cubezzz | it's the design of unix that made Gnu and Linux possible | Oct 02 00:02 |
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cubezzz | Stallman could replace each component step by step, gradually making a complete system | Oct 02 00:03 |
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cubezzz | the crazy part is, Stallman did this when BSD was already open | Oct 02 00:06 |
Diablo-D3 | he didnt like bsd because it could become closed source again | Oct 02 00:08 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #AMD / #ATI Comparison Between #FreeSoftware and Non-Free Software (Driver) http://bit.ly/44itQB | Oct 02 00:08 | |
amarsh04 | who or what is the company general atomics? | Oct 02 00:08 |
Diablo-D3 | ooh | Oct 02 00:08 |
Diablo-D3 | Ive heard that one | Oct 02 00:09 |
Diablo-D3 | oh yeah! they make the predator UAV's | Oct 02 00:09 |
amarsh04 | one of their people was at a function last night where the south australian leader was assulted | Oct 02 00:10 |
Diablo-D3 | they're one of those atypical 1950s nuclear tech companies | Oct 02 00:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Openshot a Big Step Forward for GNU/Linux Video Editing http://bit.ly/19qkjx http://bit.ly/3JNdOc http://www.nillabyte.com/blog.php?b=262 | Oct 02 00:10 | |
Diablo-D3 | amarsh04: not a big thing | Oct 02 00:10 |
Diablo-D3 | they supply military weapons | Oct 02 00:10 |
Diablo-D3 | unless they were doing the assulting themselves, I wouldnt really link the two | Oct 02 00:10 |
amarsh04 | like tenix? | Oct 02 00:10 |
amarsh04 | no, it was someone who had gate-crashed from another function at the same location | Oct 02 00:11 |
Diablo-D3 | amarsh04: tenix seems to be higher up in the food chain | Oct 02 00:11 |
amarsh04 | ah right, tenix seem to use abandoned factories here for short-term uses related to military contracts | Oct 02 00:12 |
Diablo-D3 | but, yeah, same business | Oct 02 00:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Glimpse at #Celestia Space #Simulation http://bit.ly/Mukbs I like #Stellarium | Oct 02 00:16 | |
amarsh04 | one thing I don't like is sometime how people aren't encouraged to write down their own observations as soon as possible after an incident (ie before they start chatting to others) | Oct 02 00:16 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amarok 2.2 is Released http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.2 | Oct 02 00:19 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] A Google Wave story without an MS shill being quoted, this is why I like CH4 News http://tinyurl.com/ycge858 | Oct 02 00:21 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo and #Sabayon Power Put Closer Together http://planet.sabayonlinux.org/?p=1184 Fabio explains... | Oct 02 00:21 | |
cubezzz | Ch4 News could lighten up on the flash usage | Oct 02 00:22 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Minimalist #Puppy #Linux 4.3 and #DamnSmall Linux Reviewed http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/354928/9d81d667909b6e1d/ http://bit.ly/kwZN1 | Oct 02 00:28 | |
_goblin | May have a little story on my hands...giving the ex-editor of Neowin an interview (who has now left) I crossed paths with the Neowin site after one of their reporters was posting what I considered to be misleading pro-MS FUD...apparently before the editor left he fired that particular reporter....may make an interesting read... | Oct 02 00:28 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 9.10 Reaches Beta, More Previews Posted http://bit.ly/mYBvO http://bit.ly/EXrKZ http://bit.ly/1xXyqZ | Oct 02 00:31 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Gals and Boys Are Having #LaunchParties and Other Events, Winners http://bit.ly/4XtAA http://bit.ly/13igQL http://bit.ly/qUOEl | Oct 02 00:34 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] [News] "The Linux ecosystem is extremely healthy, always evolving" http://bit.ly/4m8Gd | Oct 02 00:38 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Street-View #Camera Runs #Linux http://bit.ly/mhG7j | Oct 02 00:40 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Smashing New Success for #OLPC Sub-notebooks (with #GNU #Linux ) http://bit.ly/4sgyDh http://bit.ly/5jr9M | Oct 02 00:48 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #Moblin #Remix Debuts (Video) http://bit.ly/6JmFl | Oct 02 00:50 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @mparent77772: Performance Tests Show Windows 7 Only "Marginally" Faster than Vistahttp://bit.ly/2ucjLF #windows | Oct 02 00:56 | |
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schestowitz | gn | Oct 02 01:05 |
twitter1 | just missed him. sleep well, Roy. | Oct 02 01:08 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "'Free' Windows 7 upgrades not always free, says consumer group" http://tinyurl.com/yepasa8 #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #windows7 | Oct 02 02:24 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I think I will skip deployment/upgrade of Ubuntu on my secondary rigs until 10.04..Wolvix 2beta still running on my main one. Very happy! | Oct 02 02:27 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] After a few plays the novelty of Quake live has worn off...unless you can spend hours playing it and practicing, its not much fun IMO. | Oct 02 02:47 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Theres some very good players who obviously have spent alot of time practicing, unfortunately it doesn't make it fun for the newer player. | Oct 02 02:48 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I think I now have the "gaming" bug out of my system and I remember why I am not a gamer! | Oct 02 02:49 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking at new releases (not games) theres plenty of stuff to look at. Next up the new features of the latest build of Wine. | Oct 02 02:50 | |
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vcent | the company I used to work for had a Quake afternoon every friday, they would buy pizza and bear, and the whole company from the director down would all play quake over the company network, was fun. department agaist department | Oct 02 03:11 |
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Will_ | Been trying to download the Ubuntu beta most of the day. I think the servers might be getting hammered. | Oct 02 03:39 |
Will_ | Ah, the biannual stress test of Canonical's servers. | Oct 02 03:42 |
sebsebseb | Will_: Why? 9.10 is ok, but not amazing | Oct 02 03:43 |
sebsebseb | Will_: plus even with Beta something could go wrong, and then give you a reason to clean install the final | Oct 02 03:43 |
Will_ | sebsebseb: Just wanted to try the live CD/USB. Probably won't do a real install until shortly after final release. | Oct 02 03:44 |
sebsebseb | oh ok | Oct 02 03:45 |
Will_ | Still wishing Ubuntu would start moving away from the brown/orange motif, though. | Oct 02 03:46 |
Will_ | But that's just me. I change it immediately after install | Oct 02 03:46 |
sebsebseb | change it to what | Oct 02 03:46 |
sebsebseb | ? | Oct 02 03:46 |
Will_ | Depends. At the moment, I'm using the Gnome/Shiki/Arc Colors theme. I just settle on one theme for a while, and sooner or later another one comes along that I like even better. | Oct 02 03:47 |
sebsebseb | I like the default theme enough to not bother changing it, well I might do the blue clearlooks | Oct 02 03:48 |
Will_ | But at this rate, there's a good chance the next theme I switch to might be "KDE4" | Oct 02 03:48 |
sebsebseb | KDE 4 :( | Oct 02 03:49 |
sebsebseb | except for some of the apps in Gnome | Oct 02 03:49 |
Will_ | I use a mix of G and K apps no matter which DE I'm in. | Oct 02 03:49 |
sebsebseb | shame the KDE 3 series is on the verge of dieing | Oct 02 03:49 |
sebsebseb | GDM theme well I like blubuntu | Oct 02 03:50 |
Will_ | It was a good DE. Now I'm just hoping 4 is up to speed. I'm giving them until 4.4 before I pass any judgment on it. | Oct 02 03:50 |
Will_ | Kinda wondering if the Gnome 3 transition will be rocky too. | Oct 02 03:52 |
Will_ | and where will it put Compiz? | Oct 02 03:52 |
