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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Happy #GNU YearJan 01 00:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] bang bang bang fuckin' bang bang bang bang SNOW!!!Jan 01 00:20
cubezzz 01 00:33
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ripdoes boycott novell mean boycott openSUSE?Jan 01 00:51
oiaohmWe do have opensuse users in here so I guess not ripJan 01 00:53
oiaohmOur biggest problems is with items like monolight and mono where MS has the right to pull the right to use out from under our feet.Jan 01 00:54
oiaohmThat Novell agreed to with MS.Jan 01 00:54
oiaohmBasically in our eyes Novell sold the open source world out for there own gain.Jan 01 00:54
cubezzzI don't use opensuse Jan 01 00:55
cubezzzbut no, I don't go around saying don't use opensuse :)Jan 01 00:55
cubezzzsaying to othersJan 01 00:55
oiaohmLot of the hate against Novell would go away of contracts over stuff appeared that did truly protect the complet open source world including open source developers.Jan 01 00:56
ripwhat is monolight?Jan 01 00:56
oiaohmPeople fail to under stand how many open source developers are techincally commerical developers paid to work on Linux.  Most of MS contracts only cover you if you don't get paid.Jan 01 00:56
cubezzzreally my own real boycott is against microsoftJan 01 00:56
MinceRi do avoid *suseJan 01 00:57
oiaohmSilverlight implementation rip.  That even intel will not touch to run on Linux instead forced MS to provide them with Silverlight directly to Intel.Jan 01 00:57
oiaohmFor Linux.Jan 01 00:57
MinceRand i'd tell others not to use them even if the deal wasn't there, as i've found that *suse are of shoddy quality.Jan 01 00:58
MinceR014857 < rip> what is monolight?Jan 01 00:58
MinceRtypoed moonlight :)Jan 01 00:58
cubezzzMinceR, what do you use? I know I probably asked you before but I forgotJan 01 00:58
MinceRkubuntuJan 01 00:58
cubezzzah, rightJan 01 00:58
oiaohmI personally get driven up wall by kubuntu.  You will find everyone has there personal taste in distributions.Jan 01 00:59
cubezzzthat's definitely trueJan 01 00:59
ripok, i don't plan to run any implementation of silverlight for my browser.  and I also do not plan to use proprietary software on openSUSE... so i should be good to go, right?Jan 01 00:59
cubezzzmonolight lolJan 01 01:00
MinceRthe m$-novell deal threatens GNU/Linux users regardless of the distro they useJan 01 01:00
MinceRit's FUD against the entire platform.Jan 01 01:00
oiaohmM$-Novell deal is even a threat for Novell it only lasts 5 years.Jan 01 01:00
cubezzzdoes anyone actually use moonlight?Jan 01 01:01
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ripok, i don't like proprietary software installed behind my back... how is openSUSE in this regard... even the default Ubuntu installer installs non-free software w/o letting meknowJan 01 01:01
oiaohmMS does in there OEM partner sites.  It also complains badly when you go in there with firefox.Jan 01 01:01
oiaohmReason why I run debian ripJan 01 01:01
oiaohmAnd fedora.Jan 01 01:01
ripi also run FedoraJan 01 01:02
oiaohmNone of that sneaky stuff going on.Jan 01 01:02
ripand is one of the reason I would like to try out openSUSE... to increase my expertise as a home-grown novice sys-adminJan 01 01:02
cubezzzFedora for me tooJan 01 01:02
ripexpertise -> noviceseJan 01 01:02
cubezzzand Embedix Jan 01 01:02
cubezzz"Although Moonlight is free software, the final version will use binary-only audio and video codecs provided by Microsoft which will be licensed for use with Moonlight only when used as a browser plugin"Jan 01 01:02
MinceRafaik some leaders of the opensuse project are on novell payrollJan 01 01:03
cubezzzright there you can see the obvious problem(s)Jan 01 01:03
oiaohmTo be correct debian with custom kernel with openvz support running Fedora and gentoo contained at moment.Jan 01 01:03
DaemonFCyou can compile it to use gstreamer easilyJan 01 01:03
MinceRin my interpretation the boycott would cover opensuse as well as all other versions of Microsoft LinuxJan 01 01:04
MinceR(whichever remains today, anyway)Jan 01 01:04
oiaohmsuse was a company aquired by novell.Jan 01 01:04
oiaohmDevelopers from the suse company were not happy about the deal either.Jan 01 01:04
cubezzzto me the number 1 boycott is always the same: MicrosoftJan 01 01:04
cubezzzall other boycotts are secondaryJan 01 01:04
oiaohmSome even quit Novell over it but still work on opensuse  MinceRJan 01 01:04
MinceRyet we didn't see a fork of *suse made by original developers, independently of novellJan 01 01:05
MinceRnor did we see them all quit novellJan 01 01:05
oiaohmthe ones still side Novell are not what you call pro the deal.Jan 01 01:05
oiaohmYou don't leave a good paying job without another to goto MinceRJan 01 01:06
ripbut if you wanted a true FSF-sponsored distro... use gnewsense or utotuJan 01 01:06
rip?Jan 01 01:06
MinceRoiaohm: i would if my employer was bought by m$Jan 01 01:06
DaemonFCicckJan 01 01:06
MinceRDaemonFC: ick, the INTERCAL compiler? :)Jan 01 01:06
cubezzzyes, people want to keep their jobsJan 01 01:06
cubezzzthere are worse jobs than working for NovellJan 01 01:07
MinceRthere probably are better jobs, tooJan 01 01:07
DaemonFCMinceR: FSF doesn't do user friendlyJan 01 01:07
cubezzzyes :)Jan 01 01:07
DaemonFCthey also don't see mto care if they break half your stuffJan 01 01:07
oiaohmMinceR: Some think longer than you.  The deal ends in 5 years time.  To them they made SUSE and don't want to lose it.  Now if the deal is renewed at the 5 year mark we will see more quit.  MinceRJan 01 01:07
oiaohmOk less than 5 years time.Jan 01 01:08
oiaohm2011 the deal ends.Jan 01 01:08
cubezzzhmmmJan 01 01:08
MinceRDaemonFC: if that's the case, then nobody does user friendlyJan 01 01:09
riphas any1 here used openSUSE... does it install proprietary software behind your back?  and if so, how do you disable it?Jan 01 01:09
oiaohmYou would also notice that the mono project is getting more and more desperate to get followers.  MinceRJan 01 01:09
MinceRoiaohm: if they didn't want to lose suse, they shouldn't have sold it to novell.Jan 01 01:09
DaemonFCMinceR: Almost everything they do is pretty sadisticJan 01 01:09
MinceRoiaohm: even if this deal is over, they'll still be in m$'s shadowJan 01 01:10
DaemonFCStick a real person on a room with GnewsenseJan 01 01:10
MinceRDaemonFC: citation needed.Jan 01 01:10
MinceRDaemonFC: and don't smear FSF for proprietary driver and codec issues, as FSF didn't cause those issues.Jan 01 01:11
MinceRhw makers and codec makers and codec promoters caused those issues.Jan 01 01:12
DaemonFCdoesn't matter who caused themJan 01 01:12
MinceR015955 < DaemonFC> MinceR: FSF doesn't do user friendlyJan 01 01:12
DaemonFCit's forcing people to deal with themJan 01 01:12
MinceRthis implies that it matters.Jan 01 01:12
oiaohmBasically if by 2011 Mono and moonlight is not profitable for Novell why will they renew.   Guess where that would leave the lead developer behind Mono.Jan 01 01:12
DaemonFCoiaohm: It's worth the Microsoft kickbacks and subsidiesJan 01 01:13
MinceRusers should have the right to use their hardware and content with free software.Jan 01 01:13
MinceRDaemonFC: not if the community turns away from novell.Jan 01 01:13
MinceRand afaik it is turning away from novell. they're losing customers.Jan 01 01:13
oiaohmDaemonFC: Novell though they would be making money from the device market as well.Jan 01 01:13
DaemonFCpeople aren'tJan 01 01:13
DaemonFCthey're using more Mono every time a new Ubuntu is outJan 01 01:13
MinceRthe kickbacks are paid once, the goodwill is lost forever.Jan 01 01:13
oiaohmNo profit from the Ubuntu installs DaemonFCJan 01 01:14
MinceRthey won't pay for mono, even if it's in ubuntu.Jan 01 01:14
oiaohmBasically Novell is a business.Jan 01 01:14
oiaohmThey have to make profit they cannot send money in non profitable for ever.Jan 01 01:14
oiaohmThe sad thing for Novell is there standard Linux department is the most profitable.Jan 01 01:16
*cubezzz checks to see how Hurd is doingJan 01 01:39
cubezzzthe history of FOSS is interestingJan 01 02:00
cubezzzIn the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s, it was normal for computer users to have the freedoms that are provided by free software. Jan 01 02:00
cubezzzthen basically a dark ages of computing happenedJan 01 02:00
cubezzzof course people and companies were paying a fortune for hardwareJan 01 02:02
cubezzzthey (used to) be glad people were writing software which made their hardware more usefulJan 01 02:03
cubezzz 01 02:04
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cubezzzAn IBM mainframe operating system, Airline Control Program (ACP), from 1967 reportedly distributed its source code in a way very similar to free software.[Jan 01 02:07
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cubezzzIn 1976 Bill Gates signaled the change of the times when he wrote his now-famous Open Letter to Hobbyists, sending out the message that what hackers called "sharing" was, in his words, "stealing". In 1979, AT&T, for example, began to enforce its restrictive licences when the company decided it might profit by selling the Unix systemJan 01 02:19
MinceRsuits took over softwareJan 01 02:20
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] كل عام و غزة بخير, كل عام و غرة في انتصار, كل عام و الأقصى إلى الحرية أقرب. و كل عام و مايكروسوفت و إسرائيل إلا زوال!Jan 01 04:26
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ender2071happy new years ESTJan 01 05:13
cubezzz yepJan 01 05:13
cubezzz5 mins ago Jan 01 05:13
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Time for mailman membership reminders :-)Jan 01 05:14
cubezzzno flying cars yet thoughJan 01 05:15
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Unx time is now 40 years old!Jan 01 06:39
cubezzzhmmm, maybe the bot doesn't like tildes?Jan 01 06:39
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Judge Ricardo Urbina dismissed case against #Blackwater murderers, how do you proceed to get a Judge disbarred? 01 06:44
