schestowitz | Police abuse: Woman cuffed for not holding escalator handrail < http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090515.wescalator16/BNStory/National/home > | May 21 00:01 |
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schestowitz | How Old is that Data on the Hard Drive? < http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7336/ > | May 21 00:03 |
schestowitz | Many Sun Products to Wither and Die < http://www.cioupdate.com/features/article.php/3821266/Many-Sun-Products-to-Wither-and-Die.htm >. Will Oracle keep JavaFX? | May 21 00:04 |
DaemonFC | drug tests are basically just an excuse to get out of paying for on the job accidents | May 21 00:04 |
DaemonFC | if you hurt yourself at work and smoked pot 3 weeks ago | May 21 00:04 |
schestowitz | It must be depressing to work on products that die before birth | May 21 00:04 |
schestowitz | Like Foleo | May 21 00:04 |
DaemonFC | it's enough to get out of paying for your medical bills | May 21 00:04 |
schestowitz | At least they get paid | May 21 00:04 |
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DaemonFC | Vuze is number 1 on Sourceforge? | May 21 00:06 |
DaemonFC | ewww | May 21 00:06 |
Ziggyfish | reading the 'So what? Windows 7: 7 Reasons Not to Get too Excited (Update) ' article. | May 21 00:06 |
Ziggyfish | With these types of articles, it's always funny to read the comments. | May 21 00:06 |
schestowitz | Expensive those laptops from Dell with Linux..... http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2137665037.html?kc=rss | May 21 00:07 |
Ziggyfish | There is a comment that refers to the following | May 21 00:07 |
Ziggyfish | Although the new Windows is officially compatible with Netbooks, the hardware requirements are still considerably too high. Even when the standard new computer has 1 GB available, many notebooks function with 512 MB over 786. Windows 7 needs at least 1 GB to run, and the 64 bit version requires at least 2 GB RAM. Also, in matters of disk space, a partition for the installation of Windows 7 takes at least 16 GB. In this case, Linu | May 21 00:07 |
Ziggyfish | x installation clearly takes less pork to get going. | May 21 00:07 |
Ziggyfish | Comment - 4> Disk space may be an issue for SSDs, but still, on current hard drives, who cares? The smallest hard drives on the market today are over 100GiB in size. | May 21 00:08 |
schestowitz | Yeah | May 21 00:08 |
schestowitz | Well, they'll need to 'beef up' those netbooks | May 21 00:08 |
schestowitz | Making them more like notebooks | May 21 00:08 |
schestowitz | Fuh-get about $199 sub-notebooks | May 21 00:08 |
Ziggyfish | A comment like that, tells you that the commenter has no clue. | May 21 00:09 |
Ziggyfish | Vista 7 will have to be the best OS, not just Microsoft has produced, but also the whole IT industry. | May 21 00:11 |
schestowitz | Watch Black Duck kissing the crooks from Microsoft: http://ostatic.com/blog/black-duck-collaborates-with-microsoft-on-codeplex-project-availability (Black Duck Collaborates With Microsoft on CodePlex Project Availability) | May 21 00:11 |
schestowitz | That Peter due it stalking posts about the company | May 21 00:11 |
schestowitz | He confronted BN | May 21 00:12 |
schestowitz | Other sites too | May 21 00:12 |
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schestowitz | Peter Brook o | May 21 00:12 |
Ziggyfish | nice | May 21 00:12 |
schestowitz | Hi, LastGuyonEarth | May 21 00:12 |
LastGuyonEarth | Hey, Roy. | May 21 00:12 |
DaemonFC | I think they'll do a Promo Step-Up | May 21 00:12 |
schestowitz | Ziggyfish: no, these are AstroTurfers | May 21 00:12 |
LastGuyonEarth | How are things? | May 21 00:12 |
schestowitz | Microsoft must employ them | May 21 00:12 |
DaemonFC | they've done it before when they were desperate to sell something | May 21 00:12 |
schestowitz | To have people believe it's like Vista in 2006 | May 21 00:12 |
schestowitz | Microsoft AstroTurferd for it back then too | May 21 00:13 |
DaemonFC | well it didn't work | May 21 00:13 |
schestowitz | Before people found out for themselves that it was turd | May 21 00:13 |
DaemonFC | XP had like 3 users by this point in its lifecycle for every 1 that Vista has now | May 21 00:13 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 00:13 |
Ziggyfish | I noticed this same tatic when vista was released | May 21 00:13 |
schestowitz | Ziggyfish: they also attack critics | May 21 00:13 |
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schestowitz | Like DaemonFC | May 21 00:13 |
schestowitz | And some guy from IDG | May 21 00:13 |
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schestowitz | Nw name | May 21 00:14 |
schestowitz | CitizenCane | May 21 00:14 |
schestowitz | Kane | May 21 00:14 |
SirSane | lol | May 21 00:14 |
DaemonFC | I think really the difference in XP and Vista, or at least a big one is that they don't have trendy customers | May 21 00:14 |
DaemonFC | seriously | May 21 00:14 |
Ziggyfish | lol | May 21 00:14 |
DaemonFC | Mac users and Mary Rottencrotch WallmartShopper and the $400 emachine | May 21 00:14 |
DaemonFC | are two different types of customer | May 21 00:14 |
schestowitz | Oh Gads... now they do an interview with pseudopen-source bluenog.. http://ostatic.com/blog/bluenog-ice-on-open-source-software-commercial-support-and-higher-education | May 21 00:15 |
DaemonFC | they put Vista out on some systems with a slow processor, integrated video, and maybe 1 gig of RAM | May 21 00:15 |
DaemonFC | that's why it flopped | May 21 00:15 |
DaemonFC | that's not the only explanation | May 21 00:15 |
DaemonFC | but people were saying XP was slow and bloated | May 21 00:15 |
schestowitz | Nope | May 21 00:15 |
DaemonFC | when what happened was that they bought a machine with 128 megs of RAM | May 21 00:16 |
schestowitz | What about compatibility? | May 21 00:16 |
DaemonFC | integrated video | May 21 00:16 |
DaemonFC | Celeron | May 21 00:16 |
schestowitz | Among other issues. | May 21 00:16 |
DaemonFC | XP also had bad comaptibility | May 21 00:16 |
SirSane | schestowitz: Something you might be concerned about. | May 21 00:16 |
DaemonFC | with previous Windows | May 21 00:16 |
schestowitz | I have Ubuntu running on a Celeron | May 21 00:16 |
DaemonFC | so XP had a lot of the same problems as Vista | May 21 00:16 |
DaemonFC | at launch | May 21 00:16 |
SirSane | schestowitz: One of the linsux.org staffers claims to be behind your recent DDOS | May 21 00:16 |
DaemonFC | so why was it such a success? | May 21 00:16 |
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DaemonFC | *compatibility problems | May 21 00:17 |
Ziggyfish | schestowitz, it's said that Linux still runs on a 486 | May 21 00:17 |
DaemonFC | Actually I think Windows XP RTM was at least as much of a nightmare as Vista RTM | May 21 00:17 |
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schestowitz | Yuck. http://www.google.com/search?q=site:linsux.org+schestowitz&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en | May 21 00:17 |
DaemonFC | maybe hardware got faster and faster, Vista kept getting delayed, and you had XP running on really fast machines | May 21 00:18 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: check this. | May 21 00:18 |
DaemonFC | then you slam them with a new version that's much slower | May 21 00:18 |
schestowitz | <SirSane> schestowitz: Something you might be concerned about | May 21 00:18 |
schestowitz | <SirSane> schestowitz: One of the linsux.org staffers claims to be behind your recent DDOS | May 21 00:18 |
DaemonFC | when they were getting used to a machine that was responsive :) | May 21 00:18 |
schestowitz | No link to proof of such a claim though | May 21 00:18 |
DaemonFC | you can't go too long without a release if you're Microsoft, or else the hardware will get to where it runs the current version too well | May 21 00:18 |
tacone | better than nothing | May 21 00:19 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 21 00:19 |
DaemonFC | and you'll never get them away from it | May 21 00:19 |
DaemonFC | hehe | May 21 00:19 |
Ziggyfish | anyway back to work | May 21 00:21 |
schestowitz | It runs on 486s | May 21 00:21 |
schestowitz | Not many distros though | May 21 00:21 |
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mib_qqzps8 | yay | May 21 00:24 |
mib_qqzps8 | gotta love mibbit | May 21 00:24 |
tacone | http://linsux.org/index.php/topic,1096.msg10496.html#msg10496 | May 21 00:24 |
mib_qqzps8 | what's the status of stuff Novell | May 21 00:24 |
Balrog_ | linsux is pro bsd, right? | May 21 00:24 |
Balrog_ | 'Sir Sane' is an admin there | May 21 00:25 |
tacone | "Stupid motherfuckers. You're going to deserve every bit of what's coming to you in 2012." | May 21 00:29 |
mib_qqzps8 | what's coming in 2012? is that the mayan calendar thing? | May 21 00:30 |
mib_qqzps8 | unix epoch? | May 21 00:30 |
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tacone | end of novell deal | May 21 00:31 |
mib_qqzps8 | oh? | May 21 00:32 |
schestowitz | I don't see where it says they did it | May 21 00:32 |
schestowitz | That site is cholera BTW | May 21 00:32 |
schestowitz | And they also gave me harassment from there (not that I read that). I've no idea what it's about and saw it for the first time now | May 21 00:33 |
mib_qqzps8 | it looks like a youngster site to me | May 21 00:33 |
mib_qqzps8 | and since i use both os x and linuxes | May 21 00:33 |
mib_qqzps8 | i can't imagine a more pointless flame war than BSD vs. Linux | May 21 00:34 |
mib_qqzps8 | ;) | May 21 00:34 |
schestowitz | FTC Looks To Regulate Blogger Credibility < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090519/1030204931.shtml > | May 21 00:34 |
tacone | bloggers are not credible | May 21 00:36 |
tacone | otherwise the would be journali...mwuhahuahauha :) | May 21 00:37 |
mib_qqzps8 | journalists work hard to be credible | May 21 00:39 |
mib_qqzps8 | as a journalist, i wish to pass the buck to editors and publishers and producers :) | May 21 00:39 |
mib_qqzps8 | glad to see the DDoS attack is over? | May 21 00:40 |
mib_qqzps8 | good luck schestowitz | May 21 00:40 |
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tacone | disconnecting | May 21 00:40 |
tacone | bye | May 21 00:40 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3456/3203100974_f5415ff7ab_b.jpg | May 21 00:45 |
DaemonFC | heh | May 21 00:45 |
DaemonFC | see anything wrong here? | May 21 00:45 |
Balrog_ | heh | May 21 00:46 |
DaemonFC | http://www.thedailybackground.com/2009/01/16/exclusive-belkins-development-rep-is-hiring-people-to-write-fake-positive-amazon-reviews/ | May 21 00:47 |
schestowitz | Isn't this the old. | May 21 00:47 |
schestowitz | ... | May 21 00:47 |
schestowitz | Never mind | May 21 00:47 |
schestowitz | Beat me to it | May 21 00:47 |
schestowitz | Yes, I thought it was that | May 21 00:47 |
schestowitz | Sony does the same thing | May 21 00:48 |
schestowitz | BN has articles about it | May 21 00:48 |
schestowitz | Belkin too | May 21 00:48 |
DaemonFC | they should never let someone that hasn't bought the item from them review something | May 21 00:49 |
DaemonFC | course Amazon pushes extra units and makes money | May 21 00:50 |
DaemonFC | so they benefit from the astroturf too | May 21 00:50 |
Balrog_ | apple changed the app store a while ago so only purchasers can review | May 21 00:50 |
Balrog_ | before that, non-zero-cost apps were getting bad reviews | May 21 00:50 |
schestowitz | That's a good idea if properly made trackable | May 21 00:51 |
DaemonFC | I have a Linksys WRT54G with DD-WRT firmware | May 21 00:51 |
schestowitz | There was a time when MATLAB Central got spammed or gamed by ratings | May 21 00:51 |
DaemonFC | I like dd-wrt, it's much less buggy than the stuff that comes with the router | May 21 00:52 |
schestowitz | Maureen O'Gara spins Ubuntu's new product as a MS knockoff | May 21 00:52 |
schestowitz | Typical Gah!ra | May 21 00:52 |
Balrog_ | schestowitz: that's stupid | May 21 00:53 |
schestowitz | Dell punts germ-free netbook for school kids < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/19/dell_latitude_2100/ > | May 21 00:54 |
DaemonFC | HAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! | May 21 00:54 |
schestowitz | Lots of things are similar | May 21 00:54 |
DaemonFC | http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-02-01 | May 21 00:54 |
schestowitz | Finding a "first" of something is hard | May 21 00:54 |
DaemonFC | this is great | May 21 00:54 |
schestowitz | People fight silly fights with patents and attrib. disputes | May 21 00:54 |
Balrog_ | heh .. windows for $30 | May 21 00:54 |
schestowitz | So expensive? | May 21 00:54 |
schestowitz | Not -$5 | May 21 00:54 |
Balrog_ | (on top of the netbook) | May 21 00:54 |
Balrog_ | "The Latitude 2100 begins at $369 loaded with the Ubuntu Linux 8.10 operating system or with Windows XP Home Edition for $30 more." | May 21 00:55 |
schestowitz | Slow news day today.. | May 21 00:56 |
Balrog_ | yeah :/ | May 21 00:56 |
DaemonFC | They'd have to knock $30 off for inconveniencing me to have to format XP off | May 21 00:57 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 00:57 |
Balrog_ | DaemonFC: then buy the Ubuntu version | May 21 00:57 |
Balrog_ | it probably has better hardware | May 21 00:58 |
Balrog_ | I found that dell netbooks with XP have crippled hardware compared to those with Ubuntu | May 21 00:58 |
schestowitz | Climate Lobbying Heats Up < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8377 > liars for hire. | May 21 00:58 |
DaemonFC | no, they usually throw more RAM or a bigger hard drive in | May 21 00:58 |
DaemonFC | if you buy Windows | May 21 00:58 |
DaemonFC | and usually they're the same price | May 21 00:58 |
Balrog_ | Dell says 'licensing restrictions to comply with UMPC' | May 21 00:58 |
Balrog_ | go to the dell mini 9 configuration page | May 21 00:58 |
DaemonFC | that's likely why they sell more with Windows | May 21 00:58 |
schestowitz | Psychotic Marketing for an Antipsychotic Drug < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8378 > | May 21 00:59 |
DaemonFC | right, Dell usually doubles the RAM and hard drive for free on the XP model | May 21 00:59 |
Balrog_ | and try configuring one with windows with more than like 1GB of ram and a 16GB disk | May 21 00:59 |
Balrog_ | DaemonFC: not so here, last time I looked | May 21 00:59 |
DaemonFC | Dell fucks their Linux systems up so bad | May 21 00:59 |
DaemonFC | it's no wonder they're not selling well | May 21 00:59 |
DaemonFC | You get a better deal to buy the Windows version with better hardware for the same price | May 21 01:00 |
DaemonFC | and format it off if you don't want it | May 21 01:00 |
Balrog_ | really? | May 21 01:00 |
DaemonFC | yeah | May 21 01:00 |
DaemonFC | really | May 21 01:00 |
Balrog_ | TRY configuring a Dell Mini 9 with windows with better hardware | May 21 01:00 |
Balrog_ | I can't | May 21 01:00 |
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Balrog_ | the linux one is $16 cheaper too | May 21 01:00 |
DaemonFC | easy | May 21 01:01 |
Balrog_ | with the same hardware | May 21 01:01 |
schestowitz | Red Hat's case against SCO put on hold < http://news.cnet.com/2100-7344_3-5186249.html > (old) | May 21 01:01 |
DaemonFC | $20 more gets you an 8 gig SSD | May 21 01:01 |
DaemonFC | instead of the 4 gig one | May 21 01:01 |
DaemonFC | with Linux | May 21 01:01 |
DaemonFC | that's a big upgrade | May 21 01:01 |
DaemonFC | look a little closer | May 21 01:01 |
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Balrog_ | http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop-inspiron-9?cs=19&s=dhs&ref=homepg | May 21 01:01 |
DaemonFC | you're not understanding me | May 21 01:01 |
DaemonFC | ugggh | May 21 01:01 |
Balrog_ | I was clicking on the second section | May 21 01:01 |
Balrog_ | the last one is a 3G model, not fit for me | May 21 01:02 |
schestowitz | http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/954_signs.jpg | May 21 01:02 |
DaemonFC | http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/5333/15866426.png | May 21 01:04 |
DaemonFC | Balrog_ Tell me you don't understand why you get FUCKED with the Linux system | May 21 01:04 |
Balrog_ | what DO you mean? | May 21 01:04 |
DaemonFC | do you know how expensive that 8 gig SSD is? | May 21 01:04 |
DaemonFC | a lot more than the $20 | May 21 01:04 |
DaemonFC | I'll tell you that much | May 21 01:04 |
schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/cars/energy/multimedia/2009/05/gallery_ev (VW Owner Shifts Gears, Goes From Gas to Electric) | May 21 01:04 |
DaemonFC | you're basically getting like a $300 upgrade | May 21 01:05 |
DaemonFC | for $20 | May 21 01:05 |
DaemonFC | if you choose Windows | May 21 01:05 |
Balrog_ | not really | May 21 01:05 |
Balrog_ | 8GB ssd is $20 - $40 | May 21 01:05 |
Balrog_ | or you're still in late 2007 or early 2008 | May 21 01:05 |
Balrog_ | you can get a fast 64GB ssd for a little more than $300 | May 21 01:06 |
schestowitz | Daimler Takes 10 Percent Stake in Tesla http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/05/daimler-tesla/ They are both F*ed | May 21 01:06 |
Balrog_ | (well maybe 400 ... but 32GB is well under 300) | May 21 01:06 |
DaemonFC | OK I fail | May 21 01:07 |
DaemonFC | but still | May 21 01:07 |
DaemonFC | it's worth more than the extra $20 | May 21 01:07 |
DaemonFC | and that's my point | May 21 01:07 |
Balrog_ | yes. but the $20 is the *price difference* | May 21 01:07 |
Balrog_ | not the full cost of the 8GB | May 21 01:07 |
Balrog_ | it's (price of 8GB) - (price of 4GB) | May 21 01:08 |
Balrog_ | see <http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r22011136-Dell-Mini-9-memory> | May 21 01:08 |
Balrog_ | "The [memory] limitation comes from the terms of issuing the UMPC XP license. It's the same reason why you'll only find netbooks with 160 GB or less disk space." | May 21 01:08 |
DaemonFC | right | May 21 01:08 |
DaemonFC | but you're still money ahead | May 21 01:08 |
DaemonFC | by buying the Windows XP system | May 21 01:09 |
DaemonFC | and jsut formatting it | May 21 01:09 |
Balrog_ | how exactly? | May 21 01:09 |
DaemonFC | what is the price difference of just the drives? | May 21 01:09 |
Balrog_ | the one that says 'best value' has a 'customize with ubuntu' button below it | May 21 01:09 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: SirSane claim there is no documentation I can find to back it up. But I did find a pack of scum bags on the site thathad the idea that a ddos attack was fine including one of the moderators. | May 21 01:09 |
Balrog_ | windows is $299, ubuntu is $284 | May 21 01:09 |
Balrog_ | same exact hardware | May 21 01:10 |
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DaemonFC | I've seen some pretty cripple Linux v. Windows systems | May 21 01:10 |
DaemonFC | I saw one where the Linux model had 512 megs RAM, 4 gig HD, no wifi, Windows XP had 1 gig RAM, 10 gig hard drive, and wifi | May 21 01:10 |
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DaemonFC | both the same price | May 21 01:11 |
Balrog_ | maybe. not so with this mini 9, it seems | May 21 01:11 |
DaemonFC | they cripple a lot of these things | May 21 01:11 |
DaemonFC | or ship them with some backwater Linux distro nobody has ever heard of | May 21 01:11 |
oiaohm | Most linux systems operate quite well in 512 megs of ram. | May 21 01:11 |
DaemonFC | who cares? | May 21 01:11 |
DaemonFC | better hardware same price, format XP off | May 21 01:12 |
DaemonFC | problem solved | May 21 01:12 |
oiaohm | For Linux that is not crippled. | May 21 01:12 |
DaemonFC | *cough* better hardware | May 21 01:12 |
DaemonFC | same price | May 21 01:12 |
Balrog_ | DaemonFC: that way MS still gets my money | May 21 01:12 |
DaemonFC | with me so far? | May 21 01:12 |
DaemonFC | format XP | May 21 01:12 |
oiaohm | The smaller harddrive is more of issue. | May 21 01:12 |
Balrog_ | and not same price, but $16 more | May 21 01:12 |
Balrog_ | oiaohm: did you *really* look at the page? | May 21 01:12 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft isn't gettign any money on these | May 21 01:12 |
DaemonFC | you say that $50 off thing | May 21 01:12 |
DaemonFC | the difference in the drives is about $10 | May 21 01:13 |
DaemonFC | I looked it up | May 21 01:13 |
DaemonFC | that leaves $10 | May 21 01:13 |
DaemonFC | for the copy of XP | May 21 01:13 |
schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/36717 | May 21 01:13 |
Balrog_ | <http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/laptop-inspiron-9?cs=19&s=dhs&ref=homepg> ... 'best value' column ... click on "customize with XP" and "customize with Ubuntu" | May 21 01:13 |
DaemonFC | and that's really on the high end of what I've seen them go for | May 21 01:13 |
Balrog_ | same exact hardware, $16 price difference | May 21 01:13 |
DaemonFC | now you take that $10 | May 21 01:13 |
Balrog_ | ignore the first, third, and fourth columns | May 21 01:13 |
DaemonFC | and subtract the office trial | May 21 01:13 |
DaemonFC | and Microsoft paid $15 to have them put XP on | May 21 01:13 |
Balrog_ | <http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dndwxa2&c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&kc=productdetails~laptop-inspiron-9> and <http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&oc=DNDWXA4&s=dhs> | May 21 01:14 |
Balrog_ | I don't think they pay MS for trial office | May 21 01:14 |
DaemonFC | no, MS pays them | May 21 01:15 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, maybe in another three years the SSD will be a viable drop in hard drive replacement | May 21 01:15 |
DaemonFC | would be nice | May 21 01:16 |
DaemonFC | would be a lot faster | May 21 01:16 |
oiaohm | MS had the idea that they could crush Linux out of existance by under cutting. | May 21 01:16 |
schestowitz | earnings down 32% at MS | May 21 01:16 |
oiaohm | Might work short time but you cannot do that for ever. | May 21 01:16 |
DaemonFC | well, if Microsoft subsidizes better hardware cause Windows is too fat to run on the same specs as Linux | May 21 01:17 |
oiaohm | Linux companies are setting up to hit the small business server business next. | May 21 01:17 |
DaemonFC | then hell yeah I'll take it with XP | May 21 01:17 |
DaemonFC | nothing a good format can't fix :P | May 21 01:17 |
DaemonFC | so I can kind of see why Windows would sell better | May 21 01:18 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft ended up eventually giving me free XBOX shit | May 21 01:18 |
DaemonFC | just to stop talking about how I got fucked by their billing department | May 21 01:19 |
DaemonFC | I took it and kept talking | May 21 01:19 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 01:19 |
DaemonFC | never look a gift horse in the mouth :) | May 21 01:19 |
oiaohm | I got free Xbox shit when I did not have a Xbox | May 21 01:19 |
oiaohm | Of coruse it got ebayed. | May 21 01:19 |
DaemonFC | I liked the original XBOX | May 21 01:20 |
