cubezzz | Helios was Tim somebody I thought | Sep 29 00:00 |
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cubezzz | someone sell out? | Sep 29 00:00 |
cubezzz | Tim King was the name I was thinking | Sep 29 00:03 |
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amarsh04 | Ken Starks has mentioned a Tom King in his blogs | Sep 29 00:12 |
cubezzz | ok, wikipedia could be wrong :) | Sep 29 00:13 |
cubezzz | it's not 100% accurate I'm sure | Sep 29 00:13 |
cubezzz | well, it's not going to be FOSS we know that much | Sep 29 00:16 |
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cubezzz | ok, checking Lobby4Linux | Sep 29 00:23 |
cubezzz | it seems like that should be a good thing | Sep 29 00:23 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] With Friends Like These, Who Needs Microsoft? http://bit.ly/G1dNu | Sep 29 00:26 | |
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schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090927/1825076330.shtml | Sep 29 00:31 |
schestowitz | heh. | Sep 29 00:31 |
schestowitz | Is It So Wrong To Admit That Journalists Have Opinions Too? http://techdirt.com/articles/20090927/2223556332.shtml | Sep 29 00:32 |
schestowitz | "@schestowitz I'm still not sure Mono is bad for Linux, because I can't see how MS could sue anywhere but the US and even then they'd lose." | Sep 29 00:35 |
schestowitz | They don't need to sue, they just need FUD. Besides, s/w patents are *not* the major issue w/ it | Sep 29 00:37 |
schestowitz | Ignoring RIAA lawsuits cheaper than going to trial < http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/09/ignoring-riaa-lawsuits-cheaper-than-going-to-trial.ars > | Sep 29 00:38 |
schestowitz | Or just boycott RIAA music... simpler | Sep 29 00:38 |
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schestowitz | ping jono | Sep 29 00:40 |
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kevin009 | have yall seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cX4t5-YpHQ&feature=player_embedded#t=148 | Sep 29 00:43 |
*schestowitz looks | Sep 29 00:44 | |
kevin009 | i can already leave my computer on and let folks mess around with it... it's called a botnet :) | Sep 29 00:45 |
schestowitz | Urgh... | Sep 29 00:45 |
schestowitz | I can't stand watching this. It's embarrassing | Sep 29 00:45 |
cubezzz | ? | Sep 29 00:45 |
cubezzz | what is it? | Sep 29 00:45 |
kevin009 | comments are disabled :) | Sep 29 00:46 |
kevin009 | i was surprised to see no narrated preview of ubuntu 9.10 on ubuntu yet... that'd be cool | Sep 29 00:48 |
kevin009 | on youtube i mean | Sep 29 00:48 |
schestowitz | Ken needs help. http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/09/three-legged-ponies_26.html (Three Legged Ponies) | Sep 29 00:49 |
schestowitz | kevin009: I could do Kubuntu 9.10 | Sep 29 00:50 |
schestowitz | If I knew how to produce *casts | Sep 29 00:50 |
kevin009 | i used gtkrecordmydesktop once and it seemed pretty cool | Sep 29 00:50 |
kevin009 | i haven't installed one of the alphas yet, although I've been tempted to | Sep 29 00:50 |
kevin009 | i think i'm gonna install the beta on my netbook | Sep 29 00:51 |
schestowitz | gtkrecordmydesktop is not on this repo | Sep 29 00:51 |
schestowitz | Ah | Sep 29 00:51 |
schestowitz | Found it | Sep 29 00:51 |
schestowitz | gtk-recordMyDesktop | Sep 29 00:52 |
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schestowitz | OK, it works | Sep 29 00:57 |
schestowitz | Let's see sound now..... | Sep 29 00:57 |
jono | schestowitz, hey | Sep 29 00:58 |
schestowitz | Works prfectly | Sep 29 00:59 |
schestowitz | Hey, jono. If the invitation is still open, I'd be happy to join you guys on FLOSS Weekly. | Sep 29 00:59 |
jono | schestowitz, of course it is | Sep 29 01:01 |
jono | let me schedule a show for you | Sep 29 01:01 |
jono | I will be back with a date | Sep 29 01:01 |
schestowitz | Cool! | Sep 29 01:01 |
jono | schestowitz, really looking forward to it :) | Sep 29 01:01 |
schestowitz | The Linux.com/Slashdot was rather hostile | Sep 29 01:02 |
jono | schestowitz, you were on there? | Sep 29 01:02 |
schestowitz | Yes. | Sep 29 01:02 |
schestowitz | Everyone on the panel was an OOXML apologist, except me | Sep 29 01:02 |
jono | schestowitz, could you do the 14th Oct? | Sep 29 01:03 |
schestowitz | Sure | Sep 29 01:04 |
schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/15872/1231/ | Sep 29 01:05 |
jono | schestowitz, ok, I just need to check with Randall and then I will confirm one way or the other | Sep 29 01:05 |
jono | thanks! | Sep 29 01:05 |
schestowitz | Randall commented in Bn before... | Sep 29 01:05 |
schestowitz | Can't recall what about... | Sep 29 01:05 |
jono | schestowitz, ok, confirmed :) | Sep 29 01:07 |
schestowitz | Nice, thanks a lot. | Sep 29 01:07 |
jono | schestowitz, Randall won't be on that show | Sep 29 01:07 |
jono | schestowitz, it will be Leo, me and you :-) | Sep 29 01:07 |
schestowitz | So it'll be "weird" | Sep 29 01:07 |
schestowitz | Not /that/ kind of weird :-) | Sep 29 01:08 |
jono | weird, how so? | Sep 29 01:08 |
schestowitz | [reference to a joke you made] | Sep 29 01:08 |
schestowitz | I started listening regularly only 1.5 months ago | Sep 29 01:08 |
jono | ahhh yes :) | Sep 29 01:08 |
jono | schestowitz, can you msg me your email address? | Sep 29 01:14 |
schestowitz | Sure, it's r at schestowitz.com | Sep 29 01:14 |
schestowitz | BTW, have you guys ever tried inviting PJ? | Sep 29 01:15 |
jono | schestowitz, not that I am aware of, Randal may have | Sep 29 01:15 |
jono | I am still a new addition to the show | Sep 29 01:15 |
jono | schestowitz, btw, would you like to come and speak at LugRadio Live in Wolves? | Sep 29 01:15 |
jono | I would love to offer you a spot on the show floor | Sep 29 01:16 |
jono | we had a last minute space open | Sep 29 01:16 |
schestowitz | Maybe you 'pull a Randall' on Randall like he did DiBona | Sep 29 01:16 |
jono | hehe | Sep 29 01:16 |
schestowitz | jono: I don't travel much. I limit that. | Sep 29 01:16 |
jono | oh, I see | Sep 29 01:16 |
jono | I just thought it could be a good opportunity for the project | Sep 29 01:16 |
schestowitz | Randall was a guest on the show | Sep 29 01:16 |
jono | ok, well if you change your mind about coming along to speak, let me know ASAP | Sep 29 01:17 |
jono | I think it could be an awesome addition | Sep 29 01:17 |
jono | to summarize your concerns and perspective at LRL | Sep 29 01:17 |
schestowitz | I think the daemonisations against me led some people to wrong preconceptions | Sep 29 01:18 |
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schestowitz | More bad news about TPM coming to Linux: http://www.h-online.com/open/Linux-and-the-Trusted-Platform-Module-TPM--/features/114029 | Sep 29 01:23 |
schestowitz | It's already there. | Sep 29 01:23 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/03/linux-tivoization/ http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/23/bill-gates-security-as-a-lockin-comes/ | Sep 29 01:24 |
Will_ | schestowitz: It never ceases to amaze me how the most potentially orwellian technoligies can be introduced under the argument that they are designed to protect the very thing the would ultimately be used to destroy. | Sep 29 01:27 |
Will_ | s/the/they/ | Sep 29 01:27 |
schestowitz | It's an IBM/Intel/others thing | Sep 29 01:28 |
schestowitz | They need Linux for their soloooooooooootions | Sep 29 01:28 |
Will_ | I think you put 9 extra 'o's in there, schestowitz. | Sep 29 01:29 |
schestowitz | Cisco Developer Contest Finalists: Team CampUser < http://ostatic.com/blog/cisco-developer-contest-finalists-team-campuser > | Sep 29 01:29 |
Will_ | 9 exactly | Sep 29 01:29 |
schestowitz | Yeah, it's how they pronnounce it | Sep 29 01:29 |
schestowitz | You can still disable these functionalities, assuming they don't 'consuuuuuumerise' it and tivoise it | Sep 29 01:30 |
Will_ | afaik, this TPM stuff has been in computers for a while. All halfway recent stuff has it. It just hasn't been abused... yet. | Sep 29 01:31 |
schestowitz | Flash framework/app marketed as "open source" 0_o http://ostatic.com/blog/add-interactive-books-to-your-web-site-with-megazine-3 | Sep 29 01:32 |
schestowitz | Will_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Viiv | Sep 29 01:32 |
schestowitz | There's also the Vista-ised hardware like GPUs and motherboards with DRM-ready chipsets | Sep 29 01:33 |
schestowitz | Vista 7 will be a closing Window [sic] of opportunity | Sep 29 01:33 |
schestowitz | Microsoft can't force people to buy new chips and a DRM-enabled (disabled) OS of the Vista family | Sep 29 01:34 |
schestowitz | http://www.androidguys.com/2009/09/27/fight-the-fights-worth-fighting-for/ | Sep 29 01:37 |
Will_ | schestowitz: I've seen enough of the Vista hardware. Ever tried to put a legit copy of Windows XP on a laptop designed for Vista? Good luck finding drivers. | Sep 29 01:38 |
schestowitz | I don't know WIndows well | Sep 29 01:38 |
schestowitz | I read about it though | Sep 29 01:38 |
Will_ | schestowitz: you're better off for it. | Sep 29 01:38 |
schestowitz | If I reviewed it, people would say I'm biased anyway | Sep 29 01:39 |
schestowitz | I get my kicks seeing colleagues' PCs crashing and freezing, which they often do | Sep 29 01:39 |
kevin009 | my cousin and I once played a joke on his sister using the built-in messenger service in XP before SP2 was released... good times | Sep 29 01:40 |
Will_ | I hope you have at least mentioned a better alternative to them | Sep 29 01:40 |
schestowitz | I actually used Windows XP on someone's PC 2 months ago | Sep 29 01:40 |
schestowitz | It was a mess | Sep 29 01:40 |
schestowitz | Firefox crashing, freezing, not starting | Sep 29 01:40 |
schestowitz | "send report" | "don't send"..... | Sep 29 01:40 |
schestowitz | Will_: I sort of did, gently. Some people admire Microsoft, believe it or not | Sep 29 01:41 |
schestowitz | They don't admire the other OSes if they are good, they envy and then detest and mock them. Fear of the unknown. | Sep 29 01:42 |
Will_ | XP usually turns into a mess after about 6-8 months under the average user's care. Gamers tend to do better with it, but then they also can strip out a lot of unneeded services and stuff. They know how to tweak it to get every last frame per second out of it. | Sep 29 01:42 |
kevin009 | yep. the problem is tom the average guy who installs programs and lets them start services at boot unnecessarily | Sep 29 01:43 |
schestowitz | In Windows 98 I had a utility to slim it down | Sep 29 01:43 |
schestowitz | It was a hack | Sep 29 01:43 |
schestowitz | winstart or something | Sep 29 01:43 |
schestowitz | Can't recall. It was ages ago | Sep 29 01:44 |
schestowitz | wincofig also had some stuff in it | Sep 29 01:44 |
schestowitz | *config | Sep 29 01:44 |
Will_ | schestowitz: I don't know if you have it somewhere on your site, but how did you transition into a foss advocate? Or did you know about foss early on? | Sep 29 01:45 |
schestowitz | I hard of Linux at high school | Sep 29 01:46 |
schestowitz | *heard | Sep 29 01:46 |
schestowitz | One of my friends used it | Sep 29 01:46 |
schestowitz | That was the time of really bad monoculture | Sep 29 01:46 |
schestowitz | And OS/2 becoming extinct | Sep 29 01:46 |
Will_ | Going by the rough date estimate, I'm not sure that Linux was very mature at that point. But then, 95/98 era Windows wasn't exactly a marvel of programming, just ok for the time. | Sep 29 01:47 |
schestowitz | I probably wrote some stuff about in http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/ (about 1300 posts) | Sep 29 01:47 |
schestowitz | Will_: Sun did well | Sep 29 01:48 |
schestowitz | Pricey though | Sep 29 01:48 |
Will_ | schestowitz: I hope putting that link there doesn't attract attacks to that site. | Sep 29 01:49 |
schestowitz | Sep 29 01:49 | |
schestowitz | Frost & Sullivan | Sep 29 01:49 |
schestowitz | Pay-to-sayers | Sep 29 01:49 |
schestowitz | http://www.newswiretoday.com/news/57933/ | Sep 29 01:49 |
schestowitz | Will_: the Microsoft shill 'Darryl' (banned in Linux Today) trolled that blog | Sep 29 01:50 |