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wallc_I just dropped in to wish everyone a Happy New Year...Still have about 22 minutes left of 2009 here (at least, I think so, but the clock's blurry and I've had some wine...lost my glasses too :), so most folks on BN have already moved into 2010...let's hope it's a better year.  If not better, maybe it will at least be different.  Ok, must go be with my friends here (need more wine too :)  Take care, all!Jan 01 06:47
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Government fucks the Public Domain, an ongoing rape story 01 06:49
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Yfrwlfweeee happy new year n stuff ^^Jan 01 07:04
cubezzzanyone know what the heck /dev/cciss is for?Jan 01 07:51
kecskebakHappy New Year!Jan 01 07:51
cubezzzhappy new year :)Jan 01 07:51
cubezzzit's been good so farJan 01 07:52
kecskebakIt's been interesting - the fireworks in the town square exploded about level with my flat window. I've never seen fireworks explode at such close quarters before!Jan 01 07:52
Diablo-D3kecskebak: sueJan 01 08:03
Diablo-D3=PJan 01 08:03
Diablo-D3cubezzz: btw, its an HP hw raid deviceJan 01 08:04
cubezzzthey should put this stuff in the man pagesJan 01 08:10
kecskebakDiablo-D3: Actually it was very pretty. I liked the purple ones bestJan 01 08:11
kecskebakIn Hungary many of the fireworks are red, white and green for obvious reasons.Jan 01 08:11
Diablo-D3I could make a "is it because purple is the gay color" joke, but fuck itJan 01 08:13
Diablo-D3cubezzz: well, there is google after allJan 01 08:13
kecskebakDiabolo-D3: The last time I looked I didn't own an Apple Mac...Jan 01 08:16
kecskebaks/Diabolo-D3/Diablo-D3Jan 01 08:16
cubezzzDiablo-D3, it's in the linux kernel docs tooJan 01 08:19
cubezzz"This driver is for Compaq's SMART Array Controllers"Jan 01 08:19
cubezzzfor some reason I thought the dev files were documented in the man pagesJan 01 08:19
cubezzzSAK.txt is interesting tooJan 01 08:20
Diablo-D3cubezzz: compaq -> hpJan 01 08:22
cubezzzah, acquired by HP in 2002Jan 01 08:24
tessierSo now it is 2010...Jan 01 08:41
tessierWhere is my HAL 9000? :(Jan 01 08:41
kecskebakDelayed due to patent litigation.Jan 01 09:01
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tessierkecskebak: SCO again? :(Jan 01 09:52
kecskebakNo, some idiot put Mono on it...Jan 01 10:02
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schestowitz 01 10:32
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_goblinHappy new year all...Jan 01 10:53
schestowitzYou too!Jan 01 11:00
schestowitzOmar87: are you there?Jan 01 11:00
_goblingot in at 5am this morning....Jan 01 11:01
schestowitzNot much sleep then, eh?Jan 01 11:01
_goblinno :( ....although I am better off with no sleep that too little.Jan 01 11:02
_goblin*thanJan 01 11:02
_goblinThought I saw aliens last night........turned out they were Chinese Lanterns that had been released in the air....Jan 01 11:03
schestowitzUFOs then, not alientsJan 01 11:04
schestowitz*iensJan 01 11:04 far as I was concerned (until someone told me) they were definately aliens!!!!!Jan 01 11:04
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Colossal Mistake: #Verizon Puts #Microsoft Before Customers 01 11:05
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schestowitz_goblin: "I want to believe.............." :-)Jan 01 11:11
kecskebakWe'll be talking about Microsoft being run by shape-changing lizards next...Jan 01 11:12
kecskebakWhich is obviously ridiculous. Shape-changing lizards use GNU/Linux.Jan 01 11:13
kecskebak;)Jan 01 11:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #MAFIAA ( #Copyright Cartel) Runs the Country 01 11:20
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DaemonFCheh, someone is accusing Gamestop of putting new shrinkwrap on used games and selling them as newJan 01 11:36
DaemonFC 01 11:36
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_goblinschestowitz: It wasnt a case of "I want to.." it was a case of "I did...." bit of a disapointment when I found out what they were....Jan 01 11:44
_goblinand sorry was AFKJan 01 11:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft on #GNU #Linux Clones of Microsoft 01 11:53
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schestowitz_goblin: check out what Microsoft says about ylmf OSJan 01 11:54
_goblinthanks!Jan 01 11:54
Omar87schestowitz: Yep, I'm here nowJan 01 11:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Happy new year to all my friends on Twitter! 01 11:58
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DaemonFCWhy would you make Linux look like WindowsJan 01 11:59
DaemonFCit still doesn't run Windows programs (mostly)Jan 01 12:00
DaemonFCany half-sane GUI should be easy to learn in all of about 10 minutesJan 01 12:00
_goblinOr you could ask....Why does Windows look like Gnome/KDE et al....Jan 01 12:00
DaemonFCbecause Windows looks like Windows has always looked for 15 years nowJan 01 12:01
DaemonFCjust with updated eye candyJan 01 12:01
_goblinI was being flippant...Jan 01 12:01
Omar87schestowitz: "Underneath, Ylmf OS lacks compatibility with wonderful Windows applications like Conficker and Nimda.">> LOOOOL! :PJan 01 12:01
_goblinthats true....Jan 01 12:02
_goblin:)Jan 01 12:02
DaemonFCthe biggest thing I've seen Windows rip off was BeOS's taskbar groupingJan 01 12:02
_goblinand no BSODJan 01 12:02
DaemonFCit also can't run Borderlands, Fallout 3, etcJan 01 12:02
DaemonFCwhich I haveJan 01 12:02
_goblinmy life is over ?????Jan 01 12:02
_goblinget a PS3Jan 01 12:03
DaemonFChehJan 01 12:04
DaemonFCbuying one expensive machine to do what the expensive machine I already own can do, is what that isJan 01 12:04
_goblinbut you get bluray....Jan 01 12:04
_goblin;)Jan 01 12:05
DaemonFCyes, paying $30 for a movie disc is so appealingJan 01 12:05
_goblinnot that I really care since Im not fussed with gaming....Jan 01 12:05
DaemonFCwhen I can get it on DVD for $5Jan 01 12:05
_goblinor not watch it at all for free.Jan 01 12:05
_goblinbetter yet, switch off your PC and save the electricity bill too...Jan 01 12:05
Omar87_goblin: : :)Jan 01 12:05
Omar87:)Jan 01 12:06
_goblin2010 money saving tips!Jan 01 12:06
Omar87_goblin: lol! :PJan 01 12:06
_goblin;)Jan 01 12:06
_goblinI got our PS3 for free with a mobile phone contract....Jan 01 12:07
DaemonFCI don't quite get paying 600% to see the movie in 33% higher detailJan 01 12:07
DaemonFCmaybe when the price comes down, a lotJan 01 12:07
_goblinVHS?Jan 01 12:07
_goblinthats cheapJan 01 12:07
DaemonFCVHS was differentJan 01 12:07
_goblinor can get some great films at low prices.Jan 01 12:07
DaemonFCVHS to DVD gave a nearly 60% increase in resolutionJan 01 12:08
_goblinbut its cheaperJan 01 12:08
DaemonFCnot reallyJan 01 12:08
DaemonFCthey haven't put movies on VHS in over 5 yearsJan 01 12:08
_goblinyou can tape them off the TV for free.Jan 01 12:08
DaemonFCand it's hellishly expensive to buy blanks cause they don't make those eitherJan 01 12:08
_goblinhow about VCDJan 01 12:09
DaemonFCyou're better off with a DVD recorder that supports DVD-RWJan 01 12:09
_goblinnope....divx/xvidJan 01 12:09
DaemonFCyay for proprietary codecs that won't play on most playersJan 01 12:09
_goblinxvid proprietary?Jan 01 12:10
DaemonFCxvid is behind divx, and they're both based on Microsoft codecsJan 01 12:10
_goblinand Toshiba do a nice range of compat players for under £40.....Jan 01 12:10
_goblinno Xvid is not....Jan 01 12:10
_goblinI mean.....Jan 01 12:10
_goblinyes its the open implimentation of Divx...Jan 01 12:11
_goblinbut which MS codec is it based off?Jan 01 12:11
_goblin(btw tosh play .wmv too)Jan 01 12:11
DaemonFCMicrosoft MPEG-4 Version 3 Jan 01 12:11
DaemonFCI always just use h.264Jan 01 12:12
_goblinmmmmJan 01 12:12
_goblinGood enough for me:Jan 01 12:13
_goblin"A major goal of the project is to further trigger the creation of GPLed applications and to support the Free Software movement. Hence, the Xvid source code is published under the terms of the GNU General Public License, which requires that combined and derived works must be distributed as a whole under the GPL again."Jan 01 12:13
DaemonFCwell, Microsoft hasn't sued them over itJan 01 12:14
DaemonFCthat isn't to say they couldn'tJan 01 12:14
_goblinand it won't IMO....Jan 01 12:14
_goblinxvid is "out there" already and is deployed massively on BTJan 01 12:14
_goblinit would be fruitless.Jan 01 12:14
DaemonFCthere's a handful of hardware players that play VorbisJan 01 12:20
DaemonFCbut I don't know of one that plays TheoraJan 01 12:21
DaemonFCmine doesn'tJan 01 12:21
_goblinTo be honest, I don't know about my Toshiba......Jan 01 12:21
_goblinI'll have to try it....Jan 01 12:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Happy and healthy 2010 to all!Jan 01 12:23
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ml2mst Happy new year mate!Jan 01 12:26
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schestowitzOmar87:"@schestowitz I talked to the minister of ICT in Jordan recently. Smart people there. Jordan wants to become hub of OS/FS." you should ping him, he's from Red Hat.... maybe you can help. The Queen of Jordan picked Free software for her site.Jan 01 12:46
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Centrify , #Microsoft , and #SoftwarePatents #swpatJan 01 12:47
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schestowitzOmar87: so have a word with Jan; they can help you help Jordan with Free software events and stuff. To counter the Microsoft indoctrination.Jan 01 12:49
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Thank you to all those noting El Reg. I suspect this pissed off Rat-Faced Freddy much more than he let on at the time: 01 13:06
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bernie Marren is Not a #Patent Troll, He is a Patent Toll #ibmJan 01 13:17
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kecskebakSouth Somerset Atrocity Terrier? I went to school with several...Jan 01 13:17
kecskebakSome interesting health news... 01 13:22
schestowitzHehe.Jan 01 13:24
schestowitzDawkins did a good documentary about theseJan 01 13:24
schestowitzMumbo-jumbosJan 01 13:24
kecskebakYes, poor Simon Singh is still suffering for saying so...Jan 01 13:24
kecskebakI really like Richard Dawkins and James RandiJan 01 13:25
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kecskebakJames Randi's site introduced me to critical thinking, which I should have been taught at schoolJan 01 13:25
