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MinceR | even hw you don't research tends to work | Dec 29 00:01 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's Contributions to #FreeSoftware Noted and Celebrated http://ur1.ca/inl2 http://ur1.ca/imbb | Dec 29 00:01 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Dictatorship Pushed Using Lies and Spin http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2009/12/acta-as-fools-gold-standard.html #whitecollarcrime | Dec 29 00:02 | |
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cubezzz | Mincer, I compiled some of my own modules | Dec 29 00:03 |
cubezzz | bttv | Dec 29 00:03 |
MinceR | i compiled one, for a usb host-to-host cable (plusb, with a USB ID added) | Dec 29 00:03 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UK Taxpayers to ~$800,000,000 for #MAFIAA to Eavesdrop on Themselves http://ur1.ca/inl4 | Dec 29 00:04 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware a Long-term Investment, #Education Tool http://ur1.ca/inl7 http://ur1.ca/inl8 | Dec 29 00:06 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] What is it with torches in movies...why do they only ever light up a tiny area...? #dayofthetriffids #movies #torches | Dec 29 00:06 | |
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cubezzz | would that be the usbnet module? | Dec 29 00:07 |
MinceR | no, it's the plusb module | Dec 29 00:07 |
cubezzz | oh, ok | Dec 29 00:07 |
MinceR | (the brand of the chip is Prolific, iirc) | Dec 29 00:07 |
MinceR | (the cable itself is noname) | Dec 29 00:07 |
cubezzz | ah, I have the source for it | Dec 29 00:08 |
cubezzz | never used it though | Dec 29 00:08 |
MinceR | it's in the kernel source, it just needed the IDs to be added | Dec 29 00:09 |
cubezzz | yeah it's nice to have source code for things | Dec 29 00:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Against Monopoly" Web Site on Objectivists and #IntellectualMonopolies Demise http://ur1.ca/inln | Dec 29 00:19 | |
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schestowitz | [00:01] <MinceR> even hw you don't research tends to work | Dec 29 00:20 |
schestowitz | Works here, at work too. Maybe it takes effort to pick the wrong h/w | Dec 29 00:21 |
schestowitz | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/28/1438232/Happy-Birthday-Linus | Dec 29 00:23 |
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schestowitz | Since coming back to /, this morning it has not been annoying | Dec 29 00:23 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: I need your help | Dec 29 00:31 |
schestowitz | What string does Visible Technologies leave in logs? | Dec 29 00:32 |
schestowitz | Earlier today when the server was hammered and I tailed it I saw; | Dec 29 00:32 |
schestowitz | 142.166.170.103 - - [28/Dec/2009:07:22:56 -0800] "GET /robots.txt HTTP/1.1" 200 50 "-" "R6_CommentReader(www.radian6.com/crawler)" | Dec 29 00:32 |
schestowitz | But I don't think Microsoft hires Radian6 scum | Dec 29 00:32 |
cubezzz | there's osst and st and both say they are "SCSI Tape Driver for Linux" | Dec 29 00:35 |
cubezzz | Radian6 scum? What is that? :) | Dec 29 00:35 |
MinceR | astroturfing company, like visible technologies? | Dec 29 00:36 |
cubezzz | ah, I see, osst seems like an older st | Dec 29 00:38 |
cubezzz | pretty sure I don't need those | Dec 29 00:38 |
_goblin_ | Sorry for only lurking...got distracted with Day of the triffids on iplayer....speak to you all later...bye! | Dec 29 00:40 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: Radian6 is usually Comcast | Dec 29 00:41 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Check out Amicus_curious over on my comments section they may now understand the term "troll" http://tinyurl.com/ybmj5mq #microsoft #windows | Dec 29 00:44 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Thats me done for tonight. For those of you lucky enough to be able to view BBC iplayer check out Day of the Triffids #dayofthetriffids | Dec 29 00:44 | |
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DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_E79glEnj0&feature=related | Dec 29 00:53 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Defaming Boycott Novell Using Lies, Forgeries http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/28/lies-and-forgeries/ | Dec 29 01:14 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] One last post before I WILL go.. http://tinyurl.com/ybzebe5 Someones interested in my work #microsoft #windows #xp #vista #7 #windows7 #foss | Dec 29 01:14 | |
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cubezzz | ok, this is significant: | Dec 29 01:21 |
cubezzz | That's only partly true. In '94 BSD was even or ahead of Linux in terms of features. The reason Linux ended up "the winner" is because there was a stark difference between the two communities in welcoming newbies into the fold. #unix was the place to go on IRC for abuse. In stark contrast, the folks on #linux were very patient and helpful. | Dec 29 01:21 |
cubezzz | now I actually received some abuse from #linux and got help in #linuxhelp | Dec 29 01:21 |
MinceR | i've found *bsd fans to be very obnoxious | Dec 29 01:22 |
MinceR | perhaps that's what led to their downfall | Dec 29 01:22 |
MinceR | ...or many developers really didn't want m$, crApple and the like to rip off their work | Dec 29 01:23 |
cubezzz | before IRC existed I found unix guys too be very unfriendly | Dec 29 01:23 |
cubezzz | to | Dec 29 01:23 |
MinceR | i'm not sure if i even knew unix existed before i used irc | Dec 29 01:23 |
Ender2070 | every bsd fan insults pulseaudio for instance | Dec 29 01:24 |
MinceR | even i insult pulseaudio from time to time, even though i'm no bsd fan | Dec 29 01:24 |
MinceR | :> | Dec 29 01:24 |
cubezzz | same here | Dec 29 01:24 |
cubezzz | I was talking about general unfriendliness | Dec 29 01:24 |
Ender2070 | they support OSS and even insult alsa though | Dec 29 01:24 |
cubezzz | I try to be nice :) | Dec 29 01:25 |
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MinceR | oss supporters tend to forget the weaknesses of oss | Dec 29 01:25 |
Ender2070 | probably bitter that they stole all the sound developers with GPL alsa | Dec 29 01:25 |
MinceR | such as no midi support and no multichannel audio support | Dec 29 01:25 |
MinceR | or maybe they simply think that the architecture is perfect as it is and can no longer be improved | Dec 29 01:26 |
Ender2070 | lol | Dec 29 01:26 |
Ender2070 | +1 | Dec 29 01:26 |
cubezzz | embedix uses oss, so I still use oss | Dec 29 01:26 |
Ender2070 | everything *BSD does is perfect | Dec 29 01:26 |
cubezzz | right :) | Dec 29 01:26 |
Ender2070 | they don't add new features because they plan to add them :) | Dec 29 01:26 |
Ender2070 | hence more stable, since it doesn't support any hardware | Dec 29 01:27 |
cubezzz | I'm not anti-BSD by any means | Dec 29 01:27 |
Ender2070 | less drivers to worry about, less crashing | Dec 29 01:27 |
cubezzz | after all, Stallman needed BSD | Dec 29 01:27 |
Ender2070 | hardly | Dec 29 01:28 |
MinceR | i'm not anti-bsd, i'm anti-bsd-community | Dec 29 01:28 |
Ender2070 | I know, I jest | Dec 29 01:28 |
cubezzz | commercial BSD derivatives and the BSD networking stack ending up in Windows 95 put off some developers - who wants to see their work being co-opted by Microsoft and other corporations in closed source products? | Dec 29 01:28 |
Ender2070 | the lawsuit with AT&T also scared people off | Dec 29 01:29 |
MinceR | i think *BSDs are useful to have around even if they're inferior to GNU/Linux | Dec 29 01:29 |
MinceR | more choices, more diversity, etc. | Dec 29 01:29 |
Ender2070 | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-copyleft.html | Dec 29 01:29 |
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Ender2070 | actually I like OpenBSD | Dec 29 01:30 |
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cubezzz | anyone can use BSD code and I do :) | Dec 29 01:32 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Cameron denies claims of Tory similarities to conservatives http://newstechnica.com/?p=1000 (ONE THOUSAND!) | Dec 29 01:32 | |
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cubezzz | I'd love to see the current Microsoft memos | Dec 29 01:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Moonlight Covenant Claimed Worse Than the Old One, More Holes Found http://ur1.ca/inop | Dec 29 01:34 | |
cubezzz | "Iceberg Ahead!!" ;-) | Dec 29 01:35 |
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schestowitz | Ender2070: there? | Dec 29 01:38 |
schestowitz | I see the discussion as it developer | Dec 29 01:39 |
schestowitz | It made Linux Today too | Dec 29 01:39 |
schestowitz | And....: | Dec 29 01:39 |
schestowitz | I see the Net App lies coming up | Dec 29 01:39 |
schestowitz | I have many posts to counter this Big Lie. | Dec 29 01:39 |
schestowitz | I should do a Wiki page on it. Hold on.... | Dec 29 01:39 |
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Ender2070 | hi | Dec 29 01:41 |
Ender2070 | oh nice | Dec 29 01:42 |
MinceR | what's the last line from me that you saw? | Dec 29 01:42 |
Ender2070 | [20:22] <MinceR> more choices, more diversity, etc. | Dec 29 01:43 |
Ender2070 | [20:22] <Ender2070> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-copyleft.html | Dec 29 01:43 |
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Ender2070 | [20:22] <phIRCe-local> Title: Why Copyleft? - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF) .::. Size~: 9.1 KB | Dec 29 01:43 |
Ender2070 | [20:23] <Ender2070> actually I like OpenBSD | Dec 29 01:43 |
MinceR | thx | Dec 29 01:43 |
schestowitz | Ender2070: I'm making a wiki page for you | Dec 29 01:43 |
Ender2070 | schestowitz - thanks | Dec 29 01:43 |
schestowitz | It would help resolve the issues with one URL | Dec 29 01:43 |
schestowitz | containing heaps of external links to mainstream press too | Dec 29 01:44 |
fewa_ | cubezzz, the cathedral and the bazarr | Dec 29 01:45 |
cubezzz | schestowitz, those fake comments look like total junk | Dec 29 01:46 |
fewa_ | also, BSD license could not overcome MSFT | Dec 29 01:46 |
fewa_ | Ender2070, BSD still has OSS | Dec 29 01:47 |
cubezzz | yeah well, I'm basically a GNU/Linux person | Dec 29 01:47 |
cubezzz | my ISP uses BSD | Dec 29 01:47 |
fewa_ | which is inferior | Dec 29 01:47 |
fewa_ | to pulse or ALSA | Dec 29 01:47 |
fewa_ | BSD has SMP before linux | Dec 29 01:48 |
fewa_ | *had | Dec 29 01:48 |
fewa_ | i think its important to keep them largely compatible | Dec 29 01:49 |
cubezzz | I'm just pointing out I make use of more than just GNU and Linux | Dec 29 01:49 |
fewa_ | most software working under both | Dec 29 01:49 |
MinceR | afaik Linux had SMP before *BSD, actually | Dec 29 01:49 |
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schestowitz | Ender2070: for you: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/GNU/Linux_Market_Share | Dec 29 02:00 |
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schestowitz | cubezzz: forged comments you mean? | Dec 29 02:01 |
cubezzz | yeah | Dec 29 02:01 |
schestowitz | Ender2070: BTW, "chris" is one who used to follow eet as yes men | Dec 29 02:01 |
cubezzz | just utter junk | Dec 29 02:01 |
schestowitz | *man | Dec 29 02:01 |
schestowitz | But there are many chrises | Dec 29 02:01 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Brandon had me do this summary of posts about GNU/Linux market share: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/GNU/Linux_Market_Share | Dec 29 02:02 | |
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tessier | fewa_: BSD had SMP before Linux? Not at all. | Dec 29 02:04 |
fewa_ | oh well whatever | Dec 29 02:04 |
MinceR | before the netsplit, 024241 < MinceR> afaik Linux had SMP before *BSD, actually | Dec 29 02:04 |
tessier | fewa_: MP3.com started on FreeBSD. We moved to Linux because we we needed SMP and BSD didn't have it. | Dec 29 02:05 |
MinceR | :) | Dec 29 02:05 |
fewa_ | schweet | Dec 29 02:05 |
fewa_ | mp3.com was AWESOME | Dec 29 02:05 |
fewa_ | i still remember | Dec 29 02:05 |
tessier | Yeah, it was. Best gig I ever had. | Dec 29 02:05 |
MinceR | iirc Linux also had kernel modules before *BSD did. | Dec 29 02:05 |
fewa_ | what happened to all the music? | Dec 29 02:05 |
tessier | fewa_: Who knows. Probably deleted. | Dec 29 02:05 |
fewa_ | my cousin lost his works | Dec 29 02:05 |
tessier | TruSonic is still around. The only MP3.com spinoff to survive. | Dec 29 02:06 |
tessier | Maybe they have it. | Dec 29 02:06 |
fewa_ | killed by the MAFIAA | Dec 29 02:06 |
tessier | Yep. | Dec 29 02:06 |
fewa_ | cause they were afraid | Dec 29 02:06 |
fewa_ | afraid of people making their own music | Dec 29 02:06 |
tessier | Now you've got iTunes etc. doing pretty much the same thing as MP3.com did | Dec 29 02:06 |
fewa_ | not quite | Dec 29 02:06 |
cubezzz | Ballmer said GNU/Linux has more market share that Mac? | Dec 29 02:06 |
tessier | MP3.com did a lot more, actually | Dec 29 02:07 |
tessier | And with the music locker service you had to already own the CD. | Dec 29 02:07 |
tessier | Couldn't buy music new. But that was inevitably the next step. | Dec 29 02:07 |
fewa_ | Justin.tv is more reminiscent of mp3.com to me | Dec 29 02:07 |
tessier | If licensing could be arranged. | Dec 29 02:07 |
fewa_ | the key item is user-generated | Dec 29 02:07 |
fewa_ | iTunes doesn't have that | Dec 29 02:07 |
tessier | True | Dec 29 02:08 |
fewa_ | or even myspace | Dec 29 02:08 |
fewa_ | thats more like mp3.com was | Dec 29 02:08 |
tessier | At some point in time I gave linuxtday.com a treed-linuxtoday@ email address. When I registered or posted to a forum or something. | Dec 29 02:08 |
tessier | Now I get daily spam to that address. :( | Dec 29 02:08 |
tessier | If my spamfilter doesn't catch on soon I'll just file mail to that address in the junk folder. | Dec 29 02:09 |
fewa_ | i use differnt emails for that purpose too | Dec 29 02:09 |
fewa_ | to catch the sellers | Dec 29 02:09 |
MinceR | cubezzz: url? | Dec 29 02:13 |
Ender2070 | schestowitz - thanks again :) | Dec 29 02:13 |
cubezzz | just a sec | Dec 29 02:15 |
cubezzz | http://www.osnews.com/story/21035/Ballmer_Linux_Bigger_Competitor_than_Apple | Dec 29 02:15 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz GNU/Linux users in COLA appreciate your great work Roy. Don't let the trolls grind you down. Everybody knows they are frauds. | Dec 29 02:17 | |
cubezzz | the level of discussion seems a bit better on osnews | Dec 29 02:18 |
cubezzz | and in here of course :) | Dec 29 02:18 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] All GNU/Linux users in COLA Love you. Keep up the good work! | Dec 29 02:19 | |
cubezzz | Drink COLA | Dec 29 02:20 |
cubezzz | there's an open source cola too :) | Dec 29 02:20 |
cubezzz | the actual drink | Dec 29 02:20 |
cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCola_(drink) | Dec 29 02:21 |
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cubezzz | Ender2070, it's Canadian too | Dec 29 02:22 |
schestowitz | [02:06] <cubezzz> Ballmer said GNU/Linux has more market share that Mac? | Dec 29 02:24 |
schestowitz | His slides say so | Dec 29 02:24 |
schestowitz | So it required preparation and validation | Dec 29 02:24 |
schestowitz | He also said verbally that Linux had 60% in servers | Dec 29 02:24 |
schestowitz | In Sept 2008 | Dec 29 02:24 |
cubezzz | yes, I'm just surprised he admitted it | Dec 29 02:24 |
schestowitz | I remember the date cause I was on vacation and couldn't wait to write about it | Dec 29 02:24 |
cubezzz | Linux market share should be higher than 1% | Dec 29 02:25 |
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cubezzz | that's the number people seem to throw out... 1% | Dec 29 02:26 |
cubezzz | just seems wrong to me | Dec 29 02:26 |
schestowitz | Like 4% on netbooks | Dec 29 02:26 |
schestowitz | Real number is about 40% | Dec 29 02:26 |