sebsebseb | Blubuntu being in the repo | Oct 02 03:52 |
sebsebseb | KDE 4 I don't think so | Oct 02 03:54 |
sebsebseb | or not soon, I just can't | Oct 02 03:54 |
sebsebseb | it's to differnet from KDE 3 | Oct 02 03:54 |
sebsebseb | so I go off it, I don't want to customize, I want good defaults | Oct 02 03:54 |
sebsebseb | and what I have seen of KDE 4, that's so not it | Oct 02 03:54 |
Will_ | blubuntu looks nice. I'll have to try it. At one time I thought the blubuntu blue was a little too light/bright, but the recent look is ok. Don't know if they actually changed it, or if I just changed my mind on it. | Oct 02 03:55 |
sebsebseb | the theme itself some error probably | Oct 02 03:55 |
sebsebseb | ,but the gdm background and the not that good wall paper should go on | Oct 02 03:55 |
sebsebseb | gdm background uh theme | Oct 02 03:56 |
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Will_ | net split? | Oct 02 04:13 |
Balrog_ | yes, big net split | Oct 02 04:13 |
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ziggyfish_ | interesting http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138476/Rule_change_could_make_Apple_revenue_appear_larger?source=rss_news | Oct 02 05:30 |
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twitter2 | leaping lizards! rocket tension in Nevada! http://www.ahpra.org/gila.htm | Oct 02 05:33 |
twitter2 | that's got to be the biggest cardboard rocket I've ever seen | Oct 02 05:33 |
twitter2 | they also have a big lizard | Oct 02 05:36 |
twitter2 | poison lizard | Oct 02 05:36 |
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satipera | I am a little confused as to the latest situation. Are M$ allowing oem's to put any skew of vista 7 on any machine they want or are they still restricting it to "basic" for what they define as a netbook? | Oct 02 06:29 |
twitter2 | You will have to ask the OEMs. Netbook hardware has been crippled by M$ for years and OEMs have complained about it but I doubt they will give you details because they are afraid of retail strangulation. Shame because M$ will screw them in any case. | Oct 02 06:31 |
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satipera | So there are no published easy to follow standards then. | Oct 02 06:32 |
twitter2 | there have been leaks of general rules but it's all smoke and mirrors from M$. | Oct 02 06:32 |
twitter2 | screen size, CPU, HD and RAM sizes have all been limited in the past. | Oct 02 06:33 |
satipera | Okay, thanks for that Twitter2 | Oct 02 06:33 |
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twitter2 | Hmm, he left before I could give him links. shame | Oct 02 06:34 |
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ziggyfish_ | what links | Oct 02 06:34 |
twitter2 | I collect them, wait a moment | Oct 02 06:35 |
twitter2 | here's a relatively recent collection http://slashdot.org/submission/1063345/5-Netbooks-M-has-Killed | Oct 02 06:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Centre of Linux Development Also a Likely "Open Source Mecca" http://www.daniweb.com/news/story226660.html | Oct 02 07:21 | |
twitter2 | "Mecca" ? more smear for both Islam and free software? | Oct 02 07:24 |
schestowitz | Well, whatever | Oct 02 07:24 |
schestowitz | FOllow the link | Oct 02 07:24 |
twitter2 | It's funny that M$ uses the term "jihad" for their swindles | Oct 02 07:24 |
twitter2 | cool -> "open source city," making its data as open as possible while respecting privacy, and buying open source applications when possible. | Oct 02 07:25 |
twitter2 | why, though, do they avoid the word "free"? | Oct 02 07:26 |
twitter2 | following the link, they seem to be getting it -> WHEREAS, Open Source Software can enable the City of Portland to use, copy, customize and redistribute software it deploys for government services | Oct 02 07:29 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Companies Without Licence for Non-free Software Should Consider #GNU #Linux Migration http://bit.ly/2vu7gN | Oct 02 07:32 | |
twitter2 | This is a good start, but the bill is weak. It does not ban non free formats or demand their conversion. "Open Source" software is to be "considered" and "promoted" but without clear definitions they could end up with DOCX | Oct 02 07:32 |
twitter2 | or mono | Oct 02 07:32 |
twitter2 | -> Develop a strategy to adopt prevailing open standards for data, documents, maps, and other | Oct 02 07:33 |
twitter2 | formats of media; | Oct 02 07:33 |
cubezzz | change the name from "free software" to "liberty software" | Oct 02 07:34 |
twitter2 | this looks positive, but it's really a delaying tactic. "You are hereby directed to study this [while I continue to waste public money on M$ Word]" | Oct 02 07:34 |
cubezzz | businesses just don't like the word free | Oct 02 07:34 |
twitter2 | some businesses don't | Oct 02 07:35 |
twitter2 | most people do | Oct 02 07:35 |
cubezzz | or just say freedom software | Oct 02 07:35 |
twitter2 | the term "free software" intentionally takes advantage of cold war propaganda, or philosophy, about freedom. | Oct 02 07:36 |
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twitter2 | you are supposed to think of the "free world" and "free market" vrs the centralized Soviet monstrosity of non free software | Oct 02 07:37 |
twitter2 | Mayor Sam Adams. That's nice too. | Oct 02 07:38 |
twitter2 | Riots! http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/world/27protest.html?hpw | Oct 02 07:39 |
twitter2 | http://news.google.com/news?q=Schenley+Plaza&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 | Oct 02 07:40 |
cubezzz | did anyone ever make an AM radio card for the computer? | Oct 02 07:40 |
cubezzz | I always see FM radio cards | Oct 02 07:40 |
twitter2 | -> plumes of white smoke could be seen rising near Bigelow Boulevard and officers beating cadence on plastic shields with long batons marched down Forbes Avenue, driving back students, onlookers and journalists... It was the second consecutive night of turbulence in the bustling streets surrounding the university, where crowds of bar-hoppers were largely displaced by fleets of police vans, armored vehicles and phalanxes of officer | Oct 02 07:41 |
twitter2 | just plug a radio into our line in -> cubezzz: did anyone ever make an AM radio card for the computer? | Oct 02 07:41 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolists Require Overhaul in Business from Litigation to Production http://bit.ly/12ySZ4 | Oct 02 07:42 | |
cubezzz | A PC generates a considerable amount of interference at the | Oct 02 07:42 |
cubezzz | frequencies that AM radio uses. | Oct 02 07:42 |
cubezzz | ok, that explains that | Oct 02 07:42 |
twitter2 | so keep the radio outside of the case | Oct 02 07:42 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #Microsoft Stuffed and Ruined #ISO Permanently http://bit.ly/14Y9h0 | Oct 02 07:43 | |
Omar87 | Hi all. | Oct 02 07:43 |
Omar87 | Good morning/afternoon/evening to eveyone. | Oct 02 07:43 |
cubezzz | hello | Oct 02 07:43 |
cubezzz | 2:45 am here | Oct 02 07:44 |
vcent | yes, you can buy complete communications receivers that are plug in cards for computers. | Oct 02 07:44 |
Omar87 | 9:45 AM here. :) | Oct 02 07:44 |
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twitter2 | midnight here | Oct 02 07:44 |
cubezzz | vcent, any ones you recommend? | Oct 02 07:44 |
vcent | I only know of one maker, ill find em for you | Oct 02 07:45 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Spoil OpenGL Fun, Reduce Innovation http://bit.ly/uxU03 #swpat http://techdirt.com/articles/20090930/0158056366.shtml | Oct 02 07:46 | |
cubezzz | there's something called the "RadioShark" | Oct 02 07:47 |
cubezzz | usb I think | Oct 02 07:47 |
*schestowitz sets ban on vcent!*@* | Oct 02 07:48 | |
*schestowitz has kicked vcent from #boycottnovell (User terminated!) | Oct 02 07:48 | |
cubezzz | oh well :) | Oct 02 07:48 |
schestowitz | I'm not going to wait until Mutex abuses. Banned like 40 times now | Oct 02 07:48 |
cubezzz | guess I'll use google then | Oct 02 07:48 |
schestowitz | SOrry.. :-) | Oct 02 07:49 |
cubezzz | no biggie | Oct 02 07:49 |
