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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 2nd, 2009

cubezzzit's the design of unix that made Gnu and Linux possibleOct 02 00:02
cubezzzStallman could replace each component step by step, gradually making a complete systemOct 02 00:03
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cubezzzthe crazy part is, Stallman did this when BSD was already openOct 02 00:06
Diablo-D3he didnt like bsd because it could become closed source againOct 02 00:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #AMD / #ATI Comparison Between #FreeSoftware and Non-Free Software (Driver) http://bit.ly/44itQBOct 02 00:08
amarsh04who or what is the company general atomics?Oct 02 00:08
Diablo-D3oohOct 02 00:08
Diablo-D3Ive heard that oneOct 02 00:09
Diablo-D3oh yeah! they make the predator UAV'sOct 02 00:09
amarsh04one of their people was at a function last night where the south australian leader was assultedOct 02 00:10
Diablo-D3they're one of those atypical 1950s nuclear tech companiesOct 02 00:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Openshot a Big Step Forward for GNU/Linux Video Editing http://bit.ly/19qkjx http://bit.ly/3JNdOc http://www.nillabyte.com/blog.php?b=262Oct 02 00:10
Diablo-D3amarsh04: not a big thingOct 02 00:10
Diablo-D3they supply military weaponsOct 02 00:10
Diablo-D3unless they were doing the assulting themselves, I wouldnt really link the twoOct 02 00:10
amarsh04like tenix?Oct 02 00:10
amarsh04no, it was someone who had gate-crashed from another function at the same locationOct 02 00:11
Diablo-D3amarsh04: tenix seems to be higher up in the food chainOct 02 00:11
amarsh04ah right, tenix seem to use abandoned factories here for short-term uses related to military contractsOct 02 00:12
Diablo-D3but, yeah, same businessOct 02 00:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Glimpse at #Celestia Space #Simulation http://bit.ly/Mukbs I like #StellariumOct 02 00:16
amarsh04one thing I don't like is sometime how people aren't encouraged to write down their own observations as soon as possible after an incident (ie before they start chatting to others)Oct 02 00:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amarok 2.2 is Released http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.2Oct 02 00:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] A Google Wave story without an MS shill being quoted, this is why I like CH4 News http://tinyurl.com/ycge858Oct 02 00:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo and #Sabayon Power Put Closer Together http://planet.sabayonlinux.org/?p=1184 Fabio explains...Oct 02 00:21
cubezzzCh4 News could lighten up on the flash usageOct 02 00:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Minimalist #Puppy #Linux 4.3 and #DamnSmall Linux Reviewed http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/354928/9d81d667909b6e1d/ http://bit.ly/kwZN1Oct 02 00:28
_goblinMay have a little story on my hands...giving the ex-editor of Neowin an interview (who has now left) I crossed paths with the Neowin site after one of their reporters was posting what I considered to be misleading pro-MS FUD...apparently before the editor left he fired that particular reporter....may make an interesting read...Oct 02 00:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 9.10 Reaches Beta, More Previews Posted http://bit.ly/mYBvO http://bit.ly/EXrKZ http://bit.ly/1xXyqZOct 02 00:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Gals and Boys Are Having #LaunchParties and Other Events, Winners http://bit.ly/4XtAA http://bit.ly/13igQL http://bit.ly/qUOElOct 02 00:34
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [News] "The Linux ecosystem is extremely healthy, always evolving" http://bit.ly/4m8GdOct 02 00:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Street-View #Camera Runs #Linux http://bit.ly/mhG7jOct 02 00:40
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Smashing New Success for #OLPC Sub-notebooks (with #GNU #Linux ) http://bit.ly/4sgyDh http://bit.ly/5jr9MOct 02 00:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #Moblin #Remix Debuts (Video) http://bit.ly/6JmFlOct 02 00:50
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @mparent77772: Performance Tests Show Windows 7 Only "Marginally" Faster than Vistahttp://bit.ly/2ucjLF #windowsOct 02 00:56
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schestowitzgnOct 02 01:05
twitter1just missed him.  sleep well, Roy.Oct 02 01:08
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "'Free' Windows 7 upgrades not always free, says consumer group" http://tinyurl.com/yepasa8 #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #windows7Oct 02 02:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I think I will skip deployment/upgrade of Ubuntu on my secondary rigs until 10.04..Wolvix 2beta still running on my main one. Very happy!Oct 02 02:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] After a few plays the novelty of Quake live has worn off...unless you can spend hours playing it and practicing, its not much fun IMO.Oct 02 02:47
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Theres some very good players who obviously have spent alot of time practicing, unfortunately it doesn't make it fun for the newer player.Oct 02 02:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I think I now have the "gaming" bug out of my system and I remember why I am not a gamer!Oct 02 02:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking at new releases (not games) theres plenty of stuff to look at. Next up the new features of the latest build of Wine.Oct 02 02:50
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vcentthe company I used to work for had a Quake afternoon every friday, they would buy pizza and bear, and the whole company from the director down would all play quake over the company network, was fun. department agaist departmentOct 02 03:11
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Will_Been trying to download the Ubuntu beta most of the day.  I think the servers might be getting hammered.Oct 02 03:39
Will_Ah, the biannual stress test of Canonical's servers.Oct 02 03:42
sebsebsebWill_: Why? 9.10 is ok, but not amazingOct 02 03:43
sebsebsebWill_: plus even with Beta something could go wrong, and then give you a reason to clean install the finalOct 02 03:43
Will_sebsebseb:  Just wanted to try the live CD/USB.  Probably won't do a real install until shortly after final release.Oct 02 03:44
sebsebseboh okOct 02 03:45
Will_Still wishing Ubuntu would start moving away from the brown/orange motif, though.Oct 02 03:46
Will_But that's just me.  I change it immediately after installOct 02 03:46
sebsebsebchange it to whatOct 02 03:46
sebsebseb?Oct 02 03:46
Will_Depends.  At the moment, I'm using the Gnome/Shiki/Arc Colors theme.  I just settle on one theme for a while, and sooner or later another one comes along that I like even better.Oct 02 03:47
sebsebsebI like the default theme enough to not bother changing it,  well I might do  the blue clearlooksOct 02 03:48
Will_But at this rate, there's a good chance the next theme I switch to might be "KDE4"Oct 02 03:48
sebsebsebKDE 4 :(Oct 02 03:49
sebsebsebexcept for some of the apps in GnomeOct 02 03:49
Will_I use a mix of G and K apps no matter which DE I'm in.Oct 02 03:49