schestowitz | 32% says ABI | Dec 29 02:26 |
schestowitz | An order of magnitude off | Dec 29 02:26 |
sebsebseb | ABI? | Dec 29 02:26 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst thanks, buddy | Dec 29 02:26 | |
schestowitz | If Microsoft said Ballmer is bald, be suspicious | Dec 29 02:27 |
sebsebseb | well Desktop Linux market share can't be measured properly, but it's probably about the same as OS X really | Dec 29 02:27 |
cubezzz | heh | Dec 29 02:27 |
sebsebseb | and yes they like to say it has less than 1% or 1% | Dec 29 02:27 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: the developing world balances it | Dec 29 02:27 |
schestowitz | Apple is a misnomer and no-namer in most countries | Dec 29 02:27 |
sebsebseb | Apple make money and a lot of it | Dec 29 02:27 |
sebsebseb | so can't be bothered to compete properly against Microsoft | Dec 29 02:28 |
schestowitz | I still try to explain this to some friends at the club I go to. Here in Britain many can afford Macs | Dec 29 02:28 |
schestowitz | We live in an insular culture | Dec 29 02:28 |
schestowitz | People often forget the world that's around them, naturally | Dec 29 02:28 |
cubezzz | lgp is in the UK | Dec 29 02:28 |
sebsebseb | what's that? | Dec 29 02:28 |
schestowitz | There's this song, "we are the world" | Dec 29 02:28 |
schestowitz | Richie and Jackson | Dec 29 02:28 |
cubezzz | Linux Game Publishing | Dec 29 02:28 |
schestowitz | It can be misued | Dec 29 02:29 |
sebsebseb | what annoys me now days about Desktop Linux is "sound" | Dec 29 02:29 |
schestowitz | To say, 'we, this nation, is the "world"' | Dec 29 02:29 |
sebsebseb | I used to have no problem at all, except sound maybe being muted in Ubuntu | Dec 29 02:29 |
sebsebseb | ,but now | Dec 29 02:29 |
sebsebseb | if I load up a vm, that's with Ubuntu 9.10 or Mandriva One 2010, I lose sound on the host :( | Dec 29 02:29 |
cubezzz | Americans do that too, their "World Series" is all American with one team from Canada :) | Dec 29 02:29 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu f*s up pulseaudio | Dec 29 02:29 |
schestowitz | The pluseaudio dev is furious about it | Dec 29 02:29 |
schestowitz | They give it a bad rap | Dec 29 02:29 |
sebsebseb | also I am not sure yet if any vm's will work with sound on Mandriva | Dec 29 02:30 |
schestowitz | He blogged about it and the press covered his rant (the AUssie guy, can't recall his name... oh, hmmm... Gedda, Rodney) | Dec 29 02:30 |
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sebsebseb | sound should just work | Dec 29 02:30 |
cubezzz | UK seems to use Linux more than Canada though | Dec 29 02:30 |
sebsebseb | I shoudn't need to configure it at all | Dec 29 02:30 |
cubezzz | we are too close to MicrosoftLand (TM) | Dec 29 02:30 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: no | Dec 29 02:30 |
sebsebseb | UK is majorly locked into Microsoft | Dec 29 02:31 |
schestowitz | In the UK, 3% of laptops are sold with Linux | Dec 29 02:31 |
schestowitz | Much higher for netbooks | Dec 29 02:31 |
cubezzz | sebsebseb, Roy said he can find Linux netbooks in the stores | Dec 29 02:31 |
cubezzz | I can't in Canada unfortunately | Dec 29 02:31 |
schestowitz | Mine was bought without OS fromm Novatech (the main box at home) | Dec 29 02:31 |
schestowitz | Try in Germany | Dec 29 02:31 |
schestowitz | 40% are with Linux | Dec 29 02:32 |
schestowitz | At least last year | Dec 29 02:32 |
Ender2070 | cubezzz www.canadacomputers.com has a limited few | Dec 29 02:32 |
sebsebseb | something about Iran going Desktop Linux, or whatever that was earlier, when I joined? | Dec 29 02:32 |
cubezzz | Ender2070, yes I see that, thanks | Dec 29 02:35 |
cubezzz | they got some refurb acer's for about $200 | Dec 29 02:37 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cringely: #Microsoft Deserves to Lose the #i4i Case http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/28/lies-about-ooxml-patents-i4i/ #ooxml #odf | Dec 29 02:37 | |
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schestowitz | http://netbooked.net/blog/linux-netbook-with-foxos-appears-at-fcc/ | Dec 29 02:38 |
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cubezzz | everything Intel Atom though | Dec 29 02:39 |
schestowitz | It's based on GNOME | Dec 29 02:39 |
schestowitz | Intel-tainted h/w won't last long in devices | Dec 29 02:39 |
schestowitz | Atom is a Luddite | Dec 29 02:39 |
schestowitz | x86 at large | Dec 29 02:39 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Check out Foxconn's GNOME-based OS http://netbooked.net/blog/linux-netbook-with-foxos-appears-at-fcc/ Foxconn is a *HUGE* company | Dec 29 02:40 | |
phIRCe-local | Title: Linux Netbook with FoxOS Appears at FCC .::. Size~: 17.65 KB | Dec 29 02:41 |
schestowitz | It looks like it runs off removable generic batteries | Dec 29 02:41 |
cubezzz | how much are these FoxConn Netbooks or are they not available yet? | Dec 29 02:44 |
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schestowitz | China first | Dec 29 02:46 |
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roy__ | [02:46] <schestowitz> China first | Dec 29 02:51 |
roy__ | [02:46] <schestowitz> Then the "rest of the world" | Dec 29 02:51 |
roy__ | [02:50] <roy> http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/crime/Homeless-man-charged-with-stealing-plane-8693942-80234812.html | Dec 29 02:51 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm teaching a friend how to manipulate his psychiatrist | Dec 29 02:52 |
DaemonFC | exactly what to say and how to say it | Dec 29 02:52 |
DaemonFC | and what not to say cause it gets you committed | Dec 29 02:52 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: your downstairs neighbour> | Dec 29 02:57 |
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DaemonFC | no, guy in Georgia (about 600 miles from here) that I've been talking to for over a year | Dec 29 02:58 |
DaemonFC | turned 18 last month and hi parents are holding him hostage | Dec 29 02:58 |
DaemonFC | *his | Dec 29 02:58 |
DaemonFC | withholding his state and federal ID, won't tell him is social security number | Dec 29 02:59 |
DaemonFC | manipulated his psychiatrist into telling Social Security to make his mom his payee | Dec 29 02:59 |
DaemonFC | so he has no money | Dec 29 02:59 |
DaemonFC | his mom is going around blowing his disability checks like mad money for stupid crap that's not even for him | Dec 29 03:00 |
cubezzz | wow that's awful | Dec 29 03:01 |
schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/blogs/bizfeed/185510/atandt_cuts_off_online_iphone_sales_in_ny.html?tk=rss_news | Dec 29 03:01 |
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DaemonFC | I'd like to (removed to not piss off schestowitz) that woman myself to be honest | Dec 29 03:01 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz: It's cause his stepdad won't work and his mom is on disability and doesn't work | Dec 29 03:02 |
schestowitz | She's hot, eh? | Dec 29 03:02 |
DaemonFC | and so they're trapping him there for extra income | Dec 29 03:02 |
*schestowitz jokes | Dec 29 03:03 | |
DaemonFC | not funny | Dec 29 03:03 |
schestowitz | The missinf word... | Dec 29 03:03 |
cubezzz | it doesn't sound like a good situation at all | Dec 29 03:03 |
DaemonFC | I went over what to say and how to say it next time he sees his psychiatrist | Dec 29 03:03 |
DaemonFC | then made up the highlights | Dec 29 03:03 |
DaemonFC | 1. I believe my parents are misusing my money on items that are not benefiting me. (cite examples) | Dec 29 03:04 |
DaemonFC | 2. I feel like a hostage in my own home. | Dec 29 03:04 |
DaemonFC | 3. I just don't know how much more of this I can take, it makes me feel sick and depressed all the time, I go to the bathroom and cry a lot and think of how nice it would be to die. I will get out of this place one way or another. (Don't mention a date or method or by law she'll commit you) | Dec 29 03:04 |
DaemonFC | I want to try to nudge the shrink into finding some place to live and recommending that social security gives him his check | Dec 29 03:05 |
DaemonFC | *finding him | Dec 29 03:05 |
schestowitz | Ah, the "suicide" defence | Dec 29 03:06 |
schestowitz | That's a manipulative move, unless it's true | Dec 29 03:06 |
schestowitz | BTW, see Garland's bio (Gumm sisters) | Dec 29 03:06 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: They can't prove what he's thinking | Dec 29 03:07 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dshxW6gmzBA | Dec 29 03:07 |
schestowitz | And: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNELdefMBd8&feature=related | Dec 29 03:07 |
cubezzz | Judy Garland? | Dec 29 03:07 |
schestowitz | Yes | Dec 29 03:07 |
schestowitz | She changed both names | Dec 29 03:07 |
schestowitz | For showbiz | Dec 29 03:07 |
cubezzz | damn, I'm craving pizza again | Dec 29 03:08 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Never be honest with a psychiatrist | Dec 29 03:08 |
DaemonFC | you will regret it | Dec 29 03:08 |
DaemonFC | lesson 2: Keep your story straight, they will probably make you repeat it later | Dec 29 03:09 |
schestowitz | http://me.selah.ca/blog/?p=620 | Dec 29 03:09 |
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cubezzz | ok, I won't talk about my UFO sighting then | Dec 29 03:09 |
DaemonFC | lesson 3: If you are telling something that is supposed to make you feel angry or sad, body language is key. | Dec 29 03:09 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: it's obviouslt a UFO | Dec 29 03:10 |
schestowitz | Cause you could not identify it | Dec 29 03:10 |
schestowitz | But it doesn't mean it's from another planet | Dec 29 03:10 |
schestowitz | It's just not identified (to you) | Dec 29 03:10 |
cubezzz | yeah fine, I just want a pizza :) | Dec 29 03:10 |
DaemonFC | lesson 4: Don't EVER fall for the trip up questions on the written multiple choice mental exams | Dec 29 03:10 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: cook some on a flying saucer! | Dec 29 03:10 |
DaemonFC | (watch out for the same question reworded) | Dec 29 03:10 |
schestowitz | How do you know? | Dec 29 03:11 |
cubezzz | schestowitz, you never look at UFO videos on youtube? | Dec 29 03:11 |
DaemonFC | lesson 5: Acting out violently or showing any signs of anger or rage while on the inpatient unit will get you put in seclusion. | Dec 29 03:11 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: seems like you have experience with people of that profession | Dec 29 03:12 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: I saw some | Dec 29 03:12 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: 20 years worth | Dec 29 03:12 |
schestowitz | Let me find it.. :-) | Dec 29 03:12 |
DaemonFC | I know how they act and what to say to them | Dec 29 03:12 |
schestowitz | Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZegVM4Lgmq8&feature=related | Dec 29 03:12 |
cubezzz | there's this one pic that shows this tiny guy walking around like 1 foot in height | Dec 29 03:13 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: The best way to see a psychiatrist is with the fewest possible visits to keep the government happy | Dec 29 03:13 |
DaemonFC | I hate psychiatrists | Dec 29 03:13 |
cubezzz | I went to visit a friend in a mental hospital once | Dec 29 03:14 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: why a guy and not a worm? | Dec 29 03:14 |
cubezzz | I just wanted out of there :) | Dec 29 03:14 |
schestowitz | They shouldn't look like humans | Dec 29 03:14 |
schestowitz | It's highly improbable | Dec 29 03:14 |
cubezzz | schestowitz, I don't know | Dec 29 03:14 |
cubezzz | no idea what aliens look like | Dec 29 03:14 |
schestowitz | Seven Monkeys...... | Dec 29 03:14 |
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schestowitz | cubezzz: like us, of course! | Dec 29 03:15 |
schestowitz | Same with "God"! | Dec 29 03:15 |
cubezzz | I just don't discount the possibility that the earth has been visited by something we don't know about | Dec 29 03:15 |
schestowitz | He was made to look like us | Dec 29 03:15 |
schestowitz | But we say he made /us/ in /his/ own image | Dec 29 03:15 |
schestowitz | Favouritism over baboons!! Haha. Touche!! | Dec 29 03:15 |
fewa_ | eritit sicet deus, scientes bonus et malum | Dec 29 03:16 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: you mean by "life"? | Dec 29 03:16 |
cubezzz | yes | Dec 29 03:16 |
schestowitz | Earth is visited by cosmic dust all the time | Dec 29 03:16 |
cubezzz | it's a vast universe | Dec 29 03:16 |
schestowitz | Baboons admire the sun too | Dec 29 03:17 |
schestowitz | Maybe they think it's a divine entity, a deity | Dec 29 03:17 |
schestowitz | Like a big hot and bright baboon! | Dec 29 03:17 |
schestowitz | The rays are many tails | Dec 29 03:17 |
fewa_ | the catholics have it right: 2000 years ago they could not be expected to conform to modern science | Dec 29 03:18 |
schestowitz | But the baboon can't write about this yet :-) :-) | Dec 29 03:18 |
fewa_ | and taking those words literally, from a scientific standpoint, is absurd | Dec 29 03:18 |
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fewa_ | schestowitz, neither could the native americans | Dec 29 03:18 |
schestowitz | We have the skill of passing info from one genration to next | Dec 29 03:18 |
fewa_ | and the Chinese only with a form of pictograph | Dec 29 03:19 |
schestowitz | Thanks in part to Johann Gutenberg and the printing press | Dec 29 03:19 |
schestowitz | But he didn't invst print, eithr | Dec 29 03:19 |
fewa_ | phonetics are important | Dec 29 03:19 |
schestowitz | The Asians could do it before | Dec 29 03:19 |
schestowitz | We have insular history literature | Dec 29 03:19 |
fewa_ | but mass media created propaganda | Dec 29 03:19 |
schestowitz | Like Marconi credited with radio rather than Tesla | Dec 29 03:20 |
fewa_ | church-->propaganda | Dec 29 03:20 |
fewa_ | with printing press | Dec 29 03:20 |
fewa_ | and then radio and TV | Dec 29 03:20 |
schestowitz | Sermons too | Dec 29 03:20 |
fewa_ | thats differnt | Dec 29 03:20 |
schestowitz | Congregations worked as well | Dec 29 03:20 |
schestowitz | But word of mouth is peer to peer | Dec 29 03:20 |
schestowitz | Not centralised | Dec 29 03:20 |
cubezzz | Tesla got credit after he died | Dec 29 03:21 |
cubezzz | not ideal of course | Dec 29 03:21 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZegVM4Lgmq8&feature=related | Dec 29 03:21 |
schestowitz | AT&T is a propaganda tool | Dec 29 03:21 |
schestowitz | !google AT&T censored bands | Dec 29 03:21 |
phIRCe-local | [1] - AT&T | Wireless, DSL Internet, U-verse, Digital TV, and Phone Service | http://www.att.com/ | Dec 29 03:21 |
phIRCe-local | [2] - Play Games - Free Online Games at AddictingGames! | http://www.addictinggames.com/ | Dec 29 03:21 |
phIRCe-local | [3] - Home - Appalachian Trail Conservancy | http://www.appalachiantrail.org/ | Dec 29 03:21 |
phIRCe-local | [4] - UC Berkeley - Happy holidays! | http://berkeley.edu/ | Dec 29 03:21 |
cubezzz | even Sagan didn't rule out life on other worlds | Dec 29 03:22 |
schestowitz | Nothing appropriate there. Hogwash. | Dec 29 03:22 |
fewa_ | the internet is not mass media | Dec 29 03:22 |
fewa_ | thats what sets it apart | Dec 29 03:22 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: that's different from UFOs | Dec 29 03:22 |
schestowitz | Drake equation for example | Dec 29 03:22 |
cubezzz | a lot of the Nasa guys saw stuff they couldn't explain | Dec 29 03:23 |
schestowitz | Like what? | Dec 29 03:23 |
cubezzz | I talked to one guy and he was pretty serious | Dec 29 03:23 |
schestowitz | All things can't be explained at first | Dec 29 03:23 |
cubezzz | he said "some of the aliens look like us, and some don't" | Dec 29 03:23 |
schestowitz | Like sleep paralysis, which had people believe in ghosts | Dec 29 03:24 |
cubezzz | exact quote | Dec 29 03:24 |
schestowitz | Hehe. | Dec 29 03:24 |
fewa_ | lol | Dec 29 03:24 |
