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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 3rd, 2010

-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wkimedia makes its $7.5M! ps: if you really hate the banners, do feel free not to use Wikipedia. Start your own ad-free mirror maybe.Jan 03 00:03
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft - Marketing and Public Relations #Patents 03 00:10
phIRCe-localTitle: Marketing and Public Relations Patents | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 93.94 KBJan 03 00:10
shreddarWhat banners. The ones asking for donation? Jan 03 00:10
shreddarI can't imagine anyone being bother by those.Jan 03 00:10
*MinceR feels free to use ABP :>Jan 03 00:11
shreddarNow if they started popup/popunder ads...Jan 03 00:11
shreddarOr those annoying video ads that autoplay and aren't muted by defaultJan 03 00:12
shreddar 03 00:13
phIRCe-localTitle: How Digitized Content Democratizes Knowledge - PC World .::. Size~: 71.22 KBJan 03 00:13
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Running Kahel OS through its Arch based distro which makes some grand claims.... #linux #foss #gnuJan 03 00:14
shreddarIt's amazing how it's easy to take this for granted or overlook it but the internet has and still is have a great impact on education and entertainment and in many example for free.Jan 03 00:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] - Shot of Kahel OS (12-25-2009) Review to follow soon.Jan 03 00:43
phIRCe-localTitle: Shot of Kahel OS (12-25-2009) Review to follow soon. on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.89 KBJan 03 00:43
ender2070_lol looks like CorelJan 03 00:46
shreddarLooks like Gnome to me.Jan 03 00:47
ender2070_the wallpaperJan 03 00:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, Im off to bed. Had a busy day with most of it not having an IT theme. Night all.....Jan 03 00:48
DaemonFCyeah, I used to use Corel softwareJan 03 00:57
DaemonFCstopped buying it when they started making you activate it, and enforced it with a process that always ranJan 03 00:57
DaemonFCI try to at least minimize my dependence on DRM-ridden software that's easily replacedJan 03 00:58
DaemonFCOpenOffice is a lot better than Corel's WordPerfect OfficeJan 03 00:59
DaemonFCCorel's doesn't even support OOXML *or* ODFJan 03 00:59
DaemonFCit supports its own formats which nothing else can even openJan 03 00:59
DaemonFCand Microsoft Office 2003 and earlier formatsJan 03 01:00
DaemonFCPhoto Paint and Corel Draw actually aren't terrible, but the DRM process that they come with should put you off from buying itJan 03 01:00
ender2070_I used wordperfect back in high schoolJan 03 01:01
ender2070_superior to ms word in every wayJan 03 01:01
DaemonFCmaybe back thenJan 03 01:01
ender2070_open office trumps both thoughJan 03 01:01
DaemonFCender2070: If you're paying $100 for an office suite, you expect it to have features that are not in someone else's freebieJan 03 01:02
DaemonFCnot the other way aroundJan 03 01:02
DaemonFCif you're going to pay that much for WordPerfect Office, you should jsut go for broke and get MS OfficeJan 03 01:02
DaemonFCnot that I'd suggest eitherJan 03 01:02
cubezzzI hated WP :)Jan 03 01:03
ender2070_when I used wordperfect it was Corel OfficeJan 03 01:03
cubezzzbut I hated Microsoft even moreJan 03 01:03
ender2070_6.x, 7.x 8.x and 9.x I usedJan 03 01:03
DaemonFCOpenOffice actually poses more of a threat to Microsoft than Linux and every other open source program put togetherJan 03 01:03
ender2070_this was before open officeJan 03 01:03
ender2070_office makes microsoft a killingJan 03 01:03
DaemonFCwell, save for Firefox anywayJan 03 01:03
cubezzzpaperclip wasn't too badJan 03 01:04
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shreddarYeah, DRM authenticated software is something that turns people off to  alot of software. That is once they've spotted it.Jan 03 01:04
DaemonFCender2070: Yeah, it would be more of a tragedy if OOo and Firefox were gone than if Linux ceased to existJan 03 01:04
DaemonFCOpenOffice is actually getting some serious adoption on WindowsJan 03 01:04
DaemonFCand hurting Microsoft from thereJan 03 01:04
DaemonFCthat's what's funnyJan 03 01:04
DaemonFCand they can't do anything about it without getting sued by entire countriesJan 03 01:05
DaemonFChaving OOo and Firefox on Windows has Microsoft fuming and impotent to stop themJan 03 01:05
cubezzzdamn it cbc stop shifting your radio linksJan 03 01:06
DaemonFCTrue that Microsoft doesn't actually make a lot of money directly from IE and their formats and such that you find online, but it does anger them that you can leave Windows and still browse the web just fineJan 03 01:07
shreddarThat reminds the that logically Free/Stable/Mature/Flexible Software > Expensive/Buggy/Invasive/Un-flexible Software.Jan 03 01:07
DaemonFCFirefox is more or less the doorstop that keeps the door from slamming shut and locking you in with WindowsJan 03 01:07
DaemonFChaving their upper management recommending Bing is very disturbing indeedJan 03 01:08
cubezzzthey just want to control everythingJan 03 01:08
cubezzzdon't let themJan 03 01:08
ender2070_yes I found that disturbingJan 03 01:08
DaemonFChaving them stand by and allow Microsoft to infect Firefox with their plug-ins is even more terrifyingJan 03 01:08
ender2070_whats better than firefox though?Jan 03 01:09
shreddarYes that would never have happend if they stayed non-profit.Jan 03 01:09
ender2070_nothing yetJan 03 01:09
ender2070_stuff has potential to be betterJan 03 01:09
cubezzzlynxJan 03 01:09
shreddarender, Chrome is IMO.Jan 03 01:09
ender2070_Chrome has potentialJan 03 01:09
cubezzzor even better... write your own browserJan 03 01:09
DaemonFCyou literally have to stand around and wait for attack sites to start pwning Firefox users before Mozilla blacklists the MS plug-in that let it happenJan 03 01:09
ender2070_Chrome is missing a decent adblocking pluginJan 03 01:10
DaemonFCI'm back to using Seamonkey for some reason or another :PJan 03 01:10
cubezzztinycore for OS, lynx for browser, and do everything text basedJan 03 01:10
shreddarender, yeah, I've had problems with ads too.Jan 03 01:10
shreddarI have tried any of the extensions yet though.Jan 03 01:11
shreddarhaven'tJan 03 01:11
cubezzzdamn it CBCJan 03 01:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Positive Outlook for #GNU #Linux This Year 03 01:11
phIRCe-localTitle: And now for 2010 «  Larry the Free Software Guy .::. Size~: 42.73 KBJan 03 01:11
cubezzzactivex horseshitJan 03 01:12
DaemonFCSeamonkey is more of a community projectJan 03 01:12
DaemonFCMicrosoft only appears to be targeting Firefox with malwareJan 03 01:12
ender2070_I am rooting for Chrome/ChromiumJan 03 01:12
ender2070_I think they can beat firefox soonJan 03 01:13
DaemonFCI doubt itJan 03 01:13
DaemonFCthey forgot rule #1Jan 03 01:13
shreddarWell they already beat them with Web Standards compliance.Jan 03 01:13
DaemonFCGive the people what they want.Jan 03 01:13
DaemonFC:)Jan 03 01:13
shreddarAlso SpeedJan 03 01:13
cubezzzCBC has regressed back to Microsoft onlyJan 03 01:13
DaemonFCChrome is all about Google's agendaJan 03 01:13
ender2070_Chrome is, Chromium isntJan 03 01:13
DaemonFCthere's still no ad blocker pluginJan 03 01:13
ender2070_wrongJan 03 01:14
DaemonFCmaybe Google is blocking it?Jan 03 01:14
DaemonFC:)Jan 03 01:14
ender2070_there is one, its not 100% yetJan 03 01:14
DaemonFCPrivoxy does not countJan 03 01:14
DaemonFCPrivoxy makes a lot of problemsJan 03 01:14
ender2070_adsweeperJan 03 01:14
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PuppyLinux Makes Migration to #GNU #Linux Logical 03 01:14
phIRCe-localTitle: Switching to Linux with Puppy « Systems Engineer's Blog .::. Size~: 30.83 KBJan 03 01:14
DaemonFCFirefox represents the dumbing down of Mozilla SuiteJan 03 01:14
ender2070_a flash click equivalent is also missing, iircJan 03 01:14
DaemonFCI didn't like it from the first time I saw itJan 03 01:14
ender2070_Arora has a lot of potential too, being light and webkit basedJan 03 01:15
shreddarAlso they have made great improvement in making a bloat-ware free browser. Redesigning the UI to be more intuitive and sleeker.Jan 03 01:15
DaemonFCmeh, there's also nothing stopping you from taking GeckoJan 03 01:15
DaemonFCusing itJan 03 01:15
ender2070_gecko is slow and bloatedJan 03 01:15
DaemonFCK-Meleon didJan 03 01:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UNIX / #Linux Luminary on Moving from Microsoft Partner to GNU/Linux 03 01:16
DaemonFCwell, this Gecko 2.0 will supposedly rip out some of the $20,000 toilet seatsJan 03 01:16
DaemonFCwe'll see I guessJan 03 01:16
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Old #Windows PCs Turned to #GNU #Linux #Servers 03 01:17
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cubezzzthis is the 4th time CBC radio has changed it's linkJan 03 01:18
shreddarFirefox 4 will look very much like Chrome.Jan 03 01:18
shreddarI take that as a sign that Mozilla is not leading with innovation.Jan 03 01:19
shreddarLike they did with Firefox 1.Jan 03 01:19
cubezzzbahJan 03 01:20
ender2070_:DJan 03 01:20
ender2070_3.7 is supposed to have part of the new UIJan 03 01:20
cubezzzok, figured out CBC radio 2:Jan 03 01:21
cubezzzmplayer 03 01:21
phIRCe-localTitle: Not a web page! Aborting audio/mpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBJan 03 01:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Kernel Space Monitored for Improvements 03 01:21
phIRCe-localTitle: [Phoronix] One Month Of Monitoring The Linux Kernel Performance .::. Size~: 17.99 KBJan 03 01:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Songbird Becomes Video Player Also 03 01:23
phIRCe-localTitle: OMG! UBUNTU!: Songbird 1.5 gets Video Playback Feature .::. Size~: 87.24 KBJan 03 01:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #WebBrowsers Support #Ogg , #Opera Makes it Official 03 01:25
phIRCe-localTitle: Opera Adds Support for HTML5 Video Element: New 10.5 Pre-Alpha Build .::. Size~: 54.61 KBJan 03 01:25
phIRCe-localTitle: 500 Internal Server Error .::. Size~: 0.71 KBJan 03 01:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Games for #GNU #Linux : Goblin and the Butterfly 03 01:26
phIRCe-localTitle: LinuxGames - Embrace your inner penguin .::. Size~: 15.18 KBJan 03 01:26
cubezzzok, CBC radio 1 is hidden behind a flash frontendJan 03 01:27
cubezzzthe real link:Jan 03 01:27
ender2070_I got this excellent book on CJan 03 01:27
cubezzzmplayer 03 01:27
phIRCe-localTitle: Not a web page! Aborting audio/mpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBJan 03 01:28
ender2070_I was able to download thatJan 03 01:28
ender2070_Konversation told my system to just download itJan 03 01:29
cubezzzyes, because I dug out the true linkJan 03 01:29
shreddarare you using Konqurer?Jan 03 01:30
shreddarOw Wait you're using some text messaging client I see.Jan 03 01:31
ender2070_it didnt open a browser but I assume it used konquererJan 03 01:31
ender2070_I use a KDE DesktopJan 03 01:31
ender2070_if someone links a pdf for anything, it launches the program directly even via httpJan 03 01:32
shreddarThat kinda sucks.Jan 03 01:32
ender2070_only if I click on itJan 03 01:33
ender2070_I can right click and save asJan 03 01:33
ender2070_:DJan 03 01:33
ender2070_in most cases it doesn't suck because it launches the correct programJan 03 01:34
shreddarWhat happens if you use the Webchat client in Konqurer. Does it still do that?Jan 03 01:34
shreddarAlso have you tried Rekonq?Jan 03 01:34
ender2070_not sureJan 03 01:34
ender2070_i use konversationJan 03 01:35
ender2070_i love itJan 03 01:35
ender2070_knotify grabs a lot of thingsJan 03 01:35
ender2070_including downloads from konquererJan 03 01:36
ender2070_I wish firefox would integrate with itJan 03 01:36
ender2070_that would be coolJan 03 01:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] OMFG #Sidux installed in 3mins on my netbook, it boots nice and snappy too. Never seen any OS install so fast. Most impressed so far \o/Jan 03 01:36
ender2070_I've tried Rekonq, doesnt seem to be developed as often as Arora isJan 03 01:36
shreddarYeah, firefox doesn't integrate very well with any linux desktop very well.Jan 03 01:37
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment Explains #Usability Aims #kdeJan 03 01:37
phIRCe-localTitle: KDE Usability Goals for 2010  Celeste Lyn Paul .::. Size~: 34.45 KBJan 03 01:37
ender2070_I like how the KDE apps integrateJan 03 01:37
ender2070_they seem to all act nice togetherJan 03 01:38
shreddarHopefully they make their browser not suck so bad. That's one usability goal I like them to adopt.Jan 03 01:38
ender2070_Konquerer isn't that bad anymoreJan 03 01:38
*cubezzz goes onto FM radio :-0Jan 03 01:38
ender2070_it doesnt render gmail properly, due to google being facistJan 03 01:39
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Pardus #GNU #Linux Receives a Fantastic Review #turkey #kdeJan 03 01:39
ender2070_checking the browser identity and downgradingJan 03 01:39
ender2070_:(Jan 03 01:39
cubezzzCBC is back in the sux categoryJan 03 01:40
shreddarIt's still clunky though. They need to redesign the UI or spin off a new browser they will act less like a clobbering of other apps.Jan 03 01:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #GNU #Linux Distros: #blackPanther OS 10.1 and #ZorinOS 2.0 Released 03 01:40
phIRCe-localTitle: Zorin OS - Zorin OS 2.0 video released .::. Size~: 32.64 KBJan 03 01:40
shreddar 03 01:43
phIRCe-localTitle: Picasa Web Albums - adjam - rekonq .::. Size~: 47.16 KBJan 03 01:43
shreddarrekonq seems to be something like that.Jan 03 01:43
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shreddarI hope they won't skimp on the ever important History, Bookmark search engine and their apparent Uni bars features.Jan 03 01:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Episodes of The #Linux Link Tech Show and #FLOSSWeekly 03 01:46
phIRCe-localTitle: Not a web page! Aborting application/ogg type .::. Size~: 0 KBJan 03 01:46
phIRCe-localTitle: The TWiT Netcast Network with Leo Laporte .::. Size~: 24.79 KBJan 03 01:46
