IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: September 2nd, 2009

_goblinschestowitz: Sorry, roy I missed your q...Sep 02 00:00
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_goblinschestowitz: what .net apps?Sep 02 00:00
DaemonFCwell, Xubuntu is supposedly for minimal systems and it all runs OK until you load FirefoxSep 02 00:00
DaemonFCthen the browser alone is using at least twice the RAM of Xubuntu itselfSep 02 00:00
trmancogo bullshit some other channelSep 02 00:00
DaemonFCit's not a good fit for a resource-conservative systemSep 02 00:00
_goblinok....blame FF then.Sep 02 00:01
DaemonFCwhich is why they've adopted Midori as the official XFCE browser in their goodies assortmentSep 02 00:01
_goblinso whats the issue?Sep 02 00:01
trmancorightSep 02 00:01
DaemonFCUbuntu is still packing in FirefoxSep 02 00:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Elf needs food, badly.Sep 02 00:01
_goblinand?Sep 02 00:01
DaemonFCit makes no sense whatsoeverSep 02 00:01
Diablo-D3how many fucking things are called midoriSep 02 00:01
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_goblinniether does the massive duplication in #!CBL, but theres always the option to remove/installSep 02 00:02
DaemonFCFirefox on Xubuntu is like having an ant try to carry an elephantSep 02 00:02
schestowitz_goblin: 'Net Apps'Sep 02 00:02
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: oh shut upSep 02 00:02
schestowitzApple-, Microsoft-, Opera-sponsoredSep 02 00:02
schestowitzLet's not fuel the nonsenseSep 02 00:02
_goblinschestowitz: what .net apps did I link to?Sep 02 00:02
DaemonFCso now schestowitz is trying to slander Opera tooSep 02 00:02
Diablo-D3schestowitz: op meSep 02 00:02
DaemonFCwell, I knew that wouldn't take longSep 02 00:02
schestowitzDiablo-D3: I can't trust you with that languageSep 02 00:03
DaemonFCschestowitz: The "not one of us, unnnnghhhhhh" routine is being applied a little thick don't you think?Sep 02 00:03
Diablo-D3schestowitz: dont worry, Im not going to say anythingSep 02 00:03
DaemonFCI mean every application that won't give up the source code and all thatSep 02 00:03
_goblinschestowitz: sorry Roy, I understood the Q, but I didnt know what you were refering to in me linking to them...Sep 02 00:03
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: Im not one of them eitherSep 02 00:03
schestowitzDaemonFC: you're warned nonetheless Sep 02 00:03
schestowitzYou troll a lot tonightSep 02 00:04
schestowitzTake a prozac, will you?Sep 02 00:04
schestowitzOr Ritalin, whatever the Doc prescribedSep 02 00:04
DaemonFCright after the pod people take theirsSep 02 00:04
neighborleeDaemonFC, lolSep 02 00:04
neighborleeDaemonFC, what a visual ;))Sep 02 00:05
neighborleeant better have   mechanical implants o_0Sep 02 00:05
DaemonFCthey're plants, not freaking cyborgsSep 02 00:05
DaemonFCget your scifi straightSep 02 00:05
DaemonFC:PSep 02 00:05
DaemonFCthe Borg is MicrosoftSep 02 00:05
DaemonFCthe FSF is the pod peopleSep 02 00:06
_goblinI look at MS as more like the Shadows from Babylon 5Sep 02 00:06
DaemonFCI liked the Shadows, they were coolSep 02 00:06
_goblinto be fair, they were.Sep 02 00:06
_goblinbut they were sneakySep 02 00:06
DaemonFCyou figure Microsoft will give me shadow skin and plasma beams for my battleships?Sep 02 00:06
DaemonFC:DSep 02 00:07
_goblinyep, and its controler would be a Psicore version of Ballmer...Sep 02 00:07
trmancomore like skin and blue screens for you battleshipsSep 02 00:07
DaemonFChmm, so does that make MSCEs and MVPs the telepaths with the implants in their heads that pilot the shadow vessels?Sep 02 00:07
DaemonFC:)Sep 02 00:07
_goblinyep, all the ones that BSOD'd and were buried on Mars when they were whipped by the Vorlons.Sep 02 00:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Note how much the "cloud" looks like a poo 02 00:08
DaemonFCand can we in fact disable the battle fleet amassing in Mars orbit by Earth beacon 001 by using these people?Sep 02 00:08
_goblinand the can't accuse me of not knowing my sci fiSep 02 00:08
DaemonFChmmm, I knew I heard screaming in my head whenever I powered on my computerSep 02 00:09
DaemonFCI had wondered about thatSep 02 00:09
DaemonFC:DSep 02 00:09
_goblinthats the fan....its the CPU overheating from too much bloat of Windows.Sep 02 00:09
DaemonFCactually, the CPU is running well within the expected temperature rangeSep 02 00:10
_goblineven Skynet would have had trouble running Vista at a decent speed.Sep 02 00:10
DaemonFCeven if I overclock it by 25%Sep 02 00:10
_goblinI think I'll stop there before sci talk annoys the decent people here on BN chat.Sep 02 00:10
DaemonFCthere you go, Windows 7 will achieve sentience and try wipe out the humans with our nuclear stockpileSep 02 00:11
_goblinone more: Get your sci fi right DaemonFC, it wasnt an OS that evolved was the network of computers composed of the internet....Sep 02 00:12
_goblincollective CPU intelligence...Sep 02 00:12
DaemonFCright right, but it was a botnetSep 02 00:12
DaemonFCcollectively, it became intelligentSep 02 00:12
_goblinthat rules out MS ever having a hand in Skynet then.Sep 02 00:13
DaemonFCwell, perhaps, but it would be running on Windows and it would be an Air Force black ops, right?Sep 02 00:14
DaemonFCso what says they didn't ship it in Windows?Sep 02 00:14
DaemonFCmaybe it lays dormant until it is neededSep 02 00:15
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DaemonFCI mean, you are talking about a distributed intelligence that would have to be as fault tolerant as the internet, right?Sep 02 00:15
DaemonFCso it would have to survive unexpected outages in internet connections, parts of the internet backbone, and any number of PCs that crashedSep 02 00:16
DaemonFCwhich means that the botnet would have to ensure that every piece of its consciousness was duplicated on at least several nodesSep 02 00:17
DaemonFCand if it nukes all of us, then how does it compress its entire being into one centralized system somewhere to avoid the systems destroyed by the nukes it launched destroying massive parts of itself too?Sep 02 00:18
DaemonFCAnd Mel Gibson sucks. Speaking of crappy plot elements, why did the aliens in Signs go to the trouble of conquering a planet that's almost 3/4ths water, not counting rain, air moisture, etc. if water is the only thing that can kill them?Sep 02 00:19
DaemonFCB-)Sep 02 00:20
Diablo-D3how does this make mel gibson suck?Sep 02 00:22
Diablo-D3he didnt write, direct, or produce the movieSep 02 00:22
DaemonFC_goblin: Now, if such a system like Skynet existed and became self aware, wouldn't it try to hide itself from us?Sep 02 00:22
DaemonFCWhat would it do after it exterminated us?Sep 02 00:22
Diablo-D3btw, skynet was produced to control the world's weaponsSep 02 00:23
DaemonFCDiablo-D3: The Passion of the ChristSep 02 00:23
Diablo-D3it decided we were the largest threat to world peaceSep 02 00:23
DaemonFCthere, no arguing with me now :DSep 02 00:23
_goblinIn regards to signs....I hated that didnt need aliens it was about a religious prediction...Sep 02 00:23
Diablo-D3its also a scifi movieSep 02 00:23
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: yes, its a movie about a guy dying for what he believed inSep 02 00:23
_goblin"Swing the bat"Sep 02 00:23
DaemonFC 02 00:24
DaemonFC:)Sep 02 00:24
_goblinwho died daemonfc?Sep 02 00:24
*Diablo-D3 populates his ignore listSep 02 00:24
_goblinin signs it was the wifeSep 02 00:24
Diablo-D3Im tired of the trollSep 02 00:24
_goblinthe father and children lived.Sep 02 00:24
Diablo-D3it was funny for awhileSep 02 00:24
DaemonFCit's been a while since I saw itSep 02 00:24
Diablo-D3but its just the same troll over and over, no new materialSep 02 00:24
_goblinknow your Sci-Fi....I can out geek the best of them.Sep 02 00:25
DaemonFCshe lived for hours with after the wreck, just long enough to tell him the messageSep 02 00:25
DaemonFCabout the space aliensSep 02 00:25
DaemonFC*hours afterSep 02 00:25
_goblinbut it wasnt a guy who died...Sep 02 00:25
Diablo-D3_goblin: just put DaemonFC on ignoreSep 02 00:25
DaemonFCwell, honestly, it's not something I've wanted to see againSep 02 00:26
DaemonFCMel Gibson is a religious fanatic/bigotSep 02 00:26
_goblinsorry Diablo.....he's got me on my favorite subject...sci fiSep 02 00:26
Diablo-D3so?Sep 02 00:26
Diablo-D3hes just trollingSep 02 00:26
_goblinand Im geeking.Sep 02 00:26
Diablo-D3he probably hasnt watched any of these movies anyhowSep 02 00:26
_goblinor nerding...Sep 02 00:26
_goblinnot sure which.Sep 02 00:26
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Diablo-D3no, nerding would be talking about which cockring captain kirk was wearing in a certian episodeSep 02 00:27
_goblinI can answer that!Sep 02 00:27
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Diablo-D3trick question: he doesnt need such silly gear in the 22nd centurySep 02 00:27
_goblinI don't know...he was a bit of a player.Sep 02 00:28
DaemonFCHow does PC World factor in Windows 7 not being on the market as a factor against IE?Sep 02 00:28
_goblinand was very culturally diverse when it came to alien partners....Sep 02 00:28
Diablo-D3hes also canadianSep 02 00:28
DaemonFCIE has been in every Windows release for 12 yearsSep 02 00:28
_goblinDiablo-D3: Did you know the words "Beam me up Scotty" were never mentioned on any episode or film of Star Trek? (offtopic and geeky I know)Sep 02 00:29
DaemonFC"Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes"Sep 02 00:29
DaemonFC"He's dead Jim, you get his tricorder and I'll grab his wallet"Sep 02 00:29
DaemonFC:)Sep 02 00:30
_goblinalways the red shirt who snuffed it...Sep 02 00:30
_goblinand usually male.Sep 02 00:30
DaemonFCyepSep 02 00:30
Diablo-D3_goblin: yes, Im well aware of thisSep 02 00:31
_goblin;) - So youre one of "us" too?Sep 02 00:31
DaemonFCwho isn't, it's where the term "redshirt" came fromSep 02 00:31
Diablo-D3Im not a troll, noSep 02 00:31
DaemonFCwell, in it's current useSep 02 00:31
DaemonFC 02 00:32
_goblinwell Im certainly not a troll Diablo-D3 and unlike you Ive never had Roy comment on my behaviourSep 02 00:32
DaemonFCthe original redshirtsSep 02 00:32
DaemonFCMichael Garibaldi in Babylon 5, the security chief, was a joke about thisSep 02 00:32
_goblinHe looked like Bruce WillisSep 02 00:32
DaemonFCafter his hair fell out, yeahSep 02 00:34
DaemonFCuncannySep 02 00:34
DaemonFCanyway, bblSep 02 00:35
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_goblinaww.  That was probably the first decent conversation Ive ever had with DaemonFC.Sep 02 00:36
cubezzz_goblin, did you noticed the transporter was different in the pilot?Sep 02 00:36
_goblinhe may pimp MS, but as far as SCI-FI is concerned, it was good fun talking to him...Sep 02 00:36
_goblincubezz: not off the top of my head.....mind you the new film rendered all that history rubbish now.Sep 02 00:37
_goblinPike was never crippled....Sep 02 00:37
cubezzzthey rebooted star trek then eh?Sep 02 00:38
cubezzzdidn't see the new movieSep 02 00:38
_goblincubezz: yep and that film made a mockery of all the fans like me that followed the tech and the history.Sep 02 00:38
_goblincubezz: the film was like an episode of Beverly Hills 90210Sep 02 00:39
cubezzzI have a recording of the original broadcast with 60's commercials intactSep 02 00:39
_goblincubezz: I hope you've saved that onto digital media.Sep 02 00:39
cubezzzright, well I figured I'd give it a miss, I like the originalSep 02 00:40
cubezzz_goblin, yesSep 02 00:40
_goblincubezz: the original was a little before my time.....well quite alot....ish.....Sep 02 00:40
_goblincubezz: but without doubt it was never bettered....Sep 02 00:41
cubezzzthere's a longer version of "Where no man has gone before" out thereSep 02 00:41
_goblincubezz: the only exception was when we saw the Tholians close up in Enterprise.....Sep 02 00:41
cubezzzclose to a complete hour in lengthSep 02 00:42
_goblinwhats the extra bits?Sep 02 00:42
cubezzzmore dialogue in the rec room at the beginning, more long corridor shotsSep 02 00:42
cubezzzI have to re-watch it, there's probably more :)Sep 02 00:43
_goblinah...then my friend you have outgeeked me on that episode....never seen the extended version...Sep 02 00:43
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cubezzzI think the original is out on bluray nowSep 02 00:44
cubezzzprobably the reworked CGI version, not sureSep 02 00:44
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cubezzzrecording is 1969Sep 02 00:52
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Andre, since we link blogs, how about a follow? Don't you miss the MS watch days? #microsoft #linux #fossSep 02 01:19
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twitterYou just don't get a more clear declaration of policy than this ->  Old UNIX guard attempting to hijack Linux to go after Sun. This will drive a wedge between the original Linux champions who are for “free” software and the established commercial UNIX “old guard” further confusing customers. Old UNIX guard want to adopt the UNIX business model where they provide proprietary differentiation on top of a common base as they reSep 02 02:40
twitterThat was from year 2000Sep 02 02:40
twitter9 years later, M$ is still trying to create divisions and fightsSep 02 02:40
