schestowitz | It's already out practically | May 07 00:00 |
schestowitz | Maybe not deployed yet | May 07 00:00 |
schestowitz | But it has been finalised for a while | May 07 00:00 |
schestowitz | 3.0 crashed (ish) Sun's servers | May 07 00:00 |
schestowitz | Not a good launch | May 07 00:00 |
schestowitz | A shame that when the buzz is up and people come to get it there is no serverresoinse | May 07 00:01 |
oiaohm | Openoffice mirrors to all its mirrors before offical release notice. | May 07 00:01 |
schestowitz | Mirrors up, not links to them though | May 07 00:01 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: that's why they keep it so quiet still | May 07 00:01 |
oiaohm | With the number of users who want to download they need all of them. | May 07 00:01 |
oiaohm | Its the openoffice cycle. You can normally if you know the first mirrors get openoffice 5 days before offical release. | May 07 00:02 |
oiaohm | Its also good testing any that sneek in while just in mirroring and complain of a fault they can go opps dud upload. | May 07 00:03 |
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schestowitz | I have some mirrors. hold on. | May 07 00:19 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/13/ooo-use-this-mirror-instead/ | May 07 00:20 |
schestowitz | If you browser dirs you'll probably find 3.1 | May 07 00:21 |
schestowitz | http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ny1.mirror.openoffice.org/stable/3.1.0/ | May 07 00:21 |
schestowitz | Got it. | May 07 00:21 |
schestowitz | Here is the place to download OpenOffice 3.1 ahead of everyone else: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ny1.mirror.openoffice.org/stable/3.1.0/ | May 07 00:21 |
schestowitz | " 04-May-2009 " | May 07 00:22 |
schestowitz | See? | May 07 00:22 |
schestowitz | It has been going on for a while | May 07 00:22 |
schestowitz | 50 millionx100mb | May 07 00:22 |
schestowitz | About 5 million gigabytes | May 07 00:22 |
schestowitz | 5 petabyes | May 07 00:22 |
schestowitz | Funny... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tGxhpQlaIk&feature=channel | May 07 00:31 |
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seller_liar | I was thinking | May 07 01:01 |
seller_liar | How to promote ethics for people? | May 07 01:01 |
schestowitz | Sednt hem books :-) | May 07 01:06 |
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seller_liar | We need to write more criticism in mono apps | May 07 01:08 |
schestowitz | Adds them, please | May 07 01:09 |
seller_liar | ok | May 07 01:09 |
seller_liar | I will talk about mooonson | May 07 01:11 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/johndrinkwater/statuses/1719916425 | May 07 01:11 |
schestowitz | Disgusting ^^ | May 07 01:11 |
schestowitz | Heh. Moon Soon | May 07 01:12 |
schestowitz | Moon bye | May 07 01:12 |
schestowitz | Moon lie | May 07 01:12 |
seller_liar | Moon die! | May 07 01:16 |
Balrog | come on ... even Microsoft's sponsored ODF plugin performs better. | May 07 01:19 |
schestowitz | Balrog: I'm doing a post | May 07 01:20 |
schestowitz | It's very ugly | May 07 01:20 |
Balrog | ok. | May 07 01:20 |
Balrog | read the comments | May 07 01:20 |
Balrog | on the technet page | May 07 01:20 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | May 07 01:20 |
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mib_dfhj0s | look | May 07 01:30 |
mib_dfhj0s | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Mono_Applications#Software_developed_with_Mono | May 07 01:30 |
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Balrog | seller_liar: what about it? | May 07 01:33 |
seller_liar | I have included criticism about moonsoon | May 07 01:33 |
Balrog | seller_liar: grammar could be better ;) | May 07 01:34 |
seller_liar | balrog: please fix it | May 07 01:35 |
Balrog | "Mono promoters try to include moosoon to default gnome installation" is ambiguous | May 07 01:36 |
Balrog | seller_liar: what are you trying to mean by that? | May 07 01:36 |
seller_liar | Mono trolls will try to include moosoon in ubuntu | May 07 01:37 |
Balrog | seller_liar: I wouldn't criticize MIT/X11 over being permissive | May 07 01:38 |
Balrog | that's not a problem | May 07 01:38 |
Balrog | rather, lack of patent protection is | May 07 01:38 |
Balrog | plus GNU says MIT/X11 is ok | May 07 01:39 |
seller_liar | is ok but is not "good" | May 07 01:39 |
Balrog | but ok is not bad | May 07 01:39 |
seller_liar | gnu linux distros always shoould emphasize gnu gpl | May 07 01:40 |
seller_liar | mit x11 has a very old license , novell uses a loty | May 07 01:40 |
Balrog | schestowitz: what do you think? | May 07 01:41 |
Balrog | should we criticize MIT/X11? | May 07 01:42 |
Balrog | I feel not | May 07 01:42 |
schestowitz | Just a moment.... | May 07 01:42 |
seller_liar | But we need emphasize | May 07 01:42 |
seller_liar | More mit/x11 software than gnu gpl software is not good | May 07 01:42 |
seller_liar | Mit/x11 promotes what we are trying to destroy in years: | May 07 01:43 |
seller_liar | proprietary software | May 07 01:43 |
seller_liar | schestowitz: did you see? | May 07 01:47 |
oiaohm | Mit/X11 has its flaws. | May 07 01:49 |
seller_liar | novell promotes mit license | May 07 01:49 |
oiaohm | Should have a update lack ass protecton for user. | May 07 01:50 |
Balrog | oiaohm: does that mead we should call is bad and bash it? | May 07 01:50 |
seller_liar | novell de icaza , jeff waugh and other uses mit licenses in blog content | May 07 01:50 |
oiaohm | There is worse. | May 07 01:50 |
oiaohm | It could be MS-PL licence. | May 07 01:50 |
seller_liar | Ok , it ' s not a "bad license" , | May 07 01:50 |
seller_liar | instead put a "weak license"/ | May 07 01:50 |
oiaohm | License in need of update would be better. | May 07 01:51 |
oiaohm | It was good in its time. | May 07 01:51 |
seller_liar | but not now | May 07 01:51 |
seller_liar | today we have microsoft, ibm and all s*ck patents of world | May 07 01:51 |
oiaohm | Software without | May 07 01:52 |
oiaohm | restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, | May 07 01:52 |
oiaohm | copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell | May 07 01:52 |
oiaohm | copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the | May 07 01:52 |
oiaohm | Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following | May 07 01:52 |
oiaohm | conditions: | May 07 01:52 |
oiaohm | Read that from it. | May 07 01:52 |
oiaohm | Mit/X11 might still be legally soild. | May 07 01:52 |
seller_liar | but gplv3 is better | May 07 01:53 |
oiaohm | Because if the without limitation clause is taken to cover patents as well. | May 07 01:53 |
seller_liar | novell uses mit instead gpl v3 because microsoft | May 07 01:53 |
oiaohm | its still a good licence. | May 07 01:53 |
oiaohm | Really Mit/X11 needs a court case to test where patent fit into it. | May 07 01:53 |
Balrog | 'rights to use' 'without limitation' sounds like a type of patent grant | May 07 01:54 |
seller_liar | please someone edit my comment | May 07 01:54 |
oiaohm | Its the unknown state around Mit/X11 that is causing its problems. | May 07 01:54 |
seller_liar | Put only "lack of protection against patents" and " more mit/x11 and less gpl is bad" | May 07 01:55 |
oiaohm | Its that we don't know if it provided patent protection or not seller_liar. | May 07 01:55 |
oiaohm | It wording it could. | May 07 01:56 |
seller_liar | oiaohm: gpl is more explicit and offers good terms | May 07 01:56 |
Balrog | schestowitz: Transmission now has a beta Qt version! | May 07 01:56 |
Balrog | in addition to the GTK+ one | May 07 01:56 |
schestowitz | Embrace, Extend and Expel: Microsoft Wants to Toss IBM Out of ODF http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/06/embrace-extend-and-expel/ | May 07 01:56 |
oiaohm | MIT is well worded. | May 07 01:56 |
oiaohm | Just it was presoftware patents. | May 07 01:56 |
oiaohm | And has not been tested with them. | May 07 01:57 |
oiaohm | If Mit/X11 tests find its still a good licence. | May 07 01:57 |
oiaohm | find/fine | May 07 01:57 |
oiaohm | Really if Mit/X11 turns out to protect patents Novell has some major headaches. | May 07 01:58 |
Balrog | We should ask SFLC | May 07 01:58 |
schestowitz | mit is good for MS | May 07 01:59 |
schestowitz | In case they buy Novell | May 07 01:59 |
schestowitz | They don;t want gplv3 | May 07 01:59 |
oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_license#Terms BSD is weaker. | May 07 02:00 |
schestowitz | I see seller_liar raised this point already | May 07 02:00 |
oiaohm | Mit/X11 is reallly a very strongly worded licence. | May 07 02:00 |
schestowitz | I'm just catching up | May 07 02:00 |
Balrog | BSD only talks about redistribution | May 07 02:00 |
Balrog | MIT talks about use as well | May 07 02:00 |
Balrog | <The MIT License states more explicitly the rights given to the end-user, including the right to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell the software.> | May 07 02:01 |
oiaohm | Software without restriction is also in the licence of MIT | May 07 02:01 |
oiaohm | Attempting to apply patents may be in direct breach of MIT licence. | May 07 02:02 |
oiaohm | Since you are attempting to apply a restriction. | May 07 02:02 |
oiaohm | I was always taught the simpler the contract the better. | May 07 02:02 |
oiaohm | MIT licence is a really simple contract. | May 07 02:03 |
oiaohm | It could be 100 percent unbreakable. | May 07 02:03 |
Balrog | MIT license says "Permission is granted ... to deal in the Software without restriction" | May 07 02:03 |
Balrog | We should ask SFLC | May 07 02:03 |
oiaohm | Also MS has published blocks of code under MIT as well. | May 07 02:04 |
oiaohm | Could be a real nightmare for MS. | May 07 02:05 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/07/while-im-discussing-vista-why-do-whql-drivers-suffer-from-an-alarming-lack-of-quality/ | May 07 02:14 |
DaemonFC | you may get a kick from this | May 07 02:14 |
oiaohm | Apparently windows has the same detection problems as Linux who would guess. | May 07 02:19 |
DaemonFC | "the European Union should place sanctions on the United States until such time that ICANN is transferred over to an international body." -Me | May 07 02:21 |
DaemonFC | heh | May 07 02:21 |
DaemonFC | it may sound odd hearing an American saying this, but it would protect us from our own government too | May 07 02:22 |
oiaohm | Usa still techinally owns IP control. | May 07 02:22 |
DaemonFC | so it puts that in my interests as well | May 07 02:22 |
DaemonFC | it would be a nightmare for all these anti-free speech organizations if they had to work over a dozen countries that control the internet | May 07 02:23 |
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DaemonFC | rather than just 1 | May 07 02:23 |
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DaemonFC | if it was under the control of an international committee, than if a place got an order to remove the listing for say Wikileaks, that would only mean that our representative had to vote to do it | May 07 02:24 |
DaemonFC | it doesn't immediately get them what they want | May 07 02:24 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: What's horrific with WHQL drivers is that Microsoft never updates them | May 07 02:27 |
DaemonFC | so the one they signed is likely the first version of that driver, from late 2006 | May 07 02:27 |
DaemonFC | and that hundreds of bugs could have been fixed by now and they still have version 1.0 | May 07 02:28 |
DaemonFC | for that reason, Vista really isn't much easier to set up than XP cause you still need drivers anyway | May 07 02:29 |
DaemonFC | every time I figure out what is crashing Vista and why, and fix it, it's time to find the next cause | May 07 02:30 |
DaemonFC | the Error Logging is non-existent | May 07 02:30 |
DaemonFC | so there are precisely a billion things that could have done it | May 07 02:31 |
DaemonFC | I think it was Mr. Green in the Garage, with a power sander | May 07 02:31 |
schestowitz | Don’t Let Novell (and Microsoft) Control GNU/Linux, Licences, and Open Office < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/06/microsoft-novell-control-dangers/ > | May 07 02:32 |
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oiaohm | Very few people understand how much work goes into giving Linux hardware support. | May 07 02:33 |
schestowitz | US army has plans to hijack citiczens' computers | May 07 02:33 |
schestowitz | To attack with botnets | May 07 02:33 |
schestowitz | They also have documented plans to bomb botmasters, physically. | May 07 02:34 |
schestowitz | since 2007 | May 07 02:34 |
DaemonFC | who said the army is doing that? | May 07 02:35 |
DaemonFC | I kind of doubt you'd get dozens of foreign governments to use Windows if it had that kind of a backdoor | May 07 02:36 |
oiaohm | Australian army is adding a cyber warfare department. | May 07 02:36 |
schestowitz | NetworkWorld | May 07 02:36 |
schestowitz | Be careful hecking routers | May 07 02:37 |
schestowitz | They could send F16s to your house | May 07 02:37 |
oiaohm | Internet could turn into a mess. | May 07 02:37 |
schestowitz | As Bush once put it (as well as everyone around him), "it could come in the form of a mushroom cloud" | May 07 02:38 |
oiaohm | Going to miss the F18's here. Particular there anti-cop car with radar gun feature. | May 07 02:38 |
schestowitz | The 'War' on hackers | May 07 02:38 |
schestowitz | They already got rid of the word 'crackers' | May 07 02:38 |
schestowitz | "hackers" will be the new "enemy combatant" | May 07 02:39 |
oiaohm | USA has to do something. | May 07 02:39 |
oiaohm | There networks are leaking so badly you can almost get your hands on anything. | May 07 02:39 |
DaemonFC | anyone know any good 9read: CHEAP) TV cards that work out-of-box with most Linux distros? | May 07 02:39 |
DaemonFC | the info I've dug up is sketchy | May 07 02:40 |
oiaohm | From the video 4 Linux site DaemonFC? | May 07 02:40 |
DaemonFC | I have an AverMedia M780 | May 07 02:41 |
DaemonFC | never worked with Linux | May 07 02:41 |
DaemonFC | probably never will | May 07 02:41 |
oiaohm | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Basically the best information on that topic I know is is from there DaemonFC | May 07 02:43 |
DaemonFC | looks like Linux doesn't support any PCI-E tuners | May 07 02:44 |
DaemonFC | and therefore, probably most of the ATSC models go out the window too | May 07 02:45 |
DaemonFC | :( | May 07 02:45 |
DaemonFC | this is like the only thing Vista does well | May 07 02:46 |
seller_liar | I was thinking | May 07 02:46 |
DaemonFC | out-of-tree drivers are the devil | May 07 02:46 |
seller_liar | We cannot only criticise and analyze things | May 07 02:46 |
seller_liar | we need to promote things | May 07 02:47 |
DaemonFC | Fedora moves way too fast for those to be useful | May 07 02:47 |
oiaohm | Lot of the USB ones are support well. | May 07 02:47 |
oiaohm | And work supprisingly well. | May 07 02:47 |
DaemonFC | LVM still fails on Fedora 11 Preview | May 07 02:48 |
seller_liar | I don t use LVM | May 07 02:48 |
seller_liar | Fedora is crazy | May 07 02:48 |
seller_liar | Ferdore put securitylinux, LVM and other stupid things for user | May 07 02:48 |
seller_liar | I like fedore because of ethics ,but I dislike the package selection | May 07 02:49 |
seller_liar | Fedora is a technical distro | May 07 02:49 |
seller_liar | And packagekit sucks a lot | May 07 02:50 |
DaemonFC | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/AVerMedia_AVerTV_Combo_PCIe_%28M780%29 | May 07 02:51 |
DaemonFC | that's the card I have | May 07 02:51 |
oiaohm | So long term it might work. | May 07 02:54 |
oiaohm | Its not in the stack if it will never work ever. | May 07 02:54 |
DaemonFC | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127988 | May 07 02:59 |
DaemonFC | according to the chatter, it works out of the box | May 07 02:59 |
DaemonFC | I might grab one when I get paid | May 07 02:59 |
seller_liar | The real solution for a good gnu linux distro for users is long term support | May 07 03:02 |
seller_liar | Separation app and system | May 07 03:02 |
seller_liar | Ans Throw out the stupid packaging system | May 07 03:02 |
seller_liar | Use a new software model called application system | May 07 03:02 |
oiaohm | Long term solution will appear soon enough. | May 07 03:04 |
oiaohm | The tech to allow distributions to merge. | May 07 03:04 |
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seller_liar | But long term is not sufficient | May 07 03:04 |
seller_liar | All distros must distinct what is application and what is the system | May 07 03:05 |
oiaohm | Before windows we had like 20 OS's competing for top place. | May 07 03:05 |
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seller_liar | All distros mix everything ,. application with system | May 07 03:05 |
oiaohm | Not all. | May 07 03:05 |
seller_liar | Distro must support only the system ,not application | May 07 03:05 |
seller_liar | debian is crazy | May 07 03:06 |
seller_liar | debian support all system and applications | May 07 03:06 |
seller_liar | A good distro must support only: | May 07 03:06 |
seller_liar | kernel | May 07 03:06 |
seller_liar | xorg | May 07 03:06 |
oiaohm | There are some hypervisor role OS's out there. | May 07 03:06 |
seller_liar | a graphical enviroment | May 07 03:06 |
seller_liar | glibc | May 07 03:06 |
seller_liar | gnu api | May 07 03:06 |
oiaohm | xorg currnetly don't work on them. | May 07 03:06 |
seller_liar | and only this | May 07 03:06 |
oiaohm | eglibc its sainer. | May 07 03:06 |
oiaohm | After the changes in X11 go threw hypverisor and container based Linux's will be able to come into there own providing a OS that you can run any number of distributions you like. | May 07 03:08 |
DaemonFC` | http://www.avermedia.com/avertv/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=431&tab=APDriver | May 07 03:08 |
DaemonFC` | Avermedia has Linux drivers for that | May 07 03:08 |
oiaohm | Interesting. | May 07 03:10 |
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DaemonFC` | wonder if I should get that | May 07 03:14 |
schestowitz | SCO threatened with Chapter 7 destruction < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/06/us_bankruptcy_trustee_chapter_7_request/ > | May 07 03:20 |
schestowitz | 27 posts so far today in BN | May 07 03:20 |
