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| DaemonFC | http://www.cityautomall.com/VehicleDetails/used-2000-Pontiac-Montana-4dr_Ext_WB-Columbia_City-IN/2070741743 | Sep 18 04:09 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cityautomall.com | 2000 Pontiac Montana for sale in Columbia City - 1GMDX03EXYD111174 - City Automall [ http://ur1.ca/fl693 ] | Sep 18 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | I might look into this. They dropped the price by $500. | Sep 18 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's been a week of dead ends. | Sep 18 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | Cars that were completely shot, sold before I could get there, etc. | Sep 18 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/2000/Pontiac/Montana/4dr-Ext-WB/Standard-Equipment | Sep 18 04:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.nadaguides.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/fl6ai ] | Sep 18 04:12 |
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| DaemonFC | I wanted to do business with City Automall anyway because their salesmen there are so nice. | Sep 18 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | When I got up there to look at the Sable that they had sold, the guy told me to pull around to the back of the building and they gave my Taurus a free car wash and gave me a few gallons of gas to make up for the wasted trip. | Sep 18 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | I don't even think I'll try to negotiate with them for a lower price than $2,500. That's more than fair if the vehicle checks out. | Sep 18 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | I looked at a 2000 Montana here in town, but it was at one of those little car lots that gets their vehicles from auto auctions. | Sep 18 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | He said he wanted $1,995, and I found out why when I got there. | Sep 18 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | The body was in terrible shape. He didn't even bother to wipe the dirt off the dashboard. | Sep 18 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I'll set my alarm and call up there tomorrow morning. | Sep 18 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | I had my eyes on that Vic that was for sale in Muncie, but I got into pricing out the repairs that he said it needed. | Sep 18 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | I'll be in for almost $5,000 if I buy it. | Sep 18 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | You pay more with reputable dealers, but you're less likely to run into a lemon. | Sep 18 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | Vehicles with obvious problems don't even go out onto their lot. They auction them off and these little secondary car lots sell them. | Sep 18 04:22 |
| *DaemonFC got distracted by the old "which oil is better" argument on some forum. | Sep 18 04:24 | |
| DaemonFC | In my experience, you're fine with any motor oil that is approved by the ASE and is the right weight recommended by your owner's manual. | Sep 18 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | I use Quaker State just because it's always on sale or has rebates somewhere. | Sep 18 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | For coolant/antifreeze, I buy the big jugs of "Super Tech" pre-mixed. It's Walmart's store brand. | Sep 18 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | I also use their brake and transmission fluid. | Sep 18 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | What I think is nuts is when people are paying for full synthetic motor oil. | Sep 18 04:34 |
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| DaemonFC | My big pet peeve when I'm car shopping is when I see rust. | Sep 18 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | I don't buy anything with rust on the body. | Sep 18 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | It's a shame too, because I see vehicles that would have a lot of life left in them if they weren't rusting. | Sep 18 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | You've just got to wash your car every week or so in Indiana during the winter. | Sep 18 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | My '95 Taurus didn't start rusting until about a year ago. | Sep 18 04:38 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdApyFlf6DU | Sep 18 07:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Ron White deer hunting - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fl8m9 ] | Sep 18 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDpTidAPwU | Sep 18 07:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Ron White on DHS - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/f8x1y ] | Sep 18 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO5EFYY6P14 | Sep 18 07:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Ron White on "Paying for the War" - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fl8qc ] | Sep 18 07:50 |
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| *DaemonFC decided to check into that van... | Sep 18 08:16 | |
| DaemonFC | The exterior looks good and it has low miles. | Sep 18 08:16 |
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| iophk | http://linuxgizmos.com/ibm-to-invest-1-billion-dollars-in-linux-on-power/ | Sep 18 08:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | IBM to pour $1 billion into Linux-on-Power · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/fl98d ] | Sep 18 08:33 |
| DaemonFC | https://autos.aol.com/article/avoid-car-dealer-fees/ | Sep 18 08:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | autos.aol.com | Don't Pay Car Dealer Fees Without a Fight [ http://ur1.ca/fl9dn ] | Sep 18 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | I don't pay dealer fees. | Sep 18 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | One dealer tried to tack on $100 for transferring the title over to me. | Sep 18 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | I told him I wouldn't pay it and got up to leave. He waived it. :P | Sep 18 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | They'll get you everywhere they can. | Sep 18 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | "You are making a big financial commitment, and so it makes sense to protect it." | Sep 18 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | I've had Walmart try to sell me a $10 protection plan on a $15 surge protector before. :P | Sep 18 08:51 |
