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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3124229Oct 01 01:10
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: "Ubuntu continues to push the envelope and aggravate the community with each new release"' http://blog.linuxacademy.com/linux/ubuntu-linux-13-10-preview-docking-with-mir/Oct 01 01:10
TechrightsBot-tr-> blog.linuxacademy.com | Ubuntu Linux 13.10 Preview: Docking With Mir | Linux Academy Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/fs191 ]Oct 01 01:10
schestowitz"“Ubuntu is not Linux” according to Mr. Shuttleworth as they continue to try and differentiate Ubuntu in the eyes of the world and develop their own branding Shameful."Oct 01 01:10
JimmyCartersurely they cant deny uses linux kernel.... "Yes uses Linux kernel, but its not Linux."Oct 01 01:12
JimmyCarterwe had extra hues to "ls --color" now its no longer linuxOct 01 01:16
JimmyCarterdd*Oct 01 01:16
JimmyCarteraddOct 01 01:16
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sebsebsebJimmyCarter: Android isn't Desktop LInuxOct 01 01:55
sebsebseb,but is also a Linux distributionOct 01 01:55
sebsebsebhowever one wiithout GNU as wellOct 01 01:55
sebsebseb,but since it uses Linux it's a Linux distributionOct 01 01:55
sebsebseband just, because Ubuntu will use Mir  instead of Wayland unike ike al othe distrosOct 01 01:56
sebsebsebdoesn't make it no less of a Linux distorOct 01 01:56
sebsebsebJimmyCarter: nice background for the betaOct 01 01:59
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prurigrofinally, a reason to specify gnu/linux is hereOct 01 04:31
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schestowitzJimmyCarter: lolOct 01 05:17
prurigroJimmyCarter: I threw an archlinux filesystem ontop of my linux/android OS and ls --color works like a charm :)Oct 01 05:30
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MinceR003934 < Sosumi> for the privacy issues?Oct 01 06:34
MinceRindeedOct 01 06:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/384762624463753216?refsrc=emailOct 01 06:38
TechrightsBot-tr@glynmoody: EU LIBE Inquiry on Electronic Mass Surveillance of EU Citizens - http://t.co/2uDM7Loql4 resource behind great talk (v @schestowitz) #nsaOct 01 06:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> anniemachon.ch | European Parliament LIBE Inquiry on Electronic Mass Surveillance of EU Citizens - Using Our IntelligenceOct 01 06:38
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iophkhttp://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/30/delta-pilots-fought-against-deal-to-replace-ipad-flight-bags-with-microsoft-surfaceOct 01 07:20
TechrightsBot-trappleinsider.com | Delta Pilots fought against deal to replace iPad flight bags with Microsoft Surface  [ http://ur1.ca/fsdfp ]Oct 01 07:20
iophkold - http://www.billparish.com/20011128msftupdate.htmlOct 01 07:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.billparish.com | Microsoft Pyramid Update  [ http://ur1.ca/fsdhl ]Oct 01 07:21
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iophkhttp://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/09/richard-stallman-on-the-hacker-spirit-at-mit/Oct 01 08:18
TechrightsBot-trblogs.computerworlduk.com | Richard Stallman on the Hacker Spirit at MIT - Open Enterprise  [ http://ur1.ca/fsemr ]Oct 01 08:18
iophk"What follows is part of a long interview I conducted with him in 1999, when I was carrying out research for "Rebel Code". Most of this is unpublished"Oct 01 08:18
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iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/microsoft-privacy-chief-nsaOct 01 08:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Ex-Microsoft privacy adviser: I don't trust company after NSA revelations | World news | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fsevq ]Oct 01 08:28
iophk"he only uses open source software where he can examine the underlying code."Oct 01 08:29
iophkIs he the first one of his kind?Oct 01 08:29
iophkNo non-competes or other clauses in his contract?Oct 01 08:29
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/09/snowden-says-his-sole-intention-was-to-prompt-national-security-debate/Oct 01 08:34
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Snowden says his “sole intention” was to prompt national security debate | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fsezm ]Oct 01 08:34
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iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/30/email-surveillance-could-reveal-journalists-sources-expert-claimsOct 01 08:55
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Email surveillance could reveal journalists' sources, expert claims | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fsff0 ]Oct 01 08:55
MinceRgeekingsOct 01 09:03
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/10/compare-elop-to-his-predecessor-kallasvuo-one-was-bad-one-was-the-worst-ever.htmlOct 01 09:15
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Compare Elop to his Predecessor Kallasvuo. One was Bad. One was The Worst Ever  [ http://ur1.ca/fsfvs ]Oct 01 09:15
