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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Wow. !Techrights has just climbed to 1200th in Netcraft traffic rank. Higher than Groklaw. | Jul 07 00:03 | |
| cubezzz | weird, the guide stopped working on my hdtv | Jul 07 00:08 |
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| schestowitz | knackeered. l8r | Jul 07 00:11 |
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| sebsebseb | oiaohm: i'll do this in here | Jul 07 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | I got a great link to share with you | Jul 07 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | and I guess jono as well for that matter | Jul 07 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | well a great comment, and a great/article comment, with a not so technical woman that has done Ubuntu | Jul 07 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | not a direct link to article/interview since the comment, which now has a reply as well | Jul 07 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010070500435INCYDP | Jul 07 00:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Linux Today - Linux: The Mom & Pop's Operating System .::. Size~: 76.6 KB | Jul 07 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2010070500435INCYDP | Jul 07 00:41 |
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| cubezzz | yeah I read that | Jul 07 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: Yeah I gave the link out not that long ago in here | Jul 07 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | What you think? | Jul 07 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | and now I give it out twice | Jul 07 00:43 |
| cubezzz | well my Dad uses Fedora :) | Jul 07 00:44 |
| cubezzz | and he's not terribly computer savy | Jul 07 00:45 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: my parants are majorly locked into Windows, but my brothers use Ubuntu, and they don't know computers well, but my younger brother is still rather young so yeah | Jul 07 00:45 |
| sebsebseb | I have thought about switching to another distro on there instead, but I keep on giving Ubuntu changes, even through releases since 9.04, have all let me down in some way or the other | Jul 07 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | chances not changes, well for that computer | Jul 07 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | for mine nope :) | Jul 07 00:46 |
| cubezzz | no one is really "locked" on windows | Jul 07 00:46 |
| cubezzz | back in 1994 there was just win 3.1 | Jul 07 00:47 |
| cubezzz | ok, windows is just getting popular | Jul 07 00:47 |
| cubezzz | before that... dos | Jul 07 00:47 |
| cubezzz | now clearly windows just gradually came into popularity over time | Jul 07 00:48 |
| cubezzz | over time, it can just as easily go away | Jul 07 00:48 |
| cubezzz | but certainly no one has to use windows, there are many choices now | Jul 07 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: cubezzz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/28/chase_ie_6_dumps_chrome_opera/ | Jul 07 01:00 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Rancid IE6 'more secure' than Chrome and Opera US bank says • The Register .::. Size~: 29.26 KB | Jul 07 01:00 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/28/chase_ie_6_dumps_chrome_opera/ | Jul 07 01:00 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Rancid IE6 'more secure' than Chrome and Opera US bank says • The Register .::. Size~: 29.26 KB | Jul 07 01:00 |
| cubezzz | US Bank | Jul 07 01:01 |
| cubezzz | firefox works just fine with my bank (a Canadian bank) | Jul 07 01:01 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: they still support Firefox :) | Jul 07 01:01 |
| cubezzz | oh well, no problem then | Jul 07 01:01 |
| sebsebseb | Chrome is uh anyway | Jul 07 01:01 |
| sebsebseb | and Chromeium | Jul 07 01:01 |
| sebsebseb | I don't understand all the hype, it reminds me of IE 7 even the look | Jul 07 01:01 |
| oiaohm | opera I can under stand. | Jul 07 01:02 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh? | Jul 07 01:02 |
| oiaohm | chrome its a fairly good design. | Jul 07 01:02 |
| oiaohm | But chrome is doing a lot of expermental stuff. | Jul 07 01:02 |
| cubezzz | chrome is OK, but I prefer firefox or links | Jul 07 01:02 |
| sebsebseb | Yeah Firefox :) | Jul 07 01:02 |
| oiaohm | You are a bank you don't like someone doing lot of expermental stuff. | Jul 07 01:02 |
| sebsebseb | and been quite a while since I used text only browser, but yeah those are fun | Jul 07 01:02 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: lot of experimental stuff? | Jul 07 01:03 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, can you think of any easy way to truncate an ASCII file by 4 bytes? | Jul 07 01:03 |
| cubezzz | I don't know the size of the file beforehand | Jul 07 01:03 |
| oiaohm | nacl and other things google is planing on bring in sebsebseb | Jul 07 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | whats nacl? | Jul 07 01:04 |
| oiaohm | Native code running from web site. | Jul 07 01:05 |
| oiaohm | Scary to banks. | Jul 07 01:05 |
| oiaohm | Even slightly scary to me. | Jul 07 01:05 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: native code running form website? | Jul 07 01:06 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: oiaohm someone else gave that link to me originally, so here are comments. http://www.linuxtoday.com/security/2010070601035NWBZNT | Jul 07 01:14 |
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| sebsebseb | http://www.linuxtoday.com/security/2010070601035NWBZNT | Jul 07 01:14 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[openuniverse/@openuniverse] rt @schestowitz #Techrights has just climbed to 1200th in Netcraft traffic rank. Higher than Groklaw. ( http://280.status.net/notice/216331 | Jul 07 01:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: Sideroxylon. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/539986.html | Jul 07 02:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Profile of Sourceforge's Lee Schlesinger, Top Free/Open Source eCommerce Platforms http://ur1.ca/0kdsi http://ur1.ca/0kdsj | Jul 07 02:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Chrome Gains in Web Browsers Space http://ur1.ca/0kdsr http://ur1.ca/0kdss http://ur1.ca/0kdst http://ur1.ca/0kdsv http://ur1.ca/0kdsw | Jul 07 02:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wow. #Techrights has just climbed to 1200th in Netcraft traffic rank. Higher than Groklaw. | Jul 07 02:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SaaS/Web is Dominated by Free Software/Linux http://ur1.ca/0kdye http://ur1.ca/0kdyg http://ur1.ca/0kdyh http://ur1.ca/0kdyi | Jul 07 02:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mobile #Firefox 1.1 Targets #Linux But Not #Windows http://ur1.ca/0kdya http://ur1.ca/0kdyb | Jul 07 02:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Well done! I think though that you should open up the comments section action...may make for more discussion. | Jul 07 02:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Finally I can play YouTube video using firefox4 beta but unable to see a right click download video option. #firefox4beta @firefox #ff4 | Jul 07 02:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Bradley Manning charges analysis http://bit.ly/caPLXe | Jul 07 02:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] The first thing you should do after installing Firefox4beta is to enable the webGL support from about:config page. #firefox4 #firefox #webgl | Jul 07 02:00 | |
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| eduardo | hey all | Jul 07 02:16 |
| eduardo | hi jono | Jul 07 02:19 |
| eduardo | what time is it for you? | Jul 07 02:19 |
| eduardo | I'm thinking I'll need to find a job where I can work from home if I expect to be able to talk to you guys :) | Jul 07 02:21 |
| eduardo | always a dead zone | Jul 07 02:21 |
| eduardo | when I'm around | Jul 07 02:21 |
| eduardo | should I be taking a hint? :))) | Jul 07 02:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft raids the penny jar of small business with piracy allegations? http://tinyurl.com/3456wjn #microsoft #mvp #windows #vista #tpb #xp | Jul 07 02:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitgoo.com/177j9f An old Pc which sees life again thanks to #linux and yes #KDE 4 works fine with 512mb RAM. | Jul 07 02:44 | |
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| oiaohm | http://code.google.com/p/nativeclient/ sebsebseb I ended up afk. This is one of the techs google is working on that scares banks. | Jul 07 02:45 |
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| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh | Jul 07 02:45 |
| oiaohm | What about CPU flaws. Google not thinking about that. | Jul 07 02:46 |
| oiaohm | nativeclient could open up doors that google cannot stop. | Jul 07 02:46 |
| oiaohm | Basically banks backing away from chrome I see nothing wrong with if it backed by correct assessment information. | Jul 07 02:47 |
| oiaohm | Maybe it a little over careful but hey its money. Lot of banks block access from IE if you have active X enabled. | Jul 07 02:48 |
| oiaohm | Due to the native code risk. | Jul 07 02:48 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh theres a long video about it | Jul 07 02:48 |
| oiaohm | Nativecode is good from a performance point of view. | Jul 07 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh so whatever it is is like Activex? | Jul 07 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | anyway people can change their user agent string and gain access to the website? | Jul 07 02:49 |
| oiaohm | Active X with proper secuirty around it. | Jul 07 02:49 |
| oiaohm | Old active X was basically get in and do what ever no secuirty stoping you. | Jul 07 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: they can try and block this and that browser, but their will be ways round the block, I guess | Jul 07 02:50 |
| oiaohm | Simple one with active x and nacl is include them on the page. | Jul 07 02:50 |
| oiaohm | If they run kill link. | Jul 07 02:51 |
| oiaohm | System being used is not secure. | Jul 07 02:51 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Jul 07 02:51 |
| oiaohm | As you can hear I have nothing against banks banning chrome until nativecode is proven safe or google clearly states it will be disabled by default when they include it. | Jul 07 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: well I don't like Chrome/Chromeium much anyway, plus I don't do online banking, so doesn't effect me :D | Jul 07 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | as for a security point of view | Jul 07 02:53 |
| oiaohm | Key thing is they did not target firefox. | Jul 07 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | indeed @ what you just typed | Jul 07 02:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, time for bed I think.....Nite all. | Jul 07 02:54 | |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: that article didn't provide a proper reason that Chrome is blocked though, or a link to one? | Jul 07 02:54 |
| oiaohm | Firefox is not the most secure thing. | Jul 07 02:54 |
| sebsebseb | as to why it is | Jul 07 02:54 |
| sebsebseb | blocked | Jul 07 02:54 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: also yeah Firefox gets a lot of security updates | Jul 07 02:54 |
| oiaohm | But it is intergrating security designs as they are tested. | Jul 07 02:54 |
| oiaohm | Banks are not going to give attackers ideas sebsebseb | Jul 07 02:55 |
| oiaohm | So will just ban without telling you fully why. | Jul 07 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | well need the reason for why website is blocked for a browser really | Jul 07 02:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] (http://twitgoo.com/177j9f) and before anyone says it needs a clean, I know...Its a recently rescued PC to be refurbished for a friend | Jul 07 02:57 | |
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| oiaohm | Also sebsebseb both chrome and opera have bundled flash. | Jul 07 03:01 |
| oiaohm | The list of issues with both opera and chrome actions is long. sebsebseb | Jul 07 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: what for bundling Flash in? | Jul 07 03:01 |
| oiaohm | The installers. | Jul 07 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | oh Opera has Flash bundled in as well? | Jul 07 03:01 |
| oiaohm | After secuirty issues Opera removed it. | Jul 07 03:02 |
| sebsebseb | issues with the nstallers of the browsers? | Jul 07 03:02 |
| oiaohm | Chrome still is going ahead with including it. | Jul 07 03:02 |
| oiaohm | Ie secuirty careless bundling. sebsebseb | Jul 07 03:03 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully chrome developers take the wake up call. Hang on secuirty first not second third and forth. | Jul 07 03:04 |
