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| schestowitz | Back now... practicing for the contest | Aug 15 00:37 |
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| fewa | my power went out | Aug 15 00:37 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Shock as Twitter not entirely "pointless babble" http://notnews.today.com/?p=598 | Aug 15 01:02 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] That, by the way, was the one-year anniversary News of the News. First one: http://is.gd/2higl Cheers. | Aug 15 01:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell Creates OpenSUSE Team But Decreases OpenSUSE Support http://ping.fm/7ez5w | Aug 15 01:20 | |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Aug 15 01:24 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software [publicly logged] | Aug 15 01:24 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Fri Jun 12 17:24:05 2009 | Aug 15 01:24 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Aug 15 01:24 | |
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| fewa | "Botnet readership was considered likely to rise as soon nothing with organic intelligence would be able to cope." | Aug 15 01:27 |
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| schestowitz | fewa: http://www.itworld.com/security/74656/what-botnet-anyway | Aug 15 02:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Engaged in Misconduct in i4i Trial http://ping.fm/vreHI | Aug 15 02:17 | |
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| Hmph, the usual Network Criminals refuse Federal Broadband funds. http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/14/2233221/Major-Carriers-Shun-Broadband-Stimulus | Aug 15 05:01 | |
| they should know that they will be forced to network neutrality regardless. | Aug 15 05:01 | |
| but their purposeful refusal to grow networks is a long and old story. http://www.saschameinrath.com/2006jan31the_200_billion_broadband_scandal_aka_wheres_my_45mb_i_already_paid_for_it | Aug 15 05:03 | |
| Diablo-D3 | http://feeds.tuaw.com/click.phdo?i=9b5f00c0616d63831799a1b8b8afefa0 | Aug 15 05:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | in during ffs. | Aug 15 05:16 |
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| Piracy on the rise in Europe http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/08/12/pirates.europe/index.html | Aug 15 05:57 | |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.cereproc.com/products/voices | Aug 15 05:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | whahaha oh wow | Aug 15 05:57 |
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| Diablo-D3 | the arnold schwarzenegger is pretty good | Aug 15 06:10 |
| 4 more US banks fail. The news always comes out on Friday night. http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/14/news/companies/colonial_bancgroup/?postversion=2009081500 | Aug 15 06:13 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: uh, yeah | Aug 15 06:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | the FDIC always kills banks on a weekend | Aug 15 06:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | so you can get your money on monday | Aug 15 06:14 |
| *Diablo-D3 <3s the fdic | Aug 15 06:14 | |
| Diablo-D3 | they almost always keep their promise that they get your money the next business day | Aug 15 06:14 |
| -> The Montgomery, Ala., bank, which has 346 branches spread across Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Nevada, and Texas, is the sixth largest bank failure in U.S. history and by far the largest failure of 2009. With $25 billion in assets and $20 billion in deposits, Colonial is 100 times larger than the typical bank to have failed this year. | Aug 15 06:14 | |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah I already know | Aug 15 06:14 |
| *Diablo-D3 has several bank blogs in his reader | Aug 15 06:15 | |
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| yuhong | Looking at the Free Software Crediblity List, it appears that the only analyst BN trust is the 451 Group. | Aug 15 06:26 |
| yuhong | It would be nice if you can elabrate on why 451 group is better than the others. | Aug 15 06:27 |
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| schestowitz | <DaemonFC> You may want to make note of the $40 million additional fine the judge just ordered for Microsoft's courtroom misconduct in the i4i case. http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/enterpriseapps/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=219400044 | Aug 15 08:17 |
| *schestowitz removes ban on *!*=DaemonFC@*.hsd1.in.comcast.net | Aug 15 08:17 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/08/14/thunderbird-3-on-a-netbook/ | Aug 15 08:21 |
| schestowitz | The Mono people are putting poison in Linux | Aug 15 08:22 |
| schestowitz | Coming from a former Microsoft lackey: | Aug 15 08:22 |
| schestowitz | "We (the Debian CLI Libraries Team) are packaging IronRuby, IronPython | Aug 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | and the Dynamic Language Runtime for Debian. Much of the source in this | Aug 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | package is released under the Microsoft Public License: | Aug 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | [...] | Aug 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | [ed: I mis-wrote OSL-approved] | Aug 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ms-pl.html | Aug 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | I do not see MS-PL on the DFSG wiki page: | Aug 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses | Aug 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | However, Mono contains code licensed under MS-PL and it is part of the | Aug 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | main section, implying that it is compliant: | Aug 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | [...] | Aug 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | Are the MS-PL pieces of Mono stripped from the Fedora package of Mono? | Aug 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | mcs/class/MicrosoftAjaxLibrary/* | Aug 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | mcs/class/System.Web.Mvc/* | Aug 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | Looking forward to your response," | Aug 15 08:23 |
| schestowitz | THey are poisoning Debian with GPL incompatible garbage from Microsoft | Aug 15 08:23 |
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| schestowitz | Cat awarded online high school diploma < http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/15/cat_awarded_online_diploma/ > | Aug 15 08:29 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] SORBS makes me want to cut a bitch. Of course, they blame those who use their services. My netblock is not dynamic. Delist it already! | Aug 15 08:54 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Windows 7 and its biggest rival – XP? http://tinyurl.com/o8dbkn #microsoft #windows #linux #foss | Aug 15 08:59 | |
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| p_masho | u know what I just realised something recently. Americans are full of bullshit... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052970204251404574342170072865070.html | Aug 15 09:13 |
| schestowitz | p_masho: insurance companies call the shots | Aug 15 09:19 |
| p_masho | schestowitz: I dont mind that. Its the fact that some CEO can actually print "lies" in a paper !! | Aug 15 09:22 |
| p_masho | I live in the UK and even though the NHS has its faults, there is no way we'd give it up.. | Aug 15 09:22 |
| p_masho | >>> Even in countries like Canada and the U.K., there is no intrinsic right to health care << | Aug 15 09:22 |
| p_masho | >> All countries with socialized medicine ration health care by forcing their citizens to wait in lines to receive scarce treatments. << | Aug 15 09:23 |
| p_masho | Yes, my 76 year old dad recently has to wait 2 months, then he got his second hip replacment operation.. Paid £0 and was in care for a couple of weeks... | Aug 15 09:24 |
| tessier | p_masho: Pretty much every Brit I have met likes their NHS. | Aug 15 09:28 |
| p_masho | well there's hardly any private hospitals,a dn their only for the rich anyway | Aug 15 09:29 |
| schestowitz | p_masho: yes, it's WSJ | Aug 15 09:29 |
| p_masho | so how do you guys pay for this "insurance" and how much a month? | Aug 15 09:29 |
| tessier | Although I do wonder if maybe we shouldn't start with some of the reforms such as are proposed in that article. | Aug 15 09:29 |
| schestowitz | Like Forbes and NYT they just put marketing puppets in their to write articles | Aug 15 09:30 |
| *tessier pays around $250/mo for health insurance for the wife and I | Aug 15 09:30 | |
| schestowitz | They also glorify the CEOs of America (US) | Aug 15 09:30 |
| p_masho | tessier: WHAT.. !!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Aug 15 09:30 |
| p_masho | i pay £10pm national insurance | Aug 15 09:30 |
| tessier | p_masho: Yep. | Aug 15 09:31 |
| benJIman | Resource limitations will apply to any system, and in fact they're less of a problem with the NHS than the US system. | Aug 15 09:31 |
| tessier | This is the problem. | Aug 15 09:31 |
| tessier | A lot of people cannot afford it. | Aug 15 09:31 |
| p_masho | tessier: so i dont get it, that covers "everything" that might happen ? | Aug 15 09:32 |
| tessier | But unless something else changes other than just the payer it will only get more expensive. | Aug 15 09:32 |
| tessier | p_masho: I'm really not sure. The contracts are mind bogglingly complex. I don't understand it. | Aug 15 09:32 |
| tessier | But I pay it anyway because it is better than nothing. | Aug 15 09:32 |
| p_masho | that might expalin why the NHS is starting to clamp down on "holiday patients", | Aug 15 09:33 |
| tessier | Americans etc. who go there for healthcare? | Aug 15 09:33 |
| p_masho | yep.. | Aug 15 09:33 |
| tessier | Who are supposedly becoming ill while on holiday? | Aug 15 09:33 |
| tessier | become | Aug 15 09:34 |
| p_masho | yep | Aug 15 09:34 |
| tessier | Those same people are probably anti-Mexican immigration too. :) | Aug 15 09:34 |
