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cubezzzHelios was Tim somebody I thoughtSep 29 00:00
cubezzzsomeone sell out?Sep 29 00:00
cubezzzTim King was the name I was thinkingSep 29 00:03
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amarsh04Ken Starks has mentioned a Tom King in his blogsSep 29 00:12
cubezzzok, wikipedia could be wrong :)Sep 29 00:13
cubezzzit's not 100% accurate I'm sureSep 29 00:13
cubezzzwell, it's not going to be FOSS we know that muchSep 29 00:16
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cubezzzok, checking Lobby4LinuxSep 29 00:23
cubezzzit seems like that should be a good thingSep 29 00:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] With Friends Like These, Who Needs Microsoft? http://bit.ly/G1dNuSep 29 00:26
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schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20090927/1825076330.shtmlSep 29 00:31
schestowitzheh.Sep 29 00:31
schestowitzIs It So Wrong To Admit That Journalists Have Opinions Too? http://techdirt.com/articles/20090927/2223556332.shtmlSep 29 00:32
schestowitz"@schestowitz I'm still not sure Mono is bad for Linux, because I can't see how MS could sue anywhere but the US and even then they'd lose."Sep 29 00:35
schestowitzThey don't need to sue, they just need FUD. Besides, s/w patents are *not* the major issue w/ itSep 29 00:37
schestowitzIgnoring RIAA lawsuits cheaper than going to trial < http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/09/ignoring-riaa-lawsuits-cheaper-than-going-to-trial.ars >Sep 29 00:38
schestowitzOr just boycott RIAA music... simplerSep 29 00:38
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schestowitzping jonoSep 29 00:40
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kevin009have yall seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cX4t5-YpHQ&feature=player_embedded#t=148Sep 29 00:43
*schestowitz looksSep 29 00:44
kevin009i can already leave my computer on and let folks mess around with it... it's called a botnet :)Sep 29 00:45
schestowitzUrgh...Sep 29 00:45
schestowitzI can't stand watching this. It's embarrassingSep 29 00:45
cubezzz?Sep 29 00:45
cubezzzwhat is it?Sep 29 00:45
kevin009comments are disabled :)Sep 29 00:46
kevin009i was surprised to see no narrated preview of ubuntu 9.10 on ubuntu yet... that'd be coolSep 29 00:48
kevin009on youtube i meanSep 29 00:48
schestowitzKen needs help. http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/09/three-legged-ponies_26.html (Three Legged Ponies)Sep 29 00:49
schestowitzkevin009: I could do Kubuntu 9.10Sep 29 00:50
schestowitzIf I knew how to produce *castsSep 29 00:50
kevin009i used gtkrecordmydesktop once and it seemed pretty coolSep 29 00:50
kevin009i haven't installed one of the alphas yet, although I've been tempted toSep 29 00:50
kevin009i think i'm gonna install the beta on my netbookSep 29 00:51
schestowitzgtkrecordmydesktop is not on this repoSep 29 00:51
schestowitzAhSep 29 00:51
schestowitzFound itSep 29 00:51
schestowitzgtk-recordMyDesktopSep 29 00:52
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schestowitzOK, it worksSep 29 00:57
schestowitzLet's see sound now.....Sep 29 00:57
jonoschestowitz, heySep 29 00:58
schestowitzWorks prfectlySep 29 00:59
schestowitzHey, jono. If the invitation is still open, I'd be happy to join you guys on FLOSS Weekly.Sep 29 00:59
jonoschestowitz, of course it isSep 29 01:01
jonolet me schedule a show for youSep 29 01:01
jonoI will be back with a dateSep 29 01:01
schestowitzCool!Sep 29 01:01
jonoschestowitz, really looking forward to it :)Sep 29 01:01
schestowitzThe Linux.com/Slashdot was rather hostileSep 29 01:02
jonoschestowitz, you were on there?Sep 29 01:02
schestowitzYes.Sep 29 01:02
schestowitzEveryone on the panel was an OOXML apologist, except meSep 29 01:02
jonoschestowitz, could you do the 14th Oct?Sep 29 01:03
schestowitzSureSep 29 01:04
schestowitzhttp://www.itwire.com/content/view/15872/1231/Sep 29 01:05
jonoschestowitz, ok, I just need to check with Randall and then I will confirm one way or the otherSep 29 01:05
jonothanks!Sep 29 01:05
schestowitzRandall commented in Bn before...Sep 29 01:05
schestowitzCan't recall what about...Sep 29 01:05
jonoschestowitz, ok, confirmed :)Sep 29 01:07
schestowitzNice, thanks a lot.Sep 29 01:07
jonoschestowitz, Randall won't be on that showSep 29 01:07
jonoschestowitz, it will be Leo, me and you :-)Sep 29 01:07
schestowitzSo it'll be "weird"Sep 29 01:07
schestowitzNot /that/ kind of weird :-)Sep 29 01:08
jonoweird, how so?Sep 29 01:08
schestowitz[reference to a joke you made]Sep 29 01:08
schestowitzI started listening regularly only 1.5 months agoSep 29 01:08
jonoahhh  yes :)Sep 29 01:08
jonoschestowitz, can you msg me your email address?Sep 29 01:14
schestowitzSure, it's r at schestowitz.comSep 29 01:14
schestowitzBTW, have you guys ever tried inviting PJ?Sep 29 01:15
jonoschestowitz, not that I am aware of, Randal may haveSep 29 01:15
jonoI am still a new addition to the showSep 29 01:15
jonoschestowitz, btw, would you like to come and speak at LugRadio Live in Wolves?Sep 29 01:15
jonoI would love to offer you a spot on the show floorSep 29 01:16
jonowe had a last minute space openSep 29 01:16
schestowitzMaybe you 'pull a Randall' on Randall like he did DiBonaSep 29 01:16
jonoheheSep 29 01:16
schestowitzjono: I don't travel much. I limit that.Sep 29 01:16
jonooh, I seeSep 29 01:16
jonoI just thought it could be a good opportunity for the projectSep 29 01:16
schestowitzRandall was a guest on the showSep 29 01:16
jonook, well if you change your mind about coming along to speak, let me know ASAPSep 29 01:17
jonoI think it could be an awesome additionSep 29 01:17
jonoto summarize your concerns and perspective at LRLSep 29 01:17
schestowitzI think the daemonisations against me led some people to wrong preconceptionsSep 29 01:18
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schestowitzMore bad news about TPM coming to Linux: http://www.h-online.com/open/Linux-and-the-Trusted-Platform-Module-TPM--/features/114029Sep 29 01:23
schestowitzIt's already there.Sep 29 01:23
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/03/linux-tivoization/ http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/23/bill-gates-security-as-a-lockin-comes/Sep 29 01:24
Will_schestowitz:  It never ceases to amaze me how the most potentially orwellian technoligies can be introduced under the argument that they are designed to protect the very thing the would ultimately be used to destroy.Sep 29 01:27
Will_s/the/they/Sep 29 01:27
schestowitzIt's an IBM/Intel/others thingSep 29 01:28
schestowitzThey need Linux for their soloooooooooootionsSep 29 01:28
Will_I think you put 9 extra 'o's in there, schestowitz.Sep 29 01:29
schestowitzCisco Developer Contest Finalists: Team CampUser < http://ostatic.com/blog/cisco-developer-contest-finalists-team-campuser >Sep 29 01:29
Will_9 exactlySep 29 01:29
schestowitzYeah, it's how they pronnounce itSep 29 01:29
schestowitzYou can still disable these functionalities, assuming they don't 'consuuuuuumerise' it and tivoise itSep 29 01:30
Will_afaik, this TPM stuff has been in computers for a while.  All halfway recent stuff has it.  It just hasn't been abused... yet.Sep 29 01:31
schestowitzFlash framework/app marketed as "open source" 0_o http://ostatic.com/blog/add-interactive-books-to-your-web-site-with-megazine-3Sep 29 01:32
schestowitzWill_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_ViivSep 29 01:32
schestowitzThere's also the Vista-ised hardware like GPUs and motherboards with DRM-ready chipsetsSep 29 01:33
schestowitzVista 7 will be a closing Window [sic] of opportunitySep 29 01:33
schestowitzMicrosoft can't force people to buy new chips and a DRM-enabled (disabled) OS of the Vista familySep 29 01:34
schestowitzhttp://www.androidguys.com/2009/09/27/fight-the-fights-worth-fighting-for/Sep 29 01:37
Will_schestowitz:  I've seen enough of the Vista hardware.  Ever tried to put a legit copy of Windows XP on a laptop designed for Vista?  Good luck finding drivers.Sep 29 01:38
schestowitzI don't know WIndows wellSep 29 01:38
schestowitzI read about it thoughSep 29 01:38
Will_schestowitz:  you're better off for it.Sep 29 01:38
schestowitzIf I reviewed it, people would say I'm biased anywaySep 29 01:39
schestowitzI get my kicks seeing colleagues' PCs crashing and freezing, which they often doSep 29 01:39
kevin009my cousin and I once played a joke on his sister using the built-in messenger service in XP before SP2 was released... good timesSep 29 01:40
Will_I hope you have at least mentioned a better alternative to themSep 29 01:40
schestowitzI actually used Windows XP on someone's PC 2 months agoSep 29 01:40
schestowitzIt was a messSep 29 01:40
schestowitzFirefox crashing, freezing, not startingSep 29 01:40
schestowitz"send report" | "don't send".....Sep 29 01:40
schestowitzWill_: I sort of did, gently. Some people admire Microsoft, believe it or notSep 29 01:41
schestowitzThey don't admire the other OSes if they are good, they envy and then detest and mock them. Fear of the unknown.Sep 29 01:42
Will_XP usually turns into a mess after about 6-8 months under the average user's care.  Gamers tend to do better with it, but then they also can strip out a lot of unneeded services and stuff.  They know how to tweak it to get every last frame per second out of it.Sep 29 01:42
kevin009yep. the problem is tom the average guy who installs programs and lets them start services at boot unnecessarilySep 29 01:43
schestowitzIn Windows 98 I had a utility to slim it downSep 29 01:43
schestowitzIt was a hackSep 29 01:43
schestowitzwinstart or somethingSep 29 01:43
schestowitzCan't recall. It was ages agoSep 29 01:44
schestowitzwincofig also had some stuff in itSep 29 01:44
schestowitz*configSep 29 01:44
Will_schestowitz:  I don't know if you have it somewhere on your site, but how did you transition into a foss advocate?  Or did you know about foss early on?Sep 29 01:45
schestowitzI hard of Linux at high schoolSep 29 01:46
schestowitz*heardSep 29 01:46
schestowitzOne of my friends used itSep 29 01:46
schestowitzThat was the time of really bad monocultureSep 29 01:46
schestowitzAnd OS/2 becoming extinctSep 29 01:46
Will_Going by the rough date estimate, I'm not sure that Linux was very mature at that point.  But then, 95/98 era Windows wasn't exactly a marvel of programming, just ok for the time.Sep 29 01:47
schestowitzI probably wrote some stuff about in http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/ (about 1300 posts)Sep 29 01:47
schestowitzWill_: Sun did wellSep 29 01:48
schestowitzPricey thoughSep 29 01:48
Will_schestowitz:  I hope putting that link there doesn't attract attacks to that site.Sep 29 01:49
schestowitz  Sep 29 01:49
schestowitzFrost & SullivanSep 29 01:49
schestowitzPay-to-sayersSep 29 01:49
schestowitzhttp://www.newswiretoday.com/news/57933/Sep 29 01:49
schestowitzWill_: the Microsoft shill 'Darryl' (banned in Linux Today) trolled that blogSep 29 01:50
kevin009i tried to run windows 95 on a 3 ghz p4 the other day lolSep 29 01:51
kevin009not gonna happenSep 29 01:51
schestowitzhttp://www.thinkdigit.com/Mobiles-PDAs/Google-throws-the-open-out-of-open-source_3478.htmlSep 29 01:51