| oiaohm | People with security backgrounds like me see nothing wrong with what the bank did. Ok IE6 is not great but you know what evil you are dealing with. | Jul 07 03:07 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: know what evil dealing with? | Jul 07 03:09 |
| sebsebseb | since its old? | Jul 07 03:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Another @adoxtater classic! RT @adoxtater: Me being mayor of two hotels in Foursquare feels so wrong lol. | Jul 07 03:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @JPBarlow: Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand. - Kurt Vonnegut | Jul 07 03:10 | |
| oiaohm | Banks have a cure to IE6 | Jul 07 03:10 |
| oiaohm | Load a active X to process instead. | Jul 07 03:11 |
| oiaohm | So IE6 defects really don't come into there processing system. | Jul 07 03:11 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: uhmm whats that? | Jul 07 03:12 |
| oiaohm | Lot of banks sites detect ie6 | Jul 07 03:12 |
| oiaohm | Respond with here is an active X control you must use to enter. | Jul 07 03:12 |
| sebsebseb | for added security? | Jul 07 03:12 |
| oiaohm | That active X control basically is the bank interface. | Jul 07 03:13 |
| oiaohm | So the rest of IE 6 is basically nothing more than decoration. | Jul 07 03:13 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Jul 07 03:13 |
| oiaohm | Ie the banks are not really using IE6 even that the users think they are. | Jul 07 03:13 |
| oiaohm | Remember the chrome active x for IE that allowed chromes browser engine to be used instead of the IE one. | Jul 07 03:14 |
| oiaohm | Lot of banks have taken that onboard. | Jul 07 03:14 |
| oiaohm | And made own. | Jul 07 03:14 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people are making lot of stupid mistakes. Just because banks are letting IE6 to the door does not mean the users are using it once they are inside the bank site. | Jul 07 03:16 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Jul 07 03:17 |
| sebsebseb | and no don't know could use Webkit in IE | Jul 07 03:17 |
| sebsebseb | 6 | Jul 07 03:17 |
| sebsebseb | didn't know | Jul 07 03:18 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: anyway I am about to go away from the computer | Jul 07 03:19 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem. People are commenting without understanding the full picture. | Jul 07 03:19 |
| oiaohm | You argree full picture makes it look way different sebsebseb | Jul 07 03:19 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: what by saying banks are bad for allowing IE 6? or? | Jul 07 03:19 |
| oiaohm | Really its a no op sebsebseb | Jul 07 03:19 |
| oiaohm | If they are using active x patch. | Jul 07 03:19 |
| sebsebseb | a no what? | Jul 07 03:20 |
| oiaohm | no operation. | Jul 07 03:20 |
| oiaohm | meaning not good not bad. | Jul 07 03:20 |
| sebsebseb | well loads of people have said for years that Activex is bad, a security risk and such | Jul 07 03:20 |
| oiaohm | Active X is a double sided sword. | Jul 07 03:20 |
| sebsebseb | meaning bad? | Jul 07 03:21 |
| oiaohm | Bad for secuirty also can be used to patching secuiry flaws. | Jul 07 03:21 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Which is what the banks are doing? | Jul 07 03:21 |
| oiaohm | Yep banks are using active x to patch. | Jul 07 03:21 |
| oiaohm | If people are going to turn up with crappy browsers and they will not move off all you can do is patch. | Jul 07 03:22 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: or basically to get round all those IE 6 security issues? | Jul 07 03:22 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Jul 07 03:22 |
| oiaohm | Of cource if you take IE6 to a non bank site you ass is still toast. | Jul 07 03:22 |
| sebsebseb | so all the rest of IE 6 just becomes a shell? is what you were saying, since the only part of IE 6 that is really being used for the bank is their activex control? | Jul 07 03:22 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Jul 07 03:23 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: ok patching for banks | Jul 07 03:23 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not company intranets | Jul 07 03:23 |
| sebsebseb | those are still made for IE 6 and its bad rendering engine | Jul 07 03:23 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: also still quite a lot of sites work quite well in IE 6 I guess | Jul 07 03:23 |
| oiaohm | Less every day. | Jul 07 03:24 |
| oiaohm | Thank god. | Jul 07 03:24 |
| sebsebseb | altough Google no longer supports it, if I remember correctly | Jul 07 03:24 |
| oiaohm | More and more sites no longer support IE6 | Jul 07 03:24 |
| oiaohm | Some sites are even stoping suppoting IE 7 | Jul 07 03:24 |
| sebsebseb | yeah IE 6 horrible rendering enginge, but its GUI is better than IE 7 and IE 8, but yeah no tabs, altough there is/was a MSN toolbar add on for tabs or whatever | Jul 07 03:24 |
| oiaohm | And demarding IE8 | Jul 07 03:24 |
| sebsebseb | well there are adverts on the TV here for IE8 | Jul 07 03:24 |
| sebsebseb | which I am not so keen on | Jul 07 03:25 |
| oiaohm | IE8 is closer to standards. | Jul 07 03:25 |
| sebsebseb | ,but thats one way to get computer ignorants to upgrade their browser, I suppouse | Jul 07 03:25 |
| sebsebseb | apparnatly IE9 will be rather standards complaint | Jul 07 03:25 |
| oiaohm | And web developers are becoming more and more standard beasts. | Jul 07 03:25 |
| oiaohm | Ie if it not standard they will not do it. | Jul 07 03:25 |
| sebsebseb | still a lot of sitse out their made with Frontpage though :( | Jul 07 03:25 |
| oiaohm | Reducing numbers. | Jul 07 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | if not standard they will not do it? | Jul 07 03:26 |
| oiaohm | Frontpage has a nasty bug. | Jul 07 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | a site I made in 2004/5 | Jul 07 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | hand coded | Jul 07 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | nice code | Jul 07 03:26 |
| oiaohm | More and more are done in sharepoint. | Jul 07 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | design was pretty rubbish really though | Jul 07 03:26 |
| oiaohm | Not Frontpage. | Jul 07 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | ,but the guy only wanted a basic site | Jul 07 03:26 |
| oiaohm | Frontpage has a habit to displaying you typos to customer. | Jul 07 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | and never complaiend, and I got paid and updated like once or twice after that, anyway towards the end of last year annoyingly | Jul 07 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | it got replaced with a Frontpage site with bad code, but a better design | Jul 07 03:27 |
| sebsebseb | and he had even emailed me, asking if I knew how to get into the webhost, but hadn't seen that untill like a month later, when it had already been replaced | Jul 07 03:27 |
| sebsebseb | well thats a joke, to have a hand coded site, that was nice and standards complaint, being replaced with a badly coded Frontpage sites | Jul 07 03:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I guess thats what will happen at times, when making for non technical people, who don't know about websites | Jul 07 03:28 |
| sebsebseb | if the design wasn't good enough | Jul 07 03:28 |
| oiaohm | You are seeing more and more sites done in drupal these days. | Jul 07 03:28 |
| oiaohm | Open source standard following stuff is becoming dominate sebsebseb | Jul 07 03:29 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: at first I was pretty annoyed, and thought about emailing the guy and even saying about web standards, but nah I didn't, gotton over it now though. was nice to see the website statistics at times. got to sort the stats out on another site I helped a woman make again really, so can see them :) change webhost first even I guess since where its currently hosted | Jul 07 03:29 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: yeah, but for basic sites, that someone has paid for, the person that wants the site, won't normally know about web standards | Jul 07 03:29 |
| sebsebseb | hence why I lost the one I made I suppouse | Jul 07 03:30 |
| oiaohm | They learn. | Jul 07 03:30 |
| oiaohm | When customers complain. | Jul 07 03:30 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: maybe I should email back and say about bad code or something, or not, I mean before I thought about emailng back saying about the bad code, and how I could make it standards complaint | Jul 07 03:30 |
| sebsebseb | customers don't know though | Jul 07 03:30 |
| sebsebseb | if the site works well in their browsers | Jul 07 03:30 |
| sebsebseb | and they don't know about code | Jul 07 03:30 |
| oiaohm | Sooner or latter it don't. | Jul 07 03:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie not on there phone or something. | Jul 07 03:31 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: email this guy or not? I guess not | Jul 07 03:31 |
| sebsebseb | however in a way, I hope it brakes soon, because of more standards complaint browsers :) | Jul 07 03:31 |
| oiaohm | You can but I normally look at the site and do a better more functional design. | Jul 07 03:31 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: thats something else, I could re design it for fun, send him screenshots, and see if he likes it | Jul 07 03:32 |
| oiaohm | Because that he went to someone else you failed. | Jul 07 03:32 |
| oiaohm | Question is how. | Jul 07 03:32 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I made that site when I was quite young really | Jul 07 03:32 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: and then it only got updated like the year after or something, since he wanted updated then | Jul 07 03:32 |
| oiaohm | So were not skilled at keeping good customer releations. | Jul 07 03:32 |
| sebsebseb | and so yeah it hadn't been updated for like four years, and he decides to get it re vamped | Jul 07 03:33 |
| oiaohm | Yep you screwed up. | Jul 07 03:33 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: some bloke of one of my Dads former companies | Jul 07 03:33 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: a customer | Jul 07 03:33 |
| sebsebseb | or well the guys company anyway | Jul 07 03:33 |
| oiaohm | No point complaining about poor quality work when it your fault they have poor quality work. | Jul 07 03:33 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: well I am more of a support person when it comes to computer, and when it comes to websites coder, well HTML/XHTML and CSS anyway | Jul 07 03:33 |
| oiaohm | Always better to have something better to show them. | Jul 07 03:34 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: he could have asked for a re design or whatever, but nope | Jul 07 03:34 |
| oiaohm | Should not have to ask. sebsebseb | Jul 07 03:34 |
| oiaohm | You should send offer. | Jul 07 03:34 |
| oiaohm | As I say you customer relationship skill is a little lacking. | Jul 07 03:34 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: well I was mainly working on another site at the time, that hasn't been online for like three years or something now, and that I have back up of some where on a CD I guess, and old computer hard disk, if still works, probably does | Jul 07 03:35 |
| oiaohm | With the firm I am with we run many websites. | Jul 07 03:35 |
| oiaohm | And I do mean many. | Jul 07 03:35 |
| oiaohm | We do send out 6 month reminders with new design ideas. | Jul 07 03:35 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: at one stage I wanted to be a profesional website creater, but never was much of a designer more of a coder, and then yeah making for IE and such uh | Jul 07 03:35 |
| oiaohm | Mostly so the customer knows we are still around todo the work. | Jul 07 03:36 |
| oiaohm | And if someone else tries to offer in they come to us first. | Jul 07 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh | Jul 07 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | sounds good | Jul 07 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: however you don't hand code any sites 100% hand code do you? | Jul 07 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | you know the time consuming way | Jul 07 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | use programs instead such as? | Jul 07 03:37 |
| oiaohm | We do have template engines. | Jul 07 03:37 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Jul 07 03:37 |
| oiaohm | Catch is some of those are our company only. | Jul 07 03:37 |
| sebsebseb | programs that make templates automatically? | Jul 07 03:38 |
| oiaohm | No take customers data produce website. | Jul 07 03:38 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Jul 07 03:38 |
| sebsebseb | an internal program for the company, made by the company? | Jul 07 03:38 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: or what? | Jul 07 03:39 |
| oiaohm | Internal programs made by us. | Jul 07 03:40 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Running on your beloved WIndows I guess :D | Jul 07 03:40 |
| oiaohm | They make doing complex sites with produces shoping carts and so on simple. | Jul 07 03:40 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Jul 07 03:40 |