kevin009 | i tried to run windows 95 on a 3 ghz p4 the other day lol | Sep 29 01:51 |
kevin009 | not gonna happen | Sep 29 01:51 |
schestowitz | http://www.thinkdigit.com/Mobiles-PDAs/Google-throws-the-open-out-of-open-source_3478.html | Sep 29 01:51 |
schestowitz | Floppies? did it ever come in them BTW? | Sep 29 01:51 |
schestowitz | 3.11 was floppies based | Sep 29 01:51 |
Will_ | schestowitz: I saw that earlier. Not sure what the big deal is about the other Google apps. | Sep 29 01:52 |
schestowitz | I might still have MS-DOS 6 somewhere | Sep 29 01:52 |
Will_ | People can just get them separately, right? So why not just let them come with it? | Sep 29 01:52 |
Will_ | schestowitz: Imagine the fun future archeologists are going to have with all this DRM and proprietary stuff. | Sep 29 01:54 |
amarsh04 | win95 came with a boot floppy to load the cd-rom drivers for machines that couldn't boot off cd | Sep 29 01:55 |
amarsh04 | I think win98/98se did also | Sep 29 01:55 |
Will_ | gotta go for now. Back on later maybe. | Sep 29 01:55 |
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schestowitz | archeologists will find some processing keys leaked in Digg.com | Sep 29 01:56 |
kevin009 | i'll bet computers will crack anything around today in 50 years | Sep 29 01:58 |
kevin009 | in 50 years the computers will be so powerful | Sep 29 01:58 |
schestowitz | 50 is too much | Sep 29 01:58 |
schestowitz | You can't assume about this distant future, well... just about anything | Sep 29 01:58 |
schestowitz | First computer is about this old... | Sep 29 01:58 |
kevin009 | they always say "this would take hundreds of years to crack", but they forget how fast tech advances | Sep 29 01:59 |
schestowitz | Quantum/optical computing might come if the world doesn't blow up civilisation first | Sep 29 01:59 |
schestowitz | Making Mars inhabitable would be nice. IPv6 is already multi-planet-ready | Sep 29 02:00 |
schestowitz | There are bits reserved for planets. I can't recall what number Earth was anymore. | Sep 29 02:00 |
schestowitz | You'd need like 2^60 planets... | Sep 29 02:02 |
schestowitz | So there goes half your IPv6 space just for planets, potentially | Sep 29 02:02 |
schestowitz | http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7544/1.html | Sep 29 02:02 |
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cubezzz | there was a 3.5" micro-disk version of win95 | Sep 29 02:13 |
cubezzz | ugh, trying to forgot though :) | Sep 29 02:13 |
cubezzz | DMF format anyone? :) | Sep 29 02:16 |
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schestowitz | gn | Sep 29 02:38 |
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Will_ | schestowitz: followup to that Google Android story: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/28/google_android_developers_reaction/ | Sep 29 02:44 |
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Will_ | Nice to see even the mainstream press thinks the Win7 party ad was terrible: http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/09/28/2136255/Mainstream-Press-Cringes-At-Win7-Launch-Parties?art_pos=2 | Sep 29 02:56 |
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Will_ | You know, come to think of it, FOSS people should probably have signed up in droves to host WIn7 parties. They could demo Linux at the party as well and hand out liveCDs as party favors. | Sep 29 03:03 |
cubezzz | not win7 party | Sep 29 03:14 |
cubezzz | FOSS party :) | Sep 29 03:14 |
cubezzz | people will use whatever they want but... | Sep 29 03:17 |
cubezzz | I don't heard too much excitement about windows 7 | Sep 29 03:17 |
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Will_ | cubezzz: I think the foss people are actually making more noise about 7 than the intended customers are. Though most of our noise is in making fun of the ad campaigns. | Sep 29 03:36 |
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twitter1 | The more noise the better. There's been enough that not even M$NBC can ignore it. | Sep 29 03:48 |
twitter1 | The public will see controversy and begin to think about what Windows does to them. | Sep 29 03:48 |
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cubezzz | reading the comments on slashdot, pretty negative (as usual) re: windows 7 | Sep 29 04:09 |
cubezzz | there's a really good stallman interview which I heard recently | Sep 29 04:11 |
cubezzz | it's not new, it's old | Sep 29 04:11 |
cubezzz | it's on gnu.org and it's called rms-speech-nyu2001.ogg | Sep 29 04:11 |
cubezzz | I'll see if I can find the link... | Sep 29 04:12 |
cubezzz | it's a long one, over 2 hours but very interesting | Sep 29 04:12 |
cubezzz | http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/gnu/GNUinfo/Audio/rms-speech-nyu2001.ogg | Sep 29 04:13 |
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twitter1 | RMS manages to make his speeches interesting | Sep 29 04:27 |
twitter1 | that's quite a trick | Sep 29 04:28 |
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thenixedreport | Hello everyone. | Sep 29 04:33 |
thenixedreport | :) | Sep 29 04:33 |
twitter1 | I wonder why Roy gives this kind of comment air time -> One of the drawbacks to most people who want to migrate to Linux is that it lacks some really good image manipulation applications. | Sep 29 04:36 |
cubezzz | well, he lay the foundation and most of the walls, X11, apache & Linus filled in the gaps | Sep 29 04:37 |
thenixedreport | There's GIMP, but it was never meant to replace Photoshop. | Sep 29 04:37 |
thenixedreport | (and really, most people don't need Photoshop anyway) | Sep 29 04:38 |
cubezzz | GIMP is fine | Sep 29 04:38 |
thenixedreport | I agree. | Sep 29 04:38 |
thenixedreport | To me, it's like this. | Sep 29 04:38 |
thenixedreport | When I go to get a gun, I'm not looking for a mini-rocket launcher. | Sep 29 04:38 |
thenixedreport | Nor am I looking for a mini nuke. | Sep 29 04:38 |
thenixedreport | It's overkill. | Sep 29 04:38 |
twitter1 | GIMP is a free software success story. | Sep 29 04:38 |
thenixedreport | I just want a simple hand gun to defend myself with. | Sep 29 04:38 |
thenixedreport | In the graphics world, most people are never going to use all the features that Photoshop has. | Sep 29 04:39 |
thenixedreport | GIMP fits the bill just fine. | Sep 29 04:39 |
thenixedreport | And GIMP can do something that Photoshop can't. | Sep 29 04:39 |
thenixedreport | It can open really, really, really huge files. | Sep 29 04:39 |
thenixedreport | Because GIMP was designed not to care. | Sep 29 04:39 |
cubezzz | I just was using it too | Sep 29 04:39 |
cubezzz | 1200x1200 pixels | Sep 29 04:40 |
thenixedreport | Photoshop apparently has file size limits in some aspects. | Sep 29 04:40 |
thenixedreport | GIMP does not. | Sep 29 04:40 |
twitter1 | Photoshop got it's start from .... the hobby efforts of the Knoll brothers. | Sep 29 04:40 |
cubezzz | well, I like programming my own stuff, but naturally no one can program everything | Sep 29 04:40 |
twitter1 | As far as I'm concerned, GIMPs internals are better than Photoshops. | Sep 29 04:40 |
cubezzz | the cool part is I can reach into gnu and pick out what I like | Sep 29 04:40 |
cubezzz | port it over, done | Sep 29 04:41 |
twitter1 | Photoshop will have it's own limitations and those of Windows too. | Sep 29 04:41 |
twitter1 | Windows dooms software to toy status. | Sep 29 04:41 |
cubezzz | I saw X windows in the 80's btw | Sep 29 04:42 |
cubezzz | I thought it was amazing... | Sep 29 04:42 |
twitter1 | it is amazing | Sep 29 04:42 |
cubezzz | yes, but this was 20 years ago :) | Sep 29 04:42 |
cubezzz | so I was looking at Waterloo's computer lab and they had these Sun4's with X | Sep 29 04:43 |
cubezzz | and I was thinking, wow, I'd love to have that at home | Sep 29 04:43 |
twitter1 | it is a shame that people got Windoze instead of a version of BSD with X. | Sep 29 04:44 |
twitter1 | The 90s were a lost decade to general purpose computing. | Sep 29 04:44 |
cubezzz | the weird thing is, I'm told there was BSD in the late 70's, but of course I think X started in 1984 | Sep 29 04:44 |
cubezzz | well, there was Amiga for a while... | Sep 29 04:45 |
twitter1 | Unix was made by the people who made BSD. | Sep 29 04:45 |
twitter1 | They did not like being locked out of their code. | Sep 29 04:45 |
cubezzz | I'm sure that's true :) | Sep 29 04:45 |
twitter1 | So they reproduced the few pieces that were not their own. | Sep 29 04:45 |
thenixedreport | ? | Sep 29 04:46 |
thenixedreport | Didn't UNIX come before BSD? | Sep 29 04:46 |
twitter1 | ATT made a lawsuit out of it through much of the 80s, much the way we see M$ attacking gnu/linux today. | Sep 29 04:46 |
thenixedreport | Wasn't BSD a Unix derivative? | Sep 29 04:46 |
cubezzz | ummm | Sep 29 04:46 |
cubezzz | Bell Labs was first I think | Sep 29 04:46 |
cubezzz | right at the beginning | Sep 29 04:46 |
thenixedreport | It was simply called Unix. | Sep 29 04:46 |
thenixedreport | BSD was a flavor of Unix. | Sep 29 04:47 |
thenixedreport | :) | Sep 29 04:47 |
thenixedreport | If memory serves. | Sep 29 04:47 |
cubezzz | before my time... I go back to SCO Unix System V | Sep 29 04:47 |
thenixedreport | :) | Sep 29 04:47 |
twitter1 | The people at Berkely had a hand in making Unix. | Sep 29 04:47 |
twitter1 | When Bell locked them out of Unix, they made BSD, which was Unix in all but name. | Sep 29 04:47 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @EthanZ: Twitter.org? An op-ed from my former biz partner, Bo Peabody, in WaPo. Social networks don't make $, shoul... http://is.gd/3LzRN | Sep 29 04:48 | |
cubezzz | wikipedia says Bell Labs, so if that's wrong, I'm wrong | Sep 29 04:48 |
cubezzz | I have no 1st hand info | Sep 29 04:48 |
twitter1 | The wave of software greed happened in the late 70s and 80s. Much public software was stolen. | Sep 29 04:48 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @EthanZ: My reactions to Bo's "Twitter.org?" provocation: http://is.gd/3LzXy - Social networks as a public good? | Sep 29 04:49 | |
cubezzz | the software was free, the hardware was mega $$$ | Sep 29 04:49 |
twitter1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD | Sep 29 04:49 |
thenixedreport | And now I'm running PCLinuxOS 2009.2 on two machines. | Sep 29 04:50 |
thenixedreport | I'll probably put it on the rest of my machines. | Sep 29 04:50 |
twitter1 | -> The first Unix system at Berkeley was a PDP-11 installed in 1974, and the computer science department used it for extensive research thereafter. | Sep 29 04:51 |
twitter1 | -> in 1977 Bill Joy, then a graduate student at Berkeley, assembled and sent out tapes of the first Berkeley Software Distribution (1BSD). | Sep 29 04:52 |
cubezzz | first Unix on a PC would be interesting to know | Sep 29 04:52 |
cubezzz | so why did windows take over and Unix didn't? | Sep 29 04:54 |
twitter1 | Greed. | Sep 29 04:56 |
cubezzz | sheeple :) | Sep 29 04:56 |
twitter1 | OEM manipulation. | Sep 29 04:56 |
cubezzz | I didn't really embrace Unix, I have to admit | Sep 29 04:57 |
twitter1 | It was hard to do. | Sep 29 04:57 |
cubezzz | looking back, I should have gone to BSD in the 80's | Sep 29 04:58 |
twitter1 | There was a real shortage of useful hardware. | Sep 29 04:58 |
cubezzz | instead I tried a bunch of different OSes | Sep 29 04:58 |
cubezzz | I even ran a 286 version of Unix, didn't stick with it though | Sep 29 04:59 |
cubezzz | yeah, no MMU until 386's and 68020 I think... | Sep 29 04:59 |
cubezzz | not 100% sure about that though | Sep 29 05:00 |
cubezzz | NCR Unix ran on 68020 | Sep 29 05:00 |
twitter1 | You might have run into Xenix, but that was expensive. | Sep 29 05:01 |
cubezzz | actually yes, Xenix 286 :) | Sep 29 05:02 |
cubezzz | then SCO Unix System V | Sep 29 05:02 |
cubezzz | got it from work | Sep 29 05:03 |