| MinceR | geekings | Sep 18 09:12 |
| *DaemonFC is sort of nervous about buying that van. | Sep 18 09:47 | |
| DaemonFC | All kinds of things can go wrong with used vehicles. | Sep 18 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | On the other hand, it could be a perfectly good van. | Sep 18 09:47 |
| *DaemonFC is going to be extra-thorough in inspecting it. | Sep 18 09:47 | |
| DaemonFC | It's in surprisingly good condition on the exterior. It's also one owner, for whatever that's worth. | Sep 18 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | If the one owner was an idiot that never maintained their van, that doesn't mean much. | Sep 18 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I like Dave (my stepdad), but he gets suckered sometimes. | Sep 18 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | He said he wants to get the four new tires he needs on his truck from a certain shop that said they'd give him a free alignment if he did that. | Sep 18 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | I said "Is the truck pulling to the left or right?" | Sep 18 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | He said "No." | Sep 18 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | I was like "Then why do you need an alignment? Also, their tires probably start at $150 each when you can get ones at Walmart for about $70." | Sep 18 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | Free isn't really free when they're just covering it up by charging more for something else. | Sep 18 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | They like throwing in free alignments because there's no parts involved. | Sep 18 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | They're just paying some guy $10 or $11 an hour to spend an hour doing the alignment. | Sep 18 09:51 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 18 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | So they're not really out much. It's almost pure profit for the shop when people pay them $100 or more for that. | Sep 18 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | The only reason you can't do it yourself is that you probably don't have the car lift or the machinery that they do. | Sep 18 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It just blows my mind that some people will pay $900 or more for four tires. | Sep 18 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | When I do all four, I never pay more than about $320. | Sep 18 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | There's not a lot of difference between the cheap tires and the expensive ones. There's a difference, but I don't think it's a $600 difference. | Sep 18 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 18 09:53 |
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| DaemonFC | You get to the point of diminishing returns really fast with car tires. | Sep 18 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | I never buy anything better than the basic set. | Sep 18 09:55 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Goodyear has the Viva 2 (basic tire) for $70 each. | Sep 18 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | They have one called a "fuel saver" for $105. | Sep 18 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | Independent tests have shown that they don't increase your gas mileage at all. | Sep 18 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | But people still pay another $35 per tire because they believe the claim. | Sep 18 09:57 |
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| DaemonFC | http://images.cobaltgroup.com/0/0/2/7684358200x640.jpg | Sep 18 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | What the hell happened to that seat? | Sep 18 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | Was Peter Griffin driving that thing? | Sep 18 10:21 |
| *DaemonFC isn't shopping at Paul Richard GM anyway. | Sep 18 10:22 | |
| DaemonFC | They were rude to me when I was looking at a minivan on their lot last week. | Sep 18 10:22 |
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| iophk | Wolfram Alpha painted themselves in a corner by selling out to M$ | Sep 18 11:04 |
| iophk | M$ fans won't use it because it's not M$, and regular people won't use it because it is. | Sep 18 11:05 |
| iophk | M$ really did try to choke it to death in the beginning. | Sep 18 11:05 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 18 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | The van I'm looking at doesn't have "OnStar" or Microsoft's Sync spyware. | Sep 18 11:05 |
| iophk | If they had held on a bit instead of panicking I thing they could have established themselves. | Sep 18 11:06 |
| MinceR | some people won't use it because it sucks :> | Sep 18 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | hooray for only being able to afford a used vehicle? | Sep 18 11:06 |
| MinceR | wolfram alpha, that is | Sep 18 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I don't know why people want computers built into their dashboard. | Sep 18 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's just creepy. | Sep 18 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | They could call it what it is. Big Brother, brought to you by Ford Motor Company, Microsoft, and the NSA. | Sep 18 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | But I doubt it would help sales. | Sep 18 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | Turn Left up ahead.....or else. | Sep 18 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | Seriously. Turn left. You don't want to know what happened to the last guy that didn't follow our instructions! | Sep 18 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Sep 18 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | It's been deleted anyway.... | Sep 18 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | One guy talked about how his headlight