schestowitz | marbux writes: ""Is it time for Rob to step down as chair? I think so. | May 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | "I'm not saying Microsoft (or anyone) should be the chair instead, but | May 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | I am saying that Rob is unfit as a leader given his inability to | May 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | separate his personal venom from his role as a leader in driving the | May 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | standard forward. It seems like a better approach to empower people on | May 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | the ODF TC who have a long-term view of the need to enable | May 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | interoperability, and to move those with more short-term | May 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | vendor-oriented agendas to the side." | May 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | Gray Knowlton, Rethinking ODF Leadership, Gray Matter (6 May 2009), | May 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | <http://blogs.technet.com/gray_knowlton/archive/2009/05/06/rethinking-odf-leadership.aspx> | May 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | Might be interesting to watch if this is prelude to a political battle | May 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | at OASIS to unseat Weir. | May 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | Best regards, | May 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | Paul" | May 07 03:22 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft calls for Rob Weir's resignation" | May 07 03:23 |
schestowitz | gn | May 07 03:29 |
seller_liar | gn roy | May 07 03:35 |
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DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/07/disable-windows-vista-spywareharassment-nag-screen/ | May 07 04:00 |
DaemonFC | I voted for it, before I voted against it. | May 07 04:00 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 07 04:01 |
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twitter | I'm having trouble posting a comment on BN | May 07 05:10 |
twitter | fucking spam filter says I can't add | May 07 05:11 |
twitter | 3 + 11 is 14 | May 07 05:12 |
twitter | "Error: You have entered the wrong sum in the spam protection field. Press the back button and try again." | May 07 05:12 |
twitter | ugh | May 07 05:12 |
twitter | As the trolls often taunted me on Slashdot, after making a post invisible, "There's 30 minutes of your life you won't get back." | May 07 05:17 |
twitter | broken on two browsers. Konq and Epiphany. | May 07 05:19 |
twitter | It's nice to know that the wrong sums don't work either. | May 07 05:21 |
twitter | Oh well, here's my comment. | May 07 05:21 |
twitter | I'm afraid you got trolled when linking to the article, "<a href="http://dag.wieers.com/blog/are-there-too-few-people-who-understand-desktop-linux">Are there too few people who understand desktop Linux?</a>" The author starts from a few general statements that sound good then he makes a bunch of projections from the Windows world onto free software. He uses this base to conclude in a circular fashion that GNU/Linux is not ready f | May 07 05:22 |
twitter | After a long preamble about wanting software that does not suck life, he gets into projections. He does not make them directly, because people would immediately recognize the lie. Check it out: | May 07 05:22 |
twitter | <blockquote> high-maintenance, bleeding-edge Linux distributions, while very useful to the selected few, are not a nice fit for 99% of the market [like his mom] because they change too often, require work to update them and change often spurs breakage, instability or behavioral change. ... I am not interested in updating/upgrading my mom's computer whenever I pay a visit because the OS demands that from me. I'd rather do other thin | May 07 05:23 |
twitter | If the author was talking about all the Christmas time he's wasted fixing Windows, he'd have hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately, he's talking about Ubuntu, Fedora and OpenSuse. | May 07 05:23 |
twitter | As someone who moved his family to free software eight years ago, I can say he's full of beans. Distributions like Ubuntu and Mepis are easy to use, stable and trivial to upgrade. My kids play games, my wife does her social browsing, everyone's email works and it is all rather painless. I go years between upgrades and do precious little upkeep that's not adding new hardware. My little brother looks after my mom's Windows dissas | May 07 05:23 |
twitter | The author rounds off his rant with some nonsense about scaling for large companies. This is something achieved with separate tools that are easily able to manage just about any desktop but Windows. Apparently, he's never assisted a Fortune 100 "upgrade." I have, and it was a total pain in the rear where each and every computer needed individual attention for license verification and other nonsense. Yes, the company in question | May 07 05:24 |
twitter | Non free software applications each have their individual quirks that change constantly and must be dealt with one at a time. The process was as automated as it could be with netboots and a good GNU/Linux machine to serve binaries but it was truly painful. People were able to "upgrade" about 4 computers per hour each. It took dozens of people weeks to accomplish what is fully automated in the free software world. Non free softw | May 07 05:24 |
twitter | Free software is here on the desktop both at home and at work. Cooperation in freedom accomplishes tasks that non free software never will. Please don't feed the trolls who deny it. | May 07 05:24 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: That's the convenient cop out for every hardware maker that doesn't want to either support Linux or open their drivers | May 07 05:53 |
DaemonFC | "It changes too much" "Which one would you like us to support?" | May 07 05:53 |
DaemonFC | What sucks is that a lot of hardware makers can't open source their driver even if they want to, cause they had to license something from someone else to begin with | May 07 05:54 |
DaemonFC | so they might not even own everything you'd need | May 07 05:54 |
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DaemonFC | I'm sure that's got something to do with AverMedia only releasing binary drivers | May 07 05:55 |
DaemonFC | there's probably a ton of stuff they licensed to go into their driver | May 07 05:55 |
twitter | A free driver would not be so hard to make. | May 07 05:56 |
twitter | There are plenty of good examples and hardware companies would do well to quit paying licensing fees for things like that. | May 07 05:57 |
DaemonFC | well, the choice I have is this | May 07 06:00 |
DaemonFC | buy a $50 TV tuner widget that has a closed source driver and official support | May 07 06:00 |
DaemonFC | or spend $90 and get one that is said to work with an open source driver, but that's unofficial and don't ask the company that made it for support | May 07 06:01 |
DaemonFC | not exactly a good choice | May 07 06:01 |
twitter | You could buy a used analog card for next to nothing and do all the recording you want. | May 07 06:02 |
DaemonFC | then again, if I save the $40, the company could decide that they won't support Linux anymore and the next release of my distribution may not work with their driver | May 07 06:02 |
DaemonFC | that linuxtv site has no clear list of models supported and by what drivers | May 07 06:03 |
twitter | there are better sites. | May 07 06:03 |
DaemonFC | this seems to be like 3d accelerators in 1999 | May 07 06:03 |
twitter | there's a great photo gallery of BT878 hardware someplace. | May 07 06:03 |
DaemonFC | "I heard that this model works with that driver if you follow the 300 step installation" | May 07 06:04 |
twitter | My ATI wonder card works just fine | May 07 06:04 |
DaemonFC | I never paid it much attention when I bought the computer because I had never had a TV card before | May 07 06:04 |
twitter | It took a little set up. I had to figure out that it registered itself as /dev/video0 instead of /dev/video | May 07 06:05 |
DaemonFC | so it's one of those things where you never thought you needed it til you saw what a cool idea it was :P | May 07 06:05 |
twitter | and /dev/dsp1 instead of /dev/dsp which are VLC defaults with Lenny | May 07 06:05 |
DaemonFC | heh, then I have to wonder if VLC for Linux would work right if I tried to use it to watch the stream | May 07 06:06 |
twitter | It's only cool if you are actually watching TV. | May 07 06:06 |
twitter | Streaming and recording work well with VLC. | May 07 06:06 |
DaemonFC | on Vista it just makes my TV stream go black and then the card won't work til I reboot | May 07 06:06 |
twitter | Nothing works with Vista and newer "HD" capture cards are all DRM encumbered. | May 07 06:07 |
DaemonFC | I know it's not any fancy DRM or anything | May 07 06:07 |
twitter | DRM is baked in. | May 07 06:07 |
DaemonFC | AverMedia Center lets you record the streams to anything that DirectShow supports | May 07 06:07 |
DaemonFC | even Theora | May 07 06:07 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 07 06:07 |
twitter | I don't know AverMedia. | May 07 06:08 |
twitter | VLC works for me. | May 07 06:08 |
DaemonFC | it seems like it would be an awful lot of trouble to intentionally corral someone into using software where they can still do anything they want | May 07 06:08 |
DaemonFC | that just smells of a bug to me | May 07 06:08 |
twitter | Someone seems to have corraled you into Vista. | May 07 06:09 |
twitter | Good luck. | May 07 06:09 |
DaemonFC | well, with hardware where manuals are written in Engrish | May 07 06:09 |
DaemonFC | only expect them to make any effort to support Windows | May 07 06:09 |
DaemonFC | if that | May 07 06:09 |
twitter | http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/179019 | May 07 06:09 |
twitter | Just get a used card and any GNU/Linux distribution. | May 07 06:10 |
DaemonFC | Windows doesn't degrade any HD movie that isn't encoded with that flag | May 07 06:11 |
twitter | If you have a digital TV converter box, you can record 640x480 and it's close to DVD quality. | May 07 06:11 |
DaemonFC | and not even Blu Ray uses that (yet) | May 07 06:11 |
DaemonFC | it's not going to mangle your home movies :P | May 07 06:11 |
twitter | Vista will degrade your own home movies. | May 07 06:11 |
twitter | Yes it does. | May 07 06:11 |
twitter | I've got links to at least two articles where people report just that. | May 07 06:12 |
twitter | http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/181193 | May 07 06:12 |
twitter | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/13/0249222 | May 07 06:12 |
DaemonFC | oh, you're talking about the HDCP handshake | May 07 06:13 |
DaemonFC | and no, it doesn't degrade your stuff | May 07 06:13 |
DaemonFC | I use a DVI connector and have not had that happen | May 07 06:13 |
DaemonFC | maybe over VGA, but damn | May 07 06:13 |
twitter | why should it label your movie "premium content" and degrade it to over VGA? | May 07 06:15 |
twitter | Does M$ really want my GNU/Linux laptop to do a better home theater, through a VGA projector, than an expensive Vista media PC? | May 07 06:15 |
DaemonFC | I didn't say it did | May 07 06:16 |
DaemonFC | I meant I don't use VGA, so Iall I know is it doesn't over DVI | May 07 06:16 |
twitter | Why would you trust your media to a company that does that? | May 07 06:17 |
twitter | What if they decide they want to kill DVI the way they seem to want to kill VGA? | May 07 06:17 |
DaemonFC | So far even Windows 7 doesn't do that | May 07 06:17 |
DaemonFC | the content protection token is theoretically embedded into commercial HD content like Blu Ray | May 07 06:18 |
DaemonFC | but no titles even use it yet | May 07 06:18 |
twitter | As you say, it does not make sense to corral people into something they don't have control over, which is why they aim to kill SPDIF, VGA and other DRM free interfaces. | May 07 06:18 |
DaemonFC | so I would call BS on anyone claiming to have been affected by it | May 07 06:18 |
twitter | Go argue with Gutmann. | May 07 06:19 |
DaemonFC | I still use analog jack for my speakers | May 07 06:19 |
twitter | I'll keep my media free thank you. | May 07 06:19 |
DaemonFC | well, it's not doing anything to me | May 07 06:19 |
twitter | yet | May 07 06:19 |
twitter | you would be better off with firewire raw capture and edit | May 07 06:20 |
twitter | save to the format you want | May 07 06:20 |
twitter | Part of your TV card problem may be poor driver support. I don't think industry has recovered from the last minute pull of XP's drivers from Vista. http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/03/2052255 | May 07 06:22 |
twitter | I'm not sure they want to do M$ that favor either. | May 07 06:22 |
DaemonFC | Vista supports WDM | May 07 06:23 |
twitter | what's that? | May 07 06:23 |
DaemonFC | technically any WDM driver should work on 98/Me, 2000, XP, Server 2003, Vista, Server 2008, and 7 | May 07 06:23 |
DaemonFC | yes, any WDM driver should still work in 98 | May 07 06:23 |
DaemonFC | even if it's not supported | May 07 06:23 |
DaemonFC | Vista and 7 support WDDM as well, but that's only for display drivers | May 07 06:24 |
DaemonFC | They also support NDIS 6 and 5 | May 07 06:24 |
twitter | technically, that's correct. I have a web cam that did not work with 98 and I doubt it would work with Vista. | May 07 06:24 |
DaemonFC | so you can use 2000/XP wifi drivers in a pinch | May 07 06:24 |
DaemonFC | but not recommended | May 07 06:24 |
DaemonFC | places that made devices for Windows 98 did not usually use WDM | May 07 06:25 |
DaemonFC | they usually used VxD | May 07 06:25 |
twitter | please stop. | May 07 06:25 |
DaemonFC | which died with Windows Me | May 07 06:25 |
twitter | I remember the error messages. | May 07 06:25 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft didn't publicize WDM support all that well | May 07 06:26 |
DaemonFC | so companies kept making Windows 95 style drivers | May 07 06:26 |
DaemonFC | :D | May 07 06:26 |
twitter | you will give me nightmares of trying to make hardware work with shiny disks and floppies that never really work. | May 07 06:26 |
twitter | I'm so much happier with free software. | May 07 06:26 |
DaemonFC | what was fun.....was VxD drivers BEFORE System File Protection | May 07 06:27 |
DaemonFC | oh boy you were in for a treat | May 07 06:27 |
DaemonFC | especially with no name hardware | May 07 06:27 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 07 06:27 |
twitter | "no name hardware" has the same chipsets as branded shit. | May 07 06:27 |
DaemonFC | meh, sometimes | May 07 06:28 |
DaemonFC | Hint: If the software says "Backuping your BIOS" | May 07 06:28 |
twitter | brand name often means little more than advertising budget | May 07 06:28 |
DaemonFC | time to clutch the arms of the chair | May 07 06:28 |
DaemonFC | :D | May 07 06:28 |
twitter | you can keep it | May 07 06:28 |
DaemonFC | miraculously it survived | May 07 06:29 |
DaemonFC | oh, they do a shitty job at AMI | May 07 06:29 |
DaemonFC | I've had to update my BIOS at least 6-7 times | May 07 06:29 |
DaemonFC | because of the dumbest things | May 07 06:29 |
DaemonFC | Linux will say "AMI BIOS detected, BIOS may corrupt low memory, working around it" | May 07 06:30 |
DaemonFC | in other words "Fuck this, I don't trust that thing" | May 07 06:30 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 07 06:30 |
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mib_d2wzmi | Hey, anyone home? | May 07 06:36 |
DaemonFC | twitter: In most tasks, Vista is 2-3% slower than XP | May 07 06:42 |
DaemonFC | the dramatic fringe cases of DRM holocaust can't possibly happen til the content degradation token is flipped on for Blu Ray Discs | May 07 06:43 |
DaemonFC | (Which I don't even have the drive for) | May 07 06:43 |
DaemonFC | what is just sad is the quality of the drivers | May 07 06:44 |
mib_d2wzmi | content degradation? | May 07 06:44 |
DaemonFC | anyway, most of the benchmarks between Vista and XP are from after Vista RTM was just out and the video drivers were not all that great | May 07 06:45 |
DaemonFC | Vista will degrade Blu Ray to about 10% higher resolution than a standard DVD if you don't have an HDCP connection *and* the movie studio has encoded the disc to ask for that | May 07 06:46 |
DaemonFC | (which no discs do yet and won't for at least another year) | May 07 06:46 |
mib_d2wzmi | oh... i thought they will eraze the hd-dvd... | May 07 06:46 |
mib_d2wzmi | that would really degrade things :) | May 07 06:46 |
DaemonFC | HD-DVD is dead | May 07 06:46 |
mib_d2wzmi | details... you know what i mean :) | May 07 06:47 |
DaemonFC | that was the format Microsoft was backing | May 07 06:47 |
DaemonFC | the reason the industry disowned it was because it was permanently cracked | May 07 06:47 |
mib_d2wzmi | well, bd had that virual machine thingy to run custom protection code | May 07 06:48 |
DaemonFC | I wonder if twitter is aware of AnyDVDHD | May 07 06:48 |
DaemonFC | which can strip a Blu Ray of all the DRM and make an unencrypted copy | May 07 06:48 |
DaemonFC | even on Vista | May 07 06:48 |
mib_d2wzmi | ugh, Vista | May 07 06:48 |
DaemonFC | I've ran it on Windows 7, and it still works | May 07 06:49 |
mib_d2wzmi | they can kill the hack though | May 07 06:49 |
mib_d2wzmi | by revoking the key anyDVD is using | May 07 06:49 |
DaemonFC | it doesn't use a key | May 07 06:50 |
mib_d2wzmi | hmm... i wonder | May 07 06:50 |
DaemonFC | and it has a heuristic mechanism | May 07 06:50 |
mib_d2wzmi | weakness in the encryption? | May 07 06:50 |
DaemonFC | yeah, I believe so | May 07 06:50 |
mib_d2wzmi | nice... | May 07 06:50 |
DaemonFC | I mainly use it to remove region coding crap | May 07 06:50 |
DaemonFC | then you can play the copy on any DVD player | May 07 06:50 |
mib_d2wzmi | hope nobody will have to go to jail for that... unlike dvd crack | May 07 06:50 |
mib_d2wzmi | what happened to that kid, the one who cracked dvd? | May 07 06:51 |
DaemonFC | http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvd.html | May 07 06:51 |
DaemonFC | Jon Johanson? | May 07 06:51 |
DaemonFC | or however you spell that? | May 07 06:51 |
mib_d2wzmi | ya | May 07 06:51 |
mib_d2wzmi | him | May 07 06:51 |
mib_d2wzmi | btw... openSuse can't play DVDs well... i had to jump hoops to get it working | May 07 06:53 |
mib_d2wzmi | ubuntu works much better for some reason | May 07 06:53 |
DaemonFC | PACKMAN repo | May 07 06:53 |
mib_d2wzmi | yeah, packman repo didnt work with suse | May 07 06:53 |
DaemonFC | don't they have libdvdcss2? | May 07 06:53 |
mib_d2wzmi | they do, i got it, but vlc wouldn't play any dvds | May 07 06:53 |
mib_d2wzmi | kmplayer worked, but was a bit buggy | May 07 06:54 |
DaemonFC | you also need the VLC from Packman | May 07 06:54 |
DaemonFC | not the one from Suse | May 07 06:54 |
mib_d2wzmi | oh, that's probably one | May 07 06:54 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 07 06:54 |
mib_d2wzmi | doesnt matter anyome, i ditched suse | May 07 06:54 |
mib_d2wzmi | i was using tomboy, but then i found it's using mono | May 07 06:54 |
mib_d2wzmi | then i ditched suse | May 07 06:54 |
DaemonFC | their quality has really been shot to hell with the 11.x series | May 07 06:55 |