schestowitzFloppies? did it ever come in them BTW?Sep 29 01:51
schestowitz3.11 was floppies basedSep 29 01:51
Will_schestowitz:  I saw that earlier.  Not sure what the big deal is about the other Google apps.Sep 29 01:52
schestowitzI might still have MS-DOS 6 somewhereSep 29 01:52
Will_People can just get them separately, right?  So why not just let them come with it?Sep 29 01:52
Will_schestowitz:  Imagine the fun future archeologists are going to have with all this DRM and proprietary stuff.Sep 29 01:54
amarsh04win95 came with a boot floppy to load the cd-rom drivers for machines that couldn't boot off cdSep 29 01:55
amarsh04I think win98/98se did alsoSep 29 01:55
Will_gotta go for now.  Back on later maybe.Sep 29 01:55
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schestowitzarcheologists will find some processing keys leaked in Digg.comSep 29 01:56
kevin009i'll bet computers will crack anything around today in 50 yearsSep 29 01:58
kevin009in 50 years the computers will be so powerfulSep 29 01:58
schestowitz50 is too muchSep 29 01:58
schestowitzYou can't assume about this distant future, well... just about anythingSep 29 01:58
schestowitzFirst computer is about this old...Sep 29 01:58
kevin009they always say "this would take hundreds of years to crack", but they forget how fast tech advancesSep 29 01:59
schestowitzQuantum/optical computing might come if the world doesn't blow up civilisation firstSep 29 01:59
schestowitzMaking Mars inhabitable would be nice. IPv6 is already multi-planet-readySep 29 02:00
schestowitzThere are bits reserved for planets. I can't recall what number Earth was anymore.Sep 29 02:00
schestowitzYou'd need like 2^60 planets...Sep 29 02:02
schestowitzSo there goes half your IPv6 space just for planets, potentiallySep 29 02:02
schestowitzhttp://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7544/1.htmlSep 29 02:02
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cubezzzthere was a 3.5" micro-disk version of win95Sep 29 02:13
cubezzzugh, trying to forgot though :)Sep 29 02:13
cubezzzDMF format anyone? :)Sep 29 02:16
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schestowitzgnSep 29 02:38
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Will_schestowitz:  followup to that Google Android story:  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/28/google_android_developers_reaction/Sep 29 02:44
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Will_Nice to see even the mainstream press thinks the Win7 party ad was terrible: http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/09/28/2136255/Mainstream-Press-Cringes-At-Win7-Launch-Parties?art_pos=2Sep 29 02:56
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Will_You know, come to think of it, FOSS people should probably have signed up in droves to host WIn7 parties.  They could demo Linux at the party as well and hand out liveCDs as party favors.Sep 29 03:03
cubezzznot win7 partySep 29 03:14
cubezzzFOSS party :)Sep 29 03:14
cubezzzpeople will use whatever they want but...Sep 29 03:17
cubezzzI don't heard too much excitement about windows 7Sep 29 03:17
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Will_cubezzz: I think the foss people are actually making more noise about 7 than the intended customers are. Though most of our noise is in making fun of the ad campaigns.Sep 29 03:36
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twitter1The more noise the better.  There's been enough that not even M$NBC can ignore it.Sep 29 03:48
twitter1The public will see controversy and begin to think about what Windows does to them.Sep 29 03:48
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cubezzzreading the comments on slashdot, pretty negative (as usual) re: windows 7Sep 29 04:09
cubezzzthere's a really good stallman interview which I heard recentlySep 29 04:11
cubezzzit's not new, it's oldSep 29 04:11
cubezzzit's on gnu.org and it's called rms-speech-nyu2001.oggSep 29 04:11
cubezzzI'll see if I can find the link...Sep 29 04:12
cubezzzit's a long one, over 2 hours but very interestingSep 29 04:12
cubezzzhttp://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gnu/GNUinfo/Audio/rms-speech-nyu2001.oggSep 29 04:13
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twitter1RMS manages to make his speeches interestingSep 29 04:27
twitter1that's quite a trickSep 29 04:28
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thenixedreportHello everyone.Sep 29 04:33
thenixedreport:)Sep 29 04:33
twitter1I wonder why Roy gives this kind of comment air time ->  One  of the drawbacks to most people who want to migrate to Linux is that it lacks some really good image manipulation applications.Sep 29 04:36
cubezzzwell, he lay the foundation and most of the walls, X11, apache & Linus filled in the gapsSep 29 04:37
thenixedreportThere's GIMP, but it was never meant to replace Photoshop.Sep 29 04:37
thenixedreport(and really, most people don't need Photoshop anyway)Sep 29 04:38
cubezzzGIMP is fineSep 29 04:38
thenixedreportI agree.Sep 29 04:38
thenixedreportTo me, it's like this.Sep 29 04:38
thenixedreportWhen I go to get a gun, I'm not looking for a mini-rocket launcher.Sep 29 04:38
thenixedreportNor am I looking for a mini nuke.Sep 29 04:38
thenixedreportIt's overkill.Sep 29 04:38
twitter1GIMP is a free software success story.Sep 29 04:38
thenixedreportI just want a simple hand gun to defend myself with.Sep 29 04:38
thenixedreportIn the graphics world, most people are never going to use all the features that Photoshop has.Sep 29 04:39
thenixedreportGIMP fits the bill just fine.Sep 29 04:39
thenixedreportAnd GIMP can do something that Photoshop can't.Sep 29 04:39
thenixedreportIt can open really, really, really huge files.Sep 29 04:39
thenixedreportBecause GIMP was designed not to care.Sep 29 04:39
cubezzzI just was using it tooSep 29 04:39
cubezzz1200x1200 pixelsSep 29 04:40
thenixedreportPhotoshop apparently has file size limits in some aspects.Sep 29 04:40
thenixedreportGIMP does not.Sep 29 04:40
twitter1Photoshop got it's start from .... the hobby efforts of the Knoll brothers.Sep 29 04:40
cubezzzwell, I like programming my own stuff, but naturally no one can program everythingSep 29 04:40
twitter1As far as I'm concerned, GIMPs internals are better than Photoshops.Sep 29 04:40
cubezzzthe cool part is I can reach into gnu and pick out what I likeSep 29 04:40
cubezzzport it over, doneSep 29 04:41
twitter1Photoshop will have it's own limitations and those of Windows too.Sep 29 04:41
twitter1Windows dooms software to toy status.Sep 29 04:41
cubezzzI saw X windows in the 80's btwSep 29 04:42
cubezzzI thought it was amazing...Sep 29 04:42
twitter1it is amazingSep 29 04:42
cubezzzyes, but this was 20 years ago :)Sep 29 04:42
cubezzzso I was looking at Waterloo's computer lab and they had these Sun4's with XSep 29 04:43
cubezzzand I was thinking, wow, I'd love to have that at homeSep 29 04:43
twitter1it is a shame that people got Windoze instead of a version of BSD with X.Sep 29 04:44
twitter1The 90s were a lost decade to general purpose computing.Sep 29 04:44
cubezzzthe weird thing is, I'm told there was BSD in the late 70's, but of course I think X started in 1984Sep 29 04:44
cubezzzwell, there was Amiga for a while...Sep 29 04:45
twitter1Unix was made by the people who made BSD.Sep 29 04:45
twitter1They did not like being locked out of their code.Sep 29 04:45
cubezzzI'm sure that's true :)Sep 29 04:45
twitter1So they reproduced the few pieces that were not their own.Sep 29 04:45
thenixedreport?Sep 29 04:46
thenixedreportDidn't UNIX come before BSD?Sep 29 04:46
twitter1ATT made a lawsuit out of it through much of the 80s, much the way we see M$ attacking gnu/linux today.Sep 29 04:46
thenixedreportWasn't BSD a Unix derivative?Sep 29 04:46
cubezzzummmSep 29 04:46
cubezzzBell Labs was first I thinkSep 29 04:46
cubezzzright at the beginningSep 29 04:46
thenixedreportIt was simply called Unix.Sep 29 04:46
thenixedreportBSD was a flavor of Unix.Sep 29 04:47
thenixedreport:)Sep 29 04:47
thenixedreportIf memory serves.Sep 29 04:47
cubezzzbefore my time... I go back to SCO Unix System VSep 29 04:47
thenixedreport:)Sep 29 04:47
twitter1The people at Berkely had a hand in making Unix.Sep 29 04:47
twitter1When Bell locked them out of Unix, they made BSD, which was Unix in all but name.Sep 29 04:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @EthanZ: Twitter.org? An op-ed from my former biz partner, Bo Peabody, in WaPo. Social networks don't make $, shoul... http://is.gd/3LzRNSep 29 04:48
cubezzzwikipedia says Bell Labs, so if that's wrong, I'm wrongSep 29 04:48
cubezzzI have no 1st hand infoSep 29 04:48
twitter1The wave of software greed happened in the late 70s and 80s.  Much public software was stolen.Sep 29 04:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @EthanZ: My reactions to Bo's "Twitter.org?" provocation: http://is.gd/3LzXy - Social networks as a public good?Sep 29 04:49
cubezzzthe software was free, the hardware was mega $$$Sep 29 04:49
twitter1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSDSep 29 04:49
thenixedreportAnd now I'm running PCLinuxOS 2009.2 on two machines.Sep 29 04:50
thenixedreportI'll probably put it on the rest of my machines.Sep 29 04:50
twitter1->  The first Unix system at Berkeley was a PDP-11 installed in 1974, and the computer science department used it for extensive research thereafter.Sep 29 04:51
twitter1->  in 1977 Bill Joy, then a graduate student at Berkeley, assembled and sent out tapes of the first Berkeley Software Distribution (1BSD).Sep 29 04:52
cubezzzfirst Unix on a PC would be interesting to knowSep 29 04:52
cubezzzso why did windows take over and Unix didn't?Sep 29 04:54
twitter1Greed.Sep 29 04:56
cubezzzsheeple :)Sep 29 04:56
twitter1OEM manipulation.Sep 29 04:56
cubezzzI didn't really embrace Unix, I have to admitSep 29 04:57
twitter1It was hard to do.Sep 29 04:57
cubezzzlooking back, I should have gone to BSD in the 80'sSep 29 04:58
twitter1There was a real shortage of useful hardware.Sep 29 04:58
cubezzzinstead I tried a bunch of different OSesSep 29 04:58
cubezzzI even ran a 286 version of Unix, didn't stick with it thoughSep 29 04:59
cubezzzyeah, no MMU until 386's and 68020 I think...Sep 29 04:59
cubezzznot 100% sure about that thoughSep 29 05:00
cubezzzNCR Unix ran on 68020Sep 29 05:00
twitter1You might have run into Xenix, but that was expensive.Sep 29 05:01
cubezzzactually yes, Xenix 286 :)Sep 29 05:02
cubezzzthen SCO Unix System VSep 29 05:02
cubezzzgot it from workSep 29 05:03
twitter1->  Keith Bostic... started a project to reimplement most of the standard Unix utilities without using the AT&T code.    the result was the June 1991 release of Networking Release 2 (Net/2), a nearly complete operating system that was freely distributable. ... Net/2 was the basis for two separate ports of BSD to the Intel 80386 architecture: the free 386BSD by William Jolitz and the proprietary BSD/386 (later renamed BSD/OS) by Berkeley Software Sep 29 05:03
twitter1so, you would have had trouble using BSD on x86 before 1992.  I know people who used Xenix in the late 80s and they knew it was much better than DOS and other toy OS.Sep 29 05:04