cover flooded on a car he bought from this dealer. | Sep 18 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | I had that happen on my Taurus. I had a headlamp bulb burn out. I went to replace it and noticed that the cover was full of water. | Sep 18 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | I called AutoZone and asked how much a replacement cover was. | Sep 18 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | They said $150. | Sep 18 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | So I pulled out a drill/driver, and drilled a hole in the bottom of the cover. | Sep 18 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | Haven't had another bulb burn out since then, and that was like two years ago. | Sep 18 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that they reduced the price on that Ford Crown Vic I pointed out the ticking engine and the blown head gasket on. | Sep 18 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | They went from $3,100 to $2,700. | Sep 18 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | I still wouldn't take it unless they were giving it away for free. | Sep 18 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | The only good thing about that car is the body. You'd have to get the engine rebuilt and if they weren't maintaining that, I doubt the transmission or coolant system would be far behind. | Sep 18 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | You'd have to pay more to properly repair it than what you paid for the car. | Sep 18 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to push them to knock a couple hundred bucks more off that Montana. | Sep 18 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | The tires are almost bald and I have no way of knowing the last time anything was serviced, so some stuff has to be done just to be sure. | Sep 18 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | It's over 100,000 miles, so it definitely could use some new spark plugs, then the transmission and radiator will need flushed, plus the tires. | Sep 18 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Sep 18 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'll put some Viva 2 tires on it. | Sep 18 11:17 |
| MinceR | i would like a computer in my dashboard, just not with m$ crap | Sep 18 11:18 |
| MinceR | and preferably not connected to anything it can seriously fuck up | Sep 18 11:18 |
| MinceR | an emergency cutoff switch would be nice as well | Sep 18 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, My ABS warning light has been flashing on my Taurus for about two years. | Sep 18 11:18 |
| MinceR | if it can output audio or something | Sep 18 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | I should probably do something about that, but oh well. | Sep 18 11:18 |
| MinceR | probably yes | Sep 18 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | I'm done flushing money down the toilet on a car that's well past its prime. | Sep 18 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 18 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | I could sell the Taurus, but I'd only get about $600-700 out of it. | Sep 18 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | I'll probably just give it away to my mom so that she and Dave can finish beating the shit out of it for however long it runs. | Sep 18 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sorry, I don't mean give it to her. I mean sell it to her for one dollar. | Sep 18 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Indiana charges a gift tax if you give the car away. | Sep 18 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | They figure up what they think the FMV of the car is and charge the recipient 7% of that amount. | Sep 18 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | Selling a car for $1 is legal, so the state only gets to charge them 7 cents in tax. | Sep 18 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 18 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | So don't give your car away, sell it for $1. | Sep 18 11:23 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 18 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The part about buying a car I hate is the price negotiation. | Sep 18 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | You have no idea what the lowest amount of money they'll take right now is, so you just kind of have to feel your way around. | Sep 18 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | If this van is in reasonably good shape other than the issues I've already noted, I doubt I can get them to knock more than $200 off of it. | Sep 18 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I'd still be willing to buy it at that price. | Sep 18 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | It seems too much like game theory to me though. | Sep 18 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | (probably because it is) | Sep 18 11:34 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/carfax_inacc.html | Sep 18 12:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.consumeraffairs.com | 381 Complaints and Reviews about Carfax [ http://ur1.ca/flbxe ] | Sep 18 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Sep 18 12:40 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/riaa-wants-web-browsers-to-block-pirate-sites-and-more-130918/ | Sep 18 12:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | RIAA Wants Web Browsers to Block Pirate Sites, And More | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/flbxz ] | Sep 18 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | Carfax is worthless. | Sep 18 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | Most people don't go to their dealership every time they need an oil change, they just take the car to Walmart. | Sep 18 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | Of course it's not going to show oil changes. :P | Sep 18 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | I have never once taken a car to a dealership for an oil change. | Sep 18 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | Most dealers around here advertise "$39.99 oil change", and then they stick in extra shop fees, and you end up paying about $45. | Sep 18 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart charges about $28, including tax. | Sep 18 12:44 |