mib_d2wzmi | yeah, kde4 integration was bad | May 07 06:55 |
mib_d2wzmi | i mean it wasnt even stable to release with | May 07 06:55 |
mib_d2wzmi | though that's the reason i went with suse, to try out kde4 | May 07 06:55 |
DaemonFC | well, I really don't like Mono, not just the patent kerfluffle | May 07 06:55 |
DaemonFC | but it's not even directly comaptible with .Net | May 07 06:56 |
mib_d2wzmi | yeah, what's the point | May 07 06:56 |
DaemonFC | so I'm not even sure why anyone would use it | May 07 06:56 |
mib_d2wzmi | i use java | May 07 06:56 |
mib_d2wzmi | so i dislike .net in general | May 07 06:56 |
mib_d2wzmi | it's blatant java rip off | May 07 06:56 |
mib_d2wzmi | for no reason | May 07 06:56 |
DaemonFC | I try not to use either | May 07 06:56 |
DaemonFC | I have one JAVA app on this machine | May 07 06:56 |
DaemonFC | thats Azureus/Vuze | May 07 06:57 |
mib_d2wzmi | oh, limewire is java as well... that's about it for notable java apps | May 07 06:57 |
mib_d2wzmi | for some reason it never took off as much for desktop apps | May 07 06:57 |
DaemonFC | Well, Peerguardian doesn't work on Vista x64 | May 07 06:58 |
DaemonFC | and Azureus is the only decent client that can do blocklisting within the client itself | May 07 06:58 |
mib_d2wzmi | oh | May 07 06:58 |
mib_d2wzmi | nothing works well on vista... due to compatibity issues | May 07 06:59 |
mib_d2wzmi | too many changes in the api | May 07 06:59 |
DaemonFC | well, Peerguardian has a kernel mode driver | May 07 06:59 |
mib_d2wzmi | oh | May 07 06:59 |
DaemonFC | and it can't load it on Vista x64 because it's not signed | May 07 06:59 |
mib_d2wzmi | why use vista :) | May 07 07:00 |
mib_d2wzmi | it's like a drug... you know it's bad but cant help it | May 07 07:01 |
DaemonFC | I think I'll probably be buying a Mac next time | May 07 07:04 |
mib_d2wzmi | Macs are nice, if you have the cash | May 07 07:05 |
mib_d2wzmi | So Vista gives no option to accept unsigned drivers? | May 07 07:07 |
mib_d2wzmi | That would mean MS has the ability to push vendors off the market by not accpting their drivers | May 07 07:08 |
DaemonFC | they used to let you install unsigned drivers if you selected that option from a boot menu | May 07 07:10 |
DaemonFC | there was an app you could install that hit F8 and selected the No Driver Signaqture Check option every boot | May 07 07:11 |
DaemonFC | but MS got rid of that in SP1 and later | May 07 07:11 |
mib_d2wzmi | interesting | May 07 07:11 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft claims it's for security purposes | May 07 07:11 |
DaemonFC | to prevent viruses from hijacking the kernel | May 07 07:11 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 07 07:12 |
mib_d2wzmi | yeah... but it's not stopping the viruses | May 07 07:12 |
DaemonFC | http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsvistasecurity/archive/2006/08/11/695993.aspx | May 07 07:12 |
DaemonFC | An Introduction to Kernel Patch Protection | May 07 07:12 |
mib_d2wzmi | i was installing drivers for my wireless, they werent sighned for xp | May 07 07:12 |
mib_d2wzmi | and the box advertised linux compatibility | May 07 07:12 |
mib_d2wzmi | so i did a little research and the company actually open sourced their drivers | May 07 07:13 |
mib_d2wzmi | i guess they couldnt get MS to sighn it, so instead they tried to target linux users | May 07 07:13 |
DaemonFC | but SP1 also introduced a documented way for antivirus to hook into the kernel | May 07 07:13 |
DaemonFC | so I think the lack of Peerguardian support is just shoddy development on their end | May 07 07:14 |
DaemonFC | there's no reason they couldn't just use the same kernel hooks as an antivirus | May 07 07:14 |
mib_d2wzmi | im sure drivers require different hooks | May 07 07:14 |
DaemonFC | some drivers will still install without a signature | May 07 07:14 |
DaemonFC | if you install a beta Nvidia driver, Windows will bitch | May 07 07:15 |
DaemonFC | but you can override it | May 07 07:15 |
mib_d2wzmi | im sure big companies have less problems with it | May 07 07:15 |
mib_d2wzmi | its the small fishes that get fried due to budget limits | May 07 07:15 |
mib_d2wzmi | you have to write one driver for xp, another one for vista... another one for mac, and somethign for linux | May 07 07:17 |
mib_d2wzmi | instead of one driver, you have to write 4 | May 07 07:17 |
mib_d2wzmi | and keep em up to date | May 07 07:17 |
mib_d2wzmi | unless you have good sales on your product, taht would cost too much | May 07 07:18 |
mib_d2wzmi | and im sure ms driver certification is not free | May 07 07:18 |
DaemonFC | $500 a year | May 07 07:19 |
mib_d2wzmi | that's not too bad | May 07 07:20 |
DaemonFC | "Windows Vista includes the "Windows Filtering Platform", which enables software to perform network oriented activities such as packet inspection and other activities necessary to support firewall products." | May 07 07:20 |
DaemonFC | so Peerguardian could be made Vista compatible with no hooking into the kernel | May 07 07:20 |
mib_d2wzmi | well... maybe they dont like to work with vista :) | May 07 07:20 |
mib_d2wzmi | after all the negative buzz generated around it and anticipation of win 7 many dev simply ignore vista | May 07 07:21 |
DaemonFC | Vista and 7 are pretty compatible with each other | May 07 07:21 |
DaemonFC | I imagine that most software stamped "Windows 7" will work with Vista | May 07 07:22 |
mib_d2wzmi | so then windows 7 must be as bad as vista... | May 07 07:23 |
DaemonFC | it's not really all that different | May 07 07:23 |
DaemonFC | People will develop Vista software one way or the other | May 07 07:24 |
mib_d2wzmi | probably | May 07 07:24 |
mib_d2wzmi | i use java, so it will run anywhere anyway | May 07 07:24 |
mib_d2wzmi | don't ahve to deal with all the platform issues | May 07 07:25 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.pcworld.com/article/164485/windows_7_rc_benchmarks.html | May 07 07:25 |
DaemonFC | Speed Test: Windows 7 May Not Be Much Faster Than Vista | May 07 07:25 |
DaemonFC | marginally faster than Vista | May 07 07:25 |
DaemonFC | we're talking 1% | May 07 07:26 |
DaemonFC | or less | May 07 07:26 |
DaemonFC | so it's basically a tie | May 07 07:26 |
mib_d2wzmi | well... the question is... it wont matter | May 07 07:26 |
mib_d2wzmi | people will buy into the marketing buzz and buy it anyway | May 07 07:27 |
mib_d2wzmi | its all about marketing | May 07 07:27 |
mib_d2wzmi | and bribing the right people | May 07 07:27 |
DaemonFC | they got to the Nero 7 test and noticed Windows 7 is 10-15% faster | May 07 07:28 |
DaemonFC | that's not really the case | May 07 07:28 |
mib_d2wzmi | why not | May 07 07:28 |
DaemonFC | if you install proper chipset drivers for your motherboard, then you should have optimized hard disk controller drivers in Vista | May 07 07:29 |
DaemonFC | the ones that come with Vista work, but they're not optimal | May 07 07:29 |
DaemonFC | the only difference seems to be is that Vista has better default drivers | May 07 07:29 |
mib_d2wzmi | you mean the other way around | May 07 07:30 |
DaemonFC | the 7-8% boost on Autodesk is also easily explained | May 07 07:30 |
DaemonFC | DirectX 11 | May 07 07:30 |
DaemonFC | which will be backported to Vista | May 07 07:30 |
mib_d2wzmi | ogl > directX :) | May 07 07:31 |
mib_d2wzmi | until ID software says otherwise | May 07 07:31 |
DaemonFC | they use both | May 07 07:32 |
mib_d2wzmi | yeah | May 07 07:32 |
mib_d2wzmi | to port x-box | May 07 07:32 |
DaemonFC | they also use DirectX on Windows | May 07 07:32 |
DaemonFC | they only use OpenGL on OS X and Linux | May 07 07:32 |
mib_d2wzmi | Quake 3 was ogl | May 07 07:33 |
DaemonFC | OpenGL has become a train wreck | May 07 07:33 |
mib_d2wzmi | so was doom 3 | May 07 07:33 |
DaemonFC | OpenGL 3 was supposed to be revolutionary and so much infighting broke out | May 07 07:33 |
mib_d2wzmi | ogl hasnt changed much, they've added a bit here and there | May 07 07:33 |
DaemonFC | it became a few piddly extensions | May 07 07:33 |
mib_d2wzmi | yeah, but the thing is | May 07 07:33 |
mib_d2wzmi | all the changes are api changes | May 07 07:34 |
mib_d2wzmi | it gets the job done either wa | May 07 07:34 |
mib_d2wzmi | all the big fuss coming from developers claiming it's hard to use | May 07 07:34 |
mib_d2wzmi | though it aint that hard | May 07 07:35 |
mib_d2wzmi | there is no breakthrough | May 07 07:36 |
mib_d2wzmi | you have api, you keep adding features as hardware gets more sophisticated | May 07 07:36 |
mib_d2wzmi | MS always markets things as WOW, BREAKTHROUGH, OMFG, SO COOL | May 07 07:37 |
mib_d2wzmi | but on the back end it's a couple of new features on top of the same old concepts | May 07 07:37 |
DaemonFC | I'm just not real thrilled with OpenGL 3 | May 07 07:39 |
DaemonFC | a day late and a dollar short? | May 07 07:39 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 07 07:39 |
mib_d2wzmi | that's how it goes with standarts | May 07 07:41 |
mib_d2wzmi | they will eventually evolve, just some influential companies don't want to rewrite their stuff for ogl3 | May 07 07:41 |
mib_d2wzmi | backwards compatibility is important | May 07 07:42 |
mib_d2wzmi | games with relaxed requirements get consumed more, take World of Warcraft for example... you never needed newest stuff to run it | May 07 07:43 |
mib_d2wzmi | the game market lags a couple of years behind the hardware market, so they have plenty of room to react | May 07 07:43 |
DaemonFC | meh, I don't want to sing high praises for DirectX or anything, but it gets developed much faster | May 07 07:44 |
DaemonFC | the people behind OpenGL 3 just argued their way into second place | May 07 07:44 |
mib_d2wzmi | when i see directX on all the platforms, i'll consider it :) | May 07 07:46 |
DaemonFC | they either need to throw the CAD people overboard, throw the gaming people overboard, or develop separate dialects for each purpose | May 07 07:46 |
DaemonFC | the third option is where they're going with this | May 07 07:46 |
mib_d2wzmi | i think people are overreacting | May 07 07:46 |
mib_d2wzmi | as far as i'm concerned ogl works just fine | May 07 07:47 |
mib_d2wzmi | the problem is on the side of writing the drivers, not as much on the side of using ogl | May 07 07:47 |
mib_d2wzmi | they have big api - harder to write drivers | May 07 07:47 |
mib_d2wzmi | but when using it - don't use what you don't want... | May 07 07:48 |
mib_d2wzmi | the whole ogl3 was supposed to make it easier to write drivers by dumping some functionality | May 07 07:48 |
mib_d2wzmi | and make things "prettier" when using the api | May 07 07:48 |
mib_d2wzmi | but the fact it - it still works either way, provides the same features and equally fast | May 07 07:48 |
mib_d2wzmi | they could do better for sure... but it's not as bad as many people believe | May 07 07:49 |
DaemonFC | something that I won't give up though is FLAC | May 07 08:22 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 07 08:22 |
mib_d2wzmi | no, you must give it up NOW | May 07 08:28 |
mib_d2wzmi | or else... :) | May 07 08:28 |
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DaemonFC | :P | May 07 08:28 |
DaemonFC | Vista doesn't support holding down SHIFT to disable Autoplay | May 07 08:29 |
DaemonFC | you have to turn it off from the control panel | May 07 08:29 |
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schestowitz | Weird. BN gives many error pages | May 07 09:20 |
DaemonFC | I'm getting used to bizarre errors that take a ludicrous amount of time to debug | May 07 09:21 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 07 09:21 |
schestowitz | Maybe it's related to server load. I don't know... | May 07 09:22 |
DaemonFC | I was not amused by the wifi driver that comes with Vista, kills Vista bug | May 07 09:22 |
DaemonFC | but googling it shows me that I'm far from alone in experiencing this | May 07 09:22 |
DaemonFC | looks like the problem lives on into Windows 7 with some cards | May 07 09:23 |
DaemonFC | I never had that problem on XP | May 07 09:24 |
DaemonFC | I wonder what the hell they did | May 07 09:24 |
schestowitz | We get loads of traffic so it chokes | May 07 09:29 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Looks like Rupert Murdoch's Empire of Lies over at the Fixed Noise Network is collapsing | May 07 09:29 |
schestowitz | All sorts of things give error messags | May 07 09:29 |
schestowitz | brb | May 07 09:29 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: URL? | May 07 09:30 |
DaemonFC | watching Keith Olbermann | May 07 09:30 |
schestowitz | I'm sure he'll be bailed out | May 07 09:30 |
schestowitz | (Fox) | May 07 09:30 |
DaemonFC | apparently Fox News is going broke | May 07 09:30 |
schestowitz | It's national propaganda | May 07 09:30 |
DaemonFC | and they just admitted it | May 07 09:30 |
schestowitz | Needs to be fundedby taxpayers | May 07 09:30 |
schestowitz | Rupert has $$ | May 07 09:30 |
schestowitz | He won't let it sink | May 07 09:30 |
DaemonFC | no, Fox news is more or less Republican propaganda | May 07 09:30 |
schestowitz | And Keith Olbermann is biased vs them | May 07 09:31 |
DaemonFC | and the Republicans don't have the kind of pull they did :) | May 07 09:31 |
DaemonFC | Fox News is 97% down on revenue vs first quarter last year | May 07 09:32 |
DaemonFC | and news Corp over 40% down total | May 07 09:32 |
DaemonFC | if I heard that right | May 07 09:32 |
DaemonFC | well, if they did go under it would certainly be no great loss | May 07 09:33 |
DaemonFC | at least with some news networks, you may get some real news alongside the propaganda | May 07 09:33 |
DaemonFC | Fox is 99% propaganda | May 07 09:33 |
schestowitz | brb | May 07 09:34 |
DaemonFC | errr | May 07 09:36 |
DaemonFC | total 47% | May 07 09:36 |
DaemonFC | newspaper down 97% | May 07 09:36 |
DaemonFC | Fox News is down 99% in profits | May 07 09:36 |
DaemonFC | he even lost money on "American Idol" | May 07 09:37 |
DaemonFC | lol | May 07 09:37 |
DaemonFC | http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090506-720083.html | May 07 09:38 |
DaemonFC | "The television segment's operating income plummeted by $415 million to $4 million, reflecting declines in ad revenue, the absense of both the Super Bowl and contributions from eight stations sold in July 2008, and higher programming costs because of the year-ago writers strike." | May 07 09:39 |
DaemonFC | nice | May 07 09:39 |
DaemonFC | it would be nice to see Fixed Noise get killed off by the recession | May 07 09:39 |
DaemonFC | then nobody could say no good came from it | May 07 09:40 |
schestowitz | I'm sure another bad channel will grab the audience lost by Faux | May 07 09:46 |
schestowitz | Certain people are simply attracted to that | May 07 09:46 |
schestowitz | It's like saying, it we ban the KKK, racism will stop | May 07 09:46 |
schestowitz | [rather than go underground or find another umrella] | May 07 09:46 |
schestowitz | Same with Al Qaeda | May 07 09:47 |
schestowitz | BN gives me the s*ts | May 07 09:48 |
schestowitz | Error pages and stuff on occasions | May 07 09:48 |
schestowitz | twitter couldn't leave a comment | May 07 09:48 |
schestowitz | I barelyu could either | May 07 09:48 |
schestowitz | And I think server load causes this | May 07 09:48 |
MinceR | geekings | May 07 09:52 |
schestowitz | WTF? | May 07 09:54 |
schestowitz | http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/05/novell-moonlight-20-previews-s.html | May 07 09:54 |
schestowitz | " John Bailo said: It's bigger than that. The Moonlight port clearly proves that Linux can deliver DRM'd media to users. (Hulu has already proven that with its Flash based delivery system, but this should assure customers). I look forward to the day when Real's Rhapsody client can work on Linux and I can download and move audio files to my Sansa View. | May 07 09:54 |
schestowitz | " | May 07 09:54 |
schestowitz | Oh oh | May 07 09:54 |
schestowitz | Bailo's back? | May 07 09:54 |
schestowitz | Former MS employee | May 07 09:54 |
DaemonFC | I'm still waiting for why I should give a flying fuck if I can play DRM crippled files | May 07 09:55 |
DaemonFC | Are they going to pay ME 99 cents a song to take them? | May 07 09:55 |
schestowitz | Yeah... | May 07 09:55 |
schestowitz | Well, the man used to be in c.o.linux.a. in USENET | May 07 09:56 |
schestowitz | Considered a troll by some | May 07 09:56 |
schestowitz | It would be bad if all sorts of MSFTers made demands for stuff like Moonlight and DRM | May 07 09:56 |
DaemonFC | I will never buy any music or movies that I can't watch on my own terms | May 07 09:56 |
DaemonFC | or convert to my format of choice | May 07 09:56 |
schestowitz | http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7324 | May 07 09:56 |
schestowitz | You can't BUY | May 07 09:57 |
schestowitz | That's the thing | May 07 09:57 |
schestowitz | They RENT | May 07 09:57 |
schestowitz | So the notions and words must change | May 07 09:57 |
DaemonFC | well, they can count me out | May 07 09:57 |
DaemonFC | DRM obviously isn't working | May 07 09:57 |
DaemonFC | or they wouldn't be removing it | May 07 09:57 |
schestowitz | "Dear Sir, | May 07 10:08 |
schestowitz | I was waiting for a paper document, bearing a signature. | May 07 10:08 |
schestowitz | Maybe you have noticed that all amicus curiae briefs published are signed and thus made authentic. | May 07 10:08 |
schestowitz | Now, if you send me your statement as signed pdf.file or fax it will be online with the next update. " | May 07 10:08 |
schestowitz | Meh. I can't be bothered | May 07 10:08 |
schestowitz | I guess it's good that they verify identity, but it would still be easy to fake had someone tried it | May 07 10:08 |
schestowitz | Someone might help us OWN the linux action show... "I hadn't realized they had a Wikipedia entry. I'll transcribe the whole video and post it. Nothing like original quotes from the originator :0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_action_show " | May 07 10:13 |
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DaemonFC | http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-10234111-12.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody | May 07 10:21 |
DaemonFC | What to expect in Windows 7 RC | May 07 10:21 |
DaemonFC | they're really scraping the bottom of the bucket to find things that differentiate it from Vista | May 07 10:22 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's CNET | May 07 10:23 |
schestowitz | It's not enws | May 07 10:23 |
schestowitz | it's zdnet's cousin | May 07 10:23 |
schestowitz | Owned by CBS now | May 07 10:24 |
schestowitz | Investments for CNET came from Paul Allen, just to give you an idea.. | May 07 10:24 |
DaemonFC | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/06/p2p_bill_overreach/ | May 07 10:24 |
schestowitz | The UK is basically f*ed as a democracy | May 07 10:25 |
schestowitz | We have surveillance here like you wouldn't believe | May 07 10:25 |