DaemonFC | I really hate the 360 though | May 21 01:20 |
DaemonFC | my opinion of Microsoft used to be a lot higher | May 21 01:20 |
DaemonFC | because they used to have better stuff | May 21 01:20 |
oiaohm | My opinion of MS has never been that high. | May 21 01:20 |
DaemonFC | it's amazing what a few years can do | May 21 01:21 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 01:21 |
oiaohm | Remember I have reported many secuirty flaws to MS. | May 21 01:21 |
oiaohm | And had no action on them for years. | May 21 01:21 |
DaemonFC | Windows 2000 and XBOX original, I was drinking the Kool Aid | May 21 01:21 |
oiaohm | One thing apple and linux do well. | May 21 01:21 |
DaemonFC | now with XP that went away | May 21 01:21 |
oiaohm | Respond to secuiry reports. | May 21 01:22 |
DaemonFC | and I'm really apathetic to Vista and hate the XBOX 360 | May 21 01:22 |
DaemonFC | they've been axing support for XP | May 21 01:22 |
DaemonFC | but they're being subtle about it | May 21 01:22 |
DaemonFC | I mean like all of a sudden applications of theirs refuse to install and spit out fake error messages | May 21 01:23 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft has a history of sabatoging older versions of their operating systems | May 21 01:23 |
DaemonFC | sometimes by introducing bugs | May 21 01:23 |
DaemonFC | they sabotaged Windows 95 with a memory leaking common controls dll that shipped with IE 5 | May 21 01:24 |
DaemonFC | for example | May 21 01:24 |
DaemonFC | so eventually if they can't get people off XP, they'll start slipping it some poison pills and it'll start running slow and fucking up for no reason | May 21 01:25 |
DaemonFC | and people will just think it's cause XP is old and senile | May 21 01:25 |
oiaohm | They already have. | May 21 01:25 |
schestowitz | http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2009/05/lundork.html Beebe Attacks PJ... (just a warning) | May 21 01:25 |
DaemonFC | I heard that term a lot on the Linux Haters blog | May 21 01:26 |
oiaohm | Windows XP is designed to loss performance the longer its installed. | May 21 01:26 |
DaemonFC | was that guy for real? | May 21 01:26 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 01:26 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: It's not designed that way | May 21 01:27 |
DaemonFC | it's jsut what Windows does | May 21 01:27 |
oiaohm | MS slipped the poison pill in at the start. | May 21 01:27 |
oiaohm | Its leaving out registry defraging and cleaning and a few other things. | May 21 01:27 |
DaemonFC | a fresh copy of Windows has always been faster than one that's been beaten up for a year or two | May 21 01:27 |
DaemonFC | obviously | May 21 01:27 |
schestowitz | http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=1649 | May 21 01:27 |
oiaohm | Not really. | May 21 01:27 |
DaemonFC | registry optimizers are dangerous | May 21 01:28 |
oiaohm | Leaving out features to keep os clean makes it that way. | May 21 01:28 |
oiaohm | regesitry does have acls and other things that it could track what is using what reg keys. | May 21 01:28 |
DaemonFC | removing 10,000 registry keys won't speed up Windows at all | May 21 01:28 |
DaemonFC | but removing 1 wrong one | May 21 01:28 |
DaemonFC | will cause it to never boot again | May 21 01:29 |
oiaohm | Registry getting fragmented on disk. | May 21 01:29 |
DaemonFC | and you have Linux developers wanting a registry on Linux | May 21 01:29 |
oiaohm | And fragmented internally does cause slowdown. | May 21 01:29 |
DaemonFC | lmao | May 21 01:29 |
DaemonFC | have fun with that | May 21 01:29 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft should have restricted registry access to Windows components only | May 21 01:30 |
oiaohm | Really a registry is a form of filesystem. | May 21 01:30 |
DaemonFC | and made everything else keep using ini files | May 21 01:30 |
oiaohm | Badly run filesystem. | May 21 01:30 |
DaemonFC | The registry caused about 100 reliability problems with Windows | May 21 01:31 |
oiaohm | Its design dates from fat filesystem. | May 21 01:31 |
DaemonFC | and removes one superficial eyesore | May 21 01:31 |
DaemonFC | lots of ini files | May 21 01:31 |
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oiaohm | So what else should we expect. | May 21 01:31 |
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DaemonFC | registry was designed with FAT or HPFS in mind | May 21 01:32 |
DaemonFC | HPFS was replaced totally by NTFS by Windows NT 4.0 | May 21 01:32 |
oiaohm | pagedefrag that defrags the disk blocks of the registry does cause a speed up. | May 21 01:32 |
oiaohm | Funny enough normal windows defrag still will not defrag the registry. | May 21 01:33 |
oiaohm | There are other small sections like that spreed threw out windows. | May 21 01:33 |
oiaohm | All lead to progressive slow downs. | May 21 01:33 |
DaemonFC | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/Registration_Editor.png | May 21 01:34 |
oiaohm | Like more and more directories getting added to c:\windows with updates. Slowing down dependancy searches. | May 21 01:34 |
DaemonFC | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0c/Registry_Editor_Vista.png | May 21 01:34 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 01:34 |
oiaohm | XP has its designed in poison pills. | May 21 01:34 |
oiaohm | Each is slow acting so user will not notice it cause. | May 21 01:35 |
oiaohm | Cross bind to IE and Explorer is another good one. So as IE gets filled up with crap overall performance of the OS drops. | May 21 01:37 |
oiaohm | Since explorer provides information to open and save windows. | May 21 01:38 |
oiaohm | If you look you will find there is a lot of toxin laced in XP. | May 21 01:40 |
oiaohm | I forgot the best DaemonFC XP poor handling of anything with more than 2 cpu cores. | May 21 01:42 |
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DaemonFC | I've actualyl found that Vista in some cases performs better than XP just because XP is too damned old for the hardware | May 21 01:44 |
DaemonFC | their SMP driver is not optimized for dual core CPUs | May 21 01:44 |
schestowitz | 2nd UPDATE:Monster To Pay $2.5M To Settle SEC Backdating Case http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090518-710940.html | May 21 01:46 |
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oiaohm | Yes XP has adverage handling of 2. DaemonFC thinking dual processor systems predate XP by a long way main reason XP does not support is an another artifical limit MS appled to market. | May 21 01:54 |
oiaohm | I remember 9x where it would not install with 1 gb of ram installed. | May 21 01:55 |
DaemonFC | I've had a dual socket motherboard | May 21 01:55 |
DaemonFC | dual Pentium 3s | May 21 01:55 |
DaemonFC | running Windows 2000 | May 21 01:55 |
DaemonFC | that box kicked some ass for late 1999 | May 21 01:55 |
DaemonFC | :D | May 21 01:55 |
oiaohm | Yep Windows 2000 could run it will. | May 21 01:55 |
oiaohm | Ms basically crippled it in XP. | May 21 01:56 |
oiaohm | Poisoned from the start. | May 21 01:56 |
DaemonFC | I ran my own website AND a OpenNap server | May 21 01:56 |
DaemonFC | and Windows 2000 didn't flinch | May 21 01:56 |
oiaohm | Just think that 2000 and XP are releated. | May 21 01:56 |
DaemonFC | yeah, it's scary | May 21 01:57 |
oiaohm | Do you now see what I see. XP was poisoned off the start line. | May 21 01:57 |
oiaohm | Just no one noticed. | May 21 01:57 |
DaemonFC | you notice Windows 2003 doesn't enable all the dangerous and unprofessional crap | May 21 01:57 |
DaemonFC | by default | May 21 01:57 |
DaemonFC | it has XP themes but they are disabled by default | May 21 01:57 |
oiaohm | WGA could be the greatest posioning of all. | May 21 01:57 |
DaemonFC | meh, a lot of sites still host on Windows 2000 | May 21 01:58 |
DaemonFC | just because Windows 2003 and 2008 are so bloated | May 21 01:58 |
oiaohm | No WGA on 2000 | May 21 01:58 |
DaemonFC | that too | May 21 01:58 |
oiaohm | So it don't play up either. | May 21 01:58 |
DaemonFC | or activation | May 21 01:58 |
oiaohm | MS is abusive to there end users. | May 21 01:58 |
oiaohm | Yet there end users put up with it. | May 21 01:58 |
DaemonFC | yeah Windows 2000 was the last version of Windows you could build a server on and not have me laugh at you :) | May 21 01:59 |
oiaohm | I guess you have seen the MS key server setup. Its kinda insane. | May 21 02:00 |
DaemonFC | funny how companies have something really good and just turn it to crap and piss all over their customers | May 21 02:00 |
DaemonFC | overnight | May 21 02:00 |
oiaohm | Every machine other than key server is only active for 180 days without connecting to the key server. | May 21 02:00 |
DaemonFC | yeah | May 21 02:00 |
DaemonFC | you can set up a fake keyserver | May 21 02:00 |
DaemonFC | in a virtual machine | May 21 02:00 |
oiaohm | Microsoft was never was a good company. | May 21 02:01 |
DaemonFC | and reauthorize your other machines every 180 days | May 21 02:01 |
oiaohm | Microsoft starting out said pirating software was good. | May 21 02:01 |
DaemonFC | there's also a lot of fake activation servers | May 21 02:01 |
DaemonFC | mostly in China | May 21 02:01 |
oiaohm | Now they say the other way now they are top of pack. | May 21 02:01 |
DaemonFC | you can set it to use one of them | May 21 02:01 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft and Metallica | May 21 02:02 |
DaemonFC | loved piracy while it made them famous | May 21 02:02 |
DaemonFC | then did a 180 | May 21 02:02 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 21 02:02 |
oiaohm | The piracy also destroyed MS competition. | May 21 02:02 |
oiaohm | By cutting of there income. | May 21 02:03 |
DaemonFC | Metallica used to encourage people to pirate their songs | May 21 02:03 |
DaemonFC | cause it was making them popular | May 21 02:03 |
DaemonFC | once they got rich and had a huge fanbase, they turned on the "pirates" that got them there | May 21 02:03 |
oiaohm | There is evil. | May 21 02:03 |
DaemonFC | mmhm, first you view it as advertising | May 21 02:04 |
DaemonFC | then when you have no new markets to tap, you try to sink your teeth into the "pirates" | May 21 02:04 |
oiaohm | Funny enough ganster rappers still do it today with boot leg copies. | May 21 02:05 |
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oiaohm | I also suspect all the recent releases of windows software on TPB are the same old stunt. | May 21 02:06 |
_Hicham_ | Hi oiaohm | May 21 02:07 |
oiaohm | Hi _Hicham_ | May 21 02:07 |
_Hicham_ | do u support the piratebay? | May 21 02:07 |
oiaohm | No | May 21 02:08 |
oiaohm | Suppring how many viruses and other crap ships through there system. | May 21 02:08 |
oiaohm | Also aquiring music and other items that way will never get people freedom. | May 21 02:09 |
_Hicham_ | it is helping Windows in fact | May 21 02:10 |
_Hicham_ | that is how Windows locked the market in fact | May 21 02:10 |
_Hicham_ | get a pirated version you are student, buy it when you are employed | May 21 02:10 |
_Hicham_ | and you are fucked | May 21 02:10 |
oiaohm | Exactly The Pirate Bay talking about giving people freedom but they are really taking it away. | May 21 02:10 |
oiaohm | Freedom it steal is not freedom. | May 21 02:11 |
oiaohm | Freedom to steal is not freedom <<corrected typo. | May 21 02:11 |
oiaohm | Its the bit they don't get. | May 21 02:11 |
_Hicham_ | I have seen that Fedora 11 have been delayed | May 21 02:12 |
oiaohm | If I gave you a free pass for 1 day to take what ever you could from a supermarket because some of the items were posioned and I did not know what ones or how to detect the posion would you take it. | May 21 02:13 |
_Hicham_ | I am googling to know why | May 21 02:13 |
oiaohm | That is exactly what The Pirate Bay is. | May 21 02:13 |
_Hicham_ | I stopped downloading pirated software for | May 21 02:14 |
_Hicham_ | the last one was MATLAB for Linux | May 21 02:14 |
oiaohm | Pirate bay really does not sound that good when you think what it really is. | May 21 02:15 |
oiaohm | Projects like creative commons trying to create more truly free and legal content is the true path to freedom. | May 21 02:16 |
neonfloss | I agree and disagree | May 21 02:17 |
_Hicham_ | It was useful for me | May 21 02:17 |
neonfloss | I dont pirate software because I look for alternative | May 21 02:17 |
neonfloss | s | May 21 02:17 |
neonfloss | I search for creative commons music | May 21 02:17 |
_Hicham_ | How could I have MATLAB for Linux without it? | May 21 02:17 |
DaemonFC | I support the pirate bay | May 21 02:18 |
neonfloss | but I do support downloading other music etc, not because it is my ideal method of getting stuff, but because there isnt a better alternative | May 21 02:18 |
DaemonFC | just for the fact that the BSA, RIAA, and MPAA are the real thieves | May 21 02:18 |
oiaohm | Supporting 1 evil to kill another is not a solution DaemonFC | May 21 02:19 |
oiaohm | Its called criminal justification. | May 21 02:19 |
neonfloss | oiaohm, lots of the stuff I download I really cant get anywhere else | May 21 02:19 |
neonfloss | obscure music that im interested to check out once that would cost around 40 dollars to ship | May 21 02:20 |
oiaohm | There is a circle. | May 21 02:20 |
neonfloss | name one online music store that provides lossless audio | May 21 02:20 |
oiaohm | Good old chicken and egg. | May 21 02:20 |
_Hicham_ | piratebay must stay | May 21 02:20 |
neonfloss | oiaohm, I am actively supporting creative commons artists by listening, attending concerts, sharing, and donating | May 21 02:21 |
neonfloss | the riaa has made some bad choices - they have not provided a good 'legal' way to get music | May 21 02:21 |
oiaohm | http://www.magnatune.com/ << neonfloss | May 21 02:22 |
oiaohm | This is part of the problem. | May 21 02:22 |
neonfloss | whats magnatune? | May 21 02:22 |
oiaohm | Supporting piratebay also means people don't find everything that is out there. | May 21 02:22 |
oiaohm | A online line music store neonfloss | May 21 02:23 |
neonfloss | oiaohm, I spend on average 1 hour a day searching for creative commons stuff | May 21 02:23 |
oiaohm | You said name 1. | May 21 02:23 |
neonfloss | sorry - let me rephrase that | May 21 02:23 |
neonfloss | I wasnt clear | May 21 02:23 |
oiaohm | If I dig threw list I can name 8 that provide losses audio. | May 21 02:23 |
neonfloss | name 1 onlince music store that provides lossless music from riaa represented artists | May 21 02:24 |
neonfloss | oiaohm, I realize that the solution is supporting these forward thinking artists, and thats what im doing - but there are artists, that I like, that arent available from these types of places | May 21 02:25 |
neonfloss | new topic - I have an application that is dependant on sse2, but my processor doesnt have sse2 support - any way I can run it? | May 21 02:27 |
oiaohm | Ask yourself a little question. If market stopped listerning to riaa artists they would also stop turning up to there events so would become unprofitable. | May 21 02:28 |
oiaohm | Why would artists stay with them. | May 21 02:28 |
oiaohm | People voting with there feet is massively powerful. | May 21 02:29 |
neonfloss | I agree | May 21 02:30 |
oiaohm | megnature and others like it power to aquire music from artists is dependant on demard. | May 21 02:30 |
oiaohm | The pirate bay is sucking demard away from them. | May 21 02:31 |
neonfloss | oiaohm, its not pirate bay's fault - its society's | May 21 02:32 |
neonfloss | if tpb wasnt there, there would be another site | May 21 02:32 |
oiaohm | I don't have to support anything that comes from societies defects. | May 21 02:32 |
neonfloss | do you have a car? | May 21 02:33 |
oiaohm | Word don't have to. Car is something I have chosen to have. | May 21 02:33 |
oiaohm | Also really a requirement. Lot of my work requires 100 km round trips that are quick. Server failure cannot be left that way. | May 21 02:34 |
DaemonFC | yeah, you've never seen the lack of urban planning turned sprawl | May 21 02:35 |
DaemonFC | that comprises most American cities | May 21 02:35 |
DaemonFC | and no public transportation either | May 21 02:35 |
DaemonFC | it's ridiculous | May 21 02:35 |
neonfloss | oiaohm, the interesting thing is though, that percentage wise, 'pirates' listen to a lot more creative commons music than those that dont 'pirate' | May 21 02:35 |
DaemonFC | if you don't have a car, you can end up walking 3 miles to get something to eat | May 21 02:35 |
oiaohm | I will walk 3 miles for food. | May 21 02:36 |
neonfloss | around 95% of my friends that dont 'pirate' had never heard of creative commons | May 21 02:36 |
neonfloss | a lot more of those that do, had heard | May 21 02:36 |
oiaohm | Problem here pirates also don't talk about what they do. | May 21 02:37 |
oiaohm | Getting the numbers aware of creative commons up in normal law following would long term be more effective. | May 21 02:38 |
neonfloss | ofc | May 21 02:39 |
oiaohm | Piracy is not a magic cure. If anything them mixing with creative commons can cause some law following not to touch it. | May 21 02:39 |
oiaohm | The negitive side is under estermated. | May 21 02:40 |
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neonfloss | piracy is not a cure of course, but a natural response by the public to the innapropriate intellectual property legislation | May 21 02:40 |
oiaohm | Piracy is a trap. | May 21 02:40 |
neonfloss | I agree | May 21 02:40 |
oiaohm | By taking part as a pirate you become a criminal. | May 21 02:41 |
neonfloss | oiaohm, whats the definition of 'pirate' ? | May 21 02:41 |
oiaohm | So you can no longer effectively protest agaist the legislation. | May 21 02:41 |
oiaohm | Software theifs get called pirates becuase its having the same effect. | May 21 02:42 |
neonfloss | what is 'pirate' | May 21 02:42 |
oiaohm | Pirates of the sea did not get to set the rules of the sea. | May 21 02:42 |
neonfloss | I define pirate as one who supports similar goals as the swedish pirate party - "The Pirate Party wants to fundamentally reform copyright law, get rid of the patent system, and ensure that citizens' rights to privacy are respected" | May 21 02:42 |
oiaohm | Pirate is linked threw out history to thiefs of some form. | May 21 02:43 |
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oiaohm | Who end up not being effective due to being jailable or killable. | May 21 02:44 |
_boo_ | no way | May 21 02:44 |
_boo_ | pirates are robbers | May 21 02:44 |
zorph | that is one definition | May 21 02:44 |
zorph | but I use 'pirate' as the other | May 21 02:44 |
_boo_ | did you ever read any book about pirates? | May 21 02:44 |
oiaohm | Not a true form. | May 21 02:44 |
oiaohm | zorph: | May 21 02:44 |
_boo_ | captain blood? | May 21 02:45 |
oiaohm | Some people threw out history were forced to become pirates to stay alive. | May 21 02:45 |
oiaohm | This is different to the moderday people called pirates. | May 21 02:45 |
_boo_ | geoffrey de peirak | May 21 02:45 |
zorph | oiaohm, are you saying that the definition of pirate is not a person who wants to fundamentally reform copyright law, get rid of the patent system, and ensure that citizens' rights to privacy are respected | May 21 02:45 |
_boo_ | from angelica | May 21 02:45 |
zorph | ? | May 21 02:45 |
oiaohm | Correct zorph | May 21 02:46 |
_boo_ | pirates don't want law to be changed... | May 21 02:46 |
oiaohm | Pirates threw out history some had high ideals. | May 21 02:46 |
_boo_ | oh no... they want themselves to be legalized | May 21 02:46 |
oiaohm | Most of the time ended up damaging other peoples rights. | May 21 02:46 |
zorph | in my opinion a person can be a pirate by my definition and have never infringed copyright | May 21 02:46 |
oiaohm | No | May 21 02:46 |
oiaohm | A person is not a pirate then. | May 21 02:47 |
oiaohm | A person who as never infringed is a person after reform. | May 21 02:47 |
oiaohm | Somethings given names as liberationalist. | May 21 02:47 |
_boo_ | the thing is that people become pirates due to law | May 21 02:47 |
oiaohm | A person who seeks to give people freedom. | May 21 02:47 |
_boo_ | yup | May 21 02:48 |
_boo_ | but it's lie about pirates | May 21 02:48 |
_boo_ | there are pirates nowadays but only in the sea | May 21 02:48 |
zorph | do you support the ideals of the pirate party oiaohm ? | May 21 02:48 |
_boo_ | and there are no pirates in the internet | May 21 02:49 |
_boo_ | patent and copyright owners just call them pirates | May 21 02:49 |
_boo_ | because they want to | May 21 02:49 |
_boo_ | and it's a damn lie | May 21 02:49 |
oiaohm | The ideals are wrong zorph. If you destory copyright you also destroy linux. | May 21 02:50 |
oiaohm | Any alteration to copyright has to be done with extream care. | May 21 02:51 |
zorph | oiaohm, it doesnt want to destroy copyright | May 21 02:51 |
zorph | it wants to reform it | May 21 02:51 |
oiaohm | There reforms could destroy Linux's copyleaf from operationing. | May 21 02:51 |
zorph | oiaohm, is copyright as it stands good in you opinion? | May 21 02:51 |
oiaohm | Copyright is one of those evils. I don't like how it is but I know without it things would be worse. | May 21 02:52 |
_boo_ | in my opinion patents are world evil as they are now, and copyrights are to be way reformed | May 21 02:52 |
oiaohm | Problem is everywhere copyright is different. | May 21 02:52 |
oiaohm | Linux copyleaf depends on the power to enforce copyright to cause source code to be shared. | May 21 02:53 |
zorph | without it*** ofc we need copyright | May 21 02:53 |
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zorph | but it needs to be reformed | May 21 02:53 |
oiaohm | Some of there reforms threat the copyleafs power to do that. | May 21 02:53 |
zorph | some of whos reforms? | May 21 02:54 |
oiaohm | Patents there is almost no good reason for them. | May 21 02:54 |
oiaohm | The ones the pirate party have described zorph. | May 21 02:54 |
oiaohm | Rights to remix stuff under mine gpl copyleaf. | May 21 02:55 |
oiaohm | Has to be done with extream care or the end result will be a complete disaster. | May 21 02:56 |
zorph | oiaohm, telling people that they shouldnt listen to all the music they listen to is not a good way to win them over to creative commons - purism doesnt work the best | May 21 02:56 |
straw man zorph | May 21 02:57 | |
no one does that | May 21 02:57 | |
oiaohm | I buy some of my songs I use creative commons for the others. | May 21 02:57 |
telling people the RIAA might steal their house and life savings for sharing with their neighbors is what people do | May 21 02:57 | |
zorph | twitter, oiaohm says that people shouldnt listen to riaa artists, shouldnt pirate their work, or shouldny buy it | May 21 02:58 |
zorph | oiaohm, I buy songs too - just not riaa labels | May 21 02:58 |
everyone has to make their own decisions | May 21 02:58 | |
oiaohm | I don't touch anything from the riaa either. | May 21 02:58 |
giving money to the RIAA is a bad idea | May 21 02:58 | |