sebsebsebshame the KDE 3 series is on the verge of dieingOct 02 03:49
sebsebsebGDM theme well I like blubuntuOct 02 03:50
Will_It was a good DE.  Now I'm just hoping 4 is up to speed.  I'm giving them until 4.4 before I pass any judgment on it.Oct 02 03:50
Will_Kinda wondering if the Gnome 3 transition will be rocky too.Oct 02 03:52
Will_and where will it put Compiz?Oct 02 03:52
sebsebsebBlubuntu being in the repoOct 02 03:52
sebsebsebKDE 4  I don't think soOct 02 03:54
sebsebsebor not soon,  I just can'tOct 02 03:54
sebsebsebit's to differnet from KDE 3Oct 02 03:54
sebsebsebso I go off it, I don't want to customize, I want good defaultsOct 02 03:54
sebsebseband what I have seen of KDE 4, that's so not itOct 02 03:54
Will_blubuntu looks nice.  I'll have to try it.  At one time I thought the blubuntu blue was a little too light/bright, but the recent look is ok.  Don't know if they actually changed it, or if I just changed my mind on it.Oct 02 03:55
sebsebsebthe theme itself some error probablyOct 02 03:55
sebsebseb,but the gdm background and the not that good wall paper should go onOct 02 03:55
sebsebsebgdm background uh themeOct 02 03:56
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Will_net split?Oct 02 04:13
Balrog_yes, big net splitOct 02 04:13
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ziggyfish_interesting http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138476/Rule_change_could_make_Apple_revenue_appear_larger?source=rss_newsOct 02 05:30
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twitter2leaping lizards!  rocket tension in Nevada!  http://www.ahpra.org/gila.htmOct 02 05:33
twitter2that's got to be the biggest cardboard rocket I've ever seenOct 02 05:33
twitter2they also have a big lizardOct 02 05:36
twitter2poison lizardOct 02 05:36
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satiperaI am a little confused as to the latest situation. Are M$ allowing oem's to put any skew of vista 7 on any machine they want or are they still restricting it to "basic" for what they define as a netbook?Oct 02 06:29
twitter2You will have to ask the OEMs.  Netbook hardware has been crippled by M$ for years and OEMs have complained about it but I doubt they will give you details because they are afraid of retail strangulation.  Shame because M$ will screw them in any case.Oct 02 06:31
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satiperaSo there are no published easy to follow standards then.Oct 02 06:32
twitter2there have been leaks of general rules but it's all smoke and mirrors from M$.Oct 02 06:32
twitter2screen size, CPU, HD and RAM sizes have all been limited in the past.Oct 02 06:33
satiperaOkay, thanks for that  Twitter2Oct 02 06:33
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twitter2Hmm, he left before I could give him links.  shameOct 02 06:34
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ziggyfish_what linksOct 02 06:34
twitter2I collect them, wait a momentOct 02 06:35
twitter2here's a relatively recent collection http://slashdot.org/submission/1063345/5-Netbooks-M-has-KilledOct 02 06:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Centre of Linux Development Also a Likely "Open Source Mecca" http://www.daniweb.com/news/story226660.htmlOct 02 07:21
twitter2"Mecca" ?  more smear for both Islam and free software?Oct 02 07:24
schestowitzWell, whateverOct 02 07:24
schestowitzFOllow the linkOct 02 07:24
twitter2It's funny that M$ uses the term "jihad" for their swindlesOct 02 07:24
twitter2cool ->   "open source city," making its data as open as possible while respecting privacy, and buying open source applications when possible.Oct 02 07:25
twitter2why, though, do they avoid the word "free"?Oct 02 07:26
twitter2following the link, they seem to be getting it -> WHEREAS, Open Source Software can enable the City of Portland to use, copy, customize and redistribute software it deploys for government servicesOct 02 07:29
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Companies Without Licence for Non-free Software Should Consider #GNU #Linux Migration http://bit.ly/2vu7gNOct 02 07:32
twitter2This is a good start, but the bill is weak.  It does not ban non free formats or demand their conversion.  "Open Source" software is to be "considered" and "promoted" but without clear definitions they could end up with DOCXOct 02 07:32
twitter2or monoOct 02 07:32
twitter2-> Develop a strategy to adopt prevailing open standards for data, documents, maps, and otherOct 02 07:33
twitter2 formats of media;Oct 02 07:33
cubezzzchange the name from "free software" to "liberty software"Oct 02 07:34
twitter2this looks positive, but it's really a delaying tactic.  "You are hereby directed to study this [while I continue to waste public money on M$ Word]"Oct 02 07:34
cubezzzbusinesses just don't like the word freeOct 02 07:34
twitter2some businesses don'tOct 02 07:35
twitter2most people doOct 02 07:35
cubezzzor just say freedom softwareOct 02 07:35
twitter2the term "free software" intentionally takes advantage of cold war propaganda, or philosophy, about freedom.Oct 02 07:36
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twitter2you are supposed to think of the "free world" and "free market" vrs the centralized Soviet monstrosity of non free softwareOct 02 07:37
twitter2Mayor Sam Adams.  That's nice too.Oct 02 07:38
twitter2Riots!  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/world/27protest.html?hpwOct 02 07:39
twitter2http://news.google.com/news?q=Schenley+Plaza&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8Oct 02 07:40
cubezzzdid anyone ever make an AM radio card for the computer?Oct 02 07:40
cubezzzI always see FM radio cardsOct 02 07:40
twitter2-> plumes of white smoke could be seen rising near Bigelow Boulevard and officers beating cadence on plastic shields with long batons marched down Forbes Avenue, driving back students, onlookers and journalists... It was the second consecutive night of turbulence in the bustling streets surrounding the university, where crowds of bar-hoppers were largely displaced by fleets of police vans, armored vehicles and phalanxes of officerOct 02 07:41
twitter2just plug a radio into our line in -> cubezzz: did anyone ever make an AM radio card for the computer?Oct 02 07:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolists Require Overhaul in Business from Litigation to Production http://bit.ly/12ySZ4Oct 02 07:42
cubezzzA PC generates a considerable amount of interference at theOct 02 07:42
cubezzzfrequencies that AM radio uses.Oct 02 07:42
cubezzzok, that explains thatOct 02 07:42
twitter2so keep the radio outside of the caseOct 02 07:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #Microsoft Stuffed and Ruined #ISO Permanently http://bit.ly/14Y9h0Oct 02 07:43
Omar87Hi all.Oct 02 07:43
Omar87Good morning/afternoon/evening to eveyone.Oct 02 07:43
cubezzzhelloOct 02 07:43
cubezzz2:45 am hereOct 02 07:44
vcentyes, you can buy complete communications receivers that are plug in cards for computers.Oct 02 07:44
Omar879:45 AM here. :)Oct 02 07:44
*twitter2 ignores mutex/vcent flafish trollOct 02 07:44
twitter2midnight hereOct 02 07:44
cubezzzvcent, any ones you recommend?Oct 02 07:44
vcentI only know of one maker, ill find em for youOct 02 07:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Spoil OpenGL Fun, Reduce Innovation http://bit.ly/uxU03 #swpat http://techdirt.com/articles/20090930/0158056366.shtmlOct 02 07:46