schestowitz | Even the US military gets copies of our E-mails here because the govt. gives it to them AFAI | May 07 10:25 |
schestowitz | *K | May 07 10:25 |
DaemonFC | might as well | May 07 10:26 |
DaemonFC | we'll get it anyway, they're jsut saving us the trouble | May 07 10:26 |
DaemonFC | :D | May 07 10:26 |
schestowitz | The UK goes back to medieval ages faster than the US in some aspects | May 07 10:26 |
schestowitz | It's easier because the UK is well wired and small | May 07 10:26 |
schestowitz | So you can easily put CCTV at every street corner | May 07 10:26 |
schestowitz | HA! OpenText Buying Vignette and the Impact of Open Source Content Management < http://ostatic.com/blog/opentext-buying-vignette-and-the-impact-of-open-source-content-management > | May 07 10:28 |
schestowitz | Motorola's new Linux phones are based on Android (they gave up on WinMo): http://ostatic.com/blog/motorolas-android-smartphones-are-for-real-news-and-photos-arriving | May 07 10:28 |
iwmw | hehe, winmo is dying slowly :) | May 07 10:30 |
schestowitz | It is | May 07 10:30 |
schestowitz | Not because I dislike Microsoft | May 07 10:30 |
schestowitz | because it is. | May 07 10:30 |
schestowitz | It's too expensive to maintain/develop and revenue from it is too mere. Microsoft loses TONS of money there and Microsoft fans too (market watchers) say it'll die, so... | May 07 10:31 |
schestowitz | MS bought Danger. Anything came out of that yet? | May 07 10:31 |
schestowitz | MS hired some BSD devs. I think they are totally lost and don't know what to do now. | May 07 10:32 |
schestowitz | Earlier today I also read that they'll use PowerSet in the next SE | May 07 10:33 |
schestowitz | Like Hotmail at the time, it's FOSS | May 07 10:33 |
schestowitz | But all those buyouts weighing at 100s of millions will get them nowhere. it's DUPLICATION of effort.. trying to replace what they already have. | May 07 10:33 |
schestowitz | Pentagon Rejects Its Own Pundit Program Whitewash < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8367 > | May 07 10:35 |
schestowitz | This site continues to be excellent for a dose of reality | May 07 10:36 |
schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8362 "In Scotland, police have been offering environmentalists money in return for information about activist groups." | May 07 10:37 |
schestowitz | Cyberbullying Law Makes Being Mean Online A Felony < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/05/04/cyberbullying-law-makes-being-mean-online-a-felony >. This is a tool for net censorship | May 07 10:38 |
schestowitz | Google stung again: Google Results Polluted By Cybercrooks < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/04/17/google-results-polluted-by-cybercrooks > | May 07 10:39 |
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schestowitz | Why did this get buried after it was promoted? http://digg.com/microsoft/The_fall_of_Microsoft?t=25158343#c25158343 | May 07 10:42 |
schestowitz | Intel discontinuing Core i7 940 < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1136852/intel-discontinuing-core-i7-940 >. EU Commission should discontinue Intel | May 07 10:43 |
schestowitz | Another Softie waves goodbye: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2704 | May 07 10:45 |
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oiaohm | Openoffice 3.1.0 is offically released. | May 07 10:51 |
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DaemonFC | hmmm | May 07 10:57 |
DaemonFC | looks like some guy posted a crack that let Windows Dreamscene work on cheaper versions of Vista | May 07 10:58 |
DaemonFC | and got a harassment letter from Microsof | May 07 10:58 |
DaemonFC | *Microsoft | May 07 10:58 |
DaemonFC | but that was likely | May 07 10:58 |
schestowitz | The Curious Case of Android v. Android http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/The-Curious-Case-of-Android-v-Android-66993.html | May 07 11:02 |
schestowitz | harassment letter? | May 07 11:03 |
schestowitz | proof? | May 07 11:03 |
DaemonFC | http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/05/10/hack-to-run-dreamscene-in-vista-home-premium-basic-starter-business-and-enterprise/comment-page-2/#comment-231042 | May 07 11:03 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/google-and-giant-robotic-flyswatter (Google and the Giant Robotic Flyswatter | May 07 11:06 |
schestowitz | It's sick. People own words from the DICTIONARY | May 07 11:06 |
schestowitz | I guess I could call my product "Mug" and then be sued for $1000 | May 07 11:06 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: You ever think about maybe running a toxic.html? | May 07 11:06 |
DaemonFC | there was a program that buried hidden links in your site to confuse spambots at one point | May 07 11:07 |
DaemonFC | I wonder is something could be cooked up to lead Microsoft on a wile goose chase | May 07 11:07 |
DaemonFC | *wild | May 07 11:07 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | May 07 11:08 |
schestowitz | Good fit for a post I have | May 07 11:08 |
DaemonFC | it would be mildly hilarious to have them paying people to chase their own tail | May 07 11:08 |
schestowitz | I mean, the takedown | May 07 11:08 |
DaemonFC | I can't believe they care that much about Dreamscene | May 07 11:08 |
DaemonFC | it's not even in Windows 7 | May 07 11:09 |
DaemonFC | and they said it was cause of its unpopularity | May 07 11:09 |
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schestowitz | ::> | May 07 11:11 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: in the past people didn't mind infringement | May 07 11:11 |
schestowitz | Neither copying of WIndows nor patents | May 07 11:12 |
schestowitz | Now it's using TomTom | May 07 11:12 |
schestowitz | It's suing shops that sell WIndows | May 07 11:12 |
schestowitz | for 'counterfeiting' | May 07 11:12 |
schestowitz | It chases bloggers around with DMCA takedowns | May 07 11:12 |
schestowitz | It sues IBM... OH WAIT!! Microsoft didn't actually do that. t just paid SCO for this | May 07 11:12 |
DaemonFC | no | May 07 11:13 |
ushimitsudoki1 | MS suing TomTom is one of the best things to happen for FLOSS, I think. It removes the whole "MS never used patents aggressively" line that MS apologists so loved to throw around | May 07 11:13 |
DaemonFC | it just bought the most expensive SCO UNIX license EVER | May 07 11:13 |
DaemonFC | ;) | May 07 11:13 |
DaemonFC | Adam Williamson took that line with me | May 07 11:13 |
DaemonFC | on his blog | May 07 11:13 |
schestowitz | ushimitsudoki1: it wasn't just TomTOM | May 07 11:14 |
schestowitz | That was the first patent suit against OFSS | May 07 11:14 |
schestowitz | And also against software | May 07 11:14 |
DaemonFC | so I wonder why Fedora still has FAT support | May 07 11:14 |
schestowitz | It sued over hardware (Primax) | May 07 11:14 |
schestowitz | But...... | May 07 11:14 |
schestowitz | Bear in mind that extortion and lawsuits are the same | May 07 11:14 |
schestowitz | Microsoft sued TomTom after failed extortion | May 07 11:14 |
schestowitz | So it could potentially sue all those that it threatens behind the scene | May 07 11:15 |
schestowitz | *nes | May 07 11:15 |
ushimitsudoki1 | Fedora has it because (perhaps) they don't feel the patents are valid and aren't planning on caving in - whereas TomTom didn't think it was worth it to take a stand | May 07 11:15 |
ushimitsudoki1 | It was a settlement, not a court decision | May 07 11:15 |
schestowitz | There's a workaround | May 07 11:15 |
schestowitz | Tridge thread | May 07 11:15 |
schestowitz | They also work on killing or trashing the patents at a perceptual level | May 07 11:15 |
schestowitz | So that those going to corut will have a day in the field | May 07 11:16 |
schestowitz | This caused a lot of damage to MS | May 07 11:16 |
schestowitz | Lots of lost trust in FOSS | May 07 11:16 |
schestowitz | Many people raise the TomTom example now | May 07 11:16 |
schestowitz | So it wasn't worth the half a million (or less) they got paid | May 07 11:16 |
schestowitz | The FUD they earned comes with resentment too | May 07 11:17 |
ushimitsudoki1 | I sure would love to hear some mono-pusher comments on the TomTom case | May 07 11:18 |
DaemonFC | I think it's gonna be funny when people try to "upgrade" from XP to 7 | May 07 11:20 |
DaemonFC | and find out that's a no no | May 07 11:20 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I found a Microsoft article earlier talking about Kernel Patch Protection | May 07 11:22 |
DaemonFC | basically they could have implemented it on x86, but they basically admitted that they didn't because it breaks a lot of shit | May 07 11:22 |
DaemonFC | so it goes on x64 first and people who want to support x64 will have to live with it from day 1 :P | May 07 11:22 |
DaemonFC | and apparently it was not my imagination, Vista x64 scored about 10% higher on GeekBench than Vista x86 :| | May 07 11:24 |
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schestowitz | MS takedowner: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Emma+Rutherford&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | May 07 11:26 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: vista can't run 64 bit | May 07 11:27 |
schestowitz | ISVs | May 07 11:27 |
schestowitz | No-go area | May 07 11:27 |
DaemonFC | ? | May 07 11:27 |
schestowitz | Maybe servers being a possibility | May 07 11:27 |
schestowitz | Not many apps for 64-bit | May 07 11:27 |
schestowitz | No source code either | May 07 11:27 |
DaemonFC | I have Vista X86-64 | May 07 11:27 |
schestowitz | Does Adobe finally support 64-bit Winder | May 07 11:28 |
schestowitz | It supported Linux 64-bit before Winder | May 07 11:28 |
DaemonFC | they don't really have to | May 07 11:28 |
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DaemonFC | wow64 can run 32-bit applications side by side | May 07 11:29 |
DaemonFC | there's not really much point in having a 64-bit web browser | May 07 11:29 |
DaemonFC | so flash runs all the same | May 07 11:29 |
DaemonFC | there are 32-bit and 64-bit versions of both IE and Windows Media Player though | May 07 11:29 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: GCC or MSVC can both compile for Win64 | May 07 11:30 |
DaemonFC | it's not difficult | May 07 11:30 |
DaemonFC | it's just that most outfits know that since Windows can run either/or, then they may as well just put out the Win32 version | May 07 11:31 |
DaemonFC | most of the benefits of X86-64 have very little to do with performance | May 07 11:32 |
DaemonFC | sometimes the 2 GB per process limit of x86 even helps | May 07 11:32 |
DaemonFC | if a process goes out of control and starts leaking memory for example | May 07 11:32 |
DaemonFC | for anything running in .Net it's whatever architecture Windows is | May 07 11:33 |
DaemonFC | and for JAVA programs, it's whatever version of the JVM you have | May 07 11:34 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: X86-64 really stops being interesting past the point of "You can use more RAM" | May 07 11:35 |
schestowitz | Apple and Microsoft Attack Their Developers and Users (Again) < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/07/apple-and-microsoft-attack/ > | May 07 11:35 |
DaemonFC | DEODORANT DEODORANT DEODORANT DEODORANT!!!!!!!! | May 07 11:36 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 07 11:36 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Apple won't let you run Flash on the iphone | May 07 11:37 |
DaemonFC | so it's basically useless | May 07 11:37 |
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schestowitz | DEODORANT won't run on iphone :-p | May 07 11:38 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: Microsoft and Apple are dinosaurs that still think push content works | May 07 11:40 |
DaemonFC | even though every product using it in the last 10 years has bombed | May 07 11:40 |
DaemonFC | Kevin Carmony was even asking Apple to create a system where if you paid them more, they'd review your app faster and give it a better listing | May 07 11:41 |
DaemonFC | he was wanting to use that to push his Dating DNA app | May 07 11:41 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I actually found something interesting in Microsoft's "sponsored" Vista Sidebar gadgets | May 07 11:43 |
DaemonFC | XM Radio has a gadget that lets you sign up for a 2 week trial | May 07 11:43 |
DaemonFC | but when that runs out you just have to give them another disposable email | May 07 11:43 |
DaemonFC | and sign up for another 2 free weeks | May 07 11:43 |
DaemonFC | and so on | May 07 11:43 |
DaemonFC | Speaking of default browser, search, etc. | May 07 11:44 |
DaemonFC | They've had to heavily modify IE and Windows over the years because of antitrust suits | May 07 11:44 |
DaemonFC | what makes Windows Mobile special? | May 07 11:44 |
iwmw | m$ as prefix | May 07 11:45 |
DaemonFC | They seem to change just enough to comply with the judgment or the settlement | May 07 11:45 |
DaemonFC | cause there's still plenty of shit that you can click on that will only open in IE | May 07 11:46 |
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DaemonFC | IE has never been my favorite anything | May 07 11:47 |
DaemonFC | when they welded it onto Windows 98 I was horrified | May 07 11:47 |
anivar | while looking for dependency maps I came across this patent filed by sun in 1997. Don't you think this patent overlaps or talks essentialy what debian dependencies already do. Can anyone check this and alert if this is serious? http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20080201705 | May 07 11:49 |
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DaemonFC | doubt it matters | May 07 12:04 |
DaemonFC | Debian is older than the patent | May 07 12:04 |
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oiaohm | Debian might be prior art anivar problem is BSD based OS's were doing it first even older again. | May 07 12:18 |
schestowitz | MonoDevelop Moves to Windows, Gnote Comes to GNU/Linux (as Default) < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/07/gnote-comes-to-gnu-as-default/ > | May 07 12:21 |
schestowitz | Sunracle isn't going to attack Debian users | May 07 12:22 |
schestowitz | That would be insane | May 07 12:22 |
schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-mar-jun.html#07%20May%202009%20%28Nigel%20Inkster%29 "igel Inkster, who was MI6 deputy director when MI6 gave the bogus intelligence report that was used to justify conquering Iraq, says that there were doubts about it at the time, and that the UK was "dragged into war". It was dragged by Tony B'liar, who would do anything at all for Bush, even kill. " | May 07 12:24 |
oiaohm | Lol mono guys are going nuts. | May 07 12:24 |
oiaohm | Visual studio on windows basic form is free. | May 07 12:24 |
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oiaohm | http://www.icsharpcode.net/OpenSource/SD/ And you missed schestowitz | May 07 12:25 |
oiaohm | monodevelop is mostly an attack on sharpdevelop were a large section of monodevelop source came from. | May 07 12:25 |
schestowitz | Former MI6 chief says Britain was 'dragged' into Iraq war < http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/5267555/Former-MI6-chief-says-Britain-was-dragged-into-Iraq-war.html > | May 07 12:26 |
DaemonFC | Why the hell would you want to use Mono on Windows? | May 07 12:28 |
schestowitz | NOVL just needs to disseminate its spermcode/DNA inside GNU/Linux and then come with MS to claim ownership of it | May 07 12:29 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: cross platform | May 07 12:29 |
DaemonFC | http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-05-07-voa6.cfm | May 07 12:31 |
DaemonFC | Looks like Pakistan is finally having to deal with the Taliban | May 07 12:31 |
DaemonFC | Maybe they'll be a little bit more agreeable now that they're in danger of being overthrown | May 07 12:32 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 07 12:32 |
schestowitz | Could this be cronies | May 07 12:33 |
DaemonFC | ? | May 07 12:33 |
schestowitz | Maybe a regime working for the US | May 07 12:33 |
schestowitz | It would look better coming from locals | May 07 12:33 |
DaemonFC | nah, the Taliban are some really bad guys | May 07 12:34 |
DaemonFC | they want to kill or convert anyone that's even slightly less radical | May 07 12:34 |
schestowitz | The US almost supported them | May 07 12:34 |
schestowitz | Depends who they need as cannon fodder | May 07 12:34 |
DaemonFC | it's not a win for anyone but them if they get in power there | May 07 12:34 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, but the US had not much problem as long as they launched rocket at Russian tanks | May 07 12:35 |
DaemonFC | I don't think Pakistan wanted to have an all out fight with the Taliban | May 07 12:35 |
DaemonFC | militaries like big scary enemies that they never have to fight | May 07 12:35 |
DaemonFC | but which justify bottomless budgets | May 07 12:35 |
schestowitz | Some of them still use weapons that the US gave them to actually shoot and kill Americans | May 07 12:36 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Soviets would have captured that area and pressed on | May 07 12:36 |
schestowitz | To this date, civilian aeroplane face danger from Stinger missiles made in Columbine or wherever. | May 07 12:36 |
DaemonFC | controlled most of the oil | May 07 12:36 |
DaemonFC | which would have prevented their economy from collapsing | May 07 12:37 |
DaemonFC | and we would still be dealing with a bigger, badder version of them today | May 07 12:37 |
DaemonFC | and I doubt their ambitions would have stopped there | May 07 12:37 |
schestowitz | But that's not the point | May 07 12:37 |
DaemonFC | the problem is that they're a bunch of Macgyvers | May 07 12:38 |
DaemonFC | they can turn any bit of crap that they got from anywhere into a bomb | May 07 12:38 |
DaemonFC | if Pakistan is killing them I say "Yay Pakistan!" and urge them to not accept any "peace talks" | May 07 12:39 |
DaemonFC | because that's a code word for "time to reload" | May 07 12:39 |
DaemonFC | just like the Palestinians | May 07 12:39 |
DaemonFC | they can't be bargained with, if they say they want to talk about peace, it's merely a stall tactic | May 07 12:40 |
schestowitz | What is this site? http://meneame.net/ | May 07 12:40 |
schestowitz | Seems big, we made FP there just now | May 07 12:40 |
DaemonFC | http://72.14.205.132/translate_c?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://meneame.net/&prev=hp&usg=ALkJrhgMOQrHLfsBZ2r5HCBr5WF-Ry5lUg | May 07 12:41 |
DaemonFC | try that | May 07 12:41 |
schestowitz | I miss Gogolebar | May 07 12:42 |
schestowitz | It made translation fast | May 07 12:42 |
schestowitz | The Google Toolbar annoys me | May 07 12:42 |
schestowitz | "Norway denounces corruption in Spain" | May 07 12:42 |
schestowitz | Probably not the Microsoft case | May 07 12:42 |