kecskebakIt's such a help in a world full of PR, spin and bullshitJan 01 13:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] New year #Chromium build ( - Great browser!Jan 01 13:27
Omar87schestowitz: Who is JWildeboer?Jan 01 13:40
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schestowitzOmar87: Red Hat employeeJan 01 13:55
Omar87schestowitz: yeah, I just Googled him.Jan 01 13:55
Omar87schestowitz: so, he talked to ICT Minister in Jordan?Jan 01 13:55
schestowitzkecskebak: I'd have to find out about Randi....Jan 01 13:55
schestowitzOmar87: yesJan 01 13:56
kecskebakRandi is a good friend of Richard DawkinsJan 01 13:59
kecskebakDawkin's did the keynote of one of Randi's TAM conventionsJan 01 14:00
kecskebakThis video is a good introduction 01 14:01
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schestowitzthanksJan 01 14:03
DaemonFCschestowitz: Linux is definitely going on my WiiJan 01 14:11
DaemonFCthat is just too coolJan 01 14:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Standard #Windows #Desktop Very Poor Compared to #GNU #Linux 01 14:13
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #Video Competition Launched for #GNU #Linux Promotion 01 14:14
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phIRCe-localTitle: Open source predictions for 2010 .::. Size~: 40.36 KBJan 01 14:17
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Odyssey for 2010 01 14:19
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Gaming Recommendations for Users of #GNU #Linux 01 14:23
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schestowitzDaemonFC: can it?Jan 01 14:32
schestowitzI thought it was just a rare hackJan 01 14:32
schestowitzThat few people managed to get it doneJan 01 14:32
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UbuntuTweak Has Nice New Release, New Site 01 14:35
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Omar87schestowitz: what are the chances that Bill Gates is a Free Mason?Jan 01 14:35
schestowitzI think you watch the wrong videosJan 01 14:35
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Omar87schestowitz: me?Jan 01 14:37
DaemonFCschestowitz: It canJan 01 14:37
DaemonFCThere's a version of Debian for the Wii called white-linuxJan 01 14:37
DaemonFCcan run everything the PowerPC version of Debian hasJan 01 14:37
DaemonFCyou have to use a buffer overflow exploit to get the Wii to load the installer, but once it's on, it's onJan 01 14:38
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DaemonFCso I'll hold off on the firmware upgrades until I have Linux on itJan 01 14:39
kecskebakJust using the latest nightly build of InkscapeJan 01 14:39
kecskebakNice new panel for graphics tablets which works nicelyJan 01 14:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SmartQ Runs #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux and #Android 01 14:40
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kecskebakLets you test the buttons etc. in a special area to check everything is workingJan 01 14:40
DaemonFCschestowitz: You've essentially got a 739 Mhz PowerPC CPU, 88 MB of RAM, and a 249 Mhz ATI graphics cardJan 01 14:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] In a closed meeting, communicating secretly with the outside? AKA Corporateespionage.exe, it can't fail 01 14:41
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DaemonFCLinux won't exactly scream on that hardware, but I've seen it running on the Wii at a more than sufficient paceJan 01 14:41
DaemonFCI think the guy was using XFCE, but not sureJan 01 14:41
amarsh04I found inkscape a lot slower to load than OO.o last time I tried itJan 01 14:41
YfrwlfComparing the price of the Wii and an equivalent "normal" computer, is it worth it?Jan 01 14:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Under Active Attack from #Microsoft (They Are Nervous) 01 14:42
kecskebakamarsh04: I haven't noticed any slowdownJan 01 14:42
amarsh04keckebak, I'll time it nowJan 01 14:42
kecskebak4 secsJan 01 14:43
kecskebakAnd that's the nightly build so it's a dev versionJan 01 14:43
kecskebakInkscape 0.47+devel r, built Jan  1 2010Jan 01 14:43
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Woman Shows World Why E-Book #DRM is a Total Disaster #swindle #sonyJan 01 14:44
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Misguided #IntellectualMonopolists Go After #Netflix , Remixes 01 14:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #i4i Explains How It Nailed #Microsoft for Breaking #Patent Law 01 14:46
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schestowitzOmar87: yes, youJan 01 14:47
schestowitz:-)Jan 01 14:47
schestowitzI saw those people who talk about "Freemasons and stuff"Jan 01 14:47
schestowitzThey lack evidenceJan 01 14:47
Omar87schestowitz: but, what wrong videos are you talking about?Jan 01 14:48
schestowitzIt's fair to give people an opportunity to voice their minds, but now they claim that Google is "freemasonic" and stuffJan 01 14:48
YfrwlfI wonder how improved the quality of life would be if patents didn't exist or there were very few.Jan 01 14:48
Omar87schestowitz: Freemasonry is there. And it has been proven.Jan 01 14:48
schestowitzAs if Brin and Page in a garage thought, "yeah, let's become the Secret government"Jan 01 14:48
schestowitzAnd Alex Jones says Microsoft was created by IBM or somethingJan 01 14:48
DaemonFCYfrwlf: The Wii is $199 newJan 01 14:49
schestowitzThat's just utter BSJan 01 14:49
DaemonFCobviously it's not going to be the only purpose of it to run LinuxJan 01 14:49
MinceRit's more likely that such a secret society would invite themJan 01 14:49
DaemonFCbut I'd say the ability of it to do that should make it weigh more when you're deciding what console to getJan 01 14:49
schestowitzOmar87: yes, they take it too farJan 01 14:50
DaemonFCNintendo should just make it an official featureJan 01 14:50
schestowitzIt's like saying, "Well, OK, the KGB exists"Jan 01 14:50
DaemonFCnobody is going to buy a Wii just to run Linux like they did with the PS3Jan 01 14:50
YfrwlfDaemonFC: Once you install Linux, I wouldn't think you'd be able to get the original Wii software back, meaning it is forever a PC from that point on.Jan 01 14:50
DaemonFCSony d/c'd the Linux support cause they were losing money by having it thereJan 01 14:50
schestowitz"And the KGB is trying to colonise Africa..."Jan 01 14:50
schestowitzThen someone says, "nonsense!"Jan 01 14:50
DaemonFCYfrwlf: It's in the Homebrew ChannelJan 01 14:51
amarsh045 minutes 55 seconds for inkscape; under a minute for OO.o writerJan 01 14:51
DaemonFCyou launch Linux like a gameJan 01 14:51
schestowitzAnd I reply, "but yeah, the KGB *Does* exist"Jan 01 14:51
DaemonFCdoes not modify the firmware at allJan 01 14:51
schestowitzOmar87: gates is in some high societies, yeah...Jan 01 14:51
YfrwlfDaemonFC: I see, so you can run both Wii games and Linux software then.Jan 01 14:52
DaemonFCPeople were buying the PS3 just to run Linux and use the PS3's powerful hardware to build cheaap supercomputing clustersJan 01 14:52
schestowitzLike the groupings around CFR and stuff... the Gates family attends Bilderberg too... and Microsoft's Mundie alsoJan 01 14:52
DaemonFCobviously if Sony loses $3200 every time someone did that, they're not going to want Linux around anymoreJan 01 14:52
DaemonFCYfrwlf: Yes, Linux is on one of your SD cardsJan 01 14:52
YfrwlfDaemonFC: But if you can use the Wii as a normal PC, if it is cheaper than buying a normal PC of equivalent processing power, Nintendo may not like that IF they are losing money on Wii hardware sales and using software to make it back up.Jan 01 14:53
DaemonFCthe other slot is still available evenJan 01 14:53
*schestowitz imagines Sergie and Larry riding scooters around the hotels in Bilderberg meetups :-) j/kJan 01 14:53
schestowitz*SergeiJan 01 14:53
DaemonFCYfrwlf: It's not cheaper, you can buy PC's in a keyboard for $99 with Linux in thereJan 01 14:53
MinceRthe console business modell is all about screwing the customerJan 01 14:53
DaemonFCit just makes the Wii more valuable, is my argumentJan 01 14:53
Omar87schestowitz: but everybody knows what KGB is. Freemasonry, on the other hand, is still unknown to so many people.Jan 01 14:54
DaemonFCIt makes it more vauable to me anyway, and I'll still buy tons of gamesJan 01 14:54
DaemonFCOmar87: My uncle is a FreemasonJan 01 14:54
Omar87DaemonFC: okJan 01 14:55
YfrwlfDaemonFC: Of course it does, I was merely trying to figure out if that is something that would be good in Nintendo's eyes.  They should offer Linux as a download in that case and want to help push that as a feature of the Wii.Jan 01 14:55
DaemonFCI don't believe it's a doomsday cult or a conspiracy to run the worldJan 01 14:55
DaemonFCif anything, they do a lot of good for people, like the Shriner HospitalsJan 01 14:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] oooooh i can has?? 01 14:56
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Omar87DaemonFC: oh yeah, and Hardeez.Jan 01 14:56
DaemonFCThey take in kids who have cancer and stuff and were left to die by the American medical systemJan 01 14:56
DaemonFCand treat them, for freeJan 01 14:56
DaemonFCI'd say that makes them alright in my bookJan 01 14:56
YfrwlfUsing the power of Scientology!  sorry..Jan 01 14:57
DaemonFCYfrwlf: They are NOT the ScientologistsJan 01 14:57
DaemonFCthey don't belong in that catagoryJan 01 14:57
Yfrwlfit was a joke :PJan 01 14:57
Yfrwlfto go along with the theories about themJan 01 14:57
Yfrwlfand it was also a also a test to see if anyone here was one ;)Jan 01 14:58
DaemonFCI don't think they're evil or sinister or anything, they're basically just a frat clubJan 01 14:58
MinceR 01 14:58
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DaemonFCyou don't even have to believe in the supernatural to be a MasonJan 01 14:59
MinceR154820 < DaemonFC> if anything, they do a lot of good for people, like the Shriner HospitalsJan 01 14:59
MinceRthey say that about a lot of cultsJan 01 14:59
MinceRincluding roman catholicsJan 01 14:59
MinceRprobably even about the clamsJan 01 14:59
DaemonFCMinceR: I've never seen the Masons attack minorities the way Christians doJan 01 15:00
DaemonFCHow's that for a start?Jan 01 15:00
MinceRfor one thing, that's hardly the only way of doing harmJan 01 15:00
MinceRalso, it's ironic hearing that from you of all peopleJan 01 15:00