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cubezzzstill not clear on why Microsoft wasn't broken upSep 02 04:57
balzacmicrosoft is going down!Sep 02 04:57
balzaccubezzz: bush stole the election in 2000Sep 02 04:57
cubezzzhmmmSep 02 04:57
balzacI think microsoft probably helped him steal it. payback was cancelling the judge's ruling to break it in twoSep 02 04:57
cubezzzwho cancelled it though?Sep 02 04:58
balzacthey were told to break office and OS departments into two companies, IIRCSep 02 04:58
balzacnot sure, but it happened under bushSep 02 04:58
DaemonFCbalzac: Thank you Dan Rather, Mr. 60 MinutesSep 02 04:58
balzacalso, the lawyer, David Boise was the prosecutor against microsoft and the representative of Al Gore in Bush vs GoreSep 02 04:58
DaemonFCfor bringing this up to the minute headlineSep 02 04:58
balzacDaemonFC: eat a biscuitSep 02 04:58
cubezzzok, I think I've found itSep 02 04:59
balzacinteresting connection though, eh? Same lawyer, David BoiseSep 02 04:59
cubezzz"The Appellate Court affirmed and reversed parts of Jackson's ruling. "Sep 02 04:59
DaemonFChmmm, how's his career as a lawyer after two most botched cases in the last decade?Sep 02 04:59
balzacalso, Microsoft windows was on the vote tallying machinesSep 02 04:59
DaemonFCthe voting machiens don't use WindowsSep 02 05:00
DaemonFCliarSep 02 05:00
cubezzzcould be a joke :)Sep 02 05:00
balzacDaemonFC: he was right. He won the case against M$ and then the Supreme Court of Reich Wing Ayatollahs overruled the Supreme court of Florida to stop the recountSep 02 05:00
balzacit was a couptSep 02 05:00
balzaccoupSep 02 05:00
DaemonFCIt's just a simple LCD display where you make your selections by pressing the corresponding buttonSep 02 05:00
cubezzz"he most important reversal was the decision not to break up the company; Microsoft is cheering this reversal as total victory."Sep 02 05:00
balzacDaemonFC: dog-biscuitSep 02 05:00
DaemonFCyou'd have to be pretty ******* stupid to mess that upSep 02 05:00
balzacI said the "VOTE TALLYING MACHINES"Sep 02 05:00
balzacdon't call me a liar again or I'll ask Roy to ban youSep 02 05:01
balzacand yes, a large percentage of them ran windowsSep 02 05:01
DaemonFCOK, proof?Sep 02 05:01
balzacmaking them insecureSep 02 05:01
DaemonFCsources?Sep 02 05:01
twitterare there any voting machines that don't use Winblows in the US?Sep 02 05:01
cubezzz"Judge Jackson failed to provide adequate reasons for a company breakup."Sep 02 05:01
balzacDaemonFC: not my problem. I state it as fact based on my credibility.Sep 02 05:01
DaemonFCthe one I voted on didn't use WindowsSep 02 05:02
twitterDibold and others all use that crap.Sep 02 05:02
balzaccubezzz: to whom? He's the judge, he gave his ruling.Sep 02 05:02
balzaca new microsoft friendly DOJ must have over turned itSep 02 05:02
DaemonFCbalzac: You are suspicious due to your seeming inability to cite sourcesSep 02 05:02
cubezzz 02 05:02
DaemonFCtending me to believe you are lyingSep 02 05:02
DaemonFCthereSep 02 05:02
DaemonFC:)Sep 02 05:02
balzacas payback to Bush for stealing the election? Possibly.Sep 02 05:02
twitterwindowsitpro, there's a good source of informationSep 02 05:02
twittermight as well ask Bill Gates.Sep 02 05:03
DaemonFCyou could rig an election using "GNU/Linux" btwSep 02 05:03
twitterafter a little furious rocking back and forth in his chair, he'll come up with what he thinks is a clever lieSep 02 05:03
balzacDid Bill Gates help abort Al Gore's presidency in its infancy? It's worthy of investigation.Sep 02 05:03
DaemonFCthere's nothing about the software that makes it any easier or harderSep 02 05:03
balzacDaemonFC: much more secure, code is auditable, transparency is a pre-requisite for secure electionsSep 02 05:04
DaemonFCI don't care what they use, they could rig it using any software they put on thereSep 02 05:04
balzacbut it shouldn't be electronic anywaySep 02 05:04
twitterBill Gates is one of many who control US press.  He's bought more of it than most and has a disproportionate voice, but there are others.Sep 02 05:04
DaemonFCoh bull, Linux, Windows, if they put it on there, they can cheat the systemSep 02 05:04
balzacI never proposed electronic voting without a paper trailSep 02 05:04
balzacDaemonFC: you keep inferring things I didn't saySep 02 05:04
DaemonFCthe only important thing is whether there is a certified paper printout, balzacSep 02 05:04
twitterBetter to say that a paper trail is a good idea.Sep 02 05:05
DaemonFCLinux wouldn't make the machines any more secure, you stil lcan't verify the results without a paper trailSep 02 05:05
balzacDaemonFC: you might as well be talking to a PhD on this subjectSep 02 05:05
balzac*nix is more secure by default.Sep 02 05:05
DaemonFCno it's notSep 02 05:05
twitterdesignSep 02 05:05
balzacand I agree re: the paper trail. it's essential.Sep 02 05:05
DaemonFCif the voting machine maker wrote a ballot box stuffing program for LinuxSep 02 05:05
DaemonFChow does that help us?Sep 02 05:05
balzacthat's why i'm no proponent of electronic voting systems without fully auditable paper trail, and ultimately a paper countSep 02 05:06
DaemonFCa more secure ballot box stuffing machine because it runs GNU/Linux?Sep 02 05:06
balzacDaemonFC: no proprietary software should be used in any public voting system.Sep 02 05:06
DaemonFCyou're absurdSep 02 05:06
cubezzzI voted with a pencil (that's what I was given) which I thought was odd :)Sep 02 05:06
twitterthat is a reasonable demandSep 02 05:06
balzacDaemonFC: focus on the debate, not on your opinion of meSep 02 05:06
cubezzzwhy not a pen?Sep 02 05:06
DaemonFCwell, you're wrong if you jsut think slapping Linux on there would fix anythingSep 02 05:06
balzaccubezzz: you can vote on paper, but then they put it in an "optiscan" attached to a windows machineSep 02 05:07
twitterfree software is a reasonable demand, not a writing instrumentSep 02 05:07
DaemonFCit still doesn't make it any harder for them to defraud the electionSep 02 05:07
balzacwhoops, there went your electoral integrity. Even DaemonFC agrees on this.Sep 02 05:07
twitterany paper trail is goodSep 02 05:07
balzacpresumablySep 02 05:07
balzacpaper is essentialSep 02 05:07
cubezzzyeah but pencil is eraseableSep 02 05:07
balzacWhat did Stalin say, for 100 points?Sep 02 05:07
DaemonFCthe voting machine software is irrelevant without a verified paper printoutSep 02 05:07
twitterhe who counts the vote decides the electionSep 02 05:08
balzacIt's not the voters, but the vote-counters who determine the outcome. (paraphrasing)Sep 02 05:08
balzactwitter++ x 100Sep 02 05:08
cubezzzso what's the solution?Sep 02 05:08
balzacDaemonFC: wrongSep 02 05:08
twitterrule of lawSep 02 05:08
DaemonFCthe only reason Linux would matter on a voting machine is if it saved taxpayer money by avoiding Windows licensing feesSep 02 05:09
DaemonFCwhich is why I actually think it should be usedSep 02 05:09
balzacthe voting machine software is not irrelevant, it's the first official tally. We never got to see the paper count because they claimed a fraudulent victory.Sep 02 05:09
DaemonFCbut it won't stop any cheatingSep 02 05:09
_Hicham_Mr DaemonFCSep 02 05:09
balzacAnyway, it's possible Microsoft helped Bush to keep from having their company split in two.Sep 02 05:09
balzacquite plausible.Sep 02 05:09
twitterBush helped all sorts of fat cats.  It was one of the most corrupt administrations on record.Sep 02 05:10
balzacno kiddingSep 02 05:10
DaemonFCtwitter: He had a lot of competition for thatSep 02 05:10
balzacAnd Microsoft considers themselves above the law.Sep 02 05:10
cubezzzCheney seemed to think torture was "good" :-0Sep 02 05:10
DaemonFCCarter was probably right after Dubya for most corrupt/incompetent administrationSep 02 05:11
balzacnahSep 02 05:11
balzacNixon, then ReaganSep 02 05:11
Diablo-D3to be fairSep 02 05:11
Diablo-D3when you're that bigSep 02 05:11
Diablo-D3you have to be above the lawSep 02 05:11
Diablo-D3I mean, unless you want to be under itSep 02 05:11
twitterSome think the neo-cons are planning a violent take over, complete with reign of terror.Sep 02 05:11
Diablo-D3I dont judgeSep 02 05:11
balzacDiablo-D3: I do judge if MS had anything to do with Bush's stolen electionsSep 02 05:12
DaemonFCto tell you the truth, I don't really like any of them, based on what they've done, all the way back to John Kennedy, he was alrightSep 02 05:12
Diablo-D3balzac: they didntSep 02 05:12
balzactwitter: they're always planning thatSep 02 05:12
DaemonFCClinton was probably neutral leaning negativeSep 02 05:12
balzacDiablo-D3: says youSep 02 05:12
DaemonFCthe rest have been pure corruptionSep 02 05:12
Diablo-D3the vote machines ran windows but not because microsoft is easySep 02 05:12
Diablo-D3its because the vote machine manufs suck at product designSep 02 05:12
twitternow they have their little prisons set up, complete with torture for dissidents.Sep 02 05:12
balzacDiablo-D3: I consider it the height of stupidity to even have electronic voting without paper backupSep 02 05:12
cubezzzTaft wasn't corrupt, there's at least oneSep 02 05:13
DaemonFCas far as I'm concerned, Clinton only had one truly big blemish on his record, NAFTASep 02 05:13
balzacI guess microsoft cares more about quarterly profits than American democracySep 02 05:13
cubezzzsure he liked to eat but...Sep 02 05:13
Diablo-D3I consider electronic voting stupid altogetherSep 02 05:13
DaemonFCcompared to Bush, he was perfectSep 02 05:13
Diablo-D3just use the fucking internet alreadySep 02 05:13
balzacI'd never apply information technology in such a way as to undermine democracySep 02 05:13
twitterWhat did they call them?  Something about Communications Management Facilities.  Where people can be locked up for bat shit laws like inciting people to protest.Sep 02 05:13
DaemonFCtwitter: According to the DHS, first amendment-protected peaceful protesting is terrorist activitySep 02 05:14
DaemonFCyou did notice that, right?Sep 02 05:14
twitterM$'s profits are falling through the floor.  The worse they mess things up, the worse the economy and their profits get.Sep 02 05:14
DaemonFCinciting a riot is not protected, but mere protesting isSep 02 05:14
balzaci don't know how one goes about "inciting a riot"Sep 02 05:15
DaemonFCso far the only groups I've seen inciting a riot are the Republican healthcare reform protestersSep 02 05:15
DaemonFCthe ones bringing guns to town hall meetings with the PresidentSep 02 05:15
balzacDaemonFC: they incite violence against Obama and supportersSep 02 05:15
cubezzzbalzac, it's happened at rock concerts :)Sep 02 05:15
DaemonFCwhile I get frisked and have bottles of shampoo dumped by the TSA before I get on a planeSep 02 05:15
balzaca "riot" has no meaning without specifying who is the enemySep 02 05:15
twitterit's just another form of SLAPP, but this one criminalizes the victim and gets them out of the way.Sep 02 05:16
DaemonFCf-ing idiots running this placeSep 02 05:16
balzaclots of high-ranking republican office holders are saying things which ought to be illegalSep 02 05:16
DaemonFCbalzac: I think bringing a gun to an area near the president while holding a sign saying "The tree of liberty needs refreshed with the blood of tyrants" is pretty good cause for them to arrest youSep 02 05:17
balzacidaho gubernetorial candidate jokes about a hunting license for the presidentSep 02 05:17
DaemonFCdon't you?Sep 02 05:17
balzacChuck Grassley uses a slogan "kill obamacare"Sep 02 05:17
cubezzzyeah that's not goodSep 02 05:17
twittera popular song calls for "bomb iran"Sep 02 05:17
balzacI was even afraid to say "bill kush" when bush was president, and so I didn't.Sep 02 05:17
DaemonFCprobably the only reason the Secret Service is leaving those gun nuts alone is that they don't want to fan the flames of the "militia" idiotsSep 02 05:18
balzaci agreeSep 02 05:18
balzacbut they are being investigatedSep 02 05:18
balzacand observedSep 02 05:18
DaemonFCtell you what though, they're crazy if they don't have those gun nuts targeted by sharpshooters at all times during the protestSep 02 05:18
DaemonFC:)Sep 02 05:18
balzacgovernors, members of congress are openly saying treasonous thingsSep 02 05:19
balzaccessession for example, sedition, treason, assassination jokesSep 02 05:19
cubezzzTexas talked about secessionSep 02 05:19
balzacnot texas but a few morons from texasSep 02 05:20
cubezzzand of course Quebec talks about separation, but it never happensSep 02 05:20
balzacalaska former governor as wellSep 02 05:20
DaemonFCbalzac: I'm not some cookie cutter liberal, but I'm not to the far right either, and I think that people encouraging the assassination of *any* President need to be arrested and charged with a crimeSep 02 05:20
DaemonFCit's not a laughing matterSep 02 05:20
balzaci agreeSep 02 05:20
twitterthat's too bad.  I like Quebec -> cubezzz: and of course Quebec talks about separation, but it never happensSep 02 05:20
balzaci only ever floated the idea of a lawful hanging of president bushSep 02 05:21
balzaci never endorsed assassination or any illegal violence against himSep 02 05:21
twitterjustice is good for allSep 02 05:21
balzacit was always impeach, war-crimes tribunal, and then let the chips fall where they maySep 02 05:21
DaemonFCpolitical assassinations are so "dark ages", only people who are clearly wrong and have lost their side of the argument would push for themSep 02 05:21