schestowitz | Sounds like the alien fans | Dec 29 03:24 |
schestowitz | "They're among us!!" | Dec 29 03:24 |
schestowitz | The "reptiles"! | Dec 29 03:24 |
cubezzz | whatever :) | Dec 29 03:24 |
schestowitz | I had bookmarked one pwnage video but it's gone now | Dec 29 03:24 |
schestowitz | Censored | Dec 29 03:25 |
cubezzz | I figured that would be your reaction | Dec 29 03:25 |
schestowitz | Some people actually walk out there believing that some other people are aliens | Dec 29 03:25 |
schestowitz | Some thing that they were sent from God | Dec 29 03:25 |
cubezzz | what I _saw_ was two ellipitical blobs moving fast over the horizon, bright orange at about 2 am | Dec 29 03:25 |
schestowitz | Like Stalin, IIRC.. and Hitler | Dec 29 03:25 |
fewa_ | "space is no escape" http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~wilkins/sciandsoc/tragedy.pdf | Dec 29 03:25 |
cubezzz | believe me, I wouldn't make stuff like that up | Dec 29 03:25 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdDBxH5sZZk | Dec 29 03:25 |
cubezzz | that's the only thing I ever saw which I could really call a "UFO" | Dec 29 03:26 |
schestowitz | Maybe part hallucination? It's probable | Dec 29 03:26 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDA136FKVgk | Dec 29 03:26 |
schestowitz | ' | Dec 29 03:27 |
schestowitz | Dr. John Mack was a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and a leading authority on the transformative and spiritual aspects of alien encounters. | Dec 29 03:27 |
schestowitz | Here is Carl Sagan's "explanation" why people see UFOs quoted from hi book 'The Demon Haunted World': "It appears that all human behavior and experience is well attended by illusory and hallucinatory phenomena. While the relationship of these phenomena to mental illness has been well documented, their role in everyday life has perhaps not been considered enough. Greater understanding of illusions and hallucinations among normal | Dec 29 03:27 |
schestowitz | people may provide explanations for experiences otherwise relegated to the uncanny, "extrasensory," or supernatural." | Dec 29 03:27 |
schestowitz | ' | Dec 29 03:27 |
schestowitz | Carl Sagan on advanced civilizations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0PWOJkWgcM&NR=1&feature=fvwp. | Dec 29 03:27 |
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fewa_ | you really like the space stuff | Dec 29 03:28 |
cubezzz | schestowitz, I don't see bright (like full moon bright) orange blobs in the sky | Dec 29 03:28 |
cubezzz | normally | Dec 29 03:28 |
schestowitz | http://www.itworld.com/security/90657/the-technology-and-terrorist | Dec 29 03:29 |
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cubezzz | the contrast between the night sky and the blobs was very pronounced | Dec 29 03:29 |
cubezzz | not blurry | Dec 29 03:29 |
oiaohm | orange blobs in sky are tenchically possiable. | Dec 29 03:29 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: horizon is far | Dec 29 03:29 |
schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&q=russian+missile+ufo&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Dec 29 03:30 |
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oiaohm | We have a metorite that crossed over where I was and it changed colors 6 times before it impacted. | Dec 29 03:30 |
cubezzz | imagine a perfect ellipse that was bright orange | Dec 29 03:30 |
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cubezzz | that is what it looked like | Dec 29 03:30 |
cubezzz | didn't look like a meteorite at all | Dec 29 03:31 |
oiaohm | Orange, red, yellow, blue, green and white | Dec 29 03:31 |
oiaohm | All from one lump of rock. | Dec 29 03:31 |
schestowitz | http://www.guru3d.com/news/30000mph-meteorite-hits-german-teenager/ | Dec 29 03:31 |
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schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/06/boy-survives-being-struck-by-a-meteorite/ | Dec 29 03:31 |
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cubezzz | two at the same time the exact same size? :) | Dec 29 03:31 |
cubezzz | rather odd I thought | Dec 29 03:31 |
oiaohm | other causes include cold plasma. | Dec 29 03:31 |
cubezzz | anyways, it was really strange | Dec 29 03:32 |
cubezzz | no clue what it was | Dec 29 03:32 |
oiaohm | Cold plasma has a magnetic feild and can interact with each other. | Dec 29 03:32 |
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oiaohm | And has the habit of disappearing with a ban. | Dec 29 03:32 |
cubezzz | no sound | Dec 29 03:33 |
oiaohm | ban. bang | Dec 29 03:33 |
cubezzz | didn't hear anything | Dec 29 03:33 |
oiaohm | Did it disappear close to you. | Dec 29 03:33 |
oiaohm | Ie inside 200 meters. | Dec 29 03:33 |
cubezzz | no, I don't think so | Dec 29 03:33 |
oiaohm | Out side that you would not hear the bang as cold plasma distergrates. | Dec 29 03:33 |
cubezzz | it's possible | Dec 29 03:34 |
cubezzz | the regularity of the objects was the weird part about it | Dec 29 03:34 |
oiaohm | Another common one at night is fighter jet engines. | Dec 29 03:34 |
cubezzz | mathematically perfect | Dec 29 03:35 |
cubezzz | it seemed to me | Dec 29 03:35 |
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oiaohm | Just seeing from the right angle. | Dec 29 03:35 |
cubezzz | it seemed big whatever it was | Dec 29 03:35 |
cubezzz | as big as a full moon or even a bit bigger | Dec 29 03:35 |
oiaohm | something in mid air you cannot tell how big it was. | Dec 29 03:36 |
oiaohm | Because you cannot tell how far it is away. | Dec 29 03:36 |
cubezzz | relative in size, yes | Dec 29 03:36 |
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cubezzz | if you look you'll see pictures which look similar | Dec 29 03:36 |
oiaohm | I know from people panicing about a large bit falling in a plain and all it was a bit of A4 paper droped from glider. | Dec 29 03:37 |
cubezzz | I'll try to find one | Dec 29 03:37 |
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oiaohm | Most people said it was a few meters accross cubezzz | Dec 29 03:37 |
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oiaohm | Yes a bit of a4 paper falling. | Dec 29 03:37 |
cubezzz | ok the brightness of the objects was very striking | Dec 29 03:37 |
cubezzz | not like a plane or anything like that | Dec 29 03:37 |
schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2009/12/gop-candidate-rumors-opponent-gay/ | Dec 29 03:38 |
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oiaohm | Have you ever seen fighter jet after burners cubezzz | Dec 29 03:38 |
cubezzz | yes | Dec 29 03:38 |
schestowitz | Sonic BOOM! | Dec 29 03:38 |
oiaohm | It would be really odd to be brighter than that. | Dec 29 03:39 |
cubezzz | I'd tend to hear fighter jets, they are pretty noisey | Dec 29 03:39 |
oiaohm | After burning does not have to Sonic BOOM. | Dec 29 03:39 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d9A2oq1N38 | Dec 29 03:39 |
oiaohm | If you are dump and burning you are not moving that fast. | Dec 29 03:39 |
oiaohm | Just clearing fuel. | Dec 29 03:39 |
oiaohm | Ie how you burn decides if its for speed or not. | Dec 29 03:40 |
oiaohm | Air presures the right way can block the noise of a jet getting to ground as well. | Dec 29 03:40 |
oiaohm | Even if the jet is Sonic | Dec 29 03:40 |
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schestowitz | > I went to business credit cards for Citibank just now at home, look what | Dec 29 03:41 |
schestowitz | > popped up in Firefox and Ubuntu (attached). Here in US we still have | Dec 29 03:41 |
schestowitz | > websites that only honor Microsoft's Internet Explorer. | Dec 29 03:41 |
cubezzz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/03/royal_navy_vs_ufos/ | Dec 29 03:42 |
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cubezzz | ok, I know people like to joke about stuff like this | Dec 29 03:43 |
cubezzz | but there's a lot of orange blob UFO sightings | Dec 29 03:43 |
cubezzz | I know it sounds ridiculous | Dec 29 03:43 |
oiaohm | There are a lot of causes to orange blobs in air. | Dec 29 03:44 |
oiaohm | Problem is most people who see them as UFO don't research out and cansel out the possiable causes. | Dec 29 03:44 |
oiaohm | Jets are the simplest to rule out. | Dec 29 03:44 |
oiaohm | Plasma balls are a very hard to rule out. | Dec 29 03:45 |
oiaohm | Metorites are also tricky to rule out. | Dec 29 03:45 |
cubezzz | I guess it could have been a plasma ball | Dec 29 03:45 |
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cubezzz | but the colour was completely uniform, that's the weird part | Dec 29 03:45 |
oiaohm | Plasma balls are known for completely uniform. | Dec 29 03:46 |
cubezzz | hmmm, ok | Dec 29 03:46 |
oiaohm | The engey in the ball lights up its area equally. | Dec 29 03:46 |
oiaohm | We are still trying to work out how to make cold plasma balls. | Dec 29 03:47 |
oiaohm | Dependably. | Dec 29 03:47 |
oiaohm | Ie we can make some but we also get some hot plasma balls as well. Hot plasma balls are not particularly fun when they run into anything. | Dec 29 03:47 |
oiaohm | ie hot plasma balls make a mother of a hole in what ever they hit. | Dec 29 03:48 |
oiaohm | Cold are perfectly safe as long as they hit earthed metal and will damage nothing. Ok hit electronics they are fried. | Dec 29 03:49 |
cubezzz | is that anything like this: | Dec 29 03:49 |
cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe | Dec 29 03:49 |
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schestowitz | Oh, flights become more of a nuisance now, for no justifiable, defensible reason. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/us/29security.html?_r=1 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_airline_attack_regulations "They won't be allowed access to carryon baggage or to have any items on their laps." | Dec 29 03:50 |
oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ball_lightning_appears_cropped.jpg Was it this kind of orange cubezzz | Dec 29 03:51 |
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oiaohm | That ball lightning is show the color air natrually puts off if highly charged. cubezzz | Dec 29 03:51 |
cubezzz | the colour is similar | Dec 29 03:52 |
cubezzz | but there was no tendrils or anything like that | Dec 29 03:52 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ball_lightning.png | Dec 29 03:52 |
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cubezzz | what I saw looked like an ellipse | Dec 29 03:52 |
cubezzz | and there was two of them | Dec 29 03:52 |
oiaohm | The colour is key. | Dec 29 03:53 |
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oiaohm | If its that colour or close it could be just air effected by high charge with a geneted field making it take a shape. | Dec 29 03:54 |
oiaohm | Ball lighting and all other forms of cold plasma can take almost any shape cubezzz | Dec 29 03:54 |
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oiaohm | But there colors are limited. | Dec 29 03:55 |
cubezzz | if it was lightning I wouldn't I have hear thunder afterwards? | Dec 29 03:55 |
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oiaohm | Nop ball lighting forms when it don't hit ground. | Dec 29 03:55 |
oiaohm | It can form in mid air with no path to make a sound. | Dec 29 03:56 |
cubezzz | well, that's as good an explanation as any | Dec 29 03:56 |
oiaohm | I am sure its not this plasma http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Water_plasma.jpg | Dec 29 03:56 |
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schestowitz | "In a 1960 study 5% of the US population reported having witnessed ball lightning.[2][3] Another study analyzed reports of 10,000 cases.[2][4]" | Dec 29 03:56 |
schestowitz | My desire to board planes is waning not just because" of pollution but the increased inconvenience... maybe we'll just be put in plane cages 10 years from now :-) | Dec 29 03:57 |
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cubezzz | yeah I don't want to go on a plane either | Dec 29 03:57 |
oiaohm | You can get a mix between water plasma and air plasma as well making a color slightly off cubezzz | Dec 29 03:57 |
oiaohm | plane is most of the time. | Dec 29 03:57 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/24/ddos_attack_ultradns_december_09/ | Dec 29 03:58 |
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oiaohm | Unless the ball plasma decides to form inside the aircraft. | Dec 29 03:58 |
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oiaohm | Personally I suspect a lot more people see ball lighting and call it UFO because they don't id the color as owning to ball lightning | Dec 29 03:59 |
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Ender2070 | theres IS a correlation between those who say "that guy is foaming at the mouth" and pro microsoft commenters | Dec 29 04:02 |
Ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=516&cpage=1#comment-466 | Dec 29 04:02 |
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schestowitz | http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/322-Body-By-Victoria.html | Dec 29 04:05 |
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cubezzz | I'm not seeing a lot of rational discussion about the "merits" of windows and Microsoft | Dec 29 04:05 |
cubezzz | it's more people flaming each other | Dec 29 04:06 |
Ender2070 | yes, im done adding to it myself | Dec 29 04:07 |
Ender2070 | none of them have reading comprehension | Dec 29 04:07 |
Ender2070 | or | Dec 29 04:08 |
Ender2070 | the famous upton sinclair quote | Dec 29 04:08 |
Ender2070 | It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it. | Dec 29 04:09 |
cubezzz | it's hard to understand the hatred directed towards FOSS though | Dec 29 04:09 |
cubezzz | if you don't like it just don't use it | Dec 29 04:10 |
Ender2070 | i know | Dec 29 04:11 |
Ender2070 | who can hate the idea of having source code for everything? | Dec 29 04:11 |
Ender2070 | besides someone who doesn't want to give it away | Dec 29 04:11 |
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cubezzz | turning it around, I can understand the hate towards Microsoft as it's shoved down everyone's throat | Dec 29 04:12 |
cubezzz | but the Freedman testimony really showed Microsoft in a bad light | Dec 29 04:12 |
cubezzz | it's got to have an effect | Dec 29 04:12 |
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Ender2070 | "This article is a mishmash of paranioa, ignorance, hyprocrisy and blatant lies." LOL | Dec 29 04:13 |
cubezzz | well the testimonies are public now | Dec 29 04:13 |
cubezzz | it speaks for itself | Dec 29 04:13 |
Ender2070 | pretty much | Dec 29 04:14 |
DaemonFC | I'm gathering up all my XBOX 360 games | Dec 29 04:15 |
DaemonFC | putting them up for sale on Craigslist | Dec 29 04:15 |
DaemonFC | with the console | Dec 29 04:15 |
DaemonFC | and all my original XBOX games too | Dec 29 04:15 |
cubezzz | it's almost a weird form of astro-turfing where people who aren't even FOSS users are pretending they are FOSS users | Dec 29 04:15 |
cubezzz | then they actually bad mouth FOSS! | Dec 29 04:16 |
DaemonFC | I'm talking in here through Chatzilla | Dec 29 04:16 |
DaemonFC | that's FOSS :) | Dec 29 04:16 |
cubezzz | good for you :) | Dec 29 04:16 |
DaemonFC | of course I know very few Windows users that actually use Internet Explorer | Dec 29 04:16 |
DaemonFC | personally, I'm happy with anything but that | Dec 29 04:17 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "..pay 25 quid [per year] to prop up the music industry's failed business model.." http://ur1.ca/intk | Dec 29 04:17 | |
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cubezzz | on my blog, I just stick with positive FOSS comments | Dec 29 04:18 |
cubezzz | I barely enough talk about Microsoft's machinations | Dec 29 04:18 |
cubezzz | enough=even | Dec 29 04:18 |
DaemonFC | if I had it to do over again, I would not have bought my XBOX 360 and gotten its seven replacements at no extra charge :P | Dec 29 04:19 |
