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cubezzz | I don't get into Gnome vs KDE arguments | Nov 28 00:18 |
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cubezzz | I use both anyway | Nov 28 00:19 |
MinceR | i use KDE with a couple Gnome apps and components | Nov 28 00:19 |
cubezzz | yeah, I liked Star Wars in the 70's but I've moved on :) | Nov 28 00:20 |
oiaohm | over the years I have noticed I am using less and less gnome/gtk applications. | Nov 28 00:22 |
cubezzz | text mode ftw! | Nov 28 00:22 |
cubezzz | ;-) | Nov 28 00:22 |
oiaohm | Once firefox and openoffice get QT support only thing will be gimp I use for something that needs gtk. | Nov 28 00:22 |
cubezzz | or not | Nov 28 00:22 |
oiaohm | Kinda impossiable to get rid of gtk when using the app it was designed for. | Nov 28 00:23 |
cubezzz | you guys are too modern :) | Nov 28 00:23 |
cubezzz | CMS was pretty nice too | Nov 28 00:25 |
cubezzz | on IBM 4381 :) | Nov 28 00:25 |
cubezzz | I liked xedit | Nov 28 00:26 |
cubezzz | who knows about CMS? | Nov 28 00:27 |
Diablo-D3 | lol | Nov 28 00:28 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm is in #winehq | Nov 28 00:28 |
cubezzz | ah, young kids these days | Nov 28 00:29 |
oiaohm | What is new about that. | Nov 28 00:29 |
oiaohm | Diablo-D3: I have been in that channel since 2002 with the name oiaohm I was in there earily with a different name | Nov 28 00:30 |
oiaohm | Same with winehq forums. | Nov 28 00:30 |
oiaohm | I have been in the forum since it started. | Nov 28 00:30 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: nothing, I just saw you there | Nov 28 00:30 |
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oiaohm | I am also one recurters of support people for winehq and ops. | Nov 28 00:31 |
oiaohm | Yes so a lot of time I am sitting back and watching Diablo-D3 | Nov 28 00:32 |
cubezzz | it's a bummer I can't buy ASUS EEE PC without getting windows | Nov 28 00:34 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: you can get it with linux | Nov 28 00:34 |
cubezzz | Diablo-D3, all the ones I see have doze | Nov 28 00:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 Crashes on Certain Hardware, Stifles #Samba Compatibility http://ur1.ca/gnsw | Nov 28 00:35 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Vista 7 Crashes on Certain Hardware, Stifles Samba Compatibility | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 111.01 KB | Nov 28 00:35 |
cubezzz | looking on shopbot.ca now though | Nov 28 00:35 |
Diablo-D3 | and there are other atom netbooks out there | Nov 28 00:37 |
MinceR | asus bent over for m$, so it's probably a lot more difficult now | Nov 28 00:37 |
cubezzz | as far as I can see, none of the retailers are selling newer models of ASUS EEE PC with Linux | Nov 28 00:37 |
MinceR | yes, there are inferior atom netbooks out there :> | Nov 28 00:37 |
Diablo-D3 | eee was just the first major seller | Nov 28 00:38 |
Diablo-D3 | everyone has one now | Nov 28 00:38 |
cubezzz | "ASUS recommends Windows 7" | Nov 28 00:40 |
cubezzz | there's a new model 1101HA | Nov 28 00:40 |
cubezzz | ah, you can select the OS | Nov 28 00:41 |
cubezzz | ok, so at least I can order from ca.asus.com | Nov 28 00:41 |
Diablo-D3 | yeah, if you can order directly from a manuf, do it | Nov 28 00:41 |
MinceR | http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p.html | Nov 28 00:41 |
cubezzz | ah no, that's not the case :-/ | Nov 28 00:41 |
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Diablo-D3 | ynless they're really screwing you | Nov 28 00:41 |
Diablo-D3 | aww | Nov 28 00:42 |
cubezzz | Diablo-D3, nope, no Linux version possible | Nov 28 00:42 |
cubezzz | not even from ASUS | Nov 28 00:42 |
Diablo-D3 | um, I know people who own them | Nov 28 00:42 |
cubezzz | yes, older models had Linux | Nov 28 00:42 |
MinceR | um, those people might have bought them earlier :> | Nov 28 00:43 |
Diablo-D3 | [07:34:45] <Diablo-D3> and there are other atom netbooks out there | Nov 28 00:43 |
Diablo-D3 | [07:34:45] <Diablo-D3> and there are other atom netbooks out there | Nov 28 00:43 |
Diablo-D3 | [07:34:45] <Diablo-D3> and there are other atom netbooks out there | Nov 28 00:43 |
Diablo-D3 | [07:34:45] <Diablo-D3> and there are other atom netbooks out there | Nov 28 00:43 |
cubezzz | they are on ebay | Nov 28 00:43 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: widen your search, asshole. | Nov 28 00:43 |
Diablo-D3 | asus isnt the only company | Nov 28 00:43 |
MinceR | Diablo-D3: nobody is interesting in your flood | Nov 28 00:43 |
Diablo-D3 | do business with someone else. | Nov 28 00:43 |
Diablo-D3 | its like logic is a totally fucking alien concept here sometimes | Nov 28 00:43 |
cubezzz | you're not making any sense Diablo-D3 | Nov 28 00:43 |
MinceR | you don't seem to know what "logic" means | Nov 28 00:43 |
cubezzz | they aren't available, period | Nov 28 00:44 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: no, they _were_ available | Nov 28 00:44 |
Diablo-D3 | if they're no longer available, who cares | Nov 28 00:44 |
cubezzz | ... | Nov 28 00:44 |
Diablo-D3 | all atom netbooks are basically the same | Nov 28 00:45 |
Diablo-D3 | if asus doesnt have what you want, someone else does | Nov 28 00:45 |
oiaohm | Most reason why windows is on these devices is price. Refund of windows on a EEE PC is 6 dollars. | Nov 28 00:45 |
Diablo-D3 | and you dont even need to grab atom either | Nov 28 00:45 |
Diablo-D3 | theres ARM netbooks out there as well | Nov 28 00:45 |
Diablo-D3 | or if you wanna stick with x86, theres a few nanos as well | Nov 28 00:45 |
oiaohm | Its really a major case of descrimination. | Nov 28 00:45 |
Diablo-D3 | but I forget who from | Nov 28 00:45 |
cubezzz | no ARM is good | Nov 28 00:45 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: well | Nov 28 00:45 |
Diablo-D3 | windows wouldnt be so bad | Nov 28 00:46 |
Diablo-D3 | they could use embedded XP | Nov 28 00:46 |
MinceR | lol via | Nov 28 00:46 |
Diablo-D3 | problem is, it doesnt have the "miniature 10 foot interface" | Nov 28 00:46 |
oiaohm | The XP Asus gets is cheaper than I can aquire embedded XP for and its a full XP home. | Nov 28 00:46 |
Diablo-D3 | windows isn't suited for smaller displays far from your face | Nov 28 00:47 |
cubezzz | ARM netbook would be great | Nov 28 00:47 |
Diablo-D3 | neither is normal linux | Nov 28 00:47 |
Diablo-D3 | android almost is, but for different reasons | Nov 28 00:47 |
cubezzz | no, the point is I'm not buying windows period | Nov 28 00:47 |
Diablo-D3 | its actually suited for a much smaller display | Nov 28 00:47 |
cubezzz | no way | Nov 28 00:47 |
oiaohm | Embeded XP is 15 dollars pre unit Diablo-D3 | Nov 28 00:47 |
Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: I dont care what something runs as long as it works | Nov 28 00:47 |
Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yes, if you _buy_ it | Nov 28 00:47 |
Diablo-D3 | who the fuck buys shit anymore | Nov 28 00:47 |
Diablo-D3 | when microsoft sells windows on steam, and steam has a $2.50 sale for windows, Ill own a legal copy of it. | Nov 28 00:48 |
Diablo-D3 | until then, microsoft can suck my dick | Nov 28 00:48 |
oiaohm | Few consoles and things I do up customer demards windows. | Nov 28 00:48 |
Diablo-D3 | anyhow, you're missing the point of what I was saying | Nov 28 00:48 |
cubezzz | look, simple, I'm not going to be forced to get a windows anything :) | Nov 28 00:48 |
Diablo-D3 | windows does not have a desktop environment suited for the uniqueness of a netbook | Nov 28 00:49 |
oiaohm | Most of the time the end up using Linux. | Nov 28 00:49 |
cubezzz | sure, I agree with you Diablo-D3 | Nov 28 00:49 |
Diablo-D3 | this is the only reason why I dont want it on one | Nov 28 00:49 |
Diablo-D3 | I dont know why they even bother selling it | Nov 28 00:49 |
Diablo-D3 | see, theres this thing called a ten foot interface | Nov 28 00:49 |
Diablo-D3 | its where a UI can be useful on a large or medium screen ten feet away | Nov 28 00:49 |
oiaohm | MS will not large scale oem supply to companies that will ship hardware without a OS cubezzz | Nov 28 00:50 |
cubezzz | I guess I'll go Lemote, if I can find one | Nov 28 00:50 |
Diablo-D3 | netbooks and modern "large" smartphones (iphone etc) suffer from the same problem | Nov 28 00:50 |
cubezzz | or just wait | Nov 28 00:50 |
Diablo-D3 | you have the display far from your face | Nov 28 00:50 |
oiaohm | Really the option of buying hardware without a OS should be there. | Nov 28 00:50 |
Diablo-D3 | ergo, small hard intricate UIs are bad | Nov 28 00:50 |
Diablo-D3 | I'd actually like to see a windows remix that is for ten foot interfaces | Nov 28 00:50 |
cubezzz | actually there is one, netwalker | Nov 28 00:50 |
cubezzz | but it's a bit pricey | Nov 28 00:50 |
cubezzz | forgot about that one | Nov 28 00:51 |
Diablo-D3 | but microsoft wont do it | Nov 28 00:51 |
Diablo-D3 | they're quite happy losing to linux | Nov 28 00:51 |
Diablo-D3 | think Im looney? why else would they let the largest new market in a very long time slip through?\ | Nov 28 00:51 |
Diablo-D3 | microsoft is getting severely cockblocked by linux here | Nov 28 00:51 |
cubezzz | there was all sorts of zauruses with Linux | Nov 28 00:52 |
Diablo-D3 | zaurus ran linux, duh | Nov 28 00:52 |
Diablo-D3 | a special distro for it | Nov 28 00:52 |
cubezzz | but not in Canada (as far as I could tell) | Nov 28 00:52 |
cubezzz | it's beyond odd that I can buy a Linux anything in a retail store, don't you think? | Nov 28 00:52 |
cubezzz | can't | Nov 28 00:53 |
cubezzz | something very wrong there | Nov 28 00:53 |
cubezzz | not unless you import | Nov 28 00:53 |
_goblin | Its the same (in the main) over in the UK... | Nov 28 00:53 |
_goblin | very little alternative to MS in the highstreet | Nov 28 00:53 |
_goblin | (in terms of desktop PC) | Nov 28 00:54 |
cubezzz | there's nothing! | Nov 28 00:54 |
cubezzz | not very little, nothing | Nov 28 00:54 |
_goblin | it was always strange to me that the EU tackled the browzer issue as anti-trust and not the OEM one... | Nov 28 00:54 |
_goblin | *browser | Nov 28 00:54 |
_goblin | ............ | Nov 28 00:55 |
_goblin | finally! | Nov 28 00:55 |
_goblin | Ive got around to finding out what "All your base are belong to us" | Nov 28 00:55 |
_goblin | means | Nov 28 00:55 |
Diablo-D3 | what, seriously? | Nov 28 00:55 |
_goblin | yep | Nov 28 00:55 |
Diablo-D3 | it means all your base, it belongs to them | Nov 28 00:55 |
_goblin | lol | Nov 28 00:55 |
_goblin | I know that... | Nov 28 00:55 |
*MinceR sets Diablo-D3 up the bomb | Nov 28 00:55 | |
_goblin | but why is it a popular phrase.... | Nov 28 00:56 |
Diablo-D3 | main screen turn on! | Nov 28 00:56 |
_goblin | what does it mean... | Nov 28 00:56 |
_goblin | now I know.... | Nov 28 00:56 |
cubezzz | zero wing, an old sega game, had bad translation | Nov 28 00:56 |
Diablo-D3 | take off every zig! | Nov 28 00:56 |
Diablo-D3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us | Nov 28 00:56 |
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_goblin | yep | Nov 28 00:56 |
Diablo-D3 | lol wikipedia :D | Nov 28 00:56 |
Diablo-D3 | http://allyour.basearebelongto.us/AYB3.swf | Nov 28 00:56 |
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Diablo-D3 | THE CLASSIC | Nov 28 00:56 |
Diablo-D3 | man I havent seen this since like | Nov 28 00:57 |
Diablo-D3 | the 90s | Nov 28 00:57 |
_goblin | I thought it had something to do with the borg..... | Nov 28 00:57 |
Diablo-D3 | which is like 100 years ago | Nov 28 00:57 |
MinceR | at least 100 years ago | Nov 28 00:57 |
cubezzz | no, 90's is recent :) | Nov 28 00:57 |
cubezzz | old is 60's | Nov 28 00:57 |
cubezzz | magnetic core memory is old | Nov 28 00:58 |
MinceR | http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/At_least_100_years_ago | Nov 28 00:58 |
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Diablo-D3 | no, 60s is like, dinosaurs roaming the earth | Nov 28 00:58 |
Diablo-D3 | ed++ | Nov 28 00:58 |
MinceR | dinosaurs still roam the earth | Nov 28 00:58 |
Diablo-D3 | NNNEWWMMNAAAAAAN! | Nov 28 00:58 |
cubezzz | 60's was good :) | Nov 28 00:59 |
cubezzz | lots of jobs | Nov 28 00:59 |
cubezzz | there's used Linux ASUS EEE PC, but with the tiny 7 inch screen | Nov 28 01:00 |
Diablo-D3 | FIND | Nov 28 01:01 |
Diablo-D3 | OTHER | Nov 28 01:01 |
Diablo-D3 | NETBOOK | Nov 28 01:01 |
Diablo-D3 | MANUFACTURERS | Nov 28 01:01 |
cubezzz | I'm looking | Nov 28 01:01 |
Diablo-D3 | theres at least 9001 netbooks out there | Nov 28 01:01 |
cubezzz | "Linux netbook" is the search | Nov 28 01:01 |
Diablo-D3 | asus isnt even a major player anymore | Nov 28 01:01 |
oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_core_memory 1947 is the first patent on magnetic core memory. | Nov 28 01:01 |
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cubezzz | still in use in the 60's oiaohm | Nov 28 01:02 |
oiaohm | No it techically pre 60's | Nov 28 01:03 |
Diablo-D3 | its about the time your mom was getting laid | Nov 28 01:03 |
Diablo-D3 | by me | Nov 28 01:03 |
Diablo-D3 | with my time machine | Nov 28 01:03 |
oiaohm | phosor storage appears in the 60s and comes the CRT screen we know that is disappearing and will reapear in pled tech. | Nov 28 01:03 |
Diablo-D3 | naw man | Nov 28 01:04 |
Diablo-D3 | by the time captain kirk gets the enterprise | Nov 28 01:04 |
Diablo-D3 | CRT will be back en vogue | Nov 28 01:04 |
cubezzz | "In 1980, the price of a 16 kW (kiloword, equivalent to 32kB) core memory board that fitted into a DEC Q-bus computer was around USD 3000." | Nov 28 01:04 |
cubezzz | obviously still in use in the 60's, and after | Nov 28 01:04 |
oiaohm | Be very careful on that. | Nov 28 01:06 |
cubezzz | ok then, another example: | Nov 28 01:07 |
cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_7030 | Nov 28 01:07 |
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oiaohm | Core memory was heavly used in the 50's Started dieing in the 60 with valve and transistor tech. Was most gone bar a few cost cut systems and specialist by the 1970's and 80's. | Nov 28 01:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSpot ( #Mono ) Can Still be Removed from Next #Ubuntu http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/27/canonical-at-crossroads/ | Nov 28 01:10 | |
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oiaohm | Ie strangely enough core memory is more tollerent to emp cubezzz | Nov 28 01:10 |
cubezzz | I think my earliest PCs were DRAM | Nov 28 01:12 |
cubezzz | static RAMs(1024 x 1 bits) in the KIM-1 | Nov 28 01:12 |
Ender2070 | cubezzz, MinceR - i try to stick with apps of native frameworks due to how well they integrate (kmail, kopete, konversation, konquerer, all integrate well especially with notifications) | Nov 28 01:12 |
schestowitz | [00:46] <MinceR> lol via | Nov 28 01:12 |
schestowitz | VIA is just shorthand for Voila | Nov 28 01:13 |
oiaohm | Dram is capacitor/transistor based cubezzz | Nov 28 01:13 |
cubezzz | oiaohm, yes | Nov 28 01:13 |
Ender2070 | doesnt prevent me from using transmission on kde tho | Nov 28 01:13 |
Ender2070 | or firefox | Nov 28 01:13 |
cubezzz | c64 had ummm, 64kx1's | Nov 28 01:13 |
Ender2070 | but i would prefer a kde integrated firefox and transmission :) | Nov 28 01:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Black Friday is a severely overrated marketing scam designed to take advantage of those easily parted with their money. Just FYI. | Nov 28 01:14 | |
oiaohm | Also you have to watch out for specs of machines in the 1960's as well. Some use the term core memory to define the size of the memory connected to the direct process. ie not hardware. cubezzz | Nov 28 01:15 |
oiaohm | process/processor | Nov 28 01:15 |
cubezzz | if it's little donuts, it's magnetic core, AFAIK | Nov 28 01:16 |
oiaohm | Yep. | Nov 28 01:16 |
oiaohm | Computer world is horid at over lapping terms. | Nov 28 01:17 |
cubezzz | we learnt about magnetic core in HS but as you pointed out, it was pretty well obsolete by then | Nov 28 01:18 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/27/daily_web_host_defacement/ | Nov 28 01:21 |
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Ender2070 | I might get to meet aseigo :D | Nov 28 01:22 |
oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_memory Did you learn about this stuff cubezzz | Nov 28 01:22 |
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cubezzz | my era was really the DRAM era | Nov 28 01:23 |
schestowitz | Ender2070: wow. get an autograph and touch him !!! j/k | Nov 28 01:23 |
Ender2070 | LOL! | Nov 28 01:23 |
schestowitz | Take a towel he wiped his hands with... | Nov 28 01:24 |
schestowitz | And chewed up gum... | Nov 28 01:24 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @tracyrreed don't you feel Black Friday's shopping trance? | Nov 28 01:24 | |
Ender2070 | hahahaha | Nov 28 01:24 |
schestowitz | Britney gum up for sale on eBay < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/entertainment/3604616.stm > | Nov 28 01:24 |
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Ender2070 | im going to try getting a picture | Nov 28 01:24 |
cubezzz | yes, there was some use of bubble memory in the 80's | Nov 28 01:26 |
cubezzz | not common though | Nov 28 01:28 |
schestowitz | Happy Black Friday. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ds_vader.JPG Remember to buy a lot of very expensive stuff you don't need (at a discount) to save the economy. | Nov 28 01:28 |
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tessier | I dropped my wife off at the mall last night at midnight. She has never experienced "black friday" before. Now she too realizes it is overrated. | Nov 28 01:30 |
cubezzz | early micros went from static ram -> dynamic ram | Nov 28 01:31 |
cubezzz | and... | Nov 28 01:33 |
cubezzz | RAMAC FTW! | Nov 28 01:33 |
cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BRL61-IBM_305_RAMAC.jpeg | Nov 28 01:33 |
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schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10405523-92.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0 | Nov 28 01:35 |
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oiaohm | Yep hardrive/drum system cubezzz | Nov 28 01:36 |
oiaohm | magnetic core was gone very early on. | Nov 28 01:36 |
schestowitz | http://infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/google-chrome-os-infoworlds-visual-tour-532 | Nov 28 01:38 |
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Ender2070 | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/09/11/27/2123243/Google-Attack-On-the-Mobile-Market-Rumored | Nov 28 02:06 |
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cubezzz | the microsoft ads on linuxdevices.com are galling | Nov 28 02:07 |
cubezzz | there's this $80 thing | Nov 28 02:09 |
cubezzz | Menq Easypc E790 | Nov 28 02:09 |
cubezzz | ARM cpu | Nov 28 02:10 |
cubezzz | probably be a flood of stuff in 2010 | Nov 28 02:13 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What the #BillGates-Backed #Monsanto Does to Animals, Farmers, Food, and Patent Systems http://ur1.ca/gnwh | Nov 28 02:22 | |
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cubezzz | I guess I'll wait | Nov 28 02:22 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC has not been here today. Maybe he was stampeded and hospitalised like he predicted | Nov 28 02:30 |
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cubezzz | !!! | Nov 28 02:34 |
Ender2070 | LOL | Nov 28 02:35 |
Ender2070 | I can agree with apple for once: http://consumerist.com/2009/11/smoking-near-apple-computers-creates-biohazard-voids-warranty.html | Nov 28 02:35 |
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DaemonFC | Ender2070: I got my TV | Nov 28 02:35 |
DaemonFC | they had 44 TVs and about 2,000 people in the store :P | Nov 28 02:36 |
Ender2070 | I refused to fix computers that had too much smoker dust inside | Nov 28 02:36 |
DaemonFC | it's a nice set though | Nov 28 02:36 |
Ender2070 | at my old workplace, my manager backed me up | Nov 28 02:36 |
Ender2070 | i shouldn't have to touch that disgusting crap | Nov 28 02:36 |
DaemonFC | Apple employee that told me he wasn't fixing my computer cause I smoked would be in more danger in his workplace | Nov 28 02:37 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 28 02:37 |
DaemonFC | touching a surface with nicotine on it is not a biohazard | Nov 28 02:38 |
DaemonFC | nuclear waste or Ebola are | Nov 28 02:38 |
DaemonFC | tree hugging hippy crap :P | Nov 28 02:38 |
Ender2070 | i would tell you to take your pc elsewhere | Nov 28 02:38 |
Ender2070 | i would say it is a biohazard | Nov 28 02:38 |
schestowitz | [02:30] <schestowitz> DaemonFC has not been here today. Maybe he was stampeded and hospitalised like he predicted | Nov 28 02:38 |
schestowitz |  | Nov 28 02:38 |
schestowitz | [02:34] --> DaemonFC has joined this channel (i=none@c-69-245-242-208.hsd1.in.comcast.net). | Nov 28 02:38 |
cubezzz | I saw a motherboard with mouse turds on the cpu :) | Nov 28 02:38 |
schestowitz | Took you 4 minutes....... | Nov 28 02:38 |
Ender2070 | i've refused computers with turds in them (mouse turds) | Nov 28 02:39 |
cubezzz | not sure if that qualifies as a biohazard :) | Nov 28 02:39 |
Ender2070 | hell | Nov 28 02:39 |
Ender2070 | the worst thing I refused was a pc with a dead bird inside | Nov 28 02:39 |
Ender2070 | the guy had no clue, how a bird got into his pc | Nov 28 02:39 |
schestowitz | Maybe the PC speaker | Nov 28 02:39 |
schestowitz | It tweets | Nov 28 02:40 |
Ender2070 | "stop using windows" i said | Nov 28 02:40 |
Ender2070 | lol | Nov 28 02:40 |
cubezzz | well, when a computer is stored in a garage you can easily get mice | Nov 28 02:40 |
schestowitz | It could get fried with the RAM | Nov 28 02:40 |
schestowitz | Was it a tower? | Nov 28 02:40 |
Ender2070 | tower it was | Nov 28 02:40 |
schestowitz | And was it lying on the bottom perpendicular to the mobo? | Nov 28 02:40 |
Ender2070 | yeah | Nov 28 02:41 |
schestowitz | And still, how the _heck_ does a bird get inside? | Nov 28 02:41 |
Ender2070 | same with the mouse turds | Nov 28 02:41 |
schestowitz | And one doesn't notice? | Nov 28 02:41 |