MinceRwho keeps attacking minorities on this channelJan 01 15:00
DaemonFCthe Christians like to manipulate and pervert the political and legal systems to attack people who aren't numerous or rich enough to defend themselvesJan 01 15:01
YfrwlfYeah DaemonFC, stop attacking me, a minority ;_;  but you'll never guess what kind, mwuhahahaJan 01 15:01
DaemonFCI mean, you don't see Masons doing thatJan 01 15:01
Omar87DaemonFC: you can't prove it.Jan 01 15:02
DaemonFCOmar87: Since when have the Masons taken a position on those issues, donated to coalitions to beat up the little guys, etc?Jan 01 15:04
DaemonFCThe Mormons do that, the Christians do thatJan 01 15:04
YfrwlfOf course, since an extremely large number of people use the label Christianity to refer to themselves, you're always going to find someone doing something you don't agree with who is under that label.Jan 01 15:04
MinceRi mostly find cults that are doing evil things under that labelJan 01 15:05
DaemonFCYfrwlf: Ever heard the term "Same shit, different asshole"?Jan 01 15:05
DaemonFC:)Jan 01 15:05
Omar87Yfrwlf: trueJan 01 15:05
DaemonFCYfrwlf: I will say this. As sick and depraved as American Christian groups tend to be, even 99% of them are distancing themselves from the Uganda "death for gays" billJan 01 15:07
DaemonFCwhen they won't touch something, you KNOW it's got to be pretty wickedJan 01 15:07
YfrwlfI would hope so.Jan 01 15:07
YfrwlfyepJan 01 15:07
DaemonFCmakes me think there's some hopeJan 01 15:08
DaemonFC50 years ago, they would be agreeing with the "Hang them all" crapJan 01 15:08
DaemonFC150 years ago, they preached slaveryJan 01 15:08
YfrwlfReligion will continue to evolve, like it has always done, otherwise it goes extinct.Jan 01 15:08
Omar87DaemonFC: this bring us back to the "media" thing.Jan 01 15:09
MinceRand it will continue to claim that it never did? :>Jan 01 15:09
DaemonFCYfrwlf: You have to always say NO one more time than they can say YESJan 01 15:09
DaemonFCyou wear them down over decades I guessJan 01 15:09
MinceRclaiming to build everything on a particular piece of old scripture, etc.Jan 01 15:09
Omar87DaemonFC: You seem to drink the CNN, Fox News, BBC kool-aides too much. Jan 01 15:09
DaemonFCnonviolent non-cooperationJan 01 15:10
Omar87DaemonFC: these news corporations will never tell you what Freemasons really are.Jan 01 15:10
DaemonFCeverything they've tried to do to us over the years is falling apartJan 01 15:10
YfrwlfWell you can never disprove a lot of the core concepts, but where ever those concepts cross over into reality, you can attack those points, so over time they'll just be left with the core part.Jan 01 15:10
Omar87DaemonFC: why? Because the are actually owned by Freemasons.Jan 01 15:11
DaemonFCOmar87: You want me to make you a nice tin foil hat to wear?Jan 01 15:11
Omar87DaemonFC: no.Jan 01 15:12
YfrwlfOmar87: Regardless of what things are driving a lot of the corporations, I think basic greed is the majority of that driving force.Jan 01 15:12
Omar87they*Jan 01 15:12
Omar87Yfrwlf: what do you mean?Jan 01 15:13
kecskebakIs there any evidence we can look at to substantiate these claims about Freemasonry?Jan 01 15:14
YfrwlfOmar87: I'm saying that regardless of whether or not your theory is true, and of course may be, I think the force mainly driving the government/corporate tank is greed.  The assholes end up driving it out of greed, and the nice ones get used.Jan 01 15:15
YfrwlfRegardless of their religion or club status or whatnot.Jan 01 15:15
kecskebakExtraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and all that.Jan 01 15:15
Omar87Yfrwlf: true.Jan 01 15:16
kecskebakI don't have any view on the subject either way, as I know nothing about it.Jan 01 15:17
YfrwlfYou're suggesting that a good chunk of it all is driven by a single set of motives (one group), and while that coooooould be possible, I think that probably mostly just random bastards are who's in control doing their own things for their own greed.Jan 01 15:17
Omar87Yfrwlf: actually, Free Masonry is not restricted to followers of a certain ethnic or reliogous group. There is an army of free masons here in the Middle East who claim to be "Muslims", for example.Jan 01 15:18
YfrwlfBasically, the theory that a huge number of different organizations are all motivated by one controlling group at the top is a classic conspiracy theory because it's very difficult to do that, to have random assholes cooperate under one flag.  To have secrecy among a huge group just isn't something that is ever very plausable.Jan 01 15:19
YfrwlfAnd this group of Muslims who aren't Muslims is a big group?  And you're claiming that news of their true flag and following has leaked out?  Yet, you're acting like it's a secret, so which is it?Jan 01 15:21
YfrwlfI mean, once you're outed, there's not point in hiding it anymore.Jan 01 15:21
YfrwlfThat's like a group of Mormons who are actually Scientologists.  Once someone finds out, you can't hide that anymore.Jan 01 15:22
YfrwlfOr do Scientologists not try to be secretive?Jan 01 15:23
YfrwlfOmar87: Bringing me back to what the others have said, you need proof.  It may be true, but there's no point unless you can get some proof. :PJan 01 15:24
schestowitzkecskebak: oh, I know RandiJan 01 15:25
schestowitzI watched this video before as wellJan 01 15:25
schestowitzI knew the face, not the nameJan 01 15:25
schestowitzThere are other horsemen with Dawkins... like other bearded men and HitchensJan 01 15:27
schestowitzkecskebak: Dan Dennett: A secular, scientific rebuttal to Rick Warren\Jan 01 15:27
schestowitzMatt Asay is a Mormon BTWJan 01 15:27
schestowitzBut he's niceJan 01 15:28
MinceRs/rm/r/Jan 01 15:28
MinceRfixed that for youJan 01 15:28
kecskebakThe only one I don't like much in that crowd is Michael ShermerJan 01 15:28
schestowitzPeople from Novell are Mormons a lot of time... in Provo, UtahJan 01 15:28
schestowitzThey can marry Linux and Microsoft at the same time :-DJan 01 15:28
MinceRalso, i wonder who is he nice toJan 01 15:28
YfrwlflolJan 01 15:29
MinceR 01 15:29
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YfrwlfJoseph Smith was amazing, that's what everyone should take from Mormonism.  Or, people are stupid.  Or both.Jan 01 15:30
kecskebakBoycott Novell is persuasive because it is stuffed full of evidence. The fact you don't have evidence doesn't make you wrong, but it makes it hard to persuade people who have no view.Jan 01 15:31
YfrwlfIt makes for a theory, and theories shouldn't persuade anyone, only make someone go "hmm maybe".Jan 01 15:31
DaemonFCdownloading Mandriva 2010, might go for a KDE installJan 01 15:32
schestowitzMinceR: *lol* *rimshot*Jan 01 15:32
YfrwlfKDE4 keeps letting me downJan 01 15:32
schestowitz4.3?Jan 01 15:33
DaemonFCit's a compromise, they have better support for GNOME and GTK+ apps without the "find the mystery dependency that apt-get didn't flag and bring in"Jan 01 15:33
schestowitzKDE4 helped me forget that anything can ever crashJan 01 15:33
DaemonFCI have a handful of GNOME programs that I want even though I am less than amused with GNOMEJan 01 15:33
Yfrwlfschestowitz: even 4.3, while better, still makes me cry, I'm just not too compatible with KDE.Jan 01 15:33
schestowitzIt's just plasma leaks some RAM, but I can restart it (kde or plamsa-desktop)Jan 01 15:33
DaemonFCschestowitz: Is it STILL leaking?Jan 01 15:34
Omar87Yfrwlf: What about those secret rituals at the Bohemian Grove?Jan 01 15:34
DaemonFCdamnJan 01 15:34
DaemonFChow bad?Jan 01 15:34
YfrwlfOmar87: What rituals?Jan 01 15:34
schestowitz4.3.1Jan 01 15:34
schestowitzDaemonFC: didn't measure itJan 01 15:34
schestowitzI'd need to run a process to tune in to leaksJan 01 15:34
schestowitzIt's for developers mostly, not users. I used it when developing in GTKJan 01 15:35
DaemonFCschestowitz: Hopefully not as bad as 4.2 wasJan 01 15:35
Omar87Yfrwlf: Those: 01 15:35
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DaemonFCeven DWM in Windows 7 improved on thatJan 01 15:35
schestowitzDebugging without the know the source code leads to no improvementJan 01 15:35
DaemonFCVista's would get bloated and eat a good 200 megs sometimesJan 01 15:35
Yfrwlfis that a screen cap from lord of the rings ;)Jan 01 15:35
MinceRno, it's from that bohemian grove video, afaictJan 01 15:36
Omar87Yfrwlf: No :)Jan 01 15:36
Omar87MinceR: true.Jan 01 15:36
MinceRabout what the leaders of Jesusland do in secretJan 01 15:36
YfrwlfOmar87: Who's that supposed to be, Mormons, Scientologists, or Freemasons?Jan 01 15:36
DaemonFCschestowitz: That's why I turned DWM off when I had Vista and "only" 2 GB of RAMJan 01 15:36
DaemonFCwhich I think is just unreasonableJan 01 15:36
MinceRwhen they hide from the people who were supposed to elect themJan 01 15:36
schestowitzMinceR: that picture is rudeJan 01 15:36
MinceRand to whom they're supposed to respondJan 01 15:36
schestowitzIt makes fun of Billy BobJan 01 15:36
schestowitz:0)Jan 01 15:36
MinceRschestowitz: :)Jan 01 15:37
YfrwlfMinceR: It wouldn't at all surprise me, though I never "got high enough" to see it, and of course very very few ever would.Jan 01 15:37
Omar87Yfrwlf: I have no idea. But it's true. And it happens every single year. Those people you see in the pic are most probably the same men in tuxedos that we see on TV. Jan 01 15:38
schestowitz [IMG]Jan 01 15:38
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DaemonFCschestowitz: The thing that struck me the most when I got Mandriva in the boxed set was how much software was on the discJan 01 15:39
DaemonFCI had never had a Linux DVD boxed setJan 01 15:39
DaemonFCtil then it was always like a CD or twoJan 01 15:39
schestowitzSUSE 8.1 came with 6 CDs, IIRCJan 01 15:39
schestowitzMaybe 4Jan 01 15:39
YfrwlfOmar87: It's amazing all the things J.S. came up with though, that's pretty creative, and had the balls to do it all.Jan 01 15:39
schestowitzAll the software came from thereJan 01 15:39
schestowitzDebian repos are over 20gbJan 01 15:39
DaemonFCyeah, Mandriva had all the repository in a couple DVDsJan 01 15:40
DaemonFCor maybe it was 3Jan 01 15:40
Omar87Yfrwlf: J. S.?Jan 01 15:40
DaemonFCit just kind of blew my mindJan 01 15:40
DaemonFCsure was handy when I had dial up thoughJan 01 15:40
schestowitzdial up...Jan 01 15:40
YfrwlfOmar87: Joseph Smith, the one who came up with most/some of it.Jan 01 15:40