DaemonFCMinceR, Apparently you're exempt from the Obamacare penalty for not having health insurance if you had a financial hardship.Oct 01 09:27
DaemonFCThe list includes a utility shut off notice.Oct 01 09:27
DaemonFCSo why not just go a couple of months without paying the gas bill, waiting for them to send a shut off notice, and then pay it?Oct 01 09:28
DaemonFCThe late fee for that is only like $20, but it gets you out of the $695 Obamacare penalty for the year.Oct 01 09:28
DaemonFCJust do that every year and you save $675.Oct 01 09:28
*DaemonFC wonders if they stopped to think about how many people would figure this out.Oct 01 09:29
DaemonFChttp://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3312edf54c/hank-schrader-what-happens-nextOct 01 09:36
TechrightsBot-trwww.funnyordie.com | Hank Schrader: What Happens Next with Dean Norris from Dean Norris, Nick Wiger, Andy Maxwell, Brian Lane, Funny Or Die, Jessica Leigh Schwartz, and BoTown Sound  [ http://ur1.ca/fsg8p ]Oct 01 09:36
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iophkhttp://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/09/gendarmerie_linux/Oct 01 10:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | French National Police Switch 37,000 Desktop PCs to Linux | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fsh2p ]Oct 01 10:29
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roy_iophk: quote?Oct 01 10:42
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/384976864454131712Oct 01 10:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The #nsa is suppressing journalism http://t.co/ugaSNPjBfmOct 01 10:43
iophkindirect quoteOct 01 10:44
roy_iophk: yeahOct 01 10:44
roy_well, he's a father now, that keeps him busyOct 01 10:44
roy_better for Linux and esp. GNUOct 01 10:45
roy_bblOct 01 10:45
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iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-technology/microsoft-cant-even-get-it-interested-in-its-mobile-platform-227568Oct 01 11:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Microsoft can't even get IT interested in its mobile platform | Mobile Technology - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fshom ]Oct 01 11:10
oiaohmiophk: the bad part for Microsoft is once tizen sailfishos and ubuntu land its going to be even harder. Oct 01 11:11
oiaohmiophk: reason theses will bring a Android compadible market.Oct 01 11:11
iophkYes one of the features marketed about Sailfish is Android compatibilityOct 01 11:12
iophkI'm more interested in what it inherited from MeegoOct 01 11:12
oiaohmiophk: same with Tizen and UbuntuOct 01 11:12
iophkand FirefoxOSOct 01 11:12
oiaohmFirefox OS is targeted at lower end market.Oct 01 11:13
oiaohmand not android compadible.Oct 01 11:13
iophkAre there any plain phones out there?  Something that just makes calls and holds a charge for a week or two?Oct 01 11:14
oiaohmiophk: funny enough is that is firefox OS target.Oct 01 11:15
oiaohmiophk: http://www.geek.com/mobile/firefox-os-minimum-specs-cant-get-much-more-minimal-1541349/  Note the firefox min specs.Oct 01 11:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.geek.com | Firefox OS minimum specs can’t get much more minimal | Mobile | Geek.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fshsl ]Oct 01 11:18
oiaohmiophk: 800 mhz single core processor with 256 megs ram.Oct 01 11:18
oiaohmiophk: or in otherwords I sip power configuration.Oct 01 11:18
iophkLow specs to be sure.  But there is no mention of how it performsOct 01 11:18
iophksmartphones are uninterestingOct 01 11:19
oiaohmthere are other reviews out there finding the performance very denent.Oct 01 11:19
oiaohmiophk: remember symbian OS was a stock and trade for a long time in the feature phones.Oct 01 11:20
oiaohmReally I miss the lack of flip phones.Oct 01 11:20
iophkor candy bars.  You could fit a lot of modern battery in that form factor now.Oct 01 11:21
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oiaohmiophk: ever seen the series eden of the east.Oct 01 11:22
iophknoOct 01 11:22
oiaohmiophk: eden of the east flip phone I would love to have.Oct 01 11:22
iophkdon't they break after some use?Oct 01 11:23
oiaohmiophk: I have a 10 year old flip phone I have used dayly.Oct 01 11:25
iophkmost netbooks or notebooks die physically long before that.Oct 01 11:26
iophkThe connection between the screen and the main box starts to go usually.Oct 01 11:26
oiaohmiophk: http://www.japanator.com/elephant/ul/9937-620x-edenoftheeastcellphone.jpg  NEC did up prototype of the phone then never put it into mass production.Oct 01 11:27
oiaohmiophk: the design is that you can stand it like a webcam on a desk as well as use as a phone.Oct 01 11:27
iophkstrangeOct 01 11:27
iophkkind of ugly thoughOct 01 11:28
iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/nsa-americans-metadata-year-documentsOct 01 11:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | NSA stores metadata of millions of web users for up to a year, secret files show | World news | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fryeh ]Oct 01 11:28