DaemonFC | I would have either gotten a PS3 or just waited for a Wii to make it to the shelves | Dec 29 04:19 |
DaemonFC | that's unreasonable that I have gone through a console every 3 months or so on average | Dec 29 04:20 |
DaemonFC | my original Nintendo still works | Dec 29 04:20 |
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DaemonFC | my original Sega Genesis works | Dec 29 04:20 |
DaemonFC | my original Nintendo 64 works | Dec 29 04:20 |
DaemonFC | my Dreamcast works | Dec 29 04:20 |
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cubezzz | the inescapable conclusion: XBOX sux! | Dec 29 04:21 |
DaemonFC | I've never in my life had to send a game console back in | Dec 29 04:21 |
DaemonFC | XBOX 360 made me send seven in to be replaced inside 4 years | Dec 29 04:21 |
cubezzz | they must be losing money on it | Dec 29 04:22 |
DaemonFC | that's not a 52% failure rate, it's more like 87.5% | Dec 29 04:22 |
DaemonFC | and this one just hasn't died yet | Dec 29 04:22 |
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DaemonFC | if it does, it would be over 90% failure rate | Dec 29 04:22 |
cubezzz | cdrom based devices do fail more often | Dec 29 04:23 |
DaemonFC | that ought to tell you how far Microsoft has gone to cover this up | Dec 29 04:23 |
cubezzz | the spindle motor or stepper motor goes, the laser pickup goes | Dec 29 04:23 |
DaemonFC | that's not the problem | Dec 29 04:23 |
cubezzz | it just doesn't have good longevity | Dec 29 04:23 |
DaemonFC | they all died of the overheat problem | Dec 29 04:23 |
Ender2070 | happens more often if you smoke | Dec 29 04:23 |
cubezzz | oh I see | Dec 29 04:23 |
DaemonFC | Ender2070: I smoked for a while but I went outside | Dec 29 04:24 |
cubezzz | bad design obviously | Dec 29 04:24 |
DaemonFC | if you smoke inside, it coats the walls, the floors, your clothes, gets sucked into PCs and game consoles and slowly ruins them | Dec 29 04:24 |
Ender2070 | the original x360's had a common issue that required hanging the power adapter off something | Dec 29 04:24 |
DaemonFC | it's still playable in the winter, if you take it outside with you | Dec 29 04:25 |
DaemonFC | yay! | Dec 29 04:25 |
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DaemonFC | 25% of the fun for 100% of the price | Dec 29 04:25 |
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DaemonFC | Ender2070: I got all wound up over the specs, which would beat even the fastest gaming computer of 2005 | Dec 29 04:26 |
cubezzz | who does quality control at Microsoft? :) | Dec 29 04:26 |
DaemonFC | but even this PC has more raw processing power than the 360 does | Dec 29 04:26 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft is gonna have to come out with a new console within a year or two most likely | Dec 29 04:27 |
cubezzz | processing power != fun | Dec 29 04:27 |
DaemonFC | meh, there's only really one thing you see with Microsoft and Sony, lots of bad first person shooters | Dec 29 04:27 |
DaemonFC | they pepper in a few bad RPGs to round it all up | Dec 29 04:28 |
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Ender2070 | I like my ds and my wii | Dec 29 04:29 |
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Ender2070 | the dsi isnt good, missing gba slot | Dec 29 04:29 |
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DaemonFC | I found my HALO disc :P | Dec 29 04:33 |
DaemonFC | first game I got for the XBOX, 2004 | Dec 29 04:34 |
DaemonFC | the XBOX version sucked, it predates XBOX Live | Dec 29 04:34 |
DaemonFC | so there's no multiplayer at all | Dec 29 04:34 |
DaemonFC | HALO was what all the demo machines were running back in 2001 (I think), I just couldn't afford the system back then (17 years old, think I had a paper route that gave me $15-$20 a week) | Dec 29 04:36 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft bought an entire company just so they could have one title that year that didn't blow | Dec 29 04:39 |
DaemonFC | Ender2070: XBOX 360 Pro with 20 GB hard drive, one wireless controller, and 9 360 games plus 5 XBOX games | Dec 29 05:03 |
DaemonFC | $160 sound about right? | Dec 29 05:03 |
DaemonFC | higher, lower? | Dec 29 05:03 |
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oiaohm | Xbox 360s have lots of probems. | Dec 29 06:00 |
oiaohm | Everything from being asembled without heat compond to defective wiring on cooling fans. | Dec 29 06:00 |
oiaohm | The drives don't get a chance to fail. | Dec 29 06:01 |
oiaohm | Before everything else does. | Dec 29 06:01 |
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TheMadHatter | Anyone home? | Dec 29 06:18 |
TheMadHatter | ??? | Dec 29 06:22 |
oiaohm | Kinda | Dec 29 06:23 |
TheMadHatter | Want a good laugh? | Dec 29 06:23 |
TheMadHatter | Updated: Barry the Inaccurate http://bit.ly/6ermyT #cria #torrent #riaa #wipo #lobbyist #inaccurate #lostinspace | Dec 29 06:23 |
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TheMadHatter | I've been having a little fun. | Dec 29 06:24 |
Ender2070 | hey madhatter | Dec 29 06:26 |
TheMadHatter | hey | Dec 29 06:40 |
Ender2070 | I run pwnage.ca | Dec 29 06:49 |
DaemonFC | this guy just emailed me about the 360 | Dec 29 06:51 |
DaemonFC | offered me an old, OLD OLD computer in trade for it | Dec 29 06:51 |
DaemonFC | I want cash, not something I could find by dumpster diving | Dec 29 06:51 |
DaemonFC | I'd take 180 Confederate Dollars before I took his computer | Dec 29 06:52 |
TheMadHatter | RSS? | Dec 29 06:53 |
TheMadHatter | yep, you got RSS. | Dec 29 06:54 |
TheMadHatter | I'm fighting with Word Press, trying to get it installed. | Dec 29 06:55 |
Ender2070 | I have my own server, didnt find it too hard | Dec 29 06:55 |
TheMadHatter | Got server. FTP is the issue. That and I have a nasty head cold, so I'm not thinking to sharp. | Dec 29 06:56 |
Ender2070 | what server os | Dec 29 06:58 |
Ender2070 | ubuntu has a pretty easy vsftp guide | Dec 29 06:58 |
Ender2070 | http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=50356 | Dec 29 06:58 |
Ender2070 | ops | Dec 29 06:58 |
Ender2070 | https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html | Dec 29 06:58 |
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TheMadHatter | not sure, some sort of 'nix | Dec 29 07:00 |
DaemonFC | I don't suppose anyone here wants to buy an XBOX 360 off me | Dec 29 07:01 |
DaemonFC | I could trade it into Amazon for $56 of store credit | Dec 29 07:02 |
DaemonFC | :P | Dec 29 07:02 |
DaemonFC | that'd get me one Wii game and lunch | Dec 29 07:02 |
DaemonFC | lol | Dec 29 07:02 |
TheMadHatter | http://independentfilmblog.com/archives/to-free-or-not-to-free/ | Dec 29 07:02 |
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DaemonFC | I noticed those places pay a lot more if you take it as store credit | Dec 29 07:03 |
DaemonFC | for obvious reasons | Dec 29 07:03 |
DaemonFC | still not even half what I want for the damned thing | Dec 29 07:04 |
TheMadHatter | leesee - u got XB360 w/spyware, PS3 w/spyware, wii w/spyware. Nexgen console=nexgen spyware | Dec 29 07:07 |
TheMadHatter | gimee a ps2 | Dec 29 07:07 |
Ender2070 | ds is pretty good too | Dec 29 07:08 |
DaemonFC | spyware? | Dec 29 07:08 |
DaemonFC | Don't give it an internet connection if you're that worried, problem solved | Dec 29 07:08 |
TheMadHatter | ps3 no choice - it dies if it can't talk to mommy | Dec 29 07:10 |
TheMadHatter | anyway, just had to say hi. Keep an eye on madhatter.ca, should be up soon. | Dec 29 07:20 |
DaemonFC | Ender2070: I'm bidding on a new Wii | Dec 29 07:27 |
DaemonFC | on ebay | Dec 29 07:27 |
DaemonFC | wish me luck | Dec 29 07:27 |
DaemonFC | shipping is $12.55, so I can go to $187.44 before I break even with the store | Dec 29 07:29 |
DaemonFC | I won't go past $170 though | Dec 29 07:29 |
DaemonFC | that would leave me with a cool $17.44 in my pocket :P | Dec 29 07:30 |
DaemonFC | almost enough to grab a million seller game | Dec 29 07:30 |
DaemonFC | I just had someone email me asking if I'd take a trade for the 360, I shot a reply back saying it depends what they were offering | Dec 29 07:35 |
DaemonFC | why don't they just tell you what they want to trade? | Dec 29 07:36 |
DaemonFC | I love ebay and Craigslist | Dec 29 07:37 |
DaemonFC | it's like running my own little war room | Dec 29 07:37 |
DaemonFC | "Kee - Well I would have 3 items right off hand to offer, One being a Military issue laptop, second being a 12" performance sub, and third being a paintball gun (Spyder Victor) let me know. I have pictures, and posts of each item.." | Dec 29 07:38 |
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DaemonFC | "Ryan F. to Kee - What are the specs on the laptop. CPU/RAM/GPU/Hard Disk/OS By "military issue", do you mean shock resistant, EM hardened, etc?" | Dec 29 07:41 |
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DaemonFC | If I could get a powerful ruggedized EM pulse resistant laptop for that 360, it's theirs | Dec 29 07:42 |
DaemonFC | lol | Dec 29 07:42 |
DaemonFC | that thing would be worth having for the bragging rights alone | Dec 29 07:42 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Watch it be stolen and I have Delta Force kicking my door down | Dec 29 07:44 |
DaemonFC | :P | Dec 29 07:44 |
DaemonFC | oiaohm: What is PC-CDE? | Dec 29 07:53 |
DaemonFC | this guy listed that as the OS | Dec 29 07:53 |
DaemonFC | I don't know why everyone has to offer me garbage out of the attic | Dec 29 07:58 |
DaemonFC | it says $180 US Dollars | Dec 29 07:58 |
DaemonFC | clearly | Dec 29 07:58 |
DaemonFC | not "your dusty PC from 1999" | Dec 29 08:00 |
DaemonFC | I already have a PC graveyard in my closet going back to 1991 | Dec 29 08:00 |
DaemonFC | I'd stocked up on obsolete crap I'm never going to use again | Dec 29 08:00 |
DaemonFC | :) | Dec 29 08:00 |
DaemonFC | *I'm | Dec 29 08:00 |
DaemonFC | I'm a packrat when it comes to PC hardware | Dec 29 08:01 |
DaemonFC | I still have my old 386 laptop from 1991 | Dec 29 08:01 |
DaemonFC | still works | Dec 29 08:01 |
DaemonFC | I don't know that I could find any parallel port printers to hook up to it, but it works :) | Dec 29 08:02 |
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oiaohm | http://xwinman.org/cde.php Ok that is cde Ok he is gone. | Dec 29 09:48 |
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Omar87 | Hi all. | Dec 29 09:54 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: are you there? | Dec 29 09:54 |
Omar87 | anyone here? | Dec 29 09:57 |
kecskebak | I'm sort of here, but I'm working too | Dec 29 09:59 |
kecskebak | Hi Omar87 | Dec 29 09:59 |
Omar87 | kecskebak: hey | Dec 29 09:59 |
kecskebak | I tend to have IRC on the panel and look at it when I want a break | Dec 29 10:00 |
Omar87 | The Redmond demons are becoming more active in my country (Jordan) than ever, they're working on reatctivating and relaunching all the .NET clubs in the country. Can you please suggest some ways we can fight back? | Dec 29 10:01 |
Omar87 | .NET clubs are student groups that can be found in almost every university in the country. They mostly consist of a bunch of idiots (students) who know nothing, at all, but the M$ kool-aide, and all the do is basically arrange M$ marketing campaigns. | Dec 29 10:04 |
Omar87 | they* do | Dec 29 10:04 |
Omar87 | Or, to be more accurate, M$ Mass Hypnosis Campaigns. | Dec 29 10:05 |
kecskebak | Roy would probably be the best person to ask about this | Dec 29 10:05 |
kecskebak | Shame popey doesn't come here any more - he knew all about the workings of setting up a successful Linux User Group | Dec 29 10:05 |
Omar87 | kecskebak: we have a Linux Users Group, or so they used to call it. But now they basically do nothing at all. | Dec 29 10:06 |
kecskebak | Yes, that's a shame. Is there a Jordanian podcast? | Dec 29 10:07 |
Omar87 | Also, we have founded a Open Source Association (although I hate the naming, but it's better than nothing). | Dec 29 10:07 |
kecskebak | Something like the Ubuntu UK pod for Jordan. If you could afford the hosting that may be something you and a couple of friends could do | Dec 29 10:07 |
kecskebak | There are a huge number of people who listen to the Ubuntu pod who don't use Ubuntu or even GNU/Linux | Dec 29 10:08 |
kecskebak | The UK relaxed presentation of the pod is deceptive - there is obviously a LOT of work behind it, but if there are just one or two of you and you have enough free time then that's probably a very effective way to make a difference | Dec 29 10:11 |
Omar87 | kecskebak: I'm thinking of establishing a BN-like community here in Jordan. | Dec 29 10:16 |
kecskebak | Blog, IRC channel, Podcast - they all help | Dec 29 10:17 |
kecskebak | A lot of work though | Dec 29 10:19 |
schestowitz | Just got this: | Dec 29 10:33 |
schestowitz | > Thanks, Roy. What a rogue outfit that Microsoft. Firefox is now the | Dec 29 10:33 |
schestowitz | > most popular browser even for Microsoft Windows all versions, and they | Dec 29 10:33 |
schestowitz | > still require that only a Microsoft product be used, which also | Dec 29 10:33 |
schestowitz | > eliminates all other browsers. I don't have that problem with Bank of | Dec 29 10:33 |
schestowitz | > America, USAA Bank nor PayPal. It's rather sad that I must retain | Dec 29 10:33 |
schestowitz | > Windows for the sake of work. | Dec 29 10:33 |
schestowitz | Bill's Forces are still ruining banks | Dec 29 10:33 |
schestowitz | Mazing,. | Dec 29 10:34 |
schestowitz | Omar87: put flyers up, teach people about how Microsoft robs Jordan | Dec 29 10:34 |
schestowitz | Show their crimes, too, briefly | Dec 29 10:34 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: yeah, I think I should do so. | Dec 29 10:34 |
schestowitz | Don't preach only to the converted; you can at least spread information. | Dec 29 10:35 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: I'm probably going to establish a BN-like campaign in Jordan. | Dec 29 10:35 |
schestowitz | I bet people around you think that the criminal known as Ballmer and Bill is actually businessman/men | Dec 29 10:35 |
schestowitz | That's because there's PR | Dec 29 10:35 |
schestowitz | Omar87: this one had nothing to do with me, but it had the intended effect of making people aware of Novell's role of a Microsoft marionette. http://playingwithsid.blogspot.com/2008/11/boycott-novell-protesters-man-handled.html | Dec 29 10:38 |
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oiaohm | Supprisng what free pizza can do Omar87. | Dec 29 10:40 |
Omar87 | oiaohm: free pizza? | Dec 29 10:40 |
oiaohm | It was one of the MS stunts when I was in Uni. | Dec 29 10:40 |
oiaohm | If you would push MS you would get free pizza. | Dec 29 10:40 |
Omar87 | oiaohm: yeah, I see. :) | Dec 29 10:42 |
Omar87 | oiaohm: like how they released Vista 7 betas for free? | Dec 29 10:42 |
oiaohm | Yep Omar87 | Dec 29 10:42 |
Omar87 | oiaohm: I see. | Dec 29 10:42 |
oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Student_Partners << this is the game behind the MS people Omar87 | Dec 29 10:45 |
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schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nt-u7dZbsM&feature=related | Dec 29 10:50 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: MSP scam also runs in India | Dec 29 10:50 |
schestowitz | It should be renamed Microsoft Student Suckers | Dec 29 10:51 |
schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/16/india-moves-to-free-software/ | Dec 29 10:51 |
oiaohm | Now what is so funny with these guys who are Microsoft Student Partners is when I just laughed at them. In uni I was a Microsoft regestered partner. Note Regestered partner status is free and you get access to more data without having to do anything. | Dec 29 10:51 |
oiaohm | Yes they are suxers. | Dec 29 10:51 |
phIRCe-local | Title: India Moves to Free Software, So Microsoft Fights Back with Gentle Bribes and Partners | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 240.23 KB | Dec 29 10:51 |
