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Re: "purity" package

Hi,
>>"Christoph" == Christoph Lameter <chris@waterf.org> writes:

Christoph> Hmm. Another one who has to demonize his opponent to kill
Christoph> fruitful debate of the real issue?

	;-) I did not mean to demonize you. I just was getting tired
 ;of the debate. Mea Culpa.

Christoph> I did not propose to dump purity.

	Sorry. That was not ecident to me.

Christoph> Your metaphysical commitments will show somewhere even if
Christoph> you are in denial that you make such commitments at all.
>>  Oh, so you don't think athiesm is possible at all?

Christoph> I think you mean agnosticism? Atheims is usually coming as
Christoph> a metaphysical commitment. I think agnosticism is
Christoph> impossible. Without a shared commitment to some basic
Christoph> metaphysical not provable assumptions you cannot
Christoph> communicate at all.

	No, I mean atheism. "I do not believe in god, or metaphical
 phenomena." How is that a commitment? Perhaps we are misundertanding
 the terms here?

Christoph> Metaphysical (and therefore I would say religious)
Christoph> commitments are necessary in order to be able to reason at
Christoph> all.

>>  I do not agree. (Unless you say that dismissing metaphysical
>> commitments as sheer bunk is a metaphysical commitment in itself,
>> in which case the information content of that statement drops to
>> nil)

	Is disbelief (and dismissal a "commitment"? if so, you are
 right, but that is a strange use of the term commitment.

Christoph> Disagree all you want. This is an established in literature
Christoph> about reasoning and understanding (epistemology). Read
Christoph> Wittgenstein, Austin or modern neuroscientists. Maybe you
Christoph> at least know Thomas Kuhn's "Scientific Revolutions"?

	No, I am not familair with these authors. I would have liked
 to point to chanakya, and some of the vedantic writings, and the
 latter treatizes; but I don't have references handy.

Christoph> Nietsche already knew that in the 19th century ....
>>  Oh, *such* a valid source. Do you embrace nihilism too?

Christoph> What kind of reasoning is that? Nietsche is a recognized
Christoph> thinker who saw issues clearly that only became clear to
Christoph> many of us in this century.

	I (possibly incorrectly) do not hold his views in so high a
 regard. 

Christoph> But assuming that when I say that Nietsche was right on one
Christoph> issue I accept everything he said is rather naive.

	Touche.

Christoph> This kind of primitive black and white thinking that I have
Christoph> seen repeatedly is very destructive for real discussions on
Christoph> the debian mailing lists. Something really frustrating
Christoph> about the Project lately.

	Methinks this forum is not valid for this topic; please take
 this discussion offline if you feel the need to pursue it further.

	manoj
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