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iophkhttp://www.itworld.com/it-management/382961/eu-net-neutrality-proposal-threatens-privacy-says-data-protection-supervisorNov 17 08:26
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schestowitzpostedNov 17 09:02
iophkokNov 17 09:02
schestowitziophk:i the next two days will be productiveNov 17 09:02
schestowitztonight I work  but am free daytimeNov 17 09:03
schestowitztomorrow free all dayNov 17 09:03
iophkniceNov 17 09:03
schestowitzand wife is going to charge within a few minutes, so no distractionsNov 17 09:03
iophkThis digest is consistently active : http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/Nov 17 09:05
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3298201Nov 17 09:15
schestowitzWoohoo, a touch-screen on my TV! How does that work, I wonder? ... and how does my TV not end up all covered withttps://diasp.org/stream#h fingerprints? (ignoring the fact that it is now covered with dust)"Nov 17 09:15
schestowitziophk: what main sources are left for Linux news aggregation?Nov 17 09:16
iophkno real main onesNov 17 09:16
schestowitzI could think of LXer, LinuxToday, Linux.com, and Google NewsNov 17 09:16
schestowitzThere used to be moreNov 17 09:16
iophkGoogle news is poor in that regardNov 17 09:16
iophk /. used to cover a lot but not for a whileNov 17 09:16
iophkLinux.com has been picking up a lot but not necessarily so quickly.Nov 17 09:17
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3298304Nov 17 09:17
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3298304Nov 17 09:17
schestowitzMy Android phone creepily found some old "me" images ... meNov 17 09:17
schestowitzNot sure if you can see that or not ..Nov 17 09:17
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:17
schestowitziophk: linux.com also chooses off-topic stuffNov 17 09:17
schestowitzi.e. not linux-relayedNov 17 09:17
schestowitzlots of CBS/ZDNet stuffNov 17 09:17
iophkYes, I rarely visit.Nov 17 09:17
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:17
schestowitz... without my signing in to gmail or g+ as far as I can remember ...Nov 17 09:17
schestowitzLike the NSA, but they want to spam you with ads instead of putting you on a terris' list.Nov 17 09:17
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:17
iophkZDNet rarely covers anything relevant, with all those Microsofters on staff.Nov 17 09:18
schestowitzFSDaily and Digg were going for a whileNov 17 09:18
iophkDigg had an anti-ODF agenda from the staffNov 17 09:18
schestowitzThere are many pro-Microsoftr blogs inZDNetNov 17 09:18
schestowitzsome DEDICAREDNov 17 09:18
schestowitz*cATEDNov 17 09:18
iophkFSDaily is technically alive, but not getting over that threshold needed to pump daily articles through.Nov 17 09:19
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293056Nov 17 09:19
iophkJoinup sometimes has Linux newNov 17 09:19
iophknewsNov 17 09:19
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/allNov 17 09:19
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:20
schestowitzWhat I remember from my journalism class is different. There the explanation for the lede (I hate that spelling, but apparently it is correct) was that the assumption was that a reader was progressively less likely to read to the end of any story. The emphasis is therefore on putting the most important material first.Nov 17 09:20
schestowitzThis, of course, is its own kind of evil. Inevitably, the decision about what is most important in a story (hence the occasional criticism of "burying the lede") is somewhat arbitrary.Nov 17 09:20
schestowitzThe other factor is that news stories are written for an eighth-grade reading level. I haven't seen an adequate justification for this decision. We do, in the United States, have a very anti-intellectual society. But the anti-intellectuals aren't reading the newspaper anyway, and probably never were.Nov 17 09:20
schestowitzSo we have two things happening here: 1) a compression of the who, what, why, how, and where of a story into a thirty-word lede; and 2) dumbed-down, short sentences with small vocabulary words to avoid the accusation of intellectual snobbery.Nov 17 09:20
schestowitzThere's a lot to criticize here. But I don't attribute it to the need to fit a story around advertising. Notice my mother's point that lots of advertising means (counterintuitively to me, at least) more space for news. She claims they're keeping a certain ratio of news to advertising (but doesn't say what it is).Nov 17 09:20
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:20
schestowitziophk: no RSS feed for it last time I checkedNov 17 09:20
schestowitzand it's run mosrly by that one Danish guyNov 17 09:20
schestowitzwhose name I can't rememberNov 17 09:20
iophkI though he was DutchNov 17 09:20
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:21
schestowitzActually, Roy, the connotation of the word content was the crux of my disagreement with Will. And my mother (I really did try to phrase the question neutrally to her, but couldn't entirely) pulled the rug out from under me on that one.Nov 17 09:21
schestowitzI have to concede to my mother on this one. She's the one who's actually worked in newsrooms. If she agrees with (gasp) Stallman about the word content, then I have little choice.Nov 17 09:21
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:21
schestowitz"@Roy - I use Joomla mainly, so while I use Wordpress once or twice a month, I admit it's been a long time since I specifically went looking for if it did revisions (obviously). Thanks for updating my WP knowledge."Nov 17 09:21
iophkClose, he is Belgian.Nov 17 09:21
schestowitzChomsky says something along the lines of, to the media, "content" are the ads they show in between a show's segment and the show is "fill" -- something that use to keep the viewer watching between commercial breaks.Nov 17 09:22
schestowitziophk: ahNov 17 09:22
schestowitzmaybe FlemmishNov 17 09:22
schestowitzI thought it by the sameNov 17 09:22
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/all/feedNov 17 09:23
iophkIt has a RSS feed now.Nov 17 09:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277280Nov 17 09:24
schestowitz"I am so in over my head on this one..."Nov 17 09:24
schestowitziophk: my thunderbird broke after h/w issuesNov 17 09:24
schestowitzI can';t add new feeds :/Nov 17 09:24
schestowitzSo need some other sites to point me to hifglightsNov 17 09:24
iophkCan you export your configuration and then try a new profile?Nov 17 09:25
schestowitzbut anyway I'm never managing to keep on top of the RSS feeds anymoreNov 17 09:25
schestowitzFor a number of years I was able toNov 17 09:25
iophkThunderbird seems to corrupt from time to time.Nov 17 09:25
schestowitzThat would be too riskyNov 17 09:25
iophkTHere's also a newsletter subscription.Nov 17 09:25
schestowitzit also takes up a GB of RAM whenever I start itNov 17 09:25
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/people/mypageNov 17 09:25
schestowitzI live with this nuisance for months  nowNov 17 09:25
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293427Nov 17 09:26
schestowitz"The only thing I can say about Tor is that it is much, much faster than it used to be. Yes, it lags. But it is almost tolerable."Nov 17 09:26
iophkTor router in a box : http://www.bsdnow.tv/tutorials/openbsd-routerNov 17 09:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293443Nov 17 09:26
schestowitz"Jonathan Turley has a guest blog about something similar to this: Lawrence E. Rafferty, "Criminal Defendants and Wireless Wiretaps: One Small Victory?" Jonathan Turley.org, October 27, 2013, http://jonathanturley.org/2013/10/27/criminal-defendants-and-wireless-wiretaps-one-small-victory/ Withholding the truth about how evidence was actually obtained seems to be a real problem."Nov 17 09:26
schestowitz"I know it's slow at the moment, but surely a lot of that is due to the difference in the number of people using Tor versus being a Tor relay. If everyone was doing both, those numbers would even out more. I'll grant it would still be slower than what we have, but it would be a hell of a lot more secure, and faster than using Tor is currently, I'd think."Nov 17 09:27
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283858Nov 17 09:29
schestowitz"And the weighting that you'll give any specific piece of evidence."Nov 17 09:29
schestowitzgotra get some IRC posts out... bblNov 17 09:31
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schestowitz"Let me preface this by saying that I have no idea who's grinding this particular axe, be it a pro-Elop or anti-Elop faction, attaché or partisan. If Mr. Elop was, as his critics suggest, a trojan horse for Microsoft during his brief but turbulent tenure as Nokia's CEO, then he's certainly earned his spurs vis-a-vis the folks in Redmond, regardless of whether they're singing his praises in Keilaniemi."Nov 17 11:13
schestowitzhttp://seekingalpha.com/article/1833892-a-microsoft-spin-off-may-be-in-the-cards-regardless-of-ceo-pickNov 17 11:13
schestowitztechrights citedNov 17 11:13
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schestowitzhttps://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9stLefQDWWA/UhB4EK3XEdI/AAAAAAAAhvM/ZZeFKe2h6vw/w342-h281-no/1503.gifNov 17 12:27
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402077438353502208Nov 17 14:16
schestowitzDamn, i should never link to them againNov 17 14:17
iophkoldish - http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/08/new-api-severely-restricts-third-party-twitter-applications/Nov 17 14:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402078002147647488Nov 17 14:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/julian0liver/status/402090512322007041Nov 17 15:19
schestowitzhe made it ambiguous.Nov 17 15:19
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/flemingjude/status/402093718498328576Nov 17 15:36
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/402105893749129216Nov 17 16:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/402105957536133120Nov 17 16:10
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/402105893749129216Nov 17 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr@glynmoody: @julian0liver @schestowitz yes, but the point is he afterwards said he wasn't asked - because he was legally obliged to; his father isn't...Nov 17 16:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/402105957536133120Nov 17 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr@glynmoody: @schestowitz @julian0liver exactly; his father removes the ambiguityNov 17 16:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/flemingjude/status/402093718498328576Nov 17 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr@flemingjude: @schestowitz Found this today: http://t.co/kvRymLyh3U HugeNov 17 16:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402077438353502208Nov 17 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @schestowitz "http://t.co/Tk3svGIrP9 articles are only available to registered users" :(Nov 17 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.ft.com | World business, finance, and political news from the Financial Times - FT.comNov 17 16:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402078002147647488Nov 17 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @schestowitz no idea... but I was pretty much wondering when they kicked me off that article :))Nov 17 16:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/julian0liver/status/402090512322007041Nov 17 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr@julian0liver: @glynmoody @schestowitz Linus himself admitted he was asked at Linuxcon http://t.co/uNDNeoRwwBNov 17 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.eweek.com | Linus Torvalds Talks Linux Development at LinuxConNov 17 16:15
schestowitzI got like 50 retweets of thisNov 17 16:15
schestowitzit's massive today (on a Sunday, too)Nov 17 16:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402110758747525120Nov 17 16:33
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @glynmoody @schestowitz @julian0liver no, he doesn't. Not really. It remains just as ambiguous as it was.Nov 17 16:33
schestowitzI can't see the ambiguityNov 17 16:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402111667221196800Nov 17 16:34
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @glynmoody @schestowitz @julian0liver he just sais what "people understood", no talk about facts...Nov 17 16:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402112438117470208 https://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402112784604745728Nov 17 16:44
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @schestowitz @glynmoody @julian0liver as said. The Message is about what people "understood", not about facts. Political Wording...Nov 17 16:44
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @glynmoody @schestowitz @julian0liver "2 answers, one is correct", he didn't say which one, only mentioned what "everybody understood".Nov 17 16:44
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iophkhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/15/jeremy-hammond-sentenced_n_4280738.htmlNov 17 18:07
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.com | Jeremy Hammond Sentenced To 10 Years In Prison  [ http://ur1.ca/g1xz6 ]Nov 17 18:07
iophkhttp://rt.com/usa/jeremy-hammond-sentence-nyc-785/Nov 17 18:09
iophk"The controversial case has also ensnared the presiding judge,   Loretta Preska, whose husband Thomas Kaveler was implicated in   the leaked emails."Nov 17 18:09
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | Stratfor hacker Jeremy Hammond sentenced to ten years in jail — RT USA  [ http://ur1.ca/g1xzi ]Nov 17 18:09
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zeth0/status/402139543224467456Nov 17 18:26
TechrightsBot-tr@zeth0: RT: #NSA tried to ask #Linus to Install Backdoors into #Linux - http://t.co/PdewxugL5c (v @schestowitz) (via @glynmoody)Nov 17 18:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> falkvinge.net | NSA Asked Linus Torvalds To Install Backdoors Into GNU/Linux - Falkvinge on InfopolicyNov 17 18:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3301809Nov 17 18:31
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The US DHS wants to treat people like cattle http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy/privacy_advcom_rpt_rfid_draft.pdf why not ask IBM for help? They helped Hitler.Nov 17 18:31
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schestowitz"ACK. That this is even up for discussion is... terrifying. Certainly heard rumors about this shit, but seeing it on paper is a whole other thing."Nov 17 18:31
iophkhttp://venturebeat.com/2013/11/16/friday-shame-facebook-reminds-you-that-your-posts-are-also-its-ads/Nov 17 18:37
TechrightsBot-trventurebeat.com | Friday Shame: Facebook reminds you that your posts are also its ads | VentureBeat  [ http://ur1.ca/g1y68 ]Nov 17 18:37
schestowitztaNov 17 18:41
schestowitzwill post laterNov 17 18:45
schestowitzmany articles coming tomorrowNov 17 18:45
schestowitzIRC logs and many posts releases on the SundayNov 17 18:45
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sebsebsebiophk: hmmNov 17 19:10
sebsebsebiophk: not sure, but I think he might be trying to cut my proposlas out, when I am still meant to be able to propse themNov 17 19:10
iophkit's possibleNov 17 19:11
iophkthe way the voting was described sounded suspicious.  Just roll ahead though.Nov 17 19:11
sebsebsebiophk: yeah, but I just got this emalNov 17 19:11
sebsebsebandNov 17 19:11
sebsebsebits unclearNov 17 19:11
sebsebsebiophk: sound like he won't add new proposals nwNov 17 19:11
sebsebsebor if they are lateNov 17 19:11
sebsebsebnot sure which it isNov 17 19:11
iophkJust roll ahead then.Nov 17 19:12
iophkYou got them finished yesterday.Nov 17 19:12
iophkOr the day before.Nov 17 19:12
sebsebsebiophk: If there are any late contributions I MAY need to add amendments to help run the meeting better.  I will NOT be adding any new proposals. Nov 17 19:12
sebsebsebwhat does that mean?Nov 17 19:12
iophkHard to say.  When did  you submit your proposals?Nov 17 19:13
sebsebsebiophk: I have't sent a upate yetNov 17 19:13
sebsebsebiophk: he's done his ordering thing already it seemsNov 17 19:13
iophkFinish sending it.Nov 17 19:13
sebsebsebthat he said he would do on o MondayNov 17 19:15
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iophkhttp://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/5265Nov 17 19:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.raspberrypi.org | TWO MILLION! | Raspberry PiNov 17 19:16
sebsebsebiophk: I'll show you on pastebin hold onNov 17 19:16
sebsebsebiophk: I think he may be trying to push my thing outNov 17 19:18
sebsebsebiophk: and probaby been tryng to do that without it seeming, so for weeksNov 17 19:18
iophkProbably but finish the proposals anyway.Nov 17 19:18
iophkOr the updatesNov 17 19:18
sebsebsebiophk: he probably doesn't like me or something, since he's nearly 60, and I am 26, so not on the same pageNov 17 19:18
iophkCould be.Nov 17 19:19
iophkYou should start an installfest like you initially talked about.Nov 17 19:19
sebsebsebso not thinking aike enough it seemsNov 17 19:19
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sebsebsebiophk: or I could re sign from the event and make that publiic on the LUG list or something?Nov 17 19:19
sebsebsebnot that many peope would care, but stillNov 17 19:20
iophkno point in making noiseNov 17 19:20
iophkno return on the effortNov 17 19:20
iophkwill you get the updates in today?Nov 17 19:20
sebsebsebiophk: I am not sure if he wil still take any updatesNov 17 19:24
iophkSend them and find out.Nov 17 19:24
sebsebsebiophk: see my pmNov 17 19:25
iophkHe's succeeded in making it bureaucratic.Nov 17 19:26
iophkSend your updates anyway.Nov 17 19:26
sebsebsebiophk: how?Nov 17 19:26
sebsebsebiophk: now it' more confussingNov 17 19:26
sebsebsebhow am I meant to put in my updaes?Nov 17 19:26
iophkThe way you would have done them yesterday.Nov 17 19:27
sebsebsebiophk: ,but now he's orderd some propssl etcNov 17 19:27
sebsebsebiophk: what does bureaucratic mean exactly? it's a politcla termNov 17 19:27
iophkpaperworkNov 17 19:29
iophkrather than task-orientedNov 17 19:29
sebsebsebis that what it means?Nov 17 19:29
sebsebsebhe's always been about his forms etcNov 17 19:29
sebsebsebfrom the beginigngNov 17 19:29
sebsebsebiophk: the meeting notes etcNov 17 19:29
sebsebsebwhat do you mean paperwork rather than task-oriented?Nov 17 19:30
iophkhttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bureaucraticNov 17 19:30
TechrightsBot-tren.wiktionary.org | bureaucratic - Wiktionary  [ http://ur1.ca/g1ye6 ]Nov 17 19:30
sebsebsebI  was on hat page before I Think or whateverNov 17 19:31
iophkcomplex, inefficientNov 17 19:31
MinceRlike windows?Nov 17 19:32
sebsebsebohama: structure and regulations to control someting?Nov 17 19:32
sebsebsebis that what it means?Nov 17 19:32
iophkrules for the sake of rulesNov 17 19:32
iophkoften conflicting and contradictoryNov 17 19:32
iophkMinceR: like Windows exactlyNov 17 19:32
MinceR:)Nov 17 19:32
sebsebsebiophk: rules that confuse peopleNov 17 19:33
sebsebseband cause problems?Nov 17 19:33
iophkyepNov 17 19:33
sebsebsebwanting to do a vote weeks laterNov 17 19:33
sebsebsebon the tech stuffNov 17 19:33
sebsebsebafter doing fudning and venueNov 17 19:33
sebsebsebwhen should have decided the tech stuff propery earlier on!Nov 17 19:33
sebsebseb?Nov 17 19:33
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sebsebsebwhat happended there?Nov 17 19:34
iophknetworkingNov 17 19:34
sebsebseb[19:33] <sebsebseb> wanting to do a vote weeks laterNov 17 19:34
sebsebseb[19:33] <sebsebseb> on the tech stuffNov 17 19:34
sebsebseb[19:33] <sebsebseb> after doing fudning and venueNov 17 19:34
sebsebseb[19:33] <sebsebseb> when should have decided the tech stuff propery earlier on!Nov 17 19:34
sebsebseb[19:33] <sebsebseb> ?Nov 17 19:34
iophkyeah, doing stuff backwardsNov 17 19:35
sebsebsebwell he wantd to see demo's of remasters, I coudn't make mine yet, but that's not realy itNov 17 19:35
sebsebsebwe coud have talked more proeprly about distros and interfaces at the begiingNov 17 19:35
sebsebseband  made more concrete decisons thenNov 17 19:36
sebsebseb,but  at the meetings he wanted ot ignore the tech stuffNov 17 19:36
sebsebsebhe didn't want to discuss it muchNov 17 19:36
sebsebsebhe wanted to focus on other thngs,  and  try and get the bus etc, he wasn't happy after that first meeting, when it ended later, becuase we talked tech stuff toNov 17 19:36
sebsebseband so he din't get his busNov 17 19:36
iophkhiding behind papers and making up rulesNov 17 19:36
iophkJust send your updates and not worry.Nov 17 19:37
sebsebsebiophk: yeah and not seeing things from differnet angles it seems toNov 17 19:37
sebsebsebpeoples difernet review points and whyNov 17 19:37
sebsebsebiophk: and if he starts sayign he won't accept new propslas now?Nov 17 19:37
sebsebsebwhta do I sayNov 17 19:37
sebsebsebthat he said I had until MondayNov 17 19:37
iophkyepNov 17 19:37
sebsebsebor Monday evening eenNov 17 19:37
iophkand you're thus getting the updates in earlyNov 17 19:37
sebsebsebon timeNov 17 19:38
sebsebsebnot early, but on tme sureNov 17 19:38
sebsebsebiophk: well in this time zone there's four hours and  a bit left of SundayNov 17 19:38
sebsebsebso I guess I need to get my concrete proposal emaild before Sunday is over!Nov 17 19:38
sebsebsebthen I can realy say, if he start,s that he said I had untll MondayNov 17 19:39
iophkIf you get them in on Sunday, they are early.Nov 17 19:39
sebsebseband that he also sai he would organise things on Monday not SundayNov 17 19:39
sebsebsebhe's orgnaised today, but he said he would on MondayNov 17 19:39
sebsebsebMonday/Tueday he didn't say SundayNov 17 19:39
sebsebsebiophk: ok help me, you saw that thing, what am  I am going to put exactly?Nov 17 19:40
sebsebsebiophk: in fact I got an ideaNov 17 19:40
sebsebsebMinceR: come help to if you wantNov 17 19:40
sebsebsebI am going to do a piratepad :)Nov 17 19:40
sebsebsebiophk: so you can help me edit the document that's the idea :)Nov 17 19:42
iophkThere's not much to add I thought.Nov 17 19:42
sebsebsebiophk: well ther is and isn't, I'll show you what I did yesterday  on this as well, but I Think not  quite ike what I did yesterday, uh Friday atsulyNov 17 19:43
sebsebsebiophk: http://piratepad.net/Q4DtWAgAGSNov 17 19:43
TechrightsBot-trpiratepad.net | PiratePad: Q4DtWAgAGSNov 17 19:43
sebsebsebgo thereNov 17 19:43
sebsebsebiophk: it loaded up ok I guessNov 17 19:45
_Goblin:) Hi allNov 17 19:53
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sebsebsebiophk: MinceR backcomputer issuesNov 17 20:00
iophkokNov 17 20:00
sebsebseband I see you both left the padNov 17 20:00
sebsebsebiophk: MinceR isn't it a bit strange to have Unity, but no GNOME ShellNov 17 20:01
sebsebseband  Cinnaon, but no GNOME Shel to in a wayNov 17 20:01
iophkok mate instead of cinnamonNov 17 20:01
sebsebsebaltough UNity is what it is, since Canonal didn't want go go with GNOME Shell for the desktopNov 17 20:01
sebsebseband  both Cinnamon and Mate exist, since the GNOME 3 disikersNov 17 20:01
sebsebsebiophk: no I jus think GNOME 3 GNOME Shll should be there sine it's a major upstrema projectNov 17 20:02
sebsebseb,but they don't seem to think soNov 17 20:02
sebsebsebalso GNOME Shell is better than UnityNov 17 20:02
sebsebsebiophk: they just want Windows like interfaces really, and they might do Uity to it seemsNov 17 20:02
sebsebseb,but I think GNOME Shell should be there to if UnityNov 17 20:02
sebsebseb,but then what distro is goign to have ti Mageia? if it's one distro per interface,  and they want 3 distros reallyNov 17 20:03
iophksimplification by having oneNov 17 20:03
sebsebsebiophk: it was maybe easier at the bbeinign 2 or 3 distros, and we had only 3, and then the Uuntu guy joined us and we got four hmmNov 17 20:03
sebsebsebiophk: irght, it seems KDE is going to be used in openSUSENov 17 20:03
sebsebseband so Magiea is out, unless I can persuade them to use it for GNOME Nov 17 20:03
iophkKDE in MageiaNov 17 20:04
sebsebsebit semsNov 17 20:04
sebsebsebiophk: we would want that, but the others nopeNov 17 20:04
sebsebsebthey sem to want KDE in openSUSE you seen the proposalsNov 17 20:04
sebsebseb3 or 4 vs 1 I am out voted for that one thenNov 17 20:04
iophkKeep talking with them individuallyNov 17 20:04
sebsebsebiophk: I can try with GNOME 3, but I think that's not going to get used as wellNov 17 20:04
MinceRsebsebseb: i don't care for gnome shell eitherNov 17 20:04
iophkGNOME is over.Nov 17 20:04
sebsebsebI have one shot it seems to get Mageia in, and that's GNOMENov 17 20:05
iophkMate instead of GnomeNov 17 20:05
sebsebsebunless I realy can persaaude the propery why it should be used instead of openSUSE for KDE, maybeNov 17 20:05
iophkOr KDE on MageiaNov 17 20:05
sebsebsebthey won't have KDE on Mageia,  that's what I am saying, I don't think they will go with that, since they want openSUSE for thatNov 17 20:05
sebsebsebalso if it's one interface per distro, what's going to run Mate?Nov 17 20:06
sebsebsebif  Mint is doing Cinnamon, Open SUSE is KDE, what's going ot run Mate?   there's no live sesssion of Mate unforuatnly for MageiaNov 17 20:06
sebsebsebreally Mate just exists since the GNOME 3 whiner same with CinnamonNov 17 20:08
sebsebseband yeah looks ike we having Uuntu twice then, with those minor MInt diffeerncesNov 17 20:08
iophkMint is reduntant if Ubuntu is there.  It just has toxic mono that needs to be removed to make it ok.Nov 17 20:09
sebsebsebwe been through that many times alreadyNov 17 20:09
iophkyepNov 17 20:09
sebsebseb,but that's now how they see things it seemsNov 17 20:09
sebsebsebthat's not how they see things it seemsNov 17 20:09
iophkdid you write to them lately?Nov 17 20:10
sebsebsebI even did a meail before to them before saying how simlar          Ubuntu and Mint were and all thatNov 17 20:10
sebsebseb,but made no differenceNov 17 20:10
iophkI think the earlier suggestion about putting things on paper would have been good.Nov 17 20:10
sebsebsebputting what on paper?Nov 17 20:11
sebsebsebI done a few opinion emails before, if that's what you meanNov 17 20:11
iophkYour ideasNov 17 20:11
sebsebseb I didNov 17 20:11
sebsebsebI did a few emailsNov 17 20:11
iophkthen discussing them with the groupNov 17 20:11
iophke-mail != paperNov 17 20:11
sebsebsebweren't always properly understood by this older guy, but stillNov 17 20:11
iophkpaper = paperNov 17 20:11
sebsebsebI also tried to discus tings a bit at meetings Nov 17 20:11
sebsebsebiophk: I have to make a prposl forNov 17 20:12
sebsebsebiophk: well I gues my general idea the longer thingNov 17 20:12
sebsebsebor somethingNov 17 20:12
sebsebsebiophk: I was gong to put my Friday stuff to onto the piratepad, but I see you left it agianNov 17 20:12
sebsebsebiophk: for me I think, Cinnamon and Mate are a comboNov 17 20:13
sebsebsebin my eyes they arereallyNov 17 20:13
iophkthe sameNov 17 20:13
sebsebseband I think if having Unity shoud have GNOME Shell, since they are similer intefacesNov 17 20:13
sebsebsebI also think in the case of LXDE and XFCE don't really need both for this kind of thing, since they are so similarNov 17 20:13
iophk4b 4cNov 17 20:13
sebsebsebI like the combo idea's, but yet he's got this idea one distro per interfaceNov 17 20:14
sebsebsebGNOME and KDE tend to go together in distro's toNov 17 20:14
sebsebsebhence why I was trying to sugget  Mageia for both, or with Open Suse  and such,  and then I was thinking I could propse at least one interface in Mageia, if not the other or osomethingNov 17 20:14
sebsebsebiophk: I got the general idea, but I need to put it down propery into this thing it seems, and that's what I am trying to get help with here :)Nov 17 20:15
sebsebsebiophk: and 4b and 4c are no good I ThinkNov 17 20:15
iophkThen modify themNov 17 20:15
sebsebsebiophk: since Mageia doesn't have Live sessions, for anything,but KDE and GNOMENov 17 20:15
sebsebseban remember it's the remasterd live sesions idea they are going withNov 17 20:16
iophkXUbuntu or Lubuntu have liveNov 17 20:16
sebsebsebwell yeah, butNov 17 20:16
sebsebsebI don't think those wil be in eitherNov 17 20:16
sebsebsebsince if Ubuntu is in it will be for UnityNov 17 20:16
sebsebsebit seemsNov 17 20:16
sebsebseband that's itNov 17 20:16
iophkThey will be if you propose themNov 17 20:17
sebsebsebI tried that in something before to actsllyNov 17 20:17
sebsebsebiophk: I'll show you what I did on Friday i that piratpead hold onNov 17 20:17
sebsebseb,but htis all confusisng so many thigns i could proposeNov 17 20:17
iophkWrite them down and then prioritize.Nov 17 20:17
sebsebsebiophk: I started doing that on FRiday or kind of I thinkNov 17 20:18
sebsebsebiophk: ok fond the document from FridayNov 17 20:21
sebsebsebI'll put the contents on the pirpatpad now for you to seeNov 17 20:21
sebsebsebiophk: at the bottom of it see?Nov 17 20:22
iophkYESNov 17 20:23
sebsebsebiophk: yep so tere's that and I coul added more then I thought....  and I got this other idea that I'll type up in thre now as wellNov 17 20:23
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sebsebsebiophk: are you still seeing what I put there etc?Nov 17 20:31
iophkyesNov 17 20:31
Sosumihp suspended sales of chromebook 11Nov 17 20:32
iophksosumi: overheatingNov 17 20:32
iophk?Nov 17 20:32
Sosumiapparently due to overheating power adaptorsNov 17 20:32
SosumiyeajhNov 17 20:32
sebsebsebSosumi: oepnSUSE is going to make me qutie annoyed on Tuesday probably!Nov 17 20:34
Sosumialso bitcoin is at almost 350€, which isn't bad at allNov 17 20:35
Sosumiwhat the hell is a openSUSE? :PNov 17 20:35
sebsebsebSosumi: uhmm a Linux distro that MinceR has strong feelings of love for!Nov 17 20:35
SosumiI was just trolling :PNov 17 20:36
Sosumiat this moment only red hat and arch get my loveNov 17 20:36
sebsebsebSosumi: well openSUSE wil probably realy annoy me on TuesdayNov 17 20:37
Sosumiwhy?Nov 17 20:37
sebsebsebwhen Magiea probaly gets out voted by it!Nov 17 20:37
sebsebsebfor this eventNov 17 20:37
SosumisadNov 17 20:37
sebsebsebwell yeah it is in my caseNov 17 20:37
sebsebsebsince I been spending time doing stuff for this event, thinking Mageia would be in, and then well hmmNov 17 20:38
SosumiMageia = magician, why not say that if Mageia is voted inNov 17 20:38
SosumiGandalf would show upNov 17 20:38
sebsebsebSosumi: iophk  I think Mageia is a hard sale really her and there, and Thistelweb was saying that kind of stuff to me on Friday night toNov 17 20:39
Sosumiit'd be a nice PRNov 17 20:39
sebsebsebeven to get Linux users distro hopping to itNov 17 20:39
iophkyesNov 17 20:39
sebsebsebthat at times can be a hard sale I guessNov 17 20:39
sebsebsebiophk: what are you saying yes to /Nov 17 20:39
sebsebseb?Nov 17 20:39
iophkget Linux users distro hopping to itNov 17 20:39
sebsebsebsome haveNov 17 20:39
sebsebseb,but there's loads ofo ther ones out there Fedora etNov 17 20:40
sebsebsebcNov 17 20:40
iophkJust have the discs in your bag of swag to hand outNov 17 20:40
sebsebsebiophk: at the event yesNov 17 20:40
iophkFedora is another good choice but not so great as an introNov 17 20:40
sebsebsebif they can''t agree to just have it on a table or whatverNov 17 20:40
iophknot on a table...Nov 17 20:40
iophkyou have to give out swag in personNov 17 20:40
sebsebsebI can still bring some discs along and try and gie out to peope I guessNov 17 20:40
sebsebsebif I annoy a few of the other organisers whilst at itNov 17 20:40
sebsebsebso be it I guessNov 17 20:40
iophkso be itNov 17 20:41
sebsebsebit's not like they are my friendsNov 17 20:41
sebsebsebat the end of the day anyway, as has been recenty shown even more to meNov 17 20:41
sebsebsebiophk: what are they going to do arrest me? heh hehNov 17 20:41
iophktazerNov 17 20:41
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sebsebsebiophk: I am going to try and put that recent idea that I did on the piratepadNov 17 20:42
sebsebsebito their style on thereNov 17 20:42
sebsebsebfor you to seeNov 17 20:42
sebsebsebI think that's the way to doitNov 17 20:42
sebsebsebiophk: he did ai if gnome oneNov 17 20:42
sebsebsebotehrwise it's like going through distor,s saying  if  that this interfac, if this that interface etcNov 17 20:42
iophkyeah but it looked negative on gnomeNov 17 20:42
iophkLike I wrote, deciding the DE should come before the distros.Nov 17 20:43
sebsebsebwhat do you mean it looks negative on GNOME?  that GNOME 3 probably won't be in?Nov 17 20:43
iophkRightNov 17 20:43
sebsebsebwell he's not done it that wayNov 17 20:43
sebsebsebhe's done interfaces and distros togetherNov 17 20:43
MinceRtazer? but i don't even know 'er!Nov 17 20:43
sebsebsebiophk: maybe he's being negatie to GNOME 3 as you jst caled itNov 17 20:43
sebsebsebiophk: sice I made it clear enough I was posbilly wanting GNOME 3 in MageiaNov 17 20:43
sebsebsebI mean he has usedFedora himself this guyNov 17 20:44
sebsebseband so GNOME 3 for qute a while, altough he's likieing Mint and Cinnamon nowNov 17 20:44
sebsebsebiophk: if KDE I propse..Nov 17 20:44
sebsebsebifGNOME I PROSE...Nov 17 20:44
sebsebsebiophk: I think bothGNOME 3 and Magea are out some how thoughNov 17 20:45
sebsebseband I wanted both for the eventNov 17 20:45
sebsebsebhmmNov 17 20:45
sebsebsebI can try and that's it reallyNov 17 20:45
sebsebsebiophk: and I can get voted out on Tueday if I even bother goign to that in the endNov 17 20:45
iophkyepNov 17 20:45
sebsebseband get votedo ut probaby and then I can say soething about the vote not being fair etcNov 17 20:45
sebsebsebat the end or whateverNov 17 20:45
sebsebsebif I want to do thatNov 17 20:45
iophkstay if mageia stays?Nov 17 20:46
sebsebsebiophk: actsually I know  I would hae reacted to the being voted out possbly if I was 19 stil which I am notNov 17 20:46
sebsebsebsince something that happended....Nov 17 20:46
sebsebsebiophk: I could ask them as wlelNov 17 20:46
sebsebsebdo you still want me tovolunteer with this event or what?Nov 17 20:46
iophkWhat about #8 on the pad there?Nov 17 20:46
sebsebsebnot quite sure how I am going to react on Tueday if at that meetingNov 17 20:46
sebsebsebiophk: yeah I could try that maybeNov 17 20:47
sebsebseb,but I don't think they would like thatNov 17 20:47
iophkhave to try IMHONov 17 20:47
sebsebseband really the proposals have now been don anywayNov 17 20:48
sebsebsebdistro and interface  or  for yeahNov 17 20:48
iophkhe may not know the difference between a DE and a distroNov 17 20:48
sebsebseboh I think he doesNov 17 20:48
sebsebsebhe just thinks they are so simlar or whateverNov 17 20:48
iophkdoesn't sound like itNov 17 20:49
sebsebsebiophk: it's the uster expereinceNov 17 20:49
sebsebseband then distribution differences etcNov 17 20:49
sebsebsebI think he thinks they just go together  mainlyNov 17 20:49
sebsebsebiophk: not sure if I can do 8  though in the documentNov 17 20:50
sebsebsebsince it's meant to be a proposal for distros and interfaceNov 17 20:50
iophkIt's a proposalNov 17 20:50
sebsebsebthat will justwind them upNov 17 20:50
sebsebsebI thinkNov 17 20:50
sebsebsebor him upNov 17 20:50
iophkbecause they can't tell a distro from a DE?Nov 17 20:50
sebsebsebiophk: and even if that' done, I guess hten it wil be like,  Cinnamon KDENov 17 20:51
sebsebsebGNOME2Nov 17 20:51
sebsebsebiophk: did he really mean Mate when he aidGNOEM 2Nov 17 20:51
iophkProbablyNov 17 20:51
sebsebsebor  does he not know the difference between GNOME 2 and Mate?Nov 17 20:51
sebsebsebwhy didhe put GOME 2 andn ot MateNov 17 20:51
iophkprobably confused the twoNov 17 20:51
sebsebsebiophk: also why did he put  the oldmeetig date, into the hwat yu going to bring subject, insteado of the nwer?Nov 17 20:51
sebsebsebiophk: I think I can put 8 in a meal Nov 17 20:52
sebsebsebor suggest that for the agenda or somethingNov 17 20:52
sebsebsebiophk: to be honest I been sressed out orwhatever with this guy since the last LUG meetingNov 17 20:53
sebsebsebat the end of last monthNov 17 20:53
iophkI gatherNov 17 20:53
sebsebsebwhen he basically said you either do a remaster or...Nov 17 20:53
sebsebsebthe ultimatum thingNov 17 20:53
sebsebsebthen the proposal vote stuff in his way on the 7th etcNov 17 20:54
sebsebsebiophk: I am glad I am not canlleing my other group  over this meetngNov 17 20:54
sebsebsebgot it changed from Thursday to TuesdayNov 17 20:54
sebsebsebI think I Nee to go on Thursday :) not been a while now and yeah, it's ogodNov 17 20:54
sebsebsebspeaking groupNov 17 20:54
sebsebsebiophk: learn to public speak proeryNov 17 20:55
sebsebsebget evaulated and suchNov 17 20:55
iophkusefulNov 17 20:55
sebsebsebdo something with "average people"  most of them don't know cmputer stuff ofcourse, but yeahNov 17 20:55
sebsebsebiophk: right let's try and do a proposl in that style etc with the latest ideaNov 17 20:56
sebsebseband I guess that's that reallyNov 17 20:56
iophkokNov 17 20:56
sebsebseb,but I am doing on hte piratepad first so you can seeNov 17 20:56
iophkI like #8 bestNov 17 20:56
sebsebsebiophk: I mean I can propse loads of things,bbut I think I Just need to do suff in a way that makes senseNov 17 20:56
sebsebsebI like 8 as well, but I can't really put in the document itself, in a meail I guess I canNov 17 20:56
iophkYou can, it's a proposal.Nov 17 20:57
sebsebsebiophk: proposal is meant to be for distros and interfaces thoughNov 17 20:57
sebsebsebwhich ones to haveNov 17 20:57
sebsebsebbeing speicifc etcNov 17 20:57
iophkand thus it is on topicNov 17 20:57
iophkit is specificNov 17 20:57
sebsebsebI guess as a ike first proposalNov 17 20:57
sebsebsebI can put thatNov 17 20:57
sebsebseblike he suggestd the guy made a cut downNov 17 20:57
sebsebsebor  his if  gnome  suggeste GNOME 2Nov 17 20:58
sebsebsebiophk: do I order it, and put 8 as the ifrst one in this ting?Nov 17 20:58
sebsebsebor uhNov 17 20:58
sebsebsebthat's what confuses me to the numbers and  lettersNov 17 20:58
iophkYeahNov 17 20:58
iophkThe numbers and letters *are* confused.Nov 17 20:58
iophkJust arrange them so they make sense.  Nov 17 20:58
sebsebsebyeah need some hep wit that to I ThinkNov 17 20:59
sebsebsebthat's what I am going to try ow, put my stuff in, but in the latest documentNov 17 20:59
sebsebsebin that style etcNov 17 20:59
sebsebsebiophk: if interfaces are decded and they say no GNOME 3Nov 17 21:00
sebsebsebI can't just show GNOME 3 or uhNov 17 21:00
sebsebsebor  I can't get Mageia in  on  GNOME 3Nov 17 21:00
sebsebsebif  its 8 first,  it may just rule out how I am trying to get Mageia in seeNov 17 21:00
iophkthen negotiate mageia on some other DE Nov 17 21:00
sebsebsebther's only KDE and GNOME as optiosn for MageiaNov 17 21:01
sebsebsebsince  no live sessions for anything else unfortunattlyNov 17 21:01
sebsebseband it's remasters,  and I am not going to try and get something unoffical made forsome other DE or whatever you knwNov 17 21:01
iophkTHen they'll have to rethink the remaster thing after picking DENov 17 21:01
sebsebsebno they won'tNov 17 21:01
sebsebsebwhat happended is this atsulyNov 17 21:02
sebsebsebone of the first things that got decidd thefirst thing infactNov 17 21:02
sebsebsebin the first or second meeting, was to go with remastersNov 17 21:02
iophkWhy are you wasting time on them if they are so backwards and inflexible?Nov 17 21:02
sebsebsebiNov 17 21:02
iophkI would think they'd come around.Nov 17 21:02
sebsebsebI rememer sayig to a guy I'll look into itNov 17 21:02
sebsebsebiophk: nope seem really stuborn on the remasters idea'sNov 17 21:02
sebsebseband  giving them out on USB'sNov 17 21:02
iophkLOLNov 17 21:03
sebsebseboh, but Windows will reformat the USB you said beforeNov 17 21:03
sebsebsebuhmmm right yeah, but no I didn't tell them that yetNov 17 21:03
iophkyepNov 17 21:03
sebsebsebiophk: I guess who cares thenNov 17 21:03
sebsebsebif it's openSUSE o the USB :dNov 17 21:03
sebsebsebor whateverNov 17 21:03
sebsebsebyou kjnow non Mageia stuff :dNov 17 21:03
iophkthat's the place for itNov 17 21:04
iophkbut give out the Mageia discs as swagNov 17 21:04
sebsebsebok  maybe slightly bad for Mint   and  Ubuntu if they get reformtted like thatNov 17 21:04
sebsebseb,but openSUSE I wouwdn't careNov 17 21:04
sebsebsebiophk: yes that's what I amgoing to try and do if it's voted out, tostll gie out Magiea dics as swagNov 17 21:04
sebsebsebwhat's the place for what above?  were you saying openSUSE should get reformatted?Nov 17 21:05
iophkyesNov 17 21:05
sebsebsebheh hheh yeah I guessNov 17 21:05
sebsebsebas for the word inflexible bingoNov 17 21:05
sebsebsebthat's  exactly what he seems to be, stubborn stuck in his ways/ideas and inflexibleNov 17 21:05
sebsebsebhis way or wel that's it reallyNov 17 21:05
iophkI think if you had worked on real paper earlier , there might have been more flexiblity Nov 17 21:06
sebsebsebwell weNov 17 21:06
iophkHard to say.  I wasn't there, obviouslyNov 17 21:06
sebsebsebwell he just did meetng notes on paperNov 17 21:06
sebsebseband put the agenda on paper for meeting,s and that was abot it reallyNov 17 21:07
iophknot meeting notes.  Idea plansNov 17 21:07
sebsebsebthen we did things via email here and there, and meetingsNov 17 21:07
sebsebsebgetting idea's out in emails didn't work so well I found though in genralNov 17 21:07
iophkOld people, especially, need things on paper. Talking does nothing.Nov 17 21:07
iophkNothing.Nov 17 21:07
sebsebseband  I also foun that the meetings didn't really have enough time tocover the ida's properly, and other htingsNov 17 21:07
sebsebsebiophk: yeah indeed the old pepole like paper Nov 17 21:07
sebsebsebin general it seemsNov 17 21:07
sebsebsebiophk: and explaining things in emal he didn't always understnd me right either etcNov 17 21:08
iophknope.  e-mail is not paper eitherNov 17 21:08
iophkit's about as big a waste as talking, to someNov 17 21:08
sebsebsebyep seems soNov 17 21:08
sebsebsebI guesNov 17 21:08
sebsebsebiophk: I felt like I coudn't reason with tis guypropery at tmesNov 17 21:09
sebsebsebI think thtat's the wrod not sure qiteNov 17 21:09
iophkright because you talked and he needed paper -- I guessNov 17 21:09
sebsebsebget my points across  right, with him understanidng etcNov 17 21:09
sebsebsebiophk: and he would crtise some of my eals toNov 17 21:09
sebsebseb,beause they weren't short enoughNov 17 21:09
sebsebsebemails aboveNov 17 21:09
sebsebsebiophk: he wants short and to the point etcNov 17 21:10
sebsebsebnot may wordsNov 17 21:10
sebsebsebiophk: I guess even if Mageia is out, this is stil a learning thing reallyNov 17 21:10
sebsebsebI haven't done this kind of thing beforeNov 17 21:10
sebsebsebiophk: you know got to twist the negatives aroudn into postives, and learn things, and move on with lieNov 17 21:11
iophkyepNov 17 21:11
sebsebseblifeNov 17 21:11
sebsebsebiophk: how old are you anyway?Nov 17 21:11
iophkfor a cabbage?Nov 17 21:11
sebsebsebhuh?Nov 17 21:11
iophkhave you told him flat out that it is important that Mageia be in?Nov 17 21:12
iophk(In short words?)Nov 17 21:12
sebsebsebnopeNov 17 21:12
iophkSooner the better...Nov 17 21:12
sebsebsebiophk: maybe it isn't so bad it not being in, I mean won't hae to worry about the reputiaot of the projectNov 17 21:13
iophkTrueNov 17 21:13
sebsebseboh  the remater may have some issue in it that, the offical won't have, even though it was just stuff from offical repo's put in itNov 17 21:13
iophkMaybe plan an installfest later.Nov 17 21:13
sebsebsebor  oh the remaster may gie the wrong impression to people what Mageia is about etcNov 17 21:13
iophkthat's what any remaster doesNov 17 21:13
sebsebsebiophk: well the whole idea o doing installs was out since how only had a efw hoursNov 17 21:13
iophkit's not the same as a stock ISONov 17 21:13
sebsebsebtrueNov 17 21:14
iophkYes but at another event with other peopleNov 17 21:14
sebsebsebiophk: esspeialy if htey start changing the grub  2 screen o it andsuchNov 17 21:14
iophkyou can pick the people firstNov 17 21:14
sebsebsebwith somestuff for hte eventNov 17 21:14
sebsebsebLUG contact detais that kind of thingNov 17 21:14
sebsebsebyes that's an idea he came up with the older guyNov 17 21:14
sebsebsebOpen Suse guy was  ike, yeah I was lookig into that, that can be doeNov 17 21:14
sebsebsebcan pick the people first forwhat?Nov 17 21:14
iophkThe installfestNov 17 21:15
sebsebsebiophk: installfest is  may e a kidof ol idea nowNov 17 21:16
sebsebsebin that senseNov 17 21:16
sebsebsebdependsNov 17 21:16
sebsebsebiophk: anyway just under 3 hour left of Sunday now in this time zoneNov 17 21:16
sebsebsebso I should do that tingNov 17 21:17
sebsebsebget it in the piratepad for you to seeNov 17 21:17
sebsebseband then off in the properd documentNov 17 21:17
iophkok good luckNov 17 21:17
iophki gotta go anywayNov 17 21:17
sebsebsebiophk: ohNov 17 21:17
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Sosumihttp://enenews.com/gundersen-fuel-racks-very-close-going-critical-unit-4-be-extraordinarily-careful-about-starting-chain-reaction-videoNov 17 21:39
TechrightsBot-trenenews.com | Gundersen: Fuel already “very close to going critical” at Unit 4 — Must be extraordinarily careful about starting chain reaction (VIDEO)  [ http://ur1.ca/g1yyp ]Nov 17 21:39
Sosumigoing to be removed today I thinkNov 17 21:39
Sosumisince it's already "today" in the land of the rising sunNov 17 21:40
Sosumihttp://fairewinds.org/podcast/remove-tepco-removing-fuelNov 17 22:01
TechrightsBot-trfairewinds.org | Remove TEPCO Before Removing Fuel | Fairewinds Energy Education  [ http://ur1.ca/g1z1h ]Nov 17 22:01
Sosumiyep, it's todayNov 17 22:01
Sosumiand it's 7am at moment in japanNov 17 22:01
Sosumiso, fingers crossed for no godzillaNov 17 22:02
Sosumibitcoin 492€Nov 17 22:35
Sosumimust get some asics and start miningNov 17 22:37
Sosumihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a30tg02JwDcNov 17 22:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs Heigh Ho Song - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g1z9l ]Nov 17 22:37
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Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-15/internet-now-weaponized-and-you-are-targetNov 17 23:27
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | The Internet Is Now Weaponized, And You Are The Target | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/g1zj5 ]Nov 17 23:27
Sosumi"Sadly, in a country in which courtesy of peak social networking, exhibitionism has become an art form, the vast majority of Americans not only could not care less about Snowden's sacrificial revelations/confirmations, but in fact are delighted the at least someone, somewhere cares about that photo of last night's dinner."Nov 17 23:29
Sosumisaid that thousands of timesNov 17 23:29
Sosumithe unwashed masses don't careNov 17 23:29
MinceRgnNov 17 23:34
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gde33|2all publicity is good publicityNov 18 01:14
Sosumihttp://fukushimaupdate.com/tepco-admits-80-spent-fuel-assemblies-had-damage-before-nuclear-accident/Nov 18 05:42
TechrightsBot-trfukushimaupdate.com | Fukushima Update | TEPCO Admits 80 Spent Fuel Assemblies Had Damage Before Nuclear Accident  [ http://ur1.ca/g20uu ]Nov 18 05:42
SosumiTEPCO, scaring the bejesus out of youNov 18 05:44
Sosumialso, 1 million PS4 sold in the north american launchNov 18 05:44
Sosumibut I wander of those how many were smashed and broken into pieces by angry not so intelligent pplNov 18 05:45
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iophkOSS can be used for bad things too : http://www.informationweek.com/agencies-widen-open-source-use--/d/d-id/899851Nov 18 07:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.informationweek.com | Agencies Widen Open-Source Use   - InformationWeek  [ http://ur1.ca/g2161 ]Nov 18 07:08
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/EllieAsksWhy/status/402357291237642240Nov 18 09:17
TechrightsBot-tr@EllieAsksWhy: @CiphersSon Just look at @schestowitz stream. He is not over-dramatizing. I used to think, maybe so, on identica, in 2009. Not now.Nov 18 09:17
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/CiphersSon/status/402353938399121408Nov 18 09:17
TechrightsBot-tr@CiphersSon: I had to choose.. "unaffiliated" because "independent" has 5 "parties" in Kansas... HA! take a side The only winning move is not to play YO!Nov 18 09:17
MinceRgeekingsNov 18 09:42
iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2307585/google-and-microsoft-to-clear-the-internet-of-depravityNov 18 11:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Google and Microsoft to clear the internet of depravity- The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/g22e8 ]Nov 18 11:20
MinceRwhat, they're retiring?Nov 18 11:21
iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/10456753/Claire-Perry-The-Government-is-in-an-arms-race-with-paedophiles-on-the-web.htmlNov 18 11:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | Claire Perry: The Government is in an 'arms race' with paedophiles on the web  - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/g22f8 ]Nov 18 11:22
roy_The "Snowden helps pedophiles" defenceNov 18 11:36
roy_Let's give control over the Web to gov and corps...Nov 18 11:36
roy_They'll defend us fromm perverts..Nov 18 11:36
MinceRsuch as their priests?Nov 18 11:37
roy_notice the wordNov 18 11:37
roy_"arms race"Nov 18 11:37
roy_nxt thing you know they'll suggest bombing suspected kiddie pr0n downloadersNov 18 11:37
iophkIt'll be encryption as "munitions" again.Nov 18 11:54
iophklike when they tried to shut down PGPNov 18 11:57
msb__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdYNov 18 12:01
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g22oj ]Nov 18 12:01
Sosumiyay google and M$ are going to close downNov 18 14:21
Sosumibecause that's how depravity is handledNov 18 14:22
Sosumior should be handledNov 18 14:22
Sosumiat the root of evilNov 18 14:22
Sosumimeanwhile, news from fukushimaNov 18 14:22
Sosumi*nothing*Nov 18 14:22
Sosumionly that they started the removal process of the spent fuel, nothing about canisters getting stuck in the assembly due to debris nor because of mishandlingNov 18 14:24
Sosuminor about they actually breakingNov 18 14:24
Sosumiand that after that they want to disassemble unit 4, but well, they don't even know where the coreNov 18 14:25
Sosumi"baby I'm (the core) so hot that I'm about to melt throught" :PNov 18 14:26
Sosumiand that is if a big 9.0 doesn't do it faster than TEPCONov 18 14:26
Sosumiwe need a #nuclearrightsNov 18 14:27
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-18/bill-clinton-refuses-criticize-edward-snowden-says-next-president-should-be-womanNov 18 14:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Bill Clinton Refuses To Criticize Edward Snowden, Says Next President Should Be A Woman | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/g23ht ]Nov 18 14:29
Sosumiyes, Monica - Bill 2016 or wathever the date isNov 18 14:30
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roy_DaemonFC: I use your recommndationNov 18 15:01
roy_http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/fedora-20-beta/Nov 18 15:01
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Fedora 20 Reaches Beta, New Screenshots Published | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g23ni ]Nov 18 15:01
roy_Yous aid it was a problem-free distro nowNov 18 15:01
roy_Sosumi: LOLNov 18 15:02
roy_At least Clinton learned from her attack on AssangeNov 18 15:02
roy_It made her look like an IronUltraThatcherNov 18 15:02
Sosumithen she'd get rusty in timeNov 18 15:03
Sosumiand need Bill to pour some oil on that thingNov 18 15:03
SosumilolNov 18 15:03
Sosumibut I don't recollect Monica ever going full retard on Assange, only Hitlery didNov 18 15:05
msb__Fun with Nov 18 15:11
msb__ComcastNov 18 15:11
msb__I can't get email via popmail or their website.  I call them up.Nov 18 15:12
msb__Get a guy from the Phillipines who talks too fast.  First thing, he tells me to reboot my LINUX computer.Nov 18 15:12
msb__Even though both paths to email don't work.  And my net connection does work.Nov 18 15:13
msb__He does more checking and finds e-mail for the whole state of California is down, and has been for an hour already.Nov 18 15:14
msb__I look on their service outage page as instructed.  There's no mention of the outage even after it's been going on for an hour!  They don't every want to admit that there's something wrong with their system!Nov 18 15:15
SosumicrapcastNov 18 15:15
SosumiI see that kind of behaviour with Zon TvCabo here in portugalNov 18 15:16
Sosumithe mostNov 18 15:16
Sosumiand some other residencial servicesNov 18 15:16
msb__I forgot, he also tells me that the rotating blue graphic on the web email page indicates that my browser -- latest Firefox -- is incompatible.Nov 18 15:16
Sosumithe only way to actually avoid that is to get an enterprise connectionNov 18 15:16
Sosumiherp derpNov 18 15:16
msb__Might not be any better, just cost more.Nov 18 15:17
Sosumiin here it was worthedNov 18 15:17
Sosumisince I don't get any slowdownsNov 18 15:18
msb__Mail server in both East and West coast U.S. gave failure message to pop client.Nov 18 15:18
Sosumiwhile my neighboor next door doesNov 18 15:18
Sosumialso there's 24 hours support, which is handy when problems do happenNov 18 15:19
Sosumiand no outsourcingNov 18 15:19
msb__Well, I do get 24hour support, and it was prompt, it's just lousy.Nov 18 15:20
msb__I could understand the guy, once I got him to speak slower.Nov 18 15:20
Sosumibut to get a guy from the phillipines to answerNov 18 15:20
Sosumiseriously :/Nov 18 15:20
msb__But all his procedures were based on the assumption that there was something wrong with my computer.Nov 18 15:21
msb__Of course he assumed that I was using Microsoft, so maybe it's a good assumption.Nov 18 15:21
SosumiI've seen more failed osx as of late than winblowsNov 18 15:22
Sosumi:)Nov 18 15:22
Sosumiso the assumption isn't goodNov 18 15:22
msb__A friend told me two days ago that osx had just updated and now he can't access what he used to be able to -- maybe youtube.Nov 18 15:23
Sosumiwhat it sounds to me is an untrained call center operator in a geo region that isn't yoursNov 18 15:23
msb__I think he was trained fine, but his training was based on the assumption that the problem was not in comcast.  Nov 18 15:24
msb__eventually he found out that it was.Nov 18 15:24
Sosumitell him to check the plugins tab on safari, apple copied firefox on that, that you can disable/allow them at your own will individuallyNov 18 15:24
msb__Thanks, I will tell him.Nov 18 15:25
Sosumiif that doesn't work, probably he needs to update the trash player, since crApple remotly disables it if you have an out of date versionNov 18 15:25
Sosumisame thing applies to oracle javaNov 18 15:26
msb__I've found that in general, open source is more reliable than commercial sw you pay for.Nov 18 15:26
Sosumiwell ofc,Nov 18 15:26
Sosumithe code is open for everyone to auditNov 18 15:27
Sosumithus it receives fixes way more oftenNov 18 15:27
msb__And their fundamental purpose is to make it work, not to make money.Nov 18 15:27
SosumiexactlyNov 18 15:27
msb__I'm worried about Skype.  Microsoft bought it, and so they may eventually wreck it.Nov 18 15:28
MinceRit was crap to begin withNov 18 15:29
SosumiI don't use Skype although I have an account because of those guys who don't know any betterNov 18 15:29
msb__I've always found it works well, for years.Nov 18 15:29
Sosumibut it wasn't secure beforeNov 18 15:29
MinceRit was never secureNov 18 15:29
MinceRit was never trustworthyNov 18 15:29
msb__And it has both voice and text-chat.Nov 18 15:29
MinceRand it was always closedNov 18 15:29
Sosumithe FSB was know for being to eavesdrop on itNov 18 15:29
msb__That's Russia?Nov 18 15:30
Sosumiway before M$ bought it and changed the server deploymentNov 18 15:30
MinceRindeedNov 18 15:30
SosumiyeahNov 18 15:30
msb__I trust them more than I trust the US NSA.Nov 18 15:30
SosumiI trust no oneNov 18 15:31
SosumiNSA, FSB, GCHQ...Nov 18 15:31
msb__At least before Putin jailed the Pussy Riot female band for making fun of him.Nov 18 15:31
Sosumito hell with themNov 18 15:31
msb__Yeah -- psychopathy in government.Nov 18 15:32
SosumiPussy Riot got jailed because they went to an orthodox church and started trashing the thingNov 18 15:32
Sosumithey were never a band or anything at allNov 18 15:32
msb__physically trashing?Nov 18 15:32
Sosumiyeah and verballyNov 18 15:32
msb__Well still, one of them just got a message out saying she was freezing in Siberia or some such place.  Then she disappeared.Nov 18 15:33
Sosumithey were probably just a bunch of patsys co-financed by Soros and the CIA to serve as cannon fodder for some color revolutionNov 18 15:34
Sosumididn't workNov 18 15:34
msb__Could well be.Nov 18 15:34
msb__They sure made Putin look bad, like he was afraid of Pussy!Nov 18 15:34
Sosumijust because she said, doesn't mean that it's trueNov 18 15:35
Sosumibut we all know Russian prisons aren't five star hotelsNov 18 15:35
Sosumifor that, get arrested in the norgelandNov 18 15:35
msb__TV and gourmet meals?Nov 18 15:36
Sosumiso there's the benefict of the doubtNov 18 15:36
SosumiyeahNov 18 15:36
Sosumijust look at the hotel suit Anders Breivik is inNov 18 15:36
Sosumiit's hilariousNov 18 15:36
msb__And he's a crazy nazi mass murderer!  How many did he kill?Nov 18 15:37
Sosuminazi?Nov 18 15:37
Sosumiin the sense of national socialistNov 18 15:37
msb__IIRC.Nov 18 15:37
Sosuminothing to do with the shicklegruber guyNov 18 15:37
Sosumihe went to a pro palestine rally in that island up thereNov 18 15:38
Sosumiand start gunning down pplNov 18 15:38
msb__"far-right militant ideology" -- wiki pediaNov 18 15:39
msb__killed 77 people!Nov 18 15:39
Sosumibut then again, no one helped more the zionist cause than Schicklegruber's gernamnyNov 18 15:39
msb__But it was fascist, not socialist.Nov 18 15:40
msb__"national socialist" was just false advertisingNov 18 15:40
Sosumisocialism/populism, etc. is just a coverNov 18 15:41
msb__Hitler was 75% financed by U.S. capitalists, to kill off the socialists and labor organizers of Europe.Nov 18 15:41
Sosumifor the unwashed masses to swallowNov 18 15:41
Sosumiin reality it's top notch fascismNov 18 15:42
msb__Not real democratic socialism.Nov 18 15:42
Sosumiactually, hitler was put in there by britainNov 18 15:42
msb__And by the US.Nov 18 15:42
Sosumithe US oligarchs then felt in love and start bankrolling him tooNov 18 15:43
Sosumieventually the British believed he'd turn again't russia in order to break itNov 18 15:43
msb__http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_NazisNov 18 15:43
TechrightsBot-trcosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneNov 18 15:43
Sosumibut he turned west before he went eastNov 18 15:43
msb__also  http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_HolocaustNov 18 15:45
TechrightsBot-trcosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone  [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ]Nov 18 15:45
msb__U.S. foreign policy is based on one single principle -- mass murder for profit.Nov 18 15:46
msb__Has been for more than a hundred years.Nov 18 15:47
Sosumiwhat about britain? before the US took overNov 18 15:47
msb__Sure!Nov 18 15:48
msb__The sun never sets...Nov 18 15:48
iophkhttp://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-sailfish-os-phone-november-27-release/Nov 18 15:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.digitaltrends.com | Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 | Digital Trends  [ http://ur1.ca/g23w8 ]Nov 18 15:48
Sosumiopium wars with china, the pink region map and the ultimatum against portugalNov 18 15:48
msb__That's my website.  I feel lucky to still be alive.Nov 18 15:48
Sosumiand I could go onNov 18 15:48
Sosumicolonial spain the same thing, Nov 18 15:49
msb__What did they do to Portugal?Nov 18 15:49
Sosumihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_MapNov 18 15:50
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Pink Map - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 18 15:50
Sosumiit was about the claim of sovereighty of territories in between Angola and MoçambiqueNov 18 15:51
Sosumidid I forget to mention napolionic france?Nov 18 15:51
Sosumihow many times did the frenchies try to take portugalNov 18 15:52
Sosumithree and failedNov 18 15:52
Sosumifrenchies...Nov 18 15:52
msb__France still not loved in portugal, eh?Nov 18 15:53
roy_https://twitter.com/candtalan/status/402461263256514560Nov 18 15:53
TechrightsBot-tr@candtalan: @PeoplesVoice_TV Consider Richard Stallman: Free software Foundation @schestowitzNov 18 15:53
Sosumithe common portuguese tends to be dumbNov 18 15:54
Sosumicome on, ppl in here are still fascinated about ObozoNov 18 15:54
roy_whoo's that?Nov 18 15:54
SosumiObamaNov 18 15:54
msb__ObomberNov 18 15:55
roy_I have several portuguese friends who say the sanNov 18 15:55
roy_*sameNov 18 15:55
roy_They live in the UK nowNov 18 15:55
roy_portugal only for vacation now, they say people there are moserable nowNov 18 15:55
roy_[15:53] <msb__> France still not loved in portugal, eh?Nov 18 15:55
roy_Is Francr loved *anywhere*?Nov 18 15:55
roy_maybe tolerated in some places, not lovedNov 18 15:56
Sosumiprobably in Iran and SyriaNov 18 15:56
msb__Wine and cheese lovers...Nov 18 15:56
Sosumiby Al-QaedaNov 18 15:56
msb__So what's up with Stallman?Nov 18 15:56
Sosumisince they've been shipping weapons to those guysNov 18 15:56
msb__So has the U.S.Nov 18 15:57
Sosumiand germany, and the UKNov 18 15:57
Sosumiand TurkeyNov 18 15:58
Sosumiand IsrahellNov 18 15:58
Sosumiand the GCC countriesNov 18 15:58
Sosumithey all form the Axis Of EvilNov 18 15:58
msb__Yeah, Israhell loves Muslims if they're super-evil.Nov 18 15:58
msb__At least GCC puts out a good compiler.Nov 18 15:59
SosumiIsrahell actually wants to team up with the KSA and attack IranNov 18 15:59
SosumiLOLNov 18 15:59
Sosumiit was GCC as in Golf Cooperation CouncilNov 18 16:00
msb__Gulf?Nov 18 16:00
Sosumior that :PNov 18 16:00
msb__Persian Gulf, probably.Nov 18 16:01
Sosumiit'd be awesome if all they did was play golfNov 18 16:01
Sosumithat means they wouldn't cause much troubleNov 18 16:02
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roy_http://parelastic.com/blog/oracle-axes-support-glassfish-mysql-users-might-want-pay-attentionNov 18 16:12
TechrightsBot-trparelastic.com | As Oracle axes support for GlassFish, MySQL users might want to pay attention | ParElastic  [ http://ur1.ca/g2400 ]Nov 18 16:12
msb__http://disinfo.com/2012/04/planthuman-symbiosis-and-the-fall-of-humanity-interview-with-tony-wright/Nov 18 16:17
TechrightsBot-trdisinfo.com | Plant/Human Symbiosis and the Fall of Humanity: Interview With Tony Wright - disinformation  [ http://ur1.ca/g241t ]Nov 18 16:17
msb__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5yXK2n82lgNov 18 16:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | 'An investigation into the evolution of the human brain'   by Tony Wright - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g241y ]Nov 18 16:18
msb__Very interesting stuff!Nov 18 16:18
msb__He thinks all humans are brain-damaged because diet no longer contains lots of fruit flavonoids which have profound epigenetic effects.Nov 18 16:19
msb__Thus causing left-brain dominance and mass psychopathy.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdYNov 18 16:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g22oj ]Nov 18 16:21
msb__But I don't think Wright knows about Verstappen.  I'll have to tell him.Nov 18 16:22
msb__I made a live table of contents for Wright's book using pdfmod.  I'm helping to save the world!Nov 18 16:23
iophkleft-brain, right-brain has been debunked ages ago.  Yes, some functionality is localized but not in the left-brain, right-brain myth popularized in pop sci / pseudo sci decades ago.Nov 18 16:24
msb__http://leftinthedark.org.uk/sites/default/files/Left%20in%20the%20Dark%20free%20edition.pdfNov 18 16:25
msb__free copy of 2nd edition.  It's up to 3rd for about $10.Nov 18 16:25
msb__Not a myth!  Look at the book.Nov 18 16:26
iophkMyth.  Look at the medical texts and medical courses.Nov 18 16:26
iophkSome functionality is on one side or another, especially in men, but it is not general analytic vs art or whatever.Nov 18 16:27
msb__The same ones that teach doctors that vitamin C doesn't kill viral infections?Nov 18 16:27
iophkNoNov 18 16:27
iophkThe ones on neuropsychology and such.Nov 18 16:27
msb__Wright has lots of references in his book.Nov 18 16:27
iophkDepends on the quality of the referencesNov 18 16:28
iophkIf you are near a good university with a library then you can look up a random sample and verify.Nov 18 16:28
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roy_sounds lik Pentagon propaganda: http://gizmodo.com/the-cia-is-trying-to-stop-russia-building-monitoring-st-1466555409Nov 18 17:17
TechrightsBot-trgizmodo.com | The CIA Is Trying to Stop Russia Building Monitoring Stations in the US  [ http://ur1.ca/g24gg ]Nov 18 17:17
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/402489062834966528Nov 18 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: #nsa does not serve US interests, it is just destroying the country politically & commercially http://t.co/4BZC907Z1l http://t.co/PHYd5kAJnpNov 18 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.ibtimes.co.uk | NSA Spying Scandal Dents US Business Prospects in China - IBTimes UKNov 18 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.japantimes.co.jp | NSA spying accomplishes little beyond alienating allies | The Japan TimesNov 18 17:51
roy_https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/402492753130840064Nov 18 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz culturally tooNov 18 17:51
DaemonFCIt doesn't surprise me that Walmart is holding a food drive so that its employees can have a Thanksgiving dinner.Nov 18 18:13
DaemonFCActually, yes it does. Hundreds of thousands of Walmart employees are working on Thanksgiving (for $8-9 an hour, and being threatened with termination if they call in sick) and will be unable to prepare or attend a Thanksgiving dinner anyway, so the food drive won't help many of them anyway.Nov 18 18:13
DaemonFCThis reminds me of when I worked there, and most people either had no health insurance, or couldn't afford to use it because the deductible was $1,000. So, whenever a co-worker became sick, management would pass around a collection dish to collect money from other employees, to help that person with their medical bills.Nov 18 18:13
DaemonFCThe biggest problem with that was that none of us had any money either.Nov 18 18:13
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3301403Nov 18 18:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA Asked Linus Torvalds To Install Backdoors Into GNU/Linux http://falkvinge.net/2013/11/17/nsa-asked-linus-torvalds-to-install-backdoors-into-gnulinux/ who has the last laugh? RMS.Nov 18 18:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> falkvinge.net | NSA Asked Linus Torvalds To Install Backdoors Into GNU/Linux - Falkvinge on Infopolicy  [ http://ur1.ca/g1wno ]Nov 18 18:13
schestowitz"Hmm so adapted Mesh Wifi network. Not sure if this is a good answer to the problem. Let's see how they make progress :)"Nov 18 18:13
schestowitz"Nov 18 18:14
schestowitzI doubt that Torvalds went for it. As the article points out, since the code is publicly available, and subject to wide scrutiny, it is unlikely that Torvalds could get away with introducing a back door even if he chose to. And that the NSA even approached him to do so suggests that their understanding of security is weak.Nov 18 18:14
schestowitzSo I wouldn't adopt a mesh wifi network on the basis of this story, but rather the stories that the NSA and GCHQ are tapping into the Internet at backbone-level links.Nov 18 18:14
schestowitzThe trouble with mesh will, for a long time yet to come, be with utility. If it retains a connection to the Internet as it now exists, then it may bring an entire community under suspicion for the actions of a few or even of the one. If it severs that link, it loses access to many resources (which I, for one, could not now do without).Nov 18 18:14
schestowitz"Nov 18 18:14
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3301343Nov 18 18:14
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Writing negative things about the #nsa has become too easy since June (I had done this for years). It's news when they *obey* the law. #ciaNov 18 18:14
schestowitz"They obey lots of laws. Usually the ones they've had written, but hey it's a start, I guess..."Nov 18 18:14
schestowitz"Or more precisely, they obey laws according to their own interpretations, and according to a case law (FISA court) developed in secret in non-adversarial proceedings. Then, I think they break the law for fun. After all, keeping secrets is supposed to be their specialty. How, really, and this is the question I ask about any reform, can rules be enforced?"Nov 18 18:14
schestowitzSecret law is not a law, it's like a law of the jungle.Nov 18 18:15
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sebsebseb Nov 18 18:16
sebsebsebiophk: got to do proosals again,  specifi way a few hours etc leftNov 18 18:19
iophksebsebseb: I thought you did them yesterday Nov 18 18:19
sebsebseboh and meeting wil change day and crash with my other thing now,  may be better this way though, seems I got to make new remasters myself  probably to etcNov 18 18:19
sebsebsebiophk: I did, but he didn't likeNov 18 18:20
sebsebsebthey weren't specific eough what I putNov 18 18:20
sebsebsebiophk: for example I have to mention openSUSE  Nov 18 18:20
iophkschestowitz: mesh would work great with Usenet (nntp) but the powers that be dislike very much anything so decentralized.Nov 18 18:20
sebsebsebin that proposalNov 18 18:20
iophkwhy does he get to decide o nthe distros by himself?Nov 18 18:21
sebsebsebor some other distro, but yeah I'll do openSUSE for thatNov 18 18:22
sebsebsebhe doesn'tNov 18 18:22
sebsebsebiophk: I can put PUppy LInux in as it's own proposal if I want toNov 18 18:22
sebsebsebiophk: I could suggest Kubuntu as the other KDE distro for example, but  I don't think anyone else wants that really soNov 18 18:23
sebsebsebiophk: openSUSE for KDENov 18 18:24
sebsebsebmaybe Magiea toNov 18 18:24
sebsebseband yeah been through this all ready loads of timesNov 18 18:24
sebsebsebiophk: I just need to do very specific propoals in his wayNov 18 18:25
sebsebsebor  they don't get acceptedNov 18 18:25
sebsebsebhe has suggestedhow I put in my propsals as well thoughNov 18 18:25
sebsebsebiophk: hmm I think I would rather be with average people on Thursday, than with geeks realyNov 18 18:25
sebsebsebiophk: at my new groupNov 18 18:26
sebsebseb,but now he wants it  on Thursday,so he can orgaise propoals, and try and get the guy who's curretlly in California to comment on it toNov 18 18:26
sebsebsebiophk: anyway proposals and  heopfuolly ok this time roundNov 18 18:26
sebsebsebon the verge of doing it yet againNov 18 18:26
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sebsebseband yeahNov 18 18:26
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sebsebsebiophk: not what lat thing you got fro me wasNov 18 18:54
sebsebsebnot sure what last thing aboveNov 18 18:54
iophkabout 20 minutes agoNov 18 18:54
iophkthe connection came back thenNov 18 18:55
sebsebsebiophk: well I guess I got some extra time to make new remasters thenNov 18 18:55
sebsebsebseems I got to probably got to make myself, even the guy said he wouldNov 18 18:55
sebsebsebeven thoughNov 18 18:55
iophkdid you figure out the method for making your remasters?Nov 18 18:56
sebsebsebiophk: ,but right five hours 5 minutes for proposals now hNov 18 18:56
sebsebsebuhNov 18 18:56
sebsebsebthe other way to do it sure remastersNov 18 18:56
sebsebsebiophk: I think Thursday it's can't be in two places at onceNov 18 18:57
sebsebsebiophk: I'll propse Puppy, but if it's in, hopefly the Mint or Ubuntu guy will make that one, if I can't easilly remasterdNov 18 18:58
sebsebsebit's Ubuntu basedNov 18 18:58
iophkI thought it was more Ubuntu-compatible, Debian-compatible than based on either one.  It's hard to find info.Nov 18 19:03
sebsebsebiophk: one of them or whatever is bsed on buntuNov 18 19:04
sebsebsebsays on siteNov 18 19:04
sebsebsebon the LTSNov 18 19:04
sebsebsebiophk: nice distro, I think I would personally trust that,  or a slightly remastered puppy,  than whatever the OpenSUSE guy wants to make himself for the cut downNov 18 19:05
sebsebsebtrust that moreNov 18 19:05
iophkyepNov 18 19:05
sebsebsebPuppy Linux is wel known to be a  good distro for old computersNov 18 19:05
iophkit isNov 18 19:05
sebsebsebuh running out of time for proposals I feelNov 18 19:05
sebsebsebok  jut under five hours, but stillNov 18 19:05
sebsebsebiophk: if I folow all hs comments from the email I got, I guess I  should be ok :Nov 18 19:06
sebsebseb:)Nov 18 19:06
iophkmaybe give IRC a rest until the proposal is doneNov 18 19:06
sebsebsebiophk: just  a document eidt I ThinkNov 18 19:06
sebsebseblik he said and  yeahNov 18 19:06
sebsebseb,but if it's wrong and I send off early enough, might get another email saing something soNov 18 19:07
Sosumisebsebseb, was mageia replaced with openklutz?Nov 18 19:08
sebsebsebSosumi: it's lookng like it probably will be for KDE yeahNov 18 19:09
sebsebsebunfortunatllyNov 18 19:09
Sosumi:(Nov 18 19:09
sebsebseband that Mageia may be out complety  if GNOME 3 isn't in which it looks like may be the case toNov 18 19:09
Sosumignome 3 is trash, but yeah, publicity to the distro would have been goodNov 18 19:10
sebsebsebSosumi: GNOME 3 I like it, and Mageia deserves to be in more than openSUSENov 18 19:11
sebsebsebaltough it's got contorl centre like stuff to, which could be good for someone bran new for LInuxNov 18 19:11
sebsebsebony way I can justifiy propsoig opensuses as the  other distro  for KDE in one of my propalsNov 18 19:12
sebsebsebI mean I have to prpose something, and it also seems that's what people want soNov 18 19:12
Sosumibut wait, you like gnome 3? :ONov 18 19:13
SosumiI've tried gnome 3 back in fedora 16Nov 18 19:13
Sosumiand it was abysmalNov 18 19:13
sebsebsebSosumi: it's  the new type of interfaceNov 18 19:15
sebsebsebcertain thigs I don't like aout GNOME 3Nov 18 19:15
sebsebseb,but GNOME Shell I likeNov 18 19:15
SosumiI seeNov 18 19:19
iophkhttp://www.usatoday.com/story/cybertruth/2013/11/13/snowden-effect-young-people-now-care-about-privacy/3517919/Nov 18 20:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.usatoday.com | Snowden effect: young people now care about privacy  [ http://ur1.ca/g25ew ]Nov 18 20:18
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/supreme-court-declines-to-staNov 18 20:18
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | November | 2013 | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g0fwh ]Nov 18 20:18
iophkhttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-court-intelligence-20131118,0,7821882.storyNov 18 20:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.chicagotribune.com | U.S. justices won't review intelligence court action on phone records - chicagotribune.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g25f6 ]Nov 18 20:19
Sosumiyoung ppl only care about privacy when it comes about hiding things from their parentsNov 18 20:39
sebsebsebiophk: proposlas sent a ittle while agoNov 18 20:51
iophkexcellentNov 18 20:52
sebsebsebiophk: hopefully alll ok nowNov 18 20:52
sebsebsebiophk: I am proposing OpenSUSE to go with Mageia in some of the thoughNov 18 20:52
sebsebseb,but got to play the game etcNov 18 20:52
sebsebsebthey want openSUSE soNov 18 20:52
sebsebsebproposed puppy as well as a cut down distro and suchNov 18 20:52
iophkI guess EPIC should have gone through the lower  courts first.Nov 18 21:04
iophkseNov 18 21:04
iophksebsebseb: did you get Mageia on the list?Nov 18 21:04
sebsebsebiophk: sure in a few proposalsNov 18 21:07
iophkgreatNov 18 21:07
sebsebsebiophk: rather be socialising with average people on Thurday thoughNov 18 21:07
sebsebsebiophk: ,but now the meeting wll be then instead hmmNov 18 21:07
sebsebsebjust reoleid about that Nov 18 21:08
sebsebsebanyway  gives more time for remasters so not to bad realyNov 18 21:08
sebsebsebiophk: still it's unforutnate it crahses wth the other thing though reallyNov 18 21:08
sebsebsebiophk: no reply yet about proposls hpefull all ok this  timeNov 18 21:09
sebsebsebiophk: foodt ime for me thenNov 18 21:11
sebsebsebther's smething waiting :dNov 18 21:11
iophkokNov 18 21:11
sebsebsebiophk: oh I know what I cold do tommorowNov 18 21:11
sebsebsebthat's a point :dNov 18 21:11
sebsebsebjono 's video thing :dNov 18 21:11
sebsebsebassuing it's onNov 18 21:11
iophkdidn't he say he moved it from Tuesdays?Nov 18 21:12
sebsebsebno he moved it to TuesdayNov 18 21:12
iophkohNov 18 21:12
iophkthen give it a tryNov 18 21:12
sebsebsebI was thinking last week how I Would be misisng it since that meting, but I guess not then if it's on tommorow that isNov 18 21:12
sebsebsebiophk: oh  I used to go to them quite a lot before and stil willNov 18 21:12
sebsebsebtry to go to them it's fun Nov 18 21:12
sebsebsebiophk: Q&A session with a load of Ubuntu fans and suchNov 18 21:13
sebsebsebon his web cam Nov 18 21:13
iophkSIP?Nov 18 21:13
sebsebsebnopeNov 18 21:13
sebsebsebGoogle thigeyNov 18 21:13
sebsebsebGoogle hang outsNov 18 21:13
sebsebsebbefore that ustreamNov 18 21:13
iophkOh.  I'm trying to wean myself from Google.Nov 18 21:13
sebsebsebyep some doNov 18 21:14
sebsebseb,but bye bye Android devices to then reallyNov 18 21:14
sebsebsebthat's GoogleNov 18 21:14
iophkThere's coming mixed messages from Google on open these days.Nov 18 21:14
iophkhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57612742-93/google-drive-for-linux-patience-patience../Nov 18 21:14
sebsebsebiophk: ah well I get to have a meal  in  just under two weeks with those Thursday people anyway :dNov 18 21:14
sebsebsebiophk: yeah a Christmas dinnerNov 18 21:14
TechrightsBot-trnews.cnet.com | Google Drive for Linux? Patience, patience... | Internet & Media - CNET News  [ http://ur1.ca/g25oo ]Nov 18 21:14
iophkChristmas beerNov 18 21:15
sebsebsebwel wie it seems for this one actsuallyNov 18 21:15
sebsebsebwine aboeNov 18 21:15
sebsebseb,but I gues other drinks are availalbe toNov 18 21:15
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3301809Nov 18 21:15
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The US DHS wants to treat people like cattle http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy/privacy_advcom_rpt_rfid_draft.pdf why not ask IBM for help? They helped Hitler.Nov 18 21:15
sebsebsebiophk: it will be annoying to go on Thursday, and have Magiea voted out compltyNov 18 21:15
sebsebsebiophk: ,but that may be it's fate, as I am expecting, so hmmNov 18 21:16
sebsebsebI mean missing somethignNov 18 21:16
sebsebsebgoing to that meetingNov 18 21:16
schestowitz"Nov 18 21:16
schestowitzI remember hearing something about that, as well. I'd have to track it down and I don't have time for that at the moment. I can point to this:Nov 18 21:16
sebsebseband having it voted outNov 18 21:16
schestowitzGeorge Seldes, 1000 Americans: The Real Rulers of the U.S.A. (New York: Boni and Gaer, 1948; Joshua Tree, CA: Progressive, 2009).Nov 18 21:16
schestowitzNotice the original publication date. Well-founded allegations of U.S. corporate complicity with the Nazi regime are nothing new. I just don't remember whether IBM was among the companies he lists.Nov 18 21:16
schestowitzAs to the rest of this, I am no longer in possession of histories of the Nazi regime. So now I see articles such as this:Nov 18 21:16
schestowitzKlaus Wiegrefe, "75 Years Later: How the World Shrugged Off Kristallnacht," trans. Christopher Sultan, Spiegel, November 5, 2013, http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/berlin-exhibit-gathers-1938-diplomatic-accounts-of-nazi-kristallnacht-a-931733.htmlNov 18 21:16
schestowitzand I simply don't have at hand the means to track down when the Jewish exodus began, when shiploads of fleeing Jews were turned away from U.S. shores, and other lovely little tidbits, that paint a rather unflattering picture of how the world reacted to the plight of Jews, let alone when Jews could or should have known that they were in profound peril.Nov 18 21:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.spiegel.de | Berlin Exhibit Gathers 1938 Diplomatic Accounts of Nazi Kristallnacht - SPIEGEL ONLINE  [ http://ur1.ca/g25p0 ]Nov 18 21:16
schestowitz"Nov 18 21:16
sebsebsebyay the schestowitz spam :dNov 18 21:16
iophkGive it a try anyway.  Nov 18 21:16
sebsebsebiophk: yep indeedNov 18 21:16
sebsebsebI am not just going to give upNov 18 21:16
sebsebseb,but may gt votedo ut on TUesdayNov 18 21:17
sebsebsebiophk: plus he wants the guy who's gone to USA To look at the proposalsNov 18 21:17
sebsebsebI gues to propse somethin really Nov 18 21:17
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3301343Nov 18 21:18
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Writing negative things about the #nsa has become too easy since June (I had done this for years). It's news when they *obey* the law. #ciaNov 18 21:18
schestowitzYes, I'm failing at the moment to find the article that absolutely shredded this. As I recall, the point was that the rule of law applies to all, that this necessarily entails public accountability, and that if laws are not public, than the latter accountability cannot occur.Nov 18 21:18
schestowitzBut the U.S. stopped being a nation governed by the rule of law many decades ago:Nov 18 21:18
schestowitzJeffrey Reiman, The Rich Get Richer and the Poor Get Prison, 7th ed. (Boston: Allyn and Bacon, 2004).Nov 18 21:18
schestowitzAnd the result is the powerful who make laws and impose them on the rest of us are largely immune to them.Nov 18 21:18
schestowitz"Nov 18 21:18
iophk"Google doesn't "have anything new to share at this time in terms of timing." "Nov 18 21:18
schestowitzThe claims are counter-intuitive until you get around to breaking down the notion of law, consistency, the possibility of changing the law, etc. Laws can be arbitrary.Nov 18 21:19
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iophkhttp://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304439804579205740125297358Nov 19 07:05
TechrightsBot-tronline.wsj.com | Authorities See Benefit of Bitcoin - WSJ.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g28ah ]Nov 19 07:05
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306168Nov 19 08:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Android ROMs, the easy way: Testing the new #CyanogenMod Installer http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/android-roms-the-easy-way-testing-the-new-cyanogenmod-installer/ #linux #phonesNov 19 08:20
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | Android ROMs, the easy way: Testing the new CyanogenMod Installer | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g28l7 ]Nov 19 08:20
schestowitz"After all the phone communication checkboxes are on, the next step is to go to "get.cm" (that's a Web address) on a real computer and download the CyanogenMod Installer Windows app What's wrong with this picture?"Nov 19 08:20
schestowitz"The old instructions look easier. http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/InstallCMfor_maguro"Nov 19 08:20
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schestowitziophk: sharedNov 19 08:23
schestowitziophk: RMS interviews all done, 4 more to publish, meeting him againt on the 29th in LincolnNov 19 08:23
schestowitzNear manchesterNov 19 08:23
iophkCool.Nov 19 08:23
schestowitzmaybe I'll make more vids, but I have siome private things to doNov 19 08:23
schestowitzand I don't want to overencumber him with filmingNov 19 08:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306287Nov 19 08:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Booting #linux and #android on the same computer with a simple menu http://liliputing.com/2013/11/linuxium-bootloader-helps-you-boot-linux-android-on-rk3188-mini-pcs.htmlNov 19 08:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> liliputing.com | Linuxium bootloader helps you boot Linux, Android on RK3188 mini PCs - Liliputing  [ http://ur1.ca/g28lo ]Nov 19 08:24
schestowitz"Seems to require Windows. I hate software like that."Nov 19 08:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307265Nov 19 08:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FBI Stops Responding To The Most Prolific FOIA Filer, Because He Might Actually Learn Something http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131118/01542825271/fbi-stops-responding-to-most-prolific-foia-filer-because-he-might-actually-learn-something.shtml #fbuNov 19 08:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techdirt.com | FBI Stops Responding To The Most Prolific FOIA Filer, Because He Might Actually Learn Something | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/g28lq ]Nov 19 08:24
schestowitz"Pure gold. How exactly can the FBI justify not fulfilling valid FOIA requests?"Nov 19 08:24
iophkI read a comment else where about some of the older hardware (CPU) patents expiring.Nov 19 08:24
schestowitzThey're the FBI, they can do whatever the Hell they want, even give bombs to people as part of sting op (aka creating public panic). FOIA is just for PR/public trust.Nov 19 08:25
iophkAre the old CPUs just junk at this point?Nov 19 08:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307530Nov 19 08:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Capitalism and Unemployment  http://truth-out.org/news/item/20015-capitalism-and-unemployment "manage unemployment by reducing everyone's work week by 7.5 per cent"Nov 19 08:26
schestowitz"For the longest time polls have shown working people wanting to work fewer hours and non-working people wanting to work. The solution would seem simple. The trouble is that capitalism is largely geared towards efficiency of capital generation at any cost. Unfortunately, it's just more efficient to have fewer people performing the one job (up to a point) regardless of the human cost (such as unemployment). Don't take this as me saying Nov 19 08:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> truth-out.org | Capitalism and Unemployment  [ http://ur1.ca/g28m4 ]Nov 19 08:26
schestowitzit's right or moral. It isn't. It's me pointing out a deeper flaw in the system and the reason why, despite the simplicity of the solution, it won't be adopted."Nov 19 08:26
schestowitziophk: perhaps Nov 19 08:26
schestowitzI still use almost all my CPUsNov 19 08:26
schestowitzexcept in one laptop where the mobo is problematicNov 19 08:27
schestowitzand the CPU is 400 megehertzNov 19 08:27
schestowitzlaptop from the 90sNov 19 08:27
schestowitzCompaqNov 19 08:27
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306032Nov 19 08:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-sailfish-os-phone-november-27-release/ #jolla #linux #nokia #meegoNov 19 08:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.digitaltrends.com | Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 | Digital Trends  [ http://ur1.ca/g23w8 ]Nov 19 08:28
schestowitz"Looks nice, but isn't the gui proprietary?"Nov 19 08:28
schestowitz"They specifically didn't comment on what they want to do with the GUI and core applications licenses. So we'll have to wait until 27th to actually figure out what's going on."Nov 19 08:28
schestowitzI don't think it's the GUI that's proprietaryNov 19 08:28
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309014Nov 19 09:32
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schestowitz"That`s a Bobby .... know this ..."Nov 19 09:32
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309014Nov 19 09:33
schestowitz"just found this -- There were 21 individuals shot dead by armed police officers in the UK in the last 10 years. There were 25 individuals shot dead in the US in MARCH 2013 alone. Yes, you read it correctly. More people shot dead in the US by police in 1 month alone than all those shot by the police in the UK in ten years. The total for the US so far this year (to the end of March) is 85 individuals shot dead. If this represents the Nov 19 09:33
schestowitzaverage for the US for the last 10 years then 3600 people have been killed, about 144 times as many as the UK. 7 months ago"Nov 19 09:33
schestowitzIt's known that it's a bad idea to mess about with US police forces, whereas in the UK you can troll them a bit and get away with it.Nov 19 09:34
schestowitz"and the terrorists are prob agency patsy's ,mind controlled assassins,just o keep the sheep in line by creating fear - the war is on the earth/ terra firma and all of her inhabitants"Nov 19 09:34
schestowitzan MEP just started following me in Twitter...Nov 19 09:36
iophkcoolNov 19 09:36
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-and-riaa-urge-government-to-keep-high-fines-for-copyright-infringers-131118/Nov 19 09:40
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | MPAA and RIAA Urge Government to Keep High Fines for Copyright Infringers | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g28wo ]Nov 19 09:40
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309014Nov 19 09:51
schestowitz"And don't forget the number of unreported / undetected cases or was swept under the mat!!!! The dark number is much higher!"Nov 19 09:51
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309262Nov 19 09:51
schestowitz"Real similar to what's going on here in Holland."Nov 19 09:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A society which drives people into debt (mortgage, student debt, etc.) puts everyone at brink of bankruptcy, discourages dissent/activismNov 19 09:51
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__martin__"I personally talked to the legal dept. at Canonical (for other reasons, they’re telling us we need a license to use their binary packages) and it is clear they are confused about LMDE and Mint." - Clement Nov 19 11:04
__martin__fucking license for what?! Trisquel GNU/Linux is now illegal as well or.. better one.. all are criminals and terrorists xDNov 19 11:04
__martin__press distortion also, soon gnu will be a banned search term lmaoNov 19 11:08
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sebsebsebiophk: whoops may have messed this upNov 19 14:48
sebsebsebiophk: now I need votes for 4 distro's or all my propsals are out basiclyNov 19 14:48
iophkohNov 19 14:48
sebsebsebiophk: yeah the stress of  the document editing resulted in thatNov 19 14:49
sebsebsebiophk: was thinking of ptting in 3 last night late, but didntNov 19 14:50
sebsebsebthen wasn't on arlier Nov 19 14:50
sebsebseband uhNov 19 14:50
sebsebsebiophk: he still thinks he can propose GNOME2 though, if GNOME is agreedNov 19 14:51
sebsebsebwhen none of the distro's have GNOME 2Nov 19 14:51
sebsebsebiophk: and to my Mate one it's like to be deletd, snce no proposals for MateNov 19 14:51
iophkAs you said, he probably meant MateNov 19 14:51
sebsebsebI am not so sure nowNov 19 14:51
sebsebsebiophk: I guess by stressing out about things I have made it a thre distro event like I saidNov 19 14:52
sebsebsebunless I can win them over to the idea of fourNov 19 14:52
sebsebseband then four interfaces like I wantedNov 19 14:52
iophkyeah and the informal negotiation take place long before the formal onesNov 19 14:53
iophkand often the formal ones are just for showNov 19 14:53
sebsebsebwhat do you mean?Nov 19 14:53
sebsebseball the informal talk way beore the formal stuf about the tech stuf indeedNov 19 14:53
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sebsebsebiophk: this is a proper ote thingNov 19 14:53
sebsebsebif this proposal is agreed, then those are out etcNov 19 14:54
sebsebsebthis is a proper proposal thingNov 19 14:54
sebsebseband he's put it in a nice table and such, and said I had untill 11am to edit it stll, but  wasn't on the computer then and eahNov 19 14:54
sebsebsebiophk: indeed it's been done backwards realyNov 19 14:54
sebsebsebthree months of informal discussion  or whatever, and then the formal stuff  to do with the techs tuffNov 19 14:55
sebsebsebiophk: I have a chance at apparatly runnig that meeting myself, if I prvice an agenda and such though going by his emailNov 19 14:55
iophksounds goodNov 19 14:55
iophkif it will helpNov 19 14:55
sebsebsebiophk: no I think that was like a well he put this:Nov 19 14:56
sebsebsebIf you wish to run the meeting another way then please let me have your Agenda, Proposal List and Notes before midday on Thursday and we can vote on them before we start, in that case I will not Chair the meeting. Nov 19 14:56
sebsebsebiophk: also meant to do  a vote on who gets the casting voteNov 19 14:56
sebsebsebI think in email, but not sure quiteNov 19 14:57
sebsebsebiophk: I want myself to get the casting voteNov 19 14:57
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sebsebsebiophk: I been thinking, they want to re brand Grub 2Nov 19 14:57
sebsebsebor GrubNov 19 14:57
sebsebsebsome sort of event theme uhmm rightNov 19 14:57
sebsebsebwell he doesNov 19 14:58
sebsebsebthen I gues they may want to change the default distro bakground to one as wellNov 19 14:58
sebsebsebmaybe the log in screen, and ksplash if I suggest that, once out voted probably hmNov 19 14:58
sebsebsebiophk: and then it's just a interface really, and distro stuff, but doesn't look like the distro itselfNov 19 14:59
sebsebsebthe default theme is  part of it,  it's  the like first thing people seeNov 19 14:59
sebsebsebthey can re design Plytmouth like that to for al I careNov 19 14:59
iophkyeah it's too changed and can't really still be called by its original nameNov 19 14:59
sebsebsebiophk: I am just thinkng I don't think really want Mageia re designed like thatNov 19 14:59
sebsebsebso in that case if that's what's goign to get suggested more,  maybe it's good to be out votedNov 19 15:00
sebsebsebiophk: Ubuntu looks horrible  anyway since 10.04,  the purple/abugine theme etc, sorry jono ,but that's what I think :dNov 19 15:00
jonosebsebseb, okNov 19 15:00
sebsebsebLinux Mint isn't muchbetter,  they  don't even bother re desiging the wall paper prperly nowNov 19 15:00
jonofair enoughNov 19 15:00
sebsebsebthey just put a number on itNov 19 15:01
sebsebsebjono: at least Unity is probaby in for the event I am organignig though by  the way,  probably more so that I have  not done the proposals quite right, but I Was suggesting Unity myself by the wayNov 19 15:01
sebsebsebiophk: and Open SUSE loooks whateverNov 19 15:02
sebsebsebiophk: ,but yeah I think re branding,  the grub theme, then probaby the default background, and possibly the PLymouth and ksplash after that as wel,  I think that's going a bit farNov 19 15:02
iophkwasted effortNov 19 15:02
sebsebseb,but I have a feelng they may want to do that or himNov 19 15:02
iophkand a chance for things to breakNov 19 15:03
sebsebsebhe wanted Grub 2 to change  have some knd of event theme, so  the backgorund and such to, that woudn't suprise meNov 19 15:03
sebsebsebiophk: event hteme with info for the LUG etcNov 19 15:03
sebsebsebI can understand why may want to do that, but  if re themeing it all realy it's going a bit far in a wyaNov 19 15:04
sebsebsebiophk: ,but I don't really care much if its done for the other ditrosNov 19 15:04
sebsebsebiophk: I was thinking I should vounteer for the feedback form, with questionsNov 19 15:05
sebsebsebdid we prvodie enughoptions do you think?Nov 19 15:05
sebsebsebwould you have been happy to see something else as well?Nov 19 15:05
sebsebsebetc etcNov 19 15:05
sebsebsebwell would have to agree questions a group I gues, but that's what I have in mind :dNov 19 15:05
sebsebsebiophk: it's how you find out what people really thinkNov 19 15:05
iophkyeah, but ask open questions not yes/noNov 19 15:06
sebsebsebyep exactly open questionsNov 19 15:06
sebsebsebwith writing spaceNov 19 15:06
iophkmaybe a multiple choice or twoNov 19 15:06
sebsebsebyeah, but good questionsNov 19 15:06
sebsebsebiophk: and if this is done again, at least know the sytle of things nowNov 19 15:07
sebsebsebhow he does itNov 19 15:07
sebsebsebshuld be easier a second time roundNov 19 15:07
sebsebsebwith same peopleNov 19 15:07
sebsebsebiophk: I was thinking could do one towards the end of year maybe as well or the year or somethingNov 19 15:07
sebsebsebdepending on how thing goNov 19 15:07
sebsebsebpr the year afterNov 19 15:08
iophkI thought you would switch groups for an installfestNov 19 15:10
sebsebsebiophk: to lateNov 19 15:11
sebsebseboh you mean for later?Nov 19 15:11
sebsebsebiophk: I think I should have done more proposals  for 3   hmmmNov 19 15:11
sebsebsebto late now though it semsNov 19 15:11
sebsebsebignored what he said about covering all bases etcNov 19 15:11
sebsebseband  sincerly asking me to reduce proposals, but that he would have to deal with what he got etcNov 19 15:11
iophkIt was a mistake not to get the discussion going about DEs back a month ago.Nov 19 15:12
sebsebsebthe formal one you mean?Nov 19 15:12
sebsebsebthere was the informal stuf all alongNov 19 15:12
iophkyeah, get the DEs formally settledNov 19 15:13
iophkif not previously informallyNov 19 15:13
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sebsebsebiophk: it's looking like it was a mistake  to not do proposals for just 3 in the end  on the other hand not so much, if they put in loads of LUG themeNov 19 15:13
sebsebseban d ruin the default look of the distro's I guessNov 19 15:13
iophkyepNov 19 15:13
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sebsebsebiophk: I think I'l even suggest itNov 19 15:14
sebsebsebonce I am probably out votedNov 19 15:14
sebsebsebto do  the dm's,  and ksplash,  and plymouth if possible as wellNov 19 15:14
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sebsebseband default background of courseNov 19 15:14
sebsebsebyep a proper event themeNov 19 15:14
sebsebseboh yeah maybe they shuld make some speciic font for the event whilst at it to, heh hehNov 19 15:15
iophkand musicNov 19 15:15
iophkand iconsNov 19 15:15
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sebsebseboh yeah indeed let's not forget the sound scheme and iconsNov 19 15:15
iophkand skins for the appsNov 19 15:15
sebsebsebfor  the Ubuntu one may be easy enough get jono to record something oh wait no he'll wat the offical Canonical stuffNov 19 15:16
sebsebsebin his Q&A  peple tend to be like awesome when he plays guitar, and then be like that that sound be Ubuntu's sound schemeNov 19 15:16
sebsebsebiophk: he's been trying to get proposals for about two weeks or whatever nowNov 19 15:17
sebsebsebiophk: ,but in his confusisng for me anyway wayNov 19 15:17
sebsebseb,but yeah final ones sent earlier it seems, and I think that's it hten, can't change that nowNov 19 15:17
iophkhow many Mageia DVDs will you have to give out?Nov 19 15:18
sebsebsebCD's you meanNov 19 15:18
iophkDoes it fit on a CD?Nov 19 15:18
sebsebsebyeah I guess,  whatever,  try and get some of those out there anyway even if out votedNov 19 15:18
sebsebsebwell  the one's at FOSDEM will only be 32bit and 64bit GNOME and KDE Live CD'sNov 19 15:19
sebsebsebiophk: of coure mght only get about 25 peple coming there in the whole six hoursNov 19 15:19
iophkDo you think most visitors will know if they have 32-bit or 64-bit?Nov 19 15:19
sebsebsebiophk: and many of them may just want to use something,  and never contribute back to a project etc you knjowNov 19 15:19
sebsebsebjust consume itNov 19 15:19
iophkyes of course, but that is how it goesNov 19 15:20
sebsebsebiophk: all of the remasters are going to be 32bit as wellNov 19 15:20
sebsebseba few may come to the LUG meting the Saturday afterNov 19 15:20
sebsebsebto get something installed or  whatever I guessNov 19 15:20
sebsebsebiophk: anyway just talk to people  a bit and such I guess and so on Nov 19 15:20
sebsebsebthey can't control what I say :Nov 19 15:20
sebsebseb:DNov 19 15:20
sebsebsebfreedom of speeachNov 19 15:21
iophk:)Nov 19 15:21
iophknot in the UK AFAIKNov 19 15:21
iophkor is there?Nov 19 15:21
sebsebsebiophk: I was thinking if Unit is there, but no GNOME Shell Nov 19 15:21
sebsebsebcould say to some that htere's also GNOME Shell :dNov 19 15:21
sebsebsebiophk: Mate is out ok Nov 19 15:21
sebsebsebsoNov 19 15:21
sebsebsebCinnamon is in it seems, Unity, and KDENov 19 15:22
sebsebsebhpefuly GNOE3 toNov 19 15:22
sebsebsebiophk: it's like I am propsoing the distro that no one else really wants as such, plus the de mainlyNov 19 15:22
sebsebsebso  gettig out votedNov 19 15:22
sebsebsebprobablyNov 19 15:22
sebsebsebiophk: and even if I got KDE for Mageia,  I would wnat to show GNOME really I thinkNov 19 15:23
sebsebsebwell both ideallyNov 19 15:23
sebsebsebiophk: openSUSE guy never made his own proposals in the document, I guess since others had made them for openSUSE anyway hmmNov 19 15:23
sebsebsebincluding me in the end to try and get Magiea in some howNov 19 15:24
sebsebsebiophk: I could quit  after that meeting,  but  probably won'tNov 19 15:25
sebsebsebiophk: or  quit and be ike that, I may help uot on day or  soething hmmNov 19 15:25
sebsebsebiophk: Cinnamon, KDE, Unity, and GNOME3,  that sounds like a good interfaces choice to me :)Nov 19 15:26
iophkYeah fairly good.Nov 19 15:26
sebsebsebyes it's four, butNov 19 15:26
iophkI'd still say XFCE over GNOMENov 19 15:27
sebsebsebXFCE and LXDE won't be used for the eventNov 19 15:27
sebsebsebwell maybe in a cut down version , but other than that nopeNov 19 15:27
sebsebsebiophk: two Windows like interfacesNov 19 15:27
sebsebseband two something else'sNov 19 15:27
iophkIt looks like LXDE is being deprecated for LXQt, but that will take a while for distros to make the transition.Nov 19 15:27
sebsebsebmakes sense to meNov 19 15:27
iophkyes it makes sense.Nov 19 15:27
sebsebseb,but  wil the others see it like that or not is the thing,  and I am not so convincedNov 19 15:28
sebsebsebiophk: i was thinking I coud  maybe send out a email sayig  why I didstuffNov 19 15:28
sebsebseb,but idea is to do soething on Thursday talks, an showing of rematers etcNov 19 15:28
sebsebsebneed to make new ones stillNov 19 15:28
iophkget those new icons sets, sound profiles, and fonts ready by thenNov 19 15:29
sebsebsebtwo Wndows like interfaces, and two soething elses'  sounds like the way to go to meNov 19 15:29
sebsebseband  four is a even number toNov 19 15:29
sebsebseband  realy  we got Ubuntu twice or pretty much since the other is MintNov 19 15:29
sebsebsebso realy it's pretty much  just 3 distros not 4Nov 19 15:29
sebsebsebI think having Unity without GNOME Shell woul look a ibit odd to me for this  same the other way round reallyNov 19 15:30
sebsebseband  Cinnamon is one o the lighter  WIndows like interfaces, and KDE is a bit more diffret, so that makes senseNov 19 15:30
sebsebsebiophk: Cinnnamon,  Unity, and  KDE, would work as well really, but  the got two Widows like interfaces, and only one soething elseNov 19 15:31
sebsebsebwhich is a bit hmm to meNov 19 15:31
MinceRso a washed-up KDE, and three macos wannabesNov 19 15:33
DaemonFCshared a link via Open Source For You.Nov 19 15:33
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DaemonFCI would never use Linux Mint. Their developers have a really bad attitude, and their fork of the GNOME software is questionable at best. Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to hold back security updates? Especially for the display server......Nov 19 15:33
MinceRyou could say that if the users like what they see, they can't do worse than thisNov 19 15:34
sebsebsebMinceR: heh heh  yeahNov 19 15:35
sebsebsebMinceR: Cinnamon isn't a Mac OS X wannabe though?Nov 19 15:35
MinceRit's a gnome2 forkNov 19 15:35
MinceRand gnome 2.x and 3.x are macos wannabesNov 19 15:36
sebsebsebDaemonFC: yeah indeedNov 19 15:36
MinceRto the extent of adopting their HIGNov 19 15:36
sebsebsebDaemonFC: well actsauy one of  our guysfor htis evet OpenSUS oneNov 19 15:36
MinceR(which is utterly retarded)Nov 19 15:36
sebsebsebDaemonFC: emailed us about thatNov 19 15:36
sebsebsebfor cosiderationNov 19 15:37
sebsebseb,but it's still in for the voteNov 19 15:37
sebsebsebMinceR: what did you mean by washed-up KDE?Nov 19 15:37
MinceRKDE jumped the shark at 4.0Nov 19 15:37
MinceRthey no longer focus on things that matterNov 19 15:37
sebsebseboh you don't likeKDE Nov 19 15:37
sebsebsebKDE seems to just stay the same for me in the past few release or ore of KDE 4Nov 19 15:38
sebsebsebI don't see the new stuffNov 19 15:38
MinceRi liked KDE up to 3.xNov 19 15:38
iophknor improvementNov 19 15:38
sebsebsebiophk: for KDE?Nov 19 15:38
MinceRit was powerful and reliableNov 19 15:38
iophkthere are many small problems that impair usabilityNov 19 15:38
iophkin KDENov 19 15:38
iophkUntil 4 it was good.Nov 19 15:38
sebsebsebKDE 4 isn't quite WIndows 7 or whatever eitherNov 19 15:38
iophkThey worked hard on usability Nov 19 15:38
sebsebsebthey'll find that hteire icons may move raoundNov 19 15:38
iophkbut not for 4Nov 19 15:38
sebsebseband a non technial user may not like thatNov 19 15:38
MinceRwell, vista is trying to be kdeNov 19 15:38
sebsebseband may fid it hard to try and move back etcNov 19 15:39
MinceR(and failing)Nov 19 15:39
sebsebsebalso if htey try and customise it even to change the backgroundNov 19 15:39
sebsebsebthey'll probaby find that it's very geeky to do soNov 19 15:39
sebsebsebso yeah I guess let openSUSE have it for the event then?Nov 19 15:40
sebsebsebI have my little brother using it before,  and  the icons moved around and what notNov 19 15:40
sebsebsebhave hadNov 19 15:41
sebsebsebcan lock icons, but that won't be defaultNov 19 15:41
sebsebsebI think or  whateverNov 19 15:41
sebsebsebGNOME Shell is alright, but better with a few extensions reallyNov 19 15:41
sebsebsebMinceR: iophk  and Cinnamon really exists, since Mate wanted to do smething differnetNov 19 15:42
sebsebsebinstead of going with GNOME 3Nov 19 15:42
sebsebseb,but Unity did something more interestig etcNov 19 15:43
MinceRfehNov 19 15:44
sebsebsebMinceR: you odn't like Uity ether??Nov 19 15:45
sebsebsebUnity is okish not really for meNov 19 15:45
MinceRi dislike unity most of the aboveNov 19 15:45
MinceRwith its macos-ish non-configurabilityNov 19 15:45
sebsebsebGNOME Shell is  better than UityNov 19 15:45
sebsebsebMinceR: yep  Unity is a Mac OS X ike interfaceNov 19 15:45
sebsebsebso is GNOME Shell really in certain waysNov 19 15:45
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MinceRindeedNov 19 15:46
iophkThe alt-tabbing in Unity is awkward.Nov 19 15:46
sebsebseband then KDE is  a bit ike Wndows 7 or hwatever, but mor geeky,  and  Cinnamon is a bit like 7 or whatever toNov 19 15:46
iophkThe active apps are not centered nor clearly highlighted.Nov 19 15:46
sebsebsebso realy for the event  I guess it's like your saying MinceRNov 19 15:46
MinceRmore like vista7 is a bit like KDENov 19 15:46
sebsebsebWindows, and Mac OS X ilke iterfacesNov 19 15:46
iophkThen there is the whole OS X-like mistake of tabbing apps rather than windows in apps.Nov 19 15:46
sebsebsebwhere's that specific Linux interface?Nov 19 15:46
sebsebseboh right there isn't oneNov 19 15:46
MinceRwell, there isn't one, but there are more powerful interfaces available on GNU/LinuxNov 19 15:47
iophkfvwmNov 19 15:47
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah, but fora non techiNov 19 15:47
sebsebsebit's those optois I putNov 19 15:47
sebsebsebor  maybe XFCE or LXDENov 19 15:47
sebsebsebad that's about it reayNov 19 15:47
MinceRfor a non-techy i can see important options: 1) similar to an OS/UI he already knows; 2) something utilitarian and 3) something flashyNov 19 15:50
sebsebsebMinceR: what do you mean ultitarian?Nov 19 15:52
sebsebsebI think having the four get all that or petty much?Nov 19 15:52
MinceRsomething that is focused on getting things done (your way), not on bling or on imitating something elseNov 19 15:52
sebsebsebok so Cinnamon is that one I guess?Nov 19 15:52
sebsebsebKDE is the siilar to 7 or whateverNov 19 15:52
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MinceRXFCE, LXDE and many classic WM-s do thatNov 19 15:53
MinceRi'm not sure about cinnamon, maybe it's sort of like thatNov 19 15:53
iophkhttp://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE-QtNov 19 15:53
MinceRi haven't used much of it (i did install and use mint on one of my laptops for a short while)Nov 19 15:53
TechrightsBot-trwiki.lxde.org | LXDE-Qt - LXDE.orgNov 19 15:53
sebsebsebGNOME Shell and Unity is the more flashy?Nov 19 15:54
sebsebsebreally he proposed CinnaonNov 19 15:54
sebsebsebsince he thinks t's like Widows 7Nov 19 15:54
sebsebsebhe thinks WIdows users wil ike thatNov 19 15:54
MinceRdunno, i know how flashy compiz and kde4 can beNov 19 15:54
sebsebsebI hope we get the four :)Nov 19 15:54
sebsebsebafter al thisNov 19 15:54
MinceRusers will not necessarily like what they're used to, as the point of switching would be to get improvements :>Nov 19 15:54
sebsebsebtwo Widows like, two Mac os x LIKENov 19 15:54
sebsebsebor whatever you want to sayNov 19 15:54
sebsebsebMinceR: exactlyNov 19 15:55
sebsebsebMinceR: it's good to have diffenret ones there toNov 19 15:55
sebsebsebthey may want to try something differnetNov 19 15:55
sebsebsebthat doesn't look like WindowsNov 19 15:55
sebsebsebKDE and Cinnamon looking nore like Widows, with Unity and GNOME Shell as the something diffenretNov 19 15:55
MinceRwell, you could show off stuff like desktop grid and desktop cube on kdeNov 19 15:57
MinceRalso, wobbly windows and window create/delete animationsNov 19 15:57
sebsebsebwel yeah could do, but won't be for thisNov 19 15:57
sebsebsebseems I have to sell the iea of 4 interfaces on Thursday to now uhNov 19 15:58
sebsebsebMinceR: iophk  I suppoue whatever happens with this silly votig stuff etc,  I still got FOSDEM next yaear to celebrate the Mageai 4 release a bbit and what otNov 19 16:00
sebsebsebassumming it's releaed to the public on time for FOSDENov 19 16:00
sebsebsebMNov 19 16:00
iophkThe new contract with M$ puts Nokia in a hard spot.  M$ is only licensing the patents so if Nokia is to try to make money on that part of the deal it has to play patent troll for M$. Nov 19 16:03
sebsebsebiophk: I am not sure if it's understoo that I meant having a cut down version at least oneNov 19 16:07
sebsebsebwith the proposals as well or notNov 19 16:07
iophkIf you wrote it, it's there.  If not, it's not.Nov 19 16:07
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sebsebsebiophk: I did proposals for cut downsNov 19 16:08
sebsebseb,but seperate from  other propas or whatever,  Nov 19 16:08
sebsebsebiophk: confussig  propspals system seeNov 19 16:09
sebsebsebiophk: maybe I should let him do that cut down no problemNov 19 16:14
sebsebsebiophk: otheriwse I got to do a puppy linux ting hmmNov 19 16:14
iophkThat's why it would have been better to decide on the DEs first.Nov 19 16:16
iophkIt'll be interesting if Puppy makes the final list.Nov 19 16:17
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schestowitz".. because their whole business model is based on prosecuting their customers .."Nov 19 16:18
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309420Nov 19 16:19