schestowitz | Anyway, I'vce gotta go now | May 07 12:42 |
schestowitz | bbl | May 07 12:42 |
DaemonFC | I'm hoping that Spain does prosecute the Bush Administration | May 07 12:44 |
DaemonFC | and while they're at it, they can uncover the network of willing accomplices in the UK | May 07 12:44 |
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DaemonFC | this could become the next Nuremberg trial if they really wanted to push it that far | May 07 12:45 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.pcworld.com/article/164487/duke_nukem_fornever_3d_realms_shutting_down.html/ | May 07 12:47 |
DaemonFC | Duke Nukem For-Never? 3D Realms Shutting Down | May 07 12:47 |
*DaemonFC groans | May 07 12:47 |
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trmanco | hello everyone | May 07 13:16 |
DaemonFC | so Logitech releases an update that works on Windows 7 | May 07 13:29 |
DaemonFC | but it's only a web update release | May 07 13:29 |
DaemonFC | and requires the Vista software you can't install | May 07 13:29 |
DaemonFC | can someone tell me how they come up with this shit? | May 07 13:29 |
iwmw | lol | May 07 13:34 |
trmanco | anybody here use geany? | May 07 13:38 |
oiaohm | Maybe they don't like Windows 7 DaemonFC | May 07 13:39 |
DaemonFC | Sounds reasonable til you figure out that 11.9 is only downloadable once you have installed 11.8 and check for updates, but as I pointed out in an earlier post, 11.8 kills Windows 7 dead about halfway through installation. | May 07 13:40 |
DaemonFC | So I updated a Vista system and kidnapped the 11.9 installer from a temp folder: | May 07 13:40 |
DaemonFC | Merry Christmas | May 07 13:40 |
DaemonFC | -Me | May 07 13:40 |
DaemonFC | hehe | May 07 13:40 |
oiaohm | That sounds like logitech wants windows 7 dead. | May 07 13:41 |
iwmw | manufacturers don't like systems that are always changing the ddk for no reason, obviously | May 07 13:45 |
iwmw | as well as userspace api | May 07 13:45 |
iwmw | so they could just vote by producing crappy drivers and by this system goes bb | May 07 13:46 |
iwmw | they could as well bury vista already, did they really need vista? | May 07 13:48 |
DaemonFC | oh sweet! | May 07 13:48 |
DaemonFC | VLC can record to Theora+Vorbis from my cam | May 07 13:48 |
DaemonFC | I don't need Logitech's crapware | May 07 13:49 |
iwmw | yeah, vlc likes to access cameras | May 07 13:49 |
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iwmw | it even recorded from some crappy fake chinese copy of nokia cell of guy that came to me to test it | May 07 13:51 |
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DaemonFC | hmmm | May 07 13:58 |
DaemonFC | always happy when I can kill off a piece of crapware | May 07 13:59 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 07 13:59 |
iwmw | yeah, i even replaced almost all payware mostly bloatware apps with free ones | May 07 14:00 |
DaemonFC | Logitech's software is worthless | May 07 14:00 |
DaemonFC | it will only encode to WMV | May 07 14:00 |
DaemonFC | that's it | May 07 14:00 |
iwmw | wmv... not bad... but w in the name of that format makes me avoid it | May 07 14:01 |
iwmw | they better produced x264 | May 07 14:02 |
iwmw | better quality and less shit | May 07 14:02 |
DaemonFC | VLC lets you do WMV+WMA, x.264+AAC, Theora+Vorbis, Theora+Flac | May 07 14:03 |
DaemonFC | several others | May 07 14:03 |
DaemonFC | but you have choices | May 07 14:03 |
DaemonFC | basically any combination of audio and video that VLC supports is possible | May 07 14:03 |
oiaohm | I though I said VLC when you where having trouble with logitech before DaemonFC? | May 07 14:04 |
DaemonFC | VLC is a swiss army knife, Windows Media Player is old swiss cheese, stinky and full of holes | May 07 14:04 |
DaemonFC | B-) | May 07 14:04 |
DaemonFC | oiahm: VLC has a lot of functionality | May 07 14:05 |
oiaohm | I know. | May 07 14:05 |
DaemonFC | shame that it's not all readily obvious | May 07 14:05 |
oiaohm | Rerecording dvd's into a smaller format is another one I use. | May 07 14:05 |
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DaemonFC | I also noticed that it can rip CDs to FLAC :) | May 07 14:07 |
DaemonFC | thereby replacing my Exact Audio Copy | May 07 14:08 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 07 14:08 |
oiaohm | VLC is not a player. | May 07 14:08 |
oiaohm | Its a player/universal ripping tool. | May 07 14:08 |
trmanco | couldn't help it -> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/a58c27dc88751c26# | May 07 14:08 |
oiaohm | Its just knowing how to make it play ball. | May 07 14:08 |
trmanco | I had to say something | May 07 14:08 |
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oiaohm | tomboy eats memory badly. | May 07 14:10 |
DaemonFC | it also churns the hard disk | May 07 14:11 |
oiaohm | Its hard for mono developers to except that in under a month a clone of a .net program in C++ can basically beat them dead. | May 07 14:12 |
oiaohm | Its also excepting that it took less than 1 month to port most of it. | May 07 14:13 |
trmanco | there is still some addons missing and some don't even work yet | May 07 14:14 |
trmanco | the timestamp addin doesn't work | May 07 14:14 |
trmanco | and you can't disable any addons yet... | May 07 14:15 |
iwmw | in either case... once it's stable people can develop their own addons | May 07 14:15 |
oiaohm | Thinking only 1 month since the start of the gnote project has started how far comlete is it trmanco | May 07 14:15 |
trmanco | just have these two thing bugging me, but overall, it's a nice piece of software | May 07 14:15 |
oiaohm | Its doing extreamly well. | May 07 14:15 |
trmanco | yeah, it sure is | May 07 14:15 |
DaemonFC | http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5841/vlcn.png | May 07 14:15 |
trmanco | things* | May 07 14:15 |
oiaohm | 6 months time it will be basically why tomboy. | May 07 14:16 |
oiaohm | Not something the mono camp was expecting. | May 07 14:16 |
iwmw | so you like doors | May 07 14:17 |
trmanco | I hope it gets better than tomboy (new functionality for example) | May 07 14:17 |
oiaohm | http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/plugins Nice gcc going moduler. | May 07 14:17 |
DaemonFC | hehe | May 07 14:18 |
DaemonFC | yeah | May 07 14:18 |
DaemonFC | I am going to kill Kevin Carmony for what he did though :P | May 07 14:18 |
DaemonFC | http://kevincarmony.com/linspire_videos/RunLinspire.swf | May 07 14:18 |
oiaohm | That is the other thing gnote can port in tomboy but tomboy cannot port in gnote. | May 07 14:19 |
oiaohm | Licence issue. | May 07 14:19 |
iwmw | what's tomboy license? | May 07 14:19 |
oiaohm | gplv2 tomboy gplv3 gnote | May 07 14:19 |
iwmw | lol | May 07 14:19 |
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iwmw | why isn't tomboy gplv3? | May 07 14:20 |
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oiaohm | There are still a lot of things that are not iwmw | May 07 14:20 |
iwmw | yeah, but why they started it with gplv2 not 3? | May 07 14:21 |
trmanco | it's not only gplv2 | May 07 14:22 |
iwmw | so gplv3 denies other licenses under which tomboy is licensed? | May 07 14:23 |
oiaohm | gplv3 can have gplv2 licence code inside. | May 07 14:25 |
oiaohm | Mirror don't work. | May 07 14:26 |
iwmw | i just read that tomboy is lgpl | May 07 14:26 |
oiaohm | Its the version. | May 07 14:26 |
trmanco | I was referring to this post a while back, copied the wrong link...-> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/d5cf14290de2a1e3 | May 07 14:29 |
iwmw | you posted link to post of some ignorant user | May 07 14:30 |
iwmw | before | May 07 14:30 |
trmanco | http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.2.3.php | May 07 14:32 |
trmanco | he is an idiot | May 07 14:32 |
trmanco | I see he already replied back, I'll give him another reply and then back he goes to my killfile again, it's not worth it, reading post from a peanut sized brain troll | May 07 14:33 |
trmanco | posts* | May 07 14:33 |
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Omar87 | Guys, what do you think of the upcoming Walfram Alpha search engine? | May 07 14:41 |
Omar87 | Will it really be so revolutionary that it might even wipe Google out? | May 07 14:42 |
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iwmw | not too much was said about that so you can't make prognosis | May 07 14:45 |
iwmw | in either case.... it's launching this month so you will try and see | May 07 14:46 |
iwmw | from what i read about wolframalpha it would rather be a good complement to usual search engines not a replacer of popular ones | May 07 14:56 |
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DaemonFC | Can anyone explain why Vista feels faster and more stable than KDE? | May 07 15:00 |
DaemonFC | I'm still waiting on that one | May 07 15:00 |
trmanco | how can it feal faster if it's core components suck? | May 07 15:00 |
DaemonFC | I'm not joking | May 07 15:00 |
DaemonFC | Vista's GUI is much more responsive than KDE | May 07 15:01 |
trmanco | I haven't tried kde 4 yet | May 07 15:01 |
DaemonFC | they botched KDE 4.x big time | May 07 15:01 |
trmanco | but I have tried vista a couple of times | May 07 15:01 |
trmanco | just wait until kde 4.5 comes out :-P | May 07 15:01 |
DaemonFC | last version I tried was 4.2.2 | May 07 15:01 |
DaemonFC | I wasn't thrilled | May 07 15:02 |
DaemonFC | GNOME still runs better | May 07 15:02 |
trmanco | what about kde 3.5 | May 07 15:02 |
trmanco | ? | May 07 15:02 |
DaemonFC | KDE 3.5.10 is alright | May 07 15:02 |
DaemonFC | if you strap Compiz Fusion onto it | May 07 15:03 |
MinceR | 4.2.2 should still be called some sort of 4.0 beta or prebeta | May 07 15:03 |
DaemonFC | that's what a few distros are still doing | May 07 15:03 |
trmanco | yeah | May 07 15:03 |
MinceR | kicker still works badly with compiz, doesn't it? | May 07 15:03 |
DaemonFC | well, the korrekt thing to do in KDE is Kwin | May 07 15:03 |
DaemonFC | of kourse | May 07 15:03 |
MinceR | kwin's compositing is buggy | May 07 15:04 |
MinceR | it leaves droppings | May 07 15:04 |
MinceR | kde3 kwin, that is | May 07 15:04 |
MinceR | or that separate program that does it there | May 07 15:04 |
DaemonFC | yeah, I'm beginning to think that sorting KDE 4 out will take a long long time | May 07 15:04 |
DaemonFC | at least another year | May 07 15:04 |
MinceR | once i did a calculation based on 3.0->3.5 but i forgot the result | May 07 15:05 |
twitter | I'm aware of HDDVD ripping tools. Like DeCSS before them, they prove that GNU/Linux can be used to deliver restricted media they way media should be delivered - without restrictions. ha ha. | May 07 15:05 |
DaemonFC | from KDE 4.0 to 4.2.0, they had over 67,000 commits | May 07 15:05 |
DaemonFC | and the thing still doesn't work right | May 07 15:05 |
twitter | Still, DRM'd media should never be protected by copyright because it can never enter the public domain. | May 07 15:05 |
DaemonFC | major parts of GNOME can change and the user won't even notice, because they wait til the new system is in place to deprecate the old one | May 07 15:06 |
twitter | Like RMS says, you can't depend on being able to break copy protection, it should just be against the law to restrict media that way. | May 07 15:06 |
DaemonFC | so it's not like they're ripping the rug out from under you | May 07 15:06 |
DaemonFC | copy protection will always be breakable | May 07 15:07 |
DaemonFC | especially when they have to leave implementation gaps for their "partners" | May 07 15:07 |
twitter | yes, but they will always be a pain. | May 07 15:07 |
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twitter | and the pursuit always violates your rights and encourages stupid laws | May 07 15:08 |
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twitter | With broadcasters like Fox dying, these idiot laws will start to fade. | May 07 15:08 |
twitter | Without money, they can't fund corruption. | May 07 15:08 |
twitter | their position still gives them power, but advertisers have realized how little power they have left. | May 07 15:09 |
SubsonicB | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/06/eff-sues-obama-admin.html | May 07 15:09 |
twitter | broadcast is a form of censorship that has been routed around. | May 07 15:09 |
SubsonicB | publicly available information shows that the treaty could establish far-reaching customs regulations over Internet traffic in the guise of anti-counterfeiting measures. Additionally, multi-national IP industry companies have publicly requested that ISPs be required to engage in filtering of their customers’ Internet communications for potentially copyright-infringing material, force... | May 07 15:09 |
SubsonicB | ...mandatory disclosure of personal information about alleged copyright infringers, and adopt “Three Strikes” policies requiring ISPs to automatically terminate customers’ Internet access upon a repeat allegation of copyright infringement. | May 07 15:09 |
DaemonFC | well, the advertising is worthless when people are unemployed or underemployed and jsut looking to pay bills and eat | May 07 15:09 |
twitter | cool. EFF goes after ACTA. | May 07 15:10 |
DaemonFC | they asked me what I was going to spend my stimulus check on this year and I wrote "RENT" | May 07 15:10 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 07 15:10 |
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twitter | no, advertising works as long as people eat | May 07 15:10 |
DaemonFC | how is that? | May 07 15:10 |
SubsonicB | And look at just what happened at the European Parliament | May 07 15:11 |
twitter | it can guide where and what they eat, that's valuable | May 07 15:11 |
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DaemonFC | I go to ALDI, nothing in there gets advertised | May 07 15:11 |
DaemonFC | except that it's cheap | May 07 15:11 |
twitter | yeah, the days you could synchronize a whole country with broadcast are over. | May 07 15:12 |
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DaemonFC | Walmart is in trouble now because they've outsourced so many manufacturing jobs | May 07 15:12 |
twitter | really? | May 07 15:12 |
DaemonFC | now they're looking to flee the US to go rough up other countries for money | May 07 15:12 |
DaemonFC | yeah, they're opening up more stores in foreign countries than they are here | May 07 15:13 |
DaemonFC | you never saw them prioritize that even ten years ago | May 07 15:13 |
DaemonFC | they know how much they've soured this place with their smash and grab operation | May 07 15:14 |
twitter | their business model squeezes contractors, such as my next door neighbor. he moved to overseas manufacturing and they squeeze him harder. | May 07 15:14 |
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twitter | either way, they make money. | May 07 15:14 |
DaemonFC | no, what they'll do now is ditch him | May 07 15:14 |
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DaemonFC | and buy straight from his supplier | May 07 15:14 |
twitter | I don't think so | May 07 15:14 |
DaemonFC | they used him to put himself out of business | May 07 15:14 |
twitter | too much work | May 07 15:14 |
DaemonFC | no, I've seen them do it | May 07 15:14 |
twitter | and you've seen their product line go to pure shit you would never buy, haven't you? | May 07 15:15 |
DaemonFC | they convinced him he'd make all this money if he just fired all of his employees and ordered from China | May 07 15:15 |
twitter | nah, he's always been a middle man. | May 07 15:15 |
DaemonFC | now they have him shut down his capacity, do the legwork of gearing up the suppliers to make shit to his specs | May 07 15:15 |
DaemonFC | then they cut him out, rebrand it all | May 07 15:15 |
DaemonFC | and sell his stuff without him selling it to them | May 07 15:15 |
twitter | he knows people who had actual employees but I don't think he ever did | May 07 15:16 |
trmanco | wow | May 07 15:16 |
DaemonFC | they tricked the CEO of the company I used to work for like that | May 07 15:16 |
trmanco | transmission is getting powerful | May 07 15:16 |
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DaemonFC | now even he's out of a job | May 07 15:16 |
DaemonFC | yeah he was making great money between the day he fired everyone and about a year later | May 07 15:17 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 07 15:17 |
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_Hicham_ | Hi All! | May 07 15:30 |
trmanco | 10 reasons why Linux will oust Windows: http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/software/0,39044822,62052873,00.htm | May 07 15:31 |
trmanco | hi _Hicham_ | May 07 15:31 |
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Omar87 | Guys, what do you think of the new Walfram Alpha thing? Some people say that it might be a replacement for Google... | May 07 15:37 |
MinceR | i don't know it. url? | May 07 15:55 |
_Hicham_ | مرحبا بالسيد عمر | May 07 15:57 |
MinceR | nice | May 07 16:00 |
MinceR | opera doesn't recognize that as a url, though :> | May 07 16:00 |
_Hicham_ | where is the URL MinceR? | May 07 16:03 |
MinceR | oh, you're _Hicham_, not Omar87 | May 07 16:03 |
trmanco | lol | May 07 16:04 |
*MinceR forgot to read the nicks again | May 07 16:04 |
MinceR | maybe i should get a nick-coloring script, however ugly it looks. | May 07 16:04 |
trmanco | my nick are colored | May 07 16:04 |
_Hicham_ | what client do u use MinceR? | May 07 16:04 |
trmanco | nicks* | May 07 16:04 |
MinceR | irssi | May 07 16:04 |
trmanco | probobly irssi | May 07 16:04 |
trmanco | yeah | May 07 16:04 |
trmanco | I thought so | May 07 16:04 |
_Hicham_ | why not just plain Pidgin? | May 07 16:06 |
_Hicham_ | Pidgin just rocks | May 07 16:06 |
MinceR | pidgin just fails | May 07 16:08 |
MinceR | after having pidgin crash twice because i received a jabber message, i replaced it with gajim | May 07 16:09 |
MinceR | but for personal use i stick with irssi+bitlbee | May 07 16:09 |
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trmanco | pidgin rarely crashes | May 07 16:22 |
trmanco | on my machine | May 07 16:22 |
trmanco | text based applications tend to be a lot more stable than gui based apps, for obvious | May 07 16:23 |
MinceR | i've heard of the same kind of pidgin crashes around here | May 07 16:27 |
trmanco | it does crash, but no really often | May 07 16:29 |
trmanco | I do have 2 jabber accounts and it works fine, for now | May 07 16:30 |
trmanco | latest version though | May 07 16:30 |
_Hicham_ | MinceR : don't be negative, if it crashes, try to find out why | May 07 16:33 |
_Hicham_ | contribute | May 07 16:33 |
_Hicham_ | at least with bug reporting | May 07 16:33 |
_Hicham_ | that is open source | May 07 16:33 |
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MinceR | i know why: because it's pidgin | May 07 16:40 |
MinceR | fixed by switching to gajim. :> | May 07 16:40 |
trmanco | it looks pretty much the same | May 07 16:41 |