DaemonFC2002 I believeJan 01 15:40
DaemonFCschestowitz: Nobody offered broadband here until 2003Jan 01 15:41
Omar87Yfrwlf: I don't know him. But I don't think it has anything to do with him.Jan 01 15:41
DaemonFCthat's when I got DSL, the first day they had it availableJan 01 15:41
schestowitzDaemonFC: Jan 01 15:41
schestowitz 01 15:41
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schestowitzWatch the endJan 01 15:41
YfrwlfOmar87: Of course he got the ideas from all sorts of different sources, but it's still pretty amazing to me.  It's like, you're a film director or book writer, but instead of releasing media, you release a "teaching" that gets played out by your followers before your eyes.Jan 01 15:41
DaemonFCeven 768k DSL was sweet relief from AOL dial upJan 01 15:42
DaemonFC:)Jan 01 15:42
Omar87Yfrwlf: I see.Jan 01 15:42
YfrwlfOmar87: Joseph Smith is the founder of Mormonism.Jan 01 15:42
YfrwlfOmar87: Sorry, used to being in Mormonland, and think others know what I'm talking about sometimes. :)Jan 01 15:43
Omar87Yfrwlf: By the way, the way those people at the Bohemian Grove are dressed, doesn't it remind you of the KKK?Jan 01 15:44
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DaemonFClulz!Jan 01 15:44
YfrwlfI'm sure J.S., David Koresh, etc all felt very powerful, as did those who followed them and were close to them.Jan 01 15:44
MinceRi prefer to have an I-frame to lead the GOP :>Jan 01 15:45
MinceRs/to //Jan 01 15:45
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YfrwlfOmar87: Sure, or any cult really, and Mormonism is much more of a cult than normal religious due to it's very life-penetrating and controlling nature.Jan 01 15:45
Omar87Yfrwlf: and there's also Opus Dei..Jan 01 15:46
YfrwlfOmar87: Never heard of that either.Jan 01 15:46
Omar87Yfrwlf: they're mentioned in Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code.Jan 01 15:47
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YfrwlfOmar87: The stuff about mortification is creepyJan 01 15:50
Omar87Yfrwlf: they claim to be a good group to help Christian Youth and so on. But then they have extremely painful rituals like whipping themselves with something called "The Discipline"Jan 01 15:51
YfrwlfOmar87: I also thought you meant the Bohemian Grove was Mormon-only, sorry.Jan 01 15:51
Omar87Yfrwlf: True. Corporal mortification using the "cilice" or the "Discipline".. etc.Jan 01 15:52
Omar87Yfrwlf: nope, it's not.Jan 01 15:52
Omar87Yfrwlf: I believe it's more about satanism than anything else.Jan 01 15:52
YfrwlfOmar87: Why do you say that?  Be careful, because Christians looking at anything non-Christian will often mention Satan, a Christian figure.Jan 01 15:53
Omar87Yfrwlf: Satan is not really a Christian figure.Jan 01 15:54
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MinceRwell, whose figure is it, then?Jan 01 15:54
Omar87Yfrwlf: even we, Muslims, know Satan. But we fight him and ask God  (Allah) to protect us from him.Jan 01 15:55
Omar87MinceR: As I said to Yfrwlf. :)Jan 01 15:55
Omar87MinceR: in fact, Satan is known even to the Jews.Jan 01 15:56
YfrwlfOmar87: Well, true, to some degree, but ideas flow together and apart and stem from one another, so you could say that there is no one "Satan" in Christianity either, as that concept has morphed throughout time, but yes the concept was taken from earlier concepts.Jan 01 15:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] elderly cat peed copiously on couch last night. this has incented us to tidy at least. how to clean cat pee out of soaked cushions?Jan 01 15:57
YfrwlfWater, or water + soap. :PJan 01 15:57
ThistleWebwell, the cat has to pee somewhere, it coulda been could have been on the pillow, occupied with someone's headJan 01 15:59
YfrwlfOmar87: So my point is it depends on how loosely you define Satan and Satanism.  You could define it as loose as "a single figure who is mean", and call pretty much anything Satanism, lol.Jan 01 15:59
MinceROmar87: both christians and muslims took it from the jews, afaikJan 01 15:59
MinceRso it's all threeJan 01 15:59
Omar87Yfrwlf: well, I'm not so sure how Christians think or believe. But as a Muslim, I can assure that Satan, as we know him, hasn't changed a sinlge bit since the prophecy of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH).Jan 01 16:00
Omar87I can assure *you* that....Jan 01 16:01
Omar87Yfrwlf: not really.Jan 01 16:01
YfrwlfOmar87: And that's what I'm talking about, you believe in Satan so you see the "negative figure" in all religions, if one exists, as being the Satan from your beliefs.Jan 01 16:01
Omar87Yfrwlf: actually yeah.. perhaps.Jan 01 16:01
Omar87Yfrwlf: the story is not that simple though.Jan 01 16:02
MinceRnot all religions have a negative figure, afaikJan 01 16:03
YfrwlfOmar87: And you may be right, but your religion is one of many, and all the "evil" parts (if they exist) that are mentioned in other religions will only be your Satan if your religion is true, because they don't at all agree on what Satan is and cannot all be true.Jan 01 16:04
YfrwlfOmar87: My point being that you cannot have a universal belief in Satan because no one Satan is alike.Jan 01 16:04
Omar87Yfrwlf: I'm not talking about a universal belief in Satan.Jan 01 16:05
Omar87Yfrwlf: I'm talking about a cult of people who worship Satan.Jan 01 16:05
YfrwlfOmar87: Yes you are, when you mentioned Satanism.  It would only be Satanism to you if they agreed with your definition of Satan.Jan 01 16:06
Omar87Yfrwlf: No.Jan 01 16:06
Omar87Yfrwlf: Not really.Jan 01 16:07
Omar87Yfrwlf: I'm not sure how they define "Satan", but I know that they worship him.Jan 01 16:07
YfrwlfOmar87: So that means you're calling any praise of a mean figurehead as Satanism, because your concept of Satan is going to be different than your concept, because you're in different religions.Jan 01 16:09
Yfrwlfsorry, *theirJan 01 16:09
MinceRyou could call any worship of an entity called "Satan" "Satanism", regardless of their definition of it. :>Jan 01 16:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sam really doesn't get that Clark Kent is Superman. "Where's the man in blue", "It's him!", "But where is the super man?" etc #fbJan 01 16:10
Omar87MinceR, Yfrwlf: Not really. They don't just "Praise him", they "Pray to him".Jan 01 16:11
YfrwlfMinceR: You could, you can call anything anything, but I was trying to prove that by suggesting all meanness in the world comes from Satan is based upon *your own* beliefs of what Satan is, and thus will only be true if your belief system is true.Jan 01 16:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I just heard something that can't possibly be true on the radio. Someone claimed "I don't like coffee". HERETIC!!!!Jan 01 16:13
YfrwlfDamnit, basically Omar87, if your religion is right, then you're right.  There. :PJan 01 16:13
YfrwlflolJan 01 16:13
MinceRi don't believe in Satan, yet i can still discuss itJan 01 16:13
Omar87Yfrwlf: :-)Jan 01 16:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sam: "Mummy, I want a cape and an outfit like Superman, and I want to be able to fly out the door". Don't we all, my son! #fbJan 01 16:14
Omar87MinceR: Do you believe in God?Jan 01 16:14
MinceRYfrwlf: um, what can "Satanism" mean, if not "worship of Satan"?Jan 01 16:14
MinceROmar87: which god? :>Jan 01 16:14
MinceRi believe in myselfJan 01 16:14
YfrwlfSatan is a specific figure which is different between every religion out there, so you can't just say "that's Satanism" and agree with someone else of a different religion.Jan 01 16:14
MinceRthen you can have multiple different religions called "Satanism"Jan 01 16:14
MinceRnothing new there.Jan 01 16:14
YfrwlfMy logic is flawless!  Damn all yoooooooou! :)Jan 01 16:15
Omar87Yfrwlf: not really.Jan 01 16:15
YfrwlfOmar87 is suggesting that this specific instance is "Satanism" when to them it's probably NOT Satanism, or even if they call who they worship Satan, it's going to be different to them, they'll probably make out this "Satan" to be good in some ways for instance.Jan 01 16:15
MinceRtheir "good" might be different from yours or mine :>Jan 01 16:16
YfrwlfSo you can't just go around calling everything Satanism, that's just silly.  That's my point. :PJan 01 16:16
MinceRit isn't necessarily silly.Jan 01 16:16
MinceRit's a designation that can be useful in particular cases.Jan 01 16:16
MinceRwhich particular religion are we discussing now?Jan 01 16:17
Omar87Yfrwlf: when did I ever "come around calling everything Satanism"? :)Jan 01 16:17
YfrwlfBut it's not an *accurate* one, unless you believe that Satan is real, and in that case you're simply saying *your* religion is the right one because your definition of Satan is the one that is correct, when of course the practicers would probably disagree.Jan 01 16:18
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MinceRi misread that as "unless you believe that Santa is real"Jan 01 16:18
Omar87MinceR: lolJan 01 16:18
YfrwlflolJan 01 16:18
DaemonFCMinceR: Accusing people of being witches has always worked well in the past :)Jan 01 16:18
MinceRindeedJan 01 16:19
DaemonFCjust stop before you get to the mayor's wifeJan 01 16:19
DaemonFC;)Jan 01 16:19
MinceRit might still work in JesuslandJan 01 16:19
MinceRwe'll see when someone tries it againJan 01 16:19
YfrwlfheheJan 01 16:19
DaemonFCMinceR: I'm in favor of bringing back the Water TestJan 01 16:19
DaemonFChow about you?Jan 01 16:19
MinceRfor certain subjects, i'd agreeJan 01 16:20
MinceRbut not because i believe that test is reliable in any way other than as a method of execution :>Jan 01 16:20
MinceR(or rather, a method to choose a method of execution)Jan 01 16:20
MinceR"the nonexistence of witches is only a theory!"Jan 01 16:20
DaemonFCIf you float, you're a witch and they kill you.Jan 01 16:21
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MinceRand if you don't, you drownJan 01 16:21
DaemonFCIf you sink, you weren't a witch, and your death is a shame.Jan 01 16:21
DaemonFCyepJan 01 16:21
YfrwlfYou can't prove the lack of a positive result.  That's my answer to religion. :PJan 01 16:21
schestowitzMinceR: I know witchesJan 01 16:21
DaemonFCthen they inquisitors get to keep all your stuffJan 01 16:22
DaemonFC*theJan 01 16:22
DaemonFCeven if you "aren't a witch"Jan 01 16:22