twitter1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XenixSep 29 05:05
cubezzztwitter1, I was using SCO Unix System V in 1989, I still have all my notesSep 29 05:05
cubezzzdidn't use BSD at all until much laterSep 29 05:05
twitter1the question is, why M$ went with DOS over Xenix.Sep 29 05:05
cubezzzXenix was sold to SCOSep 29 05:06
twitter1I'm glad they did, because it sealed their fate.Sep 29 05:06
cubezzzno idea why :)Sep 29 05:06
cubezzzI guess they wanted something 100% microsoft madeSep 29 05:06
amarsh04ms did their ms-dos development on unix or xenix initiallySep 29 05:07
cubezzzmakes senseSep 29 05:07
twitter1LOL ->  Microsoft is said to have used Xenix on Sun workstations and VAX minicomputers extensively within their company as late as 1992.[6] All internal Microsoft email transport was done on Xenix-based 68000 systems until 1993.Sep 29 05:08
twitter1TSR80sSep 29 05:08
cubezzzI don't remember anyone buying Xenix thoughSep 29 05:08
cubezzzI only used it because I had access to the discs at workSep 29 05:09
twitter1you misspelled "owned" -> cubezzz: I guess they wanted something 100% microsoft madeSep 29 05:09
twitter1So they took the lamest of the code they had and rammed it down the OEM channel.Sep 29 05:10
cubezzzBSD could have been what Linux is nowSep 29 05:10
cubezzzthe power of marketing...Sep 29 05:10
twitter1It's not marketing it's the GPL.Sep 29 05:11
twitter1People like the GPL.Sep 29 05:11
cubezzzwell sure, that's a good pointSep 29 05:11
twitter1Copy left works.Sep 29 05:12
twitter1Companies like SCO, Sun, SGI, HP wasted a lot of effort duplicating the same functionality for their non free versions of BSD.Sep 29 05:13
cubezzzwith SCO Unix System V we didn't have X eitherSep 29 05:13
cubezzzwe had curses :)Sep 29 05:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Ppl need the ability 2 control their own web presence instead of hoping Fb or Twitter always treat u the way u want. Brion http://tr.im/A3RZSep 29 05:14
cubezzzwhich kind of suckedSep 29 05:14
twitter1In the mean time, everything done for gnu/linux is shared in common, and the product of all that work is greater than the sum of the effort put into it.Sep 29 05:14
cubezzzX isn't GPL btwSep 29 05:14
cubezzzMIT licenseSep 29 05:14
twitter1xorg is X11 licenseSep 29 05:15
cubezzzso SCO could have used X, maybe they did later onSep 29 05:15
twitter1ah yes, same thingSep 29 05:15
twitter1"  The license is also GPL-compatible, meaning that the GPL permits combination and redistribution with software that uses the MIT License.Sep 29 05:16
twitter1hmmm.Sep 29 05:16
cubezzzstill could be used in proprietary code thoughSep 29 05:16
twitter1http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html  ->    The X11 license and the revised BSD license are more or less equivalentSep 29 05:18
twitter1obviously, a copy left license protects software freedom best.Sep 29 05:18
twitter1ah ha, someone is playing tricks on wikipedia to link X11 license to MIT license.  ->  This license is sometimes called the MIT license, but that term is misleading, since MIT has used many licenses for software.Sep 29 05:20
BalrogХ11 licence != MIT licenseSep 29 05:20
Balrogat allSep 29 05:20
Balrogor notSep 29 05:21
Balrogbut there's that XFree86 license that generates issuesSep 29 05:21
balzac>_>Sep 29 05:26
balzac<_<Sep 29 05:26
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balzac0_0Sep 29 05:26
cubezzzreading :)Sep 29 05:26
balzacI read about the words between RMS and Miguel de IcazaSep 29 05:26
balzacTypical RMS, just saying it without mincing wordsSep 29 05:27
balzac"sellout" would have been a bit nicer than "traitor"Sep 29 05:27
balzacbut regardless of that, it doesn't matterSep 29 05:28
balzacRMS is not admired so much for persuasiveness in general, but for being right and being persistent about it.Sep 29 05:28
balzacMiguel doesn't care as much about freedomSep 29 05:29
cubezzzRMS was right, yesSep 29 05:29
balzacso he works in FOSS and then goes into the service of MicrosoftSep 29 05:29
thenixedreportBut my question is why is Miguel doing what he is doing?Sep 29 05:30
thenixedreportDoes he truly admire MS that much?Sep 29 05:30
cubezzzit says here that de Icaza left the FSF board in 2002Sep 29 05:30
thenixedreportOr is there something deeper going on.Sep 29 05:31
cubezzzI doubt itSep 29 05:31
cubezzzprobably wants more moneySep 29 05:31
thenixedreportWhat was the stated reason for leaving the FSF board in '02?Sep 29 05:31
balzacmoney, thenixedreportSep 29 05:31
balzacmiguel is in a hurry to get mroeSep 29 05:31
thenixedreportBut why get more money?Sep 29 05:31
thenixedreportHe has enough already.Sep 29 05:31
thenixedreportIs he afraid he'll lose it all?Sep 29 05:31
balzacI don't judge people like him harshly, but it's important to realize they're not working towards the same goals as we are.Sep 29 05:32
cubezzzthere's the 2002 annual report, it might say something about itSep 29 05:32
balzacthus, he is identified as one who used to be in the service of software freedom, and who then defected and now works in the service of microsoft who attacks software freedomSep 29 05:32
balzacthus, the word "traitor" to the movementSep 29 05:33
cubezzzhence the term :)Sep 29 05:33
cubezzzwell it looks badSep 29 05:33
balzacnothing to get emotional aboutSep 29 05:33
balzacit's a strong word and one I wouldn't use, but i see my place in the free software movement in helping people understand RMS in spite of any eccentricitiesSep 29 05:34
cubezzzyou know what would be cool though?Sep 29 05:34
balzacwhat?Sep 29 05:34
cubezzza Microsoft guy defected to the FSF :)Sep 29 05:34
twitter1Miguel's blog might say something -> cubezzz: there's the 2002 annual report, it might say something about itSep 29 05:34
balzacthat would be niceSep 29 05:34
cubezzzdefecting evenSep 29 05:34
thenixedreportI wonder...Sep 29 05:35
thenixedreportIf Miguel is truly doing what he's doing of his own free will.Sep 29 05:35
twitter1Traitor is the right wordSep 29 05:35
thenixedreportWhat if he's being forced to do it against his will?Sep 29 05:35
balzacI know how life-long activists get impatient and are misunderstood by people with short attention spansSep 29 05:35
twitter1mono is a trapSep 29 05:35
thenixedreportI'm playing devil's advocate/being curious.Sep 29 05:35
twitter1Miguel is helping to build itSep 29 05:35
thenixedreportMono is crap.Sep 29 05:35
thenixedreportPlain and simple.Sep 29 05:35
balzacmy dad would say some harsh rhetoric once in a whileSep 29 05:35
twitter1.NET is crap.Sep 29 05:36
thenixedreportHowever, the real issue is software patents.Sep 29 05:36
cubezzzI'm not arguing :)Sep 29 05:36
thenixedreport:)Sep 29 05:36
balzacdoesn't mean he's not right, just means he's a bit tired of explaining things, so he falls back on strong languageSep 29 05:36
twitter1I'm wondering if Miguel realizes the trap he's making.Sep 29 05:36
thenixedreportThe whole Mono thing can easily be used to distract from software patents in general.Sep 29 05:36
balzacmicrosoft's patent strategy is crapSep 29 05:36
balzacwhich makes everything they do into a trapSep 29 05:36
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balzactwitter1: i figure he knowsSep 29 05:37
balzaci have been thinking lately that microsoft is being used as a sort of digital ghetto for peopleSep 29 05:37
balzacwhy bother to give them freedom when you can control them?Sep 29 05:38
balzaci don't judge the character of Miguel de Icaza, or even Steve Ballmer or Bill Gates harshlySep 29 05:39
balzacI think they're just in love with money and not so much with freedom as computer users.Sep 29 05:39
balzacso let's beat them in business with a smileSep 29 05:39
cubezzzyeah but how greedy can you get?Sep 29 05:39
balzacand unlike many "open source" developers who've been trapped into criticizing RMS and tricked into rationalizing giving up freedoms, let's avoid that.Sep 29 05:40
balzaci can get very greedySep 29 05:40
balzacwhile never giving up my focus on freedomSep 29 05:41
balzacif free software entrepreneurs don't match the proprietary rivals for greed, we can't take their market shareSep 29 05:42
balzacand then we're not spreading freedomSep 29 05:42
twitter1http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Atirania.org%2Fblog%2F+2002&aq=o&oq=&aqi=Sep 29 05:42
balzacso we must be friendly in our demeanor while competing aggressively, and refusing to undermine or criticize RMS.Sep 29 05:43
balzacI only make the mildest critiques of his words, but I always support what his intended purpose is.Sep 29 05:43
balzacI showed one of my clients this video in which RMS took off his sock and then was picking at his foot.Sep 29 05:45
balzacthen his hand went to his mouth.Sep 29 05:45
balzacWTF?Sep 29 05:45
cubezzzyeah I saw thatSep 29 05:45
balzacdoesn't matter. he's right about what he's been doing all these years.Sep 29 05:45
balzacThe GNU licenses have such integrity, they're taking market share even without a huge marketing campaign and charismatic people selling itSep 29 05:47
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twitter1I'm afraid of what I might be caught doing if I was under the camera as often as RMS is.Sep 29 05:47
cubezzzStallman can be convincing in personSep 29 05:47
twitter1He's convincing in writing too.Sep 29 05:47
balzacThe thing is, he's just thought it through and what he says has merit.Sep 29 05:47
balzacyes, I have his book signed, and I've had conversations in person and plenty by email.Sep 29 05:48
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balzacAnyway, RMS' detractors probably thought they had something really greatSep 29 05:50
balzacjust like Dennis Kucinich's detractors love it whenever he says something eccentric or colorfulSep 29 05:50
Diablo-D3http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/28/neweggs-ipo-filing-reveals-the-financials-behind-a-2-billion-electronics-retailer/Sep 29 05:50
Diablo-D3newegg ipo'dSep 29 05:51
balzaci saw thatSep 29 05:51
balzacthese guys who keep saying RMS is hurting free software are such jokersSep 29 05:52
Diablo-D3RMS _is_ hurting free softwareSep 29 05:52
Diablo-D3hes a rabid dog we let out of his cage too oftenSep 29 05:53
balzacDiablo-D3: you are not the guy to say thatSep 29 05:53
balzacyour nick is based on a proprietary gameSep 29 05:54
Diablo-D3nice try, but nopeSep 29 05:54
Diablo-D3my nick predates blizzard entertainmentSep 29 05:54
balzacwell, regardless of that, you're not a pivotal figure in free softwareSep 29 05:54
thenixedreportRMS has his own views.Sep 29 05:55
Diablo-D3I'm more pivotal than you are, thats for sure.Sep 29 05:55
balzacDiablo-D3: but please continueSep 29 05:55
balzaci doubt thatSep 29 05:55
balzacbut carry nSep 29 05:55
thenixedreportIf you can't accept the fact that he has rights as an individual, then that's not my problem.Sep 29 05:55
Diablo-D3thenixedreport: yes, but RMS is no longer an "individual"Sep 29 05:56
balzacDiablo-D3: you're more pivotal than meSep 29 05:56
balzacplease continueSep 29 05:56
Diablo-D3thenixedreport: its like the president calling kayne west a jackassSep 29 05:56
