you out | May 04 08:02 |
| Ender2070 | in the states you get 5 years, if they catch you | May 04 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, They're deporting all the US soldiers that are going up there to keep from being stop-lossed | May 04 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | explain that | May 04 08:02 |
| cubezzz | does that mean if they don't kick you out after 5 years you can stay in the US? | May 04 08:02 |
| Ender2070 | not all | May 04 08:02 |
| Ender2070 | cubezzz - no | May 04 08:02 |
| Ender2070 | cubezzz - they have to catch you i think | May 04 08:03 |
| Ender2070 | might be a different number too | May 04 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, What I mean is that the US government turns a blind eye | May 04 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | and the companies that hire illegals don't want a way for them to become citizens | May 04 08:03 |
| cubezzz | I thought there was some sort of amnesty after a while | May 04 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's like a Don't Ask Don't Tell for illegal immigration and employment | May 04 08:03 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, No | May 04 08:04 |
| Ender2070 | i think most would get married | May 04 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | a friend of mine had to fight them for over 2 years | May 04 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | and she has been in the US for 26 years now | May 04 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 04 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | since just after birth | May 04 08:04 |
| Ender2070 | the only thing tougher here is employment | May 04 08:05 |
| Ender2070 | for non-citizens | May 04 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | I mentioned in court that for all anyone could prove, she was Puerto Rican and a US citizen by birth anyway | May 04 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 04 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | they eventually ruled that she could stay | May 04 08:05 |
| Ender2070 | theres no such thing as an illegal immigrant here | May 04 08:06 |
| cubezzz | what do they call it then? :) | May 04 08:06 |
| Ender2070 | its not illegal | May 04 08:06 |
| cubezzz | I can get an amiga monitor for $100 | May 04 08:07 |
| cubezzz | only problem will be shipping it | May 04 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | if Canada had the proposed US system I would say "I have no skills, I don't plan to work, my family plans to abuse your welfare and healthcare system...when can we come in?" | May 04 08:07 |
| Ender2070 | then we would put you through college too | May 04 08:07 |
| cubezzz | don't forget mentally ill and alocoholic too :) | May 04 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | sweet | May 04 08:08 |
| Ender2070 | any 2 year program with good career prospects | May 04 08:08 |
| cubezzz | $100 for the monitor plus $100 for shipping :-/ | May 04 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, I did deduct the cost it took to go through that CNA program from my taxes that year | May 04 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | here, the government really only pays for college for minorities | May 04 08:10 |
| Ender2070 | oh dude | May 04 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | if you're white, you could get lucky and get a grant approved | May 04 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | but it's not as likely | May 04 08:10 |
| cubezzz | ok, it's back to the indivision 1200 then | May 04 08:10 |
| Ender2070 | its that racist against white people | May 04 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | racial quotas | May 04 08:11 |
| Ender2070 | sounds racist | May 04 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | they have to have half the grants going to minorities that make up less than 15% of the population | May 04 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | it's ridiculous | May 04 08:11 |
| Ender2070 | yeah it is | May 04 08:12 |
| Ender2070 | nobody condems pro-amnesty groups | May 04 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, I'm all for equality, I really am | May 04 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | but these programs are jsut reverse discrimination against white people | May 04 08:15 |
| Ender2070 | i agree with you | May 04 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | why not have a pool where people put in their names and SAT scores and go from there? | May 04 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | call it a merit system | May 04 08:16 |
| Ender2070 | not even names | May 04 08:16 |
| Ender2070 | use nicknames for anon. | May 04 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | if some black dude gets a higher SAT than me and that's why he gets a grant and I don't, I'm OK | May 04 08:16 |
| Ender2070 | that way they cant say "this guy sounds like a black guy" | May 04 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | at least it was fair | May 04 08:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Good moring everybody, today is the day against DRM: http://tinyurl.com/23fjfes | May 04 08:17 | |
| DaemonFC | the military doesn't punish the recruits that finish the obstacle course first | May 04 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | then pick up and carry the slackers to the finish line | May 04 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | why does the grant system do this? | May 04 08:17 |
| DaemonFC | "All the minority recruits automatically finish basic, all the white ones have to claw each others eyes out for the remaining slots" | May 04 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | lol | May 04 08:18 |
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| DaemonFC | B-) | May 04 08:21 |
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| Ender2070 | you probably listen to David Duke | May 04 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, no | May 04 08:23 |
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| DaemonFC | I just don't think the grant system is fair | May 04 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | it should pay no consideration to race | May 04 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | not weighting minorities so as to give special treatment | May 04 08:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Canadians don't want "to be boiled like frogs" in #Harper's cynical, backwards 'incremental conservatism'... http://ff.im/jMW0Q | May 04 08:27 | |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, I went to the chiropractor | May 04 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's nice being insured again | May 04 08:27 |
| Ender2070 | :) | May 04 08:28 |
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| DaemonFC | "I'm just going to give your neck a little push here" *craaaaaaack!!!* | May 04 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "That was some little push!" :P | May 04 08:31 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, I've just realist they we should call lawyers "trollawyers" when it comes to "IP" | May 04 09:02 |
| schestowitz | *realised | May 04 09:02 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: are you there? | May 04 09:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat on Patent Trolls; Apple Antitrust; Microsoft Attacks Theora, Which is Needed to Save Our Video Culture http://ur1.ca/yrch | May 04 09:04 | |
| schestowitz | "As of last Friday, Opera Browser has a new EULA aimed to make easier it's inclusion into Linux and other Open Source operating systems. " http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?p=798544#798544 | May 04 09:10 |
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| TechrightsBot | Hello World! | May 04 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I noticed that the noise reduction rating is lower on those custom fit earplugs | May 04 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | and they're damned expensive | May 04 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | $50 to have yourself fitted, and $130 for the earplugs | May 04 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | you could get a lot of disposables for that price | May 04 09:17 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: yes | May 04 09:19 |
| MinceR | earplugs suck | May 04 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | noise sucks worse | May 04 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure it's illegal to shoot the guy downstairs | May 04 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | nobody will stop him | May 04 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | so, earplugs | May 04 09:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: any way of mailing that stuff? It's mostly a 10-hour period that I was absent for | May 04 09:21 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i can't even extract it from the log | May 04 09:22 |
| MinceR | it's all merged in daily log files under ~/irclogs/freenode/ named like *.2010-04-28 (yes, with a literal asterisk) | May 04 09:23 |
| schestowitz | That's Ok | May 04 09:23 |
| schestowitz | Let's see if others have it | May 04 09:23 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: do you keep logs in this channel? | May 04 09:23 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I reckon nothing happened in the other two channels | May 04 09:24 |
| schestowitz | This one is like 100 time more active | May 04 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, figure the temporary insanity plea would stick? | May 04 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | if I were to shoot him that is | May 04 09:24 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: so little happened on those two i could just /lastlog them to a file | May 04 09:25 |
| schestowitz | Aondo or amarsh04 might also have full logs (has any of you got channel logs for the 29th and 30th of April)? | May 04 09:25 |
| schestowitz | ping amarsh04 | May 04 09:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ISO pushing for a patent-free video codec, committee stuffing, yes you can do it: http://ur1.ca/yrg8 | May 04 09:28 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Rob Glidden » MPEG Issues Resolution on Type-1 (Royalty-Free) Standardization .::. Size~: 47 KB | May 04 09:28 |
| MinceR | lastlog worked so i can send you the logs of #boycottnovell-social and #techrights from those days (without colors and such codes though) | May 04 09:28 |
| schestowitz | Please do send :-) | May 04 09:28 |
| MinceR | to what address? | May 04 09:29 |
| schestowitz | r @ schestowitz com | May 04 09:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The analysis of patents is outside of the scope and competence of ISO and MPEG: http://ur1.ca/yrg8 | May 04 09:30 | |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: mail sent | May 04 09:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] MPEG believes that 20 years after its publication some technology will become royalty-free: http://ur1.ca/yrg8 | May 04 09:35 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Rob Glidden » MPEG Issues Resolution on Type-1 (Royalty-Free) Standardization .::. Size~: 47.88 KB | May 04 09:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning all, how are things with you good folks today? | May 04 09:37 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: THANKS! | May 04 09:45 |
| schestowitz | Handy: http://wdvl.com/Authoring/Linux/Command-line/Jason_Gilmore04302010.html | May 04 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/04/us.gulf.oil.spill.main/?hpt=C1 | May 04 09:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Senator: 'BP says it'll pay for this mess. Baloney.' - CNN.com .::. Size~: 54.21 KB | May 04 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | Ihttp://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/92676374.html | May 04 09:51 |
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| schestowitz | "Will sharpshoot for food" | May 04 09:56 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: np | May 04 09:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to make an ‘Obama’ HOPE Poster in GIMP http://ur1.ca/yrlw Very nice, the #GIMP is great | May 04 10:01 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: How to make an Obama HOPE Poster in GIMP | Scott Photographics | Photography & Graphic Design Resources .::. Size~: 65.22 KB | May 04 10:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/ROSE-Blog-Rikki-s-Open-Source-Exchange/Facebook-Friend-or-Frenemy?blogbox | May 04 10:01 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Facebook: Friend, or Frenemy? - Linux Magazine Online .::. Size~: 31.03 KB | May 04 10:01 |
| MinceR | just plain enemy, imo | May 04 10:02 |
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| cubezzz | oh well | May 04 10:13 |
| cubezzz | AROS keeps crashing | May 04 10:14 |
| cubezzz | it looks interesting but it's not ready | May 04 10:14 |
| cubezzz | guess Linux is still the best :) | May 04 10:15 |
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| cubezzz | and my old router works better than my new one, odd | May 04 10:21 |
| cubezzz | it just seems like most of the best dev is on Linux | May 04 10:22 |
| cubezzz | and I still say older Linux is better, at least in some ways | May 04 10:23 |
| oiaohm | Did you try the windows manager form of AROS cubezzz | May 04 10:26 |
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| pawel_123 | hi | May 04 10:27 |
| pawel_123 | did you read: | May 04 10:27 |
| pawel_123 | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=sprewell_licensing&num=1 | May 04 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: [Phoronix] Towards A Real Business Model For Open-Source Software .::. Size~: 24.57 KB | May 04 10:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @schestowitz: How to make an ‘Obama’ HOPE Poster in GIMP http://ur1.ca/yrlw Very nice, the #GIMP is great | May 04 10:28 | |
| pawel_123 | some guy is propagating *bsd licenses over GPL, because it will help Linux and open source to gain some bussines attention | May 04 10:28 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: How to make an Obama HOPE Poster in GIMP | Scott Photographics | Photography & Graphic Design Resources .::. Size~: 65.14 KB | May 04 10:28 |
| pawel_123 | he calls the GPL a communist license in Phoronix forum | May 04 10:28 |
| MinceR | sure, it will gain the attention of m$ and crApple -- more code for them to rip off | May 04 10:28 |
| pawel_123 | exactly | May 04 10:29 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, no | May 04 10:29 |
| MinceR | GNU/Linux already has the attention of other businesses | May 04 10:29 |
| MinceR | and so does free software | May 04 10:29 |
| cubezzz | actually the live cd ran better than linux hosted | May 04 10:29 |
| pawel_123 | I wonder why such thing appeared at Phoronix? :) | May 04 10:29 |
| cubezzz | but couldn't get the network stuff going | May 04 10:29 |
| MinceR | because of IDG, i presume | May 04 10:29 |
| pawel_123 | the guy hates fsf too | May 04 10:29 |
| MinceR | they also had a rather trolling article on benchmarking ubuntu vs vista7 | May 04 10:29 |
| pawel_123 | yes | May 04 10:29 |
| MinceR | starting full of FUD and then getting to inconclusive results | May 04 10:30 |
| pawel_123 | they just measured graphic drivers performance | May 04 10:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Laugh at them. | May 04 10:30 |
| cubezzz | I should mention AROS on it's own didn't crash | May 04 10:30 |
| pawel_123 | but those drivers are different | May 04 10:30 |
| MinceR | i think i'll remove them from my feed list | May 04 10:30 |
| MinceR | i'm going to switch news sources anyway | May 04 10:30 |
| oiaohm | Don't they get it head to head benchmarking is really the start of the Linux move on desktop. | May 04 10:30 |
| MinceR | since /. is a m$/crApple fanboy base now and index.hu is openly advertising m$ | May 04 10:30 |
| oiaohm | Up until now benchmarks directly comparing correctly has not been done. | May 04 10:30 |
| oiaohm | And will force Linux quality to match or better windows. | May 04 10:30 |
| pawel_123 | MinceR: I did the same, I stoped at Phoronix long time ago, but it's time to switch probably | May 04 10:31 |
| schestowitz | pawel_123: why not just ignore him? | May 04 10:31 |
| MinceR | (index.hu is advertising IE8 on every page they have) | May 04 10:31 |
| schestowitz | There are always people like that, nothing particularly new | May 04 10:31 |
| pawel_123 | schestowitz: this is what I'm thinking about ;) | May 04 10:31 |
| schestowitz | I didn't notice it | May 04 10:31 |
| MinceR | apparently what i predicted about phoronix is happening now | May 04 10:31 |
| schestowitz | and I read Linux news VERY exhaustively | May 04 10:31 |
