| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Gains #BluRay Support, #Clutter 1.2 http://ur1.ca/j455 http://ur1.ca/j456 | Jan 06 00:00 | |
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| trmanco | https://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2010/01/05/firefox-3-5-7-and-3-0-17-updates-now-available-for-download/ | Jan 06 00:00 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Small Businesses Should Use GNU/Linux for Online #Banking http://ur1.ca/j457 | Jan 06 00:01 | |
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| sebsebseb | trmanco: ok well Firefox updates will come soon as a distro update I guess | Jan 06 00:01 |
| trmanco | I use the mozilla compiled firefox | Jan 06 00:02 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Lernid 0.4 is Out, "Sushi Huh?" in Review http://ur1.ca/j45b http://ur1.ca/j45c | Jan 06 00:02 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Sushi Huh Grabs Linux Packages For Offline Installation | Lifehacker Australia .::. Size~: 32.77 KB | Jan 06 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | trmanco: why? | Jan 06 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: got a link to that? going back to earlier | Jan 06 00:03 |
| trmanco | mainly because beta updates get hear faster | Jan 06 00:03 |
| sebsebseb | trmanco: why do you want to run beta? | Jan 06 00:03 |
| *_Goblin_ has quit ("Lost terminal") | Jan 06 00:04 | |
| trmanco | to test | Jan 06 00:04 |
| trmanco | report bugs, if I have any | Jan 06 00:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Zelda Remake and #XPlane 9 Running on #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/j45f http://ur1.ca/j45g | Jan 06 00:04 | |
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| phIRCe-local | Title: X-Plane 9 on Linux | We love Linux ! .::. Size~: 25.09 KB | Jan 06 00:04 |
| sebsebseb | trmanco: ok | Jan 06 00:05 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Antiturfer | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/ydt5lqr | Jan 06 00:05 | |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: bravo! | Jan 06 00:05 |
| schestowitz | I'd be afraid to use beta with something like my mail. I used to test WordPress only on dummy blogs | Jan 06 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Browsers don't carry much personal info that can be compromised | Jan 06 00:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Manual to Come with Next #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux ; Milestones from #Debian Family http://ur1.ca/j3ji http://ur1.ca/j45o | Jan 06 00:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Marvell Plug Computer 3.0 with #Linux is Released http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/marvell-plug-computer-30-05-01-2010/ | Jan 06 00:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] @schestowitz No, luckily I'd only gotten one paragraph in, it's now rewritten and just published. I've switched off the bubbles in identifox | Jan 06 00:10 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Betterment of Another #NAS with #Linux http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=21782 #network #storage | Jan 06 00:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ThistleWeb: you can force focus on pointer ("strictly" even) | Jan 06 00:12 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: read that link about Facebook, well a lot of people that don't know computers well enough, that will fall for that kind of thing | Jan 06 00:18 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Now running Firefox 3.5.7, how will it compare to Chromium 4.0.289.0 ? Interesting to find out! | Jan 06 00:20 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Arium #Embedded #Linux is Released http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/arium-embedded-linux-is-now-available,1106552.shtml | Jan 06 00:20 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LiMo and #Palm 's Web OS Get Good Reviews http://ur1.ca/j468 http://ur1.ca/j469 | Jan 06 00:21 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android (Linux) Scares the Competition in Mobile Space http://ur1.ca/j46e http://ur1.ca/j46f | Jan 06 00:23 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Lenovo to Preinstall #GNU #Linux Sub-notebooks/Tablets http://ur1.ca/j46i http://ur1.ca/j46j | Jan 06 00:25 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Moblin Celebrates Year of Linux on Sub-notebooks, #PowerDVD Ported http://ur1.ca/j46k http://ur1.ca/j46l | Jan 06 00:26 | |
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| *pentarex has quit ("AA is For Quitters !!! :D") | Jan 06 00:26 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE4 Enters Sub-notebooks Arena, #Jolicloud Too http://ur1.ca/j46p http://ur1.ca/j46q | Jan 06 00:28 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware a Good Fit for #Capitalism and #Innovation http://ur1.ca/j46t http://ur1.ca/j46u | Jan 06 00:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Munich 's Success Story with #FreeSoftware and #OpenDocument Format (Now in Heise) http://ur1.ca/j46z #odf | Jan 06 00:30 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Read the Ubuntu manual, that's a good idea. | Jan 06 00:42 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Songbird Scores Massive Win: #Music Plays Preinstalls http://ur1.ca/j486 http://ur1.ca/j487 | Jan 06 00:42 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: That was meant to say, Read about the Ubuntu manual, that's a good idea. | Jan 06 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | Read the link you gave. | Jan 06 00:43 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Remote Suggestion That #IBM Should Add #MySQL #Database http://ur1.ca/j48h | Jan 06 00:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Success in CMS Arena as Proof of Victory http://www.vancouverobserver.com/blogs/editorsdesk/2010/01/04/its-open-source-world | Jan 06 00:47 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: It's an Open Source World | The Vancouver Observer - Vancouver Olympics News Blogs Events Reviews .::. Size~: 40.53 KB | Jan 06 00:47 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Perl 6 in 2009 http://perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-6/perl-6-in-2009.html | Jan 06 00:48 | |
| tessier | schestowitz: I have recently set up a varnish accelerator proxy for my clients. Sometime in the near future (within the next week) I would like to move the boycottnovell server over to be behind that proxy. Should help a lot with server load and response time an anti-DDoS abilities if we get the proxy configured correctly. I think using varnish will be easier than optimizing wordpress to cache properly. | Jan 06 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Thanks a lot! | Jan 06 00:54 |
| schestowitz | I've found out that those grabber/zombies that hit the site are not always using the same strings | Jan 06 00:55 |
| schestowitz | They find a page to use as an anchor point and then grab like 15 very large pages in just one second | Jan 06 00:55 |
| schestowitz | They come from different domains, but the pattern is the same | Jan 06 00:55 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #FreeSoftware as a Term is Important and the #GPL Works Best http://ur1.ca/j493 http://ur1.ca/j494 | Jan 06 00:57 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | btw, I'd also like to say varnish is pretty nice | Jan 06 01:00 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] (Proprietary) #Opera for #GNU #Linux Gets Much Better, Flash Too http://ur1.ca/j49o http://ur1.ca/j49p | Jan 06 01:06 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Download Opera 10.50 Pre-Alpha Build 3186 - Now with support for the video element - Softpedia .::. Size~: 49.6 KB | Jan 06 01:06 |
| sebsebseb | video elemtn as in <video> tag? | Jan 06 01:08 |
| sebsebseb | element above | Jan 06 01:09 |
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| *shreddar (i=4c16e5e1@gateway/web/freenode/x-pfrshrfhvoxlcvuc) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 06 01:11 | |
| MinceR | yes | Jan 06 01:15 |
| MinceR | elements are delimited by tags | Jan 06 01:15 |
| shreddar | Well guys, I was wrong. Google really is selling there own phone. | Jan 06 01:18 |
| *Tallken (n=f2f93bf5@93.102.76.38.rev.optimus.pt) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 06 01:18 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjWhadyOL7s | Jan 06 01:19 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: yes, the TurdOne :-) :-) | Jan 06 01:19 |
| shreddar | thelovepolice remind me of charlton heston in any one of his good movies. | Jan 06 01:23 |
| shreddar | Anyway, I'd very much like to see a video of the NexusOne's voice enabled keyboard. | Jan 06 01:34 |
| shreddar | I've been wanting to see one of those on cellphones as well as set top boxes for a while. | Jan 06 01:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HewlettPackard Takes World Back to World War One with New #SoftwarePatent http://ur1.ca/j4bi #swpat | Jan 06 01:36 | |
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| schestowitz | shreddar: yes, obvious must-have for years | Jan 06 01:37 |
| schestowitz | They just need a good CPU | Jan 06 01:37 |
| schestowitz | shreddar: some of their videos can be infantile, but the intent of Danny (the absent guy) makes it worthwhile sometimes | Jan 06 01:40 |
| shreddar | I don't live in the UK but I can kinda tell that there is some kind of effort to educate people on their rights. | Jan 06 01:43 |
| shreddar | That kinda public confrontation make me nervous just watching. | Jan 06 01:44 |
| schestowitz | One of those FREAKIN' zombies is hitting us again | Jan 06 01:45 |
| schestowitz | I'm tired of wasting hours fighting against this disease called WIndows | Jan 06 01:45 |
| schestowitz | They should be taken off the Internet | Jan 06 01:45 |
| schestowitz | WHy is it that after I run, say /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -s 115.186.240.40 -j DROP , apache gets paralysed for a while? | Jan 06 01:49 |
| schestowitz | Great. | Jan 06 01:50 |
| schestowitz | Service is down again because of those buggers | Jan 06 01:50 |
| tessier | hmmm | Jan 06 01:50 |
| tessier | I've got an idea...I can put you behind the proxy without actually having to move the machine... | Jan 06 01:51 |
| schestowitz | 203-96-84-33.cid.global-gateway.net.nz <<<<<---- bastard | Jan 06 01:53 |
| schestowitz | Another nasty IP was ns1.qsa.qld.edu.au | Jan 06 01:58 |
| schestowitz | Seems like zombies given that they come from different places, all run Windows, and use the same pattern to knock on APache | Jan 06 01:58 |
| tessier | cool | Jan 06 01:59 |
| tessier | I have boycottnovell.com configured to work through the proxy. It works when setting boycottnovell.com to the proxy ip in my /etc/hosts anyway | Jan 06 01:59 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Mind if i change the dns to point at the varnish proxy? Might speed things up. And tweaking the caching rules for the site will certainly speed things up. | Jan 06 02:00 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, the .au people tend to take issues of their own computers doing DOS attacks seriously | Jan 06 02:00 |
| amarsh04 | contact page for qsa.qld.edu.au is http://www.qsa.qld.edu.au/about/622.html | Jan 06 02:02 |
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| amarsh04 | also see: http://www.auscert.org.au/render.html?it=3191 | Jan 06 02:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: AusCERT - Report a computer security incident .::. Size~: 16.81 KB | Jan 06 02:04 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: it won't do | Jan 06 02:05 |
| amarsh04 | why not? | Jan 06 02:05 |
| schestowitz | They keep coming from all sorts of IPs in different places | Jan 06 02:05 |
| schestowitz | tessier: sure | Jan 06 02:05 |
| tessier | ok | Jan 06 02:05 |
| amarsh04 | so the machine ns1.qsa.qld.edu.au was one of several infected machines? | Jan 06 02:06 |
| amarsh04 | that machine is hosted on an AAPT IP address range, abuse contact: security@connect.com.au | Jan 06 02:08 |
| amarsh04 | If you report it and don't get a response, write about it... I could post a link to bn from forums.whirlpool.net.au which will get attention | Jan 06 02:11 |
| tessier | It is done. Let's see what happens... | Jan 06 02:12 |
| tessier | schestowitz: This may mess with your stats. Your apache will be logging the external ip of my varnish proxy. | Jan 06 02:12 |
| amarsh04 | http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_311998 | Jan 06 02:14 |
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| amarsh04 | 22 December 2009 - Penalties awarded in email spam case in the Federal Court | Jan 06 02:15 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: yes, I've banned about 10... all from different domains | Jan 06 02:15 |
| schestowitz | tessier: that's OK, I don't use stats much | Jan 06 02:16 |
| amarsh04 | .au is small enough that any known source of spam/DOS attacks within .au are dealt with fairly effectively | Jan 06 02:16 |
| schestowitz | I'm writing a quick rant | Jan 06 02:17 |
| schestowitz | This has gone on for a long time | Jan 06 02:17 |
| schestowitz | http://itnews.com.au/News/155673,isps-asked-to-cut-off-malware-infected-pcs.aspx | Jan 06 02:18 |
| amarsh04 | ok, if you can spare a little time to report ns1.qsa.qld.edu.au, it is up to them to clean their machine | Jan 06 02:18 |
| amarsh04 | in your case it wasn't "a pc" but a nameserver running at a reputable company (AAPT were the third telco in .au) | Jan 06 02:19 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: done | Jan 06 02:19 |
| amarsh04 | thanks schestowitz... | Jan 06 02:20 |
| amarsh04 | recent radio news headline: "Britain warns that Iceland may be frozen out of the European Union" | Jan 06 02:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Fun Android Predictions | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/y9xxqyl | Jan 06 02:25 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Fun Android Predictions | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 10.71 KB | Jan 06 02:25 |
| *Tallken has quit ("Leaving") | Jan 06 02:27 | |
| shreddar | OK, I've found a video of their voice keyboard: | Jan 06 02:28 |
| shreddar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laOlkD8LmZw | Jan 06 02:28 |
| shreddar | It's pretty neat. | Jan 06 02:29 |
| shreddar | Now I just need a video with it being used by a real person. | Jan 06 02:30 |
| shreddar | It's too soon for that I suppose. | Jan 06 02:30 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: Registration Page for WikiWars: The Centre for Internet and Society and Institute of Network ... http://bit.ly/7cbqOJ | Jan 06 02:31 | |
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| tessier | schestowitz: Some wordpress optimizaton docs I am reading says: Install and activate a PHP cache like WP-Cache 2 (trivial to install). If you do use WP-Cache 2, make sure you actually 'enable' it via its options page after you 'activate' it on Wordpress's plugin page. | Jan 06 02:32 |
| tessier | I think you installed wp-cache right? Did you enable as well as activate it? | Jan 06 02:32 |
| shreddar | No wait here it is: | Jan 06 02:33 |
| shreddar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZWpNKu7hJ0&feature=player_embedded# | Jan 06 02:33 |
| shreddar | Never mind that earlier last year. | Jan 06 02:33 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Perhaps Time for Authorities to Ban #Microsoft #Windows http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/05/denial-of-service-again/ | Jan 06 02:34 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Boycott Novell DDOS; Perhaps Time for Authorities to Ban Microsoft Windows | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 91.94 KB | Jan 06 02:34 |
| shreddar | It's obviously the same technology they are using now though. | Jan 06 02:36 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, let me recheck | Jan 06 02:38 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, "1011 Cached Pages" at the moment | Jan 06 02:39 |
| tessier | There are so many different pages on the site it takes quite a while for the cache to warm up. | Jan 06 02:49 |
| tessier | So far we have 92 hits and 528 misses. | Jan 06 02:49 |
| tessier | I have restarted varnish a couple of times while playing with it. Need to avoid doing that. | Jan 06 02:49 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmm | Jan 06 02:50 |
| schestowitz | I get "A DNS problem or firewall is preventing all access from your web server to Akismet.com. Akismet cannot work correctly until this is fixed. " | Jan 06 02:50 |
| schestowitz | I had this issue before, I can't recall why and how I fixed it | Jan 06 02:50 |
| schestowitz | We have this issue here: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/irc-log-31082009.html | Jan 06 02:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: August 31st, 2009 .::. Size~: 391.48 KB | Jan 06 02:51 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall what it ended up being... | Jan 06 02:51 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wave of Software Goes Free ( #GPL ) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/05/shimbi-rawtherapee-go-gpl/ | Jan 06 02:53 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Wave of Software Goes Free (Mostly GPL) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 95.27 KB | Jan 06 02:53 |
| tessier | hmm | Jan 06 02:53 |
| tessier | ah, I know what the dns problem is. | Jan 06 02:54 |
| schestowitz | I think there was some simple way to fix it. I don't think a fllter was the cause | Jan 06 02:54 |
| schestowitz | Akismet stopped working about 5 hours ago | Jan 06 02:55 |
| tessier | 5 hours ago? hmm...maybe....Doesn't seem like I've been working on this stuff for that long but I guess I have. I started moving some dns stuff around earlier today. | Jan 06 02:56 |
| tessier | But I bet akismet works now. | Jan 06 02:56 |
| shreddar | http://catb.org/~esr/open-source.html | Jan 06 02:56 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Index of / .::. Size~: 1.2 KB | Jan 06 02:56 |
| shreddar | "The problem with it is twofold. First, it's confusing; the term "free" is very ambiguous (something the Free Software Foundation's propaganda has to wrestle with constantly). Does "free" mean "no money charged?" or does it mean "free to be modified by anyone", or something else?" | Jan 06 02:57 |
| tessier | shreddar: Unfortunately most people view that as useless pedantry. We need to find a better way to sell it. | Jan 06 02:57 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I upgraded WordPress around 8 hours ago | Jan 06 02:58 |
| schestowitz | tessier: WORKS! :-) :-) :-) | Jan 06 02:59 |
| shreddar | Of course now it's too late to take the name open source. | Jan 06 03:01 |
| shreddar | We might still be able to make another term for free software. | Jan 06 03:02 |
| shreddar | I think 'freedom software' has been used as substitute by a few people already. | Jan 06 03:04 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.mepis.org/node/14230 | Jan 06 03:04 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: SimplyMEPIS 8.5 beta4 Greets a New Year | MEPIS .::. Size~: 10.91 KB | Jan 06 03:04 |