| oiaohm | No windows in my shop other than for testing. | Jul 07 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Jul 07 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | so Linux then | Jul 07 03:41 |
| oiaohm | Linux FreeBSD solarias | Jul 07 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | why FreeBSD and Solaris as well? and which distro of LInux? | Jul 07 03:41 |
| oiaohm | and one minux for fun. | Jul 07 03:41 |
| oiaohm | It to do with where they choose to host. | Jul 07 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | In your shop, your own website creation business that you are boss of? | Jul 07 03:41 |
| oiaohm | My section sebsebseb | Jul 07 03:42 |
| sebsebseb | and you provide the servers as well? | Jul 07 03:42 |
| sebsebseb | the hosting? | Jul 07 03:42 |
| oiaohm | Normally not. | Jul 07 03:42 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Jul 07 03:42 |
| oiaohm | We don't have server farm of good enough grade. | Jul 07 03:42 |
| sebsebseb | anyway your sectin of what? the same company you do tech support for? | Jul 07 03:42 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: anyway yeah I will go away from computer really soon now | Jul 07 03:43 |
| oiaohm | I am data recovery, Network desigin and Solution planing. | Jul 07 03:43 |
| oiaohm | Ie I boss around coders. | Jul 07 03:43 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Jul 07 03:44 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Anyway chat more next time | Jul 07 03:46 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Bye | Jul 07 03:46 |
| sebsebseb | for now | Jul 07 03:47 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Push for Improving #MySQL Support at #Oracle http://ur1.ca/0kpvv http://ur1.ca/0kpvw http://ur1.ca/0kpvx http://ur1.ca/0kpvy | Jul 07 06:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Preview of Improvements for #OpenOffice .org 3.3 http://ur1.ca/0kpvz http://ur1.ca/0kpw0 http://ur1.ca/0kpw1 | Jul 07 06:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Examples of Open Science and Sharing as Mindset http://ur1.ca/0kqbs http://ur1.ca/0kqbt http://ur1.ca/0kqbu | Jul 07 06:42 | |
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| MinceR | i thought google's idea behind native code was that the plugin would scan the code before running it | Jul 07 06:47 |
| MinceR | or something | Jul 07 06:47 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reader’s Report and Leak: “Microsoft is Pulling an EDGI on Brazil.” http://ur1.ca/0krhc #edgi #antitrust #brazil #gnu #linux | Jul 07 07:22 | |
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| schestowitz | This one took a couple of days to put together and we have the leaked .DOC with the signatures and everything. | Jul 07 07:23 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] How to NOT do commercial Open Source: http://is.gd/dij8x via @harishpillay ACK 5800 US$ per processor is way over the top IMHO | Jul 07 07:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The US government thinks there is such a thing as "movie /pirates/" http://ur1.ca/0krtk is there also a "music murderer"? | Jul 07 07:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Load of BS ♺ @schestowitz: US government thinks there is such a thing as movie pirates http://ur1.ca/0krtk is there also a music murderer? | Jul 07 07:58 | |
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| schestowitz | 'if it was related to windows, you could say they're "giving brazil a WEDGI"' "-> We had a presentation on Edgi (aka Wedgi) at MGB" http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/px09685.pdf | Jul 07 07:58 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @schestowitz: Reader’s Report and Leak: Microsoft is Pulling an #EDGI on #Brazil. http://ur1.ca/0krhc #antitrust | Jul 07 08:08 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=openuniverse&inreplyto=40092846 "oh wow, they called it wedgi back in 2002!" | Jul 07 08:19 |
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| schestowitz | There's no courtesy in attacking one's competition while calling it a "wedgi" | Jul 07 08:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @jwildeboer New blog post: Switzerland - 0wn3d by Microsoft http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/07/switzerland-0wn3d-by-microsoft/ | Jul 07 08:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Reader’s Report and Leak: “Microsoft is Pulling an EDGI on Brazil.” - http://bit.ly/cwe2Aj bad stuff in Brazil #microsoft | Jul 07 08:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] So, Switzerland, you might be interested in this: 97% adoption of OS/FS in Malaysia: http://is.gd/dimwf via @harishpillay | Jul 07 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/217286 "i followed a frat that rigged an election for student president once- trust me, these are ALL frat boys and like-minds at work, thugs having it out for geeks" | Jul 07 08:35 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jwildeboer: So, Switzerland, you might be interested in this: 97% adoption of OS/FS in Malaysia: http://is.gd/dimwf via @harishpillay | Jul 07 08:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer So, Switzerland, you might be interested in this: 97% adoption of OS/FS in Malaysia: http://is.gd/dimwf via @harishpillay | Jul 07 08:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Terrorism policy flaws 'increased risk of attacks', says former police chief - http://bit.ly/9BpWP1 as everyone but Blair knew #terrorism | Jul 07 09:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Scientists Create the First Synthetic Cell" [video] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XXvUCr2S4g | Jul 07 09:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] W.A.Mozart: Complete Chronological Catalogue on Spotify - http://bit.ly/d8lJDN the best playlist ever? 1 week of non-stop #Mozart... | Jul 07 09:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Today,lots of Portuguese have been germans from an early tender age, I guess... | Jul 07 09:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Heat wave smothers climate skeptic jokes - http://bit.ly/a4PDjA good point about how it is harder to be on the side of rationality #climate | Jul 07 09:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] A Perspective on Openness - http://bit.ly/bk9YAG Microsoft's that is: "pleasantly surprised to see a new pragmatism emerge in this debate." | Jul 07 09:58 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] just installed firefox 4.0b1. Hope this marks an new era of stability and speed for the beloved browser! | Jul 07 10:18 | |
| MinceR | geekings | Jul 07 10:20 |
| MinceR | hypePhone 5 sneek peak >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23301604@N07/4764273405/sizes/l/ | Jul 07 10:21 |
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| oiaohm | http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/07/07/0125204/Avoiding-GM-Foods-Monsanto-Says-Youre-Overly-Fussy BBC strikes again. | Jul 07 10:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @jimmyschulz: Rechtssicher E-Mail löschen: Ausdrucken und shreddern. ;-) | ROTFL of the day :-) | Jul 07 10:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] "Ballmers verzerrte Wirklichkeitswahrnehmung wird immer schlimmer" - Jean Louis Gassée in http://is.gd/ditpU | Jul 07 10:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @pilhuhn: RT @littlewisehen: Bei Behindertenparkplätzen lege ich immer meinen FDP-Mitgliedsausweis ins Auto - Bislang keine Beanstandungen | Jul 07 10:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple is ‘Faking’ Signal Bar and #Microsoft Has Battery Issues http://ur1.ca/0kyya #patents #hypephone | Jul 07 10:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] New UK editions of my novels; London event w/China Mieville Jul 20 http://craphound.com/?p=3012 | Jul 07 10:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @god Moses was visionary. I mean, he was using tablets long before Apple thought of it, and his top ten lists pre-date Letterman by 2000 | Jul 07 11:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitgoo.com/178tjm Machine that runs Kde 4 with 512mbps RAM ..sorry last pic got deleted. | Jul 07 11:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft raids the penny jar of small business with piracy allegations? http://tinyurl.com/3456wjn #piracy #tpb #torrent #filesharing | Jul 07 11:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Reason for repost of previous article? Been getting some communication in regards to it. | Jul 07 11:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Exploring Entitlement Economics - http://bit.ly/bqs6at why should we be paid twice for our work? #opensource #economics #copyright | Jul 07 11:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] When Microsoft-Only/Lock-in is Defined as “Technology” http://techrights.org/2010/07/07/lingual-loophole-for-bad-tender/ | Jul 07 11:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] When Open Public Data Isn’t…? - http://bit.ly/cdkvnL excellent review of what's happening at the moment #opendata #ogov | Jul 07 11:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Mozilla And Software Patents In New Zealand - http://bit.ly/9l7Poa "every developer is an inventor" (via @normnz) #swpats #mozilla #nz | Jul 07 11:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right..need to get ready for work. I probably won't have a lot of time for responses today. I'll try my best on the HTC though. | Jul 07 11:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] UK Government Unveils School App - http://bit.ly/cl4CqX witty and hard hitting (via @opensourcerer @mberry) #iphone #education | Jul 07 11:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Waiting for the postman, UPS guy, whatever to make sure I can deliver some upswing. | Jul 07 11:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Public Sector Transparency Board - http://bit.ly/aBzOTl "to re-publish papers (unofficially) in a commentable way" (via @psychemedia) | Jul 07 11:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Microsofts new attack on LAMP - Will it work this time? Fighting Open Stacks is hard ... http://is.gd/diyEa | Jul 07 12:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is Attacking Shops That Spread Microsoft Software http://ur1.ca/0l21f #propaganda #nigeria #england | Jul 07 12:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Under 10,000 KIN Phones Sold by Microsoft in Almost Two Months http://ur1.ca/0l2f5 New York Times says so | Jul 07 12:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] OH at East London burrito stand: 'one fah-jee-er please.' Counterman didn't bat an eye, handed over fajita | Jul 07 12:26 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the hypePhone 5 has an eection | Jul 07 12:36 |
| schestowitz | *erection | Jul 07 12:36 |
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| oiaohm | I like the ones now saying tablets cannot replace PC's. | Jul 07 12:39 |
| oiaohm | Someone has not been looking at cisco system is upto. | Jul 07 12:40 |
| MinceR | there are tablet pcs | Jul 07 12:40 |
| MinceR | and who cares what fiasco systems is up to? | Jul 07 12:40 |
| oiaohm | There design is a good one. | Jul 07 12:40 |
| oiaohm | Complete network wide intergration | Jul 07 12:40 |
| MinceR | dumb terminals, take 25? | Jul 07 12:48 |
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| xeduardox | jesus, I didn't register my nick so now someone took it | Jul 07 12:56 |
| xeduardox | oh well | Jul 07 12:56 |
| xeduardox | I guess I'll just have dos equis | Jul 07 12:57 |
| xeduardox | :) | Jul 07 12:57 |
| MinceR | what's "dos equis"? | Jul 07 12:57 |
| xeduardox | 2 x's | Jul 07 12:57 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 07 12:57 |
| xeduardox | and it's a beer: http://dosequis.com/ | Jul 07 12:58 |
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| xeduardox | a little play on words ;) | Jul 07 12:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] How can a website cost £35m? Easily. - http://bit.ly/bwWV3G "because it can": another reason to kick out big consultancies (via @ruskin147) | Jul 07 12:59 | |
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| xeduardox | what happened yesterday with jono? | Jul 07 13:00 |
| xeduardox | I saw the logs last night | Jul 07 13:00 |
| xeduardox | kinda surprised | Jul 07 13:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Superfreakonomics; Superplug for Intellectual Ventures - http://bit.ly/aTLNgv more proof that Freakonomics is part of the problem #swpats | Jul 07 13:01 | |
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| MinceR | maybe he got initiated into the Cult of Mono | Jul 07 13:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Well blowout memo haunts Calgary energy firm http://bit.ly/aMQf2J | Jul 07 13:02 | |
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| xeduardox | that would suck | Jul 07 13:02 |