schestowitz | Didn't realise you were having a conversation | Oct 02 07:49 |
cubezzz | he hasn't seemed _that_ bad lately | Oct 02 07:49 |
twitter2 | big beefy soldiers and riot police beating down 20 year old girls http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/pittsburgh/s_646042.html | Oct 02 07:49 |
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cubezzz | RadioShark is pretty affordable | Oct 02 07:50 |
cubezzz | ah, I think I get it :) | Oct 02 07:54 |
cubezzz | thanks | Oct 02 07:54 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #Microsoft Product Gets Buried: #Recite http://ping.fm/fQOAX | Oct 02 09:41 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Does any PC supplier who says "we recommend Windows Vista xxxxx" deserve your custom? I would doubt their expertise if they recommend Vista. | Oct 02 09:55 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Company That Attacks #ODF Gains More Control of #ODF (and Why Open Source Should be Careful, Too) http://ping.fm/l1JoP | Oct 02 10:26 | |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/01/twitter_lists_testing/ | Oct 02 10:26 |
schestowitz | "According to the web analysts at StatCounter, Microsoft's Bing search engine continued its worldwide decline in September, down to 2.59 per cent, a slippage of 28 per cent per cent from its peak of 3.59 percent in July." | Oct 02 10:28 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/01/bad_web_news_for_microsoft/ | Oct 02 10:28 |
schestowitz | Bong down. Rename didn't work | Oct 02 10:28 |
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schestowitz | http://www.dailymarkets.com/stocks/2009/10/01/could-goldman-sachs-share-gm%E2%80%99s-fate/ | Oct 02 10:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=azjNMDpPrrEw | Oct 02 10:39 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ellison on cloud computing (again): http://ping.fm/vobGc | Oct 02 10:49 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Firms issued TV licence warning - What a joke. http://tinyurl.com/yccynlq | Oct 02 10:51 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Guinean soldiers massacre 157 pro-democracy protesters" http://ping.fm/qBzfP Protest privileges not to be taken for granted | Oct 02 10:55 | |
schestowitz | By 2050, 25m more children will go hungry as climate change leads to food crisis http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/sep/30/food-crisis-malnurtrition-climate-change | Oct 02 10:56 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Fast Antarctic Ice: Go, Speed Glacier, Go!" http://ping.fm/OrS5F | Oct 02 10:58 | |
schestowitz | "British lawyers for 16 Palestinians are seeking to obtain an international arrest warrant for the Israeli defence minister, Ehud Barak, in a London court over alleged war crimes in the Gaza Strip." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/29/ehud-barak-warrant-war-crimes-gaza | Oct 02 10:58 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Redhat on Bilski http://i5.be/Mq | Oct 02 11:03 | |
cubezzz | David MacKenzie's blog may be of interent | Oct 02 11:08 |
cubezzz | interest :) | Oct 02 11:08 |
cubezzz | http://blog.djmnet.org/ | Oct 02 11:08 |
schestowitz | It's about Macs, it seems | Oct 02 11:25 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Trying to download postgres plus advanced server but enterprisedb.com is broken, stupid web registration page. | Oct 02 11:46 | |
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schestowitz | http://michal.hrusecky.net/index.php/blog/show/My-talks-at-openSUSE-Conference-2009.html | Oct 02 11:50 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: I quoted you in a post about Intel and patents | Oct 02 11:51 |
oiaohm | I get quoted a lot. schestowitz | Oct 02 11:56 |
oiaohm | Boy I had a argument with another it. | Oct 02 11:56 |
oiaohm | The it did not like being told Ok so that is hard with Linux do it with windows. | Oct 02 11:57 |
oiaohm | It was have OS and boot loader on two different drives. | Oct 02 11:57 |
oiaohm | Found out that neither was friendly. | Oct 02 11:57 |
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schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8285380.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8285380.stm) | Oct 02 12:10 |
schestowitz | Gas mask bra traps Ig Nobel prize | Oct 02 12:10 |
Adus | Do you just spend all day reading news? | Oct 02 12:11 |
schestowitz | bbl | Oct 02 12:12 |
*schestowitz goes to gym | Oct 02 12:12 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #Windows security is unparalleled - 59%! http://bit.ly/2cWHx4 | Oct 02 13:20 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] No porto sentado a olhar pras pombas... | Oct 02 13:49 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Is trying to write an #IRC bot in #Python, and he could really use some help/guidance/assisstance/whatever.. | Oct 02 14:22 | |
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schestowitz | I won the rowing! | Oct 02 15:10 |
schestowitz | My main rival almost passed out. He turned purple. | Oct 02 15:10 |
schestowitz | Irate iPhone owner allegedly shows gun to Apple Store worker < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/10/02/iphone_shooting/ > Ah... Apple fans | Oct 02 15:11 |
schestowitz | "It’s also alleged that Goodrich then opened his shirt to reveal a 9mm handgun, adding: “I’ll do it right now. Look!”" | Oct 02 15:13 |
schestowitz | There's an app for that, TOO! | Oct 02 15:13 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091001/1819526398.shtml (Obama Administration: Shield Law Should Only Protect Journalists If We Don't Care About The Story) | Oct 02 15:16 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another dead newspaper: "Lessons from the Rocky Mountain News" http://ping.fm/1563d | Oct 02 15:17 | |
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schestowitz | Free MP3s... If You Sit Through An Ad < http://techdirt.com/articles/20091001/0333186385.shtml > Many artists found better models | Oct 02 15:20 |
*schestowitz listens to 1300 songs that the singer chose to share freely | Oct 02 15:20 | |
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smellyhippy | all at once? :D | Oct 02 15:24 |
oiaohm | I can see my ad block scripts being upgraded schestowitz | Oct 02 15:26 |
schestowitz | LinuxCon: Some advice from Uncle Dirk < http://lwn.net/Articles/353845/ > | Oct 02 15:26 |
schestowitz | smellyhippy: in my playlist | Oct 02 15:26 |
schestowitz | http://sites.google.com/site/sxsw2009torrent/files/SXSW_2009_Showcasing_Artists_Part1.torrent?attredirects=0 | Oct 02 15:27 |
schestowitz | http://sites.google.com/site/sxsw2009torrent/files/SXSW_2009_Showcasing_Artists_Part2.torrent?attredirects=0 | Oct 02 15:27 |
schestowitz | http://sites.google.com/site/sxsw2009torrent/files/SXSW_2009_Showcasing_Artists_Part3.torrent?attredirects=0 | Oct 02 15:27 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: I use adblock plus in thunderbird | Oct 02 15:28 |
schestowitz | I like to adjust it by nuking all graphic banners too | Oct 02 15:28 |
schestowitz | So I'm left mostly with content and a very bloated blacklist | Oct 02 15:28 |
schestowitz | New X.Org Release Process Has Been Reached < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzU3Ng > | Oct 02 15:30 |
schestowitz | "The developers also want to pull the X.Org drivers back into the X Server core, which was done previously before their modularization, but they want to put the drivers back into core in order to come back to a more coherent API. This though will not be happening until early 2011 or so (around X Server 1.10). " | Oct 02 15:30 |
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oiaohm | Its also required for something important schestowitz | Oct 02 15:34 |
oiaohm | 3d acceleration across different makes of video cards connected to 1 x11 server. | Oct 02 15:35 |
schestowitz | Is X cadence over? | Oct 02 15:35 |
oiaohm | So drivers have to be able to work with each other and transfer memory and the like between each other. | Oct 02 15:35 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqB01Cp_wPM | Oct 02 15:35 |