zorph | yes | May 21 02:58 |
zorph | but pirateing their work is too | May 21 02:58 |
sharing is good | May 21 02:58 | |
zorph | but listeing is what you want | May 21 02:59 |
oiaohm | Pirating riaa music is also bad. | May 21 02:59 |
zorph | what should you do? | May 21 02:59 |
zorph | not listen? | May 21 02:59 |
have a public library | May 21 02:59 | |
where people can share | May 21 02:59 | |
zorph | yes | May 21 02:59 |
oiaohm | twitter just said a legal path | May 21 02:59 |
zorph | but imo p2p has done what libraries wanted to do | May 21 02:59 |
oiaohm | Around problem. | May 21 02:59 |
P2P is a form of public library | May 21 03:00 | |
zorph | oiaohm, its not - libraries buy from riaa | May 21 03:00 |
oiaohm | P2P is not. | May 21 03:00 |
zorph | so thats not good either | May 21 03:00 |
oiaohm | public library there are limited copies. | May 21 03:00 |
zorph | and what good does limited copies do? | May 21 03:00 |
P2P has created the greatest public sharing known to man. Why limit what is good? | May 21 03:00 | |
It might not be legal, but it is the right thing to do. | May 21 03:01 | |
The law must be changed for the public good. | May 21 03:01 | |
oiaohm | It comes down to the simple fact. Less people who support the problem. | May 21 03:01 |
oiaohm | Less power the problem has. | May 21 03:01 |
oiaohm | artists don't just make there money from sales of songs. | May 21 03:01 |
In the mean time, each person must be informed and make their own decisions. | May 21 03:01 | |
oiaohm | People turnning up to concerts and buying other items are incomes. | May 21 03:02 |
RIAA music only has historic value now. | May 21 03:02 | |
oiaohm | Yes RIAA does take a cut out of that too. | May 21 03:02 |
Culture has liberated itself, despite a great deal of interference by the RIAA. | May 21 03:02 | |
and so big publishers fail. | May 21 03:03 | |
zorph | oiaohm, so you want to oppose the artists, who just happen to be outdated? | May 21 03:03 |
Musicians prosper. | May 21 03:03 | |
Everyone but publishers gain from freedom. | May 21 03:03 | |
oiaohm | Artists do get out of contracts where its not profitable. | May 21 03:03 |
zorph | oiaohm, what about pirateing music from artists that have been dead for 20 years? the artists had no choice to support CC | May 21 03:03 |
oiaohm | Again it stops you from prostesting to get copyright returned to 25 years where it started out. | May 21 03:04 |
Sharing is not equivalent to murder on the high seas, you should not use the propaganda term "pirate" | May 21 03:04 | |
oiaohm | You are doing actions that block your voice zorph | May 21 03:05 |
oiaohm | Remember copy right lifespan is now upto 70 years after death of artist. | May 21 03:06 |
zorph | yes | May 21 03:06 |
_boo_ | and it makes no sense | May 21 03:06 |
Everyone has to make up their own mind about sharing. | May 21 03:06 | |
oiaohm | You cannot fight if you get your hands tied up. | May 21 03:06 |
but the sudden outbreak of common sense is close | May 21 03:06 | |
oiaohm | If everyone prostested for better laws what option would the goverment have. | May 21 03:07 |
oiaohm | If none of those people were guilty. | May 21 03:07 |
_boo_ | lol | May 21 03:07 |
_boo_ | government will just suppress the protests | May 21 03:07 |
zorph | oiaohm, but the laws will not be changed in the next 4 years likely - so you want me to cut myself off from the past. doing this would not let me build upon that art and would harm the progress of music | May 21 03:08 |
oiaohm | Being gulity makes protest suppressable. | May 21 03:08 |
_boo_ | and won't care any further | May 21 03:08 |
if everyone believes in sharing, the law will follow. | May 21 03:08 | |
Grommet | openmoney wooooo | May 21 03:08 |
as surely as the Berlin wall fell, copyright will die. | May 21 03:08 | |
zorph | twitter, copyright shouldnt die | May 21 03:09 |
zorph | it should be reformed | May 21 03:09 |
zorph | without it artists would suffer | May 21 03:09 |
zorph | just as they do now | May 21 03:09 |
oiaohm | anti-trust actions should also be request by public against the riaa. | May 21 03:09 |
oiaohm | And others. | May 21 03:09 |
Artists did just fine for most of history. | May 21 03:10 | |
oiaohm | this is part of the problem. Most people who are upset by it. | May 21 03:10 |
oiaohm | Have tied there hands by breaking law. | May 21 03:10 |
zorph | oiaohm, in canada law experts say that downloading this all rights reserved music is not illegal due to the blank media levy | May 21 03:11 |
oiaohm | And where does that levy go. | May 21 03:11 |
oiaohm | Basically none gets to the artists. | May 21 03:12 |
oiaohm | Everyone is paying for it including people just using the media for data. | May 21 03:12 |
Sharing does not tie anyone's hands, copyright does. | May 21 03:12 | |
zorph | oiaohm, I am against the levy | May 21 03:12 |
zorph | but its there | May 21 03:12 |
oiaohm | Linux existance depends on hands being restricted twitter. | May 21 03:13 |
zorph | oiaohm, why is the Free Software Foundation supporting tanenbaym in Sony BMG Music Entertainment, et al. v. Joel Tenenbaum ? | May 21 03:13 |
oiaohm | They are after correct reforms to the laws zorph. | May 21 03:14 |
zorph | to copyright laws? | May 21 03:14 |
Free software will continue to exist in freedom as it does under copyright. | May 21 03:15 | |
zorph | copyright isnt bad - its just bad as it is now | May 21 03:15 |
oiaohm | twitter: bsd | May 21 03:15 |
zorph | <oiaohm> They are after correct reforms to the laws zorph. | May 21 03:16 |
zorph | <zorph> to copyright laws? | May 21 03:16 |
what about bsd? | May 21 03:16 | |
oiaohm | Lot of hardware for bsd OS's are not returned to bsd because there is no legal requirement. | May 21 03:16 |
no, it's because there are legal barriers to sharing. | May 21 03:16 | |
oiaohm | BSD provides no legal requirement to return alterations. | May 21 03:16 |
oiaohm | No legal requirement to share. | May 21 03:16 |
zorph | oiaohm, is the FSF after coyright reform? | May 21 03:17 |
don't you think coders at various companies would share if they could? | May 21 03:17 | |
they don't because they can't | May 21 03:17 | |
without copyright, they could and would. | May 21 03:17 | |
oiaohm | History of BSD says lot of company will chose to keep secrects. | May 21 03:17 |
oiaohm | If licence does not force there hands. | May 21 03:17 |
You can not project from the non free past like that. | May 21 03:18 | |
and you did not answer my question | May 21 03:19 | |
zorph | or mine | May 21 03:19 |
oiaohm | Histroy says that profit and market lock will come ahead of coders. Unix based on BSD great example. | May 21 03:19 |
oiaohm | Part is ownership of work zorph. | May 21 03:20 |
oiaohm | Current issue with RIAA Sony and others once you do a deal with them you cannot do a deal with another one to supply the item. | May 21 03:20 |
The FSF has many aims. RMS has stated his many times. | May 21 03:20 | |
zorph | oiaohm, so you want pirate bay and other major torrent sites to close, right? | May 21 03:21 |
oiaohm | From a simple virus containment point of view most of them should shut zorph. | May 21 03:21 |
I can't really speak for him, but I can say that he's said that without copyright, there would be no need for the GPL. I don't know if he still thinks that. Why don't you go read up at Stallman.org? | May 21 03:22 | |
zorph | what about google? should google and all major search engines shut down? they link to tons of copyrighted content, and illegal content such as CP | May 21 03:22 |
oiaohm | Difference google will respond to take down notices. | May 21 03:22 |
oiaohm | That is kinda useful when a site is located with a virus. | May 21 03:22 |
oiaohm | Any that don't respond to take down notices should be shutdown just from a secuirty point of view zorph. | May 21 03:23 |
It would be easier to shut down M$ than to outlaw sharing Ohm. | May 21 03:23 | |
zorph | oiaohm, only a small amount get taken down though | May 21 03:23 |
and more just | May 21 03:23 | |
oiaohm | Remember bittorrent was created as a solution to a problem. | May 21 03:23 |
zorph | yes | May 21 03:23 |
oiaohm | It was not sharing stuff against copyright. | May 21 03:24 |
zorph | ofc | May 21 03:24 |
oiaohm | There were some major issues with like the downloading of the Linux kernel. | May 21 03:24 |
oiaohm | Legal content. | May 21 03:24 |
zorph | most of my p2p traffic is not infringing coypright | May 21 03:24 |
oiaohm | There is harm that comes from rules being broken. | May 21 03:25 |
most takedown notices do infringe copyright | May 21 03:25 | |
oiaohm | Virus companies use takedown notices due to threat. | May 21 03:25 |
at least Google take downs, something like 60% are publishers trying to hose their competitors | May 21 03:25 | |
oiaohm | Something piratebay and others disreguard. | May 21 03:26 |
zorph | oiaohm, so you believe all open trackers should be shut down? | May 21 03:26 |
oiaohm | There are a few trackers that do obey take downnotices. | May 21 03:26 |
oiaohm | They do take the responablity of protecting there users. | May 21 03:27 |
I've asked M$ to take down Windows and Outlook many times. Those dirty pirates never seem to listen to me. | May 21 03:27 | |
oiaohm | You cannot compare pirate bay to google. | May 21 03:28 |
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oiaohm | There are other trackers that you can. | May 21 03:28 |
zorph | oiaohm, what about isohunt to google? | May 21 03:28 |
zorph | should isohunt be closed? | May 21 03:28 |
They still offer dysfunctional copies of Mosaic from Spyglass, hacked up copies of quick and dirty OS and other stolen crap. | May 21 03:28 | |
oiaohm | You are making the same flawed argument zorph. | May 21 03:28 |
zorph | oiaohm, should isohunt be closed? | May 21 03:29 |
no one should be kept from sharing | May 21 03:30 | |
oiaohm | If the tracker and search works inside the rules it cannot be closed. | May 21 03:30 |
zorph | so.. | May 21 03:30 |
we should all be able to server the things we like as we like. | May 21 03:30 | |
oiaohm | Its the safe harbor provision. | May 21 03:30 |
zorph | should isohunt in you opinion be closed? | May 21 03:30 |
oiaohm | So that sharing could not be harmed. | May 21 03:30 |
no | May 21 03:30 | |
isohunt should be allowed to index people's sharing | May 21 03:30 | |
as should anyone | May 21 03:31 | |
zorph | oiaohm, ? | May 21 03:31 |
oiaohm | what is isohunt doing wrong. | May 21 03:31 |
zorph | nothing | May 21 03:31 |
oiaohm | Pirate bay was doing more than just providing links. | May 21 03:31 |
zorph | yes | May 21 03:31 |
allowing people to share and index information will make information easy to find and obtain. the same thing can be said of entertainment and other expressions of culture | May 21 03:31 | |
zorph | I agree | May 21 03:32 |
Only harm to people who use deeply flawed and non free software | May 21 03:32 | |
zorph | oiaohm, I think we should stop now | May 21 03:32 |
if you allow censorship, you will only censor those who would warn you of harm | May 21 03:32 | |
zorph | ill end off by saying I believe supporting CC and open source is the way to go | May 21 03:33 |
oiaohm | Pirate bay decide to disguard take down notices could not stay that way. | May 21 03:33 |
zorph | but im less of a purist | May 21 03:33 |
oiaohm | If you don't like a taken down notice you can legally challage it. | May 21 03:33 |
you either believe in freedom or you don't | May 21 03:33 | |
zorph | oiaohm, but is it possible to have takedown notices on an open tracker? not really | May 21 03:33 |
zorph | err | May 21 03:33 |
oiaohm | As google is starting down. | May 21 03:33 |
zorph | let me rephrase | May 21 03:33 |
oiaohm | It is possiable. | May 21 03:33 |
oiaohm | It is also possalbe to put filters on a open tracker. | May 21 03:34 |
zorph | oiaohm, open trackers do not require torrents to be authenticated | May 21 03:34 |
if Google fails as an indexer, others will take Google's place | May 21 03:34 | |
zorph | banning hashes from trackers that are open are innefficient | May 21 03:34 |
zorph | because tracker must check hash each time | May 21 03:34 |
authentication is a publisher's job | May 21 03:34 | |
oiaohm | Who said it has to be effective to be in the law. | May 21 03:34 |
zorph | anyways | May 21 03:34 |
distributions of free software, for example, provide md5 sums | May 21 03:35 | |
zorph | CC and FOSS ftw | May 21 03:35 |
publishers build trust through performance | May 21 03:35 | |
oiaohm | To be correct its the distributions job to take due care. | May 21 03:35 |
Well, we can all verify the result, if it's a free distribution. | May 21 03:36 | |
oiaohm | Pirate bay was taking part in distribution and then tried to disreguard due care. | May 21 03:36 |
no, Pirate bay was indexing other people's sharing | May 21 03:36 | |
there's nothing wrong with that | May 21 03:36 | |
zorph | I agree that piracy is harming CC and open source, but to effectively get rid of piracy would infringe on freedoms | May 21 03:36 |
oiaohm | Even indexs when request to remove stuff still have to twitter. | May 21 03:37 |
no they don't | May 21 03:37 | |
anymore than you have to shut up when I ask you to | May 21 03:37 | |
oiaohm | They do under many countires laws. | May 21 03:37 |
shut up | May 21 03:37 | |
zorph | O_O | May 21 03:37 |
oiaohm | Australia is such an example a guy try to say his website that was indexing kiddy porn was not illegal because it did not host anything. | May 21 03:38 |
oiaohm | Note intentionally indexiing kiddy porn. | May 21 03:38 |
see there, he's still talking. | May 21 03:39 | |
and talking about offensive subjects too. | May 21 03:39 | |
oiaohm | Of course guy is in jail. | May 21 03:39 |
you should be too! | May 21 03:39 | |
zorph | goodnight fellas | May 21 03:39 |
you have offended the morals of the vast majority of tyrants everywhere. | May 21 03:40 | |
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_boo_ | pirate bay is still alive | May 21 03:40 |
good | May 21 03:40 | |
_boo_ | and will be for years more | May 21 03:40 |
you can not keep people from sharing | May 21 03:40 | |
it is expensive and stupid to try | May 21 03:40 | |
oiaohm | Its also expenisve when virus out breaks are caused by it. | May 21 03:41 |
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oiaohm | That could have been controlled with due care from runners of the indexs. | May 21 03:41 |
oiaohm | If people want to run a index and not take due care they deserve what ever they get when they get caught. | May 21 03:42 |
DaemonFC | twitter: aller baiser ta mère | May 21 03:42 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 21 03:42 |
I'm talking to my mom right now, actually. | May 21 03:43 | |
DaemonFC | well, you know what else to do then | May 21 03:43 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 21 03:43 |
I know what you would like to do, but I've got better manners. | May 21 03:44 | |
_boo_ | oiaohm, like google should stop indexing porn? | May 21 03:44 |
Like Ohm is advocating censorship because freedom hurts Windows users. | May 21 03:44 | |
_boo_ | lol | May 21 03:45 |
oiaohm | _boo_: google does remove particular types of porn from there indexs. | May 21 03:45 |
_boo_ | lol | May 21 03:45 |
oiaohm | When its reported. | May 21 03:45 |
_boo_ | oiaohm, you should be censored from the internets | May 21 03:45 |
oiaohm | That is required under due care. | May 21 03:45 |
DaemonFC | anything between two consenting adults is fine with me | May 21 03:45 |
_boo_ | if google does that it also bans plenty of other sites that some government wants to be banned | May 21 03:46 |
DaemonFC | cause it's none of my business | May 21 03:46 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 03:46 |
oiaohm | What google removes is child porn. | May 21 03:46 |
_boo_ | that's what you're told | May 21 03:46 |
oiaohm | And cases where people have been raped as well. | May 21 03:46 |
DaemonFC | Russian kiddie porn no doubt | May 21 03:46 |
oiaohm | The idea that google does not censor somethings is a myth. | May 21 03:47 |
_boo_ | but it should uncensor anything | May 21 03:47 |
oiaohm | Myth of absolute freedom. | May 21 03:48 |
_boo_ | 'cause there should be no censorship in the internets | May 21 03:48 |
Google can publish as they like | May 21 03:48 | |
DaemonFC | no they can't | May 21 03:48 |
oiaohm | Never existed _boo_ | May 21 03:48 |
If they choose to remove links, that's their business. Set up your own search engine. | May 21 03:48 | |
oiaohm | Interents always have had censorship of some form. | May 21 03:49 |
oiaohm | Email filtering came early on in internet history. You want no censorship you also want to spam filters _boo_. | May 21 03:51 |
oiaohm | spam filters are a form of censorship. | May 21 03:52 |
oiaohm | This is the problem there is a blance that has to be mainatained. Between freedom and censorship. | May 21 03:52 |
a history of badness does not mean that bad is good or that we have to be bad | May 21 03:53 | |
oiaohm | Hard part with the blance between freedom and censorship is working out exactly where the line should be. | May 21 03:54 |
DaemonFC | http://www.ranum.com/editorials/divide-conquer/index.html | May 21 03:54 |
DaemonFC | Who needs an enemy when you can divide and conquer yourself? | May 21 03:54 |
oiaohm | We even partly censor our selfs from saying some comments to people we know. | May 21 03:55 |
oiaohm | DaemonFC: not exactly right. Linux looks divide. But compared to Unix's it not as divided. | May 21 03:57 |
DaemonFC | "We all know the strategem, divide and conquer, but, honestly, Microsoft didn't even need to take that initiative. They just sat back and watched free UNIX fail to become a credible threat because, well, frankly, it was in the hands of egotistical, detail-oriented amateurs." | May 21 03:58 |
DaemonFC | heh | May 21 03:58 |
oiaohm | MS did take initiative a few times. | May 21 03:59 |
oiaohm | When it was losing scaling to samba it had to do something. | May 21 03:59 |
DaemonFC | "Any of us who've worked with the various free-nixes out there have run across the "vanity versions" and their related politics: so-and-so won't work with so-and-so-else, let's start a whole new operating system development tree! Wow. Grow up." | May 21 04:00 |
DaemonFC | the horrible thing is that there's some truth in that | May 21 04:00 |
oiaohm | Big issue here divide is simple merge has been hard. | May 21 04:01 |
oiaohm | Its more a techincal issue with the design. | May 21 04:02 |
oiaohm | Good thing here is solarias and bsd's has done a lot of rearch into allowing merging. | May 21 04:05 |
Bill Gates has a GNU/Linux distro? | May 21 04:08 | |
->egotistical, detail-oriented amateurs | May 21 04:08 | |
Oh yeah, he's ruining Novell | May 21 04:09 | |
DaemonFC | http://www.ranum.com/editorials/software-lawsuits/ | May 21 04:13 |
DaemonFC | this is actually more amusing :) | May 21 04:13 |
Ziggyfish | twitter, Bill Gates's Linux distro = Window ;) | May 21 04:14 |
DaemonFC | "They paid $500,000 for this software. Once they had it more or less working, they were ready to roll it out, and decided it was time to look at security. You can probably guess what happened next: | May 21 04:16 |
DaemonFC | There was none." | May 21 04:16 |
DaemonFC | lol | May 21 04:16 |
That's an interesting article. People knowingly chose second rate software because an owner stands behind it being second rate. | May 21 04:18 | |
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tessier | schestowitz: Hope the server reboot earlier didn't inconvenience you. A lot of expanding and re-architecting going on lately. The good news is that I now have a dedicated server to move bn onto. I am working on migrating stuff now. I will give you heads up when I will have to shut down the db to make a copy. Then you can switch the dns to the new IP and start making your updates over there. | May 21 06:59 |
tessier | This will let you have access to the logs, run whatever stats software you want, and will separate bn from my stuff so DOS etc won't affect me and any security problems (and bn is certainly a tempting target) won't affect my personal or corporate stuff. | May 21 07:00 |
tessier | I'll set you up with sudo on the new server so you can get root. | May 21 07:00 |
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ut oh, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124288312709842515.html | May 21 07:25 | |
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schestowitz | tessier: thanks! | May 21 08:01 |
schestowitz | BTW, I hope Amazon gets automatic backup of mysql, just in case. | May 21 08:02 |
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schestowitz | Beebe has been harassing me a lot too. Did half a dozen post especially 'for' me... | May 21 08:12 |
schestowitz | tessier: I notice that all visits are said to be coming from localhost and not the IPs of the visitors. Do you know why? | May 21 08:27 |
schestowitz | Lists of Microsoft- and Gates-Hired Lobbyists in the United States of America < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/21/list-microsoft-and-gates-lobbyists/ > | May 21 08:54 |
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the_mad_hatter | Evening | May 21 09:35 |
the_mad_hatter | Roy, could you do me a favor? | May 21 09:36 |
the_mad_hatter | Post something on this - I know it's off topic, but hey, a charity is involved | May 21 09:37 |
the_mad_hatter | Acer Tells Kid's Charity - Pay Up or Shut Up | May 21 09:37 |
the_mad_hatter | http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/05/acer-tells-kids-charity-pay-up-or-shut.html | May 21 09:37 |
the_mad_hatter | Ken could use the help. | May 21 09:37 |
schestowitz | I was going to put this in daily links | May 21 09:37 |
schestowitz | Yes, I know Ken | May 21 09:37 |
schestowitz | We correspond | May 21 09:37 |
the_mad_hatter | Good. I'm going to go raise some shit somewhere else <G> | May 21 09:38 |
the_mad_hatter | Actually I should probably go to bed, it's 5:00 AM | May 21 09:40 |
schestowitz | WOT? | May 21 09:41 |
schestowitz | Oh, I thought you were a Brit | May 21 09:41 |
the_mad_hatter | no, Canadian. I have a cousin on my mother's side who's a detective on the London force though, and my wife is from Stoke. | May 21 09:47 |
the_mad_hatter | I get my british tv fix (Time Team, Doctor Who, Torchwood, Midsomer Murders) from bit torrent | May 21 09:49 |
schestowitz | Ah, Stoke | May 21 09:51 |
schestowitz | Now I remember the source of confusion | May 21 09:51 |
schestowitz | Google Street View Faces Scrutiny In Germany < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/05/20/google-street-view-faces-scrutiny-in-germany > | May 21 09:52 |
schestowitz | Google Street.. wait until Google Colons comes out... with full rectal examination of every person on the planet. Really, how far does this greed for information go? | May 21 09:53 |