| oiaohm | phoronix has been useful to main kernel development since they started benchmarking | May 04 10:31 |
| MinceR | (perhaps it's too soon to say, though) | May 04 10:31 |
| oiaohm | Ie lot of regressions have been detected before they are too code deep. | May 04 10:32 |
| cubezzz | Linux really is the best, most portable OS | May 04 10:32 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: except some fud spreaded | May 04 10:32 |
| MinceR | is reddit a good source of tech news and international news? | May 04 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Price pawel_123 | May 04 10:32 |
| cubezzz | umm | May 04 10:32 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: ping | May 04 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Everything has its price. pawel_123 | May 04 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Doing benchmarks always risk it used against you. | May 04 10:32 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: there were intendet changes in kernel, but Phoronix claims those were regressions ;) | May 04 10:32 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: have you got IRC logs for the 29th and 30th that you can e-majl me? | May 04 10:32 |
| schestowitz | For this channel I mean | May 04 10:32 |
| cubezzz | probably do | May 04 10:32 |
| schestowitz | Cool! | May 04 10:32 |
| cubezzz | let me check though | May 04 10:33 |
| oiaohm | pawel_123: Some were required fixes with high costs. Yes they were bugs at those regression points that did get fixed in time. Ie locking. | May 04 10:33 |
| cubezzz | Ender2070, all the amiga vids on youtube have guys with British accents too :) | May 04 10:33 |
| cubezzz | North America is like dozerland | May 04 10:33 |
| schestowitz | AUstralia and UK too | May 04 10:34 |
| cubezzz | 29 megs, woof :) | May 04 10:34 |
| schestowitz | If it speaks English, then it speaks with Ballmer in a native lang | May 04 10:34 |
| cubezzz | yes, that is true | May 04 10:34 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: there are always some bugs :), but imagine, Phoronix tested many kernels some time ago, but there were different mount options used | May 04 10:34 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: can you crop 29/4 - 30/4 out and mail it to r at schestowitz com please? | May 04 10:35 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: cause defaults mount options changed :) | May 04 10:35 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, OK | May 04 10:35 |
| schestowitz | I'd be grateful, we keep these logs for people who read them without joining IRC (there are quite a lot) | May 04 10:35 |
| cubezzz | my log goes back to Jan 30th | May 04 10:35 |
| cubezzz | 2010 | May 04 10:35 |
| schestowitz | In 2009 we one made a log of 1.5 MB in one day | May 04 10:36 |
| schestowitz | *once | May 04 10:36 |
| cubezzz | ok, looks like I do have apr 29 | May 04 10:36 |
| schestowitz | and 30th... I was offline installing Linux, so I missed half a day | May 04 10:37 |
| cubezzz | umm you only want 29th and 30th right? | May 04 10:37 |
| schestowitz | Yes, please :-) | May 04 10:37 |
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| cubezzz | d1G or something | May 04 10:37 |
| cubezzz | trying to remember my vim commands | May 04 10:37 |
| oiaohm | And those mount options changes had far higher price then they should have as well pawel_123 | May 04 10:37 |
| cubezzz | I backed it up first :) | May 04 10:38 |
| oiaohm | Over time the price of those mount options has reduced in line with Block device management improvements pawel_123 | May 04 10:38 |
| cubezzz | wow, we talk a lot | May 04 10:39 |
| cubezzz | and there's a lot of me in there :) | May 04 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Over 100MB in my logs :-) | May 04 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Also be aware that the developer of that filesystem changed the pattern of mount options to hide the fact of the regression as well before he was forced to change to back for stablity. pawel_123 | May 04 10:39 |
| cubezzz | ok, what's the email address? | May 04 10:40 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: it's something messed up :) devs chose safer mount options for default thus benchmark results were lower | May 04 10:40 |
| schestowitz | r at schestowitz com | May 04 10:40 |
| schestowitz | thanks! | May 04 10:40 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: if you test kernels they should use exactly the same options | May 04 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Developer first chose unsafe ones. Due to the speed effects. | May 04 10:41 |
| oiaohm | So hiding regression pawel_123 | May 04 10:41 |
| oiaohm | It aways comes back and bites at some point. | May 04 10:41 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: how safer otpions which lowered benchmar results hid regressions? | May 04 10:41 |
| cubezzz | sending.... | May 04 10:41 |
| oiaohm | No pawel_123 the unsafe options had never been there in ext2 and I think ext3 by default. Developer due to speed hit turned them off on ext4 so giving speed gain | May 04 10:42 |
| oiaohm | So making ext4 unsafe. pawel_123 | May 04 10:43 |
| cubezzz | two days was 200K :) | May 04 10:43 |
| oiaohm | At some point that has to be corrected. pawel_123 | May 04 10:43 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: ok :) | May 04 10:43 |
| cubezzz | so we blabber about 100K per day | May 04 10:43 |
| oiaohm | There was a regression in those options. pawel_123 | May 04 10:43 |
| oiaohm | The developer hid. The issue. So when phoronix said it was a regression it was. Worst kind developer hidden regression. | May 04 10:44 |
| cubezzz | vim is awesome but I can't remember all the commands | May 04 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Benchmarking of kernel with default options should always basically stay thing same or get faster unless something was hidden or done wrong. pawel_123 | May 04 10:45 |
| MinceR | you don't have to remember all the commands | May 04 10:45 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: you're missing the point. Phoronix benchmarked kernel with different options used, so this is not meaningfull. I bet they didn't even know defaults changed | May 04 10:45 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: not true | May 04 10:45 |
| oiaohm | They did pawel_123. | May 04 10:45 |
| oiaohm | What reason would you have for a speed hit other than fixing a error. pawel_123 | May 04 10:46 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: Ext4 is safer then ntfs, but if you want it to be faster you've got to use different mount options | May 04 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Now yes pawel_123 | May 04 10:46 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: to make it better for specified market | May 04 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Early Ext4 with wrong options was faster and less safe than ntfs | May 04 10:47 |
| cubezzz | btw does anyone know the name of the mouse driver in 2.4? | May 04 10:47 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: where data must be flushed imediatly to disk, for desktop you rather do not need this | May 04 10:47 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: possibly | May 04 10:47 |
| oiaohm | But unsafe path should not be default ever. | May 04 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Person should have to change for unsafe. | May 04 10:47 |
| cubezzz | ok, I'll just read the docs :) | May 04 10:48 |
| oiaohm | Note the Ext4 current options do not force imediat flush to disk. But they do reduce file nuking. Ie if a file was just part written turning it into a zero size file. pawel_123 | May 04 10:49 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: thanks! | May 04 10:49 |
| cubezzz | np | May 04 10:49 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: "But unsafe path should not be default ever." that's for sure :) | May 04 10:50 |
| oiaohm | File nuking provides means of skipping over journalling and other tracking of what you are doing in the filesystem. Ie faster. pawel_123 | May 04 10:50 |
| oiaohm | So ext4 was benchmarking way faster than it ever should have. | May 04 10:50 |
| cubezzz | I think I'll stick with ext2 and ext3 :) | May 04 10:50 |
| cubezzz | tried and true | May 04 10:51 |
| oiaohm | On defaults. And of course when the problems came home to roust the defaults had to be changed back to like ext3 | May 04 10:51 |
| oiaohm | And then the fact that journalling on ext4 was running like a snail came to light. pawel_123 | May 04 10:51 |
| oiaohm | Ie slower than ext3 on the same size filesystem. | May 04 10:52 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: why it's that? | May 04 10:52 |
| oiaohm | The code had not be fully redone to cope with ext4 supporting larger filesystems. | May 04 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Instead just hacked up so it would work. pawel_123 | May 04 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Ie performance work was badly lacking. | May 04 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Yes the developer had hid where he had not been working and that it was in a bad state by changing defaults. | May 04 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Lot of Linux developers were up in arms at the change in defaults at the time as well. | May 04 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Ie change to the unsafe. | May 04 10:54 |
| oiaohm | So the case you have for fud from phoronix over filesystems is badly wrong pawel_123 | May 04 10:55 |
| oiaohm | Ok some wine developers would say the phoronix over sells open source video card drivers. | May 04 10:55 |
| oiaohm | Ok most of the wine developers says phoronix over sells open source video card drivers. | May 04 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Note the ext4 defaults change to unstable only go threw due to ext 4 being classed as unstable when they were changed. Ie the regression was not changing them back before production status. | May 04 10:58 |
| oiaohm | And then finding out that there were more regressions. | May 04 10:59 |
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| MinceR | r4wr | May 04 11:10 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: ok, I've got your point :) | May 04 11:12 |
| oiaohm | Developers need watch dogs just as much as anyone else. pawel_123 benchmarking is one of those watch dogs. | May 04 11:12 |
| *MinceR hates dogs | May 04 11:13 | |
| oiaohm | I quite like them. Thinking I work with quite a few. MinceR | May 04 11:14 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: if some watch dogs are meaningull it's another case | May 04 11:15 |
| oiaohm | The simplest thing is to blame a benchmark for finding a issue. pawel_123 The question should always be why was the issue thier in the first place. | May 04 11:16 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: the question is if there is an issue | May 04 11:18 |
| pawel_123 | you've got only one mode for ntfs | May 04 11:18 |
| pawel_123 | and at least three for ext4 | May 04 11:18 |
| pawel_123 | then how would you know which is a correct one for desktop? | May 04 11:19 |
| pawel_123 | which is an equivalent of ntfs mode etc? | May 04 11:19 |
| oiaohm | ntfs has 12 modes infact. pawel_123 | May 04 11:19 |
| oiaohm | Only 1 most people know. | May 04 11:19 |
| oiaohm | journalling on is ntfs. | May 04 11:20 |
| oiaohm | default. | May 04 11:20 |
| oiaohm | It is possiable to run ntfs without journalling and without caching and with out permissions. | May 04 11:20 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: only this one which is known should be taken into account in this case | May 04 11:20 |
| oiaohm | Under windows what does run a lot faster but god darn unsafe. | May 04 11:20 |
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| oiaohm | Ie the one you know is the maker default. pawel_123 | May 04 11:21 |
| oiaohm | So the default of the Linux kernel should match up. Ie safe in most cases. | May 04 11:22 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: yep | May 04 11:22 |
| oiaohm | Main reason to turn permissions and cache and journalling is running windows doing real time work. | May 04 11:22 |
| oiaohm | Catch was ext4 was not safe in most cases before the correction to defaults that caused a speed cost. pawel_123 | May 04 11:23 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: then maybe that's why there were no so safe options as defaults for ext4 before? | May 04 11:23 |
| oiaohm | Developer pushed it threw claiming his work would remove the need for the safe options. pawel_123 | May 04 11:24 |
| oiaohm | Ie was not the case. | May 04 11:24 |
| oiaohm | So the developer did not work on fixing up the long term known safe methods. So leading to the massive speed hit. | May 04 11:24 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: no safe ext 4 options maybe matched default ntfs options | May 04 11:24 |
| oiaohm | There are. pawel_123 | May 04 11:24 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: so those options are enough for desktops | May 04 11:25 |
| oiaohm | ext4 with journalling enabled does line up quite well to ntfs in stablity. | May 04 11:25 |
| oiaohm | But of course you pay speed for it. | May 04 11:25 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: and phoronix benchamarking unsafe options against safe ones wasn't fair claiming there's some regression | May 04 11:25 |
| pawel_123 | it's an expected behaviour | May 04 11:26 |
| oiaohm | Catch is that the defaults were wrong. And a person may have been depending on that performance it was a regression. | May 04 11:26 |
| oiaohm | Wine makes functions work that never did before applications die those applications are classed as regressions in support. | May 04 11:28 |
| oiaohm | Yes making functions work can make applications use other functions that don't work that when the other functions did not work they would never have touched. | May 04 11:28 |
| oiaohm | Yes the evil side of regressions. | May 04 11:28 |
| oiaohm | Just because its expected behaviour does not mean its not a regression. | May 04 11:29 |
| oiaohm | If I could claim that I could delete about 80 percent of wine regression reports. pawel_123 | May 04 11:29 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: why defaults were wrong while probably exactly the same defaults are still in ntfs? | May 04 11:30 |
| oiaohm | No ext4 defaults that were wrong were way worse than ntfs defaults. | May 04 11:30 |
| pawel_123 | oiaohm: then it's a different thing | May 04 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Ie no journal no safe guards. Basically pray that power does not drop out. | May 04 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Or kernel lock up for some reason. | May 04 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Ext4 was running down right dangerous until the defualts were corrected. pawel_123 | May 04 11:31 |
| pawel_123 | ok | May 04 11:32 |
| oiaohm | Basically is a screw up of screwup. | May 04 11:32 |
| oiaohm | Never should happen. Nicest thing phoronix could say was that it was a regression and leave it at that. | May 04 11:33 |
| oiaohm | To say the truth the developer has gone past safe limits and provided way more performance than what ever should have been there. | May 04 11:33 |
| schestowitz | [11:13] * MinceR hates dogs | May 04 11:33 |
| schestowitz | Would you at last keep them in a zoo? | May 04 11:33 |
| oiaohm | So leading to the current performance drop. would ahve been nasty. pawel_123 | May 04 11:34 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i wish people did | May 04 11:34 |
| schestowitz | They are our domesticated mammals | May 04 11:34 |
| MinceR | or in well-closed kennels on their own private property | May 04 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Dogs are probably more disciplined and domesticated then children | May 04 11:34 |
| schestowitz | You see, many people make children for 'God'; people, on the other hand, breed to sell | May 04 11:35 |
| MinceR | i'm not exactly fond of children either, but at least some of those grow up | May 04 11:35 |
| MinceR | eventually | May 04 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the Dog. I have no trouble with working dogs. I know a guy who as a small dog that makes a good roof cable puller. | May 04 11:35 |
| schestowitz | *breed cats/dogs I mean | May 04 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Yes well trained woff | May 04 11:35 |
| oiaohm | woof | May 04 11:35 |
| schestowitz | There are fighting/racing dogs | May 04 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Also have a painter with a dog that will get his brushes and the like. | May 04 11:36 |
| schestowitz | These are useless | May 04 11:36 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: there's no reason to let them out where they can endanger others. | May 04 11:36 |