Diablo-D3sure, we all agree with the president, but you dont say that when you're the presidentSep 29 05:56
balzacDiablo-D3: you're obama and RMS is kanye?Sep 29 05:56
Diablo-D3balzac: noSep 29 05:57
Diablo-D3rms is obama, and any of his unfortunate victims are kanye wests.Sep 29 05:57
balzachow does your analogy work?Sep 29 05:57
balzacpffSep 29 05:57
Diablo-D3I dont hate RMSSep 29 05:57
thenixedreport@balzac: I think he's making a reference to public figures.Sep 29 05:57
Diablo-D3at least someone understood me.Sep 29 05:57
thenixedreportRMS is a public figure.Sep 29 05:57
balzacyeah, public figures calling out little guysSep 29 05:57
Diablo-D3RMS _is_ a public figure and he should act like oneSep 29 05:58
balzackanye is a public figure and so is miguel de icazaSep 29 05:58
Diablo-D3now, I get to call miguel a jackassSep 29 05:58
Diablo-D3RMS shouldntSep 29 05:58
Diablo-D3RMS should be above thatSep 29 05:58
thenixedreportAnd PCLinuxOS is installing on my ASUS F3T (haven't ran it in a while).Sep 29 05:58
balzacDiablo-D3: RMS doesn't get much recognitionSep 29 05:58
balzacif he weren't treated with such disregard, i'm sure he'd have a more polished presentation styleSep 29 05:58
balzacmiguel is a bit of a weaselSep 29 05:59
balzaci'm not worried about RMS' statementSep 29 05:59
Diablo-D3miguel is a jackassSep 29 05:59
Diablo-D3Ive actually talked to him on IRCSep 29 05:59
balzacmiguel is crying all the way to the bankSep 29 05:59
Diablo-D3the guy has obviously gone full shilltard.Sep 29 05:59
balzache's gone emotionalSep 29 06:00
balzacpeople who were only emotionally connected, not intellectually connected with the cause can drift away if they get burned out.Sep 29 06:01
balzacemotions are not necessarily anchored like principlesSep 29 06:01
balzacone day you're a beatles fan, later on maybe you like the stonesSep 29 06:02
balzacbut if you've taken the time to think it through on software licenses, you're not going to start working against your principlesSep 29 06:02
balzacso Miguel is a light-weight who never thought it through, and now he's emotionally alienatedSep 29 06:03
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Diablo-D3wait wait waitSep 29 06:03
balzaci'm sorry for him, but it's not a big deal. I'm not judgemental of him as a person, because life is about more than software.Sep 29 06:03
Diablo-D3your example sucksSep 29 06:03
Diablo-D3you can be a fan of the beatles and the stones at the same timeSep 29 06:03
Diablo-D3the problem is mono is more like britney spearsSep 29 06:04
balzactrueSep 29 06:04
Diablo-D3if you like britney spears I'll kick the shit out of youSep 29 06:04
balzacwell, have you seen the video for Womanizer?Sep 29 06:04
balzacBritney Spears is back and she's sexy again.Sep 29 06:04
Diablo-D3"whore" shall never be sexy.Sep 29 06:04
balzacdude, i pay whores when i can afford themSep 29 06:05
balzacand i don't think you know what the word "whore" means if you don't think they're sexy.Sep 29 06:05
*Diablo-D3 facepalmsSep 29 06:05
thenixedreport*shakes head in disbelief*Sep 29 06:05
balzacsex is their tradeSep 29 06:05
balzacthe oldest professionSep 29 06:05
thenixedreportWow.Sep 29 06:05
thenixedreportJust.....Sep 29 06:05
thenixedreport........wow......Sep 29 06:05
*Diablo-D3 puts balzac on ignoreSep 29 06:05
balzaclolSep 29 06:06
balzacthat one ended nicely =]Sep 29 06:06
thenixedreportSomehow, I don't think that the discussion of people selling themselves for sex was very appropriate in this channel.Sep 29 06:09
balzacwell, it's nobody's faultSep 29 06:09
balzaci brought up beatles and stonesSep 29 06:09
masticatornice locker room that schestowitz runs hereSep 29 06:09
balzache brought up britney spearsSep 29 06:09
cubezzzCommunication about anything :)Sep 29 06:10
balzacthen he forced me to defend the fact that I liked WomanizerSep 29 06:10
balzacllSep 29 06:10
balzaclolSep 29 06:10
thenixedreportWell, in all fairness, I would hardly find any form of walking STD's to be sexy in the slightest.Sep 29 06:10
thenixedreportThat, and if I were to pay a hooker, I wouldn't broadcast that in IRC anyway.Sep 29 06:10
balzacwell, to be fair, the whores in the red light district in amsterdam have good hygenic practicesSep 29 06:10
balzaci don't worry about itSep 29 06:11
cubezzzyou're Dutch balzac?Sep 29 06:11
balzaci've advocated decriminalizaing cocaine, prostitution on change.gov under my given nameSep 29 06:11
balzacno, americanSep 29 06:11
thenixedreportlolSep 29 06:11
balzacone of my slogans is "crumble a rock on a blunt and let go of old prejudices"Sep 29 06:12
balzacor "snort a rail off a hooker's derriere"Sep 29 06:12
balzaci call it a vision questSep 29 06:12
masticatorthis is why I gave up IRC for 10 yearsSep 29 06:13
balzacanyway, roy would say it's not on topicSep 29 06:13
balzacso i'll let it go at that...Sep 29 06:13
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*Omar87 just read the conversation above and... he's shaking his head in disbelief too..Sep 29 06:26
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Huh?!?! @_@ http://bit.ly/2FiihSep 29 06:41
twitter1no one is running this place.  It's all trolled out by the usual suspects.  I'm not sure why Roy does not kick ban them -> masticator: nice locker room that schestowitz runs hereSep 29 06:46
MinceRindeed.Sep 29 06:48
twitter1Interesting case, Omar87, but think of trying to keep it dusted.Sep 29 06:48
twitter1every corner is a place that's hard to clean.Sep 29 06:48
twitter1LOL ->  the Level 10 is huge. It's 12.5 inches wide, two feet deep, and 26.2 inches high, and weighs over 47 pounds.Sep 29 06:50
twitter1biggest box ever.Sep 29 06:50
*twitter1 mounts my EEE PC in discarded mini computer case, hooks up usb raid array and call is a server!Sep 29 06:52
twitter1bblSep 29 06:52
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twitterthe Swindle fails to perform http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/09/29/0133221/In-Trial-Kindles-Disappointing-University-UsersSep 29 07:33
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twitterAll of the "paper learning" mentioned is easily recreated with htmlSep 29 07:34
twitteras long as works studied are freeSep 29 07:34
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twitter1LOL at multiple levels of retardation -> http://apple.slashdot.org/story/09/09/28/2330229/Apple-Pushes-Unwanted-Software-To-PCs-Again?art_pos=6&art_pos=6Sep 29 07:42
twitter1it is especially funny that anyone would worry that Apache would make Windoze less secure than it already is.Sep 29 07:42
twitter1if you put your computer on the interwebs as a browser and explore, you will be save.  if you put the same pee cee on as a "server" you will be teh owned.  drool.Sep 29 07:44
twitter1world and dog laughs at Windows 7 launch party videos -> http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/09/28/2136255/Mainstream-Press-Cringes-At-Win7-Launch-PartiesSep 29 07:46
*MinceR laughs tooSep 29 07:48
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/10936319 http://identi.ca/notice/10936589Sep 29 07:57
schestowitz"@schestowitz I actually think Linux is already beyond MS's reach now. The only thing I can see really threatening it now is DRM"Sep 29 07:57
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] fuckin' WIN! Huts used to defeat Nazis rescued by £4m grant http://is.gd/3M9TG £450k now, maybe £4m later, total £10m needed #BParkSep 29 08:44
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schestowitz"Google and the Rocky Mountain Bank have asked a judge to vacate a controversial order directing the deactivation of a Gmail account that was mistakenly sent confidential data." http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=114347Sep 29 08:55
schestowitzNewton designer returns to Apple http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/29/michael_tchao_rehired_by_apple/Sep 29 08:59
schestowitzhttp://holloway.co.nz/blog/2009/09/wheres-opendocument-1-2/Sep 29 09:23
schestowitzMicrosoft minion trolls us: http://twitter.com/jlundstocholm/statuses/4310838422Sep 29 09:30
schestowitz"anti-ooxml ppl"Sep 29 09:30
schestowitztessier: Vietnam has just made ODF a national standard.Sep 29 09:31
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amarsh04drug alarms installed in .nz homes http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/29/2699510.htm?section=worldSep 29 09:57
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_Hicham_Hi All!Sep 29 10:09
_Hicham_Good Morning Don Schestowitz !Sep 29 10:10
schestowitzgi, _Hicham_Sep 29 10:10
schestowitz*hiSep 29 10:10
schestowitzGI Hicham JoeSep 29 10:10
schestowitzamarsh04: the 'war on drugs{tm}' is just costing a lot of money and those wanting to produce drugs will find a way around itSep 29 10:11
schestowitzMaybe some company wants to sell some sensors and keep the 'war mode' goingSep 29 10:11
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amarsh04true schestowitzSep 29 10:12
schestowitzHere in the UK there was a proposal favouring CCTV in some people's homesSep 29 10:12
schestowitzI guess they can use the boiler room thenSep 29 10:12
amarsh04yes, I saw that on a local privacy listSep 29 10:13
schestowitzhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/6239929/Googles-Doodles-10-of-the-best-including-UFOs-and-Googlle.htmlSep 29 10:17
schestowitzamarsh04: seems like the "movie plot" type of things Schneier speaks about. They have a warped vision of controlled society with unrealistic expectations.Sep 29 10:18
amarsh04true...Sep 29 10:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cisco's Linux Contest Reveals Finalists http://bit.ly/DQCDtSep 29 10:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #GNU #Linux Users Says It is Better Than #Windows http://bit.ly/49w9ovSep 29 10:43
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux 2.6.32 Preview http://bit.ly/4D079OSep 29 10:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Conspiracy of Companies Work to Put #TreacherousComputing in #Linux http://bit.ly/1zBtfXSep 29 10:55
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Games Come to #GNU #Linux : #Aquaria , #Osmos http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14132Sep 29 11:08
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Power in Action: Good #Hackers Seize Control of Google's #Android http://bit.ly/YKCTh http://bit.ly/vTKTNSep 29 11:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MySQL Finds Growth in #FreeSoftware Use, #Rutgers Embraces #Drupal http://bit.ly/r8NY6 http://buytaert.net/rutgers-using-drupalSep 29 11:29
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Omar87twitter: Speaking about the case, the best way to keep it dusted is to prevent it from collecting dust. :)Sep 29 11:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice .org's Renaissance in Detail, OpenOffice.org 3.2 Has "Great New Features" http://bit.ly/LINrO http://bit.ly/JHMkESep 29 11:31
Omar87twitter: For example, never leave it uncovered when the computer is on. :)Sep 29 11:31