balzacup to and including capital punishmentSep 02 05:21
twitterbut the death penalty is a bad ideaSep 02 05:21
balzacprobably, but it was also a free speech pointSep 02 05:22
_Hicham_a shoe punishment is a good ideaSep 02 05:22
balzacthere are cases when I can see itSep 02 05:22
balzacmuntadar al zaidi deserves a medal of freedomSep 02 05:22
balzache's about to get out with an early releaseSep 02 05:22
twittera shoe slap  on the wrist.  somehow that's not justiceSep 02 05:22
DaemonFCI support capital punishment, but I don't think it should ever be used unless the crime was murder and that there is *no doubt* at *all* that the accused did itSep 02 05:22
balzaccan't wait for him to be on the Today Show or somethingSep 02 05:22
DaemonFCif there is any shred of  doubt, it should be commuted to life sentenceSep 02 05:23
balzacDaemonFC: that's why I only support capital punishment for war criminals of such prominence, their guilt cannot be in doubtSep 02 05:23
DaemonFCeven one innocent person being executed is one person too manySep 02 05:23
balzacnot for random criminals who murderSep 02 05:23
balzaci agreeSep 02 05:23
balzacbut it makes sense for hitlerSep 02 05:23
balzacsome guys are so powerful, their victims cannot rest until they're deadSep 02 05:23
DaemonFCthere are people who could have been sentenced to death, but got life in prison instead and were cleared 25 years laterSep 02 05:24
balzacbecause they can call the shots from prison, even arrange a coup from prisonSep 02 05:24
DaemonFCwhat if they were sentenced to death?Sep 02 05:24
DaemonFCit would have been carried out alreadySep 02 05:24
balzacthere has been an innocent man executed according to Barry ScheckSep 02 05:24
balzacI believe himSep 02 05:24
balzacI'd settle for Bush going to prison for lifeSep 02 05:25
balzacIt doesn't have to be capital punishment, but it would send a sobering message.Sep 02 05:25
twitterbuild a better prison. -> because they can call the shots from prison, even arrange a coup from prisonSep 02 05:25
balzactwitter: if they have access to legal counsel, they can send messages outSep 02 05:25
balzacthrough their legal counselSep 02 05:25
DaemonFCwell, there are people who are not of the "criminal mind" who short out and commit crimes of passion, and that's a good defense, and that's why there's second degree murder, there's people that lose control of their car on an icy road and hit someone, and that's involuntary manslaughterSep 02 05:25
DaemonFCthe motivation for the crime always has to be considered carefullySep 02 05:26
twitterat some point, they no longer need that.Sep 02 05:26
balzacHitler ought to have been executed if he hadn't committed suicideSep 02 05:26
balzacafter a lengthy trial, of courseSep 02 05:26
DaemonFCthen there are people who are of a criminal mind and no punishment on earth will stop them from doing terrible thingsSep 02 05:26
DaemonFCthose are the people who should be death row candidatesSep 02 05:26
balzacSaddam - I wasn't concerned for his life, only the information which died with him. He could have testified great details about Bush Jr. and Sr.Sep 02 05:26
DaemonFCthey don't exactly mingle with the inmate populationSep 02 05:27
DaemonFCthey end up killing other prisonersSep 02 05:27
DaemonFCguardsSep 02 05:27
DaemonFCnursesSep 02 05:27
balzacI was against Saddam's execution because of that information he knew, and the illegitimacy of the trial.Sep 02 05:27
DaemonFCbalzac: I beleive he should have been turned over to the international criminal courtSep 02 05:28
balzacI'd be in favor of an execution for Osama Bin Laden, but only after years of extracting and verifying information to build the historical knowledge of his crimes.Sep 02 05:28
DaemonFCto face a war crimes tribunalSep 02 05:28
balzacDaemonFC: trueSep 02 05:28
DaemonFCit still wouldn't be fair, but it would be as fair as it could beSep 02 05:28
balzacBut when you execute a very popular madman, it energizes his followers and makes him a martyrSep 02 05:29
DaemonFCthe problem with being tried by a government put in place by an occupying force is that it never can look legitimateSep 02 05:29
balzacso I'd favor a very secure incarceration for life for all terrorists and war-criminalsSep 02 05:29
balzacjust don't let them be like John Wayne Gayce, painting, cultivating a fan-baseSep 02 05:29
DaemonFCbalzac: I'd say put him in ADMAX FlorenceSep 02 05:29
balzacthey shouldn't have that much public accessSep 02 05:29
balzacsounds goodSep 02 05:30
DaemonFCit's hardly a comfortable existenceSep 02 05:30
balzacsome liberals are confused about law enforcement and justice, but basically all conservatives are as wellSep 02 05:30
DaemonFCthey're only allowed out of the cell for one hour per day to exerciseSep 02 05:30
balzacI think of myself as a modern HammurabiSep 02 05:31
DaemonFCit avoids making martyrsSep 02 05:31
DaemonFCit would essentially put him in storage for the rest of his lifeSep 02 05:31
balzacJust so long as they can't influence society from prison, like some of these sick murderers, writing letters to admirers, selling art, authoring memoirsSep 02 05:31
balzacthat's crapSep 02 05:31
DaemonFChe'd spend every day wishing he could die and not being allowed to dieSep 02 05:32
balzacLeonard Peltier should be outSep 02 05:32
DaemonFCwhich is enough punishment to satisfy me anywaySep 02 05:32
balzacBush should be inSep 02 05:32
balzacok, bblSep 02 05:32
DaemonFCit's pretty much where we send the worst offendersSep 02 05:32
DaemonFCeven Charles Manson isn't bad enough to go thereSep 02 05:33
DaemonFCthe guy that runs the HeliOS blog is not only condescending, he took the absolute wrong approach to the problem he describedSep 02 05:48
DaemonFCregarding this nurse's laptopSep 02 05:48
DaemonFCChances are he didn't need to install IEs4Linux on her laptop so that she could log into the hospital's networkSep 02 05:49
DaemonFCI'm assuming he means they use NTLM or ADS, which IE can handshake with of course, but there's also a number of ways to authenticate with other browsersSep 02 05:50
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DaemonFCI assume he has limited experience and installing IE into Linux through Wine was probably the quickest way around the problem that he sawSep 02 05:51
DaemonFC 02 05:52
DaemonFCthis would have done the same job, better in factSep 02 05:52
DaemonFCthat's even assuming the distribution didn't provide for thatSep 02 05:52
DaemonFCFedora and OpenSuse do, Mandriva does tooSep 02 05:52
DaemonFCI've never used Linux Mint though but if it's Ubuntu-based I probably know everything about it I want toSep 02 05:53
twittergo get 02 05:58
DaemonFCThe George Bush hates black people crowdSep 02 05:59
twitterPalast has made the mistake of partnering with Amazon but his movie should be excellent.Sep 02 05:59
DaemonFCact like it's the government's fault that they couldn't get off their asses and get out of town themselvesSep 02 05:59
DaemonFCor shot at the rescue workers when help arrivedSep 02 06:00
twittergot there via 02 06:01
DaemonFCtwitter: George Bush caused KatrinaSep 02 06:02
DaemonFCwith his magical anti-black people weather control machineSep 02 06:02
DaemonFC:)Sep 02 06:02
DaemonFCI guess Ray Nagin and the "Chocolate City" will persevere thoughSep 02 06:02
DaemonFCwherever there's a Walmart to lootSep 02 06:03
DaemonFCtwitter: 02 06:03
DaemonFCCops loot Wal*Mart after Katrina in New OrleansSep 02 06:04
DaemonFC 02 06:05
DaemonFCchocolate citySep 02 06:05
DaemonFC 02 06:07
DaemonFC 02 06:08
DaemonFClonger version of police looting the WalmartSep 02 06:09
DaemonFClol @ 1:26, black guy stealing a stereoSep 02 06:10
DaemonFCThat guy has a set of balls though, going into a Walmart that's being looted by hundreds of people in downtown New OrleansSep 02 06:12
DaemonFCthey should give him an award  for having the guts to go in thereSep 02 06:13
DaemonFCof course it tells you how those people think doesn't it?Sep 02 06:13
DaemonFCthey're not stealing food and diapers and baby formula and clothesSep 02 06:14
DaemonFCthey're stealing bikes and TVs and stereosSep 02 06:14
DaemonFCtwitter: You can't spin this one, if they were that bad off, they'd be looting essentials, not big screen TVsSep 02 06:15
DaemonFCI don't know what could possibly possess someone to live in the deep south though, it's like "Oh look honey, there's an alligator on the car and here comes another hurricane! Let's stay!"Sep 02 06:17
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DaemonFC"Hardware hooks in Intel's new chips will help Windows 7 deliver performance gains when running applications like DVD playback compared to Windows Vista, the companies said in a joint press briefing on Tuesday."Sep 02 06:32
DaemonFCHow much hardware does it take to play a DVDSep 02 06:32
DaemonFCI'm pretty sure I was doing that on Windows 95Sep 02 06:32
neighborleeoh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to decieve when help was what was needed, though judgement and neglect were seeded ;)oh,hurrah o_0Sep 02 06:32
DaemonFCneighborlee: Humanity is defined by the contempt and hatred we have for everyone and everything that does not meet our "ideals"Sep 02 06:33
DaemonFCit's just how we areSep 02 06:33
neighborleeits how some of us are ;)Sep 02 06:34
DaemonFCrather like dogs sniffing each others assesSep 02 06:34
neighborleeothers attempt to rise above itSep 02 06:34
neighborleeymmvSep 02 06:34
neighborlee:)Sep 02 06:34
DaemonFCnobody rises above anythingSep 02 06:38
DaemonFClife is survival, beating the other guy over the head, mating, and dyingSep 02 06:38
DaemonFCwe seem to think we have a finer grain of control over our lives than an animal, but the overall description is the sameSep 02 06:39
DaemonFCat least when animals fight and kill each other it's because they're hungry, not because they want the other guys land and natural resourcesSep 02 06:40
DaemonFCand they don't leave minefields and dangerous weapons behind when they goSep 02 06:40
DaemonFCit must be terribly frustrating that we've gotten so good at war that nobody can have a real war anymoreSep 02 06:41
DaemonFCbeating up a country with 30 year old Soviet hand me downs is hardly an accomplishmentSep 02 06:42
neighborleeyou almost sound  like my friend who thinks government is out to get him, masons are devil worshipers, women are to be screwed butnot married as they are after his money anyway and is meant to  play games and beyond that who cares, cause we're going to die anyway in 2012 ;),,a real glass half full guy ey ? ;)Sep 02 06:44
neighborleenobody,,certainly not god said any of this was going to be is often what we make itSep 02 06:44
neighborleeoh-wellSep 02 06:44
DaemonFCMasons are devil worshippersSep 02 06:46
DaemonFCthey're like the Scientologists, they try to hide all the really freaky shit til they already have you indoctinatedSep 02 06:47
neighborleeyou have got to be kiddingSep 02 06:48
neighborleeno wait I dont think youareSep 02 06:48
neighborlee?Sep 02 06:48
neighborlee:)Sep 02 06:48
neighborleeive seen all the videos...the dollar bill conspiracy...yaddaSep 02 06:48
neighborleehowsever I knew my father , the kind of man he was..I can assure you they dont worsihp mother would have known ;)Sep 02 06:49
neighborleeuNless of course, its only something HIGH level masons knew about o_0Sep 02 06:49
neighborleeif so well ,,then i'd have no idea but I do know my father wasn't the type of man to be involved with anything of the sortSep 02 06:50
neighborleeand thats not just a 'my dad' deal..thats objective 100%Sep 02 06:50
Diablo-D3the government isnt out to get youSep 02 06:51
Diablo-D3they already had you long before you were bornSep 02 06:51
Diablo-D3its a little late to get all conspiracy theoryeySep 02 06:51
DaemonFCneighborlee: They worship LuciferSep 02 06:52
DaemonFCit's a difference in what you want to call SatanSep 02 06:52
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neighborleebased on what documentarySep 02 06:53
neighborleeno one owns meSep 02 06:53
neighborleeperiodSep 02 06:53
DaemonFCthey are truly bizarreSep 02 06:53
neighborleedid you get pictures ?Sep 02 06:54
DaemonFCthey try to do "charity" work to make it look like they're part of the communitySep 02 06:54
DaemonFClike any religion, they use people like pawnsSep 02 06:54
DaemonFCto recruit and get more moneySep 02 06:54
Diablo-D3you automatically think its a bad thingSep 02 06:54
DaemonFCthe Masons are like the Mary Kay ladies of the antichristSep 02 06:55
DaemonFCit's rather amusingSep 02 06:55
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twitterMore newspapers bite the dust 02 07:02
neighborleeI wonder if they also have a new orleans bashing branch..that might be intriguingSep 02 07:02
twitterFreedom Communications, owner of 30 newspapers and 8 TV stations is bankrupt.Sep 02 07:03
DaemonFCneighborlee: It's the Chocolate CitySep 02 07:03
DaemonFCper decree of their racist mayorSep 02 07:03
DaemonFCRay Nagin is like the Marion Barry of New OrleansSep 02 07:04
neighborleeDaemonFC, I agree its a risk to live there atm...I consider extending a hand to entire city to come live with you on your million acre ranch ;)Sep 02 07:04
neighborleesend me picturesSep 02 07:04
