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| schestowitz | they don't live like you di | Dec 15 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | They don't judge life this way | Dec 15 00:00 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: You need to do drugs, so that people seem more tolerable. | Dec 15 00:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | an island where thes no fox news, no cnn, no bush, no republicans, no starving africans, no war in the streets in every major american city | Dec 15 00:00 |
| schestowitz | many grew up super rich | Dec 15 00:00 |
| schestowitz | and never had to be bossed around | Dec 15 00:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | and MAYBE MAYBE a few hot women | Dec 15 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | most people who claim the EITC and turn out to have used it improperly only end up owing the IRS between $50 and $200 | Dec 15 00:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | maybe just two | Dec 15 00:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] I make my living in the computer world mostly and try to work with Free Software and GPL my own stuff. | Dec 15 00:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] I will be experimenting with making money from music as someone I recently began co-writing with wants to make his living in that area. | Dec 15 00:00 | |
| XFaCE | lol | Dec 15 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | and the IRS spends thousands auditing each one | Dec 15 00:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | and one of them has to know how to cook | Dec 15 00:00 |
| schestowitz | to them it's a status game among the other rich kids | Dec 15 00:00 |
| schestowitz | a bit like in American Psycho | Dec 15 00:00 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Come to Canada | Dec 15 00:00 |
| XFaCE | Avoid the IRC | Dec 15 00:00 |
| XFaCE | IRS | Dec 15 00:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: btw, do you know why I wish all rich people were like warren buffet? | Dec 15 00:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | look how he treated his kids | Dec 15 00:01 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: That's fair | Dec 15 00:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | they didnt even know he was rich until they were older | Dec 15 00:01 |
| schestowitz | you know notrhing of it | Dec 15 00:01 |
| schestowitz | you read his PR | Dec 15 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | the US government spends $1,000 to find out where $10 you owed them went | Dec 15 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | and lets rich tax evaders go free | Dec 15 00:01 |
| schestowitz | so don't tell me you know how he raised his kids | Dec 15 00:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | so what, you say his kids are in on the PR now too? | Dec 15 00:01 |
| schestowitz | They all make up appearances | Dec 15 00:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude | Dec 15 00:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | I know people who are POOR who spoil their kids | Dec 15 00:01 |
| schestowitz | and unless you grew up with him, you know as much as I know about him, maybe worse cause all of the PR | Dec 15 00:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | they get them anything they want, and the kids never turn into _people_ | Dec 15 00:02 |
| schestowitz | These people BUY their bio | Dec 15 00:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can see through any and all bullshit, Roy | Dec 15 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | I think we should do what China does with kids and taxes | Dec 15 00:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | if his now grown up kids were in on the PR, I would see it | Dec 15 00:02 |
| schestowitz | and they hammer is down over time with their agents | Dec 15 00:02 |
| schestowitz | to shape their image on some pedestalk | Dec 15 00:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | but they seem mostly honest | Dec 15 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | instead of every kid you pop out getting you more welfare, it gets you a forced sterilization and a tax hike | Dec 15 00:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: but thats the thing | Dec 15 00:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | those tricks never work on me | Dec 15 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | that would put an end to this career baby making | Dec 15 00:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | fox news can keep telling the big lies over and over | Dec 15 00:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | and all I see is big lies | Dec 15 00:02 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Fox News is pure resin, and having the same style of shit cross the border sickens me | Dec 15 00:03 |
| schestowitz | gn | Dec 15 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | if you're having kids you can't afford, the government should at some point at least make you agree to sterilization to qualify for welfare | Dec 15 00:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] Plus: http://ur1.ca/6p4gm One song with the new co-writer: http://ur1.ca/6p4gn | Dec 15 00:03 | |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: What sickens me even more was when Fox News North was taken off the satellite network, there were people who actually petitioned to put it back on | Dec 15 00:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Income - Packet-in-wiki .::. Size~: 35.85 KB | Dec 15 00:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Low Voltage Blues TDMix music collaboration project - Kompoz.com .::. Size~: 38.55 KB | Dec 15 00:03 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: I guess even country have these sort of people in it, just hibernating, just waiting for biased crap news to feed their warp vision | Dec 15 00:04 |
| *DaemonFC is listening to Driven Under by Saron Gas on Fragile [Amarok] | Dec 15 00:04 | |
| DaemonFC | Fox Noise | Dec 15 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | The spin zone | Dec 15 00:04 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: With a spinning logo | Dec 15 00:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] It would help a lot if those links on the income page were more friendly to the Free possibilities. | Dec 15 00:05 | |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: What time is it there? | Dec 15 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | once you cut through the hyperbole and shouting ideologues on any of the major news channels, there's very little actual news | Dec 15 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | so I don't bother watching news channels | Dec 15 00:06 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: I assume you are restricting your criteria to US News | Dec 15 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | I sometimes watch Current TV | Dec 15 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | they seem to be less biased than CNN, Fox, and MSNBC | Dec 15 00:07 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Olbermann and the Young Turks | Dec 15 00:07 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Want to here something funny about Canadian news? | Dec 15 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen some ridiculous far left agenda on Current TV | Dec 15 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | but a lot of their programming is stuff I think makes sense | Dec 15 00:07 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: So in the US, far left is probably moderate in Canada? :) | Dec 15 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | Fox News is all right wing shouting with no citation | Dec 15 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's the most horrible "news" channel there is on TV | Dec 15 00:08 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: No duh | Dec 15 00:08 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Thanks for that revolutionary insight | Dec 15 00:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] It might have been laurelrusswurm, I am not sure where I first picked it up. I did not object, someone else had the issue. | Dec 15 00:08 | |
| DaemonFC | some people like to watch it | Dec 15 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | mostly old people who think terrorists and gays are working together to burn down their churches | Dec 15 00:09 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: And those people know less than the people who don't watch any news at all | Dec 15 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | lax gun ownership laws and far right wing religious extremism have led to a lot of terrorism | Dec 15 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | being gay has never led to terrorism in any way that I know of | Dec 15 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | unless you count God blowing up cities | Dec 15 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | but he loves you | Dec 15 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not for banning guns, but having states with laws that allow convicted violent felons to buy as many of them as they want at gun shows, in cash, with no background check is a bit much | Dec 15 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | Georgia does that | Dec 15 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's how so many untraceable guns end up on the streets in states with more sensible gun laws | Dec 15 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana has a much more reasonable system | Dec 15 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | you go in and get a local, state, and federal background check before you can get a permit | Dec 15 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | felonies bar you for life and revoke any current permits | Dec 15 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | and stores must check that you have a valid permit | Dec 15 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | and keep sales records | Dec 15 00:15 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: In canada, the Harpshit is trying to kill the long gun registry | Dec 15 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | but when criminals can drive to Kentucky and get them in cash with no background check, it undermines our laws | Dec 15 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | then you have the extreme far leftist states and cities that try to ban them outright in violation of the second amendment | Dec 15 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | and spend lots of tax money fighting constitutional challenges that ultimately strike down that law | Dec 15 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | we need a national system based on Indiana's gun control laws | Dec 15 00:17 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Your second amendment is silly | Dec 15 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | no, it's not | Dec 15 00:18 |
| XFaCE | Well, from our perspective it is | Dec 15 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | when you consider where it comes from, it really isn't | Dec 15 00:19 |
| XFaCE | Then again, our constituion was last updated in 1982, so we aren't bound by history | Dec 15 00:19 |
| XFaCE | Our bill of rights contains nothing of the sort | Dec 15 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | well, first of all, governments can't grant you rights | Dec 15 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | because there's nothing stopping them from taking them away later | Dec 15 00:20 |
| XFaCE | True | Dec 15 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | the notion that rights are granted by law is silly | Dec 15 00:20 |
| XFaCE | In canada, our rights are more akin to privleges | Dec 15 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | the "Bill of Rights" idea, is a set of negative rights | Dec 15 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | they tell the government what it can't do to you | Dec 15 00:20 |
| XFaCE | for example, the "right to remain silent" during arrest doesn't exist | Dec 15 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | they don't directly (at least not in the US constitution) grant citizens rights | Dec 15 00:21 |
| XFaCE | And there is no "lawyering up"; the police can still ask you questions | Dec 15 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | there is a right to remain silent | Dec 15 00:21 |
| XFaCE | Not in Canada perse | Dec 15 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | it's an implied right of the fifth amendment | Dec 15 00:21 |
| XFaCE | We are different | Dec 15 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | well, here anyway | Dec 15 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | the Indiana constitution is slightly stronger than the federal one | Dec 15 00:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] More on the OPEN Act: The Good, the Bad, and a Practice in Participatory Government https://eff.org/r.1Kz #OPEN | Dec 15 00:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The OPEN Act: The Good, the Bad, and a Practice in Participatory Government | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 33.77 KB | Dec 15 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | but only protects you against state law enforcement | Dec 15 00:22 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: There's some days where I am glad of the way Canada is set up | Dec 15 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | one provision of the Indiana constitution is that law enforcement shall not use "undue force" to subdue a suspect | Dec 15 00:22 |
| XFaCE | the US system is really stupid sometimes | Dec 15 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | and there have been some cases where the police were ruled to have used undue force | Dec 15 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | and it ended with those officers being fired | Dec 15 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | states are free to organize themselves however they want to | Dec 15 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana is a very limited home rule state | Dec 15 00:24 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Not the same here I don't think | Dec 15 00:24 |
| XFaCE | Actually, somewhat the same here | Dec 15 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | local governments can pass any law that does not directly contradict a state law or the state constitution or a federal law | Dec 15 00:24 |
| XFaCE | And Quebec is the odd child | Dec 15 00:24 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: I think that's the same here | Dec 15 00:24 |
| XFaCE | Except there is no provincial constitution | Dec 15 00:25 |
| XFaCE | !google ontario bill of rights | Dec 15 00:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Environmental Registry - Ontario | http://www.ebr.gov.on.ca/ | Dec 15 00:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Every resident: Bill of rights for people in Ontario long-term care homes | http://www.cleo.on.ca/english/pub/onpub/PDF/seniors/everyres.pdf | Dec 15 00:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Ontario Environment Network - Environmental Bill of Rights | http://oen.ca/index.php%3Fpage%3Debr | Dec 15 00:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Ontario Human Rights Commission | http://www.opseu.org/campaign/ohrc/ohrcindex.htm | Dec 15 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | some states have no home rule | Dec 15 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | and some states allow local governments to contradict state laws | Dec 15 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | Maine for example | Dec 15 00:25 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Right now, we have a greater deal of provincial independence being shown | Dec 15 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | the legal system can change wildly from state to state | Dec 15 00:26 |
| XFaCE | !google omnibus crime bill ontario reject | Dec 15 00:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Mental illness considerations rejected in new crime bill |CTV ... | http://swo.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20111202/tories-crime-bill-mental-illness-111202/20111202%3Fhub%3DSWOHome | Dec 15 00:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Welcome to the Saskatchewan office | Canadian Centre for Policy ... | http://www.policyalternatives.ca/offices/saskatchewan | Dec 15 00:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Leadnow | Stop the Crime Bill | http://leadnow.ca/stop-the-crime-bill | Dec 15 00:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - An Ironic Coup: Rejecting the Omnibus Crime Bill is your Civic ... | http://www.taylornoakes.com/2011/11/19/an-ironic-coup-rejecting-the-omnibus-crime-bill-is-your-civic-responsibility/ | Dec 15 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | as long as it falls into compliance with the federal legal system, anything goes | Dec 15 00:26 |
| XFaCE | !ontario Bill C-10 | Dec 15 00:27 |
| XFaCE | !google ontario Bill C-10 | Dec 15 00:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Bill C-10 (Historical) | openparliament.ca | http://openparliament.ca/bills/40-3/C-10/ | Dec 15 00:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - 9 key elements of the crime bill - Canada - CBC News | http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/09/21/f-federal-crime-legislation.html | Dec 15 00:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Bill C-10: An Act to amend the Criminal Code (minimum penalties for ... | http://www.parl.gc.ca/common/bills_ls.asp%3Flang%3DE%26ls%3Dc10%26source%3Dlibrary_prb%26Parl%3D39%26Ses%3D1 | Dec 15 00:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Bill C-10: Do we need balance? - Northumberland Today - Ontario, CA | http://www.northumberlandtoday.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx%3Fe%3D3389922 | Dec 15 00:27 |
| XFaCE | j,, | Dec 15 00:27 |
| XFaCE | hmm | Dec 15 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana was a common law state | Dec 15 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | until 1952 | Dec 15 00:27 |
| XFaCE | We still have common law everywhere in Canada, except for Quebec provincial law | Dec 15 00:27 |
| XFaCE | which is civic | Dec 15 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | our first legal system was based on British common law | Dec 15 00:27 |
| XFaCE | civil I mean | Dec 15 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | and it even inherited the capital offense of buggary | Dec 15 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 00:28 |
| XFaCE | Same here | Dec 15 00:28 |
| XFaCE | But I think we kept closer to it over time than you have | Dec 15 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | our current system is codified in statute | Dec 15 00:28 |
| XFaCE | Then again, the Royal Monarchy is still at the top of the government | Dec 15 00:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Internet #blacklist bills #SOPA and #PIPA vs. the Constitution. The bills have fundamental flaws - https://eff.org/r.K62 | Dec 15 00:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Internet Blacklist vs. The Constitution | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 30.62 KB | Dec 15 00:28 |
| XFaCE | we are still government by the Queen technically | Dec 15 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | but common law marriages from before 1952 were grandfathered in | Dec 15 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 00:29 |
| XFaCE | *governed | Dec 15 00:29 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: We already have nationwide homosexual marriage legality | Dec 15 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | errr, buggery that is | Dec 15 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Dec 15 00:30 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: You guys are behind | Dec 15 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | there was a version of that law until 1977 | Dec 15 00:30 |
| XFaCE | *your country I should say | Dec 15 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | but by the time it was repealed, the maximum sentence was 3 months in jail | Dec 15 00:30 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: For gay marriage? | Dec 15 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | no | Dec 15 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | if you wer ecaught having oral or anal sex, it was a crime | Dec 15 00:31 |
| XFaCE | lol | Dec 15 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | until the late 1800s, it could carry the death sentence | Dec 15 00:31 |
| XFaCE | Then again, it did take until the 70s for women to be allowed into the RCMP | Dec 15 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | then they spent most of the 20th century declaring it was a mental illness | Dec 15 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | for a while, that could get you forcibly committed into a state mental hospital | Dec 15 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | then they decided it was a crime against nature again | Dec 15 00:32 |
| XFaCE | That's horrible | Dec 15 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | but only barely (a class C misdemeanor) | Dec 15 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | then it was repealed in 1977 | Dec 15 00:32 |
| XFaCE | and pretyt stupid | Dec 15 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | C and D misdemeanors are such petty crimes that they don't usually carry jail sentences, they can though | Dec 15 00:33 |
| *koolhead17 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | Dec 15 00:33 | |
| DaemonFC | public intoxication for example, could get you 3 months in jaiil | Dec 15 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | *jailo | Dec 15 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | err | Dec 15 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | jail | Dec 15 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | but they usually fine you | Dec 15 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | and make you go to AA meetings | Dec 15 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | they don't want you in jail that bad if it's listed under a C or D class misdemeanor | Dec 15 00:34 |
| XFaCE | Misdemanors don't matter unless you are in California in OWS, then you can stay in jail for weeks with a 10000+ dollar bail | Dec 15 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | someone between ages 18 and 21 that consumes alcohol has committed a class C misdemeanor | Dec 15 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | someone who parks in a handicapped spot with a fake placard has committed a class C misdemeanor | Dec 15 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | but if you don't forge the placard it is a fine not to exceed $50 | Dec 15 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | and a Class C infraction | Dec 15 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Dec 15 00:35 |
| XFaCE | infarction | Dec 15 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | infractions are a civil law issue | Dec 15 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | they can only fine you for them | Dec 15 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | they don't give you any kind of criminal record | Dec 15 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't pay them, it's contempt of court and up to 30 days in jail | Dec 15 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | driving without your seatbelt fastened is a Class D infraction | Dec 15 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | fine not to exceed $20 | Dec 15 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | the city where I'm at has the Class E infraction, which is $5 | Dec 15 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | parking too long in a 2 hour parking spot is an example of that | Dec 15 00:38 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Totally off topic, but you sure like to read yourself talking, no? :P | Dec 15 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | there was a time when I lived in an apartment with no official place to park, so I ended up parking in a 2 hour zone | Dec 15 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | it took them 6 months to notice that | Dec 15 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | and I got a $5 ticket | Dec 15 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | sure :P | Dec 15 00:38 |
| XFaCE | ah | Dec 15 00:39 |
| XFaCE | I think I've gotten tired of politics in general | Dec 15 00:39 |
| XFaCE | or at least talking about it here | Dec 15 00:39 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Let's talk about YouTube policy silliness | Dec 15 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | I think they should kick vevo off of Youtube | Dec 15 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | until the RIAA agrees to stop suing people who have the same songs that are on vevo in unrelated video clips | Dec 15 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | playing in the background | Dec 15 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 00:41 |
| XFaCE | or how about a freaking notice-to-notice system instead of notice-to-takedown? That would improve things greatly | Dec 15 00:42 |
| XFaCE | and restore the concept of innocent until proven guilty | Dec 15 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | or how about giving you a chance to dispute take down requests from any random source | Dec 15 00:42 |
| XFaCE | uh yeah | Dec 15 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | before yanking down your videos or deleting your whole account | Dec 15 00:42 |
| XFaCE | tha'ts the point of notice-to-notice | Dec 15 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Dec 15 00:42 |
| XFaCE | exactly what I said | Dec 15 00:42 |
| XFaCE | You just were like "or how about we do exactly what you suggested"? | Dec 15 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | they should make the person doing the take down request sign a DMCA form | Dec 15 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | and send it certified mail | Dec 15 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | which is fully in compliance with the law as written | Dec 15 00:43 |
| XFaCE | or at least some sort of email signature | Dec 15 00:43 |
| XFaCE | some valid email signature | Dec 15 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | and if that form is a lie, whoever submitted it has committed a crime | Dec 15 00:43 |
| XFaCE | yeah | Dec 15 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Dec 15 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | physical form | Dec 15 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | certified mail | Dec 15 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | real signature | Dec 15 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | see how many frivolous take downs they get after that | Dec 15 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | it wouldn't be worth doing | Dec 15 00:44 |
| XFaCE | And they seem pretty lazy anyhow | Dec 15 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | they make it easier to submit a DMCA take down than the law requires | Dec 15 00:45 |
| XFaCE | All that work, you know, demonstrating actual infringement, following the law | Dec 15 00:45 |
| XFaCE | Much too much | Dec 15 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | I'm saying they should make it as difficult as the law lets them on the petitioner | Dec 15 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | it would likely cut down the frivolous requests | Dec 15 00:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Congress Passes $662 Billion Defense Bill, Aka The NDAA | ZeroHedge - #ndaa #usa #policestate http://goo.gl/GMTTX | Dec 15 00:45 | |
| XFaCE | Agreed | Dec 15 00:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Congress Passes $662 Billion Defense Bill, Aka The NDAA | ZeroHedge .::. Size~: 155.21 KB | Dec 15 00:45 |
| XFaCE | bbl | Dec 15 00:45 |
| XFaCE | time for cooked frozen pizza | Dec 15 00:46 |
| XFaCE | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | Dec 15 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | or as the Swedish Chef would say, were he a US Senator...... | Dec 15 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | PORK PORK PORK PORK | Dec 15 00:46 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: As Picard would say | Dec 15 00:46 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC, you have the conn. | Dec 15 00:46 |
| *XFaCE gives channel operator status to DaemonFC | Dec 15 00:47 | |
| DaemonFC | Yellow Alert, all stations be on the lookout for the Romulans | Dec 15 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | and possibly Jono Bacon | Dec 15 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Dec 15 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://api.ning.com/files/-VgQM4GkF925NpEt1zTwGdgcaZ5HnhRturEVJsyT1cxuNcdEGvAi**A77xZKc15oHpxS8CA4dNfauoJQzJmuMpRfx9aM6L6c/untitled.bmp | Dec 15 00:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/bmp type | Dec 15 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200307/spock01/320x240.jpg | Dec 15 00:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Dec 15 00:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Brilliant short film on the detention of Bradly Manning at Quantico. http://t.co/nAPHjFrs #freebrad | Dec 15 00:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp gelukkig is hij niet alleen interessant omdat hij #wordfeud speelt. Wel getrouwd. FYI hé. /cc @FredoFredonis | Dec 15 00:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @cedricdevroey omdat mensen die journalisten willen overtuigen om iets te schrijven over #ACTA altijd t http://ur1. ... | Dec 15 00:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jenssegers @SmetPiet that's the spirit verdorie! Zo'n vlees hebben we in de kuip bij #FlatTurtle / #iRail ! ^^ | Dec 15 00:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 15 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | They had to repeal the capital buggery law | Dec 15 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | Dawn would be Public Enemy #1 | Dec 15 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | considering installing Project Neon alongside stable KDE | Dec 15 00:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp binnen een half uurtje zowaar | Dec 15 00:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @borniirt: #bornirt <b>Neelie Kroes</b>: Data is the new gold! | The DataTank: On 12th http://ur1. ... | Dec 15 00:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @tdelestre: RT @radio1be: Vijf Belgische app-makers krijgen 30" gratis zendtijd voor hun app, morgen http://ur1. ... | Dec 15 00:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @epsiplatform: RT @readermeter Help us shape t future data/research infrastructure for Wikimedia: ht http://ur1. ... | Dec 15 00:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: Nog 7 dagen en de dagen worden weer langer. #boodschapvanalgemenenut | Dec 15 00:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @greetd Kulderflipperken! | Dec 15 00:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @xavez: Time to work on some #OKFNbe and #AppsForX ideas. Fire up the Illustratorz. | Dec 15 00:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @peterdedecker dat mag hoger op de todo-lijst dus ;) /cc @netsensei | Dec 15 00:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @netsensei: @peterdedecker dat mag hoger op de todo-lijst. @pietercolpaert vote +1! | Dec 15 00:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @FredoFredonis meet @t1mdp | Dec 15 00:55 | |