schestowitz | Sounds like a hoax | Nov 28 02:41 |
cubezzz | humming bird maybe? :) | Nov 28 02:41 |
Ender2070 | it does sound crazy | Nov 28 02:41 |
cubezzz | they're pretty small | Nov 28 02:41 |
Ender2070 | thats the point | Nov 28 02:41 |
Ender2070 | how the fuck does a dead bird get inside a pc | Nov 28 02:42 |
Ender2070 | lol | Nov 28 02:42 |
Ender2070 | maybe he had a kid who was hiding it | Nov 28 02:42 |
schestowitz | Where do you buy your PCs? | Nov 28 02:42 |
schestowitz | Leaving a screw/drivers in it is common | Nov 28 02:42 |
Ender2070 | it was a customers i was fixing | Nov 28 02:42 |
schestowitz | Same with hospital patients | Nov 28 02:42 |
schestowitz | A kid? | Nov 28 02:43 |
Ender2070 | i dunno | Nov 28 02:43 |
schestowitz | Why would a kid unscrew a box and put a bird in it? | Nov 28 02:43 |
Ender2070 | kids are stupid | Nov 28 02:43 |
schestowitz | You'd have to be like... I don't know... 4? | Nov 28 02:43 |
schestowitz | They are not stupid, their brain is less developed | Nov 28 02:44 |
schestowitz | It's still better than many animals' | Nov 28 02:44 |
schestowitz | Hmmmmmmm...... so chimps cry as youngsters and babies? | Nov 28 02:45 |
schestowitz | Let me check.... | Nov 28 02:45 |
cubezzz | dogs whine | Nov 28 02:45 |
oiaohm | Worst is finding a power supply with a hiss that turns out to have a bandy bandy snake inside. Ok they have very little venom normally don't bite but after being beat up by PS fan are kinda pissed off and there venom is toxic. | Nov 28 02:45 |
cubezzz | or a brown recluse spider? :) | Nov 28 02:46 |
schestowitz | Do chimps cry? | Nov 28 02:46 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OM7KybtEMY | Nov 28 02:46 |
oiaohm | Redbacks are not uncommon in winter to find inside computers. | Nov 28 02:46 |
oiaohm | At least hear. | Nov 28 02:47 |
oiaohm | here. | Nov 28 02:47 |
oiaohm | They like anywhere warm cubezzz | Nov 28 02:47 |
cubezzz | schestowitz, I don't think so, not in the way humans do | Nov 28 02:47 |
schestowitz | Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBKsNfPZmK4&NR=1&feature=fvwp | Nov 28 02:47 |
schestowitz | So we evolved by being whiny and noisy? | Nov 28 02:48 |
cubezzz | some people say that rats can laugh when they get tickled but at a high frequency | Nov 28 02:48 |
schestowitz | Sounds like moving towards being reptilian again? Dinosaurs shriek | Nov 28 02:48 |
schestowitz | Birds sing | Nov 28 02:48 |
cubezzz | Birds are pretty smart, bird-brain is a bit of a misnomer | Nov 28 02:49 |
oiaohm | Depends on the bird cubezzz | Nov 28 02:50 |
cubezzz | Raven or Parrot | Nov 28 02:51 |
oiaohm | Also depends if they are drunk or not. | Nov 28 02:51 |
oiaohm | We have times that they have been into the locally fruits and are absolutely drunk to the point of falling out the tree and not being able to fly to avoid anything. | Nov 28 02:52 |
cubezzz | there's a video on youtube of a chimp playing pacman | Nov 28 02:53 |
cubezzz | it understood enough to try to evade the ghosts | Nov 28 02:54 |
cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laughter_in_animals | Nov 28 02:55 |
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schestowitz | cubezzz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQwOVAN2kk | Nov 28 02:56 |
cubezzz | :) | Nov 28 02:57 |
schestowitz | Ballmer uses Leopard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8RiM_iBliU | Nov 28 02:57 |
schestowitz | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg-announce/2009-November/001201.html | Nov 28 03:00 |
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schestowitz | http://www.lockergnome.com/linux/2009/11/25/ubuntu-a-victim-of-success/ | Nov 28 03:03 |
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wallc_ | help help :) | Nov 28 03:25 |
wallc_ | I have the Vandana Shiva transcription almost finished, but there is one area that I can't figure out what she says...anyone else want to listen to it and see if they can figure it out? | Nov 28 03:26 |
wallc_ | It's between 2:20 and 2:33 in the video... | Nov 28 03:27 |
wallc_ | Here's what I have, but there are two missing pieces: | Nov 28 03:27 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/New-from-Qualcomm-ARM-Netbooks-Open-Source-Initiatives-and-New-Technology. | Nov 28 03:28 |
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schestowitz | Hey, wallc_ | Nov 28 03:28 |
schestowitz | wallc_: let me try.... | Nov 28 03:28 |
wallc_ | the parts I can't make out are in the brackets: "Now, in [...] law, when I spread a pollution, I must pay. It's called The pollution [...] pays. | Nov 28 03:28 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/25/monsanto-video/ | Nov 28 03:29 |
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schestowitz | In 'mamental' law [sic]? | Nov 28 03:31 |
schestowitz | Monumental? | Nov 28 03:31 |
schestowitz | Not quite....... | Nov 28 03:31 |
wallc_ | Yes, it sounded similar to that to me, but I thought it sounded like "Marmental Law" , I Googled it to see if something similar came up, but, I couldn't figure it out. | Nov 28 03:32 |
schestowitz | "get pace? | Nov 28 03:32 |
schestowitz | "get pays"? | Nov 28 03:32 |
wallc_ | I thought maybe "guilt pays" like she meant guilty, but mis spoke? | Nov 28 03:33 |
schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=pollutant+getpays&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Nov 28 03:33 |
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schestowitz | wallc_: did you see latest post? | Nov 28 03:34 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/27/monsanto-programme/ | Nov 28 03:34 |
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schestowitz | I know some people who hate Monsanto and follow the site because of that | Nov 28 03:35 |
wallc_ | yes, i read it. | Nov 28 03:35 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto "Employees 21,700 (2009)" | Nov 28 03:35 |
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schestowitz | "$11.365 billion USD (2008)" | Nov 28 03:35 |
schestowitz | Maybe they can find a way to tax oxygen too | Nov 28 03:35 |
schestowitz | I should start saving up oxygen in balloons... you know, save some for later just in case. | Nov 28 03:36 |
wallc_ | I'll send the transcript to you by email in a minute. | Nov 28 03:36 |
wallc_ | Yes, balloon air is always good to keep around, just in case :) | Nov 28 03:36 |
schestowitz | http://www.cduniverse.com/lyrics.asp?id=11029550 | Nov 28 03:36 |
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schestowitz | wallc_: maybe not low-quality air | Nov 28 03:37 |
schestowitz | The Monsanto business model goes like this: | Nov 28 03:37 |
schestowitz | Pollute air | Nov 28 03:37 |
schestowitz | Pollute water, sell some (Nestle) | Nov 28 03:37 |
schestowitz | Then sell premium on 'better' air | Nov 28 03:37 |
schestowitz | And ensure you have patents in purifying it or something | Nov 28 03:37 |
wallc_ | I use canned air to kill ants (I know, non sequitor :) | Nov 28 03:41 |
schestowitz | It reminds me, I messed up today | Nov 28 03:42 |
wallc_ | I'm checking spelling in the transcript now, will send shortly... | Nov 28 03:42 |
schestowitz | Some new frying pan | Nov 28 03:42 |
schestowitz | It emitted gases when heated | Nov 28 03:42 |
schestowitz | Lots of fumes here for an hour | Nov 28 03:42 |
wallc_ | oh no! what was it made of? | Nov 28 03:43 |
schestowitz | Metal... | Nov 28 03:43 |
schestowitz | But anyway, it must have been quite poisonous | Nov 28 03:43 |
wallc_ | teflon coated? | Nov 28 03:43 |
schestowitz | I can still smell some of that 3 hours later | Nov 28 03:43 |
schestowitz | wallc_: I think so, not sure though | Nov 28 03:43 |
wallc_ | that sounds aweful. | Nov 28 03:44 |
schestowitz | It was | Nov 28 03:44 |
schestowitz | Took a while to ventilate | Nov 28 03:44 |
wallc_ | is there a brand name on it? | Nov 28 03:45 |
schestowitz | Nope, not on this one, why? | Nov 28 03:45 |
schestowitz | I have some Tefal here | Nov 28 03:45 |
schestowitz | But this one's different. | Nov 28 03:45 |
wallc_ | I've never had new cookware do that, it doesn't sound right, I'd let the company know....which you can't do if there's no brand on it... | Nov 28 03:46 |
schestowitz | It's not nw | Nov 28 03:49 |
schestowitz | I just haven't used it in years | Nov 28 03:49 |
schestowitz | I have many others though, it's not a problem | Nov 28 03:49 |
schestowitz | One got older and had rust issue, the others are fine | Nov 28 03:49 |
schestowitz | If the teflon wears out, then there's the potential issue of bare metal coming to contact with food | Nov 28 03:50 |
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wallc_ | generally, when the teflon wears off there's aluminum exposed. It's best to toss out any pans with the teflon worn off. | Nov 28 03:52 |
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schestowitz | zahzam is the latest ban evasion from you-know-who | Nov 28 03:53 |
wallc_ | I just sent you the transcript...it's a gedit file. | Nov 28 03:53 |
schestowitz | wallc_: yes, I just have other ones anyway | Nov 28 03:53 |
schestowitz | wallc_: to post now or tomorrow? Your thoughts needed... cause I've just posted on the same subject | Nov 28 03:54 |
wallc_ | I'd say wait. That way maybe someone else can have a chance to listen and help us figure out the missing parts... | Nov 28 03:55 |
wallc_ | I'm wondering, maybe she has email...do you suppose she'd mind if we asked her? | Nov 28 03:55 |
schestowitz | Let's try | Nov 28 03:57 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandana_Shiva | Nov 28 03:57 |
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wallc_ | I've been reading about her. what an interesting person she is! | Nov 28 03:59 |
schestowitz | She has a site... http://www.vandanashiva.org/ | Nov 28 03:59 |
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wallc_ | yes, I'm looking at it now... | Nov 28 03:59 |
schestowitz | Interesting to see many people turning from research to activism, RMS included | Nov 28 03:59 |
schestowitz | And Mako | Nov 28 03:59 |
wallc_ | some of the links on her website don't work...like the "contact us" link...(sigh). will keep looking. | Nov 28 04:03 |
schestowitz | Yes | Nov 28 04:03 |
schestowitz | I was gonna say so | Nov 28 04:03 |
schestowitz | I enabled JS, didn't help | Nov 28 04:03 |
schestowitz | Maybe some MSIE-only 'designed' | Nov 28 04:03 |
wallc_ | eww, i hope not. | Nov 28 04:04 |
wallc_ | I have to go now, but I'll check in for a bit tomorrow. Let me know if the transcript looks ok. | Nov 28 04:05 |
wallc_ | bye for now :) | Nov 28 04:05 |
schestowitz | Thanks, it is | Nov 28 04:05 |
schestowitz | Almost done | Nov 28 04:05 |
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schestowitz | gn | Nov 28 04:18 |
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oiaohm | I have been thinking. What distributions need is a web/something portable based application that can download packages need on a machine that does not have linux but has the list of packages person has or particular version of distrobution. | Nov 28 04:54 |
DaemonFC | my phone company is pimping Windows Mobile phones | Nov 28 04:58 |
oiaohm | Ok what form. | Nov 28 04:58 |
oiaohm | New stock/old stock DaemonFC | Nov 28 04:58 |
DaemonFC | they have 7 | Nov 28 04:59 |
DaemonFC | I think | Nov 28 05:00 |
DaemonFC | I'm not sure | Nov 28 05:00 |
DaemonFC | there's just a picture of them in the ads | Nov 28 05:00 |
DaemonFC | phones look new | Nov 28 05:00 |
DaemonFC | they're giving out free Windows 7 notebooks with contracts too | Nov 28 05:00 |
oiaohm | Mostly windows 7 starter combind with a trial kick back anti-virus combid eitha trial kick back office. | Nov 28 05:02 |
oiaohm | So effective -15 + dollars to the price | Nov 28 05:03 |
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DaemonFC | I got my new 360 connected | Nov 28 05:40 |
DaemonFC | maybe I can make it through Mass Effect without the system barbecuing itself\ | Nov 28 05:40 |
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oiaohm | http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/FileAPI/ Gap between web and native getting smaller | Nov 28 06:47 |
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DaemonFC | Democrats sending me more emails | Nov 28 07:14 |
DaemonFC | "Come to a $500 a plate dinner to sit down and eat with 50% of the politicians that are fucking you in the ass without lube." | Nov 28 07:14 |
DaemonFC | if I had $500 to donate, it wouldn't be to an organization getting billions in bribe money from special interest groups and corporations | Nov 28 07:15 |
cubezzz | porting my own software to f11 | Nov 28 07:16 |
cubezzz | from fc1 | Nov 28 07:16 |
cubezzz | and writing notes... | Nov 28 07:16 |
DaemonFC | Funding the Republicans and Democrats would be like pulling $500 out and "donating" it to Comcast | Nov 28 07:16 |
DaemonFC | or Microsoft | Nov 28 07:16 |
oiaohm | DaemonFC: is 500 dollar entery to push you plans. | Nov 28 07:16 |
oiaohm | They have to reduce the numbers somehow. | Nov 28 07:16 |
DaemonFC | no, $500 is to get there and listen to some of them speak | Nov 28 07:17 |
DaemonFC | the $5,000 tickets are for the people that get to go "talk" to the politicians ;) | Nov 28 07:17 |
DaemonFC | behind closed doors | Nov 28 07:17 |
cubezzz | donating money to Microsoft is sheer lunacy | Nov 28 07:18 |
DaemonFC | the $50,000 guys just go straight to their office and have a couple hours of 1 on 1 time | Nov 28 07:18 |
DaemonFC | skip the "dinner" | Nov 28 07:18 |
cubezzz | XSetFont rk16, but where is rk16? | Nov 28 07:18 |
DaemonFC | for free? | Nov 28 07:19 |
DaemonFC | FOR FREE????? You ask? | Nov 28 07:19 |
DaemonFC | For free, you get to send them an email and have a generic auto-reply sent back | Nov 28 07:19 |
DaemonFC | or call in and talk to an intern | Nov 28 07:19 |
DaemonFC | who hangs up on you :) | Nov 28 07:19 |
DaemonFC | I've never made any political donations | Nov 28 07:20 |
DaemonFC | some of those Right to Life ads make me want to donate to Planned Parenthood just out of spite | Nov 28 07:20 |
oiaohm | Boy the more I hear of the USA it suxs. | Nov 28 07:21 |
cubezzz | donate to GNU :) | Nov 28 07:21 |
oiaohm | I have had a lot of one on one time with politicions here for free. | Nov 28 07:21 |
DaemonFC | here, you might get to catch them for a minute by some off chance | Nov 28 07:21 |
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DaemonFC | local (county and city) politicians are the only ones that *might* really have to hear you out | Nov 28 07:22 |
DaemonFC | depends on their town charter regarding town meetings | Nov 28 07:22 |
DaemonFC | the worst place to live is a small town in an extremely far left or far right state/district | Nov 28 07:23 |
DaemonFC | then your votes don't even matter | Nov 28 07:23 |
DaemonFC | around here, anyone that says they're a Republican gets in and holds the office for life | Nov 28 07:24 |
DaemonFC | no matter what they do | Nov 28 07:24 |
oiaohm | Do you politions have to put on the public record all donations they get? DaemonFC | Nov 28 07:24 |
DaemonFC | no matter how they rip us off | Nov 28 07:24 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Federal, yes. States, depends on state laws. | Nov 28 07:24 |
cubezzz | can't remember where the heck rk16 came from... | Nov 28 07:24 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: A lot of crooked donations aren't easy to spot | Nov 28 07:25 |
DaemonFC | like they don't say "Bilderburg Group sends in $50,000" | Nov 28 07:25 |
oiaohm | Does taking donations interested parts in votes force them to abstain from voting. | Nov 28 07:25 |
DaemonFC | its under their 10 employees or whatever | Nov 28 07:25 |
DaemonFC | so they all donate $5,000 each personally | Nov 28 07:25 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Nope | Nov 28 07:25 |
cubezzz | weavers, not programmers, but that's the way it is | Nov 28 07:26 |
oiaohm | Theirs you problem DaemonFC | Nov 28 07:26 |
DaemonFC | they can vote on issues that affect large donors | Nov 28 07:26 |
DaemonFC | they can introduce legislation written by large donors | Nov 28 07:26 |
DaemonFC | Medicare Part D is the best example of that, ever | Nov 28 07:26 |
oiaohm | Here it works quite interestingly. | Nov 28 07:27 |
oiaohm | They can vote against the intrest of the people who donated them money fine. | Nov 28 07:27 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Welfare laws get passed only when they found out how to sneak off a few trillion dollars to the rich | Nov 28 07:27 |
oiaohm | But if they get caught vote for a someone who gave them a large dontation they are screwed. | Nov 28 07:28 |
DaemonFC | this health reform will pass when they've given a large enough payoff to the rich | Nov 28 07:28 |
oiaohm | legislation written by large donors can be introduced here. | Nov 28 07:28 |
oiaohm | And some of it is good. | Nov 28 07:28 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Our system breaks down because only one age block votes in numbers that decide an election | Nov 28 07:28 |
DaemonFC | it's all old people | Nov 28 07:28 |
DaemonFC | 3/4ths the people that register or show up are over 50 | Nov 28 07:28 |
DaemonFC | so you only have one group of people that get any representation | Nov 28 07:29 |
oiaohm | The system there is screwed at many levels DaemonFC | Nov 28 07:29 |
oiaohm | The donation one we don't have the problem. | Nov 28 07:29 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Why do you think Obama went to the AARP and said "What is thy bidding, my master?"? | Nov 28 07:30 |
DaemonFC | :) | Nov 28 07:30 |
DaemonFC | the AARP uses its evil sith lobbying powers to get more tax money stolen from people my age and dumped on over-50s | Nov 28 07:30 |
oiaohm | Lets say you are trying to defeat a bill here. | Nov 28 07:30 |
oiaohm | You will hunt through everyone on side who could be voiting for it and look for payments to exclude them voiting for. | Nov 28 07:31 |
DaemonFC | people my age get to work and slave for $7-$10 usually and they get about 25% or more seized and handed out to old people | Nov 28 07:31 |
DaemonFC | by politicians buying votes | Nov 28 07:31 |
oiaohm | Lot of donations here are direct ellection advertisement assistance. | Nov 28 07:32 |
DaemonFC | every time you get a paycheck, at least 25% of it is stolen to give as a handout/political favor to old people | Nov 28 07:32 |
DaemonFC | you work for $10 an hour, the govvernment might let you get away with $7.75 of that per hour | Nov 28 07:32 |
oiaohm | That is kinda true everywhere. | Nov 28 07:32 |
oiaohm | Worse here the old people don't get it. | Nov 28 07:33 |
DaemonFC | then they start taxing you again with sales tax, property tax, tax on your license plates, tax on car registration renewals, tax on your drivers licens | Nov 28 07:33 |
DaemonFC | lots of tax on gasoline | Nov 28 07:33 |
DaemonFC | you make $10 an hour, and only about $6.50 is really yours after the government steals it all to give to old people | Nov 28 07:33 |
DaemonFC | why work? | Nov 28 07:33 |
DaemonFC | why BOTHER to succeed? | Nov 28 07:33 |
DaemonFC | the old people and the minorities just get all your damned money anyway | Nov 28 07:34 |
oiaohm | Not how it works here. | Nov 28 07:35 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: over $10 an hour and below about $13 you fall into a doughnut hole where you hit the next tax bracket and lose your raises anyway to tax | Nov 28 07:35 |
oiaohm | Now since they cannot get bribes. | Nov 28 07:36 |
DaemonFC | income tax is actually a very regressive tax, oiaohm | Nov 28 07:36 |
DaemonFC | discriminates against young people | Nov 28 07:36 |
oiaohm | there politions wages are tax free basically and worse there wage system is filled with perks. | Nov 28 07:36 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: You may as well not make more than $8 an hour | Nov 28 07:36 |
DaemonFC | if you can stay under $8 an hour, you get all kinds of things like food stamps, energy assistance, etc. that are not taxed | Nov 28 07:37 |
oiaohm | We have unemploment benifits. | Nov 28 07:37 |
DaemonFC | if you go over $8 an hour, plan to make $14 an hour or more | Nov 28 07:37 |
oiaohm | If you make under 10 dollars a hour you are going backwards lots of the time. | Nov 28 07:37 |
DaemonFC | cause between $8 and $14 you get the double whammy of losing your poverty benefits and getting into a higher tax bracket | Nov 28 07:38 |
oiaohm | 20 dollars a hour is the tax bracket change. | Nov 28 07:38 |
oiaohm | And its savage here. | Nov 28 07:38 |
oiaohm | Basically 20-30 not worth it. | Nov 28 07:38 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Rich people are mostly exempt from social security taxation | Nov 28 07:38 |
DaemonFC | the government stops taxing you past $102,500 | Nov 28 07:39 |
oiaohm | Not exactly true here here. | Nov 28 07:39 |
DaemonFC | if I make a million dollars that year, I pay 12.5% of $102,500 | Nov 28 07:39 |
oiaohm | 102.500 is 45% | Nov 28 07:39 |
DaemonFC | if I make under that, I pay 12.5% on all my income | Nov 28 07:39 |
DaemonFC | every bit of it | Nov 28 07:39 |
oiaohm | Unless you can work out how to donate or other wise reduce tax. | Nov 28 07:39 |
DaemonFC | so Bill Gates only gets taxed on the first $102,500 he makes in a year | Nov 28 07:40 |
oiaohm | Note over 1 million to your name here its tax effective to setup a company. | Nov 28 07:40 |
DaemonFC | so at 12:01 AM on January 1, Bill Gates has paid all his Social Security and FICA taxes | Nov 28 07:40 |
DaemonFC | but poor people have to pay them all year | Nov 28 07:40 |
oiaohm | Its cheaper than personal tax. | Nov 28 07:40 |
DaemonFC | is this fair? | Nov 28 07:40 |
oiaohm | What. | Nov 28 07:41 |
oiaohm | So you mean as a USA cit if I have 1 million income for a year I will only get taxed on the 100,000 | Nov 28 07:41 |
DaemonFC | Bill Gates has made all of his taxable Social Security and FICA income withing a few minutes of a new year | Nov 28 07:41 |
DaemonFC | cause they stop taxing him at $102,500 | Nov 28 07:41 |
DaemonFC | but they tax people that make less than that on all their income | Nov 28 07:42 |
DaemonFC | *within | Nov 28 07:42 |