phIRCe-local | Now what is so funny with these guys who are Microsoft Student Partners is when I just laughed at them. In uni I was a Microsoft regestered partner. Note Regestered partner status is free and you get access to more data without having to do anything. | Dec 29 10:51 |
phIRCe-local | Yes they are suxers. | Dec 29 10:51 |
oiaohm | Also shocked them that a partner was anti MS. | Dec 29 10:52 |
schestowitz | hmm... phIRCe-local bug | Dec 29 10:58 |
schestowitz | Bribptner | Dec 29 10:59 |
schestowitz | Partner in crime :-) :-) | Dec 29 10:59 |
schestowitz | "We'll pay you, so you'll help us rob people" | Dec 29 10:59 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva with #KDE4: #Video Demo http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/29/fun-working-gnu-linux/ | Dec 29 11:07 | |
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oiaohm | Being a regestered pantner I can access information that allows me to fix windows machines faster. | Dec 29 11:09 |
schestowitz | http://www.internetnews.com/breakingnews/article.php/3855356/ | Dec 29 11:10 |
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oiaohm | Great | Dec 29 11:11 |
oiaohm | Exactly what people like me want to hear. | Dec 29 11:11 |
oiaohm | Memory shortage will put presure on items like Windows 7 | Dec 29 11:13 |
schestowitz | People will stampede and empty the shops... RAM rampage : -) | Dec 29 11:14 |
oiaohm | They are basically believing Windows 7 will sell in large numbers. | Dec 29 11:16 |
oiaohm | It don't no ram rush. | Dec 29 11:16 |
Omar87 | oiaohm: yeah, that's right. I'm starting to see this MSP joke around almost every day, | Dec 29 11:17 |
schestowitz | I've just told susan... "Would it be possible to add the date to headlines of "leftovers" and stuff? My RSS reader removes these as dupes for having a non-unique headlines." | Dec 29 11:18 |
schestowitz | I think I found a better way to manage news feeds | Dec 29 11:18 |
oiaohm | Most of them don't know they can be a full parnter and get a full action pack for about the copy of 1 set of Office either. Omar87 | Dec 29 11:19 |
Omar87 | oiaohm: I think we can possibly fight this back by convincing large educational firms to bring certifications like LPIC into Jordan. | Dec 29 11:19 |
Omar87 | oiaohm: excuse me? | Dec 29 11:20 |
Omar87 | bbl | Dec 29 11:20 |
oiaohm | As a regestered partner for about the price of a normal copy of MS Office you get like 10 copys of windows 7 1 copy of 2008 server 10 copies of Office all for you own business and education usage. | Dec 29 11:21 |
oiaohm | Note not upgrade versions of Windows 7 either full versions. So you just build and use the machines you need. | Dec 29 11:21 |
Omar87 | oiaohm: true. | Dec 29 11:22 |
Omar87 | bbl | Dec 29 11:22 |
oiaohm | Basically the MSP people have the worst regestraitons they don't get enough cheep software. | Dec 29 11:25 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Duke Nukem to Have 'Strong Resurgence'" http://bit.ly/7EMITw Along with Longhorn Forever | Dec 29 11:34 | |
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schestowitz | >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/19/verizon_snuffs_google_for_bing/ | Dec 29 11:35 |
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schestowitz | >>> | Dec 29 11:35 |
schestowitz | >>> http://crackberry.com/blackberry-messenger-fritz | Dec 29 11:35 |
schestowitz | >> | Dec 29 11:35 |
schestowitz | >> No correlation AFAIK | Dec 29 11:35 |
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schestowitz | > | Dec 29 11:35 |
schestowitz | > If there are staff stupid enough to go along with the first, and | Dec 29 11:35 |
schestowitz | > managers fucked up enough to propose it or enforce it, then it is no | Dec 29 11:35 |
schestowitz | > surprise that the service lacks the ability to keep going reliably. The | Dec 29 11:35 |
schestowitz | > microsoft mindset strikes. | Dec 29 11:35 |
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schestowitz | Support CMD's Fight Against King Coal http://www.prwatch.org/node/8790 | Dec 29 12:24 |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] NorhTec Gecko netbook runs on AA batteries and can have all parts swapped out and runs !Linux, only $200 http://ur1.ca/iod3 | Dec 29 12:34 | |
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oiaohm | http://www.pcworld.com/article/185122/good_guys_bring_down_the_megad_botnet.html Great next level of war. | Dec 29 12:34 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Good Guys Bring Down the Mega-D Botnet - PC World .::. Size~: 70.11 KB | Dec 29 12:34 |
oiaohm | How long before the bad guys fit there bot nets with self destructs. | Dec 29 12:35 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091228/0022137506.shtml | Dec 29 12:35 |
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schestowitz | oiaohm: there should not be such botnets in the first place | Dec 29 12:35 |
schestowitz | They miss the main story | Dec 29 12:35 |
schestowitz | Wintendo boxes | Dec 29 12:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Secret mobile phone codes cracked #outlawstory http://tinyurl.com/ylq8ex4 | Dec 29 12:35 | |
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*amarsh04 wonders why MinceR didn't bother to look up what Open Group "Unix" certification means | Dec 29 12:37 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb the Beeb calls encryption "Secret mobile phone codes". Spooooooky.... | Dec 29 12:37 | |
amarsh04 | it not only means passing the conformance tests but also certifying that you'll continue to pass the conformance tests and fix any reported defect in a reasonably short time-frame | Dec 29 12:38 |
amarsh04 | of course, Linux doesn't set the driver API in stone and is able to progress whereas Unix stagnated | Dec 29 12:39 |
amarsh04 | if all the source code is available, one can change the APIs if there are good reasons to do so | Dec 29 12:40 |
schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20091228/0335197514.shtml | Dec 29 12:41 |
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oiaohm | Not all of the Linux driver api is dynamic amarsh04 | Dec 29 12:41 |
oiaohm | The userspace stuff is 100 percent stable amarsh04 | Dec 29 12:42 |
amarsh04 | well, the kernel syscall interface only adds new items, doesn't remove old items | Dec 29 12:42 |
oiaohm | fuse and cuse and others are still driver api's. | Dec 29 12:43 |
amarsh04 | do you have a good reference for that oiaohm? The areas of API stability are a good way to distinguish different operating systems | Dec 29 12:44 |
amarsh04 | backward compatibility and the like | Dec 29 12:44 |
oiaohm | netfilter also allows segments to be userspace or kernel space. | Dec 29 12:44 |
oiaohm | cuse sub form of fuse will be used to push some char based drivers out of kernel space to userspace so they don't have to be maintained in kernel space any more. | Dec 29 12:46 |
amarsh04 | btw, I'm getting quite usable opengl performance on the newer pc here (amd64 dual-core with radeon 3200hd) using radeonhd and mesa from Debian Experimental | Dec 29 12:46 |
oiaohm | Basically Linux is part micro kernel and parth monolithic. | Dec 29 12:46 |
oiaohm | The microkernel style driver interfaces are 100 percent stable. | Dec 29 12:46 |
amarsh04 | yes, so much of the kernel is in modules | Dec 29 12:47 |
oiaohm | No modules are part of the monolithic. | Dec 29 12:47 |
oiaohm | The microkenrel drivers run as normal usermode processes amarsh04 | Dec 29 12:47 |
amarsh04 | yes, as in qnx | Dec 29 12:48 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Execs using complex schemes to avoid tax? These people need to be banned from tax payer benefits, like bail outs http://tinyurl.com/yea55mh | Dec 29 12:48 | |
oiaohm | The microkernel bits were added for embeded development. | Dec 29 12:49 |
oiaohm | Since they are not infected by linux kernel gpl. | Dec 29 12:49 |
oiaohm | Also once most of the alterations for rt support is done there will not be much performance difference between kernel and userspace. | Dec 29 12:54 |
schestowitz | Masnick does not know about Microsoft's coordinated attacks on NC, using paid shills. http://techdirt.com/blog/itinnovation/articles/20091222/1028117469.shtml | Dec 29 13:13 |
phIRCe-local | Title: The Evolution Of The Netbook/Cloud Computing, Again, Shows The Difference Between Invention And Innovation | Techdirt .::. Size~: 47.75 KB | Dec 29 13:13 |
schestowitz | http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3854821 | Dec 29 13:14 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Sun Reductions Will Hit Open Source Efforts - InternetNews.com .::. Size~: 147.5 KB | Dec 29 13:14 |
schestowitz | Microsoft and SAP leaned on EU Commission to harm them further | Dec 29 13:15 |
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schestowitz | Groklaw is reinventing the wheel witn Comes. | Dec 29 13:37 |
schestowitz | I should probably say it here rather than E-mail | Dec 29 13:37 |
schestowitz | Those exhibits in "update 1 & 2" I have already translated to plain text. Be sure not to start from scratch. | Dec 29 13:37 |
schestowitz | These exhibits also made the front page of Digg and Slashdot several times. They had me invited to for a television documentary, too. This is toxic stuff and just the tip of the iceberg. Comes is mostly underestimated and it's vast. | Dec 29 13:37 |
schestowitz | --- | Dec 29 13:37 |
schestowitz | Roy S. Schestowitz, Ph.D. Candidate in Medical Biophysics | Dec 29 13:37 |
schestowitz | http://Schestowitz.com | GNU/Linux | PGP-Key: 0x74572E8E | Dec 29 13:37 |
schestowitz | [ Reply to This | Parent | Delete | # ] | Dec 29 13:37 |
schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=2009122612211929&title=Reuse&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=809997#c810136 | Dec 29 13:37 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 15.01 KB | Dec 29 13:37 |
schestowitz | They are not reusing properly | Dec 29 13:37 |
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Omar87 | Hi all. | Dec 29 14:28 |
Omar87 | Back | Dec 29 14:28 |
oiaohm | http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/12/28/1931256/GSM-Decryption-Published I have read through this. Not once did they mention that a person with a open ham radio licence is allowed to listern and run gear against signals on any freq. | Dec 29 14:34 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot IT Story | GSM Decryption Published .::. Size~: 170.35 KB | Dec 29 14:34 |
ender2070 | LOL | Dec 29 14:36 |
amarsh04 | is it legal for someone with an open ham radio licence to do that oiaohm? | Dec 29 14:36 |
MinceR | it was to be expected, considering that GSM is built on algorithms that weren't properly peer reviewed | Dec 29 14:36 |
MinceR | time to move to UMTS | Dec 29 14:36 |
oiaohm | Yes amarsh04 | Dec 29 14:37 |
oiaohm | open ham radio licence people are allows to listen to all freqs and process what is there. | Dec 29 14:37 |
oiaohm | Getting a open ham radio licence is not simple. You must have the skill to build a radio from scratch and know how to do morse well. | Dec 29 14:38 |
oiaohm | Simple fact in case of war ham radio operatoers are useful items. | Dec 29 14:39 |
oiaohm | I have know of some open ham radio guys hacking stuff like sat pay tv. It is legal for them. | Dec 29 14:40 |
oiaohm | They are not allowed to disasmbe the pay tv box to work out how it works. | Dec 29 14:41 |
oiaohm | Basically if a open ham radio operatior is snooping on you. Your encrytion was lacking. | Dec 29 14:42 |
oiaohm | Ie your fault not theirs. | Dec 29 14:42 |
MinceR | that's how it should apply to everyone | Dec 29 14:43 |
MinceR | none of this "it's illegal, so you're safe" bullshit | Dec 29 14:43 |
oiaohm | Open Ham operators have rules. | Dec 29 14:43 |
oiaohm | They must inform that they have breached. | Dec 29 14:43 |
oiaohm | That is of course if they can locate who they breached and that that person is from the same country they are. | Dec 29 14:44 |
oiaohm | Ie snooping for you own gain and not telling I would kinda call illegal MinceR | Dec 29 14:45 |
MinceR | i'm pretty sure "kinda illegal" is not a legalese category :> | Dec 29 14:46 |
amarsh04 | "the vibe" of the law to quote "The Castle" | Dec 29 14:46 |
oiaohm | MinceR: Ie uninformed survalance is not allowed by law MinceR | Dec 29 14:47 |
oiaohm | Unless you have a judges approval. | Dec 29 14:47 |
MinceR | so what you said earlier isn't exactly true :> | Dec 29 14:47 |
oiaohm | Open Ham operaters don't do uninformed survalance | Dec 29 14:48 |
oiaohm | Once they got survalance working they inform | Dec 29 14:48 |
oiaohm | Ie without decoding the signal you cannot be 100 percent sure who you have MinceR | Dec 29 14:49 |
oiaohm | To be able to inform the right person you are doing survalance on them. | Dec 29 14:49 |
oiaohm | Yes the law around ham radio operators is warped. | Dec 29 14:50 |
MinceR | that isn't specific to ham radio operators | Dec 29 14:50 |
MinceR | the law is warped everywhere | Dec 29 14:50 |
oiaohm | open ham radio operationers have a licence to use any unused freqs in the full radio spectrum. | Dec 29 14:51 |
oiaohm | And are allowed to snoop around to find new unused area and then decode and identify if the people who are there should be. | Dec 29 14:52 |
oiaohm | Basically if you are broadcasting on a freq without approve and you are eating in the the freq they can use they have the right to come after you. | Dec 29 14:53 |
oiaohm | The old style unpaid police assistants of all MinceR. They are left overs of an age gone by. | Dec 29 14:55 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: nmap is illegal now, so nobody will download or compile it. Good riddance to that threat. | Dec 29 15:05 |
schestowitz | After all, nmap users always abide by the law, especially the malicious ones | Dec 29 15:05 |
MinceR | yeah, just like firearms. | Dec 29 15:06 |
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schestowitz | With firearms it's different | Dec 29 15:19 |
schestowitz | You can do house searches and confiscate weapons | Dec 29 15:19 |
schestowitz | They are manufactured, not duplicated | Dec 29 15:20 |
schestowitz | With nmap, if one person keeps a copy, it never dies | Dec 29 15:20 |
schestowitz | You'd have to kill all the drafts and burn all the books, so to speak | Dec 29 15:20 |
schestowitz | The idea of "killing" Free software is thus rather outlandish | Dec 29 15:20 |
amarsh04 | oops, missed oiaohm | Dec 29 15:31 |
amarsh04 | reply from a ham operator: | Dec 29 15:31 |
amarsh04 | > That is true in the US. There is a law that makes it a felony to listen in on any phone call, including cellular ones. | Dec 29 15:31 |
amarsh04 | > Without permission of one of the participants of the call, of course. | Dec 29 15:31 |
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DaemonFC | I've got a few interested buyers for my XBOX 360 | Dec 29 15:32 |
DaemonFC | that thing will offset the purchase of a new Wii | Dec 29 15:32 |
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schestowitz | wiiiiiiiii | Dec 29 15:36 |
kecskebak | Found out something quite odd today. Adobe Premiere doesn't seem to like fonts created in FontForge. They work fine in the rest of the Adobe Creative Suite, but Premiere doesn't seem to like them at all | Dec 29 15:36 |
kecskebak | Apparently Premiere doesn't like "corrupt" fonts | Dec 29 15:36 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] #gwibber do seem to have created a lot of bad will and lost a lot of users with their changes | Dec 29 15:40 | |
*amarsh04 wonders if the fontforge developers are aware of this and if they have any ideas on how to "clean" their fonts | Dec 29 15:42 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HDR #Benchmark Comes to #Linux http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Nzg0OA | Dec 29 15:45 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Psystar Moves to #GNU #Linux http://www.internetnews.com/hardware/article.php/3855486 | Dec 29 15:45 | |