schestowitz | ("Some folks running Quake 3 on a 12 machine Linux cluster with a total of 24 monitors and using the cool Gyro Mouse." | Oct 02 15:36 |
oiaohm | That is already back in schestowitz | Oct 02 15:36 |
oiaohm | Support for doing that returned with 1.7 | Oct 02 15:36 |
oiaohm | That would have been same video card type schestowitz | Oct 02 15:37 |
schestowitz | I know, that's the point | Oct 02 15:38 |
oiaohm | Crossing mult makes of video cards adds a whole stack the problems. | Oct 02 15:38 |
schestowitz | Vista had similar issues | Oct 02 15:38 |
schestowitz | So VIsta 7 also, unless they fixed it | Oct 02 15:38 |
schestowitz | Hold on, I'll get the ref | Oct 02 15:38 |
oiaohm | 1.7 has mult user allowance. | Oct 02 15:38 |
schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=vista+dual+aero+different+brand&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Oct 02 15:38 |
oiaohm | So two different cards can be issues to two different users. | Oct 02 15:39 |
schestowitz | I can't find it offhand. I wrote about it in 06/07 | Oct 02 15:39 |
oiaohm | No issues. | Oct 02 15:39 |
oiaohm | Ok not exactly no issue. | Oct 02 15:39 |
oiaohm | I don't know how well ATI closed source and Nvidia closed source drivers are going to take to it. | Oct 02 15:40 |
oiaohm | I guess not happy. | Oct 02 15:40 |
schestowitz | The Bizarre Cathedral - 54 < http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_54 > | Oct 02 15:40 |
schestowitz | ATI? | Oct 02 15:40 |
schestowitz | Almost abandoned brand name, despite the promise | Oct 02 15:40 |
oiaohm | vga arbitor support for 2.6.32 and 1.7 xorg techically allows you to have an ati and nvidia card in a computer side by side. | Oct 02 15:41 |
oiaohm | If there drivers can get along. | Oct 02 15:41 |
oiaohm | I wish I was not waiting on the following list. | Oct 02 15:42 |
oiaohm | Kontact for windows so open source email server could be used without major issues. | Oct 02 15:43 |
oiaohm | ADS server on Linux. | Oct 02 15:43 |
oiaohm | Those two would allow me to make the Linux desktop progress a lot. | Oct 02 15:43 |
oiaohm | http://www.fsf.org/news/gnu-bucks Now I have to try some time to get 1. | Oct 02 15:46 |
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schestowitz | http://www.ruminationsonthedigitalrealm.org/portal/open-source-promotion/the-next-wave-of-feminism-crashes-on-the-foss-shores | Oct 02 15:48 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 02 15:48 |
schestowitz | Carla confesses at LX-er (tuxchick) that she is massively moderating comments: | Oct 02 15:48 |
schestowitz | "Yes vect, I've been moderating the heck out of the Shuttleworth discussion, because 95% of the comments are rubbish. I think my favorite is "Nina got what she deserved." When you actually listen to and understand Mark's keynote, when you have something that is not utterly stupid and repetitious to say it will get posted. As for a posting a warning that comments are going to be moderated, why bother? The ones who need to know that | Oct 02 15:48 |
schestowitz | won't read it. | Oct 02 15:48 |
schestowitz | Kontact for windows? | Oct 02 15:49 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 02 15:51 |
schestowitz | My name is Tracy Anne Barlow, I'm a contributing editor at LXer. | Oct 02 15:51 |
schestowitz | I've said it on LXer, and I'll say it here. There was nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with Mark Shuttleworth's use of language in his keynote. His use of Language was little different from mine, and the majority of English speakers from South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. | Oct 02 15:51 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 02 15:51 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 02 15:52 |
schestowitz | His use of language was inclusionary. I personally would have taken insult had he said Guys and Gals or any other turn of phrase that specifically separated me and my gender from the rest of the guys. | Oct 02 15:52 |
schestowitz | Get off his back, he owes no one any apology. | Oct 02 15:52 |
schestowitz | " | Oct 02 15:52 |
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schestowitz | http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Protecode-1051716.html | Oct 02 15:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NotN: Evening Standard to pay readers to take it http://notnews.today.com/?p=677 | Oct 02 15:56 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] According to this - http://ping.fm/yFKXv - LSE makes it official and dumps .NET for GNU/Linux! | Oct 02 16:02 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=1911&mn=93891&pt=msg&mid=7990711 | Oct 02 16:22 |
schestowitz | Oh, SCO investors talk about us? | Oct 02 16:23 |
schestowitz | http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=1911&mn=93911&pt=msg&mid=7995862 | Oct 02 16:37 |
schestowitz | http://crankyoldnutcase.blogspot.com/2009/10/whats-this-about-our-community-and.html | Oct 02 16:38 |
schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20091001211424451&title=Congrats%2C+a+badge+of+honor&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=791196#c791198 | Oct 02 16:40 |
schestowitz | Turns out this http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28081/1090/ used to have a tasteless headline ("Shuttleworth employee calls boss sexist") before the editors changed it | Oct 02 17:04 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Is trying to write an #IRC bot in #Python, and he could really use some help/guidance/assistance/etc | Oct 02 17:08 | |
schestowitz | Omar871: cool! | Oct 02 17:13 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: Yup! :) | Oct 02 17:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @omar_s_hafez Is trying to write an #IRC bot in #Python, and he could really use some help/guidance/assistance/etc | Oct 02 17:14 | |
schestowitz | Someone should shut Varghese up. http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28163/1090/ | Oct 02 17:14 |
schestowitz | He's trying to cause trouble in Ubuntu (ping jono ) | Oct 02 17:14 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: So, now, I almost know exactly what I want my bot to do (for now). Just a cute, handsome bot that waits at the gate of the channel for the visitors to come, then greets them and shows them around. :) | Oct 02 17:15 |
schestowitz | First it was this storm in a teacup. http://www.itwire.com/content/view/28081/1090/ | Oct 02 17:15 |
schestowitz | Omar871: find the library to connects to IRC in Python | Oct 02 17:15 |
schestowitz | I have the Perl one, which I use | Oct 02 17:15 |
schestowitz | IRC.PM or something, can't recall now | Oct 02 17:16 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: Some ppl suggest I use twisted for that. | Oct 02 17:16 |
schestowitz | I had to compile also a twitter PM from CPAN db | Oct 02 17:16 |
schestowitz | Omar871: Twisted is needed also for this IRC applet that does Web-based access | Oct 02 17:16 |
schestowitz | It needs Twisted, which has like a thousand files. | Oct 02 17:17 |
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schestowitz | Look at .. wait.. I'll get you links | Oct 02 17:17 |
schestowitz | You can reuse some GPL s/w | Oct 02 17:17 |
schestowitz | http://qwebirc.org/faq#installation | Oct 02 17:18 |
schestowitz | http://twistedmatrix.com/trac/ | Oct 02 17:18 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: I'd be very, very.. very thankful. ^^ | Oct 02 17:18 |
schestowitz | Rip apart what's doing the connection to IRC | Oct 02 17:18 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: I've just installed twisted using easy_install. | Oct 02 17:18 |
schestowitz | Just make sure yours is GPL too | Oct 02 17:18 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: sorry was away. I need kontact for windows. Because connecting open source groupware servers to Outlook costs money and Evolution for windows suxs. | Oct 02 17:18 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: Of course. | Oct 02 17:18 |