| DaemonFC | apparently it does not interfere with stable KDE, so if it gets hosed, your stable KDE survives | Dec 15 00:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jenssegers "Wrong file added" - dronken commits doen is toegestaan, maar hou ze binnen de perken ;) | Dec 15 00:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @DeVisKar: Mogelijke ontdekking Higgs Boson aankondigen met Comic Sans. Ik kan daarmee gniffelen, ma http://ur1. ... | Dec 15 00:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @hannesvdvreken pong | Dec 15 00:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @tdelestre: Register here to present your app tomorrow at Radio 1 Peetersenpichal http://ur1.ca/6p5f http://ur1. ... | Dec 15 00:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp check. idem. :) | Dec 15 00:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @FICPI: FICPI Says "Go Slowly" on Unitary Patent and Unified Patent Court - http://t.co/MKhsipUm | Dec 15 00:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] #ThankGNU for John Gilmore for his donation to the !fsf fundraiser. http://ur1.ca/6p5h1 !gnu !lp | Dec 15 00:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @hannesvdvreken noooo :D | Dec 15 00:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] #ThankGNU for the Kahle/Austin Foundation for their donation to the !fsf fundraiser. http://ur1.ca/6p5iw http://ur1.ca/6p5ix !gnu !lp | Dec 15 00:58 | |
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| DaemonFC | Sustaining Contributors ($1000 to $4999) | Dec 15 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft Giving Campaign | Dec 15 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | WTF | Dec 15 01:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Canadian MPs use bogus video-game industry data to defend hated DRM law http://identi.ca/url/62436049 | Dec 15 01:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Milky Way's black hole may spring to life in 2013 http://identi.ca/url/62436159 !science | Dec 15 01:07 | |
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| beenz | brb | Dec 15 01:10 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Australia: Nicola Roxon was officially sworn in as Attorney General today. Are you one of her constituents? Go here: http://t.co/luNjeV82 | Dec 15 01:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] George Takei on the Japanese internment camps during WWII - http://ur1.ca/6p5tu - YouTube - #wwii #usa http://ur1.ca/6p5tv | Dec 15 01:12 | |
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| DaemonFC | OHHHHHH MY! | Dec 15 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Dec 15 01:13 |
| *XFaCE gives channel operator status to sebsebseb | Dec 15 01:18 | |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: This makes me feel good | Dec 15 01:19 |
| XFaCE | !google justin trudeau swears peter kent | Dec 15 01:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Justin Trudeau apologizes for swearing at Kent - Canada - CBC News | http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/12/14/pol-question-period-swearing.html%3Fcmp%3Drss | Dec 15 01:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Justin Trudeau calls Peter Kent 'piece of shit' in House of Commons ... | http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/12/14/justin-trudeau-allegedly-calls-peter-kent-a-piece-of-s-in-commons/ | Dec 15 01:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Extended: Justin Trudeau swears and apologizes - News - Videos ... | http://www.globalnational.com/video/index.html%3Fv%3DR8gO1w0vQlhUqocc7vaQVueH_MEMmiMV | Dec 15 01:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Justin Trudeau calls Peter Kent 'a piece of s—' in House of ... | http://inagist.com/nationalpost/147045489714528257/ | Dec 15 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | cat is meowing | Dec 15 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | must investigate | Dec 15 01:19 |
| XFaCE | http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/12/14/justin-trudeau-allegedly-calls-peter-kent-a-piece-of-s-in-commons/ | Dec 15 01:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Justin Trudeau calls Peter Kent 'piece of shit' in House of Commons | News | National Post .::. Size~: 72.97 KB | Dec 15 01:19 |
| XFaCE | He's absolutely right. Peter Kent is a puppet tool | Dec 15 01:19 |
| *DaemonFC is listening to One by Metallica on ...And Justice For All [Amarok] | Dec 15 01:20 | |
| XFaCE | If the Liberal Party continues to speak their minds like this, this will be awesome | Dec 15 01:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Bradley #Manning's defense team argues #Obama must testify. http://t.co/AsEP8lql | Dec 15 01:20 | |
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| XFaCE | [20:20] <XFaCE> Harper copyright law is based on half-ruths and not listening | Dec 15 01:23 |
| XFaCE | [20:20] <XFaCE> They spout bullshit all the time to justify c32 | Dec 15 01:23 |
| XFaCE | [20:20] <XFaCE> I'm not all surprised they've stuped to the video game nonsense | Dec 15 01:23 |
| XFaCE | [20:21] <XFaCE> then again, this is the same industry who said they needed the law TO PREVENT CHEATING | Dec 15 01:23 |
| XFaCE | [20:21] <XFaCE> Right, because video game cheating is such a hanus crime | Dec 15 01:23 |
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| beenz | yo | Dec 15 01:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] What drives Guardianistas so crazy about matters Assange? | Crikey http://t.co/iXwtUD4u | Dec 15 01:42 | |
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| XFaCE | beenz: hi | Dec 15 01:48 |
| beenz | yo xface | Dec 15 01:48 |
| XFaCE | how are you | Dec 15 01:48 |
| *XFaCE gives voice to beenz | Dec 15 01:48 | |
| beenz | im chillin | Dec 15 01:49 |
| XFaCE | cool | Dec 15 01:49 |
| beenz | u bro? | Dec 15 01:49 |
| XFaCE | studying for exams | Dec 15 01:49 |
| beenz | university? | Dec 15 01:50 |
| XFaCE | yeah | Dec 15 01:50 |
| beenz | good for you man | Dec 15 01:50 |
| beenz | what are you taking | Dec 15 01:50 |
| XFaCE | thanks | Dec 15 01:50 |
| XFaCE | business | Dec 15 01:50 |
| XFaCE | marketing | Dec 15 01:51 |
| beenz | thats pretty chill, u plan to help FLOSS with those skillz? | Dec 15 01:51 |
| XFaCE | If I can | Dec 15 01:51 |
| XFaCE | The skills are pretty broad-reaching, so there are opportunities | Dec 15 01:52 |
| XFaCE | A job at Red Hat or something would be awesome | Dec 15 01:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Explaining to a 5-Year Old Why the Indefinite Detention Bill DOES Apply to U.S. Citizens on U.S. Soil - #usa #ndaa http://goo.gl/idE0N | Dec 15 01:53 | |
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| beenz | theyre pretty awesome | Dec 15 01:54 |
| XFaCE | from what I've seen and heard | Dec 15 01:54 |
| XFaCE | and read | Dec 15 01:54 |
| XFaCE | Certainly better than many other alternative companies in the same field out there | Dec 15 01:55 |
| beenz | yeah for sure bro | Dec 15 01:55 |
| XFaCE | so what do you do? | Dec 15 01:56 |
| beenz | redhat is going to crush microshaft and appil, within 10 years imo | Dec 15 01:56 |
| beenz | retail computers and electronics | Dec 15 01:57 |
| XFaCE | Best buy? | Dec 15 01:57 |
| XFaCE | or not a major retailer? | Dec 15 01:57 |
| beenz | no | Dec 15 01:57 |
| beenz | nope | Dec 15 01:57 |
| XFaCE | hmm | Dec 15 01:57 |
| beenz | i dont work for capitalist giants, small business only | Dec 15 01:58 |
| XFaCE | Ah, an independent retailer | Dec 15 01:58 |
| beenz | yup | Dec 15 01:58 |
| XFaCE | I tend to have better experiences with those | Dec 15 01:59 |
| XFaCE | certainly more personal experience in terms of transactions | Dec 15 01:59 |
| beenz | they have more personality | Dec 15 01:59 |
| beenz | corporate machines are cold and heartless, profit is their god | Dec 15 02:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks case on Dec 16 follows military justice rules that differ from civilian courts http://t.co/Ahr3wqUO | Washington Post #freebrad | Dec 15 02:00 | |
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| XFaCE | beenz: For the most part. There are always exceptions | Dec 15 02:01 |
| XFaCE | Like Red Hat | Dec 15 02:01 |
| beenz | they arent a corp machine | Dec 15 02:02 |
| XFaCE | they are a corp thou | Dec 15 02:02 |
| XFaCE | gj | Dec 15 02:02 |
| XFaCE | h | Dec 15 02:02 |
| beenz | they are big in the community | Dec 15 02:02 |
| XFaCE | Most definitely | Dec 15 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat is a mixed blessing | Dec 15 02:03 |
| XFaCE | Since the beginning | Dec 15 02:03 |
| DaemonFC | so is Canonical | Dec 15 02:03 |
| beenz | they dont donate code for tax breaks | Dec 15 02:03 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Google is more of a mix blessing than Red Hat is | Dec 15 02:03 |
| XFaCE | I think Red Hat is a better overall company than Canonical is | Dec 15 02:03 |
| beenz | google scares the shit out of me | Dec 15 02:03 |
| XFaCE | beenz: O | Dec 15 02:03 |
| XFaCE | I don't fear them | Dec 15 02:04 |
| beenz | google tracks everything | Dec 15 02:04 |
| beenz | im anti surveillance | Dec 15 02:04 |
| beenz | they even have face tracking now in google images | Dec 15 02:04 |
| XFaCE | They have taken steps to counter that problem, more steps than what I've seen Facebook implement | Dec 15 02:04 |
| beenz | donttrack.us | Dec 15 02:05 |
| XFaCE | They still have privacy problems, but overall, I think Google is a positive force | Dec 15 02:05 |
| beenz | you search for herpes out of curiosity (or even other diseases) and advertisers think you have it | Dec 15 02:05 |
| XFaCE | They are certainly innovative and cutting edge, something I can't say for Microsoft or Apple | Dec 15 02:05 |
| XFaCE | beenz: Clearing cookies helps | Dec 15 02:05 |
| beenz | android is just an extension of their tracking | Dec 15 02:05 |
| beenz | not using google helps more | Dec 15 02:06 |
| XFaCE | There's always things like Scroogle and ixquick | Dec 15 02:06 |
| beenz | ddg + tor | Dec 15 02:06 |
| XFaCE | beenz: Fortunately, Android phones tend to have more user control | Dec 15 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | Google doesn't really have any competition | Dec 15 02:06 |
| XFaCE | beenz: I notice you were using Tor. | Dec 15 02:06 |
| XFaCE | *noticed | Dec 15 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome Adblock | Dec 15 02:06 |
| beenz | i was looking forward to real open source os's, like meego | Dec 15 02:06 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Google has more competition than Microsoft did in the 90s | Dec 15 02:06 |
| XFaCE | I can see no real monopoly that Google has | Dec 15 02:07 |
| XFaCE | At least not in the traditional definition sense | Dec 15 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't seen any other search engines that return good results | Dec 15 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | Bing is the closest thing that passes as a competitor for Google | Dec 15 02:07 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Ixquick works well for me | Dec 15 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | and they have like a 4% market share global | Dec 15 02:07 |
| beenz | its not a monopoly that scares me about google | Dec 15 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | you put them together with Yahoo and they have 10% total | Dec 15 02:07 |
| beenz | its stuff like what eric schmidt has said | Dec 15 02:07 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: But Google isn't stopping competetors | Dec 15 02:08 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: They even allow frontends for google search like ixquick | Dec 15 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | a Google competitor that uses Google isn't a competitor | Dec 15 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft lets other web browsers use IE's engine | Dec 15 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | does that make it an IE competitor? | Dec 15 02:09 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: no, because IE is windows only, you need ie to run them | Dec 15 02:09 |
| beenz | i was here earlier and i mentioned how a search on google got cops harassing me | Dec 15 02:09 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Google frontends are more akin to the independent ISPs in Canada | Dec 15 02:09 |
| beenz | i do research into anarchy all the time | Dec 15 02:10 |
| beenz | im trying to develop a working theoretical model | Dec 15 02:10 |
| beenz | got the pigs to show up once | Dec 15 02:10 |
| XFaCE | beenz: Really? Cops harassing you over a google search? | Dec 15 02:10 |
| beenz | after that i started researching anonymity | Dec 15 02:10 |
| beenz | yeah man | Dec 15 02:10 |
| beenz | im in the US, shit like that happens all the time | Dec 15 02:10 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: People use Google search because it works well. People don't use Windows for that same reason. | Dec 15 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | LARD | Dec 15 02:11 |
| beenz | pigs are idiots | Dec 15 02:11 |
| XFaCE | They use Windows because it is a forced requirement | Dec 15 02:11 |
| beenz | their software only works for recovering evidence on windows machines | Dec 15 02:11 |
| XFaCE | Pigs? | Dec 15 02:11 |
| beenz | cops | Dec 15 02:11 |
| beenz | bacon, oink oink | Dec 15 02:11 |
| XFaCE | I see | Dec 15 02:11 |
| XFaCE | I'm in Canada, so things are a little different | Dec 15 02:11 |
| Brendan_T | beenz: wtf? | Dec 15 02:12 |
| beenz | their gag order doesnt work if im on TOR and tell ppl | Dec 15 02:12 |
| beenz | idiots will never figure it out | Dec 15 02:12 |
| XFaCE | Though the gov't is proposing a law that would allow an ISP customer's details to be handed over without a warrent | Dec 15 02:12 |
| XFaCE | beenz: TOR is not as good as it once was | Dec 15 02:12 |
| XFaCE | I've been looking into I2P and other stuff | Dec 15 02:13 |
| beenz | better than not using tor | Dec 15 02:13 |
| XFaCE | Depends | Dec 15 02:13 |
| XFaCE | When I do use TOR, I have to be careful regarding passwords | Dec 15 02:13 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: https://www.laquadrature.net/support | Dec 15 02:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: La Quadrature du Net | Internet & Libertés .::. Size~: 36.71 KB | Dec 15 02:14 |
| XFaCE | That's probably the first time I've ever seen RMS used as a spokesperson | Dec 15 02:14 |
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| XFaCE | or quoted in this way | Dec 15 02:15 |
| beenz | im going to set up a diaspora pod so i can post without diaspora doing IP logging on me | Dec 15 02:15 |
| *XFaCE gives voice to abeNd-org | Dec 15 02:15 | |
| XFaCE | I don't think Diaspora does that anyway | Dec 15 02:15 |
| beenz | the apache logs on the server they host it on | Dec 15 02:15 |
| beenz | or nginx | Dec 15 02:15 |
| XFaCE | it would kinda contradict the purpose of the site | Dec 15 02:15 |
| XFaCE | beenz: can't see them keeping the logs | Dec 15 02:16 |
| beenz | im paranoid | Dec 15 02:16 |
| XFaCE | I can tell :) | Dec 15 02:16 |
| beenz | if i dont know for sure i can't trust em | Dec 15 02:16 |
| *DaemonFC is listening to Broken, Beat & Scarred by Metallica on Death Magnetic [Amarok] | Dec 15 02:17 | |
| XFaCE | Well, that's true of most things on the Internet | Dec 15 02:17 |
| beenz | my backpack is RF shielded | Dec 15 02:17 |
| beenz | :) | Dec 15 02:17 |
| XFaCE | lol | Dec 15 02:18 |
| *XFaCE removes channel operator status from DaemonFC | Dec 15 02:18 | |
| Brendan_T | when is it unsafe to enter passwords through tor? | Dec 15 02:18 |
| beenz | http://www.faradaybag.com/how-faraday-bags-work.html | Dec 15 02:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 15 02:18 |
| XFaCE | Brendan_T: Because of the way data is handled through the nodes | Dec 15 02:19 |
| XFaCE | there have been incidents of passwords being intercepted | Dec 15 02:19 |
| XFaCE | SSL helps, but isn't foolproof | Dec 15 02:19 |
| XFaCE | !google tor passwords | Dec 15 02:20 |
| Brendan_T | not foolproof? | Dec 15 02:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - tor is asking me for a 'control password'. What's it talking about ... | http://bytes.com/topic/software-development/answers/701641-tor-asking-me-control-password-whats-talking-about | Dec 15 02:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Tor Researcher Who Exposed Embassy E-mail Passwords Gets ... | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/11/swedish-researc/ | Dec 15 02:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - #2132 (Vidalia's password prompt is often unhelpful ... - Tor Wiki | https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/2132 | Dec 15 02:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Tor Browser(vidalia) Password - Nairaland | http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-420685.0.html | Dec 15 02:20 |
| XFaCE | Brendan_T: Even with SSL, password protection is not guranteed | Dec 15 02:20 |
| Brendan_T | well that's a bit of a bummer, i thought that was the whole idea of it | Dec 15 02:21 |
| XFaCE | In September 2007, Dan Egerstad, a Swedish security consultant, revealed that he had intercepted usernames and passwords for a large number of email accounts by operating and monitoring Tor exit nodes.[26] As Tor does not, and by design cannot, encrypt the traffic between an exit node and the target server, any exit node is in a position to capture any traffic passing through it which does not use end-to-end encryption such as TLS. While this may or may | Dec 15 02:21 |
| XFaCE | not inherently violate the anonymity of the source if users mistake Tor's anonymity for end-to-end encryption they may be subject to additional risk of data interception by self-selected third parties.[27] (The operator of any network carrying unencrypted traffic, such as the operator of a wi-fi hotspot or corporate network, has the same ability to intercept traffic as a Tor exit operator. End-to-end encrypted connections should be used if such interce | Dec 15 02:21 |
| XFaCE | ption is a concern.) Even without end-to-end encryption, Tor provides confidentiality against these local observers which may be more likely to have interest in the traffic of users on their network than arbitrary Tor exit operators. | Dec 15 02:21 |
| XFaCE | so SSL does provide a great deal of protection from password interception | Dec 15 02:22 |
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| beenz | you really shouldnt be doing anything on the net with your real life stuff | Dec 15 02:22 |
| XFaCE | Brendan_T: If you are using SSL and Tor, you should be ok | Dec 15 02:23 |
| Brendan_T | i didnt really know the difference between ssl and tsl | Dec 15 02:23 |
| Brendan_T | tls | Dec 15 02:23 |
| XFaCE | Brendan_T: TLS is newer/better than SSL | Dec 15 02:23 |
| XFaCE | That's all to it really | Dec 15 02:24 |
| Brendan_T | just a minute ago you said it wasnt foolproof, and now i should be ok? | Dec 15 02:24 |
| XFaCE | using TLS provides better, less exploitable encyption and security | Dec 15 02:24 |
| XFaCE | Brendan_T: 99% of cases, yes, you should be ok | Dec 15 02:25 |
| XFaCE | Even SSL on the regular web isn't foolproof | Dec 15 02:25 |
| XFaCE | I was being a little paranoid myself :) | Dec 15 02:25 |
| beenz | good enough for banking scum | Dec 15 02:25 |
| XFaCE | beenz: It's getting hard not to, thanks to the larger effect the Internet has on our lives | Dec 15 02:26 |
| Brendan_T | so whats the issue with it? | Dec 15 02:26 |
| XFaCE | Brendan_T: The biggest issue comes from unencrypted passwords | Dec 15 02:26 |
| beenz | use fake id online | Dec 15 02:26 |
| XFaCE | beenz: Unless I want to buy stuff, in which case it becomes a little harder to do that | Dec 15 02:28 |
| beenz | bitcoins | Dec 15 02:28 |
| beenz | money orders | Dec 15 02:28 |
| beenz | cash | Dec 15 02:28 |
| beenz | western union is good, keeps nigerian scammers safe | Dec 15 02:28 |
| beenz | lol | Dec 15 02:28 |
| Brendan_T | i always use cash in stores now to avoid being added to a database. i just get out 200 at the atm which lasts a while for food | Dec 15 02:29 |
| XFaCE | In Canada, we have privacy laws (PIPEDA), so we do have some protection from that sort of tracking | Dec 15 02:30 |
| XFaCE | Hence why BitTorrent VPNS that use Canadian IPs are desirable | Dec 15 02:30 |
| beenz | we have similar laws but the NSA can just come by and throw you in jail if you talk | Dec 15 02:31 |
| Brendan_T | i have no idea if the stores here actually do it | Dec 15 02:31 |
| XFaCE | Brendan_T: RMS would say they do, and I wouldn't be surprised | Dec 15 02:31 |
| *XFaCE gives voice to DaemonFC | Dec 15 02:31 | |
| XFaCE | I have to do some stuff | Dec 15 02:32 |
| Brendan_T | even if the stores dont bother, the banks will at least know where a shop and how much... | Dec 15 02:32 |
| XFaCE | bbl | Dec 15 02:32 |
| *XFaCE gives channel operator status to Brendan_T | Dec 15 02:32 | |
| beenz | if u pay by cash at some places u get attitude | Dec 15 02:32 |
| Brendan_T | since the banks are obviously interested in where i shop :) | Dec 15 02:32 |
| beenz | yeah banks give it to the gov't | Dec 15 02:33 |
| Brendan_T | ive never had that here. supermarkets have self serve checkouts now which accept coins and notes | Dec 15 02:33 |
| beenz | those machines scare the shit out of me | Dec 15 02:34 |
| Brendan_T | why? | Dec 15 02:34 |
| beenz | the creepy computerized voice | Dec 15 02:35 |
| Brendan_T | righto | Dec 15 02:35 |
| beenz | the future is going to be nuts | Dec 15 02:36 |
| Brendan_T | we'll get used to it | Dec 15 02:37 |
| beenz | internet contacts/glasses with augmented reality | Dec 15 02:37 |
| Brendan_T | what will they do? | Dec 15 02:39 |
| beenz | all sorts of things | Dec 15 02:40 |
| beenz | you can look at someone and get their biography | Dec 15 02:40 |
| beenz | even if i dont use them | Dec 15 02:40 |
| Brendan_T | and they'll run nonfree software | Dec 15 02:42 |
| Brendan_T | which allow the manufacturers to tap into the cameras and everything ;p | Dec 15 02:43 |
| beenz | and theyll probably be required to do anything | Dec 15 02:43 |
| beenz | the UK talked about this in its predictions report | Dec 15 02:43 |
| beenz | an internet of things | Dec 15 02:43 |
| beenz | youll need those internet contacts to interact with objects | Dec 15 02:44 |
| beenz | look up some of the speeches by Michiu Kaku | Dec 15 02:44 |
| beenz | hes one of the top scientists out there working on advanced technology | Dec 15 02:45 |
| beenz | your computer will be a sheet of paper | Dec 15 02:46 |
| beenz | wallpaper will be your tv | Dec 15 02:46 |
| Brendan_T | then we have it tap into our nervous system so we can instruct them to make us run to a particular place while we relax and put energy into thinking about stuff | Dec 15 02:46 |
| beenz | they already have computers that plug into your head or even just sits on top | Dec 15 02:46 |
| beenz | reading neurons and using a neuron dictionary being currently developed | Dec 15 02:47 |
| beenz | mind controlled computers | Dec 15 02:47 |
| beenz | there are people out there completely paralyzed, and have been surfing the web and chatting | Dec 15 02:47 |
| beenz | steven hawking will soon need one of these hookups | Dec 15 02:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] That Bohdi Linux does look interesting. A simple minimal install then grow your own. 300MHz 128MB 1.5GB | Dec 15 02:53 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/06/dali-clock-no-longer-available-in-app-store-this-time-for-sure/ | Dec 15 03:03 |
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| DaemonFC | Apple charges $100 a year for you to host software in their store that is given away for free | Dec 15 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | and if you don't pay, they delete it | Dec 15 03:04 |
| beenz | most of the free shit has ads | Dec 15 03:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Prof of law & bioethics says "EU ban on stem cell patents is a threat both to science and the rule of law" http://ur1.ca/6p85l #hewould | Dec 15 03:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: EU ban on stem cell patents is a threat both to science and the rule of law | Aurora Plomer | Science | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 144.04 KB | Dec 15 03:14 |
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| DaemonFC | AOL was pondering selling mcom.com to a spammer | Dec 15 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.jwz.org/doc/censorzilla.html | Dec 15 03:16 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Prof of law & bioethics says "EU ban on stem cell patents is a threat both to science and the rule of law" http://ur1.ca/6p8v8 #shewould | Dec 15 03:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: EU ban on stem cell patents is a threat both to science and the rule of law | Aurora Plomer | Science | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 144.04 KB | Dec 15 03:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] #Android passes 50% market share in the US. http://ur1.ca/6p9cj | Dec 15 04:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: NPD: Android passes 50% market share in the US | Android Community .::. Size~: 53.35 KB | Dec 15 04:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @patrickniedzielski @parlementum, take a look at this: http://ur1.ca/6p8fq #Rome | Dec 15 04:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @x11r5: @stav Today is my first mistake today | Dec 15 04:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] back from #UbuntuHour ⇒ @flying_squirrel & @bobjonkman http://identi.ca/attachment/62446091 | Dec 15 04:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #tzag | Dec 15 04:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Hey there, @satipera :) | Dec 15 04:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @joanvinallcox Green http://post.ly/4Jxyp | Dec 15 04:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @thistleweb ♺ @x11r5: @stav Today is my first mistake today | Dec 15 04:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] http://is.gd/ZRmZny should be supplemented by "Can be remotely crashed by text message" http://is.gd/tcGhSC | Dec 15 04:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Revealed: huge increase in executive pay for America's top bosses http://gu.com/p/3457q | Dec 15 05:07 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Revealed: huge increase in executive pay for America's top bosses | Business | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 252.48 KB | Dec 15 05:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] When this universe ends would we be able to pop into a parallel universe where all was still well? | Dec 15 05:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #tzag | Dec 15 05:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] RT @planetmozilla: Mozilla leaders to DC: “There are alternatives to SOPA” dlvr.it/10XQ42 | Dec 15 05:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] One day left to donate: Re-slicing scholarly literature into openly licensed evolving review articles - http://goo.gl/1nOsg | Dec 15 05:47 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Project: Transforming the way we publish research | RocketHub .::. Size~: 46.73 KB | Dec 15 05:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] When the NATO democracies use the full force of the police on peaceful protesters, how would they react if they were armed as in Syria? | Dec 15 05:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Most !capitalist economies have just been looted. If this is what works give me something that does not. | Dec 15 06:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Hacking my WM8650 Tablet again. Trying to get a Blutooth USB dongle to work now insmodding the required modules, crosses fingers #android | Dec 15 06:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] HardcoreHacker's UBEROiD HoneyCombMOD Custom ROM (for WM8650 #android 2.2 "Froyo" Tablets) has a new website http://ur1.ca/6pce0 | Dec 15 06:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Although in theory I am in favour of genuine competition I have to buy a politician as it offers better value for share holders. | Dec 15 06:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Half this threads timeline just appeared from nowhere for me. | Dec 15 07:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] #SOPA undermines U.S. in its #OECD negotiations for a free, open Internet https://eff.org/r.3K6 #netfreedom | Dec 15 07:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Are MPs seeking to turn back clock on expenses? http://goo.gl/1Cg2C | Dec 15 07:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: SOPA undermines the U.S. in its negotiations for a free, open Internet | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 33 KB | Dec 15 07:09 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the #Queen's decision to cover every part of the UK in a Jubilee tour smacks of "waste as much tax payers money as possible" #recession | Dec 15 07:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @lstench How did I miss this http://ur1.ca/6pcy5 #SOPA | Dec 15 07:14 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: All About SOPA, the Bill That Wants to Cripple Your Internet .::. Size~: 89.89 KB | Dec 15 07:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] 'They are trying to silence me' http://gu.com/p/34566 #Burzynski story goes a bit more mainstream | Dec 15 07:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 'They are trying to silence me' | Science | The Guardian .::. Size~: 107.39 KB | Dec 15 07:15 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I am really starting to like 'Misfits' on Channel 4. Never have so many well meaning people killed so many, especially parole officers. | Dec 15 07:17 | |
| Noblin | dont tase me bro | Dec 15 07:17 |
| Noblin | dont tase me bro | Dec 15 07:17 |
| Noblin | dont tase me bro | Dec 15 07:17 |
| Noblin | dont tase me bro | Dec 15 07:17 |
| Noblin | bro | Dec 15 07:17 |
| Noblin | dont tase me bro | Dec 15 07:17 |
| Noblin | dont tase me bro | Dec 15 07:17 |
| Noblin | dont tase me bro | Dec 15 07:17 |
| Noblin | dont tase me bro | Dec 15 07:17 |
| Noblin | dont tase me bro | Dec 15 07:17 |
| Noblin | dont tase me bro | Dec 15 07:17 |
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| schestowitz | That one smelled like a troll right from the start | Dec 15 07:18 |
| schestowitz | titan.galaxy-anon.net | Dec 15 07:18 |