cubezzzthere's something called the "RadioShark"Oct 02 07:47
cubezzzusb I thinkOct 02 07:47
*schestowitz sets ban on vcent!*@*Oct 02 07:48
*schestowitz has kicked vcent from #boycottnovell (User terminated!)Oct 02 07:48
cubezzzoh well :)Oct 02 07:48
schestowitzI'm not going to wait until Mutex abuses. Banned like 40 times nowOct 02 07:48
cubezzzguess I'll use google thenOct 02 07:48
schestowitzSOrry.. :-)Oct 02 07:49
cubezzzno biggieOct 02 07:49
schestowitzDidn't realise you were having a conversationOct 02 07:49
cubezzzhe hasn't seemed _that_ bad latelyOct 02 07:49
twitter2big beefy soldiers and riot police beating down 20 year old girls http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/pittsburgh/s_646042.htmlOct 02 07:49
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cubezzzRadioShark is pretty affordableOct 02 07:50
cubezzzah, I think I get it :)Oct 02 07:54
cubezzzthanksOct 02 07:54
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #Microsoft Product Gets Buried: #Recite http://ping.fm/fQOAXOct 02 09:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Does any PC supplier who says "we recommend Windows Vista xxxxx" deserve your custom? I would doubt their expertise if they recommend Vista.Oct 02 09:55
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Company That Attacks #ODF Gains More Control of #ODF (and Why Open Source Should be Careful, Too) http://ping.fm/l1JoPOct 02 10:26
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/01/twitter_lists_testing/Oct 02 10:26
schestowitz"According to the web analysts at StatCounter, Microsoft's Bing search engine continued its worldwide decline in September, down to 2.59 per cent, a slippage of 28 per cent per cent from its peak of 3.59 percent in July."Oct 02 10:28
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/01/bad_web_news_for_microsoft/Oct 02 10:28
schestowitzBong down. Rename didn't workOct 02 10:28
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schestowitzhttp://www.dailymarkets.com/stocks/2009/10/01/could-goldman-sachs-share-gm%E2%80%99s-fate/Oct 02 10:39
schestowitzhttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=azjNMDpPrrEwOct 02 10:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ellison on cloud computing (again): http://ping.fm/vobGcOct 02 10:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Firms issued TV licence warning - What a joke. http://tinyurl.com/yccynlqOct 02 10:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Guinean soldiers massacre 157 pro-democracy protesters" http://ping.fm/qBzfP Protest privileges not to be taken for grantedOct 02 10:55
schestowitzBy 2050, 25m more children will go hungry as climate change leads to food crisis http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/sep/30/food-crisis-malnurtrition-climate-changeOct 02 10:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Fast Antarctic Ice: Go, Speed Glacier, Go!" http://ping.fm/OrS5FOct 02 10:58
schestowitz"British lawyers for 16 Palestinians are seeking to obtain an international arrest warrant for the Israeli defence minister, Ehud Barak, in a London court over alleged war crimes in the Gaza Strip." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/29/ehud-barak-warrant-war-crimes-gazaOct 02 10:58
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Redhat on Bilski http://i5.be/MqOct 02 11:03
cubezzzDavid MacKenzie's blog may be of interentOct 02 11:08
cubezzzinterest :)Oct 02 11:08
cubezzzhttp://blog.djmnet.org/Oct 02 11:08
schestowitzIt's about Macs, it seemsOct 02 11:25
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Trying to download postgres plus advanced server but enterprisedb.com is broken, stupid web registration page.Oct 02 11:46
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schestowitzhttp://michal.hrusecky.net/index.php/blog/show/My-talks-at-openSUSE-Conference-2009.htmlOct 02 11:50
schestowitzoiaohm: I quoted you in a post about Intel and patentsOct 02 11:51
oiaohmI get quoted a lot.  schestowitzOct 02 11:56
oiaohmBoy I had a argument with another it.Oct 02 11:56
oiaohmThe it did not like being told Ok so that is hard with Linux do it with windows.Oct 02 11:57
oiaohmIt was have OS and boot loader on two different drives.Oct 02 11:57
oiaohmFound out that neither was friendly.Oct 02 11:57
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schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8285380.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8285380.stm)Oct 02 12:10
schestowitz Gas mask bra traps Ig Nobel prizeOct 02 12:10
AdusDo you just spend all day reading news?Oct 02 12:11
schestowitzbblOct 02 12:12
*schestowitz goes to gymOct 02 12:12
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #Windows security is unparalleled - 59%! http://bit.ly/2cWHx4Oct 02 13:20
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Is trying to write an #IRC bot in #Python, and he could really use some help/guidance/assisstance/whatever..Oct 02 14:22
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schestowitzI won the rowing!Oct 02 15:10
schestowitzMy main rival almost passed out. He turned purple.Oct 02 15:10
schestowitzIrate iPhone owner allegedly shows gun to Apple Store worker < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/10/02/iphone_shooting/ > Ah... Apple fansOct 02 15:11
schestowitz"It’s also alleged that Goodrich then opened his shirt to reveal a 9mm handgun, adding: “I’ll do it right now. Look!”"Oct 02 15:13
schestowitzThere's an app for that, TOO!Oct 02 15:13
schestowitzhttp://techdirt.com/articles/20091001/1819526398.shtml (Obama Administration: Shield Law Should Only Protect Journalists If We Don't Care About The Story)Oct 02 15:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another dead newspaper: "Lessons from the Rocky Mountain News" http://ping.fm/1563dOct 02 15:17
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schestowitzFree MP3s... If You Sit Through An Ad < http://techdirt.com/articles/20091001/0333186385.shtml > Many artists found better modelsOct 02 15:20
*schestowitz listens to 1300 songs that the singer chose to share freelyOct 02 15:20
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smellyhippyall at once? :DOct 02 15:24
oiaohmI can see my ad block scripts being upgraded schestowitzOct 02 15:26
schestowitzLinuxCon: Some advice from Uncle Dirk < http://lwn.net/Articles/353845/ >Oct 02 15:26
schestowitzsmellyhippy: in my playlistOct 02 15:26
schestowitzhttp://sites.google.com/site/sxsw2009torrent/files/SXSW_2009_Showcasing_Artists_Part1.torrent?attredirects=0Oct 02 15:27
schestowitzhttp://sites.google.com/site/sxsw2009torrent/files/SXSW_2009_Showcasing_Artists_Part2.torrent?attredirects=0Oct 02 15:27
schestowitzhttp://sites.google.com/site/sxsw2009torrent/files/SXSW_2009_Showcasing_Artists_Part3.torrent?attredirects=0Oct 02 15:27
schestowitzoiaohm: I use adblock plus in thunderbirdOct 02 15:28
schestowitzI like to adjust it by nuking all graphic banners tooOct 02 15:28
schestowitzSo I'm left mostly with content and a very bloated blacklistOct 02 15:28
schestowitzNew X.Org Release Process Has Been Reached < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzU3Ng >Oct 02 15:30