| xeduardox | catching up on RMS's blog | Jul 07 13:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Office 2010 is a Security Vulnerability http://ur1.ca/0l40e Two "critical" security vulnerabilities are found | Jul 07 13:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] A surprisingly bad gift to my brother and Tajikistan - http://bit.ly/ccbtfE extraordinary saga #tajikistan #dams | Jul 07 13:08 | |
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| xeduardox | http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/Spyfiles_2_0.pdf | Jul 07 13:09 |
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| xeduardox | RMS blogged about that earlier today | Jul 07 13:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] The NED v ESP finals will be interesting to watch, I hope ;-) #wclive | Jul 07 13:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] "Twenty million businesses and over a billion people use Microsoft cloud services" http://is.gd/diCGH | I guess that is Windows Update? ;-) | Jul 07 13:21 | |
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| MinceR | lol, indeed | Jul 07 13:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Is Gillard wavering on Aussie ‘filter’ plan? - http://bit.ly/cSVkCY let's hope #censorship #australia | Jul 07 13:24 | |
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| MinceR | you don't know where you get your latest "security" patch and what it contains, but you don't care! | Jul 07 13:24 |
| xeduardox | hehe | Jul 07 13:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Digital journalism: More work, more pressure but more opportunity - http://bit.ly/ckpzCd publishers still delusional about iPad #journalism | Jul 07 13:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] 3 Million European Orphan Works and Counting! - http://bit.ly/dzMAs8 3x10^6 reasons why copyright is nuts (via @StopActaNow @ILoveCopyright) | Jul 07 13:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] 'Forest Bathing' Considered Healthful - http://bit.ly/9XrpHg bit of a shame we're cutting them down, then #trees #health | Jul 07 13:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Jonathan D. G. Jones Promotes #Monopoly on Food, #BBC Gives Him a Platform http://ur1.ca/0l524 #gmo #monsanto #conflict #patents | Jul 07 13:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @afromusing: Its not information overload, it is filter failure - @cshirky on #digitalplanet http://bit.ly/c5qHpC | Jul 07 13:42 | |
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| Ziodotmatrix | M$acolypse maybe upon us alittle sooner then expected: http://tinyurl.com/2algbfh | Jul 07 13:45 |
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| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: I thought there was now an Italian charity that helped provide enriched, fertilized and cultivated soil? | Jul 07 13:49 |
| Ziodotmatrix | MinceR: China is helping build Angolan and DRC infastructure which is freaking out the IMF. | Jul 07 13:50 |
| Ziodotmatrix | http://tinyurl.com/23cxtc2 | Jul 07 13:51 |
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| Ziodotmatrix | but what does that have to do with software patents as well as MS. and Apple underhandedness? | Jul 07 13:52 |
| xeduardox | just be thankful they haven't resorted to overhandedness | Jul 07 13:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Just started reading the flattr terms at http://flattr.com/terms and I am not impressed. Some clauses are definitely unacceptable to me. | Jul 07 13:54 | |
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| xeduardox | their speed balls might not be so wimpy ;) | Jul 07 13:54 |
| xeduardox | uhhh | Jul 07 13:56 |
| xeduardox | ender2070 | Jul 07 13:56 |
| xeduardox | you there? | Jul 07 13:56 |
| xeduardox | I told you not to say something stupid and you went and did it and now lefty is using it against you | Jul 07 13:57 |
| xeduardox | bravo | Jul 07 13:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Undercover Lobbyists for Software Patents in Europe http://ur1.ca/0l5i6 #swpats #lobby | Jul 07 13:58 | |
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| xeduardox | and to top it off, you insulted Ubuntu when I'm trying to help you get a job there? | Jul 07 13:58 |
| xeduardox | are you _trying_ to sabotage your life? | Jul 07 13:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | xeduardox: ubuntu sucks. get me a job there. | Jul 07 13:59 |
| xeduardox | Diablo-D3: heh. you program? or what type of position? | Jul 07 13:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | I was thinking about displacing the entire upper management, to be honest. | Jul 07 14:00 |
| xeduardox | they probably wouldn't take too kindly to an application that said that - you might want to tone it down ;) | Jul 07 14:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'm just tired of Ubuntu shipping botched releases | Jul 07 14:01 |
| *Diablo-D3 is one of many people from outside of the Ubuntu community who has to deal with that fallout | Jul 07 14:01 | |
| xeduardox | http://identi.ca/conversation/39708980#notice-40065887 | Jul 07 14:02 |
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| xeduardox | I don't think anyone could convince jono to put in a good word for you now | Jul 07 14:03 |
| xeduardox | congratulations | Jul 07 14:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | xeduardox: heh. | Jul 07 14:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu has tried to hire me before | Jul 07 14:03 |
| xeduardox | they've tried to hire me as well | Jul 07 14:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | they were trying to push me through the motu route | Jul 07 14:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | I kindly told them that ubuntu will never be debian and they should give up already. | Jul 07 14:04 |
| xeduardox | sometimes I wish I had taken the job | Jul 07 14:04 |
| *MinceR supports Diablo-D3's plan of displacing the upper management of canonical | Jul 07 14:04 | |
| MinceR | besides, not sucking up to canonical isn't going to make them suck any less | Jul 07 14:05 |
| xeduardox | there's a lot more ... energy from the canonical employees than in the red hat employees I know | Jul 07 14:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | I know employees from both | Jul 07 14:06 |
| xeduardox | it's just anecdotal, I know | Jul 07 14:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Im not sure I'd work for redhat either | Jul 07 14:06 |
| Ziodotmatrix | xeduardox: yet Red Hat still has a larger marketshare | Jul 07 14:06 |
| xeduardox | do you get the same impression? | Jul 07 14:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, if they offered me a job, I'd take it | Jul 07 14:06 |
| xeduardox | ziod: yep | Jul 07 14:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres jobs at redhat that dont involve linux | Jul 07 14:07 |
| MinceR | it's a pity then that energy is used to support mono and m$ | Jul 07 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Remember redhat guys have been in the game a lot longer. | Jul 07 14:07 |
| xeduardox | mincer: definitely | Jul 07 14:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | they have a pretty big java enterprise thing | Jul 07 14:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @schestowitz: #Microsoft ’s Undercover Lobbyists for Software Patents in Europe http://ur1.ca/0l5i6 #swpats #lobby | Jul 07 14:07 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | due to them buying jboss | Jul 07 14:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd work for the jboss guys | Jul 07 14:07 |
| Ziodotmatrix | xeduardox: Red Hat has just enough bundled in and remains updated enough to just work. No Mono, tarballs or proprietary repos. | Jul 07 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the redhat guys where enengicy like ubuntu back in 1998 | Jul 07 14:07 |
| xeduardox | energetic? | Jul 07 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Time brings wisdom and care to actions. | Jul 07 14:07 |
| xeduardox | yea | Jul 07 14:07 |
| xeduardox | I know | Jul 07 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu guys still have to grow wisdom. | Jul 07 14:08 |
| xeduardox | back in 1999 my friends at red hat (no longer there) were very energetic. but about 3 years ago, they all left to form a new startup doing some sort of web development thing | Jul 07 14:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw | Jul 07 14:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive used debian as my primary desktop OS for a decade | Jul 07 14:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not a redhat user | Jul 07 14:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | nor will I ever be | Jul 07 14:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | but working for redhat on non-distro stuff wouldnt be a bad job | Jul 07 14:09 |
| oiaohm | I have always used a Mix of distributions. | Jul 07 14:09 |
| xeduardox | me too | Jul 07 14:09 |
| xeduardox | I'm mostly a slackware guy | Jul 07 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Another 5 years and I will be up to the 20 year mark. | Jul 07 14:09 |
| oiaohm | On Linux. | Jul 07 14:09 |
| oiaohm | I was on bsd before Linux. | Jul 07 14:10 |
| xeduardox | but I also appreciate distros like Ubuntu | Jul 07 14:10 |
| xeduardox | I used to run Red Hat a lot | Jul 07 14:10 |
| xeduardox | RH7.2 was the best distro I ever ran | Jul 07 14:10 |
| xeduardox | or was it 7.3? | Jul 07 14:11 |
| oiaohm | 7.2 and 7.3 were both ok. | Jul 07 14:11 |
| oiaohm | The worse Redhat releated I used was fedora core 5 | Jul 07 14:11 |
| oiaohm | That thing drove me up wall. | Jul 07 14:11 |
| xeduardox | I haven't used RH since RH9 | Jul 07 14:11 |
| xeduardox | never ran fedora | Jul 07 14:11 |
| xeduardox | after RH9 I went to debian for a bit | Jul 07 14:12 |
| xeduardox | then tried ubuntu (got lazy and left it on for years) | Jul 07 14:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @PoliceStateUK Ed Miliband: "in government we were too draconian on aspects of our civil liberties" http://bit.ly/9vNdKP >>bit late... | Jul 07 14:14 | |
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| MinceR | [...but we didn't give a fuck and still don't] | Jul 07 14:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] UK Hairdresser Fined For Playing Music Even Though He Tried To Be Legal - http://bit.ly/9wYEIs I defy anyone sane to defend this #copyright | Jul 07 14:15 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Microsoft plans small job cuts. http://cli.gs/tqD1r !techrights | Jul 07 14:28 | |
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| xeduardox | looks like the anti-foss trolls have gotten glyn moody to disapprove of your actions, ender2070 | Jul 07 14:33 |
| xeduardox | hope you are proud of yourself | Jul 07 14:33 |
| xeduardox | sigh | Jul 07 14:33 |
| xeduardox | well, I gotta get to a meeting with clients | Jul 07 14:35 |
| xeduardox | I'll try to be back on later | Jul 07 14:35 |
| xeduardox | bye | Jul 07 14:35 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Call to “Abolish Software Patents”, #FFmpeg Has No #Patent Danger, and Patent WatchTroll Looks Like “Pure Satire” http://ur1.ca/0l6ub | Jul 07 14:36 | |
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| MinceR | what was eduardo referring to? | Jul 07 14:38 |
| cubezzz | no idea | Jul 07 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | Jack Schofield still writes, just for a new publisher http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/jacks-blog-10017212/google-brings-good-tidings-to-adobe-flash-fans-10017896/ | Jul 07 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=131278 | Jul 07 15:18 |
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| MinceR | what trash fans need is not good tidings but a clue | Jul 07 15:18 |
| ender2070 | og hes here | Jul 07 15:30 |
| MinceR | who's Og? | Jul 07 15:31 |
| ender2070 | oh | Jul 07 15:32 |
| ender2070 | glyn moody already didn't like me | Jul 07 15:32 |
| ender2070 | the anti foss trolls have a complex attack against me | Jul 07 15:35 |
| ender2070 | I think all of ACCESS possibly | Jul 07 15:35 |
| MinceR | then you must have hurt lefty. good job :) | Jul 07 15:36 |
| ender2070 | i must have because i have all these people defaming me now | Jul 07 15:37 |
| ender2070 | Brian Randal is now spreading stuff about me | Jul 07 15:38 |
| MinceR | who's that? | Jul 07 15:39 |
| ender2070 | not sure im looking him up | Jul 07 15:40 |
| ender2070 | not ACCESS | Jul 07 15:43 |
| ender2070 | Blue Ravine | Jul 07 15:43 |
| MinceR | what's Blue Ravine? | Jul 07 15:44 |
| ender2070 | some california company | Jul 07 15:45 |
| ender2070 | so likely someone lefty knows | Jul 07 15:45 |
| ender2070 | i got a screenshot of the talk page | Jul 07 15:46 |
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| ender2070 | hi jono | Jul 07 15:50 |
| jono | hi ender2070 | Jul 07 15:51 |
| ender2070 | hows it going? | Jul 07 15:54 |
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| jono | ender2070, good thanks, you? | Jul 07 16:02 |