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| benJIman | Once you're on UK soil you're pretty much entitled to healthcare, and if you have a work visa you're even entitled to disability benefits etc. | Aug 15 09:34 |
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| tessier | That article says there are 1.8M people in England waiting to be admitted to a hospital. Is that true? | Aug 15 09:36 |
| benJIman | I don't know, it might be, you won't be waiting if you need immediate treatment. It's all triage. I'm currently waiting for an outpatient appointment myself. But it's not urgent. | Aug 15 09:38 |
| p_masho | tessier: maybe.. think is you cant get "all" treamtment immedeately, so there are waiting lists.. | Aug 15 09:38 |
| benJIman | The private healthcare options have waiting lists too, they're only really better for getting certain drugs. | Aug 15 09:39 |
| p_masho | put it another way.. if its urgent its done pretty quickly, otherwise u wait... or you can pay. My dad could have paid £8000 and got his operation done within the week, instead he waited 2 months (after it got too painful for him) | Aug 15 09:39 |
| p_masho | so how does it work with emergenies - eg a car accident and the ramifications.. | Aug 15 09:40 |
| benJIman | Ambulance arrives at scene, takes you to closest hospital, you are treated till well enough to move to your local hospital. Long term physiotherapy as needed etc. | Aug 15 09:41 |
| p_masho | whether u have insurance or not | Aug 15 09:41 |
| benJIman | Money is never mentioned. | Aug 15 09:41 |
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| fewa | p_masho, President Obama's former doctor: http://www.democracynow.org/2009/7/22/president_obamas_longtime_physician_opposes_white | Aug 15 10:00 |
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| fewa | in short: private insurance companies do nothing but get in the way | Aug 15 10:00 |
| fewa | trying to prevent coverage, prevent billing, prevent expense, doing everything but treat their customers | Aug 15 10:01 |
| fewa | p_masho, also see this quote from the opened Nixon archives: http://toodumbtolivearchive.blogspot.com/2007/09/nixon-in-sicko.html | Aug 15 10:04 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QkgUkM0o6Q | Aug 15 10:04 |
| schestowitz | fewa: added for viewing later (DN) | Aug 15 10:06 |
| p_masho | fewa: its really got me scratching my head. I dont undertand how such a large population can "suffer" in this way. and not do nothing about it.. | Aug 15 10:07 |
| p_masho | so what does "single payer" mean.. dont understand that (sorry its off topic boycott novell ) | Aug 15 10:08 |
| p_masho | boy.. this is amazing - never knew any of this stuff about USA healthcare.. I feel for you folks... | Aug 15 10:12 |
| fewa | p_masho, single-payer is simple, it means the government is the only party that pays for health care | Aug 15 10:12 |
| fewa | although this is a little off, because single-payer does not outlaw private practice | Aug 15 10:13 |
| p_masho | so if your unemployed, what happens ? | Aug 15 10:13 |
| fewa | All the health care will be provided by private doctors, private hospitals, private companies | Aug 15 10:13 |
| fewa | but they are paid by the government | Aug 15 10:14 |
| fewa | and it comes from a tax | Aug 15 10:14 |
| fewa | it is much more efficient than a private system, and provides a better quality of care | Aug 15 10:14 |
| fewa | the unemployed are covered | Aug 15 10:14 |
| fewa | medicare has 3% overhead, which private insurance in the united states is 30% combined profit and overhead | Aug 15 10:15 |
| fewa | also whenever someone gets sick the insurance company does not spend money to heal them, but instead sends a private detective to figure out if they can get out of an obligation to cover them | Aug 15 10:16 |
| fewa | its a huge conflict of interest problem | Aug 15 10:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | I actually dislike obama's plan for one reason | Aug 15 10:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | it keeps insurance companies in the loop. | Aug 15 10:17 |
| p_masho | fewa: an understatment >> its a huge conflict of interest problem | Aug 15 10:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'm 100% for taking them over and selling the assets to pay for 50 years of what they owe the american people | Aug 15 10:17 |
| p_masho | so these companies are pretty lucrative.. | Aug 15 10:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then arresting all the upper management and selling their wifes into slavery | Aug 15 10:18 |
| p_masho | shall I take some more divident or treat a patient.. ummmmmm | Aug 15 10:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, only the hot ones | Aug 15 10:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | the ugly ones go for dog food | Aug 15 10:18 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTh-Yu9RfF0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aJzREmUWUw | Aug 15 10:18 |
| fewa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RADPnKE2Uak s better than the second one above | Aug 15 10:18 |
| p_masho | Diablo-D3: maybe u should sent the upper managment to work as porters in the UKK NHS system.. | Aug 15 10:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | feh | Aug 15 10:19 |
| fewa | Weiner got a promise of a vote on single-payer after the recess http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0fA2DfwFn4 | Aug 15 10:20 |
| fewa | Now get your representatives to vote in the interests, and with the opinion, of their constituents | Aug 15 10:21 |
| p_masho | so why dont your "reps" in gooverment do something about it.. seems pretty obvious and simple... | Aug 15 10:21 |
| fewa | p_masho, this is alot of the problem: http://change-congress.org/video/ | Aug 15 10:23 |
| p_masho | there's only one word I can think of "extortion"! | Aug 15 10:24 |
| fewa | Case in point: Max Baucus http://www.healthcare-now.org/real-news-network-single-payer-advocates-protest-senate-hearing-video/ | Aug 15 10:27 |
| p_masho | this this is pretty cool .. my cousin is a GP and she earns around £80k >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOZmvaFfjtk | Aug 15 10:31 |
| *p_masho Weiner is cool | Aug 15 10:33 | |
| fewa | I didnt know who he was before this | Aug 15 10:39 |
| p_masho | fewa whaw that "senate" hearing is amazing.. like some kinda nazi govt hearing.. | Aug 15 10:41 |
| fewa | The Senate was historically the house of the elites, and was only appointed by state legislatures | Aug 15 10:42 |
| fewa | after the populism of the 1020s it is now elected by popular votes in the states, but its highly non-proportional | Aug 15 10:43 |
| fewa | as each state, regardless of population, gets 2 seats in the senate | Aug 15 10:43 |
| p_masho | so there's 100+ of them ie 52 states*2 | Aug 15 10:44 |
| fewa | 50X2 | Aug 15 10:44 |
| fewa | =100 | Aug 15 10:44 |
| *p_masho ooops sorry... | Aug 15 10:44 | |
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| fewa | and California has 69 times the population of Wyoming but the same representation in the senate | Aug 15 10:46 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population#States_and_territories | Aug 15 10:46 |
| fewa | It makes the Senate more conservative than the people of the country | Aug 15 10:46 |
| fewa | and every law must pass through the Senate | Aug 15 10:46 |
| tessier | My Amazon wishlist gets even longer...SO much cool stuff out there to learn. | Aug 15 10:47 |
| fewa | (assuming that rural citizens are conservative) | Aug 15 10:48 |
| p_masho | the states seems liek 50 countries pretending to be one sometimes.. | Aug 15 10:48 |
| fewa | Well it is a federation | Aug 15 10:49 |
| fewa | and the US civil war was over that very issue | Aug 15 10:49 |
| fewa | on the legal side of it | Aug 15 10:49 |
| schestowitz | tessier: what's important is being able to look stuff up | Aug 15 10:49 |
| tessier | yep | Aug 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Memory is volatile, method of finding information is the most valuable skill | Aug 15 10:50 |
| fewa | yep, memory is outdated in the world where information is more and more at your fingertips | Aug 15 10:50 |
| *Diablo-D3 plugs a harddrive into his dimm slot. | Aug 15 10:51 | |
| fewa | lawl | Aug 15 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Everything I've ever memorised is gone | Aug 15 10:52 |
| *fewa thinks dimm slots are out dated | Aug 15 10:52 | |
| schestowitz | We're not magnetic tape | Aug 15 10:52 |
| *schestowitz loves Wikipedia | Aug 15 10:52 | |
| schestowitz | I use BN as a journal to keep track of things I have greater knowledge in | Aug 15 10:53 |
| p_masho | Diablo-D3: my borother has installed an SSD on his PC in work.. its WILD.. boots up in 3 seconds....(he's a computer dealer) | Aug 15 10:53 |
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| schestowitz | p_masho: some boot in under a second | Aug 15 10:53 |
| schestowitz | But running fewer services | Aug 15 10:53 |
| fewa | p_masho, a computer pusher? | Aug 15 10:53 |
| fewa | :P | Aug 15 10:53 |
| p_masho | fewa: uh ? | Aug 15 10:53 |
| fewa | yeah, esp with coreboot | Aug 15 10:53 |
| *p_masho fewa: doh.. just got it.. | Aug 15 10:54 | |
| fewa | ooo, a fast hit | Aug 15 10:54 |
| fewa | ...bad joke | Aug 15 10:54 |
| fewa | A cheaper way to do it is those super-fast SD cards | Aug 15 10:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | [06:00:11] <p_masho> Diablo-D3: my borother has installed an SSD on his PC in work.. its WILD.. boots up in 3 seconds....(he's a computer dealer) | Aug 15 10:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | p_masho: uh, yes, I'm already aware of that | Aug 15 10:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | its almost as fast as when I boot XP in virtualbox | Aug 15 10:59 |
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| Diablo-D3 | fewa: they make boxes that combine 4 CFs into one drive | Aug 15 10:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | 2.5" box, has normal sata data and power plugs | Aug 15 10:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | has an onboard raid1+0 chip | Aug 15 11:00 |
