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| oiaohm | KDE 4 prime goal is 1 source code everywhere. | Oct 07 00:08 |
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| oiaohm | KDE is one of the few desktops trying to come up to a solution to this everything on cloud issue. | Oct 07 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Whoa | Oct 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Turns out RMS went to Harvard | Oct 07 00:12 |
| schestowitz | He only studied in MIT for one year | Oct 07 00:13 |
| trmanco | what? | Oct 07 00:13 |
| oiaohm | Then lectured at MIT. | Oct 07 00:14 |
| oiaohm | Most people don't know RMS history. | Oct 07 00:14 |
| oiaohm | MIT is where RMS has been the longest. | Oct 07 00:14 |
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| mfwitten | I'm sure this has been asked before, so sorry for the repeat: Was there as much poo-pooing about Java and attempts to implement that infrastructure in open source as there is about Mono/.NET | Oct 07 00:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: you mean, "why did microsoft give novell money to try to kill java"? I dont know, microsoft is dumb that way | Oct 07 00:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | but no, no one gave a fuck when sun opened java | Oct 07 00:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | the collective response was "its about time" | Oct 07 00:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | when microsoft had consensual mansex with novell? "eww, do not want" | Oct 07 00:38 |
| oiaohm | mfwitten: Difference with Java is that everyone knows where they legally stand on it. | Oct 07 00:42 |
| oiaohm | mfwitten: always has. | Oct 07 00:42 |
| mfwitten | Diablo-D3: No. That's not what I meant. | Oct 07 00:42 |
| mfwitten | oiaohm: ah. | Oct 07 00:43 |
| mfwitten | oiaohm: So things like the open source class path and java compiler etc. were KNOWN to be OK | Oct 07 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Even when gcj was reimplementing java sun said they would not use any patents against open source. | Oct 07 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Sun even expected others to reimplement the jvm. | Oct 07 00:44 |
| mfwitten | oiaohm: So it was kind of a .... CP? | Oct 07 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Broader mfwitten | Oct 07 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Sun gives a generic protection not to attack open source. | Oct 07 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Since open source is to its advantage. | Oct 07 00:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: basically, I hate microsoft for cocking this up so badly | Oct 07 00:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | sun largely did a similar thing | Oct 07 00:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | yet, IM USING JAVA | Oct 07 00:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM | Oct 07 00:45 |
| mfwitten | HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM INdeeed | Oct 07 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Sun kept there core JVM closed. | Oct 07 00:45 |
| mfwitten | right | Oct 07 00:45 |
| oiaohm | But IBM and others implemented JVM's with Sun blessing. | Oct 07 00:45 |
| oiaohm | No legal risks. | Oct 07 00:45 |
| oiaohm | The issue with mono is lack of clear blessing. | Oct 07 00:46 |
| mfwitten | The best argument I see against Mono is that Microsoft only said it would only apply its CP to the ECMA standards, and yet mono is implementing much more than that | Oct 07 00:46 |
| oiaohm | There are techinal ones as well mfwitten | Oct 07 00:47 |
| mfwitten | So what would happen if you got a very clear blessing? Would the campaign against Mono stop? | Oct 07 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Lot would disappear with a clear blessing. | Oct 07 00:47 |
| oiaohm | The techinal ones that a jvm/aot engines mono uses don't work that effectively with OS memory management don't go away. | Oct 07 00:47 |
| mfwitten | oiaohm: Is there a compiled list of clear problems (something objective) | Oct 07 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Most are generical to JIT engines mfwitten | Oct 07 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Type of memory allocated mfwitten. In a standard native binary its maped to memory. So if that memory space is need it don't have to be sent to swap space. | Oct 07 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Where with likes of .net due to lot of stuff done on fly in cases of high memory load only option is to push items to swap. | Oct 07 00:50 |
| oiaohm | That does have a major performance price at high load mfwitten | Oct 07 00:50 |
| mfwitten | So, specifically, these are technical qualms you're listing in the sense that you think that, say, Java is a better tool. | Oct 07 00:51 |
| oiaohm | No as a desktop Java was a failure as well mfwitten | Oct 07 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Mono developers have learnt nothing from history. | Oct 07 00:52 |
| mfwitten | Oh. So this is general JIT problems you mean (as you said) | Oct 07 00:52 |
| mfwitten | In other words, you're saying something like Qt will produce better performing apps every time | Oct 07 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Complier is a factor. | Oct 07 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Only reason JIT and AOT of .net wins at times is major complier problems. | Oct 07 00:53 |
| mfwitten | Problems with Java's compiler you mean? | Oct 07 00:54 |
| oiaohm | C and C++ compliers gcc in particular. | Oct 07 00:54 |
| mfwitten | ok | Oct 07 00:54 |
| oiaohm | QT links up with KDE and provides a far large framework to get stuff done than .net | Oct 07 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Even java. | Oct 07 00:55 |
| mfwitten | However, aren't the JIT/AOT problems solvable in time just as the C/C++ compiler problems can be solved eventually? | Oct 07 00:55 |
| oiaohm | JIT problem cannot be solved mfwitten | Oct 07 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Its a non fixable design flaw. | Oct 07 00:56 |
| mfwitten | oiaohm: Oh | Oct 07 00:56 |
| mfwitten | That's been proved? | Oct 07 00:56 |
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| oiaohm | Yes it has mfwitten | Oct 07 00:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | you do know neil was on sg-1, right/ | Oct 07 00:56 |
| mfwitten | oiaohm: Interesting! | Oct 07 00:56 |
| schestowitz | Nope. | Oct 07 00:57 |
| schestowitz | I've just run out of Sagan stuff | Oct 07 00:57 |
| mfwitten | oiaohm: Well, that's enough for me not to want to use it | Oct 07 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Nice story there about him and Tyson | Oct 07 00:57 |
| oiaohm | AOT can avoid the flaw but then you end up with native build exes that don't improve performance at run time. | Oct 07 00:57 |
| mfwitten | ah | Oct 07 00:57 |
| mfwitten | So, for long-running programs, isn't the JIT/AOT design better? | Oct 07 00:57 |
| oiaohm | So you have to build a complier that works to use AOT anyhow. | Oct 07 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Ie AOT is basically just a normally complier. | Oct 07 00:58 |
| mfwitten | oiaohm: Isn't that an aim of LLVM?9$ | Oct 07 00:58 |
| mfwitten | Oh I misunderstood, oiaohm | Oct 07 00:58 |
| mfwitten | You're saying that the JIT/AOT guys have chosen longterm runtime improvement over immediate memory performance | Oct 07 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Oct 07 00:59 |
| oiaohm | JIT performance over runtime is a bug. | Oct 07 01:00 |
| oiaohm | Lot of current day compliers cannot profile there code well. | Oct 07 01:00 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 07 01:00 |
| oiaohm | With native programs you can get the longterm runtime improvement just by profiling. | Oct 07 01:00 |
| trmanco | see google's logo | Oct 07 01:00 |
| trmanco | bar code :| | Oct 07 01:00 |
| mfwitten | So LLVM should bring those performance gains to, say, C/C++? | Oct 07 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Difference is native program remembers. | Oct 07 01:01 |
| oiaohm | So you don't start off from scratch just because you had to restart program. | Oct 07 01:01 |
| mfwitten | right | Oct 07 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Basically JIT is nothing more than a hack. | Oct 07 01:01 |
| mfwitten | Couldn't they just build in that kind of memory into JIT designs? | Oct 07 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Around complier issues that should be fixed. | Oct 07 01:02 |
| mfwitten | After running each time, the profile "database" is updated? | Oct 07 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Then why not just do it to native code mfwitten | Oct 07 01:02 |
| mfwitten | oiaohm: Wait a minute, then. You're saying that the java compiler should produce better code and not require JIT optimization? | Oct 07 01:03 |
| oiaohm | java complier should have two halfs. | Oct 07 01:03 |
| oiaohm | One that produces the native code. | Oct 07 01:03 |
| mfwitten | oiaohm: Well, I think people like Java/.NET tools/languages better than C/C++ | Oct 07 01:03 |
| oiaohm | another that montiors the native code to see how it can be improved. | Oct 07 01:03 |
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| trmanco | gn | Oct 07 01:04 |
| oiaohm | and once the code it optmised inside a inch of it live the montor can be shutdown. | Oct 07 01:04 |
| oiaohm | So not having long term performance cost mfwitten | Oct 07 01:04 |
| oiaohm | Same can be applied to C or C++ | Oct 07 01:04 |
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| mfwitten | oiaohm: So... LLVM's architecture (from what I know) | Oct 07 01:05 |
| oiaohm | LLVM is only the start. | Oct 07 01:05 |
| mfwitten | oiaohm: Of course, this requires running the program as part of the build, right? (Kind of like firefox's PGO) | Oct 07 01:05 |
| oiaohm | perf that is being used on Linux kernel. Monitors way linux kernel is running. | Oct 07 01:05 |
| oiaohm | So allowing bad sections of code to be corrected. | Oct 07 01:05 |
| oiaohm | Basically a optimiser of binaries. | Oct 07 01:05 |
| mfwitten | Corrected at runtime? | Oct 07 01:06 |
| oiaohm | Is required. | Oct 07 01:06 |
| mfwitten | How is that information changed? The binary is updated? | Oct 07 01:06 |
| oiaohm | ksplice is a good example. | Oct 07 01:06 |
| oiaohm | You can change native code programs in memory. | Oct 07 01:06 |
| mfwitten | Well... That's just JIT optimization, essentially. You want to make those optimizations permanent, right? | Oct 07 01:06 |
| oiaohm | JIT depends on bytecode. | Oct 07 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Different to native. | Oct 07 01:07 |
| mfwitten | meh. x86, for instance, IS bytecode | Oct 07 01:07 |
| oiaohm | There is no real need for this. | Oct 07 01:07 |
| oiaohm | .net and java basically carry around a lot of garbage. | Oct 07 01:07 |
| mfwitten | "Extended" RTTI, you mean? | Oct 07 01:08 |
| mfwitten | oiaohm: Or are you still talking about unoptimized code? | Oct 07 01:09 |
| oiaohm | The way of optimising. | Oct 07 01:09 |
| oiaohm | RTTI is a upper struct that cpu level does not have to care about neither does the complier really other than for exported between parts. | Oct 07 01:10 |
| mfwitten | upper struct? exported between parts? | Oct 07 01:10 |
| mfwitten | Upper part of a struct, you mean? | Oct 07 01:10 |
| oiaohm | Ie between application and libs. | Oct 07 01:11 |
| oiaohm | When you get down to optimised for cpu as long as the code does what is wanted you can complete disreguard the RTTI information. | Oct 07 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Its called compliers solving out. | Oct 07 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Currently gcc cannot do that effectively either due to lacking link time optmiser. | Oct 07 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Yet sun JIT can solve RTTI structs out. | Oct 07 01:12 |
| mfwitten | Indeed. However, runtime information can be quite useful when loading and analysing "assemblies" as I've recently seen in C# | Oct 07 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Assisting decomplers really not a feature for end users. | Oct 07 01:13 |
| mfwitten | Maybe so. | Oct 07 01:14 |
| mfwitten | I suppose the same could be achieved with, say, DWARF info | Oct 07 01:14 |
| oiaohm | Less because solve out dumps what is not required. | Oct 07 01:15 |
| oiaohm | Current gcc DWARF data is also over sized. | Oct 07 01:15 |
| mfwitten | Well, WTF have people let gcc languish? Why do so many like Java/C#? Why don't free, native-compiled languages provide some of the features that people so like? | Oct 07 01:15 |
| oiaohm | You just woke up mfwitten | Oct 07 01:16 |
| mfwitten | This C++*1*x, for instance, should have been done a decade ago. | Oct 07 01:16 |
| mfwitten | :-D Maybe | Oct 07 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Java and .net have pulled the focus of people off gcc so its not being got working right. | Oct 07 01:16 |
| oiaohm | The focus is in the wrong place. | Oct 07 01:17 |
| mfwitten | Is LLVM the answer? | Oct 07 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Not alone mfwitten | Oct 07 01:17 |
| oiaohm | LLVM is part of the problem as well. | Oct 07 01:18 |
| mfwitten | Are there people that are working on the other parts? or is this just `oiaohm' bantering in #boycottnovell? | Oct 07 01:18 |
| oiaohm | instead of addressing gcc problems lets just start something new. | Oct 07 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Biggest thing is Intel and a few other commerical complier builders have sent there teams in places. | Oct 07 01:19 |
| oiaohm | To sort out issues. | Oct 07 01:19 |
| oiaohm | The work is under way mfwitten | Oct 07 01:19 |
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| oiaohm | Just would be a lot faster if items like mono was not sucking resources away. | Oct 07 01:19 |
| mfwitten | Well, I don't think it will get done in time. It's too late. | Oct 07 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Not too late. | Oct 07 01:21 |
| mfwitten | By the time things get going strong, .NET/Java will already be fixed, and .NET will always be more advanced that Java (more advanced in terms of users, in particular) | Oct 07 01:21 |
| oiaohm | That is wrong. | Oct 07 01:21 |
| mfwitten | Maybe it is, but it FEELs like we're on the losing end of a long and bloody war | Oct 07 01:21 |
| oiaohm | People said the same thing about VB. | Oct 07 01:22 |
| mfwitten | really? | Oct 07 01:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes really. | Oct 07 01:22 |
| oiaohm | Native out lasts. | Oct 07 01:22 |
| mfwitten | Maybe that's why MS includes VB in all its docs: They just want to spite everyone. | Oct 07 01:22 |
| oiaohm | VB got replaced by C# more and more. | Oct 07 01:22 |
| oiaohm | ,Net is just a tred mill going no where. | Oct 07 01:23 |
| oiaohm | In time they change the language again to try to cover up the error in design. | Oct 07 01:23 |
| mfwitten | What's the language have to do with it really? | Oct 07 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel will be adding a lot of perfomance tracing gear in the next 12 months for native programs. | Oct 07 01:24 |
| oiaohm | What you need as a base to do equal optmisations on native code. | Oct 07 01:25 |
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| mfwitten | You wait: .Net will include "Persistence of Optimization Technology Home Edition" | Oct 07 01:25 |
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| oiaohm | Does not matter mfwitten | Oct 07 01:25 |
| oiaohm | gnote vs tomboy. | Oct 07 01:25 |
| oiaohm | gnote native is faster and lighter. | Oct 07 01:26 |
| oiaohm | And it don't have the optimisation assistance yet. | Oct 07 01:26 |
| oiaohm | .Net is not a magical solution. | Oct 07 01:26 |
| mfwitten | Fine fine. I can appreciate saving cycles---people make fun of me for it. However, what about the fact that people find Java/C# more productive? | Oct 07 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | tomboy doesnt evne work right, btw | Oct 07 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: I dont have to write shit that already exists | Oct 07 01:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | basically everything ever has already been written in java | Oct 07 01:27 |
| oiaohm | Compare to qt .net is not more productive. | Oct 07 01:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only other language that has this is perl | Oct 07 01:27 |
| oiaohm | You don't have the support frameworks to do a lot of stuff mfwitten | Oct 07 01:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | although I love perl, it isnt perfect | Oct 07 01:27 |
| mfwitten | Diablo-D3: Your attitude is impossible to place. | Oct 07 01:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: you asked a question, I answered it | Oct 07 01:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | having functional frameworks to do nearly everything interesting is the most productive features you can name | Oct 07 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Also remember there is vala as well. | Oct 07 01:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: vala is an iffy concept | Oct 07 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Vala is basically C# done in native no .net require | Oct 07 01:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | it strips away everything that made java good and what .net tried to rip off | Oct 07 01:28 |
| mfwitten | Diablo-D3: I agree. So would you be saying that C/C++ would be just as productive if only the libraries existed? | Oct 07 01:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: its one of many reasons, but its one of the largest, yes | Oct 07 01:28 |
| oiaohm | The libs exist for C and C++ | Oct 07 01:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: the problem is, many of those features are built into the language as well | Oct 07 01:29 |
| oiaohm | Its more the development envorment. | Oct 07 01:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: like, I should _never ever have to write malloc and free again_ | Oct 07 01:29 |
| mfwitten | Indeed. But people fsck up the memory and write exploitable code, etc. | Oct 07 01:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: I've used C for 15 years, perl for 5, java for almost 1 | Oct 07 01:29 |
| oiaohm | Even if you take alloc and free away people still have object leaks. | Oct 07 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | I never want to touch, see, or even acknowledge C exists ever again | Oct 07 01:30 |
| mfwitten | Is Vala a general purpose language? | Oct 07 01:30 |
| mfwitten | Diablo-D3: You're clearly not in the game of writing efficient software. | Oct 07 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: having a sane memory management system, having array safetying stuff, not having access to actual memory addresses, this is all important | Oct 07 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: oh, but I am | Oct 07 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is why I chose java | Oct 07 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | its hard to beat java | Oct 07 01:31 |
| oiaohm | http://live.gnome.org/Vala Yes mfwitten | Oct 07 01:31 |
| cubezzz | I don't see many commercial games being written in java | Oct 07 01:31 |
| cubezzz | you obviously can't use it for everything | Oct 07 01:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: I dont see many commercial games being efficient either | Oct 07 01:31 |
| mfwitten | oiaohm: That's largely an algorithm problem (gc) | Oct 07 01:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | and yes, I can, infact, use it for games | Oct 07 01:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | it works great for games | Oct 07 01:31 |
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| Diablo-D3 | its a shitload better than c++ | Oct 07 01:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | I've actually been using java for a little bit of game development, its nearly perfect ofr it | Oct 07 01:31 |
| cubezzz | everything Loki and LGP did was C or C++ | Oct 07 01:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | unlike C, java can optimize code further during runtime based on usage patterns | Oct 07 01:32 |
| mfwitten | Diablo-D3: In fairness, the Java game libs have the most computationally intensive stuff written C or C++ | Oct 07 01:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: uh, they didnt write games, they ported them | Oct 07 01:32 |
| cubezzz | well that's true, ported yes | Oct 07 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: optimise at runtime can be done with C. | Oct 07 01:32 |
| cubezzz | still a lot of work | Oct 07 01:32 |
| mfwitten | Diablo-D3: oiaohm and I have been talking about JIT optimization for a long time. ENough of that | Oct 07 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: that is a tools feature. | Oct 07 01:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: thats their choice... however, games should not be doing computationally intensive things on the cpu | Oct 07 01:33 |
| oiaohm | Gcc tools sux. | Oct 07 01:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is why most game engines are epic failures | Oct 07 01:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | very few leverage the gpu well | Oct 07 01:33 |
| mfwitten | Diablo-D3: Well, when you can run general logic on a GPU, let me know | Oct 07 01:33 |
| oiaohm | You can mfwitten | Oct 07 01:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: I've been doing that for about 2 years. | Oct 07 01:33 |
| oiaohm | Quite well mfwitten | Oct 07 01:33 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, what about Kernel hacking? | Oct 07 01:33 |
| oiaohm | opencl makes it fairly simple. | Oct 07 01:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: thats about the only place C is still legitimate | Oct 07 01:34 |
| oiaohm | I guess Diablo-D3 does not like that either. | Oct 07 01:34 |
| cubezzz | all the chess engines... | Oct 07 01:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: although kernels would probably benefit from being more lisp-like than anything | Oct 07 01:34 |
| cubezzz | no java chess engine :) | Oct 07 01:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually there is a chess engine | Oct 07 01:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | ibm has one | Oct 07 01:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | they used java because nothing else was really suited for development on one of their large clusters | Oct 07 01:35 |
| cubezzz | ok, of course it's possible, I haven't heard of that one | Oct 07 01:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: I think you have | Oct 07 01:35 |
| cubezzz | hmm? | Oct 07 01:35 |
| oiaohm | At the time Diablo-D3 | Oct 07 01:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: Deep Blue. | Oct 07 01:35 |
| oiaohm | That is the other thing Diablo-D3 time is changes. | Oct 07 01:35 |
| cubezzz | I had no idea, interesting | Oct 07 01:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | a lot of people believe it was written in C | Oct 07 01:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | it wasnt | Oct 07 01:36 |
| mfwitten | oiaohm: Not every computation maps nicely to a GPU model | Oct 07 01:36 |
| mfwitten | oiaohm: That's my point | Oct 07 01:36 |
| oiaohm | Games all does mfwitten | Oct 07 01:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think a later version may have had significant C code to deal with some of the problems in early ibm java impls | Oct 07 01:37 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, if Java is so good why don't more people use it? | Oct 07 01:37 |
| oiaohm | Antivirus scanning about 95 percent mfwitten | Oct 07 01:37 |
| mfwitten | oiaohm: Maybe so. | Oct 07 01:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: uh, its the most popular language in existence | Oct 07 01:37 |
| oiaohm | Sorry C is Diablo-D3 | Oct 07 01:38 |
| oiaohm | Still. | Oct 07 01:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | java, currently, has the most programmers currently coding it and the most lines currently being coded | Oct 07 01:38 |
| oiaohm | No C | Oct 07 01:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | C is only historically more popular, oiaohm | Oct 07 01:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | you have to say all coders ever and all lines ever | Oct 07 01:38 |
| oiaohm | Even from modern. | Oct 07 01:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | then C is #1, java is #2 | Oct 07 01:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | and C is also three times the age of java | Oct 07 01:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | java caught up to the #2 spot of all time in 1/3rd the time. | Oct 07 01:39 |
| oiaohm | C then C++ because of MS frameworks then Java | Oct 07 01:39 |
| mfwitten | Doesn't that say something good about C? | Oct 07 01:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: nope | Oct 07 01:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: code for windows hardly even factors in | Oct 07 01:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: nope | Oct 07 01:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: it just says it was the most useful language until java took hold | Oct 07 01:39 |
| cubezzz | I | Oct 07 01:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: I mean, dont get me wrong, I used C for 15 years | Oct 07 01:39 |
| oiaohm | C is usefel for a lot of tasks. | Oct 07 01:39 |
| oiaohm | That java does not fit. | Oct 07 01:40 |
| cubezzz | A lot of people seem to hate Java applets for some reason, not me personally though | Oct 07 01:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: writing anything large, complex, layered, and otherwise huge, C isnt the right language | Oct 07 01:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: I do | Oct 07 01:40 |
| mfwitten | I don't know. An empty array in the JVM was 16 bytes last I checked. | Oct 07 01:40 |
| cubezzz | you don't like java applets? | Oct 07 01:40 |
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| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: yes because java arrays are not C arrays | Oct 07 01:41 |
| mfwitten | Exactly | Oct 07 01:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: it is very easy to write bad code in C | Oct 07 01:41 |
| mfwitten | It's nice to be able to force optimizations | Oct 07 01:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | pointers, malloc/free, bad math involving either, simply not checking results, etc | Oct 07 01:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: nope, it never is | Oct 07 01:41 |
| mfwitten | Diablo-D3: I think it's easy to write really noodly, incomprehensible object hierarchies in Java | Oct 07 01:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: not really | Oct 07 01:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | its very hard because you have to be rather stoned at the time | Oct 07 01:42 |
| cubezzz | Java FSM :) | Oct 07 01:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | no useful language will stop you from shooting yourself in the foot | Oct 07 01:42 |
| mfwitten | Diablo-D3: The git guys spend a shit load of time discussing the inlining of memcpy and other things. That's why git is so fucking fast | Oct 07 01:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | however, any useful language should loudly bitch when you do it | Oct 07 01:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: git... is fast? | Oct 07 01:42 |