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #NSA profiling (e.g. for drone strikes) and #espionage is worse than "against free speech"; it's against free/anonymous reading/learningNov 19 16:19
schestowitz"They've been attacking financial networks as well. So you could as easily add theft/fraud to the list. The NSA is a criminal conspiracy."Nov 19 16:19
schestowitzA lot of the military industrial complex is shady and murderous like that.Nov 19 16:19
DaemonFC2 seconds agoNov 19 16:20
DaemonFCI wonder how many people will show up at Freedom Indiana's anti-HJR-6 meeting in Huntington.Nov 19 16:20
DaemonFCI'm considering whether I want to go or not. I know this is going to sound terrible, but I'm trying to figure out how I have a stake in this. Of course, it would piss off the far right, and that's always fun all by itself.Nov 19 16:20
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Nov 19 16:21
schestowitz> Nov 19 16:21
schestowitz> I will indeed be meeting him at the rail station, which is only a short 5 minute walk from our campus. Will you be travelling in by rail yourself?Nov 19 16:21
schestowitzYes, but I have not yet booked a train because I don't know what time to arrive, who to meet, etc. That's why I need your help.Nov 19 16:21
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sebsebsebiophk: I think sinc how these proposals are doneNov 19 16:24
sebsebsebiophk: and how they are gong to get voted onNov 19 16:24
sebsebsebiophk: I think I have to out vote puppyNov 19 16:25
sebsebseblet him make the cut down and that's thatNov 19 16:25
sebsebsebiophk: might not even get to my main proposals, depending on how things goNov 19 16:25
sebsebsebthey may not get voted on at all nowNov 19 16:25
sebsebsebiophk: maybe I shuld show you that document, I have gone wrong for sure it seemsNov 19 16:27
iophkI wouldn't be able to do anythingNov 19 16:27
sebsebsebtrue, but you could see what I am on aboutNov 19 16:27
sebsebsebiophk: what does F/A/O mean on the side?Nov 19 16:30
sebsebsebis it a tick boNov 19 16:30
sebsebsebxNov 19 16:30
sebsebseblooks like tick box thereNov 19 16:30
iophkside of what?Nov 19 16:30
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/402735462588362752Nov 19 16:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Huge jump in #FOIA requests to #NSA  http://t.co/Wa1pNe8Lxi and #fbi http://t.co/48UQwoQAwVNov 19 16:30
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.salon.com | Huge jump in FOIA requests to NSA - Salon.comNov 19 16:30
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.motherjones.com | Meet the Punk Rocker Who Can Liberate Your FBI File | Mother JonesNov 19 16:30
iophkHow will you do the voting?Nov 19 16:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Morality124/status/402797279154696192Nov 19 16:31
TechrightsBot-tr@Morality124: @schestowitz I wonder why. ;)Nov 19 16:31
iophkroot mean squared ranking ?Nov 19 16:31
sebsebsebiophk: the guy who's in America will send him what he wants,  if he wants to voteNov 19 16:32
sebsebseband he'll vote for himNov 19 16:32
sebsebsebiophk: and the rest of us at the meeting, after  demo's have been show and promotion talks and suchNov 19 16:33
sebsebsebiophk: shame Unity isn't in many other distors in a wayNov 19 16:33
sebsebsebI mean could have said no I'll use my own distro for that if so :)Nov 19 16:34
iophkI was kind of expecting Unity to be ported upstream to Debian,Nov 19 16:34
iophkbut I guess there must be some reasons not to.Nov 19 16:34
sebsebsebshame about the lack of Cinanamon and Mate Live Media's even when  Mageia 4 comes out in FebruaryNov 19 16:34
MinceRyou could probably make an ubuntu fork with unity, but there isn't much of a pointNov 19 16:34
sebsebsebyep seems' hardy any otherdistros will have itNov 19 16:35
sebsebsebsince the  technical reaosns and poloticalNov 19 16:35
sebsebsebsince it wasn't from a standard upstreamNov 19 16:35
sebsebsebit's from Canoncal who play upstream now for those things, and  want to be  a platform and all thatNov 19 16:35
sebsebseband then a lot of people don't trust htem quite, since they are commericl and have a copyright assignments policy as wellNov 19 16:35
sebsebsebiophk: MinceR don't you think it' a bit odd in a way, if GNOME 3 goes out though,  with Unity,  but more specifically Cinnamon in for thisNov 19 16:36
sebsebsebCinnamon exists since the GNOME  3 whinersNov 19 16:36
*MinceR shrugsNov 19 16:36
sebsebseband Mint not wanting to go with it and do soething differnet, and I think  Unity  going on the desktop is a silar kind of thingNov 19 16:37
sebsebsebthat was just going to be a netbook interace to begin withNov 19 16:37
MinceRwhat did you expect when opensuse and ubuntu were the distros they most insisted on?Nov 19 16:37
sebsebsebMinceR: I am not out voted yetNov 19 16:37
sebsebseb,but I  will be now  since done proposals wrong a bitNov 19 16:37
sebsebsebunless I can persuae to have all 4 distrosNov 19 16:37
sebsebsebMinceR: openSUSE and Mint was what was most insisted onNov 19 16:38
sebsebsebthen Ubuntu guy comes along to, and that gets added into the mix,  but orinaly  it wasl ike 2 or 3 distrosNov 19 16:38
sebsebsebI think we should have just said 4 in a way from the beginign,  or when he wanted Ubuntu or somethingNov 19 16:38
MinceRicNov 19 16:39
sebsebseband the formal stuff could have been done sooner really as iophk suggested,  or hwateverNov 19 16:39
MinceRmaybe the goals should have been clarified at the startNov 19 16:39
sebsebsebMinceR: now I need all 4 in Nov 19 16:39
sebsebsebMinceR: or my proposlas are outNov 19 16:39
sebsebsebMinceR: he tried to exxplain the  how voting would be doneNov 19 16:40
sebsebseb,but then did proposals in this conussing documentNov 19 16:40
sebsebsebthat he wanted edited in a certain way, an I had issues with htatNov 19 16:40
sebsebseband then he suggtes less propsls, and I get stressed out editing the document a few times to and such whichdoesn't help thingsNov 19 16:41
sebsebsebiophk: shoudn't there be a way to change proplss after seeing demo's and such surely? or a bitNov 19 16:43
sebsebseb,but not sure if that's gong to get done or not eitherNov 19 16:43
sebsebsebI mean after the demo's and speeches?Nov 19 16:43
MinceRit's a pity they don't explain what's wrong about gtk+ 3.x in the lxde-qt post or the referred postNov 19 16:44
MinceRi was interestedNov 19 16:44
MinceRstill, i guess this makes lxde more interesting to me :>Nov 19 16:45
sebsebsebMinceR: Ubuntu was gong qtqml for UnityNov 19 16:46
MinceRi don't see how that affects lxdeNov 19 16:46
sebsebsebnot raelly read the lxde thing yetNov 19 16:46
MinceRhttp://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE-QtNov 19 16:47
TechrightsBot-trwiki.lxde.org | LXDE-Qt - LXDE.orgNov 19 16:47
MinceRhttp://blog.lxde.org/?p=1013Nov 19 16:48
TechrightsBot-trblog.lxde.org | LXDE - LXDE-Qt PreviewNov 19 16:48
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schestowitzmeeting rms...Nov 19 17:07
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Nov 19 17:07
schestowitz> Nov 19 17:07
schestowitz> I am hosting Richard so I will be meeting him from the station, and he will be staying with me that evening. Currently Richard is not sure exactly which train he will take, as his ticket is open to and from London, although he has expressed an interest in arriving around 17:00. When I get a firm time I will relay to you, if that would help? I'd be happy to meet you at the train station, or on the university campus.Nov 19 17:07
schestowitzRichard told me he might arrive at round 13:00, so I guess the arrival time is still uncertain. Given this uncertainty, please do let me know when there are clearer plans, I'd really appreciate it.Nov 19 17:07
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iophkNov 19 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettysburg_AddressNov 19 17:16
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Gettysburg Address - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/g2ask ]Nov 19 17:16
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307632Nov 19 17:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "the Free Software Foundation aims for a cloud that foils state-sponsored snooping" http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/gnus-novel-proposal-cloud-puts-privacy-first-228599 #fsfNov 19 17:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.infoworld.com | GNU's novel proposal: A cloud that puts privacy first | Open Source Software - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g28l1 ]Nov 19 17:46
schestowitz"And the drugs, the terrists will force the child'un to take! Oh the humanity!"Nov 19 17:46
schestowitziophk: what about it?Nov 19 17:46
schestowitziophk: today I learned that someone I knew from Finland (she worked here for some years and studied) had moved to SwedenNov 19 17:47
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307265Nov 19 17:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FBI Stops Responding To The Most Prolific FOIA Filer, Because He Might Actually Learn Something http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131118/01542825271/fbi-stops-responding-to-most-prolific-foia-filer-because-he-might-actually-learn-something.shtml #fbuNov 19 17:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techdirt.com | FBI Stops Responding To The Most Prolific FOIA Filer, Because He Might Actually Learn Something | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/g28lq ]Nov 19 17:47
schestowitz"Yeah, I'd just think that for PR purposes they'd at least want to make up some kind of weakly, plausible sounding excuse for the unwashed masses..."Nov 19 17:47
schestowitzFBI as "accountable". It's worse to have the perception (fake) of it than to have none at all.Nov 19 17:47
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307452Nov 19 17:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/15/richard-stallman-letter/ http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/spouse-of-a-stratfor-client/Nov 19 17:48
TechrightsBot-tr-> venturebeat.com | Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence | VentureBeat  [ http://ur1.ca/g28on ]Nov 19 17:48
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | ‘Innocent Until Proven Guilty’ Becomes a Thing of the Past | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g28oo ]Nov 19 17:48
schestowitz"Nov 19 17:48
schestowitzThe letter,Nov 19 17:48
schestowitz###Nov 19 17:48
schestowitz[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden’s example.Nov 19 17:48
schestowitzReferences about GNU and Linux: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html Reference about copyleft: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/Nov 19 17:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnu.org | GNU/Linux FAQ - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/h4tu ]Nov 19 17:49
schestowitzDear Judge Preska I’ve been proud to call myself a hacker since 1971. That’s when I was hired by the MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab to join the team that developed the lab’s operating systems — for which the unofficial job title was “system hacker”. My subsequent hacking career has included developing the GNU operating system, which is often erroneously called “Linux”, and the legal hack of “copyleft” which uses Nov 19 17:49
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnu.org | About the GNU Project - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/9q80v ]Nov 19 17:49
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnu.org | What is Copyleft? - GNU Project - Free Software FoundationNov 19 17:49
schestowitzcopyright law to ensure that all users of a program are free to redistribute it and change it. I’ve received numerous awards and doctorates for my hacking, and have been invited twice to publish articles in law reviews.Nov 19 17:49
schestowitzBeing a hacker means practicing and enjoying playful cleverness. (See stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html.) It does not particularly have to do with breaking security. Indeed, no one ever broke security on the AI lab’s system, because we decided not to implement any.Nov 19 17:49
schestowitzThat decision, made by the original team members who became my mentors, was not taken lightly: it was the result of careful political and philosophical thought. Instead of keeping most users (those without “privileges” — which already sounds like a prison) shackled so that they could not hurt each other, we thought the lab members and guest users could learn to get along as a community, choosing not to hurt each other. And they Nov 19 17:49
schestowitzdid!Nov 19 17:49
schestowitzThis example is not unusual for hackers. From the beginning, hackers’ taste for playful cleverness has often gone along with a sense of social responsibility, concern for others’ well-being. Jeremy Hammond is a fine example of a socially responsible hacker. He found a clever way to expose the many nefarious deeds that Stratfor was planning and proposing.Nov 19 17:49
schestowitzPeople should not be allowed to enter others’ computers without permission; but when punishing someone for virtual trespassing, we ought to consider his motive. Those who trespass as part of a nonviolent protest, either physically or virtually, should not receive severe punishments. Those who act neither for gain nor for malice should not receive severe punishments. Imagine where our country would be if the civil rights and antiwar Nov 19 17:49
schestowitzsit-ins had been punished by years in prison! If we do not want the US to be like Putin’s Russia, imposing long sentences on protesters, we must steer clear of doing so. That applies to virtual protests as well as physical ones.Nov 19 17:49
schestowitzI therefore respectfully suggest that Hammond be sentenced to community service. To make use of his skills and abilities, this service could consist of helping nonprofit organizations protect their personal data. Sincerely, Richard Stallman Lead developer of the GNU system (gnu.org) President, Free Software Foundation (fsf.org) MacArthur Fellow Internet hall-of-famer (internethalloffame.org)Nov 19 17:49
schestowitz"Nov 19 17:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306032Nov 19 17:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-sailfish-os-phone-november-27-release/ #jolla #linux #nokia #meegoNov 19 17:49
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.digitaltrends.com | Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 | Digital Trends  [ http://ur1.ca/g23w8 ]Nov 19 17:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306032Nov 19 17:59
schestowitz"Ok. Well here's hoping for as much open as possible. WIll be interesting to see what comes out on the 27'th. If I wanted a phone that had a bunch of FOSS under the hood, but a proprietary GUI that locked out most current FOSS apps, I'd get an iPhone."Nov 19 17:59
iophkhttp://gigaom.com/2013/11/19/heres-what-we-know-about-european-collaboration-with-the-nsa/Nov 19 18:07
TechrightsBot-trgigaom.com | Here’s what we know about European collaboration with the NSA — Tech News and Analysis  [ http://ur1.ca/g2azn ]Nov 19 18:07
iophkhttp://www.kansas.com/2013/11/18/3126980/lincolns-gettysburg-address-delivered.htmlNov 19 18:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.kansas.com | Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address changed the American psyche, KU professor says | Wichita Eagle  [ http://ur1.ca/g2b06 ]Nov 19 18:11
schestowitzWow, Norway too?Nov 19 18:18
iophkYep.  Millions.Nov 19 18:18
iophkThey're now arguing over how much the law was broken.Nov 19 18:18
iophkIn Sweden there was also something about SÄPO wanting permanent wiretaps on Internet traffic or something like that.  Nov 19 18:19
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sebsebsebiophk: uh I made a stupid commentNov 19 18:25
sebsebsebiophk:  in the emai to him earlierNov 19 18:25
sebsebsebgot the relyNov 19 18:25
iophkokNov 19 18:25
sebsebsebiophk: wlel not jut him to allNov 19 18:25
sebsebsebiophk: trying to explain it and such, but uhNov 19 18:25
sebsebsebI am not really a email prsonNov 19 18:26
schestowitziophk: Sweden helps spy on RussiaNov 19 18:40
iophkYes, many of the cables go through.Nov 19 18:40
iophkSome guess that is why Google is building a center on the border just inside Finland.Nov 19 18:41
iophkon the Russian border.Nov 19 18:41
iophkThey bought up a whole industry park and are right next to two power stations.Nov 19 18:41
iophkhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/04/us-google-finland-center-idUSBRE9A308Y20131104Nov 19 18:51
TechrightsBot-trwww.reuters.com | Google lifts post-Nokia hopes with Finnish data centre investment | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/g2b77 ]Nov 19 18:51
*rysiekpl is now known as rysiek|plNov 19 18:51
schestowitziophk: postedNov 19 19:15
schestowitzinteresting angleNov 19 19:15
schestowitzmaybe they want Google to help make Finland another SwedenNov 19 19:15
schestowitzinformant against RussiaNov 19 19:15
schestowitzthat can't be good for Finnish national securityNov 19 19:16
schestowitzbefore you know it they'll drink tank fuel like spirit against fighting KGB warlord Vlad PutinNov 19 19:16
schestowitz*again,Nov 19 19:16
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3311376Nov 19 19:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How Munich rejected Steve Ballmer and kicked Microsoft out of the city http://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-munich-rejected-steve-ballmer-and-kicked-microsoft-out-of-the-city/ allegedly #ballmer tried to bribe themNov 19 19:49
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techrepublic.com | How Munich rejected Steve Ballmer and kicked Microsoft out of the city - Feature - TechRepublic  [ http://ur1.ca/g2bol ]Nov 19 19:49
schestowitz"I know this story :) Our Mayor told us this on the Linux Days."Nov 19 19:49
schestowitzhttp://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_11_19-google_calls_me_spammer_for_rms_letter/letters_of_support.pdfNov 19 19:50
schestowitz"Thanks, riveraldez. Looking around a little, I discovered that RMS's letter is one of many submitted to Preska on Hammond's behalf. Strangely, the pdf copy is no longer on the Free Jeremy site where Google says it was, so I made a pdf print of Google's cache. RMS wrote his letter on October 22nd and it was published in a document titled "Case 1:12-cr-00185-LAP Document 56-7 Filed 11/01/13 ""Nov 19 19:50
iophkLocation of Hamina  : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HaminaNov 19 20:21
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Hamina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 19 20:21
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3305623Nov 19 20:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Android’s GNU/Linux-based Rivals Are Doing Pretty Well http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/android-linux-rivals/ #android #linux #tizen #jollaNov 19 20:51
schestowitz"Dunno, so far only Jolla brings a Phone to market i think?"Nov 19 20:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Android’s GNU/Linux-based Rivals Are Doing Pretty Well | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g2c1d ]Nov 19 20:51
schestowitzhttp://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/744744-10-best-quotes-from-linus-torvalds-keynote-at-linuxcon-europeNov 19 21:02
TechrightsBot-trwww.linux.com | 10 Best Quotes from Linus Torvalds' Keynote at LinuxCon Europe | Linux.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g2c2t ]Nov 19 21:02
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schestowitzhttp://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/mobile-cloud-view/ceo-roadkill-sign-that-disruption-is-catching-up-with-the-old-guard/Nov 19 21:51
TechrightsBot-tritknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com | CEO roadkill sign that disruption is catching up with the old guard - View From Above  [ http://ur1.ca/g2cb4 ]Nov 19 21:51
schestowitzthe Microsoft booster bashes mainframes because they run Linux http://www.zdnet.com/the-immortal-mainframe-and-what-it-means-for-the-future-of-application-development-7000023338/Nov 19 21:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.zdnet.com | The immortal mainframe and what it means for the future of application development | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2cc3 ]Nov 19 21:59
schestowitzIs this paid endorsement?Nov 19 22:16
schestowitzLinux Journal promoting proprietary again http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/sublime-text-one-editor-rule-them-all?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+linuxjournalcom+%28Linux+Journal+-+The+Original+Magazine+of+the+Linux+Community%29Nov 19 22:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.linuxjournal.com | Sublime Text: One Editor to Rule Them All? | Linux Journal  [ http://ur1.ca/g2cfa ]Nov 19 22:16
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iophkhttp://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=www.techrights.orgNov 20 08:19
TechrightsBot-trdevelopers.google.com | PageSpeed Insights  [ http://ur1.ca/g2f0g ]Nov 20 08:19
iophk"The Lumia/Windows Phone business unit will at some point be closed down at Microsoft after enough money is thrown into that endless pit"Nov 20 08:19
iophk"I will soon release my book on the Elop Effect"Nov 20 08:19
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/11/its-now-official-nokia-shareholders-approved-the-deal.htmlNov 20 08:19
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Its Now Official, Nokia Shareholders Approved the Deal  [ http://ur1.ca/g2f0h ]Nov 20 08:19
MinceRgeekingsNov 20 09:15
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309256Nov 20 09:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Why are some of the most powerful people in Britain so terrified of a bunch of students?" http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/18/police-students-threat-law-and-order-politics not yet debt-saddledNov 20 09:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Police are cracking down on students – but what threat to law and order is an over-articulate history graduate? | Aditya Chakrabortty | Comment is free | The Guardian  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fd6 ]Nov 20 09:42
schestowitz"This is happening in the US as well. City University of New York with Petreus as well as at Berkely with tuition hike protests over the last couple years. Quebec last year had a major crackdown on their student movement, the so-called "Maple Spring.""Nov 20 09:42
schestowitzMaybe they need to shove more debt down the students' throats to make them more scared and obedient with paralysis. :/Nov 20 09:42
schestowitziophk: no very major errorNov 20 09:44
schestowitzi checked this on android tablet and phoneNov 20 09:44
iophkok goodNov 20 09:44
schestowitzred exclamation points are mostly performancr relatedNov 20 09:44
iophkthere are several subpages to check tooNov 20 09:44
schestowitzand they don't like redirectsNov 20 09:44
schestowitzi could never set uo .htaccess to achieve thisNov 20 09:45
iophk.htaccess is only a subset of what you can really do  in the regular vhost configuration fileNov 20 09:45
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309026Nov 20 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: Occupy Wall St.Nov 20 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by sunny_day@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_b6e7de528f4bec51d9e7.jpgNov 20 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by sunny_day@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_b6e7de528f4bec51d9e7.jpgNov 20 09:45
schestowitz"I was going to say the same thing, Bugs. You could probably add up all the Americans killed by terrorism in the entire 20th century and it still wouldn't equal 5,000."Nov 20 09:45
iophkAbout the Guardian article, chalk on a limestone wall will etch it.  So technically it is vandalism.  I forget the chemistry though.Nov 20 09:47
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307504Nov 20 09:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: U.S. justices won't review intelligence court action on phone records  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-court-intelligence-20131118,0,7821882.story leaving it to secret societies and deptsNov 20 09:48
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.chicagotribune.com | U.S. justices won't review intelligence court action on phone records - chicagotribune.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g25f6 ]Nov 20 09:48
schestowitz"Unlimited corporate money for elections they can take the time, but challenges to the Constitution, meh."Nov 20 09:48
iophkhttp://falkvinge.net/2013/11/19/swedish-regime-to-give-police-customs-tax-authorities-realtime-access-to-citizens-phone-mail-more/Nov 20 09:50
TechrightsBot-trfalkvinge.net | Swedish Regime To Give Police, Customs, Tax Authorities Realtime Access to Citizens' Phone, Mail, More - Falkvinge on Infopolicy  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fe7 ]Nov 20 09:50
iophka follow up to that comment yesterday.Nov 20 09:51
iophkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2064940/ubuntu-linux-server-with-arm-processor-rolled-out-by-boston-limited.htmlNov 20 09:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcworld.com | Ubuntu Linux server with ARM processor rolled out by Boston Limited | PCWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fep ]Nov 20 09:54
schestowitzseen thatNov 20 09:55
iophkArmNov 20 09:55
iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/19/lavabit_analysis/Nov 20 10:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Lavabit founder: Feds ORDERED email providers to stay open • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fhq ]Nov 20 10:19
schestowitzhttp://englishrussia.com/2013/11/19/top-25-fantastic-soviet-buildings/Nov 20 10:23
TechrightsBot-trenglishrussia.com | Top 25 Fantastic Soviet Buildings | English Russia  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fic ]Nov 20 10:23
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iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2307982/luxembourg-is-happy-with-microsofts-data-protectionNov 20 10:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Luxembourg is happy with Microsoft's data protection    - The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fku ]Nov 20 10:44
MinceRHow many Marxists does it take to change a lightbulb?Nov 20 11:52
MinceRNone. The lightbulb contains the seeds of its own revolution.Nov 20 11:52
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3311989Nov 20 16:57
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Won't Be Powered By Mir http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUxOTQNov 20 16:57
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Won't Be Powered By Mir  [ http://ur1.ca/g2d51 ]Nov 20 16:57
schestowitz"So beloved X is not ready to die yet:Nov 20 16:57
schestowitziophk: inaccurate headlineNov 20 16:58
schestowitzthe INQ chooses to santionaliseNov 20 16:58
iophkMir won't be in LTSNov 20 16:58
schestowitz"Fairly predictable. I mean it's an LTS. I guarantee you they'll push it on 14.10 regardless of readiness."Nov 20 16:59
schestowitziophk: Canonical won't be in it, eitherNov 20 16:59
schestowitz:-Nov 20 16:59
schestowitzUbuntu's short lifecycle causes problerms at workNov 20 16:59
schestowitza government client still uses 9.04Nov 20 16:59
iophkyes, it's almost uselessNov 20 16:59
schestowitzand the repos are not there, the CMS is almost imposible to run on a shadow box, but we tryNov 20 16:59
iophkLTS will be the only way to go, if it measures up.Nov 20 17:00
schestowitz4 nights of works in vainNov 20 17:00
schestowitzDebian has a lot longer when it comes to supportNov 20 17:00
iophkBut if it does not , people will just have to  go back to DebianNov 20 17:00
schestowitz5 years I think?Nov 20 17:00
iophkIt variesNov 20 17:00
schestowitzRHEL and others about 10 yearsNov 20 17:00
schestowitzSUSE also expanded to 10Nov 20 17:00
schestowitzDebian is our in-house standardNov 20 17:00
schestowitzused by defauly everywhereNov 20 17:01
schestowitzsome get taken by the ubuntu hype among he clientNov 20 17:01
schestowitzand they pay dearly for itNov 20 17:01
iophkDebian is about 3 years on averageNov 20 17:01
iophkUpgrade is better with a clean install I thinkNov 20 17:01
iophkI think the only support one release back from -stableNov 20 17:03
iophkNot sure.Nov 20 17:03
iophkTheir pages have little support info.Nov 20 17:03
iophkOpenBSD has a steady release cycle, which is about mandatory, but the upgrades are reliable.Nov 20 17:04
iophkThere's a new 3rd party support option: http://www.mtier.org/news/openbsd-ports-lt-support/Nov 20 17:06
TechrightsBot-trwww.mtier.org | OpenBSD Ports Long Term Support » M:Tier  [ http://ur1.ca/g2h0b ]Nov 20 17:06
iophkBut that only buys you 6 months to a year.Nov 20 17:06
iophkDebian Lenny was supported for 2 yearsNov 20 17:08
iophkhttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny/Nov 20 17:09
TechrightsBot-trwiki.debian.org | DebianLenny - Debian WikiNov 20 17:09
iophkSorry.  3 yearsNov 20 17:09
iophk2009 - 2012Nov 20 17:09
iophkAbout the warranty period for low end equipment anywayNov 20 17:10
schestowitztheir upgrades are said to be reliableNov 20 17:10
schestowitzI never had issues wuth Canonical's either, except I needed to gtechnical kn owledge to make the machine bootable after the upgradeNov 20 17:10
schestowitzit wasn't so clean at allNov 20 17:10
iophkDebian is supported for about 3 years the previous 4 releases;Nov 20 17:15
iophkhttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleasesNov 20 17:15
TechrightsBot-trwiki.debian.org | DebianReleases - Debian WikiNov 20 17:15
iophkeachNov 20 17:15
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3313662Nov 20 17:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Will a shot of Android be enough to save BlackBerry? http://www.zdnet.com/will-a-shot-of-android-be-enough-to-save-blackberry-7000023331/ #android #linux or #meego could save #nokiaNov 20 17:46
schestowitz"Nah, they are toast."Nov 20 17:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.zdnet.com | Will a shot of Android be enough to save BlackBerry? | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2h4x ]Nov 20 17:46
iophkQNX was a good choice, technically.Nov 20 17:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307530Nov 20 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Capitalism and Unemployment  http://truth-out.org/news/item/20015-capitalism-and-unemployment "manage unemployment by reducing everyone's work week by 7.5 per cent"Nov 20 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr-> truth-out.org | Capitalism and Unemployment  [ http://ur1.ca/g28m4 ]Nov 20 17:50
schestowitz"@Jesse - All your suggestions are good and valid. I would love to see them all implemented. Things like this will generally face a tough battle though, precisely because, while good for human health and society, they are less efficient at producing capital, ergo groups with a lot of capital (and thus with money and power to spare) will likely oppose them. That's not to say it can't be done, or that we shouldn't try. We should. It's Nov 20 17:51
schestowitzjust that in a capitalist society, fighting against anything that resists more efficient generation of capital (regardless of it's social and moral good) will always be an uphill battle."Nov 20 17:51
iophkold - http://www.golem.de/news/standarddesktop-debian-ersetzt-gnome-durch-xfce-1311-102578.htmlNov 20 17:53
TechrightsBot-trwww.golem.de | Standarddesktop: Debian ersetzt Gnome durch Xfce - Golem.de  [ http://ur1.ca/g2h5q ]Nov 20 17:53
iophknot a final decision yetNov 20 17:56
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iophkhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/11/20/software-patent-reform-just-died-in-the-house-thanks-to-ibm-and-microsoft/Nov 20 19:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.washingtonpost.com | Software patent reform just died in the House, thanks to IBM and Microsoft  [ http://ur1.ca/g2hib ]Nov 20 19:10
iophkpretending that the problem is "bad" patents rather than software patents in and of themselvesNov 20 19:12
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MinceRhttp://loltheists.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/NdGT1.jpgNov 20 19:24
MinceRhmm... Book of Origin, you say? :>Nov 20 19:24
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MinceRhttp://loltheists.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/sand-people1.jpgNov 20 20:01
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Sosumihttp://www.flickr.com/photos/expd/7581697768/Nov 20 20:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.flickr.com | THE BERNANKE CRIME FAMILY (UPDATED) | Flickr - Photo Sharing!  [ http://ur1.ca/g2htu ]Nov 20 20:34
SosumilulzNov 20 20:34
MinceRhttp://loltheists.com/?p=3245Nov 20 20:45
TechrightsBot-trloltheists.com | A Priest mocks creationismNov 20 20:45
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msb__MAJOR MESSING WITH THE INTERNET!  http://allthingsd.com/20131120/how-somebody-forced-the-worlds-internet-traffic-through-belarus-and-iceland/Nov 20 21:12
TechrightsBot-trallthingsd.com | Someone Forced World Internet Traffic Through Belarus and Iceland - Arik Hesseldahl - News - AllThingsD  [ http://ur1.ca/g2i01 ]Nov 20 21:12
Sosumiand winamp will be no more after december the 20thNov 20 21:18
Sosuminever used it anyways and now, never willNov 20 21:18
iophkhttp://www.clementine-player.org/downloadsNov 20 21:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.clementine-player.org | Downloads | Clementine Music Player  [ http://ur1.ca/g2i16 ]Nov 20 21:20
msb__Wow, fancy!  I just use hierarchical directories and soft-links to organize my music, with a couple of bash scripts to help, and mplayer (which will play any format and record any stream) and xmms (for which I have a lot of equalizer specs stored) to play it.Nov 20 21:30
msb__...and google to look up lyrics.Nov 20 21:31
msb__...and mc in konsoles to select it to play.  Being paranoid, I prefer using very simple techniques instead of a complex program that could hiccup and delete everything, or develop a database fault that leaves everything unfindable.  Nov 20 21:35
iophk!google microsoft opensuseNov 20 21:40
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Microsoft and SUSE Renew Successful Interoperability Agreement ... | https://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.htmlNov 20 21:40
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - The Microsoft SUSE Alliance Website | https://www.moreinterop.com/Nov 20 21:40
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Microsoft and SUSE extend Microsoft's controversial Novell Linux ... | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-and-suse-extend-microsofts-controversial-novell-linux-pact/10164Nov 20 21:40
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - openSUSE:Novell involvement - openSUSE | http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Novell_involvementNov 20 21:40
msb__Yuck!  Well, it doesn't seem to have harmed the OpenSuse distro any (except for KDE4, which I don't use), and the latest version of OpenSuse still makes KDE3 available.  I don't know if any other distro does.  Nov 20 21:44
iophkIt's getting too much buzz from people that should know better.Nov 20 21:44
msb__Of course there's always the TDE fork of KDE3, for lots of distros:  http://www.trinitydesktop.org/Nov 20 21:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.trinitydesktop.org | Trinity Desktop EnvironmentNov 20 21:44
iophkThen also some of that marketing has to be coming from M$ Nov 20 21:44
msb__iophk: What, people claiming that MS connection to Linux is a good thing?Nov 20 21:45
iophkMostly ignorance of the problemNov 20 21:45
iophkand denial that it is a bad thingNov 20 21:46
msb__Well, I now have this linked from my Linux page, so I'm doing my part:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/MICROSOFTS_WAR_AGAINST_LINUX.htmlNov 20 21:48
TechrightsBot-trcosmicpenguin.com | MICROSOFT'S WAR AGAINST LINUX  [ http://ur1.ca/6f05a ]Nov 20 21:48
iophkmbs__: anything about M$ Suse?Nov 20 21:50
iophk"When people started taking MBA seriously, that was the beginning of the ruination of the American industrial society. "Nov 20 21:55
iophkhttp://home.online.no/~corneliu/mother1.htmNov 20 21:55
TechrightsBot-trhome.online.no | The Mother of All Interviews: Part 1  [ http://ur1.ca/g2i7d ]Nov 20 21:55
msb__In the WAR page?  No, but I can't pinpoint any harm that has actually resulted from it.  I was told by someone involved that the feature list for KDE4 was created by focus groups populated by ignorant MS users, hence its emphasis on more than 100 bling adjustments and lack of concern with functionality, but I can't find anything about that on the Web and my source doesn't want to be named.Nov 20 21:55
msb__So I just consider KDE4 to be crap and recommend that people not use it.  Although I do use a few of its apps, which are improved from the KDE3 versions.Nov 20 21:57
Sosumialso IBM and guess whatNov 20 22:02
SosumiM$ killed some patent reformNov 20 22:03
Sosumihttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/20/1834248/software-patent-reform-stalls-thanks-to-ibm-and-microsoft-lobbying?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitterNov 20 22:03
TechrightsBot-tryro.slashdot.org | Software Patent Reform Stalls Thanks To IBM and Microsoft Lobbying - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/g2i92 ]Nov 20 22:03
msb__Gack!  I though IBM were good guys.Nov 20 22:04
Sosumiin some countries lobbying is called is called bribingNov 20 22:04
msb__Question to Zappa: "How have you managed to avoid becoming an insurance executive?"Nov 20 22:04
msb__Sosumi: In all countries, among people who are conscious.Nov 20 22:05
Sosumi:)Nov 20 22:05
Sosumibut IBM is hardly any goodNov 20 22:06
msb__It did help Linux some years ago.Nov 20 22:06
SosumiI know, but because it also benefited themNov 20 22:06
msb__But I guess Big Iron is now eventually doomed, so IBM is getting desperate.Nov 20 22:07
Sosumione hand washed the other, no big deal, until it actually isNov 20 22:07
Sosumihow's big iron doomed?Nov 20 22:07
msb__Replaced by networks of PCs running Linux.Nov 20 22:07
Sosumistill big ironNov 20 22:08
iophkOr DragonflyBSD or QNXNov 20 22:08
iophkthose clusterNov 20 22:08
iophkbut the mainframe might still be more efficientNov 20 22:08
msb__Right, I should have said "cluster", not "network".Nov 20 22:09
Sosuminothing beats rack mounted servers when it comes efficiencyNov 20 22:09
Sosumiand IBM still makes thoseNov 20 22:09
iophkThey're doing a big push with PPC now.Nov 20 22:10
Sosumiincluding their niche of Power based racksNov 20 22:10
Sosumiwell, if they hadn't killed it in the workstation spaceNov 20 22:10
Sosumithey'd be in a better spot nowNov 20 22:10
MinceRapparently even ARM is coming to the server room nowNov 20 22:10
iophkYes at the low end or something.Nov 20 22:11
Sosumicaldexa and hp are doing thatNov 20 22:11
Sosumihp moonshot, I think that's the nameNov 20 22:11
Sosumiwhat we need, and I say in generalNov 20 22:12
Sosumiis a big war on x86Nov 20 22:12
Sosumiand intelNov 20 22:12
iophkget rid of bothNov 20 22:12
msb__It's like a seething pond of rapidly evolving protozoa.Nov 20 22:12
Sosumifor now, just to beat their shareNov 20 22:12
Sosumibut it seems that neither IBM nor oracle want to throw in workstation based on sparc or ppcNov 20 22:13
Sosumiwhich is plain sadNov 20 22:13
iophkIs it some kind of collusion?Nov 20 22:14
SosuminoNov 20 22:14
Sosumijust relaunch the sparcstations and the ppc thinkstationsNov 20 22:14
iophkApple turned coat and went x86Nov 20 22:14
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iophkthe PPC were better built I thinkNov 20 22:14
msb__Taiwan just keeps churning out good mobos for AMD and Intel CPUs.Nov 20 22:15
Sosumiapple couldn't even do the compiler right for ppcNov 20 22:15
iophkOracle could have been promoting Sparc but hasn't.Nov 20 22:15
Sosumithey were using a modified version of gcc which didn't include any of the ppc specific instructionsNov 20 22:16
Sosumiinstead you had to get the IBM compilerNov 20 22:16
msb__How much more bang for the buck would you get from PPC, Sparc, etc., than from X86-64?  Nov 20 22:16
Sosumialso XNU kind of chocked under extremly heavy loadNov 20 22:16
Sosumiso for apple going intel, probably was the best wayNov 20 22:17
Sosumisince they are just a computer marketing companyNov 20 22:17
SosuminowNov 20 22:17
msb__If it's only 2X, then it may not be worth making all the changes.Nov 20 22:17
msb__...to switch to RISC.Nov 20 22:17
Sosumiband for the buck... well, force intel to lower pricesNov 20 22:17
Sosumion the high end workstation cpusNov 20 22:18
Sosumisince they have no competition thereNov 20 22:18
MinceRis it still a computer if it isn't designed to do computing? :>Nov 20 22:18
msb__MinceR: ???Nov 20 22:19
Sosumicurrent macs aren't designed to do computingNov 20 22:19
MinceRcrApple products after the apple II, i meanNov 20 22:19
Sosumijust look at the buttplug pro, it doesn't even have a psu that can take the load of both gpus and cpu being heavily taxedNov 20 22:20
msb__Aren't high-end AMD cpus almost as good as Intel's?  I always get AMD.Nov 20 22:20
Sosumilet alone dissipating all the heatNov 20 22:20
MinceRi don't knowNov 20 22:20
SosumiI find it hard to source amd boards at my local suplierNov 20 22:20
Sosumilet alone cpusNov 20 22:20
MinceRit's been a while since i bought a desktop-class pc, except for the one passively cooled atom-based nettopNov 20 22:20
Sosumiit's always intelNov 20 22:21
MinceR(pc being x86, so not counting the raspberry pi :> )Nov 20 22:21
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MinceRi chose my laptops on other basis than cpu brandNov 20 22:21
Sosumi:)Nov 20 22:22
Sosumiwell I choose mine in a matter of them being free or notNov 20 22:22
MinceRi wish i could find suchNov 20 22:23
msb__I always go with ASUS mobos and AMD CPUs -- not the highest ones but about at the 75% range, so much cheaper, and perceptually pretty much the same.Nov 20 22:23
Sosumiit's easy, just look for an old P3, P4 or early core 1 laptopsNov 20 22:24
Sosumiat some computer graveyeardNov 20 22:24
Sosumiif all you need is pdf/djvu reader and the ability to do some light document editingNov 20 22:25
Sosumithose are enough at least for meNov 20 22:25
MinceRi don't buy used, especially not mobile devicesNov 20 22:25
SosumiI don't eitherNov 20 22:25
Sosumithat's why I get them at those places, freeNov 20 22:26
MinceR:)Nov 20 22:26
MinceRi thought you meant free as in freedomNov 20 22:27
msb__Sosumi: How do these graveyards run if they don't take in any money?Nov 20 22:27
MinceRi'm guessing it's practically garbage disposalNov 20 22:27
SosumiyeahNov 20 22:27
Sosumiit's like thatNov 20 22:27
MinceRit's cheaper to have someone take it away and use it instead of shipping it to the landfillNov 20 22:27
MinceR(and taking out the dangerous materials, if any)Nov 20 22:27
Sosumiexactly thatNov 20 22:27
msb__Great!  If they can run Linux, give 'em to schoolkids.Nov 20 22:28
Sosumiwell ofc they can run linuxNov 20 22:29
Sosumibut that'd be a lot of hassle to doNov 20 22:29
Sosumiand the folks at those places don't really careNov 20 22:29
Sosumiabout seeing which ones are working or notNov 20 22:30
Sosumisome might take away parts, if they happen to be macsNov 20 22:30
Sosumiand sell them at some inflated priceNov 20 22:30
msb__So another level of folks have to get a large number of the same computers and load one distro of Linux onto all of them.Nov 20 22:31
msb__Little mammals eating the dinosaurs' eggs!Nov 20 22:31
Sosumi500€ for a gt 7300 in second handNov 20 22:31
Sosumilast time I lookedNov 20 22:32
Sosumistill 200€ cheaper than newNov 20 22:32
Sosumiwhich makes it almost as expensive as a gtx 780 tiNov 20 22:32
Sosumiand the gt 7800 was selling for 900€ second handNov 20 22:33
msb__Free sounds better than 500 euro.  (Where's the euro key?)Nov 20 22:33
Sosumiand a 2nd hand cpu+cooler assembly for the quad g5 was a 1000€ second handNov 20 22:34
Sosuminew it's 1999€Nov 20 22:34
Sosumieven after 8 years laterNov 20 22:34
Sosumiand those were all spares for the powermac g5 quad of late 2005Nov 20 22:35
Sosumithat I happen to see the pricesNov 20 22:35
msb__These are for immersion video games?Nov 20 22:35
Sosumi*happenedNov 20 22:35
Sosumidepends on what you mean by immersion and games (probabilities like in game theory)Nov 20 22:36
msb__My old dual-core AMD plays 1920x1080 x264 movies fine.Nov 20 22:36
Sosumibecause the cooler on the quad g5 and dual 2.7 tended to leakNov 20 22:36
Sosumiand to make the matters worse, the psu sitted right beneathNov 20 22:37
msb__Liquid helium?Nov 20 22:37
Sosumiso you could expect a big spark sometime, somewhere in the futureNov 20 22:37
Sosuminever happened to me on my quad g5Nov 20 22:37
Sosumibecause I was intelligent enough to replace the pumpNov 20 22:38
Sosumiand actually, modded it with new ringsNov 20 22:38
msb__Freon?Nov 20 22:39
Sosumiand also replaced the tube fixersNov 20 22:39
Sosumisince those were gaining rustNov 20 22:39
Sosumiapple quality :PNov 20 22:39
Sosumino, liquid coolingNov 20 22:39
msb__Right, but what liquid?Nov 20 22:40
SosumiI don't knowNov 20 22:40
Sosumiall I know is that it was liquid, light green and corrosiveNov 20 22:40
msb__Fluorocarbon refrigerants should be nonconductive.Nov 20 22:40
Sosumino but those were condutiveNov 20 22:41
msb__Yikes!Nov 20 22:41
msb__Maybe to make big profit from repairs.Nov 20 22:41
Sosumiand crapple had the cooler manufactured by panasonic and delphiNov 20 22:41
Sosumithe laster delphi were the most durableNov 20 22:42
SosumiyesNov 20 22:42
msb__Never bought an Apple, never will.  All hype at double the price.Nov 20 22:42
Sosumibecause when that happened you had to replace the PSU, the bottom panel since it would get corroded by the liquidNov 20 22:42
Sosumiand the entire fan, radiator assembly with the 2 cpusNov 20 22:43
Sosumiand that made it uber expensiveNov 20 22:43
msb__Damn, what a racket!Nov 20 22:43
Sosumibut sometimes the board would get some spillsNov 20 22:43
Sosumiand that meant a new board tooNov 20 22:43
Sosumihttp://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/G5_CoolantLeak_Repair/Crud-on-Heatsinks.jpgNov 20 22:44
msb__With (AMD) x86, everything is modular.  Choose the best mobo, CPU, RAM, disk(s) from various mfrs.  They all work together.Nov 20 22:45
Sosumiand even then, the liquid would currode the heatsinkNov 20 22:45
Sosumiand start cristalizing outsideNov 20 22:45
Sosumiapple quality should be considered like methNov 20 22:46
msb__Just get a new heatsink with a big fan -- about $25.  Bigger spacing between the fins so easier to blow out the dist.Nov 20 22:46
Sosuminot even onceNov 20 22:46
msb__dustNov 20 22:46
SosumiI know that, but you're also in an issue with watercooled pcsNov 20 22:46
Sosumiso after the g5 scares back in the day, always checking for leaks and what nots after dessiding to actually mod the thingNov 20 22:47
Sosumiwell it's still works but not thanks to crappleNov 20 22:47
msb__My mobo has some kind of heat pipe but it's completely sealed and no pump.Nov 20 22:48
Sosumiit's just a heatpipe for conducting heatNov 20 22:48
Sosumimy board also has thatNov 20 22:48
Sosumibut with a fan on the endNov 20 22:49
Sosumiin order to cool both voltage regulators and the southbridgeNov 20 22:49
msb__Right, out where there's more room for it.Nov 20 22:49
Sosumiroom? as in spacing on the mobo?Nov 20 22:49
msb__Yep.Nov 20 22:50
Sosumimy board, asus rampage IV E is quite denseNov 20 22:50
Sosumiplus they try to shove as much as they can in that pieceNov 20 22:51
msb__Electronics work best if close together.Nov 20 22:51
Sosumiit depends, analog stuff is affected by emf if not proper shieldedNov 20 22:52
msb__My asus m2n-e is probably 6 or 7 years old.  Crashes about once a month now.Nov 20 22:53
Sosumibut high density means complexity and that can end with problemsNov 20 22:53
Sosumibut we're not comparing that to watercooled cpus on a crapple powermac from 2005Nov 20 22:54
msb__Physical complexity for cooling, but shouldn't be any more complex electrically, maybe less.Nov 20 22:54
Sosumibut I've never had any crashesNov 20 22:54
Sosumiand this build is going to make a year next monthNov 20 22:55
msb__Don't know if it's the CPU, mobo, or RAM.Nov 20 22:55
Sosumido some stress testingNov 20 22:55
Sosumito check the ramNov 20 22:55
Sosumiand then the cpuNov 20 22:55
Sosumiif it crashes, well you know the issueNov 20 22:56
msb__I figure by now I can get a new computer for the same price and about 8X the speed, so I'm not sorry.Nov 20 22:56
msb__Yeah.Nov 20 22:56
Sosumior you can buy the buttplug pro :PNov 20 22:57
Sosumiand watch it cringe when you max both gpus and cpuNov 20 22:58
Sosumior just laugh when maxed 2009 (got 2) and 2010 models completly mop the floor with itNov 20 22:59
msb__Although if it only drops a bit once a month running 24/7, I don't know if stress testing will even find it.Nov 20 23:03
Sosumibut is it hardware crash?Nov 20 23:04
Sosumilike when doing something the computer just shutsNov 20 23:04
Sosumior it freezesNov 20 23:04
msb__The screen strobes rapidly and KDE3 crashes out to the KDM login screen.  So I cycle the power.Nov 20 23:05
msb__It's usually when I'm running Firefox, which I abuse severely, but I don't know if Firefox can crash Linux.  Maybe it can.  Actually, I think some of the crashes have frozen or rebooted the computer completely.Nov 20 23:07
msb__Once a month is still so infrequent that it doesn't bother me too much.Nov 20 23:08
SosumiI use firefox with kd4Nov 20 23:10
Sosumibut never found any issueNov 20 23:10
msb__Just takes half an hour or so to set up all 20 virtual desktops with the konsoles/mcs pointed at the right directories with the right sort order.  I should really hack on konsole and mc to store their states so I can automate that.Nov 20 23:10
Sosumican't you just write a script with all that?Nov 20 23:11
msb__Sometimes I work up to five or six FF windows with 30 tabs in each.  Nov 20 23:11
Sosumithat's a lotNov 20 23:12
msb__If I make them save all that state and be able to restore it, then I could.Nov 20 23:12
Sosumimax I have all the time is 3 with a crapload of tabsNov 20 23:12
Sosumibut not to the point of 30 tabs eachNov 20 23:12
Sosumithe most 20Nov 20 23:12
msb__FF has definitely gotten more stable over the years.Nov 20 23:12
Sosumifirefox as an option to open the windows from the last sessionNov 20 23:13
msb__Try 50 tabs!Nov 20 23:13
msb__Oh yes, I always use that!Nov 20 23:13
Sosumithen you should be coveredNov 20 23:14
msb__I need to figure out how to open a konsole in a particular virtual desktop.  I guess the desktop-pager code should reveal that.Nov 20 23:15
msb__Yes, firefox gradually uses more cpu and ram and crashes about once every 4 to 5 days.  But I just restart it and all the windows and tabs come back.Nov 20 23:16
msb__I save the state file and bookmarks file every time for safety.Nov 20 23:16
msb__FF crashing has nothing to do with the once-a-month Linux crash.Nov 20 23:17
SosumiI see, but don't worry, firefox keeps a backup file on your home folder with the bookmarksNov 20 23:17
Sosumihidden awayNov 20 23:18
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msb__I think I've seen that, but if their's doesn't work, mine will.Nov 20 23:19
Sosumithat's ok, redundancy :)Nov 20 23:28
MinceRgnNov 20 23:34
SosumiOECD says crisis had positive health effectsNov 20 23:40
Sosumion obesity?Nov 20 23:40
Sosumierradicating it? perhapsNov 20 23:41
MinceRmaybe via starvationNov 20 23:41
SosumiOECD to nurembergNov 20 23:41
MinceRcheap food tends to be unhealthful, afaikNov 20 23:41
Sosumihttp://www.tsf.pt/PaginaInicial/Portugal/Interior.aspx?content_id=3544194&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitterNov 20 23:41
TechrightsBot-trwww.tsf.pt | OCDE diz que crise também teve efeitos positivos sobre a saúde - TSF  [ http://ur1.ca/g2j6x ]Nov 20 23:42
Sosumiindeed, but don't tell that to herr goebbelsNov 20 23:42
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307452Nov 20 23:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/15/richard-stallman-letter/ http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/spouse-of-a-stratfor-client/Nov 20 23:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> venturebeat.com | Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence | VentureBeat  [ http://ur1.ca/g28on ]Nov 20 23:46
schestowitz"True credit may only be given by our big publishing masters. Unofficial narratives are terrorism."Nov 20 23:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | ‘Innocent Until Proven Guilty’ Becomes a Thing of the Past | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g28oo ]Nov 20 23:47
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3313662Nov 20 23:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Will a shot of Android be enough to save BlackBerry? http://www.zdnet.com/will-a-shot-of-android-be-enough-to-save-blackberry-7000023331/ #android #linux or #meego could save #nokiaNov 20 23:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.zdnet.com | Will a shot of Android be enough to save BlackBerry? | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2h4x ]Nov 20 23:47
schestowitz"My money's on an "ex" Microsoft employee being named their new CEO in about a year, and a couple of years later, after slashing out anything to do with Android, that they get bought out my aforementioned, Microsoft."Nov 20 23:47
schestowitzFor patents...Nov 20 23:47
Sosumistratfor, how much I love not theeNov 20 23:48
Sosumiwhen was it 2010?Nov 20 23:48
Sosumiplus the HB Gary pwnageNov 20 23:49
Sosumistill shameful that someone is going to prison for actually liberating some information out of themNov 20 23:51
Sosumiinstead of having to read the "junk" they put outNov 20 23:51
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUyMDENov 20 23:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] UEFI Makes It Easy To Boot Rust Applications  [ http://ur1.ca/g2jbo ]Nov 20 23:56
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306578Nov 21 00:54
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: "Android is approaching Windows-like domination of the smartphone industry" http://linuxgizmos.com/android-smartphone-market-share-exceeds-80-percent/Nov 21 00:54
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Android: the dog caught the car. Now what? ·  LinuxGizmos.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g2awp ]Nov 21 00:54
schestowitz"So, in your opinion Roy, who do you think has the best chance? Jolla sounds nice, but not if their interface or other cruicial pieces ends up being proprietary. Really, I'd rather something that can run stock standard Linux apps or at the very least HTML5 as a first class app citizen."Nov 21 00:54
schestowitzKDEsNov 21 00:54
schestowitzKDE Plasma...Nov 21 00:54
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schestowitzgmNov 21 09:49
iophkheyNov 21 09:49
iophkhttp://www.zdnet.com/of-penguins-and-tuxes-the-linux-foundations-holiday-membership-drive-7000023443/Nov 21 09:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.zdnet.com | Of penguins and Tuxes: The Linux Foundation's holiday membership drive | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2m5b ]Nov 21 09:58
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/microsoft-sues-patent-troll-saying-it-broke-contract-to-license-mobile-tech/Nov 21 10:06
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Microsoft sues patent troll, saying it broke contract to license mobile tech | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g2m7h ]Nov 21 10:06
iophkhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/21/us-usa-google-schmidt-idUSBRE9AK03D20131121Nov 21 10:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.reuters.com | Google's Schmidt predicts end of censorship within a decade | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/g2m87 ]Nov 21 10:10
iophkhttp://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/20/kim-dotcom-obama-tppNov 21 10:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.co.uk | Kim Dotcom: the TPP 'proves' that Wall St and Hollywood own Obama (Wired UK)  [ http://ur1.ca/g2maa ]Nov 21 10:21
schestowitzMinceR: http://ur1.ca/g2mazNov 21 10:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Steve Jobs: #Apple founder a sexist bully, a skinflint and a liar says Chrisann Brennan, former partner http://t.co/zsVd4ezLXx #cultNov 21 10:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.telegraph.co.uk | Steve Jobs: Apple founder a sexist bully, a skinflint and a liar says Chrisann Brennan, former partner - TelegraphNov 21 10:25
schestowitziophk: http://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3318254Nov 21 10:34
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | Has Bill Gates al...  [ http://ur1.ca/g2mcw ]Nov 21 10:34
schestowitzmaybe credibility loss will help them stopNov 21 10:34
iophkIt's possible.  Nov 21 10:34
iophkI notice about Jobs that the articles keep coming, though it has been a few years since his death.  There must be many tens of thousands of them by now.Nov 21 10:35
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/amazon-to-lawmakers-keep-the-internet-open-limit-copyright-excesses-131120/Nov 21 10:37
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Amazon to Lawmakers: Keep the Internet Open & Limit Copyright Excesses | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g2mdl ]Nov 21 10:37
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/t/data-management/devil-in-the-details-of-oracle-postgresql-migration-231163Nov 21 10:38
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Devil is in the details of Oracle-to-PostgreSQL migration | Data management - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g2mdp ]Nov 21 10:38
schestowitziophk: thives want to be seen as those who are having their ideas 'stolen'Nov 21 10:44
schestowitz Ask Steve JobsNov 21 10:44
schestowitzgates' recent buddyNov 21 10:44
schestowitzas of lateNov 21 10:44
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MinceRblow didn't need "closed doors" to be a bullyNov 21 11:23
iophkhttp://www.ibtimes.com/jfk-assassination-just-who-was-lee-harvey-oswald-1474038Nov 21 11:39
TechrightsBot-trwww.ibtimes.com | JFK Assassination: Just Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?  [ http://ur1.ca/g2mo2 ]Nov 21 11:39
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iophkold - http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/09/16/ibm-again-pledges-1-billion-to-a-linux-effort/Nov 21 11:57
TechrightsBot-trblogs.wsj.com | IBM Again Pledges $1 Billion to a Linux Effort - Digits - WSJ  [ http://ur1.ca/g2msk ]Nov 21 11:57
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iophkhttp://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-wikimedia-cease-desist-wikipr-20131120,0,4207911.storyNov 21 13:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.latimes.com | Wikimedia Foundation sends cease and desist letter to Wiki-PR - latimes.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nec ]Nov 21 13:58
iophk a followup on the sale of the headquarters : Nov 21 14:01
iophkhttp://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/nokia-leaving-the-building/Nov 21 14:01
TechrightsBot-trtechcrunch.com | Nokia’s Finland HQ To Become A Microsoft Site Next Year, After Devices & Services Sale  |  TechCrunch  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nf4 ]Nov 21 14:01
iophkkicked out of a building they once ownedNov 21 14:02
iophkperhaps even builtNov 21 14:04
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iophkhttp://www.renesys.com/2010/11/chinas-18-minute-mystery/Nov 21 14:22
iophkhttp://www.renesys.com/2013/11/mitm-internet-hijacking/Nov 21 14:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.renesys.com | China's 18-Minute Mystery - Renesys  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nj7 ]Nov 21 14:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.renesys.com | The New Threat: Targeted Internet Traffic Misdirection - Renesys  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nj8 ]Nov 21 14:22
iophk"since someone needs to pay for Microsoft's marketing campaigns, so why not you? "Nov 21 14:30
iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/21/microsoft_scroogled_store/Nov 21 14:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft: PAY US to wear and carry our anti-Google advertising merch • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nk9 ]Nov 21 14:30
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3318243Nov 21 14:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Kim Dotcom: the TPP 'proves' that Wall St and Hollywood own Obama http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/20/kim-dotcom-obama-tpp #obama and #biden bribed like CongressNov 21 14:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wired.co.uk | Kim Dotcom: the TPP 'proves' that Wall St and Hollywood own Obama (Wired UK)  [ http://ur1.ca/g2maa ]Nov 21 14:43
schestowitz"as if we needed proof"Nov 21 14:43
iophk"The US obviously has all the evidence they need to prosecute bankers. They just need to search their own spy database and then there you go -- 1,000 bankers in jail, a trillion dollars in fines. But it doesn't happen. "Nov 21 14:53
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schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20071023002351958Nov 21 15:34
TechrightsBot-trwww.groklaw.net | Groklaw - How to Get Your Platform Accepted as a Standard - Microsoft Style  [ http://ur1.ca/3ia92 ]Nov 21 15:34
schestowitz"Nov 21 15:34
schestowitzIt's important to keep in mind that tens of thousands of people are directly harmed by Microsoft's malice. 32,000 are people moving from one building to the other. That's a minor inconvenience but it gives us a scale outside of the millions of devices and billions of dollars of the business and software ruined. As is usual, "Victory" for Microsoft is the destruction of everything that's not Microsoft,Nov 21 15:34
schestowitzVictory. The developers, marketers, and managers of the competing technology give up the sinking ship, and interview for positions at Microsoft.Nov 21 15:34
schestowitz"Nov 21 15:34
schestowitziophk: URL?Nov 21 15:34
schestowitzFor the quiteNov 21 15:34
schestowitzquoteNov 21 15:34
iophkthe kimdotcom interviewNov 21 15:35
iophkaboveNov 21 15:35
schestowitztaNov 21 15:36
schestowitztweeterdNov 21 15:36
schestowitz*tedNov 21 15:36
iophkA trillion in fines would be a boost, putting a dent in the debt.Nov 21 15:37
iophkSo far the banskters have been subsidised.Nov 21 15:38
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3318264Nov 21 15:39
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google +++ http://img5.joyreactor.com/pics/post/csectioncomics-comics-youtube-feels-958395.jpegNov 21 15:39
schestowitz"Things that put Facebook in a positive light are probably Microsoft PR. What Google has done is wrong and it was probably a Microsoft executive that has the company acting this way. That does not mean there's a lack of force over at Facebook. In fact, Facebook used schools to grow which was a much greater extortion than a little bandwidth for a few videos.'Nov 21 15:39
schestowitziophk: i thought he low-bowled itNov 21 15:39
iophkCould be.Nov 21 15:40
schestowitzit can be several trillion, and as much as tendNov 21 15:40
schestowitzThey facilitate massive tax evasionNov 21 15:40
iophkUnderstatement for effect.Nov 21 15:40
schestowitzabout 32 trillion, based on a recent report from CanadaNov 21 15:40
schestowitzthew war does not lack moneyNov 21 15:40
schestowitzmoney can't be lackedNov 21 15:40
schestowitzit's disstribution of resourcesNov 21 15:40
iophkyesNov 21 15:40
iophkprioritizationNov 21 15:41
schestowitzclassic example is, super obese people in one country and dead babies (from hunger) in anotherNov 21 15:41
iophkdrone strikes on "militants" have a higher priorityNov 21 15:41
iophkhigh-fructose corn syrupNov 21 15:41
schestowitzto kee their heads downNov 21 15:41
schestowitzcontrol by fearNov 21 15:41
schestowitzor terrorismNov 21 15:41
schestowitzHere in Manchester I am more likely to hear anti-American hostility from a Brit than an Atab BritNov 21 15:42
schestowitzbecause Arab developed a sixths senseNov 21 15:42
schestowitzif they're seen as anti-American, then that automacially gets synonymous with "terror"Nov 21 15:42
schestowitzSo they're carefulNov 21 15:42
schestowitzOne guy i knew here and spoke a lot to came from AghanistanNov 21 15:43
schestowitzhis dead headed a socialist party in that nationNov 21 15:43
schestowitzand the UK paid him lots of money and gave him and his familty British passwordNov 21 15:43
schestowitz(portNov 21 15:43
schestowitzwhich killed his party, I guessNov 21 15:43
schestowitzUnderhanded tacticsNov 21 15:43
schestowitzYesterday I read in Wikipedia about LoasNov 21 15:44
schestowitzVery interestingNov 21 15:44
iophkLaos?Nov 21 15:44
schestowitzI guess it's clearer now why you'd never hard about that country and why the US bombed those nations by the thousands of tonsNov 21 15:44
schestowitzLaos is one nation I nevr hard about in the news, never met a person from there eitherNov 21 15:44
schestowitzLaos is big and has more citizens than Scandinavian countriesNov 21 15:45
iophkIt's a bunch of small countries / kingdomsNov 21 15:45
schestowitzPlus natural resourcesNov 21 15:45
schestowitzNow a Marxist nation led by military folksNov 21 15:45
schestowitzand not trhew US' military folks (thugs)Nov 21 15:45
schestowitzLike the same part of the hemisphere on the other side, Latin AmericanNov 21 15:46
schestowitzMillions of people in Vietnam killed by US intervention there, and for what?Nov 21 15:46
schestowitzJust for the idea that crap like TPP and US reaign by extension can take place in the whole regionNov 21 15:46
iophkWasn't Vietnam actually over a misunderstanding / misinterpretation?Nov 21 15:47
schestowitzMalaysia is strrting to sell out to the USNov 21 15:47
schestowitzTrying to be business-friendly to themNov 21 15:47
schestowitzIndonesia tooNov 21 15:47
iophkIndonesia is trouble.Nov 21 15:47
schestowitzBut Malaysia is close to leaving TPP talks..Nov 21 15:47
schestowitzVietnam was attacked based on flase pretextNov 21 15:47
schestowitzThe US media helped spread a lieNov 21 15:47
schestowitzAnd after lots of spraying of Monsanto chemicals they keep dyin gNov 21 15:48
iophkmisinterpretation / deliberate mininterpretation / lieNov 21 15:48
schestowitzMaybe 3 million dead now, but who counts? It's hard to count in long-term effectsNov 21 15:48
iophkcontaminated monsanto chemicalsNov 21 15:48
schestowitzmisinterpretation is the wrong termNov 21 15:48
schestowitzit implies the US misinterpreted somethingNov 21 15:48
iophktwo poisons for the price of oneNov 21 15:48
schestowitzLike pretending to confuse itselfNov 21 15:48
schestowitzand then saying, "oops, sorry, must have been a mistake'Nov 21 15:49
iophkdioxins for the people and long-term, agent-orange for the short-term and vegetationNov 21 15:49
schestowitzI think the slaugher in Vietnam is the US' biggestNov 21 15:49
schestowitzAnd now there's lots of news which helps support the theory abotu JFK getting taken out by CIA or its ilkNov 21 15:49
schestowitzHe planned to shut down or cut down the CIANov 21 15:49
schestowitzPerhaps they took him downNov 21 15:50
iophkpossible, but all the people are long goneNov 21 15:50
schestowitz!google fiery car crash article about cia chiefNov 21 15:50
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Journalist Michael Hastings Was Investigating CIA Director at Time ... | http://www.globalresearch.ca/journalist-michael-hastings-was-investigating-cia-director-at-time-of-deadly-crash/5346028Nov 21 15:50
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Journalist Michael Hastings Was Investigating CIA Director John ... | http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/13/journalist-michael-hastings-was-investigating-cia-director-john-brennan-before-he-was-killed-in-fiery-car-crash/Nov 21 15:50
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Journalist Michael Hastings was investigating CIA director at time of ... | http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/08/16/hast-a16.htmlNov 21 15:50
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Renowned investigative journalist Michael Hastings was working on ... | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2394278/Renowned-investigative-journalist-Michael-Hastings-working-story-CIA-Chief-John-Brennan-time-mysterious-death.htmlNov 21 15:50
iophksome records were never kept, others are still secretNov 21 15:50
schestowitzif soome are still secrets, then it won't help denialNov 21 15:51
schestowitzif anything, it serves to show what they would rather keep in "doubt" statusNov 21 15:51
schestowitz!google david kelly mi5 sealed 70 yearsNov 21 15:51
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Doctors claim cover-up over death of weapons expert Dr David Kelly ... | http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/doctors-claim-coverup-over-death-of-weapons-expert-dr-david-kelly-29426678.htmlNov 21 15:51
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Why I believe sinking of Belgrano made MI5 murder my crusading ... | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2371611/Why-I-believe-sinking-Belgrano-MI5-murder-crusading-aunt-A-death-surrounded-dark-coincidences-disturbing-belief-intelligence-chief-helped-mastermind-Falklands-campaign.htmlNov 21 15:51
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - MI5 spied on his sex sessions with Monica | Mail Online - Daily Mail | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-61501/MI5-spied-sex-sessions-Monica.htmlNov 21 15:51
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - JUDITH MILLER AND DR DAVID KELLY AND THE MISSING IRAQI ... | http://judithmilleranddrdavidkellyandwmd.blogspot.com/Nov 21 15:51
schestowitzI'd be dead when they fiinally release material about it, and that material is not necessarily factual, they could easily gabricate it by then... if anyone is still alive to even care about the declassificationNov 21 15:52
schestowitzOr demand itNov 21 15:52
schestowitzNo relatives of dead Iraquies leftNov 21 15:53
iophkthat may be their point with the JFK filesNov 21 15:53
iophkit will be harder in the future if M$ is still around.  There can be M$-induced data losses.Nov 21 15:53
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3318230Nov 21 15:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google to sell anti-Microsoft mugs http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/google-sell-anti-microsoft-mugs/16638 #google #microsoft #satireNov 21 15:54
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.muktware.com | Google to sell anti-Microsoft mugs - Muktware  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nm6 ]Nov 21 15:54
schestowitz"Yes, there's a satire tag in the comment. Muktware is making fun of Microsoft."Nov 21 15:54
schestowitziophk: there's no business model to keeping itNov 21 15:54
iophkMuktware is promoting M$ at the same time.Nov 21 15:54
schestowitzGoogle is at least making attempts to keeo data aroundNov 21 15:54
schestowitzDejaNews/SUENET, Cache..Nov 21 15:54
iophkYes, Google's model seems based on keeping it.Nov 21 15:54
iophk!google opensuse microsoftNov 21 15:55
schestowitzMicrosogft keeps 'innovating' office formats that deliberately break what predecessing versions produceNov 21 15:55
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - The Microsoft SUSE Alliance Website | https://www.moreinterop.com/Nov 21 15:55
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - openSUSE:Novell involvement - openSUSE | http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Novell_involvementNov 21 15:55
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Microsoft and SUSE extend Microsoft's controversial Novell Linux ... | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-and-suse-extend-microsofts-controversial-novell-linux-pact/10164Nov 21 15:55
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - SUSE & Microsoft | SUSE Alliance | https://www.suse.com/partners/alliance-partners/microsoft/Nov 21 15:55
iophkTR is a little further down that list.Nov 21 15:55
schestowitz4 out of 3 are MS/Novell sitesNov 21 15:55
schestowitzEither or bothNov 21 15:55
iophkYep.  M$ is good at spam.Nov 21 15:55
schestowitzmoreinterop is their siteNov 21 15:55
schestowitzset up by MS IIRCNov 21 15:55
schestowitzAnd Novell says "oook...."Nov 21 15:56
iophkThey may have inside help in Google though.Nov 21 15:56
schestowitzIt's Microsoft that makes money from those deals it tried to lure PHBs intoNov 21 15:56
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3318203Nov 21 15:56
schestowitz"It's funny, he expects things from Microsoft to work."Nov 21 15:56
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Word processors are no longer central to the computing experience" http://readwrite.com/2013/06/06/the-state-of-the-word-processor-html-compatibilityNov 21 15:56
TechrightsBot-tr-> readwrite.com | The State Of The Word Processor: HTML Compatibility – ReadWrite  [ http://ur1.ca/g2o2j ]Nov 21 15:56
schestowitz"It's funny, he expects things from Microsoft to work."http://www.tophosts.com/godaddy-revamps-linux-web-hosting-cpanel-whmNov 21 15:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.tophosts.com | GoDaddy Revamps Linux Web Hosting with cPanel & WHM - TopHosts  [ http://ur1.ca/g2o35 ]Nov 21 15:59
schestowitzf*  godaddyNov 21 15:59
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iophkhttp://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/524163/20131121/mcdonalds-advice-employees-mcresources-website-sell-possessions.htmNov 21 16:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.ibtimes.co.uk | McDonald's Tells Workers: Eat Less and Sell Your Christmas Presents - IBTimes UK  [ http://ur1.ca/g2o6d ]Nov 21 16:15
schestowitz"Unfortunately, using music doesn't really seem to be an option. I just don't think Richard Stallman singing his Free Software Song is going to get my three-year-old daughter interested in Linux."Nov 21 16:41
schestowitzBryan KEEPS attacking RMSNov 21 16:41
schestowitzand of course IDG lets him have aplatformNov 21 16:41
schestowitzTheir only 'FOSS' platformNov 21 16:41
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/node/84309Nov 21 16:41
schestowitzIDG isa  shamNov 21 16:41
TechrightsBot-trwww.networkworld.com | How to introduce Linux to your little kid  [ http://ur1.ca/g2oc5 ]Nov 21 16:41
schestowitzso many FOSS-hostile articleNov 21 16:42
schestowitzeven in their so-called 'FOSS' sectiondNov 21 16:42
iophkanti-FOSS sectionNov 21 16:46
iophkit's probably intentional.  Lure in people who don't know better about the magazine but want to learn about FOSS and then turn them off with a stream of negative articles.  Nov 21 17:06
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3319399Nov 21 17:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Ouya goes white with new limited edition, more expensive microconsole http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/18/5117704/ouya-limited-edition-white-console powered by #linux of courseNov 21 17:35
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theverge.com | Ouya goes white with new limited edition, more expensive microconsole | The Verge  [ http://ur1.ca/g2ooe ]Nov 21 17:35
schestowitz"Only problem is that they have a mob of angry funders on kickstarter.com and apparently not a good record of taking care of those people. Also if those funders are any indication, their hardware is iffy at best and their policies regarding "forced software upgrades" are worse than Apple's."Nov 21 17:35
schestowitziophk: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403576573624078337 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403577153549529088Nov 21 17:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Not covering propitiatory software news isn't a mater of discrimination; it's a matter of covering what's future-proof, not a dying legacy.Nov 21 17:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Nobody deserves as much credit for shrewdly-disguised anti-FOSS venom as ZDNet/CNET (CBS) and *World (IDG). Tech disinformation channels.Nov 21 17:35
iophkyepNov 21 17:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403577697580118016Nov 21 17:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: If we were to believe IDG and CBS (PR disguised as news, for clients), #microsoft and #nokia would not dominate phones and #vista8 rock!Nov 21 17:37
schestowitz*nowNov 21 17:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403578586638352384Nov 21 17:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How long before Dice (Slashdot/SourceForce) gets acquired and officially b0rgassimilated by a media conglomerate like CNET/Download.com was?Nov 21 17:40
iophkIt is already on the way.Nov 21 17:42
iophkLots of PR for M$ staff and projects.  Stuff that would have never been published in years past.Nov 21 17:42
schestowitzand MS softwareNov 21 17:45
schestowitzbound to GIMP and such..Nov 21 17:45
schestowitzin downloadNov 21 17:45
schestowitzvery CNET-likeNov 21 17:45
schestowitzverging on malwareNov 21 17:46
DaemonFCshared a link.Nov 21 19:05
DaemonFC2 seconds agoNov 21 19:05
DaemonFChttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/21/graphene-condom-safe-sex-bill-gatesNov 21 19:05
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Safe sex needed a new hero – enter Bill Gates and his graphene condom | Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett | Comment is free | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pbt ]Nov 21 19:05
DaemonFCI hope the graphene ones are more pleasant to use than the latex ones. They should be. I've heard that they'll only be one atom thick. They'll also be pretty much 100% tear-proof. Latex isn't awful about that, but approximately 1-2% have broken in my experience, and it leaves you wondering. If they could eliminate that, that would be awesome.Nov 21 19:05
DaemonFCI've actually heard people say that condoms aren't so bad. I hate them.Nov 21 19:06
DaemonFCI get those "super thin" ones. Those are a little better.Nov 21 19:06
Sosumiyada yada, I thought we were eunuchsNov 21 19:09
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iophkIt made the mainstream media: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/lg-claim-smart-tvs-grab-user-data-20959981Nov 21 19:10
TechrightsBot-trabcnews.go.com | LG Looking Into Claim Smart TVs Grab User Data - ABC News  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pd1 ]Nov 21 19:10
Sosuminot just LG and "smart tvs" do grab info of user's habitsNov 21 19:12
Sosumibut so do those "smart" dvd/blu ray playersNov 21 19:13
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Sosumias well video game consoles and tv provider boxesNov 21 19:13
Sosumialso with the new xbox, better not have sex on couch, M$/NSA may be watchingNov 21 19:14
Sosumisince kinect's microfone is ketp on all the timeNov 21 19:14
Sosumiactually it's nothing new,Nov 21 19:16
Sosumisince the ps3 transmitted stuff unencrypted, including credit card info and login credentials,Nov 21 19:17
Sosumithat it also sent all the info about your tv and receiver as well geo location, internet speed...Nov 21 19:17
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/lg-smart-tv-snooping-extends-to-home-networks-second-blogger-says/Nov 21 19:39
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | LG smart TV snooping extends to home networks, second blogger says | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pk8 ]Nov 21 19:39
Sosumisurprised? I'm notNov 21 19:39
Sosumisony does the same with their smart blu ray playersNov 21 19:40
Sosumiwathever their definition of "smart" isNov 21 19:40
Sosumiactually it should be replaced by snoopNov 21 19:40
iophkWhether "smart" phone or tv, the result is about the same it seems.Nov 21 19:42
Sosumiyou sir deserve a bottle of my best vodka for getting it :PNov 21 19:47
Sosumiwhen it says "smart" it means snoopNov 21 19:47
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306032Nov 21 19:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-sailfish-os-phone-november-27-release/ #jolla #linux #nokia #meegoNov 21 19:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.digitaltrends.com | Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 | Digital Trends  [ http://ur1.ca/g23w8 ]Nov 21 19:51
schestowitz"I think Im going to be disappointed with the licensing, but I ordered it already. Its still a step forward... Right? Please say it is."Nov 21 19:51
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3319315Nov 21 19:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Valve—It Really Does Love Linux http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/valve%E2%80%94it-really-does-love-linux #valve #steam #gnu #linux #gamesNov 21 19:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxjournal.com | Valve—It Really Does Love Linux | Linux Journal  [ http://ur1.ca/g2po0 ]Nov 21 19:53
schestowitz"I'm still waiting for a moment when Steam will not close itself after closing any Steam window with WM meanings."Nov 21 19:53
schestowitzon Jolla: "I hope they'll open up the UI and applications. They were ambiguous about future plans. You can always install fully open Nemo Mobile, and this would be the best device for it, since it's based on the same middleware."Nov 21 19:53
DaemonFChared a link via AlterNet.Nov 21 19:53
DaemonFC7 seconds agoNov 21 19:53
DaemonFCIt's like McDonalds is playing "Can you top this?" Soulless Mega-corporation Edition.Nov 21 19:53
DaemonFCNot even Walmart is that bad. Even Walmart stops after they hand you the paper telling you how to apply for Medicaid and Food Stamps.Nov 21 19:53
DaemonFChttp://www.alternet.org/labor/more-heartless-advice-mcdonalds-employees-sell-your-christmas-giftsNov 21 19:53
TechrightsBot-trwww.alternet.org | More Heartless Advice from McDonald's to  Employees: Sell Your Christmas Gifts | Alternet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pob ]Nov 21 19:54
schestowitziophk: and smart bombsNov 21 19:54
schestowitzthe "smart" is marketing termNov 21 19:54
schestowitzto help adoptionNov 21 19:54
schestowitzsmart bombs are very powerfulNov 21 19:55
schestowitznot preciseNov 21 19:55
schestowitzor smartNov 21 19:55
schestowitzyou can't see who's inside a house for exampleNov 21 19:55
schestowitzbut the legend of "smart" lives onNov 21 19:55
schestowitzif the explosion is big enough, bodies are damaged enough to be in-recognisable, hence "militant"Nov 21 19:56
iophkI suspect that the accuracy of the munitions is exaggerated.Nov 21 19:58
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3320034Nov 21 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Goodbye Mageia 2 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Goodbye-Mageia-2-402310.shtmlNov 21 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.softpedia.com | Goodbye Mageia 2  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pph ]Nov 21 19:58
schestowitz"Hello Mageia 3 and its beta 4!"Nov 21 19:58
DaemonFCYou should laminate your Social Security card. Thanks to the government's security theater (Social Security numbers were never designed to be secure) that's going on, you can only request a few replacements during your entire lifetime. In the meantime, the fucking credit bureaus are selling it to the criminals at the same time they're selling you "protection" (no criminal prosecutions over this), and Comcast demands that you give it to Nov 21 19:59
DaemonFCprisoners and people in foreign countries (their call centers) before you can sign up for internet access. Can anyone tell me that they're confident that their identity is secure? The only way to be safe from that is to ruin your own credit rating before the criminals get to it.Nov 21 20:00
DaemonFCa few seconds ago Nov 21 20:00
iophkhttp://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2156271,00.htmlNov 21 20:14
TechrightsBot-trcontent.time.com | The Secret Web: Where Drugs, Porn and Murder Live Online  - TIME  [ http://ur1.ca/g2psv ]Nov 21 20:14
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iophkproblem in AUNov 21 20:39
iophkhttp://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/it-pro/business-it/microsoft-wins-spot-in-school-curriculum-20131120-hv3n3.htmlNov 21 20:39
TechrightsBot-trwww.brisbanetimes.com.au | Microsoft wins spot in school curriculum  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pxb ]Nov 21 20:39
Sosumihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ILbUduwBkgNov 21 20:49
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Pick a Bale of Cotton - Lonnie Donegan - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pzf ]Nov 21 20:49
Sosumiwelcome to the plantation *cough* macdonaldsNov 21 20:49
iophkdigital anthrax for Brisbane thereNov 21 20:50
Sosumiand poortugal's debt to gdp predicted to be lower than 100% by 2025Nov 21 20:58
Sosumithey say ofc :)Nov 21 20:59
Sosumias for me it's the lost half decadeNov 21 20:59
Sosumi*centuryNov 21 20:59
Sosumi50 years just went of the windowNov 21 20:59
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Sosumiand when that time passes, I'll be 74 :(Nov 21 21:01
Sosumiand some of the folks here'll be deadNov 21 21:01
Sosumi:((((Nov 21 21:01
Sosumilet alone those that die in the middle thx to austerityNov 21 21:02
Sosumihey, OECD just said that the crisis was having positive effects on healthNov 21 21:02
Sosumiyeah, folks get to walk around leanerNov 21 21:02
Sosumibecause they don't have as much to buy foodNov 21 21:03
Sosumito nuremberg with the OECD and austerity goonsNov 21 21:04
Sosumibecause they're justifying the "final solution" on the middle class and poorNov 21 21:05
Sosumiin a sense it's class warfareNov 21 21:05
Sosumiplayed on the socio-darwinian model coupled with malthusian demagogyNov 21 21:06
MinceRgnNov 21 22:39
Sosumihttp://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsicnoticias.sapo.pt%2FLusa%2F2013%2F11%2F21%2Fpolicias-em-protesto-rompem-barreira-e-sobem-escadaria-da-assembleia-da-republica1Nov 21 22:55
TechrightsBot-trtranslate.google.com | Google Translate  [ http://ur1.ca/g2qhs ]Nov 21 22:55
SosumiPolice break up protest in barrier and climb stairs of Portuguese ParliamentNov 21 22:55
Sosumiyeah you're reading it rightNov 21 22:55
Sosumithey broke the barricade and went up the stairsNov 21 22:57
Sosumiwhat'll be next resignated cop vs compliant copNov 21 22:58
DaemonFCshared a link via Daily Kos.Nov 22 00:47
DaemonFC6 seconds agoNov 22 00:47
DaemonFC"We can save the science fiction reading for later." -George CarlinNov 22 00:47
DaemonFChttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/21/1257374/-Costco-labels-Bible-as-fiction-in-this-store-Pastor-goes-viral-for-wrong-reason?detail=facebookNov 22 00:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.dailykos.com | Daily Kos: Costco labels Bible as fiction in this store. Pastor goes viral for wrong reason.  [ http://ur1.ca/g2qwf ]Nov 22 00:47
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osOhBDl_9uINov 22 02:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | WALMART'S FOOD DRIVE - Tell Walmart: Decent Pay, Not Hand Outs - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g2rbp ]Nov 22 02:44
DaemonFCIt's nice to see the MSM paying attention to this.Nov 22 02:44
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3319080Nov 22 03:18
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft bribes for #astroturf http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/21/microsoft_scroogled_store/Nov 22 03:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft touts SCROOGLE merch: Hopes YOU'LL PAY to dump on rival • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nk9 ]Nov 22 03:18
schestowitz"Microsuck does not has an iota of shame, really."Nov 22 03:18
DaemonFC[23:13] <DaemonFC> Here's an idea.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFC[23:14] <DaemonFC> Use the money from selling weed to fund universal healthcare.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFC[23:14] <DaemonFC> It would also drive the cost of healthcare down because it would make antidepressants and pain killers largely unnecessary.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFC[23:15] <DaemonFC> I know someone who works in advertising. I asked him why the hell they advertise things like antidepressants, pain pills, and HIV medication.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFC[23:15] <DaemonFC> People who are depressed already consume antidepressants.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFC[23:15] <DaemonFC> People with chronic pain are already consuming pain pills.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFC[23:15] <DaemonFC> People with HIV are already consuming anti-retroviral drugs.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFC[23:16] <DaemonFC> He said that the point of the advertising was not to get customers, it was to influence the news that was being reported.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFC[23:16] <DaemonFC> If you're a major customer for the advertising slots on the news channels and websites, they won't write negative stories about you because they don't want to lose that money.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IKE2lCoNqYNov 22 05:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Miley Cyrus - Wrecking Ball PARODY - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g2ry9 ]Nov 22 05:35
DaemonFC:)Nov 22 05:35
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQFO__JpTqcNov 22 05:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | PROPOSING TO MY GIRLFRIEND! - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g2rzp ]Nov 22 05:50
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iophkhttp://www.howtogeek.com/172987/revive-your-old-pc-the-3-best-linux-systems-for-old-computers/Nov 22 08:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.howtogeek.com | Revive Your Old PC: The 3 Best Linux Systems For Old Computers  [ http://ur1.ca/g2sfr ]Nov 22 08:03
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-gets-observer-status-at-world-trade-organization-131121/Nov 22 09:19
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Pirate Party Gets Observer Status at World Trade Organization | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g2n86 ]Nov 22 09:19
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MinceRgeekingsNov 22 09:24
iophk" the 2008 Beijing games are believed to have cost around $40 billion"Nov 22 09:34
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/ioc-demands-2014-olympics-piracy-takedowns-blocks-within-minutes-131121/Nov 22 09:34
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | IOC Demands 2014 Olympics Piracy Takedowns & Blocks “Within Minutes” | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g2syu ]Nov 22 09:34
iophkwhat a wasteNov 22 09:34
MinceRindeedNov 22 09:35
iophkwhich is it, DRM or privacy?  http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/22/tim-berners-lee-internet-privacy-surveillance-censorshipNov 22 09:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Tim Berners-Lee: UK and US must do more to protect internet users' privacy | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g2sz4 ]Nov 22 09:35
iophk$40 billion to see who runs in a circle the bestNov 22 09:35
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/jailbreak-phone-go-jail-copyright-law-the-tpp-way-231331Nov 22 09:43
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Jailbreak a phone, go to jail: Copyright law, the TPP way | Cringely - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g2t17 ]Nov 22 09:43
MinceRi wonder if the IOC gets government funding for its bullshitNov 22 10:40
iophkMaybe.  It helps create a little zone with heavy surveillance and defacto martial law.Nov 22 10:43
iophkBut otherwise it seems a money pit filled by government money.Nov 22 10:54
iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2308652/tim-berners-lee-warns-against-government-surveillanceNov 22 10:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Tim Berners-Lee warns against government surveillance- The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/g2tix ]Nov 22 10:59
MinceRwho will warn tbl against DRM?Nov 22 11:00
iophkDRM and freedom from surveillance don't really go together.Nov 22 11:00
roy_https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/403845575344263168Nov 22 11:30
TechrightsBot-tr@_Goblin: @schestowitz Hi! I can't log in to your site...may be an issue your end.  Changed my password but after login merely shows me as logged out.Nov 22 11:30
roy_https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/403845629241069568Nov 22 11:30
TechrightsBot-tr@_Goblin: @schestowitz I wanted to make comment on the above article.Nov 22 11:30
roy_I can try to reset the passwordNov 22 11:32
roy_https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/403848565497159682Nov 22 11:36
TechrightsBot-tr@_Goblin: @schestowitz I did that and now I've signed up again on the front page pending approval.Nov 22 11:36
roy_Drupal side or WordPress? The Wiki too has separate login (LDAP not used there)Nov 22 11:37
roy_https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/403850994817056768Nov 22 11:57
TechrightsBot-tr@_Goblin: @schestowitz I reset the password Wordpress and created a new account drupal side..Nov 22 11:57
roy_I'll approve th drupal account; getting about 100 reqs per day, all spammersNov 22 11:58
roy_done, approved (first approval ever)Nov 22 12:01
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roy_https://twitter.com/JorgeStolfi/status/403858503124545537Nov 22 12:15
TechrightsBot-tr@JorgeStolfi: Novell, Yahoo e Nokia, três exemplos da Microsoft infiltrando empresas para devorá-las: http://t.co/qjMIzDTNOY [v @schestowitz]Nov 22 12:15
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The Danger of Microsoft Moles Still Largely Underestimated | TechrightsNov 22 12:15
roy_https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/403860562985353216Nov 22 12:41
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz it harms people as well as marketsNov 22 12:41
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roy_https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/403922675484991489Nov 22 16:50
TechrightsBot-tr@_Goblin: @schestowitz cheers mate!  At least I can have some input in your articles (Its about all I have time for!) ...BTW Techbytes show is great!Nov 22 16:50
roy_still waitingf for the Goblin to record..Nov 22 16:50
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roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403828065740259328Nov 22 17:23
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Splitting Companies  http://t.co/mSJ4pk2H92 #rms #fsf #gnu #antitrust #microsoftNov 22 17:23
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Richard Stallman on Splitting Companies | TechrightsNov 22 17:23
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403828547439329281Nov 22 17:23
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: MATE to make it into Debian repositories http://t.co/GKrLHdyLYr #mate #debianNov 22 17:23
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.muktware.com | MATE to make it into Debian repositories - MuktwareNov 22 17:23
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403843830283517952Nov 22 17:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Microsoft Windows is a Trojan Horse for the NSA  http://t.co/GXq0E8W6EC #nsa #microsoft #windows #espionage #russia #iranNov 22 17:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Microsoft Windows is a Trojan Horse for the NSA | TechrightsNov 22 17:26
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403850893676015616Nov 22 17:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Danger of Microsoft Moles Still Largely Underestimated http://t.co/FRPukiDPPn #nokia #vmware #linuxfoundation #foss #blackduckNov 22 17:26
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403859199022886912Nov 22 17:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Microsoft’s Corruption of Schools: Using the State to Train/Indoctrinate Children  http://t.co/oKTONSx3kO #education #microsoft #australiaNov 22 17:26
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403935863572533248Nov 22 17:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Microsoft’s Corruption of Schools: Using the State to Train/Indoctrinate Children | TechrightsNov 22 17:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Microsoft Takes #AstroTurfing to New Levels, Co-opting Grassroots and Bribing People http://t.co/v8qYjksdxZ #microsoftNov 22 17:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Microsoft Takes AstroTurfing to New Levels, Co-opting Grassroots and Bribing People | TechrightsNov 22 17:27
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sebsebsebiophk: MinceR yep it's outNov 22 18:41
iophk!google opensuse microsoftNov 22 18:42
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - The Microsoft SUSE Alliance Website | https://www.moreinterop.com/Nov 22 18:42
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - openSUSE:Novell involvement - openSUSE | http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Novell_involvementNov 22 18:42
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - SDB:TrueType - openSUSE | http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:TrueTypeNov 22 18:42
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - SUSE & Microsoft | SUSE Alliance | https://www.suse.com/partners/alliance-partners/microsoft/Nov 22 18:42
sebsebsebiophk: they don't care about thatNov 22 18:42
iophkThey better.Nov 22 18:42
sebsebsebiophk: they dont' care abot putting SKype on the remasters and Flash and all that to, as far as I knowNov 22 18:42
sebsebsebiophk: there were some isses yesterday to, which resulted in not getting to the meeting, since travel issues, which probably didn't really help  me get this inNov 22 18:43
iophknot being there = game overNov 22 18:45
sebsebsebiophk: hm  Suse alliance linNov 22 18:46
sebsebsebiophk: I thik even if I had been there, they would have out votedNov 22 18:46
sebsebsebiophk: oh and yeah having a Grub theme  got acceptedNov 22 18:47
sebsebsebso I guess they may want to hteme more than just thatNov 22 18:47
sebsebsebthe default background etcNov 22 18:48
sebsebsebiophk: yep all the distros except for mine, and no cut down as wellNov 22 18:50
sebsebsebso much for trying to do an inclusive propsal aye etc?Nov 22 18:51
sebsebsebno GNOME 3 Shell this means as well, but Unity is inNov 22 18:51
sebsebsebiophk: ,but life goes on etcNov 22 18:52
iophkyepNov 22 18:52
iophknow what about that installfest instead?Nov 22 18:52
sebsebsebI don't think any of them have used this distro anywayNov 22 18:52
sebsebsebiophk: I had the hardest sale really,  that distro, plus GNOME, and meaning all fourNov 22 18:52
sebsebsebwhen they only really wanted 2 or 3Nov 22 18:53
sebsebsebiophk: by doing propals for all four optoins I  think if I had  been there or not, I would have been out votedNov 22 18:53
sebsebsebstill my idea was a nice idea, two WIndow like interfaces, and two something elses'sNov 22 18:54
sebsebsebiophk: to late to try and orgnaise an in stall fest, wn't get any volunteers for a seperate event now as wellNov 22 18:54
sebsebsebI expectNov 22 18:54
sebsebsebit's this or nothingNov 22 18:54
schestowitzhttp://blog.campact.de/2013/11/welcome-to-germany-edward-snowden/Nov 22 18:55
TechrightsBot-trblog.campact.de | Welcome to Germany, Edward Snowden! | Campact Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/g2wl0 ]Nov 22 18:55
sebsebsebiophk: they want to pre install loads of stuff and do a theme,  it's more about  trying to get people off Windows, and adveritsing the LUGNov 22 18:56
sebsebsebiophk: than advertising the actsual interfaces or ditro's that are usedNov 22 18:56
sebsebsebiophk: hmm maybe I should have put proposals in earier or tried to as wellNov 22 19:10
iophkyes, much earlierNov 22 19:10
sebsebsebor  if there's a next timeNov 22 19:10
sebsebsebI had issues wit the whole systemNov 22 19:11
sebsebsebhow he wnated things done, but if this is done again, I know the  way to do thingsNov 22 19:11
sebsebsebiophk: the one I thought would winNov 22 19:11
sebsebsebwon Nov 22 19:11
sebsebsebthe proposalNov 22 19:11
sebsebsebaltough they decided no cut down vrsionNov 22 19:11
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hinojosaHello Dr. schestowitz - are you about?Nov 22 19:39
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_GoblinBonjour!Nov 22 19:45
_Goblinand silence is golden...... I wonder...where's everyone gone?Nov 22 19:47
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_GoblinI think I'll try again later... :(Nov 22 19:49
_GoblinOh and hi Bilkie (when you read this)...hope everythings good.....Nov 22 19:50
MinceRhayNov 22 19:51
_Goblin:)Nov 22 20:01
_Goblinhi there!Nov 22 20:01
_Goblinhows things going?Nov 22 20:01
MinceRnot wellNov 22 20:04
MinceRthe public transport system of budapest is failingNov 22 20:04
_Goblinoh dear...Nov 22 20:07
_Goblincan't be any worse than the UKNov 22 20:07
MinceRdo they maintain the vehicles in the UK?Nov 22 20:12
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3322150Nov 22 20:14
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: MATE to make it into Debian repositories http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/mate-make-debian-repositories/16683 #mate #debianNov 22 20:14
schestowitzhinojosa: hiNov 22 20:14
schestowitz"@Сорокин Алексей - true, BUT ... they don't provide me with anything I can't achieve already it's kinda against the idea of using the basic WM, like i3/Openbox, whatever ;) But I DO APPRECIATE the fact that there will be even more choice. Actually, I find Nautilus/Nemo to be quite a good file manager, even though I usually use Thunar [got many scripts written around it. Would be hard to find good alternative]."Nov 22 20:15
MinceRwhen will xfce make it into the default gui install?Nov 22 20:15
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 500 @ http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/mate-make-debian-repositories/16683 )Nov 22 20:15
schestowitz_Goblin: which of the linsux ilk did you say lived around you?Nov 22 20:15
schestowitzI thought it was Sean Tilley until I realised he's actually USianNov 22 20:16
schestowitz"Nov 22 20:16
schestowitz@derrick, not everyone wants to live with Xfce.Nov 22 20:16
schestowitzAlso not everyone uses MATE only because they get used to GNOME 2. I didn't use GNOME 2, came to MATE from KDE.Nov 22 20:16
hinojosaDr. schestowitz - Hello. I am looking to get access to the Tux Machines site - is that possible?Nov 22 20:16
schestowitz"Nov 22 20:16
schestowitzaccess in what sense? User account?Nov 22 20:17
schestowitzSpammers rendered that feature dead a year agoNov 22 20:17
hinojosayes. If there is a way to register on the site, I'm not seeing it.Nov 22 20:17
hinojosaha.Nov 22 20:17
hinojosaspammers.Nov 22 20:17
schestowitzI can set up an account for youNov 22 20:17
hinojosarather, "damn spammers"Nov 22 20:17
schestowitzIM me your username/password of choiceNov 22 20:17
hinojosaexcellent - that would be appreciated.Nov 22 20:17
schestowitzSame issue in techrights BTWNov 22 20:17
schestowitzand wordpress side too, not just drupal and wikiNov 22 20:18
schestowitzWordPress still allows people to sub/registerNov 22 20:18
schestowitzand it works better against spamNov 22 20:18
hinojosanice.Nov 22 20:18
schestowitzwith drupal the spammers have wonNov 22 20:18
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307452Nov 22 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/15/richard-stallman-letter/ http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/spouse-of-a-stratfor-client/Nov 22 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> venturebeat.com | Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence | VentureBeat  [ http://ur1.ca/g28on ]Nov 22 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | ‘Innocent Until Proven Guilty’ Becomes a Thing of the Past | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g28oo ]Nov 22 20:18
schestowitz"That's their idea, but if we keep the Internet neutral and progressively more open and free, there're also chances to keep freed the information, and to counter their brainwashing."Nov 22 20:18
_Goblinschestowitz, I can't remember now...Nov 22 20:19
hinojosaAs you may have noticed form my whois data, I'm from SourceForge - I'm the community managerNov 22 20:19
_Goblinschestowitz, this is going back to around 2008Nov 22 20:19
hinojosaI noticed you syndicated the FossForge article and I wanted to see the commentary thereNov 22 20:19
_Goblinschestowitz, I think the person had "lord" or something similar in their handle.....I thinkNov 22 20:19
_GoblinMinceR, I think the UK transport system runs purely on British stiff upper lip....Nov 22 20:20
MinceRthat's already more than the one in budapestNov 22 20:21
MinceRwhich runs on incompetence, rust, fire and smokeNov 22 20:21
MinceRoh, also on disinterest and plain old hostilityNov 22 20:21
MinceRour transport company cares infinitely more about how to bother passengers and treat every one of them as a criminal than providing a service.Nov 22 20:21
MinceRfor our money, we get abused by hordes of barbaric ticket inspectors even as the vehicles catch fire and stop.Nov 22 20:22
MinceRand of course none of them knows what happened and what the company's doing to restore some semblance of serviceNov 22 20:22
MinceR(of course, the solution is "nothing")Nov 22 20:22
schestowitzhinojosa: FossForge?Nov 22 20:23
schestowitzSourceForge?Nov 22 20:23
hinojosalooking for the linkNov 22 20:24
schestowitzDice and others have not done any favours to the /. I once followed very closely, it would be nice if the F word (free) got used moreNov 22 20:24
hinojosasorry - fossforceNov 22 20:25
hinojosahttp://fossforce.com/2013/11/reddit-sourceforge-lynch-mob/Nov 22 20:25
TechrightsBot-trfossforce.com | The Reddit - SourceForge Lynch Mob - FOSS Force  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xag ]Nov 22 20:25
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3320210Nov 22 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In Soviet Korea (LG), TV watch YOU! http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/lg-smart-tv-snooping-extends-to-home-networks-second-blogger-says/Nov 22 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | LG smart TV snooping extends to home networks, second blogger says | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pk8 ]Nov 22 20:26
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schestowitz"US law and lawlessness puts a cloud over every company located in the US but there's a scale of trust and sensible measures to take. Red Hat is a free software ally but we must be careful to use free software the way it was intended and double check everything. Sucking down nVidia binaries is about as bad for your privacy as using Windows is. I think Jan understands that."Nov 22 20:26
schestowitzhinojosa: I wrote a lot about SF and /.Nov 22 20:26
schestowitzSome articles include:Nov 22 20:26
schestowitz!google slashdot techrightsNov 22 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Longtime Microsoft Booster Becomes Senior Editor at Slashdot ... | http://techrights.org/2013/07/11/slashdot-nicholas-kolakowski/Nov 22 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - More Grooming of Patent Trolls in Slashdot | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/06/24/james-logan-in-slashdot/Nov 22 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Microsoft Nick and Gaming of Slashdot: The Rise of the ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/07/28/nick-kolakowski-fud/Nov 22 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Dice.com-Run SourceForge and Slashdot Are a ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/11/09/dice-dot-com/Nov 22 20:26
hinojosaDr. schestowitz I'm happy to share your sentiments with our team - please feel free to email me your comments via d@slashdotmedia.comNov 22 20:26
schestowitz!google sourceforge techrightsNov 22 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - SourceForge - Techrights | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/SourceForgeNov 22 20:27
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Dice.com-Run SourceForge and Slashdot Are a ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/11/09/dice-dot-com/Nov 22 20:27
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - TechBytes Video: Richard Stallman on Wasted Votes | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/08/05/rms-on-wasted-votes/Nov 22 20:27
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Microsoft is Stealing… Open Source | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2008/05/29/stealing-furthe-rprogress-for-microsofts-attopen-source/Nov 22 20:27
schestowitzhinojosa: I can do this publicly hereNov 22 20:27
schestowitzseveral people in this channel share the sentiment; they were big /. fans, now very concerned about its turn to PRNov 22 20:27
schestowitzAnd some senior /. person privately told me the sameNov 22 20:28
schestowitzremember that managing a community is a paradoxNov 22 20:28
hinojosathe value of sending it to me is that I can more easily forward such sentiment to managementNov 22 20:28
schestowitzI met my boss for lunch today and he agreed when I said itNov 22 20:28
schestowitzCanonical has a 'community manager' alsoNov 22 20:28
schestowitzit's a paradoxNov 22 20:28
hinojosaindeedNov 22 20:28
schestowitzhinojosa: :-) you can copy-paste from hereNov 22 20:29
hinojosaone does not simply march into Mordor (and manage that community)Nov 22 20:29
hinojosa;)Nov 22 20:29
schestowitzsome slashdot staff is shown to have looked me up in linkedinNov 22 20:29
hinojosaI have opened all of the articles you posted hereNov 22 20:29
schestowitzWhich means they're aware that some people are sceptical of what's happening under the new management wingNov 22 20:29
hinojosaI'll make a reportNov 22 20:29
schestowitzwhich puts profit over communityNov 22 20:29
schestowitz!google slashdot profit 2013 diceNov 22 20:29
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Linux Format Magazine Team Quits, Launches New Profit ... - Slashdot | http://slashdot.org/story/13/11/15/186247/linux-format-magazine-team-quits-launches-new-profit-donating-magNov 22 20:29
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Linux Magazine Team Quits, Launches New Profit ... - Slashdot | http://beta.slashdot.org/submission/3119321/linux-magazine-team-quits-launches-new-profit-donating-magNov 22 20:29