| fewa | I use a SD card cause its fast, highly portable, and compatible | Aug 15 11:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | CF cards are cheaper | Aug 15 11:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know why? | Aug 15 11:00 |
| fewa | for a desktop ssd isnt really needed, because it just gets cached | Aug 15 11:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | CF can be plugged into IDE | Aug 15 11:00 |
| fewa | if you have a good amount of ram | Aug 15 11:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | you just need a mechanical adapter (for the actual plug) | Aug 15 11:01 |
| fewa | o waoh | Aug 15 11:01 |
| fewa | thats cool | Aug 15 11:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | with these boxes they take CF slots wire them into IDE->SATA bridges (if they need them) and then wire that into the RAID controller | Aug 15 11:01 |
| fewa | but wouldn't flash cards that use flash interfaces instead of block emulation work better? | Aug 15 11:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope | Aug 15 11:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | CF is very old | Aug 15 11:01 |
| fewa | isn't block sizes making things clunky | Aug 15 11:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope | Aug 15 11:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | especially since they use blocks anyhow | Aug 15 11:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they support modern ATA standards | Aug 15 11:02 |
| fewa | so all the flash file systems will be block-based | Aug 15 11:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | computers are block based. | Aug 15 11:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, storage is anyways | Aug 15 11:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | flash uses blocks too | Aug 15 11:03 |
| fewa | it doesn't have to be | Aug 15 11:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, but thats how flash works | Aug 15 11:03 |
| fewa | but how does the mtd interface work | Aug 15 11:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | doesnt matter | Aug 15 11:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont directly interact with MTD most of the time | Aug 15 11:04 |
| fewa | some filesystems do | Aug 15 11:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | some do, but you need an actual MTD device | Aug 15 11:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | of everything I own I own exactly one device with MTD | Aug 15 11:04 |
| fewa | --> you dont directly interact with the block layer most of the time | Aug 15 11:04 |
| fewa | usually you are working in POSIX | Aug 15 11:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you know what that is? | Aug 15 11:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | my wrt router, the onboard flash is exposed as MTD. | Aug 15 11:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats how very uncommon it is | Aug 15 11:05 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, so that means you know what you are talking about? | Aug 15 11:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | I would hope so | Aug 15 11:05 |
| fewa | its on every flash device out there | Aug 15 11:05 |
| fewa | Phones, routers, embedded | Aug 15 11:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: but _you_ cant talk to it | Aug 15 11:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | on actual computers, its behind another layer | Aug 15 11:06 |
| fewa | POSIX | Aug 15 11:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | no think lower | Aug 15 11:06 |
| fewa | but how does the block layer help things? | Aug 15 11:06 |
| fewa | POSIX | Aug 15 11:06 |
| fewa | thats all applications care about | Aug 15 11:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | CF uses IDE, SD uses SD, actual drives plugged into IDE and SATA use IDE and SATA | Aug 15 11:06 |
| fewa | but the applications only cares about POSIX | Aug 15 11:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats the apps | Aug 15 11:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im talking about the hardware talking to more hardware | Aug 15 11:07 |
| fewa | and hardware changes, sooo | Aug 15 11:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | hardware does | Aug 15 11:07 |
| fewa | and the hardware already exists and is in widespread use | Aug 15 11:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | SATA had to add another instruction | Aug 15 11:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | one that tells devices the block is free | Aug 15 11:07 |
| fewa | thats doesnt use block, SATA, or IDE | Aug 15 11:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: SSDs often manage themselves | Aug 15 11:08 |
| fewa | with its own filesystem:jffs2 | Aug 15 11:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt make sense to use a file system for flash on flash devices that manage themselves | Aug 15 11:08 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, by why does that preclude a OS from doing it? | Aug 15 11:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | because the device doesnt know what the OS is doing | Aug 15 11:08 |
| fewa | Diablo-D3, why do we need an extra chip to do something a OS could do? | Aug 15 11:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | because its faster and its also tuned for the device | Aug 15 11:08 |
| fewa | if it is standard | Aug 15 11:08 |
| fewa | Its called a device driver | Aug 15 11:09 |
| fewa | its a standard thing | Aug 15 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | you're not understanding | Aug 15 11:09 |
| fewa | your not arguing | Aug 15 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | the device itself can manage stuff on a per chip level | Aug 15 11:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | a kernel couldnt, say, perform chipkill | Aug 15 11:09 |
| fewa | That still doesn't address why you are blindless defending old standards simply because they are what you are use to | Aug 15 11:10 |
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| Diablo-D3 | no, I'm saying smart hardware can be smart. | Aug 15 11:10 |
| fewa | OK, then why is using a outdated model, of "blocks" that has no reflection on the reality of todays hardware, smart? | Aug 15 11:11 |
| fewa | Cause you havn't actually defended it | Aug 15 11:12 |
| fewa | besides saying that what exists, should exist forever | Aug 15 11:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: except flash uses blocks | Aug 15 11:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | the operations themselves operate on entire blocks | Aug 15 11:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | what Im wondering is why sata still uses blocks | Aug 15 11:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | since basically you're limiting the hardware from optimizing better block sizes internally | Aug 15 11:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I am off to my brother GL1MST again. Do some groceries and cook his favourite dinner. Not taking my laptop with me this time. | Aug 15 11:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I will install Kubuntu 9.04 on his machine (currently running Windows XP). He has the same desktop as I do (Dell Optiplex GX240). | Aug 15 11:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Tested Kubuntu 9.04 on mine, works well. Will add Lancelot (menu) on it. Will be back Sunday evening. | Aug 15 11:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin, @schestowitz, @tracyrreed, @har2009: will miss you guys. Will be back on Sunday eve. SHALOM ALEIHEM ;-) | Aug 15 11:55 | |
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| schestowitz | "Sure, it's still big. Yes, it still competes vigorously. But with the odd exception (Bing, perhaps), Microsoft just doesn't seem to have the energy to compete anymore. One indication of this is that most of the dirt that Roy Schestowitz digs up on Microsoft is from old court records. It's as if Microsoft struggles even to be nasty anymore." | Aug 15 12:37 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10310555-16.html Not true actually. Microsoft is still doing nasty things, but some are not paying close enough attention. | Aug 15 12:37 |
| amarsh04 | hi schestowitz, been doing the back and forth between telstra and my isp getting to the source of adsl drop-outs | Aug 15 12:39 |
| schestowitz | That's OK. I'm just never sure which account to highlight when addressing you with a message. | Aug 15 12:40 |
| amarsh04 | sorry... I like to leave myself connected when going out and catch up on the channel when I get back | Aug 15 12:41 |
| schestowitz | Censorship in Venezuela now... http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-may-aug.html#14%20August%202009%20%28Chavez%20takes%20wrong%20turn%20on%20censorship%29 | Aug 15 12:43 |
| schestowitz | "In the weeks following the atomic attacks on Japan 64 years ago, and then for decades afterward, the United States engaged in airtight suppression of all film shot in Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the bombings." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/for-64th-anniversary-the_b_252752.html | Aug 15 12:48 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: ms is weaker than they have been for a long time at doing evil things. | Aug 15 12:54 |
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| oiaohm | Go back 5 years had a market lock and could basically do what ever they wantted and have it work. | Aug 15 12:55 |
| amarsh04 | I'd like to see a few more IT managers or better yet PHB's fired for using Microsoft products | Aug 15 12:56 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: will in time. | Aug 15 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Few missing bits before that starts. | Aug 15 12:58 |
| amarsh04 | South Australian government and Adelaide uni would be good places to start | Aug 15 12:58 |
| fewa | RMS: "The reason I supported the invasion of Afghanistan was because the Taliban were cruel to women. If the current government is cruel to them too, there is no reason to spend a dime, or a life, to defend it." | Aug 15 12:58 |