schestowitz"The developers also want to pull the X.Org drivers back into the X Server core, which was done previously before their modularization, but they want to put the drivers back into core in order to come back to a more coherent API. This though will not be happening until early 2011 or so (around X Server 1.10). "Oct 02 15:30
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oiaohmIts also required for something important schestowitzOct 02 15:34
oiaohm3d acceleration across different makes of video cards connected to 1 x11 server.Oct 02 15:35
schestowitzIs X cadence over?Oct 02 15:35
oiaohmSo drivers have to be able to work with each other and transfer memory and the like between each other.Oct 02 15:35
schestowitzoiaohm: like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqB01Cp_wPMOct 02 15:35
schestowitz("Some folks running Quake 3 on a 12 machine Linux cluster with a total of 24 monitors and using the cool Gyro Mouse."Oct 02 15:36
oiaohmThat is already back in schestowitzOct 02 15:36
oiaohmSupport for doing that  returned with 1.7Oct 02 15:36
oiaohmThat would have been same video card type schestowitzOct 02 15:37
schestowitzI know, that's the pointOct 02 15:38
oiaohmCrossing mult makes of video cards adds a whole stack the problems.Oct 02 15:38
schestowitzVista had similar issuesOct 02 15:38
schestowitzSo VIsta 7 also, unless they fixed itOct 02 15:38
schestowitzHold on, I'll get the refOct 02 15:38
oiaohm1.7 has mult user allowance.Oct 02 15:38
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=vista+dual+aero+different+brand&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Oct 02 15:38
oiaohmSo two different cards can be issues to two different users.Oct 02 15:39
schestowitzI can't find it offhand. I wrote about it in 06/07Oct 02 15:39
oiaohmNo issues.Oct 02 15:39
oiaohmOk not exactly no issue.Oct 02 15:39
oiaohmI don't know how well ATI closed source and Nvidia closed source drivers are going to take to it.Oct 02 15:40
oiaohmI guess not happy.Oct 02 15:40
schestowitzThe Bizarre Cathedral - 54 < http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_54 >Oct 02 15:40
schestowitzATI?Oct 02 15:40
schestowitzAlmost abandoned brand name, despite the promiseOct 02 15:40
oiaohmvga arbitor support for 2.6.32 and 1.7 xorg techically allows you to have an ati and nvidia card in a computer side by side.Oct 02 15:41
oiaohmIf there drivers can get along.Oct 02 15:41
oiaohmI wish I was not waiting on the following list.Oct 02 15:42
oiaohmKontact for windows so open source email server could be used without major issues.Oct 02 15:43
oiaohmADS server on Linux.Oct 02 15:43
oiaohmThose two would allow me to make the Linux desktop progress a lot.Oct 02 15:43
oiaohmhttp://www.fsf.org/news/gnu-bucks  Now I have to try some time to get 1.Oct 02 15:46
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schestowitzhttp://www.ruminationsonthedigitalrealm.org/portal/open-source-promotion/the-next-wave-of-feminism-crashes-on-the-foss-shoresOct 02 15:48
schestowitz"Oct 02 15:48
schestowitzCarla confesses at LX-er (tuxchick) that she is massively moderating comments:Oct 02 15:48
schestowitz"Yes vect, I've been moderating the heck out of the Shuttleworth discussion, because 95% of the comments are rubbish. I think my favorite is "Nina got what she deserved." When you actually listen to and understand Mark's keynote, when you have something that is not utterly stupid and repetitious to say it will get posted. As for a posting a warning that comments are going to be moderated, why bother? The ones who need to know thatOct 02 15:48
schestowitzwon't read it.Oct 02 15:48
schestowitz Kontact for windows?Oct 02 15:49
schestowitz"Oct 02 15:51
schestowitzMy name is Tracy Anne Barlow, I'm a contributing editor at LXer.Oct 02 15:51
schestowitzI've said it on LXer, and I'll say it here. There was nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with Mark Shuttleworth's use of language in his keynote. His use of Language was little different from mine, and the majority of English speakers from South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.Oct 02 15:51
schestowitz"Oct 02 15:51
schestowitz"Oct 02 15:52
schestowitzHis use of language was inclusionary. I personally would have taken insult had he said Guys and Gals or any other turn of phrase that specifically separated me and my gender from the rest of the guys.Oct 02 15:52
schestowitzGet off his back, he owes no one any apology.Oct 02 15:52
schestowitz"Oct 02 15:52
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schestowitzhttp://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Protecode-1051716.htmlOct 02 15:54
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Evening Standard to pay readers to take it http://notnews.today.com/?p=677Oct 02 15:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] According to this - http://ping.fm/yFKXv - LSE makes it official and dumps .NET for GNU/Linux!Oct 02 16:02
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schestowitzhttp://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=1911&mn=93891&pt=msg&amp;mid=7990711Oct 02 16:22
schestowitzOh, SCO investors talk about us?Oct 02 16:23
schestowitzhttp://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=1911&mn=93911&pt=msg&mid=7995862Oct 02 16:37
schestowitzhttp://crankyoldnutcase.blogspot.com/2009/10/whats-this-about-our-community-and.htmlOct 02 16:38
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20091001211424451&title=Congrats%2C+a+badge+of+honor&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=791196#c791198Oct 02 16:40
schestowitzTurns out this http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28081/1090/ used to have a tasteless headline ("Shuttleworth employee calls boss sexist") before the editors changed itOct 02 17:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Is trying to write an #IRC bot in #Python, and he could really use some help/guidance/assistance/etcOct 02 17:08
schestowitzOmar871: cool!Oct 02 17:13
Omar871schestowitz: Yup! :)Oct 02 17:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @omar_s_hafez Is trying to write an #IRC bot in #Python, and he could really use some help/guidance/assistance/etcOct 02 17:14
schestowitzSomeone should shut Varghese up. http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28163/1090/Oct 02 17:14
schestowitzHe's trying to cause trouble in Ubuntu (ping jono )Oct 02 17:14
Omar871schestowitz: So, now, I almost know exactly what I want my bot to do (for now). Just a cute, handsome bot that waits at the gate of the channel for the visitors to come, then greets them and shows them around. :)Oct 02 17:15
schestowitzFirst it was this storm in a teacup. http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28081/1090/Oct 02 17:15
schestowitzOmar871: find the library to connects to IRC in PythonOct 02 17:15
schestowitzI have the Perl one, which I useOct 02 17:15
schestowitzIRC.PM or something, can't recall nowOct 02 17:16
Omar871schestowitz: Some ppl suggest I use twisted for that.Oct 02 17:16
schestowitzI had to compile also a twitter PM from CPAN dbOct 02 17:16
schestowitzOmar871: Twisted is needed also for this IRC applet that does Web-based accessOct 02 17:16
schestowitzIt needs Twisted, which has like a thousand files.Oct 02 17:17
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schestowitzLook at .. wait.. I'll get you linksOct 02 17:17
schestowitzYou can reuse some GPL s/wOct 02 17:17