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - StumbleUpon Claims They've Stumbled Onto Profits - Slashdot | http://slashdot.org/story/13/09/19/2141227/stumbleupon-claims-theyve-stumbled-onto-profitsNov 22 20:29
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Slashdot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlashdotNov 22 20:29
hinojosasome definitely view it that wayNov 22 20:30
schestowitzalso, tell them that grooming people of the trump type sends out the wrong messageNov 22 20:30
schestowitz /. has given the platform to the world's biggest patent troll, NathanM, who is BillG's friend (who also gets groomed in ./) -- VERY odd for what used to be a pro-FOSS site in the Malda daysNov 22 20:31
hinojosaNoted.Nov 22 20:31
schestowitzit's easy to sell one's assets for moneyNov 22 20:31
schestowitzLike Novell didNov 22 20:31
schestowitzPJ had an analogy for itNov 22 20:31
schestowitzShe could say she'd make money for selling her mother's bloodNov 22 20:32
schestowitzThat was around 2008Nov 22 20:32
schestowitzNovell bragged about making profits for liaising with Microsoft, but where is Novell after the community had it pay the price?Nov 22 20:32
schestowitzThe point is, Dice is devouring the credibility of /,Nov 22 20:32
hinojosaI am an OSS advocate. I am a bit silent here as I can only say so much. However, I am working hard to help the OSS community at SFNov 22 20:33
schestowitzUsing an ever-shrinking audience in an attempt to squeeze some profit by TRYING to change perceptionNov 22 20:33
schestowitz!google microsoft leaks manual evangelismNov 22 20:33
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - 66 Pages of Microsoft Evilness | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/02/08/microsoft-evilness-galore/Nov 22 20:33
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - How to Get Your Platform Accepted as a Standard - Microsoft Style | http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php%3Fstory%3D20071023002351958Nov 22 20:33
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Windows Phone update detailed in leaked screenshots, includes ... | http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/7/4703830/windows-phone-8-gdr3-screenshots-features-leakedNov 22 20:33
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Debugging Native memory leaks with Debug Diag 1.1 - MSDN Blogs | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tess/archive/2010/01/14/debugging-native-memory-leaks-with-debug-diag-1-1.aspxNov 22 20:33
schestowitz"Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input.  Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them.  Thus, you control mindshare!"Nov 22 20:33
schestowitz-Microsoft, internal documentNov 22 20:33
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdfNov 22 20:33
schestowitzit's easy to monetise like this; you lose the community while basically trying to squeeze the hoose for the golden eggs while they're still there, and that's why /. went downhill 5 years agioNov 22 20:34
schestowitzThe community manager might still be able to raise this concerns to the PHBs at the topNov 22 20:35
schestowitzThey're sacrificing the site for short-term goalsNov 22 20:35
schestowitzdevaluing the product, selling it out too quicklyuNov 22 20:35
hinojosaIndeed. I came here to get an account and I am also listening so that I can report appropriatelyNov 22 20:35
schestowitzre SF, the main issue is, there too one can see greedNov 22 20:36
schestowitzthe malware-like tacticsNov 22 20:36
schestowitzattaching unwanted downloadsNov 22 20:36
schestowitzYou then have BOTH downloaders AND developers on the runNov 22 20:36
schestowitzThey have many other optionsNov 22 20:36
schestowitzNot just SF/FreshmeatNov 22 20:36
hinojosahttp://sourceforge.net/blog/today-we-offer-devshare-beta-a-sustainable-way-to-fund-open-source-software/ & http://sourceforge.net/blog/advertising-bundling-community-and-criticism/Nov 22 20:37
TechrightsBot-trsourceforge.net | Today We Offer DevShare (Beta), A Sustainable Way To Fund Open Source Software  |  SourceForge Community Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xen ]Nov 22 20:37
TechrightsBot-trsourceforge.net | Advertising, Bundling, Community and Criticism  |  SourceForge Community Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xeo ]Nov 22 20:37
schestowitzAnd once you get bad publicity, e.g. from GIMP, you are seriously in trouble because other developers pay attention and take notesNov 22 20:37
hinojosathese provide the official lineNov 22 20:37
schestowitz"official line" is management speakNov 22 20:37
hinojosaI suggest that if you have questions about these, or need more in depth detail that it may be a good idea to interview RobertoNov 22 20:37
schestowitzsounds like the goals in Dice are short-term onesNov 22 20:37
schestowitzto secure managers' wages, they don't grok communityNov 22 20:38
schestowitzThey think in terms of "clients"Nov 22 20:38
schestowitzit doesn't work like thatNov 22 20:38
schestowitzThe suppliers are the developersNov 22 20:38
iophkMaybe it is like CMP and the goal is to wind it down over a few years and then pack it up?Nov 22 20:38
schestowitzand without suppliers they're left without clients (download, visitors, etc.)Nov 22 20:38
schestowitzGIMP is a top projectNov 22 20:38
hinojosaOur team is committed to serve the OSS community.Nov 22 20:39
schestowitzI downloaded the Windows version for my aunt in FL 10 years ago via /,.Nov 22 20:39
schestowitzCMP was horribleNov 22 20:39
schestowitzIt resorted to baitingNov 22 20:39
schestowitzhinojosa: yoursNov 22 20:39
schestowitzBut ewhose team are you with?Nov 22 20:39
schestowitzThe management of the community?Nov 22 20:39
hinojosaAs I noted earlier, I am the Community Manager at SourceForgeNov 22 20:40
schestowitzCommunity management, as in the case of jono, is like a two-faced roleNov 22 20:40
hinojosaIt can be a tough position indeed.Nov 22 20:40
schestowitzbridging altruism and greedNov 22 20:40
jonoschestowitz not sure I would characterize a company as "greed"Nov 22 20:40
schestowitzThe former group is sceptical and wary of the latter, and for good reasonsNov 22 20:40
schestowitzjono: depends which partNov 22 20:41
jonobut altrusism and commercial success is definitely tryueNov 22 20:41
jonotrueNov 22 20:41
schestowitzjono: some are judged professionally only by how m uch  profit they generateNov 22 20:41
jonoas many community folks don't understand that commercial success is important for Open SourceNov 22 20:41
hinojosajono, true.Nov 22 20:41
schestowitz2003-2004: worked for widget incorporation, helped increase profit by 300$Nov 22 20:41
schestowitz%Nov 22 20:42
schestowitzand then they leave it to burnNov 22 20:42
schestowitzLike people did with airliners and banksNov 22 20:42
schestowitzLooks good for them; for those who stay long term, not so much...Nov 22 20:42
schestowitzLook what Ubuntu's Amazon agreement did to the brand value, or perceived trustNov 22 20:43
schestowitzit just ain't worth itNov 22 20:43
schestowitzjono: I was in a FOSS conference that talked about this today, and it was generally agreed that companies now take control of much of FOSSNov 22 20:43
schestowitzdevouring community voiceNov 22 20:43
jonoschestowitz we...Nov 22 20:44
schestowitzand also increasingly take things proprietary-way without the community noticing or saying anythingNov 22 20:44
jonowell...Nov 22 20:44
schestowitzI'm talking about SquizNov 22 20:44
schestowitznot CanonicalNov 22 20:44
jonocompanies employ a significant amount of people who drive Open SourceNov 22 20:44
schestowitzAll sorts of weird "open source" companies that aren't reallyNov 22 20:44
jonothat is trueNov 22 20:44
schestowitzyesNov 22 20:44
schestowitzbutNov 22 20:44
jonobut I am not sure community voice is eradicatedNov 22 20:44
schestowitzthat comes with strings attachedNov 22 20:44
jonoit is in some casesNov 22 20:44
schestowitzlook at LFNov 22 20:44
jonobut that is not standard with companiesNov 22 20:44
schestowitzWho is ZemlinNov 22 20:44
jonoit is a balanceNov 22 20:44
jonoand it should beNov 22 20:44
schestowitzA branding professional, by training and tradeNov 22 20:45
schestowitzwho else? More PR folksNov 22 20:45
schestowitzWho pays? intel, IBM...Nov 22 20:45
schestowitzWhat do they do?Nov 22 20:45
schestowitzTPM, DRM, UEFI...Nov 22 20:45
schestowitzWhich the community does NOT work or needNov 22 20:45
schestowitzIBM lovvies for SOFTWARE PATENTSNov 22 20:45
schestowitz*bbNov 22 20:45
jonoschestowitz the Linux Foundation does not drive restrictive technologiesNov 22 20:46
schestowitzjono: it's a balance, and the community is going out of balanceNov 22 20:46
schestowitzgo to ubuntu ForumsNov 22 20:46
jonoit just reacts to themNov 22 20:46
schestowitzCount new threadsNov 22 20:46
schestowitzin 2008Nov 22 20:46
schestowitzand 5 years laterNov 22 20:46
jonoI know Jim ZemlinNov 22 20:46
jonohe is a good guyNov 22 20:46
schestowitzGo to SF or /. and you might see something similarNov 22 20:46
schestowitzjono: he's awesomeNov 22 20:46
schestowitzbut his role is defined by those paying his salaryNov 22 20:47
jonoschestowitz agreedNov 22 20:47
schestowitzand the LF is trying to raise money this xmas from peoplNov 22 20:47
jonobut the LF are not devoid of ethical standardsNov 22 20:47
schestowitzeyet over 90% of their income (I estimate) comes from  proprietary software giantsNov 22 20:47
jonoI have seen them enforce them first-handNov 22 20:47
schestowitzand it's a real problemNov 22 20:47
schestowitzbecause they're in steering committeesNov 22 20:47
schestowitzit's them who write strategy docsNov 22 20:47
schestowitzOIN is similarNov 22 20:48
schestowitzPeer2patent hardly survives because it doesn't lean towards corporations as much, it's more of a NY-based academic think, AFAIKNov 22 20:48
schestowitzBTW, the same is true for news sitesNov 22 20:49
schestowitzIf they're not already paid by the megacorporations, then they write in a way that would help lure them to fund or simply fall out of the gameNov 22 20:49
schestowitzSlashdot started writing origiinal sroties like thatNov 22 20:49
schestowitzIMHO, a move which perhaps hoped to attract a similar business modelNov 22 20:50
schestowitzwhile de-esphasising the communityNov 22 20:50
schestowitzso they hired writers, not just moderators, not careful to check their professional backround and convenctions which hardly represent the community'sNov 22 20:50
schestowitzhttp://redmonk.com/sogrady/2013/11/21/selling-software/Nov 22 20:56
TechrightsBot-trredmonk.com | The Difficulty of Selling Software – tecosystems  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xib ]Nov 22 20:56
schestowitz"The problem for Microsoft isn't that the PC ceased being the primary computing device. It's that you can't charge for software anymore."Nov 22 20:56
schestowitzThat;s BSNov 22 20:56
schestowitzDesktops are a hardware issueNov 22 20:56
schestowitzthe hw is too expensiveNov 22 20:56
schestowitzand the software requires that battery-eating messNov 22 20:56
schestowitzso it killed itself like the typing machine didNov 22 20:56
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/content/non-linux-foss-chrome-desktop-applications?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+linuxjournalcom+%28Linux+Journal+-+The+Original+Magazine+of+the+Linux+Community%29Nov 22 21:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.linuxjournal.com | Non-Linux FOSS: Chrome Desktop Applications | Linux Journal  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xlu ]Nov 22 21:16
_Goblintalking of hardware.......Bought a chromebook...fantastic piece of kitNov 22 21:16
MinceRdo you use it with chromeos, or something you've installed on it, or both?Nov 22 21:17
schestowitzgde33: Gratz!Nov 22 21:17
_GoblinchromeosNov 22 21:17
MinceRwhich model is it?Nov 22 21:17
_GoblinHP 14"Nov 22 21:17
_Goblinnice big normal screenNov 22 21:17
_Goblingood for taking away.Nov 22 21:17
schestowitzohloh promotion http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/get-more-juice-out-your-enterprise-code-base-code-searchNov 22 21:18
DaemonFCMinceR: I deleted someone from my Facebook and blocked them yesterday.Nov 22 21:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.linuxjournal.com | Get More Juice out of Your Enterprise Code Base with Code Search | Linux Journal  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xmb ]Nov 22 21:18
_Goblinand since I'm really only surfing and gdocs, it fits the bill perfectlyNov 22 21:18
MinceRis it passively cooled or actively cooled?Nov 22 21:18
DaemonFCThe guy was a total jerk and I just didn't see that right away.Nov 22 21:18
_GoblinpassivelyNov 22 21:18
_GoblinI assume....Nov 22 21:18
_Goblinthere's no fan I can hear chugging awayNov 22 21:18
MinceR:)Nov 22 21:18
_Goblinbattery life is good too...Nov 22 21:18
MinceRhow much battery life do you get?Nov 22 21:19
DaemonFCHe made a post about how he was so much more intelligent than everyone else, and that "common idiots" managed to get by while he was struggling (living off his parents and getting his HIV medication from the state).Nov 22 21:19
DaemonFCIt really set me off.Nov 22 21:19
_Goblindepends on the tasks.....general use, I'd say around 5 hours....maybe more I charge before it goes flatNov 22 21:19
MinceRicNov 22 21:19
DaemonFCSo before I deleted and blocked him, I quoted O'Neill from SG-1.Nov 22 21:19
DaemonFC"You know that bitter taste in your throat, that's sort of wrapping itself around your uvula? That's your pride!"Nov 22 21:20
ThistleWebmost chromebooks are ssdsNov 22 21:20
ThistleWeball except one of the acers I thinkNov 22 21:20
_Goblinit was the HP's 14" screen that sold meNov 22 21:20
DaemonFCI'll have $100 worth of Amazon gift cards shortly.Nov 22 21:20
ThistleWebssd is the notm for chromebooksNov 22 21:20
ThistleWebnorm*Nov 22 21:20
_Goblindon't buy a ps4 daemonfc from amazonNov 22 21:20
_Goblinthey can't package em properlyNov 22 21:21
DaemonFCI'll probably use that to buy a Nexus 5.Nov 22 21:21
DaemonFCIt should give me an unlocked one for cheap.Nov 22 21:21
DaemonFCIt beats getting into a contract and paying twice what the phone retails for in installments.Nov 22 21:21
MinceR_Goblin: how much did it cost?Nov 22 21:21
_GoblinI got mine £200Nov 22 21:21
_Goblintrackpad is crap...but then I always prefer mouse.Nov 22 21:22
_Goblinkeyboard is reasonable once you get used to itNov 22 21:22
MinceRand what's the screen resolution? google doesn't tell...Nov 22 21:22
iophk? 200 pounds / dollars / euro?Nov 22 21:22
MinceRi think it's poundsNov 22 21:22
_GoblinstandbyNov 22 21:22
_Goblin1600x900Nov 22 21:23
DaemonFCLike, you'll get a phone that retails for $300, but they'll charge you $50 up front and then another $20 a month for the next 24 months.Nov 22 21:24
DaemonFCSo you end up paying like $530 for the $300 phone.Nov 22 21:25
MinceR_Goblin: how warm does it get?Nov 22 21:25
ThistleWebat some point the resolution is something you can't tell for normal stuff, and it drains the battery quickerNov 22 21:25
DaemonFCT-Mobile has this plan where you get 100 minutes a month, but unlimited texts and data for $30 a month.Nov 22 21:25
*ThistleWeb waits for some smartphone maker to release a 4k phone in a 4" screen sizeNov 22 21:26
MinceR:)Nov 22 21:26
DaemonFCand you can connect your computer over the data connection and use up to 2.5 GB a month through tethering.Nov 22 21:26
ThistleWebcompletely pointless, and one movie takes your entire SD cardNov 22 21:26
DaemonFCSo I think that would probably be a good way to get rid of Comcast.Nov 22 21:26
MinceRwe'll have bigger sd cards :>Nov 22 21:26
DaemonFCThere's no overage charges, your tethered devices just get throttled after the 2.5 GB.Nov 22 21:26
ThistleWebtrue, but you wont spot 4k in a small screenNov 22 21:27
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ThistleWebyou'll be lucky to see it on a 22"Nov 22 21:27
_GoblinMinceR, never paid that much notice....Nov 22 21:27
DaemonFCAndroid phones have recently gotten to the point where I think you could do most of the stuff you could do on your computer with the phone instead.Nov 22 21:27
DaemonFCIt could end up saving me money.Nov 22 21:27
ThistleWebtrueNov 22 21:27
ThistleWebfor consumption certainlyNov 22 21:27
_GoblinHi GordonNov 22 21:28
_Goblin;)Nov 22 21:28
ThistleWebcontent creation is a different case, keyboards are kinda essensial at timesNov 22 21:28
ThistleWebo/Nov 22 21:28
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DaemonFCWell, I had no idea what Swype was.Nov 22 21:28
ThistleWebalmost won naNoWriMo for the 2nd yr in a row btwNov 22 21:28
DaemonFCDidn't even know you could do it until I saw someone using it a couple days ago.Nov 22 21:28
_Goblinexcellent!Nov 22 21:28
ThistleWebday 22, and I'm at 47,298Nov 22 21:28
DaemonFCYou can use Swype and type faster than I can do it using a keyboard.Nov 22 21:28
ThistleWebshould pass the 50,000 over the weekendNov 22 21:29
ThistleWebwith a week to spare :DNov 22 21:29
_Goblindon't though talk to me about writing...had a 15k rerewrite which is still not to the satisfaction of agentNov 22 21:29
_Goblinand I've lost two chapters as wellNov 22 21:29
ThistleWeblike the ent wives?Nov 22 21:31
ThistleWebdon't know where they wentNov 22 21:31
_Goblin:) No unfortunately I do know where they went...they were removed intentionally "Not integral to story, diverts reader into realms of confusion"Nov 22 21:32
_Goblinw*nkersNov 22 21:33
ThistleWebyeah that can happenNov 22 21:33
_Goblinmind you thats the 2nd book.....Nov 22 21:33
_Goblinthe 1st one is done......Nov 22 21:33
ThistleWebenjoying the whole writing thing then?Nov 22 21:34
_GoblinnopeNov 22 21:34
_GoblinI would, if it didn't have strings attached.Nov 22 21:34
_Goblindeadlines for starters.Nov 22 21:34
ThistleWebtampontasticNov 22 21:34
ThistleWeboh, those kinds of stringsNov 22 21:34
_Goblinall strings!Nov 22 21:35
ThistleWeblolNov 22 21:35
_Goblinmind you if Google and the NSA steal my work off my gdrive, I don't care....I don't own it anymoreNov 22 21:35
ThistleWebtake insperation from douglas adams "I love deadlines, I love the sound they make as they whoosh by"Nov 22 21:35
_Goblinunfortunately he had a little bargaining power, being an established authorNov 22 21:35
_GoblinI don't like the pressure a contract puts you under.Nov 22 21:36
_Goblinit changes the work from being a hobby to a jobNov 22 21:36
_Goblinergo - a choreNov 22 21:36
ThistleWebyeahNov 22 21:36
_Goblinin other news....talking about jobs...Nov 22 21:37
_GoblinI am taking early retirement from my profession next year.Nov 22 21:37
ThistleWebreally?Nov 22 21:37
ThistleWebwowNov 22 21:37
_Goblinyep.Nov 22 21:37
_Goblin15 years service. Ive done enough.Nov 22 21:38
ThistleWebwell, good luck to yaNov 22 21:38
_Goblinwe are moving to be nearer to relatives (wifes side)......Nov 22 21:38
ThistleWebbig changes thenNov 22 21:38
_GoblinI'll DM you since we have peeping trolls........Nov 22 21:38
ThistleWeblolNov 22 21:39
schestowitzcan retirement be taken this early?Nov 22 21:42
_Goblinwell....yes.....sort ofNov 22 21:43
_GoblinI've enough pensioned accrued and I've 5 years of other service to carry over...Nov 22 21:44
Sosumihttp://games.slashdot.org/story/13/11/22/2054203/john-carmack-leaves-id-software?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitterNov 22 21:44
TechrightsBot-trgames.slashdot.org | John Carmack Leaves id Software - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xqv ]Nov 22 21:44
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Sosumiid has been a sinking ship after doom 3Nov 22 21:45
Sosumiand I actually liked Doom 3Nov 22 21:45
Sosumibut the lack of new releases after that and no new quake arenaNov 22 21:46
Sosumionly to have Rage come "years" later...Nov 22 21:47
MinceRbut not to GNU/LinuxNov 22 21:48
Sosumibut his departure could mean no more "freeing" of the idtech engineNov 22 21:48
MinceRthey went anti-GNU/Linux before he leftNov 22 21:49
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Sosumiyes, that's why I said no more freeing of the idtech game engineNov 22 21:49
sebsebsebMinceR: Open Suse, Mint, and UbuntuNov 22 21:49
Sosumithey went full retard after selling to bethestaNov 22 21:49
MinceRi mean, it happened regardless of his departureNov 22 21:49
MinceRhm, when did they sell to bethesda?Nov 22 21:50
MinceRsebsebseb: the users have lostNov 22 21:50
Sosumitwo years agoNov 22 21:50
Sosumior soNov 22 21:50
sebsebsebMinceR: openSUSE Mint and UbuntuNov 22 21:50
MinceRsebsebseb: saw it the first timeNov 22 21:50
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah well that's what I have to go with now it seems, if going to continue iwth thisNov 22 21:50
sebsebsebMinceR: at last Ubuntu should get a nicer Grub  2 theme at least, and maybe more than just that :)Nov 22 21:51
sebsebsebI am no fan of the abugine look since it got first introducedNov 22 21:51
Sosumiit was actually expected, during the quakecon carmack was a bit contraditoryNov 22 21:52
Sosumicriticing opengl expandability and then praising it, among othersNov 22 21:52
Sosumiit seemed like the bethesda/zeni max goons were on his neckNov 22 21:53
Sosumisebsebseb, abugine?Nov 22 21:53
MinceRthey weren't so subservient to their publishers beforeNov 22 21:53
sebsebsebSosumi: yep the purple lookNov 22 21:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/StealThisSingul/status/403979357225373696Nov 22 21:53
TechrightsBot-tr@StealThisSingul: Report: Corporations use professional spies-for-hire to monitor and undermine nonprofits http://t.co/fwsI9tdmWZNov 22 21:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.rawstory.com | Report: Corporations use professional spies-for-hire to monitor and undermine nonprofits | The Raw StoryNov 22 21:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/404003503120850944Nov 22 21:53
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @StealThisSingul @leashless such criminality also long practiced by #microsoft @schestowitzNov 22 21:53
Sosumino, that's why all their games eventually found their way to gnu/linuxNov 22 21:54
schestowitzMicrosoft is worse, it has infiltrators (who destroy), not just spies. #elopNov 22 21:54
sebsebsebMinceR: trying to be inclusive of it all got me oted out it seems, bu was worth a try anywayNov 22 21:54
sebsebsebvoted out aboveNov 22 21:54
Sosumiplus Carmack never lambasted linux, he just said it didn't treat them well in terms of the amount of sales they were gettingNov 22 21:55
SosumiMicrosoft behaves like a virusNov 22 21:55
sebsebsebMinceR: YAY for non my distro distros for an event heh heh,  I suppoue it's better  than not having an event like this at all thoughNov 22 21:57
Sosumiit's either assimilation or anihalationNov 22 21:57
schestowitz[21:55] <Sosumi> plus Carmack never lambasted linux, he just said it didn't treat them well in terms of the amount of sales they were gettingNov 22 21:57
_Goblinwhats the difference between incorporation and assimilation?Nov 22 21:57
schestowitztrueNov 22 21:57
schestowitztaken out of contextNov 22 21:57
MinceRsebsebseb: depends on how it proceedsNov 22 21:57
_Goblinjust a little word play...Nov 22 21:57
sebsebseb_Goblin: openSUSE,  Mint, and UbuntuNov 22 21:58
Sosumiin the contest he put it I don't think soNov 22 21:58
sebsebseb_Goblin: long time no see dudeNov 22 21:58
_Goblin:)Nov 22 21:59
_GoblinBonjour..Nov 22 21:59
schestowitzhttp://www.decryptedtech.com/news/happy-birthday-gnuNov 22 21:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.decryptedtech.com | Happy Birthday GNU  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xt7 ]Nov 22 21:59
sebsebseb_Goblin: Do you like openSUSE? :DNov 22 21:59
_Goblinnot used it....Nov 22 21:59
_GoblinIm a Chrome fanboyNov 22 21:59
_GoblinI supposeNov 22 21:59
Sosumilol chromeNov 22 21:59
ThistleWebthat'd be chromeOSNov 22 22:00
sebsebseb_Goblin: I think they think I am a Mageia fan boy,  and that could be why   that distro isn't in for this evet nowNov 22 22:00
sebsebsebor one of them, but ah wellNov 22 22:00
sebsebseb_Goblin: well some might think that I don't knowNov 22 22:00
_Goblinits that since I use google services so heavily Nov 22 22:00
ThistleWebI sooooo wanted to bend my workflow to suit a chromebook, I tried, I really tried, but it doesn't work for meNov 22 22:00
sebsebseb_Goblin: are you using the real Chrome? not chromium?Nov 22 22:01
_GoblinI'm talking about the Googly chrome browser front end on their chromebook Nov 22 22:02
sebsebsebah right okNov 22 22:02
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3324679Nov 22 22:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #LinkedIn is rapidly becoming the world's leading unsolicited mass-mail (spam) tool, used vs. people who get hammered based on affiliationNov 22 22:02
schestowitz"Word!"Nov 22 22:02
_Goblin"Word up brother"Nov 22 22:02
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3324990Nov 22 22:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: John Carmack is leaving id Software. Maybe he can start something more GNU.Linux-friendly?Nov 22 22:02
schestowitz"erm, is Carmarck himself linux-friendly? http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/169021-john-carmack-thinks-the-steam-machines-biggest-problem-is-linux "Nov 22 22:02
TechrightsBot-trwww.extremetech.com | John Carmack thinks the Steam Machine’s biggest problem is Linux | ExtremeTech  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xtt ]Nov 22 22:02
schestowitzThe report is junk, see his wording...Nov 22 22:03
sebsebsebschestowitz: your a great fan of openSUSE aren't you? :dNov 22 22:03
schestowitzThe report is junk, see his wording...  http://techrights.org/2013/10/24/carmack-words-warped/Nov 22 22:03
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | John Carmack’s Name is Once Again Misused to Bash GNU/Linux | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xu2 ]Nov 22 22:03
schestowitzsebsebseb: biggest fanNov 22 22:04
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sebsebsebschestowitz: yep so much so that you love wirting about it :d heh hehNov 22 22:04
MinceRyeah, selling winblows licenses with a console would have been less crazy, right?Nov 22 22:04
MinceRthis man has gone off the deep endNov 22 22:04
_GoblinSebsebseb - what was that distro you were working with a while back?Nov 22 22:04
sebsebseb_Goblin: still am to an extent, but  that's been out voted for an event helping orgniase uhNov 22 22:05
_Goblinwhats it called?Nov 22 22:05
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sebsebsebMageiaNov 22 22:05
sebsebseb_Goblin: ah well I suppouse I got the FOSDEM 2014 to celebrate the Mageia 4 final releae anyway and such :dNov 22 22:05
_Goblinare you sure? I thought it was Mint you were working with.Nov 22 22:06
sebsebsebthe plan is to release for FOSDEM 2014Nov 22 22:06
sebsebseb_Goblin: Mint what noNov 22 22:06
_Goblinmy mistakeNov 22 22:06
sebsebsebI have used Mint a bit, and helped out in the IRC channels here and thereNov 22 22:06
_Goblinits been a while...Nov 22 22:06
sebsebseb,but that's as far as it goesNov 22 22:06
sebsebsebit's ThistleWeb who used to apparnatlly help out a lot with Mint in IRC, and  use Mint loads Nov 22 22:06
_Goblinno..hang on...what about Mephis? did you help them out?Nov 22 22:06
sebsebsebnopeNov 22 22:07
_GoblinMandriva?Nov 22 22:07
sebsebseb_Goblin: dude you need to get back into geek land more,  ah right, but your you know, may not like that if you doNov 22 22:07
_Goblinsorry....Nov 22 22:07
sebsebsebthat's the catchNov 22 22:07
MinceRalso, the author of the article is cluelessNov 22 22:08
_Goblinmemory is fudgy...have so much stuff on, forgotten how many people I spoke with over the years.Nov 22 22:08
*sebsebseb is behind on tech newsNov 22 22:08
MinceRhe believes that "Linux" is about "aubergine color schemes and penguin logos"Nov 22 22:08
MinceRthis is a supposed tech writer?Nov 22 22:08
sebsebseb_Goblin: no it's ok, and the dude stuff is me joking with you a bit :DNov 22 22:08
_Goblin:)Nov 22 22:09
sebsebseb_Goblin: yeah I guess Techbytes is pretty much dead nowNov 22 22:09
sebsebsebschestowitz may still resurecte it sometmes from the dead thoughNov 22 22:09
_Goblinno...Nov 22 22:09
_GoblinRoy is doing some great work with RMSNov 22 22:09
_GoblinI've not had the time...I wish I did.....Nov 22 22:09
_GoblinI just don't like saying to Roy I could do a date then having to cancel.Nov 22 22:10
MinceR"the dominant mobile gaming platform will likely continue to be iOS" -- wtfNov 22 22:10
_Goblin?Nov 22 22:10
MinceRthis alleged tech writer also doesn't read news on market share statsNov 22 22:10
sebsebseb_Goblin: seems event at my LUG, there is GNOME 3 dislike hmmNov 22 22:10
sebsebsebah wellNov 22 22:10
sebsebseb_Goblin: do you remember all that :d,  the uhmm GNOME 3 eing made, then Mate and Cinnamon to and Ubuntu going their own way with UnityNov 22 22:11
_GoblinIve dipped out of the politics because of writing taking so much time up...Nov 22 22:11
sebsebseb_Goblin: now it's about things like Wayland andMir as well, or are you to out of things like this, to know what I am talking about :dNov 22 22:11
_Goblinwhich is why gdocs serves me so wellNov 22 22:11
sebsebseboh your writingNov 22 22:11
sebsebsebwhat are you writingNov 22 22:11
sebsebseb?Nov 22 22:11
_Goblinive a 3 book deal Nov 22 22:12
sebsebseb_Goblin: bingo polotics andLinux etcNov 22 22:12
_Goblinits fantasy comedy scifi.Nov 22 22:12
sebsebseb_Goblin: peoples opinions etcNov 22 22:12
sebsebseb_Goblin: I been thinking quite recently that things like this are very opinated, becuase of stuff that's been going onNov 22 22:13
schestowitz_Goblin: am free all weekendNov 22 22:13
schestowitznot working till Mon eve, so can record over thr weekendNov 22 22:13
sebsebsebschestowitz: _Goblin yep you two better hook up for a date then :dNov 22 22:13
_GoblinI would hope I can hook up.... I'm still doing a rewrite of 15,000 words...but I'll hope to get some downtime.Nov 22 22:13
_Goblinschestowitz, I'll speak to you privately regarding some personal changes which I don't want published in logs (where we are moving to  etc)Nov 22 22:14
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MinceR"how poor Android gaming devices have been received" -> links to an article discussing a single deviceNov 22 22:53
MinceRoh yeah, quality journalism from ziff-davisNov 22 22:53
DaemonFCI'm seriously considering getting a Nexus 5. It's not the cost of the phone that bothers me, it's how every carrier gouges for data plans.Nov 22 23:10
DaemonFCI thought household hard-line internet connection pricing was bad. Holy shit.Nov 22 23:11
DaemonFCFor the price of an unlimited data plan, you *should* get unthrottled 4G speeds all the time.Nov 22 23:12
DaemonFCThen again, for the price of cable you shouldn't have to deal with any caps. :)Nov 22 23:12
DaemonFCFucking Comcast wants people to pay $76 a month for cable internet, and then if you actually, you know, USE it, then they want you to pay for metered billing too.Nov 22 23:13
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DaemonFCI'm considering ditching my cable internet and replacing everything with a cell phone.Nov 22 23:13
DaemonFCIt's kind of difficult to lug a desktop PC around with you, so I have no internet connection at all if I go anywhere else.Nov 22 23:14
MinceRi have both a home connection and a mobile connection :>Nov 22 23:14
DaemonFCIt would be nice if they could make a phone that ran Fedora with KDE and had enough local storage to actually store things locally.Nov 22 23:14
MinceRthen again, hungarian telcos suck so no truly unlimited plan existsNov 22 23:14
MinceRonly "unlimited if you use the services we happen to like" plansNov 22 23:15
MinceRthen again, pretty much everything in hungary fucking sucks, so this shouldn't be a surpriseNov 22 23:15
MinceRgnNov 22 23:30
DaemonFChttp://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/police-beat-college-student-riding-bicycle-sidewalk-videoNov 22 23:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.alternet.org | Police Beat Up College Student for Riding Bicycle on Sidewalk (Video) | Alternet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2yg8 ]Nov 22 23:44
DaemonFChttp://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/11/20/246400702/this-is-what-america-s-school-lunches-really-look-like?utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=nprfacebook&utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebookNov 22 23:49
TechrightsBot-trwww.npr.org | This Is What America's School Lunches Really Look Like : The Salt : NPR  [ http://ur1.ca/g2ygp ]Nov 22 23:49
DaemonFCshared a link via NPR.Nov 22 23:52
DaemonFC6 minutes ago · EditedNov 22 23:52
DaemonFCBig Food is still dumping things that even fast food companies wouldn't serve into school lunches. I remember when I was in public school and it was a race to the cafeteria to get one of the chef's salads. This was WAY before Michelle Obama was telling kids to eat healthier. You wanted the salad because you knew what it was. They won't let students skip buying a meal, but many of them just toss it into the trash because eating it will make Nov 22 23:52
DaemonFCthem feel sick. Although, fewer students are doing that these days because eating something at school is their only guaranteed meal of the day in this economy.Nov 22 23:52
SnowleaksangeThe headmistress of the Indian school that authorities say served toxic lunches, killing 23 students, was arrested Wednesday, police said.Nov 22 23:54
_GoblinDaemonFC, re: school lunches....take a look at other countries....say... Uganda ....those people live in hunger and poverty, the US & UK don't know the meaning of the word.Nov 23 00:07
DaemonFCYes, but they're not rich countries.Nov 23 00:19
DaemonFCand the slop that they feed children at school here is embarrassing considering the total amount of wealth that exists hereNov 23 00:19
DaemonFCand roughly 24% of those students might not have food when they get home, which *is* a problemNov 23 00:19
DaemonFCYou'd expect a that a third world country where many people have HIV and malaria to have a hunger problem. It sucks that nobody is helping with that situation, but the rich are increasingly abandoning Americans too.Nov 23 00:21
DaemonFCThe idea of "foreign aid" is more or less a sham. Load them down with debt and occasionally send them a few pallets of "high protein biscuits.Nov 23 00:22
DaemonFCIt's basically a fig leaf that enriches the top 1% in countries like the US and UK.Nov 23 00:22
DaemonFCThe school lunch situation is basically a way for big food to unload crap that is unfit for retail sale, and getting the public to pay for it.Nov 23 00:23
DaemonFCLooking at what school systems feed kids now makes the stuff that they had when I was in school look like gourmet cuisine in comparison.Nov 23 00:24
DaemonFCAt least sometimes you knew what you were eating. :)Nov 23 00:24
DaemonFCIt's fucking embarrassing. They wonder why kids are becoming obese and having health problems which used to be associated with old age.Nov 23 00:25
DaemonFCWell, look at the shit they're eating. It's because it's cheap to make and they can force the public to buy it.Nov 23 00:25
_GoblinIts a point....however kids being obese is not a fault of 1 school meal a day its through parents and "I don't have time to cook properly" or "Real ingredients are too expensive".....both easily disproved.Nov 23 00:37
_GoblinBut then its having your cake and eating it.... People should only have kids if they can support them (and the math is not difficult)...the thing is today, these "parents" have kids then expect everything to be handed to them and helped....and why should someone else pay for my kids through for example school meals? If I buy a sports car will they pay the petrol? Of course not and people expecting others to pay for what they chose to have (in this case Nov 23 00:39
_Goblinkids) is out of order.Nov 23 00:39
_GoblinYou don't buy a sports car if you can't afford the fuel...it should be a no brainer that you don't have kids if you can't afford them.Nov 23 00:40
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DaemonFCyour sports car is not a human being that is starvingNov 23 01:32
_Goblinvery true...but then its about responsibility...if you have kids that you know you cannot afford, what does that say about parents....or what about parents that haven't planned financially? Thats where the car example is relevant...Nov 23 01:35
_GoblinI won't have  10 kids, because I know we can't afford 10.... if you can't afford kids, then as a responsible adult you should not be having them...but thats this world all over, nobody wants personal resposibility, its always someone elses fault.Nov 23 01:36
DaemonFCJeremy MillerNov 23 01:36
DaemonFCNovember 20 near Fort Wayne, IN via mobileNov 23 01:36
DaemonFCOmg I'm turning into my dad! I just fell asleep at a stop light .... lolNov 23 01:36
DaemonFCMe: I ran one a couple of days ago. I'm hoping that there wasn't a camera on that light, otherwise I'd better get ready to grab my ankles. Nov 23 01:37
DaemonFC_Goblin: The problem is that the parents are allowed to keep having more children to put on the system. Right-wingers want to basically force women to give birth in the name of protecting life, and then starving the children once they are here.Nov 23 01:38
DaemonFCSo their approach is not only evil, it's inhuman.Nov 23 01:38
DaemonFCHow do you protect life by forcing women to give birth and then starving the children?Nov 23 01:39
DaemonFCIt's not logical.Nov 23 01:39
DaemonFCAnd what did the children do?Nov 23 01:39
_GoblinThe problem is that the parents are allowed - Are you saying now its the fault of the government that people are not responsible enough to work out what they can afford...if a parent decided to bring life into the world and knew they couldn't afford it, what does that say about the parent?Nov 23 01:40
DaemonFCWell, the right-wingers and their war on birth control creates more children for them to starve.Nov 23 01:41
DaemonFCI don't see how any good person could get behind this.Nov 23 01:41
_GoblinThe governments are guilty of many things....however parents making silly decisions are not one of them...no money no kids....no money no car etc etc these are all no brainers.Nov 23 01:41
DaemonFCRight, but this anti-birth control policy is making the problem that they are complaining about even worse.Nov 23 01:42
DaemonFCIt's like pouring gasoline on a fire and then complaining that the fire is bigger than it was before.Nov 23 01:42
_GoblinBut you don't even have kids, so how do you establish what motives or drives a parent to have them?Nov 23 01:42
DaemonFCThey're fucking evil, *and* fucking stupid.Nov 23 01:42
DaemonFCIf you want to be fucking evil and fucking stupid, then join up with the Republicans.Nov 23 01:43
DaemonFCNo longer do you have to choose just one.Nov 23 01:43
_Goblinwhat by wieghing up if we can afford kids first, then saving, then having them? thats evil is it?Nov 23 01:43
DaemonFCThey're a big tent.Nov 23 01:43
DaemonFCThey get fucking evil, fucking stupid, and fucking crazy all in one group.Nov 23 01:44
DaemonFCWith lots of overlap.Nov 23 01:44
_GoblinSo am I evil then for saving money first before we had kids?Nov 23 01:44
_Goblinthats what I advocate, proper planning before taking the responsible step of having children.Nov 23 01:44
DaemonFCIf it's really all about the money, then you could see public funding for birth control as an investment that returns several hundred times more than it costs.Nov 23 01:46
DaemonFCIt turns out that we have these public programs because most people are revolted to see human suffering going on around them and decided to do something about it.Nov 23 01:47
_GoblinOf course its about the money....or do I expect other tax payers to do it for me? Are you saying I did wrong by preparing financially for kids before having them so I didn't have to take money from other people for my children... thats wrong is it?Nov 23 01:47
DaemonFCWell, you're mad at the parents, so you get revenge by starving their kids that they were forced to have?Nov 23 01:47
_Goblinno I'm not...Nov 23 01:48
DaemonFCA lot of people would say "Oh shit, I didn't mean to get pregnant!" and take a pill to end it.Nov 23 01:48
DaemonFCBut that's not good enough.Nov 23 01:48
_GoblinI'm mad at irresponsible parents who haven't planned financially for children, expect the state and people to support them and then complain when whats given is less than par.Nov 23 01:48
DaemonFCRight wingers see women who have sex as "whores" that require punishment (with children).Nov 23 01:48
DaemonFCThat's where their forced birth policies come from.Nov 23 01:49
DaemonFCThey really don't care anything for what happens to those children.,Nov 23 01:49
DaemonFCSo once you start to think like they do, then it becomes obvious where their policies came from.Nov 23 01:49
DaemonFCThey're religious lunatics.Nov 23 01:49
_Goblinok DaemonFC ..... I can see where this is going..... woe is me (or not you because you have no children) and its the government against the world...because of course all governments want a population of people who can't afford to live.Nov 23 01:49
DaemonFCThey see sex as filthy and amoral, so the children are the obvious punishment.Nov 23 01:50
_GoblinNext you'll be quoting Icke.....best of luck...I'm off to bed.Nov 23 01:50
DaemonFCWell, if the rich didn't want a permanent underclass, they wouldn't create one and keep it going.Nov 23 01:50
DaemonFCTheir goal is perpetual class warfare between the poor and the middle class.Nov 23 01:51
DaemonFCThe last thing they want is for the poor and middle class to get together, figure out that they only control a microscopic share of the total wealth, between them, and then bust out the guillotine and go after the bastards that don't do much of anything except own.Nov 23 01:52
DaemonFCTo the rich, it's good policy to have a few actual welfare queens around. This is intentional.Nov 23 01:53
DaemonFCIt gives them something that's really an exception that they can enrage the middle class against.Nov 23 01:53
DaemonFCIt suits their purposes, so a small amount of it is allowed.Nov 23 01:54
DaemonFCWhat we have now, right now, is a situation where most people are unable to escape poverty.Nov 23 01:54
DaemonFCEven if they are single with no kids and work full time, there's no escape.Nov 23 01:55
DaemonFCAt least, younger people have this massive problem.Nov 23 01:55
DaemonFCI don't know about you, but most of the people I know who are in their 20s and 30s have college degrees, student loan debt, and are working dead end jobs because it's what this economy is producing.Nov 23 01:56
DaemonFCMost of them really can't afford to buy anything, so the economy is continuing to collapse.Nov 23 01:56
DaemonFCThe rich don't care, because they have their own economy.Nov 23 01:56
DaemonFCAs long as they can continue buying $5,000 cheeseburgers and $75 ice cubes, and sending their own kids to their own schools,  they're happy.Nov 23 01:57
DaemonFCIf people really realized what was going on, there'd be an uprising like the French Revolution.Nov 23 01:57
DaemonFCThe rich are good at keeping a low profile about what they're up to, and using *their* media to provoke the middle class against the poor.Nov 23 01:58
DaemonFCI'm considering ditching this computer and Comcast and replacing it with a Nexus 5 with an unlimited data plan.Nov 23 02:09
DaemonFCI saw someone using a phone the other day and wondered why I have this huge thing that takes two minutes to boot up and can't go anywhere.Nov 23 02:09
DaemonFCI wonder why this personals site keeps emailing me with matches that include myself.Nov 23 02:35
DaemonFCOf course I'm a 100% match with myself.Nov 23 02:35
DaemonFC:PNov 23 02:35
DaemonFCHmm. I think we have a winner.Nov 23 02:57
DaemonFCSomeone invited me to go to see Mamma Mia with him next week.Nov 23 02:58
DaemonFCOK, recommendations from whoever is up to speed on this....Nov 23 03:13
DaemonFCBest Android phone? Preferably fast with lots of storage and has Android 4.4.Nov 23 03:13
DaemonFCI'm looking mostly at Galaxy S4 vs Nexus 5.Nov 23 03:14
DaemonFChttp://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/11/21/chris-farley-rob-ford-movie_n_4319144.html?ir=MediaNov 23 04:27
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.ca | Chris Farley 'Plays' Rob Ford In Fake Movie Trailer (VIDEO)  [ http://ur1.ca/g2zpu ]Nov 23 04:27
DaemonFC shared a link.Nov 23 04:37
DaemonFChttp://n.pr/1jssmtHNov 23 04:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.npr.org | What Can Atheism Learn From Religion?  : NPRNov 23 04:37
DaemonFCReligion is the worst part of spiritual belief. Now it can be the worst part of non-belief.Nov 23 04:38
DaemonFCWhen people give up their ability to figure things out for themselves, and conform to rigid thought patterns and group think, they lose a lot. When I was going to church, I heard something that still bothers me to this day. "This isn't a buffet. You don't pick and choose what to believe. You have to accept it all, or none of it.". In other words, you surrender your individuality, adopt absurdity, and become unjust. Isn't that what Voltaire Nov 23 04:38
DaemonFCwarned us about?Nov 23 04:38
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3324990Nov 23 07:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: John Carmack is leaving id Software. Maybe he can start something more GNU.Linux-friendly?Nov 23 07:02
schestowitz"Or restart his space exploration company? "Nov 23 07:02
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3318248Nov 23 07:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google's Schmidt predicts end of censorship within a decade http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/21/us-usa-google-schmidt-idUSBRE9AK03D20131121 #schmidt and #google currently censor. #hypocrisyNov 23 07:02
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.reuters.com | Google's Schmidt predicts end of censorship within a decade | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/g2m87 ]Nov 23 07:02
schestowitz"cough China cough"Nov 23 07:02
schestowitz"China is an interesting case. But Schmidt has a point: censorship could well be impractical at that point, particularly if the dark web becomes a bit more usable."Nov 23 07:02
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3323901Nov 23 07:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Turning Mozilla #Thunderbird into a Phoenix http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/11/turning-thunderbird-into-a-phoenix/index.htm #mozillaNov 23 07:03
TechrightsBot-tr-> blogs.computerworlduk.com | Turning Mozilla Thunderbird into a Phoenix - Open Enterprise  [ http://ur1.ca/g30nv ]Nov 23 07:03
schestowitz"<3 My Thunderbird. I have gigabytes of mail, more email addresses than I care to admit, calendaring through ownCloud, filters, popups, sync across multiple machines... and TB handles it beautifully."Nov 23 07:03
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307452Nov 23 07:04
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/15/richard-stallman-letter/ http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/spouse-of-a-stratfor-client/Nov 23 07:04
TechrightsBot-tr-> venturebeat.com | Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence | VentureBeat  [ http://ur1.ca/g28on ]Nov 23 07:04
schestowitz"It seems that my G+ post is no longer flagged. https://plus.google.com/u/0/113579520393333767984/posts/DzAgkQx1KDh I have not seen an explanation."Nov 23 07:04
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | ‘Innocent Until Proven Guilty’ Becomes a Thing of the Past | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g28oo ]Nov 23 07:04
TechrightsBot-trplus.google.com | Will Hill - Google+ - RMS sensibly requested community service for Jermey Hammond…  [ http://ur1.ca/g30o5 ]Nov 23 07:04
schestowitzwhat BS: http://thevarguy.com/cloud-computing-channel-partner-program/aws-amazon-cloud-new-windows-serverNov 23 07:11
TechrightsBot-trthevarguy.com | AWS: Amazon Cloud is the New Windows Server | Cloud Computing Channel Partner Program content from The VAR GuyNov 23 07:12
oiaohmschestowitz: Not exactly BS.  Lot of the media is trying to work out how they will fit into the future world.Nov 23 07:13
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3325057Nov 23 08:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux-fueled networked DVR adds second tuner http://linuxgizmos.com/linux-powered-networked-dvr-gets-second-tuner/ #linux #dvrNov 23 08:30
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Linux-fueled networked DVR adds second tuner ·  LinuxGizmos.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g31cr ]Nov 23 08:30
schestowitz"Personally I use Minix Neo X7: http://www.minix-europe.com/MiniX-NEO-X7-Android-42-Quad-Core-Smart-TV-Box_1 Super awesome little device! The future of computing, as it states on a box ... it really is awesome. Also, it's relatively cheap when commpared with other, similar devices [and it's NOT handicapped. It comes with full set of ports]."Nov 23 08:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.minix-europe.com | MiniX NEO X7 Android 4.2 Quad Core Smart TV Box, 134,90 €  [ http://ur1.ca/g31cs ]Nov 23 08:30
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3324534Nov 23 08:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: National security https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZqyffGCMAA1_eO.jpgNov 23 08:30
schestowitz"Eh? That looks like Andy Warhol..."Nov 23 08:30
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3319833Nov 23 08:31
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: What Android 4.4 KitKat will bring to your current smartphone http://www.techadvisor.co.uk/features/google-android/what-android-44-kitkat-will-bring-your-current-smartphone/ #android #kitkat #linuxNov 23 08:31
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techadvisor.co.uk | What Android 4.4 KitKat will bring to your current smartphone - Tech Advisor Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/g31d4 ]Nov 23 08:31
schestowitz"Yay. Now the entire home screen is part of the search app, which sends all your data straight back to Google. Progress!"Nov 23 08:31
schestowitzIf people say nothing, it'll only get worse over time.Nov 23 08:32
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3319458Nov 23 08:33
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: DOJ (J stands for justice) does not obey the law http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131120/10544925304/fisa-court-tells-doj-that-it-needs-to-explain-why-its-ignoring-order-to-declassify-surveillance-opinion.shtml how can criminals ever defend us from crime?Nov 23 08:33
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techdirt.com | FISA Court Tells The DOJ That It Needs To Explain Why It's Ignoring Order To Declassify Surveillance Opinion | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/g31dp ]Nov 23 08:33
schestowitz"Meh. They'll ignore that, too."Nov 23 08:33
oiaohmschestowitz: not exactly FISA can freeze bank accounts including the ones that do payrollNov 23 08:34
oiaohmschestowitz: mostly likely make up some bogus answer to give to FISA.Nov 23 08:34
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3325879Nov 23 08:36
TechrightsBot-tr@atomjack@diasp.org: > ----Nov 23 08:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.rawstory.com | Report: Corporations use professional spies-for-hire to monitor and undermine nonprofits | The Raw Story  [ http://ur1.ca/g31e9 ]Nov 23 08:36
schestowitz"<strong> <a data-hovercard='/people/da68a1f811b0f71e' href="/u/schestowitz" class='mention hovercardable' >Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)</a> </strong><sup> 23/11/2013 10:55:39</sup> Report: Corporations use professional spies-for-hire to monitor and undermine nonprofits http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/22/report-corporations-use-professional-spies-for-hire-to-monitor-and-undermine-nonprofits/ #surveillance <sub>via <a data-hovercard=Nov 23 08:36
schestowitz/people/0b0498e2475ba7a6' href="/u/willhill" class='mention hovercardable' >Will Hill</a><br /></sub> #classwar  "Nov 23 08:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3326064Nov 23 09:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Why do you trust that this secretive government is only killing "people who need to be killed"?" http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1311/S00205/debating-a-drone.htmNov 23 09:21
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.scoop.co.nz | Debating a Drone | Scoop News  [ http://ur1.ca/g31tv ]Nov 23 09:21
schestowitz"Nobody "needs" to be killed. NOBODY, (until I say so….) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erthun0Pauc "Nov 23 09:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | monty python stoning clip - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g31tw ]Nov 23 09:21
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schestowitzrather counter-intuitively, SJVN suggests Google might buy MozillaNov 23 10:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jovinosumicity/status/404186808398778368Nov 23 10:45
TechrightsBot-tr@jovinosumicity: @schestowitz I hope not too. #mozilla #googleNov 23 10:45
schestowitzThey're competing in OSes and browsers, so it's unlikely to have materialiseNov 23 10:45
oiaohmschestowitz: ok SJVN is kinda wrong.Nov 23 10:47
oiaohmschestowitz: Mozilla is a foundation.Nov 23 10:48
oiaohmschestowitz: There is no way to sell Mozilla.Nov 23 10:48
oiaohmOnly thing google could do is pull funding from Mozilla and maybe it would go bankrupt.Nov 23 10:48
schestowitzOnce upona  time people used Windows while competing with MSNov 23 10:51
schestowitzNow you have many using Google Search and Android while competing with Google on search (e.g. MS staff) and in mobile, browsers, etc.Nov 23 10:52
schestowitz[10:48] <oiaohm> schestowitz: Mozilla is a foundation.Nov 23 10:52
schestowitzThat;s what I thought tooNov 23 10:52
schestowitzMaybe some commenters already pointed this out to himNov 23 10:52
DaemonFCThe Nokia Lumia is much cheaper.Nov 23 10:54
DaemonFC$126 for that vs like $400 for an Android phone.Nov 23 10:55
DaemonFCI guess the catch is that it's using Windows. :PNov 23 10:55
oiaohmDaemonFC: what phone are you comparing to.Nov 23 10:57
oiaohmDaemonFC: there are many 100 dollar phones with great specs.Nov 23 10:57
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oiaohmDaemonFC: the question I have is MS doing a bing with Nokia.Nov 23 11:00
oiaohmDaemonFC: ie under cost sales.Nov 23 11:00
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DaemonFCI might get Sprint.Nov 23 11:10
DaemonFCThey have a better price.Nov 23 11:10
DaemonFC$59 for a Galaxy S4 phone with two year contract.Nov 23 11:10
DaemonFCUnlimited text, data, and talk for $80 a monthNov 23 11:11
DaemonFCVerizon wanted like $99 up front for the same phone + $22 a month + $70 a month for unlimited everything.Nov 23 11:11
DaemonFCerr, T Mobile I meanNov 23 11:12
DaemonFCSo $12 a month more for the plan, and $40 more for the phoneNov 23 11:12
DaemonFCSo T-Mobile would cost $328 more for the two year term.Nov 23 11:12
DaemonFCI might get the LG G2.Nov 23 11:20
DaemonFCThat looks like a good phone.Nov 23 11:20
DaemonFCoiaohm: Is 16 GB enough storage for a phone?Nov 23 11:35
DaemonFCThe Nexus 5 doesn't have a microSD slot.Nov 23 11:35
DaemonFChow many apps can you install on that?Nov 23 11:40
schestowitzMinceR: http://hup.hu/cikkek/20130930/gnu_guix_0_4Nov 23 12:04
TechrightsBot-trhup.hu | GNU Guix 0.4 | HUP  [ http://ur1.ca/g336u ]Nov 23 12:04
oiaohmDaemonFC: really for me I like phones with SD slots.Nov 23 12:04
oiaohmDaemonFC: I have had a few phones completely die.Nov 23 12:05
oiaohmDaemonFC: please note I do IT and infrastructor.Nov 23 12:05
oiaohmDaemonFC: so I deal with company aquired phones.Nov 23 12:05
schestowitzhttp://www.howtogeek.com/172987/revive-your-old-pc-the-3-best-linux-systems-for-old-computers/Nov 23 12:05
TechrightsBot-trwww.howtogeek.com | Revive Your Old PC: The 3 Best Linux Systems For Old Computers  [ http://ur1.ca/g2sfr ]Nov 23 12:05
oiaohm DaemonFC ie about 80 odd.Nov 23 12:06
DaemonFCI was just wondering if 16 GB would be enough to install many appsNov 23 12:06
DaemonFCI think they only give 2 GB for apps, right?Nov 23 12:06
DaemonFCdoesn't sound like muchNov 23 12:06
oiaohmDaemonFC: 2 GB is quite a lot inside an android.Nov 23 12:06
oiaohmDaemonFC: thinking how many applications can be set to install majority in the data segment.Nov 23 12:07
oiaohmDaemonFC: android has the Linux nature where applications can be fragmented over many drives.Nov 23 12:09
schestowitzhttp://mostlysignssomeportents.tumblr.com/post/67840009692/liartownusa-apple-cabin-foods-no-8Nov 23 12:19
TechrightsBot-trmostlysignssomeportents.tumblr.com | Cory Doctorow: liartownusa:  Apple Cabin Foods No.8  [ http://ur1.ca/g33bd ]Nov 23 12:19
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sebsebsebiophk: MinceR oh Richard Stallman is going to love some of the pre installed apps they want Nov 23 14:59
iophkI hope at least jitsi is one of them.Nov 23 15:02
iophkFlash brings Windows-like insecurities.Nov 23 15:02
sebsebsebiophk: yep Flash with DRM is inNov 23 15:02
sebsebsebSKype is inNov 23 15:03
sebsebsebjitsi is inNov 23 15:03
sebsebsebetcNov 23 15:03
iophkThe bad apps should have click-through E ULA-like warnings when installing or being run for the first time.Nov 23 15:03
sebsebsebnope won't have that I guessNov 23 15:03
sebsebsebiophk: I am missing the normal meetng at the moment, I was a bit I may go I may not todyaNov 23 15:04
iophkSounds like this crew is out to prevent as much as they can.Nov 23 15:04
sebsebsebwhat do you mean by that?Nov 23 15:04
sebsebsebiophk: they are going to do a proper theme as well for it,  seems it's good I am out voted, I want to stick to offical artworkNov 23 15:05
iophkWell the good side is they won't spoil the image of the normal distrosNov 23 15:05
sebsebsebhow so?Nov 23 15:05
iophkIf they customize the appearance enough it won't look like anything else.Nov 23 15:06
sebsebsebwell yeah I suppouseNov 23 15:06
sebsebsebiophk: I think that's the idea to, to have loads of similarites between the three (not four bye mine)Nov 23 15:06
sebsebsebthe themeNov 23 15:07
sebsebsebandNov 23 15:07
sebsebsebpre installed appsNov 23 15:07
sebsebsebiophk: having mine withut the offical artwork , would have been a bit hmm, sinc that's the sort of stuff I care aboutNov 23 15:08
sebsebsebiophk: and have been inovled with  for feedback, the last two releasesNov 23 15:08
sebsebseband if you know any graphics designers pease let me know,  there are issues getting proposals for latest versionNov 23 15:09
iophkokNov 23 15:09
sebsebsebiophk: yeah I think your rightNov 23 15:09
sebsebsebabout the themeNov 23 15:09
sebsebsebI was a bit hm rather use offical artwork, but mine is out now anyway soNov 23 15:09
sebsebsebiophk: some people may want the offical thing installed I guess, but  I know what image they want, and I guess that could work for htisNov 23 15:10
sebsebsebiophk: seems it's easier for me now, I don't have to really try and push jitsi into the Magiea repo's  and things like thatNov 23 15:10
sebsebsebiophk: to prevent earlier, what did you mean in the context?Nov 23 15:12
iophkprevent mvement away from M$ and M$-style lifeNov 23 15:18
iophkbrbNov 23 15:20
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Sosumihttps://i.4cdn.org/k/src/1385220812297.gifNov 23 15:48
Sosumiwatch and laughNov 23 15:49
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SosumiDaemonFC, they're selling the galaxy note 3 here in PT for the same price of the LG G2Nov 23 17:02
Sosumihttp://www.pixmania.pt/smartphone/samsung-sm-n9005-galaxy-note-3-32-gb-preto-smartphone/21749757-a.htmlNov 23 17:05
TechrightsBot-trwww.pixmania.pt | SAMSUNG SM-N9005 Galaxy Note 3 32 GB - preto -  smartphone | Pixmania  [ http://ur1.ca/g358k ]Nov 23 17:05
Sosumiactually cheapersNov 23 17:05
Sosumi572€ of the note 3 vs 599€ of the G2Nov 23 17:05
Sosumihttp://www.fnac.pt/LG-G2-Black-Telemovel-Telemovel/a729149Nov 23 17:06
TechrightsBot-trwww.fnac.pt | LG G2 (Black), Telemóvel. Comprar na Fnac.pt  [ http://ur1.ca/g358q ]Nov 23 17:06
Sosumithe hypePhone goes for 799€ if you get the 32GB versionNov 23 17:07
Sosumiso for bang for the buck the note 3 is the champNov 23 17:07
Sosumithe nexus 5 isn't on sale yet in here so can't add it to the comparisonNov 23 17:08
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/michaellarabel/status/404249283248918528Nov 23 17:26
TechrightsBot-tr@michaellarabel: @schestowitz full screen ads generally show once per day per user and yield ~20x more revenue than conventional ads.Nov 23 17:26
schestowitzAll I'm trying to say is, some are truly annoyed by it. To the point of not wanting to access the site again.Nov 23 17:26
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MinceRschestowitz: HUP is full of m$ cultists and the likeNov 23 18:12
MinceRit's a shitty site, i rarely read itNov 23 18:12
DaemonFCI can't decide on a phone.Nov 23 18:46
DaemonFCThe LG G2 is nice, but they haven't said whether it will get the Android 4.4 update.Nov 23 18:46
DaemonFCIt'll be on the Black Friday sale for $50 if you get it from Sprint.Nov 23 18:46
DaemonFCThe Nexus 5 is nice .It's from Google, so obviously they'll be keeping it updated.Nov 23 18:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/michaellarabel/status/404318995630665729Nov 23 18:49
TechrightsBot-tr@michaellarabel: @schestowitz that's unfortunate but simply doing what is needed to be economically viableNov 23 18:49
schestowitzI know, that's the explanation I gave as well. Publishers, however, can't always relate to readers (and vice versa)Nov 23 18:50
DaemonFCI wonder if LG will upgrade the G2 to Android 4.4. If they are, I'd go with that.Nov 23 19:06
DaemonFCI've heard they've been bad about their updates though.Nov 23 19:06
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DaemonFCI can get the LG G2 for $20 with a two year Sprint contract.Nov 23 19:17
DaemonFCThat's a REALLY nice phone for that price.Nov 23 19:17
DaemonFCSprint is running an unadvertised special on Amazon.comNov 23 19:18
DaemonFCThe phone is normally like $150 after the subsidyNov 23 19:18
Sosumiwill LG snoop on all your files and network HDDs like they do with the tvs?Nov 23 19:20
Sosumisame question can be asked about other manufacturer's phonesNov 23 19:20
DaemonFCNo idea.Nov 23 19:21
Sosumiyeah :)Nov 23 19:21
DaemonFCThis phone has some nice hardware. They're getting to be quite fast.Nov 23 19:21
DaemonFC2.26 Ghz quad core Snapdragon 800. B-)Nov 23 19:21
SosumiI know the hardware, but, it doesn't convince meNov 23 19:22
Sosuminone of the phones available doNov 23 19:22
Sosumimaybe the nexus 5, because of it's pricing and open source androidNov 23 19:23
Sosumiand as also to do with the updatesNov 23 19:24
DaemonFCSprint tells me that when I activate the phone, it will update to Android 4.3.Nov 23 19:24
DaemonFCThe agent also says that Android 4.4 will be available soon.Nov 23 19:25
Sosumisamsung says they'll have kit kat on januaryNov 23 19:25
Sosumithat is all I knowNov 23 19:25
DaemonFCLG plans to release it next month.Nov 23 19:26
DaemonFCI guess I can use 4.3 for a few weeks.Nov 23 19:26
Sosumiwell niceNov 23 19:26
DaemonFCIt's not like it's a dinosaur. There's still people using 2.2 out there.Nov 23 19:26
DaemonFC:)Nov 23 19:26
Sosumithere's ppl still using 1998 cell phonesNov 23 19:26
SosumihintNov 23 19:27
SosumimeNov 23 19:27
Sosumibeen rocking a nokia 8210 nowNov 23 19:27
Sosumiit's very small and it does what it is supposed to doNov 23 19:27
Sosumibut I'm kind of looking for a new battery for my matrix phoneNov 23 19:28
Sosumihttp://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_8210-19.phpNov 23 19:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.gsmarena.com | Nokia 8210 - Full phone specifications  [ http://ur1.ca/g361x ]Nov 23 19:28
Sosumithis is the phone I'm using nowNov 23 19:28
Sosumino killswitchesNov 23 19:28
Sosuminor gps locatorNov 23 19:29
MinceRno gprs, no umts, no hspa, no lte, no tethering :>Nov 23 19:29
SosumiyeahNov 23 19:29
MinceRalso, no edgeNov 23 19:29
SosumiindeedNov 23 19:29
Sosumiit doesn't really matter when you carry a laptop with a 3g connectionNov 23 19:32
Sosumithat you can actually turn offNov 23 19:32
Sosumijust by ejecting the express card out of the laptopNov 23 19:33
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Sosumiand actually run an OS that you can trust/controlNov 23 19:34
iophkjust not the binary driversNov 23 19:34
iophkthose can contain anythingNov 23 19:34
Sosuminor the firmwaresNov 23 19:34
Sosumithose can also contain anythingNov 23 19:34
_GoblinSosumi, can I ask......how do you connect to the net?Nov 23 19:35
SosumiI use a machine just for thatNov 23 19:35
_Goblinright.....and an ISP I  assume?Nov 23 19:35
SosumiI do airgappingNov 23 19:36
Sosumiyeah, ISPNov 23 19:36
Sosumijust not mineNov 23 19:36
_GoblinDo you mind me asking what ISP?Nov 23 19:36
Sosumiat this moment it's ZONov 23 19:36
Sosumi*ZONNov 23 19:37
_Goblinand I assume you are subscribing to this service yourself?Nov 23 19:37
SosuminopNov 23 19:37
SosumiI'm not the subscriberNov 23 19:37
_Goblinok, but your not using it without permission I assume..Nov 23 19:37
Sosumilike I said, it's not mineNov 23 19:37
MinceRSosumi: fair enoughNov 23 19:38
SosumiI'm using it with permissionNov 23 19:38
SosumiI'm just not the subscriberNov 23 19:38
_Goblingood..so then the question that needs to be considered....Nov 23 19:38
Sosumithe subscriber is a shell companyNov 23 19:38
Sosumia non entity :PNov 23 19:38
_Goblinwhilst yes a proprietary anything could contain all sort of nasty spying code (for example).....Nov 23 19:39
_Goblinhow do you know whats being monitored at an ISP level (regardless of its its yours or not)Nov 23 19:39
Sosumieverything isNov 23 19:39
Sosumibecause I assume that everything I put out is free for everyone to seeNov 23 19:39
_Goblinthe point is, back doors in proprietary software may be a given.....however a GNU/Linux system can be equally as dangerous if people are lulled into a false sense of security.Nov 23 19:40
SosumiI just want what is inside my machine to be just for me to seeNov 23 19:40
_Goblinan encrypted usb drive would do that...Nov 23 19:40
_Goblinback doors or not...Nov 23 19:41
Sosumino one is saying that gnu/linux is safe, everything can be broken in a way or anotherNov 23 19:41
Sosumiwhat just doesn't hurt is for me, at least, to cover my tracksNov 23 19:41
_Goblinhell I'd even say you are secure on Windows if the only data you want private is encrypted on a usb device.Nov 23 19:41
_GoblinAnd statistically you don't need to cover tracks by the sheer number of other users..... Even the trigger words are a bit useless since there's a campaign to flood the net with them in order to confuse security agenciesNov 23 19:42
Sosumiwathever... I just don't want a mobile device in which I have no option to disconect the radio for sureNov 23 19:43
_GoblinBut here's the clever thing...The UK has the human rights act (and in particular the part that talks about "right to private life" snooping on users would be expressly forbidden however they are doing it by proxy (ie the US) who can send the info on.... I expect it works the other way around too.Nov 23 19:43
_GoblinDr Who starts in 5 minutes.....50th year.....I have as much interest in Dr Who now as I would in a copy of Windows XP thats been running for a decade online without being scanned for virus's.Nov 23 19:48
MinceR204112 < _Goblin> hell I'd even say you are secure on Windows if the only data you want private is encrypted on a usb device.Nov 23 19:49
MinceRif that device never comes in contact with the windows pc, that is :>Nov 23 19:49
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schestowitzMuktware has just responded to techrightsNov 23 20:48
schestowitzI asked, "Would you like me to set the record straight by appending your response?"Nov 23 20:48
schestowitzIt helps show where the FUD comes fromNov 23 20:48
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3326046Nov 23 20:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Senators Call #NSA Snooping Unnecessary to Security http://www.tomshardware.com/news/senators-nsa-snooping,25162.html "collection violated the Fourth Amendment."Nov 23 20:54
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.tomshardware.com | Senators Call NSA Snooping Unnecessary to Security  [ http://ur1.ca/g36kb ]Nov 23 20:54
schestowitz"Thing is, they can never be trusted. This secret shadow government can say they have stopped snooping, but there is no way to verify that."Nov 23 20:54
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3326037Nov 23 20:55
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #JAMESRISEN and #LAURAPOITRAS have explosive new report about the #nsa http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/us/politics/nsa-report-outlined-goals-for-more-power.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1385172349-LeDM5NEYVebwg6qIrtXFmwNov 23 20:55
TechrightsBot-tr-> myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times  [ http://ur1.ca/g31m7 ]Nov 23 20:55
schestowitz"With what has already been revealed, the NSA has already trashed Silicon Valley. No US technology company will be above suspicion, eventually even down to the silicon level. Once the trust is broken, it cannot be easily repaired. Cisco's financial reports are already reflecting this trend, which I expect to grow into a monumental shitstorm affeting the entire net-connected planet."Nov 23 20:55
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3326210Nov 23 20:55
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #NSA infected 50,000 computer networks with malicious software http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/11/23/nsa-infected-50000-computer-networks-with-malicious-software/ also infected a billion computers with #windowsNov 23 20:55
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.nrc.nl | NSA infected 50,000 computer networks with malicious software - nrc.nl  [ http://ur1.ca/g32co ]Nov 23 20:55
schestowitz"I assume you've seen this: James Risen and Laura Poitras, "N.S.A. Report Outlined Goals for More Power," New York Times, November 23, 2013, http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/us/politics/nsa-report-outlined-goals-for-more-power.html I don't have time right now to even begin to attempt to wrap my head around the degree of self-righteousness at work here."Nov 23 20:55
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schestowitz"Oh yeah, now I see you've seen it, just further back in your timeline. ;-)"Nov 23 20:56
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3324538Nov 23 20:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Telcos fight the 'good' fight against us 'terrorists' http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131122/00371425332/pressure-mounts-against-telcos-to-fess-up-about-their-involvement-nsa-surveillance.shtmlNov 23 20:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techdirt.com | Pressure Mounts Against Telcos To 'Fess Up About Their Involvement In NSA Surveillance | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/g36ky ]Nov 23 20:58
schestowitz"This is amazing, arguing that they have a First Amendment right to reveal how much info they actually share with the government. When people violate my email, it's called "sharing". When someone else listens to my canned music, it's called "stealing"."Nov 23 20:59
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3323901Nov 23 20:59
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Turning Mozilla #Thunderbird into a Phoenix http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/11/turning-thunderbird-into-a-phoenix/index.htm #mozillaNov 23 20:59
TechrightsBot-tr-> blogs.computerworlduk.com | Turning Mozilla Thunderbird into a Phoenix - Open Enterprise  [ http://ur1.ca/g30nv ]Nov 23 20:59
schestowitz"kmail2 is having serious problems with my mail. <a href="http://173.20.223.180/photoalbum/chron/2013/20130928-kmail2migration/">Migration was a disaster</a> and I'm still having problems. Most of the obnoxious errors have gone away and it looks like everything is in the indexes but I'm still unable to read some of my email with it and I can't search unless I turn on kde's obnoxious file indexing database. I'm going to try turning thatNov 23 20:59
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ http://173.20.223.180/photoalbum/chron/2013/20130928-kmail2migration/ )Nov 23 20:59
schestowitzon for email only to see if that fixes things."Nov 23 20:59
schestowitzIO moved from kmail to thunderbird 10 years agiNov 23 21:00
schestowitz I moved from kmail to thunderbird 10 years agoNov 23 21:00
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3326210Nov 23 21:01
schestowitz"The extra malware is probably because the NSA does not really trust Microsoft."Nov 23 21:01
schestowitzThe NSA has enough intel' to know what happens to MSFT partners :-)Nov 23 21:01
Sosumihttp://rt.com/usa/rockefeller-cyber-ndaa-commerce-168/Nov 23 21:04
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | Rockefeller attaches cybersecurity bill to NDAA 2014 — RT USA  [ http://ur1.ca/g36ly ]Nov 23 21:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/404303170815664128Nov 23 21:06
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Tux Machines Plans for 2014 and Beyond http://t.co/bY9eWeXixH #tuxmachines #gnu #linuxNov 23 21:06
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Plans for 2014 and Beyond | Tux MachinesNov 23 21:06
schestowitzSosumi: thanksNov 23 21:07
Sosumihttp://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/it-pro/business-it/microsoft-wins-spot-in-school-curriculum-20131120-hv3n3.htmlNov 23 21:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.brisbanetimes.com.au | Microsoft wins spot in school curriculum  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pxb ]Nov 23 21:28
Sosumiyou must always get them when they're young for the indoctrination to best most effectiveNov 23 21:28
Sosumithat's what Bertrand Russel used to sayNov 23 21:29
Sosumiso we get a bunch of M$ only zombies out of schoolNov 23 21:30
MinceRso do weNov 23 21:31
Sosumias for senator "rock-a-fella" attaching the cybersec. bill to the NDAA, well that was expectedNov 23 21:31
SosumiI'm just surprised it came so lateNov 23 21:32
Sosumimy university and phd programs with US universities like with the MIT and Connergie MellonNov 23 21:34
Sosumime going to the US? not even onceNov 23 21:34
SosumiI'm actually eyeballing something with the russian academy of sciencesNov 23 21:35
Sosumibut lets see what I can pull out next year for thatNov 23 21:35
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Sosumihttp://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/11/23/nsa-infected-50000-computer-networks-with-malicious-software/Nov 23 22:34
TechrightsBot-trwww.nrc.nl | NSA infected 50,000 computer networks with malicious software - nrc.nl  [ http://ur1.ca/g32co ]Nov 23 22:34
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iophkhttp://www.itworld.com/it-management/382961/eu-net-neutrality-proposal-threatens-privacy-says-data-protection-supervisorNov 17 08:26
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schestowitzpostedNov 17 09:02
iophkokNov 17 09:02
schestowitziophk:i the next two days will be productiveNov 17 09:02
schestowitztonight I work  but am free daytimeNov 17 09:02
schestowitztomorrow free all dayNov 17 09:02
iophkniceNov 17 09:02
schestowitzand wife is going to charge within a few minutes, so no distractionsNov 17 09:02
iophkThis digest is consistently active : http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/Nov 17 09:05
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3298201Nov 17 09:15
schestowitzWoohoo, a touch-screen on my TV! How does that work, I wonder? ... and how does my TV not end up all covered withttps://diasp.org/stream#h fingerprints? (ignoring the fact that it is now covered with dust)"Nov 17 09:15
schestowitziophk: what main sources are left for Linux news aggregation?Nov 17 09:15
iophkno real main onesNov 17 09:16
schestowitzI could think of LXer, LinuxToday, Linux.com, and Google NewsNov 17 09:16
schestowitzThere used to be moreNov 17 09:16
iophkGoogle news is poor in that regardNov 17 09:16
iophk /. used to cover a lot but not for a whileNov 17 09:16
iophkLinux.com has been picking up a lot but not necessarily so quickly.Nov 17 09:16
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3298304Nov 17 09:16
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3298304Nov 17 09:16
schestowitzMy Android phone creepily found some old "me" images ... meNov 17 09:16
schestowitzNot sure if you can see that or not ..Nov 17 09:16
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:16
schestowitziophk: linux.com also chooses off-topic stuffNov 17 09:17
schestowitzi.e. not linux-relayedNov 17 09:17
schestowitzlots of CBS/ZDNet stuffNov 17 09:17
iophkYes, I rarely visit.Nov 17 09:17
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:17
schestowitz... without my signing in to gmail or g+ as far as I can remember ...Nov 17 09:17
schestowitzLike the NSA, but they want to spam you with ads instead of putting you on a terris' list.Nov 17 09:17
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:17
iophkZDNet rarely covers anything relevant, with all those Microsofters on staff.Nov 17 09:17
schestowitzFSDaily and Digg were going for a whileNov 17 09:17
iophkDigg had an anti-ODF agenda from the staffNov 17 09:18
schestowitzThere are many pro-Microsoftr blogs inZDNetNov 17 09:18
schestowitzsome DEDICAREDNov 17 09:18
schestowitz*cATEDNov 17 09:18
iophkFSDaily is technically alive, but not getting over that threshold needed to pump daily articles through.Nov 17 09:18
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293056Nov 17 09:18
iophkJoinup sometimes has Linux newNov 17 09:18
iophknewsNov 17 09:18
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/allNov 17 09:18
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:19
schestowitzWhat I remember from my journalism class is different. There the explanation for the lede (I hate that spelling, but apparently it is correct) was that the assumption was that a reader was progressively less likely to read to the end of any story. The emphasis is therefore on putting the most important material first.Nov 17 09:19
schestowitzThis, of course, is its own kind of evil. Inevitably, the decision about what is most important in a story (hence the occasional criticism of "burying the lede") is somewhat arbitrary.Nov 17 09:19
schestowitzThe other factor is that news stories are written for an eighth-grade reading level. I haven't seen an adequate justification for this decision. We do, in the United States, have a very anti-intellectual society. But the anti-intellectuals aren't reading the newspaper anyway, and probably never were.Nov 17 09:19
schestowitzSo we have two things happening here: 1) a compression of the who, what, why, how, and where of a story into a thirty-word lede; and 2) dumbed-down, short sentences with small vocabulary words to avoid the accusation of intellectual snobbery.Nov 17 09:19
schestowitzThere's a lot to criticize here. But I don't attribute it to the need to fit a story around advertising. Notice my mother's point that lots of advertising means (counterintuitively to me, at least) more space for news. She claims they're keeping a certain ratio of news to advertising (but doesn't say what it is).Nov 17 09:19
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:19
schestowitziophk: no RSS feed for it last time I checkedNov 17 09:19
schestowitzand it's run mosrly by that one Danish guyNov 17 09:20
schestowitzwhose name I can't rememberNov 17 09:20
iophkI though he was DutchNov 17 09:20
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:20
schestowitzActually, Roy, the connotation of the word content was the crux of my disagreement with Will. And my mother (I really did try to phrase the question neutrally to her, but couldn't entirely) pulled the rug out from under me on that one.Nov 17 09:20
schestowitzI have to concede to my mother on this one. She's the one who's actually worked in newsrooms. If she agrees with (gasp) Stallman about the word content, then I have little choice.Nov 17 09:20
schestowitz"Nov 17 09:20
schestowitz"@Roy - I use Joomla mainly, so while I use Wordpress once or twice a month, I admit it's been a long time since I specifically went looking for if it did revisions (obviously). Thanks for updating my WP knowledge."Nov 17 09:20
iophkClose, he is Belgian.Nov 17 09:20
schestowitzChomsky says something along the lines of, to the media, "content" are the ads they show in between a show's segment and the show is "fill" -- something that use to keep the viewer watching between commercial breaks.Nov 17 09:21
schestowitziophk: ahNov 17 09:22
schestowitzmaybe FlemmishNov 17 09:22
schestowitzI thought it by the sameNov 17 09:22
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/all/feedNov 17 09:23
iophkIt has a RSS feed now.Nov 17 09:23
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277280Nov 17 09:23
schestowitz"I am so in over my head on this one..."Nov 17 09:24
schestowitziophk: my thunderbird broke after h/w issuesNov 17 09:24
schestowitzI can';t add new feeds :/Nov 17 09:24
schestowitzSo need some other sites to point me to hifglightsNov 17 09:24
iophkCan you export your configuration and then try a new profile?Nov 17 09:24
schestowitzbut anyway I'm never managing to keep on top of the RSS feeds anymoreNov 17 09:24
schestowitzFor a number of years I was able toNov 17 09:24
iophkThunderbird seems to corrupt from time to time.Nov 17 09:25
schestowitzThat would be too riskyNov 17 09:25
iophkTHere's also a newsletter subscription.Nov 17 09:25
schestowitzit also takes up a GB of RAM whenever I start itNov 17 09:25
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/people/mypageNov 17 09:25
schestowitzI live with this nuisance for months  nowNov 17 09:25
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293427Nov 17 09:25
schestowitz"The only thing I can say about Tor is that it is much, much faster than it used to be. Yes, it lags. But it is almost tolerable."Nov 17 09:25
iophkTor router in a box : http://www.bsdnow.tv/tutorials/openbsd-routerNov 17 09:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293443Nov 17 09:26
schestowitz"Jonathan Turley has a guest blog about something similar to this: Lawrence E. Rafferty, "Criminal Defendants and Wireless Wiretaps: One Small Victory?" Jonathan Turley.org, October 27, 2013, http://jonathanturley.org/2013/10/27/criminal-defendants-and-wireless-wiretaps-one-small-victory/ Withholding the truth about how evidence was actually obtained seems to be a real problem."Nov 17 09:26
schestowitz"I know it's slow at the moment, but surely a lot of that is due to the difference in the number of people using Tor versus being a Tor relay. If everyone was doing both, those numbers would even out more. I'll grant it would still be slower than what we have, but it would be a hell of a lot more secure, and faster than using Tor is currently, I'd think."Nov 17 09:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283858Nov 17 09:28
schestowitz"And the weighting that you'll give any specific piece of evidence."Nov 17 09:28
schestowitzgotra get some IRC posts out... bblNov 17 09:31
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schestowitz"Let me preface this by saying that I have no idea who's grinding this particular axe, be it a pro-Elop or anti-Elop faction, attaché or partisan. If Mr. Elop was, as his critics suggest, a trojan horse for Microsoft during his brief but turbulent tenure as Nokia's CEO, then he's certainly earned his spurs vis-a-vis the folks in Redmond, regardless of whether they're singing his praises in Keilaniemi."Nov 17 11:13
schestowitzhttp://seekingalpha.com/article/1833892-a-microsoft-spin-off-may-be-in-the-cards-regardless-of-ceo-pickNov 17 11:13
schestowitztechrights citedNov 17 11:13
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402077438353502208Nov 17 14:16
schestowitzDamn, i should never link to them againNov 17 14:16
iophkoldish - http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/08/new-api-severely-restricts-third-party-twitter-applications/Nov 17 14:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402078002147647488Nov 17 14:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/julian0liver/status/402090512322007041Nov 17 15:18
schestowitzhe made it ambiguous.Nov 17 15:18
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/flemingjude/status/402093718498328576Nov 17 15:35
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/402105893749129216Nov 17 16:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/402105957536133120Nov 17 16:09
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/402105893749129216Nov 17 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr@glynmoody: @julian0liver @schestowitz yes, but the point is he afterwards said he wasn't asked - because he was legally obliged to; his father isn't...Nov 17 16:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/402105957536133120Nov 17 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr@glynmoody: @schestowitz @julian0liver exactly; his father removes the ambiguityNov 17 16:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/flemingjude/status/402093718498328576Nov 17 16:14
TechrightsBot-tr@flemingjude: @schestowitz Found this today: http://t.co/kvRymLyh3U HugeNov 17 16:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402077438353502208Nov 17 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @schestowitz "http://t.co/Tk3svGIrP9 articles are only available to registered users" :(Nov 17 16:15
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402078002147647488Nov 17 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @schestowitz no idea... but I was pretty much wondering when they kicked me off that article :))Nov 17 16:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/julian0liver/status/402090512322007041Nov 17 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr@julian0liver: @glynmoody @schestowitz Linus himself admitted he was asked at Linuxcon http://t.co/uNDNeoRwwBNov 17 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.eweek.com | Linus Torvalds Talks Linux Development at LinuxConNov 17 16:15
schestowitzI got like 50 retweets of thisNov 17 16:15
schestowitzit's massive today (on a Sunday, too)Nov 17 16:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402110758747525120Nov 17 16:32
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @glynmoody @schestowitz @julian0liver no, he doesn't. Not really. It remains just as ambiguous as it was.Nov 17 16:32
schestowitzI can't see the ambiguityNov 17 16:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402111667221196800Nov 17 16:33
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @glynmoody @schestowitz @julian0liver he just sais what "people understood", no talk about facts...Nov 17 16:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402112438117470208 https://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402112784604745728Nov 17 16:43
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @schestowitz @glynmoody @julian0liver as said. The Message is about what people "understood", not about facts. Political Wording...Nov 17 16:43
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @glynmoody @schestowitz @julian0liver "2 answers, one is correct", he didn't say which one, only mentioned what "everybody understood".Nov 17 16:43
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iophkhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/15/jeremy-hammond-sentenced_n_4280738.htmlNov 17 18:07
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.com | Jeremy Hammond Sentenced To 10 Years In Prison  [ http://ur1.ca/g1xz6 ]Nov 17 18:07
iophkhttp://rt.com/usa/jeremy-hammond-sentence-nyc-785/Nov 17 18:09
iophk"The controversial case has also ensnared the presiding judge,   Loretta Preska, whose husband Thomas Kaveler was implicated in   the leaked emails."Nov 17 18:09
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | Stratfor hacker Jeremy Hammond sentenced to ten years in jail — RT USA  [ http://ur1.ca/g1xzi ]Nov 17 18:09
MinceRgeekingsNov 17 18:10
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zeth0/status/402139543224467456Nov 17 18:26
TechrightsBot-tr@zeth0: RT: #NSA tried to ask #Linus to Install Backdoors into #Linux - http://t.co/PdewxugL5c (v @schestowitz) (via @glynmoody)Nov 17 18:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> falkvinge.net | NSA Asked Linus Torvalds To Install Backdoors Into GNU/Linux - Falkvinge on InfopolicyNov 17 18:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3301809Nov 17 18:31
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The US DHS wants to treat people like cattle http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy/privacy_advcom_rpt_rfid_draft.pdf why not ask IBM for help? They helped Hitler.Nov 17 18:31
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schestowitz"ACK. That this is even up for discussion is... terrifying. Certainly heard rumors about this shit, but seeing it on paper is a whole other thing."Nov 17 18:31
iophkhttp://venturebeat.com/2013/11/16/friday-shame-facebook-reminds-you-that-your-posts-are-also-its-ads/Nov 17 18:37
TechrightsBot-trventurebeat.com | Friday Shame: Facebook reminds you that your posts are also its ads | VentureBeat  [ http://ur1.ca/g1y68 ]Nov 17 18:37
schestowitztaNov 17 18:41
schestowitzwill post laterNov 17 18:45
schestowitzmany articles coming tomorrowNov 17 18:45
schestowitzIRC logs and many posts releases on the SundayNov 17 18:45
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sebsebsebiophk: hmmNov 17 19:10
sebsebsebiophk: not sure, but I think he might be trying to cut my proposlas out, when I am still meant to be able to propse themNov 17 19:10
iophkit's possibleNov 17 19:11
iophkthe way the voting was described sounded suspicious.  Just roll ahead though.Nov 17 19:11
sebsebsebiophk: yeah, but I just got this emalNov 17 19:11
sebsebsebandNov 17 19:11
sebsebsebits unclearNov 17 19:11
sebsebsebiophk: sound like he won't add new proposals nwNov 17 19:11
sebsebsebor if they are lateNov 17 19:11
sebsebsebnot sure which it isNov 17 19:11
iophkJust roll ahead then.Nov 17 19:12
iophkYou got them finished yesterday.Nov 17 19:12
iophkOr the day before.Nov 17 19:12
sebsebsebiophk: If there are any late contributions I MAY need to add amendments to help run the meeting better.  I will NOT be adding any new proposals. Nov 17 19:12
sebsebsebwhat does that mean?Nov 17 19:12
iophkHard to say.  When did  you submit your proposals?Nov 17 19:13
sebsebsebiophk: I have't sent a upate yetNov 17 19:13
sebsebsebiophk: he's done his ordering thing already it seemsNov 17 19:13
iophkFinish sending it.Nov 17 19:13
sebsebsebthat he said he would do on o MondayNov 17 19:15
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iophkhttp://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/5265Nov 17 19:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.raspberrypi.org | TWO MILLION! | Raspberry PiNov 17 19:16
sebsebsebiophk: I'll show you on pastebin hold onNov 17 19:16
sebsebsebiophk: I think he may be trying to push my thing outNov 17 19:18
sebsebsebiophk: and probaby been tryng to do that without it seeming, so for weeksNov 17 19:18
iophkProbably but finish the proposals anyway.Nov 17 19:18
iophkOr the updatesNov 17 19:18
sebsebsebiophk: he probably doesn't like me or something, since he's nearly 60, and I am 26, so not on the same pageNov 17 19:18
iophkCould be.Nov 17 19:19
iophkYou should start an installfest like you initially talked about.Nov 17 19:19
sebsebsebso not thinking aike enough it seemsNov 17 19:19
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sebsebsebiophk: or I could re sign from the event and make that publiic on the LUG list or something?Nov 17 19:19
sebsebsebnot that many peope would care, but stillNov 17 19:20
iophkno point in making noiseNov 17 19:20
iophkno return on the effortNov 17 19:20
iophkwill you get the updates in today?Nov 17 19:20
sebsebsebiophk: I am not sure if he wil still take any updatesNov 17 19:24
iophkSend them and find out.Nov 17 19:24
sebsebsebiophk: see my pmNov 17 19:25
iophkHe's succeeded in making it bureaucratic.Nov 17 19:26
iophkSend your updates anyway.Nov 17 19:26
sebsebsebiophk: how?Nov 17 19:26
sebsebsebiophk: now it' more confussingNov 17 19:26
sebsebsebhow am I meant to put in my updaes?Nov 17 19:26
iophkThe way you would have done them yesterday.Nov 17 19:27
sebsebsebiophk: ,but now he's orderd some propssl etcNov 17 19:27
sebsebsebiophk: what does bureaucratic mean exactly? it's a politcla termNov 17 19:27
iophkpaperworkNov 17 19:29
iophkrather than task-orientedNov 17 19:29
sebsebsebis that what it means?Nov 17 19:29
sebsebsebhe's always been about his forms etcNov 17 19:29
sebsebsebfrom the beginigngNov 17 19:29
sebsebsebiophk: the meeting notes etcNov 17 19:29
sebsebsebwhat do you mean paperwork rather than task-oriented?Nov 17 19:30
iophkhttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bureaucraticNov 17 19:30
TechrightsBot-tren.wiktionary.org | bureaucratic - Wiktionary  [ http://ur1.ca/g1ye6 ]Nov 17 19:30
sebsebsebI  was on hat page before I Think or whateverNov 17 19:31
iophkcomplex, inefficientNov 17 19:31
MinceRlike windows?Nov 17 19:32
sebsebsebohama: structure and regulations to control someting?Nov 17 19:32
sebsebsebis that what it means?Nov 17 19:32
iophkrules for the sake of rulesNov 17 19:32
iophkoften conflicting and contradictoryNov 17 19:32
iophkMinceR: like Windows exactlyNov 17 19:32
MinceR:)Nov 17 19:32
sebsebsebiophk: rules that confuse peopleNov 17 19:33
sebsebseband cause problems?Nov 17 19:33
iophkyepNov 17 19:33
sebsebsebwanting to do a vote weeks laterNov 17 19:33
sebsebsebon the tech stuffNov 17 19:33
sebsebsebafter doing fudning and venueNov 17 19:33
sebsebsebwhen should have decided the tech stuff propery earlier on!Nov 17 19:33
sebsebseb?Nov 17 19:33
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sebsebsebwhat happended there?Nov 17 19:34
iophknetworkingNov 17 19:34
sebsebseb[19:33] <sebsebseb> wanting to do a vote weeks laterNov 17 19:34
sebsebseb[19:33] <sebsebseb> on the tech stuffNov 17 19:34
sebsebseb[19:33] <sebsebseb> after doing fudning and venueNov 17 19:34
sebsebseb[19:33] <sebsebseb> when should have decided the tech stuff propery earlier on!Nov 17 19:34
sebsebseb[19:33] <sebsebseb> ?Nov 17 19:34
iophkyeah, doing stuff backwardsNov 17 19:35
sebsebsebwell he wantd to see demo's of remasters, I coudn't make mine yet, but that's not realy itNov 17 19:35
sebsebsebwe coud have talked more proeprly about distros and interfaces at the begiingNov 17 19:35
sebsebseband  made more concrete decisons thenNov 17 19:36
sebsebseb,but  at the meetings he wanted ot ignore the tech stuffNov 17 19:36
sebsebsebhe didn't want to discuss it muchNov 17 19:36
sebsebsebhe wanted to focus on other thngs,  and  try and get the bus etc, he wasn't happy after that first meeting, when it ended later, becuase we talked tech stuff toNov 17 19:36
sebsebseband so he din't get his busNov 17 19:36
iophkhiding behind papers and making up rulesNov 17 19:36
iophkJust send your updates and not worry.Nov 17 19:37
sebsebsebiophk: yeah and not seeing things from differnet angles it seems toNov 17 19:37
sebsebsebpeoples difernet review points and whyNov 17 19:37
sebsebsebiophk: and if he starts sayign he won't accept new propslas now?Nov 17 19:37
sebsebsebwhta do I sayNov 17 19:37
sebsebsebthat he said I had until MondayNov 17 19:37
iophkyepNov 17 19:37
sebsebsebor Monday evening eenNov 17 19:37
iophkand you're thus getting the updates in earlyNov 17 19:37
sebsebsebon timeNov 17 19:38
sebsebsebnot early, but on tme sureNov 17 19:38
sebsebsebiophk: well in this time zone there's four hours and  a bit left of SundayNov 17 19:38
sebsebsebso I guess I need to get my concrete proposal emaild before Sunday is over!Nov 17 19:38
sebsebsebthen I can realy say, if he start,s that he said I had untll MondayNov 17 19:39
iophkIf you get them in on Sunday, they are early.Nov 17 19:39
sebsebseband that he also sai he would organise things on Monday not SundayNov 17 19:39
sebsebsebhe's orgnaised today, but he said he would on MondayNov 17 19:39
sebsebsebMonday/Tueday he didn't say SundayNov 17 19:39
sebsebsebiophk: ok help me, you saw that thing, what am  I am going to put exactly?Nov 17 19:40
sebsebsebiophk: in fact I got an ideaNov 17 19:40
sebsebsebMinceR: come help to if you wantNov 17 19:40
sebsebsebI am going to do a piratepad :)Nov 17 19:40
sebsebsebiophk: so you can help me edit the document that's the idea :)Nov 17 19:42
iophkThere's not much to add I thought.Nov 17 19:42
sebsebsebiophk: well ther is and isn't, I'll show you what I did yesterday  on this as well, but I Think not  quite ike what I did yesterday, uh Friday atsulyNov 17 19:43
sebsebsebiophk: http://piratepad.net/Q4DtWAgAGSNov 17 19:43
TechrightsBot-trpiratepad.net | PiratePad: Q4DtWAgAGSNov 17 19:43
sebsebsebgo thereNov 17 19:43
sebsebsebiophk: it loaded up ok I guessNov 17 19:45
_Goblin:) Hi allNov 17 19:53
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sebsebsebiophk: MinceR backcomputer issuesNov 17 20:00
iophkokNov 17 20:00
sebsebseband I see you both left the padNov 17 20:00
sebsebsebiophk: MinceR isn't it a bit strange to have Unity, but no GNOME ShellNov 17 20:01
sebsebseband  Cinnaon, but no GNOME Shel to in a wayNov 17 20:01
iophkok mate instead of cinnamonNov 17 20:01
sebsebsebaltough UNity is what it is, since Canonal didn't want go go with GNOME Shell for the desktopNov 17 20:01
sebsebseband  both Cinnamon and Mate exist, since the GNOME 3 disikersNov 17 20:01
sebsebsebiophk: no I jus think GNOME 3 GNOME Shll should be there sine it's a major upstrema projectNov 17 20:02
sebsebseb,but they don't seem to think soNov 17 20:02
sebsebsebalso GNOME Shell is better than UnityNov 17 20:02
sebsebsebiophk: they just want Windows like interfaces really, and they might do Uity to it seemsNov 17 20:02
sebsebseb,but I think GNOME Shell should be there to if UnityNov 17 20:02
sebsebseb,but then what distro is goign to have ti Mageia? if it's one distro per interface,  and they want 3 distros reallyNov 17 20:03
iophksimplification by having oneNov 17 20:03
sebsebsebiophk: it was maybe easier at the bbeinign 2 or 3 distros, and we had only 3, and then the Uuntu guy joined us and we got four hmmNov 17 20:03
sebsebsebiophk: irght, it seems KDE is going to be used in openSUSENov 17 20:03
sebsebseband so Magiea is out, unless I can persuade them to use it for GNOME Nov 17 20:03
iophkKDE in MageiaNov 17 20:04
sebsebsebit semsNov 17 20:04
sebsebsebiophk: we would want that, but the others nopeNov 17 20:04
sebsebsebthey sem to want KDE in openSUSE you seen the proposalsNov 17 20:04
sebsebseb3 or 4 vs 1 I am out voted for that one thenNov 17 20:04
iophkKeep talking with them individuallyNov 17 20:04
sebsebsebiophk: I can try with GNOME 3, but I think that's not going to get used as wellNov 17 20:04
MinceRsebsebseb: i don't care for gnome shell eitherNov 17 20:04
iophkGNOME is over.Nov 17 20:04
sebsebsebI have one shot it seems to get Mageia in, and that's GNOMENov 17 20:05
iophkMate instead of GnomeNov 17 20:05
sebsebsebunless I realy can persaaude the propery why it should be used instead of openSUSE for KDE, maybeNov 17 20:05
iophkOr KDE on MageiaNov 17 20:05
sebsebsebthey won't have KDE on Mageia,  that's what I am saying, I don't think they will go with that, since they want openSUSE for thatNov 17 20:05
sebsebsebalso if it's one interface per distro, what's going to run Mate?Nov 17 20:06
sebsebsebif  Mint is doing Cinnamon, Open SUSE is KDE, what's going ot run Mate?   there's no live sesssion of Mate unforuatnly for MageiaNov 17 20:06
sebsebsebreally Mate just exists since the GNOME 3 whiner same with CinnamonNov 17 20:08
sebsebseband yeah looks ike we having Uuntu twice then, with those minor MInt diffeerncesNov 17 20:08
iophkMint is reduntant if Ubuntu is there.  It just has toxic mono that needs to be removed to make it ok.Nov 17 20:09
sebsebsebwe been through that many times alreadyNov 17 20:09
iophkyepNov 17 20:09
sebsebseb,but that's now how they see things it seemsNov 17 20:09
sebsebsebthat's not how they see things it seemsNov 17 20:09
iophkdid you write to them lately?Nov 17 20:10
sebsebsebI even did a meail before to them before saying how simlar          Ubuntu and Mint were and all thatNov 17 20:10
sebsebseb,but made no differenceNov 17 20:10
iophkI think the earlier suggestion about putting things on paper would have been good.Nov 17 20:10
sebsebsebputting what on paper?Nov 17 20:11
sebsebsebI done a few opinion emails before, if that's what you meanNov 17 20:11
iophkYour ideasNov 17 20:11
sebsebseb I didNov 17 20:11
sebsebsebI did a few emailsNov 17 20:11
iophkthen discussing them with the groupNov 17 20:11
iophke-mail != paperNov 17 20:11
sebsebsebweren't always properly understood by this older guy, but stillNov 17 20:11
iophkpaper = paperNov 17 20:11
sebsebsebI also tried to discus tings a bit at meetings Nov 17 20:11
sebsebsebiophk: I have to make a prposl forNov 17 20:12
sebsebsebiophk: well I gues my general idea the longer thingNov 17 20:12
sebsebsebor somethingNov 17 20:12
sebsebsebiophk: I was gong to put my Friday stuff to onto the piratepad, but I see you left it agianNov 17 20:12
sebsebsebiophk: for me I think, Cinnamon and Mate are a comboNov 17 20:13
sebsebsebin my eyes they arereallyNov 17 20:13
iophkthe sameNov 17 20:13
sebsebseband I think if having Unity shoud have GNOME Shell, since they are similer intefacesNov 17 20:13
sebsebsebI also think in the case of LXDE and XFCE don't really need both for this kind of thing, since they are so similarNov 17 20:13
iophk4b 4cNov 17 20:13
sebsebsebI like the combo idea's, but yet he's got this idea one distro per interfaceNov 17 20:14
sebsebsebGNOME and KDE tend to go together in distro's toNov 17 20:14
sebsebsebhence why I was trying to sugget  Mageia for both, or with Open Suse  and such,  and then I was thinking I could propse at least one interface in Mageia, if not the other or osomethingNov 17 20:14
sebsebsebiophk: I got the general idea, but I need to put it down propery into this thing it seems, and that's what I am trying to get help with here :)Nov 17 20:15
sebsebsebiophk: and 4b and 4c are no good I ThinkNov 17 20:15
iophkThen modify themNov 17 20:15
sebsebsebiophk: since Mageia doesn't have Live sessions, for anything,but KDE and GNOMENov 17 20:15
sebsebseban remember it's the remasterd live sesions idea they are going withNov 17 20:16
iophkXUbuntu or Lubuntu have liveNov 17 20:16
sebsebsebwell yeah, butNov 17 20:16
sebsebsebI don't think those wil be in eitherNov 17 20:16
sebsebsebsince if Ubuntu is in it will be for UnityNov 17 20:16
sebsebsebit seemsNov 17 20:16
sebsebseband that's itNov 17 20:16
iophkThey will be if you propose themNov 17 20:17
sebsebsebI tried that in something before to actsllyNov 17 20:17
sebsebsebiophk: I'll show you what I did on Friday i that piratpead hold onNov 17 20:17
sebsebseb,but htis all confusisng so many thigns i could proposeNov 17 20:17
iophkWrite them down and then prioritize.Nov 17 20:17
sebsebsebiophk: I started doing that on FRiday or kind of I thinkNov 17 20:18
sebsebsebiophk: ok fond the document from FridayNov 17 20:21
sebsebsebI'll put the contents on the pirpatpad now for you to seeNov 17 20:21
sebsebsebiophk: at the bottom of it see?Nov 17 20:22
iophkYESNov 17 20:23
sebsebsebiophk: yep so tere's that and I coul added more then I thought....  and I got this other idea that I'll type up in thre now as wellNov 17 20:23
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sebsebsebiophk: are you still seeing what I put there etc?Nov 17 20:31
iophkyesNov 17 20:31
Sosumihp suspended sales of chromebook 11Nov 17 20:32
iophksosumi: overheatingNov 17 20:32
iophk?Nov 17 20:32
Sosumiapparently due to overheating power adaptorsNov 17 20:32
SosumiyeajhNov 17 20:32
sebsebsebSosumi: oepnSUSE is going to make me qutie annoyed on Tuesday probably!Nov 17 20:34
Sosumialso bitcoin is at almost 350€, which isn't bad at allNov 17 20:35
Sosumiwhat the hell is a openSUSE? :PNov 17 20:35
sebsebsebSosumi: uhmm a Linux distro that MinceR has strong feelings of love for!Nov 17 20:35
SosumiI was just trolling :PNov 17 20:36
Sosumiat this moment only red hat and arch get my loveNov 17 20:36
sebsebsebSosumi: well openSUSE wil probably realy annoy me on TuesdayNov 17 20:37
Sosumiwhy?Nov 17 20:37
sebsebsebwhen Magiea probaly gets out voted by it!Nov 17 20:37
sebsebsebfor this eventNov 17 20:37
SosumisadNov 17 20:37
sebsebsebwell yeah it is in my caseNov 17 20:37
sebsebsebsince I been spending time doing stuff for this event, thinking Mageia would be in, and then well hmmNov 17 20:38
SosumiMageia = magician, why not say that if Mageia is voted inNov 17 20:38
SosumiGandalf would show upNov 17 20:38
sebsebsebSosumi: iophk  I think Mageia is a hard sale really her and there, and Thistelweb was saying that kind of stuff to me on Friday night toNov 17 20:39
Sosumiit'd be a nice PRNov 17 20:39
sebsebsebeven to get Linux users distro hopping to itNov 17 20:39
iophkyesNov 17 20:39
sebsebsebthat at times can be a hard sale I guessNov 17 20:39
sebsebsebiophk: what are you saying yes to /Nov 17 20:39
sebsebseb?Nov 17 20:39
iophkget Linux users distro hopping to itNov 17 20:39
sebsebsebsome haveNov 17 20:39
sebsebseb,but there's loads ofo ther ones out there Fedora etNov 17 20:40
sebsebsebcNov 17 20:40
iophkJust have the discs in your bag of swag to hand outNov 17 20:40
sebsebsebiophk: at the event yesNov 17 20:40
iophkFedora is another good choice but not so great as an introNov 17 20:40
sebsebsebif they can''t agree to just have it on a table or whatverNov 17 20:40
iophknot on a table...Nov 17 20:40
iophkyou have to give out swag in personNov 17 20:40
sebsebsebI can still bring some discs along and try and gie out to peope I guessNov 17 20:40
sebsebsebif I annoy a few of the other organisers whilst at itNov 17 20:40
sebsebsebso be it I guessNov 17 20:40
iophkso be itNov 17 20:41
sebsebsebit's not like they are my friendsNov 17 20:41
sebsebsebat the end of the day anyway, as has been recenty shown even more to meNov 17 20:41
sebsebsebiophk: what are they going to do arrest me? heh hehNov 17 20:41
iophktazerNov 17 20:41
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sebsebsebiophk: I am going to try and put that recent idea that I did on the piratepadNov 17 20:42
sebsebsebito their style on thereNov 17 20:42
sebsebsebfor you to seeNov 17 20:42
sebsebsebI think that's the way to doitNov 17 20:42
sebsebsebiophk: he did ai if gnome oneNov 17 20:42
sebsebsebotehrwise it's like going through distor,s saying  if  that this interfac, if this that interface etcNov 17 20:42
iophkyeah but it looked negative on gnomeNov 17 20:42
iophkLike I wrote, deciding the DE should come before the distros.Nov 17 20:43
sebsebsebwhat do you mean it looks negative on GNOME?  that GNOME 3 probably won't be in?Nov 17 20:43
iophkRightNov 17 20:43
sebsebsebwell he's not done it that wayNov 17 20:43
sebsebsebhe's done interfaces and distros togetherNov 17 20:43
MinceRtazer? but i don't even know 'er!Nov 17 20:43
sebsebsebiophk: maybe he's being negatie to GNOME 3 as you jst caled itNov 17 20:43
sebsebsebiophk: sice I made it clear enough I was posbilly wanting GNOME 3 in MageiaNov 17 20:43
sebsebsebI mean he has usedFedora himself this guyNov 17 20:44
sebsebseband so GNOME 3 for qute a while, altough he's likieing Mint and Cinnamon nowNov 17 20:44
sebsebsebiophk: if KDE I propse..Nov 17 20:44
sebsebsebifGNOME I PROSE...Nov 17 20:44
sebsebsebiophk: I think bothGNOME 3 and Magea are out some how thoughNov 17 20:45
sebsebseband I wanted both for the eventNov 17 20:45
sebsebsebhmmNov 17 20:45
sebsebsebI can try and that's it reallyNov 17 20:45
sebsebsebiophk: and I can get voted out on Tueday if I even bother goign to that in the endNov 17 20:45
iophkyepNov 17 20:45
sebsebseband get votedo ut probaby and then I can say soething about the vote not being fair etcNov 17 20:45
sebsebsebat the end or whateverNov 17 20:45
sebsebsebif I want to do thatNov 17 20:45
iophkstay if mageia stays?Nov 17 20:46
sebsebsebiophk: actsually I know  I would hae reacted to the being voted out possbly if I was 19 stil which I am notNov 17 20:46
sebsebsebsince something that happended....Nov 17 20:46
sebsebsebiophk: I could ask them as wlelNov 17 20:46
sebsebsebdo you still want me tovolunteer with this event or what?Nov 17 20:46
iophkWhat about #8 on the pad there?Nov 17 20:46
sebsebsebnot quite sure how I am going to react on Tueday if at that meetingNov 17 20:46
sebsebsebiophk: yeah I could try that maybeNov 17 20:47
sebsebseb,but I don't think they would like thatNov 17 20:47
iophkhave to try IMHONov 17 20:47
sebsebseband really the proposals have now been don anywayNov 17 20:48
sebsebsebdistro and interface  or  for yeahNov 17 20:48
iophkhe may not know the difference between a DE and a distroNov 17 20:48
sebsebseboh I think he doesNov 17 20:48
sebsebsebhe just thinks they are so simlar or whateverNov 17 20:48
iophkdoesn't sound like itNov 17 20:49
sebsebsebiophk: it's the uster expereinceNov 17 20:49
sebsebseband then distribution differences etcNov 17 20:49
sebsebsebI think he thinks they just go together  mainlyNov 17 20:49
sebsebsebiophk: not sure if I can do 8  though in the documentNov 17 20:50
sebsebsebsince it's meant to be a proposal for distros and interfaceNov 17 20:50
iophkIt's a proposalNov 17 20:50
sebsebsebthat will justwind them upNov 17 20:50
sebsebsebI thinkNov 17 20:50
sebsebsebor him upNov 17 20:50
iophkbecause they can't tell a distro from a DE?Nov 17 20:50
sebsebsebiophk: and even if that' done, I guess hten it wil be like,  Cinnamon KDENov 17 20:51
sebsebsebGNOME2Nov 17 20:51
sebsebsebiophk: did he really mean Mate when he aidGNOEM 2Nov 17 20:51
iophkProbablyNov 17 20:51
sebsebsebor  does he not know the difference between GNOME 2 and Mate?Nov 17 20:51
sebsebsebwhy didhe put GOME 2 andn ot MateNov 17 20:51
iophkprobably confused the twoNov 17 20:51
sebsebsebiophk: also why did he put  the oldmeetig date, into the hwat yu going to bring subject, insteado of the nwer?Nov 17 20:51
sebsebsebiophk: I think I can put 8 in a meal Nov 17 20:52
sebsebsebor suggest that for the agenda or somethingNov 17 20:52
sebsebsebiophk: to be honest I been sressed out orwhatever with this guy since the last LUG meetingNov 17 20:53
sebsebsebat the end of last monthNov 17 20:53
iophkI gatherNov 17 20:53
sebsebsebwhen he basically said you either do a remaster or...Nov 17 20:53
sebsebsebthe ultimatum thingNov 17 20:53
sebsebsebthen the proposal vote stuff in his way on the 7th etcNov 17 20:54
sebsebsebiophk: I am glad I am not canlleing my other group  over this meetngNov 17 20:54
sebsebsebgot it changed from Thursday to TuesdayNov 17 20:54
sebsebsebI think I Nee to go on Thursday :) not been a while now and yeah, it's ogodNov 17 20:54
sebsebsebspeaking groupNov 17 20:54
