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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 27th, 2010

oiaohmIf you know what is on the server no encrypted.Jan 27 00:00
oiaohmwhy do you need to break the stream.Jan 27 00:00
zoobabyou can get the IP address of the next hop, so whatJan 27 00:00
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oiaohmYou just need to know where the stream is going to find the user who put it there.Jan 27 00:00
oiaohmDon't need IP from inside encryption.Jan 27 00:00
zoobabyou can't, each hop is encrypted with a different keyJan 27 00:01
oiaohmIts not required.Jan 27 00:01
oiaohmEach send will have a time.Jan 27 00:01
oiaohmSomething you cannot hide.Jan 27 00:01
zoobabyou can add delayJan 27 00:01
zoobablike with mixmasterJan 27 00:02
oiaohmBut delay has to be verable.Jan 27 00:02
zoobabverable?Jan 27 00:02
MinceRvariableJan 27 00:02
oiaohmvariableJan 27 00:02
oiaohmAnd variable enough that with many samples it don't cancel out.Jan 27 00:03
zoobabyou can imagine a P2P file sharing software where your machine have a pool of encrypted swarmsJan 27 00:03
zoobaband you don't know what you are restransmitingJan 27 00:03
MinceRfreenet, for exampleJan 27 00:03
zoobabyes; but much simplerJan 27 00:03
oiaohmWhat basically means no matter who you are every system has a limited number number of packets you can send before you are exposed.Jan 27 00:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] as if Haiti doesn't have enough probs, now the Scientologists are piling in: http://bit.ly/bUkJyiJan 27 00:03
oiaohmIf person looking for you has time data.Jan 27 00:04
phIRCe-BNcIf person looking for you has time data.Jan 27 00:04
oiaohmLOl botJan 27 00:04
oiaohmIts the time limit zoobab  You can try to trick it but it will fail.   The question is how much time will you buy.Jan 27 00:05
cubezzzis there any way to write long filenames on dvd?Jan 27 00:05
cubezzzk3b seems to always truncate down to 64 charsJan 27 00:05
Diablo-D3yesJan 27 00:05
Diablo-D3its not a k3b problemJan 27 00:05
Diablo-D3cubezzz: burn with the juliet+UDF optionJan 27 00:06
Diablo-D3its in k3b's options somewhereJan 27 00:06
cubezzzthere's a 103 char optionJan 27 00:07
Diablo-D3iso9660 limits you to 8.3 case insensitiveJan 27 00:07
Diablo-D3rock ridge extends it to 255, but ascii onlyJan 27 00:07
Diablo-D3cubezzz: thats for joliet btwJan 27 00:07
Diablo-D3joliet is supposed to be limited to 64 unicode characters, but 103 works on every system triedJan 27 00:08
cubezzzok that's goodJan 27 00:08
Diablo-D3UDF allows you to have two file systemsJan 27 00:08
Diablo-D3well, file system treesJan 27 00:08
Diablo-D3iso 9660 + extensions and then UDFJan 27 00:08
MinceRjoliet :>Jan 27 00:08
Diablo-D3MinceR: Im pretty sure microsoft was making a prison joke somewhereJan 27 00:08
cubezzzI find I need more that 64 chars most of the timeJan 27 00:09
MinceR64 chars in a filename or in a path?Jan 27 00:09
Diablo-D3full pathJan 27 00:09
Diablo-D3iirc anywaysJan 27 00:09
Diablo-D3cubezzz: btw, enable UDF supportJan 27 00:09
oiaohmfreenet is still traceable zoobab.  Uploading new content.  Cannot trace using old pre existing content because it becomes impossible to get a dependable path back to uploader due to too many echos.  Stuff is still time stamped in freenetJan 27 00:10
Diablo-D3cubezzz: I only author discs with combined iso9660+rock ridge+joliet and udfJan 27 00:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] So I am now accused of "anger" and regarding an MS employee as the enemy? Where do I say that? I think an article an quotes from polite.....Jan 27 00:10
Diablo-D3cubezzz: maximum compatibilityJan 27 00:10
cubezzzhmmmJan 27 00:11
cubezzzah, well probably full path yeahJan 27 00:11
cubezzzin this caseJan 27 00:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] conversations with MS employee's is in order. I wonder why this employee thinks they are any different?Jan 27 00:11
Diablo-D3cubezzz: k3b has the options for it to feed to growisofsJan 27 00:11
cubezzzyeah I'm using thatJan 27 00:12
schestowitz*LOL* HACKDOPIJan 27 00:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] What I don't like is being ignored. All they had to do was say "refer your points/q's to MS directly"Jan 27 00:12
cubezzza dvd player that could handle mkv would be nice thoughJan 27 00:13
oiaohmschestowitz: note earily with me the bot glichedJan 27 00:13
Diablo-D3cubezzz: mine canJan 27 00:13
Diablo-D3cubezzz: buy oppo branded stuff from now onJan 27 00:13
MinceRit keeps glitching that way from time to timeJan 27 00:13
cubezzzah, which model do you have?Jan 27 00:13
Diablo-D3cubezzz: no, I mean, oppo, as a company, supports tons of shitJan 27 00:13
MinceRprobably it mixes up incoming messages to parse with the resulting msg to send somewhereJan 27 00:13
Diablo-D3cubezzz: the dvd player I have (which they dont sell anymore) can do mpeg4 /w divx6 certification, several softsub types, and mkvJan 27 00:14
Diablo-D3plus other random shitJan 27 00:14
Diablo-D3does mp3s tooJan 27 00:14
Diablo-D3and sacd and dvd-audioJan 27 00:14
oiaohmBest system to remain annoymous is don't remain anywhere too long. zoobab so even if they trace you by the time they get there you are gone.Jan 27 00:14
Diablo-D3cubezzz: but obviously, if you buy something new, pick up one of their bluray playersJan 27 00:15
cubezzzhmmm, how much for blu-ray blanks I wonderJan 27 00:15
MinceRyou could also combine Mixminion with an email->web gatewayJan 27 00:15
Diablo-D3cubezzz: you dont need to burn blurays.... bluray players read DVDs tooJan 27 00:15
Diablo-D3or did you somehow miss thatJan 27 00:15
oiaohmHow are you defeating time.   MinceRJan 27 00:15
cubezzzno, I new that much thanks Diablo-D3 :)Jan 27 00:16
oiaohmHow you hiding the pattern in time of your actions MinceRJan 27 00:16
cubezzzI still wonder if the blanks have come down in priceJan 27 00:16
MinceRoiaohm: by the mixes introducing variable delays, mixing the order of messages to relay before it reaches the gatewayJan 27 00:16
Diablo-D3cubezzz: like $5 if you buy in large bulkJan 27 00:16
oiaohmAll you are doing is making it a little longer to trace MinceRJan 27 00:16
Diablo-D3cubezzz: I dont care until Taiyo Yuden starts shipping anyhowJan 27 00:16
oiaohmThe limit is always there MinceRJan 27 00:16
cubezzzI have the hdtv now so I guess a blu-ray is in the cardsJan 27 00:17
Diablo-D3cubezzz: yeah, I bought a bluray when I bought my TVJan 27 00:17
oiaohmTricking paterns in time is an extreamly hard thing todo MinceRJan 27 00:17
Diablo-D3cubezzz: it sucks Taiyo Yuden isnt selling bd-rs yetJan 27 00:17
MinceRoiaohm: not if i'm also generating other traffic and the web sites also get other trafficJan 27 00:18
oiaohmTime following works against all forms of delays.  Including  smail mail created delays MinceRJan 27 00:18
cubezzzI assume you worked out the price per gig on dvd vs blu-ray?Jan 27 00:18
MinceRbtw, not even the forum timestamp attack will work on a high-traffic forumJan 27 00:19
oiaohmMinceR: it was heavly tested against all forms of delays.Jan 27 00:19
MinceRmy request can be paired up with many posts then -- which one is mine?Jan 27 00:19
oiaohmBest way is if lets say server posts all messages for the day at once MinceRJan 27 00:19
oiaohmTime tracing can still work against that.Jan 27 00:20
MinceRhow?Jan 27 00:20
oiaohmEach day you post a message.Jan 27 00:20
cubezzza separate burner would be nice too come to think of itJan 27 00:20
oiaohmcompare messages sent on that day.Jan 27 00:20
oiaohmKeep on filtering out eveyrone who did not post a message that day.Jan 27 00:20
oiaohmSooner or latter you find the person you are looking for MinceRJan 27 00:21
Diablo-D3cubezzz: verbatim can go as low as $2.90 per disc, or 12 cents a gbJan 27 00:21
oiaohmThis is the power of time data even a small bit can bring you un done.Jan 27 00:21
Diablo-D3cubezzz: TY when they come out with theirs will be around the same priceJan 27 00:21
Diablo-D3cubezzz: thats in a 10 pack of discs, btwJan 27 00:21
oiaohmTo make time tracing not work you start talking some insane delays MinceR.Jan 27 00:22
MinceRoiaohm: what if the forum posts new messages every minute but with random delays of up to 24*60 cycles?Jan 27 00:23
oiaohmI just have to use a time filter with a larger window.  MinceRJan 27 00:23
oiaohmThen the delay.Jan 27 00:23
Diablo-D3cubezzz: in a 600 pack of TY DVD+R, its 7 cents a GBJan 27 00:23
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MinceRthe delay can bump the message from one window to the nextJan 27 00:23
cubezzzah so it's cheaper to use dvd+r Jan 27 00:24
Diablo-D3cubezzz: its about 8 cents in 100 packsJan 27 00:24
oiaohmThat delay has a fixed max size right MinceRJan 27 00:24
MinceRit seems you'd need a window that's at least 2x as big as the maximum delayJan 27 00:24
Diablo-D3cubezzz: and btw, go with dvd+r over dvd-r for quality reasonsJan 27 00:24
oiaohmSo as long as my window for compare is the max size.  MinceRJan 27 00:24
Diablo-D3cubezzz: yes, bluray has a premium, but thats not why you go with blurayJan 27 00:24
Diablo-D3cubezzz: its the data size thingJan 27 00:24
oiaohmSooner or latter target will filter out with enough messages MinceRJan 27 00:24
MinceRwell, it could have a distribution that allows for extreme delays with low probabilities, but i'm not sure if that's worth itJan 27 00:24
Diablo-D3cubezzz: single layer dvd+r over bd-r means 5 times more discsJan 27 00:24
Diablo-D3cubezzz: dl has too much of a price premium to be worth itJan 27 00:25
oiaohmThat is the problem once you start defeating time tracing.  You basically destroy it as a message system MinceRJan 27 00:25
oiaohmIe too much random lag to use as a message system MinceRJan 27 00:26
MinceRwhat if it randomly drops messages?Jan 27 00:26
Diablo-D3cubezzz: and btw, as I said, I wont switch to bluray until taiyo tuden starts producing bd-rsJan 27 00:27
oiaohmLosing data does make time tracing harder.  MinceRJan 27 00:27
oiaohmAgain that has the price of bandwidth.  MinceRJan 27 00:27
MinceRwhat if i send requests more often than i send messages? then the sender side will see "messages" all the time even if i'm not postingJan 27 00:27
cubezzzyeah there's no rushJan 27 00:27
MinceRsame with every other senderJan 27 00:27
cubezzzthis oppo stuff looks expensive thoughJan 27 00:27
MinceRafter all everyone is going to use the web for more than one thingJan 27 00:27
oiaohmBy you sending junk it makes time tracing quesiton if or if you are the target.  MinceRJan 27 00:28
MinceRi don't understand thatJan 27 00:28
oiaohmThe junk data means time tracing takes longer to get a lock MinceRJan 27 00:28
oiaohmDoes not stop it from getting a lock MinceRJan 27 00:28
MinceRsure, well beyond the life expectancy of the universeJan 27 00:28
oiaohmNot really.Jan 27 00:28
oiaohmif everyone else has been filtered out and you are still the only one left.  Tracer can disregard the junk MinceRJan 27 00:29
MinceRimagine 256 participants sending several requests every day, some of those being messages to the forum, which posts new messages once every dayJan 27 00:29
MinceRthen you see a lot of requests going out with the occasional message appearing on the forumJan 27 00:29
oiaohmPeople get sick poeple miss days.   systems fails  MinceRJan 27 00:29
oiaohmThese all do create markers in a time trace MinceRJan 27 00:30
MinceR012557 < MinceR> sure, well beyond the life expectancy of the universeJan 27 00:30
oiaohmSo far the best system of avoid time trace only gives you 4 years MinceRJan 27 00:31
oiaohmAnd that is 1 month delays.Jan 27 00:31
MinceRif i run a node, that makes it even easier for me to hide my trafficJan 27 00:31
oiaohmRemember noise filters out against a time trace MinceRJan 27 00:32
oiaohmRunning a node makes very little difference.  It no different to sending junk packets.Jan 27 00:32
MinceRthat depends on the characteristics of the noiseJan 27 00:32
MinceRit is very different to sending junk packets, because it also involves receiving non-junk packets and forwarding themJan 27 00:33