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| Qualrus | Don't mess with the qualrus! | Dec 15 07:26 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @Evan Is there a way that URL's can be auto shortened in the web page so that we know how many letters we have left rather than guessing? | Dec 15 07:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Writers Guild Realizes That #SOPA Goes Too Far http://identi.ca/url/62454666 | Dec 15 07:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Writers Guild Realizing That SOPA Goes Too Far; Union Support For Censoring The Internet Begins To Crack | Techdirt .::. Size~: 125.22 KB | Dec 15 07:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Mozilla leaders to DC: “There are alternatives to SOPA” http://identi.ca/url/62454689 !eff | Dec 15 07:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Writers Guild Realizes That #SOPA Goes Too Far http://identi.ca/url/62454666 !eff | Dec 15 07:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] If you turn "auto" off and copy&paste the url into ur1.ca then paste the shortened URL into the dent, you know the count #worksforme :) | Dec 15 07:29 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mozilla leaders to DC: “There are alternatives to SOPA” | The Mozilla Blog .::. Size~: 26.39 KB | Dec 15 07:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Writers Guild Realizing That SOPA Goes Too Far; Union Support For Censoring The Internet Begins To Crack | Techdirt .::. Size~: 125.22 KB | Dec 15 07:29 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: looks there was fun to be had here | Dec 15 07:29 |
| XFaCE | *like | Dec 15 07:29 |
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| schestowitz | I got your email BTW | Dec 15 07:29 |
| schestowitz | Does not surprise me | Dec 15 07:29 |
| schestowitz | PR | Dec 15 07:29 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: the encryption worked? | Dec 15 07:29 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: First tiem sending an encyrpted email, so I assume your public key worked | Dec 15 07:30 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: ? | Dec 15 07:31 |
| schestowitz | it did, thanks | Dec 15 07:32 |
| XFaCE | excellent | Dec 15 07:32 |
| XFaCE | PS, my key is useless (forgot passphrase) so don't bother using it ;P | Dec 15 07:32 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Unless you want to the lock and throw the way the key so to speak | Dec 15 07:33 |
| XFaCE | *away | Dec 15 07:33 |
| XFaCE | agh, grammar | Dec 15 07:33 |
| XFaCE | Saw a pro=SOPA troll on the huff post, spouting usual pro-MAFIAA garbage | Dec 15 07:34 |
| schestowitz | I have had it for like 8 years [this key] | Dec 15 07:34 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Not worrying that it may have been compromised? | Dec 15 07:34 |
| XFaCE | I guess not | Dec 15 07:35 |
| XFaCE | I have to sleep | Dec 15 07:35 |
| XFaCE | see you later | Dec 15 07:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels now | Dec 15 07:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels now | Dec 15 07:35 | |
| XFaCE | gn | Dec 15 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Compromise would just mean my mail can be read by spied | Dec 15 07:36 |
| schestowitz | *spies | Dec 15 07:36 |
| schestowitz | If they have retention going all this way back | Dec 15 07:36 |
| XFaCE | since you are so open anyways, it kinda foils that strategy | Dec 15 07:36 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I don't encrypt truly secret things | Dec 15 07:36 |
| schestowitz | and password are sometimes sent by SMS (safer), like yesterday... | Dec 15 07:37 |
| XFaCE | SMS? you mean cell phone texts? | Dec 15 07:37 |
| XFaCE | I'm tired right now, so excuse the dumn | Dec 15 07:37 |
| XFaCE | b | Dec 15 07:37 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/European-IT-authorities-want-better-OOXML-in-Libre-OpenOffice-1395595.html | Dec 15 07:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: European IT authorities want better OOXML in Libre/OpenOffice - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 42.08 KB | Dec 15 07:40 |
| XFaCE | sebsebseb: ugh... | Dec 15 07:40 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/European-IT-authorities-want-better-OOXML-in-Libre-OpenOffice-1395595.html | Dec 15 07:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: European IT authorities want better OOXML in Libre/OpenOffice - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 42.08 KB | Dec 15 07:40 |
| XFaCE | we heard you the first time :P | Dec 15 07:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !tzag and good morning @kevie | Dec 15 07:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !tzag and good morning @macno | Dec 15 07:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] If you subscribe to @Schestowitz you get bullied a little bit... "Enter the IRC channels now" :-) | Dec 15 07:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #tzag | Dec 15 07:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] No luck getting the USB Bluetooth dongle to work on Tablet, but I THINK I know the missing link. Can't solve this ATM :( #android | Dec 15 07:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @aurele Bonjour à tous et toutes! Un jour de plus sur Terre, Un jour de plus pour les Droits de l'Homme \o/ #OccupyUrnes pour une Fra ... | Dec 15 07:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1040212 ""Signing into chrome" is pretty different from Mozilla's Sync service. Mozilla encrypts all the data and it's your key, Mozilla stores the encrypted data and have no way to decrypt it (bookmarks, preferences etc.). For Sync you can run your own server as well. Chrome's implementation doesn't encrypt the data, i.e. it's stored on Google's servers unencrypted and Google has full access to it." | Dec 15 07:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 15 07:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 15 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Konq also has excellent java, javascript and cookie control. Policy is set generally and can be modified per site. If you really don't want to run non free software on your computer, Konq is your friend. | Dec 15 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Ronald, I'll give Google the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their browser intentions. They wrote a browser to have the browser they wanted. They did it as free software, so we can all make what we'd like of it and reduce the chances of nasty surprises. | Dec 15 07:52 |
| schestowitz | I'm a little irritated that so much of the recent discussion has focused on Google. We should be wary of any site that presents us with javascript, and we should know exactly what non free javascript can do. The javascript trap from RMS and Kuhn's recent talk about not using G+ are excellent but leave me wanting some more facts. RMS recommended that people create javascript libraries and a browser that will refuse to run outside of the | Dec 15 07:52 |
| schestowitz | local community version. That's the right idea and my bet is that Google will beat everyone else to it. Asking "Will my free software browser betray me?" is a red herring that transfers non free software odium onto free software and innocent companies unless it is answered properly. What I'd like to see is a write up of exactly what bad things javascript do to the lovely chromium browser in Debian stable and testing? | Dec 15 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Depending on remote sites for functions like text editing and spreadsheets is, as RMS put it, beyond stupid. Using someone else's bandwidth is not, though we should all demand network freedom for ourselves. Until we have adequate bandwidth to run our own services, Google is providing a useful function. | Dec 15 07:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 15 07:52 |
| schestowitz | "Google seems to have a concerted plan and a browser under their control would seem to mesh well with a monopolistic plan." | Dec 15 07:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1039373 "When I first tried it, I was a bit disappointed with a lack of new user visible features. Then I saw the speed improvements... <3 <3 <3" | Dec 15 07:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 15 07:53 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1041074 "We have it... Can you substantiate it? Any links? evidence? news article?... me, or the doc?" | Dec 15 07:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 15 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Just for starters, there's CIPAV http://techrights.org/2009/04/21/cipav-and-microsoft-windows/ | Dec 15 07:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: FBI, CIPAV, and the Windows Back Doors Revisited | Techrights .::. Size~: 115.64 KB | Dec 15 07:55 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/86945079 | Dec 15 07:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @satipera (satipera)'s status on Thursday, 15-Dec-11 07:44:04 UTC - Identi.ca: If you subscribe to @Schestowitz you get bullied a little bit... "Enter the IRC channels now" :-) | Dec 15 07:56 |
| schestowitz | These are automated actually and I found no way to stop this (all posts treated the same way) | Dec 15 07:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @thistleweb 'They are trying to silence me' http://gu.com/p/34566 #Burzynski story goes a bit more mainstream | Dec 15 07:59 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/86945712 | Dec 15 08:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @satipera (satipera)'s status on Thursday, 15-Dec-11 08:00:46 UTC - Identi.ca: Roy loosen up I was joking :-) It was just an invitation to join IRC labeled 'Enter the IRC channels now' | Dec 15 08:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Roy loosen up I was joking :-) It was just an invitation to join IRC labeled 'Enter the IRC channels now' | Dec 15 08:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Hand made ornament (reuse of burnt out light bulb) http://identi.ca/attachment/62456539 | Dec 15 08:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels now | Dec 15 08:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels now | Dec 15 08:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Kernel Log: Coming in 3.2 (Part 4) – Infrastructure http://is.gd/432xVn #linux | Dec 15 08:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Fedora 16 KDE review http://ur1.ca/6peye #kde #redhat | Dec 15 08:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Sergey Brin, et al. to U.S. Government: Do Not Emulate These Oppressive Nations http://identi.ca/url/62458351 !eff !google | Dec 15 08:34 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1042807 "haha" | Dec 15 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 15 08:42 |
| schestowitz | "Wasn't a hint of an NSA key found in an old version of PGP?" " | Dec 15 08:42 |
| schestowitz | @Eric, I think you're thinking of this: http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/10/12/15/004235/FBI-Alleged-To-Have-Backdoored-OpenBSDs-IPSEC-Stack | Dec 15 08:42 |
| schestowitz | To my knowledge, no backdoors were ever actually found in the code. | Dec 15 08:42 |
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| schestowitz | " | Dec 15 08:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1042807 | Dec 15 08:42 |
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| Brendan_T | back doored openbsd... | Dec 15 08:49 |
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| Brendan_T | i suppose they've got everything backdoored :[ | Dec 15 08:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] When Linux 'fails' it's a hardware issue http://is.gd/5G5nLV why put "Linux" in headline? | Dec 15 08:59 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BATS Chi-X hardware failure floors Linux share trading platform for entire day - ComputerworldUK.com .::. Size~: 103.32 KB | Dec 15 08:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Read the comments here http://ur1.ca/6pg7n #xamarin #mono | Dec 15 09:00 | |
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| MinceR | geekings | Dec 15 09:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @x11r5: @thistleweb Does a woman like you are now in fact | Dec 15 09:02 | |
| schestowitz | greetz | Dec 15 09:03 |
| schestowitz | "MacOS-X for poor users ?! I really think this is a waste of time and bandwith. " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1040252 | Dec 15 09:04 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] And we come to the end of our holiday in Hanoi. Fun with family. #fb http://ur1.ca/6pgfb | Dec 15 09:05 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: https://file.status.net/i/identica/harishpillay-20111215T090510-f8366aa.jpeg - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 11.22 KB | Dec 15 09:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Listening to you later Identizens. | Dec 15 09:11 | |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Dec 15 09:12 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom | Dec 15 09:12 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Wed Sep 22 21:19:38 2010 | Dec 15 09:12 | |
| -NickServ-You are now identified for schestowitz. | Dec 15 09:12 | |
| -MemoServ-You have 1 new memo. | Dec 15 09:12 | |
| -MemoServ-To read them, type /msg MemoServ READ NEW | Dec 15 09:12 | |
| MinceR | yet another osx for poor users? | Dec 15 09:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/86948632 | Dec 15 09:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @satipera (satipera)'s status on Thursday, 15-Dec-11 09:06:01 UTC - Identi.ca: @Schestowitz It did not take long. | Dec 15 09:19 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: miguel left Linux | Dec 15 09:19 |
| schestowitz | for osux | Dec 15 09:19 |
| schestowitz | he promotes .net | Dec 15 09:19 |
| schestowitz | Linux is just a carrier | Dec 15 09:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Meizu spins dual-core 1.4GHz Android phone http://ur1.ca/6pgvm #linux | Dec 15 09:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Japan Tsunami Relief: Help People Not #Whalers - http://bit.ly/tEyJFG who does the japanese government really care about? #epetition | Dec 15 09:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Renault to have #linux kernel in the cars http://ur1.ca/6pgwp #france | Dec 15 09:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] US Republicans try to kill IMF eurozone help - http://bit.ly/uvARBL will probably kill IMF if they do | Dec 15 09:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Can #opensource save the planet? - http://bit.ly/tXa85m nice intro to Open Source Ecology project | Dec 15 09:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Will.i.am: I Did Not Authorize Megaupload Video Takedown - http://bit.ly/runfvk the plot thickens | Dec 15 09:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Download Linux Kernel 3.2 RC5 and Linux Kernel 3.1.5 http://is.gd/vQYalD #linux #kernel | Dec 15 09:25 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Will.i.am: I Did Not Authorize Megaupload Video Takedown | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 30.7 KB | Dec 15 09:25 |
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| Brendan_T | As I was following the attack from microsoft IP link I got to this http://www.mattheaton.com/?p=90 | Dec 15 09:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft, take note! « mattheaton.com .::. Size~: 40.28 KB | Dec 15 09:27 |
| Brendan_T | see the second post | Dec 15 09:27 |
| schestowitz | techrights covered it years ago | Dec 15 09:27 |
| schestowitz | !google techrights matt heaton | Dec 15 09:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | No Google results | Dec 15 09:28 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2007/06/23/matt-heaton-on-microsoft/ | Dec 15 09:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BlueHost CEO Disgusted by Patent FUD, Boycotts Microsoft | Techrights .::. Size~: 90.73 KB | Dec 15 09:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] An Open Letter to David Willetts: A bold step towards opening British research - http://bit.ly/seA9n7 the importance of downstream uses #oa | Dec 15 09:30 | |
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| Brendan_T | I was most interested in pointing out the pro-ms comment | Dec 15 09:35 |
| schestowitz | can you paste it here? | Dec 15 09:36 |
| Brendan_T | bluehostcustomer says: | Dec 15 09:37 |
| Brendan_T | July 2, 2007 at 8:24 am | Dec 15 09:37 |
| Brendan_T | Activation problem?! | Dec 15 09:37 |
| Brendan_T | I’ve passed the activation within less than 5 minutes! | Dec 15 09:37 |
| Brendan_T | Also,Microsoft has greatly helped me to activate my Windows XP that was moved to another PC. I’ve called them and they provided me with the new activation code right away! | Dec 15 09:37 |
| Brendan_T | btw | Dec 15 09:37 |
| Brendan_T | I’ve finally moved from stupid PHP/MySQL to a wonderful ASP.Net & Ms-SQL. | Dec 15 09:37 |
| Brendan_T | So BlueHost has just lost a customer. ;) | Dec 15 09:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] The scandal of the Alabama poor cut off from water http://goo.gl/VOCN6 | Dec 15 09:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - The scandal of the Alabama poor cut off from water .::. Size~: 80.17 KB | Dec 15 09:42 |
| Brendan_T | Also, this article is bonkas: http://slated.org/selling_free_software_analogy | Dec 15 09:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Selling Free Software: An Analogy | Slated .::. Size~: 25.52 KB | Dec 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | fake name | Dec 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | or anonymous coward | Dec 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | could be just a retaliatory thing | Dec 15 09:42 |
| Brendan_T | retaliatory thing by who? | Dec 15 09:43 |
| Brendan_T | "So one way or another, licensing has no bearing on whether or not people choose to pay for software, therefore there is no reason to choose a proprietary license for your work, and you'd be just as well publishing it under a Free license" | Dec 15 09:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Trying to figure out how the Bluetooth Software Stack is implemented in #android lots of RTFM for today ;) | Dec 15 09:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1042807 "Warum fährt das Mädel auch Dreirad? Wenn sie nicht drauf gesessen hätte, wäre ihre Mutter auch nicht auf die Idee gekommen ... typischer Fall von: Selber Schuld :-D (achtung, Sarkasmus)" | Dec 15 09:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 15 09:44 |
| schestowitz | Brendan_T: some ms booster | Dec 15 09:44 |
| schestowitz | seen that tactic used before | Dec 15 09:44 |
| Brendan_T | plus the stuff about tomatoes seems a bit crazy | Dec 15 09:44 |
| schestowitz | pretending one loses business for making statements one does not agree with | Dec 15 09:44 |
| Brendan_T | at least pretends to not agree with | Dec 15 09:46 |
| Brendan_T | I always find it hard to belive that anyone working for microsoft genuinely believes microsoft is good | Dec 15 09:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Eat your heart out, Escher: Meet Nina Paley's infinite leviathon: http://identi.ca/attachment/62462711 | Dec 15 09:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @siltaar RT @laquadrature Les gouvernements de l'UE adoptent !ACTA, désormais entre les mains du Parlement http://t.co/IL6OYSAV !lqdn | Dec 15 09:47 | |
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| Brendan_T | instead simply spread crap like this carelessly as they get paid to | Dec 15 09:47 |
| Brendan_T | pretty funny, really | Dec 15 09:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Will.i.am: I Did Not Authorize Megaupload Video Takedown - http://bit.ly/runfvk the plot thickens | Dec 15 09:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open source cancer research - http://red.ht/uWf55s sharing info speeds up discoveries: who'd have thought? #openscience | Dec 15 09:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Lobbying: Calls for #transparency over former MPs’ access to Parliament - http://bit.ly/vkAvOy urgently needed | Dec 15 09:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Microsoft Pushes Back on EU Cloud Concerns as European Rivals Move In - http://bit.ly/sPXXCu don't see how MS can address this as US co. | Dec 15 09:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @x11r5 no. Everything is standard. We are using an #ldap backend, and a #postgresql db (for the lags, rosters, etc), but that's it | Dec 15 09:59 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Pushes Back on EU Cloud Concerns as European Rivals Move In | Cloudline | Wired.com .::. Size~: 50.99 KB | Dec 15 09:59 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1043116 "https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1043116" | Dec 15 10:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/86792646 | Dec 15 10:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Patrick McFarland (diablod3)'s status on Tuesday, 13-Dec-11 13:10:23 UTC - Identi.ca: Thats why its a victory. Apple just lost about a fourth of their market (assuming US is half, Asia is other quarter), Android can swoop in. | Dec 15 10:01 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/86929056 | Dec 15 10:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Free Software Foundation (fsf)'s status on Thursday, 15-Dec-11 00:58:21 UTC - Identi.ca: #ThankGNU for the Kahle/Austin Foundation for their donation to the !fsf fundraiser. http://ur1.ca/6p5iw http://ur1.ca/6p5ix !gnu !lp | Dec 15 10:02 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Richard #Strauss: Complete Chronological Catalogue by TrV Number - http://bit.ly/w46UZC IMO he wrote too much, but redeemed by metamorphosen | Dec 15 10:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] So what happened yesterday with the adoption of ACTA in the council (that didn't happen)? A short explanation.The coun... http://b1t.it/acpe | Dec 15 10:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MT @asteris @MiriamElder Putin says he's misunderstood like Prokofiev was in his day >>huh? Putin is a composer? #russia | Dec 15 10:05 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - So what happened yesterday with the adoption of ACTA in the… .::. Size~: 49.64 KB | Dec 15 10:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] I know, I know... | Dec 15 10:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Monckton responds http://ur1.ca/6phzq http://is.gd/TRJf5S #fraud | Dec 15 10:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 15/12/2011: Linux 3.2 is Coming, 2011 GNOME User Survey Published http://ur1.ca/6pi2i | Dec 15 10:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Links 15/12/2011: Linux 3.2 is Coming, 2011 GNOME User Survey Published | Techrights .::. Size~: 105.94 KB | Dec 15 10:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #SOPA Undermines the U.S. in Its Negotiations for a Free, Open Internet - http://bit.ly/rtkR73 US gov increasingly delusional | Dec 15 10:25 | |
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| iophk | The EFF has its own link shortener. No need to promote bitly. https://eff.org/r.3K6 | Dec 15 10:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: SOPA Undermines the U.S. in Its Negotiations for a Free, Open Internet | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 33 KB | Dec 15 10:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Going to #LCA2012? Thinking of organising a #BoF session? Wiki page now up! http://bit.ly/uhomSZ | Dec 15 10:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] So what happened yesterday with the adoption of ACTA in the council (that didn't happen)? A short explanation.The coun... http://b1t.it/acpe | Dec 15 10:39 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - So what happened yesterday with the adoption of ACTA in the… .::. Size~: 50.13 KB | Dec 15 10:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] True horror: Upgrading apps on a Blackberry. There is no "Upgrade All" button in my version of the App World, updates ... http://b1t.it/acqT | Dec 15 10:49 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - True horror: Upgrading apps on a Blackberry. There is no… .::. Size~: 52.78 KB | Dec 15 10:49 |
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| schestowitz | " Potholer54 is one of those narcists I follow in youtube through rss and miro. Great stuff! " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1043371 | Dec 15 10:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 15 10:54 |
| schestowitz | iophk: what happens when they pull it? | Dec 15 10:54 |
| iophk | Same as when any other link shortener gets pulled. It has happened before it will happen again. that's one of many reasons why they should not be used. | Dec 15 10:55 |
| iophk | However the EFF link shortener is closer to the source for EFF articles and press releases | Dec 15 10:55 |
| schestowitz | agreed | Dec 15 10:57 |
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| -NickServ-schestowitz!~schestowi@host86-185-121-251.range86-185.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) | Dec 15 11:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] More #Android 4.0 tablets tipped, including a Cortex-A15 model http://is.gd/0Af99L #tablet #linux | Dec 15 11:03 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: More Android 4.0 tablets tipped, including a Cortex-A15 model - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 58.84 KB | Dec 15 11:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Netgear-Wireless-Extreme/?kc=rss | Dec 15 11:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux-based Wi-Fi router warms up to Macs - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 55.92 KB | Dec 15 11:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Media player box runs Android http://is.gd/l7KvkP #Linux widespread in STBs | Dec 15 11:08 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1043161 "Awesome, I hope we'll can hack our cars..." | Dec 15 11:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 15 11:09 |
| schestowitz | Or at least their media centres | Dec 15 11:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Acer releases second-gen Android tablet http://ur1.ca/6pjbl #linux | Dec 15 11:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Shared a post "" http://ur1.ca/6pjbq | Dec 15 11:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #DuckDuckGo Doesn't Show Leading Open Source Projects, Google Does http://ur1.ca/6pjc0 powered partly by MS | Dec 15 11:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: DuckDuckGo Doesn't Show Leading Open Source Projects, Google Does | Muktware .::. Size~: 32.47 KB | Dec 15 11:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @DigitalAgendaEU: Did u know the #EU 's #DigitalAgenda promoted a pan-Euro ICT network to connect resear http://p.ost.im/p/eyFdUg | Dec 15 11:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: I wish I could have #LED lighting in my own office. Healthier, more inspiring and greene http://p.ost.im/p/eyd8qb | Dec 15 11:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: A massive expansion of #LED lighting in #EU sounds good to me. What do you think? Consul http://p.ost.im/p/eyhPbf | Dec 15 11:17 | |
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| Brendan_T | i dont support it ;po | Dec 15 11:17 |
| iophk | Is DDG still tainted by Bing data? | Dec 15 11:17 |
| schestowitz | Probably | Dec 15 11:20 |
| schestowitz | Someone here would have said something if that had stopped | Dec 15 11:20 |
| iophk | The cleanup is taking a long time. | Dec 15 11:20 |
| Brendan_T | schestowitz: you don't seem to have all that much evidence | Dec 15 11:21 |
| Brendan_T | all i can really see is that the results arent as good | Dec 15 11:22 |
| iophk | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/245129/are_duckduckgos_bing_ties_a_problem_for_linux_mint.html | Dec 15 11:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Are DuckDuckGo's Bing Ties a Problem for Linux Mint? | PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 81.55 KB | Dec 15 11:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Samsung's snarky TV ads have harshed the iPhone's vibe - http://bit.ly/vjJbfR amazing | Dec 15 11:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Samsung's snarky TV ads have harshed the iPhone's vibe - Apple 2.0 - Fortune Tech .::. Size~: 59.4 KB | Dec 15 11:25 |
| Brendan_T | It might be (also) because the word 'open' is in openoffice, giving it higher results | Dec 15 11:26 |
| Brendan_T | http://www.bing.com/search?q=libre+software+office+suite | Dec 15 11:27 |
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| Brendan_T | http://www.bing.com/search?q=free+software gives gnu in the first few results | Dec 15 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | iophk: Noyes | Dec 15 11:28 |
| Brendan_T | I'm suprised they haven't censored it more | Dec 15 11:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Waarom is er niet zoiets als dit http://ur1.ca/6pjls in #Maastricht? Hier zou ik met Liefde en plezier mijn energie in willen steken! | Dec 15 11:28 | |
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| schestowitz | Brendan_T: report a bug :-) | Dec 15 11:29 |
| Brendan_T | considering how ambiguious 'free' is, they could get away with more. | Dec 15 11:29 |
| Brendan_T | so you still think they are warping results a lot? | Dec 15 11:30 |
| Brendan_T | have you tested with topics microsoft dont care much for? | Dec 15 11:32 |
| Brendan_T | Interesting... Bing seems to give direct links, which means they can't be tracking which result was chosen? | Dec 15 11:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Perhaps a mention of Ixquick search engine as an alternative. | Dec 15 11:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] The USA are about to do what the British did in the 1970's that is introduce internment for their own citizens. The British changed policy. | Dec 15 11:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Op zijn minst zouden partijen als GL en SP het aan kunnen dragen in overleg met Vrijwilligerscentrale. Computers recyclen is Cool! | Dec 15 11:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Red Hat To Provide Weather-Prediction Data ... http://ur1.ca/6pjyk #linux | Dec 15 11:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: North American Windpower: Content / FYI / Red Hat To Provide Weather-Prediction Data For Pattern Energy .::. Size~: 35.05 KB | Dec 15 11:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] OLPC To Start Pre-Pilot For Helicopter Deployments In 3 Weeks http://is.gd/eXG7hW #olpc #linux | Dec 15 11:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: OLPC To Start Pre-Pilot For Helicopter Deployments In 3 Weeks - OLPC News .::. Size~: 72.37 KB | Dec 15 11:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Guake – Dropdown-Terminal for #Gnome http://ur1.ca/6pjzu #linux | Dec 15 11:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] #Computersrecyclen lijk mij een stuk interessanter dan het onnozele buurtcongerges project :-p | Dec 15 11:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Humble Indie Bundle 4 Brings ‘Epic’ Games, Gets Love from Linux Users http://is.gd/tvi9xZ #linux #gaming | Dec 15 11:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Guake – Dropdown-Terminal for Gnome « FAQforge .::. Size~: 38.88 KB | Dec 15 11:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Humble Indie Bundle 4 Brings ‘Epic’ Games, Gets Love from Linux Users - International Business Times .::. Size~: 85.16 KB | Dec 15 11:45 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/86955041 | Dec 15 11:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @satipera (satipera)'s status on Thursday, 15-Dec-11 11:37:28 UTC - Identi.ca: Perhaps a mention of Ixquick search engine as an alternative. | Dec 15 11:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] lijk = lijkt (wat een bizarre tikfout) :-( | Dec 15 11:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] 11.45am here and so overcast outside I have lights on the living room. | Dec 15 11:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Harkening to #Hargreaves: UK #Copyright Consultation - http://bit.ly/vRSff7 particularly pleased to see the requirement for #evidence | Dec 15 11:52 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Harkening to Hargreaves: UK Copyright Consultation - Open Enterprise .::. Size~: 95.45 KB | Dec 15 11:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Thans to "William Poaster" for the link to http://ur1.ca/6pjls | Dec 15 12:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Free Geek » Mission Statement .::. Size~: 7.56 KB | Dec 15 12:00 |