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #MySQL Has Good Future Ahead as Leading #Database 03 01:47
phIRCe-localTitle:   Our Favourite Database Management System, MySQL at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 24.63 KBJan 03 01:47
ender2070_Arora is multi platform, rekonq is kdeJan 03 01:48
ender2070_does rekonq do adblock and flash click yet?Jan 03 01:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Content and Licensing Models a Blessing to Knowledge 03 01:49
phIRCe-localTitle: How Digitized Content Democratizes Knowledge - PC World .::. Size~: 71.44 KBJan 03 01:49
phIRCe-localTitle: dwasifar's daily gripe » Plagiarism and the Creative Commons license .::. Size~: 35.82 KBJan 03 01:49
shreddarI don't use rekonq. I don't even use KDE. I just found out about it today looking for Webkit based browsers.Jan 03 01:50
ender2070_ohh okayJan 03 01:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Python #Programming Turns 20, Role in #GNU #/Linux Debated 03 01:51
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shreddarI struck me immediately as something I've been hoping the KDE devs would do.Jan 03 01:51
ender2070_what do you use?Jan 03 01:51
shreddarI use Chromium on Gnome.Jan 03 01:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #WikiLeaks .org Looks for Grant, ACTA Leaks Lead to Results 03 01:52
ender2070_Sabayon :DJan 03 01:52
phIRCe-localTitle: applies for $532,000 funding from the Knight Foundation -  for "local news" whistleblower leaks ? - WikiLeak .::. Size~: 61.91 KBJan 03 01:52
shreddarEnder do you also use Sabayon on one of you computers or something?Jan 03 02:01
ender2070_I have a friend who doesJan 03 02:03
ender2070_and im a former gentoo userJan 03 02:04
shreddarI've been thinking about trying Gentoo but from what I hear you have to alway maintain it.Jan 03 02:05
ender2070_not any more than you do for sabayonJan 03 02:07
ender2070_the only difference I noticed is that sabayon has binary packages, and gentoo compiles themJan 03 02:07
ender2070_ 03 02:11
phIRCe-localTitle: What's new in KDE SC 4.4 with Videos ! | We love Linux ! .::. Size~: 28.77 KBJan 03 02:11
shreddarThat's probably another reason I've been a hesitant to try it. I don't want to sped forever compiling stuff when I don't really have to.Jan 03 02:11
ender2070_yeahJan 03 02:12
ender2070_I used gentoo up till Ubuntu 4.10 came out (2004)Jan 03 02:13
ender2070_I used that and various other distros till finally settling on Fedora when 11 came outJan 03 02:13
ender2070_F12 is even betterJan 03 02:13
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TheMadHatterevening.Jan 03 02:15
ender2070_heyJan 03 02:16
TheMadHatterNeed a bit of assistance. You know anything about WordPress?Jan 03 02:16
DaemonFC 03 02:16
phIRCe-localTitle: jwz - A special treat for the ten year anniversary of Y2K... .::. Size~: 45.1 KBJan 03 02:16
DaemonFC"SpamAssassin gives any message sent in 2010 a default score of 3.2 because that date "is grossly in the future." But it gets better: they discovered and "fixed" this in June 2009... but never bothered to push out a release. Because being fixed in CVS is good enough, right? That's the Linux way."Jan 03 02:16
ender2070_I know a little bit about WordpressJan 03 02:17
DaemonFClmaoJan 03 02:17
DaemonFCor how about LAME, LAME is even worseJan 03 02:18
DaemonFCthere has to be 1,000 patches before they put out a new releaseJan 03 02:18
DaemonFCeven if 500 of those were criticalJan 03 02:18
TheMadHatterOK, everything works, I can edit, post, just can't view the posts. I am assuming I'm missing a file, any ideas?Jan 03 02:18
DaemonFCsince there's approximately one or two people still working on it in spare time, the next release should only take another 1,000 yearsJan 03 02:19
TheMadHatterSo someone screwed up. What else is new?Jan 03 02:19
DaemonFCthe fact that he said it's the Linux way, and that's trueJan 03 02:19
TheMadHatterBullshit.Jan 03 02:19
DaemonFCsomething gets fixed and stays in git or CVS for months before anyone bothers to release itJan 03 02:19
TheMadHatterAgain, bullshit.Jan 03 02:20
DaemonFCor backport it to the version you're usingJan 03 02:20
ender2070_TheMadHatter +1Jan 03 02:20
TheMadHatterBullshit.Jan 03 02:20
DaemonFCthat's the problem with distribution upgradesJan 03 02:20
ender2070_DaemonFC is kind of a trollJan 03 02:20
DaemonFCsometimes you have to take the whole 3,000 packages to get the one feature you wantedJan 03 02:20
TheMadHatterThere are amatuers (Spam Assassin) and pros (Linux Kernel project).Jan 03 02:21
DaemonFCI think he was talking about programs that run on LinuxJan 03 02:21
DaemonFCmore than the kernel itselfJan 03 02:21
TheMadHatterOr I could say there are amatuers (Microsoft) and pros (Free Software people)Jan 03 02:21
ender2070_:)Jan 03 02:21
DaemonFCyeah, there's still features in free software that were in the proprietary software I was using 10 years agoJan 03 02:22
ender2070_TheMadHatter - not sure about your wordpress problem, I didn't run into thatJan 03 02:22
ender2070_DaemonFC - theres also features in proprietary software that were in free software over 10 years agoJan 03 02:22
DaemonFCstill waiting, and waiting, and hair will turn gray and/or fall out before I see them I guessJan 03 02:22
TheMadHatterender2070_ ok, will try WordPress IRC, just thought I'd drop in here first.Jan 03 02:22
ender2070_DaemonFC - Microsoft didn't have TCP/IP until they used BSD (Free Software) codeJan 03 02:23
DaemonFCI may die of old age before the free software driver supports my video cardJan 03 02:23
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Deep-fried Coca-Cola. Now they just need to do it to Irn-Bru.Jan 03 02:23
phIRCe-localTitle: The Apex of American Ingenuity- Fried Soda .::. Size~: 46.19 KBJan 03 02:23
DaemonFCmuch less the other problemsJan 03 02:23
TheMadHatterRight. Now just ask yourself. Are they necessary? Because if they are, things like say, security patches, Microsoft is one of the worst offenders, with Apple not far behind.Jan 03 02:23
ender2070_DaemonFC - get a video card that supports free software thenJan 03 02:23
DaemonFCno cards that actually perform well support the FOSS driverJan 03 02:24
ender2070_IntelJan 03 02:24
DaemonFCif you want something that's three years old, then "radeonhd" might do something for youJan 03 02:24
DaemonFCIntel doesn't make cardsJan 03 02:24
TheMadHatterNewer ATI stuff is pretty good. Don't touch NVidia, odds are that they won't last out the year.Jan 03 02:24
ender2070_TheMadHatter - i'd say the opposite, but opinions are opinions :)Jan 03 02:25
DaemonFCNVidia still has current Linux drivers for the TNT2Jan 03 02:25
DaemonFCATI abandons cards that are still in devices under warrantyJan 03 02:25
TheMadHatterNot an opinion - NVidia has some real bad problems - read their SEC filings.Jan 03 02:25
DaemonFCwell, if Nvidia goes under, it takes the only cards that have any kind of real Linux supportJan 03 02:26
DaemonFCthat aren't in some netbook you got with your box of cracker jacks, that isJan 03 02:26
DaemonFC:)Jan 03 02:26
ender2070_TheMadHatter - I hate ATI more, their drivers usually depend on certain xorg versionsJan 03 02:26
TheMadHatternot really. ATI/AMD has gotten a lot better.Jan 03 02:26
DaemonFCbullshitJan 03 02:26
DaemonFCthey don't support new Linux distros for monthsJan 03 02:26
TheMadHatternot in providing drivers - in providing information so that Free Software programmers can write drivers.Jan 03 02:26
DaemonFCby the time there's an updated driver, Fedora 13 will be out and unsupportedJan 03 02:26
DaemonFC:PJan 03 02:26
DaemonFCso that the FOSS driver is a.5 years behindJan 03 02:27
DaemonFC*1.5Jan 03 02:27
TheMadHatterActually from what I've seen the FOSS drivers are close to being current with ATI/AMD.Jan 03 02:27
DaemonFCso if you have anything newer than 1.5 years old or older than 3, you're fucked with ATI/LinuxJan 03 02:27
DaemonFCbasicallyJan 03 02:28
TheMadHatterNot my experience.Jan 03 02:28
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Firefox DOMINATES the Web in Antarctica! 03 02:28
phIRCe-localTitle: StatCounter Global Stats - Browser, OS, Search Engine including Mobile Market Share .::. Size~: 10.33 KBJan 03 02:28
ender2070_I really don't like AMD all that muchJan 03 02:28
DaemonFCnewer than 1.5 years old, the FOSS driver won't work and you can't be current with or the kernel, older than 3, FGLRX drops youJan 03 02:28
ender2070_they like microsoft too muchJan 03 02:28
DaemonFCso you're kind of fucked no matter what with ATI, the only question appears to be "How?"Jan 03 02:29
TheMadHatterAntartica. Nice place to visit.Jan 03 02:29
DaemonFCthe only options with Linux involving FOSS drivers for your GPU are shitty integrated or ancient ATI RadeonJan 03 02:30
ender2070_DaemonFC - nothing wrong with Intel gfxJan 03 02:30
DaemonFCotherwise, you depend on proprietary drivers which might not work anywayJan 03 02:30
TheMadHatterGo hear, search on NvidiaJan 03 02:30
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phIRCe-localTitle: SemiAccurate :: News for the Everygeek .::. Size~: 159.43 KBJan 03 02:30
TheMadHatterCharlie has a good reputation for accuracy.Jan 03 02:31
DaemonFCLinux + reasonable GPU = no win scenario Jan 03 02:31
DaemonFCLinux + shitty integrated GPU = Good to goJan 03 02:31
DaemonFCI wouldn't be bragging about a system where 5 minutes in, when you go to install the video card driver, the system hangs and leaves a bunch of crap frozen on the screen and needs a hard resetJan 03 02:32
DaemonFCthere's like, well, there's excuses for anythingJan 03 02:32
DaemonFCthere's no good one for thatJan 03 02:32
DaemonFCand even if you blame AMD or or the kernel people, in the end, it still does not workJan 03 02:34
DaemonFCthe user sees that and chalks it up as "I tried Linux once and it failed immediately"Jan 03 02:34
DaemonFCI presume that's why Ubuntu holds back to a version of the X server that works with the latest driversJan 03 02:35
TheMadHatterHeh. Had the same problem with Windows.Jan 03 02:35
TheMadHatterAnyway, I gotta go fight with Word Press. See ya.Jan 03 02:35
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DaemonFCI'd split the blame 50/50 and say it was AMD and that caused the problem by being a bunch of whining assholes and blaming each other rather than fixing the problemJan 03 02:37
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shreddarI've been hearing people say they are closer to having those graphics card supported directly in the kernel and they by mid 2011 everything should be working superbly.Jan 03 03:08
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shreddarI never have to deal with that stuff because I never spend more than $300 on my computers.Jan 03 03:09
shreddarI'm not some CGI effects movie rendering guru so I don't think I need that stuff.Jan 03 03:10
DaemonFCperfectJan 03 03:16
DaemonFCthat's like a whole year after it's totally obsolete anywayJan 03 03:16
DaemonFCI'll donate it back to the Vietnamese schoolkid who probably made the damned thing to begin with :)Jan 03 03:17
shreddarWell, the way I hear it all the future cards will are the ones that will be working. Not just the current ones.Jan 03 03:18
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oiaohmLot of stuff will be ready mid 2010Jan 03 03:26
oiaohmLatest ATI cards are waiting for lawyers to return from chrismas break to approve a set of paperwork.Jan 03 03:27
oiaohmAfter that ATI driver makers should be able to start to being ahead of ATI card releases.Jan 03 03:27
DaemonFChmmm, lawyersJan 03 03:37
DaemonFCI propose that we sacrifice them to an HP printerJan 03 03:37
DaemonFCto gain its favorJan 03 03:37
DaemonFC 03 03:39
DaemonFChehJan 03 03:39
DaemonFC"See, unlike most hackers, I get little joy out of figuring out how to install the latest toy. I don't get much sense of reward from having discovered how to get the Foo card to coexist with the Bar card. As far as I'm concerned, that crap is a solved problem, and not worth revisiting. That's like banging rocks together and being proud that you've re-derived fire from first principles. It's...Jan 03 03:41
DaemonFC...boring."Jan 03 03:41
DaemonFChow things never changeJan 03 03:41
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cubezzzSGI Indy, I wonder what cards that can useJan 03 03:51
cubezzzI can tell you a little about what happened with SunJan 03 03:51
cubezzzjust before 2000 there was this idea that everyone needed tons of serversJan 03 03:52
DaemonFCI have no idea, I've never used oneJan 03 03:52
DaemonFCwell, not enough to know anything about the hardwareJan 03 03:52
cubezzzso all these data-centres were built but never used anywhere close to there full capacityJan 03 03:52
DaemonFCI did kick IRIX around for several minutesJan 03 03:52
cubezzzas a result, tons of Sun hardware was on the used market for cheapJan 03 03:53
DaemonFCmeaning SPARC Linux machines waiting to happenJan 03 03:53
DaemonFCoh joyJan 03 03:53
cubezzzor SolarisJan 03 03:53
DaemonFCyou're not making me more confidentJan 03 03:53
cubezzzbut you're quoting from Zawinski's web page that looks like it's from 2000Jan 03 03:54
cubezzzthat's a decade oldJan 03 03:54
DaemonFCthe concept remainsJan 03 03:54
DaemonFC"Why should I have to think about this? What year is it again?"Jan 03 03:54
DaemonFCI've had those thoughts a few times when wondering why Linux is puking on something I do in Windows all the timeJan 03 03:54
cubezzzsomeone has to write the driversJan 03 03:55
DaemonFCthe reason Ubuntu became so successful is because it covered up (not fix, covered up) most of the most horrific things Linux will do to its userJan 03 03:56
DaemonFCbut there's still enough sharp edges to catch yourself on if you want to do much more than check your emailJan 03 03:56
cubezzzI'm pretty sure you can use PCI cards on SparcJan 03 03:57
DaemonFCthe "Check your sound card" crap was one of the most annoying things everJan 03 03:57
DaemonFCPulseaudio eventually did fix it, after a couple of years of breaking more than it covered upJan 03 03:58
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cubezzzI never have any trouble with old hardwareJan 03 03:58
