IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: September 24th, 2009

*schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitzSep 24 00:00
MinceRoh, i think my test failed because robots.txt excluded everythingSep 24 00:00
MinceRwell, time for sleep anyway; gnSep 24 00:00
wallclimbergn!Sep 24 00:01
_Hicham_gn MinceRSep 24 00:01
schestowitzhttp://www.mt-soft.com.ar/2009/09/21/microsoft-monsanto-and-intellectual-monopolies/Sep 24 00:02
phIRCeTitle: MT-Soft - Web Development and E-business Tools and News .::. Size~: 97.38 KBSep 24 00:02
schestowitzgn, MinceRSep 24 00:02
schestowitzhttp://mincer.comSep 24 00:02
phIRCeTitle: mincer.com: The Leading Mincer Site on the Net .::. Size~: 0.41 KBSep 24 00:03
schestowitzLOLSep 24 00:03
wallclimberwell, i'm off to forage for food...surely there's something edible around here...see ya tomorrow.Sep 24 00:03
cubezzz"Digital Rights Subtraction System"Sep 24 00:03
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schestowitzwallclimber: if you need something edible, get a mincerSep 24 00:03
schestowitzOh, she's offSep 24 00:03
MinceRnot a sheSep 24 00:04
_Hicham_MinceR is not offSep 24 00:05
_Hicham_he is always onSep 24 00:05
trmancohehSep 24 00:06
trmancoI wonder what kind of test MinceR was trying to doSep 24 00:06
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schestowitzMinceR: not you, wallclimberSep 24 00:09
schestowitzI can't stand Orlowski ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/23/lily_allen_vs_freetards/Sep 24 00:12
phIRCeTitle: Lily Allen lobs blog at Wrinkly Rockers • The Register .::. Size~: 22.88 KBSep 24 00:12
ldpFUCKING WHATSep 24 00:12
ldpErr.Sep 24 00:12
ldpWrong channel.Sep 24 00:12
trmancoit didn't trigger the botSep 24 00:13
trmancohehSep 24 00:13
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/23/lily_allen_vs_freetards/Sep 24 00:14
phIRCeTitle: Lily Allen lobs blog at Wrinkly Rockers • The Register .::. Size~: 22.88 KBSep 24 00:14
BNc[trmanco] ♻ @phoronix: GNOME 2.28 Released; GNOME 3.0 Is Up Next http://ff.im/-8C3raSep 24 00:14
phIRCeTitle: [Phoronix] GNOME 2.28 Released; GNOME 3.0 Is Up Next .::. Size~: 16.26 KBSep 24 00:15
schestowitztrmanco: no obscenity filter?Sep 24 00:15
trmancoit doesSep 24 00:15
trmancobut fucking isn't includedSep 24 00:15
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trmancomehSep 24 00:15
trmancocharset thing :|Sep 24 00:15
*trmanco gets 0wn3d by his own creatingSep 24 00:16
trmanco*ionSep 24 00:16
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/23/demon_password_giveaway/Sep 24 00:16
phIRCeTitle: Demon splurges details of 3,600 customers in billing email • The Register .::. Size~: 23.25 KBSep 24 00:16
oiaohmHmm is phIRCe stupid enough to kick self for bad language.Sep 24 00:16
trmancoyesSep 24 00:16
trmancoit's not stupidSep 24 00:16
schestowitzPrimitive AISep 24 00:16
schestowitzIt'll grow smarterSep 24 00:17
trmancoit's just not programed to not kick himselfSep 24 00:17
schestowitzhttp://www.robotcub.org/Sep 24 00:17
phIRCeTitle: RobotCub - An Open Framework for Research in Embodied Cognition .::. Size~: 19.95 KBSep 24 00:17
trmanco!op trmancoSep 24 00:17
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oiaohmI was thinking post a link with forbin word in here and see what happens phIRCeSep 24 00:17
trmanco!kick phIRCeSep 24 00:17
*phIRCe has kicked phIRCe from #boycottnovell (Don't take this personally!)Sep 24 00:17
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phIRCeHow dare you kick me!Sep 24 00:17
trmancooiaohm: go aheadSep 24 00:17
trmancoit will kick himselfSep 24 00:17
trmancoor maybe no...Sep 24 00:17
trmancowho knowsSep 24 00:17
trmancoDemo -> http://is.gd/3BW5KSep 24 00:18
phIRCeTitle: Fuck - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 131.87 KBSep 24 00:18
trmanco:|Sep 24 00:18
trmancoahSep 24 00:18
trmancowaitSep 24 00:18
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trmancoDemo -> http://is.gd/3BW5KSep 24 00:18
phIRCeTitle: Fuck - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 131.87 KBSep 24 00:18
trmanco:|Sep 24 00:19
schestowitzThat's a good thingSep 24 00:19
trmancomaybe it's time to go to bedSep 24 00:19
oiaohmhttp://www.fourletterfilm.com/  hiSep 24 00:19
phIRCeTitle: FUCK :: Four Letter Film .::. Size~: 3.08 KBSep 24 00:19
oiaohmHmm size is wrong badly.Sep 24 00:19
trmancocharset maybeSep 24 00:19
oiaohmMissed the flv completely.Sep 24 00:19
schestowitzflv is externalSep 24 00:19
trmanconah wikipedia is in utf-8Sep 24 00:19
trmancoit's not a spiderSep 24 00:20
trmancothe size is the same as viewed in lynxSep 24 00:20
trmanco:-PSep 24 00:20
phIRCedeop trmanco !ban trmanco !ban trmanco 1 !unban trmanco 1 !say demo fuck fagSep 24 00:20
trmancow000tSep 24 00:21
oiaohmI just though I would cover that event so you can still curse here just have to use URLs to cover it.Sep 24 00:21
phIRCetestSep 24 00:22
trmancothis bot goes crazy sometimesSep 24 00:22
oiaohmDefine crazy.Sep 24 00:22
oiaohmNot like the winehq bot when it in.Sep 24 00:22
oiaohmWhere it kicks everyone including it self out of channel.Sep 24 00:23
trmancointelligence of it's own through a bugSep 24 00:23
phIRCefuckSep 24 00:23
trmancoit won't kick himselfSep 24 00:23
trmancoitself*Sep 24 00:23
oiaohmI forgot to tell you what the bot did in winehq.,   CLosed the channel.Sep 24 00:24
trmancohehSep 24 00:24
oiaohmNot exactly kicked.  Only users above particular level allowed in.Sep 24 00:24
trmancothis one won't set modes, unless it goes crazySep 24 00:25
oiaohmBasically we hope it never does.Sep 24 00:25
trmancohehSep 24 00:25
trmancoit won't kick itself because it doesn't have enough parametersSep 24 00:26
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/09/infringingfiltering/Sep 24 00:27
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schestowitzhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090921/1200086272.shtmlSep 24 00:29
phIRCeTitle: If File Sharing Is Killing The UK Music Industry... Why Is The UK Music Industry Growing? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 65.87 KBSep 24 00:29
schestowitz"The US military will deploy an "optionally manned" 250-foot surveillance airship to Afghanistan by the middle of 2011, according to reports. The dirigible spy-ship will be able to lurk high above Afghan battlefields for up to three weeks at a time, relaying information to ground commanders." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/22/lemv_contract_by_december/Sep 24 00:30
phIRCeTitle: US to deploy 'optionally manned' hover-dirigible in 2011 • The Register .::. Size~: 24.95 KBSep 24 00:30
schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10356295-54.htmlSep 24 00:31
phIRCeTitle: Students build solar home that's no gimmick | Green Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 127.1 KBSep 24 00:31
trmancoI fixed this bugSep 24 00:31
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trmancoDemo -> http://is.gd/3BW5KSep 24 00:31
phIRCeTitle: Fuck - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 131.87 KBSep 24 00:32
trmancomehSep 24 00:32
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phIRCefuckSep 24 00:32
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trmancoLOLSep 24 00:32
trmancookSep 24 00:32
trmanco-1 bugSep 24 00:33
schestowitzhttp://www.filmschoolrejects.com/features/boiling-point-this-rant-rated-r-again-robfr.phpSep 24 00:33
trmancoanother one blocking botsSep 24 00:33
trmanco!op trmancoSep 24 00:33
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schestowitzload average: 14.05, 5.83, 3.00Sep 24 00:34
schestowitzSomething's upSep 24 00:34
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_goblinright, Im off....just time to give "grubby" one last chance to give a comment.....Sep 24 00:41
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schestowitzOnly 5% of web users would pay for online news, reports survey http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2009/sep/21/paid-content-newspapers-online-newsSep 24 00:44
schestowitzhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090920/2219136252.shtmlSep 24 00:46
phIRCeTitle: Heirs Of Comic Book Artist Alert Everyone They Want Their Copyrights Back | Techdirt .::. Size~: 76.25 KBSep 24 00:46
cubezzzpeople will pay for stuff like the Wall Street JournalSep 24 00:46
cubezzzanything that helps them make money essentiallySep 24 00:47
schestowitzhttp://www.webmonkey.com/blog/Picasa_Photo_App_Gets_Better_at_Recognizing_Faces__LocationsSep 24 00:47
phIRCeTitle: Picasa Photo App Gets Better at Recognizing Faces  Locations - Webmonkey .::. Size~: 114.75 KBSep 24 00:47
schestowitzcubezzz: that's what Rupert saysSep 24 00:47
schestowitzhe's thinking wishfullySep 24 00:47
schestowitzPeople can get financial news elsewhereSep 24 00:48
trmancohttp://dotbloat.blogspot.com/2009/03/source-code-doesnt-lie-4-ui-framework.htmlSep 24 00:48
schestowitzGoogle has good aggregation, including ones that cite and summarise WSJ reportsSep 24 00:48
phIRCeTitle: DEVELOPERS HELD HOSTAGE: THE VISUAL STUDIO CRISIS: Source Code Doesn't Lie #4: UI Framework Layer .::. Size~: 75.94 KBSep 24 00:48
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/09/publishingcrime/Sep 24 00:48
trmancoLOLSep 24 00:48
phIRCeTitle: Law Shielding Cops Faces Court Challenge | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 88.53 KBSep 24 00:48
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schestowitztrmanco:MarchSep 24 00:49
trmancoyeahSep 24 00:49
trmanco[H]omer: posted it in colaSep 24 00:49
schestowitzcubezzz: |With journalists being laid off in droves, ideologues have stepped forward to provide the “reporting” that feeds the 24-hour news cycle. The collapse of journalism means that the quest for information has been superseded by the quest for ammunition. A case-study of our post-journalistic age." http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200910/mediaSep 24 00:51
trmancohmmmmSep 24 00:53
cubezzzwell newspapers are collapsing for sureSep 24 00:53
cubezzzI wouldn't say there's a collapse of journalism itselfSep 24 00:54
schestowitzExactlySep 24 00:56
schestowitzThat's the pointSep 24 00:56
schestowitzThe newspapers pretend that without them there would be no investigationSep 24 00:56
schestowitzAnd our side says it's utter BS because people fill the void and get the scoops in the same waySep 24 00:56
cubezzzschestowitz, I was really talking about newspapers -> webSep 24 00:57
schestowitzOBAMAA sort of took 'their' sideSep 24 00:57
schestowitzClaiming that blogs is just people "shuoting at each other"Sep 24 00:57
schestowitz*shoutingSep 24 00:57
cubezzznot people buying newspapers but registering for web contentSep 24 00:57
schestowitzI'm growing tired of his cronies regime.... he works for the corporations thereSep 24 00:57
cubezzzand yes, a lot of people probably wouldn't pay for itSep 24 00:57
schestowitzBecause it's abundantSep 24 00:58
schestowitzNot specialisedSep 24 00:58
cubezzzok, I don't know if you've seen it but... I have a blog :)Sep 24 00:58
schestowitzCheck out the update here:Sep 24 00:58