schestowitzhttp://qwebirc.org/faq#installationOct 02 17:18
schestowitzhttp://twistedmatrix.com/trac/Oct 02 17:18
Omar871schestowitz: I'd be very, very.. very thankful. ^^Oct 02 17:18
schestowitzRip apart what's doing the connection to IRCOct 02 17:18
Omar871schestowitz: I've just installed twisted using easy_install.Oct 02 17:18
schestowitzJust make sure yours is GPL tooOct 02 17:18
oiaohmschestowitz:  sorry was away.  I need kontact for windows.  Because connecting open source groupware servers to Outlook costs money and Evolution for windows suxs.Oct 02 17:18
Omar871schestowitz: Of course.Oct 02 17:18
oiaohmIt is helpful for everyone to be using the same program for training as well schestowitz.Oct 02 17:19
schestowitzoiaohm: the kollab guys intended to make from Kontact a business that's x-platformOct 02 17:19
oiaohmWho I am waiting for to get Kontact for windows complete schestowitzOct 02 17:19
schestowitz"But that seems unlikely, if one goes by a second post from Robert who writes that Shuttleworth has indicated to her in private that he will not be issuing any apology. This second post cites three cases of what Robert interprets as sexism in the keynote."Oct 02 17:20
schestowitzSome women say that it wasn't sexistOct 02 17:20
schestowitzThey make a mountain out of this molehill. I guess it means news is lowOct 02 17:20
schestowitz*slowOct 02 17:20
schestowitzI just ignore itOct 02 17:21
oiaohmDoes not matter.Oct 02 17:21
oiaohmMore people will know who Shuttleworth is.Oct 02 17:21
oiaohmso Ubuntu will be able to sell more.Oct 02 17:21
schestowitzMark does the right thing by staying out of itOct 02 17:21
oiaohmThere is no such thing as bad advertisement.Oct 02 17:21
schestowitzI'm finding lots of Linux news from AU this weekOct 02 17:21
schestowitzNo idea whyOct 02 17:21
oiaohmJust adverisement you have not worked out how to explot.Oct 02 17:21
schestowitzhttp://www.computerworld.com.au/article/320792/linux_australia_linux_conf_au_domain_has_futureOct 02 17:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Info_Activism What are people twittering about in your region or in different parts of the world? Check out: http://trendsmap.com/Oct 02 17:22
oiaohmschestowitz: Australian Linux confs up coming schestowitzOct 02 17:22
schestowitzhttp://www.techworld.com.au/article/140548/nsw_revenue_office_bets_linux_agilityOct 02 17:22
schestowitzWhere's trmanco?Oct 02 17:22
oiaohmThey need matterial for the introduction to australia bits.Oct 02 17:22
schestowitzStallman offers prizes for finding free software faults < http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2250473/stallman-offers-prizes-finding >Oct 02 17:23
Omar871schestowitz: Is it normal that Twisted connot be imported in the Python IDE?Oct 02 17:23
schestowitzOmar871: I didn't use it in an IDEOct 02 17:23
jonohey schestowitzOct 02 17:24
jono(on the phone)Oct 02 17:24
oiaohmReally NSW just came into line schestowitzOct 02 17:24
schestowitzSam causes trouble againOct 02 17:24
schestowitzJust thought I'd let you knowOct 02 17:24
oiaohmFedieral level tax office here has run Linux for years schestowitzOct 02 17:24
oiaohmto be correct novell Linux.Oct 02 17:24
schestowitzoiaohm: virtualisedOct 02 17:24
oiaohmNoOct 02 17:24
oiaohmA supercomputer.Oct 02 17:25
schestowitzAhOct 02 17:25
schestowitzBut it's more than one placeOct 02 17:25
oiaohmThat works out who has been cheating on there tax.Oct 02 17:25
oiaohm4 buildings schestowitzOct 02 17:25
oiaohmNot exactly decentralised.Oct 02 17:25
schestowitzDefence spends $1.7m on ultimate Linux flight simulator http://www.itnews.com.au/News/154262,defence-spends-17m-on-ultimate-linux-flight-simulator.aspxOct 02 17:25
schestowitzWA councils go virtual with Linux, Xen http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1971464960;fp;2;fpid;1Oct 02 17:26
schestowitzhttp://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/windows_7/what_ballmers_salary_says_about_microsofts_fortunes.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535 "After all, if recent history is any indication, Microsoft will be much less forgiving of projects that don't perform strongly ... at least until the recession is firmly in the rearview mirror."Oct 02 17:27
schestowitzWhy do people still assume it's a temporary recession?Oct 02 17:27
oiaohmBoy its up.Oct 02 17:27
schestowitzThere is no substance for an economic rennaisance other than more borrowingsOct 02 17:27
oiaohmNormally this time of year lead of to Linux conf you see 1 or 2Oct 02 17:27
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schestowitzHi, magentarOct 02 17:28
schestowitzAnd mrunderstoodOct 02 17:28
schestowitzoiaohm: when it LCA?Oct 02 17:28
AdusBoom -> Bust -> Recession... Basic Adam SmithOct 02 17:28
Adus:pOct 02 17:28
oiaohmLCA2010 will be held from Monday 18 January to Saturday 23 January 2010   << Yes its a long lead up schestowitzOct 02 17:29
schestowitzhttp://www.kdenews.org/2009/10/01/amarok-22-sunjammer-releasedOct 02 17:30
oiaohmWhat is normally on the topic list gets set in november the year before schestowitzOct 02 17:30
oiaohmIe between now and then lot of Linux news normally comes out.Oct 02 17:31
*schestowitz <3 amarokOct 02 17:31
schestowitzAdus: debt->bigger debt -> banruptcy. Banking 101?Oct 02 17:31
schestowitz*nkrOct 02 17:31
schestowitzFUnny thing is, IRaq used to be a centre of intellectualsOct 02 17:32
schestowitzMany star names and mathematics came from thereOct 02 17:32
AdusYes, but the recession will end. It's basic Economics, then we'll have another boom, another crash etc :pOct 02 17:32
schestowitzAnd now the US is riding Iraq's a**eOct 02 17:32
schestowitzAdus: when do the grandkids pay back?Oct 02 17:33
schestowitzAdus: hold on, I want to show you a new articleOct 02 17:33
schestowitzSeen it yesterday s/wOct 02 17:33
schestowitzOut of my buffer :-(Oct 02 17:34
AdusYou have about as much chance of making Osama Bin Laden a Christian as you do convincing me that your whole stance is right :pOct 02 17:35
oiaohmQuestion is MS having recession problems.Oct 02 17:35
oiaohmOr competition problems.Oct 02 17:35
schestowitzUS dollar set to be eclipsed, World Bank president predictsOct 02 17:36
oiaohmCompetition problems are not going to go away.Oct 02 17:36
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/sep/28/us-dollar-usurped-china-euro-world-bank Monday 28 September 2009 17.26 BSTOct 02 17:36
AdusRecession problems I would imagineOct 02 17:36
schestowitzNoOct 02 17:36
schestowitzCurrency standardOct 02 17:36
oiaohmAdus I would say not.Oct 02 17:36
oiaohmHow come Linux is still selling well.Oct 02 17:36
schestowitzIt makes no political sense for CHina to trade in USDOct 02 17:36
schestowitzSoon it will make no /economic/ sense, eitherOct 02 17:37
oiaohmMS cannot be just recession problems alone.Oct 02 17:37
AdusI'm assuming you have some fancy graphs and figures to back you up?Oct 02 17:37
oiaohmThe question is how much is competiion how much is recession.Oct 02 17:37
oiaohmNo fancy graphics.Oct 02 17:37
schestowitzoiaohm: GOOG and IBM do OKOct 02 17:38
schestowitzRHT:NYSE alsoOct 02 17:38
oiaohmJust stock exchange reports.Oct 02 17:38
oiaohmOnly Linux company suffering is novel.Oct 02 17:38
schestowitzYesOct 02 17:38
schestowitzNovell is NOT a linux companyOct 02 17:38
schestowitzLinux at Novell is upOct 02 17:38
oiaohmThat is the problem.Oct 02 17:38