sebsebsebiophk: learn to public speak proeryNov 17 20:55
sebsebsebget evaulated and suchNov 17 20:55
iophkusefulNov 17 20:55
sebsebsebdo something with "average people"  most of them don't know cmputer stuff ofcourse, but yeahNov 17 20:55
sebsebsebiophk: right let's try and do a proposl in that style etc with the latest ideaNov 17 20:56
sebsebseband I guess that's that reallyNov 17 20:56
iophkokNov 17 20:56
sebsebseb,but I am doing on hte piratepad first so you can seeNov 17 20:56
iophkI like #8 bestNov 17 20:56
sebsebsebiophk: I mean I can propse loads of things,bbut I think I Just need to do suff in a way that makes senseNov 17 20:56
sebsebsebI like 8 as well, but I can't really put in the document itself, in a meail I guess I canNov 17 20:56
iophkYou can, it's a proposal.Nov 17 20:57
sebsebsebiophk: proposal is meant to be for distros and interfaces thoughNov 17 20:57
sebsebsebwhich ones to haveNov 17 20:57
sebsebsebbeing speicifc etcNov 17 20:57
iophkand thus it is on topicNov 17 20:57
iophkit is specificNov 17 20:57
sebsebsebI guess as a ike first proposalNov 17 20:57
sebsebsebI can put thatNov 17 20:57
sebsebseblike he suggestd the guy made a cut downNov 17 20:57
sebsebsebor  his if  gnome  suggeste GNOME 2Nov 17 20:58
sebsebsebiophk: do I order it, and put 8 as the ifrst one in this ting?Nov 17 20:58
sebsebsebor uhNov 17 20:58
sebsebsebthat's what confuses me to the numbers and  lettersNov 17 20:58
iophkYeahNov 17 20:58
iophkThe numbers and letters *are* confused.Nov 17 20:58
iophkJust arrange them so they make sense.  Nov 17 20:58
sebsebsebyeah need some hep wit that to I ThinkNov 17 20:59
sebsebsebthat's what I am going to try ow, put my stuff in, but in the latest documentNov 17 20:59
sebsebsebin that style etcNov 17 20:59
sebsebsebiophk: if interfaces are decded and they say no GNOME 3Nov 17 21:00
sebsebsebI can't just show GNOME 3 or uhNov 17 21:00
sebsebsebor  I can't get Mageia in  on  GNOME 3Nov 17 21:00
sebsebsebif  its 8 first,  it may just rule out how I am trying to get Mageia in seeNov 17 21:00
iophkthen negotiate mageia on some other DE Nov 17 21:00
sebsebsebther's only KDE and GNOME as optiosn for MageiaNov 17 21:01
sebsebsebsince  no live sessions for anything else unfortunattlyNov 17 21:01
sebsebseband it's remasters,  and I am not going to try and get something unoffical made forsome other DE or whatever you knwNov 17 21:01
iophkTHen they'll have to rethink the remaster thing after picking DENov 17 21:01
sebsebsebno they won'tNov 17 21:01
sebsebsebwhat happended is this atsulyNov 17 21:02
sebsebsebone of the first things that got decidd thefirst thing infactNov 17 21:02
sebsebsebin the first or second meeting, was to go with remastersNov 17 21:02
iophkWhy are you wasting time on them if they are so backwards and inflexible?Nov 17 21:02
sebsebsebiNov 17 21:02
iophkI would think they'd come around.Nov 17 21:02
sebsebsebI rememer sayig to a guy I'll look into itNov 17 21:02
sebsebsebiophk: nope seem really stuborn on the remasters idea'sNov 17 21:02
sebsebseband  giving them out on USB'sNov 17 21:02
iophkLOLNov 17 21:03
sebsebseboh, but Windows will reformat the USB you said beforeNov 17 21:03
sebsebsebuhmmm right yeah, but no I didn't tell them that yetNov 17 21:03
iophkyepNov 17 21:03
sebsebsebiophk: I guess who cares thenNov 17 21:03
sebsebsebif it's openSUSE o the USB :dNov 17 21:03
sebsebsebor whateverNov 17 21:03
sebsebsebyou kjnow non Mageia stuff :dNov 17 21:03
iophkthat's the place for itNov 17 21:04
iophkbut give out the Mageia discs as swagNov 17 21:04
sebsebsebok  maybe slightly bad for Mint   and  Ubuntu if they get reformtted like thatNov 17 21:04
sebsebseb,but openSUSE I wouwdn't careNov 17 21:04
sebsebsebiophk: yes that's what I amgoing to try and do if it's voted out, tostll gie out Magiea dics as swagNov 17 21:04
sebsebsebwhat's the place for what above?  were you saying openSUSE should get reformatted?Nov 17 21:05
iophkyesNov 17 21:05
sebsebsebheh hheh yeah I guessNov 17 21:05
sebsebsebas for the word inflexible bingoNov 17 21:05
sebsebsebthat's  exactly what he seems to be, stubborn stuck in his ways/ideas and inflexibleNov 17 21:05
sebsebsebhis way or wel that's it reallyNov 17 21:05
iophkI think if you had worked on real paper earlier , there might have been more flexiblity Nov 17 21:06
sebsebsebwell weNov 17 21:06
iophkHard to say.  I wasn't there, obviouslyNov 17 21:06
sebsebsebwell he just did meetng notes on paperNov 17 21:06
sebsebseband put the agenda on paper for meeting,s and that was abot it reallyNov 17 21:07
iophknot meeting notes.  Idea plansNov 17 21:07
sebsebsebthen we did things via email here and there, and meetingsNov 17 21:07
sebsebsebgetting idea's out in emails didn't work so well I found though in genralNov 17 21:07
iophkOld people, especially, need things on paper. Talking does nothing.Nov 17 21:07
iophkNothing.Nov 17 21:07
sebsebseband  I also foun that the meetings didn't really have enough time tocover the ida's properly, and other htingsNov 17 21:07
sebsebsebiophk: yeah indeed the old pepole like paper Nov 17 21:07
sebsebsebin general it seemsNov 17 21:07
sebsebsebiophk: and explaining things in emal he didn't always understnd me right either etcNov 17 21:08
iophknope.  e-mail is not paper eitherNov 17 21:08
iophkit's about as big a waste as talking, to someNov 17 21:08
sebsebsebyep seems soNov 17 21:08
sebsebsebI guesNov 17 21:08
sebsebsebiophk: I felt like I coudn't reason with tis guypropery at tmesNov 17 21:09
sebsebsebI think thtat's the wrod not sure qiteNov 17 21:09
iophkright because you talked and he needed paper -- I guessNov 17 21:09
sebsebsebget my points across  right, with him understanidng etcNov 17 21:09
sebsebsebiophk: and he would crtise some of my eals toNov 17 21:09
sebsebseb,beause they weren't short enoughNov 17 21:09
sebsebsebemails aboveNov 17 21:09
sebsebsebiophk: he wants short and to the point etcNov 17 21:10
sebsebsebnot may wordsNov 17 21:10
sebsebsebiophk: I guess even if Mageia is out, this is stil a learning thing reallyNov 17 21:10
sebsebsebI haven't done this kind of thing beforeNov 17 21:10
sebsebsebiophk: you know got to twist the negatives aroudn into postives, and learn things, and move on with lieNov 17 21:11
iophkyepNov 17 21:11
sebsebseblifeNov 17 21:11
sebsebsebiophk: how old are you anyway?Nov 17 21:11
iophkfor a cabbage?Nov 17 21:11
sebsebsebhuh?Nov 17 21:11
iophkhave you told him flat out that it is important that Mageia be in?Nov 17 21:12
iophk(In short words?)Nov 17 21:12
sebsebsebnopeNov 17 21:12
iophkSooner the better...Nov 17 21:12
sebsebsebiophk: maybe it isn't so bad it not being in, I mean won't hae to worry about the reputiaot of the projectNov 17 21:13
iophkTrueNov 17 21:13
sebsebseboh  the remater may have some issue in it that, the offical won't have, even though it was just stuff from offical repo's put in itNov 17 21:13
iophkMaybe plan an installfest later.Nov 17 21:13
sebsebsebor  oh the remaster may gie the wrong impression to people what Mageia is about etcNov 17 21:13
iophkthat's what any remaster doesNov 17 21:13
sebsebsebiophk: well the whole idea o doing installs was out since how only had a efw hoursNov 17 21:13
iophkit's not the same as a stock ISONov 17 21:13
sebsebsebtrueNov 17 21:14
iophkYes but at another event with other peopleNov 17 21:14
sebsebsebiophk: esspeialy if htey start changing the grub  2 screen o it andsuchNov 17 21:14
iophkyou can pick the people firstNov 17 21:14
sebsebsebwith somestuff for hte eventNov 17 21:14
sebsebsebLUG contact detais that kind of thingNov 17 21:14
sebsebsebyes that's an idea he came up with the older guyNov 17 21:14
sebsebsebOpen Suse guy was  ike, yeah I was lookig into that, that can be doeNov 17 21:14
sebsebsebcan pick the people first forwhat?Nov 17 21:14
iophkThe installfestNov 17 21:15
sebsebsebiophk: installfest is  may e a kidof ol idea nowNov 17 21:16
sebsebsebin that senseNov 17 21:16
sebsebsebdependsNov 17 21:16
sebsebsebiophk: anyway just under 3 hour left of Sunday now in this time zoneNov 17 21:16
sebsebsebso I should do that tingNov 17 21:16
sebsebsebget it in the piratepad for you to seeNov 17 21:17
sebsebseband then off in the properd documentNov 17 21:17
iophkok good luckNov 17 21:17
iophki gotta go anywayNov 17 21:17
sebsebsebiophk: ohNov 17 21:17
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Sosumihttp://enenews.com/gundersen-fuel-racks-very-close-going-critical-unit-4-be-extraordinarily-careful-about-starting-chain-reaction-videoNov 17 21:39
TechrightsBot-trenenews.com | Gundersen: Fuel already “very close to going critical” at Unit 4 — Must be extraordinarily careful about starting chain reaction (VIDEO)  [ http://ur1.ca/g1yyp ]Nov 17 21:39
Sosumigoing to be removed today I thinkNov 17 21:39
Sosumisince it's already "today" in the land of the rising sunNov 17 21:40
Sosumihttp://fairewinds.org/podcast/remove-tepco-removing-fuelNov 17 22:01
TechrightsBot-trfairewinds.org | Remove TEPCO Before Removing Fuel | Fairewinds Energy Education  [ http://ur1.ca/g1z1h ]Nov 17 22:01
Sosumiyep, it's todayNov 17 22:01
Sosumiand it's 7am at moment in japanNov 17 22:01
Sosumiso, fingers crossed for no godzillaNov 17 22:02
Sosumibitcoin 492€Nov 17 22:35
Sosumimust get some asics and start miningNov 17 22:37
Sosumihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a30tg02JwDcNov 17 22:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs Heigh Ho Song - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g1z9l ]Nov 17 22:37
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Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-15/internet-now-weaponized-and-you-are-targetNov 17 23:27
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | The Internet Is Now Weaponized, And You Are The Target | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/g1zj5 ]Nov 17 23:27
Sosumi"Sadly, in a country in which courtesy of peak social networking, exhibitionism has become an art form, the vast majority of Americans not only could not care less about Snowden's sacrificial revelations/confirmations, but in fact are delighted the at least someone, somewhere cares about that photo of last night's dinner."Nov 17 23:29
Sosumisaid that thousands of timesNov 17 23:29
Sosumithe unwashed masses don't careNov 17 23:29
MinceRgnNov 17 23:34
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gde33|2all publicity is good publicityNov 18 01:14
Sosumihttp://fukushimaupdate.com/tepco-admits-80-spent-fuel-assemblies-had-damage-before-nuclear-accident/Nov 18 05:42
TechrightsBot-trfukushimaupdate.com | Fukushima Update | TEPCO Admits 80 Spent Fuel Assemblies Had Damage Before Nuclear Accident  [ http://ur1.ca/g20uu ]Nov 18 05:42
SosumiTEPCO, scaring the bejesus out of youNov 18 05:44
Sosumialso, 1 million PS4 sold in the north american launchNov 18 05:44
Sosumibut I wander of those how many were smashed and broken into pieces by angry not so intelligent pplNov 18 05:45
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iophkOSS can be used for bad things too : http://www.informationweek.com/agencies-widen-open-source-use--/d/d-id/899851Nov 18 07:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.informationweek.com | Agencies Widen Open-Source Use   - InformationWeek  [ http://ur1.ca/g2161 ]Nov 18 07:08
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/EllieAsksWhy/status/402357291237642240Nov 18 09:17
TechrightsBot-tr@EllieAsksWhy: @CiphersSon Just look at @schestowitz stream. He is not over-dramatizing. I used to think, maybe so, on identica, in 2009. Not now.Nov 18 09:17
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/CiphersSon/status/402353938399121408Nov 18 09:17
TechrightsBot-tr@CiphersSon: I had to choose.. "unaffiliated" because "independent" has 5 "parties" in Kansas... HA! take a side The only winning move is not to play YO!Nov 18 09:17
MinceRgeekingsNov 18 09:42
iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2307585/google-and-microsoft-to-clear-the-internet-of-depravityNov 18 11:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Google and Microsoft to clear the internet of depravity- The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/g22e8 ]Nov 18 11:20
MinceRwhat, they're retiring?Nov 18 11:21
iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/10456753/Claire-Perry-The-Government-is-in-an-arms-race-with-paedophiles-on-the-web.htmlNov 18 11:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | Claire Perry: The Government is in an 'arms race' with paedophiles on the web  - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/g22f8 ]Nov 18 11:22
roy_The "Snowden helps pedophiles" defenceNov 18 11:36
roy_Let's give control over the Web to gov and corps...Nov 18 11:36
roy_They'll defend us fromm perverts..Nov 18 11:36
MinceRsuch as their priests?Nov 18 11:37
roy_notice the wordNov 18 11:37
roy_"arms race"Nov 18 11:37
roy_nxt thing you know they'll suggest bombing suspected kiddie pr0n downloadersNov 18 11:37
iophkIt'll be encryption as "munitions" again.Nov 18 11:54
iophklike when they tried to shut down PGPNov 18 11:57
msb__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdYNov 18 12:01
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g22oj ]Nov 18 12:01
Sosumiyay google and M$ are going to close downNov 18 14:21
Sosumibecause that's how depravity is handledNov 18 14:22
Sosumior should be handledNov 18 14:22
Sosumiat the root of evilNov 18 14:22
Sosumimeanwhile, news from fukushimaNov 18 14:22
Sosumi*nothing*Nov 18 14:22
Sosumionly that they started the removal process of the spent fuel, nothing about canisters getting stuck in the assembly due to debris nor because of mishandlingNov 18 14:24
Sosuminor about they actually breakingNov 18 14:24
Sosumiand that after that they want to disassemble unit 4, but well, they don't even know where the coreNov 18 14:25
Sosumi"baby I'm (the core) so hot that I'm about to melt throught" :PNov 18 14:26
Sosumiand that is if a big 9.0 doesn't do it faster than TEPCONov 18 14:26
Sosumiwe need a #nuclearrightsNov 18 14:27
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-18/bill-clinton-refuses-criticize-edward-snowden-says-next-president-should-be-womanNov 18 14:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Bill Clinton Refuses To Criticize Edward Snowden, Says Next President Should Be A Woman | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/g23ht ]Nov 18 14:29
Sosumiyes, Monica - Bill 2016 or wathever the date isNov 18 14:29
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roy_DaemonFC: I use your recommndationNov 18 15:01
roy_http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/fedora-20-beta/Nov 18 15:01
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Fedora 20 Reaches Beta, New Screenshots Published | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g23ni ]Nov 18 15:01
roy_Yous aid it was a problem-free distro nowNov 18 15:01
roy_Sosumi: LOLNov 18 15:02
roy_At least Clinton learned from her attack on AssangeNov 18 15:02
roy_It made her look like an IronUltraThatcherNov 18 15:02
Sosumithen she'd get rusty in timeNov 18 15:03
Sosumiand need Bill to pour some oil on that thingNov 18 15:03
SosumilolNov 18 15:03
Sosumibut I don't recollect Monica ever going full retard on Assange, only Hitlery didNov 18 15:05
msb__Fun with Nov 18 15:11
msb__ComcastNov 18 15:11
msb__I can't get email via popmail or their website.  I call them up.Nov 18 15:11
msb__Get a guy from the Phillipines who talks too fast.  First thing, he tells me to reboot my LINUX computer.Nov 18 15:12
msb__Even though both paths to email don't work.  And my net connection does work.Nov 18 15:13
msb__He does more checking and finds e-mail for the whole state of California is down, and has been for an hour already.Nov 18 15:14
msb__I look on their service outage page as instructed.  There's no mention of the outage even after it's been going on for an hour!  They don't every want to admit that there's something wrong with their system!Nov 18 15:15
SosumicrapcastNov 18 15:15
SosumiI see that kind of behaviour with Zon TvCabo here in portugalNov 18 15:15
Sosumithe mostNov 18 15:16
Sosumiand some other residencial servicesNov 18 15:16
msb__I forgot, he also tells me that the rotating blue graphic on the web email page indicates that my browser -- latest Firefox -- is incompatible.Nov 18 15:16
Sosumithe only way to actually avoid that is to get an enterprise connectionNov 18 15:16
Sosumiherp derpNov 18 15:16
msb__Might not be any better, just cost more.Nov 18 15:17
Sosumiin here it was worthedNov 18 15:17
Sosumisince I don't get any slowdownsNov 18 15:18
msb__Mail server in both East and West coast U.S. gave failure message to pop client.Nov 18 15:18
Sosumiwhile my neighboor next door doesNov 18 15:18
Sosumialso there's 24 hours support, which is handy when problems do happenNov 18 15:19
Sosumiand no outsourcingNov 18 15:19
msb__Well, I do get 24hour support, and it was prompt, it's just lousy.Nov 18 15:19
msb__I could understand the guy, once I got him to speak slower.Nov 18 15:20
Sosumibut to get a guy from the phillipines to answerNov 18 15:20
Sosumiseriously :/Nov 18 15:20
msb__But all his procedures were based on the assumption that there was something wrong with my computer.Nov 18 15:20
msb__Of course he assumed that I was using Microsoft, so maybe it's a good assumption.Nov 18 15:21
SosumiI've seen more failed osx as of late than winblowsNov 18 15:22
Sosumi:)Nov 18 15:22
Sosumiso the assumption isn't goodNov 18 15:22
msb__A friend told me two days ago that osx had just updated and now he can't access what he used to be able to -- maybe youtube.Nov 18 15:23
Sosumiwhat it sounds to me is an untrained call center operator in a geo region that isn't yoursNov 18 15:23
msb__I think he was trained fine, but his training was based on the assumption that the problem was not in comcast.  Nov 18 15:24
msb__eventually he found out that it was.Nov 18 15:24
Sosumitell him to check the plugins tab on safari, apple copied firefox on that, that you can disable/allow them at your own will individuallyNov 18 15:24
msb__Thanks, I will tell him.Nov 18 15:25
Sosumiif that doesn't work, probably he needs to update the trash player, since crApple remotly disables it if you have an out of date versionNov 18 15:25
Sosumisame thing applies to oracle javaNov 18 15:26
msb__I've found that in general, open source is more reliable than commercial sw you pay for.Nov 18 15:26
Sosumiwell ofc,Nov 18 15:26
Sosumithe code is open for everyone to auditNov 18 15:26
Sosumithus it receives fixes way more oftenNov 18 15:27
msb__And their fundamental purpose is to make it work, not to make money.Nov 18 15:27
SosumiexactlyNov 18 15:27
msb__I'm worried about Skype.  Microsoft bought it, and so they may eventually wreck it.Nov 18 15:28
MinceRit was crap to begin withNov 18 15:28
SosumiI don't use Skype although I have an account because of those guys who don't know any betterNov 18 15:29
msb__I've always found it works well, for years.Nov 18 15:29
Sosumibut it wasn't secure beforeNov 18 15:29
MinceRit was never secureNov 18 15:29
MinceRit was never trustworthyNov 18 15:29
msb__And it has both voice and text-chat.Nov 18 15:29
MinceRand it was always closedNov 18 15:29
Sosumithe FSB was know for being to eavesdrop on itNov 18 15:29
msb__That's Russia?Nov 18 15:30
Sosumiway before M$ bought it and changed the server deploymentNov 18 15:30
MinceRindeedNov 18 15:30
SosumiyeahNov 18 15:30
msb__I trust them more than I trust the US NSA.Nov 18 15:30
SosumiI trust no oneNov 18 15:31
SosumiNSA, FSB, GCHQ...Nov 18 15:31
msb__At least before Putin jailed the Pussy Riot female band for making fun of him.Nov 18 15:31
Sosumito hell with themNov 18 15:31
msb__Yeah -- psychopathy in government.Nov 18 15:32
SosumiPussy Riot got jailed because they went to an orthodox church and started trashing the thingNov 18 15:32
Sosumithey were never a band or anything at allNov 18 15:32
msb__physically trashing?Nov 18 15:32
Sosumiyeah and verballyNov 18 15:32
msb__Well still, one of them just got a message out saying she was freezing in Siberia or some such place.  Then she disappeared.Nov 18 15:33
Sosumithey were probably just a bunch of patsys co-financed by Soros and the CIA to serve as cannon fodder for some color revolutionNov 18 15:34
Sosumididn't workNov 18 15:34
msb__Could well be.Nov 18 15:34
msb__They sure made Putin look bad, like he was afraid of Pussy!Nov 18 15:34
Sosumijust because she said, doesn't mean that it's trueNov 18 15:35
Sosumibut we all know Russian prisons aren't five star hotelsNov 18 15:35
Sosumifor that, get arrested in the norgelandNov 18 15:35
msb__TV and gourmet meals?Nov 18 15:36
Sosumiso there's the benefict of the doubtNov 18 15:36
SosumiyeahNov 18 15:36
Sosumijust look at the hotel suit Anders Breivik is inNov 18 15:36
Sosumiit's hilariousNov 18 15:36
msb__And he's a crazy nazi mass murderer!  How many did he kill?Nov 18 15:37
Sosuminazi?Nov 18 15:37
Sosumiin the sense of national socialistNov 18 15:37
msb__IIRC.Nov 18 15:37
Sosuminothing to do with the shicklegruber guyNov 18 15:37
Sosumihe went to a pro palestine rally in that island up thereNov 18 15:38
Sosumiand start gunning down pplNov 18 15:38
msb__"far-right militant ideology" -- wiki pediaNov 18 15:39
msb__killed 77 people!Nov 18 15:39
Sosumibut then again, no one helped more the zionist cause than Schicklegruber's gernamnyNov 18 15:39
msb__But it was fascist, not socialist.Nov 18 15:40
msb__"national socialist" was just false advertisingNov 18 15:40
Sosumisocialism/populism, etc. is just a coverNov 18 15:41
msb__Hitler was 75% financed by U.S. capitalists, to kill off the socialists and labor organizers of Europe.Nov 18 15:41
Sosumifor the unwashed masses to swallowNov 18 15:41
Sosumiin reality it's top notch fascismNov 18 15:41
msb__Not real democratic socialism.Nov 18 15:42
Sosumiactually, hitler was put in there by britainNov 18 15:42
msb__And by the US.Nov 18 15:42
Sosumithe US oligarchs then felt in love and start bankrolling him tooNov 18 15:42
Sosumieventually the British believed he'd turn again't russia in order to break itNov 18 15:43
msb__http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_NazisNov 18 15:43
TechrightsBot-trcosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneNov 18 15:43
Sosumibut he turned west before he went eastNov 18 15:43
msb__also  http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_HolocaustNov 18 15:45
TechrightsBot-trcosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone  [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ]Nov 18 15:45
msb__U.S. foreign policy is based on one single principle -- mass murder for profit.Nov 18 15:46
msb__Has been for more than a hundred years.Nov 18 15:47
Sosumiwhat about britain? before the US took overNov 18 15:47
msb__Sure!Nov 18 15:47
msb__The sun never sets...Nov 18 15:48
iophkhttp://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-sailfish-os-phone-november-27-release/Nov 18 15:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.digitaltrends.com | Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 | Digital Trends  [ http://ur1.ca/g23w8 ]Nov 18 15:48
Sosumiopium wars with china, the pink region map and the ultimatum against portugalNov 18 15:48
msb__That's my website.  I feel lucky to still be alive.Nov 18 15:48
Sosumiand I could go onNov 18 15:48
Sosumicolonial spain the same thing, Nov 18 15:49
msb__What did they do to Portugal?Nov 18 15:49
Sosumihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_MapNov 18 15:50
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Pink Map - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 18 15:50
Sosumiit was about the claim of sovereighty of territories in between Angola and MoçambiqueNov 18 15:51
Sosumidid I forget to mention napolionic france?Nov 18 15:51
Sosumihow many times did the frenchies try to take portugalNov 18 15:51
Sosumithree and failedNov 18 15:52
Sosumifrenchies...Nov 18 15:52
msb__France still not loved in portugal, eh?Nov 18 15:53
roy_https://twitter.com/candtalan/status/402461263256514560Nov 18 15:53
TechrightsBot-tr@candtalan: @PeoplesVoice_TV Consider Richard Stallman: Free software Foundation @schestowitzNov 18 15:53
Sosumithe common portuguese tends to be dumbNov 18 15:54
Sosumicome on, ppl in here are still fascinated about ObozoNov 18 15:54
roy_whoo's that?Nov 18 15:54
SosumiObamaNov 18 15:54
msb__ObomberNov 18 15:54
roy_I have several portuguese friends who say the sanNov 18 15:54
roy_*sameNov 18 15:55
roy_They live in the UK nowNov 18 15:55
roy_portugal only for vacation now, they say people there are moserable nowNov 18 15:55
roy_[15:53] <msb__> France still not loved in portugal, eh?Nov 18 15:55
roy_Is Francr loved *anywhere*?Nov 18 15:55
roy_maybe tolerated in some places, not lovedNov 18 15:56
Sosumiprobably in Iran and SyriaNov 18 15:56
msb__Wine and cheese lovers...Nov 18 15:56
Sosumiby Al-QaedaNov 18 15:56
msb__So what's up with Stallman?Nov 18 15:56
Sosumisince they've been shipping weapons to those guysNov 18 15:56
msb__So has the U.S.Nov 18 15:57
Sosumiand germany, and the UKNov 18 15:57
Sosumiand TurkeyNov 18 15:58
Sosumiand IsrahellNov 18 15:58
Sosumiand the GCC countriesNov 18 15:58
Sosumithey all form the Axis Of EvilNov 18 15:58
msb__Yeah, Israhell loves Muslims if they're super-evil.Nov 18 15:58
msb__At least GCC puts out a good compiler.Nov 18 15:59
SosumiIsrahell actually wants to team up with the KSA and attack IranNov 18 15:59
SosumiLOLNov 18 15:59
Sosumiit was GCC as in Golf Cooperation CouncilNov 18 16:00
msb__Gulf?Nov 18 16:00
Sosumior that :PNov 18 16:00
msb__Persian Gulf, probably.Nov 18 16:01
Sosumiit'd be awesome if all they did was play golfNov 18 16:01
Sosumithat means they wouldn't cause much troubleNov 18 16:02
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roy_http://parelastic.com/blog/oracle-axes-support-glassfish-mysql-users-might-want-pay-attentionNov 18 16:12
TechrightsBot-trparelastic.com | As Oracle axes support for GlassFish, MySQL users might want to pay attention | ParElastic  [ http://ur1.ca/g2400 ]Nov 18 16:12
msb__http://disinfo.com/2012/04/planthuman-symbiosis-and-the-fall-of-humanity-interview-with-tony-wright/Nov 18 16:17
TechrightsBot-trdisinfo.com | Plant/Human Symbiosis and the Fall of Humanity: Interview With Tony Wright - disinformation  [ http://ur1.ca/g241t ]Nov 18 16:17
msb__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5yXK2n82lgNov 18 16:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | 'An investigation into the evolution of the human brain'   by Tony Wright - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g241y ]Nov 18 16:18
msb__Very interesting stuff!Nov 18 16:18
msb__He thinks all humans are brain-damaged because diet no longer contains lots of fruit flavonoids which have profound epigenetic effects.Nov 18 16:19
msb__Thus causing left-brain dominance and mass psychopathy.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdYNov 18 16:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g22oj ]Nov 18 16:21
msb__But I don't think Wright knows about Verstappen.  I'll have to tell him.Nov 18 16:22
msb__I made a live table of contents for Wright's book using pdfmod.  I'm helping to save the world!Nov 18 16:23
iophkleft-brain, right-brain has been debunked ages ago.  Yes, some functionality is localized but not in the left-brain, right-brain myth popularized in pop sci / pseudo sci decades ago.Nov 18 16:24
msb__http://leftinthedark.org.uk/sites/default/files/Left%20in%20the%20Dark%20free%20edition.pdfNov 18 16:25
msb__free copy of 2nd edition.  It's up to 3rd for about $10.Nov 18 16:25
msb__Not a myth!  Look at the book.Nov 18 16:26
iophkMyth.  Look at the medical texts and medical courses.Nov 18 16:26
iophkSome functionality is on one side or another, especially in men, but it is not general analytic vs art or whatever.Nov 18 16:27
msb__The same ones that teach doctors that vitamin C doesn't kill viral infections?Nov 18 16:27
iophkNoNov 18 16:27
iophkThe ones on neuropsychology and such.Nov 18 16:27
msb__Wright has lots of references in his book.Nov 18 16:27
iophkDepends on the quality of the referencesNov 18 16:28
iophkIf you are near a good university with a library then you can look up a random sample and verify.Nov 18 16:28
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roy_sounds lik Pentagon propaganda: http://gizmodo.com/the-cia-is-trying-to-stop-russia-building-monitoring-st-1466555409Nov 18 17:17
TechrightsBot-trgizmodo.com | The CIA Is Trying to Stop Russia Building Monitoring Stations in the US  [ http://ur1.ca/g24gg ]Nov 18 17:17
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/402489062834966528Nov 18 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: #nsa does not serve US interests, it is just destroying the country politically & commercially http://t.co/4BZC907Z1l http://t.co/PHYd5kAJnpNov 18 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.ibtimes.co.uk | NSA Spying Scandal Dents US Business Prospects in China - IBTimes UKNov 18 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.japantimes.co.jp | NSA spying accomplishes little beyond alienating allies | The Japan TimesNov 18 17:51
roy_https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/402492753130840064Nov 18 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz culturally tooNov 18 17:51
DaemonFCIt doesn't surprise me that Walmart is holding a food drive so that its employees can have a Thanksgiving dinner.Nov 18 18:13
DaemonFCActually, yes it does. Hundreds of thousands of Walmart employees are working on Thanksgiving (for $8-9 an hour, and being threatened with termination if they call in sick) and will be unable to prepare or attend a Thanksgiving dinner anyway, so the food drive won't help many of them anyway.Nov 18 18:13
DaemonFCThis reminds me of when I worked there, and most people either had no health insurance, or couldn't afford to use it because the deductible was $1,000. So, whenever a co-worker became sick, management would pass around a collection dish to collect money from other employees, to help that person with their medical bills.Nov 18 18:13
DaemonFCThe biggest problem with that was that none of us had any money either.Nov 18 18:13
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3301403Nov 18 18:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA Asked Linus Torvalds To Install Backdoors Into GNU/Linux http://falkvinge.net/2013/11/17/nsa-asked-linus-torvalds-to-install-backdoors-into-gnulinux/ who has the last laugh? RMS.Nov 18 18:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> falkvinge.net | NSA Asked Linus Torvalds To Install Backdoors Into GNU/Linux - Falkvinge on Infopolicy  [ http://ur1.ca/g1wno ]Nov 18 18:13
schestowitz"Hmm so adapted Mesh Wifi network. Not sure if this is a good answer to the problem. Let's see how they make progress :)"Nov 18 18:13
schestowitz"Nov 18 18:13
schestowitzI doubt that Torvalds went for it. As the article points out, since the code is publicly available, and subject to wide scrutiny, it is unlikely that Torvalds could get away with introducing a back door even if he chose to. And that the NSA even approached him to do so suggests that their understanding of security is weak.Nov 18 18:14
schestowitzSo I wouldn't adopt a mesh wifi network on the basis of this story, but rather the stories that the NSA and GCHQ are tapping into the Internet at backbone-level links.Nov 18 18:14
schestowitzThe trouble with mesh will, for a long time yet to come, be with utility. If it retains a connection to the Internet as it now exists, then it may bring an entire community under suspicion for the actions of a few or even of the one. If it severs that link, it loses access to many resources (which I, for one, could not now do without).Nov 18 18:14
schestowitz"Nov 18 18:14
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3301343Nov 18 18:14
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Writing negative things about the #nsa has become too easy since June (I had done this for years). It's news when they *obey* the law. #ciaNov 18 18:14
schestowitz"They obey lots of laws. Usually the ones they've had written, but hey it's a start, I guess..."Nov 18 18:14
schestowitz"Or more precisely, they obey laws according to their own interpretations, and according to a case law (FISA court) developed in secret in non-adversarial proceedings. Then, I think they break the law for fun. After all, keeping secrets is supposed to be their specialty. How, really, and this is the question I ask about any reform, can rules be enforced?"Nov 18 18:14
schestowitzSecret law is not a law, it's like a law of the jungle.Nov 18 18:15
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sebsebseb Nov 18 18:16
sebsebsebiophk: got to do proosals again,  specifi way a few hours etc leftNov 18 18:19
iophksebsebseb: I thought you did them yesterday Nov 18 18:19
sebsebseboh and meeting wil change day and crash with my other thing now,  may be better this way though, seems I got to make new remasters myself  probably to etcNov 18 18:19
sebsebsebiophk: I did, but he didn't likeNov 18 18:19
sebsebsebthey weren't specific eough what I putNov 18 18:20
sebsebsebiophk: for example I have to mention openSUSE  Nov 18 18:20
iophkschestowitz: mesh would work great with Usenet (nntp) but the powers that be dislike very much anything so decentralized.Nov 18 18:20
sebsebsebin that proposalNov 18 18:20
iophkwhy does he get to decide o nthe distros by himself?Nov 18 18:21
sebsebsebor some other distro, but yeah I'll do openSUSE for thatNov 18 18:22
sebsebsebhe doesn'tNov 18 18:22
sebsebsebiophk: I can put PUppy LInux in as it's own proposal if I want toNov 18 18:22
sebsebsebiophk: I could suggest Kubuntu as the other KDE distro for example, but  I don't think anyone else wants that really soNov 18 18:23
sebsebsebiophk: openSUSE for KDENov 18 18:24
sebsebsebmaybe Magiea toNov 18 18:24
sebsebseband yeah been through this all ready loads of timesNov 18 18:24
sebsebsebiophk: I just need to do very specific propoals in his wayNov 18 18:24
sebsebsebor  they don't get acceptedNov 18 18:24
sebsebsebhe has suggestedhow I put in my propsals as well thoughNov 18 18:25
sebsebsebiophk: hmm I think I would rather be with average people on Thursday, than with geeks realyNov 18 18:25
sebsebsebiophk: at my new groupNov 18 18:25
sebsebseb,but now he wants it  on Thursday,so he can orgaise propoals, and try and get the guy who's curretlly in California to comment on it toNov 18 18:26
sebsebsebiophk: anyway proposals and  heopfuolly ok this time roundNov 18 18:26
sebsebsebon the verge of doing it yet againNov 18 18:26
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sebsebseband yeahNov 18 18:26
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sebsebsebiophk: not what lat thing you got fro me wasNov 18 18:54
sebsebsebnot sure what last thing aboveNov 18 18:54
iophkabout 20 minutes agoNov 18 18:54
iophkthe connection came back thenNov 18 18:55
sebsebsebiophk: well I guess I got some extra time to make new remasters thenNov 18 18:55
sebsebsebseems I got to probably got to make myself, even the guy said he wouldNov 18 18:55
sebsebsebeven thoughNov 18 18:55
iophkdid you figure out the method for making your remasters?Nov 18 18:55
sebsebsebiophk: ,but right five hours 5 minutes for proposals now hNov 18 18:55
sebsebsebuhNov 18 18:56
sebsebsebthe other way to do it sure remastersNov 18 18:56
sebsebsebiophk: I think Thursday it's can't be in two places at onceNov 18 18:57
sebsebsebiophk: I'll propse Puppy, but if it's in, hopefly the Mint or Ubuntu guy will make that one, if I can't easilly remasterdNov 18 18:58
sebsebsebit's Ubuntu basedNov 18 18:58
iophkI thought it was more Ubuntu-compatible, Debian-compatible than based on either one.  It's hard to find info.Nov 18 19:03
sebsebsebiophk: one of them or whatever is bsed on buntuNov 18 19:04
sebsebsebsays on siteNov 18 19:04
sebsebsebon the LTSNov 18 19:04
sebsebsebiophk: nice distro, I think I would personally trust that,  or a slightly remastered puppy,  than whatever the OpenSUSE guy wants to make himself for the cut downNov 18 19:04
sebsebsebtrust that moreNov 18 19:05
iophkyepNov 18 19:05
sebsebsebPuppy Linux is wel known to be a  good distro for old computersNov 18 19:05
iophkit isNov 18 19:05
sebsebsebuh running out of time for proposals I feelNov 18 19:05
sebsebsebok  jut under five hours, but stillNov 18 19:05
sebsebsebiophk: if I folow all hs comments from the email I got, I guess I  should be ok :Nov 18 19:06
sebsebseb:)Nov 18 19:06
iophkmaybe give IRC a rest until the proposal is doneNov 18 19:06
sebsebsebiophk: just  a document eidt I ThinkNov 18 19:06
sebsebseblik he said and  yeahNov 18 19:06
sebsebseb,but if it's wrong and I send off early enough, might get another email saing something soNov 18 19:07
Sosumisebsebseb, was mageia replaced with openklutz?Nov 18 19:08
sebsebsebSosumi: it's lookng like it probably will be for KDE yeahNov 18 19:09
sebsebsebunfortunatllyNov 18 19:09
Sosumi:(Nov 18 19:09
sebsebseband that Mageia may be out complety  if GNOME 3 isn't in which it looks like may be the case toNov 18 19:09
Sosumignome 3 is trash, but yeah, publicity to the distro would have been goodNov 18 19:10
sebsebsebSosumi: GNOME 3 I like it, and Mageia deserves to be in more than openSUSENov 18 19:11
sebsebsebaltough it's got contorl centre like stuff to, which could be good for someone bran new for LInuxNov 18 19:11
sebsebsebony way I can justifiy propsoig opensuses as the  other distro  for KDE in one of my propalsNov 18 19:12
sebsebsebI mean I have to prpose something, and it also seems that's what people want soNov 18 19:12
Sosumibut wait, you like gnome 3? :ONov 18 19:13
SosumiI've tried gnome 3 back in fedora 16Nov 18 19:13
Sosumiand it was abysmalNov 18 19:13
sebsebsebSosumi: it's  the new type of interfaceNov 18 19:15
sebsebsebcertain thigs I don't like aout GNOME 3Nov 18 19:15
sebsebseb,but GNOME Shell I likeNov 18 19:15
SosumiI seeNov 18 19:19
iophkhttp://www.usatoday.com/story/cybertruth/2013/11/13/snowden-effect-young-people-now-care-about-privacy/3517919/Nov 18 20:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.usatoday.com | Snowden effect: young people now care about privacy  [ http://ur1.ca/g25ew ]Nov 18 20:18
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/supreme-court-declines-to-staNov 18 20:18
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | November | 2013 | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g0fwh ]Nov 18 20:18
iophkhttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-court-intelligence-20131118,0,7821882.storyNov 18 20:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.chicagotribune.com | U.S. justices won't review intelligence court action on phone records - chicagotribune.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g25f6 ]Nov 18 20:19
Sosumiyoung ppl only care about privacy when it comes about hiding things from their parentsNov 18 20:39
sebsebsebiophk: proposlas sent a ittle while agoNov 18 20:51
iophkexcellentNov 18 20:51
sebsebsebiophk: hopefully alll ok nowNov 18 20:51
sebsebsebiophk: I am proposing OpenSUSE to go with Mageia in some of the thoughNov 18 20:52
sebsebseb,but got to play the game etcNov 18 20:52
sebsebsebthey want openSUSE soNov 18 20:52
sebsebsebproposed puppy as well as a cut down distro and suchNov 18 20:52
iophkI guess EPIC should have gone through the lower  courts first.Nov 18 21:04
iophkseNov 18 21:04
iophksebsebseb: did you get Mageia on the list?Nov 18 21:04
sebsebsebiophk: sure in a few proposalsNov 18 21:07
iophkgreatNov 18 21:07
sebsebsebiophk: rather be socialising with average people on Thurday thoughNov 18 21:07
sebsebsebiophk: ,but now the meeting wll be then instead hmmNov 18 21:07
sebsebsebjust reoleid about that Nov 18 21:08
sebsebsebanyway  gives more time for remasters so not to bad realyNov 18 21:08
sebsebsebiophk: still it's unforutnate it crahses wth the other thing though reallyNov 18 21:08
sebsebsebiophk: no reply yet about proposls hpefull all ok this  timeNov 18 21:09
sebsebsebiophk: foodt ime for me thenNov 18 21:10
sebsebsebther's smething waiting :dNov 18 21:10
iophkokNov 18 21:11
sebsebsebiophk: oh I know what I cold do tommorowNov 18 21:11
sebsebsebthat's a point :dNov 18 21:11
sebsebsebjono 's video thing :dNov 18 21:11
sebsebsebassuing it's onNov 18 21:11
iophkdidn't he say he moved it from Tuesdays?Nov 18 21:11
sebsebsebno he moved it to TuesdayNov 18 21:12
iophkohNov 18 21:12
iophkthen give it a tryNov 18 21:12
sebsebsebI was thinking last week how I Would be misisng it since that meting, but I guess not then if it's on tommorow that isNov 18 21:12
sebsebsebiophk: oh  I used to go to them quite a lot before and stil willNov 18 21:12
sebsebsebtry to go to them it's fun Nov 18 21:12
sebsebsebiophk: Q&A session with a load of Ubuntu fans and suchNov 18 21:12
sebsebsebon his web cam Nov 18 21:13
iophkSIP?Nov 18 21:13
sebsebsebnopeNov 18 21:13
sebsebsebGoogle thigeyNov 18 21:13
sebsebsebGoogle hang outsNov 18 21:13
sebsebsebbefore that ustreamNov 18 21:13
iophkOh.  I'm trying to wean myself from Google.Nov 18 21:13
sebsebsebyep some doNov 18 21:13
sebsebseb,but bye bye Android devices to then reallyNov 18 21:14
sebsebsebthat's GoogleNov 18 21:14
iophkThere's coming mixed messages from Google on open these days.Nov 18 21:14
iophkhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57612742-93/google-drive-for-linux-patience-patience../Nov 18 21:14
sebsebsebiophk: ah well I get to have a meal  in  just under two weeks with those Thursday people anyway :dNov 18 21:14
sebsebsebiophk: yeah a Christmas dinnerNov 18 21:14
TechrightsBot-trnews.cnet.com | Google Drive for Linux? Patience, patience... | Internet & Media - CNET News  [ http://ur1.ca/g25oo ]Nov 18 21:14
iophkChristmas beerNov 18 21:15
sebsebsebwel wie it seems for this one actsuallyNov 18 21:15
sebsebsebwine aboeNov 18 21:15
sebsebseb,but I gues other drinks are availalbe toNov 18 21:15
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3301809Nov 18 21:15
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The US DHS wants to treat people like cattle http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy/privacy_advcom_rpt_rfid_draft.pdf why not ask IBM for help? They helped Hitler.Nov 18 21:15
sebsebsebiophk: it will be annoying to go on Thursday, and have Magiea voted out compltyNov 18 21:15
sebsebsebiophk: ,but that may be it's fate, as I am expecting, so hmmNov 18 21:15
sebsebsebI mean missing somethignNov 18 21:16
sebsebsebgoing to that meetingNov 18 21:16
schestowitz"Nov 18 21:16
schestowitzI remember hearing something about that, as well. I'd have to track it down and I don't have time for that at the moment. I can point to this:Nov 18 21:16
sebsebseband having it voted outNov 18 21:16
schestowitzGeorge Seldes, 1000 Americans: The Real Rulers of the U.S.A. (New York: Boni and Gaer, 1948; Joshua Tree, CA: Progressive, 2009).Nov 18 21:16
schestowitzNotice the original publication date. Well-founded allegations of U.S. corporate complicity with the Nazi regime are nothing new. I just don't remember whether IBM was among the companies he lists.Nov 18 21:16
schestowitzAs to the rest of this, I am no longer in possession of histories of the Nazi regime. So now I see articles such as this:Nov 18 21:16
schestowitzKlaus Wiegrefe, "75 Years Later: How the World Shrugged Off Kristallnacht," trans. Christopher Sultan, Spiegel, November 5, 2013, http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/berlin-exhibit-gathers-1938-diplomatic-accounts-of-nazi-kristallnacht-a-931733.htmlNov 18 21:16
schestowitzand I simply don't have at hand the means to track down when the Jewish exodus began, when shiploads of fleeing Jews were turned away from U.S. shores, and other lovely little tidbits, that paint a rather unflattering picture of how the world reacted to the plight of Jews, let alone when Jews could or should have known that they were in profound peril.Nov 18 21:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.spiegel.de | Berlin Exhibit Gathers 1938 Diplomatic Accounts of Nazi Kristallnacht - SPIEGEL ONLINE  [ http://ur1.ca/g25p0 ]Nov 18 21:16
schestowitz"Nov 18 21:16
sebsebsebyay the schestowitz spam :dNov 18 21:16
iophkGive it a try anyway.  Nov 18 21:16
sebsebsebiophk: yep indeedNov 18 21:16
sebsebsebI am not just going to give upNov 18 21:16
sebsebseb,but may gt votedo ut on TUesdayNov 18 21:16
sebsebsebiophk: plus he wants the guy who's gone to USA To look at the proposalsNov 18 21:17
sebsebsebI gues to propse somethin really Nov 18 21:17
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3301343Nov 18 21:18
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Writing negative things about the #nsa has become too easy since June (I had done this for years). It's news when they *obey* the law. #ciaNov 18 21:18
schestowitzYes, I'm failing at the moment to find the article that absolutely shredded this. As I recall, the point was that the rule of law applies to all, that this necessarily entails public accountability, and that if laws are not public, than the latter accountability cannot occur.Nov 18 21:18
schestowitzBut the U.S. stopped being a nation governed by the rule of law many decades ago:Nov 18 21:18
schestowitzJeffrey Reiman, The Rich Get Richer and the Poor Get Prison, 7th ed. (Boston: Allyn and Bacon, 2004).Nov 18 21:18
schestowitzAnd the result is the powerful who make laws and impose them on the rest of us are largely immune to them.Nov 18 21:18
schestowitz"Nov 18 21:18
iophk"Google doesn't "have anything new to share at this time in terms of timing." "Nov 18 21:18
schestowitzThe claims are counter-intuitive until you get around to breaking down the notion of law, consistency, the possibility of changing the law, etc. Laws can be arbitrary.Nov 18 21:18
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iophkhttp://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304439804579205740125297358Nov 19 07:05
TechrightsBot-tronline.wsj.com | Authorities See Benefit of Bitcoin - WSJ.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g28ah ]Nov 19 07:05
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306168Nov 19 08:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Android ROMs, the easy way: Testing the new #CyanogenMod Installer http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/android-roms-the-easy-way-testing-the-new-cyanogenmod-installer/ #linux #phonesNov 19 08:20
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | Android ROMs, the easy way: Testing the new CyanogenMod Installer | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g28l7 ]Nov 19 08:20
schestowitz"After all the phone communication checkboxes are on, the next step is to go to "get.cm" (that's a Web address) on a real computer and download the CyanogenMod Installer Windows app What's wrong with this picture?"Nov 19 08:20
schestowitz"The old instructions look easier. http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/InstallCMfor_maguro"Nov 19 08:20
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schestowitziophk: sharedNov 19 08:23
schestowitziophk: RMS interviews all done, 4 more to publish, meeting him againt on the 29th in LincolnNov 19 08:23
schestowitzNear manchesterNov 19 08:23
iophkCool.Nov 19 08:23
schestowitzmaybe I'll make more vids, but I have siome private things to doNov 19 08:23
schestowitzand I don't want to overencumber him with filmingNov 19 08:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306287Nov 19 08:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Booting #linux and #android on the same computer with a simple menu http://liliputing.com/2013/11/linuxium-bootloader-helps-you-boot-linux-android-on-rk3188-mini-pcs.htmlNov 19 08:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> liliputing.com | Linuxium bootloader helps you boot Linux, Android on RK3188 mini PCs - Liliputing  [ http://ur1.ca/g28lo ]Nov 19 08:24
schestowitz"Seems to require Windows. I hate software like that."Nov 19 08:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307265Nov 19 08:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FBI Stops Responding To The Most Prolific FOIA Filer, Because He Might Actually Learn Something http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131118/01542825271/fbi-stops-responding-to-most-prolific-foia-filer-because-he-might-actually-learn-something.shtml #fbuNov 19 08:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techdirt.com | FBI Stops Responding To The Most Prolific FOIA Filer, Because He Might Actually Learn Something | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/g28lq ]Nov 19 08:24
schestowitz"Pure gold. How exactly can the FBI justify not fulfilling valid FOIA requests?"Nov 19 08:24
iophkI read a comment else where about some of the older hardware (CPU) patents expiring.Nov 19 08:24
schestowitzThey're the FBI, they can do whatever the Hell they want, even give bombs to people as part of sting op (aka creating public panic). FOIA is just for PR/public trust.Nov 19 08:25
iophkAre the old CPUs just junk at this point?Nov 19 08:25
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307530Nov 19 08:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Capitalism and Unemployment  http://truth-out.org/news/item/20015-capitalism-and-unemployment "manage unemployment by reducing everyone's work week by 7.5 per cent"Nov 19 08:26
schestowitz"For the longest time polls have shown working people wanting to work fewer hours and non-working people wanting to work. The solution would seem simple. The trouble is that capitalism is largely geared towards efficiency of capital generation at any cost. Unfortunately, it's just more efficient to have fewer people performing the one job (up to a point) regardless of the human cost (such as unemployment). Don't take this as me saying Nov 19 08:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> truth-out.org | Capitalism and Unemployment  [ http://ur1.ca/g28m4 ]Nov 19 08:26
schestowitzit's right or moral. It isn't. It's me pointing out a deeper flaw in the system and the reason why, despite the simplicity of the solution, it won't be adopted."Nov 19 08:26
schestowitziophk: perhaps Nov 19 08:26
schestowitzI still use almost all my CPUsNov 19 08:26
schestowitzexcept in one laptop where the mobo is problematicNov 19 08:27
schestowitzand the CPU is 400 megehertzNov 19 08:27
schestowitzlaptop from the 90sNov 19 08:27
schestowitzCompaqNov 19 08:27
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306032Nov 19 08:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-sailfish-os-phone-november-27-release/ #jolla #linux #nokia #meegoNov 19 08:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.digitaltrends.com | Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 | Digital Trends  [ http://ur1.ca/g23w8 ]Nov 19 08:28
schestowitz"Looks nice, but isn't the gui proprietary?"Nov 19 08:28
schestowitz"They specifically didn't comment on what they want to do with the GUI and core applications licenses. So we'll have to wait until 27th to actually figure out what's going on."Nov 19 08:28
schestowitzI don't think it's the GUI that's proprietaryNov 19 08:28
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309014Nov 19 09:32
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schestowitz"That`s a Bobby .... know this ..."Nov 19 09:32
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309014Nov 19 09:33
schestowitz"just found this -- There were 21 individuals shot dead by armed police officers in the UK in the last 10 years. There were 25 individuals shot dead in the US in MARCH 2013 alone. Yes, you read it correctly. More people shot dead in the US by police in 1 month alone than all those shot by the police in the UK in ten years. The total for the US so far this year (to the end of March) is 85 individuals shot dead. If this represents the Nov 19 09:33
schestowitzaverage for the US for the last 10 years then 3600 people have been killed, about 144 times as many as the UK. 7 months ago"Nov 19 09:33
schestowitzIt's known that it's a bad idea to mess about with US police forces, whereas in the UK you can troll them a bit and get away with it.Nov 19 09:33
schestowitz"and the terrorists are prob agency patsy's ,mind controlled assassins,just o keep the sheep in line by creating fear - the war is on the earth/ terra firma and all of her inhabitants"Nov 19 09:34
schestowitzan MEP just started following me in Twitter...Nov 19 09:35
iophkcoolNov 19 09:36
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-and-riaa-urge-government-to-keep-high-fines-for-copyright-infringers-131118/Nov 19 09:40
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | MPAA and RIAA Urge Government to Keep High Fines for Copyright Infringers | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g28wo ]Nov 19 09:40
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309014Nov 19 09:50
schestowitz"And don't forget the number of unreported / undetected cases or was swept under the mat!!!! The dark number is much higher!"Nov 19 09:51
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309262Nov 19 09:51
schestowitz"Real similar to what's going on here in Holland."Nov 19 09:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A society which drives people into debt (mortgage, student debt, etc.) puts everyone at brink of bankruptcy, discourages dissent/activismNov 19 09:51
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__martin__"I personally talked to the legal dept. at Canonical (for other reasons, they’re telling us we need a license to use their binary packages) and it is clear they are confused about LMDE and Mint." - Clement Nov 19 11:04
__martin__fucking license for what?! Trisquel GNU/Linux is now illegal as well or.. better one.. all are criminals and terrorists xDNov 19 11:04
__martin__press distortion also, soon gnu will be a banned search term lmaoNov 19 11:08
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iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/19/court-order-that-allowed-nsa-surveillance-is-revealed-for-first-timeNov 19 12:06
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iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/d/security/nsa-spying-will-ultimately-benefit-us-all-231124Nov 19 12:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | NSA spying will ultimately benefit us all | Security - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g29i6 ]Nov 19 12:18
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/swiss-lausanne-piloting-open-source-desktopsNov 19 12:24
TechrightsBot-trjoinup.ec.europa.eu | Swiss Lausanne piloting open source desktops | Joinup  [ http://ur1.ca/g29iv ]Nov 19 12:24
iophkLOL 5 workstationsNov 19 12:24
iophkhttp://opensource.com/government/13/11/free-open-source-italian-public-administrationNov 19 12:25
TechrightsBot-tropensource.com | The Italian Public Administration strongly prefers free and open source software | opensource.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g29j1 ]Nov 19 12:25
iophkhttp://www.ifosslr.org/ifosslr/article/view/84/150Nov 19 12:25
iophkhttps://topromotetheprogress.wordpress.com/Nov 19 12:44
TechrightsBot-trtopromotetheprogress.wordpress.com | To Promote the Progress? | A critical look at intellectual property and technology policy  [ http://ur1.ca/g29m0 ]Nov 19 12:44
iophkhttps://topromotetheprogress.wordpress.com/2013/11/17/visualizing-negotiating-positions-in-the-tpp-ip-chapter/Nov 19 12:44
TechrightsBot-trtopromotetheprogress.wordpress.com | Visualizing Negotiating Positions in the TPP IP Chapter | To Promote the Progress?  [ http://ur1.ca/g29m4 ]Nov 19 12:44
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iophkhttp://doctorbeet.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/lg-smart-tvs-logging-usb-filenames-and.htmlNov 19 14:04
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sebsebsebiophk: whoops may have messed this upNov 19 14:48
sebsebsebiophk: now I need votes for 4 distro's or all my propsals are out basiclyNov 19 14:48
iophkohNov 19 14:48
sebsebsebiophk: yeah the stress of  the document editing resulted in thatNov 19 14:49
sebsebsebiophk: was thinking of ptting in 3 last night late, but didntNov 19 14:50
sebsebsebthen wasn't on arlier Nov 19 14:50
sebsebseband uhNov 19 14:50
sebsebsebiophk: he still thinks he can propose GNOME2 though, if GNOME is agreedNov 19 14:51
sebsebsebwhen none of the distro's have GNOME 2Nov 19 14:51
sebsebsebiophk: and to my Mate one it's like to be deletd, snce no proposals for MateNov 19 14:51
iophkAs you said, he probably meant MateNov 19 14:51
sebsebsebI am not so sure nowNov 19 14:51
sebsebsebiophk: I guess by stressing out about things I have made it a thre distro event like I saidNov 19 14:52
sebsebsebunless I can win them over to the idea of fourNov 19 14:52
sebsebseband then four interfaces like I wantedNov 19 14:52
iophkyeah and the informal negotiation take place long before the formal onesNov 19 14:53
iophkand often the formal ones are just for showNov 19 14:53
sebsebsebwhat do you mean?Nov 19 14:53
sebsebseball the informal talk way beore the formal stuf about the tech stuf indeedNov 19 14:53
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sebsebsebiophk: this is a proper ote thingNov 19 14:53
sebsebsebif this proposal is agreed, then those are out etcNov 19 14:53
sebsebsebthis is a proper proposal thingNov 19 14:54
sebsebseband he's put it in a nice table and such, and said I had untill 11am to edit it stll, but  wasn't on the computer then and eahNov 19 14:54
sebsebsebiophk: indeed it's been done backwards realyNov 19 14:54
sebsebsebthree months of informal discussion  or whatever, and then the formal stuff  to do with the techs tuffNov 19 14:54
sebsebsebiophk: I have a chance at apparatly runnig that meeting myself, if I prvice an agenda and such though going by his emailNov 19 14:55
iophksounds goodNov 19 14:55
iophkif it will helpNov 19 14:55
sebsebsebiophk: no I think that was like a well he put this:Nov 19 14:56
sebsebsebIf you wish to run the meeting another way then please let me have your Agenda, Proposal List and Notes before midday on Thursday and we can vote on them before we start, in that case I will not Chair the meeting. Nov 19 14:56
sebsebsebiophk: also meant to do  a vote on who gets the casting voteNov 19 14:56
sebsebsebI think in email, but not sure quiteNov 19 14:56
sebsebsebiophk: I want myself to get the casting voteNov 19 14:57
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sebsebsebiophk: I been thinking, they want to re brand Grub 2Nov 19 14:57
sebsebsebor GrubNov 19 14:57
sebsebsebsome sort of event theme uhmm rightNov 19 14:57
sebsebsebwell he doesNov 19 14:57
sebsebsebthen I gues they may want to change the default distro bakground to one as wellNov 19 14:58
sebsebsebmaybe the log in screen, and ksplash if I suggest that, once out voted probably hmNov 19 14:58
sebsebsebiophk: and then it's just a interface really, and distro stuff, but doesn't look like the distro itselfNov 19 14:58
sebsebsebthe default theme is  part of it,  it's  the like first thing people seeNov 19 14:59
sebsebsebthey can re design Plytmouth like that to for al I careNov 19 14:59
iophkyeah it's too changed and can't really still be called by its original nameNov 19 14:59
sebsebsebiophk: I am just thinkng I don't think really want Mageia re designed like thatNov 19 14:59
sebsebsebso in that case if that's what's goign to get suggested more,  maybe it's good to be out votedNov 19 14:59
sebsebsebiophk: Ubuntu looks horrible  anyway since 10.04,  the purple/abugine theme etc, sorry jono ,but that's what I think :dNov 19 15:00
jonosebsebseb, okNov 19 15:00
sebsebsebLinux Mint isn't muchbetter,  they  don't even bother re desiging the wall paper prperly nowNov 19 15:00
jonofair enoughNov 19 15:00
sebsebsebthey just put a number on itNov 19 15:00
sebsebsebjono: at least Unity is probaby in for the event I am organignig though by  the way,  probably more so that I have  not done the proposals quite right, but I Was suggesting Unity myself by the wayNov 19 15:01
sebsebsebiophk: and Open SUSE loooks whateverNov 19 15:01
sebsebsebiophk: ,but yeah I think re branding,  the grub theme, then probaby the default background, and possibly the PLymouth and ksplash after that as wel,  I think that's going a bit farNov 19 15:02
iophkwasted effortNov 19 15:02
sebsebseb,but I have a feelng they may want to do that or himNov 19 15:02
iophkand a chance for things to breakNov 19 15:02
sebsebsebhe wanted Grub 2 to change  have some knd of event theme, so  the backgorund and such to, that woudn't suprise meNov 19 15:03
sebsebsebiophk: event hteme with info for the LUG etcNov 19 15:03
sebsebsebI can understand why may want to do that, but  if re themeing it all realy it's going a bit far in a wyaNov 19 15:04
sebsebsebiophk: ,but I don't really care much if its done for the other ditrosNov 19 15:04
sebsebsebiophk: I was thinking I should vounteer for the feedback form, with questionsNov 19 15:04
sebsebsebdid we prvodie enughoptions do you think?Nov 19 15:05
sebsebsebwould you have been happy to see something else as well?Nov 19 15:05
sebsebsebetc etcNov 19 15:05
sebsebsebwell would have to agree questions a group I gues, but that's what I have in mind :dNov 19 15:05
sebsebsebiophk: it's how you find out what people really thinkNov 19 15:05
iophkyeah, but ask open questions not yes/noNov 19 15:06
sebsebsebyep exactly open questionsNov 19 15:06
sebsebsebwith writing spaceNov 19 15:06
iophkmaybe a multiple choice or twoNov 19 15:06
sebsebsebyeah, but good questionsNov 19 15:06
sebsebsebiophk: and if this is done again, at least know the sytle of things nowNov 19 15:06
sebsebsebhow he does itNov 19 15:06
sebsebsebshuld be easier a second time roundNov 19 15:07
sebsebsebwith same peopleNov 19 15:07
sebsebsebiophk: I was thinking could do one towards the end of year maybe as well or the year or somethingNov 19 15:07
sebsebsebdepending on how thing goNov 19 15:07
sebsebsebpr the year afterNov 19 15:07
iophkI thought you would switch groups for an installfestNov 19 15:10
sebsebsebiophk: to lateNov 19 15:11
sebsebseboh you mean for later?Nov 19 15:11
sebsebsebiophk: I think I should have done more proposals  for 3   hmmmNov 19 15:11
sebsebsebto late now though it semsNov 19 15:11
sebsebsebignored what he said about covering all bases etcNov 19 15:11
sebsebseband  sincerly asking me to reduce proposals, but that he would have to deal with what he got etcNov 19 15:11
iophkIt was a mistake not to get the discussion going about DEs back a month ago.Nov 19 15:11
sebsebsebthe formal one you mean?Nov 19 15:12
sebsebsebthere was the informal stuf all alongNov 19 15:12
iophkyeah, get the DEs formally settledNov 19 15:13
iophkif not previously informallyNov 19 15:13
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sebsebsebiophk: it's looking like it was a mistake  to not do proposals for just 3 in the end  on the other hand not so much, if they put in loads of LUG themeNov 19 15:13
sebsebseban d ruin the default look of the distro's I guessNov 19 15:13
iophkyepNov 19 15:13
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sebsebsebiophk: I think I'l even suggest itNov 19 15:13
sebsebsebonce I am probably out votedNov 19 15:13
sebsebsebto do  the dm's,  and ksplash,  and plymouth if possible as wellNov 19 15:14
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sebsebseband default background of courseNov 19 15:14
sebsebsebyep a proper event themeNov 19 15:14
sebsebseboh yeah maybe they shuld make some speciic font for the event whilst at it to, heh hehNov 19 15:14
iophkand musicNov 19 15:15
iophkand iconsNov 19 15:15
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sebsebseboh yeah indeed let's not forget the sound scheme and iconsNov 19 15:15
iophkand skins for the appsNov 19 15:15
sebsebsebfor  the Ubuntu one may be easy enough get jono to record something oh wait no he'll wat the offical Canonical stuffNov 19 15:15
sebsebsebin his Q&A  peple tend to be like awesome when he plays guitar, and then be like that that sound be Ubuntu's sound schemeNov 19 15:16
sebsebsebiophk: he's been trying to get proposals for about two weeks or whatever nowNov 19 15:16
sebsebsebiophk: ,but in his confusisng for me anyway wayNov 19 15:17
sebsebseb,but yeah final ones sent earlier it seems, and I think that's it hten, can't change that nowNov 19 15:17
iophkhow many Mageia DVDs will you have to give out?Nov 19 15:17
sebsebsebCD's you meanNov 19 15:18
iophkDoes it fit on a CD?Nov 19 15:18
sebsebsebyeah I guess,  whatever,  try and get some of those out there anyway even if out votedNov 19 15:18
sebsebsebwell  the one's at FOSDEM will only be 32bit and 64bit GNOME and KDE Live CD'sNov 19 15:18
sebsebsebiophk: of coure mght only get about 25 peple coming there in the whole six hoursNov 19 15:19
iophkDo you think most visitors will know if they have 32-bit or 64-bit?Nov 19 15:19
sebsebsebiophk: and many of them may just want to use something,  and never contribute back to a project etc you knjowNov 19 15:19
sebsebsebjust consume itNov 19 15:19
iophkyes of course, but that is how it goesNov 19 15:19
sebsebsebiophk: all of the remasters are going to be 32bit as wellNov 19 15:19
sebsebseba few may come to the LUG meting the Saturday afterNov 19 15:20
sebsebsebto get something installed or  whatever I guessNov 19 15:20
sebsebsebiophk: anyway just talk to people  a bit and such I guess and so on Nov 19 15:20
sebsebsebthey can't control what I say :Nov 19 15:20
sebsebseb:DNov 19 15:20
sebsebsebfreedom of speeachNov 19 15:20
iophk:)Nov 19 15:20
iophknot in the UK AFAIKNov 19 15:21
iophkor is there?Nov 19 15:21
sebsebsebiophk: I was thinking if Unit is there, but no GNOME Shell Nov 19 15:21
sebsebsebcould say to some that htere's also GNOME Shell :dNov 19 15:21
sebsebsebiophk: Mate is out ok Nov 19 15:21
sebsebsebsoNov 19 15:21
sebsebsebCinnamon is in it seems, Unity, and KDENov 19 15:21
sebsebsebhpefuly GNOE3 toNov 19 15:21
sebsebsebiophk: it's like I am propsoing the distro that no one else really wants as such, plus the de mainlyNov 19 15:22
sebsebsebso  gettig out votedNov 19 15:22
sebsebsebprobablyNov 19 15:22
sebsebsebiophk: and even if I got KDE for Mageia,  I would wnat to show GNOME really I thinkNov 19 15:22
sebsebsebwell both ideallyNov 19 15:23
sebsebsebiophk: openSUSE guy never made his own proposals in the document, I guess since others had made them for openSUSE anyway hmmNov 19 15:23
sebsebsebincluding me in the end to try and get Magiea in some howNov 19 15:24
sebsebsebiophk: I could quit  after that meeting,  but  probably won'tNov 19 15:25
sebsebsebiophk: or  quit and be ike that, I may help uot on day or  soething hmmNov 19 15:25
sebsebsebiophk: Cinnamon, KDE, Unity, and GNOME3,  that sounds like a good interfaces choice to me :)Nov 19 15:26
iophkYeah fairly good.Nov 19 15:26
sebsebsebyes it's four, butNov 19 15:26
iophkI'd still say XFCE over GNOMENov 19 15:26
sebsebsebXFCE and LXDE won't be used for the eventNov 19 15:27
sebsebsebwell maybe in a cut down version , but other than that nopeNov 19 15:27
sebsebsebiophk: two Windows like interfacesNov 19 15:27
sebsebseband two something else'sNov 19 15:27
iophkIt looks like LXDE is being deprecated for LXQt, but that will take a while for distros to make the transition.Nov 19 15:27
sebsebsebmakes sense to meNov 19 15:27
iophkyes it makes sense.Nov 19 15:27
sebsebseb,but  wil the others see it like that or not is the thing,  and I am not so convincedNov 19 15:27
sebsebsebiophk: i was thinking I coud  maybe send out a email sayig  why I didstuffNov 19 15:28
sebsebseb,but idea is to do soething on Thursday talks, an showing of rematers etcNov 19 15:28
sebsebsebneed to make new ones stillNov 19 15:28
iophkget those new icons sets, sound profiles, and fonts ready by thenNov 19 15:28
sebsebsebtwo Wndows like interfaces, and two soething elses'  sounds like the way to go to meNov 19 15:29
sebsebseband  four is a even number toNov 19 15:29
sebsebseband  realy  we got Ubuntu twice or pretty much since the other is MintNov 19 15:29
sebsebsebso realy it's pretty much  just 3 distros not 4Nov 19 15:29
sebsebsebI think having Unity without GNOME Shell woul look a ibit odd to me for this  same the other way round reallyNov 19 15:30
sebsebseband  Cinnamon is one o the lighter  WIndows like interfaces, and KDE is a bit more diffret, so that makes senseNov 19 15:30
sebsebsebiophk: Cinnnamon,  Unity, and  KDE, would work as well really, but  the got two Widows like interfaces, and only one soething elseNov 19 15:31
sebsebsebwhich is a bit hmm to meNov 19 15:31
MinceRso a washed-up KDE, and three macos wannabesNov 19 15:33
DaemonFCshared a link via Open Source For You.Nov 19 15:33
DaemonFCabout a minute ago · EditedNov 19 15:33
DaemonFCI would never use Linux Mint. Their developers have a really bad attitude, and their fork of the GNOME software is questionable at best. Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to hold back security updates? Especially for the display server......Nov 19 15:33
MinceRyou could say that if the users like what they see, they can't do worse than thisNov 19 15:34
sebsebsebMinceR: heh heh  yeahNov 19 15:35
sebsebsebMinceR: Cinnamon isn't a Mac OS X wannabe though?Nov 19 15:35
MinceRit's a gnome2 forkNov 19 15:35
MinceRand gnome 2.x and 3.x are macos wannabesNov 19 15:35
sebsebsebDaemonFC: yeah indeedNov 19 15:35
MinceRto the extent of adopting their HIGNov 19 15:36
sebsebsebDaemonFC: well actsauy one of  our guysfor htis evet OpenSUS oneNov 19 15:36
MinceR(which is utterly retarded)Nov 19 15:36
sebsebsebDaemonFC: emailed us about thatNov 19 15:36
sebsebsebfor cosiderationNov 19 15:36
sebsebseb,but it's still in for the voteNov 19 15:36
sebsebsebMinceR: what did you mean by washed-up KDE?Nov 19 15:37
MinceRKDE jumped the shark at 4.0Nov 19 15:37
MinceRthey no longer focus on things that matterNov 19 15:37
sebsebseboh you don't likeKDE Nov 19 15:37
sebsebsebKDE seems to just stay the same for me in the past few release or ore of KDE 4Nov 19 15:37
sebsebsebI don't see the new stuffNov 19 15:38
MinceRi liked KDE up to 3.xNov 19 15:38
iophknor improvementNov 19 15:38
sebsebsebiophk: for KDE?Nov 19 15:38
MinceRit was powerful and reliableNov 19 15:38
iophkthere are many small problems that impair usabilityNov 19 15:38
iophkin KDENov 19 15:38
iophkUntil 4 it was good.Nov 19 15:38
sebsebsebKDE 4 isn't quite WIndows 7 or whatever eitherNov 19 15:38
iophkThey worked hard on usability Nov 19 15:38
sebsebsebthey'll find that hteire icons may move raoundNov 19 15:38
iophkbut not for 4Nov 19 15:38
sebsebseband a non technial user may not like thatNov 19 15:38
MinceRwell, vista is trying to be kdeNov 19 15:38
sebsebseband may fid it hard to try and move back etcNov 19 15:38
MinceR(and failing)Nov 19 15:38
sebsebsebalso if htey try and customise it even to change the backgroundNov 19 15:39
sebsebsebthey'll probaby find that it's very geeky to do soNov 19 15:39
sebsebsebso yeah I guess let openSUSE have it for the event then?Nov 19 15:40
sebsebsebI have my little brother using it before,  and  the icons moved around and what notNov 19 15:40
sebsebsebhave hadNov 19 15:40
sebsebsebcan lock icons, but that won't be defaultNov 19 15:40
sebsebsebI think or  whateverNov 19 15:41
sebsebsebGNOME Shell is alright, but better with a few extensions reallyNov 19 15:41
sebsebsebMinceR: iophk  and Cinnamon really exists, since Mate wanted to do smething differnetNov 19 15:42
sebsebsebinstead of going with GNOME 3Nov 19 15:42
sebsebseb,but Unity did something more interestig etcNov 19 15:43
MinceRfehNov 19 15:44
sebsebsebMinceR: you odn't like Uity ether??Nov 19 15:44
sebsebsebUnity is okish not really for meNov 19 15:45
MinceRi dislike unity most of the aboveNov 19 15:45
MinceRwith its macos-ish non-configurabilityNov 19 15:45
sebsebsebGNOME Shell is  better than UityNov 19 15:45
sebsebsebMinceR: yep  Unity is a Mac OS X ike interfaceNov 19 15:45
sebsebsebso is GNOME Shell really in certain waysNov 19 15:45
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MinceRindeedNov 19 15:46
iophkThe alt-tabbing in Unity is awkward.Nov 19 15:46
sebsebseband then KDE is  a bit ike Wndows 7 or hwatever, but mor geeky,  and  Cinnamon is a bit like 7 or whatever toNov 19 15:46
iophkThe active apps are not centered nor clearly highlighted.Nov 19 15:46
sebsebsebso realy for the event  I guess it's like your saying MinceRNov 19 15:46
MinceRmore like vista7 is a bit like KDENov 19 15:46
sebsebsebWindows, and Mac OS X ilke iterfacesNov 19 15:46
iophkThen there is the whole OS X-like mistake of tabbing apps rather than windows in apps.Nov 19 15:46
sebsebsebwhere's that specific Linux interface?Nov 19 15:46
sebsebseboh right there isn't oneNov 19 15:46
MinceRwell, there isn't one, but there are more powerful interfaces available on GNU/LinuxNov 19 15:46
iophkfvwmNov 19 15:47
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah, but fora non techiNov 19 15:47
sebsebsebit's those optois I putNov 19 15:47
sebsebsebor  maybe XFCE or LXDENov 19 15:47
sebsebsebad that's about it reayNov 19 15:47
MinceRfor a non-techy i can see important options: 1) similar to an OS/UI he already knows; 2) something utilitarian and 3) something flashyNov 19 15:50
sebsebsebMinceR: what do you mean ultitarian?Nov 19 15:51
sebsebsebI think having the four get all that or petty much?Nov 19 15:52
MinceRsomething that is focused on getting things done (your way), not on bling or on imitating something elseNov 19 15:52
sebsebsebok so Cinnamon is that one I guess?Nov 19 15:52
sebsebsebKDE is the siilar to 7 or whateverNov 19 15:52
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MinceRXFCE, LXDE and many classic WM-s do thatNov 19 15:53
MinceRi'm not sure about cinnamon, maybe it's sort of like thatNov 19 15:53
iophkhttp://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE-QtNov 19 15:53
MinceRi haven't used much of it (i did install and use mint on one of my laptops for a short while)Nov 19 15:53
TechrightsBot-trwiki.lxde.org | LXDE-Qt - LXDE.orgNov 19 15:53
sebsebsebGNOME Shell and Unity is the more flashy?Nov 19 15:53
sebsebsebreally he proposed CinnaonNov 19 15:54
sebsebsebsince he thinks t's like Widows 7Nov 19 15:54
sebsebsebhe thinks WIdows users wil ike thatNov 19 15:54
MinceRdunno, i know how flashy compiz and kde4 can beNov 19 15:54
sebsebsebI hope we get the four :)Nov 19 15:54
sebsebsebafter al thisNov 19 15:54
MinceRusers will not necessarily like what they're used to, as the point of switching would be to get improvements :>Nov 19 15:54
sebsebsebtwo Widows like, two Mac os x LIKENov 19 15:54
sebsebsebor whatever you want to sayNov 19 15:54
sebsebsebMinceR: exactlyNov 19 15:55
sebsebsebMinceR: it's good to have diffenret ones there toNov 19 15:55
sebsebsebthey may want to try something differnetNov 19 15:55
sebsebsebthat doesn't look like WindowsNov 19 15:55
sebsebsebKDE and Cinnamon looking nore like Widows, with Unity and GNOME Shell as the something diffenretNov 19 15:55
MinceRwell, you could show off stuff like desktop grid and desktop cube on kdeNov 19 15:56
MinceRalso, wobbly windows and window create/delete animationsNov 19 15:57
sebsebsebwel yeah could do, but won't be for thisNov 19 15:57
sebsebsebseems I have to sell the iea of 4 interfaces on Thursday to now uhNov 19 15:57
sebsebsebMinceR: iophk  I suppoue whatever happens with this silly votig stuff etc,  I still got FOSDEM next yaear to celebrate the Mageai 4 release a bbit and what otNov 19 16:00
sebsebsebassumming it's releaed to the public on time for FOSDENov 19 16:00
sebsebsebMNov 19 16:00
iophkThe new contract with M$ puts Nokia in a hard spot.  M$ is only licensing the patents so if Nokia is to try to make money on that part of the deal it has to play patent troll for M$. Nov 19 16:03
sebsebsebiophk: I am not sure if it's understoo that I meant having a cut down version at least oneNov 19 16:07
sebsebsebwith the proposals as well or notNov 19 16:07
iophkIf you wrote it, it's there.  If not, it's not.Nov 19 16:07
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sebsebsebiophk: I did proposals for cut downsNov 19 16:08
sebsebseb,but seperate from  other propas or whatever,  Nov 19 16:08
sebsebsebiophk: confussig  propspals system seeNov 19 16:08
sebsebsebiophk: maybe I should let him do that cut down no problemNov 19 16:14
sebsebsebiophk: otheriwse I got to do a puppy linux ting hmmNov 19 16:14
iophkThat's why it would have been better to decide on the DEs first.Nov 19 16:16
iophkIt'll be interesting if Puppy makes the final list.Nov 19 16:16
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309443Nov 19 16:18
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schestowitz".. because their whole business model is based on prosecuting their customers .."Nov 19 16:18
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309420Nov 19 16:19
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #NSA profiling (e.g. for drone strikes) and #espionage is worse than "against free speech"; it's against free/anonymous reading/learningNov 19 16:19
schestowitz"They've been attacking financial networks as well. So you could as easily add theft/fraud to the list. The NSA is a criminal conspiracy."Nov 19 16:19
schestowitzA lot of the military industrial complex is shady and murderous like that.Nov 19 16:19
DaemonFC2 seconds agoNov 19 16:19
DaemonFCI wonder how many people will show up at Freedom Indiana's anti-HJR-6 meeting in Huntington.Nov 19 16:19
DaemonFCI'm considering whether I want to go or not. I know this is going to sound terrible, but I'm trying to figure out how I have a stake in this. Of course, it would piss off the far right, and that's always fun all by itself.Nov 19 16:19
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Nov 19 16:21
schestowitz> Nov 19 16:21
schestowitz> I will indeed be meeting him at the rail station, which is only a short 5 minute walk from our campus. Will you be travelling in by rail yourself?Nov 19 16:21
schestowitzYes, but I have not yet booked a train because I don't know what time to arrive, who to meet, etc. That's why I need your help.Nov 19 16:21
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sebsebsebiophk: I think sinc how these proposals are doneNov 19 16:24
sebsebsebiophk: and how they are gong to get voted onNov 19 16:24
sebsebsebiophk: I think I have to out vote puppyNov 19 16:24
sebsebseblet him make the cut down and that's thatNov 19 16:25
sebsebsebiophk: might not even get to my main proposals, depending on how things goNov 19 16:25
sebsebsebthey may not get voted on at all nowNov 19 16:25
sebsebsebiophk: maybe I shuld show you that document, I have gone wrong for sure it seemsNov 19 16:27
iophkI wouldn't be able to do anythingNov 19 16:27
sebsebsebtrue, but you could see what I am on aboutNov 19 16:27
sebsebsebiophk: what does F/A/O mean on the side?Nov 19 16:30
sebsebsebis it a tick boNov 19 16:30
sebsebsebxNov 19 16:30
sebsebseblooks like tick box thereNov 19 16:30
iophkside of what?Nov 19 16:30
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/402735462588362752Nov 19 16:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Huge jump in #FOIA requests to #NSA  http://t.co/Wa1pNe8Lxi and #fbi http://t.co/48UQwoQAwVNov 19 16:30
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iophkHow will you do the voting?Nov 19 16:30
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Morality124/status/402797279154696192Nov 19 16:30
TechrightsBot-tr@Morality124: @schestowitz I wonder why. ;)Nov 19 16:30
iophkroot mean squared ranking ?Nov 19 16:31
sebsebsebiophk: the guy who's in America will send him what he wants,  if he wants to voteNov 19 16:32
sebsebseband he'll vote for himNov 19 16:32
sebsebsebiophk: and the rest of us at the meeting, after  demo's have been show and promotion talks and suchNov 19 16:32
sebsebsebiophk: shame Unity isn't in many other distors in a wayNov 19 16:33
sebsebsebI mean could have said no I'll use my own distro for that if so :)Nov 19 16:33
iophkI was kind of expecting Unity to be ported upstream to Debian,Nov 19 16:34
iophkbut I guess there must be some reasons not to.Nov 19 16:34
sebsebsebshame about the lack of Cinanamon and Mate Live Media's even when  Mageia 4 comes out in FebruaryNov 19 16:34
MinceRyou could probably make an ubuntu fork with unity, but there isn't much of a pointNov 19 16:34
sebsebsebyep seems' hardy any otherdistros will have itNov 19 16:34
sebsebsebsince the  technical reaosns and poloticalNov 19 16:34
sebsebsebsince it wasn't from a standard upstreamNov 19 16:35
sebsebsebit's from Canoncal who play upstream now for those things, and  want to be  a platform and all thatNov 19 16:35
sebsebseband then a lot of people don't trust htem quite, since they are commericl and have a copyright assignments policy as wellNov 19 16:35
sebsebsebiophk: MinceR don't you think it' a bit odd in a way, if GNOME 3 goes out though,  with Unity,  but more specifically Cinnamon in for thisNov 19 16:36
sebsebsebCinnamon exists since the GNOME  3 whinersNov 19 16:36
*MinceR shrugsNov 19 16:36
sebsebseband Mint not wanting to go with it and do soething differnet, and I think  Unity  going on the desktop is a silar kind of thingNov 19 16:36
sebsebsebthat was just going to be a netbook interace to begin withNov 19 16:37
MinceRwhat did you expect when opensuse and ubuntu were the distros they most insisted on?Nov 19 16:37
sebsebsebMinceR: I am not out voted yetNov 19 16:37
sebsebseb,but I  will be now  since done proposals wrong a bitNov 19 16:37
sebsebsebunless I can persuae to have all 4 distrosNov 19 16:37
sebsebsebMinceR: openSUSE and Mint was what was most insisted onNov 19 16:37
sebsebsebthen Ubuntu guy comes along to, and that gets added into the mix,  but orinaly  it wasl ike 2 or 3 distrosNov 19 16:38
sebsebsebI think we should have just said 4 in a way from the beginign,  or when he wanted Ubuntu or somethingNov 19 16:38
MinceRicNov 19 16:39
sebsebseband the formal stuff could have been done sooner really as iophk suggested,  or hwateverNov 19 16:39
MinceRmaybe the goals should have been clarified at the startNov 19 16:39
sebsebsebMinceR: now I need all 4 in Nov 19 16:39
sebsebsebMinceR: or my proposlas are outNov 19 16:39
sebsebsebMinceR: he tried to exxplain the  how voting would be doneNov 19 16:40
sebsebseb,but then did proposals in this conussing documentNov 19 16:40
sebsebsebthat he wanted edited in a certain way, an I had issues with htatNov 19 16:40
sebsebseband then he suggtes less propsls, and I get stressed out editing the document a few times to and such whichdoesn't help thingsNov 19 16:41
sebsebsebiophk: shoudn't there be a way to change proplss after seeing demo's and such surely? or a bitNov 19 16:42
sebsebseb,but not sure if that's gong to get done or not eitherNov 19 16:43
sebsebsebI mean after the demo's and speeches?Nov 19 16:43
MinceRit's a pity they don't explain what's wrong about gtk+ 3.x in the lxde-qt post or the referred postNov 19 16:44
MinceRi was interestedNov 19 16:44
MinceRstill, i guess this makes lxde more interesting to me :>Nov 19 16:44
sebsebsebMinceR: Ubuntu was gong qtqml for UnityNov 19 16:45
MinceRi don't see how that affects lxdeNov 19 16:46
sebsebsebnot raelly read the lxde thing yetNov 19 16:46
MinceRhttp://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE-QtNov 19 16:47
TechrightsBot-trwiki.lxde.org | LXDE-Qt - LXDE.orgNov 19 16:47
MinceRhttp://blog.lxde.org/?p=1013Nov 19 16:47
TechrightsBot-trblog.lxde.org | LXDE - LXDE-Qt PreviewNov 19 16:47
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schestowitzmeeting rms...Nov 19 17:06
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Nov 19 17:06
schestowitz> Nov 19 17:06
schestowitz> I am hosting Richard so I will be meeting him from the station, and he will be staying with me that evening. Currently Richard is not sure exactly which train he will take, as his ticket is open to and from London, although he has expressed an interest in arriving around 17:00. When I get a firm time I will relay to you, if that would help? I'd be happy to meet you at the train station, or on the university campus.Nov 19 17:06
schestowitzRichard told me he might arrive at round 13:00, so I guess the arrival time is still uncertain. Given this uncertainty, please do let me know when there are clearer plans, I'd really appreciate it.Nov 19 17:06
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iophkNov 19 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettysburg_AddressNov 19 17:16
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307632Nov 19 17:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "the Free Software Foundation aims for a cloud that foils state-sponsored snooping" http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/gnus-novel-proposal-cloud-puts-privacy-first-228599 #fsfNov 19 17:46
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schestowitz"And the drugs, the terrists will force the child'un to take! Oh the humanity!"Nov 19 17:46
schestowitziophk: what about it?Nov 19 17:46
schestowitziophk: today I learned that someone I knew from Finland (she worked here for some years and studied) had moved to SwedenNov 19 17:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307265Nov 19 17:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FBI Stops Responding To The Most Prolific FOIA Filer, Because He Might Actually Learn Something http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131118/01542825271/fbi-stops-responding-to-most-prolific-foia-filer-because-he-might-actually-learn-something.shtml #fbuNov 19 17:47
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schestowitz"Yeah, I'd just think that for PR purposes they'd at least want to make up some kind of weakly, plausible sounding excuse for the unwashed masses..."Nov 19 17:47
schestowitzFBI as "accountable". It's worse to have the perception (fake) of it than to have none at all.Nov 19 17:47
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307452Nov 19 17:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/15/richard-stallman-letter/ http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/spouse-of-a-stratfor-client/Nov 19 17:48
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schestowitz"Nov 19 17:48
schestowitzThe letter,Nov 19 17:48
schestowitz###Nov 19 17:48
schestowitz[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden’s example.Nov 19 17:48
schestowitzReferences about GNU and Linux: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html Reference about copyleft: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/Nov 19 17:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnu.org | GNU/Linux FAQ - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/h4tu ]Nov 19 17:48
schestowitzDear Judge Preska I’ve been proud to call myself a hacker since 1971. That’s when I was hired by the MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab to join the team that developed the lab’s operating systems — for which the unofficial job title was “system hacker”. My subsequent hacking career has included developing the GNU operating system, which is often erroneously called “Linux”, and the legal hack of “copyleft” which uses Nov 19 17:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnu.org | About the GNU Project - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/9q80v ]Nov 19 17:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnu.org | What is Copyleft? - GNU Project - Free Software FoundationNov 19 17:48
schestowitzcopyright law to ensure that all users of a program are free to redistribute it and change it. I’ve received numerous awards and doctorates for my hacking, and have been invited twice to publish articles in law reviews.Nov 19 17:48
schestowitzBeing a hacker means practicing and enjoying playful cleverness. (See stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html.) It does not particularly have to do with breaking security. Indeed, no one ever broke security on the AI lab’s system, because we decided not to implement any.Nov 19 17:48
schestowitzThat decision, made by the original team members who became my mentors, was not taken lightly: it was the result of careful political and philosophical thought. Instead of keeping most users (those without “privileges” — which already sounds like a prison) shackled so that they could not hurt each other, we thought the lab members and guest users could learn to get along as a community, choosing not to hurt each other. And they Nov 19 17:48
schestowitzdid!Nov 19 17:48
schestowitzThis example is not unusual for hackers. From the beginning, hackers’ taste for playful cleverness has often gone along with a sense of social responsibility, concern for others’ well-being. Jeremy Hammond is a fine example of a socially responsible hacker. He found a clever way to expose the many nefarious deeds that Stratfor was planning and proposing.Nov 19 17:48
schestowitzPeople should not be allowed to enter others’ computers without permission; but when punishing someone for virtual trespassing, we ought to consider his motive. Those who trespass as part of a nonviolent protest, either physically or virtually, should not receive severe punishments. Those who act neither for gain nor for malice should not receive severe punishments. Imagine where our country would be if the civil rights and antiwar Nov 19 17:48
schestowitzsit-ins had been punished by years in prison! If we do not want the US to be like Putin’s Russia, imposing long sentences on protesters, we must steer clear of doing so. That applies to virtual protests as well as physical ones.Nov 19 17:49
schestowitzI therefore respectfully suggest that Hammond be sentenced to community service. To make use of his skills and abilities, this service could consist of helping nonprofit organizations protect their personal data. Sincerely, Richard Stallman Lead developer of the GNU system (gnu.org) President, Free Software Foundation (fsf.org) MacArthur Fellow Internet hall-of-famer (internethalloffame.org)Nov 19 17:49
schestowitz"Nov 19 17:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306032Nov 19 17:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-sailfish-os-phone-november-27-release/ #jolla #linux #nokia #meegoNov 19 17:49
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.digitaltrends.com | Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 | Digital Trends  [ http://ur1.ca/g23w8 ]Nov 19 17:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306032Nov 19 17:59
schestowitz"Ok. Well here's hoping for as much open as possible. WIll be interesting to see what comes out on the 27'th. If I wanted a phone that had a bunch of FOSS under the hood, but a proprietary GUI that locked out most current FOSS apps, I'd get an iPhone."Nov 19 17:59
iophkhttp://gigaom.com/2013/11/19/heres-what-we-know-about-european-collaboration-with-the-nsa/Nov 19 18:07
TechrightsBot-trgigaom.com | Here’s what we know about European collaboration with the NSA — Tech News and Analysis  [ http://ur1.ca/g2azn ]Nov 19 18:07
iophkhttp://www.kansas.com/2013/11/18/3126980/lincolns-gettysburg-address-delivered.htmlNov 19 18:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.kansas.com | Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address changed the American psyche, KU professor says | Wichita Eagle  [ http://ur1.ca/g2b06 ]Nov 19 18:11
schestowitzWow, Norway too?Nov 19 18:17
iophkYep.  Millions.Nov 19 18:18
iophkThey're now arguing over how much the law was broken.Nov 19 18:18
iophkIn Sweden there was also something about SÄPO wanting permanent wiretaps on Internet traffic or something like that.  Nov 19 18:19
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sebsebsebiophk: uh I made a stupid commentNov 19 18:25
sebsebsebiophk:  in the emai to him earlierNov 19 18:25
sebsebsebgot the relyNov 19 18:25
iophkokNov 19 18:25
sebsebsebiophk: wlel not jut him to allNov 19 18:25
sebsebsebiophk: trying to explain it and such, but uhNov 19 18:25
sebsebsebI am not really a email prsonNov 19 18:26
schestowitziophk: Sweden helps spy on RussiaNov 19 18:40
iophkYes, many of the cables go through.Nov 19 18:40
iophkSome guess that is why Google is building a center on the border just inside Finland.Nov 19 18:40
iophkon the Russian border.Nov 19 18:41
iophkThey bought up a whole industry park and are right next to two power stations.Nov 19 18:41
iophkhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/04/us-google-finland-center-idUSBRE9A308Y20131104Nov 19 18:51
TechrightsBot-trwww.reuters.com | Google lifts post-Nokia hopes with Finnish data centre investment | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/g2b77 ]Nov 19 18:51
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schestowitziophk: postedNov 19 19:15
schestowitzinteresting angleNov 19 19:15
schestowitzmaybe they want Google to help make Finland another SwedenNov 19 19:15
schestowitzinformant against RussiaNov 19 19:15
schestowitzthat can't be good for Finnish national securityNov 19 19:15
schestowitzbefore you know it they'll drink tank fuel like spirit against fighting KGB warlord Vlad PutinNov 19 19:16
schestowitz*again,Nov 19 19:16
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3311376Nov 19 19:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How Munich rejected Steve Ballmer and kicked Microsoft out of the city http://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-munich-rejected-steve-ballmer-and-kicked-microsoft-out-of-the-city/ allegedly #ballmer tried to bribe themNov 19 19:49
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techrepublic.com | How Munich rejected Steve Ballmer and kicked Microsoft out of the city - Feature - TechRepublic  [ http://ur1.ca/g2bol ]Nov 19 19:49
schestowitz"I know this story :) Our Mayor told us this on the Linux Days."Nov 19 19:49
schestowitzhttp://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_11_19-google_calls_me_spammer_for_rms_letter/letters_of_support.pdfNov 19 19:50
schestowitz"Thanks, riveraldez. Looking around a little, I discovered that RMS's letter is one of many submitted to Preska on Hammond's behalf. Strangely, the pdf copy is no longer on the Free Jeremy site where Google says it was, so I made a pdf print of Google's cache. RMS wrote his letter on October 22nd and it was published in a document titled "Case 1:12-cr-00185-LAP Document 56-7 Filed 11/01/13 ""Nov 19 19:50
iophkLocation of Hamina  : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HaminaNov 19 20:20
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Hamina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 19 20:20
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3305623Nov 19 20:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Android’s GNU/Linux-based Rivals Are Doing Pretty Well http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/android-linux-rivals/ #android #linux #tizen #jollaNov 19 20:51
schestowitz"Dunno, so far only Jolla brings a Phone to market i think?"Nov 19 20:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Android’s GNU/Linux-based Rivals Are Doing Pretty Well | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g2c1d ]Nov 19 20:51
schestowitzhttp://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/744744-10-best-quotes-from-linus-torvalds-keynote-at-linuxcon-europeNov 19 21:02
TechrightsBot-trwww.linux.com | 10 Best Quotes from Linus Torvalds' Keynote at LinuxCon Europe | Linux.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g2c2t ]Nov 19 21:02
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schestowitzhttp://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/mobile-cloud-view/ceo-roadkill-sign-that-disruption-is-catching-up-with-the-old-guard/Nov 19 21:51
TechrightsBot-tritknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com | CEO roadkill sign that disruption is catching up with the old guard - View From Above  [ http://ur1.ca/g2cb4 ]Nov 19 21:51
schestowitzthe Microsoft booster bashes mainframes because they run Linux http://www.zdnet.com/the-immortal-mainframe-and-what-it-means-for-the-future-of-application-development-7000023338/Nov 19 21:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.zdnet.com | The immortal mainframe and what it means for the future of application development | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2cc3 ]Nov 19 21:59
schestowitzIs this paid endorsement?Nov 19 22:15
schestowitzLinux Journal promoting proprietary again http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/sublime-text-one-editor-rule-them-all?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+linuxjournalcom+%28Linux+Journal+-+The+Original+Magazine+of+the+Linux+Community%29Nov 19 22:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.linuxjournal.com | Sublime Text: One Editor to Rule Them All? | Linux Journal  [ http://ur1.ca/g2cfa ]Nov 19 22:16
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iophkhttp://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=www.techrights.orgNov 20 08:19
TechrightsBot-trdevelopers.google.com | PageSpeed Insights  [ http://ur1.ca/g2f0g ]Nov 20 08:19
iophk"The Lumia/Windows Phone business unit will at some point be closed down at Microsoft after enough money is thrown into that endless pit"Nov 20 08:19
iophk"I will soon release my book on the Elop Effect"Nov 20 08:19
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/11/its-now-official-nokia-shareholders-approved-the-deal.htmlNov 20 08:19
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Its Now Official, Nokia Shareholders Approved the Deal  [ http://ur1.ca/g2f0h ]Nov 20 08:19
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309256Nov 20 09:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Why are some of the most powerful people in Britain so terrified of a bunch of students?" http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/18/police-students-threat-law-and-order-politics not yet debt-saddledNov 20 09:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Police are cracking down on students – but what threat to law and order is an over-articulate history graduate? | Aditya Chakrabortty | Comment is free | The Guardian  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fd6 ]Nov 20 09:42
schestowitz"This is happening in the US as well. City University of New York with Petreus as well as at Berkely with tuition hike protests over the last couple years. Quebec last year had a major crackdown on their student movement, the so-called "Maple Spring.""Nov 20 09:42
schestowitzMaybe they need to shove more debt down the students' throats to make them more scared and obedient with paralysis. :/Nov 20 09:42
schestowitziophk: no very major errorNov 20 09:43
schestowitzi checked this on android tablet and phoneNov 20 09:43
iophkok goodNov 20 09:44
schestowitzred exclamation points are mostly performancr relatedNov 20 09:44
iophkthere are several subpages to check tooNov 20 09:44
schestowitzand they don't like redirectsNov 20 09:44
schestowitzi could never set uo .htaccess to achieve thisNov 20 09:44
iophk.htaccess is only a subset of what you can really do  in the regular vhost configuration fileNov 20 09:45
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309026Nov 20 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: Occupy Wall St.Nov 20 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by sunny_day@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_b6e7de528f4bec51d9e7.jpgNov 20 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by sunny_day@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_b6e7de528f4bec51d9e7.jpgNov 20 09:45
schestowitz"I was going to say the same thing, Bugs. You could probably add up all the Americans killed by terrorism in the entire 20th century and it still wouldn't equal 5,000."Nov 20 09:45
iophkAbout the Guardian article, chalk on a limestone wall will etch it.  So technically it is vandalism.  I forget the chemistry though.Nov 20 09:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307504Nov 20 09:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: U.S. justices won't review intelligence court action on phone records  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-court-intelligence-20131118,0,7821882.story leaving it to secret societies and deptsNov 20 09:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.chicagotribune.com | U.S. justices won't review intelligence court action on phone records - chicagotribune.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g25f6 ]Nov 20 09:48
schestowitz"Unlimited corporate money for elections they can take the time, but challenges to the Constitution, meh."Nov 20 09:48
iophkhttp://falkvinge.net/2013/11/19/swedish-regime-to-give-police-customs-tax-authorities-realtime-access-to-citizens-phone-mail-more/Nov 20 09:50
TechrightsBot-trfalkvinge.net | Swedish Regime To Give Police, Customs, Tax Authorities Realtime Access to Citizens' Phone, Mail, More - Falkvinge on Infopolicy  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fe7 ]Nov 20 09:50
iophka follow up to that comment yesterday.Nov 20 09:50
iophkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2064940/ubuntu-linux-server-with-arm-processor-rolled-out-by-boston-limited.htmlNov 20 09:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcworld.com | Ubuntu Linux server with ARM processor rolled out by Boston Limited | PCWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fep ]Nov 20 09:54
schestowitzseen thatNov 20 09:55
iophkArmNov 20 09:55
iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/19/lavabit_analysis/Nov 20 10:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Lavabit founder: Feds ORDERED email providers to stay open • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fhq ]Nov 20 10:19
schestowitzhttp://englishrussia.com/2013/11/19/top-25-fantastic-soviet-buildings/Nov 20 10:23
TechrightsBot-trenglishrussia.com | Top 25 Fantastic Soviet Buildings | English Russia  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fic ]Nov 20 10:23
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iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2307982/luxembourg-is-happy-with-microsofts-data-protectionNov 20 10:43
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Luxembourg is happy with Microsoft's data protection    - The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fku ]Nov 20 10:43
MinceRHow many Marxists does it take to change a lightbulb?Nov 20 11:52
MinceRNone. The lightbulb contains the seeds of its own revolution.Nov 20 11:52
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3311989Nov 20 16:57
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Won't Be Powered By Mir http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUxOTQNov 20 16:57
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Won't Be Powered By Mir  [ http://ur1.ca/g2d51 ]Nov 20 16:57
schestowitz"So beloved X is not ready to die yet:Nov 20 16:57
schestowitziophk: inaccurate headlineNov 20 16:57
schestowitzthe INQ chooses to santionaliseNov 20 16:58
iophkMir won't be in LTSNov 20 16:58
schestowitz"Fairly predictable. I mean it's an LTS. I guarantee you they'll push it on 14.10 regardless of readiness."Nov 20 16:58
schestowitziophk: Canonical won't be in it, eitherNov 20 16:59
schestowitz:-Nov 20 16:59
schestowitzUbuntu's short lifecycle causes problerms at workNov 20 16:59
schestowitza government client still uses 9.04Nov 20 16:59
iophkyes, it's almost uselessNov 20 16:59
schestowitzand the repos are not there, the CMS is almost imposible to run on a shadow box, but we tryNov 20 16:59
iophkLTS will be the only way to go, if it measures up.Nov 20 16:59
schestowitz4 nights of works in vainNov 20 16:59
schestowitzDebian has a lot longer when it comes to supportNov 20 17:00
iophkBut if it does not , people will just have to  go back to DebianNov 20 17:00
schestowitz5 years I think?Nov 20 17:00
iophkIt variesNov 20 17:00
schestowitzRHEL and others about 10 yearsNov 20 17:00
schestowitzSUSE also expanded to 10Nov 20 17:00
schestowitzDebian is our in-house standardNov 20 17:00
schestowitzused by defauly everywhereNov 20 17:00
schestowitzsome get taken by the ubuntu hype among he clientNov 20 17:00
schestowitzand they pay dearly for itNov 20 17:00
iophkDebian is about 3 years on averageNov 20 17:01
iophkUpgrade is better with a clean install I thinkNov 20 17:01
iophkI think the only support one release back from -stableNov 20 17:03
iophkNot sure.Nov 20 17:03
iophkTheir pages have little support info.Nov 20 17:03
iophkOpenBSD has a steady release cycle, which is about mandatory, but the upgrades are reliable.Nov 20 17:04
iophkThere's a new 3rd party support option: http://www.mtier.org/news/openbsd-ports-lt-support/Nov 20 17:06
TechrightsBot-trwww.mtier.org | OpenBSD Ports Long Term Support » M:Tier  [ http://ur1.ca/g2h0b ]Nov 20 17:06
iophkBut that only buys you 6 months to a year.Nov 20 17:06
iophkDebian Lenny was supported for 2 yearsNov 20 17:08
iophkhttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny/Nov 20 17:08
TechrightsBot-trwiki.debian.org | DebianLenny - Debian WikiNov 20 17:08
iophkSorry.  3 yearsNov 20 17:09
iophk2009 - 2012Nov 20 17:09
iophkAbout the warranty period for low end equipment anywayNov 20 17:09
schestowitztheir upgrades are said to be reliableNov 20 17:10
schestowitzI never had issues wuth Canonical's either, except I needed to gtechnical kn owledge to make the machine bootable after the upgradeNov 20 17:10
schestowitzit wasn't so clean at allNov 20 17:10
iophkDebian is supported for about 3 years the previous 4 releases;Nov 20 17:15
iophkhttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleasesNov 20 17:15
TechrightsBot-trwiki.debian.org | DebianReleases - Debian WikiNov 20 17:15
iophkeachNov 20 17:15
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3313662Nov 20 17:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Will a shot of Android be enough to save BlackBerry? http://www.zdnet.com/will-a-shot-of-android-be-enough-to-save-blackberry-7000023331/ #android #linux or #meego could save #nokiaNov 20 17:46
schestowitz"Nah, they are toast."Nov 20 17:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.zdnet.com | Will a shot of Android be enough to save BlackBerry? | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2h4x ]Nov 20 17:46
iophkQNX was a good choice, technically.Nov 20 17:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307530Nov 20 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Capitalism and Unemployment  http://truth-out.org/news/item/20015-capitalism-and-unemployment "manage unemployment by reducing everyone's work week by 7.5 per cent"Nov 20 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr-> truth-out.org | Capitalism and Unemployment  [ http://ur1.ca/g28m4 ]Nov 20 17:50
schestowitz"@Jesse - All your suggestions are good and valid. I would love to see them all implemented. Things like this will generally face a tough battle though, precisely because, while good for human health and society, they are less efficient at producing capital, ergo groups with a lot of capital (and thus with money and power to spare) will likely oppose them. That's not to say it can't be done, or that we shouldn't try. We should. It's Nov 20 17:51
schestowitzjust that in a capitalist society, fighting against anything that resists more efficient generation of capital (regardless of it's social and moral good) will always be an uphill battle."Nov 20 17:51
iophkold - http://www.golem.de/news/standarddesktop-debian-ersetzt-gnome-durch-xfce-1311-102578.htmlNov 20 17:53
TechrightsBot-trwww.golem.de | Standarddesktop: Debian ersetzt Gnome durch Xfce - Golem.de  [ http://ur1.ca/g2h5q ]Nov 20 17:53
iophknot a final decision yetNov 20 17:55
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TechrightsBot-trwww.washingtonpost.com | Software patent reform just died in the House, thanks to IBM and Microsoft  [ http://ur1.ca/g2hib ]Nov 20 19:10
iophkpretending that the problem is "bad" patents rather than software patents in and of themselvesNov 20 19:12
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MinceRhttp://loltheists.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/NdGT1.jpgNov 20 19:24
MinceRhmm... Book of Origin, you say? :>Nov 20 19:24
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SosumilulzNov 20 20:33
MinceRhttp://loltheists.com/?p=3245Nov 20 20:44
TechrightsBot-trloltheists.com | A Priest mocks creationismNov 20 20:44
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msb__MAJOR MESSING WITH THE INTERNET!  http://allthingsd.com/20131120/how-somebody-forced-the-worlds-internet-traffic-through-belarus-and-iceland/Nov 20 21:12
TechrightsBot-trallthingsd.com | Someone Forced World Internet Traffic Through Belarus and Iceland - Arik Hesseldahl - News - AllThingsD  [ http://ur1.ca/g2i01 ]Nov 20 21:12
Sosumiand winamp will be no more after december the 20thNov 20 21:17
Sosuminever used it anyways and now, never willNov 20 21:18
iophkhttp://www.clementine-player.org/downloadsNov 20 21:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.clementine-player.org | Downloads | Clementine Music Player  [ http://ur1.ca/g2i16 ]Nov 20 21:20
msb__Wow, fancy!  I just use hierarchical directories and soft-links to organize my music, with a couple of bash scripts to help, and mplayer (which will play any format and record any stream) and xmms (for which I have a lot of equalizer specs stored) to play it.Nov 20 21:30
msb__...and google to look up lyrics.Nov 20 21:31
msb__...and mc in konsoles to select it to play.  Being paranoid, I prefer using very simple techniques instead of a complex program that could hiccup and delete everything, or develop a database fault that leaves everything unfindable.  Nov 20 21:35
iophk!google microsoft opensuseNov 20 21:40
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Microsoft and SUSE Renew Successful Interoperability Agreement ... | https://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.htmlNov 20 21:40
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - The Microsoft SUSE Alliance Website | https://www.moreinterop.com/Nov 20 21:40
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Microsoft and SUSE extend Microsoft's controversial Novell Linux ... | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-and-suse-extend-microsofts-controversial-novell-linux-pact/10164Nov 20 21:40
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - openSUSE:Novell involvement - openSUSE | http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Novell_involvementNov 20 21:40
msb__Yuck!  Well, it doesn't seem to have harmed the OpenSuse distro any (except for KDE4, which I don't use), and the latest version of OpenSuse still makes KDE3 available.  I don't know if any other distro does.  Nov 20 21:43
iophkIt's getting too much buzz from people that should know better.Nov 20 21:44
msb__Of course there's always the TDE fork of KDE3, for lots of distros:  http://www.trinitydesktop.org/Nov 20 21:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.trinitydesktop.org | Trinity Desktop EnvironmentNov 20 21:44
iophkThen also some of that marketing has to be coming from M$ Nov 20 21:44
msb__iophk: What, people claiming that MS connection to Linux is a good thing?Nov 20 21:45
iophkMostly ignorance of the problemNov 20 21:45
iophkand denial that it is a bad thingNov 20 21:45
msb__Well, I now have this linked from my Linux page, so I'm doing my part:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/MICROSOFTS_WAR_AGAINST_LINUX.htmlNov 20 21:48