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Budgetary Gains from #FreeSoftware Weigh $Trillions http://bit.ly/U45vk http://bit.ly/eQZnrSep 29 11:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Open Source" Put to Different Use (Nausea) http://bit.ly/fLi8ySep 29 11:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] US Government Arguable Argues Against #SoftwarePatents http://bit.ly/O63hBSep 29 11:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Patents Discourage #Innovation http://techdirt.com/articles/20090921/0217286260.shtml http://bit.ly/1Dr90nSep 29 11:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Slovakia and #Vietnam Make #OpenDocument Format the National Standard http://twitter.com/rcweir/statuses/4315836494 http://bit.ly/ZVgc ...Sep 29 11:56
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Internet porn 'name change plan' - Haven't we been here before? http://tinyurl.com/yj94tx2Sep 29 12:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] EU Commission Criticised for Letting Microsoft Off the Hook http://bit.ly/WjlTb http://blogs.fsfe.org/gerloff/?p=263Sep 29 12:00
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF Recommended for Preservation of Information http://bit.ly/ulT2xSep 29 12:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Does Bad Things to People's PCs by Installing " #Shovelware " http://bit.ly/1LoRWASep 29 12:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Sex abuse rife in other religions, says Vatican - Oh the itony http://tinyurl.com/yazo2znSep 29 12:06
schestowitzgtk-record-my-desktop doesn't handle dual-head :-(Sep 29 12:29
_Hicham_are using gnome?Sep 29 12:34
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schestowitzHeh. Deepest hole in the ground in 12k. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBSDMYHkv1k&feature=channelSep 29 12:55
schestowitz_Hicham_: no, kwinSep 29 12:55
_Hicham_then why do u expect it to handle dual head ?Sep 29 12:55
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schestowitzI think I just don't manage with the GUISep 29 13:09
schestowitzThere's some selection thingie in there. I can't figure it  out.Sep 29 13:09
schestowitzRein in Government Spying: Reform the USA PATRIOT Act and Repeal Telco Immunity http://www.eff.org/action/rein-government-spyingSep 29 13:16
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schestowitzI can do cursor follows mouseSep 29 13:23
schestowitzThen I can move between screensSep 29 13:23
schestowitzIt doesn't exceed about 1800px in width thoughSep 29 13:23
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schestowitzHe, phIRCe! http://Sep 29 13:39
schestowitzHe, phIRCe! http://blahSep 29 13:39
schestowitzHe, phIRCe! http://blah.comSep 29 13:39
MinceRhttp://127.0.0.1/Sep 29 13:39
schestowitzLOLSep 29 13:39
MinceRi think you broke the bot :>Sep 29 13:40
schestowitzYou got it upsetSep 29 13:40
schestowitzhttp://boyocttlinspire.comSep 29 13:40
schestowitzhttp://boycottlinspire.comSep 29 13:40
phIRCeTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBSep 29 13:40
phIRCeTitle: OpenDNS .::. Size~: 2.02 KBSep 29 13:40
phIRCeTitle: Main Page - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 27.57 KBSep 29 13:41
trmancoblah won't matchSep 29 13:41
trmancothe first oneSep 29 13:41
MinceRi wonder which one was http://127.0.0.1/Sep 29 13:42
trmancononeSep 29 13:42
trmancoit just won't matchSep 29 13:42
trmancohttp://127.0.0.1.comSep 29 13:42
trmancothat one doesn't seem to match eitherSep 29 13:43
trmancoto many "sub-domains"Sep 29 13:43
trmancoPHP Warning:  get_headers(http://blah.com): failed to open stream: Connection timed out in /home/trmanco/public_html/phirce/Class.phIRCe.php on line 385Sep 29 13:44
trmancoWarning: get_headers(http://blah.com): failed to open stream: Connection timed out in /home/trmanco/public_html/phirce/Class.phIRCe.php on line 385Sep 29 13:44
phIRCeTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBSep 29 13:45
trmancololSep 29 13:45
trmancooopsSep 29 13:45
phIRCeTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBSep 29 13:46
*Diablo-D3 facepalmsSep 29 13:53
trmancoI'll bring it back in a whileSep 29 13:55
trmanco!quit phIRCeSep 29 13:56
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Cultural Imperialism | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/ydplsbtSep 29 13:59
Diablo-D3http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr247/FEGuy/optimaldisplay.pngSep 29 14:03
schestowitzDiablo-D3: yes, it's like VIstaSep 29 14:05
schestowitzBeta quality at bestSep 29 14:05
schestowitzRT[F]MSep 29 14:05
Diablo-D3schestowitz: I wish that was my machineSep 29 14:09
Diablo-D3I'd love to have a monitor that big :<Sep 29 14:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] My take on: #Vietnam Makes it Official with #OpenDocument Format (ODF) http://bit.ly/ecC0DSep 29 14:13
schestowitzDiablo-D3: too bigSep 29 14:13
Diablo-D3hey, maybe thats their new touch desk thingSep 29 14:13
schestowitzIt would not be worth the electricity after about 3 headsSep 29 14:14
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Hits Two Glass Houses with One Stone http://bit.ly/3RSAJoSep 29 14:28
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @polljack: Daily Mail is dangerously wrong about the cervical cancer jab. Vote No to counteract their lethal nonsense http://bit.ly/qBwIISep 29 14:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple Mimics “Shovelware” Tactics from Microsoft, European Commission Unable to Mitigate Impact http://bit.ly/15O8efSep 29 14:59
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schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8278364.stmSep 29 15:30
phIRCeTitle: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 84.44 KBSep 29 15:30
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mono and #Moblin as the Microsoft-approved “Open Source Solution” http://bit.ly/5QnwOSep 29 15:37
phIRCeTitle: Mono and Moblin as the Microsoft-approved “Open Source Solution” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 113.91 KBSep 29 15:37
trmancohttp://www.h-online.com/security/Exploit-published-for-SMB2-vulnerability-in-Windows--/news/114343Sep 29 15:42
trmancohmmSep 29 15:42
trmancohttp://tinyurl.com/yddnse4Sep 29 15:42
trmanco:|Sep 29 15:42
trmancohttp://hedayatvk.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/barrelfish-etc/Sep 29 15:47
phIRCeTitle: Barrelfish, My Thesis! « Hedayats Blog .::. Size~: 13.3 KBSep 29 15:47
trmanco"I was pretty shocked when I was reading its README file and saw that the OS is created on Linux! As an OS related to Microsoft, I didn’t expect it!"Sep 29 15:48
trmancohttp://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/09/29/explaining-to-girls/Sep 29 15:51
phIRCeTitle: Explaining to girls «  We'll see | Matt Zimmerman .::. Size~: 59.38 KBSep 29 15:51
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trmancohttp://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/mac-osx-mistakes-and-malfeaturesSep 29 15:58
phIRCeTitle: Mac OS X mistakes and malfeatures - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 28.63 KBSep 29 15:58
trmancointeresting readSep 29 15:58
schestowitztrmanco: didn't take long for the exploit to ariseSep 29 15:58
trmancoit has been in the works for more than 2 weeksSep 29 15:58
trmancothey had enough time to fix itSep 29 15:59
schestowitztrmanco: the mdz thing, better not spend time discussing the issue and making a mountain out of a molehillSep 29 16:00
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Omar871trmanco: I really like your bot. :)Sep 29 16:10
Omar871trmanco: Can I have the source code?Sep 29 16:10
trmancoof course you canSep 29 16:10
trmancoit's gplSep 29 16:10
Omar871trmanco: Where did you put it? SF?Sep 29 16:11
trmancono, bitbucketSep 29 16:11
Omar871trmanco: Freedom FTW!Sep 29 16:11
Omar871trmanco: Great.Sep 29 16:11
trmancohttp://bitbucket.org/trmanco/phirce/Sep 29 16:11
trmancoIPv6 Tallken :)Sep 29 16:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patents Harm Innovation (Again), Government Intervenes in Bilski Case and Still Hides ACTA http://bit.ly/1q973OSep 29 16:14
phIRCeTitle: Patents Roundup: Patents Harm Innovation (Again), Government Intervenes in Bilski Case and Still Hides ACTA | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 113.97 KBSep 29 16:14
schestowitzIn http://bitbucket.org/trmanco/phirce/src/tip/Class.phIRCe.php -> "Watch you language!"Sep 29 16:15
schestowitzShould the typo "your" be there?Sep 29 16:15
trmancoyesSep 29 16:15
trmancothanks :|Sep 29 16:15
schestowitzNice code NTWSep 29 16:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] JK Rowling lost out on US medal over Harry Potter 'witchcraft' - Why does this not surprise me? http://tinyurl.com/yb73622Sep 29 16:16
trmancoI wonder why I've never caught that errorSep 29 16:16
trmancoNTW?Sep 29 16:16
schestowitzprivate function ParseURL($url)Sep 29 16:16
schestowitz"This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY.Sep 29 16:17
trmancooh boySep 29 16:17
trmanco:-PSep 29 16:17
schestowitzg2g bblSep 29 16:17
trmancookSep 29 16:18
trmancohttp://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3841331/How-Will-Users-React-to-GNOME-30.htmSep 29 16:20
phIRCeTitle: How Will Users React to GNOME 3.0? &mdash; Datamation.com .::. Size~: 70.68 KBSep 29 16:20
trmancoLOL @ &mdashSep 29 16:21
Tallkentrmanco: :)Sep 29 16:23
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trmancohttp://www.osnews.com/story/22251/Another_Microsoft_Research_Operating_System_HeliosSep 29 16:30
phIRCeTitle: Another Microsoft Research Operating System: Helios .::. Size~: 22.76 KBSep 29 16:30
trmancoI wonder if it's also linux based...Sep 29 16:30
trmancohttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Gmail-Outage-Was-Caused-by-Heavy-Load-on-the-Contacts-Service-122899.shtmlSep 29 16:32
trmancoseeSep 29 16:32
phIRCeTitle: Gmail Outage Was Caused by Heavy Load on the Contacts Service - Leading Google engineers to cut off access to the service entirely - Softpedia .::. Size~: 48.16 KBSep 29 16:32
trmancotold you so that this was something related to the new contact app thingySep 29 16:33
trmancohttp://searchengineland.com/google-broadening-wave-access-with-gmail-like-rollout-26749Sep 29 16:36
phIRCeTitle: Google Broadening Wave Access With GMail-Like Rollout .::. Size~: 40.71 KBSep 29 16:36
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Daily Mail suspends complete bollocks injections after reader dies of stupidity http://notnews.today.com/?p=671 (cheers @polljack)Sep 29 16:54
phIRCeTitle: Daily Mail suspends complete bollocks injections after reader dies of stupidity - News of the News .::. Size~: 32.75 KBSep 29 16:54
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wikipedia essay: White Barbarian http://is.gd/3MOgz #wikipediaSep 29 17:03
phIRCeTitle: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2009-09-28/Opinion essay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 34.19 KBSep 29 17:03
trmancohttp://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/29/ballmer-microsoft-interview-chrome-windows-internetexplorer/Sep 29 17:08
phIRCeTitle:   Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer: Chrome And Safari Are Rounding Errors  .::. Size~: 142.56 KBSep 29 17:08
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trmancothese rounding errors are frightening MSSep 29 17:09