DaemonFCthe problem is that Linux's sound system is not well conceived and relies on multiple layers maintained by different people to do what any modern integrated sound system should doJan 03 03:59
DaemonFCit would be almost funny if it didn't cause so many human sacrifices to it by people trying to make it work again without rebootingJan 03 03:59
cubezzzwell, when I have the source code I can write my own patches and...Jan 03 04:00
cubezzzthat includes lgp source ;-)Jan 03 04:00
DaemonFCbut I think what he was saying is if Windows can do it, why can't Linux?Jan 03 04:01
DaemonFCI think it's the mindset of the people who program the stuffJan 03 04:01
cubezzzBECAUSE OF NDA'sJan 03 04:02
DaemonFCLinus Torvalds said once that you would not want him designing your GUI because you'd get something that worked fine for him, but was the most horrible thing you ever had to deal withJan 03 04:02
DaemonFCI think a lot of open source projects go that wayJan 03 04:02
cubezzzI think he just likes text based stuffJan 03 04:02
cubezzzthat's the whole point thoughJan 03 04:02
cubezzzwrite what you need or wantJan 03 04:02
DaemonFChe's made some comments about switching to KDE and GNOME and back againJan 03 04:03
cubezzzif Analog Devices forces a card manufacturer to sign a NDA what can I do about it?Jan 03 04:03
cubezzznothingJan 03 04:03
DaemonFChe moved over to KDE cause GNOME was dumbing everything down and then got pushed back to GNOME cause KDE 4 was a disasterJan 03 04:03
cubezzzthey aren't going to listen to anything I sayJan 03 04:03
DaemonFCthen went back to KDE recentlyJan 03 04:03
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DaemonFClulzJan 03 04:05
DaemonFC"How dare you criticize someone else's work! You got it for free! You should be on your knees thanking them for wasting your time!" Jan 03 04:06
DaemonFCroflJan 03 04:06
cubezzzno the best one is this one:Jan 03 04:08
cubezzz"You're clearly an idiot, Linux is too sophisticated for you, you clearly are incapable of understanding anything, you should go back to kindergarten and/or use a Mac."Jan 03 04:08
cubezzz;-)Jan 03 04:08
cubezzzwait, I found the perfect computer deal for youJan 03 04:10
cubezzz 03 04:10
phIRCe-localTitle: Sun Enterprise 250 Ultra Sparc II 400MHz Server - eBay (item 390136684802 end time  Jan-04-10 15:59:17 PST) .::. Size~: 89.05 KBJan 03 04:10
DaemonFC"       (Really my eventual goal is to be able to create video on Linux, but I figured I'd start small, and see if I could just get playback working before trying something that is undoubtedly ten thousand times harder.) "Jan 03 04:11
DaemonFCI love him alreadyJan 03 04:11
cubezzz80 pounds, wowJan 03 04:11
cubezzzthat's heavyJan 03 04:11
DaemonFCI'm trying to sell MY junk on Craigslist, not buy more of someone elsesJan 03 04:12
DaemonFC:)Jan 03 04:12
cubezzzyou can never have too much junkJan 03 04:12
DaemonFCHow many Sun servers will I have if I by that one?Jan 03 04:12
DaemonFCA. One more than I have any possible use for.Jan 03 04:13
DaemonFC*buyJan 03 04:13
DaemonFCFind me something that interests meJan 03 04:14
DaemonFCFind me a Core i7 Mac for under $100Jan 03 04:14
DaemonFCfunny how every PC I buy is my "last one"Jan 03 04:15
DaemonFCI suspect that's cause of the Mac's pricing made worse by the fact that their financing system charges interest that would make the mafia blushJan 03 04:15
DaemonFCotherise, I would probably have one of their systems sitting on my deskJan 03 04:16
oiaohmDaemonFC: In the case of ATI/AMD is NDA with companies including Microsoft make life insanely hard releasing docs.Jan 03 04:22
ender2070_especially with ATI/AMD being so in bed with MSFTJan 03 04:57
DaemonFC 03 05:10
DaemonFC"Honestly, I can't tell if the problem with the people pushing solar is that they are earnest-but-incompetent hippies, or are just straight-up scam-artists. Either way, it seems like it'd be more efficient to actually set paper money on fire and use that heat to drive a turbine."Jan 03 05:11
DaemonFCoiaohm: What do you think about Zawinski trying to upgrade the DNA Lounge's servers and kiosks from Red Hat Linux 9 (2003) to Ubuntu 7.10 (late 2007) and giving up because Ubuntu was less stable?Jan 03 05:21
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Omar87Hello everyone!Jan 03 06:55
Omar87Okay guys, sorry for the bad words but..: FUCK MICROSOFT!!!Jan 03 06:55
Omar87"I'm going to F*CKING KILL MICROSOFT" ~ Omar S. HafezJan 03 06:57
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] I finally played #HalfLife2 after waiting 5 years (#Steam had the Orange Box cheap). Although it was too short, I am very impressed with it.Jan 03 07:54
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phIRCe-localTitle: Apple Display Suit Dismissed -- Apple -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 81.29 KBJan 03 09:06
schestowitzCalifornia Science Center is sued for canceling a film promoting intelligent designJan 03 09:13
schestowitz"L.A.'s California Science Center will start the new year defending itself in court for canceling a documentary film attacking Charles Darwin's theory of evolution."Jan 03 09:13
schestowitz,0,6400745.storyJan 03 09:13
phIRCe-localTitle: California Science Center is sued for canceling a film promoting intelligent design - .::. Size~: 123.61 KBJan 03 09:13
schestowitzIt's not a "_ theory_ of evolution."Jan 03 09:14
kecskebakIt is a theory - in Science theory means something different to in normal EnglishJan 03 09:19
kecskebakGravity is also a theory, but you don't see creative design fans jumping off of buildingsJan 03 09:20
Diablo-D3seeJan 03 09:20
Diablo-D3this is why hate religionJan 03 09:20
Diablo-D3science _is_ the worship of God.Jan 03 09:20
Diablo-D3in the most pure formJan 03 09:20
kecskebaks/creative/intelligentJan 03 09:20
Diablo-D3we were "intelligently designed" in the sense that God created the fundamental physics in the Universe (including the Universe itself)Jan 03 09:20
Diablo-D3To merely claim what most religious assholes do (that God made the earth 4000 years ago and just plopped Adam and Eve here fully grown) is blasphemy.Jan 03 09:22
kecskebakReally weak God that can be threatened by cancelling a movie.Jan 03 09:24
Diablo-D3kecskebak: the science center has a right to not show anything that isn't accepted scienceJan 03 09:24
kecskebakI agreeJan 03 09:24
Diablo-D3its a _science center_ not a fucking churchJan 03 09:24
Diablo-D3if you want your heathen shit shown, do it in a churchJan 03 09:24
ender2070_religions weaken GodJan 03 09:25
kecskebakI was just saying, the fact they feel their God is so threatened by it that they feel they need to sueJan 03 09:25
ender2070_by comparing God to humansJan 03 09:25
kecskebakShows he's quite weakJan 03 09:25
Diablo-D3ender2070: I don't think God ever intended for science to give birth to religionJan 03 09:25
Diablo-D3kecskebak: no, it shows they're quite weakJan 03 09:25
Diablo-D3notice God is not personally suingJan 03 09:25
Diablo-D3God is up whereever he is, goimg, "omfg not this shit again"Jan 03 09:25
ender2070_lolJan 03 09:26
Diablo-D3he probably has a counter somewhere ticking everytime a religious person does something stupid in his nameJan 03 09:26
Diablo-D3its probably in the hurdreds of digits by nowJan 03 09:26
Diablo-D3its slightly longer than the national debt clock >_>Jan 03 09:27
cubezzzI think the 'young earthers' say the earth is 6,000 years oldJan 03 09:29
kecskebakI've got friends who tell jokes older than that...Jan 03 09:30
cubezzz4000 years would only go back to 2000 BC :)Jan 03 09:30
kecskebakAnd the BBC is showing repeats of Dad's Army that are twice as oldJan 03 09:30
cubezzzI think the pyramids are older than thatJan 03 09:30
kecskebakAnd the hot dog sausages in the local Tescos...Jan 03 09:31
kecskebakThey use carbon dating to work out the best before dateJan 03 09:31
cubezzz:)Jan 03 09:31
ender2070_apparently im guilty of the criminal acts counterfitting and harassmentJan 03 09:32
cubezzzhow so?Jan 03 09:33
cubezzzcounterfeiting?Jan 03 09:34
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ender2070_bogus = counterfeitJan 03 09:34
cubezzz"The age of the pyramids reached zenith at Giza in 2575-2150 B.C."Jan 03 09:35
cubezzzoh so you posted some guy's email on your blog?Jan 03 09:36
ender2070_no he posted mineJan 03 09:36
ender2070_I sent him the DMCA notice, which I've been accused of counterfeiting Jan 03 09:37
schestowitz"OK, it's really no shocker that Apple's iPod touch trounced Microsoft's Zune HD in holiday sales. But couldn't the Zune have at least done a little better? Amazon's list of Bestsellers in Electronics has the iPod touch in the second and third spot, (8GB and 32GB models), while the Zune HD (32GB) languishes at number 89."Jan 03 09:38
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ender2070_schestowitz - not many people want to buy a giant turdJan 03 09:39
ender2070_ever see the brown one? lolJan 03 09:39
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schestowitzThere is a brown one, yes...Jan 03 10:06
ender2070_oh wait I insulted zuneJan 03 10:07
ender2070_wheres my crucifixJan 03 10:07
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] - Kahel running Quake Live. Expect review shortly!(32bit,Gnome) #linux #foss #gnuJan 03 10:07
phIRCe-localTitle: Kahel running Quake Live. Expect review shortly!(32bit,Gnome)... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.98 KBJan 03 10:07
schestowitzZune is not a religious item, so it doesn't entertain this type of legal protectionJan 03 10:12
MurlocMeh watched Scary Movie 4 :pJan 03 10:18
MurlocBut hey a giant Ipod emerging from the ground? Now if that isn't marketing i don't know what is.Jan 03 10:19
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phIRCe-localTitle: Boies Buys $7.8 Million Manhattan Apartment After Cut (Update1) - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 50.85 KBJan 03 10:25
schestowitz"David Boies, the antitrust lawyer who took on Microsoft Corp. and represented Al Gore in the contested U.S. presidential election of 2000, bought a seven room apartment overlooking New York’s Central Park for $7.75 million after the price was reduced by more than 20 percent."Jan 03 10:25
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oiaohm  InterestingJan 03 10:44
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Review - Kahel OS (version 12-25-09) (Gnome) #linux #foss #gnu #free #gnomeJan 03 11:00
phIRCe-localTitle: Kahel OS (version 12-25-09) (Gnome) «  OPEN BYTES  cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 36.01 KBJan 03 11:00
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A recent comment has prompted me to check out the latest Planeshift build (0.5.0) Last time I looked it was a promising Linux MMORG #linuxJan 03 11:20
schestowitz 03 11:31
phIRCe-localTitle: Uranium Is So Last Century — Enter Thorium, the New Green Nuke | Magazine .::. Size~: 127.2 KBJan 03 11:31
schestowitzHeh. 03 11:33
phIRCe-localTitle: Slashdot News Story | Novelist Blames Piracy On Open Source Culture .::. Size~: 184.96 KBJan 03 11:33
schestowitz "With the open-source culture on the Internet, the idea of ownership -- of artistic ownership -- goes away," Alexie added. "It terrifies me."Jan 03 11:35
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schestowitzWhat does that have to do with "open-source"? Nothing.Jan 03 11:36
schestowitzopen source is wrongly being associated with copyright infringementJan 03 11:36
oiaohmThey are looking for someone to blameJan 03 11:37
schestowitzYes, or ways to name itJan 03 11:38
schestowitz 03 11:38
phIRCe-localTitle: SpamAssassin's new year hangover - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.17 KBJan 03 11:38
oiaohmProblem is projects like wikibooks is cutting in on there normally easy payday jobs schestowitzJan 03 11:38
oiaohmThen projects creating open source text books.Jan 03 11:38
oiaohmSo writers of confliting items with open source find no one prepaired to pay for what they have made.Jan 03 11:39
_goblinschestowitz: I dont think they are trying to blame, I think its merely ignorance and lack of understanding on their part.Jan 03 11:39
oiaohmIts a mixture _goblinJan 03 11:39
_goblinschestowitz: oh and good morning....Jan 03 11:39
oiaohmIe open source project cutting into the markets.Jan 03 11:39
oiaohmThen normal people who don't give a rats about copyright doing there normal thing.Jan 03 11:40
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oiaohm  And projects like this don't help the case either  schestowitzJan 03 11:41
MikeyCHey Roy, you get back ok?Jan 03 11:41
phIRCe-localTitle: DIY Book Scanning .::. Size~: 8.1 KBJan 03 11:41
oiaohmOpen source has designed a way of converting the paper versions.  So paper verisons are not safe from being turned electronic.Jan 03 11:41
oiaohmProblem is everything that is created is a double sided source.  Turning books digital are good for achiving.Jan 03 11:42
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schestowitzhey, MikeyCJan 03 11:47
schestowitzyesJan 03 11:47
oiaohmCopy protection in media has been a losing battle.Jan 03 11:48
oiaohmExpect authers of books to get more hostile to the open source world.   Think how may books the Wikipedia has undone.   I cannot say fear open source based documentation is groundless.Jan 03 11:50
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schestowitzoiaohm: newspapers are already hostile towards it (Wikipedia and FOSS)Jan 03 11:56
schestowitzIt devalues themJan 03 11:56
schestowitza lot of reistance to DRM comes from FSF and the same goes for defense of P2P. The RIAA/MAFIAA openly complained about the FSF more than once.Jan 03 11:57
oiaohmencyclopedias think how many of them are no more due to the Wikipedia schestowitzJan 03 11:58
oiaohmMost homes with school age kids in westen world would have tried to have a copy.Jan 03 11:58
Omar87Hi allJan 03 12:00
Omar87schestowitz: did you see my messages earlier today?Jan 03 12:00
schestowitzoiaohm: EncartaJan 03 12:00
schestowitzOmar87: heyJan 03 12:00
schestowitzI have something to show youJan 03 12:01
schestowitzA Vista 7 ad from JordanJan 03 12:01
schestowitz 03 12:01
Omar87schestowitz: okay, let me see.Jan 03 12:01
schestowitzOmar87: what from earlier?Jan 03 12:01