| shreddar | 'user freedom software', it's all in the name. | Jan 06 03:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A look at voice recognition in Google's new #Android (Linux) phone http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/05/android-voice-recognition/ | Jan 06 03:17 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Nice New Feature in Googles Linux Phone (VIdeo) | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 90.63 KB | Jan 06 03:17 |
| schestowitz | OK, gn | Jan 06 03:18 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: night | Jan 06 03:18 |
| shreddar | Good night | Jan 06 03:19 |
| *shreddar has quit ("sleep") | Jan 06 03:25 | |
| schestowitz | tessier: those dodgy requests are back | Jan 06 03:26 |
| schestowitz | 216.105.40.123 - - [05/Jan/2010:19:24:31 -0800] "GET /2008/10/ HTTP/1.1" 200 160444 "http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/05/hewlett-packard-software-patents/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.16) Gecko/2009120208 Firefox/3.0.16" | Jan 06 03:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 06 03:26 |
| schestowitz | 216.105.40.123 - - [05/Jan/2010:19:24:15 -0800] "GET /2009/07/ HTTP/1.1" 200 186757 "http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/05/hewlett-packard-software-patents/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.16) Gecko/2009120208 Firefox/3.0.16" | Jan 06 03:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 06 03:26 |
| schestowitz | 216.105.40.123 - - [05/Jan/2010:19:24:15 -0800] "GET /2009/10/ HTTP/1.1" 200 154310 "http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/05/hewlett-packard-software-patents/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.16) Gecko/2009120208 Firefox/3.0.16" | Jan 06 03:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 06 03:26 |
| schestowitz | 216.105.40.123 - - [05/Jan/2010:19:24:27 -0800] "GET /2008/12/ HTTP/1.1" 200 154674 "http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/05/hewlett-packard-software-patents/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.16) Gecko/2009120208 Firefox/3.0.16" | Jan 06 03:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 06 03:26 |
| schestowitz | 216.105.40.123 - - [05/Jan/2010:19:24:34 -0800] "GET /2009/05/ HTTP/1.1" 200 162108 "http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/05/hewlett-packard-software-patents/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.16) Gecko/2009120208 Firefox/3.0.16" | Jan 06 03:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 06 03:26 |
| schestowitz | 216.105.40.123 - - [05/Jan/2010:19:24:24 -0800] "GET /2009/12/ HTTP/1.1" 200 218378 "http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/05/hewlett-packard-software-patents/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.16) Gecko/2009120208 Firefox/3.0.16" | Jan 06 03:27 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 06 03:27 |
| schestowitz | Oh, oops | Jan 06 03:27 |
| schestowitz | How do I unblock in iptables? | Jan 06 03:27 |
| schestowitz | Quick,someone | Jan 06 03:27 |
| tessier | /sbin/iptables -D INPUT -s 82.128.32.201 -j DROP | Jan 06 03:28 |
| tessier | -D | Jan 06 03:28 |
| tessier | instead of -I | Jan 06 03:28 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jan 06 03:28 |
| tessier | Just callback the same command in your history | Jan 06 03:28 |
| tessier | Gotta run home, bbiab | Jan 06 03:29 |
| schestowitz | Wha command? | Jan 06 03:30 |
| schestowitz | What command? | Jan 06 03:30 |
| schestowitz | I accidentally blocked the server | Jan 06 03:30 |
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| yuhong | Oops, Error 503 Service Unavailable. | Jan 06 03:32 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 06 03:32 |
| schestowitz | I accidentally /sbin/iptables -D INPUT -s <IP> -j DROP | Jan 06 03:33 |
| schestowitz | On wrong IP | Jan 06 03:33 |
| schestowitz | How do I revert this? | Jan 06 03:33 |
| schestowitz | To take <IP> off the deny list? | Jan 06 03:33 |
| yuhong | Just add it back using -I or -A. | Jan 06 03:35 |
| yuhong | I think, from just reading the mac page. | Jan 06 03:35 |
| schestowitz | WHat would be the full command? | Jan 06 03:37 |
| yuhong | Reading man page. | Jan 06 03:39 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Jan 06 03:39 |
| yuhong | I am not very familer with iptables, but I can try | Jan 06 03:41 |
| yuhong | Try | Jan 06 03:41 |
| yuhong | iptables -D DROP -s <IP> -j INPUT | Jan 06 03:41 |
| schestowitz | I think ACCEPT is the key | Jan 06 03:42 |
| yuhong | AFRIK I was arguing that MS isn't entirely responsible for the botnet. | Jan 06 03:43 |
| yuhong | AFRIK I was arguing that MS isn't entirely responsible for the botnet attacks. | Jan 06 03:43 |
| schestowitz | Damn. | Jan 06 03:44 |
| schestowitz | I can't figure out yet how to undo this block | Jan 06 03:44 |
| yuhong | iptables -D DROP -s <IP> -j ACCEPT | Jan 06 03:44 |
| yuhong | http://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter/2004-April/052105.html | Jan 06 03:44 |
| schestowitz | Well, I've just flushed it | Jan 06 03:49 |
| schestowitz | iptables --flush | Jan 06 03:50 |
| yuhong | And it works again. | Jan 06 03:50 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but the wrong way to solve it | Jan 06 03:50 |
| schestowitz | ANd the reason it all started is because those bots were back | Jan 06 03:50 |
| schestowitz | gn | Jan 06 03:51 |
| yuhong | But considering this is urgent, I think it is a good solution for now. | Jan 06 03:53 |
| yuhong | You can always correct it later. | Jan 06 03:53 |
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| yuhong | AFAIK, for example, if a worm rely on a zero-day that MS did not yet patch, then you can reasonably point finger at MS for it. | Jan 06 04:02 |
| yuhong | But if MS already issued a patch, then it is the fault of the users not applying it. | Jan 06 04:02 |
| cubezzz | or don't bother using MS at all | Jan 06 04:03 |
| cubezzz | even simpler | Jan 06 04:03 |
| yuhong | In fact, the same logic apply to any security vulnerability, regardless of the vendor. | Jan 06 04:04 |
| cubezzz | watch the logs, watch the processes... | Jan 06 04:04 |
| yuhong | Good idea too, regardless of OS. | Jan 06 04:05 |
| cubezzz | MS are mostly marketers | Jan 06 04:07 |
| cubezzz | every so long it's time to pay again :) | Jan 06 04:08 |
| cubezzz | which is good if you hold stock, but bad for everybody else | Jan 06 04:08 |
| cubezzz | they killed BeOS for example | Jan 06 04:09 |
| cubezzz | they locked up the OEMs... mostly it's bad news | Jan 06 04:09 |
| yuhong | I know, I remember reading about it. | Jan 06 04:10 |
| cubezzz | probably locking up the OEMs was the worst | Jan 06 04:10 |
| cubezzz | so now no BeOS probably no IRIX or other Unixes | Jan 06 04:11 |
| cubezzz | which leaves: Windows, Mac and Linux for OS | Jan 06 04:11 |
| yuhong | BTW, a more recent attempt at preventing dual-booting came in a new version of the MS system builder agreement, which require using the OPK to preinstall Windows. | Jan 06 04:12 |
| yuhong | Some argued that it was designed to prevent dual-booting. | Jan 06 04:12 |
| cubezzz | OPK? | Jan 06 04:12 |
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| yuhong | OEM Preinstallation Kit. | Jan 06 04:13 |
| cubezzz | ha | Jan 06 04:13 |
| cubezzz | of course | Jan 06 04:13 |
| yuhong | If you want to read the agreement I just mentioned, here is a link: | Jan 06 04:13 |
| yuhong | http://oem.microsoft.com/script/contentPage.aspx?pageid=552857 | Jan 06 04:13 |
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| cubezzz | thanks | Jan 06 04:14 |
| yuhong | The new version came into effect in 2005, I think. | Jan 06 04:14 |
| cubezzz | the DOJ is asleep at the wheel still | Jan 06 04:14 |
| cubezzz | surely these OEM agreements are more important that the browsers | Jan 06 04:15 |
| cubezzz | maybe they did do something about it but I never heard anything | Jan 06 04:16 |
| cubezzz | Dell and Acer do seem to offer some Linux boxes | Jan 06 04:16 |
| cubezzz | there's tons of Intel Atom boxes at least | Jan 06 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: HP shipped this laptop with Firefox as the default browser | Jan 06 04:16 |
| yuhong | Yes, it is about preventing dual-booting only, I think. | Jan 06 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | that was in 2005 | Jan 06 04:17 |
| cubezzz | My understanding is that Dell does do Dual-boot | Jan 06 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | dual boot is not really in the OEM's best interest, yuhong | Jan 06 04:17 |
| cubezzz | one customer told me he got dual boot with Windows/Ubuntu without even asking for it | Jan 06 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | it would increase their support calls | Jan 06 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | think about all the morons that can barely figure Windows out | Jan 06 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | Watch them accidentally boot into something they've never seen before | Jan 06 04:18 |
| yuhong | The only reason I mention it is that MS attacked Windows/BeOS dual-booting before. | Jan 06 04:19 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, I make dual-boot systems all the time for used or new | Jan 06 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | BeOS had a way to install it in a file on your Windows partition | Jan 06 04:19 |
| cubezzz | yuhong, I had a bit of trouble getting windows 7 dual-booting with Fedora 11 | Jan 06 04:19 |
| cubezzz | but eventually I figured it out | Jan 06 04:19 |
| cubezzz | allow me to re-iterate that I don't personally use windows | Jan 06 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | People think Wubi is something original | Jan 06 04:20 |
| yuhong | On the other hand, the agreement could be interpheted as not prevent dual-booting, but just require the Win side preinstalled with the OPK. | Jan 06 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | Mandrake 5.1 could do the same thing | Jan 06 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | they removed the feature because it makes no sense | Jan 06 04:21 |
| cubezzz | I am very suspicious of Microsoft | Jan 06 04:21 |
| cubezzz | I find that windows 7 hits the hard drive a lot compared to other OSes | Jan 06 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: I haven't noticed that | Jan 06 04:22 |
| cubezzz | the fundamental problem still exists, I can't buy no OS computer (PDA, netbook or whatever) | Jan 06 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | yeah you can | Jan 06 04:23 |
| cubezzz | I can buy no OS PDA? | Jan 06 04:24 |
| cubezzz | show me where | Jan 06 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | PDA? no | Jan 06 04:24 |
| cubezzz | i essense I have to always pay Microsoft tax or Mac tax | Jan 06 04:25 |
| cubezzz | there is no zero tax | Jan 06 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | PDAs are basically a self-contained system | Jan 06 04:25 |
| cubezzz | in essense | Jan 06 04:25 |
| yuhong | Dell offers some computers with FreeDOS, I think. | Jan 06 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | yes, they all want to control what you run on them | Jan 06 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | and profiteer off third party developers | Jan 06 04:25 |
| cubezzz | I wouldn't care about no OS if there was a Linux choice but you see that I don't really have a no OS choice right? | Jan 06 04:26 |
| cubezzz | consider non-Desktop systems | Jan 06 04:26 |
| cubezzz | Desktop yeah, I can just build from parts so no problem | Jan 06 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Jamie Zawinski was talking about the hell of developing and publishing Palm apps | Jan 06 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | they want you to pay them even iff you're giving the app away for free | Jan 06 04:27 |
| cubezzz | give me programming specs, and blank device, I'll do the rest | Jan 06 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | and you're not allowed to distribute the source code for the app anywhere else | Jan 06 04:27 |
| cubezzz | seriously :) | Jan 06 04:27 |
| cubezzz | Palm Pre is linux though? | Jan 06 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't matter | Jan 06 04:28 |
| cubezzz | I don't know, I don't use Palm anyways | Jan 06 04:28 |
| cubezzz | I use Zaurus | Jan 06 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | Linux can be made into a platform full of DRM | Jan 06 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | has been done | Jan 06 04:28 |
| cubezzz | I have never failed in removing DRM from anything | Jan 06 04:28 |
| cubezzz | but still it's a bother | Jan 06 04:29 |
| cubezzz | the tennis videos took me a week to figure out | Jan 06 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | makes sure you can only run apps that Palm has signed | Jan 06 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | just as bad as the iPhone | Jan 06 04:29 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, for Zaurus I am porting, no problems at all | Jan 06 04:30 |
| cubezzz | BSD code, Linux code, GNU code... pretty easily | Jan 06 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but it's all about what normal people use | Jan 06 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | there's basically only a few mobile operating systems that anyone use | Jan 06 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Mobile, that miniature OS X, and DRM-encrusted unrecognizable Linux with Palm/Google name slapped on it | Jan 06 04:31 |
| cubezzz | uh no | Jan 06 04:31 |
| cubezzz | you missed Embedix and the ones that spawned from Embedix | Jan 06 04:32 |
| cubezzz | there's a whole family tree there | Jan 06 04:32 |
| yuhong | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/12/04/2327204/Why-Open-Source-Phones-Still-Fail | Jan 06 04:32 |
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| yuhong | Yea, it is unfortunate. | Jan 06 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | open source hasn't failed, free software has | Jan 06 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | Android is obviously based on FOSS, but it isn't freedom-respecting | Jan 06 04:34 |
| cubezzz | last time I checked GNU was still being updated | Jan 06 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | a win for Android is not a win for FOSS | Jan 06 04:34 |
| cubezzz | you are looking at a tiny pin-hole of devices | Jan 06 04:34 |
| cubezzz | maybe in the future we will have citizen's band internet :) | Jan 06 04:35 |
| cubezzz | like the old FidoNet, slow but free | Jan 06 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | they tried that once, it was called the internet | Jan 06 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | it was consumed by Microsoft and Apple | Jan 06 04:35 |
| cubezzz | no, internet we have is always pay $$$ | Jan 06 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | and the various mega-ISPs | Jan 06 04:36 |
| cubezzz | this time I mean free as in price | Jan 06 04:36 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, that is a US perspective, we have several strong freenets in Canada | Jan 06 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, you have to pay big bucks to a handful of monopoly ISPs to access an internet crapped up with Microsoft, Apple, and Adobe formats that can't be easily reverse engineered and reimplemented | Jan 06 04:37 |
| cubezzz | indeed, Toronto Freenet is my ISP | Jan 06 04:37 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, right exactly, that's why it sucks | Jan 06 04:37 |
| yuhong | I know. | Jan 06 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is actually starting to plateau | Jan 06 04:38 |
| cubezzz | in the beginning it was quite different | Jan 06 04:38 |
| yuhong | And some patented ones too, like MP3 and once GIF. | Jan 06 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | it's losing momentum to Chrome and Safari | Jan 06 04:38 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, you know what I use for weather? :) | Jan 06 04:38 |
| yuhong | I use Chrome sometimes. | Jan 06 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | the shame of that is that Firefox is supporting Vorbis and Theora | Jan 06 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | Apple and Google want MPEG formats | Jan 06 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | and if Microsoft ever supports anything, it'll be Windows Media | Jan 06 04:39 |
| cubezzz | I use Lynx for weather! | Jan 06 04:39 |
| cubezzz | fastest by far | Jan 06 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | Lynx runs on Windows :P | Jan 06 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | I have it | Jan 06 04:40 |
| cubezzz | a new internet needs to be created | Jan 06 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | they should have used it on the Wii | Jan 06 04:41 |
| yuhong | I would not go that far. | Jan 06 04:41 |
| cubezzz | one without all the problems of the current internet | Jan 06 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's about ridiculous how slow the Wii browser is | Jan 06 04:41 |
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| amarsh04 | me uses lynx for www.bom.gov.au also | Jan 06 04:43 |
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| z3r0_k00l75 | hello all | Jan 06 04:48 |
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| tessier_ | 0.99 TxURL /index.php?ui=./../../../../../../../../etc/passwd | Jan 06 05:42 |
| tessier_ | quite a bit of this type of stuff in the logs. | Jan 06 05:43 |
| tessier_ | php sites are always targets | Jan 06 05:43 |
| cubezzz | what are they trying to do? | Jan 06 05:46 |
| cubezzz | I see stuff like that in my logs too | Jan 06 05:47 |
| tessier_ | They are trying to exploit a path traversal bug | Jan 06 05:52 |
| tessier_ | Somewhere someone wrote code that runs 8 levels down from / and that string will make the php code give you the passwd file | Jan 06 05:53 |
| tessier_ | So, does boycottnovell.com seem faster to anyone else? | Jan 06 05:53 |
| cubezzz | umm, seems about the same | Jan 06 05:54 |
| tessier_ | Is it slow? | Jan 06 05:55 |
| tessier_ | Still not caching as well as it should. /feed and the main page still get pulled to often. | Jan 06 05:55 |
| cubezzz | a little slow maybe | Jan 06 05:59 |
| cubezzz | still usable | Jan 06 05:59 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] I've now completed #HalfLife2, Epi 1, 2, and Portal. When the hell is Ep 3 coming out already, #Valve? | Jan 06 06:13 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #HalfLife2 updated with Episode 2 tech http://ur1.ca/j4pt | Jan 06 06:23 | |
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| kecskebak | Well done Iceland!!!! http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6977152.ece | Jan 06 06:55 |
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| kecskebak | I hope they decide not to pay. | Jan 06 06:55 |
| amarsh04 | I get a bit of a giggle from statements like "threaten to freeze Iceland" | Jan 06 06:57 |
| Omar87_ | schestowitz: and here it is, the Billy Gates prophecy is taking shape here in Jordan: http://jordanopensource.org/blog/microsofts-anti-piracy-campaign-good-open-source | Jan 06 06:57 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #HalfLife2 is now, again, the best looking game out thanks to the Cinematic Mod http://ur1.ca/j4ra | Jan 06 06:58 | |