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amarsh04 | or if is a case of drm by stealth by Adobe | Dec 29 15:46 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Massive #GNU #Linux #Server Goes to #Tasmania http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/28/sgi_tasmanian_cluster/ | Dec 29 15:47 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GIMP Move to Appease #Photoshop Junkies http://ur1.ca/iou4 http://ur1.ca/iou5 | Dec 29 15:48 | |
kecskebak | amarsh04: I don't believe the fonts are corrupt. I think the bug lies with Premiere | Dec 29 15:49 |
phIRCe-local | Title: NEWS: GIMP 2.7 has a single windowed mode | DuncsWeb .::. Size~: 47.26 KB | Dec 29 15:49 |
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kecskebak | FontForge is so strict on sticking to specifications it can be a real pain to export a font with no errors | Dec 29 15:49 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #Gwibber and Some Financial Applications http://ur1.ca/iou6 http://ur1.ca/iou7 http://ur1.ca/iou8 | Dec 29 15:49 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux #Gaming Specials for Christmas http://ur1.ca/ioud http://ur1.ca/ioue | Dec 29 15:51 | |
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kecskebak | So I think something odd is going on | Dec 29 15:52 |
kecskebak | Probably incompetence, as the Premiere titler was a regular crasher until a fix recently | Dec 29 15:52 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #AlienArena 7.33 is Released for #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/ioun http://ur1.ca/iouq | Dec 29 15:53 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Humans VS Dinosaurs (Primal Carnage), Heroes of Newerth Have New Versions http://ur1.ca/iouv http://ur1.ca/iouw | Dec 29 15:54 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at New #Sabayon #Linux Release for Gamers, #Entropy Features http://ur1.ca/ioux http://ur1.ca/iouy | Dec 29 15:55 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Foresees Expansion with #Linux #KVM http://www.crn.in/News-028Dec009-Red-Hat-To-Rev-Up-Partner-Network.aspx | Dec 29 15:56 | |
DaemonFC | Sabayon is a nightmare to install | Dec 29 15:57 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look Back at a Decent Year for #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/iov2 http://ur1.ca/iov3 | Dec 29 15:57 | |
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amarsh04 | I should be err "testing" some gnu/linux games on the new pc to see which would be suitable for Miss 6 | Dec 29 16:01 |
amarsh04 | e.g. extremetuxracer, tuxkart, pingus... | Dec 29 16:01 |
amarsh04 | she's outgrown gcompris by now | Dec 29 16:02 |
DaemonFC | well, this guy says he was calling about it for a friend who just got married | Dec 29 16:02 |
DaemonFC | so the guy is going to have to clear it with his wife | Dec 29 16:02 |
DaemonFC | :P | Dec 29 16:02 |
kecskebak | My two are into Repton | Dec 29 16:02 |
amarsh04 | can't find that in Debian | Dec 29 16:03 |
DaemonFC | I was like "Honey, look what I just bought! An XBOX 360.......for BOTH of us of course!" | Dec 29 16:03 |
kecskebak | It's not free software. Unless you Google for Krepton which is an unofficial KDE version | Dec 29 16:03 |
amarsh04 | ah, ok | Dec 29 16:03 |
kecskebak | www.superiorinteractive.com | Dec 29 16:03 |
kecskebak | works with WINE | Dec 29 16:03 |
amarsh04 | kstars is good also, as it helps with identifying what is where in the sky | Dec 29 16:03 |
kecskebak | Repton is a big hit with the people in ChessBase as well | Dec 29 16:04 |
kecskebak | It's that sort of game | Dec 29 16:04 |
amarsh04 | Miss 6 has played xboard a bit, but I'd like to have a chess engine she could play against that plays at a novice level | Dec 29 16:05 |
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kecskebak | http://xor.ovine.net/ is another good one. Not free software, but free as in beer and should work with WINE | Dec 29 16:05 |
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amarsh04 | she liked frozen bubble too | Dec 29 16:05 |
kecskebak | http://imogen.ovine.net/ another good one - again should work with WINE. Free as in beer not speech. | Dec 29 16:05 |
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amarsh04 | frozen bubble doesn't need hardware graphics acceleration either | Dec 29 16:05 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Plays Hardball with Ethics of #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/iovg http://ur1.ca/ia14 | Dec 29 16:05 | |
kecskebak | These are sort of educational play | Dec 29 16:05 |
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amarsh04 | I had commander keen running in dosbox or dosemu also | Dec 29 16:06 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Ubuntu #Mozilla Partnership Would Make Sense http://www.buntfu.com/news,page,78,topic_id,content_pages | Dec 29 16:07 | |
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schestowitz | tessier: do you know what suddenly cause the high load? | Dec 29 16:34 |
schestowitz | I'm not sure if it's bots. It was well under 1.0 an hour ago and now it skyrockets again | Dec 29 16:34 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Fought with #LiveDVD s http://techdirt.com/articles/20091228/0124587508.shtml | Dec 29 16:36 | |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's still the law in Indiana that writing a bad check can get you a public flogging with up to 20 lashes | Dec 29 16:49 |
DaemonFC | :D | Dec 29 16:49 |
DaemonFC | I wonder if they started enforcing that, how low the bad check writing cases would drop | Dec 29 16:50 |
DaemonFC | I'm now officially an advocate for bringing back public flogging | Dec 29 16:51 |
DaemonFC | child molesters and rapists should get 500 lashes in addition to their prison sentence | Dec 29 16:51 |
DaemonFC | when I am king, being flogged to death will be the new method of execution | Dec 29 16:52 |
schestowitz | > Save it in case it disappears .. | Dec 29 16:52 |
schestowitz | > ------- | Dec 29 16:52 |
schestowitz | > | Dec 29 16:52 |
schestowitz | > Richard Williams testimony in Caldera vs Microsoft (1998) | Dec 29 16:52 |
schestowitz | > Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, December 26 2009 @ 01:42 PM EST | Dec 29 16:52 |
schestowitz | > wget http://ia311511.us.archive.org/2/items/Richard_Williams_testimony_in_Caldera_v_M | Dec 29 16:52 |
schestowitz | > icrosoft_1998/Richard_Williams_testimony_1998_small.ogg .. | Dec 29 16:52 |
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schestowitz | > | Dec 29 16:52 |
schestowitz | > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009122612211929 | Dec 29 16:52 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: One woman called me an hour ago about the 360 | Dec 29 16:53 |
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DaemonFC | and explained she was on unemployment and her son's birthday was Monday | Dec 29 16:53 |
DaemonFC | and she asked me to take a post-dated check | Dec 29 16:53 |
DaemonFC | I of course refused | Dec 29 16:53 |
DaemonFC | that's what brought me to looking up bad check laws | Dec 29 16:54 |
DaemonFC | Why would I risk taking a bad check when someone will eventually show up with the full amount in cash? :P | Dec 29 16:54 |
DaemonFC | in fact, I'm not even going to take a check unless they come with me to my bank while I cash it | Dec 29 16:55 |
schestowitz | checks will be history | Dec 29 16:55 |
DaemonFC | eventually | Dec 29 16:55 |
schestowitz | phased out here in 210 years | Dec 29 16:55 |
schestowitz | *10 | Dec 29 16:56 |
DaemonFC | I don't feel like taking someone to small claims court over a couple hundred dollars | Dec 29 16:56 |
DaemonFC | and then get stiffed even if I do get the ruling | Dec 29 16:56 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: The scene in Liar Liar where the impound lots scratched his car.... | Dec 29 16:58 |
DaemonFC | left an impression on me :P | Dec 29 16:58 |
schestowitz | bbl gym | Dec 29 17:00 |
DaemonFC | Carey "You know what I'm gonna do?" Impound worker: "What?" Carey: "Nothing, that's what. Cause if I take you to small claims court you're probably not even going to show up, it'll drain 8 hours out of my life, and even if I get the judge to give me the ruling you'll just stiff me anyway! So what I'm going to do is piss and moan like an impotent jerk, then bend over and take it up the... | Dec 29 17:01 |
DaemonFC | ...tailpipe!" Impound Worker: "Been here before, haven't you?" | Dec 29 17:01 |
DaemonFC | yeah, I remember that scene pretty well :) | Dec 29 17:01 |
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DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxqLgORzmdE | Dec 29 17:02 |
DaemonFC | best movie ever | Dec 29 17:02 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riRt1kYBh38&NR=1 | Dec 29 17:09 |
shreddar | I don't understand how all these news sites can parrot this rumor that Google will sell it's own devices. (netbooks/smartphones) | Dec 29 17:09 |
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shreddar | I guess it can be one of those thing like the Kindle. | Dec 29 17:11 |
shreddar | Amazon isn't exactly in the hardware business but they still put out the kindle directly. | Dec 29 17:12 |
shreddar | Of course Google isn't a online retailer they are a advertising company. | Dec 29 17:13 |
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shreddar | I can see google internally working with the hardware because they wan't to do extensive testing on the target hardware. | Dec 29 17:15 |
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shreddar | I believed they were doing that before all of these rumors though. | Dec 29 17:15 |
ender2070__ | "Boy, you’re now part of the “faux” community..! Welcome! Well written article, good research, my compliments." -Hans Bezemer (The Beez, Comment on my blog) | Dec 29 17:16 |
shreddar | We've already known about the specific hardware requirements for along time now. It make sense they would be working with actual hardware during development. | Dec 29 17:17 |
shreddar | Plus all Android devices have been Google branded. So that not new either. | Dec 29 17:18 |
shreddar | The only thing that is out of place is the idea Google would try to sell directly the devices when they can just let their OEM partners do it. With out the risk of entering a entirely different business of hardware sales. | Dec 29 17:20 |
shreddar | I could be wrong on this but I seriously doubt Google will sell either of the devices directly. | Dec 29 17:23 |
shreddar | I imagine it's another standard form factor they are testing before they give the specs to the OEMs. | Dec 29 17:25 |
shreddar | I think MS has been doing similar thing with OEMs since Win95. | Dec 29 17:26 |
shreddar | They simply dictating what hardware the OEMs will need to be Chrome OS compatible. | Dec 29 17:27 |
shreddar | They are making sure everything works in the best possible manner. | Dec 29 17:28 |
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DaemonFC | http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/vgm/1528512475.html | Dec 29 17:43 |
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DaemonFC | well, the XBOX 360 and all its games will get me a Wii console :P | Dec 29 18:04 |
DaemonFC | part of me feels like I'm selling my birthright for a mess of pottage :P | Dec 29 18:04 |
shreddar | It's for Mario Bros. 5 isn't it? | Dec 29 18:06 |
DaemonFC | meh, I'm just sick of the XBOX 360 | Dec 29 18:06 |
DaemonFC | it has "failed me for the last time" | Dec 29 18:06 |
DaemonFC | :) | Dec 29 18:06 |
DaemonFC | let the unit go crazy on someone else next time it decides to fry itself and go E74 | Dec 29 18:07 |
DaemonFC | I'm really probably getting a great price for the used Ford Pinto of gaming consoles | Dec 29 18:07 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX-Zk_LNZWg | Dec 29 18:08 |
DaemonFC | :P | Dec 29 18:08 |
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DaemonFC | "So you won't be pushed around by the wind (like the import cars)" | Dec 29 18:10 |
DaemonFC | nice | Dec 29 18:10 |
shreddar | "Turning a product into a platform perpetuates and broadens the success of the product. This is because writing code to support even one platform is hard; writing code to support multiple, alternative platforms is exponentially more difficult. This leads developers to choose between alternative platforms, and (ideally) choose one over all others. This choice, once made, is not easily changed; code written to one platform | Dec 29 18:13 |
shreddar | In effect, once a developer chooses a platform, the developer is “locked in” to that platform. | Dec 29 18:14 |
shreddar | " | Dec 29 18:14 |
shreddar | I decided to read it after ender started posting about it. | Dec 29 18:16 |
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DaemonFC | I think Microsoft has sold me their last console | Dec 29 18:17 |
DaemonFC | 87.5% failure rate (on mine) is not even excusable | Dec 29 18:18 |
shreddar | I don't know how you can sell it to somebody in awareness of such an issue. | Dec 29 18:19 |
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DaemonFC | same way a used car salesman sleeps at night knowing what he sold you won't last another 10,000 miles | Dec 29 18:20 |
DaemonFC | as long as it runs longer than the lemon law covers it (7 days), he's made money | Dec 29 18:21 |
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DaemonFC | my XBOX 360 somehow senses when I've jsut bought a new video game | Dec 29 18:39 |
DaemonFC | and 20 minutes into it, the console fails | Dec 29 18:39 |
DaemonFC | that's how it works | Dec 29 18:40 |
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DaemonFC | Craigslist beats the crap out of ebay | Dec 29 18:44 |
DaemonFC | I would have had to get the bidding for that lot up to like $220 just to make $180 | Dec 29 18:44 |
DaemonFC | after shipping, and ebay and paypal fees | Dec 29 18:44 |
DaemonFC | if I only sold it at $180 on ebay, I'd only make about $150 | Dec 29 18:45 |
DaemonFC | they scalp you with fees for every step of the way | Dec 29 18:45 |
DaemonFC | listing fee, selling fee, fee to get your money deposited in PayPal, fee to have PayPal write you a check | Dec 29 18:46 |
DaemonFC | and then there's the $20 or so to ship the damned thing | Dec 29 18:46 |
DaemonFC | then the customer could be a psychotic asshole who finds a minor flaw in what you sold him/her and file a dispute and leave you with bad feedback | Dec 29 18:47 |
shreddar | http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=516 | Dec 29 18:47 |
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shreddar | Some of those comments are just ridiculous. | Dec 29 18:48 |
shreddar | "Is everything that comes out of Microsoft inherently malicious? Why can’t the FOSS community freely embrace the good things from Microsoft while righteously scorning the bad? Judging by the growing number of applications written in Mono, it must not be a half-bad language. Microsoft may choose to look at that as a platform victory if the so choose, but I think it is really a victory for the Free Software community who | Dec 29 18:49 |
shreddar | "This article is a mishmash of paranioa, ignorance, hyprocrisy and blatant lies. Of course, just like any other company or special interest group, Microsoft have a self serving agenda, but the author allows their paranioa to overwhelm rationality." | Dec 29 18:50 |
shreddar | That was a very thorough and clear blog post. None of it comes out as paranoia. | Dec 29 18:57 |
shreddar | The other guy is just ignoring the patent traps loading in to the Mono/Moonlight platforms. | Dec 29 19:00 |
DaemonFC | Banshee is the only decent application that runs on Mono | Dec 29 19:02 |