TechrightsBot-trcosmicpenguin.com | MICROSOFT'S WAR AGAINST LINUX  [ http://ur1.ca/6f05a ]Nov 20 21:48
iophkmbs__: anything about M$ Suse?Nov 20 21:50
iophk"When people started taking MBA seriously, that was the beginning of the ruination of the American industrial society. "Nov 20 21:54
iophkhttp://home.online.no/~corneliu/mother1.htmNov 20 21:54
TechrightsBot-trhome.online.no | The Mother of All Interviews: Part 1  [ http://ur1.ca/g2i7d ]Nov 20 21:54
msb__In the WAR page?  No, but I can't pinpoint any harm that has actually resulted from it.  I was told by someone involved that the feature list for KDE4 was created by focus groups populated by ignorant MS users, hence its emphasis on more than 100 bling adjustments and lack of concern with functionality, but I can't find anything about that on the Web and my source doesn't want to be named.Nov 20 21:55
msb__So I just consider KDE4 to be crap and recommend that people not use it.  Although I do use a few of its apps, which are improved from the KDE3 versions.Nov 20 21:57
Sosumialso IBM and guess whatNov 20 22:02
SosumiM$ killed some patent reformNov 20 22:02
Sosumihttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/20/1834248/software-patent-reform-stalls-thanks-to-ibm-and-microsoft-lobbying?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitterNov 20 22:03
TechrightsBot-tryro.slashdot.org | Software Patent Reform Stalls Thanks To IBM and Microsoft Lobbying - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/g2i92 ]Nov 20 22:03
msb__Gack!  I though IBM were good guys.Nov 20 22:04
Sosumiin some countries lobbying is called is called bribingNov 20 22:04
msb__Question to Zappa: "How have you managed to avoid becoming an insurance executive?"Nov 20 22:04
msb__Sosumi: In all countries, among people who are conscious.Nov 20 22:05
Sosumi:)Nov 20 22:05
Sosumibut IBM is hardly any goodNov 20 22:05
msb__It did help Linux some years ago.Nov 20 22:06
SosumiI know, but because it also benefited themNov 20 22:06
msb__But I guess Big Iron is now eventually doomed, so IBM is getting desperate.Nov 20 22:06
Sosumione hand washed the other, no big deal, until it actually isNov 20 22:07
Sosumihow's big iron doomed?Nov 20 22:07
msb__Replaced by networks of PCs running Linux.Nov 20 22:07
Sosumistill big ironNov 20 22:07
iophkOr DragonflyBSD or QNXNov 20 22:08
iophkthose clusterNov 20 22:08
iophkbut the mainframe might still be more efficientNov 20 22:08
msb__Right, I should have said "cluster", not "network".Nov 20 22:09
Sosuminothing beats rack mounted servers when it comes efficiencyNov 20 22:09
Sosumiand IBM still makes thoseNov 20 22:09
iophkThey're doing a big push with PPC now.Nov 20 22:09
Sosumiincluding their niche of Power based racksNov 20 22:10
Sosumiwell, if they hadn't killed it in the workstation spaceNov 20 22:10
Sosumithey'd be in a better spot nowNov 20 22:10
MinceRapparently even ARM is coming to the server room nowNov 20 22:10
iophkYes at the low end or something.Nov 20 22:10
Sosumicaldexa and hp are doing thatNov 20 22:11
Sosumihp moonshot, I think that's the nameNov 20 22:11
Sosumiwhat we need, and I say in generalNov 20 22:12
Sosumiis a big war on x86Nov 20 22:12
Sosumiand intelNov 20 22:12
iophkget rid of bothNov 20 22:12
msb__It's like a seething pond of rapidly evolving protozoa.Nov 20 22:12
Sosumifor now, just to beat their shareNov 20 22:12
Sosumibut it seems that neither IBM nor oracle want to throw in workstation based on sparc or ppcNov 20 22:13
Sosumiwhich is plain sadNov 20 22:13
iophkIs it some kind of collusion?Nov 20 22:13
SosuminoNov 20 22:14
Sosumijust relaunch the sparcstations and the ppc thinkstationsNov 20 22:14
iophkApple turned coat and went x86Nov 20 22:14
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iophkthe PPC were better built I thinkNov 20 22:14
msb__Taiwan just keeps churning out good mobos for AMD and Intel CPUs.Nov 20 22:14
Sosumiapple couldn't even do the compiler right for ppcNov 20 22:14
iophkOracle could have been promoting Sparc but hasn't.Nov 20 22:15
Sosumithey were using a modified version of gcc which didn't include any of the ppc specific instructionsNov 20 22:15
Sosumiinstead you had to get the IBM compilerNov 20 22:16
msb__How much more bang for the buck would you get from PPC, Sparc, etc., than from X86-64?  Nov 20 22:16
Sosumialso XNU kind of chocked under extremly heavy loadNov 20 22:16
Sosumiso for apple going intel, probably was the best wayNov 20 22:16
Sosumisince they are just a computer marketing companyNov 20 22:17
SosuminowNov 20 22:17
msb__If it's only 2X, then it may not be worth making all the changes.Nov 20 22:17
msb__...to switch to RISC.Nov 20 22:17
Sosumiband for the buck... well, force intel to lower pricesNov 20 22:17
Sosumion the high end workstation cpusNov 20 22:17
Sosumisince they have no competition thereNov 20 22:18
MinceRis it still a computer if it isn't designed to do computing? :>Nov 20 22:18
msb__MinceR: ???Nov 20 22:18
Sosumicurrent macs aren't designed to do computingNov 20 22:19
MinceRcrApple products after the apple II, i meanNov 20 22:19
Sosumijust look at the buttplug pro, it doesn't even have a psu that can take the load of both gpus and cpu being heavily taxedNov 20 22:19
msb__Aren't high-end AMD cpus almost as good as Intel's?  I always get AMD.Nov 20 22:19
Sosumilet alone dissipating all the heatNov 20 22:19
MinceRi don't knowNov 20 22:20
SosumiI find it hard to source amd boards at my local suplierNov 20 22:20
Sosumilet alone cpusNov 20 22:20
MinceRit's been a while since i bought a desktop-class pc, except for the one passively cooled atom-based nettopNov 20 22:20
Sosumiit's always intelNov 20 22:20
MinceR(pc being x86, so not counting the raspberry pi :> )Nov 20 22:20
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MinceRi chose my laptops on other basis than cpu brandNov 20 22:21
Sosumi:)Nov 20 22:21
Sosumiwell I choose mine in a matter of them being free or notNov 20 22:21
MinceRi wish i could find suchNov 20 22:22
msb__I always go with ASUS mobos and AMD CPUs -- not the highest ones but about at the 75% range, so much cheaper, and perceptually pretty much the same.Nov 20 22:22
Sosumiit's easy, just look for an old P3, P4 or early core 1 laptopsNov 20 22:24
Sosumiat some computer graveyeardNov 20 22:24
Sosumiif all you need is pdf/djvu reader and the ability to do some light document editingNov 20 22:25
Sosumithose are enough at least for meNov 20 22:25
MinceRi don't buy used, especially not mobile devicesNov 20 22:25
SosumiI don't eitherNov 20 22:25
Sosumithat's why I get them at those places, freeNov 20 22:25
MinceR:)Nov 20 22:25
MinceRi thought you meant free as in freedomNov 20 22:26
msb__Sosumi: How do these graveyards run if they don't take in any money?Nov 20 22:26
MinceRi'm guessing it's practically garbage disposalNov 20 22:27
SosumiyeahNov 20 22:27
Sosumiit's like thatNov 20 22:27
MinceRit's cheaper to have someone take it away and use it instead of shipping it to the landfillNov 20 22:27
MinceR(and taking out the dangerous materials, if any)Nov 20 22:27
Sosumiexactly thatNov 20 22:27
msb__Great!  If they can run Linux, give 'em to schoolkids.Nov 20 22:28
Sosumiwell ofc they can run linuxNov 20 22:28
Sosumibut that'd be a lot of hassle to doNov 20 22:29
Sosumiand the folks at those places don't really careNov 20 22:29
Sosumiabout seeing which ones are working or notNov 20 22:30
Sosumisome might take away parts, if they happen to be macsNov 20 22:30
Sosumiand sell them at some inflated priceNov 20 22:30
msb__So another level of folks have to get a large number of the same computers and load one distro of Linux onto all of them.Nov 20 22:30
msb__Little mammals eating the dinosaurs' eggs!Nov 20 22:31
Sosumi500€ for a gt 7300 in second handNov 20 22:31
Sosumilast time I lookedNov 20 22:31
Sosumistill 200€ cheaper than newNov 20 22:32
Sosumiwhich makes it almost as expensive as a gtx 780 tiNov 20 22:32
Sosumiand the gt 7800 was selling for 900€ second handNov 20 22:33
msb__Free sounds better than 500 euro.  (Where's the euro key?)Nov 20 22:33
Sosumiand a 2nd hand cpu+cooler assembly for the quad g5 was a 1000€ second handNov 20 22:34
Sosuminew it's 1999€Nov 20 22:34
Sosumieven after 8 years laterNov 20 22:34
Sosumiand those were all spares for the powermac g5 quad of late 2005Nov 20 22:35
Sosumithat I happen to see the pricesNov 20 22:35
msb__These are for immersion video games?Nov 20 22:35
Sosumi*happenedNov 20 22:35
Sosumidepends on what you mean by immersion and games (probabilities like in game theory)Nov 20 22:36
msb__My old dual-core AMD plays 1920x1080 x264 movies fine.Nov 20 22:36
Sosumibecause the cooler on the quad g5 and dual 2.7 tended to leakNov 20 22:36
Sosumiand to make the matters worse, the psu sitted right beneathNov 20 22:36
msb__Liquid helium?Nov 20 22:37
Sosumiso you could expect a big spark sometime, somewhere in the futureNov 20 22:37
Sosuminever happened to me on my quad g5Nov 20 22:37
Sosumibecause I was intelligent enough to replace the pumpNov 20 22:38
Sosumiand actually, modded it with new ringsNov 20 22:38
msb__Freon?Nov 20 22:38
Sosumiand also replaced the tube fixersNov 20 22:39
Sosumisince those were gaining rustNov 20 22:39
Sosumiapple quality :PNov 20 22:39
Sosumino, liquid coolingNov 20 22:39
msb__Right, but what liquid?Nov 20 22:39
SosumiI don't knowNov 20 22:39
Sosumiall I know is that it was liquid, light green and corrosiveNov 20 22:40
msb__Fluorocarbon refrigerants should be nonconductive.Nov 20 22:40
Sosumino but those were condutiveNov 20 22:40
msb__Yikes!Nov 20 22:40
msb__Maybe to make big profit from repairs.Nov 20 22:41
Sosumiand crapple had the cooler manufactured by panasonic and delphiNov 20 22:41
Sosumithe laster delphi were the most durableNov 20 22:41
SosumiyesNov 20 22:42
msb__Never bought an Apple, never will.  All hype at double the price.Nov 20 22:42
Sosumibecause when that happened you had to replace the PSU, the bottom panel since it would get corroded by the liquidNov 20 22:42
Sosumiand the entire fan, radiator assembly with the 2 cpusNov 20 22:42
Sosumiand that made it uber expensiveNov 20 22:43
msb__Damn, what a racket!Nov 20 22:43
Sosumibut sometimes the board would get some spillsNov 20 22:43
Sosumiand that meant a new board tooNov 20 22:43
Sosumihttp://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/G5_CoolantLeak_Repair/Crud-on-Heatsinks.jpgNov 20 22:44
msb__With (AMD) x86, everything is modular.  Choose the best mobo, CPU, RAM, disk(s) from various mfrs.  They all work together.Nov 20 22:45
Sosumiand even then, the liquid would currode the heatsinkNov 20 22:45
Sosumiand start cristalizing outsideNov 20 22:45
Sosumiapple quality should be considered like methNov 20 22:45
msb__Just get a new heatsink with a big fan -- about $25.  Bigger spacing between the fins so easier to blow out the dist.Nov 20 22:46
Sosuminot even onceNov 20 22:46
msb__dustNov 20 22:46
SosumiI know that, but you're also in an issue with watercooled pcsNov 20 22:46
Sosumiso after the g5 scares back in the day, always checking for leaks and what nots after dessiding to actually mod the thingNov 20 22:47
Sosumiwell it's still works but not thanks to crappleNov 20 22:47
msb__My mobo has some kind of heat pipe but it's completely sealed and no pump.Nov 20 22:48
Sosumiit's just a heatpipe for conducting heatNov 20 22:48
Sosumimy board also has thatNov 20 22:48
Sosumibut with a fan on the endNov 20 22:48
Sosumiin order to cool both voltage regulators and the southbridgeNov 20 22:49
msb__Right, out where there's more room for it.Nov 20 22:49
Sosumiroom? as in spacing on the mobo?Nov 20 22:49
msb__Yep.Nov 20 22:49
Sosumimy board, asus rampage IV E is quite denseNov 20 22:50
Sosumiplus they try to shove as much as they can in that pieceNov 20 22:51
msb__Electronics work best if close together.Nov 20 22:51
Sosumiit depends, analog stuff is affected by emf if not proper shieldedNov 20 22:52
msb__My asus m2n-e is probably 6 or 7 years old.  Crashes about once a month now.Nov 20 22:52
Sosumibut high density means complexity and that can end with problemsNov 20 22:53
Sosumibut we're not comparing that to watercooled cpus on a crapple powermac from 2005Nov 20 22:53
msb__Physical complexity for cooling, but shouldn't be any more complex electrically, maybe less.Nov 20 22:53
Sosumibut I've never had any crashesNov 20 22:54
Sosumiand this build is going to make a year next monthNov 20 22:54
msb__Don't know if it's the CPU, mobo, or RAM.Nov 20 22:55
Sosumido some stress testingNov 20 22:55
Sosumito check the ramNov 20 22:55
Sosumiand then the cpuNov 20 22:55
Sosumiif it crashes, well you know the issueNov 20 22:55
msb__I figure by now I can get a new computer for the same price and about 8X the speed, so I'm not sorry.Nov 20 22:55
msb__Yeah.Nov 20 22:55
Sosumior you can buy the buttplug pro :PNov 20 22:57
Sosumiand watch it cringe when you max both gpus and cpuNov 20 22:57
Sosumior just laugh when maxed 2009 (got 2) and 2010 models completly mop the floor with itNov 20 22:59
msb__Although if it only drops a bit once a month running 24/7, I don't know if stress testing will even find it.Nov 20 23:03
Sosumibut is it hardware crash?Nov 20 23:04
Sosumilike when doing something the computer just shutsNov 20 23:04
Sosumior it freezesNov 20 23:04
msb__The screen strobes rapidly and KDE3 crashes out to the KDM login screen.  So I cycle the power.Nov 20 23:05
msb__It's usually when I'm running Firefox, which I abuse severely, but I don't know if Firefox can crash Linux.  Maybe it can.  Actually, I think some of the crashes have frozen or rebooted the computer completely.Nov 20 23:07
msb__Once a month is still so infrequent that it doesn't bother me too much.Nov 20 23:08
SosumiI use firefox with kd4Nov 20 23:09
Sosumibut never found any issueNov 20 23:09
msb__Just takes half an hour or so to set up all 20 virtual desktops with the konsoles/mcs pointed at the right directories with the right sort order.  I should really hack on konsole and mc to store their states so I can automate that.Nov 20 23:10
Sosumican't you just write a script with all that?Nov 20 23:10
msb__Sometimes I work up to five or six FF windows with 30 tabs in each.  Nov 20 23:10
Sosumithat's a lotNov 20 23:11
msb__If I make them save all that state and be able to restore it, then I could.Nov 20 23:12
Sosumimax I have all the time is 3 with a crapload of tabsNov 20 23:12
Sosumibut not to the point of 30 tabs eachNov 20 23:12
Sosumithe most 20Nov 20 23:12
msb__FF has definitely gotten more stable over the years.Nov 20 23:12
Sosumifirefox as an option to open the windows from the last sessionNov 20 23:12
msb__Try 50 tabs!Nov 20 23:12
msb__Oh yes, I always use that!Nov 20 23:13
Sosumithen you should be coveredNov 20 23:14
msb__I need to figure out how to open a konsole in a particular virtual desktop.  I guess the desktop-pager code should reveal that.Nov 20 23:14
msb__Yes, firefox gradually uses more cpu and ram and crashes about once every 4 to 5 days.  But I just restart it and all the windows and tabs come back.Nov 20 23:15
msb__I save the state file and bookmarks file every time for safety.Nov 20 23:16
msb__FF crashing has nothing to do with the once-a-month Linux crash.Nov 20 23:16
SosumiI see, but don't worry, firefox keeps a backup file on your home folder with the bookmarksNov 20 23:17
Sosumihidden awayNov 20 23:18
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msb__I think I've seen that, but if their's doesn't work, mine will.Nov 20 23:19
Sosumithat's ok, redundancy :)Nov 20 23:28
MinceRgnNov 20 23:33
SosumiOECD says crisis had positive health effectsNov 20 23:39
Sosumion obesity?Nov 20 23:40
Sosumierradicating it? perhapsNov 20 23:40
MinceRmaybe via starvationNov 20 23:41
SosumiOECD to nurembergNov 20 23:41
MinceRcheap food tends to be unhealthful, afaikNov 20 23:41
Sosumihttp://www.tsf.pt/PaginaInicial/Portugal/Interior.aspx?content_id=3544194&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitterNov 20 23:41
TechrightsBot-trwww.tsf.pt | OCDE diz que crise também teve efeitos positivos sobre a saúde - TSF  [ http://ur1.ca/g2j6x ]Nov 20 23:41
Sosumiindeed, but don't tell that to herr goebbelsNov 20 23:42
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307452Nov 20 23:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/15/richard-stallman-letter/ http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/spouse-of-a-stratfor-client/Nov 20 23:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> venturebeat.com | Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence | VentureBeat  [ http://ur1.ca/g28on ]Nov 20 23:46
schestowitz"True credit may only be given by our big publishing masters. Unofficial narratives are terrorism."Nov 20 23:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | ‘Innocent Until Proven Guilty’ Becomes a Thing of the Past | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g28oo ]Nov 20 23:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3313662Nov 20 23:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Will a shot of Android be enough to save BlackBerry? http://www.zdnet.com/will-a-shot-of-android-be-enough-to-save-blackberry-7000023331/ #android #linux or #meego could save #nokiaNov 20 23:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.zdnet.com | Will a shot of Android be enough to save BlackBerry? | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2h4x ]Nov 20 23:47
schestowitz"My money's on an "ex" Microsoft employee being named their new CEO in about a year, and a couple of years later, after slashing out anything to do with Android, that they get bought out my aforementioned, Microsoft."Nov 20 23:47
schestowitzFor patents...Nov 20 23:47
Sosumistratfor, how much I love not theeNov 20 23:48
Sosumiwhen was it 2010?Nov 20 23:48
Sosumiplus the HB Gary pwnageNov 20 23:48
Sosumistill shameful that someone is going to prison for actually liberating some information out of themNov 20 23:51
Sosumiinstead of having to read the "junk" they put outNov 20 23:51
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUyMDENov 20 23:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] UEFI Makes It Easy To Boot Rust Applications  [ http://ur1.ca/g2jbo ]Nov 20 23:56
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306578Nov 21 00:53
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: "Android is approaching Windows-like domination of the smartphone industry" http://linuxgizmos.com/android-smartphone-market-share-exceeds-80-percent/Nov 21 00:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Android: the dog caught the car. Now what? ·  LinuxGizmos.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g2awp ]Nov 21 00:53
schestowitz"So, in your opinion Roy, who do you think has the best chance? Jolla sounds nice, but not if their interface or other cruicial pieces ends up being proprietary. Really, I'd rather something that can run stock standard Linux apps or at the very least HTML5 as a first class app citizen."Nov 21 00:53
schestowitzKDEsNov 21 00:54
schestowitzKDE Plasma...Nov 21 00:54
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schestowitzgmNov 21 09:49
iophkheyNov 21 09:49
iophkhttp://www.zdnet.com/of-penguins-and-tuxes-the-linux-foundations-holiday-membership-drive-7000023443/Nov 21 09:57
TechrightsBot-trwww.zdnet.com | Of penguins and Tuxes: The Linux Foundation's holiday membership drive | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2m5b ]Nov 21 09:57
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/microsoft-sues-patent-troll-saying-it-broke-contract-to-license-mobile-tech/Nov 21 10:06
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Microsoft sues patent troll, saying it broke contract to license mobile tech | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g2m7h ]Nov 21 10:06
iophkhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/21/us-usa-google-schmidt-idUSBRE9AK03D20131121Nov 21 10:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.reuters.com | Google's Schmidt predicts end of censorship within a decade | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/g2m87 ]Nov 21 10:10
iophkhttp://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/20/kim-dotcom-obama-tppNov 21 10:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.co.uk | Kim Dotcom: the TPP 'proves' that Wall St and Hollywood own Obama (Wired UK)  [ http://ur1.ca/g2maa ]Nov 21 10:21
schestowitzMinceR: http://ur1.ca/g2mazNov 21 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Steve Jobs: #Apple founder a sexist bully, a skinflint and a liar says Chrisann Brennan, former partner http://t.co/zsVd4ezLXx #cultNov 21 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.telegraph.co.uk | Steve Jobs: Apple founder a sexist bully, a skinflint and a liar says Chrisann Brennan, former partner - TelegraphNov 21 10:24
schestowitziophk: http://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3318254Nov 21 10:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | Has Bill Gates al...  [ http://ur1.ca/g2mcw ]Nov 21 10:33
schestowitzmaybe credibility loss will help them stopNov 21 10:34
iophkIt's possible.  Nov 21 10:34
iophkI notice about Jobs that the articles keep coming, though it has been a few years since his death.  There must be many tens of thousands of them by now.Nov 21 10:34
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/amazon-to-lawmakers-keep-the-internet-open-limit-copyright-excesses-131120/Nov 21 10:37
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Amazon to Lawmakers: Keep the Internet Open & Limit Copyright Excesses | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g2mdl ]Nov 21 10:37
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/t/data-management/devil-in-the-details-of-oracle-postgresql-migration-231163Nov 21 10:38
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Devil is in the details of Oracle-to-PostgreSQL migration | Data management - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g2mdp ]Nov 21 10:38
schestowitziophk: thives want to be seen as those who are having their ideas 'stolen'Nov 21 10:43
schestowitz Ask Steve JobsNov 21 10:43
schestowitzgates' recent buddyNov 21 10:43
schestowitzas of lateNov 21 10:44
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iophkhttp://www.ibtimes.com/jfk-assassination-just-who-was-lee-harvey-oswald-1474038Nov 21 11:38
TechrightsBot-trwww.ibtimes.com | JFK Assassination: Just Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?  [ http://ur1.ca/g2mo2 ]Nov 21 11:38
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iophkold - http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/09/16/ibm-again-pledges-1-billion-to-a-linux-effort/Nov 21 11:56
TechrightsBot-trblogs.wsj.com | IBM Again Pledges $1 Billion to a Linux Effort - Digits - WSJ  [ http://ur1.ca/g2msk ]Nov 21 11:56
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iophkhttp://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-wikimedia-cease-desist-wikipr-20131120,0,4207911.storyNov 21 13:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.latimes.com | Wikimedia Foundation sends cease and desist letter to Wiki-PR - latimes.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nec ]Nov 21 13:58
iophk a followup on the sale of the headquarters : Nov 21 14:01
iophkhttp://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/nokia-leaving-the-building/Nov 21 14:01
TechrightsBot-trtechcrunch.com | Nokia’s Finland HQ To Become A Microsoft Site Next Year, After Devices & Services Sale  |  TechCrunch  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nf4 ]Nov 21 14:01
iophkkicked out of a building they once ownedNov 21 14:02
iophkperhaps even builtNov 21 14:03
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iophkhttp://www.renesys.com/2010/11/chinas-18-minute-mystery/Nov 21 14:22
iophkhttp://www.renesys.com/2013/11/mitm-internet-hijacking/Nov 21 14:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.renesys.com | China's 18-Minute Mystery - Renesys  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nj7 ]Nov 21 14:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.renesys.com | The New Threat: Targeted Internet Traffic Misdirection - Renesys  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nj8 ]Nov 21 14:22
iophk"since someone needs to pay for Microsoft's marketing campaigns, so why not you? "Nov 21 14:29
iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/21/microsoft_scroogled_store/Nov 21 14:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft: PAY US to wear and carry our anti-Google advertising merch • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nk9 ]Nov 21 14:29
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3318243Nov 21 14:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Kim Dotcom: the TPP 'proves' that Wall St and Hollywood own Obama http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/20/kim-dotcom-obama-tpp #obama and #biden bribed like CongressNov 21 14:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wired.co.uk | Kim Dotcom: the TPP 'proves' that Wall St and Hollywood own Obama (Wired UK)  [ http://ur1.ca/g2maa ]Nov 21 14:43
schestowitz"as if we needed proof"Nov 21 14:43
iophk"The US obviously has all the evidence they need to prosecute bankers. They just need to search their own spy database and then there you go -- 1,000 bankers in jail, a trillion dollars in fines. But it doesn't happen. "Nov 21 14:53
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schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20071023002351958Nov 21 15:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.groklaw.net | Groklaw - How to Get Your Platform Accepted as a Standard - Microsoft Style  [ http://ur1.ca/3ia92 ]Nov 21 15:34
schestowitz"Nov 21 15:34
schestowitzIt's important to keep in mind that tens of thousands of people are directly harmed by Microsoft's malice. 32,000 are people moving from one building to the other. That's a minor inconvenience but it gives us a scale outside of the millions of devices and billions of dollars of the business and software ruined. As is usual, "Victory" for Microsoft is the destruction of everything that's not Microsoft,Nov 21 15:34
schestowitzVictory. The developers, marketers, and managers of the competing technology give up the sinking ship, and interview for positions at Microsoft.Nov 21 15:34
schestowitz"Nov 21 15:34
schestowitziophk: URL?Nov 21 15:34
schestowitzFor the quiteNov 21 15:34
schestowitzquoteNov 21 15:34
iophkthe kimdotcom interviewNov 21 15:34
iophkaboveNov 21 15:34
schestowitztaNov 21 15:36
schestowitztweeterdNov 21 15:36
schestowitz*tedNov 21 15:36
iophkA trillion in fines would be a boost, putting a dent in the debt.Nov 21 15:37
iophkSo far the banskters have been subsidised.Nov 21 15:37
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3318264Nov 21 15:39
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google +++ http://img5.joyreactor.com/pics/post/csectioncomics-comics-youtube-feels-958395.jpegNov 21 15:39
schestowitz"Things that put Facebook in a positive light are probably Microsoft PR. What Google has done is wrong and it was probably a Microsoft executive that has the company acting this way. That does not mean there's a lack of force over at Facebook. In fact, Facebook used schools to grow which was a much greater extortion than a little bandwidth for a few videos.'Nov 21 15:39
schestowitziophk: i thought he low-bowled itNov 21 15:39
iophkCould be.Nov 21 15:39
schestowitzit can be several trillion, and as much as tendNov 21 15:39
schestowitzThey facilitate massive tax evasionNov 21 15:39
iophkUnderstatement for effect.Nov 21 15:39
schestowitzabout 32 trillion, based on a recent report from CanadaNov 21 15:40
schestowitzthew war does not lack moneyNov 21 15:40
schestowitzmoney can't be lackedNov 21 15:40
schestowitzit's disstribution of resourcesNov 21 15:40
iophkyesNov 21 15:40
iophkprioritizationNov 21 15:40
schestowitzclassic example is, super obese people in one country and dead babies (from hunger) in anotherNov 21 15:40
iophkdrone strikes on "militants" have a higher priorityNov 21 15:40
iophkhigh-fructose corn syrupNov 21 15:41
schestowitzto kee their heads downNov 21 15:41
schestowitzcontrol by fearNov 21 15:41
schestowitzor terrorismNov 21 15:41
schestowitzHere in Manchester I am more likely to hear anti-American hostility from a Brit than an Atab BritNov 21 15:41
schestowitzbecause Arab developed a sixths senseNov 21 15:42
schestowitzif they're seen as anti-American, then that automacially gets synonymous with "terror"Nov 21 15:42
schestowitzSo they're carefulNov 21 15:42
schestowitzOne guy i knew here and spoke a lot to came from AghanistanNov 21 15:42
schestowitzhis dead headed a socialist party in that nationNov 21 15:43
schestowitzand the UK paid him lots of money and gave him and his familty British passwordNov 21 15:43
schestowitz(portNov 21 15:43
schestowitzwhich killed his party, I guessNov 21 15:43
schestowitzUnderhanded tacticsNov 21 15:43
schestowitzYesterday I read in Wikipedia about LoasNov 21 15:43
schestowitzVery interestingNov 21 15:43
iophkLaos?Nov 21 15:43
schestowitzI guess it's clearer now why you'd never hard about that country and why the US bombed those nations by the thousands of tonsNov 21 15:44
schestowitzLaos is one nation I nevr hard about in the news, never met a person from there eitherNov 21 15:44
schestowitzLaos is big and has more citizens than Scandinavian countriesNov 21 15:44
iophkIt's a bunch of small countries / kingdomsNov 21 15:44
schestowitzPlus natural resourcesNov 21 15:44
schestowitzNow a Marxist nation led by military folksNov 21 15:45
schestowitzand not trhew US' military folks (thugs)Nov 21 15:45
schestowitzLike the same part of the hemisphere on the other side, Latin AmericanNov 21 15:45
schestowitzMillions of people in Vietnam killed by US intervention there, and for what?Nov 21 15:46
schestowitzJust for the idea that crap like TPP and US reaign by extension can take place in the whole regionNov 21 15:46
iophkWasn't Vietnam actually over a misunderstanding / misinterpretation?Nov 21 15:46
schestowitzMalaysia is strrting to sell out to the USNov 21 15:46
schestowitzTrying to be business-friendly to themNov 21 15:46
schestowitzIndonesia tooNov 21 15:46
iophkIndonesia is trouble.Nov 21 15:47
schestowitzBut Malaysia is close to leaving TPP talks..Nov 21 15:47
schestowitzVietnam was attacked based on flase pretextNov 21 15:47
schestowitzThe US media helped spread a lieNov 21 15:47
schestowitzAnd after lots of spraying of Monsanto chemicals they keep dyin gNov 21 15:47
iophkmisinterpretation / deliberate mininterpretation / lieNov 21 15:47
schestowitzMaybe 3 million dead now, but who counts? It's hard to count in long-term effectsNov 21 15:47
iophkcontaminated monsanto chemicalsNov 21 15:48
schestowitzmisinterpretation is the wrong termNov 21 15:48
schestowitzit implies the US misinterpreted somethingNov 21 15:48
iophktwo poisons for the price of oneNov 21 15:48
schestowitzLike pretending to confuse itselfNov 21 15:48
schestowitzand then saying, "oops, sorry, must have been a mistake'Nov 21 15:48
iophkdioxins for the people and long-term, agent-orange for the short-term and vegetationNov 21 15:49
schestowitzI think the slaugher in Vietnam is the US' biggestNov 21 15:49
schestowitzAnd now there's lots of news which helps support the theory abotu JFK getting taken out by CIA or its ilkNov 21 15:49
schestowitzHe planned to shut down or cut down the CIANov 21 15:49
schestowitzPerhaps they took him downNov 21 15:49
iophkpossible, but all the people are long goneNov 21 15:50
schestowitz!google fiery car crash article about cia chiefNov 21 15:50
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Journalist Michael Hastings Was Investigating CIA Director at Time ... | http://www.globalresearch.ca/journalist-michael-hastings-was-investigating-cia-director-at-time-of-deadly-crash/5346028Nov 21 15:50
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Journalist Michael Hastings Was Investigating CIA Director John ... | http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/13/journalist-michael-hastings-was-investigating-cia-director-john-brennan-before-he-was-killed-in-fiery-car-crash/Nov 21 15:50
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Journalist Michael Hastings was investigating CIA director at time of ... | http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/08/16/hast-a16.htmlNov 21 15:50
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Renowned investigative journalist Michael Hastings was working on ... | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2394278/Renowned-investigative-journalist-Michael-Hastings-working-story-CIA-Chief-John-Brennan-time-mysterious-death.htmlNov 21 15:50
iophksome records were never kept, others are still secretNov 21 15:50
schestowitzif soome are still secrets, then it won't help denialNov 21 15:50
schestowitzif anything, it serves to show what they would rather keep in "doubt" statusNov 21 15:51
schestowitz!google david kelly mi5 sealed 70 yearsNov 21 15:51
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Doctors claim cover-up over death of weapons expert Dr David Kelly ... | http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/doctors-claim-coverup-over-death-of-weapons-expert-dr-david-kelly-29426678.htmlNov 21 15:51
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Why I believe sinking of Belgrano made MI5 murder my crusading ... | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2371611/Why-I-believe-sinking-Belgrano-MI5-murder-crusading-aunt-A-death-surrounded-dark-coincidences-disturbing-belief-intelligence-chief-helped-mastermind-Falklands-campaign.htmlNov 21 15:51
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - MI5 spied on his sex sessions with Monica | Mail Online - Daily Mail | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-61501/MI5-spied-sex-sessions-Monica.htmlNov 21 15:51
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - JUDITH MILLER AND DR DAVID KELLY AND THE MISSING IRAQI ... | http://judithmilleranddrdavidkellyandwmd.blogspot.com/Nov 21 15:51
schestowitzI'd be dead when they fiinally release material about it, and that material is not necessarily factual, they could easily gabricate it by then... if anyone is still alive to even care about the declassificationNov 21 15:52
schestowitzOr demand itNov 21 15:52
schestowitzNo relatives of dead Iraquies leftNov 21 15:52
iophkthat may be their point with the JFK filesNov 21 15:52
iophkit will be harder in the future if M$ is still around.  There can be M$-induced data losses.Nov 21 15:53
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3318230Nov 21 15:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google to sell anti-Microsoft mugs http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/google-sell-anti-microsoft-mugs/16638 #google #microsoft #satireNov 21 15:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.muktware.com | Google to sell anti-Microsoft mugs - Muktware  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nm6 ]Nov 21 15:53
schestowitz"Yes, there's a satire tag in the comment. Muktware is making fun of Microsoft."Nov 21 15:53
schestowitziophk: there's no business model to keeping itNov 21 15:54
iophkMuktware is promoting M$ at the same time.Nov 21 15:54
schestowitzGoogle is at least making attempts to keeo data aroundNov 21 15:54
schestowitzDejaNews/SUENET, Cache..Nov 21 15:54
iophkYes, Google's model seems based on keeping it.Nov 21 15:54
iophk!google opensuse microsoftNov 21 15:54
schestowitzMicrosogft keeps 'innovating' office formats that deliberately break what predecessing versions produceNov 21 15:54
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - The Microsoft SUSE Alliance Website | https://www.moreinterop.com/Nov 21 15:54
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - openSUSE:Novell involvement - openSUSE | http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Novell_involvementNov 21 15:54
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Microsoft and SUSE extend Microsoft's controversial Novell Linux ... | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-and-suse-extend-microsofts-controversial-novell-linux-pact/10164Nov 21 15:54
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - SUSE & Microsoft | SUSE Alliance | https://www.suse.com/partners/alliance-partners/microsoft/Nov 21 15:54
iophkTR is a little further down that list.Nov 21 15:54
schestowitz4 out of 3 are MS/Novell sitesNov 21 15:55
schestowitzEither or bothNov 21 15:55
iophkYep.  M$ is good at spam.Nov 21 15:55
schestowitzmoreinterop is their siteNov 21 15:55
schestowitzset up by MS IIRCNov 21 15:55
schestowitzAnd Novell says "oook...."Nov 21 15:55
iophkThey may have inside help in Google though.Nov 21 15:55
schestowitzIt's Microsoft that makes money from those deals it tried to lure PHBs intoNov 21 15:55
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3318203Nov 21 15:56
schestowitz"It's funny, he expects things from Microsoft to work."Nov 21 15:56
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Word processors are no longer central to the computing experience" http://readwrite.com/2013/06/06/the-state-of-the-word-processor-html-compatibilityNov 21 15:56
TechrightsBot-tr-> readwrite.com | The State Of The Word Processor: HTML Compatibility – ReadWrite  [ http://ur1.ca/g2o2j ]Nov 21 15:56
schestowitz"It's funny, he expects things from Microsoft to work."http://www.tophosts.com/godaddy-revamps-linux-web-hosting-cpanel-whmNov 21 15:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.tophosts.com | GoDaddy Revamps Linux Web Hosting with cPanel & WHM - TopHosts  [ http://ur1.ca/g2o35 ]Nov 21 15:59
schestowitzf*  godaddyNov 21 15:59
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iophkhttp://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/524163/20131121/mcdonalds-advice-employees-mcresources-website-sell-possessions.htmNov 21 16:14
TechrightsBot-trwww.ibtimes.co.uk | McDonald's Tells Workers: Eat Less and Sell Your Christmas Presents - IBTimes UK  [ http://ur1.ca/g2o6d ]Nov 21 16:14
schestowitz"Unfortunately, using music doesn't really seem to be an option. I just don't think Richard Stallman singing his Free Software Song is going to get my three-year-old daughter interested in Linux."Nov 21 16:41
schestowitzBryan KEEPS attacking RMSNov 21 16:41
schestowitzand of course IDG lets him have aplatformNov 21 16:41
schestowitzTheir only 'FOSS' platformNov 21 16:41
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/node/84309Nov 21 16:41
schestowitzIDG isa  shamNov 21 16:41
TechrightsBot-trwww.networkworld.com | How to introduce Linux to your little kid  [ http://ur1.ca/g2oc5 ]Nov 21 16:41
schestowitzso many FOSS-hostile articleNov 21 16:41
schestowitzeven in their so-called 'FOSS' sectiondNov 21 16:41
iophkanti-FOSS sectionNov 21 16:46
iophkit's probably intentional.  Lure in people who don't know better about the magazine but want to learn about FOSS and then turn them off with a stream of negative articles.  Nov 21 17:06
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3319399Nov 21 17:34
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Ouya goes white with new limited edition, more expensive microconsole http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/18/5117704/ouya-limited-edition-white-console powered by #linux of courseNov 21 17:34
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theverge.com | Ouya goes white with new limited edition, more expensive microconsole | The Verge  [ http://ur1.ca/g2ooe ]Nov 21 17:34
schestowitz"Only problem is that they have a mob of angry funders on kickstarter.com and apparently not a good record of taking care of those people. Also if those funders are any indication, their hardware is iffy at best and their policies regarding "forced software upgrades" are worse than Apple's."Nov 21 17:34
schestowitziophk: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403576573624078337 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403577153549529088Nov 21 17:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Not covering propitiatory software news isn't a mater of discrimination; it's a matter of covering what's future-proof, not a dying legacy.Nov 21 17:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Nobody deserves as much credit for shrewdly-disguised anti-FOSS venom as ZDNet/CNET (CBS) and *World (IDG). Tech disinformation channels.Nov 21 17:35
iophkyepNov 21 17:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403577697580118016Nov 21 17:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: If we were to believe IDG and CBS (PR disguised as news, for clients), #microsoft and #nokia would not dominate phones and #vista8 rock!Nov 21 17:37
schestowitz*nowNov 21 17:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403578586638352384Nov 21 17:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How long before Dice (Slashdot/SourceForce) gets acquired and officially b0rgassimilated by a media conglomerate like CNET/Download.com was?Nov 21 17:40
iophkIt is already on the way.Nov 21 17:42
iophkLots of PR for M$ staff and projects.  Stuff that would have never been published in years past.Nov 21 17:42
schestowitzand MS softwareNov 21 17:45
schestowitzbound to GIMP and such..Nov 21 17:45
schestowitzin downloadNov 21 17:45
schestowitzvery CNET-likeNov 21 17:45
schestowitzverging on malwareNov 21 17:45
DaemonFCshared a link.Nov 21 19:04
DaemonFC2 seconds agoNov 21 19:04
DaemonFChttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/21/graphene-condom-safe-sex-bill-gatesNov 21 19:04
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Safe sex needed a new hero – enter Bill Gates and his graphene condom | Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett | Comment is free | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pbt ]Nov 21 19:04
DaemonFCI hope the graphene ones are more pleasant to use than the latex ones. They should be. I've heard that they'll only be one atom thick. They'll also be pretty much 100% tear-proof. Latex isn't awful about that, but approximately 1-2% have broken in my experience, and it leaves you wondering. If they could eliminate that, that would be awesome.Nov 21 19:04
DaemonFCI've actually heard people say that condoms aren't so bad. I hate them.Nov 21 19:05
DaemonFCI get those "super thin" ones. Those are a little better.Nov 21 19:06
Sosumiyada yada, I thought we were eunuchsNov 21 19:08
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iophkIt made the mainstream media: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/lg-claim-smart-tvs-grab-user-data-20959981Nov 21 19:10
TechrightsBot-trabcnews.go.com | LG Looking Into Claim Smart TVs Grab User Data - ABC News  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pd1 ]Nov 21 19:10
Sosuminot just LG and "smart tvs" do grab info of user's habitsNov 21 19:12
Sosumibut so do those "smart" dvd/blu ray playersNov 21 19:12
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Sosumias well video game consoles and tv provider boxesNov 21 19:13
Sosumialso with the new xbox, better not have sex on couch, M$/NSA may be watchingNov 21 19:13
Sosumisince kinect's microfone is ketp on all the timeNov 21 19:14
Sosumiactually it's nothing new,Nov 21 19:16
Sosumisince the ps3 transmitted stuff unencrypted, including credit card info and login credentials,Nov 21 19:16
Sosumithat it also sent all the info about your tv and receiver as well geo location, internet speed...Nov 21 19:17
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/lg-smart-tv-snooping-extends-to-home-networks-second-blogger-says/Nov 21 19:39
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | LG smart TV snooping extends to home networks, second blogger says | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pk8 ]Nov 21 19:39
Sosumisurprised? I'm notNov 21 19:39
Sosumisony does the same with their smart blu ray playersNov 21 19:39
Sosumiwathever their definition of "smart" isNov 21 19:40
Sosumiactually it should be replaced by snoopNov 21 19:40
iophkWhether "smart" phone or tv, the result is about the same it seems.Nov 21 19:41
Sosumiyou sir deserve a bottle of my best vodka for getting it :PNov 21 19:46
Sosumiwhen it says "smart" it means snoopNov 21 19:47
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306032Nov 21 19:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-sailfish-os-phone-november-27-release/ #jolla #linux #nokia #meegoNov 21 19:50
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.digitaltrends.com | Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 | Digital Trends  [ http://ur1.ca/g23w8 ]Nov 21 19:50
schestowitz"I think Im going to be disappointed with the licensing, but I ordered it already. Its still a step forward... Right? Please say it is."Nov 21 19:51
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3319315Nov 21 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Valve—It Really Does Love Linux http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/valve%E2%80%94it-really-does-love-linux #valve #steam #gnu #linux #gamesNov 21 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxjournal.com | Valve—It Really Does Love Linux | Linux Journal  [ http://ur1.ca/g2po0 ]Nov 21 19:52
schestowitz"I'm still waiting for a moment when Steam will not close itself after closing any Steam window with WM meanings."Nov 21 19:52
schestowitzon Jolla: "I hope they'll open up the UI and applications. They were ambiguous about future plans. You can always install fully open Nemo Mobile, and this would be the best device for it, since it's based on the same middleware."Nov 21 19:53
DaemonFChared a link via AlterNet.Nov 21 19:53
DaemonFC7 seconds agoNov 21 19:53
DaemonFCIt's like McDonalds is playing "Can you top this?" Soulless Mega-corporation Edition.Nov 21 19:53
DaemonFCNot even Walmart is that bad. Even Walmart stops after they hand you the paper telling you how to apply for Medicaid and Food Stamps.Nov 21 19:53
DaemonFChttp://www.alternet.org/labor/more-heartless-advice-mcdonalds-employees-sell-your-christmas-giftsNov 21 19:53
TechrightsBot-trwww.alternet.org | More Heartless Advice from McDonald's to  Employees: Sell Your Christmas Gifts | Alternet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pob ]Nov 21 19:53
schestowitziophk: and smart bombsNov 21 19:54
schestowitzthe "smart" is marketing termNov 21 19:54
schestowitzto help adoptionNov 21 19:54
schestowitzsmart bombs are very powerfulNov 21 19:54
schestowitznot preciseNov 21 19:54
schestowitzor smartNov 21 19:54
schestowitzyou can't see who's inside a house for exampleNov 21 19:55
schestowitzbut the legend of "smart" lives onNov 21 19:55
schestowitzif the explosion is big enough, bodies are damaged enough to be in-recognisable, hence "militant"Nov 21 19:55
iophkI suspect that the accuracy of the munitions is exaggerated.Nov 21 19:57
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3320034Nov 21 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Goodbye Mageia 2 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Goodbye-Mageia-2-402310.shtmlNov 21 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.softpedia.com | Goodbye Mageia 2  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pph ]Nov 21 19:58
schestowitz"Hello Mageia 3 and its beta 4!"Nov 21 19:58
DaemonFCYou should laminate your Social Security card. Thanks to the government's security theater (Social Security numbers were never designed to be secure) that's going on, you can only request a few replacements during your entire lifetime. In the meantime, the fucking credit bureaus are selling it to the criminals at the same time they're selling you "protection" (no criminal prosecutions over this), and Comcast demands that you give it to Nov 21 19:59
DaemonFCprisoners and people in foreign countries (their call centers) before you can sign up for internet access. Can anyone tell me that they're confident that their identity is secure? The only way to be safe from that is to ruin your own credit rating before the criminals get to it.Nov 21 19:59
DaemonFCa few seconds ago Nov 21 19:59
iophkhttp://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2156271,00.htmlNov 21 20:14
TechrightsBot-trcontent.time.com | The Secret Web: Where Drugs, Porn and Murder Live Online  - TIME  [ http://ur1.ca/g2psv ]Nov 21 20:14
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iophkproblem in AUNov 21 20:39
iophkhttp://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/it-pro/business-it/microsoft-wins-spot-in-school-curriculum-20131120-hv3n3.htmlNov 21 20:39
TechrightsBot-trwww.brisbanetimes.com.au | Microsoft wins spot in school curriculum  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pxb ]Nov 21 20:39
Sosumihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ILbUduwBkgNov 21 20:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Pick a Bale of Cotton - Lonnie Donegan - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pzf ]Nov 21 20:48
Sosumiwelcome to the plantation *cough* macdonaldsNov 21 20:49
iophkdigital anthrax for Brisbane thereNov 21 20:50
Sosumiand poortugal's debt to gdp predicted to be lower than 100% by 2025Nov 21 20:58
Sosumithey say ofc :)Nov 21 20:58
Sosumias for me it's the lost half decadeNov 21 20:58
Sosumi*centuryNov 21 20:59
Sosumi50 years just went of the windowNov 21 20:59
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Sosumiand when that time passes, I'll be 74 :(Nov 21 21:00
Sosumiand some of the folks here'll be deadNov 21 21:01
Sosumi:((((Nov 21 21:01
Sosumilet alone those that die in the middle thx to austerityNov 21 21:01
Sosumihey, OECD just said that the crisis was having positive effects on healthNov 21 21:02
Sosumiyeah, folks get to walk around leanerNov 21 21:02
Sosumibecause they don't have as much to buy foodNov 21 21:02
Sosumito nuremberg with the OECD and austerity goonsNov 21 21:04
Sosumibecause they're justifying the "final solution" on the middle class and poorNov 21 21:05
Sosumiin a sense it's class warfareNov 21 21:05
Sosumiplayed on the socio-darwinian model coupled with malthusian demagogyNov 21 21:05
MinceRgnNov 21 22:39
Sosumihttp://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsicnoticias.sapo.pt%2FLusa%2F2013%2F11%2F21%2Fpolicias-em-protesto-rompem-barreira-e-sobem-escadaria-da-assembleia-da-republica1Nov 21 22:54
TechrightsBot-trtranslate.google.com | Google Translate  [ http://ur1.ca/g2qhs ]Nov 21 22:54
SosumiPolice break up protest in barrier and climb stairs of Portuguese ParliamentNov 21 22:55
Sosumiyeah you're reading it rightNov 21 22:55
Sosumithey broke the barricade and went up the stairsNov 21 22:57
Sosumiwhat'll be next resignated cop vs compliant copNov 21 22:57
DaemonFCshared a link via Daily Kos.Nov 22 00:47
DaemonFC6 seconds agoNov 22 00:47
DaemonFC"We can save the science fiction reading for later." -George CarlinNov 22 00:47
DaemonFChttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/21/1257374/-Costco-labels-Bible-as-fiction-in-this-store-Pastor-goes-viral-for-wrong-reason?detail=facebookNov 22 00:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.dailykos.com | Daily Kos: Costco labels Bible as fiction in this store. Pastor goes viral for wrong reason.  [ http://ur1.ca/g2qwf ]Nov 22 00:47
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osOhBDl_9uINov 22 02:43
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | WALMART'S FOOD DRIVE - Tell Walmart: Decent Pay, Not Hand Outs - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g2rbp ]Nov 22 02:43
DaemonFCIt's nice to see the MSM paying attention to this.Nov 22 02:44
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3319080Nov 22 03:18
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft bribes for #astroturf http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/21/microsoft_scroogled_store/Nov 22 03:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft touts SCROOGLE merch: Hopes YOU'LL PAY to dump on rival • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nk9 ]Nov 22 03:18
schestowitz"Microsuck does not has an iota of shame, really."Nov 22 03:18
DaemonFC[23:13] <DaemonFC> Here's an idea.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFC[23:14] <DaemonFC> Use the money from selling weed to fund universal healthcare.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFC[23:14] <DaemonFC> It would also drive the cost of healthcare down because it would make antidepressants and pain killers largely unnecessary.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFC[23:15] <DaemonFC> I know someone who works in advertising. I asked him why the hell they advertise things like antidepressants, pain pills, and HIV medication.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFC[23:15] <DaemonFC> People who are depressed already consume antidepressants.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFC[23:15] <DaemonFC> People with chronic pain are already consuming pain pills.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFC[23:15] <DaemonFC> People with HIV are already consuming anti-retroviral drugs.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFC[23:16] <DaemonFC> He said that the point of the advertising was not to get customers, it was to influence the news that was being reported.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFC[23:16] <DaemonFC> If you're a major customer for the advertising slots on the news channels and websites, they won't write negative stories about you because they don't want to lose that money.Nov 22 04:23
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IKE2lCoNqYNov 22 05:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Miley Cyrus - Wrecking Ball PARODY - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g2ry9 ]Nov 22 05:35
DaemonFC:)Nov 22 05:35
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQFO__JpTqcNov 22 05:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | PROPOSING TO MY GIRLFRIEND! - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g2rzp ]Nov 22 05:50
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iophkhttp://www.howtogeek.com/172987/revive-your-old-pc-the-3-best-linux-systems-for-old-computers/Nov 22 08:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.howtogeek.com | Revive Your Old PC: The 3 Best Linux Systems For Old Computers  [ http://ur1.ca/g2sfr ]Nov 22 08:03
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-gets-observer-status-at-world-trade-organization-131121/Nov 22 09:19
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Pirate Party Gets Observer Status at World Trade Organization | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g2n86 ]Nov 22 09:19
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MinceRgeekingsNov 22 09:24
iophk" the 2008 Beijing games are believed to have cost around $40 billion"Nov 22 09:33
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/ioc-demands-2014-olympics-piracy-takedowns-blocks-within-minutes-131121/Nov 22 09:33
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | IOC Demands 2014 Olympics Piracy Takedowns & Blocks “Within Minutes” | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g2syu ]Nov 22 09:33
iophkwhat a wasteNov 22 09:34
MinceRindeedNov 22 09:35
iophkwhich is it, DRM or privacy?  http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/22/tim-berners-lee-internet-privacy-surveillance-censorshipNov 22 09:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Tim Berners-Lee: UK and US must do more to protect internet users' privacy | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g2sz4 ]Nov 22 09:35
iophk$40 billion to see who runs in a circle the bestNov 22 09:35
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/jailbreak-phone-go-jail-copyright-law-the-tpp-way-231331Nov 22 09:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Jailbreak a phone, go to jail: Copyright law, the TPP way | Cringely - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g2t17 ]Nov 22 09:42
MinceRi wonder if the IOC gets government funding for its bullshitNov 22 10:39
iophkMaybe.  It helps create a little zone with heavy surveillance and defacto martial law.Nov 22 10:42
iophkBut otherwise it seems a money pit filled by government money.Nov 22 10:54
iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2308652/tim-berners-lee-warns-against-government-surveillanceNov 22 10:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Tim Berners-Lee warns against government surveillance- The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/g2tix ]Nov 22 10:58
MinceRwho will warn tbl against DRM?Nov 22 10:59
iophkDRM and freedom from surveillance don't really go together.Nov 22 11:00
roy_https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/403845575344263168Nov 22 11:30
TechrightsBot-tr@_Goblin: @schestowitz Hi! I can't log in to your site...may be an issue your end.  Changed my password but after login merely shows me as logged out.Nov 22 11:30
roy_https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/403845629241069568Nov 22 11:30
TechrightsBot-tr@_Goblin: @schestowitz I wanted to make comment on the above article.Nov 22 11:30
roy_I can try to reset the passwordNov 22 11:32
roy_https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/403848565497159682Nov 22 11:36
TechrightsBot-tr@_Goblin: @schestowitz I did that and now I've signed up again on the front page pending approval.Nov 22 11:36
roy_Drupal side or WordPress? The Wiki too has separate login (LDAP not used there)Nov 22 11:36
roy_https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/403850994817056768Nov 22 11:57
TechrightsBot-tr@_Goblin: @schestowitz I reset the password Wordpress and created a new account drupal side..Nov 22 11:57
roy_I'll approve th drupal account; getting about 100 reqs per day, all spammersNov 22 11:57
roy_done, approved (first approval ever)Nov 22 12:01
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roy_https://twitter.com/JorgeStolfi/status/403858503124545537Nov 22 12:15
TechrightsBot-tr@JorgeStolfi: Novell, Yahoo e Nokia, três exemplos da Microsoft infiltrando empresas para devorá-las: http://t.co/qjMIzDTNOY [v @schestowitz]Nov 22 12:15
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The Danger of Microsoft Moles Still Largely Underestimated | TechrightsNov 22 12:15
roy_https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/403860562985353216Nov 22 12:40
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz it harms people as well as marketsNov 22 12:40
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roy_https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/403922675484991489Nov 22 16:49
TechrightsBot-tr@_Goblin: @schestowitz cheers mate!  At least I can have some input in your articles (Its about all I have time for!) ...BTW Techbytes show is great!Nov 22 16:49
roy_still waitingf for the Goblin to record..Nov 22 16:50
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roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403828065740259328Nov 22 17:22
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Splitting Companies  http://t.co/mSJ4pk2H92 #rms #fsf #gnu #antitrust #microsoftNov 22 17:22
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Richard Stallman on Splitting Companies | TechrightsNov 22 17:22
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403828547439329281Nov 22 17:22
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: MATE to make it into Debian repositories http://t.co/GKrLHdyLYr #mate #debianNov 22 17:22
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.muktware.com | MATE to make it into Debian repositories - MuktwareNov 22 17:22
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403843830283517952Nov 22 17:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Microsoft Windows is a Trojan Horse for the NSA  http://t.co/GXq0E8W6EC #nsa #microsoft #windows #espionage #russia #iranNov 22 17:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Microsoft Windows is a Trojan Horse for the NSA | TechrightsNov 22 17:25
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403850893676015616Nov 22 17:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Danger of Microsoft Moles Still Largely Underestimated http://t.co/FRPukiDPPn #nokia #vmware #linuxfoundation #foss #blackduckNov 22 17:25
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403859199022886912Nov 22 17:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Microsoft’s Corruption of Schools: Using the State to Train/Indoctrinate Children  http://t.co/oKTONSx3kO #education #microsoft #australiaNov 22 17:26
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403935863572533248Nov 22 17:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Microsoft’s Corruption of Schools: Using the State to Train/Indoctrinate Children | TechrightsNov 22 17:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Microsoft Takes #AstroTurfing to New Levels, Co-opting Grassroots and Bribing People http://t.co/v8qYjksdxZ #microsoftNov 22 17:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Microsoft Takes AstroTurfing to New Levels, Co-opting Grassroots and Bribing People | TechrightsNov 22 17:26
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sebsebsebiophk: MinceR yep it's outNov 22 18:40
iophk!google opensuse microsoftNov 22 18:41
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - The Microsoft SUSE Alliance Website | https://www.moreinterop.com/Nov 22 18:41
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - openSUSE:Novell involvement - openSUSE | http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Novell_involvementNov 22 18:41
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - SDB:TrueType - openSUSE | http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:TrueTypeNov 22 18:41
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - SUSE & Microsoft | SUSE Alliance | https://www.suse.com/partners/alliance-partners/microsoft/Nov 22 18:41
sebsebsebiophk: they don't care about thatNov 22 18:41
iophkThey better.Nov 22 18:42
sebsebsebiophk: they dont' care abot putting SKype on the remasters and Flash and all that to, as far as I knowNov 22 18:42
sebsebsebiophk: there were some isses yesterday to, which resulted in not getting to the meeting, since travel issues, which probably didn't really help  me get this inNov 22 18:42
iophknot being there = game overNov 22 18:45
sebsebsebiophk: hm  Suse alliance linNov 22 18:45
sebsebsebiophk: I thik even if I had been there, they would have out votedNov 22 18:46
sebsebsebiophk: oh and yeah having a Grub theme  got acceptedNov 22 18:47
sebsebsebso I guess they may want to hteme more than just thatNov 22 18:47
sebsebsebthe default background etcNov 22 18:47
sebsebsebiophk: yep all the distros except for mine, and no cut down as wellNov 22 18:50
sebsebsebso much for trying to do an inclusive propsal aye etc?Nov 22 18:50
sebsebsebno GNOME 3 Shell this means as well, but Unity is inNov 22 18:51
sebsebsebiophk: ,but life goes on etcNov 22 18:51
iophkyepNov 22 18:51
iophknow what about that installfest instead?Nov 22 18:51
sebsebsebI don't think any of them have used this distro anywayNov 22 18:52
sebsebsebiophk: I had the hardest sale really,  that distro, plus GNOME, and meaning all fourNov 22 18:52
sebsebsebwhen they only really wanted 2 or 3Nov 22 18:52
sebsebsebiophk: by doing propals for all four optoins I  think if I had  been there or not, I would have been out votedNov 22 18:53
sebsebsebstill my idea was a nice idea, two WIndow like interfaces, and two something elses'sNov 22 18:54
sebsebsebiophk: to late to try and orgnaise an in stall fest, wn't get any volunteers for a seperate event now as wellNov 22 18:54
sebsebsebI expectNov 22 18:54
sebsebsebit's this or nothingNov 22 18:54
schestowitzhttp://blog.campact.de/2013/11/welcome-to-germany-edward-snowden/Nov 22 18:55
TechrightsBot-trblog.campact.de | Welcome to Germany, Edward Snowden! | Campact Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/g2wl0 ]Nov 22 18:55
sebsebsebiophk: they want to pre install loads of stuff and do a theme,  it's more about  trying to get people off Windows, and adveritsing the LUGNov 22 18:55
sebsebsebiophk: than advertising the actsual interfaces or ditro's that are usedNov 22 18:55
sebsebsebiophk: hmm maybe I should have put proposals in earier or tried to as wellNov 22 19:10
iophkyes, much earlierNov 22 19:10
sebsebsebor  if there's a next timeNov 22 19:10
sebsebsebI had issues wit the whole systemNov 22 19:10
sebsebsebhow he wnated things done, but if this is done again, I know the  way to do thingsNov 22 19:10
sebsebsebiophk: the one I thought would winNov 22 19:11
sebsebsebwon Nov 22 19:11
sebsebsebthe proposalNov 22 19:11
sebsebsebaltough they decided no cut down vrsionNov 22 19:11
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hinojosaHello Dr. schestowitz - are you about?Nov 22 19:38
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_GoblinBonjour!Nov 22 19:45
_Goblinand silence is golden...... I wonder...where's everyone gone?Nov 22 19:47
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_GoblinI think I'll try again later... :(Nov 22 19:49
_GoblinOh and hi Bilkie (when you read this)...hope everythings good.....Nov 22 19:50
MinceRhayNov 22 19:51
_Goblin:)Nov 22 20:00
_Goblinhi there!Nov 22 20:00
_Goblinhows things going?Nov 22 20:00
MinceRnot wellNov 22 20:03
MinceRthe public transport system of budapest is failingNov 22 20:04
_Goblinoh dear...Nov 22 20:06
_Goblincan't be any worse than the UKNov 22 20:07
MinceRdo they maintain the vehicles in the UK?Nov 22 20:12
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3322150Nov 22 20:14
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: MATE to make it into Debian repositories http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/mate-make-debian-repositories/16683 #mate #debianNov 22 20:14
schestowitzhinojosa: hiNov 22 20:14
schestowitz"@Сорокин Алексей - true, BUT ... they don't provide me with anything I can't achieve already it's kinda against the idea of using the basic WM, like i3/Openbox, whatever ;) But I DO APPRECIATE the fact that there will be even more choice. Actually, I find Nautilus/Nemo to be quite a good file manager, even though I usually use Thunar [got many scripts written around it. Would be hard to find good alternative]."Nov 22 20:15
MinceRwhen will xfce make it into the default gui install?Nov 22 20:15
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 500 @ http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/mate-make-debian-repositories/16683 )Nov 22 20:15
schestowitz_Goblin: which of the linsux ilk did you say lived around you?Nov 22 20:15
schestowitzI thought it was Sean Tilley until I realised he's actually USianNov 22 20:15
schestowitz"Nov 22 20:16
schestowitz@derrick, not everyone wants to live with Xfce.Nov 22 20:16
schestowitzAlso not everyone uses MATE only because they get used to GNOME 2. I didn't use GNOME 2, came to MATE from KDE.Nov 22 20:16
hinojosaDr. schestowitz - Hello. I am looking to get access to the Tux Machines site - is that possible?Nov 22 20:16
schestowitz"Nov 22 20:16
schestowitzaccess in what sense? User account?Nov 22 20:16
schestowitzSpammers rendered that feature dead a year agoNov 22 20:16
hinojosayes. If there is a way to register on the site, I'm not seeing it.Nov 22 20:17
hinojosaha.Nov 22 20:17
hinojosaspammers.Nov 22 20:17
schestowitzI can set up an account for youNov 22 20:17
hinojosarather, "damn spammers"Nov 22 20:17
schestowitzIM me your username/password of choiceNov 22 20:17
hinojosaexcellent - that would be appreciated.Nov 22 20:17
schestowitzSame issue in techrights BTWNov 22 20:17
schestowitzand wordpress side too, not just drupal and wikiNov 22 20:17
schestowitzWordPress still allows people to sub/registerNov 22 20:17
schestowitzand it works better against spamNov 22 20:18
hinojosanice.Nov 22 20:18
schestowitzwith drupal the spammers have wonNov 22 20:18
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307452Nov 22 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/15/richard-stallman-letter/ http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/spouse-of-a-stratfor-client/Nov 22 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> venturebeat.com | Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence | VentureBeat  [ http://ur1.ca/g28on ]Nov 22 20:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | ‘Innocent Until Proven Guilty’ Becomes a Thing of the Past | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g28oo ]Nov 22 20:18
schestowitz"That's their idea, but if we keep the Internet neutral and progressively more open and free, there're also chances to keep freed the information, and to counter their brainwashing."Nov 22 20:18
_Goblinschestowitz, I can't remember now...Nov 22 20:18
hinojosaAs you may have noticed form my whois data, I'm from SourceForge - I'm the community managerNov 22 20:18
_Goblinschestowitz, this is going back to around 2008Nov 22 20:18
hinojosaI noticed you syndicated the FossForge article and I wanted to see the commentary thereNov 22 20:18
_Goblinschestowitz, I think the person had "lord" or something similar in their handle.....I thinkNov 22 20:19
_GoblinMinceR, I think the UK transport system runs purely on British stiff upper lip....Nov 22 20:20
MinceRthat's already more than the one in budapestNov 22 20:20
MinceRwhich runs on incompetence, rust, fire and smokeNov 22 20:20
MinceRoh, also on disinterest and plain old hostilityNov 22 20:20
MinceRour transport company cares infinitely more about how to bother passengers and treat every one of them as a criminal than providing a service.Nov 22 20:21
MinceRfor our money, we get abused by hordes of barbaric ticket inspectors even as the vehicles catch fire and stop.Nov 22 20:22
MinceRand of course none of them knows what happened and what the company's doing to restore some semblance of serviceNov 22 20:22
MinceR(of course, the solution is "nothing")Nov 22 20:22
schestowitzhinojosa: FossForge?Nov 22 20:23
schestowitzSourceForge?Nov 22 20:23
hinojosalooking for the linkNov 22 20:24
schestowitzDice and others have not done any favours to the /. I once followed very closely, it would be nice if the F word (free) got used moreNov 22 20:24
hinojosasorry - fossforceNov 22 20:25
hinojosahttp://fossforce.com/2013/11/reddit-sourceforge-lynch-mob/Nov 22 20:25
TechrightsBot-trfossforce.com | The Reddit - SourceForge Lynch Mob - FOSS Force  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xag ]Nov 22 20:25
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3320210Nov 22 20:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In Soviet Korea (LG), TV watch YOU! http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/lg-smart-tv-snooping-extends-to-home-networks-second-blogger-says/Nov 22 20:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | LG smart TV snooping extends to home networks, second blogger says | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pk8 ]Nov 22 20:25
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schestowitz"US law and lawlessness puts a cloud over every company located in the US but there's a scale of trust and sensible measures to take. Red Hat is a free software ally but we must be careful to use free software the way it was intended and double check everything. Sucking down nVidia binaries is about as bad for your privacy as using Windows is. I think Jan understands that."Nov 22 20:25
schestowitzhinojosa: I wrote a lot about SF and /.Nov 22 20:26
schestowitzSome articles include:Nov 22 20:26
schestowitz!google slashdot techrightsNov 22 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Longtime Microsoft Booster Becomes Senior Editor at Slashdot ... | http://techrights.org/2013/07/11/slashdot-nicholas-kolakowski/Nov 22 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - More Grooming of Patent Trolls in Slashdot | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/06/24/james-logan-in-slashdot/Nov 22 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Microsoft Nick and Gaming of Slashdot: The Rise of the ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/07/28/nick-kolakowski-fud/Nov 22 20:26
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hinojosaDr. schestowitz I'm happy to share your sentiments with our team - please feel free to email me your comments via d@slashdotmedia.comNov 22 20:26
schestowitz!google sourceforge techrightsNov 22 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - SourceForge - Techrights | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/SourceForgeNov 22 20:26
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schestowitzhinojosa: I can do this publicly hereNov 22 20:27
schestowitzseveral people in this channel share the sentiment; they were big /. fans, now very concerned about its turn to PRNov 22 20:27
schestowitzAnd some senior /. person privately told me the sameNov 22 20:27
schestowitzremember that managing a community is a paradoxNov 22 20:27
hinojosathe value of sending it to me is that I can more easily forward such sentiment to managementNov 22 20:28
schestowitzI met my boss for lunch today and he agreed when I said itNov 22 20:28
schestowitzCanonical has a 'community manager' alsoNov 22 20:28
schestowitzit's a paradoxNov 22 20:28
hinojosaindeedNov 22 20:28
schestowitzhinojosa: :-) you can copy-paste from hereNov 22 20:28
hinojosaone does not simply march into Mordor (and manage that community)Nov 22 20:28
hinojosa;)Nov 22 20:28
schestowitzsome slashdot staff is shown to have looked me up in linkedinNov 22 20:28
hinojosaI have opened all of the articles you posted hereNov 22 20:29
schestowitzWhich means they're aware that some people are sceptical of what's happening under the new management wingNov 22 20:29
hinojosaI'll make a reportNov 22 20:29
schestowitzwhich puts profit over communityNov 22 20:29
schestowitz!google slashdot profit 2013 diceNov 22 20:29
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hinojosasome definitely view it that wayNov 22 20:29
schestowitzalso, tell them that grooming people of the trump type sends out the wrong messageNov 22 20:29
schestowitz /. has given the platform to the world's biggest patent troll, NathanM, who is BillG's friend (who also gets groomed in ./) -- VERY odd for what used to be a pro-FOSS site in the Malda daysNov 22 20:30
hinojosaNoted.Nov 22 20:31
schestowitzit's easy to sell one's assets for moneyNov 22 20:31
schestowitzLike Novell didNov 22 20:31
schestowitzPJ had an analogy for itNov 22 20:31
schestowitzShe could say she'd make money for selling her mother's bloodNov 22 20:31
schestowitzThat was around 2008Nov 22 20:31
schestowitzNovell bragged about making profits for liaising with Microsoft, but where is Novell after the community had it pay the price?Nov 22 20:32
schestowitzThe point is, Dice is devouring the credibility of /,Nov 22 20:32
hinojosaI am an OSS advocate. I am a bit silent here as I can only say so much. However, I am working hard to help the OSS community at SFNov 22 20:32
schestowitzUsing an ever-shrinking audience in an attempt to squeeze some profit by TRYING to change perceptionNov 22 20:32
schestowitz!google microsoft leaks manual evangelismNov 22 20:33
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schestowitz"Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input.  Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them.  Thus, you control mindshare!"Nov 22 20:33
schestowitz-Microsoft, internal documentNov 22 20:33
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdfNov 22 20:33
schestowitzit's easy to monetise like this; you lose the community while basically trying to squeeze the hoose for the golden eggs while they're still there, and that's why /. went downhill 5 years agioNov 22 20:34
schestowitzThe community manager might still be able to raise this concerns to the PHBs at the topNov 22 20:34
schestowitzThey're sacrificing the site for short-term goalsNov 22 20:34
schestowitzdevaluing the product, selling it out too quicklyuNov 22 20:35
hinojosaIndeed. I came here to get an account and I am also listening so that I can report appropriatelyNov 22 20:35
schestowitzre SF, the main issue is, there too one can see greedNov 22 20:35
schestowitzthe malware-like tacticsNov 22 20:35
schestowitzattaching unwanted downloadsNov 22 20:35
schestowitzYou then have BOTH downloaders AND developers on the runNov 22 20:36
schestowitzThey have many other optionsNov 22 20:36
schestowitzNot just SF/FreshmeatNov 22 20:36
hinojosahttp://sourceforge.net/blog/today-we-offer-devshare-beta-a-sustainable-way-to-fund-open-source-software/ & http://sourceforge.net/blog/advertising-bundling-community-and-criticism/Nov 22 20:36
TechrightsBot-trsourceforge.net | Today We Offer DevShare (Beta), A Sustainable Way To Fund Open Source Software  |  SourceForge Community Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xen ]Nov 22 20:36
TechrightsBot-trsourceforge.net | Advertising, Bundling, Community and Criticism  |  SourceForge Community Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xeo ]Nov 22 20:36
schestowitzAnd once you get bad publicity, e.g. from GIMP, you are seriously in trouble because other developers pay attention and take notesNov 22 20:36
hinojosathese provide the official lineNov 22 20:36
schestowitz"official line" is management speakNov 22 20:37
hinojosaI suggest that if you have questions about these, or need more in depth detail that it may be a good idea to interview RobertoNov 22 20:37
schestowitzsounds like the goals in Dice are short-term onesNov 22 20:37
schestowitzto secure managers' wages, they don't grok communityNov 22 20:37
schestowitzThey think in terms of "clients"Nov 22 20:37
schestowitzit doesn't work like thatNov 22 20:37
schestowitzThe suppliers are the developersNov 22 20:38
iophkMaybe it is like CMP and the goal is to wind it down over a few years and then pack it up?Nov 22 20:38
schestowitzand without suppliers they're left without clients (download, visitors, etc.)Nov 22 20:38
schestowitzGIMP is a top projectNov 22 20:38
hinojosaOur team is committed to serve the OSS community.Nov 22 20:38
schestowitzI downloaded the Windows version for my aunt in FL 10 years ago via /,.Nov 22 20:38
schestowitzCMP was horribleNov 22 20:38
schestowitzIt resorted to baitingNov 22 20:39
schestowitzhinojosa: yoursNov 22 20:39
schestowitzBut ewhose team are you with?Nov 22 20:39
schestowitzThe management of the community?Nov 22 20:39
hinojosaAs I noted earlier, I am the Community Manager at SourceForgeNov 22 20:39
schestowitzCommunity management, as in the case of jono, is like a two-faced roleNov 22 20:39
hinojosaIt can be a tough position indeed.Nov 22 20:40
schestowitzbridging altruism and greedNov 22 20:40
jonoschestowitz not sure I would characterize a company as "greed"Nov 22 20:40
schestowitzThe former group is sceptical and wary of the latter, and for good reasonsNov 22 20:40
schestowitzjono: depends which partNov 22 20:40
jonobut altrusism and commercial success is definitely tryueNov 22 20:40
jonotrueNov 22 20:40
schestowitzjono: some are judged professionally only by how m uch  profit they generateNov 22 20:40
jonoas many community folks don't understand that commercial success is important for Open SourceNov 22 20:40
hinojosajono, true.Nov 22 20:41
schestowitz2003-2004: worked for widget incorporation, helped increase profit by 300$Nov 22 20:41
schestowitz%Nov 22 20:41
schestowitzand then they leave it to burnNov 22 20:41
schestowitzLike people did with airliners and banksNov 22 20:41
schestowitzLooks good for them; for those who stay long term, not so much...Nov 22 20:42
schestowitzLook what Ubuntu's Amazon agreement did to the brand value, or perceived trustNov 22 20:42
schestowitzit just ain't worth itNov 22 20:42
schestowitzjono: I was in a FOSS conference that talked about this today, and it was generally agreed that companies now take control of much of FOSSNov 22 20:43
schestowitzdevouring community voiceNov 22 20:43
jonoschestowitz we...Nov 22 20:43
schestowitzand also increasingly take things proprietary-way without the community noticing or saying anythingNov 22 20:43
jonowell...Nov 22 20:43
schestowitzI'm talking about SquizNov 22 20:43
schestowitznot CanonicalNov 22 20:43
jonocompanies employ a significant amount of people who drive Open SourceNov 22 20:44
schestowitzAll sorts of weird "open source" companies that aren't reallyNov 22 20:44
jonothat is trueNov 22 20:44
schestowitzyesNov 22 20:44
schestowitzbutNov 22 20:44
jonobut I am not sure community voice is eradicatedNov 22 20:44
schestowitzthat comes with strings attachedNov 22 20:44
jonoit is in some casesNov 22 20:44
schestowitzlook at LFNov 22 20:44
jonobut that is not standard with companiesNov 22 20:44
schestowitzWho is ZemlinNov 22 20:44
jonoit is a balanceNov 22 20:44
jonoand it should beNov 22 20:44
schestowitzA branding professional, by training and tradeNov 22 20:44
schestowitzwho else? More PR folksNov 22 20:44
schestowitzWho pays? intel, IBM...Nov 22 20:44
schestowitzWhat do they do?Nov 22 20:44
schestowitzTPM, DRM, UEFI...Nov 22 20:44
schestowitzWhich the community does NOT work or needNov 22 20:45
schestowitzIBM lovvies for SOFTWARE PATENTSNov 22 20:45
schestowitz*bbNov 22 20:45
jonoschestowitz the Linux Foundation does not drive restrictive technologiesNov 22 20:45
schestowitzjono: it's a balance, and the community is going out of balanceNov 22 20:45
schestowitzgo to ubuntu ForumsNov 22 20:45
jonoit just reacts to themNov 22 20:45
schestowitzCount new threadsNov 22 20:45
schestowitzin 2008Nov 22 20:45
schestowitzand 5 years laterNov 22 20:45
jonoI know Jim ZemlinNov 22 20:45
jonohe is a good guyNov 22 20:45
schestowitzGo to SF or /. and you might see something similarNov 22 20:46
schestowitzjono: he's awesomeNov 22 20:46
schestowitzbut his role is defined by those paying his salaryNov 22 20:46
jonoschestowitz agreedNov 22 20:46
schestowitzand the LF is trying to raise money this xmas from peoplNov 22 20:46
jonobut the LF are not devoid of ethical standardsNov 22 20:46
schestowitzeyet over 90% of their income (I estimate) comes from  proprietary software giantsNov 22 20:46
jonoI have seen them enforce them first-handNov 22 20:47
schestowitzand it's a real problemNov 22 20:47
schestowitzbecause they're in steering committeesNov 22 20:47
schestowitzit's them who write strategy docsNov 22 20:47
schestowitzOIN is similarNov 22 20:47
schestowitzPeer2patent hardly survives because it doesn't lean towards corporations as much, it's more of a NY-based academic think, AFAIKNov 22 20:48
schestowitzBTW, the same is true for news sitesNov 22 20:48
schestowitzIf they're not already paid by the megacorporations, then they write in a way that would help lure them to fund or simply fall out of the gameNov 22 20:49
schestowitzSlashdot started writing origiinal sroties like thatNov 22 20:49
schestowitzIMHO, a move which perhaps hoped to attract a similar business modelNov 22 20:49
schestowitzwhile de-esphasising the communityNov 22 20:49
schestowitzso they hired writers, not just moderators, not careful to check their professional backround and convenctions which hardly represent the community'sNov 22 20:50
schestowitzhttp://redmonk.com/sogrady/2013/11/21/selling-software/Nov 22 20:55
TechrightsBot-trredmonk.com | The Difficulty of Selling Software – tecosystems  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xib ]Nov 22 20:55
schestowitz"The problem for Microsoft isn't that the PC ceased being the primary computing device. It's that you can't charge for software anymore."Nov 22 20:55
schestowitzThat;s BSNov 22 20:55
schestowitzDesktops are a hardware issueNov 22 20:55
schestowitzthe hw is too expensiveNov 22 20:56
schestowitzand the software requires that battery-eating messNov 22 20:56
schestowitzso it killed itself like the typing machine didNov 22 20:56
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/content/non-linux-foss-chrome-desktop-applications?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+linuxjournalcom+%28Linux+Journal+-+The+Original+Magazine+of+the+Linux+Community%29Nov 22 21:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.linuxjournal.com | Non-Linux FOSS: Chrome Desktop Applications | Linux Journal  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xlu ]Nov 22 21:15
_Goblintalking of hardware.......Bought a chromebook...fantastic piece of kitNov 22 21:16
MinceRdo you use it with chromeos, or something you've installed on it, or both?Nov 22 21:16
schestowitzgde33: Gratz!Nov 22 21:16
_GoblinchromeosNov 22 21:16
MinceRwhich model is it?Nov 22 21:16
_GoblinHP 14"Nov 22 21:16
_Goblinnice big normal screenNov 22 21:17
_Goblingood for taking away.Nov 22 21:17
schestowitzohloh promotion http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/get-more-juice-out-your-enterprise-code-base-code-searchNov 22 21:17
DaemonFCMinceR: I deleted someone from my Facebook and blocked them yesterday.Nov 22 21:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.linuxjournal.com | Get More Juice out of Your Enterprise Code Base with Code Search | Linux Journal  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xmb ]Nov 22 21:17
_Goblinand since I'm really only surfing and gdocs, it fits the bill perfectlyNov 22 21:17
MinceRis it passively cooled or actively cooled?Nov 22 21:17
DaemonFCThe guy was a total jerk and I just didn't see that right away.Nov 22 21:18
_GoblinpassivelyNov 22 21:18
_GoblinI assume....Nov 22 21:18
_Goblinthere's no fan I can hear chugging awayNov 22 21:18
MinceR:)Nov 22 21:18
_Goblinbattery life is good too...Nov 22 21:18
MinceRhow much battery life do you get?Nov 22 21:18
DaemonFCHe made a post about how he was so much more intelligent than everyone else, and that "common idiots" managed to get by while he was struggling (living off his parents and getting his HIV medication from the state).Nov 22 21:18
DaemonFCIt really set me off.Nov 22 21:19
_Goblindepends on the tasks.....general use, I'd say around 5 hours....maybe more I charge before it goes flatNov 22 21:19
MinceRicNov 22 21:19
DaemonFCSo before I deleted and blocked him, I quoted O'Neill from SG-1.Nov 22 21:19
DaemonFC"You know that bitter taste in your throat, that's sort of wrapping itself around your uvula? That's your pride!"Nov 22 21:19
ThistleWebmost chromebooks are ssdsNov 22 21:19
ThistleWeball except one of the acers I thinkNov 22 21:20
_Goblinit was the HP's 14" screen that sold meNov 22 21:20
DaemonFCI'll have $100 worth of Amazon gift cards shortly.Nov 22 21:20
ThistleWebssd is the notm for chromebooksNov 22 21:20
ThistleWebnorm*Nov 22 21:20
_Goblindon't buy a ps4 daemonfc from amazonNov 22 21:20
_Goblinthey can't package em properlyNov 22 21:20
DaemonFCI'll probably use that to buy a Nexus 5.Nov 22 21:20
DaemonFCIt should give me an unlocked one for cheap.Nov 22 21:20
DaemonFCIt beats getting into a contract and paying twice what the phone retails for in installments.Nov 22 21:21
MinceR_Goblin: how much did it cost?Nov 22 21:21
_GoblinI got mine £200Nov 22 21:21
_Goblintrackpad is crap...but then I always prefer mouse.Nov 22 21:21
_Goblinkeyboard is reasonable once you get used to itNov 22 21:21
MinceRand what's the screen resolution? google doesn't tell...Nov 22 21:21
iophk? 200 pounds / dollars / euro?Nov 22 21:22
MinceRi think it's poundsNov 22 21:22
_GoblinstandbyNov 22 21:22
_Goblin1600x900Nov 22 21:22
DaemonFCLike, you'll get a phone that retails for $300, but they'll charge you $50 up front and then another $20 a month for the next 24 months.Nov 22 21:24
DaemonFCSo you end up paying like $530 for the $300 phone.Nov 22 21:24
MinceR_Goblin: how warm does it get?Nov 22 21:24
ThistleWebat some point the resolution is something you can't tell for normal stuff, and it drains the battery quickerNov 22 21:24
DaemonFCT-Mobile has this plan where you get 100 minutes a month, but unlimited texts and data for $30 a month.Nov 22 21:25
*ThistleWeb waits for some smartphone maker to release a 4k phone in a 4" screen sizeNov 22 21:25
MinceR:)Nov 22 21:25
DaemonFCand you can connect your computer over the data connection and use up to 2.5 GB a month through tethering.Nov 22 21:25
ThistleWebcompletely pointless, and one movie takes your entire SD cardNov 22 21:26
DaemonFCSo I think that would probably be a good way to get rid of Comcast.Nov 22 21:26
MinceRwe'll have bigger sd cards :>Nov 22 21:26
DaemonFCThere's no overage charges, your tethered devices just get throttled after the 2.5 GB.Nov 22 21:26
ThistleWebtrue, but you wont spot 4k in a small screenNov 22 21:26
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ThistleWebyou'll be lucky to see it on a 22"Nov 22 21:26
_GoblinMinceR, never paid that much notice....Nov 22 21:26
DaemonFCAndroid phones have recently gotten to the point where I think you could do most of the stuff you could do on your computer with the phone instead.Nov 22 21:27
DaemonFCIt could end up saving me money.Nov 22 21:27
ThistleWebtrueNov 22 21:27
ThistleWebfor consumption certainlyNov 22 21:27
_GoblinHi GordonNov 22 21:27
_Goblin;)Nov 22 21:27
ThistleWebcontent creation is a different case, keyboards are kinda essensial at timesNov 22 21:27
ThistleWebo/Nov 22 21:27
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DaemonFCWell, I had no idea what Swype was.Nov 22 21:28
ThistleWebalmost won naNoWriMo for the 2nd yr in a row btwNov 22 21:28
DaemonFCDidn't even know you could do it until I saw someone using it a couple days ago.Nov 22 21:28
_Goblinexcellent!Nov 22 21:28
ThistleWebday 22, and I'm at 47,298Nov 22 21:28
DaemonFCYou can use Swype and type faster than I can do it using a keyboard.Nov 22 21:28
ThistleWebshould pass the 50,000 over the weekendNov 22 21:28
ThistleWebwith a week to spare :DNov 22 21:28
_Goblindon't though talk to me about writing...had a 15k rerewrite which is still not to the satisfaction of agentNov 22 21:28
_Goblinand I've lost two chapters as wellNov 22 21:29
ThistleWeblike the ent wives?Nov 22 21:31
ThistleWebdon't know where they wentNov 22 21:31
_Goblin:) No unfortunately I do know where they went...they were removed intentionally "Not integral to story, diverts reader into realms of confusion"Nov 22 21:32
_Goblinw*nkersNov 22 21:32
ThistleWebyeah that can happenNov 22 21:33
_Goblinmind you thats the 2nd book.....Nov 22 21:33
_Goblinthe 1st one is done......Nov 22 21:33
ThistleWebenjoying the whole writing thing then?Nov 22 21:33
_GoblinnopeNov 22 21:33
_GoblinI would, if it didn't have strings attached.Nov 22 21:34
_Goblindeadlines for starters.Nov 22 21:34
ThistleWebtampontasticNov 22 21:34
ThistleWeboh, those kinds of stringsNov 22 21:34
_Goblinall strings!Nov 22 21:34
ThistleWeblolNov 22 21:34
_Goblinmind you if Google and the NSA steal my work off my gdrive, I don't care....I don't own it anymoreNov 22 21:34
ThistleWebtake insperation from douglas adams "I love deadlines, I love the sound they make as they whoosh by"Nov 22 21:35
_Goblinunfortunately he had a little bargaining power, being an established authorNov 22 21:35
_GoblinI don't like the pressure a contract puts you under.Nov 22 21:36
_Goblinit changes the work from being a hobby to a jobNov 22 21:36
_Goblinergo - a choreNov 22 21:36
ThistleWebyeahNov 22 21:36
_Goblinin other news....talking about jobs...Nov 22 21:36
_GoblinI am taking early retirement from my profession next year.Nov 22 21:37
ThistleWebreally?Nov 22 21:37
ThistleWebwowNov 22 21:37
_Goblinyep.Nov 22 21:37
_Goblin15 years service. Ive done enough.Nov 22 21:37
ThistleWebwell, good luck to yaNov 22 21:37
_Goblinwe are moving to be nearer to relatives (wifes side)......Nov 22 21:38
ThistleWebbig changes thenNov 22 21:38
_GoblinI'll DM you since we have peeping trolls........Nov 22 21:38
ThistleWeblolNov 22 21:38
schestowitzcan retirement be taken this early?Nov 22 21:41
_Goblinwell....yes.....sort ofNov 22 21:43
_GoblinI've enough pensioned accrued and I've 5 years of other service to carry over...Nov 22 21:43
Sosumihttp://games.slashdot.org/story/13/11/22/2054203/john-carmack-leaves-id-software?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitterNov 22 21:44
TechrightsBot-trgames.slashdot.org | John Carmack Leaves id Software - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xqv ]Nov 22 21:44
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Sosumiid has been a sinking ship after doom 3Nov 22 21:45
Sosumiand I actually liked Doom 3Nov 22 21:45
Sosumibut the lack of new releases after that and no new quake arenaNov 22 21:46
Sosumionly to have Rage come "years" later...Nov 22 21:46
MinceRbut not to GNU/LinuxNov 22 21:48
Sosumibut his departure could mean no more "freeing" of the idtech engineNov 22 21:48
MinceRthey went anti-GNU/Linux before he leftNov 22 21:48
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Sosumiyes, that's why I said no more freeing of the idtech game engineNov 22 21:49
sebsebsebMinceR: Open Suse, Mint, and UbuntuNov 22 21:49
Sosumithey went full retard after selling to bethestaNov 22 21:49
MinceRi mean, it happened regardless of his departureNov 22 21:49
MinceRhm, when did they sell to bethesda?Nov 22 21:49
MinceRsebsebseb: the users have lostNov 22 21:49
Sosumitwo years agoNov 22 21:49
Sosumior soNov 22 21:49
sebsebsebMinceR: openSUSE Mint and UbuntuNov 22 21:49
MinceRsebsebseb: saw it the first timeNov 22 21:50
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah well that's what I have to go with now it seems, if going to continue iwth thisNov 22 21:50
sebsebsebMinceR: at last Ubuntu should get a nicer Grub  2 theme at least, and maybe more than just that :)Nov 22 21:50
sebsebsebI am no fan of the abugine look since it got first introducedNov 22 21:50
Sosumiit was actually expected, during the quakecon carmack was a bit contraditoryNov 22 21:51
Sosumicriticing opengl expandability and then praising it, among othersNov 22 21:52
Sosumiit seemed like the bethesda/zeni max goons were on his neckNov 22 21:52
Sosumisebsebseb, abugine?Nov 22 21:52
MinceRthey weren't so subservient to their publishers beforeNov 22 21:53
sebsebsebSosumi: yep the purple lookNov 22 21:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/StealThisSingul/status/403979357225373696Nov 22 21:53
TechrightsBot-tr@StealThisSingul: Report: Corporations use professional spies-for-hire to monitor and undermine nonprofits http://t.co/fwsI9tdmWZNov 22 21:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.rawstory.com | Report: Corporations use professional spies-for-hire to monitor and undermine nonprofits | The Raw StoryNov 22 21:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/404003503120850944Nov 22 21:53
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @StealThisSingul @leashless such criminality also long practiced by #microsoft @schestowitzNov 22 21:53
Sosumino, that's why all their games eventually found their way to gnu/linuxNov 22 21:53
schestowitzMicrosoft is worse, it has infiltrators (who destroy), not just spies. #elopNov 22 21:54
sebsebsebMinceR: trying to be inclusive of it all got me oted out it seems, bu was worth a try anywayNov 22 21:54
sebsebsebvoted out aboveNov 22 21:54
Sosumiplus Carmack never lambasted linux, he just said it didn't treat them well in terms of the amount of sales they were gettingNov 22 21:54
SosumiMicrosoft behaves like a virusNov 22 21:55
sebsebsebMinceR: YAY for non my distro distros for an event heh heh,  I suppoue it's better  than not having an event like this at all thoughNov 22 21:56
Sosumiit's either assimilation or anihalationNov 22 21:56
schestowitz[21:55] <Sosumi> plus Carmack never lambasted linux, he just said it didn't treat them well in terms of the amount of sales they were gettingNov 22 21:57
_Goblinwhats the difference between incorporation and assimilation?Nov 22 21:57
schestowitztrueNov 22 21:57
schestowitztaken out of contextNov 22 21:57
MinceRsebsebseb: depends on how it proceedsNov 22 21:57
_Goblinjust a little word play...Nov 22 21:57
sebsebseb_Goblin: openSUSE,  Mint, and UbuntuNov 22 21:57
Sosumiin the contest he put it I don't think soNov 22 21:57
sebsebseb_Goblin: long time no see dudeNov 22 21:58
_Goblin:)Nov 22 21:58
_GoblinBonjour..Nov 22 21:58
schestowitzhttp://www.decryptedtech.com/news/happy-birthday-gnuNov 22 21:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.decryptedtech.com | Happy Birthday GNU  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xt7 ]Nov 22 21:58
sebsebseb_Goblin: Do you like openSUSE? :DNov 22 21:59
_Goblinnot used it....Nov 22 21:59
_GoblinIm a Chrome fanboyNov 22 21:59
_GoblinI supposeNov 22 21:59
Sosumilol chromeNov 22 21:59
ThistleWebthat'd be chromeOSNov 22 21:59
sebsebseb_Goblin: I think they think I am a Mageia fan boy,  and that could be why   that distro isn't in for this evet nowNov 22 21:59
sebsebsebor one of them, but ah wellNov 22 21:59
sebsebseb_Goblin: well some might think that I don't knowNov 22 22:00
_Goblinits that since I use google services so heavily Nov 22 22:00
ThistleWebI sooooo wanted to bend my workflow to suit a chromebook, I tried, I really tried, but it doesn't work for meNov 22 22:00
sebsebseb_Goblin: are you using the real Chrome? not chromium?Nov 22 22:01
_GoblinI'm talking about the Googly chrome browser front end on their chromebook Nov 22 22:01
sebsebsebah right okNov 22 22:01
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3324679Nov 22 22:01
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #LinkedIn is rapidly becoming the world's leading unsolicited mass-mail (spam) tool, used vs. people who get hammered based on affiliationNov 22 22:01
schestowitz"Word!"Nov 22 22:01
_Goblin"Word up brother"Nov 22 22:02
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3324990Nov 22 22:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: John Carmack is leaving id Software. Maybe he can start something more GNU.Linux-friendly?Nov 22 22:02
schestowitz"erm, is Carmarck himself linux-friendly? http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/169021-john-carmack-thinks-the-steam-machines-biggest-problem-is-linux "Nov 22 22:02
TechrightsBot-trwww.extremetech.com | John Carmack thinks the Steam Machine’s biggest problem is Linux | ExtremeTech  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xtt ]Nov 22 22:02
schestowitzThe report is junk, see his wording...Nov 22 22:02
sebsebsebschestowitz: your a great fan of openSUSE aren't you? :dNov 22 22:02
schestowitzThe report is junk, see his wording...  http://techrights.org/2013/10/24/carmack-words-warped/Nov 22 22:03
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | John Carmack’s Name is Once Again Misused to Bash GNU/Linux | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xu2 ]Nov 22 22:03
schestowitzsebsebseb: biggest fanNov 22 22:03
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sebsebsebschestowitz: yep so much so that you love wirting about it :d heh hehNov 22 22:03
MinceRyeah, selling winblows licenses with a console would have been less crazy, right?Nov 22 22:04
MinceRthis man has gone off the deep endNov 22 22:04
_GoblinSebsebseb - what was that distro you were working with a while back?Nov 22 22:04
sebsebseb_Goblin: still am to an extent, but  that's been out voted for an event helping orgniase uhNov 22 22:04
_Goblinwhats it called?Nov 22 22:04
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sebsebsebMageiaNov 22 22:05
sebsebseb_Goblin: ah well I suppouse I got the FOSDEM 2014 to celebrate the Mageia 4 final releae anyway and such :dNov 22 22:05
_Goblinare you sure? I thought it was Mint you were working with.Nov 22 22:05
sebsebsebthe plan is to release for FOSDEM 2014Nov 22 22:05
sebsebseb_Goblin: Mint what noNov 22 22:06
_Goblinmy mistakeNov 22 22:06
sebsebsebI have used Mint a bit, and helped out in the IRC channels here and thereNov 22 22:06
_Goblinits been a while...Nov 22 22:06
sebsebseb,but that's as far as it goesNov 22 22:06
sebsebsebit's ThistleWeb who used to apparnatlly help out a lot with Mint in IRC, and  use Mint loads Nov 22 22:06
_Goblinno..hang on...what about Mephis? did you help them out?Nov 22 22:06
sebsebsebnopeNov 22 22:06
_GoblinMandriva?Nov 22 22:06
sebsebseb_Goblin: dude you need to get back into geek land more,  ah right, but your you know, may not like that if you doNov 22 22:07
_Goblinsorry....Nov 22 22:07
sebsebsebthat's the catchNov 22 22:07
MinceRalso, the author of the article is cluelessNov 22 22:07
_Goblinmemory is fudgy...have so much stuff on, forgotten how many people I spoke with over the years.Nov 22 22:07
*sebsebseb is behind on tech newsNov 22 22:07
MinceRhe believes that "Linux" is about "aubergine color schemes and penguin logos"Nov 22 22:08
MinceRthis is a supposed tech writer?Nov 22 22:08
sebsebseb_Goblin: no it's ok, and the dude stuff is me joking with you a bit :DNov 22 22:08
_Goblin:)Nov 22 22:08
sebsebseb_Goblin: yeah I guess Techbytes is pretty much dead nowNov 22 22:08
sebsebsebschestowitz may still resurecte it sometmes from the dead thoughNov 22 22:09
_Goblinno...Nov 22 22:09
_GoblinRoy is doing some great work with RMSNov 22 22:09
_GoblinI've not had the time...I wish I did.....Nov 22 22:09
_GoblinI just don't like saying to Roy I could do a date then having to cancel.Nov 22 22:09
MinceR"the dominant mobile gaming platform will likely continue to be iOS" -- wtfNov 22 22:09
_Goblin?Nov 22 22:09
MinceRthis alleged tech writer also doesn't read news on market share statsNov 22 22:09
sebsebseb_Goblin: seems event at my LUG, there is GNOME 3 dislike hmmNov 22 22:10
sebsebsebah wellNov 22 22:10
sebsebseb_Goblin: do you remember all that :d,  the uhmm GNOME 3 eing made, then Mate and Cinnamon to and Ubuntu going their own way with UnityNov 22 22:10
_GoblinIve dipped out of the politics because of writing taking so much time up...Nov 22 22:11
sebsebseb_Goblin: now it's about things like Wayland andMir as well, or are you to out of things like this, to know what I am talking about :dNov 22 22:11
_Goblinwhich is why gdocs serves me so wellNov 22 22:11
sebsebseboh your writingNov 22 22:11
sebsebsebwhat are you writingNov 22 22:11
sebsebseb?Nov 22 22:11
_Goblinive a 3 book deal Nov 22 22:11
sebsebseb_Goblin: bingo polotics andLinux etcNov 22 22:11
_Goblinits fantasy comedy scifi.Nov 22 22:11
sebsebseb_Goblin: peoples opinions etcNov 22 22:11
sebsebseb_Goblin: I been thinking quite recently that things like this are very opinated, becuase of stuff that's been going onNov 22 22:12
schestowitz_Goblin: am free all weekendNov 22 22:13
schestowitznot working till Mon eve, so can record over thr weekendNov 22 22:13
sebsebsebschestowitz: _Goblin yep you two better hook up for a date then :dNov 22 22:13
_GoblinI would hope I can hook up.... I'm still doing a rewrite of 15,000 words...but I'll hope to get some downtime.Nov 22 22:13
_Goblinschestowitz, I'll speak to you privately regarding some personal changes which I don't want published in logs (where we are moving to  etc)Nov 22 22:14
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MinceR"how poor Android gaming devices have been received" -> links to an article discussing a single deviceNov 22 22:53
MinceRoh yeah, quality journalism from ziff-davisNov 22 22:53
DaemonFCI'm seriously considering getting a Nexus 5. It's not the cost of the phone that bothers me, it's how every carrier gouges for data plans.Nov 22 23:10
DaemonFCI thought household hard-line internet connection pricing was bad. Holy shit.Nov 22 23:10
DaemonFCFor the price of an unlimited data plan, you *should* get unthrottled 4G speeds all the time.Nov 22 23:11
DaemonFCThen again, for the price of cable you shouldn't have to deal with any caps. :)Nov 22 23:12
DaemonFCFucking Comcast wants people to pay $76 a month for cable internet, and then if you actually, you know, USE it, then they want you to pay for metered billing too.Nov 22 23:12
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DaemonFCI'm considering ditching my cable internet and replacing everything with a cell phone.Nov 22 23:13
DaemonFCIt's kind of difficult to lug a desktop PC around with you, so I have no internet connection at all if I go anywhere else.Nov 22 23:13
MinceRi have both a home connection and a mobile connection :>Nov 22 23:14
DaemonFCIt would be nice if they could make a phone that ran Fedora with KDE and had enough local storage to actually store things locally.Nov 22 23:14
MinceRthen again, hungarian telcos suck so no truly unlimited plan existsNov 22 23:14
MinceRonly "unlimited if you use the services we happen to like" plansNov 22 23:14
MinceRthen again, pretty much everything in hungary fucking sucks, so this shouldn't be a surpriseNov 22 23:14
MinceRgnNov 22 23:30
DaemonFChttp://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/police-beat-college-student-riding-bicycle-sidewalk-videoNov 22 23:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.alternet.org | Police Beat Up College Student for Riding Bicycle on Sidewalk (Video) | Alternet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2yg8 ]Nov 22 23:44
DaemonFChttp://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/11/20/246400702/this-is-what-america-s-school-lunches-really-look-like?utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=nprfacebook&utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebookNov 22 23:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.npr.org | This Is What America's School Lunches Really Look Like : The Salt : NPR  [ http://ur1.ca/g2ygp ]Nov 22 23:48
DaemonFCshared a link via NPR.Nov 22 23:52
DaemonFC6 minutes ago · EditedNov 22 23:52
DaemonFCBig Food is still dumping things that even fast food companies wouldn't serve into school lunches. I remember when I was in public school and it was a race to the cafeteria to get one of the chef's salads. This was WAY before Michelle Obama was telling kids to eat healthier. You wanted the salad because you knew what it was. They won't let students skip buying a meal, but many of them just toss it into the trash because eating it will make Nov 22 23:52
DaemonFCthem feel sick. Although, fewer students are doing that these days because eating something at school is their only guaranteed meal of the day in this economy.Nov 22 23:52
SnowleaksangeThe headmistress of the Indian school that authorities say served toxic lunches, killing 23 students, was arrested Wednesday, police said.Nov 22 23:54
_GoblinDaemonFC, re: school lunches....take a look at other countries....say... Uganda ....those people live in hunger and poverty, the US & UK don't know the meaning of the word.Nov 23 00:07
DaemonFCYes, but they're not rich countries.Nov 23 00:18
DaemonFCand the slop that they feed children at school here is embarrassing considering the total amount of wealth that exists hereNov 23 00:19
DaemonFCand roughly 24% of those students might not have food when they get home, which *is* a problemNov 23 00:19
DaemonFCYou'd expect a that a third world country where many people have HIV and malaria to have a hunger problem. It sucks that nobody is helping with that situation, but the rich are increasingly abandoning Americans too.Nov 23 00:21
DaemonFCThe idea of "foreign aid" is more or less a sham. Load them down with debt and occasionally send them a few pallets of "high protein biscuits.Nov 23 00:21
DaemonFCIt's basically a fig leaf that enriches the top 1% in countries like the US and UK.Nov 23 00:22
DaemonFCThe school lunch situation is basically a way for big food to unload crap that is unfit for retail sale, and getting the public to pay for it.Nov 23 00:23
DaemonFCLooking at what school systems feed kids now makes the stuff that they had when I was in school look like gourmet cuisine in comparison.Nov 23 00:24
DaemonFCAt least sometimes you knew what you were eating. :)Nov 23 00:24
DaemonFCIt's fucking embarrassing. They wonder why kids are becoming obese and having health problems which used to be associated with old age.Nov 23 00:24
DaemonFCWell, look at the shit they're eating. It's because it's cheap to make and they can force the public to buy it.Nov 23 00:25
_GoblinIts a point....however kids being obese is not a fault of 1 school meal a day its through parents and "I don't have time to cook properly" or "Real ingredients are too expensive".....both easily disproved.Nov 23 00:36
_GoblinBut then its having your cake and eating it.... People should only have kids if they can support them (and the math is not difficult)...the thing is today, these "parents" have kids then expect everything to be handed to them and helped....and why should someone else pay for my kids through for example school meals? If I buy a sports car will they pay the petrol? Of course not and people expecting others to pay for what they chose to have (in this case Nov 23 00:39
_Goblinkids) is out of order.Nov 23 00:39
_GoblinYou don't buy a sports car if you can't afford the fuel...it should be a no brainer that you don't have kids if you can't afford them.Nov 23 00:40
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DaemonFCyour sports car is not a human being that is starvingNov 23 01:31
_Goblinvery true...but then its about responsibility...if you have kids that you know you cannot afford, what does that say about parents....or what about parents that haven't planned financially? Thats where the car example is relevant...Nov 23 01:34
_GoblinI won't have  10 kids, because I know we can't afford 10.... if you can't afford kids, then as a responsible adult you should not be having them...but thats this world all over, nobody wants personal resposibility, its always someone elses fault.Nov 23 01:35
DaemonFCJeremy MillerNov 23 01:36
DaemonFCNovember 20 near Fort Wayne, IN via mobileNov 23 01:36
DaemonFCOmg I'm turning into my dad! I just fell asleep at a stop light .... lolNov 23 01:36
DaemonFCMe: I ran one a couple of days ago. I'm hoping that there wasn't a camera on that light, otherwise I'd better get ready to grab my ankles. Nov 23 01:36
DaemonFC_Goblin: The problem is that the parents are allowed to keep having more children to put on the system. Right-wingers want to basically force women to give birth in the name of protecting life, and then starving the children once they are here.Nov 23 01:38
DaemonFCSo their approach is not only evil, it's inhuman.Nov 23 01:38
DaemonFCHow do you protect life by forcing women to give birth and then starving the children?Nov 23 01:38
DaemonFCIt's not logical.Nov 23 01:39
DaemonFCAnd what did the children do?Nov 23 01:39
_GoblinThe problem is that the parents are allowed - Are you saying now its the fault of the government that people are not responsible enough to work out what they can afford...if a parent decided to bring life into the world and knew they couldn't afford it, what does that say about the parent?Nov 23 01:39
DaemonFCWell, the right-wingers and their war on birth control creates more children for them to starve.Nov 23 01:40
DaemonFCI don't see how any good person could get behind this.Nov 23 01:40
_GoblinThe governments are guilty of many things....however parents making silly decisions are not one of them...no money no kids....no money no car etc etc these are all no brainers.Nov 23 01:41
DaemonFCRight, but this anti-birth control policy is making the problem that they are complaining about even worse.Nov 23 01:41
DaemonFCIt's like pouring gasoline on a fire and then complaining that the fire is bigger than it was before.Nov 23 01:42
_GoblinBut you don't even have kids, so how do you establish what motives or drives a parent to have them?Nov 23 01:42
DaemonFCThey're fucking evil, *and* fucking stupid.Nov 23 01:42