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| amarsh04 | Omar87_, it seems like the .us government pays Jordan money so that Jordan pays Microsoft even more money (reverse aid) | Jan 06 07:02 |
| Omar87_ | amarsh04: yeah, I guess this is true. | Jan 06 07:03 |
| Omar87_ | amarsh04: But as I was saying, Bill Gate's prophecy "and then, we'll figure how to collect sometime in the next decade" is taking shape right now. | Jan 06 07:04 |
| amarsh04 | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/06/2786732.htm | Jan 06 07:04 |
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| fewa | I don't read anything released by any of the mass media news outlets anymore | Jan 06 07:07 |
| fewa | its mostly bull | Jan 06 07:07 |
| Omar87_ | fewa: agreed. | Jan 06 07:08 |
| fewa | not worth my time | Jan 06 07:08 |
| Omar87_ | Very true. | Jan 06 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think that if there were some kind of grand unified conspiracy, that all the "news" outlets would all tell the same story | Jan 06 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | you know, like China or Iran or something | Jan 06 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | or that there's only maybe be one news agency, like China or Iran or something | Jan 06 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | you wouldn't expect Fox News to be subverting the current administration | Jan 06 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | sure you could say it's a ruse to make it look like there's criticism of the present administration | Jan 06 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | but Fox News tends to create some very dangerous anti-government psychotic nutcases that go blow up buildings with fertilizer bombs | Jan 06 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | so that would be a little counter-intuitive | Jan 06 07:13 |
| amarsh04 | submitted to DarwinAwards.com: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/06/2786786.htm | Jan 06 07:14 |
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| DaemonFC | now this taser says don't shock someone in the nuts with it | Jan 06 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | so if I'm attacked, I'll make sure to go for the nuts :D | Jan 06 07:16 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Watching neighbours dig car out, get onto road, wheel spin, put it back on the drieway. 30 mins wasted. | Jan 06 07:26 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is not going to offer upgrade editions for Office 2010 | Jan 06 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | that'll be good for OOo uptake | Jan 06 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what the hell Ballmer is thinking | Jan 06 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | "Worst economic recession in 25 years.......make them all pay double to keep using Office....of course!!!" | Jan 06 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | after all, everyone has $200 laying around per PC to keep running MS Office, why not? | Jan 06 07:30 |
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| amarsh04 | After reading about bugs with calculations in excel, I installed Linux and gnumeric | Jan 06 07:33 |
| amarsh04 | although my spreadsheet use is limited to generating award pay rates when only the base rates and percentage loadings are published | Jan 06 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but they hid a video game in Excel 95 | Jan 06 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | that was totally worth getting Office 95 for :P | Jan 06 07:38 |
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| cubezzz | OO uptake must be increasing | Jan 06 09:00 |
| cubezzz | it's just simple economics | Jan 06 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | I just think it's funny | Jan 06 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | the arrogance involved in thinking they can double what Office 2010 will cost you | Jan 06 09:11 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft 's Puppy, #Fortify , Attacks #Android (Linux) Over #Ereader 'Security' http://ur1.ca/j58n | Jan 06 09:28 | |
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| fewa | UK electricity seems similar to aggregate US, with exception of hydro which it lacks: | Jan 06 09:37 |
| fewa | * gas – 39.93% (0.05% in 1990) | Jan 06 09:43 |
| fewa | * coal – 33.08% (67.22% in 1990) | Jan 06 09:43 |
| fewa | * nuclear – 19.26% (18.97% in 1990) | Jan 06 09:43 |
| fewa | * renewables – 3.55% (0% in 1990) | Jan 06 09:43 |
| fewa | * hydroelectric – 1.10% (2.55% in 1990) | Jan 06 09:43 |
| fewa | * imports – 1.96% (3.85% in 1990) | Jan 06 09:43 |
| fewa | * oil – 1.12% (6.82% in 1990) | Jan 06 09:43 |
| fewa | http://www.decc.gov.uk/media/viewfile.ashx?filepath=statistics/source/electricity/dukes5_1.xls&filetype=4 | Jan 06 09:43 |
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| fewa | France: | Jan 06 09:43 |
| fewa | * nuclear: 74.5% | Jan 06 09:43 |
| fewa | * hydro-electric: 16.2% | Jan 06 09:43 |
| fewa | * thermal: 9.2% | Jan 06 09:43 |
| fewa | * wind power and other renewable sources: 0.1% | Jan 06 09:43 |
| fewa | big difference | Jan 06 09:43 |
| fewa | Germany is massively building wind | Jan 06 09:44 |
| fewa | WTF:Germany is the fourth largest producer of nuclear power in the world, but in 2000 the government and the German nuclear power industry agreed to phase out all nuclear power plants by 2021.[2] | Jan 06 09:45 |
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| fewa | Why are Germany greens against Nuclear? | Jan 06 09:46 |
| fewa | its idiotic | Jan 06 09:46 |
| fewa | http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste | Jan 06 09:46 |
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| fewa | most German electricity comes from coal | Jan 06 09:47 |
| fewa | shear stupidity | Jan 06 09:47 |
| fewa | "As a result of its efforts, Germany has become a world leader in the use of non-conventional renewable energy for electricity generation, particularly in photovoltaic and wind turbine installations. At the same time, Germany continues to rely heavily on coal power, with usage actually increasing to offset the phase-out of nuclear energy[15]." | Jan 06 09:48 |
| fewa | political idiots | Jan 06 09:48 |
| fewa | and stupid public | Jan 06 09:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RD@jzim R.Stallman calls you http://ur1.ca/j3nf to support La Quadrature du Net http://ur1.ca/j3nh #eff #org #floss #fsf #floss #gnulinux | Jan 06 09:49 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RD @osamak: Today, tinyogg.com is released! A Free #GNUG service to convert #YouTube videos into Ogg (video and audio). | Jan 06 09:50 | |
| schestowitz | fewa: nuclear has downsides too | Jan 06 09:50 |
| fewa | its far better than coal | Jan 06 09:51 |
| schestowitz | But maybe it's the coal lobby saying this, it's hard to tell | Jan 06 09:51 |
| fewa | in every metric | Jan 06 09:51 |
| fewa | especially when its already built | Jan 06 09:51 |
| fewa | the main downside of nuclear is the massive cost of construction | Jan 06 09:51 |
| fewa | and the great deals of concrete needed | Jan 06 09:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/06/year_2010_payment_card_bug/ | Jan 06 10:07 |
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| oiaohm | Same downunder schestowitz | Jan 06 10:08 |
| oiaohm | It was fun doing business for a few days. A few places had no credit card processing. | Jan 06 10:09 |
| fewa | the concrete factory in my city was sent to china about 5 years ago | Jan 06 10:09 |
| fewa | the aluminum smelter shut down and others were built elsewhere | Jan 06 10:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/01/05/google-increases-lead-in-online-video there's finally a good online ogg covertor | Jan 06 10:11 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Google Increases Lead In Online Video | WebProNews .::. Size~: 30.86 KB | Jan 06 10:11 |
| schestowitz | fewa: same with UK mines in a way | Jan 06 10:11 |
| schestowitz | Energy comes from elsewhere | Jan 06 10:11 |
| fewa | coal mines? | Jan 06 10:11 |
| schestowitz | There was an energy crisis | Jan 06 10:11 |
| fewa | the US had its in the 70s | Jan 06 10:12 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, in December 2007 they warned that there may be outages due to lack of power being generated | Jan 06 10:12 |
| fewa | and Jimmy Carter understood it and made action on it | Jan 06 10:12 |
| schestowitz | fewa: yes, Yorkshire | Jan 06 10:12 |
| fewa | but then the corporations and the media mobilized and coup d'état'ed with Reagan | Jan 06 10:12 |
| fewa | and undid everything | Jan 06 10:12 |
| schestowitz | And now there's high employment in there. No room for jobs that used to exist, or says a friend of mine | Jan 06 10:12 |
| fewa | even took down the solar panels from the white house roof | Jan 06 10:13 |
| schestowitz | Of course. It looked hedeous :0) | Jan 06 10:13 |
| fewa | schestowitz, I heard large numbers of polish immigrants went back to Poland | Jan 06 10:13 |
| schestowitz | *hideous | Jan 06 10:13 |
| schestowitz | Where from? | Jan 06 10:13 |
| schestowitz | UK? | Jan 06 10:14 |
| fewa | yes | Jan 06 10:14 |
| schestowitz | I know some Polish people here, some left | Jan 06 10:14 |
| schestowitz | There used to be spare jobs in services | Jan 06 10:14 |
| schestowitz | A lot of car manufacturing is done in Poland now | Jan 06 10:14 |
| fewa | lol | Jan 06 10:14 |
| fewa | what a waste of energy | Jan 06 10:15 |
| pawel_121 | Schestowitz Good to know ;> | Jan 06 10:15 |
| fewa | US car manufactures were ahead of the rest :P | Jan 06 10:15 |
| schestowitz | TV also | Jan 06 10:16 |
| fewa | LCDs? | Jan 06 10:16 |
| fewa | still worthless junk | Jan 06 10:16 |
| schestowitz | http://images.google.com/images?rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&hl=en&source=hp&q=rca+production+line&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi= | Jan 06 10:16 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: rca production line - Google Search .::. Size~: 50.61 KB | Jan 06 10:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.taiwan-panorama.com/en/show_issue.php?id=2007109610075e.txt&table=2&h1=About%20Taiwan&h2=Disasters "RCA came to Taiwan in 1969 to build a factory to produce electronic parts for televisions, employing more than 18,000 people at peak production. Most of those on the production line were women. (rephotographed from RCA's in-house magazine) " | Jan 06 10:17 |
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| cubezzz | I think RCA is completely gone now? | Jan 06 10:19 |
| fewa | I dont care | Jan 06 10:20 |
| fewa | don't personify the corporations | Jan 06 10:20 |
| fewa | it only gives them more credence | Jan 06 10:20 |
| cubezzz | it does seem we manufacturer less and less in North America though | Jan 06 10:21 |
| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/01/05/espn.3d/index.html | Jan 06 10:21 |
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| fewa | NA peaked in 1970 | Jan 06 10:21 |
| schestowitz | Northern Alliance? :-) | Jan 06 10:21 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2009/01/hack-attack-portrays-bean-president-europe/ | Jan 06 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/05/israeli-officers-cancel-u_n_412190.html | Jan 06 10:23 |
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| schestowitz | Olbermann: Cheney ‘is nothing more or less’ than a traitor http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/31054.html | Jan 06 10:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2009/01/grayson-suggests-satan-wrote-introduction-cheneys-book/ | Jan 06 10:25 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Grayson suggests Satan wrote introduction to Cheneys book | Raw Story .::. Size~: 35.61 KB | Jan 06 10:25 |
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| Murloc | Hello everyone | Jan 06 10:25 |
| Murloc | hi Roy | Jan 06 10:25 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 06 10:27 |
| schestowitz | What's up? | Jan 06 10:27 |
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| schestowitz | I suppose this runs Linux..? http://www.pcworld.com/article/185890/skiff_new_ereader.html?tk=rss_news | Jan 06 10:36 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Skiff Looks Interesting, but Do We Need Another E-Reader? - PC World .::. Size~: 68.14 KB | Jan 06 10:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/185915/class_action_suit_microsoft.html?tk=rss_news http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/01/05/aduc_to_file_windows_class_action_compensation/ | Jan 06 10:39 |
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| Murloc | Nothing just trying to get support for the portal extension for the smf | Jan 06 10:40 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RD @j4v4m4n 3 idiots is like copying c programs in first year engg. Change the variable names & printf statements like u wrote it urself ! | Jan 06 10:53 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/05/e-readers-kindle-goe.html | Jan 06 11:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/05/war-blogger-michael.html | Jan 06 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.topix.net/science/computer-science/2010/01/father-killed-daughter-then-posted-on-bebo-to-pretend-she-was-alive?fromrss=1 | Jan 06 11:22 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Father killed daughter then posted on Bebo to pretend she was alive - Topix .::. Size~: 43.47 KB | Jan 06 11:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/akwwb/the_29billion_cdrom_were_sorry_were_unable_to/ :-) | Jan 06 11:31 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The $2.9billion CDROM: We're sorry, we're unable to complete your order from this Amazon Merchant. : reddit.com .::. Size~: 176.27 KB | Jan 06 11:31 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Development of FOSS4WIN 10.2 started: http://tinyurl.com/yzwjall | Jan 06 11:42 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: OSGEEX: FOSS4WIN 10.2 in development .::. Size~: 72.9 KB | Jan 06 11:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.stephenfry.com/2010/01/02/ave-atque-vale/ | Jan 06 11:42 |
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| rnb | yawn | Jan 06 11:42 |
| rnb | hi | Jan 06 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Fry: ooooh ohhhh! The world should stop for me :-) | Jan 06 11:43 |
| kecskebak | "I've used many operating systems - this kind and that kind. But I think you peasants should use G- New -Sense. While rich people like me can of course keep using Apples" | Jan 06 11:49 |
| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/XJthe.jpg | Jan 06 11:49 |
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| fewa | schestowitz, nice | Jan 06 11:53 |
| schestowitz | http://larryblumenthal.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/six-lessons-learned-from-launching-and-closing-a-community/#more-314 | Jan 06 11:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2010/1/5/4420793.html | Jan 06 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6945/1/ | Jan 06 12:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Test-Version-of-Opera-10.5-for-Linux ogg | Jan 06 12:04 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Please *someone* invite me to Google WAVE ;-) | Jan 06 12:09 | |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm... the filter seems to have worked against the latest flood from WIndows bots | Jan 06 12:10 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst ask @_goblin | Jan 06 12:11 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst @trmanco too might have a Wave invite for you | Jan 06 12:12 | |
| Murloc | Windows is for stupid people | Jan 06 12:16 |
| Murloc | i mean they even have AV | Jan 06 12:17 |
| Murloc | and they can't use it... | Jan 06 12:17 |
| fewa | AV is like filling the holes in swiss cheese | Jan 06 12:17 |
| oiaohm | AV is ment to be the last layer on the onion of security. | Jan 06 12:18 |
| oiaohm | Windows is insanely hard to find what has be altered from defaults. | Jan 06 12:19 |
| schestowitz | Windows is not diverse, either | Jan 06 12:19 |
| schestowitz | It behaves in the same way and runs the same stuff | Jan 06 12:19 |
| schestowitz | WinXP+WinIE, no random memory alloc in some ways | Jan 06 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Diverse does not add or remove from secuirtly that much. | Jan 06 12:20 |
| schestowitz | So you can use buffer overflows to just turn 60%+ of all systems on the Net to zombies | Jan 06 12:20 |
| oiaohm | There are ways to see threw random memory allocations. | Jan 06 12:20 |
| oiaohm | Big thing is Linux users have always had like certifed app stores. | Jan 06 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Repos too | Jan 06 12:21 |
| oiaohm | So don't go around installing application from random sources and getting infected. | Jan 06 12:21 |
| schestowitz | I mean, that's what they are called | Jan 06 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Not that they are separate | Jan 06 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Repos are like the app stores in phones. | Jan 06 12:21 |
| schestowitz | And also less simple to install by clicking stuff | Jan 06 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Or executing stuff by clicking in attachments | Jan 06 12:22 |
| oiaohm | Lot of minor secuirty alterations equal a huge secuirty different. | Jan 06 12:22 |
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| oiaohm | Big one is a defeated Linux system can be audited quite well to find what an attacker has altered. | Jan 06 12:22 |
| oiaohm | Format solution is basically delete the evidence and hope never to hit it again. | Jan 06 12:23 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why does the leader of the #Fedora proiject use #CentOS and not #RedHat ? http://frields.org/ | Jan 06 12:31 | |
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| pawel_121 | I saw kaspersky, who makes damn av app, spreaded FUD about Linux some time ago | Jan 06 12:40 |
| pawel_121 | they advertised their products same time | Jan 06 12:40 |
| pawel_121 | it looks they want to get some new fools who'll buy their crap | Jan 06 12:41 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz Thanks Roy, I will. @goblin is OK IMHO ;-) | Jan 06 12:41 | |
| pawel_121 | such viruses which are common on ms systems just don't exist on Linux | Jan 06 12:43 |
| pawel_121 | to be affected you've got to manually run affected app which is trojan and trojan!=ms viruses | Jan 06 12:43 |
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| pawel_121 | ms viruses pbobably can only exist on ms badly designed systems, so on every windows etc. | Jan 06 12:45 |
| pawel_121 | probably* | Jan 06 12:45 |
| pawel_121 | it was even mentioned in one of the links at bn | Jan 06 12:45 |
| pawel_121 | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/6341 | Jan 06 12:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Kaspersky Labs' slated for Linux virus FUD | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 24.08 KB | Jan 06 12:48 |