| mfwitten | The java version is at best 1/2 the speed | Oct 07 01:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, I like git, but wtf? | Oct 07 01:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Climbs Fast in Mobile, Microsoft ‘Screws’ Badly with Windows Mobile 6.5 http://ping.fm/JDqM2 | Oct 07 01:44 | |
| cubezzz | C is good for porting, I'm always seeing it | Oct 07 01:45 |
| cubezzz | all the gnu stuff which I looked at recently too | Oct 07 01:46 |
| mfwitten | Diablo-D3: C++ at least allows enough abstraction to hide the unsafe stuff. | Oct 07 01:46 |
| mfwitten | So why not go with it? | Oct 07 01:47 |
| mfwitten | I tihnk you'd say the libraries | Oct 07 01:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | because I find the syntax disgusting | Oct 07 01:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | of the languages I absolutely hate, its at the top | Oct 07 01:48 |
| mfwitten | meh | Oct 07 01:48 |
| mfwitten | Java has only a few differences. | Oct 07 01:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you believe that, you need to learn java | Oct 07 01:48 |
| mfwitten | I know Java. Quite well | Oct 07 01:48 |
| mfwitten | (or at least I did at one point) | Oct 07 01:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | you seem to have forgotten | Oct 07 01:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | or havent used it for awhile | Oct 07 01:49 |
| cubezzz | ok, let's say you had to crunch some numbers, integer math | Oct 07 01:50 |
| cubezzz | what would you use? | Oct 07 01:50 |
| mfwitten | Fortran | Oct 07 01:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: that question is invalid | Oct 07 01:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt state what the problem is | Oct 07 01:50 |
| cubezzz | number of positions in subgroups of rubik's cube say | Oct 07 01:51 |
| cubezzz | that's a big space | Oct 07 01:51 |
| mfwitten | Diablo-D3: I think you like Java because it makes building huge object hierarchies a consistent task across programmers. However, I've seen a lot of inscrutable Java hierarchies. | Oct 07 01:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: probably java | Oct 07 01:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: or actually, opencl | Oct 07 01:52 |
| mfwitten | Diablo-D3: Java wastes a lot of space. | Oct 07 01:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | java wastes very little | Oct 07 01:52 |
| mfwitten | Diablo-D3: In a computation with lots of data structures, it would probably be too much | Oct 07 01:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | mfwitten: not at all | Oct 07 01:52 |
| cubezzz | There are java rubik type programs, but I don't know of any number crunching ones | Oct 07 01:52 |
| mfwitten | cubezzz: Well, that really says more about Java programmers than Java. However, Sun's Fortress language (is that the name?) is an indication that Java is not good for number-crunching | Oct 07 01:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | like I said, if its something that would benefit from massive parallelism, using cpus is wrong to begin with | Oct 07 01:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | which, thankfully, most of the industry is now coming towards this realization | Oct 07 01:54 |
| cubezzz | Now I'm curious, I'll ask around | Oct 07 01:54 |
| mfwitten | cubezzz: About what? | Oct 07 01:55 |
| cubezzz | programming for projects using a lot of parallelism, and what langugages are used | Oct 07 01:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | well | Oct 07 01:56 |
| mfwitten | cubezzz: There are languages devoted to that domain | Oct 07 01:56 |
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| cubezzz | the chess stuff that I saw, old stuff like Cray Blitz, that was C | Oct 07 01:57 |
| cubezzz | crafty is also C | Oct 07 01:57 |
| cubezzz | Hyatt's work, I'll ask him, not why :) | Oct 07 01:58 |
| cubezzz | why not even | Oct 07 01:58 |
| cubezzz | at least I think it was C, not 100% sure, crafty was C | Oct 07 01:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | afk | Oct 07 02:00 |
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| cubezzz | sorry, Fortran for Cray Blitz | Oct 07 02:00 |
| cubezzz | around the early 1980's for Cray Blitz | Oct 07 02:01 |
| mfwitten | So.... What have we concluded here? | Oct 07 02:05 |
| cubezzz | ummm :) | Oct 07 02:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Not a word about how it's been received, typical BBC / MS splog http://tinyurl.com/yd2n3u8 | Oct 07 02:07 | |
| cubezzz | well, I can certainly remember that Fortran was used a lot in the past | Oct 07 02:07 |
| cubezzz | making things are moving towards Java, Diablo-D3 seems to think so | Oct 07 02:07 |
| cubezzz | all I can say is I see C and C++ everywhere | Oct 07 02:07 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[d235j] RT @mashable: Facebook Testing Yet Another Homepage Redesign - http://bit.ly/21aYO0 — boo, Facebook! How many redesigns do we need??? | Oct 07 02:08 | |
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| moshe_ | hey Roy | Oct 07 02:08 |
| cubezzz | making=maybe | Oct 07 02:08 |
| mfwitten | I think things are moving toward: Java in the backend and C# in the front end | Oct 07 02:09 |
| mfwitten | For a lot of COMPANIES | Oct 07 02:09 |
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| moshe_ | what distro is the best for up to date eye candy and multimedia? | Oct 07 02:09 |
| Ruidobranco | Hi There Mr. Schestowicz | Oct 07 02:09 |
| mfwitten | For desktop programmers, C# in proprietary land | Oct 07 02:09 |
| mfwitten | Elsewhere, C/C++/Python | Oct 07 02:09 |
| moshe_ | I have an interested friend | Oct 07 02:09 |
| cubezzz | mfwitten, what about Linux-land? | Oct 07 02:10 |
| mfwitten | cubezzz: That's "Elsewhere" | Oct 07 02:10 |
| Ruidobranco | Well, i saw some photos of the window$ phone... | Oct 07 02:10 |
| Ruidobranco | Schestowitz i mean | Oct 07 02:10 |
| Ruidobranco | And, a disturbing thought raised... | Oct 07 02:11 |
| Ruidobranco | What if it's a Linux below that gui ??? | Oct 07 02:11 |
| moshe_ | anyone? good opportunity for advocacy.. I really don't know what to tell this guy | Oct 07 02:11 |
| Ruidobranco | You see, after the Moblin deals, and deals with LG and Samsung... | Oct 07 02:12 |
| Ruidobranco | Could this happen ??? | Oct 07 02:12 |
| moshe_ | The Verizon deal is a huge win for Linux | Oct 07 02:12 |
| moshe_ | their phones are terribly stodgy | Oct 07 02:12 |
| moshe_ | the service is great though | Oct 07 02:12 |
| cubezzz | Stallman says "don't use cell phones" :) | Oct 07 02:13 |
| Ruidobranco | He's right | Oct 07 02:13 |
| Ruidobranco | Cell phones never give good news | Oct 07 02:13 |
| moshe_ | I do agree...too much radiation IMHO...but..you know... | Oct 07 02:13 |
| mfwitten | moshe_: Ubuntu probably | Oct 07 02:13 |
| moshe_ | thanks | Oct 07 02:13 |
| moshe_ | that's what people are telling me | Oct 07 02:13 |
| Ruidobranco | It's always: Someone died, your wife is sick, your dog is stranded... | Oct 07 02:14 |
| mfwitten | moshe_: Well... that's just the most supported for "newbs" :-) | Oct 07 02:14 |
| moshe_ | that's important..this guy is total noob | Oct 07 02:14 |
| cubezzz | and Morpheus could call too | Oct 07 02:14 |
| mfwitten | moshe_: My first GNU/Linux experience was with Gentoo. That's what I personally advise for noobs (no joke) | Oct 07 02:15 |
| Ruidobranco | Gentoo... O.o ... | Oct 07 02:15 |
| moshe_ | Yikes!!! I've done a gentoo quasi stage 2 install, compiled some stuff but not other stuff | Oct 07 02:15 |
| mfwitten | However, Arch Linux is my preferred distro for sure now | Oct 07 02:15 |
| mfwitten | (at least on x86) | Oct 07 02:15 |
| moshe_ | what about Mandriva? | Oct 07 02:15 |
| mfwitten | I've never used Mandrivea | Oct 07 02:16 |
| moshe_ | ok | Oct 07 02:16 |
| Ruidobranco | When it was only Conectiva, it was damn good... | Oct 07 02:16 |
| moshe_ | i go back to Mandrake but not before that | Oct 07 02:16 |
| mfwitten | Anyway, I'll be afk for a bit. | Oct 07 02:17 |
| cubezzz | you can certainly live without a cell phone | Oct 07 02:17 |
| cubezzz | I don't bother with them myself | Oct 07 02:17 |
| Ruidobranco | Yep | Oct 07 02:18 |
| moshe_ | tough these days though...I use a BT ear piece or in the car the BT setup. Better, but still radiation | Oct 07 02:18 |
| cubezzz | I'm always online | Oct 07 02:18 |
| cubezzz | Inspector Gadget is always on duty :) | Oct 07 02:19 |
| cubezzz | not to mention my land line is 6 inches away | Oct 07 02:19 |
| moshe_ | yea but you are not typical...many people are ditching their landlines | Oct 07 02:20 |
| cubezzz | yeah I see microwave towers all over the place | Oct 07 02:21 |
| Ruidobranco | Well, in Tweeter, the window$ phone made some waves... | Oct 07 02:21 |
| moshe_ | My town had a huge rally to protest a Verizon tower... We won... | Oct 07 02:22 |
| cubezzz | well, there's been cases where a homeless guy got cooked | Oct 07 02:23 |
| cubezzz | you get close enough to the transmitter... | Oct 07 02:23 |
| Ruidobranco | Well gentlemen, i am calling this a night | Oct 07 02:24 |
| Ruidobranco | It was my privilege to be with you | Oct 07 02:24 |
| Ruidobranco | Good night to all | Oct 07 02:24 |
| Ruidobranco | Bye | Oct 07 02:24 |
| cubezzz | later | Oct 07 02:24 |
| moshe_ | Gn all..thanks for the advice!!!! | Oct 07 02:24 |
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| Diablo-D3 | fffffffffff | Oct 07 02:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just installed crafty | Oct 07 02:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | holy shit have I gotten bad at chess | Oct 07 02:33 |
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| cubezzz | crafty can be tough | Oct 07 02:35 |
| yuhong | On http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/14/microsoft-thuggery-running-away/, do you know what news was buried in the news of MS's Hyper-V code contribution? | Oct 07 02:36 |
| yuhong | http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/20/425 | Oct 07 02:36 |
| yuhong | Posted only hours after the code contribution, but received almost no coverage. | Oct 07 02:37 |
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| ackillies | hi | Oct 07 03:29 |
| cubezzz | hello | Oct 07 03:31 |
| ackillies | whats up | Oct 07 03:32 |
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| ackillies | good to see some canadians | Oct 07 03:41 |
| ackillies | :) | Oct 07 03:41 |
| gmzlj | :D | Oct 07 03:42 |
| ackillies | im from mississauga/brampton | Oct 07 03:45 |
| gmzlj | waterloo | Oct 07 03:48 |
| ackillies | cool | Oct 07 03:49 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] going for gnu/linux tot workshop for DIET teachers. | Oct 07 05:36 | |
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| Guest87993 | heh http://www.google.com.au/logos/barcode09.gif scans as Google | Oct 07 05:48 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Was feeling better, woke up with sore throat. Job ints yesterday, today and tomorrow. GO GO GO GO GO GADGET braaaaaaaiiiinnnnsssssss | Oct 07 07:57 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/tortreform | Oct 07 08:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/07/eolas_browser_microsoft/ | Oct 07 08:10 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Not recieved any google wave invite yet. some sent, but seems to be lost in the way | Oct 07 08:27 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hmm, £217 for the Amazon kindle. That's shipped from Amazon.com in the USA.. | Oct 07 08:36 | |
| fewa | *Swindle | Oct 07 08:37 |
| schestowitz | Linux used for bad purposes | Oct 07 08:38 |
| fewa | The spirit of GPL violated | Oct 07 08:38 |
| fewa | GPL2 | Oct 07 08:38 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @petapixel 10 incredibly ironic photographs: http://j.mp/KWRg3 (the "No Soliciting" one is the winner) | Oct 07 08:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSFE Wants the #European Commission to Stop Microsoft’s #Racketeering http://ping.fm/onyLm | Oct 07 09:05 | |
| schestowitz | fewa: yeah, but just the spirit | Oct 07 09:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] My skirt and stockings are way manly, so this never happens to me http://is.gd/42djX (HT @boctweet) | Oct 07 09:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Banks Laugh All the Way to the #Microsoft http://ping.fm/ajfyM | Oct 07 09:27 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Best Windows 7 review ever http://is.gd/42fam HT @AnthonySteele | Oct 07 09:30 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Microsoft has a long and venerable history of videos to make you lobotomise yourself with a coathanger. Cyber Sitcom: http://is.gd/42g5s | Oct 07 09:41 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] How to accidentally throw a furry orgy using Craigslist http://is.gd/42hHG | Oct 07 09:51 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RichardStallman Explains Why Not #SUSE http://ping.fm/LdRRE #fsf !fsf !gnu #novell | Oct 07 09:53 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] interesting - RT @AnthonySteele Thoughts on Silverlight from a flash guy: http://bit.ly/9tFo4 | Oct 07 09:55 | |
| schestowitz | New Advertising Strategy For Newspapers? They Make Great Umbrellas < http://techdirt.com/articles/20091005/0152416419.shtml > | Oct 07 10:03 |
| schestowitz | A Nobel prize for a Bush critic http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2009/10/05/nobel_prize_for_bush_critic/index.html | Oct 07 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | IBM Research jumps into genetic sequencing < http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-10368045-264.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 > | Oct 07 10:21 |
| schestowitz | Welcome to the European eGovernment Awards 2009 http://www.epractice.eu/en/awards | Oct 07 10:23 |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-habbo-hotel-parent-company-sulake-lays-off-40-staff/ | Oct 07 10:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Dollar in trouble? Yippie, says the right - http://bit.ly/147sQt excellent analysis #dollar #fisking | Oct 07 10:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody The criticism that Ralph Lauren doesn't want you to see! - http://bit.ly/Uwt5S | Oct 07 10:33 | |
| schestowitz | Google still wants to 'own' people's medical records. This is wrong. http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/fall-update-on-google-health.html | Oct 07 10:33 |
| amarsh04 | hi Schestowitz, I'm doing a phone conference with Brendan Scott and SFLC people in 12 and three quarter hours' time. Do you know the person who wrote: http://pedrofaustino.blogspot.com/2009/09/d-link-dva-g3170i-gpl-violation.html ? | Oct 07 10:43 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: I ping bkuhn about it | Oct 07 10:44 |
| schestowitz | *pinged (yesterday) | Oct 07 10:44 |
| amarsh04 | ah thanks | Oct 07 10:44 |
| schestowitz | trmanco brought it up | Oct 07 10:44 |
| *amarsh04 should get dinner before the take-aways and supermarkets are closed | Oct 07 10:44 | |
| schestowitz | I then posted it in some places like USENET and BN, let SFLC know about it... | Oct 07 10:44 |
| amarsh04 | I would like to know who is supplying the code bundle to router manufacturers without clearly communicating the GPL requirements | Oct 07 10:45 |
| amarsh04 | one of my favoured settlement terms will be GPL compliance stickers shipped out to router owners with a brief statement and URL to the code source | Oct 07 10:46 |
| amarsh04 | and nice bright car/bumper stickers with a GNU and a Penguin on them | Oct 07 10:47 |
| schestowitz | Bishop hardly writes for TechFLash these days | Oct 07 10:49 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he left, maybe on vacation | Oct 07 10:49 |
| schestowitz | THe fewer Microsoft-funded fan sites, the better | Oct 07 10:49 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: yes, stickers would be nice | Oct 07 10:49 |
| schestowitz | and a gnu-key | Oct 07 10:50 |
| amarsh04 | I remember some cisco wireless access points having vxworks stickers on them | Oct 07 10:50 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/11508719 | Oct 07 10:51 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/11508840 | Oct 07 10:51 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> New Advertising Strategy For Newspapers? They Make Great Umbrellas < http://techdirt.com/articles/20091005/0152416419.shtml > | Oct 07 10:53 |
| fewa | LOL | Oct 07 10:53 |
| amarsh04 | far more rewarding being constructive... I was really patient with my isp and telstra getting my phone line fixed and now adsl2+ runs great | Oct 07 10:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Stallman-Challenges-Microsoft-s-CodePlex-Foundation "http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Stallman-Challenges-Microsoft-s-CodePlex-Foundation" | Oct 07 10:56 |
| schestowitz | "Free Software Foundation's Richard Stallman recently brought Microsoft's newly instituted CodePlex Foundation to task in his blog." | Oct 07 10:56 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Nobody cares about your overhyped technology http://is.gd/42oVm | Oct 07 10:58 | |
| amarsh04 | back in a few, restarting with kexec | Oct 07 11:06 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. Good article: http://www.cracked.com/article_15716_6-most-overhyped-technologies.html | Oct 07 11:08 |
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| amarsh04 | interesting what one notices when one actually reads logs/manual pages: new dosfsck 3.0.6 in debian unstable, ionice allows -c3 (idle) priority for non root processes since kernel 2.6.25 - running fetchnews and logcheck with ionice -c3 makes using a slow computer more bearable | Oct 07 11:17 |
| schestowitz | " ill take Stallman ... thank you..! " http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-10-06-021-35-NW-MS-LL-0000 | Oct 07 11:18 |
| amarsh04 | afk | Oct 07 11:21 |
| fewa | "rad" still being used in its un-ironic sense at the time | Oct 07 11:23 |
| fewa | yeah that article has great wit | Oct 07 11:23 |
| fewa | "on the next generation of all-in-one devices (a cell phone/MP3 player/PDA/taser)." | Oct 07 11:25 |
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| trmanco | heys look | Oct 07 12:07 |
| trmanco | portugal is the first country to ship windows mobile 6.5 ... | Oct 07 12:08 |
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| trmanco | nobody uses that crap around here | Oct 07 12:08 |
| fewa | hmm, why would you ship in a flunking locality first? | Oct 07 12:10 |
| fewa | cause your desperate for attention? | Oct 07 12:10 |
| fewa | seems like it would have the opposite effect | Oct 07 12:10 |
| fewa | that you would launch where you have to most support first | Oct 07 12:10 |
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| schestowitz | WM 6.5 is a DISASTER | Oct 07 12:17 |
| schestowitz | see my post from last night, trmanco | Oct 07 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Reviewers blast it | Oct 07 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Socrates llllllllluuuuuuuuurves it :-) | Oct 07 12:17 |
| trmanco | ok | Oct 07 12:17 |
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| fewa | but what is this love you speak of? | Oct 07 12:20 |
| fewa | or alternatively llllllllluuuuuuuuurve, is that an english word? | Oct 07 12:20 |
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| trmanco | poor bung | Oct 07 12:50 |
| trmanco | bing* | Oct 07 12:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Shown for Their Ridiculousness http://bit.ly/BlPo8 | Oct 07 12:54 | |
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| schestowitz | fewa: it's how the Inquirer says "loves".. "luuuurves" | Oct 07 12:58 |
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| schestowitz | Mutx | Oct 07 12:58 |
| MinceR | so i herd u liek mudkips | Oct 07 12:59 |
| oiaohm | http://www.itnews.com.au/News/157555,afact-claims-100k-copyright-breaches-on-iinet.aspx Hmm testing reaches of save harbor. | Oct 07 13:04 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] I still haven't received my Google Wave invite :| | Oct 07 13:07 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'm still not dead | Oct 07 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | where's MinceR? I'm sure he'll be thrilled | Oct 07 13:11 |
| oiaohm | ? DaemonFC what is that about | Oct 07 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | my PC did go out however | Oct 07 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: two seizures last Sunday | Oct 07 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | one in the shower, one in the emergency room | Oct 07 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Ok that is not good DaemonFC | Oct 07 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | they did a CAT scan and all they found was a bad sinus infection, so they gave me antibiotics and sent me to follow up with my doctor, who ordered an EEG | Oct 07 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | that's tomorrow | Oct 07 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Could be the infection. | Oct 07 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Ie the toxins from the infection. | Oct 07 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | neither doctor thought so | Oct 07 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | I did ask | Oct 07 13:16 |
| oiaohm | It is rare | Oct 07 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | I still have bruises all over my arms from tensing up | Oct 07 13:16 |
| oiaohm | But does happen. | Oct 07 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | the ER doctor was an asshole | Oct 07 13:16 |
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| DaemonFC | grrr | Oct 07 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, I asked the ER doctor for pain pills and he wouldn't give me anything | Oct 07 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | so my grandmother gave me a bottle of Darvocets | Oct 07 13:17 |
| oiaohm | You cannot have pain pills after seizures or should not. | Oct 07 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | oh hell with that | Oct 07 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Because pain pills can make seizures worse if you have them. | Oct 07 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | I was taking 2 Darvocets every 4 hours and sometimes a couple of naproxen sodium | Oct 07 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | the pain was worse than getting my wisdom teeth removed, getting my tonsils removed, and everything else I've ever been through combined | Oct 07 13:19 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Iittle presure point that does take out some pain. The bone that goes from wrist to little finger find the middle of that and press lined up in the gap to the next finger. | Oct 07 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, it's tolerable with just a couple naproxen sodium a couple times a day now | Oct 07 13:20 |
| oiaohm | opps next bone that the next finger is connected to. | Oct 07 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | I woke up this morning and didn't even need any pain pills | Oct 07 13:20 |
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| DaemonFC | as for the PC, I don't think I'll be buying Intel stuff again | Oct 07 13:21 |
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| omar | Hi all. | Oct 07 13:21 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't have anything but bad luck with my last two Intel motherboards | Oct 07 13:21 |
| omar | DaemonFC, ok | Oct 07 13:21 |
| DaemonFC | I ordered a Phenom II X4 2.6 Ghz system this week B-) | Oct 07 13:22 |
| trmanco | haha | Oct 07 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | that should spank that Core 2 Duo I had | Oct 07 13:22 |
| trmanco | AMD? | Oct 07 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Oct 07 13:22 |
| trmanco | cool | Oct 07 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | never had an AMD system die inexplicably | Oct 07 13:22 |
| trmanco | how many cores? | Oct 07 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | I've had a few Intel systems die within 1-2 years | Oct 07 13:23 |
| trmanco | physical cores | Oct 07 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | trmanco: 4 | Oct 07 13:23 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: I know of sinus infections causing sesures from the people in the wood industry here. Particular trees from particular areas have bacterias and fungus that are nasty. | Oct 07 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I'm trying not to let the DMV find out, they'd take away my driver's license for a year | Oct 07 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | this system comes with a RadeonHD 4350, but I think the Geforce 9500GT from my old system would be a better card | Oct 07 13:25 |
| oiaohm | I guess you are not a wood turner on anything that could come into contact with the set of bacterias and fungus I know DaemonFC. | Oct 07 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | benchmarks seem to suggest that anyway | Oct 07 13:25 |
| omar | Okay people, I attended the Microsloth ceremony earlier this morning, and I must say.. I'm getting pissed. | Oct 07 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: nope | Oct 07 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | omar: This system qualifies for the Windows 7 upgrade | Oct 07 13:25 |
| omar | All they talked about is "Marketing". Nothing more. | Oct 07 13:26 |
| omar | DaemonFC, what? | Oct 07 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | if this runs as smooth as the XP to Vista Express Crapfest I should be on Windows 7 in 6-8 weeks | Oct 07 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 07 13:26 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: check you house for fungus and other bad things DaemonFC Just in case. You could be just the weakest one in your house to it. | Oct 07 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: nobody has lived in the apartment building as long as I have | Oct 07 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | I moved in in January 2007 | Oct 07 13:27 |
| omar | So where's Roy? Is he away? | Oct 07 13:27 |
| oiaohm | So the building was new in 2007 ? | Oct 07 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Oct 07 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | people move in and out like crazy | Oct 07 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | new tenant moved in last week | Oct 07 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | has all these Jesus and Mary statues out on the deck, ick | Oct 07 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | Catholics | Oct 07 13:28 |
| oiaohm | So that building could have everything. | Oct 07 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | she's in for a big surprise when I move back in | Oct 07 13:28 |
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| DaemonFC | my landlord fixed it up, he's not a slumlord | Oct 07 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | he did get it at auction from one though | Oct 07 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | in pretty rough shape | Oct 07 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | the doctors have no idea what's wrong with me, aside from being about 30 pounds overweight all their tests say I'm in great shape | Oct 07 13:30 |