twitter->  Industrywide ad revenue fell 29 percent to $6.82 billion in the second quarter from $9.6 billion a year earlier, according to figures released by the Newspaper Association of America. Ad sales dropped 28 percent in the first quarter, the Arlington, Virginia-based trade group said.     The drought has forced publishers to cut jobs, wages and sections, and boost newsstand pricesSep 02 07:04
DaemonFCbullshitSep 02 07:04
neighborleeroflSep 02 07:04
DaemonFCI'd rather give them free trailersSep 02 07:04
DaemonFCwhatever keeps them out of IndianaSep 02 07:05
neighborleeoh you mean like the ones that were laced with chemicals ?Sep 02 07:05
neighborleegood idea ;)Sep 02 07:05
DaemonFCyeah, that was a mistake, it should have been flooded with poisonous chemicalsSep 02 07:05
DaemonFCI mean, if they want to accuse us of trying to kill them, why not oblige them?Sep 02 07:05
DaemonFCdelusional asshatsSep 02 07:06
twitterSomeone called Silver Lake bought Skype 02 07:06
neighborleemy arent' we hateful lately ;)Sep 02 07:06
DaemonFCanything to sue the government and steal more of the tax moneySep 02 07:06
DaemonFClately? No. I've always hated towns full of crack dealers and welfare cheatsSep 02 07:07
neighborleetalk is cheapSep 02 07:07
DaemonFCNew Orleans, Chicago, and Washington DC are the axis of evilSep 02 07:07
DaemonFC:)Sep 02 07:07
twitterSo ... First comes doom and gloom news about Skype, including a Drudge Report piece, then comes a cheap buy out.Sep 02 07:07
twitterCoincidence?  I hope so.  Anything else would be criminal.Sep 02 07:08
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DaemonFCtwitter: How much would it take to buy you out and shut you down?Sep 02 07:08
DaemonFCI'm just curiousSep 02 07:08
neighborleeskype is crap thats for has its moments, but overall its pretty badSep 02 07:08
neighborleeDaemonFC, I suspect about as much as youSep 02 07:08
neighborleeapproximately ;)Sep 02 07:08
DaemonFCeveryone is for saleSep 02 07:08
DaemonFCif a million dollars fell into schestowitz's lap from Microsoft, he could be the next Paul ThurrottSep 02 07:09
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DaemonFCeveryone has the potential to be bought and sold, even tradedSep 02 07:09
DaemonFCthey need to make Microsoft shill baseball cardsSep 02 07:09
DaemonFClike the complete 2009 setSep 02 07:09
DaemonFCyes, I know that someone will say that sounds cynicalSep 02 07:10
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Diablo-D3twitter: the netscape founder bought skype, btwSep 02 07:13
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DaemonFCoff to mismanage another company?Sep 02 07:14
neighborleeDaemonFC, point taken..but about schestowitz I seriously doubt itSep 02 07:14
neighborleemaybe..point taken..but I doubt itSep 02 07:14
twitterwhat do you recommend? -> neighborlee: skype is crap thats for has its moments, but overall its pretty badSep 02 07:17
DaemonFCThe new Skype client for Linux works surprisingly wellSep 02 07:18
twitterthe field is packed with bad patents and other problems.  Skype has more users than Facebook and is growing faster still.Sep 02 07:18
DaemonFCthey worked out the Pulseaudio problemsSep 02 07:18
twitterand it's better on Linux than it is on Winblows (of course)Sep 02 07:18
twitterI would prefer free software but I'm unable to get what comes with Lenny to work.Sep 02 07:19
DaemonFCnot reallySep 02 07:19
DaemonFCit's about the same now anywaySep 02 07:19
DaemonFCthe old Linux client just barely workedSep 02 07:19
twitterHmmm, I don't like this Quebec -> 02 07:19
DaemonFCat least now I can make video calls in LinuxSep 02 07:19
neighborleetwitter, well thats the trouble..there is nothing else but doesn't change fact its kinda patheticSep 02 07:19
DaemonFCand tell people to go use a program they've heard ofSep 02 07:20
neighborleetwitter, coupled with horrible customer serviceSep 02 07:20
twitterSkype is so easy a demented slug could make it work.Sep 02 07:20
neighborleelolSep 02 07:20
DaemonFCnot the old clientSep 02 07:20
DaemonFCit would conflict with PulseaudioSep 02 07:20
twitterM$ vapor ->  Microsoft Corp. announced that it has released the Windows 7-based Windows Embedded Standard 2011 (formerly code-named Quebec) Community Technology Preview (CTP) to original equipment manufacturers (OEMs). Windows Embedded Standard 2011 delivers the latest Windows 7 technologies to OEMs, enabling them to bring specialized devices to market faster, to differentiate those devices through user experiences, to deliver deviSep 02 07:21
Diablo-D3and now you've offended the demented slugsSep 02 07:21
DaemonFCand demand a lock on the audio device until you shut down SkypeSep 02 07:21
twitter2011, the year of embedded Windows!Sep 02 07:21
DaemonFCmade it damned near impossible to have running in the task traySep 02 07:21
twitterthe year of stable, secure Windows, they swear.Sep 02 07:21
schestowitzHaSep 02 07:22
twitteror you can just go pick up a gnu/linux netbook today.Sep 02 07:22
schestowitzEmbedded WindowsSep 02 07:22
DaemonFCassuming desktop Linux use doubles every year, it'll have half the desktop market by 2030Sep 02 07:22
schestowitzI saw some headlines yesterdaySep 02 07:22
schestowitzThey rename it as a strategySep 02 07:22
schestowitzBut it's the same drekSep 02 07:22
schestowitzIt gets almost nowhereSep 02 07:22
twitteryes, it sounds like a big joke.  remember minwin?Sep 02 07:22
schestowitzYeahSep 02 07:22
schestowitzVapourwareSep 02 07:22
schestowitzNever mentioned since 2008Sep 02 07:22
twittersame promiseSep 02 07:23
twittersame lieSep 02 07:23
schestowitzWinfS 2Sep 02 07:23
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schestowitzVista 8 vapourware will increase a few months after Oct 22ndSep 02 07:23
schestowitz"We'll get it right the next time! We promise"Sep 02 07:23
DaemonFCI played with WinFS on XPSep 02 07:23
schestowitz"Just stick with us! PUH-llllllllllllllllllllleex.Sep 02 07:23
twitterI don't think they get another chance this time.Sep 02 07:24
DaemonFCgreat way to slow down your file systemSep 02 07:24
twitterVista was their big flunk out.Sep 02 07:24
schestowitzDaemonFC: troll.Sep 02 07:24
twitterfevered pitch trolling comes with every roll out.Sep 02 07:24
twittertroll outSep 02 07:25
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twitterNintendo now offers Opera at no charge for Wii.  -> 02 07:29
DaemonFCthat's good newsSep 02 07:29
twitternon free on top of non free, but interesting just the same.Sep 02 07:30
DaemonFCOpera is a better browser than FirefoxSep 02 07:31
DaemonFCby sheer technical meritSep 02 07:31
DaemonFCshow me the build of Firefox that passes ACID 3Sep 02 07:32
DaemonFCthat's just one exampleSep 02 07:32
DaemonFCOpera follows open standards, they don't abuse people with proprietary addons like Firefox and Internet Explorer doSep 02 07:33
neighborleedoes opera even have addonsSep 02 07:33
neighborleehaven't used it in agesSep 02 07:33
DaemonFCit has widgetsSep 02 07:33
DaemonFCbut for plugins it supports NPAPI just like FirefoxSep 02 07:34
DaemonFCit can use Firefox pluginsSep 02 07:34
neighborleehmSep 02 07:34
DaemonFCOpera on Linux can use the system color theme of your KDE desktopSep 02 07:37
DaemonFCsystem color theme option is there on Windows or on Linux in GNOME but it doesn't workSep 02 07:37
DaemonFCjust an interesting bit I've noticedSep 02 07:37
neighborleeno loss here im done with gnomeSep 02 07:38
DaemonFCI still have yet for twitter or schestowitz to tell me how Opera is an evil monopoly which subverts internet standardsSep 02 07:38
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neighborleeic ;)Sep 02 07:39
DaemonFC2% of the market and the most standards compliant engineSep 02 07:40
DaemonFChardly sounds like they're guilty of either chargeSep 02 07:40
neighborleeat least their services are crossplatform DaemonFCSep 02 07:40
DaemonFCOpera runs on more platforms than FirefoxSep 02 07:41
neighborleeMS isn't always so,,amenableSep 02 07:41
MinceRit uses the color theme wrong, thoughSep 02 07:42
neighborleeI have nothing against operaSep 02 07:42
neighborleeI just got in a routine with firefox I guessSep 02 07:42
neighborleeshrugSep 02 07:42
MinceRiirc it confuses the widget background with the dialog backgroundSep 02 07:42
DaemonFCMinceR: Opera 10 now uses QT 4, and is compiled with GCC 4Sep 02 07:43
DaemonFCit's quite a lot better on Linux than Opera 9 wasSep 02 07:43
neighborleesweetSep 02 07:43
MinceRsounds goodSep 02 07:43
DaemonFCit also immediately detects your IcedTea or JAVA, your Flash, and your VLC pluginsSep 02 07:45
DaemonFCso it's pretty much install it and goSep 02 07:45
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schestowitz"Microsoft's attempts at corrupting standards is in Dilbert.Sep 02 10:41
schestowitz"Your specifications are weak, and so is your kung fu."Sep 02 10:41
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schestowitzDaemonFC: kubuntu?Sep 02 10:42
schestowitzLooks better than Vista BTWSep 02 10:42
DaemonFCschestowitz: Yes, KubuntuSep 02 10:43
DaemonFCI still can't get VLC to capture my webcam properlySep 02 10:43
DaemonFCthis is really bugging me :PSep 02 10:43
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schestowitzDriver?Sep 02 10:52
schestowitzSome cameras should be shunned by GNU/Linux usersSep 02 10:53
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DaemonFCschestowitz: It worked fine in Ubuntu 8.10Sep 02 10:54
DaemonFCnow the brightness and contrast are all messed up and the internal microphone doesn't workSep 02 10:55
DaemonFCIt's got to be some kind of misconfiguration somewhereSep 02 10:55
DaemonFCGNOME applications seem to be able to figure it outSep 02 10:55
DaemonFCCheese, Sound Recorder, etc.Sep 02 10:55
DaemonFCschestowitz: I figured out the video problems, apparently the camera remembers the settings last used until it loses powerSep 02 10:59
DaemonFCand Windows seems to use a different set of settingsSep 02 10:59
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DaemonFCI may end up having to use GNOME, which sucksSep 02 11:05
DaemonFCCheese does not work right under KDE for some reasonSep 02 11:05
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oiaohmWhat version VLC.Sep 02 11:07
oiaohmsome versions of VLC are driving me nuts for bugs on Linux too DaemonFCSep 02 11:07
DaemonFC1.01Sep 02 11:07
satiperaSo was the BN site down yesterda or not?Sep 02 11:07
oiaohmThat is one of them.Sep 02 11:07
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oiaohmAbout 0.9~ something went wrong DaemonFCSep 02 11:08
oiaohmsatipera:  it was.  Minor server distruption.Sep 02 11:08
oiaohmJust at the right time that the admin was in bed.Sep 02 11:09
satiperaI could not get a feed for several hoursSep 02 11:09
oiaohmAnd we could not wake him.Sep 02 11:09
satiperaha haSep 02 11:09
DaemonFCoiaohm: 02 11:09
DaemonFCsee anything obviously wrong?Sep 02 11:09
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DaemonFCVLC 1.01 on Windows can capture my webcamSep 02 11:09
oiaohmOk question what does it do when you try to capture.Sep 02 11:11
oiaohm1 crash nastly.Sep 02 11:11
oiaohm2 refuse.Sep 02 11:11
DaemonFCwell, it can't save video at all under KDESep 02 11:11
oiaohm3 lockup.Sep 02 11:11
DaemonFCunder GNOME it saves video but no audioSep 02 11:11
DaemonFCjust opening the device, the video is captured on KDE, but no audioSep 02 11:12
oiaohmThat one.  Solid has grab hold of it.Sep 02 11:12
oiaohmKde kinda needs to be told to let go.Sep 02 11:12
DaemonFCit's really pissing me off because the rest of KDE works so well but it has nothing that can handle webcamsSep 02 11:12
DaemonFCwhich seems backwards since even GNOME does that well enoughSep 02 11:13
oiaohmI guess its in the list of devices pluged in DaemonFC in KDE.Sep 02 11:14
DaemonFCI'm getting frustrated :PSep 02 11:16
oiaohmIs it in the list of attached devices widget DaemonFCSep 02 11:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Managed Objects CEO Leaves Novell 02 11:19
trmancoTime to install kdeSep 02 11:24
trmancoNeed to get 306MB of archives. After unpacking 818MB will be used.Sep 02 11:30
trmanco:DSep 02 11:30
DaemonFCouchSep 02 11:31
DaemonFCat least Kubuntu fixed their horrid package management systemSep 02 11:32
DaemonFCAdept never worked right and KPackagekit in Jaunty is brokenSep 02 11:32
trmancoI use aptitudeSep 02 11:32
trmancoif I don't like it I simply remove the meta package and it all goes awaySep 02 11:33
DaemonFCnothing wrong with KDE except lack of a decent webcam toolSep 02 11:33
oiaohmMore worring is in debian testing at moment it wants to uninstall synanpti and put nothing graphical one back.Sep 02 11:34
oiaohmgnome or kde desktop.Sep 02 11:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] /me is installing KDE 4.3.1Sep 02 11:34
schestowitzDaemonFC: kubuntu is not a good distro for kde {any version}Sep 02 11:34
schestowitzI have kubuntu on my other partition hereSep 02 11:35
schestowitzMandriva is better for kdeSep 02 11:35
oiaohmDefault debain kde is better.Sep 02 11:35
oiaohmEven that its not really altered at all.Sep 02 11:35
schestowitzBeranger wrote about itSep 02 11:35
schestowitzHow they customise the vanilla versions of s/wSep 02 11:36
DaemonFCschestowitz: Yeah, Mandriva addresses some holes in KDE by plugging in GNOME applications and making sure they work wellSep 02 11:36