shreddar | Even if there was no chance of a lawsuit they clearly still have confessed to intentionally wanting to lock-in people to their standards. So yes. basically everything from Microsoft is bad. | Dec 29 19:03 |
DaemonFC | I shined up the hard disk and controllers on that 360 | Dec 29 19:03 |
DaemonFC | it all looks new | Dec 29 19:04 |
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Omar87 | Hi all | Dec 29 19:35 |
schestowitz | ender2070: I was almost alone vs mono in 2006 | Dec 29 19:45 |
schestowitz | others kept quiet | Dec 29 19:45 |
schestowitz | wb, Omar87 | Dec 29 19:45 |
Omar87 | schestowitz: hey | Dec 29 19:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza #Gaza !! | Dec 29 20:12 | |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DRI CEO: “The Biggest Risk Was That Microsoft Would Come Hell-Bent to Destroy Us" http://ur1.ca/ipa1 | Dec 29 20:20 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Canada is slowly disconnecting itself from the #Internet http://ur1.ca/ipaf #douchebags #politics #theyesmen | Dec 29 20:29 | |
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DaemonFC | it's done | Dec 29 20:41 |
DaemonFC | no more 360 | Dec 29 20:41 |
cubezzz | "You can’t make a funny successful ad to sell Microsoft, it is like trying to sell cancer" | Dec 29 20:42 |
cubezzz | yay | Dec 29 20:42 |
cubezzz | No more Microsoft at all then? | Dec 29 20:42 |
DaemonFC | I came down on my $200 price a little | Dec 29 20:43 |
DaemonFC | I felt bad for that woman that was on unemployment and trying to get her kid something for his birthday | Dec 29 20:43 |
DaemonFC | so I turned down some people offering me the $200 for it and waited on her to come here with the $180 | Dec 29 20:44 |
DaemonFC | it's not bad for a newly refurbished console, 20 games, and 3 months of Live Gold I guess | Dec 29 20:44 |
DaemonFC | I'm just sorry I put up with all the bad consoles and had so much of my money in the damned thing | Dec 29 20:45 |
DaemonFC | by the time they fixed them I was already burned out on the idea of having one in my home | Dec 29 20:46 |
cubezzz | wow, the google netbook looks very interesting | Dec 29 20:46 |
cubezzz | The Google netbook, it is reported, will run on Chrome OS (what else?) and will boast of a chipset from Nvidia's Tegra line and it will be powered by an ARM CPU (which reportedly performs better than Intel Atom and consumes less power) | Dec 29 20:46 |
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DaemonFC | cubezzz: You heard me talking about the idiot that tried to trade my 360 for his old Pentium 4 laptop with 256 megs of RAM and Windows XP, right? | Dec 29 20:49 |
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cubezzz | no I didn't | Dec 29 20:49 |
cubezzz | Richard Williams, yeah I listened to his testimony | Dec 29 20:52 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Seattle -based PCC Natural Markets Slams the #GatesFoundation for Its #Monsanto Agenda http://ur1.ca/ipcu | Dec 29 21:12 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Apparently the police have forced #torturegarden to cancel NYE, on some ludicrous pretext. Anyone got info? | Dec 29 21:12 | |
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DaemonFC | cubezzz: Not Microsoft-free, still have Windows XP and Windows 7 | Dec 29 21:17 |
DaemonFC | I think one of the more annoying things about the 360 is the external hard drive | Dec 29 21:20 |
DaemonFC | cause now games have to be written with the assumption that there's nothing to cache to | Dec 29 21:20 |
DaemonFC | some will use it if it's there | Dec 29 21:20 |
cubezzz | schestowitz, "and they I work for someone" | Dec 29 21:25 |
cubezzz | you need to add 'say' in there somewhere | Dec 29 21:25 |
cubezzz | "Subject: WinTrolls Distort What Linux Advocates Say, Then Attack Straw Men to Daemonise Them" | Dec 29 21:25 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: thanks | Dec 29 21:40 |
schestowitz | But it's a quote from USENET | Dec 29 21:40 |
schestowitz | Can't change that | Dec 29 21:40 |
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sebsebseb | hi | Dec 29 21:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Figured out where Verbal takes his nick; The Usual Suspects | Dec 29 21:57 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s #Racketeering with #Patents and Abolition of Software Patents Reexamined http://ur1.ca/ipf4 | Dec 29 21:57 | |
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schestowitz | "Only one carry on? No electronics for the first hour of flight? I wish that, just once, some terrorist would try something that you can only foil by upgrading the passengers to first class and giving them free drinks." http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/12/separating_expl.html | Dec 29 22:01 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Schneier on Security: Separating Explosives from the Detonator .::. Size~: 226.35 KB | Dec 29 22:01 |
schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/12/29/ghost-tweeting-the-real-phantom-menace-2?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WebpronewsTopNewsRssFeed+%28Top+News+Items+-+WebProNews%29 "Earlier in the year, Guy Kawasaki kind of got the search marketers buzzing about this a little bit at SES New York when he admitted he employs people to post updates on his Twitter account." | Dec 29 22:03 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Ghost Tweeting: The Real Phantom Menace | WebProNews .::. Size~: 38.69 KB | Dec 29 22:03 |
schestowitz | Master shill | Dec 29 22:03 |
schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2009/12/simmons-obama-emboldened-terrorists/ | Dec 29 22:04 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Fox guest: Obama emboldened terrorists | Raw Story .::. Size~: 45.27 KB | Dec 29 22:04 |
schestowitz | FAUX! | Dec 29 22:04 |
schestowitz | http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=49833 | Dec 29 22:05 |
schestowitz | "U.S. intelligence has concluded that the document published recently by the Times of London, which purportedly describes an Iranian plan to do experiments on what the newspaper described as a "neutron initiator" for an atomic weapon, is a fabrication, according to a former Central Intelligence Agency official." | Dec 29 22:05 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Now running: Latest Chromium build (4.0.285.0) | Dec 29 22:09 | |
schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/27/us-terror-flight-abdulmutallab-charged RMS: "So what's an airplane doing with a flammable material in the cabin wall? That's what needs the attention." | Dec 29 22:09 |
schestowitz | http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/etn/dic/exec-sum.aspx | Dec 29 22:13 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theplasticsurgerychannel.com/celebrity-plastic-surgery/charlie-sheen-take-it-all-off.html | Dec 29 22:21 |
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schestowitz | Hey, wallc_ | Dec 29 22:21 |
wallc_ | Hi, how are you today? | Dec 29 22:21 |
schestowitz | Your work is proving valuable to Groklaw | Dec 29 22:22 |
schestowitz | cday's too | Dec 29 22:22 |
wallc_ | really? how? | Dec 29 22:22 |
schestowitz | They'll probably borrow some of our EDGI stuff | Dec 29 22:22 |
schestowitz | I spoke to PJ | Dec 29 22:22 |
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wallc_ | :) | Dec 29 22:22 |
schestowitz | wallc_: are you subscribed to GPL? They do Comes now | Dec 29 22:22 |
schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009122612211929 | Dec 29 22:23 |
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wallc_ | you mean Groklaw? | Dec 29 22:23 |
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wallc_ | Yes, I've been a member almost from the start. | Dec 29 22:23 |
wallc_ | I haven't had much time to visit GL lately tho. | Dec 29 22:24 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/29/paper_plane_record/ | Dec 29 22:25 |
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schestowitz | wallc_: time off or hard time keeping up? | Dec 29 22:25 |
wallc_ | work...work...work. | Dec 29 22:26 |
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schestowitz | http://numberedhumanindustries.wordpress.com/2009/12/28/im-not-feeling-lucky-my-grievances-with-the-potential-google-of-the-future/ | Dec 29 22:30 |
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schestowitz | wallc_: someone sent me this..... | Dec 29 22:30 |
schestowitz | Billie blowing hot air, he said. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD7317WL48Y | Dec 29 22:31 |
schestowitz | wallc_: make your work be seen like philanthropy, like Billie over there | Dec 29 22:31 |
wallc_ | :) | Dec 29 22:32 |
schestowitz | But I guess for him it's also part of whitewashing a history of crime since young age when he sabotaged the computers to get time | Dec 29 22:32 |
schestowitz | I digress anyway... | Dec 29 22:32 |
schestowitz | The MSP thing is annoying omar | Dec 29 22:32 |
schestowitz | And I hear about it in other places | Dec 29 22:32 |
wallc_ | yup, i'm a philanthropist...lol. | Dec 29 22:32 |
schestowitz | Microsoft bribes schools and calls it sponsorship, then turns kids to partners in crime. It's appalling | Dec 29 22:32 |
schestowitz | People do not protest because they clearly do not understand | Dec 29 22:33 |
schestowitz | wallc_: let me look up the definition.. | Dec 29 22:33 |
schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philanthropist "Philanthropy is the effort or inclination to increase the well-being of humankind, as by charitable aid or donations." Now let's look at it closely: | Dec 29 22:34 |
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schestowitz | Monopoly abuse does not increase well-being, unless "humankind" is one company or person | Dec 29 22:34 |
schestowitz | aid and donation, does that include _investment_? | Dec 29 22:34 |
schestowitz | As in VC? | Dec 29 22:35 |
schestowitz | I guess it makes Citigroup a very large philanthropist. It lends money for returns, but unike G&M it actually does pay some tax | Dec 29 22:35 |
*schestowitz imagines wallc_ trying to get some work done and blowing hot air at that nuisance in IRC :-) | Dec 29 22:36 | |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Liverpool for the Premiership? 2 wins out of 2? lol | Dec 29 22:37 | |
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schestowitz | Nvidia delays Fermi GPU chip http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1567031/nvidia-delays-fermi-gpu-chip | Dec 29 22:40 |
cubezzz | it's easier for older ones to understand | Dec 29 22:48 |
cubezzz | I pretty much experienced the whole of Microsoft's influence first hand | Dec 29 22:48 |
cubezzz | it wasn't until fairly recently when I really clued in to all the bad stuff | Dec 29 22:49 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Bing appears to be trying to pimp itself in partnership with LBC (IMO) funny that its not mention Bing comes from Microsoft #bing #microsoft | Dec 29 22:51 | |
cubezzz | if you have no background in Unix at all, you could very well look at GNU/Linux and go "That's not for me" | Dec 29 22:51 |
cubezzz | as you may have been in the windows ecosystem all your life | Dec 29 22:51 |
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] ....Maybe MS believes that it might put people off knowing its a MS product? I wonder why that would be? ;) #microsoft #bing #fail | Dec 29 22:52 | |
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schestowitz | _goblin: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2009-12-29-001-35-OP-MS-DV-0000 | Dec 29 22:54 |
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schestowitz | " | Dec 29 22:54 |
schestowitz | Subject: Paid evangelism ( Dec 29, 2009, 16:32:15 ) | Dec 29 22:54 |
schestowitz | I know several Microsoft paid evangelists. They always find a time to talk about how good is Windows 7 and so on. Taking a beer with their friends is also a good time. | Dec 29 22:54 |
schestowitz | They are very happy of being paid to do such tasks, because it is hard to measure productivity :) They selves laugh :) | Dec 29 22:54 |
schestowitz | I would love have a job as that! Easy money :) | Dec 29 22:54 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 29 22:54 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Whats wrong with Wordpress RSS feed? An old article of mine has just popped up as if its been written today... #wordpress #fail | Dec 29 22:55 | |
_goblin | Schestowitz: Sad world we live in where people are wanting to be paid for spreading lies. | Dec 29 22:55 |
cubezzz | it's really just ignorance | Dec 29 22:56 |
_goblin | talking of which..... We've not had a "Ballmer moment" for quite some time. Has he finally realized how silly he looks on TV? | Dec 29 22:57 |
cubezzz | maybe in some cases, MIcrosoft's inner circle, there's real malevolence | Dec 29 22:57 |
_goblin | I personally would love a sequel to the Monkeyboy Dance.... | Dec 29 22:57 |
cubezzz | but the rest are just unknowledgeable | Dec 29 22:57 |
cubezzz | you have not experienced "Ballmer coming"? :) | Dec 29 22:58 |
_goblin | no....don't think so.... | Dec 29 22:58 |
MinceR | ew | Dec 29 22:58 |
_goblin | sounds......horrible.... | Dec 29 22:58 |
cubezzz | hahaha | Dec 29 22:58 |
_goblin | but probably comical | Dec 29 22:59 |
cubezzz | it was funny | Dec 29 22:59 |
_goblin | got a link? | Dec 29 22:59 |
schestowitz | http://anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3691 | Dec 29 22:59 |
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cubezzz | you asked for it: | Dec 29 22:59 |
schestowitz | _goblin: yes | Dec 29 22:59 |
cubezzz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La_u1jPLOIA | Dec 29 22:59 |
schestowitz | _goblin: like Don Dodge | Dec 29 22:59 |
schestowitz | Liar-for-hire | Dec 29 22:59 |
_goblin | merci! | Dec 29 22:59 |
schestowitz | It even rhymes, sorta | Dec 29 22:59 |
_goblin | ah yes I saw that one. | Dec 29 23:00 |
_goblin | 2006? | Dec 29 23:00 |
_goblin | "the bone doesn't fall out of our mouth easily.." | Dec 29 23:00 |
_goblin | lol, you couldn't make this stuff up | Dec 29 23:00 |
cubezzz | 3 years ago, so probably | Dec 29 23:00 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: _goblin is the one organising all the parties | Dec 29 23:00 |
schestowitz | He ordered party pack for Vista 7 launch | Dec 29 23:01 |
schestowitz | And ebayed it | Dec 29 23:01 |
schestowitz | He "Celebrated FOSS" | Dec 29 23:01 |
_goblin | before I forget..... | Dec 29 23:01 |
cubezzz | stuff like that makes me nostalgic for Amiga | Dec 29 23:02 |
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_goblin | Roy, I believe you are the Wordpress expert? | Dec 29 23:02 |
wallc_ | * schestowitz imagines wallc_ trying to get some work done... | Dec 29 23:03 |
_goblin | how do I set it up to automatically post at a certain time.? I have my new years post, but I won't be around to publish it.... | Dec 29 23:04 |
wallc_ | I enjoy IRC, but it's tough to keep up with the conversations...I work a while, then read some posts, then the phone rings and I get behind again... | Dec 29 23:05 |
wallc_ | wallclimber's a slowpoke. | Dec 29 23:06 |
wallc_ | :o) | Dec 29 23:06 |
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wallc_ | I've seen that video of Bill Gates in Conversation with Matthew Bishop before. | Dec 29 23:07 |
wallc_ | BillG is creepy...at least he seems that way to me. | Dec 29 23:07 |
schestowitz | _goblin: used to be more familiar with WordPress | Dec 29 23:09 |
schestowitz | Some considered me one of the core people :-) | Dec 29 23:09 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Terrorist group "Department of Homeland Security" brings US to a halt, again http://newstechnica.com/?p=1007 | Dec 29 23:10 | |
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schestowitz | _goblin: change time of post | Dec 29 23:10 |