| ender2070 | im borderlining on some sort of mental illness | Jul 07 16:04 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jul 07 16:04 |
| ender2070 | im so extremely stressed right now its not even funny | Jul 07 16:05 |
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| Kuifje111 | boycott novel! ahoy! | Jul 07 16:09 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 07 16:11 |
| schestowitz | BTW, the bot BNtwitter gets no input | Jul 07 16:11 |
| schestowitz | I assume Twitter is messed up like yesterdat | Jul 07 16:11 |
| schestowitz | *day | Jul 07 16:11 |
| schestowitz | Let me restart it... | Jul 07 16:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @glynmoody Reader’s Report and Leak: “Microsoft is Pulling an EDGI on Brazil.” - http://bit.ly/cwe2Aj bad stuff in Brazil #microsoft | Jul 07 16:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @Kendall_Tristan Testing what I do believe is the next @PeppermintOS release. All the little things seem to be falling into place. | Jul 07 16:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenSUSE 11.3 #LXDE Rename/Rebranding Would Help http://ur1.ca/0l7nr on avoiding the #SUSE / OpenSUSE trademark | Jul 07 16:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This whole "Open Core" nonsense has just led me to unsubscribing from Google News on "open source" (after 5 years on it). #OSI has work 2 do | Jul 07 16:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] @schestowitz Live inside the dirty home if you want to change dirty home. just a suggestion.. | Jul 07 16:13 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Readers Report and Leak: “Microsoft is Pulling an EDGI on Brazil.” | Techrights .::. Size~: 84.63 KB | Jul 07 16:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Are the Creative Commons Licences Valid? - http://bit.ly/cMtdPX maybe we'll find out soon #creativecommons #licensing #gpl | Jul 07 16:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] For those who love HTC and Linux #htc http://htc-linux.org/ #linux | Jul 07 16:13 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: OpenSUSE 11.3 LXDE Rename/Rebranding Would Help | Techrights .::. Size~: 82.01 KB | Jul 07 16:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sorry about some dupes yesterday and today. Twitter (or identica) has lag issues | Jul 07 16:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Why the hell sometimes gmail says 'incorrect password' instead of providing correct password. Do you have same problems ? | Jul 07 16:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer it's an old (failing strategy) with a new name: WebMatrix | Jul 07 16:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @nsisodiya what do you mean? | Jul 07 16:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] #Wolverton's CULTURE CORNER: Horrible HOWTOs from MAD's gross-out king http://tinyurl.com/36mx3qx | Jul 07 16:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Neocon rag Weekly Standard, pens article "Open society and its enemies: WikiLeaks". This is not a joke. | Jul 07 16:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Charging Wikileaks Source: The Nail in the Coffin of Whistleblowers | GAP http://bit.ly/d9JyCt | Jul 07 16:14 | |
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| ender2070 | life sucks i hate it | Jul 07 16:15 |
| schestowitz | There are good things about it | Jul 07 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Just needs to avoid the bad ones | Jul 07 16:17 |
| schestowitz | I said it here many times before, it's best to avoid communicating with the bullies | Jul 07 16:18 |
| schestowitz | They are just trouble and they have nothing to lose, that's why they are trolls | Jul 07 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | Anyway, I'm off to catch up with something./ brb | Jul 07 16:18 |
| ender2070 | i know | Jul 07 16:18 |
| ender2070 | i should have listened but he keeps poking me | Jul 07 16:18 |
| ender2070 | proding me | Jul 07 16:18 |
| schestowitz | That's what they do | Jul 07 16:19 |
| ender2070 | i fell for all his traps | Jul 07 16:19 |
| schestowitz | It's less time consuming to ignore | Jul 07 16:19 |
| ender2070 | im just going to pretend he doesnt exist from now on | Jul 07 16:19 |
| schestowitz | http://wwhttp://www.collegehumor.com/video:1926079w.collegehumor.com/video:1926079 | Jul 07 16:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1926079 | Jul 07 16:19 |
| ender2070 | he cost me my way of life | Jul 07 16:19 |
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| ender2070 | that puts it pefectly | Jul 07 16:21 |
| schestowitz | twitter has killfiles | Jul 07 16:21 |
| schestowitz | "ignore" it's called | Jul 07 16:21 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe that was identica ("block") | Jul 07 16:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Mozilla Public License Alpha 1 released - http://bit.ly/cDIMMi more licensing excitement (via @stshank) #mozilla #licensing | Jul 07 16:22 | |
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| ender2070 | i wish blocking him prevented him from referencing me | Jul 07 16:23 |
| schestowitz | [13:45] <TechrightsBot> Title: TechFlash Mobile: Seattle's Technology News Source: Microsoft pruning more jobs .::. Size~: 5.21 KB | Jul 07 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Hardly news | Jul 07 16:23 |
| schestowitz | They just did it quietly | Jul 07 16:23 |
| Kuifje111 | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1907543 | Jul 07 16:24 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Gimp 2.7.1 in Foresight, single-window mode | TForsman's Linux Blog - UI looks good, can't wait http://tinyurl.com/2auvm7m | Jul 07 16:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer ♺ @afromusing: Its not information overload, it is filter failure - @cshirky on #digitalplanet http://bit.ly/c5qHpC | Jul 07 16:27 | |
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| ender2070 | lol | Jul 07 16:27 |
| ender2070 | those certainly cheered me up | Jul 07 16:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Direct Email to Schools – Why SchoolEmails.com are scum » name and shame them, and report them as a spam domain http://tinyurl.com/29se2gl | Jul 07 16:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] EDRI FAQ 2.0 on SWIFT Agreement - http://bit.ly/9SnlbG "There are no clear gains from this Agreement": what a disaster #swift #eu | Jul 07 16:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Quick Mention: More #Microsoft Layoffs http://ur1.ca/0l9qo Like the song goes, "this is the beginning of the end" | Jul 07 16:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Swiss Court approves purchase of proprietary licences without tender - http://bit.ly/cGkcoM insane - a terrible precedent #switzerland | Jul 07 16:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @schestowitz: Quick Mention: More #Microsoft Layoffs http://ur1.ca/0l9qo | Jul 07 16:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Bradley Manning: American Patriot | Antiwar http://bit.ly/d0Tvnr | Jul 07 16:53 | |
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| schestowitz | [14:03] <Diablo-D3> ubuntu has tried to hire me before | Jul 07 16:53 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, it's OK to criticise Ubuntu sometimes | Jul 07 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Blind acceptance is faith. You don't want that... | Jul 07 16:53 |
| *schestowitz pictures those corny films where drone-like employees nod at boss saying stupid things | Jul 07 16:54 | |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 07 16:54 |
| ender2070 | yeah thats true | Jul 07 16:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Plone Chosen as New Publishing Environment for MIT's OpenCourseWare (OCW) - http://bit.ly/9Y3NKE about time #ocw #plone | Jul 07 16:56 | |
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| schestowitz | Go ahead and dig Jono's LUG Radio archive... | Jul 07 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | To see that he too criticised things like Ubuntu when it was only conceived | Jul 07 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Anyone who is vocal is bound to criticise everything at one point or another | Jul 07 16:57 |
| jono | :) | Jul 07 16:57 |
| jono | criticism is fine | Jul 07 16:57 |
| jono | trolling is not | Jul 07 16:57 |
| schestowitz | jono: yeah | Jul 07 16:57 |
| schestowitz | who's trolling? | Jul 07 16:57 |
| jono | I never said anyone was | Jul 07 16:57 |
| jono | I am just clarifying what I think | Jul 07 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Intentional lies are bad | Jul 07 16:57 |
| jono | but I see ender2070 has been accused of such | Jul 07 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Like when people push an agenda they know is a lie | Jul 07 16:58 |
| jono | and frankly, I want to stay out of any fights between ender2070 and lefty | Jul 07 16:58 |
| cubezzz | me too! | Jul 07 16:58 |
| schestowitz | There are some scientists, for example, pretending to be creationists or against the fact of global warming | Jul 07 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Why? Cause they make a career from these lies that they know to be lies | Jul 07 16:58 |
| ThistleWeb | there should be a FOSS superhero called righty to deal with lefty | Jul 07 16:58 |
| jono | lefty is a good guy | Jul 07 16:58 |
| jono | he has good intentions | Jul 07 16:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Lack Of A 'Golden Ticket' Business Model Doesn't Mean You Give Up And Go Home - http://bit.ly/9xpb9K confirms my view of Kara Swisher | Jul 07 16:59 | |
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| jono | lefty's big problem is that he takes the bait from people who like to screw with him | Jul 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | jono: no, he threatened me for no reason | Jul 07 16:59 |
| jono | everyone needs to step have and chill | Jul 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | He tried to associate me with someone whom he threatened too | Jul 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | That's his modus operandi and he needs to work on it | Jul 07 16:59 |
| jono | schestowitz see my previous comment about not getting involved | Jul 07 16:59 |
| jono | :) | Jul 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | His dad is a lawyer | Jul 07 17:00 |
| schestowitz | it's like those people who attacked Rick Frenckel | Jul 07 17:00 |
| jono | honestly I don't want anything to do with it, no offence | Jul 07 17:00 |
| schestowitz | They were patent trolls | Jul 07 17:00 |
| cubezzz | yeah well we always get along right? | Jul 07 17:00 |
| schestowitz | He criticised them | Jul 07 17:00 |
| schestowitz | So they made him be fired from Cisco | Jul 07 17:00 |
| schestowitz | They sued him | Jul 07 17:00 |
| schestowitz | AND... | Jul 07 17:00 |
| schestowitz | They sued his employers | Jul 07 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Lawyers. | Jul 07 17:00 |
| cubezzz | FOSS is just one big happy family | Jul 07 17:00 |
| schestowitz | As I said, these people are arrogant and trigger happy | Jul 07 17:00 |
| schestowitz | "Wah!! Wah... he criticised me, I'll sue him!!!!!1 Wah!!" | Jul 07 17:01 |
| ThistleWeb | <cubezzz> FOSS is just one big happy family << as seen on the Jerry Springer show | Jul 07 17:01 |
| cubezzz | lol | Jul 07 17:01 |
| schestowitz | jono: I want nothing to do with it either. I never did. | Jul 07 17:01 |
| jono | biab | Jul 07 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | jono: not many epidosed recently | Jul 07 17:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: #Swiss Court approves purchase of proprietary licences without tender http://bit.ly/cGkcoM insane - a terrible precedent | Jul 07 17:02 | |
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| cubezzz | wow, now I'm bored. No fights | Jul 07 17:02 |
| cubezzz | j/k | Jul 07 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Shot of Jacqueline... I get withdrawal symptoms :-) | Jul 07 17:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] China’s green washout - http://bit.ly/9CP1k5 "Chinese firms are greening only their image" v. bad news #china #greening | Jul 07 17:05 | |
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| ender2070 | thats the whole point, its between me and lefty | Jul 07 17:10 |
| ender2070 | and im done with it | Jul 07 17:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @zack: @rms inaugurates the 1st 'free software street' ever (in Berga, #Spain ) http://is.gd/diR4r | that's geek-ish! #fsf #fsfe | Jul 07 17:10 | |
| ender2070 | he can say whatever he wants on his attack site | Jul 07 17:10 |
| ender2070 | im refusing to acknowledge his existence, hes a non-person in my mind | Jul 07 17:10 |
| ender2070 | after today i wont even respond to talk about him | Jul 07 17:11 |
| ender2070 | i was hoping jono wouldn't take sides | Jul 07 17:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @thistleweb Gimp 2.7.1 in Foresight, single-window mode | TForsman's Linux Blog - UI looks good, can't wait http://tinyurl.com/2auvm7m | Jul 07 17:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Disinformation campaign against WL is heating up. Demand full primary sources. Check bias. Riposte. | Jul 07 17:14 | |