DaemonFCnothing wrong with that I guess, a little bloat, but it's only some GTK+ librariesSep 02 11:36
schestowitzkubuntu is getting a new qt4 installerSep 02 11:36
schestowitzLike opensuse did in 11.1 iircSep 02 11:36
oiaohmMandriva also does the same with GTK desktop DaemonFCSep 02 11:36
DaemonFCI noticed it, it looks niceSep 02 11:36
DaemonFCthere's no KDE utilities in their GNOME desktopSep 02 11:37
trmancoI'm already half way :)Sep 02 11:37
DaemonFCthe problem with Mandriva is that you always end up with a bunch of web browsersSep 02 11:39
trmancoI have a bunchSep 02 11:39
trmancoabout 3Sep 02 11:39
DaemonFClike Konqueror is part of KDE, but then Firefox has hard dependencies, the way they set it upSep 02 11:39
DaemonFCthen I go get Opera because I like it betterSep 02 11:39
DaemonFCand I have three things that browse the web :PSep 02 11:39
DaemonFCIt's comicalSep 02 11:40
DaemonFCor should I say, Komikal?Sep 02 11:40
oiaohmSince I am on kde 4 I don't have Konqueror currently installed.Sep 02 11:40
oiaohmNot like I use it.Sep 02 11:40
trmancothen what browser do you have?Sep 02 11:41
DaemonFCsuper fantastiK even, the system doesn't stop growing til you have three web browsers, and two email clientsSep 02 11:41
oiaohmFirefox because sites I go to need broader support.Sep 02 11:41
DaemonFCthis pretty much has Zawinski's Law beatenSep 02 11:41
trmancookSep 02 11:41
DaemonFC"Every program expands til it can read email"Sep 02 11:41
oiaohmAt the rate kde intergration is going that could be true very soon DaemonFCSep 02 11:42
DaemonFCI suppose my law would be "Mandriva expands til you have everything that can browse the web or read email"Sep 02 11:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How Novell is Monetising FUD 02 11:42
DaemonFCI'll probably go back to Mandriva with GNOMESep 02 11:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Installing...Sep 02 11:43
DaemonFCthere's just something about too much duplicated functionality that does it in for me with their KDE setupSep 02 11:44
DaemonFCof course newbies will throw a conniption if they boot up and Firefox isn't there B-)Sep 02 11:44
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] New Blog Post: "The Pain of Screencasting on Linux" 02 11:48
schestowitzCisco predicts swift California ramp < >Sep 02 11:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Installed! BRBSep 02 11:50
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schestowitzGoogle Wave To Splash Down This Fall < >Sep 02 12:02
schestowitz 02 12:04
schestowitz"It's politics, politics, politics, in both the folk-music scene of the 1960s and the Linux scene of the 2000s. And I've preached, and I've fought, and I've campaigned, and I've lectured, and I've taught, and I've stuck Tux-shaped crosses into lawns and set them ablaze in the night right alongside the most militant of you.Sep 02 12:04
schestowitzAnd what have I accomplished? Doodly squat.Sep 02 12:04
schestowitzReally, that's not my fault. The fault is upon this environment, this deadening, cloying atmosphere of Dark Ages America, where reading is a sin, science is an abomination, learning is a sacrilege, and progress is taboo. Not all of America is living in the Dark Age, but enough of it is to drag everybody else down with it. It was that way during the original European Dark Age, too."Sep 02 12:04
oiaohmNot all desktops suite everyone.Sep 02 12:06
schestowitzPete is giving personal details now? 02 12:06
schestowitzHe uses b2Sep 02 12:06
schestowitzSo it seemsSep 02 12:07
schestowitzFather of WordPressSep 02 12:07
DaemonFCand stereotyping is rampantSep 02 12:09
DaemonFC?Sep 02 12:09
DaemonFCschestowitz: if we're in a dark age, how come the number of religious people dropped over 8% since 1991?Sep 02 12:10
DaemonFCthat should be a sign we're on the way out of one, right?Sep 02 12:11
DaemonFCif they reached 90% and kept climbing, we'd really be in troubleSep 02 12:11
schestowitzI hope.Sep 02 12:11
DaemonFCI think religious people are in the majority worldwideSep 02 12:11
DaemonFCit's just how overwhelming they are in any given placeSep 02 12:12
DaemonFCand how many of them are truly backwardsSep 02 12:12
DaemonFCschestowitz: There's also, I think, a "me too" effectSep 02 12:13
DaemonFCwhere someone may say they're a Christian on a survey even though they never go to church and don't believe any of itSep 02 12:13
DaemonFCon Easter and Christmas, church attendance has to at least doubleSep 02 12:14
DaemonFCbecause a lot of people only bother going when they're dragged there by familySep 02 12:14
DaemonFCand what about Germany? don't they tax you and give part of the taxes you pay to the churches?Sep 02 12:15
DaemonFCI mean, at least I generally have freedom from religion in the US. I don't have a theocratic government that bases law on their holy book or forcing me to pay dues to a churchSep 02 12:17
DaemonFCI'd like to see someone publicly denounce Islam in Iran, see if they last 5 minutes between that and their public lynchingSep 02 12:18
DaemonFCthere's still lots of places in the world where you have to say you believe in something you don't or have to say you don't believe in something you do or else they'll just drag you out into the street and shoot youSep 02 12:19
DaemonFCand I'm glad I'm not there :)Sep 02 12:20
oiaohmWe have been in a electronic dark age.Sep 02 12:25
MinceRit isn't quite over yetSep 02 12:26
oiaohmDark ages don't just happen because of relegion.Sep 02 12:26
oiaohmthey happen because particular people get too powerful.Sep 02 12:26
oiaohmAnd start thinking they can control how people think.Sep 02 12:26
oiaohmEnd result is sooner or latter an uprising.Sep 02 12:27
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Shoots Down Stallman’s Public Speech in Argentina — Claim #rms #fsf #gnuSep 02 13:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "innovation has never been Microsoft's strong suite. We're much better at ripping off our competitors. For example, we did not invent ei ...Sep 02 13:09
schestowitz"Christian fundamentalists can now  purchase rapture insurance for their pets. I don't see anything wrong with profiting from their lunacy, but I think one is obligated first to try to talk them out of it. " 02 13:12
schestowitzU.S. Says Rendition to Continue, but With More Oversight  < > rendit^H^H^H^HortureSep 02 13:12
schestowitzFour years on, Katrina remains cursed by rumour, cliche, lies and racism < >Sep 02 13:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK arrests children under 5. 02 13:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More fires believed to be stirred up by global warming, which in turns leads to more smoke (greenhouse effect) 02 13:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mexico and Argentina join Amsterdam. 02 13:18
schestowitz "Murders of union leaders in Colombia are typically carried out by the paramilitary terror gangs that are allied with President Alvaro Horrible. I suspect that Nestle paid them to it, since otherwise they would have no motive."Sep 02 13:20
trmancohelloSep 02 13:22
trmanco:)Sep 02 13:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Con Kolivas is b-a-c-k-k-k.... 02 13:23
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schestowitz 02 13:54
schestowitzWhy is Bill taking this position? Odd...... 02 14:13
schestowitzSharp to Introduce New Mobile Internet Tool < >Sep 02 14:26
Diablo-D3schestowitz: ever read rainbow's end?Sep 02 14:28
schestowitz"Is there a ChromiumOS to go with ChromeOS? [...] In a recent report on TechCrunch, it was noted that modifications were being made to the Chrome browser which hint that the forthcoming ChromeOS will use the browser as the application launcher. Details also reveal that the developers at Google are extending the status bar to include an application launching control, a clock and battery indicator."Sep 02 14:30
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schestowitzDiablo-D3: no.Sep 02 14:30
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Diablo-D3schestowitz: you shouldSep 02 14:31
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schestowitzHow Not To Connect With Fans: Let Them Vote And Then Ignore The Vote 02 14:39
DaemonFCschestowitz: 02 14:41
DaemonFC"I called for what it was when college kids first started download music for free -- that they were crooks." - Gene Simmons (KISS)Sep 02 14:42
DaemonFChehSep 02 14:42
schestowitzCourt Dismisses Case Against Yahoo From Woman Upset How She Appeared In Results < > There's a fool born every minuteSep 02 14:42
DaemonFChow about calling it what it is, making copies of data that don't cost anything to makeSep 02 14:43
DaemonFCand exposing the artificial scarcity that the recording industry uses to drive prices upSep 02 14:43
schestowitzI have a post about it comingSep 02 14:43
schestowitzSame propaganda for patent, in the BBC todaSep 02 14:43
schestowitz2 articles from the BBCSep 02 14:43
schestowitzzoobab: patent brainwash alertSep 02 14:43
schestowitz and 02 14:44
DaemonFCschestowitz: As for the fake poll, they probably figured they'd make more money in BostonSep 02 14:44
DaemonFCshows you how little they think of fansSep 02 14:45
DaemonFCyou'd think that once you had more money than you could spend in 10 lifetimes, your priorities would shift away from making more money and towards doing what you want to be doingSep 02 14:46
DaemonFCthat's just not what these people do thoughSep 02 14:46
DaemonFCinstead they bitch and moan about someone making a copy of a their $5 Greatest Hits album from WalmartSep 02 14:47
schestowitzBrill Gets More Delusional: Now Thinks 10 to 15% Of Online Newspaper Readers Will Pay < >Sep 02 14:47
schestowitzWhat?? They could fill an entire CD with "greatest hits"?Sep 02 14:48
schestowitzAh, maybe a SIGNLESep 02 14:48
DaemonFCI can understand a live concert ticket costing what they do, maybe. Because there's only so many people you can fit into an auditoriumSep 02 14:49
DaemonFCthere's no limit to how many copies can be made of a CD and it doesn't cost them any more work for a billion CDs than it does for 1Sep 02 14:49
DaemonFChell, sometimes they record the concert and sell you that on the CDSep 02 14:50
DaemonFCit's a twoferSep 02 14:50
DaemonFC:PSep 02 14:50
DaemonFCschestowitz: The Wall Street Journal editors must be smoking some ultra premium crackSep 02 14:53
trmancook I'm backSep 02 14:53
trmancoquassel is no goodSep 02 14:53
DaemonFCthey actually suggested, seriously, that Dick Cheney should run in 2012Sep 02 14:53
trmancohad to use xchatSep 02 14:53
trmancoamarok has no EQ, still using audaciousSep 02 14:54
trmancoeverthing else is fineSep 02 14:54
DaemonFCI agree with Keith Olbermann, his tagline should be "You think you know Republicans? You don't know Dick!"Sep 02 14:55
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schestowitzCheney to run... to hospitalSep 02 14:56
schestowitzRepublicans love people with coronary issuesSep 02 14:56
schestowitzThen they can put stupid people in chargeSep 02 14:57
schestowitzLike GWB, Palin... or shills like Biden in the Democrat's caseSep 02 14:57
schestowitzThen they take instructions from so-called advisorsSep 02 14:57
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schestowitzSkype Dials New Owner… And Open Source < >Sep 02 14:59
DaemonFCI doubt Cheney will live to 2012Sep 02 15:06
DaemonFChe's in pretty bad shape nowSep 02 15:06
schestowitzCCTV building not pornographic, Koolhaas says < >Sep 02 15:08
schestowitzDaemonFC: maybe he'll do with EMC's co-founder didSep 02 15:08
schestowitzBonfire of the e-salvageries < >Sep 02 15:10
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schestowitzDarvaz: “The Gates of Hell” < >Sep 02 15:12
schestowitzThe Social History of the MP3 < >Sep 02 15:14
schestowitz Twitter surpasses MySpace in the UK 02 15:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Right! Re-recorded the screencast, now to see if pitivi will edit it down nicelySep 02 15:18
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satiperaI have just had an email from charles arthur at the guardian technology section, he has told me that they will be reviewing their Linux coverage. So fingers crossed.Sep 02 15:22
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schestowitz "Now, Sanger tells me, he wants to move on from Citizendium, and is looking for a suitable institution to take over management of his pet project - though he promises he will not leave it in the lurch (see the comment added below)."Sep 02 15:24
schestowitzsatipera: cool.Sep 02 15:24
satiperaI got cut off did you get my last postSep 02 15:24
schestowitz<satipera> I have just had an email from charles arthur at the guardian technology section, he has told me that they will be reviewing their Linux coverage. So fingers crosseSep 02 15:24
satiperayes oh good ttfnSep 02 15:24
schestowitzENDSep 02 15:24
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schestowitz"Sinister plans to merge ID database with Criminal Records Bureau checks" < > Let's just give up privacy, shall we?Sep 02 15:25
schestowitzEU mulls indicators to measure wellbeing 'beyond GDP' < >Sep 02 15:28
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schestowitzEMC to resell VMware management software < >Sep 02 15:30
schestowitzGreen. 02 15:34