oiaohmiophk: kind ugly is why I like it.   I phone is a tool so why should it look perfectly nice.Oct 01 11:31
oiaohmiophk: http://lightofthedawn.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/konachan-com-50838-higashi_no_eden.jpg  anime serries picture.Oct 01 11:32
oiaohmiophk: the romain numbers 1 to 12 on the phone in the series are individual peoples like logs/blogs of activies they are doing.Oct 01 11:34
oiaohmiophk: yes you could call it a true social media phone.Oct 01 11:34
oiaohmiophk: mind you nothing could be as ugly as my first phone that was a bag phone.Oct 01 11:36
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iophkIs this the same part of NIST that was infiltrated a few years ago by M$ to bend it into supporting OOXML?Oct 01 14:25
iophkhttps://threatpost.com/silent-circle-moving-away-from-nist-ciphers-in-wake-of-nsa-revelations/102452Oct 01 14:25
TechrightsBot-trthreatpost.com | Silent Circle Moving Away From NIST Ciphers in Wake of NSA Revelations | Threatpost  [ http://ur1.ca/fskk4 ]Oct 01 14:25
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iophkhttp://www.openbsd.org/papers/eurobsdcon_2013_kde4/img25.htmlOct 01 14:53
TechrightsBot-trwww.openbsd.org | Slide 26  [ http://ur1.ca/fskwm ]Oct 01 14:53
iophkKDEOct 01 14:53
iophknot sure if it's seriousOct 01 14:53
MinceRwhere do they get metrics like this?Oct 01 14:54
iophkno source givenOct 01 14:54
MinceRi doubt it's seriousOct 01 14:54
iophkprobably not, it would be hard to guessOct 01 14:54
iophkThere aren't really any mechanism for monitoring usage in OpenBSDOct 01 14:54
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 01 17:13
DaemonFCIt's a good thing they're not hosting on Windows Server, or it would have totally collapsed and wouldn't even be loading the main page at this point. Oct 01 17:13
DaemonFC(on the health insurance exchange website)Oct 01 17:13
iophkbased on the Guardian article linked to earlier:Oct 01 17:14
iophkhttp://hothardware.com/News/Former-Microsoft-Privacy-Chief-Says-He-No-Longer-Trusts-The-Company/Oct 01 17:14
TechrightsBot-trhothardware.com | Former Microsoft Privacy Chief Says He No Longer Trusts The Company - HotHardware  [ http://ur1.ca/fsmxt ]Oct 01 17:14
iophkThis one has a map of the traffic through the USOct 01 17:14
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Oct 01 17:23
DaemonFCWell, I've never had a problem with a Fedora update, but we have bittorrent and a few hundred mirrors with lots of bandwidth.Oct 01 17:23
DaemonFCIt doesn't surprise me that Apple's update servers get flaky. As long as your credit card gets billed first, they have no reason to care.Oct 01 17:23
DaemonFCMaybe Apple should just turn their customers computers into a mandatory botnet like certain other proprietary software does to keep their hosting costs down. It's not like the users have the power to make this sort of software stop doing nasty things to them. :) Oct 01 17:23
DaemonFC(in reply to someone that mentioned that Apple's update servers have issues on release days)Oct 01 17:24
DaemonFCAT&T has raised prices again.Oct 01 17:40
DaemonFCA basic phone line with no features is now $23 plus taxes and fees.Oct 01 17:41
roy_> FYIOct 01 18:45
roy_> Oct 01 18:45
roy_> http://infojustice.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Brazilian_Patent_Reform.pdfOct 01 18:45
roy_> Oct 01 18:45
roy_> Amongst others very interesting pages ten or so pages concerningOct 01 18:45
roy_> software patents ( beginning at page 199 ).Oct 01 18:45
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385097697222754305Oct 01 18:57
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Microsoft's legacy of violating privacy and lying about it http://t.co/LczjBXOBAr #microsoft #privacyOct 01 18:57
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MinceR182401 < DaemonFC> Maybe Apple should just turn their customers computers into a mandatory botnet like certain other proprietary software does to keep their hosting costs down. It's not like Oct 01 19:37
MinceR                   the users have the power to make this sort of software stop doing nasty things to them. :) Oct 01 19:37
MinceRhow do you know they aren't?Oct 01 19:37
MinceRthey totally own hypeDevices in a way people who paid for them don'tOct 01 19:37
Sosumihttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ3NDEOct 01 19:57
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] NVIDIA Drops Linux Driver Feature Not Found On Windows  [ http://ur1.ca/fspaj ]Oct 01 19:57
Sosumimore "love" from nvidia Oct 01 19:57
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Sosumiaccording to Bernays, the inclusion of the rudimentary thumb scan on the hypePhone, was a concerted move between apple and cigar cutter manufacturers in order to sell cigar cuttersOct 01 20:01
Sosumitrue storyOct 01 20:01
Sosumiwith prosthectics manufacturers thrown somewhere in the middleOct 01 20:03
Sosumiand the conspiracy keeps building upOct 01 20:04
MinceR:)Oct 01 20:05