schestowitzhttp://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4051Sep 24 00:58
phIRCeTitle: All about Microsoft mobile edition .::. Size~: 8.58 KBSep 24 00:58
schestowitzMicrosoft admits that Silver Lie can run on LinuxSep 24 00:58
schestowitzLies all alongSep 24 00:58
cubezzzWinCE makes one wince :)Sep 24 00:59
trmanco!quit phIRCeSep 24 00:59
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trmancogn everyoneSep 24 00:59
cubezzzlaterSep 24 00:59
schestowitzgnSep 24 00:59
cubezzzmy blog never gets any responses, I'm too blandSep 24 00:59
cubezzzoh, I think I know what you guys mean by ColaSep 24 01:00
cubezzzcomp.os.linux.advocacy ?Sep 24 01:00
cubezzzit's like in the "old days" when Amiga people insulted Atari people and vice versaSep 24 01:01
cubezzzI got an interesting quote from a recent vista user:Sep 24 01:04
cubezzz"My first four computers were Amiga 1000, 2500, 3000 and 4000 machines and were much faster, more fun to use, and more reliable than what I now use."Sep 24 01:04
cubezzzI can remember anti-Linux comments from old school Unix guysSep 24 01:06
schestowitzhttp://lwn.net/Articles/353921/Sep 24 01:06
cubezzzor not anti-linux necessarily but a lack of interestSep 24 01:06
schestowitzcubezzz: yes, that's COLASep 24 01:06
schestowitzUNIX runs on iphone nowSep 24 01:07
schestowitzBut Linux is big on it tooSep 24 01:07
cubezzznow at least with old school Unix users, I could understand their point of view (to some degree)Sep 24 01:07
oiaohmAmigas where first to use equal to GPU assistance.Sep 24 01:07
schestowitzSymbian the biggestSep 24 01:07
oiaohmAnd Amigas also had 24 bit color.Sep 24 01:07
cubezzzAmiga was special wasn't it :)Sep 24 01:07
schestowitzI didn't have oneSep 24 01:08
cubezzzwhat OS does Iphone use?Sep 24 01:08
schestowitzPredates my childhoodSep 24 01:08
cubezzz....Sep 24 01:08
schestowitzIIRC, a mix that includes MachSep 24 01:08
cubezzzschestowitz, come on, Amiga isn't that old :)Sep 24 01:08
cubezzzEuropeans used itSep 24 01:09
cubezzzyes folks, the world wasn't always wintelSep 24 01:10
schestowitzdostelSep 24 01:10
cubezzzwe had 6809's, uh, 6502'sSep 24 01:11
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cubezzzbut before dostel there was cp/m and a whole load of competitorsSep 24 01:12
oiaohmAmiga is still going kind of.Sep 24 01:13
cubezzzoiaohm, yes there's http://softhut.comSep 24 01:14
cubezzzbut I stopped a while agoSep 24 01:14
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oiaohmhttp://aros.sourceforge.net/  << Kinda of cubezzzSep 24 01:15
cubezzzoiaohm, yeah but getting parts for your old 1200 or 4000 is getting harderSep 24 01:17
cubezzzdoes Aros run on any pc?Sep 24 01:17
oiaohmAros is a real strange kind of.Sep 24 01:17
oiaohmAros can run on top of a Linux kernel so can run everywhere.Sep 24 01:17
cubezzzlike Wine thenSep 24 01:18
oiaohmAnd it has its own kernel as well that is a bit hardware picky.Sep 24 01:18
oiaohmAgain kind of cubezzzSep 24 01:18
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-09-23-016-35-OP-CY-DT-0002Sep 24 01:22
cubezzzIBM did advertise Linux big-timeSep 24 01:23
cubezzzhaven't seen them do it lately thoughSep 24 01:24
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-09-23-018-35-NW-LL-0000 "No sorry its not "stealing" please cut the crap. "Sep 24 01:26
schestowitzcubezzz: depends.Sep 24 01:26
schestowitzNot much for the desktoSep 24 01:26
schestowitzIt's the anti-Linux WolfeSep 24 01:27
schestowitzhttp://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/09/microsoft_drm_p.html;jsessionid=05F511PMDGJU1QE1GHPSKHWATMY32JVN Microsoft DRM Patent Could Revive Peer-to-Peer Music NetsSep 24 01:27
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schestowitzInaccurate: http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/blog/globespotting/archives/2009/09/ibm_and_microso.htmlSep 24 01:40
schestowitzThey compete not cooperateSep 24 01:40
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cubezzzone prob with usb is the scanner hogs the busSep 24 02:53
cubezzzI don't think there's any way to allocate bandwidth... at least I can't think of a waySep 24 02:53
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Willanyone know what to make of this? :http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=4051Sep 24 03:51
WillAnd where does this put the "M&M" duo?Sep 24 03:52
twitterThe more I use applications written in .NET, the more I think .NET is a typical M$ turd.  Avoid at all costs.  Silverlight and Mono are second order disasters, dependent on the first larger one.Sep 24 04:05
twitterGNU/Linux should want nothing to do with any of it.  The originals are bad news.Sep 24 04:05
twitterSilverlight, thankfully, is gaining zero traction.Sep 24 04:06
Willtwitter: but it is beginning to gain an impressive list of operations that have dumped it.Sep 24 04:15
WillNBC, NY Times, for startersSep 24 04:17
twitterI wonder why MJF writes about it at all.Sep 24 04:17
WillI wonder what's up with Silverlight and Moblin.Sep 24 04:18
twitter"I wish I had this turd that no one publishes anything with." she whines.  "Oh Wow, I might get it with MONO"  I wonder if she's ever used any of that crap.Sep 24 04:18
twitterShe's been spun heavily and treated to a piping hot story about bovine excrement.Sep 24 04:19
twitterDo you actually want a cell phone with Silverlight?  I don't.Sep 24 04:19
Willtwitter:  Silverlight?  Just hearing "Windows Moble" puts it instantly on my "avoid like the black plague" list.Sep 24 04:20
twitterSilverlight on mobilin should also send you running for the hills.Sep 24 04:20
Willit confuses me.  GreatlySep 24 04:21
WillDoesn't this just confirm that Mono and Moonlight are useless?Sep 24 04:21
twitterIt's not hard.  Non free software sucks.  US cell phones are a nexus of non free software and the old Bell telephone monopoly, you can count on it to suck very hard.Sep 24 04:21
WillI thought we were talking about Moblin?Sep 24 04:22
twitterWhat it confirms to me is that M$ is trying to push their crap anywhere they can and failing.Sep 24 04:22
twitterMoblin is for cell phones, isn't it?  That was MJF's whole point, that Moblin might beat out everyone else to offering Silverlight on cell phones - pointless indeed.Sep 24 04:23
twitterPDAs have been doing the media thing for what?  A decade?Sep 24 04:23
Willright.  I had forgotten that Moblin was also for phones for a sec.  I was thinking netbooks.Sep 24 04:24
WillSometimes I think MS just spent so much time and energy building walls to keep the competition out that they finally got to a point where they had completely walled themselves in and trapped themselvesSep 24 04:26
twittertomboy?  WTF are that and mono doing in debian testing?  Must nuke that crap from my netbookSep 24 04:26
twitterEvery sabotage and booby trap M$ set M$ back in two ways.  First, they did not spend the effort making their own software better.  Second, the traps made their own software that much more complex, error prone and less reliable.Sep 24 04:27
twitterThey were a fraud all along.  Stealing instead of making.  Owning instead of servicing.  I'm glad they are going away.Sep 24 04:28
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WillThey also have a nasty habit of dragging their feet years if not decades about supporting any new technology or format that they don't control.  They rely on their overwhelming marketshare and the network effect to make this work.Sep 24 04:30
WillWhen that marketshare starts slipping, behavior like that is probably going to bit them hard.  You can already see it beginning in the browser area.Sep 24 04:31
WillIE is a lost cause.Sep 24 04:31
WillSo Firefox is getting the ribbon too now?  Maybe it's only for the Windows version:http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/351808/firefox-tidies-up-with-office-2007s-ribbonSep 24 04:51
Willbtw, speaking of browsers, safari's not that great, imo.  Not bad, just not great either.Sep 24 04:51
cubezzzanyone recall where the file command is from? Trying to do a port...Sep 24 04:52
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cubezzzthe could have at least put man pages in embedixSep 24 05:30
cubezzztheySep 24 05:30
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BNc[tracyrreed] Tonight flew as safety pilot over the ocean in the dark with an IFR student. Death spiral! Wheeeee...Sep 24 06:59
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tuxmaniaHi there :DSep 24 07:25
*tuxmania goes back to supporting linuxSep 24 07:31
schestowitzHeySep 24 07:34
schestowitzhttp://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/09/23/calling-lance-davis-give-us-our-domains-back/Sep 24 07:48
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8567Sep 24 07:49
schestowitz"Tired of the government bailing out banks? Get ready for this: officials may soon ask banks to bail out the government." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/22/business/22bailout.html?_r=1Sep 24 07:50
tuxmaniaI want to get bailed out, preferably on a remote island with clothing shortageSep 24 07:52
schestowitzhttp://www.monkeybusinessblog.com/goldman_superheroes/2008/09/superheroes-res.htmlSep 24 07:59
Diablo-D3....Sep 24 08:04
*Diablo-D3 double facepalmsSep 24 08:04
schestowitzNice picture: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/09/google-brings-chromes-renderer-to-ie-with-browser-plugin.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rssSep 24 08:05
BNc[davidgerard] Of course, this only works if the rest of the world is running Windows http://is.gd/3CFZGSep 24 08:06
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/23/schmidt-forecasts-monthly-acquisitions Schmidt Forecasts Monthly Acquisitions http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSTRE58L6JA20090923Sep 24 08:07
schestowitzFLOSS Weekly 13: Eben Moglen on GPL 3.0 < http://www.twit.tv/floss13 >Sep 24 08:18
schestowitzRed Hat second-quarter profit increases 37% http://www.marketwatch.com/story/red-hat-second-quarter-profit-increases-37-2009-09-23Sep 24 08:21
schestowitzbrbSep 24 08:21
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BNc[davidgerard] EMI tries to put the Lily Allen genie back into the bottle http://is.gd/3CJJH please forwardSep 24 08:48
BNc[davidgerard] EMI tries to put the @lilyroseallen genie back into the bottle with legal threats http://is.gd/3CJJH please forward less than 5 seconds agoSep 24 08:49
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tuxmaniaI hate it when corps fake grassrootsSep 24 09:04
tuxmaniaRight now its almost unbarable with the w7 hype and all the astroturfersSep 24 09:04
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schestowitztuxmania: yes, there's that tooSep 24 09:08
schestowitzIn BN I've begun including links to political AstroTurf in Daily LinksSep 24 09:08
schestowitzIt's something that I wish I had time to write about in length. Very important threat to democracy....Sep 24 09:08
BNc[schestowitz] #HP Launches #Linux Portal http://bit.ly/16EmpGSep 24 09:11
BNc[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Gets Games #Repository with #DJL http://bit.ly/2sRRjSep 24 09:13