MinceRnodes could also pass and drop junk packetsJan 27 00:33
oiaohmTo a time trace you forwarding non releated packacts to what is being traced that data is just junk data no wanted.Jan 27 00:33
MinceRthen you can't tell which node a packet comes from even if you're counting incoming and outgoing packetsJan 27 00:33
oiaohmOnly way you could use a node is that when you pick up a particular user sending you a packet send you packet off at the same time.Jan 27 00:34
oiaohmSo giving two possiable people for message.Jan 27 00:34
MinceRthat would be a good ideaJan 27 00:34
oiaohmNot 1.Jan 27 00:34
oiaohmBut the time trace would still say you are the possiable message sender.Jan 27 00:34
MinceRthen the next node could randomly pair it up with another packetJan 27 00:34
MinceRand so onJan 27 00:35
oiaohmcould not be random.Jan 27 00:35
oiaohmThat is the problem.Jan 27 00:35
MinceRwhy not?Jan 27 00:35
oiaohmTime trace is designed to filter against random.Jan 27 00:35
MinceRif the traffic is high enough, each node can be expected to be forwarding multiple messages at a give ntimeJan 27 00:35
MinceRthat's randomness in time, not randomness in association between messages.Jan 27 00:35
oiaohmOnly thing that can screw a time trace is not random.Jan 27 00:36
oiaohmBut then it still produces a list of possiables.Jan 27 00:36
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron_(hacker)Jan 27 00:36
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MinceRtime trace can filter out randomness in time, not other kinds of randomnessJan 27 00:36
oiaohmYou are not getting how it undoes you.Jan 27 00:37
MinceRor am i?Jan 27 00:37
oiaohmIe 1 person send packet today it get combinded with you.Jan 27 00:37
oiaohmTime trace knows that 1 person and you sent packet today.Jan 27 00:37
oiaohmSo if that 1 person does not send packet with you another.Jan 27 00:38
oiaohmHello split.Jan 27 00:38
oiaohmIf you are random it is simple for time data to be used to sort out who could and who could not.Jan 27 00:38
oiaohmRemoving random makes the process of spliting harder.Jan 27 00:39
oiaohmNever impossiable MinceRJan 27 00:39
oiaohmBasically if you want to see inside encryption is hard if you want to see who is talking to who it simple.Jan 27 00:40
oiaohmKinda important to know who is talking to who for attacking a country to work out the best repeating stations to take out.Jan 27 00:41
oiaohmTime tracing was design in world war two where would be the best places to bomb.Jan 27 00:41
oiaohmOther thing that can make it harder is if person doing the time trace does not know if you are 1 or many people using the same handle.  MinceRJan 27 00:43
MinceRindeedJan 27 00:44
oiaohmBasically shared handlesJan 27 00:44
oiaohmMoving aroundJan 27 00:44
oiaohmThey are the two most effect things against a time trace.Jan 27 00:44
oiaohmBut even moving around can come unstuck.Jan 27 00:44
MinceRif it's a public forum where i need anonymity, posts might as well appear completely anonymouslyJan 27 00:45
oiaohmProblem with tor is a lot of people make the stupid mistake of using a handel that is not annomousJan 27 00:45
oiaohmSo making a time trace functional simpler.Jan 27 00:45
oiaohmYet most people want to use a idenifitable handle so they can get trust for providing dependable information.Jan 27 00:47
oiaohmBasically time tracing has you walled in MinceRJan 27 00:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] As much as I would like to wait and see if I do indeed get an apology or retraction from the MS staff member, I have to go to bed. Its lateJan 27 00:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I will take this up again tomorrow. Good night all.Jan 27 00:48
oiaohmtime tracing is basically could this persons time of sent messages be the person I am possible looking for when compared to the time data of the messages wanting to know if they are the owner of.  MinceR.Jan 27 00:49
MinceRif the anonymizer network is good enough, it seems to basically burn down to whether someone could have sent a given message given when they had a connection at allJan 27 00:49
MinceRs/burn/boil/Jan 27 00:50
oiaohmThat is the problem tricking time tracing/comparing is basically impossiable to do 100 percent.Jan 27 00:51
oiaohmParticularly if the tracer can find out what kinds of delays the anonymizer network is adding.Jan 27 00:51
oiaohmThinking the tracer is normally allowed to use the network as well.Jan 27 00:51
oiaohmIts all time tracing is working out.  Could you have sent the messages.  Ie you normally need more than 1 message to lock down to a person MinceRJan 27 00:53
MinceRif some of the participants occasionally switch ISPs, that can make things a lot more difficultJan 27 00:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @aisforalexander @diablocody Travolta flew his 707 to Haiti with 6 tons of supplies // and a few tons of Scientologist missionariesJan 27 00:53
oiaohmIe moving.Jan 27 00:54
MinceR(say, if i sometimes use GPRS instead of cable)Jan 27 00:54
oiaohmFixed location makes time tracing faster.Jan 27 00:54
MinceR(not from the same physical location)Jan 27 00:54
oiaohmThe moving makes time tracing a lot harder.Jan 27 00:54
oiaohmIf you were always using different connections and never used the same connection twice.   A time trace normally would not be able to lock down.Jan 27 00:55
oiaohmBut most people don't have the resources todo that.Jan 27 00:56
MinceRgnJan 27 00:56
oiaohmEven worse is if I know that your phone and cable own to you MinceRJan 27 00:56
oiaohmSo changing them makes no difference.Jan 27 00:56
oiaohmIe all your data goes into one set to remove or focus on you.Jan 27 00:57
MinceRindeedJan 27 00:57
MinceRbut now i need sleepJan 27 00:57
MinceR(hm, sounds like a good reason for open wifi)Jan 27 00:58
schestowitzCan anyone recommend some online videos that are good? I'm getting sick of watching hours of lecture (biology, chemisty, atronomy...) Jan 27 01:02
schestowitzhere is one of the minds behind the meltdown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PaN9M4WwHwJan 27 01:02
schestowitzSome people still think that microkernels would be lighter, which is not true (message-passing bloat) http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/linux_performance_linux_slow_bloatedJan 27 01:07
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux performance: is Linux becoming just too slow and bloated?  .::. Size~: 49.91 KBJan 27 01:07
sebsebsebChrome 4 blah de blahJan 27 01:08
sebsebsebit's outJan 27 01:08
sebsebsebit's  better than Firefox apparantly it's fasterJan 27 01:09
schestowitzMinceR you'll like this one maybe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYQRzXd1UvQ another prophetic one about European Union and NAFTA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M5GK9Na8KU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFPsHPKY0y8&NR=1Jan 27 01:09
sebsebseboh and guess what  Mac and Linux versions still in developmetnJan 27 01:09
schestowitzNotice how Clintojn escapes the question...Jan 27 01:09
sebsebsebyeah just read about it since the Suse fan boy, well I like most of this guys articles, but yeah he likes Suse a lot.  http://blogs.computerworld.com/15480/chrome_4_king_of_the_web_browser_hillJan 27 01:09
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schestowitzsebsebseb: like GoogleJan 27 01:09
schestowitzIt's all betaJan 27 01:09
sebsebsebGoogle is over hypedJan 27 01:09
schestowitzBeta GoogleJan 27 01:09
schestowitzThey should be renamd BoogleJan 27 01:09
sebsebsebover hyped like Ubuntu really :DJan 27 01:09
schestowitzNoJan 27 01:10
schestowitzGoogle has many servers for searchJan 27 01:10
schestowitzSo they have extensive and pages indexed wellJan 27 01:10
schestowitzThey are simply better indexesJan 27 01:10
sebsebsebanyway Google being over hyped can work out for us sometimes, us as in opensource/freesoftware people, however  well take Android for example,  most of their customers won't really know what they are runningJan 27 01:10
schestowitzRefined by spying on users over the yearsJan 27 01:10
schestowitzDon't worrJan 27 01:10
sebsebsebsame for when that Chrome OS comes out later this year I expectJan 27 01:10
schestowitzMicrosoft will soon be able to spy on Ubuntu usersJan 27 01:10
schestowitzMicrosoft will data-mine and profile all those GNU/Linux users and what they search for (think)Jan 27 01:11
sebsebsebschestowitz: I am not followingJan 27 01:12
sebsebsebor  simpally I don't understand what your trying to sayJan 27 01:13
schestowitzThe Bong dealJan 27 01:14
sebsebsebBing deal?Jan 27 01:14
sebsebsebthat's  YahooJan 27 01:14
sebsebsebnot GoogleJan 27 01:14
sebsebsebYahoo will use Bing or whatever it wasJan 27 01:14
sebsebsebschestowitz: anyway better to support Firefox, Seamonkey, and Thunderbird, since they are the remains of Netscape,  which nearly died at the clutches of  nasty Internet Explorer Windows bundleing inJan 27 01:17
sebsebseband then AOL pulled the plug after a few versions based on MozillaJan 27 01:17
sebsebsebRIP NetscapeJan 27 01:18
schestowitzIntresting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ncLTFoTFa8Jan 27 01:23
schestowitzJan 2008 iircJan 27 01:23
schestowitzsebsebseb: I'm not talking about browsers thoughJan 27 01:24
schestowitzHaha. http://twitter.com/jonobacon/statuses/8252004851Jan 27 01:24
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Twitter / Jono Bacon: @schestowitz Untrue. Yahoo ... .::. Size~: 10.52 KBJan 27 01:24
schestowitzjono: truth is not a "conspiracy theory"Jan 27 01:25
schestowitzYahoo search will be offshored to Bong[sic]Jan 27 01:25
schestowitzThat's a factJan 27 01:25
schestowitzCOnpiracy?Jan 27 01:25
schestowitzSure.Jan 27 01:25
sebsebsebschestowitz: yes you were on about search I knowJan 27 01:25
schestowitzMicrosoft conspire with Bartz & partyJan 27 01:25
schestowitzTheory?Jan 27 01:25
schestowitzNo, it's confirmedJan 27 01:25
sebsebsebYahoo search going bye bye to be replaced by Bing Jan 27 01:25
schestowitzTHe EU has deadline for approval (due by Feb 09)Jan 27 01:25
sebsebsebhrmJan 27 01:25
sebsebsebwell I read something about that beforeJan 27 01:25
schestowitzsebsebseb: starting with the USJan 27 01:26
schestowitzBut they talk about expanding it /already/Jan 27 01:26
schestowitzYahoo won't have a reason to maintain it without the US userbaseJan 27 01:26
sebsebsebInternet is meant to belong to us the "user"Jan 27 01:26
sebsebseb,but the companies have taken it overJan 27 01:26
schestowitzYesJan 27 01:26
schestowitzNot quiteJan 27 01:26
schestowitzThe search isJan 27 01:26
schestowitzGatewaysJan 27 01:26
schestowitzEurope funded some Google rivalryJan 27 01:27
schestowitzIt was pretty much abandonedJan 27 01:27
schestowitzCause nothing was said about it in almost 2 yearsJan 27 01:27
schestowitzSearch is an indexerJan 27 01:27
schestowitzA bit like Web ArchiveJan 27 01:27
schestowitzIt's like giving ICANN authority to companiesJan 27 01:27
schestowitzI'm disappointed by jono publicly tying me to terms that are insulting  ("conspiracy theory")Jan 27 01:28
schestowitzI stated factsJan 27 01:29
cubezzzsome theories are correct :)Jan 27 01:31
schestowitzThis is not a theoryJan 27 01:31
schestowitzMicrosoft and Yahoo issued a press releaseJan 27 01:31
schestowitzAnyway, it was undiplomaticJan 27 01:32
schestowitzI'll write about the Yahoo! thing laterJan 27 01:32
sebsebsebschestowitz:  you seem to mainly focus on the negative side in your blog enteries, I haven't read manyJan 27 01:33
sebsebsebschestowitz: maybe you should do this one both sides,  positive and negativesJan 27 01:33
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/schestowitz/statuses/8259671913 "@jonobacon what I argue is factual, please don't resort to labels and namecalling. Also see http://ur1.ca/kqr9"Jan 27 01:34
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sebsebsebwhy it's a good thing for Yahoo, or why it might not be.  that kind of thingJan 27 01:34