| schestowitz | It's like an udderless cow | May 04 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Working dogs don't roam all over the place. | May 04 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Dingo! | May 04 11:36 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: you still have Dingo(!!)? | May 04 11:37 |
| schestowitz | And boxing roos? | May 04 11:37 |
| oiaohm | I had a half Dingo kelpy | May 04 11:37 |
| schestowitz | "Man! I just left the house and got knocking by this roo with no gloves!" | May 04 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Yet annoying we are not allowed to keep full blood dingos | May 04 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Its understandable thinking you have to take the pup before its eyes open. | May 04 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Other wise it will never obey you. | May 04 11:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghCTZF61ey0 | May 04 11:38 |
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| oiaohm | Dingo's are some of the most loyol dogs you can have. | May 04 11:38 |
| oiaohm | So what do you think of guide dogs and the like MinceR | May 04 11:40 |
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| oiaohm | Ie working dogs. MinceR | May 04 11:40 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: playing with fire. | May 04 11:42 |
| MinceR | only others get burnt too | May 04 11:42 |
| MinceR | bbl | May 04 11:43 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This picture of Theodore Roosevelt is not photoshopped. http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/2934f1cc36185de2_large | May 04 13:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @anand_bala: #UID will also get the Miss Universe title aftr it solves the problems of world poverty, wars, and hunger @litemeter @anivar | May 04 14:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Will almost all papers (old-style news) be gone in 2 years? http://ur1.ca/ysz5 | May 04 14:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] A two-party system plays right into the hands of fanatics like #Harper. Strong independents are his Kryptonite.... http://ff.im/jNP6D | May 04 14:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Just posted a disapointing comment to this review of gNewSense on OpenBytes: http://tinyurl.com/2vluo7t | May 04 15:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] With all the fun at #oggcamp we didn't notice that @uupc has hit 1 Million downloads in 26 episodes! Thanks for listening. | May 04 15:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Hartmut Pilch estimates that RedHat has spent nearly 1 million USD to get rid of a bogus patent lawsuit, unaffordable: http://ur1.ca/yt9c | May 04 15:36 | |
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| lyle | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/canonical-licenses-h264.html | May 04 15:43 |
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| lyle | !?!?!?!? | May 04 15:43 |
| lyle | crap, I got 3 minutes to get to class | May 04 15:44 |
| lyle | bbl | May 04 15:44 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @DaemonFC Thanks for proving my point Ryan. You stupid atheists have no morals, no ethics, and no humanity. Simply, pathetic creatures. :) | May 04 15:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @DaemonFC Cussing and cursing only indicate how much of a big fat loser and pathetic ignorant you are. :-) | May 04 16:13 | |
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| amarsh04 | schestowitz, I can check my log... give me UTC time ranges and I can send it to you if you give me an email address | May 04 16:14 |
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| Ender2070 | fucking canonical | May 04 16:27 |
| MinceR | what did they do this time? | May 04 16:28 |
| Ender2070 | look above | May 04 16:28 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/05/canonical-licenses-h264.html | May 04 16:28 |
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| MinceR | well, i guess novell #2 has arrived. | May 04 16:29 |
| MinceR | guess who's one of the licensors in the h.264 patent pool | May 04 16:30 |
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| Ender2070 | novell? | May 04 16:32 |
| MinceR | it seems to me that canonical is the new novell | May 04 16:32 |
| MinceR | oh, the answer to that question was m$ | May 04 16:32 |
| MinceR | but crApple is in the cartel too | May 04 16:32 |
| Ender2070 | oh i already knew they were | May 04 16:32 |
| MinceR | :) | May 04 16:32 |
| Ender2070 | i've been following the theora debate | May 04 16:32 |
| Ender2070 | steve jobs is big brother | May 04 16:33 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @anand_bala: !!! #UID RT @guptar: Deviation between UIDAI PR Speak and actions/intentions (scroll to the bottom) http://bit.ly/bI0qYk | May 04 17:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Ubuntu glitch. For no apparent reason all text became garbled but otherwise system functioned normally. On reboot all is now normal. | May 04 17:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Burqa, I am all for cultural sensitivity but worry that the burqa can become a physical and psychological hiding place. | May 04 17:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Connected to the internet via my #freerunner with GPRS, thank you #shrproject | May 04 17:35 | |
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| _Ender_ | remember the computer duster girl? | May 04 17:37 |
| _Ender_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7cfnglBZUk&feature=autofb | May 04 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | [16:14] <amarsh04> schestowitz, I can check my log... give me UTC time ranges and I can send it to you if you give me an email address | May 04 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, it's already done | May 04 17:56 |
| amarsh04 | I noticed that as I read further through the backlog schestowitz - #boycottnovell is the only one of your channels that I'm in | May 04 17:57 |
| _Ender_ | cout > printf | May 04 17:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Laptop dead. Woe is me. | May 04 17:58 | |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: join #techrights maybe | May 04 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Canonical has patented these patents for a while | May 04 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Not news | May 04 17:59 |
| amarsh04 | ok... | May 04 17:59 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/30915877#notice-31020161 | May 04 17:59 |
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| _Ender_ | canonical patented patents? | May 04 18:01 |
| _Ender_ | jesus i think ibm was bad | May 04 18:01 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] I bought most of the pixies albums, just :) | May 04 18:04 | |
| Omar87 | Hi all. | May 04 18:06 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, 'sup! | May 04 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: http://techrights.org/2008/06/07/ubuntu-remix-codecs/ | May 04 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | I found out in 2007 from someone who spoke to mark | May 04 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: hello, friend | May 04 18:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1603324/linux-tablet-arrives-uk | May 04 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | It looks quite decent. Windows is too chucky for those | May 04 18:27 |
| schestowitz | *chunky | May 04 18:27 |
| _Ender_ | anyone want to learn C++ ? | May 04 18:29 |
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| _Ender_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToYZe4PDAxQ | May 04 18:29 |
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| _Ender_ | theres 40+ lessons | May 04 18:30 |
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| _Ender_ | if anyone wants to learn java I have video links for Standford U's lessons | May 04 18:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Age terrorists develop homeopathic bomb http://ur1.ca/yry5 Too funny, homoeopathy is a fraud | May 04 18:33 | |
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| _Ender_ | um lol | May 04 18:37 |
| _Ender_ | you know thats a joke right | May 04 18:37 |
| _Ender_ | homoeopathy is as much a fraud as medicine, btw | May 04 18:38 |
| _Ender_ | that shouldnt be news here though ;) | May 04 18:38 |
| _Ender_ | lol | May 04 18:38 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi all, I was going post this comment then decided to post it here in irc instead: | May 04 18:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Most of us do disdain software patents. They only help the monopolies. They do not promote science or innovation. But there is a worse form of software patents, its software patents on codecs. This should never have been allowed in any reasonable world. Software patents on multimedia codecs are basically a patent on sight and sound, two inalienable senses of the human experience. So it is a tax and a form of c | May 04 18:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Beyond that the monopolies (MS and Apple) want to use software patents as a way to block free operating systems ,to control the web, and to profit by taxing those who have to use these multimedia video and sound software patents. | May 04 18:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Multimedia software patents are completely against the idea of standards, or even standards that can be freely used on the web. We must try to educate those in power to reject software patents on video and audio codecs and to get free standards on these codecs for a free web. Not a web that will be controlled and taxed further by unnecessary Microsoft and Apple lockin. | May 04 18:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | As far as IBM and Google with their support of software patents. While we would be better off without the patents, in the meantime, Google has to play the patent game in some countries, as that is the law of the land in the USA. To be able to sue those who come against you, is a weapon that we should not say to Google; "do not sue MS or Apple." In fact, I am all for Google to go after both companies, often in a | May 04 18:42 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | It is not enough to just have Theora or the new free Google codec. All of these video and audio software codecs should be free if used on the web, as the web should be free. Free standards for a free web, should be the call. | May 04 18:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/whiskey-tango-foxtrot/38637-john-mayer-believes-twitter-is-over | May 04 18:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Invaliadate the software patents on these video and audio codecs, and make them public domain. | May 04 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: yes, there are many other frauds I'm learning about these days | May 04 18:49 |
| schestowitz | The sceptics societies are keen on exposing them | May 04 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: indeed | May 04 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Did you post this as comment"? | May 04 18:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I was going to, but lost my password | May 04 18:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | have to look it up again | May 04 18:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | since its here in irc now, I will not post the comment | May 04 18:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | use it, if you like the ideas, or rewrite it to make better sense | May 04 18:52 |
| _Ender_ | schestowitz - yes, people who critically think are +1 | May 04 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Let me give you links | May 04 18:53 |
| schestowitz | http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.php I've listened to all 200+ episodes | May 04 18:53 |
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| _Ender_ | not skeptoid plz, i dont really trust that guy | May 04 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Currently going though http://theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcast.aspx?mid=2 , which is less fun | May 04 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | _Ender_: he annoys me only on a few subjects like GMO | May 04 18:54 |
| _Ender_ | is he pro-gmo? | May 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yeah, I was gonna quote you in a coming long post re mpeg cartel | May 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz | _Ender_: very | May 04 18:55 |
| _Ender_ | ugh, lol | May 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | And he attacks opponents with straw men | May 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | I sort of responded to him in the comment even though I never comment | May 04 18:55 |
| _Ender_ | yeah thats the problem with relying on any source | May 04 18:55 |
| _Ender_ | you get their bias eventually | May 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | ANd also here, by cite: http://techrights.org/2010/04/26/monsanto-boosted-by-gates/ | May 04 18:55 |
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| _Ender_ | hes probably pro-flouride too | May 04 18:56 |
| schestowitz | He claims GMO 'environmentalists' are against it cause they hate corps | May 04 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Utter nonsense | May 04 18:56 |
| schestowitz | It's not corps and crops to me | May 04 18:56 |
| schestowitz | It's patents and ownership with them, for the most part | May 04 18:57 |
| _Ender_ | gmo foods put the little guy under | May 04 18:57 |
| _Ender_ | they have to go along with it or file bankrupcy | May 04 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | Then there's BGH and other cancerous stugg, PROVABLY cancer-inducing | May 04 18:57 |
| schestowitz | I don't like it when people 'decide' for my position what it is and misepresent it | May 04 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Religions do this a lot | May 04 18:57 |
| _Ender_ | everyone has an agenda too | May 04 18:58 |
| _Ender_ | they twist facts to support them | May 04 18:58 |
| schestowitz | GMO is needed under the assumption we went to reach 20 bil people on this Earth | May 04 18:58 |
| Alessandro___ | what GNU/Linux distribution do you use? | May 04 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Or something like that | May 04 18:58 |
| _Ender_ | we're not | May 04 18:58 |
| _Ender_ | the pop is going to cap at 9 billion and stay there | May 04 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Capacity of crops, bar pesticides and draughts, would be fine if we didn't just mess about with plants to treat them like food, not plants | May 04 18:59 |
| _Ender_ | if we stopped eating so much beef, the land could be better used for vegtables | May 04 18:59 |
| _Ender_ | growing vegtables helps the environment | May 04 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Alessandro___: many people here are distro 'singers' I think :-) | May 04 19:00 |
| schestowitz | *'swingers' I meant | May 04 19:00 |
| schestowitz | hoppers being the less ambiguous term | May 04 19:00 |
| schestowitz | _Ender_: yes, xo2 | May 04 19:00 |
| schestowitz | *co2 | May 04 19:00 |
| _Ender_ | yeah | May 04 19:00 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I recently learned we might not need much emat | May 04 19:00 |
| _Ender_ | emat? | May 04 19:01 |
| schestowitz | The meat industry may have us believe otherwise | May 04 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Protein absorption has its limits | May 04 19:01 |
| _Ender_ | well the thing about meat | May 04 19:01 |
| Alessandro___ | schestoitz: I tried Kongoni, because it looks the only one decent KDE distro endorsed by the FSF, but it's too hard to set up | May 04 19:01 |
| Alessandro___ | *schestowitz: | May 04 19:01 |
| schestowitz | But still, it needs a consultation with dietitians (not "nutritionist" which is the QUACK parallel) | May 04 19:01 |
| schestowitz | "Allergy testing" | May 04 19:02 |
| _Ender_ | people need to get their nutrition and at least with meat you get the nutrients the animal ate | May 04 19:02 |
| schestowitz | So many junk paddlers out there | May 04 19:02 |
| _Ender_ | the meat industry is bad though right now | May 04 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Alessandro___: how about Fedora? | May 04 19:02 |
| _Ender_ | thanks to McDonalds | May 04 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Its kDE part is OK, it's mostly free | May 04 19:02 |
| Alessandro___ | schestowitz: yeah? | May 04 19:03 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I think that's one big reason why we should fight consumerism. | May 04 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Not FSF approved but not a Ubuntu either (many blobs) | May 04 19:03 |
| _Ender_ | McDonalds buys the most meat in the USA, so they get to say how its prepared and even if you dont eat at McDonalds, you're getting the same shit | May 04 19:03 |