| oiaohm | ADS for samba will most likely start of NAS server makers competting in the SBS market. | Aug 15 12:58 |
| fewa | Stallman doesnt understand that invasions only hurt such things | Aug 15 12:58 |
| fewa | There is no way violence can bring peace and civil rights | Aug 15 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Taliban was supported into to power by the USA. | Aug 15 12:59 |
| fewa | Exactly | Aug 15 12:59 |
| fewa | ^^^^^ | Aug 15 12:59 |
| fewa | In a coup de te | Aug 15 12:59 |
| oiaohm | The it was the USA resoponsablity to clean up the problem they created. | Aug 15 13:00 |
| fewa | wut? | Aug 15 13:00 |
| fewa | how does more violence help? | Aug 15 13:00 |
| oiaohm | violence was already happening. | Aug 15 13:00 |
| fewa | It was a war over control over drug money, nothing more | Aug 15 13:00 |
| oiaohm | People forget how many people the Taliban was already killing. | Aug 15 13:01 |
| fewa | We wanted a single drug lord that would be our guy | Aug 15 13:01 |
| amarsh04 | oiaohm, did you notice that in the race to develop swine flu vaccines, there was some trouble attracting volunteers in Adelaide? | Aug 15 13:01 |
| oiaohm | USA forces tryed leave the drugs alone. | Aug 15 13:02 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: no one wants to be first. | Aug 15 13:02 |
| fewa | amarsh04, NAFTA caused the swine flu | Aug 15 13:02 |
| fewa | lax mexican regulation, that hurts american consumers | Aug 15 13:02 |
| amarsh04 | I took part in the Flinders University trial... I'd done so last year for regular flu and so far have suffered no ill effects | Aug 15 13:02 |
| oiaohm | Lack of boarder controls caused swine flu to spreed. | Aug 15 13:03 |
| fewa | oiaohm, no before that | Aug 15 13:03 |
| amarsh04 | swine flu spread more quickly in Victoria than other Australian states, not sure why | Aug 15 13:03 |
| fewa | " Yeah, that’s right, Amy. I think it’s been a very clear intention from our governments not to really excavate further into which are the roots and the causes that have—you know, that are behind this health crisis, this near pandemic that we’re living today. Well, the World Health Organization has already called it a pandemic, and they say it’s unstoppable. But if we don’t redress the whole economic model that stands on the lack of envi | Aug 15 13:03 |
| fewa | ronmental and labor—the exploitation of environmental and labor lack of regulations and enforcement, we will continue to see the multiplication of this kind of crisis." | Aug 15 13:03 |
| fewa | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/11/obama_reverses_campaign_pledge_to_renegotiate | Aug 15 13:04 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: tempeture. | Aug 15 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Its been a trend of swine flu world wide. Particular temp ranges increase its spreed rate. | Aug 15 13:04 |
| oiaohm | With good board controls it should have never got into Australia. | Aug 15 13:05 |
| oiaohm | We are too much of a jet world. | Aug 15 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Disease has no passport | Aug 15 13:08 |
| schestowitz | It's wrong to assume that border control can stop people from moving | Aug 15 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Or air-borne germs from traveling. | Aug 15 13:09 |
| fewa | ^^^ | Aug 15 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Same with pollution | Aug 15 13:09 |
| fewa | diseases always pass between borders | Aug 15 13:09 |
| fewa | inevitable | Aug 15 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Yes, that's my point | Aug 15 13:09 |
| oiaohm | In the case of australia there is a huge area of natural protection. | Aug 15 13:09 |
| fewa | oiaohm, that just means when it hits its more destructive | Aug 15 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Short range spread diseases like swine flu could be blocked. | Aug 15 13:10 |
| oiaohm | We have enough nasty viruses in this country already. | Aug 15 13:10 |
| oiaohm | hendra virus is particularly one you don't want getting out or australia if it comes human to human spreeding. | Aug 15 13:12 |
| oiaohm | since it already has a high kill rate. | Aug 15 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Why make such a preparatory post? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzQ1Nw (A Big Operating System Benchmark Comparison) | Aug 15 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Its more getting OS listings for it schestowitz | Aug 15 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | Google Wrestles Microsoft for Media Spotlight < http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry4625.html > But it's not about Microsoft. It's about MPEG and other such formats | Aug 15 13:22 |
| schestowitz | 'Standards' | Aug 15 13:22 |
| amarsh04 | back soon, trying new grub and new kernel | Aug 15 13:28 |
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| oiaohm | Standards are becoming more and more battle grounds. | Aug 15 13:29 |
| Eruaran | hi guys | Aug 15 13:30 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @Glinner: Even the Mail loves the NHS! Today. http://bit.ly/X4S2q #welovethenhs | Aug 15 13:32 | |
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| schestowitz | Summer Movies We're Afraid to See: Walt Disney's Air Linux < http://www.fastcompany.com/article/summer-movies-were-afraid-see-walt-disneys-air-linux > | Aug 15 13:51 |
| schestowitz | "we are basically a Linux based development team, so all the technology related activities are really Linux-centric. " http://www.newswiretoday.com/news/55639/ From India | Aug 15 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Another company is getting away from Windows: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/SDG-Systems-and-Bluebird-Soft-BIP6000/?kc=rss | Aug 15 14:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Classic promise: "Hypervisor technology claimed 100 percent bug-free" < http://ping.fm/BFtDE > It is not feasible to make it big-free at ... | Aug 15 14:18 | |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu netbook is colored to match < http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/ZaReason-Terra-A20/?kc=rss > | Aug 15 14:19 |
| schestowitz | *bug-free at this scale [typo] | Aug 15 14:19 |
| MinceR | ugly | Aug 15 14:19 |
| oiaohm | 100 percent bug free is possiable in theory. | Aug 15 14:20 |
| MinceR | besides they've said that karmic is going to be non-brown | Aug 15 14:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah | Aug 15 14:22 |
| schestowitz | PDF Mod Edits Multi-Page PDFs in Linux < http://lifehacker.com/5337495/pdf-mod-edits-multi+page-pdfs-in-linux > | Aug 15 14:22 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, for small programs | Aug 15 14:22 |
| schestowitz | In practice | Aug 15 14:22 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: oh noes. Hurry up and tell them to order different chassis for 9.10 | Aug 15 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Apple's products are mostly toilet-white | Aug 15 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Biggest fall down for that Hypervisor is the compiler is not audited. | Aug 15 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Chipsets too | Aug 15 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Radiation on the paths | Aug 15 14:32 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Aug 15 14:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Sorry guys, I have decided not to go to my brother (GL1MST) this weekend. I am spending too much time over there. | Aug 15 14:46 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Don't want to miss the har2009 event. (Listening to their streaming radio show). | Aug 15 14:47 | |
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| ugh! -> The color U.S. military footage would remain hidden until the early 1980s, and has never been fully aired. It rests today at the National Archives in College Park, Md., in the form of 90,000 feet of raw footage labeled #342 USAF. I have a VHS copy of all of it today | Aug 15 15:38 | |
| he needs to digitize it and stick it on archive.org | Aug 15 15:38 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz >_< the seL4 FAQ explicitly says this does not mean "100% bug free"! | Aug 15 15:43 | |
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| _goblin | hello all | Aug 15 16:10 |
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| _Goblin | thats better | Aug 15 16:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] 100 people an hour joining Pirate Party UK http://is.gd/2igRA | Aug 15 16:25 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] holy crap, orlowski admits when he's wrong about s/t http://is.gd/2igYi | Aug 15 16:26 | |
| schestowitz | I'll take a look at sokme MSFT news :-D | Aug 15 16:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard headline is the same though. The only scandal is 'paytard' Orlowski botching a smear job | Aug 15 16:50 | |
| p_masho | join #git | Aug 15 17:02 |
| *p_masho oops sorry.. | Aug 15 17:02 | |
| *p_masho what an idiot .. rofl!! | Aug 15 17:03 | |
| Diablo-D3 | doublefail | Aug 15 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Is this a joke? "Under plans to be outlined on Monday, every patient would have a username and password and IT firms such as Google or Microsoft could host the information." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8192073.stm | Aug 15 17:10 |
| schestowitz | yay! Let's give Ballmer's people entire medical data, too | Aug 15 17:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz "we accept that" in a retraction is legal phrasing. | Aug 15 17:10 | |
| p_masho | no it was a genuine mistake.. thats why I'm one of them sad people laughing at myself on a rainy saturday afternoon in wales... | Aug 15 17:14 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's Zune HD Could Be Too Little, Too Late http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200908131645DOWJONESDJONLINE000635_FORTUNE5.htm | Aug 15 17:17 |