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schestowitz"EU mulls ban on tuna as stocks near collapse' < > I used to eat loads of tuna and stopped last year.Sep 02 15:52
schestowitzShooter's gallery: the 10 most influential FPS games < >Sep 02 15:52
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "EU mulls ban on tuna as stocks near collapse' < > I used to eat loads of tuna and stopped last year.Sep 02 16:01
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schestowitz'Microsoft to inaugurate Paris Interop Lab on 10 September' < >Sep 02 16:31
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schestowitzDixons blames PC World for falling sales 02 16:42
*Ng stabs dixons stores groupSep 02 16:44
Ngthey suck so so so very much, and they've utterly infected the british high street electrical/computer shop market :(Sep 02 16:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] fingers crossed as 10 mins of video renders out of pitivi .. time passesSep 02 16:49
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sebsebsebschestowitz: hiSep 02 16:56
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schestowitzHeySep 02 17:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google's Linux Operating System to Have Model Similar to Chrome(ium)? 02 17:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] SMBs in the UK Look at Free Software Options, Shows Survey 02 17:09
sebsebsebschestowitz: heh so you going to buy Windows 7?Sep 02 17:17
schestowitzNo. I don't use WindowsSep 02 17:18
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pirulohi allSep 02 17:31
_Hicham_schestowitz : I will buy a copy for me and a copy for youSep 02 17:36
_Hicham_Windows 7 is based on Linux kernelSep 02 17:37
sebsebseb_Hicham_:  your obviously trying to make some joke here, that I am not picking up onSep 02 17:39
pirulocan anyone provide me with info on  Ambrose Ramsahai General Manager Puerto RicoSep 02 17:39
pirulomy google fu is weak todaySep 02 17:40
schestowitz_Hicham_: thanks, but no thanksSep 02 17:42
schestowitzVista 7 gratis is like free puppy with 3 legsSep 02 17:42
schestowitzpirulo: what's he up to?Sep 02 17:42
*schestowitz just woke up from a napSep 02 17:42
pirulojust need to know what to expect, a general idea how he handles bussinesSep 02 17:44
pirulohad a not so good experience with someone under himSep 02 17:45
piruloso im wondering if he will be the same kind of personSep 02 17:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu Community Manager Bypasses the Diabolical DRM Layer in Amazon's Linux Gadget 02 17:52
schestowitzWho is he working for?Sep 02 17:57
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU GRUB and GNU MyServer - New Released and Opportunities 02 18:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] C Programming Still Hot, Java Stable 02 18:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sun Engineer Happy to See Japan Electing a Techie 02 18:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Academics Like to Share 02 18:12
_Hicham_schestowitz will be elected next PM of englandSep 02 18:18
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Serious Copyright Reform Under Way 02 18:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Media Moguls and Their Front Groups (RIAA/MPAA) Deserve to Perish 02 18:20
pirulosorry, afk, he is the general manager of MS P.R.Sep 02 18:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MSBBC Spreads Angry Patent Propaganda 02 18:28
balzacmsbbcSep 02 18:35
schestowitzpirulo: all I know about MS PR (Puerto Rico) is that they manufactured Vista there... maybe Vista 7 too. It's cheaper for them.Sep 02 18:40
schestowitzpirulo: 02 18:41
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ThistleWebI notice Maggie Sheils has another MS splog todaySep 02 18:52
schestowitzYou noticed?Sep 02 18:55
schestowitzMe too! :-pSep 02 18:55
schestowitzShe cites another shill:Sep 02 18:56
schestowitzIna FriedshillSep 02 18:56
ThistleWebmaybe the clue in hi her name Maggie Shills.....yep, she does lolSep 02 18:56
ThistleWebnames aside, yeah it's pretty blatant againSep 02 18:57
ThistleWeblinks to the windows 7 pre salesSep 02 18:57
ThistleWeblike the other wndows 7 slog posts they doSep 02 18:57
ThistleWebthe keywords are a thing too, in pro MS posts, there's LOTS of MS kewords, the post is littered with them, which makes them great consumption for the spidersSep 02 18:59
ThistleWebyet when it's stories which are negative, MS keywords are hardly mentioned, except at the end of the peibce as the knight in silver armour coming in to offer customers advice on how to fix the issue under their termsSep 02 19:00
ThistleWebit'd be funny if it was a normal slog siteSep 02 19:00
ThistleWebwhat it does do is make a mockery of the BBC's claims of "independant hugh quality journalism"Sep 02 19:01
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @ciphergoth Cash4gold try to shut down critics with legal threats: here comes the Streisand Effect - please forwardSep 02 19:02
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schestowitzThistleWeb: search BN for her nameSep 02 19:07
schestowitzShe does a lot of Shieling [sic]Sep 02 19:07
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] @schestowitz don buy non-free phones. Symbian as OSS is vapourware.Sep 02 19:34
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schestowitzTaiwanese ships caught illegally transferring tuna at sea  < >Sep 02 19:38
schestowitzPew Urges National Marine Fisheries Service to Protect Bluefin Tuna, Ban Long-line Fishing in the Gulf of Mexico 02 19:38
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schestowitzAndroid software development relatively unprofitable < >Sep 02 19:52
schestowitz 02 19:55
schestowitz'The USTA posted signs in the players' lounge and locker rooms that states, "Important. Player Notice. Twitter Warning: Many of you will have Twitter accounts in order for your fans to follow you and to become more engaged in you and the sport – and this is great ... However popular it is, it is important to warn you of some of the dangers posed by Twittering as it relates to the Tennis Anti-Corruption Program Rules."'Sep 02 19:57
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tessier 02 19:59
tessierGood blog entry.Sep 02 19:59
ThistleWebthe six nations discussing iran's nuclear talks seems a bit out of the remit of rugby to meSep 02 20:00
ThistleWebunless the decision to sign or not is based on who wins a rugby matchSep 02 20:01
ThistleWeblolSep 02 20:01
ThistleWeblmao I can just see players pausing between serves to quicky nip to their laptops and tweet an update on that pointSep 02 20:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] New blog post: "A Video Editor that Just Works" 02 20:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wikimedia Commons: 5 years and 5,000,000 files 02 20:12
schestowitzHow much does Nokia contribute to FOSS?Sep 02 20:13
schestowitzIt does Qt and support KDE to an extent, but any kernel commits?Sep 02 20:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Vernor Vinge: What if the Singularity does NOT happen? /articles/art0696.html?m%3D1Sep 02 20:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Vernor Vinge: What if the Singularity does NOT happen? 02 20:17
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schestowitz"Two bloggers from Azerbaijan are facing up to five years in jail after posting a video of a donkey giving a news conference on YouTube." 02 20:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @doctorow "Streaming" doesn't exist. It's just downloading. Streaming is the phlogiston of the XXI century.Sep 02 20:39
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Have you received the encrypted message Roy?Sep 02 21:00
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schestowitz"Germany says 'nein' to Google book deal [...] The German government has come out in opposition to Google's recent book settlement, declaring it would “irrevocably alter the landscape of international copyright law.”" 02 21:05
DaemonFCdinosaursSep 02 21:06
amd-linuxfresh from heise: 02 21:07
amd-linux--> only interim rules, but still a good signSep 02 21:07
amd-linuxsee p. 3, section I.1 Step 1Sep 02 21:07
schestowitzamd-linux: made on WindowsSep 02 21:08
amd-linuxhey, we are no dinosaurs :-)Sep 02 21:08
schestowitzAdobeSep 02 21:08
schestowitzamd-linux: DaemonFC is a trollSep 02 21:08
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amd-linuxright, I forgot, he last time tried to offend me :-)Sep 02 21:09
schestowitzHe's not good at itSep 02 21:09
DaemonFCGermany=dinosaursSep 02 21:09
amd-linuxhi DeamonFCSep 02 21:09
schestowitzAT least he's dumping Vista 7b for Kubuntu nowSep 02 21:09
DaemonFCtheir government is even more obviously infested by religion and the recording industry than mostSep 02 21:09
amd-linuxhow is life under your rock ;-) (no offense intended...)Sep 02 21:09
DaemonFCI mean at least most don't try to pride themselves on itSep 02 21:09
schestowitzHahaSep 02 21:10
schestowitzOppositeSep 02 21:10
DaemonFCnot typically good for re-electionSep 02 21:10
schestowitzGermany it a LOT less theist than the USian areasSep 02 21:10
DaemonFCthen why do they tax you and send it to a church?Sep 02 21:10
schestowitzWHy do you troll?Sep 02 21:10
schestowitztrmanco can kickbaan youSep 02 21:10
amd-linuxtrue, even crucifixes were banned from schools and we now have to offer ethics classes instead of classes in religionSep 02 21:11
MinceRbut he won't. :>Sep 02 21:11
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schestowitzHey, _goblin Sep 02 21:11
_goblinhi all.Sep 02 21:11
_goblin:)Sep 02 21:11
amd-linuxhi thereSep 02 21:11
_goblinRoy: What were you saying yesterday about linking to .net apps?Sep 02 21:11
amd-linuxwell, mild forms of trolling can be entertaining....Sep 02 21:12
_goblinto my knowledge Ive never linked to any....Sep 02 21:12
_goblinjust got build of Chromium....still with it!Sep 02 21:13
DaemonFCwell unfortunately, Bush got a "Faith Based Initiatives thing going on as part of his officeSep 02 21:13
schestowitzWhoa. This is weird: 02 21:13
schestowitzThis dude has BN as his hokem URLSep 02 21:14
DaemonFCObama, the spineless person he is, expanded itSep 02 21:14
schestowitzAs though it's his Web siteSep 02 21:14
schestowitz_goblin: I woote about the .NET App[le]s todaySep 02 21:14
schestowitzI wrote about how the Microsoft shills use itSep 02 21:15
_goblinah.....Sep 02 21:15
schestowitzWhile Microsoft pays .NET App[le]sSep 02 21:15
_goblinI thought you were saying that I had linked to .net apps....I would hope not, Ive spent alot of time voicing my concerns about it...I'd look like a hypocrite!Sep 02 21:15
schestowitzHey, let's be reasonable. Obama wants to please everyone (i.e. every lobbyist)Sep 02 21:16
schestowitz_goblin: IDC seeds the .NET App[le]sSep 02 21:16
schestowitzBe careful. Publications reinforce the belief it countsSep 02 21:16
amd-linuxObama should start to push the ideas he got elected for.....Sep 02 21:16
schestowitzIn germany it's like 15% Linux in some news sitesSep 02 21:16
DaemonFCHillary Clinton: "It's not change you can believe in. It's change you can Xerox."Sep 02 21:16
DaemonFC:)Sep 02 21:16
_goblinI was surprised De Icazza posted on my blog.Sep 02 21:16
schestowitzamd-linux: that was to get electedSep 02 21:16
schestowitzSame here in the UKSep 02 21:17
amd-linuxcurrently, he tries to be friend with everyone from the old Bush era....Sep 02 21:17
schestowitzUsing FOSS, love and harmony as gateway to serve lobbyists and sponsorsSep 02 21:17
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amd-linuxok, he needs allies in administration, but he doesnt need to virtually hug and kiss them....Sep 02 21:17
schestowitz_goblin: he's just some guySep 02 21:17
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schestowitzamd-linux: yes, same peopleSep 02 21:18
_goblintrue...but then Openbytes is "Just some blog"!!!!Sep 02 21:18
schestowitzHe defends the status quoSep 02 21:18
schestowitzBiden alsoSep 02 21:18
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schestowitzThe system change could come from the likes of R PaulSep 02 21:18
schestowitzBut he's not a 'permissible' candidatesSep 02 21:18
amd-linuxbut sooner or later he needs to start the wage the confrontationSep 02 21:18
schestowitzHe challenges the system too much to gain funding and be electableSep 02 21:18
amd-linuxto wageSep 02 21:18
DaemonFCRon Paul? uggghSep 02 21:18
schestowitzHeck, he could not even fit into any of the two factions that can be voted ("parties")Sep 02 21:19
amd-linuxmaybe his plan is do hit them really hard in his second termSep 02 21:19
DaemonFCthe Viva La RethuglutionSep 02 21:19
_goblinthere is a big Hyper-V pimp going on in Twitter and some new MS accounts.....its the basis for my next article.Sep 02 21:19
schestowitzOr R NaderSep 02 21:19
schestowitzI reckon it ain't your average Harvard/Yale lawyer-elitistSep 02 21:19
schestowitzNot electableSep 02 21:19
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cubezzz-laptopI liked Nader :)Sep 02 21:20
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schestowitz_goblin: just don't promote it too much (the product)Sep 02 21:20
schestowitzSometimes changing the name helpsSep 02 21:20
schestowitzLike "Hype-^"Sep 02 21:20