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sebsebseb Oct 01 20:13
Sosumisebsebseb, seb³ would be much more efficientOct 01 20:17
iophksosumi: irc can't do unicode in namesOct 01 20:17
Sosumishame on me thenOct 01 20:17
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sebsebsebSosumi: that would ruin my whole name thing toOct 01 20:25
sebsebsebit's got nothing too do with a 3 in the air Oct 01 20:25
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Sosumithat mathOct 01 20:32
Sosumispot the differencesOct 01 20:38
Sosumiwww.nasa.govOct 01 20:39
Sosumiwww.nsa.govOct 01 20:39
Sosuminsa finally updated :)Oct 01 20:39
SosumiI bet they were too busy editing "David Cameron's Camera ON"Oct 01 20:41
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iophkmarketeering disguised as 'research' http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/10/01/1747235/the-memo-that-spawned-microsoft-researchOct 01 21:00
TechrightsBot-trtech.slashdot.org | The Memo That Spawned Microsoft Research - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/fsqc6 ]Oct 01 21:00
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roy_1indeedOct 01 21:34
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385140466033131520Oct 01 21:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Uploaded about 150 photos from last month http://t.co/GznPwzOxbgOct 01 21:35
TechrightsBot-tr-> schestowitz.com | Around ManchesterOct 01 21:35
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385141106562039808Oct 01 21:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Slashdot is running Microsoft Slashvertisements again. Some fake 'news' about Microsoft 'Research'. #slashdotOct 01 21:36
roy_1Nathan Myhrvold and xconomyOct 01 21:37
roy_1typical MS talking pointsOct 01 21:37
roy_1https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385141818037653505  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385142124444135424 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/385143069680861184Oct 01 21:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Wilder than ski jump http://t.co/jY5JwCmfotOct 01 21:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Collaboration http://t.co/8Sa21tAm0JOct 01 21:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Two #Mormon 'missionaries' wasted two hours of my time (and my wife's) this morning. It's like traveling salesmen, theist edition...Oct 01 21:45
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3124228Oct 01 21:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Ubuntu continues to push the envelope and aggravate the community with each new release"' http://blog.linuxacademy.com/linux/ubuntu-linux-13-10-preview-docking-with-mir/Oct 01 21:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> blog.linuxacademy.com | Ubuntu Linux 13.10 Preview: Docking With Mir | Linux Academy Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/fs191 ]Oct 01 21:46
roy_1"Have been enjoying Linux Mint Debian Edition myself."Oct 01 21:47
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3126974Oct 01 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #nsa is suppressing journalism http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/30/email-surveillance-could-reveal-journalists-sources-expert-claimsOct 01 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Email surveillance could reveal journalists' sources, expert claims | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fsff0 ]Oct 01 21:48
roy_1"Maybe, to protect leakers, someone could make a "lemmings" email program for journalists, scientists and government employees that would create regular bogus communications that could be filtered out by a message contained key phrase. The program could be distributed by Union of Concerned Scientists, government employee unions, etc. It would establish regular, random communications between the user and major newspapers."Oct 01 21:48
roy_1https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3128339Oct 01 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft's legacy of violating privacy and lying about it http://hothardware.com/News/Former-Microsoft-Privacy-Chief-Says-He-No-Longer-Trusts-The-Company/ #microsoft #privacyOct 01 21:48
TechrightsBot-tr-> hothardware.com | Former Microsoft Privacy Chief Says He No Longer Trusts The Company - HotHardware  [ http://ur1.ca/fsmxt ]Oct 01 21:48
roy_1'Oct 01 21:48
roy_1"<sarcasm> WoW I am shocked </sarcaasm>"Oct 01 21:49
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Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-01/shut-day-humor-government-closedOct 01 22:41
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Shut Day Humor: Is The Government Closed? | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/fss2y ]Oct 01 22:41
Sosumiwell ofc not, the "invisible" government composed by the military/intelligence industrial complex and special interest groups continue in sound operationOct 01 22:43
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/Db79A43.pngOct 01 23:22
MinceRgnOct 01 23:28
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