phIRCe-localTitle:  middle east news information::Talal Abu-Ghazaleh International Upgrades to Microsoft Windows 7 .::. Size~: 50.23 KBJan 03 12:01
schestowitzIt's not news, it's an ad disguised as newsJan 03 12:01
schestowitzIt's like saying that Doggie moved to CrunchiesJan 03 12:02
Omar87schestowitz: yes, the same thing happened in my college.Jan 03 12:02
Omar87schestowitz: they have a whole lab powered by Vista 7.Jan 03 12:02
schestowitz 03 12:03
schestowitzOmar87: just another Vista, nothing to worry aboutJan 03 12:04
Omar87schestowitz: I know. :)Jan 03 12:04
MinceR"powered"? :>Jan 03 12:04
schestowitzZayed posted this 03 12:04
phIRCe-localTitle: What's new in KDE SC 4.4 with Videos ! | We love Linux ! .::. Size~: 33.01 KBJan 03 12:04
Omar87MinceR: :-)Jan 03 12:04
oiaohmI better they did not have to pay for windows 7Jan 03 12:04
schestowitzMinceR: yes, it takes up a lot of electricityJan 03 12:05
schestowitzVista takes energy consumption to a whole new levelJan 03 12:05
MinceR:)Jan 03 12:05
schestowitzoiaohm: in Jordan Microsoft lets counterfeiting beJan 03 12:05
schestowitzAnd makes it cheapJan 03 12:05
schestowitzNew: 03 12:05
phIRCe-localTitle: 100 million rupees grant from Microsoft to MOE .::. Size~: 27.4 KBJan 03 12:05
schestowitz 03 12:05
phIRCe-localTitle: Microfinance sector taps Microsoft to intensify technology adoption | Manila Bulletin .::. Size~: 20.91 KBJan 03 12:05
schestowitzI'm gonna write about these tomorrowJan 03 12:05
schestowitzDumping in education, via Microsoft NGOs tooJan 03 12:06
oiaohmEncarta is only one of many to go buy buy schestowitz  Lot of uni based ones are gone.Jan 03 12:09
schestowitzBritannica tried to copy the Wiki modelJan 03 12:10
oiaohm2010 is when at long last Linux gets lots of the tech to compete with windows.Jan 03 12:10
oiaohmNow the MS people are trying to claim Linux is cloning windows.Jan 03 12:10
schestowitzThey probably have longer to survive because of reputation. Nothing lasts forever,.Jan 03 12:11
schestowitzoiaohm: and suing itJan 03 12:11
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Iwonder how many peeps thought of Total Recall when they heard about a full body scannerJan 03 12:11
oiaohmSueing Linux is a death sence of MS.Jan 03 12:11
schestowitzThat's OK, as long as Linux developers don't pay attention to Microsoft intimidation and trash talkJan 03 12:11
oiaohmThere is no major hardware vendors that don't support Linux.Jan 03 12:12
schestowitzoiaohm: they have become more secretive about it. IMHO. I'll explain why.Jan 03 12:12
schestowitzLast year if I searched "Microsoft" and "Linux" in same headline you could see confrontations from MicrsoftJan 03 12:12
schestowitzRight now Microsoft know it gets flak for attacking Linux. Big PR blunders...Jan 03 12:12
schestowitzSo it seems to be doing it only quietly... like passing patents to trollsJan 03 12:12
oiaohmAlso that Linux supports will fight to the death.Jan 03 12:13
schestowitz"Jan 03 12:13
schestowitz# IP Innovation v. Red Hat & Novell, Case No. 07–cv-0447; Patent Nos. 5,072,412 and 5,394,521.Jan 03 12:13
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Central Office of Information spent £20,000 on summer party for staff | UK news | The Observer 03 12:13
schestowitzoiaohm: nvidia drivers enter Linux (the free ones)Jan 03 12:13
schestowitz2.6.33Jan 03 12:13
oiaohmSCO case was classic.Jan 03 12:13
oiaohmAll the parties involved could have settled out.  But no they wanted revenge so no settle.Jan 03 12:14
oiaohmIf MS wants to take on Linux they better be ready for years in court.Jan 03 12:14
schestowitzApple fans are afraid of Mobile Linux. 03 12:14
phIRCe-localTitle:   Android hype vehicle set to crash in 2010  RoughlyDrafted Magazine .::. Size~: 52.01 KBJan 03 12:14
oiaohmAnd if Linux cannot win it court they will just run them out of money.Jan 03 12:14
oiaohmAnd win by default.Jan 03 12:14
schestowitz"...Microsoft wished to promote SCO and its pending lawsuit against IBM and the Linux operating system. But Microsoft did not want to be seen as attacking IBM or Linux." --Larry Goldfarb, Baystar, key investor in SCOJan 03 12:15
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Retailers fear Simon Cowell and Harry Potter overkill | Business | 03 12:15
schestowitzSubstitute IBM with Red Hat and SCO with Acacia?Jan 03 12:15
schestowitzWow. Apple fans are really nervous about this..... 03 12:16
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schestowitz 03 12:16
phIRCe-localTitle: Google takes on HP, Dell (and Microsoft) with own Chrome OS-based netbook | IBTimes .::. Size~: 43.65 KBJan 03 12:16
schestowitz 03 12:16
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oiaohmBoy the apple fans have missed the big one schestowitzJan 03 12:18
oiaohmAndroid is sneaky.   The Android app store is at the control of the provider.  So closed source applications they get paid for.Jan 03 12:19
schestowitzHmmmmmm... shilling for Rockerfeller and Gates for Monstanto? 03 12:20
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schestowitzRMS: "A court dismissed changes against Blackwater guards who killed Iraqi civilians, saying prosecutors acted illegally collecting evidence. " 03 12:21
schestowitzoiaohm: Android store claims 20k appsJan 03 12:21
schestowitzApple's numbers don't matter much, there's already an abundanceJan 03 12:21
schestowitzMany Java app devs are porting to AndroidJan 03 12:21
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oiaohm  Could be way more than 20k quicky if this gets working schestowitzJan 03 12:33
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oiaohm  Most people missed this.    Andriod will not be just java.Jan 03 12:36
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schestowitzMany apps there require rooting, I heard yesterday on the Linux Tech ShowJan 03 12:43
schestowitz 03 12:51
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schestowitzThat would help Palm a lotJan 03 12:52
oiaohm  This is coming along nicely.Jan 03 12:53
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schestowitz,0,3142403.story He formed a nonprofit, Ubuntu, and in January 2008 returned to treat patients and train staff at a clinic in Akon.Jan 03 12:53
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schestowitzGr..... something hammers on BN againJan 03 13:11
schestowitzLooks like some Windows botsJan 03 13:16
schestowitzI've set iptables to block themJan 03 13:17
schestowitzSite unavailable for a long time due to theseJan 03 13:17
pawel_121windows shouldn't be allowed to access internetJan 03 13:18
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pawel_121I keep this thing only for few gamesJan 03 13:19
schestowitzSo why preach to the chair, then?Jan 03 13:20
schestowitzI'd rather WIndows surfers become aware of Microsoft's unacceptable behaviour. They are least likely to know about itJan 03 13:20
schestowitzI've probably wasted 3 hours during this vacation fighting those bots that denies thousands from accessing the siteJan 03 13:21
schestowitzNow that's what they call TCO :-)Jan 03 13:21
pawel_121many people are just unaware zombies ;)Jan 03 13:22
schestowitzVast majorityJan 03 13:22
schestowitzThe press doesn't report on it and those who try get their stories spikes or job lostJan 03 13:22
schestowitz /spikes/spiked/   /denies/denied/Jan 03 13:23
schestowitzHow many Linux users are likely to buy this thing? 03 13:23
schestowitzThis is mostly aimed at Windows users, I reckonJan 03 13:23
schestowitz 03 13:24
pawel_121ms and its slaves is like a mafiaJan 03 13:24
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pawel_121are*Jan 03 13:24
pawel_121it looks similar to DigiKamJan 03 13:25
oiaohmyou can take style that both are QT applications pawel_121Jan 03 13:28
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pawel_121oiaohm ok Jan 03 13:29
pawel_121I'd rather choose DigiKam :)Jan 03 13:30
schestowitzGwenview for meJan 03 13:30
schestowitzIt's also plasmafiedJan 03 13:30
oiaohmDigiKam is mostlikely more functinal.Jan 03 13:31
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schestowitz*LOL* 03 13:36
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schestowitz"They apparently offer two certifications: “GCPA – Googlle Certified Professional in Advanced Computing,” which promises to teach you technologies related to “Windows Professional” and “Linux Professional.” The other certification is “GCPE – Googlle Certified Professional in E-Commerce,” which gives you more consumer-oriented skills, such as Photoshop.'Jan 03 13:37
schestowitz" These courses take two years to complete, but the site notes that they also offer “Modular courses – duration 60 days to 90 days that can enhance your computer skills and offer you “GOOGLLE” certification, no matter what your specific requirement.” Oh goody, a Googlle certification."Jan 03 13:37
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kecskebakRead something interesting today. The USA is like a person earning $200,000 dollars a year with a debt of $12 millionJan 03 13:45
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pawel_121oiaohm DigiKam is mostlikely more functinal.Jan 03 13:49
pawel_121oiaohm and it's free :)Jan 03 13:49
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] It just occurred to me, but should the White House be renamed to reflect a multicultural US? I know it refers to the building itself btwJan 03 14:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] congrats to Leeds Utd, the best team won today, despite the terrible refereeing.Jan 03 15:05
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DaemonFCschestowitz: 03 15:12
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amarsh04schestowitz: 03 15:27
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schestowitzYEs, I sawJan 03 15:27
amarsh04np...Jan 03 15:27
amarsh04btw DaemonFC, in your posting here about ATI, you were saying that anything more than about 3 years old wasn't supported in Linux. That might be true for proprietary fglrx, but with the free drivers I'm getting good results from the 2003 era radeon 9200se and the 2008 era radeon 3200hdJan 03 15:30
DaemonFCFGLRX has a very limited range of cards that it gives so-so performance onJan 03 15:31
DaemonFCI'd rather use Windows than put up with itJan 03 15:31
amarsh04I'd rather use Free drivers (-:Jan 03 15:31
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DaemonFCI've personally come to think the open source deal was a copout sprung from not wishing to provide proper support for their productsJan 03 15:32
DaemonFCthe open source driver only kind of half works with a card whose first reference chipset came out just over one year ago, so you tell meJan 03 15:32
DaemonFCI can get good 2d acceleration, Compiz, and some accelerated OpenGL support on certain programsJan 03 15:33
DaemonFCmaybe Fedora 13 will ship with the rest of the support for my card, who knows? Here's hopingJan 03 15:33
amarsh04I certainly had fun finding and installing a driver for the 9200se that worked in the ancient w95osr2 on another hard disk in the machine, likewise for the realtek 8139 installed for 100 Mbit/s ethernetJan 03 15:33
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DaemonFCLike, I could get Sauerbraten to run wonderfully, but Prey (Linux version) wouldn't workJan 03 15:34
DaemonFCneither would any Windows game I tried out in WineJan 03 15:34
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Twitter users urged to stay calm during Fry drought 03 15:34
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shreddarI myself never once considered paying for a Zip/Unzip program.Jan 03 15:34
amarsh04funnily enough W95osr2 worked fine with the soundblaster live!5.1 model 0220, which wouldn't work properly with later versions of ms-windowsJan 03 15:35
amarsh04I registered PKZIP 2.04g Jan 03 15:35
DaemonFCshreddar: I just used the DOS version of pkzip/pkunzip for YEARSJan 03 15:35
DaemonFClike, I was still using them until Windows Me had native ZIP supportJan 03 15:35
amarsh04or maybe that was just DSZJan 03 15:35
amarsh04I did register PAK 2.10Jan 03 15:35
DaemonFCfunniest part was that they were 30 day shareware that were nagging me for like 10 years to register them :)Jan 03 15:36
DaemonFCthe Windows version of PKZIP had a freeware mode where it installed Cydoor spywareJan 03 15:36
DaemonFCor you could pay them $40Jan 03 15:36
DaemonFCI chose to use the DOS versionJan 03 15:36
amarsh04and paid for a PPP stack for MS-DOS. Novell should have just made LAN Workplace for DOS FLOSS when they abandoned itJan 03 15:36
DaemonFCamarsh04: What was worse was paying for TCP/IP on Windows 3.1 or the first iteration of Windows 95Jan 03 15:37
DaemonFC$30 license for Trumpet WinsockJan 03 15:37
amarsh04my work was running Netware 3.12 so they purchased the Novell Client kit which came with the TCP/IP stackJan 03 15:38
DaemonFCyou could do that, or you could choose AOL, MSN,  Compuserve, Prodigy....instead of the real internetJan 03 15:38
shreddarIf Windows was Trial Ware I bet most people would just as easily not pay. (Which is why they couldn't do that 3 Application antif-eature they wanted for the beginner version)Jan 03 15:38
DaemonFCyeah, Microsoft never sold Windows 95 OSR 2/2.1 directlyJan 03 15:39
DaemonFCit had FAT32 and TCP/IP by default, as well as full support for USB 1.1Jan 03 15:39
amarsh04yes, I know, it's still installed and runnable on this machineJan 03 15:39
DaemonFCof course there kind of were no PCs that supported USB really and Apple was trying to make Firewire the standardJan 03 15:40
DaemonFCI came close to buying a Mac when they released the G4 cube but went with a Windows 98 PC insteadJan 03 15:40
DaemonFCOS 9 was just as bad reallyJan 03 15:41
DaemonFCsome people had tried to install Linux and were never heard from again because it didn't support their modem :)Jan 03 15:41
amarsh04depends on the era... I found an old soyo motherboard from the mid-90's that had pins for connecting USB which worked fineJan 03 15:42
DaemonFCactually it's funny, because Linux never had proper 3dfx graphics card support until years after the company went bankruptJan 03 15:42
amarsh04this machine from early 1998 has 2 usb sockets on the backJan 03 15:42