schestowitz | Latest Report About Microsoft’s Newly-Found Affair with Software Patents (as Anti-FOSS Mechanism) < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/21/microsofts-anti-foss-mechanism/ > | May 21 09:54 |
the_mad_hatter | Google Colons. Think I'll pass. | May 21 09:54 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090519/1045574932.shtml "Next, they'll have to ban using the mobile web, or IM, or playing Tetris on your phone while driving, since they've left these (and plenty of other activities) out, but we digress..." | May 21 09:55 |
schestowitz | the_mad_hatter: you can't pass. They'll sent the Google Ambulance round every person's house | May 21 09:55 |
the_mad_hatter | BTW, I remember a link from an article that went to a ZDNet site that had a beautiful graph of Linux market share at about 8%, do you remember it? | May 21 09:56 |
schestowitz | Now, the only issue I have though is that Microsoft is behind some of these lobbying groups about "privacy" | May 21 09:56 |
schestowitz | the_mad_hatter: can you find that? I never saw such a thing. | May 21 09:56 |
the_mad_hatter | I know I did, and now I can't find it. It's really annoying. | May 21 09:57 |
the_mad_hatter | Oh, and driving while using any electronic device that isn't hands free (GPS, Phone, etc.) is illegal here | May 21 09:57 |
the_mad_hatter | Did you see the post on Groklaw about patents a couple of days ago? | May 21 10:00 |
schestowitz | Which one? I read all posts | May 21 10:01 |
schestowitz | Re devices, hands-free or not, it's a distraction. | May 21 10:01 |
the_mad_hatter | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20090514214945549&title=Need+help+with+research+about+patents&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=756833#c757022 | May 21 10:02 |
schestowitz | Most death are consequence of such accidents (bar illnesses). People should treat it as a 'blessed' activity where ALL attention should be put on driving, for the sake of those AROUND the driver at the very least | May 21 10:02 |
schestowitz | One could go further and say "no radio" too, but I digress. | May 21 10:02 |
the_mad_hatter | And my reply: | May 21 10:02 |
the_mad_hatter | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20090514214945549&title=I+know+a+bit+about+patents&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=757022#c757245 | May 21 10:02 |
schestowitz | Written by Nick Farrell | May 21 10:02 |
schestowitz | Is this it? | May 21 10:03 |
schestowitz | Nick Farrell is trollish | May 21 10:03 |
the_mad_hatter | And yes, you should watch the road. A guy I know was driving through town in a rain storm, and passed a beautiful young lady wearing a white tee shirt, and then hit a poll. | May 21 10:03 |
the_mad_hatter | no, anonymous | May 21 10:04 |
the_mad_hatter | My reply was to anonymous, so if you have ignore anonymous turned on you wouldn't see it. | May 21 10:04 |
schestowitz | I'm reading the comments about BN | May 21 10:06 |
schestowitz | "Or maybe the purpose of the DOS is to make their ISP drop them." http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20090514214945549&title=Anybody+know+what+is+happening+with+the+Boycott+Novell+site%3F&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=756928#c756930 | May 21 10:06 |
schestowitz | That's exactly what they did. | May 21 10:06 |
schestowitz | We are likely to have tessier donating space | May 21 10:06 |
the_mad_hatter | Ah - I was talking about the comment on Groklaw about patents. | May 21 10:08 |
the_mad_hatter | That would be nice. (Tessier) | May 21 10:09 |
the_mad_hatter | Crap - 5:30. I gotta get some sleep. Talk to you later. | May 21 10:11 |
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schestowitz | kentma1: I'll catch up with yesterday in a moment. No news postings yesterday... | May 21 10:15 |
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oiaohm | I just caught something important. 1000 people doing a physical protest was enough to change the path of envormental policy in the USA. | May 21 10:29 |
oiaohm | So far over copyright no one bothers setting that up. | May 21 10:29 |
schestowitz | Extension? | May 21 10:32 |
schestowitz | Not enough people are aware of the ramification, so an information campaign may be needed to inform and sway public opinion. Like national propaganda, but working in reverse -- AGAINST the cronies. | May 21 10:34 |
oiaohm | It was the fora tv program here that does education things. The were doing how different political changes came to be. | May 21 10:34 |
oiaohm | Action is just as important as information. | May 21 10:34 |
oiaohm | Action goverments can see. | May 21 10:35 |
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schestowitz | http://www.fayerwayer.com/2009/05/boycott-novell-bajo-ataque-ddos/ | May 21 10:44 |
schestowitz | brb | May 21 10:45 |
schestowitz | Dell is actually right: Most Linux users don't really need the latest version < http://www.betanews.com/article/Dell-Most-Linux-users-dont-really-need-the-latest-version/1242843704 > | May 21 10:46 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: no attacks in almost a day now | May 21 10:47 |
schestowitz | All the traffic that comes to the CMS so to speak is from localhost, which is interesting. | May 21 10:47 |
oiaohm | This is what normally happens. | May 21 10:48 |
oiaohm | When a ddos has turned into a failure. | May 21 10:48 |
schestowitz | Want to Send a Document to Your Kindle? 15 Cents, Please. < http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/20/want-to-send-a-document-to-your-kindle-15-cents-please/ > Yay. The future... | May 21 10:50 |
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schestowitz | IBM starts distributing more GNU/Linux desktops: http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/05-21-2009/0005030510&EDATE= | May 21 10:54 |
tessier | schestowitz: The apache logs will say from localhost, the squid logs have the real ip. This is because squid proxies to/from localhost so apache sees the connection coming from localhost | May 21 10:55 |
tessier | I'm beat for tonight so the switch won't be tonight. But once the switch is done there will be only apache logs and they will contain the correct visitor ip addresses. | May 21 10:55 |
schestowitz | tessier: that's fine :-) | May 21 10:56 |
schestowitz | The most important thing is to serve pages to most people. The rest, stats including, are of not much interest to me | May 21 10:57 |
schestowitz | Groklaw disabled logging altogether on the server, for performance reasons. | May 21 10:57 |
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schestowitz | Transparency loses again: Missing 1TB of Clinton White House data < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/21/lost_white_house_hard_drive/ > | May 21 11:00 |
ushimitsudoki1 | I'm thinking about getting a Dell Mini | May 21 11:09 |
oiaohm | squid works to hold load down as well. Personally I prefer logging in squid than appache for that reason. | May 21 11:22 |
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schestowitz | GNU/Linux is the Fastest-growing Platform http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/67114.html | May 21 11:27 |
schestowitz | IBM Spreads Linux Appliances http://www.itjungle.com/bns/bns051909-story01.html | May 21 11:28 |
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schestowitz | Linux 'desktop' enters 10-billion chipset area: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/304074/linux_2_6_30_strong_arms_into_mobile_device_support | May 21 11:30 |
schestowitz | The Myth About GNU/Linux and Killer Applications is Busted http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/6753/1/ | May 21 11:34 |
schestowitz | The AwesomeWM Window Managers Makes Its Case http://tuxtraining.com/2009/05/19/intro-to-awesomewm | May 21 11:36 |
schestowitz | KDE4 Shows Some Very Exciting New Features http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3821211/ http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/05/integrate-google-gadgets-with-plasma-in.html | May 21 11:38 |
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oiaohm | Others will follow IBM lead. | May 21 11:40 |
oiaohm | Game in the small business market for servers is going to get interesting. | May 21 11:41 |
schestowitz | Musix GNU/Linux 2.0 is Near, A Look at the Distribution http://beginlinux.wordpress.com/2009/05/19/musix-to-my-ears/ | May 21 11:42 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: yes | May 21 11:42 |
schestowitz | Lots of IBM today | May 21 11:42 |
schestowitz | Server and desktop | May 21 11:42 |
schestowitz | But to let Lotus (proprietary) win is no win | May 21 11:42 |
oiaohm | Define no win. IBM is not going to be doomed. IBM is also not going to be alone in a open market for long. | May 21 11:44 |
oiaohm | Orcale IBM and other hardware makers this could get quite dynamic. | May 21 11:44 |
schestowitz | Red Hat Introduces New Products http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3821026/ http://searchsoa.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid26_gci1356884,00.html | May 21 11:45 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: no win for use, the mere peons | May 21 11:45 |
schestowitz | Red Hat Wins Major Contract in Slovenia http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090520005331&newsLang=en | May 21 11:46 |
oiaohm | True open competition in the market normally results in lower prices. | May 21 11:47 |
schestowitz | Yes, but we need control of our computing. | May 21 11:47 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZWKXNo_vA0 | May 21 11:47 |
oiaohm | I know | May 21 11:47 |
oiaohm | You have to get crack first. | May 21 11:48 |
oiaohm | More competition more open market then people can start asking for more control. | May 21 11:48 |
oiaohm | Nice part about competing vendors is that you can play one agaisnt the other to get more control. | May 21 11:49 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu Aims to Make GNU/Linux SaaS Its Own http://www.mspmentor.net/2009/05/19/managed-services-meet-linux-clouds/ | May 21 11:49 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, exactly | May 21 11:50 |
schestowitz | Also, you can threaten to live if there is no lockin | May 21 11:50 |
schestowitz | Red Hat->Debian | May 21 11:50 |
schestowitz | LiMo Keeps Expanding with Mobile Linux http://www.reuters.com/article/GlobalTechnology09/idUSTRE54J1GQ20090520 | May 21 11:51 |
oiaohm | Look at what IBM is upto is first stage. | May 21 11:52 |
schestowitz | Dell Keeps Expanding with GNU/Linux http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10245400-1.html | May 21 11:53 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: aye. IBM is to be watched cautiously. | May 21 11:53 |
schestowitz | IBM doesn't hate us "Linux people" | May 21 11:53 |
schestowitz | He uses us | May 21 11:53 |
schestowitz | To sell more IBM | May 21 11:54 |
schestowitz | /He/It/ | May 21 11:54 |
schestowitz | As long as IBM improves my Mandriva and tessier's CentOS, I'm fine with that | May 21 11:54 |
MinceR | r4wr | May 21 11:55 |
oiaohm | IBM will be stepping on NAS market zones. | May 21 11:55 |
schestowitz | Most Popular Mobile Browser Targets Linux? http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10012783o-2000331761b,00.htm | May 21 11:56 |
schestowitz | NAS? IBM? | May 21 11:56 |
schestowitz | They sell NAS appliances? | May 21 11:56 |
MinceR | "Garnet-based Access Linux Platform" Garnet-based? i thought it was Cobalt-based | May 21 11:57 |
schestowitz | Yeah, I saw that | May 21 11:58 |
schestowitz | Did Cobalt make the light of day? | May 21 11:58 |
schestowitz | Palm OS 5.5? | May 21 11:58 |
schestowitz | Or thereabouts? | May 21 11:59 |
schestowitz | Palm OS will have a place in the bit museum... in some jar with jelly and a memory chip | May 21 11:59 |
schestowitz | The Sun Only Powers GNU/Linux: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/05/spanish-solar-powered-bio-degradable-netbook/ | May 21 12:01 |
schestowitz | "University of Paderborn plans to buy 3000 netbooks and would accept them running Linux." http://jan.wildeboer.net/2009/05/identica-updates-for-2009-05-16/ | May 21 12:02 |
schestowitz | New Notebook Costs $250 and Runs GNU/Linux http://www.digitalhome.ca/content/view/3711/280/ | May 21 12:03 |
MinceR | i think they've turned Cobalt into ALP | May 21 12:03 |
schestowitz | Yes | May 21 12:03 |
schestowitz | ACCESS Linux Platform | May 21 12:04 |
schestowitz | IIRC | May 21 12:04 |
MinceR | after they've replaced the proprietary kernel they licensed from whoever with Linux | May 21 12:04 |
MinceR | Palm OS 5 is Garnet, Palm OS 6 was Cobalt | May 21 12:04 |
oiaohm | Solar netbook/laptop would be useful in place. | May 21 12:05 |
schestowitz | Yes, also for travel | May 21 12:06 |
schestowitz | There is one with rechargeable bench | May 21 12:06 |
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schestowitz | You sit on it to recharge and it uses solar energy | May 21 12:06 |
schestowitz | kentma: the server was down for a moment | May 21 12:06 |
schestowitz | Say Hello to Officeshots.org http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/120597/ | May 21 12:08 |
oiaohm | camping way around country comes around my mind. | May 21 12:09 |
schestowitz | Depends which country | May 21 12:10 |
schestowitz | Maybe Aussie | May 21 12:10 |
schestowitz | But in non-rural countries (urban) you can charge up | May 21 12:10 |
schestowitz | Also carry mmultiple batteries | May 21 12:10 |
schestowitz | A lot of pocket calculators become solar-powered over time | May 21 12:11 |
schestowitz | These days, PDAs/smartphones replace those. Same goes for watches. I have not been wearing any watches for years | May 21 12:11 |
schestowitz | Health Care Wants to be Open, with Free Software http://www.thehealthcareblog.com/the_health_care_blog/2009/05/should-health-care-standards-be-open-source.html#more | May 21 12:14 |
oiaohm | Australia its cheeper to stay in a tent in a lot of places without power points. | May 21 12:14 |
schestowitz | The US has many tent cities developing | May 21 12:15 |
schestowitz | Worse than caravan cities (aka trailer park) | May 21 12:15 |
schestowitz | Poverty takes its toll. People who bought first to pay later | May 21 12:15 |
schestowitz | Now they sell the houses at a loss to pay back mortgages they are unable to afford | May 21 12:16 |
oiaohm | Most of our tent cities are well paid people. If you don't have a job here you do get a min income. | May 21 12:16 |
oiaohm | USA is a very nasty place for how they treat people. | May 21 12:17 |
schestowitz | You mean Clinton and welfare? | May 21 12:18 |
schestowitz | They reformed the system | May 21 12:18 |
schestowitz | Limits on welfare and all. | May 21 12:18 |
oiaohm | There is and is not a limit here. | May 21 12:18 |
oiaohm | You will always get money. But past a particular point you will have to work for it doing community things. | May 21 12:19 |
oiaohm | So people don't end up stuffed. | May 21 12:19 |
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schestowitz | Cisco makes peace with Free Software Foundation http://blogs.computerworld.com/cisco_makes_peace_with_free_software_foundation | May 21 12:21 |
schestowitz | British Government Bamboozled by Microsoft and Lock-in < http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=2205&blogid=14 > | May 21 12:22 |
oiaohm | Yep Cisco settled. | May 21 12:23 |
oiaohm | Cisco said early on they would not fight it if another way was provided. | May 21 12:24 |
oiaohm | Odds of winning a GPL case before a judge is slim to none. | May 21 12:24 |
schestowitz | Governments Increasingly Bite Into Freedom Software http://magazine.redhat.com/2009/05/19/video-open-source-government/ | May 21 12:25 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: it would also be bad PR | May 21 12:25 |
schestowitz | [had Cisco became anti-GPL fighter] | May 21 12:25 |
oiaohm | It was bad PR with the screw up. | May 21 12:27 |
oiaohm | It would have been night mare PR to fight it. | May 21 12:27 |
oiaohm | That british one is talking about doing what I was talking about. | May 21 12:28 |
oiaohm | Slow but long term work to freeself. | May 21 12:28 |
schestowitz | Yes | May 21 12:29 |
schestowitz | Maybe the recession ain't helping | May 21 12:29 |
schestowitz | They think short-ter (survival) | May 21 12:29 |
oiaohm | recession is helping. | May 21 12:31 |
oiaohm | Why else would they be worried about reducing development costs. | May 21 12:31 |
schestowitz | Yes, I know | May 21 12:35 |
schestowitz | But there are those reversing the arguments | May 21 12:35 |
oiaohm | True TCO once you get over a particular size there is no real saving out sourcing to closed source. | May 21 12:56 |
*liberfiasco is now known as libervisco | May 21 13:00 | |
schestowitz | Exactly. | May 21 13:02 |
schestowitz | But never use the term TCO | May 21 13:03 |
schestowitz | It was created by Microsoft and Gartner to mock Linux and FOSS | May 21 13:03 |
oiaohm | TCO they created to mock Linux. But its a double sided sword. | May 21 13:06 |
schestowitz | Not really | May 21 13:29 |
schestowitz | Better to rename or chnage terminology | May 21 13:29 |
oiaohm | We could always change it to a FCA | May 21 13:31 |
oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_cost_accounting | May 21 13:31 |
oiaohm | You are basically doing the same thing. | May 21 13:31 |
schestowitz | YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS - George Carlin < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0E > | May 21 13:39 |
schestowitz | George Carlin - We Like War < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDkhzHQO7jY&NR=1 >. Very funny! | May 21 13:51 |
oiaohm | Usa large business is making weapons. | May 21 13:52 |
oiaohm | Without wars what use are weapons. | May 21 13:52 |
oiaohm | http://www.blendernation.com/2009/05/21/truespace-story-ending/ Another section of MS bites the big one. | May 21 13:59 |
schestowitz | George Carlin on Our Similarities < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgps85scy1g&NR=1 > Also great | May 21 13:59 |
*schestowitz lokks | May 21 14:00 | |
schestowitz | oiaohm: thanks | May 21 14:10 |
schestowitz | An administrator from an anti-Linux site claims to be the attacker BTW | May 21 14:10 |
schestowitz | But I won't mention this | May 21 14:10 |
oiaohm | Not worth advertising them. | May 21 14:11 |
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oiaohm | If they are the attacker another attacker will take them out. | May 21 14:11 |
oiaohm | Insane buggers exist on both sides. | May 21 14:11 |
oiaohm | George Carlin is great. | May 21 14:12 |
schestowitz | Did you want that last link? | May 21 14:12 |
oiaohm | If you mean the blendernation one use it . Its indirectly advertised blender that is use. | May 21 14:15 |
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schestowitz | Give me a moment.. | May 21 14:29 |
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schestowitz | Microsoft Kills Another Product a Year After Buying it < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/21/microsoft-ends-truespace/ > | May 21 14:33 |
oiaohm | Blender.org itself was brought by users when it closed down. | May 21 14:36 |
oiaohm | opps | May 21 14:36 |
oiaohm | When NAN closed down. | May 21 14:36 |
oiaohm | 3d developers are one of the few groups who will due to the cost of converting models. | May 21 14:36 |
oiaohm | Really if MS is truly short of money they should put a price tag on it. Blender was a few Million for the source code. | May 21 14:37 |
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schestowitz | Blender used to be proprietary IIRC | May 21 14:54 |
oiaohm | Yep what I totally screwed up saying schestowitz. | May 21 15:00 |
oiaohm | http://www.osnews.com/story/21530/The_Loongson-2_MIPS_Lemote_Yeeloong_Netbook Binary blob free laptop. | May 21 15:00 |
schestowitz | Nice | May 21 15:01 |
oiaohm | /netbook. | May 21 15:01 |
oiaohm | If they would only get a little larger with a old style keyboard so I can type. | May 21 15:01 |
oiaohm | http://linux.com/news/enterprise/biz-enterprise/11216-new-study-shows-linux-desktop-growing-stronger The graphic there really shows the problem areas. | May 21 15:05 |
No one but a sole developer has the "latest version" of any free software. It improves continuously from many sources contributors. You can come close to newest but never get there. Another difference between free and non free software is that you can make the missing feature you want. Non free software users don't always understand this. | May 21 15:10 | |
Google street view is a great tool. | May 21 15:13 | |
much nicer than the M$ way of using other people's pictures with geolocation to make the same kind of maps. | May 21 15:14 | |
and much more functional | May 21 15:14 | |
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oiaohm | The word of that needs to improved. With open source/free software. You can always find other people interested in the same features as you. | May 21 15:14 |
If you want to worry about privacy violations, look to the M$ 3d map project | May 21 15:14 | |
oiaohm | and in most case in time get them developed. | May 21 15:14 |
and look to UID in photo tags | May 21 15:15 | |
schestowitz | On Personal Abuse from Novell < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/21/personal-abuse-from-novell/ > | May 21 15:16 |
there is a free or at least "open" mapping project. http://openstreetmap.org/ | May 21 15:16 | |
schestowitz | Yes, twitter, agreed. | May 21 15:16 |
I remember reading about blue tooth in cameras and cell phones being used to track individual movement in malls. how creepy is that? | May 21 15:17 | |
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schestowitz | Some people are still very secretive about their lives. It's a mentality mode. | May 21 15:17 |
tacone | how it's going with doses and stuff ? | May 21 15:17 |
schestowitz | I've been open since around 2003 | May 21 15:17 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/05/acer-tells-kids-charity-pay-up-or-shut.html | May 21 15:17 |
schestowitz | Yes, got that | May 21 15:17 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/89124fc0354497c0# | May 21 15:18 |
the problem is control. an organization that has access to email, phone, traffic cameras, purchasing information, and location information - in short the "Total Information Awareness" - has the power to identify, track and neutralize for political and economic reasons. | May 21 15:19 | |
It is beyond Orwel's darkest imagination. | May 21 15:20 | |
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and most of it is already in place | May 21 15:20 | |
every check written in the US is scanned front and back with OCR, which is amazingly accurate, then corrected by hand, then sent to the Federal government. | May 21 15:21 | |
credit cards are obvious tracking | May 21 15:21 | |
email and phone calls have been violated completely. | May 21 15:21 | |