oiaohmNovell closed source arm is suffering that is why it is down.Oct 02 17:39
oiaohmthere seams to be a major trend against closed source products.Oct 02 17:39
oiaohmIBM has also reported it closed source sales are down.Oct 02 17:39
oiaohmBut its open source is up so income did not change.Oct 02 17:40
schestowitz" The administration of the Danish municipality of Lyngby-Taarbæk is installing OpenOffice on some 1700 school desktop PCs, the administration announced yesterday." http://www.osor.eu/news/dk-lyngby-taarbek-moves-schools-to-openofficeOct 02 17:41
schestowitz\o/Oct 02 17:41
oiaohmAdus problem with trends started by a Recession they don't stop just because recession ends.Oct 02 17:41
AdusWe'll see :)Oct 02 17:42
oiaohmRemember Linux will get a ADS server before end of year AdusOct 02 17:43
oiaohmthat can sync with windows ADS serversOct 02 17:43
AdusWell, I have an interest in Microsoft doing wellOct 02 17:43
oiaohmIts not going to.Oct 02 17:43
AdusWe will see. I think you are deluded my friend :)Oct 02 17:44
AdusYou don't want it to do well.Oct 02 17:44
oiaohmRedhat has also declared it wants 50 pecent of the small business market.Oct 02 17:44
AdusMaybe I'll start my own company and proclaim I want 99% of the desktop marketOct 02 17:45
Adusdoesn't mean I'll get it,.Oct 02 17:45
oiaohmScary part about this everything Redhat has declared something like that.  They have got it.Oct 02 17:45
oiaohmThere is also arm they will be wanting into the small server market.Oct 02 17:45
AdusIf Red Hat get 50% of the small buisness market I'll eat my own hand.Oct 02 17:46
oiaohmI will not hold you to that AdusOct 02 17:46
oiaohmRemember windows server don't run on arm AdusOct 02 17:46
oiaohmRedhat does.Oct 02 17:47
AdusIf Microsoft felt they needed that market, it would.Oct 02 17:47
schestowitzhttp://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/417-unmount-external-peripherals-easy-way-with-eject-300Oct 02 17:47
oiaohmArm 8 core chips barely pull power.Oct 02 17:47
oiaohmAt full load.Oct 02 17:47
oiaohmdoes not help the AdusOct 02 17:47
oiaohmits like MS in the PPC market.Oct 02 17:47
oiaohmMS applications are highly x86 tied.Oct 02 17:48
AdusFunny, because the Xbox 360 is PPCOct 02 17:48
Adusand basically Windows 2000Oct 02 17:48
Adus:)Oct 02 17:48
oiaohmXbox 360 had new applications made.Oct 02 17:48
oiaohmNot existing AdusOct 02 17:48
AdusDirectX didn't exist before the Xbox?Oct 02 17:48
AdusOdd.Oct 02 17:48
oiaohmBusiness have a third party programs.Oct 02 17:49
oiaohmthat MS would have to get ported.Oct 02 17:49
AdusI don't disagree, but I disagree that it's an insumountable problem if they really wanted that market.Oct 02 17:49
oiaohmSo stuffing MS up.Oct 02 17:49
oiaohmIts time AdusOct 02 17:49
schestowitzBig discussion now... http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/09/29/explaining-to-girls/Oct 02 17:49
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] US Visa application not possible if you use free software http://tr.im/AshYOct 02 17:50
oiaohmRedhat will have about 3 years to self before MS can respond AdusOct 02 17:50
schestowitzwhat do you have with Microsoft, Adus?Oct 02 17:50
schestowitzContract or common framework?Oct 02 17:50
AdusWhat?Oct 02 17:50
schestowitzYou want them to succeedOct 02 17:50
AdusI'm an FTE and Shareholder.Oct 02 17:50
schestowitzOKOct 02 17:51
oiaohmBecides open source still has the cannot beat them join them card to play AdusOct 02 17:51
AdusA whois would probably have told you that schestowitzOct 02 17:51
schestowitzAdus:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_time_equivalent ?Oct 02 17:51
AdusFull-time employeeOct 02 17:51
schestowitzOKOct 02 17:52
schestowitzFair enoughOct 02 17:52
AdusWe have different classes of people at Microsoft. FTEs, CSGs etcOct 02 17:52
schestowitzcj was on contract\Oct 02 17:52
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Aduscj?Oct 02 17:52
schestowitzcollierOct 02 17:52
schestowitzMono guyOct 02 17:52
AdusCSG = ContractorOct 02 17:52
AdusNot sure to be honest.Oct 02 17:52
schestowitzMicrosoft cut many XSGsOct 02 17:53
schestowitzThey don't need to report this to inevstorsOct 02 17:53
schestowitzSame with tempsOct 02 17:53
schestowitzSome protested, Bishop covered itOct 02 17:53
schestowitzNovell is similarOct 02 17:53
AdusYeh, they cut far more contractors than ftes. But they numbers they reported were the overall headcount cutsOct 02 17:53
schestowitzQuiet cuts, offshoringOct 02 17:53
Aduswhich includes contractorsOct 02 17:53
schestowitz10kOct 02 17:54
schestowitzAnd.....Oct 02 17:54
schestowitzThe margins still were lowOct 02 17:54
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schestowitzProfits down 30% despite wages decreasingOct 02 17:54
oiaohmAdus:  I guess dell using Linux as a spare wheel to windows as not gone over well.Oct 02 17:54
AdusI can't comment for the whole of Microsoft unfortunaley. I only live in a little cornerOct 02 17:54
oiaohmFunny thing is most of the plan that is going to be used against MS Adus was planed for the year 2000 but everything went wrong.Oct 02 17:56
schestowitzhttp://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/160115.asp?source=rssOct 02 17:56
schestowitz“Just how many contractors who work for Microsoft will lose their jobs? Microsoft will not comment. But the tally is probably close to if not more than 5,000.”Oct 02 17:56
AdusMicrosoft announced 5000 job cuts, and then additional after it.Oct 02 17:56
schestowitzI know.Oct 02 17:57
AdusIt's not like they are trying to cover it up, but yes, it sucks.Oct 02 17:57
schestowitzIt's not over yetOct 02 17:57
AdusI luckily work in a department which is receiving more investment currently.Oct 02 17:57
schestowitzhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoftpri0/2009801373_microsoftlayingoff27employeesinredmondandbellevue.html?syndication=rssOct 02 17:57
schestowitzhttp://www.examiner.com/x-16587-Seattle-Executive-Careers-Examiner~y2009m9d4-Microsoft-has-another-lay-off-Should-you-careOct 02 17:57
oiaohmThe thing I am wonder Adus how many more before they start cutting into core developers.Oct 02 17:57
schestowitzhttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/microsoft-to-lay-off-27-employees-in-redmond-and-bellevue.arsOct 02 17:57
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/04/microsoft_27_redmond_bellevue_layoffs/Oct 02 17:57
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/09/microsoft_cuts_27_more_jobs.htmlOct 02 17:57
schestowitzhttp://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/178299.aspOct 02 17:57
AdusYes, I am aware thank you very much.Oct 02 17:58
oiaohmIe there is a max number of developers you can lay off before you harm development.Oct 02 17:58
schestowitzBing loses market share, tooOct 02 17:58
schestowitzSo the Web divisions is hit severelyOct 02 17:58
schestowitz*divisionOct 02 17:58
AdusI'm not in the web division :pOct 02 17:58
schestowitzThe Entertainment division of Bach alsoOct 02 17:58
oiaohmI would get OS releated AdusOct 02 17:59
schestowitzThey try to expandOct 02 17:59
schestowitzGreed.Oct 02 17:59
AdusWell, I'm in the Xbox divisionOct 02 17:59
oiaohmopps get/guessOct 02 17:59
schestowitzEven Apple didn't go this farOct 02 17:59
Aduswhich is still expanding currentlyOct 02 17:59
schestowitzIt would be like Apple buying AMD and making a SEOct 02 17:59