oiaohm | More I hear about the USA the more its set up to go splat. | Nov 28 07:42 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: There's a few taxes you have to pay. Federal income tax has no cap on your income. | Nov 28 07:42 |
DaemonFC | Social Security and FICA (Medicaid) are capped at the first $102,500 of your income | Nov 28 07:43 |
DaemonFC | after that you pay no FICA or SS, bu keep paying federal income tax | Nov 28 07:43 |
oiaohm | Ok that is wrong. | Nov 28 07:43 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: They could make both programs solvent by removing that cap | Nov 28 07:43 |
oiaohm | Our medicare tax kicks in if you are over 100 000 and don't have private health insurance. | Nov 28 07:43 |
DaemonFC | that's all they have to do | Nov 28 07:43 |
oiaohm | Over 500 000 you get hit again. | Nov 28 07:44 |
oiaohm | But this time no loop hole to get out. | Nov 28 07:44 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Medicaid is getting slashed. Almost nobody can manage to qualify for it anymore | Nov 28 07:44 |
DaemonFC | they find *any* reason to deny you | Nov 28 07:44 |
DaemonFC | even if the state has to lie or falsify evidence | Nov 28 07:44 |
oiaohm | here is fairly simple to qualify. | Nov 28 07:45 |
DaemonFC | Indiana has a program called Healthy Indiana Plan that's limited to low income people with no insurance, but it covers nothing | Nov 28 07:45 |
oiaohm | Lack of income and you get. | Nov 28 07:45 |
DaemonFC | and free clinics won't see you if you have that | Nov 28 07:45 |
DaemonFC | so don't even apply | Nov 28 07:45 |
Ender2070_ | DaemonFC - all that tax money goes towards paying the interest on the money the banks print for your government | Nov 28 07:45 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Medicaid is jointly funded by the feds and the state | Nov 28 07:46 |
oiaohm | We have have the health care card. | Nov 28 07:46 |
DaemonFC | in Indiana, the judge reviewing your appeal will fudge the Finding of Fact | Nov 28 07:46 |
DaemonFC | to create a legal basis to deny you | Nov 28 07:46 |
oiaohm | That gives you discounts on lots of medical. DaemonFC | Nov 28 07:46 |
oiaohm | It works like a kick back setup. | Nov 28 07:46 |
DaemonFC | which, distorting evidence is illegal for the judge to do, but they do things like selectively interpret things that are not totally 100% clear in favor of the state | Nov 28 07:47 |
DaemonFC | it's usually enough to tip the balance to the state's favor | Nov 28 07:47 |
oiaohm | Docs support it they get cheaper access to public hospitals todo there non cheep stuff DaemonFC | Nov 28 07:47 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Like if your doctor decides to be an ass and not fill out a questionnaire for the state, your case is over | Nov 28 07:48 |
DaemonFC | the state wins | Nov 28 07:48 |
DaemonFC | your case is just over, gone | Nov 28 07:48 |
DaemonFC | they love using that excuse, they ALWAYS send those to the doc | Nov 28 07:48 |
DaemonFC | the doc is afraid he might get sued if he signs any kind of medical statement on you | Nov 28 07:49 |
DaemonFC | so the state knows that 9 times out of 10 the doc won't fill it out and they can instantly rule against you | Nov 28 07:49 |
DaemonFC | (what happened to me) | Nov 28 07:49 |
oiaohm | Not how it works here. | Nov 28 07:50 |
DaemonFC | then using a battery of other distortions, legal tactics, etc. the state can deny probably another 8 out of 10 that are left | Nov 28 07:50 |
DaemonFC | that's why there's only a 2% approval in Indiana for Medicaid | Nov 28 07:50 |
DaemonFC | Medicaid is a sham | Nov 28 07:51 |
oiaohm | They can demard third party inspection of your medical state that they have to pay for DaemonFC | Nov 28 07:51 |
DaemonFC | nobody gets it unless their case is so overwhelmingly unwinnable for the state that the state gives up | Nov 28 07:51 |
oiaohm | Failure to treat here is also an offence. | Nov 28 07:51 |
DaemonFC | those are the people that get approved after appealing denials for the better part of a year | Nov 28 07:51 |
oiaohm | Ie failure to treat public servents can find there head on chopping block. | Nov 28 07:52 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Social Security does send you to their doctor if yours won't cooperate | Nov 28 07:52 |
DaemonFC | so they sent me to their doctor and I have Social Security now but no medical benefits | Nov 28 07:52 |
oiaohm | I guess you don't have failure to treat over there DaemonFC | Nov 28 07:52 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Technically, it is an offense to refuse treatment. | Nov 28 07:53 |
DaemonFC | But only in limited cases | Nov 28 07:53 |
oiaohm | Here we can refuse treatment. | Nov 28 07:53 |
oiaohm | but it must be offered. | Nov 28 07:53 |
oiaohm | Now waiting lists are the only loop hole. | Nov 28 07:53 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: If I'm an ER doc and you get shot and come into the ER, the law says I have to pull the bullets out, stabilize you, sew up the wounds | Nov 28 07:53 |
DaemonFC | just get you to the point you won't die | Nov 28 07:53 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: If you come in with advanced cancer or something, and I'm the doc, I don't have to do anything for you | Nov 28 07:54 |
DaemonFC | you die of "natural causes" later | Nov 28 07:54 |
oiaohm | cancer here you must be rated on how critical. | Nov 28 07:54 |
oiaohm | The more critical the faster you must get in. | Nov 28 07:54 |
oiaohm | Ok if you happend to die due to too many at the same level as you bad luck. | Nov 28 07:55 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: There are some non-profit hospitals that treat people that can't pay | Nov 28 07:55 |
DaemonFC | mostly ran by churches to treat kids | Nov 28 07:55 |
DaemonFC | people ask me why I don't trust Jews or Muslims, how about that? | Nov 28 07:56 |
DaemonFC | when's the last time you saw a Muslim Childrens Hospital? | Nov 28 07:56 |
DaemonFC | they don't do any kind of charity | Nov 28 07:56 |
oiaohm | Most of our church run hospitals are expensive. | Nov 28 07:56 |
DaemonFC | even the Masons have charity hospitals for kids | Nov 28 07:56 |
oiaohm | our public hospitals take up all the cheap space. | Nov 28 07:56 |
oiaohm | Then at times due to load our goverments buy usage from the privates DaemonFC | Nov 28 07:57 |
oiaohm | How is getting to a dentist over there. | Nov 28 07:57 |
oiaohm | That is a big problem here if you have teeth problems and no private coverage. | Nov 28 07:57 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Mine is charging me $160 per cavity filled | Nov 28 07:58 |
oiaohm | The waiting list for dentist in public is 5 years. | Nov 28 07:58 |
DaemonFC | I need two filled | Nov 28 07:58 |
DaemonFC | I made the appointment in December just in case I need a ride | Nov 28 07:58 |
oiaohm | yes free but hell you don't want to have to wait 5 years for a filling. | Nov 28 07:58 |
DaemonFC | but they offered me one the next day | Nov 28 07:58 |
DaemonFC | getting in isn't a problem | Nov 28 07:59 |
oiaohm | Pay you can get in next day. | Nov 28 07:59 |
DaemonFC | paying for it might be | Nov 28 07:59 |
oiaohm | Here don't pay wait. | Nov 28 07:59 |
DaemonFC | well, beats having your teeth rot and need extractions when they could have just fileld them | Nov 28 07:59 |
DaemonFC | :) | Nov 28 07:59 |
DaemonFC | *filled | Nov 28 07:59 |
oiaohm | Mostly due to the fact dentist working in public are not allowed to too teech whiting and other profitable things. | Nov 28 07:59 |
oiaohm | Ie highly profitable things. | Nov 28 08:00 |
DaemonFC | for minor stuff like this they should let you just pay and go to a private dentist, oiaohm | Nov 28 08:00 |
oiaohm | so go out into private. | Nov 28 08:00 |
DaemonFC | I would think so anyway | Nov 28 08:00 |
oiaohm | Ie when regested and a public denisted here you cannot work as a private on the side DaemonFC | Nov 28 08:00 |
DaemonFC | so nobody wants to take your government funding cause then they can't make money | Nov 28 08:00 |
oiaohm | Yes ouch. | Nov 28 08:00 |
DaemonFC | so then the people get a shortage of dentists and have to wait 5 years while their cavity turns into a rotten tooth and needs pulled | Nov 28 08:01 |
oiaohm | Yep. | Nov 28 08:01 |
oiaohm | Govement does not pay too bad. | Nov 28 08:01 |
DaemonFC | that's pretty perverted | Nov 28 08:01 |
oiaohm | A few private now are donating 1 day every 3 months for free to catch the system up. | Nov 28 08:01 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Medicaid pay rates are so awful here that a dentist that takes it is something to avoid | Nov 28 08:02 |
DaemonFC | they'll probably fuck up your mouth trying to defraud medicaid | Nov 28 08:02 |
oiaohm | Public dentists get to travel australia for free DaemonFC | Nov 28 08:02 |
DaemonFC | like drill and fill healthy teeth | Nov 28 08:02 |
DaemonFC | to charge the government | Nov 28 08:02 |
DaemonFC | I've seen them do it | Nov 28 08:02 |
oiaohm | You agree free country wide travel is quite a good perk. | Nov 28 08:03 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: My ex was on Medicaid cause he was under 19 and they approve more of them | Nov 28 08:03 |
DaemonFC | had ONE cavity | Nov 28 08:03 |
DaemonFC | the dentist filled that and THREE healthy teeth | Nov 28 08:03 |
DaemonFC | to defraud the government | Nov 28 08:03 |
oiaohm | If that happens here the dentist loses his registration and no longer can prac. | Nov 28 08:04 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: I don't think it's worth that | Nov 28 08:04 |
oiaohm | And public is fairly much flat rate if they do fillings or not. | Nov 28 08:04 |
DaemonFC | dentists here wouldn't accept reduct payments and a ban on all their priciest stuff | Nov 28 08:04 |
DaemonFC | to get a few free plane tickets | Nov 28 08:04 |
DaemonFC | *reduced | Nov 28 08:04 |
oiaohm | Note its more profitable for them todo preventation here. | Nov 28 08:04 |
oiaohm | and see many people without problems. | Nov 28 08:04 |
oiaohm | What is profit causes problems DaemonFC | Nov 28 08:05 |
oiaohm | Even better for them the goverment lines up all school kids to have there teeth checked. | Nov 28 08:05 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Making dentists agree to work for half price to get in your program is why Medicaid is fucked | Nov 28 08:05 |
DaemonFC | but they only have to work cheap on Medicaid patients | Nov 28 08:06 |
oiaohm | Ours is fucked because we don't allow them to work on side. | Nov 28 08:06 |
DaemonFC | and they can still do optional stuff, but Medicaid won't pay for whitenings and such | Nov 28 08:06 |
oiaohm | Doing the more profitable but not important lines. | Nov 28 08:06 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: And Medicaid only pays for dangerous metal fillings which contain mercury | Nov 28 08:07 |
oiaohm | whitings are quite profitable things. | Nov 28 08:07 |
DaemonFC | and to get those kind, the dentist has to drill more of your tooth out | Nov 28 08:07 |
oiaohm | Metal fillings containing mercury are forbin. | Nov 28 08:07 |
DaemonFC | and then once it's in, your teeth are at risk of breaking later | Nov 28 08:07 |
oiaohm | why in hell is still used over there. | Nov 28 08:07 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: I asked for prices on both | Nov 28 08:07 |
DaemonFC | my dntist won't do them | Nov 28 08:07 |
DaemonFC | only composites | Nov 28 08:07 |
oiaohm | We get cermic like matterial. Or you can pay a upgrade to gold. | Nov 28 08:07 |
DaemonFC | I asked one of the other dentists in town for prices on both, and he told me $110 for metal or $160 for composites | Nov 28 08:08 |
DaemonFC | I'm not gonna get cheap and have to go through all those problems | Nov 28 08:08 |
oiaohm | In public you here you do have the option to pay the difference. | Nov 28 08:08 |
DaemonFC | I'm just getting composites | Nov 28 08:08 |
oiaohm | Its illegal to put mercry based in month here any more. | Nov 28 08:09 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: It's legal here, but people don't want them | Nov 28 08:09 |
DaemonFC | the only people that get stuck with them are poor people on Medicaid | Nov 28 08:09 |
oiaohm | Mostly because the mercry also kills the densit and the person who gets it. | Nov 28 08:09 |
oiaohm | Ie mercry vapor comes off when its put in. | Nov 28 08:10 |
DaemonFC | the only dentists that still do them, do them because it's what Medicaid will pay for | Nov 28 08:10 |
oiaohm | You laws sux. | Nov 28 08:10 |
DaemonFC | so the dentists that do them probably take Medicaid | Nov 28 08:10 |
DaemonFC | that's your sign to run like hell | Nov 28 08:10 |
DaemonFC | find a dentist that doesn't take Medicaid | Nov 28 08:10 |
DaemonFC | the ones that take it are piss poor at what they do | Nov 28 08:11 |
DaemonFC | and are willing to work cheap cause they're bad dentists | Nov 28 08:11 |
DaemonFC | I would try to avoid going to a Medicaid dentist even if I was on Medicaid and the fillings were free, oiaohm | Nov 28 08:11 |
DaemonFC | that's how little I think of them | Nov 28 08:11 |
DaemonFC | I would rather pay $320 for these two fillings than getting them free from a Medicaid dentist, even if I was on it | Nov 28 08:12 |
oiaohm | You know that composites can be color matched to teeth. | Nov 28 08:12 |
oiaohm | You know that you can make composite matterial lot cheeper if you go for a off while. | Nov 28 08:13 |
DaemonFC | getting your whole mouth fucked up is not wort saving $160 a filling | Nov 28 08:13 |
oiaohm | 160 for a good white composite | Nov 28 08:13 |
oiaohm | and about 90 for a yellowish one. | Nov 28 08:13 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: He's giving me a no insurance discount | Nov 28 08:13 |
oiaohm | Yes eww guess what you get here. | Nov 28 08:13 |
DaemonFC | the full price is $178 per | Nov 28 08:14 |
oiaohm | if you are goverment. | Nov 28 08:14 |
oiaohm | Simple fact the metal ones are not the cheepest out there either. | Nov 28 08:14 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: Most doctors charge a lot more if you have insurance | Nov 28 08:14 |
DaemonFC | they know they can wring more money out of the insurance company | Nov 28 08:14 |
oiaohm | Note the off white are also stronger DaemonFC | Nov 28 08:14 |
DaemonFC | like if I went to the doctor, it would cost $40 | Nov 28 08:15 |
oiaohm | So out last the cray mercry ones DaemonFC | Nov 28 08:15 |
DaemonFC | but if I went to the doctor and had insurance, they bill the insurance $78 | Nov 28 08:15 |
oiaohm | your system over there is ripping themselves of so bady. | Nov 28 08:15 |
oiaohm | Not only harming people need them redone more often. | Nov 28 08:15 |
oiaohm | Australian medical is peny pinching bastards but you do get treated. | Nov 28 08:16 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: That's what I was wondering | Nov 28 08:16 |
DaemonFC | are the dentists in Australia that opt to take the public funding incompetent? | Nov 28 08:16 |
DaemonFC | cause the ones here that take Medicaid are | Nov 28 08:16 |
oiaohm | The private ones are more likely to be incompetent here. | Nov 28 08:17 |
DaemonFC | oh? | Nov 28 08:17 |
DaemonFC | hmm | Nov 28 08:17 |
oiaohm | Reason the public ones have random inspections of work. | Nov 28 08:17 |
DaemonFC | oh | Nov 28 08:17 |
oiaohm | And if there work is not up to grade they will be in trouble. | Nov 28 08:17 |
DaemonFC | and they get booted out of they do shoddy work | Nov 28 08:17 |
DaemonFC | right? | Nov 28 08:17 |
oiaohm | Depends on what is the cause of the shoddy work. | Nov 28 08:18 |
oiaohm | Sometimes is retraining at goverments expense. | Nov 28 08:18 |
DaemonFC | I mean like routinely doing bad work | Nov 28 08:18 |
DaemonFC | cause the dentists that take Medicaid are always sloppy or fucking up | Nov 28 08:18 |
oiaohm | If they routinely do bad work they end up not being a dentist at all. | Nov 28 08:18 |
DaemonFC | and the government never audits them | Nov 28 08:18 |
oiaohm | Yes they loss the right to trade. | Nov 28 08:19 |
oiaohm | as a deniest and normally end up making false teeth. | Nov 28 08:19 |
oiaohm | Now if a private gets enough bad reports they will be inspected as well. | Nov 28 08:20 |
oiaohm | Publics just get inspected once a year no matter what. | Nov 28 08:20 |
DaemonFC | I really like this TV, oiaohm | Nov 28 08:22 |
oiaohm | Does help that if a goverment offical has a opps at work and harms a tooth they have go to a public dendist to have it inspected. | Nov 28 08:22 |
DaemonFC | I need to rent some DVDs, have a movie night | Nov 28 08:22 |
oiaohm | And fixed DaemonFC | Nov 28 08:22 |
oiaohm | Note they get to jump que. | Nov 28 08:22 |
DaemonFC | naturally | Nov 28 08:22 |
DaemonFC | they're better than you | Nov 28 08:22 |
DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 28 08:23 |
oiaohm | Basically if your goverment officals had to use your crap system it would not stay crap long. | Nov 28 08:23 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: They don't give a shit | Nov 28 08:23 |
DaemonFC | it's what they condemn poor people to | Nov 28 08:23 |
DaemonFC | they vote themselves dental plans that pay for the dentists of the stars | Nov 28 08:23 |
DaemonFC | :) | Nov 28 08:23 |
oiaohm | They only give a shit here because there month/arm/what ever is on the line. | Nov 28 08:23 |
oiaohm | There is no dental plans for public officals. | Nov 28 08:24 |
oiaohm | Other than public system bipass. | Nov 28 08:24 |
oiaohm | Ie que jumping. | Nov 28 08:24 |
oiaohm | It was decide it would be that way a long time ago DaemonFC | Nov 28 08:24 |
DaemonFC | I'm going to need an HDMI cable when I get that HD cable box | Nov 28 08:25 |
DaemonFC | I guess I could save a few bucks and use component cables | Nov 28 08:26 |
oiaohm | Simple problem here goverment is not allow to pay private companies for insurance on there workers here DaemonFC | Nov 28 08:26 |
oiaohm | And they are not allowed a in house system either. | Nov 28 08:26 |
oiaohm | So the public system has to work. | Nov 28 08:26 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, looks like they run the same price | Nov 28 08:26 |
DaemonFC | might as well get the HDMI cables | Nov 28 08:26 |
DaemonFC | the XBOX 360 came with a good solid pair of shielded component cables | Nov 28 08:27 |
oiaohm | Be ware of tv and HD cable boxs fighting at times DaemonFC | Nov 28 08:27 |
DaemonFC | it puts out good picture quality | Nov 28 08:27 |
oiaohm | On HDMI. | Nov 28 08:27 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: For the same price, I want HDMI | Nov 28 08:27 |
DaemonFC | cause Components are compatible with HDCP | Nov 28 08:28 |
oiaohm | I made my last set of compentent cables | Nov 28 08:28 |
DaemonFC | so if I get a Blu Ray player and use Component, it'll downscale everything to 576p instead of 1080p | Nov 28 08:28 |
DaemonFC | that's my understanding anyway | Nov 28 08:28 |
oiaohm | It was cheep to by a 15 meter airal cable and end it DaemonFC | Nov 28 08:28 |
oiaohm | Arial cable works great with audio | Nov 28 08:28 |
DaemonFC | still better than a DVD, but 480p to 576p wouldn't justify the price of a Blu Ray player if your TV can't do the HDCP | Nov 28 08:29 |
DaemonFC | you could get better than DVD rips though from Blu Ray I guess, even if you have to use component cables to rip the movie | Nov 28 08:30 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=11987734 | Nov 28 08:38 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Walmart.com: Emerson 32" Class LCD HDTV, LC320EMXF: TVs .::. Size~: 153.34 KB | Nov 28 08:38 |
DaemonFC | The same TV I bought yesterday morning is now $318 | Nov 28 08:38 |
DaemonFC | I got it for $248 B-) | Nov 28 08:38 |
DaemonFC | $70 for standing in line for an hour is fair I guess | Nov 28 08:39 |
DaemonFC | something tells me this was one of those loss leaders on that sale | Nov 28 08:39 |
DaemonFC | probably figured that if they lost $40-50 per TV, but sold an HDMI cable, a Blu Ray player, a game console, games, movies, etc.... | Nov 28 08:41 |
DaemonFC | The TV is like a gateway drug | Nov 28 08:41 |
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tessier | http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1942834,00.html | Nov 28 09:42 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: The 00's: A Decade from Hell - TIME .::. Size~: 55.13 KB | Nov 28 09:42 |
tessier | Good article. | Nov 28 09:42 |
tessier | I didn't realize how much we have really been through. | Nov 28 09:42 |
tessier | Also good to put things in perspective though. I am still glad I was in the US during this decade than an average person in China or Brazil. | Nov 28 09:43 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Saw an old Mac Keynote from 2000. Jobs said Apple had ~25M users. Makes Ubuntu estimated ~13M now (~10 years on) seem pretty good to me. | Nov 28 10:05 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] [1;3A[1;3B[6;3~[5;3~Mf | Nov 28 10:11 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] if I just sent some gibberish in a dent, I appologise, Fich appeared to freeze | Nov 28 10:14 | |
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ender2070 | listen to this | Nov 28 10:33 |
ender2070 | "Free software wounded it in the early 1990s. The Internet stabbed it again. But it was open source, in this decade, that struck the fatal blow. " | Nov 28 10:33 |
ender2070 | why mention free software and open source seperately? oh yeah its zdnet | Nov 28 10:34 |
ender2070 | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5350 | Nov 28 10:34 |
ender2070 | attributing the decline of the EULA to open source, not free software | Nov 28 10:38 |
ender2070 | its very clever use of subliminals | Nov 28 10:38 |
schestowitz | ZDNet has no Free software blog | Nov 28 10:56 |
schestowitz | They domesticate Stallman | Nov 28 10:56 |
schestowitz | "she actually believes free software exists for corporations to "consume" for profit... how does such a person wind up as executive director of the gnome foundation in the first place?" --source | Nov 28 10:57 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I love how some functions start as third party addons or plugins, only to gradually evolve into the main project if a lot of peeps use them | Nov 28 10:57 | |