| iophk | bad news for Twitter | Sep 18 13:13 |
| iophk | http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/17/twitter-hires-microsofts-jeff-sandquist/ | Sep 18 13:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techcrunch.com | Longtime Microsoft Evangelist Jeff Sandquist Joins Twitter As Director Of Platform Partnerships | TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/flc8t ] | Sep 18 13:13 |
| iophk | HP was already in trouble, now it's worsened | Sep 18 13:16 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/09/hilft-leaves-microsoft-for-hp/ | Sep 18 13:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | The Man Who Introduced Microsoft to Open Source Leaves For HP | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/flca7 ] | Sep 18 13:16 |
| iophk | http://www.crn.com/news/applications-os/240161445/microsoft-developer-evangelist-sandquist-jumps-to-twitter-after-16-years.htm | Sep 18 13:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.crn.com | Microsoft Developer Evangelist Sandquist Jumps To Twitter After 16 Years [ http://ur1.ca/flcb0 ] | Sep 18 13:19 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm dealing with a salesman whose last name is Salesman. | Sep 18 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | Heh. | Sep 18 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | Well, at least it'll be easy to remember. | Sep 18 13:53 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: ok that is warped. | Sep 18 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | I'm looking into buying a 2000 Pontiac Montana. | Sep 18 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | I think it could be a good deal if I get it at the right price. | Sep 18 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | It sort of has that "I need cargo space but don't want to buy a pickup truck." thing going on. | Sep 18 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | I need to haul things sometimes, and my car doesn't cut it, but people want a fortune for pickup trucks, even REALLY old ones. | Sep 18 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen brand new pickup trucks going for upwards of $63,000. | Sep 18 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | Of course those are the ones with all the options and the 6 liter diesel V8s, and so on. | Sep 18 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | Dave got a big pickup truck with a V8 engine. He never drives it out of town because it gets terrible gas mileage. | Sep 18 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | like 10-12 mpg.... | Sep 18 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | So he bought a 1988 Oldsmobile to drive. | Sep 18 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | He called me back. Says it runs fine, no warning lights are on, no weird noises, no body or interior issues. | Sep 18 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | But the passenger sliding door is jammed. | Sep 18 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | I asked him to look into fixing that and I might be interested. | Sep 18 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | Asked him about the tires. He said they all looked new. | Sep 18 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | Glad the last owner left it with decent tires. Those things are not cheap. | Sep 18 14:19 |
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| DaemonFC | The guy from the dealership called me back about that van. | Sep 18 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | He said it's all good except there's this piece of trim that's sticking out and the side door won't open correctly. | Sep 18 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | Asked him to see if his guys have that part in stock and what it would run. | Sep 18 15:59 |
| hp_mobile | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3079568 | Sep 18 16:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @linux@joindiaspora.com: Arch Linux Deprecates /etc/sysctl.conf, User Intervention Required http://news.softpedia.com/news/Arch-Linux-Deprecates-etc-sysctl-conf-User-Intervention-Required-383858.shtml | Sep 18 16:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | Arch Linux Deprecates /etc/sysctl.conf, User Intervention Required [ http://ur1.ca/fleht ] | Sep 18 16:31 |
| hp_mobile | "When you feel you begin to understand Arch they just deprecate things... Still I like it." | Sep 18 16:31 |
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| hp_mobile | https://twitter.com/JorgeStolfi/status/379246753209262080 | Sep 18 16:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @JorgeStolfi: Assange escolheu sua missão porque Bush mandou cortar sua bolsa na Austrália e confiscou pesquisa http://t.co/pCyzHLxVNB [v @schestowitz] | Sep 18 16:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> pandodaily.com | How the US government inadvertently created Wikileaks | PandoDaily | Sep 18 16:42 |
| hp_mobile | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3080583 | Sep 18 17:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Same Day It's Revealed #Verizon Has Never Challenged NSA, It Mocks Internet Companies For Doing So http://t.co/0zAZSjIwZD | Sep 18 17:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.techdirt.com | Same Day It's Revealed Verizon Has Never Challenged NSA, It Mocks Internet Companies For Doing So | Techdirt | Sep 18 17:07 |
| hp_mobile | "Big shocker there" | Sep 18 17:07 |
| hp_mobile | And there I was thinking that Verizon would fight for us !! :-) | Sep 18 17:07 |
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| schestowitz_mob | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3080726 | Sep 18 17:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Android controls 71% market share in Western Europe http://www.muktware.com/5874/android-controls-71-market-share-western-europe #linux | Sep 18 17:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.muktware.com | Android controls 71% market share in Western Europe | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/flexz ] | Sep 18 17:11 |