| pawel_121 | http://phandroid.com/2009/12/17/kaspersky-beware-malicious-android-programs-in-2010/ | Jan 06 12:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Kaspersky: Beware Malicious Android Programs In 2010 | Android Phone Fans .::. Size~: 50.09 KB | Jan 06 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Alarmist backed by Apple fan (Asay): http://gigaom.com/2010/01/05/leave-virginia-alone-on-open-source-and-proprietary-threats/ | Jan 06 12:51 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Leave Virginia Alone: On Open-source and Proprietary Threats GigaOM .::. Size~: 71.25 KB | Jan 06 12:51 |
| schestowitz | ANd other pseudopen sourcers like Blankenorn | Jan 06 12:52 |
| schestowitz | pawel_121: yes, around 2008 | Jan 06 12:52 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] "Erase software patents and hundreds of thousands of jobs will be erased from the economy": http://i5.be/afv | Jan 06 12:52 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Praying the Supremes Get Bilski Right in 2010 | IPWatchdog.com | Patents & Patent Law .::. Size~: 105.76 KB | Jan 06 12:52 |
| schestowitz | They need a niche | Jan 06 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Yet many more might be created. | Jan 06 12:53 |
| schestowitz | phIRCe-local: Fortify too | Jan 06 12:53 |
| fewa | "Confucius also observed that, "mortality increases when food supply is insufficient; that permanent marriage makes for high infantile mortality rates, that war checks population growth."[5]" | Jan 06 12:56 |
| fewa | that permanent marriage makes for high infantile mortality rates | Jan 06 12:56 |
| fewa | wo why that is?? | Jan 06 12:56 |
| fewa | <fewa> population control is best possible with birth control, low infant mortality, and low death at childbirth | Jan 06 12:56 |
| fewa | <fewa> which are all recent phenomenon | Jan 06 12:56 |
| fewa | <fewa> and have changed the ways of women dramatically | Jan 06 12:56 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> Yes | Jan 06 12:56 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> But it's a taboo | Jan 06 12:56 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> To suggest so it like suggesting genoice | Jan 06 12:56 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> And being compared to mass killers | Jan 06 12:56 |
| fewa | <fewa> china does it | Jan 06 12:56 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> Esp. among religious circles | Jan 06 12:56 |
| fewa | <schestowitz> Some profs here have no kids by choice | Jan 06 12:56 |
| fewa | <fewa> its not like you would keep it in time of plague | Jan 06 12:56 |
| fewa | or other debilitating strife of the population | Jan 06 12:57 |
| schestowitz | They would not | Jan 06 12:57 |
| fewa | <fewa> population control is best possible with birth control, low infant mortality, and low death at childbirth | Jan 06 12:57 |
| fewa | this is also a source of alot of the population problems | Jan 06 12:57 |
| fewa | (not birth control obviously) | Jan 06 12:57 |
| schestowitz | "Family planning" | Jan 06 12:58 |
| schestowitz | That's the polite term | Jan 06 12:58 |
| fewa | culturally use to 5 kids or so | Jan 06 12:58 |
| fewa | because they use to die young | Jan 06 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Like "climate change" | Jan 06 12:58 |
| fewa | and alot of women use to die at their first pregnency | Jan 06 12:58 |
| schestowitz | SOmeone once said: | Jan 06 12:59 |
| fewa | careful use of antibacterials has done some really good things | Jan 06 12:59 |
| fewa | *antibiotics | Jan 06 12:59 |
| schestowitz | As we improve out health we lead to congestion issues | Jan 06 12:59 |
| schestowitz | If we help reduce mortality in Africa, more children will be born there | Jan 06 12:59 |
| schestowitz | So it's a type of dilemma | Jan 06 12:59 |
| schestowitz | We intervene with selection in nature | Jan 06 12:59 |
| schestowitz | We support everything and everyone | Jan 06 13:00 |
| fewa | schestowitz, best way to lower birth rate is electric lights | Jan 06 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Which is morally good | Jan 06 13:00 |
| schestowitz | But has other consequences | Jan 06 13:00 |
| fewa | its really amazing what an effect it has | Jan 06 13:00 |
| fewa | people like to learn, study, etc | Jan 06 13:00 |
| schestowitz | We offer welfare to so-called "baby machines" | Jan 06 13:00 |
| fewa | and be productive | Jan 06 13:00 |
| fewa | and light lets them do that | Jan 06 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Then they have /more/ kids | Jan 06 13:00 |
| schestowitz | It's dark here 16 hours/day now | Jan 06 13:00 |
| fewa | you give every african light, a cheap computer (both in power and construction), and internet | Jan 06 13:01 |
| fewa | and you can fix the population problem | Jan 06 13:01 |
| schestowitz | More like 15, but anyway... | Jan 06 13:01 |
| schestowitz | Imagine a 15-hour sleep | Jan 06 13:01 |
| fewa | to a large degree | Jan 06 13:01 |
| fewa | 15-hour sleep makes a person sick | Jan 06 13:01 |
| schestowitz | Short life | Jan 06 13:01 |
| schestowitz | Too little is bad for other reasons | Jan 06 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Easier as one gets older, though | Jan 06 13:02 |
| fewa | used a single candle | Jan 06 13:02 |
| fewa | and did things by feel | Jan 06 13:02 |
| fewa | time of depressing | Jan 06 13:02 |
| fewa | thats the real reason christmas is where it is | Jan 06 13:02 |
| fewa | right after solstice | Jan 06 13:02 |
| fewa | there was a god book on population control i read when a kid | Jan 06 13:03 |
| fewa | it was about "shadow children" | Jan 06 13:03 |
| fewa | 3rd kids born outside the law | Jan 06 13:03 |
| fewa | and itn orwellian society | Jan 06 13:04 |
| oiaohm | There are many thing that cause population problems. | Jan 06 13:04 |
| fewa | based on centrally-managed economic strife | Jan 06 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Ends of wars is a good one. | Jan 06 13:04 |
| fewa | the main plot was the a third child from a poor family and a 3rd child from a rich family that lived in a suburban house (it was very american--suburbia and a sterotypical, disconnected farmer) | Jan 06 13:05 |
| fewa | oiaohm, feudal lors like excess population cause it gave them more fun killing peasents | Jan 06 13:06 |
| fewa | well, i guess i extrapolated that :P | Jan 06 13:07 |
| fewa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_control#The_16th_and_17th_Century | Jan 06 13:07 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Population control - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 107.29 KB | Jan 06 13:07 |
| fewa | a big political swing happened with the plague | Jan 06 13:07 |
| fewa | which shook up the feudal system | Jan 06 13:08 |
| oiaohm | Feudal lors ends up in a rabbit pattern. | Jan 06 13:08 |
| fewa | "Be ye fruitful and multiply." | Jan 06 13:08 |
| fewa | Ibn Khaldoun, a famous North African Arab polymath (1332-1406), considered population changes to be connected to economic development, linking high birth rates and low death rates to times of economic upswing, and low birth rates and high death rates to economic downswing. Khaldoun concluded that high population density rather than high absolute population numbers were desirable to achieve more efficient division of labour and cheap administration.[ | Jan 06 13:08 |
| fewa | 7] | Jan 06 13:08 |
| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2010/01/studios-flesh-out-dece-universal-video-drm-formats.ars Great another DRM system. | Jan 06 13:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Studios flesh out DECE universal video, DRM formats .::. Size~: 35.64 KB | Jan 06 13:08 |
| fewa | Malthus was so bludgeoned by the infinite growth dogmatics | Jan 06 13:09 |
| kecskebak | http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16785 | Jan 06 13:12 |
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| fewa | cap and trade doesn't work | Jan 06 13:12 |
| fewa | http://www.cheatneutral.com/ | Jan 06 13:13 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: CheatNeutral .::. Size~: 4.17 KB | Jan 06 13:13 |
| fewa | ^ makes it obvious | Jan 06 13:13 |
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| jose_X | hey, schestowitz.. are people able to comment through the proxy? | Jan 06 13:14 |
| fewa | http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/162/3859/1243 | Jan 06 13:15 |
| fewa | makes a fool out of the lying economists of the last few decades | Jan 06 13:16 |
| fewa | the time of troubles coming has been understood for decades | Jan 06 13:16 |
| kecskebak | Michael Hudson predicted the crash decades ago | Jan 06 13:17 |
| kecskebak | As did Fred Harrison | Jan 06 13:17 |
| kecskebak | The economic historians have seen this all before twice | Jan 06 13:17 |
| fewa | Hubbart | Jan 06 13:17 |
| fewa | predicted the 70s crash as well | Jan 06 13:17 |
| fewa | this is going to be a large-scale vers70s crash | Jan 06 13:17 |
| kecskebak | It's the idiot post Chicago School school economics who replaced ecomonic history with junk maths that didn't | Jan 06 13:18 |
| kecskebak | In fact, my Dad predicted it in 1983 and he's got a degree in economics from the Open University | Jan 06 13:18 |
| fewa | it is complete indifference by those in charge that has let it happen | Jan 06 13:18 |
| fewa | greed | Jan 06 13:18 |
| fewa | dogma | Jan 06 13:18 |
| kecskebak | Economic history was removed from the syllabus in university economic departments by way of grants from banks | Jan 06 13:19 |
| kecskebak | On purpose | Jan 06 13:19 |
| kecskebak | So that modern economics are a generation of useful idiots | Jan 06 13:19 |
| fewa | economics is more dogma than science | Jan 06 13:19 |
| kecskebak | No nothings but spout what the banks want them to spout | Jan 06 13:19 |
| fewa | *useless | Jan 06 13:19 |
| kecskebak | Without a knowledge of history economics is worthless | Jan 06 13:19 |
| fewa | at least in terms of actual work | Jan 06 13:19 |
| fewa | maybe useful to keeping the bastards in power | Jan 06 13:19 |
| kecskebak | http://www.michael-hudson.com/ | Jan 06 13:20 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Michael Hudson - financial economist and historian .::. Size~: 1.18 KB | Jan 06 13:20 |
| fewa | that essay above is from 1968 | Jan 06 13:20 |
| kecskebak | Loads of brilliant stuff there, by a PROPER economist | Jan 06 13:20 |
| kecskebak | One who advised the Icelanders not to go into debt peonage for generations to save Gordon Brown | Jan 06 13:21 |
| fewa | meh, i'm not that interested in money | Jan 06 13:21 |
| fewa | there was a reason usery was illegal | Jan 06 13:21 |
| kecskebak | Put one dollar down in Biblical times with compound interest, there wouldn't be enough atoms in the universe to make the gold to pay the interest. | Jan 06 13:22 |
| fewa | usery _is_ a derivitive | Jan 06 13:22 |
| fewa | people pretend it is not | Jan 06 13:22 |
| kecskebak | http://www.michael-hudson.com/articles/financial/070827CompoundInterestCrises.html | Jan 06 13:23 |
| kecskebak | That explains it really well | Jan 06 13:23 |
| fewa | well fiet currency | Jan 06 13:23 |
| fewa | that is differnt | Jan 06 13:23 |
| fewa | anyways, its a long way of doing absolutely nothing of use | Jan 06 13:23 |
| fewa | Other people advocating population control in the past were: Bertrand Russell, Margaret Sanger (1939), John D. Rockefeller, Frederick Osborn (1952), Isaac Asimov, Jacques Cousteau, ... | Jan 06 13:24 |
| kecskebak | Debt that can't be paid, eventually won't be | Jan 06 13:24 |
| fewa | from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_control | Jan 06 13:24 |
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| oiaohm | All theorys of compound interest demard people taking out lones of some form and having to pay back. | Jan 06 13:26 |
| oiaohm | People forget how many times in history has money started over blank. | Jan 06 13:26 |
| fewa | "Iran has succeeded in sharply reducing its birth rate in recent years. Iran is the only country where mandatory contraceptive courses are required for both males and females before a marriage license can be obtained. The government emphasizes the benefits of smaller families and the use of contraception.[41]" | Jan 06 13:27 |
| fewa | Iran is the sanest place in the middle east | Jan 06 13:28 |
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| oiaohm | China has the same backed up with brute force fewa | Jan 06 13:28 |
| fewa | oiaohm, of course | Jan 06 13:28 |
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| fewa | due to neccicity | Jan 06 13:28 |
| fewa | the Chinese have a history of having strong engineering of economic control | Jan 06 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly neccitity | Jan 06 13:29 |
| oiaohm | China hates being dependant on anyone else. | Jan 06 13:29 |
| fewa | otherwise there would be famine | Jan 06 13:29 |
| fewa | as people were having 5 kids | Jan 06 13:29 |
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| fewa | but medicine was rapidly bringing down infant mortality and dealth at childbirth | Jan 06 13:30 |
| oiaohm | China had two normal ways of dealing with the famine issue. | Jan 06 13:30 |
| oiaohm | One is allow internal fighting. What is quite effective. | Jan 06 13:30 |
| oiaohm | Other is just take goverment support to an area completely away. | Jan 06 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Neither would have stopped people important goods to solve lack of food problem. | Jan 06 13:31 |
| fewa | i'd rather there not be famine | Jan 06 13:31 |
| fewa | its one of the statements in the Tao Te Ching | Jan 06 13:31 |
| fewa | for what a little book that is | Jan 06 13:31 |
| oiaohm | So internal fighting it is. | Jan 06 13:32 |
| fewa | famine or war | Jan 06 13:32 |
| fewa | so unproductive | Jan 06 13:32 |
| oiaohm | War was a very effective poplutation control. | Jan 06 13:32 |
| fewa | but its a waste | Jan 06 13:32 |
| fewa | birth control is far superior | Jan 06 13:32 |
| oiaohm | There was a third but doing the third would kinda bring biq questions and problems today. | Jan 06 13:33 |
| fewa | genocide? | Jan 06 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Build a fleet of ships and send the execess poplution around the world. | Jan 06 13:33 |
| fewa | ahh | Jan 06 13:33 |
| fewa | that was reasonable when the world was not settled | Jan 06 13:33 |
| fewa | but now it is clear what is and isn't | Jan 06 13:33 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: can you not comment? | Jan 06 13:34 |
| jose_X | thanks for the links kecskebak and fewa | Jan 06 13:34 |
| fewa | jose_X, that Tragedy of the Commons essay is a classic | Jan 06 13:34 |
| oiaohm | You agree doing the thrid in this day and age even if they were friendly ships would get a lot of questions. fewa | Jan 06 13:34 |
| fewa | oiaohm, yes | Jan 06 13:34 |
| fewa | nd rightly so | Jan 06 13:34 |
| fewa | *and rightly so | Jan 06 13:34 |
| fewa | Europe did it for centuries | Jan 06 13:34 |
| fewa | to the "new world" | Jan 06 13:34 |
| fewa | but that is over | Jan 06 13:34 |
| fewa | until another plague hits, the world is settled | Jan 06 13:35 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, i was not able to log in (but password was accepted since mistyping it lead to a different page) | Jan 06 13:35 |
| oiaohm | We are starting to build floating cities fewa | Jan 06 13:35 |
| fewa | oiaohm, that is differn't | Jan 06 13:35 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Jan 06 13:35 |
| fewa | will it will raise new problems | Jan 06 13:35 |
| kecskebak | jose_X: Michael Hudson's site is fantastic - there are some great radio shows linked there. The Guns and Butter interviews are very good | Jan 06 13:35 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: yes, I have the same problem | Jan 06 13:35 |
| oiaohm | That is basically what the old huge china fleets were. | Jan 06 13:36 |
| fewa | but nk you can do it without oil | Jan 06 13:36 |
| fewa | *I don't | Jan 06 13:36 |
| fewa | will be quite difficult | Jan 06 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Remember the old china wood fleets did it with wind. But it would be tricky in this modern age. | Jan 06 13:36 |
| oiaohm | People have too much like for power. | Jan 06 13:36 |
| jose_X | fewa, i just hadn't read it.. and still haven't (i read a bit and saved the link) | Jan 06 13:37 |
| fewa | jose_X, its quite concise | Jan 06 13:37 |
| jose_X | kecskebak, i'll take a look at the site more | Jan 06 13:37 |
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| fewa | <schestowitz> Some profs here have no kids by choice | Jan 06 14:05 |
| fewa | its hard to make change that way | Jan 06 14:06 |
| fewa | population control is not a means to give more control to anybody | Jan 06 14:09 |
| fewa | it is to reduce sufferring | Jan 06 14:09 |
| fewa | and destruction of ecologies | Jan 06 14:10 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC News - Big chill to last two more weeks - :( http://tinyurl.com/yemth9u | Jan 06 14:11 | |
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| fewa | life-sustaining ecologies | Jan 06 14:11 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] One step closer to software patents in Europe, by ACT (Protecting Small Business Innovation, but also Microsoft´s ones): http://i5.be/afx | Jan 06 14:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Singles sales soar to record high - Of course this means "pirates" are sending them bankrupt......hmm http://tinyurl.com/yd57hzt | Jan 06 14:18 | |
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| fewa | it cabe implamented that way | Jan 06 14:24 |
| fewa | voluntary systems should also not be discounted | Jan 06 14:25 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: what's up? | Jan 06 14:29 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I'd rather have it disrupted in this way (no comments) than by having the site not serve pages at all | Jan 06 14:30 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure ho tessier uses the proxy to improve balance | Jan 06 14:30 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: why PM? | Jan 06 14:31 |
| jose_X | it was a test | Jan 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Ah, OK | Jan 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | I've been upset by all this recently | Jan 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Like 2 weeks now | Jan 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Site made unavailable, then manual work filtering the culprits | Jan 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | I could barely write new posts as a result, I rely on it being up | Jan 06 14:33 |
| schestowitz | I guess there's nothing preventing it from materialising, but it can be prevented once it happens, or at least mitigates somewhat | Jan 06 14:37 |
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| rgardler | anyone know why I cannot log in to comment on a blog article? | Jan 06 14:43 |
| rgardler | I've created username and recieved email - appears to let me log in but no comment facility | Jan 06 14:44 |