schestowitzMicrosoft pays Yahoo! to pass over the requestsJan 27 01:34
schestowitzThe EU will be lobbies viciously to approveJan 27 01:34
schestowitzsebsebseb: of courseJan 27 01:34
schestowitzAs RMS puts it, we need to address the problemsJan 27 01:35
schestowitzI put in daily links things that do not need correctionJan 27 01:35
schestowitzTriumphJan 27 01:35
schestowitzSay you have a student...Jan 27 01:35
schestowitzDo you go through his/her work by saying how wonderfully x y and z was done or do you point out place for improvement?Jan 27 01:35
schestowitzThe perserverence in correction is a good signJan 27 01:35
schestowitzit means you careJan 27 01:35
schestowitzIt's when you stop correcting that you may have given up...Jan 27 01:36
sebsebsebschestowitz: also I like hemour in reading,  I tend to get that in Steven J. Vaghen nicholas's articles,  but  the ones I read of yours no not quiteJan 27 01:36
jonoschestowitz I apologized already for thatJan 27 01:36
schestowitzsebsebseb: yes, but it makes it look sarcasticJan 27 01:36
schestowitzGroklaw does that too sometimes... with simley faces and all..Jan 27 01:37
schestowitzIt looks informal and not as reliable, IMHOJan 27 01:37
schestowitzjono: no worries :-)Jan 27 01:37
sebsebsebschestowitz: depends on how it's done, but that SJVN  guy, well most of his articles are pretty goodJan 27 01:37
sebsebsebhe is my favourite Linux and that news authourJan 27 01:37
cubezzzIs it a conspiracy though :)Jan 27 01:37
schestowitzjono: it just seems like you try putting on me a label, but maybe I was presumpous to assume you did thisJan 27 01:38
schestowitzI'm very much pro-facts and against presumptous that lack any evidenceJan 27 01:38
schestowitzcubezzz: Yahoo and Microsoft - yesJan 27 01:38
schestowitzThey did conspireJan 27 01:38
schestowitzballmer and Bartz were reportedly chatting for monthsJan 27 01:39
schestowitzBartz demanded more privacyJan 27 01:39
jonoschestowitz I apologise, I never meant to infer thatJan 27 01:39
schestowitzMicrosoft also communiated with IcahnJan 27 01:39
schestowitzjono: the EU could still block the deal, but I doubt itJan 27 01:40
schestowitzThey might 'mitigate' itJan 27 01:40
cubezzzgoogle is pretty strong thoughJan 27 01:40
schestowitzLike they squeezed formal promises out of ORCLJan 27 01:40
sebsebsebschestowitz: well Google could do with some more competition  in searchJan 27 01:40
sebsebseb,butJan 27 01:40
sebsebsebwhat about Ask  and Lycos if they still exist?Jan 27 01:40
sebsebseband you know smaller search engines like thatJan 27 01:40
schestowitzsebsebseb: that's not the pointJan 27 01:40
schestowitzGoogle hosted Ubuntu conferencesJan 27 01:40
cubezzzaltavista is still aroundJan 27 01:40
schestowitzGoogle also contributes to LinuxJan 27 01:40
schestowitzWHat does Microsoft do?Jan 27 01:40
schestowitzIt spies on usersJan 27 01:40
schestowitzIt makes dossiersJan 27 01:41
sebsebsebcubezzz: I think someone told me before that altavista is owned by Yahoo now and has been for quite a whileJan 27 01:41
schestowitzIt attacks Linux companies with lawsuitsJan 27 01:41
sebsebsebcubezzz: or something like thatJan 27 01:41
schestowitzIt calls Linux cancer, etc etcJan 27 01:41
schestowitzLinux does not compete in searchJan 27 01:41
sebsebsebschestowitz: well Microsoft have contributed to the Linux kernel beforeJan 27 01:41
schestowitzSo the Google monopoly is less of a competitive issue _to Ubuntu_Jan 27 01:41
schestowitzsebsebseb: hahahah1Jan 27 01:42
schestowitzThey didn'tJan 27 01:42
schestowitzThey violated the GPLJan 27 01:42
schestowitzAnd they put a Trojan in LinuxJan 27 01:42
schestowitzA driver for their proprietary waresJan 27 01:42
sebsebseboh?Jan 27 01:42
schestowitzWhich favour Microsoft tax on LinuxJan 27 01:42
schestowitzRead Groklaw or BN about itJan 27 01:42
sebsebsebGoogle  privay issues and such,  but yeah they do stuff for open source as wellJan 27 01:42
schestowitzThe PR story (lie) was all differentJan 27 01:42
schestowitzSome gullible people swallowed itJan 27 01:42
cubezzzok, what is the main search engine after yahoo, bing and google then?Jan 27 01:42
schestowitzMicrosoft is still a marketing company, so......Jan 27 01:43
sebsebsebcubezzz: ask geeves?Jan 27 01:43
schestowitzANd Ramji.... that weasel.. he quitJan 27 01:43
sebsebsebask.comJan 27 01:43
schestowitzsebsebseb: ask Gavin :-)Jan 27 01:43
schestowitzJeevesJan 27 01:43
schestowitzJust Ask. They renamedJan 27 01:43
schestowitzI think they renamed againJan 27 01:43
sebsebsebhttp://www.ask.comJan 27 01:43
sebsebsebno bot again?Jan 27 01:44
cubezzzand baidu of courseJan 27 01:44
cubezzzI bet that is pretty bigJan 27 01:44
sebsebsebcubezzz: the chinese one?Jan 27 01:44
schestowitzcubezzz: in CHinaJan 27 01:44
schestowitzI think they have over 50%Jan 27 01:44
cubezzzyesJan 27 01:44
schestowitzMaybe just under 50%Jan 27 01:44
schestowitzIt changesJan 27 01:44
schestowitzBut we in the West ignore ChinaJan 27 01:45
sebsebsebYahoo what have they done for open sourcE?Jan 27 01:45
schestowitzThey are just "our manufacturing slaves"Jan 27 01:45
sebsebsebanything?Jan 27 01:45
schestowitzOnly they'll actually rule the world soonJan 27 01:45
schestowitzEastophobiaJan 27 01:45
schestowitzsebsebseb: a lotJan 27 01:45
schestowitzBSD, PHP being good exampleJan 27 01:45
schestowitzMicrosoft harms PHP and BSD among other things by attacking Yahoo!'s businessJan 27 01:46
schestowitzSince Feb 2008Jan 27 01:46
sebsebsebschestowitz: oh?  anyway if they done a lot for open source, why are  they making deals with what some would call "the software devil"Jan 27 01:46
schestowitzSo it's a two-way strikeJan 27 01:46
schestowitzZimba was passed to the criminal, MaritzJan 27 01:46
schestowitzsebsebseb: they didn't make the dealJan 27 01:46
schestowitzMicrosoft hijacked themJan 27 01:46
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_Hijack_of_YahooJan 27 01:46
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schestowitzMicrosoft did what's called "proxy wat"Jan 27 01:47
schestowitz*warJan 27 01:47
schestowitzIt filled Yahoo with its croniesJan 27 01:47
schestowitzIt's a manoeuvre done in politics tooJan 27 01:47
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ncLTFoTFa8Jan 27 01:47
schestowitzHere he speaks abut taking over the Republican party for exampleJan 27 01:47
schestowitzYahoo! slammed Microsoft as an "agitator"Jan 27 01:48
schestowitzhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7075698/China-to-lead-world-scientific-research-by-2020.htmlJan 27 01:48
schestowitzBaidu ftw?Jan 27 01:48
cubezzzmaybeJan 27 01:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @techdirt: Bev Stayart Sues Yahoo Again For Violating Her Privacy Rights http://dlvr.it/skKJan 27 01:50
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Bev Stayart Sues Yahoo Again For Violating Her Privacy Rights | Techdirt .::. Size~: 31.8 KBJan 27 01:50
schestowitzThe man responsible for corporate takeover of life (one among several): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl_qwo2VIlUJan 27 01:52
oiaohmBoy you have to give it to tom from the blender foundation.  He takes a holiday for 2 weeks.   1 week its a trip.  2 week he implements drag and drop in blender.Jan 27 01:53
oiaohmMost likely he is too business running the foundation to code.Jan 27 01:53
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schestowitzMassive Tzunami of Home Defaults Coming or How to Rob America Blind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlDYCAAiS2I&NR=1&feature=fvwpJan 27 01:58
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvzsiESqVss&NR=1Jan 27 02:07
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schestowitzHeh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIuimjehBvo&NR=1&feature=fvwp Jesse Jackson Explains RemarksJan 27 02:13
sebsebsebuh someone wanting Firefox 3.6 on Ubuntu,  etc.  anyway uhmmm  shame they don't provide  really popular package such as Firefox and Open Office, as an update from the offical repo'sJan 27 02:14
sebsebsebso loads of people don't  do ppa's insteadJan 27 02:14
sebsebsebalso after a year a version of Firefox that comes with Ubuntu, is already pretty oldJan 27 02:14
sebsebsebespesailly now it seems, with the new way they are going to be doing FirefoxJan 27 02:15
sebsebsebor not since those updates will come with the security update hrmJan 27 02:15
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBVYr0WWuhw&NR=1Jan 27 02:15
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schestowitzNas blasts FOX. *LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7kMM_QVqQk&feature=channel Even he know what they are up toJan 27 02:21
cubezzzha, found youJan 27 02:24
cubezzzcan anyone play this:Jan 27 02:27
cubezzzrtmp://cp32049.live.edgefcs.net/live/2010_ausradio@18322Jan 27 02:27
schestowitzwhat protocol is this?Jan 27 02:27
cubezzzReal Time Messaging ProtocolJan 27 02:28
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DaemonFCI'm getting a newer car :)Jan 27 02:40
sebsebsebschestowitz: hrmJan 27 02:40
sebsebsebhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010012600535MMSWUBJan 27 02:40
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DaemonFCI found a reasonably priced 2003 Ford Taurus I'm going to probably do the paperwork on tomorrowJan 27 02:41
DaemonFCreplacing my 1995Jan 27 02:42
DaemonFCThis AAC encoder in Winamp is lulzy, Coding Technologies totally left out VBR in favor of constant bit rate with the bit reservoirJan 27 02:48
DaemonFCit's very deceiving, because it's really ABR while it looks like CBRJan 27 02:49
DaemonFCI have no idea why they did thatJan 27 02:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Monbiot calls for Blair's arrest. AT LAST. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/25/bounty-blair-war-criminal-chilcot #iraq #warJan 27 02:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] http://www.arrestblair.org – to raise money as a reward for people attempting a citizen's arrest of the former PM http://bit.ly/4QB8OQ #iraqJan 27 03:05
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Arrest Blair .::. Size~: 7.22 KBJan 27 03:05
schestowitzIt'll never happen, but the publicity this generates will cost Blair his chances in EU candidacyJan 27 03:11
DaemonFCschestowitz: Hang himJan 27 03:15
DaemonFChave a trial first and then hang himJan 27 03:16
DaemonFCsame thing needs to be done with BushJan 27 03:16
DaemonFCObama to announce gimmicky (partial) spending freeze which amounts to about 1/50th of the current federal deficit by 2020Jan 27 03:18
DaemonFCwoot!Jan 27 03:18
schestowitzI guess based on their own rulesJan 27 03:18
schestowitzNuremberg trialJan 27 03:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: Obama is not as bad as McBush would have beenJan 27 03:18
schestowitzIt's not a total lossJan 27 03:18
DaemonFCeveryone who had a hand in it should by tried and hanged by the neck until dead if convicted, schestowitzJan 27 03:18
schestowitzHe's not a strong link in his party thoughJan 27 03:19
schestowitzHe's youngJan 27 03:19
schestowitzHe was selected, not electedJan 27 03:19
DaemonFCone standard when the Nazis did it, and another standard when the Coalition of the Drilling do itJan 27 03:19
schestowitzThe Nazis did worse thingsJan 27 03:19
schestowitzMuch worseJan 27 03:19
schestowitzHimler and othersJan 27 03:19
schestowitzEichmanJan 27 03:19
DaemonFCyou can't let a murderer go because Ted Bundy and Charles Manson were "worse"Jan 27 03:20
schestowitzBut the principal issue is that there is severe (war-like) punishment for war criminalsJan 27 03:20
schestowitzSome of these murderers were smarter than US presidents like Bush and NixonJan 27 03:20
DaemonFCyeah, you can't just say the Nazi's were better at being war criminals, so it excuses the neocons nowJan 27 03:20
sebsebsebschestowitz: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/2010/01/25/so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-geekos/Jan 27 03:21