oiaohm | It is helpful for everyone to be using the same program for training as well schestowitz. | Oct 02 17:19 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: the kollab guys intended to make from Kontact a business that's x-platform | Oct 02 17:19 |
oiaohm | Who I am waiting for to get Kontact for windows complete schestowitz | Oct 02 17:19 |
schestowitz | "But that seems unlikely, if one goes by a second post from Robert who writes that Shuttleworth has indicated to her in private that he will not be issuing any apology. This second post cites three cases of what Robert interprets as sexism in the keynote." | Oct 02 17:20 |
schestowitz | Some women say that it wasn't sexist | Oct 02 17:20 |
schestowitz | They make a mountain out of this molehill. I guess it means news is low | Oct 02 17:20 |
schestowitz | *slow | Oct 02 17:20 |
schestowitz | I just ignore it | Oct 02 17:21 |
oiaohm | Does not matter. | Oct 02 17:21 |
oiaohm | More people will know who Shuttleworth is. | Oct 02 17:21 |
oiaohm | so Ubuntu will be able to sell more. | Oct 02 17:21 |
schestowitz | Mark does the right thing by staying out of it | Oct 02 17:21 |
oiaohm | There is no such thing as bad advertisement. | Oct 02 17:21 |
schestowitz | I'm finding lots of Linux news from AU this week | Oct 02 17:21 |
schestowitz | No idea why | Oct 02 17:21 |
oiaohm | Just adverisement you have not worked out how to explot. | Oct 02 17:21 |
schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/320792/linux_australia_linux_conf_au_domain_has_future | Oct 02 17:22 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @Info_Activism What are people twittering about in your region or in different parts of the world? Check out: http://trendsmap.com/ | Oct 02 17:22 | |
oiaohm | schestowitz: Australian Linux confs up coming schestowitz | Oct 02 17:22 |
schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/140548/nsw_revenue_office_bets_linux_agility | Oct 02 17:22 |
schestowitz | Where's trmanco? | Oct 02 17:22 |
oiaohm | They need matterial for the introduction to australia bits. | Oct 02 17:22 |
schestowitz | Stallman offers prizes for finding free software faults < http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2250473/stallman-offers-prizes-finding > | Oct 02 17:23 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: Is it normal that Twisted connot be imported in the Python IDE? | Oct 02 17:23 |
schestowitz | Omar871: I didn't use it in an IDE | Oct 02 17:23 |
jono | hey schestowitz | Oct 02 17:24 |
jono | (on the phone) | Oct 02 17:24 |
oiaohm | Really NSW just came into line schestowitz | Oct 02 17:24 |
schestowitz | Sam causes trouble again | Oct 02 17:24 |
schestowitz | Just thought I'd let you know | Oct 02 17:24 |
oiaohm | Fedieral level tax office here has run Linux for years schestowitz | Oct 02 17:24 |
oiaohm | to be correct novell Linux. | Oct 02 17:24 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: virtualised | Oct 02 17:24 |
oiaohm | No | Oct 02 17:24 |
oiaohm | A supercomputer. | Oct 02 17:25 |
schestowitz | Ah | Oct 02 17:25 |
schestowitz | But it's more than one place | Oct 02 17:25 |
oiaohm | That works out who has been cheating on there tax. | Oct 02 17:25 |
oiaohm | 4 buildings schestowitz | Oct 02 17:25 |
oiaohm | Not exactly decentralised. | Oct 02 17:25 |
schestowitz | Defence spends $1.7m on ultimate Linux flight simulator http://www.itnews.com.au/News/154262,defence-spends-17m-on-ultimate-linux-flight-simulator.aspx | Oct 02 17:25 |
schestowitz | WA councils go virtual with Linux, Xen http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1971464960;fp;2;fpid;1 | Oct 02 17:26 |
schestowitz | http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/windows_7/what_ballmers_salary_says_about_microsofts_fortunes.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535 "After all, if recent history is any indication, Microsoft will be much less forgiving of projects that don't perform strongly ... at least until the recession is firmly in the rearview mirror." | Oct 02 17:27 |
schestowitz | Why do people still assume it's a temporary recession? | Oct 02 17:27 |
oiaohm | Boy its up. | Oct 02 17:27 |
schestowitz | There is no substance for an economic rennaisance other than more borrowings | Oct 02 17:27 |
oiaohm | Normally this time of year lead of to Linux conf you see 1 or 2 | Oct 02 17:27 |
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schestowitz | Hi, magentar | Oct 02 17:28 |
schestowitz | And mrunderstood | Oct 02 17:28 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: when it LCA? | Oct 02 17:28 |
Adus | Boom -> Bust -> Recession... Basic Adam Smith | Oct 02 17:28 |
Adus | :p | Oct 02 17:28 |
oiaohm | LCA2010 will be held from Monday 18 January to Saturday 23 January 2010 << Yes its a long lead up schestowitz | Oct 02 17:29 |
schestowitz | http://www.kdenews.org/2009/10/01/amarok-22-sunjammer-released | Oct 02 17:30 |
oiaohm | What is normally on the topic list gets set in november the year before schestowitz | Oct 02 17:30 |
oiaohm | Ie between now and then lot of Linux news normally comes out. | Oct 02 17:31 |
*schestowitz <3 amarok | Oct 02 17:31 | |
schestowitz | Adus: debt->bigger debt -> banruptcy. Banking 101? | Oct 02 17:31 |
schestowitz | *nkr | Oct 02 17:31 |
schestowitz | FUnny thing is, IRaq used to be a centre of intellectuals | Oct 02 17:32 |
schestowitz | Many star names and mathematics came from there | Oct 02 17:32 |
Adus | Yes, but the recession will end. It's basic Economics, then we'll have another boom, another crash etc :p | Oct 02 17:32 |
schestowitz | And now the US is riding Iraq's a**e | Oct 02 17:32 |
schestowitz | Adus: when do the grandkids pay back? | Oct 02 17:33 |
schestowitz | Adus: hold on, I want to show you a new article | Oct 02 17:33 |
schestowitz | Seen it yesterday s/w | Oct 02 17:33 |
schestowitz | Out of my buffer :-( | Oct 02 17:34 |
Adus | You have about as much chance of making Osama Bin Laden a Christian as you do convincing me that your whole stance is right :p | Oct 02 17:35 |
oiaohm | Question is MS having recession problems. | Oct 02 17:35 |
oiaohm | Or competition problems. | Oct 02 17:35 |
schestowitz | US dollar set to be eclipsed, World Bank president predicts | Oct 02 17:36 |
oiaohm | Competition problems are not going to go away. | Oct 02 17:36 |
schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/sep/28/us-dollar-usurped-china-euro-world-bank Monday 28 September 2009 17.26 BST | Oct 02 17:36 |
Adus | Recession problems I would imagine | Oct 02 17:36 |
schestowitz | No | Oct 02 17:36 |
schestowitz | Currency standard | Oct 02 17:36 |
oiaohm | Adus I would say not. | Oct 02 17:36 |
oiaohm | How come Linux is still selling well. | Oct 02 17:36 |
schestowitz | It makes no political sense for CHina to trade in USD | Oct 02 17:36 |
schestowitz | Soon it will make no /economic/ sense, either | Oct 02 17:37 |
oiaohm | MS cannot be just recession problems alone. | Oct 02 17:37 |
Adus | I'm assuming you have some fancy graphs and figures to back you up? | Oct 02 17:37 |
oiaohm | The question is how much is competiion how much is recession. | Oct 02 17:37 |
oiaohm | No fancy graphics. | Oct 02 17:37 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: GOOG and IBM do OK | Oct 02 17:38 |
schestowitz | RHT:NYSE also | Oct 02 17:38 |
oiaohm | Just stock exchange reports. | Oct 02 17:38 |
oiaohm | Only Linux company suffering is novel. | Oct 02 17:38 |
schestowitz | Yes | Oct 02 17:38 |
schestowitz | Novell is NOT a linux company | Oct 02 17:38 |
schestowitz | Linux at Novell is up | Oct 02 17:38 |
oiaohm | That is the problem. | Oct 02 17:38 |
oiaohm | Novell closed source arm is suffering that is why it is down. | Oct 02 17:39 |
oiaohm | there seams to be a major trend against closed source products. | Oct 02 17:39 |
oiaohm | IBM has also reported it closed source sales are down. | Oct 02 17:39 |
oiaohm | But its open source is up so income did not change. | Oct 02 17:40 |
schestowitz | " The administration of the Danish municipality of Lyngby-Taarbæk is installing OpenOffice on some 1700 school desktop PCs, the administration announced yesterday." http://www.osor.eu/news/dk-lyngby-taarbek-moves-schools-to-openoffice | Oct 02 17:41 |