BNc[schestowitz] #GNOME 2.28 is Released http://bit.ly/FELb3Sep 24 09:14
BNc[schestowitz] Latest #ArchLinux in Review  http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=960Sep 24 09:15
BNc[schestowitz] #Red Hat Profit Skyrockets 37% #truthhappens http://bit.ly/PTZek http://bit.ly/18zjSl http://bit.ly/SJ0ZY http://cn.reuters.com/article/ ...Sep 24 09:19
BNc[schestowitz] #RedHat Focuses on Servers That Run Web, Applications  http://bit.ly/1QLYl2Sep 24 09:21
BNc[schestowitz] #Karmic#Koala ( #GNU #Linux ) Will Eat #Vista7 for Breakfast  http://mybroadband.co.za/news/Software/9674.htmlSep 24 09:22
BNc[schestowitz] #Apple 's Attack on #Linux #Phones Carries on Causing Trouble  http://bit.ly/4v6trKSep 24 09:24
BNc[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Can Save #India Over $2,000,000,000 Per Year - #OSI  http://opensource.org/node/467Sep 24 09:31
BNc[schestowitz] Sluggish Computer a Good Candidate for #GNU #Linux Installation  http://thebulletin.us/articles/2009/09/20/business/doc4ab681c9832aa0858 ...Sep 24 09:32
tuxmaniaRoy, i must say i admire your work with this site.Sep 24 09:33
BNc[schestowitz] Dr. Evil #RichardBerman Caught #AstroTurfing Again (for People's Death)  http://bit.ly/12aZ3x http://bit.ly/18Mk8DSep 24 09:33
amarsh04former .au prime minister comments on .au (and .us) banks: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2009/s2694701.htmSep 24 09:34
tuxmaniaIve been following the PC and Microsoft since CP/M and there arent many who knows just how bad things are in computingSep 24 09:34
BNc[schestowitz] #GlobalWarming Denial #AstroTurf Suffers Setback http://www.prwatch.org/node/8571 http://www.prwatch.org/node/8572Sep 24 09:37
amarsh04I liked this statement and hope to get it validated in .au: "It's a commonly held belief that only the copyright holder of a work can enforce the license's terms - but that's not true in France. People who received software under the GNU GPL can also request compliance, since the license grants them rights from the authors."Sep 24 09:38
amarsh04http://fsffrance.org/news/article2009-09-22.en.htmlSep 24 09:38
BNc[schestowitz] #NetNeutrality Under Attack in #Europe and Under Attack from #Republicans http://bit.ly/1m6F3s http://bit.ly/101Hc7Sep 24 09:38
BNc[schestowitz] #Freedom of (Anonymous) Speech Suppressed in the Republic of... Texas???  http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/2009/ ...Sep 24 09:40
BNc[schestowitz] #Netflix and #Demon Give Customers' Personal Details Away  http://bit.ly/D9cfI http://bit.ly/jaOIGSep 24 09:41
schestowitzamarsh04: yes, I mentioned it last nightSep 24 09:42
schestowitztuxmania: thanks a lotSep 24 09:42
BNc[schestowitz] The French #MAFIAA Wants People Kicked Off the Web for Someone Else's Browsing Habits http://bit.ly/TXHejSep 24 09:47
BNc[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Shamed: #MAFIAA Boss Shows How to 'Steal' Files  http://techdirt.com/articles/20090922/1709526287.shtmlSep 24 09:48
BNc[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Patents Method for Attacking Computer Users While Ignoring Patents  http://bit.ly/vyULV http://bit.ly/ZnjdLSep 24 09:50
schestowitzMicrosoft likes software patents, unless these are used against Microsoft in which case Microsoft happily breaks the law it lobbied for.Sep 24 09:51
BNc[schestowitz] #Apple and #eBay Sued for Using #Encryption (Blame #SoftwarePatents )  http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/145759Sep 24 09:52
MinceRthe channel was a lot more readable when twits were noticesSep 24 09:53
MinceR(tweets?)Sep 24 09:53
schestowitzMinceR: yes, that's what I thoughtSep 24 09:53
MinceRplus annoybot doesn't even list url titles even nowSep 24 09:53
BNc[schestowitz] #IBM Pressured to Bring #GNU #Linux to Desktops in the West  http://bit.ly/3SZRxS http://bit.ly/18vPV0Sep 24 09:58
BNc[schestowitz] #Microsoft Betrays #Moonlight (and Shows It Lies All Along About a Port)  http://bit.ly/tC5rRSep 24 09:59
tuxmaniaMoonlight is all about getting mono into LinuxSep 24 10:00
schestowitzMinceR: that bot is not hereSep 24 10:01
schestowitztuxmania: of courseSep 24 10:01
schestowitz"Install Mono to view site'Sep 24 10:01
schestowitzI argued this in 2007Sep 24 10:01
schestowitzEven KDE/xfce users are affected by the Mono disease this waySep 24 10:01
tuxmaniai hope gnome gets its act together now that de iqaza has shown his true colorsSep 24 10:02
schestowitzI think some people there still like himSep 24 10:03
schestowitzI hope they also listen to the FSFSep 24 10:03
tuxmaniathe people in gnome that likes de iqaza might be Novell employes for all i knowSep 24 10:03
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BNc[anivar] RT @FFII 24 September is software patent freedom day!Sep 24 10:17
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amarsh04thanks schestowitz, I've quoted that article from FSF FranceSep 24 10:27
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trmancoschestowitz: put back notices if you want on bnc, I'll see what I can do with mineSep 24 11:10
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BNc[schestowitz] If Vista 7 is Wonderful Like Microsoft Claims, Then Why is Vista 8 Vapourware Already Surfacing?  http://bit.ly/ZRDJ0Sep 24 11:24
schestowitzNew page: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Vista_8_Reality_LogSep 24 11:28
BNc[omar_s_hafez] I just added the twitter app on FB.Sep 24 11:31
trmanco* 1.15 February 9th, 2010: Release KDE 4.4Sep 24 11:53
trmancohahaSep 24 11:54
trmancowhat a great day to release kde 4.4 :DSep 24 11:54
trmancohttp://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.3_Release_ScheduleSep 24 11:56
trmanco1st of October kde 4.3 gets it's second updateSep 24 11:56
BNc[schestowitz] #Pentagon Recognises the Threat of #Windows Botnets  http://bit.ly/KHQe3Sep 24 12:02
tuxmaniagawd i hate astroturfersSep 24 12:18
tuxmaniaidg.se, a swedish news site for it people is swampet by themSep 24 12:18
schestowitzI was just writing about itSep 24 12:19
schestowitzNot IDGSep 24 12:19
schestowitzBut ZDNetSep 24 12:19
tuxmaniaHad a surrelalistic moment now when a MS apologist started defending icazaSep 24 12:19
schestowitzThey got caught with their pants down, againSep 24 12:19
tuxmaniahehSep 24 12:19
schestowitzThey had a shill post an articleSep 24 12:19
schestowitzAnd got exposedSep 24 12:19
schestowitztuxmania: yes, it's about de IcazaSep 24 12:20
schestowitzMicrosoft's employee #3Sep 24 12:20
tuxmanialinky?Sep 24 12:20
schestowitzWait....Sep 24 12:20
schestowitzGive me 5 minutes.Sep 24 12:20
tuxmaniaoki, thanksSep 24 12:20
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BNc[schestowitz] #ZDNet Embeds Placements for Anti-Free Software Companies  http://bit.ly/KfDTmSep 24 12:31
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ninyhiSep 24 12:43
ninyi need to buy one laptop , so which one is better for GNU/Linux ?Sep 24 12:43
DaemonFCniny, System76 is a good choiceSep 24 12:43
ninycan you send me the link ?Sep 24 12:44
DaemonFCdon't own one myself, but I've used one and have only heard good thingsSep 24 12:44
DaemonFChttp://www.system76.com/Sep 24 12:44
DaemonFCI may get a new system or upgrade this one pretty soonSep 24 12:45
DaemonFCnow that quad core CPUs are pretty affordableSep 24 12:45
DaemonFCIntel is cutting the prices on their LGA 775 Core 2 Quad CPUsSep 24 12:46
DaemonFCso that's socket compatible with the same motherboard I already haveSep 24 12:46
DaemonFCright now I have a Core 2 DuoSep 24 12:46
ninyokSep 24 12:47
DaemonFCCore 2 Duo still runs any OS out there just fine thoughSep 24 12:47
DaemonFCprobably still overkill for most peopleSep 24 12:47
DaemonFCmost operating systems are getting to the point where RAM and GPU are much more important than CPUSep 24 12:49
MinceRand a few OSes aren't so bloated as to make such high demandsSep 24 12:50
DaemonFCMinceR, I mean they offload the GUI onto the GPUSep 24 12:51
DaemonFCKDE is doing that now tooSep 24 12:51
DaemonFCit's the best way to do thingsSep 24 12:51
MinceRit's the best way to do things where the GPU is capable enoughSep 24 12:51
DaemonFCit beats leaving the GPU there to burn electricity and do nothingSep 24 12:51
MinceRexcept if you have a 2D-only GPU or somethingSep 24 12:51
DaemonFCwell, pretty much any card within reason can do compositingSep 24 12:52
MinceRalso, let's not forget computers that don't even have a GUISep 24 12:52
ninyi live in India , they only ships in US and CanadaSep 24 12:52
DaemonFCI've ran Compiz Fusion and KWin on as little as a Geforce 6Sep 24 12:52
DaemonFCthose are what? $$20?Sep 24 12:52
DaemonFC$20 that isSep 24 12:52
Diablo-D3compiz fusion has no actual hardware requirementsSep 24 12:52
ninydo we get lenovo laptop without OS ?Sep 24 12:53
Diablo-D3if radeon R100s had supported the features compiz requires, it would have ran on them tooSep 24 12:53
DaemonFCeven most integrated chipsets can run Compiz, Kwin, or Windows AeroSep 24 12:53
Diablo-D3DaemonFC: not trueSep 24 12:53
DaemonFChelps if it's a dedicated card though because they have their own memory poolSep 24 12:53
Diablo-D3microsoft has artificial aero requirementsSep 24 12:53
MinceRniny: dunno, it's possible (but unlikely) that EmperorLinux ships thereSep 24 12:53
Diablo-D3which is stupid since aero does the same exact thing compiz and osx have done for yeeeaaaaarrrrsSep 24 12:54
DaemonFCpretty much anything with DirectX 9 support and 128 MB of video RAMSep 24 12:54
DaemonFCI have a DirectX 10.1 card with 512 megsSep 24 12:54
oiaohmOk bar lot of intels and via chipsets DaemonFCSep 24 12:54
DaemonFCmeh, you're forgetting how incredibly long lived DirectX 9 wasSep 24 12:54
oiaohmEVen that they support DirectX 9 with 128 MB of ram.Sep 24 12:54
oiaohmDirect X 9 is done in software.Sep 24 12:55
DaemonFCDirectX 9 hardware has been around for as long as XPSep 24 12:55
oiaohmSo Areo on them die like a dog.Sep 24 12:55
oiaohmSlow and painful.Sep 24 12:55
MinceRmincer@guardian(pts/7) % lspci|grep -i vgaSep 24 12:55
MinceR01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems CyberBlade/i1 (rev 6a)Sep 24 12:55
DaemonFCit is not!Sep 24 12:55
DaemonFCNvidia has had hardware support for DirectX 9 for a long long, long long long, long timeSep 24 12:55
DaemonFC:)Sep 24 12:55
oiaohmGPU costs power there are a lot of 2d only systems out there DaemonFCSep 24 12:55
oiaohmVIA and Intel.Sep 24 12:56
DaemonFCewwwSep 24 12:56
*DaemonFC pukesSep 24 12:56
Diablo-D3actually, compiz works on via and intel 3D hardware fineSep 24 12:56
DaemonFCIntel makes good processors, most of their motherboards are OKSep 24 12:56
oiaohmIf they have gpu's Diablo-D3Sep 24 12:56
DaemonFCbut nobody does motherboard video that performs wellSep 24 12:56
MinceRcompiz can trigger nvidia proprietary driver bugs thoughSep 24 12:56
oiaohmIntel and Via still produces some chips without GPU.Sep 24 12:57
MinceRnot something you'd want on a server :>Sep 24 12:57
DaemonFCthe Pentium 4 was a dud, but every company has had some dudsSep 24 12:57