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schestowitzSaddam murdered many peopleJan 27 03:21
schestowitzLike KurdsJan 27 03:21
schestowitzHe was hanged for itJan 27 03:21
sebsebsebschestowitz: Novell community manager leavingJan 27 03:21
schestowitzBut the law applies in one direction usuallyJan 27 03:22
schestowitzDepending on who's the dominant forceJan 27 03:22
schestowitzPost WW2 it was Stalin, Churchill, Roosevelt, etc.Jan 27 03:22
DaemonFChttp://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100126/BIZ/301269948/1031/BIZJan 27 03:22
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schestowitzsebsebseb: I wrote about it last nightJan 27 03:22
DaemonFCGrand Moff Burton was here todayJan 27 03:22
*DaemonFC pukesJan 27 03:22
*schestowitz passed barf bagJan 27 03:22
DaemonFCDan Burton, the guy that said we should pull up off the "coast of Bolivia"Jan 27 03:23
DaemonFCand declare war on themJan 27 03:23
DaemonFCall classJan 27 03:23
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Burton#.22..._off_the_coast_of_Bolivia.22Jan 27 03:24
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DaemonFC"On March 29, 1995, during congressional hearings on the US War  on Drugs, Burton proclaimed that the US military "should place an aircraft carrier off the coast of Bolivia  and crop dust the coca fields."  It was later pointed out to him that a) Bolivia is landlocked and has no coast (Burton was chairman  of the Western Hemisphere Subcommittee); b) the Bolivian coca  fields (in the yungas and Amazon  lowlands) are beyond the rJan 27 03:24
DaemonFChis finest momentJan 27 03:24
schestowitzBolivia...Jan 27 03:24
schestowitzAnother victim of the USJan 27 03:24
schestowitzThey now have a good presidentJan 27 03:24
schestowitzThe elites/oligarchs hate himJan 27 03:25
schestowitzHe doesn't serve the greedy bunchJan 27 03:25
schestowitzAnd he's friends with ChavezJan 27 03:25
schestowitzWhat the US called "axis of evil" or whateverJan 27 03:25
schestowitzThey try to associate them with IranJan 27 03:25
DaemonFCschestowitz: Burton's son also got busted with lots of drugs and illegal weapons after Burton said all drug dealers should be executedJan 27 03:26
DaemonFCand the charges are suddenly dropped on his sonJan 27 03:26
DaemonFChmmmmmJan 27 03:26
DaemonFCyeah, there's nothing good about himJan 27 03:27
DaemonFChe misses over 70% of the votes while playing golfJan 27 03:27
schestowitzYou should have gone in to question him about itJan 27 03:27
schestowitzYou have a good voice.. would intimidate himJan 27 03:27
DaemonFCthe golf outings are sponsored by cartels like big pharmaJan 27 03:27
schestowitzIf you ask the question correctly, you leave 0 wiggling roomJan 27 03:27
schestowitzIt's a lot to do with how it's askedJan 27 03:28
schestowitzThey have defences (dodge routesJan 27 03:28
DaemonFCschestowitz: He also gets re-elected with unassailable margins every 2 yearsJan 27 03:28
DaemonFCthis district is heavily gerrymanderedJan 27 03:28
sebsebsebstuff about if Micrsoft disappears   http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010012602135OPBZJan 27 03:28
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DaemonFCthe Democrats put him in power by drawing this district so as to trap all the Republican votersJan 27 03:28
DaemonFCThey should assign him to the Neurotic Assclown Committee Jan 27 03:29
DaemonFC:DJan 27 03:29
DaemonFCschestowitz: They never publicize where they'll be, makes it hard to heckle them, that's the pointJan 27 03:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Revers[ing] the brainwash Windows has done" http://ur1.ca/kqw8 http://ur1.ca/kqw9Jan 27 03:31
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schestowitzsebsebseb: what's the original about?Jan 27 03:34
schestowitzI can't browse nowJan 27 03:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Foundation Offers Training, #Linux Gets New #XGI Contributions http://ur1.ca/kqwf http://ur1.ca/kqwgJan 27 03:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Praise for #OpenShot , #GNU #Linux #Video Editor http://lifehacker.com/5455434/openshot-10-is-an-actually-usable-linux-video-editorJan 27 03:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux on Potables Looks Promising http://ur1.ca/kqnaJan 27 03:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Zenwalk 6.2; #Mandriva 2010 an Identity Question http://ur1.ca/kqwr http://ur1.ca/kqwsJan 27 03:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Collection of #Fedora Spins Online: Many Flavours http://ur1.ca/kqx1 #gnu #linux #redhatJan 27 03:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Fedora Fan? Check out this great Spin directory - Linux Critic .::. Size~: 34.15 KBJan 27 03:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Procter & Gamble Chooses #FreeSoftware http://buytaert.net/procter-gamble-using-drupalJan 27 04:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSFE Receives Medal - Great Achievement for #FreeSoftware http://fsfe.org/news/2010/news-20100126-01.htmlJan 27 04:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Protests Against Outrageous Cases of #Censorship http://ur1.ca/kqzx http://ur1.ca/kqzy http://ur1.ca/kqzzJan 27 04:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Internet #Spying Spied in the United States http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/25/us-govt-data-launder.htmlJan 27 04:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Belgian Senator is Aping #Sarko 's Net Fascism http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/25/begian-senator-propo.htmlJan 27 04:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cartels Use More Loopholes to Globalise #Patent Regime http://ur1.ca/kr06 http://ur1.ca/kr07Jan 27 04:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PublicDomain Manifesto Published, Call for More Sharing http://ur1.ca/kr0c http://ur1.ca/kr0d http://ur1.ca/kr0eJan 27 04:44
DaemonFCschestowitz: I love fucking around with Apple fanboisJan 27 04:46
DaemonFCI called the iPod a "miserably dull pile of crap" and a firestorm is about ready to ensue I'm sure :)Jan 27 04:47
schestowitzI got that tooJan 27 04:49
schestowitzAsa DotzlerJan 27 04:49
DaemonFCit doesn't help Mozilla's case for their people to be promoting BingJan 27 04:51
DaemonFCit also is not productive for Ubuntu to turn Firefox into a Bing whorebar via proxyJan 27 04:51
schestowitzThis was over them promoting iPodJan 27 04:52
schestowitzI got into a tiff with AsaJan 27 04:52
DaemonFCschestowitz: iPod is the 2nd most closed portable out thereJan 27 04:53
DaemonFCthey were #1 until Zune came along and refused to talk to anything but the Zune software on WindowsJan 27 04:54
DaemonFCidiots that buy this shit need to be castrated before they infect the rest of the worldJan 27 04:54
schestowitzhttp://media.slated.org/albums/userpics/10002/ballmer-the-enforcer.oggJan 27 05:06
DaemonFChttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2010/01/26/ST2010012604182.html?hpid=topnewsJan 27 05:07
DaemonFCConservative filmmaker arrested and charged in a conspiracy to bug a Democratic senator's officeJan 27 05:08
DaemonFClulzJan 27 05:08
DaemonFC"All four were taken to a suburban New Orleans jail and charged with entering  federal property under false pretenses with the intent of committing a  felony. If convicted, each man faces up to 10 years in prison and a fine  of $250,000."Jan 27 05:09
DaemonFCniceJan 27 05:09
DaemonFChow;s this for a follow-up to the alleged "ACORN sting"?Jan 27 05:10
DaemonFCit's rare to see the scumbags get busted like this, forgive me if I savor itJan 27 05:14
DaemonFClike Watergate Jr.Jan 27 05:15
DaemonFCIt would really be interesting to see if the Republican Party was actually secretly funding these so-called "documentaries" Jan 27 05:15
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schestowitzhttp://exampe.orgJan 27 05:17
phIRCe-BNcHello World!Jan 27 05:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sticks and Stones - Response to Jeremy Allison’s take on #Microsoft http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/27/sticks-and-stones/Jan 27 05:30
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Yes, Biofuels are also an excuse to make more profit selling it to run your car than sell it for much less to starving Mexican familiesJan 27 05:46
DaemonFCif food goes up 3-4% here, that sucks, but it's going up as much as 40% in MexicoJan 27 05:46
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DaemonFCthe horrible part is that I may even be running my car on it now and not knowJan 27 05:47
DaemonFCthe government doesn't make them label it if it's 10% or lessJan 27 05:48
DaemonFCthe government likes E10 because it "reduces smog", the gas stations like it because it's cheaper to buy than gas and your car burns through it faster, and the farmers like it because they're selling corn to you at 10 times what the Mexicans could payJan 27 05:51
DaemonFCand best of all is that you can't refuse to buy it if nobody has to label itJan 27 05:51
DaemonFCthat car I'm looking at tomorrow is a "flex fuel", so I *could* run it on the E85 stuff if I wanted to, it's deceptively cheap though, in that it mist cost 20% less than gas, but you lose 27% of your fuel efficiencyJan 27 05:54
DaemonFCfilling up with E85 only makes sense if it's at least 28% cheaper than gasJan 27 05:55
bronzeso clean the tank out and fill up with pure alcohol.... then pull over and start drinkin'... :) Jan 27 05:56
bronzewoo, such a headache i have... Jan 27 05:57
DaemonFCbronze: E85 is 15% gasolineJan 27 05:57
DaemonFCI would not suggest drinking itJan 27 05:58
DaemonFCthe best thing to do with it is leave it in the gas station's tank ;)Jan 27 05:58
DaemonFCit's incredibly corrosive and I wouldn't trust it in the "hardened" fuel systems they say are in these cars that can run on itJan 27 05:59
DaemonFCI'd bet that it increases the failure rate of even these "hardened" components by a non-trivial amountJan 27 06:00
DaemonFCit just all depends on how badly you want some repair billsJan 27 06:00
DaemonFCas to whether or not maybe saving a nickel on a tank of gas is worth it to youJan 27 06:01
DaemonFCsome rocket scientist in the town's government decided to run the school buses on biodiesel, without installing any engine block heatersJan 27 06:02
DaemonFCso needless to say school was canceled the first day they tried itJan 27 06:02
DaemonFCwhile they drained the fuel tanksJan 27 06:02
DaemonFCB-)Jan 27 06:02
DaemonFCI have to wonder what kind of a moron it takes to run this town so poorlyJan 27 06:03
DaemonFCour mayor is out and about running it like his own piggy bankJan 27 06:03
DaemonFCthen freaking out that some people actually appeal their unfair property tax assessment and the town is $1.6 million under budget halfway into the fiscal yearJan 27 06:04
DaemonFCthe people get the government they deserveJan 27 06:04
Omar87Greetings all.Jan 27 06:04
DaemonFChe was shitting himselfJan 27 06:05
DaemonFCfired his wifeJan 27 06:05
DaemonFCcanceled the Christmas lights :PJan 27 06:05
DaemonFCsacked half of our fire fightersJan 27 06:06
DaemonFCmore is coming I'm sure, but I don't know how he could outdo himselfJan 27 06:06
Omar87schestowitz: are you around?Jan 27 06:06
DaemonFCI may consider moving if he's not removed from office this yearJan 27 06:06
Omar87DaemonFC: who are you talking to?Jan 27 06:07
DaemonFCbronze: Jan 27 06:07
DaemonFCstarted as a rant about ethanolJan 27 06:07
Omar87I see.Jan 27 06:07
DaemonFCthen I went and remembered the town trying to run school buses on biodiesel in winter, without block heaters Jan 27 06:07
DaemonFCI'm surprised nobody thought about heading on down to Walmart and getting some electric blanketsJan 27 06:08
DaemonFCI (briefly) had a diesel VolkswagonJan 27 06:09
DaemonFCthe only thing on Earth less reliable than a gasoline VolkswagonJan 27 06:09
DaemonFCthey need to make those things with a bigass warning label "Engine may catch fire, stranding driver in another state"Jan 27 06:11