schestowitz | \o/ | Oct 02 17:41 |
oiaohm | Adus problem with trends started by a Recession they don't stop just because recession ends. | Oct 02 17:41 |
Adus | We'll see :) | Oct 02 17:42 |
oiaohm | Remember Linux will get a ADS server before end of year Adus | Oct 02 17:43 |
oiaohm | that can sync with windows ADS servers | Oct 02 17:43 |
Adus | Well, I have an interest in Microsoft doing well | Oct 02 17:43 |
oiaohm | Its not going to. | Oct 02 17:43 |
Adus | We will see. I think you are deluded my friend :) | Oct 02 17:44 |
Adus | You don't want it to do well. | Oct 02 17:44 |
oiaohm | Redhat has also declared it wants 50 pecent of the small business market. | Oct 02 17:44 |
Adus | Maybe I'll start my own company and proclaim I want 99% of the desktop market | Oct 02 17:45 |
Adus | doesn't mean I'll get it,. | Oct 02 17:45 |
oiaohm | Scary part about this everything Redhat has declared something like that. They have got it. | Oct 02 17:45 |
oiaohm | There is also arm they will be wanting into the small server market. | Oct 02 17:45 |
Adus | If Red Hat get 50% of the small buisness market I'll eat my own hand. | Oct 02 17:46 |
oiaohm | I will not hold you to that Adus | Oct 02 17:46 |
oiaohm | Remember windows server don't run on arm Adus | Oct 02 17:46 |
oiaohm | Redhat does. | Oct 02 17:47 |
Adus | If Microsoft felt they needed that market, it would. | Oct 02 17:47 |
schestowitz | http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/417-unmount-external-peripherals-easy-way-with-eject-300 | Oct 02 17:47 |
oiaohm | Arm 8 core chips barely pull power. | Oct 02 17:47 |
oiaohm | At full load. | Oct 02 17:47 |
oiaohm | does not help the Adus | Oct 02 17:47 |
oiaohm | its like MS in the PPC market. | Oct 02 17:47 |
oiaohm | MS applications are highly x86 tied. | Oct 02 17:48 |
Adus | Funny, because the Xbox 360 is PPC | Oct 02 17:48 |
Adus | and basically Windows 2000 | Oct 02 17:48 |
Adus | :) | Oct 02 17:48 |
oiaohm | Xbox 360 had new applications made. | Oct 02 17:48 |
oiaohm | Not existing Adus | Oct 02 17:48 |
Adus | DirectX didn't exist before the Xbox? | Oct 02 17:48 |
Adus | Odd. | Oct 02 17:48 |
oiaohm | Business have a third party programs. | Oct 02 17:49 |
oiaohm | that MS would have to get ported. | Oct 02 17:49 |
Adus | I don't disagree, but I disagree that it's an insumountable problem if they really wanted that market. | Oct 02 17:49 |
oiaohm | So stuffing MS up. | Oct 02 17:49 |
oiaohm | Its time Adus | Oct 02 17:49 |
schestowitz | Big discussion now... http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/09/29/explaining-to-girls/ | Oct 02 17:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] US Visa application not possible if you use free software http://tr.im/AshY | Oct 02 17:50 | |
oiaohm | Redhat will have about 3 years to self before MS can respond Adus | Oct 02 17:50 |
schestowitz | what do you have with Microsoft, Adus? | Oct 02 17:50 |
schestowitz | Contract or common framework? | Oct 02 17:50 |
Adus | What? | Oct 02 17:50 |
schestowitz | You want them to succeed | Oct 02 17:50 |
Adus | I'm an FTE and Shareholder. | Oct 02 17:50 |
schestowitz | OK | Oct 02 17:51 |
oiaohm | Becides open source still has the cannot beat them join them card to play Adus | Oct 02 17:51 |
Adus | A whois would probably have told you that schestowitz | Oct 02 17:51 |
schestowitz | Adus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_time_equivalent ? | Oct 02 17:51 |
Adus | Full-time employee | Oct 02 17:51 |
schestowitz | OK | Oct 02 17:52 |
schestowitz | Fair enough | Oct 02 17:52 |
Adus | We have different classes of people at Microsoft. FTEs, CSGs etc | Oct 02 17:52 |
schestowitz | cj was on contract\ | Oct 02 17:52 |
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Adus | cj? | Oct 02 17:52 |
schestowitz | collier | Oct 02 17:52 |
schestowitz | Mono guy | Oct 02 17:52 |
Adus | CSG = Contractor | Oct 02 17:52 |
Adus | Not sure to be honest. | Oct 02 17:52 |
schestowitz | Microsoft cut many XSGs | Oct 02 17:53 |
schestowitz | They don't need to report this to inevstors | Oct 02 17:53 |
schestowitz | Same with temps | Oct 02 17:53 |
schestowitz | Some protested, Bishop covered it | Oct 02 17:53 |
schestowitz | Novell is similar | Oct 02 17:53 |
Adus | Yeh, they cut far more contractors than ftes. But they numbers they reported were the overall headcount cuts | Oct 02 17:53 |
schestowitz | Quiet cuts, offshoring | Oct 02 17:53 |
Adus | which includes contractors | Oct 02 17:53 |
schestowitz | 10k | Oct 02 17:54 |
schestowitz | And..... | Oct 02 17:54 |
schestowitz | The margins still were low | Oct 02 17:54 |
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schestowitz | Profits down 30% despite wages decreasing | Oct 02 17:54 |
oiaohm | Adus: I guess dell using Linux as a spare wheel to windows as not gone over well. | Oct 02 17:54 |
Adus | I can't comment for the whole of Microsoft unfortunaley. I only live in a little corner | Oct 02 17:54 |
oiaohm | Funny thing is most of the plan that is going to be used against MS Adus was planed for the year 2000 but everything went wrong. | Oct 02 17:56 |
schestowitz | http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/160115.asp?source=rss | Oct 02 17:56 |
schestowitz | “Just how many contractors who work for Microsoft will lose their jobs? Microsoft will not comment. But the tally is probably close to if not more than 5,000.” | Oct 02 17:56 |
Adus | Microsoft announced 5000 job cuts, and then additional after it. | Oct 02 17:56 |
schestowitz | I know. | Oct 02 17:57 |
Adus | It's not like they are trying to cover it up, but yes, it sucks. | Oct 02 17:57 |
schestowitz | It's not over yet | Oct 02 17:57 |
Adus | I luckily work in a department which is receiving more investment currently. | Oct 02 17:57 |
schestowitz | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoftpri0/2009801373_microsoftlayingoff27employeesinredmondandbellevue.html?syndication=rss | Oct 02 17:57 |
schestowitz | http://www.examiner.com/x-16587-Seattle-Executive-Careers-Examiner~y2009m9d4-Microsoft-has-another-lay-off-Should-you-care | Oct 02 17:57 |
oiaohm | The thing I am wonder Adus how many more before they start cutting into core developers. | Oct 02 17:57 |
schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/09/microsoft-to-lay-off-27-employees-in-redmond-and-bellevue.ars | Oct 02 17:57 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/04/microsoft_27_redmond_bellevue_layoffs/ | Oct 02 17:57 |
schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/09/microsoft_cuts_27_more_jobs.html | Oct 02 17:57 |
schestowitz | http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/178299.asp | Oct 02 17:57 |
Adus | Yes, I am aware thank you very much. | Oct 02 17:58 |
oiaohm | Ie there is a max number of developers you can lay off before you harm development. | Oct 02 17:58 |
schestowitz | Bing loses market share, too | Oct 02 17:58 |
schestowitz | So the Web divisions is hit severely | Oct 02 17:58 |
schestowitz | *division | Oct 02 17:58 |
Adus | I'm not in the web division :p | Oct 02 17:58 |
schestowitz | The Entertainment division of Bach also | Oct 02 17:58 |
oiaohm | I would get OS releated Adus | Oct 02 17:59 |
schestowitz | They try to expand | Oct 02 17:59 |
schestowitz | Greed. | Oct 02 17:59 |
Adus | Well, I'm in the Xbox division | Oct 02 17:59 |
oiaohm | opps get/guess | Oct 02 17:59 |
schestowitz | Even Apple didn't go this far | Oct 02 17:59 |
Adus | which is still expanding currently | Oct 02 17:59 |
schestowitz | It would be like Apple buying AMD and making a SE | Oct 02 17:59 |
schestowitz | Microsoft thought about entering the chip business in 2005 | Oct 02 17:59 |
oiaohm | That has been the other thing I have seen a lot of MS games cut. | Oct 02 17:59 |
schestowitz | Adus: xbox loses money | Oct 02 17:59 |
Adus | schestowitz: Xbox does, the Xbox Project doesn't, | Oct 02 18:00 |
oiaohm | Income from games | Oct 02 18:00 |
schestowitz | http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2008/01/raikes-and-other-exits.html | Oct 02 18:00 |