| jose_X | rgardler, apparently commenting is not working right now | Jan 06 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Heyy, rgardler | Jan 06 14:49 |
| schestowitz | It's not working after DNS change | Jan 06 14:49 |
| rgardler | That's a shame - I'll come back later - maybe | Jan 06 14:49 |
| schestowitz | I'll ask tessier for advice later. It's a tradeoff (falling offline or having semi-working site) | Jan 06 14:49 |
| rgardler | Yeah, no worries. I'm no stranger to technical problems | Jan 06 14:50 |
| schestowitz | The server (VM) has been up for over 4 months | Jan 06 14:50 |
| schestowitz | rgardler: this one is a rare issue | Jan 06 14:50 |
| schestowitz | We last had such issue many months ago | Jan 06 14:50 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, what is the name of the plugins you think are involved with managing users? | Jan 06 14:51 |
| jose_X | wp-userlogin? | Jan 06 14:51 |
| jose_X | maybe something related to access control or to commenting? | Jan 06 14:51 |
| jose_X | i'll look up the docs to see if I can spot something. | Jan 06 14:51 |
| schestowitz | I don't know | Jan 06 14:52 |
| schestowitz | I was baffled by it myself, I can only leave comments via the admin panel | Jan 06 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Same issue with the Wiki, I think | Jan 06 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Basically, all users share the same IP | Jan 06 14:53 |
| rgardler | thanks folks. I'll check back another time if I find the time. Keep up the good work. | Jan 06 14:54 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Man i hate this "saambaar" its every where in chennai :( , I badly need home food :| | Jan 06 14:58 | |
| jose_X | if I could read the source code, i might get a better idea of how they maintain state.. unique ip should not be necessary since each http request can include identifying information (eg, through cookie or other variables passed along the pages). | Jan 06 14:58 |
| jose_X | passed along the get or post). | Jan 06 14:59 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't go that low (in the stack) | Jan 06 15:01 |
| schestowitz | I mostly use in WordPress what comes in, as-is. I used to hack the code and lose my changes when new version came | Jan 06 15:01 |
| MinceR | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/01/05/2319256/Slovak-Police-Planted-Explosives-On-Air-Travelers?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29 | Jan 06 15:02 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Leads to Confidence in One's PC http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/linux-gives-me-confidence-36243 | Jan 06 15:03 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux No Harder to Use Than #Windows http://linux.bihlman.com/2010/01/05/rescue-a-broken-system-with-linux/ | Jan 06 15:04 | |
| schestowitz | Here comes another zombie spike: ""Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6" | Jan 06 15:05 |
| schestowitz | load average: 15.08, 5.53, 3.00 | Jan 06 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm... now I can't even block them | Jan 06 15:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of #Hulu Desktop for #GNU #Linux http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2010/01/05/hulu-desktop-for-linux/ | Jan 06 15:08 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another New Media Centre Application for #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/j5wk | Jan 06 15:08 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at K Desktop Environment in 2010 http://ur1.ca/j5wn http://ur1.ca/j5wo #kde | Jan 06 15:10 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Activity Journal Made More Shiny http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/01/gnome-activity-journal-looking-sexy/ | Jan 06 15:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Employee Speaks of "the Millions of #Fedora Fans" http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=2931 | Jan 06 15:12 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu Membership and #Benchmarks http://ur1.ca/j5ww http://ur1.ca/j5wx | Jan 06 15:13 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SimplyMEPIS 8.5 Steps Closer to Final Release http://www.mepis.org/node/14230 #mepis | Jan 06 15:14 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Phones Turn to Mod http://shanzai.com/index.php/bandit-gadgets/phones/585-video-dell-netbook-to-dell-phone-mod | Jan 06 15:16 | |
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| fewa | god damn this wasteul 24" lcd uses 65 watts | Jan 06 15:18 |
| fewa | the 17" uses 35 W | Jan 06 15:18 |
| fewa | while I have a netwook that uses only 10 total watts, DC | Jan 06 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Wookie! | Jan 06 15:19 |
| fewa | loo | Jan 06 15:19 |
| fewa | and its "Energy Star" | Jan 06 15:20 |
| fewa | lol | Jan 06 15:20 |
| fewa | at 65W | Jan 06 15:20 |
| fewa | wonder how efficient the LED ones are | Jan 06 15:21 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Gains in #Mobile , Challenges the HypePhone http://ur1.ca/j5y0 http://ur1.ca/j5y1 | Jan 06 15:26 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #EReaders Run #Linux (Android) http://ur1.ca/j5y6 http://ur1.ca/j5y7 | Jan 06 15:28 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Good Reception for Google's #Linux (Android) #Phone http://www.junauza.com/2010/01/google-phone-nexus-one-is-finally-here.html | Jan 06 15:29 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Desperation for Payments in Developing World Helps #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/j5yk | Jan 06 15:31 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Misconceptions About the #GNU System Addressed http://ur1.ca/j5z0 http://ur1.ca/j5z1 | Jan 06 15:35 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Censorship /Abuse Against Blogger http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/05/war-blogger-michael.html | Jan 06 15:37 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Talks about #ACTA , British Government Criticises Its Secrecy http://ur1.ca/j5zr http://ur1.ca/j5zs. | Jan 06 15:44 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cable TV Fights the #Internet http://techdirt.com/articles/20100104/1424377595.shtml | Jan 06 15:45 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Finnish Label Stages Protests Against File Sharers While Sales Soar http://ur1.ca/j609 http://ur1.ca/j60a | Jan 06 15:48 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] We could solve all this #gnu / #linux naming thing by merging them together as Boris. From now on, GNU/Linux shall be known as Boris ;) | Jan 06 15:52 | |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: I'm not sure if it's good news | Jan 06 15:54 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb BorisOS? | Jan 06 15:54 | |
| schestowitz | They also pay the extortionist for ActiveSync | Jan 06 15:54 |
| trmanco | I like it | Jan 06 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: is it possible to make cookies be handles by the proxy? | Jan 06 16:07 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I note my sarcastic peacemaking on the #gnu / #linux flame war got a reaction. Note the ;) at the end? The ent edition could be MrJohnson ;) | Jan 06 16:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Front Group (ACT) Pleased to See #Europe 's #Patent System Subverted in Microsoft's Favour http://ur1.ca/j62m | Jan 06 16:20 | |
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| jose_X | schestowitz, I would guess at this point that the proxy is somehow dropping the cookies being sent in my http GET | Jan 06 16:23 |
| jose_X | I was using wireshark to capture.. | Jan 06 16:24 |
| jose_X | and after I sent the GET request with cookie values set (these cookies appear to hold all my user info).. | Jan 06 16:24 |
| jose_X | ok, i have to think this through (from what i can remember about the cookie proto) | Jan 06 16:25 |
| jose_X | anyway, it does appear that the proper cookies are being sent.. let me try something... | Jan 06 16:25 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] it's debates like this that remind me the only people actually who care about this are the #gnu people, usually reignited by the GNU people | Jan 06 16:26 | |
| schestowitz | jose_X: I can't use the Wiki, either | Jan 06 16:39 |
| schestowitz | It needs cookies | Jan 06 16:39 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Thousands of Italians May Sue #Microsoft for Forcing Them to Buy #Windows http://ur1.ca/j646 | Jan 06 16:39 | |
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| schestowitz | It's hard to compose posts too | Jan 06 16:39 |
| schestowitz | I can't quite get fast access to prior posts | Jan 06 16:39 |
| schestowitz | And the DOS keeps occurring, though the proxy slows them down within like 2 minutes | Jan 06 16:40 |
| jose_X | http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/wiki/VarnishAndWordpress | Jan 06 16:41 |
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| jose_X | that page appears to want you to drop cookies in order to handle high traffic. | Jan 06 16:44 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] British government will fight legal attempts to indict Israeli leaders in UK | World news | The Guardian http://tinyurl.com/yl2akzz | Jan 06 16:44 | |
| jose_X | look at the varnish configuration file (?) and see if you find a line to remove wp cookies as shown on that page. | Jan 06 16:45 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, it's possible (I'm still reading) that the page returned is a cached version. Now it's possible for varnish to return some parts from the cache and fill in missing bits (I think), but if.. | Jan 06 16:56 |
| jose_X | the page is essentially static, then regardless of cookies, you won't see any custom info | Jan 06 16:56 |
| jose_X | can you email me a copy of the varnish config file (if you think that would be safe).. if you want me to look at it.. | Jan 06 16:57 |
| jose_X | i'm reading this page now http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/wiki/Introduction | Jan 06 16:57 |
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| jose_X | schestowitz... | Jan 06 16:57 |
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| jose_X | /etc/varnish/default.vcl this might be the config file (I'm looking for the name).. | Jan 06 17:06 |
| jose_X | see http://plone.lucidsolutions.co.nz/web/reverseproxyandcache/installing-varnish-web-cache-on-a-centos-5-vm for some notes on installation if you want | Jan 06 17:06 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: A plone full of stuff... — Lucid Solutions .::. Size~: 15.56 KB | Jan 06 17:06 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] @thistleweb it also don't help being told by "freedom" crusaders that we're NOT free to use "linux" that we must use "gnu/linux" | Jan 06 17:13 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Might Embrace and Extend #SVG http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/06/denial-of-service-update/ | Jan 06 17:15 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: IDG: “Businesses That Dumped Microsoft”, “Microsoft is Ruining Smartphones and Tablets for Everyone” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 94.06 KB | Jan 06 17:15 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Might Embrace and Extend http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/06/svg-microsoft/ | Jan 06 17:17 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Microsoft Might Embrace and Extend SVG | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 92.62 KB | Jan 06 17:17 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, I also came across this: http://interfacelab.com/nginx-php-fpm-apc-awesome/ | Jan 06 17:18 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: NGINX + PHP-FPM + APC = Awesome .::. Size~: 35.47 KB | Jan 06 17:18 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Double-atomic survivor dies http://ur1.ca/j679 #science | Jan 06 17:28 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Apple intentionally leaks news, and everyone already knew this http://ur1.ca/j67q #douchebags | Jan 06 17:28 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Sagittarius A* (our local supermassive blackhole) won't eat us... yet http://ur1.ca/j67y #science | Jan 06 17:28 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Double-atomic survivor dies Boing Boing .::. Size~: 39.77 KB | Jan 06 17:28 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Apple Story | How Apple Orchestrates Controlled Leaks, and Why .::. Size~: 148.41 KB | Jan 06 17:28 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slashdot Science Story | Giant Black Hole At Milky Way's Core Stays Slim .::. Size~: 100.71 KB | Jan 06 17:28 |
| schestowitz | "In 2004, 500 cases of cancer were diagnosed there. That figure rose to almost 1,000 two years later. By 2008, the number of cases had increased sevenfold to 7,000." http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/insideiraq/2010/01/20101371048370420.html | Jan 06 17:43 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: I have no access to Varnish | Jan 06 17:44 |
| jose_X | ok | Jan 06 17:44 |
| schestowitz | tessier runs the proxy server alone | Jan 06 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Assassin shot in cartoonist's home has links to al-Qaida, say police http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/03/kurt-westergaard-cartoon-muhammad-denmark | Jan 06 17:46 |
| schestowitz | RMS: "That's religion for you." | Jan 06 17:46 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Laws Written By Foreign Influence? | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yfdrm93 | Jan 06 17:52 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Laws Written By Foreign Influence? | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 14.56 KB | Jan 06 17:52 |
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| schestowitz | Any sign of Google in this company? http://www.changewaveresearch.com/team/ | Jan 06 17:59 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: The ChangeWave Research Team .::. Size~: 7.44 KB | Jan 06 17:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.chinasmack.com/pictures/unseen-2009-chinese-news-photographs/ | Jan 06 18:02 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Unseen 2009 China News In Photographs | chinaSMACK .::. Size~: 210.4 KB | Jan 06 18:02 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/06/slovakian_electrician/ | Jan 06 18:26 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Slovakian flies to Dublin with 90 grams of explosive • The Register .::. Size~: 25.7 KB | Jan 06 18:26 |
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| DaemonFC | Chris Dodd is leaving the Senate | Jan 06 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | he was more on the payroll of all the banks that were bailed out than most of them, good riddance | Jan 06 18:32 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @lutzgh @rent0n Just because something is common doesn't make it correct. #gnu #fsf | Jan 06 18:32 | |
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| Omar87 | Hi all. | Jan 06 18:46 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, when you speak with tessier, point to this thread on irc.. specifically, ask about the varnish config file to see if it has a section where you do "unset req.http.cookie" perhaps within a section named vcl_recv | Jan 06 18:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.olpcnews.com/people/negroponte/insane_prices_everything_must.html | Jan 06 18:46 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Insane XO prices!!! Every Laptop must go!! - OLPC News .::. Size~: 73.37 KB | Jan 06 18:47 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: yes, will do | Jan 06 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: wb | Jan 06 18:47 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: thanks. | Jan 06 18:47 |
| jose_X | wordpress might be dropping the cookie i sent (with my username/passwd hash) | Jan 06 18:47 |
| jose_X | ooops: varnish might be dropping the cookie so that wordpress doesn't get it and sends a page as if I was not logged in. | Jan 06 18:48 |
| schestowitz | http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=252 | Jan 06 18:48 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Virtual Darpa Grand Challenge slide deck « keithcu.com .::. Size~: 14.5 KB | Jan 06 18:48 |
| jose_X | so "varnish" not "wordpress" is the fix | Jan 06 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: your mate ^ | Jan 06 18:49 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: it's not WOrdPress | Jan 06 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Media Wiki too | Jan 06 18:49 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: my mate? | Jan 06 18:49 |
| schestowitz | I joke | Jan 06 18:49 |
| jose_X | ok so varnish might be set to drop cookies from all of these | Jan 06 18:49 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I didn't get it. :) | Jan 06 18:49 |
| schestowitz | He's from Microsoft | Jan 06 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Now promoting Linux | Jan 06 18:50 |
| schestowitz | He seems like no fake, he's really interested in FOSS now | Jan 06 18:50 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: who is he? | Jan 06 18:53 |
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| jose_X | nice slide show | Jan 06 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: you talked about him befoe | Jan 06 18:54 |
| schestowitz | *before | Jan 06 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/epic-fail-roommate-fail.jpg | Jan 06 18:55 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 06 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Jan 06 18:55 |
| Omar87 | umm.. I can't seem to remember. | Jan 06 18:55 |
| schestowitz | He wrote an electronic book on FOSS... and used to work for Microsoft | Jan 06 18:58 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, you submitted an article about him to FS Daily | Jan 06 18:58 |
| Omar87 | Keith Kurtis? | Jan 06 18:59 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Yours? | Jan 06 18:59 |
| schestowitz | You sell? | Jan 06 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | Nope | Jan 06 18:59 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Jan 06 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | I would murder whoever did that to my TV though | Jan 06 18:59 |
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| DaemonFC | and buy a new one with their check card retrieved from the corpse | Jan 06 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/epic-fail-kosher-fail.jpg | Jan 06 19:03 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 06 19:03 |
| trmanco | :O | Jan 06 19:05 |
| trmanco | kmail has a 2010 bug? | Jan 06 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Has it? | Jan 06 19:05 |
| schestowitz | None that I've heard of. | Jan 06 19:05 |
| schestowitz | SPamAssassin though kills some real mail | Jan 06 19:06 |
| trmanco | no | Jan 06 19:06 |
| trmanco | false alarm | Jan 06 19:06 |
| schestowitz | My mom sent me a "happy new year" twice and I didn't get any | Jan 06 19:06 |
| trmanco | I had some "unknown" dated emails :S | Jan 06 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | Seamonkey ftw | Jan 06 19:06 |