| schestowitz | "I just checked it myself and its true... " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1043611 | Dec 15 12:02 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1043703 | Dec 15 12:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 15 12:09 |
| schestowitz | great saying | Dec 15 12:09 |
| schestowitz | gotta go meet a mate for lunch, bbl | Dec 15 12:09 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] MSFT Messenger now adds XMPP support. Open Standards FTW again. http://ur1.ca/6pkw0... http://b1t.it/act3 | Dec 15 12:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jrepin/@jrepin] !Qt 4.8.0 released — Theaded !OpenGL and HTTP, platform abstraction, optimized file system access → http://ur1.ca/6pjsx !fs !linux !kde | Dec 15 12:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Qt 4.8.0 Released .::. Size~: 44.69 KB | Dec 15 12:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Ah, memories. Years ago, when the fight against Software Patents was on, the decision on the directive was put on the ... http://b1t.it/acuc | Dec 15 12:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Ah, memories. Years ago, when the fight against Software… .::. Size~: 46.47 KB | Dec 15 12:28 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] History repeating. Fishery council and ACTA is like fishery council and software patents:http://eupat.ffii.org/int/04/cons1221/index.en.html | Dec 15 12:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] I wouldn't be surprised if todays council of agriculture and fishery meeting that will vote on #ACTA is sponsored by M... http://b1t.it/acuE | Dec 15 12:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Trojan Elop quase a terminar o seu servicinho na Nokia - #msnokia http://goo.gl/r0OPO | Dec 15 12:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - I wouldn't be surprised if todays council of agriculture… .::. Size~: 44.3 KB | Dec 15 12:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: TeK > Notícias > Negócios > Nokia pode vender unidade de smartphones à Microsoft .::. Size~: 45.44 KB | Dec 15 12:45 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] The best 10 "fill in here" lists on the Independent site are starting to give me the pip. | Dec 15 12:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Busted: #BitTorrent Pirates at Sony, Universal and Fox | TorrentFreak - #p2p #MAFIAA http://goo.gl/p9e18 | Dec 15 12:50 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Busted: BitTorrent Pirates at Sony, Universal and Fox | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 56.98 KB | Dec 15 12:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ovigia Bom, como sabes a M$ tem o toque de Midas ao contrário(lembra a Danger e o Sidekick ?) - Tudo que ela toca, vira merda. Então... | Dec 15 12:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] sem dúvida. não me recordo dessas, mas recordo que havia um site que documentava todas as enganadas. | Dec 15 12:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] #ACTA is A-item on fishery council. This means no debate, nothing. Just a short "We now have the ACTA A-item. (2 secon... http://b1t.it/acve | Dec 15 12:58 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - #ACTA is A-item on fishery council. This means no debate,… .::. Size~: 49.89 KB | Dec 15 12:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Poisoning link threatens future of shale gas fracking. http://ur1.ca/6plqa #Dramaticevidence | Dec 15 13:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Poisoning link threatens future of fracking - Business News - Business - The Independent .::. Size~: 102.61 KB | Dec 15 13:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] HMRC: Don't scapegoat #whistleblower #ositamba - http://chn.ge/uanZBQ absurd & vindictive #epetition | Dec 15 13:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] French President’s Residence ‘Busted’ For BitTorrent Piracy - http://bit.ly/tiRkYP I'm sure there are many more like this #hypocrisy | Dec 15 13:10 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Petition: HMRC: Don't scapegoat #whistleblower #ositamba | Change.org .::. Size~: 42.8 KB | Dec 15 13:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: French President’s Residence ‘Busted’ For BitTorrent Piracy | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 27.42 KB | Dec 15 13:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Mozilla Announces Firefox Flicks - http://bit.ly/vgkSel "short films that highlight what makes Mozilla Firefox different" | Dec 15 13:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mozilla Announces Firefox Flicks | The Mozilla Blog .::. Size~: 23.59 KB | Dec 15 13:15 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Linux Forums - HOWTO install PowerDNS on #CentOS - #floss #tips #gnulinux http://goo.gl/AY81P | Dec 15 13:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] Some trolls we all know should read and RESPECT this http://status.net/wiki/Identiquette#Groups | Dec 15 13:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Real Survival TV - #preppers #docs http://ur1.ca/6pmi5 | Dec 15 13:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody #Mozilla Announces Firefox Flicks - http://bit.ly/vgkSel "short films that highlight what makes Mozilla Firefox different" | Dec 15 13:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] French President’s Residence ‘Busted’ For BitTorrent Piracy | TorrentFreak - #mafiaa #sarkozy vi@glynmoody http://goo.gl/zBmLr | Dec 15 13:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: French President’s Residence ‘Busted’ For BitTorrent Piracy | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 27.54 KB | Dec 15 13:40 |
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| beenz | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/12/15/038233/should-social-media-affect-your-creditworthiness | Dec 15 13:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Should Social Media Affect Your Creditworthiness? - Slashdot .::. Size~: 128.86 KB | Dec 15 13:51 |
| beenz | boom | Dec 15 13:51 |
| beenz | that's what I was talking about yesterday | Dec 15 13:51 |
| oiaohm | beenz: really that is a very hard call. | Dec 15 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Its not like you going to give credit to a guy who likes blowing random stuff up. | Dec 15 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Of course question is what a person like me who does not have Social media stuff that much. | Dec 15 13:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Preparedness or Paranoia? - YouTube - #preppers let's wake up the sheeple... http://ur1.ca/6pn0t | Dec 15 13:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU Council Supports Net Neutrality. Let's Make it the Law! - http://bit.ly/rH2Z1w sounds good | Dec 15 13:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ownCloud Open Source Storage Launches Commercial Entity - http://bit.ly/tpAdgE seem to be quite a few #opensource cloud solutions | Dec 15 13:58 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: EU Council Supports Net Neutrality. Let's Make it the Law! | La Quadrature du Net .::. Size~: 28.13 KB | Dec 15 13:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: ownCloud Open Source Storage Launches Commercial Entity | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 87.12 KB | Dec 15 13:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] An open source political party? | red.ht/umun7F | Dec 15 14:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Female Perspective on Survivalism and Preparedness - YouTube - #preppers http://ur1.ca/6pnws | Dec 15 14:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Tons Of Amendments Proposed For #SOPA - http://bit.ly/vtjUNS follow @mmasnick for today's live tweeting of "markup" process | Dec 15 14:05 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Tons Of Amendments Proposed For SOPA | Techdirt .::. Size~: 44.78 KB | Dec 15 14:05 |
| MinceR | the amendment i'd propose is the one that changes its length to 0 | Dec 15 14:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Portable Power Station - Urban Survival - YouTube - #preppers http://ur1.ca/6pnyi | Dec 15 14:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Wir können us dann also bei Frau Aigner für das Durchwinken von #ACTA im Ministerrat bedanken. #justsayin | Dec 15 14:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] European IT authorities want better OOXML in Libre/OpenOffice - http://bit.ly/tzqdyc well, yes, they need an escape route.. | Dec 15 14:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[hisdudeness/@hisdudeness] “Ohio governor paid by #Koch_Brothers to commence !Fracking - YouTube”: http://ur1.ca/6po1x | Dec 15 14:12 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: European IT authorities want better OOXML in Libre/OpenOffice - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 42.1 KB | Dec 15 14:12 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Pluses and minuses if Wikipediafying your database - http://bit.ly/tJy39z thought-provoking stuff #openscience #wikipedia | Dec 15 14:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] The EU is worried about a digital divide (http://wmk.me/rShYiw ) but are they looking at the right one? http://wmk.me/uGKWnH [by me, CWUK] | Dec 15 14:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Sarkozy's official residence is a den of piracy http://identi.ca/url/62477345 | Dec 15 14:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Universal Music uses false copyright claim to censor news program about its false copyright claim http://identi.ca/url/62477352 | Dec 15 14:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Universal Music uses false #copyright claim to #censor news program about its false copyright claim - http://bit.ly/uEgAzu it happens again | Dec 15 14:30 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Universal Music uses false copyright claim to censor news program about its false copyright claim - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 28.04 KB | Dec 15 14:30 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Qt 4.8.0 released http://ur1.ca/6poln | Dec 15 14:35 | |
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| beenz | oiaohm - its a loophole around freedom of speech | Dec 15 14:36 |
| beenz | oiaohm - my arguement for pro-anonymity | Dec 15 14:36 |
| beenz | you can say all you want but it will effect your credit | Dec 15 14:37 |
| oiaohm | beenz: with freedom of speech becomes responablity to use it wisely. | Dec 15 14:40 |
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| oiaohm | beenz: of course most people using social media have forgot that point. | Dec 15 14:40 |
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| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:42 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:42 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:42 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:42 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:42 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:42 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:42 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:42 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| beenz | stop spamming you freak | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
| Ifandor | BLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLANDBLA | Dec 15 14:43 |
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| *Ifandor has quit (Excess Flood) | Dec 15 14:43 | |
| beenz | finally | Dec 15 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Hmm have not had one of those in a while. | Dec 15 14:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Remote #GUI administration over #SSH - #floss #tips http://goo.gl/QjUd7 | Dec 15 14:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 15 14:45 |
| *MinceR contemplates banning all gateways | Dec 15 14:46 | |
| beenz | I think it should be illegal to discriminate based on what you say | Dec 15 14:46 |
| beenz | Just like its illegal to discriminate based on race, religion, etc | Dec 15 14:46 |
| beenz | being an anarchist will have banks lowering your credit guaranteed | Dec 15 14:47 |
| beenz | they'll assume you want to bomb them | Dec 15 14:47 |
| XFaCE | oh wow | Dec 15 14:48 |
| *XFaCE gives voice to DaemonFC | Dec 15 14:48 | |
| *XFaCE gives voice to abeNd-org | Dec 15 14:48 | |
| *XFaCE gives channel operator status to oiaohm | Dec 15 14:48 | |
| *XFaCE gives voice to beenz | Dec 15 14:48 | |
| *XFaCE gives voice to schestowitz | Dec 15 14:48 | |
| *XFaCE gives voice to schestowitz_log | Dec 15 14:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Android-ready #ARM mini- #HTPC costs $130, uses just three Watts - News - Linux for Devices #gnulinux http://goo.gl/qUzWi | Dec 15 14:48 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Android-ready ARM mini-HTPC costs $130, uses just three Watts - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 57.06 KB | Dec 15 14:48 |
| *XFaCE gives voice to Brendan_T | Dec 15 14:48 | |
| *XFaCE gives voice to oiaohm | Dec 15 14:51 | |
| XFaCE | That should do | Dec 15 14:52 |
| beenz | looking good | Dec 15 14:52 |
| beenz | reminds me of DALnet | Dec 15 14:52 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: Really its funny when the spammer does self in. | Dec 15 14:53 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: Only when he doesn't have any success. This one did | Dec 15 14:54 |
| beenz | it was a total #fail | Dec 15 14:54 |
| beenz | freenode kicked him off | Dec 15 14:54 |
| MinceR | too late | Dec 15 14:54 |
| beenz | he spammed too fast | Dec 15 14:54 |
| oiaohm | beenz: Not quite | Dec 15 14:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] *Refuse to be Terrorized* - by Bruce Schneier (2006) - #privacy #fearmongering #tsa #policestate http://goo.gl/JjTgZ | Dec 15 14:55 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Refuse to be Terrorized .::. Size~: 11.94 KB | Dec 15 14:55 |
| oiaohm | beenz: way to fast they get banned before they send the first message. | Dec 15 14:55 |
| *goodpie (b2a287ea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.162.135.234) has joined #techrights | Dec 15 14:55 | |
| beenz | 09:43 -!- Ifandor [bc2836a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.40.54.165] has quit [Excess Flood] | Dec 15 14:55 |
| oiaohm | beenz: yes I did that to my self ones with a 100 bottles of beer script. | Dec 15 14:55 |
| beenz | he set off a flood detector | Dec 15 14:55 |
| *MinceR sets ban on *!*b2a287ea@*.178.162.135.234 | Dec 15 14:56 | |
| *MinceR has kicked goodpie from #techrights (goodpie) | Dec 15 14:56 | |
| beenz | thats noobish | Dec 15 14:56 |
| MinceR | 234.135.162.178.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer de3.proxy.anonymox.net. | Dec 15 14:56 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Good thinking | Dec 15 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Exactly MinceR he was not 100 percent noobish | Dec 15 14:56 |
| oiaohm | He was smart enough to use proxy. | Dec 15 14:56 |
| beenz | he outed himself with that proxy | Dec 15 14:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Blender 2.61 released with GPU based rendering and motion tracking (LGW) http://ur1.ca/6pp5k | Dec 15 14:57 | |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: I wouldn't call that smart. | Dec 15 14:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Blender 2.61 released with GPU based rendering and motion tracking (LGW) [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 8.05 KB | Dec 15 14:57 |
| beenz | must be a certain flat fish | Dec 15 14:57 |
| MinceR | i think it's S*it | Dec 15 14:57 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Nah, I think Snit would probably be making annoying arguments instead of flooding. | Dec 15 14:57 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Inconsistent with his Techrights comment style | Dec 15 14:58 |
| beenz | Snit is too busy arguing with people about how great appil is | Dec 15 14:58 |
| MinceR | flooding is exactly what he started doing after he got banned | Dec 15 14:58 |
| XFaCE | beenz: I don't get the "appil" joke | Dec 15 14:58 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: 100 percent newbie used there direct IP address. | Dec 15 14:58 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Hmmm... wasn't here for that | Dec 15 14:58 |
| beenz | APPil | Dec 15 14:58 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: who? | Dec 15 14:58 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: refering to the odd spammers. | Dec 15 14:58 |
| XFaCE | beenz: ah, I get it | Dec 15 14:59 |
| beenz | microshaft is another one | Dec 15 14:59 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: ah yes | Dec 15 14:59 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: some of the idiots we have had turn up many year back from linuxhaters blog were dumb enough todo that. | Dec 15 14:59 |
| beenz | my friend used to troll me calling my browser Nutscrape... i started calling all of his shit microshaft | Dec 15 14:59 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: so the person was 1 level above idiots. | Dec 15 14:59 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: hmm: | Dec 15 15:00 |
| XFaCE | 188.40.54.165 | Dec 15 15:00 |
| XFaCE | Hoststuke5.piratenpartei-bayern.de | Dec 15 15:00 |
| beenz | the troll was associated with pirate bay? | Dec 15 15:01 |
| XFaCE | beenz: That's the german pirate party | Dec 15 15:01 |
| MinceR | they probably run a proxy node | Dec 15 15:01 |
| MinceR | TOR or some other | Dec 15 15:01 |
| beenz | thats what i meant | Dec 15 15:01 |
| oiaohm | gateway/web/freenode << Read the first bit. XFaCE | Dec 15 15:01 |
| XFaCE | Considering that I don't see how Techrights could really offend them, it was probably a generic reused IP | Dec 15 15:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Inventors of the Internet warn US Congress that SOPA & PIPA are a very bad idea: http://wmk.me/u8xwvz | Dec 15 15:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: An Open Letter From Internet Engineers to the U.S. Congress | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 44.05 KB | Dec 15 15:02 |
| oiaohm | He is using the web interface to freenode at that location. | Dec 15 15:02 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: Ah yes, the web client | Dec 15 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Really call me lazy I spoted that straight up so did not bother checking the IP out. | Dec 15 15:03 |
| XFaCE | anywho | Dec 15 15:04 |
| XFaCE | More productive/relevant topic | Dec 15 15:04 |
| XFaCE | I think we have more than enough opposition to SOPA. Too bad that opposition <> lobbying with money | Dec 15 15:04 |
| XFaCE | They haven't voted on it yet, have they? | Dec 15 15:05 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: Really I don't mean to be mean but it does not really effect me. | Dec 15 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Personally stopping piracy would also stop one of my largest sources of viruses effecting networks I look after. | Dec 15 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | repair guy is over | Dec 15 15:06 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: It will when the domains seized are global ones | Dec 15 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | said the landlord's son hooked everything up wrong | Dec 15 15:07 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: Not runnign Windows would also do the trick :P | Dec 15 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | I told him "I noticed" | Dec 15 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 15:07 |
| beenz | oiaohm - making windows illegal would be a better way to fight viruses | Dec 15 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | ISP detects you have Windows | Dec 15 15:07 |
| oiaohm | So we have to move to a better non USA controlled domain system. | Dec 15 15:07 |
| beenz | oiaohm - doesn't prevent our freedom | Dec 15 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | decides there's over a 50% chance of it being part of a botnet | Dec 15 15:07 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: And its not "piracy" | Dec 15 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | bans you | Dec 15 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | and sends you a page to download Linux | Dec 15 15:07 |
| abeNd-org | actually ISP based NAC would be a great idea | Dec 15 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Really XFaCE we have worse. | Dec 15 15:08 |
| beenz | its copyright infringement, not piracy | Dec 15 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | that's a walled garden I could get behind | Dec 15 15:08 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: huh? | Dec 15 15:08 |
| XFaCE | abeNd-org: explain | Dec 15 15:08 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: here in australia you get caught sending malware on to the net. You ISP can cut you off. | Dec 15 15:08 |
| abeNd-org | a lot of companies do that already, where the NAC server will see if you are fully updated patchwise, av, etc & if not shunt you off the corporate network until you are updated | Dec 15 15:08 |
| abeNd-org | if ISP could do that, that would be great, but that would probably be invasion of privacy, etc bla bla | Dec 15 15:08 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: gets worst restore and still send malware. | Dec 15 15:08 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: I think that's a pretty standard ISP agreement | Dec 15 15:08 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: Pretty sure it's also an offence at least in many countries | Dec 15 15:09 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: due to breach to telecomuication act by sending malware they can have all you phones disconected as well. | Dec 15 15:09 |
| abeNd-org | NAC - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Access_Control | Dec 15 15:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Network Access Control - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 40.87 KB | Dec 15 15:09 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: Another good reason to not use Windows | Dec 15 15:09 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: or at least have a Linux virus free backup system. | Dec 15 15:10 |
| abeNd-org | linux is great & all, but if not updated it is still just as bad as windows | Dec 15 15:10 |
| XFaCE | abeNd-org: Still better than Windows thanks to superior basic design | Dec 15 15:10 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: but you can audit a Linux system properly. | Dec 15 15:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] An Open Letter From Internet Engineers to the U.S. Congress - http://bit.ly/sUKazE wow, impressive list - & they all hate #sopa (v @webmink) | Dec 15 15:10 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: An Open Letter From Internet Engineers to the U.S. Congress | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 44.05 KB | Dec 15 15:10 |
| abeNd-org | and i can tell you ive walked into plenty of new clients that have a 1-off linux box for something & it is never been patched since the day it was installed | Dec 15 15:10 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: Windows mess you kinda cannot. | Dec 15 15:10 |
| XFaCE | abeNd-org: Oh sure, I can imagine that | Dec 15 15:10 |
| XFaCE | But as I said, with GNU+Linux you have a better starting point to begin with | Dec 15 15:11 |
| XFaCE | That's not an excuse not to update, but it is a reality | Dec 15 15:11 |
| abeNd-org | i would be all for ISP doing NAC for any device connected | Dec 15 15:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Want live updates of the #SOPA hearing going on today? Follow @EFFLive! | Dec 15 15:12 | |
| XFaCE | Controversy | Dec 15 15:12 |
| XFaCE | [edit] Spyware | Dec 15 15:12 |
| XFaCE | Some NAC software, such as Impulse SafeConnect, require the installation of a client agent. This agent is used to verify that the user is in compliance with the site network access agreement. This allows for locking down network access to any client running unauthorized software, unmaintained updates, or for any other violation detected. | Dec 15 15:12 |
| XFaCE | [edit] File Sharing | Dec 15 15:12 |
| XFaCE | Some colleges and universities used NAC systems in order to ban illegal, as well as legal, file sharing applications. | Dec 15 15:12 |
| XFaCE | [edit] Network Speed | Dec 15 15:12 |
| XFaCE | Implementing a NAC requires additional resources and expenses. This reduces access times and uses bandwidth. | Dec 15 15:12 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: there is a exucse. | Dec 15 15:12 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: some system I handle don't ahve a internet connection. | Dec 15 15:12 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: There's *always* an excuse | Dec 15 15:12 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: Well, that's a legitimate reason | Dec 15 15:12 |
| beenz | windows should be illegal | Dec 15 15:13 |
| abeNd-org | less bandwidth than the virus infested system serving spyware & hosting a ton of movie torrents/ | Dec 15 15:13 |
| abeNd-org | ? | Dec 15 15:13 |
| beenz | its the reason most DDOSing occurs | Dec 15 15:13 |
| XFaCE | beenz: Nah, competition would kill it naturally, as is what's happening now in mobile | Dec 15 15:13 |
| abeNd-org | beenz so should cigarettes & alcohol , but none of them are going to be anytime soon | Dec 15 15:13 |
| XFaCE | beenz: Ban it from gov't computers, sure | Dec 15 15:13 |
| beenz | just like cigs and booze, there is a capitalist corporation pulling political strings | Dec 15 15:14 |
| XFaCE | beenz: booze to a lesser extent | Dec 15 15:14 |
| beenz | doesnt the government sell booze in Canada? | Dec 15 15:14 |
| XFaCE | Booze is not always a negative, cigarettes are | Dec 15 15:14 |
| beenz | even more biased towards law i assume | Dec 15 15:14 |
| XFaCE | beenz: We have a liquor board yeah | Dec 15 15:15 |
| XFaCE | and a "Beer Store" | Dec 15 15:15 |
| beenz | they wont shoot themselves in the foot then | Dec 15 15:15 |
| beenz | alcohol is the worst drug there is | Dec 15 15:15 |
| XFaCE | The Beer Store (TBS) is the trading name for Brewers Retail, a privately owned, joint-venture chain of retail outlets in Ontario, Canada, founded in 1927. The articles of incorporation stipulate that Brewers Retail cannot sell "hard liquor" (spirits), or consumer goods (like groceries). Its competition is found in the beer sections of the Liquor Control Board of Ontario (LCBO) stores, government-owned outlets which stock beers outside of the Brewers Ret | Dec 15 15:15 |
| XFaCE | ail system, and retail outlets at Ontario craft breweries and major breweries located in Ontario. | Dec 15 15:15 |
| XFaCE | Contents | Dec 15 15:15 |
| XFaCE | [hide] | Dec 15 15:15 |
| MinceR | is that reason enough to ban alcohol? | Dec 15 15:16 |
| XFaCE | beenz: I think there are worst drugs | Dec 15 15:16 |
| XFaCE | *worse | Dec 15 15:16 |
| *oiaohm has quit (Quit: by all) | Dec 15 15:16 | |
| MinceR | i mean ethanol | Dec 15 15:16 |
| MinceR | (not sugar alcohols or glycerin) | Dec 15 15:16 |
| *XFaCE gives channel operator status to abeNd-org | Dec 15 15:16 | |
| beenz | alcohol was the top of the last list i saw for harmful effects | Dec 15 15:16 |
| MinceR | "Ah, smoking is not good for you, and it's been deemed that anything not good for you is bad; hence, illegal. Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat... " | Dec 15 15:16 |
| MinceR | regarding how bad ethanol is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg | Dec 15 15:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden | Dec 15 15:17 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Who drinks ethanol? :P | Dec 15 15:18 |
| MinceR | many people do | Dec 15 15:18 |
| abeNd-org | our poor cars :( | Dec 15 15:18 |
| MinceR | usually in diluted form | Dec 15 15:18 |
| MinceR | usually in the form of spoiled fruit or cereal juice | Dec 15 15:18 |
| XFaCE | abeNd-org: Ugh, don't get me started. :) | Dec 15 15:18 |
| XFaCE | abeNd-org: Ethanol in cars is a total waste of time and effort | Dec 15 15:19 |
| MinceR | how so? | Dec 15 15:19 |
| abeNd-org | and does nothing but degrade the engine, not help out gas mileage | Dec 15 15:19 |
| XFaCE | abeNd-org: It makes the milege actually worst | Dec 15 15:19 |
| XFaCE | It takes more resources to make than it saves | Dec 15 15:19 |
| XFaCE | There are million better sources of alternative fuels and energy | Dec 15 15:20 |
| MinceR | it's a renewable energy storage that has higher energy density and is cheaper than batteries | Dec 15 15:20 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: So is many other things that don't take as much resources to make | Dec 15 15:20 |
| MinceR | it's not as clean as batteries, though | Dec 15 15:20 |
| beenz | hmmm | Dec 15 15:20 |
| beenz | alcohol isnt the worst | Dec 15 15:20 |
| XFaCE | Ethanol, in it's presently offered form, E85 or whatever, is a scam | Dec 15 15:20 |
| beenz | heroin is | Dec 15 15:20 |
| MinceR | a big advantage is that current internal combustion engines can use it with little modification | Dec 15 15:20 |
| XFaCE | beenz: I would say meth | Dec 15 15:21 |
| MinceR | well, the current implementation is flawed | Dec 15 15:21 |
| beenz | meth is orange on that scale | Dec 15 15:21 |
| beenz | heroin is red | Dec 15 15:21 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Sure, on paper it sounds nice. The implementation is a failure | Dec 15 15:21 |
| MinceR | afaik they use human-edible sources of carbohydrates when they could use stuff like switchgrass or whatever | Dec 15 15:21 |
| beenz | this scale is strange | Dec 15 15:22 |
| MinceR | also, oil might be too cheap to compete against yet :> | Dec 15 15:22 |
| beenz | esctasy is less harmful than smoking? | Dec 15 15:22 |
| beenz | 0_o | Dec 15 15:22 |
| MinceR | wait till you run out of oil in the current places :> | Dec 15 15:22 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Yes, that also doesn't include the emissions from creating the damn stuff | Dec 15 15:22 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: I'm not against alternative fuels or energy by any means, which is the reason why ethanol pisses me off | Dec 15 15:22 |
| beenz | ravers die on that stuff if they aren't smart about it | Dec 15 15:22 |
| XFaCE | It's a cop-out solution and a hoax | Dec 15 15:23 |
| XFaCE | The advertising of the time and the media promoting it glorified it to the extreme | Dec 15 15:23 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: and what do you think of biodiesel? :> | Dec 15 15:23 |
