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Opinion of a newbie developer

Hi everyone!

I am not exactly sure what is going on here on debian-private !
Is this really a discussion or better flame war about democratic or
non-democratic leadership of the project ?

Back when I was only reading debian-user the debian world was
MUCH friendlier. Can someone give me here an honest explanation why
on the higher level there is such a corrupted atmosphere ?

Perhaps I'm a little bit naive but I really can't see why the
joey-Bruce discussion has to provoke such a followup.

Bruce, if you don't agree with joey, you are free to ignore him. He is
just ONE of the many developers. You don't have to satisfy EVERY
developer which is around here (there is no way to achieve this). If
you feel this topic was discussed enough or it is a rather minor topic
then you don't have to bother wasting your time on further
discussion. 

On the other hand joey is free to state his opinion (even if I rather
disliked the tone). 

As far as I can tell the whole followup has a lot of disadvantages:

Regarding the splitting proposal:

* whatever the percentage of one project to the other regarding developer
distribution will be, debian will lose a lot; there are not enough
maintainers for the current project so the situation wouldn't improve
by splitting the project

* the proposal for the non-democratic branch (reverting to status
before 8 Jan.) would shift the whole workload back on the leader; 
IMHO the project is too big to be operated in a non-distributed manner

Other comments:

* What have the joey-Bruce and dominik-Bruce flame wars to do with
democractic structures ? Even with dictatorship in a volunteer
organization there are always disagreement and therefore such
incidents. Democratic structures don't imply that everybody has to
agree with everything but this is true in the same way for
non-democratic structures. 

* IMHO the BOD and the whole ongoing reorganization are steps in the
right direction. I can't see any advantage by throwing this all away.

My impression is that we will disappoint a lot of people if we are
going to build debian with this hot head mentality which is prevailing
here at the moment.

Greetings


			Christian (greatly concerned about the state
                                     of this list)

 
-- 
Christian Meder, email: christian.meder@utoronto.ca

What's the railroad to me ?
I never go to see
Where it ends.
It fills a few hollows,
And makes banks for the swallows, 
It sets the sand a-blowing,
And the blackberries a-growing.
                      (Henry David Thoreau)