| Agent-Smith | Hi Folks | Jul 07 17:14 |
| Agent-Smith | Is Mr. Schestowitz around ??? | Jul 07 17:14 |
| ender2070 | hey agent | Jul 07 17:14 |
| Agent-Smith | Hey Brandon | Jul 07 17:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Procure IT Fair - http://bit.ly/dfTGTf "campaign for sustainable purchasing of computers"; interesting (via @hook) | Jul 07 17:15 | |
| ender2070 | hes here | Jul 07 17:15 |
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| Agent-Smith | Hi There Mr. Schestowitz | Jul 07 17:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open source robotics – is Qbo the ultimate project? - http://bit.ly/aOYLGR er, unlikely #opensource #robotics | Jul 07 17:17 | |
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| Agent-Smith | Please, Answer Mr. Schestowitz | Jul 07 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jul 07 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | Didn't see you coming | Jul 07 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Let me catch up..... | Jul 07 17:17 |
| Agent-Smith | Hey, please | Jul 07 17:17 |
| Agent-Smith | Take do DOC out of the site | Jul 07 17:17 |
| Agent-Smith | My source can be harmed | Jul 07 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Ah.. | Jul 07 17:17 |
| schestowitz | OK | Jul 07 17:17 |
| Agent-Smith | She can be tracked and harmed | Jul 07 17:18 |
| Agent-Smith | I thought you would only see it | Jul 07 17:18 |
| Agent-Smith | And not expose it | Jul 07 17:18 |
| Agent-Smith | Could you see if that article had much traffic ??? | Jul 07 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Deleted | Jul 07 17:19 |
| schestowitz | It has, yes. Thousands | Jul 07 17:19 |
| Agent-Smith | Thank you very much | Jul 07 17:19 |
| Agent-Smith | I did not think you would post the attachment | Jul 07 17:19 |
| schestowitz | It's only hours old, it'll get much more later because many people link to it | Jul 07 17:19 |
| schestowitz | I wish you had said so | Jul 07 17:20 |
| schestowitz | The leak is sometimes the supporting material | Jul 07 17:20 |
| Agent-Smith | Ok, but that DOC was the link to my source | Jul 07 17:20 |
| Agent-Smith | I know, but I did not see it coming | Jul 07 17:20 |
| Agent-Smith | I'm sorry, but you know | Jul 07 17:20 |
| Agent-Smith | First time whistle blower | Jul 07 17:20 |
| Agent-Smith | A little clumsy in the actions | Jul 07 17:21 |
| Agent-Smith | Eheheheh... | Jul 07 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Sorry about that, it's gone now | Jul 07 17:21 |
| Agent-Smith | ;) | Jul 07 17:21 |
| Agent-Smith | The DOC ??? Perfect | Jul 07 17:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I Love both @ender2070 and @_Goblin. Let's be kind to each other, in the name of Free Software #fsf :-* | Jul 07 17:22 | |
| Agent-Smith | If you could only mention there was a document... | Jul 07 17:23 |
| Agent-Smith | And even wipe out references to it... | Jul 07 17:23 |
| Agent-Smith | I am very sorry. First time whistle blower is difficult... | Jul 07 17:24 |
| Agent-Smith | I did not think, but the person could be tracked by the DOC. | Jul 07 17:25 |
| Agent-Smith | Small state this one we live here. | Jul 07 17:25 |
| ThistleWeb | good thing ya spotted it quickly | Jul 07 17:25 |
| Agent-Smith | Yeah, timezone helps too | Jul 07 17:25 |
| schestowitz | . | Jul 07 17:25 |
| schestowitz | [17:23] <Agent-Smith> And even wipe out references to it... | Jul 07 17:25 |
| schestowitz | That's what I did | Jul 07 17:25 |
| schestowitz | I make it known that I had seen the proof | Jul 07 17:26 |
| Agent-Smith | Ok | Jul 07 17:26 |
| Agent-Smith | Thank you | Jul 07 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Just caught up with what you said | Jul 07 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Had to scroll up a lot | Jul 07 17:26 |
| Agent-Smith | As I was saying, timezone helps too | Jul 07 17:26 |
| ThistleWeb | is there gonna be a prob with you drawing attention to it in a logged irc? | Jul 07 17:26 |
| Agent-Smith | No | Jul 07 17:26 |
| schestowitz | When I start writing, I do it non-stop, today 10 posts in about 4-5 hours | Jul 07 17:26 |
| schestowitz | So I lost track of IRC | Jul 07 17:27 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: everyone needs a hobby ;) | Jul 07 17:27 |
| Agent-Smith | Hum Hum, | Jul 07 17:27 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: yeah, well... I will rely on casual employment too | Jul 07 17:27 |
| Agent-Smith | As I said, timezone helps a lot, since here it's just past 1:20 PM | Jul 07 17:27 |
| schestowitz | It's better if it's related to FOSS | Jul 07 17:27 |
| ThistleWeb | not a MS lobbyist then | Jul 07 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Best job is writing GPL-licensed software | Jul 07 17:28 |
| schestowitz | You write code you own | Jul 07 17:28 |
| schestowitz | And care about | Jul 07 17:28 |
| schestowitz | That's why the resultant code is better | Jul 07 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Imagine just logging on remotely to some fragments of code you cannot even copy locally to work on | Jul 07 17:28 |
| schestowitz | It's like stocking shelves in a supermarket | Jul 07 17:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Wonder what the price of four judges was... Swiss Court approves purchase of proprietary licences without tender - http://bit.ly/cGkcoM | Jul 07 17:29 | |
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| Agent-Smith | Well, In Behalf of my source, I am grateful Mr. Schestowitz | Jul 07 17:29 |
| Agent-Smith | And I thank you too, for exposing all these shaddy deals | Jul 07 17:29 |
| schestowitz | It spreads fast | Jul 07 17:30 |
| schestowitz | So far. | Jul 07 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for the invetigation | Jul 07 17:30 |
| schestowitz | What I wanted to know is, how does Microsoft play in BR education | Jul 07 17:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ruiseabra @glynmoody Quebec served opposite precedence in May. #RedHat should appeal in CH | Jul 07 17:31 | |
| schestowitz | They had some teachers forum there | Jul 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | After the decision to move schools to KDE | Jul 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | In 2008 I said in Digg (highly modded up) that the move to KDE will be derailed by Ballmer | Jul 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | I was right | Jul 07 17:31 |
| Agent-Smith | Count on me anytime. Next time I have hard evidences, I 'll let you know not to expose them... | Jul 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | /will/would/ | Jul 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Agent-Smith: Ballmer loses many of his minions today | Jul 07 17:32 |
| schestowitz | They announce layoffs | Jul 07 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Apple is probably out of BR, for now... | Jul 07 17:32 |
| schestowitz | IBM is there.. | Jul 07 17:32 |
| schestowitz | mainframe monopoly... | Jul 07 17:32 |
| Agent-Smith | Yup | Jul 07 17:32 |
| schestowitz | At least they promote FOSS and Linux | Jul 07 17:32 |
| MinceR | BR? | Jul 07 17:32 |
| schestowitz | .br | Jul 07 17:32 |
| MinceR | oh. | Jul 07 17:32 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, I'm out to lunch. | Jul 07 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Thanks a lot, agent | Jul 07 17:33 |
| Agent-Smith | Thanks for your quick response and actions | Jul 07 17:33 |
| Agent-Smith | And forgive me for my inexperience... | Jul 07 17:33 |
| schestowitz | I should be the one apologising | Jul 07 17:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Why are there so few cases challenging the GPL or the Creative Commons licenses? Because both are well-written http://bit.ly/cMtdPX | Jul 07 17:34 | |
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| schestowitz | Some months ago I got leaks from Ecuador | Jul 07 17:34 |
| schestowitz | But the leaker bailed out | Jul 07 17:34 |
| schestowitz | So I had to bury the story | Jul 07 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Too dangerous to his job | Jul 07 17:34 |
| Agent-Smith | You mean, he lost his job ??? Was fired ??? | Jul 07 17:34 |
| schestowitz | I still have the draft, lying there along with other important stories that needed to be spiked | Jul 07 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Agent-Smith: no | Jul 07 17:35 |
| schestowitz | He decided not to release the story | Jul 07 17:35 |
| Agent-Smith | Humm, not all bad, then | Jul 07 17:35 |
| schestowitz | But I know the story | Jul 07 17:35 |
| schestowitz | So I can apply the knowledge when I write about his country | Jul 07 17:35 |
| schestowitz | It's tricky giving out the details without trails left | Jul 07 17:36 |
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| sebsebseb | Jul 07 17:36 | |
| schestowitz | [16:53] [Notice] -BNtwitter to #boycottnovell- [wikileaks] Bradley Manning: American Patriot | Antiwar http://bit.ly/d0Tvnr | Jul 07 17:36 |
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| ender2070 | the only problem with that is people can refute it without sources | Jul 07 17:36 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: your keyboard is all whitespace | Jul 07 17:36 |
| MinceR | Jul 07 17:36 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | Jul 07 17:37 |
| schestowitz | ah! gotcha | Jul 07 17:37 |
| Agent-Smith | Well, I'm off now to lunch | Jul 07 17:37 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: maybe he has a Das Keyboard? | Jul 07 17:37 |
| Agent-Smith | Bye folks | Jul 07 17:37 |
| MinceR | with a layout that's appropriate for the printing? | Jul 07 17:37 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Das Keyboard a what? | Jul 07 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | is Das Keyboard still around? | Jul 07 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Not heard of it in years | Jul 07 17:37 |
| MinceR | http://www.daskeyboard.com/model-s-ultimate/ | Jul 07 17:37 |
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| MinceR | they exist | Jul 07 17:38 |
| MinceR | i got a Cherry though :> | Jul 07 17:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=keyboard%20leds&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi | Jul 07 17:38 |
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| MinceR | i have frontlighting with leds | Jul 07 17:39 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 07 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Carbn footprint | Jul 07 17:39 |
| MinceR | a USB LED light is fit above the keyboard tray | Jul 07 17:39 |
| MinceR | also, most ThinkPads come with the ThinkLight built in :> | Jul 07 17:40 |
| schestowitz | ThinkGeek | Jul 07 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Did IBM-Lenovo trademark "Think"? | Jul 07 17:40 |
| schestowitz | iThink not | Jul 07 17:40 |
| MinceR | i doubt it | Jul 07 17:40 |
| MinceR | it's just their slogan | Jul 07 17:40 |
| schestowitz | But they don't | Jul 07 17:40 |
| schestowitz | [think] | Jul 07 17:40 |
| schestowitz | They just patent | Jul 07 17:40 |
| MinceR | sometimes they do | Jul 07 17:40 |
| schestowitz | And then tell you to sod off | Jul 07 17:40 |
| MinceR | sometimes they sleep and let opportunities pass by | Jul 07 17:41 |
| MinceR | (see PC) | Jul 07 17:41 |
| schestowitz | They trusted the rich little spoiled kid | Jul 07 17:41 |
| schestowitz | He betrayed them | Jul 07 17:41 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 07 17:41 |
| schestowitz | They probably regret listening to the kid's rich mom | Jul 07 17:41 |
| MinceR | and they kept doing business with him | Jul 07 17:41 |
| schestowitz | It's her who got little billie the contract with ibm | Jul 07 17:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.rethink-wireless.com/2010/07/05/android-30-2ghz-phones-arrive-year.htm | Jul 07 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | Google has this kiddie thing | Jul 07 17:42 |
| schestowitz | The Android logo too | Jul 07 17:43 |
| schestowitz | And the colours of the logos | Jul 07 17:43 |
| schestowitz | They invite kids to doodle a Google | Jul 07 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Uncle Google is like that 50-y-o child molester. You need a babysitter to watch Web results, but you don't quit trust what he's doing when ya ain't lookin' | Jul 07 17:43 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 07 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Uncle Google: http://camerafraud.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/big_brother.jpg | Jul 07 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | Uncle Microsoft: http://coacheshotseat.com/coacheshotseatblog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/UncleFester.jpg | Jul 07 17:45 |
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| schestowitz | Difference is, you are told Uncle Google is safe | Jul 07 17:45 |