Diablo-D3oiaohm: anything built in the past 5 years basically doesSep 24 12:57
oiaohmIn Via cases video  acelerator inside.Sep 24 12:57
DaemonFCI used AMD for a while while the Pentium 4 was my only Intel choiceSep 24 12:57
oiaohmNo some netbooks don't Diablo-D3Sep 24 12:57
Diablo-D3oiaohm: not trueSep 24 12:57
oiaohmPower limitations for battery life.Sep 24 12:57
oiaohmIts true Diablo-D3Sep 24 12:58
Diablo-D3any intel netbook does because it uses a 945 northbridgeSep 24 12:58
DaemonFCAMD is killing themselves anywaySep 24 12:58
DaemonFCthey can't keep doing business this way, it's not sustainableSep 24 12:58
oiaohmDoes a 945 have to have a operational gpu.Sep 24 12:58
oiaohmAnswer no.Sep 24 12:58
Diablo-D3oiaohm: uh, yesSep 24 12:58
oiaohmNo it does not Diablo-D3Sep 24 12:58
DaemonFCthey're bleeding cash right and left from the deep discounting they have to do to keep up with IntelSep 24 12:58
Diablo-D3Im pretty sure it doesSep 24 12:58
Diablo-D3oh shut up DaemonFCSep 24 12:58
oiaohmIt is a optional part Diablo-D3Sep 24 12:58
Diablo-D3no one wants to hear youSep 24 12:58
DaemonFCthe only argument left for AMD is that they're cheapSep 24 12:59
oiaohmYou can swap it out for a video acelrator.Sep 24 12:59
oiaohmThat is 2d only.Sep 24 12:59
DaemonFCIntel is discounting the Core 2 Quad though now and that beats the Phenom X4 at the same price rangeSep 24 12:59
oiaohmNot only DaemonFCSep 24 12:59
oiaohmWhere I am AMD chips seams to have longer lifes than INTEL.Sep 24 13:00
DaemonFCthe i7 gives everything else on the market a beatdown, period, but those are incredibly expensiveSep 24 13:00
oiaohmIt appears to be heat linked.Sep 24 13:00
Diablo-D3oiaohm: you do realize I'm specifically talking about 945GC/945GSE, right?Sep 24 13:00
Diablo-D3oiaohm: they all include GMA950sSep 24 13:00
DaemonFC945G was a bad motherboardSep 24 13:01
oiaohmOk there are a few more 945 than those two.Sep 24 13:01
DaemonFCno memory remapSep 24 13:01
Diablo-D3oiaohm: yes, Im not talking about the ones that wernt specifically for atom, Im aware of _those_ not having gpusSep 24 13:01
DaemonFCthe cheapest you'd want to go would be a G31 or a G33 seriesSep 24 13:01
Diablo-D3but atom 945s, ions, and via nano's northbridges all have GPUsSep 24 13:01
DaemonFCthose are all of $90-$150 nowSep 24 13:01
DaemonFCmaybe less, I haven't looked in a few monthsSep 24 13:02
oiaohmAtoms can be got for non gpu 945 and there are some devices out there using it.Sep 24 13:02
Diablo-D3we're talking netbooks here, oiaohmSep 24 13:02
oiaohmDue to the atom board you don't have enough room for gpu and video accelerator.Sep 24 13:02
MinceRyou are?Sep 24 13:02
DaemonFCI have a Foxconn G33M-S and aside from a BIOS bug that I complained about and they fixed, it has been a good boardSep 24 13:02
BNc[davidgerard] *cough* @lilyroseallen runs screaming from fire she lit in kitchen http://is.gd/3D4HySep 24 13:02
BNc[schestowitz] #IBM Pressured to Help Advance Desktop #GNU #Linux in the West  http://bit.ly/3sYyrSSep 24 13:02
Diablo-D3oiaohm: netbooks without gpus are doaSep 24 13:03
oiaohmsome netbooks chose the video acclerator Diablo-D3Sep 24 13:03
Diablo-D3well yes, some _can_ substituteSep 24 13:03
DaemonFCnetbooks as they are now are a fadSep 24 13:03
MinceRsome netbooks ship with video deceleratorsSep 24 13:03
MinceR(Poulsbo)Sep 24 13:03
Diablo-D3ion itself is a good substituteSep 24 13:03
DaemonFCmost of them anywaySep 24 13:03
Diablo-D3micro-9400m and a halfway decent northbridgeSep 24 13:03
DaemonFCI don't think there's any question that the touchscreen will catch onSep 24 13:04
DaemonFCevery OS is more or less ready for thatSep 24 13:04
Diablo-D3oiaohm: Im not aware of any netbooks/nettops that dont have some sort of a GPUSep 24 13:04
Diablo-D3oiaohm: it'd be a complete waste of time to manufacture itSep 24 13:04
oiaohmDiablo-D3: its gpu or video accerleator.Sep 24 13:04
Diablo-D3they can do 3D.Sep 24 13:04
Diablo-D3just barely, but they canSep 24 13:04
oiaohmNot all video accerlators.Sep 24 13:04
MinceRi thought the discussion started with OSes/computers in generalSep 24 13:04
*Diablo-D3 puts DaemonFC on ignore. again.Sep 24 13:05
oiaohmthe ones with audio feed linked off the acclerator cannot.Sep 24 13:05
Diablo-D3too much noise, too little signalSep 24 13:05
oiaohmIe something had to go to give perfectly sync audio and video.Sep 24 13:05
oiaohmSpace problem.Sep 24 13:05
BNc[davidgerard] I wonder how @lilyroseallen is going at the Featured Artists Coalition meeting today http://is.gd/3D59zSep 24 13:05
oiaohmNext year with next round of chip sets should allow this limitation to be given up Diablo-D3Sep 24 13:06
Diablo-D3oiaohm: if they contain gma950s, I'd sue the manufacturer for false advertisingSep 24 13:06
Diablo-D3in fact, if they exist, I'd sueSep 24 13:07
Diablo-D3no h264 acceleration without itSep 24 13:07
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oiaohmThe fun bit about direct X 9 is a card that would have been suitable for Direct X 6 can claim to be a full Direct X 9 supporting card.Sep 24 13:10
oiaohmThat is where people get caught.  Direct X 9 128 megs really does not say it can run vista or Windows 7.Sep 24 13:11
oiaohmBest clue is look at the opengl number if it is under 2.0 you don't have the gpu.Sep 24 13:11
oiaohmIn most cases.Sep 24 13:11
oiaohmFunny one a ATI R100 is a Direct X 9 card.Sep 24 13:12
oiaohmhttp://arstechnica.com/web/news/2009/09/horrifically-bad-software-demos-become-performance-art.ars  << Ok LOLSep 24 13:22
tuxmaniagawd how lily allen got ownedSep 24 13:22
BNc[davidgerard] "upsides" of unemployment: I have two spare notnews, two ideas and there's still hours of current news to RAAAGE atSep 24 13:23
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BNc[davidgerard] msi wind: mic is awful in ubuntu for skype, etc. is a plugin headset usable, though? anyone with actual experience of this? #ubuntuSep 24 13:31
BNc[schestowitz] Is #Microsoft / #Novell ’s #Moonlight Dead Now?  http://bit.ly/aUpsQSep 24 13:40
schestowitztuxmania: she didSep 24 13:41
schestowitzIt's good publicity for her thoughSep 24 13:41
schestowitzShe's in many headlines, which increases awarenessSep 24 13:41
tuxmaniaI dont know, in sweden some artists have almost disappeared after statements like thatSep 24 13:42
tuxmaniaits not always good to tell your customers they suckSep 24 13:42
schestowitzLike Abba?Sep 24 13:43
schestowitzI lost respect for them after they had joined the anti-TPB party lineSep 24 13:43
tuxmaniaMany others did too. But it wasnt whole of abba, just one of them.Sep 24 13:43
schestowitzI liked the film Mamma Mia though. Watched it a year ago (almost exactly 365 days ago)Sep 24 13:43
schestowitztuxmania: let me find something....Sep 24 13:44
schestowitzHere: http://torrentfreak.com/swedish-minister-takes-anti-pirate-bay-stance-090526/Sep 24 13:44
schestowitzWhat's wrong with the photo?Sep 24 13:44
tuxmaniawell for starter she is a politicianSep 24 13:45
tuxmaniai can see the Telia logo in the backgroundSep 24 13:45
tuxmaniaIm thinking of starting a astroturfer tracking groupSep 24 13:48
tuxmaniaIts illegal in EU yet very prevelentSep 24 13:48
oiaohmhttp://www.itnews.com.au/News/156528,nsw-seeks-to-build-unhackable-netbook-network.aspx  << Someone just raised the kick me sign.Sep 24 13:48
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oiaohmhttp://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8045255507.html?kc=rss  schestowitz pitty Ibm would not start doing this in the USA.  There are a lot of poor people everywhere.Sep 24 13:52
oiaohmhttp://boot.kernel.org/  Ok this is a odd ball projectSep 24 13:55
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BNc[popey] Hotel booked for LRL and OggCamp - http://lugradio.org/live/2009/ http://oggcamp.org/Sep 24 14:01
BNc[ml2mst] A little bit sad today. I was not able to fix Julian's computer. Julian brought me a broken AMD Athlon XP 1.40 Ghz based system to fix...Sep 24 14:01
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BNc[ml2mst] I wanted to prove my competence so badly to Julian, but failed.Sep 24 14:07
oiaohmNothing is unfixable its just how much it will cost in new parts.Sep 24 14:09
BNc[ml2mst] My first diagnose was a malfunctioning main board (after hearing his description) and I'm afraid, my first diagnose was right.Sep 24 14:10
BNc[ml2mst] I am not a quitter, always give all possibilities a try. Only after everything fails I give up.Sep 24 14:12
schestowitzoiaohm: see my post on IBM from this morningSep 24 14:17
schestowitzI greeSep 24 14:17
schestowitzoiaohm: the IT News article is from Microsoft shill Brett WinterfordSep 24 14:18
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+Brett+Winterford&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GBSep 24 14:18
schestowitz"Windows 7" + "uncrackable" = like shill Microsoft placementSep 24 14:18
schestowitzNever gets it wrong :-pSep 24 14:18
oiaohmBNc my line of work there is no such thing as unfixable.  New mainboard New cpu new ram ok basically new machine is still a fix.Sep 24 14:24
oiaohmhttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/microsoft-google-chrome-frame-makes-ie-less-secure.ars  LOL MS panic.Sep 24 14:27
schestowitzBNc is a script that brings Twits from regulars of BNSep 24 14:27
schestowitzSo Marti can't see your response hereSep 24 14:27
oiaohmOkSep 24 14:28
schestowitzoiaohm: LOLSep 24 14:28
schestowitzPredictable, re IESep 24 14:28
schestowitzoiaohm: proposed solution: move to ChromeSep 24 14:28
oiaohmMS loses control of IE they have lost the net.Sep 24 14:28
schestowitzMaxthonSep 24 14:28
oiaohmThis is kinda freedom for web developers.Sep 24 14:29
oiaohmNo worse having people install chrome plugin as flash.Sep 24 14:29
oiaohmBoth could possiably be nasty to end users.Sep 24 14:29
oiaohmIts really the next level of war with MS.  Don't just compete with MS products.  Embrace and Extend.Sep 24 14:31
oiaohmThen hopefully exterminate.Sep 24 14:32
MinceRextinguishSep 24 14:32
oiaohmExterminate in the sence of removing its power over standards.Sep 24 14:36
oiaohmThe software might be still around but its effect on the IT world becomes exterminated.Sep 24 14:36
oiaohmODF has had reasonable progress from the ODF plugins for MS Office.Sep 24 14:37
MinceRand since it's low quality, expensive crap that can't lock in any more, it will die. :>Sep 24 14:38
oiaohmExtinguish will take longer than exterminateSep 24 14:39
oiaohmAnnoying legacy systems.Sep 24 14:39
BNc[schestowitz] Microsoft Patents Customer-hostile DRM, Refuses to Obey Patent Law... Patent Troll Tracker Set Free  http://bit.ly/3zdFLaSep 24 14:39
schestowitzbblSep 24 14:40
oiaohmAt least the test cases on GPL are starting to turn up now.Sep 24 14:49
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tuxmaniare: chrome plugin in IE, i twitch when i read microsoft complaining about security in another productSep 24 14:52
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wallclimberMicrosoft often reminds me of ill-mannored, disruptive children.  When called out for their bad behavior they point fingers at others..."He started it" or "They made me do it" or "They did it first!" or whatever. They blame everyone else and never accept responsibility for their own decisions to behave badly.Sep 24 15:19