DaemonFCpeople can say whatever they want to about Ford, I've never had a Ford do half as much shit to me as a VWJan 27 06:13
DaemonFCmy favorite bit was the "fluid" that started oozing out my window when it stuck halfway downJan 27 06:13
DaemonFCor the wiper motors that seem to last about 6-8 monthsJan 27 06:14
DaemonFCor maybe it's the fact that it's impossible to get a speeding ticket while you're driving oneJan 27 06:14
DaemonFCif the wind starts blowing against the car you may start going backwardsJan 27 06:15
DaemonFCfucking imports :PJan 27 06:15
DaemonFCmade in MexicoJan 27 06:15
DaemonFCpile of shitJan 27 06:15
DaemonFCbut I did learn that diesel is not particularly reliable 3 months out of the year in IndianaJan 27 06:16
DaemonFCwhen it freezes solid and you have no block heaterJan 27 06:16
DaemonFCI don't even wish death on my enemies Omar87Jan 27 06:17
DaemonFCI wish them a diesel VWJan 27 06:17
DaemonFCI don't know how these little bitty 3-4 cylinder cars with motorcycle engines sell so well in foreign countriesJan 27 06:18
DaemonFCI mean even people who could afford something nicer, it won't fit on their roadsJan 27 06:18
Omar87DaemonFC: I think you should go get some sleep.Jan 27 06:19
DaemonFCit's like the concept of a two-lane road has been largely lost on EuropeJan 27 06:19
DaemonFCOmar87: You like me, I know you doJan 27 06:20
DaemonFCyou wouldn't know what to do in my absenseJan 27 06:20
DaemonFC*absenceJan 27 06:20
DaemonFCyou would weepJan 27 06:20
DaemonFCand besides, I just had some coffeeJan 27 06:21
DaemonFCI don't think sleep is likely soonJan 27 06:21
DaemonFCI think it is more likely that I will transform into CornholioJan 27 06:21
DaemonFCand need some TP for my bungholeJan 27 06:21
Omar87DaemonFC: Coffee? No I'm sure as hell what you just had wasn't coffee. It's heroin. Or opium.Jan 27 06:23
Omar87Or both.Jan 27 06:23
DaemonFCmaybeJan 27 06:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many reminders from the past week’s news of #Apple ’s unhealthy obsession with #patents http://ur1.ca/kr5dJan 27 06:23
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DaemonFCI'm supporting your economyJan 27 06:23
DaemonFCbow before meJan 27 06:23
DaemonFCyour economic lord and saviorJan 27 06:24
Omar87DaemonFC: just take my advice and unplug your computer now, and go get some sleep. :-)Jan 27 06:24
DaemonFCyou know if you inject below your toenails, you don't get track marks Jan 27 06:24
DaemonFCtrue storyJan 27 06:25
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Omar87DaemonFC: would like a short little bedtime story?Jan 27 06:32
DaemonFCuhhhm, not if it makes you violate the principles of your religionJan 27 06:35
DaemonFCyou know, the love everyone, peace to all type dealJan 27 06:35
DaemonFC:)Jan 27 06:35
DaemonFCI would never ask you to do thatJan 27 06:35
Omar87Okay, once upon a time there was a little naive ignorant called DaemonFC who was very addicted to the Fox Newz kool-aide and he kept on yapping nonesense without even knowing what he's talking about, until everyone in the city ignored him (like I'm gonna do now). One day, he was found dead on his couch with his t,v on at Fox News channel. :-) Jan 27 06:42
Omar87New sweet dreamz! :-DJan 27 06:42
schestowitzOmar87: yesJan 27 06:42
schestowitzBut it's almost 7am hereJan 27 06:42
Omar87schestowitz: It doesn't matter.Jan 27 06:43
schestowitz"Fox News channel......."Jan 27 06:43
Omar87schestowitz: I really don't know how you could tolerate his idiocy all this long...?Jan 27 06:43
schestowitz*LOL*Jan 27 06:43
schestowitzgn, Omar87, DaemonFOXJan 27 06:43
Omar87schestowitz: really now. How, in the world, are you able to tolerate him all this time?Jan 27 06:44
DaemonFChigh bullshit threshold Jan 27 06:50
DaemonFCcommendable Jan 27 06:50
Omar87schestowitz: anyways, did you hear about SourceForge's new decision?Jan 27 06:53
Omar87It sucks!Jan 27 06:53
Omar87schestowitz: For some reason, I'm getting a load of IM's from spammy non-existen accounts. How dangerous could these be?Jan 27 06:57
Omar87non-existent*Jan 27 06:57
DaemonFCmost likely someone has a bot in a room you are in that collects the names of everyone in the roomJan 27 06:59
DaemonFCfor later spammingJan 27 06:59
DaemonFClmfaoJan 27 07:12
DaemonFChttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13526_3-10440432-27.htmlJan 27 07:12
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DaemonFC"A proposed file format called MusicDNA  will allow content owners to ship up to 32GB of information, such as  album cover art, song lyrics, and even up-to-the minute blog posts and  concert listings, alongside a music file"Jan 27 07:12
DaemonFCMP3 album, 90 megs, useless crap, 500 megsJan 27 07:12
DaemonFCI can see that happening nowJan 27 07:12
DaemonFCthey think the solution to people downloading music for free is to tell them they'll toss in a bunch of crap nobody asked for if you buy it?Jan 27 07:13
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DaemonFCJonoMonoYahellBingiPodOMGWTFBBQbuntu!Jan 27 07:18
DaemonFCNow where's the PPA that makes this work?Jan 27 07:19
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DaemonFChttp://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/01/26/2358237/Canadian-Android-Carrier-Forcing-Firmware-UpdateJan 27 08:41
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DaemonFCRogers sounds so evil they could make Satan pop a bonerJan 27 08:41
DaemonFC"Yeah, I can't call 911 and there's some guy with a fucking Uzi breaking into my house"Jan 27 08:42
DaemonFCRogers: "No problem sir, we'll get that fixed for you in a few months, mmmmk? Is there anything else?"Jan 27 08:43
DaemonFC"Uh yeah, I'm about to be fucking murdered you shithead!! HELP!!!!!"Jan 27 08:43
DaemonFC"Thank you for calling Rogers technical support and have a nice day......click"Jan 27 08:43
DaemonFCpeople wonder why I have gunsJan 27 08:44
DaemonFCthe police couldn't get here in less than 10 minutes even in the best case and with my luck, the phone would bleep at me and say "Network Busy"Jan 27 08:45
DaemonFCI'd have their suspect for them when they finally did waddle their asses over here, sprawled all over the wall after getting a lesson in muzzle velocity from my Remington model 870 20-gaugeJan 27 08:47
DaemonFCpump-action, pistol gripJan 27 08:49
DaemonFC8-)Jan 27 08:49
DaemonFCso yeah, to hell with E911Jan 27 08:49
DaemonFCif more people were armed, you wouldn't have so many break-insJan 27 08:50
DaemonFCburglars should have the distinct impression that they'll be leaving your home feet first, is my firm beliefJan 27 08:51
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DaemonFC"If you are afraid of loneliness, don't marry." -- ChekhovJan 27 08:58
DaemonFCI like thatJan 27 08:58
DaemonFCI can think of 5 or 6 times that I wish someone had told me something like thatJan 27 09:00
DaemonFCstir up the "What the hell am I about to do?" inner monologue Jan 27 09:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] it'd be funny to see a pro-Ubuntu / anti-Canonical FB group, detailing all the stuff they do w/o asking the community, & how to reverse themJan 27 09:41
oiaohmhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzkyOQJan 27 09:49
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oiaohmNow there is a reason for the need of usb 3Jan 27 09:49
oiaohmSo we can connect a insane number of screens to 1 machineJan 27 09:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Geek Q: How to make Sun sendmail accept outgoing mail normally but actually put it *all* into a mailbox for review? (staging w/ real addrs)Jan 27 10:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @davidgerard the answer appears to be a blackhole smtp sink, but saving to a file rather than blackholingJan 27 11:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Free Software Foundation Europe (#FSFE ) goes to #WIPO and #Mozilla advocates #Ogg http://ur1.ca/ks7rJan 27 11:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] The New Paul Parker album "Take it from Me" has been released: http://www.paulparkermusic.comJan 27 11:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Zune and #Windows Mobile Are Going Away http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/27/zune-and-mobile-down-for-count/Jan 27 12:25
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kecskebakhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-January/030065.htmlJan 27 12:45
kecskebakhttp://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2010/01/26/ubuntu-10-04-to-change-firefox-default-search-provider/Jan 27 12:47
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schestowitzkecskebak: thoughts?Jan 27 13:05
kecskebakWell, seeing as Yahoo! has done a deal with Bing it's Bing by proxyJan 27 13:06
schestowitzI was about to write about it, we ranted about it for hours last nightJan 27 13:06
schestowitzYesJan 27 13:06
kecskebakShuttlecock - say Bing!Jan 27 13:06
kecskebakI think I will leave Ubuntu for good after this version for FedoraJan 27 13:06
MinceRsame hereJan 27 13:07
MinceRor for PardusJan 27 13:07
kecskebakFedora is running on my wife's computer - it's stable, just as good, and I won't have to remove MonoJan 27 13:07
kecskebakIf I wanted to run Mint I'd run MintJan 27 13:08
kecskebakI remember all the free software stuff Ubuntu came out with a few years ago. It seems to be slowly turning 360 degreesJan 27 13:08
MinceRi wouldn't run Mint -- they couldn't even get their repo keys right and the KDE version was very late, if it even came out alreadyJan 27 13:08
MinceRhttp://xkcd.com/694/Jan 27 13:10
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kecskebakI feel very let down by Ubuntu. I think they've spun a line to get market share.Jan 27 13:10
schestowitzPardus looks excellentJan 27 13:11
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kecskebakThe way things are going I think I'll be using KDE soon tooJan 27 13:18
MinceRi already am :>Jan 27 13:19
kecskebakI love the GNOME desktop, but I dislike the way it's being runJan 27 13:19
kecskebakAnd I don't think the people running it care about committed to freedom.Jan 27 13:19
MinceRi don't like it ever since they've stopped closely copying KDE and started copying macos insteadJan 27 13:20
kecskebakI hate this GDM 2.0 thing which shows a list of names of people using the computer. That's idiotic in my view.Jan 27 13:20
MinceRi like that list, but it's optionalJan 27 13:21
kecskebakThen there's Evolution, which is entwined with the panel so you can't uninstall it cleanlyJan 27 13:22
MinceRunless i misunderstand what you meanJan 27 13:22
kecskebakAnd now has a mono dependencyJan 27 13:22
MinceRi use evolution because its search folder support is the least buggy of all imap clientsJan 27 13:22
kecskebakIt's when you turn on the computer, the first thing you see is a list of all the users. You have to click on one to log in.Jan 27 13:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Signs Deal with #Acacia and Builds More #Patent Walls Against #Linux http://ur1.ca/ksk8Jan 27 13:22
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MinceRthen i understood correctlyJan 27 13:23
kecskebakI still wonder if GNOME will forkJan 27 13:24
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sebsebsebkecskebak: yeah I don't like list of names of people who are using computer either,  I don't like  GDM 2 at all in fact, well Fedora 11 and 12 it was ok, Ubuntu 9.10 uh nasty dark backgroundJan 27 13:39
sebsebsebKDM is niceJan 27 13:39
sebsebseband it shows the last person who was on it, in the user name fieldJan 27 13:39
MinceRboth can be set up to show or not to show that list :>Jan 27 13:40
sebsebsebGDM 2 can't be customized easily in  9.10Jan 27 13:40
MinceRnot even by switching themes?Jan 27 13:41
kecskebakYou can't switch themesJan 27 13:41
kecskebakIt's an early versionJan 27 13:41
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MinceRicJan 27 13:42