trmancohttp://www.netboot.me/Sep 29 17:18
phIRCeTitle: Welcome - netboot.me .::. Size~: 7.07 KBSep 29 17:18
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @jsalsman "She once pulled an AK-47 on a member of the Taliban for failing to pay his phone bill." http://is.gd/3MPDU BEST OBITUARY EVERSep 29 17:21
phIRCeTitle: Fisher: Stasek lived true to her convictions - San Jose Mercury News .::. Size~: 66.04 KBSep 29 17:21
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tessierschestowitz: Getting a translation of that document...Sep 29 18:31
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tessierhttp://is.gd/3MPDU does not seem to lead to anything but a blank page on some weird serverSep 29 18:37
Diablo-D3http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/29/android-based-odroid-handheld-available-for-pre-order/Sep 29 18:40
phIRCeTitle: Android-based ODROID handheld available for pre-order .::. Size~: 84.83 KBSep 29 18:40
tessierschestowitz: Does OO.org save in ODF by default?Sep 29 18:41
tessierI'm not sure this means anything. It probably just adds it as one of the standards.Sep 29 18:41
tessierAs long as they still accept MS Office it means nothingSep 29 18:41
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sankarhttp://www.business-standard.com/india/news/open-source-software-can-save-india-2-bn/369858/Sep 29 19:09
phIRCeTitle: Open source software can save India $2 bn  .::. Size~: 122.57 KBSep 29 19:09
sankarhi roy, wanted to share the above news, bye, take careSep 29 19:10
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schestowitzhttp://www.twit.tv/floss26Sep 29 19:28
phIRCeTitle: The TWiT Netcast Network with Leo Laporte .::. Size~: 22.6 KBSep 29 19:28
schestowitzHard question there on data integritySep 29 19:28
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schestowitztessier: yes, ODF by defaultSep 29 19:30
schestowitzI made a copy of that PDF in VietnameseSep 29 19:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Would you trust a company who makes the shoddy software in the first place to provide the fix? http://tinyurl.com/yd493nbSep 29 19:32
phIRCeTitle: BBC NEWS | Technology | Microsoft launches free security .::. Size~: 53.25 KBSep 29 19:32
schestowitzHaha. "Free security"Sep 29 19:32
schestowitzWhat a jokeSep 29 19:32
schestowitzI sell you a car with "Free" tiresSep 29 19:33
schestowitzDrones who read the Beeb are supposed to think, "awwwwww... generous Microsoft"Sep 29 19:34
ThistleWebschestowitz: my rss feeds are sorted now if you wanna add themSep 29 19:34
schestowitzCool.Sep 29 19:34
schestowitzI wonder why I read the BBC as rss. RMS rightly says that it's better to read trusted blogsSep 29 19:35
schestowitzEven The Register has become tainted by a minority of outside interestSep 29 19:35
Renegade_http://www.theonion.com/content/video/crime_reporter_finds_way_ofSep 29 19:36
phIRCeTitle: Crime Reporter Finds Way Of Linking Warehouse Fire To Depraved Sex Act | The Onion - America's Finest News Source .::. Size~: 23.6 KBSep 29 19:36
schestowitztessier: Vietnam plans to move to FOSS within years, in govt.Sep 29 19:36
schestowitzIf they move to OOo, then they'll use ODFSep 29 19:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Judge delays Google books hearing - Congrats MS ;) http://tinyurl.com/ybl45qsSep 29 19:38
phIRCeTitle: BBC NEWS | Technology | Judge delays Google books hearing .::. Size~: 53.78 KBSep 29 19:38
*amarsh04 downloads and starts reading http://pirateparty.org.au/wiki/images/b/b8/Ppauconstitution.pdfSep 29 19:38
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20090928/1101596338.shtmlSep 29 19:40
phIRCeTitle: There Are Numbers Less Than 1% | Techdirt .::. Size~: 40.64 KBSep 29 19:40
ThistleWebI like that phIRCe bot btw, very handy on mini urls to know if you've seen the page or notSep 29 19:42
schestowitzThis is good news:Sep 29 19:45
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/29/open-android-alliance-poses-problem-for-googleSep 29 19:45
phIRCeTitle: Open Android Alliance Poses Problem For Google | WebProNews .::. Size~: 28.08 KBSep 29 19:45
schestowitzGoogle took so much from FOSS to make its productsSep 29 19:45
schestowitzPeople should take Android to their own sandbox tooSep 29 19:45
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schestowitzhttp://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/11753-the-other-face-of-barack-obama-.htmlSep 29 19:48
schestowitzhttp://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/goldman_big_defends_paid_by_aig_SUjL29fG8zn7BUSdRXIZ7HSep 29 19:48
phIRCeTitle: GOLDMAN BIG DEFENDS $12.9B PAID BY AIG .::. Size~: 65.84 KBSep 29 19:48
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/29/i_mate_down_and_out/Sep 29 19:54
phIRCeTitle: i-mate boss blames 'fraud' for company's demise • The Register .::. Size~: 22.26 KBSep 29 19:54
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/29/drone_prang_sunni_iraq/Sep 29 19:55
phIRCeTitle: US drone crashes on Sunni party offices in Iraq • The Register .::. Size~: 21.56 KBSep 29 19:55
trmancohttp://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2009/09/why-distributions-shouldnt-ship-development-versions/Sep 29 20:00
phIRCeTitle: Martins Blog» Blogarchiv » Why distributions shouldnt ship development versions .::. Size~: 43.48 KBSep 29 20:00
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schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-10/ff_netflixSep 29 20:03
phIRCeTitle: Netflix Everywhere: Sorry Cable, You're History  .::. Size~: 56.74 KBSep 29 20:03
trmancohttp://www.mgs-philanthropy.net/eng/Sep 29 20:04
phIRCeTitle: HIVE DIVISION | Metal Gear Solid Philanthropy | Official Movie Site .::. Size~: 7.23 KBSep 29 20:04
trmancofree movieSep 29 20:04
schestowitzThere are many 'free' movies in YouTUbeSep 29 20:05
trmancobut this is a a non profit movieSep 29 20:06
schestowitzI post oggs from DTP in BNSep 29 20:06
schestowitzAnd I looked up Hill's channel.. http://www.youtube.com/user/ROCKETBOOM#play/allSep 29 20:06
phIRCeTitle: YouTube - Canal de ROCKETBOOM .::. Size~: 103.09 KBSep 29 20:06
schestowitzSome OK stuff there so far, but also boring and immatureSep 29 20:06
schestowitzWhoa. http://www.youtube.com/user/ROCKETBOOM#play/allSep 29 20:07
phIRCeTitle: YouTube - Canal de ROCKETBOOM .::. Size~: 102.85 KBSep 29 20:07
schestowitzhttp://www.motorcycle-usa.com/499/4676/Motorcycle-Article/BUB-Racings-Chris-Carr-Breaks-Speed-Record.aspxSep 29 20:07
schestowitzWrong paste before thatSep 29 20:07
schestowitzCheck it outSep 29 20:07
schestowitzhttp://www.slate.com/id/2229194/pagenum/allSep 29 20:08
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schestowitzhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197284/Schools-bar-parents-sports-day--paedophiles.html?ITO=1490Sep 29 20:09
phIRCeTitle: Schools bar parents from sports day... to keep out paedophiles  | Mail Online .::. Size~: 67.22 KBSep 29 20:09
schestowitzhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1216901/Dancing-With-The-Stars-Nerves-better-Kelly-Osbourne-delivers-disappointing-tango.htmlSep 29 20:11
phIRCeTitle: Dancing With The Stars: Nerves get the better of Kelly Osbourne as she delivers a disappointing tango  | Mail Online .::. Size~: 76.65 KBSep 29 20:11
schestowitzBlechSep 29 20:11
schestowitzWarning:Daily MailSep 29 20:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] USPTO arguing for software patents at the US Supreme Court on Bilski: http://i5.be/LQSep 29 20:12
schestowitz"Curved yellow fruit": http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/?p=1540Sep 29 20:12
phIRCeTitle: Groklaw - The Government Files its Bilski Brief: Argues For "Particular Machine or Transformation of Matter" Test .::. Size~: 106.65 KBSep 29 20:12
phIRCeTitle: BLOGical Thoughts » Tuesday, 29 September, 2009 .::. Size~: 17.5 KBSep 29 20:12
trmancooh uhSep 29 20:14
trmancoFire!!Sep 29 20:14
trmancoabout 2 km from hereSep 29 20:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] USPTO says writing zeros and ones on a piece of paper equals transformation of matter: http://i5.be/LQSep 29 20:15
schestowitzFrom heat?Sep 29 20:15
phIRCeTitle: Groklaw - The Government Files its Bilski Brief: Argues For "Particular Machine or Transformation of Matter" Test .::. Size~: 106.65 KBSep 29 20:15
trmancodon't knowSep 29 20:15
trmancoI'll go there and seeSep 29 20:15
schestowitztrmanco: prepare an external hard-drive just in caseSep 29 20:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Android could get merged with OpenMono components maybe (the stuff Android kept proprietary) http://bit.ly/2NBf3aSep 29 20:16
trmancoit won't get closeSep 29 20:16
phIRCeTitle: Irate Android devs aim to replace Google's proprietary bits - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 46.38 KBSep 29 20:16
trmancoI'm sureSep 29 20:16
trmancofireman are already thereSep 29 20:16
trmancoI'll go take a lookSep 29 20:16
schestowitzMaybe they went there to cook marshmallowSep 29 20:16
trmancoif phirce dies, that means the telephone lines got burnedSep 29 20:16
trmanco:-PSep 29 20:16
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schestowitzOr... maybe to isolate the culprit.. and xbox.... 360!!Sep 29 20:16
trmancoI just hope it wasn't on my parents propertiesSep 29 20:17
trmanco...Sep 29 20:17
trmancooh noes :-PSep 29 20:17
trmancobblSep 29 20:17
schestowitzBe careful.Sep 29 20:17
trmancoI willSep 29 20:17
trmancoI just hope it's smallSep 29 20:17
trmanco...Sep 29 20:17
*schestowitz thinks firemen save women and children before telephone linesSep 29 20:18
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/28/indiana-prosecutor-s.htmlSep 29 20:20
schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10362912-92.html Yuck, NewEgg....... they shill for some bad companiesSep 29 20:21
phIRCeTitle: Newegg announces IPO, plans for expansion | Business Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 100.96 KBSep 29 20:21
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schestowitzAhh, God..... http://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/28/here-come-the-airpor.htmlSep 29 20:29
Diablo-D3schestowitz: dude, fuck offSep 29 20:30
Diablo-D3newegg doesnt shill for anyoneSep 29 20:30
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schestowitzYou seem to love themSep 29 20:35
schestowitzWe also need phIRCe oppsed to watch languageSep 29 20:36
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trmancooh...Sep 29 20:37
trmancofalse alarmSep 29 20:37
trmancosome idio made up a false alarmSep 29 20:37
trmancono fire at allSep 29 20:37
schestowitzGangster Group pretends that Linux only gets bought preinstalled. Unix at 40: Hanging on despite strong Linux, Windows challenges < http://infoworld.com/d/networking/unix-40-hanging-despite-strong-linux-windows-challenges-432 >Sep 29 20:49
phIRCeTitle: Unix at 40: Hanging on despite strong Linux, Windows challenges | Networking - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 78.83 KBSep 29 20:49
schestowitztrmanco: fire in his intenstinesSep 29 20:50
trmancowhose?Sep 29 20:50