| oiaohm | bateria and fugus toxin exposure. Depend on what you are exposed to can give no sign in blood work. | Oct 07 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | so they poke and prod and hook up their electrodes | Oct 07 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | scalpels and leeches | Oct 07 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | amazing how little they still know about how the body works | Oct 07 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Really its not humans are really complex machines. | Oct 07 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Living in a world even more complex. | Oct 07 13:32 |
| omar | oiaohm, I felt really sad to find my friends and colleagues being merely indoctrinated and made soldiers..! | Oct 07 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | I don't believe in "intelligent design" because I think an omnipotent being could do a hell of a lot better than a frail body littered with legacy organs and vestigial teeth | Oct 07 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | which gets sick and is frail and lives between 0-100 years | Oct 07 13:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] NY man arrested house raided for twittering police orders @democracynow interview http://ur1.ca/d3zq ct docs http://ur1.ca/d042 #policestate | Oct 07 13:34 | |
| oiaohm | I have releation who works for wood working company. He got like what you had. But they tested the infection up nose to find out what it was and yep and it was like ok crap there is the problem. Nothing else was wrong. | Oct 07 13:34 |
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| DaemonFC | the human body is a piss poor argument for belief in a god | Oct 07 13:34 |
| omar | DaemonFC, who doesn't leave within 0-100 years? | Oct 07 13:34 |
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| oiaohm | Evolution and Believing in god is not counter. | Oct 07 13:35 |
| omar | DaemonFC, I don't get it. | Oct 07 13:35 |
| omar | oiaohm, it is. | Oct 07 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | omar: So where in your bible or whatever does it explain the appendix, the tonsils, the wisdom teeth..... | Oct 07 13:35 |
| oiaohm | Evolution has a non explained random factor. | Oct 07 13:35 |
| omar | oiaohm, Richard Dawkens declared it. | Oct 07 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | the sewage treatment plant installed next to the recreational facilities | Oct 07 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | (Robin Williams joke) | Oct 07 13:35 |
| oiaohm | Creater of Evolution was a christian who died a christian. | Oct 07 13:36 |
| omar | DaemonFC, science and religion are not counter. | Oct 07 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | yes they are | Oct 07 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | night and day, totally irreconcilable | Oct 07 13:36 |
| omar | DaemonFC, not they're not. | Oct 07 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | evolution cannot coexist with creation | Oct 07 13:36 |
| omar | DaemonFC, read the Holy Quran first and then come and argue about it. | Oct 07 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | because if we were created as-is, then we wouldn't have evolved | Oct 07 13:36 |
| omar | DaemonFC, it talked in detail about how humans are created. | Oct 07 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Really it can DaemonFC | Oct 07 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | and if evolution was steered in a predetermined path, it's not evolution | Oct 07 13:37 |
| omar | DaemonFC, the levels of maternity. | Oct 07 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | and god would be screwing with us | Oct 07 13:37 |
| oiaohm | How do we know what is random DaemonFC | Oct 07 13:37 |
| oiaohm | We are not a big enough creature to know. | Oct 07 13:37 |
| omar | DaemonFC, evolution is a lie. | Oct 07 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Ok powerful enough creature to know. | Oct 07 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | omar: Your god is all knowing and all powerful, knows everything before it happens, right? | Oct 07 13:38 |
| omar | DaemonFC, yes. | Oct 07 13:38 |
| oiaohm | evolution is not a lie. | Oct 07 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | so how could he not know what would result if he started evolution? | Oct 07 13:38 |
| omar | oiaohm, it is. | Oct 07 13:38 |
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| oiaohm | Who says god does not have a machine to control things omar | Oct 07 13:38 |
| omar | DaemonFC, he didn't start evolution. | Oct 07 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Apparently god outsourced to an Indian call center | Oct 07 13:39 |
| omar | oiaohm, he doesn't need a machine. | Oct 07 13:39 |
| oiaohm | And the study of evolution is not just study of that machine. | Oct 07 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | that explains the success rate of prayer | Oct 07 13:39 |
| oiaohm | How do you know omar | Oct 07 13:39 |
| omar | DaemonFC, quit sarcasm to be ignored, please. | Oct 07 13:39 |
| oiaohm | No where does any book say god did everything directly. | Oct 07 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Yeah it did | Oct 07 13:39 |
| omar | oiaohm, in the Quran. | Oct 07 13:39 |
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| DaemonFC | it says that he created Earth and everything in 7 days | Oct 07 13:40 |
| omar | oiaohm, he says: "be" and it is. | Oct 07 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | and with words | Oct 07 13:40 |
| bozo_ | Who created God? | Oct 07 13:40 |
| omar | DaemonFC, not 7. | Oct 07 13:40 |
| omar | DaemonFC, 6. | Oct 07 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | bozo_: People created god | Oct 07 13:40 |
| oiaohm | You creat a cup on a lathe. You created cup DaemonFC | Oct 07 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | people want there to be a god so they can justify all kinds of wickedness | Oct 07 13:40 |
| oiaohm | No book says that he did it 100 percent independant. | Oct 07 13:40 |
| omar | bozo_, ok wait. let me put it this way. When you write a computer program, does it know who created you? | Oct 07 13:40 |
| omar | oiaohm, the Quran does that. | Oct 07 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | omar: Bad example | Oct 07 13:41 |
| omar | oiaohm, the Quran says that. | Oct 07 13:41 |
| omar | DaemonFC, I wasn't talking to you. | Oct 07 13:41 |
| oiaohm | The words again omar | Oct 07 13:41 |
| oiaohm | He commands something to be. | Oct 07 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | a computer program isn't self aware or intelligent, it doesn't get happy or sad | Oct 07 13:41 |
| omar | oiaohm, "Be" and it is. | Oct 07 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | it just does whatever it was made to do | Oct 07 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | no more or less | Oct 07 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Just like you commanding the computer in frount of you omar | Oct 07 13:41 |
| oiaohm | The words don't say there is not a machine helping god. | Oct 07 13:42 |
| omar | oiaohm, not true. | Oct 07 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Its true omar read closer. | Oct 07 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Yes, the Great Machine on Epsilon III | Oct 07 13:42 |
| omar | oiaohm, I use my hands. God doesn't use his hands in creating you. | Oct 07 13:42 |
| omar | oiaohm, he doesn't even need that. | Oct 07 13:42 |
| oiaohm | No where says he has to do it directly omar | Oct 07 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Machine | Oct 07 13:43 |
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| oiaohm | Its a very big presume that god cannot just tweek a random here and there and get the results he wants. | Oct 07 13:43 |
| omar | oiaohm, here's list of the places in the Quran where "Be and it is" is mentioned. | Oct 07 13:43 |
| oiaohm | be and it is does not mean as much as you take it. | Oct 07 13:43 |
| omar | oiaohm, did you read the Holy Quran? | Oct 07 13:43 |
| oiaohm | yes and buddhist and christian works as well. | Oct 07 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | it would be nice if one religion held the official stupidity patent | Oct 07 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | would help you remember who the idiots were | Oct 07 13:44 |
| omar | oiaohm, you are using your imagination my friend. That's the biggest mistake your committing. | Oct 07 13:44 |
| bozo_ | Prior Knowledge DaemonFC | Oct 07 13:44 |
| oiaohm | no omar | Oct 07 13:44 |
| omar | DaemonFC, ok then that's it. Get lost. | Oct 07 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | or else? | Oct 07 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 07 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Biggest mistake you are making is presuming that a book written to be simplifed for people to understand will cover exactly the method a all power person can do things. | Oct 07 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Being all powerful means random is not random. | Oct 07 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: We're not the simpleton cave dwellers or medieval morons, even the most backwards, deeply religious people have some modern scientific understanding | Oct 07 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | when do we get the intermediate study manual from god? | Oct 07 13:46 |
| omar | oiaohm, Quran is not really a book of Science. | Oct 07 13:46 |
| oiaohm | Anything that still has a random factor in it can have god controling it. | Oct 07 13:46 |
| omar | oiaohm, it's a book of belief. A book of faith. When it talks about science, it's only doing that to prove to you that your God exists and you have to believe in him. | Oct 07 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Evolution just allows understanding of the limits of framework god is working in. | Oct 07 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | omar: your religious arguments fall apart when it's obvious that the dumbed down books like the Christian bible or the Qur'an or what have your are like giving a 6th grader 1st grade study material | Oct 07 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | where's god? where the hell is the new manual? asleep at the wheel is he? | Oct 07 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | *what have you | Oct 07 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Really the more we understand about the limits the less god can do without making it show as hang on that was impossiable. | Oct 07 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | maybe if religion doesn't blow us up or slow us down to where we still can't fend off the next asteroid impact we'll solve death in the next 1,000 years | Oct 07 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | and colonize other planets | Oct 07 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Solving death is getting closer DaemonFC | Oct 07 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | that's the only way that humans will ever be immortal | Oct 07 13:50 |
| oiaohm | But I don't think that will be a good day. | Oct 07 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I think that we'll shed these bodies and live on as androids | Oct 07 13:50 |
| oiaohm | Who really wants to live for ever DaemonFC | Oct 07 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | indefinitely | Oct 07 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | I would | Oct 07 13:50 |
| oiaohm | With some of the most annoying people on earth. | Oct 07 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Also being immortal to drive you up wall. | Oct 07 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | well, oiaohm, I see it this way | Oct 07 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | at least if we could become androids, we could continue to exist | Oct 07 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | as is, we die, we rot away, and that's all we ever were or will be | Oct 07 13:51 |
| oiaohm | androids don't last for ever. | Oct 07 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Each time you were copied you could degrade. | Oct 07 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | they could be repaired | Oct 07 13:52 |
| oiaohm | So you will die at some point. | Oct 07 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | losing an arm? have a new one tomorrow | Oct 07 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Lose you mind DaemonFC? | Oct 07 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Oct 07 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Not quite as simple to replace. | Oct 07 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Ie damage. | Oct 07 13:53 |
| oiaohm | The nature of the real world. | Oct 07 13:53 |
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| DaemonFC | not until I die or am damaged by old age | Oct 07 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Old age will still get a machine. | Oct 07 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | why would you degrade? If a consciousness is being copied, they could verify the transfer\ | Oct 07 13:54 |
| oiaohm | Just it will extend out to like a few 1000 years. | Oct 07 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | maybe even take backups of you | Oct 07 13:54 |
| oiaohm | Coping errors. | Oct 07 13:54 |
| oiaohm | And media errors | Oct 07 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | 1,000 years from now? | Oct 07 13:54 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Oct 07 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | Are we still going to be PCs and Macs? | Oct 07 13:55 |
| bozo_ | yes, just wash you through a lossy compression algorithm a few times :) | Oct 07 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | just for real this time | Oct 07 13:55 |
| oiaohm | That is the other issue. | Oct 07 13:55 |
| oiaohm | You would have to learn many techs many times over DaemonFC | Oct 07 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | so? | Oct 07 13:55 |
| oiaohm | More data more risk. | Oct 07 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | how is that different from relearning new computer hardware every few years now? | Oct 07 13:56 |
| oiaohm | That does collect up. DaemonFC | Oct 07 13:56 |
| oiaohm | I do try avoiding learning that stuff. | Oct 07 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | speaking of which, I can't believe that system I ordered has Firewire | Oct 07 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | I thought that was dying off | Oct 07 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Firewire does have some advantages. | Oct 07 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | I've still never used a Firewire device, everything is USB | Oct 07 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Like being fully network supporting. | Oct 07 13:57 |
| oiaohm | where USB is not. | Oct 07 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | not even USB 3.0? | Oct 07 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Not even USB 3.0 | Oct 07 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | heh, USB 3 has faster transfer than Firewire though, right? | Oct 07 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Currently yes DaemonFC | Oct 07 13:58 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394_interface#Future_enhancements_.28including_P1394d.29 But there are upgrades planed for firewire. | Oct 07 13:59 |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Do you think I should use the RadeonHD 4350 or just get rid of it and salvage the Geforce 9500 GT? | Oct 07 13:59 |
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| DaemonFC | I've looked at the two and the Geforce seems about a third faster and fully OpenGL 3.1 compliant | Oct 07 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | the Radeon only supports OpenGL 2.0 | Oct 07 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | I may have to try it out myself :P | Oct 07 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't used an ATI card in years, like 6 years, unless you count that stupid laptop | Oct 07 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenom_II#Features | Oct 07 14:01 |
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| DaemonFC | rofl | Oct 07 14:01 |
| oiaohm | On Linux I would say salvage the Geforce and keep the randeonHD for when drivers get better. | Oct 07 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | Cool 'n Quiet is now applied to the processor as a whole, rather than on a per-core basis. This was done in order to address the mishandling of threads by Windows Vista, which can cause single-threaded applications to run on a core that is idling at half its clock rate. | Oct 07 14:01 |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm: XFX makes some nice Geforce cards | Oct 07 14:02 |
| DaemonFC | they overclock them too | Oct 07 14:02 |
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| oiaohm | Unless Nvidia changes there path. The ATI card could end up the most stable one to use in time on Linux. | Oct 07 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | the standard 9500 GT might have GDDR2 RAM and a 500 Mhz clock | Oct 07 14:03 |
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| oiaohm | Just the drivers for Linux are not there yet. | Oct 07 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | XFX 9500 GT has GDDR3 and a 600 Mhz clock | Oct 07 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Sounds good DaemonFC | Oct 07 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | and it was the same price | Oct 07 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Until you wake up to something. Lot of the are the same chip. | Oct 07 14:04 |
| oiaohm | Running at different speeds. | Oct 07 14:04 |
| oiaohm | So what ends up happening is you have traded life of chip for speed. | Oct 07 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia leaves si much wiggle room in what you can call a Geforce, even with the same model designation, that XFX is usually at least 10-15% faster than the reference card | Oct 07 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | *so | Oct 07 14:05 |
| oiaohm | And about 1/3 of the life of one not pushed up 10 to 15 percent. | Oct 07 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | really the only things slowing me down were the Core 2 Duo 1.86 Ghz and the DDR2 667 RAM | Oct 07 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Wiggle room does not make it good to Wiggle. | Oct 07 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | this new system should kick ass | Oct 07 14:06 |
| trmanco | http://www.builderau.com.au/news/soa/RailCorp-wrestles-with-Conficker/0,339028227,339298913,00.htm?feed=rss | Oct 07 14:06 |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I've never had problems with XFX | Oct 07 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | I've bought several cards from them | Oct 07 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Full life of a reference Nvidia card is 10 years. | Oct 07 14:06 |
| trmanco | http://www.builderau.com.au/news/soa/VMware-hits-back-at-Microsoft-cost-criticism-/0,339028227,339298918,00.htm?feed=rss | Oct 07 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | MSI and PNY Geforce cards are what to avoid | Oct 07 14:06 |
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| DaemonFC | stock speed and still may melt down | Oct 07 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | I had an MSI Geforce where the fan melted | Oct 07 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 07 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Poor fan. | Oct 07 14:07 |
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| DaemonFC | the other dirty trick is overselling PSUs | Oct 07 14:08 |
| trmanco | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139065/Microsoft_EU_reach_accord_on_antitrust?source=rss_news | Oct 07 14:08 |
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| DaemonFC | like those outfits that sell 550 watt PSU and then in little print (55% efficiency) | Oct 07 14:08 |
| trmanco | I've already read a lie in that article | Oct 07 14:08 |
| trmanco | "the operating system running over 95 percent of the world's personal computers." | Oct 07 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | you're better off with the 300 watt 90% efficiency PSU you got with the system | Oct 07 14:09 |
| trmanco | this guys should get his numbers updated | Oct 07 14:09 |
| trmanco | guy* | Oct 07 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Note there is no card on the market of Nvidias that matches the reference in heat sinks and other key parts to make it last. | Oct 07 14:09 |
| oiaohm | At the same clock speed. | Oct 07 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Reference Nvidia cards are nice to handle. | Oct 07 14:09 |
| Omar871 | trmanco: I got really sad today at the Microsoft festival. | Oct 07 14:09 |
| trmanco | ? | Oct 07 14:09 |
| trmanco | launch party? | Oct 07 14:10 |
| Omar871 | trmanco: not really. | Oct 07 14:10 |
| trmanco | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139038/Bing_slips_Google_inches_ahead_in_search_war?source=rss_news | Oct 07 14:10 |
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| Omar871 | trmanco: just a "Marketing Campaign" | Oct 07 14:10 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 07 14:10 |
| Omar871 | trmanco: what pissed me off is how my friends and colleagues were turned into soldiers to push that campaign to the rest of the Jordanian youth. | Oct 07 14:11 |
| trmanco | give'me a slap | Oct 07 14:11 |
| trmanco | and tell them to wake up into the real world | Oct 07 14:12 |
| trmanco | give'em* | Oct 07 14:12 |
| Omar871 | trmanco: All they talked about is "Vista 7", "MS Surfish", "Imagine Cuff", "Silverblight"... blah blah blah... | Oct 07 14:13 |
| trmanco | oh surface | Oct 07 14:13 |
| Omar871 | trmanco: they're hypnotized. | Oct 07 14:13 |
| trmanco | as I said | Oct 07 14:13 |
| trmanco | give them a slap | Oct 07 14:13 |
| Omar871 | trmanco: yeah, I tried. | Oct 07 14:13 |
| trmanco | ask a chick to do it | Oct 07 14:14 |
| Omar871 | trmanco: and that's also why I need Roy's journalistic expertise here. | Oct 07 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Omar871: best question. So lets infect windows and just with what MS provides nothing else be online inside 5 mins to ask for assistance. | Oct 07 14:14 |
| Omar871 | trmanco: there was that girl who bragged about being a "Microsoft girl", or whatever. | Oct 07 14:15 |
| trmanco | ah geeze | Oct 07 14:15 |
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| trmanco | ... | Oct 07 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Linux livecd you can be on line in 15 min. | Oct 07 14:15 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: I don't get it. | Oct 07 14:15 |
| oiaohm | No problems. | Oct 07 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | I've never installed Silverlight, even in Windows | Oct 07 14:15 |
| oiaohm | 5 no wories. | Oct 07 14:15 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: you mean seconds. | Oct 07 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | Oct 07 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Windows no livecd out box. | Oct 07 14:15 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: I just installed Karmic last night. I am still amazing by how thunder fast it is!!! | Oct 07 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Its slow Omar871 | Oct 07 14:16 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: no it's not. | Oct 07 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Seriously. | Oct 07 14:16 |
| oiaohm | There are still major faults slowing it down. | Oct 07 14:16 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: seriously, it's not. | Oct 07 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Next one after Karmic is going to be a lot faster again. | Oct 07 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I noticed Bertelsmann will be handling my Windows 7 upgrade order through HP | Oct 07 14:16 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: I booted it up in less than 15 seconds, really. | Oct 07 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | they make you use IE to access the site | Oct 07 14:17 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: it's just plain incredible. | Oct 07 14:17 |
| oiaohm | under 10 will be the next 1 Omar871 | Oct 07 14:17 |
| oiaohm | And maybe under 5 for the one after. | Oct 07 14:17 |
| oiaohm | But transfer rates are going to be a problem there. | Oct 07 14:17 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: That's great. But the guy at the MS Fest says his Vista 7 installation boots up in 32 seconds.. :D | Oct 07 14:18 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: and he counts that "Fast"!!! :D | Oct 07 14:18 |
| Omar871 | LOL! | Oct 07 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Yep a iceage compared to Linux. | Oct 07 14:18 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Exactly! | Oct 07 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87: it booted faster than that on my old core 2 duo with 4 gigs of RAM | Oct 07 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 07 14:18 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: he lied about Vista 7 being designed for Netbooks. | Oct 07 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | I suspect it'll be hellaciously fast on the Phenom II X4 :) | Oct 07 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Then to those that say boot times don't matter. Point them to this. http://citp.princeton.edu/memory/ You cannot use disk encryption and suspend to ram. | Oct 07 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | of course, what wouldn't be? | Oct 07 14:20 |
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| Omar871 | oiaohm: he didn't mention the fact that the age of XP was extended for four more years! | Oct 07 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: my mom was considering buying an XP-based netbook | Oct 07 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | I told her to hold off or else she'd get an 8 year old OS | Oct 07 14:21 |
| oiaohm | I got invited to one. By the end of it I had made more sales of support contracts with my firm than the guy hosting it Omar871 | Oct 07 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | even I wouldn't recommend a netbook that has XP | Oct 07 14:21 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: lol | Oct 07 14:21 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: what is your firm? | Oct 07 14:21 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: I'll have to learn that lesson from you. :) | Oct 07 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: You watch, they'll start putting 2 gigs of RAM in the Windows 7 models | Oct 07 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Just a small local support firm. | Oct 07 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | silently | Oct 07 14:22 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: however, one thing that made it clear to me that they're scared of us, is that they didn't give chance for questions. | Oct 07 14:22 |