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schestowitz | Classic UK... London Olympics Says No To Free Software < http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/London_Olympics_Says_No_To_Free_Software > | May 07 16:49 |
schestowitz | "Too much risk..." to Microsoft's revene | May 07 16:49 |
schestowitz | Sounds like the usual collusion | May 07 16:49 |
schestowitz | Just like in China | May 07 16:49 |
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Omar87 | MinceR: www.walframalpha.com, however, it's not launched yet. It will be launched anytime this month though. | May 07 17:06 |
Omar87 | MinceR: Sorry, I meant http://www.wolframalpha.com/ | May 07 17:07 |
schestowitz | Sounds like another Cuil or Wikia | May 07 17:09 |
schestowitz | Yawn-worthy | May 07 17:09 |
schestowitz | They are already well placed in Google for maths stuff | May 07 17:09 |
schestowitz | They are Wikipedia for maths to some people | May 07 17:09 |
schestowitz | brb | May 07 17:09 |
schestowitz | Updated: Microsoft Lays Off 28 Percent Of In-Game Advertising Unit Staff < http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-report-microsoft-guts-in-game-advertising-unit-in-layoffs/ ? So it's not 75% after all. | May 07 17:11 |
schestowitz | OpenOffice.org 3.1.0 is available < http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/openoffice_org_3_1_0 > | May 07 17:12 |
schestowitz | Get OpenOffice.org 3.1.0 now if you want the nice new features: http://download.openoffice.org/ | May 07 17:12 |
trmanco | I'll write about it later | May 07 17:12 |
schestowitz | I'm gonna change the format of IRC logs | May 07 17:13 |
schestowitz | Starting tomorrow | May 07 17:13 |
trmanco | what will it look like | May 07 17:14 |
schestowitz | Notice how the Microsoft-inclined pres, which is rubbish, poses the Microsoft vs ODF situation as an IBM thing. The lies... | May 07 17:15 |
Omar87 | Alright, now that's wierd.. | May 07 17:15 |
schestowitz | IBM is mostly the messenger here | May 07 17:16 |
schestowitz | Omar87: what's yp | May 07 17:16 |
Omar87 | I tried to check for updates in OO.o, but it failed. | May 07 17:16 |
schestowitz | Did you see the CNET link I gave you days ago? | May 07 17:16 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: What was it about? | May 07 17:16 |
schestowitz | Omar87: probably not there, yet | May 07 17:16 |
schestowitz | Omar87: let me find it | May 07 17:16 |
schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10232069-38.html | May 07 17:16 |
schestowitz | Sounds like he drank from Microsoft's Kool-Aid far too much. See what he says about OSS | May 07 17:17 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: Yeah, but it didn't even try, it failed immediately. | May 07 17:17 |
schestowitz | Oh.. that free software thing... it's so EXPENSIVE!! *rolls eyes* | May 07 17:17 |
schestowitz | MSDN Magazine gets slashed... http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/05/07/microsoft_products_scaled_back/ | May 07 17:19 |
schestowitz | Microsoft hasn't enough money to run its units | May 07 17:19 |
schestowitz | 3D Realms is kaput < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/technology/8037688.stm >, but hopefully they'll give the engine and models to the community; it's dead either way. | May 07 17:21 |
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schestowitz | Victoria's article/headline about ODF was changed a little to show that ODF!=IBM: Microsoft under fire for ODF glitch in Excel < http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39649168,00.htm > | May 07 17:22 |
trmanco | Engage, embrace, extinguish: http://harishpillay.livejournal.com/157565.html | May 07 17:22 |
trmanco | Yahoo has been invaded by Microsoft from the very inside ->http://lonelyspooky.com/2009/05/06/ate-tu-yahoo/ | May 07 17:23 |
schestowitz | In June I'm gonna make super-progress on Wiki+Comes exhibits. I have thousands of crimes I want to expose. | May 07 17:23 |
schestowitz | Yes, Yahoo is poisoned | May 07 17:24 |
schestowitz | "Today we have OpenOffice.org 3.1 gets released. In the meantime, the proprietary product from Redmond claims to be able to wirte ODF format, but fails. Pity. Money corrupts, but MS Tax Dollars corrupts absolutely." http://harishpillay.livejournal.com/157565.html | May 07 17:24 |
schestowitz | trmanco: he just retwitted my [ANN] re OOo | May 07 17:26 |
trmanco | ANN? | May 07 17:26 |
schestowitz | Duke Nukem Forever developer defunct, says staffer < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/05/07/duke_down_as_3d_realms_closes/ > | May 07 17:26 |
schestowitz | USENET: ANNouncement | May 07 17:26 |
schestowitz | Yahoo used to recommend Firefox 3.09 | May 07 17:27 |
schestowitz | That is, when Jerry was in charge | May 07 17:27 |
schestowitz | Now it's just ctotally corrupted | May 07 17:28 |
trmanco | ah | May 07 17:28 |
schestowitz | Bartz is a partner of Ballmer | May 07 17:28 |
schestowitz | Since years ago | May 07 17:28 |
schestowitz | Icahn must be happy about her appointment | May 07 17:28 |
trmanco | yeah, I remember yahoo recommending Firefox with Yahoo toolbar | May 07 17:28 |
schestowitz | Icahn should be sent to prison along with Wall Street bankers and Nathan Mhyrvold | May 07 17:28 |
schestowitz | The software patents cartel, including hired Microsoft shills like ACT, get their way in the UK. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/07/ipo_approve_software_patent/ | May 07 17:30 |
schestowitz | Microsoft now attempt to fragment ODF < http://homembit.com/2009/05/microsoft-now-attempt-to-fragment-odf.html > Remember Java? | May 07 17:33 |
schestowitz | Ben Slivka, Microsoft: "great Win 32 implementations written/deployed. [...] Do encourage fragmentation of the Java classlib space."" Think ODF. | May 07 17:33 |
schestowitz | Gavin Clarke is boosting Silver Lie again | May 07 17:35 |
schestowitz | He pretends Silver Lie if the leader or somwthint | May 07 17:36 |
schestowitz | Known MS strategy | May 07 17:36 |
schestowitz | Treat the Web as through Adobe doesn't exist in RIA | May 07 17:36 |
schestowitz | Disgusting and dishonest | May 07 17:36 |
trmanco | who wrote this -> http://news.cnet.com/2100-1001-252681.html? | May 07 17:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.examiner.com/x-6683-Apple-Products-Examiner~y2009m4d27-My-top-5-Mac-apps-5-Nvu "Nvu by Linspire/Mozilla is an HTML editor, but one with a GUI, and interface" | May 07 17:43 |
schestowitz | What? | May 07 17:43 |
schestowitz | Nvu by Linspire/Mozilla? | May 07 17:43 |
schestowitz | Can anyone confirm this is erroneous? | May 07 17:43 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: I just finished reading it. | May 07 17:43 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: It does feel a bit sad.. | May 07 17:44 |
schestowitz | trmanco: I care more about who DELETED it | May 07 17:44 |
trmanco | I would love to get my eyes on the article | May 07 17:44 |
schestowitz | trmanco: there are parellel ones | May 07 17:46 |
schestowitz | I think it's the Allchin statments | May 07 17:46 |
trmanco | I can't find it in the archive :( | May 07 17:46 |
trmanco | damn | May 07 17:46 |
schestowitz | They go to the government and describe FOSS as though it's communism that will rape your baby | May 07 17:46 |
schestowitz | Jm Allchin is one heck of a felon | May 07 17:46 |
schestowitz | You can find lots about him in BN | May 07 17:47 |
schestowitz | He should not be in retirement; he should be in a prison cell. | May 07 17:47 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: I don't know why, but I feel like none of what the Jordanian Minister said about FOSS doesn't make any sense. | May 07 17:48 |
schestowitz | It doesn't | May 07 17:49 |
schestowitz | he's like Steel in the UK | May 07 17:49 |
schestowitz | it's a bunch of people who drink the MS Koo-Aid | May 07 17:49 |
schestowitz | To them, FOSS id made by kids in mom's basement | May 07 17:49 |
schestowitz | That's what Microsoft tells them | May 07 17:49 |
Omar87 | Damn it man. | May 07 17:50 |
schestowitz | trmanco: help me find a quote | May 07 17:50 |
schestowitz | Somehting about GNOME devs saying "it's almost like Windows" | May 07 17:50 |
schestowitz | Said in reference to GNOME and Mono | May 07 17:50 |
trmanco | ah | May 07 17:50 |
trmanco | that would be nice now wouldn't it? | May 07 17:50 |
schestowitz | Russell quoted it a while back, but it's not easy to find | May 07 17:50 |
schestowitz | "Windows toys" or something | May 07 17:51 |
schestowitz | trmanco: I just replied to you in BN | May 07 17:51 |
schestowitz | But I quote just Novell de Icaza | May 07 17:51 |
schestowitz | It would be nice to quote non-Novellers | May 07 17:51 |
trmanco | let me finish reading the news, then I will try and find something | May 07 17:51 |
schestowitz | Like the Friendmanites | May 07 17:51 |
Omar87 | He claims that Jordan needs to wait for companies out side to come invest here because it has no natural resources. Well, what do natural resources have to do with software??? | May 07 17:51 |
schestowitz | Not the economist, the Nat (Microsoft employee) | May 07 17:52 |
schestowitz | *Friedmanites | May 07 17:52 |
schestowitz | Omar87: so he promotes colonialism | May 07 17:52 |
Omar87 | It's not like you're gonna need 10000 tons of gold and diamond to build a Linux distro, right? | May 07 17:52 |
schestowitz | That's rubbish | May 07 17:52 |
schestowitz | Jordan has Petra and tourrism | May 07 17:53 |
schestowitz | Maybe oil too, but I think it's further east | May 07 17:53 |
schestowitz | To say, "let the foreigners save us" is like saying let them take out labour and offer us something | May 07 17:53 |
schestowitz | Like Britain in India. | May 07 17:53 |
Omar87 | It not only doesn't make sense, it's also hilariously stupid! :D | May 07 17:53 |
schestowitz | Omar87: that's why I showed you this article | May 07 17:54 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: Thanks man. :) | May 07 17:54 |
schestowitz | The US has no natural resources, either | May 07 17:54 |
schestowitz | Nothing like Iraq's | May 07 17:54 |
schestowitz | But it has invaded other people's countries with trade rules sicne the 19th century | May 07 17:54 |
schestowitz | Kind of like the British, just bigger | May 07 17:55 |
schestowitz | They actually took some nations from the British and even Cuba from the Spanish | May 07 17:55 |
schestowitz | So that they can oppress the population rather than the Spanish | May 07 17:55 |
schestowitz | Or look at Saddam | May 07 17:55 |
schestowitz | They promised to end abuse of citizens | May 07 17:55 |
schestowitz | But their prisons there are torture devices | May 07 17:55 |
schestowitz | There was an atritcle about it in the British papers today | May 07 17:56 |
Omar87 | Even Japan has not natural resources. | May 07 17:56 |
schestowitz | Omar87: nope | May 07 17:56 |
schestowitz | Fishery | May 07 17:56 |
schestowitz | ushimitsudoki would know | May 07 17:56 |
schestowitz | Japan oppressed China | May 07 17:56 |
Omar87 | I'll brb. | May 07 17:56 |
schestowitz | AFAIK from a friend who's Chinese they also slaughtered many | May 07 17:56 |
schestowitz | Same with the British BTW | May 07 17:56 |
schestowitz | Fights over slavery pretty much | May 07 17:56 |
schestowitz | The British had signs on property in China. | May 07 17:57 |
schestowitz | "No dogs and Chinese allowed" (maybe not exact quotes) | May 07 17:57 |
schestowitz | The Germans used similar banners before WW2 | May 07 17:57 |
schestowitz | "I don't really see any major improvements. It looks the same. It feels the same. Same applications. Same everything." http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry4326.html | May 07 17:58 |
schestowitz | brb | May 07 18:00 |
schestowitz | Old new re-reported: French National Police Dump Windows for Linux < http://www.infopackets.com/news/business/microsoft/2009/20090506_french_national_police_dump_windows_for_linux.htm >. BillG visited Paris at exactly that time. Why? | May 07 18:17 |
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Omar87 | schestowitz: By the way, regarding the line: "You have to develop software to interface with the open source, which will cost you more. A country like Jordan cannot afford such things. ", I know a guy who's not even an IT graduate (Math) but have successfully established a Fedora-based distro called Ojouba-أعجوبة (meaning: Miracle, or something extraordinary). | May 07 18:24 |
schestowitz | Yes, it's affordable | May 07 18:24 |
schestowitz | Some 'kiddie' companies like IBM and GOogle use that. Oracle too. | May 07 18:24 |
schestowitz | Netcraft Lists April's Most Reliable Sites < http://www.thewhir.com/web-hosting-news/050609_Netcraft_Lists_Aprils_Most_Reliable_Sites > I'm not sure Netcraft can be trusted at all. | May 07 18:25 |
Omar87 | So "it's gonna cost you a lot" is just plain non-sense. | May 07 18:25 |
schestowitz | Microsoft manufactures (read: bribes analysts) to produce papers that say this | May 07 18:33 |
schestowitz | Dell is said to be preparing to ship Android.. http://web20.telecomtv.com/pages/?newsid=44900&id=e9381817-0593-417a-8639-c4c53e2a2a10&view=news | May 07 18:34 |
schestowitz | Energy of the Future: Igniting a Star With Laser Light http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2009/05/gallery_nif | May 07 18:44 |
schestowitz | http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2009/05/peeve-of-day.html "I was at the optometrist with Patricia, who is near-sighted like me. Or rather - not like me, since I've had lasik, and since she's more nearsighted than I ever was. She's blind as a bat without glasses or contacts, in other words." | May 07 18:45 |
schestowitz | Linus wears no glasses anymore | May 07 18:46 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft still loses money in XBox and Nintendo.. well... Nintendo financials reveal impressive Wii, DS sales < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/05/07/nintendo_2009_financials/ > | May 07 18:56 |
MinceR | Omar87: well, Wolfram Alpha doesn't seem like a general-purpose web search | May 07 19:08 |
schestowitz | Vista7 Draws Complaints from Mozilla < http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3819176/Windows-7-Draws-Complaints-from-Mozilla.htm > | May 07 19:09 |
schestowitz | Venezuelan government’s Canaima GNU/Linux 2.0.1 stable is released < http://news.northxsouth.com/2009/05/06/venezuelan-governments-canaima-gnulinux-201-stable-is-released/ > And their national migration continues. | May 07 19:14 |
schestowitz | http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/945_signs.jpg | May 07 19:15 |
MinceR | "you are what you eat"? | May 07 19:16 |
Balrog_ | anyone here knows wget? | May 07 19:17 |
schestowitz | MinceR: maybe. But it gets processed | May 07 19:17 |
schestowitz | Balrog_: yes, waddup? | May 07 19:17 |
MinceR | Balrog_: i do | May 07 19:17 |
schestowitz | Cat Stevens Claims Coldplay's 'Viva La Vida' Was Copied From His Song, Not Satriani's < http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090504/1649054744.shtml > | May 07 19:17 |
MinceR | "i can wget" "show me" | May 07 19:18 |
schestowitz | Early Results: Labels Losing Money on iTunes Variable Pricing... < http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/stories/050309itunes > | May 07 19:18 |
Balrog_ | MinceR: you know what to do when wget is pulling http://somesite.com/* then http://somesite.com/%2F%2F/* which leads to infinite recursion? | May 07 19:18 |
Balrog_ | I added '%2F%2F' to exclude dirs, and it didn't help | May 07 19:18 |
schestowitz | Exclude dirs? | May 07 19:19 |
schestowitz | -r? | May 07 19:19 |
Balrog_ | one sec. | May 07 19:19 |
schestowitz | #wget -q -r -l1 -H -t1 -nd -N -np -erobots=off -i SITE | May 07 19:20 |
schestowitz | Where SITE is a file | May 07 19:20 |
schestowitz | with a list of URLs | May 07 19:20 |
schestowitz | Prison Awaiting Hostile Bloggers < http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/prison-awaiting-hostile-bloggers/ > | May 07 19:21 |
schestowitz | Be nice to the people around you. | May 07 19:21 |
Balrog_ | 'wget -m -np -E -k -K -p --user-agent=$random "-e robots=off --timeout=40 --tries=3 --exclude-directories=$exclude_directories $urls' | May 07 19:22 |
Balrog_ | that's what my line looks like | May 07 19:22 |
Balrog_ | though the quotes are a bit messed up there...so don't pay attention to that part | May 07 19:22 |
schestowitz | Congressional computers continue to be used to vandalize Wikipedia < http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Congressional_computers_continue_to_be_used_to_vandalize_Wikipedia > | May 07 19:23 |
schestowitz | What's it for? | May 07 19:23 |
schestowitz | The Pirate Google? | May 07 19:23 |
schestowitz | http://www.thepirategoogle.com/ | May 07 19:23 |
Balrog_ | you're asking me? | May 07 19:23 |
Balrog_ | Archiving old sites that may disappear | May 07 19:24 |
Balrog_ | it's part of a script that takes the site and then rar's it up (I don't like rar but it allows for already compressed files to be excluded). | May 07 19:24 |
schestowitz | Yes, Democracy!!111 Chief Army Chaplain in Afghanistan distributes local-language Bibles, orders congregation to convert locals < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/06/chief-army-chaplain.html >> | May 07 19:24 |
schestowitz | Some sites don't like that | May 07 19:26 |
schestowitz | It hammers them | May 07 19:26 |
schestowitz | Also, there's the issue of copyrights | May 07 19:26 |
Balrog_ | I know about that stuff | May 07 19:26 |
schestowitz | Some would say even browser cache or whatever is 'violation' | May 07 19:26 |
Balrog_ | about hammering, I use --wait-random and other wait commands | May 07 19:26 |
schestowitz | The Chrysler deal confirms President Obama's disregard for the law. < http://reason.com/news/show/133325.html >. The Business Party still in power. | May 07 19:27 |
schestowitz | Supreme Court: Feds Abusing Identity Theft Law < http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/supreme-court-feds-abusing-identity-theft-law/ > | May 07 19:28 |
schestowitz | We have a lot of terrorists in the UK. :) London cops catch and search a potential terrorist every three minutes < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/05/london-cops-catch-an.html > | May 07 19:29 |
schestowitz | The press describes Microsoft's ODF snub as a "glitch". As court exhibits show, such things are not glitches but sabotage. | May 07 19:44 |
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schestowitz | Be careful of what the Burton Group says about ODF right now, Microsoft paid them a lot to attack ODF. | May 07 19:45 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft, Yahoo Deal Still Possible < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/05/07/microsoft-yahoo-deal-still-possible >. Microsoft has already stolen Yahoo's soul. http://lonelyspooky.com/2009/05/06/ate-tu-yahoo/ | May 07 19:55 |