sebsebsebyeah KDM is way better than that stupid new GDMJan 27 13:43
kecskebakThe way things are going Lucid's backdrop will be an advert for Tesco Value Baked Beans and you won't be able to change it.Jan 27 13:43
sebsebsebkecskebak: what do you mean exactly?Jan 27 13:43
MinceRnah, not until tesco is bought up by m$Jan 27 13:43
MinceRuntil then, you'll have to make do with an advert for a m$ or novell product :>Jan 27 13:44
kecskebakWell, software store selling Adobe Creative Suite and mp3s from EMI, browser sponsored by Novell, Weather Panel Applet brought to you by Powergen...Jan 27 13:44
sebsebsebI am still wondering about LucidJan 27 13:44
sebsebsebwell alpha 3 in just under a month nowJan 27 13:44
sebsebsebwhich will be pretty much feature complete I guessJan 27 13:44
MinceRPowergenItalia?Jan 27 13:45
kecskebakOne of the nice things about GNU/Linux is that it didn't come laden with crapware. And now the first thing I do when I install Ubuntu is remove Mono.Jan 27 13:45
kecskebakMincerR: :)Jan 27 13:46
kecskebakSorry, got your handle wrong...Jan 27 13:46
sebsebsebUbuntu One is useless for quite a lot of us as well reallyJan 27 13:46
sebsebsebI don't want to use itJan 27 13:46
MinceRi installed mono so i could use gnome-do. ironically, gnome-do doesn't work with kwin so now i can't use it :>Jan 27 13:46
Diablo-D3gnome-do is shit tooJan 27 13:47
Diablo-D3its no quicksilverJan 27 13:47
kecskebakgnome-do-dos in factJan 27 13:47
MinceRit's shit, but it does have a desirable feature for meJan 27 13:47
Diablo-D3and quicksilver wasnt exactly the best idea eitherJan 27 13:47
MinceRit can open a file from my notes subdirectory by typing a substring of its nameJan 27 13:48
Diablo-D3and osx 10.5 implemented the sole reason I used quicksilver: apple-space search for filesJan 27 13:48
MinceRfor everything else, there's krunner and gmrunJan 27 13:48
sebsebsebkecskebak: thanks for the links I didn't go on links before about the Yahoo BingJan 27 13:59
sebsebsebschestowitz: Yahoo search becomes Bing,  and Ubuntu uses by default in Firefox, so Canonical can make a tiny bit of money hrm.   I think better to use GoogleJan 27 14:00
cubezzzin the end, you _could_ make your own distroJan 27 14:03
cubezzza lot of work, but heyJan 27 14:03
cubezzzthat way you get exactly what you wantJan 27 14:03
sebsebsebcubezzz: there was an article with 10 scripts or whatever. to help in making own distroJan 27 14:04
cubezzzwhat teaches you more, DIY or using a ready made OS?Jan 27 14:05
sebsebsebcubezzz: making ownJan 27 14:05
cubezzzto me, the last big problem is binary blobsJan 27 14:09
cubezzzI only have one nowJan 27 14:10
cubezzznvidia blobJan 27 14:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] President Lula can do any nice speech for Software Libre he wants, the Brazilian Patent Office grants software patents: http://i5.be/aoKJan 27 14:11
cubezzzof course I should also include flash itselfJan 27 14:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft-Intel: More information about the two abusive monopolies and how GNU/Linux fits their puzzle http://ur1.ca/kstzJan 27 14:13
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MinceRmaking my own distro would be a grand project by itselfJan 27 14:50
MinceRto say nothing of keeping it updatedJan 27 14:50
MinceRi do have an idea of making my own package manager, thoughJan 27 14:50
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schestowitz"Hi, Roy,"Jan 27 14:53
schestowitz"A few years ago, when Microsoft started strong arming its way into advertising services, I one of two major complaints I had was that this allowed them to control via the purse strings its competitors."Jan 27 14:53
schestowitz"So Ubuntu is feeding Microsoft's ad engine, Bong, which is hiding WolframAlpha from the public."Jan 27 14:53
schestowitz"To address only the purse strings issue, it's a simple effect: not biting the hand that feeds.  Most people become real kiss-asses for a little compensation, even as cheap as low-cost, made-in-china swag.  The Comes v Microsoft exhibits have many examples.  But it's not a new"Jan 27 14:53
schestowitz"problem. Noam Chomsky went into very great details about how it works and how it is abused to achieve political goals and even to circumvent democratic process."Jan 27 14:53
schestowitz"(I notice that a lot of FOSS and open standards projects try to rely on ad revenue, but that more than a few have trouble actually collecting.)"Jan 27 14:53
schestowitz"Now recently Bradley Khun wrote in praise of Debian, and it is important to work towards a positive note.  While that positive note is being sung, it is absolutely essential that the Microsofters get cleaned out of Debian or it will go the exact same way as Ubuntu. "Jan 27 14:53
schestowitz"Jo Shields and the others used their insurgency into Ubuntu as a key to get into Debian.  There is also the problem of whomever sponsored their membership."Jan 27 14:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Chief #Microsoft Lobbyist @BillGates Goes on Anti- #Google Tour in the Press http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/27/gates-anti-google-tour/Jan 27 15:01
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MinceRschestowitz: i doubt that lower overhead has ever been the argument for microkernels. the point is reliability.Jan 27 15:16
MinceRand probably securityJan 27 15:16
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DaemonFCuggh, Crapple fanboisJan 27 15:59
DaemonFCarguing that AAC is some kind of divinely inspired technological feat handed down from GodJan 27 16:00
DaemonFCnot understanding that the most disgusting thing about these codecs is that they're largely based on academic research dating back into the 19th century through the 1950s, and should be public domain based on that aloneJan 27 16:01
Tallken?Jan 27 16:04
Tallken1950?Jan 27 16:04
DaemonFCTallken: Yes, things like auditory masking and huffman coding are that oldJan 27 16:05
DaemonFCmost of the theory behind MP3/AAC/WMA/Ogg Vorbis/MPC, etc. predates the moon landingJan 27 16:06
DaemonFCand was conducted by research professorsJan 27 16:06
DaemonFCnow we have the MPEG Cartel and Microsoft trying to sell us licenses to use binary codecs based on much knowledge that is already in the public domainJan 27 16:07
DaemonFCit's not unlike pharmaceutical companies charging hundreds of dollars a bottle for pills made using taxpayer-funded researchJan 27 16:07
TallkenHuffman is 1950-ishJan 27 16:07
TallkenPredictive coding I'd assume as wellJan 27 16:08
Tallkennow all the bits and pieces joined together in a beautiful package, since then?Jan 27 16:08
DaemonFCessentially, yesJan 27 16:08
Tallkenthe Psychoacoustic models, since 1950-ish ?Jan 27 16:08
Tallkentemporal masking?Jan 27 16:08
Tallkenfrequency masking?Jan 27 16:09
DaemonFCyeah, I'll bet you that 90% of the research needed to implement MP3 dates to before 1970Jan 27 16:09
DaemonFCcertainly the most critical piecesJan 27 16:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Former #Microsoft employee announces that #Canonical will send #Ubuntu users to Microsoft’s datacentres http://ur1.ca/ktdjJan 27 16:10
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DaemonFCobviously there are a few "enhancements" that companies have thrown into newer codecs along the waythat aren't particularly usefulJan 27 16:11
DaemonFCspectral band replication for exampleJan 27 16:11
Tallkenwhy is that?Jan 27 16:11
DaemonFCit's useful at streaming bitratesJan 27 16:12
DaemonFCunder 80kbps generally, is what Nero AAC limits you toJan 27 16:12
Tallkenso, why isn't it useful?Jan 27 16:12
DaemonFCit works at higher bitrates, but it doesn't really help out a lotJan 27 16:12
DaemonFCTallken: Cause I'd rather just use a streaming service that uses 160> kbps anywayJan 27 16:13
DaemonFClow bitrate sounds bad no matter what you do to itJan 27 16:13
DaemonFCit's not 1990, the challenge is not to see how much data you can stuff onto a one channel ISDN lineJan 27 16:14
Tallkenthat doesn't mean it isn't useful to us who have lower traffic bandwidthJan 27 16:14
Tallkenthat doesn't mean the standard isn't usefulJan 27 16:14
DaemonFCpeople were praising WMA at one point because you could actually make out what song was playing at phone line bandwidthJan 27 16:14
TallkenI like WMA on a technical merit, except it's from MS which doesn't support other platforms; allows easy DRM to go unnoticed until it's too late; requires hacks to get running on other platforms; as such, I don't like it in general.Jan 27 16:16
DaemonFCTallken: At the bitrates you're likely to use to store tracks on your hard drive or MP3 player, SBR isn't really useful. AOL is the only internet radio I've seen using AAC with SBRJan 27 16:16
Tallkendoesn't mean in terms of capabilities it isn't goodJan 27 16:16
DaemonFCOgg Vorbis is known to outperform AAC+ at those bitrates anywayJan 27 16:16
DaemonFCI highly suspect that SBR was one of those things someone did just to get into the patent poolJan 27 16:17
DaemonFCwhat's worse is that it will crash Windows Media Player and most portables won't play them eitherJan 27 16:18
DaemonFCAAC has a lot of "profiles", and most decoders only support Low ComplexityJan 27 16:19
DaemonFCI still haven't seen MP3 Pro supported in hardware (or most software)Jan 27 16:19
DaemonFCthe only MP3 Pro player I've seen was the one Thompson released in 1998 and a couple old RCA Lyra modelsJan 27 16:20
DaemonFCif  you want a 64 MB Lyra from 1998, you can take your 32kbps MP3 Pro files with you 8-)Jan 27 16:21
DaemonFCyou'll pay more royalties to use MP3 Pro or AAC+ than you will to just double the bitrate and pay the bandwidth billJan 27 16:22
DaemonFChence why they failedJan 27 16:22
DaemonFCcompanies never seem to understand that something usually has to be more useful than liability in order for it to catch onJan 27 16:23
DaemonFCTallken: My favorite bit was when Thomson announced MP3 HD (MP3 file with a massive lossless correction) which you pay royalties out the ass to implement, it's 20% bigger than FLAC, and a lot of portables play FLAC anyway at full qualityJan 27 16:25
DaemonFCThomson doesn't even make anything anymore, they're just a massive patent trollJan 27 16:26
DaemonFCoh my god...Jan 27 16:29
Tallken?Jan 27 16:29
DaemonFCthe Windows encoder for MP3 HD is a .Net applicationJan 27 16:29
DaemonFC"Win32 mp3HD GUI encoder/decoder v1.0 (includes mp3HD Toolkit)  Requires Administrator account and .NET 3.0"Jan 27 16:31
DaemonFChmmm, so you get a blip from UAC every time you start the encoder tooJan 27 16:32
MinceR:DJan 27 16:42
DaemonFCyay for YahellJan 27 16:47
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DaemonFCWhy do I sign into Yahell Messenger? It's for the penis pill spammer lulzJan 27 16:47
DaemonFCI'm going to overdose on illegal generic black market Russian Viagra one of these daysJan 27 16:48
DaemonFCthe coroner is going to find that I'm six foot four laying downJan 27 16:48
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ender2070yahooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooJan 27 16:52
ender2070gotta love msbuntuJan 27 16:52
DaemonFCender2070: Shhhhhhhh. You'll get jono riled up. It'll stay burrowed in its hole if you don't say UbuntuJan 27 16:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] rt @jonobacon Look into my eyes, not around the eyes...use Ubuntu : http://is.gd/79XQf #ubuntuJan 27 16:53
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ender2070http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/7Jan 27 16:53
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DaemonFCI find it amusing that when the RIAA needed Linux, they chose UbuntuJan 27 16:54
ender2070jono hardly talksJan 27 16:54
DaemonFCerrr, it was the MPAA, same differenceJan 27 16:54
DaemonFCMPAAbuntuJan 27 16:54
DaemonFCthe "University Toolkit" spywareJan 27 16:54
ender2070Yahoo search = bingJan 27 16:54
jonoDaemonFC, hey honey, need some attention?Jan 27 16:54
jono:PJan 27 16:54