amarsh04well, the DPT SCSI controller in this machine is just a twinkle in Adaptec's eye nowJan 03 15:43
DaemonFCLinux rule appears to be "If it doesn't work and there are only a few billion people that have such a device, try back in a year or three"Jan 03 15:43
amarsh04no trace of drivers on adaptec's siteJan 03 15:43
DaemonFCAdaptec I think is who made my CD burning software that I was using like 12 years agoJan 03 15:44
amarsh04runs fine in linuxJan 03 15:44
DaemonFCtried to keep using it in Windows ME but it wouldn't work fullyJan 03 15:44
DaemonFCthe entire drive backup needed DOSJan 03 15:44
DaemonFCso I ended up patching Windows ME to allow booting to DOSJan 03 15:44
DaemonFCand all was well for like a year until Windows XP came outJan 03 15:44
DaemonFCI got an XP system on the first day you could get themJan 03 15:45
DaemonFCall kinds of application crashes, driver problems, blue screens of death. The original XP was worse than Windows 98Jan 03 15:45
DaemonFCand it took 4 years and two service packs before I really wanted to deal with it (I ducked back to Windows 2000)Jan 03 15:46
DaemonFCI don't know HOW Microsoft can be this awful and somehow Linux appeals to me less. I presume it's because I have hardware that's less than 5 years old most of the time.Jan 03 15:47
DaemonFCI prefer driver crashes to device doesn't workJan 03 15:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novint Falcon Input Device Under #Linux 03 15:48
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DaemonFCActually, I'd prefer neither but there doesn't seem to be an OS for thatJan 03 15:48
DaemonFCWindows 7 can play my games for 1 second - infinity hours before the driver has a problem, the game is shut down, Aero disappears, and then everything comes back upJan 03 15:49
DaemonFCit's not just this system eitherJan 03 15:49
DaemonFCThere's quite a few new bugs here that I never encountered in VistaJan 03 15:50
shreddarStop being a early adopter then.Jan 03 15:51
DaemonFCI probably shouldJan 03 15:51
DaemonFCthere was a Service Pack 1 branch before Windows 7 RTM even shippedJan 03 15:51
DaemonFCprobably see that sometime this year or early nextJan 03 15:52
shreddarBuy hardware/software package that is proven to work. The Latest isn't always the greatest.Jan 03 15:52
DaemonFCmy hardware is pretty mainstreamJan 03 15:52
DaemonFCI'm not buying anymore Nvidia stuff because of their political contributions if nothing elseJan 03 15:53
DaemonFCIf Nvidia wants to donate to get crap like Prop 8 passed, they can do it without my moneyJan 03 15:53
DaemonFCI don't really care if they do have good Linux driversJan 03 15:55
DaemonFC"Lets all sell our soul and work for Satan cause it's easier"Jan 03 15:56
schestowitzbbl, off to the gymJan 03 15:57
DaemonFCbrb, off to the Huggy Bear to get my daily 88 ounces of diet mountain dewJan 03 15:58
DaemonFCor legal crack cocaine as I sometimes refer to itJan 03 15:58
DaemonFCI really need to start parking my car where the sun can hit the windshield :PJan 03 15:59
MikeyChey roy, you there?Jan 03 16:11
MikeyCi'm going gym tooJan 03 16:12
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Omar87_Hi allJan 03 16:14
Omar87_schestowitz: are you there?Jan 03 16:14
shreddarNo he went to the gym.Jan 03 16:15
Omar87_shreddar: I see.Jan 03 16:16
Omar87_Okay, guys, ya know what?Jan 03 16:16
shreddar'Sup Omar?Jan 03 16:17
Omar87_With every day that passes, I'm beginning to become more and more obsessed with just destroying M$ at any cost.Jan 03 16:17
Omar87_The way people are worshipping that company just never fails to piss the living hell outta me.Jan 03 16:18
shreddarI don't think those are real people.Jan 03 16:18
Omar87_I mean.. is this healthy? Is it bad? What should I do?Jan 03 16:19
Omar87_shreddar: they are, man. Trust me.Jan 03 16:19
shreddarThe only real people who like them are business guys.Jan 03 16:19
shreddarInvestors.Jan 03 16:19
Omar87_shreddar: I know people who literally refuse to know anything but Micrsoft.Jan 03 16:19
shreddarAnd dudes from Michigan. Jan 03 16:19
Omar87_Microsoft**Jan 03 16:20
DaemonFCOmar87_: But what about all the good things Hitler did? Oh wait......Jan 03 16:20
DaemonFC;)Jan 03 16:20
Omar87_DaemonFC: what?Jan 03 16:20
DaemonFCI wonder if anyone else got thatJan 03 16:21
Omar87_[<DaemonFC>: "Lets all sell our soul and work for Satan cause it's easier"]Jan 03 16:23
Omar87_DaemonFC: Exactly, that's how people are thinking.Jan 03 16:24
DaemonFCOmar87_: I was mainly referring to Nvidia and their political contrbutionsJan 03 16:24
Omar87_DaemonFC: except for the fact that ppl don't see MS as satan.Jan 03 16:24
kecskebakI think in many cases Microsoft is seen as safe - it's like "No-one ever got fired for buying IBM" syndromeJan 03 16:24
kecskebakAs soon as you leave One Microsoft Way you have to make decisionsJan 03 16:24
kecskebakAnd most managers can't do thatJan 03 16:25
DaemonFCkecskebak: When Jamie Zawinski is having problems getting Linux to workJan 03 16:25
DaemonFCand can't figure out why it's doing what it doesJan 03 16:25
DaemonFCI take that as a sign that if someone much smarter than I am is having those problems, it's not just meJan 03 16:25
shreddarWho Jamie Zawinski?Jan 03 16:26
DaemonFCand that I may want to just abandon all hope of getting it to do what I wantJan 03 16:26
DaemonFCshreddar: Programmer, all around smart guyJan 03 16:26
kecskebakEvery year I've been using GNU/Linux it's been doing more and more of the things I wantJan 03 16:26
DaemonFCworked on Netscape, Mozilla, XEMacs, tons of Linux stuffJan 03 16:27
kecskebakIt still can't do everything, but things are looking better each yearJan 03 16:27
DaemonFCand makes PALM apps and distributes them under the GPLJan 03 16:27
kecskebakI can't speak for anyone else. but personally I'm really optimisticJan 03 16:27
Omar87_DaemonFC: oh, come on, now. Mozilla stuff can't do everything?Jan 03 16:27
DaemonFCfor his personal use, he gave up and just bought a Mac, but for the DNA Lounge he still uses Linux on most everythingJan 03 16:27
shreddarThe thing I hate about Linux is that I've been unable to make contact with Cybertron with it. I $%^ing hate it! Why do these things have to be so difficult!!Jan 03 16:28
DaemonFCHe left his main server running Red Hat Linux 9 until 2008Jan 03 16:28
DaemonFCbecause Ubuntu had more problems when he tried to upgrade to thatJan 03 16:28
DaemonFChe also wrote about upgrading to Fedora 5 once because the latest official Fedora 4 updates destroyed ALSA and lost him his right stereo channelJan 03 16:29
DaemonFCI always laugh when he writes this stuff about his Linux frustrations because it's kind of horrifying that he can't figure it outJan 03 16:30
DaemonFCthen his rant about XINE and MPlayer was knee-slapping funnyJan 03 16:31
DaemonFC"When Mplayer creates a new window, it automatically moves your cursor to the upper left so that when it starts spitting out dialogs that say "Error!" 5 times a second, you have to log into another terminal to kill it remotely"Jan 03 16:32
DaemonFCor something to that effectJan 03 16:32
DaemonFCit got real good when he started talking about Mplayer's terrible GUIJan 03 16:32
DaemonFCI myself have always avoided MPlayer, I have always hated itJan 03 16:33
Omar87_DaemonFC: don't forget that Linux is, in fact, the most rapidly developing OS.Jan 03 16:33
Omar87_DaemonFC: I fail to see why.Jan 03 16:33
DaemonFCwhen something brings it in as a dependency, a little piece of me diesJan 03 16:33
Omar87_MPlayer is a pretty good program. I use it almost always. Does really need to have a good GUI?Jan 03 16:34
Omar87_Does *it*...Jan 03 16:34
DaemonFCA lot of the GUI work on open source apps is either amateur or so totally complex that you'll never figure it outJan 03 16:34
DaemonFCthat's the problem KDE and GNOME have stated they want to solveJan 03 16:34
Omar87_DaemonFC: not really.Jan 03 16:35
DaemonFCthey do solve a lot of it, in the programs that are officially from GNOME and KDEJan 03 16:35
DaemonFCbut that's like 10% of what you're going to useJan 03 16:35
ender2070_shut upJan 03 16:36
shreddarKDE is mature. Firefox 1 was nothing to scoff at either.Jan 03 16:36
ender2070_if you dont like it, help outJan 03 16:36
DaemonFCGNOME has been struggling with the functionality vs. pissing the user off with stuff that they'll never need that only gets in the way problemJan 03 16:36
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shreddarI agree Gnome does have a crappy UI.Jan 03 16:37
DaemonFCender2070: So why is it exactly, that on Windows or Mac, most of the apps don't look or act freakishly different or totally alien from one anotherJan 03 16:37
DaemonFCwhen this is the norm on LinuxJan 03 16:37
ender2070_windows and mac have less choiceJan 03 16:37
shreddarI would like to start another Gnome project but I can't program myself out of a paper bag.Jan 03 16:37
DaemonFCender2070_: They have all their own programs, and pretty much everything open source as wellJan 03 16:37
ender2070_shredder +1 - i have the same idea but no programming skills or bandwidthJan 03 16:38
DaemonFCin fact, Windows applications give me fine grained control whereas GNOME applications give me some presets that someone thought I should useJan 03 16:38
ender2070_DaemonFC - nobody wants to conform to one toolkitJan 03 16:38
Omar87_DaemonFC: in my opinion, KDE has completely bypassed Winblows a long time ago.Jan 03 16:38
DaemonFCGstreamer is the biggest example of thatJan 03 16:38
ender2070_DaemonFC - KDE is a good example of unity btwJan 03 16:38
DaemonFCso I have to use KDE and KDE applications to get the same level of control that I get on WindowsJan 03 16:38
DaemonFCand it has entire pieces missing or makes simple things complicatedJan 03 16:39
ender2070_go back to windows thenJan 03 16:39
ender2070_if you like it so muchJan 03 16:39
DaemonFCwell, every distribution that has ever really tried to mimic Windows or Mac has chosen KDEJan 03 16:39
DaemonFCGNOME looks, feels, and acts dated and dumbed downJan 03 16:40
ender2070_KDE and its apps are the most polishedJan 03 16:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @extremizt: Google and India Test the Limits of #Liberty 03 16:40
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @brpbhaskar: What next? Muslim Only lines at airports? 03 16:40
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ender2070_KDE has a framework that other apps can integrate withJan 03 16:40
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shreddarIf I did have the skills I wouldn't want to use GTK+ anyway. I'd start with KDE libs. Then eliminate the bloat and make a UI surrounding the browser.Jan 03 16:40
ender2070_Novell and Ubuntu even have a version of firefox that integrates better with KDE, they got the file chooser dialog in there and buttonsJan 03 16:41
shreddarIt'd be so cool the way I'm imagining it.Jan 03 16:41
DaemonFCender2070_: GNOME and GTK+ seem like they have no idea where they're going exactlyJan 03 16:41
ender2070_DaemonFC - i can agree with you on gnomeJan 03 16:41
DaemonFCand that scares me considering a major new release it no more than a year awayJan 03 16:41
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] why do some apps or config screens STILL stretch beyond the screen size & offer no scroll function. It's 2010; why do we have to drag stuff?Jan 03 16:41
ender2070_DaemonFC - however I think KDE is doing the best job right nowJan 03 16:41
shreddarI'm still wondering why middle click scroll isn't available in GTK/Gnome apps.Jan 03 16:42
DaemonFCender2070: Probably soJan 03 16:42
DaemonFCI really wish they'd port the whole damned thing to Windows as an alternative shellJan 03 16:42
ender2070_the reason KDE is bashed I think, is because companys have to buy Qt to make proprietary shitJan 03 16:42
ender2070_DaemonFC - they are VERY close to thatJan 03 16:42
ender2070_DaemonFC - KDE on WindowsJan 03 16:42
DaemonFCwell, you can use QT and license your program under the GPL and still charge money to support itJan 03 16:43
DaemonFCsome companies do thatJan 03 16:43
ender2070_yesJan 03 16:43
ender2070_I agree with that modelJan 03 16:43
shreddarDaemonFC I think they are woking on a KDE for Windows shell. It's just alot more complicated then just the apps.Jan 03 16:43
ender2070_a lot of businesses dont want to give out there codeJan 03 16:44
DaemonFCshreddar: I think you can run it with CygWin, but who would want that?Jan 03 16:44
ender2070_thats why they put pressure on miguel to un-gpl monoJan 03 16:44
ender2070_now mono can get all sorts of proprietary addonsJan 03 16:44
DaemonFCI think LGPL is a better choice in those casesJan 03 16:44
ender2070_mono is MITJan 03 16:44
DaemonFCicckJan 03 16:44
ender2070_microsoft can take their bug fixes to their languageJan 03 16:45
DaemonFCwell, nothing like letter other companies run off with your code, make it better, and then make it closed source and charge for itJan 03 16:45
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Sean Connery by @cracked "You can get away with a lot of shit when you're that awesome."Jan 03 16:45
DaemonFCCedega anyone?Jan 03 16:45
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ender2070_heheJan 03 16:45
ender2070_hey some people are weak and only want their name attributedJan 03 16:45
DaemonFCthe problem with Wine is that it's LGPL nowJan 03 16:46
DaemonFCso Cedega can just use the bits they need from Wine and keep the rest of Cedega under their licenseJan 03 16:46
DaemonFCmilk the best of both worlds, MIT and LGPLJan 03 16:46
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DaemonFCso Cedega is more up to date than people want to say it isJan 03 16:47
ender2070_“When it comes to defending the freedom of others, to lie down and do nothing is an act of weakness, not humility.”Jan 03 16:47
DaemonFCbut they also have to give patches back to Wine for those sectionsJan 03 16:47
DaemonFCwhich they doJan 03 16:47
ender2070_Cedega is dyingJan 03 16:47
DaemonFCgives them the ability to keep development costs low while still charging a lot of money for licensesJan 03 16:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] This week is going to be great for wrestling! Return of Hulk Hogan (to TNA) and Bret Hitman Hart returning to WWE. Monday night wars again?Jan 03 16:48