inbound, outbound filtering exist at ISP level and above. | May 21 15:22 | |
voice communication can automatically be trasncribed and filtered with reasonable accuracy | May 21 15:22 | |
traffic cameras have already been used to stop and harass for political reasons in the UK | May 21 15:23 | |
cell phones also provide tracking information | May 21 15:23 | |
even public buses have cameras in them now. | May 21 15:23 | |
you can't go anywhere of interest, spend anything, or say anything with any reasonable assurance of privacy. It's gross and it is no wonder that the economy falls over. | May 21 15:25 | |
oiaohm | Laptops bricking is nothing new. | May 21 15:25 |
oiaohm | I always ask to the the bios before buying. | May 21 15:25 |
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MinceR | oiaohm: please elaborate. | May 21 15:26 |
oiaohm | Phoenix have had the habit of storing password in flash | May 21 15:27 |
oiaohm | Not cmos for a long time. | May 21 15:27 |
Balrog_ | oiaohm: that's evil | May 21 15:27 |
Balrog_ | unless there's a backdoor | May 21 15:28 |
oiaohm | Basically without the master password for that model you are screwed unless you pull the bios out and rewrite it. | May 21 15:28 |
DaemonFC | I think I know how he could fix it | May 21 15:28 |
DaemonFC | they have those external BIOS flashers | May 21 15:28 |
DaemonFC | for when you can't get the machine to start at all | May 21 15:29 |
oiaohm | Yep. | May 21 15:29 |
oiaohm | That is the way in against phoenix's. | May 21 15:29 |
DaemonFC | if he could find a shop with one of those | May 21 15:29 |
DaemonFC | explain that he was a charity | May 21 15:29 |
DaemonFC | they may do something | May 21 15:29 |
MinceR | how difficult are those to get? | May 21 15:29 |
MinceR | and how much do they cost? | May 21 15:29 |
DaemonFC | about $1,000 I believe | May 21 15:29 |
DaemonFC | expensive | May 21 15:29 |
MinceR | also, i'd figure it means losing warranty | May 21 15:30 |
DaemonFC | no | May 21 15:30 |
oiaohm | Depends on bios. | May 21 15:30 |
MinceR | (though if you do have warranty, you might be able to have it fixed...) | May 21 15:30 |
DaemonFC | if you flash over it with their BIOS | May 21 15:30 |
DaemonFC | they'd never know it from an update | May 21 15:30 |
MinceR | i'm not only considering the "do they know" angle, though | May 21 15:30 |
MinceR | also legally | May 21 15:30 |
DaemonFC | it's legal | May 21 15:30 |
DaemonFC | you didn't reverse engineer anything | May 21 15:30 |
DaemonFC | you own the machine | May 21 15:31 |
MinceR | (that is, what do the legal terms of warranty allow you to do) | May 21 15:31 |
DaemonFC | and this gives you no idea how their shit works | May 21 15:31 |
DaemonFC | it jsut flashes over it with a clean copy | May 21 15:31 |
DaemonFC | they can't tell you that you can't update your BIOS | May 21 15:31 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 15:31 |
MinceR | :) | May 21 15:31 |
MinceR | but they can tell you that you can't open the case to access the flash bios chip | May 21 15:32 |
MinceR | can't they? | May 21 15:32 |
DaemonFC | no | May 21 15:32 |
DaemonFC | those ports are meant for just such an occassion | May 21 15:32 |
DaemonFC | they would have him ship it to them to do the same damned thing | May 21 15:32 |
oiaohm | Cheepest I have see for the writer is 200 AUD. More expensive onces cover more chip types. | May 21 15:32 |
DaemonFC | any A+ certified computer repair shop will have one | May 21 15:33 |
oiaohm | Issue is acer don't make it simple. | May 21 15:33 |
oiaohm | They solder the bugger on. | May 21 15:33 |
oiaohm | Yep no socket to remove it from. | May 21 15:34 |
DaemonFC | hence the service port | May 21 15:34 |
DaemonFC | it's cheaper to let it be externally flashed than to replace EVERY board that comes back | May 21 15:35 |
oiaohm | There is another something more evil. CPU is removable. CPU form of board with that connects to the CPU and uses its own bios to start up. once started you can flash the on board flash. | May 21 15:37 |
oiaohm | So not all boards have service ports either. | May 21 15:38 |
MinceR | :) | May 21 15:38 |
MinceR | where are the service ports typically? | May 21 15:38 |
oiaohm | Anywhere. | May 21 15:38 |
oiaohm | They can be as crapply as a few tracks leading to dead ends on the board | May 21 15:39 |
oiaohm | Going in different directions away from the flash. | May 21 15:39 |
oiaohm | With boards been 4 layour + known that it is the service port can be tricky. | May 21 15:41 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, Hotmail SMTP requires TLS | May 21 15:42 |
MinceR | so does google | May 21 15:43 |
DaemonFC | SSL works with google | May 21 15:43 |
DaemonFC | wasn't TLS invesnted by Microsoft? | May 21 15:44 |
schestowitz | invested/invented | May 21 15:45 |
schestowitz | Same thing in MS | May 21 15:45 |
schestowitz | They buy 'inventions' | May 21 15:45 |
MinceR | afaik TLS is just an IETF standardized version of SSL 3.0 | May 21 15:46 |
MinceR | (that's what came out of standardizing SSL) | May 21 15:46 |
MinceR | (actually it started at 3.0) | May 21 15:47 |
DaemonFC | I thought the funniest post on that HeliOS blog was that school teacher | May 21 15:52 |
DaemonFC | "If you ask Microsofot real nicely, I'm sure they could give you a few copies of Windows XP" | May 21 15:52 |
DaemonFC | *Microsoft | May 21 15:52 |
DaemonFC | "Linux is illegal dontcha know?" | May 21 15:53 |
MinceR | lol | May 21 15:53 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 15:53 |
DaemonFC | 20 cents a CD is about what each blank costs retail, if that | May 21 15:54 |
DaemonFC | say 5 cents to package it | May 21 15:54 |
DaemonFC | in one of those nice sleeves | May 21 15:54 |
Balrog_ | or 50c for a 'jewel case; | May 21 15:55 |
Balrog_ | ' * | May 21 15:55 |
MinceR | sleeves are hardly nice :> | May 21 15:55 |
DaemonFC | so Microsoft can send out 4 copies of XP and it would only cost them $1 or so | May 21 15:55 |
DaemonFC | for the materials | May 21 15:55 |
DaemonFC | maybe 75 cents to mail each one in a cardboard sleeve on top of that | May 21 15:55 |
DaemonFC | so about $1 a copy | May 21 15:56 |
DaemonFC | if they mailed a physical copy out to schools | May 21 15:56 |
DaemonFC | now they can also use VLK and make each CD installable on up to 100 systems | May 21 15:57 |
schestowitz | Why not over the network? | May 21 15:57 |
DaemonFC | so for $100 from Microsoft you could install 10,000 copies of XP | May 21 15:57 |
MinceR | they prefer to make them pay a lot from taxpayers' money anyway | May 21 15:57 |
DaemonFC | that's if they sent you the stuff on a stamped CD | May 21 15:58 |
DaemonFC | in the mail | May 21 15:58 |
DaemonFC | but then they take the 10,000 CDs | May 21 15:58 |
DaemonFC | they say "This is $200 worth of software, EACH!" | May 21 15:58 |
DaemonFC | and they write $2 million off their taxes | May 21 15:59 |
DaemonFC | as a business loss | May 21 15:59 |
DaemonFC | off a $100 investment | May 21 15:59 |
DaemonFC | and say 12 kids use each computer and those computers last through 5-6 years in each classroom | May 21 16:00 |
DaemonFC | now they have a factory where they teach millions of kids to need Windows and get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for doing so by the US government | May 21 16:00 |
DaemonFC | and schestowitz is right, the vast majority is just they give the school a VLK and a download link | May 21 16:01 |
DaemonFC | and the school has to use their resources to download and burn it | May 21 16:01 |
DaemonFC | so they don't even pay the full $100 investment :P | May 21 16:01 |
DaemonFC | it becomes free advertising paid for by the IRS tax code | May 21 16:02 |
DaemonFC | those free copies of Windows are still getting paid for | May 21 16:02 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 21 16:02 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm going to be calling Acer | May 21 16:07 |
Balrog_ | DaemonFC: why? | May 21 16:07 |
DaemonFC | and I'm going to record it | May 21 16:08 |
DaemonFC | just to voice my disgust | May 21 16:08 |
DaemonFC | Wikipedia is slow | May 21 16:09 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 16:09 |
DaemonFC | and it's inaccessible now | May 21 16:10 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 16:10 |
Balrog_ | inaccessible?!? | May 21 16:10 |
DaemonFC | yeah | May 21 16:11 |
DaemonFC | probably just under load | May 21 16:12 |
DaemonFC | maybe | May 21 16:12 |
DaemonFC | it could be ComCrap | May 21 16:12 |
DaemonFC | I just paid them $93 yesterday | May 21 16:12 |
DaemonFC | they better fucking not have gotten any funny ideas | May 21 16:12 |
schestowitz | BBC Wants to Build Another Windows Botnet < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/21/the-msbbc-wants-windows-botnets/ > | May 21 16:13 |
Balrog_ | works 100 % well here | May 21 16:13 |
DaemonFC | it's ComCrap | May 21 16:13 |
DaemonFC | every other site works fine | May 21 16:13 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: get it up for YouTube. | May 21 16:13 |
schestowitz | I can do the Ogg | May 21 16:14 |
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DaemonFC | Today we're calling it the BBC Botnet Variety Show, tommorrow we'll call it "Why Daddy Went To Prison" | May 21 16:19 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 21 16:20 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I take it the BBC is more or less like PBS? | May 21 16:20 |
DaemonFC | public broadcasting exterior with a crunchy corporate lobbyist filling? | May 21 16:21 |
DaemonFC | "This episode of 'Onwards Christian American Soldier' is brought to you by........Walmart'" :P | May 21 16:23 |
schestowitz | I don't know PBS well | May 21 16:27 |
schestowitz | I saw some shows on it and Cringely was on it. | May 21 16:27 |
DaemonFC | Cringely is several people actually | May 21 16:27 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: watch this: George Carlin - We Like War < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDkhzHQO7jY&NR=1 > | May 21 16:28 |
DaemonFC | if it'll load | May 21 16:29 |
DaemonFC | I'll be damned | May 21 16:29 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 21 16:29 |
schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137431/spam-world-christian-message "Benedict XVI thinks it is a nifty idea for the yoof of today to spam others with Christian messages." | May 21 16:34 |
DaemonFC | yeah, I got some of those | May 21 16:37 |
DaemonFC | actually | May 21 16:37 |
DaemonFC | sent an obscene message with a CC to the other 500 little shits | May 21 16:37 |
schestowitz | NetApp to buy Data Domain in $1.5 billion deal http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-technology/netapp-to-buy-data-domain-in-15-billion-deal-20090521-bfz2.html | May 21 16:37 |
DaemonFC | and got back a reply from someone's mom saying she's press charges | May 21 16:37 |
schestowitz | Just tell em politely to peace the * out | May 21 16:37 |
DaemonFC | I told her that I was going to go and risk it and commit a federal felong in telling her to get laid and to stop fucking bothering me | May 21 16:38 |
DaemonFC | *felony | May 21 16:38 |
schestowitz | Fei long | May 21 16:38 |
DaemonFC | well, it's not a crime to send someone an obscene email if there aren't any threats | May 21 16:39 |
DaemonFC | right? | May 21 16:39 |
DaemonFC | I'm usually not in the business of sending them | May 21 16:39 |
DaemonFC | but when someone sends me 500 chain spams for Jesus | May 21 16:39 |
DaemonFC | I get kind of angry | May 21 16:39 |
DaemonFC | it was an @aol email | May 21 16:40 |
DaemonFC | she said she was a sheriff's deputy | May 21 16:40 |
DaemonFC | so I referred to her as Deputy Dipshit | May 21 16:40 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 16:40 |
schestowitz | Haha | May 21 16:41 |
schestowitz | Be careful | May 21 16:41 |
DaemonFC | meh | May 21 16:41 |
DaemonFC | she doesn't have any jurisdiction here | May 21 16:41 |
DaemonFC | and even if she did, I doubt calling someone a bad word is a crime | May 21 16:42 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 16:42 |
DaemonFC | you hear Craigslist is suing the SOuth Carolina Attorney General | May 21 16:42 |
DaemonFC | hope they win | May 21 16:42 |
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schestowitz | Websites 'keeping deleted photos' < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8060407.stm > | May 21 16:45 |
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schestowitz | Yahoo!, Google, Microsoft still hiring in India < http://www.mydigitalfc.com/jobs/yahoo-google-microsoft-still-hiring-india-610 > | May 21 16:47 |
the_mad_hatter | Roy, I mentioned last week my issues with Evolution being integrated into the gnome desktop | May 21 16:47 |
schestowitz | I nver used Evolution much | May 21 16:48 |
the_mad_hatter | Ubuntu Forums Thread | May 21 16:48 |
the_mad_hatter | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7284290#post7284290 | May 21 16:48 |
the_mad_hatter | Groklaw Thread | May 21 16:48 |
the_mad_hatter | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20090520173819315&title=Yes%2C+we+know+that+removing+Mono+is+easy%2C+what+about+Evolution%3F&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=757643#c757706 | May 21 16:48 |
schestowitz | It feels like Novel building Microsoft Windows | May 21 16:48 |
the_mad_hatter | Yes, and that's why I want it out of Gnome. | May 21 16:48 |
schestowitz | Mono, Evolution, OOXML, etc. | May 21 16:48 |
_boo_ | what's wrong with evolution? | May 21 16:49 |
the_mad_hatter | Read the Groklaw post, best explanation is there. | May 21 16:49 |
the_mad_hatter | It's hard to do a good write up in IRC I find <G>. | May 21 16:49 |
|Grommet| | lol | May 21 16:50 |
the_mad_hatter | And of course the additional issue is that it's a Novell backed project, and I don't trust Novell. | May 21 16:50 |
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the_mad_hatter | So until it's removed from Gnome, I'm going to another desktop. | May 21 16:51 |
Grommet | this channel makes me feel like my computer is looking at me :/ | May 21 16:51 |
the_mad_hatter | Mine is - it has a camera <G> | May 21 16:51 |
schestowitz | "In fact from a development point of view it sounds like what Microsoft does with Internet Exploder..." | May 21 16:52 |
Grommet | heh | May 21 16:52 |
the_mad_hatter | Yes. Exactly. | May 21 16:52 |
schestowitz | Grommet: HP is the one spying on journos | May 21 16:53 |
Grommet | I odn't have an HP | May 21 16:54 |
the_mad_hatter | Good old HP. The CEO knew about it to, and he didn't get canned. | May 21 16:54 |
Grommet | so that part is safe | May 21 16:54 |
Grommet | but I do use suse | May 21 16:54 |
Grommet | so... that feels iffy | May 21 16:54 |
the_mad_hatter | Yeah, SUSE is iffy since Novell bought them. If you check Distrowatch, the SUSE market share has been dropping since the deal. | May 21 16:55 |
Grommet | I been using it forever | May 21 16:55 |
MinceR | suse sucked beforehand. :P | May 21 16:55 |
the_mad_hatter | Novell must be feeling the pinch. As must Xandros, their market share is also dropping. | May 21 16:55 |
Grommet | haha it was better back in the 6.x days | May 21 16:56 |
the_mad_hatter | Even buying Linspire didn't help. | May 21 16:56 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/microsoft-pays-yes-men-to-spread-more-fud-about-firefox-chrome-and-opera/#comment-853 | May 21 16:56 |
DaemonFC | InJoy! | May 21 16:56 |
DaemonFC | ;) | May 21 16:56 |
the_mad_hatter | Yeah, well I won't use or recommend any distro which signs a patent deal with MS, and most people I know won't either. Signing a patent deal with MS is suicide. | May 21 16:57 |
the_mad_hatter | Anyway, gotta run, see you later. | May 21 16:57 |
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Grommet | hmm | May 21 17:16 |
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Balrog_ | <http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ubuntu-linux-guide,2293.html> | May 21 17:46 |
Balrog_ | "Desktop Linux For The Windows Power User" | May 21 17:46 |
DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/why-inprivate-is-no-excuse-for-ies-indecent-behavior/ | May 21 17:49 |
DaemonFC | "There’s just historically never been much of a need for an InPrivate-style idiot button when Mozilla has done so much more and so much better." | May 21 17:51 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 21 17:51 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: Microsof t-- disrespects your privacy by default. | May 21 18:01 |
schestowitz | Balrog_: nothing to do w/ Power Users | May 21 18:02 |
DaemonFC | how the hell could Microsoft be hit by Conficker> | May 21 18:05 |
DaemonFC | don't they use Server Core? | May 21 18:05 |
DaemonFC | that doesn't even have most of the stuff that viruses hijack | May 21 18:05 |
schestowitz | URL? | May 21 18:08 |
schestowitz | The ones I gave? | May 21 18:08 |
tacone | schestowitz: that ODF article you did is dynamite | May 21 18:09 |
_boo_ | DaemonFC, things that conficker uses servers use for sure | May 21 18:09 |
Grommet | anyone got a URL for conficker hitting microsoft? | May 21 18:10 |
_boo_ | lol | May 21 18:10 |
_boo_ | is there such url? | May 21 18:10 |
_boo_ | if yes, then wtf... | May 21 18:10 |
_boo_ | http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/11803_3813026_1 | May 21 18:11 |
_boo_ | conficker hitted almost everything | May 21 18:11 |
DaemonFC | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/05/01/download_crash_windows/ | May 21 18:11 |
_boo_ | plenty of links ova the internets | May 21 18:11 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz | May 21 18:11 |
DaemonFC | you don't suppose Micrsoft pulled the plug | May 21 18:11 |
DaemonFC | and then blamed user response? | May 21 18:12 |
DaemonFC | lol | May 21 18:12 |
_boo_ | why not | May 21 18:13 |
_boo_ | m$ is not capable of reliability | May 21 18:14 |
_boo_ | their only power is users' fear | May 21 18:15 |
_boo_ | and fear can't last always | May 21 18:15 |
DaemonFC | I still don't know how Conficker could spread through any properly secured system | May 21 18:16 |
_boo_ | lol | May 21 18:17 |
DaemonFC | the holes it exploits were fixed LAST YEAR | May 21 18:17 |
_boo_ | properly secured... | May 21 18:17 |
DaemonFC | the holes it exploits were fixed LAST YEAR!!!! | May 21 18:17 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 18:17 |
DaemonFC | who goes for a year without updates? | May 21 18:17 |
DaemonFC | pirate copie | May 21 18:17 |
_boo_ | m$ was always cracked by someone, no? | May 21 18:17 |
DaemonFC | *pirate copies | May 21 18:17 |
DaemonFC | well, as long as the virus hasn't been updatred, it still targets long-patched vulnerabilities | May 21 18:17 |
_boo_ | waht? | May 21 18:18 |
_boo_ | viruses even hit zero-day vulnerabilities | May 21 18:18 |
_boo_ | so wtf dude | May 21 18:19 |
_boo_ | conficker was even fixed for md6 fixup | May 21 18:20 |
_boo_ | XD | May 21 18:20 |
DaemonFC | why don't they use Conficker for anything? | May 21 18:22 |
DaemonFC | it's been a long time | May 21 18:22 |
_boo_ | conficker is just a proof of concept | May 21 18:23 |
_boo_ | that m$ costs 0 | May 21 18:23 |
_boo_ | several other viruses | May 21 18:24 |
_boo_ | and m$' cost is negative | May 21 18:24 |
_boo_ | even though they are proof of concept | May 21 18:24 |
schestowitz | tacone: thanks | May 21 18:25 |
_boo_ | if only conficker did anything | May 21 18:25 |
_boo_ | m$ will lose its marketshare much better | May 21 18:26 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, the Vista7 demand is fake | May 21 18:26 |
schestowitz | Artificial scarcity creates demand and hype | May 21 18:26 |
schestowitz | Tell me when WIndows Update runs out of capacity :-) | May 21 18:26 |
DaemonFC | yeah "We're only letting 100,000 people download it" for the first beta | May 21 18:26 |
_boo_ | waht? | May 21 18:27 |
schestowitz | "Who wants to be a (guinea ) pig? Me, me, ME!!" | May 21 18:27 |
_boo_ | i suspect that m$ is paying the internet bills | May 21 18:27 |
schestowitz | Internet Bills? | May 21 18:28 |
_boo_ | don't they host some provider for m$? | May 21 18:28 |
schestowitz | "The Internet? We are not interested in it." --ill Gates, 1993 | May 21 18:28 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | May 21 18:28 |
schestowitz | Funny typo | May 21 18:28 |
_boo_ | doesn't matter | May 21 18:28 |
schestowitz | Ill Gates | May 21 18:28 |
DaemonFC | http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Man_Punches_Chuck_E_Cheese_During_Kiddie_Attack?FC=PRCK1 | May 21 18:28 |
DaemonFC | rofl | May 21 18:28 |
_boo_ | 'cause you can't trust anybody from m$ | May 21 18:28 |
_boo_ | they talk 1 way and do the other | May 21 18:28 |
_boo_ | kiddie attack lol | May 21 18:29 |
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balzac | get a load of this | May 21 18:35 |
balzac | Buy Adobe CS4 Legally - www.Adobe.com - Keygens & Cracks Can Harm Your CPU Discounts for Students, 80% Off! | May 21 18:35 |
balzac | That ad was shown in my gmail | May 21 18:36 |
balzac | and it linked directly here: http://tryit.adobe.com/us/student/ap/?sdid=ELCIQ | May 21 18:36 |
DaemonFC | harm your CPU? | May 21 18:36 |
DaemonFC | uhhhhm no? | May 21 18:36 |
balzac | verbatim | May 21 18:36 |
DaemonFC | they can have viruses | May 21 18:36 |
DaemonFC | why didn't they just say that? | May 21 18:36 |
balzac | maybe because your typical windows user already has virii, and mac users aren't worried | May 21 18:37 |
DaemonFC | and who needs Photoshop? | May 21 18:37 |
DaemonFC | Windows Paint is enough for most of the people that pirate Photosho | May 21 18:37 |
DaemonFC | I think they just do it cause they can | May 21 18:37 |
balzac | gimp | May 21 18:37 |
DaemonFC | Photoshop | May 21 18:37 |
balzac | windows paint is doo doo | May 21 18:37 |
schestowitz | GIMP FTW | May 21 18:37 |
*DaemonFC hates Gimp | May 21 18:37 | |
schestowitz | WOT?? | May 21 18:37 |
schestowitz | Who can hate the GIMP? | May 21 18:37 |
balzac | i use it every day | May 21 18:37 |
schestowitz | It's cute | May 21 18:37 |
schestowitz | It's like a pet | May 21 18:38 |
schestowitz | Like Firefox | May 21 18:38 |
DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimpshop | May 21 18:38 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 21 18:38 |
DaemonFC | unfortunately it's not as up to date as it could be :P | May 21 18:39 |
DaemonFC | if the Gimp could do what a $2,000 piece of software could | May 21 18:40 |
DaemonFC | I'm sure everyone would be using it | May 21 18:40 |
tacone | they had a big break in the development | May 21 18:41 |
tacone | a years break | May 21 18:41 |
tacone | going offline. bye | May 21 18:42 |
DaemonFC | Photoshop has some really nasty copy protection | May 21 18:42 |
DaemonFC | if you botch the crack it can render your copy of Windows inoperable | May 21 18:43 |