| pawel_121_ | trmanco, what's the 2010 bug? | Jan 06 19:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: superstition | Jan 06 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | KDE is lulzy like that | Jan 06 19:07 |
| schestowitz | We eat almost everything except humans I guess | Jan 06 19:07 |
| schestowitz | And religious Jewish people pretend there is something "filthy" about pigs | Jan 06 19:07 |
| trmanco | I though it wasn't recognizing emails dated from 2010, putting an unknown date on them... everything is good now | Jan 06 19:07 |
| schestowitz | If that's the case, should not PIGS be eaten (for life of less worth on pigs)? | Jan 06 19:08 |
| trmanco | since I moved my stuff from mbox to maildir, kmail has been acting weird | Jan 06 19:08 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I use THunderBrowse | Jan 06 19:08 |
| pawel_121_ | trmanco, ok, good to hear :) | Jan 06 19:08 |
| schestowitz | The Mozilla family is great | Jan 06 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | "We'll include a browser that sucks so you can go get a new browser, a mail client that sucks so you can go get a new mail client, a torrent client that sucks so you can go get a new torrent client, an RSS reader that's not integrated into the browser or mail client so you can say omgwtfbbq...." | Jan 06 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | it goes on | Jan 06 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Gecko has all sorts of forms it comes in | Jan 06 19:08 |
| pawel_121_ | DaemonFC, you're talking about KDE apps? | Jan 06 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Konqueror is very fast here, but lacks support in some areas (not the browser, the sites) | Jan 06 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | oh, and a "wallet" that makes you type your password in so you don't have to type your password in | Jan 06 19:09 |
| trmanco | konq is slow | Jan 06 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | isn't that just nifty? | Jan 06 19:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's a great feature | Jan 06 19:09 |
| schestowitz | I love it and it's new in KDE4 for all I know | Jan 06 19:09 |
| trmanco | that's a good thing when you have a ton of passwords | Jan 06 19:10 |
| pawel_121_ | I found KDE apps to be far better then others. feature rich and fast | Jan 06 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Wallet didn't do quite as much before | Jan 06 19:10 |
| schestowitz | But Amarok too wants my password, which I thought was odd | Jan 06 19:10 |
| trmanco | pawel_121_: indeed | Jan 06 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | trmanco: People don't tend to use a lot of passwords | Jan 06 19:10 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it launches fast | Jan 06 19:10 |
| pawel_121_ | however, kwallet is quite annoying imho ;> | Jan 06 19:10 |
| trmanco | DaemonFC: that depends, you see, I do :-P | Jan 06 19:10 |
| schestowitz | My Firefox is made fat by too many plguins | Jan 06 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | you could just encrypt your /home and store everything in plain text with each program | Jan 06 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 06 19:11 |
| trmanco | lol | Jan 06 19:11 |
| pawel_121_ | I'd prefer Firefox way of storing passwords in this case | Jan 06 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | if you're that worried about the FBI busting down your door | Jan 06 19:11 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no good | Jan 06 19:11 |
| schestowitz | You assume the machine cannot be cracked over the network | Jan 06 19:11 |
| trmanco | no FBI around here :-P | Jan 06 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | well, look at it this way | Jan 06 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | the FBI could just ask Microsoft or Google for all your passwords | Jan 06 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | don't even have to raid your home and you'll never know they took anything | Jan 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | There's this plot developing that Google was established to help the US govt. | Jan 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | I find that funny | Jan 06 19:12 |
| trmanco | pff | Jan 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | It does help the government, but it wasn't created to be that way | Jan 06 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt it, but it maks sense that they want you to store all your documents "in the cloud" | Jan 06 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | easier for the government to get them | Jan 06 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Of course | Jan 06 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Fog | Jan 06 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Not cloud :-) | Jan 06 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Would you put your data in something called "Fog"? | Jan 06 19:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: rather, _without user's knowledge_ | Jan 06 19:13 |
| schestowitz | !google fbi cipav | Jan 06 19:14 |
| phIRCe-local | [1] - FBI CIPAV Spyware Snaring Extortionists and Hackers for Years | http://www.cgisecurity.com/2009/04/fbi-cipav-spyware-snaring-extortionists-and-hackers-for-years.html | Jan 06 19:14 |
| phIRCe-local | [2] - FBI, CIPAV, and the Windows Back Doors Revisited | Boycott Novell | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/21/cipav-and-microsoft-windows/ | Jan 06 19:14 |
| phIRCe-local | [3] - FBI Spyware: How Does the CIPAV Work? — UPDATE | Threat Level ... | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/07/fbi-spyware-how/ | Jan 06 19:14 |
| phIRCe-local | [4] - FAQ: What we know (now) about the FBI's CIPAV spyware | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do%3Fcommand%3DviewArticleBasic%26articleId%3D9028298 | Jan 06 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Using Google Apps instead of an office suite on your PC means the government can just sidestep all that "fourth amendment crap" and take whatever they want without beating down your door and seizing your PC | Jan 06 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | MS Office Live has the same problem | Jan 06 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | You'll _never_ see me using either of them | Jan 06 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | and logging out of GMAIL to use Google Search doesn't get rid of the tracking cookies GMAIL dumped on your hard disk | Jan 06 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | they're still indexing your searches and assigning them to your Google account | Jan 06 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | hell, if you delete the cookies, I'm sure they track you by your IP address | Jan 06 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | Youtube stores "LSOs" (flash cookies) which your browser never deletes | Jan 06 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | Google is one big "cloud spyware" outfit | Jan 06 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | Youtube sucks anyway "This video has been removed because an RIAA affiliate bitched that you could vaguely hear 11 seconds of a Phil Colins song from 1987 in the background" | Jan 06 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | "This account has been deleted for no reason other than enough people flagged it as 'offensive'" | Jan 06 19:20 |
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| DaemonFC | It's like, they let military recruitment propaganda stay on there forever, sanitized of all the bits that make war look like something you don't want to volunteer for. | Jan 06 19:21 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: can you do me a favor please? | Jan 06 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | Then they go and delete TheAmazingAthiest | Jan 06 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | They let the "Jesus is the reason for the season" crowd put up whatever they want | Jan 06 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | regardless of how offensive it is | Jan 06 19:23 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] For some reason I thought this was Sen Lott Dodd of the Trade Federation, but then I just watched the Clone Wars http://tinyurl.com/ylsb35l | Jan 06 19:30 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: BBC News - Key US Senator Chris Dodd will not seek re-election .::. Size~: 54.33 KB | Jan 06 19:30 |
| tessier | jose_X: You had some issue with the proxy/varnish? | Jan 06 19:32 |
| jose_X | can't comment on boycottnovell | Jan 06 19:32 |
| jose_X | schestowitz mentioned varnish | Jan 06 19:32 |
| jose_X | i read a bit and tested a bit and thought maybe varnish was dropping cookies. | Jan 06 19:32 |
| jose_X | not sure but had a little fun reading though.. | Jan 06 19:33 |
| tessier | schestowitz: The proxy is dropping most cookies to aid with cacheability. We can enable cookies in certain areas but then they would not get cached. | Jan 06 19:33 |
| tessier | Currently cookies are allowed on wp-login and wp-admin or something like that. | Jan 06 19:33 |
| jose_X | tessier, i did not read details but it seems varnish can cash parts of the webpage and not others | Jan 06 19:33 |
| tessier | The proxy is not yet caching /feed for some reason. That's a biggie. I am still investigating that one. | Jan 06 19:33 |
| jose_X | so really very little of a web page changes | Jan 06 19:33 |
| jose_X | oops: cache not cash | Jan 06 19:34 |
| jose_X | i verified that the http cookie header was sent after clicking on the login page (the action attribute of the form was to the actual bn page i was on before) | Jan 06 19:35 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[popey] Are you in the UK & enjoy good beer? Join us on the Beer Train! http://bit.ly/5KXJl6 | Jan 06 19:35 | |
| jose_X | but then i get a page back without the login info. | Jan 06 19:36 |
| jose_X | i do have the cookies (they were set properly by firefox) | Jan 06 19:36 |
| jose_X | maybe you need to allow cookies not just on wp-admin etc but also where the main pages are kept.. tessier | Jan 06 19:37 |
| jose_X | since it was the call to that main page where i think the cookies were dropped | Jan 06 19:38 |
| jose_X | can you drop cookies only during DDOS storms? | Jan 06 19:38 |
| jose_X | and them pick them back up when things calm down? | Jan 06 19:38 |
| tessier | jose_X: If I enable cookies every page gets generated from the backend and not cached. | Jan 06 19:38 |
| jose_X | things were like that before | Jan 06 19:38 |
| jose_X | can you disable automatically during storms only? | Jan 06 19:39 |
| tessier | jose_X: I would prefer to be able to cache everything most of the time. Even during normal times the load on the server is pretty high. | Jan 06 19:39 |
| jose_X | oh | Jan 06 19:39 |
| jose_X | that's right all traffic now goes through there | Jan 06 19:39 |
| tessier | MySQL chews up 100% of two whole cpus during normal operation. | Jan 06 19:39 |
| jose_X | there should be a simple way to get caching on certain requests but not others so that a comment can be posted. | Jan 06 19:46 |
| jose_X | most people don't post comments that frequently, but you do read a lot. | Jan 06 19:46 |
| jose_X | tessier, schestowitz | Jan 06 19:46 |
| tessier | Right. I'm working on that... | Jan 06 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: sure, what favour? | Jan 06 19:47 |
| schestowitz | tessier: thanks a lot | Jan 06 19:49 |
| schestowitz | BTW (in case you didn't read the discussion), those bombardments of requests still come sometimes | Jan 06 19:49 |
| schestowitz | After about 2 minutes they seem to be extinguished somehow | Jan 06 19:50 |
| jose_X | tessier, perhaps varnish can be made to always look at the cache and then when vcl_hit() gets called, check for a specific cookie which would indicate that comment is/is not in progress. Then pass to the backend or else send the cache. | Jan 06 19:50 |
| jose_X | ? | Jan 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | In the past I'd block the IPs | Jan 06 19:50 |
| jose_X | thanks tessier, btw | Jan 06 19:50 |
| tessier | Ah. I just realized I've been reloading the config on varnish incorrectly. | Jan 06 19:50 |
| jose_X | as schestowitz said, it's better to have read access than no access | Jan 06 19:50 |
| tessier | So none of the changes I have been making have been taking effect! | Jan 06 19:50 |
| jose_X | yikes | Jan 06 19:50 |
| jose_X | that plays havoc with your mind | Jan 06 19:51 |
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| tessier | Indeed. You don't want to restart varnish because then it loses the whole cache. You have to telnet to the management interface and tell it to load a new config. But then (and I didn't know this until just minutes ago) you have to run another command to actually make the new config take effect. | Jan 06 20:02 |
| tessier | It compiles and saves in memory every version of each config that gets loaded. | Jan 06 20:03 |
| tessier | So you can switch configs easily and not have to blow your whole cache by restarting. | Jan 06 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Is this a spammer? http://iffam.org/mytweets/index.php/allsports | Jan 06 20:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: allthatsports (allsports) - mytweets .::. Size~: 38.4 KB | Jan 06 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Seems to be hollering at strangers | Jan 06 20:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2010/01/giving_fsf_chie.html;jsessionid=S3AID4ZQEO25BQE1GHRSKHWATMY32JVN | Jan 06 20:08 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: InformationWeek.com .::. Size~: 86.64 KB | Jan 06 20:08 |
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| trmanco | http://tinyurl.com/ybt6bze | Jan 06 20:29 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: milton ontario - Google Maps .::. Size~: 111.69 KB | Jan 06 20:29 |
| schestowitz | You're there within a fortnight? | Jan 06 20:30 |
| trmanco | what do you mean? | Jan 06 20:30 |
| schestowitz | I never noticed that Google has added geotagged photos and videos | Jan 06 20:32 |
| trmanco | long time | Jan 06 20:32 |
| trmanco | that's where I'll be living | Jan 06 20:32 |
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| schestowitz | Great for you!! | Jan 06 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Don't forget to come by :-) | Jan 06 20:33 |
| trmanco | I will, maybe just not as often | Jan 06 20:34 |
| trmanco | my sister has good internet | Jan 06 20:34 |
| schestowitz | phIRCe might need babysitting (patching) | Jan 06 20:35 |
| trmanco | my brother-in-law uses it to play games and stuff on his ps3 :D | Jan 06 20:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bangkokpost.com/tech/technews/30560/a-better-software-suite "There is a version for Linux and a third option gives you a suite that operates on both Linux and Windows." | Jan 06 20:35 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: A 'better' software suite .::. Size~: 29.31 KB | Jan 06 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | Meh. Trying to steal OOo's thunder with blobs | Jan 06 20:35 |
| trmanco | I'll get back to it, when I'm settled or in college | Jan 06 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Or both | Jan 06 20:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/01/skype-4-2-beta-makes-hd-quality-video-calls/ "No word yet on a Mac (or Linux) release with HD calling yet..." | Jan 06 20:38 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Skype 4.2 Beta Makes HD-Quality Video Calls | Lifehacker Australia .::. Size~: 30.78 KB | Jan 06 20:38 |
| trmanco | they could start focusing on removing the beta label on linux | Jan 06 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | Arghhh....http://gaming.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=21789 | Jan 06 20:47 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: HEXUS.gaming - News :: PS3 hacked? : Page - 1/1 .::. Size~: 38.86 KB | Jan 06 20:47 |
| schestowitz | The stupidity of some people... second time in 3 days | Jan 06 20:48 |
| schestowitz | They think that Sony allowing homebrew is "hacked" | Jan 06 20:48 |
| schestowitz | And they also confuse this with XBox 360, which needed a particular game for buffer overflow | Jan 06 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Same thing with Android | Jan 06 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | nothing wrong with freeware | Jan 06 20:48 |
| schestowitz | GOOGLE ENCOURAGES rooting the thing if one wants | Jan 06 20:48 |
| schestowitz | it offers help | Jan 06 20:48 |
| schestowitz | And its shopm offers apps that require rooting | Jan 06 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Yet all those 'security' firms say it was "hacked" | Jan 06 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You can't trust buffer overflows in a video game as a way of installing software | Jan 06 20:49 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, that is what i originally wanted to comment about | Jan 06 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | the next console firmware update might close the hole and delete whatever you installed | Jan 06 20:49 |
| jose_X | talking "bad" about how android is hacked and people can do anything will come back to bite | Jan 06 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | they had Linux running on the XBOX 360 for a short time | Jan 06 20:50 |
| jose_X | (unless it was done on purpose) | Jan 06 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | the next firmware update not only patched the hole, but deleted Linux off your hard disk | Jan 06 20:50 |
| jose_X | a) it's encouraging to know you can control the device instead of it controlling you | Jan 06 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | buying a console, you should go into it expecting it to be a walled garden | Jan 06 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't like that, don't buy one | Jan 06 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | it's a heavily subsidized device made to run their software | Jan 06 20:52 |
| jose_X | b) eventually you realize everything is fine because the system is a system where opening it up is common place ???? not sure if i know details.. never mind | Jan 06 20:52 |
| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/368827/ | Jan 06 20:53 |
| phIRCe-local | Title: Linux 2.6.33-rc3 [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 25.26 KB | Jan 06 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | When Apple was selling systems as powerful as the hardware in the XBOX 360, they wanted about $3,000 for it and called it a Mac Pro | Jan 06 20:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: TOO heavily subsidised | Jan 06 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft loses BILLIONS | Jan 06 20:53 |
| schestowitz | $7 on Xbox | Jan 06 20:54 |
| schestowitz | $7bn on Xbox | Jan 06 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | now they use commodity PC hardware that would retail for maybe $900 if you put it together yourself | Jan 06 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | and that's the $3,500 Mac Pro | Jan 06 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Mac Pro is an oxymoron | Jan 06 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Like Microsoft Works | Jan 06 20:54 |