DaemonFCIf you want to be fucking evil and fucking stupid, then join up with the Republicans.Nov 23 01:42
DaemonFCNo longer do you have to choose just one.Nov 23 01:42
_Goblinwhat by wieghing up if we can afford kids first, then saving, then having them? thats evil is it?Nov 23 01:43
DaemonFCThey're a big tent.Nov 23 01:43
DaemonFCThey get fucking evil, fucking stupid, and fucking crazy all in one group.Nov 23 01:43
DaemonFCWith lots of overlap.Nov 23 01:43
_GoblinSo am I evil then for saving money first before we had kids?Nov 23 01:43
_Goblinthats what I advocate, proper planning before taking the responsible step of having children.Nov 23 01:44
DaemonFCIf it's really all about the money, then you could see public funding for birth control as an investment that returns several hundred times more than it costs.Nov 23 01:45
DaemonFCIt turns out that we have these public programs because most people are revolted to see human suffering going on around them and decided to do something about it.Nov 23 01:46
_GoblinOf course its about the money....or do I expect other tax payers to do it for me? Are you saying I did wrong by preparing financially for kids before having them so I didn't have to take money from other people for my children... thats wrong is it?Nov 23 01:46
DaemonFCWell, you're mad at the parents, so you get revenge by starving their kids that they were forced to have?Nov 23 01:47
_Goblinno I'm not...Nov 23 01:47
DaemonFCA lot of people would say "Oh shit, I didn't mean to get pregnant!" and take a pill to end it.Nov 23 01:47
DaemonFCBut that's not good enough.Nov 23 01:47
_GoblinI'm mad at irresponsible parents who haven't planned financially for children, expect the state and people to support them and then complain when whats given is less than par.Nov 23 01:48
DaemonFCRight wingers see women who have sex as "whores" that require punishment (with children).Nov 23 01:48
DaemonFCThat's where their forced birth policies come from.Nov 23 01:48
DaemonFCThey really don't care anything for what happens to those children.,Nov 23 01:48
DaemonFCSo once you start to think like they do, then it becomes obvious where their policies came from.Nov 23 01:49
DaemonFCThey're religious lunatics.Nov 23 01:49
_Goblinok DaemonFC ..... I can see where this is going..... woe is me (or not you because you have no children) and its the government against the world...because of course all governments want a population of people who can't afford to live.Nov 23 01:49
DaemonFCThey see sex as filthy and amoral, so the children are the obvious punishment.Nov 23 01:49
_GoblinNext you'll be quoting Icke.....best of luck...I'm off to bed.Nov 23 01:49
DaemonFCWell, if the rich didn't want a permanent underclass, they wouldn't create one and keep it going.Nov 23 01:50
DaemonFCTheir goal is perpetual class warfare between the poor and the middle class.Nov 23 01:50
DaemonFCThe last thing they want is for the poor and middle class to get together, figure out that they only control a microscopic share of the total wealth, between them, and then bust out the guillotine and go after the bastards that don't do much of anything except own.Nov 23 01:52
DaemonFCTo the rich, it's good policy to have a few actual welfare queens around. This is intentional.Nov 23 01:52
DaemonFCIt gives them something that's really an exception that they can enrage the middle class against.Nov 23 01:53
DaemonFCIt suits their purposes, so a small amount of it is allowed.Nov 23 01:53
DaemonFCWhat we have now, right now, is a situation where most people are unable to escape poverty.Nov 23 01:54
DaemonFCEven if they are single with no kids and work full time, there's no escape.Nov 23 01:54
DaemonFCAt least, younger people have this massive problem.Nov 23 01:54
DaemonFCI don't know about you, but most of the people I know who are in their 20s and 30s have college degrees, student loan debt, and are working dead end jobs because it's what this economy is producing.Nov 23 01:55
DaemonFCMost of them really can't afford to buy anything, so the economy is continuing to collapse.Nov 23 01:56
DaemonFCThe rich don't care, because they have their own economy.Nov 23 01:56
DaemonFCAs long as they can continue buying $5,000 cheeseburgers and $75 ice cubes, and sending their own kids to their own schools,  they're happy.Nov 23 01:57
DaemonFCIf people really realized what was going on, there'd be an uprising like the French Revolution.Nov 23 01:57
DaemonFCThe rich are good at keeping a low profile about what they're up to, and using *their* media to provoke the middle class against the poor.Nov 23 01:57
DaemonFCI'm considering ditching this computer and Comcast and replacing it with a Nexus 5 with an unlimited data plan.Nov 23 02:09
DaemonFCI saw someone using a phone the other day and wondered why I have this huge thing that takes two minutes to boot up and can't go anywhere.Nov 23 02:09
DaemonFCI wonder why this personals site keeps emailing me with matches that include myself.Nov 23 02:34
DaemonFCOf course I'm a 100% match with myself.Nov 23 02:35
DaemonFC:PNov 23 02:35
DaemonFCHmm. I think we have a winner.Nov 23 02:57
DaemonFCSomeone invited me to go to see Mamma Mia with him next week.Nov 23 02:57
DaemonFCOK, recommendations from whoever is up to speed on this....Nov 23 03:13
DaemonFCBest Android phone? Preferably fast with lots of storage and has Android 4.4.Nov 23 03:13
DaemonFCI'm looking mostly at Galaxy S4 vs Nexus 5.Nov 23 03:13
DaemonFChttp://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/11/21/chris-farley-rob-ford-movie_n_4319144.html?ir=MediaNov 23 04:26
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.ca | Chris Farley 'Plays' Rob Ford In Fake Movie Trailer (VIDEO)  [ http://ur1.ca/g2zpu ]Nov 23 04:26
DaemonFC shared a link.Nov 23 04:37
DaemonFChttp://n.pr/1jssmtHNov 23 04:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.npr.org | What Can Atheism Learn From Religion?  : NPRNov 23 04:37
DaemonFCReligion is the worst part of spiritual belief. Now it can be the worst part of non-belief.Nov 23 04:37
DaemonFCWhen people give up their ability to figure things out for themselves, and conform to rigid thought patterns and group think, they lose a lot. When I was going to church, I heard something that still bothers me to this day. "This isn't a buffet. You don't pick and choose what to believe. You have to accept it all, or none of it.". In other words, you surrender your individuality, adopt absurdity, and become unjust. Isn't that what Voltaire Nov 23 04:37
DaemonFCwarned us about?Nov 23 04:37
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3324990Nov 23 07:01
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: John Carmack is leaving id Software. Maybe he can start something more GNU.Linux-friendly?Nov 23 07:01
schestowitz"Or restart his space exploration company? "Nov 23 07:01
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3318248Nov 23 07:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google's Schmidt predicts end of censorship within a decade http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/21/us-usa-google-schmidt-idUSBRE9AK03D20131121 #schmidt and #google currently censor. #hypocrisyNov 23 07:02
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.reuters.com | Google's Schmidt predicts end of censorship within a decade | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/g2m87 ]Nov 23 07:02
schestowitz"cough China cough"Nov 23 07:02
schestowitz"China is an interesting case. But Schmidt has a point: censorship could well be impractical at that point, particularly if the dark web becomes a bit more usable."Nov 23 07:02
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3323901Nov 23 07:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Turning Mozilla #Thunderbird into a Phoenix http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/11/turning-thunderbird-into-a-phoenix/index.htm #mozillaNov 23 07:03
TechrightsBot-tr-> blogs.computerworlduk.com | Turning Mozilla Thunderbird into a Phoenix - Open Enterprise  [ http://ur1.ca/g30nv ]Nov 23 07:03
schestowitz"<3 My Thunderbird. I have gigabytes of mail, more email addresses than I care to admit, calendaring through ownCloud, filters, popups, sync across multiple machines... and TB handles it beautifully."Nov 23 07:03
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307452Nov 23 07:04
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/15/richard-stallman-letter/ http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/spouse-of-a-stratfor-client/Nov 23 07:04
TechrightsBot-tr-> venturebeat.com | Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence | VentureBeat  [ http://ur1.ca/g28on ]Nov 23 07:04
schestowitz"It seems that my G+ post is no longer flagged. https://plus.google.com/u/0/113579520393333767984/posts/DzAgkQx1KDh I have not seen an explanation."Nov 23 07:04
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | ‘Innocent Until Proven Guilty’ Becomes a Thing of the Past | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g28oo ]Nov 23 07:04
TechrightsBot-trplus.google.com | Will Hill - Google+ - RMS sensibly requested community service for Jermey Hammond…  [ http://ur1.ca/g30o5 ]Nov 23 07:04
schestowitzwhat BS: http://thevarguy.com/cloud-computing-channel-partner-program/aws-amazon-cloud-new-windows-serverNov 23 07:11
TechrightsBot-trthevarguy.com | AWS: Amazon Cloud is the New Windows Server | Cloud Computing Channel Partner Program content from The VAR GuyNov 23 07:11
oiaohmschestowitz: Not exactly BS.  Lot of the media is trying to work out how they will fit into the future world.Nov 23 07:12
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3325057Nov 23 08:29
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux-fueled networked DVR adds second tuner http://linuxgizmos.com/linux-powered-networked-dvr-gets-second-tuner/ #linux #dvrNov 23 08:29
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Linux-fueled networked DVR adds second tuner ·  LinuxGizmos.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g31cr ]Nov 23 08:29
schestowitz"Personally I use Minix Neo X7: http://www.minix-europe.com/MiniX-NEO-X7-Android-42-Quad-Core-Smart-TV-Box_1 Super awesome little device! The future of computing, as it states on a box ... it really is awesome. Also, it's relatively cheap when commpared with other, similar devices [and it's NOT handicapped. It comes with full set of ports]."Nov 23 08:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.minix-europe.com | MiniX NEO X7 Android 4.2 Quad Core Smart TV Box, 134,90 €  [ http://ur1.ca/g31cs ]Nov 23 08:29
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3324534Nov 23 08:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: National security https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZqyffGCMAA1_eO.jpgNov 23 08:30
schestowitz"Eh? That looks like Andy Warhol..."Nov 23 08:30
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3319833Nov 23 08:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: What Android 4.4 KitKat will bring to your current smartphone http://www.techadvisor.co.uk/features/google-android/what-android-44-kitkat-will-bring-your-current-smartphone/ #android #kitkat #linuxNov 23 08:30
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techadvisor.co.uk | What Android 4.4 KitKat will bring to your current smartphone - Tech Advisor Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/g31d4 ]Nov 23 08:30
schestowitz"Yay. Now the entire home screen is part of the search app, which sends all your data straight back to Google. Progress!"Nov 23 08:30
schestowitzIf people say nothing, it'll only get worse over time.Nov 23 08:31
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3319458Nov 23 08:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: DOJ (J stands for justice) does not obey the law http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131120/10544925304/fisa-court-tells-doj-that-it-needs-to-explain-why-its-ignoring-order-to-declassify-surveillance-opinion.shtml how can criminals ever defend us from crime?Nov 23 08:32
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techdirt.com | FISA Court Tells The DOJ That It Needs To Explain Why It's Ignoring Order To Declassify Surveillance Opinion | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/g31dp ]Nov 23 08:32
schestowitz"Meh. They'll ignore that, too."Nov 23 08:32
oiaohmschestowitz: not exactly FISA can freeze bank accounts including the ones that do payrollNov 23 08:33
oiaohmschestowitz: mostly likely make up some bogus answer to give to FISA.Nov 23 08:34
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3325879Nov 23 08:35
TechrightsBot-tr@atomjack@diasp.org: > ----Nov 23 08:35
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.rawstory.com | Report: Corporations use professional spies-for-hire to monitor and undermine nonprofits | The Raw Story  [ http://ur1.ca/g31e9 ]Nov 23 08:35
schestowitz"<strong> <a data-hovercard='/people/da68a1f811b0f71e' href="/u/schestowitz" class='mention hovercardable' >Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)</a> </strong><sup> 23/11/2013 10:55:39</sup> Report: Corporations use professional spies-for-hire to monitor and undermine nonprofits http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/22/report-corporations-use-professional-spies-for-hire-to-monitor-and-undermine-nonprofits/ #surveillance <sub>via <a data-hovercard=Nov 23 08:36
schestowitz/people/0b0498e2475ba7a6' href="/u/willhill" class='mention hovercardable' >Will Hill</a><br /></sub> #classwar  "Nov 23 08:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3326064Nov 23 09:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Why do you trust that this secretive government is only killing "people who need to be killed"?" http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1311/S00205/debating-a-drone.htmNov 23 09:20
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.scoop.co.nz | Debating a Drone | Scoop News  [ http://ur1.ca/g31tv ]Nov 23 09:20
schestowitz"Nobody "needs" to be killed. NOBODY, (until I say so….) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erthun0Pauc "Nov 23 09:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | monty python stoning clip - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g31tw ]Nov 23 09:21
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schestowitzrather counter-intuitively, SJVN suggests Google might buy MozillaNov 23 10:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jovinosumicity/status/404186808398778368Nov 23 10:44
TechrightsBot-tr@jovinosumicity: @schestowitz I hope not too. #mozilla #googleNov 23 10:44
schestowitzThey're competing in OSes and browsers, so it's unlikely to have materialiseNov 23 10:44
oiaohmschestowitz: ok SJVN is kinda wrong.Nov 23 10:47
oiaohmschestowitz: Mozilla is a foundation.Nov 23 10:47
oiaohmschestowitz: There is no way to sell Mozilla.Nov 23 10:47
oiaohmOnly thing google could do is pull funding from Mozilla and maybe it would go bankrupt.Nov 23 10:48
schestowitzOnce upona  time people used Windows while competing with MSNov 23 10:51
schestowitzNow you have many using Google Search and Android while competing with Google on search (e.g. MS staff) and in mobile, browsers, etc.Nov 23 10:51
schestowitz[10:48] <oiaohm> schestowitz: Mozilla is a foundation.Nov 23 10:51
schestowitzThat;s what I thought tooNov 23 10:52
schestowitzMaybe some commenters already pointed this out to himNov 23 10:52
DaemonFCThe Nokia Lumia is much cheaper.Nov 23 10:54
DaemonFC$126 for that vs like $400 for an Android phone.Nov 23 10:54
DaemonFCI guess the catch is that it's using Windows. :PNov 23 10:55
oiaohmDaemonFC: what phone are you comparing to.Nov 23 10:56
oiaohmDaemonFC: there are many 100 dollar phones with great specs.Nov 23 10:56
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oiaohmDaemonFC: the question I have is MS doing a bing with Nokia.Nov 23 10:59
oiaohmDaemonFC: ie under cost sales.Nov 23 11:00
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DaemonFCI might get Sprint.Nov 23 11:10
DaemonFCThey have a better price.Nov 23 11:10
DaemonFC$59 for a Galaxy S4 phone with two year contract.Nov 23 11:10
DaemonFCUnlimited text, data, and talk for $80 a monthNov 23 11:10
DaemonFCVerizon wanted like $99 up front for the same phone + $22 a month + $70 a month for unlimited everything.Nov 23 11:11
DaemonFCerr, T Mobile I meanNov 23 11:11
DaemonFCSo $12 a month more for the plan, and $40 more for the phoneNov 23 11:11
DaemonFCSo T-Mobile would cost $328 more for the two year term.Nov 23 11:12
DaemonFCI might get the LG G2.Nov 23 11:20
DaemonFCThat looks like a good phone.Nov 23 11:20
DaemonFCoiaohm: Is 16 GB enough storage for a phone?Nov 23 11:34
DaemonFCThe Nexus 5 doesn't have a microSD slot.Nov 23 11:34
DaemonFChow many apps can you install on that?Nov 23 11:39
schestowitzMinceR: http://hup.hu/cikkek/20130930/gnu_guix_0_4Nov 23 12:03
TechrightsBot-trhup.hu | GNU Guix 0.4 | HUP  [ http://ur1.ca/g336u ]Nov 23 12:03
oiaohmDaemonFC: really for me I like phones with SD slots.Nov 23 12:04
oiaohmDaemonFC: I have had a few phones completely die.Nov 23 12:04
oiaohmDaemonFC: please note I do IT and infrastructor.Nov 23 12:05
oiaohmDaemonFC: so I deal with company aquired phones.Nov 23 12:05
schestowitzhttp://www.howtogeek.com/172987/revive-your-old-pc-the-3-best-linux-systems-for-old-computers/Nov 23 12:05
TechrightsBot-trwww.howtogeek.com | Revive Your Old PC: The 3 Best Linux Systems For Old Computers  [ http://ur1.ca/g2sfr ]Nov 23 12:05
oiaohm DaemonFC ie about 80 odd.Nov 23 12:05
DaemonFCI was just wondering if 16 GB would be enough to install many appsNov 23 12:05
DaemonFCI think they only give 2 GB for apps, right?Nov 23 12:05
DaemonFCdoesn't sound like muchNov 23 12:05
oiaohmDaemonFC: 2 GB is quite a lot inside an android.Nov 23 12:06
oiaohmDaemonFC: thinking how many applications can be set to install majority in the data segment.Nov 23 12:06
oiaohmDaemonFC: android has the Linux nature where applications can be fragmented over many drives.Nov 23 12:08
schestowitzhttp://mostlysignssomeportents.tumblr.com/post/67840009692/liartownusa-apple-cabin-foods-no-8Nov 23 12:18
TechrightsBot-trmostlysignssomeportents.tumblr.com | Cory Doctorow: liartownusa:  Apple Cabin Foods No.8  [ http://ur1.ca/g33bd ]Nov 23 12:19
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sebsebsebiophk: MinceR oh Richard Stallman is going to love some of the pre installed apps they want Nov 23 14:59
iophkI hope at least jitsi is one of them.Nov 23 15:01
iophkFlash brings Windows-like insecurities.Nov 23 15:02
sebsebsebiophk: yep Flash with DRM is inNov 23 15:02
sebsebsebSKype is inNov 23 15:02
sebsebsebjitsi is inNov 23 15:02
sebsebsebetcNov 23 15:02
iophkThe bad apps should have click-through E ULA-like warnings when installing or being run for the first time.Nov 23 15:03
sebsebsebnope won't have that I guessNov 23 15:03
sebsebsebiophk: I am missing the normal meetng at the moment, I was a bit I may go I may not todyaNov 23 15:03
iophkSounds like this crew is out to prevent as much as they can.Nov 23 15:03
sebsebsebwhat do you mean by that?Nov 23 15:03
sebsebsebiophk: they are going to do a proper theme as well for it,  seems it's good I am out voted, I want to stick to offical artworkNov 23 15:04
iophkWell the good side is they won't spoil the image of the normal distrosNov 23 15:05
sebsebsebhow so?Nov 23 15:05
iophkIf they customize the appearance enough it won't look like anything else.Nov 23 15:05
sebsebsebwell yeah I suppouseNov 23 15:06
sebsebsebiophk: I think that's the idea to, to have loads of similarites between the three (not four bye mine)Nov 23 15:06
sebsebsebthe themeNov 23 15:06
sebsebsebandNov 23 15:06
sebsebsebpre installed appsNov 23 15:06
sebsebsebiophk: having mine withut the offical artwork , would have been a bit hmm, sinc that's the sort of stuff I care aboutNov 23 15:07
sebsebsebiophk: and have been inovled with  for feedback, the last two releasesNov 23 15:08
sebsebseband if you know any graphics designers pease let me know,  there are issues getting proposals for latest versionNov 23 15:08
iophkokNov 23 15:09
sebsebsebiophk: yeah I think your rightNov 23 15:09
sebsebsebabout the themeNov 23 15:09
sebsebsebI was a bit hm rather use offical artwork, but mine is out now anyway soNov 23 15:09
sebsebsebiophk: some people may want the offical thing installed I guess, but  I know what image they want, and I guess that could work for htisNov 23 15:09
sebsebsebiophk: seems it's easier for me now, I don't have to really try and push jitsi into the Magiea repo's  and things like thatNov 23 15:10
sebsebsebiophk: to prevent earlier, what did you mean in the context?Nov 23 15:11
iophkprevent mvement away from M$ and M$-style lifeNov 23 15:17
iophkbrbNov 23 15:20
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Sosumihttps://i.4cdn.org/k/src/1385220812297.gifNov 23 15:48
Sosumiwatch and laughNov 23 15:48
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SosumiDaemonFC, they're selling the galaxy note 3 here in PT for the same price of the LG G2Nov 23 17:02
Sosumihttp://www.pixmania.pt/smartphone/samsung-sm-n9005-galaxy-note-3-32-gb-preto-smartphone/21749757-a.htmlNov 23 17:04
TechrightsBot-trwww.pixmania.pt | SAMSUNG SM-N9005 Galaxy Note 3 32 GB - preto -  smartphone | Pixmania  [ http://ur1.ca/g358k ]Nov 23 17:04
Sosumiactually cheapersNov 23 17:04
Sosumi572€ of the note 3 vs 599€ of the G2Nov 23 17:05
Sosumihttp://www.fnac.pt/LG-G2-Black-Telemovel-Telemovel/a729149Nov 23 17:06
TechrightsBot-trwww.fnac.pt | LG G2 (Black), Telemóvel. Comprar na Fnac.pt  [ http://ur1.ca/g358q ]Nov 23 17:06
Sosumithe hypePhone goes for 799€ if you get the 32GB versionNov 23 17:06
Sosumiso for bang for the buck the note 3 is the champNov 23 17:07
Sosumithe nexus 5 isn't on sale yet in here so can't add it to the comparisonNov 23 17:08
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/michaellarabel/status/404249283248918528Nov 23 17:25
TechrightsBot-tr@michaellarabel: @schestowitz full screen ads generally show once per day per user and yield ~20x more revenue than conventional ads.Nov 23 17:25
schestowitzAll I'm trying to say is, some are truly annoyed by it. To the point of not wanting to access the site again.Nov 23 17:25
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MinceRschestowitz: HUP is full of m$ cultists and the likeNov 23 18:11
MinceRit's a shitty site, i rarely read itNov 23 18:11
DaemonFCI can't decide on a phone.Nov 23 18:45
DaemonFCThe LG G2 is nice, but they haven't said whether it will get the Android 4.4 update.Nov 23 18:46
DaemonFCIt'll be on the Black Friday sale for $50 if you get it from Sprint.Nov 23 18:46
DaemonFCThe Nexus 5 is nice .It's from Google, so obviously they'll be keeping it updated.Nov 23 18:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/michaellarabel/status/404318995630665729Nov 23 18:48
TechrightsBot-tr@michaellarabel: @schestowitz that's unfortunate but simply doing what is needed to be economically viableNov 23 18:48
schestowitzI know, that's the explanation I gave as well. Publishers, however, can't always relate to readers (and vice versa)Nov 23 18:49
DaemonFCI wonder if LG will upgrade the G2 to Android 4.4. If they are, I'd go with that.Nov 23 19:06
DaemonFCI've heard they've been bad about their updates though.Nov 23 19:06
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DaemonFCI can get the LG G2 for $20 with a two year Sprint contract.Nov 23 19:17
DaemonFCThat's a REALLY nice phone for that price.Nov 23 19:17
DaemonFCSprint is running an unadvertised special on Amazon.comNov 23 19:17
DaemonFCThe phone is normally like $150 after the subsidyNov 23 19:17
Sosumiwill LG snoop on all your files and network HDDs like they do with the tvs?Nov 23 19:19
Sosumisame question can be asked about other manufacturer's phonesNov 23 19:20
DaemonFCNo idea.Nov 23 19:20
Sosumiyeah :)Nov 23 19:20
DaemonFCThis phone has some nice hardware. They're getting to be quite fast.Nov 23 19:20
DaemonFC2.26 Ghz quad core Snapdragon 800. B-)Nov 23 19:20
SosumiI know the hardware, but, it doesn't convince meNov 23 19:21
Sosuminone of the phones available doNov 23 19:21
Sosumimaybe the nexus 5, because of it's pricing and open source androidNov 23 19:23
Sosumiand as also to do with the updatesNov 23 19:24
DaemonFCSprint tells me that when I activate the phone, it will update to Android 4.3.Nov 23 19:24
DaemonFCThe agent also says that Android 4.4 will be available soon.Nov 23 19:24
Sosumisamsung says they'll have kit kat on januaryNov 23 19:25
Sosumithat is all I knowNov 23 19:25
DaemonFCLG plans to release it next month.Nov 23 19:25
DaemonFCI guess I can use 4.3 for a few weeks.Nov 23 19:25
Sosumiwell niceNov 23 19:25
DaemonFCIt's not like it's a dinosaur. There's still people using 2.2 out there.Nov 23 19:25
DaemonFC:)Nov 23 19:25
Sosumithere's ppl still using 1998 cell phonesNov 23 19:26
SosumihintNov 23 19:26
SosumimeNov 23 19:26
Sosumibeen rocking a nokia 8210 nowNov 23 19:26
Sosumiit's very small and it does what it is supposed to doNov 23 19:27
Sosumibut I'm kind of looking for a new battery for my matrix phoneNov 23 19:27
Sosumihttp://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_8210-19.phpNov 23 19:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.gsmarena.com | Nokia 8210 - Full phone specifications  [ http://ur1.ca/g361x ]Nov 23 19:28
Sosumithis is the phone I'm using nowNov 23 19:28
Sosumino killswitchesNov 23 19:28
Sosuminor gps locatorNov 23 19:28
MinceRno gprs, no umts, no hspa, no lte, no tethering :>Nov 23 19:29
SosumiyeahNov 23 19:29
MinceRalso, no edgeNov 23 19:29
SosumiindeedNov 23 19:29
Sosumiit doesn't really matter when you carry a laptop with a 3g connectionNov 23 19:31
Sosumithat you can actually turn offNov 23 19:32
Sosumijust by ejecting the express card out of the laptopNov 23 19:32
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Sosumiand actually run an OS that you can trust/controlNov 23 19:33
iophkjust not the binary driversNov 23 19:33
iophkthose can contain anythingNov 23 19:34
Sosuminor the firmwaresNov 23 19:34
Sosumithose can also contain anythingNov 23 19:34
_GoblinSosumi, can I ask......how do you connect to the net?Nov 23 19:34
SosumiI use a machine just for thatNov 23 19:35
_Goblinright.....and an ISP I  assume?Nov 23 19:35
SosumiI do airgappingNov 23 19:35
Sosumiyeah, ISPNov 23 19:35
Sosumijust not mineNov 23 19:36
_GoblinDo you mind me asking what ISP?Nov 23 19:36
Sosumiat this moment it's ZONov 23 19:36
Sosumi*ZONNov 23 19:36
_Goblinand I assume you are subscribing to this service yourself?Nov 23 19:36
SosuminopNov 23 19:36
SosumiI'm not the subscriberNov 23 19:37
_Goblinok, but your not using it without permission I assume..Nov 23 19:37
Sosumilike I said, it's not mineNov 23 19:37
MinceRSosumi: fair enoughNov 23 19:37
SosumiI'm using it with permissionNov 23 19:37
SosumiI'm just not the subscriberNov 23 19:37
_Goblingood..so then the question that needs to be considered....Nov 23 19:37
Sosumithe subscriber is a shell companyNov 23 19:38
Sosumia non entity :PNov 23 19:38
_Goblinwhilst yes a proprietary anything could contain all sort of nasty spying code (for example).....Nov 23 19:38
_Goblinhow do you know whats being monitored at an ISP level (regardless of its its yours or not)Nov 23 19:38
Sosumieverything isNov 23 19:39
Sosumibecause I assume that everything I put out is free for everyone to seeNov 23 19:39
_Goblinthe point is, back doors in proprietary software may be a given.....however a GNU/Linux system can be equally as dangerous if people are lulled into a false sense of security.Nov 23 19:39
SosumiI just want what is inside my machine to be just for me to seeNov 23 19:39
_Goblinan encrypted usb drive would do that...Nov 23 19:40
_Goblinback doors or not...Nov 23 19:40
Sosumino one is saying that gnu/linux is safe, everything can be broken in a way or anotherNov 23 19:40
Sosumiwhat just doesn't hurt is for me, at least, to cover my tracksNov 23 19:40
_Goblinhell I'd even say you are secure on Windows if the only data you want private is encrypted on a usb device.Nov 23 19:41
_GoblinAnd statistically you don't need to cover tracks by the sheer number of other users..... Even the trigger words are a bit useless since there's a campaign to flood the net with them in order to confuse security agenciesNov 23 19:42
Sosumiwathever... I just don't want a mobile device in which I have no option to disconect the radio for sureNov 23 19:43
_GoblinBut here's the clever thing...The UK has the human rights act (and in particular the part that talks about "right to private life" snooping on users would be expressly forbidden however they are doing it by proxy (ie the US) who can send the info on.... I expect it works the other way around too.Nov 23 19:43
_GoblinDr Who starts in 5 minutes.....50th year.....I have as much interest in Dr Who now as I would in a copy of Windows XP thats been running for a decade online without being scanned for virus's.Nov 23 19:47
MinceR204112 < _Goblin> hell I'd even say you are secure on Windows if the only data you want private is encrypted on a usb device.Nov 23 19:48
MinceRif that device never comes in contact with the windows pc, that is :>Nov 23 19:49
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schestowitzMuktware has just responded to techrightsNov 23 20:48
schestowitzI asked, "Would you like me to set the record straight by appending your response?"Nov 23 20:48
schestowitzIt helps show where the FUD comes fromNov 23 20:48
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3326046Nov 23 20:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Senators Call #NSA Snooping Unnecessary to Security http://www.tomshardware.com/news/senators-nsa-snooping,25162.html "collection violated the Fourth Amendment."Nov 23 20:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.tomshardware.com | Senators Call NSA Snooping Unnecessary to Security  [ http://ur1.ca/g36kb ]Nov 23 20:53
schestowitz"Thing is, they can never be trusted. This secret shadow government can say they have stopped snooping, but there is no way to verify that."Nov 23 20:54
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3326037Nov 23 20:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #JAMESRISEN and #LAURAPOITRAS have explosive new report about the #nsa http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/us/politics/nsa-report-outlined-goals-for-more-power.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1385172349-LeDM5NEYVebwg6qIrtXFmwNov 23 20:54
TechrightsBot-tr-> myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times  [ http://ur1.ca/g31m7 ]Nov 23 20:54
schestowitz"With what has already been revealed, the NSA has already trashed Silicon Valley. No US technology company will be above suspicion, eventually even down to the silicon level. Once the trust is broken, it cannot be easily repaired. Cisco's financial reports are already reflecting this trend, which I expect to grow into a monumental shitstorm affeting the entire net-connected planet."Nov 23 20:54
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3326210Nov 23 20:55
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #NSA infected 50,000 computer networks with malicious software http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/11/23/nsa-infected-50000-computer-networks-with-malicious-software/ also infected a billion computers with #windowsNov 23 20:55
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.nrc.nl | NSA infected 50,000 computer networks with malicious software - nrc.nl  [ http://ur1.ca/g32co ]Nov 23 20:55
schestowitz"I assume you've seen this: James Risen and Laura Poitras, "N.S.A. Report Outlined Goals for More Power," New York Times, November 23, 2013, http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/us/politics/nsa-report-outlined-goals-for-more-power.html I don't have time right now to even begin to attempt to wrap my head around the degree of self-righteousness at work here."Nov 23 20:55
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schestowitz"Oh yeah, now I see you've seen it, just further back in your timeline. ;-)"Nov 23 20:55
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3324538Nov 23 20:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Telcos fight the 'good' fight against us 'terrorists' http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131122/00371425332/pressure-mounts-against-telcos-to-fess-up-about-their-involvement-nsa-surveillance.shtmlNov 23 20:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techdirt.com | Pressure Mounts Against Telcos To 'Fess Up About Their Involvement In NSA Surveillance | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/g36ky ]Nov 23 20:58
schestowitz"This is amazing, arguing that they have a First Amendment right to reveal how much info they actually share with the government. When people violate my email, it's called "sharing". When someone else listens to my canned music, it's called "stealing"."Nov 23 20:58
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3323901Nov 23 20:59
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Turning Mozilla #Thunderbird into a Phoenix http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/11/turning-thunderbird-into-a-phoenix/index.htm #mozillaNov 23 20:59
TechrightsBot-tr-> blogs.computerworlduk.com | Turning Mozilla Thunderbird into a Phoenix - Open Enterprise  [ http://ur1.ca/g30nv ]Nov 23 20:59
schestowitz"kmail2 is having serious problems with my mail. <a href="http://173.20.223.180/photoalbum/chron/2013/20130928-kmail2migration/">Migration was a disaster</a> and I'm still having problems. Most of the obnoxious errors have gone away and it looks like everything is in the indexes but I'm still unable to read some of my email with it and I can't search unless I turn on kde's obnoxious file indexing database. I'm going to try turning thatNov 23 20:59
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ http://173.20.223.180/photoalbum/chron/2013/20130928-kmail2migration/ )Nov 23 20:59
schestowitzon for email only to see if that fixes things."Nov 23 20:59
schestowitzIO moved from kmail to thunderbird 10 years agiNov 23 20:59
schestowitz I moved from kmail to thunderbird 10 years agoNov 23 21:00
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3326210Nov 23 21:00
schestowitz"The extra malware is probably because the NSA does not really trust Microsoft."Nov 23 21:00
schestowitzThe NSA has enough intel' to know what happens to MSFT partners :-)Nov 23 21:01
Sosumihttp://rt.com/usa/rockefeller-cyber-ndaa-commerce-168/Nov 23 21:04
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | Rockefeller attaches cybersecurity bill to NDAA 2014 — RT USA  [ http://ur1.ca/g36ly ]Nov 23 21:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/404303170815664128Nov 23 21:06
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Tux Machines Plans for 2014 and Beyond http://t.co/bY9eWeXixH #tuxmachines #gnu #linuxNov 23 21:06
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Plans for 2014 and Beyond | Tux MachinesNov 23 21:06
schestowitzSosumi: thanksNov 23 21:06
Sosumihttp://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/it-pro/business-it/microsoft-wins-spot-in-school-curriculum-20131120-hv3n3.htmlNov 23 21:27
TechrightsBot-trwww.brisbanetimes.com.au | Microsoft wins spot in school curriculum  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pxb ]Nov 23 21:27
Sosumiyou must always get them when they're young for the indoctrination to best most effectiveNov 23 21:28
Sosumithat's what Bertrand Russel used to sayNov 23 21:28
Sosumiso we get a bunch of M$ only zombies out of schoolNov 23 21:30
MinceRso do weNov 23 21:31
Sosumias for senator "rock-a-fella" attaching the cybersec. bill to the NDAA, well that was expectedNov 23 21:31
SosumiI'm just surprised it came so lateNov 23 21:31
Sosumimy university and phd programs with US universities like with the MIT and Connergie MellonNov 23 21:33
Sosumime going to the US? not even onceNov 23 21:34
SosumiI'm actually eyeballing something with the russian academy of sciencesNov 23 21:34
Sosumibut lets see what I can pull out next year for thatNov 23 21:35
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Sosumihttp://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/11/23/nsa-infected-50000-computer-networks-with-malicious-software/Nov 23 22:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.nrc.nl | NSA infected 50,000 computer networks with malicious software - nrc.nl  [ http://ur1.ca/g32co ]Nov 23 22:33
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iophkhttp://www.itworld.com/it-management/382961/eu-net-neutrality-proposal-threatens-privacy-says-data-protection-supervisorNov 17 03:26
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schestowitzpostedNov 17 04:01
iophkokNov 17 04:02
schestowitziophk:i the next two days will be productiveNov 17 04:02
schestowitztonight I work  but am free daytimeNov 17 04:02
schestowitztomorrow free all dayNov 17 04:02
iophkniceNov 17 04:02
schestowitzand wife is going to charge within a few minutes, so no distractionsNov 17 04:02
iophkThis digest is consistently active : http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/Nov 17 04:05
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3298201Nov 17 04:15
schestowitzWoohoo, a touch-screen on my TV! How does that work, I wonder? ... and how does my TV not end up all covered withttps://diasp.org/stream#h fingerprints? (ignoring the fact that it is now covered with dust)"Nov 17 04:15
schestowitziophk: what main sources are left for Linux news aggregation?Nov 17 04:15
iophkno real main onesNov 17 04:15
schestowitzI could think of LXer, LinuxToday, Linux.com, and Google NewsNov 17 04:16
schestowitzThere used to be moreNov 17 04:16
iophkGoogle news is poor in that regardNov 17 04:16
iophk /. used to cover a lot but not for a whileNov 17 04:16
iophkLinux.com has been picking up a lot but not necessarily so quickly.Nov 17 04:16
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3298304Nov 17 04:16
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3298304Nov 17 04:16
schestowitzMy Android phone creepily found some old "me" images ... meNov 17 04:16
schestowitzNot sure if you can see that or not ..Nov 17 04:16
schestowitz"Nov 17 04:16
schestowitziophk: linux.com also chooses off-topic stuffNov 17 04:17
schestowitzi.e. not linux-relayedNov 17 04:17
schestowitzlots of CBS/ZDNet stuffNov 17 04:17
iophkYes, I rarely visit.Nov 17 04:17
schestowitz"Nov 17 04:17
schestowitz... without my signing in to gmail or g+ as far as I can remember ...Nov 17 04:17
schestowitzLike the NSA, but they want to spam you with ads instead of putting you on a terris' list.Nov 17 04:17
schestowitz"Nov 17 04:17
iophkZDNet rarely covers anything relevant, with all those Microsofters on staff.Nov 17 04:17
schestowitzFSDaily and Digg were going for a whileNov 17 04:17
iophkDigg had an anti-ODF agenda from the staffNov 17 04:18
schestowitzThere are many pro-Microsoftr blogs inZDNetNov 17 04:18
schestowitzsome DEDICAREDNov 17 04:18
schestowitz*cATEDNov 17 04:18
iophkFSDaily is technically alive, but not getting over that threshold needed to pump daily articles through.Nov 17 04:18
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293056Nov 17 04:18
iophkJoinup sometimes has Linux newNov 17 04:18
iophknewsNov 17 04:18
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/allNov 17 04:18
schestowitz"Nov 17 04:19
schestowitzWhat I remember from my journalism class is different. There the explanation for the lede (I hate that spelling, but apparently it is correct) was that the assumption was that a reader was progressively less likely to read to the end of any story. The emphasis is therefore on putting the most important material first.Nov 17 04:19
schestowitzThis, of course, is its own kind of evil. Inevitably, the decision about what is most important in a story (hence the occasional criticism of "burying the lede") is somewhat arbitrary.Nov 17 04:19
schestowitzThe other factor is that news stories are written for an eighth-grade reading level. I haven't seen an adequate justification for this decision. We do, in the United States, have a very anti-intellectual society. But the anti-intellectuals aren't reading the newspaper anyway, and probably never were.Nov 17 04:19
schestowitzSo we have two things happening here: 1) a compression of the who, what, why, how, and where of a story into a thirty-word lede; and 2) dumbed-down, short sentences with small vocabulary words to avoid the accusation of intellectual snobbery.Nov 17 04:19
schestowitzThere's a lot to criticize here. But I don't attribute it to the need to fit a story around advertising. Notice my mother's point that lots of advertising means (counterintuitively to me, at least) more space for news. She claims they're keeping a certain ratio of news to advertising (but doesn't say what it is).Nov 17 04:19
schestowitz"Nov 17 04:19
schestowitziophk: no RSS feed for it last time I checkedNov 17 04:19
schestowitzand it's run mosrly by that one Danish guyNov 17 04:20
schestowitzwhose name I can't rememberNov 17 04:20
iophkI though he was DutchNov 17 04:20
schestowitz"Nov 17 04:20
schestowitzActually, Roy, the connotation of the word content was the crux of my disagreement with Will. And my mother (I really did try to phrase the question neutrally to her, but couldn't entirely) pulled the rug out from under me on that one.Nov 17 04:20
schestowitzI have to concede to my mother on this one. She's the one who's actually worked in newsrooms. If she agrees with (gasp) Stallman about the word content, then I have little choice.Nov 17 04:20
schestowitz"Nov 17 04:20
schestowitz"@Roy - I use Joomla mainly, so while I use Wordpress once or twice a month, I admit it's been a long time since I specifically went looking for if it did revisions (obviously). Thanks for updating my WP knowledge."Nov 17 04:20
iophkClose, he is Belgian.Nov 17 04:20
schestowitzChomsky says something along the lines of, to the media, "content" are the ads they show in between a show's segment and the show is "fill" -- something that use to keep the viewer watching between commercial breaks.Nov 17 04:21
schestowitziophk: ahNov 17 04:22
schestowitzmaybe FlemmishNov 17 04:22
schestowitzI thought it by the sameNov 17 04:22
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/all/feedNov 17 04:23
iophkIt has a RSS feed now.Nov 17 04:23
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277280Nov 17 04:23
schestowitz"I am so in over my head on this one..."Nov 17 04:24
schestowitziophk: my thunderbird broke after h/w issuesNov 17 04:24
schestowitzI can';t add new feeds :/Nov 17 04:24
schestowitzSo need some other sites to point me to hifglightsNov 17 04:24
iophkCan you export your configuration and then try a new profile?Nov 17 04:24
schestowitzbut anyway I'm never managing to keep on top of the RSS feeds anymoreNov 17 04:24
schestowitzFor a number of years I was able toNov 17 04:24
iophkThunderbird seems to corrupt from time to time.Nov 17 04:24
schestowitzThat would be too riskyNov 17 04:25
iophkTHere's also a newsletter subscription.Nov 17 04:25
schestowitzit also takes up a GB of RAM whenever I start itNov 17 04:25
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/people/mypageNov 17 04:25
schestowitzI live with this nuisance for months  nowNov 17 04:25
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293427Nov 17 04:25
schestowitz"The only thing I can say about Tor is that it is much, much faster than it used to be. Yes, it lags. But it is almost tolerable."Nov 17 04:25
iophkTor router in a box : http://www.bsdnow.tv/tutorials/openbsd-routerNov 17 04:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293443Nov 17 04:26
schestowitz"Jonathan Turley has a guest blog about something similar to this: Lawrence E. Rafferty, "Criminal Defendants and Wireless Wiretaps: One Small Victory?" Jonathan Turley.org, October 27, 2013, http://jonathanturley.org/2013/10/27/criminal-defendants-and-wireless-wiretaps-one-small-victory/ Withholding the truth about how evidence was actually obtained seems to be a real problem."Nov 17 04:26
schestowitz"I know it's slow at the moment, but surely a lot of that is due to the difference in the number of people using Tor versus being a Tor relay. If everyone was doing both, those numbers would even out more. I'll grant it would still be slower than what we have, but it would be a hell of a lot more secure, and faster than using Tor is currently, I'd think."Nov 17 04:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283858Nov 17 04:28
schestowitz"And the weighting that you'll give any specific piece of evidence."Nov 17 04:28
schestowitzgotra get some IRC posts out... bblNov 17 04:31
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schestowitz"Let me preface this by saying that I have no idea who's grinding this particular axe, be it a pro-Elop or anti-Elop faction, attaché or partisan. If Mr. Elop was, as his critics suggest, a trojan horse for Microsoft during his brief but turbulent tenure as Nokia's CEO, then he's certainly earned his spurs vis-a-vis the folks in Redmond, regardless of whether they're singing his praises in Keilaniemi."Nov 17 06:13
schestowitzhttp://seekingalpha.com/article/1833892-a-microsoft-spin-off-may-be-in-the-cards-regardless-of-ceo-pickNov 17 06:13
schestowitztechrights citedNov 17 06:13
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402077438353502208Nov 17 09:16
schestowitzDamn, i should never link to them againNov 17 09:16
iophkoldish - http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/08/new-api-severely-restricts-third-party-twitter-applications/Nov 17 09:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402078002147647488Nov 17 09:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/julian0liver/status/402090512322007041Nov 17 10:18
schestowitzhe made it ambiguous.Nov 17 10:18
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/flemingjude/status/402093718498328576Nov 17 10:35
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/402105893749129216Nov 17 11:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/402105957536133120Nov 17 11:09
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/402105893749129216Nov 17 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr@glynmoody: @julian0liver @schestowitz yes, but the point is he afterwards said he wasn't asked - because he was legally obliged to; his father isn't...Nov 17 11:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/402105957536133120Nov 17 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr@glynmoody: @schestowitz @julian0liver exactly; his father removes the ambiguityNov 17 11:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/flemingjude/status/402093718498328576Nov 17 11:14
TechrightsBot-tr@flemingjude: @schestowitz Found this today: http://t.co/kvRymLyh3U HugeNov 17 11:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402077438353502208Nov 17 11:15
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @schestowitz "http://t.co/Tk3svGIrP9 articles are only available to registered users" :(Nov 17 11:15
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.ft.com | World business, finance, and political news from the Financial Times - FT.comNov 17 11:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402078002147647488Nov 17 11:15
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @schestowitz no idea... but I was pretty much wondering when they kicked me off that article :))Nov 17 11:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/julian0liver/status/402090512322007041Nov 17 11:15
TechrightsBot-tr@julian0liver: @glynmoody @schestowitz Linus himself admitted he was asked at Linuxcon http://t.co/uNDNeoRwwBNov 17 11:15
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.eweek.com | Linus Torvalds Talks Linux Development at LinuxConNov 17 11:15
schestowitzI got like 50 retweets of thisNov 17 11:15
schestowitzit's massive today (on a Sunday, too)Nov 17 11:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402110758747525120Nov 17 11:32
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @glynmoody @schestowitz @julian0liver no, he doesn't. Not really. It remains just as ambiguous as it was.Nov 17 11:32
schestowitzI can't see the ambiguityNov 17 11:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402111667221196800Nov 17 11:33
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @glynmoody @schestowitz @julian0liver he just sais what "people understood", no talk about facts...Nov 17 11:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402112438117470208 https://twitter.com/wwwramothde/status/402112784604745728Nov 17 11:43
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @schestowitz @glynmoody @julian0liver as said. The Message is about what people "understood", not about facts. Political Wording...Nov 17 11:43
TechrightsBot-tr@wwwramothde: @glynmoody @schestowitz @julian0liver "2 answers, one is correct", he didn't say which one, only mentioned what "everybody understood".Nov 17 11:43
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iophkhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/15/jeremy-hammond-sentenced_n_4280738.htmlNov 17 13:07
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.com | Jeremy Hammond Sentenced To 10 Years In Prison  [ http://ur1.ca/g1xz6 ]Nov 17 13:07
iophkhttp://rt.com/usa/jeremy-hammond-sentence-nyc-785/Nov 17 13:09
iophk"The controversial case has also ensnared the presiding judge,   Loretta Preska, whose husband Thomas Kaveler was implicated in   the leaked emails."Nov 17 13:09
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | Stratfor hacker Jeremy Hammond sentenced to ten years in jail — RT USA  [ http://ur1.ca/g1xzi ]Nov 17 13:09
MinceRgeekingsNov 17 13:10
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zeth0/status/402139543224467456Nov 17 13:26
TechrightsBot-tr@zeth0: RT: #NSA tried to ask #Linus to Install Backdoors into #Linux - http://t.co/PdewxugL5c (v @schestowitz) (via @glynmoody)Nov 17 13:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> falkvinge.net | NSA Asked Linus Torvalds To Install Backdoors Into GNU/Linux - Falkvinge on InfopolicyNov 17 13:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3301809Nov 17 13:31
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The US DHS wants to treat people like cattle http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy/privacy_advcom_rpt_rfid_draft.pdf why not ask IBM for help? They helped Hitler.Nov 17 13:31
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schestowitz"ACK. That this is even up for discussion is... terrifying. Certainly heard rumors about this shit, but seeing it on paper is a whole other thing."Nov 17 13:31
iophkhttp://venturebeat.com/2013/11/16/friday-shame-facebook-reminds-you-that-your-posts-are-also-its-ads/Nov 17 13:37
TechrightsBot-trventurebeat.com | Friday Shame: Facebook reminds you that your posts are also its ads | VentureBeat  [ http://ur1.ca/g1y68 ]Nov 17 13:37
schestowitztaNov 17 13:41
schestowitzwill post laterNov 17 13:45
schestowitzmany articles coming tomorrowNov 17 13:45
schestowitzIRC logs and many posts releases on the SundayNov 17 13:45
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sebsebsebiophk: hmmNov 17 14:10
sebsebsebiophk: not sure, but I think he might be trying to cut my proposlas out, when I am still meant to be able to propse themNov 17 14:10
iophkit's possibleNov 17 14:11
iophkthe way the voting was described sounded suspicious.  Just roll ahead though.Nov 17 14:11
sebsebsebiophk: yeah, but I just got this emalNov 17 14:11
sebsebsebandNov 17 14:11
sebsebsebits unclearNov 17 14:11
sebsebsebiophk: sound like he won't add new proposals nwNov 17 14:11
sebsebsebor if they are lateNov 17 14:11
sebsebsebnot sure which it isNov 17 14:11
iophkJust roll ahead then.Nov 17 14:12
iophkYou got them finished yesterday.Nov 17 14:12
iophkOr the day before.Nov 17 14:12
sebsebsebiophk: If there are any late contributions I MAY need to add amendments to help run the meeting better.  I will NOT be adding any new proposals. Nov 17 14:12
sebsebsebwhat does that mean?Nov 17 14:12
iophkHard to say.  When did  you submit your proposals?Nov 17 14:13
sebsebsebiophk: I have't sent a upate yetNov 17 14:13
sebsebsebiophk: he's done his ordering thing already it seemsNov 17 14:13
iophkFinish sending it.Nov 17 14:13
sebsebsebthat he said he would do on o MondayNov 17 14:15
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iophkhttp://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/5265Nov 17 14:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.raspberrypi.org | TWO MILLION! | Raspberry PiNov 17 14:16
sebsebsebiophk: I'll show you on pastebin hold onNov 17 14:16
sebsebsebiophk: I think he may be trying to push my thing outNov 17 14:18
sebsebsebiophk: and probaby been tryng to do that without it seeming, so for weeksNov 17 14:18
iophkProbably but finish the proposals anyway.Nov 17 14:18
iophkOr the updatesNov 17 14:18
sebsebsebiophk: he probably doesn't like me or something, since he's nearly 60, and I am 26, so not on the same pageNov 17 14:18
iophkCould be.Nov 17 14:19
iophkYou should start an installfest like you initially talked about.Nov 17 14:19
sebsebsebso not thinking aike enough it seemsNov 17 14:19
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sebsebsebiophk: or I could re sign from the event and make that publiic on the LUG list or something?Nov 17 14:19
sebsebsebnot that many peope would care, but stillNov 17 14:20
iophkno point in making noiseNov 17 14:20
iophkno return on the effortNov 17 14:20
iophkwill you get the updates in today?Nov 17 14:20
sebsebsebiophk: I am not sure if he wil still take any updatesNov 17 14:24
iophkSend them and find out.Nov 17 14:24
sebsebsebiophk: see my pmNov 17 14:25
iophkHe's succeeded in making it bureaucratic.Nov 17 14:26
iophkSend your updates anyway.Nov 17 14:26
sebsebsebiophk: how?Nov 17 14:26
sebsebsebiophk: now it' more confussingNov 17 14:26
sebsebsebhow am I meant to put in my updaes?Nov 17 14:26
iophkThe way you would have done them yesterday.Nov 17 14:27
sebsebsebiophk: ,but now he's orderd some propssl etcNov 17 14:27
sebsebsebiophk: what does bureaucratic mean exactly? it's a politcla termNov 17 14:27
iophkpaperworkNov 17 14:29
iophkrather than task-orientedNov 17 14:29
sebsebsebis that what it means?Nov 17 14:29
sebsebsebhe's always been about his forms etcNov 17 14:29
sebsebsebfrom the beginigngNov 17 14:29
sebsebsebiophk: the meeting notes etcNov 17 14:29
sebsebsebwhat do you mean paperwork rather than task-oriented?Nov 17 14:30
iophkhttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bureaucraticNov 17 14:30
TechrightsBot-tren.wiktionary.org | bureaucratic - Wiktionary  [ http://ur1.ca/g1ye6 ]Nov 17 14:30
sebsebsebI  was on hat page before I Think or whateverNov 17 14:31
iophkcomplex, inefficientNov 17 14:31
MinceRlike windows?Nov 17 14:32
sebsebsebohama: structure and regulations to control someting?Nov 17 14:32
sebsebsebis that what it means?Nov 17 14:32
iophkrules for the sake of rulesNov 17 14:32
iophkoften conflicting and contradictoryNov 17 14:32
iophkMinceR: like Windows exactlyNov 17 14:32
MinceR:)Nov 17 14:32
sebsebsebiophk: rules that confuse peopleNov 17 14:33
sebsebseband cause problems?Nov 17 14:33
iophkyepNov 17 14:33
sebsebsebwanting to do a vote weeks laterNov 17 14:33
sebsebsebon the tech stuffNov 17 14:33
sebsebsebafter doing fudning and venueNov 17 14:33
sebsebsebwhen should have decided the tech stuff propery earlier on!Nov 17 14:33
sebsebseb?Nov 17 14:33
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sebsebsebwhat happended there?Nov 17 14:34
iophknetworkingNov 17 14:34
sebsebseb[19:33] <sebsebseb> wanting to do a vote weeks laterNov 17 14:34
sebsebseb[19:33] <sebsebseb> on the tech stuffNov 17 14:34
sebsebseb[19:33] <sebsebseb> after doing fudning and venueNov 17 14:34
sebsebseb[19:33] <sebsebseb> when should have decided the tech stuff propery earlier on!Nov 17 14:34
sebsebseb[19:33] <sebsebseb> ?Nov 17 14:34
iophkyeah, doing stuff backwardsNov 17 14:35
sebsebsebwell he wantd to see demo's of remasters, I coudn't make mine yet, but that's not realy itNov 17 14:35
sebsebsebwe coud have talked more proeprly about distros and interfaces at the begiingNov 17 14:35
sebsebseband  made more concrete decisons thenNov 17 14:36
sebsebseb,but  at the meetings he wanted ot ignore the tech stuffNov 17 14:36
sebsebsebhe didn't want to discuss it muchNov 17 14:36
sebsebsebhe wanted to focus on other thngs,  and  try and get the bus etc, he wasn't happy after that first meeting, when it ended later, becuase we talked tech stuff toNov 17 14:36
sebsebseband so he din't get his busNov 17 14:36
iophkhiding behind papers and making up rulesNov 17 14:36
iophkJust send your updates and not worry.Nov 17 14:37
sebsebsebiophk: yeah and not seeing things from differnet angles it seems toNov 17 14:37
sebsebsebpeoples difernet review points and whyNov 17 14:37
sebsebsebiophk: and if he starts sayign he won't accept new propslas now?Nov 17 14:37
sebsebsebwhta do I sayNov 17 14:37
sebsebsebthat he said I had until MondayNov 17 14:37
iophkyepNov 17 14:37
sebsebsebor Monday evening eenNov 17 14:37
iophkand you're thus getting the updates in earlyNov 17 14:37
sebsebsebon timeNov 17 14:38
sebsebsebnot early, but on tme sureNov 17 14:38
sebsebsebiophk: well in this time zone there's four hours and  a bit left of SundayNov 17 14:38
sebsebsebso I guess I need to get my concrete proposal emaild before Sunday is over!Nov 17 14:38
sebsebsebthen I can realy say, if he start,s that he said I had untll MondayNov 17 14:39
iophkIf you get them in on Sunday, they are early.Nov 17 14:39
sebsebseband that he also sai he would organise things on Monday not SundayNov 17 14:39
sebsebsebhe's orgnaised today, but he said he would on MondayNov 17 14:39
sebsebsebMonday/Tueday he didn't say SundayNov 17 14:39
sebsebsebiophk: ok help me, you saw that thing, what am  I am going to put exactly?Nov 17 14:40
sebsebsebiophk: in fact I got an ideaNov 17 14:40
sebsebsebMinceR: come help to if you wantNov 17 14:40
sebsebsebI am going to do a piratepad :)Nov 17 14:40
sebsebsebiophk: so you can help me edit the document that's the idea :)Nov 17 14:42
iophkThere's not much to add I thought.Nov 17 14:42
sebsebsebiophk: well ther is and isn't, I'll show you what I did yesterday  on this as well, but I Think not  quite ike what I did yesterday, uh Friday atsulyNov 17 14:43
sebsebsebiophk: http://piratepad.net/Q4DtWAgAGSNov 17 14:43
TechrightsBot-trpiratepad.net | PiratePad: Q4DtWAgAGSNov 17 14:43
sebsebsebgo thereNov 17 14:43
sebsebsebiophk: it loaded up ok I guessNov 17 14:45
_Goblin:) Hi allNov 17 14:53
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sebsebsebiophk: MinceR backcomputer issuesNov 17 15:00
iophkokNov 17 15:00
sebsebseband I see you both left the padNov 17 15:00
sebsebsebiophk: MinceR isn't it a bit strange to have Unity, but no GNOME ShellNov 17 15:01
sebsebseband  Cinnaon, but no GNOME Shel to in a wayNov 17 15:01
iophkok mate instead of cinnamonNov 17 15:01
sebsebsebaltough UNity is what it is, since Canonal didn't want go go with GNOME Shell for the desktopNov 17 15:01
sebsebseband  both Cinnamon and Mate exist, since the GNOME 3 disikersNov 17 15:01
sebsebsebiophk: no I jus think GNOME 3 GNOME Shll should be there sine it's a major upstrema projectNov 17 15:02
sebsebseb,but they don't seem to think soNov 17 15:02
sebsebsebalso GNOME Shell is better than UnityNov 17 15:02
sebsebsebiophk: they just want Windows like interfaces really, and they might do Uity to it seemsNov 17 15:02
sebsebseb,but I think GNOME Shell should be there to if UnityNov 17 15:02
sebsebseb,but then what distro is goign to have ti Mageia? if it's one distro per interface,  and they want 3 distros reallyNov 17 15:03
iophksimplification by having oneNov 17 15:03
sebsebsebiophk: it was maybe easier at the bbeinign 2 or 3 distros, and we had only 3, and then the Uuntu guy joined us and we got four hmmNov 17 15:03
sebsebsebiophk: irght, it seems KDE is going to be used in openSUSENov 17 15:03
sebsebseband so Magiea is out, unless I can persuade them to use it for GNOME Nov 17 15:03
iophkKDE in MageiaNov 17 15:04
sebsebsebit semsNov 17 15:04
sebsebsebiophk: we would want that, but the others nopeNov 17 15:04
sebsebsebthey sem to want KDE in openSUSE you seen the proposalsNov 17 15:04
sebsebseb3 or 4 vs 1 I am out voted for that one thenNov 17 15:04
iophkKeep talking with them individuallyNov 17 15:04
sebsebsebiophk: I can try with GNOME 3, but I think that's not going to get used as wellNov 17 15:04
MinceRsebsebseb: i don't care for gnome shell eitherNov 17 15:04
iophkGNOME is over.Nov 17 15:04
sebsebsebI have one shot it seems to get Mageia in, and that's GNOMENov 17 15:05
iophkMate instead of GnomeNov 17 15:05
sebsebsebunless I realy can persaaude the propery why it should be used instead of openSUSE for KDE, maybeNov 17 15:05
iophkOr KDE on MageiaNov 17 15:05
sebsebsebthey won't have KDE on Mageia,  that's what I am saying, I don't think they will go with that, since they want openSUSE for thatNov 17 15:05
sebsebsebalso if it's one interface per distro, what's going to run Mate?Nov 17 15:06
sebsebsebif  Mint is doing Cinnamon, Open SUSE is KDE, what's going ot run Mate?   there's no live sesssion of Mate unforuatnly for MageiaNov 17 15:06
sebsebsebreally Mate just exists since the GNOME 3 whiner same with CinnamonNov 17 15:08
sebsebseband yeah looks ike we having Uuntu twice then, with those minor MInt diffeerncesNov 17 15:08
iophkMint is reduntant if Ubuntu is there.  It just has toxic mono that needs to be removed to make it ok.Nov 17 15:09
sebsebsebwe been through that many times alreadyNov 17 15:09
iophkyepNov 17 15:09
sebsebseb,but that's now how they see things it seemsNov 17 15:09
sebsebsebthat's not how they see things it seemsNov 17 15:09
iophkdid you write to them lately?Nov 17 15:10
sebsebsebI even did a meail before to them before saying how simlar          Ubuntu and Mint were and all thatNov 17 15:10
sebsebseb,but made no differenceNov 17 15:10
iophkI think the earlier suggestion about putting things on paper would have been good.Nov 17 15:10
sebsebsebputting what on paper?Nov 17 15:10
sebsebsebI done a few opinion emails before, if that's what you meanNov 17 15:11
iophkYour ideasNov 17 15:11
sebsebseb I didNov 17 15:11
sebsebsebI did a few emailsNov 17 15:11
iophkthen discussing them with the groupNov 17 15:11
iophke-mail != paperNov 17 15:11
sebsebsebweren't always properly understood by this older guy, but stillNov 17 15:11
iophkpaper = paperNov 17 15:11
sebsebsebI also tried to discus tings a bit at meetings Nov 17 15:11
sebsebsebiophk: I have to make a prposl forNov 17 15:12
sebsebsebiophk: well I gues my general idea the longer thingNov 17 15:12
sebsebsebor somethingNov 17 15:12
sebsebsebiophk: I was gong to put my Friday stuff to onto the piratepad, but I see you left it agianNov 17 15:12
sebsebsebiophk: for me I think, Cinnamon and Mate are a comboNov 17 15:13
sebsebsebin my eyes they arereallyNov 17 15:13
iophkthe sameNov 17 15:13
sebsebseband I think if having Unity shoud have GNOME Shell, since they are similer intefacesNov 17 15:13
sebsebsebI also think in the case of LXDE and XFCE don't really need both for this kind of thing, since they are so similarNov 17 15:13
iophk4b 4cNov 17 15:13
sebsebsebI like the combo idea's, but yet he's got this idea one distro per interfaceNov 17 15:14
sebsebsebGNOME and KDE tend to go together in distro's toNov 17 15:14
sebsebsebhence why I was trying to sugget  Mageia for both, or with Open Suse  and such,  and then I was thinking I could propse at least one interface in Mageia, if not the other or osomethingNov 17 15:14
sebsebsebiophk: I got the general idea, but I need to put it down propery into this thing it seems, and that's what I am trying to get help with here :)Nov 17 15:15
sebsebsebiophk: and 4b and 4c are no good I ThinkNov 17 15:15
iophkThen modify themNov 17 15:15
sebsebsebiophk: since Mageia doesn't have Live sessions, for anything,but KDE and GNOMENov 17 15:15
sebsebseban remember it's the remasterd live sesions idea they are going withNov 17 15:16
iophkXUbuntu or Lubuntu have liveNov 17 15:16
sebsebsebwell yeah, butNov 17 15:16
sebsebsebI don't think those wil be in eitherNov 17 15:16
sebsebsebsince if Ubuntu is in it will be for UnityNov 17 15:16
sebsebsebit seemsNov 17 15:16
sebsebseband that's itNov 17 15:16
iophkThey will be if you propose themNov 17 15:17
sebsebsebI tried that in something before to actsllyNov 17 15:17
sebsebsebiophk: I'll show you what I did on Friday i that piratpead hold onNov 17 15:17
sebsebseb,but htis all confusisng so many thigns i could proposeNov 17 15:17
iophkWrite them down and then prioritize.Nov 17 15:17
sebsebsebiophk: I started doing that on FRiday or kind of I thinkNov 17 15:18
sebsebsebiophk: ok fond the document from FridayNov 17 15:21
sebsebsebI'll put the contents on the pirpatpad now for you to seeNov 17 15:21
sebsebsebiophk: at the bottom of it see?Nov 17 15:22
iophkYESNov 17 15:23
sebsebsebiophk: yep so tere's that and I coul added more then I thought....  and I got this other idea that I'll type up in thre now as wellNov 17 15:23
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sebsebsebiophk: are you still seeing what I put there etc?Nov 17 15:31
iophkyesNov 17 15:31
Sosumihp suspended sales of chromebook 11Nov 17 15:32
iophksosumi: overheatingNov 17 15:32
iophk?Nov 17 15:32
Sosumiapparently due to overheating power adaptorsNov 17 15:32
SosumiyeajhNov 17 15:32
sebsebsebSosumi: oepnSUSE is going to make me qutie annoyed on Tuesday probably!Nov 17 15:34
Sosumialso bitcoin is at almost 350€, which isn't bad at allNov 17 15:35
Sosumiwhat the hell is a openSUSE? :PNov 17 15:35
sebsebsebSosumi: uhmm a Linux distro that MinceR has strong feelings of love for!Nov 17 15:35
SosumiI was just trolling :PNov 17 15:36
Sosumiat this moment only red hat and arch get my loveNov 17 15:36
sebsebsebSosumi: well openSUSE wil probably realy annoy me on TuesdayNov 17 15:37
Sosumiwhy?Nov 17 15:37
sebsebsebwhen Magiea probaly gets out voted by it!Nov 17 15:37
sebsebsebfor this eventNov 17 15:37
SosumisadNov 17 15:37
sebsebsebwell yeah it is in my caseNov 17 15:37
sebsebsebsince I been spending time doing stuff for this event, thinking Mageia would be in, and then well hmmNov 17 15:38
SosumiMageia = magician, why not say that if Mageia is voted inNov 17 15:38
SosumiGandalf would show upNov 17 15:38
sebsebsebSosumi: iophk  I think Mageia is a hard sale really her and there, and Thistelweb was saying that kind of stuff to me on Friday night toNov 17 15:39
Sosumiit'd be a nice PRNov 17 15:39
sebsebsebeven to get Linux users distro hopping to itNov 17 15:39
iophkyesNov 17 15:39
sebsebsebthat at times can be a hard sale I guessNov 17 15:39
sebsebsebiophk: what are you saying yes to /Nov 17 15:39
sebsebseb?Nov 17 15:39
iophkget Linux users distro hopping to itNov 17 15:39
sebsebsebsome haveNov 17 15:39
sebsebseb,but there's loads ofo ther ones out there Fedora etNov 17 15:40
sebsebsebcNov 17 15:40
iophkJust have the discs in your bag of swag to hand outNov 17 15:40
sebsebsebiophk: at the event yesNov 17 15:40
iophkFedora is another good choice but not so great as an introNov 17 15:40
sebsebsebif they can''t agree to just have it on a table or whatverNov 17 15:40
iophknot on a table...Nov 17 15:40
iophkyou have to give out swag in personNov 17 15:40
sebsebsebI can still bring some discs along and try and gie out to peope I guessNov 17 15:40
sebsebsebif I annoy a few of the other organisers whilst at itNov 17 15:40
sebsebsebso be it I guessNov 17 15:40
iophkso be itNov 17 15:41
sebsebsebit's not like they are my friendsNov 17 15:41
sebsebsebat the end of the day anyway, as has been recenty shown even more to meNov 17 15:41
sebsebsebiophk: what are they going to do arrest me? heh hehNov 17 15:41
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sebsebsebiophk: I am going to try and put that recent idea that I did on the piratepadNov 17 15:42
sebsebsebito their style on thereNov 17 15:42
sebsebsebfor you to seeNov 17 15:42
sebsebsebI think that's the way to doitNov 17 15:42
sebsebsebiophk: he did ai if gnome oneNov 17 15:42
sebsebsebotehrwise it's like going through distor,s saying  if  that this interfac, if this that interface etcNov 17 15:42
iophkyeah but it looked negative on gnomeNov 17 15:42
iophkLike I wrote, deciding the DE should come before the distros.Nov 17 15:43
sebsebsebwhat do you mean it looks negative on GNOME?  that GNOME 3 probably won't be in?Nov 17 15:43
iophkRightNov 17 15:43
sebsebsebwell he's not done it that wayNov 17 15:43
sebsebsebhe's done interfaces and distros togetherNov 17 15:43
MinceRtazer? but i don't even know 'er!Nov 17 15:43
sebsebsebiophk: maybe he's being negatie to GNOME 3 as you jst caled itNov 17 15:43
sebsebsebiophk: sice I made it clear enough I was posbilly wanting GNOME 3 in MageiaNov 17 15:43
sebsebsebI mean he has usedFedora himself this guyNov 17 15:44
sebsebseband so GNOME 3 for qute a while, altough he's likieing Mint and Cinnamon nowNov 17 15:44
sebsebsebiophk: if KDE I propse..Nov 17 15:44
sebsebsebifGNOME I PROSE...Nov 17 15:44
sebsebsebiophk: I think bothGNOME 3 and Magea are out some how thoughNov 17 15:45
sebsebseband I wanted both for the eventNov 17 15:45
sebsebsebhmmNov 17 15:45
sebsebsebI can try and that's it reallyNov 17 15:45
sebsebsebiophk: and I can get voted out on Tueday if I even bother goign to that in the endNov 17 15:45
iophkyepNov 17 15:45
sebsebseband get votedo ut probaby and then I can say soething about the vote not being fair etcNov 17 15:45
sebsebsebat the end or whateverNov 17 15:45
sebsebsebif I want to do thatNov 17 15:45
iophkstay if mageia stays?Nov 17 15:46
sebsebsebiophk: actsually I know  I would hae reacted to the being voted out possbly if I was 19 stil which I am notNov 17 15:46
sebsebsebsince something that happended....Nov 17 15:46
sebsebsebiophk: I could ask them as wlelNov 17 15:46
sebsebsebdo you still want me tovolunteer with this event or what?Nov 17 15:46
iophkWhat about #8 on the pad there?Nov 17 15:46
sebsebsebnot quite sure how I am going to react on Tueday if at that meetingNov 17 15:46
sebsebsebiophk: yeah I could try that maybeNov 17 15:47
sebsebseb,but I don't think they would like thatNov 17 15:47
iophkhave to try IMHONov 17 15:47
sebsebseband really the proposals have now been don anywayNov 17 15:48
sebsebsebdistro and interface  or  for yeahNov 17 15:48
iophkhe may not know the difference between a DE and a distroNov 17 15:48
sebsebseboh I think he doesNov 17 15:48
sebsebsebhe just thinks they are so simlar or whateverNov 17 15:48
iophkdoesn't sound like itNov 17 15:49
sebsebsebiophk: it's the uster expereinceNov 17 15:49
sebsebseband then distribution differences etcNov 17 15:49
sebsebsebI think he thinks they just go together  mainlyNov 17 15:49
sebsebsebiophk: not sure if I can do 8  though in the documentNov 17 15:50
sebsebsebsince it's meant to be a proposal for distros and interfaceNov 17 15:50
iophkIt's a proposalNov 17 15:50
sebsebsebthat will justwind them upNov 17 15:50
sebsebsebI thinkNov 17 15:50
sebsebsebor him upNov 17 15:50
iophkbecause they can't tell a distro from a DE?Nov 17 15:50
sebsebsebiophk: and even if that' done, I guess hten it wil be like,  Cinnamon KDENov 17 15:50
sebsebsebGNOME2Nov 17 15:51
sebsebsebiophk: did he really mean Mate when he aidGNOEM 2Nov 17 15:51
iophkProbablyNov 17 15:51
sebsebsebor  does he not know the difference between GNOME 2 and Mate?Nov 17 15:51
sebsebsebwhy didhe put GOME 2 andn ot MateNov 17 15:51
iophkprobably confused the twoNov 17 15:51
sebsebsebiophk: also why did he put  the oldmeetig date, into the hwat yu going to bring subject, insteado of the nwer?Nov 17 15:51
sebsebsebiophk: I think I can put 8 in a meal Nov 17 15:52
sebsebsebor suggest that for the agenda or somethingNov 17 15:52
sebsebsebiophk: to be honest I been sressed out orwhatever with this guy since the last LUG meetingNov 17 15:53
sebsebsebat the end of last monthNov 17 15:53
iophkI gatherNov 17 15:53
sebsebsebwhen he basically said you either do a remaster or...Nov 17 15:53
sebsebsebthe ultimatum thingNov 17 15:53
sebsebsebthen the proposal vote stuff in his way on the 7th etcNov 17 15:54
sebsebsebiophk: I am glad I am not canlleing my other group  over this meetngNov 17 15:54
sebsebsebgot it changed from Thursday to TuesdayNov 17 15:54
sebsebsebI think I Nee to go on Thursday :) not been a while now and yeah, it's ogodNov 17 15:54
sebsebsebspeaking groupNov 17 15:54
sebsebsebiophk: learn to public speak proeryNov 17 15:55
sebsebsebget evaulated and suchNov 17 15:55
iophkusefulNov 17 15:55
sebsebsebdo something with "average people"  most of them don't know cmputer stuff ofcourse, but yeahNov 17 15:55
sebsebsebiophk: right let's try and do a proposl in that style etc with the latest ideaNov 17 15:56
sebsebseband I guess that's that reallyNov 17 15:56
iophkokNov 17 15:56
sebsebseb,but I am doing on hte piratepad first so you can seeNov 17 15:56
iophkI like #8 bestNov 17 15:56
sebsebsebiophk: I mean I can propse loads of things,bbut I think I Just need to do suff in a way that makes senseNov 17 15:56
sebsebsebI like 8 as well, but I can't really put in the document itself, in a meail I guess I canNov 17 15:56
iophkYou can, it's a proposal.Nov 17 15:57
sebsebsebiophk: proposal is meant to be for distros and interfaces thoughNov 17 15:57
sebsebsebwhich ones to haveNov 17 15:57
sebsebsebbeing speicifc etcNov 17 15:57
iophkand thus it is on topicNov 17 15:57
iophkit is specificNov 17 15:57
sebsebsebI guess as a ike first proposalNov 17 15:57
sebsebsebI can put thatNov 17 15:57
sebsebseblike he suggestd the guy made a cut downNov 17 15:57
sebsebsebor  his if  gnome  suggeste GNOME 2Nov 17 15:58
sebsebsebiophk: do I order it, and put 8 as the ifrst one in this ting?Nov 17 15:58
sebsebsebor uhNov 17 15:58
sebsebsebthat's what confuses me to the numbers and  lettersNov 17 15:58
iophkYeahNov 17 15:58
iophkThe numbers and letters *are* confused.Nov 17 15:58
iophkJust arrange them so they make sense.  Nov 17 15:58
sebsebsebyeah need some hep wit that to I ThinkNov 17 15:59
sebsebsebthat's what I am going to try ow, put my stuff in, but in the latest documentNov 17 15:59
sebsebsebin that style etcNov 17 15:59
sebsebsebiophk: if interfaces are decded and they say no GNOME 3Nov 17 16:00
sebsebsebI can't just show GNOME 3 or uhNov 17 16:00
sebsebsebor  I can't get Mageia in  on  GNOME 3Nov 17 16:00
sebsebsebif  its 8 first,  it may just rule out how I am trying to get Mageia in seeNov 17 16:00
iophkthen negotiate mageia on some other DE Nov 17 16:00
sebsebsebther's only KDE and GNOME as optiosn for MageiaNov 17 16:01
sebsebsebsince  no live sessions for anything else unfortunattlyNov 17 16:01
sebsebseband it's remasters,  and I am not going to try and get something unoffical made forsome other DE or whatever you knwNov 17 16:01
iophkTHen they'll have to rethink the remaster thing after picking DENov 17 16:01
sebsebsebno they won'tNov 17 16:01
sebsebsebwhat happended is this atsulyNov 17 16:02
sebsebsebone of the first things that got decidd thefirst thing infactNov 17 16:02
sebsebsebin the first or second meeting, was to go with remastersNov 17 16:02
iophkWhy are you wasting time on them if they are so backwards and inflexible?Nov 17 16:02
sebsebsebiNov 17 16:02
iophkI would think they'd come around.Nov 17 16:02
sebsebsebI rememer sayig to a guy I'll look into itNov 17 16:02
sebsebsebiophk: nope seem really stuborn on the remasters idea'sNov 17 16:02
sebsebseband  giving them out on USB'sNov 17 16:02
iophkLOLNov 17 16:03
sebsebseboh, but Windows will reformat the USB you said beforeNov 17 16:03
sebsebsebuhmmm right yeah, but no I didn't tell them that yetNov 17 16:03
iophkyepNov 17 16:03
sebsebsebiophk: I guess who cares thenNov 17 16:03
sebsebsebif it's openSUSE o the USB :dNov 17 16:03
sebsebsebor whateverNov 17 16:03
sebsebsebyou kjnow non Mageia stuff :dNov 17 16:03
iophkthat's the place for itNov 17 16:04
iophkbut give out the Mageia discs as swagNov 17 16:04
sebsebsebok  maybe slightly bad for Mint   and  Ubuntu if they get reformtted like thatNov 17 16:04
sebsebseb,but openSUSE I wouwdn't careNov 17 16:04
sebsebsebiophk: yes that's what I amgoing to try and do if it's voted out, tostll gie out Magiea dics as swagNov 17 16:04
sebsebsebwhat's the place for what above?  were you saying openSUSE should get reformatted?Nov 17 16:05
iophkyesNov 17 16:05
sebsebsebheh hheh yeah I guessNov 17 16:05
sebsebsebas for the word inflexible bingoNov 17 16:05
sebsebsebthat's  exactly what he seems to be, stubborn stuck in his ways/ideas and inflexibleNov 17 16:05
sebsebsebhis way or wel that's it reallyNov 17 16:05
iophkI think if you had worked on real paper earlier , there might have been more flexiblity Nov 17 16:06
sebsebsebwell weNov 17 16:06
iophkHard to say.  I wasn't there, obviouslyNov 17 16:06
sebsebsebwell he just did meetng notes on paperNov 17 16:06
sebsebseband put the agenda on paper for meeting,s and that was abot it reallyNov 17 16:07
iophknot meeting notes.  Idea plansNov 17 16:07
sebsebsebthen we did things via email here and there, and meetingsNov 17 16:07
sebsebsebgetting idea's out in emails didn't work so well I found though in genralNov 17 16:07
iophkOld people, especially, need things on paper. Talking does nothing.Nov 17 16:07
iophkNothing.Nov 17 16:07
sebsebseband  I also foun that the meetings didn't really have enough time tocover the ida's properly, and other htingsNov 17 16:07
sebsebsebiophk: yeah indeed the old pepole like paper Nov 17 16:07
sebsebsebin general it seemsNov 17 16:07
sebsebsebiophk: and explaining things in emal he didn't always understnd me right either etcNov 17 16:08
iophknope.  e-mail is not paper eitherNov 17 16:08
iophkit's about as big a waste as talking, to someNov 17 16:08
sebsebsebyep seems soNov 17 16:08
sebsebsebI guesNov 17 16:08
sebsebsebiophk: I felt like I coudn't reason with tis guypropery at tmesNov 17 16:09
sebsebsebI think thtat's the wrod not sure qiteNov 17 16:09
iophkright because you talked and he needed paper -- I guessNov 17 16:09
sebsebsebget my points across  right, with him understanidng etcNov 17 16:09
sebsebsebiophk: and he would crtise some of my eals toNov 17 16:09
sebsebseb,beause they weren't short enoughNov 17 16:09
sebsebsebemails aboveNov 17 16:09
sebsebsebiophk: he wants short and to the point etcNov 17 16:10
sebsebsebnot may wordsNov 17 16:10
sebsebsebiophk: I guess even if Mageia is out, this is stil a learning thing reallyNov 17 16:10
sebsebsebI haven't done this kind of thing beforeNov 17 16:10
sebsebsebiophk: you know got to twist the negatives aroudn into postives, and learn things, and move on with lieNov 17 16:11
iophkyepNov 17 16:11
sebsebseblifeNov 17 16:11
sebsebsebiophk: how old are you anyway?Nov 17 16:11
iophkfor a cabbage?Nov 17 16:11
sebsebsebhuh?Nov 17 16:11
iophkhave you told him flat out that it is important that Mageia be in?Nov 17 16:12
iophk(In short words?)Nov 17 16:12
sebsebsebnopeNov 17 16:12
iophkSooner the better...Nov 17 16:12
sebsebsebiophk: maybe it isn't so bad it not being in, I mean won't hae to worry about the reputiaot of the projectNov 17 16:13
iophkTrueNov 17 16:13
sebsebseboh  the remater may have some issue in it that, the offical won't have, even though it was just stuff from offical repo's put in itNov 17 16:13
iophkMaybe plan an installfest later.Nov 17 16:13
sebsebsebor  oh the remaster may gie the wrong impression to people what Mageia is about etcNov 17 16:13
iophkthat's what any remaster doesNov 17 16:13
sebsebsebiophk: well the whole idea o doing installs was out since how only had a efw hoursNov 17 16:13
iophkit's not the same as a stock ISONov 17 16:13
sebsebsebtrueNov 17 16:14
iophkYes but at another event with other peopleNov 17 16:14
sebsebsebiophk: esspeialy if htey start changing the grub  2 screen o it andsuchNov 17 16:14
iophkyou can pick the people firstNov 17 16:14
sebsebsebwith somestuff for hte eventNov 17 16:14
sebsebsebLUG contact detais that kind of thingNov 17 16:14
sebsebsebyes that's an idea he came up with the older guyNov 17 16:14
sebsebsebOpen Suse guy was  ike, yeah I was lookig into that, that can be doeNov 17 16:14
sebsebsebcan pick the people first forwhat?Nov 17 16:14
iophkThe installfestNov 17 16:15
sebsebsebiophk: installfest is  may e a kidof ol idea nowNov 17 16:16
sebsebsebin that senseNov 17 16:16
sebsebsebdependsNov 17 16:16
sebsebsebiophk: anyway just under 3 hour left of Sunday now in this time zoneNov 17 16:16
sebsebsebso I should do that tingNov 17 16:16
sebsebsebget it in the piratepad for you to seeNov 17 16:17
sebsebseband then off in the properd documentNov 17 16:17
iophkok good luckNov 17 16:17
iophki gotta go anywayNov 17 16:17
sebsebsebiophk: ohNov 17 16:17
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Sosumihttp://enenews.com/gundersen-fuel-racks-very-close-going-critical-unit-4-be-extraordinarily-careful-about-starting-chain-reaction-videoNov 17 16:39
TechrightsBot-trenenews.com | Gundersen: Fuel already “very close to going critical” at Unit 4 — Must be extraordinarily careful about starting chain reaction (VIDEO)  [ http://ur1.ca/g1yyp ]Nov 17 16:39
Sosumigoing to be removed today I thinkNov 17 16:39
Sosumisince it's already "today" in the land of the rising sunNov 17 16:40
Sosumihttp://fairewinds.org/podcast/remove-tepco-removing-fuelNov 17 17:01
TechrightsBot-trfairewinds.org | Remove TEPCO Before Removing Fuel | Fairewinds Energy Education  [ http://ur1.ca/g1z1h ]Nov 17 17:01
Sosumiyep, it's todayNov 17 17:01
Sosumiand it's 7am at moment in japanNov 17 17:01
Sosumiso, fingers crossed for no godzillaNov 17 17:02
Sosumibitcoin 492€Nov 17 17:35
Sosumimust get some asics and start miningNov 17 17:37
Sosumihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a30tg02JwDcNov 17 17:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs Heigh Ho Song - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g1z9l ]Nov 17 17:37
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Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-15/internet-now-weaponized-and-you-are-targetNov 17 18:27
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | The Internet Is Now Weaponized, And You Are The Target | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/g1zj5 ]Nov 17 18:27
Sosumi"Sadly, in a country in which courtesy of peak social networking, exhibitionism has become an art form, the vast majority of Americans not only could not care less about Snowden's sacrificial revelations/confirmations, but in fact are delighted the at least someone, somewhere cares about that photo of last night's dinner."Nov 17 18:29
Sosumisaid that thousands of timesNov 17 18:29
Sosumithe unwashed masses don't careNov 17 18:29
MinceRgnNov 17 18:34
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gde33|2all publicity is good publicityNov 17 20:14
Sosumihttp://fukushimaupdate.com/tepco-admits-80-spent-fuel-assemblies-had-damage-before-nuclear-accident/Nov 18 00:42
TechrightsBot-trfukushimaupdate.com | Fukushima Update | TEPCO Admits 80 Spent Fuel Assemblies Had Damage Before Nuclear Accident  [ http://ur1.ca/g20uu ]Nov 18 00:42
SosumiTEPCO, scaring the bejesus out of youNov 18 00:44
Sosumialso, 1 million PS4 sold in the north american launchNov 18 00:44
Sosumibut I wander of those how many were smashed and broken into pieces by angry not so intelligent pplNov 18 00:45
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iophkOSS can be used for bad things too : http://www.informationweek.com/agencies-widen-open-source-use--/d/d-id/899851Nov 18 02:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.informationweek.com | Agencies Widen Open-Source Use   - InformationWeek  [ http://ur1.ca/g2161 ]Nov 18 02:08
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schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/EllieAsksWhy/status/402357291237642240Nov 18 04:17
TechrightsBot-tr@EllieAsksWhy: @CiphersSon Just look at @schestowitz stream. He is not over-dramatizing. I used to think, maybe so, on identica, in 2009. Not now.Nov 18 04:17
schestowitz_log_https://twitter.com/CiphersSon/status/402353938399121408Nov 18 04:17
TechrightsBot-tr@CiphersSon: I had to choose.. "unaffiliated" because "independent" has 5 "parties" in Kansas... HA! take a side The only winning move is not to play YO!Nov 18 04:17
MinceRgeekingsNov 18 04:42
iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2307585/google-and-microsoft-to-clear-the-internet-of-depravityNov 18 06:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Google and Microsoft to clear the internet of depravity- The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/g22e8 ]Nov 18 06:20
MinceRwhat, they're retiring?Nov 18 06:21
iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/10456753/Claire-Perry-The-Government-is-in-an-arms-race-with-paedophiles-on-the-web.htmlNov 18 06:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.telegraph.co.uk | Claire Perry: The Government is in an 'arms race' with paedophiles on the web  - Telegraph  [ http://ur1.ca/g22f8 ]Nov 18 06:22
roy_The "Snowden helps pedophiles" defenceNov 18 06:36
roy_Let's give control over the Web to gov and corps...Nov 18 06:36
roy_They'll defend us fromm perverts..Nov 18 06:36
MinceRsuch as their priests?Nov 18 06:37
roy_notice the wordNov 18 06:37
roy_"arms race"Nov 18 06:37
roy_nxt thing you know they'll suggest bombing suspected kiddie pr0n downloadersNov 18 06:37
iophkIt'll be encryption as "munitions" again.Nov 18 06:54
iophklike when they tried to shut down PGPNov 18 06:57
msb__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdYNov 18 07:01
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g22oj ]Nov 18 07:01
Sosumiyay google and M$ are going to close downNov 18 09:21
Sosumibecause that's how depravity is handledNov 18 09:22
Sosumior should be handledNov 18 09:22
Sosumiat the root of evilNov 18 09:22
Sosumimeanwhile, news from fukushimaNov 18 09:22
Sosumi*nothing*Nov 18 09:22
Sosumionly that they started the removal process of the spent fuel, nothing about canisters getting stuck in the assembly due to debris nor because of mishandlingNov 18 09:23
Sosuminor about they actually breakingNov 18 09:24
Sosumiand that after that they want to disassemble unit 4, but well, they don't even know where the coreNov 18 09:25
Sosumi"baby I'm (the core) so hot that I'm about to melt throught" :PNov 18 09:26
Sosumiand that is if a big 9.0 doesn't do it faster than TEPCONov 18 09:26
Sosumiwe need a #nuclearrightsNov 18 09:27
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-18/bill-clinton-refuses-criticize-edward-snowden-says-next-president-should-be-womanNov 18 09:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Bill Clinton Refuses To Criticize Edward Snowden, Says Next President Should Be A Woman | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/g23ht ]Nov 18 09:29
Sosumiyes, Monica - Bill 2016 or wathever the date isNov 18 09:29
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roy_DaemonFC: I use your recommndationNov 18 10:01
roy_http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/fedora-20-beta/Nov 18 10:01
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Fedora 20 Reaches Beta, New Screenshots Published | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g23ni ]Nov 18 10:01
roy_Yous aid it was a problem-free distro nowNov 18 10:01
roy_Sosumi: LOLNov 18 10:02
roy_At least Clinton learned from her attack on AssangeNov 18 10:02
roy_It made her look like an IronUltraThatcherNov 18 10:02
Sosumithen she'd get rusty in timeNov 18 10:03
Sosumiand need Bill to pour some oil on that thingNov 18 10:03
SosumilolNov 18 10:03
Sosumibut I don't recollect Monica ever going full retard on Assange, only Hitlery didNov 18 10:05
msb__Fun with Nov 18 10:11
msb__ComcastNov 18 10:11
msb__I can't get email via popmail or their website.  I call them up.Nov 18 10:11
msb__Get a guy from the Phillipines who talks too fast.  First thing, he tells me to reboot my LINUX computer.Nov 18 10:12
msb__Even though both paths to email don't work.  And my net connection does work.Nov 18 10:13
msb__He does more checking and finds e-mail for the whole state of California is down, and has been for an hour already.Nov 18 10:14
msb__I look on their service outage page as instructed.  There's no mention of the outage even after it's been going on for an hour!  They don't every want to admit that there's something wrong with their system!Nov 18 10:15
SosumicrapcastNov 18 10:15
SosumiI see that kind of behaviour with Zon TvCabo here in portugalNov 18 10:15
Sosumithe mostNov 18 10:16
Sosumiand some other residencial servicesNov 18 10:16
msb__I forgot, he also tells me that the rotating blue graphic on the web email page indicates that my browser -- latest Firefox -- is incompatible.Nov 18 10:16
Sosumithe only way to actually avoid that is to get an enterprise connectionNov 18 10:16
Sosumiherp derpNov 18 10:16
msb__Might not be any better, just cost more.Nov 18 10:17
Sosumiin here it was worthedNov 18 10:17
Sosumisince I don't get any slowdownsNov 18 10:18
msb__Mail server in both East and West coast U.S. gave failure message to pop client.Nov 18 10:18
Sosumiwhile my neighboor next door doesNov 18 10:18
Sosumialso there's 24 hours support, which is handy when problems do happenNov 18 10:19
Sosumiand no outsourcingNov 18 10:19
msb__Well, I do get 24hour support, and it was prompt, it's just lousy.Nov 18 10:19
msb__I could understand the guy, once I got him to speak slower.Nov 18 10:20
Sosumibut to get a guy from the phillipines to answerNov 18 10:20
Sosumiseriously :/Nov 18 10:20
msb__But all his procedures were based on the assumption that there was something wrong with my computer.Nov 18 10:20
msb__Of course he assumed that I was using Microsoft, so maybe it's a good assumption.Nov 18 10:21
SosumiI've seen more failed osx as of late than winblowsNov 18 10:22
Sosumi:)Nov 18 10:22
Sosumiso the assumption isn't goodNov 18 10:22
msb__A friend told me two days ago that osx had just updated and now he can't access what he used to be able to -- maybe youtube.Nov 18 10:23
Sosumiwhat it sounds to me is an untrained call center operator in a geo region that isn't yoursNov 18 10:23
msb__I think he was trained fine, but his training was based on the assumption that the problem was not in comcast.  Nov 18 10:24
msb__eventually he found out that it was.Nov 18 10:24
Sosumitell him to check the plugins tab on safari, apple copied firefox on that, that you can disable/allow them at your own will individuallyNov 18 10:24
msb__Thanks, I will tell him.Nov 18 10:25
Sosumiif that doesn't work, probably he needs to update the trash player, since crApple remotly disables it if you have an out of date versionNov 18 10:25
Sosumisame thing applies to oracle javaNov 18 10:26
msb__I've found that in general, open source is more reliable than commercial sw you pay for.Nov 18 10:26
Sosumiwell ofc,Nov 18 10:26
Sosumithe code is open for everyone to auditNov 18 10:26
Sosumithus it receives fixes way more oftenNov 18 10:27
msb__And their fundamental purpose is to make it work, not to make money.Nov 18 10:27
SosumiexactlyNov 18 10:27
msb__I'm worried about Skype.  Microsoft bought it, and so they may eventually wreck it.Nov 18 10:28
MinceRit was crap to begin withNov 18 10:28
SosumiI don't use Skype although I have an account because of those guys who don't know any betterNov 18 10:29
msb__I've always found it works well, for years.Nov 18 10:29
Sosumibut it wasn't secure beforeNov 18 10:29
MinceRit was never secureNov 18 10:29
MinceRit was never trustworthyNov 18 10:29
msb__And it has both voice and text-chat.Nov 18 10:29
MinceRand it was always closedNov 18 10:29
Sosumithe FSB was know for being to eavesdrop on itNov 18 10:29
msb__That's Russia?Nov 18 10:30
Sosumiway before M$ bought it and changed the server deploymentNov 18 10:30
MinceRindeedNov 18 10:30
SosumiyeahNov 18 10:30
msb__I trust them more than I trust the US NSA.Nov 18 10:30
SosumiI trust no oneNov 18 10:31
SosumiNSA, FSB, GCHQ...Nov 18 10:31
msb__At least before Putin jailed the Pussy Riot female band for making fun of him.Nov 18 10:31
Sosumito hell with themNov 18 10:31
msb__Yeah -- psychopathy in government.Nov 18 10:31
SosumiPussy Riot got jailed because they went to an orthodox church and started trashing the thingNov 18 10:32
Sosumithey were never a band or anything at allNov 18 10:32
msb__physically trashing?Nov 18 10:32
Sosumiyeah and verballyNov 18 10:32
msb__Well still, one of them just got a message out saying she was freezing in Siberia or some such place.  Then she disappeared.Nov 18 10:33
Sosumithey were probably just a bunch of patsys co-financed by Soros and the CIA to serve as cannon fodder for some color revolutionNov 18 10:34
Sosumididn't workNov 18 10:34
msb__Could well be.Nov 18 10:34
msb__They sure made Putin look bad, like he was afraid of Pussy!Nov 18 10:34
Sosumijust because she said, doesn't mean that it's trueNov 18 10:35
Sosumibut we all know Russian prisons aren't five star hotelsNov 18 10:35
Sosumifor that, get arrested in the norgelandNov 18 10:35
msb__TV and gourmet meals?Nov 18 10:36
Sosumiso there's the benefict of the doubtNov 18 10:36
SosumiyeahNov 18 10:36
Sosumijust look at the hotel suit Anders Breivik is inNov 18 10:36
Sosumiit's hilariousNov 18 10:36
msb__And he's a crazy nazi mass murderer!  How many did he kill?Nov 18 10:37
Sosuminazi?Nov 18 10:37
Sosumiin the sense of national socialistNov 18 10:37
msb__IIRC.Nov 18 10:37
Sosuminothing to do with the shicklegruber guyNov 18 10:37
Sosumihe went to a pro palestine rally in that island up thereNov 18 10:38
Sosumiand start gunning down pplNov 18 10:38
msb__"far-right militant ideology" -- wiki pediaNov 18 10:39
msb__killed 77 people!Nov 18 10:39
Sosumibut then again, no one helped more the zionist cause than Schicklegruber's gernamnyNov 18 10:39
msb__But it was fascist, not socialist.Nov 18 10:40
msb__"national socialist" was just false advertisingNov 18 10:40
Sosumisocialism/populism, etc. is just a coverNov 18 10:41
msb__Hitler was 75% financed by U.S. capitalists, to kill off the socialists and labor organizers of Europe.Nov 18 10:41
Sosumifor the unwashed masses to swallowNov 18 10:41
Sosumiin reality it's top notch fascismNov 18 10:41
msb__Not real democratic socialism.Nov 18 10:42
Sosumiactually, hitler was put in there by britainNov 18 10:42
msb__And by the US.Nov 18 10:42
Sosumithe US oligarchs then felt in love and start bankrolling him tooNov 18 10:42
Sosumieventually the British believed he'd turn again't russia in order to break itNov 18 10:43
msb__http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_NazisNov 18 10:43
TechrightsBot-trcosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneNov 18 10:43
Sosumibut he turned west before he went eastNov 18 10:43
msb__also  http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_HolocaustNov 18 10:45
TechrightsBot-trcosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone  [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ]Nov 18 10:45
msb__U.S. foreign policy is based on one single principle -- mass murder for profit.Nov 18 10:46
msb__Has been for more than a hundred years.Nov 18 10:47
Sosumiwhat about britain? before the US took overNov 18 10:47
msb__Sure!Nov 18 10:47
msb__The sun never sets...Nov 18 10:48
iophkhttp://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-sailfish-os-phone-november-27-release/Nov 18 10:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.digitaltrends.com | Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 | Digital Trends  [ http://ur1.ca/g23w8 ]Nov 18 10:48
Sosumiopium wars with china, the pink region map and the ultimatum against portugalNov 18 10:48
msb__That's my website.  I feel lucky to still be alive.Nov 18 10:48
Sosumiand I could go onNov 18 10:48
Sosumicolonial spain the same thing, Nov 18 10:49
msb__What did they do to Portugal?Nov 18 10:49
Sosumihttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_MapNov 18 10:50
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Pink Map - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 18 10:50
Sosumiit was about the claim of sovereighty of territories in between Angola and MoçambiqueNov 18 10:51
Sosumidid I forget to mention napolionic france?Nov 18 10:51
Sosumihow many times did the frenchies try to take portugalNov 18 10:51
Sosumithree and failedNov 18 10:52
Sosumifrenchies...Nov 18 10:52
msb__France still not loved in portugal, eh?Nov 18 10:53
roy_https://twitter.com/candtalan/status/402461263256514560Nov 18 10:53
TechrightsBot-tr@candtalan: @PeoplesVoice_TV Consider Richard Stallman: Free software Foundation @schestowitzNov 18 10:53
Sosumithe common portuguese tends to be dumbNov 18 10:54
Sosumicome on, ppl in here are still fascinated about ObozoNov 18 10:54
roy_whoo's that?Nov 18 10:54
SosumiObamaNov 18 10:54
msb__ObomberNov 18 10:54
roy_I have several portuguese friends who say the sanNov 18 10:54
roy_*sameNov 18 10:55
roy_They live in the UK nowNov 18 10:55
roy_portugal only for vacation now, they say people there are moserable nowNov 18 10:55
roy_[15:53] <msb__> France still not loved in portugal, eh?Nov 18 10:55
roy_Is Francr loved *anywhere*?Nov 18 10:55
roy_maybe tolerated in some places, not lovedNov 18 10:56
Sosumiprobably in Iran and SyriaNov 18 10:56
msb__Wine and cheese lovers...Nov 18 10:56
Sosumiby Al-QaedaNov 18 10:56
msb__So what's up with Stallman?Nov 18 10:56
Sosumisince they've been shipping weapons to those guysNov 18 10:56
msb__So has the U.S.Nov 18 10:57
Sosumiand germany, and the UKNov 18 10:57
Sosumiand TurkeyNov 18 10:58
Sosumiand IsrahellNov 18 10:58
Sosumiand the GCC countriesNov 18 10:58
Sosumithey all form the Axis Of EvilNov 18 10:58
msb__Yeah, Israhell loves Muslims if they're super-evil.Nov 18 10:58
msb__At least GCC puts out a good compiler.Nov 18 10:59
SosumiIsrahell actually wants to team up with the KSA and attack IranNov 18 10:59
SosumiLOLNov 18 10:59
Sosumiit was GCC as in Golf Cooperation CouncilNov 18 11:00
msb__Gulf?Nov 18 11:00
Sosumior that :PNov 18 11:00
msb__Persian Gulf, probably.Nov 18 11:01
Sosumiit'd be awesome if all they did was play golfNov 18 11:01
Sosumithat means they wouldn't cause much troubleNov 18 11:02
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roy_http://parelastic.com/blog/oracle-axes-support-glassfish-mysql-users-might-want-pay-attentionNov 18 11:12
TechrightsBot-trparelastic.com | As Oracle axes support for GlassFish, MySQL users might want to pay attention | ParElastic  [ http://ur1.ca/g2400 ]Nov 18 11:12
msb__http://disinfo.com/2012/04/planthuman-symbiosis-and-the-fall-of-humanity-interview-with-tony-wright/Nov 18 11:17
TechrightsBot-trdisinfo.com | Plant/Human Symbiosis and the Fall of Humanity: Interview With Tony Wright - disinformation  [ http://ur1.ca/g241t ]Nov 18 11:17
msb__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5yXK2n82lgNov 18 11:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | 'An investigation into the evolution of the human brain'   by Tony Wright - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g241y ]Nov 18 11:18
msb__Very interesting stuff!Nov 18 11:18
msb__He thinks all humans are brain-damaged because diet no longer contains lots of fruit flavonoids which have profound epigenetic effects.Nov 18 11:19
msb__Thus causing left-brain dominance and mass psychopathy.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKqs7GJ0jdYNov 18 11:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Psychopathy in Politics and Finance - Stefan Verstappen on GRTV - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g22oj ]Nov 18 11:21
msb__But I don't think Wright knows about Verstappen.  I'll have to tell him.Nov 18 11:22
msb__I made a live table of contents for Wright's book using pdfmod.  I'm helping to save the world!Nov 18 11:23
iophkleft-brain, right-brain has been debunked ages ago.  Yes, some functionality is localized but not in the left-brain, right-brain myth popularized in pop sci / pseudo sci decades ago.Nov 18 11:24
msb__http://leftinthedark.org.uk/sites/default/files/Left%20in%20the%20Dark%20free%20edition.pdfNov 18 11:25
msb__free copy of 2nd edition.  It's up to 3rd for about $10.Nov 18 11:25
msb__Not a myth!  Look at the book.Nov 18 11:26
iophkMyth.  Look at the medical texts and medical courses.Nov 18 11:26
iophkSome functionality is on one side or another, especially in men, but it is not general analytic vs art or whatever.Nov 18 11:27
msb__The same ones that teach doctors that vitamin C doesn't kill viral infections?Nov 18 11:27
iophkNoNov 18 11:27
iophkThe ones on neuropsychology and such.Nov 18 11:27
msb__Wright has lots of references in his book.Nov 18 11:27
iophkDepends on the quality of the referencesNov 18 11:28
iophkIf you are near a good university with a library then you can look up a random sample and verify.Nov 18 11:28
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roy_sounds lik Pentagon propaganda: http://gizmodo.com/the-cia-is-trying-to-stop-russia-building-monitoring-st-1466555409Nov 18 12:17
TechrightsBot-trgizmodo.com | The CIA Is Trying to Stop Russia Building Monitoring Stations in the US  [ http://ur1.ca/g24gg ]Nov 18 12:17
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/402489062834966528Nov 18 12:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: #nsa does not serve US interests, it is just destroying the country politically & commercially http://t.co/4BZC907Z1l http://t.co/PHYd5kAJnpNov 18 12:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.ibtimes.co.uk | NSA Spying Scandal Dents US Business Prospects in China - IBTimes UKNov 18 12:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.japantimes.co.jp | NSA spying accomplishes little beyond alienating allies | The Japan TimesNov 18 12:51
roy_https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/402492753130840064Nov 18 12:51
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz culturally tooNov 18 12:51
DaemonFCIt doesn't surprise me that Walmart is holding a food drive so that its employees can have a Thanksgiving dinner.Nov 18 13:13
DaemonFCActually, yes it does. Hundreds of thousands of Walmart employees are working on Thanksgiving (for $8-9 an hour, and being threatened with termination if they call in sick) and will be unable to prepare or attend a Thanksgiving dinner anyway, so the food drive won't help many of them anyway.Nov 18 13:13
DaemonFCThis reminds me of when I worked there, and most people either had no health insurance, or couldn't afford to use it because the deductible was $1,000. So, whenever a co-worker became sick, management would pass around a collection dish to collect money from other employees, to help that person with their medical bills.Nov 18 13:13
DaemonFCThe biggest problem with that was that none of us had any money either.Nov 18 13:13
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3301403Nov 18 13:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA Asked Linus Torvalds To Install Backdoors Into GNU/Linux http://falkvinge.net/2013/11/17/nsa-asked-linus-torvalds-to-install-backdoors-into-gnulinux/ who has the last laugh? RMS.Nov 18 13:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> falkvinge.net | NSA Asked Linus Torvalds To Install Backdoors Into GNU/Linux - Falkvinge on Infopolicy  [ http://ur1.ca/g1wno ]Nov 18 13:13
schestowitz"Hmm so adapted Mesh Wifi network. Not sure if this is a good answer to the problem. Let's see how they make progress :)"Nov 18 13:13
schestowitz"Nov 18 13:13
schestowitzI doubt that Torvalds went for it. As the article points out, since the code is publicly available, and subject to wide scrutiny, it is unlikely that Torvalds could get away with introducing a back door even if he chose to. And that the NSA even approached him to do so suggests that their understanding of security is weak.Nov 18 13:14
schestowitzSo I wouldn't adopt a mesh wifi network on the basis of this story, but rather the stories that the NSA and GCHQ are tapping into the Internet at backbone-level links.Nov 18 13:14
schestowitzThe trouble with mesh will, for a long time yet to come, be with utility. If it retains a connection to the Internet as it now exists, then it may bring an entire community under suspicion for the actions of a few or even of the one. If it severs that link, it loses access to many resources (which I, for one, could not now do without).Nov 18 13:14
schestowitz"Nov 18 13:14
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3301343Nov 18 13:14
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Writing negative things about the #nsa has become too easy since June (I had done this for years). It's news when they *obey* the law. #ciaNov 18 13:14
schestowitz"They obey lots of laws. Usually the ones they've had written, but hey it's a start, I guess..."Nov 18 13:14
schestowitz"Or more precisely, they obey laws according to their own interpretations, and according to a case law (FISA court) developed in secret in non-adversarial proceedings. Then, I think they break the law for fun. After all, keeping secrets is supposed to be their specialty. How, really, and this is the question I ask about any reform, can rules be enforced?"Nov 18 13:14
schestowitzSecret law is not a law, it's like a law of the jungle.Nov 18 13:15
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sebsebseb Nov 18 13:16
sebsebsebiophk: got to do proosals again,  specifi way a few hours etc leftNov 18 13:19
iophksebsebseb: I thought you did them yesterday Nov 18 13:19
sebsebseboh and meeting wil change day and crash with my other thing now,  may be better this way though, seems I got to make new remasters myself  probably to etcNov 18 13:19
sebsebsebiophk: I did, but he didn't likeNov 18 13:19
sebsebsebthey weren't specific eough what I putNov 18 13:20
sebsebsebiophk: for example I have to mention openSUSE  Nov 18 13:20
iophkschestowitz: mesh would work great with Usenet (nntp) but the powers that be dislike very much anything so decentralized.Nov 18 13:20
sebsebsebin that proposalNov 18 13:20
iophkwhy does he get to decide o nthe distros by himself?Nov 18 13:21
sebsebsebor some other distro, but yeah I'll do openSUSE for thatNov 18 13:22
sebsebsebhe doesn'tNov 18 13:22
sebsebsebiophk: I can put PUppy LInux in as it's own proposal if I want toNov 18 13:22
sebsebsebiophk: I could suggest Kubuntu as the other KDE distro for example, but  I don't think anyone else wants that really soNov 18 13:23
sebsebsebiophk: openSUSE for KDENov 18 13:24
sebsebsebmaybe Magiea toNov 18 13:24
sebsebseband yeah been through this all ready loads of timesNov 18 13:24
sebsebsebiophk: I just need to do very specific propoals in his wayNov 18 13:24
sebsebsebor  they don't get acceptedNov 18 13:24
sebsebsebhe has suggestedhow I put in my propsals as well thoughNov 18 13:25
sebsebsebiophk: hmm I think I would rather be with average people on Thursday, than with geeks realyNov 18 13:25
sebsebsebiophk: at my new groupNov 18 13:25
sebsebseb,but now he wants it  on Thursday,so he can orgaise propoals, and try and get the guy who's curretlly in California to comment on it toNov 18 13:26
sebsebsebiophk: anyway proposals and  heopfuolly ok this time roundNov 18 13:26
sebsebsebon the verge of doing it yet againNov 18 13:26
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sebsebseband yeahNov 18 13:26
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sebsebsebiophk: not what lat thing you got fro me wasNov 18 13:54
sebsebsebnot sure what last thing aboveNov 18 13:54
iophkabout 20 minutes agoNov 18 13:54
iophkthe connection came back thenNov 18 13:55
sebsebsebiophk: well I guess I got some extra time to make new remasters thenNov 18 13:55
sebsebsebseems I got to probably got to make myself, even the guy said he wouldNov 18 13:55
sebsebsebeven thoughNov 18 13:55
iophkdid you figure out the method for making your remasters?Nov 18 13:55
sebsebsebiophk: ,but right five hours 5 minutes for proposals now hNov 18 13:55
sebsebsebuhNov 18 13:56
sebsebsebthe other way to do it sure remastersNov 18 13:56
sebsebsebiophk: I think Thursday it's can't be in two places at onceNov 18 13:57
sebsebsebiophk: I'll propse Puppy, but if it's in, hopefly the Mint or Ubuntu guy will make that one, if I can't easilly remasterdNov 18 13:58
sebsebsebit's Ubuntu basedNov 18 13:58
iophkI thought it was more Ubuntu-compatible, Debian-compatible than based on either one.  It's hard to find info.Nov 18 14:03
sebsebsebiophk: one of them or whatever is bsed on buntuNov 18 14:04
sebsebsebsays on siteNov 18 14:04
sebsebsebon the LTSNov 18 14:04
sebsebsebiophk: nice distro, I think I would personally trust that,  or a slightly remastered puppy,  than whatever the OpenSUSE guy wants to make himself for the cut downNov 18 14:04
sebsebsebtrust that moreNov 18 14:05
iophkyepNov 18 14:05
sebsebsebPuppy Linux is wel known to be a  good distro for old computersNov 18 14:05
iophkit isNov 18 14:05
sebsebsebuh running out of time for proposals I feelNov 18 14:05
sebsebsebok  jut under five hours, but stillNov 18 14:05
sebsebsebiophk: if I folow all hs comments from the email I got, I guess I  should be ok :Nov 18 14:06
sebsebseb:)Nov 18 14:06
iophkmaybe give IRC a rest until the proposal is doneNov 18 14:06
sebsebsebiophk: just  a document eidt I ThinkNov 18 14:06
sebsebseblik he said and  yeahNov 18 14:06
sebsebseb,but if it's wrong and I send off early enough, might get another email saing something soNov 18 14:07
Sosumisebsebseb, was mageia replaced with openklutz?Nov 18 14:08
sebsebsebSosumi: it's lookng like it probably will be for KDE yeahNov 18 14:09
sebsebsebunfortunatllyNov 18 14:09
Sosumi:(Nov 18 14:09
sebsebseband that Mageia may be out complety  if GNOME 3 isn't in which it looks like may be the case toNov 18 14:09
Sosumignome 3 is trash, but yeah, publicity to the distro would have been goodNov 18 14:10
sebsebsebSosumi: GNOME 3 I like it, and Mageia deserves to be in more than openSUSENov 18 14:11
sebsebsebaltough it's got contorl centre like stuff to, which could be good for someone bran new for LInuxNov 18 14:11
sebsebsebony way I can justifiy propsoig opensuses as the  other distro  for KDE in one of my propalsNov 18 14:12
sebsebsebI mean I have to prpose something, and it also seems that's what people want soNov 18 14:12
Sosumibut wait, you like gnome 3? :ONov 18 14:13
SosumiI've tried gnome 3 back in fedora 16Nov 18 14:13
Sosumiand it was abysmalNov 18 14:13
sebsebsebSosumi: it's  the new type of interfaceNov 18 14:15
sebsebsebcertain thigs I don't like aout GNOME 3Nov 18 14:15
sebsebseb,but GNOME Shell I likeNov 18 14:15
SosumiI seeNov 18 14:19
iophkhttp://www.usatoday.com/story/cybertruth/2013/11/13/snowden-effect-young-people-now-care-about-privacy/3517919/Nov 18 15:18
TechrightsBot-trwww.usatoday.com | Snowden effect: young people now care about privacy  [ http://ur1.ca/g25ew ]Nov 18 15:18
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/supreme-court-declines-to-staNov 18 15:18
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | November | 2013 | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g0fwh ]Nov 18 15:18
iophkhttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-court-intelligence-20131118,0,7821882.storyNov 18 15:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.chicagotribune.com | U.S. justices won't review intelligence court action on phone records - chicagotribune.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g25f6 ]Nov 18 15:19
Sosumiyoung ppl only care about privacy when it comes about hiding things from their parentsNov 18 15:39
sebsebsebiophk: proposlas sent a ittle while agoNov 18 15:51
iophkexcellentNov 18 15:51
sebsebsebiophk: hopefully alll ok nowNov 18 15:51
sebsebsebiophk: I am proposing OpenSUSE to go with Mageia in some of the thoughNov 18 15:52
sebsebseb,but got to play the game etcNov 18 15:52
sebsebsebthey want openSUSE soNov 18 15:52
sebsebsebproposed puppy as well as a cut down distro and suchNov 18 15:52
iophkI guess EPIC should have gone through the lower  courts first.Nov 18 16:04
iophkseNov 18 16:04
iophksebsebseb: did you get Mageia on the list?Nov 18 16:04
sebsebsebiophk: sure in a few proposalsNov 18 16:07
iophkgreatNov 18 16:07
sebsebsebiophk: rather be socialising with average people on Thurday thoughNov 18 16:07
sebsebsebiophk: ,but now the meeting wll be then instead hmmNov 18 16:07
sebsebsebjust reoleid about that Nov 18 16:08
sebsebsebanyway  gives more time for remasters so not to bad realyNov 18 16:08
sebsebsebiophk: still it's unforutnate it crahses wth the other thing though reallyNov 18 16:08
sebsebsebiophk: no reply yet about proposls hpefull all ok this  timeNov 18 16:09
sebsebsebiophk: foodt ime for me thenNov 18 16:10
sebsebsebther's smething waiting :dNov 18 16:10
iophkokNov 18 16:11
sebsebsebiophk: oh I know what I cold do tommorowNov 18 16:11
sebsebsebthat's a point :dNov 18 16:11
sebsebsebjono 's video thing :dNov 18 16:11
sebsebsebassuing it's onNov 18 16:11
iophkdidn't he say he moved it from Tuesdays?Nov 18 16:11
sebsebsebno he moved it to TuesdayNov 18 16:12
iophkohNov 18 16:12
iophkthen give it a tryNov 18 16:12
sebsebsebI was thinking last week how I Would be misisng it since that meting, but I guess not then if it's on tommorow that isNov 18 16:12
sebsebsebiophk: oh  I used to go to them quite a lot before and stil willNov 18 16:12
sebsebsebtry to go to them it's fun Nov 18 16:12
sebsebsebiophk: Q&A session with a load of Ubuntu fans and suchNov 18 16:12
sebsebsebon his web cam Nov 18 16:13
iophkSIP?Nov 18 16:13
sebsebsebnopeNov 18 16:13
sebsebsebGoogle thigeyNov 18 16:13
sebsebsebGoogle hang outsNov 18 16:13
sebsebsebbefore that ustreamNov 18 16:13
iophkOh.  I'm trying to wean myself from Google.Nov 18 16:13
sebsebsebyep some doNov 18 16:13
sebsebseb,but bye bye Android devices to then reallyNov 18 16:14
sebsebsebthat's GoogleNov 18 16:14
iophkThere's coming mixed messages from Google on open these days.Nov 18 16:14
iophkhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57612742-93/google-drive-for-linux-patience-patience../Nov 18 16:14
sebsebsebiophk: ah well I get to have a meal  in  just under two weeks with those Thursday people anyway :dNov 18 16:14
sebsebsebiophk: yeah a Christmas dinnerNov 18 16:14
TechrightsBot-trnews.cnet.com | Google Drive for Linux? Patience, patience... | Internet & Media - CNET News  [ http://ur1.ca/g25oo ]Nov 18 16:14
iophkChristmas beerNov 18 16:15
sebsebsebwel wie it seems for this one actsuallyNov 18 16:15
sebsebsebwine aboeNov 18 16:15
sebsebseb,but I gues other drinks are availalbe toNov 18 16:15
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3301809Nov 18 16:15
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The US DHS wants to treat people like cattle http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/privacy/privacy_advcom_rpt_rfid_draft.pdf why not ask IBM for help? They helped Hitler.Nov 18 16:15
sebsebsebiophk: it will be annoying to go on Thursday, and have Magiea voted out compltyNov 18 16:15
sebsebsebiophk: ,but that may be it's fate, as I am expecting, so hmmNov 18 16:15
sebsebsebI mean missing somethignNov 18 16:16
sebsebsebgoing to that meetingNov 18 16:16
schestowitz"Nov 18 16:16
schestowitzI remember hearing something about that, as well. I'd have to track it down and I don't have time for that at the moment. I can point to this:Nov 18 16:16
sebsebseband having it voted outNov 18 16:16
schestowitzGeorge Seldes, 1000 Americans: The Real Rulers of the U.S.A. (New York: Boni and Gaer, 1948; Joshua Tree, CA: Progressive, 2009).Nov 18 16:16
schestowitzNotice the original publication date. Well-founded allegations of U.S. corporate complicity with the Nazi regime are nothing new. I just don't remember whether IBM was among the companies he lists.Nov 18 16:16
schestowitzAs to the rest of this, I am no longer in possession of histories of the Nazi regime. So now I see articles such as this:Nov 18 16:16
schestowitzKlaus Wiegrefe, "75 Years Later: How the World Shrugged Off Kristallnacht," trans. Christopher Sultan, Spiegel, November 5, 2013, http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/berlin-exhibit-gathers-1938-diplomatic-accounts-of-nazi-kristallnacht-a-931733.htmlNov 18 16:16
schestowitzand I simply don't have at hand the means to track down when the Jewish exodus began, when shiploads of fleeing Jews were turned away from U.S. shores, and other lovely little tidbits, that paint a rather unflattering picture of how the world reacted to the plight of Jews, let alone when Jews could or should have known that they were in profound peril.Nov 18 16:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.spiegel.de | Berlin Exhibit Gathers 1938 Diplomatic Accounts of Nazi Kristallnacht - SPIEGEL ONLINE  [ http://ur1.ca/g25p0 ]Nov 18 16:16
schestowitz"Nov 18 16:16
sebsebsebyay the schestowitz spam :dNov 18 16:16
iophkGive it a try anyway.  Nov 18 16:16
sebsebsebiophk: yep indeedNov 18 16:16
sebsebsebI am not just going to give upNov 18 16:16
sebsebseb,but may gt votedo ut on TUesdayNov 18 16:16
sebsebsebiophk: plus he wants the guy who's gone to USA To look at the proposalsNov 18 16:17
sebsebsebI gues to propse somethin really Nov 18 16:17
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3301343Nov 18 16:18
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Writing negative things about the #nsa has become too easy since June (I had done this for years). It's news when they *obey* the law. #ciaNov 18 16:18
schestowitzYes, I'm failing at the moment to find the article that absolutely shredded this. As I recall, the point was that the rule of law applies to all, that this necessarily entails public accountability, and that if laws are not public, than the latter accountability cannot occur.Nov 18 16:18
schestowitzBut the U.S. stopped being a nation governed by the rule of law many decades ago:Nov 18 16:18
schestowitzJeffrey Reiman, The Rich Get Richer and the Poor Get Prison, 7th ed. (Boston: Allyn and Bacon, 2004).Nov 18 16:18
schestowitzAnd the result is the powerful who make laws and impose them on the rest of us are largely immune to them.Nov 18 16:18
schestowitz"Nov 18 16:18
iophk"Google doesn't "have anything new to share at this time in terms of timing." "Nov 18 16:18
schestowitzThe claims are counter-intuitive until you get around to breaking down the notion of law, consistency, the possibility of changing the law, etc. Laws can be arbitrary.Nov 18 16:18
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iophkhttp://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304439804579205740125297358Nov 19 02:05
TechrightsBot-tronline.wsj.com | Authorities See Benefit of Bitcoin - WSJ.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g28ah ]Nov 19 02:05
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306168Nov 19 03:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Android ROMs, the easy way: Testing the new #CyanogenMod Installer http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/android-roms-the-easy-way-testing-the-new-cyanogenmod-installer/ #linux #phonesNov 19 03:20
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | Android ROMs, the easy way: Testing the new CyanogenMod Installer | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g28l7 ]Nov 19 03:20
schestowitz"After all the phone communication checkboxes are on, the next step is to go to "get.cm" (that's a Web address) on a real computer and download the CyanogenMod Installer Windows app What's wrong with this picture?"Nov 19 03:20
schestowitz"The old instructions look easier. http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/InstallCMfor_maguro"Nov 19 03:20
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schestowitziophk: sharedNov 19 03:23
schestowitziophk: RMS interviews all done, 4 more to publish, meeting him againt on the 29th in LincolnNov 19 03:23
schestowitzNear manchesterNov 19 03:23
iophkCool.Nov 19 03:23
schestowitzmaybe I'll make more vids, but I have siome private things to doNov 19 03:23
schestowitzand I don't want to overencumber him with filmingNov 19 03:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306287Nov 19 03:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Booting #linux and #android on the same computer with a simple menu http://liliputing.com/2013/11/linuxium-bootloader-helps-you-boot-linux-android-on-rk3188-mini-pcs.htmlNov 19 03:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> liliputing.com | Linuxium bootloader helps you boot Linux, Android on RK3188 mini PCs - Liliputing  [ http://ur1.ca/g28lo ]Nov 19 03:24
schestowitz"Seems to require Windows. I hate software like that."Nov 19 03:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307265Nov 19 03:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FBI Stops Responding To The Most Prolific FOIA Filer, Because He Might Actually Learn Something http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131118/01542825271/fbi-stops-responding-to-most-prolific-foia-filer-because-he-might-actually-learn-something.shtml #fbuNov 19 03:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techdirt.com | FBI Stops Responding To The Most Prolific FOIA Filer, Because He Might Actually Learn Something | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/g28lq ]Nov 19 03:24
schestowitz"Pure gold. How exactly can the FBI justify not fulfilling valid FOIA requests?"Nov 19 03:24
iophkI read a comment else where about some of the older hardware (CPU) patents expiring.Nov 19 03:24
schestowitzThey're the FBI, they can do whatever the Hell they want, even give bombs to people as part of sting op (aka creating public panic). FOIA is just for PR/public trust.Nov 19 03:25
iophkAre the old CPUs just junk at this point?Nov 19 03:25
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307530Nov 19 03:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Capitalism and Unemployment  http://truth-out.org/news/item/20015-capitalism-and-unemployment "manage unemployment by reducing everyone's work week by 7.5 per cent"Nov 19 03:26
schestowitz"For the longest time polls have shown working people wanting to work fewer hours and non-working people wanting to work. The solution would seem simple. The trouble is that capitalism is largely geared towards efficiency of capital generation at any cost. Unfortunately, it's just more efficient to have fewer people performing the one job (up to a point) regardless of the human cost (such as unemployment). Don't take this as me saying Nov 19 03:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> truth-out.org | Capitalism and Unemployment  [ http://ur1.ca/g28m4 ]Nov 19 03:26
schestowitzit's right or moral. It isn't. It's me pointing out a deeper flaw in the system and the reason why, despite the simplicity of the solution, it won't be adopted."Nov 19 03:26
schestowitziophk: perhaps Nov 19 03:26
schestowitzI still use almost all my CPUsNov 19 03:26
schestowitzexcept in one laptop where the mobo is problematicNov 19 03:27
schestowitzand the CPU is 400 megehertzNov 19 03:27
schestowitzlaptop from the 90sNov 19 03:27
schestowitzCompaqNov 19 03:27
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306032Nov 19 03:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-sailfish-os-phone-november-27-release/ #jolla #linux #nokia #meegoNov 19 03:28
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.digitaltrends.com | Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 | Digital Trends  [ http://ur1.ca/g23w8 ]Nov 19 03:28
schestowitz"Looks nice, but isn't the gui proprietary?"Nov 19 03:28
schestowitz"They specifically didn't comment on what they want to do with the GUI and core applications licenses. So we'll have to wait until 27th to actually figure out what's going on."Nov 19 03:28
schestowitzI don't think it's the GUI that's proprietaryNov 19 03:28
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309014Nov 19 04:32
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schestowitz"That`s a Bobby .... know this ..."Nov 19 04:32
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309014Nov 19 04:33
schestowitz"just found this -- There were 21 individuals shot dead by armed police officers in the UK in the last 10 years. There were 25 individuals shot dead in the US in MARCH 2013 alone. Yes, you read it correctly. More people shot dead in the US by police in 1 month alone than all those shot by the police in the UK in ten years. The total for the US so far this year (to the end of March) is 85 individuals shot dead. If this represents the Nov 19 04:33
schestowitzaverage for the US for the last 10 years then 3600 people have been killed, about 144 times as many as the UK. 7 months ago"Nov 19 04:33
schestowitzIt's known that it's a bad idea to mess about with US police forces, whereas in the UK you can troll them a bit and get away with it.Nov 19 04:33
schestowitz"and the terrorists are prob agency patsy's ,mind controlled assassins,just o keep the sheep in line by creating fear - the war is on the earth/ terra firma and all of her inhabitants"Nov 19 04:34
schestowitzan MEP just started following me in Twitter...Nov 19 04:35
iophkcoolNov 19 04:36
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-and-riaa-urge-government-to-keep-high-fines-for-copyright-infringers-131118/Nov 19 04:40
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309014Nov 19 04:50
schestowitz"And don't forget the number of unreported / undetected cases or was swept under the mat!!!! The dark number is much higher!"Nov 19 04:51
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309262Nov 19 04:51
schestowitz"Real similar to what's going on here in Holland."Nov 19 04:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A society which drives people into debt (mortgage, student debt, etc.) puts everyone at brink of bankruptcy, discourages dissent/activismNov 19 04:51
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__martin__"I personally talked to the legal dept. at Canonical (for other reasons, they’re telling us we need a license to use their binary packages) and it is clear they are confused about LMDE and Mint." - Clement Nov 19 06:04
__martin__fucking license for what?! Trisquel GNU/Linux is now illegal as well or.. better one.. all are criminals and terrorists xDNov 19 06:04
__martin__press distortion also, soon gnu will be a banned search term lmaoNov 19 06:08
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MinceRinterestingNov 19 06:42
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iophkhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/19/court-order-that-allowed-nsa-surveillance-is-revealed-for-first-timeNov 19 07:06
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iophkhttps://topromotetheprogress.wordpress.com/Nov 19 07:44
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sebsebsebiophk: whoops may have messed this upNov 19 09:48
sebsebsebiophk: now I need votes for 4 distro's or all my propsals are out basiclyNov 19 09:48
iophkohNov 19 09:48
sebsebsebiophk: yeah the stress of  the document editing resulted in thatNov 19 09:49
sebsebsebiophk: was thinking of ptting in 3 last night late, but didntNov 19 09:50
sebsebsebthen wasn't on arlier Nov 19 09:50
sebsebseband uhNov 19 09:50
sebsebsebiophk: he still thinks he can propose GNOME2 though, if GNOME is agreedNov 19 09:51
sebsebsebwhen none of the distro's have GNOME 2Nov 19 09:51
sebsebsebiophk: and to my Mate one it's like to be deletd, snce no proposals for MateNov 19 09:51
iophkAs you said, he probably meant MateNov 19 09:51
sebsebsebI am not so sure nowNov 19 09:51
sebsebsebiophk: I guess by stressing out about things I have made it a thre distro event like I saidNov 19 09:52
sebsebsebunless I can win them over to the idea of fourNov 19 09:52
sebsebseband then four interfaces like I wantedNov 19 09:52
iophkyeah and the informal negotiation take place long before the formal onesNov 19 09:53
iophkand often the formal ones are just for showNov 19 09:53
sebsebsebwhat do you mean?Nov 19 09:53
sebsebseball the informal talk way beore the formal stuf about the tech stuf indeedNov 19 09:53
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sebsebsebiophk: this is a proper ote thingNov 19 09:53
sebsebsebif this proposal is agreed, then those are out etcNov 19 09:53
sebsebsebthis is a proper proposal thingNov 19 09:54
sebsebseband he's put it in a nice table and such, and said I had untill 11am to edit it stll, but  wasn't on the computer then and eahNov 19 09:54
sebsebsebiophk: indeed it's been done backwards realyNov 19 09:54
sebsebsebthree months of informal discussion  or whatever, and then the formal stuff  to do with the techs tuffNov 19 09:54
sebsebsebiophk: I have a chance at apparatly runnig that meeting myself, if I prvice an agenda and such though going by his emailNov 19 09:55
iophksounds goodNov 19 09:55
iophkif it will helpNov 19 09:55
sebsebsebiophk: no I think that was like a well he put this:Nov 19 09:56
sebsebsebIf you wish to run the meeting another way then please let me have your Agenda, Proposal List and Notes before midday on Thursday and we can vote on them before we start, in that case I will not Chair the meeting. Nov 19 09:56
sebsebsebiophk: also meant to do  a vote on who gets the casting voteNov 19 09:56
sebsebsebI think in email, but not sure quiteNov 19 09:56
sebsebsebiophk: I want myself to get the casting voteNov 19 09:57
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sebsebsebiophk: I been thinking, they want to re brand Grub 2Nov 19 09:57
sebsebsebor GrubNov 19 09:57
sebsebsebsome sort of event theme uhmm rightNov 19 09:57
sebsebsebwell he doesNov 19 09:57
sebsebsebthen I gues they may want to change the default distro bakground to one as wellNov 19 09:58
sebsebsebmaybe the log in screen, and ksplash if I suggest that, once out voted probably hmNov 19 09:58
sebsebsebiophk: and then it's just a interface really, and distro stuff, but doesn't look like the distro itselfNov 19 09:58
sebsebsebthe default theme is  part of it,  it's  the like first thing people seeNov 19 09:59
sebsebsebthey can re design Plytmouth like that to for al I careNov 19 09:59
iophkyeah it's too changed and can't really still be called by its original nameNov 19 09:59
sebsebsebiophk: I am just thinkng I don't think really want Mageia re designed like thatNov 19 09:59
sebsebsebso in that case if that's what's goign to get suggested more,  maybe it's good to be out votedNov 19 09:59
sebsebsebiophk: Ubuntu looks horrible  anyway since 10.04,  the purple/abugine theme etc, sorry jono ,but that's what I think :dNov 19 10:00
jonosebsebseb, okNov 19 10:00
sebsebsebLinux Mint isn't muchbetter,  they  don't even bother re desiging the wall paper prperly nowNov 19 10:00
jonofair enoughNov 19 10:00
sebsebsebthey just put a number on itNov 19 10:00
sebsebsebjono: at least Unity is probaby in for the event I am organignig though by  the way,  probably more so that I have  not done the proposals quite right, but I Was suggesting Unity myself by the wayNov 19 10:01
sebsebsebiophk: and Open SUSE loooks whateverNov 19 10:01
sebsebsebiophk: ,but yeah I think re branding,  the grub theme, then probaby the default background, and possibly the PLymouth and ksplash after that as wel,  I think that's going a bit farNov 19 10:02
iophkwasted effortNov 19 10:02
sebsebseb,but I have a feelng they may want to do that or himNov 19 10:02
iophkand a chance for things to breakNov 19 10:02
sebsebsebhe wanted Grub 2 to change  have some knd of event theme, so  the backgorund and such to, that woudn't suprise meNov 19 10:03
sebsebsebiophk: event hteme with info for the LUG etcNov 19 10:03
sebsebsebI can understand why may want to do that, but  if re themeing it all realy it's going a bit far in a wyaNov 19 10:04
sebsebsebiophk: ,but I don't really care much if its done for the other ditrosNov 19 10:04
sebsebsebiophk: I was thinking I should vounteer for the feedback form, with questionsNov 19 10:04
sebsebsebdid we prvodie enughoptions do you think?Nov 19 10:05
sebsebsebwould you have been happy to see something else as well?Nov 19 10:05
sebsebsebetc etcNov 19 10:05
sebsebsebwell would have to agree questions a group I gues, but that's what I have in mind :dNov 19 10:05
sebsebsebiophk: it's how you find out what people really thinkNov 19 10:05
iophkyeah, but ask open questions not yes/noNov 19 10:06
sebsebsebyep exactly open questionsNov 19 10:06
sebsebsebwith writing spaceNov 19 10:06
iophkmaybe a multiple choice or twoNov 19 10:06
sebsebsebyeah, but good questionsNov 19 10:06
sebsebsebiophk: and if this is done again, at least know the sytle of things nowNov 19 10:06
sebsebsebhow he does itNov 19 10:06
sebsebsebshuld be easier a second time roundNov 19 10:06
sebsebsebwith same peopleNov 19 10:07
sebsebsebiophk: I was thinking could do one towards the end of year maybe as well or the year or somethingNov 19 10:07
sebsebsebdepending on how thing goNov 19 10:07
sebsebsebpr the year afterNov 19 10:07
iophkI thought you would switch groups for an installfestNov 19 10:10
sebsebsebiophk: to lateNov 19 10:11
sebsebseboh you mean for later?Nov 19 10:11
sebsebsebiophk: I think I should have done more proposals  for 3   hmmmNov 19 10:11
sebsebsebto late now though it semsNov 19 10:11
sebsebsebignored what he said about covering all bases etcNov 19 10:11
sebsebseband  sincerly asking me to reduce proposals, but that he would have to deal with what he got etcNov 19 10:11
iophkIt was a mistake not to get the discussion going about DEs back a month ago.Nov 19 10:11
sebsebsebthe formal one you mean?Nov 19 10:12
sebsebsebthere was the informal stuf all alongNov 19 10:12
iophkyeah, get the DEs formally settledNov 19 10:13
iophkif not previously informallyNov 19 10:13
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sebsebsebiophk: it's looking like it was a mistake  to not do proposals for just 3 in the end  on the other hand not so much, if they put in loads of LUG themeNov 19 10:13
sebsebseban d ruin the default look of the distro's I guessNov 19 10:13
iophkyepNov 19 10:13
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sebsebsebiophk: I think I'l even suggest itNov 19 10:13
sebsebsebonce I am probably out votedNov 19 10:13
sebsebsebto do  the dm's,  and ksplash,  and plymouth if possible as wellNov 19 10:14
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sebsebseband default background of courseNov 19 10:14
sebsebsebyep a proper event themeNov 19 10:14
sebsebseboh yeah maybe they shuld make some speciic font for the event whilst at it to, heh hehNov 19 10:14
iophkand musicNov 19 10:15
iophkand iconsNov 19 10:15
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sebsebseboh yeah indeed let's not forget the sound scheme and iconsNov 19 10:15
iophkand skins for the appsNov 19 10:15
sebsebsebfor  the Ubuntu one may be easy enough get jono to record something oh wait no he'll wat the offical Canonical stuffNov 19 10:15
sebsebsebin his Q&A  peple tend to be like awesome when he plays guitar, and then be like that that sound be Ubuntu's sound schemeNov 19 10:16
sebsebsebiophk: he's been trying to get proposals for about two weeks or whatever nowNov 19 10:16
sebsebsebiophk: ,but in his confusisng for me anyway wayNov 19 10:17
sebsebseb,but yeah final ones sent earlier it seems, and I think that's it hten, can't change that nowNov 19 10:17
iophkhow many Mageia DVDs will you have to give out?Nov 19 10:17
sebsebsebCD's you meanNov 19 10:18
iophkDoes it fit on a CD?Nov 19 10:18
sebsebsebyeah I guess,  whatever,  try and get some of those out there anyway even if out votedNov 19 10:18
sebsebsebwell  the one's at FOSDEM will only be 32bit and 64bit GNOME and KDE Live CD'sNov 19 10:18
sebsebsebiophk: of coure mght only get about 25 peple coming there in the whole six hoursNov 19 10:19
iophkDo you think most visitors will know if they have 32-bit or 64-bit?Nov 19 10:19
sebsebsebiophk: and many of them may just want to use something,  and never contribute back to a project etc you knjowNov 19 10:19
sebsebsebjust consume itNov 19 10:19
iophkyes of course, but that is how it goesNov 19 10:19
sebsebsebiophk: all of the remasters are going to be 32bit as wellNov 19 10:19
sebsebseba few may come to the LUG meting the Saturday afterNov 19 10:20
sebsebsebto get something installed or  whatever I guessNov 19 10:20
sebsebsebiophk: anyway just talk to people  a bit and such I guess and so on Nov 19 10:20
sebsebsebthey can't control what I say :Nov 19 10:20
sebsebseb:DNov 19 10:20
sebsebsebfreedom of speeachNov 19 10:20
iophk:)Nov 19 10:20
iophknot in the UK AFAIKNov 19 10:21
iophkor is there?Nov 19 10:21
sebsebsebiophk: I was thinking if Unit is there, but no GNOME Shell Nov 19 10:21
sebsebsebcould say to some that htere's also GNOME Shell :dNov 19 10:21
sebsebsebiophk: Mate is out ok Nov 19 10:21
sebsebsebsoNov 19 10:21
sebsebsebCinnamon is in it seems, Unity, and KDENov 19 10:21
sebsebsebhpefuly GNOE3 toNov 19 10:21
sebsebsebiophk: it's like I am propsoing the distro that no one else really wants as such, plus the de mainlyNov 19 10:22
sebsebsebso  gettig out votedNov 19 10:22
sebsebsebprobablyNov 19 10:22
sebsebsebiophk: and even if I got KDE for Mageia,  I would wnat to show GNOME really I thinkNov 19 10:22
sebsebsebwell both ideallyNov 19 10:23
sebsebsebiophk: openSUSE guy never made his own proposals in the document, I guess since others had made them for openSUSE anyway hmmNov 19 10:23
sebsebsebincluding me in the end to try and get Magiea in some howNov 19 10:24
sebsebsebiophk: I could quit  after that meeting,  but  probably won'tNov 19 10:25
sebsebsebiophk: or  quit and be ike that, I may help uot on day or  soething hmmNov 19 10:25
sebsebsebiophk: Cinnamon, KDE, Unity, and GNOME3,  that sounds like a good interfaces choice to me :)Nov 19 10:26
iophkYeah fairly good.Nov 19 10:26
sebsebsebyes it's four, butNov 19 10:26
iophkI'd still say XFCE over GNOMENov 19 10:26
sebsebsebXFCE and LXDE won't be used for the eventNov 19 10:27
sebsebsebwell maybe in a cut down version , but other than that nopeNov 19 10:27
sebsebsebiophk: two Windows like interfacesNov 19 10:27
sebsebseband two something else'sNov 19 10:27
iophkIt looks like LXDE is being deprecated for LXQt, but that will take a while for distros to make the transition.Nov 19 10:27
sebsebsebmakes sense to meNov 19 10:27
iophkyes it makes sense.Nov 19 10:27
sebsebseb,but  wil the others see it like that or not is the thing,  and I am not so convincedNov 19 10:27
sebsebsebiophk: i was thinking I coud  maybe send out a email sayig  why I didstuffNov 19 10:28
sebsebseb,but idea is to do soething on Thursday talks, an showing of rematers etcNov 19 10:28
sebsebsebneed to make new ones stillNov 19 10:28
iophkget those new icons sets, sound profiles, and fonts ready by thenNov 19 10:28
sebsebsebtwo Wndows like interfaces, and two soething elses'  sounds like the way to go to meNov 19 10:29
sebsebseband  four is a even number toNov 19 10:29
sebsebseband  realy  we got Ubuntu twice or pretty much since the other is MintNov 19 10:29
sebsebsebso realy it's pretty much  just 3 distros not 4Nov 19 10:29
sebsebsebI think having Unity without GNOME Shell woul look a ibit odd to me for this  same the other way round reallyNov 19 10:30
sebsebseband  Cinnamon is one o the lighter  WIndows like interfaces, and KDE is a bit more diffret, so that makes senseNov 19 10:30
sebsebsebiophk: Cinnnamon,  Unity, and  KDE, would work as well really, but  the got two Widows like interfaces, and only one soething elseNov 19 10:31
sebsebsebwhich is a bit hmm to meNov 19 10:31
MinceRso a washed-up KDE, and three macos wannabesNov 19 10:33
DaemonFCshared a link via Open Source For You.Nov 19 10:33
DaemonFCabout a minute ago · EditedNov 19 10:33
DaemonFCI would never use Linux Mint. Their developers have a really bad attitude, and their fork of the GNOME software is questionable at best. Who the hell thinks it's a good idea to hold back security updates? Especially for the display server......Nov 19 10:33
MinceRyou could say that if the users like what they see, they can't do worse than thisNov 19 10:34
sebsebsebMinceR: heh heh  yeahNov 19 10:35
sebsebsebMinceR: Cinnamon isn't a Mac OS X wannabe though?Nov 19 10:35
MinceRit's a gnome2 forkNov 19 10:35
MinceRand gnome 2.x and 3.x are macos wannabesNov 19 10:35
sebsebsebDaemonFC: yeah indeedNov 19 10:35
MinceRto the extent of adopting their HIGNov 19 10:36
sebsebsebDaemonFC: well actsauy one of  our guysfor htis evet OpenSUS oneNov 19 10:36
MinceR(which is utterly retarded)Nov 19 10:36
sebsebsebDaemonFC: emailed us about thatNov 19 10:36
sebsebsebfor cosiderationNov 19 10:36
sebsebseb,but it's still in for the voteNov 19 10:36
sebsebsebMinceR: what did you mean by washed-up KDE?Nov 19 10:37
MinceRKDE jumped the shark at 4.0Nov 19 10:37
MinceRthey no longer focus on things that matterNov 19 10:37
sebsebseboh you don't likeKDE Nov 19 10:37
sebsebsebKDE seems to just stay the same for me in the past few release or ore of KDE 4Nov 19 10:37
sebsebsebI don't see the new stuffNov 19 10:38
MinceRi liked KDE up to 3.xNov 19 10:38
iophknor improvementNov 19 10:38
sebsebsebiophk: for KDE?Nov 19 10:38
MinceRit was powerful and reliableNov 19 10:38
iophkthere are many small problems that impair usabilityNov 19 10:38
iophkin KDENov 19 10:38
iophkUntil 4 it was good.Nov 19 10:38
sebsebsebKDE 4 isn't quite WIndows 7 or whatever eitherNov 19 10:38
iophkThey worked hard on usability Nov 19 10:38
sebsebsebthey'll find that hteire icons may move raoundNov 19 10:38
iophkbut not for 4Nov 19 10:38
sebsebseband a non technial user may not like thatNov 19 10:38
MinceRwell, vista is trying to be kdeNov 19 10:38
sebsebseband may fid it hard to try and move back etcNov 19 10:38
MinceR(and failing)Nov 19 10:38
sebsebsebalso if htey try and customise it even to change the backgroundNov 19 10:39
sebsebsebthey'll probaby find that it's very geeky to do soNov 19 10:39
sebsebsebso yeah I guess let openSUSE have it for the event then?Nov 19 10:40
sebsebsebI have my little brother using it before,  and  the icons moved around and what notNov 19 10:40
sebsebsebhave hadNov 19 10:40
sebsebsebcan lock icons, but that won't be defaultNov 19 10:40
sebsebsebI think or  whateverNov 19 10:41
sebsebsebGNOME Shell is alright, but better with a few extensions reallyNov 19 10:41
sebsebsebMinceR: iophk  and Cinnamon really exists, since Mate wanted to do smething differnetNov 19 10:42
sebsebsebinstead of going with GNOME 3Nov 19 10:42
sebsebseb,but Unity did something more interestig etcNov 19 10:43
MinceRfehNov 19 10:44
sebsebsebMinceR: you odn't like Uity ether??Nov 19 10:44
sebsebsebUnity is okish not really for meNov 19 10:45
MinceRi dislike unity most of the aboveNov 19 10:45
MinceRwith its macos-ish non-configurabilityNov 19 10:45
sebsebsebGNOME Shell is  better than UityNov 19 10:45
sebsebsebMinceR: yep  Unity is a Mac OS X ike interfaceNov 19 10:45
sebsebsebso is GNOME Shell really in certain waysNov 19 10:45
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MinceRindeedNov 19 10:46
iophkThe alt-tabbing in Unity is awkward.Nov 19 10:46
sebsebseband then KDE is  a bit ike Wndows 7 or hwatever, but mor geeky,  and  Cinnamon is a bit like 7 or whatever toNov 19 10:46
iophkThe active apps are not centered nor clearly highlighted.Nov 19 10:46
sebsebsebso realy for the event  I guess it's like your saying MinceRNov 19 10:46
MinceRmore like vista7 is a bit like KDENov 19 10:46
sebsebsebWindows, and Mac OS X ilke iterfacesNov 19 10:46
iophkThen there is the whole OS X-like mistake of tabbing apps rather than windows in apps.Nov 19 10:46
sebsebsebwhere's that specific Linux interface?Nov 19 10:46
sebsebseboh right there isn't oneNov 19 10:46
MinceRwell, there isn't one, but there are more powerful interfaces available on GNU/LinuxNov 19 10:46
iophkfvwmNov 19 10:47
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah, but fora non techiNov 19 10:47
sebsebsebit's those optois I putNov 19 10:47
sebsebsebor  maybe XFCE or LXDENov 19 10:47
sebsebsebad that's about it reayNov 19 10:47
MinceRfor a non-techy i can see important options: 1) similar to an OS/UI he already knows; 2) something utilitarian and 3) something flashyNov 19 10:50
sebsebsebMinceR: what do you mean ultitarian?Nov 19 10:51
sebsebsebI think having the four get all that or petty much?Nov 19 10:52
MinceRsomething that is focused on getting things done (your way), not on bling or on imitating something elseNov 19 10:52
sebsebsebok so Cinnamon is that one I guess?Nov 19 10:52
sebsebsebKDE is the siilar to 7 or whateverNov 19 10:52
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MinceRXFCE, LXDE and many classic WM-s do thatNov 19 10:53
MinceRi'm not sure about cinnamon, maybe it's sort of like thatNov 19 10:53
iophkhttp://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE-QtNov 19 10:53
MinceRi haven't used much of it (i did install and use mint on one of my laptops for a short while)Nov 19 10:53
TechrightsBot-trwiki.lxde.org | LXDE-Qt - LXDE.orgNov 19 10:53
sebsebsebGNOME Shell and Unity is the more flashy?Nov 19 10:53
sebsebsebreally he proposed CinnaonNov 19 10:54
sebsebsebsince he thinks t's like Widows 7Nov 19 10:54
sebsebsebhe thinks WIdows users wil ike thatNov 19 10:54
MinceRdunno, i know how flashy compiz and kde4 can beNov 19 10:54
sebsebsebI hope we get the four :)Nov 19 10:54
sebsebsebafter al thisNov 19 10:54
MinceRusers will not necessarily like what they're used to, as the point of switching would be to get improvements :>Nov 19 10:54
sebsebsebtwo Widows like, two Mac os x LIKENov 19 10:54
sebsebsebor whatever you want to sayNov 19 10:54
sebsebsebMinceR: exactlyNov 19 10:54
sebsebsebMinceR: it's good to have diffenret ones there toNov 19 10:55
sebsebsebthey may want to try something differnetNov 19 10:55
sebsebsebthat doesn't look like WindowsNov 19 10:55
sebsebsebKDE and Cinnamon looking nore like Widows, with Unity and GNOME Shell as the something diffenretNov 19 10:55
MinceRwell, you could show off stuff like desktop grid and desktop cube on kdeNov 19 10:56
MinceRalso, wobbly windows and window create/delete animationsNov 19 10:57
sebsebsebwel yeah could do, but won't be for thisNov 19 10:57
sebsebsebseems I have to sell the iea of 4 interfaces on Thursday to now uhNov 19 10:57
sebsebsebMinceR: iophk  I suppoue whatever happens with this silly votig stuff etc,  I still got FOSDEM next yaear to celebrate the Mageai 4 release a bbit and what otNov 19 11:00
sebsebsebassumming it's releaed to the public on time for FOSDENov 19 11:00
sebsebsebMNov 19 11:00
iophkThe new contract with M$ puts Nokia in a hard spot.  M$ is only licensing the patents so if Nokia is to try to make money on that part of the deal it has to play patent troll for M$. Nov 19 11:03
sebsebsebiophk: I am not sure if it's understoo that I meant having a cut down version at least oneNov 19 11:07
sebsebsebwith the proposals as well or notNov 19 11:07
iophkIf you wrote it, it's there.  If not, it's not.Nov 19 11:07
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sebsebsebiophk: I did proposals for cut downsNov 19 11:08
sebsebseb,but seperate from  other propas or whatever,  Nov 19 11:08
sebsebsebiophk: confussig  propspals system seeNov 19 11:08
sebsebsebiophk: maybe I should let him do that cut down no problemNov 19 11:14
sebsebsebiophk: otheriwse I got to do a puppy linux ting hmmNov 19 11:14
iophkThat's why it would have been better to decide on the DEs first.Nov 19 11:16
iophkIt'll be interesting if Puppy makes the final list.Nov 19 11:16
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309443Nov 19 11:18
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: MPAA and RIAA Urge Government to Keep High Fines for Copyright InfringersNov 19 11:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> torrentfreak.com | MPAA and RIAA Urge Government to Keep High Fines for Copyright Infringers | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g28wo ]Nov 19 11:18
schestowitz".. because their whole business model is based on prosecuting their customers .."Nov 19 11:18
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309420Nov 19 11:19
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #NSA profiling (e.g. for drone strikes) and #espionage is worse than "against free speech"; it's against free/anonymous reading/learningNov 19 11:19
schestowitz"They've been attacking financial networks as well. So you could as easily add theft/fraud to the list. The NSA is a criminal conspiracy."Nov 19 11:19
schestowitzA lot of the military industrial complex is shady and murderous like that.Nov 19 11:19
DaemonFC2 seconds agoNov 19 11:19
DaemonFCI wonder how many people will show up at Freedom Indiana's anti-HJR-6 meeting in Huntington.Nov 19 11:19
DaemonFCI'm considering whether I want to go or not. I know this is going to sound terrible, but I'm trying to figure out how I have a stake in this. Of course, it would piss off the far right, and that's always fun all by itself.Nov 19 11:19
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Nov 19 11:21
schestowitz> Nov 19 11:21
schestowitz> I will indeed be meeting him at the rail station, which is only a short 5 minute walk from our campus. Will you be travelling in by rail yourself?Nov 19 11:21
schestowitzYes, but I have not yet booked a train because I don't know what time to arrive, who to meet, etc. That's why I need your help.Nov 19 11:21
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sebsebsebiophk: I think sinc how these proposals are doneNov 19 11:24
sebsebsebiophk: and how they are gong to get voted onNov 19 11:24
sebsebsebiophk: I think I have to out vote puppyNov 19 11:24
sebsebseblet him make the cut down and that's thatNov 19 11:25
sebsebsebiophk: might not even get to my main proposals, depending on how things goNov 19 11:25
sebsebsebthey may not get voted on at all nowNov 19 11:25
sebsebsebiophk: maybe I shuld show you that document, I have gone wrong for sure it seemsNov 19 11:27
iophkI wouldn't be able to do anythingNov 19 11:27
sebsebsebtrue, but you could see what I am on aboutNov 19 11:27
sebsebsebiophk: what does F/A/O mean on the side?Nov 19 11:30
sebsebsebis it a tick boNov 19 11:30
sebsebsebxNov 19 11:30
sebsebseblooks like tick box thereNov 19 11:30
iophkside of what?Nov 19 11:30
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/402735462588362752Nov 19 11:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Huge jump in #FOIA requests to #NSA  http://t.co/Wa1pNe8Lxi and #fbi http://t.co/48UQwoQAwVNov 19 11:30
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.salon.com | Huge jump in FOIA requests to NSA - Salon.comNov 19 11:30
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.motherjones.com | Meet the Punk Rocker Who Can Liberate Your FBI File | Mother JonesNov 19 11:30
iophkHow will you do the voting?Nov 19 11:30
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Morality124/status/402797279154696192Nov 19 11:30
TechrightsBot-tr@Morality124: @schestowitz I wonder why. ;)Nov 19 11:30
iophkroot mean squared ranking ?Nov 19 11:31
sebsebsebiophk: the guy who's in America will send him what he wants,  if he wants to voteNov 19 11:32
sebsebseband he'll vote for himNov 19 11:32
sebsebsebiophk: and the rest of us at the meeting, after  demo's have been show and promotion talks and suchNov 19 11:32
sebsebsebiophk: shame Unity isn't in many other distors in a wayNov 19 11:33
sebsebsebI mean could have said no I'll use my own distro for that if so :)Nov 19 11:33
iophkI was kind of expecting Unity to be ported upstream to Debian,Nov 19 11:34
iophkbut I guess there must be some reasons not to.Nov 19 11:34
sebsebsebshame about the lack of Cinanamon and Mate Live Media's even when  Mageia 4 comes out in FebruaryNov 19 11:34
MinceRyou could probably make an ubuntu fork with unity, but there isn't much of a pointNov 19 11:34
sebsebsebyep seems' hardy any otherdistros will have itNov 19 11:34
sebsebsebsince the  technical reaosns and poloticalNov 19 11:34
sebsebsebsince it wasn't from a standard upstreamNov 19 11:35
sebsebsebit's from Canoncal who play upstream now for those things, and  want to be  a platform and all thatNov 19 11:35
sebsebseband then a lot of people don't trust htem quite, since they are commericl and have a copyright assignments policy as wellNov 19 11:35
sebsebsebiophk: MinceR don't you think it' a bit odd in a way, if GNOME 3 goes out though,  with Unity,  but more specifically Cinnamon in for thisNov 19 11:36
sebsebsebCinnamon exists since the GNOME  3 whinersNov 19 11:36
*MinceR shrugsNov 19 11:36
sebsebseband Mint not wanting to go with it and do soething differnet, and I think  Unity  going on the desktop is a silar kind of thingNov 19 11:36
sebsebsebthat was just going to be a netbook interace to begin withNov 19 11:37
MinceRwhat did you expect when opensuse and ubuntu were the distros they most insisted on?Nov 19 11:37
sebsebsebMinceR: I am not out voted yetNov 19 11:37
sebsebseb,but I  will be now  since done proposals wrong a bitNov 19 11:37
sebsebsebunless I can persuae to have all 4 distrosNov 19 11:37
sebsebsebMinceR: openSUSE and Mint was what was most insisted onNov 19 11:37
sebsebsebthen Ubuntu guy comes along to, and that gets added into the mix,  but orinaly  it wasl ike 2 or 3 distrosNov 19 11:38
sebsebsebI think we should have just said 4 in a way from the beginign,  or when he wanted Ubuntu or somethingNov 19 11:38
MinceRicNov 19 11:39
sebsebseband the formal stuff could have been done sooner really as iophk suggested,  or hwateverNov 19 11:39
MinceRmaybe the goals should have been clarified at the startNov 19 11:39
sebsebsebMinceR: now I need all 4 in Nov 19 11:39
sebsebsebMinceR: or my proposlas are outNov 19 11:39
sebsebsebMinceR: he tried to exxplain the  how voting would be doneNov 19 11:40
sebsebseb,but then did proposals in this conussing documentNov 19 11:40
sebsebsebthat he wanted edited in a certain way, an I had issues with htatNov 19 11:40
sebsebseband then he suggtes less propsls, and I get stressed out editing the document a few times to and such whichdoesn't help thingsNov 19 11:41
sebsebsebiophk: shoudn't there be a way to change proplss after seeing demo's and such surely? or a bitNov 19 11:42
sebsebseb,but not sure if that's gong to get done or not eitherNov 19 11:43
sebsebsebI mean after the demo's and speeches?Nov 19 11:43
MinceRit's a pity they don't explain what's wrong about gtk+ 3.x in the lxde-qt post or the referred postNov 19 11:44
MinceRi was interestedNov 19 11:44
MinceRstill, i guess this makes lxde more interesting to me :>Nov 19 11:44
sebsebsebMinceR: Ubuntu was gong qtqml for UnityNov 19 11:45
MinceRi don't see how that affects lxdeNov 19 11:46
sebsebsebnot raelly read the lxde thing yetNov 19 11:46
MinceRhttp://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE-QtNov 19 11:47
TechrightsBot-trwiki.lxde.org | LXDE-Qt - LXDE.orgNov 19 11:47
MinceRhttp://blog.lxde.org/?p=1013Nov 19 11:47
TechrightsBot-trblog.lxde.org | LXDE - LXDE-Qt PreviewNov 19 11:47
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schestowitzmeeting rms...Nov 19 12:06
schestowitz> Hi Roy,Nov 19 12:06
schestowitz> Nov 19 12:06
schestowitz> I am hosting Richard so I will be meeting him from the station, and he will be staying with me that evening. Currently Richard is not sure exactly which train he will take, as his ticket is open to and from London, although he has expressed an interest in arriving around 17:00. When I get a firm time I will relay to you, if that would help? I'd be happy to meet you at the train station, or on the university campus.Nov 19 12:06
schestowitzRichard told me he might arrive at round 13:00, so I guess the arrival time is still uncertain. Given this uncertainty, please do let me know when there are clearer plans, I'd really appreciate it.Nov 19 12:06
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iophkNov 19 : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettysburg_AddressNov 19 12:16
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Gettysburg Address - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/g2ask ]Nov 19 12:16
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307632Nov 19 12:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "the Free Software Foundation aims for a cloud that foils state-sponsored snooping" http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/gnus-novel-proposal-cloud-puts-privacy-first-228599 #fsfNov 19 12:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.infoworld.com | GNU's novel proposal: A cloud that puts privacy first | Open Source Software - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g28l1 ]Nov 19 12:46
schestowitz"And the drugs, the terrists will force the child'un to take! Oh the humanity!"Nov 19 12:46
schestowitziophk: what about it?Nov 19 12:46
schestowitziophk: today I learned that someone I knew from Finland (she worked here for some years and studied) had moved to SwedenNov 19 12:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307265Nov 19 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: FBI Stops Responding To The Most Prolific FOIA Filer, Because He Might Actually Learn Something http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131118/01542825271/fbi-stops-responding-to-most-prolific-foia-filer-because-he-might-actually-learn-something.shtml #fbuNov 19 12:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techdirt.com | FBI Stops Responding To The Most Prolific FOIA Filer, Because He Might Actually Learn Something | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/g28lq ]Nov 19 12:47
schestowitz"Yeah, I'd just think that for PR purposes they'd at least want to make up some kind of weakly, plausible sounding excuse for the unwashed masses..."Nov 19 12:47
schestowitzFBI as "accountable". It's worse to have the perception (fake) of it than to have none at all.Nov 19 12:47
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307452Nov 19 12:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/15/richard-stallman-letter/ http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/spouse-of-a-stratfor-client/Nov 19 12:48
TechrightsBot-tr-> venturebeat.com | Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence | VentureBeat  [ http://ur1.ca/g28on ]Nov 19 12:48
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | ‘Innocent Until Proven Guilty’ Becomes a Thing of the Past | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g28oo ]Nov 19 12:48
schestowitz"Nov 19 12:48
schestowitzThe letter,Nov 19 12:48
schestowitz###Nov 19 12:48
schestowitz[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden’s example.Nov 19 12:48
schestowitzReferences about GNU and Linux: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html Reference about copyleft: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/Nov 19 12:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnu.org | GNU/Linux FAQ - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/h4tu ]Nov 19 12:48
schestowitzDear Judge Preska I’ve been proud to call myself a hacker since 1971. That’s when I was hired by the MIT Artificial Intelligence Lab to join the team that developed the lab’s operating systems — for which the unofficial job title was “system hacker”. My subsequent hacking career has included developing the GNU operating system, which is often erroneously called “Linux”, and the legal hack of “copyleft” which uses Nov 19 12:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnu.org | About the GNU Project - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation  [ http://ur1.ca/9q80v ]Nov 19 12:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.gnu.org | What is Copyleft? - GNU Project - Free Software FoundationNov 19 12:48
schestowitzcopyright law to ensure that all users of a program are free to redistribute it and change it. I’ve received numerous awards and doctorates for my hacking, and have been invited twice to publish articles in law reviews.Nov 19 12:48
schestowitzBeing a hacker means practicing and enjoying playful cleverness. (See stallman.org/articles/on-hacking.html.) It does not particularly have to do with breaking security. Indeed, no one ever broke security on the AI lab’s system, because we decided not to implement any.Nov 19 12:48
schestowitzThat decision, made by the original team members who became my mentors, was not taken lightly: it was the result of careful political and philosophical thought. Instead of keeping most users (those without “privileges” — which already sounds like a prison) shackled so that they could not hurt each other, we thought the lab members and guest users could learn to get along as a community, choosing not to hurt each other. And they Nov 19 12:48
schestowitzdid!Nov 19 12:48
schestowitzThis example is not unusual for hackers. From the beginning, hackers’ taste for playful cleverness has often gone along with a sense of social responsibility, concern for others’ well-being. Jeremy Hammond is a fine example of a socially responsible hacker. He found a clever way to expose the many nefarious deeds that Stratfor was planning and proposing.Nov 19 12:48
schestowitzPeople should not be allowed to enter others’ computers without permission; but when punishing someone for virtual trespassing, we ought to consider his motive. Those who trespass as part of a nonviolent protest, either physically or virtually, should not receive severe punishments. Those who act neither for gain nor for malice should not receive severe punishments. Imagine where our country would be if the civil rights and antiwar Nov 19 12:48
schestowitzsit-ins had been punished by years in prison! If we do not want the US to be like Putin’s Russia, imposing long sentences on protesters, we must steer clear of doing so. That applies to virtual protests as well as physical ones.Nov 19 12:49
schestowitzI therefore respectfully suggest that Hammond be sentenced to community service. To make use of his skills and abilities, this service could consist of helping nonprofit organizations protect their personal data. Sincerely, Richard Stallman Lead developer of the GNU system (gnu.org) President, Free Software Foundation (fsf.org) MacArthur Fellow Internet hall-of-famer (internethalloffame.org)Nov 19 12:49
schestowitz"Nov 19 12:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306032Nov 19 12:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-sailfish-os-phone-november-27-release/ #jolla #linux #nokia #meegoNov 19 12:49
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.digitaltrends.com | Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 | Digital Trends  [ http://ur1.ca/g23w8 ]Nov 19 12:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306032Nov 19 12:59
schestowitz"Ok. Well here's hoping for as much open as possible. WIll be interesting to see what comes out on the 27'th. If I wanted a phone that had a bunch of FOSS under the hood, but a proprietary GUI that locked out most current FOSS apps, I'd get an iPhone."Nov 19 12:59
iophkhttp://gigaom.com/2013/11/19/heres-what-we-know-about-european-collaboration-with-the-nsa/Nov 19 13:07
TechrightsBot-trgigaom.com | Here’s what we know about European collaboration with the NSA — Tech News and Analysis  [ http://ur1.ca/g2azn ]Nov 19 13:07
iophkhttp://www.kansas.com/2013/11/18/3126980/lincolns-gettysburg-address-delivered.htmlNov 19 13:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.kansas.com | Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address changed the American psyche, KU professor says | Wichita Eagle  [ http://ur1.ca/g2b06 ]Nov 19 13:11
schestowitzWow, Norway too?Nov 19 13:17
iophkYep.  Millions.Nov 19 13:18
iophkThey're now arguing over how much the law was broken.Nov 19 13:18
iophkIn Sweden there was also something about SÄPO wanting permanent wiretaps on Internet traffic or something like that.  Nov 19 13:19
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sebsebsebiophk: uh I made a stupid commentNov 19 13:25
sebsebsebiophk:  in the emai to him earlierNov 19 13:25
sebsebsebgot the relyNov 19 13:25
iophkokNov 19 13:25
sebsebsebiophk: wlel not jut him to allNov 19 13:25
sebsebsebiophk: trying to explain it and such, but uhNov 19 13:25
sebsebsebI am not really a email prsonNov 19 13:26
schestowitziophk: Sweden helps spy on RussiaNov 19 13:40
iophkYes, many of the cables go through.Nov 19 13:40
iophkSome guess that is why Google is building a center on the border just inside Finland.Nov 19 13:40
iophkon the Russian border.Nov 19 13:41
iophkThey bought up a whole industry park and are right next to two power stations.Nov 19 13:41
iophkhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/04/us-google-finland-center-idUSBRE9A308Y20131104Nov 19 13:51
TechrightsBot-trwww.reuters.com | Google lifts post-Nokia hopes with Finnish data centre investment | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/g2b77 ]Nov 19 13:51
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schestowitziophk: postedNov 19 14:15
schestowitzinteresting angleNov 19 14:15
schestowitzmaybe they want Google to help make Finland another SwedenNov 19 14:15
schestowitzinformant against RussiaNov 19 14:15
schestowitzthat can't be good for Finnish national securityNov 19 14:15
schestowitzbefore you know it they'll drink tank fuel like spirit against fighting KGB warlord Vlad PutinNov 19 14:16
schestowitz*again,Nov 19 14:16
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3311376Nov 19 14:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How Munich rejected Steve Ballmer and kicked Microsoft out of the city http://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-munich-rejected-steve-ballmer-and-kicked-microsoft-out-of-the-city/ allegedly #ballmer tried to bribe themNov 19 14:49
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techrepublic.com | How Munich rejected Steve Ballmer and kicked Microsoft out of the city - Feature - TechRepublic  [ http://ur1.ca/g2bol ]Nov 19 14:49
schestowitz"I know this story :) Our Mayor told us this on the Linux Days."Nov 19 14:49
schestowitzhttp://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_11_19-google_calls_me_spammer_for_rms_letter/letters_of_support.pdfNov 19 14:50
schestowitz"Thanks, riveraldez. Looking around a little, I discovered that RMS's letter is one of many submitted to Preska on Hammond's behalf. Strangely, the pdf copy is no longer on the Free Jeremy site where Google says it was, so I made a pdf print of Google's cache. RMS wrote his letter on October 22nd and it was published in a document titled "Case 1:12-cr-00185-LAP Document 56-7 Filed 11/01/13 ""Nov 19 14:50
iophkLocation of Hamina  : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HaminaNov 19 15:20
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Hamina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaNov 19 15:20
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3305623Nov 19 15:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Android’s GNU/Linux-based Rivals Are Doing Pretty Well http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/android-linux-rivals/ #android #linux #tizen #jollaNov 19 15:51
schestowitz"Dunno, so far only Jolla brings a Phone to market i think?"Nov 19 15:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Android’s GNU/Linux-based Rivals Are Doing Pretty Well | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g2c1d ]Nov 19 15:51
schestowitzhttp://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/200-libby-clark/744744-10-best-quotes-from-linus-torvalds-keynote-at-linuxcon-europeNov 19 16:02
TechrightsBot-trwww.linux.com | 10 Best Quotes from Linus Torvalds' Keynote at LinuxCon Europe | Linux.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g2c2t ]Nov 19 16:02
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schestowitzhttp://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/mobile-cloud-view/ceo-roadkill-sign-that-disruption-is-catching-up-with-the-old-guard/Nov 19 16:51
TechrightsBot-tritknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com | CEO roadkill sign that disruption is catching up with the old guard - View From Above  [ http://ur1.ca/g2cb4 ]Nov 19 16:51
schestowitzthe Microsoft booster bashes mainframes because they run Linux http://www.zdnet.com/the-immortal-mainframe-and-what-it-means-for-the-future-of-application-development-7000023338/Nov 19 16:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.zdnet.com | The immortal mainframe and what it means for the future of application development | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2cc3 ]Nov 19 16:59
schestowitzIs this paid endorsement?Nov 19 17:15
schestowitzLinux Journal promoting proprietary again http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/sublime-text-one-editor-rule-them-all?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+linuxjournalcom+%28Linux+Journal+-+The+Original+Magazine+of+the+Linux+Community%29Nov 19 17:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.linuxjournal.com | Sublime Text: One Editor to Rule Them All? | Linux Journal  [ http://ur1.ca/g2cfa ]Nov 19 17:16
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iophkhttp://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=www.techrights.orgNov 20 03:19
TechrightsBot-trdevelopers.google.com | PageSpeed Insights  [ http://ur1.ca/g2f0g ]Nov 20 03:19
iophk"The Lumia/Windows Phone business unit will at some point be closed down at Microsoft after enough money is thrown into that endless pit"Nov 20 03:19
iophk"I will soon release my book on the Elop Effect"Nov 20 03:19
iophkhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/11/its-now-official-nokia-shareholders-approved-the-deal.htmlNov 20 03:19
TechrightsBot-trcommunities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Its Now Official, Nokia Shareholders Approved the Deal  [ http://ur1.ca/g2f0h ]Nov 20 03:19
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309256Nov 20 04:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Why are some of the most powerful people in Britain so terrified of a bunch of students?" http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/18/police-students-threat-law-and-order-politics not yet debt-saddledNov 20 04:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theguardian.com | Police are cracking down on students – but what threat to law and order is an over-articulate history graduate? | Aditya Chakrabortty | Comment is free | The Guardian  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fd6 ]Nov 20 04:42
schestowitz"This is happening in the US as well. City University of New York with Petreus as well as at Berkely with tuition hike protests over the last couple years. Quebec last year had a major crackdown on their student movement, the so-called "Maple Spring.""Nov 20 04:42
schestowitzMaybe they need to shove more debt down the students' throats to make them more scared and obedient with paralysis. :/Nov 20 04:42
schestowitziophk: no very major errorNov 20 04:43
schestowitzi checked this on android tablet and phoneNov 20 04:43
iophkok goodNov 20 04:44
schestowitzred exclamation points are mostly performancr relatedNov 20 04:44
iophkthere are several subpages to check tooNov 20 04:44
schestowitzand they don't like redirectsNov 20 04:44
schestowitzi could never set uo .htaccess to achieve thisNov 20 04:44
iophk.htaccess is only a subset of what you can really do  in the regular vhost configuration fileNov 20 04:45
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3309026Nov 20 04:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: Occupy Wall St.Nov 20 04:45
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by sunny_day@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_b6e7de528f4bec51d9e7.jpgNov 20 04:45
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schestowitz"I was going to say the same thing, Bugs. You could probably add up all the Americans killed by terrorism in the entire 20th century and it still wouldn't equal 5,000."Nov 20 04:45
iophkAbout the Guardian article, chalk on a limestone wall will etch it.  So technically it is vandalism.  I forget the chemistry though.Nov 20 04:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307504Nov 20 04:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: U.S. justices won't review intelligence court action on phone records  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-court-intelligence-20131118,0,7821882.story leaving it to secret societies and deptsNov 20 04:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.chicagotribune.com | U.S. justices won't review intelligence court action on phone records - chicagotribune.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g25f6 ]Nov 20 04:48
schestowitz"Unlimited corporate money for elections they can take the time, but challenges to the Constitution, meh."Nov 20 04:48
iophkhttp://falkvinge.net/2013/11/19/swedish-regime-to-give-police-customs-tax-authorities-realtime-access-to-citizens-phone-mail-more/Nov 20 04:50
TechrightsBot-trfalkvinge.net | Swedish Regime To Give Police, Customs, Tax Authorities Realtime Access to Citizens' Phone, Mail, More - Falkvinge on Infopolicy  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fe7 ]Nov 20 04:50
iophka follow up to that comment yesterday.Nov 20 04:50
iophkhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2064940/ubuntu-linux-server-with-arm-processor-rolled-out-by-boston-limited.htmlNov 20 04:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcworld.com | Ubuntu Linux server with ARM processor rolled out by Boston Limited | PCWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fep ]Nov 20 04:54
schestowitzseen thatNov 20 04:55
iophkArmNov 20 04:55
iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/19/lavabit_analysis/Nov 20 05:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Lavabit founder: Feds ORDERED email providers to stay open • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fhq ]Nov 20 05:19
schestowitzhttp://englishrussia.com/2013/11/19/top-25-fantastic-soviet-buildings/Nov 20 05:23
TechrightsBot-trenglishrussia.com | Top 25 Fantastic Soviet Buildings | English Russia  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fic ]Nov 20 05:23
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iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2307982/luxembourg-is-happy-with-microsofts-data-protectionNov 20 05:43
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Luxembourg is happy with Microsoft's data protection    - The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/g2fku ]Nov 20 05:43
MinceRHow many Marxists does it take to change a lightbulb?Nov 20 06:52
MinceRNone. The lightbulb contains the seeds of its own revolution.Nov 20 06:52
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3311989Nov 20 11:57
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Won't Be Powered By Mir http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUxOTQNov 20 11:57
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Won't Be Powered By Mir  [ http://ur1.ca/g2d51 ]Nov 20 11:57
schestowitz"So beloved X is not ready to die yet:Nov 20 11:57
schestowitziophk: inaccurate headlineNov 20 11:57
schestowitzthe INQ chooses to santionaliseNov 20 11:58
iophkMir won't be in LTSNov 20 11:58
schestowitz"Fairly predictable. I mean it's an LTS. I guarantee you they'll push it on 14.10 regardless of readiness."Nov 20 11:58
schestowitziophk: Canonical won't be in it, eitherNov 20 11:59
schestowitz:-Nov 20 11:59
schestowitzUbuntu's short lifecycle causes problerms at workNov 20 11:59
schestowitza government client still uses 9.04Nov 20 11:59
iophkyes, it's almost uselessNov 20 11:59
schestowitzand the repos are not there, the CMS is almost imposible to run on a shadow box, but we tryNov 20 11:59
iophkLTS will be the only way to go, if it measures up.Nov 20 11:59
schestowitz4 nights of works in vainNov 20 11:59
schestowitzDebian has a lot longer when it comes to supportNov 20 12:00
iophkBut if it does not , people will just have to  go back to DebianNov 20 12:00
schestowitz5 years I think?Nov 20 12:00
iophkIt variesNov 20 12:00
schestowitzRHEL and others about 10 yearsNov 20 12:00
schestowitzSUSE also expanded to 10Nov 20 12:00
schestowitzDebian is our in-house standardNov 20 12:00
schestowitzused by defauly everywhereNov 20 12:00
schestowitzsome get taken by the ubuntu hype among he clientNov 20 12:00
schestowitzand they pay dearly for itNov 20 12:00
iophkDebian is about 3 years on averageNov 20 12:01
iophkUpgrade is better with a clean install I thinkNov 20 12:01
iophkI think the only support one release back from -stableNov 20 12:03
iophkNot sure.Nov 20 12:03
iophkTheir pages have little support info.Nov 20 12:03
iophkOpenBSD has a steady release cycle, which is about mandatory, but the upgrades are reliable.Nov 20 12:04
iophkThere's a new 3rd party support option: http://www.mtier.org/news/openbsd-ports-lt-support/Nov 20 12:06
TechrightsBot-trwww.mtier.org | OpenBSD Ports Long Term Support » M:Tier  [ http://ur1.ca/g2h0b ]Nov 20 12:06
iophkBut that only buys you 6 months to a year.Nov 20 12:06
iophkDebian Lenny was supported for 2 yearsNov 20 12:08
iophkhttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny/Nov 20 12:08
TechrightsBot-trwiki.debian.org | DebianLenny - Debian WikiNov 20 12:08
iophkSorry.  3 yearsNov 20 12:09
iophk2009 - 2012Nov 20 12:09
iophkAbout the warranty period for low end equipment anywayNov 20 12:09
schestowitztheir upgrades are said to be reliableNov 20 12:10
schestowitzI never had issues wuth Canonical's either, except I needed to gtechnical kn owledge to make the machine bootable after the upgradeNov 20 12:10
schestowitzit wasn't so clean at allNov 20 12:10
iophkDebian is supported for about 3 years the previous 4 releases;Nov 20 12:15
iophkhttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleasesNov 20 12:15
TechrightsBot-trwiki.debian.org | DebianReleases - Debian WikiNov 20 12:15
iophkeachNov 20 12:15
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3313662Nov 20 12:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Will a shot of Android be enough to save BlackBerry? http://www.zdnet.com/will-a-shot-of-android-be-enough-to-save-blackberry-7000023331/ #android #linux or #meego could save #nokiaNov 20 12:46
schestowitz"Nah, they are toast."Nov 20 12:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.zdnet.com | Will a shot of Android be enough to save BlackBerry? | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2h4x ]Nov 20 12:46
iophkQNX was a good choice, technically.Nov 20 12:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307530Nov 20 12:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Capitalism and Unemployment  http://truth-out.org/news/item/20015-capitalism-and-unemployment "manage unemployment by reducing everyone's work week by 7.5 per cent"Nov 20 12:50
TechrightsBot-tr-> truth-out.org | Capitalism and Unemployment  [ http://ur1.ca/g28m4 ]Nov 20 12:50
schestowitz"@Jesse - All your suggestions are good and valid. I would love to see them all implemented. Things like this will generally face a tough battle though, precisely because, while good for human health and society, they are less efficient at producing capital, ergo groups with a lot of capital (and thus with money and power to spare) will likely oppose them. That's not to say it can't be done, or that we shouldn't try. We should. It's Nov 20 12:51
schestowitzjust that in a capitalist society, fighting against anything that resists more efficient generation of capital (regardless of it's social and moral good) will always be an uphill battle."Nov 20 12:51
iophkold - http://www.golem.de/news/standarddesktop-debian-ersetzt-gnome-durch-xfce-1311-102578.htmlNov 20 12:53
TechrightsBot-trwww.golem.de | Standarddesktop: Debian ersetzt Gnome durch Xfce - Golem.de  [ http://ur1.ca/g2h5q ]Nov 20 12:53
iophknot a final decision yetNov 20 12:55
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iophkhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/11/20/software-patent-reform-just-died-in-the-house-thanks-to-ibm-and-microsoft/Nov 20 14:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.washingtonpost.com | Software patent reform just died in the House, thanks to IBM and Microsoft  [ http://ur1.ca/g2hib ]Nov 20 14:10
iophkpretending that the problem is "bad" patents rather than software patents in and of themselvesNov 20 14:12
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MinceRhttp://loltheists.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/NdGT1.jpgNov 20 14:24
MinceRhmm... Book of Origin, you say? :>Nov 20 14:24
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MinceRhttp://loltheists.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/sand-people1.jpgNov 20 15:01
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Sosumihttp://www.flickr.com/photos/expd/7581697768/Nov 20 15:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.flickr.com | THE BERNANKE CRIME FAMILY (UPDATED) | Flickr - Photo Sharing!  [ http://ur1.ca/g2htu ]Nov 20 15:33
SosumilulzNov 20 15:33
MinceRhttp://loltheists.com/?p=3245Nov 20 15:44
TechrightsBot-trloltheists.com | A Priest mocks creationismNov 20 15:44
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msb__MAJOR MESSING WITH THE INTERNET!  http://allthingsd.com/20131120/how-somebody-forced-the-worlds-internet-traffic-through-belarus-and-iceland/Nov 20 16:12
TechrightsBot-trallthingsd.com | Someone Forced World Internet Traffic Through Belarus and Iceland - Arik Hesseldahl - News - AllThingsD  [ http://ur1.ca/g2i01 ]Nov 20 16:12
Sosumiand winamp will be no more after december the 20thNov 20 16:17
Sosuminever used it anyways and now, never willNov 20 16:18
iophkhttp://www.clementine-player.org/downloadsNov 20 16:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.clementine-player.org | Downloads | Clementine Music Player  [ http://ur1.ca/g2i16 ]Nov 20 16:20
msb__Wow, fancy!  I just use hierarchical directories and soft-links to organize my music, with a couple of bash scripts to help, and mplayer (which will play any format and record any stream) and xmms (for which I have a lot of equalizer specs stored) to play it.Nov 20 16:29
msb__...and google to look up lyrics.Nov 20 16:30
msb__...and mc in konsoles to select it to play.  Being paranoid, I prefer using very simple techniques instead of a complex program that could hiccup and delete everything, or develop a database fault that leaves everything unfindable.  Nov 20 16:35
iophk!google microsoft opensuseNov 20 16:40
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Microsoft and SUSE Renew Successful Interoperability Agreement ... | https://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.htmlNov 20 16:40
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - The Microsoft SUSE Alliance Website | https://www.moreinterop.com/Nov 20 16:40
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Microsoft and SUSE extend Microsoft's controversial Novell Linux ... | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-and-suse-extend-microsofts-controversial-novell-linux-pact/10164Nov 20 16:40
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - openSUSE:Novell involvement - openSUSE | http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Novell_involvementNov 20 16:40
msb__Yuck!  Well, it doesn't seem to have harmed the OpenSuse distro any (except for KDE4, which I don't use), and the latest version of OpenSuse still makes KDE3 available.  I don't know if any other distro does.  Nov 20 16:43
iophkIt's getting too much buzz from people that should know better.Nov 20 16:44
msb__Of course there's always the TDE fork of KDE3, for lots of distros:  http://www.trinitydesktop.org/Nov 20 16:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.trinitydesktop.org | Trinity Desktop EnvironmentNov 20 16:44
iophkThen also some of that marketing has to be coming from M$ Nov 20 16:44
msb__iophk: What, people claiming that MS connection to Linux is a good thing?Nov 20 16:45
iophkMostly ignorance of the problemNov 20 16:45
iophkand denial that it is a bad thingNov 20 16:45
msb__Well, I now have this linked from my Linux page, so I'm doing my part:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/MICROSOFTS_WAR_AGAINST_LINUX.htmlNov 20 16:48
TechrightsBot-trcosmicpenguin.com | MICROSOFT'S WAR AGAINST LINUX  [ http://ur1.ca/6f05a ]Nov 20 16:48
iophkmbs__: anything about M$ Suse?Nov 20 16:50
iophk"When people started taking MBA seriously, that was the beginning of the ruination of the American industrial society. "Nov 20 16:54
iophkhttp://home.online.no/~corneliu/mother1.htmNov 20 16:54
TechrightsBot-trhome.online.no | The Mother of All Interviews: Part 1  [ http://ur1.ca/g2i7d ]Nov 20 16:54
msb__In the WAR page?  No, but I can't pinpoint any harm that has actually resulted from it.  I was told by someone involved that the feature list for KDE4 was created by focus groups populated by ignorant MS users, hence its emphasis on more than 100 bling adjustments and lack of concern with functionality, but I can't find anything about that on the Web and my source doesn't want to be named.Nov 20 16:55
msb__So I just consider KDE4 to be crap and recommend that people not use it.  Although I do use a few of its apps, which are improved from the KDE3 versions.Nov 20 16:57
Sosumialso IBM and guess whatNov 20 17:02
SosumiM$ killed some patent reformNov 20 17:02
Sosumihttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/20/1834248/software-patent-reform-stalls-thanks-to-ibm-and-microsoft-lobbying?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitterNov 20 17:03
TechrightsBot-tryro.slashdot.org | Software Patent Reform Stalls Thanks To IBM and Microsoft Lobbying - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/g2i92 ]Nov 20 17:03
msb__Gack!  I though IBM were good guys.Nov 20 17:04
Sosumiin some countries lobbying is called is called bribingNov 20 17:04
msb__Question to Zappa: "How have you managed to avoid becoming an insurance executive?"Nov 20 17:04
msb__Sosumi: In all countries, among people who are conscious.Nov 20 17:05
Sosumi:)Nov 20 17:05
Sosumibut IBM is hardly any goodNov 20 17:05
msb__It did help Linux some years ago.Nov 20 17:06
SosumiI know, but because it also benefited themNov 20 17:06
msb__But I guess Big Iron is now eventually doomed, so IBM is getting desperate.Nov 20 17:06
Sosumione hand washed the other, no big deal, until it actually isNov 20 17:07
Sosumihow's big iron doomed?Nov 20 17:07
msb__Replaced by networks of PCs running Linux.Nov 20 17:07
Sosumistill big ironNov 20 17:07
iophkOr DragonflyBSD or QNXNov 20 17:08
iophkthose clusterNov 20 17:08
iophkbut the mainframe might still be more efficientNov 20 17:08
msb__Right, I should have said "cluster", not "network".Nov 20 17:09
Sosuminothing beats rack mounted servers when it comes efficiencyNov 20 17:09
Sosumiand IBM still makes thoseNov 20 17:09
iophkThey're doing a big push with PPC now.Nov 20 17:09
Sosumiincluding their niche of Power based racksNov 20 17:10
Sosumiwell, if they hadn't killed it in the workstation spaceNov 20 17:10
Sosumithey'd be in a better spot nowNov 20 17:10
MinceRapparently even ARM is coming to the server room nowNov 20 17:10
iophkYes at the low end or something.Nov 20 17:10
Sosumicaldexa and hp are doing thatNov 20 17:11
Sosumihp moonshot, I think that's the nameNov 20 17:11
Sosumiwhat we need, and I say in generalNov 20 17:12
Sosumiis a big war on x86Nov 20 17:12
Sosumiand intelNov 20 17:12
iophkget rid of bothNov 20 17:12
msb__It's like a seething pond of rapidly evolving protozoa.Nov 20 17:12
Sosumifor now, just to beat their shareNov 20 17:12
Sosumibut it seems that neither IBM nor oracle want to throw in workstation based on sparc or ppcNov 20 17:13
Sosumiwhich is plain sadNov 20 17:13
iophkIs it some kind of collusion?Nov 20 17:13
SosuminoNov 20 17:14
Sosumijust relaunch the sparcstations and the ppc thinkstationsNov 20 17:14
iophkApple turned coat and went x86Nov 20 17:14
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iophkthe PPC were better built I thinkNov 20 17:14
msb__Taiwan just keeps churning out good mobos for AMD and Intel CPUs.Nov 20 17:14
Sosumiapple couldn't even do the compiler right for ppcNov 20 17:14
iophkOracle could have been promoting Sparc but hasn't.Nov 20 17:15
Sosumithey were using a modified version of gcc which didn't include any of the ppc specific instructionsNov 20 17:15
Sosumiinstead you had to get the IBM compilerNov 20 17:16
msb__How much more bang for the buck would you get from PPC, Sparc, etc., than from X86-64?  Nov 20 17:16
Sosumialso XNU kind of chocked under extremly heavy loadNov 20 17:16
Sosumiso for apple going intel, probably was the best wayNov 20 17:16
Sosumisince they are just a computer marketing companyNov 20 17:17
SosuminowNov 20 17:17
msb__If it's only 2X, then it may not be worth making all the changes.Nov 20 17:17
msb__...to switch to RISC.Nov 20 17:17
Sosumiband for the buck... well, force intel to lower pricesNov 20 17:17
Sosumion the high end workstation cpusNov 20 17:17
Sosumisince they have no competition thereNov 20 17:18
MinceRis it still a computer if it isn't designed to do computing? :>Nov 20 17:18
msb__MinceR: ???Nov 20 17:18
Sosumicurrent macs aren't designed to do computingNov 20 17:19
MinceRcrApple products after the apple II, i meanNov 20 17:19
Sosumijust look at the buttplug pro, it doesn't even have a psu that can take the load of both gpus and cpu being heavily taxedNov 20 17:19
msb__Aren't high-end AMD cpus almost as good as Intel's?  I always get AMD.Nov 20 17:19
Sosumilet alone dissipating all the heatNov 20 17:19
MinceRi don't knowNov 20 17:20
SosumiI find it hard to source amd boards at my local suplierNov 20 17:20
Sosumilet alone cpusNov 20 17:20
MinceRit's been a while since i bought a desktop-class pc, except for the one passively cooled atom-based nettopNov 20 17:20
Sosumiit's always intelNov 20 17:20
MinceR(pc being x86, so not counting the raspberry pi :> )Nov 20 17:20
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MinceRi chose my laptops on other basis than cpu brandNov 20 17:21
Sosumi:)Nov 20 17:21
Sosumiwell I choose mine in a matter of them being free or notNov 20 17:21
MinceRi wish i could find suchNov 20 17:22
msb__I always go with ASUS mobos and AMD CPUs -- not the highest ones but about at the 75% range, so much cheaper, and perceptually pretty much the same.Nov 20 17:22
Sosumiit's easy, just look for an old P3, P4 or early core 1 laptopsNov 20 17:24
Sosumiat some computer graveyeardNov 20 17:24
Sosumiif all you need is pdf/djvu reader and the ability to do some light document editingNov 20 17:25
Sosumithose are enough at least for meNov 20 17:25
MinceRi don't buy used, especially not mobile devicesNov 20 17:25
SosumiI don't eitherNov 20 17:25
Sosumithat's why I get them at those places, freeNov 20 17:25
MinceR:)Nov 20 17:25
MinceRi thought you meant free as in freedomNov 20 17:26
msb__Sosumi: How do these graveyards run if they don't take in any money?Nov 20 17:26
MinceRi'm guessing it's practically garbage disposalNov 20 17:27
SosumiyeahNov 20 17:27
Sosumiit's like thatNov 20 17:27
MinceRit's cheaper to have someone take it away and use it instead of shipping it to the landfillNov 20 17:27
MinceR(and taking out the dangerous materials, if any)Nov 20 17:27
Sosumiexactly thatNov 20 17:27
msb__Great!  If they can run Linux, give 'em to schoolkids.Nov 20 17:28
Sosumiwell ofc they can run linuxNov 20 17:28
Sosumibut that'd be a lot of hassle to doNov 20 17:29
Sosumiand the folks at those places don't really careNov 20 17:29
Sosumiabout seeing which ones are working or notNov 20 17:30
Sosumisome might take away parts, if they happen to be macsNov 20 17:30
Sosumiand sell them at some inflated priceNov 20 17:30
msb__So another level of folks have to get a large number of the same computers and load one distro of Linux onto all of them.Nov 20 17:30
msb__Little mammals eating the dinosaurs' eggs!Nov 20 17:31
Sosumi500€ for a gt 7300 in second handNov 20 17:31
Sosumilast time I lookedNov 20 17:31
Sosumistill 200€ cheaper than newNov 20 17:32
Sosumiwhich makes it almost as expensive as a gtx 780 tiNov 20 17:32
Sosumiand the gt 7800 was selling for 900€ second handNov 20 17:33
msb__Free sounds better than 500 euro.  (Where's the euro key?)Nov 20 17:33
Sosumiand a 2nd hand cpu+cooler assembly for the quad g5 was a 1000€ second handNov 20 17:34
Sosuminew it's 1999€Nov 20 17:34
Sosumieven after 8 years laterNov 20 17:34
Sosumiand those were all spares for the powermac g5 quad of late 2005Nov 20 17:35
Sosumithat I happen to see the pricesNov 20 17:35
msb__These are for immersion video games?Nov 20 17:35
Sosumi*happenedNov 20 17:35
Sosumidepends on what you mean by immersion and games (probabilities like in game theory)Nov 20 17:36
msb__My old dual-core AMD plays 1920x1080 x264 movies fine.Nov 20 17:36
Sosumibecause the cooler on the quad g5 and dual 2.7 tended to leakNov 20 17:36
Sosumiand to make the matters worse, the psu sitted right beneathNov 20 17:36
msb__Liquid helium?Nov 20 17:37
Sosumiso you could expect a big spark sometime, somewhere in the futureNov 20 17:37
Sosuminever happened to me on my quad g5Nov 20 17:37
Sosumibecause I was intelligent enough to replace the pumpNov 20 17:38
Sosumiand actually, modded it with new ringsNov 20 17:38
msb__Freon?Nov 20 17:38
Sosumiand also replaced the tube fixersNov 20 17:39
Sosumisince those were gaining rustNov 20 17:39
Sosumiapple quality :PNov 20 17:39
Sosumino, liquid coolingNov 20 17:39
msb__Right, but what liquid?Nov 20 17:39
SosumiI don't knowNov 20 17:39
Sosumiall I know is that it was liquid, light green and corrosiveNov 20 17:40
msb__Fluorocarbon refrigerants should be nonconductive.Nov 20 17:40
Sosumino but those were condutiveNov 20 17:40
msb__Yikes!Nov 20 17:40
msb__Maybe to make big profit from repairs.Nov 20 17:41
Sosumiand crapple had the cooler manufactured by panasonic and delphiNov 20 17:41
Sosumithe laster delphi were the most durableNov 20 17:41
SosumiyesNov 20 17:42
msb__Never bought an Apple, never will.  All hype at double the price.Nov 20 17:42
Sosumibecause when that happened you had to replace the PSU, the bottom panel since it would get corroded by the liquidNov 20 17:42
Sosumiand the entire fan, radiator assembly with the 2 cpusNov 20 17:42
Sosumiand that made it uber expensiveNov 20 17:43
msb__Damn, what a racket!Nov 20 17:43
Sosumibut sometimes the board would get some spillsNov 20 17:43
Sosumiand that meant a new board tooNov 20 17:43
Sosumihttp://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/G5_CoolantLeak_Repair/Crud-on-Heatsinks.jpgNov 20 17:44
msb__With (AMD) x86, everything is modular.  Choose the best mobo, CPU, RAM, disk(s) from various mfrs.  They all work together.Nov 20 17:45
Sosumiand even then, the liquid would currode the heatsinkNov 20 17:45
Sosumiand start cristalizing outsideNov 20 17:45
Sosumiapple quality should be considered like methNov 20 17:45
msb__Just get a new heatsink with a big fan -- about $25.  Bigger spacing between the fins so easier to blow out the dist.Nov 20 17:45
Sosuminot even onceNov 20 17:46
msb__dustNov 20 17:46
SosumiI know that, but you're also in an issue with watercooled pcsNov 20 17:46
Sosumiso after the g5 scares back in the day, always checking for leaks and what nots after dessiding to actually mod the thingNov 20 17:47
Sosumiwell it's still works but not thanks to crappleNov 20 17:47
msb__My mobo has some kind of heat pipe but it's completely sealed and no pump.Nov 20 17:48
Sosumiit's just a heatpipe for conducting heatNov 20 17:48
Sosumimy board also has thatNov 20 17:48
Sosumibut with a fan on the endNov 20 17:48
Sosumiin order to cool both voltage regulators and the southbridgeNov 20 17:49
msb__Right, out where there's more room for it.Nov 20 17:49
Sosumiroom? as in spacing on the mobo?Nov 20 17:49
msb__Yep.Nov 20 17:49
Sosumimy board, asus rampage IV E is quite denseNov 20 17:50
Sosumiplus they try to shove as much as they can in that pieceNov 20 17:51
msb__Electronics work best if close together.Nov 20 17:51
Sosumiit depends, analog stuff is affected by emf if not proper shieldedNov 20 17:52
msb__My asus m2n-e is probably 6 or 7 years old.  Crashes about once a month now.Nov 20 17:52
Sosumibut high density means complexity and that can end with problemsNov 20 17:53
Sosumibut we're not comparing that to watercooled cpus on a crapple powermac from 2005Nov 20 17:53
msb__Physical complexity for cooling, but shouldn't be any more complex electrically, maybe less.Nov 20 17:53
Sosumibut I've never had any crashesNov 20 17:54
Sosumiand this build is going to make a year next monthNov 20 17:54
msb__Don't know if it's the CPU, mobo, or RAM.Nov 20 17:55
Sosumido some stress testingNov 20 17:55
Sosumito check the ramNov 20 17:55
Sosumiand then the cpuNov 20 17:55
Sosumiif it crashes, well you know the issueNov 20 17:55
msb__I figure by now I can get a new computer for the same price and about 8X the speed, so I'm not sorry.Nov 20 17:55
msb__Yeah.Nov 20 17:55
Sosumior you can buy the buttplug pro :PNov 20 17:57
Sosumiand watch it cringe when you max both gpus and cpuNov 20 17:57
Sosumior just laugh when maxed 2009 (got 2) and 2010 models completly mop the floor with itNov 20 17:59
msb__Although if it only drops a bit once a month running 24/7, I don't know if stress testing will even find it.Nov 20 18:03
Sosumibut is it hardware crash?Nov 20 18:04
Sosumilike when doing something the computer just shutsNov 20 18:04
Sosumior it freezesNov 20 18:04
msb__The screen strobes rapidly and KDE3 crashes out to the KDM login screen.  So I cycle the power.Nov 20 18:05
msb__It's usually when I'm running Firefox, which I abuse severely, but I don't know if Firefox can crash Linux.  Maybe it can.  Actually, I think some of the crashes have frozen or rebooted the computer completely.Nov 20 18:07
msb__Once a month is still so infrequent that it doesn't bother me too much.Nov 20 18:08
SosumiI use firefox with kd4Nov 20 18:09
Sosumibut never found any issueNov 20 18:09
msb__Just takes half an hour or so to set up all 20 virtual desktops with the konsoles/mcs pointed at the right directories with the right sort order.  I should really hack on konsole and mc to store their states so I can automate that.Nov 20 18:10
Sosumican't you just write a script with all that?Nov 20 18:10
msb__Sometimes I work up to five or six FF windows with 30 tabs in each.  Nov 20 18:10
Sosumithat's a lotNov 20 18:11
msb__If I make them save all that state and be able to restore it, then I could.Nov 20 18:12
Sosumimax I have all the time is 3 with a crapload of tabsNov 20 18:12
Sosumibut not to the point of 30 tabs eachNov 20 18:12
Sosumithe most 20Nov 20 18:12
msb__FF has definitely gotten more stable over the years.Nov 20 18:12
Sosumifirefox as an option to open the windows from the last sessionNov 20 18:12
msb__Try 50 tabs!Nov 20 18:12
msb__Oh yes, I always use that!Nov 20 18:13
Sosumithen you should be coveredNov 20 18:14
msb__I need to figure out how to open a konsole in a particular virtual desktop.  I guess the desktop-pager code should reveal that.Nov 20 18:14
msb__Yes, firefox gradually uses more cpu and ram and crashes about once every 4 to 5 days.  But I just restart it and all the windows and tabs come back.Nov 20 18:15
msb__I save the state file and bookmarks file every time for safety.Nov 20 18:16
msb__FF crashing has nothing to do with the once-a-month Linux crash.Nov 20 18:16
SosumiI see, but don't worry, firefox keeps a backup file on your home folder with the bookmarksNov 20 18:17
Sosumihidden awayNov 20 18:18
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msb__I think I've seen that, but if their's doesn't work, mine will.Nov 20 18:19
Sosumithat's ok, redundancy :)Nov 20 18:28
MinceRgnNov 20 18:33
SosumiOECD says crisis had positive health effectsNov 20 18:39
Sosumion obesity?Nov 20 18:40
Sosumierradicating it? perhapsNov 20 18:40
MinceRmaybe via starvationNov 20 18:41
SosumiOECD to nurembergNov 20 18:41
MinceRcheap food tends to be unhealthful, afaikNov 20 18:41
Sosumihttp://www.tsf.pt/PaginaInicial/Portugal/Interior.aspx?content_id=3544194&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitterNov 20 18:41
TechrightsBot-trwww.tsf.pt | OCDE diz que crise também teve efeitos positivos sobre a saúde - TSF  [ http://ur1.ca/g2j6x ]Nov 20 18:41
Sosumiindeed, but don't tell that to herr goebbelsNov 20 18:42
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307452Nov 20 18:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/15/richard-stallman-letter/ http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/spouse-of-a-stratfor-client/Nov 20 18:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> venturebeat.com | Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence | VentureBeat  [ http://ur1.ca/g28on ]Nov 20 18:46
schestowitz"True credit may only be given by our big publishing masters. Unofficial narratives are terrorism."Nov 20 18:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | ‘Innocent Until Proven Guilty’ Becomes a Thing of the Past | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g28oo ]Nov 20 18:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3313662Nov 20 18:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Will a shot of Android be enough to save BlackBerry? http://www.zdnet.com/will-a-shot-of-android-be-enough-to-save-blackberry-7000023331/ #android #linux or #meego could save #nokiaNov 20 18:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.zdnet.com | Will a shot of Android be enough to save BlackBerry? | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2h4x ]Nov 20 18:47
schestowitz"My money's on an "ex" Microsoft employee being named their new CEO in about a year, and a couple of years later, after slashing out anything to do with Android, that they get bought out my aforementioned, Microsoft."Nov 20 18:47
schestowitzFor patents...Nov 20 18:47
Sosumistratfor, how much I love not theeNov 20 18:48
Sosumiwhen was it 2010?Nov 20 18:48
Sosumiplus the HB Gary pwnageNov 20 18:48
Sosumistill shameful that someone is going to prison for actually liberating some information out of themNov 20 18:51
Sosumiinstead of having to read the "junk" they put outNov 20 18:51
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUyMDENov 20 18:56
TechrightsBot-trwww.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] UEFI Makes It Easy To Boot Rust Applications  [ http://ur1.ca/g2jbo ]Nov 20 18:56
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306578Nov 20 19:53
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: "Android is approaching Windows-like domination of the smartphone industry" http://linuxgizmos.com/android-smartphone-market-share-exceeds-80-percent/Nov 20 19:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Android: the dog caught the car. Now what? ·  LinuxGizmos.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g2awp ]Nov 20 19:53
schestowitz"So, in your opinion Roy, who do you think has the best chance? Jolla sounds nice, but not if their interface or other cruicial pieces ends up being proprietary. Really, I'd rather something that can run stock standard Linux apps or at the very least HTML5 as a first class app citizen."Nov 20 19:53
schestowitzKDEsNov 20 19:54
schestowitzKDE Plasma...Nov 20 19:54
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schestowitzgmNov 21 04:49
iophkheyNov 21 04:49
iophkhttp://www.zdnet.com/of-penguins-and-tuxes-the-linux-foundations-holiday-membership-drive-7000023443/Nov 21 04:57
TechrightsBot-trwww.zdnet.com | Of penguins and Tuxes: The Linux Foundation's holiday membership drive | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2m5b ]Nov 21 04:57
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/microsoft-sues-patent-troll-saying-it-broke-contract-to-license-mobile-tech/Nov 21 05:06
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Microsoft sues patent troll, saying it broke contract to license mobile tech | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g2m7h ]Nov 21 05:06
iophkhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/21/us-usa-google-schmidt-idUSBRE9AK03D20131121Nov 21 05:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.reuters.com | Google's Schmidt predicts end of censorship within a decade | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/g2m87 ]Nov 21 05:10
iophkhttp://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/20/kim-dotcom-obama-tppNov 21 05:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.co.uk | Kim Dotcom: the TPP 'proves' that Wall St and Hollywood own Obama (Wired UK)  [ http://ur1.ca/g2maa ]Nov 21 05:21
schestowitzMinceR: http://ur1.ca/g2mazNov 21 05:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Steve Jobs: #Apple founder a sexist bully, a skinflint and a liar says Chrisann Brennan, former partner http://t.co/zsVd4ezLXx #cultNov 21 05:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.telegraph.co.uk | Steve Jobs: Apple founder a sexist bully, a skinflint and a liar says Chrisann Brennan, former partner - TelegraphNov 21 05:24
schestowitziophk: http://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3318254Nov 21 05:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | Has Bill Gates al...  [ http://ur1.ca/g2mcw ]Nov 21 05:33
schestowitzmaybe credibility loss will help them stopNov 21 05:34
iophkIt's possible.  Nov 21 05:34
iophkI notice about Jobs that the articles keep coming, though it has been a few years since his death.  There must be many tens of thousands of them by now.Nov 21 05:34
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/amazon-to-lawmakers-keep-the-internet-open-limit-copyright-excesses-131120/Nov 21 05:37
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Amazon to Lawmakers: Keep the Internet Open & Limit Copyright Excesses | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g2mdl ]Nov 21 05:37
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/t/data-management/devil-in-the-details-of-oracle-postgresql-migration-231163Nov 21 05:38
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Devil is in the details of Oracle-to-PostgreSQL migration | Data management - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g2mdp ]Nov 21 05:38
schestowitziophk: thives want to be seen as those who are having their ideas 'stolen'Nov 21 05:43
schestowitz Ask Steve JobsNov 21 05:43
schestowitzgates' recent buddyNov 21 05:43
schestowitzas of lateNov 21 05:44
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MinceRblow didn't need "closed doors" to be a bullyNov 21 06:23
iophkhttp://www.ibtimes.com/jfk-assassination-just-who-was-lee-harvey-oswald-1474038Nov 21 06:38
TechrightsBot-trwww.ibtimes.com | JFK Assassination: Just Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?  [ http://ur1.ca/g2mo2 ]Nov 21 06:38
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iophkold - http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/09/16/ibm-again-pledges-1-billion-to-a-linux-effort/Nov 21 06:56
TechrightsBot-trblogs.wsj.com | IBM Again Pledges $1 Billion to a Linux Effort - Digits - WSJ  [ http://ur1.ca/g2msk ]Nov 21 06:56
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iophkhttp://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-wikimedia-cease-desist-wikipr-20131120,0,4207911.storyNov 21 08:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.latimes.com | Wikimedia Foundation sends cease and desist letter to Wiki-PR - latimes.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nec ]Nov 21 08:58
iophk a followup on the sale of the headquarters : Nov 21 09:01
iophkhttp://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/nokia-leaving-the-building/Nov 21 09:01
TechrightsBot-trtechcrunch.com | Nokia’s Finland HQ To Become A Microsoft Site Next Year, After Devices & Services Sale  |  TechCrunch  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nf4 ]Nov 21 09:01
iophkkicked out of a building they once ownedNov 21 09:02
iophkperhaps even builtNov 21 09:03
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iophkhttp://www.renesys.com/2010/11/chinas-18-minute-mystery/Nov 21 09:22
iophkhttp://www.renesys.com/2013/11/mitm-internet-hijacking/Nov 21 09:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.renesys.com | China's 18-Minute Mystery - Renesys  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nj7 ]Nov 21 09:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.renesys.com | The New Threat: Targeted Internet Traffic Misdirection - Renesys  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nj8 ]Nov 21 09:22
iophk"since someone needs to pay for Microsoft's marketing campaigns, so why not you? "Nov 21 09:29
iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/21/microsoft_scroogled_store/Nov 21 09:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft: PAY US to wear and carry our anti-Google advertising merch • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nk9 ]Nov 21 09:29
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3318243Nov 21 09:43
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Kim Dotcom: the TPP 'proves' that Wall St and Hollywood own Obama http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/20/kim-dotcom-obama-tpp #obama and #biden bribed like CongressNov 21 09:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wired.co.uk | Kim Dotcom: the TPP 'proves' that Wall St and Hollywood own Obama (Wired UK)  [ http://ur1.ca/g2maa ]Nov 21 09:43
schestowitz"as if we needed proof"Nov 21 09:43
iophk"The US obviously has all the evidence they need to prosecute bankers. They just need to search their own spy database and then there you go -- 1,000 bankers in jail, a trillion dollars in fines. But it doesn't happen. "Nov 21 09:53
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schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20071023002351958Nov 21 10:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.groklaw.net | Groklaw - How to Get Your Platform Accepted as a Standard - Microsoft Style  [ http://ur1.ca/3ia92 ]Nov 21 10:33
schestowitz"Nov 21 10:34
schestowitzIt's important to keep in mind that tens of thousands of people are directly harmed by Microsoft's malice. 32,000 are people moving from one building to the other. That's a minor inconvenience but it gives us a scale outside of the millions of devices and billions of dollars of the business and software ruined. As is usual, "Victory" for Microsoft is the destruction of everything that's not Microsoft,Nov 21 10:34
schestowitzVictory. The developers, marketers, and managers of the competing technology give up the sinking ship, and interview for positions at Microsoft.Nov 21 10:34
schestowitz"Nov 21 10:34
schestowitziophk: URL?Nov 21 10:34
schestowitzFor the quiteNov 21 10:34
schestowitzquoteNov 21 10:34
iophkthe kimdotcom interviewNov 21 10:34
iophkaboveNov 21 10:34
schestowitztaNov 21 10:36
schestowitztweeterdNov 21 10:36
schestowitz*tedNov 21 10:36
iophkA trillion in fines would be a boost, putting a dent in the debt.Nov 21 10:37
iophkSo far the banskters have been subsidised.Nov 21 10:37
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3318264Nov 21 10:39
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google +++ http://img5.joyreactor.com/pics/post/csectioncomics-comics-youtube-feels-958395.jpegNov 21 10:39
schestowitz"Things that put Facebook in a positive light are probably Microsoft PR. What Google has done is wrong and it was probably a Microsoft executive that has the company acting this way. That does not mean there's a lack of force over at Facebook. In fact, Facebook used schools to grow which was a much greater extortion than a little bandwidth for a few videos.'Nov 21 10:39
schestowitziophk: i thought he low-bowled itNov 21 10:39
iophkCould be.Nov 21 10:39
schestowitzit can be several trillion, and as much as tendNov 21 10:39
schestowitzThey facilitate massive tax evasionNov 21 10:39
iophkUnderstatement for effect.Nov 21 10:39
schestowitzabout 32 trillion, based on a recent report from CanadaNov 21 10:40
schestowitzthew war does not lack moneyNov 21 10:40
schestowitzmoney can't be lackedNov 21 10:40
schestowitzit's disstribution of resourcesNov 21 10:40
iophkyesNov 21 10:40
iophkprioritizationNov 21 10:40
schestowitzclassic example is, super obese people in one country and dead babies (from hunger) in anotherNov 21 10:40
iophkdrone strikes on "militants" have a higher priorityNov 21 10:40
iophkhigh-fructose corn syrupNov 21 10:41
schestowitzto kee their heads downNov 21 10:41
schestowitzcontrol by fearNov 21 10:41
schestowitzor terrorismNov 21 10:41
schestowitzHere in Manchester I am more likely to hear anti-American hostility from a Brit than an Atab BritNov 21 10:41
schestowitzbecause Arab developed a sixths senseNov 21 10:42
schestowitzif they're seen as anti-American, then that automacially gets synonymous with "terror"Nov 21 10:42
schestowitzSo they're carefulNov 21 10:42
schestowitzOne guy i knew here and spoke a lot to came from AghanistanNov 21 10:42
schestowitzhis dead headed a socialist party in that nationNov 21 10:43
schestowitzand the UK paid him lots of money and gave him and his familty British passwordNov 21 10:43
schestowitz(portNov 21 10:43
schestowitzwhich killed his party, I guessNov 21 10:43
schestowitzUnderhanded tacticsNov 21 10:43
schestowitzYesterday I read in Wikipedia about LoasNov 21 10:43
schestowitzVery interestingNov 21 10:43
iophkLaos?Nov 21 10:43
schestowitzI guess it's clearer now why you'd never hard about that country and why the US bombed those nations by the thousands of tonsNov 21 10:44
schestowitzLaos is one nation I nevr hard about in the news, never met a person from there eitherNov 21 10:44
schestowitzLaos is big and has more citizens than Scandinavian countriesNov 21 10:44
iophkIt's a bunch of small countries / kingdomsNov 21 10:44
schestowitzPlus natural resourcesNov 21 10:44
schestowitzNow a Marxist nation led by military folksNov 21 10:45
schestowitzand not trhew US' military folks (thugs)Nov 21 10:45
schestowitzLike the same part of the hemisphere on the other side, Latin AmericanNov 21 10:45
schestowitzMillions of people in Vietnam killed by US intervention there, and for what?Nov 21 10:46
schestowitzJust for the idea that crap like TPP and US reaign by extension can take place in the whole regionNov 21 10:46
iophkWasn't Vietnam actually over a misunderstanding / misinterpretation?Nov 21 10:46
schestowitzMalaysia is strrting to sell out to the USNov 21 10:46
schestowitzTrying to be business-friendly to themNov 21 10:46
schestowitzIndonesia tooNov 21 10:46
iophkIndonesia is trouble.Nov 21 10:47
schestowitzBut Malaysia is close to leaving TPP talks..Nov 21 10:47
schestowitzVietnam was attacked based on flase pretextNov 21 10:47
schestowitzThe US media helped spread a lieNov 21 10:47
schestowitzAnd after lots of spraying of Monsanto chemicals they keep dyin gNov 21 10:47
iophkmisinterpretation / deliberate mininterpretation / lieNov 21 10:47
schestowitzMaybe 3 million dead now, but who counts? It's hard to count in long-term effectsNov 21 10:47
iophkcontaminated monsanto chemicalsNov 21 10:48
schestowitzmisinterpretation is the wrong termNov 21 10:48
schestowitzit implies the US misinterpreted somethingNov 21 10:48
iophktwo poisons for the price of oneNov 21 10:48
schestowitzLike pretending to confuse itselfNov 21 10:48
schestowitzand then saying, "oops, sorry, must have been a mistake'Nov 21 10:48
iophkdioxins for the people and long-term, agent-orange for the short-term and vegetationNov 21 10:49
schestowitzI think the slaugher in Vietnam is the US' biggestNov 21 10:49
schestowitzAnd now there's lots of news which helps support the theory abotu JFK getting taken out by CIA or its ilkNov 21 10:49
schestowitzHe planned to shut down or cut down the CIANov 21 10:49
schestowitzPerhaps they took him downNov 21 10:49
iophkpossible, but all the people are long goneNov 21 10:50
schestowitz!google fiery car crash article about cia chiefNov 21 10:50
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Journalist Michael Hastings Was Investigating CIA Director at Time ... | http://www.globalresearch.ca/journalist-michael-hastings-was-investigating-cia-director-at-time-of-deadly-crash/5346028Nov 21 10:50
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Journalist Michael Hastings Was Investigating CIA Director John ... | http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/13/journalist-michael-hastings-was-investigating-cia-director-john-brennan-before-he-was-killed-in-fiery-car-crash/Nov 21 10:50
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Journalist Michael Hastings was investigating CIA director at time of ... | http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/08/16/hast-a16.htmlNov 21 10:50
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Renowned investigative journalist Michael Hastings was working on ... | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2394278/Renowned-investigative-journalist-Michael-Hastings-working-story-CIA-Chief-John-Brennan-time-mysterious-death.htmlNov 21 10:50
iophksome records were never kept, others are still secretNov 21 10:50
schestowitzif soome are still secrets, then it won't help denialNov 21 10:50
schestowitzif anything, it serves to show what they would rather keep in "doubt" statusNov 21 10:51
schestowitz!google david kelly mi5 sealed 70 yearsNov 21 10:51
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Doctors claim cover-up over death of weapons expert Dr David Kelly ... | http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/doctors-claim-coverup-over-death-of-weapons-expert-dr-david-kelly-29426678.htmlNov 21 10:51
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Why I believe sinking of Belgrano made MI5 murder my crusading ... | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2371611/Why-I-believe-sinking-Belgrano-MI5-murder-crusading-aunt-A-death-surrounded-dark-coincidences-disturbing-belief-intelligence-chief-helped-mastermind-Falklands-campaign.htmlNov 21 10:51
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - MI5 spied on his sex sessions with Monica | Mail Online - Daily Mail | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-61501/MI5-spied-sex-sessions-Monica.htmlNov 21 10:51
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - JUDITH MILLER AND DR DAVID KELLY AND THE MISSING IRAQI ... | http://judithmilleranddrdavidkellyandwmd.blogspot.com/Nov 21 10:51
schestowitzI'd be dead when they fiinally release material about it, and that material is not necessarily factual, they could easily gabricate it by then... if anyone is still alive to even care about the declassificationNov 21 10:52
schestowitzOr demand itNov 21 10:52
schestowitzNo relatives of dead Iraquies leftNov 21 10:52
iophkthat may be their point with the JFK filesNov 21 10:52
iophkit will be harder in the future if M$ is still around.  There can be M$-induced data losses.Nov 21 10:53
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3318230Nov 21 10:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google to sell anti-Microsoft mugs http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/google-sell-anti-microsoft-mugs/16638 #google #microsoft #satireNov 21 10:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.muktware.com | Google to sell anti-Microsoft mugs - Muktware  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nm6 ]Nov 21 10:53
schestowitz"Yes, there's a satire tag in the comment. Muktware is making fun of Microsoft."Nov 21 10:53
schestowitziophk: there's no business model to keeping itNov 21 10:54
iophkMuktware is promoting M$ at the same time.Nov 21 10:54
schestowitzGoogle is at least making attempts to keeo data aroundNov 21 10:54
schestowitzDejaNews/SUENET, Cache..Nov 21 10:54
iophkYes, Google's model seems based on keeping it.Nov 21 10:54
iophk!google opensuse microsoftNov 21 10:54
schestowitzMicrosogft keeps 'innovating' office formats that deliberately break what predecessing versions produceNov 21 10:54
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - The Microsoft SUSE Alliance Website | https://www.moreinterop.com/Nov 21 10:54
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - openSUSE:Novell involvement - openSUSE | http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Novell_involvementNov 21 10:54
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Microsoft and SUSE extend Microsoft's controversial Novell Linux ... | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-and-suse-extend-microsofts-controversial-novell-linux-pact/10164Nov 21 10:54
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - SUSE & Microsoft | SUSE Alliance | https://www.suse.com/partners/alliance-partners/microsoft/Nov 21 10:54
iophkTR is a little further down that list.Nov 21 10:54
schestowitz4 out of 3 are MS/Novell sitesNov 21 10:55
schestowitzEither or bothNov 21 10:55
iophkYep.  M$ is good at spam.Nov 21 10:55
schestowitzmoreinterop is their siteNov 21 10:55
schestowitzset up by MS IIRCNov 21 10:55
schestowitzAnd Novell says "oook...."Nov 21 10:55
iophkThey may have inside help in Google though.Nov 21 10:55
schestowitzIt's Microsoft that makes money from those deals it tried to lure PHBs intoNov 21 10:55
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3318203Nov 21 10:56
schestowitz"It's funny, he expects things from Microsoft to work."Nov 21 10:56
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Word processors are no longer central to the computing experience" http://readwrite.com/2013/06/06/the-state-of-the-word-processor-html-compatibilityNov 21 10:56
TechrightsBot-tr-> readwrite.com | The State Of The Word Processor: HTML Compatibility – ReadWrite  [ http://ur1.ca/g2o2j ]Nov 21 10:56
schestowitz"It's funny, he expects things from Microsoft to work."http://www.tophosts.com/godaddy-revamps-linux-web-hosting-cpanel-whmNov 21 10:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.tophosts.com | GoDaddy Revamps Linux Web Hosting with cPanel & WHM - TopHosts  [ http://ur1.ca/g2o35 ]Nov 21 10:59
schestowitzf*  godaddyNov 21 10:59
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iophkhttp://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/524163/20131121/mcdonalds-advice-employees-mcresources-website-sell-possessions.htmNov 21 11:14
TechrightsBot-trwww.ibtimes.co.uk | McDonald's Tells Workers: Eat Less and Sell Your Christmas Presents - IBTimes UK  [ http://ur1.ca/g2o6d ]Nov 21 11:14
schestowitz"Unfortunately, using music doesn't really seem to be an option. I just don't think Richard Stallman singing his Free Software Song is going to get my three-year-old daughter interested in Linux."Nov 21 11:41
schestowitzBryan KEEPS attacking RMSNov 21 11:41
schestowitzand of course IDG lets him have aplatformNov 21 11:41
schestowitzTheir only 'FOSS' platformNov 21 11:41