| XFaCE | Fortunately, it seems to have died down | Dec 15 15:23 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Has a much better potential for sure | Dec 15 15:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @normative Lofgren & Issa issuing tag-team call for postponement of #SOPA markup for sake of transparency, hearings w/tech experts | Dec 15 15:23 | |
| XFaCE | Considering that diesel engines are much more flexible in what they can except | Dec 15 15:24 |
| XFaCE | Even old cooking oil | Dec 15 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.jwz.org/blog/2007/11/10501-broke-ptys/ | Dec 15 15:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden | Dec 15 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | Update, 2 Sep 2009: Still broken in exactly the same way in 10.6. | Dec 15 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | (And also 10.7.) | Dec 15 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it is Apple | Dec 15 15:24 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: There's also a natural gas Civic too. Even that is better than ethanol | Dec 15 15:25 |
| XFaCE | or more accurately, the current implementation of ethanol, which doesn't seem to be progressing | Dec 15 15:25 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: lol. Makes me sorry for the developers who make distros based on Darwin | Dec 15 15:25 |
| XFaCE | All one of them, now that I think of it | Dec 15 15:26 |
| XFaCE | !google pure darwin | Dec 15 15:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - PureDarwin | http://www.puredarwin.org/ | Dec 15 15:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Downloads - PureDarwin | http://www.puredarwin.org/downloads | Dec 15 15:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Screenshots - PureDarwin | http://www.puredarwin.org/screenshots | Dec 15 15:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - PureDarwin Xmas - PureDarwin | http://www.puredarwin.org/downloads/xmas | Dec 15 15:26 |
| XFaCE | "Credits | Dec 15 15:26 |
| XFaCE | We would like to thank | Dec 15 15:26 |
| XFaCE | Apple, Inc. for releasing Darwin as Open Source " | Dec 15 15:26 |
| XFaCE | lolz | Dec 15 15:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MT @digiphile for live tweets of #SOPA hearing, now LIVE: 1.usa.gov/vupung : @gnagesh @efflive @normative @mmasnick @techdirt | Dec 15 15:27 | |
| MinceR | XFaCE: LPG or CNG? | Dec 15 15:27 |
| beenz | i cant wait for the cars that drive themselves | Dec 15 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | there was a GNU Darwin at one point | Dec 15 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | GNU on the Darwin kernel | Dec 15 15:27 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: The Civic is CNG IIRC | Dec 15 15:27 |
| beenz | demolition man and minority report type of shit | Dec 15 15:27 |
| MinceR | (iirc they ban you from garages for both -- and they require more modification to the car) | Dec 15 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | and an OpenDarwin, which was Darwin with GNOME | Dec 15 15:27 |
| XFaCE | beenz: Minority Report sucked | Dec 15 15:28 |
| MinceR | also, CNG has a lower energy density | Dec 15 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | OpenDarwin wasn't terribly bad | Dec 15 15:28 |
| MinceR | very low, iirc | Dec 15 15:28 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: GNU-darwin is still around | Dec 15 15:28 |
| beenz | xface it had an awesome view of how technology will end up | Dec 15 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | the lack of software was a pain in the ass | Dec 15 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | some of the Mac Ports tree worked | Dec 15 15:28 |
| MinceR | and of course both of those are non-renewable | Dec 15 15:28 |
| beenz | xface - check out some Michio Kaku vids on youtube | Dec 15 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | but only if it didn't need Cocoa or Carbon | Dec 15 15:28 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: OpenDarwin died because the devs realized that they were just doing volunteer labour for Apple | Dec 15 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | if it used X11, it would usually build and run OK | Dec 15 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | OpenDarwin was basically DOA because of that | Dec 15 15:29 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Why not try GNUStep with it? | Dec 15 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | very few people ever committed any work to it besides Apple | Dec 15 15:29 |
| beenz | xface http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=219YybX66MY | Dec 15 15:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Dr. Michio Kaku: "The World in 2030" - YouTube .::. Size~: 133.47 KB | Dec 15 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | so Apple created Mac OS Forge instead | Dec 15 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | which is basically their version of Microsoft Codeplex | Dec 15 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | little open source add-ons that only do anything for you with proprietary Apple software | Dec 15 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | Apple doesn't have to fear releasing the source code to Darwin | Dec 15 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | because it's nowhere near OS X compatible even if you build a working OS from it | Dec 15 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | and it's not really open source the way most people think | Dec 15 15:31 |
| MinceR | not that OSX would do anything for you anyway | Dec 15 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | because there's no good way to submit patches to Apple | Dec 15 15:31 |
| MinceR | except maybe running really crap applications that are only compatible with it | Dec 15 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't surprise me nobody rushed to do stuff with Darwin | Dec 15 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | even if it wasn't strangled to death by Apple, it still has the same problem HURD does | Dec 15 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | it is obscure and lacks a lot of hardware support and is technically inferior to just slapping in Linux | Dec 15 15:32 |
| MinceR | actually it has worse problems than HURD | Dec 15 15:32 |
| MinceR | HURD isn't flawed right from the theory; the Frankenkernel is | Dec 15 15:32 |
| MinceR | HURD was designed with a usable UI; OSX wasn't | Dec 15 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | HURD is one of those things that never got past theory | Dec 15 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | because they don't have the resources to make it practical to use | Dec 15 15:33 |
| MinceR | actually they got pretty far with the implementation | Dec 15 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | it has very little hardware support | Dec 15 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | and it tells you to use Ext2 | Dec 15 15:33 |
| MinceR | they lack drivers and they probably want to swap Mach out for something better, though | Dec 15 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | that alone would turn most people away | Dec 15 15:33 |
| MinceR | most people don't even know what ext2 is | Dec 15 15:33 |
| MinceR | macos users don't know what ext2 _or_ hardware support are | Dec 15 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | The only appropriate use for Ext2 in a modern context | Dec 15 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | is a handy drop in replacement for FAT32 on low cpacity flash drives | Dec 15 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | if you use it on a hard disk, you're nuts | Dec 15 15:34 |
| MinceR | people use FAT32 and NTFS on hard disks | Dec 15 15:35 |
| MinceR | people use HFS on hard disks | Dec 15 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | it'll work, but it's severely limited in ways that more modern file systems are not | Dec 15 15:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Excellent article by @WiredUK on the history of #CC & why you should give to our annual campaign! http://bit.ly/u7j8R2 | Dec 15 15:35 | |
| MinceR | most people haven't seen a modern filesystem at all | Dec 15 15:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The history of Creative Commons (Wired UK) .::. Size~: 82.44 KB | Dec 15 15:35 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: It's the only ext filesystem that almost completely works on Windows | Dec 15 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | well, on a flash drive you don't want a journal | Dec 15 15:35 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Which is a shame, I want to share a home directory with journaling | Dec 15 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | you don't want tons of overhead | Dec 15 15:36 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Unless there is a Windows driver that supports journal ext now | Dec 15 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | running fsck on an 8 GB thumbdrive is a lot different than running it on a 1 TB hard disk with no journal | Dec 15 15:36 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: maybe you could use NAS :> | Dec 15 15:36 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: NAS? | Dec 15 15:36 |
| MinceR | Network Attached Storage | Dec 15 15:36 |
| MinceR | (a.k.a. file server) | Dec 15 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | XFS is popular with people using NAS | Dec 15 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | but I use it daily and have no problems with it | Dec 15 15:37 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: And that would work with partitions on the same hard drive? HOw? | Dec 15 15:37 |
| MinceR | no | Dec 15 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | you can literally FEEL the slow when you use Ext4 after getting used to XFS's speed on recent kernels | Dec 15 15:37 |
| MinceR | it would work with the home directory on another HDD, in a NAS device | Dec 15 15:37 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Well then, that idea's shot in the foot | Dec 15 15:37 |
| MinceR | but it would mean that winblows uses files that are stored reliably | Dec 15 15:37 |
| MinceR | something winblows' own filesystem implementations can't do :> | Dec 15 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | Ext4 is like fall asleep on your keyboard and wake up with QWERTYs slow | Dec 15 15:37 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: XFS for booting, ext4 for actual data | Dec 15 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | compared with XFS | Dec 15 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | which just flies past it | Dec 15 15:38 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: That's not to hard :D | Dec 15 15:38 |
| MinceR | indeed | Dec 15 15:38 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Not so good for data recovery tho | Dec 15 15:38 |
| XFaCE | Though I've read a story which suggests it is still quite good | Dec 15 15:38 |
| XFaCE | XFS that is | Dec 15 15:39 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Lol, have you tried JFS in awhile? | Dec 15 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | nope :P | Dec 15 15:40 |
| XFaCE | sigh | Dec 15 15:42 |
| XFaCE | Unsupported Ext3/4 features: | Dec 15 15:42 |
| XFaCE | journal: log-based operations, external journal | Dec 15 15:42 |
| XFaCE | extent: size truncating & expanding, file deletion | Dec 15 15:42 |
| XFaCE | EA (extended attributes), ACL support | Dec 15 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | XFS dates back to 1994 | Dec 15 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | but it was probably the most advanced file system at the time | Dec 15 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | by far | Dec 15 15:43 |
| MinceR | and it was a data-losing disaster :> | Dec 15 15:43 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: What a killjoy | Dec 15 15:43 |
| MinceR | i've lost some data to it | Dec 15 15:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] FUDCon LATAM 2012 will be in Venezuela! | Bidding is open for FUDCon EMEA and APAC 2012 http://2tu.us/3mmz | Dec 15 15:43 | |
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| MinceR | back when it liked to zero open files out on unclean shutdowns/reboots | Dec 15 15:44 |
| MinceR | due to metadata-only journaling + "we don't care" attitude about file contents | Dec 15 15:44 |
| beenz | i lost a 30gb video project i was working on due to xfs | Dec 15 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | that hasn't happened to me in ages | Dec 15 15:45 |
| MinceR | well, they fixed it a while ago | Dec 15 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | I've lost more data to Ext4 anyway | Dec 15 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | over the years | Dec 15 15:45 |
| MinceR | ext4 is a newer data-losing disaster | Dec 15 15:45 |
| MinceR | even now some of the options that make it behave like a real filesystem are nondefault | Dec 15 15:46 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: So what is the better sol'n, mister smarty pants? | Dec 15 15:46 |
| MinceR | ext3 | Dec 15 15:46 |
| MinceR | or ext4 with _very_ careful setup | Dec 15 15:46 |
| XFaCE | rally | Dec 15 15:46 |
| XFaCE | really | Dec 15 15:46 |
| MinceR | also the current XFS implementation in Linux is safe, afaik | Dec 15 15:46 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Um, so all of what you just said about XFS is dated info? | Dec 15 15:46 |
| MinceR | (it has ordered writes) | Dec 15 15:46 |
| MinceR | yes | Dec 15 15:46 |
| MinceR | 165436 <@MinceR> and it was a data-losing disaster :> | Dec 15 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | well, there has been a major overhaul of XFS | Dec 15 15:46 |
| MinceR | note the word _was_ | Dec 15 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | and it has been ongoing especially since 2.6.35 | Dec 15 15:47 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: ah, missed that :) | Dec 15 15:47 |
| MinceR | i still trust ext3 the most | Dec 15 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | and it has improved drastically in ever kernel between that and 3.2-rc series | Dec 15 15:47 |
| beenz | i dont want a filesystem from 1994 | Dec 15 15:47 |
| MinceR | "if i want cutting edge, i'll buy a sword. if i want bleeding edge, i'll use it." | Dec 15 15:49 |
| beenz | once btrfs stables out we will have the best | Dec 15 15:50 |
| beenz | another thing | Dec 15 15:50 |
| MinceR | once they finish the utilities for it :> | Dec 15 15:50 |
| beenz | the newer the filesystem the less likely the idiots at the pig department will be able to collect evidence | Dec 15 15:51 |
| MinceR | you might want deniable encryption for that | Dec 15 15:52 |
| XFaCE | beenz: Encryption makes that point moot | Dec 15 15:53 |
| beenz | FBI cracks trucrypt | Dec 15 15:53 |
| XFaCE | beenz: GPG encryption takes years to break | Dec 15 15:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MT @johnrobb Resilient Community Formula: "Localize production. Virtualize the rest." <= Spread this idea as far and wide as you can>>yup | Dec 15 15:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] "We, the undersigned, have played various parts in building a network called the Internet." | Dec 15 15:55 | |
| beenz | in another 10-20 years everything non quantum will be broken | Dec 15 15:56 |
| XFaCE | beenz: I think then we have a safe buffer :) | Dec 15 15:56 |
| XFaCE | A lot can happen in 10 - 20 years | Dec 15 15:56 |
| beenz | plenty of time | Dec 15 15:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] .@arstechnica covers the launch of the public discussion for #CC license suite Version 4.0: http://bit.ly/safB01 | Dec 15 15:57 | |
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| beenz | did you watch that video I linked? | Dec 15 15:57 |
| beenz | the future in 2030 | Dec 15 15:57 |
| XFaCE | will watch later | Dec 15 15:58 |
| beenz | due to moores law, chips will cost less than paper | Dec 15 15:58 |
| XFaCE | I have it saved for que | Dec 15 15:58 |
| XFaCE | cue | Dec 15 15:58 |
| XFaCE | queue | Dec 15 15:58 |
| XFaCE | there we gp | Dec 15 15:58 |
| beenz | they'll be everywhere | Dec 15 15:58 |
| XFaCE | bbl | Dec 15 15:59 |
| beenz | k | Dec 15 15:59 |
| beenz | most of the stuff in the video exists already in pre alpha form | Dec 15 16:00 |
| beenz | including the mind controlled computers | Dec 15 16:00 |
| beenz | i want that bad, so much easier to think vs type | Dec 15 16:00 |
| beenz | my fingers are a bottleneck | Dec 15 16:01 |
| beenz | speaking into a computer would also be a bottleneck | Dec 15 16:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] What the world searched in 2011 http://ur1.ca/6pr5g | Dec 15 16:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/05/illustrator-margins-and-safari-idiocy/ | Dec 15 16:04 |
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| DaemonFC | Safari 5.0.5: | Dec 15 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | Now here's where it gets really stupid. | Dec 15 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | Trying to get Safari to do the right thing is usually a waste of effort | Dec 15 16:04 |
| beenz | safari is webkit | Dec 15 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | the only good part about it is their KHTML fork Webkit | Dec 15 16:04 |
| beenz | should be the same as chromium | Dec 15 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | and that has more Nokia and Google maintainers now than Apple anyway | Dec 15 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | no, Chromium is a much better browser than Safari | Dec 15 16:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | unless sits javascript speed related, its the same as chrome most of the time | Dec 15 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | Google was maintaining their own private rolling fork of Webkit for a while | Dec 15 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | to work around some of Apple's stupidity | Dec 15 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | but now they have maintainer status and roll in their patchset into the upstream Webkit | Dec 15 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | but it means that Safari's Webkit is always behind Chromium | Dec 15 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | way behind | Dec 15 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | and usually behind Qtwebkit and GTKWebkit | Dec 15 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | by a good amount | Dec 15 16:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Liars and Outliers: Enabling the Trust That Society Needs to Thrive : Bruce Schneier : 9781118143308 #books http://goo.gl/B7kHC | Dec 15 16:07 | |
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| DaemonFC | so Safari 5's Webkit matches closest to probably Chrome 10 or 11 | Dec 15 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | because that's where Apple made a private Safari branch for their 5.x releases | Dec 15 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | so anything that's added in Webkit since Safari 5 was out will have to wait around for years until Apple does a Safari 6 | Dec 15 16:08 |
| beenz | appil isn't too smart | Dec 15 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | they don't do rapid releases so their browser is always behind the times | Dec 15 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's not MSIE bad | Dec 15 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | but it is bad | Dec 15 16:08 |
| beenz | using MSIE is like some sort of mental defect | Dec 15 16:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Guys, does anybody know how to configure the proxy in Galaxy Tab Froyo 2.2?? In the settings it does not appear anywhere. Help please ... | Dec 15 16:10 | |
| beenz | websites that still require IE must have maintainers receiving fallacio from Ballsmer | Dec 15 16:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] John #Pilger answers #Obama's claim that US military is "finest fighting force in history" - YouTube #usa #mic http://ur1.ca/6prdc | Dec 15 16:12 | |
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| beenz | "I'll suck yo dick if you use Internet Explorer" - Ballsmer | Dec 15 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65591-Adblock-Plus-betraying-its-users-with-so-called-Acceptable-Ads&p=242224#post242224 | Dec 15 16:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Adblock Plus betraying its users with so-called Acceptable Ads - Page 8 .::. Size~: 69.3 KB | Dec 15 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | The reason for my moving over to Chrome and Chrome Adblock is because there's finally (recent Chrome with override switches) a way to get Chrome Adblock to kill off every ad, every bad element, and every pop under or pop up. | Dec 15 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just so pissed off by the way Firefox is going that this Adblock Plus nonsense from Wladimir Palant has been the last straw and has completely pushed me over the edge. | Dec 15 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | read, comprehend, discuss | Dec 15 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Dec 15 16:14 |
| beenz | I agree | Dec 15 16:14 |
| beenz | I bet you they don't even look for subliminals or user tracking when they allow these "acceptable ads" | Dec 15 16:14 |
| beenz | They are probably being paid by advertisers | Dec 15 16:14 |
| beenz | You know, like Microsoft and its anti spyware tool | Dec 15 16:15 |
| beenz | Pay us, and you're not malware anymore | Dec 15 16:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Stopping SOPA’s Anti-Circumvention - http://bit.ly/tvS4mZ good analysis of particularly dangerous paragraph, aimed at MAFIAAfire & Firefox | Dec 15 16:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Crypto-Gram: December 15, 2011 - #schneier http://goo.gl/eHkAc | Dec 15 16:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @rmack @JPBarlow: #SOPA is the most arrogant act of imperialism in history. It gives Hollywood the right to control all human expression. | Dec 15 16:22 | |
| DaemonFC | Chrome lately has improved, I'll admit that | Dec 15 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome 17 (dev build currently) is a suitable replacement for Firefox | Dec 15 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | just get ready to flip on a bunch of override flags | Dec 15 16:22 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: I found this guy on the PPCA forums: | Dec 15 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | there's some nifty ones in there | Dec 15 16:22 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: "I argue that by funding Microsoft we contribute to genocide. | Dec 15 16:23 |
| XFaCE | Considering that Bill and Melinda fund charities that support vaccines that cause sterility and are contributing to franken genetics programs to weaponize mousquitos...Billy thinks the world is overpopulated and that we need to reduce the population by 90%. | Dec 15 16:23 |
| XFaCE | J" | Dec 15 16:23 |
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| XFaCE | MinceR: I've invited him to the Techrights IRC :D | Dec 15 16:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] BBC News - Top economists reveal their graphs of 2011 - #collapse http://ur1.ca/6prml | Dec 15 16:23 | |
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| *XFaCE gives channel operator status to amarsh04 | Dec 15 16:23 | |
| XFaCE | MinceR: PPCA = Pirate Party of Canada | Dec 15 16:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] "Dan Boneh of Stanford University is teaching a free cryptography class starting in January." http://ur1.ca/664oe vi@bruceschneier | Dec 15 16:28 | |
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| MinceR | interesting | Dec 15 16:30 |
| XFaCE | bbl | Dec 15 16:30 |
| amarsh04 | back in a few | Dec 15 16:31 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Research team finds disk encryption foils law enforcement efforts - #crypto #privacy - GOOD :) vi@bruceschneier http://goo.gl/BuU1E | Dec 15 16:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] In case you didn't notice, we're protesting #SOPA: http://ur1.ca/2jr3q | Dec 15 16:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: Industry calls for true Digital Single Market in recommendations on European Cloud Computing Strategy: http http://p.ost.im/p/eyd48Q | Dec 15 16:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @OpenAIRE_eu: OpenAIREplus (2nd Generation of #OpenAccess eInfrastructure for Research in Europe) was la http://p.ost.im/p/eyRtyb | Dec 15 16:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @OpenAccessEC: Happy to release the analysis of answers to questionnaire on #openaccess policies in Euro http://p.ost.im/p/eyJ7kQ | Dec 15 16:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @OpenAccessEC: European Commission's proposal for #OA in #Horizon2020 is mandatory OA for all publicati http://p.ost.im/p/eUcN3F | Dec 15 16:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Does Altruism Actually Exist? - Alice G. Walton - Health - The Atlantic - #scitek http://goo.gl/UhySC | Dec 15 16:48 | |
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| beenz | 11:23 <@XFaCE> Considering that Bill and Melinda fund charities that support vaccines that cause sterility | Dec 15 16:50 |
| beenz | boom | Dec 15 16:50 |
| beenz | in fact if you look into some of the alternative HIV studies you'll notice it increases population | Dec 15 16:50 |
| beenz | 1/3 of africa is HIV positive, but the population is exploding, not declining | Dec 15 16:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: OCUL:"law must not make it illegal to circumvent a digital lock in order to use..for purposes that do not infringe copyright." | Dec 15 16:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: With Parliament set to break for the holidays later today, daily digital lock dissenter will break as well. Will resume in Jan. | Dec 15 16:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @stephen_taylor: Dear America, please kill #SOPA. Because our copyright laws will mirror yours & we don't wa http://ur1. ... | Dec 15 16:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @LoganCDN: Sorry @ESACanada but as a #gamedev 100% disagree w/ your stance on C-11. Bad bill that only benefits a few | Dec 15 16:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @DaHammerstein: RT @jerezim: #ACTA Adopted By EU Governments, Now in EU Parliament's Hands http://t.co/AJgKHeE9 | Dec 15 16:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @rmack: How #SOPA will hurt the free web and Wikipedia http://t.co/hxcRLb5d #netfreedom | Dec 15 16:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: .@jasonjkee Online fraud, server piracy dealt w/by criminal code. Flexible digital lock rules would not impact either way. 4/7 | Dec 15 16:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: .@jasonjkee As for gov funding, no one entitled to billion in tax credits. Case depends on economic benefits. BUT given ESA ... | Dec 15 16:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: .@jasonjkee Investment decisions based on talent + tax breaks, not TPMs. No one will leave Canada due to an amended C-11. 2/7 | Dec 15 16:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: .@jasonjkee Just catching up. I'm not dismissive of industry. Dismissive of false claims that link TPM rules w/job losses. 1/7 | Dec 15 16:52 | |
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| beenz | only those doing risky things get AIDS | Dec 15 16:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: .@jasonjkee position - directly at odds w/pub funded institutions (edu, libraries) and private sector (retailers, ISPs) 6/7 | Dec 15 16:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: Humble Indie Bundle sells over 200K software bundles in one day - no DRM, purchaser sets price http://t.co/tzXqVc2K | Dec 15 16:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: .@jasonjkee Mod chip sellers a red herring. Debate about circumvention for lawful purposes, not devices or sellers. 3/7 | Dec 15 16:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: The Daily Digital Lock Dissenter, Day 52: Ontario Council of University Libraries http://t.co/el93NVcC | Dec 15 16:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: .@Scott_Simms on C-11:"# of submissions on C-32, 100s; # of changes, 0; political lip service, priceless" http://t.co/eLIVmlDa | Dec 15 16:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @kwerb: OECD endorses principles to promote Internet freedom. A big step forward internationally. http://t.co/Z0IyiVax | Dec 15 16:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: CMCC incl @Cash4TO:"We believe anti-circumvention measures encourage & support use of digital locks & litigation vs. music ... | Dec 15 16:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: For those wondering about recent tweets, relates to this post on false link between C-11 & video game jobs http://t.co/Iwx8qtn2 | Dec 15 16:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: MT @thehartley: Beware of ‘Surveillance by Design’ - Ont. Privacy Commish takes aim at lawful access bill http://t.co/MAEiLpvW | Dec 15 16:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: .@jasonjkee should factor harm your copyright demands would cause to those groups when deciding where our tax dollars go. 7/7 | Dec 15 16:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Sky blocks #Newzbin, important legal and technical questions need answering - http://bit.ly/tQ5jpx not just #sopa: bad stuff in UK, too | Dec 15 16:55 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Slightly Right of Centre: Sky blocks Newzbin, important legal and technical questions need answering .::. Size~: 102.48 KB | Dec 15 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | there's a lot of ways to get HIV without being at fault | Dec 15 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | healthcare workers come into contact with everything, including HIV | Dec 15 16:55 |
| beenz | HIV yes | Dec 15 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | contaminated blood products are rare these days but it still happens sometimes | Dec 15 16:56 |
| beenz | there hasn't been a single record of a health care worker getting aids from that | Dec 15 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | if a child's mother has it while she's pregnant, the kid can be born with it | Dec 15 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | straight people have been wrongly educated bia religious propaganda | Dec 15 16:56 |
| beenz | it's usually IV users who get it | Dec 15 16:56 |
| beenz | a small minority | Dec 15 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | and still treat it like some "gay" thing | Dec 15 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | so they don't bother protecting themselves from it | Dec 15 16:57 |
| beenz | that would be wrong to single out gays | Dec 15 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | straight people actually have a disproportionate amount of new HIV cases | Dec 15 16:57 |
| beenz | there is only a small minority of gays doing risky things | Dec 15 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | because big religion wants to claim it's a "gay disease" | Dec 15 16:57 |