| schestowitz | _Ender_: oj | May 04 19:03 |
| schestowitz | oh | May 04 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Dunning is also a junk food apologist | May 04 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Telling you how good the tomatoes and mayo and stuff are | May 04 19:03 |
| schestowitz | And how restaurants fill you up even more | May 04 19:03 |
| _Ender_ | vegans need to eat candy to replace meat | May 04 19:03 |
| _Ender_ | lol | May 04 19:03 |
| Alessandro___ | schestowitz: I was actually thinking about it, but the one with KDE 4 goes out after 2 weeks, and I'm using KUbuntu now | May 04 19:03 |
| _Ender_ | mayo is nothing but fat | May 04 19:04 |
| _Ender_ | tomatoes are ok | May 04 19:04 |
| Omar87 | Huge companies don't want people to ask and think of what they're consuming. Just consume, and worry about consequences later. | May 04 19:04 |
| _Ender_ | you're better off eating garlicy potatoes for health | May 04 19:04 |
| schestowitz | mayo on salad is funny | May 04 19:04 |
| schestowitz | When people want no fat but add the fat separately | May 04 19:04 |
| _Ender_ | my mom used to make mashed potatoes every dinner with margarine and garlic | May 04 19:05 |
| _Ender_ | i never got sick for very long | May 04 19:05 |
| schestowitz | You can wait for mayo to sort of congeal and look less white, more like spreadable fat | May 04 19:05 |
| _Ender_ | flu's would last a day or two | May 04 19:05 |
| schestowitz | I've not had flu since I was 14 or 15 | May 04 19:05 |
| schestowitz | ANd the garlic stuff is old wives' tale, IIRC | May 04 19:06 |
| _Ender_ | no its not | May 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | But there are many other urbans myths | May 04 19:06 |
| _Ender_ | garlic is very good for you | May 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | May 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure, any paper on that? | May 04 19:06 |
| _Ender_ | my gf is taking a nutrition course on her road to becoming a teacher | May 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Search the journal for a study on it | May 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: dietitian is the more proper thing | May 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | The teachings are different | May 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | One thing where I'm skeptical about sceptics is reading in the dark | May 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Is it true that other than eye sore is causes no damage? | May 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Or PC use without surrounding lights | May 04 19:07 |
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| _Ender_ | they used garlic to treat gangrene in ww2 | May 04 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Many con artists and charlatans spread so much junk that now it's hard to trust word of mouth on what's healthy and what's not | May 04 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: but what was a long time ago | May 04 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Days of mustard gas | May 04 19:09 |
| schestowitz | No DNA even... | May 04 19:09 |
| schestowitz | At the time, drug research was a lot more retarded | May 04 19:09 |
| _Ender_ | Groppo, F.; Ramacciato, J.; Motta, R.; Ferraresi, P.; Sartoratto, A. (2007) "Antimicrobial activity of garlic against oral streptococci." Int. J. Dent. Hyg., 5:109–115. | May 04 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Heck, the Swiss guy who invented/composed LSD didn't even do his studies at the time | May 04 19:10 |
| _Ender_ | its also something a doctor might tell you to consume if you have broncitis | May 04 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: I see. | May 04 19:10 |
| schestowitz | http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=18677000 | May 04 19:10 |
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| schestowitz | "It was concluded that the garlic clones have antimicrobial properties in vitro against streptococci and anticariogenic properties against oral microorganism in spite of its adverse effects." | May 04 19:10 |
| _Ender_ | a lot of old wives tales are in fact correct, just because the old wives weren't scientists doesn't mean they didn't properly observe an effect | May 04 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: as long as it's a real doctor and not some chiro/equiv :-) | May 04 19:11 |
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| _Ender_ | look up chinese herbal medicine | May 04 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: rememebr the one about drinking a lot of water | May 04 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Our school nurse told me to so this | May 04 19:11 |
| schestowitz | 6 cups per day | May 04 19:11 |
| schestowitz | It can actually do more harm than good, utter nonsense | May 04 19:12 |
| _Ender_ | oh that kind of stuff is crazy | May 04 19:12 |
| _Ender_ | everyones body needs different quantities of different things | May 04 19:12 |
| schestowitz | ANd that's a medical person who recited the nonsense | May 04 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | eight eight-ounce glasses of water | May 04 19:12 |
| _Ender_ | yeah thats bs | May 04 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | that won't do any harm to you | May 04 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: just small quantities... like 10^-30 | May 04 19:12 |
| schestowitz | No molecules left | May 04 19:12 |
| _Ender_ | you just need to drink water until your pee isn't yellow | May 04 19:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | There are many natural forms of healing and help. Look at the affects of Boswellin for example as it relates to arthrightis | May 04 19:13 |
| _Ender_ | then you know the toxins are out of your system | May 04 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Too much water is bad, but 64 ounces in a day won't hurt you | May 04 19:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: unless you're on the radio competiting over who's keeping his bladder fullest for the longest time | May 04 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | I drink two 48 ounce fountain pops each day sometimes | May 04 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | and then some | May 04 19:13 |
| _Ender_ | schestowitz - there was a water drinking contest for a Nintendo Wii, and the winner died | May 04 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I didn't hold my wee for a wii | May 04 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 04 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | I paid for it | May 04 19:14 |
| schestowitz | The show? | May 04 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Or the wee[sic]? | May 04 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | but $199, not my death | May 04 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | I think I did better than she did | May 04 19:14 |
| schestowitz | The radio man got sacked | May 04 19:15 |
| _Ender_ | her autopsy probably cost more than $199 | May 04 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, and the family sued and got a bunch of money | May 04 19:15 |
| schestowitz | _Ender_: yeah, in the US there's no national insurance | May 04 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Even death os costly | May 04 19:15 |
| schestowitz | *is | May 04 19:15 |
| _Ender_ | death is costly in socialist canada too | May 04 19:15 |
| _Ender_ | they dont pay for that stuff | May 04 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's not really that costly | May 04 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | they can't force anyone to pay to bury you | May 04 19:16 |
| _Ender_ | i want to be cremated and baked into a yummy cake for my enemies | May 04 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | but if nobody pays, you get cremated or buried in a cheap grave | May 04 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care what they do | May 04 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | I've already instructed my family to do whatever costs the least money | May 04 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'll be dead, I won't care | May 04 19:17 |
| _Ender_ | im not paying thousands of dollars for a hole in the ground | May 04 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | these funeral homes and cemetaries try to guilt trip the family into buying exorbitant coffins and graves and funerals | May 04 19:18 |
| _Ender_ | yeah | May 04 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | they're the wraiths | May 04 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 04 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | "Wouldn't he/she have WANTED the oak cofin with gold trim and plush velvet interior? | May 04 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care, throw me in a pine box and nail it shut | May 04 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | I'm dead | May 04 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 04 19:19 |
| _Ender_ | yeah like i give a shit where my body ends up | May 04 19:19 |
| _Ender_ | i just want to make sure none of my organs are donated to anyone | May 04 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | _Ender_, There's also some place that can cremate you and make a diamond out of the residual carbon | May 04 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 04 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | wear your dead loved ones as a piece of jewelry | May 04 19:20 |
| _Ender_ | im not donating a liver so some rich fuck can live even longer and steal even more money | May 04 19:20 |
| _Ender_ | LOL | May 04 19:20 |
| _Ender_ | i read an article about a cremation process that allows you to use the output in your garden | May 04 19:21 |
| _Ender_ | "just sprinkle grandma on those tomatoes and they should grow very ripe" | May 04 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | soylant tomato | May 04 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 04 19:21 |
| _Ender_ | lol | May 04 19:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/community/news/inf/blog/microsoft-clarifies-position-on-flash/?cs=40985 | May 04 19:22 |
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| _Ender_ | let me guess, ms is okay with flash | May 04 19:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Microsoft has clarified its position on Flash, after a blog post from Dean Hachamovitch, Microsoft's general manager of Internet Explorer, sparked speculation that Internet Explorer 9 will not support Flash. Hachamovitch issued a follow-up post in which he clarifies that IE9 will support a range of plug-ins, including Flash. " | May 04 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | _Ender_, Before you know it, you're possessed by your grandmothers soul after eating a salad | May 04 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | and have an uncontrollable urge to crochet | May 04 19:22 |
| schestowitz | The Robotron 2084 AstroTurfer shows up here http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=isn_t_it_strange_that_microsoft_only_sin&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | May 04 19:23 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Look for MS to make Flash harder in IE9, but not impossible. As it trys to make Silverlight replace Adobe Flash. | May 04 19:23 |
| *WireWulf is now known as WireWulf-away | May 04 19:23 | |
| _Ender_ | ms would be dumb to make plugins hard in IE | May 04 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy, Flash will work, same as always | May 04 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | they're not stupid | May 04 19:24 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <_Ender_> i just want to make sure none of my organs are donated to anyone | May 04 19:24 |
| schestowitz | I;'m the opposite | May 04 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | Flash is valuable, Silverlight not so much | May 04 19:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Its not all about Google vs Bing, the other half of the online advertising battle is Flash vs Silverlight | May 04 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | plus they'd be sued | May 04 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Not only charlatans like Steve Jobs take other people's bodyparts | May 04 19:24 |
| _Ender_ | schestowitz - i used to be but i dont know who they will go to (Steve Jobs) | May 04 19:24 |
| _Ender_ | if i could pick the recipient, i would but thats not doable | May 04 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | _Ender_, same | May 04 19:25 |
| _Ender_ | i wont know in advance who will need what | May 04 19:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> I said make it harder to use. Or slightly break it. The old ms tricks like with wordperferect | May 04 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | _Ender_, They don't like to issue driver's licenses like mine, but they have to | May 04 19:25 |
| schestowitz | _Ender_: so basically, you view it like sperm banks | May 04 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | not an organ donor and no social security number on it | May 04 19:25 |
| _Ender_ | schestowitz - i dont think sperm banks let you choose either | May 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/May-03.html | May 04 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | running Mono directly into the browse.. | May 04 19:26 |
| _Ender_ | if they did i'd donate my sperm to a high iq female just out of principal | May 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | _Ender_: they do the opposite wau | May 04 19:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | does being an organ donor mean they pull the plug faster on you, so some rich person, like Steve Jobs can buy your organ faster? | May 04 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | _Ender_, Federal law says you have to have your social security number on your license to make it REAL ID compliant, but Indiana state law says you don't have to put your social security number on it | May 04 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | odd huh? | May 04 19:27 |
| schestowitz | The couple/lady checks profile of donator | May 04 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | so you can still force your driver'slicense out of compliance | May 04 19:27 |
| _Ender_ | they dont put organ bullshit on our drivers license | May 04 19:27 |
| *schestowitz ponders if Steve points at dead body like he does at a lobster at a restaurant | May 04 19:27 | |
| _Ender_ | but they do ask when u fill out the app i think | May 04 19:27 |
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| _Ender_ | [14:11] <Chips_B_Malroy> does being an organ donor mean they pull the plug faster on you, so some rich person, like Steve Jobs can buy your organ faster? | May 04 19:27 |
| _Ender_ | +1 | May 04 19:27 |
| _Ender_ | thats another reason | May 04 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | _Ender_, There's a red heart icon on your license if you're a donor | May 04 19:28 |
| _Ender_ | they might not save your life if they really need your liver | May 04 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | like those health powerups in Zelda | May 04 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 04 19:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] How I was able to convince to move NCERT for Open Video Format #ogg #open-standard-advocacy http://post.ly/eofk | May 04 19:28 | |
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| schestowitz | _Ender_: "look at dat liva'!" | May 04 19:28 |
| schestowitz | "should we let him die?" | May 04 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Man #2: "sure, I get kickbacks" | May 04 19:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you can't sell an organ, but you can buy the services to put it in for big bucks. Who is making all the money? The doctors, the hospitals, the organ middlemen? | May 04 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://josh-wyxl.itmblog.com/files/2009/05/drivlic_in.jpg | May 04 19:29 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | seems like only the donors are getting screwed here | May 04 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | old license style | May 04 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | mine doesn't have the SSN or the red heart under DONOR | May 04 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Asay exposed his family to the public.. http://asay.blogspot.com/2010/04/and-success.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Acos+%28AC%2FOS%29 http://asay.blogspot.com/2010/04/failure.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Acos+%28AC%2FOS%29 | May 04 19:30 |
| _Ender_ | just like the blood donation ads here | May 04 19:30 |