schestowitzKDE4 laptops: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/09/moblin-2-arriving-via-dell-with-moblin-ubuntu-remix-netbook.ars Yummy... Air UISep 29 20:54
phIRCeTitle: Moblin 2 arriving via Dell with Ubuntu-Moblin remix netbook - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 44.87 KBSep 29 20:54
schestowitztrmanco: the boy who cried "wolf"Sep 29 20:54
trmancohehSep 29 20:55
schestowitzhttp://robertogaloppini.net/2009/09/29/acer-aspire-one-troubleshooting-wireless-network-problems/Sep 29 20:57
phIRCeTitle: Acer Aspire One: Troubleshooting Wireless Network Problems .::. Size~: 29.88 KBSep 29 20:57
schestowitzRoberto uses Linux after allSep 29 20:57
schestowitzI got the impression he was cold on the "F" in FOSSSep 29 20:57
schestowitzSJVN does not slam Microsoft for selling "Secuirity" as a product? http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/windows/testing-out-microsoft-security-essentials/Sep 29 20:58
phIRCeTitle: Testing out Microsoft Security Essentials « Practical Technology .::. Size~: 72.91 KBSep 29 20:59
schestowitzhttp://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/399-pidgin-store-passwords-in-clear-text-secure-it-nowSep 29 21:01
amarsh04it illustrates the cost of running microsoft softwareSep 29 21:01
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-09-29-009-35-SC-SW-0000Sep 29 21:01
phIRCeTitle: Linux Today - Pidgin store passwords in clear text!!!! .::. Size~: 75.31 KBSep 29 21:01
trmancohow do you add that ascii pic next to knode?Sep 29 21:04
trmancoI saw this somewhere, but can't remember where exactlySep 29 21:04
schestowitzx-face?Sep 29 21:11
trmancoah rightSep 29 21:12
trmancobut whereSep 29 21:13
trmancoI can't find itSep 29 21:13
schestowitzDman. Kids!Sep 29 21:14
schestowitzhttp://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/09/ibm_make_linux.html;jsessionid=T0VF5CJUCXWLDQE1GHRSKH4ATMY32JVNSep 29 21:14
schestowitzThey shouls stop with thosem Borat jokesSep 29 21:14
phIRCeTitle: IBM Make Linux For Benefit Glorious Nation Of Kazakhstan - Digital Life Blog - InformationWeek .::. Size~: 83.86 KBSep 29 21:14
schestowitzThe nation is not about that idiotSep 29 21:15
schestowitzAnd he's not even from there, he's an imposterSep 29 21:15
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-FaceSep 29 21:15
phIRCeTitle: X-Face - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 22.87 KBSep 29 21:15
schestowitzLinks therSep 29 21:15
schestowitzthereSep 29 21:15
trmancoyeah found some stuff on google tooSep 29 21:15
MinceRthe article starts with a disclaimer/clarificationSep 29 21:16
MinceRand Borat is funny.Sep 29 21:17
schestowitzUseful Idiot: http://samus.typepad.com/what/2009/09/why-its-called-the-codeplex-foundation.htmlSep 29 21:19
phIRCeTitle: What Do You Care What Other People Think?: Why It's Called the CodePlex Foundation .::. Size~: 34.28 KBSep 29 21:19
schestowitzMinceR: the cheap "Funny"Sep 29 21:19
schestowitzI watched the film and showsSep 29 21:19
schestowitzIt's the cursing "funny"Sep 29 21:19
MinceRit isn't cursingSep 29 21:19
schestowitzLike British standup comedians that take the piss out of people in the audienceSep 29 21:20
schestowitzThat's guttr entertainment, mocking people for others' joySep 29 21:20
schestowitzMakes people feel like less of a failure about themselvesSep 29 21:20
schestowitzKids do this in the kindergartenSep 29 21:20
schestowitzThe bully's inferiority complexSep 29 21:20
schestowitzMinceR: stigmatisingSep 29 21:20
schestowitzXenophobiaSep 29 21:20
schestowitzhttp://investors.redhat.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=411154Sep 29 21:21
phIRCeTitle: Red Hat, Inc. - Red Hat Reports Second Quarter Results .::. Size~: 207.9 KBSep 29 21:21
MinceRit's called "parody"Sep 29 21:21
schestowitzYeah.Sep 29 21:22
schestowitzPeople not visualise Kazakhs as Farsis like SaschaSep 29 21:22
schestowitzPeople might not like to be stimatigeSep 29 21:22
schestowitzKazakhs have some high tech in their, now old women milking goatsSep 29 21:22
schestowitzNow, now.....Sep 29 21:22
schestowitzSo Baron did a parody..Sep 29 21:22
schestowitzBut..Sep 29 21:22
schestowitzJournalists should do betterSep 29 21:23
schestowitzAnd quit making it seem like any news from there is a joke that's self defeatingSep 29 21:23
MinceRthey shouldn't make pop culture references?Sep 29 21:23
schestowitzJust MHOSep 29 21:23
schestowitzMinceR: not popSep 29 21:23
schestowitzBTW, the nation /was/ upsetSep 29 21:23
schestowitzAFIK, Pam Anderson also suedSep 29 21:24
MinceRthis isn't popular culture?Sep 29 21:24
MinceRwhat was Pam Anderson sued about?Sep 29 21:24
schestowitzDepends whereSep 29 21:24
schestowitzNoSep 29 21:24
schestowitzShe suedSep 29 21:24
schestowitzSpooked by the idiot.Sep 29 21:24
schestowitzAnother guy suedSep 29 21:24
schestowitzHe lost his jobSep 29 21:24
schestowitzIn the film he was secretly captured making a sexiwt remarkSep 29 21:25
schestowitzHe thought it was for Kazakh TVSep 29 21:25
MinceRi don't know what is more 'popular culture' than a widely shown mainstream movie.Sep 29 21:26
schestowitzThe scene in the car where 'Borat' whines about being rejected and the guys consult himSep 29 21:26
MinceRas for idiots suing for everything, that happens all the time in the usa.Sep 29 21:26
schestowitzThat's why the word SUE and USA are so similarSep 29 21:26
schestowitzAnd USA is like US, as in "We"Sep 29 21:27
tessierschestowitz: That's what they say and I don't believe a word of it. Nobody knows how to use FOSS there.Sep 29 21:28
tessierschestowitz: They have tens of millions of people packed into dense cities. And they can't even keep a LUG going. The cultural difference there is huge.Sep 29 21:29
tessierThey have no concept of "freedom" as we know it.Sep 29 21:29
MinceRtessier: where?Sep 29 21:29
schestowitzVTSep 29 21:29
MinceRvietnam?Sep 29 21:30
tessierYes.Sep 29 21:30
MinceRicSep 29 21:30
tessierThey have no "hacker culture" there.Sep 29 21:31
tessierOf the very few programmers I met there none of them knew anything but Java or PHP.Sep 29 21:31
tessierIt is depressing. It was depressing to work there after a while.Sep 29 21:32
tessierAfter a year I was ready to go home. Not sure when I really want to visit again.Sep 29 21:33
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/10842731 "Sep 29 21:39
schestowitzsmaffulliSep 29 21:39
phIRCeTitle: Stefano Maffulli (smaffulli) 's status on Sunday, 27-Sep-09 14:27:20 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.42 KBSep 29 21:39
schestowitz         Sep 29 21:39
schestowitz@lefty the facts state that Microsoft is still a threat to free software. Convince us that there is no threat instead of picking on rms !fsfSep 29 21:39
schestowitzHe brings his anti-RMS agenda to identica nowSep 29 21:39
schestowitzHold s*Sep 29 21:41
schestowitz"Revenue was $103 billion with net income of $12 billion. They are not a monopoly. They make money the old-fashioned way, by earning it."Sep 29 21:41
schestowitzhttp://pogson.6k.ca/2009/09/29/ibm/Sep 29 21:41
phIRCeTitle:   IBM at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 25.21 KBSep 29 21:41
schestowitzCompared these margins to some othersSep 29 21:41
schestowitzMozilla denies it will 'ribbonize' Firefox < http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2009/092909-mozilla-denies-it-will-ribbonize.html?fsrc=rss-linux-news >Sep 29 21:43
phIRCeTitle: Mozilla denies it will 'ribbonize' Firefox - LinuxWorld .::. Size~: 36.45 KBSep 29 21:43
schestowitzhttp://cgit.freedesktop.org/plymouth/commit/?id=920051bc55de0a70439afa70e8a7d030caf4b387Sep 29 21:46
phIRCeTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBSep 29 21:47
trmancohttp://identi.ca/notice/10853915Sep 29 21:56
phIRCeTitle: David "Lefty" Schlesinger (lefty) 's status on Sunday, 27-Sep-09 18:19:57 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.26 KBSep 29 21:56
trmancoI like the way identica threads it's conversationsSep 29 21:58
trmancobetter than twitterSep 29 21:58
schestowitzMy girlfriend, who is in no way interested in computers or open source, now complains about having to use Windows in university, because Ubuntu is so much easier and faster to use.  I can imagine the same story is playing out all over the world.  Hopefully at least :-)Sep 29 22:03
schestowitzhttp://shaneosullivan.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/ubuntu-good-enough-for-grannies-and-girlfriends/Sep 29 22:03
phIRCeTitle: Ubuntu  good enough for grannies and girlfriends « SOS .::. Size~: 35.54 KBSep 29 22:03
schestowitzquote from the aboveSep 29 22:03
schestowitzOhSep 29 22:04
schestowitzHere's that symbol that does strikeout in konv againSep 29 22:04
trmancomdash?Sep 29 22:04
trmancoI don't know why it also strikes out the size parteSep 29 22:05
trmancopart*Sep 29 22:05
schestowitzroy@roy:~$ whois boycott-boycottnovell.comSep 29 22:06
trmancoyesSep 29 22:06
schestowitzRegistrant:Sep 29 22:06
schestowitz   David SchlesingerSep 29 22:06
trmancoI've seen thatSep 29 22:06
schestowitzJust ignore himSep 29 22:06
schestowitzWaste of timeSep 29 22:06
schestowitzThere's some cool Linux news todaySep 29 22:06
schestowitzI was going to call it a night, but I'll just share some news insteadSep 29 22:07
zoobabhiSep 29 22:07
schestowitzDid you see RMS on Apple:?Sep 29 22:07
schestowitzHi, zoobabSep 29 22:07
trmancoyesSep 29 22:07
zoobablive from my nokia e71Sep 29 22:07
trmancohis apologies?Sep 29 22:07
zoobabtaking a picture...Sep 29 22:07
schestowitzhttp://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/mac-osx-mistakes-and-malfeaturesSep 29 22:07
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/Stallman-apologises-for-Mac-OS-X-backdoor-claims--/news/114342Sep 29 22:07
phIRCeTitle: Mac OS X mistakes and malfeatures - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 28.75 KBSep 29 22:07
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/09/apple-denied-health-care-app-for-political-reasons-developer-says/Sep 29 22:07
phIRCeTitle: Developer: Apple Denied Health Care App for Political Reasons | Epicenter | Wired.com .::. Size~: 96.39 KBSep 29 22:07
schestowitzzoobab: nice!Sep 29 22:08
schestowitzDid you take photos from World Day*?Sep 29 22:08
zoobabnopeSep 29 22:08
zoobabwe will organise something elseSep 29 22:08
schestowitzCool!Sep 29 22:08
zoobabsoonSep 29 22:08
schestowitzIt's good to show evidence (pictorial) of backlashSep 29 22:09
schestowitzIt reminds that suits that some people out there are after themSep 29 22:09
zoobabblog about usptoSep 29 22:09
schestowitzI didSep 29 22:09
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/29/patents-harm-innovation-etc/Sep 29 22:10
phIRCeTitle: Patents Roundup: Patents Harm Innovation (Again), Government Intervenes in Bilski Case and Still Hides ACTA | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 113.75 KBSep 29 22:10
schestowitzWhere can sw pats news be found?Sep 29 22:10
schestowitzI used to rely on Digital Majority almost exclusively?Sep 29 22:10
schestowitzDid you use Google News on "software patents"?Sep 29 22:10
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schestowitzhttp://www.zimbio.com/Laptop+Reviews/articles/BjEnB8kh_p6/Acer+Aspire+One+Linux+NetbookSep 29 22:11
phIRCeTitle: Acer Aspire One Linux Netbook - Laptop Reviews - Zimbio .::. Size~: 45.82 KBSep 29 22:11