schestowitzBut they are less harmful when the doormen stop themJan 01 16:22
DaemonFCgave them plenty of incentive to find witchesJan 01 16:22
MinceR 01 16:22
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Omar87Yfrwlf: I'm saying that there's a form of "Satanism" that can be acknowledged by all people, regardless of their belief.Jan 01 16:24
schestowitzIs Blair a witch?Jan 01 16:25
schestowitzHe has big pointy ears :-)Jan 01 16:25
YfrwlfOmar87: And I'm saying there isn't, because "Satan" is different between religions.  Bhuddism doesn't even have a Satan, so it will NOT be acknowledged.Jan 01 16:25
DaemonFCI don't know. Does he weigh the same as a duck?Jan 01 16:25
MinceRpointy ears don't mean being a witchJan 01 16:25
Omar87Yfrwlf: Well, I have to disagree with you.Jan 01 16:25
DaemonFCIf so he's made of wood. That means he's a witch.Jan 01 16:25
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YfrwlfOmar87: YOU can have a belief that your "Satan", how to define him/them/whatever, is the one some other religions are *actually* referring to, but your belief will not be shared by those of other religions, because *their* idea of Satan will be different, so you will forever disagree with them.Jan 01 16:27
MinceRthere are a few more methods to tryJan 01 16:27
DaemonFCschestowitz: I still blame England for thatJan 01 16:28
DaemonFCif they hadn't gone and brought the religion with them, there'd have been no crimes against humanity in SalemJan 01 16:28
DaemonFC:PJan 01 16:28
YfrwlfOmar87: and while other religions can have a similar belief, it will again be different because not all religions believe in the same Satan.Jan 01 16:28
Omar87Yfrwlf: this symbol, for example, is aknowledged by both Muslims and Christians as "Satanism": 01 16:28
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*MinceR likes that symbolJan 01 16:29
YfrwlfOmar87: Great, but your beliefs on who Satan is ARE different, so you ARE talking about different Satans.  You disagree with others on who Satan is, it's that simple.  Satan is different to you than for others.Jan 01 16:30
schestowitzDaemonFC: UK is far less religious than US nowJan 01 16:30
DaemonFCmaybe so, but you started it :PJan 01 16:30
Yfrwlfschestowitz: I thought the UK was always less religious.Jan 01 16:30
schestowitzIn think Scandinaviais still at the forefrontJan 01 16:30
MinceR172233 < Yfrwlf> Omar87: Great, but your beliefs on who Satan is ARE different, so you ARE talking about different Satans.  You disagree with others on who Satan is, it's that simple.Jan 01 16:30
MinceR                 Satan is different to you than for others.Jan 01 16:30
DaemonFCcouldn't your colonists have just brought something nicer, like the plague?Jan 01 16:30
MinceRnot necessarily.Jan 01 16:30
schestowitzAbout 50%, depending on what you asklJan 01 16:30
MinceRhe might disagree on what the properties of Satan are, not the identity. :>Jan 01 16:31
schestowitzYfrwlf: I think it's higher for the "Existence" of that magic men (or woman)Jan 01 16:31
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schestowitzBut no matter what you measure, you're a fringe group in Sweden for praying in stuffJan 01 16:31
Omar87_schestowitz: huh?Jan 01 16:32
YfrwlfMinceR: The "properties" that make up Satan means it's a different Satan, because Satan is a *belief*.Jan 01 16:32
schestowitzSatan is kinda cool.Jan 01 16:33
schestowitzI bet she's pretty hotJan 01 16:33
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schestowitzHeh!Jan 01 16:33
schestowitzDidn't he die..?Jan 01 16:33
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YfrwlfSatan can be VERY different between religions, so while you can have a belief that everyone's Satan is your Satan, others are not going to agree with you.Jan 01 16:33
MinceRYfrwlf: it's also a name and an entity.Jan 01 16:33
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schestowitzDied 12991Jan 01 16:34
MinceR(even if a fictional one)Jan 01 16:34
schestowitzBlech. 1991Jan 01 16:34
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MinceRand not all religions call any of their negative figures "Satan" :>Jan 01 16:34
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YfrwlfCorrect, thank you. :P  So, yes, believe that the "Satans" of other religions are actually your belief in Satan all you want, but you can't convince others who have other beliefs in what Satan is to agree with you.Jan 01 16:35
schestowitz"So here it is, the end of a very interesting and turbulent year. The stories and hardships of so many were overshadowed by the powerful elite. Bonuses, profits and bailouts seemed to occupy most of the major media and Goldman Sachs took up much of the space."Jan 01 16:36
YfrwlfYou can call someone's Jesus a Satan, for instance.  To you that would be a "false god", but not to them.Jan 01 16:36
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kecskebakI'm sorry if this has been talked about here before, but I found this incredible...Jan 01 16:37
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schestowitzkecskebak: there's a good talk from them on Google VideoJan 01 16:37
schestowitzHold ob....Jan 01 16:37
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kecskebakI"ve got that talk as a podcast - it was broadcast on KPFA's Guns and ButterJan 01 16:38
*schestowitz likes Chalmers JohnsonJan 01 16:39
kecskebakThere's some fascinating stuff on Guns and Butter - Michael Hudson, David Ray Griffin, etc.Jan 01 16:39
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schestowitz"Unwashed masses" :-)Jan 01 16:40
Yfrwlfschestowitz: Q1: Is this your job? Q2: If so, how do you get paid? Q3: Does your butt get numb? ;)Jan 01 16:40
MinceRhoi polloiJan 01 16:40
Yfrwlfj/k, I mostly sit too. :PJan 01 16:41
schestowitzYfrwlf: no, no and noJan 01 16:41
YfrwlflolJan 01 16:42
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schestowitzSome people get sore eyes or backJan 01 16:42
schestowitzBut a lot of people work on screens 9-5Jan 01 16:42
schestowitzWe need to invest supineputers for themJan 01 16:42
YfrwlfI have an IT job, I can relate :PJan 01 16:43
Yfrwlfhas anyone here tried some opened Linux on a Kindle?Jan 01 16:43
Yfrwlfif so, is the screen nicer to look at, and if so why don't they sell monitors that are easier on the eyes as wellJan 01 16:43
MinceRmaybe they eventually willJan 01 16:44
MinceRor someone will hack an ebook reader to work as an external displayJan 01 16:44
MinceRprobably doable already, just put a VNC viewer on it :)Jan 01 16:44
Yfrwlfthat'd be neat ^^Jan 01 16:44
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MinceRthat is, if networking works alreadyJan 01 16:44
MinceR(over USB, WiFi, BlueTooth or whatever)Jan 01 16:44
MinceRyou could perhaps even make it possible to move the mouse pointer over to it by running x2x or x2vnc on the host computerJan 01 16:45
MinceRhm, funnyJan 01 16:46
*MinceR is listening to: Brooklyn Bounce - X2xJan 01 16:46
Yfrwlfwhat a kwinkydink :PJan 01 16:46
MinceRwut?Jan 01 16:46
Yfrwlf(Mormon reference, too, btw, from the movie Orgazmo)Jan 01 16:47
MinceRoh, "coincidence"Jan 01 16:47
Yfrwlfnvm :PJan 01 16:47
MinceR:)Jan 01 16:47
YfrwlfyepJan 01 16:47
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MinceRbetter protect that cult of personalityJan 01 17:00
schestowitzHehe.Jan 01 17:02
schestowitzSome people complained about Madoff as clowd pictureJan 01 17:02
schestowitz*clown (in major newspaper)Jan 01 17:03
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schestowitzMy dad opines Madoff is no worse than many of the other major bankers, who belong in prisonJan 01 17:03
schestowitzHe said they did the same thing, but just not in a private firm like he was, so they picked him rather than the whole lot (Citi, BOA, etc.)Jan 01 17:04
schestowitzThe funny thing, every informed person knows it is organised crime, yet there is little one can do about itJan 01 17:05
schestowitzThey are some of the biggest funders of the United States government (through campaign funding)Jan 01 17:05
YfrwlfThinking that a banker is useless is floccinaucinihilipilification!  Sorry, just looking for an excuse to use that word. :PJan 01 17:06
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Do religious geeks think of Preists as routers who know God's DNS records?Jan 01 17:07
YfrwlflolJan 01 17:07
YfrwlfGod is ICANNJan 01 17:07
MinceRICANN is God?Jan 01 17:09
Yfrwlfto break chatroom idleness:Jan 01 17:20
YfrwlfWhile pondering the floccinaucinihilipilification of long words, I caught Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis while on vacation in Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.Jan 01 17:21
Yfrwlf:3Jan 01 17:21
MinceRi prefer 01 17:23
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Yfrwlflol yeahJan 01 17:24
Yfrwlfthough you could make a word from, say, someone's DNAJan 01 17:25
Yfrwlfbut that'd be cheatingJan 01 17:26
schestowitz[17:09] <MinceR> ICANN is God?Jan 01 17:28
schestowitzICANTJan 01 17:28
schestowitzIC*NTJan 01 17:28
schestowitzTo be announced by Apple next weekJan 01 17:29
schestowitzInternal codename for iSlitJan 01 17:29
schestowitziLateJan 01 17:29
schestowitziSlotJan 01 17:29
schestowitziSl*tJan 01 17:29
schestowitz!google islate sucksJan 01 17:29
phIRCe-local[1] - MacDailyNews - Apple Inc. owns | 01 17:29
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MinceRiCa NT?Jan 01 17:31
Yfrwlfto make a movie of text is just silly :)Jan 01 17:32
Yfrwlfpoor Google's hard drives, so full of crapJan 01 17:32
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Happy #GNU Year! #gnu #fsfJan 01 17:34
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Yfrwlfso, back on the subject of software >.>Jan 01 17:36
schestowitz"#10yearsago I was starting my job at the !fsf. My life aspiration was to get a sysadmin job @fsf. Maybe I shoulda stuck to original plan." 01 17:36
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YfrwlfI wonder if MySQL will be forkedJan 01 17:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Awww Superman Returns is making Sophie (6) cry at the end..Jan 01 17:38
YfrwlfI don't think it will be, I think it'll continue but won't have as much interest as OracleDB, but will keep up enough to continue competing with open source databases.Jan 01 17:38
schestowitzMy=Oracle'sJan 01 17:39