| bozo_ | Did anyone else notice the Bilski case mentions on the Newhour PBS show day before yesterday ? | Oct 07 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes I upset them with information on ram failure rates as well. | Oct 07 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Because they said why is low ram important. | Oct 07 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Because the more ram sticks you have the high the odds the system will fail. | Oct 07 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't want to use Vista with less than 4 gigs or 7 with less than 2 gigs | Oct 07 14:23 |
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| Omar871 | oiaohm: becausce, clearly if they did, someone like me would pop up out of thin air and topple the whole campaign over their heads. | Oct 07 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | lowball for Linux with KDE 4.3 would be about 1 GB | Oct 07 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | but RAM is so cheap you might as well just fill all the slots just to have it | Oct 07 14:24 |
| oiaohm | I have run KDE 4.3 quite well at 512 megs. | Oct 07 14:24 |
| oiaohm | But getting 512 sticks is basically impossible. | Oct 07 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | I should hope so | Oct 07 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Ram cheep down time caused by machine failure not cheep. | Oct 07 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | well, RAM is $9 a gig, so the argument is moot | Oct 07 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | buy all you can | Oct 07 14:25 |
| oiaohm | No it is not. | Oct 07 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Reliable system and fast to diagnose. | Oct 07 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | I bought it for $9 a gig and got free shipping | Oct 07 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Less parts the better. | Oct 07 14:25 |
| oiaohm | So 1 ram stick 1 cpu 1 harddrive. Lot simpler to debug. | Oct 07 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | the games!!!!! :P | Oct 07 14:26 |
| oiaohm | The most expensive part is not the parts. | Oct 07 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Its the cost to business of having techs fix it. | Oct 07 14:27 |
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| oiaohm | Yes gamers don't care about there machines being dependable. | Oct 07 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Overclocking .... Basically we sell dollar signs when they come in. | Oct 07 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: any system out there will do 90% of what I want | Oct 07 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's that other 10% | Oct 07 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Doing relieble systems is different to doing high performing. | Oct 07 14:31 |
| oiaohm | they are 2 100 percent different cats to me. | Oct 07 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | AMD stuff is reliable | Oct 07 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Most AMD stuff. | Oct 07 14:32 |
| oiaohm | You still get the bad batches. | Oct 07 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Or what is really wrong the box send that the fork lift put its forks threw. | Oct 07 14:32 |
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| DaemonFC | I still have an 11 year old K6/2 550 that works | Oct 07 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 07 14:33 |
| oiaohm | So the motherboard is just fragements. | Oct 07 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | I think that speaks for them | Oct 07 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Athlon XP was AMD lemon. | Oct 07 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | skipped it | Oct 07 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | went for the Athlon64 | Oct 07 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Same here. | Oct 07 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | something about the AthlonXP reeked of bad design the moment I saw it | Oct 07 14:34 |
| oiaohm | AthlonXP is overclocking to the extream. | Oct 07 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Just done by the chip maker. | Oct 07 14:35 |
| oiaohm | It chip design was from the same style as pent 3 that sanely stoped just over the 1 ghz. | Oct 07 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Ie design good just pushed past limits DaemonFC | Oct 07 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | Phenom II X4 seems to be about equal to the Core 2 Quad at similar clock speeds | Oct 07 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | the difference is that the Phenom is more affordable | Oct 07 14:36 |
| oiaohm | And temp. | Oct 07 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Phenoms have habit of running colder than the Core 2 Quad | Oct 07 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Speedstep didn't impress me (Intel) | Oct 07 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | seemed like my system fan was always a jet engine | Oct 07 14:37 |
| oiaohm | I cannot wait until Linux gets a power management core. | Oct 07 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | when your PC drowns out a passing train, you have problems | Oct 07 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Impressive is the arm 2 ghz 8 cores. | Oct 07 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | seems to me that AMD has had better power management since the Athlon64 | Oct 07 14:38 |
| oiaohm | You can still passive cool them. | Oct 07 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | better than Intel that is | Oct 07 14:38 |
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| oiaohm | I really would not want to try passive cool either amd or intel. | Oct 07 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | the Pentium 4 was equally as bad if not worse than AthlonXP | Oct 07 14:39 |
| trmanco | LOOOL | Oct 07 14:39 |
| oiaohm | First generation Pentium 4 were cold. | Oct 07 14:39 |
| trmanco | "The bunker is equipped with Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) shielding and Nuclear/Biological/Chemical (NBC) air filtration to guarantee that the servers they host stay up no matter what happens. As of this week it is also the new home of The Pirate Bay." | Oct 07 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Just slow as a snail DaemonFC | Oct 07 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | mine ran so hot that HP had to put a heat pipe leading to the back of the case (P4) | Oct 07 14:40 |
| oiaohm | I guess you were nto using first generation DaemonFC That perform slower than a Pent 3. | Oct 07 14:41 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: did Roy say when he's coming back? | Oct 07 14:42 |
| oiaohm | trmanco: at least we know were the pirate bay server is to send shut down notice. DaemonFC | Oct 07 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Omar871: did not notice. | Oct 07 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Opps sorry DaemonFC | Oct 07 14:42 |
| Omar871 | trmanco: did Roy say when he'll be back? Because I really need him. | Oct 07 14:43 |
| trmanco | check back in a hour or so | Oct 07 14:44 |
| Omar871 | As for today's "MS Marketing Campaign", I've got a little bunch of vids and pics enough to use in a blog post. | Oct 07 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Should be a simple thing to rip to bits Omar871 | Oct 07 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Not like MS marketing knows how to tell the truth. | Oct 07 14:45 |
| Omar871 | And I need to Roy's blogging expertise in this. I need to write a huge and ground shaking article about that event. | Oct 07 14:45 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: what do you mean? | Oct 07 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Every one of MS marketing things I have ever seen contains lies either about linux or about there own product. | Oct 07 14:47 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: that is so true. | Oct 07 14:47 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: nothing but lies. | Oct 07 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Truth is key to selling product. | Oct 07 14:48 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: What d you mean by "easy thing to rip to bits"? | Oct 07 14:48 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: or "simple". | Oct 07 14:48 |
| oiaohm | easy to point out the lies so undermining the complete marketing. | Oct 07 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Why believe marketing that contains lies arguement so undermining it. | Oct 07 14:49 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: I know. But I need to make that clear to those pathetic friends of mine who simply fell for that scam. | Oct 07 14:50 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @santhoshtr: Violence in Consumerism’s Own Country - J Devika http://bit.ly/4wLSAv | Oct 07 14:53 | |
| oiaohm | You think you have a problem. | Oct 07 14:53 |
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| Omar871 | oiaohm: At the end of the day, it's nothign more than a filthy scam. | Oct 07 14:53 |
| oiaohm | I have 200 + of them in a computer club to deal with at times. | Oct 07 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Its helped me get good at doing counters so making me more profitable. | Oct 07 14:53 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: My friends are not the problem. They are just part of it. | Oct 07 14:54 |
| oiaohm | The are not really pathetic either. | Oct 07 14:54 |
| oiaohm | they just don't know better. | Oct 07 14:54 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: The problem is the whole Jordanian (as well as the Arabian) IT world. | Oct 07 14:54 |
| oiaohm | The path I am pushing recently that is working ok. Is Linux as the spare wheel. | Oct 07 14:54 |
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| oiaohm | People get use to using it when windows breaks and after time they stop going back. | Oct 07 14:55 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: That's why I call them pathetic. They don't know, which it makes me sad. | Oct 07 14:55 |
| Omar871 | which makes me sad. | Oct 07 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Why be sad | Oct 07 14:55 |
| oiaohm | It helps no one. | Oct 07 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Sorry Buddhist nature Omar871. | Oct 07 14:56 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: To those people, and operatinf system is Windows, and not the other way around. | Oct 07 14:56 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: What? | Oct 07 14:56 |
| oiaohm | You cannot help a person who does not want to be helped. You can only provide them with guidence. | Oct 07 14:56 |
| oiaohm | If they listen so be it. | Oct 07 14:56 |
| oiaohm | If not they will have to go the long way. | Oct 07 14:56 |
| trmanco | http://www.junauza.com/2009/10/ubuntu-cola-vs-windows-cola.html | Oct 07 14:57 |
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| Omar871 | oiaohm: Okay, it doesn't make me sad. But it makes me determined to reveal to them that they are being scammed. | Oct 07 14:57 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Exactly. | Oct 07 14:57 |
| oiaohm | Follow the lession of the Buddhist ways. | Oct 07 14:57 |
| oiaohm | Push too hard all you do is push them away and get no were. | Oct 07 14:57 |
| trmanco | http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/european-commission-likes-windows-7-browser-ballot-screen-will/ | Oct 07 14:58 |
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| oiaohm | Reason why I learnt the Buddhist ways. When it comes to getting people to do things they are the best at it Omar871 | Oct 07 14:58 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: That's what I'm trying to do with you as well. Trying to reveal to you that Atheism and Evolution are not right. But it's up to you to believe it or not. | Oct 07 14:58 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: I don't know much about Buddhism, but I know their belief is the closest to Islam. | Oct 07 14:59 |
| oiaohm | I am Buddhist and christian no conflicts. | Oct 07 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Buddhist is mostly a way of life. | Oct 07 14:59 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Islam provides both, and more. | Oct 07 15:00 |
| oiaohm | If you believe in any of the Buddhist god/saints its your choice under Buddhist teachings. | Oct 07 15:00 |
| oiaohm | You can be Islam and Buddhist. | Oct 07 15:00 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: no, you can't. | Oct 07 15:00 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: and you don't have to. | Oct 07 15:00 |
| oiaohm | That is the thing about Buddhist teachings. Its not faith. | Oct 07 15:00 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: have you read about Islam? | Oct 07 15:00 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: If you haven't, please do. | Oct 07 15:01 |
| oiaohm | You can be both Omar871. | Oct 07 15:01 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: I am a Muslim. And I'm telling you, you can not. | Oct 07 15:02 |
| oiaohm | The difference between all other religions and Buddist is that Buddist does not demard faith. | Oct 07 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Does not demard belief. | Oct 07 15:02 |
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| oiaohm | Demards that you live your life right nothing else. | Oct 07 15:02 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: like I said, please read the Quran before judging it. | Oct 07 15:02 |
| oiaohm | The Quran does not cover some of the buddhist diplomancy sides. | Oct 07 15:03 |
| JPerlow | omari is correct | Oct 07 15:03 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Read the Quran in a neutral sense. | Oct 07 15:03 |
| JPerlow | however you can practice Zen and still be muslim | Oct 07 15:03 |
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| JPerlow | because Zen is not a religion | Oct 07 15:03 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Islam and Buddhism are totally different things. | Oct 07 15:04 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: What is Zen? | Oct 07 15:04 |
| JPerlow | zen is a philosophy of how one looks at life | Oct 07 15:04 |
| JPerlow | not a religion | Oct 07 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Being Buddhism does not mean you are following a religion you can be athethist yet be a buddhist. | Oct 07 15:04 |
| JPerlow | buddhism is a religion | Oct 07 15:05 |
| oiaohm | Buddhism is lot different due to way of life being key. | Oct 07 15:05 |
| JPerlow | zen is a practice | Oct 07 15:05 |
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| oiaohm | Read the documents of buddhism JPerlow key parts are way of life. | Oct 07 15:05 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: If you are a true Muslim, you don't need to be anything else. If you read the Quran carefully, you'll find that out. | Oct 07 15:05 |
| oiaohm | That is incorrect Omar871 | Oct 07 15:06 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: even Israeli people are converting to Islam in numbers now. | Oct 07 15:06 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: that is correct. | Oct 07 15:06 |
| JPerlow | there are israeli muslims | Oct 07 15:06 |
| JPerlow | there have always been | Oct 07 15:06 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: A lot of them. | Oct 07 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | Omar871: Over my rotting corpse | Oct 07 15:06 |
| JPerlow | yes, a lot of them | Oct 07 15:06 |
| oiaohm | No book covers everything Omar871 | Oct 07 15:06 |
| JPerlow | converting however, that is a different manner | Oct 07 15:07 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: The Quran does. | Oct 07 15:07 |
| JPerlow | i seriously doubt israeli jews are converting to islam | Oct 07 15:07 |
| oiaohm | That is faith in book Omar871 | Oct 07 15:07 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: If you read it carefully you'll find out by yourself. | Oct 07 15:07 |
| oiaohm | Faith that book is perfect. | Oct 07 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | Islam persists mostly in prisons | Oct 07 15:07 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Quran is all about faith. But it brings you faith with a proof. | Oct 07 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | it spreads through hardened criminals in our society | Oct 07 15:07 |
| oiaohm | Problem that buddhist teach is no book is perfect. | Oct 07 15:07 |
| JPerlow | omar the problem I have is the inconsistency between the medina part of the book and the mecca part. | Oct 07 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Over time meanings of words change. | Oct 07 15:08 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: How? | Oct 07 15:08 |
| oiaohm | So people reading book get different meanings to what the book was meant to say. | Oct 07 15:08 |
| Omar871 | oiaohm: Not true. | Oct 07 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | hardened criminals and bitter black people | Oct 07 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Its true Omar871 | Oct 07 15:08 |
| Omar871 | Not true oiaohm | Oct 07 15:08 |
| JPerlow | because in one part, the prophet is peacefu, and in the other, he advocates kiling those that are not islam. | Oct 07 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Buddhist have many thousands of years of written history. | Oct 07 15:08 |
| oiaohm | More than muslims. | Oct 07 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: well, a little less now that the Muslims have blown up those Buddha statues | Oct 07 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | animals | Oct 07 15:09 |
| oiaohm | One of the key thing to reading the old books is keeping the words in the right time frames. | Oct 07 15:09 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: first of all. The prophet didn't write it. | Oct 07 15:09 |
| JPerlow | omar: it doesnt matter, it is the foundation of scripture for islam | Oct 07 15:09 |
| oiaohm | Buddhists also maintain backups DaemonFC | Oct 07 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | not of those | Oct 07 15:10 |
| oiaohm | Just incase somewhere gets destoryed they learnt that from gangus karn. | Oct 07 15:10 |
| oiaohm | Few 1000 years before christ. | Oct 07 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhas_of_Bamyan | Oct 07 15:10 |
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| Omar871 | JPerlow: Second, he advocates Muslims to protect themselves. | Oct 07 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/archaeology/2001-03-22-afghan-buddhas.htm | Oct 07 15:10 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: like I keep telling oiaohm, read carefullt. | Oct 07 15:10 |
| Omar871 | carefully | Oct 07 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | Muslims are the enemy of everyone else | Oct 07 15:10 |
| Omar871 | And read the whole idea. | Oct 07 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | whether they realize it or not | Oct 07 15:11 |
| JPerlow | deamon: not non-extremists | Oct 07 15:11 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: One of the Phrophet's neighbors was jew, who used to throw rubbish and junk at his door. | Oct 07 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | when I go blow someone up or their culture or heritage, you can say I'm as bad as a Muslim | Oct 07 15:12 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: One day, the jew became sick. The prophet visited him. | Oct 07 15:12 |
| JPerlow | that is the same as "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" | Oct 07 15:12 |
| *Omar871 will be back. | Oct 07 15:12 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Those status are land marks. | Oct 07 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Even destoryed there marker point is still there. | Oct 07 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | uncultured swine are what blew them up | Oct 07 15:13 |
| oiaohm | They really were nothing more than large bits of art. | Oct 07 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | apologize for them all you like | Oct 07 15:13 |
| oiaohm | There were stories they they contained treasures. | Oct 07 15:14 |
| JPerlow | omar: I have no problem with muslim people. I just do not understand the inconsistency between the two parts of the text. | Oct 07 15:14 |
| oiaohm | So all we can presume is the musliems were gready. | Oct 07 15:14 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: what writing did the status contain. Threw out history buddhists have lost a lot of sites. | Oct 07 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: doesn't matter cause the Muslims wouldn't have stopped even if they did contain something totally irreplaceable | Oct 07 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Genghis khan burning the great libraries of the buddhists was a far more damaging event. | Oct 07 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | their religion is a feverish insanity | Oct 07 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Wood tablet libraries. | Oct 07 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Lucky he could be talked into seeing sence before destroying the last one. | Oct 07 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Buddhists store lots of information on medicial and other things gathered over time. | Oct 07 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Since they don't believe in any one book holding the all the answers. It makes perfect sence to Buddhist to archive important documents. | Oct 07 15:18 |
| oiaohm | To the Buddhists destoring the status provides a chance to rebuild better if that is fate choose to allow it. | Oct 07 15:19 |
| JPerlow | its funny how this channel becomes embroiled in religion and politics. | Oct 07 15:20 |
| JPerlow | well, maybe not funny. expected. | Oct 07 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Now this is the difference. Buddhists are minorally sad about the destruction. Mostly about the stupid people who did it. | Oct 07 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Now if someone destoryed a Muslime site it would be on for young and old. | Oct 07 15:20 |
| JPerlow | are you guys talking about the destruction of the large buddhist statues in iraq? | Oct 07 15:21 |
| JPerlow | or was it afghanistan | Oct 07 15:21 |
| oiaohm | afghanistan JPerlow | Oct 07 15:21 |
| JPerlow | right, still early | Oct 07 15:21 |
| JPerlow | yeah, that was awful | Oct 07 15:21 |
| oiaohm | The buddhist are currently collecting all the documents with pictures of them. | Oct 07 15:22 |
| oiaohm | And there are a lot of the accross time. | Oct 07 15:22 |
| JPerlow | you cannot blame the afghan people for that | Oct 07 15:22 |
| oiaohm | So if they get a chance to rebuild them they can. | Oct 07 15:22 |
| JPerlow | it was the taliban | Oct 07 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Heck there are temples of the buddhist that get ripped down each year and moved. | Oct 07 15:23 |
| oiaohm | Nothing is for ever. | Oct 07 15:23 |
| JPerlow | I am sure the damming of the yellow river in china flooded plenty | Oct 07 15:23 |
| JPerlow | that will never be seen again | Oct 07 15:23 |
| JPerlow | oiaohm: nothing is forever is a tenet of your faith, but it is still awful that it happened | Oct 07 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Its a chance to do better. | Oct 07 15:24 |
| oiaohm | No point being negitive about it. Negitive helps no one. | Oct 07 15:24 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Can you hear the gritting of the teeth behind this announcement? http://tinyurl.com/y8b8dw7 | Oct 07 15:25 | |
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| oiaohm | Yes you can see lot of buddhist in the way I see the world. JPerlow | Oct 07 15:25 |
| JPerlow | oiaohm: where do you live, taiwan? | Oct 07 15:26 |
| oiaohm | Australia | Oct 07 15:27 |
| JPerlow | you are chinese? | Oct 07 15:27 |
| oiaohm | No | Oct 07 15:27 |
| JPerlow | of indian extraction? | Oct 07 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Oct 07 15:28 |
| JPerlow | thai? | Oct 07 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Think all of europe that is were my famally tree traces to. | Oct 07 15:29 |
| JPerlow | and you're buddhist? | Oct 07 15:29 |
| JPerlow | by choice or by birth? | Oct 07 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: check out http://www.fsdaily.com/Legal/Amicus_Avalanche_Opposing_Software_Patents_in_the_United_States_Novell_Still_Missing | Oct 07 15:29 |
| oiaohm | So what is strange about. | Oct 07 15:29 |
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| JPerlow | oiaohm: because there are no native buddhist cultures in europe | Oct 07 15:30 |
| *schestowitz catches up | Oct 07 15:30 | |
| oiaohm | Buddhist is always by choice. My family is a mixture of Buddhist and Christians even in europe. | Oct 07 15:31 |
| JPerlow | ok, but is your family at all asian | Oct 07 15:31 |
| oiaohm | No | Oct 07 15:31 |
| JPerlow | then its entirely by choice | Oct 07 15:31 |
| oiaohm | We started off a fully christian along time back section of family went exploring and brought the ideas back. | Oct 07 15:32 |
| JPerlow | nothing wrong with that. | Oct 07 15:32 |
| JPerlow | still, quite interesting | Oct 07 15:33 |
| JPerlow | that is unusual | Oct 07 15:33 |
| JPerlow | you see asians becoming christians but not entire families of westerners becoming and staying buddhist. | Oct 07 15:33 |
| oiaohm | So my familly prac of praying in any christian church. | Oct 07 15:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] If you have a TV in the UK, please proudly pay your TV licence as I do. If not, here's now to tell TVL to just fuck off http://is.gd/42P01 | Oct 07 15:34 | |
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| JPerlow | do you practice zen? | Oct 07 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Sections of zen. | Oct 07 15:34 |
| oiaohm | We do have some monks in my family. Boy never underestmate budhist monks when the fell like party. | Oct 07 15:36 |
| JPerlow | I have a friend who is a monk. | Oct 07 15:36 |
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| JPerlow | she lives in canada. | Oct 07 15:36 |
| oiaohm | We do somethings have major conflits. Christian ministers sitting down with Buddhist monks at one table can be a recipe for trouble JPerlow | Oct 07 15:37 |
| JPerlow | in fact, the entire place runs on ubuntu. | Oct 07 15:37 |
| JPerlow | the entire monastary. | Oct 07 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Sounds typical | Oct 07 15:37 |
| JPerlow | I interviewed the man who installed it for them and lives there. | Oct 07 15:37 |
| JPerlow | wwzc.org | Oct 07 15:37 |
| schestowitz | I've come across stories of monastaries that run Ubuntu | Oct 07 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Probably not the same one | Oct 07 15:37 |
| trmanco | ping Omar871 | Oct 07 15:37 |
| oiaohm | That is normal for monastaries. They must justify every bit of expendured JPerlow | Oct 07 15:38 |
| JPerlow | http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=9704 | Oct 07 15:38 |
| oiaohm | with a good explaination why. | Oct 07 15:38 |
| oiaohm | You try creating a good explaination why that holds water for windows JPerlow | Oct 07 15:38 |
| JPerlow | I don't know how "normal" it is but I thought it was interesting enough to merit an interview | Oct 07 15:38 |
| oiaohm | There is 1 here I know that runs mac but its a odd one JPerlow | Oct 07 15:39 |