schestowitz | "Free Software continues to push into mainstream deployments, which is progress, and yet dangerous compromises are made along the way. The presence of Mono and the absence of the GIMP are two examples. A locked down cloud and the absence of GPL3 in the Linux kernel are more examples." | Nov 28 10:58 |
schestowitz | "And yet, at the same time, we are succeeding in bleeding the Borg of revenue. Microsoft continues to lose market share in important areas such as netbooks and smartphones, slack that is taken up by the Linux kernel or even GNU/Linux." | Nov 28 10:58 |
schestowitz | "The world is a confusing place. Novell continues to contribute drivers to GNU/Linux, while assisting Microsoft in extending questionable code into FOSS projects. Google makes contributions to the Linux kernel while locking down the cloud. Canonical increases its presence and influence in the installed base, while making mistakes like Mono and the GIMP." | Nov 28 10:58 |
schestowitz | "And yet we disagree often, even amongst ourselves, and the disagreement is often bitter, and perhaps even divisive. There is no doubt in my mind that Miguel de Icaza believes that Free Software is going to make Microsoft a shadow of its current monolithic size, nor is there any doubt in my mind that Miguel does not have the best interests of Microsoft at heart." | Nov 28 10:59 |
schestowitz | "And yet he is taking such a circuitous route toward undermining them, it appears to most people that he is supporting them with initiatives such as Mono and Moonlight." | Nov 28 10:59 |
schestowitz | "So the question that I continue to ask myself is how we, the larger FOSS community, can continue to go forward with some measure of unity despite our deep disagreements with each other. I don't like Mono or Moonlight, but I am not sure how to work for progress without entering into conflict with important members of our community." | Nov 28 10:59 |
schestowitz | "I firmly believe that Microsoft tries to defeat the advance of FOSS by accentuating the disagreements in our community. It is pretty difficult to tell Linus Torvalds that he is holding the movement back by not moving to GPL3, and yet it's difficult to see how Richard Stallman is wrong about GPL3 or a locked down cloud or Mono or Moonlight." | Nov 28 10:59 |
schestowitz | "So eventually, we will win, but it is going to be a long and painful process. Sometimes, it keeps me awake at night, the thought of the deep divisions in our community. [...]" | Nov 28 11:00 |
schestowitz | "It seems as if there will always be a core group of people like us who want to insist on Free Software, and we will always have to deal with people like Linus and Miguel who are willing to take a more middle ground approach. This thought is frustrating to me." | Nov 28 11:00 |
schestowitz | And yet we're stuck with people who try to coerce RMS | Nov 28 11:00 |
schestowitz | They smear him | Nov 28 11:00 |
schestowitz | As if to say, it's time to get out | Nov 28 11:01 |
schestowitz | "Move over Stallman, we'll take it from here with our DRM and shareholders" | Nov 28 11:01 |
schestowitz | Be careful of the smears and defensive of the FSF | Nov 28 11:01 |
schestowitz | The digital equiv. of neocons is looking to cancel the social movement of Free software and redefine it all | Nov 28 11:02 |
schestowitz | To make just another APple-like cult with "open ssssssssssource." | Nov 28 11:02 |
ender2070 | yeah | Nov 28 11:13 |
ender2070 | actually my study of subliminal messages ended up leaking into these issues because i noticed the same things | Nov 28 11:13 |
ender2070 | you'll notice, FSF wasn't outright attacked but they were both brought up as seperate entities and one was glorified and praised | Nov 28 11:14 |
ender2070 | I find it quite hard and effort-full to ignore Lins*x website | Nov 28 11:16 |
ender2070 | im glad new users can't post on their forums | Nov 28 11:16 |
ender2070 | it makes it easier not to say anything there | Nov 28 11:17 |
schestowitz | >> their | Nov 28 11:20 |
schestowitz | You mean, "his"? | Nov 28 11:20 |
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schestowitz | mutex here | Nov 28 11:20 |
schestowitz | Let the bugger go back to Lins** | Nov 28 11:21 |
ender2070 | I didn't see him there | Nov 28 11:21 |
ender2070 | unless under another alias | Nov 28 11:21 |
ender2070 | they had a whopping 5 users on | Nov 28 11:22 |
ender2070 | including me | Nov 28 11:23 |
schestowitz | Here's the thing | Nov 28 11:24 |
schestowitz | Off the top of my head | Nov 28 11:24 |
schestowitz | Media chooses what is important and what is not | Nov 28 11:24 |
schestowitz | Its financial power comes not just from direct advertising | Nov 28 11:24 |
schestowitz | But from choosing to tell people what's important | Nov 28 11:25 |
schestowitz | So, regarding FSF: | Nov 28 11:25 |
schestowitz | Basically, they can ignore everything GNU | Nov 28 11:25 |
schestowitz | This gives people the impression that Free software is irrelevent | Nov 28 11:25 |
schestowitz | GNU is disliked by business | Nov 28 11:25 |
schestowitz | And thus business press | Nov 28 11:25 |
schestowitz | ZDNet would rather hire Windows hacks like Blankenhorn, then label it "open source" | Nov 28 11:25 |
schestowitz | Then they are guaranteed little repsect for RMS | Nov 28 11:25 |
schestowitz | Same in CNET | Nov 28 11:25 |
schestowitz | Shankland, Asay..... | Nov 28 11:26 |
schestowitz | Had it been an FSF guy (unique thinker) he would not be selected to be there | Nov 28 11:26 |
schestowitz | So anyway... | Nov 28 11:26 |
schestowitz | That's just something worth saying. That's why people need to rely a little less on what big businesses tell them is important, namely what's profitable | Nov 28 11:27 |
ender2070 | thats exactly my point | Nov 28 11:28 |
ender2070 | they emphasis was placed on open source | Nov 28 11:28 |
ender2070 | not free software | Nov 28 11:28 |
ender2070 | they were both included in the article, simply so you can be shown and told which one is better between the lines | Nov 28 11:28 |
ender2070 | its the same as bundling a bunch of free software related terms, and proprietary technology | Nov 28 11:29 |
oiaohm | schestowitz: Richard Stallman and Linus disagree on how the DRM issue will be sorted out. | Nov 28 11:31 |
oiaohm | There always has to be disagreements in the open source world other wise its not freedom. | Nov 28 11:32 |
oiaohm | Its when the open source world has too much peace we have problems. Remember war is some of a humans best times for invention. | Nov 28 11:34 |
schestowitz | Arguments are not wars | Nov 28 11:51 |
schestowitz | Proprietary folks have more realistic wars... | Nov 28 11:51 |
schestowitz | Poaching of staff, attacking by proxy (litigation), etc. | Nov 28 11:51 |
schestowitz | The problem is that a lot of the proprietary world is not edging into Free software | Nov 28 11:51 |
schestowitz | And trying to 'reform' it | Nov 28 11:51 |
schestowitz | Even Nokia | Nov 28 11:51 |
oiaohm | MS push the myth that you could not make profit with open source. | Nov 28 12:11 |
oiaohm | pushed. | Nov 28 12:11 |
oiaohm | For companies like Nokia there really was not that much advantage to closed source. | Nov 28 12:11 |
ender2070 | i can't trust closed source at all | Nov 28 12:12 |
ender2070 | i dont think I ever will | Nov 28 12:12 |
ender2070 | you will NEVER know 100% what your computer is doing, otherwise | Nov 28 12:13 |
oiaohm | closed source is deeper than you think ender2070. intel chips contain a microcode to convert from x86 to the chips native internal code. | Nov 28 12:14 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Lots to do today. I might start doing some of it one day soon. | Nov 28 12:31 | |
schestowitz |  | Nov 28 12:31 |
schestowitz | [12:11] <oiaohm> MS push the myth that you could not make profit with open source. | Nov 28 12:31 |
schestowitz | Go speak to non-Free software companies | Nov 28 12:32 |
schestowitz | Those that sell for $50 a piece | Nov 28 12:32 |
schestowitz | *apiece | Nov 28 12:32 |
schestowitz | Ask them how many copies they sold | Nov 28 12:32 |
schestowitz | Average companies | Nov 28 12:32 |
schestowitz | Those that _survive_ (very few) | Nov 28 12:32 |
schestowitz | Then you'd realise that it's a myth | Nov 28 12:32 |
schestowitz | If you charge, people may not come | Nov 28 12:32 |
schestowitz | The same illusion is created around the Web... | Nov 28 12:32 |
schestowitz | ...that if you make some decent site, then Silicon Valley will come knocking and you'll be a MySpace-like sensation | Nov 28 12:33 |
ender2070 | oiaohm - actually its code that translates x86 into risc | Nov 28 12:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ubuntu is so easy to install, even a 5 year old can do it. http://bit.ly/8M1UtR #fb | Nov 28 12:35 | |
ender2070 | it would also be quite hard to introduce surveillance in such an obvious to detect mechanism | Nov 28 12:35 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: The GNOME Journal: The Un-Scary Screwdriver .::. Size~: 11.78 KB | Nov 28 12:35 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @g33f: Profanity is the one language all programmers know best." (via @sup3rkiddo's IM status) | Nov 28 12:36 | |
ender2070 | steganography can be quite scary too, most think of it as defense against tyrannical governments | Nov 28 12:38 |
ender2070 | however, you could use it to hide surveillance data in random "bug crash" transmissions | Nov 28 12:38 |
ender2070 | binaries without source could also have trojans, which are more realistic | Nov 28 12:39 |
oiaohm | First worm virus was open source ender2070 | Nov 28 12:39 |
ender2070 | trojans you might never detect because they arent in the wild | Nov 28 12:39 |
ender2070 | came out of MIT | Nov 28 12:39 |
oiaohm | Open source makes it harder to hind thing but not impossiable. | Nov 28 12:39 |
ender2070 | and it wasnt a trojan | Nov 28 12:39 |
oiaohm | mallissa worm ender2070 | Nov 28 12:40 |
ender2070 | it exploited systems to gain access | Nov 28 12:40 |
ender2070 | melissa did the same, and melissa was closed source | Nov 28 12:40 |
oiaohm | mallissa worm was a trojan. | Nov 28 12:40 |
oiaohm | No it was not. | Nov 28 12:40 |
oiaohm | It was a vba macro in a doc file perfectly readable no encryption nothing. | Nov 28 12:41 |
ender2070 | melissa was binary only, did not come with source and spread via tricking outlook users | Nov 28 12:41 |
oiaohm | Just a auto run script | Nov 28 12:41 |
oiaohm | Anything with auto run scripts might be dangourous. | Nov 28 12:41 |
ender2070 | oh for sure | Nov 28 12:41 |
oiaohm | malissa worm was a typo. | Nov 28 12:41 |
ender2070 | it exploited the os to gain access | Nov 28 12:42 |
oiaohm | He made a mass mailing script then sent it attached to the document he was sending. | Nov 28 12:42 |
oiaohm | No it was exploiting word ender2070 | Nov 28 12:42 |
oiaohm | Its one of the few that works under wine by the way. | Nov 28 12:42 |
ender2070 | same shit | Nov 28 12:42 |
ender2070 | word was integrated | Nov 28 12:42 |
oiaohm | There have been earlier forms for scripts doing the same thing. | Nov 28 12:43 |
ender2070 | yes but they are quite obvious | Nov 28 12:43 |
oiaohm | Linux is partly at risk at moment due to the handling of .desktop files. | Nov 28 12:43 |
ender2070 | its not like downloading a game and not knowing its watching everything you do | Nov 28 12:43 |
ender2070 | dont make your home directories have +x flags anywhere | Nov 28 12:44 |
oiaohm | Lot of Linux root kits are open source as well. | Nov 28 12:44 |
ender2070 | errr, make sure your* | Nov 28 12:44 |
ender2070 | dont have +x | Nov 28 12:44 |
oiaohm | .desktop files run without +x flags | Nov 28 12:44 |
oiaohm | Yes a Opps | Nov 28 12:44 |
ender2070 | they execute? | Nov 28 12:45 |
ender2070 | that is quite bad | Nov 28 12:45 |
oiaohm | they can execute a single line of code. | Nov 28 12:45 |
oiaohm | Into bash | Nov 28 12:45 |
ender2070 | but your derailing my original statement | Nov 28 12:45 |
oiaohm | Not really. closed source just makes it harder. | Nov 28 12:45 |
oiaohm | pps easier. | Nov 28 12:45 |
ender2070 | closed source makes it easier to hide things | Nov 28 12:46 |
oiaohm | Ok depends on the way you are looking at . Closed source makers it harder to attack | Nov 28 12:46 |
oiaohm | detect | Nov 28 12:46 |
ender2070 | i could give you a windows binary right now that your av will never find anything wrong with | Nov 28 12:46 |
oiaohm | But defects is the reason the attack is possiable in the first place. | Nov 28 12:46 |
ender2070 | you can bind a trojan to any exe, and if you make your own trojan its undetectable | Nov 28 12:47 |
ender2070 | since windows usually uses closed source software, its not as noticable | Nov 28 12:47 |
oiaohm | Yet filtered execution the trojan would be ineffective. | Nov 28 12:47 |
ender2070 | if you stick with open source, you dont run into the trojan issue. but worms and viruses can still do damage if you arent vigilant. | Nov 28 12:48 |
oiaohm | You still can run into trojans in open source. | Nov 28 12:48 |
ender2070 | how so | Nov 28 12:48 |
oiaohm | Just they are rarer.. | Nov 28 12:48 |
ender2070 | you got the code | Nov 28 12:48 |
oiaohm | Also requires you to be stupid. | Nov 28 12:48 |
ender2070 | you can compile the program yourself if you dont trust the binary | Nov 28 12:48 |
oiaohm | How many people can read code ender2070 | Nov 28 12:49 |
ender2070 | a lot of people can read code | Nov 28 12:49 |
oiaohm | to the level to detect a set of coding errors turning a program from harmless to harmful. | Nov 28 12:49 |
ender2070 | enough that even noobies can get proper advice | Nov 28 12:49 |
ender2070 | a trojan put there on purpose will be detected | Nov 28 12:50 |
ender2070 | and the project may never get trusted again | Nov 28 12:50 |
ender2070 | it would be shamed | Nov 28 12:50 |
oiaohm | there have been classics. Like the BSD PAM system having a password bypass for over 10 years not detected | Nov 28 12:51 |
oiaohm | It was put in by the auther for debuging reasons. | Nov 28 12:51 |
ender2070 | BSD isn't a good example | Nov 28 12:51 |
ender2070 | nobody uses it, thats why | Nov 28 12:51 |
ender2070 | not enough eyes | Nov 28 12:51 |
oiaohm | The same PAM code was picked up by Linux and most Unixs. | Nov 28 12:51 |
oiaohm | At the time. | Nov 28 12:51 |
ender2070 | who fixed it :) | Nov 28 12:51 |
ender2070 | not BSD | Nov 28 12:51 |
oiaohm | The auther who put it in. | Nov 28 12:52 |
oiaohm | He relooked at his code one day and when opps that should not have been released. | Nov 28 12:52 |
ender2070 | thats entirely possible | Nov 28 12:52 |
ender2070 | quite unlikely and rare tho as you say | Nov 28 12:52 |
oiaohm | Presuming open source does not have trojans is foolish. | Nov 28 12:53 |
oiaohm | Ok presume that they will be rare is kinda backable by history. | Nov 28 12:53 |
ender2070 | ill give you incompetence | Nov 28 12:54 |
ender2070 | thats always an issue | Nov 28 12:54 |
oiaohm | Most common forms of open source trojans are caused by debuging code left in. | Nov 28 12:54 |
ender2070 | that just goes with incompetence | Nov 28 12:54 |
oiaohm | And the cause it gets left in tracks to not have testcases to detect if debuging code is in or not. | Nov 28 12:55 |
ender2070 | any sufficiently paranoid person will be inspecting code that runs on his pc, thats my point | Nov 28 12:55 |
ender2070 | not everyone can, but not everyone is worried either | Nov 28 12:55 |
oiaohm | The PAM one was extreamlly suttel | Nov 28 12:55 |
ender2070 | your point is valid except, with closed source you have no way of even detecting any of that | Nov 28 12:56 |
oiaohm | You do. | Nov 28 12:57 |
ender2070 | you dont at all | Nov 28 12:57 |
oiaohm | fuzz testing. | Nov 28 12:57 |
ender2070 | you cant even see the code | Nov 28 12:57 |
oiaohm | Through random data at it and see if a flaw triggers. | Nov 28 12:57 |
oiaohm | disasmemblely another option ender2070 | Nov 28 12:57 |
ender2070 | and that prevents them from deliberately spying on you? | Nov 28 12:57 |
oiaohm | Closed source is not a magical 100 percent invis stunt. | Nov 28 12:58 |
ender2070 | not 100% but good enough | Nov 28 12:58 |
oiaohm | All it does is make the process of searching for bugs a little harder ender2070 | Nov 28 12:58 |
oiaohm | Note the word a little harder. | Nov 28 12:59 |
oiaohm | Some reverse compliers today take asm and covert it back into C | Nov 28 12:59 |
ender2070 | and if they take steps to prevent that? | Nov 28 12:59 |
oiaohm | Every step to prevent that there is a counter measure. | Nov 28 12:59 |
oiaohm | With best setup you can only expect to slow attacker down from being at a form of source by 48 hours. | Nov 28 13:00 |
ender2070 | you can prevent your source from being read, if you tried | Nov 28 13:00 |
oiaohm | Unless of course the complete code is embed in a processor chip not accessable. | Nov 28 13:01 |
oiaohm | ender2070: the cpu always has to be able to read it. | Nov 28 13:01 |
oiaohm | That is what brings the house down. | Nov 28 13:01 |
oiaohm | closed source is a house of cards. | Nov 28 13:01 |
ender2070 | a portion of code can be secure and unlocked using a signed key from the internet, all in ram without touching your disk | Nov 28 13:02 |
oiaohm | No problem ender2070 | Nov 28 13:02 |
ender2070 | think, blue ray | Nov 28 13:02 |
oiaohm | blueray is cracked. | Nov 28 13:02 |
ender2070 | blueray's keys were on the disks | Nov 28 13:02 |
ender2070 | not on the internet | Nov 28 13:02 |
oiaohm | Ram can be cooled and removed and data extracted. | Nov 28 13:03 |
ender2070 | not 100% | Nov 28 13:03 |
ender2070 | it often fails | Nov 28 13:03 |
oiaohm | Supprisingally not that much. | Nov 28 13:03 |
ender2070 | its a lot harder than inspecting code | Nov 28 13:03 |
oiaohm | Select ram sticks you have upto 40 mins to access. | Nov 28 13:03 |
ender2070 | i would like to see the average person cool their ram and remove it and extract the data | Nov 28 13:04 |
oiaohm | I said attacker. | Nov 28 13:04 |
oiaohm | Not adverage person. | Nov 28 13:04 |
ender2070 | my issue: untrusted binaries with homebrew trojans | Nov 28 13:05 |
ender2070 | you have no idea what you're getting into with closed source | Nov 28 13:05 |
oiaohm | Selected motherboards can be bussed into to access live ram. | Nov 28 13:05 |
ender2070 | every program is suspect | Nov 28 13:05 |
oiaohm | Attackers have money and resources. | Nov 28 13:05 |
oiaohm | General home users don't. | Nov 28 13:05 |
oiaohm | Closed source really does not keep anyone safe. | Nov 28 13:06 |
ender2070 | thats what im trying to say | Nov 28 13:06 |
oiaohm | Closed source is normally sold with the supid idea that is somehow better secuirty. | Nov 28 13:06 |
ender2070 | closed source isnt safe | Nov 28 13:06 |
oiaohm | But the point I am making with the right tech no matter what protection closed source uses you can audit it unless its embed inside a chip where you cannot get at it. | Nov 28 13:07 |
oiaohm | Most users don't have the means to read code either ender2070 | Nov 28 13:08 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Diamonds are a girl's best friend. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/22082.html http://reddragdiva.livejournal.com/535899.html | Nov 28 13:14 | |
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schestowitz | Hey, wallc_ | Nov 28 13:19 |
wallc_ | good morning (yawn) :) | Nov 28 13:19 |
wallc_ | still waking up here. | Nov 28 13:19 |
schestowitz | I know the feeling... been catching up with Novell/SUSE stuff... tired | Nov 28 13:20 |
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wallc_ | i'm deciding whether to work today or not (leaning towards the "or not" side) | Nov 28 13:23 |
wallc_ | Daemon! How's things in Indiana? | Nov 28 13:24 |
DaemonFC | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Dell-Customizes-Chrome-OS-For-The-Dell-Mini-10v-510639/ | Nov 28 13:32 |
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DaemonFC | wallc_: As Indiana-ish as ever | Nov 28 13:32 |
DaemonFC | it's cold, depressing, and full of meth labs and domestic disputes | Nov 28 13:32 |
DaemonFC | the cold part changes back after roughly 5-6 months though | Nov 28 13:33 |
DaemonFC | :) | Nov 28 13:33 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: at least Dell customer will just switch the thing on and be stuck in a browser, so no questions like, "where is the blue E?" | Nov 28 13:35 |
MinceR | there will be instead questions like "why did the case break in normal use?" and "why did the keyboard fall apart from normal use and why isn't it under warranty?" and "why did the GPU melt itself?" | Nov 28 13:36 |
ender2070 | lol | Nov 28 13:40 |
MinceR | i wonder if they claim that minis are RoadReady(tm) too | Nov 28 13:41 |
MinceR | apparently not | Nov 28 13:43 |
MinceR | so if you look at it too hard, it breaks | Nov 28 13:43 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Most laptops are not well constructed | Nov 28 13:44 |
MinceR | but probably not as badly as dell | Nov 28 13:45 |
MinceR | s | Nov 28 13:45 |
DaemonFC | "Why did the battery explode?" | Nov 28 13:46 |
DaemonFC | "Why doesn't the FTC look into this?" | Nov 28 13:47 |
schestowitz | German minister quits in row over Nato air strike that killed civilians http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/27/franz-josef-jung-nato-afghanistan | Nov 28 13:47 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: thoughts? | Nov 28 13:47 |
schestowitz | You seem to have been OK with death of innocent, IIRC | Nov 28 13:47 |
MinceR | battery explosions are more of a crApple thing | Nov 28 13:48 |
schestowitz | Or Sony | Nov 28 13:48 |
schestowitz | Who makes batteries for Apple? | Nov 28 13:48 |
schestowitz | As we all know, Apple doesn't make computers | Nov 28 13:48 |
schestowitz | It just wage slavery in Asia | Nov 28 13:48 |
schestowitz | Outsourcing | Nov 28 13:48 |
DaemonFC | Chinese slaves | Nov 28 13:48 |