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/node/84309Nov 21 11:41
schestowitzIDG isa  shamNov 21 11:41
TechrightsBot-trwww.networkworld.com | How to introduce Linux to your little kid  [ http://ur1.ca/g2oc5 ]Nov 21 11:41
schestowitzso many FOSS-hostile articleNov 21 11:41
schestowitzeven in their so-called 'FOSS' sectiondNov 21 11:41
iophkanti-FOSS sectionNov 21 11:46
iophkit's probably intentional.  Lure in people who don't know better about the magazine but want to learn about FOSS and then turn them off with a stream of negative articles.  Nov 21 12:06
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3319399Nov 21 12:34
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Ouya goes white with new limited edition, more expensive microconsole http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/18/5117704/ouya-limited-edition-white-console powered by #linux of courseNov 21 12:34
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theverge.com | Ouya goes white with new limited edition, more expensive microconsole | The Verge  [ http://ur1.ca/g2ooe ]Nov 21 12:34
schestowitz"Only problem is that they have a mob of angry funders on kickstarter.com and apparently not a good record of taking care of those people. Also if those funders are any indication, their hardware is iffy at best and their policies regarding "forced software upgrades" are worse than Apple's."Nov 21 12:34
schestowitziophk: https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403576573624078337 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403577153549529088Nov 21 12:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Not covering propitiatory software news isn't a mater of discrimination; it's a matter of covering what's future-proof, not a dying legacy.Nov 21 12:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Nobody deserves as much credit for shrewdly-disguised anti-FOSS venom as ZDNet/CNET (CBS) and *World (IDG). Tech disinformation channels.Nov 21 12:35
iophkyepNov 21 12:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403577697580118016Nov 21 12:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: If we were to believe IDG and CBS (PR disguised as news, for clients), #microsoft and #nokia would not dominate phones and #vista8 rock!Nov 21 12:37
schestowitz*nowNov 21 12:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403578586638352384Nov 21 12:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: How long before Dice (Slashdot/SourceForce) gets acquired and officially b0rgassimilated by a media conglomerate like CNET/Download.com was?Nov 21 12:40
iophkIt is already on the way.Nov 21 12:42
iophkLots of PR for M$ staff and projects.  Stuff that would have never been published in years past.Nov 21 12:42
schestowitzand MS softwareNov 21 12:45
schestowitzbound to GIMP and such..Nov 21 12:45
schestowitzin downloadNov 21 12:45
schestowitzvery CNET-likeNov 21 12:45
schestowitzverging on malwareNov 21 12:45
DaemonFCshared a link.Nov 21 14:04
DaemonFC2 seconds agoNov 21 14:04
DaemonFChttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/21/graphene-condom-safe-sex-bill-gatesNov 21 14:04
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Safe sex needed a new hero – enter Bill Gates and his graphene condom | Rhiannon Lucy Cosslett | Comment is free | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pbt ]Nov 21 14:04
DaemonFCI hope the graphene ones are more pleasant to use than the latex ones. They should be. I've heard that they'll only be one atom thick. They'll also be pretty much 100% tear-proof. Latex isn't awful about that, but approximately 1-2% have broken in my experience, and it leaves you wondering. If they could eliminate that, that would be awesome.Nov 21 14:04
DaemonFCI've actually heard people say that condoms aren't so bad. I hate them.Nov 21 14:05
DaemonFCI get those "super thin" ones. Those are a little better.Nov 21 14:06
Sosumiyada yada, I thought we were eunuchsNov 21 14:08
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iophkIt made the mainstream media: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/lg-claim-smart-tvs-grab-user-data-20959981Nov 21 14:10
TechrightsBot-trabcnews.go.com | LG Looking Into Claim Smart TVs Grab User Data - ABC News  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pd1 ]Nov 21 14:10
Sosuminot just LG and "smart tvs" do grab info of user's habitsNov 21 14:12
Sosumibut so do those "smart" dvd/blu ray playersNov 21 14:12
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Sosumias well video game consoles and tv provider boxesNov 21 14:13
Sosumialso with the new xbox, better not have sex on couch, M$/NSA may be watchingNov 21 14:13
Sosumisince kinect's microfone is ketp on all the timeNov 21 14:14
Sosumiactually it's nothing new,Nov 21 14:16
Sosumisince the ps3 transmitted stuff unencrypted, including credit card info and login credentials,Nov 21 14:16
Sosumithat it also sent all the info about your tv and receiver as well geo location, internet speed...Nov 21 14:17
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/lg-smart-tv-snooping-extends-to-home-networks-second-blogger-says/Nov 21 14:39
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | LG smart TV snooping extends to home networks, second blogger says | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pk8 ]Nov 21 14:39
Sosumisurprised? I'm notNov 21 14:39
Sosumisony does the same with their smart blu ray playersNov 21 14:39
Sosumiwathever their definition of "smart" isNov 21 14:40
Sosumiactually it should be replaced by snoopNov 21 14:40
iophkWhether "smart" phone or tv, the result is about the same it seems.Nov 21 14:41
Sosumiyou sir deserve a bottle of my best vodka for getting it :PNov 21 14:46
Sosumiwhen it says "smart" it means snoopNov 21 14:47
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3306032Nov 21 14:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/jolla-sailfish-os-phone-november-27-release/ #jolla #linux #nokia #meegoNov 21 14:50
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.digitaltrends.com | Jolla Sailfish OS phone released in Finland on November 27 | Digital Trends  [ http://ur1.ca/g23w8 ]Nov 21 14:50
schestowitz"I think Im going to be disappointed with the licensing, but I ordered it already. Its still a step forward... Right? Please say it is."Nov 21 14:51
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3319315Nov 21 14:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Valve—It Really Does Love Linux http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/valve%E2%80%94it-really-does-love-linux #valve #steam #gnu #linux #gamesNov 21 14:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.linuxjournal.com | Valve—It Really Does Love Linux | Linux Journal  [ http://ur1.ca/g2po0 ]Nov 21 14:52
schestowitz"I'm still waiting for a moment when Steam will not close itself after closing any Steam window with WM meanings."Nov 21 14:52
schestowitzon Jolla: "I hope they'll open up the UI and applications. They were ambiguous about future plans. You can always install fully open Nemo Mobile, and this would be the best device for it, since it's based on the same middleware."Nov 21 14:53
DaemonFChared a link via AlterNet.Nov 21 14:53
DaemonFC7 seconds agoNov 21 14:53
DaemonFCIt's like McDonalds is playing "Can you top this?" Soulless Mega-corporation Edition.Nov 21 14:53
DaemonFCNot even Walmart is that bad. Even Walmart stops after they hand you the paper telling you how to apply for Medicaid and Food Stamps.Nov 21 14:53
DaemonFChttp://www.alternet.org/labor/more-heartless-advice-mcdonalds-employees-sell-your-christmas-giftsNov 21 14:53
TechrightsBot-trwww.alternet.org | More Heartless Advice from McDonald's to  Employees: Sell Your Christmas Gifts | Alternet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pob ]Nov 21 14:53
schestowitziophk: and smart bombsNov 21 14:54
schestowitzthe "smart" is marketing termNov 21 14:54
schestowitzto help adoptionNov 21 14:54
schestowitzsmart bombs are very powerfulNov 21 14:54
schestowitznot preciseNov 21 14:54
schestowitzor smartNov 21 14:54
schestowitzyou can't see who's inside a house for exampleNov 21 14:55
schestowitzbut the legend of "smart" lives onNov 21 14:55
schestowitzif the explosion is big enough, bodies are damaged enough to be in-recognisable, hence "militant"Nov 21 14:55
iophkI suspect that the accuracy of the munitions is exaggerated.Nov 21 14:57
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3320034Nov 21 14:58
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Goodbye Mageia 2 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Goodbye-Mageia-2-402310.shtmlNov 21 14:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> news.softpedia.com | Goodbye Mageia 2  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pph ]Nov 21 14:58
schestowitz"Hello Mageia 3 and its beta 4!"Nov 21 14:58
DaemonFCYou should laminate your Social Security card. Thanks to the government's security theater (Social Security numbers were never designed to be secure) that's going on, you can only request a few replacements during your entire lifetime. In the meantime, the fucking credit bureaus are selling it to the criminals at the same time they're selling you "protection" (no criminal prosecutions over this), and Comcast demands that you give it to Nov 21 14:59
DaemonFCprisoners and people in foreign countries (their call centers) before you can sign up for internet access. Can anyone tell me that they're confident that their identity is secure? The only way to be safe from that is to ruin your own credit rating before the criminals get to it.Nov 21 14:59
DaemonFCa few seconds ago Nov 21 14:59
iophkhttp://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2156271,00.htmlNov 21 15:14
TechrightsBot-trcontent.time.com | The Secret Web: Where Drugs, Porn and Murder Live Online  - TIME  [ http://ur1.ca/g2psv ]Nov 21 15:14
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iophkproblem in AUNov 21 15:39
iophkhttp://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/it-pro/business-it/microsoft-wins-spot-in-school-curriculum-20131120-hv3n3.htmlNov 21 15:39
TechrightsBot-trwww.brisbanetimes.com.au | Microsoft wins spot in school curriculum  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pxb ]Nov 21 15:39
Sosumihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ILbUduwBkgNov 21 15:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Pick a Bale of Cotton - Lonnie Donegan - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pzf ]Nov 21 15:48
Sosumiwelcome to the plantation *cough* macdonaldsNov 21 15:49
iophkdigital anthrax for Brisbane thereNov 21 15:50
Sosumiand poortugal's debt to gdp predicted to be lower than 100% by 2025Nov 21 15:58
Sosumithey say ofc :)Nov 21 15:58
Sosumias for me it's the lost half decadeNov 21 15:58
Sosumi*centuryNov 21 15:59
Sosumi50 years just went of the windowNov 21 15:59
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Sosumiand when that time passes, I'll be 74 :(Nov 21 16:00
Sosumiand some of the folks here'll be deadNov 21 16:01
Sosumi:((((Nov 21 16:01
Sosumilet alone those that die in the middle thx to austerityNov 21 16:01
Sosumihey, OECD just said that the crisis was having positive effects on healthNov 21 16:02
Sosumiyeah, folks get to walk around leanerNov 21 16:02
Sosumibecause they don't have as much to buy foodNov 21 16:02
Sosumito nuremberg with the OECD and austerity goonsNov 21 16:04
Sosumibecause they're justifying the "final solution" on the middle class and poorNov 21 16:05
Sosumiin a sense it's class warfareNov 21 16:05
Sosumiplayed on the socio-darwinian model coupled with malthusian demagogyNov 21 16:05
MinceRgnNov 21 17:39
Sosumihttp://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsicnoticias.sapo.pt%2FLusa%2F2013%2F11%2F21%2Fpolicias-em-protesto-rompem-barreira-e-sobem-escadaria-da-assembleia-da-republica1Nov 21 17:54
TechrightsBot-trtranslate.google.com | Google Translate  [ http://ur1.ca/g2qhs ]Nov 21 17:54
SosumiPolice break up protest in barrier and climb stairs of Portuguese ParliamentNov 21 17:55
Sosumiyeah you're reading it rightNov 21 17:55
Sosumithey broke the barricade and went up the stairsNov 21 17:57
Sosumiwhat'll be next resignated cop vs compliant copNov 21 17:57
DaemonFCshared a link via Daily Kos.Nov 21 19:47
DaemonFC6 seconds agoNov 21 19:47
DaemonFC"We can save the science fiction reading for later." -George CarlinNov 21 19:47
DaemonFChttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/21/1257374/-Costco-labels-Bible-as-fiction-in-this-store-Pastor-goes-viral-for-wrong-reason?detail=facebookNov 21 19:47
TechrightsBot-trwww.dailykos.com | Daily Kos: Costco labels Bible as fiction in this store. Pastor goes viral for wrong reason.  [ http://ur1.ca/g2qwf ]Nov 21 19:47
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osOhBDl_9uINov 21 21:43
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | WALMART'S FOOD DRIVE - Tell Walmart: Decent Pay, Not Hand Outs - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g2rbp ]Nov 21 21:43
DaemonFCIt's nice to see the MSM paying attention to this.Nov 21 21:44
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3319080Nov 21 22:18
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft bribes for #astroturf http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/21/microsoft_scroogled_store/Nov 21 22:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft touts SCROOGLE merch: Hopes YOU'LL PAY to dump on rival • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/g2nk9 ]Nov 21 22:18
schestowitz"Microsuck does not has an iota of shame, really."Nov 21 22:18
DaemonFC[23:13] <DaemonFC> Here's an idea.Nov 21 23:23
DaemonFC[23:14] <DaemonFC> Use the money from selling weed to fund universal healthcare.Nov 21 23:23
DaemonFC[23:14] <DaemonFC> It would also drive the cost of healthcare down because it would make antidepressants and pain killers largely unnecessary.Nov 21 23:23
DaemonFC[23:15] <DaemonFC> I know someone who works in advertising. I asked him why the hell they advertise things like antidepressants, pain pills, and HIV medication.Nov 21 23:23
DaemonFC[23:15] <DaemonFC> People who are depressed already consume antidepressants.Nov 21 23:23
DaemonFC[23:15] <DaemonFC> People with chronic pain are already consuming pain pills.Nov 21 23:23
DaemonFC[23:15] <DaemonFC> People with HIV are already consuming anti-retroviral drugs.Nov 21 23:23
DaemonFC[23:16] <DaemonFC> He said that the point of the advertising was not to get customers, it was to influence the news that was being reported.Nov 21 23:23
DaemonFC[23:16] <DaemonFC> If you're a major customer for the advertising slots on the news channels and websites, they won't write negative stories about you because they don't want to lose that money.Nov 21 23:23
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IKE2lCoNqYNov 22 00:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Miley Cyrus - Wrecking Ball PARODY - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g2ry9 ]Nov 22 00:35
DaemonFC:)Nov 22 00:35
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQFO__JpTqcNov 22 00:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | PROPOSING TO MY GIRLFRIEND! - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g2rzp ]Nov 22 00:50
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iophkhttp://www.howtogeek.com/172987/revive-your-old-pc-the-3-best-linux-systems-for-old-computers/Nov 22 03:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.howtogeek.com | Revive Your Old PC: The 3 Best Linux Systems For Old Computers  [ http://ur1.ca/g2sfr ]Nov 22 03:03
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-gets-observer-status-at-world-trade-organization-131121/Nov 22 04:19
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | Pirate Party Gets Observer Status at World Trade Organization | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g2n86 ]Nov 22 04:19
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MinceRgeekingsNov 22 04:24
iophk" the 2008 Beijing games are believed to have cost around $40 billion"Nov 22 04:33
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/ioc-demands-2014-olympics-piracy-takedowns-blocks-within-minutes-131121/Nov 22 04:33
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | IOC Demands 2014 Olympics Piracy Takedowns & Blocks “Within Minutes” | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/g2syu ]Nov 22 04:33
iophkwhat a wasteNov 22 04:34
MinceRindeedNov 22 04:34
iophkwhich is it, DRM or privacy?  http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/22/tim-berners-lee-internet-privacy-surveillance-censorshipNov 22 04:35
TechrightsBot-trwww.theguardian.com | Tim Berners-Lee: UK and US must do more to protect internet users' privacy | Technology | theguardian.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g2sz4 ]Nov 22 04:35
iophk$40 billion to see who runs in a circle the bestNov 22 04:35
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/jailbreak-phone-go-jail-copyright-law-the-tpp-way-231331Nov 22 04:42
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Jailbreak a phone, go to jail: Copyright law, the TPP way | Cringely - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/g2t17 ]Nov 22 04:42
MinceRi wonder if the IOC gets government funding for its bullshitNov 22 05:39
iophkMaybe.  It helps create a little zone with heavy surveillance and defacto martial law.Nov 22 05:42
iophkBut otherwise it seems a money pit filled by government money.Nov 22 05:54
iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2308652/tim-berners-lee-warns-against-government-surveillanceNov 22 05:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Tim Berners-Lee warns against government surveillance- The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/g2tix ]Nov 22 05:58
MinceRwho will warn tbl against DRM?Nov 22 05:59
iophkDRM and freedom from surveillance don't really go together.Nov 22 06:00
roy_https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/403845575344263168Nov 22 06:30
TechrightsBot-tr@_Goblin: @schestowitz Hi! I can't log in to your site...may be an issue your end.  Changed my password but after login merely shows me as logged out.Nov 22 06:30
roy_https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/403845629241069568Nov 22 06:30
TechrightsBot-tr@_Goblin: @schestowitz I wanted to make comment on the above article.Nov 22 06:30
roy_I can try to reset the passwordNov 22 06:32
roy_https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/403848565497159682Nov 22 06:36
TechrightsBot-tr@_Goblin: @schestowitz I did that and now I've signed up again on the front page pending approval.Nov 22 06:36
roy_Drupal side or WordPress? The Wiki too has separate login (LDAP not used there)Nov 22 06:36
roy_https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/403850994817056768Nov 22 06:57
TechrightsBot-tr@_Goblin: @schestowitz I reset the password Wordpress and created a new account drupal side..Nov 22 06:57
roy_I'll approve th drupal account; getting about 100 reqs per day, all spammersNov 22 06:57
roy_done, approved (first approval ever)Nov 22 07:01
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roy_https://twitter.com/JorgeStolfi/status/403858503124545537Nov 22 07:15
TechrightsBot-tr@JorgeStolfi: Novell, Yahoo e Nokia, três exemplos da Microsoft infiltrando empresas para devorá-las: http://t.co/qjMIzDTNOY [v @schestowitz]Nov 22 07:15
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | The Danger of Microsoft Moles Still Largely Underestimated | TechrightsNov 22 07:15
roy_https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/403860562985353216Nov 22 07:40
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @schestowitz it harms people as well as marketsNov 22 07:40
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roy_https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/403922675484991489Nov 22 11:49
TechrightsBot-tr@_Goblin: @schestowitz cheers mate!  At least I can have some input in your articles (Its about all I have time for!) ...BTW Techbytes show is great!Nov 22 11:49
roy_still waitingf for the Goblin to record..Nov 22 11:50
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roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403828065740259328Nov 22 12:22
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Splitting Companies  http://t.co/mSJ4pk2H92 #rms #fsf #gnu #antitrust #microsoftNov 22 12:22
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Richard Stallman on Splitting Companies | TechrightsNov 22 12:22
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403828547439329281Nov 22 12:22
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: MATE to make it into Debian repositories http://t.co/GKrLHdyLYr #mate #debianNov 22 12:22
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.muktware.com | MATE to make it into Debian repositories - MuktwareNov 22 12:22
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403843830283517952Nov 22 12:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Microsoft Windows is a Trojan Horse for the NSA  http://t.co/GXq0E8W6EC #nsa #microsoft #windows #espionage #russia #iranNov 22 12:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Microsoft Windows is a Trojan Horse for the NSA | TechrightsNov 22 12:25
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403850893676015616Nov 22 12:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: The Danger of Microsoft Moles Still Largely Underestimated http://t.co/FRPukiDPPn #nokia #vmware #linuxfoundation #foss #blackduckNov 22 12:25
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403859199022886912Nov 22 12:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Microsoft’s Corruption of Schools: Using the State to Train/Indoctrinate Children  http://t.co/oKTONSx3kO #education #microsoft #australiaNov 22 12:26
roy_https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/403935863572533248Nov 22 12:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Microsoft’s Corruption of Schools: Using the State to Train/Indoctrinate Children | TechrightsNov 22 12:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Microsoft Takes #AstroTurfing to New Levels, Co-opting Grassroots and Bribing People http://t.co/v8qYjksdxZ #microsoftNov 22 12:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Microsoft Takes AstroTurfing to New Levels, Co-opting Grassroots and Bribing People | TechrightsNov 22 12:26
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sebsebsebiophk: MinceR yep it's outNov 22 13:40
iophk!google opensuse microsoftNov 22 13:41
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - The Microsoft SUSE Alliance Website | https://www.moreinterop.com/Nov 22 13:41
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - openSUSE:Novell involvement - openSUSE | http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Novell_involvementNov 22 13:41
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - SDB:TrueType - openSUSE | http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:TrueTypeNov 22 13:41
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - SUSE & Microsoft | SUSE Alliance | https://www.suse.com/partners/alliance-partners/microsoft/Nov 22 13:41
sebsebsebiophk: they don't care about thatNov 22 13:41
iophkThey better.Nov 22 13:42
sebsebsebiophk: they dont' care abot putting SKype on the remasters and Flash and all that to, as far as I knowNov 22 13:42
sebsebsebiophk: there were some isses yesterday to, which resulted in not getting to the meeting, since travel issues, which probably didn't really help  me get this inNov 22 13:42
iophknot being there = game overNov 22 13:45
sebsebsebiophk: hm  Suse alliance linNov 22 13:45
sebsebsebiophk: I thik even if I had been there, they would have out votedNov 22 13:46
sebsebsebiophk: oh and yeah having a Grub theme  got acceptedNov 22 13:47
sebsebsebso I guess they may want to hteme more than just thatNov 22 13:47
sebsebsebthe default background etcNov 22 13:47
sebsebsebiophk: yep all the distros except for mine, and no cut down as wellNov 22 13:50
sebsebsebso much for trying to do an inclusive propsal aye etc?Nov 22 13:50
sebsebsebno GNOME 3 Shell this means as well, but Unity is inNov 22 13:51
sebsebsebiophk: ,but life goes on etcNov 22 13:51
iophkyepNov 22 13:51
iophknow what about that installfest instead?Nov 22 13:51
sebsebsebI don't think any of them have used this distro anywayNov 22 13:52
sebsebsebiophk: I had the hardest sale really,  that distro, plus GNOME, and meaning all fourNov 22 13:52
sebsebsebwhen they only really wanted 2 or 3Nov 22 13:52
sebsebsebiophk: by doing propals for all four optoins I  think if I had  been there or not, I would have been out votedNov 22 13:53
sebsebsebstill my idea was a nice idea, two WIndow like interfaces, and two something elses'sNov 22 13:54
sebsebsebiophk: to late to try and orgnaise an in stall fest, wn't get any volunteers for a seperate event now as wellNov 22 13:54
sebsebsebI expectNov 22 13:54
sebsebsebit's this or nothingNov 22 13:54
schestowitzhttp://blog.campact.de/2013/11/welcome-to-germany-edward-snowden/Nov 22 13:55
TechrightsBot-trblog.campact.de | Welcome to Germany, Edward Snowden! | Campact Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/g2wl0 ]Nov 22 13:55
sebsebsebiophk: they want to pre install loads of stuff and do a theme,  it's more about  trying to get people off Windows, and adveritsing the LUGNov 22 13:55
sebsebsebiophk: than advertising the actsual interfaces or ditro's that are usedNov 22 13:55
sebsebsebiophk: hmm maybe I should have put proposals in earier or tried to as wellNov 22 14:10
iophkyes, much earlierNov 22 14:10
sebsebsebor  if there's a next timeNov 22 14:10
sebsebsebI had issues wit the whole systemNov 22 14:10
sebsebsebhow he wnated things done, but if this is done again, I know the  way to do thingsNov 22 14:10
sebsebsebiophk: the one I thought would winNov 22 14:11
sebsebsebwon Nov 22 14:11
sebsebsebthe proposalNov 22 14:11
sebsebsebaltough they decided no cut down vrsionNov 22 14:11
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hinojosaHello Dr. schestowitz - are you about?Nov 22 14:38
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_GoblinBonjour!Nov 22 14:45
_Goblinand silence is golden...... I wonder...where's everyone gone?Nov 22 14:47
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_GoblinI think I'll try again later... :(Nov 22 14:49
_GoblinOh and hi Bilkie (when you read this)...hope everythings good.....Nov 22 14:50
MinceRhayNov 22 14:51
_Goblin:)Nov 22 15:00
_Goblinhi there!Nov 22 15:00
_Goblinhows things going?Nov 22 15:00
MinceRnot wellNov 22 15:03
MinceRthe public transport system of budapest is failingNov 22 15:04
_Goblinoh dear...Nov 22 15:06
_Goblincan't be any worse than the UKNov 22 15:07
MinceRdo they maintain the vehicles in the UK?Nov 22 15:12
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3322150Nov 22 15:14
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: MATE to make it into Debian repositories http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/mate-make-debian-repositories/16683 #mate #debianNov 22 15:14
schestowitzhinojosa: hiNov 22 15:14
schestowitz"@Сорокин Алексей - true, BUT ... they don't provide me with anything I can't achieve already it's kinda against the idea of using the basic WM, like i3/Openbox, whatever ;) But I DO APPRECIATE the fact that there will be even more choice. Actually, I find Nautilus/Nemo to be quite a good file manager, even though I usually use Thunar [got many scripts written around it. Would be hard to find good alternative]."Nov 22 15:15
MinceRwhen will xfce make it into the default gui install?Nov 22 15:15
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 500 @ http://www.muktware.com/2013/11/mate-make-debian-repositories/16683 )Nov 22 15:15
schestowitz_Goblin: which of the linsux ilk did you say lived around you?Nov 22 15:15
schestowitzI thought it was Sean Tilley until I realised he's actually USianNov 22 15:15
schestowitz"Nov 22 15:16
schestowitz@derrick, not everyone wants to live with Xfce.Nov 22 15:16
schestowitzAlso not everyone uses MATE only because they get used to GNOME 2. I didn't use GNOME 2, came to MATE from KDE.Nov 22 15:16
hinojosaDr. schestowitz - Hello. I am looking to get access to the Tux Machines site - is that possible?Nov 22 15:16
schestowitz"Nov 22 15:16
schestowitzaccess in what sense? User account?Nov 22 15:16
schestowitzSpammers rendered that feature dead a year agoNov 22 15:16
hinojosayes. If there is a way to register on the site, I'm not seeing it.Nov 22 15:17
hinojosaha.Nov 22 15:17
hinojosaspammers.Nov 22 15:17
schestowitzI can set up an account for youNov 22 15:17
hinojosarather, "damn spammers"Nov 22 15:17
schestowitzIM me your username/password of choiceNov 22 15:17
hinojosaexcellent - that would be appreciated.Nov 22 15:17
schestowitzSame issue in techrights BTWNov 22 15:17
schestowitzand wordpress side too, not just drupal and wikiNov 22 15:17
schestowitzWordPress still allows people to sub/registerNov 22 15:17
schestowitzand it works better against spamNov 22 15:18
hinojosanice.Nov 22 15:18
schestowitzwith drupal the spammers have wonNov 22 15:18
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307452Nov 22 15:18
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/15/richard-stallman-letter/ http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/spouse-of-a-stratfor-client/Nov 22 15:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> venturebeat.com | Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence | VentureBeat  [ http://ur1.ca/g28on ]Nov 22 15:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | ‘Innocent Until Proven Guilty’ Becomes a Thing of the Past | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g28oo ]Nov 22 15:18
schestowitz"That's their idea, but if we keep the Internet neutral and progressively more open and free, there're also chances to keep freed the information, and to counter their brainwashing."Nov 22 15:18
_Goblinschestowitz, I can't remember now...Nov 22 15:18
hinojosaAs you may have noticed form my whois data, I'm from SourceForge - I'm the community managerNov 22 15:18
_Goblinschestowitz, this is going back to around 2008Nov 22 15:18
hinojosaI noticed you syndicated the FossForge article and I wanted to see the commentary thereNov 22 15:18
_Goblinschestowitz, I think the person had "lord" or something similar in their handle.....I thinkNov 22 15:19
_GoblinMinceR, I think the UK transport system runs purely on British stiff upper lip....Nov 22 15:20
MinceRthat's already more than the one in budapestNov 22 15:20
MinceRwhich runs on incompetence, rust, fire and smokeNov 22 15:20
MinceRoh, also on disinterest and plain old hostilityNov 22 15:20
MinceRour transport company cares infinitely more about how to bother passengers and treat every one of them as a criminal than providing a service.Nov 22 15:21
MinceRfor our money, we get abused by hordes of barbaric ticket inspectors even as the vehicles catch fire and stop.Nov 22 15:22
MinceRand of course none of them knows what happened and what the company's doing to restore some semblance of serviceNov 22 15:22
MinceR(of course, the solution is "nothing")Nov 22 15:22
schestowitzhinojosa: FossForge?Nov 22 15:23
schestowitzSourceForge?Nov 22 15:23
hinojosalooking for the linkNov 22 15:24
schestowitzDice and others have not done any favours to the /. I once followed very closely, it would be nice if the F word (free) got used moreNov 22 15:24
hinojosasorry - fossforceNov 22 15:25
hinojosahttp://fossforce.com/2013/11/reddit-sourceforge-lynch-mob/Nov 22 15:25
TechrightsBot-trfossforce.com | The Reddit - SourceForge Lynch Mob - FOSS Force  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xag ]Nov 22 15:25
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3320210Nov 22 15:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In Soviet Korea (LG), TV watch YOU! http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/lg-smart-tv-snooping-extends-to-home-networks-second-blogger-says/Nov 22 15:25
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | LG smart TV snooping extends to home networks, second blogger says | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pk8 ]Nov 22 15:25
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schestowitz"US law and lawlessness puts a cloud over every company located in the US but there's a scale of trust and sensible measures to take. Red Hat is a free software ally but we must be careful to use free software the way it was intended and double check everything. Sucking down nVidia binaries is about as bad for your privacy as using Windows is. I think Jan understands that."Nov 22 15:25
schestowitzhinojosa: I wrote a lot about SF and /.Nov 22 15:26
schestowitzSome articles include:Nov 22 15:26
schestowitz!google slashdot techrightsNov 22 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Longtime Microsoft Booster Becomes Senior Editor at Slashdot ... | http://techrights.org/2013/07/11/slashdot-nicholas-kolakowski/Nov 22 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - More Grooming of Patent Trolls in Slashdot | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/06/24/james-logan-in-slashdot/Nov 22 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Microsoft Nick and Gaming of Slashdot: The Rise of the ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/07/28/nick-kolakowski-fud/Nov 22 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Dice.com-Run SourceForge and Slashdot Are a ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/11/09/dice-dot-com/Nov 22 15:26
hinojosaDr. schestowitz I'm happy to share your sentiments with our team - please feel free to email me your comments via d@slashdotmedia.comNov 22 15:26
schestowitz!google sourceforge techrightsNov 22 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - SourceForge - Techrights | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/SourceForgeNov 22 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Dice.com-Run SourceForge and Slashdot Are a ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/11/09/dice-dot-com/Nov 22 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - TechBytes Video: Richard Stallman on Wasted Votes | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/08/05/rms-on-wasted-votes/Nov 22 15:26
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Microsoft is Stealing… Open Source | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2008/05/29/stealing-furthe-rprogress-for-microsofts-attopen-source/Nov 22 15:26
schestowitzhinojosa: I can do this publicly hereNov 22 15:27
schestowitzseveral people in this channel share the sentiment; they were big /. fans, now very concerned about its turn to PRNov 22 15:27
schestowitzAnd some senior /. person privately told me the sameNov 22 15:27
schestowitzremember that managing a community is a paradoxNov 22 15:27
hinojosathe value of sending it to me is that I can more easily forward such sentiment to managementNov 22 15:28
schestowitzI met my boss for lunch today and he agreed when I said itNov 22 15:28
schestowitzCanonical has a 'community manager' alsoNov 22 15:28
schestowitzit's a paradoxNov 22 15:28
hinojosaindeedNov 22 15:28
schestowitzhinojosa: :-) you can copy-paste from hereNov 22 15:28
hinojosaone does not simply march into Mordor (and manage that community)Nov 22 15:28
hinojosa;)Nov 22 15:28
schestowitzsome slashdot staff is shown to have looked me up in linkedinNov 22 15:28
hinojosaI have opened all of the articles you posted hereNov 22 15:29
schestowitzWhich means they're aware that some people are sceptical of what's happening under the new management wingNov 22 15:29
hinojosaI'll make a reportNov 22 15:29
schestowitzwhich puts profit over communityNov 22 15:29
schestowitz!google slashdot profit 2013 diceNov 22 15:29
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Linux Format Magazine Team Quits, Launches New Profit ... - Slashdot | http://slashdot.org/story/13/11/15/186247/linux-format-magazine-team-quits-launches-new-profit-donating-magNov 22 15:29
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Linux Magazine Team Quits, Launches New Profit ... - Slashdot | http://beta.slashdot.org/submission/3119321/linux-magazine-team-quits-launches-new-profit-donating-magNov 22 15:29
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - StumbleUpon Claims They've Stumbled Onto Profits - Slashdot | http://slashdot.org/story/13/09/19/2141227/stumbleupon-claims-theyve-stumbled-onto-profitsNov 22 15:29
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Slashdot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlashdotNov 22 15:29
hinojosasome definitely view it that wayNov 22 15:29
schestowitzalso, tell them that grooming people of the trump type sends out the wrong messageNov 22 15:29
schestowitz /. has given the platform to the world's biggest patent troll, NathanM, who is BillG's friend (who also gets groomed in ./) -- VERY odd for what used to be a pro-FOSS site in the Malda daysNov 22 15:30
hinojosaNoted.Nov 22 15:31
schestowitzit's easy to sell one's assets for moneyNov 22 15:31
schestowitzLike Novell didNov 22 15:31
schestowitzPJ had an analogy for itNov 22 15:31
schestowitzShe could say she'd make money for selling her mother's bloodNov 22 15:31
schestowitzThat was around 2008Nov 22 15:31
schestowitzNovell bragged about making profits for liaising with Microsoft, but where is Novell after the community had it pay the price?Nov 22 15:32
schestowitzThe point is, Dice is devouring the credibility of /,Nov 22 15:32
hinojosaI am an OSS advocate. I am a bit silent here as I can only say so much. However, I am working hard to help the OSS community at SFNov 22 15:32
schestowitzUsing an ever-shrinking audience in an attempt to squeeze some profit by TRYING to change perceptionNov 22 15:32
schestowitz!google microsoft leaks manual evangelismNov 22 15:33
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - 66 Pages of Microsoft Evilness | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/02/08/microsoft-evilness-galore/Nov 22 15:33
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - How to Get Your Platform Accepted as a Standard - Microsoft Style | http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php%3Fstory%3D20071023002351958Nov 22 15:33
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Windows Phone update detailed in leaked screenshots, includes ... | http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/7/4703830/windows-phone-8-gdr3-screenshots-features-leakedNov 22 15:33
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Debugging Native memory leaks with Debug Diag 1.1 - MSDN Blogs | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tess/archive/2010/01/14/debugging-native-memory-leaks-with-debug-diag-1-1.aspxNov 22 15:33
schestowitz"Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input.  Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them.  Thus, you control mindshare!"Nov 22 15:33
schestowitz-Microsoft, internal documentNov 22 15:33
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdfNov 22 15:33
schestowitzit's easy to monetise like this; you lose the community while basically trying to squeeze the hoose for the golden eggs while they're still there, and that's why /. went downhill 5 years agioNov 22 15:34
schestowitzThe community manager might still be able to raise this concerns to the PHBs at the topNov 22 15:34
schestowitzThey're sacrificing the site for short-term goalsNov 22 15:34
schestowitzdevaluing the product, selling it out too quicklyuNov 22 15:35
hinojosaIndeed. I came here to get an account and I am also listening so that I can report appropriatelyNov 22 15:35
schestowitzre SF, the main issue is, there too one can see greedNov 22 15:35
schestowitzthe malware-like tacticsNov 22 15:35
schestowitzattaching unwanted downloadsNov 22 15:35
schestowitzYou then have BOTH downloaders AND developers on the runNov 22 15:36
schestowitzThey have many other optionsNov 22 15:36
schestowitzNot just SF/FreshmeatNov 22 15:36
hinojosahttp://sourceforge.net/blog/today-we-offer-devshare-beta-a-sustainable-way-to-fund-open-source-software/ & http://sourceforge.net/blog/advertising-bundling-community-and-criticism/Nov 22 15:36
TechrightsBot-trsourceforge.net | Today We Offer DevShare (Beta), A Sustainable Way To Fund Open Source Software  |  SourceForge Community Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xen ]Nov 22 15:36
TechrightsBot-trsourceforge.net | Advertising, Bundling, Community and Criticism  |  SourceForge Community Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xeo ]Nov 22 15:36
schestowitzAnd once you get bad publicity, e.g. from GIMP, you are seriously in trouble because other developers pay attention and take notesNov 22 15:36
hinojosathese provide the official lineNov 22 15:36
schestowitz"official line" is management speakNov 22 15:37
hinojosaI suggest that if you have questions about these, or need more in depth detail that it may be a good idea to interview RobertoNov 22 15:37
schestowitzsounds like the goals in Dice are short-term onesNov 22 15:37
schestowitzto secure managers' wages, they don't grok communityNov 22 15:37
schestowitzThey think in terms of "clients"Nov 22 15:37
schestowitzit doesn't work like thatNov 22 15:37
schestowitzThe suppliers are the developersNov 22 15:38
iophkMaybe it is like CMP and the goal is to wind it down over a few years and then pack it up?Nov 22 15:38
schestowitzand without suppliers they're left without clients (download, visitors, etc.)Nov 22 15:38
schestowitzGIMP is a top projectNov 22 15:38
hinojosaOur team is committed to serve the OSS community.Nov 22 15:38
schestowitzI downloaded the Windows version for my aunt in FL 10 years ago via /,.Nov 22 15:38
schestowitzCMP was horribleNov 22 15:38
schestowitzIt resorted to baitingNov 22 15:39
schestowitzhinojosa: yoursNov 22 15:39
schestowitzBut ewhose team are you with?Nov 22 15:39
schestowitzThe management of the community?Nov 22 15:39
hinojosaAs I noted earlier, I am the Community Manager at SourceForgeNov 22 15:39
schestowitzCommunity management, as in the case of jono, is like a two-faced roleNov 22 15:39
hinojosaIt can be a tough position indeed.Nov 22 15:40
schestowitzbridging altruism and greedNov 22 15:40
jonoschestowitz not sure I would characterize a company as "greed"Nov 22 15:40
schestowitzThe former group is sceptical and wary of the latter, and for good reasonsNov 22 15:40
schestowitzjono: depends which partNov 22 15:40
jonobut altrusism and commercial success is definitely tryueNov 22 15:40
jonotrueNov 22 15:40
schestowitzjono: some are judged professionally only by how m uch  profit they generateNov 22 15:40
jonoas many community folks don't understand that commercial success is important for Open SourceNov 22 15:40
hinojosajono, true.Nov 22 15:41
schestowitz2003-2004: worked for widget incorporation, helped increase profit by 300$Nov 22 15:41
schestowitz%Nov 22 15:41
schestowitzand then they leave it to burnNov 22 15:41
schestowitzLike people did with airliners and banksNov 22 15:41
schestowitzLooks good for them; for those who stay long term, not so much...Nov 22 15:42
schestowitzLook what Ubuntu's Amazon agreement did to the brand value, or perceived trustNov 22 15:42
schestowitzit just ain't worth itNov 22 15:42
schestowitzjono: I was in a FOSS conference that talked about this today, and it was generally agreed that companies now take control of much of FOSSNov 22 15:43
schestowitzdevouring community voiceNov 22 15:43
jonoschestowitz we...Nov 22 15:43
schestowitzand also increasingly take things proprietary-way without the community noticing or saying anythingNov 22 15:43
jonowell...Nov 22 15:43
schestowitzI'm talking about SquizNov 22 15:43
schestowitznot CanonicalNov 22 15:43
jonocompanies employ a significant amount of people who drive Open SourceNov 22 15:44
schestowitzAll sorts of weird "open source" companies that aren't reallyNov 22 15:44
jonothat is trueNov 22 15:44
schestowitzyesNov 22 15:44
schestowitzbutNov 22 15:44
jonobut I am not sure community voice is eradicatedNov 22 15:44
schestowitzthat comes with strings attachedNov 22 15:44
jonoit is in some casesNov 22 15:44
schestowitzlook at LFNov 22 15:44
jonobut that is not standard with companiesNov 22 15:44
schestowitzWho is ZemlinNov 22 15:44
jonoit is a balanceNov 22 15:44
jonoand it should beNov 22 15:44
schestowitzA branding professional, by training and tradeNov 22 15:44
schestowitzwho else? More PR folksNov 22 15:44
schestowitzWho pays? intel, IBM...Nov 22 15:44
schestowitzWhat do they do?Nov 22 15:44
schestowitzTPM, DRM, UEFI...Nov 22 15:44
schestowitzWhich the community does NOT work or needNov 22 15:45
schestowitzIBM lovvies for SOFTWARE PATENTSNov 22 15:45
schestowitz*bbNov 22 15:45
jonoschestowitz the Linux Foundation does not drive restrictive technologiesNov 22 15:45
schestowitzjono: it's a balance, and the community is going out of balanceNov 22 15:45
schestowitzgo to ubuntu ForumsNov 22 15:45
jonoit just reacts to themNov 22 15:45
schestowitzCount new threadsNov 22 15:45
schestowitzin 2008Nov 22 15:45
schestowitzand 5 years laterNov 22 15:45
jonoI know Jim ZemlinNov 22 15:45
jonohe is a good guyNov 22 15:45
schestowitzGo to SF or /. and you might see something similarNov 22 15:46
schestowitzjono: he's awesomeNov 22 15:46
schestowitzbut his role is defined by those paying his salaryNov 22 15:46
jonoschestowitz agreedNov 22 15:46
schestowitzand the LF is trying to raise money this xmas from peoplNov 22 15:46
jonobut the LF are not devoid of ethical standardsNov 22 15:46
schestowitzeyet over 90% of their income (I estimate) comes from  proprietary software giantsNov 22 15:46
jonoI have seen them enforce them first-handNov 22 15:46
schestowitzand it's a real problemNov 22 15:47
schestowitzbecause they're in steering committeesNov 22 15:47
schestowitzit's them who write strategy docsNov 22 15:47
schestowitzOIN is similarNov 22 15:47
schestowitzPeer2patent hardly survives because it doesn't lean towards corporations as much, it's more of a NY-based academic think, AFAIKNov 22 15:48
schestowitzBTW, the same is true for news sitesNov 22 15:48
schestowitzIf they're not already paid by the megacorporations, then they write in a way that would help lure them to fund or simply fall out of the gameNov 22 15:49
schestowitzSlashdot started writing origiinal sroties like thatNov 22 15:49
schestowitzIMHO, a move which perhaps hoped to attract a similar business modelNov 22 15:49
schestowitzwhile de-esphasising the communityNov 22 15:49
schestowitzso they hired writers, not just moderators, not careful to check their professional backround and convenctions which hardly represent the community'sNov 22 15:50
schestowitzhttp://redmonk.com/sogrady/2013/11/21/selling-software/Nov 22 15:55
TechrightsBot-trredmonk.com | The Difficulty of Selling Software – tecosystems  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xib ]Nov 22 15:55
schestowitz"The problem for Microsoft isn't that the PC ceased being the primary computing device. It's that you can't charge for software anymore."Nov 22 15:55
schestowitzThat;s BSNov 22 15:55
schestowitzDesktops are a hardware issueNov 22 15:55
schestowitzthe hw is too expensiveNov 22 15:56
schestowitzand the software requires that battery-eating messNov 22 15:56
schestowitzso it killed itself like the typing machine didNov 22 15:56
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/content/non-linux-foss-chrome-desktop-applications?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+linuxjournalcom+%28Linux+Journal+-+The+Original+Magazine+of+the+Linux+Community%29Nov 22 16:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.linuxjournal.com | Non-Linux FOSS: Chrome Desktop Applications | Linux Journal  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xlu ]Nov 22 16:15
_Goblintalking of hardware.......Bought a chromebook...fantastic piece of kitNov 22 16:16
MinceRdo you use it with chromeos, or something you've installed on it, or both?Nov 22 16:16
schestowitzgde33: Gratz!Nov 22 16:16
_GoblinchromeosNov 22 16:16
MinceRwhich model is it?Nov 22 16:16
_GoblinHP 14"Nov 22 16:16
_Goblinnice big normal screenNov 22 16:17
_Goblingood for taking away.Nov 22 16:17
schestowitzohloh promotion http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/get-more-juice-out-your-enterprise-code-base-code-searchNov 22 16:17
DaemonFCMinceR: I deleted someone from my Facebook and blocked them yesterday.Nov 22 16:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.linuxjournal.com | Get More Juice out of Your Enterprise Code Base with Code Search | Linux Journal  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xmb ]Nov 22 16:17
_Goblinand since I'm really only surfing and gdocs, it fits the bill perfectlyNov 22 16:17
MinceRis it passively cooled or actively cooled?Nov 22 16:17
DaemonFCThe guy was a total jerk and I just didn't see that right away.Nov 22 16:18
_GoblinpassivelyNov 22 16:18
_GoblinI assume....Nov 22 16:18
_Goblinthere's no fan I can hear chugging awayNov 22 16:18
MinceR:)Nov 22 16:18
_Goblinbattery life is good too...Nov 22 16:18
MinceRhow much battery life do you get?Nov 22 16:18
DaemonFCHe made a post about how he was so much more intelligent than everyone else, and that "common idiots" managed to get by while he was struggling (living off his parents and getting his HIV medication from the state).Nov 22 16:18
DaemonFCIt really set me off.Nov 22 16:19
_Goblindepends on the tasks.....general use, I'd say around 5 hours....maybe more I charge before it goes flatNov 22 16:19
MinceRicNov 22 16:19
DaemonFCSo before I deleted and blocked him, I quoted O'Neill from SG-1.Nov 22 16:19
DaemonFC"You know that bitter taste in your throat, that's sort of wrapping itself around your uvula? That's your pride!"Nov 22 16:19
ThistleWebmost chromebooks are ssdsNov 22 16:19
ThistleWeball except one of the acers I thinkNov 22 16:20
_Goblinit was the HP's 14" screen that sold meNov 22 16:20
DaemonFCI'll have $100 worth of Amazon gift cards shortly.Nov 22 16:20
ThistleWebssd is the notm for chromebooksNov 22 16:20
ThistleWebnorm*Nov 22 16:20
_Goblindon't buy a ps4 daemonfc from amazonNov 22 16:20
_Goblinthey can't package em properlyNov 22 16:20
DaemonFCI'll probably use that to buy a Nexus 5.Nov 22 16:20
DaemonFCIt should give me an unlocked one for cheap.Nov 22 16:20
DaemonFCIt beats getting into a contract and paying twice what the phone retails for in installments.Nov 22 16:21
MinceR_Goblin: how much did it cost?Nov 22 16:21
_GoblinI got mine £200Nov 22 16:21
_Goblintrackpad is crap...but then I always prefer mouse.Nov 22 16:21
_Goblinkeyboard is reasonable once you get used to itNov 22 16:21
MinceRand what's the screen resolution? google doesn't tell...Nov 22 16:21
iophk? 200 pounds / dollars / euro?Nov 22 16:22
MinceRi think it's poundsNov 22 16:22
_GoblinstandbyNov 22 16:22
_Goblin1600x900Nov 22 16:22
DaemonFCLike, you'll get a phone that retails for $300, but they'll charge you $50 up front and then another $20 a month for the next 24 months.Nov 22 16:24
DaemonFCSo you end up paying like $530 for the $300 phone.Nov 22 16:24
MinceR_Goblin: how warm does it get?Nov 22 16:24
ThistleWebat some point the resolution is something you can't tell for normal stuff, and it drains the battery quickerNov 22 16:24
DaemonFCT-Mobile has this plan where you get 100 minutes a month, but unlimited texts and data for $30 a month.Nov 22 16:25
*ThistleWeb waits for some smartphone maker to release a 4k phone in a 4" screen sizeNov 22 16:25
MinceR:)Nov 22 16:25
DaemonFCand you can connect your computer over the data connection and use up to 2.5 GB a month through tethering.Nov 22 16:25
ThistleWebcompletely pointless, and one movie takes your entire SD cardNov 22 16:26
DaemonFCSo I think that would probably be a good way to get rid of Comcast.Nov 22 16:26
MinceRwe'll have bigger sd cards :>Nov 22 16:26
DaemonFCThere's no overage charges, your tethered devices just get throttled after the 2.5 GB.Nov 22 16:26
ThistleWebtrue, but you wont spot 4k in a small screenNov 22 16:26
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ThistleWebyou'll be lucky to see it on a 22"Nov 22 16:26
_GoblinMinceR, never paid that much notice....Nov 22 16:26
DaemonFCAndroid phones have recently gotten to the point where I think you could do most of the stuff you could do on your computer with the phone instead.Nov 22 16:27
DaemonFCIt could end up saving me money.Nov 22 16:27
ThistleWebtrueNov 22 16:27
ThistleWebfor consumption certainlyNov 22 16:27
_GoblinHi GordonNov 22 16:27
_Goblin;)Nov 22 16:27
ThistleWebcontent creation is a different case, keyboards are kinda essensial at timesNov 22 16:27
ThistleWebo/Nov 22 16:27
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DaemonFCWell, I had no idea what Swype was.Nov 22 16:27
ThistleWebalmost won naNoWriMo for the 2nd yr in a row btwNov 22 16:28
DaemonFCDidn't even know you could do it until I saw someone using it a couple days ago.Nov 22 16:28
_Goblinexcellent!Nov 22 16:28
ThistleWebday 22, and I'm at 47,298Nov 22 16:28
DaemonFCYou can use Swype and type faster than I can do it using a keyboard.Nov 22 16:28
ThistleWebshould pass the 50,000 over the weekendNov 22 16:28
ThistleWebwith a week to spare :DNov 22 16:28
_Goblindon't though talk to me about writing...had a 15k rerewrite which is still not to the satisfaction of agentNov 22 16:28
_Goblinand I've lost two chapters as wellNov 22 16:28
ThistleWeblike the ent wives?Nov 22 16:31
ThistleWebdon't know where they wentNov 22 16:31
_Goblin:) No unfortunately I do know where they went...they were removed intentionally "Not integral to story, diverts reader into realms of confusion"Nov 22 16:32
_Goblinw*nkersNov 22 16:32
ThistleWebyeah that can happenNov 22 16:32
_Goblinmind you thats the 2nd book.....Nov 22 16:33
_Goblinthe 1st one is done......Nov 22 16:33
ThistleWebenjoying the whole writing thing then?Nov 22 16:33
_GoblinnopeNov 22 16:33
_GoblinI would, if it didn't have strings attached.Nov 22 16:34
_Goblindeadlines for starters.Nov 22 16:34
ThistleWebtampontasticNov 22 16:34
ThistleWeboh, those kinds of stringsNov 22 16:34
_Goblinall strings!Nov 22 16:34
ThistleWeblolNov 22 16:34
_Goblinmind you if Google and the NSA steal my work off my gdrive, I don't care....I don't own it anymoreNov 22 16:34
ThistleWebtake insperation from douglas adams "I love deadlines, I love the sound they make as they whoosh by"Nov 22 16:35
_Goblinunfortunately he had a little bargaining power, being an established authorNov 22 16:35
_GoblinI don't like the pressure a contract puts you under.Nov 22 16:36
_Goblinit changes the work from being a hobby to a jobNov 22 16:36
_Goblinergo - a choreNov 22 16:36
ThistleWebyeahNov 22 16:36
_Goblinin other news....talking about jobs...Nov 22 16:36
_GoblinI am taking early retirement from my profession next year.Nov 22 16:37
ThistleWebreally?Nov 22 16:37
ThistleWebwowNov 22 16:37
_Goblinyep.Nov 22 16:37
_Goblin15 years service. Ive done enough.Nov 22 16:37
ThistleWebwell, good luck to yaNov 22 16:37
_Goblinwe are moving to be nearer to relatives (wifes side)......Nov 22 16:38
ThistleWebbig changes thenNov 22 16:38
_GoblinI'll DM you since we have peeping trolls........Nov 22 16:38
ThistleWeblolNov 22 16:38
schestowitzcan retirement be taken this early?Nov 22 16:41
_Goblinwell....yes.....sort ofNov 22 16:43
_GoblinI've enough pensioned accrued and I've 5 years of other service to carry over...Nov 22 16:43
Sosumihttp://games.slashdot.org/story/13/11/22/2054203/john-carmack-leaves-id-software?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitterNov 22 16:44
TechrightsBot-trgames.slashdot.org | John Carmack Leaves id Software - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xqv ]Nov 22 16:44
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Sosumiid has been a sinking ship after doom 3Nov 22 16:45
Sosumiand I actually liked Doom 3Nov 22 16:45
Sosumibut the lack of new releases after that and no new quake arenaNov 22 16:46
Sosumionly to have Rage come "years" later...Nov 22 16:46
MinceRbut not to GNU/LinuxNov 22 16:48
Sosumibut his departure could mean no more "freeing" of the idtech engineNov 22 16:48
MinceRthey went anti-GNU/Linux before he leftNov 22 16:48
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Sosumiyes, that's why I said no more freeing of the idtech game engineNov 22 16:49
sebsebsebMinceR: Open Suse, Mint, and UbuntuNov 22 16:49
Sosumithey went full retard after selling to bethestaNov 22 16:49
MinceRi mean, it happened regardless of his departureNov 22 16:49
MinceRhm, when did they sell to bethesda?Nov 22 16:49
MinceRsebsebseb: the users have lostNov 22 16:49
Sosumitwo years agoNov 22 16:49
Sosumior soNov 22 16:49
sebsebsebMinceR: openSUSE Mint and UbuntuNov 22 16:49
MinceRsebsebseb: saw it the first timeNov 22 16:50
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah well that's what I have to go with now it seems, if going to continue iwth thisNov 22 16:50
sebsebsebMinceR: at last Ubuntu should get a nicer Grub  2 theme at least, and maybe more than just that :)Nov 22 16:50
sebsebsebI am no fan of the abugine look since it got first introducedNov 22 16:50
Sosumiit was actually expected, during the quakecon carmack was a bit contraditoryNov 22 16:51
Sosumicriticing opengl expandability and then praising it, among othersNov 22 16:52
Sosumiit seemed like the bethesda/zeni max goons were on his neckNov 22 16:52
Sosumisebsebseb, abugine?Nov 22 16:52
MinceRthey weren't so subservient to their publishers beforeNov 22 16:53
sebsebsebSosumi: yep the purple lookNov 22 16:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/StealThisSingul/status/403979357225373696Nov 22 16:53
TechrightsBot-tr@StealThisSingul: Report: Corporations use professional spies-for-hire to monitor and undermine nonprofits http://t.co/fwsI9tdmWZNov 22 16:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.rawstory.com | Report: Corporations use professional spies-for-hire to monitor and undermine nonprofits | The Raw StoryNov 22 16:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/404003503120850944Nov 22 16:53
TechrightsBot-tr@gnutelephony: @StealThisSingul @leashless such criminality also long practiced by #microsoft @schestowitzNov 22 16:53
Sosumino, that's why all their games eventually found their way to gnu/linuxNov 22 16:53
schestowitzMicrosoft is worse, it has infiltrators (who destroy), not just spies. #elopNov 22 16:54
sebsebsebMinceR: trying to be inclusive of it all got me oted out it seems, bu was worth a try anywayNov 22 16:54
sebsebsebvoted out aboveNov 22 16:54
Sosumiplus Carmack never lambasted linux, he just said it didn't treat them well in terms of the amount of sales they were gettingNov 22 16:54
SosumiMicrosoft behaves like a virusNov 22 16:55
sebsebsebMinceR: YAY for non my distro distros for an event heh heh,  I suppoue it's better  than not having an event like this at all thoughNov 22 16:56
Sosumiit's either assimilation or anihalationNov 22 16:56
schestowitz[21:55] <Sosumi> plus Carmack never lambasted linux, he just said it didn't treat them well in terms of the amount of sales they were gettingNov 22 16:57
_Goblinwhats the difference between incorporation and assimilation?Nov 22 16:57
schestowitztrueNov 22 16:57
schestowitztaken out of contextNov 22 16:57
MinceRsebsebseb: depends on how it proceedsNov 22 16:57
_Goblinjust a little word play...Nov 22 16:57
sebsebseb_Goblin: openSUSE,  Mint, and UbuntuNov 22 16:57
Sosumiin the contest he put it I don't think soNov 22 16:57
sebsebseb_Goblin: long time no see dudeNov 22 16:58
_Goblin:)Nov 22 16:58
_GoblinBonjour..Nov 22 16:58
schestowitzhttp://www.decryptedtech.com/news/happy-birthday-gnuNov 22 16:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.decryptedtech.com | Happy Birthday GNU  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xt7 ]Nov 22 16:58
sebsebseb_Goblin: Do you like openSUSE? :DNov 22 16:59
_Goblinnot used it....Nov 22 16:59
_GoblinIm a Chrome fanboyNov 22 16:59
_GoblinI supposeNov 22 16:59
Sosumilol chromeNov 22 16:59
ThistleWebthat'd be chromeOSNov 22 16:59
sebsebseb_Goblin: I think they think I am a Mageia fan boy,  and that could be why   that distro isn't in for this evet nowNov 22 16:59
sebsebsebor one of them, but ah wellNov 22 16:59
sebsebseb_Goblin: well some might think that I don't knowNov 22 17:00
_Goblinits that since I use google services so heavily Nov 22 17:00
ThistleWebI sooooo wanted to bend my workflow to suit a chromebook, I tried, I really tried, but it doesn't work for meNov 22 17:00
sebsebseb_Goblin: are you using the real Chrome? not chromium?Nov 22 17:01
_GoblinI'm talking about the Googly chrome browser front end on their chromebook Nov 22 17:01
sebsebsebah right okNov 22 17:01
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3324679Nov 22 17:01
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #LinkedIn is rapidly becoming the world's leading unsolicited mass-mail (spam) tool, used vs. people who get hammered based on affiliationNov 22 17:01
schestowitz"Word!"Nov 22 17:01
_Goblin"Word up brother"Nov 22 17:02
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3324990Nov 22 17:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: John Carmack is leaving id Software. Maybe he can start something more GNU.Linux-friendly?Nov 22 17:02
schestowitz"erm, is Carmarck himself linux-friendly? http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/169021-john-carmack-thinks-the-steam-machines-biggest-problem-is-linux "Nov 22 17:02
TechrightsBot-trwww.extremetech.com | John Carmack thinks the Steam Machine’s biggest problem is Linux | ExtremeTech  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xtt ]Nov 22 17:02
schestowitzThe report is junk, see his wording...Nov 22 17:02
sebsebsebschestowitz: your a great fan of openSUSE aren't you? :dNov 22 17:02
schestowitzThe report is junk, see his wording...  http://techrights.org/2013/10/24/carmack-words-warped/Nov 22 17:03
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | John Carmack’s Name is Once Again Misused to Bash GNU/Linux | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g2xu2 ]Nov 22 17:03
schestowitzsebsebseb: biggest fanNov 22 17:03
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sebsebsebschestowitz: yep so much so that you love wirting about it :d heh hehNov 22 17:03
MinceRyeah, selling winblows licenses with a console would have been less crazy, right?Nov 22 17:04
MinceRthis man has gone off the deep endNov 22 17:04
_GoblinSebsebseb - what was that distro you were working with a while back?Nov 22 17:04
sebsebseb_Goblin: still am to an extent, but  that's been out voted for an event helping orgniase uhNov 22 17:04
_Goblinwhats it called?Nov 22 17:04
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sebsebsebMageiaNov 22 17:05
sebsebseb_Goblin: ah well I suppouse I got the FOSDEM 2014 to celebrate the Mageia 4 final releae anyway and such :dNov 22 17:05
_Goblinare you sure? I thought it was Mint you were working with.Nov 22 17:05
sebsebsebthe plan is to release for FOSDEM 2014Nov 22 17:05
sebsebseb_Goblin: Mint what noNov 22 17:05
_Goblinmy mistakeNov 22 17:06
sebsebsebI have used Mint a bit, and helped out in the IRC channels here and thereNov 22 17:06
_Goblinits been a while...Nov 22 17:06
sebsebseb,but that's as far as it goesNov 22 17:06
sebsebsebit's ThistleWeb who used to apparnatlly help out a lot with Mint in IRC, and  use Mint loads Nov 22 17:06
_Goblinno..hang on...what about Mephis? did you help them out?Nov 22 17:06
sebsebsebnopeNov 22 17:06
_GoblinMandriva?Nov 22 17:06
sebsebseb_Goblin: dude you need to get back into geek land more,  ah right, but your you know, may not like that if you doNov 22 17:07
_Goblinsorry....Nov 22 17:07
sebsebsebthat's the catchNov 22 17:07
MinceRalso, the author of the article is cluelessNov 22 17:07
_Goblinmemory is fudgy...have so much stuff on, forgotten how many people I spoke with over the years.Nov 22 17:07
*sebsebseb is behind on tech newsNov 22 17:07
MinceRhe believes that "Linux" is about "aubergine color schemes and penguin logos"Nov 22 17:08
MinceRthis is a supposed tech writer?Nov 22 17:08
sebsebseb_Goblin: no it's ok, and the dude stuff is me joking with you a bit :DNov 22 17:08
_Goblin:)Nov 22 17:08
sebsebseb_Goblin: yeah I guess Techbytes is pretty much dead nowNov 22 17:08
sebsebsebschestowitz may still resurecte it sometmes from the dead thoughNov 22 17:09
_Goblinno...Nov 22 17:09
_GoblinRoy is doing some great work with RMSNov 22 17:09
_GoblinI've not had the time...I wish I did.....Nov 22 17:09
_GoblinI just don't like saying to Roy I could do a date then having to cancel.Nov 22 17:09
MinceR"the dominant mobile gaming platform will likely continue to be iOS" -- wtfNov 22 17:09
_Goblin?Nov 22 17:09
MinceRthis alleged tech writer also doesn't read news on market share statsNov 22 17:09
sebsebseb_Goblin: seems event at my LUG, there is GNOME 3 dislike hmmNov 22 17:10
sebsebsebah wellNov 22 17:10
sebsebseb_Goblin: do you remember all that :d,  the uhmm GNOME 3 eing made, then Mate and Cinnamon to and Ubuntu going their own way with UnityNov 22 17:10
_GoblinIve dipped out of the politics because of writing taking so much time up...Nov 22 17:11
sebsebseb_Goblin: now it's about things like Wayland andMir as well, or are you to out of things like this, to know what I am talking about :dNov 22 17:11
_Goblinwhich is why gdocs serves me so wellNov 22 17:11
sebsebseboh your writingNov 22 17:11
sebsebsebwhat are you writingNov 22 17:11
sebsebseb?Nov 22 17:11
_Goblinive a 3 book deal Nov 22 17:11
sebsebseb_Goblin: bingo polotics andLinux etcNov 22 17:11
_Goblinits fantasy comedy scifi.Nov 22 17:11
sebsebseb_Goblin: peoples opinions etcNov 22 17:11
sebsebseb_Goblin: I been thinking quite recently that things like this are very opinated, becuase of stuff that's been going onNov 22 17:12
schestowitz_Goblin: am free all weekendNov 22 17:13
schestowitznot working till Mon eve, so can record over thr weekendNov 22 17:13
sebsebsebschestowitz: _Goblin yep you two better hook up for a date then :dNov 22 17:13
_GoblinI would hope I can hook up.... I'm still doing a rewrite of 15,000 words...but I'll hope to get some downtime.Nov 22 17:13
_Goblinschestowitz, I'll speak to you privately regarding some personal changes which I don't want published in logs (where we are moving to  etc)Nov 22 17:14
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MinceR"how poor Android gaming devices have been received" -> links to an article discussing a single deviceNov 22 17:53
MinceRoh yeah, quality journalism from ziff-davisNov 22 17:53
DaemonFCI'm seriously considering getting a Nexus 5. It's not the cost of the phone that bothers me, it's how every carrier gouges for data plans.Nov 22 18:10
DaemonFCI thought household hard-line internet connection pricing was bad. Holy shit.Nov 22 18:10
DaemonFCFor the price of an unlimited data plan, you *should* get unthrottled 4G speeds all the time.Nov 22 18:11
DaemonFCThen again, for the price of cable you shouldn't have to deal with any caps. :)Nov 22 18:12
DaemonFCFucking Comcast wants people to pay $76 a month for cable internet, and then if you actually, you know, USE it, then they want you to pay for metered billing too.Nov 22 18:12
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DaemonFCI'm considering ditching my cable internet and replacing everything with a cell phone.Nov 22 18:13
DaemonFCIt's kind of difficult to lug a desktop PC around with you, so I have no internet connection at all if I go anywhere else.Nov 22 18:13
MinceRi have both a home connection and a mobile connection :>Nov 22 18:14
DaemonFCIt would be nice if they could make a phone that ran Fedora with KDE and had enough local storage to actually store things locally.Nov 22 18:14
MinceRthen again, hungarian telcos suck so no truly unlimited plan existsNov 22 18:14
MinceRonly "unlimited if you use the services we happen to like" plansNov 22 18:14
MinceRthen again, pretty much everything in hungary fucking sucks, so this shouldn't be a surpriseNov 22 18:14
MinceRgnNov 22 18:30
DaemonFChttp://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/police-beat-college-student-riding-bicycle-sidewalk-videoNov 22 18:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.alternet.org | Police Beat Up College Student for Riding Bicycle on Sidewalk (Video) | Alternet  [ http://ur1.ca/g2yg8 ]Nov 22 18:44
DaemonFChttp://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/11/20/246400702/this-is-what-america-s-school-lunches-really-look-like?utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=nprfacebook&utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebookNov 22 18:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.npr.org | This Is What America's School Lunches Really Look Like : The Salt : NPR  [ http://ur1.ca/g2ygp ]Nov 22 18:48
DaemonFCshared a link via NPR.Nov 22 18:52
DaemonFC6 minutes ago · EditedNov 22 18:52
DaemonFCBig Food is still dumping things that even fast food companies wouldn't serve into school lunches. I remember when I was in public school and it was a race to the cafeteria to get one of the chef's salads. This was WAY before Michelle Obama was telling kids to eat healthier. You wanted the salad because you knew what it was. They won't let students skip buying a meal, but many of them just toss it into the trash because eating it will make Nov 22 18:52
DaemonFCthem feel sick. Although, fewer students are doing that these days because eating something at school is their only guaranteed meal of the day in this economy.Nov 22 18:52
SnowleaksangeThe headmistress of the Indian school that authorities say served toxic lunches, killing 23 students, was arrested Wednesday, police said.Nov 22 18:54
_GoblinDaemonFC, re: school lunches....take a look at other countries....say... Uganda ....those people live in hunger and poverty, the US & UK don't know the meaning of the word.Nov 22 19:07
DaemonFCYes, but they're not rich countries.Nov 22 19:18
DaemonFCand the slop that they feed children at school here is embarrassing considering the total amount of wealth that exists hereNov 22 19:19
DaemonFCand roughly 24% of those students might not have food when they get home, which *is* a problemNov 22 19:19
DaemonFCYou'd expect a that a third world country where many people have HIV and malaria to have a hunger problem. It sucks that nobody is helping with that situation, but the rich are increasingly abandoning Americans too.Nov 22 19:21
DaemonFCThe idea of "foreign aid" is more or less a sham. Load them down with debt and occasionally send them a few pallets of "high protein biscuits.Nov 22 19:21
DaemonFCIt's basically a fig leaf that enriches the top 1% in countries like the US and UK.Nov 22 19:22
DaemonFCThe school lunch situation is basically a way for big food to unload crap that is unfit for retail sale, and getting the public to pay for it.Nov 22 19:23
DaemonFCLooking at what school systems feed kids now makes the stuff that they had when I was in school look like gourmet cuisine in comparison.Nov 22 19:24
DaemonFCAt least sometimes you knew what you were eating. :)Nov 22 19:24
DaemonFCIt's fucking embarrassing. They wonder why kids are becoming obese and having health problems which used to be associated with old age.Nov 22 19:24
DaemonFCWell, look at the shit they're eating. It's because it's cheap to make and they can force the public to buy it.Nov 22 19:25
_GoblinIts a point....however kids being obese is not a fault of 1 school meal a day its through parents and "I don't have time to cook properly" or "Real ingredients are too expensive".....both easily disproved.Nov 22 19:36
_GoblinBut then its having your cake and eating it.... People should only have kids if they can support them (and the math is not difficult)...the thing is today, these "parents" have kids then expect everything to be handed to them and helped....and why should someone else pay for my kids through for example school meals? If I buy a sports car will they pay the petrol? Of course not and people expecting others to pay for what they chose to have (in this case Nov 22 19:39
_Goblinkids) is out of order.Nov 22 19:39
_GoblinYou don't buy a sports car if you can't afford the fuel...it should be a no brainer that you don't have kids if you can't afford them.Nov 22 19:40
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DaemonFCyour sports car is not a human being that is starvingNov 22 20:31
_Goblinvery true...but then its about responsibility...if you have kids that you know you cannot afford, what does that say about parents....or what about parents that haven't planned financially? Thats where the car example is relevant...Nov 22 20:34
_GoblinI won't have  10 kids, because I know we can't afford 10.... if you can't afford kids, then as a responsible adult you should not be having them...but thats this world all over, nobody wants personal resposibility, its always someone elses fault.Nov 22 20:35
DaemonFCJeremy MillerNov 22 20:36
DaemonFCNovember 20 near Fort Wayne, IN via mobileNov 22 20:36
DaemonFCOmg I'm turning into my dad! I just fell asleep at a stop light .... lolNov 22 20:36
DaemonFCMe: I ran one a couple of days ago. I'm hoping that there wasn't a camera on that light, otherwise I'd better get ready to grab my ankles. Nov 22 20:36
DaemonFC_Goblin: The problem is that the parents are allowed to keep having more children to put on the system. Right-wingers want to basically force women to give birth in the name of protecting life, and then starving the children once they are here.Nov 22 20:38
DaemonFCSo their approach is not only evil, it's inhuman.Nov 22 20:38
DaemonFCHow do you protect life by forcing women to give birth and then starving the children?Nov 22 20:38
DaemonFCIt's not logical.Nov 22 20:39
DaemonFCAnd what did the children do?Nov 22 20:39
_GoblinThe problem is that the parents are allowed - Are you saying now its the fault of the government that people are not responsible enough to work out what they can afford...if a parent decided to bring life into the world and knew they couldn't afford it, what does that say about the parent?Nov 22 20:39
DaemonFCWell, the right-wingers and their war on birth control creates more children for them to starve.Nov 22 20:40
DaemonFCI don't see how any good person could get behind this.Nov 22 20:40
_GoblinThe governments are guilty of many things....however parents making silly decisions are not one of them...no money no kids....no money no car etc etc these are all no brainers.Nov 22 20:41
DaemonFCRight, but this anti-birth control policy is making the problem that they are complaining about even worse.Nov 22 20:41
DaemonFCIt's like pouring gasoline on a fire and then complaining that the fire is bigger than it was before.Nov 22 20:42
_GoblinBut you don't even have kids, so how do you establish what motives or drives a parent to have them?Nov 22 20:42
DaemonFCThey're fucking evil, *and* fucking stupid.Nov 22 20:42
DaemonFCIf you want to be fucking evil and fucking stupid, then join up with the Republicans.Nov 22 20:42
DaemonFCNo longer do you have to choose just one.Nov 22 20:42
_Goblinwhat by wieghing up if we can afford kids first, then saving, then having them? thats evil is it?Nov 22 20:43
DaemonFCThey're a big tent.Nov 22 20:43
DaemonFCThey get fucking evil, fucking stupid, and fucking crazy all in one group.Nov 22 20:43
DaemonFCWith lots of overlap.Nov 22 20:43
_GoblinSo am I evil then for saving money first before we had kids?Nov 22 20:43
_Goblinthats what I advocate, proper planning before taking the responsible step of having children.Nov 22 20:44
DaemonFCIf it's really all about the money, then you could see public funding for birth control as an investment that returns several hundred times more than it costs.Nov 22 20:45
DaemonFCIt turns out that we have these public programs because most people are revolted to see human suffering going on around them and decided to do something about it.Nov 22 20:46
_GoblinOf course its about the money....or do I expect other tax payers to do it for me? Are you saying I did wrong by preparing financially for kids before having them so I didn't have to take money from other people for my children... thats wrong is it?Nov 22 20:46
DaemonFCWell, you're mad at the parents, so you get revenge by starving their kids that they were forced to have?Nov 22 20:47
_Goblinno I'm not...Nov 22 20:47
DaemonFCA lot of people would say "Oh shit, I didn't mean to get pregnant!" and take a pill to end it.Nov 22 20:47
DaemonFCBut that's not good enough.Nov 22 20:47
_GoblinI'm mad at irresponsible parents who haven't planned financially for children, expect the state and people to support them and then complain when whats given is less than par.Nov 22 20:48
DaemonFCRight wingers see women who have sex as "whores" that require punishment (with children).Nov 22 20:48
DaemonFCThat's where their forced birth policies come from.Nov 22 20:48
DaemonFCThey really don't care anything for what happens to those children.,Nov 22 20:48
DaemonFCSo once you start to think like they do, then it becomes obvious where their policies came from.Nov 22 20:49
DaemonFCThey're religious lunatics.Nov 22 20:49
_Goblinok DaemonFC ..... I can see where this is going..... woe is me (or not you because you have no children) and its the government against the world...because of course all governments want a population of people who can't afford to live.Nov 22 20:49
DaemonFCThey see sex as filthy and amoral, so the children are the obvious punishment.Nov 22 20:49
_GoblinNext you'll be quoting Icke.....best of luck...I'm off to bed.Nov 22 20:49
DaemonFCWell, if the rich didn't want a permanent underclass, they wouldn't create one and keep it going.Nov 22 20:50
DaemonFCTheir goal is perpetual class warfare between the poor and the middle class.Nov 22 20:50
DaemonFCThe last thing they want is for the poor and middle class to get together, figure out that they only control a microscopic share of the total wealth, between them, and then bust out the guillotine and go after the bastards that don't do much of anything except own.Nov 22 20:52
DaemonFCTo the rich, it's good policy to have a few actual welfare queens around. This is intentional.Nov 22 20:52
DaemonFCIt gives them something that's really an exception that they can enrage the middle class against.Nov 22 20:53
DaemonFCIt suits their purposes, so a small amount of it is allowed.Nov 22 20:53
DaemonFCWhat we have now, right now, is a situation where most people are unable to escape poverty.Nov 22 20:54
DaemonFCEven if they are single with no kids and work full time, there's no escape.Nov 22 20:54
DaemonFCAt least, younger people have this massive problem.Nov 22 20:54
DaemonFCI don't know about you, but most of the people I know who are in their 20s and 30s have college degrees, student loan debt, and are working dead end jobs because it's what this economy is producing.Nov 22 20:55
DaemonFCMost of them really can't afford to buy anything, so the economy is continuing to collapse.Nov 22 20:56
DaemonFCThe rich don't care, because they have their own economy.Nov 22 20:56
DaemonFCAs long as they can continue buying $5,000 cheeseburgers and $75 ice cubes, and sending their own kids to their own schools,  they're happy.Nov 22 20:57
DaemonFCIf people really realized what was going on, there'd be an uprising like the French Revolution.Nov 22 20:57
DaemonFCThe rich are good at keeping a low profile about what they're up to, and using *their* media to provoke the middle class against the poor.Nov 22 20:57
DaemonFCI'm considering ditching this computer and Comcast and replacing it with a Nexus 5 with an unlimited data plan.Nov 22 21:09
DaemonFCI saw someone using a phone the other day and wondered why I have this huge thing that takes two minutes to boot up and can't go anywhere.Nov 22 21:09
DaemonFCI wonder why this personals site keeps emailing me with matches that include myself.Nov 22 21:34
DaemonFCOf course I'm a 100% match with myself.Nov 22 21:35
DaemonFC:PNov 22 21:35
DaemonFCHmm. I think we have a winner.Nov 22 21:57
DaemonFCSomeone invited me to go to see Mamma Mia with him next week.Nov 22 21:57
DaemonFCOK, recommendations from whoever is up to speed on this....Nov 22 22:13
DaemonFCBest Android phone? Preferably fast with lots of storage and has Android 4.4.Nov 22 22:13
DaemonFCI'm looking mostly at Galaxy S4 vs Nexus 5.Nov 22 22:13
DaemonFChttp://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/11/21/chris-farley-rob-ford-movie_n_4319144.html?ir=MediaNov 22 23:26
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.ca | Chris Farley 'Plays' Rob Ford In Fake Movie Trailer (VIDEO)  [ http://ur1.ca/g2zpu ]Nov 22 23:26
DaemonFC shared a link.Nov 22 23:37
DaemonFChttp://n.pr/1jssmtHNov 22 23:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.npr.org | What Can Atheism Learn From Religion?  : NPRNov 22 23:37
DaemonFCReligion is the worst part of spiritual belief. Now it can be the worst part of non-belief.Nov 22 23:37
DaemonFCWhen people give up their ability to figure things out for themselves, and conform to rigid thought patterns and group think, they lose a lot. When I was going to church, I heard something that still bothers me to this day. "This isn't a buffet. You don't pick and choose what to believe. You have to accept it all, or none of it.". In other words, you surrender your individuality, adopt absurdity, and become unjust. Isn't that what Voltaire Nov 22 23:37
DaemonFCwarned us about?Nov 22 23:37
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3324990Nov 23 02:01
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: John Carmack is leaving id Software. Maybe he can start something more GNU.Linux-friendly?Nov 23 02:01
schestowitz"Or restart his space exploration company? "Nov 23 02:01
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3318248Nov 23 02:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google's Schmidt predicts end of censorship within a decade http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/21/us-usa-google-schmidt-idUSBRE9AK03D20131121 #schmidt and #google currently censor. #hypocrisyNov 23 02:02
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.reuters.com | Google's Schmidt predicts end of censorship within a decade | Reuters  [ http://ur1.ca/g2m87 ]Nov 23 02:02
schestowitz"cough China cough"Nov 23 02:02
schestowitz"China is an interesting case. But Schmidt has a point: censorship could well be impractical at that point, particularly if the dark web becomes a bit more usable."Nov 23 02:02
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3323901Nov 23 02:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Turning Mozilla #Thunderbird into a Phoenix http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/11/turning-thunderbird-into-a-phoenix/index.htm #mozillaNov 23 02:03
TechrightsBot-tr-> blogs.computerworlduk.com | Turning Mozilla Thunderbird into a Phoenix - Open Enterprise  [ http://ur1.ca/g30nv ]Nov 23 02:03
schestowitz"<3 My Thunderbird. I have gigabytes of mail, more email addresses than I care to admit, calendaring through ownCloud, filters, popups, sync across multiple machines... and TB handles it beautifully."Nov 23 02:03
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3307452Nov 23 02:04
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/15/richard-stallman-letter/ http://techrights.org/2013/11/18/spouse-of-a-stratfor-client/Nov 23 02:04
TechrightsBot-tr-> venturebeat.com | Here’s Richard Stallman’s letter to Stratfor hacker’s judge demanding lesser sentence | VentureBeat  [ http://ur1.ca/g28on ]Nov 23 02:04
schestowitz"It seems that my G+ post is no longer flagged. https://plus.google.com/u/0/113579520393333767984/posts/DzAgkQx1KDh I have not seen an explanation."Nov 23 02:04
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | ‘Innocent Until Proven Guilty’ Becomes a Thing of the Past | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/g28oo ]Nov 23 02:04
TechrightsBot-trplus.google.com | Will Hill - Google+ - RMS sensibly requested community service for Jermey Hammond…  [ http://ur1.ca/g30o5 ]Nov 23 02:04
schestowitzwhat BS: http://thevarguy.com/cloud-computing-channel-partner-program/aws-amazon-cloud-new-windows-serverNov 23 02:11
TechrightsBot-trthevarguy.com | AWS: Amazon Cloud is the New Windows Server | Cloud Computing Channel Partner Program content from The VAR GuyNov 23 02:11
oiaohmschestowitz: Not exactly BS.  Lot of the media is trying to work out how they will fit into the future world.Nov 23 02:12
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3325057Nov 23 03:29
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux-fueled networked DVR adds second tuner http://linuxgizmos.com/linux-powered-networked-dvr-gets-second-tuner/ #linux #dvrNov 23 03:29
TechrightsBot-tr-> linuxgizmos.com | Linux-fueled networked DVR adds second tuner ·  LinuxGizmos.com  [ http://ur1.ca/g31cr ]Nov 23 03:29
schestowitz"Personally I use Minix Neo X7: http://www.minix-europe.com/MiniX-NEO-X7-Android-42-Quad-Core-Smart-TV-Box_1 Super awesome little device! The future of computing, as it states on a box ... it really is awesome. Also, it's relatively cheap when commpared with other, similar devices [and it's NOT handicapped. It comes with full set of ports]."Nov 23 03:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.minix-europe.com | MiniX NEO X7 Android 4.2 Quad Core Smart TV Box, 134,90 €  [ http://ur1.ca/g31cs ]Nov 23 03:29
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3324534Nov 23 03:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: National security https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZqyffGCMAA1_eO.jpgNov 23 03:30
schestowitz"Eh? That looks like Andy Warhol..."Nov 23 03:30
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3319833Nov 23 03:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: What Android 4.4 KitKat will bring to your current smartphone http://www.techadvisor.co.uk/features/google-android/what-android-44-kitkat-will-bring-your-current-smartphone/ #android #kitkat #linuxNov 23 03:30
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techadvisor.co.uk | What Android 4.4 KitKat will bring to your current smartphone - Tech Advisor Blog  [ http://ur1.ca/g31d4 ]Nov 23 03:30
schestowitz"Yay. Now the entire home screen is part of the search app, which sends all your data straight back to Google. Progress!"Nov 23 03:30
schestowitzIf people say nothing, it'll only get worse over time.Nov 23 03:31
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3319458Nov 23 03:32
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: DOJ (J stands for justice) does not obey the law http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131120/10544925304/fisa-court-tells-doj-that-it-needs-to-explain-why-its-ignoring-order-to-declassify-surveillance-opinion.shtml how can criminals ever defend us from crime?Nov 23 03:32
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techdirt.com | FISA Court Tells The DOJ That It Needs To Explain Why It's Ignoring Order To Declassify Surveillance Opinion | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/g31dp ]Nov 23 03:32
schestowitz"Meh. They'll ignore that, too."Nov 23 03:32
oiaohmschestowitz: not exactly FISA can freeze bank accounts including the ones that do payrollNov 23 03:33
oiaohmschestowitz: mostly likely make up some bogus answer to give to FISA.Nov 23 03:34
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3325879Nov 23 03:35
TechrightsBot-tr@atomjack@diasp.org: > ----Nov 23 03:35
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.rawstory.com | Report: Corporations use professional spies-for-hire to monitor and undermine nonprofits | The Raw Story  [ http://ur1.ca/g31e9 ]Nov 23 03:35
schestowitz"<strong> <a data-hovercard='/people/da68a1f811b0f71e' href="/u/schestowitz" class='mention hovercardable' >Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)</a> </strong><sup> 23/11/2013 10:55:39</sup> Report: Corporations use professional spies-for-hire to monitor and undermine nonprofits http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/22/report-corporations-use-professional-spies-for-hire-to-monitor-and-undermine-nonprofits/ #surveillance <sub>via <a data-hovercard='Nov 23 03:36
schestowitz/people/0b0498e2475ba7a6' href="/u/willhill" class='mention hovercardable' >Will Hill</a><br /></sub> #classwar  "Nov 23 03:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3326064Nov 23 04:20
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Why do you trust that this secretive government is only killing "people who need to be killed"?" http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1311/S00205/debating-a-drone.htmNov 23 04:20
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.scoop.co.nz | Debating a Drone | Scoop News  [ http://ur1.ca/g31tv ]Nov 23 04:20
schestowitz"Nobody "needs" to be killed. NOBODY, (until I say so….) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erthun0Pauc "Nov 23 04:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | monty python stoning clip - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/g31tw ]Nov 23 04:21
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schestowitzrather counter-intuitively, SJVN suggests Google might buy MozillaNov 23 05:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jovinosumicity/status/404186808398778368Nov 23 05:44
TechrightsBot-tr@jovinosumicity: @schestowitz I hope not too. #mozilla #googleNov 23 05:44
schestowitzThey're competing in OSes and browsers, so it's unlikely to have materialiseNov 23 05:44
oiaohmschestowitz: ok SJVN is kinda wrong.Nov 23 05:47
oiaohmschestowitz: Mozilla is a foundation.Nov 23 05:47
oiaohmschestowitz: There is no way to sell Mozilla.Nov 23 05:47
oiaohmOnly thing google could do is pull funding from Mozilla and maybe it would go bankrupt.Nov 23 05:48
schestowitzOnce upona  time people used Windows while competing with MSNov 23 05:51
schestowitzNow you have many using Google Search and Android while competing with Google on search (e.g. MS staff) and in mobile, browsers, etc.Nov 23 05:51
schestowitz[10:48] <oiaohm> schestowitz: Mozilla is a foundation.Nov 23 05:51
schestowitzThat;s what I thought tooNov 23 05:52
schestowitzMaybe some commenters already pointed this out to himNov 23 05:52
DaemonFCThe Nokia Lumia is much cheaper.Nov 23 05:54
DaemonFC$126 for that vs like $400 for an Android phone.Nov 23 05:54
DaemonFCI guess the catch is that it's using Windows. :PNov 23 05:55
oiaohmDaemonFC: what phone are you comparing to.Nov 23 05:56
oiaohmDaemonFC: there are many 100 dollar phones with great specs.Nov 23 05:56
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oiaohmDaemonFC: the question I have is MS doing a bing with Nokia.Nov 23 05:59
oiaohmDaemonFC: ie under cost sales.Nov 23 06:00
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DaemonFCI might get Sprint.Nov 23 06:10
DaemonFCThey have a better price.Nov 23 06:10
DaemonFC$59 for a Galaxy S4 phone with two year contract.Nov 23 06:10
DaemonFCUnlimited text, data, and talk for $80 a monthNov 23 06:10
DaemonFCVerizon wanted like $99 up front for the same phone + $22 a month + $70 a month for unlimited everything.Nov 23 06:11
DaemonFCerr, T Mobile I meanNov 23 06:11
DaemonFCSo $12 a month more for the plan, and $40 more for the phoneNov 23 06:11
DaemonFCSo T-Mobile would cost $328 more for the two year term.Nov 23 06:12
DaemonFCI might get the LG G2.Nov 23 06:20
DaemonFCThat looks like a good phone.Nov 23 06:20
DaemonFCoiaohm: Is 16 GB enough storage for a phone?Nov 23 06:34
DaemonFCThe Nexus 5 doesn't have a microSD slot.Nov 23 06:34
DaemonFChow many apps can you install on that?Nov 23 06:39
schestowitzMinceR: http://hup.hu/cikkek/20130930/gnu_guix_0_4Nov 23 07:03
TechrightsBot-trhup.hu | GNU Guix 0.4 | HUP  [ http://ur1.ca/g336u ]Nov 23 07:03
oiaohmDaemonFC: really for me I like phones with SD slots.Nov 23 07:04
oiaohmDaemonFC: I have had a few phones completely die.Nov 23 07:04
oiaohmDaemonFC: please note I do IT and infrastructor.Nov 23 07:05
oiaohmDaemonFC: so I deal with company aquired phones.Nov 23 07:05
schestowitzhttp://www.howtogeek.com/172987/revive-your-old-pc-the-3-best-linux-systems-for-old-computers/Nov 23 07:05
TechrightsBot-trwww.howtogeek.com | Revive Your Old PC: The 3 Best Linux Systems For Old Computers  [ http://ur1.ca/g2sfr ]Nov 23 07:05
oiaohm DaemonFC ie about 80 odd.Nov 23 07:05
DaemonFCI was just wondering if 16 GB would be enough to install many appsNov 23 07:05
DaemonFCI think they only give 2 GB for apps, right?Nov 23 07:05
DaemonFCdoesn't sound like muchNov 23 07:05
oiaohmDaemonFC: 2 GB is quite a lot inside an android.Nov 23 07:06
oiaohmDaemonFC: thinking how many applications can be set to install majority in the data segment.Nov 23 07:06
oiaohmDaemonFC: android has the Linux nature where applications can be fragmented over many drives.Nov 23 07:08
schestowitzhttp://mostlysignssomeportents.tumblr.com/post/67840009692/liartownusa-apple-cabin-foods-no-8Nov 23 07:18
TechrightsBot-trmostlysignssomeportents.tumblr.com | Cory Doctorow: liartownusa:  Apple Cabin Foods No.8  [ http://ur1.ca/g33bd ]Nov 23 07:19
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sebsebsebiophk: MinceR oh Richard Stallman is going to love some of the pre installed apps they want Nov 23 09:59
iophkI hope at least jitsi is one of them.Nov 23 10:01
iophkFlash brings Windows-like insecurities.Nov 23 10:02
sebsebsebiophk: yep Flash with DRM is inNov 23 10:02
sebsebsebSKype is inNov 23 10:02
sebsebsebjitsi is inNov 23 10:02
sebsebsebetcNov 23 10:02
iophkThe bad apps should have click-through E ULA-like warnings when installing or being run for the first time.Nov 23 10:03
sebsebsebnope won't have that I guessNov 23 10:03
sebsebsebiophk: I am missing the normal meetng at the moment, I was a bit I may go I may not todyaNov 23 10:03
iophkSounds like this crew is out to prevent as much as they can.Nov 23 10:03
sebsebsebwhat do you mean by that?Nov 23 10:03
sebsebsebiophk: they are going to do a proper theme as well for it,  seems it's good I am out voted, I want to stick to offical artworkNov 23 10:04
iophkWell the good side is they won't spoil the image of the normal distrosNov 23 10:05
sebsebsebhow so?Nov 23 10:05
iophkIf they customize the appearance enough it won't look like anything else.Nov 23 10:05
sebsebsebwell yeah I suppouseNov 23 10:06
sebsebsebiophk: I think that's the idea to, to have loads of similarites between the three (not four bye mine)Nov 23 10:06
sebsebsebthe themeNov 23 10:06
sebsebsebandNov 23 10:06
sebsebsebpre installed appsNov 23 10:06
sebsebsebiophk: having mine withut the offical artwork , would have been a bit hmm, sinc that's the sort of stuff I care aboutNov 23 10:07
sebsebsebiophk: and have been inovled with  for feedback, the last two releasesNov 23 10:08
sebsebseband if you know any graphics designers pease let me know,  there are issues getting proposals for latest versionNov 23 10:08
iophkokNov 23 10:09
sebsebsebiophk: yeah I think your rightNov 23 10:09
sebsebsebabout the themeNov 23 10:09
sebsebsebI was a bit hm rather use offical artwork, but mine is out now anyway soNov 23 10:09
sebsebsebiophk: some people may want the offical thing installed I guess, but  I know what image they want, and I guess that could work for htisNov 23 10:09
sebsebsebiophk: seems it's easier for me now, I don't have to really try and push jitsi into the Magiea repo's  and things like thatNov 23 10:10
sebsebsebiophk: to prevent earlier, what did you mean in the context?Nov 23 10:11
iophkprevent mvement away from M$ and M$-style lifeNov 23 10:17
iophkbrbNov 23 10:20
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Sosumihttps://i.4cdn.org/k/src/1385220812297.gifNov 23 10:48
Sosumiwatch and laughNov 23 10:48
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SosumiDaemonFC, they're selling the galaxy note 3 here in PT for the same price of the LG G2Nov 23 12:02
Sosumihttp://www.pixmania.pt/smartphone/samsung-sm-n9005-galaxy-note-3-32-gb-preto-smartphone/21749757-a.htmlNov 23 12:04
TechrightsBot-trwww.pixmania.pt | SAMSUNG SM-N9005 Galaxy Note 3 32 GB - preto -  smartphone | Pixmania  [ http://ur1.ca/g358k ]Nov 23 12:04
Sosumiactually cheapersNov 23 12:04
Sosumi572€ of the note 3 vs 599€ of the G2Nov 23 12:05
Sosumihttp://www.fnac.pt/LG-G2-Black-Telemovel-Telemovel/a729149Nov 23 12:06
TechrightsBot-trwww.fnac.pt | LG G2 (Black), Telemóvel. Comprar na Fnac.pt  [ http://ur1.ca/g358q ]Nov 23 12:06
Sosumithe hypePhone goes for 799€ if you get the 32GB versionNov 23 12:06
Sosumiso for bang for the buck the note 3 is the champNov 23 12:07
Sosumithe nexus 5 isn't on sale yet in here so can't add it to the comparisonNov 23 12:08
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/michaellarabel/status/404249283248918528Nov 23 12:25
TechrightsBot-tr@michaellarabel: @schestowitz full screen ads generally show once per day per user and yield ~20x more revenue than conventional ads.Nov 23 12:25
schestowitzAll I'm trying to say is, some are truly annoyed by it. To the point of not wanting to access the site again.Nov 23 12:25
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MinceRschestowitz: HUP is full of m$ cultists and the likeNov 23 13:11
MinceRit's a shitty site, i rarely read itNov 23 13:11
DaemonFCI can't decide on a phone.Nov 23 13:45
DaemonFCThe LG G2 is nice, but they haven't said whether it will get the Android 4.4 update.Nov 23 13:46
DaemonFCIt'll be on the Black Friday sale for $50 if you get it from Sprint.Nov 23 13:46
DaemonFCThe Nexus 5 is nice .It's from Google, so obviously they'll be keeping it updated.Nov 23 13:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/michaellarabel/status/404318995630665729Nov 23 13:48
TechrightsBot-tr@michaellarabel: @schestowitz that's unfortunate but simply doing what is needed to be economically viableNov 23 13:48
schestowitzI know, that's the explanation I gave as well. Publishers, however, can't always relate to readers (and vice versa)Nov 23 13:49
DaemonFCI wonder if LG will upgrade the G2 to Android 4.4. If they are, I'd go with that.Nov 23 14:06
DaemonFCI've heard they've been bad about their updates though.Nov 23 14:06
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DaemonFCI can get the LG G2 for $20 with a two year Sprint contract.Nov 23 14:17
DaemonFCThat's a REALLY nice phone for that price.Nov 23 14:17
DaemonFCSprint is running an unadvertised special on Amazon.comNov 23 14:17
DaemonFCThe phone is normally like $150 after the subsidyNov 23 14:17
Sosumiwill LG snoop on all your files and network HDDs like they do with the tvs?Nov 23 14:19
Sosumisame question can be asked about other manufacturer's phonesNov 23 14:20
DaemonFCNo idea.Nov 23 14:20
Sosumiyeah :)Nov 23 14:20
DaemonFCThis phone has some nice hardware. They're getting to be quite fast.Nov 23 14:20
DaemonFC2.26 Ghz quad core Snapdragon 800. B-)Nov 23 14:20
SosumiI know the hardware, but, it doesn't convince meNov 23 14:21
Sosuminone of the phones available doNov 23 14:21
Sosumimaybe the nexus 5, because of it's pricing and open source androidNov 23 14:23
Sosumiand as also to do with the updatesNov 23 14:24
DaemonFCSprint tells me that when I activate the phone, it will update to Android 4.3.Nov 23 14:24
DaemonFCThe agent also says that Android 4.4 will be available soon.Nov 23 14:24
Sosumisamsung says they'll have kit kat on januaryNov 23 14:25
Sosumithat is all I knowNov 23 14:25
DaemonFCLG plans to release it next month.Nov 23 14:25
DaemonFCI guess I can use 4.3 for a few weeks.Nov 23 14:25
Sosumiwell niceNov 23 14:25
DaemonFCIt's not like it's a dinosaur. There's still people using 2.2 out there.Nov 23 14:25
DaemonFC:)Nov 23 14:25
Sosumithere's ppl still using 1998 cell phonesNov 23 14:26
SosumihintNov 23 14:26
SosumimeNov 23 14:26
Sosumibeen rocking a nokia 8210 nowNov 23 14:26
Sosumiit's very small and it does what it is supposed to doNov 23 14:27
Sosumibut I'm kind of looking for a new battery for my matrix phoneNov 23 14:27
Sosumihttp://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_8210-19.phpNov 23 14:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.gsmarena.com | Nokia 8210 - Full phone specifications  [ http://ur1.ca/g361x ]Nov 23 14:28
Sosumithis is the phone I'm using nowNov 23 14:28
Sosumino killswitchesNov 23 14:28
Sosuminor gps locatorNov 23 14:28
MinceRno gprs, no umts, no hspa, no lte, no tethering :>Nov 23 14:29
SosumiyeahNov 23 14:29
MinceRalso, no edgeNov 23 14:29
SosumiindeedNov 23 14:29
Sosumiit doesn't really matter when you carry a laptop with a 3g connectionNov 23 14:31
Sosumithat you can actually turn offNov 23 14:32
Sosumijust by ejecting the express card out of the laptopNov 23 14:32
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Sosumiand actually run an OS that you can trust/controlNov 23 14:33
iophkjust not the binary driversNov 23 14:33
iophkthose can contain anythingNov 23 14:34
Sosuminor the firmwaresNov 23 14:34
Sosumithose can also contain anythingNov 23 14:34
_GoblinSosumi, can I ask......how do you connect to the net?Nov 23 14:34
SosumiI use a machine just for thatNov 23 14:35
_Goblinright.....and an ISP I  assume?Nov 23 14:35
SosumiI do airgappingNov 23 14:35
Sosumiyeah, ISPNov 23 14:35
Sosumijust not mineNov 23 14:35
_GoblinDo you mind me asking what ISP?Nov 23 14:36
Sosumiat this moment it's ZONov 23 14:36
Sosumi*ZONNov 23 14:36
_Goblinand I assume you are subscribing to this service yourself?Nov 23 14:36
SosuminopNov 23 14:36
SosumiI'm not the subscriberNov 23 14:37
_Goblinok, but your not using it without permission I assume..Nov 23 14:37
Sosumilike I said, it's not mineNov 23 14:37
MinceRSosumi: fair enoughNov 23 14:37
SosumiI'm using it with permissionNov 23 14:37
SosumiI'm just not the subscriberNov 23 14:37
_Goblingood..so then the question that needs to be considered....Nov 23 14:37
Sosumithe subscriber is a shell companyNov 23 14:38
Sosumia non entity :PNov 23 14:38
_Goblinwhilst yes a proprietary anything could contain all sort of nasty spying code (for example).....Nov 23 14:38
_Goblinhow do you know whats being monitored at an ISP level (regardless of its its yours or not)Nov 23 14:38
Sosumieverything isNov 23 14:39
Sosumibecause I assume that everything I put out is free for everyone to seeNov 23 14:39
_Goblinthe point is, back doors in proprietary software may be a given.....however a GNU/Linux system can be equally as dangerous if people are lulled into a false sense of security.Nov 23 14:39
SosumiI just want what is inside my machine to be just for me to seeNov 23 14:39
_Goblinan encrypted usb drive would do that...Nov 23 14:40
_Goblinback doors or not...Nov 23 14:40
Sosumino one is saying that gnu/linux is safe, everything can be broken in a way or anotherNov 23 14:40
Sosumiwhat just doesn't hurt is for me, at least, to cover my tracksNov 23 14:40
_Goblinhell I'd even say you are secure on Windows if the only data you want private is encrypted on a usb device.Nov 23 14:41
_GoblinAnd statistically you don't need to cover tracks by the sheer number of other users..... Even the trigger words are a bit useless since there's a campaign to flood the net with them in order to confuse security agenciesNov 23 14:42
Sosumiwathever... I just don't want a mobile device in which I have no option to disconect the radio for sureNov 23 14:43
_GoblinBut here's the clever thing...The UK has the human rights act (and in particular the part that talks about "right to private life" snooping on users would be expressly forbidden however they are doing it by proxy (ie the US) who can send the info on.... I expect it works the other way around too.Nov 23 14:43
_GoblinDr Who starts in 5 minutes.....50th year.....I have as much interest in Dr Who now as I would in a copy of Windows XP thats been running for a decade online without being scanned for virus's.Nov 23 14:47
MinceR204112 < _Goblin> hell I'd even say you are secure on Windows if the only data you want private is encrypted on a usb device.Nov 23 14:48
MinceRif that device never comes in contact with the windows pc, that is :>Nov 23 14:49
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schestowitzMuktware has just responded to techrightsNov 23 15:48
schestowitzI asked, "Would you like me to set the record straight by appending your response?"Nov 23 15:48
schestowitzIt helps show where the FUD comes fromNov 23 15:48
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3326046Nov 23 15:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Senators Call #NSA Snooping Unnecessary to Security http://www.tomshardware.com/news/senators-nsa-snooping,25162.html "collection violated the Fourth Amendment."Nov 23 15:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.tomshardware.com | Senators Call NSA Snooping Unnecessary to Security  [ http://ur1.ca/g36kb ]Nov 23 15:53
schestowitz"Thing is, they can never be trusted. This secret shadow government can say they have stopped snooping, but there is no way to verify that."Nov 23 15:54
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3326037Nov 23 15:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #JAMESRISEN and #LAURAPOITRAS have explosive new report about the #nsa http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/us/politics/nsa-report-outlined-goals-for-more-power.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1385172349-LeDM5NEYVebwg6qIrtXFmwNov 23 15:54
TechrightsBot-tr-> myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times  [ http://ur1.ca/g31m7 ]Nov 23 15:54
schestowitz"With what has already been revealed, the NSA has already trashed Silicon Valley. No US technology company will be above suspicion, eventually even down to the silicon level. Once the trust is broken, it cannot be easily repaired. Cisco's financial reports are already reflecting this trend, which I expect to grow into a monumental shitstorm affeting the entire net-connected planet."Nov 23 15:54
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3326210Nov 23 15:55
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #NSA infected 50,000 computer networks with malicious software http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/11/23/nsa-infected-50000-computer-networks-with-malicious-software/ also infected a billion computers with #windowsNov 23 15:55
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.nrc.nl | NSA infected 50,000 computer networks with malicious software - nrc.nl  [ http://ur1.ca/g32co ]Nov 23 15:55
schestowitz"I assume you've seen this: James Risen and Laura Poitras, "N.S.A. Report Outlined Goals for More Power," New York Times, November 23, 2013, http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/23/us/politics/nsa-report-outlined-goals-for-more-power.html I don't have time right now to even begin to attempt to wrap my head around the degree of self-righteousness at work here."Nov 23 15:55
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schestowitz"Oh yeah, now I see you've seen it, just further back in your timeline. ;-)"Nov 23 15:55
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3324538Nov 23 15:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Telcos fight the 'good' fight against us 'terrorists' http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131122/00371425332/pressure-mounts-against-telcos-to-fess-up-about-their-involvement-nsa-surveillance.shtmlNov 23 15:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techdirt.com | Pressure Mounts Against Telcos To 'Fess Up About Their Involvement In NSA Surveillance | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/g36ky ]Nov 23 15:58
schestowitz"This is amazing, arguing that they have a First Amendment right to reveal how much info they actually share with the government. When people violate my email, it's called "sharing". When someone else listens to my canned music, it's called "stealing"."Nov 23 15:58
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3323901Nov 23 15:59
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Turning Mozilla #Thunderbird into a Phoenix http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/11/turning-thunderbird-into-a-phoenix/index.htm #mozillaNov 23 15:59
TechrightsBot-tr-> blogs.computerworlduk.com | Turning Mozilla Thunderbird into a Phoenix - Open Enterprise  [ http://ur1.ca/g30nv ]Nov 23 15:59
schestowitz"kmail2 is having serious problems with my mail. <a href="http://173.20.223.180/photoalbum/chron/2013/20130928-kmail2migration/">Migration was a disaster</a> and I'm still having problems. Most of the obnoxious errors have gone away and it looks like everything is in the indexes but I'm still unable to read some of my email with it and I can't search unless I turn on kde's obnoxious file indexing database. I'm going to try turning that Nov 23 15:59
TechrightsBot-tr ( status 404 @ http://173.20.223.180/photoalbum/chron/2013/20130928-kmail2migration/ )Nov 23 15:59
schestowitzon for email only to see if that fixes things."Nov 23 15:59
schestowitzIO moved from kmail to thunderbird 10 years agiNov 23 15:59
schestowitz I moved from kmail to thunderbird 10 years agoNov 23 16:00
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/3326210Nov 23 16:00
schestowitz"The extra malware is probably because the NSA does not really trust Microsoft."Nov 23 16:00
schestowitzThe NSA has enough intel' to know what happens to MSFT partners :-)Nov 23 16:01
Sosumihttp://rt.com/usa/rockefeller-cyber-ndaa-commerce-168/Nov 23 16:04
TechrightsBot-trrt.com | Rockefeller attaches cybersecurity bill to NDAA 2014 — RT USA  [ http://ur1.ca/g36ly ]Nov 23 16:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/404303170815664128Nov 23 16:06
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Tux Machines Plans for 2014 and Beyond http://t.co/bY9eWeXixH #tuxmachines #gnu #linuxNov 23 16:06
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines Plans for 2014 and Beyond | Tux MachinesNov 23 16:06
schestowitzSosumi: thanksNov 23 16:06
Sosumihttp://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/it-pro/business-it/microsoft-wins-spot-in-school-curriculum-20131120-hv3n3.htmlNov 23 16:27
TechrightsBot-trwww.brisbanetimes.com.au | Microsoft wins spot in school curriculum  [ http://ur1.ca/g2pxb ]Nov 23 16:27
Sosumiyou must always get them when they're young for the indoctrination to best most effectiveNov 23 16:28
Sosumithat's what Bertrand Russel used to sayNov 23 16:28
Sosumiso we get a bunch of M$ only zombies out of schoolNov 23 16:30
MinceRso do weNov 23 16:31
Sosumias for senator "rock-a-fella" attaching the cybersec. bill to the NDAA, well that was expectedNov 23 16:31
SosumiI'm just surprised it came so lateNov 23 16:31
Sosumimy university and phd programs with US universities like with the MIT and Connergie MellonNov 23 16:33
Sosumime going to the US? not even onceNov 23 16:34
SosumiI'm actually eyeballing something with the russian academy of sciencesNov 23 16:34
Sosumibut lets see what I can pull out next year for thatNov 23 16:35
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Sosumihttp://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/11/23/nsa-infected-50000-computer-networks-with-malicious-software/Nov 23 17:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.nrc.nl | NSA infected 50,000 computer networks with malicious software - nrc.nl  [ http://ur1.ca/g32co ]Nov 23 17:33
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