| beenz | its not a gay disease | Dec 15 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | so they are responsible for corrupting education and countless thousands of preventable HIV deaths | Dec 15 16:58 |
| beenz | a lot of my gay friends feel peer pressure to use IV drugs | Dec 15 16:58 |
| beenz | that puts them in a risk category | Dec 15 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | I'm gay, I've never had any kind of STD | Dec 15 16:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Campaign 2012 Newt #Gingrich: Selling Access - #usa #2012elections http://goo.gl/kHn2E http://ur1.ca/6psfj | Dec 15 16:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MT @OpenAccessEC EC's proposal for #Horizon2020 is mandatory #OA for all pubs & experiment OA to data: http://bit.ly/rFqyyt (v @irynakuchma) | Dec 15 16:58 | |
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| beenz | are you shooting yourself up with illegal IV based drugs? | Dec 15 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | I've had scabies once, but that was when I was working as a home health aide and got it from a 90 year old woman | Dec 15 16:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type | Dec 15 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | no | Dec 15 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | people want to assign everything nasty like HIV to gays and minorities to single them out and get people to treat them like plague carriers | Dec 15 16:59 |
| beenz | you should be fine then | Dec 15 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | and most of that is rooted in ignorant religious misinformation | Dec 15 16:59 |
| beenz | its not just gays | Dec 15 17:00 |
| beenz | its people doing stupid risky shit | Dec 15 17:00 |
| beenz | everyone | Dec 15 17:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Mainstream Media Admits Ron Paul is EXPLODING (Today 2012) - YouTube - #ronpaul http://ur1.ca/6psh6 | Dec 15 17:00 | |
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| beenz | people burning their bodies out on drugs | Dec 15 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be more afraid to have sex with my straight female neighbor than the typical gay man you find at a bar, actually | Dec 15 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | so there goes the myth of only gay people being nasty | Dec 15 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | she smokes more sausage than Hickory Farms | Dec 15 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 17:01 |
| beenz | oh you can find nasty people of both sexes | Dec 15 17:01 |
| beenz | go to texas | Dec 15 17:01 |
| beenz | or england | Dec 15 17:01 |
| beenz | texas teeth | Dec 15 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | I think that basing decisions solely on things that have no relevance to the situation is bigoted, and it doesn't matter who is doing it | Dec 15 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh don't hire that black guy, he's lazy and will steal from you and probably do drugs" | Dec 15 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | like there are no white people that do that shit to you | Dec 15 17:02 |
| beenz | http://barelyfoodinc.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/bad-teeth.jpg | Dec 15 17:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Dec 15 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | and like there are no black guys that are hard workers who show up every day and would never steal a thing | Dec 15 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | that's the kind of mindset that people get into | Dec 15 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | anything different is bad | Dec 15 17:03 |
| beenz | what do people think of the president | Dec 15 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | and they have no reason to justify their opinion but stereotype | Dec 15 17:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ridiculous: Lamar Smith Basing His Plan To Massively Regulate The Internet On False Or Misleading Research - http://bit.ly/v1gi6I debunked | Dec 15 17:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | people also like to over apply the bigot label | Dec 15 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | I have nothing against legal immigration from Mexico | Dec 15 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | I do have a problem with someone jumping a fence to get on welfare and the US government doing nothing about it | Dec 15 17:04 |
| beenz | lol | Dec 15 17:05 |
| beenz | now they have underground tunnels with hydrolics | Dec 15 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | I consider illegal immigration like I consider most other crimes against society | Dec 15 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | because it is one | Dec 15 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | if I wanted to pack up and go to Canada, there's a legal framework I'd have to go to | Dec 15 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | in compliance with Canadian laws | Dec 15 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | they're not going to let me run across the border and plant myself on their welfare system | Dec 15 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | but they wag their fingers at Americans who want the same policies that Canadians demand for themselves | Dec 15 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | to protect what they have earned from people who just want to take | Dec 15 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 17:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @normative Maxine Waters commends #SOPA 2.0 as an attempt to "combat online privacy". Well, yes, there is that. >>ha! | Dec 15 17:07 | |
| beenz | what about people escaping from drug lord murderers | Dec 15 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | there's no mass outrage there because they deal with illegal immigration like they should when their government becomes aware of it | Dec 15 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | the US doe s not | Dec 15 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | beenz: If they want to apply for political asylum, there's a legal framework for that | Dec 15 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | if they can show good cause for it | Dec 15 17:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] It's Creative Commons week @WiredUK ! See all articles here: http://ur1.ca/6psp9 | Dec 15 17:08 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't have anything against laws to allow people to flee a government that is persecuting them or failing to protect their lives and property | Dec 15 17:08 |
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| DaemonFC | but I do think they should be required to find work here | Dec 15 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | and contribute to the society that took them in | Dec 15 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | and agree to learn English | Dec 15 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's not unreasonable, they just don't want to bother doing the right thing | Dec 15 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | and if we let that go unchecked, then by extension we should not punish thieves and murderers and vandals | Dec 15 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | which also have a high cost to society | Dec 15 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not anti-immigration, I just think you need to learn English and find a job | Dec 15 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | is that unreasonable? | Dec 15 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | the vast majority of this country speaks English and holds a job | Dec 15 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | why should immigrants be treated to welfare right off the bat when no American really automatically qualifies for anything like that? | Dec 15 17:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @eff anyone mind setting up a bit to have efflive on identica? | Dec 15 17:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] http://ur1.ca/6psrn #sip_and_click sip sip yum | Dec 15 17:12 | |
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| DaemonFC | things would run a lot better if I was calling the shots, but it's hard to see how it could get worse when our government is the result of far right wing Nazis and far left wing Communists slugging it out with some big fat idiot losers having the final say at the voting booth? | Dec 15 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | there's no happy middle, just gridlock and bad compromises | Dec 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | and companies that are allowed to bribe politicians that get things done | Dec 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | and hand them finished bills to introduce into Congressional sessions | Dec 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | the thing is just several different types of really nasty corruption and special interests thrown into a blender | Dec 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | and it becomes a nanny state for everyone except the honest people who work for a living | Dec 15 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | give me a year to reform the government as I see fit | Dec 15 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | and I guarantee you we'd be doing a turn around | Dec 15 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | our government is so bureaucratic | Dec 15 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | a good example is the USDA | Dec 15 17:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How DC Decided To Regulate The Internet To Protect Hollywood From Innovating - http://bit.ly/txdzWT won't somebody think of the florists? | Dec 15 17:17 | |
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| DaemonFC | one part of the USDA has the mission of encouraging Americans to eat right and exercise | Dec 15 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | we've never been fatter | Dec 15 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's because there's another part of the USDA that essentially gives big agriculture and factory farms and GM seed producers anything they want | Dec 15 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | so you have the same industry telling you how much salt you can have, but working with Dominos Pizza to smother everything in enough cheese to kill anything that's ever lived | Dec 15 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | because it's what the dairy industry wants | Dec 15 17:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Is the "ARR" abbreviation for "all rights reserved" intentionally ironic? | Dec 15 17:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The Poor Man’s Guide To Survival Gear - #preppers #bob http://goo.gl/xRTwp | Dec 15 17:18 | |
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| DaemonFC | you can't have a government where every special interest has a seat at the table, and not get government institutions that look like this | Dec 15 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | the CDC and NIH want to promote sex education and sensible public health policies like free condoms and birth control | Dec 15 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | but there's a cabinet level group of Christians that uses the office of the President to promote abstinence | Dec 15 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | which has singlehandedly caused a spike in teenage pregnancies and STDs | Dec 15 17:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] RT @audreywatters: Top Ed-Tech Trends of 2011: "Open" bit.ly/vnYQDA via @hackeducation | Dec 15 17:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Slightly Right of Centre: Sky blocks #Newzbin, important legal and technical questions need answering - #MAFIAA http://goo.gl/Smt2c | Dec 15 17:20 | |
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| DaemonFC | so in nearly every case, the US federal government is trying to do two or more incompatible things at once | Dec 15 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | and some of them are just entirely ignorant or stupid on the face of it and get through anyway | Dec 15 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | immigration is another one | Dec 15 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | some of it gets ignored | Dec 15 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | and the people who bother to work get deported if they complain about conditions | Dec 15 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | because that's what businesses that hire them want | Dec 15 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | the federal government also branches out into areas that are constitutionally denied to them | Dec 15 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | and explicitly granted to the states | Dec 15 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | like drug policy | Dec 15 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing in the constitution that gives the federal government that power or even authorizes the DEA | Dec 15 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | it is, through the tenth amendment, a power reserved for the states, or for the people | Dec 15 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | but you get the DEA anyway and any states or people that defy the DEA get "special attention" ;) | Dec 15 17:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Twitter Propaganda Poster version 1 by Justonescarf on Etsy http://goo.gl/gMw7k | Dec 15 17:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter Propaganda Poster version 1 by Justonescarf on Etsy .::. Size~: 53.23 KB | Dec 15 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | the FBI is constitutional, for their stated purpose, but not for what they end up doing a lot of | Dec 15 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | crimes that cross state lines are federal jurisdiction | Dec 15 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | but the FBI has invited itself to claim jurisdiction over crimes that occur solely within a particular state, without asking the state government for permission to take jurisdiction | Dec 15 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | which is unconstitutional | Dec 15 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | but they get by with it | Dec 15 17:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Judge gives Universal Music 24 hours to explain takedown spree - http://bit.ly/s2UDze more and more fun | Dec 15 17:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Hydrogen Fuel Cell Cars H2ICE Vehicles and Infrastructure - #scitek #auto #energy http://goo.gl/Sb8nt | Dec 15 17:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Judge gives Universal Music 24 hours to explain takedown spree .::. Size~: 34.82 KB | Dec 15 17:27 |
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| DaemonFC | a while ago, laws stopped being used to tell you what you could not do | Dec 15 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | and laws started telling you what you could do | Dec 15 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | and how you can do it | Dec 15 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | which is the opposite of what the writers of the federal constitution had in mind | Dec 15 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | this nonsense has gotten into state politics too | Dec 15 17:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Secret gates of Great Pyramid 'to be opened in 2012', predicts British company | Mail Online - #xfiles http://goo.gl/ef1A0 | Dec 15 17:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Secret gates of Great Pyramid 'to be opened in 2012', predicts British company | Mail Online .::. Size~: 99.43 KB | Dec 15 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | for example, the Indiana constitution has a right to possess firearms | Dec 15 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | no state law has ever prohibited you from having them in your car as long as you have a carry permit | Dec 15 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | but now they draw up laws to "give you the right" to carry guns in your car if you have a permit, even though it was never illegal in the first place | Dec 15 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | so they're giving you a right you already had | Dec 15 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | which is a ridiculous misuse of the legal system | Dec 15 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | it's kind of implied that I have the right to hop on one foot while whistling row row row your boat | Dec 15 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | but apparently I need a law telling me I can do that now | Dec 15 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 17:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Grooveshark to be sued by Warner and Sony - http://bit.ly/sVxRof I've heard this one before... | Dec 15 17:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Judge gives #UniversalMusic 24 hours to explain takedown spree http://goo.gl/IrGQ0 | Dec 15 17:32 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Grooveshark to be sued by Warner and Sony — Tech News and Analysis .::. Size~: 67.42 KB | Dec 15 17:32 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] At #Universal's Request, #YouTube Yanks News Podcast Over Music Snippet http://goo.gl/HlrBH | Dec 15 17:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Behind The Scenes: How DC Decided To Regulate The Internet To Protect Hollywood From Innovating http://goo.gl/Ic6DQ | Dec 15 17:35 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Behind The Scenes: How DC Decided To Regulate The Internet To Protect Hollywood From Innovating | Techdirt .::. Size~: 56.04 KB | Dec 15 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65591-Adblock-Plus-betraying-its-users-with-so-called-Acceptable-Ads&p=242237#post242237 | Dec 15 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Adblock Plus betraying its users with so-called Acceptable Ads - Page 9 .::. Size~: 46.44 KB | Dec 15 17:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Lessig On The Daily Show: The #Corruption And #Extortion Of Congress http://goo.gl/1LqHj | Dec 15 17:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] it looks like I need to go shopping for a 4g microSD card in order to test Mer on my N900. Any suggestions? | Dec 15 17:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Ok, I found out how to do it. | Dec 15 17:48 | |
| DaemonFC | I haven't looked into KDE 3.5 on OpenSuse 12.1 | Dec 15 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | is that actually just 3.5.10, or is it Trinity or what? | Dec 15 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | I'm struggling to see the point of keeping a KDE 3.5 fork around | Dec 15 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | you'll need to use KDE 4 and QT4 software in some cases | Dec 15 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | KDE 3.5 depends on a lot of software with no upstream, like aRts and Qt 3 | Dec 15 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | and many parts of it are being patched to work in configurations they were not meant to work with | Dec 15 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | like networkmanager | Dec 15 17:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Here’s a Cop #Tasing a 14-Year-Old Girl While She Puts Her Hands Up - http://gaw.kr/rVu1gV just another hero... | Dec 15 17:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @evan woo, this downtime is actually planned :D | Dec 15 17:52 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Here's a Cop Tasing a 14-Year-Old Girl While She Puts Her Hands Up .::. Size~: 80.59 KB | Dec 15 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | networkmanager is not meant for KDE 3 | Dec 15 17:52 |
| iophk | Skip OpenSuse | Dec 15 17:52 |
| iophk | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_SUSE_and_OpenSUSE | Dec 15 17:52 |
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| DaemonFC | there's a Trinity PPA for Kubuntu | Dec 15 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | which apparently installs alongside KDE 4 | Dec 15 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't had a strong urge to try it though | Dec 15 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | something tells me it's retro and has a lot of hacks | Dec 15 17:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Get Your War On vs #SOPA - http://bit.ly/vBqfQA nice | Dec 15 17:53 | |
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| DaemonFC | "Ported tqtinterface, arts, kdelibs, kdebase, kdeartwork, kdesdk, kdegraphics, kdepim, kdenetwork, kwebdev, and kdevelop to CMake." | Dec 15 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Dec 15 17:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Report: Harmful Chimpanzee Research Not Worth the Pain - http://bit.ly/sK5qGo too right | Dec 15 17:55 | |
| DaemonFC | what were they using? still autocrap? | Dec 15 17:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Report: Harmful Chimpanzee Research Not Worth the Pain | Wired Science | Wired.com .::. Size~: 65.81 KB | Dec 15 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | I need to "port" I Hate The Cashew to Kubuntu | Dec 15 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | if you can call running the Fedora RPM through alien "porting" it | Dec 15 17:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Too funny> ACTION ALERT: Stop Lowe's from using Arabic Numerals http://www.ur1.ca/6pupf > humour is a great educator via @ninapaley | Dec 15 17:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Cool hack, run Tor on your TV, http://ur1.ca/6putc | Dec 15 18:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @torproject Cool hack, run Tor on your TV, http://ur1.ca/6putc | Dec 15 18:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @basilgohar !Ogg !Theora stream of the SOPA proceedings: http://ur1.ca/6pupb plays in !Firefox | Dec 15 18:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Get Your War On vs #SOPA - http://bit.ly/vBqfQA nice | Dec 15 18:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Internet Engineers to Congress: SOPA censorship will harm Internet security http://identi.ca/url/62490480 !eff | Dec 15 18:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Why SOPA is unconstitutional http://identi.ca/url/62490502 !eff | Dec 15 18:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Everybody who's anybody hates SOPA http://identi.ca/url/62490518 !eff | Dec 15 18:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Stopping SOPA's Anticircumvention http://identi.ca/url/62490567 !eff | Dec 15 18:02 | |
| beenz | 12:50 <+DaemonFC> I'm struggling to see the point of keeping a KDE 3.5 fork around | Dec 15 18:04 |
| beenz | old computers im guessing | Dec 15 18:04 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @glynmoody Cop #Tasing a 14-Year-Old Girl While She Puts Her Hands Up - http://gaw.kr/rVu1gV just another hero... < #policeoutofcontrol | Dec 15 18:05 | |
| beenz | its better to have KDE 3.5 floating around than people clinging to Doze XP | Dec 15 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's not that much more efficient | Dec 15 18:06 |
| beenz | it sure is | Dec 15 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | I meant vs modern KDE | Dec 15 18:06 |
| beenz | KDE4 uses ~500mb ram | Dec 15 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | with Trinity you end up loading more toolkit libraries | Dec 15 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | and you end up running DCOP and DBUS side by side | Dec 15 18:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Judge gives Universal Music 24 hours to explain takedown spree http://identi.ca/url/62490799 !eff | Dec 15 18:07 | |
| beenz | http://www.phoronix.com/data/img/results/linux_desktop_vitals/5.png | Dec 15 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | where's the article with context? | Dec 15 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | and you do realize this was three major KDE releases ago | Dec 15 18:08 |
| beenz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_vitals&num=2 | Dec 15 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | with an old version of Qt no doubt | Dec 15 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Kubuntu 10.04 | Dec 15 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | go figure | Dec 15 18:09 |
| beenz | phoronix has a hard on for *buntu | Dec 15 18:09 |
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| DaemonFC | he'd probably get better results for KDE across the board | Dec 15 18:09 |
| beenz | it might be worth running these same tests on another OS, and with more DE's | Dec 15 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | if he used KDE 4.7.x and Qt 4.7, if not the 4.8 builds | Dec 15 18:09 |
| beenz | i might email larabee and ask him to update this | Dec 15 18:10 |
| beenz | ask him to include trinity | Dec 15 18:10 |
| beenz | im just guessing but i think trinity or kde 3.5 will be lower than LXDE's numbers | Dec 15 18:10 |
| beenz | people were using kde 3.5 when 512mb of ram was a lot | Dec 15 18:11 |
| beenz | 3.x | Dec 15 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | Lucid is using Qt 4.6.2 | Dec 15 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | Oneiric uses Qt 4.7.4 | Dec 15 18:12 |
| beenz | i might do some tests of my own | Dec 15 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora 16 is using Qt 4.8 | Dec 15 18:12 |
| beenz | i have the hardware to measure power usage too | Dec 15 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | I know 4.7 and 4.8 both came with memory footprint reductions | Dec 15 18:13 |
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| beenz | yeah but how does it compare against 3.x | Dec 15 18:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Iceland formally recognizes Palestinian state - #Palestine http://ur1.ca/6pv5z | Dec 15 18:13 | |
| beenz | 4.x had a lot of major changes and I would expect it to use more memory than 3.x | Dec 15 18:14 |
| beenz | they did add code that made Qt friendly on windoze | Dec 15 18:14 |
| beenz | could be leaking because of it ;) | Dec 15 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes those things that use more memory enable the entire library to perform better | Dec 15 18:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] SNCF launches a debate on open transport data in France - http://bit.ly/vIqta0 they need a debate? #opendata #france | Dec 15 18:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Indefinite detention: 'Architecture of fascist state' — RT - #usa #ndaa #policestate http://goo.gl/YSyLz | Dec 15 18:15 | |
| DaemonFC | like raster graphics support | Dec 15 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Qt3 doesn't have that | Dec 15 18:15 |
| beenz | that is true | Dec 15 18:15 |
| beenz | on an old computer though you might want less memory used | Dec 15 18:16 |
| beenz | no fast cpu to make up for it and lacking the graphics cards | Dec 15 18:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] How James #Murdoch's phone-hacking cover-ups went belly-up http://gu.com/p/34595 #NI #NOTW | Dec 15 18:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Despite being 10 years old, Windows XP still running on third of all computers - http://tnw.co/scq2L2 tells you something about later stuff | Dec 15 18:17 | |
| beenz | i know someone running an old linux pc with an old linux distro for some games that dont run on new distros | Dec 15 18:17 |
| beenz | he says sometimes it seems faster to run redhat 9 than current stuff | Dec 15 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | well, performance is a tricky thing | Dec 15 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | using less memory doesn't mean it performs better on a system with lots of memory | Dec 15 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | but it does probably mean better performance on a memory constrained system | Dec 15 18:18 |
| beenz | yeah thats the way it is | Dec 15 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | if you compared Qt 3 and 4 on a system from 2004, you'd probably go "ZOMG, Qt4 is slow!!!!" | Dec 15 18:19 |
| beenz | people dont care about memory usage anymore when writing apps | Dec 15 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | but if you compared them on a modern computer, I think Qt4 would pull ahead by a significant margin | Dec 15 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | because it's not wasting memory | Dec 15 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's using it to enable something that improves performance elsewhere | Dec 15 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | if you have plenty of memory, Qt4 will likely be faster | Dec 15 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | people also fail to account for things like caches | Dec 15 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | which makes the software faster at the cost of using more memory | Dec 15 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | the moral of the story is that instead of clinging on to your budget craputer from 10 years ago, bite the bullet | Dec 15 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | even the cheapest no name Walmart PC of today will likely run rings around the shit box you are clinging onto with Windows XP or ancient KDE and Linux kernel or whatever | Dec 15 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | then it becomes less of an issue even if the software is truly bloated, rather than merely perceived to be bloated to the untrained eye and a system monitor | Dec 15 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | I think more often than not, the perception of bloat is worse than the true amount of bloat | Dec 15 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | because it's usually using that extra memory so that something else works better than it would otherwise | Dec 15 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | I set my file system driver to use like 4 times the memory for its various caches than what it defaults to | Dec 15 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | because it means less disk activity and faster performance | Dec 15 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | it is not ZOMGBLOAT | Dec 15 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | but, 15 years ago, most systems came with less RAM than I am giving to my file system caches alone on my modern PC | Dec 15 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | so such a cache size would have had an impossible memory requirement | Dec 15 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | so it never happened | Dec 15 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Dec 15 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | how many other file systems as old as XFS are still around and widely used? | Dec 15 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | not many | Dec 15 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | when you build software around the limits of current hardware instead of looking forward, you've baked in obsolescence | Dec 15 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | Qt 3 is obsolete because it was built around hardware that people were using 10 years ago | Dec 15 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | such hardware limits no longer exist, but Qt3 doesn't know that and wasn't designed for this | Dec 15 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | so it's trash | Dec 15 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | Trinity seems more like an experiment in dumpster diving for obsolete code | Dec 15 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | my step dad has that mentality that I think the Trinity people do | Dec 15 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | so he never gets rid of anything and has a rented storage unit which is occupied by things like old VHS tapes | Dec 15 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | in 1994, you would not be able to use the XFS file system on a typical PC | Dec 15 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | it was built to exceed the limitations of any storage available in 1994 many times over | Dec 15 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | and it demanded so much in the way of resources that almost nothing but $10,000+ SGI equipment could even use it | Dec 15 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | now you can use it on a PC you bought at Walmart for $200 | Dec 15 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | and it will work well | Dec 15 18:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Vancouver Sun: Opinion: Lying politicians undermine the currency of democracy http://www.ur1.ca/6pviv !CDNpoli | Dec 15 18:28 | |