schestowitzMicrosoft thought about entering the chip business in 2005Oct 02 17:59
oiaohmThat has been the other thing I have seen a lot of MS games cut.Oct 02 17:59
schestowitzAdus: xbox loses moneyOct 02 17:59
Adusschestowitz: Xbox does, the Xbox Project doesn't,Oct 02 18:00
oiaohmIncome from gamesOct 02 18:00
schestowitzhttp://minimsft.blogspot.com/2008/01/raikes-and-other-exits.htmlOct 02 18:00
schestowitz"It’s weird that Mini and all the commenters here have failed to notice the mass exodus from the Xbox team in 2007. By my count, more than 15% of the product team (dev/PM/test) have left Microsoft for Apple, Sony, Google, Yahoo, MySpace, Amazon, and various other companies (including several startups, local and in the Valley)… "Oct 02 18:00
AdusAnyway, I'm not in marketing or anything and I'm not really interested in discussing Microsoft economicsOct 02 18:00
AdusNeither me nor you have a firm understanding of the situationOct 02 18:00
AdusOnly the finance people here doOct 02 18:00
schestowitzoiaohm: games are made not just by MSOct 02 18:01
schestowitzMS takes levyOct 02 18:01
oiaohmExactly schestowitzOct 02 18:01
AdusI'm a developer.Oct 02 18:01
oiaohmLot of money comes in there.Oct 02 18:01
schestowitzOverall, bottom line, xbox lost money in last qtrOct 02 18:01
schestowitzThey lost YuOct 02 18:01
AdusYes, but IEB did not.Oct 02 18:01
schestowitzOr was it another name?Oct 02 18:01
schestowitzWait.Oct 02 18:01
schestowitzANd Chris SaschellOct 02 18:01
AdusIEB made profit, not a whole lotOct 02 18:01
schestowitzAnd the director who ran to AppleOct 02 18:01
schestowitzSony loses LOADS tooOct 02 18:02
schestowitzNintendo hit the jackpotOct 02 18:02
schestowitzhttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-September/008793.htmlOct 02 18:02
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/01/bad_web_news_for_microsoft/Oct 02 18:03
schestowitz"According to the web analysts at StatCounter, Microsoft's Bing search engine continued its worldwide decline in September, down to 2.59 per cent, a slippage of 28 per cent per cent from its peak of 3.59 percent in July."Oct 02 18:03
schestowitzStatCounter seems like the only notable _global_ surveyOct 02 18:04
schestowitzRest are US-onlyOct 02 18:04
schestowitzGoogle commands next to 90% in reality. Like WIndows on desktop... with about 12% split b/w Linux and AppleOct 02 18:05
oiaohmhttp://www.google.com/patents/about?id=z_WAAAAAEBAJ&dq=7255627  Some patents are like what the.Oct 02 18:06
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schestowitzhttp://www.tuxmachines.org/node/40011Oct 02 18:09
schestowitzRed Hat does goodOct 02 18:09
AdusTiem for the pub I thinkOct 02 18:11
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AdusSee ya folks :)Oct 02 18:11
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schestowitzhttp://geekfeminism.org/2009/09/28/a-followup-on-the-shuttleworth-incident/Oct 02 18:14
schestowitzIt's interesting how many Microsoft employees occasionally hang out here without saying soOct 02 18:15
schestowitzI had to squeeze it out of himOct 02 18:15
schestowitzFirst Look at Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala Beta http://lifehacker.com/5372301/first-look-at-ubuntu-910-karmic-koala-beta/gallery/Oct 02 18:15
schestowitzhttp://www.openlogic.com/blogs/2009/10/openproj-when-an-open-source-company-gets-acquired-what-happens-to-the-project/Oct 02 18:17
schestowitz"About a year ago, Projity was bought by Serena Software.  Serena said that they would continue to offer OpenProj under an open source license, but would roll the On Demand functionality into another proprietary product — Serena Mariner."Oct 02 18:17
schestowitz"However the committers on OpenProj seem to all be employees of Serena.  Although they continue to add patches to OpenProj, they no longer respond to any questions or issues on the forums or mailing lists.  They have posted nothing to the developer list in the last year. "Oct 02 18:17
schestowitzSpringSourc...Oct 02 18:17
schestowitzEMC will just strain the juice out of its usersOct 02 18:18
Diablo-D3wtf is openproj?Oct 02 18:18
Omar871schestowitz: So Ubuntu ain't evil no more?Oct 02 18:18
schestowitzDiablo-D3 would lik this: http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/10/kde-plus-pulseaudio-does-not-equal-sucks/Oct 02 18:20
schestowitzOmar871: it never wasOct 02 18:20
Omar871schestowitz: I'm glad to hear that. ^^Oct 02 18:21
schestowitzIt delivers Mono in Ubuntu, but I'm a KDE user, so it doesn't affect meOct 02 18:21
Omar871schestowitz: Oh, yeah, I forgot. :)Oct 02 18:21
schestowitzThe evil Linux is the one from Caldera/SCOOct 02 18:21
Omar871schestowitz: So, basically, even Xubuntu can be considered 100% free.Oct 02 18:22
Omar871schestowitz: And don't forget.. Novell.Oct 02 18:22
schestowitzSLEOct 02 18:24
Diablo-D3schestowitz: pulseaudio + anything equals suckOct 02 18:24
Diablo-D3pulseaudio cannot handle low latency audioOct 02 18:24
Diablo-D3period.Oct 02 18:25
schestowitzOpenSUSE only helps in the sense that it shares underlying stuff like yastOct 02 18:25
schestowitzDiablo-D3: I don't use itOct 02 18:25
schestowitzNo problem hereOct 02 18:25
schestowitzIt worked fine in Mandriva KDE, BTWOct 02 18:25
Omar871schestowitz: And SLE, as far as I've heard is getting even crappier than ever.Oct 02 18:25
schestowitzIt's no RHELOct 02 18:26
schestowitzThey try to spice it up with Microsoft 'stuff'Oct 02 18:26
schestowitzAD, OOXML, Mono....Oct 02 18:26
schestowitzhttp://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/09/30/mozilla-firefox-disconnected-installer/Oct 02 18:27
Diablo-D3schestowitz: using straight alsa with a few tweaks for my card is perfectOct 02 18:33
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @thecomicproject: Dint know MH was a new country RT @babychen: RT @kasturitagore: No BJP promise for work permits... http://bit.ly/I7MdYOct 02 18:34
WiNRadio_PCR1000http://linux.wareseeker.com/Oct 02 18:38
schestowitz"On the next page, I'll wrap up my lovefest for KDE 4, and add in some thoughts on what I'd like to see taken care of in future version updates."Oct 02 18:39
schestowitzhttp://techgage.com/article/kde_4_isnt_too_bad_after_allOct 02 18:39
schestowitzGood review for KDE4 from 'press'Oct 02 18:39
schestowitzDiablo-D3: did you try 4.3?Oct 02 18:39
schestowitzJust yes or noOct 02 18:39
Diablo-D3schestowitz: noOct 02 18:39
schestowitzOkayOct 02 18:39
schestowitzI personally like itOct 02 18:40
Diablo-D3I still cant figure out how to make it stop being uglyOct 02 18:40
schestowitzI know others who do tooOct 02 18:40
schestowitzIncluding former GNOMersOct 02 18:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @JohnBirmingham My Monthly essay on the media's future history. http://bit.ly/3FKLGOct 02 18:40
schestowitzWhat's 'ugly'(ier) in my kde is gtk appsOct 02 18:40
schestowitzWiNRadio_PCR1000: nice siteOct 02 18:41
WiNRadio_PCR1000I thought so.Oct 02 18:41
schestowitzWin-only shareware. http://wareseeker.com/System/win-backup-software-1.7.5.zip/403088Oct 02 18:41
schestowitzIs the lInus section new?Oct 02 18:42
WiNRadio_PCR1000I dont know I only just found it.Oct 02 18:42
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] If you RT promos to win something, you are a spammer. Do you feel like a spammer? You are though. Stop it.Oct 02 18:43