| schestowitz | If you use a Mac, you're probably not a pro | Jan 06 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | hell, even buying a system that powerful as a complete PC with Windows wouldn't run you past $1200 or so | Jan 06 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | Apple just takes the price of everything and triples it, and the only carrot on a stick luring you to the Apple store is OS X | Jan 06 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Yes, professional incompetence at finance required also | Jan 06 20:55 |
| jose_X | the idea appears to be to drive competitors out of the market to control the platform and gain the upper hand on game makers | Jan 06 20:55 |
| jose_X | then the dough rolls in | Jan 06 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | jose_X: Not the case really | Jan 06 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | Game makers usually port their games to anything that will make them money | Jan 06 20:56 |
| jose_X | exclusive deals require extra incentives | Jan 06 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | the line-up between Windows, XBOX 360, and PS3 is mostly identical | Jan 06 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | some of them even port to OS X | Jan 06 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | jose_X: Most exclusives are done in-house or by a subsidiary of the console maker | Jan 06 20:57 |
| jose_X | in the early days of the ps3 i had heard the xbox had a number of popular titles to itself or featured prominantly there | Jan 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | exclusives are there to "sweeten the deal" for "buying our box" | Jan 06 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | they typically make up about 5% of a console's line-up | Jan 06 20:58 |
| jose_X | in any case, high powered low price hardware that is locked is not a good move unless you win it all | Jan 06 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | Nintendo is the exception | Jan 06 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | more exclusives than Microsoft or Sony | Jan 06 20:58 |
| jose_X | nintendo spoiled the game for ms | Jan 06 20:58 |
| jose_X | efficient and fun | Jan 06 20:58 |
| jose_X | and lower priced | Jan 06 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they're outselling every other console now | Jan 06 20:58 |
| jose_X | someone posted a link last year or the year before about how nintendo/wii was one of those products that changes everything by not being the top product but doing something different that really catches everyone's attention | Jan 06 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | well, the XBOX 360/PS3 deal has been to resell you the same games you've played for 15 years now, with improved graphics | Jan 06 21:01 |
| jose_X | right.. that is the path the establishment takes.. until a wii comes along | Jan 06 21:02 |
| schestowitz | "On the SVG list, a couple of people leary of MS. if anything developes will let u know " | Jan 06 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's 15 years of games like "See those bad guys over there, yeah, the same Nazis you gunned down in our last game. Gun them down again" "That'll be $60 plus tax and online content" | Jan 06 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | People are all fixated on Call of Duty 4, which is the same as all the other Call of Duty games only it's not Nazis this time | Jan 06 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | and the graphics have improved 20% | Jan 06 21:04 |
| jose_X | people (playing games like that) like new story lines and action indulgence | Jan 06 21:05 |
| jose_X | there is a reason these sell | Jan 06 21:05 |
| jose_X | and the online networking is a big part of it | Jan 06 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | In my mind, buying upgraded versions of the same thing is like getting a new set of $500 hubcaps and a new coat of paint for the same car you already drive | Jan 06 21:05 |
| jose_X | that's much more common now i think (i haven't bought a console for a while so can't be sure) | Jan 06 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | the difference between them is superficial | Jan 06 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | jose_X: The online gameplay has turned into a crapfest of advertising | Jan 06 21:06 |
| tessier | Wordpress is sending: | Jan 06 21:06 |
| tessier | 15 ObjHeader c Expires: Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 GMT | Jan 06 21:06 |
| tessier | 15 ObjHeader c Cache-Control: no-cache, no-store, max-age=0, must-revalidate | Jan 06 21:06 |
| tessier | 15 ObjHeader c Pragma: no-cache | Jan 06 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | marketing | Jan 06 21:06 |
| tessier | on the front page. | Jan 06 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | everything from Mountain Dew to Barack Obama | Jan 06 21:06 |
| tessier | No wonder it isn't getting cached. That's not cool. | Jan 06 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | has a billboard in a video game | Jan 06 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | the $60 they made on you (plus the other $20 to buy the rest of the game on XBOX Live) just wasn't enough | Jan 06 21:07 |
| jose_X | schestowitz, did you get tessier message? | Jan 06 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | now they're renting your console out to advertisers | Jan 06 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | jose_X: I see advertising in video games as kind of like an added insult | Jan 06 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | another way to pimp you out, tell you that you may have bought the hardware, but it's not yours | Jan 06 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's like waking up one morning to find a construction crew out installing a massive billboard in your front lawn that eclipses your home | Jan 06 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | without you consenting or getting paid for the space they're using | Jan 06 21:09 |
| jose_X | websites do that too.. up to a point | Jan 06 21:10 |
| jose_X | it's funny well the way you put it | Jan 06 21:10 |
| jose_X | but if the real estate sells, people will sell on it | Jan 06 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | jose_X: Just imagine a 60 foot tall billboard in your lawn | Jan 06 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | "BUY AMP ENERGY DRINK!!!!!!" | Jan 06 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't you be pissed if you weren't compensated for that? | Jan 06 21:10 |
| jose_X | so add subsidize the machines, eh? | Jan 06 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | if they knocked $5 off a new game on the condition that there would be ads in it, I would not mind it | Jan 06 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | but the price is the same as before they got paid millions of dollars to do it | Jan 06 21:11 |
| tessier | BRAWNDO THE THIRST MUTILATOR | Jan 06 21:11 |
| tessier | It's got what plants crave | Jan 06 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | then what really pisses me off is that they use space on your hard drive to store their rotating ads | Jan 06 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | the proprietary external hard disk you had to buy for three times what that much space is worth | Jan 06 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | it really can be compared to someone stealing space on your lawn to plant a billboard | Jan 06 21:13 |
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| DaemonFC | you gt 10-20 games with ads being cached on your hard drive, they could east up a few hundred megs of your storage space | Jan 06 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | that wasn't free :) | Jan 06 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | thats after Microsoft sold 20 GB hard drives for $100 | Jan 06 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | then was all like "Oh no, that's never going to be enough! Buy this 120 GB driver for another $150!) | Jan 06 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | *drive | Jan 06 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | I remember the original XBOX being priced at $150 for the whole unit, with the hard drive being built in | Jan 06 21:16 |
| jose_X | the difference now is that microsoft can't squeeze people that much because of competition to some degree. | Jan 06 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | jose_X: People will buy it | Jan 06 21:17 |
| jose_X | i know what you are saying DaemonFC but if they charge and people pay.... | Jan 06 21:17 |
| jose_X | even now people pay | Jan 06 21:17 |
| jose_X | with a monopoly, prices for ads, games, etc, and hardware and monthly fees, etc all go up while quality goes down | Jan 06 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | jose_X: Remember that Chris Farley movie "Black Sheep" where David Spade said "Maybe if this guy bought a smaller TV, he could have afforded a couch with less urine in it."? | Jan 06 21:18 |
| jose_X | so it's actually probably fairly good now | Jan 06 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | maybe if people bought a few less XBOX accessories, they could get a couch with less urine in it | Jan 06 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 06 21:18 |
| jose_X | don't remember that part.. i guess i didn't see it all from beginning to end | Jan 06 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | people sacrifice needs for wants all the time | Jan 06 21:18 |
| jose_X | if i didn't see that scene i can imagine how it sounded (probably did see it though) | Jan 06 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | if you can smoke and have every game ever released for the XBOX 360, you could have been paying your rent, buying groceries, and maybe have some furniture too | Jan 06 21:19 |
| jose_X | :) | Jan 06 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | there's people that have no food and no car and no furniture | Jan 06 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | but they smoke and have every game and console ever made | Jan 06 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | and a 60" TV | Jan 06 21:20 |
| jose_X | priorities and addictions | Jan 06 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | My step sister came over one day when I was a teenager and lived with my mom and step-dad | Jan 06 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | asked for food | Jan 06 21:21 |
| jose_X | with enough demand, everyone else comes along for the ride.. i guess that is what bothers you a lot | Jan 06 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | I asked her why wasn't on food stamps, and why her husband was unemployed | Jan 06 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | "We're trying not to raise them on the system" | Jan 06 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | Me: I'd think that as much as the two of you go to jail, with the kind of example that sets for your kids, they might survive the trauma of being on food stamps. | Jan 06 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | and then I shut the door :) | Jan 06 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | saw nothing wrong with going to jail and begging her dad for groceries, but at the same time they smoke, drink, do pot | Jan 06 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | won't work | Jan 06 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | and food stamps are just like this scarlet letter after all this | Jan 06 21:23 |
| jose_X | it sounds backwards but everyone has ways to try and negate their weaknesses | Jan 06 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | her husband got out of prison right before they married | Jan 06 21:24 |
| jose_X | mental balance | Jan 06 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | some scam targeting old women and cheating them out of all their money | Jan 06 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | running fake businesses like a bunch of gypsies | Jan 06 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | take your money and the "work crew" never shows up again | Jan 06 21:25 |
| jose_X | i don't know | Jan 06 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | it amazes me how the extremely dishonest with no hope of ever changing manage to weave their way through the system | Jan 06 21:26 |
| jose_X | wish the daughter got better example as you said | Jan 06 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | while some guy that bought 4 packages of Sudafed gets nailed on drug charges | Jan 06 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | and taken away from his family | Jan 06 21:26 |
| jose_X | maybe they haven't gotten their catharsis moment yet | Jan 06 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | that family is a mess, her son is a child rapist | Jan 06 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | high school age now | Jan 06 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | I got called into the principal's office at my brother's school while she was in France | Jan 06 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | cause they were going to suspend him for telling all about this sick fuck that goes to school there now | Jan 06 21:28 |
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| DaemonFC_ | ugggh | Jan 06 21:29 |
| DaemonFC_ | anyway, I got called in, I told the principle "Not only is my brother not in any trouble at home for this, but I suspect that if one of your kids was a student here, you'd find a way to keep the child rapists out" | Jan 06 21:30 |
| DaemonFC_ | I went off on the guy for a good 5-10 minutes and he changed his mind about the 1 week suspension my brother was getting | Jan 06 21:31 |
| DaemonFC_ | turned it into a half hour detention | Jan 06 21:31 |
| DaemonFC_ | the nerve of those people though | Jan 06 21:31 |
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| DaemonFC | more worried about being politically correct towards everyone than making sure things are done fair or correctly | Jan 06 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | that's what's wrong with this country | Jan 06 21:33 |
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| DaemonFC | we have to be all sensitive to the criminals, make sure they have rights that should have been forfeit upon being convicted | Jan 06 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | but yeah, those are the people buying drugs and XBOX 360 crap while your tax dollars are hard at work feeding them and theirs, jose_X | Jan 06 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 06 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | Nothing too good for them while people that actually do find work are punished for bothering (high taxes and such) | Jan 06 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | that's why Microsoft ups its prices so much | Jan 06 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | people will obviously go without food before they go without a PC or an XBOX | Jan 06 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | people are brainwashed to putting wants before needs | Jan 06 21:37 |
| jose_X | there are too many people willing to exploit | Jan 06 21:37 |
| jose_X | it's a touchy issue on how to raise kids | Jan 06 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | I may have a video game console, and a PC, and a nice TV set, but it's not at the expense of food, clothes, and rent money | Jan 06 21:38 |
| jose_X | so i don't expect any time soon to see a sort of nanny there to watch over people that are more likely to falter | Jan 06 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | well, the problem is that people are capable of reproducing and then society has to take on the burden of however many kids drop out of them | Jan 06 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of those things that is taboo to talk about, cause it's not the kids fault, but you can't penalize the mother for opening her legs cause of the feminists | Jan 06 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of those problems you can't solve and have to throw more money at to suppress | Jan 06 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | but food stamps subsidize a lot of video game consoles and TV sales | Jan 06 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | while the kids go hungry anyway | Jan 06 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | if you see that kind of determination to own an XBOX 360 in spite of the effects on yourself or your kids, I think Microsoft feels confident when they raise prices | Jan 06 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | cause everyone will still pay it, rich or poor | Jan 06 21:41 |
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| tessier | That's just ignorance on the part of the general public. | Jan 06 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | it's not ignorance really | Jan 06 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's grooming | Jan 06 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | society is groomed by mass marketers from birth until death to believe they need products, even when they don't | Jan 06 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's like the $100-$200 blue jeans phenomena | Jan 06 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | nobody that wasn't made to feel like a piece of crap for *not owning* a pair of $100-$200 blue jeans would ever go buy one | Jan 06 21:47 |
| tessier | If all you know is what they tell you, that's ignorance. | Jan 06 21:47 |
| tessier | They just don't know that it is ok to not own a pair of $100 jeans | Jan 06 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's not just ignorance though, it's grooming | Jan 06 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | they're lowering your inhibitions to their bullshit through repeatedly wearing you down with advertisements | Jan 06 21:49 |
| jose_X | tessier, i think the following can be done in theory (ie, it may not happen here or i may have important details missing): | Jan 06 21:50 |
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| jose_X | from the request subroutine hook (in varnish config file), don't unset or remove cookies | Jan 06 21:51 |
| jose_X | but do a lookup | Jan 06 21:52 |
| jose_X | then from the vcl_hit subroutine test for a particular string (regexp) in req.http.Cookie | Jan 06 21:53 |
| jose_X | if you find it, then you pass (ie, to backend) otherwise you dispatch | Jan 06 21:53 |
| jose_X | this market cookie or cookie value would be set by javascript that wordpress would send out | Jan 06 21:54 |
| jose_X | the idea is to allow login and keep those cookies for a little while after login in only and then remove | Jan 06 21:54 |
| jose_X | this way most of the time that marker is not there and the cache value goes off, but for a short time after any login, the cookies headers are passed and everything works | Jan 06 21:55 |