schestowitz | Then it appears only at that type | Dec 29 23:10 |
schestowitz | WordPress main loop goes through all posts and only display what's past the current time | Dec 29 23:10 |
schestowitz | It used to be more complicated, maybe it's different now | Dec 29 23:10 |
schestowitz | wallc_: as long as you have highlighted messages that are addressed to you.... | Dec 29 23:11 |
schestowitz | It means you're in the loop in real time. | Dec 29 23:11 |
_goblin | Cheers Roy! | Dec 29 23:11 |
schestowitz | wallc_: as a young man (maybe early 20s) he said he wants to control the world | Dec 29 23:12 |
schestowitz | It would take effort going through archives of computer mags from 25 years ago to find | Dec 29 23:12 |
schestowitz | A lot of people bury stuff behind them in the past, sometimes to be discovered much later | Dec 29 23:12 |
schestowitz | Like stories I've heard of Bill's bad relationship with his parents | Dec 29 23:12 |
cubezzz | bad relationship with humanity maybe? :) | Dec 29 23:13 |
schestowitz | Or politician's sex scandals | Dec 29 23:13 |
schestowitz | Hitler's grandpa apparently being Jewish... and so on.. | Dec 29 23:13 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: for Gates it was a monopolistic vision | Dec 29 23:13 |
schestowitz | Judge Jackson Penfield PENNED it | Dec 29 23:13 |
schestowitz | But he grew up as an ultra-rich boy | Dec 29 23:14 |
_goblin | Maybe got something interesting..... | Dec 29 23:14 |
schestowitz | Vanity there is not like with others... like Ellison, who IIRC lived with a single monther | Dec 29 23:14 |
schestowitz | *mother | Dec 29 23:14 |
_goblin | there is a twitter user who was receiving much communication from De Icaza (and others) | Dec 29 23:14 |
_goblin | illiancyork | Dec 29 23:14 |
schestowitz | Mark Shuttleworth is a story of someone who rose with luck and skills | Dec 29 23:14 |
schestowitz | Not because he mommy knew some guy in IBM | Dec 29 23:15 |
schestowitz | And daddy's large law firm and political family could pull strings | Dec 29 23:15 |
_goblin | jilliancyork - no longer exists on Twitter. The part conversations Im looking at make interesting reading. | Dec 29 23:15 |
_goblin | scrub that.... | Dec 29 23:16 |
_goblin | issue with twitter... | Dec 29 23:16 |
_goblin | account back up | Dec 29 23:16 |
cubezzz | he never talks about Stallman or Wikipedia, have you noticed that? | Dec 29 23:16 |
cubezzz | doesn't exist in his world | Dec 29 23:16 |
wallc_ | It's not hard to imagine the Gates parents being difficult to grow up with. Sometimes successful parents place excessively high expectations on their kids...maybe Bill's just trying to gain "dad's" approval. | Dec 29 23:16 |
cubezzz | Gates and his father were on Charlie Rose together | Dec 29 23:17 |
wallc_ | Some parents are just impossible to please... | Dec 29 23:17 |
wallc_ | I remember the Charlie Rose interview...it was interesting. | Dec 29 23:18 |
schestowitz | "Genetic seeds are a fraud. ALL that does is give the seller the rights to a patent. Thereby making it illegal to collect the seeds from such..." http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/thebusinessofgiving/2010572043_pcc_consumers_express_distaste.html?syndication=rss | Dec 29 23:18 |
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cubezzz | was he really ultra-rich before Microsoft? | Dec 29 23:18 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: he does actually | Dec 29 23:18 |
schestowitz | gates talks about RMS | Dec 29 23:18 |
wallc_ | cubezzz, yes, he was, indeed. | Dec 29 23:18 |
schestowitz | And Wikipedia at least once recently | Dec 29 23:18 |
cubezzz | any links? | Dec 29 23:19 |
schestowitz | Biographies | Dec 29 23:19 |
schestowitz | It's like Gore Vidal... coming from privileged families | Dec 29 23:20 |
schestowitz | To create expanded duynasties | Dec 29 23:20 |
shreddar | Venus PatentTrap | Dec 29 23:20 |
schestowitz | Just watch how many Rockefellers you have now in government, like governors | Dec 29 23:20 |
cubezzz | what did he say about RMS? | Dec 29 23:20 |
schestowitz | And Rothschilds in finance | Dec 29 23:20 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: can't recall exactly | Dec 29 23:20 |
schestowitz | Uber troll Nathan mentioned him too | Dec 29 23:20 |
schestowitz | They are very arrogant | Dec 29 23:20 |
schestowitz | He has many followers, they just have money | Dec 29 23:21 |
schestowitz | Same with Linus, I reckon | Dec 29 23:21 |
schestowitz | They'll wear their suits and board private jets.... feeling kinda good about themselves, but they ought to be aware of whose expense it is that helps them get there | Dec 29 23:21 |
schestowitz | IIRC it was Washington who retired to some home in a state like Virginia and giving up his reign | Dec 29 23:22 |
cubezzz | I admire Tesla and Stallman myself | Dec 29 23:22 |
schestowitz | Which is rare, yet admirable | Dec 29 23:22 |
cubezzz | and K&R of course | Dec 29 23:22 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: I saw a blog commemorating Tesla today | Dec 29 23:22 |
schestowitz | Something like an anniversary or something... 50 years, I think | Dec 29 23:23 |
schestowitz | It was in a blog post about FOSS | Dec 29 23:23 |
schestowitz | http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/12/28/cnet.mozilla.firefox.upgrades/index.html?eref=rss_tech&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_tech+%28RSS%3A+Technology%29 | Dec 29 23:23 |
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shreddar | Free Energy is kinda like Free Software I guess. | Dec 29 23:24 |
wallc_ | Ha, I'd forgotten about this one. This is BillG answering questions and someone asks him about SCO...funny. http://bit.ly/4AWoPb | Dec 29 23:26 |
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wallc_ | He also is asked about software patents. | Dec 29 23:26 |
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wallc_ | Must run, have a small emergency happening here...bye for now, take care | Dec 29 23:27 |
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jose_X | hey schestowitz, I have a question | Dec 29 23:27 |
schestowitz | I wrote about it a long time ago: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/25/baystar-acacia-sco-linux-lies/ | Dec 29 23:28 |
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schestowitz | Hey, jose_X, what's up? | Dec 29 23:28 |
schestowitz | http://www.mathrubhumi.org/news.php?id=28258 | Dec 29 23:28 |
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schestowitz | Leeeeeeeeeenocsh..... | Dec 29 23:29 |
cubezzz | did you see the google netbook announcement? | Dec 29 23:29 |
cubezzz | ARM based | Dec 29 23:29 |
jose_X | i was hearing the interview with the x digital research and novell exec (drdos) | Dec 29 23:29 |
shreddar | Bill Gates: I see NOTHZINK! I know NOTHZINK! | Dec 29 23:29 |
cubezzz | Schulz! :) | Dec 29 23:29 |
schestowitz | Did you see http://www.pcworld.com/article/185561/nokia_files_itc_patent_complaint_against_apple.html?tk=rss_news ? | Dec 29 23:30 |
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schestowitz | cubezzz: yes, I love the idea of ARM based | Dec 29 23:30 |
schestowitz | Imagine chrome OS talking about 10 hours and subsidised | Dec 29 23:30 |
jose_X | i stopped at the point where novell was holding down drdos plan because of merger talks novell was having with microsoft... 1998 time frame I think | Dec 29 23:30 |
schestowitz | THen Ballmer comes laughing like he did on the iPhone and talking about some Toshiba rubbush running XP for $500 | Dec 29 23:30 |
cubezzz | aside from GNU/Linux and Mac, what other competitor does windows have? | Dec 29 23:31 |
schestowitz | ANd lasting 3 hours... for battery | Dec 29 23:31 |
cubezzz | GEM was DRI btw | Dec 29 23:31 |
schestowitz | jose_X: what do you make of it? | Dec 29 23:31 |
cubezzz | I heard all that stuff too | Dec 29 23:32 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: many | Dec 29 23:32 |
schestowitz | You think desktop | Dec 29 23:32 |
cubezzz | true | Dec 29 23:32 |
schestowitz | Apple has some iRubbish for servers | Dec 29 23:32 |
schestowitz | Nobody buys it, it's a flop | Dec 29 23:32 |
jose_X | that was the point i stopped because I was surprised. it seems novell has been involved in buying out a number of products to compete with microsoft.. | Dec 29 23:32 |
schestowitz | Like their Apple TV thing | Dec 29 23:32 |
jose_X | or perhaps to bury then through proxy. | Dec 29 23:32 |
jose_X | or both | Dec 29 23:32 |
schestowitz | Naaa.... | Dec 29 23:33 |
shreddar | Adobe | Dec 29 23:33 |
jose_X | i was just surprised.. i now have a cliffhanger to get back to after i take a break | Dec 29 23:33 |
schestowitz | Novell under Noorda? | Dec 29 23:33 |
schestowitz | And Schmidt? | Dec 29 23:33 |
schestowitz | No way | Dec 29 23:33 |
shreddar | Nokia | Dec 29 23:33 |
schestowitz | Even Messman distrusted them | Dec 29 23:33 |
schestowitz | Ronnie took just months to start talking to Ballmer and his gangsters | Dec 29 23:33 |
schestowitz | Just months | Dec 29 23:33 |
schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/185554/Psystar_Halts_Sales_of_Mac_Tool_Will_Peddle_Linux_PCs.html?tk=rss_news | Dec 29 23:34 |
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jose_X | yeah, trust level was different i suppose | Dec 29 23:34 |
cubezzz | DRI gets rolled into Novell, then Novell gets rolled into.... Microsoft?? | Dec 29 23:34 |
shreddar | Open Web Standard | Dec 29 23:35 |
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shreddar | Customers | Dec 29 23:35 |
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] FTweather. Tomorrow I work from home. (And then date with @nyecamden.) | Dec 29 23:37 | |
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cubezzz | "OK, the CEO of one of the most powerful software companies does not know who else it is playing with "SCO" I find that very hard to believe" | Dec 29 23:39 |
jose_X | btw, i stopped when the clock in the video showed around 16:45:xx (sept 22 1998) | Dec 29 23:39 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: from Groklaw? | Dec 29 23:41 |
schestowitz | Or Kennedy? | Dec 29 23:41 |
schestowitz | Or comments in his blog? | Dec 29 23:41 |
schestowitz | Or maybe BN... | Dec 29 23:41 |
schestowitz | I wrote it over 2 years ago | Dec 29 23:41 |
shreddar | Bill Gates: I have no idea were my penis is. Do you know? | Dec 29 23:41 |
schestowitz | Nobody knows | Dec 29 23:42 |
cubezzz | no, this: | Dec 29 23:42 |
schestowitz | Melinda gets gigolos :-) | Dec 29 23:42 |
cubezzz | http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/2006/12/microsoft-linux-patents.html | Dec 29 23:42 |
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schestowitz | OK, that... | Dec 29 23:42 |
schestowitz | At least he asked him | Dec 29 23:42 |
schestowitz | Niall worked for Microsoft a little later or maybe just before | Dec 29 23:42 |
schestowitz | Just before IIRC | Dec 29 23:43 |
schestowitz | He quit and said the company was too large to manage | Dec 29 23:43 |
schestowitz | He spent time trying to recruit | Dec 29 23:43 |
schestowitz | Around RSS | Dec 29 23:43 |
schestowitz | He gave up | Dec 29 23:43 |
schestowitz | http://www.cognitionandculture.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=559:conversation-hackers-trolls-argumentation&catid=32:oliviers-blog&Itemid=34 | Dec 29 23:44 |
schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/29/firefox_3_6_delayed/ | Dec 29 23:45 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Firefox 3.6 hits ice - won't show up till Spring • The Register .::. Size~: 24.37 KB | Dec 29 23:45 |
_goblin | Interesting article: | Dec 29 23:46 |
_goblin | Quote "We think Windows 7 is going to be the last really big refresh, in-mass, of the Windows client environment as we have known it for the last decade plus." | Dec 29 23:46 |
_goblin | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/121609-microsoft-windows7.html?hpg1=bn | Dec 29 23:46 |
schestowitz | Wow. What a lousy 'article' http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2009/12/29/is-google-aiming-to-be-a-hardware-vendor-/ | Dec 29 23:48 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Is Google aiming to be the next Apple? - Notebooks - Crave - CNET Asia .::. Size~: 38.7 KB | Dec 29 23:48 |
shreddar | But but Digital Convergence! But but PC Plus Era! | Dec 29 23:48 |
schestowitz | _goblin: it's Gillen the kook | Dec 29 23:48 |
schestowitz | I just ignore his inflammatory paid-for junk | Dec 29 23:48 |
schestowitz | _goblin: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:boycottnovell.com+gillen&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Dec 29 23:49 |
phIRCe-local | Title: site:boycottnovell.com gillen - Google Search .::. Size~: 24.69 KB | Dec 29 23:49 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: re http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/2006/12/microsoft-linux-patents.html | Dec 29 23:50 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Talking Linux IP with Bill Gates .::. Size~: 38.84 KB | Dec 29 23:50 |
schestowitz | http://www.niallkennedy.com/about/ he got fat | Dec 29 23:50 |
phIRCe-local | Title: About Niall Kennedy .::. Size~: 10.78 KB | Dec 29 23:50 |
schestowitz | Also uses a Mac after working for MSFT *LOL* | Dec 29 23:50 |
schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10422337-92.html | Dec 29 23:53 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Verizon sees rise of 'slate' computers in 2010 | Business Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 81.61 KB | Dec 29 23:53 |
schestowitz | Verizon signs $500m deal with Microsoft, then mocks Linux... | Dec 29 23:53 |
schestowitz | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ylmf-os-ubuntu-windows-xp,9324.html | Dec 29 23:54 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Chinese Make Ubuntu That Looks Like Win XP - Tom's Hardware .::. Size~: 106.33 KB | Dec 29 23:54 |
jose_X | microsoft is calling windows 7 a "refresh"? is that an admission that sales have been disappointed (customers yawning)? | Dec 29 23:54 |
shreddar | "Ubuntu has not been as successful as expected in mobile devices." | Dec 29 23:55 |
shreddar | Weezle words | Dec 29 23:55 |
schestowitz | http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/12/29/happy-birthday-linus-torvalds/ | Dec 29 23:55 |
phIRCe-local | Title: Happy Birthday, Linus Torvalds! .::. Size~: 37.97 KB | Dec 29 23:55 |
schestowitz | _goblin: when is your 40th? | Dec 29 23:55 |
schestowitz | jose_X: they expected it | Dec 29 23:55 |
shreddar | How successful was Ubuntu expected to be? | Dec 29 23:55 |
schestowitz | Ballmer said it would not sell terribly well | Dec 29 23:56 |
schestowitz | And he was right | Dec 29 23:56 |
schestowitz | But his PR bunnies lied | Dec 29 23:56 |
schestowitz | Cause they have to | Dec 29 23:56 |
schestowitz | shreddar: depends who you ask | Dec 29 23:56 |
schestowitz | _goblin: Linus is your senior, right? | Dec 29 23:56 |
schestowitz | shreddar: Ubuntu is Chrome OS in a sense | Dec 29 23:57 |
schestowitz | He'll eat humble pie, thus Ullen or whatever he was called | Dec 29 23:57 |
jose_X | yes, you posted on him saying nothing would match vista.. i think he was playing conservative with hope of a "surprise" but perhaps was eventually surprised/disappointed to find it was true. | Dec 29 23:58 |
jose_X | schestowitz.. | Dec 29 23:58 |
shreddar | In a sense all browsers (except IE) are Chrome OS. | Dec 29 23:58 |
schestowitz | Heh. you know what I realised? | Dec 29 23:59 |
schestowitz | Linus and UNIX turn 40 on the same yar | Dec 29 23:59 |
_goblin | schestowitz: Sorry afk....yet Linus is my senior....my dob 14/08/1975 | Dec 29 23:59 |
schestowitz | jose_X: yes, let me find it | Dec 29 23:59 |
schestowitz | It was on WIlcoxwatch | Dec 29 23:59 |
shreddar | Isn't UNIX older than Linux though? | Dec 29 23:59 |
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