| DaemonFC | forward looking nature of XFS means it's still around and kicking ass | Dec 15 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | the original Ext file system is nowhere to be found | Dec 15 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | even though it dates back to the same time period, it was designed around crappy PCs and tiny hard drives | Dec 15 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | and was not meant to do better | Dec 15 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | so Ext filesystems have had 4 generations of incompatible extensions (and it was designed originally to be a lot like the old Berkeley Fast File System from the 1980s) | Dec 15 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | and people who insist on using it are in for a lot of pain every few years when storage and PC limitations go up again and you have another round of incompatible disk format changes to Ext* to cope with it | Dec 15 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | while XFS's on disk format is the same now as it was on IRIX in 1994 | Dec 15 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | software that isn't forward looking is constantly having to have rewrites and changes that break compatibility | Dec 15 18:31 |
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| DaemonFC | and only so that it uses slightly less resources now with no concern over what people will be stuck doing to work around it in 5 years | Dec 15 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | 10 years | Dec 15 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | 20 years | Dec 15 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | so Ext* is a poster child of non forward-looking design with many generations of painful incompatible changes | Dec 15 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | because they don't leave themselves anywhere to go | Dec 15 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | I think they have their heads up their asses | Dec 15 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | to be honest | Dec 15 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | even Ext4 doesn't scale to XFS, so the next time storage demands go up, it means risking a conversion gone wrong and losing everything | Dec 15 18:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Salon: "Obama to sign indefinite detention bill into law" @ggreenwald http://www.ur1.ca/6pvlu #USA #freedom !injustice | Dec 15 18:33 | |
| DaemonFC | or giving up and formatting a new partition | Dec 15 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | and living with the problems of lots of untested file system code, again | Dec 15 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | it's like admitting that version 0.8 is followed by version 0.8, which is followed by version 0.8 | Dec 15 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | The Ext* people have sacrificed too much on the altar of squeezing the last little bit of oomph out of current hardware limitations | Dec 15 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | and their users get to suffer for it | Dec 15 18:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Despite being 10 years old, Windows XP still running on third of all computers - http://tnw.co/scq2L2 tells you something ... | Dec 15 18:35 | |
| DaemonFC | *scale to where XFS does | Dec 15 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | is what I meant :P | Dec 15 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | Qt and GTK have that problem too | Dec 15 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | they don't look out and plan for what is coming and so they make a major API breaking change every several years | Dec 15 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | that gets their users tearing their hair out | Dec 15 18:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @neptune78 RT: @PaulBarksdale #Grooveshark to face lawsuit from #Warner, #Sony: report: http://tinyurl.com/82kfwle | Dec 15 18:37 | |
| DaemonFC | Qt and KDE version 5 will be out soon, without any major API breakage | Dec 15 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | a simple rebuild against the new toolkit and you're back in business | Dec 15 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | no silliness like last time, where you needed Qt3 and 4 side by side | Dec 15 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | or what's going on now with GTK 2 and 3 | Dec 15 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | Qt and KDE only seem larger because they're more forward looking than they used to be | Dec 15 18:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] All #preppers out there be advised that #Surefire supports #NDAA http://goo.gl/Fav58 | Dec 15 18:38 | |
| DaemonFC | if you don't like forward looking software, you're welcome to keep inside the upgrade trap with Ext filesystems while you're at it | Dec 15 18:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] CBC: Senate in no rush to pass omnibus crime bill http://www.ur1.ca/6pvrv > which is not to say it won't happen | Dec 15 18:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Why Canada Needs the Senate: Omnibus Crime Bill: Oh !Canada http://www.ur1.ca/6n7kj !CDNpoli | Dec 15 18:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Crowdcritiquing & art: http://blog.ninapaley.com/2011/12/15/more-zizzy-color/ @ninapaley learns what @joshwoodward already knows :) #brave | Dec 15 18:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @cwebber http://www.thingiverse.com/derivative:18029 YOW! Now that is a cool print. | Dec 15 18:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @parlementum Happy Bill of Rights Day! Too bad it looks like it will be the last one for the US. RIP Bill of Rights. | Dec 15 18:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @crosbie If there was an auto-repeat/retweet feature, I can only think of one name I'd add at the moment: @GlynMoody Who would YOU s ... | Dec 15 18:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] How does SOPA affect Tor? Wendy lays out the risks, http://ur1.ca/6pw2k | Dec 15 18:52 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to _Goblin | Dec 15 18:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Some qualcomm snapdragons got !GLONASS http://nd.gd/05l e.g Galaxy S2 @nj3ma @kelzOKO @flintsoul @fredmanglis @RamanusAsango @DennisMungai | Dec 15 18:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @torproject How does SOPA affect Tor? Wendy lays out the risks, http://ur1.ca/6pw2k | Dec 15 18:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @forteller RT @doctorow: China really likes #SOPA and blocks anti-SOPA sites like http://ur1.ca/5qk5a | Dec 15 18:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @forteller Great news! #Facebook will run its huge data centers on clean energy instead of coal! http://is.gd/aLDCNx #Twitter next? O ... | Dec 15 18:57 | |
| DaemonFC | a lot of software is only designed with the next 5 years in mind | Dec 15 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | when it's something like a filesystem, I think they should try their best to design it with the next 30+ years in mind | Dec 15 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | you could format a disk with IRIX from 1994, mount the partition unchanged on Linux, and then go back to using it with IRIX from 1994 | Dec 15 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's scary when companies like Google are so afraid of progress that they standardize on something like Ext2 and only now consider an upgrade | Dec 15 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | and claim they chose Ext4 because it has a clean upgrade path unless it doesn't | Dec 15 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 18:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Interesting that !Facebook is more responsive to environment concerns than !Canadian gov't http://www.ur1.ca/6pw7y #greenenergy !CDNpoli | Dec 15 19:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @crosbie: If there was an auto-repeat feature, I can only think of 1 name I'd add at the moment: @GlynMoody Who would YOU auto-Repeat? | Dec 15 19:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Vladimir #Putin calls John #McCain 'nuts' in outspoken attack - Telegraph - #usa #russia http://goo.gl/TDK9l | Dec 15 19:02 | |
| DaemonFC | John McCain: So crazy even the Russians step back and tilt their heads | Dec 15 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | Mr McCain’s tweet read: "Dear Vlad, The Arab Spring is coming to a neighbourhood near you." | Dec 15 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | I hate it when they change the spelling | Dec 15 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | it kind of makes it, less than a quote | Dec 15 19:03 |
| beenz | change what spelling | Dec 15 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | neighborhood | Dec 15 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | to neighbourhood | Dec 15 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | they're not quoting a British English speaker | Dec 15 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | leave the spelling alone | Dec 15 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 19:05 |
| beenz | i wouldnt worry about it too much | Dec 15 19:05 |
| beenz | the internet will do enough damage to the english language | Dec 15 19:05 |
| beenz | our americanisms are the least of peoples problems | Dec 15 19:06 |
| beenz | in the future both will be valid as well as other changes as it becomes a world standard | Dec 15 19:07 |
| beenz | might not even keep the name english | Dec 15 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | ISO | Dec 15 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | that's another thing | Dec 15 19:08 |
| beenz | who knows we might not even need a standard language | Dec 15 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | if I was running the US, we'd withdraw from the ISO | Dec 15 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | and return to using ANSI | Dec 15 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | oh well | Dec 15 19:08 |
| beenz | internet contacts will give you subtitles in augmented reality, in realtime | Dec 15 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | there's a price for voluntarily surrendering your sovereignty | Dec 15 19:09 |
| beenz | that'll be funny | Dec 15 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | it may not always be apparently at the time | Dec 15 19:09 |
| beenz | subtitles in real life | Dec 15 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | *apparent | Dec 15 19:09 |
| beenz | i wonder if i can setup the internet contacts to translate in pirate | Dec 15 19:10 |
| beenz | :) | Dec 15 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | oh, I would turn the Department of Justice on the MAFIAA | Dec 15 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | through executive order | Dec 15 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | instructing them to pursue criminal and civil investigations against them | Dec 15 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | racketeering, price fixing, illegal monopoly, bribing US politicians to pass laws favoring them | Dec 15 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | really, the politicians that sign off on that should be prosecuted for something too | Dec 15 19:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Yeah, HN had a thread about it. | Dec 15 19:12 | |
| DaemonFC | the constitution has an equal protection clause | Dec 15 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | making laws to benefit one person or a particular company, I feel, are anti-constitutional | Dec 15 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | I would also, through executive order, instruct the USPTO to not issue patents on software design or mathematic formulas | Dec 15 19:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @lmacken If you know Python and are interested in a job working on the Fedora Project, send me your resume. | Dec 15 19:13 | |
| DaemonFC | contrary to what Obama wants you to believe, that is within the scope of his constitutionally granted authority | Dec 15 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | he wants to pretend it's not him doing this and it's all Congress's fault | Dec 15 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | and it is not | Dec 15 19:14 |
| beenz | you'll have people talking in klingon in real life im sure and those who dont understand will think they are watching star trek | Dec 15 19:15 |
| beenz | lol | Dec 15 19:15 |
| beenz | subtitles in their native language | Dec 15 19:15 |
| beenz | the future is going to be amazing | Dec 15 19:15 |
| beenz | total recall will be true, the glass windows that can change the view of your outside | Dec 15 19:15 |
| beenz | "my yard is boring" "show me the eiffel tower instead" | Dec 15 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | American software design patents are not protecting the American economy | Dec 15 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | they're giving a boon to foreign competition | Dec 15 19:15 |
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| DaemonFC | Unity 4.26 is out | Dec 15 19:19 |
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| DaemonFC | not packaged for anything yet though | Dec 15 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/4.26.0 | Dec 15 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | many bugs fixed | Dec 15 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | will end up in Oneiric | Dec 15 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65591-Adblock-Plus-betraying-its-users-with-so-called-Acceptable-Ads&p=242242#post242242 | Dec 15 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose you could print to PDF, open it in LibreOffice, meticulously fix the formatting problems and sanitize it of ads, and then send it to your printer. | Dec 15 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | You could also make coffee by building a greenhouse, planting seeds, waiting for the plant to mature, removing the seed pods one at a time, roasting them, grinding them yourself, and then preparing the beverage from there. | Dec 15 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 19:25 |
| MinceR | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/london/google-8216glitch-returns-swearing-if-you-8216define-an-english-person/1631 | Dec 15 19:25 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is jpope from micro.jpope.org with 67 dents! | Dec 15 19:27 | |
| DaemonFC | "Do not attempt to cross water-covered bridges, dips, or low-water crossings. " | Dec 15 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wW6rENTfaU | Dec 15 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | thios was "children's programming" when I was a kid | Dec 15 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | now people have decided to be pussies again | Dec 15 19:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Former DHS Assistant Secretary Stewart Baker On SOPA 2.0: Still A Disaster For Cybersecurity - http://bit.ly/vapPvL superbly clear | Dec 15 19:33 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Microsoft-opens-Messenger-up-to-XMPP-1396024.html | Dec 15 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | EEEXMPP | Dec 15 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Dec 15 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish | Dec 15 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | XMPP has gotten to the point where Microsoft has to "support" it despite wanting to push their secret MSNP protocol | Dec 15 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what they'll do to subvert their implementation of XMPP | Dec 15 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | " Microsoft has, though, also implemented a custom OAuth2 authentication scheme which means that developers will have to add support for that authentication mechanism and obtain an application ID and secret. That requirement also stops existing XMPP clients from connecting to the Microsoft service without modifications. Microsoft has published a "Getting started" guide and code samples for developers on the Windows Live MSDN site." | Dec 15 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | I guess that answers it | Dec 15 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | means that the most popular way of using this, if it ever gets to open source clients at all, will be to figure out a way to spoof Kopete or Telepathy or Pidgin as a version of Windows Live Messenger | Dec 15 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | which is an awful lot of work to use a Microsoft XMPP server | Dec 15 19:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] My collection of pages on writing Wikipedia articles http://ur1.ca/6pxfy | Dec 15 19:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] No, I didn't | Dec 15 19:48 | |
| MinceR | lol, m$ getting desperate | Dec 15 19:49 |
| MinceR | "please, come back to m$n" | Dec 15 19:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @jxself Now it's time to replace it with http://ur1.ca/6o6b7 | Dec 15 19:50 | |
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| beenz | boom | Dec 15 19:55 |
| beenz | I can't wait for native sasl support in irc clients | Dec 15 19:55 |
| beenz | this is getting to be a hacky mess | Dec 15 19:55 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] !android smartphones to cost < $40 http://nd.gd/05k /cc @nj3ma @kelzOKO @flintsoul @DennisMungai @RamanusAsango @fredmanglis @mosesmutuku | Dec 15 20:02 | |
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| schestowitz | I'm gonna be out the rest of the night. Meeting the fourth girls in three weeks, trying to find one who appreciates activism more than zodiac signs and other nonsense. Back to posting blog posts tomorrow. | Dec 15 20:07 |
| beenz | not a lot of girls do | Dec 15 20:09 |
| beenz | good luck | Dec 15 20:09 |
| goblin-netbook | wow.....what a statement to come back to my keyboard and see........ | Dec 15 20:10 |
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| beenz | he should take my advice from yesterday and just say hes a sign that matches | Dec 15 20:11 |
| beenz | since its nonsense | Dec 15 20:11 |
| beenz | might as well get laid | Dec 15 20:11 |
| goblin-netbook | unless he doesnt know what sign matches what | Dec 15 20:11 |
| *XFaCE gives voice to amarsh04 | Dec 15 20:11 | |
| *XFaCE gives channel operator status to tessier | Dec 15 20:11 | |
| *XFaCE gives voice to beenz | Dec 15 20:11 | |
| *XFaCE gives voice to koolhead17 | Dec 15 20:11 | |
| *XFaCE gives voice to goblin-netbook | Dec 15 20:11 | |
| *XFaCE gives channel operator status to goblin-netbook | Dec 15 20:11 | |
| *XFaCE gives voice to TRT | Dec 15 20:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security updates for Thursday http://ur1.ca/6py2n | Dec 15 20:12 | |
| DaemonFC | http://daemonfc.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/microsoft-gets-ready-to-attempt-to-embrace-extend-and-exterminate-the-open-xmpp-standard/ | Dec 15 20:13 |
| goblin-netbook | I'm pleased I'm married with a family....couldnt be bothered with all that dating politics. | Dec 15 20:13 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Yaayy! yeahyeahyeah yayyy! yeahyeahyeahyeahyeah | Dec 15 20:14 |
| XFaCE | goblin-netbook: I just never date ever pretty much | Dec 15 20:15 |
| goblin-netbook | I wouldn't know where to start | Dec 15 20:15 |
| XFaCE | Actually, scratch pretty much | Dec 15 20:15 |
| XFaCE | goblin-netbook: I know | Dec 15 20:15 |
| goblin-netbook | don't have to worry about such things though..... | Dec 15 20:16 |
| cubezzz | XFaCE, ah you're on the road to becoming a Stallmanite already :) | Dec 15 20:16 |
| goblin-netbook | heres a question for you all........ | Dec 15 20:16 |
| XFaCE | goblin-netbook: Likewise, for a different reasons | Dec 15 20:16 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: Oh god now | Dec 15 20:16 |
| XFaCE | no | Dec 15 20:16 |
| goblin-netbook | how come the colour "Skull white" is whiter than "Bleached Bone" shouldn't it be the other way around? | Dec 15 20:16 |
| *XFaCE fistfights cubezzz. Big Struggle! | Dec 15 20:16 | |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Dec 15 20:16 |
| XFaCE | goblin-netbook: Good question | Dec 15 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | http://daemonfc.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/microsoft-gets-ready-to-attempt-to-embrace-extend-and-exterminate-the-open-xmpp-standard/ | Dec 15 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | had to add something to the bottom | Dec 15 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Dec 15 20:17 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: We heard you the first time | Dec 15 20:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @zahra: "Filling empty sectors into my life." | Dec 15 20:17 | |
| goblin-netbook | Thats the Warhammer paints......... | Dec 15 20:17 |
| cubezzz | this is embrace and extend... round 2! | Dec 15 20:17 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: Fortunately, Windoesnot Messenger sucks now | Dec 15 20:18 |
| XFaCE | I don't believe they have any sort of monopoly on it | Dec 15 20:18 |
| beenz | anyone still using msn is a tool | Dec 15 20:18 |
| cubezzz | eh? | Dec 15 20:18 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: I think this will be just as successful as the ODF support in Office has been at hurting LibreOffice | Dec 15 20:18 |
| cubezzz | what about for work beenz? | Dec 15 20:19 |
| XFaCE | Which, from what I can tell, has not done that all | Dec 15 20:19 |
| schestowitz | beenz: yah | Dec 15 20:19 |
| schestowitz | can do both | Dec 15 20:19 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: People use MSN for work? Are you sure you don't mean screwing around at work? | Dec 15 20:19 |
| cubezzz | well, one good thing... my latest customer is willing to go dual boot: Win xp/ Fedora 14 | Dec 15 20:20 |
| cubezzz | so that's an improvement | Dec 15 20:20 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: Next level is a VM | Dec 15 20:20 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: Keep progressing | Dec 15 20:20 |
| cubezzz | XFaCE, for personally use I don't touch windows at all | Dec 15 20:20 |
| goblin-netbook | bleached bone is nearly biege | Dec 15 20:20 |
| cubezzz | for personal use | Dec 15 20:21 |
| cubezzz | I'd rather be working on amiga but that doesn't pay the bills | Dec 15 20:22 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: I meant your latest customer :P | Dec 15 20:22 |
| cubezzz | XFaCE, not sure why you're talking about MSN | Dec 15 20:22 |
| XFaCE | goblin-netbook: you're still going on about that? | Dec 15 20:22 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: Uhh, that's the topic started by DaemonFC ? | Dec 15 20:22 |
| goblin-netbook | bout what? | Dec 15 20:22 |
| cubezzz | XFaCE, don't remember :) | Dec 15 20:22 |
| XFaCE | goblin-netbook: Your f__ing colours | Dec 15 20:23 |
| goblin-netbook | Er, no? Only made two lines... | Dec 15 20:23 |
| goblin-netbook | haven't mentioned it again..... | Dec 15 20:23 |
| XFaCE | goblin-netbook: Seems like a novel to me | Dec 15 20:23 |
| goblin-netbook | you must read very short books | Dec 15 20:24 |
| *sebsebseb (~3seb@unaffiliated/sebsebseb) has joined #techrights | Dec 15 20:24 | |
| sebsebseb | hi | Dec 15 20:24 |
| *cubezzz introduces XFaCE to War and Peace | Dec 15 20:24 | |
| XFaCE | goblin-netbook: Oh yeah? Well you're just a poopy head. | Dec 15 20:24 |
| *XFaCE gives voice to sebsebseb | Dec 15 20:24 | |
| goblin-netbook | 28 words in total I think | Dec 15 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | Today I brought laods of books and so on | Dec 15 20:25 |
| sebsebseb | including the one about guess who? | Dec 15 20:25 |
| goblin-netbook | Tony Blair? | Dec 15 20:26 |
| goblin-netbook | ;) | Dec 15 20:26 |
| XFaCE | sebsebseb: Linus? Bill? Steve? Steve? Richard? Eric? Jono? | Dec 15 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | XFaCE: Steve? | Dec 15 20:26 |
| XFaCE | sebsebseb: George? Barack? Margaret? Bill? | Dec 15 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | Which Steve? | Dec 15 20:26 |
| XFaCE | sebsebseb: I clearly included both | Dec 15 20:26 |
| XFaCE | Oh wait | Dec 15 20:26 |
| XFaCE | Steve? Steve? Steve? | Dec 15 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | Which Eric, Which Linux :D, Which Richard :D, which Eric, and wich Jono :D? | Dec 15 20:27 |
| goblin-netbook | Austin? | Dec 15 20:27 |
| XFaCE | Vladamir? | Dec 15 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | oh I put Linux instead of Linux above by mistake | Dec 15 20:27 |
| goblin-netbook | 316.... I just whipped your a$$ | Dec 15 20:27 |
| XFaCE | goblin-netbook: If that was directed toward me, well ===> You | Dec 15 20:28 |
| XFaCE | 8===> | Dec 15 20:28 |
| goblin-netbook | er no... | Dec 15 20:28 |
| goblin-netbook | Steve Austin? | Dec 15 20:28 |
| goblin-netbook | the WWE Wrestler..? | Dec 15 20:28 |
| goblin-netbook | I thought we were guessing which steve book sebsebseb bought? | Dec 15 20:28 |
| cubezzz | I was thinking 6 million dollar man :) | Dec 15 20:28 |
| XFaCE | goblin-netbook: Oh, disregard then. | Dec 15 20:28 |
| beenz | http://hockeybroads.com/threads/29850-Please-read-A-personal-appeal-from-Wikipedia-researcher-Maryana-Pinchuk | Dec 15 20:28 |
| beenz | hahahaha | Dec 15 20:28 |
| XFaCE | sebsebseb: Just tell us for crying out loud | Dec 15 20:28 |
| goblin-netbook | cubezzz, good answer....yes the original austin | Dec 15 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | goblin-netbook: Who's Stevve Austin? | Dec 15 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | XFaCE: well some of you might be ashamed of me when I say heh heh | Dec 15 20:29 |
| goblin-netbook | WWE Wrestler. | Dec 15 20:29 |
| beenz | she kind of looks like one of those 'greys' in human form | Dec 15 20:29 |
| XFaCE | bbl | Dec 15 20:29 |
| goblin-netbook | Austin 3:16 - "I just whipped your a$$"... it was his catchphrase | Dec 15 20:29 |
| goblin-netbook | Steve Vai? | Dec 15 20:30 |
| goblin-netbook | excellent guitarist...taught by Joe Satriani | Dec 15 20:30 |
| sebsebseb | goblin-netbook: nope | Dec 15 20:30 |
| goblin-netbook | "Bad Horsie"....one of his best tracks if memory serves | Dec 15 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | also who's Steve Austin? | Dec 15 20:31 |
| goblin-netbook | see above.... | Dec 15 20:31 |
| goblin-netbook | a wrestler | Dec 15 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | goblin-netbook: anyway gave a hint above, some of yiou might be ashamed of me, for buying this book heh hehh | Dec 15 20:31 |
| goblin-netbook | sorry..... | Dec 15 20:32 |
| goblin-netbook | can't think of any more steves ;) | Dec 15 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | goblin-netbook: I think you can | Dec 15 20:32 |
| goblin-netbook | oh hang on........ | Dec 15 20:32 |
| goblin-netbook | Yep got it.... | Dec 15 20:33 |
| goblin-netbook | Shaking Stevens..... | Dec 15 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | hmm? | Dec 15 20:33 |
| goblin-netbook | Great rock.pop act from the 80's | Dec 15 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | uh no | Dec 15 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | and are you mjoking me, or are you really this bad at guessing? | Dec 15 20:33 |
| goblin-netbook | ah | Dec 15 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | "108 improvements and bug fixes available in Qt Commercial 4.8.0 that are not part of the LGPL release." | Dec 15 20:33 |
| goblin-netbook | Steven Hawkins | Dec 15 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | goblin-netbook: nope | Dec 15 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | wonder if that just means they pulled patches from the trunk | Dec 15 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: I bought a book about a Steve today, and well some of you may be ashamed of me for buying this book heh heh | Dec 15 20:34 |
| goblin-netbook | what was the incredible hulks real name...??>>? was he a steven? | Dec 15 20:34 |
| goblin-netbook | oh no | Dec 15 20:34 |
| goblin-netbook | David Banner...... | Dec 15 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: so which Steve am I on about, any ideas? | Dec 15 20:34 |
| goblin-netbook | ah.... I know | Dec 15 20:35 |
| goblin-netbook | Dr Death Steve Williams....... I should not have forgotten him..... | Dec 15 20:35 |
| goblin-netbook | great wrestler in the IWA | Dec 15 20:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Internet erases borders, #SOPA puts them back - http://bit.ly/sqBRHU good point: another reason it's retrogressive | Dec 15 20:35 | |
| goblin-netbook | deathmatch expert | Dec 15 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | goblin-netbook: nope | Dec 15 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | Sone Cold Steve? | Dec 15 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | ok another hint, somenoe quite known | Dec 15 20:35 |
| cubezzz | it was David in the 1977 tv series | Dec 15 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | Not Sweaty Steve from Microsoft | Dec 15 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | *Stone | Dec 15 20:36 |
| goblin-netbook | DaemonFC, weve done him | Dec 15 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: nope, but that's a good guess | Dec 15 20:36 |
| cubezzz | Bruce Banner, in the original comics | Dec 15 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: way better than any of goblin-netbook 's so far | Dec 15 20:36 |
| goblin-netbook | Ah | Dec 15 20:36 |