| JPerlow | well, it doesnt hold water for windows for the most part to be used by non for profit companies or organizations | Oct 07 15:39 |
| JPerlow | especially if they don't require specific applications that only windows can run or have interoperability needs. | Oct 07 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Buddhist value study of problems. Who else would spend 50 years studing how to make a good cup of tea JPerlow | Oct 07 15:40 |
| JPerlow | youre not going to get any argument from me there. | Oct 07 15:40 |
| JPerlow | oiaohm: the english? | Oct 07 15:41 |
| JPerlow | I think they've been doing it for about 300 years | Oct 07 15:41 |
| JPerlow | lol | Oct 07 15:41 |
| oiaohm | There is a monastarie of the buddhist that is decated to how to make a good cup of tea. The instructions are even caved in stone. | Oct 07 15:42 |
| JPerlow | what does he say? | Oct 07 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Its large. | Oct 07 15:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] why the Body Mass Index is odious unscientific bullshit. Resist assiduously. http://bit.ly/15TheX HT @urocyon | Oct 07 15:43 | |
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| oiaohm | Really about 8 pages of A4 about quality of ingrendence JPerlow | Oct 07 15:43 |
| JPerlow | if it starts with "put seeds in the ground" I can see how it might take awhile | Oct 07 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Like how to get the water pure enough. | Oct 07 15:43 |
| oiaohm | So the water does not effect the taste. | Oct 07 15:43 |
| JPerlow | I buy bottled water for coffee and tea. | Oct 07 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Yes it also covers growing the plants that is another section. | Oct 07 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Its quite a large book really. | Oct 07 15:45 |
| JPerlow | ok so its not about making a cup of tea, ita an entire treatise on tea | Oct 07 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Black and green tea have two different lots of instructions. | Oct 07 15:45 |
| JPerlow | sure, the temperatures and duration of brewing need to be different. | Oct 07 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Including growing conditions required even that they are the same plant. | Oct 07 15:46 |
| oiaohm | And they are two different monastarie | Oct 07 15:46 |
| oiaohm | I cannot remember 1 of them is improved by particular minerals being in the water to get better flavour release. | Oct 07 15:47 |
| JPerlow | I'm not going to attempt to grow tea anytime soon | Oct 07 15:47 |
| JPerlow | we don't exactly have the climate for it here in New York | Oct 07 15:48 |
| JPerlow | a few summers ago, we did, but not this last one | Oct 07 15:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UN warns of world war online < http://ping.fm/VIjqY > Botnets make use of non-Free software. | Oct 07 15:49 | |
| oiaohm | When you wake up how complex to get a perfect cup of tea is. It becomes clear no book could contain everything. | Oct 07 15:49 |
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| JPerlow | gm jono | Oct 07 15:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/10/07/apple_itab_suppliers/ | Oct 07 15:54 |
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| jono | howdy JPerlow | Oct 07 15:55 |
| JPerlow | I blew up my koala vm | Oct 07 15:56 |
| JPerlow | I need to re install it | Oct 07 15:56 |
| JPerlow | lol | Oct 07 15:57 |
| JPerlow | I tried running all the kubuntu and ubuntu packages simultaneously | Oct 07 15:57 |
| JPerlow | on one vm | Oct 07 15:57 |
| JPerlow | it worked for about a day until I rebooted it and the kernel wouldnt come up | Oct 07 15:57 |
| oiaohm | Ok ouch. | Oct 07 15:59 |
| oiaohm | What broke | Oct 07 16:00 |
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| JPerlow | not sure | Oct 07 16:04 |
| oiaohm | Kernel should still start. | Oct 07 16:05 |
| JPerlow | but the packages are being updated a lot | Oct 07 16:05 |
| JPerlow | and I am running virtualized | Oct 07 16:05 |
| JPerlow | so I might wait until release | Oct 07 16:05 |
| JPerlow | right now jaunty is behaving nice | Oct 07 16:05 |
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| Omar871 | schestowitz: Hi | Oct 07 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Oct 07 16:12 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Did they tell you? | Oct 07 16:12 |
| schestowitz | No, what exactly? | Oct 07 16:12 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: I attended the Microsoft event earlier today. | Oct 07 16:12 |
| schestowitz | You were going to tell me somehting | Oct 07 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Oct 07 16:12 |
| schestowitz | BTW: [15:29] <schestowitz> Omar871: check out http://www.fsdaily.com/Legal/Amicus_Avalanche_Opposing_Software_Patents_in_the_United_States_Novell_Still_Missing | Oct 07 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | Omar871: if there's a smoking gun, that would be something | Oct 07 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has the whole MSP routin | Oct 07 16:13 |
| schestowitz | For using kids as free labour | Oct 07 16:13 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: And I'm really pissed off, and I'm preparing for an article which I need your help in. | Oct 07 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: sure | Oct 07 16:13 |
| schestowitz | We can exchange info in IRC | Oct 07 16:14 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: My friends and colleagues are being indoctrinated, made soldiers man! | Oct 07 16:14 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: This war is no longer Software Freedom vs. Microsoft, it's Me vs. Microsoft now. :) | Oct 07 16:15 |
| JPerlow | omar: who do you write for? | Oct 07 16:16 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: I write for myself. and for the people around me. | Oct 07 16:16 |
| JPerlow | and your blog is | Oct 07 16:17 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: my blog is what? | Oct 07 16:17 |
| JPerlow | what is the url? | Oct 07 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: that fsdaily story is a vote short of front page | Oct 07 16:17 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: omarsflosscorner.blogspot.com | Oct 07 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: it's Microsoft against the digital majority | Oct 07 16:17 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: I'll do that. | Oct 07 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft+ecosystem vs the rest | Oct 07 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Like many imperialistic | Oct 07 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Like many imperialistic entities | Oct 07 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Countries can own their own IT and they should... with FS | Oct 07 16:18 |
| Omar871 | Which one? | Oct 07 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: see above URL | Oct 07 16:18 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: ok | Oct 07 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: they do this in other countries also | Oct 07 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Not unique to you | Oct 07 16:19 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Voted. | Oct 07 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Some poeple just don't realise it | Oct 07 16:19 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Yeah. | Oct 07 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Cause they are never shown the OTHER side of the story | Oct 07 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Example: "poor Microsoft employees getting laid off" | Oct 07 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Not shown: "Microsoft competitors driven out of business cause Microsoft broke the law" | Oct 07 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft controls the press | Oct 07 16:20 |
| schestowitz | So one-sided coverage is to be expected and people thus indocrtinated | Oct 07 16:20 |
| schestowitz | People are trained not to think anything but WIndows exist | Oct 07 16:20 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Some people have already been hypnotized so as to not even want to see the truth, even though it's setting right between their eyes. | Oct 07 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Such that they haven't qualms about promoting Microsoft at the expense of those who want autonomous digital sovereignty | Oct 07 16:21 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: I also fetched some a couple vidz and pics with my cellphone camera. | Oct 07 16:22 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Not so high in quality, yet pretty self-descriptive. | Oct 07 16:22 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: So, I'm gonna talk to you again soon so that we start writing the post, ok? | Oct 07 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: cool! | Oct 07 16:28 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: ;) | Oct 07 16:28 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: One thing I know for sure now is that, lots and lots of efforts are still to be done in order to bring that menace down. | Oct 07 16:29 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: So, what exactly is Amicus? | Oct 07 16:33 |
| JPerlow | it means friendly | Oct 07 16:34 |
| JPerlow | in latin | Oct 07 16:34 |
| bozo_ | as in Amicable | Oct 07 16:35 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: Yeah! That's true. Pretty much similar to Amigo in spanish. :) | Oct 07 16:35 |
| JPerlow | it means it is submitted as a non litigating party | Oct 07 16:35 |
| Omar871 | But I mean, what is the Amicus Avalanche case about? | Oct 07 16:35 |
| JPerlow | its not a case | Oct 07 16:35 |
| Omar871 | JP: What then? | Oct 07 16:36 |
| *schestowitz on phone | Oct 07 16:36 | |
| JPerlow | its various amicus briefs submitted on the issues of software patents | Oct 07 16:36 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: oh, okay. | Oct 07 16:36 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: So, those issues submitted by Red Hat, FSF and FSFE are called Amicus Avalanche? | Oct 07 16:37 |
| JPerlow | no they are amicus briefs. | Oct 07 16:37 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: oh okay. | Oct 07 16:37 |
| JPerlow | but everyone is saying because tehy are all being submitted at once its an avalance | Oct 07 16:37 |
| bozo_ | Yes, in means there are many of them. | Oct 07 16:37 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: Oh, good to know that. | Oct 07 16:38 |
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| Omar871 | bozo_: Like: Amicus Avalanche = A bunch of amicus briefs. | Oct 07 16:38 |
| bozo_ | yes | Oct 07 16:39 |
| Omar871 | bozo_: Thanks. | Oct 07 16:39 |
| bozo_ | a tidal wave of amicus briefs, a plefory | Oct 07 16:39 |
| bozo_ | prefora | Oct 07 16:39 |
| bozo_ | that word | Oct 07 16:39 |
| Omar871 | bozo_, JPerlow: I see. Thanks a lot for the clarification. | Oct 07 16:40 |
| JPerlow | need to reboot this vm. bbiab | Oct 07 16:40 |
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| JPerlow | I love virtualization. | Oct 07 16:41 |
| JPerlow | lol | Oct 07 16:41 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: It's cool. | Oct 07 16:42 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: But as long as Linux is the base OS. | Oct 07 16:43 |
| JPerlow | on this box, it isnt. | Oct 07 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Linux gone down.. by Patch Tuesday | Oct 07 16:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Soot clouds pose threat to Himalayan glaciers" http://ping.fm/LHt7f | Oct 07 16:50 | |
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| schestowitz | "And while Red Hat is a Unix-like platform with its Linux, “with Apple they couple the Unix reliability with a world-class user interface." http://www.securitydirectornews.com/?p=article&id=sd200910bJdm9 | Oct 07 16:58 |
| phIRCe | Title: Government going Apple? - Security Director News | The Business Newspaper for Security Practitioners .::. Size~: 55.98 KB | Oct 07 16:59 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | There's that "Apple=Easy" marketing tripe again | Oct 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | You can't make it behave as you need it to | Oct 07 16:59 |
| MinceR | it's pretty harsh to call the world apple-class | Oct 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Smells like an Apple advert | Oct 07 16:59 |
| MinceR | but perhaps it's true | Oct 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Watch the article | Oct 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | "Gettings said Apple and Unix/Linux are attractive to government customers because of reliability and ease of use. “It just runs,” he said of the Apple platform." | Oct 07 16:59 |
| schestowitz | I'm still reading it | Oct 07 16:59 |
| MinceR | it just runs...and does nothing else! | Oct 07 17:00 |
| schestowitz | "Gettings allowed that not every customer is going to be able to support Apple systems, but “we’ve been shipping on Red Hat Linux for years, so if they’re supporting a Linux environment, they won’t have any difficulty with Apple,” said Gettings. “Those that are on Windows, it is a bit of a hurdle. But we’ll have that same hurdle whether we’re offering a Dell with Linux or OSX on an Apple.”" | Oct 07 17:00 |
| schestowitz | My kde4 is easy to use | Oct 07 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I do something wrong | Oct 07 17:00 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it has d0shb0rd | Oct 07 17:00 |
| JPerlow | roy its all about needs | Oct 07 17:01 |
| JPerlow | and usage profile | Oct 07 17:01 |
| MinceR | yeah, the need for an expensive and shiny paperweight | Oct 07 17:01 |
| MinceR | that comes with its own cult | Oct 07 17:01 |
| JPerlow | mac is not a good solution at this time | Oct 07 17:01 |
| JPerlow | not on a cost basis | Oct 07 17:02 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: It never was. | Oct 07 17:02 |
| JPerlow | but i can understand why certain groups of users may be attracted to it | Oct 07 17:02 |
| MinceR | it never was a solution | Oct 07 17:02 |
| JPerlow | there are large groups of programmers within IBM that use mac | Oct 07 17:02 |
| JPerlow | they like the environment. | Oct 07 17:02 |
| schestowitz | [17:01] <JPerlow> roy its all about needs | Oct 07 17:02 |
| asdf_ | Hi guys. How did you mean that "The sad thing about that distribution is that it has a lot of non-Free things in it." line in that Stalman about SUSE article? afaik it's clearly seperated in an oss and non-oss repo. Or is the mere fact of having a non-oss one bad? | Oct 07 17:02 |
| schestowitz | [17:01] <JPerlow> and usage profile | Oct 07 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Agreed. | Oct 07 17:02 |
| Omar871 | JPerlow: 'coz they got lots of loot. | Oct 07 17:02 |
| schestowitz | That's why kde works for me | Oct 07 17:02 |
| schestowitz | It suit my own patterns | Oct 07 17:03 |
| schestowitz | It doesn;'t impose on me ONE menu bar | Oct 07 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Or click to focus | Oct 07 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Or one theme that makes me look like a part of a bunch | Oct 07 17:03 |
| schestowitz | So many desktops still run the Fisher Price XP GUI | Oct 07 17:03 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Speaking of the interface, Vista 7 is a mere KDE copy-paste. | Oct 07 17:03 |
| schestowitz | But with Widnows it's at least changeable | Oct 07 17:04 |
| JPerlow | asdf: any distribution that has non-free components in a repo or points to components you can get doesnt get on the FSF's recommended list. Period. | Oct 07 17:04 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: The firggin' exact same gadgets you use in KDE are totally cloned in Vista 7!! | Oct 07 17:04 |
| JPerlow | that is why ubuntu isnt on the list | Oct 07 17:04 |
| JPerlow | and fedora isnt on the list | Oct 07 17:04 |
| asdf_ | JPerlow: sure, I just didn't hear him bitching about e.g. Ubuntu. I guess most of them offer one so that claim is somehow extreme ... | Oct 07 17:04 |
| schestowitz | asdf_: JPerlow might know | Oct 07 17:04 |
| JPerlow | and debian isnt on the list. | Oct 07 17:04 |
| JPerlow | there is a list of FSF proscribed distributions on their web site. | Oct 07 17:05 |
| schestowitz | I like how he keeps secret his distro | Oct 07 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Linus used to do the same | Oct 07 17:05 |
| JPerlow | if you follow free software to the letter of the law, as dictated by FSF, then therefore, anything else is "unfortunate" | Oct 07 17:05 |
| schestowitz | But it's know that he used Fedora+GNOME on all machines now | Oct 07 17:06 |
| asdf_ | yeah well, those are somehow the minority to say it politely. imho as long as it is clearly seperated so one can avoid it if one wants is perfectly fine with me. | Oct 07 17:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @gkjohn: Star Wars Movie Crowdsourced http://ff.im/-9nQYW | Oct 07 17:06 | |
| phIRCe | Title: swissmiss | Star Wars Movie Crowdsourced .::. Size~: 12.54 KB | Oct 07 17:06 |
| schestowitz | With pine and terminal and micro emacs | Oct 07 17:06 |
| JPerlow | asdf: Free Software as an ideology is what it is. You either accept it or you don't. I don't accept it. | Oct 07 17:06 |
| schestowitz | I tried viewing Star Wars the other day. It's too boring. | Oct 07 17:07 |
| JPerlow | or rather, I like certain aspects of it, but I find it absolutely unrealistic to follow to the letter. | Oct 07 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Those who don't obey g to ghell | Oct 07 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Their consciousness gets routed to /dev/null/ | Oct 07 17:08 |
| JPerlow | schestowitz he uses gnewsense | Oct 07 17:08 |
| JPerlow | stallman, anyway | Oct 07 17:09 |
| asdf_ | well schestowitz, what distro do you use currently? | Oct 07 17:09 |
| schestowitz | right now kubuntu 9.10 | Oct 07 17:09 |
| asdf_ | schestowitz: heh, I guess then we see each other in hell then ;D | Oct 07 17:09 |
| asdf_ | as in buntu has a non-oss repo as well iirc, right? | Oct 07 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Bring lumber | Oct 07 17:09 |
| asdf_ | nah, marshmallows & bbq :D | Oct 07 17:10 |
| JPerlow | asdf: it by default installs a number of non-FREE stuff by the definition of FSF | Oct 07 17:10 |
| *schestowitz grabs marshmallow | Oct 07 17:10 | |
| schestowitz | marshmallow eternity | Oct 07 17:10 |
| JPerlow | asdf: youre mixing terminologies | Oct 07 17:10 |
| JPerlow | Open Source is not Free Software | Oct 07 17:10 |
| JPerlow | Open Source is a development model | Oct 07 17:10 |
| JPerlow | Free Software is an ideology | Oct 07 17:11 |
| asdf_ | JPerlow: as long as my alsa isn't happy without firmware I prefer to use non free stuff. | Oct 07 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Alas a moral one | Oct 07 17:11 |
| JPerlow | by definition, Free Software does not support the general pracices of Open Source, as in, what the OSI beleives in | Oct 07 17:11 |
| schestowitz | OSI has FS elements in it | Oct 07 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Like Michael | Oct 07 17:11 |
| JPerlow | asdf: Free Software has certain licenses that it considers compatible with its ideology | Oct 07 17:12 |
| asdf_ | JPerlow: not really. He (stalman) said that suse mixes oss with non-oss stuff which isn't true. The stuff is seperated in 2 different repos and it explicitly asks you during installation if it should install _2_ packages from the non-oss one (alsa-firmware and another one). So I fail to see how that is different e.g. from buntu. | Oct 07 17:12 |
| JPerlow | asdf: he does not endorse distributions which point to non-free materials. PERIOD. | Oct 07 17:13 |
| JPerlow | asdf: both FSF and OSI have licenses that conform to each's requirements | Oct 07 17:13 |
| JPerlow | some of them overlap. | Oct 07 17:13 |
| JPerlow | some of them do not. | Oct 07 17:14 |
| JPerlow | you either accept the FSF for what it does or you don't. | Oct 07 17:14 |
| JPerlow | I don't. | Oct 07 17:14 |
| JPerlow | I support the OSI and its initiativs. | Oct 07 17:14 |
| JPerlow | bleh. cant spell this morning. coffee. | Oct 07 17:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Self Service At Tesco With Windows Kiosks | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/ybrp8nh | Oct 07 17:15 | |
| asdf_ | JPerlow: that's ok. I was just wondering why he singled suse out since that "it mixes non-oss stuff in" isn't anymore true than e.g. for buntu and several others and was wondering if I'm missing something. | Oct 07 17:16 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm thinking I'll stick that XFX Geforce 9500 GT in this otherwise badass rig til some DirectX 11 hardware is out | Oct 07 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | no sense in dropping $150-ish on a DX 10.1 card when DX 11 ones are gonna be here soon | Oct 07 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | the one I have already supports DX 10.1 and OpenGL 3.2 | Oct 07 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | it is interesting to see the Nvidia/ATI price wars going on though, hopefully they'll have some DX 11 cards around the start of the year at around $100 | Oct 07 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | though if that's not the case, I may yet pick up a 9800 GTX if they clearance them out | Oct 07 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Oct 07 17:20 |
| JPerlow | asdf: he singled SUSE out because it is a product of a company he dispises | Oct 07 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have much against Suse, other than being bloated and slow in places | Oct 07 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | most of it is a good system | Oct 07 17:21 |
| JPerlow | because novell signed agreements with microsoft | Oct 07 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | JPerlow: Those agreements will eventually be gone | Oct 07 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | has any other software company that had it's own OS that partnered with Microsoft had good results? | Oct 07 17:22 |
| JPerlow | they will either get renewed, or novell will cease to exist as an independent entity | Oct 07 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | either Novell will be damaged and pull out while there's a company to save or they'll be ruined | Oct 07 17:23 |
| schestowitz | JPerlow: are you familiar with http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/ ? | Oct 07 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | either way the deal won't last more than a few more years | Oct 07 17:23 |
| phIRCe | Title: Primate Labs Geekbench .::. Size~: 8.49 KB | Oct 07 17:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think the only reason to single out suse is because its the worst distro ever produced | Oct 07 17:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | you'd have to go bring up things like gentoo to get any worse | Oct 07 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: Not the worst | Oct 07 17:23 |
| JPerlow | no, not familiar with it | Oct 07 17:23 |
| JPerlow | looks interersing though | Oct 07 17:23 |
| JPerlow | I don't do a ton of benchmarking. | Oct 07 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: Gentoo, Slackware, Foresight | Oct 07 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | there's some nasty ones | Oct 07 17:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | basically, its done by a bunch of people who've never used linux and think it should be more like a cross between windows and solaris | Oct 07 17:24 |
| schestowitz | JPerlow: seems like it may be Windows bised | Oct 07 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Maybe DaemonFC knows it | Oct 07 17:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | it has a very bad packaging policy, none of their shit works right, and its completely inferior to debian | Oct 07 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: What I hated most of Suse was that standard *nix utilities are not there by default | Oct 07 17:25 |
| JPerlow | lol | Oct 07 17:25 |
| schestowitz | This piece says nothing about what the test is: http://pcquest.ciol.com/content/topstories/2009/109100610.asp | Oct 07 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | I mean things like locate and slocate are not there | Oct 07 17:25 |
| phIRCe | Title: PCQuest : Top Stories : Does Windows 7 Boost Performance? .::. Size~: 35.79 KB | Oct 07 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Just cites some name | Oct 07 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Like Phoronix PTS | Oct 07 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I got my dad switched over to Ubuntu | Oct 07 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | He's got his laptop on it and is backing up his Suse desktop getting ready to format | Oct 07 17:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&c2coff=1&q=microsoft+Geekbench&aq=f&oq=&aqi= http://www.google.com/search?q=site:www.primatelabs.ca+microsoft+Geekbench&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Oct 07 17:26 |
| phIRCe | Title: microsoft Geekbench - Google Search .::. Size~: 26.32 KB | Oct 07 17:26 |
| phIRCe | Title: site:www.primatelabs.ca microsoft Geekbench - Google Search .::. Size~: 22.44 KB | Oct 07 17:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: he was on SUSE, right? | Oct 07 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Oct 07 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | OpenSuse, with ReiserFS partitions | Oct 07 17:27 |
| schestowitz | suse_userbase=suse_userbase--; | Oct 07 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | seriously wicked crap | Oct 07 17:27 |
| JPerlow | reiser was an brilliant programmer. | Oct 07 17:27 |
| schestowitz | SUSE was reiser's main backer | Oct 07 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | he got his HP Pavilion laptop with Suse preinstalled on it | Oct 07 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Who? Hans? j/k | Oct 07 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | but I handed him one of my 64-bit Ubuntu discs | Oct 07 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | HP also has RHEL Desktop | Oct 07 17:28 |
| trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Oct 07 17:28 |
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| DaemonFC | I like HP, you get a lot of system for the price, the downside is that sometimes they cut a corner or two | Oct 07 17:29 |
| trmanco | !google boycottnovell | Oct 07 17:29 |
| phIRCe | Boycottnovell.com | Truth about Novell, Mono, Moonlight ... | http://boycottnovell.com/ | Oct 07 17:29 |
| phIRCe | About the Site | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/about-the-site/ | Oct 07 17:29 |
| phIRCe | Linux.com :: Boycott Novell: Champion of freedom or den of paranoia? | http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/151215 | Oct 07 17:29 |
| phIRCe | The Curious Case of Boycott Novell | Armchair Theorist | http://armchairtheorist.com/2009/07/21/the-curious-case-of-boycott-novell/ | Oct 07 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | overall I've never had a reliability problem, but stay away from Compaq | Oct 07 17:29 |
| trmanco | :) | Oct 07 17:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: apt-get install kde-desktop | Oct 07 17:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/KDE-4-3-2-released--/news/114408 | Oct 07 17:30 |