wallc_ | I have an old Compaq Armada laptop that was given to me about 7 or 8 years ago. It still works, though a couple of the keys have fallen off. I've tried installing various Linux distros on it over the years, but none worked well... | Nov 28 13:48 |
schestowitz | Who makes Apple's batteries? | Nov 28 13:48 |
schestowitz | wallc_: I bought a Presario 10 years ago | Nov 28 13:49 |
schestowitz | 1246 IIRC | Nov 28 13:49 |
wallc_ | I've been wondering if some of the new netbook-type software might work on that old Armada... | Nov 28 13:50 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Another interesting replacement for F-Spot http://photobatch.stani.be/ | Nov 28 13:51 | |
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tessier | Ugh. I had wanted to be asleep hours ago. Machines always seem to pick unfortunate times to have issues. | Nov 28 13:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Or simply support and help (testing) Kubuntu Lucid Lynx instead of Ubuntu ;-) http://www.kubuntu.org | Nov 28 13:55 | |
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schestowitz | wallc_: I'm doing your post now... the transcript | Nov 28 14:02 |
wallc_ | You don't think there are too many "holes" in it where I couldn't figure out the words she said? | Nov 28 14:03 |
schestowitz | wallc_: you're not supposed to use this Armada | Nov 28 14:03 |
wallc_ | lol...it's not like the Spanish Armada...no canons or anything... | Nov 28 14:04 |
schestowitz | You should be a good consumer, ship this over for burial with the toxins somewhere in the Black Continent and then go buy some new one, assembled in China by kids | Nov 28 14:04 |
schestowitz | Yes, Armada was always a funny name | Nov 28 14:04 |
schestowitz | I actually used to correlate it with the band at the time | Nov 28 14:04 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Who Invented Foxes is scary. http://www.whoinventedfoxes.com/submission/566/ | Nov 28 14:05 | |
schestowitz | Use a Vandana lapotp | Nov 28 14:06 |
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wallc_ | Are you still using Kubuntu? | Nov 28 14:06 |
*MinceR is | Nov 28 14:09 | |
MinceR | vandana? | Nov 28 14:10 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Video Transcript of #VandanaShiva on Insane #Patents http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/28/video-transcript-vandana-shiva/ | Nov 28 14:12 | |
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zer0c00l | good that you have made the transcript :) | Nov 28 14:13 |
schestowitz | "Iran faced a display of rare international unity today when the UN's nuclear watchdog demanded it halt work on a secret uranium enrichment plant whose exposure highlighted concerns that the country is seeking nuclear weapons." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/27/iran-iaea-vote-nuclear-plant | Nov 28 14:14 |
schestowitz | zer0c00l: I didn't | Nov 28 14:14 |
schestowitz | wallc_ did | Nov 28 14:14 |
schestowitz | Who really paid for your Christmas - http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-sep-dec.html#28%20November%202009%20%28Who%20really%20paid%20for%20your%20Christmas%29 | Nov 28 14:15 |
zer0c00l | wallc_: :-), you saved my time :D | Nov 28 14:15 |
schestowitz | Externalities. | Nov 28 14:15 |
schestowitz | Bill Gates is a very nice man. He's pushing Monsanto into India whether the people want it or not. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/19/gmo-patent-investments/ | Nov 28 14:17 |
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wallc_ | zer0c00l, I'm happy to have helped. :) | Nov 28 14:17 |
zer0c00l | schestowitz: http://lists.fosscom.in/pipermail/network-fosscom.in/2009-November/001922.html | Nov 28 14:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] NASA Satellites Detect Unexpected Ice Loss in East Antarctica http://ur1.ca/gor8 A/Cs won't solve it | Nov 28 14:20 | |
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schestowitz | Oops. Wrong link... | Nov 28 14:24 |
schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/26/chilcot-inquiry-iraq-blair-goldsmith | Nov 28 14:25 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] If only this text were not too long to beat anti-vaccination arseholes to death with. http://is.gd/55I0d | Nov 28 14:25 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] NASA Satellites Detect Unexpected Ice Loss in East Antarctica http://ur1.ca/gorf A/Cs won't solve it | Nov 28 14:25 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "US discussed Iraq regime change a month after Bush took office, senior British officials say" http://ur1.ca/gorj | Nov 28 14:27 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - Perspective In Fiction | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yg2buyv | Nov 28 14:30 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.topix.net/science/computer-science/2009/11/targeting-mobile-internet-market-lenovo-to-acquire-mobile-handset-business | Nov 28 14:37 |
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schestowitz | http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/28/world/main5810174.shtml | Nov 28 14:37 |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] RD: @glynmoody: Chat with the 17 year old hacker who hacked my blog - http://bit.ly/707RNI if authentic, provides useful insights #cracking | Nov 28 14:56 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody: Chat with the 17 year old hacker who hacked my blog - http://bit.ly/707RNI if authentic, provides useful insights #cracking | Nov 28 15:01 | |
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zer0c00l | hehehe lot of tweets | Nov 28 15:02 |
zer0c00l | amusing story to read ;-) | Nov 28 15:07 |
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_goblin | hi all | Nov 28 15:17 |
schestowitz | Eleanor Roosevelt once said "no one can make you feel inferior without your consent." | Nov 28 15:22 |
schestowitz | Check out http://www.rdpnda.com/ | Nov 28 15:22 |
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schestowitz | It has just been released by someone I know | Nov 28 15:22 |
schestowitz | I'm running it in Firefox right now, it seems pretty useful | Nov 28 15:23 |
schestowitz | We're here: http://webwereld.nl/nieuws/64413/omstreden-trusted-computing-nu-op-linux.html | Nov 28 15:24 |
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schestowitz | "Roy Schestowitz of the Boycott Novell blog called TPM support in openSUSE also a Anti feature." | Nov 28 15:24 |
_goblin | who said that? | Nov 28 15:26 |
schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.co.uk/talkback/0,1000001161,39887560-21000001c-20105602o,00.htm | Nov 28 15:26 |
schestowitz | "Its a bit weird to see Stalman in there. Why are you being so brutal to him? I hardly think Stallman is a disaster. He wrote the GNU stack, regardless of his late politics he is THE man. And that will be famous historical fact for a long time." | Nov 28 15:26 |
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_goblin | "Vista is rubbish, but I don't think it will be mentioned in CS classes for years to come. " - a bit like ME? lol...Vista imo will be seen as the turning point release where MS finally saw the beginnings of noticable migration away from its platform. | Nov 28 15:28 |
_goblin | Vista would have probably been forgotten if MS had held their hands up at the time.... | Nov 28 15:29 |
schestowitz | There were issues prior to it | Nov 28 15:33 |
schestowitz | Like SaaS | Nov 28 15:33 |
schestowitz | And Microsoft demise in other areas | Nov 28 15:34 |
schestowitz | "Well the initial impression is how much it [Windows 7] looks like Vista. Which I think is…uh…the thing I’m not supposed to say. " --Microsoft Jack Schofield | Nov 28 15:36 |
schestowitz | eWEEK claims 4% market share for GNU/Linux in its Web site. http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/comment/web-apps-and--windows-as-a-runtime--open-new-os-doors-2596 | Nov 28 15:47 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Considering making some kind of home made barbeque sauce for chicken.. and maybe some potatoes. hmmm.. inspiration required | Nov 28 16:20 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post - A Collection Of Random Errata | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yftxwpm | Nov 28 16:26 | |
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schestowitz | bbl | Nov 28 16:26 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I subscribed to nufaisi8477's channel on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/user/nufaisi8477?feature=autoshare_twitter | Nov 28 16:27 | |
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cubezzz | windows sucks, peroid | Nov 28 17:54 |
cubezzz | period | Nov 28 17:54 |
cubezzz | lots of better operating systems out there | Nov 28 17:54 |
cubezzz | I can go months without touching a windows box | Nov 28 17:56 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I found FireStatus was a more convienient Identi.ca paster while using Firefox | Nov 28 18:03 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] How to block webpages and domain using the hosts file - A handy adblocking solution http://tinyurl.com/y8axxav | Nov 28 18:08 | |
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sebsebseb | hi | Nov 28 18:28 |
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Omar87 | Hi all. | Nov 28 18:42 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: So, is it true that Ubuntu One is based on Mono? | Nov 28 18:43 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: Really? | Nov 28 18:43 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wife out. Sam sleeping. Sophie colouring. I'm making hot chocolate for Sophie before we sit down to watch some dancing on the telly :) #fb | Nov 28 19:02 | |
schestowitz | Omar87: no, it's not | Nov 28 19:12 |
schestowitz | http://olyblog.net/vandana-shiva-visit-olympia | Nov 28 19:14 |
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cubezzz | what was the gtk thing like xvidcap? | Nov 28 19:27 |
cubezzz | recordmydesktop | Nov 28 19:28 |
cubezzz | well, ported my old programs over anyway | Nov 28 19:29 |
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cubezzz | looks a bit like the First Federation Ship :) | Nov 28 19:34 |
schestowitz | Yes, that's the one I use | Nov 28 19:35 |
cubezzz | actually this vid I just made isn't too bad | Nov 28 19:35 |
cubezzz | if I change the font size people will be able to see the bash stuff | Nov 28 19:37 |
cubezzz | then I'll need a microphone so I can blah blah blah about FOSS | Nov 28 19:38 |
cubezzz | ok :) | Nov 28 19:41 |
schestowitz | Will you upload it? | Nov 28 19:50 |
cubezzz | yeah eventually | Nov 28 19:50 |
cubezzz | it's rather voluminous at the moment | Nov 28 19:50 |
schestowitz | If you produce something, then I can embed it to show GNU/Linux off | Nov 28 19:57 |
schestowitz | I've been sharing funky videos recently to show people how advanced the platform is | Nov 28 19:58 |
schestowitz | Not some CLI windows or Brownbuntu | Nov 28 19:58 |
cubezzz | embed it on boycottnovell you mean? | Nov 28 19:58 |
schestowitz | Yes, as ogg | Nov 28 19:58 |
schestowitz | This way it gets over a thousand views within a day or twoi | Nov 28 19:58 |
schestowitz | Embedded ogg is interesting... it fetched a packet for start of file for playback | Nov 28 19:59 |
schestowitz | If triggered, then it starts streaming (in Firefox that is) | Nov 28 19:59 |
cubezzz | it might not work in windows | Nov 28 20:00 |
cubezzz | then the dozers can't see how great Linux is :) | Nov 28 20:01 |
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cubezzz | ok, got to get mplayer and mencoder on the new Fedora first | Nov 28 20:03 |
schestowitz | Many "dozers" don't know what Linux *is* | Nov 28 20:06 |
schestowitz | They don't know they are "dozers" either | Nov 28 20:06 |
schestowitz | They believe "computers" just comes with that "blue E" and all embedded to them | Nov 28 20:06 |
cubezzz | dozer is an old term :) | Nov 28 20:08 |
cubezzz | predating windows, but I've updated it's meaning for the modern era | Nov 28 20:09 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto Wikipedia should go harder on them | Nov 28 20:11 |
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schestowitz | They must be hiring PR Turfers to warp Wikipedia | Nov 28 20:11 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: an apt term.... they are asleep, not seeing options | Nov 28 20:12 |
schestowitz | Another one I came across was "Windows LUSers" | Nov 28 20:12 |
cubezzz | old dozer is someone who didn't pay any attention in class :) | Nov 28 20:13 |
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cubezzz | ok, first attempt.... | Nov 28 20:17 |
cubezzz | http://maxhost.org/other/foss-video-1.ogv | Nov 28 20:17 |
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cubezzz | I'll make a better video later | Nov 28 20:17 |
cubezzz | aside from the recordmydesktop I did all the programming | Nov 28 20:17 |
schestowitz | Omar87: your friend's coming to Jordan. http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Jordan/257671 | Nov 28 20:18 |
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Ender2070 | I tried recordmydesktop on my laptop, brutal | Nov 28 20:19 |
Ender2070 | lol | Nov 28 20:19 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: My friend? | Nov 28 20:19 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: no sound? | Nov 28 20:20 |
schestowitz | Omar87: joke :-p | Nov 28 20:20 |
cubezzz | no microphone :) | Nov 28 20:20 |
schestowitz | I just stumbled upon it | Nov 28 20:20 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: ah, OK | Nov 28 20:20 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: See?? | Nov 28 20:21 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: That's EXACTLY what I keep telling people.. | Nov 28 20:21 |
schestowitz | Ender2070: yes, it works well | Nov 28 20:21 |
cubezzz | ls | Nov 28 20:21 |
cubezzz | oops | Nov 28 20:21 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: we need something that's a showcast of graphics | Nov 28 20:21 |
Ender2070 | not on my notebook | Nov 28 20:21 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: It's ALL about marketing [mass-hypnosis] to MicroSloth. | Nov 28 20:22 |
Ender2070 | encoding made it get very hot | Nov 28 20:22 |
schestowitz | Omar87: he's doing his arse-wiping visit | Nov 28 20:22 |
cubezzz | you don't like my sphere? | Nov 28 20:22 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: yeah! | Nov 28 20:22 |
schestowitz | "Big Rich Uncle from U.S.A. is coming to our country. We should all be THANKFUL! :-) " | Nov 28 20:22 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: and it's really disgusting. >< | Nov 28 20:22 |
schestowitz | Not for the hypnotised | Nov 28 20:23 |
schestowitz | People love leadership | Nov 28 20:23 |
schestowitz | Something about maternity | Nov 28 20:23 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: I'm starting to call it: "Techon-intellectual imperialism". | Nov 28 20:23 |
schestowitz | Offsprings trusting patents to survive... not running off a cliff | Nov 28 20:23 |
Omar87 | Techno-intellectual* | Nov 28 20:23 |
schestowitz | So they obey people who are iconified | Nov 28 20:23 |
schestowitz | The PR industry knows this | Nov 28 20:23 |
schestowitz | They exploit how the human mind works | Nov 28 20:24 |
schestowitz | So they show people images and let there be sounds they have people tied to all sorts of presidents and rich people who employ PR | Nov 28 20:24 |
schestowitz | The Nazis too learned this from US PR when it was invented | Nov 28 20:24 |
schestowitz | But they used it for evil purposes | Nov 28 20:24 |
schestowitz | They can also use it in reverse | Nov 28 20:24 |
schestowitz | Like in the 80s film, 1984 | Nov 28 20:25 |
schestowitz | Bush: "Either you're with us, or you are with the terrorists" | Nov 28 20:25 |
schestowitz | Anyway... | Nov 28 20:25 |
schestowitz | People think of faces | Nov 28 20:25 |
schestowitz | PR | Nov 28 20:25 |
schestowitz | Not of actions | Nov 28 20:25 |
schestowitz | And when people leave their mind in a jar, then it's troub;e | Nov 28 20:25 |
schestowitz | Cause they think about people, not events, ideas, and ethics | Nov 28 20:26 |
cubezzz | ok, who is using safari? :) | Nov 28 20:26 |
schestowitz | Omar87: and it's more like pseudo-intellectual too | Nov 28 20:26 |
MinceR | crApple cultists are | Nov 28 20:26 |
schestowitz | Pseudo-techno-'intellectual' colonialism | Nov 28 20:26 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: true. | Nov 28 20:26 |
schestowitz | We should love it /sarcasm | Nov 28 20:27 |
schestowitz | It's good for everyone | Nov 28 20:27 |
schestowitz | Neo-feudalsm | Nov 28 20:27 |
cubezzz | Ideas are the most important, but people are important too :) | Nov 28 20:27 |
schestowitz | One billiob Chinese to work 80 hours a week | Nov 28 20:27 |
schestowitz | For pittance | Nov 28 20:27 |
schestowitz | 95% of the rest being poor and increasingly worse off | Nov 28 20:27 |
schestowitz | But hey! It's a great syste | Nov 28 20:27 |
Ender2070 | didnt I mention that monsanto was patenting all the original seeds? | Nov 28 20:27 |
Omar87 | Or even implerialism (By war [patents] or consensus [mass-hypnosis]) | Nov 28 20:27 |
schestowitz | Cause it's great for the "important" people we see on the TV | Nov 28 20:27 |
schestowitz | All 0.01% of them | Nov 28 20:28 |
Ender2070 | I heard it on conspiracy-like radio years ago | Nov 28 20:28 |
schestowitz | And they are given even more over time | Nov 28 20:28 |
cubezzz | that's changing | Nov 28 20:28 |
cubezzz | with my awesome foss videos :) | Nov 28 20:28 |
schestowitz | Ender2070: sort of | Nov 28 20:28 |
schestowitz | They make false allegations | Nov 28 20:28 |
cubezzz | anyway I don't want to be on TV | Nov 28 20:28 |
schestowitz | And farmers cannot hire lawyers | Nov 28 20:28 |
schestowitz | So they come to your fields secretly | Nov 28 20:28 |
schestowitz | Then say you 'stole' their IP | Nov 28 20:29 |
schestowitz | Which basiclaly just passes as heredity | Nov 28 20:29 |
schestowitz | And then sue you | Nov 28 20:29 |
schestowitz | They sued thousands | Nov 28 20:29 |
schestowitz | The press did not report this properly | Nov 28 20:29 |
cubezzz | that's messed up | Nov 28 20:29 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: Pseodo-Techno-Intellectual implerialism (By war [patents] or consensus [mass-hypnosis]) | Nov 28 20:29 |
schestowitz | Sometimes they make millions this way | Nov 28 20:29 |
schestowitz | And they also patent existing stuff | Nov 28 20:29 |
schestowitz | But the idea is to saturate their DNA thorough cycles | Nov 28 20:29 |
schestowitz | *through | Nov 28 20:30 |
schestowitz | I.e. make everything out there 'theirs' | Nov 28 20:30 |
schestowitz | And they can have a global monopoly on all food this way | Nov 28 20:30 |
schestowitz | Food Inc. | Nov 28 20:30 |
schestowitz | Mission Accomploished | Nov 28 20:30 |
schestowitz | What bothers me is that they use criminal/celebs like Gates to market this by force | Nov 28 20:30 |
schestowitz | Gates is not cursing GMO critics and pushing for Monsanto in Africa and India | Nov 28 20:31 |
schestowitz | Omar87: find out if your country too got poisoned by Monsanto POISON DNA *and* poison 'IP' | Nov 28 20:31 |
schestowitz | The issue here is dual: | Nov 28 20:31 |
schestowitz | 1) the seeds are dangerous. We may not understand impact yet, but there is non natural selection as regulatory thing | Nov 28 20:32 |
schestowitz | 2) monopoly. Why make breeding a monopoly that passes through generations? | Nov 28 20:32 |
schestowitz | Monsanto is /seeding/ Africa with 'private' seeds, using Rockefeller and Gates, under Euphemisms like "Green revolution" and chairyt | Nov 28 20:33 |
schestowitz | They impose the same issues as debt for strangulation essentially | Nov 28 20:33 |
schestowitz | In Cuba or actually..... in many poor South American nations, you can give them debt they don't need and then push them around telling them what to do cause they owe you money | Nov 28 20:33 |
schestowitz | Few nations were not stupid enough to fall for it | Nov 28 20:34 |
schestowitz | Debt through world banks is similar to debt through imperialists like Monsanto | Nov 28 20:34 |
schestowitz | Seeds (IP) = debt | Nov 28 20:34 |
schestowitz | Crops become foreign property for generations to come | Nov 28 20:34 |
schestowitz | No way to get rid of it cause the genes spread themselves | Nov 28 20:34 |
schestowitz | Perfect SCAM. | Nov 28 20:34 |
schestowitz | BTW, The US still wants to invade Venezuela and steal their oil too | Nov 28 20:35 |
schestowitz | Rockefeller said this to a journo back in the days when he lines out a plan for Afghanistan (channel for oil), Iraq (2nd largest oil source), and huge oil producer in South America, currently owned by Chavez | Nov 28 20:36 |
schestowitz | Biden already daemonises Chavez | Nov 28 20:36 |
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schestowitz | Obama and those whom he serves (they funded him... billiobs) will sooner or later go for it | Nov 28 20:36 |
Mike | yeah | Nov 28 20:36 |
cubezzz | "ore than 4,500 farmers have committed suicide due largely to mounting debt caused by the poor yields," | Nov 28 20:36 |
cubezzz | More | Nov 28 20:36 |
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schestowitz | Mike: Venezuela | Nov 28 20:36 |
Guest67680 | Hi Roy, whats up | Nov 28 20:37 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, in India | Nov 28 20:37 |
Guest67680 | drinking acid | Nov 28 20:37 |
schestowitz | Monsanto=murder by suicide/debt | Nov 28 20:37 |
schestowitz | You can find reports about this in YouTube, official ones too | Nov 28 20:37 |
cubezzz | Monsanto sounds more evil than Gates | Nov 28 20:37 |
Guest67680 | Monsanto, don't they hold a lot of seed patents? | Nov 28 20:37 |
schestowitz | Guest67680: yes, they drink poison | Nov 28 20:37 |
Guest67680 | GM seeds? | Nov 28 20:37 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: it is | Nov 28 20:37 |
schestowitz | But he backs them | Nov 28 20:37 |
Guest67680 | they alwaysw do | Nov 28 20:38 |
cubezzz | pwd | Nov 28 20:38 |