twitter1 | -> Keith Bostic... started a project to reimplement most of the standard Unix utilities without using the AT&T code. the result was the June 1991 release of Networking Release 2 (Net/2), a nearly complete operating system that was freely distributable. ... Net/2 was the basis for two separate ports of BSD to the Intel 80386 architecture: the free 386BSD by William Jolitz and the proprietary BSD/386 (later renamed BSD/OS) by Berkeley Software | Sep 29 05:03 |
twitter1 | so, you would have had trouble using BSD on x86 before 1992. I know people who used Xenix in the late 80s and they knew it was much better than DOS and other toy OS. | Sep 29 05:04 |
twitter1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix | Sep 29 05:05 |
cubezzz | twitter1, I was using SCO Unix System V in 1989, I still have all my notes | Sep 29 05:05 |
cubezzz | didn't use BSD at all until much later | Sep 29 05:05 |
twitter1 | the question is, why M$ went with DOS over Xenix. | Sep 29 05:05 |
cubezzz | Xenix was sold to SCO | Sep 29 05:06 |
twitter1 | I'm glad they did, because it sealed their fate. | Sep 29 05:06 |
cubezzz | no idea why :) | Sep 29 05:06 |
cubezzz | I guess they wanted something 100% microsoft made | Sep 29 05:06 |
amarsh04 | ms did their ms-dos development on unix or xenix initially | Sep 29 05:07 |
cubezzz | makes sense | Sep 29 05:07 |
twitter1 | LOL -> Microsoft is said to have used Xenix on Sun workstations and VAX minicomputers extensively within their company as late as 1992.[6] All internal Microsoft email transport was done on Xenix-based 68000 systems until 1993. | Sep 29 05:08 |
twitter1 | TSR80s | Sep 29 05:08 |
cubezzz | I don't remember anyone buying Xenix though | Sep 29 05:08 |
cubezzz | I only used it because I had access to the discs at work | Sep 29 05:09 |
twitter1 | you misspelled "owned" -> cubezzz: I guess they wanted something 100% microsoft made | Sep 29 05:09 |
twitter1 | So they took the lamest of the code they had and rammed it down the OEM channel. | Sep 29 05:10 |
cubezzz | BSD could have been what Linux is now | Sep 29 05:10 |
cubezzz | the power of marketing... | Sep 29 05:10 |
twitter1 | It's not marketing it's the GPL. | Sep 29 05:11 |
twitter1 | People like the GPL. | Sep 29 05:11 |
cubezzz | well sure, that's a good point | Sep 29 05:11 |
twitter1 | Copy left works. | Sep 29 05:12 |
twitter1 | Companies like SCO, Sun, SGI, HP wasted a lot of effort duplicating the same functionality for their non free versions of BSD. | Sep 29 05:13 |
cubezzz | with SCO Unix System V we didn't have X either | Sep 29 05:13 |
cubezzz | we had curses :) | Sep 29 05:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Ppl need the ability 2 control their own web presence instead of hoping Fb or Twitter always treat u the way u want. Brion http://tr.im/A3RZ | Sep 29 05:14 | |
cubezzz | which kind of sucked | Sep 29 05:14 |
twitter1 | In the mean time, everything done for gnu/linux is shared in common, and the product of all that work is greater than the sum of the effort put into it. | Sep 29 05:14 |
cubezzz | X isn't GPL btw | Sep 29 05:14 |
cubezzz | MIT license | Sep 29 05:14 |
twitter1 | xorg is X11 license | Sep 29 05:15 |
cubezzz | so SCO could have used X, maybe they did later on | Sep 29 05:15 |
twitter1 | ah yes, same thing | Sep 29 05:15 |
twitter1 | " The license is also GPL-compatible, meaning that the GPL permits combination and redistribution with software that uses the MIT License. | Sep 29 05:16 |
twitter1 | hmmm. | Sep 29 05:16 |
cubezzz | still could be used in proprietary code though | Sep 29 05:16 |
twitter1 | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html -> The X11 license and the revised BSD license are more or less equivalent | Sep 29 05:18 |
twitter1 | obviously, a copy left license protects software freedom best. | Sep 29 05:18 |
twitter1 | ah ha, someone is playing tricks on wikipedia to link X11 license to MIT license. -> This license is sometimes called the MIT license, but that term is misleading, since MIT has used many licenses for software. | Sep 29 05:20 |
Balrog | Х11 licence != MIT license | Sep 29 05:20 |
Balrog | at all | Sep 29 05:20 |
Balrog | or not | Sep 29 05:21 |
Balrog | but there's that XFree86 license that generates issues | Sep 29 05:21 |
balzac | >_> | Sep 29 05:26 |
balzac | <_< | Sep 29 05:26 |
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balzac | 0_0 | Sep 29 05:26 |
cubezzz | reading :) | Sep 29 05:26 |
balzac | I read about the words between RMS and Miguel de Icaza | Sep 29 05:26 |
balzac | Typical RMS, just saying it without mincing words | Sep 29 05:27 |
balzac | "sellout" would have been a bit nicer than "traitor" | Sep 29 05:27 |
balzac | but regardless of that, it doesn't matter | Sep 29 05:28 |
balzac | RMS is not admired so much for persuasiveness in general, but for being right and being persistent about it. | Sep 29 05:28 |
balzac | Miguel doesn't care as much about freedom | Sep 29 05:29 |
cubezzz | RMS was right, yes | Sep 29 05:29 |
balzac | so he works in FOSS and then goes into the service of Microsoft | Sep 29 05:29 |
thenixedreport | But my question is why is Miguel doing what he is doing? | Sep 29 05:30 |
thenixedreport | Does he truly admire MS that much? | Sep 29 05:30 |
cubezzz | it says here that de Icaza left the FSF board in 2002 | Sep 29 05:30 |
thenixedreport | Or is there something deeper going on. | Sep 29 05:31 |
cubezzz | I doubt it | Sep 29 05:31 |
cubezzz | probably wants more money | Sep 29 05:31 |
thenixedreport | What was the stated reason for leaving the FSF board in '02? | Sep 29 05:31 |
balzac | money, thenixedreport | Sep 29 05:31 |
balzac | miguel is in a hurry to get mroe | Sep 29 05:31 |
thenixedreport | But why get more money? | Sep 29 05:31 |
thenixedreport | He has enough already. | Sep 29 05:31 |
thenixedreport | Is he afraid he'll lose it all? | Sep 29 05:31 |
balzac | I don't judge people like him harshly, but it's important to realize they're not working towards the same goals as we are. | Sep 29 05:32 |
cubezzz | there's the 2002 annual report, it might say something about it | Sep 29 05:32 |
balzac | thus, he is identified as one who used to be in the service of software freedom, and who then defected and now works in the service of microsoft who attacks software freedom | Sep 29 05:32 |
balzac | thus, the word "traitor" to the movement | Sep 29 05:33 |
cubezzz | hence the term :) | Sep 29 05:33 |
cubezzz | well it looks bad | Sep 29 05:33 |
balzac | nothing to get emotional about | Sep 29 05:33 |
balzac | it's a strong word and one I wouldn't use, but i see my place in the free software movement in helping people understand RMS in spite of any eccentricities | Sep 29 05:34 |
cubezzz | you know what would be cool though? | Sep 29 05:34 |
balzac | what? | Sep 29 05:34 |
cubezzz | a Microsoft guy defected to the FSF :) | Sep 29 05:34 |
twitter1 | Miguel's blog might say something -> cubezzz: there's the 2002 annual report, it might say something about it | Sep 29 05:34 |
balzac | that would be nice | Sep 29 05:34 |
cubezzz | defecting even | Sep 29 05:34 |
thenixedreport | I wonder... | Sep 29 05:35 |
thenixedreport | If Miguel is truly doing what he's doing of his own free will. | Sep 29 05:35 |
twitter1 | Traitor is the right word | Sep 29 05:35 |
thenixedreport | What if he's being forced to do it against his will? | Sep 29 05:35 |
balzac | I know how life-long activists get impatient and are misunderstood by people with short attention spans | Sep 29 05:35 |
twitter1 | mono is a trap | Sep 29 05:35 |
thenixedreport | I'm playing devil's advocate/being curious. | Sep 29 05:35 |
twitter1 | Miguel is helping to build it | Sep 29 05:35 |
thenixedreport | Mono is crap. | Sep 29 05:35 |
thenixedreport | Plain and simple. | Sep 29 05:35 |
balzac | my dad would say some harsh rhetoric once in a while | Sep 29 05:35 |
twitter1 | .NET is crap. | Sep 29 05:36 |
thenixedreport | However, the real issue is software patents. | Sep 29 05:36 |
cubezzz | I'm not arguing :) | Sep 29 05:36 |
thenixedreport | :) | Sep 29 05:36 |
balzac | doesn't mean he's not right, just means he's a bit tired of explaining things, so he falls back on strong language | Sep 29 05:36 |
twitter1 | I'm wondering if Miguel realizes the trap he's making. | Sep 29 05:36 |
thenixedreport | The whole Mono thing can easily be used to distract from software patents in general. | Sep 29 05:36 |
balzac | microsoft's patent strategy is crap | Sep 29 05:36 |
balzac | which makes everything they do into a trap | Sep 29 05:36 |
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balzac | twitter1: i figure he knows | Sep 29 05:37 |
balzac | i have been thinking lately that microsoft is being used as a sort of digital ghetto for people | Sep 29 05:37 |
balzac | why bother to give them freedom when you can control them? | Sep 29 05:38 |
balzac | i don't judge the character of Miguel de Icaza, or even Steve Ballmer or Bill Gates harshly | Sep 29 05:39 |
balzac | I think they're just in love with money and not so much with freedom as computer users. | Sep 29 05:39 |
balzac | so let's beat them in business with a smile | Sep 29 05:39 |
cubezzz | yeah but how greedy can you get? | Sep 29 05:39 |
balzac | and unlike many "open source" developers who've been trapped into criticizing RMS and tricked into rationalizing giving up freedoms, let's avoid that. | Sep 29 05:40 |
balzac | i can get very greedy | Sep 29 05:40 |
balzac | while never giving up my focus on freedom | Sep 29 05:41 |
balzac | if free software entrepreneurs don't match the proprietary rivals for greed, we can't take their market share | Sep 29 05:42 |
balzac | and then we're not spreading freedom | Sep 29 05:42 |
twitter1 | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Atirania.org%2Fblog%2F+2002&aq=o&oq=&aqi= | Sep 29 05:42 |
balzac | so we must be friendly in our demeanor while competing aggressively, and refusing to undermine or criticize RMS. | Sep 29 05:43 |
balzac | I only make the mildest critiques of his words, but I always support what his intended purpose is. | Sep 29 05:43 |
balzac | I showed one of my clients this video in which RMS took off his sock and then was picking at his foot. | Sep 29 05:45 |
balzac | then his hand went to his mouth. | Sep 29 05:45 |
balzac | WTF? | Sep 29 05:45 |
cubezzz | yeah I saw that | Sep 29 05:45 |
balzac | doesn't matter. he's right about what he's been doing all these years. | Sep 29 05:45 |
balzac | The GNU licenses have such integrity, they're taking market share even without a huge marketing campaign and charismatic people selling it | Sep 29 05:47 |
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twitter1 | I'm afraid of what I might be caught doing if I was under the camera as often as RMS is. | Sep 29 05:47 |
cubezzz | Stallman can be convincing in person | Sep 29 05:47 |
twitter1 | He's convincing in writing too. | Sep 29 05:47 |
balzac | The thing is, he's just thought it through and what he says has merit. | Sep 29 05:47 |
balzac | yes, I have his book signed, and I've had conversations in person and plenty by email. | Sep 29 05:48 |
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balzac | Anyway, RMS' detractors probably thought they had something really great | Sep 29 05:50 |
balzac | just like Dennis Kucinich's detractors love it whenever he says something eccentric or colorful | Sep 29 05:50 |
Diablo-D3 | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/28/neweggs-ipo-filing-reveals-the-financials-behind-a-2-billion-electronics-retailer/ | Sep 29 05:50 |
Diablo-D3 | newegg ipo'd | Sep 29 05:51 |
balzac | i saw that | Sep 29 05:51 |
balzac | these guys who keep saying RMS is hurting free software are such jokers | Sep 29 05:52 |
Diablo-D3 | RMS _is_ hurting free software | Sep 29 05:52 |
Diablo-D3 | hes a rabid dog we let out of his cage too often | Sep 29 05:53 |
balzac | Diablo-D3: you are not the guy to say that | Sep 29 05:53 |
balzac | your nick is based on a proprietary game | Sep 29 05:54 |
Diablo-D3 | nice try, but nope | Sep 29 05:54 |
Diablo-D3 | my nick predates blizzard entertainment | Sep 29 05:54 |
balzac | well, regardless of that, you're not a pivotal figure in free software | Sep 29 05:54 |
thenixedreport | RMS has his own views. | Sep 29 05:55 |