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| _Ender_ | lol | May 04 19:30 |
| _Ender_ | "Blood: It's in you to give" | May 04 19:30 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how the kids will feel about it when they grow up | May 04 19:31 |
| _Ender_ | fuck you, its in me to LIVE! | May 04 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://media.govtech.net/Digital_Publications_Art/New_Indiana_DL.jpg | May 04 19:31 |
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| DaemonFC | there's the new licenses | May 04 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have to renew mine until April 2012 though | May 04 19:31 |
| schestowitz | [19:31] <_Ender_> fuck you, its in me to LIVE! | May 04 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | so I still have the pre-2007 one | May 04 19:31 |
| schestowitz | But you can produce more | May 04 19:31 |
| schestowitz | It's mostly water | May 04 19:31 |
| _Ender_ | lol | May 04 19:31 |
| _Ender_ | im not giving my blood unless they want to pay me for it | May 04 19:31 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's strong red | May 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Makes it seem like the 4 "S"s in flight/borading tickets of passengers who are on 'the' list | May 04 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Then there's plasma donation. You can donate if you're an alcoholic, a drug user, a pimp, a prostitute, a wastoid, or a college student | May 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | CODE red! | May 04 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | but if you have a bad head cold that triggers an immune response, you're banned for life | May 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Or code RED! as Microsoft/Dell called it | May 04 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | could be HIV | May 04 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | fuckers | May 04 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Whatever happened to that Vista scam | May 04 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Using agony in African to sell Windows and more Dell junk | May 04 19:33 |
| _Ender_ | a school mate of mine had a mom who got HIV from a blood transfusion | May 04 19:33 |
| _Ender_ | sad story | May 04 19:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they test them | May 04 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They have lots of potentil donors, so they just use the "quick" cheap HIV test, which can be set off by over 70 things that are not HIV | May 04 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | so I was permanently banned for having a head cold that day "just to be sure" | May 04 19:34 |
| schestowitz | So make yo' own blood | May 04 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Good luck | May 04 19:34 |
| _Ender_ | nah daemonfc | May 04 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Venezuela leader Hugo Chavez takes to Twitter http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8648535.stm | May 04 19:35 |
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| _Ender_ | they found out you were gay | May 04 19:35 |
| schestowitz | The Beeb is pimping XP in there | May 04 19:35 |
| _Ender_ | they didnt want any 'gay' blood | May 04 19:35 |
| schestowitz | 'blood' | May 04 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | _Ender_, That's a posibility too | May 04 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Some people think it's the blood | May 04 19:35 |
| _Ender_ | lol u know im kidding but people ARE like that | May 04 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Remember so-called Aryan blood | May 04 19:36 |
| schestowitz | They didn't know DNA | May 04 19:36 |
| _Ender_ | umm | May 04 19:36 |
| _Ender_ | DNA makes everyone different | May 04 19:36 |
| schestowitz | _Ender_: yes, like the average Joe and "don't get gay people near my children, they might get 'infected'" | May 04 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Some people think like animals | May 04 19:37 |
| schestowitz | They think hat DNA works like urination in a public place of something | May 04 19:37 |
| schestowitz | ANd that Obama must be working for the 'terrorist' cause of his middle name | May 04 19:37 |
| schestowitz | ANd that he has no birth certificate | May 04 19:37 |
| schestowitz | And it doesn't matter if you show it to them | May 04 19:37 |
| _Ender_ | hawaii just passed a law allowing them to deny requests for obama's birth certificate | May 04 19:38 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | May 04 19:38 |
| schestowitz | WHat's it called? | May 04 19:38 |
| _Ender_ | they're tired of providing it to people | May 04 19:38 |
| schestowitz | THose who ask for it will never be happy | May 04 19:38 |
| schestowitz | THey have to be demented not to accept them in the first place | May 04 19:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they should just raise the fee to provide the certificate | May 04 19:38 |
| _Ender_ | oh its a consideration | May 04 19:38 |
| _Ender_ | http://www.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2010/04/anti-obama-birthes-face-roadblock-in-hawaii/1 | May 04 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Probably the same people who believe that 500 ninjas planed TNT in WTC on Sept. 20th | May 04 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | *10th | May 04 19:39 |
| tessier_ | That is old news. | May 04 19:39 |
| tessier_ | I heard they had already passed that law. | May 04 19:39 |
| schestowitz | On USENET I spoke to one guy who insisted that Obama was not born in the US | May 04 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | ""You don't necessarily need a billion-dollar guided missile destroyer to chase down and deal with a bunch of teenage pirates wielding AK-47s," he said." | May 04 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | lol | May 04 19:39 |
| schestowitz | They are surrounded by the echo chamber of people who watch Beck and stuff, I reckon | May 04 19:39 |
| _Ender_ | schestowitz - the problem is that obama's aunt went around telling people he was lying and people bought it | May 04 19:40 |
| _Ender_ | schestowitz - the people who bought it never bothered to keep themselves up to date | May 04 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe they are not sceptics | May 04 19:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @Omar_S_Hafez Calling us atheists stupid does not progress your point of view, please put your case in a positive way. | May 04 19:40 | |
| schestowitz | People say a lot of things | May 04 19:40 |
| _Ender_ | well yeah | May 04 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Many are false | May 04 19:40 |
| _Ender_ | they kept repeating the false facts not checking their validity over time | May 04 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Testable ideas are not the same as some word from someone who claims authority | May 04 19:41 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0429/rush-limbaugh-hints-oil-rig-explosion-environmental-terrorism/ | May 04 19:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Rush Limbaugh blames environmentalist wackos for massive oil spill | Raw Story .::. Size~: 53.21 KB | May 04 19:41 |
| schestowitz | :-D | May 04 19:41 |
| schestowitz | It's those so-called environmentalist who urge for nuclear energy | May 04 19:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Rush promotes the rich | May 04 19:42 |
| schestowitz | It's the Bush Ilk that lobbies for Big Oil | May 04 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Bush Limbaugh | May 04 19:42 |
| tessier_ | Check out the comments. Nutjobs. | May 04 19:42 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10091177.stm | May 04 19:42 |
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| _Ender_ | yeah rush is an idiot | May 04 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Linux userbase=Linux userbase+500,000; | May 04 19:43 |
| _Ender_ | fedora has 20+ million | May 04 19:43 |
| *tessier_ is an environmentalist who supports nuclear energy | May 04 19:43 | |
| schestowitz | "Love Rush. He's obviously a double agent; his job is to keep all those sickos in a tizzy so they can't actually do anything constructive, or, as the case may be, destructive. Yep, CIA all the way this guy is. But hey, who really cares?" | May 04 19:43 |
| _Ender_ | i support nuclear energy too but i dont consider myself an environmentalist | May 04 19:44 |
| schestowitz | "I agree with Rush. In fact, I believe it was the same wackos that caused Limbaugh's anal cyst that kept him out of the military where he could have fought bravely for his country. sniff LEAVE RUSH ALONE!!" | May 04 19:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Microwaved iPad for sale! http://www.metro.co.uk/tech/824532-microwaved-ipad-for-sale-on-ebay | May 04 19:44 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microwaved iPad for sale on eBay | Metro.co.uk .::. Size~: 47.92 KB | May 04 19:44 |
| _Ender_ | if we keep burning coal and oil, the UN has a reason to clamp down on us | May 04 19:44 |
| schestowitz | France builds some nucelar plants | May 04 19:44 |
| schestowitz | 3rd and 4th generations are totally safe and the energy and waste recyclable | May 04 19:45 |
| schestowitz | We've already generated most of the waste that will ever need to be geenrated | May 04 19:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz Homeopathic bomb? Is that a 1000 kilo bomb with 1 gram of explosive material? | May 04 19:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @satipera Excuse me sir., but calling us Muslims "terrorists, extremists" or cussing and cursing pointlessly doesn't progress yours either. | May 04 19:45 | |
| schestowitz | Chernobyl was a massive human error at so many level and an ancient class of facility | May 04 19:45 |
| tessier_ | _Ender_: I am more concerned about China and others burning coal. | May 04 19:46 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: Indeed. It was a very good demonstration of how stupid the Soviets were. They should not have been doing any of the things they were doing. | May 04 19:46 |
| _Ender_ | tessier_ make _them_ pay for carbon credits, not us then | May 04 19:46 |
| tessier_ | _Ender_: How do you make a foreign super-power pay for anything they don't want to? | May 04 19:47 |
| tessier_ | We can't even make them treat their own people decently. | May 04 19:47 |
| _Ender_ | tarrifs | May 04 19:47 |
| _Ender_ | eliminate free trade | May 04 19:47 |
| _Ender_ | tax everything coming out of china | May 04 19:47 |
| tessier_ | How much is that going to hurt us? | May 04 19:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera No, dilution of 10^{-30} ;-) | May 04 19:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @omar_s_hafez I think @satipera didn't make such a claim | May 04 19:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @satipera If an atheist would like to start a positive, polite and informative debate with me, he'll have my full attention and respect. | May 04 19:47 | |
| tessier_ | And traditionally protectionism hasn't been a good plan. | May 04 19:47 |
| _Ender_ | im not talking about protectionism | May 04 19:48 |
| _Ender_ | im talking about punishing china for being cheap | May 04 19:48 |
| tessier_ | What is the difference? | May 04 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Punish them? | May 04 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Are they not punished enough already (people, not regime)? | May 04 19:48 |
| _Ender_ | they burn coal and oil because its cheaper | May 04 19:48 |
| schestowitz | They are our slaves... for the West I eman | May 04 19:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz along the same lines :) | May 04 19:48 | |
| schestowitz | *mean | May 04 19:48 |
| _Ender_ | they've had plenty of time to revolt against their government | May 04 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | May 04 19:49 |
| _Ender_ | the UN is proping the communists up | May 04 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Good luck with that | May 04 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Now they also get isolated and brainwashed | May 04 19:49 |
| schestowitz | So they can't organise | May 04 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft helps their regime | May 04 19:49 |
| schestowitz | But you know this..... | May 04 19:49 |
| _Ender_ | the same techniques are used everywhere with sucsess | May 04 19:49 |
| schestowitz | _Ender_: it also props the super-rich up | May 04 19:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @schestowitz I know he didn't. I was just responding to his message. | May 04 19:49 | |
| _Ender_ | social approval/disapproval creation | May 04 19:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The Soviets revolted (mostly peacefully) because conditions became so bad. In China conditions are becoming better for most people. | May 04 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | my blu ray player is shipped, will arrive tomorrow | May 04 19:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The Soviets=economic colaspe | May 04 19:50 |
| schestowitz | COmparably | May 04 19:50 |
| schestowitz | China doesn't live in debt | May 04 19:51 |
| tessier_ | The Chinese had nowhere to go but up. | May 04 19:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @Omar_S_Hafez I do not call Muslims terrorists or extremists. It is better to separate the light from the heat. | May 04 19:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @omar_s_hafez many scientists that brought you medicine didn't do it for a deity | May 04 19:51 | |
| tessier_ | So they are happy. | May 04 19:51 |
| _Ender_ | [14:35] <schestowitz> China doesn't live in debt | May 04 19:51 |
| _Ender_ | exactly | May 04 19:51 |
| _Ender_ | they can afford to stop polluting | May 04 19:51 |
| tessier_ | They have the opposite problem. | May 04 19:51 |
| tessier_ | They have been used to scarcity and turmoil for so long they save everything. | May 04 19:51 |
| tessier_ | That is bad for the economy also. | May 04 19:51 |
| _Ender_ | instead the world bank wants us to be buying them carbon credits to continue as they are | May 04 19:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Coal is going be burned. | May 04 19:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but lets hope not the the amount of the 19th century | May 04 19:52 |
| _Ender_ | buying carbon credits doesn't reduce pollution | May 04 19:52 |
| schestowitz | It creates an incentive | May 04 19:52 |
| _Ender_ | not even | May 04 19:52 |
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| _Ender_ | it creates profit for the world bank who dishes them out | May 04 19:52 |
| _Ender_ | its like how banks make money off of credit cards | May 04 19:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | How about the 30,000 nuclear tests the US did, and the 20,000 the Soviets did? Now there is some massive pollution, and maybe a cause for the general increase in cancer rates. | May 04 19:53 |
| _Ender_ | you wonder why so many elite groups fund environmentalists? you assume they are being good people? | May 04 19:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @schestowitz My point was, before blaming me for using the word "stupid", please blame @DaemonFC for his shameless childish attitude. | May 04 19:54 | |
| _Ender_ | nobody funds anyone if they dont expect to get something out of it | May 04 19:54 |
| tessier_ | Chips_B_Malroy: Nuclear was misunderstood at the beginning. US and Russia don't do nuclear tests anymore. | May 04 19:55 |
| tessier_ | The vast majority of the nuclear tests were underground and well contained. The above ground tests were certainly bad. | May 04 19:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @schestowitz so what does that prove? | May 04 19:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Great post from @czajkowski about how to participate remotely with #Ubuntu Developer Summit next week! http://bit.ly/cDmBuJ | May 04 19:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @satipera I'm not talking about you personally. I'm talking about atheists in general. | May 04 19:56 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Tessier> thats not the point, the tests created lots of radiactive particles | May 04 19:56 |
| tessier_ | Why are certain kinds of people so afraid of the UN/World Bank/One World Government? | May 04 19:57 |
| tessier_ | Chips_B_Malroy: Er...that is the point and that is exactly what I just said. The above ground tests were very polluting. | May 04 19:57 |
| _Ender_ | its a bad idea | May 04 19:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | look at the cancer rates for ST. George Utah | May 04 19:57 |
| tessier_ | _Ender_: But it isn't happening. I'm wondering why certain kinds of personalities are obsessed with it. | May 04 19:57 |