zoobabyes but no time to update itSep 29 22:11
cubezzz"No known backdoor"Sep 29 22:11
zoobabi need to call on twittosphere to use the #swpat tagSep 29 22:12
cubezzzright, you can't know for sure without seeing the codeSep 29 22:12
schestowitzhttp://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/09/29/quake-live/Sep 29 22:12
zoobabthe problem is that we need quotesSep 29 22:12
phIRCeTitle: Quake Live «  Terminally Incoherent .::. Size~: 45.53 KBSep 29 22:12
schestowitztrmanco: ya still playin' it?Sep 29 22:12
trmanconoSep 29 22:13
trmancowaste of timeSep 29 22:13
schestowitzzoobab: I'll start it w/ you #swpatSep 29 22:13
schestowitzMoody started #inetlelctualmonopoliesSep 29 22:13
schestowitzWell, I started itSep 29 22:13
schestowitzNot sure who startedSep 29 22:13
schestowitzBut he shower some metering of itSep 29 22:13
zoobabuploading a pic of my e71 with bn irc screenshot...Sep 29 22:24
schestowitzmibbit had a nice function for image previews in ircSep 29 22:25
zoobabfreenode has some probs with mibbitSep 29 22:26
zoobabnow they use qwebircSep 29 22:26
zoobabsomeone still need to provide  a free webgw serviceSep 29 22:26
schestowitzI almost installed one on the serverSep 29 22:27
schestowitzqwebircSep 29 22:27
schestowitzIt requires python and twistedSep 29 22:27
schestowitzTwisted is hugeSep 29 22:27
schestowitzI gave up while coipying all the files, not installing itSep 29 22:27
schestowitzBut at least it's GPLedSep 29 22:27
schestowitzSo it's possible to take it off the 'cloud' and put it locallySep 29 22:27
zoobabyesSep 29 22:28
zoobabbut most people don't have their owSep 29 22:28
zoobabown server to install the shitSep 29 22:28
*phIRCe has kicked zoobab from #boycottnovell (Watch you language!)Sep 29 22:28
trmancooopsSep 29 22:29
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trmancosorrySep 29 22:29
zoobabinstall the softwareSep 29 22:29
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Research Explores Linux as an Operating System, Apparently http://bit.ly/34fx3V #micronux #ballmixSep 29 22:33
phIRCeTitle: Barrelfish, My Thesis! « Hedayats Blog .::. Size~: 13.96 KBSep 29 22:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Desktop Good for All the Family http://bit.ly/JBlhq http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/?p=1539Sep 29 22:34
phIRCeTitle: Ubuntu  good enough for grannies and girlfriends « SOS .::. Size~: 36 KBSep 29 22:34
phIRCeTitle: BLOGical Thoughts » Monday, 28 September, 2009 .::. Size~: 18.42 KBSep 29 22:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Starts Putting #Linux on All Motherboards? http://bit.ly/ru9dkSep 29 22:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tips for Increasing the Flow of People to Desktop #GNU #Linux http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=2049Sep 29 22:37
phIRCeTitle: F/OSS Marketing: Attracting Users AND Contributors  pleia2's blog .::. Size~: 34.54 KBSep 29 22:37
DaemonFChad two seizures on SundaySep 29 22:37
DaemonFCstill recoveringSep 29 22:37
DaemonFCthey pushed some drugs through an IV to stop the second oneSep 29 22:38
schestowitzzoobab: yes, in my case it was mazinessSep 29 22:38
schestowitz*lazinessSep 29 22:38
DaemonFCso I may not be here much for a few more daysSep 29 22:38
schestowitzIt was easier to just use what's already out thereSep 29 22:38
schestowitzDaemonFC: yikes.Sep 29 22:38
schestowitzSorry to hear thatSep 29 22:39
DaemonFCyeah, I'm going for an EEG on the 8thSep 29 22:39
schestowitzDaemonFC: seen a medical expert's office for opinion yet?Sep 29 22:39
DaemonFC:PSep 29 22:39
DaemonFCfun timesSep 29 22:39
schestowitzYou'll be fine. Just defrag your neuronSep 29 22:39
DaemonFCschestowitz, Just the emergency room doctorSep 29 22:39
schestowitzNOT WITH VISTA7Sep 29 22:39
schestowitzIt leaksSep 29 22:39
DaemonFCthey couldn't tell what caused it, the only thing that was even slightly out of whack was my potassium levelSep 29 22:40
DaemonFCand even that wasn't be enough to cause seizuresSep 29 22:40
DaemonFCmy muscles tensed up so much during the seizure that there are bruises on my armsSep 29 22:41
DaemonFClooks like I got my ass kicked, still can't easily  move them over my headSep 29 22:41
DaemonFCanyway, I'll be back sometimeSep 29 22:42
DaemonFCall the bestSep 29 22:42
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cubezzzschestowitz, I have a suggestionSep 29 22:43
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cubezzzif anyone is really rude/anti-social or just being a painSep 29 22:43
cubezzzdo a 24 hour banSep 29 22:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Quake Live Satisfies Expectations of GNU/Linux Gamers http://bit.ly/2Aj2uhSep 29 22:44
phIRCeTitle: Quake Live «  Terminally Incoherent .::. Size~: 45.53 KBSep 29 22:44
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HP Upgrades #HPUX But Gives #GNU #Linux Same Functionality http://bit.ly/2jvQLoSep 29 22:46
phIRCeTitle: HP-UX gets biannual face-lift • The Register .::. Size~: 27.14 KBSep 29 22:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BruceByfield Shares Thoughts About #GNOME Desktop Environment 3 http://bit.ly/3n9CGQSep 29 22:48
phIRCeTitle: How Will Users React to GNOME 3.0? &mdash; Datamation.com .::. Size~: 70.82 KBSep 29 22:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Battle of the Light: #VectorLinux Light vs. #Zenwalk http://bit.ly/39XZ8KSep 29 22:50
phIRCeTitle: VectorLinux Light vs. Zenwalk: Benchmarks [updated version 29 Sep 09] « TROPIC OF VECTOR .::. Size~: 45.41 KBSep 29 22:50
schestowitzWow. Scary... about the seizures.Sep 29 22:50
schestowitzI feel bad.. for him.Sep 29 22:50
schestowitzcubezzz: it hardly works, but it's what we do ATMSep 29 22:51
schestowitzvcent is MutexSep 29 22:51
schestowitzIn recent months he has been less hostile and obnoxiousSep 29 22:51
cubezzzah okSep 29 22:52
cubezzzDiablo's been rather nasty of late thoughSep 29 22:52
cubezzzyou've been very tolerant :)Sep 29 22:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Videos of Mark Shuttleworth's Talk at #LinuxCon Now Online http://bit.ly/2lMB2b http://techcast.com/events/linuxcon/shuttleworth/Sep 29 22:56
phIRCeTitle: Linux Pro Magazine Live Streaming  .::. Size~: 7.87 KBSep 29 22:56
masticatorthis chat room is not nearly as entertaining as it was late last nightSep 29 22:56
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Acer Aspire Sub-notebooks Run #GNU #Linux for Obvious Advantages http://bit.ly/RnzbrSep 29 23:01
phIRCeTitle: Acer Aspire One Linux Netbook - Laptop Reviews - Zimbio .::. Size~: 45.83 KBSep 29 23:01
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Danish City Moves to #OpenOffice .org http://bit.ly/8uluh #odfSep 29 23:06
phIRCeTitle: Lodahl's blog: Yet another city .::. Size~: 125.04 KBSep 29 23:06
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sebsebsebhiSep 29 23:09
trmancohttp://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Miller/Sep 29 23:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Mocks #Microsoft Ribbons, Calls Them Complicated http://ping.fm/s7v4mSep 29 23:10
phIRCeTitle: Mozilla denies it will 'ribbonize' Firefox - LinuxWorld .::. Size~: 36.47 KBSep 29 23:10
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of Free/Libre #VectorGraphics Editing Software for #GNU #Linux http://ping.fm/22544Sep 29 23:11
phIRCeTitle: 7 Best Free and Open Source Vector Graphics Editors for Linux | TECH SOURCE FROM BOHOL .::. Size~: 96.85 KBSep 29 23:11
tuxmaniahi there :DSep 29 23:11
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hypothetical: What if #Microsoft Tried to Survive by Embracing #Freedom http://ping.fm/izI2kSep 29 23:13
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] just voted "Mozilla Firefox" on "Mozilla, Opera, Safari or Internet Explorer?" vote too ➔ http://bit.ly/1kKAMySep 29 23:17
phIRCeTitle: Mozilla, Opera, Safari or Internet Explorer? - POLLpigeon.com .::. Size~: 7.58 KBSep 29 23:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Licensing Still All About #GNU and #GPL http://ping.fm/sKBWySep 29 23:21
phIRCeTitle: CertCities.com | Column: Linux and the Licensing Two-Step .::. Size~: 49.94 KBSep 29 23:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Movement Transcends Borders to #Art http://ping.fm/S09pTSep 29 23:22
phIRCeTitle: Hackerspace at Pumping Station 1: Will the Arts Go Open Source? - Art Talk Chicago .::. Size~: 34.57 KBSep 29 23:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bank of America Sued for $1,784,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 http://ping.fm/bjl70Sep 29 23:25
phIRCeTitle: Bank of America Sued for 1,784 Sextillion Dollars - Lowering the Bar .::. Size~: 23.96 KBSep 29 23:25
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schestowitzmasticator: we should rent a magician and clowns for entertainmentSep 29 23:28
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schestowitzHeck, let's apply for then VIsta7 launch party at 'home'Sep 29 23:28
schestowitzHey, tuxmaniaSep 29 23:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship in #China Goes Up a Notch http://ping.fm/vRc19 #1984Sep 29 23:32
phIRCeTitle: Tor partially blocked in China | The Tor Blog .::. Size~: 52.41 KBSep 29 23:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canada Gets #ACTA / #DMCA Down the Throat http://ping.fm/gUQAISep 29 23:34
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #EU Realises That #IntellectualMonopolies May be Harming Innovation http://ping.fm/Jq6bw #swpatSep 29 23:35
phIRCeTitle: EU Worried About IP Harming Innovation... But Gets It Backwards | Techdirt .::. Size~: 38.57 KBSep 29 23:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FOSS Player Complains About #IntellectualMonopolies Favouring Proprietary Software http://ping.fm/D4jrs #swpatSep 29 23:37
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista and #Windows Server 2008 Under Attack, No Real Patch Available http://ping.fm/FQnDcSep 29 23:44
phIRCeTitle: Pressure on Microsoft, as Windows Attack Now Public - Business Center - PC World .::. Size~: 46.97 KBSep 29 23:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RichardStallman Slams #Apple for Mistreating Users http://ping.fm/ZwGsl http://ping.fm/K0HuD Also retracts errorSep 29 23:45
phIRCeTitle: Mac OS X mistakes and malfeatures - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 28.75 KBSep 29 23:45
phIRCeTitle: Developer: Apple Denied Health Care App for Political Reasons | Epicenter | Wired.com .::. Size~: 97.52 KBSep 29 23:45
*jono has quit ("Later, Skater")Sep 29 23:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux.com Says No is the Time to Ditch Office for #FreeSoftware http://ping.fm/lvsyxSep 29 23:47
*Xarver (n=kenny@cpe-76-173-101-172.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #boycottnovellSep 29 23:48
schestowitzSomeone wonders why I still use Twitter... I used identi.ca *before* trying twitter. Now I use both in tandem.Sep 29 23:50
trmancosextillion dollarsSep 29 23:53
trmancothat must have been the largest number I've ever heard ofSep 29 23:53
schestowitzFor money maybeSep 29 23:56

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