| schestowitz | sudo !! | Oct 07 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | PC makers to stay away from are Gateway, Compaq, and lower end Dells | Oct 07 17:30 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: heh. You feed the Microsoft employee who attacks us | Oct 07 17:30 |
| trmanco | ? | Oct 07 17:30 |
| schestowitz | "TE" | Oct 07 17:30 |
| trmanco | where | Oct 07 17:30 |
| schestowitz | WOng | Oct 07 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | HP and eMachines are OK even though HP is the same company as Compaq and eMachines is budget Gateway | Oct 07 17:30 |
| trmanco | uh? | Oct 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Professional Shills | Oct 07 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | mid and high end Dells are alright | Oct 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | !google test | Oct 07 17:31 |
| phIRCe | Test.com Web Based Testing and Certification Software v2.0 | http://www.test.com/ | Oct 07 17:31 |
| phIRCe | Speakeasy - Speed Test | http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ | Oct 07 17:31 |
| phIRCe | Personality test based on Jung - Myers-Briggs typology | http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp | Oct 07 17:31 |
| phIRCe | NerdTests.com Fun Tests - Nerd Quiz | http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_nq.php | Oct 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | This would be handy! | Oct 07 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | !google tonic clonic seizure | Oct 07 17:31 |
| phIRCe | Tonic–clonic seizure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonic%25E2%2580%2593clonic_seizure | Oct 07 17:31 |
| phIRCe | Tonic-clonic Seizures | epilepsy.com | http://www.epilepsy.com/epilepsy/seizure_tonicclonic | Oct 07 17:31 |
| phIRCe | Generalized tonic-clonic seizure: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia | http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000695.htm | Oct 07 17:31 |
| phIRCe | Seizure Recognition: Tonic Clonic Seizures | http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/answerplace/Medical/seizures/types/genConvulsive/seizuretonic.cfm | Oct 07 17:31 |
| trmanco | !google microsoft is evil | Oct 07 17:31 |
| phIRCe | The Daily Poll: Is Microsoft Still Evil? | http://mashable.com/2008/02/27/microsoft-evil-poll/ | Oct 07 17:31 |
| phIRCe | Is Microsoft's Silverlight evil? • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/12/evil_silverlight/ | Oct 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | As long as it's !nsfw | Oct 07 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Oct 07 17:31 |
| phIRCe | BBspot - Microsoft Purchases Evil From Satan | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/MS_Buys_Evil.html | Oct 07 17:31 |
| phIRCe | Why Microsoft is evil@Everything2.com | http://everything2.com/title/Why%2BMicrosoft%2Bis%2Bevil | Oct 07 17:31 |
| trmanco | hmm | Oct 07 17:31 |
| trmanco | is safesearch of by default? | Oct 07 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Dunno | Oct 07 17:32 |
| trmanco | found bug | Oct 07 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | I honestly don't see what people see in Macs | Oct 07 17:32 |
| schestowitz | !google apple suycks | Oct 07 17:32 |
| phIRCe | iTunes Store - Brad Sucks - Out of It - Dropping Out of School | http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum%3Fi%3D291756026%26id%3D291755950%26s%3D143441 | Oct 07 17:32 |
| phIRCe | iTunes Store - Brad Sucks - I Don't Know What I'm Doing - Making ... | http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum%3Fi%3D74302068%26id%3D74302212%26s%3D143441 | Oct 07 17:32 |
| phIRCe | iTunes Store - Bum Kon - Drunken Sex Sucks | http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum%3Fid%3D278452837%26s%3D143441 | Oct 07 17:32 |
| phIRCe | Top 10 Reasons the Apple Dock Sucks | http://www.asktog.com/columns/044top10docksucks.html | Oct 07 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Darn. | Oct 07 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | a $2,000 iMac benched 3 times slower than the $800 HP Pavilion I just ordered | Oct 07 17:32 |
| schestowitz | You buy the hardware | Oct 07 17:33 |
| schestowitz | You can run Linux on it | Oct 07 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Design people love the 'style' | Oct 07 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not buying some crappy slow overpriced Mac to put Linux on it | Oct 07 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Some love the GUI, but Linux can replicate this | Oct 07 17:33 |
| schestowitz | The themes were made simple to install _years_ ago in gnome and kde alike | Oct 07 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | you're really just paying 400% premium for a really slow PC | Oct 07 17:34 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Parents given jail terms for relying on prayers to save dying daughter http://tinyurl.com/yeas3ea | Oct 07 17:34 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: marketing assumes this | Oct 07 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Linux runs on Macs, but you're crazy if you buy a Mac with that intention | Oct 07 17:34 |
| schestowitz | People still pay $75 for a pair of Nike | Oct 07 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Which based on my experience wears out faster | Oct 07 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | you can piece together a ~$400 PC to run Linux on that blows past the $2,000 Mac | Oct 07 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | the Mac is just a waste of $1600 | Oct 07 17:35 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13880_3-10369192-68.html | Oct 07 17:36 |
| phIRCe | Title: Free disk-imaging utility avoids Windows reinstalls | Workers' Edge - CNET News .::. Size~: 80.07 KB | Oct 07 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | !google conspicuous consumption | Oct 07 17:36 |
| phIRCe | Conspicuous consumption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspicuous_consumption | Oct 07 17:36 |
| phIRCe | The Theory of the Leisure Class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_of_the_Leisure_Class | Oct 07 17:36 |
| phIRCe | Modern History Sourcebook: Thorstein Veblen: Conspicuous ... | http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1902veblen00.html | Oct 07 17:36 |
| phIRCe | What is Conspicuous Consumption? | http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-conspicuous-consumption.htm | Oct 07 17:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: some people have money to spare | Oct 07 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Oct 07 17:36 |
| schestowitz | It makes them feel like they are worth mre | Oct 07 17:36 |
| schestowitz | As the Loreal slogan goes (IIRC) | Oct 07 17:36 |
| schestowitz | "Because you're worth it!" | Oct 07 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Tell them I'll be happy to take their excess cash | Oct 07 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Very snobby and stupifying motto | Oct 07 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | all of it that they can't stand to be around | Oct 07 17:37 |
| schestowitz | People love buying $2000 suits to feel more confident | Oct 07 17:37 |
| schestowitz | THey can enumerate (keep score) of their appearance using value | Oct 07 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have the PC which costs less than half and is over 3 times faster | Oct 07 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | who cares if it has an Apple logo? | Oct 07 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | what a bunch of douchebags | Oct 07 17:38 |
| schestowitz | They come to the party and compare price (not worth) of suits to compare one another | Oct 07 17:38 |
| schestowitz | It's like some kind of "penis envy" thing. Just see the Mac ads | Oct 07 17:38 |
| schestowitz | The message they get across is that the yob is better than business people cause he paid extra for a Mac | Oct 07 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: what's funny is when some snobby Mac person uses your PC and it's just so much faster than their Mac | Oct 07 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | and they actually admit it | Oct 07 17:38 |
| schestowitz | I don't think they run much | Oct 07 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | had it happen and it was a $600 HP Pavilion PC | Oct 07 17:39 |
| schestowitz | I never see a Mac with 20 apps open | Oct 07 17:39 |
| schestowitz | multiple desktops is a new addition to them (circa 1008) | Oct 07 17:39 |
| trmanco | http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxsearch/documentation/ | Oct 07 17:39 |
| phIRCe | Title: Developer's Guide - Google AJAX Search API - Google Code .::. Size~: 56.87 KB | Oct 07 17:39 |
| schestowitz | *2008 | Oct 07 17:39 |
| trmanco | there is the guide | Oct 07 17:39 |
| trmanco | :) | Oct 07 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | what really kills these OEM systems is all the crapware like Norton | Oct 07 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | if I had a dollar for every time I killed a piece of OEM crapware.... | Oct 07 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | half the time, Norton is hardware to get rid of than the virus | Oct 07 17:40 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I got one for you. What's the difference between Norton and a virus? .... One installs itself in several pieces, won't give up control of the system without a fight, and holds the system ransom demanding money, and the other one at least gave you some free porn | Oct 07 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 07 17:41 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2009/10/juniper-joins-the-nyse.html | Oct 07 17:41 |
| schestowitz | It's run by two Microsoft executives now | Oct 07 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Norton is trouble | Oct 07 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Solution that's a problem ins search of another | Oct 07 17:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bingoparadise.co.uk/bingo-news/bogof-bingo-bet365 | Oct 07 17:43 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: So now, from the way I see it, MS are all most done tightening their grep around Yarmouk University, and they're basically after JUST now. | Oct 07 17:43 |
| phIRCe | Title: Bogof Bingo at Bet365 .::. Size~: 23.13 KB | Oct 07 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Bingo Linux? | Oct 07 17:43 |
| schestowitz | wtf? | Oct 07 17:43 |
| schestowitz | "Two Lines or a Full House on either of the 6pm or 10.30pm Bingo Linux games and Bet365 will double your win." | Oct 07 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Seems like a trademark issue | Oct 07 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: maybe they'll sent Ramji over to give a talk to JUST :-) | Oct 07 17:44 |
| schestowitz | They tried it with US LUGs | Oct 07 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Embrace and extend | Oct 07 17:44 |
| schestowitz | He quit | Oct 07 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Being a snake wasn't fun to him | Oct 07 17:44 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Too bad there are no free thinking in YU to resist this misery. | Oct 07 17:44 |
| schestowitz | The LUGs hated him and resented Microsoft's attempt to take over LUGs | Oct 07 17:45 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: By didn't Ramji leave? | Oct 07 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 07 17:45 |
| Omar871 | But* | Oct 07 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Oct 07 17:45 |
| schestowitz | They'll find some other sellout to play that role | Oct 07 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Zonker sold out to Novell | Oct 07 17:45 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Maybe they'll send de Icaza now. :) | Oct 07 17:45 |
| schestowitz | JPerlow knows Zonker better | Oct 07 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Omar871: I hope | Oct 07 17:46 |
| schestowitz | That'll be good for us | Oct 07 17:46 |
| schestowitz | We'll know where Judas stands | Oct 07 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Many people want him to just work for Microsoft | Oct 07 17:46 |
| schestowitz | He's more effective to Microsoft inside FOSS | Oct 07 17:46 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: I have a feeling it's de Icaza. There's almost no one else left on the stage better than him for this role. | Oct 07 17:46 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: True. | Oct 07 17:47 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: He's an idiot. | Oct 07 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Norton products used to be good, but that was long ago | Oct 07 17:47 |
| *Omar871 will be back in a couple of hours. | Oct 07 17:47 | |
| DaemonFC | the last thing I bought was SystemWorks 98 which trashed my copy of Win98 | Oct 07 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | I was so irate I kept calling them til they refunded my money | Oct 07 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Speaking of Nortin, I got a kick a few hours ago watching a professor taking like half a minute to open a PNG I sent him | Oct 07 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | my aunt is stuck working at this place with some idiot IT Nazi | Oct 07 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Windows doesn't really support PNG in the same way | Oct 07 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | Some Photoshop kicked in | Oct 07 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | who demands Norton or McAfee | Oct 07 17:49 |
| schestowitz | What a hog that program must be | Oct 07 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Windows supports PNG | Oct 07 17:49 |
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| DaemonFC | I can open a PNG with Windows 2000, your professor can't double click? | Oct 07 17:50 |
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| trmanco | !google microsoft is evil | Oct 07 17:51 |
| phIRCe | The Daily Poll: Is Microsoft Still Evil? | http://mashable.com/2008/02/27/microsoft-evil-poll/ | Oct 07 17:51 |
| phIRCe | Is Microsoft's Silverlight evil? • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/12/evil_silverlight/ | Oct 07 17:51 |
| phIRCe | BBspot - Microsoft Purchases Evil From Satan | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/4/MS_Buys_Evil.html | Oct 07 17:51 |
| phIRCe | Why Microsoft is evil@Everything2.com | http://everything2.com/title/Why%2BMicrosoft%2Bis%2Bevil | Oct 07 17:51 |
| trmanco | there you go | Oct 07 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | Windows image/fax preview opens them per default, but you can right click and click Edit and Windows will open whatever program is registered to edit the image | Oct 07 17:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: not in the same way | Oct 07 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | plenty of freeware for that | Oct 07 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Transparency and all | Oct 07 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Paint.Net, Gimp, etc. | Oct 07 17:52 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: enumerate the results maybe | Oct 07 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure Vista Paint supports alpha transparency | Oct 07 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | not sure about XP | Oct 07 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | 7 does it | Oct 07 17:52 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: like what | Oct 07 17:52 |
| schestowitz | "(1)" | Oct 07 17:52 |
| trmanco | maybe [1] :-P | Oct 07 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | MSIE is comically bad though, so he may have tried opening it with that | Oct 07 17:53 |
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| DaemonFC | MSIE only supports PNG transparency as of version 7 | Oct 07 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, that would make it more readable | Oct 07 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | lots of universities probably still use IE 6 per the IT Czar | Oct 07 17:54 |
| trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Oct 07 17:54 |
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| trmanco | !google test | Oct 07 17:54 |
| phIRCe | [1] Test.com Web Based Testing and Certification Software v2.0 | http://www.test.com/ | Oct 07 17:54 |
| phIRCe | [1] Speakeasy - Speed Test | http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ | Oct 07 17:54 |
| phIRCe | [1] Personality test based on Jung - Myers-Briggs typology | http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp | Oct 07 17:54 |
| phIRCe | [1] NerdTests.com Fun Tests - Nerd Quiz | http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_nq.php | Oct 07 17:54 |
| trmanco | oops | Oct 07 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'd suggest beating him with a clue stick til he can find his way around Windows, it's not brain surgery | Oct 07 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 07 17:55 |
| trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Oct 07 17:55 |
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| trmanco | !google test | Oct 07 17:55 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Test.com Web Based Testing and Certification Software v2.0 | http://www.test.com/ | Oct 07 17:55 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Speakeasy - Speed Test | http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ | Oct 07 17:55 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Personality test based on Jung - Myers-Briggs typology | http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp | Oct 07 17:55 |
| phIRCe | [5] - NerdTests.com Fun Tests - Nerd Quiz | http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_nq.php | Oct 07 17:55 |
| trmanco | ... | Oct 07 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | most computer problems sit in the chair in front of the keyboard | Oct 07 17:56 |
| trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Oct 07 17:56 |
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| trmanco | it should be right now | Oct 07 17:56 |
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| DaemonFC | mmhm | Oct 07 17:56 |
| trmanco | !google test | Oct 07 17:56 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Test.com Web Based Testing and Certification Software v2.0 | http://www.test.com/ | Oct 07 17:56 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Speakeasy - Speed Test | http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ | Oct 07 17:56 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Personality test based on Jung - Myers-Briggs typology | http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp | Oct 07 17:56 |
| phIRCe | [4] - NerdTests.com Fun Tests - Nerd Quiz | http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_nq.php | Oct 07 17:56 |
| trmanco | this json stuff is robust | Oct 07 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | I've decided to repurpose the 500 GB hard disk from that trashed Gateway system for FreeBSD on my new system | Oct 07 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently Windows 7 supports SLI/Crossfire between two different types or brands of video card | Oct 07 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | I might test out how that works since I have a spare PCI-E x16 slot | Oct 07 17:58 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: great job | Oct 07 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | Something tells me it won't work as advertised | Oct 07 17:59 |
| trmanco | thanks | Oct 07 17:59 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: let's not delve into Vista 7 marketing | Oct 07 17:59 |
| schestowitz | There's enough of this paid-for fluff in the 'news' | Oct 07 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what Linux will do when it sees them | Oct 07 18:00 |
| schestowitz | [disclosure: Microsoft sent us an early copy to review] | Oct 07 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | they did? | Oct 07 18:00 |
| schestowitz | With Free software there can't be schwag | Oct 07 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Cause it's usually free (gratis) | Oct 07 18:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/10/07/email-open-rates-up-18 | Oct 07 18:01 |
| phIRCe | Title: Email Open Rates Up 18% | WebProNews .::. Size~: 30.39 KB | Oct 07 18:01 |
| schestowitz | !google trmanco | Oct 07 18:01 |
| phIRCe | [1] - trmanco.com | http://trmanco.com/ | Oct 07 18:01 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Tony Manco (trmanco) - Identi.ca | http://identi.ca/trmanco | Oct 07 18:01 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Tony Manco (trmanco) on Twitter | http://twitter.com/trmanco | Oct 07 18:01 |
| phIRCe | [4] - trmanco on deviantART | http://trmanco.deviantart.com/ | Oct 07 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | disclaimer: I have no Microsoft freebies at all | Oct 07 18:01 |
| trmanco | LOL | Oct 07 18:01 |
| trmanco | you stalker you :-P | Oct 07 18:01 |
| schestowitz | !google microsoft bribes | Oct 07 18:01 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Microsoft bribes apple staff - The Inquirer | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1534311/microsoft-bribes-apple-staff | Oct 07 18:01 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Microsoft bribes Apple retail managers and staff | CEOWORLD Magazine | http://ceoworld.biz/ceo/2009/09/22/microsoft-bribes-apple-retail-managers-and-staff/ | Oct 07 18:01 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Slashdot | Microsoft Bribing Bloggers With Laptops | http://slashdot.org/articles/06/12/27/1423234.shtml | Oct 07 18:01 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Microsoft bribes again? - Computerworld Blogs | http://blogs.computerworld.com/microsoft_bribes_again | Oct 07 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | when you see me in a Windows hat drinking out of my Windows mug wearing my Windows underwear, you can call me Chris Pirillo | Oct 07 18:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://bit.ly/2QShUm Is totally great! Going to record the kids as voices for my TomTom :) | Oct 07 18:02 | |
| phIRCe | Title: GNU/Linux and the TomTom ONE .::. Size~: 11.55 KB | Oct 07 18:02 |
| schestowitz | !google jack thompson troll | Oct 07 18:02 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Industry Rant: Video Game Censor Troll Jack Thompson Is A Good Guy? | http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Industry-Rant-Video-Game-Censor-Troll-Jack-Thompson-Is-A-Good-Guy-18716.html | Oct 07 18:02 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Jack Thompson Sues Facebook ... | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/10/01/0315246/Jack-Thompson-Sues-Facebook-For-40M%3Ffrom%3Drss | Oct 07 18:02 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Bungie.net : Off Topic: The Flood : Obvious Troll is Obvious ... | http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx%3FpostID%3D37029712 | Oct 07 18:02 |
| phIRCe | [4] - demotivational posters - Trolls - They support Jack Hitle- I mean ... | http://www.motivatedphotos.com/%3Fid%3D25912 | Oct 07 18:02 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: he doesn't have underwear | Oct 07 18:03 |
| schestowitz | He has soft wear | Oct 07 18:03 |
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| DaemonFC | Jack Thompson is irrelevant because video game industry is filthy rich and will keep giving generously to congressional and senatorial election campaign funds | Oct 07 18:03 |
| schestowitz | http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ZN15fhwGTrhOHM:http://api.ning.com/files/Q6ATQ518EysDvtc8HcfBGMooEiVDcnt0SWS*q0NnIRXaaitFO8mqcYymJdumtJ01yIXJ4hMSUA0jcwKbZuiFPdC-mK7yrKEu/pirilloalaska.jpg | Oct 07 18:03 |
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| DaemonFC | and because he's a moron and a stooge and is so insane he's been banned from filing any more motions in the state of Florida | Oct 07 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | for handing the judge gay porn | Oct 07 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Pirillo in Alaska with Palin: http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:J1fKDmAufHzwCM:http://api.ning.com/files/f3IDSqLIV2T6ITbJVtYdDzgNUydMF5obrESWBjRrdObMVZAZFbUTdu19pAWkAWR1FOp4kQGkC8*Rlame4JxegNAf3nIfjj7a/pirilloalaska.jpg | Oct 07 18:05 |
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| DaemonFC | !google jack thompson gay porn | Oct 07 18:05 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Jack Thompson submits gay porn to court -- judge not amused | http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/26/jack-thompson-submits-gay-porn-to-court-judge-not-amused/ | Oct 07 18:05 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Jack Thompson might go down in gay porn shocker • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/28/thompson_gay_porn/ | Oct 07 18:05 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Jack Thompson reprimanded for attaching gay porn in lawsuit | http://digg.com/gaming_news/Jack_Thompson_reprimanded_for_attaching_gay_porn_in_lawsuit | Oct 07 18:05 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Slashdot | Jack Thompson Includes Gay Porn With Court Filing | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl%3Fsid%3D07/09/26/185247 | Oct 07 18:05 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 07 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Oct 07 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | Florida jusges should therefore also ban Pirillo: http://jchutchins.net/site/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/hottie_pirillo.png | Oct 07 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | What's this guy's problem? | Oct 07 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Hugging a keyboard in his Web site..... | Oct 07 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Now getting naked for a shot with his laptop. | Oct 07 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | Pirillo is becoming less a Windows shill and more of a Mac shill lately | Oct 07 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Compuphila | Oct 07 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they send him stuff | Oct 07 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | still takes ample time to bag on Linux for no good reason | Oct 07 18:07 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft will be piss poor if they can't charge for Vista 7 more than 50 bucks | Oct 07 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I get the upgrade disc free with this computer I ordered | Oct 07 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | so does it count as a Win7 sale or a Vista sale? | Oct 07 18:08 |
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| schestowitz | maybe both | Oct 07 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Whichever Microsoft wants | Oct 07 18:09 |
| schestowitz | That's what they did with XP | Oct 07 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | I would have gotten one without Vista on it except that none of the Linux shops do easy pay/0% financing | Oct 07 18:09 |