| _Ender_ | tessier_ those certain kinds of personailities belong to people who dislike surface data and dig deeper | May 04 19:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Because the UN/One World gov is not an elected one. They have even less control over it than the corporate govs they have now | May 04 19:59 |
| _Ender_ | its part of the survival instinct being taken away from people | May 04 19:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | plus the massive corruption in the UN | May 04 19:59 |
| _Ender_ | theres what chips mentioned too | May 04 19:59 |
| _Ender_ | the UN is non-elected | May 04 19:59 |
| _Ender_ | the EU is non-elected | May 04 19:59 |
| _Ender_ | Canada is signed on in the event there is a one world government, already in the books. | May 04 20:00 |
| _Ender_ | tessier - ill find agenda 21 for you | May 04 20:01 |
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| _Ender_ | http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml | May 04 20:01 |
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| _Ender_ | most governments in the UN have agenda 21 plans | May 04 20:02 |
| _Ender_ | not all of them call it by that name | May 04 20:02 |
| _Ender_ | some call it simply LA21 | May 04 20:02 |
| _Ender_ | some refer to "sustainability" | May 04 20:02 |
| tessier_ | But of course you suspect a sinister ulterior motive. | May 04 20:03 |
| _Ender_ | read it, nothing to 'suspect' | May 04 20:03 |
| tessier_ | Why would I want to read this? What is it? | May 04 20:03 |
| _Ender_ | read the DOD's "Out to 2040" | May 04 20:03 |
| _Ender_ | i never said sinister | May 04 20:03 |
| _Ender_ | people wont think anything is sinister at all | May 04 20:04 |
| _Ender_ | people like socialist ideas cause they are great on paper, nobody thinks communism always leads to tyranny | May 04 20:04 |
| tessier_ | Everyone I know in the US knows communism leads to tyranny | May 04 20:05 |
| _Ender_ | but they will tell you communism != socialism | May 04 20:05 |
| _Ender_ | and thats wrong because they are the same | May 04 20:05 |
| tessier_ | We have been brainwashed with anti-communism/socialism rhetoric for decades. | May 04 20:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Looks at how the UN is partly controlled by Bill Gates and his foundation, the health stuff. Do we really want a non-elected, even more controlled by the rich, one world gov? | May 04 20:05 |
| tessier_ | They are different but related and both bad. | May 04 20:05 |
| _Ender_ | we have also been brainwashed with pro-socialist ideals in school and in the media (in canada at least) | May 04 20:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | A UN gov, would be even easier for the ultra rich to control | May 04 20:06 |
| tessier_ | _Ender_: The opposite in the US. We are scared to death of socialists. That's why some people are so upset with the healthcare reforms. | May 04 20:06 |
| _Ender_ | [14:50] <Chips_B_Malroy> A UN gov, would be even easier for the ultra rich to control | May 04 20:06 |
| _Ender_ | yes, and they EXPECT this | May 04 20:07 |
| _Ender_ | http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/D70F2CC7-5673-43AE-BA73-1F887801266C/0/20100202GST_4_Global_Strategic_Trends_Out_to_2040UDCDCStrat_Trends_4.pdf | May 04 20:07 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I think the defining moment for most Americans was when Krusheif pounded his boot on the un table and said "we will bury you." Its why communism is so hated here | May 04 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | heh, Frost/Nixon arrived | May 04 20:08 |
| tessier_ | Representatives to the UN are appointed by the President. | May 04 20:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sorry for the spelling | May 04 20:08 |
| tessier_ | Who is elected. | May 04 20:08 |
| *DaemonFC wonders why he rented this | May 04 20:08 | |
| _Ender_ | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/thebusinessofgiving/2010141457_on_saturday_they_tried_somethi.html | May 04 20:08 |
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| _Ender_ | in this interview | May 04 20:08 |
| _Ender_ | Bill & Melinda Gates is named | May 04 20:09 |
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| _Ender_ | the communists already demoralized the states | May 04 20:11 |
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| DaemonFC | there are no communists really if you think about it | May 04 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | isn't it their stated goal to eliminate socioeconomic class barriers | May 04 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | make everyone equal | May 04 20:16 |
| _Ender_ | thats one of the things marx talked about | May 04 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | they've failed at that remarkably, but they have set up an efficient dictatorship | May 04 20:16 |
| _Ender_ | they did that in ukraine, cost millions of lives | May 04 20:16 |
| _Ender_ | making everyone equal | May 04 20:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Wow Open Source Cyber cafe in India.. #india http://www.cyberbuzz.in | May 04 20:17 | |
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| _Ender_ | instead of helping the poor become middle class, he just killed them off, it costs the government less money | May 04 20:17 |
| MinceR | didn't the official propaganda say that this dictatorship was magically supposed to lead to anarcho-capitalism? | May 04 20:18 |
| _Ender_ | he = stalin | May 04 20:18 |
| MinceR | (which is obviously absurd) | May 04 20:18 |
| _Ender_ | anarcho-capitalism is absurd | May 04 20:18 |
| _Ender_ | capitalism requires a government for regulation | May 04 20:18 |
| _Ender_ | if you want anarchy, take anarchy | May 04 20:18 |
| MinceR | oops | May 04 20:19 |
| MinceR | i wanted to say anarcho-communism | May 04 20:19 |
| _Ender_ | in a anarcho-capitalist USA, microsoft wouldn't have had any lawsuits against it | May 04 20:19 |
| MinceR | but all these flavors of anarchism differ in what they expect people to do on their own | May 04 20:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @omar_s_hafez I was just implying, no use lambasting good people for their understanding of the universe; behaviour is separate from dogma | May 04 20:19 | |
| _Ender_ | ohhh anarcho-communism | May 04 20:19 |
| MinceR | _Ender_: in an anarcho-capitalist usa, m$ would have ended up in a civil war | May 04 20:20 |
| MinceR | if it was even allowed to exist in the first place | May 04 20:20 |
| _Ender_ | nah i think they would be worse right now | May 04 20:20 |
| _Ender_ | no regulation to keep them in line | May 04 20:20 |
| _Ender_ | no laws to have to obey other than consumer demand | May 04 20:20 |
| _Ender_ | and they can make the consumer demand stuff | May 04 20:21 |
| MinceR | no regulation to keep wronged people from fixing the situation, either | May 04 20:21 |
| _Ender_ | yup | May 04 20:21 |
| MinceR | so it isn't so bad | May 04 20:21 |
| MinceR | but on the previous topic, expecting a dictatorship to give up power on its own is absurd | May 04 20:21 |
| _Ender_ | yeah | May 04 20:22 |
| _Ender_ | governments dont get smaller | May 04 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They will under two circumstances | May 04 20:22 |
| _Ender_ | 1) being invaded ? | May 04 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | 1. When there isno way to keep the government going financially. | May 04 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | 2. Peasant revolt, perhaps brought by #1 | May 04 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | _Ender_, He said willingly | May 04 20:22 |
| _Ender_ | yeah | May 04 20:23 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: that's not on its own and not something that can be expected to happen | May 04 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, a centrally planned economy always results in mass poverty | May 04 20:23 |
| MinceR | there's no willingness in those cases | May 04 20:23 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i know | May 04 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | how long that goes on is up to the people | May 04 20:23 |
| _Ender_ | and that depends on how good your propaganda is | May 04 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | poverty will exist as long as money exists, and as long as resources are in short supply in respect to need | May 04 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | Communism doesn't fix this, it just dictates who gets what according to what someone else thinks they need | May 04 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | it ends up being an engine for poverty that free market capitalism could never match | May 04 20:25 |
| _Ender_ | i agree | May 04 20:25 |
| _Ender_ | plus with communism, big corps still exist | May 04 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | yes they do | May 04 20:26 |
| _Ender_ | they often have deals with the governments | May 04 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | the USSR had government contractors even | May 04 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | there's a big problem on its own | May 04 20:26 |
| _Ender_ | china was taking land away from people for businesses to build stuff in their place | May 04 20:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> Communism only creates a new "rich" class. Those in power, and the black market. | May 04 20:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] @schestowitz That is from your own perspective sir., because my perspective says otherwise. | May 04 20:26 | |
| _Ender_ | people who owned their homes had to leave, without reparitions | May 04 20:26 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if they called that state "communism", iirc they called it "socialism" | May 04 20:27 |
| _Ender_ | same shit | May 04 20:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | true the name matters little what they call it | May 04 20:27 |
| MinceR | referring to Omar87's twitter message: "yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." | May 04 20:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | example bing | May 04 20:27 |
| _Ender_ | people know the USSR was communist | May 04 20:28 |
| _Ender_ | and what did the 'USSR' stand for | May 04 20:28 |
| _Ender_ | United Soviet Socialist Republic | May 04 20:28 |
| MinceR | there you go, "socialist" | May 04 20:28 |
| _Ender_ | you know what the nazi party was also called? | May 04 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | healthcare is one of the few things that should be socialized, and by that I mean they should have expanded Medicare to cover everyone and charge sliding scale premiums | May 04 20:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but Webster's Dictionary defines socialism as owning everything. People here think that is comunism. | May 04 20:28 |
| _Ender_ | nazi's are "National Socialists" | May 04 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | not route it through an existing for-profit insurancecompany clusterfuck :) | May 04 20:29 |
| MinceR | _Ender_: i know | May 04 20:29 |
| MinceR | funny how all these totalitarian groups are all the same despite vigorously claiming that they're polar opposites | May 04 20:29 |
| _Ender_ | people just need to read more and to stop listening to the news guy on tv | May 04 20:29 |
| _Ender_ | yeah it is funny | May 04 20:30 |
| _Ender_ | stalin killed more people than hitler too | May 04 20:30 |
| _Ender_ | he was just on 'our' side so we covered it up | May 04 20:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | _Ender_> nazi's are "National Socialists" Correct me if I am wrong, they believed in controlling the industies for the good of the state. Which is almost if not, what most western countries do now. | May 04 20:30 |
| _Ender_ | their class war was also racist | May 04 20:31 |
| _Ender_ | adolf had respected marx a lot and borrowed from him a lot, and borrowed from stalin a lot | May 04 20:31 |
| _Ender_ | stalin gave hitler his ideas on extermination but hitler picked the wrong 'class' to eliminate | May 04 20:32 |
| _Ender_ | theres a really good documentary on the two of them | May 04 20:32 |
| _Ender_ | 'The Soviet Story' | May 04 20:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hitler came very close to winning | May 04 20:33 |
| Aondo | http://www.wolfire.com/humble | May 04 20:33 |
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| _Ender_ | people are banning 'the soviet story' all over the place too | May 04 20:39 |
| _Ender_ | validates it even more | May 04 20:39 |
| _Ender_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5qQsXUZh0I | May 04 20:41 |
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| _Ender_ | weird coincidence: | May 04 20:43 |
| _Ender_ | stalin drafted his ukraine extermination plans on sept 11 1932 | May 04 20:44 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | vaporware? or something from M$ for ARM? | May 04 21:00 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I don't think MS can just give up the ARM market that is coming online now. CE is a joke on these products. There are no real apps for an ARM laptop beyond the CE office | May 04 21:02 |
| MinceR | "While Bill Gates and company pioneered the tablet PC space about 10 years ago" -- bullshit | May 04 21:02 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pen_computing | May 04 21:02 |
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| MinceR | is liliputing a m$ slave too? | May 04 21:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <MinceR> "While Bill Gates and company pioneered the tablet PC space about 10 years ago" -- bullshit Total agreement here. The OEM's did the pioneering, MS just leeched on with windows. | May 04 21:03 |
| MinceR | and it happened 20 years ago, not 10 years ago | May 04 21:04 |
| MinceR | it seems that tablet pcs are the thing that everybody likes to "invent" 10 years after somebody else invented it already | May 04 21:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | right off, I cannot think of much MS pioneered | May 04 21:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | pirated yes | May 04 21:04 |
| MinceR | they pioneered ripping off users and strangling an entire industry | May 04 21:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and stealing code | May 04 21:05 |
| MinceR | that too | May 04 21:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | remember Stac? | May 04 21:05 |
| MinceR | faintly | May 04 21:05 |
| MinceR | but they stole code before that | May 04 21:05 |
| MinceR | m$-dos, for example | May 04 21:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | most likely | May 04 21:06 |
| MinceR | lol @ menlo | May 04 21:07 |
| _Ender_ | there used to be a company that would turn macbooks into tablets | May 04 21:07 |
| MinceR | menlo can apparently be summed up as "let's just ignore that NT doesn't scale and force it on low-power devices anyway!" | May 04 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | on phone with Directv | May 04 21:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | CPM? DRDOS came about as a lawsuit against MS and IBM by the maker of CPM. He showed the copyright screen in a couple of msdos keystokes of CPM. and won the court case. MS bargained for a gag order of how much to pay. And they won the right to make a clone of MSDOS also, called DRDOS in the case. | May 04 21:09 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR>even XP (NT) would not scale on most of the ARM devices. Maybe if MS goes back to W2000 it might have a shot | May 04 21:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | newer windows is too bloated for ARM, most likely even XP | May 04 21:11 |
| MinceR | maybe if they steal the entirety of freebsd this time and call it "windows" they might have a shot | May 04 21:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera also see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzemr22pbrUhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzemr22pbrU | May 04 21:11 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=6077 by Mary Jo Micro$oft | May 04 21:13 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | vaporware? | May 04 21:13 |
| MinceR | most likely | May 04 21:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Still, I think this is something they want and need to do. Its their only chance of staying on these devices. WinCE/Phone7 is dead or stillborn | May 04 21:15 |
| MinceR | it's only a question of how long do they want to prolong their thrashing on mobile devices | May 04 21:15 |
| _Ender_ | the lack of multitasking and the creation of a ms-store signaled its death | May 04 21:15 |
| MinceR | and the lack of copy/paste | May 04 21:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Tablets are now off limit to windows as well, OEM's will not run to CE since the Ipad | May 04 21:16 |