bgtr4 | lol | May 07 19:57 |
schestowitz | Student's Wikipedia hoax quote used worldwide in newspaper obituaries < http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0506/1224245992919.html >. | May 07 19:57 |
schestowitz | Here is the URL for army bibles (now you know why it's called crusade) again: < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/06/chief-army-chaplain.html > | May 07 19:58 |
trmanco | anybody here have an ooo 3.1 spalsh screen shot around? | May 07 19:59 |
trmanco | splash* | May 07 20:00 |
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schestowitz | SplashTOP! | May 07 20:05 |
schestowitz | Dmitri regularly writes for these chaps now: http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/blogs/productivity_sauce_dmitri_s_open_source_blend_of_productive_computing/access_your_apps_and_docs_remotely_with_freenx < Access Your Apps and Docs Remotely with FreeNX > | May 07 20:06 |
bgtr4 | aww. i wanted to test ff3.5b4 | May 07 20:07 |
schestowitz | It's funny how publications that are active change over time | May 07 20:07 |
schestowitz | Linux.com down, Groklaw quiet, Technocrat shuts down, /. loses momentum, Linux Pro Magazine rises, SJVN comes to IDG... | May 07 20:07 |
bgtr4 | You may have heard the news . . . | May 07 20:09 |
bgtr4 | The Linux Foundation is taking over Linux.com. | May 07 20:09 |
bgtr4 | what does it mean? | May 07 20:09 |
bgtr4 | (linux.com) | May 07 20:09 |
schestowitz | It must be true. There are many TERROR~1 out there. 400,000 still on terror watchlist, including author of book on Rove <http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/05/06/terrorist-watchlist-exceeds-400000/ > | May 07 20:11 |
schestowitz | bgtr4: not much | May 07 20:12 |
schestowitz | Just that it's kaput | May 07 20:12 |
*bgtr4 should definitely read about prev owners of linux.com and linux foundation owners | May 07 20:14 |
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schestowitz | Criminalisation: US teacher broke law by describing creationism as 'superstitious nonsense' < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/06/us-creationism-teacher-first-amendment > | May 07 20:15 |
bgtr4 | linux foundation is smth beurocratic i think | May 07 20:16 |
schestowitz | IBM | May 07 20:16 |
bgtr4 | 70 members | May 07 20:16 |
schestowitz | et al | May 07 20:16 |
bgtr4 | ibm wasn't listed the first there... but from my experience it means nothing | May 07 20:16 |
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bgtr4 | sourceforge is the owner of linux.com? | May 07 20:18 |
bgtr4 | and who's the owner of sourceforge? | May 07 20:18 |
schestowitz | US spy boss pushes for unified cyber-command center < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/06/cyber_command_center_proposal/ > | May 07 20:18 |
schestowitz | bgtr4: LNUX | May 07 20:19 |
schestowitz | @#2357235273 UK Home Secretary announces ID card pilot launch < http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/UK_Home_Secretary_announces_ID_card_pilot_launch > the Tories will love this | May 07 20:21 |
schestowitz | It's like in the futuristic films | May 07 20:21 |
schestowitz | Maybe they can brand us like cows, too | May 07 20:21 |
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schestowitz | Can a person really own simple facts and place on embargo on readers? http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/05/who-owns-the-facts-the-ap-and-the-hot-news-controversy.ars | May 07 20:25 |
schestowitz | *impose an | May 07 20:25 |
bgtr4 | who's lnux? | May 07 20:25 |
bgtr4 | i can't find a proper answer via search engines | May 07 20:25 |
bgtr4 | didn't search for an hour yet to be sure that it's not described | May 07 20:27 |
schestowitz | Hulo, Goodbye. http://techdirt.com/articles/20090506/1650154773.shtml (Hulu Continues Its War On Users) | May 07 20:27 |
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schestowitz | bgtr4: Some company in the east coast | May 07 20:28 |
schestowitz | Nothing fancy | May 07 20:28 |
schestowitz | Stock crashed years ago | May 07 20:28 |
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schestowitz | Guy Convicted Of Hacking For Uploading Naked Picture Of Himself < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090506/0219504764.shtml > | May 07 20:29 |
Balrog_ | schestowitz: that Infoworld article is still missing | May 07 20:30 |
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schestowitz | Is it...? | May 07 20:33 |
schestowitz | Well, how convenient | May 07 20:33 |
Balrog_ | http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/09/05/020905hnmssecure.html | May 07 20:35 |
Balrog_ | searching doesn't help | May 07 20:35 |
schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: LXer has just reposted your thing: http://www.olpcnews.com/sales_talk/microsoft/how_microsoft_got_xp_on_the_xo.html | May 07 20:42 |
schestowitz | Balrog_: to Microsoft, this is the happy ending | May 07 20:43 |
Balrog_ | :/ | May 07 20:44 |
schestowitz | Make a local copy from Web Archive | May 07 20:47 |
bgtr4 | oh... i was just ignoring nasdaq links... http://www.marketwatch.com/quotes/lnux | May 07 20:50 |
bgtr4 | so it's rising | May 07 20:51 |
schestowitz | LNUX up above 1% ? ;-) | May 07 20:56 |
bgtr4 | noo | May 07 20:57 |
bgtr4 | omg... i don't understand nasdaq | May 07 20:57 |
schestowitz | Zimbra is not open source. http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-10233908-12.html | May 07 21:00 |
schestowitz | Novell's results are due by the 28th. It will be ugly because the company got not a single big MSLinux contract. | May 07 21:01 |
schestowitz | Heh. I only made 2 posts today in BoycottNovell today and got 202701 hits in 16 hours. | May 07 21:03 |
schestowitz | The site has unfulfilled potential. Some people send me tips now, which helps. Fewer are willing to contribute articles.. | May 07 21:04 |
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schestowitz | Linux: The Operating System of the Cloud < http://www.linuxfoundation.org/publications/linuxincloud.html > | May 07 21:11 |
schestowitz | 10 reasons why Linux will oust Windows < http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/software/0,39044822,62052873,00.htm > | May 07 21:12 |
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schestowitz | KDE 4.2.3 released http://www.itrunsonlinux.com/news/65-kde-423-released http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.2.3.php | May 07 21:12 |
schestowitz | PetoKraus: are you still coming to M.E.N.? | May 07 21:12 |
bgtr4 | waht the f, why novell nasdaq rised 10 day ago and then fell? | May 07 21:13 |
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schestowitz | SCO fights back for survival. http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/sco-to-fight-us-bankruptcy-trustees-motion-to-liquidate-it.ars SCO to fight US bankruptcy trustee's motion to liquidate it | May 07 21:14 |
bgtr4 | novell chose too stuped animal | May 07 21:15 |
*schestowitz wonders if NOVL is still on buyback-steroids | May 07 21:15 |
tacone | canonical sees mono as a 'desiderable skill' http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_GDOS/ | May 07 21:15 |
schestowitz | tacone: I know | May 07 21:15 |
schestowitz | Python too? | May 07 21:15 |
schestowitz | I saw some position like that the other day | May 07 21:15 |
tacone | i don't think the job is about mono. | May 07 21:15 |
tacone | or python. | May 07 21:15 |
schestowitz | Yeah | May 07 21:16 |
tacone | is more about gnome online desktop or stuff like that. | May 07 21:16 |
schestowitz | That's the one I saw | May 07 21:16 |
schestowitz | Someone brought it up in IRC | May 07 21:16 |
schestowitz | _Hitcham_ IIRC | May 07 21:16 |
tacone | by the way, they hired a novell laiden off for this position. | May 07 21:16 |
tacone | http://blogs.gnome.org/rodrigo/2009/05/04/new-job/ | May 07 21:16 |
schestowitz | I sent MarkS some info on mono | May 07 21:16 |
tacone | did he reply ? | May 07 21:16 |
schestowitz | He thanked me and smiled, but Ubuntu is too deep in this s*it | May 07 21:16 |
schestowitz | He goes by his engineers too | May 07 21:17 |
tacone | Jorge, the upstream relation manager, is a strong mono proponent. | May 07 21:17 |
schestowitz | Jeff Waugh used to work for him | May 07 21:17 |
schestowitz | Waugh is a buddy of Novell de Icazzzzzzzz | May 07 21:17 |
tacone | he started a meme once, 'say your hero' and elected the ubuntu mono team as his heroes | May 07 21:18 |
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schestowitz | really? | May 07 21:20 |
schestowitz | Any link to that? | May 07 21:20 |
schestowitz | It would be a shame if GNU/Linux became a Microsoft-infected Ubuntu-branded coaster. I am sure Microsoft will raise its voice at one stage. It's precious 'IP' | May 07 21:22 |
tacone | schestowitz: i sent you the link to his blog in prv | May 07 21:24 |
tacone | bye | May 07 21:24 |
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schestowitz | All your queries are [sic] belong to teh Google: "Google captured 72.74 percent of all U.S. searches in April" http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/05/07/google-search-share-up-7 | May 07 21:24 |
Balrog_ | schestowitz: do we know if moonlight 2 uses its own mono or does it use the system mono? | May 07 21:24 |
schestowitz | It needs Mono | May 07 21:24 |
schestowitz | based on what people say | May 07 21:25 |
schestowitz | I didn't try it | May 07 21:25 |
Balrog_ | ok | May 07 21:25 |
Balrog_ | I unzipped the XPI and it looks like it installs its own local copy of mono | May 07 21:25 |
Balrog_ | the structure of the directory is similar to Silverlight for MAc | May 07 21:25 |
Balrog_ | Mac * | May 07 21:25 |
Balrog_ | http://pastebin.ca/1415687 | May 07 21:26 |
schestowitz | Yahoo Testing Favicons in Sponsored Ads < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/05/07/yahoo-testing-favicons-in-sponsored-ads > Yeah, that'll save em.. | May 07 21:26 |
Balrog_ | taqke a look ... won't hurt | May 07 21:26 |
Balrog_ | I don't like mono though, in any case. | May 07 21:26 |
schestowitz | "# | May 07 21:27 |
schestowitz | 184K ./plugins/moonlight/System.ServiceModel.dll | May 07 21:27 |
schestowitz | # | May 07 21:27 |
schestowitz | 40K ./plugins/moonlight/System.ServiceModel.Web.dll | May 07 21:27 |
schestowitz | # | May 07 21:27 |
schestowitz | 64K ./plugins/moonlight/System.Windows.Browser.dll | May 07 21:27 |
schestowitz | # | May 07 21:27 |
schestowitz | 660K ./plugins/moonlight/System.Windows.dll | May 07 21:27 |
schestowitz | # | May 07 21:27 |
schestowitz | 172K ./plugins/moonlight/System.Xml.dll | May 07 21:27 |
schestowitz | # | May 07 21:27 |
schestowitz | 88K ./plugins/moonlight/System.Xml.Linq.dll" | May 07 21:27 |
schestowitz | Ha... | May 07 21:27 |
schestowitz | Breath of fresh air | May 07 21:27 |
schestowitz | Feels like home for NOVELL~1 | May 07 21:27 |
Balrog_ | that's obviously mono | May 07 21:27 |
Balrog_ | but it's locally installed .... which is easier to remove | May 07 21:27 |
schestowitz | So tel me... | May 07 21:27 |
schestowitz | When will mono be assigned to /progra~1/ | May 07 21:28 |
schestowitz | <<< you are about to install Mono >>> | May 07 21:28 |
Balrog_ | well there's no /progra~1/ in linux ....... | May 07 21:28 |
schestowitz | <<<[ACCEPT] | [DENY] >>> | May 07 21:28 |
schestowitz | or allow/cencel | May 07 21:29 |
schestowitz | *ca | May 07 21:29 |
trmanco | uh oh | May 07 21:30 |
schestowitz | "Read the Tuxradar review for details. From a KDE 4 desktop user perspective, this is one the best Mandriva releases in years. Far better than Kubuntu's Jaunty for Linux newbies and experienced Linux users alike." :-) | May 07 21:31 |
schestowitz | ping MinceR: check out Mand 2009.1 | May 07 21:31 |
schestowitz | Maybe MinceR is at work again (sleep) | May 07 21:31 |
MinceR | pong | May 07 21:31 |
bgtr4 | lawl | May 07 21:31 |
bgtr4 | novell~1 | May 07 21:32 |
MinceR | not at work, just being productive ;) | May 07 21:32 |
bgtr4 | XD | May 07 21:32 |
Balrog_ | schestowitz: looks like they're making it so that moon/mono gets installed in ~/.mozilla/ | May 07 21:32 |
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schestowitz | Harder to delete | May 07 21:32 |
schestowitz | Can't find it easily | May 07 21:32 |
schestowitz | Do they support Opera? | May 07 21:32 |
schestowitz | The binary Webovell | May 07 21:32 |
schestowitz | Tower of babel | May 07 21:32 |
Balrog_ | nope, firefox only, unless you build yourself as an nsplugin | May 07 21:33 |
schestowitz | Wondeerful | May 07 21:33 |
schestowitz | Thank,s Novell | May 07 21:33 |
bgtr4 | i still can't stop laughing | May 07 21:33 |
bgtr4 | novell~1 XD | May 07 21:33 |
schestowitz | bgtr4: it's patented | May 07 21:33 |
schestowitz | FAT shortener | May 07 21:33 |
schestowitz | patents are no joke. | May 07 21:33 |
bgtr4 | XD | May 07 21:33 |
schestowitz | "2009.1 simply rocks :) ." http://dodonov.net/blog/2009/05/06/mandriva-only-mode/ | May 07 21:35 |
bgtr4 | does mdv include mono by default? | May 07 21:36 |
schestowitz | More positive new reviews/appraisals of Mandriva 2009.1 (my favourite): http://pbs01.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/mandriva-linux-2009-spring-first-impressions/ http://beginlinux.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/mandriva-20091-install/ | May 07 21:36 |
schestowitz | bgtr4: maybe the GNOME version | May 07 21:36 |
bgtr4 | at least mdv 2009.1 kde one had no mono | May 07 21:37 |
bgtr4 | rc2 or smth | May 07 21:37 |
bgtr4 | and they had 2gb worth of installation with dat | May 07 21:37 |
MinceR | what kde does mandriva 2009.1 have? | May 07 21:37 |
bgtr4 | 4.2.2 | May 07 21:37 |
bgtr4 | for rc2 | May 07 21:37 |
MinceR | and how much emphasis does mandriva put on reliability? | May 07 21:38 |
schestowitz | TuxRadar also loved Mandriva 2009.1 Spring http://www.tuxradar.com/content/mandriva-20091-spring | May 07 21:38 |
bgtr4 | not much, MinceR | May 07 21:38 |
schestowitz | MinceR: 4.2.1/2 | May 07 21:38 |
schestowitz | 4.2.3 is out today | May 07 21:38 |
schestowitz | 4.3 is near | May 07 21:38 |
schestowitz | feature freezes | May 07 21:38 |
schestowitz | MinceR: based on my experience, very high | May 07 21:38 |
schestowitz | Never had any issued on this box | May 07 21:39 |
schestowitz | Running 2008.1. They say 2009.1 is the best in years. | May 07 21:39 |
MinceR | and compared to ubuntu or ubuntu LTS? | May 07 21:39 |
schestowitz | But I haven't tried it yet | May 07 21:39 |
bgtr4 | .1 is always better than .0 | May 07 21:39 |
schestowitz | MinceR: dunno. Depends on whether it's GNOME or kde4 | May 07 21:39 |
schestowitz | bgtr4: yes | May 07 21:39 |
schestowitz | Beranger told me this | May 07 21:39 |
bgtr4 | mandriva never had good gnome | May 07 21:39 |
schestowitz | bgtr4: it's not a gnome distro | May 07 21:40 |
bgtr4 | at least last 17 months | May 07 21:40 |
bgtr4 | while i was actually using linux | May 07 21:40 |
bgtr4 | starting from mandriva | May 07 21:40 |
schestowitz | I used mandrake 8. something | May 07 21:40 |
bgtr4 | they have good manager for installation | May 07 21:41 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu: Two Ways to Keep A Clean Desktop Without Affecting Your Efficiency < http://maketecheasier.com/ubuntu-two-ways-to-keep-a-clean-desktop-without-affecting-your-efficiency/2009/05/06 > | May 07 21:41 |
bgtr4 | some good tools | May 07 21:41 |
bgtr4 | but only in debian i felt so good even though package manager just sucks and updates are rare | May 07 21:42 |
bgtr4 | idk why | May 07 21:42 |
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schestowitz | Video Drivers Are All that Is Holding Linux Back (Maybe Windows 7, Too) < http://www.lockergnome.com/theoracle/2009/05/06/video-drivers-are-all-that-is-holding-linux-back-maybe-windows-7-too/ > | May 07 21:45 |
mib_6vah9u | bunch of poo poo heads | May 07 21:45 |
schestowitz | Thanks. | May 07 21:45 |
schestowitz | Mispelled Pooh :-) | May 07 21:45 |
schestowitz | *misspelled | May 07 21:45 |
bgtr4 | gconf-editor didn't help me to get rid of lame minimizing animation | May 07 21:45 |
schestowitz | why minimise? | May 07 21:46 |
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schestowitz | vitrual desktops do more quicker | May 07 21:46 |
bgtr4 | i use them | May 07 21:46 |
bgtr4 | especially at work | May 07 21:46 |
schestowitz | Based on the insult, mib_6vah9u was one of the Linux Action Show fans | May 07 21:46 |
MinceR | bgtr4: compiz? | May 07 21:46 |
bgtr4 | idk, usual debian instllation | May 07 21:47 |
bgtr4 | barely it's compiz | May 07 21:47 |
bgtr4 | or i would've known | May 07 21:47 |
schestowitz | Will Oracle resurrect Looking Glass? :-) | May 07 21:47 |
bgtr4 | oh, you advice to use compiz to solve dat | May 07 21:47 |
MinceR | bgtr4: if it is, then you can change or disable the minimizing animation via CompizConfig Settings Manager | May 07 21:47 |
schestowitz | Mine's lava lamp | May 07 21:48 |
schestowitz | To anger Apple | May 07 21:48 |
schestowitz | It holds a patent on this | May 07 21:48 |
bgtr4 | lol | May 07 21:48 |
schestowitz | Pissed the Compiz people off | May 07 21:48 |
schestowitz | Maybe Aaron Seigo too | May 07 21:48 |
bgtr4 | patents are so immature | May 07 21:48 |
schestowitz | Apple predates hollywood | May 07 21:48 |
schestowitz | And alladin | May 07 21:48 |
bgtr4 | they will learn once they are quite restricted | May 07 21:48 |
schestowitz | It saw him sneaking out of the bottle | May 07 21:48 |
schestowitz | INNOVA~1 YEAH YEAH BURN BBAY | May 07 21:49 |
bgtr4 | i want to believe red hat arose that patent deal not in vain | May 07 21:51 |
schestowitz | which one? | May 07 21:52 |
schestowitz | Windows gains market share in BN (more trolls). | May 07 21:52 |
bgtr4 | to complain about m$ abuses | May 07 21:52 |
bgtr4 | mostly | May 07 21:52 |
schestowitz | 44.2 % Windows - 44.8 % Linux (this month) | May 07 21:52 |
bgtr4 | and european union should change laws | May 07 21:52 |
schestowitz | Red Hat is weird | May 07 21:52 |
schestowitz | UK approves software patent today | May 07 21:52 |
bgtr4 | so patents are no that shit as m$ wants them to be | May 07 21:52 |
schestowitz | ish | May 07 21:52 |
bgtr4 | i did post the link | May 07 21:53 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/07/ipo_approve_software_patent/ | May 07 21:53 |
schestowitz | I'll protest along with others | May 07 21:53 |
bgtr4 | about 2 days ago | May 07 21:53 |
schestowitz | Allsion Brimelow and her goons | May 07 21:53 |
schestowitz | They just want to make more monet | May 07 21:53 |
schestowitz | More patents, more money | May 07 21:53 |
bgtr4 | they made a 11 pages complaint | May 07 21:53 |
schestowitz | That's why there should be parliamentary regulation | May 07 21:53 |
schestowitz | But the EPO almost breaks the law | May 07 21:54 |
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schestowitz | hi, mike | May 07 21:54 |
mike | u have to be kidding me | May 07 21:54 |