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Diablo-D3http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/9QdqzTrLw34/GPL-Wins-In-French-Court-CaseSep 24 15:34
amarsh04yes Diablo-D3, schestowitz posted http://fsffrance.org/news/article2009-09-22.en.html earlierSep 24 15:36
Diablo-D3er hehSep 24 15:37
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toddt72helloSep 24 16:06
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anth0nythelloSep 24 16:12
anth0nytdo not know??Sep 24 16:13
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BNc[davidgerard] quick while it lasts: lily allen macros on 4chan (NSFW) http://is.gd/3DmCSSep 24 16:36
BNc[davidgerard] quick while it lasts: lily allen macros on 4chan (NSFW) http://is.gd/3DmCS @lilyroseallenSep 24 16:37
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BNc[popey] Pffft Windows 7 Houseparties indeed.. Choose another way.. http://houseparty.cx/Sep 24 17:21
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BNc[anivar] RT @cis_india Photo of World Day Against Software Patents being celebrated at @cis_india: http://tr.im/zCr9 #ssp #swpatents #fossSep 24 17:28
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Will_Credit goes to an AC on /. for this:  Did Microsoft really just make an official statement that could easily be turned against Silverlight: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/09/24/1250228/Microsoft-Says-Google-Chrome-Frame-Makes-IE-Less-Secure?art_pos=5Sep 24 17:37
Will_From a Microsoft spokesperson: "'Given the security issues with plugins in general and Google Chrome in particular, Google Chrome Frame running as a plugin has doubled the attack area for malware and malicious scripts. This is not a risk we would recommend our friends and families take."Sep 24 17:38
Will_From an AC poster: "You just made one of the most important arguments against Silverlight official."Sep 24 17:39
MinceR:DSep 24 17:42
MinceRpwntSep 24 17:43
Will_A while ago I saw a plugin for IE that injected Firefox code into IE to give the ability to handle Canvas properly.  Now we have a plugin for IE that injects Chrome's renderer and JavaScript engine into it.Sep 24 17:44
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schestowitzWhat a ripoff. 20 quid for a shaver battery. Haha !Sep 24 18:04
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Diablo-D3and you know whats funny?Sep 24 18:05
schestowitzWhat happened to trmancobot?Sep 24 18:05
Diablo-D3that makes an argument _for_ javaSep 24 18:05
schestowitzOr ChromeSep 24 18:05
Diablo-D3since java has a near perfect sandboxSep 24 18:05
BNc[popey] Ara Pulido cranks out a screencast showing how easy it is to contribute to Ubuntu - in 6 minutes! http://bit.ly/13mjVsSep 24 18:08
schestowitzDiablo-D3: see comment: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/24/moonlight-maybe-dead-now/#commentsSep 24 18:09
Diablo-D3schestowitz: wowSep 24 18:15
Diablo-D3whoever wrote that is a fucking moronSep 24 18:15
Diablo-D3java is typically as fast as C (and, in an unrelated but similar thing, you have to write much more C to do what Java does)Sep 24 18:16
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Diablo-D3it doesnt use that much memory (and 7 uses far less)Sep 24 18:17
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schestowitztrmanco:  got the filter?Sep 24 18:32
schestowitzOh, here they go again..... http://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2009/09/successful-women-in-foss-and-it.htmlSep 24 18:34
BNc[davidgerard] for @lilyroseallen and fans: "ITS QUITE OVIOUS" http://quiteovious.blogspot.com/Sep 24 18:36
schestowitzhttp://nestux.com/blog/stallman-le-dice-traidor-a-icazaSep 24 18:37
Diablo-D3english pleaseSep 24 18:38
schestowitz*LOLSep 24 18:38
schestowitzSee David's linkSep 24 18:38
schestowitzLily gets no luvSep 24 18:39
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPXXGN0_-igSep 24 18:39
schestowitzYouTube is great for digging up music from ages ago within seconds.Sep 24 18:39
schestowitzhttp://crumja.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/links-roundup/Sep 24 18:40
schestowitz"In the open-source world, Miguel de Icaza has often been castigated, but none more harshly than this remark by Richard Stallman, calling him a traitor to the movement."Sep 24 18:40
schestowitzHey link to ZeeDee and saySep 24 18:40
schestowitz"Most reactions have been critical of Stallman for his harsh language and attempts to purify the community with an absurd witch-hunt."Sep 24 18:40
schestowitzMost???Sep 24 18:40
schestowitzProof?Sep 24 18:40
schestowitzExamples?Sep 24 18:40
schestowitz"I’ve met de Icaza in person in 2006 at Microsoft’s .NET conference when I worked as an intern there (the same summer that I met Bill Gates, Anders Heljsberg, and Jim Hugunin)."Sep 24 18:41
schestowitz"I met BillG. OMFG!!!!!1"Sep 24 18:41
schestowitz"His brainchild, Mono, is an amazing technical piece of work that should be embraced by the community as bringing more languages and software to our existing pool."Sep 24 18:42
schestowitzSays a dude with met BillG and echoes Miguel. Heh.Sep 24 18:42
schestowitz"I’m Richard, a 20 year old student currently attending UC Berkeley. " http://crumja.wordpress.com/about-2/Sep 24 18:43
cubezzzwell you can be hard-core against mono, and be anti-wine and go down the Stallman routeSep 24 18:46
cubezzzanything can be ported, I don't really see any reason to run windows .exe'sSep 24 18:47
cubezzzif it's something I wrote myself especially soSep 24 18:48
cubezzzbut something like an old windows game, which I don't have source code, then wine could be usedSep 24 18:51
schestowitzIt's differentSep 24 19:01
schestowitzWine does not involve development sideSep 24 19:01
schestowitzIt's compatibility for stuff that's binarySep 24 19:01
BNc[anivar] I just voted for http://pic.gd/e11fb5 Check it out! #TweetPhotoSep 24 19:02
schestowitzMono is about making Linux programs Microsoft-likeSep 24 19:02
schestowitzI.e. expanding Microsoft's ecosystemSep 24 19:02
BNc[schestowitz] @anivar thanks for the photo. http://bit.ly/3ulmNSSep 24 19:10
BNc[schestowitz] RT @timbrayIan Murdock's Linux family tree, way cool: http://bit.ly/45vi9kSep 24 19:13
Omar87Hi all.Sep 24 19:16
schestowitzHiSep 24 19:18
schestowitzThis is getting weird: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1556119/dell-microsoft-moblinSep 24 19:19
schestowitzWIntel tries to dominate LinuxSep 24 19:19
schestowitzSurvey: Online News Credibility Increasing http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/24/survey-online-news-credibility-increasingSep 24 19:21
schestowitzEBay may spin off PayPal http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/ebay_may_spin_off_paypal_M2a2b23nByvrZblyKSFMJNSep 24 19:24
schestowitzOmar87: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8270601.stmSep 24 19:27
schestowitzPseudo security makes jobs from marketing people (Snake oil)... http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/09/24/mcafee_ireland_job/Sep 24 19:31
schestowitzMicrosoft phones are ugly, as expected, like Zune.... http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/09/24/microsoft_mobiles/  Ewwwww..Sep 24 19:33
BNc[anivar] @schestowitz Thanks  for the coverageSep 24 19:34
cubezzzSoftlanding Linux System, never heard of thatSep 24 19:42
schestowitzThere's lots of good tstuff there and ian removed clutter (minor distros)Sep 24 19:44
schestowitzIt was new to me that United Linux made SLE ??Sep 24 19:44
schestowitzIBM does OK with Linux.... http://www.itespresso.fr/ibm-et-canonical-sengagengt-pour-les-netbooks-sous-ubuntu-en-afrique-31605.htmlSep 24 19:45
schestowitzSome folks give it too hard a time. They need to be pressured re sw patents mostly.Sep 24 19:45
cubezzzYggdrasil is the first one I saw, then DarkstarSep 24 19:46
cubezzzdidn't convert over immediately thoughSep 24 19:46
schestowitzGnash 0.8.6 Released! http://www.gnashdev.org/?q=node/71Sep 24 19:47
schestowitzcubezzz: no, MCC is the firstSep 24 19:47
schestowitzIt was made hereSep 24 19:47
Diablo-D3schestowitz: funny you mention thatSep 24 19:47
schestowitz200 yards from where I amSep 24 19:47
cubezzzschestowitz, first one _I_ saw :)Sep 24 19:47
*Diablo-D3 already has 8.6 installedSep 24 19:47
cubezzzI'm not a flash fanSep 24 19:49
cubezzzbut I am looking at gnashSep 24 19:49
schestowitzI need this just for YouTuveSep 24 19:51
schestowitzThat's what got it traction in the first place.. in recent year. After a reduc post dotnet boom and allSep 24 19:51
schestowitzI was totally impressed by mashup media players when I first saw YouTube around 2004Sep 24 19:52
schestowitzThis is brilliant news for Linux: http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/68204.html?wlc=1253818454Sep 24 19:52
schestowitzUp, up it goes.Sep 24 19:52
schestowitzLinux up 37%Sep 24 19:52
schestowitzMicrosoft down 32%Sep 24 19:53
cubezzzthere's a python script that downloads flv from youtube, most of the time I use thatSep 24 19:53
schestowitzMaybe I should do that tooSep 24 19:54
schestowitzI could then browse the site without FlashSep 24 19:54
schestowitzI have a plugin that gets it as oggSep 24 19:54
schestowitzIt's not a way to stream well, thoughSep 24 19:54
cubezzzcommand line is where it's at :)Sep 24 19:54
schestowitzMaybe I should look into gnash and swfdecSep 24 19:54
schestowitzI heard it's matureSep 24 19:54
schestowitz[H]omer says soSep 24 19:54
schestowitzcubezzz: but only if you know what you look forSep 24 19:55
schestowitzI watch many quick flicksSep 24 19:55
cubezzzFlare ftw, decompiles SWFsSep 24 19:57
cubezzzhttp://www.nowrap.de/flare.htmlSep 24 19:57
cubezzzwell when the streaming is slow, you may as well dload itSep 24 19:59
cubezzzno need for real timeSep 24 19:59
schestowitzObama urges banks to accept new sense of responsibility http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/sep/14/obama-speech-wall-streetSep 24 20:01
schestowitzStalin grandson in court fight to clear dictator's name http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/14/stalin-grandson-court-fightSep 24 20:02
BNc[schestowitz] In Wal-Mart's Image http://ping.fm/U1fckSep 24 20:04
schestowitzThe Obama Plan in 4 Minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUNCpnRBf9oSep 24 20:04
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shifuimamsup kidsSep 24 20:05
Omar87Hi all.Sep 24 20:07
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trmancoschestowitz: sorry, I took longer than I thought to get back homeSep 24 20:08
shifuimamhas anyone in here bought Microsoft TechNet?Sep 24 20:09
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schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/09/microsoft_tax_policies_in_spotlight_amid_state_budget_shortfall.html?ana=from_rssSep 24 20:11
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft tax policies in spotlight as WA state faces budget crunch .::. Size~: 44.56 KBSep 24 20:11