DaemonFCUbuntu must be radiating some kind of evil vibes if the MPAA is choosing it B-)Jan 27 16:54
ender2070ubuntu is helping bing nowJan 27 16:54
DaemonFCthat's all I'm sayingJan 27 16:55
MinceRi wonder what will happen to suse nowJan 27 16:55
DaemonFCMinceR: I wonder if it's even still possible for Novell to unfuck themselvesJan 27 16:55
DaemonFCthey've hedged all their bets on being a cheaper, crappier, Red HatJan 27 16:55
DaemonFCin league with MicrosoftJan 27 16:55
jonoDaemonFC, which distro do you use, out of interest?Jan 27 16:55
MinceRdoes closing the company count? :>Jan 27 16:56
ender2070DaemonFC - they would need to fire their ms mvp's so as not to keep copying msJan 27 16:56
DaemonFCjono: Right now I have Windows Server 2008 R2 and SiduxJan 27 16:56
ender2070jono - ms windowsJan 27 16:56
ender2070lolJan 27 16:56
DaemonFCI paid the same for both of themJan 27 16:56
DaemonFC8-)Jan 27 16:57
ender2070pirate!Jan 27 16:57
DaemonFCnopeJan 27 16:57
jonoDaemonFC, windows?Jan 27 16:57
DaemonFCstudent licenseJan 27 16:57
jonooooookJan 27 16:57
jono:)Jan 27 16:57
jonoDaemonFC, how old are you?Jan 27 16:57
DaemonFCIf I'm not telling the census, why should I tell you? :PJan 27 16:57
ender2070you told me you were 25 DaemonFCJan 27 16:58
DaemonFCI amJan 27 16:58
DaemonFCgoing on 26 :(Jan 27 16:58
jonoDaemonFC, ok, so I am guessing you are in your teensJan 27 16:59
jonowhich is coolJan 27 16:59
DaemonFCender2070: I'm a student, a Chinese student, in BeijingJan 27 16:59
DaemonFCask MicrosoftJan 27 16:59
DaemonFC;)Jan 27 16:59
ender2070lolJan 27 16:59
jonoDaemonFC, interesting how you use MicrosoftJan 27 17:00
jonoI would have thought you were opposed to MSJan 27 17:00
ender2070daemonfc loves windowsJan 27 17:01
DaemonFCjono: Born 4-11-1984Jan 27 17:01
DaemonFCage 25Jan 27 17:01
jonoDaemonFC, I thought you were not going to tell us?Jan 27 17:01
MinceRhe doesn't seem to know whether he's opposed to m$ or not :>Jan 27 17:01
jonoI don't know if I believe youJan 27 17:02
ender2070lolJan 27 17:02
jonoI think you may actually be 17 or soJan 27 17:02
jonobut whatever, thats coolJan 27 17:02
jono:)Jan 27 17:02
ender2070he certainly acts like itJan 27 17:02
DaemonFCgive me a momentJan 27 17:02
ender2070however sometimes he talks like Rush LimbaughJan 27 17:02
jonoender2070, lolJan 27 17:02
jonoanyway, I need to get back into my buried little holeJan 27 17:02
jonoand go and figure out a way to squeeze more Mono into UbuntuJan 27 17:02
jonohugs!Jan 27 17:03
ender2070LOLJan 27 17:03
DaemonFCmore mono, less featuresJan 27 17:03
DaemonFCless talky, more workyJan 27 17:03
DaemonFCno run alongJan 27 17:03
ender2070firefox now has yahoo/bing searchJan 27 17:03
DaemonFC*nowJan 27 17:03
jonoDaemonFC, ironic as I work on an OS and you just talk in hereJan 27 17:03
jonobye!Jan 27 17:03
MinceRmaybe you could find a way to bundle m$ office, too :>Jan 27 17:03
DaemonFCjono: The Ubuntu Information MinisterJan 27 17:04
ender2070a crossover office deal perhapsJan 27 17:04
jonoDaemonFC, thats rightJan 27 17:04
jono:)Jan 27 17:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@flight404 Incredibly gorgeous Half-Life 2 mod: http:// www.littlelostpoly.co.uk/devblog/?p=448 // says Unreal Engine, is that HL2??Jan 27 17:04
jonodont believe a word I sayJan 27 17:04
sebsebsebjono: nice to see you having a bit of a joke/laugh in here as wellJan 27 17:06
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jonosebsebseb, :)Jan 27 17:07
schestowitzSorry about the DaemonFOXJan 27 17:12
schestowitzWe are anti-censorship, unless it turns very vulgarJan 27 17:12
schestowitzOr when people start making threatsJan 27 17:13
MinceRhm, i have a better idea: bundling internet explorerJan 27 17:14
DaemonFCMinceR: I added Internet Explorer on Ubuntu in UncyclopediaJan 27 17:14
DaemonFCMicrosoft donated IE 6 to them because they felt sorry for UbuntuJan 27 17:14
DaemonFCIE 6 is the default web browser on UbuntuJan 27 17:15
DaemonFChttp://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UbuntuJan 27 17:15
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DaemonFCI did a major makeover on the article last year and it's gotten some additional editing sinceJan 27 17:16
DaemonFCrecasting Mark Shuttleworth as CthuluJan 27 17:16
DaemonFCand managing to insult Wikipedia tooJan 27 17:17
DaemonFC"This article is about the third world operating system. For the  article about the third world philosophy, Go Screw Yourself. It ain't never comin' back!"Jan 27 17:17
DaemonFC"mneptok, the paid Ubuntu gigolo of the Dread Cthulhu Shuttleworth, says,  "My hair is luxurious. Touch it."."Jan 27 17:18
DaemonFCnot my idea, but I did put his picture thereJan 27 17:18
DaemonFCMicrosoft Bob is the default desktop, and the Jabbering Jabberwock is the current Long Term Nonsense releaseJan 27 17:19
DaemonFCyou get the idea :)Jan 27 17:20
DaemonFChttp://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/e/e5/FisherPriceLaptop_2.jpgJan 27 17:26
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DaemonFCniceJan 27 17:26
DaemonFCin Windows 7 Starter only two applications will run, "explorer.exe and an ad for Windows 7 Ultimate", roflJan 27 17:27
MinceRthey forgot the menubar on the top of the screenJan 27 17:27
DaemonFChttp://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/b/b4/Windows_7_editions.pngJan 27 17:27
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MinceRlolJan 27 17:27
DaemonFC"distinctions between unimportant features", this is trueJan 27 17:29
DaemonFCthe only real crimp in Home Premium is the 16 GB of RAM limitJan 27 17:29
DaemonFCthe rest is fluffJan 27 17:29
MinceRthere's a lot of truth in that adJan 27 17:29
MinceRDaemonFC: better get Premium Home Premium Premium(tm) then, with the Greatly Expanded, 18 GB RAM limit!Jan 27 17:30
DaemonFCWindows 7 Voting Machine EditionJan 27 17:30
DaemonFClulzJan 27 17:30
DaemonFCwiping its logs of voter fraud every 60 secondsJan 27 17:30
DaemonFCmaybe we will get Jeb Bush next timeJan 27 17:30
DaemonFCMinceR: Professional, Ultimate, and Enterprise raise the limit to 192 GB and all support two physical CPUsJan 27 17:31
DaemonFCthe difference between Pro and Ultimate is mainly that you pay $20 more for Ultimate and Ultimate is only supported half as long Jan 27 17:32
DaemonFC*grin*Jan 27 17:32
DaemonFCoh, there's Bitlocker, but most people don't have a TPM and Microsoft sells backdoor kits to the police anywayJan 27 17:32
DaemonFCTruecrypt will work on any version of Windows and is much stronger, and it has plausible deniability, which I'm not entirely certain how that works, but anything that lets me deny something in a plausible fashion is welcomeJan 27 17:34
DaemonFCMinceR: It wasn't me with all those bootleg MP3s, it was the one armed man!Jan 27 17:35
MinceRthe one armed man?Jan 27 17:35
DaemonFCthe one armed manJan 27 17:35
DaemonFCYou have seen The Fugitive, right?Jan 27 17:36
MinceRi don't think i haveJan 27 17:36
*MinceR checksJan 27 17:36
DaemonFCit was the one armed man that killed Dr. Kimball's wifeJan 27 17:36
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DaemonFCbecame a popular clicheJan 27 17:36
MinceRwhich "The Fugitive"?Jan 27 17:36
DaemonFC"It wasn't me, it was the one armed man!" means that you did something and you have a flimsy excuseJan 27 17:36
DaemonFCMinceR: The one with Tommy Lee Jones and Harrison FordJan 27 17:37
MinceRi don't think i've seen itJan 27 17:37
DaemonFCand Andreas Katsulas as the one armed manJan 27 17:37
DaemonFC(who also played Ambassador Tomalok (spelling?) of the Romulan Empire in Star Trek TNG and G'Kar in Babylon 5)Jan 27 17:38
DaemonFCMinceR: The movie was based on the TV series from the 60'sJan 27 17:39
bronze"The Fugitive" - originally an intensly followed TV series starring David Janssen. Series only lasted  2-3  years iircJan 27 17:39
DaemonFCMinceR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AewLnfWIAcwJan 27 17:40
DaemonFCgood movieJan 27 17:40
DaemonFCJones reprised his role as Samuel Gerard in US Marshals (1998)Jan 27 17:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Hijacks More of #Education Sector in Carolina, Michigan, and Georgia http://ur1.ca/ktmaJan 27 17:47
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MarcusKozehello, anyone active ?Jan 27 18:10
schestowitzo/Jan 27 18:11
schestowitzWhat's up?Jan 27 18:11
MarcusKozehm, just seen your article about ubuntu running yahoo as default searchJan 27 18:12
MarcusKozei was wondering for a while whether ubuntu gets too dang commercial Jan 27 18:12
bronzeinevitable. Jan 27 18:13
MarcusKozeand well ... they just don't seem to put the emphasis on F/OSS movement, but rather just using F/OSS for what seems to be MONEY and nothing more ... Jan 27 18:14
MarcusKozei mean, i give them credit for polishing the interface and pushing it to the massesJan 27 18:14
MarcusKozebut hey ... i personally think it's getting dirtier and dirtier actually, no matter how shiny it looks on the outside :(Jan 27 18:15
MarcusKozeam i being paranoid here or... what do you think ?Jan 27 18:16
schestowitz[18:12] <MarcusKoze> i was wondering for a while whether ubuntu gets too dang commercial Jan 27 18:16
schestowitzNoJan 27 18:16
schestowitzBut I hope they change their mindJan 27 18:16
schestowitzMarcusKoze: let's wait and seeJan 27 18:16
schestowitzjono is still listeningJan 27 18:17
MarcusKozewhat's about jono ?Jan 27 18:17
schestowitzRight at this very moment I do another post just to show how Microsoft is misusing privacyJan 27 18:17
schestowitzAnd how it is used against peopleJan 27 18:17
DaemonFClurking, apologizing, personally insulting......Jan 27 18:17
DaemonFCetcJan 27 18:17
schestowitzIf Ubuntu sends requests from new Ubuntu users to Microsoft is exposes itself (BI)Jan 27 18:17
schestowitzIt's basically like any new installation of Ubuntu 10.4 will 'phone' Microsoft HQJan 27 18:18
schestowitzUnless of course a new user will immediately know to change the settings without doing a single search with Bahoo!!Jan 27 18:19
MarcusKozewhat do you mean call home ?Jan 27 18:19
MarcusKozehow would it ?Jan 27 18:19
schestowitzI don't think it's worth the money that Ballmer's Bartzer will pay CanonicalJan 27 18:19
MarcusKozei mean, i understand taht from a windos machine, but from a linux one ?Jan 27 18:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] couldn't give a brass razoo about #Apple tablet #bahhumbugJan 27 18:19
rnbhiiiiiJan 27 18:20
schestowitzOhi!Jan 27 18:20
rnbhello, sirJan 27 18:20
rnbmy favorite day of the monthJan 27 18:20
rnbinvoice dayJan 27 18:20
schestowitzMarcusKoze: when you use Firefox (default web browser) it will send your strings to Microsoft when you use the search barJan 27 18:20
schestowitzMicrosoft can then targets "Linux dissidents" by IP address and stuffJan 27 18:21
schestowitzThen advertise to them via MSN/Live/whateverJan 27 18:21
schestowitzThat's what they do in marketing/BI is they are "good" (as in viciously evil)Jan 27 18:21
MarcusKozehmJan 27 18:22
MarcusKozethat'd suck big dayJan 27 18:22
DaemonFCyeah, it's just Bing with "Yahoo" brandingsJan 27 18:22
MarcusKozebig time, pardon me Jan 27 18:22
DaemonFCMS gets all the data from your searches and tracks youJan 27 18:22
MarcusKozenot a native english Jan 27 18:22
schestowitzrnb: you get to keep your voice in?Jan 27 18:22
*schestowitz has voices in the headJan 27 18:22
schestowitzI wonder what Mozilla will say....Jan 27 18:23
DaemonFCwho knows? Mozilla is schizoJan 27 18:24
DaemonFCsome will probably praise the move to BinghooJan 27 18:24
DaemonFCsome will probably condemn itJan 27 18:24
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MarcusKozedont know about mozilla being schizo, i like what they deliverJan 27 18:24
FurnaceBoywe need more zero tolerance of MSJan 27 18:24
schestowitzDaemonFC: Asa is no Bong fanJan 27 18:24
FurnaceBoyworld needs*Jan 27 18:24
MarcusKozei agree with that Jan 27 18:24
schestowitzI don't think anyone there isJan 27 18:25
schestowitzTheir Microsoft mole (Snyder) leftJan 27 18:25