| MinceR | and the lack of native apps | May 04 21:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | CE was never might to be a computer OS. And its a poorly done phone OS. | May 04 21:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *meant | May 04 21:16 |
| _Ender_ | CE is a joke | May 04 21:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> "and the lack of native apps" +1 yes you have nailed it | May 04 21:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250613070369&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT quote from the seller; "7 Inch Netbook running Android OS,Direct downloads no ActiveSync needed!WiFi !!Browse the web Music and Video player .watch the video to see it in action.We have over 50 hours of use on one of these devices with out a problem,This is a huge improvement over the WinCe version." | May 04 21:19 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | huge improvement over the WinCe version | May 04 21:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Android is still an phone OS | May 04 21:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It will be interesting when Google Chrome OS comes out for these ARM laptops. | May 04 21:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | these are cheap at $120, but only 5 hours max battery, so going wait for the better stuff coming out maybe at end of year | May 04 21:23 |
| _Ender_ | ill be looking forward to google chrome os | May 04 21:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | What I see is it hard to change the OS on one of these ARM laptops so far | May 04 21:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | don't think it uses a bios similar to intel based, that you can select an external cd/dvd usb device to install from | May 04 21:24 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Thing I didn't know about Hogan's Heroes (which I watched all the time as a kid): Carter was a Sioux! http://is.gd/bU5iU | May 04 21:25 | |
| MinceR | it will be interesting when people get a clue and GNU/Linux tablets will be widespread. :> | May 04 21:25 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | $100 Tablets? | May 04 21:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | for me I prefer Laptops | May 04 21:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | $100 computers sold in the USA will hit MS in the wallet hard | May 04 21:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | IF | May 04 21:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they have a decent OS on them | May 04 21:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not CE | May 04 21:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | notice that the pictures in CE on the ebay auctions use XP wallpaper? Some have started to post in their auctions that CE is not XP and cannot run the same programs | May 04 21:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as most likely people were returning the laptops when they found out it could not run xp apps | May 04 21:29 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | worse, as one person put it, its very hard to install a CE app on these ARM laptops | May 04 21:30 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | need to get on a letter writting campaign and ask these sellers to put Linux or Android/chrome on them, as CE sucks bad. | May 04 21:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | on ebay that is | May 04 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | I could get satellite and DSL for less than I pay for both on cable :P | May 04 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm finally ditching Comcast this week | May 04 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 04 21:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DeamonFC> satellite really bad | May 04 21:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | for internet | May 04 21:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ok for tv | May 04 21:33 |
| MinceR | well, i'd prefer convertible tablets | May 04 21:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as ebook readers they might be ok. An ARM tablet that does that could be very cheap | May 04 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | dsl for internet | May 04 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | I get $10 off for having Directv | May 04 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they have satellite internet for people in the sticks | May 04 21:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Direcway sucks | May 04 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | 512 kbps down / 128 up for $50 a month | May 04 21:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | internet by Hughs which is also Directv | May 04 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | not really a deal if you can get 6 mbps dsl for $35 | May 04 21:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DSL is better, yes | May 04 21:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Direcway limits your downloads and uploads to 180mb | May 04 21:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | for $60 per month | May 04 21:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | each day 180mb | May 04 21:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or was that every two days | May 04 21:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and they really don't spell that figure out in the contract either | May 04 21:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The H.264 pool represents 1,135 patents from 26 companies in 44 countries: http://ur1.ca/yvge | May 04 21:47 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: H.264 patents: how much do they really cost? | Ed Botts Microsoft Report | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 95.12 KB | May 04 21:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | audio and video codecs and the patents on them, are in some ways, an attack on the right of free speech | May 04 21:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ed Bott=major M$ Shill | May 04 21:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VAasVXtCOI | May 04 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | [21:03] <MinceR> is liliputing a m$ slave too? | May 04 21:49 |
| schestowitz | No way. | May 04 21:49 |
| schestowitz | But it's a lie... about Microsoft and 'invention' | May 04 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Apple invests everything... with a light and shady apple logo on it | May 04 21:49 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: well I enjoyed two good Ubuntu Open Week sessions today | May 04 21:50 |
| sebsebseb | also Mono got mentioned by the guy a bit in the Wine one and so on from there | May 04 21:50 |
| schestowitz | This Menlo is the Singularity/Slate/Courier/others I reckon | May 04 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Vapoursoft | May 04 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I got free of one evil empire at least | May 04 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 04 21:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its certainly vaporware for now. But it must be something that MS wants and needs. An XP like OS for ARM. Just somehow, not sure they can pull that off. | May 04 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Done. Posted: http://techrights.org/2010/05/04/playonlinux-and-kde/ | May 04 21:51 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Links 4/5/2010: Opera EULA Tweaked for GNU/Linux, PlayOnLinux 3.7.6, KDE 4.5 Teaser, and Fedora 14 Names | Techrights .::. Size~: 121.64 KB | May 04 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | Directv can't possibly be worse than Comcast | May 04 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I'll do some posts later... about 10 of them.. maybe tomorrow | May 04 21:51 |
| schestowitz | [21:13] <Chips_B_Malroy> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=6077 by Mary Jo Micro$oft | May 04 21:51 |
| sebsebseb | It seems Ubuntu want to have chomeium as the default browser :( | May 04 21:51 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Could 'Menlo' signal a change in Microsoft's mobile strategy? | All about Microsoft | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 109.49 KB | May 04 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | satellite ftw | May 04 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | Chrome/Chromium fan boys ah! | May 04 21:52 |
| schestowitz | I liked her when she ran MS Watch | May 04 21:52 |
| schestowitz | way back 2006-07 | May 04 21:52 |
| schestowitz | She actually dared to question the liars | May 04 21:52 |
| sebsebseb | Worse than Ubuntu fan boys, quite a lot are both. | May 04 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Now she works for CBSoft | May 04 21:52 |
| schestowitz | She has a personal site you know... as a fallback | May 04 21:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> Directv is better than Comcast. TV. But Direcway, (internet satellite) sucks bad | May 04 21:52 |
| schestowitz | It might come handy if she dares not to be a PR person and then gets the pink slip for it | May 04 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | I'm stuck with Comcast until May 12 | May 04 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [21:17] <_Ender_> CE is a joke | May 04 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | even though my Directv gets installed on the 6th | May 04 21:53 |
| schestowitz | It's hardly promoted anymore | May 04 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | cause they can't hook up my DSL til the 12th | May 04 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is busy trying to 'own' Linux | May 04 21:53 |
| schestowitz | w/ swpats | May 04 21:53 |
| sebsebseb | They also seem to think that Wine and Mono working together more is a good thing. | May 04 21:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz: 3rd and last time.Having a little network trouble. Will watch shortly ta for link. | May 04 21:53 | |
| DaemonFC | you better believe I'll be in Comcast's office on the 12th telling them to take their shit back | May 04 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | and cut my "service" | May 04 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Corp-> Microsoft Holdings | May 04 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Apple Computers->Apple | May 04 21:54 |
| *sebsebseb no one here at the moment, seems to care about what I am saying, ah well I guess then | May 04 21:54 | |
| schestowitz | Apple is no longer about computing | May 04 21:54 |
| schestowitz | It's a cult | May 04 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is not incorporating products | May 04 21:54 |
| schestowitz | It's likes MPEG LA, dual-trolling/licensing | May 04 21:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, I said this back when the Psystar vs Apple case was going, if Apple wins, there will be repercussions | May 04 21:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | We know see an Apple that is becoming a tyrant in court. That wants to own everything. MS is not far behind, they will learn how to limit their users even more thanks to this case. | May 04 21:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | expect the use of efi chips to become more widespread for one | May 04 21:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Only 6 days left to pay what you want for the Humble Indie Bundle! http://j.mp/9WtdAm | May 04 21:57 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Humble Indie Bundle (pay what you want for five awesome indie games) .::. Size~: 62.36 KB | May 04 21:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Why does Intel graphics suck so bad on Linux but not Windows? Is it the wintel cartel again? | May 04 21:57 |
| MinceR | it sucks so bad? | May 04 21:58 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: hey | May 04 21:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | newer Intel graphics | May 04 21:58 |
| schestowitz | jono wrote about it earlier | May 04 21:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hi | May 04 21:58 |
| schestowitz | I think he's off for drinks | May 04 21:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: wrote about which? | May 04 21:58 |
| schestowitz | [21:55] <Chips_B_Malroy> Roy, I said this back when the Psystar vs Apple case was going, if Apple wins, there will be repercussions | May 04 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Jobs: what do _I_ care? I'm rich! | May 04 21:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Got a link? | May 04 21:59 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: the Week | May 04 21:59 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: scroll up maybe? | May 04 21:59 |
| sebsebseb | oh about Open Week | May 04 21:59 |
| schestowitz | I'm doing some links at the moment | May 04 21:59 |
| schestowitz | I'll post some in identica now... | May 04 21:59 |
| schestowitz | I enjoy Linux news these days | May 04 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft gives me reasons to smile | May 04 22:00 |
| schestowitz | God bless them, killing 2 products in 2 days | May 04 22:00 |
| sebsebseb | If anyone is interested, well the log of the wine and desktop sessions that happended today, are worth reading. | May 04 22:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Jobs ownes 6% of Disney/ABC as a result of selling Pixair to them in exchange for stock. He also sits on the board of Disney. | May 04 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Usually it's 2 in 2 weeks | May 04 22:00 |
| MinceR | "newer" as in GMA 500 or as in GMA X3xxx and GMA X4500? | May 04 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: yes | May 04 22:00 |
| schestowitz | They hate streaming | May 04 22:00 |
| MinceR | or GMA HD? | May 04 22:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | That stock at Disney Jobs ownes is worth 4 billion dollars alone | May 04 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he'll turn Lala into MPEG lala | May 04 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Renting from Hollywood | May 04 22:00 |
| MinceR | MPEG LAla? | May 04 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 04 22:00 |
| schestowitz | I made that joke before | May 04 22:01 |
| schestowitz | MPEG LALA Land | May 04 22:01 |
| sebsebseb | I guess Firefox isn't as cool as it used to be, but chromium as a default browser for the Desktop version of Ubuntu, eww no. | May 04 22:01 |
| MinceR | :> | May 04 22:01 |
| schestowitz | of swpats | May 04 22:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Apple ownes part of, or some of the h.264 codec patents | May 04 22:01 |
| schestowitz | "I own this matrix!" | May 04 22:01 |
| schestowitz | "Get off my bitrate, thief!" | May 04 22:01 |
| schestowitz | It's all maths in codecs | May 04 22:01 |
| MinceR | illegal maths | May 04 22:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | web standard h.264 partly in the hands of Jobs, is something everyone should fear | May 04 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | The Bott bot is becoming an anti-Ogg bot | May 04 22:02 |
| schestowitz | That bot needs to be sacked, but he works for Hollywood | May 04 22:02 |
| schestowitz | CBS pays him | May 04 22:02 |
| schestowitz | And he makes money selling Win32 books | May 04 22:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bott really likes his free laptops from MS | May 04 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Yeah :-) | May 04 22:03 |
| schestowitz | He has to like it | May 04 22:03 |
| schestowitz | This way he'll get another | May 04 22:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he says he gave it to charity after he got caught, I doubt that | May 04 22:03 |
| schestowitz | He has tough competition vs Da Costa | May 04 22:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, somehow I trust Andre more | May 04 22:03 |
| schestowitz | SteveB waves laptop from the roof of a building | May 04 22:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or maybe Andre is just more likeable | May 04 22:04 |
| schestowitz | "jump for laptops, me [sic] fellow sheeplers" | May 04 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Andre copy and pasta costa\ | May 04 22:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | whatever happened to Bott's twin? George Oui? | May 04 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Andre has the press release on quickdail | May 04 22:05 |
| schestowitz | *dial | May 04 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Ou is gone | May 04 22:05 |
| schestowitz | For the most part | May 04 22:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | May 04 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Not seen him in 2009 much... | May 04 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Goo! | May 04 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Good! | May 04 22:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | May 04 22:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | another useful idiot for M$ gone | May 04 22:06 |