DaemonFCI've always wondered how they lasted this longJan 03 16:48
ender2070_Cedega hasn't been updated in like a yearJan 03 16:48
DaemonFCit's cheaper to buy Windows than it is to subscribe to CedegaJan 03 16:48
DaemonFCand Windows is 100% Windows compatible :)Jan 03 16:48
ender2070_lolJan 03 16:48
ender2070_I just grab the source code for cedegaJan 03 16:49
shreddarI think I heard something about Cedega being unofficially dead.Jan 03 16:49
ender2070_yeahJan 03 16:49
ender2070_someone had mentioned they hadn't updated in like a yearJan 03 16:49
DaemonFCstill charging the licensingJan 03 16:49
shreddarAn a official announcement would come sometime soon.Jan 03 16:49
DaemonFCthey're making money off CiderJan 03 16:49
ender2070_and had like 6 updates for another product they were working onJan 03 16:49
DaemonFCEA is compiling all their Windows games against CiderJan 03 16:50
DaemonFCthen takes a cut of the Cider profitsJan 03 16:50
DaemonFCthen like, 3 years later, Cider work gets ported to CedegaJan 03 16:50
DaemonFCjoyJan 03 16:50
ender2070_I hope source gets portedJan 03 16:50
DaemonFCwell, they're fucking moronsJan 03 16:51
ender2070_theres rumors of Ryan Gordon working for themJan 03 16:51
DaemonFCa project like Cider and Cedega should be the same source recompiled to run on Linux and MacJan 03 16:51
ender2070_(icculus)Jan 03 16:51
DaemonFCthey're so damned stupid that they leave Cedega lagging behind the Mac version by yearsJan 03 16:51
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DaemonFCbut the licensing fees are the sameJan 03 16:52
DaemonFCthat's the real insultJan 03 16:52
DaemonFCLinux users pay the same amount for a substandard version of what Mac users getJan 03 16:52
DaemonFCand some even *brag* about having CedegaJan 03 16:53
DaemonFClike "Oh, you just have Wine? You must not be able to *afford* the Cedega goodness"Jan 03 16:53
ender2070_ive never heard thatJan 03 16:53
DaemonFCthen you get to inform them that Wine is running newer games than CedegaJan 03 16:53
DaemonFCand it's freeJan 03 16:53
ender2070_its free software tooJan 03 16:54
ender2070_not just free as in priceJan 03 16:54
DaemonFCI don't care what it isJan 03 16:54
DaemonFCI didn't have to fork over $55 a year for itJan 03 16:54
DaemonFC:DJan 03 16:54
ender2070_why dont you get the cedega source code and compile it yourselfJan 03 16:54
DaemonFC55 x 5 = $275Jan 03 16:54
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DaemonFCWindows 7 Home Premium = $200 retail or like $120 OEM I thinkJan 03 16:55
ender2070_they still call the source tree winexJan 03 16:55
shreddarI can't imagine paying a subscription for "compatibility layer". In fact I can't imagine paying money for any software platform.Jan 03 16:55
DaemonFCso you save money buying Windows instead of CedegaJan 03 16:55
DaemonFCassuming you upgrade Windows every 5 yearsJan 03 16:55
ender2070_if you run windows its stupid not to have the latestJan 03 16:55
DaemonFCender2070_: Not necessarilyJan 03 16:56
ender2070_microsoft ignores older versionsJan 03 16:56
ender2070_its security team is shitJan 03 16:56
DaemonFCVista + SP2 + Platform Update gives you pretty much all of Windows 7 that means anythingJan 03 16:56
ender2070_they cant focus as well updating every version for security issuesJan 03 16:56
ender2070_and it showsJan 03 16:57
DaemonFCI actually have a Vista Business license I thought about replacing Windows 7 Home Premium withJan 03 16:57
ender2070_then you're a bigger nub than I thoughtJan 03 16:57
DaemonFCI found a lot of things in Windows 7 I hate worse than VistaJan 03 16:57
DaemonFCespecially the interfaceJan 03 16:57
DaemonFC7 is also buggierJan 03 16:58
DaemonFCVista never shut down Aero with no warning then it comes back laterJan 03 16:58
DaemonFCstill haven't figured that outJan 03 16:59
DaemonFChappens on Nvidia and ATIJan 03 16:59
shreddarIt's hard for me to understand how there are still PC gamers.Jan 03 17:00
DaemonFCshreddar: EasyJan 03 17:02
DaemonFCBittorrentJan 03 17:02
DaemonFCand rich peopleJan 03 17:02
ender2070_shredder - pc gamers? whyJan 03 17:03
DaemonFCDaemon Tools or loopmounting, whatever's your poisonJan 03 17:03
shreddarThat's what all that talk of Cedega and Nvidia etc. was about wasn't it?Jan 03 17:03
DaemonFCPC games are freeJan 03 17:04
DaemonFCis what I was getting atJan 03 17:04
DaemonFCthe copy protection is so laughable that they might as well beJan 03 17:04
shreddarOk I can see now.Jan 03 17:05
DaemonFCas long as games on the PC are free and XBOX 360 games are $60 with DRM enforcement that's not easily cracked, there's gonna be a market for gamin PCsJan 03 17:05
DaemonFC*gamingJan 03 17:05
shreddarI bet that's why the video game industry hates the PC.Jan 03 17:05
ender2070_on a counterpointJan 03 17:05
DaemonFCI'd say close to half the PC gamers are running "pirated copies"Jan 03 17:05
ender2070_nothing on PC rivals a Nintendo first party gameJan 03 17:06
DaemonFCsame figure for Windows itselfJan 03 17:06
DaemonFCMicrosoft may have an edge cause permenantly activating Windows without payiong can brick your BIOSJan 03 17:06
DaemonFCand softmods are easy to spot and disableJan 03 17:07
DaemonFCthey're forcing people into choosing something that could stop working vs bricking their motherboardJan 03 17:07
DaemonFC(potentially)Jan 03 17:07
ender2070_i'd just run GNU/Linux on my moboJan 03 17:08
DaemonFCI have no doubt that Windows "piracy" rates are going downJan 03 17:08
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] cat pee: bicarb appears to be the magic touch. feather stuff fine! now for it to actually dry ...Jan 03 17:08
DaemonFChow much and why are different debatesJan 03 17:08
DaemonFCit's forcing peoples hands and making them either buy it or choose the nuclear option (Linux)Jan 03 17:09
ender2070_windows sucks anywaysJan 03 17:09
shreddarI don't think Linux is the alternative for PC gamers.Jan 03 17:09
shreddarI think it's get a life.Jan 03 17:09
ender2070_lolJan 03 17:10
ender2070_+1Jan 03 17:10
ender2070_my wii satisfies my occasional boredomJan 03 17:10
DaemonFCin my case, it's a few fringe uses for Windows that are an annoyance to not have on LinuxJan 03 17:11
shreddarThat an interesting way to frase it.Jan 03 17:11
DaemonFCI could probably stomach the switch, but I'm not going toJan 03 17:11
DaemonFCI used Linux pretty much exclusively for 3 years and didn't miss muchJan 03 17:12
ender2070_my friends attempt peer pressuring me into stuff that would get me running windows but I try to avoid that stuffJan 03 17:12
shreddarI've been thinking of getting a Wii just for SMB5 and MKWii.Jan 03 17:12
DaemonFCthere's an occasional "Dammit, I wish I had Windows!!!" thoughJan 03 17:12
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] - Just started looking at Planeshift 0.5.0 #linux #foss #planeshiftJan 03 17:12
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ender2070_shredder - if you do, ill give you my friend codesJan 03 17:12
DaemonFCthe PC is getting a lot more boringJan 03 17:12
DaemonFCI blame that for the reason more people can use LinuxJan 03 17:12
DaemonFCLinux fits in better with the "bean counter" Mac ad than Windows doesJan 03 17:13
shreddarSound good. I need a budget for it though. My expenses are killing me now.Jan 03 17:13
DaemonFCit's gotten to where if you want Linux, there's not reason t o even have a nice PCJan 03 17:14
DaemonFC* no reason toJan 03 17:14
DaemonFCwhat are you going to do, dedicate one core to Pidgin, one core to OpenOffice, one core to running the system, and one t play your MP3?Jan 03 17:15
DaemonFCshit, just get a Pentium 133 and 128 megs of RAMJan 03 17:15
DaemonFCbe done with itJan 03 17:15
shreddarWell I suppose you can Blender and Gimp + tablet.Jan 03 17:15
DaemonFChardware makers are the real haters of LinuxJan 03 17:16
ender2070_hehJan 03 17:16
ender2070_they dont specifically hate linux i noticedJan 03 17:16
DaemonFCthe guys that come back and want you to buy a new machine every time Windows gets a new versionJan 03 17:16
ender2070_they just dont want to spend an extra dollar unless it earns them several in returnJan 03 17:16
ender2070_cheapnessJan 03 17:16
ender2070_gamer hardware tends to be the least openJan 03 17:17
DaemonFCmeh, I still am kind of pissed that a GPU thats over a year old can't get any respect from "radeonhd"Jan 03 17:19
DaemonFC:PJan 03 17:19
DaemonFC"radeonhd" is just as bad as FGLRXJan 03 17:20
DaemonFCjust maybe the particulars of "Why?" are differntJan 03 17:20
DaemonFC*differentJan 03 17:20
DaemonFCneither one supports your card but they'll each have totally different excusesJan 03 17:20
DaemonFCAMD says "Please excuse your RadeonHD 4670's inability to work on new Linux distros, this is due to explosive diarrhea"Jan 03 17:21
ender2070_its due to them loving microsoftJan 03 17:22 says "Dammit, we're engineers not users! We need more power!!!! She cannot take it cap'n, she's breaking apart!"Jan 03 17:22
ender2070_AMD has significant ties with MSFT over graphics related technologiesJan 03 17:22
ender2070_they heavily optimize their cards for DirectXJan 03 17:22
DaemonFCAMD contributes to Linux quite regularlyJan 03 17:22
ender2070_Intel and Nivida do way moreJan 03 17:23
ender2070_AMD is a microsoft gold partnerJan 03 17:23
DaemonFCIntel doesn't do anything they don't have toJan 03 17:23
ender2070_they even bragged about having support for directx 10.1 which didnt existJan 03 17:23
DaemonFCif it was up to Intel, there would still not be a 64-bit version of x86Jan 03 17:23
ender2070_Intel is one of the highest paying sponsorsJan 03 17:23
DaemonFCthey'd be telling you to just use PAEJan 03 17:24
ender2070_nvidia submits more xorg patches than canonicalJan 03 17:24
DaemonFCCanonical doesn't really do anything meaningfulJan 03 17:24
DaemonFCfor upstream of any projectJan 03 17:24
ender2070_64-bit is just being needed in the last year or two with ram getting pushed up to 4GBJan 03 17:24
DaemonFCI've seen them make a few trivial patches upstream to LinuxJan 03 17:24
DaemonFCCanonical really is out of their league when it comes to anything more than compiling the distribution and making a few tweaks here and thereJan 03 17:25
ender2070_AMD/ATI just bitch about having to keep their drivers up-to-date with linux frameworksJan 03 17:25
DaemonFCI don't really see the kind of talent that Red Hat and Novell haveJan 03 17:25
ender2070_Redhat has awesome talentJan 03 17:26
DaemonFCUbuntu just follows whatever other people are doing 99% of the timeJan 03 17:26
ender2070_Ubuntu just packages Debian and adds stuff to noob it upJan 03 17:26
DaemonFCits ease of use is pretty much all inherited from DebianJan 03 17:27
ender2070_you can change the repo in ubuntu to a debian one, and it will convert overJan 03 17:27
DaemonFCif Debian did releases more frequently, you'd have all of the advantages of using UbuntuJan 03 17:27
DaemonFCwith almost none of the drawbacksJan 03 17:27
ender2070_no drawbacks to debianJan 03 17:28
DaemonFCtoo long between updatesJan 03 17:28
ender2070_run debian unstableJan 03 17:28
ender2070_dont let the name scare yaJan 03 17:28
ender2070_its ubuntuJan 03 17:28
DaemonFCmeh, I don't like the sound of itJan 03 17:28
ender2070_without all the watery poop window decoJan 03 17:28
DaemonFCsounds like you'd have a bitch of a time trying to find an exit ramp to a real releaseJan 03 17:28
DaemonFCshould you want tpJan 03 17:29
DaemonFC*toJan 03 17:29
ender2070_ubuntu just takes a snapshot of debian unstableJan 03 17:29
DaemonFCSqueeze would take you to the final releaseJan 03 17:29
shreddarThat explains why updates kept screwing up my system when I used Ubuntu.Jan 03 17:29
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DaemonFCshreddar: Using Proposed Updates is a good way of screwing things up eventuallyJan 03 17:30
DaemonFCnot as bad as Fedora, but it'll happenJan 03 17:30
ender2070_I like my Fedora 12Jan 03 17:30
DaemonFCit also seems that Debian likes to railroad you into using GNOMEJan 03 17:31
DaemonFCWhat if I don't *want* GNOME on my system?Jan 03 17:31
ender2070_dont install itJan 03 17:32
ender2070_debian doesnt have a default desktopJan 03 17:32
DaemonFCender2070_: So where's the CD that's  daily image of Squeeze that gives me KDE?Jan 03 17:32
DaemonFCWell, I don't recall being asked what I wanted with LennyJan 03 17:32
DaemonFCI just got GNOMEJan 03 17:33
ender2070_they do have stuff with gnome as defaultJan 03 17:33
ender2070_the livecds iircJan 03 17:33
DaemonFCDebian has done some stupid, stupid shit with their default GNOME installJan 03 17:33
ender2070_yeah it has mono for oneJan 03 17:33
DaemonFC"Hmmm, lets use Epiphany" "No, don't use Pulseaudio, let the user suffer with GNOME's default mixer" (the name escapes me)Jan 03 17:34
shreddarI figured it had to do with most app needing Gtk or Gnome is some fashion.Jan 03 17:34
DaemonFC"This is 1986, who needs a boot screen?"Jan 03 17:34
ender2070_servers dontJan 03 17:35
ender2070_:PJan 03 17:35
shreddarAlthough some apps need KDE libs and core.Jan 03 17:35
DaemonFCso what if I want a pretty desktop? :DJan 03 17:35
ender2070_KDE libs are cheaper than mono libs :)Jan 03 17:35
shreddarSwitch to KDE. DuhJan 03 17:35
DaemonFCDebian's entire organizational layout is pretty bloated and confusingJan 03 17:35
ender2070_less space, less resources, less crufty technologyJan 03 17:35
shreddarOr enlightenment.Jan 03 17:36
DaemonFCWhat makes me laugh is that the FSF won't recommend DebianJan 03 17:36
ender2070_correctJan 03 17:36
ender2070_nor fedoraJan 03 17:36
DaemonFC"We can't recommend anything that might actually boot, much less work, on your system, we suggest Ututo and Gnewsense instead"Jan 03 17:37
ender2070_its not thatJan 03 17:37
ender2070_the FSF can't recommend non-free distrosJan 03 17:37
ender2070_its not surprisingJan 03 17:37
ender2070_that would be like a vegan recommending mcdonalds just because theres a few salads thereJan 03 17:38
DaemonFCSpeaking of bizarre, unusable distros that should have been aborted.....Jan 03 17:38
DaemonFCWhy was that Shuttle KPC shipping with Foresight?Jan 03 17:39
DaemonFC:DJan 03 17:39
DaemonFC"Here you go, a package manager that nobody makes packages for!"Jan 03 17:39
