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Re: dpkg issues

On 21 Feb 1997, Rob Browning wrote:

> bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens) writes:
>
> > work with each other and are upgraded all at once, rather than
> > upgrading a piece here and a piece there while we cross our fingers
> > and hope the dependencies are right. That's the main thing we
> > sacrafice in giving up dpkg.
>
> I think this is a pretty big sacrifice.

It's a HUGE sacrifice. It's the one clear and obvious advantage that
debian really has over redhat.

As I pointed out last time the rpm suggestion was made, being able to
directly install .rpms on a debian system will BREAK most newbie's
systems unless we also sacrifice the debian standards as well. debian's
init.d/rc.d structure is quite different to redhat. incompatibilities
may be resolvable but it will be a lot of work. In the meantime, if
debian switches to .rpm then newbies will install debian, then download
extra stuff from redhat, install it and hose their system.

At least with alien people know that they're trying to do something out
of the ordinary and will either choose not to do it or will proceed far
more cautiously.

so, that means either 1) switch to rpm AND redhat standards (i.e. debian
becomes just a group of people who release .rpm packages) or 2) stick
with what we have and make it better.


without dpkg, .deb, and all the thought & work gone into developing the
debian standards then debian is nothing. why would anyone use debian's
"fake redhat" system rather than the real redhat system? Switching to
.rpm would mean the death of debian within a few months (either that or
debian would splinter into two groups - those who are happy to work on a
redhat clone, and those who would continue to develop .deb packages)

> To fix this problem, it sounds like all we need is better testing for
> stable, and we're supposedly moving in that direction.

yes.

Craig


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