schestowitz | "It’s weird that Mini and all the commenters here have failed to notice the mass exodus from the Xbox team in 2007. By my count, more than 15% of the product team (dev/PM/test) have left Microsoft for Apple, Sony, Google, Yahoo, MySpace, Amazon, and various other companies (including several startups, local and in the Valley)… " | Oct 02 18:00 |
Adus | Anyway, I'm not in marketing or anything and I'm not really interested in discussing Microsoft economics | Oct 02 18:00 |
Adus | Neither me nor you have a firm understanding of the situation | Oct 02 18:00 |
Adus | Only the finance people here do | Oct 02 18:00 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: games are made not just by MS | Oct 02 18:01 |
schestowitz | MS takes levy | Oct 02 18:01 |
oiaohm | Exactly schestowitz | Oct 02 18:01 |
Adus | I'm a developer. | Oct 02 18:01 |
oiaohm | Lot of money comes in there. | Oct 02 18:01 |
schestowitz | Overall, bottom line, xbox lost money in last qtr | Oct 02 18:01 |
schestowitz | They lost Yu | Oct 02 18:01 |
Adus | Yes, but IEB did not. | Oct 02 18:01 |
schestowitz | Or was it another name? | Oct 02 18:01 |
schestowitz | Wait. | Oct 02 18:01 |
schestowitz | ANd Chris Saschell | Oct 02 18:01 |
Adus | IEB made profit, not a whole lot | Oct 02 18:01 |
schestowitz | And the director who ran to Apple | Oct 02 18:01 |
schestowitz | Sony loses LOADS too | Oct 02 18:02 |
schestowitz | Nintendo hit the jackpot | Oct 02 18:02 |
schestowitz | http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-September/008793.html | Oct 02 18:02 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/01/bad_web_news_for_microsoft/ | Oct 02 18:03 |
schestowitz | "According to the web analysts at StatCounter, Microsoft's Bing search engine continued its worldwide decline in September, down to 2.59 per cent, a slippage of 28 per cent per cent from its peak of 3.59 percent in July." | Oct 02 18:03 |
schestowitz | StatCounter seems like the only notable _global_ survey | Oct 02 18:04 |
schestowitz | Rest are US-only | Oct 02 18:04 |
schestowitz | Google commands next to 90% in reality. Like WIndows on desktop... with about 12% split b/w Linux and Apple | Oct 02 18:05 |
oiaohm | http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=z_WAAAAAEBAJ&dq=7255627 Some patents are like what the. | Oct 02 18:06 |
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schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/40011 | Oct 02 18:09 |
schestowitz | Red Hat does good | Oct 02 18:09 |
Adus | Tiem for the pub I think | Oct 02 18:11 |
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Adus | See ya folks :) | Oct 02 18:11 |
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schestowitz | http://geekfeminism.org/2009/09/28/a-followup-on-the-shuttleworth-incident/ | Oct 02 18:14 |
schestowitz | It's interesting how many Microsoft employees occasionally hang out here without saying so | Oct 02 18:15 |
schestowitz | I had to squeeze it out of him | Oct 02 18:15 |
schestowitz | First Look at Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala Beta http://lifehacker.com/5372301/first-look-at-ubuntu-910-karmic-koala-beta/gallery/ | Oct 02 18:15 |
schestowitz | http://www.openlogic.com/blogs/2009/10/openproj-when-an-open-source-company-gets-acquired-what-happens-to-the-project/ | Oct 02 18:17 |
schestowitz | "About a year ago, Projity was bought by Serena Software. Serena said that they would continue to offer OpenProj under an open source license, but would roll the On Demand functionality into another proprietary product — Serena Mariner." | Oct 02 18:17 |
schestowitz | "However the committers on OpenProj seem to all be employees of Serena. Although they continue to add patches to OpenProj, they no longer respond to any questions or issues on the forums or mailing lists. They have posted nothing to the developer list in the last year. " | Oct 02 18:17 |
schestowitz | SpringSourc... | Oct 02 18:17 |
schestowitz | EMC will just strain the juice out of its users | Oct 02 18:18 |
Diablo-D3 | wtf is openproj? | Oct 02 18:18 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: So Ubuntu ain't evil no more? | Oct 02 18:18 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3 would lik this: http://colin.guthr.ie/2009/10/kde-plus-pulseaudio-does-not-equal-sucks/ | Oct 02 18:20 |
schestowitz | Omar871: it never was | Oct 02 18:20 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: I'm glad to hear that. ^^ | Oct 02 18:21 |
schestowitz | It delivers Mono in Ubuntu, but I'm a KDE user, so it doesn't affect me | Oct 02 18:21 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: Oh, yeah, I forgot. :) | Oct 02 18:21 |
schestowitz | The evil Linux is the one from Caldera/SCO | Oct 02 18:21 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: So, basically, even Xubuntu can be considered 100% free. | Oct 02 18:22 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: And don't forget.. Novell. | Oct 02 18:22 |
schestowitz | SLE | Oct 02 18:24 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: pulseaudio + anything equals suck | Oct 02 18:24 |
Diablo-D3 | pulseaudio cannot handle low latency audio | Oct 02 18:24 |
Diablo-D3 | period. | Oct 02 18:25 |
schestowitz | OpenSUSE only helps in the sense that it shares underlying stuff like yast | Oct 02 18:25 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: I don't use it | Oct 02 18:25 |
schestowitz | No problem here | Oct 02 18:25 |
schestowitz | It worked fine in Mandriva KDE, BTW | Oct 02 18:25 |
Omar871 | schestowitz: And SLE, as far as I've heard is getting even crappier than ever. | Oct 02 18:25 |
schestowitz | It's no RHEL | Oct 02 18:26 |
schestowitz | They try to spice it up with Microsoft 'stuff' | Oct 02 18:26 |
schestowitz | AD, OOXML, Mono.... | Oct 02 18:26 |
schestowitz | http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/09/30/mozilla-firefox-disconnected-installer/ | Oct 02 18:27 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: using straight alsa with a few tweaks for my card is perfect | Oct 02 18:33 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @thecomicproject: Dint know MH was a new country RT @babychen: RT @kasturitagore: No BJP promise for work permits... http://bit.ly/I7MdY | Oct 02 18:34 | |
WiNRadio_PCR1000 | http://linux.wareseeker.com/ | Oct 02 18:38 |
schestowitz | "On the next page, I'll wrap up my lovefest for KDE 4, and add in some thoughts on what I'd like to see taken care of in future version updates." | Oct 02 18:39 |
schestowitz | http://techgage.com/article/kde_4_isnt_too_bad_after_all | Oct 02 18:39 |
schestowitz | Good review for KDE4 from 'press' | Oct 02 18:39 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: did you try 4.3? | Oct 02 18:39 |
schestowitz | Just yes or no | Oct 02 18:39 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: no | Oct 02 18:39 |
schestowitz | Okay | Oct 02 18:39 |
schestowitz | I personally like it | Oct 02 18:40 |
Diablo-D3 | I still cant figure out how to make it stop being ugly | Oct 02 18:40 |
schestowitz | I know others who do too | Oct 02 18:40 |
schestowitz | Including former GNOMers | Oct 02 18:40 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @JohnBirmingham My Monthly essay on the media's future history. http://bit.ly/3FKLG | Oct 02 18:40 | |
schestowitz | What's 'ugly'(ier) in my kde is gtk apps | Oct 02 18:40 |
schestowitz | WiNRadio_PCR1000: nice site | Oct 02 18:41 |
WiNRadio_PCR1000 | I thought so. | Oct 02 18:41 |
schestowitz | Win-only shareware. http://wareseeker.com/System/win-backup-software-1.7.5.zip/403088 | Oct 02 18:41 |
schestowitz | Is the lInus section new? | Oct 02 18:42 |
WiNRadio_PCR1000 | I dont know I only just found it. | Oct 02 18:42 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] If you RT promos to win something, you are a spammer. Do you feel like a spammer? You are though. Stop it. | Oct 02 18:43 | |
schestowitz | New video from (Tony) Novell showed up in RSS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3U_5a6bk6M | Oct 02 18:43 |
schestowitz | WiNRadio_PCR1000: package managers make it more obsolete | Oct 02 18:44 |
schestowitz | People just browse by search/filter on app, then use tickboxes | Oct 02 18:44 |