| schestowitz | p_masho: Diablo-D3 is typically very rude | Aug 15 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | He speaks only for himself | Aug 15 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Xarver: hi | Aug 15 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | Watching Microsoft news has become fun because a lot goes badly for them while opening doors to FOSS | Aug 15 17:18 |
| Xarver | hi schestowitz | Aug 15 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is back to 'bribing' customers. http://www.seroundtable.com/archives/020590.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/169963/geekbargain_microsoft_doubles_cashback_incentives_for_bing_search.html | Aug 15 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Bribing as CNET and others called it | Aug 15 17:19 |
| schestowitz | For some reason, Microsoft employees found it offensive when I said Microsoft bribes, even though I did supply a lot of evidence. THe employees did not link to it though | Aug 15 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Rather, they made a comparison between me and... Unabomber ! :-) Hahaha | Aug 15 17:20 |
| schestowitz | No headline about Vista this week | Aug 15 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Only 10 about "dows 7" | Aug 15 17:21 |
| p_masho | so is one of you folks here running the blog ? | Aug 15 17:21 |
| schestowitz | p_masho: mostly group effort with me editing it | Aug 15 17:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | [12:17:12] <schestowitz> yay! Let's give Ballmer's people entire medical data, too | Aug 15 17:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I dont mind Ballmer knowing my medical data | Aug 15 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3 is here mostly insulting people, repelling them | Aug 15 17:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | somewhere in my medical records it states I have a 12 inch dick | Aug 15 17:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have no problem with him knowing my dick is 11 inches bigger than his | Aug 15 17:22 |
| schestowitz | See? Now you're filling the channel with junk again | Aug 15 17:22 |
| p_masho | maybe he's a bot ? | Aug 15 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Stop doing it to drive people away. Grow up | Aug 15 17:22 |
| schestowitz | p_masho: bad, bad bot | Aug 15 17:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | p_masho: I am not a bot | Aug 15 17:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: and Im not driving people away | Aug 15 17:23 |
| p_masho | schestowitz: nice effort there.. except maybe you shouls just create boycott microsoft as well.. | Aug 15 17:23 |
| p_masho | Diablo-D3: prove to me you are not a bot | Aug 15 17:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | p_masho: bots dont have 12 inch dicks | Aug 15 17:23 |
| p_masho | first what is a bot? and what is 12 inches long and sitts in a bottle ? | Aug 15 17:24 |
| *p_masho tooring test | Aug 15 17:24 | |
| p_masho | Diablo-D3: have you eaten an apple recently ? | Aug 15 17:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | okay I give up, whats 12 inches long and sits in a bottle | Aug 15 17:25 |
| schestowitz | OK, enough with this | Aug 15 17:25 |
| schestowitz | It adds no value to the coversation | Aug 15 17:25 |
| schestowitz | And it's vulgar | Aug 15 17:26 |
| *p_masho sorry | Aug 15 17:26 | |
| p_masho | whats your take on the SCO saga ? | Aug 15 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Later you have our adversaries quoting this stuff to say "this is what BN is like" | Aug 15 17:26 |
| schestowitz | p_masho: it's over, almost | Aug 15 17:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | man, SCO was over before it started | Aug 15 17:26 |
| p_masho | i know been following it closely.. | Aug 15 17:27 |
| schestowitz | SCO can't get money selling asets | Aug 15 17:27 |
| schestowitz | *assets | Aug 15 17:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what I dont like about SCO though? | Aug 15 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Their trustee won't let them | Aug 15 17:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | its obviously a microsoft plot | Aug 15 17:27 |
| p_masho | will be interesting to see where IT ends up ie Unix ? | Aug 15 17:27 |
| schestowitz | It's not quite | Aug 15 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Just a combination | Aug 15 17:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: btw, if I was their trustee I wouldnt let them either... you know why? | Aug 15 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft and others seeing how it helps them | Aug 15 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Maybe making a call to Darl, Sun, BayStar others, over time | Aug 15 17:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | what is SCO famous for? ding ding ding: claiming something was theirs and it wasnt | Aug 15 17:27 |
| schestowitz | THey DID invest in SCO | Aug 15 17:27 |
| p_masho | should be interesting to see what "assetts" the trustee comes up with .. | Aug 15 17:27 |
| schestowitz | What we don't know if whether they came to SCO to START the lawsuit | Aug 15 17:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | SCO's assets is basically office furniture | Aug 15 17:28 |
| schestowitz | And SUN's CEO said a company asked them to do something similar | Aug 15 17:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: yeah, but Sun couldnt gain from it | Aug 15 17:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | Sun was already investing in Linux at that point | Aug 15 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: You can f* kill Google with office furniture. Ask Ballmer | Aug 15 17:28 |
| p_masho | its interesting for me though.. | Aug 15 17:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: man, Ballmer scares me | Aug 15 17:29 |
| p_masho | I dont think you'd even get that case to UK court.. | Aug 15 17:29 |
| schestowitz | It'll be good if gentleman like Schmidt replaced him | Aug 15 17:29 |
| schestowitz | *men | Aug 15 17:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont know why Microsoft keeps doing this shit though | Aug 15 17:29 |
| p_masho | google schmit ? | Aug 15 17:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, if I was Bill Gates, I'd fire Ballmer | Aug 15 17:29 |
| p_masho | maybe mark shuttleworth will buy it ? | Aug 15 17:30 |
| schestowitz | We don't need countries that are run by a God-dictated imperialist and IT run by some lunatic | Aug 15 17:30 |
| schestowitz | The software industry suffered severly from Microsofgt | Aug 15 17:30 |
| schestowitz | THe Internet stil suffers from it | Aug 15 17:30 |
| schestowitz | We slowed down science where it matters | Aug 15 17:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I still believe Microsoft could be a useful asset | Aug 15 17:30 |
| *p_masho nods in agreement.. | Aug 15 17:30 | |
| schestowitz | Intel has a similar effect because it bribed vs AMD, but we have other form factors like phones, so... | Aug 15 17:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | if I had $xxx million laying around, I'd buy it | Aug 15 17:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | I seriously would | Aug 15 17:31 |
| p_masho | I write code.. and atmo a 2 year project is waiting for launch and I still bumping into windows problems with pyqt... | Aug 15 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has Office | Aug 15 17:31 |
| schestowitz | It's the only 'asset' | Aug 15 17:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | p_masho: python and qt both suck on windows | Aug 15 17:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | p_masho: combining them cant possibly be a good idea | Aug 15 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Not just because of the format monopoly | Aug 15 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Windows is as good as OpenSolaris in the sense that it's obsolete | Aug 15 17:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: opensolaris isn't obsolete though, solaris is | Aug 15 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Code is not pysical | Aug 15 17:32 |
| schestowitz | You can't forge two codebases so well | Aug 15 17:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | opensolaris is crap, sure, but they're rapidly moving in a useful direction | Aug 15 17:32 |
| schestowitz | You just take the better one | Aug 15 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Same with search engine back ends | Aug 15 17:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Aug 15 17:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | search engine backends doesnt mean what you think it does | Aug 15 17:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats a bad analogy | Aug 15 17:32 |
| schestowitz | OpenSOlaris has no users | Aug 15 17:32 |
| schestowitz | it's a good OS without many drivers | Aug 15 17:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | opensolaris has users, but the problem is it's userland is shit | Aug 15 17:33 |
| p_masho | the combination I'm using of pyqt+python with tortoise svn works perfectly in my situation - I can hot patch from home direct to client.. | Aug 15 17:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: again, not true | Aug 15 17:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: opensolaris is rapidly gaining drivers | Aug 15 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Fine. | Aug 15 17:33 |
| schestowitz | But it's not as widely deployed as Linux | Aug 15 17:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | I actually wish opensolaris was dead | Aug 15 17:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | you and I agree there | Aug 15 17:33 |
| schestowitz | And won't be any time soon cause of Ellison | Aug 15 17:33 |
| schestowitz | brb | Aug 15 17:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | p_masho: its not as good as everything on linux though | Aug 15 17:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | if windows gained the usability of linux, linux would be dead | Aug 15 17:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | hope and pray microsoft never discovers this | Aug 15 17:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista 7 is going to be messy based on the writings on the walll.. http://ping.fm/3NKkP (Windows 7 XP Mode Hits Patch Of Turbulence) | Aug 15 17:35 | |