| schestowitz | They counted XP as 2 Vista sales | Oct 07 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | certainly not without a credit check | Oct 07 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | I would have gotten so raped with financing that it would have cost me $200+ more to avoid Vista | Oct 07 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Someone just mailed me this: "Microsoft Jack on malware" | Oct 07 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | that's if someone did approve it | Oct 07 18:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 07 18:10 |
| schestowitz | 'Stepping up the work for consumers who are unable or unwilling to pay | Oct 07 18:10 |
| schestowitz | for protection is what it's about,' | Oct 07 18:10 |
| schestowitz | "with the move to social engineering attacks, there isn't a technical | Oct 07 18:10 |
| schestowitz | fix that would remove the malware problem completely" | Oct 07 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Get the msg, the malware infestation is caused by social engineering | Oct 07 18:10 |
| schestowitz | and not defects in the underlying platform. | Oct 07 18:10 |
| schestowitz | "Windows 7 and IE8 represent a huge advance on Windows XP and IE6, | Oct 07 18:10 |
| schestowitz | from that point of view. Whether that will be enough remains to be | Oct 07 18:10 |
| schestowitz | seen" | Oct 07 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Remember when XP was supposed final thing in security. And the article | Oct 07 18:10 |
| schestowitz | managed to not mention Vista, the one that didn't need a firewall or | Oct 07 18:10 |
| schestowitz | antivirus ... | Oct 07 18:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/30/microsoft-security-essentials-internet-explorer-8 | Oct 07 18:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 07 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | I've been using Security Essentials | Oct 07 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | I've used it on my own PC and to decontaminate some pwned "Norton-protected" systems | Oct 07 18:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/1043_signs.jpg | Oct 07 18:12 |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 07 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | usually the malware cripples Norton but allows enough of it to keep working that Windows thinks it is still functioning | Oct 07 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | then proceeds to shutdown Windows Firewall and corrupt Windows Updates | Oct 07 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | even if you clear the infection, Windows can remain damaged and require a format/reinstall | Oct 07 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | once the malware gets in, it's probably all over | Oct 07 18:13 |
| schestowitz | 340 comments-> http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_exchange_to_abandon_failed_windows_platform | Oct 07 18:14 |
| phIRCe | Title: London Stock Exchange to abandon failed Windows platform - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 134.36 KB | Oct 07 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Gentoo Linux anniversary LiveDVD 10.0 | Oct 07 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Nice cover | Oct 07 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | usually, the only point in disinfecting a Windows system is to make it functional enough to salvage data before formatting | Oct 07 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's a nice profitable vicious cycle that computer repair shops prey on the free roaming stupid with | Oct 07 18:17 |
| schestowitz | "Update: Looks like Photoshop Disaster's ISP caved to a similar notice." | Oct 07 18:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/06/the-criticism-that-r.html | Oct 07 18:18 |
| phIRCe | Title: The criticism that Ralph Lauren doesn't want you to see! .::. Size~: 330.15 KB | Oct 07 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Let's put Ralph on a deadly diet | Oct 07 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Until he looks like this photoshopped/GIMPed model :-) | Oct 07 18:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/10/audi-etron/ | Oct 07 18:19 |
| phIRCe | Title: Watch Out, Tesla, Audis e-Tron Is Coming | Autopia | Wired.com .::. Size~: 80.88 KB | Oct 07 18:20 |
| schestowitz | http://philosecurity.org/2009/09/07/what-does-dhs-know-about-you | Oct 07 18:20 |
| phIRCe | Title: philosecurity » Blog Archive » What Does DHS Know About You? .::. Size~: 44.78 KB | Oct 07 18:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/06/unisys_reverse_split/ | Oct 07 18:21 |
| phIRCe | Title: Unisys announces 10-to-1 stock compression • The Register .::. Size~: 24.39 KB | Oct 07 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Pontiac not out of business yet? http://jalopnik.com/5375647/exclusive-delorean-motor-company-contemplating-building-pontiac-solstice | Oct 07 18:22 |
| phIRCe | Title: EXCLUSIVE: DeLorean Motor Company Contemplating Building Pontiac Solstice - Pontiac Solstice - Jalopnik .::. Size~: 61.76 KB | Oct 07 18:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cdapress.com/articles/2009/10/07/business/bus01.txt | Oct 07 18:22 |
| schestowitz | "Researchers at the University of Idaho have created a single computer chip more powerful than 17,000 Intel quad core processors that runs on .03 percent of the power those chips would require." | Oct 07 18:22 |
| phIRCe | Title: Less is more - Coeur d'Alene Press Newspaper - Local and National News - Kootenai County, Idaho .::. Size~: 43.54 KB | Oct 07 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Sounds fake | Oct 07 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Fake figures? | Oct 07 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Like that kid who was claimed to have stored a lot of data on a piece of paper... | Oct 07 18:23 |
| JPerlow | sad to watch that happen to unisys | Oct 07 18:24 |
| schestowitz | === | Oct 07 18:24 |
| schestowitz | > "The software company's head of consumer security discusses its free | Oct 07 18:24 |
| schestowitz | > anti-virus service, Internet Explorer 8 and the decline of phishing" | Oct 07 18:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 07 18:24 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/30/microsoft-security-essentials-internet-explorer-8 | Oct 07 18:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 07 18:24 |
| schestowitz | > "Massive Phishing Campaign Hits Multiple Email Services" | Oct 07 18:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 07 18:24 |
| schestowitz | > http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/07/1616236/Massive-Phishing-Campaign-Hits-Multiple-Email-Services | Oct 07 18:24 |
| phIRCe | Title: Slashdot Technology Story | Massive Phishing Campaign Hits Multiple Email Services .::. Size~: 73.29 KB | Oct 07 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Jack does MS PR/adverts. Better to ignore him. Like the company he covers, he's a dinosair. | Oct 07 18:24 |
| schestowitz | = | Oct 07 18:25 |
| schestowitz | JPerlow: Microsoft goes the same way as Unisyste | Oct 07 18:25 |
| schestowitz | I read it somewhere | Oct 07 18:25 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Oct 07 18:25 |
| schestowitz | !google perlow unisys microsoft | Oct 07 18:25 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Microsoft: Litigate on FAT, and you'll be the next Unisys | Tech ... | http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/%3Fp%3D9594 | Oct 07 18:25 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Jason Perlow - LinkedIn | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jason-perlow/1/4b7/144 | Oct 07 18:25 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Unisys: Definition and additional resources from ZDNet | http://dictionary.zdnet.com/definition/unisys.html | Oct 07 18:25 |
| phIRCe | [4] - TomTom Case is Closed, But the Fight Over FAT Can Hurt Microsoft ... | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/04/tomtom-case-is-concluded/ | Oct 07 18:25 |
| JPerlow | well, unisys was once a big service provider for MS | Oct 07 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Heh. BoycottNovell at #4 | Oct 07 18:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jason-perlow/1/4b7/144 | Oct 07 18:26 |
| schestowitz | # The Greater IBM Connection: IBM's alumni program for past and present IBM employees | Oct 07 18:26 |
| phIRCe | Title: Jason Perlow - LinkedIn .::. Size~: 23.45 KB | Oct 07 18:26 |
| schestowitz | # Unisys - Ever Worked - Employees and Contractors Unisys - Ever Worked - Employees and Contractors | Oct 07 18:26 |
| schestowitz | # Unisys Reconnected Unisys Reconnected | Oct 07 18:27 |
| JPerlow | what is this, an inquisition? lol | Oct 07 18:28 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 07 18:28 |
| schestowitz | g2g bbl | Oct 07 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, some guy was bragging about buying a Core i7 to me a while back | Oct 07 18:29 |
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| DaemonFC | looks like they're about $600 and only about 20% faster than a $170 Phenom II X4 | Oct 07 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | so for 350% the price you get a 20% performance improvement | Oct 07 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like money well spent :P | Oct 07 18:30 |
| JPerlow | for me its all about the cache on the cpu and how much memory | Oct 07 18:32 |
| JPerlow | and to some extent number of cores | Oct 07 18:32 |
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| DaemonFC | JPerlow: Can never have too many cores | Oct 07 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | I'd take more cores before higher clock | Oct 07 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | or amount of cache | Oct 07 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | within reason | Oct 07 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | the kind of workload people are running now calls for a CPU that's more like a set of stream processors | Oct 07 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | having one or two brutishly powerful cores will only get you so far | Oct 07 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | spawning worker threads that each do a small amount of a larger problem on their own dedicated core is where it's all going, like the Cell | Oct 07 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | the desktop version will likely be x86-64 based though | Oct 07 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | JPerlow: It's like saying, you can have 2, 3, or 4 really strong really tough construction workers working on ripping up and repaving a road or you can have 100 averagely built guys | Oct 07 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | the 100 guys would probably still get done much faster | Oct 07 18:42 |
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| DaemonFC | eventually, I think you'll see one or two really fast x86 cores breaking up a workload and feeding it to 100 stream processors | Oct 07 18:44 |
| bozo_ | 128 stream processors. 2 for every bit of the data buss | Oct 07 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | but more importantly, things like GPUs will become heavy lifters with OpenCL and DirectX Compute | Oct 07 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | as usual, what is a $15,000 computer now will be the $800 special in 5 years | Oct 07 18:48 |
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| JPerlow | actually I feel the x86 architecture is an evolutionary dead end. | Oct 07 18:57 |
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| DaemonFC | I cancelled the HP desktop :P | Oct 07 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | *canceled | Oct 07 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/view.2/app.detail/params.CM_SCID.coll.item.E206688.desc.ZT-Affinity-7329Ma-Desktop-PC-wAMD-Phenom-IIx4945-QuadCore | Oct 07 19:12 |
| phIRCe | Title: ZT Affinity 7329Ma Desktop PC w/AMD Phenom IIx4945 Quad-Core - QVC.com .::. Size~: 106.93 KB | Oct 07 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | got that instead | Oct 07 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | got to keep your eyes out for the best deal | Oct 07 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | this system is about 20% faster and $200 cheaper and not a nightmare to upgrade | Oct 07 19:18 |
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| DaemonFC | now that I saved some $$$s, off to find a GPU | Oct 07 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, made in USA | Oct 07 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | sweet | Oct 07 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | you don't see that with HP | Oct 07 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | Taiwan and China maybe | Oct 07 19:24 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] could a dentist really endorse FLOSS Weekly or would it need to be a daily show? | Oct 07 19:26 | |
| DaemonFC | think I'll get the RadeonHD 4670 | Oct 07 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure that 300 Watt PSU culd handle it | Oct 07 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | the entire load of the system as is shouldn't be more than 140-150 Watts anyway | Oct 07 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | no way the card would use over 60 | Oct 07 19:42 |
| Omar871 | Hi all. | Oct 07 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | heh, I was off by 1 watt | Oct 07 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | it uses 59 watts | Oct 07 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'm good B-) | Oct 07 19:54 |
| trmanco | http://qt.nokia.com/doc/4.5/index.html | Oct 07 19:56 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] in further news, chiropractors continue not only to be fraudulent slanderous scum, but failed fraudulent slanderous scum http://is.gd/438Yx | Oct 07 20:07 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Sense About Science | Complaint about Simon Singh and the Keep Libel Laws out of Science campaign .::. Size~: 26.4 KB | Oct 07 20:07 |
| trmanco | !google qt designer ubuntu | Oct 07 20:07 |
| phIRCe | [1] - QT-Designer? - Ubuntu Forums | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php%3Ft%3D124728 | Oct 07 20:07 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Qt Designer - Popular ideas - Ubuntu brainstorm | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/qt-designer/ | Oct 07 20:07 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Idea sandbox - Ubuntu brainstorm | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/qt-designer/ideas_in_preparation/ | Oct 07 20:07 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Qt-interest Archive - qt4 designer looks so ugly in ubuntu | http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2007-04/msg00667.html | Oct 07 20:07 |
| trmanco | :D | Oct 07 20:07 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Oct 07 20:07 |
| trmanco | hello | Oct 07 20:07 |
| Omar871 | hey | Oct 07 20:09 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Today I learned how to parse Json in PHP... great stuff :D | Oct 07 20:13 | |
| schestowitz | 2006: Miguel says "Mono" instead of "GNOME" (around minute 10): http://www.twit.tv/floss5 | Oct 07 20:22 |
| phIRCe | Title: The TWiT Netcast Network with Leo Laporte .::. Size~: 22.77 KB | Oct 07 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | !google miguel | Oct 07 20:24 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Miguel de Icaza | http://tirania.org/blog/ | Oct 07 20:24 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Miguel on MySpace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music ... | http://www.myspace.com/miguel | Oct 07 20:24 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Miguel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel | Oct 07 20:24 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Police say Detroit Tigers first baseman Miguel Cabrera scratched ... | http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story%3Fid%3D4532687 | Oct 07 20:24 |
| schestowitz | !google miguel .net orlowski | Oct 07 20:25 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Gnome to be based on .NET [The Register] | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5446338063.html | Oct 07 20:25 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Teresa Orlowski Torrent Download And Streaming - SUMOTorrent.com | http://www.sumotorrent.com/en/search/teresa%2Borlowski.html | Oct 07 20:25 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Techmeme: SpinVox: Patricia Russo joins, quits almost immediately ... | http://www.techmeme.com/090818/p49 | Oct 07 20:25 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Codango: ASP.NET Scripting Comparison - ASP.NET code, control ... | http://www.codango.com/aspnet/dir/references/scriptin2/%3Fsort%3Drating%26order%3Ddesc | Oct 07 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Gnome to be based on .NET [The Register] | Oct 07 20:25 |
| schestowitz | He basically said that Cox helped code Mono... instead of GNOME | Oct 07 20:25 |
| schestowitz | It's as though he thinks of them as the same thing | Oct 07 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, _Hicham_ | Oct 07 20:26 |
| _Hicham_ | hey, senior schestowitz | Oct 07 20:26 |
| _Hicham_ | howdy? | Oct 07 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Your friend DaemonFC has news | Oct 07 20:26 |
| _Hicham_ | any news ? | Oct 07 20:26 |
| _Hicham_ | what ? | Oct 07 20:26 |
| _Hicham_ | got jailed ? | Oct 07 20:26 |
| schestowitz | He survived | Oct 07 20:26 |
| _Hicham_ | wow | Oct 07 20:26 |
| _Hicham_ | did he have an accident ? | Oct 07 20:27 |
| schestowitz | You did witchcraft on him !! | Oct 07 20:27 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: !google daemonfc seizures | Oct 07 20:27 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: ^error? | Oct 07 20:27 |
| trmanco | where? | Oct 07 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Can it only be invoked at start of line? | Oct 07 20:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/10/dont_let_hacker.html | Oct 07 20:28 |
| phIRCe | Title: Schneier on Security: Don't Let Hacker Inmates Reprogram Prison Computers .::. Size~: 32.52 KB | Oct 07 20:28 |
| trmanco | yes | Oct 07 20:29 |
| trmanco | it has to | Oct 07 20:29 |
| MinceR | it had better :) | Oct 07 20:29 |
| MinceR | it would lead to all kinds of havoc otherwise | Oct 07 20:29 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 07 20:29 |
| trmanco | yes | Oct 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: check out what trmanco coded | Oct 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | !google daemonfc seizures | Oct 07 20:29 |
| phIRCe | [1] - IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: September 29th, 2009 | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/irc-log-29092009.html | Oct 07 20:29 |
| phIRCe | [2] - IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: June 5th, 2009 | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/irc-log-05062009.html | Oct 07 20:29 |
| trmanco | strange | Oct 07 20:30 |
| trmanco | only 2 results | Oct 07 20:30 |
| schestowitz | No | Oct 07 20:30 |
| schestowitz | The two are tied | Oct 07 20:30 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't deal well with it | Oct 07 20:30 |
| *trmanco sniffs more Google api docs | Oct 07 20:30 | |
| schestowitz | It seems like quite a lot of sites copy BN | Oct 07 20:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=daemonfc+seizures+&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Oct 07 20:31 |
| phIRCe | Title: daemonfc seizures - Google Search .::. Size~: 20.75 KB | Oct 07 20:31 |
| _Hicham_ | trmanco : u doing some python stuff ? | Oct 07 20:31 |
| trmanco | no | Oct 07 20:31 |
| trmanco | but I'm sure it would be easy to port it | Oct 07 20:31 |
| trmanco | python is pretty straightforward | Oct 07 20:31 |
| trmanco | I use to have the opposite opinion about it until I've read the docs and a book | Oct 07 20:32 |
| trmanco | e-book | Oct 07 20:32 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : trolling caused DaemonFC's seizures | Oct 07 20:33 |
| _Hicham_ | I warned him | Oct 07 20:33 |
| _Hicham_ | but he was stubborn | Oct 07 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/06/baha-mousa-witness-abuse-soldiers '"I recall a soldier urinated on me," he said. "I could feel the urine seeping through my hood and running down my arms." He added that a container was then placed on to his mouth.' | Oct 07 20:34 |
| schestowitz | http://pol.moveon.org/afghan_exit/ | Oct 07 20:35 |
| MinceR | now they're telling the soldiers, "urine big trouble now!" | Oct 07 20:36 |
| schestowitz | ping zoobab | Oct 07 20:36 |
| schestowitz | The Zuck shill steps in re: EU case | Oct 07 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Neelie got bamboozled again | Oct 07 20:36 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Redd could be the cornerstone of a Copenhagen deal, putting forests at the frontline of tackling climate change for the first time" htt ... | Oct 07 20:37 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: they don't take that s* | Oct 07 20:37 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : that what the US is calling human rights | Oct 07 20:37 |
| MinceR | they only care about number one? :> | Oct 07 20:37 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Would you like to start with the article now? | Oct 07 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Oh No. | Oct 07 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Peter is trolling Ken again. http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=an_open_letter_to_steve_ballmer_didn_t_y&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Oct 07 20:39 |
| phIRCe | Title: Penguin Pete's Blog .::. Size~: 27.61 KB | Oct 07 20:39 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: they need to self.SpreadDemocracy(); | Oct 07 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Before going abroad | Oct 07 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Let me find something re Kuwait. | Oct 07 20:39 |
| _Hicham_ | and then they call muslims terrorists | Oct 07 20:40 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpHUoJdxpPY I think it's in the second part | Oct 07 20:40 |
| phIRCe | Title: YouTube - Operation Dissidence with Noam Chomsky 1/3 .::. Size~: 106.13 KB | Oct 07 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Let me try to find it | Oct 07 20:41 |
| trmanco | ha | Oct 07 20:41 |
| trmanco | found it | Oct 07 20:41 |
| trmanco | http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxsearch/documentation/reference.html#_restUrlBase | Oct 07 20:41 |
| phIRCe | Title: Class Reference - Google AJAX Search API - Google Code .::. Size~: 281.82 KB | Oct 07 20:41 |
| Omar871 | schestowitz: Busy? | Oct 07 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Ah | Oct 07 20:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/154548.html | Oct 07 20:42 |
| phIRCe | Title: STRANGE ZOO PARKING ATTENDANT MAKES OFF WITH MILLIONS! .::. Size~: 25.28 KB | Oct 07 20:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | that guy is a hero | Oct 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Found it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpHUoJdxpPY#t=300 (time: 5:00) | Oct 07 20:42 |
| phIRCe | Title: YouTube - Operation Dissidence with Noam Chomsky 1/3 .::. Size~: 105.97 KB | Oct 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC needs to be liberated :-D | Oct 07 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Medical bills | Oct 07 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Instead of ammunition and gunships :-D | Oct 07 20:43 |
| _Hicham_ | poor DaemonFC | Oct 07 20:43 |
| _Hicham_ | victim of the US Dream | Oct 07 20:43 |
| schestowitz | I don't get it: http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=a_povray_modeler_some_progress&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Oct 07 20:44 |
| phIRCe | Title: Penguin Pete's Blog .::. Size~: 24.9 KB | Oct 07 20:44 |
| schestowitz | I used a good povray editor like half a decade ago | Oct 07 20:44 |
| schestowitz | And this guy complaints there's none for Linux; he just ain't looking properly. | Oct 07 20:44 |
| trmanco | are 4 search result ideal? | Oct 07 20:46 |
| *schestowitz trying to find something.. http://www.google.com/search?q=site:beranger.org+medical&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Oct 07 20:46 | |
| phIRCe | Title: site:beranger.org medical - Google Search .::. Size~: 25.39 KB | Oct 07 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Beranger has a good post showing the state of US health care] | Oct 07 20:46 |
| schestowitz | With photos | Oct 07 20:46 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: maybe 3 | Oct 07 20:46 |
| trmanco | cant do 3 | Oct 07 20:46 |
| trmanco | 4 or 8 | Oct 07 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I give up, I can't find it./ http://beranger.org/v3/wordpress/2009/04/07/same-broken-world-whole-new-territory/ | Oct 07 20:47 |
| phIRCe | Title: Planète Béranger v3 » Same Broken World, Whole New Territory .::. Size~: 46.84 KB | Oct 07 20:48 |
| schestowitz | He still blogs, I see... he said he quit. http://beranger.org/v3/wordpress/ | Oct 07 20:48 |
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| trmanco | !quit phIRCe | Oct 07 20:51 |
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| trmanco | !google ubuntu | Oct 07 20:51 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Ubuntu Home Page | Ubuntu | http://www.ubuntu.com/ | Oct 07 20:51 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Download Ubuntu | Ubuntu | http://www.ubuntu.com/GetUbuntu/download | Oct 07 20:51 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Ubuntu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu | Oct 07 20:51 |
| phIRCe | [4] - ubuntu - a community-focused restaurant and yoga studio in napa ... | http://www.ubuntunapa.com/ | Oct 07 20:51 |
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| _Hicham_ | !google trmanco | Oct 07 20:52 |
| phIRCe | [1] - trmanco.com | http://trmanco.com/ | Oct 07 20:52 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Tony Manco (trmanco) - Identi.ca | http://identi.ca/trmanco | Oct 07 20:52 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Tony Manco (trmanco) on Twitter | http://twitter.com/trmanco | Oct 07 20:52 |
| phIRCe | [4] - trmanco on deviantART | http://trmanco.deviantart.com/ | Oct 07 20:52 |
| trmanco | not again | Oct 07 20:52 |
| Omar871 | trmanco: I'm loving this bot. :-) | Oct 07 20:52 |
| trmanco | I should block this | Oct 07 20:52 |
| trmanco | thanks Omar871 | Oct 07 20:53 |
| Omar871 | trmanco, welcome. | Oct 07 20:53 |
| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3842626/Shuttleworth-at-LinuxCon-Will-Ubuntu-Lead-Free-Software.htm | Oct 07 20:54 |
| phIRCe | Title: Shuttleworth at LinuxCon: Will Ubuntu Lead Free Software? — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 71.23 KB | Oct 07 20:54 |
| schestowitz | They can't leave him alone | Oct 07 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Again turning attention away from the talk and intro feminism | Oct 07 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | open source used to discredit Free software: http://www.fiercecontentmanagement.com/story/does-open-source-label-still-matter/2009-10-06 | Oct 07 20:57 |
| phIRCe | Title: Does the open-source label still matter? - FierceContentManagement .::. Size~: 34 KB | Oct 07 20:57 |
| schestowitz | http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/10/the-day-the-netbook-died.html | Oct 07 20:58 |