mike | with that post... | May 07 21:54 |
schestowitz | how come? | May 07 21:54 |
schestowitz | Which one? | May 07 21:54 |
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Guest40817 | Is Jupiter Broadcasting’s Linux Action Show Anti-GNU/Linux? | May 07 21:54 |
schestowitz | No, it's no joke | May 07 21:55 |
schestowitz | They disregard many values | May 07 21:55 |
Guest40817 | well guess what | May 07 21:55 |
schestowitz | Hmmm... | May 07 21:55 |
Guest40817 | i am an op on Jupiter Broadcasting | May 07 21:55 |
schestowitz | I need to change toothbrush :-) | May 07 21:55 |
schestowitz | OK | May 07 21:55 |
schestowitz | i an an op on BN :-D | May 07 21:56 |
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schestowitz | OpenOffice.org 3.1 is born < http://www.openoffice.org/news/ > | May 07 21:58 |
schestowitz | very long. | May 07 21:58 |
MinceR | i'm an op on ~15 channels. | May 07 21:58 |
MinceR | and i'm an ircop on 1 network. :> | May 07 21:58 |
schestowitz | Multi-processor support coming for Firefox < http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/05/multi-processor-support-coming-for-firefox/ > Chrome, we hardly knew thy. | May 07 21:59 |
MinceR | chromium isn't dead yet, is it? | May 07 21:59 |
schestowitz | Practicially? | May 07 22:00 |
schestowitz | Clinically? | May 07 22:00 |
bgtr4 | that was that article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/30/red_hat_europe_patents/ | May 07 22:00 |
schestowitz | Funny Firefox < http://linuxsysconfig.com/2009/05/funny-firefox/ > | May 07 22:00 |
bgtr4 | did you guys read it? | May 07 22:00 |
MinceR | wow, RH changed their mind about sw patents? | May 07 22:01 |
MinceR | (also known as "computer-implemented inventions") | May 07 22:01 |
bgtr4 | The board is expected to receive a similar report from patents hit factory IBM, while it has already received reports from consumer electronics giant Philips and a number of academics | May 07 22:02 |
schestowitz | MinceR sleeps around with 51 chans | May 07 22:03 |
MinceR | :) | May 07 22:03 |
schestowitz | MinceR: they changed no mind | May 07 22:03 |
bgtr4 | seems like they all are tired of m$ abuse of patents | May 07 22:03 |
schestowitz | They resist sw patents | May 07 22:03 |
schestowitz | While filing for some | May 07 22:03 |
MinceR | so they're lying? | May 07 22:03 |
schestowitz | But But BUT! It's only defensive | May 07 22:03 |
schestowitz | The classic excuse | May 07 22:04 |
MinceR | we all know what the best defense is | May 07 22:04 |
schestowitz | MinceR: they have engineers, but they also have IP people | May 07 22:04 |
schestowitz | I.e. useless staff | May 07 22:04 |
schestowitz | People who were trained not to develop | May 07 22:04 |
bgtr4 | so rh is just playing? | May 07 22:04 |
schestowitz | But to work around developers and walk where work is done | May 07 22:04 |
schestowitz | And offer some bubble-like prootection | May 07 22:04 |
MinceR | maybe it's a schizophrenic company | May 07 22:04 |
schestowitz | By asking engineers WHAT patents they can type up | May 07 22:05 |
MinceR | do they own those "defensive" sw patents or does some sort of patent pool own them? | May 07 22:05 |
schestowitz | "Hitting a person nostril using rigid apparatus.." | May 07 22:05 |
bgtr4 | not defeinsive patents | May 07 22:05 |
schestowitz | Patents are not defensives | May 07 22:06 |
schestowitz | *sive | May 07 22:06 |
schestowitz | Not more than guns are | May 07 22:06 |
bgtr4 | guns are not defensive | May 07 22:06 |
bgtr4 | especially against knife | May 07 22:06 |
schestowitz | It's one among a set of lie_s{i} | May 07 22:06 |
schestowitz | "more patents=more innovation" | May 07 22:06 |
schestowitz | "Patents protect small investors" | May 07 22:06 |
bgtr4 | gun just makes you feel like protected | May 07 22:06 |
schestowitz | "Patents help the economy.." | May 07 22:06 |
schestowitz | *inventors | May 07 22:07 |
schestowitz | I can never type "inventor" | May 07 22:07 |
bgtr4 | but some big companies abuse patents | May 07 22:07 |
schestowitz | Always comes out with an S | May 07 22:07 |
schestowitz | I also can't type Russia | May 07 22:07 |
schestowitz | bgtr4: just holding them is abusing them | May 07 22:07 |
bgtr4 | what do you type instead? | May 07 22:07 |
schestowitz | Like Microsoft | May 07 22:07 |
schestowitz | "we know Linux infringes" | May 07 22:07 |
schestowitz | "We have portfolio" | May 07 22:08 |
schestowitz | "Cherish our IP" | May 07 22:08 |
bgtr4 | patents are themselves abuse | May 07 22:08 |
schestowitz | Imagine living in a neighbourhood where there is little crime because everyone is terrified from one another | May 07 22:08 |
bgtr4 | in the way they are | May 07 22:08 |
schestowitz | A gun on every deak --billG :-) | May 07 22:08 |
schestowitz | *desk | May 07 22:08 |
MinceR | happiness is a warm gun. | May 07 22:09 |
bgtr4 | i gotta buy another beer to understand that | May 07 22:09 |
bgtr4 | "happiness is a warm gun:" | May 07 22:09 |
schestowitz | Palm WebOS to breathe new life into Foleo? < http://apcmag.com/palm-looks-to-breathe-new-life-into-failed-foleo.htm > More rumours, interesting nonetheless. | May 07 22:09 |
bgtr4 | i kinda already know what it means | May 07 22:09 |
bgtr4 | but i gotta understand how you came to this | May 07 22:10 |
schestowitz | warm gun | May 07 22:10 |
schestowitz | Sounds like something from a Blue movie | May 07 22:10 |
schestowitz | Not a good phrase, MinceR | May 07 22:10 |
bgtr4 | there are plenty of meaning of this sentence, schestowitz | May 07 22:10 |
bgtr4 | meanings | May 07 22:10 |
schestowitz | Maybe smoking gun | May 07 22:10 |
bgtr4 | no | May 07 22:10 |
bgtr4 | quite different | May 07 22:10 |
bgtr4 | but it's outside of this channel | May 07 22:11 |
bgtr4 | and i'm gone for beer | May 07 22:11 |
MinceR | 225314 <@NiTessine> I think it should be tested. Suspend the Pope from a great height in midair, see if he's really infallible. | May 07 22:15 |
MinceR | oops, wrong paste. | May 07 22:15 |
MinceR | http://slated.org/mono_is_dangerous_and_redundant | May 07 22:16 |
schestowitz | Linux Action Show mob is aboard :0( XBMC | May 07 22:16 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/05/linux-sucks-fud/comment-page-1/#comment-63154 | May 07 22:16 |
schestowitz | Slated seems to have taken a long break from teh Internets | May 07 22:17 |
schestowitz | "That led into his reason why he doesn't use the GPL any more. In his eyes, the GPL comes with implicit philosophical baggage -- in this case, putting freedom to hack above other software freedoms. He opted for the BSD license or a variant thereof, which is unambiguous and carries little baggage." | May 07 22:22 |
schestowitz | Oh, yeah... the philosophy of SCIENCE. | May 07 22:22 |
schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/05/no_gpl_for_me_t.html;jsessionid=OJORLGLPICDBOQSNDLRSKH0CJUNN2JVN | May 07 22:22 |
bgtr4 | these guys just don't understand, that you can do almost everything with linux as with any other platform. they want to have windows for free and yet it's not even the best solution | May 07 22:25 |
MinceR | his friend misunderstands sw freedom | May 07 22:25 |
MinceR | it's not just the freedom to hack | May 07 22:25 |
bgtr4 | they don't even understand what's to hack | May 07 22:26 |
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MinceR | if John Smith hires a sw developer to modify a program he used so that he can get his data out of it in a portable format, then John Smith certainly isn't exercising his freedom to hack | May 07 22:28 |
schestowitz | Duke Nukem dies again: Now I know what SCO and Duke have in common | May 07 22:28 |
schestowitz | Duke McBride | May 07 22:28 |
MinceR | Duke isn't dead | May 07 22:28 |
schestowitz | He is | May 07 22:28 |
MinceR | Duke Nukem Whenever might be | May 07 22:28 |
schestowitz | Fell off his jetpack | May 07 22:28 |
MinceR | Apogee is still working on Duke Nukem Trilogy | May 07 22:28 |
schestowitz | Not the bazookas | May 07 22:29 |
MinceR | and Take2 still owns Duke Nukem Whenever | May 07 22:29 |
MinceR | whatever is completed of it so far | May 07 22:29 |
schestowitz | Ah.. | May 07 22:29 |
schestowitz | Selling data, model and engine | May 07 22:29 |
schestowitz | The Duke "IP" | May 07 22:29 |
MinceR | well, the engine is from Epic | May 07 22:29 |
schestowitz | Epic FAIL :-D | May 07 22:30 |
MinceR | not really | May 07 22:30 |
schestowitz | I know | May 07 22:30 |
MinceR | the Unreal Engine is one of the most advanced game engines around | May 07 22:30 |
schestowitz | I just had a train of thought | May 07 22:30 |
MinceR | also, i'm not quite sure who owns the Duke Nukem character | May 07 22:30 |
schestowitz | The USian army | May 07 22:30 |
MinceR | unlikely | May 07 22:30 |
schestowitz | He's the sort of character that is intended to increase recruiting | May 07 22:31 |
schestowitz | GI Joe typwe | May 07 22:31 |
MinceR | i doubt it | May 07 22:31 |
schestowitz | John Ramb0 | May 07 22:31 |
MinceR | he is no soldier | May 07 22:31 |
schestowitz | No? | May 07 22:31 |
schestowitz | Looks like it | May 07 22:31 |
MinceR | and no member of any armed force | May 07 22:31 |
MinceR | he's a lone hero :) | May 07 22:31 |
schestowitz | I haven't played it in ages | May 07 22:31 |
schestowitz | I remember level one very, very well | May 07 22:31 |
schestowitz | noookilar warrior? | May 07 22:32 |
MinceR | :) | May 07 22:32 |
schestowitz | ze type of person Bush would call, "my kinda of guy" | May 07 22:33 |
bgtr4 | i won't miss duke nukem | May 07 22:35 |
bgtr4 | if it doesn't release | May 07 22:35 |
bgtr4 | i played wolf3d and then i came to "old" games like q1 megatf, oni, evolva, ... | May 07 22:37 |
MinceR | i will, i liked that character | May 07 22:38 |
bgtr4 | if they get reimplement for current middleware | May 07 22:38 |
bgtr4 | they are absolute hits | May 07 22:38 |
bgtr4 | middleware here is opengl and dx | May 07 22:39 |
MinceR | cursed zdnetasia makes the page reload itself regularly | May 07 22:39 |
MinceR | pretty rotten way to get hits | May 07 22:39 |
bgtr4 | piratic sites can't be reliable on notrotten ways | May 07 22:42 |
bgtr4 | remember, it's piratic foundations that gave people free windows | May 07 22:44 |
bgtr4 | they are good to have it free but they make it free and yet they do right thing | May 07 22:44 |
bgtr4 | 'cause law should be adjusted | May 07 22:45 |
bgtr4 | internet should be free for all | May 07 22:45 |
bgtr4 | not just with enforced usa laws | May 07 22:45 |
bgtr4 | it should have no laws | May 07 22:45 |
bgtr4 | --> no patents abuse... no drm... no insanely restricting copyrights | May 07 22:46 |
bgtr4 | but yet more sane software to restrict access on users' choice, more avs and other apps | May 07 22:48 |
MinceR | gn | May 07 22:49 |
schestowitz | "Microsoft Incentives (msincentives) is now following your updates on Twitter." | May 07 22:51 |
schestowitz | WTF? | May 07 22:51 |
bgtr4 | lol | May 07 22:53 |
bgtr4 | that's just lol and nothing to worry about | May 07 22:53 |
schestowitz | They have other accounts | May 07 22:53 |
schestowitz | it's the MS bribe-U accounts | May 07 22:53 |
schestowitz | They have agencies working on Twitter | May 07 22:53 |
bgtr4 | they all act in the same way | May 07 22:53 |
schestowitz | Microsoft still works like a mafia there | May 07 22:54 |
schestowitz | Waggener Enstrom is spying on users | May 07 22:54 |
schestowitz | Federated Media is policing twitter for Microsoft | May 07 22:54 |
bgtr4 | it's just funny to watch at m$ guys | May 07 22:54 |
bgtr4 | they piss off | May 07 22:54 |
bgtr4 | they piss off at anything that's against m$ and if you mention linux they are twice berserk | May 07 22:54 |
bgtr4 | and m$ isn't something you can go with but rather be a slave of what | May 07 22:55 |
bgtr4 | the good strategy is to let them run into wall | May 07 22:59 |
bgtr4 | like let them understand where they are dumb at | May 07 23:00 |
bgtr4 | or let them understand how weak they are | May 07 23:01 |
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bgtr4 | like spending plenty of $$ to make shit | May 07 23:02 |
bgtr4 | because m$ said so | May 07 23:02 |
schestowitz | They're done | May 07 23:03 |
bgtr4 | or that they just make no sense | May 07 23:03 |
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bgtr4 | (links involved for EVERY case and they are far from reality) or | May 07 23:05 |
bgtr4 | ... | May 07 23:06 |
bgtr4 | i'm not eager to make a howto for dat, it's just obvious once you read that m$-addicted non-believing in themselves slaves | May 07 23:07 |
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bgtr4 | even though i use windows (pirated, for games), but i never bought m$ products and never will | May 07 23:08 |
bgtr4 | in fact... i never bought anyones' products | May 07 23:09 |
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bgtr4 | even though i'm capable of | May 07 23:10 |
schestowitz | I never bought s/w | May 07 23:14 |
schestowitz | libervisco: thanks for the site. I use it now | May 07 23:14 |
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libervisco | schestowitz, glad to hear, np :) | May 07 23:16 |
schestowitz | it's good to have input that is inspirational for conversations and writings | May 07 23:17 |
libervisco | yeah | May 07 23:18 |
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_Hicham_ | has anyone of u worked with THC Hydra? | May 07 23:20 |
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tacone | microsoft imposes limits on netbooks hardware when it comes to ship windows on them | May 07 23:24 |
tacone | http://www.itexaminer.com/microsoft-adds-to-atoms-restrictions.aspx | May 07 23:24 |
bgtr4 | lol | May 07 23:24 |
bgtr4 | if people subdue | May 07 23:24 |
schestowitz | Is this news? | May 07 23:25 |
bgtr4 | i'd better not tell what's pending | May 07 23:25 |
schestowitz | It just comes to show that Microsoft is a curse to consumers. The EU Commission should be informed and ask to react | May 07 23:26 |
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schestowitz | *aked | May 07 23:26 |
schestowitz | *asked | May 07 23:26 |
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_Hicham_ | wb oiaohm | May 07 23:45 |
oiaohm | Hi _Hicham_ | May 07 23:46 |
_Hicham_ | just woke up? | May 07 23:47 |
oiaohm | The ODF thing attacking MS for not supporting it will not get anywhere. Attacking them on the lines the must lack the staff to built it correctly is more the correct line. _Hicham_ yep. | May 07 23:47 |
_Hicham_ | good morning then | May 07 23:48 |
_Hicham_ | the ODF shouldn't be supported by Microsoft | May 07 23:48 |
_Hicham_ | XML is maintained by Novell, which is enough for Microsoft | May 07 23:48 |
oiaohm | Proper support breaks down there hold on market _Hicham_ | May 07 23:48 |
_Hicham_ | that is why I am saying that | May 07 23:49 |
_Hicham_ | they pay Novell to develop an openoffice plugin that can handle docx files | May 07 23:49 |
oiaohm | ODF should be supported by MS. | May 07 23:49 |
_Hicham_ | MS should be isolated | May 07 23:49 |
_Hicham_ | to ease its death | May 07 23:50 |
_Hicham_ | quarantined | May 07 23:50 |
oiaohm | Basically the should be forced to or publically discredited and made look suspect. | May 07 23:50 |
_Hicham_ | it is a plague | May 07 23:50 |
oiaohm | isolated does not kill MS. | May 07 23:50 |
oiaohm | MS got it right a long time ago. | May 07 23:50 |
_Hicham_ | why? | May 07 23:50 |
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_Hicham_ | how? | May 07 23:50 |
oiaohm | Embrace Extend Extingish Ok last word is spelt wrong. | May 07 23:50 |
_Hicham_ | extinguish | May 07 23:51 |
_Hicham_ | no problem | May 07 23:51 |
oiaohm | You embrace them so there users can move to your platform without issues. | May 07 23:51 |
_Hicham_ | time has changed | May 07 23:51 |
oiaohm | You extend so you add more features. | May 07 23:51 |
oiaohm | So you Extingish. | May 07 23:51 |
_Hicham_ | that was old strategy | May 07 23:52 |
oiaohm | What can add features faster Open Source or Microsoft. | May 07 23:52 |
_Hicham_ | when Linux was still a baby | May 07 23:52 |
_Hicham_ | Linux now has a terrific support | May 07 23:52 |
_Hicham_ | everyone is participating | May 07 23:52 |
oiaohm | Linux is Extending faster than MS could dream. | May 07 23:52 |
oiaohm | Most major open source programs are. | May 07 23:52 |
_Hicham_ | all software vendors are porting their s/w to Linux | May 07 23:52 |
_Hicham_ | Linux is embracing Windows | May 07 23:53 |
oiaohm | Exactly. | May 07 23:53 |
_Hicham_ | Windows can't embrace Linux | May 07 23:53 |
_Hicham_ | Linux is too big now | May 07 23:53 |
oiaohm | ODF needs to embrace Microsoft. | May 07 23:53 |
oiaohm | Ie Microsoft produces a ODF standard document that works. | May 07 23:53 |
_Hicham_ | Microsoft is embraced through Novell extension to OpenOffice | May 07 23:54 |
oiaohm | Then ODF can extend it leaving MS in the dust so Extingish them. | May 07 23:54 |
oiaohm | OOXML is really not getting very far. | May 07 23:54 |
_Hicham_ | docx wasn't well received | May 07 23:54 |
oiaohm | Just embracing OpenOffice is not enough. | May 07 23:54 |
oiaohm | They failed to embrace abiword and koffice. | May 07 23:55 |
_Hicham_ | almost all users are using doc format | May 07 23:55 |
_Hicham_ | abiword is great | May 07 23:55 |
_Hicham_ | koffice also | May 07 23:55 |
oiaohm | doc format was MS embrace and extend of the past. | May 07 23:55 |
_Hicham_ | they should survive | May 07 23:55 |
_Hicham_ | abiword is well for low end machines | May 07 23:55 |
_Hicham_ | say old machines | May 07 23:55 |
oiaohm | So you want them to survive to get that you need MS supporting ODF. | May 07 23:55 |
_Hicham_ | no | May 07 23:56 |
_Hicham_ | MS do not have to support ODF | May 07 23:56 |
_Hicham_ | their document format is not getting anywhere | May 07 23:56 |
DaemonFC | if people send me docx, I convert it to odt before sending it back with a link to the covnersion filter | May 07 23:56 |
_Hicham_ | doc is fully supported by OpenOffice | May 07 23:56 |
oiaohm | So if Microsoft don't support ODF you turn it into a public embasement the worse you can think up. And the worst I can think up is that MS lacks the developers to do it. | May 07 23:57 |
oiaohm | If that is the case MS Office is now a major secuirty risk. | May 07 23:57 |
_Hicham_ | MS Office have been always a security risk to everyone | May 07 23:58 |
oiaohm | Old rule of FUD. | May 07 23:58 |
oiaohm | fear uncertainty & doubt | May 07 23:58 |
_Hicham_ | personally, I don't use doc files too much | May 07 23:58 |
_Hicham_ | I request pdf files | May 07 23:59 |
oiaohm | When it comes to PR games most of the rules are set in stone. | May 07 23:59 |
_Hicham_ | sending a document is doc format is a real shame | May 07 23:59 |
oiaohm | MS Office suxs at producing printable PDF's as well. | May 07 23:59 |
_Hicham_ | Microsoft Office is very buggy and sluggish | May 07 23:59 |