| p_masho | well maybe I'm biased cos I'm here with Gnome and writing a pyqt app, with diual screen and it works cool. | Aug 15 17:36 |
| p_masho | the app's end target it windows.. | Aug 15 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Delusion. | Aug 15 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Windows 7 and its biggest rival – XP? | Aug 15 17:39 |
| schestowitz | So, since nobody has come forward with this killer feature and nobody can even highlight a killer feature that can be done in 7 that can’t in Linux I can only conclude that there isn’t one and the only draw I can see for Windows 7 is that “its better than Vista”. Maybe if you are an unhappy Vista user you can consider trying an alternative first to see if like me the dependency on Microsoft products is simply an addiction | Aug 15 17:39 |
| schestowitz | which really has no relevance in modern computing? | Aug 15 17:39 |
| schestowitz | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/08/15/windows-7-and-its-biggest-rival-xp/ | Aug 15 17:39 |
| p_masho | sI just saw windows 7 last week.. looks like a rip off of kde4 | Aug 15 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Yes, so I hear. I didn't try VIsta 7 | Aug 15 17:40 |
| schestowitz | I never tried VIsta, except for a few minutes at Dixons att he airport | Aug 15 17:40 |
| schestowitz | It's black XP | Aug 15 17:40 |
| schestowitz | On more powerful processors, obviously, for all that secretive bloat layer | Aug 15 17:41 |
| p_masho | anyway microsoft always follows a market so its predicable at least.. | Aug 15 17:41 |
| schestowitz | for (i=1:100000) sleep(1); // slow down system// /* must help Intel sell new processors */ | Aug 15 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Classic IDG: Sony's PS4 Coming Before Microsoft's Xbox Next? < http://www.pcworld.com/article/170008/sonys_ps4_coming_before_microsofts_xbox_next.html/ > | Aug 15 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Have a look. NOTHING about PS4 | Aug 15 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Just some shiny headlines with imaginary products and some ramble about Carmack. | Aug 15 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Useless tripe filling up the feeds | Aug 15 17:43 |
| schestowitz | I quite like what TechDirt does to news site, exposing the ills of the system where so-called "IP" is concerned | Aug 15 17:44 |
| p_masho | schestowitz: so u a developer, journalist, hacker, CEO, senator ? | Aug 15 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Savio: OpenOffice.org Inspired by Office -- Why? < http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/169935/openofficeorg_inspired_by_office_why.html > | Aug 15 17:45 |
| schestowitz | p_masho: citizen | Aug 15 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Lawyers rule the nest: http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/200908111854PR_NEWS_USPR_____DA60399.htm (McKool Smith: Judge Upholds Verdict, Enhances Damages, Issues Permanent Injunction Against Microsoft in Patent Infringement Lawsuit) | Aug 15 17:47 |
| p_masho | schestowitz: hey u want a BOT fot this channel ? am serious ? | Aug 15 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Lots of meta industries: lawyers, bankers, marketing... even Einstein wasted his talent as a clerk in the patent office | Aug 15 17:48 |
| p_masho | schestowitz: your in the states ? ie USA ? | Aug 15 17:49 |
| p_masho | schestowitz: cheer up friend.. | Aug 15 17:49 |
| p_masho | Things are not as bad as them seem.. News is getting around, linux and free stuff is out there and its will be there forever.. | Aug 15 17:50 |
| schestowitz | No, not the US | Aug 15 17:51 |
| p_masho | In a way I hope all MEGA coporations WIN, so they clamp down on peoples lives so much, they totally and outright reject it... | Aug 15 17:51 |
| schestowitz | I spoke about this earlier at the gym... some say the news tries getting people down | Aug 15 17:51 |
| schestowitz | But I think it's the opposite | Aug 15 17:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/11/obama_reverses_campaign_pledge_to_renegotiate | Aug 15 17:52 |
| schestowitz | fewa cited it | Aug 15 17:52 |
| p_masho | schestowitz: where ? | Aug 15 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Amy Goodman suggests the media tries to get people isolated and weaker so that they concede their rights and maybe become more hostile | Aug 15 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Now, I think it's a little bit the opposite | Aug 15 17:53 |
| schestowitz | THey downplay the issue so that people optimistically carry on | Aug 15 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Companies strive to increase profit without any account for externalities like the environment | Aug 15 17:53 |
| schestowitz | p_masho: fewa cited it earlier. This morning's discussion | Aug 15 17:54 |
| schestowitz | People can't reject that it's a partly political issue. Not just freedom vs closeness and exc. ownership | Aug 15 17:54 |
| schestowitz | This was recognised at early days at advocacy. Some people prefer not to be seen as antagonising parts of the system, Torvalds for example | Aug 15 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Wikipedia still lists his dad as one among those 'Reds' in Finland | Aug 15 17:55 |
| schestowitz | His dad, unlike the son, was a political activist. AFAICT, Linus distances itself from this, and someone from Finland showed me this (via email) | Aug 15 17:56 |
| p_masho | schestowitz: your moving the debate from being about Novell to the actual breakdown of commerce + society | Aug 15 17:56 |
| p_masho | maybe a lot of people believe what they read, written by someone else.. | Aug 15 17:57 |
| p_masho | Ok I'll nobble my part.. with Novell.. lets start there.. | Aug 15 17:57 |
| p_masho | First they come up with a cool system 3.5 and big manuals and box. | Aug 15 17:58 |
| schestowitz | there are rumours about an Apple tablet | Aug 15 17:58 |
| p_masho | it works it really fst and great and "its part of the cost" of running business... that was around mid ninties.. | Aug 15 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Apple must be reluctant to enter low-end versus Linux. Very small margins cannibalising Apple's other toys | Aug 15 17:59 |
| p_masho | How we already have a new operating system and ALL the applications ready to go.. for FREE... | Aug 15 17:59 |
| p_masho | schestowitz: its a business reality.. | Aug 15 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but many things are like that | Aug 15 18:00 |
| p_masho | My brothers run a company that sell/supply/deliver/24/7 small bsuinesses locally... | Aug 15 18:00 |
| schestowitz | You don't need to pay for oxygen | Aug 15 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Nor for logical code that runs programs on an arch of choice | Aug 15 18:00 |
| p_masho | however almost all the applications are windows. so thats the choice.. | Aug 15 18:00 |
| schestowitz | These are not real physical assets,except oxygen | Aug 15 18:00 |
| p_masho | its a platform.. | Aug 15 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Oxygen should 'cost' more than code | Aug 15 18:00 |
| schestowitz | p_masho: you mean DESKTOP applications\ | Aug 15 18:01 |
| p_masho | as a developer and writing "bespoke" I'm mixing.. | Aug 15 18:01 |
| p_masho | yes | Aug 15 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Platform->APIs | Aug 15 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft makes its own APIs on purpose | Aug 15 18:01 |
| p_masho | a cool product is Interbase.. oops now ? wahtever | Aug 15 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Applications should plug into any arch and platform | Aug 15 18:01 |
| p_masho | precisely. | Aug 15 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Unless, for (anti)competitive reasons, 'free' market if you will, you stifle this | Aug 15 18:02 |
| p_masho | so I'm writing my app in python 2.6 | Aug 15 18:02 |
| p_masho | with pyqt | Aug 15 18:02 |
| schestowitz | The Mono boys are trying to stick more Microsoft APIs in Linux | Aug 15 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Linux the kernel, too | Aug 15 18:02 |
| schestowitz | They put Hyper-V hooks in there, using Novell | Aug 15 18:02 |
| p_masho | writing the code here at my home office on a dual screen ubuntu/gnome.. and maintaing the online server from here | Aug 15 18:03 |
| p_masho | and users checkout from my svn directly to their machine.. | Aug 15 18:03 |
| p_masho | Mone is pontless.. | Aug 15 18:03 |