schestowitzLarrySQLJan 01 17:39
schestowitzLeusure Suit LarryissonJan 01 17:40
YfrwlfI don't think Oracle will just completely drop support/effort for improving MySQL, is what I mean.Jan 01 17:40
schestowitz*LeisureJan 01 17:40
schestowitzOf course notJan 01 17:40
schestowitzHow else would he upsell mysql users?Jan 01 17:40
YfrwlfheheJan 01 17:41
schestowitzI never liked how they sold to SunJan 01 17:41
schestowitzTHey could have gone for IPO at the time... this was speculated back thwnJan 01 17:41
schestowitzSame with SugarCRMJan 01 17:41
schestowitzIt then means they put you on FraudStreetJan 01 17:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ok, who bought Sam the Peppa Pig sticker book for Christmas? My laptop is now covered. #fbJan 01 17:42
schestowitzThen Madoffs & his gnomies can speculate on you and decapitate your valueJan 01 17:42
schestowitzDoes anyone read Sutor at all after OOXML fiasco? 01 17:43
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Yfrwlfhow rudeJan 01 17:43
schestowitzIt was not as dry back when he was IBM's mouth on doc stdsJan 01 17:43
schestowitzYfrwlf: it *is* rude... what they do on the 'Street'Jan 01 17:43
schestowitzI was't being rude, I thinkJan 01 17:43
Yfrwlfthat's what I was meaning, was just a slow reply because I couldn't think of anything else to say. :PJan 01 17:44
schestowitz 01 17:45
schestowitz"Oracle has vowed not to assert its patents against open source projects such as the Linux operating system kernel and the MySQL and PosgreSQL databases by entering into a licensing agreement with the Open Invention Network."Jan 01 17:45
MinceR183125 < Yfrwlf> I don't think it will be, I think it'll continue but won't have as much interest as OracleDB, but will keep up enough to continue competing with open source databases.Jan 01 17:45
YfrwlfNo Roy, anything you do in the name of money is MORALLY OK!  Geez, what've you been smoking. ^^Jan 01 17:45
MinceRso he'll improve it to the level of PostGreSQL? :>Jan 01 17:45
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schestowitzYfrwlf: of course. Taking "Care of the family"Jan 01 17:46
schestowitzEllison: "it's capitalism! I'm competing!"Jan 01 17:46
YfrwlfMinceR: I read postgre wasn't as good for websites though, for whatever reasons, if that's true. :PJan 01 17:46
schestowitzI think he said this after UnbreakableJan 01 17:46
schestowitzCapitalism: good for me, tough for the restJan 01 17:46
schestowitzSame with "Free markets"Jan 01 17:46
Yfrwlfhaha yeah, lets hire a hitman, it's competing!Jan 01 17:47
schestowitzFrom Friedman&ClownsJan 01 17:47
schestowitzGreenspan: Trust them!! They're professionals.Jan 01 17:47
Yfrwlfand think of the poor hitman's family, they need food tooJan 01 17:47
schestowitzIt's not foodJan 01 17:47
schestowitzIt's xboxJan 01 17:47
schestowitzLet them eat xboxJan 01 17:47
MinceRYfrwlf: probably not for websites that need ACID compliance :>Jan 01 17:47
schestowitzFor Ellison maybe it's a private jet or yacht... mini yacht for the boy and the galJan 01 17:48
MinceRschestowitz: dead or live xboxes? :>Jan 01 17:48
Diablo-D3manJan 01 17:48
schestowitzHe seems to have many kids from many broken marriagesJan 01 17:48
Diablo-D3if I get richJan 01 17:48
Yfrwlfwell you make sandwiches, and silicon DOES come from sandJan 01 17:48
Diablo-D3all I want is a nice carJan 01 17:48
schestowitzHe must be an arse of a guyJan 01 17:48
Diablo-D3no plane, no boatJan 01 17:48
Diablo-D3no mansionJan 01 17:48
Diablo-D3(you cant get me on a plane, you cant get me on a boat, and Im pretty sure Im not installing a maglev in my own house so no masion either)Jan 01 17:48
MinceRDiablo-D3: in that case, send what's left to me, i'll be fine with that plane, boat and mansion :>Jan 01 17:49
schestowitzThe Mexican lords have jetsJan 01 17:49
MinceRhm, a mansion with maglev -- there's an ideaJan 01 17:49
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MinceR^_^Jan 01 17:49
schestowitzGoogle had/has a jet tooJan 01 17:49
Diablo-D3MinceR: nyet, I think I shall have to save the world firstJan 01 17:49
schestowitz757 iircJan 01 17:49
Diablo-D3whats left, everyone else can have'Jan 01 17:49
Yfrwlf see, they like boats. :PJan 01 17:50
Diablo-D3ooh! mass effect is $4.99 today on steamJan 01 17:50
Diablo-D3Yfrwlf: that better not be what I think it isJan 01 17:50
Yfrwlfit probably is :3Jan 01 17:50
Diablo-D3it isJan 01 17:50
YfrwlflolJan 01 17:50
Diablo-D3and dont link to the vevo version damnitJan 01 17:50
Yfrwlfbut it came up first ^^Jan 01 17:51
MinceRitty bitty baby, itty bitty boatJan 01 17:51
Diablo-D3it doesnt matterJan 01 17:51
Diablo-D3the lonely island have their own official youtube channelJan 01 17:51
Diablo-D3and they uploaded it in hq hdJan 01 17:51
Yfrwlfoh ok, and that version blipped swears any way. :PJan 01 17:51
Diablo-D3 01 17:53
Yfrwlfthnx :3Jan 01 17:54
Yfrwlfgod Flash on Linux is slowJan 01 17:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Cat pee on couch: baking soda/peroxide paste on couch, handwash+baking soda in bathtub for soaked cushions, washing machine for covers.Jan 01 17:55
Diablo-D3yup it isJan 01 17:55
Diablo-D3use youtube-dlJan 01 17:55
MinceRor cliveJan 01 17:55
Yfrwlfor pull it from your cacheJan 01 17:55
MinceRalso, bomb adobe headquartersJan 01 17:55
YfrwlfI just leave my cache folder open, sorted by biggest files at top, and copy from there :PJan 01 17:55
Yfrwlf+1 MinceRJan 01 17:55
Yfrwlfhurry and switch to video tags, YouToobJan 01 17:56
Diablo-D3well, opera supports html5 theora nowJan 01 17:56
Diablo-D3so all youtube has to do is re-encode all their videos in theora and shit will work.Jan 01 17:56
YfrwlfFirefox and the others do too yesJan 01 17:57
MinceRyoutube switching won't be enough, viddler needs to switch tooJan 01 17:57
MinceRand many othersJan 01 17:57
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Yfrwlfonce HTML5 support is commonplace, I hope many sites will start to switch.Jan 01 17:57
Diablo-D3well, that one site didJan 01 17:58
Diablo-D3MinceR: who the fuck is viddler?Jan 01 17:58
MinceRthe video hosting service the icanhazcheezburger network usesJan 01 17:58
Diablo-D3SIGNED, DIABLOJan 01 17:58
MinceRever since they got tired of youtube for some reasonJan 01 17:58
Yfrwlfoo speaking of which, when is D3 coming out, and how fluidly will it play on Linux. :P  Stupid Blizzard and their games that run on Linux but don't officially support Linux.Jan 01 17:59
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @gvanrossum #20yearsago I created Python.Jan 01 18:00
MinceRDoom3 is already out and iirc it works on linux ;)Jan 01 18:00
Diablo-D3Yfrwlf: my nick is not related to any blizzard entertainment, co. products and predates the company.Jan 01 18:00
YfrwlfYeah but it reminded me ^^Jan 01 18:00
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YfrwlfMinceR: WOW DOOM3 IS OUT ZOMG, hehe.  1845 is calling, they want their game back, harhar :PJan 01 18:01
Diablo-D3and sadlyJan 01 18:02
Diablo-D3darkplaces had doom3 shadows before doom3 did.Jan 01 18:02
MinceRYfrwlf: you're the one who mentioned "D3"Jan 01 18:02
Diablo-D3why not bring up descent3? DURRFAHURFFJan 01 18:02
YfrwlflolJan 01 18:02
*MinceR doesn't care about shitty blizzard gamesJan 01 18:03
YfrwlfI find most games silly now days :PJan 01 18:03
YfrwlfI just need to make my own.Jan 01 18:04
YfrwlfWith Blender's game engine, woot ^^Jan 01 18:04
Yfrwlfa lot of neat games made with it already, with vids on YoutubeJan 01 18:05
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft – “Your culture will adapt to service us”? – Its all about Probes! (patent 20090327171) #microsoftJan 01 18:08
phIRCe-localTitle: Microsoft  Your culture will adapt to service us?  Its all about Probes! (patent 20090327171) «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 37.02 KBJan 01 18:08
Yfrwlfsee, the Microsoft = BorgJan 01 18:08
Yfrwlf-thJan 01 18:08
Yfrwlf+eJan 01 18:08
YfrwlflolJan 01 18:08
Diablo-D3YESJan 01 18:09
Diablo-D3THEY AREJan 01 18:09
Diablo-D3WELCOME TOJan 01 18:09
Diablo-D31992Jan 01 18:09
YfrwlfheheheJan 01 18:09
Yfrwlfso that's what happened in 92, skipped that year, was in my cryocapsulJan 01 18:10
Diablo-D3seriously, the bill gates photoshopped as the borg image has been the microsoft story icon for like, since the start of slashdotJan 01 18:11
Yfrwlfyep, it's greatJan 01 18:11
Diablo-D3soJan 01 18:12
*Diablo-D3 identicasJan 01 18:12
Yfrwlfyour mom identicasJan 01 18:14
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] I heard #upstart will now be default in !Debian... has !Debian chosen to use #xsplash or similar yet?Jan 01 18:14
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Mass Effect is $4.99 today on #Steam, I'm finally buying itJan 01 18:14
MinceRIn South Korea, Only Old People Use identi.caJan 01 18:14
YfrwlfMass Effect is for Linux?Jan 01 18:15
Diablo-D3that explains all the foreigners on identicaJan 01 18:15
Diablo-D3Yfrwlf: no, but its supposed to work in wineJan 01 18:15
Yfrwlfoh ok ^^Jan 01 18:15
YfrwlfI would feel silly paying for a game to play it on Pretend Windows though, heheJan 01 18:15
Diablo-D3everything Ive ever bought from Steam has been either $4.99 or $2.49Jan 01 18:16
Diablo-D3except for the orange box + hl1 anthology, which was $33.73Jan 01 18:16
Yfrwlfeven if I knew they'd know I was using Wine and Linux, I'd still be supporting them not making it for Linux :PJan 01 18:16
Yfrwlfso, piracy for me!Jan 01 18:16
YfrwlflolJan 01 18:17
Diablo-D3Yfrwlf: uh, you're retardedJan 01 18:17
Diablo-D3steam keeps track of who uses wineJan 01 18:17
YfrwlfI've "donated" to a lot of Linux games tho, like World of Goo ^^Jan 01 18:17
Diablo-D3also, why pirate a $5 game?Jan 01 18:17
Diablo-D3why even fucking bother?Jan 01 18:18
YfrwlfSteam also *sucks* with Wine, hardcoreJan 01 18:18
Diablo-D3steam works 95% on wineJan 01 18:18
Diablo-D3periodJan 01 18:18
Diablo-D3anyone who says otherwise is a trollJan 01 18:18
Yfrwlfnot for me, it sucksJan 01 18:18
Yfrwlfyes I'm trolling and my Steam actually works flawlessly, you're rightJan 01 18:18
Yfrwlf>.>Jan 01 18:18
Diablo-D3then you're using severely out of date wineJan 01 18:18
Yfrwlfif you call Ubuntu 9.04 Wine out of date, but I can try it again sometime perhaps, though I still hate Steam. :3Jan 01 18:19
Diablo-D3um, yes, ubuntu's wine _is_ out of dateJan 01 18:19