| schestowitz | There's more of us I guess... but most play ball for "Android" and "Ubuntu" | May 04 22:06 |
| schestowitz | THey don't do the Linux and GNU in branding | May 04 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Maemo... WebOS... | May 04 22:06 |
| schestowitz | RIP | May 04 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Now HP will rename it | May 04 22:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Palm WebOS might take HP more out of the MS sphere, I hope | May 04 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Then MeeGo overrised Intel's | May 04 22:07 |
| schestowitz | LIPS->LIMO->trash | May 04 22:07 |
| schestowitz | With ACCESS... send the submarines | May 04 22:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as HP is too close to MS | May 04 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the submarines can salvage BeOS from the bottom of the ocean | May 04 22:07 |
| _Ender_ | lol! | May 04 22:07 |
| _Ender_ | too bad ACCESS killed BeOS | May 04 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Hidden beneath the pagan du jour of anti-Android man | May 04 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Tell him to turn to Poseidon | May 04 22:08 |
| _Ender_ | lol | May 04 22:08 |
| schestowitz | He seems to have already turned to just about any mumbo-jumbo deity on Earth | May 04 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Seriously thought | May 04 22:08 |
| schestowitz | *though | May 04 22:08 |
| schestowitz | he did | May 04 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | Retirement is near | May 04 22:09 |
| schestowitz | We can all chip in for a parents home | May 04 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Or a mental clinic | May 04 22:09 |
| schestowitz | chip will chip in | May 04 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Won't be fair to fellow tenant... a man whouting at the wall "agghhhhDROID!!" | May 04 22:10 |
| _Ender_ | he wants world domination | May 04 22:10 |
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| _Ender_ | i was laughing but then I actually "heard" him say it | May 04 22:10 |
| _Ender_ | "we're going to take over the world and put me in charge" - Lefty | May 04 22:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Lumpy is a nutcase, that Access uses to attack its revivals | May 04 22:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | just an attack dog of the worse kind | May 04 22:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | mad, rabid | May 04 22:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Google will crush Access as a side benefit to mankind when they envicion the cash cows of M$ | May 04 22:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it will be hard for Access to sell its OS, when Google gives Android away for free, hehe | May 04 22:16 |
| MinceR | if only android didn't suck so much | May 04 22:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | chrome too | May 04 22:17 |
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| MinceR | yeah, chrome with its own ideas on how to do font rendering | May 04 22:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | what I am looking for is an easy way to put real Debain or Ubuntu on one of these CD ARM laptops | May 04 22:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but even Android or Chrome Beta is interesting | May 04 22:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I like the idea of having a very cheap laptop, that you can actually have holding in your laptop, without frying something. To surf, chat with, email etc. | May 04 22:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | with good battery life | May 04 22:19 |
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| MinceR | i already have that, except for the "very cheap" part :> | May 04 22:23 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | expect ARM to win out on Intel on Tablets. Ipad did ARM. | May 04 22:24 |
| MinceR | no, the hypePad did A4 or something | May 04 22:24 |
| MinceR | some PA Semi thing | May 04 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Proprietary h/w | May 04 22:26 |
| schestowitz | the iCPU | May 04 22:26 |
| _Ender_ | [17:01] <MinceR> yeah, chrome with its own ideas on how to do font rendering | May 04 22:26 |
| _Ender_ | lol, you hate good looking fonts? | May 04 22:27 |
| MinceR | no, i hate bad looking fonts | May 04 22:27 |
| MinceR | including broken hinting and refusal to antialias | May 04 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Apple has good font sets | May 04 22:27 |
| schestowitz | But it also uses hardware for refining rendering of them | May 04 22:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Expect Apple to now move into controlling the gov as MS has done. Lobbying. As Apple is about to surpass MS in overall profits | May 04 22:31 |
| schestowitz | [22:14] <Chips_B_Malroy> Google will crush Access as a side benefit to mankind when they envicion the cash cows of M$ | May 04 22:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Apple-A4-Teardown/2204/1 "The A4 is an ARM processor featuring package-on-package construction to improve the speed and efficiency of internal processes." | May 04 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of arrrghndroid in the parents home... | May 04 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Well, actually, I doubt he's a parents.. | May 04 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Just comes to show how nicely Darwinian theory works | May 04 22:33 |
| schestowitz | [22:31] <Chips_B_Malroy> Expect Apple to now move into controlling the gov as MS has done. Lobbying. As Apple is about to surpass MS in overall profits | May 04 22:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I fear sorry for his kids if he has any | May 04 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Google too | May 04 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Google lobbies a lolt | May 04 22:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they have too, to combate the effect of MS that wants to kill them | May 04 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Apple wants people to buy more Foxconn slavery produce with an Apple label to jack up the price | May 04 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Jacked up for Jobsians, not the factory workers | May 04 22:35 |
| MinceR | Chips_B_Malroy: i see. i didn't know the A4 was ARM | May 04 22:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, so Tablets, the war between ARM and Intel is basically over | May 04 22:36 |
| schestowitz | ARMple? | May 04 22:37 |
| schestowitz | What about Nokia? | May 04 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Intel wooed them to use crap CPUs | May 04 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Atomic self destruction | May 04 22:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Apple wanted Ipad to be ARM based on their stripped down cell phone OS X so as not to canabalise its Macbook line. | May 04 22:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Cellphones are basically all ARM | May 04 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Heavy, disgusting, battery-guzzling with fancy European names for Intel code names | May 04 22:38 |
| schestowitz | They have those long new names I can't spell | May 04 22:38 |
| schestowitz | LG fell for it to | May 04 22:38 |
| schestowitz | *too | May 04 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Linux is up in ARMS | May 04 22:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The Ipad was a way for Apple to get into the low end market, but charge middle range prices. | May 04 22:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The price competes with Wintel laptops at $500 | May 04 22:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Jobs must be figuring that they will sell more Ipads to windows users in that price range than mac users who would have bought a macbook pro | May 04 22:41 |
| MinceR | afaict nokia is still using ARM cpus | May 04 22:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I believe he is right too | May 04 22:41 |
| MinceR | http://www.forum.nokia.com/devices/matrix_all_1.html | May 04 22:41 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | This will impact MS again to some extent | May 04 22:41 |
| MinceR | i've checked some of the newest | May 04 22:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Magnetic Fields "69 love songs" not crap like it sounds. More of an odyssey than a trip down the aisle. Pure genius. | May 04 22:42 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The Ipad has some appeal to novice windows users, who don't know better. First there is a lot of pain in Windowsland with malware. Moving to Linux or Ipad (apple ARM) basically solves the problem. A lot of the computer unsavvy, just go to a store here and buy something. They only know Windows and Apple. | May 04 22:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So this $500 limited Ipad, still appeals to many users who get infected on windows and want secure | May 04 22:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and they can just go to the store and buy it, no thinking about downloading and installing a GNU/Linux distro cd, that would work on the old infected windows machine, a lot better too. And Free. | May 04 22:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | That is the market the Ipad mainly appeals too | May 04 22:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its not the only one, of course | May 04 22:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] "Fixed" my bosses joggler by dding my joggler filesystem directly to his. Now to fudge out the personal bits about me. wonder where that is | May 04 22:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I signed the petition to repeal the Digital Economy Act http://bit.ly/deapetition #DEBill #DEAct | May 04 22:52 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Apple is scared. Ipad with ARM sells well. But how about when ChromeOS comes out on cheap ARM laptops and Tablets? $100 and up. Will Ipad be able to compete with these, as the OS will have basic things, like copy and paste. Removable batteries? | May 04 22:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I think not | May 04 22:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Unless Apple buys ARM | May 04 22:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: when? | May 04 22:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | May 04 22:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | I could buy ipad killers before the ipad came out | May 04 22:59 |
| oiaohm | Android and Meego are lining up to go head to head with ipad. | May 04 23:00 |
| oiaohm | Fun part is both could be sharing the same applications. | May 04 23:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | lining up? | May 04 23:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | May 04 23:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | they already won | May 04 23:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | they were here first and are still strong | May 04 23:00 |
| oiaohm | We still have not had the great marketing push from anyone over them. Diablo-D3 | May 04 23:01 |
| oiaohm | It will come. | May 04 23:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | when it comes here, it will be on ebay | May 04 23:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | why do they need marketing? | May 04 23:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | when all devices already run linux, linux isnt the one who needs to market | May 04 23:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not in the stores, as M$ seems to control most of the stores | May 04 23:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | who goes to a store? lol | May 04 23:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | at least until the stores see it selling | May 04 23:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] BREAKING NEWS: #PhillipaStroud believes in equality for the demons inside gay people. "Those demons are as Tory as anyone." | May 04 23:02 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Diablo-D3> who goes to a store? lol" average windows users | May 04 23:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | average windows users hit dell.com | May 04 23:04 |
| oiaohm | Marketing push is need for store kick backs. | May 04 23:04 |
| oiaohm | Yes the way the evil market works. | May 04 23:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Walmart, Best Buy, Office Max, Office Depot, are the main stores in USA | May 04 23:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Microsoft's Internet Explorer losing browser share http://tinyurl.com/28pcv3v | May 04 23:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I did it..on the train home I finally beat a difficult computer player on Midnight Bowling 2 I'm well chuffed... | May 04 23:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @ThistleWeb BBC News - Microsoft's Internet Explorer losing browser share http://tinyurl.com/28pcv3v | May 04 23:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Terry Pratchett attacks 'ludicrous' Doctor Who | Books | guardian.co.uk - Pratchett, brilliant as ever http://tinyurl.com/22uftoa | May 04 23:10 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | scifi fans here. Was watching Dollhouse the other day, was ok. | May 04 23:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linusearch on the Success of #GNU #Linux in Building Companies http://ur1.ca/yvtp also new: http://ur1.ca/yvtq | May 04 23:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wearable Computers Run #GNU #Linux http://www.handlewithlinux.com/wearable-linux-computer | May 04 23:20 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: wearable linux computer, makes you feel like cap'n crunch | Handle With Linux .::. Size~: 30.04 KB | May 04 23:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux On The Desktop Enters from New Routes http://technologysolutionslive.com/2010/05/linux-on-the-desktop/ | May 04 23:22 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Linux On The Desktop? | Technology Solutions Live .::. Size~: 25.46 KB | May 04 23:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Virtualisation Gives More Room for #GNU #Linux on Desktops http://ur1.ca/yvvr | May 04 23:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Better Than #Windows at System Updates http://ur1.ca/yvvx | May 04 23:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More GNU/Linux users coming to Texas..... http://ur1.ca/yidh Go Ken and Team! | May 04 23:25 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Blog of Helios: Austin Group Prepares for Linux Against Poverty. .::. Size~: 106.27 KB | May 04 23:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Inside #NASA 's World-Class Supercomputer Center: #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/yvwc What else? | May 04 23:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Examples of #Linux Prominence in Routing http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/7054/1/ | May 04 23:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux (Kernel Space) 2.6.34-rc6, 2.6.32.12, and 2.6.33.3 Released http://ur1.ca/yvwz http://ur1.ca/yvx0 | May 04 23:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Compared to E. Coli http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/2010/05/03/linux-versus-e-coli/ | May 04 23:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Graphics Stack in #Linux Gets More Freedom http://ur1.ca/yfiz http://ur1.ca/yvxa | May 04 23:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Another headline makes Ahmadinejad sound like a Batman villain. http://is.gd/bUdj6 #goebbels | May 04 23:38 | |
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| Ender2070 | i wanted to point something else out about China | May 04 23:39 |
| Ender2070 | unlike north korean oppression, you can actually leave the country | May 04 23:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin How is the game console taking your win? :) I do hope its battery does not go flat. | May 04 23:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] @_Goblin It's Internet Exploder if you want to be accurate :] | May 04 23:44 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | First M$ will go down, then Crapple | May 04 23:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Opera Changes Its Proprietary Software EULA to Fit #GNU #Linux Needs http://ur1.ca/yw0c http://ur1.ca/yw0d | May 04 23:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Improved Tools for Running #Windows Games in GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/yw0q http://ur1.ca/yw0r | May 04 23:53 | |
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