| p_masho | oops MONO IS POINTLESS | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | A guy who used to do contract work for Microsoft sent me the following E-mail yesterday | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | == | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | "We (the Debian CLI Libraries Team) are packaging IronRuby, IronPython | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | and the Dynamic Language Runtime for Debian. Much of the source in this | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | package is released under the Microsoft Public License: | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-cli-libs/packages/dlr-languages.git;a=blob;f=debian/copyright;h=74dc4d7f7144e9a0251fa2a32177332a01558d84;hb=f3c10b84cf5f12cb670d14232263ac81662ff714 | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | I asked my friend Brett if he would help us get it packaged up in RPM | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | format for Fedora. He tells me that the MS-PL is not on the approved | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | list for Redhat packages: | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | 14:55 < wakko666> cj: my main concern about packaging ironruby is licensing. | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Fedora will accept packages under the MS-Shared-Source | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | license, but the MS-PL isn't on their list of acceptable | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | license. | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | 14:58 < cj> wakko666: alrighty. jschementi is the guy to talk with about | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | licensing issues. He'll be back some time soon, I'm sure | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | 14:58 < wakko666> of course, i can always write the spec file and you guys can | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | host your own rpms, but it would be nice to actually get it | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | into Fedora proper. | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | 14:59 < cj> also, MS-PL is dfsg compliant and [OSI]-approved. Is it a decision | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | to deny MS-PL or that it just hasn't been reviewed yet? | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | 14:59 < wakko666> not sure. we'd need to ask on the fedora-legal-list mailing | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | list | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | 14:59 < wakko666> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#SoftwareLicenses | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | [ed: I mis-wrote OSL-approved] | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ms-pl.html | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | I do not see MS-PL on the DFSG wiki page: | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | However, Mono contains code licensed under MS-PL and it is part of the | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | main section, implying that it is compliant: | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-mono/packages/mono.git;a=blob;f=debian/copyright;h=3426e0c3f05891a267ebef547490c8dae999da96;hb=8b65c7c94ae3c808859fb1f2b90aeac92abc53e9 | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Are the MS-PL pieces of Mono stripped from the Fedora package of Mono? | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | mcs/class/MicrosoftAjaxLibrary/* | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | mcs/class/System.Web.Mvc/* | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Looking forward to your response, | Aug 15 18:03 |
| schestowitz | == | Aug 15 18:03 |
| p_masho | I tried it 3 times in the last 18 months ish and xplatform dont work. period ITS a bad idea.. | Aug 15 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Even licnce poisoning | Aug 15 18:04 |
| schestowitz | WHich platforms? | Aug 15 18:04 |
| schestowitz | POSIX/ | Aug 15 18:04 |
| *p_masho is there anything postitive on thsi channel ? | Aug 15 18:06 | |
| schestowitz | Google Caffeine Gets Two Thumbs Up < http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/google/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=219200321 > | Aug 15 18:07 |
| schestowitz | p_masho: sure | Aug 15 18:07 |
| schestowitz | But it discusses issue a lot of the time. There's also advocacy and spreading of the good news, at intervals | Aug 15 18:08 |
| p_masho | good I want to be the advacado + good news also ;-) | Aug 15 18:09 |
| p_masho | I have my lines now for dealing with "MD's" of small companies.. | Aug 15 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm.... it gets rainy here. Was nice and sunny an hour ago. | Aug 15 18:10 |
| schestowitz | p_masho: do you read the daily links in BN? | Aug 15 18:10 |
| schestowitz | It's only good news there | Aug 15 18:10 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/14/new-unbundling-fight/ | Aug 15 18:11 |
| p_masho | its on my "speed dial".. on a tab called FOO.. along with /. groklaw order and other titilations. | Aug 15 18:11 |
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| yuhong | BTW, it would be nice if you could elaberate on why 451 Group is better than the other analysts. | Aug 15 18:13 |
| *p_masho to MD at last meeting as it almost finished -- aham another think folks, make sure the version of WORD you using is legit in its counry of origin. There's a new court runing out in the USA and effectively you will geet a forces update that will actually leave your files there.. but you wont be able to read them".. | Aug 15 18:13 | |
| *p_masho answer was ".. but their my files".. i replied".. no their not, their bound in an american patent".. she anwered "so I better save the copy as text theren...??" | Aug 15 18:14 | |
| p_masho | schestowitz: u the designer fo the site... | Aug 15 18:15 |
| p_masho | Can teh website be changed to being "dynamic layout and wide pease".. its web2 time.... | Aug 15 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmmm.. | Aug 15 18:39 |
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| schestowitz | My plugin for YouTube download stopped working | Aug 15 18:39 |
| schestowitz | I used it for Oggs in BN | Aug 15 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Grreasemonkey issue maybe | Aug 15 18:39 |
| schestowitz | p_masho: too complex to change site layout now. Too much depends on it | Aug 15 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Damn... I hate it when plugins get messed up. THat's why distros stick with stable | Aug 15 18:40 |
| trmanco | lol | Aug 15 18:41 |
| trmanco | I actually like bleeding edge | Aug 15 18:41 |
| trmanco | at least this way you can't get too lazy | Aug 15 18:42 |
| p_masho | trmanco: precisely.. | Aug 15 18:42 |
| trmanco | I'm glad you agree :> | Aug 15 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Tough time near Microsoft: http://crosscut.com/2009/08/10/social-services/19159/ | Aug 15 18:43 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: YouTube downloaders have always been touch and go. YouTube changes stuff | Aug 15 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Had YouTube used <Video> and Ogg, it would not be necessary | Aug 15 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | People could not buy a house in Wal-mart | Aug 15 18:47 |
| schestowitz | It seems the media doesn't cover the phenomenon of tent cities quite as much as it should. | Aug 15 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Sell house, buy tent.. nobody even alerts the public about it | Aug 15 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Explains Why VMware Acquisition Will Fail http://rcpmag.com/blogs/lee-pender/2009/08/microsoft-explains-why-vmware-will-fail.aspx | Aug 15 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | Some say Microsoft killed Halo the move, Microsoft denies. http://kotaku.com/5334508/microsoft-halo-movie-still-on-hold | Aug 15 18:54 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft knew of critical Office ActiveX bug in '07 < http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=105FF4AD-1A64-67EA-E4FBCE49F0A43958 > | Aug 15 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Why is this in the news headline? Microsoft program manager sells Sammamish East 4BD < http://seattle.blockshopper.com/news/story/700032559-Microsoft_program_manager_sells_Sammamish_East_4BD > | Aug 15 19:03 |
| schestowitz | I'm starting to think that David Coursey is just a provocateur like Randall... now he also smashes Microsoft.. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/170211/new_office_2010_is_proof_microsoft_sabotaged_macintosh.html | Aug 15 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Preston Gralla | Aug 15 19:15 |
| schestowitz | "How Microsoft got its mojo back" | Aug 15 19:15 |
| schestowitz | The shills hardly try to hide themselves anymore. Very sloppy. | Aug 15 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Nothing about Silver Lie this week, other than some new distributor. Good. It's not going anywhere and the Web will stay accessible to GNU/Linux users. | Aug 15 19:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/11/AR2009081103507.html "It's not often that I give a thumbs-up to a program that's as buggy as Thunderbird..." What?????? I've used Thunderbird since 1.0 or earlier and it's actually very polished, except the newer RSS bits | Aug 15 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://sinaisix.blogspot.com/2009/08/ubuntu-linux-making-it-more-newbie.html | Aug 15 19:53 |
| ThistleWeb | just read that blog, the dude has a good point | Aug 15 20:09 |
| ThistleWeb | I was thinking a desktop shortcut solution before I got to the part in the post where he suggests that too | Aug 15 20:10 |
| ThistleWeb | the proprietary codec issue is always gonna be a stumbling block for linux, when most of the web and it's users use them | Aug 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Introducing the LEGO Netbook http://www.linux-netbook.com/video/introducing-the-lego-netbook | Aug 15 20:23 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: there used to be Automatix | Aug 15 20:24 |
| ThistleWeb | I beleive there still is, but how visible is it when you install ubuntu? | Aug 15 20:25 |
| schestowitz | There's a lot of provocation coming from SD Times recently. 'End of days for Sun' < http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=33680 > | Aug 15 20:25 |
| ThistleWeb | for peeps who are new and dont know why the codecs aren't there, is it easy for them to see that, why and how to fix it | Aug 15 20:25 |
| schestowitz | There are tip lists out there | Aug 15 20:25 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, but a shortcut to a page on the ubuntu site with a full walkthrough of enabling the medibuntu, then sudo apt-get install ..... wouldn't go a miss | Aug 15 20:26 |
| ThistleWeb | as well as a "why we cant ship it ready done for you" | Aug 15 20:27 |
| schestowitz | http://thelinuxexperiment.com/uncategorized/another-one-bites-the-dust/ | Aug 15 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Complainers | Aug 15 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Quick and dirty blog | Aug 15 20:28 |