schestowitz"tax policies"... now there's a euphemismSep 24 20:11
cubezzzyeah that's funnySep 24 20:13
BNc[schestowitz] US Troops Attack Somalia < http://ping.fm/WwWMI >Sep 24 20:14
shifuimamguess that's a noSep 24 20:14
schestowitzLost youth: turning young girls into sex symbols < http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/sep/18/lost-youth-young-girls >Sep 24 20:14
trmanco:|Sep 24 20:14
schestowitzshifuimam: why TechNet?Sep 24 20:14
shifuimambecause it's awesome?Sep 24 20:14
schestowitztrmanco: Guardian rejects botsSep 24 20:15
schestowitzThat's normal, as per yesterdaySep 24 20:15
trmancoyeahSep 24 20:15
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trmancobut I think I can bypass thatSep 24 20:15
schestowitzshifuimam: whatever.Sep 24 20:15
trmancoI think all I need is a user agentSep 24 20:15
shifuimamschestowitz: why not?Sep 24 20:15
schestowitz*LOL* Lily falls deeper into the trap. http://techdirt.com/articles/20090923/1138026294.shtmlSep 24 20:16
phIRCeTitle: Some Questions For Lily Allen | Techdirt .::. Size~: 113.17 KBSep 24 20:16
trmancoschestowitz: you can put bnc back on noticesSep 24 20:18
cubezzzjust noticed the big jump re: RHTSep 24 20:18
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schestowitzDomino's gave free pizzas todaySep 24 20:20
schestowitzcubezzz: yes, expectedSep 24 20:20
schestowitzLinux too, in general. I'd post links laterSep 24 20:20
schestowitztrmanco: OKSep 24 20:20
schestowitzLet me change the codeSep 24 20:20
schestowitzLet's see if I can do it 'live'Sep 24 20:22
BNc[schestowitz] Why The Traditional News Media Is Becoming Less Relevant: They Didn't Adapt http://ping.fm/BMHnu They can't adapt. Innovator's dilemmaSep 24 20:23
phIRCeTitle: Why The Traditional News Media Is Becoming Less Relevant: They Didn't Adapt | Techdirt .::. Size~: 38.8 KBSep 24 20:23
schestowitzChanging code as I go alongSep 24 20:23
schestowitzNoSep 24 20:23
schestowitzPerl may be caching the codeSep 24 20:23
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shifuimamschestowitz is there any reason to NOT get technet?Sep 24 20:23
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schestowitzshifuimam: you could ask similarly, why not get a bath?Sep 24 20:24
schestowitzIt's not a topic we deal withSep 24 20:24
shifuimammkaySep 24 20:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Allen retreats after reciting MAFIAA line: "A Teaching Moment For Lily Allen [Update: And *Poof* Goes Her Blog]" http://ping.fm/iG7uoSep 24 20:25
phIRCeTitle: A Teaching Moment For Lily Allen [Update: And *Poof* Goes Her Blog] | Techdirt .::. Size~: 266.59 KBSep 24 20:25
trmanco:)Sep 24 20:25
schestowitz"Update: Wow. In the half an hour or so that I took to write this post, Lily erased the blog post where she responded (I've got a screenshot if anyone wants to see it), and just added a note to Twitter, saying that she's shut down the entire blog due to too much abuse. Lily, it's not abuse if we're just asking you to rethink your positions that appear to not be particularly well thought out."Sep 24 20:26
schestowitzLMAOSep 24 20:26
schestowitzSHe's trying to push in MAFIAA law and her fans must be going berserk, she can't take itSep 24 20:26
schestowitz\Sep 24 20:26
schestowitzGetting Paid Might Kill You? http://techdirt.com/articles/20090913/1644506169.shtmlSep 24 20:28
phIRCeTitle: Getting Paid Might Kill You? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 48.85 KBSep 24 20:29
schestowitzI like this guy's blogSep 24 20:29
schestowitzEven if he's not paid a single penny he benefits from the links economy and grows in influence that he puts to good use, e.g. against MAFIAASep 24 20:29
Diablo-D3schestowitz: I do that too you know >_>Sep 24 20:32
schestowitzBut you don't blog muchSep 24 20:32
schestowitzGroklaw doesn't either, not anymoreSep 24 20:33
Omar87Hi guys.Sep 24 20:33
Omar87Anybody here listens to the Alex Jones radio?Sep 24 20:33
schestowitzhttp://www.sacramentopress.com/headline/14158/Where_Is_My_GreenSep 24 20:33
schestowitz"I choose Ubuntu Green as a name of our organization, because I believe deeply in the South African term Ubuntu, which speaks to the common humanity and interdependence of all of humanity. The green movement will not be successful unless its goals are firmly rooted in ensuring green justice through the improving of the daily lives of all the world’s citizens."Sep 24 20:33
schestowitzOmar87: he's nuts too oftenSep 24 20:34
schestowitzLet me find that Jones go nutz video.....Sep 24 20:34
Omar87schestowitz: That's not my question.Sep 24 20:35
schestowitzHere: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APTn1EPg9E&feature=relatedSep 24 20:35
phIRCeTitle: YouTube - Alex Jones Interviews Noam Chomsky (Part 5) .::. Size~: 127.67 KBSep 24 20:35
Omar87schestowitz: My question is that, is the radio always live?Sep 24 20:35
schestowitzI watched his RMS interviewishSep 24 20:36
schestowitzIt was goodSep 24 20:36
schestowitzHe didn't behave badlySep 24 20:36
schestowitzAnd he was humble with RMSSep 24 20:36
schestowitzOmar87: twit.tv is usualyl live and it's goodSep 24 20:36
schestowitzhttp://www.twit.tv/FLOSSSep 24 20:36
phIRCeTitle: The TWiT Netcast Network with Leo Laporte .::. Size~: 22.95 KBSep 24 20:36
schestowitzhttp://live.twit.tv/Sep 24 20:36
phIRCeTitle: TWiT Live - Live Netcasts from TWiT with Leo Laporte and Friends .::. Size~: 9.75 KBSep 24 20:36
Omar87schestowitz: 'coz I am listening to him right now, and he seems to be talking to two of his colleagues who seem to be trapped in a riot with the military throwing rubber-bullets, gas and even sound bombs at them.Sep 24 20:38
schestowitzSounds like fffun.Sep 24 20:38
Omar87schestowitz: And he keeps on telling them to just get the hell outta there and try to find someplace safe and not let the police confiscate a video that they have taken.Sep 24 20:39
schestowitzamarsh04: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/09/hp-launches-communitylinuxorg.htmlSep 24 20:39
schestowitzOmar87: yeah, I can imagineSep 24 20:40
Omar87schestowitz: I ain't sure, but could something like that be happening right now somewhere in the US?Sep 24 20:40
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Omar87schestowitz: Really?Sep 24 20:40
schestowitzSometimes the solution is to throw many people at the problemSep 24 20:41
schestowitzLots of camerasSep 24 20:41
schestowitzSo they can't capture them allSep 24 20:41
schestowitzIn big protest it happensSep 24 20:41
amarsh04just clicking now schestowitzSep 24 20:41
schestowitzThey have to act polite cause they can't hide the footage and they know they are surroundedSep 24 20:41
Omar87schestowitz: And he said it's happening in Pittsburgh.Sep 24 20:41
schestowitzlike when alex jones refused the  fingerprints scanSep 24 20:42
Omar87schestowitz: I loved it when Alex Jones exposed those bizarre rituals at the Bohemian Grove.Sep 24 20:43
trmancohttp://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/2011.jpgSep 24 20:47
phIRCeTitle: Not a web page! Aborting... .::. Size~: Too big!Sep 24 20:47
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schestowitzOmar87: take it with a grain of saltSep 24 20:48
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pepsilolSep 24 20:48
schestowitzHe talks some false nonsense sometimes, maybe knowinglySep 24 20:48
Omar87schestowitz: What?Sep 24 20:48
pepsiwhat the hell is going on in here?Sep 24 20:48
pepsiand why do you fags where your ophats?Sep 24 20:49
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pepsihilariousSep 24 20:49
pepsifuck shit cunt whore bitch assSep 24 20:49
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schestowitzOmar87: you want examples?Sep 24 20:49
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pepsihehSep 24 20:49
_goblinmy my, what a potty mouth you have pepsi....Sep 24 20:50
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*pepsi shakes in his bootsSep 24 20:50
_goblindon't be frightened......Sep 24 20:51
schestowitzCOLA is still worseSep 24 20:51
_goblinsorry...Hi Roy!Sep 24 20:51
pepsii prefer cokeSep 24 20:51
Diablo-D3.....Sep 24 20:52
pepsii like the way it smellsSep 24 20:52
Diablo-D3says the guy named pepsiSep 24 20:52
schestowitz"Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE: RHT) rallied $1.17 or 4.70% to $26.05 after The biggest seller of the Linux operating system reported second- quarter sales and profit that beat analysts’ estimates as subscription revenue rose."Sep 24 20:52
Omar87schestowitz: Actually, I do believe in most of what he says. Not because he says it, but because I watched a documentary that talks about all that in incredible and frightening detail.Sep 24 20:52
pepsilolSep 24 20:52
pepsia channel full of botsSep 24 20:52
schestowitzFrom http://www.benzinga.com/16612/industrials/stocks-to-watch-ctas-erts-rimm-rht-hero-payx-ppsSep 24 20:52
pepsilosersSep 24 20:52
phIRCeTitle: Stocks to Watch (CTAS,ERTS,RIMM,RHT,HERO,PAYX,PPS) | Benzinga.com .::. Size~: 57.8 KBSep 24 20:52
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Diablo-D3schestowitz: btw, see today's RHT?Sep 24 20:52
Diablo-D3went upSep 24 20:52
cubezzzyesSep 24 20:52
schestowitzprofit up 37%Sep 24 20:53
schestowitzOpposite of MSFTSep 24 20:53
schestowitzMSFT changed how it reports earningsSep 24 20:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Parents beg for mercy from Justin Fletcher http://notnews.today.com/?p=661Sep 24 20:53
phIRCeTitle: Parents beg for mercy from Justin Fletcher - News of the News .::. Size~: 33.33 KBSep 24 20:53
schestowitzSo it won't be comparableSep 24 20:53
Omar87_goblin: Hey there! :)Sep 24 20:53
_goblinhi! how you doing?Sep 24 20:53
Omar87_goblin: Great! Thanks. :)Sep 24 20:53
_goblinwhats up with phIRCe?Sep 24 20:54
schestowitzOmar87: Obama Deception is a good oneSep 24 20:54
Omar87_goblin: You?Sep 24 20:54
schestowitzUnlike others, it is not filled with noise and disinfoSep 24 20:54
schestowitzMaybe he learned to keep away the trashSep 24 20:54
schestowitzThe RMS interview was very clean, for instanceSep 24 20:54
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Omar87schestowitz: Yeah, I didn't watch it yet, but I think it seems interesting.Sep 24 20:55
schestowitz_goblin: it watches language and echoes URLs as titlesSep 24 20:55
schestowitzOmar87: it's very goodSep 24 20:55
Omar87schestowitz: Yeah.Sep 24 20:55
schestowitzGo for it at the expense of other stuff. As for me, I plan to watch Monty Python on YTSep 24 20:55
schestowitzOmar87: also very currentSep 24 20:55
schestowitzMaybe the latest outputSep 24 20:55
trmancohttp://news.netcraft.com/archives/2009/09/23/september_2009_web_server_survey.htmlSep 24 20:55
phIRCeTitle: September 2009 Web Server Survey - Netcraft .::. Size~: 19.92 KBSep 24 20:55
schestowitzNone of Jones' BS of global warming denial and 9/11 conspiracy theorySep 24 20:56
schestowitztrmanco: I don't do Netcraft anymore. They lost credibilitySep 24 20:56
Omar87schestowitz: Great. I'll try watch it as soon as I have the chance.Sep 24 20:56