cubezzz | doh | Nov 28 20:38 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/10/monsanto-making-microsoft-look-good.html | Nov 28 20:38 |
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schestowitz | That's recent, from Glyn Moody | Nov 28 20:38 |
Guest67680 | this is mike roy | Nov 28 20:38 |
schestowitz | Guest67680: yeah, I figured... | Nov 28 20:38 |
schestowitz | I actually used the spa and all today | Nov 28 20:38 |
Guest67680 | aspartame too | Nov 28 20:38 |
Guest67680 | stear well clear of it | Nov 28 20:39 |
Guest67680 | and the flu vaccine | Nov 28 20:39 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Uhh! the new #Creed album is an epic failure!! It's a real musical catastrophe!! | Nov 28 20:39 | |
Ender2070 | Canada already uses GMO foods, its scary | Nov 28 20:39 |
Guest67680 | how else will they get rid of the baby boomers? | Nov 28 20:39 |
Ender2070 | they didnt even bother telling us till it was going to happen to UK | Nov 28 20:39 |
Ender2070 | you'll notice the royal family gets to keep their farms and their organics while everyone else gets nutrient-stripped gmo's | Nov 28 20:40 |
Guest67680 | true | Nov 28 20:40 |
cubezzz | how to tell what is GMO food? | Nov 28 20:40 |
Ender2070 | cubezzz - anything not labeled "organic" in canada | Nov 28 20:41 |
schestowitz | New: http://www.ratio-magazine.com/200911261425/Kenya/Kenya-Gates-Foundation-and-Monsanto-to-Develop-Genetically-Modified-Seeds-for-Small-Farmers.html | Nov 28 20:41 |
Ender2070 | some of the stuff labeled can still be gmo too | Nov 28 20:41 |
Ender2070 | its hard to really know | Nov 28 20:41 |
MinceR | that's a stupid label | Nov 28 20:41 |
MinceR | almost all our food is organic | Nov 28 20:41 |
Ender2070 | yeah it just means it was grown without pesticide | Nov 28 20:41 |
MinceR | the only exceptions i can think of are water and salt | Nov 28 20:41 |
Guest67680 | and tuna | Nov 28 20:41 |
Guest67680 | roy:) | Nov 28 20:42 |
MinceR | tuna is organic | Nov 28 20:42 |
Ender2070 | the gmo foods even "look" better, cause they are designed that way | Nov 28 20:42 |
schestowitz | Preservatives are the issue | Nov 28 20:42 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] When third world countries rise up against techno-intellectual imperialism.. http://bit.ly/5cgy73 | Nov 28 20:43 | |
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Ender2070 | lol | Nov 28 20:43 |
schestowitz | Maybe tuna that's bred in land lakes is a mutant, who know? | Nov 28 20:43 |
Guest67680 | one think i never eat is microwable ready meals. | Nov 28 20:43 |
schestowitz | *knows | Nov 28 20:43 |
Ender2070 | organic is a funny label, so many people use it redundantly | Nov 28 20:43 |
Ender2070 | and why cant you genetically engineer a fish? | Nov 28 20:43 |
cubezzz | all food is organic though | Nov 28 20:43 |
schestowitz | Guest67680: same here | Nov 28 20:44 |
cubezzz | even Doritos :) | Nov 28 20:44 |
schestowitz | Ender2070: it should be reversed | Nov 28 20:44 |
schestowitz | GMO food should all be labeled | Nov 28 20:44 |
schestowitz | The rest should not | Nov 28 20:44 |
Ender2070 | it would be easier to label those that arent | Nov 28 20:44 |
Ender2070 | cause most are | Nov 28 20:44 |
Guest67680 | Male infertility caused by leaching of phalates from plastic encased food, or even worse food cooked in plastic (ughh) in a microwave is a real problem | Nov 28 20:44 |
Ender2070 | at least in canada | Nov 28 20:44 |
schestowitz | There's the "dolphin-safe" thing too... also ridiculed and abused | Nov 28 20:44 |
schestowitz | Guest67680: they fake studies on it | Nov 28 20:45 |
Ender2070 | Guest67680 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A | Nov 28 20:45 |
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Guest67680 | microwaves were banned in Russia, and a few scandinavian countries | Nov 28 20:45 |
schestowitz | Like using pregnant cows and saturating experiments with them to show high fertility | Nov 28 20:45 |
schestowitz | Not double-blinded, one major hoax | Nov 28 20:45 |
schestowitz | Guest67680: not just Sweden? | Nov 28 20:45 |
Guest67680 | the ban was lifted in the early nineties | Nov 28 20:46 |
Ender2070 | Guest67680 - and you're refering to Xenoestrogen | Nov 28 20:46 |
schestowitz | Plasma TVs are off the menu in the EU soon | Nov 28 20:46 |
Guest67680 | i dont use a microwave or cook food in plastic | Nov 28 20:46 |
Ender2070 | Xenoestrogen is what makes males efeminate | Nov 28 20:46 |
Guest67680 | and the x factor:) | Nov 28 20:46 |
Guest67680 | or listening to take that:) | Nov 28 20:47 |
Guest67680 | there does seem to be a merging of the genders | Nov 28 20:47 |
Ender2070 | http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/securit/packag-emball/bpa/bpa_survey-enquete-can-eng.php | Nov 28 20:47 |
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Guest67680 | to me at least, women seem to be becoming more masculine and vice versa | Nov 28 20:48 |
Ender2070 | I think they might be attempting to make everyone gay for population control | Nov 28 20:48 |
Ender2070 | chemically | Nov 28 20:48 |
Guest67680 | i wonder if it is the diet | Nov 28 20:48 |
Guest67680 | or am i imagining it? | Nov 28 20:48 |
Guest67680 | most of the saturday night uk tv viewing is feminised now | Nov 28 20:48 |
Guest67680 | strictly come dancing, and singing/dancing competitions | Nov 28 20:49 |
Ender2070 | they make men look like total retards/dumbasses on tv | Nov 28 20:49 |
Guest67680 | men don't seem to grumble enough | Nov 28 20:49 |
Guest67680 | there would have been a riot in the masculine forties:) | Nov 28 20:49 |
Ender2070 | its all the flouride | Nov 28 20:49 |
Ender2070 | got it in the water in canada | Nov 28 20:50 |
Guest67680 | yes men seem to be portrayed as imbeciles on tv most of the time. it is all wrong | Nov 28 20:50 |
Guest67680 | girl power is basically sexism. | Nov 28 20:50 |
Ender2070 | feminism is sexist | Nov 28 20:51 |
Ender2070 | ? | Nov 28 20:51 |
Guest67680 | too true | Nov 28 20:51 |
schestowitz | Guest67680: that's true in the Simpsons | Nov 28 20:51 |
Ender2070 | some feminists can be sexist | Nov 28 20:51 |
Guest67680 | male bashing | Nov 28 20:51 |
Ender2070 | yeah | Nov 28 20:51 |
Guest67680 | why do they get to retire at 60 anyway, and we have to work till were 65? | Nov 28 20:51 |
schestowitz | Guest67680: to be fair, there's woman bashing too | Nov 28 20:52 |
schestowitz | IOW, a similar claim can be made about men if you think about it | Nov 28 20:52 |
Guest67680 | i don't know | Nov 28 20:52 |
schestowitz | Guest67680: cause they live longer..... oh, wait. | Nov 28 20:52 |
Guest67680 | lol | Nov 28 20:52 |
schestowitz | Overall, they may work as much cause there are more men than women | Nov 28 20:53 |
Guest67680 | Where i live a live a lot of the young girls are bright orange, with bleach blonde hair, and all they want is your house:) | Nov 28 20:53 |
schestowitz | Maybe not in China, but here anyway | Nov 28 20:53 |
schestowitz | Longevity and wars | Nov 28 20:53 |
schestowitz | Guest67680: wait... I got a video fot you. | Nov 28 20:54 |
schestowitz | *for | Nov 28 20:54 |
schestowitz | x-factor cult | Nov 28 20:54 |
Ender2070 | yeah there is a lot of woman bashing | Nov 28 20:54 |
Ender2070 | theres bashing on both sides | Nov 28 20:54 |
Guest67680 | yes | Nov 28 20:55 |
Guest67680 | but i am sick of dancing and singing programmes | Nov 28 20:55 |
Ender2070 | lol | Nov 28 20:55 |
Guest67680 | they are for small girls | Nov 28 20:55 |
Ender2070 | i couldnt stand watching disney movies | Nov 28 20:55 |
cubezzz | DrOz, DrPhil :) | Nov 28 20:55 |
Guest67680 | it says a lot that there is a demand for these programmes | Nov 28 20:56 |
Guest67680 | Are we becoming consumerised half wits? | Nov 28 20:57 |
Ender2070 | becoming? | Nov 28 20:58 |
cubezzz | no | Nov 28 20:58 |
Ender2070 | LOL | Nov 28 20:58 |
Ender2070 | most people are | Nov 28 20:58 |
Guest67680 | yes i nknow it happened a long time ago | Nov 28 20:58 |
Guest67680 | i blame the ego | Nov 28 20:59 |
Ender2070 | half wit might be too generous | Nov 28 20:59 |
Guest67680 | mankind is going through a mass psychosis. | Nov 28 20:59 |
Ender2070 | the world is psychopathic | Nov 28 21:00 |
Guest67680 | This is the century of the self as Freud said. | Nov 28 21:00 |
Ender2070 | +1 | Nov 28 21:00 |
schestowitz | Guest67680: http://crazationsok.blogspot.com/2009/11/new-world-order-fan-club.html | Nov 28 21:00 |
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schestowitz | Funny one. | Nov 28 21:00 |
Ender2070 | You listen to Michael Tsarion? | Nov 28 21:00 |
schestowitz | X-Factor cultists questioned | Nov 28 21:00 |
schestowitz | Guest67680: broadcasting versus peer | Nov 28 21:01 |
schestowitz | Meaning that people know the "guy on telly" better than the next-door neighbour | Nov 28 21:02 |
schestowitz | It takes two sociable beings to communicate as friends | Nov 28 21:02 |
schestowitz | But people are too busy accumulating belongings :-) | Nov 28 21:02 |
Guest67680 | Facebook seems to be a vehicle for vain self publication, superficial friendships and social engineering for the acceptance of losing your privacy. | Nov 28 21:03 |
Ender2070 | Facebook is trouble in canada for its lack of privacy protection | Nov 28 21:04 |
Ender2070 | the federal government is going after it | Nov 28 21:04 |
Guest67680 | I know a guy who sits near me he has over 400 friends on facebook, but he is dull as dishwater. | Nov 28 21:04 |
Guest67680 | Its like a popularity contest | Nov 28 21:04 |
Ender2070 | http://www.bloggernews.net/117202 | Nov 28 21:04 |
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Ender2070 | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_to_address_privacy_concerns_in_canada.php | Nov 28 21:05 |
cubezzz | yeah facebook isn't very good | Nov 28 21:05 |
Ender2070 | wrong link above | Nov 28 21:05 |
Ender2070 | " The complaint raised concerns about "default privacy settings, collection and use of users' personal information for advertising purposes, disclosure of users' personal information to third-party application developers, and collection and use of non-users' personal information." The company was given 30 days to comply with recommendations and if Stoddard is not satisfied with Facebook's response she can go to the | Nov 28 21:06 |
Ender2070 | Federal Courts for enforcement. Today is Facebook's deadline." | Nov 28 21:06 |
Guest67680 | I hope they shut it down, then people will have to parade around like peacocks somewhere else. | Nov 28 21:06 |
Ender2070 | lol | Nov 28 21:07 |
Guest67680 | Saying that the internet is probably the best place for it | Nov 28 21:07 |
Ender2070 | I tell people that likely every application they installed on facebook is spying on them , nobody cares | Nov 28 21:07 |
Ender2070 | a lot of spyware wrapped in surveys and quizzes | Nov 28 21:08 |
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Guest67680 | Oh look look everybody! here's a photo of me taking my sock off! | Nov 28 21:08 |
Guest67680 | and eating cheese! | Nov 28 21:09 |
Guest67680 | Aren't i great! | Nov 28 21:09 |
Ender2070 | Oh look look everybody! here's 200 photos of me in the same pose with slightly different facial expressions! | Nov 28 21:09 |
schestowitz | [21:03] <Guest67680> Facebook seems to be a vehicle for vain self publication, superficial friendships and social engineering for the acceptance of losing your privacy. | Nov 28 21:09 |
schestowitz | Yes | Nov 28 21:09 |
schestowitz | Exactly | Nov 28 21:09 |
schestowitz | I spoke about this with my mom for like an hour | Nov 28 21:09 |
schestowitz | They have a DB | Nov 28 21:09 |
schestowitz | Like thousands of sites like them | Nov 28 21:09 |
Ender2070 | if you unregister from facebook, they still have your info | Nov 28 21:10 |
Guest67680 | Oh and did i tell you by the way, here is a photo of my cousin, he is a lawyer, lives in london, and he can swim like a fish! | Nov 28 21:10 |
schestowitz | WHat people do to 'make friends' is change some binary flag (not really) in some DB someone else owns | Nov 28 21:10 |
Ender2070 | What kind of pirate are you? Take this test and find out! | Nov 28 21:10 |
schestowitz | It makes degrees of connectivity easier | Nov 28 21:10 |
Ender2070 | Spam your friends and get more $$$ in our game! | Nov 28 21:10 |
schestowitz | For invetigators | Nov 28 21:10 |
schestowitz | MI5 can have fun with tools like this http://news.muckety.com/ but for real people | Nov 28 21:11 |
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schestowitz | [21:04] <Guest67680> I know a guy who sits near me he has over 400 friends on facebook, but he is dull as dishwater. | Nov 28 21:11 |
Ender2070 | zomg | Nov 28 21:11 |
Ender2070 | thats a wicked tool | Nov 28 21:12 |
schestowitz | There are criminal-esque agencies selling 'friends' or equiv. | Nov 28 21:12 |
schestowitz | They are friend-harvesting | Nov 28 21:12 |
schestowitz | Basically making money from messing about wirh DBs | Nov 28 21:12 |
schestowitz | ANd people's idea of perceived value in those arbitrary DBs that lose interest after a while drives them to paying, like they go to a hooker | Nov 28 21:12 |
cubezzz | the different is we know about the bad stuff now, where before we had no idea | Nov 28 21:13 |
Guest67680 | I will be in the midland in the morning roy, what time are you due in | Nov 28 21:14 |
schestowitz | Ender2070: yesterday someone mailed me about this http://mapper.nndb.com/start/?id=22625 | Nov 28 21:15 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: NNDB Mapper .::. Size~: 2.35 KB | Nov 28 21:15 |
schestowitz | It's kind of UK-oriented though | Nov 28 21:15 |
schestowitz | But, wait.. does anything prevent people from doing the same thing with Facebook APIs? | Nov 28 21:15 |
schestowitz | I guess not | Nov 28 21:15 |
schestowitz | I've used Facebook to expose people's cronyism | Nov 28 21:15 |
schestowitz | So from certain angles it can be useful | Nov 28 21:15 |
cubezzz | does facebook run off apache or windows server? | Nov 28 21:15 |
schestowitz | Guest67680: 12? | Nov 28 21:16 |
schestowitz | [21:16] <Guest67680> You coming gym in morning, i will be running then weights. | Nov 28 21:16 |
schestowitz | Yeah, 12 | Nov 28 21:16 |
schestowitz | Don't use PM please | Nov 28 21:16 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: LAMP | Nov 28 21:16 |
Guest67680 | i normally go earlier, so i have the rest of the day to study, how about 10 for you? | Nov 28 21:16 |
schestowitz | They are just close to Microsoft though | Nov 28 21:16 |
schestowitz | Zuckenflop is mates with patent troll Nathan and Mundie, IIRC | Nov 28 21:17 |
schestowitz | Or Ozzie rather | Nov 28 21:17 |
schestowitz | Mundie is mates with lobbyists and all sort of evil people.... oh, and he attends Bilderberg | Nov 28 21:17 |
Guest67680 | Will they ever invent a drug which will suppress our ego's, i wonder. | Nov 28 21:18 |
Guest67680 | i'll be in at 10, cheerio | Nov 28 21:20 |
schestowitz | 10 is good | Nov 28 21:20 |
schestowitz | Drug industry is another... | Nov 28 21:21 |
schestowitz | anti-depressants | Nov 28 21:21 |
schestowitz | more harm than good... | Nov 28 21:21 |
Guest67680 | medicalising bad bahaviour/parenting in children, its all a cop out. | Nov 28 21:22 |
Guest67680 | Nobody wants to take responsibility so they say its a disease!? | Nov 28 21:22 |
Guest67680 | and big pharma lines its pockets yet again | Nov 28 21:23 |
Guest67680 | another generation of drug dependent customers | Nov 28 21:24 |
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schestowitz | [21:22] <Guest67680> Nobody wants to take responsibility so they say its a disease!? | Nov 28 21:25 |
schestowitz | yes | Nov 28 21:25 |
schestowitz | Non-conformity as illness | Nov 28 21:25 |
schestowitz | Let me show you a vid.... | Nov 28 21:25 |
schestowitz | Here, Guest67680 | Nov 28 21:27 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McPnMQ31W_k | Nov 28 21:27 |
schestowitz | " | Nov 28 21:27 |
schestowitz | This Clip shows the how R.D. Laing and the Anti Psychiatry movement attacked the Psychiatric and Medical establishment in the United States. Laing argued that Madness and Sanity were only convenient labels used by society to exercise control over people. It also shows how his ideas then influenced another psychologist David Rosenhan to conduct an experiment that would later seriously undermine psychiatric practice at the time. | Nov 28 21:27 |
schestowitz | Ps. These clips are taken from a British documentary series called The Trap:What happened to our dreams of Freedom. The series are created by Adam Curtis a British documentary film maker. I can strongly recommend just about every documentary he has ever made. For Freudian psychology and its influence on consumer culture see The century of the self and for contemporary politics and the War on Terror see The power of nightmares. Both | Nov 28 21:27 |
schestowitz | are brilliant, History of ideas at it's finest. | Nov 28 21:27 |
schestowitz | " | Nov 28 21:27 |
Guest67680 | i know it was me that recommended century of the self to you | Nov 28 21:28 |
Guest67680 | its good isn't it | Nov 28 21:28 |
yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/26/power-bloggers-vista-7/ | Nov 28 21:28 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Feeds Hundreds of Korean Bloggers to Promote Vista 7 | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 120 KB | Nov 28 21:28 |
yuhong | Was that really a bribe? | Nov 28 21:28 |
Guest67680 | i am watching it now, will report back later, bye roy | Nov 28 21:29 |
schestowitz | Guest67680: yes, I passed it around | Nov 28 21:29 |
schestowitz | yuhong: yes | Nov 28 21:29 |
yuhong | Evidence? | Nov 28 21:29 |
schestowitz | Bribe is not always a green piece of paper under table | Nov 28 21:29 |
schestowitz | Call it "incentive" if you like | Nov 28 21:29 |
schestowitz | Briberies are commonplace | Nov 28 21:30 |
yuhong | Yep. | Nov 28 21:30 |
schestowitz | They just don't all get labeled that | Nov 28 21:30 |
schestowitz | AstroTurfing too | Nov 28 21:30 |
schestowitz | Fake fanbases | Nov 28 21:30 |
yuhong | I know. | Nov 28 21:30 |
yuhong | But looks like what happened was that MS hosted a launch event on 7 in Korea. | Nov 28 21:30 |
schestowitz | If I offer you anything to do something you would exaggerate then it's a bribe | Nov 28 21:30 |
schestowitz | Microsoft does that at a massive scale | Nov 28 21:30 |
Ender2070 | "MS prepared light dinner meal and Windows 7 Ultimate (Eng Ver.) for all the attendances. " | Nov 28 21:30 |
schestowitz | Huge budget | Nov 28 21:30 |
Ender2070 | sounds like bribery to me | Nov 28 21:30 |
schestowitz | Initially half a million green ones for the rebranded Vista (7) | Nov 28 21:31 |
cubezzz | did they all get windows 7 whoppers? :) | Nov 28 21:31 |
schestowitz | The "Real Mojave/: | Nov 28 21:31 |
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cubezzz | "bloated and massive, just like the OS" | Nov 28 21:31 |
yuhong | I would not go that far. | Nov 28 21:31 |
schestowitz | You always say that! | Nov 28 21:31 |
yuhong | I do. | Nov 28 21:31 |
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Ender2070 | I would go as far as saying, perhaps all their launch events contain bribery? | Nov 28 21:32 |
schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com++I+would+not+go+that+far.&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Nov 28 21:32 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: site:boycottnovell.com I would not go that far. - Google Search .::. Size~: 25.69 KB | Nov 28 21:32 |
yuhong | Look at the changes in 7 compared to Vista, and it is not limited to the UI either. | Nov 28 21:32 |
yuhong | It is far from it. | Nov 28 21:32 |
Ender2070 | giving someone something for free which you sell for $300 retail isnt a bribe? | Nov 28 21:33 |
yuhong | I think it was a reward for attending the launch event. | Nov 28 21:33 |
Ender2070 | reward | Nov 28 21:33 |
Ender2070 | keyword | Nov 28 21:33 |
schestowitz | Hehehe | Nov 28 21:33 |
schestowitz | "Incentive" | Nov 28 21:33 |
yuhong | Yep. | Nov 28 21:33 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | Nov 28 21:33 |
schestowitz | Euphemisms... | Nov 28 21:34 |
yuhong | Yep. | Nov 28 21:34 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/28/bribery-or-marketing-help/ | Nov 28 21:34 |
Ender2070 | if its not bribery, its a ploy to push their installed base statistics | Nov 28 21:34 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Its Not Bribery If Its Just “Marketing Help” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 137.04 KB | Nov 28 21:34 |
yuhong | I know. | Nov 28 21:34 |
schestowitz | Microsoft should be ashamed of itself, deeply ashamed | Nov 28 21:35 |
yuhong | Yep. | Nov 28 21:35 |
cubezzz | a lot of guys left | Nov 28 21:35 |
cubezzz | it's not the mecca for tech anymore | Nov 28 21:35 |
schestowitz | Luckily for them, there are enough stupid people out there to only be exposed to their lying taking points | Nov 28 21:35 |
yuhong | I know, even Scoble left around the time of Vista. | Nov 28 21:35 |
schestowitz | He's useless | Nov 28 21:35 |
schestowitz | He was just a shill or them | Nov 28 21:35 |
schestowitz | He didn't code | Nov 28 21:35 |
schestowitz | A marketing puppet | Nov 28 21:35 |
schestowitz | Like Don Dodge | Nov 28 21:36 |
schestowitz | "Buy me food to AstroTurf for you" | Nov 28 21:36 |
schestowitz | And Google bit | Nov 28 21:36 |
MinceR | when was it the mecca for tech? | Nov 28 21:36 |
yuhong | I would not call it useless. | Nov 28 21:36 |
MinceR | when did they have anything but marketroids and lawyers? | Nov 28 21:36 |
schestowitz | It's like one of those "adopt a <animal>" programme | Nov 28 21:36 |
schestowitz | They buy themselves bloggers to become advertisers | Nov 28 21:37 |
schestowitz | Recall the "people ready" fiasco | Nov 28 21:37 |
schestowitz | When Microsoft bribes some more bloggers to pretend to be recommending Microsoft | Nov 28 21:37 |
schestowitz | And later they wonder why people don't trust them | Nov 28 21:37 |
schestowitz | They corrupt bloggers too now, not just mainstream media | Nov 28 21:37 |
yuhong | Now of course Scoble is far from useless. | Nov 28 21:37 |
yuhong | I know. | Nov 28 21:37 |