| schestowitz | OpenSolaris Receives New X.Org VT Support http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzQ1NQ | Aug 15 20:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Thom Holwerda used to be a journalist on OSNews? http://bit.ly/19ZsX2 Now he just posts personal rants, mocking free software. How sad. | Aug 15 20:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Tips from the Experts http://ping.fm/N5NAw | Aug 15 20:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] House Analogy for Free Software versus Non-Free Software http://ping.fm/sasZI | Aug 15 20:48 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What If GNU/Linux Was in Disney Films http://ping.fm/LHzFk | Aug 15 20:51 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey yes, myself and others unsubscribed from OS News last year when he started this nonsense (Microsoft PR 24/7) | Aug 15 20:52 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Games Come to GNU/Linux (New and Old) http://ping.fm/uJDez http://ping.fm/US4Pd | Aug 15 20:56 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] Waiting at the philly shop. Well worth the time. | Aug 15 21:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Take care! Speak to you Sunday! | Aug 15 21:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple At Risk from Linux Phones http://ping.fm/u7ap3 | Aug 15 21:22 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks Cope Well with Xfce (and Vice Versa) http://ping.fm/8s4JT | Aug 15 21:27 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Altruism Builds Powerful and Free Software http://ping.fm/VTJEX | Aug 15 21:30 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Communication Already in Trouble http://ping.fm/Gf5EX http://ping.fm/T1gNr http://ping.fm/DYjLV | Aug 15 21:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Artists Find New Distribution Modalities http://ping.fm/qJbt5 | Aug 15 21:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Artist Turns Against the MAFIAA http://ping.fm/sBJMC | Aug 15 21:38 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oh My Word – How Patently Stupid http://ping.fm/Sp343 | Aug 15 21:42 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Flaming Lips Embrace Free Software-Like Business Model (Sell Labour, Not 'Code') http://ping.fm/pJwux | Aug 15 21:43 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft "Search Bribes" Are back http://ping.fm/RRVmL | Aug 15 21:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Antitrust Barriers Over Microsoft's Corporate Abuse of Yahoo! http://ping.fm/FsqsV | Aug 15 21:50 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's David Zilkha in the Midst of SEC Investigation http://ping.fm/GnZHm | Aug 15 21:52 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] oh dear what a pity never mind http://is.gd/2iAxU | Aug 15 21:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Vista 7 Looks Ugly Already, Microsoft's Enderle Shill Talks Vista 8 Vapourware Vista 7 Looks Ugly Already, Microsoft's Enderle Shill Tal ... | Aug 15 21:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Juniper Becomes Windows Vassal After Putting Microsoft Executives at Top... The people running this company (including CEO) are from Mic ... | Aug 15 22:00 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Massive Layoffs Rumoured at Microsoft, Refresh Needed Urgently http://ping.fm/49g3l http://ping.fm/LI7oL | Aug 15 22:01 | |
| desu | ◄BNc/#boycottnovell► [schestowitz] House Analogy for Free Software versus Non-Free Software http://ping.fm/sasZI <--- can anyone check if this link still works or if it's just me? | Aug 15 22:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gates Foundation Messes with Drugs http://ping.fm/CfZ8y | Aug 15 22:03 | |
| schestowitz | desu: let's see... | Aug 15 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm... | Aug 15 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Don't know what happened there. | Aug 15 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they change. | Aug 15 22:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2009081500135OPBZ | Aug 15 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Very different URL | Aug 15 22:04 |
| desu | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-08-15-001-35-OP-BZ | Aug 15 22:04 |
| desu | works | Aug 15 22:04 |
| desu | add a Z to the end of the url | Aug 15 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Will do | Aug 15 22:04 |
| desu | apparently, the only difference is the hyphens :D | Aug 15 22:05 |
| desu | and some other minore stuff | Aug 15 22:05 |
| desu | *minor | Aug 15 22:05 |
| desu | g'night | Aug 15 22:05 |
| schestowitz | You too | Aug 15 22:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Zune Too Little To Late (Nice Memorabilia Though) http://ping.fm/fNqyv | Aug 15 22:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft-Intel Collusion is Destroying Fine Products http://ping.fm/MDVrL http://ping.fm/W9cMJ | Aug 15 22:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Works great on Sub-notebooks http://ping.fm/tZlNb http://ping.fm/j5IDB | Aug 15 22:14 | |
| fewa | schestowitz, http://www.pcworld.com/article/169919/5_netbooks_microsoft_has_crushed.html thats brutal | Aug 15 22:20 |
| MinceR | dell once again shows they're in bed with m$ | Aug 15 22:21 |
| fewa | I booted up Linux on a my counsins computer and she didn't even notice | Aug 15 22:23 |
| fewa | just click on firefox icon and was off | Aug 15 22:24 |
| fewa | The netbook sellers just need to go back to Linux | Aug 15 22:27 |
| MinceR | dell won't do that | Aug 15 22:27 |
| fewa | and Microsoft needs to be presecuted for this clearly anti-competitive act | Aug 15 22:27 |
| fewa | it clearly violates the first-sale doctrine at least | Aug 15 22:28 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] gosh, America is so lucky not to have to have the NHS http://bit.ly/4elCW1 #welovethenhs | Aug 15 22:31 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: GNU/Linux also works great on my Acer Aspire 7220 laptop, better than pre installed Windows Vista. Using Ubuntu 9.04 on it. | Aug 15 22:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Also works great on my Dell Optiplex GX240, running Fedora 10/KDE 4.2.0 with Lancelot menu on it. | Aug 15 22:34 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] The brutal truth about America’s healthcare, Remote Area Medical charity medical care http://ur1.ca/97dg | Aug 15 22:35 | |
| schestowitz | fewa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1SfKX9JiOg&feature=fvw | Aug 15 22:35 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yes, seen it | Aug 15 22:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Running Debian "Leny" on my old school Cyrix IIM, with only 64 MiB EDO-RAM with LXDE and mostly Bash. Runs just fine ;-) | Aug 15 22:36 | |
| Diablo-D3 | lol edo drams | Aug 15 22:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know whats funny? everything after edo uses that technique | Aug 15 22:36 |
| MinceR | it's Lenny, not Leny :> | Aug 15 22:37 |
| MinceR | (and runs just fine on my ThinkPad W700 ;) ) | Aug 15 22:37 |
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| fewa | Yes sessions is a racist | Aug 15 22:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Once you are used to GNU/Linux, you will never turn back to the massacre which is called Microsoft Windows IMHO. | Aug 15 22:45 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: MS Windows is a piece of junk compared to GNU/Linux. If you are a "average" user, simply give Mandriva a shot. | Aug 15 22:46 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] How Darwin did it http://bit.ly/RU2lQ | Aug 15 22:56 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst : yes, I can trust Mandriva when recommending it. My brother uses it. | Aug 15 23:02 | |
| schestowitz | Heh. Darwin still disputed. | Aug 15 23:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShJwq3aPLMk&NR=1 | Aug 15 23:02 |
| schestowitz | People will carry on believing what they WANT to believe | Aug 15 23:02 |
| MinceR | i prefer Linux to Darwin. | Aug 15 23:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ0v5H3Uctw&NR=1 The Matrix Movie Mistakes | Aug 15 23:14 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: You are using Mandriva to, as far as I know. It has *great* hardware recognition. Better than Windwoes IMHO. | Aug 15 23:20 | |
| fewa | http://www.richarddawkins.net/article,4149,Dembski-Exam,William-A-Dembski---designinferencecom | Aug 15 23:22 |
| fewa | "provide at least 10 posts defending ID that you’ve made on “hostile” websites, the posts totalling 2,000 words, along with the URLs (i.e., web links) to each post (worth 20% of your grade)." | Aug 15 23:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | man | Aug 15 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know it was hot out | Aug 15 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | when its 72 and you can go outside and you can feel the heat radiating off the ground | Aug 15 23:24 |
| fewa | 72? | Aug 15 23:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | f | Aug 15 23:24 |
| schestowitz | This is a good explanatory video with some physics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg1fs6vp9Ok&feature=related | Aug 15 23:24 |
| fewa | yeah, but thats hot? | Aug 15 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | fewa: no, its 72 _now_ | Aug 15 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | it hit like 95 today | Aug 15 23:25 |
| fewa | I mean I live in washington, 72 is actually quite warm here | Aug 15 23:25 |
| fewa | aha | Aug 15 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im saying, it got a lot cooler and @ 72 the ground is still 95 x_x | Aug 15 23:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] US best health (rich) = UK worst (poor), at twice the price per head http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/7220 #welovethenhs | Aug 15 23:26 | |
| schestowitz | This one's more advanced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FPUutjtqfw&NR=1 | Aug 15 23:36 |
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| schestowitz | Did you know that Information Week actually published a press release inviting people to read the FUD item ("Linux irrelevant") and put similarly provocative statements in the press release asking for subscribers? I find this appalling, TBH. I only found this out the following day. | Aug 15 23:54 |
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