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schestowitzRed Hat u 14%Sep 24 20:58
schestowitzIn one daySep 24 20:58
Omar87schestowitz: Well, regarding 9/11, I too believe it was an inside job. And I believed waaaay before I knew that Alex Jones actually exists.Sep 24 20:58
sebsebsebhiSep 24 20:59
schestowitzhttp://magazine.redhat.com/2009/09/15/where-have-we-been/Sep 24 21:00
phIRCeTitle: Red Hat Magazine | Where have we&nbsp;been? .::. Size~: 19.89 KBSep 24 21:00
schestowitzBeen quiet thereSep 24 21:00
schestowitzOmar87: it has nothing to do with Jones that one... the hypothesis was created just shortly after the incident, but it was (And still is) far fetched. What's problematic though is the deficient investigation.Sep 24 21:05
schestowitzhttp://www.lifehacker.com.au/2009/09/music-applet-controls-tunes-from-the-linux-system-tray/Sep 24 21:05
phIRCeTitle: Music Applet Controls Tunes From The Linux System Tray | Lifehacker Australia .::. Size~: 30.77 KBSep 24 21:05
schestowitzHow is this new?Sep 24 21:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] News media might save itself with s*cial m*dia http://is.gd/3DEy6 but Cluetrain Manifesto had it all 10 years ago http://is.gd/3DEzvSep 24 21:07
phIRCeTitle: Nieman Reports | Why the News Media Became Irrelevant—And How Social Media Can Help .::. Size~: 64.93 KBSep 24 21:07
Omar87schestowitz: I know. I has nothing do with Jones. Jones is just another civilian looking for answers like everyone else. But still, I do believe that there's a hell of a lot more to it than just bunch of men kidnapped a couple airplanes and penetrated flew them through the two towers.Sep 24 21:08
Omar87schestowitz: It** has nothing to do with Jones..Sep 24 21:09
schestowitzI remember a professor talking about this just days after 9/11Sep 24 21:09
schestowitzMaybe a NYC professors, I can't recall for sure. That's when I first heard about these theories, of which there are many variantsSep 24 21:10
schestowitzMore of the theory came again after other incidents like Iraq invasion, which then tied it to "pretext" allegation"Sep 24 21:11
schestowitzBut just scooping stuff up years later ain't too compellingSep 24 21:11
schestowitzThere are many people involved and so many things to pick in such complex events and things prior to itSep 24 21:11
schestowitzIt would be insane to plan something like thatSep 24 21:11
Omar87TrueSep 24 21:11
schestowitzhttp://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/business/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=220100633Sep 24 21:12
phIRCeTitle: Ericsson Intros Mobile Broadband Module -- Mobile Broadband -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 58.1 KBSep 24 21:12
schestowitzhttp://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/google/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=220100440Sep 24 21:14
schestowitz"Although Google released Picasa 3.0 for Linux, a company spokesperson said that version 3.5 is only being released for Mac and Windows due to low adoption of Picasa 3.0 among Linux users."Sep 24 21:14
phIRCeTitle: Google Releases Picasa 3.5 -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 57.42 KBSep 24 21:14
schestowitzThey should be surprised if they make a friggin WINE!!! (+DirectX) program 'for Linux;'Sep 24 21:14
schestowitzAnd it's proprietarySep 24 21:14
schestowitzLinux has better photo management appsSep 24 21:14
Omar87schestowitz: did you hear about the new O'reilly-Microsoft deal?Sep 24 21:15
Omar87schestowitz: It seems like MS will go DRM-free on books.Sep 24 21:16
schestowitzhttp://apcmag.com/netgear-unveils-new-399-home-nas-box.htmSep 24 21:17
schestowitzOmar87: got any links? I didn't hear about itSep 24 21:18
schestowitzIt sounds insignificant if Microsoft merely joins the 21st century 9 years late :-pSep 24 21:18
schestowitzTell me when MS embraces CCSep 24 21:18
Omar87Here's one: http://www.microsoft.com/learning/en/us/update.aspxSep 24 21:20
schestowitzEwww.. microsoft.comSep 24 21:21
schestowitzApt URLSep 24 21:21
schestowitzMicrosoft is slowly "learning"... how to liveSep 24 21:22
schestowitzhttp://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/09/23/linuxcon_2009_ibm_canonical_africa/Sep 24 21:24
phIRCeTitle: IBM and Canonical push onto African netbooks • Channel Register .::. Size~: 22.7 KBSep 24 21:25
schestowitzMicrosoft marketing has become SOOOO weird. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10360431-62.htmlSep 24 21:28
phIRCeTitle: New Windows 7 launch video breaks bizarre barrier | Software, Interrupted - CNET News .::. Size~: 217.58 KBSep 24 21:28
schestowitzThat video is embarrassingSep 24 21:28
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxworld.com/news/2009/092409-intel-ports-linux-netbook-os.html?fsrc=rss-linux-newsSep 24 21:38
phIRCeTitle: Intel ports Linux netbook OS to desktops - LinuxWorld .::. Size~: 35.84 KBSep 24 21:38
trmancohehSep 24 21:45
trmancothe bot is eating up 1 MB of ramSep 24 21:45
trmanco:)Sep 24 21:45
trmancoit's still nice and slimSep 24 21:45
schestowitzhttp://pclinuxos2007.blogspot.com/2009/09/how-to-play-real-media-files-on-mplayer.htmlSep 24 21:54
phIRCeTitle: PCLinuxOS - the Big Daddy of all Desktop Linux Distributions: How to Play Real Media Files on Mplayer - Mepis 8 .::. Size~: 101.26 KBSep 24 21:54
schestowitztrmanco: chop the bots arm, it'll be slimmerSep 24 21:54
schestowitzt'sSep 24 21:54
schestowitzomg!ubuntu http://d0od.blogspot.com/2009/09/dropbox-install-karmic.htmlSep 24 21:54
phIRCeTitle: OMG! UBUNTU!: 5 Steps To Install Dropbox In Karmic Alpha .::. Size~: 141.06 KBSep 24 21:55
trmancoLOLSep 24 21:56
schestowitzIt's true that some people indeed criticise the FSF.Sep 24 21:56
schestowitzhttp://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/Mono-A-modest-proposal http://sinaisix.blogspot.com/2009/09/free-and-open-source-software-dogmatism.html http://shanefagan.com/2009/09/23/fsf/Sep 24 21:57
schestowitzLaggy or confused?Sep 24 21:57
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/24/hp_communitylinux_dot_org/Sep 24 21:57
phIRCeTitle: HP launches Linux-fiddling support group • The Register .::. Size~: 24 KBSep 24 21:57
schestowitzhttp://www.crn.com/software/220100969;jsessionid=5POI32ZDO3YGLQE1GHPSKHWATMY32JVNSep 24 21:58
phIRCeTitle: Red Hat Numbers Show Linux Has Staying Power - The Chart - IT Channel News And Views by CRN and VARBusiness .::. Size~: 37.29 KBSep 24 21:58
trmancobothSep 24 21:58
trmancoit stop reading after finding a linkSep 24 21:58
trmancostops*Sep 24 21:58
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trmancohttp://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3840776/Sep 24 22:03
phIRCeTitle: Red Hat: Linux Pays Off - And Isn't Bloated - InternetNews.com .::. Size~: 147.66 KBSep 24 22:03
trmancohttp://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/09/big-win-for-gnu-gpl-in-france.htmlSep 24 22:04
phIRCeTitle: open...: Big Win for GNU GPL in France .::. Size~: 117.22 KBSep 24 22:04
schestowitzhttp://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wireless-t61.htmlSep 24 22:04
schestowitzThis guy has excellent articlesSep 24 22:04
trmancohttp://lserinol.blogspot.com/2009/09/io-usage-per-process-on-linux.htmlSep 24 22:05
phIRCeTitle: Levent Serinol's Blog: I/O usage per process on Linux .::. Size~: 97.12 KBSep 24 22:05
schestowitzWhat's the importance?Sep 24 22:09
trmancowhich link?Sep 24 22:10
schestowitzLast oneSep 24 22:11
trmancogood for sysadminsSep 24 22:11
schestowitzSeems like a utility test that's too simply to conclude so much fromSep 24 22:11
schestowitzThought it was related to "bloat'Sep 24 22:11
trmanconoSep 24 22:11
trmancoit's not relatedSep 24 22:11
trmancohttp://ostatic.com/blog/five-resources-for-open-source-fontsSep 24 22:12
phIRCeTitle:  Five Resources for Open Source Fonts  .::. Size~: 28.33 KBSep 24 22:12
trmanco"Microsoft responded to the release of Chrome Frame by claiming that Google's new plugin makes IE 8 less secure. In a comment made to Ars Technica, Microsoft said that installing the plugin "is not a risk we would recommend our friends and families take."Sep 24 22:15
trmancotranslation: don't use the plugin because you are going to wreck our businessSep 24 22:16
schestowitztrmanco: I saw thatSep 24 22:19
schestowitzWas just about to post it to COLASep 24 22:19
schestowitzLet's see what's new thereSep 24 22:19
schestowitztrmanco: remember their Firefox pluginSep 24 22:19
trmanconothing worth readingSep 24 22:19
trmancoI don'tSep 24 22:19
schestowitz.NET stealth install... WIndows UpdateSep 24 22:20
trmancowhat FF plugin?Sep 24 22:20
schestowitzPeople forgot about thatSep 24 22:20
trmancoah that crapSep 24 22:20
schestowitzYou don't remember?Sep 24 22:20
schestowitzYesSep 24 22:20
schestowitzI have some posts about itSep 24 22:20
schestowitzWill write in the morning.....Sep 24 22:20
trmancoit appended the ".NET CLR VERSION" to your user agent stringSep 24 22:20
trmancoso your are insinuating that they are going to backdoor a plugin into IE so that it blacklists the chrome frame from being installed?Sep 24 22:21
cubezzzseems simpler just to not use IE at allSep 24 22:26
trmancohttp://mail.gnome.org/archives/marketing-list/2009-September/msg00102.htmlSep 24 22:26
trmancowell, say that to the Lusers that use IE to break the webSep 24 22:26
trmancoI'm sure they won't listen :-PSep 24 22:26
cubezzzsome do, some don'tSep 24 22:27
trmancoyes trueSep 24 22:28
*PetoKraus has quit ("Leaving")Sep 24 22:28
trmancobut stubborn people existSep 24 22:28
MinceRhttp://apple.slashdot.org/story/09/09/23/015204/USB-IF-Slaps-Palm-In-iTunes-Spat?from=rssSep 24 22:28
phIRCeTitle: Slashdot Apple Story | USB-IF Slaps Palm In iTunes Spat .::. Size~: 191.7 KBSep 24 22:29
MinceRusb-if fights for crAppleSep 24 22:29
MinceRand lock-inSep 24 22:29
trmancohttp://www.tuxradar.com/learnqtSep 24 22:30
phIRCeTitle: Learn Qt programming with our free tutorials | TuxRadar .::. Size~: 15.56 KBSep 24 22:30
trmancohttp://www.tuxradar.com/content/code-project-create-qt-rss-readerSep 24 22:30
phIRCeTitle: Code Project: create a Qt RSS reader | TuxRadar .::. Size~: 34.62 KBSep 24 22:30
trmancofinally something usefulSep 24 22:30
cubezzzSharp could have done a better job supporting ZaurusSep 24 22:31
cubezzzbut there's enough code out there, so no biggieSep 24 22:31
schestowitzYes, I saw these qt atticlesSep 24 22:31
cubezzzI'm still trying to find the code for file, or what package it's inSep 24 22:33
cubezzzit doesn't seem to be gnuSep 24 22:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Peoplee worry about the Google Books settlement because Google Books is so stupendously brilliant http://is.gd/3DJjYSep 24 22:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Bloomberg Chooses #GNU #Linux for Calculations http://bit.ly/kAqAQSep 24 22:35
phIRCeTitle: A Writer&#8217;s Plea: Figure Out How to Preserve Google Books | Epicenter | Wired.com .::. Size~: 83.02 KBSep 24 22:35
trmancohttp://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/168-brian-proffitt/79395-linuxcon-shuttleworths-three-methods-to-improve-foss-dSep 24 22:36