schestowitz | In Mandrive it has descriptions and in newer Ubuntu screenshots also | Oct 02 18:44 |
WiNRadio_PCR1000 | Thats good, it's an effective system | Oct 02 18:46 |
schestowitz | I haven't kept track of SUSE | Oct 02 18:49 |
schestowitz | Since 9.2 | Oct 02 18:49 |
schestowitz | Maybe they have that too | Oct 02 18:49 |
schestowitz | http://tuxtraining.com/2009/09/26/zypper-cheatsheets-for-opensuse | Oct 02 18:50 |
schestowitz | more zypper stuff: http://www.phocean.net/2009/09/26/how-to-activate-music-preview-in-nautilus.html | Oct 02 18:50 |
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Diablo-D3 | heh | Oct 02 19:11 |
Diablo-D3 | I beat david | Oct 02 19:11 |
Diablo-D3 | thats already today's miotd | Oct 02 19:12 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] A handbook for the open source community! http://www.derailingfordummies.com/ | Oct 02 19:12 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Australia Chooses #GNU #Linux for the Real, Important Work http://bit.ly/3IwK4p | Oct 02 19:17 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @malini_aisola: RT @ellenthoen: MSF's Campaign to support the UNITAID Patent Pool Initiative: http://bit.ly/lhsG0 | Oct 02 19:19 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #OpenBlockS #Server Runs #Linux http://bit.ly/2SSR62 | Oct 02 19:21 | |
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Diablo-D3 | wow the pandora is finally coming out | Oct 02 19:30 |
Diablo-D3 | http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/02/pandora-rolls-into-production-this-month-emulates-dreamcast-now/ | Oct 02 19:30 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Top Libre Applications for Video Production in #GNU #Linux http://bit.ly/2leeGj | Oct 02 19:32 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment 4 Surprises Reviewer for the Better http://bit.ly/VCEtR #kde4 | Oct 02 19:35 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -based Internet Device Runs on #ARM http://bit.ly/wcQlc | Oct 02 19:44 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android Consortium Grows http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/146233 | Oct 02 19:53 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sugar Ponders Becoming a #GNU #Linux Distributor for Sub-notebooks http://bit.ly/19lYQh #olpc | Oct 02 19:56 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Called a "Racket" http://bit.ly/JnMOU | Oct 02 20:20 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Tells the United States #SupremeCourt to Rubbish #SoftwarePatents http://bit.ly/C5B5A #swpat http://bit.ly/1Vtwfk | Oct 02 20:23 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] tech support job from purgatory http://b3ta.com/questions/helpdesk/post529277 | Oct 02 20:24 | |
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-phIRCe/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] tech support job from purgatory http://b3ta.com/questions/helpdesk/post529277 | Oct 02 20:25 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Korea Gets Punished for Permitting Monoculture to Happen http://bit.ly/2Q1qMy | Oct 02 20:31 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Korea Gets Punished for Permitting #Monoculture to Happen http://bit.ly/2Q1qMy http://bit.ly/nEk6S | Oct 02 20:32 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Danish #Municipality Moves City to #ODF , #FreeSoftware http://bit.ly/gm62O Schols first. | Oct 02 20:34 | |
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schestowitz | Some PR bunny just mailed me an Embargoed press release for no reason.. | Oct 02 20:44 |
schestowitz | They seem to be mass-sending them using agencies | Oct 02 20:44 |
Omar871 | Anybody having trouble accessing bitbucket like me? | Oct 02 20:44 |
schestowitz | "Hi, Nicole, Thanks a lot for the mail. I mostly focus on GNU/Linux and Free software. I appreciate receiving information in advance, especially if it suits my area of interest. This seems a little beyond my scope." | Oct 02 20:46 |
schestowitz | OIN did the same | Oct 02 20:46 |
schestowitz | OIn is like a company | Oct 02 20:46 |
schestowitz | And Peer 2 Patent | Oct 02 20:46 |
schestowitz | "Check This US Visa application not possible if you use free software http://tr.im/AshY" | Oct 02 20:47 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Anti-wi-fi paint offers security http://tinyurl.com/ydg6p7s | Oct 02 20:55 | |
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schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QapZI2cLQQ | Oct 02 21:00 |
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schestowitz | Here's the classic Freudian slip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iPaiylUYW0&feature=fvw | Oct 02 21:03 |
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schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaHgbOtmgmQ&NR=1 | Oct 02 21:04 |
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sebsebseb | hi | Oct 02 21:05 |
trmanco | heh | Oct 02 21:06 |
trmanco | "every single blowjob on the internet" | Oct 02 21:06 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt7pNgfscNg&NR=1 | Oct 02 21:08 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] it's ten past nine and mummy cold, daddy cold and baby cold have gone to bed to feel like poop. zzzzzz. | Oct 02 21:10 | |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD7BDP3XMG0&NR=1&feature=fvwp | Oct 02 21:11 |
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schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7GjfyTfjPk&NR=1&feature=fvwp | Oct 02 21:16 |
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schestowitz | wb, _Hicham_ | Oct 02 21:40 |
_Hicham_ | thanks Lord Schestowitz | Oct 02 21:41 |
schestowitz | Your friend Daemon has seizures, two in fact. Severe concussions. | Oct 02 21:41 |
schestowitz | He came to the channel looking for sympathy | Oct 02 21:42 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : I don't have lunatic friends | Oct 02 21:44 |
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trmanco | what happened to him? | Oct 02 21:54 |
MinceR | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/09/10/02/1214248/Apple-Wants-Patents-For-Crippling-Cellphones?from=rss | Oct 02 22:05 |
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MinceR | one patent i really hope they'll sue everyone for infringing on! | Oct 02 22:05 |
*tessier is looking forward to the patent armageddon | Oct 02 22:09 | |
schestowitz | trmanco: risk of death, it sounds to me... | Oct 02 22:13 |
trmanco | :| | Oct 02 22:15 |
MinceR | i don't think he has quite the right idea on how to get sympathy of all things | Oct 02 22:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Search Dives 28%. Time to Call it Quits? http://bit.ly/20hLh | Oct 02 22:19 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Carries on Losing Business http://ping.fm/ZTz4P | Oct 02 22:48 | |
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trmanco | again? | Oct 02 22:58 |
_Hicham_ | again what trmanco ? | Oct 02 22:59 |
trmanco | netsplit | Oct 02 22:59 |
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schestowitz | It's _Hicham_'s fault | Oct 02 23:08 |
schestowitz | He JINXED it! | Oct 02 23:08 |
_Hicham_ | schestowitz : I don't understand ! | Oct 02 23:09 |
schestowitz | See? :-) | Oct 02 23:09 |
schestowitz | That's my point | Oct 02 23:09 |
schestowitz | You're a witch | Oct 02 23:09 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU | Oct 02 23:10 |
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trmanco | looool | Oct 02 23:17 |
_Hicham_ | I am on a very slow connection right now | Oct 02 23:19 |
_Hicham_ | so I can't watch youtube videos | Oct 02 23:19 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LSE Dumps .NET and Moves to #GNU #Linux — Claim http://ping.fm/uZURQ | Oct 02 23:24 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[scientes] Amazon settles 1984 big brother case, agrees to not to remotely delete paid for books, still has technical ability to http://ur1.ca/cuoz | Oct 02 23:53 | |
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