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DaemonFC | I should send some money to support Demonoid | May 21 18:44 |
DaemonFC | they have a great site and I don't like leeching | May 21 18:44 |
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schestowitz | Job losses hit C&W profits < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/21/cable_wireless/ > | May 21 18:47 |
schestowitz | zoobab01: did you see this? Microsoft loses $200m in Texas Hold 'em up patent suit < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/21/microsoft_word_patent_damages/ > | May 21 18:50 |
schestowitz | CSC freezes UK pay < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/05/21/csc_pay_freeze/ > | May 21 18:51 |
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schestowitz | Link #1: tacone's Mono crusade: http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/?p=1457 | May 21 18:53 |
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schestowitz | Veoh Investors Vindicated < http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=106044 > | May 21 18:55 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: did you pay em? | May 21 18:55 |
schestowitz | Last Chance For The Old Recording Industry... But Plenty Of Excitement In The New Music Industry < http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090519/0213544923.shtml > | May 21 18:55 |
DaemonFC | ? | May 21 18:55 |
DaemonFC | nah | May 21 18:55 |
DaemonFC | I'll have to see about getting more money on that card | May 21 18:55 |
DaemonFC | I don't fork over my credit card online | May 21 18:56 |
DaemonFC | ever\ | May 21 18:56 |
schestowitz | Satellites Take on Crime Busting Along the Border < http://www.usnews.com/articles/science/2009/05/18/satellites-take-on-crime-busting-along-the-border.html > | May 21 18:57 |
amarsh04 | last CD I ordered on-line, the composer's wife mailed the disk to me | May 21 18:57 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: we moved to economy where payments are different | May 21 18:57 |
schestowitz | earlier: <schestowitz> Link #1: tacone's Mono crusade: http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/?p=1457 | May 21 18:58 |
tacone | What's that ? | May 21 18:58 |
schestowitz | nice new site | May 21 18:59 |
tacone | Uh guess I saw that. Nice | May 21 18:59 |
schestowitz | http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-05-19-newjobs_N.htm?csp=34 Several Bush officials work in areas related to former jobs | May 21 18:59 |
DaemonFC | I don't trust the chain if you get me | May 21 18:59 |
schestowitz | This guy sometimes links to BN and he's a good source for MAFIAA headlines | May 21 18:59 |
DaemonFC | there's too many things that could be compromised | May 21 18:59 |
DaemonFC | When you send your credit card info, you really have no idea who gets it on the other end or what they'll do, or if there's someone that intercepts it at some point | May 21 19:00 |
schestowitz | Dan Aykroyd says 'Ghostbusters 3' may start filming in winter < http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2009/05/dan-aykroyd-says-ghostbusters-3-may-start-filming-in-winter.html > That ought to get the Americans in more of a mood for wars and heroes | May 21 19:00 |
DaemonFC | yeah, all of us | May 21 19:01 |
DaemonFC | cause we all approved of this | May 21 19:01 |
DaemonFC | every one | May 21 19:01 |
schestowitz | I was like 7 when the first one was out | May 21 19:01 |
DaemonFC | we had a consensus vote | May 21 19:01 |
schestowitz | I was afraid of the ghosts in the film ;-: | May 21 19:01 |
DaemonFC | and all 305 million Americans | May 21 19:01 |
DaemonFC | and the 40 million illegal immigrants | May 21 19:01 |
DaemonFC | all agreed | May 21 19:01 |
schestowitz | Yes, credit cards get abused | May 21 19:01 |
schestowitz | paying some trusted companies might work sometimes | May 21 19:02 |
schestowitz | When they offshore stuff that too becomes an issue | May 21 19:02 |
schestowitz | Decreased trust | May 21 19:02 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: The self checkouts at Walmart | May 21 19:02 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: how many people in the US...? | May 21 19:02 |
DaemonFC | use Windows XP Embedded | May 21 19:02 |
schestowitz | (Real number) | May 21 19:02 |
DaemonFC | about 350-370 million | May 21 19:02 |
schestowitz | OK | May 21 19:02 |
DaemonFC | if you count illegal immigrants | May 21 19:02 |
Balrog_ | Apple's checkout system is only now being switched from Windows Mobile devices | May 21 19:02 |
DaemonFC | perhaps 305 million without them | May 21 19:03 |
schestowitz | Walmart is a MS partner | May 21 19:03 |
schestowitz | Just watch the staff | May 21 19:03 |
schestowitz | They intersect | May 21 19:03 |
DaemonFC | it's become such a problem that nobody will ever be able to come up with an answer that doesn't infuriate millions of people | May 21 19:03 |
DaemonFC | but the rich just use them as cheap day loborers with no rights | May 21 19:03 |
schestowitz | I'm sure the big execs there still meet in the secret elite meetings on occasions | May 21 19:03 |
DaemonFC | and if it gets to be too much trouble, they call immigration | May 21 19:03 |
DaemonFC | and I get to pay to cart them back to Mexico | May 21 19:03 |
DaemonFC | *laborers | May 21 19:04 |
schestowitz | Yes | May 21 19:04 |
schestowitz | Lauandry too | May 21 19:04 |
schestowitz | Some come via Canda | May 21 19:04 |
schestowitz | *Canada | May 21 19:04 |
DaemonFC | those immigration "raids", I'm convinced are not raids | May 21 19:04 |
DaemonFC | the workers were becoming obstinate and were "dealt with" | May 21 19:04 |
schestowitz | So I hear anyway. It's probably covered very scarcely in the media... gives people IDEAS... | May 21 19:04 |
schestowitz | They are all focused on Mexico | May 21 19:05 |
schestowitz | With my passport I can be in the States for a long time | May 21 19:05 |
schestowitz | But now there's hardly a point | May 21 19:05 |
DaemonFC | now you need a passport to go to Canada | May 21 19:05 |
DaemonFC | you didn't used to | May 21 19:05 |
schestowitz | OK | May 21 19:05 |
schestowitz | With NAFTA and all.... | May 21 19:05 |
DaemonFC | but there's spotes where you can drive across a 4 foot median | May 21 19:05 |
schestowitz | Are borders opening up? | May 21 19:05 |
DaemonFC | and that's that | May 21 19:05 |
DaemonFC | so there's a formality | May 21 19:06 |
DaemonFC | no real enforcement | May 21 19:06 |
schestowitz | As longer as they're GoodXians :-) | May 21 19:06 |
DaemonFC | Mexico border is different | May 21 19:06 |
DaemonFC | they set up huge barricades, not to keep illegals out | May 21 19:06 |
DaemonFC | they only set those up where the big drug smuggling routes into the US are | May 21 19:06 |
DaemonFC | I say we should put up a minefield | May 21 19:07 |
DaemonFC | and make a 2 mile long buffer zone | May 21 19:07 |
DaemonFC | but that's me | May 21 19:07 |
schestowitz | Linux patches: | May 21 19:07 |
schestowitz | Company Name # Changes % of Total | May 21 19:07 |
schestowitz | Redhat 9,351 11.2% | May 21 19:07 |
schestowitz | Novell 7,385 8.9% | May 21 19:07 |
schestowitz | IBM 6,952 8.3% | May 21 19:07 |
schestowitz | Intel 3,388 4.1% | May 21 19:07 |
schestowitz | Google 965 1.1% | May 21 19:07 |
DaemonFC | err, 2 mile wide that is | May 21 19:07 |
schestowitz | I did't know Google did this much | May 21 19:07 |
DaemonFC | 2,700 miles long | May 21 19:07 |
schestowitz | Maybe cause of Android | May 21 19:07 |
DaemonFC | yeah | May 21 19:07 |
DaemonFC | Google gives 11 patches to Linux | May 21 19:08 |
DaemonFC | for every 1 from Ubuntu | May 21 19:08 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 19:08 |
schestowitz | Hehe | May 21 19:08 |
DaemonFC | sad huh?: | May 21 19:08 |
schestowitz | Linux=kernel space | May 21 19:08 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu does other things | May 21 19:08 |
DaemonFC | Nvidia gives 3 patches to Linux for every 1 from Ubuntu | May 21 19:08 |
schestowitz | Greg K-H still FUDs em | May 21 19:08 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 21 19:08 |
DaemonFC | it's not FUD | May 21 19:08 |
schestowitz | NVIdia is a BIG company | May 21 19:08 |
schestowitz | No comparison | May 21 19:08 |
DaemonFC | they are worthless to all the parent projects | May 21 19:08 |
DaemonFC | he illustrated that quite well | May 21 19:09 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu is just trying to keep up with patches | May 21 19:09 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu could drop off the map and maybe, maybe 0.001% of all Linux-related dev work would go with them | May 21 19:09 |
DaemonFC | they are parasites\ | May 21 19:09 |
DaemonFC | they essentially just make forks of the parent projects, and backport that projects later patches on an as-needed basis | May 21 19:10 |
DaemonFC | throw in 1 patch of their own sometimes | May 21 19:10 |
DaemonFC | and that's Ubuntu | May 21 19:10 |
DaemonFC | They actually had their biggest contribution ever so far in one single release in Linux 2.6.30 | May 21 19:11 |
balzac | DaemonFC: you're wrong dude | May 21 19:11 |
DaemonFC | I know I saw at least a full dozen patches fly past | May 21 19:11 |
DaemonFC | out of several thousand | May 21 19:11 |
DaemonFC | I've watched how Ubuntu operates | May 21 19:11 |
DaemonFC | they only have their own GIT repo as a convenient place to stage patches from the real project | May 21 19:11 |
schestowitz | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/888781ab48593b92/f8f9d7772e5b3de1 | May 21 19:12 |
balzac | It's like saying that some publisher who syndicates your RSS feed is a parasite | May 21 19:12 |
DaemonFC | they never really do a lot of their own work | May 21 19:12 |
schestowitz | balzac: good analogy | May 21 19:12 |
schestowitz | Or Google the parasite | May 21 19:12 |
schestowitz | For indexing news | May 21 19:12 |
schestowitz | And giving them customers | May 21 19:12 |
schestowitz | Like Ubuntu brings users to Linux | May 21 19:12 |
DaemonFC | I liked how Greg KH put it really "Mandriva has no people, no money, and still gave 287 patches in this time frame, Ubuntu gave 100" | May 21 19:13 |
schestowitz | There's this joke that says, aren't reporters parasites writing about people's life stories for profit? | May 21 19:13 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu is little better than Mac OS X | May 21 19:13 |
DaemonFC | from the point of take to give ratio | May 21 19:13 |
schestowitz | FUD, DaemonFC | May 21 19:13 |
balzac | that's saying a lot | May 21 19:13 |
DaemonFC | I think Apple really does more than Ubuntu | May 21 19:14 |
DaemonFC | in free software work | May 21 19:14 |
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balzac | A little better than OSX in terms of usability | May 21 19:14 |
balzac | actually, a lot better | May 21 19:14 |
DaemonFC | especially in X.org | May 21 19:14 |
balzac | DaemonFC: what's your distro? | May 21 19:14 |
DaemonFC | Apple also turned KHTML into something humans want to use | May 21 19:14 |
DaemonFC | you can see how thrilled KDE is with that | May 21 19:15 |
balzac | what's your browser? | May 21 19:15 |
DaemonFC | they still use their own | May 21 19:15 |
balzac | heck - what's your profession? | May 21 19:15 |
MinceR | KHTML started as something humans want to use | May 21 19:15 |
balzac | I'm grilling you for lack of patriotism about GPL-licensed projects | May 21 19:15 |
schestowitz | http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/956_signs.jpg | May 21 19:15 |
DaemonFC | it's patriotic to not ask questions | May 21 19:15 |
DaemonFC | who made you Fox News? | May 21 19:15 |
balzac | DaemonFC: that was a joke | May 21 19:16 |
balzac | but the questions are sincere | May 21 19:16 |
balzac | what distro? | May 21 19:16 |
schestowitz | He uses Vista | May 21 19:16 |
balzac | come on, spill it | May 21 19:16 |
schestowitz | But not a shill | May 21 19:16 |
schestowitz | Just a poser | May 21 19:16 |
DaemonFC | thanks | May 21 19:16 |
DaemonFC | lol | May 21 19:16 |
balzac | he can't be using vista7 | May 21 19:17 |
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_Hicham_ | Hi All! | May 21 19:17 |
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balzac | DaemonFC ran away | May 21 19:18 |
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balzac | DaemonFC: information | May 21 19:19 |
balzac | I want information. | May 21 19:19 |
_Hicham_ | information about what? | May 21 19:19 |
schestowitz | YouTube Upload Rate Reaches 20 Hours/Minute < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/05/21/youtube-upload-rate-reaches-20-hoursminute > | May 21 19:19 |
balzac | I don't have long to wait, because I have work to do. | May 21 19:19 |
balzac | _Hicham_: I want to know what distro and what browser he uses | May 21 19:20 |
balzac | and for what kind of work | May 21 19:20 |
schestowitz | Got a cell-phone? FCC claims the right to search your house < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/20/got-a-cell-phon-fcc.html > | May 21 19:20 |
*schestowitz a proud 'misowner' of a cellphone | May 21 19:21 | |
balzac | I will kick in the door of the FCC's office | May 21 19:21 |
DaemonFC | this XUL style isn't working right | May 21 19:21 |
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_Hicham_ | DaemonFC is a real troll boy | May 21 19:21 |
schestowitz | I've already figured out how I want to pronounce FCC | May 21 19:21 |
schestowitz | Kind of like with GNU.. | May 21 19:21 |
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_Hicham_ | FCC and DaemonFC | May 21 19:22 |
schestowitz | Fight terrorism by arresting terrorists, not by looking at our genitals at airports < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/20/fight-terrorism-by-a.html > | May 21 19:22 |
schestowitz | FCC DaemonFC | May 21 19:22 |
balzac | "don't touch my junk" | May 21 19:23 |
_Hicham_ | not only genitals schestowitz | May 21 19:23 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: what else? | May 21 19:23 |
_Hicham_ | also the asses | May 21 19:23 |
schestowitz | Well, they must check too | May 21 19:23 |
_Hicham_ | a guy was practically fucked in LA airport | May 21 19:23 |
schestowitz | Maybe the passenger swallowed bags of cocao (cocaine) | May 21 19:23 |
_Hicham_ | they put a tiny cam is his ass | May 21 19:23 |
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_Hicham_ | so he was fucked by a cam | May 21 19:24 |
schestowitz | LOL | May 21 19:24 |
ReverseGTR | schestowitz: is _boo_ a regular? | May 21 19:24 |
schestowitz | He nymshifts | May 21 19:24 |
schestowitz | Keeps getting banned from channels | May 21 19:24 |
_Hicham_ | conclusion : never land in LA | May 21 19:24 |
ReverseGTR | schestowitz: oh I wonder why | May 21 19:25 |
schestowitz | We keep him here because we don't believe in censorship | May 21 19:25 |
schestowitz | I know hy | May 21 19:25 |
schestowitz | *why | May 21 19:25 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz is a great freedom activist | May 21 19:25 |
balzac | _Hicham_: really? | May 21 19:25 |
_Hicham_ | balzac : really about what? | May 21 19:25 |
balzac | He got fucked by a dildo-cam | May 21 19:25 |
ReverseGTR | anyway what is going on in M$ SNAFU land? | May 21 19:25 |
balzac | jesus christ | May 21 19:25 |
_Hicham_ | yes | May 21 19:25 |
_Hicham_ | I ve read that in a newspaper | May 21 19:25 |
schestowitz | Report: Attackers exploit IIS hole to breach university server < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10245815-83.html > | May 21 19:25 |
balzac | that's really obscene | May 21 19:26 |
schestowitz | Wow. IIS | May 21 19:26 |
schestowitz | The Wow Starts Now. Rebooting system... we got a Trojan! | May 21 19:26 |
_Hicham_ | IIS is great schestowitz | May 21 19:26 |
_Hicham_ | you should use | May 21 19:26 |
schestowitz | What for? | May 21 19:26 |
_Hicham_ | it is gonna be ported by the mono project soon | May 21 19:26 |
schestowitz | Honeypots? | May 21 19:26 |
schestowitz | Mono will make a 'cheap IIS' | May 21 19:26 |
schestowitz | And then mock Apache | May 21 19:26 |
schestowitz | Look MONOSP.NET on Moonpache | May 21 19:27 |
_Hicham_ | boycottnovell powered by Novell | May 21 19:27 |
schestowitz | Something with N's and M's | May 21 19:27 |
_Hicham_ | best slogan I ve ever seen | May 21 19:27 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: yeah, we joked about it | May 21 19:27 |
schestowitz | What if we moved to a SLES server | May 21 19:27 |
_Hicham_ | that would be really cool | May 21 19:27 |
_Hicham_ | seriously | May 21 19:27 |
_Hicham_ | that would prove one point | May 21 19:27 |
schestowitz | Nope | May 21 19:28 |
schestowitz | It's funny at first | May 21 19:28 |
schestowitz | But not good for the site | May 21 19:28 |
schestowitz | Like ASP-powerd Linux sites | May 21 19:28 |
schestowitz | The shills made fun of LinuxWorld running on Winders | May 21 19:28 |
schestowitz | BUT | May 21 19:28 |
ReverseGTR | schestowitz: did you hear that Nvidia's CEO is raising a ruccus on Intel for selling their Atom chipsets at a much cheaper price then standalone as it woud be with the Ion platform? | May 21 19:28 |
schestowitz | It's frigging IDG | May 21 19:28 |
schestowitz | Of course they are in the Microsoft pockets | May 21 19:28 |
schestowitz | LinuxWorls was never about Linux | May 21 19:28 |
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schestowitz | It's about IDG looking to make cash | May 21 19:28 |
schestowitz | And boosting MS with studies (IDC) | May 21 19:29 |
ReverseGTR | LinuxWorld is about mocking Linux | May 21 19:29 |
schestowitz | It's not a real site | May 21 19:29 |
schestowitz | They just toss IDG News/World Service articles getting tossed in there if it's FOSS-related | May 21 19:29 |
schestowitz | IDG has many sites | May 21 19:29 |
schestowitz | Lots of overlap between them | May 21 19:30 |
schestowitz | By theme | May 21 19:30 |
schestowitz | ReverseGTR: any link? | May 21 19:30 |
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schestowitz | If an article is about Microsoft, Networks and Linux, then IDG sends it to PCWorld, LinuxWorld, and NetworkWorld | May 21 19:30 |
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ReverseGTR | @schestowitz: sorry I didn't get to read your last message because I was running this AROS emulation through Qemu, and it crashed | May 21 19:31 |
schestowitz | U.S. National Archives offers reward for missing hard drive < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10246004-83.html > | May 21 19:31 |
schestowitz | <schestowitz> If an article is about Microsoft, Networks and Linux, then IDG sends it to PCWorld, LinuxWorld, and NetworkWorld | May 21 19:31 |
DaemonFC | but I've been wondering that for 8 years now | May 21 19:31 |
balzac | DaemonFC: what's your distro? | May 21 19:32 |
schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137416/gps-threatened-satellite-failures (GPS system threatened by satellite failures ) | May 21 19:32 |
balzac | Is that an uncomfortable question? | May 21 19:32 |
schestowitz | He has Mandriva somewhere | May 21 19:32 |
schestowitz | But he likes ranting about Linux | May 21 19:32 |
schestowitz | Not booting much into it | May 21 19:32 |
balzac | odd | May 21 19:32 |
ReverseGTR | @schestowitz: whats the European initiative for a GPS like system called? | May 21 19:33 |
balzac | wasn't he really bent out of shape about Bill Gates not long ago? | May 21 19:33 |
schestowitz | FBI Use of Patriot Act Authority Increased Dramatically in 2008 < http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/fbi-use-of-patriot-act-authority-increased-dramatically-in-2008/ > | May 21 19:33 |
DaemonFC | Mandriva on other partition currently, I could have used Ext3 and given Windows access to is | May 21 19:33 |
ReverseGTR | and I think the Chinese are also planning to launch their own | May 21 19:33 |
DaemonFC | but then anything that infects Windows could damage that partition too | May 21 19:33 |
schestowitz | ReverseGTR: is there one? | May 21 19:33 |
schestowitz | They want ICANN-like control now | May 21 19:33 |
balzac | DaemonFC: are you using windows right now? | May 21 19:33 |
schestowitz | CHina could fork out too | May 21 19:33 |
schestowitz | So massive | May 21 19:33 |
schestowitz | And they have their own stds and patents | May 21 19:34 |
ReverseGTR | @schestowitz: great China wants to create even more of a giant AOHell | May 21 19:34 |
schestowitz | ReverseGTR: heh | May 21 19:34 |
schestowitz | Beat me to it | May 21 19:34 |
schestowitz | Just caught your remark on China | May 21 19:34 |
schestowitz | So yes, I was going to bring up China independently | May 21 19:34 |
schestowitz | They have some plans to be independent | May 21 19:34 |
schestowitz | Next superpower and all | May 21 19:34 |
schestowitz | They can't depend on USian Net and patents | May 21 19:35 |
schestowitz | Also, Google thought about Dark Web | May 21 19:35 |
schestowitz | Back in the days. Some Cringely speculations about it can be reminisced. | May 21 19:35 |
balzac | Is DaemonFC usually like this? | May 21 19:35 |
schestowitz | balzac: yes, he annoys some people here | May 21 19:35 |
balzac | Not very conversational | May 21 19:35 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: less Windows talk | May 21 19:35 |
balzac | well, I'm curious for other reasons | May 21 19:35 |
schestowitz | WHy? | May 21 19:36 |
balzac | I don't care if someone is annoying | May 21 19:36 |
schestowitz | He got kicked the first day he came here | May 21 19:36 |
schestowitz | But later he didn't behave too badly | May 21 19:36 |
schestowitz | :=_ | May 21 19:36 |
DaemonFC | Cringely is more than one person | May 21 19:36 |
DaemonFC | it's just a pen name | May 21 19:36 |
schestowitz | Not the real one | May 21 19:36 |
balzac | Well, you never know if you're talking to some angsty teen, or a weasel from a Microsoft-sponsored "reputation management" agency | May 21 19:36 |
schestowitz | Mark is the real one | May 21 19:36 |
ReverseGTR | @schestowitz: stop the presses M$ actually lost a patent case in the US: http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE54J72V20090520 | May 21 19:37 |
schestowitz | Yes, old to me.. | May 21 19:37 |
schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1137423/microsoft-guilty-patent-infringement http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i3kPIjCUTixWVMkOTpPSwO-4NtTQ | May 21 19:37 |
DaemonFC | Uniloc | May 21 19:37 |
schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/05/21/microsoft-hit-with-patent-infringement http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/21/microsoft_word_patent_damages/ | May 21 19:37 |
schestowitz | Amond more | May 21 19:37 |
schestowitz | *mong | May 21 19:38 |
balzac | Roy, I began to wonder because some participants here seemed to all about creating heat, but not shedding light. | May 21 19:38 |
schestowitz | There was a seattle dude | May 21 19:38 |
schestowitz | Came here to promote Windows and all | May 21 19:38 |