DaemonFCit's like, you have no hope of isntalling anything that's not in that one repository and it still has users!Jan 03 17:40
ender2070_fedora is very close to qualifying as "free" for the FSFJan 03 17:40
ender2070_the only thing they ship thats bad is wireless firmwareJan 03 17:40
DaemonFCender2070_: When it no longer boots, that's the last testJan 03 17:40
ender2070_shut upJan 03 17:40
shreddargnewsense is based off of Debian.Jan 03 17:40
DaemonFCgod forbid anyone's wireless should workJan 03 17:40
shreddarFSF recommends it.Jan 03 17:41
ender2070_besides wireless being stupidJan 03 17:41
ender2070_which is a different pointJan 03 17:41
DaemonFCyeah, well, it's as expensive to buy a wired router as a wirelessJan 03 17:41
ender2070_its not that people shouldnt have wireless workingJan 03 17:41
DaemonFCso you might as well just buy a wireless and turn the wifi part offJan 03 17:41
ender2070_its that the drivers should be free or not existJan 03 17:41
ender2070_too many wifi vendors keep their drivers closed, I think because it keeps people from hacking wifiJan 03 17:42
ender2070_non-wifi, network cards often came with a floppy disk which had 30 drivers for different unix's and even os/2Jan 03 17:43
DaemonFCthere's the open source broadcom firmware that won't connect to anythingJan 03 17:43
ender2070_broadcom = devilJan 03 17:43
DaemonFCit sees the router, it just won't connectJan 03 17:44
DaemonFCOS/2........Jan 03 17:44
DaemonFCeComStation = OS/2 on life supportJan 03 17:44
ender2070_ralink and realtek are like the only chipsets I know of that have free driversJan 03 17:44
DaemonFCnope, the firmware isn'tJan 03 17:44
DaemonFCthe driver isJan 03 17:45
ender2070_noJan 03 17:45
ender2070_at least on the ones I ownJan 03 17:45
DaemonFCthey have obfuscated binary firmware that's redistributableJan 03 17:45
shreddarYeah hopefully Google will make them stop that shit.Jan 03 17:45
ender2070_i dont have binary firmware on my system and they workJan 03 17:45
ender2070_my ralink is the bestJan 03 17:46
ender2070_its very good at WEP packet injectionJan 03 17:46
shreddarI hear they are making hardware makers open source their drivers for Chrome OS.Jan 03 17:47
ender2070_probablyJan 03 17:47
ender2070_google has a lot of powerJan 03 17:47
ender2070_I hope the Chrome OS has an ssh client thoJan 03 17:48
ender2070_i cant do anything over wifi without an ssh tunnelJan 03 17:48
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_GoblinHi all...Jan 03 18:04
_Goblinjust back from a stint with Planeshift.Jan 03 18:04
shreddarheyJan 03 18:06
DaemonFCI wonder when the Census crap comes in the mailJan 03 18:08
DaemonFCI hope I get the 57 question Long FormJan 03 18:08
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DaemonFC(56 more than the US Constitution requires)Jan 03 18:08
DaemonFCI'm only going to fill out "Number of people in your home"Jan 03 18:08
DaemonFCmail it back to themJan 03 18:08
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DaemonFCI hear they proceed to send census workers out to harass youJan 03 18:09
DaemonFCso I can shout "That's none of your god damned business!" and slam the doorJan 03 18:09
DaemonFCsuch moments are excitingJan 03 18:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Vendors: Netbooks "dying, honest" 03 18:11
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DaemonFCroflcopter @ "Windows 7 Dumbass Edition™"Jan 03 18:12
DaemonFCI usually just call it Windows 7: Anti-feature EditionJan 03 18:13
DaemonFC(Starter)Jan 03 18:13
DaemonFCit does nothingJan 03 18:13
DaemonFCit's more crippled than Windows XP Home that they were usingJan 03 18:14
DaemonFCtthe god damned thing doesn't even let you change your wallpaper(!!!!!!!!!!!!)Jan 03 18:14
DaemonFCyour wallpaper!Jan 03 18:14
DaemonFCthe netbooks with Windows 7 Starter are less functional as a computer than your shower curtainJan 03 18:15
ender2070_thats msft for yaJan 03 18:15
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shreddar“So everyone will go back to expensive iPhones and full-sized laptops, any day now. This ‘internet’ thing is just a fad too.”Jan 03 18:22
shreddarHee HeeJan 03 18:23
shreddar“Linux, of course, doesn’t exist, wasn’t the impetus for cheap netbooks and didn’t cripple Microsoft’s bottom line for the last three years by providing actual competition for the first time in decades. So it’s not like it can do twice as much in half the space.”Jan 03 18:24
_Goblindidn't Bill Gates say MS were not interested in the Net in 1993Jan 03 18:24
DaemonFCso what do all of you think about the future of mp3, aac, and vorbis?Jan 03 18:24
_GoblinI think HDmp3 is to come into its own soon.Jan 03 18:24
DaemonFCit seems like there's no good decision because they all do something that they others can't or won'tJan 03 18:24
DaemonFC_Goblin: You can't be seriousJan 03 18:25
_Goblinlook at the generic players....its mp3 the average user knows.Jan 03 18:25
shreddarUltra Zero Loss Mech Adio .Uzlma format.Jan 03 18:25
DaemonFCwell, do you mean as i the players will support the lossless file?Jan 03 18:25
_Goblinat least with HD they are able to play lossless and lossy in one fileJan 03 18:25
DaemonFCor that you're going to have 320k quality with only 4 times the file size?Jan 03 18:25
DaemonFCI'd recommend just staying with FLAC if you don't care how massive the file isJan 03 18:26
shreddar“Apparently, netbooks that weigh nothing, run twice as fast and have an all-day battery but don’t run Windows are a problem for ARM, not for Microsoft,”Jan 03 18:27
_GoblinIm not really an mp3/ogg user (except in the cases of podcasts)Jan 03 18:27
DaemonFCOgg Vorbis is by far the best lossy codec there isJan 03 18:27
DaemonFCplayer support is limited thoughJan 03 18:27
DaemonFCMPEG-4 AAC is much better than MP3 and well supported in hardware, but there's only a few encoders that give good results and they're all proprietaryJan 03 18:28
DaemonFCMP3 plays on everything but it's ancient and even LAME can only do so muchJan 03 18:28
shreddar"...It’s all about picking your terms rather than, e.g., selling what people actually want instead of what you’d like them to want. ..."Jan 03 18:29
shreddarso true.Jan 03 18:29
shreddar“Clap your hands if you don’t believe in netbooks,” said Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer. “Marketers! Marketers! Marketers! Marketers!”Jan 03 18:29
shreddarI think I just quoted about a 4/5 of the article.Jan 03 18:29
DaemonFCWindows 7 Starter is basically a charade designed to get you to hate it and spend $80 for a serial number to turn it into Home PremiumJan 03 18:30
DaemonFCit makes the initial price of the netbook far less than you end up paying for itJan 03 18:30
DaemonFCthe OEM only pays like $5 for Starter, but you might as well consider that a down paymentJan 03 18:31
DaemonFCthe other $80 you pay them takes their selling price to $85Jan 03 18:31
shreddarYeah but nobody pays for that stuff. Trial Ware losses all the time.Jan 03 18:31
DaemonFCwhich is actually $35 more than Dell would pay for Home PremiumJan 03 18:31
ender2070_once you have something that plays ogg or flac your set thoJan 03 18:32
DaemonFCand the selling price of a $329 netbook becomes $409, which is nearly the price of a low end laptop with three times the specs and Home Premium includedJan 03 18:32
ender2070_I have a 512mb iriver, its perfect for meJan 03 18:32
DaemonFCand a DVD writer built inJan 03 18:32
DaemonFCender2070: Do you see Vorbis support becoming more popular in hardware over the next 10 years?Jan 03 18:33
ender2070_yesJan 03 18:33
DaemonFCand Do you see it becoming popular enough that even Microsoft eventually gives WMP playback support?Jan 03 18:33
DaemonFCit took nearly 10 years for them to break down and support AAC playbackJan 03 18:34
ender2070_not sureJan 03 18:34
shreddarIf MS offered OEM Windows Free and it was trial ware almost no one would pay for it.Jan 03 18:34
DaemonFCit's cause they were still clinging to the hope that they could sell WMAs or something I guessJan 03 18:34
DaemonFCwhich I wouldn't buy for any priceJan 03 18:34
DaemonFCthat's what Starter basically isJan 03 18:35
shreddarOEM's are gradually easing MS to that price point.Jan 03 18:35
DaemonFClooks like you get an OS with the netbookwhat you really get is "Pay us more" nagwareJan 03 18:35
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DaemonFCit's designed to be so unpleasant to use that you break down and pay them moreJan 03 18:35
shreddar"You evaluation period has expired! Windows is NOT free software."Jan 03 18:39
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DaemonFCI'm looking for a tool to add Vorbis tag reading to Windows ExplorerJan 03 18:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] For the old-skool: twm (yes, the original) now supports XRender and transparent menus. o_0 03 19:03
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] For the old-skool: twm (yes, the original) now supports XRender and transparent menus. o_0 (wrong image before)Jan 03 19:07
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Back to using IRSSI again. A far superior IRC client IMO and it was sheer laziness through a default packaging that I was using X-chat.Jan 03 19:21
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin is bitchx any good for you? (personally i still prefer xchat)Jan 03 19:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard ah... I settled with Irssi (BitchX I havent used before) I will give it a look!Jan 03 19:24
DaemonFCirssiJan 03 19:24
DaemonFCjesusJan 03 19:24
_Goblinno, irssiJan 03 19:24
_Goblinnever used the Jesus IRC clientJan 03 19:25
_Goblinany good?Jan 03 19:25
DaemonFCirssi, the client of 1986Jan 03 19:25
DaemonFC:)Jan 03 19:25
ender2070_dudeJan 03 19:25
ender2070_irssi is fineJan 03 19:25
ender2070_stop being hitlerJan 03 19:25
DaemonFC's_lawJan 03 19:26
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DaemonFCyou loseJan 03 19:26
_Goblinits a good reason to go back to 1986, a solid package...Jan 03 19:26
DaemonFCWhat year is it again?Jan 03 19:27
DaemonFCwhy are we loading GUIs to use programs in the terminal?Jan 03 19:27
_Goblinits called personal choice.Jan 03 19:27
ender2070_to have more than one terminal?Jan 03 19:27
ender2070_:)Jan 03 19:27
ender2070_why are you loading a browser to chat on irc ?Jan 03 19:27
_GoblinlolJan 03 19:28
_Goblingood comebackJan 03 19:28
_Goblinnever thought of that.Jan 03 19:28
ender2070_lolJan 03 19:28
DaemonFCcause it's there?Jan 03 19:28
DaemonFCcause it isn't a torture deviceJan 03 19:28
DaemonFCirssi isJan 03 19:28
ender2070_why not just write one program that does everythingJan 03 19:28
DaemonFCcause it doesn't cost moneyJan 03 19:28
DaemonFCXChat doesJan 03 19:28
ender2070_KonversationJan 03 19:29
_GoblinI don't see how Irssi is a torture device....its very simple to use.Jan 03 19:29
ender2070_DaemonFC is scared by CLIJan 03 19:29
_Goblinand if its been going since 1986 it must be doing something right.Jan 03 19:29
DaemonFCCause it isn't a demented toy for children with its own scripting engine used primarily to create wormsJan 03 19:29
DaemonFCMircJan 03 19:29
_Goblinis a CDROM primarily to pirate software?Jan 03 19:30
ender2070_I have a free gui based irc client that doesn't load a browser with itJan 03 19:30
DaemonFCoh, secondary use of Mirc scripts is to annoy the fuck out of peopleJan 03 19:30
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @_Goblin it's an irssi derivative that's been 'l33t3d up. some fancier capabilities.Jan 03 19:30
DaemonFCand it costs moneyJan 03 19:30
ender2070_who cares about mircJan 03 19:30
ender2070_its proprietary, full stopJan 03 19:30
ender2070_it could be spying on you, you'll never knowJan 03 19:31
_Goblinah...Mirc my first client when I was running Windows...Jan 03 19:31
DaemonFCmeh, I just can't get past how ugly and bloated it is, how poorly it was designed, and that it costs $30 to registerJan 03 19:31
ender2070_mirc was my first tooJan 03 19:32
ender2070_then free (libre) alternatives came out that were betterJan 03 19:32
DaemonFCit could be worseJan 03 19:32
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @davidgerard I'll give it a look then! Should have known by the "l337" title!Jan 03 19:32
DaemonFCMicrosoft Comic Chat will still install and run on Windows 7Jan 03 19:32
ender2070_comic chat, lolJan 03 19:33
ender2070_irc for idiotsJan 03 19:33
DaemonFC 03 19:33
_GoblinDaemonFC: sorry, I must have skipped out of this universe for a minute....I thought we were discussing how allegedly IRSSI was a torture device.Jan 03 19:33
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DaemonFCif your client doesn't understand the comic-related crap, it jsut crapfloods the roomJan 03 19:33
phIRCe-localDaemonFC: sorry, I must have skipped out of this universe for a minute....I thought we were discussing how allegedly IRSSI was a torture device.Jan 03 19:33
ender2070_LOLJan 03 19:33
ender2070_nice botJan 03 19:33
_Goblinnow it seems another one is leaking into ours.....Jan 03 19:34
DaemonFCI'd rather use Comic Chat than irssi, but I'd rather use anything than irssiJan 03 19:34
_Goblinpersonal choice is great....Jan 03 19:34
ender2070_lolJan 03 19:35
DaemonFCIt probably goes Chatzilla, Xchat, Mirc, anything that's not Comic Chat, Comic Chat, irssiJan 03 19:35
ender2070_mirc shouldnt even be thereJan 03 19:36
ender2070_or comic chatJan 03 19:36
_GoblinEh? "anything thats not Comic Chat" - So you do like IRSSI, thats not comic chat.Jan 03 19:36
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Okay, I have to admit. I'm really pissed off..Jan 03 19:36
DaemonFCirssi is a unix program that even manages to suck on unixJan 03 19:36
DaemonFCthen there's the Cygwin "port" to WindowsJan 03 19:36
ender2070_anyways, guys im offJan 03 19:36
ender2070_fight with the noob all u wantJan 03 19:36
AondoDaemonFC, why does irssi suck? :)Jan 03 19:36
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Omar87_DaemonFC: well..Jan 03 19:37
DaemonFCwhat really throws me is OS X users use itJan 03 19:37
DaemonFCthey must be really hard up for IRC clients on the MacJan 03 19:37
_Goblinyeah.....terrible...Jan 03 19:37
DaemonFCthey should install Windows on their Mac and spend some time in the Boot Camp ghettoJan 03 19:38