schestowitz | And a fine example are those 700 Korean bloggers | Nov 28 21:37 |
schestowitz | Don'\t try to defend them | Nov 28 21:38 |
schestowitz | It makes you look bad | Nov 28 21:38 |
yuhong | I was just going to say something about FTC's recent regulations encouraging MS to use Korean bloggers, unless I investigated further. | Nov 28 21:39 |
Ender2070 | schestowitz - http://mapper.nndb.com/start/?id=22625 something like this would be pretty decent for mapping out team mono and its supporters | Nov 28 21:39 |
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yuhong | I mean, why do you think they used Korean instead of US bloggers. | Nov 28 21:40 |
yuhong | Clue: look at the recent FTC regulations on gifts to bloggers. | Nov 28 21:41 |
schestowitz | Naa.., Microsoft disregards the law anyway | Nov 28 21:41 |
schestowitz | It sees it as fascism | Nov 28 21:41 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/27/bill-gates-on-fascist-lawsuits/ | Nov 28 21:41 |
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cubezzz | found an exporter selling the lemote | Nov 28 21:42 |
Ender2070 | cubezzz- sweet | Nov 28 21:42 |
cubezzz | http://www.tekmote.nl | Nov 28 21:42 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Tekmote Electronics .::. Size~: 30.22 KB | Nov 28 21:42 |
yuhong | I know. | Nov 28 21:42 |
Ender2070 | english: http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/en_GB/?ViewObjectID=935271 | Nov 28 21:42 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Tekmote Electronics .::. Size~: 29.97 KB | Nov 28 21:42 |
cubezzz | how much is 215 euros in Canadian? | Nov 28 21:43 |
Ender2070 | kind of expensive though | Nov 28 21:43 |
Ender2070 | http://www.xe.com/ucc/ | Nov 28 21:43 |
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Ender2070 | $341 | Nov 28 21:44 |
cubezzz | not _too_ bad | Nov 28 21:44 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: nice! | Nov 28 21:45 |
Ender2070 | doesnt dell have ubuntu 10v's cheaper though | Nov 28 21:45 |
schestowitz | It's not just about price | Nov 28 21:45 |
cubezzz | how much are 10v's? | Nov 28 21:45 |
schestowitz | You could buy Windows for $5 or get it for free (gratis) | Nov 28 21:46 |
schestowitz | It doesn't make it recommendable | Nov 28 21:46 |
cubezzz | yeah that's not the issue | Nov 28 21:46 |
cubezzz | it's not the 5 bucks :) | Nov 28 21:46 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: http://blogs.computerworld.com/15155/making_wise_black_friday_pc_sales | Nov 28 21:46 |
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schestowitz | "As for Linux, there's not a lot to pick from, I had one deal I liked a lot, a Dell's Vostro A90 Netbook for $184. This is a nice netbook that comes with Ubuntu Linux, but it appears that they're already sold out. Sigh." | Nov 28 21:46 |
Ender2070 | http://www1.ca.dell.com/ca/en/business/Laptops/laptop-vostro-a90/pd.aspx?refid=laptop-vostro-a90&s=bsd&cs=cabsdt1 | Nov 28 21:46 |
schestowitz | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/dell_releases_customized_version_of_chrome_os.php | Nov 28 21:46 |
schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/183318/dell_offers_custom_chromium_os_download_for_mini_10v.html | Nov 28 21:46 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dell Offers Custom Chromium OS Download For Mini 10V - PC World .::. Size~: 75.47 KB | Nov 28 21:46 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: new: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Dell-Customizes-Chrome-OS-For-The-Dell-Mini-10v-510639/ | Nov 28 21:46 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Dell Customizes Chrome OS For The Dell Mini 10v .::. Size~: 123.86 KB | Nov 28 21:46 |
cubezzz | yes, I know about the $184 Vostros | Nov 28 21:47 |
Ender2070 | I don't mind dell's linux offerings | Nov 28 21:47 |
cubezzz | they are far more in Canada | Nov 28 21:47 |
Ender2070 | yeah | Nov 28 21:47 |
Ender2070 | they dont have ubuntu 10v's in canada either | Nov 28 21:47 |
cubezzz | I wanted a ARM box | Nov 28 21:47 |
cubezzz | still looking | Nov 28 21:47 |
Ender2070 | I always finance stuff from dell | Nov 28 21:48 |
Ender2070 | which is why i like them | Nov 28 21:48 |
Ender2070 | if i had to pay up front i wouldn't own a laptop | Nov 28 21:48 |
cubezzz | haven't heard from SVN in a while | Nov 28 21:48 |
cubezzz | see, there's no ARM based stuff really | Nov 28 21:49 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: Will I like Mandriva One KDE 4 is the question, well i'll find out in a bit, I am downloading the packages | Nov 28 21:49 |
sebsebseb | Mandriva 2010 :) | Nov 28 21:49 |
yuhong | I just wrote a comment on the difference between web applications and desktop applications. | Nov 28 21:49 |
yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/18/vista-7-trojans-forecast/comment-page-1/#comment-76223 | Nov 28 21:49 |
Ender2070 | im grabbing fedora rawhide | Nov 28 21:49 |
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Ender2070 | Current: Rawhide(F13): kde-4.3.75/qt-4.6.0-rc1 | Nov 28 21:49 |
sebsebseb | Ender2070: I haven't been a KDE fan | Nov 28 21:50 |
sebsebseb | KDE 4 fan | Nov 28 21:50 |
sebsebseb | just like with KDE 3, I would run a few KDE apps in Gnome | Nov 28 21:50 |
sebsebseb | got rid of Ubuntu 9.10 recently and put Mandriva on instead :) | Nov 28 21:50 |
sebsebseb | and been running with Gnome | Nov 28 21:50 |
schestowitz | Watch this headline http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/22/kindle-ereader-amazon-intelligent-investing-microsoft.html try to guess what it's about? Consumerism!!! Kinder, gentler. | Nov 28 21:50 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: A Kindle, Gentler Nation - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 32.22 KB | Nov 28 21:50 |
Ender2070 | im not a gnome fan anymore | Nov 28 21:50 |
cubezzz | Mini 10v is Intel Atom | Nov 28 21:50 |
Ender2070 | I got tired of their "its too hard to fix lets just remove it for usability" stance | Nov 28 21:50 |
sebsebseb | Ender2070: yeah Gnome is getting a bit hmm as well | Nov 28 21:50 |
sebsebseb | Ender2070: for example how, in Fedora 12 and Ubuntu 9.10, there aren't any icons in the system menu | Nov 28 21:51 |
*cubezzz tries everything | Nov 28 21:51 | |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: good, Mandriva is worth supporting | Nov 28 21:51 |
schestowitz | As one person put it when I chatted, "we should put our weight being Mandriva as flag carrier" | Nov 28 21:51 |
schestowitz | Not Ubuntu | Nov 28 21:51 |
schestowitz | Not exact quote, either | Nov 28 21:51 |
sebsebseb | Ender2070: also connect to server or whatever and something else is missing icon | Nov 28 21:51 |
cubezzz | schestowitz, what about Fedora? | Nov 28 21:51 |
sebsebseb | Mandriva has icons for all that though at the moment :) | Nov 28 21:51 |
Ender2070 | sebsebseb - thats "usability instead of fixing" | Nov 28 21:52 |
sebsebseb | Ender2070: meaning? | Nov 28 21:52 |
Ender2070 | sebsebseb - they couldnt agree on what to do about icons so they just removed them | Nov 28 21:52 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: it got good reviews | Nov 28 21:52 |
sebsebseb | upstream Gnome? | Nov 28 21:52 |
schestowitz | Much better than ever | Nov 28 21:52 |
Ender2070 | yes | Nov 28 21:52 |
cubezzz | High end Lemote looks pretty nice | Nov 28 21:52 |
sebsebseb | Ender2070: I think that's stupid what's been done | Nov 28 21:53 |
schestowitz | Sign od matureity for Linux as a whole | Nov 28 21:53 |
sebsebseb | maybe Mandriva did as well, hence the icons :) | Nov 28 21:53 |
schestowitz | *of | Nov 28 21:53 |
cubezzz | Lemote is even Stallman approved, and you know that's not easy :) | Nov 28 21:53 |
Ender2070 | http://www.osnews.com/story/21935/GNOME_To_Drop_Icons_in_Buttons_Menus | Nov 28 21:53 |
schestowitz | Yes | Nov 28 21:53 |
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schestowitz | Chinese making chips for China | Nov 28 21:53 |
schestowitz | Not for exploiters, IMHO | Nov 28 21:53 |
schestowitz | China needs more local companies | Nov 28 21:53 |
schestowitz | They need to run their own shops | Nov 28 21:53 |
sebsebseb | Gnome new GDM 2 is uhmm well in Ubuntu 9.10 anyway, it's ok in Fedora 12 and 11. can't be themed like the old one though | Nov 28 21:53 |
schestowitz | Not have it outsouced | Nov 28 21:53 |
schestowitz | Like Foxconn doing Dell's dirty laundry | Nov 28 21:54 |
schestowitz | And the same goes for Apple BTW | Nov 28 21:54 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: I know your a Mandriva fan, but why do you think Mandriva is a good one to support? | Nov 28 21:54 |
Ender2070 | I think Fedora is probably a good distro to support | Nov 28 21:54 |
Ender2070 | not mandriva | Nov 28 21:54 |
schestowitz | Ender2070: Mandriva is desktop-focused | Nov 28 21:54 |
sebsebseb | these Mandriva commands seem odd to me still, but that's since I am used to sudo apt-get install and sudo aptitude install and stuff like that | Nov 28 21:54 |
schestowitz | it concentrated on ease and integration | Nov 28 21:54 |
Ender2070 | fedora is desktop focused | Nov 28 21:54 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu is too Mono- and GNOME-chummy | Nov 28 21:55 |
Ender2070 | mandriva also includes a lot of proprietary stuff | Nov 28 21:55 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: GNOME chummy what do you mean? | Nov 28 21:55 |
schestowitz | And Ubuntu has other deficiencies and people complained about 9.10 | Nov 28 21:55 |
Ender2070 | my list | Nov 28 21:55 |
schestowitz | Red Hat has enough ego from its server market | Nov 28 21:55 |
schestowitz | It would not be good if it also controlled desktop as de facto leader | Nov 28 21:55 |
cubezzz | there's no perfect OS | Nov 28 21:56 |
Ender2070 | Fedora > Kubuntu > OpenSuSE | Nov 28 21:56 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: indeed | Nov 28 21:56 |
schestowitz | Separation of power is also why IBM helped Novell buy SuSE | Nov 28 21:56 |
cubezzz | but with FOSS at least you can change stuff | Nov 28 21:56 |
schestowitz | LEt Red Hat and Novell compete on price | Nov 28 21:56 |
sebsebseb | yep and with virtual machines you can mix OS's together | Nov 28 21:56 |
sebsebseb | :) | Nov 28 21:56 |
schestowitz | It also makes it cheaper for IBM to buy server s/w | Nov 28 21:56 |
Ender2070 | red hat doesn't control the fedora community, they will do whatever they want for desktop linux | Nov 28 21:57 |
cubezzz | tekmote even take paypal, tempting | Nov 28 21:57 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: Ubuntu is to GNOME chummy? meaning? | Nov 28 21:57 |
Ender2070 | fedora excludes non free software, doesn't even support mp3s | Nov 28 21:58 |
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cubezzz | I've used a ton of different operating systems... | Nov 28 21:58 |
cubezzz | and I keep liking Fedora | Nov 28 21:58 |
sebsebseb | I am Manriva for now, but I will probably put Ubuntu 10.04 on this computer after it's been released, but that will mean getting rid of Mandriva, but then I might end up putting Mandriva back on | Nov 28 21:58 |
Ender2070 | same | Nov 28 21:58 |
Ender2070 | and I like the KDE SIG | Nov 28 21:58 |
sebsebseb | I started with Fedora and no Internet access since this stupid wireless device... | Nov 28 21:59 |
sebsebseb | ,but even offline | Nov 28 21:59 |
Ender2070 | wireless is bad | Nov 28 21:59 |
cubezzz | wires are good! :) | Nov 28 21:59 |
sebsebseb | Fedora Core 2 and 4 were rather nice OS's | Nov 28 21:59 |
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sebsebseb | yeah well that computer got hard wired later on, and I went Ubuntu :) | Nov 28 21:59 |
Ender2070 | Fedora for the longest time enforced that kernel option which won't let tainted modules run | Nov 28 22:00 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: I mean, Ubuntu gravitates towards some Microsoft/Novell trojans, but that's changing | Nov 28 22:01 |
cubezzz | LFS seems to have died | Nov 28 22:01 |
schestowitz | Now OpenSUSE moves to KDE4, so I assume Novell also rethinks its cards | Nov 28 22:01 |
schestowitz | And Mandriva does the same codec game as Canonical. They have some compromises as well. | Nov 28 22:01 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, almost | Nov 28 22:02 |
schestowitz | They don't make many releases | Nov 28 22:02 |
Ender2070 | fedora doesnt play the codec game | Nov 28 22:02 |
schestowitz | But made a recent one | Nov 28 22:02 |
schestowitz | It's not deaf | Nov 28 22:02 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: codec game??? | Nov 28 22:02 |
Ender2070 | thats the good point | Nov 28 22:02 |
schestowitz | *Dead | Nov 28 22:02 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: spreading patented codecs, Mandriva sells some, Canonical too, for Remix | Nov 28 22:02 |
cubezzz | ah ok | Nov 28 22:02 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: from August 2009: | Nov 28 22:03 |
schestowitz | Linux from Scratch 6.5: The DIY operating system guide | Nov 28 22:03 |
schestowitz | ,----[ Quote ] | Nov 28 22:03 |
schestowitz | | The Linux From Scratch project has released version 6.5 of its step-by-step | Nov 28 22:03 |
schestowitz | | instructions on how to create your own Linux system from scratch. The 300 | Nov 28 22:03 |
schestowitz | | pages of instructions show how to obtain the source code components and then | Nov 28 22:03 |
schestowitz | | compile your own 32-bit Linux system. | Nov 28 22:03 |
schestowitz | `---- | Nov 28 22:03 |
schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/Linux-from-Scratch-6-5-The-DIY-operating-system-guide--/news/114017 | Nov 28 22:03 |
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Ender2070 | LFS is annoying to be honest | Nov 28 22:03 |
MinceR | how so? | Nov 28 22:03 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: uhmm not sure what you mean, but Canonical offer some commercial software in their online shop | Nov 28 22:03 |
Ender2070 | manually getting the packages sucks | Nov 28 22:04 |
Ender2070 | i prefer portage at least | Nov 28 22:04 |
Ender2070 | (gentoo) | Nov 28 22:04 |
cubezzz | tinycore :) | Nov 28 22:05 |
Ender2070 | tinycore is nice | Nov 28 22:05 |
Ender2070 | but useless without gcc imo | Nov 28 22:05 |
cubezzz | you can add gcc to it | Nov 28 22:06 |
Ender2070 | but then its no longer tiny | Nov 28 22:06 |
Ender2070 | lol | Nov 28 22:06 |
yuhong | On codecs, from http://blog.canonical.com/?p=151: | Nov 28 22:06 |
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yuhong | "What makes a real difference to return rates is not whether it’s Linux or not, but the quality of the device’s hardware and the ability to fully partake in web and media experiences, such as: | Nov 28 22:06 |
yuhong | *Adobe Flash player being pre-installed | Nov 28 22:06 |
yuhong | * Basic media codecs being pre-installed (these add a few dollars to the cost of a PC)" | Nov 28 22:06 |
yuhong | I think the real solution is to spread open media formats. | Nov 28 22:07 |
Ender2070 | +1 | Nov 28 22:07 |
Ender2070 | google chrome might cause flash to be replaced with html5 | Nov 28 22:08 |
Ender2070 | they made a big deal about that | Nov 28 22:08 |
Ender2070 | chrome os | Nov 28 22:08 |
yuhong | I know. | Nov 28 22:08 |
Ender2070 | like i said months ago | Nov 28 22:08 |
schestowitz | http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/breaking/6736210.html | Nov 28 22:08 |
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Ender2070 | why pay adobe royalties, when google buys the technology behind html5 | Nov 28 22:08 |
yuhong | "Customers have every right to expect these basics in their netbooks and we recommend them to manufacturers. " | Nov 28 22:09 |
Ender2070 | i dont see why those customers can't get prompted to install the non free stuff | Nov 28 22:10 |
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Ender2070 | for example fedora doesn't include anything non free, but there are repo's you can add which give you that stuff | Nov 28 22:12 |
Ender2070 | very well supported 3rd party repos too | Nov 28 22:12 |
Ender2070 | rpmfusion is a good example | Nov 28 22:12 |
schestowitz | [22:03] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: uhmm not sure what you mean, but Canonical offer some commercial software in their online shop | Nov 28 22:12 |
schestowitz | You mean proprietary | Nov 28 22:12 |
schestowitz | Free software is commercial | Nov 28 22:12 |
schestowitz | And Remix has codecs that are paid for, including Microsoft's pools | Nov 28 22:13 |
schestowitz | Mark Shuttleworth was negotiating w/ Microsoft in 2007 | Nov 28 22:13 |
schestowitz | I heard from someone who spoke to him | Nov 28 22:13 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: pools? | Nov 28 22:13 |
schestowitz | [22:08] <Ender2070> google chrome might cause flash to be replaced with html5 | Nov 28 22:14 |
schestowitz | They bought a 'codec company' | Nov 28 22:14 |
schestowitz | No explanation just yet | Nov 28 22:14 |
Ender2070 | that was my theory a while ago | Nov 28 22:14 |
schestowitz | But Google owns ('owns') like 70% of Web video | Nov 28 22:14 |
Ender2070 | they bought the codec company to push html5 | Nov 28 22:14 |
schestowitz | I hope so | Nov 28 22:14 |
schestowitz | It would give them good karma | Nov 28 22:15 |
Ender2070 | yes | Nov 28 22:15 |
Ender2070 | they emphasized html5 video for chrome os | Nov 28 22:15 |
schestowitz | /Whose/ html5? | Nov 28 22:15 |
schestowitz | There's trouble cause of companies | Nov 28 22:15 |
schestowitz | WWW created by CERN physicist | Nov 28 22:15 |
schestowitz | To share papers and get corrections | Nov 28 22:16 |
schestowitz | Like Wikipedia | Nov 28 22:16 |
schestowitz | But things changed | Nov 28 22:16 |
yuhong | Yep, but on codecs, I think it is unfair to just point fingers at MS. | Nov 28 22:16 |
schestowitz | It's no longer confined to his MIT tenure | Nov 28 22:16 |
yuhong | I know. | Nov 28 22:16 |
schestowitz | Cerf works for Google now | Nov 28 22:16 |
yuhong | Yep. | Nov 28 22:16 |
schestowitz | ANd guess who runs HTML? | Nov 28 22:16 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/08/28/html-working-group-impact/ | Nov 28 22:16 |
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schestowitz | Apple attacked ogg | Nov 28 22:17 |
schestowitz | w/ Nokia | Nov 28 22:17 |
yuhong | "You mean proprietary" | Nov 28 22:17 |
schestowitz | SOmeone who worker for Microsoft | Nov 28 22:17 |
yuhong | Yep, another myth debunked by the FSF. | Nov 28 22:17 |
schestowitz | It comes from Microsoft | Nov 28 22:17 |
schestowitz | In part at elast | Nov 28 22:17 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/06/23/bill-gates-mocks-gpl/ | Nov 28 22:18 |
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schestowitz | http://www.themoneytimes.com/reviews/20091125/godfather-spam-gets-4-years-behind-bars-id-1092028.html | Nov 28 22:20 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: “Godfather of Spam” Gets 4 Years Behind Bars | The Money Times .::. Size~: 31.1 KB | Nov 28 22:20 |
PetoKraus | hahaha: http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/697221235_AxzRa-L.jpg | Nov 28 22:21 |
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yuhong | Scoble today don't seem to be too bad. | Nov 28 22:22 |
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schestowitz | Obamaa [sic] is sleeping with more corporations, including maker of rootkits. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-and-Sony-Join-President-Obama-in-Promoting-Science-127852.shtml | Nov 28 22:26 |
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schestowitz | yuhong: he hasn't said anything that upset FOSS people in years | Nov 28 22:26 |
yuhong | Yep, exactly. | Nov 28 22:26 |
yuhong | Scoble even likes Chrome OS nowadays. | Nov 28 22:27 |
schestowitz | Server's too slow today for a holiday Saturday | Nov 28 22:27 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Software Patents legislation in preparation in Mexico: http://i5.be/VM | Nov 28 22:27 | |
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yuhong | http://scobleizer.com/2009/05/24/watch-the-google-anthill-move-toward-social-and-real-time/ | Nov 28 22:29 |
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yuhong | "This week Google is having its I/O conference. Executives there told me to be there to witness the shift. They’ve also given me a small look at some of what’s coming. One even told me that it’ll be like the first Microsoft NT developer’s conference in its importance of what gets shown." | Nov 28 22:29 |
schestowitz | http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1822/microsoft-didnt-ban-1m-users-after-all | Nov 28 22:29 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Didn't Ban 1m Users After All | NowGamer .::. Size~: 45.92 KB | Nov 28 22:29 |
schestowitz | gaming sites are big AstroTurfers | Nov 28 22:30 |
schestowitz | You need to know which one shills for who..... | Nov 28 22:30 |
yuhong | http://www.linux.com/community/blogs/the-ghost-of-marc-andreessen-comes-back-as-google-chrome-os-to-haunt-microsoft.html?blogger=Christian+Einfeldt | Nov 28 22:31 |
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yuhong | " At that time, Andreessen concluded that the Internet browser would render Microsoft's Windows operating system as little more than a "slightly buggy set of drivers", meaning the software that makes hardware components run. " | Nov 28 22:33 |
yuhong | "Google is selling services, not software, so Google will not fall prey to Microsoft's tactic of "cutting of Netscape's air supply" by giving away the Microsoft Internet Explorer. " | Nov 28 22:33 |
MinceR | slightly? | Nov 28 22:34 |
Ender2070 | http://www.xkcd.org/528/ | Nov 28 22:34 |
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yuhong | That is a different matter. | Nov 28 22:34 |
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sebsebseb | ok | Nov 28 22:35 |
sebsebseb | I am on KDE 4 now | Nov 28 22:35 |
schestowitz | http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Microsoft-showcases-Indic-language-input-tools/546545/ | Nov 28 22:35 |
schestowitz | Hmmmmm.... | Nov 28 22:35 |