schestowitzHype to the powerSep 02 21:21
schestowitzUpside-down VSep 02 21:21
schestowitzFinding Files On The Command Line < >Sep 02 21:21
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schestowitz_goblin: riddle me this: in slang, can "crims" be short for "criminals"? 02 21:22
schestowitzOr is this a typo in the headline?Sep 02 21:22
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schestowitzNew breed of spycams pose threat to < >Sep 02 21:25
_goblinschestowitz: Patent law and criminal law are two (IMO) completely different things, as is copyright theft.  In respect of the later, the term theft IMO does not apply since.......Sep 02 21:27
_goblinAccording to Sec(1) Theft Act - "To dishonestly appropriate property belonging to the other with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it"Sep 02 21:28
_goblinsince there is no permanent deprivation of "property" (in this case data) there is no theft....IMOSep 02 21:28
schestowitzThanks, I'll quote that laterSep 02 21:29
schestowitzI was going to stay something about "Steal"Sep 02 21:29
schestowitzThe BBC had TWO propaganda articlesSep 02 21:29
_goblinhowever......Sep 02 21:29
schestowitzAnd I have a post for tomorrowSep 02 21:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: The good parts. 02 21:29
_goblinthe copyright theft act deals with the "sharing" of the work and the deprivation would be loss of income, thats why the separate offence was created.....Sep 02 21:30
_goblinthe point I was making was Copyright "Theft" is a bad choice of words since theft as outlined in Sec(1) does not IMO apply as per definition.Sep 02 21:30 the case of copyright theft.Sep 02 21:31
_goblinIt is worth noting, that file sharing is what makes the offence complete and the mere act of downloading would (IMO) have a civil remedy not a criminal one if no sharing was taking place.Sep 02 21:31
_goblinalthough this is all open to argument and interpretation and is merely my interpretation of the criminal side of the copyright laws....Sep 02 21:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DHS photography guidelines < > This is over the top.Sep 02 21:32
cubezzzBell's doing a good job of throttling p2pSep 02 21:33
schestowitzSpyware ad-on targets Firefox fans < >Sep 02 21:33
schestowitzcubezzz: good or bad?Sep 02 21:33
schestowitzDepends on whose perspectiveSep 02 21:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google apologizes, explains Gmail outage< >. Funny that nobody speaks about Microsoft downtimes. "Screw Google"?Sep 02 21:33
cubezzzBell is good at throttling :)Sep 02 21:34
cubezzzI don't really like it, but it is what it isSep 02 21:34
schestowitzSo it's a _bad_ companySep 02 21:34
schestowitzcubezzz: erosion is gradualSep 02 21:34
cubezzzschestowitz, we have a duopoly in Canada for ISPsSep 02 21:34
schestowitzNext thing you know they'll charge premium for YouTubeSep 02 21:34
schestowitzThis is why we need to defend against thisSep 02 21:34
cubezzzthere's Bell and Rogers and 3rd party guys who use Bell's equipmentSep 02 21:35
cubezzzI don't really like Bell or RogersSep 02 21:35
schestowitzDupolySep 02 21:35
schestowitzLike Democrats and Republicans in the States.Sep 02 21:36
schestowitz*DuopolySep 02 21:36
schestowitzIllusions of choiceSep 02 21:36
cubezzzyeah, it's better than a monopoly :)Sep 02 21:36
schestowitzLinux never had a monopolySep 02 21:36
schestowitzRed Hat on the server is close, but not quiteSep 02 21:36
cubezzzthe other choice would be satellite internent which is 2x the costSep 02 21:36
cubezzzso yeah, everything seems to move towards a monopoly or duopolySep 02 21:37
schestowitzThere's no Utopian market methodology, I think. But School of Chicago 'free market' is a DISASTERSep 02 21:39
schestowitzLook what it did to the US. Huge gap b/w rich and poor and HUGE loans for banks to lend money to people who will never be able to repay, not even their kidsSep 02 21:39
_Hicham_schestowitz : how much market share does novell have on servers ?Sep 02 21:39
schestowitzDOn't know. Less than 20%, I'm pretty sureSep 02 21:40
schestowitzOn mainframe they have over 80% thoughSep 02 21:40
_goblinSchestowitz: According to the radio today UK PC sales from PC World and Comet are way down.....people are not buying....not encouraging news for the pimping of 7.Sep 02 21:41
schestowitzBut that's IBM using RHT and NOVL by proxySep 02 21:41
schestowitzORCL might try to gain some leverage in this game too. Red Hat seems less reliant on IBM and certainly on Microsoft, unlike NovellSep 02 21:41
schestowitz_goblin: I'm happy about this newsSep 02 21:42
schestowitzWe need to downsizeSep 02 21:42
schestowitzI read today about tuna running outSep 02 21:42
schestowitzI think we're consuming far too much and the issue is underreportedSep 02 21:42
schestowitzUntil one day we find that wolves are marsupials and tuna is the next Panda bearSep 02 21:42
schestowitzAnd then we eliminate our food chain tooSep 02 21:43
schestowitzWhich means less animals, pollen, flora, more gas and greenhouse effect, and system totally out of balance (self-balancing)Sep 02 21:43
schestowitzThink of it this waySep 02 21:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz as i said, nobody *cares* about microsoft downtimes. but people actually *use* gmail.Sep 02 21:43
schestowitzWe need the atmosphere but we also need to maintain some heat with fog and stuff, but once you get rid of oxygen-generating things you get more light that prevents them from cropping up in the first placeSep 02 21:44
cubezzzbasically do more with lessSep 02 21:44
schestowitzAs with food, you can't even grow it wellSep 02 21:45
cubezzzI grow some food, potatoes and tomatoesSep 02 21:45
_Hicham_Bill Gates said he can prevents hurricanes from coming to AmericaSep 02 21:45
cubezzzeven some berriesSep 02 21:45
schestowitzANd we became dependent on treating animals like food-machines... from hatching eggs to protein sucking machines that turn to "chicken" (as in food)Sep 02 21:45
schestowitzIf you eliminate this, people starveSep 02 21:45
schestowitzLike African in the WestSep 02 21:46
_Hicham_by cooling down oceans' waterSep 02 21:46
schestowitzcubezzz: so you're more self-sufficientSep 02 21:46
schestowitzNot debt-drivenSep 02 21:46
cubezzzyeah I try to beSep 02 21:46
schestowitz_Hicham_: Bill Gates has many brainfartsSep 02 21:46
schestowitz_Hicham_: GWB has a plan to fight melting of the northern poll. Send many GE ACs over them immediatelySep 02 21:47
cubezzzmy backyard is a fair size which helpsSep 02 21:47
MinceRhow long will the pipes to the heat exchangers be?Sep 02 21:49
cubezzzplus I don't even own a car :)Sep 02 21:49
MinceRalso, where will he place them? in space, where they can't release heat effectively?Sep 02 21:49
_Hicham_that is his ideaSep 02 21:51
_Hicham_he said he will implement itSep 02 21:51
_Hicham_like Vista 7Sep 02 21:51
cubezzzummmSep 02 21:51
cubezzzthat doesn't sound too good :)Sep 02 21:51
cubezzza couple of centuries ago tons of people were farmersSep 02 21:52
cubezzzmaybe we'll go back to thatSep 02 21:52
_Hicham_schestowitz : let's buy a big farmSep 02 21:53
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cubezzzwhen you think about it, most people spent a lot on just foodSep 02 21:53
_Hicham_we are still spending a lot on just foodSep 02 21:54
schestowitzEinstein: “I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”Sep 02 21:54
_Hicham_food is still a major problemSep 02 21:54
_Hicham_schestowitz will be a great warriorSep 02 21:55
schestowitz_Hicham_: will there be mules left? Will any survive?Sep 02 21:55
schestowitzPeople are greed-driven. More food -> more birthSep 02 21:56
schestowitzUntil like in Japan you have a small island with 120 million people finding room in skyscrapers and cubiclesSep 02 21:56
cubezzzmake the birth rate = the death rate, radical but maybe necessarySep 02 21:56
schestowitzIt's negative in much of EuropeSep 02 21:56
schestowitzI once had a good tableSep 02 21:57
schestowitzLet's see if Wikipedia has an equivSep 02 21:57
schestowitz 02 21:57
schestowitz 02 21:57
_Hicham_seems like schestowitz is planning to have 50 babiesSep 02 21:57
schestowitzIt's a map rather than a table, but still.....Sep 02 21:57
cubezzzI don't feel people are eager to have kids in North America, at least that's the impression I getSep 02 21:57
schestowitz_Hicham_: one is enough if mortality rate is lowSep 02 21:58 population growth jumped after the introduction of the "baby bonus"Sep 02 21:58
schestowitzcubezzz: not all of themSep 02 21:58
schestowitzSome are welfare-hoardersSep 02 21:58
_goblin....attraction marketing....thats a new one on old scam with a new name.....Sep 02 21:58
schestowitzCLinton tried to end itSep 02 21:58
_Hicham_having a lot of babies is the solutionSep 02 21:59
schestowitzSome people make many babies ("baby machines") hoping that it's like an investment game and one might bring ROISep 02 21:59
schestowitzNo kiddingSep 02 21:59
_Hicham_like that, we will have more freedom activistsSep 02 21:59
schestowitzLook at how Michael Jackson's dad treated his kidsSep 02 21:59
schestowitzPimping them for cash pretty muchSep 02 21:59
cubezzzhmmmSep 02 22:00
schestowitz_Hicham_: also more cannon fodderSep 02 22:00
schestowitzLike troops and factory lines in ColumbineSep 02 22:00
schestowitzLet me find some video of a British economistSep 02 22:01
schestowitzHe thinks farming will make a big comebackSep 02 22:01
_Hicham_BinLaden dad have had 50 babiesSep 02 22:01
schestowitzWikipedia's map indicated that lowest birth rate is in GermanySep 02 22:01
cubezzzyeah, I think baby bonus was introduced just after WWIISep 02 22:01
schestowitzThey are ahead of the curve in that regardSep 02 22:02
schestowitz_Hicham_: easy for s guySep 02 22:02
schestowitzHard for a ladySep 02 22:02
schestowitz*"a guy"Sep 02 22:02
cubezzzif you can control production, even a small production, you have more controlSep 02 22:03
_Hicham_schestowitz : it wasn't one ladySep 02 22:03
schestowitzJim Rogers/..Sep 02 22:03
schestowitz 02 22:03
schestowitzThat was the guy..Sep 02 22:03
schestowitzHe has interesting infightsSep 02 22:03
tessierschestowitz: You see that thing about the talk by RMS in Argentina being cancelled?Sep 02 22:03
schestowitz*insightsSep 02 22:03
schestowitztessier: I wrote about itSep 02 22:04
tessiercoolSep 02 22:04
schestowitz 02 22:04
schestowitz_Hicham_: Bush family has friends with the Bin Laden familySep 02 22:04
schestowitzIn the US the public is kept away from this infoSep 02 22:05
_Hicham_BinLaden is a product of the USSep 02 22:05
_Hicham_Made in the USSep 02 22:06
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_Hicham_he uses the package BinLaden-brandingUS is SUSE terminologySep 02 22:06
_Hicham_*inSep 02 22:06
cubezzzit's like we have these two extremes... Gates and StallmanSep 02 22:07
cubezzzGates is like an anti-StallmanSep 02 22:08
schestowitz_goblin: "People have asked me in the past for some screenshots of Goblin" 02 22:08
cubezzzhas anyone ever tried to do what Stallman did?Sep 02 22:08
schestowitzWHo is older?Sep 02 22:09
schestowitzRMS is like 55 IIRCSep 02 22:09
_Hicham_When living in a world without walls and fences, why do we need windows and gates ?Sep 02 22:09
schestowitzRMS was conceived to take down the billgSep 02 22:09
cubezzzGates might be older actuallySep 02 22:09
schestowitzGWB was conceived to tarnish US prideSep 02 22:10
cubezzzMarch 1953 for StallmanSep 02 22:10
cubezzzno, Stallman was first :)Sep 02 22:10
cubezzz1955 for GatesSep 02 22:10
cubezzzSun could have been more popular, Waterloo had a number of Sun WorkstationsSep 02 22:12
cubezzzdon't know if they still doSep 02 22:12
cubezzzbut Microsoft out-marketed everyoneSep 02 22:12
cubezzzthey targeted programmers, tried to brain wash them, and it workedSep 02 22:13
amarsh04too many companies wanted to get rich on m$' coat tailsSep 02 22:13
_Hicham_yes, programming for Windows is easySep 02 22:13
_Hicham_thanks to the complexity of MFC and Win32 APISep 02 22:14
_Hicham_schestowitz : do u think that Mono project will port MS Visual Studio to Linux ?Sep 02 22:16
_goblinschestowitz: LOL...Sep 02 22:17
schestowitzNoSep 02 22:18
schestowitzApropos:Sep 02 22:18
schestowitz 02 22:18
schestowitz 02 22:18
schestowitzMoblin infected by Mono/Banshee (no ECMA): 02 22:18
schestowitzTO hell with GoblinSep 02 22:18
_goblin"People have asked me in the past for some screenshots of Goblin" - Am I a celeb (not)  "an insight into the goodness that is Goblin" - They obviously know me well.....Sep 02 22:18
schestowitz[not the person] :pSep 02 22:18
_goblin:)Sep 02 22:19
_goblincould work in my favor from search engine referrals.Sep 02 22:19
_goblinwhat better way to get the message out....Sep 02 22:19
_goblinmaybe an article entitled "Goblin screenshots" and then a couple of photos with me in my cowboy hat playing the guitar.Sep 02 22:20
schestowitzDecried the talk by Richard Stallman in Mar del Plata UTN 02 22:21
cubezzzdid you know when Gates first contacted Altair about Basic for Altair he didn't have Basic?Sep 02 22:21
_Hicham_schestowitz : so Mono will be the best FOSS project ?Sep 02 22:21
schestowitz Censuraron la charla de Richard Stallman en la UTN de Mar del Plata Sep 02 22:21
cubezzzsneaky right from the startSep 02 22:21