schestowitz | [H]omer wanted to ban him | May 21 19:38 |
schestowitz | Buzz marketing it's called | May 21 19:38 |
balzac | Two guys said something violent about Microsoft execs, and I immediately wondered if they were provocateurs whose purpose was to undermine the credibility of your work. | May 21 19:38 |
balzac | that's just how my "pragmatic paranoia" works | May 21 19:39 |
schestowitz | Commentary: Whole-body imaging invades privacy < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/19/chaffetz.iraq/index.html > Well, rectal examination invades... well... | May 21 19:39 |
schestowitz | balzac: what violent thing? | May 21 19:39 |
schestowitz | Some people use "twitter" (the Slashdot user) to vilify this site | May 21 19:40 |
schestowitz | Having viciously attacked him in a groupwise fashion in /. | May 21 19:40 |
schestowitz | A lot of people on the Net attack critics of MS | May 21 19:40 |
schestowitz | PJ too | May 21 19:40 |
schestowitz | Let me show you something new | May 21 19:40 |
balzac | yeah, well they haven't said anything like that since I called them out on it | May 21 19:40 |
schestowitz | http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2009/05/lundork.html | May 21 19:40 |
schestowitz | Beebe Attacks PJ... (just a warning) | May 21 19:41 |
balzac | but I even left a political forum because someone was making cartoons about illegal violence towards Bush and Cheney | May 21 19:41 |
schestowitz | She says: "hahahaha | May 21 19:41 |
schestowitz | Then need some new material. Is there a real Beebe or it is, as it | May 21 19:41 |
schestowitz | sounds, another nym for Dan Lyons? Do you know?" | May 21 19:41 |
balzac | I draw a fat clear line when people mention violence | May 21 19:41 |
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schestowitz | Who made threats? | May 21 19:41 |
schestowitz | balzac: where? | May 21 19:41 |
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balzac | Every time I wrote of capital punishment for Bush, it was hanging after due process of law | May 21 19:42 |
balzac | I never mentioned any illegal violence | May 21 19:42 |
schestowitz | I know MinceR joking used his "die in a fire" phrase a few times, but that's more of a stand-up comedy thing in my eyes | May 21 19:42 |
balzac | so I left a forum over it | May 21 19:42 |
balzac | well, they have apparently understood the seriousness of it | May 21 19:42 |
schestowitz | A lot of people say that Dick and George need waterbaording | May 21 19:43 |
schestowitz | it's not violence | May 21 19:43 |
DaemonFC | You're right balzac: I'm with MS Marketing, we hate Zune, Internet Explorer, and several other things quite particularly | May 21 19:43 |
balzac | yeah, that was my big slogan | May 21 19:43 |
DaemonFC | and we want everyone to hate them as badly as us :P | May 21 19:43 |
schestowitz | It's "intense interrogation" | May 21 19:43 |
schestowitz | or extereme.. rendition if you will. | May 21 19:43 |
balzac | I was saying "waterboard bush" back in 2006 | May 21 19:43 |
schestowitz | Will the lady like a rendition and a cupa tea, me lord?" | May 21 19:44 |
DaemonFC | the jackass that decided to ship the XBOX 360 should be waterboarded 187 times | May 21 19:44 |
balzac | but that's ironic | May 21 19:44 |
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schestowitz | balzac: that's not vioolence to them | May 21 19:44 |
schestowitz | They brag about how waterboarding is all safe | May 21 19:44 |
schestowitz | BTW, does that not violate Geneva conventions? | May 21 19:44 |
schestowitz | (not that the US ever obey these) | May 21 19:44 |
DaemonFC | well unfortunately our new boss is more like the old boss every day | May 21 19:45 |
balzac | schestowitz: you're here not under a pseudonym | May 21 19:45 |
DaemonFC | he went from being a liberal icon to a conservative sellout | May 21 19:45 |
DaemonFC | in onlt 5 months | May 21 19:45 |
balzac | I'm happy to share my personal identity | May 21 19:45 |
DaemonFC | *only | May 21 19:45 |
schestowitz | Who? | May 21 19:45 |
schestowitz | OBAMAA? | May 21 19:45 |
DaemonFC | Obama | May 21 19:45 |
schestowitz | Yeah | May 21 19:45 |
balzac | but I'm concerned about the guys who say the most provocative things, yet remain anonymous | May 21 19:45 |
schestowitz | He makes me laugh | May 21 19:45 |
schestowitz | The Seinfeld of our time | May 21 19:46 |
schestowitz | Looking up at the crowd | May 21 19:46 |
schestowitz | Kind of arrogant IMHO | May 21 19:46 |
DaemonFC | I'm extremely disappointed that I bought into that and voted for him, but really it's not like McCain was any better | May 21 19:46 |
DaemonFC | I wasted a half hour of my life bothering to make a decision | May 21 19:46 |
balzac | I just got justifiably paranoid that there might be provocateurs in here | May 21 19:46 |
schestowitz | Even Bush seemed more modest when he spoke | May 21 19:46 |
balzac | considering all the heckling you get | May 21 19:46 |
schestowitz | Voting for the busienss party=lost vote | May 21 19:46 |
schestowitz | The same junkers take over the house | May 21 19:47 |
DaemonFC | meh | May 21 19:47 |
schestowitz | People like Rahn Emmanuel | May 21 19:47 |
schestowitz | neo-fascists | May 21 19:47 |
DaemonFC | now he's supposedly ended the torture | May 21 19:47 |
schestowitz | *Rahm | May 21 19:47 |
DaemonFC | but who knows | May 21 19:47 |
DaemonFC | they may just be hiding it better | May 21 19:47 |
schestowitz | They already do | May 21 19:47 |
DaemonFC | than in any event, he doesn't want to bring the Bushies to justice | May 21 19:47 |
schestowitz | You haven't heard? | May 21 19:47 |
DaemonFC | *then | May 21 19:48 |
schestowitz | Instead of OBAMA sentencing Bush toprison he destroys evvidence | May 21 19:48 |
schestowitz | IOW, he covers his back | May 21 19:48 |
schestowitz | Kissinger of our times... | May 21 19:48 |
schestowitz | RMS wrote about it, others did too | May 21 19:48 |
schestowitz | Same with Clinton dat | May 21 19:48 |
schestowitz | *data | May 21 19:48 |
balzac | We'll see what happens | May 21 19:49 |
DaemonFC | unfortunately | May 21 19:49 |
schestowitz | Those who don't learn from history are doomed to shred it | May 21 19:49 |
DaemonFC | not like it's going to be stopped | May 21 19:49 |
balzac | Ultimately, Obama doesn't want to initiate it too proactively | May 21 19:49 |
DaemonFC | whatever they have in mind | May 21 19:49 |
balzac | but he has plenty of time to do it | May 21 19:49 |
schestowitz | He has 3 kids | May 21 19:49 |
schestowitz | 2 | May 21 19:49 |
schestowitz | 2? | May 21 19:49 |
DaemonFC | 2 | May 21 19:49 |
balzac | if time starts running short, I'll be putting pressure on. | May 21 19:49 |
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schestowitz | Hockey Mom(R) has 5 | May 21 19:50 |
schestowitz | One of whom with disability | May 21 19:50 |
schestowitz | Which Amazing Atheist said something quite correct about.. | May 21 19:50 |
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schestowitz | National Archives Breach Includes Clinton-Era Data < http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/National-Archives-Breach-Includes-Clinton-Era-Data-440722/ > | May 21 19:50 |
DaemonFC | and that was? | May 21 19:51 |
schestowitz | Barbarism is an ugly word... The Solipsist and the Internet (a Review of Helprin's Digital Barbarism) < http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-lessig/the-solipsist-and-the-int_b_206021.html > | May 21 19:51 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: looks it up, hold on. | May 21 19:51 |
DaemonFC | thost kids can't help who their mom is | May 21 19:51 |
DaemonFC | you have to feel sorry for her using them as pawns in her political ambitions | May 21 19:51 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=135SdtFzV2U&feature=related | May 21 19:52 |
schestowitz | How to Make Your Client Look Bad, in Three Easy Steps < http://www.citmedialaw.org/blog/2009/how-make-your-client-look-bad-three-easy-steps > | May 21 19:54 |
schestowitz | OpenMoko still alive and well: http://www.h-online.com/open/Openmoko-involves-the-community-in-hardware-development--/news/113328 | May 21 19:56 |
DaemonFC | Glenn Beck should be shot | May 21 19:59 |
DaemonFC | he's like the douchest douche Republican right behind Rush Limbaugh | May 21 19:59 |
balzac | DaemonFC: you're wrong | May 21 20:01 |
balzac | He should be confronted, and if he throws the first punch, he should be beaten like a drum by the guy he swings on | May 21 20:01 |
balzac | I'd be happy to confront him personally and directly | May 21 20:01 |
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balzac | but you're an agent provocateur if you say such crap as you just said | May 21 20:02 |
balzac | and you should be banned | May 21 20:02 |
balzac | also, you're hiding behind a pseudonym | May 21 20:02 |
balzac | where as I share my identity, and comment responsibly | May 21 20:02 |
balzac | Roy, you should dump that troll. don't be sentimental. | May 21 20:03 |
balzac | that's a serious transgression against your channel's purpose | May 21 20:03 |
balzac | and a bad distraction too | May 21 20:04 |
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schestowitz | wb, malroy | May 21 20:06 |
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chips_b_malroy | thanks Roy | May 21 20:06 |
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schestowitz | balzac: he didn't mean that (I hope) | May 21 20:07 |
chips_b_malroy | Roy in one of the articles you link to, there was a comment by a user slickedit | May 21 20:07 |
schestowitz | Which one..? | May 21 20:07 |
chips_b_malroy | @slickuser "open vmmreg32.dll in hex editor. The resource section says Windows Vista SP3!" | May 21 20:07 |
DaemonFC | yeah | May 21 20:07 |
DaemonFC | there will most likely be an SP3 | May 21 20:08 |
DaemonFC | around 2011 | May 21 20:08 |
chips_b_malroy | this for Windows Seven, since I do not run Seven or Vista I cannot comtirm this | May 21 20:08 |
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DaemonFC | Microsoft actually has a policy for when service packs are released, and they have to release one after every so many standalone hotfixes | May 21 20:08 |
DaemonFC | as long as the product is within mainstream support | May 21 20:09 |
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DaemonFC | it's not out of mainstream support til the middle of 2012 | May 21 20:09 |
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DaemonFC | so there will probably be one more service pack | May 21 20:09 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: after that remark of yours consider yourself warned | May 21 20:09 |
schestowitz | You're aggravating | May 21 20:09 |
MinceR | schestowitz: "die in a fire" isn't a threat, it's a request :> | May 21 20:09 |
chips_b_malroy | the comment by slickedit was in this link http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10242555-64.html | May 21 20:09 |
DaemonFC | warned about what? | May 21 20:10 |
chips_b_malroy | the point being that that a component of Windows Seven reports it as Vista SP3 | May 21 20:10 |
DaemonFC | why is that odd? | May 21 20:10 |
DaemonFC | it wouldn't be the first time | May 21 20:10 |
DaemonFC | most test build still have files that identify as the last version | May 21 20:11 |
chips_b_malroy | its useful to point out that is what seven is, vista, as further proof | May 21 20:11 |
chips_b_malroy | true | May 21 20:11 |
DaemonFC | in fact it could be meant that way for backwards compatibility with something | May 21 20:11 |
chips_b_malroy | I figured if anyone had the Seven RC and could confirm that it would be you DaemonFC | May 21 20:12 |
DaemonFC | No I'm not running that | May 21 20:13 |
DaemonFC | It's incompatible with several things I use | May 21 20:13 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: please reply | May 21 20:13 |
DaemonFC | and it will start shutting down every 2 hours in March | May 21 20:13 |
balzac | The point is that you guys who don't use your real identities are the ones saying the things which are not appropriate | May 21 20:14 |
balzac | Roy has a reputation to protect | May 21 20:14 |
DaemonFC | So go formulate some ideas about me as regards to my masters in the Illuminati or whatever | May 21 20:15 |
DaemonFC | mmmk? | May 21 20:15 |
DaemonFC | they're amusing | May 21 20:15 |
balzac | DaemonFC: don't act like you don't care about the reputation of this channel | May 21 20:15 |
balzac | you just took a crap on Roy's carpet | May 21 20:15 |
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DaemonFC | No, I missed you | May 21 20:16 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 20:16 |
balzac | Roy works hard collecting and disseminating important information which is a service | May 21 20:16 |
DaemonFC | right well, I'm adding you to my ignore list, you can be <Anon> all you want | May 21 20:17 |
balzac | and his work deserves respect, not to be discredited by irresponsible commentary which serves no purpose except to harm the reputation of this channel | May 21 20:17 |
schestowitz | Journalists spread FUD to keep them fed: http://techdirt.com/articles/20090520/0338464948.shtml | May 21 20:18 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: change nym please | May 21 20:18 |
schestowitz | If you're going to spout this stuff out | May 21 20:19 |
schestowitz | Ryan <what> | May 21 20:19 |
schestowitz | That will at least force you to be decent | May 21 20:19 |
DaemonFC | like it ever has | May 21 20:19 |
schestowitz | Let's try it | May 21 20:19 |
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schestowitz | Else it's your last chance with this nym | May 21 20:19 |
schestowitz | Vapourware arrive late, but why? "Vista SP2: Microsoft to push via Windows Update in 'the coming weeks'" < http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2841 > | May 21 20:21 |
schestowitz | Vista7 is SP2, as well. | May 21 20:21 |
DaemonFC | already have it | May 21 20:21 |
schestowitz | *arrives | May 21 20:21 |
DaemonFC | WIndows 7 display drivers work with it | May 21 20:21 |
DaemonFC | I found that funny | May 21 20:21 |
schestowitz | Wages stagnant (going down in the US considering inflation): http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/features/article.php/3821106/ | May 21 20:24 |
DaemonFC | yeah, the Republicans will swear it's because minimum wage went up $2.35 an hour | May 21 20:25 |
DaemonFC | I don't see any of them living on that though | May 21 20:25 |
DaemonFC | they always find a way to blame the poorest and most vulnerable people in society | May 21 20:25 |
DaemonFC | anyway, I still need to call those people and see what stupid things I can get them to say for my Youtube channel | May 21 20:27 |
DaemonFC | back in a few | May 21 20:29 |
schestowitz | Researchers Claim 1.6TB of Data on DVD < http://www.internetnews.com/breakingnews/article.php/3821536/ > | May 21 20:32 |
schestowitz | "We believe Linux is the right OS for the entire architecture," McHugh said < http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/05/nortel-choses-linux-for-250-mi.html > | May 21 20:33 |
trmanco | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=windows_and_linux_pcs&articleId=9133381&taxonomyId=64&intsrc=kc_feat | May 21 20:35 |
DaemonFC | looks like I can't call Acer | May 21 20:40 |
DaemonFC | their thing demands a serial number or it hangs up | May 21 20:40 |
schestowitz | "OpenSSH 5.2 was released in February already which has builtin countermeasures against this form of "attack." Next." http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdotLinux/~3/d5lc5cyPwCs/article.pl | May 21 20:41 |
schestowitz | What is /. DOING? | May 21 20:41 |
Balrog_ | Call corporate HQ then | May 21 20:41 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: That would be a holographic disc | May 21 20:41 |
schestowitz | Passing old news.. | May 21 20:41 |
schestowitz | trmanco: yuck. "Shane O'Neill " | May 21 20:41 |
schestowitz | And it's old news | May 21 20:41 |
DaemonFC | I think Blue Ray and HD-DVD were both basically pointless | May 21 20:42 |
DaemonFC | MPEG-4 could have stored HD movies on a normal DVD | May 21 20:42 |
trmanco | heh | May 21 20:42 |
schestowitz | Keith Curtis keeps pushing the same story into the news to have people d/l his bok | May 21 20:42 |
schestowitz | We mailed a few times | May 21 20:42 |
trmanco | ah, I see | May 21 20:42 |
DaemonFC | they wouldn't have had to get rid of any manufacturing equipment | May 21 20:42 |
schestowitz | He mailed me when I mentioned his book in BN | May 21 20:42 |
DaemonFC | it was all about the DRM | May 21 20:42 |
schestowitz | He wants publicity | May 21 20:42 |
DaemonFC | I've been getting some nasty feedback over my view on Internet Explorer, like I ran over their mother or something | May 21 20:43 |
DaemonFC | I even put up a whole new article jsut to debunk one comment | May 21 20:43 |
schestowitz | trmanco: just two MSFTers | May 21 20:43 |
schestowitz | PR | May 21 20:44 |
schestowitz | Like this which I got after yesterday's post | May 21 20:44 |
schestowitz | "Hi Roy – | May 21 20:44 |
schestowitz | May 21 20:44 | |
schestowitz | I’m Bluenog’s PR rep. and I wanted to let you know they caught your shout-out to their disruptive technology and appreciate your attitude. | May 21 20:44 |
schestowitz | May 21 20:44 | |
schestowitz | Let me know if you’d ever be interested in a chat with Suresh, their CEO, he is always good for a chin-wag on commercial open source and other topics." | May 21 20:44 |
schestowitz | They look for a mention, that's all. | May 21 20:44 |
schestowitz | "AAI Hails European Commission's Guilty Ruling in Intel Case" | May 21 20:46 |
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DaemonFC | a RAID array of floppy discs? | May 21 20:48 |
DaemonFC | uhhhm ok | May 21 20:48 |
DaemonFC | http://ohlssonvox.8k.com/fdd_raid.htm | May 21 20:48 |
schestowitz | "I got a new unibody MacBook today, and for the first time ever, getting a new Mac hasn’t left me happy. Dear Apple: Please bring back either FireWire target mode or a replacement that, you know, works." http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2009/05/19/Bad-Mac-Day | May 21 20:49 |
schestowitz | Apple -- even its biggest fans keep complaining | May 21 20:49 |
DaemonFC | I don't know why | May 21 20:49 |
DaemonFC | PC just gets Apple leftovers | May 21 20:49 |
DaemonFC | Firewire is the best example | May 21 20:49 |
DaemonFC | well, aside fomr Vista | May 21 20:49 |
DaemonFC | Oh joy, ethernet | May 21 20:51 |
DaemonFC | well, maybe if both Macs have gigabit | May 21 20:51 |
DaemonFC | 10/100 would take all day I'm sure | May 21 20:51 |
DaemonFC | sounds like the network settings are screwed up somehow | May 21 20:52 |
DaemonFC | That's usually the point of failure for Windows or Mac because they tried to turn something insanely complicated into a set od one-click solutions, which are nice on the rare event they work | May 21 20:53 |
DaemonFC | Repair Network Connection is a stack of stuff that would be the first things you'd try on any OS | May 21 20:54 |
DaemonFC | Linux is getting better with that largely due to Fedora's network manager work | May 21 20:55 |
schestowitz | Googling to Newspaper Solvency < http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20090521055258877 > | May 21 20:57 |
schestowitz | Old newspapers deserve to die out | May 21 20:57 |
schestowitz | And fake blogs be eliminated for pretending to be people (AstroTurf) | May 21 20:57 |
DaemonFC | it occurs to me that Microsoft still has the Files and Settings Transfer Wizard, it's never been a great idea to use it though | May 21 20:58 |
schestowitz | It's really hard. Two sides, big and small, acting as shills out there | May 21 20:58 |
DaemonFC | the Mac version probably works cause there's no registry | May 21 20:58 |
DaemonFC | I may just send Acer an email and post a copy to my blog | May 21 20:59 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: These places make it so hard to contact them.... | May 21 21:01 |
DaemonFC | unless you've alreayd bought something and it's in warranty | May 21 21:01 |
DaemonFC | then maybe not even that :) | May 21 21:01 |
DaemonFC | I'd probably just get another cheeky first line support monkey sitting behind his WinTerm telling me what the piece of crap was doing was appropriate cause Microsoft said so.....been there | May 21 21:02 |
schestowitz | http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/05/acer-tells-kids-charity-pay-up-or-shut.html (Acer Tells Kid's Charity - Pay Up or Shut Up) | May 21 21:03 |
DaemonFC | I posted that earlier | May 21 21:03 |
DaemonFC | it's what I've been so pissed about | May 21 21:03 |
schestowitz | I know.. | May 21 21:03 |
DaemonFC | wrt Acer | May 21 21:03 |
DaemonFC | I hate it when they pull this crap then say it's OK because Microsoft said so | May 21 21:04 |
neonfloss | you hear about wikipedia community voting 75% in favour of CC lisence? | May 21 21:04 |
DaemonFC | doesn't surprise me | May 21 21:04 |
DaemonFC | Share Alike or Share Alike Non Commercial? | May 21 21:04 |
trmanco | http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease32 | May 21 21:05 |
trmanco | http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/buglist.cgi?issue_type=ENHANCEMENT&issue_type=FEATURE&target_milestone=OOo+3.2&email1=&emailtype1=exact&emailassigned_to1=1&email2=&emailtype2=exact&emailreporter2=1&issueidtype=include&issue_id=&changedin=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=&chfieldvalue=&short_desc=&short_desc_type=allwords&long_desc=&long_desc_type=allwords&issue_file_loc=&issue_file_loc_type=fulltext&status_whiteboard=&status_whiteboard_type=fulltex | May 21 21:05 |
trmanco | t&keywords=&keywords_type=anytokens&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&Submit+query=Submit+query | May 21 21:05 |
trmanco | oops | May 21 21:05 |
trmanco | hude link | May 21 21:05 |
trmanco | huge* | May 21 21:06 |
DaemonFC | damn | May 21 21:06 |
trmanco | http://is.gd/C820 | May 21 21:06 |
trmanco | ha | May 21 21:06 |
trmanco | it's tiny now | May 21 21:06 |
trmanco | We made your URL 97% (585 characters) shorter! | May 21 21:06 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: The final build of Vista SP2 is not over a month old | May 21 21:08 |
DaemonFC | and still no comment | May 21 21:08 |
DaemonFC | that woman has a good point | May 21 21:08 |
DaemonFC | What the hell? :P | May 21 21:08 |
DaemonFC | I'm still leaning to my explanation | May 21 21:09 |
neonfloss | DaemonFC, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ | May 21 21:10 |
neonfloss | share alike, attribution | May 21 21:11 |
DaemonFC | so basically like a BSD with advertising | May 21 21:11 |
DaemonFC | for documentation though | May 21 21:11 |
DaemonFC | makes sense | May 21 21:11 |
DaemonFC | I have a FreeBSD box | May 21 21:12 |
DaemonFC | all kinds of stable | May 21 21:12 |