| jose_X | after every comment submission, the cookies get wiped (so javascript would mark when the submit got clicked) | Jan 06 21:55 |
| jose_X | also i forgot to say.. if you dispatch instead of pass from within the hit subroutine, then you then unset/remove the cookies.. so you remove the cookies on the way out from the cache instead of right before entering the cache | Jan 06 21:56 |
| jose_X | i would think performance would be normal except that for a little while after a user logs in, the pages they access would not be cached | Jan 06 21:57 |
| jose_X | now, the remaining questions (and I know this is not likely to be implemented, but allow me to indulge).. | Jan 06 21:57 |
| jose_X | is precisely how to time out that marker once they log in. | Jan 06 21:57 |
| jose_X | for example, it's clear that after submitting a comment, we can log them out. | Jan 06 21:58 |
| jose_X | ...ok how about this.. | Jan 06 21:58 |
| jose_X | wordpress installs javascript on the login page. this javascript sets a cookie marker before doing a GET request with the user info and cookies. this cookie marker will always be tested by varnish on every request for boycottnovell | Jan 06 21:59 |
| jose_X | wordpress installs different javascript on every other page. this javascript unsets the cookie marker every time.. unless the person has just submitted a comment | Jan 06 22:00 |
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| MinceR | what if the visitor has disabled javascript? | Jan 06 22:01 |
| jose_X | MinceR: then no commenting | Jan 06 22:01 |
| jose_X | for now anyway... | Jan 06 22:01 |
| jose_X | Ok so the normal use path would be: | Jan 06 22:01 |
| MinceR | strange, i thought html forms didn't need javascript :> | Jan 06 22:01 |
| jose_X | user asks for a page from bn. at this point no marker is set unless they hacked something or had a leftover cookie somehow | Jan 06 22:02 |
| jose_X | they aren't supposed to have the marker. if they hacked, we allow it since it just means cache is avoided. if the cookie stayed by accident then it's a bug by us.. otherwise maybe their browser connection,etc crashed and it's not a big deal anyway | Jan 06 22:03 |
| jose_X | MinceR, this is a workaround to a problem with apparently no solution for now: to get commenting whlie avoiding high server load | Jan 06 22:04 |
| jose_X | ok, normal path flow continue: user now visits a different bn page from the first bn page. upon this request (a GET i imagine), javascript from that first bn page makes sure the cookie marker does not exist | Jan 06 22:05 |
| jose_X | varnish, just like for the first page, checks for the marker, doesn't find it and goes to the cache. | Jan 06 22:05 |
| jose_X | this continues for all pages | Jan 06 22:05 |
| jose_X | at some point, user wants to post a comment and goes to the login page | Jan 06 22:06 |
| jose_X | here javascript sets the cookie marker. when they return to the normal page, they are logged in because varnish allowed the pass through | Jan 06 22:06 |
| jose_X | btw, it might be better for varnish to just check for the marker from the request (rather than from the hit subroutine) | Jan 06 22:08 |
| jose_X | varnish allowed the pass through because javascript from the login page set the cookie marker | Jan 06 22:08 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] I'm confused with #gwibber, on mint 7 xfce it has the sane (I assume older) UI | Jan 06 22:08 | |
| jose_X | now when they next try to get a bn page, javascript would have removed the marker.. so what was the point | Jan 06 22:08 |
| jose_X | well if right after loging in their next request is a comment submit, then this would be the second time (in a row) that javascript would set/leave the marker.. | Jan 06 22:09 |
| schestowitz | tessier: | Jan 06 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | 216.105.40.123 - - [06/Jan/2010:14:08:32 -0800] "GET /2009/02/ HTTP/1.1" 200 146706 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;)" | Jan 06 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | 216.105.40.123 - - [06/Jan/2010:14:08:32 -0800] "GET /2009/11/ HTTP/1.1" 200 247699 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;)" | Jan 06 22:09 |
| schestowitz | 216.105.40.123 - - [06/Jan/2010:14:08:47 -0800] "GET /2008/05/ HTTP/1.1" 200 151135 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;)" | Jan 06 22:09 |
| schestowitz | 216.105.40.123 - - [06/Jan/2010:14:08:32 -0800] "GET /2009/08/ HTTP/1.1" 200 213044 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;)" | Jan 06 22:10 |
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| jose_X | without winding down | Jan 06 22:12 |
| schestowitz | The new setup dismantles the floods very quickly; I just wish those flood just stopped, though | Jan 06 22:17 |
| jose_X | yes, this is better than flooding.. but maybe we can bypass caching for a small time as a user tries to post a comment | Jan 06 22:17 |
| jose_X | well that was what i was thinking about | Jan 06 22:18 |
| jose_X | varnish seems like a good thing to have.. it seems that displaces squid, though i'm not sure | Jan 06 22:18 |
| jose_X | since someday i may manage actual servers, i enjoy these "problem solving" situations since it motivates me to learn some things for that rainy day | Jan 06 22:19 |
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| jose_X | There is a lot of pressure in free worlds.. to produce and relieve the suffering of the citizens | Jan 06 22:28 |
| jose_X | those who come through keep their (perhaps high paying) jobs.. and those that disappoint the voters (vote for office or $$ vote).. lose out | Jan 06 22:28 |
| jose_X | tough decisions and medicine can be more difficult to do than to give something even if it creates problems down the road | Jan 06 22:29 |
| jose_X | anyway, entertainment to a large degree keeps people subdued and distracted and that has some value to government/private companies and to users even if it's the easier way out | Jan 06 22:29 |
| jose_X | than the ideal situation | Jan 06 22:29 |
| jose_X | when it comes to linux, i see it as a way people are more likely to be empowered (disciplined) but you have to add sugar to grow the uptake in the first place | Jan 06 22:31 |
| fewa | jose_X, entertainment and a steady flow of consumer goods | Jan 06 22:31 |
| fewa | what do you mean by sugar? | Jan 06 22:31 |
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| jose_X | disciplined -> ie, motivated to self-discipline in order to gain something | Jan 06 22:31 |
| jose_X | sugar means to appeal to short-term human wants vs "good for you medicine" | Jan 06 22:32 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: more rights-ware, IMHO | Jan 06 22:32 |
| fewa | yes i understand that | Jan 06 22:32 |
| fewa | jose_X, well it helps that FOSS is superior | Jan 06 22:32 |
| jose_X | so a nice gui, ease of x or y, a distro set up to resolve some problem easily for the user tha tthe user wants solved or finds important/interesting... | Jan 06 22:32 |
| jose_X | that is sugar | Jan 06 22:33 |
| fewa | thats all I needed | Jan 06 22:33 |
| schestowitz | I know other people whose familiar with Linux led to other forms of enlightenment, mostly social | Jan 06 22:33 |
| fewa | superior and having a more promising future | Jan 06 22:33 |
| jose_X | right | Jan 06 22:33 |
| jose_X | transparent and empowering | Jan 06 22:33 |
| schestowitz | GNU was conceived with more than just software in mind | Jan 06 22:33 |
| fewa | the empowering cam after i started using it | Jan 06 22:33 |
| jose_X | inexpensive, customizable, etc. : empowering | Jan 06 22:33 |
| schestowitz | RMS foresaw a society that's made more divided by software | Jan 06 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Now we see he's right with DRM and kill switches | Jan 06 22:34 |
| schestowitz | He was not primary a computer person | Jan 06 22:34 |
| fewa | superiority and promising future was the reason I went for it | Jan 06 22:34 |
| jose_X | or if he was he understands the value in watching out and sees a need to be filled | Jan 06 22:34 |
| fewa | yes, RMS is right about kill switches, tivoization, DRM, and patents | Jan 06 22:34 |
| fewa | and copyrights | Jan 06 22:35 |
| jose_X | there are plenty of coders out there. getting them together would really help over just adding a few more lines of code to the pile.. well, everything helps... this is all about chiping in to help yourself and everyone else at the same time | Jan 06 22:35 |
| fewa | jose_X, its a sharing economy | Jan 06 22:35 |
| fewa | all you can do is assist | Jan 06 22:35 |
| jose_X | getting lots of backing makes effecting laws changes much easier | Jan 06 22:35 |
| jose_X | and having these open systems be supported in a profitable fashion | Jan 06 22:36 |
| jose_X | profit is like sugar | Jan 06 22:36 |
| fewa | meh | Jan 06 22:36 |
| fewa | drop the sugar | Jan 06 22:36 |
| jose_X | patents and this idea of owning thoughts belongs inthe trash bin | Jan 06 22:36 |
| fewa | go straight to it being better | Jan 06 22:36 |
| fewa | its like wikipedia | Jan 06 22:36 |
| fewa | its self evident | Jan 06 22:36 |
| jose_X | eg, if hardware makers see losses when it comes to linux, that doesn't help and actually hurts | Jan 06 22:37 |
| fewa | jose_X, it will destruct itsself | Jan 06 22:37 |
| fewa | just wait and see | Jan 06 22:37 |
| jose_X | if people see a way to make some money on windows but not on linux then linux suffers | Jan 06 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Sugar as in Sugar Labs? (Bander) | Jan 06 22:37 |
| schestowitz | *Bender | Jan 06 22:37 |
| jose_X | i'm not supporting this or that specific profit goal, but people need and WANT to eat and indulge | Jan 06 22:37 |
| fewa | jose_X, look at what the shills are doing | Jan 06 22:38 |
| fewa | they are no longer saying that you shouldn't switch to linux | Jan 06 22:38 |
| fewa | much more of the focus is on splitting it apart | Jan 06 22:38 |
| jose_X | no "sugar" is the word i was using to represent "appealing to want's" | Jan 06 22:38 |
| fewa | and etching out a private corner (ie mono) | Jan 06 22:38 |
| jose_X | well mono helps monopoly | Jan 06 22:38 |
| jose_X | letting linux become microsoft's toy is not good | Jan 06 22:39 |
| jose_X | i'm not after getting microsoft to see $$ in linux | Jan 06 22:39 |
| jose_X | i am after small business and users able to see value of all sorts | Jan 06 22:39 |
| fewa | I think more explination of the freedom, while talking "feeling the pain" of those with propritary software | Jan 06 22:39 |
| jose_X | the big co's can always take care of themselves | Jan 06 22:39 |
| fewa | is the most productive PR | Jan 06 22:39 |
| jose_X | and when they fail.. likely some big bucks were made along the way anyway | Jan 06 22:39 |
| fewa | i.e. don't get treated like a criminal | Jan 06 22:39 |
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| jose_X | i'm not saying no to that approach | Jan 06 22:40 |
| fewa | anyways, thats where i'm coming from | Jan 06 22:40 |
| jose_X | i'm saying that some people will ask bottom line type of questions: "what's in it for me" | Jan 06 22:40 |
| fewa | because there is no debate anymore | Jan 06 22:40 |
| jose_X | i'm saying to address that.. just what you are saying | Jan 06 22:40 |
| fewa | its obvious | Jan 06 22:40 |
| fewa | like britanica vs wikipedia | Jan 06 22:40 |
| jose_X | for some that will need to involve making $ to some degree | Jan 06 22:40 |
| jose_X | that's not to say all ways of making $$ should be promoted | Jan 06 22:41 |
| fewa | but people need to understand what they are getting | Jan 06 22:41 |
| jose_X | but if nothing is, the monopoly will be around for a while | Jan 06 22:41 |
| jose_X | learn while having a candy bar, for example | Jan 06 22:41 |
| jose_X | "candy bar" | Jan 06 22:41 |
| fewa | users need to be aware of their freedoms | Jan 06 22:41 |
| fewa | getting it printed is important | Jan 06 22:41 |
| fewa | when in physical stuff | Jan 06 22:41 |
| jose_X | experiencing is great way to learn | Jan 06 22:41 |
| jose_X | it's tangible | Jan 06 22:42 |
| jose_X | so engage people in ways where freedom plays an important role, but of course, from their pov, they are scratching their own particular itch at that moment | Jan 06 22:42 |
| jose_X | linux distros on a stick/cd/etc is a great vehicle for so much | Jan 06 22:43 |
| jose_X | a custom distro can allow for many needs that are not being addressed to be addressed | Jan 06 22:43 |
| jose_X | but to gain a real edge, the distro should not just focus on technology but on addressing "issues" that the people care about (things they want etc) | Jan 06 22:44 |
| jose_X | any issue addressed can gain from the linux freedom low cost, etc | Jan 06 22:44 |
| jose_X | low $$ is sugar, btw | Jan 06 22:44 |
| jose_X | so you give sugar and them make it easy for people to see the ways in which they can participate and the ways in which "freedom" is important to them | Jan 06 22:45 |
| jose_X | so opening the door and keeping it open long enough for them to find an attraction is what i mean | Jan 06 22:45 |
| jose_X | everyone has a different door they want opened | Jan 06 22:45 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Former #Microsoft Manager Advocates #GNU #Linux http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=252 | Jan 06 22:46 | |
| jose_X | in time, it will be so obvious to so many people that linux allows you to create solutions you never could before (or to find others where you can buy them at a competitive price) | Jan 06 22:46 |
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| jose_X | that keithcu.com slide show was good | Jan 06 22:46 |
| jose_X | having an ms person point out how the model moving forward into the next level is open development | Jan 06 22:47 |
| jose_X | a former ms person | Jan 06 22:47 |
| jose_X | economically and socially, it's the way forward they basically argue | Jan 06 22:48 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Booster/Apologist Gives Coverage to #GNU #Linux on the Desktop http://ur1.ca/j6vk | Jan 06 22:48 | |
| jose_X | using the example of cars that can drive themselves and how various research communities are currently working individually and not sharing | Jan 06 22:49 |
| jose_X | for no good reason | Jan 06 22:49 |
| jose_X | except ...ignorance basically perhaps | Jan 06 22:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] holy gosh, i have coworkers i actually like and stuff. About to form the queer staff association with one. Is this normal? | Jan 06 22:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #rTorrentWeb ( #GNU #Linux Application) Adds Web Interface http://ur1.ca/j6vr | Jan 06 22:49 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] today i was not bouncing and saying SNOW!!! i think I might be somewhat weary of skating to work. home tomorrow, wish i could be home friday | Jan 06 22:49 | |
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| jose_X | (ignorance theme comes up again) | Jan 06 22:49 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux #Server to the Rescue of Book Author http://bit.ly/7PHM1l | Jan 06 22:51 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fear Mongering Over #Google 's Growing Market with #GNU and #Linux http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=6519 | Jan 06 22:53 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux 2.6.33 ( #Kernel Space) Reaches Third Release Candidate http://lwn.net/Articles/368827/ | Jan 06 22:55 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Dropbox for #GNU #Linux, #Opera #SDK for Linux http://ur1.ca/j6we http://ur1.ca/j6wf | Jan 06 22:56 | |
| amarsh04 | at least one batch needed for radeon didn't make it into 2.6.33-rc3 | Jan 06 22:57 |
| amarsh04 | s/batch/patch/ | Jan 06 22:58 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Toorox #GNU #Linux Adds Support for #64bit Hardware http://toorox.de/index.php/en/news/1-latest-news/29-toorox-geht-64 | Jan 06 22:58 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Ubuntu Videocasts and Advocacy http://ur1.ca/j6wl http://ur1.ca/j6wm | Jan 06 23:00 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] someone close to dann needs to delete all his doba music files so he can't be tempted | Jan 06 23:06 | |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Linux -Powered E-Readers Appear at CES http://www.i4u.com/article29716.html | Jan 06 23:09 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hidden ( #Embedded ) #Linux Not So Hidden Anymore http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2010/01/05/2010-kicks-off-era-of-hidden-linux/ | Jan 06 23:11 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] First Experiences with the #Linux -powered #Tablet from #Lenovo http://ur1.ca/j6xq | Jan 06 23:12 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Parrot” Drone ( #Quadricopter ) Runs #Linux http://ur1.ca/j6xw http://ur1.ca/j6xx http://ur1.ca/j6xy | Jan 06 23:13 | |
| phIRCe-local | Title: iPhone Controlled Parrot Drone Is Cooler Than Its Name Suggests | Gizmodo Australia .::. Size~: 31.36 KB | Jan 06 23:13 |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Android Receives upport from #MIPS , to Reach Television Boxes http://ur1.ca/j6yd http://ur1.ca/j6ye | Jan 06 23:19 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free/Libre Media Centre ( #GNU #Linux Based) Adds QUERTY Remote Support http://ur1.ca/j6zi | Jan 06 23:32 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Global Achievement Award Given to Kenyan #Freesoftware Promoter http://ur1.ca/j6zm | Jan 06 23:33 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Reaches People Through #FreeSoftware on Windows http://ur1.ca/j6zp http://ur1.ca/j6zr | Jan 06 23:35 | |
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| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox 3.7 Adds Multicore Utilisation http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/06/firefox_3_7_speed/ | Jan 06 23:37 | |
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| _Goblin | I was left underwhelmed by FF's latest release.... | Jan 06 23:38 |
| _Goblin | performance wise IMO it can't touch Chromium | Jan 06 23:38 |
| -BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenAccess Gains Ground http://ur1.ca/j707 http://ur1.ca/j708 http://ur1.ca/j709 http://ur1.ca/j70b | Jan 06 23:39 | |
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| tessier | OpenStreetMap is brilliant. | Jan 06 23:39 |
| tessier | If only it would do turn by turn directions. | Jan 06 23:39 |
| tessier | I bet it will eventually. | Jan 06 23:40 |
| trmanco | ff3.7 heh | Jan 06 23:40 |
| trmanco | let me try a nightly build | Jan 06 23:40 |
| trmanco | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.3a1pre) Gecko/20100106 Minefield/3.7a1pre | Jan 06 23:42 |
| trmanco | wtf | Jan 06 23:43 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Voice of Duke Nukem confirms DNF might not be dead yet http://ur1.ca/j70d | Jan 06 23:43 | |
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| trmanco | it«s theme no integrates well with kde | Jan 06 23:43 |
| trmanco | :O | Jan 06 23:43 |
| trmanco | now* | Jan 06 23:43 |
| trmanco | is there any news on this? | Jan 06 23:43 |
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