schestowitzTHis outrage will bite Microsoft in the rearSep 02 22:21
_Hicham_schestowitz : we need a remix of the free software songSep 02 22:21
schestowitz_Hicham_: it's IDGSep 02 22:21
_Hicham_a dance remixSep 02 22:21
schestowitzMicrosoft/Intel pressSep 02 22:21
schestowitzMono is their hopeSep 02 22:22
_Hicham_ok, let's use monoSep 02 22:22
schestowitzHope for derailing that 'commie stuff'Sep 02 22:22
schestowitz_Hicham_: hat already exists]Sep 02 22:22
schestowitztacone posted itSep 02 22:22
schestowitzLet me find itSep 02 22:22
_Hicham_a dance remix of the free software song ?Sep 02 22:22
schestowitzHere: 02 22:22
schestowitz 02 22:23
schestowitzFirefox plays it natively evenSep 02 22:23
schestowitzFirefox is also a media player nowSep 02 22:23
schestowitzI use it to watch videos (bar Flash)Sep 02 22:23
_goblinI still think the Henry Rollins song "Liar" could fit Microsoft products so well....maybe that could be their next ad campaign.Sep 02 22:23
cubezzzyikes "MIcrosoft pushes for a single Global Patent System"Sep 02 22:23
schestowitzMicrosoft contract forces cancellation of Stallman talk in Argentina (Matware) < >Sep 02 22:24
schestowitzcubezzz: where>Sep 02 22:24
schestowitz?Sep 02 22:24
cubezzz,1000000308,39736289,00.htmSep 02 22:24
schestowitzThat's just US patent colonisationSep 02 22:24
schestowitzAs in, be slaves to the WestSep 02 22:25
schestowitzAh, it's their patent terroristSep 02 22:25
schestowitzHoracioSep 02 22:25
schestowitzJust put the bugger in prison with Icahn and MhyrvoldSep 02 22:25
schestowitzThey are leechesSep 02 22:26
cubezzzwow, they signed a contract prohibiting criticism of Microsoft?Sep 02 22:26
cubezzzwhat a bad contractSep 02 22:26
schestowitzIt's Microsoft lobbying blog. 02 22:26
_Hicham_Microsoft is a good company, we shouldn't criticize itSep 02 22:27
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_Hicham_it is even helping Linux worldSep 02 22:27
schestowitzHeheSep 02 22:27
_Hicham_they are giving silverlight for linuxSep 02 22:27
_Hicham_to counter HTML5Sep 02 22:27
cubezzzMicrosoft is superimposed right over Australia :)Sep 02 22:27
schestowitzLike the US soldiers patting Afghan kids on the head for thecamerasSep 02 22:27
_Hicham_and svgSep 02 22:28
cubezzzbummerSep 02 22:28
schestowitzThat's Microsoft and LinuxSep 02 22:28
cubezzzit never endsSep 02 22:28
_Hicham_we should help microsoft make its products betterSep 02 22:28
schestowitzI'd rather expose them for what they areSep 02 22:29
schestowitzLet people decideSep 02 22:29
_Hicham_does microsoft have a bugzilla ?Sep 02 22:29
schestowitzSortaSep 02 22:29
_Hicham_ok, let us start filing bugs for themSep 02 22:29
schestowitzThey have too much pride to use someone else's 'dog food'Sep 02 22:29
schestowitz"Send  |Don't Send"Sep 02 22:30
_Hicham_schestowitz : what would be the first bug ?Sep 02 22:30
schestowitzThey don't even watch theseSep 02 22:30
schestowitzIt's for statisticsSep 02 22:30
schestowitzSo when it hits 1 million they might bother to have a lookSep 02 22:30
_Hicham_would it be first launchpad bug ?Sep 02 22:30
schestowitzbrbSep 02 22:30
_Hicham_okSep 02 22:30
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schestowitzMicrosoft has really run out of optionsSep 02 22:33
schestowitzIt's just obsessed with software patents nowSep 02 22:34
schestowitzI've mailed the FFII about itSep 02 22:34
schestowitzMicrosoft=next SCOSep 02 22:34
schestowitzeWEEK is covering Microsoft/Mono stuff: 02 22:35
schestowitzIt's called "open source", but it's .NET and it's made by Microsoft employees (former)Sep 02 22:35
schestowitzAnother company that makes FOSS is acquired: Intalio Acquires Webtide, Developer of the Jetty Application Server < >Sep 02 22:38
cubezzzacquired by Microsoft?Sep 02 22:39
cubezzzbtw someone talked about a Linux based bluray player, I've been trying to find itSep 02 22:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] USPTO: "Such programming creates a new machine because a general purpose computer, in effect, becomes a special purpose computer" BullshitSep 02 22:40
schestowitz "The collaborative efforts of the Graffiti Research Lab, Free Art+ Technology, Open Frameworks, and The Ebeling Group- organizations specializing in various aspects of open source computing" Watch the 2nd pictureSep 02 22:43
schestowitzcubezzz: I think I heard about it this wekSep 02 22:44
schestowitzNot seen it thoughSep 02 22:44
schestowitzBluRay=MAFIAASep 02 22:44
schestowitzBetter not mix these too.. akin to KindleSep 02 22:44
schestowitzOr MPAA's use of Xubuntu to police the Web in educationSep 02 22:45
schestowitzGPL violation that was.....Sep 02 22:45
cubezzzsometimes I look at doom9's forumsSep 02 22:45
cubezzzI've seen some HD recordings, which work on mplayerSep 02 22:46
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard : yes, I worried you'd repeat when I uttered the observation.Sep 02 22:50
schestowitztacone: we were just linking to your Free Software Song RemixSep 02 22:50
taconeniceSep 02 22:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz gmail going down is actual news - it was actually a trending topic on twitter even! hotmail going down is just normal.Sep 02 22:52
*amarsh04 has a blu-ray disc on order, might give it away to someone who already has a playerSep 02 22:55
amarsh04I wouldn't buy a sony player, pioneer would be ok but expensiveSep 02 22:56
amarsh04irony is that I wouldn't have ordered the blu-ray (or its ordinary dvd equivalent) unless I'd first seen most of the content on the internetSep 02 22:57
schestowitzBlu-Ray needs very HD TVs to be realised for its qualitySep 02 22:59
schestowitzSome crappy ol' 21" TV would be a wasteSep 02 22:59
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] CEO of Heartland has only now learned: "PCI compliance doesn't mean secure." No sh*t, Sherlock! Blaming the QSA is lame.Sep 02 22:59
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amarsh04I'll get my local hi-fi store to demo their equipment with the blu-ray discSep 02 23:02
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Publication Praises GNU/Linux for Immaculate Support 02 23:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] VISI Goes for GNU/Linux in Fog Storage 02 23:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Indian Officials to be Equipped with GNU/Linux Laptops 02 23:06
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat Enterprise (GNU)Linux 5.4 is Released 02 23:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Battlefield 2 v1.50 Linux Dedicated Server and CrossOver Games 8.0 Released 02 23:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kernel Space: Linux Filesystems Compared form Metadata Performance 02 23:13
_goblinLooking forward to reading your copyright article Roy.Sep 02 23:13
schestowitzIt's about patentsSep 02 23:14
schestowitzThere's lots going onSep 02 23:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] #microsoft #foss #linux #xp #windows #vista #windows7Sep 02 23:15
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Known Freedom Hater Reviews the Linux-based Nokia N900 02 23:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Skype Shakeups an Opening for Free Software #VoIP 02 23:18
_goblinah...ill look forward to it.Sep 02 23:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin #microsoft #xp #windows #vista #windows7Sep 02 23:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software a King of #Hosters 02 23:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wikimedia Commons Hits Major Milestone (ta, @davidgerard )Sep 02 23:24
_goblindoes anyone know if dyne:bolic is still ongoing?Sep 02 23:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open-Source #Hardware is Materialising 02 23:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amazon Breaks Its 'Open' #API 02 23:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NPR Defends Open/Free #Sharing of Content as a Business Model 02 23:33
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Internet Abused by #AstroTurfers Who Cost Many Lives 02 23:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Authors Deviate from #IntellectualMonopolies 02 23:37
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #China Implodes in a #Patent System of Its Own Creation 02 23:41
DaemonFCI'm on Linux MintSep 02 23:42
DaemonFCit does seem to be a lot better than UbuntuSep 02 23:42
DaemonFCthey ripped some of the the GTK+ theming engines out of OpenSuse and the SLAB menuSep 02 23:45
DaemonFCit feels like a very Suse-ish UbuntuSep 02 23:45
DaemonFC:PSep 02 23:45
_goblinmaybe thats simply because its green....Sep 02 23:46
DaemonFCnot just that, the look and feel of the entire GUI is obviously "inspired" by OpenSuseSep 02 23:46
MinceRbeyond look, how is it better than plain ubuntu?Sep 02 23:46
MinceRdid they also kill pulseaudio with fire, for example?Sep 02 23:46
DaemonFCMinceR: Better defaults, Pulseaudio doesn't glitchSep 02 23:47
DaemonFCit's more than skin deepSep 02 23:47
DaemonFCall your codecs and everything are already thereSep 02 23:47
schestowitz_goblin: no dyne:bolic release in about a yearSep 02 23:47
DaemonFCthe only thing I had to add to get a functional system is the Nvidia driverSep 02 23:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's Main Patent Bully Horacio Gutierrez Wants Software Patents Globally 02 23:47
DaemonFCMinceR: They gutted a lot of stupid bloatware like Evolution tooSep 02 23:49
DaemonFCreplaced by ThunderbirdSep 02 23:49
MinceREvolution needs to be fixed, not guttedSep 02 23:49
MinceRThunderbird's IMAP support is far behind, iircSep 02 23:49
schestowitzF* MAFIAA: 02 23:49
DaemonFCit's more or less how Ubuntu would end up if I spent hours doctoring it upSep 02 23:50
schestowitzI was going to watch this last partSep 02 23:50
schestowitz"This video contains an audio track that has not been authorized by WMG. The audio has been disabled. More about copyright"Sep 02 23:50
schestowitzWatch the commentsSep 02 23:50
schestowitzBastardSep 02 23:50
DaemonFCsweetSep 02 23:50
schestowitz"I'll never buy music again from them! Money is more important to them than educating mankind about the universe, shame on you WMG!"Sep 02 23:50
schestowitzSo now they just ruin osmosSep 02 23:50
schestowitzSo now they just ruin CosmosSep 02 23:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Indonesians Are Taught to Deploy #GNU #Linux with #Zimbra 02 23:51
DaemonFCit also understands what an MP3 player using standard MSC mode isSep 02 23:51
DaemonFCUbuntu is just stupid and treats it the same as a flash driveSep 02 23:52
MinceR010041 < DaemonFC> it also understands what an MP3 player using standard MSC mode isSep 02 23:52
MinceRa paperweight? :>Sep 02 23:52
DaemonFC?Sep 02 23:52
MinceRi never remember what MSC isSep 02 23:52
DaemonFCMass Storage ClassSep 02 23:52
MinceRexcept for Mobile Switching Center, of courseSep 02 23:52
MinceRoh.Sep 02 23:52
trmanco 02 23:52
trmancohehSep 02 23:53
MinceRi confused it with the other one.Sep 02 23:53
MinceRthen there's Master of Science, but that's MScSep 02 23:53
DaemonFCpretty generic transfer mode, it's your only option that doesn't involve Microsoft "tweaks" that don't always work so well if you're not on WindowsSep 02 23:53
MinceRyes, now i knowSep 02 23:53
DaemonFC(or if you're on older versions of Windows or XP x64)Sep 02 23:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I'm on KDE 4.3.1, have a look! [pic] 02 23:53
MinceRthe m$ hack fails even on XP x64?Sep 02 23:53
DaemonFCthat's something else that needs to be pointed out, when you use Microsoft protocols and formats, older versions of Windows don't even always work with themSep 02 23:54
DaemonFCyou can burn a CD in Vista using Explorer and XP might not read itSep 02 23:54
MinceRwell, another thing that needs to be pointed out is that if you use m$ protocols and formats, no version of any m$ product will always work with themSep 02 23:54
MinceRsome of them might work some of the time and then you can call yourself luckySep 02 23:55
DaemonFCyeah, they also tend to be dropped later on and anything you made with the old version is toastSep 02 23:55
DaemonFC:)Sep 02 23:55
MinceReven the one made with the right version is a piece of crap, so it will fail oftenSep 02 23:55
DaemonFCpeople understand that to some degree, it's why OOXML and WMA aren't exactly runaway hits with anyone that Microsoft hasn't leaned onSep 02 23:56
DaemonFCbut there are always a few out there that just save to whatever format the program defaults to and then get mad when you're using, say, Office 2003, and it can't understand Office 2007 XMLSep 02 23:57
DaemonFCit's not new, Microsoft has been doing that to force upgrades since at least Office 97Sep 02 23:57
MinceRand there are always a few who always think everything that comes out of m$ is god's own work and perfect as it isSep 02 23:57
DaemonFCI'd say their formats are spread more through ignorance on the part of the userSep 02 23:58
DaemonFCthan anyone who intentionally set out to use themSep 02 23:58
DaemonFCschestowitz: You may want to mention something about Office 2007, now that I think about itSep 02 23:59
DaemonFCMicrosoft is dumpingSep 02 23:59
DaemonFCthe "back to school" laptops all have Office 2007 Home and Student Edition on them for freeSep 02 23:59

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