| schestowitz_mob | "Not for much longer Firefox OS is coming fast and furious." | Sep 18 17:11 |
| schestowitz_mob | Firefox OS will hopefully open up further, or free up | Sep 18 17:12 |
| schestowitz_mob | "Ten or twelve years ago somebody noticed that no one except IBM ever entered into a partnership with Microsoft and survived. Since then a few got lucky, but not many, and one of them wasn’t Nokia. For the life of us, we can’t figure what ever convinced the Finnish folk that hiring Stephen Elop, then head of Redmond’s business software division, as CEO was a good idea. We guess they never really grokked the | Sep 18 17:19 |
| schestowitz_mob | whole understanding-history-or-being-doomed-to-repeat-it concept." | Sep 18 17:19 |
| schestowitz_mob | http://fossforce.com/2013/09/microsoft-knock-knock-knocking-on-nokias-door/ | Sep 18 17:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fossforce.com | Microsoft: Knock, Knock, Knocking on Nokia's Door - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/flf0z ] | Sep 18 17:19 |
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| iophk | Haven't desktop PC sales been shrinking since 2000 or so? | Sep 18 17:24 |
| iophk | pump & dump ? http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-17/microsoft-plans-40-billion-buyback-boosts-dividend.html | Sep 18 17:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bloomberg.com | Microsoft Plans $40 Billion Buyback, Boosts Dividend - Bloomberg [ http://ur1.ca/flf4b ] | Sep 18 17:27 |
| schestowitz_mob | http://fossforce.com/2013/09/freeware-looking-a-gift-horse-in-the-mouth/ | Sep 18 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fossforce.com | Freeware: Looking a Gift Horse in the Mouth - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/flf5h ] | Sep 18 17:30 |
| schestowitz_mob | iophk, no, later | Sep 18 17:31 |
| schestowitz_mob | maybe 2006 | Sep 18 17:31 |
| schestowitz_mob | depends what you measure | Sep 18 17:31 |
| schestowitz_mob | like relative share | Sep 18 17:31 |
| iophk | They've used declining PC sales as an excuse in the past, at least as early as 2002 | Sep 18 17:31 |
| iophk | IIRC | Sep 18 17:31 |
| iophk | That FOSS Force article about freeware also shows off the hidden economy of free-of-charge Windows labor that keeps Bill's empire afloat. | Sep 18 17:33 |
| iophk | Pretty much every home user is supported by a friend or relative who works evenings and weekends for free for Bill to keep Windows running. | Sep 18 17:34 |
| iophk | Without those gullible power users probably 2/3 of home Windows installations would grind to a halt within weeks. | Sep 18 17:34 |
| iophk | The system depends on the free labor to keep out Linux. | Sep 18 17:35 |
| schestowitz_mob | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DafFA_ISs4&feature=youtu.be | Sep 18 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Atari Teenage Riot + 6000 Anti-Fascists in Berlin - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/flf9t ] | Sep 18 17:42 |
| schestowitz_mob | iophk, GNU/Linux has many foruns | Sep 18 17:43 |
| schestowitz_mob | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3080726 | Sep 18 17:44 |
| schestowitz_mob | "I'm not yet familiar with Firefox OS. What are the issues with it not being "open" enough? Are there any proprietary parts?" | Sep 18 17:44 |
| schestowitz_mob | In Sailfish and/or Firefox OS, depending on HW maker/s too | Sep 18 17:44 |
| iophk | old - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/10/qwest-ceo-nsa-punished-qwest-refusing-participate-illegal-surveillance-pre-9-11 | Sep 18 17:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.eff.org | Qwest CEO: NSA Punished Qwest for Refusing to Participate in Illegal Surveillance--Pre-9/11! | Electronic Frontier Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/flfc3 ] | Sep 18 17:47 |
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| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/linus-torvalds-worries-about-how-linux-will-handle-the-end-of-moores-law/ | Sep 18 19:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Linus Torvalds worries about how Linux will handle end of Moore’s Law | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/flgmd ] | Sep 18 19:46 |
| iophk | old - http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/08/22/1225236/german-government-warns-windows-8-is-an-unacceptable-security-risk | Sep 18 19:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | tech.slashdot.org | German Government Warns Windows 8 Is an Unacceptable Security Risk - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/flgnp ] | Sep 18 19:49 |
| iophk | new- http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2295508/windows-phone-8-is-deemed-secure-by-the-us-and-canadian-governments | Sep 18 19:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | Windows Phone 8 is deemed secure by the US and Canadian governments- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/flgnt ] | Sep 18 19:49 |
| iophk | http://www.eweek.com/developer/linus-torvalds-talks-linux-development-at-linuxcon.html | Sep 18 19:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.eweek.com | Linus Torvalds Talks Linux Development at LinuxCon [ http://ur1.ca/flgo3 ] | Sep 18 19:50 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/nsa-aims-to-plug-holes-that-sprang-snowden-leaks/ | Sep 18 19:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | NSA aims to plug holes that sprang Snowden leaks | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/flgot ] | Sep 18 19:53 |
| iophk | http://www.tgdaily.com/software-brief/79862-microsoft-releases-ie-11-should-have-given-up-at-ie-7 | Sep 18 19:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tgdaily.com | Microsoft releases IE 11; should have given up at IE 7 | TG Daily [ http://ur1.ca/flgpp ] | Sep 18 19:55 |
| iophk | About IBM's first investment of $1 billion over ten years ago, it is important to point out that they recovered their investment in less than a year. It was a tidy profit for them. So it is not a matter of "supporting" Linux but of making good money by investing in it. | Sep 18 21:05 |
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