| schestowitz | And the latter is a convicted serial molester (in 3 continents) | Jul 07 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft press conference on today's layoffs: http://www.lkessler.com/addfester.jpg | Jul 07 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | Latest FUD from openlogic (Microsoft as CEO): http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/63286 | Jul 07 17:50 |
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| schestowitz | THanks, IDG. For reminding us............ | Jul 07 17:50 |
| schestowitz | FUD. | Jul 07 17:50 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20009674-1.html | Jul 07 17:50 |
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| ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=779 | Jul 07 17:52 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Im not being troll gasoline anymore « Pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 51.02 KB | Jul 07 17:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Report on the implementation of open content licenses in developing and transition countries - http://bit.ly/c6zyoH #opencontent #openaccess | Jul 07 17:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Huffington Post Is Afraid of Criticism From Their Own Writers - http://bit.ly/aM07sp shame on them #huffpo #newspapers | Jul 07 18:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks at http://TCIJ.ORG/ | Jul 07 18:06 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] I'm not being troll gasoline anymore - http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=779 | Jul 07 18:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] The NEW and BEST Computergame of ALL times!!!! #vuvuzelahero http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P40TP1ughek | Jul 07 18:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Buy it NOW! #vuvuzelahero is THE BIG THING! New Trailer! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTm29KwM9SM&NR=1 | Jul 07 18:13 | |
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| schestowitz | More IDG FUD: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/63339 | Jul 07 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | same source | Jul 07 18:16 |
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| sebsebseb | It seems Mandriva might go pay only! | Jul 07 18:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenLogic uses IDG as a vehicle to push its Free software #FUD and make business for itself http://ur1.ca/0lcvw http://ur1.ca/0lcvx #fsf | Jul 07 18:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dr. Dobb is also uses by OpenLogic to make companies scared of GPL http://ur1.ca/0lcwh OpenLogic's CEO is from Microsoft | Jul 07 18:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] In 30mins (11am PT/2pm ET/7pm UTC) I start my Community/Ubuntu Q+A vidcast - bring your questions! http://bit.ly/wWBiQ #ubuntu #community | Jul 07 18:35 | |
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| schestowitz | hm.. red hat gives a platform to fauxopensource: http://opensource.com/business/10/6/improving-product-quality-open-source-way | Jul 07 18:54 |
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| ender2070 | aren't they bashing pure closed source development? | Jul 07 18:59 |
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| ender2070 | why doesnt anyone link source code for firefox | Jul 07 19:02 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 07 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: uhmm? | Jul 07 19:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] About to start streaming my live video Q+A on community and Ubuntu - join us and bring your questions! http://bit.ly/wWBiQ #ubuntu | Jul 07 19:03 | |
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| ender2070 | i dont want pre-built non distro specific binaries | Jul 07 19:03 |
| ender2070 | i want to build it myself | Jul 07 19:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] OASIS DITA 1.2 goes out for 60-day public review : http://bit.ly/a5TkFt | Jul 07 19:06 | |
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| ender2070 | live | Jul 07 19:07 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] http://2tu.us/hce - Jono is currently LIVE | Jul 07 19:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon good shirt | Jul 07 19:11 | |
| cubezzz | firefox is just too big | Jul 07 19:16 |
| cubezzz | no one wants to compile it | Jul 07 19:16 |
| ender2070 | I do | Jul 07 19:17 |
| cubezzz | even old netscape was a monster | Jul 07 19:17 |
| cubezzz | I'm not even going to bother with it on old | Jul 07 19:17 |
| ender2070 | I want one built with fedoras versions of libraries | Jul 07 19:17 |
| ender2070 | and compiler | Jul 07 19:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] More DNA Samples Collected, More DNA Samples Untested? - http://bit.ly/8ZL2Pq less is more: you want the right samples, not more of them | Jul 07 19:28 | |
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| cubezzz | I compile links and lynx | Jul 07 19:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2010/6/30/red-hat-launches-cloud-foundations/ | Jul 07 19:36 |
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| cubezzz | that doesn't take long | Jul 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: try OOo on Gentoo :-) | Jul 07 19:36 |
| cubezzz | yeah I'll compile on my good ol' 486 here | Jul 07 19:37 |
| cubezzz | there's a reason why I try to use smaller programs | Jul 07 19:38 |
| ender2070 | i would like to try firefox 4 | Jul 07 19:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] ScienceBlogs, we have a problem - http://bit.ly/cYtrse now, imagine trad journos complaining about advertorials (via @phylogenomics) #blogs | Jul 07 19:39 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.odt.co.nz/entertainment/arts/114059/exhibition-blends-two-worlds "Sue Novell and Catherine Cocker. " | Jul 07 19:40 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like a Microsoft memo | Jul 07 19:40 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, now I'm checking out a type of internet we've never considered before | Jul 07 19:40 |
| cubezzz | Internet access via HAM radio | Jul 07 19:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] That was the same guy that jumped on stage when ESP performed at #ESC IMHO; -) @greve ACK? #wclive | Jul 07 19:41 | |
| schestowitz | oh noes, world cup noise | Jul 07 19:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody so ScienceBlogs is a one-time IDG | Jul 07 19:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz I think this is more a one-off miscalculation - they're still exploring business models, and this isn't one... | Jul 07 19:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody did you see the 3 new OpenLogic examples I gave earlier? HuffPo too is a kind of "room for rent" (for self promotion) | Jul 07 19:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz no, I missed those.... | Jul 07 19:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody I wrote about 4 posts about how Arianna herself was giving room for Microsoft lobbyists incluiding Gates (whom she dined with) | Jul 07 19:50 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I dunno | Jul 07 19:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | if bill gates invited me to dinner | Jul 07 19:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd go | Jul 07 19:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Time Magazine Dons An Online Condom - http://bit.ly/cr8jPS great headline; not so sure about the metaphor #time #condoms | Jul 07 19:51 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | an online condom? | Jul 07 19:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | shit, I can catch shit from cybersex now? | Jul 07 19:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz ah yes, you had a pic of them, no? | Jul 07 19:52 | |
| ender2070 | computer viruses? | Jul 07 19:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, dick viruses | Jul 07 19:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | although this might not be so bad | Jul 07 19:54 |
| ender2070 | I used to clean spyware/virii off of pc's because customers browsed porn in IE | Jul 07 19:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | it could wipe out the entire furry community | Jul 07 19:54 |
| ender2070 | ROFL | Jul 07 19:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Threat of Cyberwar Has Been Grossly Exaggerated - http://bit.ly/bNa0E8 more calm, sensible words from Uncle Brucie #security | Jul 07 20:02 | |
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| MinceR | wow, Time are idiots | Jul 07 20:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACT lobbying for software patents validation through the Community Patent and a central patent court in Europe: http://ur1.ca/0le18 | Jul 07 20:13 | |
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| ender2070 | later guys | Jul 07 20:18 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: The Threat of Cyberwar Has Been Grossly Exaggerated http://bit.ly/bNa0E8 more calm, sensible words from Uncle Brucie #security | Jul 07 20:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @alexm: reading fellowship interview with David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://ur1.ca/0ldzn #fsfe #openmoko #qihardware | Jul 07 20:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft’s Undercover Lobbyists for Software Patents in Europe http://ur1.ca/0l5i6 | Jul 07 20:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody others at the table had them | Jul 07 20:25 | |
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| seller_liar | Michael Meeks attacks oo | Jul 07 20:26 |
| seller_liar | http://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2010-07-06-ooo-gstreamer.html | Jul 07 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: they are | Jul 07 20:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Time also gave a platform for the husband of Gates Foundation's CEO | Jul 07 20:27 |
| schestowitz | It's just a place for rent | Jul 07 20:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody it relates to the comic jargon "Link Condom" I think; anyway, more paywalls to them is more traffic to you | Jul 07 20:27 | |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: he wants OOo for Novell | Jul 07 20:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin set up an identi.ca account too, please | Jul 07 20:32 | |
| seller_liar | yes , but I dont know how to counterattack | Jul 07 20:32 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Gosh! i am gonna be late for office #esp #beauty | Jul 07 20:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] IMMI support resolution passed this afternoon by EU Parliament; details tomorrow at http://bit.ly/cy0RX8 http://immi.is/ | Jul 07 20:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] finally some decent football at #wclive. Its about time ESP and GER. | Jul 07 21:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] shame on spain. The ball really must be put in the goal to count. #wclive | Jul 07 21:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] somehow it seems NED - ESP is close. As I said. #wclive. Better hide from @fabsh if that happens, I guess. | Jul 07 21:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] someone better take care of @fabsh; -) | Jul 07 21:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] my dear FB friends, I feel you owe me an explanation. Hallenhalma? Wrestling? :-P | Jul 07 21:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @heeed The psychic octopus strikes once more! #wc2010 | Jul 07 21:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] [NL] Gossamme, wat ben ik blij als dat idiote WK voorbij is. Wat 'n hysterie, wie boeit dat nou? :-( | Jul 07 21:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Looking forward to NED -ESP on sunday. The squid will hopefully tell us more. | Jul 07 21:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I already have a while ago....you've been following it for months | Jul 07 21:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Scientists Created DNA [video] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guJMmuczXAU enge | Jul 07 22:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin oh, that's rght. @satipera was trying to find you there | Jul 07 22:16 | |
| MinceR | "Fox News: it isn’t news, and it’s not about foxes." | Jul 07 22:20 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Why does the BBC keep losing talent? - "losing" implies it had something to lose http://tinyurl.com/32c76bj | Jul 07 22:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ZOMG! Lesbian Vampire Killers is a riot! :) | Jul 07 23:06 | |
| tessier | http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2010/07/kin-fusing-kin-clusion-to-kin-and-fy11.html | Jul 07 23:07 |
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| cubezzz | this old gcc seems to staticly link everything | Jul 07 23:16 |