schestowitzNew video from (Tony) Novell showed up in RSS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3U_5a6bk6MOct 02 18:43
schestowitzWiNRadio_PCR1000: package managers make it more obsoleteOct 02 18:44
schestowitzPeople just browse by search/filter on app, then use tickboxesOct 02 18:44
schestowitzIn Mandrive it has descriptions and in newer  Ubuntu screenshots alsoOct 02 18:44
WiNRadio_PCR1000Thats good, it's an effective systemOct 02 18:46
schestowitzI haven't kept track of SUSEOct 02 18:49
schestowitzSince 9.2Oct 02 18:49
schestowitzMaybe they have that tooOct 02 18:49
schestowitzhttp://tuxtraining.com/2009/09/26/zypper-cheatsheets-for-opensuseOct 02 18:50
schestowitzmore zypper stuff: http://www.phocean.net/2009/09/26/how-to-activate-music-preview-in-nautilus.htmlOct 02 18:50
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @MediaStorm Insane but Fabulous NASA Photo Destroyed a Camera Lens http://ow.ly/sjSXOct 02 19:09
Diablo-D3hehOct 02 19:11
Diablo-D3I beat davidOct 02 19:11
Diablo-D3thats already today's miotdOct 02 19:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] A handbook for the open source community! http://www.derailingfordummies.com/Oct 02 19:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Australia Chooses #GNU #Linux for the Real, Important Work http://bit.ly/3IwK4pOct 02 19:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @malini_aisola: RT @ellenthoen: MSF's Campaign to support the UNITAID Patent Pool Initiative: http://bit.ly/lhsG0Oct 02 19:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #OpenBlockS #Server Runs #Linux http://bit.ly/2SSR62Oct 02 19:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Kernel #Space Gets Graphics Part More Neatly Integrated http://bit.ly/atIWYOct 02 19:23
Diablo-D3wow the pandora is finally coming outOct 02 19:30
Diablo-D3http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/pandora-rolls-into-production-this-month-emulates-dreamcast-now/Oct 02 19:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Top Libre Applications for Video Production in #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/2leeGjOct 02 19:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment 4 Surprises Reviewer for the Better http://bit.ly/VCEtR #kde4Oct 02 19:35
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -based Internet Device Runs on #ARM http://bit.ly/wcQlcOct 02 19:44
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @brionv Very cool demos of Raphaël cross-browser vector JS library: http://raphaeljs.com/ #svgwebOct 02 19:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android Consortium Grows http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/146233Oct 02 19:53
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sugar Ponders Becoming a #GNU #Linux Distributor for Sub-notebooks http://bit.ly/19lYQh #olpcOct 02 19:56
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Ubuntu ARM 7" tablet $250, on sale now http://bit.ly/3fexoW stylus, but otherwise winner!Oct 02 19:58
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Fan Explains Why the #GPL Wins Against EULA http://bit.ly/Q7ZPzOct 02 20:10
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Called a "Racket" http://bit.ly/JnMOUOct 02 20:20
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Tells the United States #SupremeCourt to Rubbish #SoftwarePatents http://bit.ly/C5B5A #swpat http://bit.ly/1VtwfkOct 02 20:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] tech support job from purgatory http://b3ta.com/questions/helpdesk/post529277Oct 02 20:24
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-phIRCe/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] tech support job from purgatory http://b3ta.com/questions/helpdesk/post529277Oct 02 20:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Korea Gets Punished for Permitting Monoculture to Happen http://bit.ly/2Q1qMyOct 02 20:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Danish #Municipality Moves City to #ODF , #FreeSoftware http://bit.ly/gm62O Schols first.Oct 02 20:34
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schestowitzSome PR bunny just mailed me an Embargoed press release for no reason..Oct 02 20:44
schestowitzThey seem to be mass-sending them using agenciesOct 02 20:44
Omar871Anybody having trouble accessing bitbucket like me?Oct 02 20:44
schestowitz"Hi, Nicole, Thanks a lot for the mail. I mostly focus on GNU/Linux and Free software. I appreciate receiving information in advance, especially if it suits my area of interest. This seems a little beyond my scope."Oct 02 20:46
schestowitzOIN did the sameOct 02 20:46
schestowitzOIn is like a companyOct 02 20:46
schestowitzAnd Peer 2 PatentOct 02 20:46
schestowitz"Check This US Visa application not possible if you use free software http://tr.im/AshY"Oct 02 20:47
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schestowitz*LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QapZI2cLQQOct 02 21:00
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trmancohehOct 02 21:06
trmanco"every single blowjob on the internet"Oct 02 21:06
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schestowitzwb, _Hicham_Oct 02 21:40
_Hicham_thanks Lord SchestowitzOct 02 21:41
schestowitzYour friend Daemon has seizures, two in fact. Severe concussions.Oct 02 21:41
schestowitzHe came to the channel looking for sympathyOct 02 21:42
_Hicham_schestowitz : I don't have lunatic friendsOct 02 21:44
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trmancowhat happened to him?Oct 02 21:54
MinceRhttp://apple.slashdot.org/story/09/10/02/1214248/Apple-Wants-Patents-For-Crippling-Cellphones?from=rssOct 02 22:05
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MinceRone patent i really hope they'll sue everyone for infringing on!Oct 02 22:05
*tessier is looking forward to the patent armageddonOct 02 22:09
schestowitztrmanco: risk of death, it sounds to me...Oct 02 22:13
trmanco:|Oct 02 22:15
MinceRi don't think he has quite the right idea on how to get sympathy of all thingsOct 02 22:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Search Dives 28%. Time to Call it Quits? http://bit.ly/20hLhOct 02 22:19
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Carries on Losing Business http://ping.fm/ZTz4POct 02 22:48
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trmancoagain?Oct 02 22:58
_Hicham_again what trmanco ?Oct 02 22:59
trmanconetsplitOct 02 22:59
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schestowitzIt's _Hicham_'s faultOct 02 23:08
schestowitzHe JINXED it!Oct 02 23:08
_Hicham_schestowitz : I don't understand !Oct 02 23:09
schestowitzSee? :-)Oct 02 23:09
schestowitzThat's my pointOct 02 23:09
schestowitzYou're a witchOct 02 23:09
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaUOct 02 23:10
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trmancoloooolOct 02 23:17
_Hicham_I am on a very slow connection right nowOct 02 23:19
_Hicham_so I can't watch youtube videosOct 02 23:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LSE Dumps .NET and Moves to #GNU #Linux — Claim http://ping.fm/uZURQOct 02 23:24
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Amazon settles 1984 big brother case, agrees to not to remotely delete paid for books, still has technical ability to http://ur1.ca/cuozOct 02 23:53
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