DaemonFC | come to think of it | May 21 21:12 |
DaemonFC | yeah, still running :) | May 21 21:12 |
DaemonFC | hehe | May 21 21:12 |
neonfloss | heh | May 21 21:13 |
neonfloss | im happy about the vote | May 21 21:13 |
DaemonFC | they could have licensed it BSD | May 21 21:13 |
neonfloss | better licensing and it will bring more attention to creative commons | May 21 21:13 |
DaemonFC | but CC is trendier and will be better attention whoring | May 21 21:13 |
DaemonFC | in headlines | May 21 21:13 |
DaemonFC | I used BSD with advertising clause the last time I put anything together | May 21 21:14 |
neonfloss | DaemonFC, CC is more appropriate imo | May 21 21:14 |
neonfloss | BSD is more appropriate for software and tis documentation | May 21 21:14 |
neonfloss | it would work | May 21 21:15 |
DaemonFC | how is this any different? | May 21 21:15 |
DaemonFC | you still need your own lawyers to enforce it | May 21 21:15 |
DaemonFC | either way | May 21 21:15 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 21 21:15 |
neonfloss | :) | May 21 21:15 |
DaemonFC | they chose CC for the name | May 21 21:15 |
neonfloss | DaemonFC, it hasnt been changed | May 21 21:15 |
neonfloss | the board has to approve it | May 21 21:15 |
neonfloss | it was just a community-wide vote | May 21 21:15 |
DaemonFC | Creative Commons is like a really dumbed down BSD | May 21 21:15 |
DaemonFC | using pictograms | May 21 21:15 |
DaemonFC | Lol | May 21 21:16 |
DaemonFC | yeah, nothing like a good ballot box stuffing | May 21 21:16 |
DaemonFC | is there? | May 21 21:16 |
DaemonFC | disclaimer: I don't know if that happened, it was a joke | May 21 21:16 |
neonfloss | DaemonFC, not dumbed down - legal text remains legal text - its just easier to understand for average person. and its more appropriate because afaik bsd is meant more for software related things | May 21 21:17 |
DaemonFC | but whenever these projects say "We took a vote" you can't help to wonder | May 21 21:17 |
neonfloss | wonder about waht? | May 21 21:17 |
DaemonFC | that doesn't matter | May 21 21:17 |
DaemonFC | you can use software licensing for music or literature | May 21 21:17 |
neonfloss | DaemonFC, it does matter | May 21 21:17 |
DaemonFC | it may not make as much sense but it is enforceable | May 21 21:18 |
neonfloss | making sense is important | May 21 21:18 |
neonfloss | CC is clearer to average person in this context | May 21 21:18 |
DaemonFC | well, they call is something else, but it still means the same as the 20-ish year old BSD license | May 21 21:19 |
DaemonFC | *it | May 21 21:19 |
DaemonFC | they tweaked the legalese a bit | May 21 21:19 |
DaemonFC | there's too many licenses | May 21 21:19 |
DaemonFC | I call for an end to pointless license proliferation | May 21 21:19 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 21 21:19 |
DaemonFC | if someone says "It's BSD licensed" or "It's GPL 2", you know what you can do with it already | May 21 21:20 |
DaemonFC | but then you have the MPL, the NPL, the CDDL, the zlib license, the Creative Commons stuff | May 21 21:20 |
neonfloss | DaemonFC, its not a question of what works. its a question of what is more appropriate, and better | May 21 21:21 |
neonfloss | not legally | May 21 21:21 |
DaemonFC | I mean I basically agree that anyone should license their stuff however they want, but it's just bullshit that there's 10 licenses that do the same thing | May 21 21:21 |
DaemonFC | entire categories of them | May 21 21:21 |
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neonfloss | just as with everything | May 21 21:21 |
DaemonFC | meh | May 21 21:22 |
schestowitz | Microsoft Bans Memcopy() < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/05/microsoft_bans.html > | May 21 21:22 |
DaemonFC | WHAT!? | May 21 21:22 |
MinceR | i have my doubts about simply forcing them to give a second size | May 21 21:23 |
DaemonFC | meh | May 21 21:24 |
DaemonFC | looks like they're doing this to help get rid of worms and shit | May 21 21:24 |
DaemonFC | if that's all it is, more power to them | May 21 21:25 |
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DaemonFC | well, if you can get rid of something deprecated that's cauing all kinds of security problems | May 21 21:26 |
DaemonFC | it's good practices to get rid of it | May 21 21:26 |
DaemonFC | no matter what the program | May 21 21:26 |
DaemonFC | but then Microsoft has their double entendre about the word "Security" | May 21 21:27 |
DaemonFC | sometimes it means worms and shit, sometimes it means "This is undermining our DRM" | May 21 21:27 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 21:27 |
MinceR | they don't know anything about security anyway | May 21 21:27 |
schestowitz | They know | May 21 21:28 |
schestowitz | [that it sucks big time] | May 21 21:28 |
schestowitz | They said they would sort it out... for a like a decade. it's still a mess. | May 21 21:28 |
schestowitz | Vista7 security got totally breached like 5 major times so far. And it's NOT EVEN released. Talk about 'high market share' as reason for exploits... | May 21 21:29 |
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schestowitz | Acer and Linux for a change: http://www.informationweek.com/news/personal_tech/smartphones/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=217600479&subSection=News | May 21 21:39 |
schestowitz | Bilski: don't talk about Bill skiing | May 21 21:40 |
MinceR | :D | May 21 21:44 |
MinceR | not gnu though | May 21 21:45 |
schestowitz | heh. Avner (Live Novell # 1-2 2009 Releasefest) < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obHL71TK91Q > (new) | May 21 21:47 |
tacone | this guy is a genius http://www.sharms.org/blog/2009/05/21/python-rpm/ | May 21 22:06 |
tacone | no wonder he eates mono fud as breakfast | May 21 22:06 |
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schestowitz | I just got some Mandriva updates | May 21 22:14 |
schestowitz | They came with notes (and grammar mistakes ;-) ) | May 21 22:14 |
schestowitz | AlanW ain't there to catch the bad English | May 21 22:14 |
_Hicham_ | Mandriva is french | May 21 22:14 |
_Hicham_ | so it is normal to have some english mistakes on it | May 21 22:15 |
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DaemonFC | Windows X64 is an even bigger clusterfuck | May 21 22:18 |
DaemonFC | because now you need to have 32-bit and 64-bit PERL and Python | May 21 22:18 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 21 22:18 |
DaemonFC | and many other things | May 21 22:18 |
DaemonFC | that could be another reason they want all that stuff running through .Net | May 21 22:20 |
DaemonFC | business customers complaining about duplication of every runtime | May 21 22:20 |
schestowitz | Good lad: Open Source Developer Intends To Block Belgian Government From Using His Technology Over Tax Dispute < http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/20/open-source-developer-intends-to-block-belgian-government-from-using-his-technology-over-tax-dispute/ > | May 21 22:20 |
DaemonFC | sounds like he's being a whiney bitch over it | May 21 22:23 |
DaemonFC | and will probably just hurt real people | May 21 22:23 |
DaemonFC | does he even know if his government is using it? | May 21 22:23 |
DaemonFC | will the license change prompt a fork or for distros to drop it? | May 21 22:23 |
DaemonFC | And some of the people in the comments are even more ridiculous | May 21 22:25 |
DaemonFC | "Is adSense revenue not taxable income? I’m Belgian too, and I’d really like to know…" | May 21 22:26 |
DaemonFC | then some other guy says.... | May 21 22:26 |
DaemonFC | "Not in the US - Federal law bans all Internet taxes until 2012, I believe." | May 21 22:26 |
DaemonFC | WRONG | May 21 22:26 |
DaemonFC | that's still income | May 21 22:26 |
DaemonFC | Google wants your tax info when you sign up because if they pay you more than $600 in a tax year, they have to immediately report it to the IRS | May 21 22:26 |
DaemonFC | and send you a form 1099 | May 21 22:26 |
DaemonFC | :D | May 21 22:26 |
Balrog_ | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/05/20/open-source-developer-intends-to-block-belgian-government-from-using-his-technology-over-tax-dispute/ > | May 21 22:27 |
Balrog_ | sorry :/ | May 21 22:27 |
schestowitz | Freeswitch adds blobs... :-( http://blogs.zdnet.com/Greenfield/?p=353 | May 21 22:27 |
DaemonFC | if you make less than $600, you still have to report it as misc. income | May 21 22:27 |
tacone | pft. discrimination, so not anymore opensource software | May 21 22:27 |
DaemonFC | I cashed out $599.99 all at once to get out of the instant IRS notification | May 21 22:28 |
DaemonFC | then "forgot" to declare it | May 21 22:28 |
DaemonFC | :) | May 21 22:28 |
DaemonFC | funny how my memory is sometimes | May 21 22:28 |
DaemonFC | :D | May 21 22:28 |
DaemonFC | that was a few years ago | May 21 22:28 |
tacone | DaemonFC: when you were under 18, right ;-) | May 21 22:28 |
DaemonFC | hmmmmmmmmmmmm | May 21 22:29 |
schestowitz | Is this thing really open source? Bluenog Does Open Source Right, Nabs Another Award < http://www.cmswire.com/cms/enterprise-cms/bluenog-does-open-source-right-nabs-another-award-004651.php > | May 21 22:29 |
DaemonFC | if you say so........I mean, yes, under 18 | May 21 22:29 |
DaemonFC | :P | May 21 22:29 |
schestowitz | Their site makes it seem like proprietary with visible code | May 21 22:29 |
schestowitz | Bluenog Thinks That Open Source Means Mixing Non-Free Software http://www.esj.com/business_intelligence/article.aspx?EditorialsID=9240 | May 21 22:31 |
tessier | I sold google ads for a while and they 1099'd me and I hate to pay tax on them. | May 21 22:31 |
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_Hicham_ | Fedora 11 have been delayed by a week | May 21 22:34 |
schestowitz | See http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Ballmer_on_cloud_computing_45669867.html Would it be possible to this video without Novell's patent garbage? | May 21 22:34 |
_Hicham_ | due to some remaining bugs | May 21 22:34 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz is a patent garbage collector | May 21 22:35 |
schestowitz | No | May 21 22:35 |
schestowitz | I leak it | May 21 22:35 |
_Hicham_ | I was talking about garbage collectors in programming languages | May 21 22:36 |
_Hicham_ | garbage collectors in fact, clear the garbage | May 21 22:36 |
_Hicham_ | not collect it | May 21 22:36 |
_Hicham_ | that is what i meant | May 21 22:37 |
_Hicham_ | you are trying to clear the patents garbage | May 21 22:37 |
_Hicham_ | so, technically, that makes u a garbage collector | May 21 22:37 |
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schestowitz | I know what garbage collection is. So I joked about leaking the memory :-p | May 21 22:38 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu - Embed a Terminal into Your Desktop using Compiz [Howto] < http://webupd8.blogspot.com/2009/05/ubuntu-embed-terminal-into-you-desktop.html > | May 21 22:39 |
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schestowitz | Me to Susan: "Do you really think anyone would DDOS his/her own site? This is more slander from those at Novell/SUSE who try to discredit me. I /never/ claimed the attacks came from Novell and now it's someone in linsux who claims to be behind it." | May 21 22:44 |
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schestowitz | I can't believe that some site link to the troll who said I DDOSed BN | May 21 22:44 |
schestowitz | This is insane | May 21 22:44 |
_Hicham_ | those guys have a lof of imagination | May 21 22:44 |
schestowitz | Without linking to it, the guy who claims this seems like some conspiracies nut and white supremacist of some kind. His site is full of this rubbish | May 21 22:45 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: yes, it's insane, so I mailed Susan to ask why she even linked to it | May 21 22:45 |
_Hicham_ | It is freedom pal | May 21 22:46 |
_Hicham_ | people must know the truth by themselves | May 21 22:46 |
schestowitz | FSF and Cisco Settle GPL Dispute < http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2009/may/20/fsf-cisco-settlement/ > | May 21 22:49 |
schestowitz | FSF and Cisco Settle - For Real, This Time < http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090520173819315 > | May 21 22:49 |
schestowitz | Mission accomplished | May 21 22:49 |
tacone | schestowitz: yes, i don't know if commenting on that blog | May 21 22:50 |
tacone | a guy came to comment my post about the ddos | May 21 22:50 |
tacone | and said plainly that guy's post was rubbish | May 21 22:50 |
tacone | http://www.stefanoforenza.com/lost-in-paris-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-34000 | May 21 22:50 |
comradekingu | linksys products? I thought it was only cisco stuff? What devices are now suddenly covered under the gpl? | May 21 22:52 |
schestowitz | tacone: whose post? | May 21 22:57 |
schestowitz | Oh | May 21 22:57 |
schestowitz | Let me read the comment | May 21 22:57 |
tacone | it's a short comment. but i guess some people actually realize it's a pointless basher | May 21 22:58 |
schestowitz | "asked if he can prove that DDOS was self inflicted; answer was “I can’t.”" | May 21 22:58 |
schestowitz | Well, SJVN saw the logs for himself (a sample) | May 21 22:59 |
tacone | truth is actually added that he could not believe the numbers | May 21 22:59 |
schestowitz | His whole blog post was littered with personal attack | May 21 22:59 |
schestowitz | They also abused HIM for writing it | May 21 22:59 |
tacone | i'd ask him to try 3 request per seconds on his website, then i laugh. | May 21 22:59 |
schestowitz | It's not 3/sec | May 21 22:59 |
schestowitz | That's just the FP | May 21 23:00 |
tacone | yes, i saw his site slow | May 21 23:00 |
schestowitz | Based on that Wikimedia counter | May 21 23:00 |
schestowitz | That's not even caches | May 21 23:00 |
tacone | 3/sec is enough to make his site fall | May 21 23:00 |
schestowitz | Wikipedia serving at that page without browser cache, either | May 21 23:00 |
tacone | 3 request per second | May 21 23:01 |
tacone | is 259 200 pageviews a day | May 21 23:01 |
tacone | then add the pageviews a website normally does | May 21 23:01 |
tacone | then i laugh | May 21 23:01 |
tacone | going offine, bye ! | May 21 23:04 |
schestowitz | Cya | May 21 23:04 |
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_Hicham_ | supertux-sharp | May 21 23:07 |
_Hicham_ | what a shame | May 21 23:07 |
_Hicham_ | even the cute tux is gonna be tainted by mono? | May 21 23:08 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : where did they came up with that name? | May 21 23:08 |
schestowitz | Who came up with it? | May 21 23:09 |
schestowitz | (Ubuntu) Karmic Koala Artwork http://anotherubuntu.blogspot.com/2009/05/karmic-koala-artwork.html | May 21 23:11 |
_Hicham_ | who came up with mono? | May 21 23:12 |
_Hicham_ | what was their inspiration | May 21 23:12 |
_Hicham_ | ? | May 21 23:12 |
_Hicham_ | do u call this artwork? | May 21 23:12 |
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schestowitz | PetoKraus: did you see Is << RHEL5 the new XP? >> < http://beranger.org/v3/wordpress/2009/05/20/is-rhel5-the-new-xp/ > | May 21 23:17 |
schestowitz | Yo, chips_b_malroy | May 21 23:18 |
chips_b_malroy | hello | May 21 23:18 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: let me find it | May 21 23:18 |
schestowitz | Miguel de Icaza: 'We had some painful experiences with C and C++, and when Microsoft came out with .NET, we said, "Yes! That is what we want."' | May 21 23:18 |
tessier | Ex-Microsoftie: Free Software Will Kill Redmond | May 21 23:18 |
tessier | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/052109-ex-microsoftie-free-software-will-kill.html | May 21 23:18 |
schestowitz | Miguel de Icaza: “At Microsoft I learned the truth about ActiveX and COM and I got very interested in it inmediately [sic].” | May 21 23:18 |
tessier | If you haven't seen... | May 21 23:18 |
schestowitz | tessier: yes, I know the guy | May 21 23:19 |
tessier | schestowitz: Check private msg... | May 21 23:19 |
schestowitz | he messaged me last year | May 21 23:19 |
chips_b_malroy | Explosive Rise in Fraud Applications Addressed by Lavasoft Malware Labs http://www.prweb.com/releases/Lavasoft/WhitePaper/prweb2433424.htm | May 21 23:19 |
chips_b_malroy | New malware attack detected by Sophos http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=5EF2A42D-1A64-6A71-CE621F9C339FFE10 | May 21 23:20 |
schestowitz | brb | May 21 23:20 |
chips_b_malroy | Netbook comes with factory-sealed malware http://www.scmagazineus.com/Netbook-comes-with-factory-sealed-malware/article/ | May 21 23:20 |
tessier | My wife just bought a new macbook today. Not ideal but at least it isn't windows. | May 21 23:21 |
tessier | She prefers Linux but she can't hassle with the wireless problems. | May 21 23:21 |
chips_b_malroy | the netbook article never says windows, but we know, also it states the malware was likely installed by the OEM's when they installed drivers, which means windows | May 21 23:22 |
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chips_b_malroy | ms-watch has now migrated to http://www.simplifypcsolutions.com/ which can also be reached thru http://blogs.eweek.com/ it is "sponsed blog" by Dell, but look at the Vista icon in the upper right corner, so M$ must be a sponser as well. | May 21 23:27 |
chips_b_malroy | ziff-davis (eweek) seems to have caved in to letting the watched run the show | May 21 23:27 |
chips_b_malroy | Switching My Dad to Linux--Part One http://www.pcworld.com/article/164721/switching_dad_linux.html | May 21 23:29 |
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chips_b_malroy | not sure if you have this one or not News search News News Conficker botnet 'could take Australia offline' http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,25506428-5014239,00.html | May 21 23:30 |
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chips_b_malroy | 10 reasons why Linux will oust Windows http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/software/0,39044822,62052873,00.htm | May 21 23:31 |
chips_b_malroy | Goblin, I will try to put an topic togeather for your site on "Secure XP" now it isn't, and how its should be released to public | May 21 23:34 |
_Goblin | :) | May 21 23:34 |
_Goblin | it will be most welcome | May 21 23:34 |
chips_b_malroy | free free to edit it anyway you like, btw, send by email when done | May 21 23:35 |
_Goblin | great. I wont edit though. | May 21 23:35 |
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chips_b_malroy | by "exclusionary deals with Microsoft " I think you mean Novell and the rest of the distro's that signed agreements? | May 21 23:40 |
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schestowitz | http://www.microsoft-watch.com/ | May 21 23:41 |
schestowitz | Yeah, they just opened a new dam | May 21 23:41 |
schestowitz | ChanServ: yes, not only though | May 21 23:41 |
schestowitz | OEMs too | May 21 23:41 |
schestowitz | XenSource.. | May 21 23:41 |
schestowitz | It's the whole EEE thing | May 21 23:41 |
schestowitz | I have a new example tomorrow | May 21 23:41 |
schestowitz | Black Duck s/w | May 21 23:41 |
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chips_b_malroy | the OEM's deals done in the back room, and never made public are a way do getting around the settlement in the US DOJ antitrust case | May 21 23:42 |
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schestowitz | If you see error page it's because the account is being migrated | May 21 23:44 |
chips_b_malroy | A lot can be found on the type of OEM strong arming M$ did with the OEM's back when it was killing IBM OS/2. That information is still out there to be harvested. | May 21 23:44 |
schestowitz | chips_b_malroy: I will do that soon | May 21 23:45 |
schestowitz | Maybe next month | May 21 23:45 |
schestowitz | We have heaps about it | May 21 23:45 |
schestowitz | I have some stories of Ballmer crimes too | May 21 23:45 |
schestowitz | But it'll take time to write it up | May 21 23:46 |
schestowitz | With the court evidence to show it | May 21 23:46 |
chips_b_malroy | before the DOJ case, OEM's could not release the same model computer, or number, that their windows model did, with one that had another non-OS on it. Think OS/2 back then, and now Linux today. Even now, the OEM's will not put the same hardware in their netbooks for each OS | May 21 23:47 |
schestowitz | Same with BeOS and others | May 21 23:48 |
schestowitz | Similar tactics | May 21 23:48 |
schestowitz | Violations of law, settlements, etc. | May 21 23:48 |
chips_b_malroy | this is the issue that goes to the heart of MS, the control of pre-installing Windows on OEM computers. Without this, most users would not pay for windows, and they would decline | May 21 23:49 |
chips_b_malroy | "bundling" of windows on OEM computers is the key | May 21 23:50 |
chips_b_malroy | the house of cards falls if they cannot do this | May 21 23:51 |
schestowitz | Excellent new review of gNewSense http://www.raiden.net/articles/review_gnewsense_version_22/ | May 21 23:54 |
chips_b_malroy | IBM OS/2 may have been its own enemy, but M$ tactics were sure unethical, proven to be illegal by the DOJ, at least with respect to Netscape. Relevant still to what M$ is doing today, their playbook is still essentially the same as then, only its done more in closed rooms | May 21 23:54 |
schestowitz | chips_b_malroy: yes, MS talks about this | May 21 23:55 |
schestowitz | "OEMing" | May 21 23:55 |
schestowitz | They know why they do all this | May 21 23:55 |
schestowitz | the OEMs are "out delivery people" | May 21 23:55 |
schestowitz | *our | May 21 23:55 |
chips_b_malroy | If you don't have a "piece of paper" it makes it harder to sue M$ | May 21 23:55 |
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chips_b_malroy | notice the agreement with Novell, was it ever fully disclosed? | May 21 23:56 |
schestowitz | The Merits of Control-Alt-Backspace, or Geeks vs. Reality http://www.workswithu.com/2009/05/20/the-merits-of-control-alt-backspace-or-geeks-vs-reality/ | May 21 23:56 |
schestowitz | chips_b_malroy: never fully | May 21 23:57 |
schestowitz | As for piece of paper, BN has lots more to do | May 21 23:57 |
schestowitz | I shall do this later thios year | May 21 23:57 |
schestowitz | It will also attract many new readers | May 21 23:57 |
schestowitz | I just have other project that take up my weekends | May 21 23:57 |
schestowitz | *jects | May 21 23:57 |
schestowitz | I also need to sort out our Wiki | May 21 23:57 |
chips_b_malroy | yes, there are still some OS/2 fanboi's out there, that will be atracked to that type of posting | May 21 23:58 |
chips_b_malroy | but a lot of OS/2 resources have been dieing on the web | May 21 23:58 |
chips_b_malroy | Suggestion for new name: OS and Foss News (formally Boycott-Novell) | May 21 23:59 |
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