DaemonFC:)Jan 03 19:38
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Attending the Ubuntu UK LoCo team meeting in #ubuntu-uk on freenode irc. Now. :)Jan 03 19:38
DaemonFCI don't get why Apple lets them do that, it's like letting them up for airJan 03 19:38
Omar87_DaemonFC: irssi is an essential tool at times when I face a serious problem with the GUI that I can't use anything but the command line, and I need to get help from the Kubuntu channel.Jan 03 19:38
DaemonFCroflJan 03 19:39
DaemonFCwhen X bombs out with some cryptic error for no reasonJan 03 19:39
DaemonFCand strands you at the terminalJan 03 19:39
Omar87_what's so funny.Jan 03 19:39
Omar87_?Jan 03 19:39
DaemonFCwhat's so funny is how often that seems to happen on LinuxJan 03 19:39
Omar87_Not so often.Jan 03 19:39
DaemonFCusually means that it hates the video driver you just tried to installJan 03 19:39
Omar87_Well.. :)Jan 03 19:40
DaemonFCcan also just be an "update" that went aeryJan 03 19:40
_GoblinOmar87: I think we know where DaemonFC is going to take this.Jan 03 19:40
DaemonFCand corrupted some system file along the wayJan 03 19:40
Omar87__Goblin: yep.Jan 03 19:40
DaemonFC*awryJan 03 19:40
Omar87__Goblin: I just fail to understand one thing: What on Earth is he doing here..?Jan 03 19:41
DaemonFCeither one is likely, but sometimes you jsut need to edit your xorg.conf which isn't supposed to exist for the last 3 yearsJan 03 19:41
DaemonFCbut somehow does manage to live onJan 03 19:41
_Goblinomar87: I don't think anyone understands that..! :)Jan 03 19:41
Omar87_DaemonFC: okJan 03 19:41
DaemonFCthe funniest thing is that was supposed to have all kinds of crazy delicious super powers by now to keep this shit from ever happeningJan 03 19:42
DaemonFCbut it doesn'tJan 03 19:42
DaemonFCbut the documentation says it doesJan 03 19:42
DaemonFCbut the documentation is wrongJan 03 19:42
DaemonFCthat happensJan 03 19:42
Omar87_DaemonFC: okJan 03 19:42
DaemonFCit should make you feel better that they say you're wrong in spite of it still happeningJan 03 19:42
DaemonFCbecause if they say you're wrong and they built the fucking thing, it must mean you're wrongJan 03 19:43
_Goblinlike Microsoft does with Windows?Jan 03 19:43
DaemonFCeven though you're staring at a terminal and X won't loadJan 03 19:43
DaemonFCI think it's one of those things that means that realizing that"there is no spoon" means you are exempt from the normal rules that say that X does this from time to timeJan 03 19:44
_GoblinDaemonFC: Degeneration X? ;) 03 19:44
DaemonFCI honestly think that does these things on purpose jsut to piss you off, but that would imply that there's some kind of plan for developmentJan 03 19:45
DaemonFCand I'm not ready to accuse them of thatJan 03 19:45
_Goblinthats good of youJan 03 19:46
DaemonFCI thought soJan 03 19:46
DaemonFCafter all, I got it for free, how dare I bitch about them wasting my timeJan 03 19:46
DaemonFCI should be on my knees thanking them for wasting my timeJan 03 19:47
Omar87__Goblin: lol, they made Chris Jericho look like an idiot a couple weeks ago. :PJan 03 19:47
_GoblinDaemonFC: I wish you could see the irony in your last commentJan 03 19:47
_GoblinOmar87: So youre a fan too? Great stuff!Jan 03 19:47
_GoblinOmar87: Looking forward to Bret on Raw on MondayJan 03 19:47
Omar87__Goblin: umm, not really. I like John Cena more. :)Jan 03 19:48
_GoblinOmar87: You can't see me!Jan 03 19:48
Omar87__Goblin: lolJan 03 19:48
_GoblinOmar87: I wish we couldn't see DaemonFCJan 03 19:48
DaemonFCmost of the problems you get on Linux are the result of nobody agreeing, everyone forking and duplicating effort, and no defined standard so that no matter what you choose as a user or a developer is wronJan 03 19:48
DaemonFC*wrongJan 03 19:48
Omar87__Goblin: yeah, man. He's so friggnin' annoying. -_-Jan 03 19:49
DaemonFCand any time you say you're having a problem "Clearly you should have chosen the other thing"Jan 03 19:49
Omar87_DaemonFC: oh, I see. So now Windows is much better because no body is forking or duplicating?Jan 03 19:50
DaemonFCit means I can choose my programs that I will use and go about using themJan 03 19:50
_GoblinSometimes I think DaemonFC suffers with a similar virus to the holoplague here: his posts can be so crazy he has me thinking Ive lost it.Jan 03 19:51
DaemonFCthe choices will probably be right the first time, and if they aren't it's 5 minutes out of the day to make another oneJan 03 19:51
Omar87_DaemonFC: oh, yeah. Right.. That's why Microsoft shoved IE into Windows.Jan 03 19:51
DaemonFCand how you can easily remove Gecko or Khtml without removing most of your desktop on LinuxJan 03 19:52
DaemonFCoh waitJan 03 19:52
Omar87_DaemonFC: that's why some .NET-powered websites restrict you to use IE and nothing other IE to be able to access them.Jan 03 19:52
DaemonFCnever happened to meJan 03 19:52
Omar87_other *than* IEJan 03 19:52
DaemonFCit's just as easy to ignore IE as it is KonquerorJan 03 19:53
DaemonFCor the gtkhtml crapJan 03 19:53
DaemonFCeven if any of them cause a compromise of your system security, you can't waste themJan 03 19:53
Omar87_or the entire Microsoft coporation that you're praising now is crap.Jan 03 19:54
Omar87_ya know what? that's it.Jan 03 19:55
DaemonFCalthough I will agree that Trident is the scariest one of themJan 03 19:55
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DaemonFCthe problem with having one coherent system is that malware writers know exactly what they're dealing withJan 03 19:55
DaemonFCthe Ubuntu trojan horse on GNOME-Look last week was hilariousJan 03 19:56
DaemonFCeven if it only proves that it "can" happenJan 03 19:56
DaemonFCthat's where OS X malware began a few years ago, now it's crawling with itJan 03 19:56
Omar87_Goblin: DaemonFC, successfully ignored! :DJan 03 19:57
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phIRCe-localTitle:  Social engineering (trojan) via - Ubuntu Forums .::. Size~: 107.12 KBJan 03 19:58
DaemonFC30 pages of Ubuntu users with their panties in a twist, some in denialJan 03 19:58
DaemonFCsudo rm -f /usr/bin/Auto.bash /usr/bin/run.bash /etc/profile.d/ index.php run.bash && sudo dpkg -r app5552Jan 03 19:59
DaemonFCyour easy to remember, user friendly way to remove the trojan :)Jan 03 20:00
DaemonFCof course I bet that most people who installed it still have itJan 03 20:01
DaemonFCa successful parasite is one that doesn't let the host know it's thereJan 03 20:01
DaemonFCthis one sounds like it runs in the background using some of your bandwidth to DDoS, and that's about itJan 03 20:02
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DaemonFCit would be interesting to know if whoever is getting DDoSed by the infected N00buntu machines is still having problemsJan 03 20:03
jose_Xschestowitz, I haven't forgotten about the wiki and the comes exhibit discussion but I haven't made progress yet (been busy and distracted).Jan 03 20:03
jose_Xfor when you get back.. check out this link: 03 20:03
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jose_XI posted a comment there that says more. The link is an example of business model that leverages open source.Jan 03 20:04 licensesJan 03 20:04
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schestowitzHey, rnbJan 03 20:16
schestowitzJust got back from Old Trafford...Jan 03 20:19
schestowitzChaos in City Centre here with all the Man United hooligansJan 03 20:19
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Predictions for 2010 03 20:44
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Stickers Mark Non-Microsoft "PCs" #linuxJan 03 20:45
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux and #BSD Servers Top Reliability Charts 03 20:47
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google 's #GNU #Linux a Challenge to Existing OEMs, #Microsoft 03 20:48
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Commandline Applications for #GNU #Linux Have Equivalent #GUI Applications 03 20:51
phIRCe-localTitle: notBlog » You mean the GUI works too? .::. Size~: 7.75 KBJan 03 20:51
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Videos of K Desktop Environment 4.4, #Development News 03 20:52
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phIRCe-localTitle: Tale of a little pixel - Netbook, Pages and what they're for .::. Size~: 17.64 KBJan 03 20:52
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #ZorinOS 2.0 ( #GNU / #Linux ), How to Select a Distro 03 20:54
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux on Television Again, Parents' Computer 03 20:56
phIRCe-localTitle: Ubuntu Spotted on Doctor Who Set | blog .::. Size~: 33.31 KBJan 03 20:56
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux: 2 - Windows: 1 03 20:57
phIRCe-localTitle: SmartQ V5 HD MID Launched In China [Chines MID Features 4.3-inch touchscreen, 2GB of Storage, Three Operating Systems] » TFTS  Technology, Gadgets & Curiosities .::. Size~: 24.38 KBJan 03 20:57
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MinceRjwz stopped being a smart guy some time before he became a crApple cultistJan 03 21:10
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Not sure the cup upset was much of an upset. Given how inconsistent the top clubs have been in the league, is anyone surprised with the cup?Jan 03 21:16
DaemonFCMinceR: Still, if he's having problems with it, that's not a good thingJan 03 21:18
MinceRstill, i don't really care about his problemsJan 03 21:19
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Palm Phones Get More Linux Applications, Games 03 21:20
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux Phones Hands-on, #Motorola to Bring More 03 21:22
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Gets #Firefox as Mobile Browser 03 21:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC #XO Sub-notebooks Advance Further 03 21:24
phIRCe-localTitle: Firefox for Mobile RC - Nokia N900 just got better. | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 94.78 KBJan 03 21:24
phIRCe-localTitle: Mozilla Releases Firefox For Maemos First Release Candidate  | iTech Report .::. Size~: 36.11 KBJan 03 21:24
phIRCe-localTitle: Firefox for Mobile 1.0 gets a release candidate .::. Size~: 84.21 KBJan 03 21:24
phIRCe-localTitle: Xtra Ordinary 2010: the XO Laptop OS Evolved - OLPC News .::. Size~: 77.44 KBJan 03 21:24
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 2010 May be "Year Of The Smartbook" 03 21:25
phIRCe-localTitle: Looking Forward To 2010: The Year Of The Smartbook? .::. Size~: 45.06 KBJan 03 21:25
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GPLv3 Defeats #GSM 03 21:26
phIRCe-localTitle: - CA3DE renamed to CAFU becomes opensource .::. Size~: 20.17 KBJan 03 21:26
phIRCe-localTitle: Beware GSM calls get Hacked:A5/1 Algorithm turns Flaw! | | Indian Telecom blog .::. Size~: 45.73 KBJan 03 21:26
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware a Top Trend in Enterprises 03 21:28
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] National Agenda in #Kerala and Elsewhere Shift to #GNU #Linux 03 21:30
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Freedom for 60,000 More #Books 03 21:31
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Web #Censorship Soaring 03 21:43
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz 2010 will definitely be "year of redefining terms you don't like", per latest NewsTechnicaJan 03 21:46
shreddarOf course they'll still be pushing new terms you don't like even harder.Jan 03 21:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Bribes to Hijack Sri Lanka's Education 03 21:48
phIRCe-localTitle: 100 million rupees grant from Microsoft to MOE .::. Size~: 27.4 KBJan 03 21:48
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Still waiting patiently for the next episode of Linux Basement! A great podcast! #linux #foss #gnu #podcastJan 03 21:56
phIRCe-localTitle: Linux Basement | Linux Lurking Beneath .::. Size~: 33.23 KBJan 03 21:56
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I refuse to be dragged into Celebrity Big Brother......ok, maybe for a few minutes then......Jan 03 22:02
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard yes, spinola and allJan 03 22:08
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] _goblinJan 03 22:09
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin mail Chad about it, he was happy when I didJan 03 22:09
_Goblinschestowitz: What about?Jan 03 22:10
schestowitzTo say you like the showJan 03 22:22
schestowitzHe doesn't hear it often enoughJan 03 22:22
schestowitzchad@linuxbasement.comJan 03 22:22
_GoblinahJan 03 22:22
_GoblinI seeJan 03 22:22
_Goblinyep...will do...Jan 03 22:22
schestowitz"Hey man, that's the best christmas message I got! Merry christmas to you and thanks!"Jan 03 22:22
-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW/LJ: Like a prayer. 03 22:23
phIRCe-localTitle: reddragdiva | Like a prayer. .::. Size~: 30.41 KBJan 03 22:23
phIRCe-localTitle: reddragdiva: Like a prayer. .::. Size~: 21.21 KBJan 03 22:23
*schestowitz starts working on arse-whooping posts about the Vole :-)Jan 03 22:31
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oiaohmAircraft security is a very hard call ender2070_Jan 03 22:57
ender2070_We shouldn't be subject to their no fly listJan 03 23:03
ender2070_which often includes people with opinions against the us governmentJan 03 23:03
ender2070_gtgJan 03 23:04
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Convicted Monopoly Abuser Sends Partners to Prison #microsoft #hypocrisyJan 03 23:05
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Windows Servers Suffer From 0-Day #Security #Vulnerability and Microsoft Doesn’t Care 03 23:19
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schestowitztessier: 03 23:35
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Repeats Mistakes of #WordPerfect , This Time with #Mono 03 23:42
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-BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The Saturdays "Just Can't Get Enough" is every bit as horrible as you'd expect. There's probably a "Cthulhu" setting in Final Cut Pro.Jan 03 23:55

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