| goblin-netbook | Ive given loads.... | Dec 15 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: also thought someone would put that eventaully, but nope not him | Dec 15 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | not Steve Jesus of Apple | Dec 15 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: bingo | Dec 15 20:36 |
| goblin-netbook | I think we already knew | Dec 15 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | the bok about Steve Job's life | Dec 15 20:36 |
| goblin-netbook | just playing the name the steve game.... | Dec 15 20:37 |
| beenz | nice netbook | Dec 15 20:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Syria deploys “Bastion” missile system along coastline: Voice of #Russia - #wwiii #nato http://goo.gl/jt8Ys | Dec 15 20:37 | |
| sebsebseb | goblin-netbook: well yeah maybe you already figured it out quite awhile ago | Dec 15 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | also bought another Linux magazine :) | Dec 15 20:37 |
| goblin-netbook | :) | Dec 15 20:37 |
| goblin-netbook | it was fun though...name that steve | Dec 15 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | so this is my second Linux user and developer :) | Dec 15 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | then there's Steve of Linux (Mark Shuttleworth) | Dec 15 20:37 |
| goblin-netbook | LF? | Dec 15 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | since bought one of those before | Dec 15 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | goblin-netbook: nope | Dec 15 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | goblin-netbook: ,but got a back issue I will be ordering | Dec 15 20:37 |
| goblin-netbook | is this another guessing game? | Dec 15 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | goblin-netbook: Linux Format is a laod of hype really, Linux user and developer is quite good as well | Dec 15 20:38 |
| goblin-netbook | LU? | Dec 15 20:38 |
| beenz | mark shuttleworth isn't anything like jobs | Dec 15 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I don't really want to subscribe to any of these magaiznes, just buy them sometimes | Dec 15 20:38 |
| goblin-netbook | no... | Dec 15 20:38 |
| goblin-netbook | he's alive | Dec 15 20:38 |
| beenz | we need an overly exaggerated linux spokesperson | Dec 15 20:38 |
| cubezzz | there's Stallman | Dec 15 20:39 |
| sebsebseb | beenz: well Mark Shuttelworth is the closest we got to that? | Dec 15 20:39 |
| beenz | exaggerated in the other way | Dec 15 20:39 |
| goblin-netbook | mmm | Dec 15 20:39 |
| beenz | we need someone who is full of life | Dec 15 20:39 |
| cubezzz | Stallman is the anti-Gates | Dec 15 20:39 |
| beenz | a person who can get a crowd rallying | Dec 15 20:39 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah there's STallman, but he's really a free software spokesperson so a big difference | Dec 15 20:39 |
| goblin-netbook | or sweat (in ballmers case) | Dec 15 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65591-Adblock-Plus-betraying-its-users-with-so-called-Acceptable-Ads&p=242246#post242246 | Dec 15 20:40 |
| beenz | steve jobs was evil but he did a very good job with public speaking | Dec 15 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | beenz: Steve Jobs was a business man, simple as that, however of course money and business can be quite evil really so hmm | Dec 15 20:40 |
| beenz | he was very good at getting people excited, thats where i'm going with this | Dec 15 20:41 |
| goblin-netbook | beenz, I don't think evil....I think he was good at making money | Dec 15 20:41 |
| beenz | making money by subverting peoples freedom | Dec 15 20:41 |
| goblin-netbook | but then ....lets look at leaders over the years.... | Dec 15 20:42 |
| goblin-netbook | selling stuff to people hardly constitutes evil.... | Dec 15 20:42 |
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| beenz | usurping freedom in my books means evil | Dec 15 20:42 |
| beenz | sociopaths and psychos do that | Dec 15 20:42 |
| beenz | interspecies predators | Dec 15 20:42 |
| goblin-netbook | yeah but its a little different to say the evils throughout history...... | Dec 15 20:43 |
| goblin-netbook | I doubt schools in the year 3000 will be learning about "Apples Atrocities" | Dec 15 20:43 |
| beenz | i think forcing people to use IE is worse than what Stalin is *blamed* for doing | Dec 15 20:43 |
| goblin-netbook | ok...... | Dec 15 20:43 |
| cubezzz | goblin-netbook, they'll be studying Stallman-the-light-bringer instead :) | Dec 15 20:44 |
| goblin-netbook | I can't really respond to that point.... | Dec 15 20:44 |
| goblin-netbook | lol | Dec 15 20:44 |
| goblin-netbook | IE is bad....but really? worse than what Stalin was blamed for? | Dec 15 20:44 |
| goblin-netbook | lets consider that... | Dec 15 20:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Good to see people saying the truth at times :-) + 1 to +Joshua Topolsky http://ur1.ca/6pytj | Dec 15 20:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Russia proposes #Syria peace roadmap : Voice of Russia http://goo.gl/QSkJX | Dec 15 20:45 | |
| goblin-netbook | be shot in the head and my family charged for the bullet or.... use IE.... I don't know about anyone else, but if I was given that choice, my only question would be "Which version do you want me to use?" | Dec 15 20:45 |
| cubezzz | you can't compare Stalin to IE | Dec 15 20:45 |
| goblin-netbook | lol... | Dec 15 20:45 |
| goblin-netbook | I hope he was being flippant | Dec 15 20:45 |
| beenz | i dont think Stalin did any of those things he was blamed for | Dec 15 20:45 |
| goblin-netbook | ok.... | Dec 15 20:46 |
| beenz | yeah I was exaggerating | Dec 15 20:46 |
| goblin-netbook | I won't debate that point....but then lets just say then the "theory" of what stalin did v IE | Dec 15 20:46 |
| beenz | lol | Dec 15 20:46 |
| MinceR | i don't think Stalin was remotely controlled as much as IE tends to be | Dec 15 20:46 |
| beenz | i really hate ie | Dec 15 20:46 |
| MinceR | or had nearly so much toolbars in him | Dec 15 20:46 |
| cubezzz | ok, I'll try... | Dec 15 20:46 |
| goblin-netbook | or prone to malware. | Dec 15 20:46 |
| beenz | LOL | Dec 15 20:46 |
| cubezzz | "If Stalin was to use a browser, he would pick IE" | Dec 15 20:46 |
| cubezzz | see? | Dec 15 20:47 |
| goblin-netbook | nah... it would be Internet Comrade | Dec 15 20:47 |
| goblin-netbook | IC | Dec 15 20:47 |
| beenz | Stalin probably ruined less lives than IE, murder aside | Dec 15 20:47 |
| beenz | IE causes the global malware problems that also assist DDOS attacks | Dec 15 20:47 |
| beenz | its a plague on this planet | Dec 15 20:47 |
| cubezzz | "In Soviet Russia, browser installs you" | Dec 15 20:47 |
| goblin-netbook | beenz, its a good job you don't read COLA....you'll probably have regretted that remark | Dec 15 20:48 |
| beenz | wintrolls? | Dec 15 20:48 |
| goblin-netbook | oh yes... | Dec 15 20:48 |
| beenz | yeah i wont even bother with idiots | Dec 15 20:48 |
| goblin-netbook | It will be "#TechRights thinks IE is more evil than Stalin" | Dec 15 20:49 |
| cubezzz | hahaha | Dec 15 20:49 |
| beenz | im not techrights though | Dec 15 20:49 |
| goblin-netbook | although now I've made the point..... its doubtful.... | Dec 15 20:49 |
| cubezzz | that would be entertaining | Dec 15 20:49 |
| goblin-netbook | beenz, it doesn't matter | Dec 15 20:49 |
| goblin-netbook | beenz, truth has never got in the way of Microsoft Advocacy before | Dec 15 20:49 |
| beenz | why worry what a bunch of irrational wintrolls think | Dec 15 20:49 |
| goblin-netbook | I don't | Dec 15 20:50 |
| beenz | if they think i represent the channel, they don't deserve brain cells | Dec 15 20:50 |
| goblin-netbook | I would worry what the average reader, consumer thinks | Dec 15 20:50 |
| goblin-netbook | the person who picks up the thread by accident as a result of google.. | Dec 15 20:50 |
| beenz | usenet? no average pc user checks that out | Dec 15 20:50 |
| goblin-netbook | google groups? | Dec 15 20:50 |
| goblin-netbook | comes up in a google search | Dec 15 20:50 |
| beenz | thats another thing | Dec 15 20:51 |
| beenz | people shouldnt be getting their opinions on stuff from forums | Dec 15 20:51 |
| goblin-netbook | but they do | Dec 15 20:51 |
| beenz | you dont use usenet as an acedemic source for a paper or study | Dec 15 20:51 |
| goblin-netbook | people shouldn't buy into fortune tellers | Dec 15 20:52 |
| goblin-netbook | they do | Dec 15 20:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] First version of kmod released http://ur1.ca/6pz02 | Dec 15 20:52 | |
| beenz | the world will always have its idiots | Dec 15 20:52 |
| goblin-netbook | oh they are not idiots | Dec 15 20:52 |
| goblin-netbook | not by a long shot.... | Dec 15 20:52 |
| beenz | I can't cater to them | Dec 15 20:52 |
| cubezzz | I'd say people are less knowledgeable (in general) about computers than in the 80's | Dec 15 20:52 |
| goblin-netbook | they are very sly | Dec 15 20:52 |
| goblin-netbook | agreed | Dec 15 20:52 |
| goblin-netbook | much so | Dec 15 20:53 |
| beenz | if i worried about everything i said that would actually prevent my own freedom | Dec 15 20:53 |
| beenz | just so they can have theirs | Dec 15 20:53 |
| goblin-netbook | all these "l337" users today are using high level dev tools and have not the first clue about the complexities of real coding | Dec 15 20:53 |
| beenz | i should be free to make silly jokes about IE | Dec 15 20:53 |
| beenz | lol | Dec 15 20:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] And we are back to full speed :-) (for now) | Dec 15 20:53 | |
| goblin-netbook | even the demoscene uses mainly c# | Dec 15 20:54 |
| beenz | stalin probably wrote code that ended up in visual studio | Dec 15 20:54 |
| goblin-netbook | lol | Dec 15 20:54 |
| cubezzz | I can't even remember using IE | Dec 15 20:54 |
| cubezzz | it's all a blur | Dec 15 20:54 |
| cubezzz | I remember using Netscape 2.0 though | Dec 15 20:54 |
| beenz | coding should get easier though | Dec 15 20:54 |
| beenz | computers speeds are getting much faster | Dec 15 20:55 |
| goblin-netbook | I remember Micronet | Dec 15 20:55 |
| goblin-netbook | nah nah nah | Dec 15 20:55 |
| beenz | we're gonna have cpu's in everything | Dec 15 20:55 |
| cubezzz | and browsers are huge pieces of bloatware now | Dec 15 20:55 |
| beenz | even your wallpaper | Dec 15 20:55 |
| goblin-netbook | only me and cubezzz I believe can win the "I remember" game | Dec 15 20:55 |
| beenz | imagine coding for your wallpaper in assembly | Dec 15 20:55 |
| beenz | scary! | Dec 15 20:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Pennsylvania police officer filmed firing taser at teenage girl - video | World news | guardian - #usa #policestate http://goo.gl/FXwec | Dec 15 20:55 | |
| cubezzz | which partially negates all the speed improvements | Dec 15 20:55 |
| cubezzz | that's why I like to study old operating systems | Dec 15 20:56 |
| goblin-netbook | having said that.... | Dec 15 20:56 |
| cubezzz | goblin-netbook, you can run unix v7 in 256k :) | Dec 15 20:56 |
| goblin-netbook | we did have standardized hardware...so assembly was easier in that respect | Dec 15 20:56 |
| beenz | smart phones can out perform the super computers NASA used to put man on the moon | Dec 15 20:56 |
| beenz | think 20 years from now | Dec 15 20:56 |
| goblin-netbook | I wonder the specs windows will require | Dec 15 20:56 |
| cubezzz | actually the old 6502 assembly language was a lot easier to learn | Dec 15 20:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Hacker who betrayed Bradley Manning expresses regret over possible jail term - http://bit.ly/uwujb5 well, that's OK, then... #lamo | Dec 15 20:57 | |
| beenz | windows will be dead | Dec 15 20:57 |
| beenz | the pc will die | Dec 15 20:57 |
| goblin-netbook | probably HAL or similar just to boot to a browser | Dec 15 20:57 |
| beenz | your 'computer' will be a piece of smart paper | Dec 15 20:57 |
| goblin-netbook | well pen and paper is already more reliable than a MS package.... | Dec 15 20:57 |
| cubezzz | you need to check out #classiccmp sometime beenz :) | Dec 15 20:58 |
| goblin-netbook | atleast it cant be corrupted as easily | Dec 15 20:58 |
| cubezzz | some of those folks still use PDP's | Dec 15 20:58 |
| cubezzz | and teletypewriters | Dec 15 20:58 |
| beenz | i dont have an appreciation for old hardware | Dec 15 20:58 |
| beenz | im excited about what the future will bring us | Dec 15 20:58 |
| cubezzz | hence I doubt the desktop will disappear for them, or me for that matter | Dec 15 20:58 |
| beenz | internet contacts will be what im looking most forward to | Dec 15 20:59 |
| beenz | they go in your eyes | Dec 15 20:59 |
| beenz | augmented reality | Dec 15 20:59 |
| beenz | awesome stuff | Dec 15 20:59 |
| beenz | imagine how this stuff will help reduce power load | Dec 15 21:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MT @declanm Sensenbrenner, who knows how House Judiciary works, says that with 70+ amendments, #SOPA markup won't be done until next year. | Dec 15 21:00 | |
| beenz | its not like you plug internet contacts or smart paper into a socket | Dec 15 21:00 |
| cubezzz | look at shows like Space 1999 and movies like 2001 a Space Odyssey | Dec 15 21:01 |
| beenz | remember terminator 2? | Dec 15 21:01 |
| cubezzz | then look around at what we actually got | Dec 15 21:01 |
| beenz | the stuff im talking about exists in some form already | Dec 15 21:01 |
| beenz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=219YybX66MY | Dec 15 21:01 |
| beenz | mind controlled computers are real and working | Dec 15 21:02 |
| cubezzz | ok, eink and ebook readers are kind of neat but still... | Dec 15 21:02 |
| beenz | i cant wait to throw away my keyboard | Dec 15 21:02 |
| beenz | here is another practical application of internet contacts | Dec 15 21:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Obama to sign indefinite detention bill into law - Salon.com - #usa #policestate #ndaa #martiallaw http://goo.gl/i3gXL | Dec 15 21:03 | |
| beenz | realtime translation of someone speaking another language | Dec 15 21:04 |
| beenz | realtime subtitles in augmented reality | Dec 15 21:04 |
| goblin-netbook | beenz, Doesnt the Borg serve as a lesson to us all?? | Dec 15 21:04 |
| goblin-netbook | beenz, or even the Necron | Dec 15 21:04 |
| goblin-netbook | ;) | Dec 15 21:04 |
| beenz | the borg are augmented physically | Dec 15 21:04 |
| goblin-netbook | mind you..... | Dec 15 21:04 |
| beenz | internet contacts can come out | Dec 15 21:04 |
| goblin-netbook | there was 7 of 9 so the borg are not all that bad | Dec 15 21:05 |
| beenz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MeaaCwBW28 | Dec 15 21:05 |
| beenz | without the red hue | Dec 15 21:05 |
| beenz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8R-GvKLg9w | Dec 15 21:06 |
| beenz | this is another soon to be reality | Dec 15 21:06 |
| beenz | smart wallpaper | Dec 15 21:06 |
| goblin-netbook | I don't really care for wallpapers.....smart or not | Dec 15 21:07 |
| beenz | your wallpaper would be your computer, tv | Dec 15 21:07 |
| goblin-netbook | seems like a pretty pointless concept....only there for asthetics | Dec 15 21:07 |
| beenz | pointless how? | Dec 15 21:08 |
| beenz | it would be a computer | Dec 15 21:08 |
| goblin-netbook | oh.... I thought you meant desktop wallpaper | Dec 15 21:08 |
| beenz | you dont like the color? you wont have to buy paint | Dec 15 21:08 |
| beenz | no not desktop wallpaper | Dec 15 21:08 |
| beenz | the wallpaper in your home | Dec 15 21:08 |
| goblin-netbook | yep great idea...... | Dec 15 21:08 |
| goblin-netbook | with one flaw | Dec 15 21:08 |
| goblin-netbook | you don't have kids do you beenz? | Dec 15 21:09 |
| beenz | i do | Dec 15 21:09 |
| goblin-netbook | then you can appreciate what a bad idea that would be | Dec 15 21:09 |
| beenz | mind you this stuff will cost pennies | Dec 15 21:09 |
| goblin-netbook | I wouldn't think so.....if big bucks cant be made, who is going to market it? | Dec 15 21:09 |
| beenz | by the time this stuff will work chips will be cheaper than paper | Dec 15 21:10 |
| beenz | moores law and demand | Dec 15 21:10 |
| goblin-netbook | "Store your custom wallpaper on the cloud" only £200! Buy now and get two free colours....of course, change your wallpaper provider and you lose the lot | Dec 15 21:10 |
| beenz | dont take my word for it | Dec 15 21:10 |
| goblin-netbook | or worse.... | Dec 15 21:10 |
| goblin-netbook | run it through windows and get a porn popup.... | Dec 15 21:11 |
| beenz | this video is by one of the worlds famous particle physists | Dec 15 21:11 |
| beenz | windows wont be around | Dec 15 21:11 |
| goblin-netbook | just when your parents come around for tea | Dec 15 21:11 |
| goblin-netbook | windows will always be around | Dec 15 21:11 |
| goblin-netbook | not MS windows | Dec 15 21:11 |
| goblin-netbook | but the ethos of bloated rubbish software | Dec 15 21:11 |
| beenz | the windows os | Dec 15 21:11 |
| beenz | it'll be dead | Dec 15 21:11 |
| beenz | probably within 10 years | Dec 15 21:11 |
| goblin-netbook | but crap software will always exist | Dec 15 21:12 |
| goblin-netbook | and the mainstream will buy whichever is marketed the best.... | Dec 15 21:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Get the Beauty of KDE on Your Tablet http://ur1.ca/6pziw | Dec 15 21:12 | |
| beenz | the mainstream will buy stuff better than the ms stuff | Dec 15 21:12 |
| beenz | android tablets are extremely popular | Dec 15 21:12 |
| goblin-netbook | agreed.....but look at the amiga.... | Dec 15 21:12 |
| goblin-netbook | streets ahead of the PC's at the time.... | Dec 15 21:13 |
| goblin-netbook | what happened in the end? | Dec 15 21:13 |
| goblin-netbook | Windows | Dec 15 21:13 |
| beenz | microsoft missed the boat this time | Dec 15 21:13 |
| goblin-netbook | thats what the consumer went for | Dec 15 21:13 |
| beenz | they are still focusing on aging technology | Dec 15 21:13 |
| goblin-netbook | windows8 I completely agree. | Dec 15 21:13 |
| goblin-netbook | but its going to take a long time for enterprise to get rid | Dec 15 21:13 |
| beenz | smart phones and tablets will kill microsoft very soon | Dec 15 21:14 |
| goblin-netbook | nah...... | Dec 15 21:14 |
| beenz | microsoft is just another Palm | Dec 15 21:14 |
| goblin-netbook | for the consumer space then yes we will a decline | Dec 15 21:14 |
| beenz | leader for a while, then new technology kills them off | Dec 15 21:14 |
| goblin-netbook | MS has been too big for too long to go quickly. | Dec 15 21:14 |
| beenz | palm couldnt keep up with the smart phones that replaced PDAs | Dec 15 21:14 |
| goblin-netbook | yes but Palm was not integrated in Enterprise in as much as MS is. | Dec 15 21:15 |
| beenz | i know people even using ipads that dont touch a PC anymore | Dec 15 21:15 |
| goblin-netbook | and consumer loyalty is transient | Dec 15 21:15 |
| goblin-netbook | thats another advantage for MS. | Dec 15 21:15 |
| beenz | android and ios both support all the microsoft shit | Dec 15 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111212/14010917054/lamar-smith-proposes-new-version-sopa-with-just-few-changes.shtml | Dec 15 21:15 |
| goblin-netbook | yes, but Microsoft can throw billions at something for no profit merely to destroy it. | Dec 15 21:16 |
| beenz | the idea of having a box with a monitor, keyboard and mouse are obsolete concepts | Dec 15 21:16 |
| goblin-netbook | they don't even need to play the game for a quick gain....they can plug away for decades | Dec 15 21:16 |
| goblin-netbook | beenz, unless you are developer who likes the traditional keyboard | Dec 15 21:16 |
| goblin-netbook | I wouldn't consider coding anything on a tablet touch keyboard | Dec 15 21:17 |
| beenz | those guys will either adapt or go extinct | Dec 15 21:17 |
| MinceR | some tablets are usb hosts | Dec 15 21:17 |
| beenz | no but what about with your mind? | Dec 15 21:17 |
| MinceR | so you can plug in a real keyboard :> | Dec 15 21:17 |
| MinceR | then there are the convertible tablet pcs :> | Dec 15 21:17 |
| goblin-netbook | MinceR, but then thats really a traditional desktop form factor when you go to those lengths.... | Dec 15 21:17 |
| beenz | mincer brings up good points | Dec 15 21:17 |
| goblin-netbook | Tablet with Keyboard and mouse.... | Dec 15 21:18 |
| MinceR | well, it has its pros and cons | Dec 15 21:18 |
| goblin-netbook | any different to todays desktop (minus the CPU) | Dec 15 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65713-SOPA-rides-again&p=242252#post242252 | Dec 15 21:18 |
| goblin-netbook | except you are restricted by poorer specs | Dec 15 21:18 |
| MinceR | pro: it works for longer on battery, has no fans, can work without the keyboard and the mouse in the situations where you don't need/want them | Dec 15 21:18 |
| goblin-netbook | and a small screen (unless you hook it up to something else) | Dec 15 21:18 |
| beenz | we already have devices that can sit on top of your head that allow you to control a laptop | Dec 15 21:18 |
| MinceR | con: lower performance, less ram, less storage, lower expandability | Dec 15 21:19 |
| goblin-netbook | but then if you at a plugging keyboard in stage, youd probably be a desk with a power outlet. | Dec 15 21:19 |
| beenz | forget for a minute the requirement of pushing buttons to use a computer | Dec 15 21:19 |
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| beenz | keep an eye out for steven hawking, someone wants to set him up with this technology soon | Dec 15 21:20 |
| MinceR | my tablet pc is just an ultraportable laptop with a touchscreen that can be turned around into slate mode | Dec 15 21:20 |
| beenz | hes losing control of his face | Dec 15 21:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Dang. I wish someone else who has actually worked on the #MediaWiki codebase, besides me, could comment. | Dec 15 21:20 | |
| MinceR | well, there's some brain/neural activity based control tech | Dec 15 21:20 |
| MinceR | hopefully they can make that work for him | Dec 15 21:21 |
| beenz | yes it works very well | Dec 15 21:21 |
| beenz | they have people who are completely paralyzed browsing the web | Dec 15 21:21 |
| goblin-netbook | right.,... | Dec 15 21:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Create Digital Music features Christopher Willits' super cool #CC remix project: http://is.gd/kPXp0O Deadline is Feb 1: http://is.gd/1gjfoH | Dec 15 21:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] {Video} LF Event TV: Bradley Kuhn on Open Compliance: http://bit.ly/ukgJ4n #linux #oss | Dec 15 21:23 | |
| goblin-netbook | time to power down netbook....go upstairs | Dec 15 21:23 |
| beenz | sometimes i wish i could freeze myself so i can be alive for some of this stuff way way into the future | Dec 15 21:24 |
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| beenz | but | Dec 15 21:24 |
| beenz | http://xkcd.com/989/ | Dec 15 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | they should promote SOPA as the "Push Americans to Learn Russian Act" | Dec 15 21:29 |
| zorro747 | chinese | Dec 15 21:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] SourceForge, really? Come on... - http://ur1.ca/6pzz9 | Dec 15 21:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] And I'm off by bus from Warsaw to Poznań. ~6h of journey with power outlets and WiFi access. yay for #PolskiBus :) | Dec 15 21:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] “President Obama will go down in history as the president who enshrined indefinite detention without trial in US law.” http://goo.gl/i3gXL | Dec 15 21:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "PiS się wygłupia i po raz kolejny obwiesza niczym świętymi obrazkami. Nie ma to żadnego znaczenia" - *Stefan Nies http://ur1.ca/6q02x | Dec 15 21:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] @nj3ma You online? can you IRC? | Dec 15 21:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @whitehouse Happy Bill of Rights Day! The US continues to stand with citizens & governments around the world who empower free expression | Dec 15 21:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] last tweet v @jilliancyork - I just love that American sense of humour #SOPA | Dec 15 21:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Radio Days Are Back: Ham Radio Licenses at an All-Time High - http://fxn.ws/uDAqNO welcome to Internet 2.0 (v @vickeegan) #SOPA | Dec 15 21:48 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.indecisionforever.com/2011/12/15/barack-obama-celebrates-bill-of-rights-day-with-support-for-indefinite-detention-bill/ | Dec 15 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | "The Obama administration does have a checkered record on civil liberties, but it's important to acknowledge the progress that has been made. For example, when you hear that knock on your door in the middle of the night, it's quite possible that an openly-serving gay soldier will be the one to drape a black hood over your head (kinky!) and haul your terror suspect ass to Guantanamo." | Dec 15 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 15 21:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MT @ralpost I love how the entertainment industry now uses "Google" like the Tea Party uses "Liberal". Keep it simple eh? >>v good point | Dec 15 21:52 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.indecisionforever.com/2011/11/03/liberal-agendaconservative-marching-orders-exclusive-jokes-to-get-you-through-the-election/ | Dec 15 22:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @glynmoody The Internet erases borders, #SOPA puts them back - http://bit.ly/sqBRHU good point: another reason it's retrogressive | Dec 15 22:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @glynmoody Former DHS Assistant Secretary Stewart Baker On SOPA 2.0: Still A Disaster For Cybersecurity - http://bit.ly/vapPvL superb ... | Dec 15 22:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] RT @identica Scheduled downtime cancelled for tonight. http://ur1.ca/6nwxu @evan forgot to crank down the DNS TTL in time. | Dec 15 22:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] RT @forteller http://ur1.ca/6pu8w #sopa | Dec 15 22:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Did humans have "inalienable" software freedom rights before there were working computers? | Dec 15 22:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MT @wseltzer Rep. Lofgren makes important point that if DNS takedowns get safe harbor, we'll see DNS takedowns. (Just look at DMCA) #SOPA | Dec 15 22:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MT @mmasnick This! RT @EFFLive: #SOPA supporters said for months opponents don't have any real suggestions, then vote down all amendments | Dec 15 22:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Big win for free speech on Twitter - judge rules prosecution of critic under anti-stalking law is unconstitutional https://eff.org/r.K7G | Dec 15 22:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I'm not a fan of the concept of "inalienable" rights. I prefer the question, "Can we have a just society without protecting these rights?" | Dec 15 22:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] No. | Dec 15 22:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] My freedom increases when people develop and release Free Software, whatever their motivations. | Dec 15 22:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] 5 quick videos about Internet privacy, https://onorobot.org/ | Dec 15 22:33 | |
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| MinceR | gn | Dec 15 22:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @evan My freedom increases when people develop and release Free Software, whatever their motivations. | Dec 15 22:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Take care of yourself, @parlementum (pull those ear flaps down over the ear buds) | Dec 15 22:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @eff Big win for free speech on Twitter - judge rules prosecution of critic under anti-stalking law is unconstitutional https://eff.o ... | Dec 15 22:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] ♪♫ !listening to ♪♫ Masta Ace - Beautiful ♪♫ #np #HipHop is dead | Dec 15 22:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @laurelrusswurm: RT @evan My freedom increases when people develop and release Free Software, whatever their motivations. | Dec 15 22:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Banksy's new sculpture: Cardinal Sin - http://bit.ly/ueSG5X made me chortle - once I'd worked out the visual joke... | Dec 15 22:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] What #SOPA means for [fill in the blank] by @suehle | http://red.ht/w1zV4y sopa | Dec 15 23:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] We want to do more for you! Help us raise $300k for free software by Jan 31st. http://ur1.ca/6q2iu !fsf !gnu | Dec 15 23:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joshuagay/@joshuagay] RT @fsf We want to do more for you! Help us raise $300k for free software by Jan 31st. http://ur1.ca/6q2iu !fsf !gnu | Dec 15 23:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] Will It Come To This? http://ur1.ca/6q2l5 #SOPA | Dec 15 23:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: Otvorené napady pre Slovensko: #Opengovpartnership.org event in Bratislava on 17-18/12 http://t.co/Qn8obS http://p.ost.im/p/ey2nsu | Dec 15 23:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: #OpenData article "Dati" pubblici per tutti ecco la società aperta - LASTAMPA.it http://t.co/8cRHUZj4 http://p.ost.im/p/eyFXfG | Dec 15 23:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: http://t.co/CyR30HUM Transport data debate shows need #opendata strategy http://t.co/9RBN6xk3 http://p.ost.im/p/eySuvL | Dec 15 23:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] #Huawei achieve Gigabit speeds on copper telephone wires, over 100m http://nd.gd/05n /cc @nj3ma @kelzOKO @fredmanglis @DennisMungai | Dec 15 23:33 | |
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| DaemonFC | could use a little more touching up | Dec 15 23:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @mmasnick Lofgren: "I don't think we can tell the world that we're going to outlaw the tools they need to be free people" #sopa >>quite | Dec 15 23:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Sounding Out the Audio APIs http://ow.ly/1gcmX8 | Dec 15 23:40 | |
| DaemonFC | http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7343/countduqu.jpg | Dec 15 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Dec 15 23:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Interview: Pearson Company on Open Web Platform and Publishing http://ow.ly/1gcmX7 | Dec 15 23:42 | |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?64474-new-virus-duqu-stuxnet-s-authors-installs-a-service-in-windows-from-doc-file&p=242265#post242265 | Dec 15 23:44 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Our blog has gone berserk. We're fixing, but it takes a while. | Dec 15 23:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] I just can't believe that we are going to be willing to gut democracy and civil liberties to protect copyright monopolies. Insanity. | Dec 15 23:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] Oh, and break the net while we are at it to protect the same monopolies and out dated business models. #SOPA | Dec 15 23:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] When OOXML Attacks Free Software http://ur1.ca/6q37f #ODF #OOXML #EU | Dec 15 23:53 | |
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