| tessier | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/07/06/2140253/Microsoft-Out-of-Favor-With-Young-Hip-Developers?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Reader | Jul 07 23:17 |
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| cubezzz | yeah even old hip developers | Jul 07 23:19 |
| cubezzz | even very old | Jul 07 23:19 |
| cubezzz | old gcc keeps making these large executables | Jul 07 23:22 |
| MinceR | Microsoft Out of Favor With Those Who Have a Clue, News at 11 | Jul 07 23:22 |
| tessier | That is not a very effective way of advocating anything non-MS though. | Jul 07 23:24 |
| tessier | You have now insulted the people who you need to convert. They won't listen to you anymore | Jul 07 23:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Maybe Ive got time to manage a few tweets before bed...got an early start tomorrow. | Jul 07 23:24 | |
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| MinceR | they never listened to me in the first place | Jul 07 23:24 |
| MinceR | they never even cared | Jul 07 23:24 |
| cubezzz | yeah but we had unix for a long time | Jul 07 23:24 |
| MinceR | but once m$ screws them, they will eventually learn. | Jul 07 23:24 |
| MinceR | i've seen many people learn that way | Jul 07 23:25 |
| cubezzz | no, they are not adaptable, a different problem | Jul 07 23:25 |
| cubezzz | no unix exposure | Jul 07 23:25 |
| cubezzz | they lived mainly in the dark ages of computing | Jul 07 23:26 |
| MinceR | not even considering an OS because "waah games don't run on it" (which isn't even true) is not just not being adaptable | Jul 07 23:26 |
| cubezzz | on Amiga the devs just bypassed the OS anyway | Jul 07 23:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Starting a new resolution - Making sure I post to both identi.ca and twitter! | Jul 07 23:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] For those that want my identi.ca account: http://identi.ca/openbytes | Jul 07 23:27 | |
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| cubezzz | similar to MS DOS | Jul 07 23:27 |
| MinceR | that's how you get apps that don't play nice with multitasking, access controls, etc. | Jul 07 23:28 |
| cubezzz | the game is the task MinceR | Jul 07 23:28 |
| cubezzz | the only one in some cases | Jul 07 23:28 |
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| MinceR | not always | Jul 07 23:30 |
| MinceR | and if the OS is properly designed, it won't be | Jul 07 23:30 |
| cubezzz | chess and solitaire of course you can switch windows | Jul 07 23:30 |
| cubezzz | rts games, it's usually full screen | Jul 07 23:31 |
| MinceR | full screen doesn't mean nothing else is running | Jul 07 23:31 |
| cubezzz | true | Jul 07 23:31 |
| MinceR | also, if your game can bypass access control, so can malware | Jul 07 23:31 |
| cubezzz | you did see my point about Amiga though? | Jul 07 23:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Here we go...a post for Twitter and Identi.ca | Jul 07 23:32 | |
| cubezzz | the programmers bypass the OS entirely to get more performance | Jul 07 23:32 |
| cubezzz | not has important nowadays though | Jul 07 23:32 |
| MinceR | it's a bad idea that's thankfully extinct now | Jul 07 23:32 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, have you ever run init 1? | Jul 07 23:33 |
| cubezzz | I do when I number crunch | Jul 07 23:33 |
| MinceR | nope | Jul 07 23:33 |
| MinceR | i do keep the possibility in mind, but i never really needed it | Jul 07 23:33 |
| cubezzz | well, the program runs faster :) | Jul 07 23:33 |
| cubezzz | that will always be the case | Jul 07 23:34 |
| cubezzz | I have multiple machines, no biggie to run one as init 1 | Jul 07 23:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Got some great feedback from companies accused by Microsoft of piracy/copyright infringement...it will make a good followup. | Jul 07 23:35 | |
| cubezzz | don't think you can on doze | Jul 07 23:35 |
| MinceR | i have 3 pcs in front of me now, one is turned off and one is in suspend mode :> | Jul 07 23:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @thistleweb BBC News - Why does the #BBC keep losing talent? - "losing" implies it had something to lose http://tinyurl.com/32c76bj | Jul 07 23:36 | |
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| MinceR | well, in doze things are melted together into one monolithic mess much of which runs in kernel mode | Jul 07 23:36 |
| MinceR | so you don't get multitasking without GUI, afaik | Jul 07 23:36 |
| MinceR | (unlike OS/2, for example) | Jul 07 23:36 |
| schestowitz | [23:24] <tessier> That is not a very effective way of advocating anything non-MS though. | Jul 07 23:36 |
| cubezzz | of course, the Linux/Unix way is better | Jul 07 23:36 |
| cubezzz | it just takes some people a long time to realize it | Jul 07 23:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I was going to say...what passed for talent to be lost on the #bbc (with the exception of Doctor Who actors/actresses | Jul 07 23:37 | |
| schestowitz | There are people who abandon Microsoft/Windows and move to PHP/Java and those who try to bring Microsoft with them, e.g. Mono/MindTouch | Jul 07 23:37 |
| MinceR | i didn't expect you to admit that unixes are better than amigaos :> | Jul 07 23:37 |
| cubezzz | well... | Jul 07 23:37 |
| cubezzz | I gave AROS a chance | Jul 07 23:37 |
| schestowitz | What we need to do, IMHO, is to promote them to embrace standard stuff | Jul 07 23:37 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: but how? | Jul 07 23:38 |
| schestowitz | It's possible | Jul 07 23:38 |
| MinceR | the most pragmatic reason is that it won't require winblows -- they don't care | Jul 07 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Some do this, some don't | Jul 07 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Take Keith Curtis for example | Jul 07 23:38 |
| schestowitz | He left Microsoft | Jul 07 23:38 |
| MinceR | another important reason is that they won't be vassals of m$ -- they don't care | Jul 07 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Advocates some FOSS, then pitched Mono | Jul 07 23:38 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, the big prob I had with AROS was drivers | Jul 07 23:38 |
| schestowitz | He sent me some upset E-mails I didn't reply to | Jul 07 23:39 |
| cubezzz | I like to try different OSes | Jul 07 23:39 |
| MinceR | so do i | Jul 07 23:39 |
| MinceR | when i have time | Jul 07 23:39 |
| MinceR | which is very rare :> | Jul 07 23:39 |
| MinceR | also, i prefer to read up on those other oses before considering to try them | Jul 07 23:40 |
| cubezzz | is that what you did with Linux? :) | Jul 07 23:40 |
| MinceR | yes | Jul 07 23:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin there is an option in identica for sending all input to twitter too. This way you only need to post in identica. | Jul 07 23:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin I like many parts of the BBC, some are weaker | Jul 07 23:41 | |
| cubezzz | so what OS did you use first? | Jul 07 23:41 |
| MinceR | m$-dos 6.20 | Jul 07 23:42 |
| schestowitz | [me: IBM/compatible DOS] | Jul 07 23:42 |
| cubezzz | ah I see | Jul 07 23:42 |
| MinceR | unless the basic interpreter of the zx spectrum counts | Jul 07 23:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: 6 is late | Jul 07 23:42 |
| schestowitz | 6 would be when we were like 12/13 | Jul 07 23:42 |
| MinceR | or if computers i don't own count, i think i used atari tos before m$-dos | Jul 07 23:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz yeah ive done that....habit had me post the last in Twitter......I'll try to remember! | Jul 07 23:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] My location is a little wrong (infact its about 8 miles wrong) | Jul 07 23:44 | |
| schestowitz | tessier: according to this article, Microsoft sold in two months less than Google (Android) sells in 2 HOURS!!!!!! | Jul 07 23:44 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: well, my first PC had it | Jul 07 23:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin I was in identica first; only much later I added a Twitter account | Jul 07 23:46 | |
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| cubezzz | "in 1987, Microsoft began an advertising campaign announcing that "DOS is Dead" and stating that version 4 was the last full release." | Jul 07 23:47 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 07 23:48 |
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| MinceR | if only it was | Jul 07 23:48 |
| cubezzz | of course they had to try to kill DRI's DOS | Jul 07 23:48 |
| cubezzz | hence 5.0 and 6.0 | Jul 07 23:48 |
| cubezzz | "The pact between Microsoft and IBM to promote OS/2 began to fall apart in 1990 when Windows 3.0 became a marketplace success." | Jul 07 23:49 |
| cubezzz | personally I hated windows 3.0 | Jul 07 23:49 |
| cubezzz | and 2.0 | Jul 07 23:49 |
| cubezzz | very slow | Jul 07 23:50 |
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| *DaemonFC is playing around with Visual Studio 2010 | Jul 07 23:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] For a trip down memory lane (for Amiga users) heres the official site Red Sector: http://www.trsi.de/cgi-bin/home/engine.pl?function=index | Jul 07 23:51 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: ::: TRSi.DE - TRiSTAR & RED SECTOR iNC. SiNCE 1990 - AMiGA, PC, CONSOLES ::: .::. Size~: 3.05 KB | Jul 07 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | I managed to compile a 64-bit AoTuv Vorbis encoder | Jul 07 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 07 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | it chokes on Chromium still :P | Jul 07 23:52 |
| cubezzz | knowing what I know _now_, I wish I had stayed with Linux all the way back to 1994 | Jul 07 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, What's funny about GCC is that it can fail in all kinds of perverted ways and nobody listens to your screams | Jul 07 23:54 |
| cubezzz | you want to compile old stuff you need old gcc | Jul 07 23:54 |
| cubezzz | and old libs | Jul 07 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | that makes no sense | Jul 07 23:54 |
| cubezzz | as long as you are willing to do that and you have source it's no big deal | Jul 07 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | why can old MSVC project files still mostly work? | Jul 07 23:55 |
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| cubezzz | well I'm talking about big stuff | Jul 07 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | double click on a project file, it spits out a binary, hooray | Jul 07 23:56 |
| cubezzz | small stuff you write yourself is another story | Jul 07 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | with gcc it can choke and spit out an error that you won't understand | Jul 07 23:56 |
| MinceR | personally i hated all versions of windows | Jul 07 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes it's even something so stupid that commenting out a line or two makes it run | Jul 07 23:56 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, you just don't get it | Jul 07 23:56 |
| MinceR | usually because they were always incredibly slow, bug-ridden and unstable | Jul 07 23:56 |
| cubezzz | do you realize how important gcc is? | Jul 07 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | Visual Studio works around that stuff normally without making a pest out of itself | Jul 07 23:57 |
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| MinceR | 005102 < DaemonFC> why can old MSVC project files still mostly work? | Jul 07 23:57 |
| MinceR | "mostly" isn't going to compile your old applications | Jul 07 23:57 |
| MinceR | it's going to crash and burn | Jul 07 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Visual Studio 2010 can still compile pre-alpha builds of Firefox :P | Jul 07 23:57 |
| MinceR | wow, the prime example of an ancient application | Jul 07 23:58 |
| MinceR | oh, wait | Jul 07 23:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Pirate Bay and MegaUpload Escape Domain Seizure by US http://bit.ly/bmSNm9 | Jul 07 23:58 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Pirate Bay and MegaUpload Escape Domain Seizure by US | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 57.23 KB | Jul 07 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | without pestering the user with trivial things they don't need to care about | Jul 07 23:58 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, sometimes I wonder why you're here | Jul 07 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | You're lucky if you can make GCC 4.5 work with something that finished fine with GCC 4.4 | Jul 07 23:58 |
| cubezzz | well written C programs written for X from 1984 still work on modern gcc | Jul 07 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | or what's better is when it successfully finishes then you fire up the binary and it's been corrupted by GCC | Jul 07 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | and GCC didn't even realize it | Jul 07 23:59 |
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