Diablo-D3 | I'm more pivotal than you are, thats for sure. | Sep 29 05:55 |
balzac | Diablo-D3: but please continue | Sep 29 05:55 |
balzac | i doubt that | Sep 29 05:55 |
balzac | but carry n | Sep 29 05:55 |
thenixedreport | If you can't accept the fact that he has rights as an individual, then that's not my problem. | Sep 29 05:55 |
Diablo-D3 | thenixedreport: yes, but RMS is no longer an "individual" | Sep 29 05:56 |
balzac | Diablo-D3: you're more pivotal than me | Sep 29 05:56 |
balzac | please continue | Sep 29 05:56 |
Diablo-D3 | thenixedreport: its like the president calling kayne west a jackass | Sep 29 05:56 |
Diablo-D3 | sure, we all agree with the president, but you dont say that when you're the president | Sep 29 05:56 |
balzac | Diablo-D3: you're obama and RMS is kanye? | Sep 29 05:56 |
Diablo-D3 | balzac: no | Sep 29 05:57 |
Diablo-D3 | rms is obama, and any of his unfortunate victims are kanye wests. | Sep 29 05:57 |
balzac | how does your analogy work? | Sep 29 05:57 |
balzac | pff | Sep 29 05:57 |
Diablo-D3 | I dont hate RMS | Sep 29 05:57 |
thenixedreport | @balzac: I think he's making a reference to public figures. | Sep 29 05:57 |
Diablo-D3 | at least someone understood me. | Sep 29 05:57 |
thenixedreport | RMS is a public figure. | Sep 29 05:57 |
balzac | yeah, public figures calling out little guys | Sep 29 05:57 |
Diablo-D3 | RMS _is_ a public figure and he should act like one | Sep 29 05:58 |
balzac | kanye is a public figure and so is miguel de icaza | Sep 29 05:58 |
Diablo-D3 | now, I get to call miguel a jackass | Sep 29 05:58 |
Diablo-D3 | RMS shouldnt | Sep 29 05:58 |
Diablo-D3 | RMS should be above that | Sep 29 05:58 |
thenixedreport | And PCLinuxOS is installing on my ASUS F3T (haven't ran it in a while). | Sep 29 05:58 |
balzac | Diablo-D3: RMS doesn't get much recognition | Sep 29 05:58 |
balzac | if he weren't treated with such disregard, i'm sure he'd have a more polished presentation style | Sep 29 05:58 |
balzac | miguel is a bit of a weasel | Sep 29 05:59 |
balzac | i'm not worried about RMS' statement | Sep 29 05:59 |
Diablo-D3 | miguel is a jackass | Sep 29 05:59 |
Diablo-D3 | Ive actually talked to him on IRC | Sep 29 05:59 |
balzac | miguel is crying all the way to the bank | Sep 29 05:59 |
Diablo-D3 | the guy has obviously gone full shilltard. | Sep 29 05:59 |
balzac | he's gone emotional | Sep 29 06:00 |
balzac | people who were only emotionally connected, not intellectually connected with the cause can drift away if they get burned out. | Sep 29 06:01 |
balzac | emotions are not necessarily anchored like principles | Sep 29 06:01 |
balzac | one day you're a beatles fan, later on maybe you like the stones | Sep 29 06:02 |
balzac | but if you've taken the time to think it through on software licenses, you're not going to start working against your principles | Sep 29 06:02 |
balzac | so Miguel is a light-weight who never thought it through, and now he's emotionally alienated | Sep 29 06:03 |
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Diablo-D3 | wait wait wait | Sep 29 06:03 |
balzac | i'm sorry for him, but it's not a big deal. I'm not judgemental of him as a person, because life is about more than software. | Sep 29 06:03 |
Diablo-D3 | your example sucks | Sep 29 06:03 |
Diablo-D3 | you can be a fan of the beatles and the stones at the same time | Sep 29 06:03 |
Diablo-D3 | the problem is mono is more like britney spears | Sep 29 06:04 |
balzac | true | Sep 29 06:04 |
Diablo-D3 | if you like britney spears I'll kick the shit out of you | Sep 29 06:04 |
balzac | well, have you seen the video for Womanizer? | Sep 29 06:04 |
balzac | Britney Spears is back and she's sexy again. | Sep 29 06:04 |
Diablo-D3 | "whore" shall never be sexy. | Sep 29 06:04 |
balzac | dude, i pay whores when i can afford them | Sep 29 06:05 |
balzac | and i don't think you know what the word "whore" means if you don't think they're sexy. | Sep 29 06:05 |
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thenixedreport | *shakes head in disbelief* | Sep 29 06:05 |
balzac | sex is their trade | Sep 29 06:05 |
balzac | the oldest profession | Sep 29 06:05 |
thenixedreport | Wow. | Sep 29 06:05 |
thenixedreport | Just..... | Sep 29 06:05 |
thenixedreport | ........wow...... | Sep 29 06:05 |
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balzac | lol | Sep 29 06:06 |
balzac | that one ended nicely =] | Sep 29 06:06 |
thenixedreport | Somehow, I don't think that the discussion of people selling themselves for sex was very appropriate in this channel. | Sep 29 06:09 |
balzac | well, it's nobody's fault | Sep 29 06:09 |
balzac | i brought up beatles and stones | Sep 29 06:09 |
masticator | nice locker room that schestowitz runs here | Sep 29 06:09 |
balzac | he brought up britney spears | Sep 29 06:09 |
cubezzz | Communication about anything :) | Sep 29 06:10 |
balzac | then he forced me to defend the fact that I liked Womanizer | Sep 29 06:10 |
balzac | ll | Sep 29 06:10 |
balzac | lol | Sep 29 06:10 |
thenixedreport | Well, in all fairness, I would hardly find any form of walking STD's to be sexy in the slightest. | Sep 29 06:10 |
thenixedreport | That, and if I were to pay a hooker, I wouldn't broadcast that in IRC anyway. | Sep 29 06:10 |
balzac | well, to be fair, the whores in the red light district in amsterdam have good hygenic practices | Sep 29 06:10 |
balzac | i don't worry about it | Sep 29 06:11 |
cubezzz | you're Dutch balzac? | Sep 29 06:11 |
balzac | i've advocated decriminalizaing cocaine, prostitution on change.gov under my given name | Sep 29 06:11 |
balzac | no, american | Sep 29 06:11 |
thenixedreport | lol | Sep 29 06:11 |
balzac | one of my slogans is "crumble a rock on a blunt and let go of old prejudices" | Sep 29 06:12 |
balzac | or "snort a rail off a hooker's derriere" | Sep 29 06:12 |
balzac | i call it a vision quest | Sep 29 06:12 |
masticator | this is why I gave up IRC for 10 years | Sep 29 06:13 |
balzac | anyway, roy would say it's not on topic | Sep 29 06:13 |
balzac | so i'll let it go at that... | Sep 29 06:13 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Huh?!?! @_@ http://bit.ly/2Fiih | Sep 29 06:41 | |
twitter1 | no one is running this place. It's all trolled out by the usual suspects. I'm not sure why Roy does not kick ban them -> masticator: nice locker room that schestowitz runs here | Sep 29 06:46 |
MinceR | indeed. | Sep 29 06:48 |
twitter1 | Interesting case, Omar87, but think of trying to keep it dusted. | Sep 29 06:48 |
twitter1 | every corner is a place that's hard to clean. | Sep 29 06:48 |
twitter1 | LOL -> the Level 10 is huge. It's 12.5 inches wide, two feet deep, and 26.2 inches high, and weighs over 47 pounds. | Sep 29 06:50 |
twitter1 | biggest box ever. | Sep 29 06:50 |
*twitter1 mounts my EEE PC in discarded mini computer case, hooks up usb raid array and call is a server! | Sep 29 06:52 | |
twitter1 | bbl | Sep 29 06:52 |
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the Swindle fails to perform http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/09/29/0133221/In-Trial-Kindles-Disappointing-University-Users | Sep 29 07:33 | |
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All of the "paper learning" mentioned is easily recreated with html | Sep 29 07:34 | |
as long as works studied are free | Sep 29 07:34 | |
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twitter1 | LOL at multiple levels of retardation -> http://apple.slashdot.org/story/09/09/28/2330229/Apple-Pushes-Unwanted-Software-To-PCs-Again?art_pos=6&art_pos=6 | Sep 29 07:42 |
twitter1 | it is especially funny that anyone would worry that Apache would make Windoze less secure than it already is. | Sep 29 07:42 |
twitter1 | if you put your computer on the interwebs as a browser and explore, you will be save. if you put the same pee cee on as a "server" you will be teh owned. drool. | Sep 29 07:44 |
twitter1 | world and dog laughs at Windows 7 launch party videos -> http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/09/28/2136255/Mainstream-Press-Cringes-At-Win7-Launch-Parties | Sep 29 07:46 |
*MinceR laughs too | Sep 29 07:48 | |
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schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/10936319 http://identi.ca/notice/10936589 | Sep 29 07:57 |
schestowitz | "@schestowitz I actually think Linux is already beyond MS's reach now. The only thing I can see really threatening it now is DRM" | Sep 29 07:57 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] fuckin' WIN! Huts used to defeat Nazis rescued by £4m grant http://is.gd/3M9TG £450k now, maybe £4m later, total £10m needed #BPark | Sep 29 08:44 | |
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schestowitz | "Google and the Rocky Mountain Bank have asked a judge to vacate a controversial order directing the deactivation of a Gmail account that was mistakenly sent confidential data." http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=114347 | Sep 29 08:55 |
schestowitz | Newton designer returns to Apple http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/29/michael_tchao_rehired_by_apple/ | Sep 29 08:59 |
schestowitz | http://holloway.co.nz/blog/2009/09/wheres-opendocument-1-2/ | Sep 29 09:23 |
schestowitz | Microsoft minion trolls us: http://twitter.com/jlundstocholm/statuses/4310838422 | Sep 29 09:30 |
schestowitz | "anti-ooxml ppl" | Sep 29 09:30 |
schestowitz | tessier: Vietnam has just made ODF a national standard. | Sep 29 09:31 |
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amarsh04 | drug alarms installed in .nz homes http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/29/2699510.htm?section=world | Sep 29 09:57 |
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_Hicham_ | Hi All! | Sep 29 10:09 |
_Hicham_ | Good Morning Don Schestowitz ! | Sep 29 10:10 |
schestowitz | gi, _Hicham_ | Sep 29 10:10 |
schestowitz | *hi | Sep 29 10:10 |
schestowitz | GI Hicham Joe | Sep 29 10:10 |
schestowitz | amarsh04: the 'war on drugs{tm}' is just costing a lot of money and those wanting to produce drugs will find a way around it | Sep 29 10:11 |
schestowitz | Maybe some company wants to sell some sensors and keep the 'war mode' going | Sep 29 10:11 |
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amarsh04 | true schestowitz | Sep 29 10:12 |
schestowitz | Here in the UK there was a proposal favouring CCTV in some people's homes | Sep 29 10:12 |
schestowitz | I guess they can use the boiler room then | Sep 29 10:12 |
amarsh04 | yes, I saw that on a local privacy list | Sep 29 10:13 |
schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/6239929/Googles-Doodles-10-of-the-best-including-UFOs-and-Googlle.html | Sep 29 10:17 |
schestowitz | amarsh04: seems like the "movie plot" type of things Schneier speaks about. They have a warped vision of controlled society with unrealistic expectations. | Sep 29 10:18 |