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schestowitz | sebsebseb: .3? | Nov 28 22:36 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: yes Mandriva One KDE 4.3 | Nov 28 22:36 |
schestowitz | Ender2070: that cartoon may be insulting to Hitler | Nov 28 22:37 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: so 4.3.2 iirc | Nov 28 22:37 |
sebsebseb | it's like Kubuntu 9.10, but didn't load up rubbish with it | Nov 28 22:38 |
sebsebseb | it's more KDE 3 like yep :) | Nov 28 22:38 |
sebsebseb | hover effects and such :) | Nov 28 22:38 |
schestowitz | Vista rendered hundreds of millions of PCs unusable and many fled | Nov 28 22:38 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: it's a bit like Vista actsauly | Nov 28 22:39 |
sebsebseb | since the thumbnail effect | Nov 28 22:39 |
schestowitz | I used only 4.1 and 4.3.1 | Nov 28 22:39 |
sebsebseb | and such | Nov 28 22:39 |
schestowitz | You can dim windows when you're in the panels | Nov 28 22:39 |
schestowitz | It's a kwin effect | Nov 28 22:39 |
schestowitz | Compiz-inherited | Nov 28 22:39 |
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schestowitz | Also, enable the thing that blows up windows visaually | Nov 28 22:39 |
schestowitz | "Fall apart" iirc | Nov 28 22:39 |
yuhong | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1426425&cid=29940189 | Nov 28 22:40 |
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yuhong | "Vista rendered hundreds of millions of PCs unusable " | Nov 28 22:41 |
yuhong | Really? | Nov 28 22:41 |
schestowitz | http://www.viploan.co.uk/article/Business-3586.shtml | Nov 28 22:41 |
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schestowitz | yuhong: they came with it, users escaped to Linux or XP | Nov 28 22:42 |
yuhong | I know, but did it really made the PC unusable? | Nov 28 22:42 |
schestowitz | On the matter of this topic, Kildall said in the May 25, 1981 issue of InfoWorld [google.com] that "we don't need to get greedy; we have plenty of business providing the software tools. " | Nov 28 22:43 |
schestowitz | Well, he was a scientist | Nov 28 22:43 |
schestowitz | They don't pursue greed as much | Nov 28 22:43 |
schestowitz | gates was not a scientist | Nov 28 22:43 |
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schestowitz | And he came from a family of of greed | Nov 28 22:43 |
schestowitz | Letter to hobbyists... manifestation of stopping the sharing of goods | Nov 28 22:43 |
yuhong | Yep, artifical scaracity. | Nov 28 22:44 |
Ender2070 | Ken Hess has been getting better at his articles | Nov 28 22:44 |
schestowitz | Yes, I noticed | Nov 28 22:44 |
schestowitz | It changed after he spoke to RMS | Nov 28 22:44 |
Ender2070 | yeah | Nov 28 22:44 |
schestowitz | Suddenly he writes about GNU and stuff | Nov 28 22:44 |
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yuhong | Yep, there is a point I am trying to make. | Nov 28 22:44 |
Ender2070 | I write an anti article to his "too many open source licenses" | Nov 28 22:44 |
schestowitz | 2 years ago he invited Microsoft to hire him | Nov 28 22:44 |
schestowitz | Shocking | Nov 28 22:44 |
Ender2070 | yeah | Nov 28 22:45 |
Ender2070 | i emailed him saying keep up the good work | Nov 28 22:45 |
Ender2070 | lol | Nov 28 22:45 |
schestowitz | Good. | Nov 28 22:45 |
schestowitz | He's not baitish anymore | Nov 28 22:45 |
Ender2070 | yeah exactly | Nov 28 22:45 |
Ender2070 | i think he was just mislead before | Nov 28 22:45 |
schestowitz | jperlow | Nov 28 22:45 |
schestowitz | et al | Nov 28 22:46 |
Ender2070 | RMS probably talked a lot of sense into him | Nov 28 22:46 |
schestowitz | Maybe he realised RMS was really a nice guy | Nov 28 22:46 |
Ender2070 | :) | Nov 28 22:46 |
schestowitz | http://www.frugaltechshow.com/stallman/ | Nov 28 22:47 |
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schestowitz | Plays in FF 3.5 | Nov 28 22:47 |
schestowitz | Colleague: http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=11203 | Nov 28 22:47 |
schestowitz | jperlow no longer hangs out here | Nov 28 22:47 |
schestowitz | But then again, he hardly blogs, either | Nov 28 22:48 |
schestowitz | Maybe installing some Wintendos+HyperVeee for IBM customers | Nov 28 22:48 |
Ender2070 | ogg files :D | Nov 28 22:48 |
schestowitz | Ys, ogg | Nov 28 22:48 |
schestowitz | jperlow compressed them while here | Nov 28 22:49 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/irc-log-30092009.html | Nov 28 22:50 |
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yuhong | "Wintendos+HyperVeee" | Nov 28 22:50 |
yuhong | Funny! | Nov 28 22:50 |
yuhong | BTW, I uninstalled AVG from my Vista machine and it runs much faster. | Nov 28 22:51 |
schestowitz | Is this true? 'Microsoft Corp. has done more to popularize graphical programming than any other vendor." http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9141465/Microsoft_s_top_developers_prefer_old_school_coding_methods | Nov 28 22:51 |
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schestowitz | It's Eric Microsoft Redmond lai | Nov 28 22:51 |
schestowitz | So he could be exaggerating, maybe it's revisionism too | Nov 28 22:52 |
schestowitz | What was Borland up to at the time? | Nov 28 22:52 |
schestowitz | yuhong: you could run WIndows+DX in VirtualBox under Ubuntu | Nov 28 22:52 |
yuhong | Remember when I talked about how my machine came with a Vista preload. | Nov 28 22:53 |
schestowitz | The dumping on Malta continues..... http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20091128/business/microsoft-solutions-to-be-launched-on-wednesday | Nov 28 22:53 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: timesofmalta.com - Microsoft Solutions to be launched on Wednesday .::. Size~: 43.86 KB | Nov 28 22:53 |
schestowitz | They dress themselves up on any nation that moves to FOSS or talks about it | Nov 28 22:53 |
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sebsebseb | right back | Nov 28 22:54 |
yuhong | Anyway, one of the preinstalled software was a trial of anti-virus software. | Nov 28 22:58 |
yuhong | I uninstalled it and installed AVG Free. | Nov 28 22:59 |
yuhong | But after seeing many slowdowns caused by it, and I verified it using a debugger and Process Explorer that it was really caused by AVG, I uninstalled it. | Nov 28 23:00 |
yuhong | And indeed it made my system ran faster. | Nov 28 23:00 |
Ender2070 | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-One-Clients-for-KDE-and-Fedora | Nov 28 23:00 |
schestowitz | I never messed about with AV | Nov 28 23:00 |
schestowitz | In my Compaq with Win98 there was McAfee bundled as cr*pware | Nov 28 23:00 |
schestowitz | They used scareware | Nov 28 23:01 |
yuhong | Yep. | Nov 28 23:01 |
schestowitz | Not in the proper sense | Nov 28 23:01 |
schestowitz | Like, they would display ugly pictures | Nov 28 23:01 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: hmm I can't get into home except the icon on desktop, I mean it's not on the panel | Nov 28 23:01 |
schestowitz | of biological viruses | Nov 28 23:01 |
schestowitz | And my dad would be intimidated by these | Nov 28 23:01 |
schestowitz | They ask for money | Nov 28 23:01 |
yuhong | http://www.dailytech.com/Study+Win+7+is+Lean+But+Many+Windows+7+Laptops+are+Badly+Bloated/article16678.htm | Nov 28 23:01 |
schestowitz | Like, "your 30 days expires...... blah... you may have viruses" | Nov 28 23:01 |
schestowitz | *expired | Nov 28 23:02 |
schestowitz | In win95 I didn't use AV | Nov 28 23:02 |
schestowitz | But I liked it when as kids we nuked each other in IRC | Nov 28 23:02 |
yuhong | I know, it was not that scary, but I remember seeing them. | Nov 28 23:02 |
schestowitz | *ICQ | Nov 28 23:02 |
schestowitz | Win95 at its finest | Nov 28 23:02 |
schestowitz | Get IP -> take down | Nov 28 23:02 |
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phIRCe-BNc | Win95 at its finest | Nov 28 23:02 |
phIRCe-BNc | Get IP -> take down | Nov 28 23:02 |
schestowitz | And then there was anti-nuke | Nov 28 23:02 |
yuhong | I know. | Nov 28 23:02 |
schestowitz | So after a while we all just ran an executable not to be intercepted by mates | Nov 28 23:03 |
schestowitz | Or hide in ICQ | Nov 28 23:03 |
schestowitz | Not to be seen by the friend | Nov 28 23:03 |
Ender2070 | ICQ | Nov 28 23:03 |
Ender2070 | hehehe | Nov 28 23:03 |
schestowitz | Windows patching management.... | Nov 28 23:03 |
Ender2070 | i loved it | Nov 28 23:03 |
schestowitz | Non-existent | Nov 28 23:03 |
yuhong | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/10/17/lockheed-martin-shoots-foot/#comment-74409 | Nov 28 23:03 |
schestowitz | You'd need to patch manually | Nov 28 23:03 |
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yuhong | I know, WinMe introduced auto-update. | Nov 28 23:03 |
schestowitz | Ender2070: yes, I met some people via ICQ | Nov 28 23:04 |
schestowitz | Some I still keep in touch with | Nov 28 23:04 |
yuhong | Win98 introduced Windows Update. | Nov 28 23:04 |
schestowitz | Some people still use win98 SE | Nov 28 23:04 |
schestowitz | I have it here | Nov 28 23:04 |
schestowitz | Maybe the CD still works OK | Nov 28 23:04 |
schestowitz | Not that I have any need for it | Nov 28 23:04 |
yuhong | I know, I still have a CD too. | Nov 28 23:05 |
schestowitz | Wine has better compat than win98, but I don't use wine either | Nov 28 23:05 |
Ender2070 | i didnt know about Linux till 1999 | Nov 28 23:05 |
Ender2070 | so i had DOS, Win95, Win98/SE | Nov 28 23:05 |
schestowitz | A friend from school used it around 98 | Nov 28 23:05 |
Ender2070 | a little win2k | Nov 28 23:05 |
schestowitz | On dsktop | Nov 28 23:05 |
schestowitz | But I resented Microsoft for its crime even around that time. I was acutely aware of them | Nov 28 23:06 |
schestowitz | Netscape case, 1998 | Nov 28 23:06 |
schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2008/10/05/how-i-became-familiar-with-microsoft-misbehaviour/ | Nov 28 23:06 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » How I Became Familiar with Microsoft Misbehaviour .::. Size~: 35.68 KB | Nov 28 23:06 |
Ender2070 | yeah | Nov 28 23:06 |
Ender2070 | i was aware of the issues back then too | Nov 28 23:07 |
yuhong | yep. | Nov 28 23:07 |
Ender2070 | my high school made us use win98se and ie5 | Nov 28 23:07 |
Ender2070 | it was the most terrible thing i had to put up with | Nov 28 23:07 |
schestowitz | Is this true: "Microsoft Corp. has done more to popularize graphical programming than any other vendor. " | Nov 28 23:07 |
schestowitz | or technowaffle? | Nov 28 23:07 |
Ender2070 | graphical programming? | Nov 28 23:07 |
Ender2070 | perhaps | Nov 28 23:07 |
Ender2070 | Visual Basic | Nov 28 23:07 |
schestowitz | Any precedence? | Nov 28 23:08 |
schestowitz | They usually copy someone | Nov 28 23:08 |
schestowitz | Then eliminate rival | Nov 28 23:08 |
schestowitz | And claim to have "popularised" office suites|GUI|Solitaire | Nov 28 23:08 |
yuhong | Yep, VB6, and VBA still survives today as part of Office. | Nov 28 23:08 |
Ender2070 | im not sure if they copied anyone, but it didn't do well till VB6 | Nov 28 23:08 |
trmanco | VeeBee? | Nov 28 23:09 |
Ender2070 | actually i wonder if they ripped off amiga | Nov 28 23:09 |
Ender2070 | it was quite graphical | Nov 28 23:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] RAID array built. That is all. | Nov 28 23:10 | |
Ender2070 | ahhhhhhh | Nov 28 23:11 |
Ender2070 | schestowitz - they didnt invent it :) | Nov 28 23:11 |
yuhong | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/154174 | Nov 28 23:11 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Invalid ICMP Datagram Fragments Hang Windows NT, Windows 95 .::. Size~: 44.35 KB | Nov 28 23:11 |
Ender2070 | schestowitz - they bought a guy who did | Nov 28 23:11 |
Ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Basic#History | Nov 28 23:11 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Visual Basic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 93.86 KB | Nov 28 23:11 |
yuhong | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/179129 | Nov 28 23:12 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: STOP 0x0000000A or 0x00000019 Due to Modified Teardrop Attack .::. Size~: 44.17 KB | Nov 28 23:12 |
Ender2070 | they may have also competed with Borland | Nov 28 23:13 |
Ender2070 | Delphia | Nov 28 23:13 |
Ender2070 | Delphi* | Nov 28 23:13 |
yuhong | Some old articles from MS KB about the attacks. | Nov 28 23:13 |
Ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CodeGear_Delphi | Nov 28 23:14 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Embarcadero Delphi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 78.58 KB | Nov 28 23:14 |
yuhong | Yea, I once download the latest version of Turbo C++. | Nov 28 23:15 |
yuhong | But I did not use it at all and later it was uninstalled. | Nov 28 23:15 |
Ender2070 | lol | Nov 28 23:16 |
Ender2070 | i remember back in the day when broadband was scarce, i wanted to pay someone to download redhat 6 for me | Nov 28 23:16 |
Ender2070 | they wanted to charge me like $60, saying redhat charged a lot more than he was | Nov 28 23:17 |
Ender2070 | i died laughing at him | Nov 28 23:17 |
Ender2070 | the dude was selling pirated windows cheaper, probably cause redhat 6 was so many cds | Nov 28 23:19 |
yuhong | Yea, remember Infomagic and other CD vendors. | Nov 28 23:19 |
Ender2070 | i got my first cd burner in 2001 and broadband | Nov 28 23:19 |
Ender2070 | luckily i didnt have to deal with too much | Nov 28 23:19 |
Ender2070 | i had another friend get me redhat 6 for the cost of the blank disks | Nov 28 23:20 |
Ender2070 | i remember OpenCaldara | Nov 28 23:20 |
Ender2070 | its installer included tetris so you wouldn't be bored during install | Nov 28 23:20 |
schestowitz | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#Adobe.2FMacromedia_Flash_Player | Nov 28 23:22 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Forbidden items - FedoraProject .::. Size~: 33.26 KB | Nov 28 23:22 |
schestowitz | "[PJ: And that's what I love about Fedora. Mandriva also offers a free-only version now, and so I have both. And I just put Knoppix on my Mandriva flash drive that I messed up earlier by being too creative by half, and I use that to boot up on an XP netbook.." | Nov 28 23:22 |
schestowitz | "..someone just gave me, so those are my three currently.I love each of them for different things. But if you'd like to think about why it matters when companies encumber software with patents, take a look at the list of forbidden items. It's basic functionality that is at stake.]" | Nov 28 23:23 |
schestowitz | http://www.sr.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=1646&artikel=3240254 | Nov 28 23:25 |
yuhong | Anyway, I remember that Kildall's wife was pissed off at IBM for having DR sign an NDA that had many problems. | Nov 28 23:30 |
schestowitz | http://news.gallaudet.edu/Daily_Digest/EventXite_-_Announcements/Gallaudet_participates_in_Google_program_to_caption_YouTube_videos.html | Nov 28 23:31 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Gallaudet participates in Google program to caption YouTube videos .::. Size~: 9.84 KB | Nov 28 23:31 |
schestowitz | yuhong: is she still alive? | Nov 28 23:31 |
yuhong | Gary? No, was dead in 1994. | Nov 28 23:32 |
Ender2070 | fedora bans a lot of non free stuff | Nov 28 23:34 |
yuhong | Yep. | Nov 28 23:34 |
schestowitz | yuhong: no, his wife | Nov 28 23:34 |
Ender2070 | rms has said fedora is very close to being considered free software | Nov 28 23:34 |
schestowitz | BN still ticks at about quarter of a million hits per day, on average | Nov 28 23:35 |
yuhong | I am doing research to find the answer. | Nov 28 23:35 |
schestowitz | schestowitz.com never does more than 50k | Nov 28 23:35 |
schestowitz | I guess that's why I feel motivated to post in BN and my personal blog is abandoned for me | Nov 28 23:35 |
yuhong | http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050215/news_1m15mcewen.html | Nov 28 23:36 |
schestowitz | yuhong: Try the exhibits archives | Nov 28 23:36 |
schestowitz | Hold on..... | Nov 28 23:36 |
schestowitz | http://www.maxframe.com/DR/Info/fullstory/ | Nov 28 23:37 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Index of /DR/Info/fullstory .::. Size~: 2.75 KB | Nov 28 23:37 |
yuhong | Dug up this news article, answer yes he died in Jan 2005. | Nov 28 23:37 |
schestowitz | http://www.maxframe.com/DR/Info/ | Nov 28 23:37 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Index of /DR/Info .::. Size~: 0.72 KB | Nov 28 23:37 |
schestowitz | There are more....... | Nov 28 23:37 |
yuhong | "Dorothy McEwen, the former wife of the software pioneer who famously lost to Microsoft the chance to supply IBM with the operating system for its first personal computer, has died. She was 61. " | Nov 28 23:37 |
schestowitz | I can find them for you | Nov 28 23:37 |
schestowitz | 61 is young | Nov 28 23:38 |
schestowitz | Must be exhausting fighting the b0rg | Nov 28 23:38 |
yuhong | I know. | Nov 28 23:38 |
schestowitz | "He [Bill Gates] is divisive. He is manipulative. He is a user. He has taken much from me and the industry." -Gary Kildall | Nov 28 23:38 |
schestowitz | Yet many people believe Bill's PR agencies these days | Nov 28 23:39 |
schestowitz | Thinking he's a wonderful man | Nov 28 23:39 |
yuhong | I know. | Nov 28 23:39 |
schestowitz | Yeah.. like Nixon | Nov 28 23:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.chicagoiplitigation.com/2009/11/articles/inequitable-conduct/internet-archive-website-is-admissible-evidence/ | Nov 28 23:39 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Internet Archive Website is Admissible Evidence : Chicago IP Litigation Blog .::. Size~: 40.52 KB | Nov 28 23:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.smh.com.au/world/activist-jailed-for-digging-up-truth-in-quake-rubble-20091124-jhfi.html | Nov 28 23:40 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Activist jailed for digging up truth in quake rubble .::. Size~: 78.98 KB | Nov 28 23:40 |
schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/25/AR2009112501961.html | Nov 28 23:43 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Smartbook Says Bloggers Can't Use The Word Smartbook Anymore. Smartbook. - washingtonpost.com .::. Size~: 92.98 KB | Nov 28 23:43 |
schestowitz | Good. I always hated the word | Nov 28 23:43 |
schestowitz | I call it "sub-notebooks" | Nov 28 23:43 |
schestowitz | That's what it is | Nov 28 23:43 |
schestowitz | notebook | Nov 28 23:43 |
schestowitz | Miniature | Nov 28 23:43 |
schestowitz | In-between wrt to Nokie N900-like devices | Nov 28 23:43 |
schestowitz | *the Nokia | Nov 28 23:44 |
cubezzz | "ultra portable" :) | Nov 28 23:44 |
yuhong | I read that Kildall was an idealist. | Nov 28 23:44 |
cubezzz | still trying to re-flash c-span | Nov 28 23:46 |
cubezzz | er... | Nov 28 23:46 |
cubezzz | deflash :) | Nov 28 23:46 |
MinceR | sub-notebooks also include devices that are way too expensive to be netbooks :> | Nov 28 23:46 |
yuhong | Remember all the talk about MS's own apps using undoc APIs? | Nov 28 23:48 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Kroes stays, sort of http://www.nrc.nl/international/europe/article2422307.ece/Kroes_to_get_ICT_and_telecom_in_EU_Commission | Nov 28 23:48 | |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: nrc.nl - International - Europe - Kroes to get 'ICT and telecom' in EU Commission .::. Size~: 33.48 KB | Nov 28 23:48 |
MinceR | i do | Nov 28 23:48 |
MinceR | but even the documentation they do write and release tends to suck | Nov 28 23:49 |
cubezzz | most documentation sucks | Nov 28 23:49 |
yuhong | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1426425&cid=29940189 | Nov 28 23:49 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Slashdot Comments | Microsoft's Lost Decade .::. Size~: 37.09 KB | Nov 28 23:49 |
yuhong | Read this again. | Nov 28 23:49 |
MinceR | DR refused to license CP/M-86? citation needed. | Nov 28 23:50 |
cubezzz | that is a bit murky | Nov 28 23:50 |
cubezzz | I doubt you will find much 1st hand information | Nov 28 23:50 |
yuhong | And remember all the talk about MS's own apps using undoc APIs as an advantage, and you will get my point. | Nov 28 23:50 |
MinceR | that m$ doesn't provide the tools because they're greedy? :> | Nov 28 23:51 |
yuhong | Not my point. | Nov 28 23:51 |
yuhong | And yes, I know this is a bit murky. | Nov 28 23:52 |
cubezzz | it's kind of a shame about BeOS and Amiga, but at least we have Linux | Nov 28 23:52 |
cubezzz | and GNU :) | Nov 28 23:52 |
cubezzz | no one cares about CP/M | Nov 28 23:53 |
*MinceR realizes cnet was wasting his time up to this point | Nov 28 23:53 | |
MinceR | they're trying to sell me the idea that the newton was the first PDA | Nov 28 23:54 |
cubezzz | there were a lot of little pocket computers | Nov 28 23:54 |
yuhong | Part of it I read was that Kildall's wife was pissed off at IBM for having DR sign an NDA that had many problems. | Nov 28 23:54 |
cubezzz | if you call it "pocket computer" there were many before Newton | Nov 28 23:55 |
yuhong | And unfortunately what helped was that Kildall was an idealist, while Gates was an aggressive businessman. | Nov 28 23:55 |
cubezzz | "What's in a Name?" | Nov 28 23:55 |
cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_computer | Nov 28 23:56 |
phIRCe-BNc | Title: Pocket computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 35.61 KB | Nov 28 23:56 |
yuhong | I said unfortunately, because Gates being an aggressive businessman helped MS became evil. | Nov 28 23:56 |
cubezzz | Gates was evil | Nov 28 23:56 |
cubezzz | I can't really describe him any other way | Nov 28 23:57 |
yuhong | I know, schestowitz mentioned it. | Nov 28 23:57 |
cubezzz | ok, did you know Gates went dumpster diving to get the code for BASIC? | Nov 28 23:57 |
MinceR | "become"? m$ was founded that way. | Nov 28 23:58 |
yuhong | I know, and the GPL would have prevented exactly what Gates did. | Nov 28 23:58 |
yuhong | Yep, they invented non-free software, and wrote the Open Letter to Hobbyists to stop software sharing. | Nov 28 23:58 |
cubezzz | and stole the computer time to write and 8080 emulator! | Nov 28 23:59 |
yuhong | Yep. | Nov 28 23:59 |
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