phIRCeTitle: LinuxCon: Shuttleworth's Three Methods to Improve FOSS Development .::. Size~: 41.71 KBSep 24 22:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Desktop #GNU #Linux Passes Test for Another New User http://www.opensource.org/node/469Sep 24 22:36
phIRCeTitle: Linux is now good enough for many end users | Open Source Initiative .::. Size~: 12.04 KBSep 24 22:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many Old Computers Silently Migrated to #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/TOmof http://bit.ly/3EtA7bSep 24 22:38
phIRCeTitle: Free Geek: Donate Old Computers, Volunteer for a Free Computer .::. Size~: 25.06 KBSep 24 22:38
schestowitzNice.Sep 24 22:39
schestowitzThe bot augments theseSep 24 22:39
trmancohttp://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/09/24/microsoft-launches-website-spark-hopes-web-devs-will-take-candy/Sep 24 22:40
phIRCeTitle: Microsoft launches Website Spark, hopes web devs will take candy from strangers .::. Size~: 79.26 KBSep 24 22:40
schestowitzDumpSparkSep 24 22:42
schestowitzAnother one of thr seireSep 24 22:42
schestowitzBiz and DreamSep 24 22:42
schestowitzThey are desparateSep 24 22:42
schestowitzAnd they make no money from thisSep 24 22:43
schestowitzThey hope for more lockinSep 24 22:43
schestowitzI saw it earlier and was gonna write about it tomorrowSep 24 22:43
schestowitzTHe editor of DownloadSquad doesn't like me, but he follows me in TwitterSep 24 22:43
trmancohttp://lifehacker.com/5366841/gmail-slow-or-down-for-some-imap-still-workingSep 24 22:44
phIRCeTitle: Gmail Slow or Down for Some, IMAP Still Working - Gmail - Lifehacker .::. Size~: 60.28 KBSep 24 22:44
trmancofinallySep 24 22:44
trmanco"IMAP still working"Sep 24 22:44
schestowitz"@silner absolutely. I quite like her. Masnick hopefully helped her see the other side of things, politely."Sep 24 22:47
schestowitzgmail.. meh.Sep 24 22:47
schestowitzg-meh-ilSep 24 22:47
schestowitzLet the Big Google handle your commsSep 24 22:48
schestowitzBecause knowing what you visit and search for is not enoughSep 24 22:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Network Security Toolkit for #Linux Release http://bit.ly/EO6eOSep 24 22:49
phIRCeTitle: Network Security Toolkit 2.11.0 Is Based on the 2.6.30.5 Linux Kernel - The operating system is now using RPM packages - Softpedia .::. Size~: 49.35 KBSep 24 22:49
trmanco"When someone fixes your crap for you, you thank them. And Google Chrome Frame is basically a copy of Chrome, sans, er... the chrome. It uses the same automatic, silent update system as Chrome. Any security flaws can literally be fixed for all users within 24 hours. You have no argument left Microsoft. Get your act together and instead of scaremongering, fix your crap."Sep 24 22:49
trmanco"Microsoft got one thing right - I would never, ever recommend any of my friends and family to use IE. Using IE is the worst fate, that even my enemy should be spared from."Sep 24 22:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux to Boot via the Internet http://bit.ly/Vm6aQSep 24 22:52
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #OpenOffice.org for Kids ( #OOo4kids ) http://bit.ly/dEdWnSep 24 22:54
phIRCeTitle: OOo4kids: Special Version for Kids &laquo; Saigkill&#039;s Backtrace .::. Size~: 37.95 KBSep 24 22:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Early Reviews of #GNOME 2.28 http://bit.ly/IzyRa http://bit.ly/Xl4H8 http://bit.ly/LRBeOSep 24 22:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PuppyLinux 4.3 Seen as a Good Replacement for Windows http://bit.ly/19onTqSep 24 23:00
phIRCeTitle: Linux 2u: Puppy Linux 4.3 -Linux 2u .::. Size~: 80.52 KBSep 24 23:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva Organises a Contest for All to Participate in http://bit.ly/qJ3uDSep 24 23:01
phIRCeTitle: The Official Mandriva Blog  &raquo; Blog Archive   &raquo; Moovida Media Center Development Contest  .::. Size~: 24.68 KBSep 24 23:01
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Despite Economic Depression, #Linux Celebrates Massive Growth (Red Hat Family) http://bit.ly/BJXSASep 24 23:07
phIRCeTitle: Linux News: Financial News: Red Hat Rises on Rosy Q2 Results .::. Size~: 46.76 KBSep 24 23:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Says #Linux is Thin http://bit.ly/xdn8dSep 24 23:09
phIRCeTitle: Red Hat: Linux Pays Off - And Isn't Bloated - InternetNews.com .::. Size~: 147.66 KBSep 24 23:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Zenwalk and Its New Fork #Salix Both Reviewed, Work Well http://bit.ly/3SOuyS http://bit.ly/pvXw3Sep 24 23:10
phIRCeTitle: Zenwalk 6.2 Review &#8212;  LinuxBSDos.com .::. Size~: 54.93 KBSep 24 23:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux to Offer #Hardware Compatibility Checker http://bit.ly/2LC4umSep 24 23:12
phIRCeTitle: Will Ubuntu 9.10 Work With My PC? | WorksWithU .::. Size~: 54.14 KBSep 24 23:12
*desu_ is now known as desuSep 24 23:14
trmanco:)Sep 24 23:14
trmancoI just made an improvementSep 24 23:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Boots Fast in #Ubuntu http://bit.ly/7ePQV , Shuttleworth Pitches Development http://bit.ly/1XTalFSep 24 23:17
phIRCeTitle: Booting up Ubuntu in five seconds flat on an SSD - FierceCIO:TechWatch .::. Size~: 35.42 KBSep 24 23:17
trmanco!quit phIRCeSep 24 23:18
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trmanco[Notice] -BNc to #boycottnovell- [schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Boots Fast in #Ubuntu http://bit.ly/7ePQV  , Shuttleworth Pitches Development http://bit.ly/1XTalFSep 24 23:18
phIRCe_Title: Booting up Ubuntu in five seconds flat on an SSD - FierceCIO:TechWatch .::. Size~: 35.42 KBSep 24 23:18
phIRCe_Title: LinuxCon: Shuttleworth's Three Methods to Improve FOSS Development .::. Size~: 41.71 KBSep 24 23:18
trmanco:)Sep 24 23:18
trmancoooopsSep 24 23:19
trmancoforgot to change somethingSep 24 23:19
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Linux -powered Phones Come to the #UK http://bit.ly/P6vvw http://bit.ly/XSYo2Sep 24 23:27
phIRCeTitle: O2 confirms UK Pré launch date • Register Hardware .::. Size~: 19.8 KBSep 24 23:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android #Linux Turns One, http://bit.ly/119Y6SSep 24 23:28
phIRCeTitle: Far EasTone raises Android plans on Gphone anniversary - LinuxWorld .::. Size~: 36.81 KBSep 24 23:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] 10 Seconds Guide to Bash Shell Scripting: http://is.gd/3DLSBSep 24 23:29
phIRCeTitle: All about Linux: 10 Seconds Guide to Bash Shell Scripting .::. Size~: 94.43 KBSep 24 23:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Study from #Coverity Shows That #FreeSoftware Rapidly Improves http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/145832 http://bit.ly/Ws8gySep 24 23:30
phIRCeTitle: Study shows open-source code quality improving - LinuxWorld .::. Size~: 35.62 KBSep 24 23:30
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trmancohttp://www.linuxworld.com/news/2009/092309-study-shows-open-source-code-quality.html?fsrc=rss-linux-newsSep 24 23:33
phIRCeTitle: Study shows open-source code quality improving - LinuxWorld .::. Size~: 35.62 KBSep 24 23:33
trmancomehSep 24 23:33
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trmancoit didn't pick up the second urlSep 24 23:34
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Thunderbird 3 Beta 4 is Reached, Reviewed http://bit.ly/1XnCtA http://bit.ly/oCjSF My favouriteSep 24 23:36
phIRCeTitle: Mozilla cracks on with fourth Thunderbird 3 beta • The Register .::. Size~: 21.9 KBSep 24 23:36
phIRCeTitle: Hands-on: Thunderbird 3 beta 4 hatches with improved search - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 48.49 KBSep 24 23:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gnash 0.8.6 is Officially Released http://www.gnashdev.org/?q=node/71Sep 24 23:38
phIRCeTitle: Gnash 0.8.6 Released! | Gnash Project .::. Size~: 6.41 KBSep 24 23:38
trmancoschestowitz: what do you say if I remove the "title:"?Sep 24 23:40
trmancoIMO it's just bloatSep 24 23:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sun Senior Explains How #FreeSoftware Brings Income http://bit.ly/36iCoSep 24 23:40
phIRCeTitle: Mind Your Own Business (Model) [on Simon Phipps, SunMink] .::. Size~: 38.11 KBSep 24 23:40
schestowitz"Title" is goodSep 24 23:40
schestowitzOh, I catch up nowSep 24 23:42
schestowitzYou handle multiple URLs?Sep 24 23:42
trmancoyesSep 24 23:43
trmancosometimesSep 24 23:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Gets More Exposure Down Under, Reaches to Women http://bit.ly/14cajZ http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Womenscaucus/9.19.2009Sep 24 23:44
phIRCeTitle: IT Brief - Free Software advocate to speak at NZCS event .::. Size~: 41.36 KBSep 24 23:44
trmanconeed some text in the middleSep 24 23:45
trmancohttp://bit.ly/14cajZ test http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Womenscaucus/9.19.2009Sep 24 23:45
phIRCeTitle: IT Brief - Free Software advocate to speak at NZCS event .::. Size~: 41.36 KBSep 24 23:45
trmancoah waitSep 24 23:46
trmancoWarning: file_get_contents(http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Womenscaucus/9.19.2009): failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 403 ForbiddenSep 24 23:46
trmancoI need to make it read headersSep 24 23:46
wallclimberJust curious, but what is the phIRCe thing about?  It seems like automated, incessant non sequiturs. Is it a DaemonFC-bot?Sep 24 23:46
trmanconoSep 24 23:47
trmancoIt's "my" bot, I wrote it for funSep 24 23:47
wallclimberhow very interesting!Sep 24 23:47
wallclimber(mildly annoying, yet still interesting...Sep 24 23:47
trmancohmmmSep 24 23:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Victory to #GPL Licensing http://www.oilandgaseurasia.com/news/p/2/news/5731 #gnuSep 24 23:48
wallclimberwhat can it do?Sep 24 23:48
trmancoparse urlsSep 24 23:48
trmancocontrol a channelSep 24 23:48
trmancoparse urls and say the title/sizeSep 24 23:49
trmanconothing else for nowSep 24 23:49
wallclimberfor now?  what might it do later???Sep 24 23:49
trmancoI haven't thought about itSep 24 23:50
trmancoohSep 24 23:50
trmancoanother feature is kick you if you say a censored wordSep 24 23:51
wallclimberis there a list of censored words so i can avoid them?  :)Sep 24 23:51
wallclimber('cuz, I cuss so much, ya know)Sep 24 23:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sarko Regime in France Treats Copying Files Almost Like Murder http://bit.ly/z5IdASep 24 23:52
phIRCeTitle: France passes tough anti-piracy measure - CNN.com .::. Size~: 72.01 KBSep 24 23:52
trmancoit's a small listSep 24 23:55
wallclimberThat's good.Sep 24 23:56
wallclimber:)Sep 24 23:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] World Day Against Software Patents is Today, Just in Time for Meeting of "IP" Sceptics http://bit.ly/aRmypSep 24 23:56
phIRCeTitle: EU bodies to discuss IP barriers to innovation • The Register .::. Size~: 24.36 KBSep 24 23:56
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