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| MinceR | i think i've figured out the secret of compiling kde3 on new distro releases | Oct 07 20:59 |
| MinceR | the secret is using gcc-4.2 :) | Oct 07 20:59 |
| trmanco | heh | Oct 07 20:59 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : why kde3 now that kde4 is stable ? | Oct 07 21:01 |
| MinceR | i want to install both | Oct 07 21:01 |
| MinceR | also, what that distro considers stable is kde4.2 which i know isn't good enough yet | Oct 07 21:01 |
| _Hicham_ | there is kde3 | Oct 07 21:02 |
| _Hicham_ | i mean kde 4.3 | Oct 07 21:02 |
| MinceR | also, i already know i'm going to keep kpdf instead of okular | Oct 07 21:03 |
| MinceR | unless they fix the UI of the latter :> | Oct 07 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/07/flying-chairlet-tony-manco/ | Oct 07 21:04 |
| phIRCe | Title: Septembers Golden Flying Chairlet Award Goes to Tony Manco | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 90.18 KB | Oct 07 21:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzU4NQ | Oct 07 21:05 |
| phIRCe | Title: [Phoronix] KDE 4.3.2 Makes It Out With Some Enhancements .::. Size~: 15.18 KB | Oct 07 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Now we just need gcc 4.3.2 | Oct 07 21:05 |
| schestowitz | JPerlow: Hess didn't know there were free PDF viewers | Oct 07 21:06 |
| _Hicham_ | we need gcc-4.4 | Oct 07 21:06 |
| schestowitz | RMS knows free software packages very well | Oct 07 21:07 |
| _Hicham_ | distros not using latest gcc should be banned | Oct 07 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ecrans.fr/Mark-Shuttleworth-Le-libre-ne,8290.html | Oct 07 21:15 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: you can read it | Oct 07 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | Great news! http://www.dutchdailynews.com/dutch-police-goes-open-source/ | Oct 07 21:18 |
| phIRCe | Title: Dutch police goes open source .::. Size~: 15.38 KB | Oct 07 21:18 |
| JPerlow | schestowitz: who didnt know there were PDF viewers? | Oct 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Kenneth | Oct 07 21:19 |
| JPerlow | he knew | Oct 07 21:19 |
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| JPerlow | he was leading the questions | Oct 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, I thought it was you who were interviewing RMS until I heard it | Oct 07 21:19 |
| JPerlow | I fed kenneth questions. | Oct 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | RMS was very nice in this interview | Oct 07 21:20 |
| JPerlow | or rather, I had a list | Oct 07 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes he's crabby | Oct 07 21:20 |
| JPerlow | the time zone was difficult | Oct 07 21:20 |
| schestowitz | I like how he ended with, "don't apologise. You didn't do anything wrong." | Oct 07 21:20 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people think of RMS as moody | Oct 07 21:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/Report-OSI-corporate-status-suspended--/news/114404 | Oct 07 21:21 |
| schestowitz | So weird | Oct 07 21:21 |
| schestowitz | 'Aslett notes that although the OSI does not hold a trademark on the term "open source" in the past it has been able to discourage the used of the term with software which is not under an OSI approved licence. The analyst says that "Since the corporate status of the OSI is suspended, its ability to do so in the future is in doubt".'' | Oct 07 21:22 |
| schestowitz | The browser trmanco looked forward to: http://lifehacker.com/5375549/arora-is-an-open+source-browser-with-out+of+the+box-ad-blocking | Oct 07 21:23 |
| phIRCe | Title: Arora Is an Open-Source Browser with Out-of-the-Box Ad Blocking - Arora - Lifehacker .::. Size~: 58.47 KB | Oct 07 21:23 |
| schestowitz | http://insidesocal.com/click/2009/10/new-to-me-update-notifications.html | Oct 07 21:24 |
| trmanco | http://www.alexhudson.com/blog/2009/10/07/boycott-boycott-novell-a-huge-own-goal/ | Oct 07 21:25 |
| phIRCe | Title: Boycott Boycott Novell: a huge own goal? « Alexs Blog .::. Size~: 13.68 KB | Oct 07 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Alex Brown comments | Oct 07 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft troll | Oct 07 21:26 |
| trmanco | this you see the gimped image? | Oct 07 21:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Drunken pair floored by men in drag after squaring up to Spider-Man - ROFL http://tinyurl.com/y8rrasb | Oct 07 21:27 | |
| trmanco | did* | Oct 07 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | Oct 07 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161287 | Oct 07 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | just bought this | Oct 07 21:29 |
| phIRCe | Title: Newegg.com - HIS H467QS1GH Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Desktop Graphics / Video Cards .::. Size~: 121.8 KB | Oct 07 21:29 |
| trmanco | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091007105147454 | Oct 07 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | saw how much of a beat down it gave the Geforce 9500 GT I own | Oct 07 21:30 |
| phIRCe | Title: Groklaw - EU Commission Announces Market Test of Microsoft Suggestions on Browser Choice, Interoperability - Updated .::. Size~: 80.8 KB | Oct 07 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | I'm trying to get away from Intel and Nvidia for a number of reasons, mostly quality concerns, some pricing concerns | Oct 07 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Watch the video abogbve | Oct 07 21:32 |
| schestowitz | So funny. | Oct 07 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | dunno if the 1 gig of RAM on video card will help much vs 512 megs, it's only $10 more though | Oct 07 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | both were GDDR3 | Oct 07 21:33 |
| JPerlow | daemon: virtually everything I use is AMD | Oct 07 21:34 |
| JPerlow | I have two intel based machines, and both are laptops | Oct 07 21:35 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, it's a terrible deal | Oct 07 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft and its army of lobbyists (gangsters) got their way | Oct 07 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | Newegg will RMA it if it doesn't work for me, so I'm not really risking much | Oct 07 21:35 |
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| trmanco | heh | Oct 07 21:40 |
| trmanco | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-7-10-Second-Boot-123672.shtml | Oct 07 21:40 |
| phIRCe | Title: Windows 7 10-Second Boot - Video demonstration - Softpedia .::. Size~: 48.3 KB | Oct 07 21:40 |
| trmanco | 10 bot second | Oct 07 21:40 |
| trmanco | but here is the catch | Oct 07 21:41 |
| trmanco | “At (…) Intel Developer Forum, a company called Phoenix debuted new BIOS technology that allows Windows 7 to boot up from black screen to desktop in only 10 seconds. Called "Instant Boot BIOS," the Phoenix BIOS uses new UEFI technology to power on several system devices at once instead of one-by-one. It also runs only those processes that are necessary to hand control over from BIOS to OS,” revealed Channel 10’s Sarah Perez ( | Oct 07 21:41 |
| trmanco | initially reported by LaptopMag). " | Oct 07 21:41 |
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| trmanco | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139094/Asus_embraces_overclocking_on_newest_notebooks?source=rss_news | Oct 07 21:47 |
| phIRCe | Title: Asus embraces overclocking on newest notebooks .::. Size~: 130.08 KB | Oct 07 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Marketing fluff | Oct 07 21:50 |
| schestowitz | They optimise for demos | Oct 07 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Since the start | Oct 07 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 is too fta for sub-notebooks | Oct 07 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Except the very expensive ones | Oct 07 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | And these are no longer the same class factor | Oct 07 21:50 |
| trmanco | a vanilla windows will boot fast | Oct 07 21:54 |
| trmanco | or reasonably fast | Oct 07 21:54 |
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| trmanco | but once you glue all the missing parts together, is slow as crap | Oct 07 21:54 |
| trmanco | and it gets worse by just using it on a daily basis | Oct 07 21:55 |
| gmzlj | trmanco, file system fragments baddly | Oct 07 21:56 |
| trmanco | yes | Oct 07 21:56 |
| trmanco | LOL | Oct 07 21:57 |
| trmanco | I won an award | Oct 07 21:57 |
| trmanco | haha | Oct 07 21:57 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Openbytes views on piracy, UK legislation and Indiana Gregg! http://tinyurl.com/y8rw8kg #piratebay #foss #tpb | Oct 07 22:02 | |
| phIRCe | Title: World of Gregg What solar system is that in? File Sharing..AGAIN! « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 57.66 KB | Oct 07 22:02 |
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| trmanco | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139098/Researcher_refutes_Microsoft_s_account_of_hijacked_Hotmail_passwords?source=rss_news | Oct 07 22:12 |
| phIRCe | Title: Researcher refutes Microsoft's account of hijacked Hotmail passwords .::. Size~: 131.46 KB | Oct 07 22:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #VirtualBox Released and Why Virtualisation Matters in Desktops http://bit.ly/1f8zxz http://bit.ly/16mRnb | Oct 07 22:15 | |
| phIRCe | Title: OGradys PowerPage Your Mobile Technology Destination » VirtualBox 3.0.8 Released .::. Size~: 71.25 KB | Oct 07 22:15 |
| phIRCe | Title: Not Your Father's Virtual Machine - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 35.54 KB | Oct 07 22:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WindowsXP Mode Better and Cheaper in #GNU #Linux Than in #Vista7 http://bit.ly/OdLQn | Oct 07 22:17 | |
| phIRCe | Title: How To: Windows XP Mode In...Ubuntu Linux? : Introduction - Review Tom's Hardware .::. Size~: 112.11 KB | Oct 07 22:17 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK Recruiter Sees Increased Demand for #GNU #Linux and #FreeSoftware http://www.contractoruk.com/news/004591.html | Oct 07 22:18 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Contractor UK Market Report: Rates surge back from the brink :: Contractor UK .::. Size~: 22.41 KB | Oct 07 22:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] amazing retail horror story. includes scan of the payslip. http://is.gd/43kGQ | Oct 07 22:19 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 07 22:19 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Linux 2.6.31.2 and More Features to Come http://bit.ly/LmNCb | Oct 07 22:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Arora Removes Noise from Pages for #GNU #Linux Users http://bit.ly/lQpYL | Oct 07 22:27 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Arora Is an Open-Source Browser with Out-of-the-Box Ad Blocking - Arora - Lifehacker .::. Size~: 58.51 KB | Oct 07 22:27 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Lists of #GNOME Wallpapers and Themes http://bit.ly/E0sUm http://bit.ly/5tluU | Oct 07 22:29 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Howto: Download Tons of GNOME-Specific Wallpapers With One Command .::. Size~: 32.57 KB | Oct 07 22:29 |
| phIRCe | Title: 25+ Stunning Gnome Desktop Themes for ubuntu users @ Techie Blogger .::. Size~: 72.92 KB | Oct 07 22:29 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] All Eyes on #KDE 4.4, Good Feedback from Users http://bit.ly/19ZRTn http://bit.ly/d0ppO http://bit.ly/y5DmE http://bit.ly/1O8bYo | Oct 07 22:30 | |
| phIRCe | Title: aseigo: device notifier work for 4.4 .::. Size~: 137.09 KB | Oct 07 22:30 |
| phIRCe | Title: aseigo: managing change during KDE's evolution .::. Size~: 87.76 KB | Oct 07 22:30 |
| phIRCe | Title: Code Monkey: I don't get KDE .::. Size~: 62.57 KB | Oct 07 22:30 |
| phIRCe | Title: KDE 4: Recap « Jon Reagan's Tech Blog .::. Size~: 16.29 KB | Oct 07 22:30 |
| trmanco | wow | Oct 07 22:30 |
| trmanco | it didn't miss one :-) | Oct 07 22:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of the New #Sabayon #Linux 5 http://bit.ly/9A5xz | Oct 07 22:31 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Sabayon Linux 5 Review | Desktop Linux Reviews .::. Size~: 74.72 KB | Oct 07 22:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Já que nao se faz mais nada, aqui vão umas stats | Oct 07 22:32 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] From your 313 subscriptions, over the last 30 days you read 24,338 items, starred 10 items, shared 101 items, and emailed 1 items. | Oct 07 22:32 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] c | Oct 07 22:35 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ClearOS Join the #RedHat Family http://bit.ly/22N5C | Oct 07 22:36 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @kpoulsen: What does Google's treatment of its Usenet archives tell us about the future of Google Books? http://bit.ly/4e4SO4 | Oct 07 22:37 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian Advances #BSD with #kFreeBSD, #Google Reports from #EuroBSDCon 2009 http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20091007 http://bit.ly/3QQZXE | Oct 07 22:37 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Googles Abandoned Library of 700 Million Titles | Epicenter | Wired.com .::. Size~: 79.23 KB | Oct 07 22:37 |
| phIRCe | Title: Debian -- News -- Debian pushes development of kFreeBSD port .::. Size~: 5.28 KB | Oct 07 22:37 |
| phIRCe | Title: Google Open Source Blog: Report from EuroBSDCon 2009 .::. Size~: 81.44 KB | Oct 07 22:37 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MarkShuttleworth at #LinuxCon and the French Press Defending #FreeSoftware http://bit.ly/DOg43 http://bit.ly/2SsBKn | Oct 07 22:39 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Shuttleworth at LinuxCon: Will Ubuntu Lead Free Software? — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 71.23 KB | Oct 07 22:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to Get Ubuntu 9.10 Ahead of Everyone http://bit.ly/45Mudv | Oct 07 22:41 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Experimenting with GNU/Linux: Downloading Ubuntu 9.10 beta with zsync .::. Size~: 91.03 KB | Oct 07 22:41 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Amazon's Linux-based (but DRM-encumbered) Gadget Spreads to 100+ Countries http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8294310.stm | Oct 07 22:45 | |
| phIRCe | Title: BBC NEWS | News Front Page .::. Size~: 84.61 KB | Oct 07 22:45 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Internet Eyes – A step forward in crime prevention? http://tinyurl.com/yahf2zh #cctv | Oct 07 22:46 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Internet Eyes A step forward in crime prevention? « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 33.24 KB | Oct 07 22:46 |
| _goblin | hi all | Oct 07 22:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks Running #GNU #Linux Suitable for Anyone http://bit.ly/Sx5Dr http://bit.ly/4ohl7w | Oct 07 22:48 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Hands-On With The Netbook Linux Anyone Can Master | Gizmodo Australia .::. Size~: 38.86 KB | Oct 07 22:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] $100 Sub-notebooks Running #GNU #Linux (or O/S-Free) to Come Soon http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20091007PD223.html | Oct 07 22:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Personas 1.3 and #Bazaar 2.0.0 Are Out http://bit.ly/67E3I http://bit.ly/2zeUGE | Oct 07 22:53 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Mozilla Personas for Firefox 1.3 - Browsers êáé ðñüóèåôá - Download - PCW .::. Size~: 113.07 KB | Oct 07 22:53 |
| trmanco | yay | Oct 07 22:53 |
| trmanco | looks neat | Oct 07 22:53 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Asterisk an Example of #FreeSoftware Going Mainstream http://bit.ly/7KbyL | Oct 07 22:54 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Astricon: Has Asterisk Gone Mainstream? | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 51.37 KB | Oct 07 22:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] When is a "RT Twitter bot" not a bot? When it removes certain RT's (presumably with human input) revealing news about some bots coming soon. | Oct 07 22:55 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Armin Van Buuren - Fine Without You Feat Jennifer Rene" ♫ http://blip.fm/~ehg5b | Oct 07 23:01 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Netgear Cheats the Free/Open Source Brand http://bit.ly/2BkmT0 http://bit.ly/3PTKQC #faker | Oct 07 23:01 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.27 KB | Oct 07 23:01 |
| phIRCe | Title: Harald Welte's blog .::. Size~: 20.8 KB | Oct 07 23:01 |
| phIRCe | Title: Netgear router not open source, says coder - ZDNet.co.uk .::. Size~: 105.58 KB | Oct 07 23:01 |
| trmanco | oh Dutch music :) | Oct 07 23:01 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #DHS Practices Remind of Importance of Privacy/Freedom http://bit.ly/A6LHq #1984 #bigbrother | Oct 07 23:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] File Sharing Goes Mainstream and Sometimes Perfectly Legal http://bit.ly/i9TI2 #p2p | Oct 07 23:03 | |
| phIRCe | Title: philosecurity » Blog Archive » What Does DHS Know About You? .::. Size~: 44.78 KB | Oct 07 23:03 |
| phIRCe | Title: File Sharing Goes Mainstream - Reviews by PC Magazine .::. Size~: 92.38 KB | Oct 07 23:03 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Viacom Mafioso Wants to Shoot Down Whole of #YouTube with Frivolous Lawsuits http://bit.ly/2HLxg6 | Oct 07 23:05 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] listening to "Martin Roth & Alex Bartlett - Off The World (Gareth Emery rmx)" ♫ http://blip.fm/~ehgro | Oct 07 23:12 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Blip.fm | What are you listening to? .::. Size~: 27.27 KB | Oct 07 23:12 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Red Hat's CEO Speaks on CNBC Against #IntellectualMonopolies http://bit.ly/HAWwP #FFII Files Brief http://bit.ly/4CEYn8 #swpat | Oct 07 23:13 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Video - CNBC.com .::. Size~: 83.19 KB | Oct 07 23:13 |
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| _goblin | seems a little quiet in here today... | Oct 07 23:14 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: might be posting some news | Oct 07 23:14 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RailCorp Gets Nightmare for Using Windows http://bit.ly/2m9nxI | Oct 07 23:15 | |
| phIRCe | Title: RailCorp wrestles with Conficker - News - Builder AU .::. Size~: 55.64 KB | Oct 07 23:15 |
| _goblin | Ive done a couple of posts too...started at 530pm.. | Oct 07 23:18 |
| bozo_ | http://www.embedded.com/underthehood/219100633?pgno=1 | Oct 07 23:18 |
| phIRCe | Title: Embedded.com - Chumby: Open-Source, Internet-enabled gadget modernizes the nightstand clock and invites hackers .::. Size~: 70 KB | Oct 07 23:18 |
| _goblin | get the feeling I'll get some stick for my views on CCTV. | Oct 07 23:18 |
| _goblin | looks like twitter is down: HTTP Server Error 503 | Oct 07 23:19 |
| _goblin | No available server to handle this request | Oct 07 23:19 |
| trmanco | http://twitter.com | Oct 07 23:19 |
| trmanco | hmmm | Oct 07 23:20 |
| phIRCe | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 502 Bad Gateway .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 07 23:20 |
| trmanco | yeah | Oct 07 23:20 |
| trmanco | something like that | Oct 07 23:20 |
| _goblin | Oprah's not on it again is she? | Oct 07 23:20 |
| _goblin | ;) | Oct 07 23:20 |
| schestowitz | !google oprah sucks | Oct 07 23:21 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Oprah: Daytime Talk's Jihadi Sister | http://www.oprahsucks.com/ | Oct 07 23:21 |
| phIRCe | [2] - YouTube - Oprah sucks | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D7r_6rfwzuIc | Oct 07 23:21 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Why Oprah Sucks 11/2/2007 - jungdong on Blog Talk Radio | http://www.blogtalkradio.com/jungdongshow/2007/11/02/Why-Oprah-Sucks | Oct 07 23:21 |
| phIRCe | [4] - What Sucks...: What Sucks...Oprah | http://www.whatsucksblog.com/2006/10/what-sucksoprah.html | Oct 07 23:21 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 07 23:21 |
| trmanco | !google fsf | Oct 07 23:24 |
| phIRCe | [1] - Welcome! - Free Software Foundation | http://www.fsf.org/ | Oct 07 23:24 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Licenses - Free Software Foundation | http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/ | Oct 07 23:24 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Free Software Foundation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Software_Foundation | Oct 07 23:24 |
| phIRCe | [4] - Flight Safety Foundation: Home Page | http://www.flightsafety.org/ | Oct 07 23:24 |
| _goblin | oh and by the way according to a user on Indiana Greggs official blog, Im uneducated because of something he claims I said (which I didn't of course) last time I locked horns with Greggs fan base (it was hilarious) ever had a conversation with a non IT literate music fan about the BT protocol? Its like trying to teach Jar Jar Binks quantum physics. | Oct 07 23:24 |
| _goblin | Ive got a good feeling I will get big hits from my Indiana Gregg counter. | Oct 07 23:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | mesa no understand string theory | Oct 07 23:25 |
| _goblin | lol | Oct 07 23:26 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #GNU #Linux Has Already Killed #Vista7 ('s Profitability) http://bit.ly/2Jwmp2 | Oct 07 23:26 | |
| phIRCe | Title: Windows 7 to Usher in Profitless Prosperity .::. Size~: 62.37 KB | Oct 07 23:26 |
| trmanco | twitter is all b0rked | Oct 07 23:27 |
| _goblin | it seems to be working for me now..... | Oct 07 23:27 |
| _goblin | for the time being | Oct 07 23:27 |
| trmanco | http://twitter.com | Oct 07 23:27 |
| phIRCe | Title: Twitter .::. Size~: 20.46 KB | Oct 07 23:27 |
| trmanco | we can also use phIRCe as a debugging tool | Oct 07 23:27 |
| trmanco | :) | Oct 07 23:27 |
| trmanco | yeah it works | Oct 07 23:28 |
| trmanco | I mean | Oct 07 23:28 |
| trmanco | troubleshooting* | Oct 07 23:28 |
| _goblin | whats Phrice written with? Python? | Oct 07 23:28 |
| trmanco | no php | Oct 07 23:28 |
| schestowitz | php | Oct 07 23:28 |
| _goblin | ah | Oct 07 23:28 |
| schestowitz | beat me to it | Oct 07 23:28 |
| trmanco | :) | Oct 07 23:29 |
| _goblin | been messing with some IRC bindings for Python..... | Oct 07 23:29 |
| schestowitz | bitbucket ddos | Oct 07 23:29 |
| trmanco | I wrote the whole thing from scratch | Oct 07 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Nothing is done from scratch | Oct 07 23:29 |
| schestowitz | If you use libraries | Oct 07 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Start from physics and transistors | Oct 07 23:29 |
| trmanco | well | Oct 07 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Then build some instructions... | Oct 07 23:30 |
| trmanco | php is point 0 | Oct 07 23:30 |
| schestowitz | The idea is, you didn't reuse code | Oct 07 23:30 |
| schestowitz | But you rely on code underneath | Oct 07 23:30 |
| _goblin | has anyone looked at pyOpenGL? | Oct 07 23:30 |
| trmanco | I wrote everything from scratch starting there, but using it's inbuilt functions | Oct 07 23:30 |
| trmanco | yeah | Oct 07 23:30 |
| _goblin | been messing around with that too.... | Oct 07 23:31 |
| schestowitz | reuse of code is nothing to be ashamed of | Oct 07 23:31 |
| _goblin | here here! | Oct 07 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Failure to reuse of a disgrace however. It makes bad code | Oct 07 23:31 |
| trmanco | it is, if it has no license | Oct 07 23:31 |
| _goblin | I think thats where MS went wrong, they tried to reinvent the wheel everytime. | Oct 07 23:31 |
| schestowitz | See what Microsoft did when dropping bsd for tcp/ip stack | Oct 07 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Remote BSODs | Oct 07 23:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Amazing tale of the Bletchley Park code war in the Atlantic http://is.gd/43pZu | Oct 07 23:32 | |
| _goblin | Powershell - LOL. | Oct 07 23:32 |
| phIRCe | Title: budiansky .::. Size~: 31.6 KB | Oct 07 23:32 |
| trmanco | LOL | Oct 07 23:32 |
| schestowitz | !google openbytes sucks | Oct 07 23:34 |
| phIRCe | [1] - BING – Bing Is Not Google « OPEN BYTES – cave quid dicis, quando ... | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/bing-bing-is-not-google/ | Oct 07 23:34 |
| phIRCe | [2] - Windows 7 – Its party time! (just don't mention Vista) « OPEN ... | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/windows-7-its-party-time-just-dont-mention-vista/ | Oct 07 23:34 |
| phIRCe | [3] - Underhanded // BlogCatalog Topic // BlogCatalog | http://www.blogcatalog.com/topic/underhanded/ | Oct 07 23:34 |
| phIRCe | [4] - GameSpot Forums - Sony PSP - PSP 3000 Interlacing | http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php%3Ftopic_id%3D26954609 | Oct 07 23:34 |
| trmanco | creating this bot was a good exercise | Oct 07 23:34 |
| trmanco | !bing Google | Oct 07 23:37 |
| trmanco | :-P | Oct 07 23:37 |
| trmanco | let me check if the have a decent API | Oct 07 23:37 |
| MinceR | call it !bingo | Oct 07 23:37 |
| trmanco | # Multiple protocols: JSON, XML, SOAP | Oct 07 23:38 |
| trmanco | not bad | Oct 07 23:38 |
| trmanco | pft | Oct 07 23:38 |
| trmanco | they give me pdf's instead of html pages on how to implement the api... | Oct 07 23:39 |
| trmanco | this is one of the reasons why they will never be a web company | Oct 07 23:39 |
| MinceR | at least it's not m$'s own Me Too PDF format | Oct 07 23:39 |
| MinceR | i only remember that it starts with X | Oct 07 23:39 |
| trmanco | http://www.bing.com/developers/s/API%20Basics.pdf | Oct 07 23:39 |
| phIRCe | Title: Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 07 23:39 |
| trmanco | LOL | Oct 07 23:39 |
| trmanco | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd251056.aspx they have the read docs here | Oct 07 23:40 |
| trmanco | they are blocking my bot :| | Oct 07 23:41 |
| trmanco | heh | Oct 07 23:42 |
| trmanco | found it | Oct 07 23:42 |
| MinceR | the bot could comment on that fact in the !b{i,o}ng{,o} command | Oct 07 23:42 |
| trmanco | what to you guys say | Oct 07 23:42 |
| trmanco | should I implement it? :-P | Oct 07 23:43 |
| trmanco | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd250929.aspx | Oct 07 23:43 |
| trmanco | I don't really think it worth it, in a couple of years they will create a new bing... :-P | Oct 07 23:44 |
| trmanco | it's* | Oct 07 23:44 |
| trmanco | but it would be interesting to compare the results | Oct 07 23:44 |
| MinceR | i don't care about bingo | Oct 07 23:46 |
| schestowitz | "...he's being disingenuous about climate change, there's many scientists who do not think global warming (now called "climate change") ." | Oct 07 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Euphemism and tricks | Oct 07 23:50 |
| schestowitz | No Bongo search... | Oct 07 23:51 |
| trmanco | lol | Oct 07 23:51 |
| trmanco | next up | Oct 07 23:52 |
| trmanco | google maps search api with an ascii response type | Oct 07 23:52 |
| trmanco | so, basically, it will draw the map here in irc :-P | Oct 07 23:52 |
| trmanco | LOL | Oct 07 23:53 |
| MinceR | you could call the command "!flood" | Oct 07 23:53 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 07 23:53 |
| trmanco | :-P | Oct 07 23:53 |
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