amarsh04 | true... | Sep 29 10:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cisco's Linux Contest Reveals Finalists http://bit.ly/DQCDt | Sep 29 10:42 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #GNU #Linux Users Says It is Better Than #Windows http://bit.ly/49w9ov | Sep 29 10:43 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 10 Key Moments in #Linux Development http://bit.ly/zjW6K | Sep 29 10:45 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Colleges Run #GNU #Linux While Pretending to be Windows? http://bit.ly/OEcpX | Sep 29 10:48 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Explains How Its Product Depends on #FreeSoftware Developers http://bit.ly/3VLnHj | Sep 29 10:52 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux 2.6.32 Preview http://bit.ly/4D079O | Sep 29 10:54 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Conspiracy of Companies Work to Put #TreacherousComputing in #Linux http://bit.ly/1zBtfX | Sep 29 10:55 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenCL Drivers Released by #NVIDIA and #Mesa 7.6 Released http://bit.ly/5dYa1 http://bit.ly/1IGkj | Sep 29 10:58 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Games Come to #GNU #Linux : #Aquaria , #Osmos http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14132 | Sep 29 11:08 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME 3.0 Introduction and Other GNOME Developments http://www.silwenae.org/blog/?p=1217 http://bit.ly/TwUVz | Sep 29 11:09 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva 2010 Accumulates Wallpapers http://bit.ly/5ojGj | Sep 29 11:13 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Small Old #Gadgets Turn to #FreeSoftware Gadgets (or #Linux ) http://bit.ly/1dwsuL http://bit.ly/XsaVT | Sep 29 11:19 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New HD #Videoconferencing System Powered by #Linux http://bit.ly/mZvdh | Sep 29 11:21 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #Device -- One Among Many -- Runs #Linux http://bit.ly/3wzMAB http://bit.ly/Fm5fF | Sep 29 11:22 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Power in Action: Good #Hackers Seize Control of Google's #Android http://bit.ly/YKCTh http://bit.ly/vTKTN | Sep 29 11:26 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MySQL Finds Growth in #FreeSoftware Use, #Rutgers Embraces #Drupal http://bit.ly/r8NY6 http://buytaert.net/rutgers-using-drupal | Sep 29 11:29 | |
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Omar87 | twitter: Speaking about the case, the best way to keep it dusted is to prevent it from collecting dust. :) | Sep 29 11:30 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenOffice .org's Renaissance in Detail, OpenOffice.org 3.2 Has "Great New Features" http://bit.ly/LINrO http://bit.ly/JHMkE | Sep 29 11:31 | |
Omar87 | twitter: For example, never leave it uncovered when the computer is on. :) | Sep 29 11:31 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Budgetary Gains from #FreeSoftware Weigh $Trillions http://bit.ly/U45vk http://bit.ly/eQZnr | Sep 29 11:37 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Open Source" Put to Different Use (Nausea) http://bit.ly/fLi8y | Sep 29 11:41 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GitHub Finds Home Down Under http://bit.ly/3GevLq #git | Sep 29 11:45 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Reveals More Signs of Corruption http://techdirt.com/articles/20090925/0801256322.shtml | Sep 29 11:48 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LilyAllen and #IntellectualMonopolies Give Up, #Warner Joins #YouTube Era http://techdirt.com/articles/20090927/1825076330.shtml http: ... | Sep 29 11:49 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] US Government Arguable Argues Against #SoftwarePatents http://bit.ly/O63hB | Sep 29 11:50 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Patents Discourage #Innovation http://techdirt.com/articles/20090921/0217286260.shtml http://bit.ly/1Dr90n | Sep 29 11:53 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Slovakia and #Vietnam Make #OpenDocument Format the National Standard http://twitter.com/rcweir/statuses/4315836494 http://bit.ly/ZVgc ... | Sep 29 11:56 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Internet porn 'name change plan' - Haven't we been here before? http://tinyurl.com/yj94tx2 | Sep 29 12:00 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] EU Commission Criticised for Letting Microsoft Off the Hook http://bit.ly/WjlTb http://blogs.fsfe.org/gerloff/?p=263 | Sep 29 12:00 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF Recommended for Preservation of Information http://bit.ly/ulT2x | Sep 29 12:03 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Does Bad Things to People's PCs by Installing " #Shovelware " http://bit.ly/1LoRWA | Sep 29 12:06 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Sex abuse rife in other religions, says Vatican - Oh the itony http://tinyurl.com/yazo2zn | Sep 29 12:06 | |
schestowitz | gtk-record-my-desktop doesn't handle dual-head :-( | Sep 29 12:29 |
_Hicham_ | are using gnome? | Sep 29 12:34 |
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schestowitz | Heh. Deepest hole in the ground in 12k. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBSDMYHkv1k&feature=channel | Sep 29 12:55 |
schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, kwin | Sep 29 12:55 |
_Hicham_ | then why do u expect it to handle dual head ? | Sep 29 12:55 |
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schestowitz | I think I just don't manage with the GUI | Sep 29 13:09 |
schestowitz | There's some selection thingie in there. I can't figure it out. | Sep 29 13:09 |
schestowitz | Rein in Government Spying: Reform the USA PATRIOT Act and Repeal Telco Immunity http://www.eff.org/action/rein-government-spying | Sep 29 13:16 |
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schestowitz | I can do cursor follows mouse | Sep 29 13:23 |
schestowitz | Then I can move between screens | Sep 29 13:23 |
schestowitz | It doesn't exceed about 1800px in width though | Sep 29 13:23 |
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schestowitz | He, phIRCe! http:// | Sep 29 13:39 |
schestowitz | He, phIRCe! http://blah | Sep 29 13:39 |
schestowitz | He, phIRCe! http://blah.com | Sep 29 13:39 |
MinceR | http://127.0.0.1/ | Sep 29 13:39 |
schestowitz | LOL | Sep 29 13:39 |
MinceR | i think you broke the bot :> | Sep 29 13:40 |
schestowitz | You got it upset | Sep 29 13:40 |
schestowitz | http://boyocttlinspire.com | Sep 29 13:40 |
schestowitz | http://boycottlinspire.com | Sep 29 13:40 |
phIRCe | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 29 13:40 |
phIRCe | Title: OpenDNS .::. Size~: 2.02 KB | Sep 29 13:40 |
phIRCe | Title: Main Page - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 27.57 KB | Sep 29 13:41 |
trmanco | blah won't match | Sep 29 13:41 |
trmanco | the first one | Sep 29 13:41 |
MinceR | i wonder which one was http://127.0.0.1/ | Sep 29 13:42 |
trmanco | none | Sep 29 13:42 |
trmanco | it just won't match | Sep 29 13:42 |
trmanco | http://127.0.0.1.com | Sep 29 13:42 |
trmanco | that one doesn't seem to match either | Sep 29 13:43 |
trmanco | to many "sub-domains" | Sep 29 13:43 |
trmanco | PHP Warning: get_headers(http://blah.com): failed to open stream: Connection timed out in /home/trmanco/public_html/phirce/Class.phIRCe.php on line 385 | Sep 29 13:44 |
trmanco | Warning: get_headers(http://blah.com): failed to open stream: Connection timed out in /home/trmanco/public_html/phirce/Class.phIRCe.php on line 385 | Sep 29 13:44 |
phIRCe | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 29 13:45 |
trmanco | lol | Sep 29 13:45 |
trmanco | oops | Sep 29 13:45 |
phIRCe | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 29 13:46 |
*Diablo-D3 facepalms | Sep 29 13:53 | |
trmanco | I'll bring it back in a while | Sep 29 13:55 |
trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Sep 29 13:56 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Cultural Imperialism | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/ydplsbt | Sep 29 13:59 | |
Diablo-D3 | http://i488.photobucket.com/albums/rr247/FEGuy/optimaldisplay.png | Sep 29 14:03 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: yes, it's like VIsta | Sep 29 14:05 |
schestowitz | Beta quality at best | Sep 29 14:05 |
schestowitz | RT[F]M | Sep 29 14:05 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I wish that was my machine | Sep 29 14:09 |
Diablo-D3 | I'd love to have a monitor that big :< | Sep 29 14:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] My take on: #Vietnam Makes it Official with #OpenDocument Format (ODF) http://bit.ly/ecC0D | Sep 29 14:13 | |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: too big | Sep 29 14:13 |
Diablo-D3 | hey, maybe thats their new touch desk thing | Sep 29 14:13 |
schestowitz | It would not be worth the electricity after about 3 heads | Sep 29 14:14 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Hits Two Glass Houses with One Stone http://bit.ly/3RSAJo | Sep 29 14:28 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @polljack: Daily Mail is dangerously wrong about the cervical cancer jab. Vote No to counteract their lethal nonsense http://bit.ly/qBwII | Sep 29 14:50 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple Mimics “Shovelware” Tactics from Microsoft, European Commission Unable to Mitigate Impact http://bit.ly/15O8ef | Sep 29 14:59 | |
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schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8278364.stm | Sep 29 15:30 |
phIRCe | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 84.44 KB | Sep 29 15:30 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mono and #Moblin as the Microsoft-approved “Open Source Solution” http://bit.ly/5QnwO | Sep 29 15:37 | |
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trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/security/Exploit-published-for-SMB2-vulnerability-in-Windows--/news/114343 | Sep 29 15:42 |
trmanco | hmm | Sep 29 15:42 |
trmanco | http://tinyurl.com/yddnse4 | Sep 29 15:42 |
trmanco | :| | Sep 29 15:42 |
trmanco | http://hedayatvk.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/barrelfish-etc/ | Sep 29 15:47 |
phIRCe | Title: Barrelfish, My Thesis! « Hedayats Blog .::. Size~: 13.3 KB | Sep 29 15:47 |
trmanco | "I was pretty shocked when I was reading its README file and saw that the OS is created on Linux! As an OS related to Microsoft, I didn’t expect it!" | Sep 29 15:48 |
trmanco | http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/09/29/explaining-to-girls/ | Sep 29 15:51 |
phIRCe | Title: Explaining to girls « We'll see | Matt Zimmerman .::. Size~: 59.38 KB | Sep 29 15:51 |
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trmanco | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/mac-osx-mistakes-and-malfeatures | Sep 29 15:58 |
phIRCe | Title: Mac OS X mistakes and malfeatures - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 28.63 KB | Sep 29 15:58 |
trmanco | interesting read | Sep 29 15:58 |
schestowitz | trmanco: didn't take long for the exploit to arise | Sep 29 15:58 |
trmanco | it has been in the works for more than 2 weeks | Sep 29 15:58 |
trmanco | they had enough time to fix it | Sep 29 15:59 |
schestowitz | trmanco: the mdz thing, better not spend time discussing the issue and making a mountain out of a molehill | Sep 29 16:00 |
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Omar871 | trmanco: I really like your bot. :) | Sep 29 16:10 |
Omar871 | trmanco: Can I have the source code? | Sep 29 16:10 |
trmanco | of course you can | Sep 29 16:10 |
trmanco | it's gpl | Sep 29 16:10 |
Omar871 | trmanco: Where did you put it? SF? | Sep 29 16:11 |
trmanco | no, bitbucket | Sep 29 16:11 |
Omar871 | trmanco: Freedom FTW! | Sep 29 16:11 |
Omar871 | trmanco: Great. | Sep 29 16:11 |
trmanco | http://bitbucket.org/trmanco/phirce/ | Sep 29 16:11 |
trmanco | IPv6 Tallken :) | Sep 29 16:11 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patents Harm Innovation (Again), Government Intervenes in Bilski Case and Still Hides ACTA http://bit.ly/1q973O | Sep 29 16:14 | |
phIRCe | Title: Patents Roundup: Patents Harm Innovation (Again), Government Intervenes in Bilski Case and Still Hides ACTA | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 113.97 KB | Sep 29 16:14 |
schestowitz | In http://bitbucket.org/trmanco/phirce/src/tip/Class.phIRCe.php -> "Watch you language!" | Sep 29 16:15 |
schestowitz | Should the typo "your" be there? | Sep 29 16:15 |
trmanco | yes | Sep 29 16:15 |
trmanco | thanks :| | Sep 29 16:15 |
schestowitz | Nice code NTW | Sep 29 16:15 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] JK Rowling lost out on US medal over Harry Potter 'witchcraft' - Why does this not surprise me? http://tinyurl.com/yb73622 | Sep 29 16:16 | |
trmanco | I wonder why I've never caught that error | Sep 29 16:16 |
trmanco | NTW? | Sep 29 16:16 |
schestowitz | private function ParseURL($url) | Sep 29 16:16 |
schestowitz | "This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. | Sep 29 16:17 |
trmanco | oh boy | Sep 29 16:17 |
trmanco | :-P | Sep 29 16:17 |
schestowitz | g2g bbl | Sep 29 16:17 |