Diablo-D3they're still on like .2x Jan 01 18:19
YfrwlfTechnically it's not because they've still yet to release a "stable" branch newer than 1.0.1Jan 01 18:19
Diablo-D3yes, no one cares about thatJan 01 18:20
YfrwlfI really wish they'd release another stable version, instead of having some games break, and then later get fixed, and break again..Jan 01 18:20
Diablo-D31.1.35 is the newest versionJan 01 18:20
Diablo-D3if ubuntu is older than that, thats brokenJan 01 18:20
Diablo-D3periodJan 01 18:20
YfrwlfI care about it, when my games breakJan 01 18:20
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Slashdot Story | Codeplex 100 Day Deadline Passes Unremarked #outlawstory 01 18:21
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Diablo-D3Yfrwlf: then submit a bug straight to microsoftJan 01 18:21
Diablo-D3"dear bill gates, quit having your indian monkies write shit code"Jan 01 18:21
Yfrwlflike from 1.1.23 to 1.1.24 I think it was, Civ4 completely brokeJan 01 18:21
YfrwlflolJan 01 18:22
Diablo-D3if windows didnt suck, wine wouldnt have to reverse engineer absolute shitJan 01 18:22
_goblindiablo-d3: Ive been lucky...Ive built an oldish Wine on Wolvix and since my requirements for Windows binaries are deminishing...ive found it more than enough.Jan 01 18:22
Yfrwlfyep, and if companies would make more Linux games, which is what I'm most interested in, not that running Windows proggies on Linux is a bad thing *shrug*Jan 01 18:22
Diablo-D3you could write the same thing that does linux->windows (instead of windows->linux) using backwards engineering the same wayJan 01 18:22
Diablo-D3and it'd be 100% finished in 2 yearsJan 01 18:22
Yfrwlfyay for WolvixJan 01 18:22
_goblin:) yep!Jan 01 18:22
Diablo-D3no needing to look at the non-public api docs, no needing to look at source codeJan 01 18:23
_goblinDistro of the year (for me)Jan 01 18:23
Diablo-D3but windows, no, its fucking absolute shitJan 01 18:23
Yfrwlfactually I think they already have, there's something for Windows you can install that will allow you to run Linux programs on your Windows desktop.Jan 01 18:24
Diablo-D3yeah, its called virtualbox.Jan 01 18:24
Diablo-D3dohohohohoJan 01 18:24
Yfrwlfand of course you can replace Explorer with KDE..Jan 01 18:24
Yfrwlfnope, nativeJan 01 18:24
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Yfrwlfwell, it's been entertaining, I'm outta, happy holidays everyone ^^Jan 01 18:28
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schestowitzGross..... the new whopperJan 01 19:43
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seller_liarSomeone can explain the real intentions of Monty?Jan 01 19:50
zoobab_snce MySQL is dual licensed, he wants to save the proprietary (=money) part of MySQLJan 01 19:52
zoobab_which Oracle will be happy to killJan 01 19:53
zoobab_ 01 19:53
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seller_liarthanks zoobabJan 01 19:53
zoobab_GPL people won´t care, but this is the way it iss with dual licensingJan 01 19:53
seller_liarWhy monty have sold mysql then?Jan 01 19:54
seller_liarMonty should not to sell MySql to Sun Jan 01 19:56
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Thank you David Tennant....As always a great Doctor Who episode. Sad to see David go IMO the best Dr. #drwhoJan 01 20:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Domain name extension 'could boost cyber-crime' - #outlawstory 01 20:16
phIRCe-localTitle:  Domain name extension 'could boost cyber-crime' - Times Online  .::. Size~: 111.29 KBJan 01 20:16
schestowitzJust had this one pop up: 01 20:19
phIRCe-localTitle:  Boycott Microsoft - Page 7 - AmeriKan Konspiracy .::. Size~: 75.86 KBJan 01 20:19
schestowitzone of my fav musicians caught in a scandal 01 20:26
phIRCe-localTitle: Teddy Riley Responds to Daughter's Assault Allegations - The Boombox .::. Size~: 59.92 KBJan 01 20:26
_goblinschestowitz: Good find....theres alot of material there to show the benefits of using Linux.Jan 01 20:27
_goblinschestowitz: nice to hear all those testimonialsJan 01 20:27
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] the title "Greys Anatomy" does sound like a XXX title starring Sasha Grey.....or is it Sasha Gray?Jan 01 20:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell ’s #Christmas Presents for #Microsoft #mono #MonoTouch #MonoDevelopJan 01 20:33
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Gwibber leaks a lot of memory. Anyone have a good replacement? !Xfce !Debian !LinuxJan 01 20:39
_goblinSeems like everyone is having a good time celebrating the new year....v.quiet here tonight....Jan 01 20:59
schestowitz_goblin: where? The forum?Jan 01 21:04
schestowitzIt seems rather strong in contentJan 01 21:04
schestowitz_goblin: 'twas busy earlier todayJan 01 21:05
_goblinmaybe its just me....Jan 01 21:06
_goblinkeep popping back to see if anyones talking.;..Jan 01 21:06
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @schestowitz: #Novell ’s #Christmas Presents for #Microsoft !monofreeJan 01 21:14
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Of “Cranky Old Nutcases”… #reporting #taboo #monoJan 01 21:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] we need a Steve Ballmer parody of Madonna's Material Girl, "living in a proprietary world and I am a proprietary boy"Jan 01 21:23
phIRCe-localTitle: Of “Cranky Old Nutcases”& | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 92.48 KBJan 01 21:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @ThistleWeb Lol....good one...Like my idea of "God Gave Windows Vista to you" by Kiss. 01 21:26
phIRCe-localTitle: A facebook of Ballmer? & KISS audition «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 42.34 KBJan 01 21:26
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MinceRewJan 01 22:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BillGates is visiting the #WhiteHouse , but it remains unknown what he is actually visiting for 01 22:18
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schestowitzMinceR: it was made for a joke in USENET... I can't recall the contextJan 01 22:24
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Most Popular Of 2009 just added to left sidebar of (counting hits on old NotN site)Jan 01 22:46
phIRCe-localTitle: NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 46.15 KBJan 01 22:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @brettschulte is a spamming piece of shit. Die. #mocknblockJan 01 22:55
phIRCe-localTitle: First of the year... on Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 57.98 KBJan 01 22:55
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Linux Shaping the Decade with Some Excellent Contributions" 01 23:09
phIRCe-localTitle: 2010 Tech Predictions that Matter | 2010 Predictions | Technology Predictions .::. Size~: 55.02 KBJan 01 23:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Powers "Avatar" 01 23:11
phIRCe-localTitle: open...: What Lies at the Heart of "Avatar"? .::. Size~: 101.18 KBJan 01 23:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Graphics Stack in #Linux: A Look #OpenGL 3.x in #Mesa 01 23:12
phIRCe-localTitle: [Phoronix] The State Of OpenGL 3.x in Mesa Core .::. Size~: 17.49 KBJan 01 23:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Game Recommendations for Bored #GNU #Linux Users 01 23:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux Comes to Everything, Even #Garmin 01 23:16
phIRCe-localTitle: BBC News - Will smartphones see off sat-nav? .::. Size~: 49.57 KBJan 01 23:16
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phIRCe-localTitle: The Androidification of Everything  GigaOM .::. Size~: 87.81 KBJan 01 23:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks with #GNU #Linux Good Fit for Emerging Markets 01 23:17
phIRCe-localTitle: Sugar Learning Platform Will Succeed In Virgin Markets - OLPC News .::. Size~: 69.81 KBJan 01 23:17
phIRCe-localTitle: $99 Cherrypal Africa Netbook Now Available .::. Size~: 52.56 KBJan 01 23:17
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Free/Open Source Intrusion Detector ( #Suricata ) is Out 01 23:19
phIRCe-localTitle: Slashdot Linux Story | New Open Source Intrusion Detector Suricata Released .::. Size~: 109.1 KBJan 01 23:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] regon State University Open Source Lab Looks Back at 2009, #Alfresco Eyes 2010 01 23:21
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phIRCe-localTitle: 8 ECM Predictions for 2010 - Content Log .::. Size~: 60.17 KBJan 01 23:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] IE7 now works somewhat on Linux in Wine, if you install it with "winetricks ie7". OH DEAR GOD IT'S HORRIBLEJan 01 23:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship at #Apple Store and #Poland 01 23:36
phIRCe-localTitle: Apple Censors Dalai Lama IPhone Apps in China - PC World .::. Size~: 70.58 KBJan 01 23:36
phIRCe-localTitle: Poland apparently planning to control Internet much more strictly - The H: Security news and Open source developments .::. Size~: 33.46 KBJan 01 23:36
cubezzzdon't run IE, probably better not to use wine if at all possibleJan 01 23:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cory Doctorow on #EBook #DRM , National Book Burning Day is Here 01 23:38
phIRCe-localTitle: Tomorrow Is National Book Burning Day; Thank Your Friendly Entertainment Industry Lobbyists | Techdirt .::. Size~: 100.66 KBJan 01 23:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolists Strategies Outlined, #ACTA is Coming 01 23:40
phIRCe-localTitle: Music Ally  | Blog Archive   » From the archives  March 2001: Major label digital strategies .::. Size~: 36.37 KBJan 01 23:40
phIRCe-localTitle: My only prediction for 2010 and it aint pretty .::. Size~: 29.89 KBJan 01 23:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Pretends it Invented Muscle Sensory #fake #uspto #failJan 01 23:41
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NetworksNeutrality a Big Issue Next Year, #FCC Chairman Account Cracked 01 23:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard that's like ordering doggy bags in a restaurantJan 01 23:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz it's useful for checking the website. everything looks good in Chromium, nothing looks good in IE7 ...Jan 01 23:57

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