trmanco | ok | Sep 29 16:18 |
trmanco | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3841331/How-Will-Users-React-to-GNOME-30.htm | Sep 29 16:20 |
phIRCe | Title: How Will Users React to GNOME 3.0? — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 70.68 KB | Sep 29 16:20 |
trmanco | LOL @ &mdash | Sep 29 16:21 |
Tallken | trmanco: :) | Sep 29 16:23 |
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trmanco | http://www.osnews.com/story/22251/Another_Microsoft_Research_Operating_System_Helios | Sep 29 16:30 |
phIRCe | Title: Another Microsoft Research Operating System: Helios .::. Size~: 22.76 KB | Sep 29 16:30 |
trmanco | I wonder if it's also linux based... | Sep 29 16:30 |
trmanco | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Gmail-Outage-Was-Caused-by-Heavy-Load-on-the-Contacts-Service-122899.shtml | Sep 29 16:32 |
trmanco | see | Sep 29 16:32 |
phIRCe | Title: Gmail Outage Was Caused by Heavy Load on the Contacts Service - Leading Google engineers to cut off access to the service entirely - Softpedia .::. Size~: 48.16 KB | Sep 29 16:32 |
trmanco | told you so that this was something related to the new contact app thingy | Sep 29 16:33 |
trmanco | http://searchengineland.com/google-broadening-wave-access-with-gmail-like-rollout-26749 | Sep 29 16:36 |
phIRCe | Title: Google Broadening Wave Access With GMail-Like Rollout .::. Size~: 40.71 KB | Sep 29 16:36 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Daily Mail suspends complete bollocks injections after reader dies of stupidity http://notnews.today.com/?p=671 (cheers @polljack) | Sep 29 16:54 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wikipedia essay: White Barbarian http://is.gd/3MOgz #wikipedia | Sep 29 17:03 | |
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trmanco | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/29/ballmer-microsoft-interview-chrome-windows-internetexplorer/ | Sep 29 17:08 |
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trmanco | these rounding errors are frightening MS | Sep 29 17:09 |
trmanco | http://www.netboot.me/ | Sep 29 17:18 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @jsalsman "She once pulled an AK-47 on a member of the Taliban for failing to pay his phone bill." http://is.gd/3MPDU BEST OBITUARY EVER | Sep 29 17:21 | |
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tessier | schestowitz: Getting a translation of that document... | Sep 29 18:31 |
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tessier | http://is.gd/3MPDU does not seem to lead to anything but a blank page on some weird server | Sep 29 18:37 |
Diablo-D3 | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/29/android-based-odroid-handheld-available-for-pre-order/ | Sep 29 18:40 |
phIRCe | Title: Android-based ODROID handheld available for pre-order .::. Size~: 84.83 KB | Sep 29 18:40 |
tessier | schestowitz: Does OO.org save in ODF by default? | Sep 29 18:41 |
tessier | I'm not sure this means anything. It probably just adds it as one of the standards. | Sep 29 18:41 |
tessier | As long as they still accept MS Office it means nothing | Sep 29 18:41 |
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sankar | http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/open-source-software-can-save-india-2-bn/369858/ | Sep 29 19:09 |
phIRCe | Title: Open source software can save India $2 bn .::. Size~: 122.57 KB | Sep 29 19:09 |
sankar | hi roy, wanted to share the above news, bye, take care | Sep 29 19:10 |
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schestowitz | http://www.twit.tv/floss26 | Sep 29 19:28 |
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schestowitz | Hard question there on data integrity | Sep 29 19:28 |
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schestowitz | tessier: yes, ODF by default | Sep 29 19:30 |
schestowitz | I made a copy of that PDF in Vietnamese | Sep 29 19:30 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Would you trust a company who makes the shoddy software in the first place to provide the fix? http://tinyurl.com/yd493nb | Sep 29 19:32 | |
phIRCe | Title: BBC NEWS | Technology | Microsoft launches free security .::. Size~: 53.25 KB | Sep 29 19:32 |
schestowitz | Haha. "Free security" | Sep 29 19:32 |
schestowitz | What a joke | Sep 29 19:32 |
schestowitz | I sell you a car with "Free" tires | Sep 29 19:33 |
schestowitz | Drones who read the Beeb are supposed to think, "awwwwww... generous Microsoft" | Sep 29 19:34 |
ThistleWeb | schestowitz: my rss feeds are sorted now if you wanna add them | Sep 29 19:34 |
schestowitz | Cool. | Sep 29 19:34 |
schestowitz | I wonder why I read the BBC as rss. RMS rightly says that it's better to read trusted blogs | Sep 29 19:35 |
schestowitz | Even The Register has become tainted by a minority of outside interest | Sep 29 19:35 |
Renegade_ | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/crime_reporter_finds_way_of | Sep 29 19:36 |
phIRCe | Title: Crime Reporter Finds Way Of Linking Warehouse Fire To Depraved Sex Act | The Onion - America's Finest News Source .::. Size~: 23.6 KB | Sep 29 19:36 |
schestowitz | tessier: Vietnam plans to move to FOSS within years, in govt. | Sep 29 19:36 |
schestowitz | If they move to OOo, then they'll use ODF | Sep 29 19:37 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Judge delays Google books hearing - Congrats MS ;) http://tinyurl.com/ybl45qs | Sep 29 19:38 | |
phIRCe | Title: BBC NEWS | Technology | Judge delays Google books hearing .::. Size~: 53.78 KB | Sep 29 19:38 |
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schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20090928/1101596338.shtml | Sep 29 19:40 |
phIRCe | Title: There Are Numbers Less Than 1% | Techdirt .::. Size~: 40.64 KB | Sep 29 19:40 |
ThistleWeb | I like that phIRCe bot btw, very handy on mini urls to know if you've seen the page or not | Sep 29 19:42 |
schestowitz | This is good news: | Sep 29 19:45 |
schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/09/29/open-android-alliance-poses-problem-for-google | Sep 29 19:45 |
phIRCe | Title: Open Android Alliance Poses Problem For Google | WebProNews .::. Size~: 28.08 KB | Sep 29 19:45 |
schestowitz | Google took so much from FOSS to make its products | Sep 29 19:45 |
schestowitz | People should take Android to their own sandbox too | Sep 29 19:45 |
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schestowitz | http://atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/11753-the-other-face-of-barack-obama-.html | Sep 29 19:48 |
schestowitz | http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/goldman_big_defends_paid_by_aig_SUjL29fG8zn7BUSdRXIZ7H | Sep 29 19:48 |
phIRCe | Title: GOLDMAN BIG DEFENDS $12.9B PAID BY AIG .::. Size~: 65.84 KB | Sep 29 19:48 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/29/i_mate_down_and_out/ | Sep 29 19:54 |
phIRCe | Title: i-mate boss blames 'fraud' for company's demise • The Register .::. Size~: 22.26 KB | Sep 29 19:54 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/29/drone_prang_sunni_iraq/ | Sep 29 19:55 |
phIRCe | Title: US drone crashes on Sunni party offices in Iraq • The Register .::. Size~: 21.56 KB | Sep 29 19:55 |
trmanco | http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2009/09/why-distributions-shouldnt-ship-development-versions/ | Sep 29 20:00 |
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schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-10/ff_netflix | Sep 29 20:03 |
phIRCe | Title: Netflix Everywhere: Sorry Cable, You're History .::. Size~: 56.74 KB | Sep 29 20:03 |
trmanco | http://www.mgs-philanthropy.net/eng/ | Sep 29 20:04 |
phIRCe | Title: HIVE DIVISION | Metal Gear Solid Philanthropy | Official Movie Site .::. Size~: 7.23 KB | Sep 29 20:04 |
trmanco | free movie | Sep 29 20:04 |
schestowitz | There are many 'free' movies in YouTUbe | Sep 29 20:05 |
trmanco | but this is a a non profit movie | Sep 29 20:06 |
schestowitz | I post oggs from DTP in BN | Sep 29 20:06 |
schestowitz | And I looked up Hill's channel.. http://www.youtube.com/user/ROCKETBOOM#play/all | Sep 29 20:06 |
phIRCe | Title: YouTube - Canal de ROCKETBOOM .::. Size~: 103.09 KB | Sep 29 20:06 |
schestowitz | Some OK stuff there so far, but also boring and immature | Sep 29 20:06 |
schestowitz | Whoa. http://www.youtube.com/user/ROCKETBOOM#play/all | Sep 29 20:07 |
phIRCe | Title: YouTube - Canal de ROCKETBOOM .::. Size~: 102.85 KB | Sep 29 20:07 |
schestowitz | http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/499/4676/Motorcycle-Article/BUB-Racings-Chris-Carr-Breaks-Speed-Record.aspx | Sep 29 20:07 |
schestowitz | Wrong paste before that | Sep 29 20:07 |
schestowitz | Check it out | Sep 29 20:07 |
schestowitz | http://www.slate.com/id/2229194/pagenum/all | Sep 29 20:08 |
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schestowitz | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197284/Schools-bar-parents-sports-day--paedophiles.html?ITO=1490 | Sep 29 20:09 |
phIRCe | Title: Schools bar parents from sports day... to keep out paedophiles | Mail Online .::. Size~: 67.22 KB | Sep 29 20:09 |
schestowitz | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1216901/Dancing-With-The-Stars-Nerves-better-Kelly-Osbourne-delivers-disappointing-tango.html | Sep 29 20:11 |
phIRCe | Title: Dancing With The Stars: Nerves get the better of Kelly Osbourne as she delivers a disappointing tango | Mail Online .::. Size~: 76.65 KB | Sep 29 20:11 |
schestowitz | Blech | Sep 29 20:11 |
schestowitz | Warning:Daily Mail | Sep 29 20:11 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] USPTO arguing for software patents at the US Supreme Court on Bilski: http://i5.be/LQ | Sep 29 20:12 | |
schestowitz | "Curved yellow fruit": http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/?p=1540 | Sep 29 20:12 |
phIRCe | Title: Groklaw - The Government Files its Bilski Brief: Argues For "Particular Machine or Transformation of Matter" Test .::. Size~: 106.65 KB | Sep 29 20:12 |
phIRCe | Title: BLOGical Thoughts » Tuesday, 29 September, 2009 .::. Size~: 17.5 KB | Sep 29 20:12 |
trmanco | oh uh | Sep 29 20:14 |
trmanco | Fire!! | Sep 29 20:14 |
trmanco | about 2 km from here | Sep 29 20:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] USPTO says writing zeros and ones on a piece of paper equals transformation of matter: http://i5.be/LQ | Sep 29 20:15 | |
schestowitz | From heat? | Sep 29 20:15 |
phIRCe | Title: Groklaw - The Government Files its Bilski Brief: Argues For "Particular Machine or Transformation of Matter" Test .::. Size~: 106.65 KB | Sep 29 20:15 |
trmanco | don't know | Sep 29 20:15 |
trmanco | I'll go there and see | Sep 29 20:15 |
schestowitz | trmanco: prepare an external hard-drive just in case | Sep 29 20:16 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Android could get merged with OpenMono components maybe (the stuff Android kept proprietary) http://bit.ly/2NBf3a | Sep 29 20:16 | |
trmanco | it won't get close | Sep 29 20:16 |
phIRCe | Title: Irate Android devs aim to replace Google's proprietary bits - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 46.38 KB | Sep 29 20:16 |
trmanco | I'm sure | Sep 29 20:16 |
trmanco | fireman are already there | Sep 29 20:16 |
trmanco | I'll go take a look | Sep 29 20:16 |
schestowitz | Maybe they went there to cook marshmallow | Sep 29 20:16 |
trmanco | if phirce dies, that means the telephone lines got burned | Sep 29 20:16 |
trmanco | :-P | Sep 29 20:16 |
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schestowitz | Or... maybe to isolate the culprit.. and xbox.... 360!! | Sep 29 20:16 |
trmanco | I just hope it wasn't on my parents properties | Sep 29 20:17 |
trmanco | ... | Sep 29 20:17 |
trmanco | oh noes :-P | Sep 29 20:17 |
trmanco | bbl | Sep 29 20:17 |
schestowitz | Be careful. | Sep 29 20:17 |
trmanco | I will | Sep 29 20:17 |
trmanco | I just hope it's small | Sep 29 20:17 |
trmanco | ... | Sep 29 20:17 |
*schestowitz thinks firemen save women and children before telephone lines | Sep 29 20:18 | |
schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/28/indiana-prosecutor-s.html | Sep 29 20:20 |
schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10362912-92.html Yuck, NewEgg....... they shill for some bad companies | Sep 29 20:21 |
phIRCe | Title: Newegg announces IPO, plans for expansion | Business Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 100.96 KB | Sep 29 20:21 |
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schestowitz | Ahh, God..... http://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/28/here-come-the-airpor.html | Sep 29 20:29 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude, fuck off | Sep 29 20:30 |
Diablo-D3 | newegg doesnt shill for anyone | Sep 29 20:30 |
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schestowitz | You seem to love them | Sep 29 20:35 |
schestowitz | We also need phIRCe oppsed to watch language | Sep 29 20:36 |
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trmanco | oh... | Sep 29 20:37 |
trmanco | false alarm | Sep 29 20:37 |
trmanco | some idio made up a false alarm | Sep 29 20:37 |
trmanco | no fire at all | Sep 29 20:37 |
schestowitz | Gangster Group pretends that Linux only gets bought preinstalled. Unix at 40: Hanging on despite strong Linux, Windows challenges < http://infoworld.com/d/networking/unix-40-hanging-despite-strong-linux-windows-challenges-432 > | Sep 29 20:49 |
phIRCe | Title: Unix at 40: Hanging on despite strong Linux, Windows challenges | Networking - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 78.83 KB | Sep 29 20:49 |
schestowitz | trmanco: fire in his intenstines | Sep 29 20:50 |
trmanco | whose? | Sep 29 20:50 |
schestowitz | KDE4 laptops: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/09/moblin-2-arriving-via-dell-with-moblin-ubuntu-remix-netbook.ars Yummy... Air UI | Sep 29 20:54 |
phIRCe | Title: Moblin 2 arriving via Dell with Ubuntu-Moblin remix netbook - Ars Technica .::. Size~: 44.87 KB | Sep 29 20:54 |
schestowitz | trmanco: the boy who cried "wolf" | Sep 29 20:54 |
trmanco | heh | Sep 29 20:55 |
schestowitz | http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/09/29/acer-aspire-one-troubleshooting-wireless-network-problems/ | Sep 29 20:57 |
phIRCe | Title: Acer Aspire One: Troubleshooting Wireless Network Problems .::. Size~: 29.88 KB | Sep 29 20:57 |
schestowitz | Roberto uses Linux after all | Sep 29 20:57 |
schestowitz | I got the impression he was cold on the "F" in FOSS | Sep 29 20:57 |
schestowitz | SJVN does not slam Microsoft for selling "Secuirity" as a product? http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/windows/testing-out-microsoft-security-essentials/ | Sep 29 20:58 |
phIRCe | Title: Testing out Microsoft Security Essentials « Practical Technology .::. Size~: 72.91 KB | Sep 29 20:59 |
schestowitz | http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/399-pidgin-store-passwords-in-clear-text-secure-it-now | Sep 29 21:01 |
amarsh04 | it illustrates the cost of running microsoft software | Sep 29 21:01 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-09-29-009-35-SC-SW-0000 | Sep 29 21:01 |
phIRCe | Title: Linux Today - Pidgin store passwords in clear text!!!! .::. Size~: 75.31 KB | Sep 29 21:01 |
trmanco | how do you add that ascii pic next to knode? | Sep 29 21:04 |
trmanco | I saw this somewhere, but can't remember where exactly | Sep 29 21:04 |
schestowitz | x-face? | Sep 29 21:11 |
trmanco | ah right | Sep 29 21:12 |
trmanco | but where | Sep 29 21:13 |
trmanco | I can't find it | Sep 29 21:13 |
schestowitz | Dman. Kids! | Sep 29 21:14 |
schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/09/ibm_make_linux.html;jsessionid=T0VF5CJUCXWLDQE1GHRSKH4ATMY32JVN | Sep 29 21:14 |
schestowitz | They shouls stop with thosem Borat jokes | Sep 29 21:14 |
phIRCe | Title: IBM Make Linux For Benefit Glorious Nation Of Kazakhstan - Digital Life Blog - InformationWeek .::. Size~: 83.86 KB | Sep 29 21:14 |
schestowitz | The nation is not about that idiot | Sep 29 21:15 |
schestowitz | And he's not even from there, he's an imposter | Sep 29 21:15 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Face | Sep 29 21:15 |
phIRCe | Title: X-Face - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 22.87 KB | Sep 29 21:15 |
schestowitz | Links ther | Sep 29 21:15 |
schestowitz | there | Sep 29 21:15 |
trmanco | yeah found some stuff on google too | Sep 29 21:15 |
MinceR | the article starts with a disclaimer/clarification | Sep 29 21:16 |
MinceR | and Borat is funny. | Sep 29 21:17 |
schestowitz | Useful Idiot: http://samus.typepad.com/what/2009/09/why-its-called-the-codeplex-foundation.html | Sep 29 21:19 |
phIRCe | Title: What Do You Care What Other People Think?: Why It's Called the CodePlex Foundation .::. Size~: 34.28 KB | Sep 29 21:19 |
schestowitz | MinceR: the cheap "Funny" | Sep 29 21:19 |
schestowitz | I watched the film and shows | Sep 29 21:19 |
schestowitz | It's the cursing "funny" | Sep 29 21:19 |
MinceR | it isn't cursing | Sep 29 21:19 |
schestowitz | Like British standup comedians that take the piss out of people in the audience | Sep 29 21:20 |
schestowitz | That's guttr entertainment, mocking people for others' joy | Sep 29 21:20 |
schestowitz | Makes people feel like less of a failure about themselves | Sep 29 21:20 |
schestowitz | Kids do this in the kindergarten | Sep 29 21:20 |
schestowitz | The bully's inferiority complex | Sep 29 21:20 |
schestowitz | MinceR: stigmatising | Sep 29 21:20 |
schestowitz | Xenophobia | Sep 29 21:20 |
schestowitz | http://investors.redhat.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=411154 | Sep 29 21:21 |
phIRCe | Title: Red Hat, Inc. - Red Hat Reports Second Quarter Results .::. Size~: 207.9 KB | Sep 29 21:21 |
MinceR | it's called "parody" | Sep 29 21:21 |
schestowitz | Yeah. | Sep 29 21:22 |
schestowitz | People not visualise Kazakhs as Farsis like Sascha | Sep 29 21:22 |
schestowitz | People might not like to be stimatige | Sep 29 21:22 |
schestowitz | Kazakhs have some high tech in their, now old women milking goats | Sep 29 21:22 |
schestowitz | Now, now..... | Sep 29 21:22 |
schestowitz | So Baron did a parody.. | Sep 29 21:22 |
schestowitz | But.. | Sep 29 21:22 |
schestowitz | Journalists should do better | Sep 29 21:23 |
schestowitz | And quit making it seem like any news from there is a joke that's self defeating | Sep 29 21:23 |
MinceR | they shouldn't make pop culture references? | Sep 29 21:23 |
schestowitz | Just MHO | Sep 29 21:23 |
schestowitz | MinceR: not pop | Sep 29 21:23 |
schestowitz | BTW, the nation /was/ upset | Sep 29 21:23 |
schestowitz | AFIK, Pam Anderson also sued | Sep 29 21:24 |
MinceR | this isn't popular culture? | Sep 29 21:24 |
MinceR | what was Pam Anderson sued about? | Sep 29 21:24 |
schestowitz | Depends where | Sep 29 21:24 |
schestowitz | No | Sep 29 21:24 |
schestowitz | She sued | Sep 29 21:24 |
schestowitz | Spooked by the idiot. | Sep 29 21:24 |
schestowitz | Another guy sued | Sep 29 21:24 |
schestowitz | He lost his job | Sep 29 21:24 |
schestowitz | In the film he was secretly captured making a sexiwt remark | Sep 29 21:25 |
schestowitz | He thought it was for Kazakh TV | Sep 29 21:25 |
MinceR | i don't know what is more 'popular culture' than a widely shown mainstream movie. | Sep 29 21:26 |
schestowitz | The scene in the car where 'Borat' whines about being rejected and the guys consult him | Sep 29 21:26 |
MinceR | as for idiots suing for everything, that happens all the time in the usa. | Sep 29 21:26 |
schestowitz | That's why the word SUE and USA are so similar | Sep 29 21:26 |
schestowitz | And USA is like US, as in "We" | Sep 29 21:27 |
tessier | schestowitz: That's what they say and I don't believe a word of it. Nobody knows how to use FOSS there. | Sep 29 21:28 |
tessier | schestowitz: They have tens of millions of people packed into dense cities. And they can't even keep a LUG going. The cultural difference there is huge. | Sep 29 21:29 |
tessier | They have no concept of "freedom" as we know it. | Sep 29 21:29 |
MinceR | tessier: where? | Sep 29 21:29 |
schestowitz | VT | Sep 29 21:29 |
MinceR | vietnam? | Sep 29 21:30 |
tessier | Yes. | Sep 29 21:30 |
MinceR | ic | Sep 29 21:30 |
tessier | They have no "hacker culture" there. | Sep 29 21:31 |
tessier | Of the very few programmers I met there none of them knew anything but Java or PHP. | Sep 29 21:31 |
tessier | It is depressing. It was depressing to work there after a while. | Sep 29 21:32 |
tessier | After a year I was ready to go home. Not sure when I really want to visit again. | Sep 29 21:33 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/10842731 " | Sep 29 21:39 |
schestowitz | smaffulli | Sep 29 21:39 |
phIRCe | Title: Stefano Maffulli (smaffulli) 's status on Sunday, 27-Sep-09 14:27:20 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.42 KB | Sep 29 21:39 |
schestowitz | Sep 29 21:39 | |
schestowitz | @lefty the facts state that Microsoft is still a threat to free software. Convince us that there is no threat instead of picking on rms !fsf | Sep 29 21:39 |
schestowitz | He brings his anti-RMS agenda to identica now | Sep 29 21:39 |
schestowitz | Hold s* | Sep 29 21:41 |
schestowitz | "Revenue was $103 billion with net income of $12 billion. They are not a monopoly. They make money the old-fashioned way, by earning it." | Sep 29 21:41 |
schestowitz | http://pogson.6k.ca/2009/09/29/ibm/ | Sep 29 21:41 |
phIRCe | Title: IBM at Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 25.21 KB | Sep 29 21:41 |
schestowitz | Compared these margins to some others | Sep 29 21:41 |
schestowitz | Mozilla denies it will 'ribbonize' Firefox < http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2009/092909-mozilla-denies-it-will-ribbonize.html?fsrc=rss-linux-news > | Sep 29 21:43 |
phIRCe | Title: Mozilla denies it will 'ribbonize' Firefox - LinuxWorld .::. Size~: 36.45 KB | Sep 29 21:43 |
schestowitz | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/plymouth/commit/?id=920051bc55de0a70439afa70e8a7d030caf4b387 | Sep 29 21:46 |
phIRCe | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 29 21:47 |
trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/10853915 | Sep 29 21:56 |
phIRCe | Title: David "Lefty" Schlesinger (lefty) 's status on Sunday, 27-Sep-09 18:19:57 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.26 KB | Sep 29 21:56 |
trmanco | I like the way identica threads it's conversations | Sep 29 21:58 |
trmanco | better than twitter | Sep 29 21:58 |
schestowitz | My girlfriend, who is in no way interested in computers or open source, now complains about having to use Windows in university, because Ubuntu is so much easier and faster to use. I can imagine the same story is playing out all over the world. Hopefully at least :-) | Sep 29 22:03 |
schestowitz | http://shaneosullivan.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/ubuntu-good-enough-for-grannies-and-girlfriends/ | Sep 29 22:03 |
phIRCe | Title: Ubuntu good enough for grannies and girlfriends « SOS .::. Size~: 35.54 KB | Sep 29 22:03 |
schestowitz | quote from the above | Sep 29 22:03 |
schestowitz | Oh | Sep 29 22:04 |
schestowitz | Here's that symbol that does strikeout in konv again | Sep 29 22:04 |
trmanco | mdash? | Sep 29 22:04 |
trmanco | I don't know why it also strikes out the size parte | Sep 29 22:05 |
trmanco | part* | Sep 29 22:05 |
schestowitz | roy@roy:~$ whois boycott-boycottnovell.com | Sep 29 22:06 |
trmanco | yes | Sep 29 22:06 |
schestowitz | Registrant: | Sep 29 22:06 |
schestowitz | David Schlesinger | Sep 29 22:06 |
trmanco | I've seen that | Sep 29 22:06 |
schestowitz | Just ignore him | Sep 29 22:06 |
schestowitz | Waste of time | Sep 29 22:06 |
schestowitz | There's some cool Linux news today | Sep 29 22:06 |
schestowitz | I was going to call it a night, but I'll just share some news instead | Sep 29 22:07 |
zoobab | hi | Sep 29 22:07 |
schestowitz | Did you see RMS on Apple:? | Sep 29 22:07 |
schestowitz | Hi, zoobab | Sep 29 22:07 |
trmanco | yes | Sep 29 22:07 |
zoobab | live from my nokia e71 | Sep 29 22:07 |
trmanco | his apologies? | Sep 29 22:07 |
zoobab | taking a picture... | Sep 29 22:07 |
schestowitz | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/mac-osx-mistakes-and-malfeatures | Sep 29 22:07 |
schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/Stallman-apologises-for-Mac-OS-X-backdoor-claims--/news/114342 | Sep 29 22:07 |
phIRCe | Title: Mac OS X mistakes and malfeatures - Free Software Foundation .::. Size~: 28.75 KB | Sep 29 22:07 |
schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/09/apple-denied-health-care-app-for-political-reasons-developer-says/ | Sep 29 22:07 |
phIRCe | Title: Developer: Apple Denied Health Care App for Political Reasons | Epicenter | Wired.com .::. Size~: 96.39 KB | Sep 29 22:07 |
schestowitz | zoobab: nice! | Sep 29 22:08 |
schestowitz | Did you take photos from World Day*? | Sep 29 22:08 |
zoobab | nope | Sep 29 22:08 |
zoobab | we will organise something else | Sep 29 22:08 |
schestowitz | Cool! | Sep 29 22:08 |
zoobab | soon | Sep 29 22:08 |
schestowitz | It's good to show evidence (pictorial) of backlash | Sep 29 22:09 |
schestowitz | It reminds that suits that some people out there are after them | Sep 29 22:09 |
zoobab | blog about uspto | Sep 29 22:09 |
schestowitz | I did | Sep 29 22:09 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/29/patents-harm-innovation-etc/ | Sep 29 22:10 |
phIRCe | Title: Patents Roundup: Patents Harm Innovation (Again), Government Intervenes in Bilski Case and Still Hides ACTA | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 113.75 KB | Sep 29 22:10 |
schestowitz | Where can sw pats news be found? | Sep 29 22:10 |
schestowitz | I used to rely on Digital Majority almost exclusively? | Sep 29 22:10 |
schestowitz | Did you use Google News on "software patents"? | Sep 29 22:10 |
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schestowitz | http://www.zimbio.com/Laptop+Reviews/articles/BjEnB8kh_p6/Acer+Aspire+One+Linux+Netbook | Sep 29 22:11 |
phIRCe | Title: Acer Aspire One Linux Netbook - Laptop Reviews - Zimbio .::. Size~: 45.82 KB | Sep 29 22:11 |
zoobab | yes but no time to update it | Sep 29 22:11 |
cubezzz | "No known backdoor" | Sep 29 22:11 |
zoobab | i need to call on twittosphere to use the #swpat tag | Sep 29 22:12 |
cubezzz | right, you can't know for sure without seeing the code | Sep 29 22:12 |
schestowitz | http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2009/09/29/quake-live/ | Sep 29 22:12 |
zoobab | the problem is that we need quotes | Sep 29 22:12 |
phIRCe | Title: Quake Live « Terminally Incoherent .::. Size~: 45.53 KB | Sep 29 22:12 |
schestowitz | trmanco: ya still playin' it? | Sep 29 22:12 |
trmanco | no | Sep 29 22:13 |
trmanco | waste of time | Sep 29 22:13 |
schestowitz | zoobab: I'll start it w/ you #swpat | Sep 29 22:13 |
schestowitz | Moody started #inetlelctualmonopolies | Sep 29 22:13 |
schestowitz | Well, I started it | Sep 29 22:13 |
schestowitz | Not sure who started | Sep 29 22:13 |
schestowitz | But he shower some metering of it | Sep 29 22:13 |
zoobab | uploading a pic of my e71 with bn irc screenshot... | Sep 29 22:24 |
schestowitz | mibbit had a nice function for image previews in irc | Sep 29 22:25 |
zoobab | freenode has some probs with mibbit | Sep 29 22:26 |
zoobab | now they use qwebirc | Sep 29 22:26 |
zoobab | someone still need to provide a free webgw service | Sep 29 22:26 |
schestowitz | I almost installed one on the server | Sep 29 22:27 |
schestowitz | qwebirc | Sep 29 22:27 |
schestowitz | It requires python and twisted | Sep 29 22:27 |
schestowitz | Twisted is huge | Sep 29 22:27 |
schestowitz | I gave up while coipying all the files, not installing it | Sep 29 22:27 |
schestowitz | But at least it's GPLed | Sep 29 22:27 |
schestowitz | So it's possible to take it off the 'cloud' and put it locally | Sep 29 22:27 |
zoobab | yes | Sep 29 22:28 |
zoobab | but most people don't have their ow | Sep 29 22:28 |
zoobab | own server to install the shit | Sep 29 22:28 |
*phIRCe has kicked zoobab from #boycottnovell (Watch you language!) | Sep 29 22:28 | |
trmanco | oops | Sep 29 22:29 |
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trmanco | sorry | Sep 29 22:29 |
zoobab | install the software | Sep 29 22:29 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Research Explores Linux as an Operating System, Apparently http://bit.ly/34fx3V #micronux #ballmix | Sep 29 22:33 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Desktop Good for All the Family http://bit.ly/JBlhq http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/?p=1539 | Sep 29 22:34 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Starts Putting #Linux on All Motherboards? http://bit.ly/ru9dk | Sep 29 22:36 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tips for Increasing the Flow of People to Desktop #GNU #Linux http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=2049 | Sep 29 22:37 | |
phIRCe | Title: F/OSS Marketing: Attracting Users AND Contributors pleia2's blog .::. Size~: 34.54 KB | Sep 29 22:37 |
DaemonFC | had two seizures on Sunday | Sep 29 22:37 |
DaemonFC | still recovering | Sep 29 22:37 |
DaemonFC | they pushed some drugs through an IV to stop the second one | Sep 29 22:38 |
schestowitz | zoobab: yes, in my case it was maziness | Sep 29 22:38 |
schestowitz | *laziness | Sep 29 22:38 |
DaemonFC | so I may not be here much for a few more days | Sep 29 22:38 |
schestowitz | It was easier to just use what's already out there | Sep 29 22:38 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: yikes. | Sep 29 22:38 |
schestowitz | Sorry to hear that | Sep 29 22:39 |
DaemonFC | yeah, I'm going for an EEG on the 8th | Sep 29 22:39 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: seen a medical expert's office for opinion yet? | Sep 29 22:39 |
DaemonFC | :P | Sep 29 22:39 |
DaemonFC | fun times | Sep 29 22:39 |
schestowitz | You'll be fine. Just defrag your neuron | Sep 29 22:39 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz, Just the emergency room doctor | Sep 29 22:39 |
schestowitz | NOT WITH VISTA7 | Sep 29 22:39 |
schestowitz | It leaks | Sep 29 22:39 |
DaemonFC | they couldn't tell what caused it, the only thing that was even slightly out of whack was my potassium level | Sep 29 22:40 |
DaemonFC | and even that wasn't be enough to cause seizures | Sep 29 22:40 |
DaemonFC | my muscles tensed up so much during the seizure that there are bruises on my arms | Sep 29 22:41 |
DaemonFC | looks like I got my ass kicked, still can't easily move them over my head | Sep 29 22:41 |
DaemonFC | anyway, I'll be back sometime | Sep 29 22:42 |
DaemonFC | all the best | Sep 29 22:42 |
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cubezzz | schestowitz, I have a suggestion | Sep 29 22:43 |
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cubezzz | if anyone is really rude/anti-social or just being a pain | Sep 29 22:43 |
cubezzz | do a 24 hour ban | Sep 29 22:43 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Quake Live Satisfies Expectations of GNU/Linux Gamers http://bit.ly/2Aj2uh | Sep 29 22:44 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HP Upgrades #HPUX But Gives #GNU #Linux Same Functionality http://bit.ly/2jvQLo | Sep 29 22:46 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BruceByfield Shares Thoughts About #GNOME Desktop Environment 3 http://bit.ly/3n9CGQ | Sep 29 22:48 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Battle of the Light: #VectorLinux Light vs. #Zenwalk http://bit.ly/39XZ8K | Sep 29 22:50 | |
phIRCe | Title: VectorLinux Light vs. Zenwalk: Benchmarks [updated version 29 Sep 09] « TROPIC OF VECTOR .::. Size~: 45.41 KB | Sep 29 22:50 |
schestowitz | Wow. Scary... about the seizures. | Sep 29 22:50 |
schestowitz | I feel bad.. for him. | Sep 29 22:50 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: it hardly works, but it's what we do ATM | Sep 29 22:51 |
schestowitz | vcent is Mutex | Sep 29 22:51 |
schestowitz | In recent months he has been less hostile and obnoxious | Sep 29 22:51 |
cubezzz | ah ok | Sep 29 22:52 |
cubezzz | Diablo's been rather nasty of late though | Sep 29 22:52 |
cubezzz | you've been very tolerant :) | Sep 29 22:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Videos of Mark Shuttleworth's Talk at #LinuxCon Now Online http://bit.ly/2lMB2b http://techcast.com/events/linuxcon/shuttleworth/ | Sep 29 22:56 | |
phIRCe | Title: Linux Pro Magazine Live Streaming .::. Size~: 7.87 KB | Sep 29 22:56 |
masticator | this chat room is not nearly as entertaining as it was late last night | Sep 29 22:56 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Acer Aspire Sub-notebooks Run #GNU #Linux for Obvious Advantages http://bit.ly/Rnzbr | Sep 29 23:01 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Danish City Moves to #OpenOffice .org http://bit.ly/8uluh #odf | Sep 29 23:06 | |
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sebsebseb | hi | Sep 29 23:09 |
trmanco | http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Miller/ | Sep 29 23:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Mocks #Microsoft Ribbons, Calls Them Complicated http://ping.fm/s7v4m | Sep 29 23:10 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of Free/Libre #VectorGraphics Editing Software for #GNU #Linux http://ping.fm/22544 | Sep 29 23:11 | |
phIRCe | Title: 7 Best Free and Open Source Vector Graphics Editors for Linux | TECH SOURCE FROM BOHOL .::. Size~: 96.85 KB | Sep 29 23:11 |
tuxmania | hi there :D | Sep 29 23:11 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hypothetical: What if #Microsoft Tried to Survive by Embracing #Freedom http://ping.fm/izI2k | Sep 29 23:13 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] just voted "Mozilla Firefox" on "Mozilla, Opera, Safari or Internet Explorer?" vote too ➔ http://bit.ly/1kKAMy | Sep 29 23:17 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Licensing Still All About #GNU and #GPL http://ping.fm/sKBWy | Sep 29 23:21 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Movement Transcends Borders to #Art http://ping.fm/S09pT | Sep 29 23:22 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bank of America Sued for $1,784,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 http://ping.fm/bjl70 | Sep 29 23:25 | |
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schestowitz | masticator: we should rent a magician and clowns for entertainment | Sep 29 23:28 |
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schestowitz | Heck, let's apply for then VIsta7 launch party at 'home' | Sep 29 23:28 |
schestowitz | Hey, tuxmania | Sep 29 23:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship in #China Goes Up a Notch http://ping.fm/vRc19 #1984 | Sep 29 23:32 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canada Gets #ACTA / #DMCA Down the Throat http://ping.fm/gUQAI | Sep 29 23:34 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #EU Realises That #IntellectualMonopolies May be Harming Innovation http://ping.fm/Jq6bw #swpat | Sep 29 23:35 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FOSS Player Complains About #IntellectualMonopolies Favouring Proprietary Software http://ping.fm/D4jrs #swpat | Sep 29 23:37 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista and #Windows Server 2008 Under Attack, No Real Patch Available http://ping.fm/FQnDc | Sep 29 23:44 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RichardStallman Slams #Apple for Mistreating Users http://ping.fm/ZwGsl http://ping.fm/K0HuD Also retracts error | Sep 29 23:45 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux.com Says No is the Time to Ditch Office for #FreeSoftware http://ping.fm/lvsyx | Sep 29 23:47 | |
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schestowitz | Someone wonders why I still use Twitter... I used identi.ca *before* trying twitter. Now I use both in tandem. | Sep 29 23:50 |
trmanco | sextillion dollars | Sep 29 23:53 |
trmanco | that must have been the largest number I've ever heard of | Sep 29 23:53 |
schestowitz | For money maybe | Sep 29 23:56 |
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