DaemonFCMarcusKoze: Too many of Mozilla's higher-ups have been too friendly to Bing for their own goodJan 27 18:25
schestowitzShe was the only Microsoft apoligist thereJan 27 18:25
MarcusKozei wonder, what's the chances for web devs to unite and ban whatever MSJan 27 18:25
schestowitzFormer SoftieJan 27 18:25
DaemonFCBing isn't funding Firefox, why are they promoting it?Jan 27 18:25
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: oh, no, it *is* for their own good. kickbacks and the rest.Jan 27 18:25
DaemonFCyou mean personal bribes at the expense of funding for MozillaJan 27 18:25
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's standard MS M.O., where needeJan 27 18:25
FurnaceBoydJan 27 18:25
schestowitzDaemonFC: they DON'T promote itJan 27 18:26
schestowitzStop spreading BSJan 27 18:26
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/21/asa-dotzler-misquoted/Jan 27 18:26
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FurnaceBoyMarcusKoze: it'll slowly happen when corporates realise how unnecessarily costly it is to support a non-standard platform, i thinkJan 27 18:26
schestowitzThe only ones promoting it are IDG and other _lackey_ journosJan 27 18:26
FurnaceBoyMarcusKoze: the cost of IE6 alone is in the billions to developersJan 27 18:26
MarcusKozeyeah Jan 27 18:27
schestowitzThose who distort Mozilla's stance for their beloved BallmerJan 27 18:27
schestowitzHe pays themJan 27 18:27
DaemonFCschestowitz: "Bing has a better privacy policy, you should use it" is not a promotion?Jan 27 18:27
FurnaceBoyMarcusKoze: and 7,8,9 aren't much better, so i think this eventually will make people reject itJan 27 18:27
MarcusKozeshift, dont write that, i want to kill some softies when i hear/read about it ()ie'sJan 27 18:27
schestowitzDaemonFC: that's ASAJan 27 18:27
schestowitzNot A.S.AJan 27 18:27
FurnaceBoyMarcusKoze: it's just throwing good money away, trying to make stuff work on IE.Jan 27 18:27
schestowitzIt's one personJan 27 18:27
schestowitzHe's not MozillaJan 27 18:27
MarcusKozei'm doing web dev and i want to kill whoever micromoft when it comes to supporting ie's Jan 27 18:28
DaemonFCBing *may* have a better *stated* privacy policy, but Microsoft has a history of violating their own privacy agreementsJan 27 18:28
schestowitzAnd he was quoted out of contextJan 27 18:28
schestowitzHe removed that postJan 27 18:28
cubezzzhttp://www.xkcd.com/694/Jan 27 18:28
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MarcusKozei dont care about them personally, but customers/employer demandsJan 27 18:28
FurnaceBoyMarcusKoze: one day they'll join the dots, esp as IE share dropsJan 27 18:28
schestowitzDaemonFC: "12 pillars".....Jan 27 18:28
FurnaceBoyMarcusKoze: "so you're telling me 50% of your development cost is burned on a 25% browser?"Jan 27 18:28
MarcusKoze:))Jan 27 18:29
MarcusKozehehe Jan 27 18:29
FurnaceBoy"And we can support all standards compliant browsers with half the effort?"Jan 27 18:29
MarcusKozequite a paradox lol :)Jan 27 18:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@brasandranties wholistic #health, #food, #diet, nutrition #Toronto, Meghan Telpner kicks butt http://meghantelpner.com (satisfied client)Jan 27 18:29
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FurnaceBoyMarcusKoze: so I am optimistic :)Jan 27 18:30
DaemonFCactually, IE 6 isn't even 25% now, is it?Jan 27 18:31
MarcusKozei strongly doubt that ie's "share" is anything it was some years ago Jan 27 18:32
DaemonFCIE 6 is 14% according to StatCounterJan 27 18:32
MarcusKozei dont give a **** ******* **** * ***** on ms's reports or whateverJan 27 18:32
DaemonFCso more like half their development costs to support a browser with 14%Jan 27 18:32
MarcusKozei just consider my own experiences regarding OSJan 27 18:32
MarcusKozeandJan 27 18:32
MarcusKozeborwser choices i see at people, and it only gets optimistic for me at leastJan 27 18:33
MarcusKozeargh, going to have dinner, see you in a bit Jan 27 18:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft to inject 100 millions more dollars into Novell, in order to render Linux and free software non-free: http://i5.be/aoRJan 27 18:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@jasonsantamaria Wow, seriously hopped up on #coffee. Anyone need a car lifted off them? // so right now you resemble your Twtr avatar? :)Jan 27 18:39
FurnaceBoywhy does everyone say 'argh' when they leave this channel ;-)Jan 27 18:41
MarcusKozegotta be yummy i guessJan 27 18:41
DaemonFChttp://www.southwestautofw.com/newandusedcars/0/433333/4f3e70c4-c32d-4b72-a4b9-9d2526603720/2006-Ford-Taurus.aspxJan 27 18:41
DaemonFCargh! :PJan 27 18:41
DaemonFCheheJan 27 18:41
DaemonFCnow that might be mine within a few days :DJan 27 18:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The Evolution of a #Haskell Programmer http://www.willamette.edu/~fruehr/haskell/evolution.html very nice #programming #fpJan 27 18:42
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DaemonFCmy car insurance is going to go way up (full coverage), I'm not looking forward to thatJan 27 18:44
DaemonFCbeats what I'm driving now thoughJan 27 18:44
MarcusKozewhat would that be ?Jan 27 18:44
DaemonFC1995 Ford TaurusJan 27 18:44
MarcusKozeoh Jan 27 18:44
MarcusKozei like opel , as a general brandJan 27 18:45
DaemonFCI had to pull the fuse that controls the car alarmJan 27 18:45
MarcusKozei mean brand likenessJan 27 18:45
DaemonFCwhich also took out my interior lights, radio, and the chime when the keys are in and you have the door openJan 27 18:45
DaemonFCcause the car alarm was going off randomly :DJan 27 18:45
MarcusKozelool Jan 27 18:45
MarcusKozegotta suck almost as much as a windos install ;))Jan 27 18:46
MarcusKoze3 months oldJan 27 18:46
DaemonFCthat car is so far gone I should have gotten rid of it two years agoJan 27 18:46
DaemonFCbut not havign a car payment is a compelling reason to tolerate something you hateJan 27 18:46
DaemonFCthe heater stopped working last winter and they wanted $800 to fix itJan 27 18:47
MarcusKozehm, thats sounds like a fortune where i am Jan 27 18:47
DaemonFCso I just bought a little heater deal you plug into the cigarette lighter to defrost the windshieldJan 27 18:47
schestowitzzoobab: I get "http://www.sdtimes.com/default.aspx?CustomError=404" on your linkJan 27 18:47
DaemonFCthen the heater comes back on this winterJan 27 18:47
DaemonFCthen I backed into a pole and broke the bumper in halfJan 27 18:48
DaemonFCit's like, going to the demolition derby when I get rid of itJan 27 18:48
MarcusKozepoor littl machinery :))Jan 27 18:48
DaemonFCthere's nowhere else for itJan 27 18:48
schestowitzzoobab: Google News also links to 404 thereJan 27 18:48
DaemonFChaving a car that's 11 years newer with 60,000 less miles is going to be niceJan 27 18:49
MarcusKozeDaemonFC: you from the states ?Jan 27 18:49
DaemonFCyesJan 27 18:49
MarcusKozedo you know of the brand Opel ?Jan 27 18:49
iantoAlso known as VauxhallJan 27 18:50
DaemonFCI know that GM owns them, they only get sold in EuropeJan 27 18:50
MarcusKozeor i think they brand it as vauxhallJan 27 18:50
DaemonFCthat's about itJan 27 18:50
MarcusKozedont know, dont you like the, ?Jan 27 18:50
MarcusKozeit;s my favourite brand Jan 27 18:50
schestowitzzoobab: it's an error, it's old newsJan 27 18:50
schestowitzAugust 2008 iircJan 27 18:50
iantoErm you people have favourite brands?Jan 27 18:50
MarcusKozecheap, durable, safe, stable, easily maintanable ...Jan 27 18:50
DaemonFCI hate GM cars, they only made one thing that I've driven and likedJan 27 18:51
DaemonFCthe Chevrolet BerettaJan 27 18:51
DaemonFCB-)Jan 27 18:51
DaemonFCnot the 4 cylinder, the 3.1 liter 6 cylinderJan 27 18:51
DaemonFCthe car's frame weighs virtually nothing, you can get it up to 130 miles per hourJan 27 18:51
DaemonFCit was a fun little car, RIPJan 27 18:51
iantoYou guys really ought not to buy into brand namesJan 27 18:51
FurnaceBoyianto: :)Jan 27 18:52
FurnaceBoyianto: amenJan 27 18:52
DaemonFCianto: I'll stick to Ford, my car is 15 years old and it does still start up reliablyJan 27 18:52
DaemonFCIt's like Al Bundy's undying DodgeJan 27 18:52
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you have an amazing ability to refuse to see points of principle :)Jan 27 18:52
DaemonFCcorrection, 16 years oldJan 27 18:52
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and skate along the surface of things, with numbers and anecdotesJan 27 18:53
FurnaceBoyoh well, diff'rent strokesJan 27 18:53
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: GM makes a lot of shitJan 27 18:53
DaemonFCjust total outright fucking shitJan 27 18:53
FurnaceBoycase in point. :)Jan 27 18:53
DaemonFCweird failures of everythingJan 27 18:53
iantoDaemonFC:  If you're current car of that model and year has proven to be successul by all means buy it but don't buy Fords for the rest of your life due to itJan 27 18:53
DaemonFCeven when the car is basically newJan 27 18:53
*FurnaceBoy goes to join #boycottcarsJan 27 18:53
DaemonFCoh, my mom has an '04 Impala, nothing but problemsJan 27 18:54
DaemonFCweird noises, gas gauge doesn't workJan 27 18:54
DaemonFCcar alarm goes off when you open the trunkJan 27 18:54
DaemonFCCadillac is not all that reliable for a $30,000 car eitherJan 27 18:54
MarcusKozewho makes the impala ?Jan 27 18:54
DaemonFCGM under the Chevrolet brandJan 27 18:55
MarcusKozeoh Jan 27 18:55
MarcusKozei'm not so deep into cars :)Jan 27 18:55
MarcusKozethought it's Ford :)Jan 27 18:55
DaemonFChttp://www.w0bsh.com/site/photos/ChevyImpala/04Impala.jpgJan 27 18:55
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DaemonFChttp://forum.avtoindex.com/foto/data/media/37/Ford_Taurus_1992-95_30.jpgJan 27 18:56
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DaemonFCthat is what I drive nowJan 27 18:56
DaemonFCdoesn't look that great though (stock picture)Jan 27 18:56
DaemonFCI'm not considering anything smaller than a 3 liter V6, that's my only real hard limitJan 27 18:57
DaemonFCI'd like to get one of the 2010 Ford Taurus SHO's, but those cost a fortuneJan 27 18:57
MarcusKozeyuch, we have a 1.6 liter opel / vauxhall Jan 27 18:57
FurnaceBoywell enjoy it while you can. they don't make oil any more.Jan 27 18:57
schestowitzDaemonFOX, why do you steer discussion here towards guns and cars?Jan 27 18:58
DaemonFCcauseJan 27 18:58
MarcusKozehaha, good point thereJan 27 18:58
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ;)Jan 27 18:58
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yank obsessionsJan 27 18:58
schestowitzNational sportJan 27 18:58
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: this is what civilisation is reduced toJan 27 18:58
MarcusKoze:))Jan 27 18:58
DaemonFCI like to commit drive by shootings and get away faster than people can walk briskly after meJan 27 18:58
DaemonFCthat's why I won't take a 4 cylinder engineJan 27 18:58
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: spare us more of your fantasiesJan 27 18:58
DaemonFCI was being sarcasticJan 27 18:59
schestowitzBut cars and guns are 2nd and 3rd... to fashionable consumption (malls etc.)Jan 27 18:59
DaemonFCsomewhatJan 27 18:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: did you skim the comment thread at the end of Monbiot's "Arrest that m*****f***** Blair" article?Jan 27 18:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: GrauniadJan 27 18:59
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: I'd rather reduce my gas mileage by a marginal amount and not get pushed around by the windJan 27 19:00
DaemonFCit's not like I'm pining for a 6 liter V12 MercedesJan 27 19:00
DaemonFCtell the rich people about carbon emissions and taking up twice their fair share of everythingJan 27 19:01
DaemonFCbulletproof Hummers @ 4 miles per gallonJan 27 19:01
*ianto doesn't understand DaemonFC's obsession with cars, it's not as if America has any good roads anywayJan 27 19:01
_Goblinyou havent seen his obsession with Guns yet.Jan 27 19:01
DaemonFCthey're serviceable Jan 27 19:01
FurnaceBoyughJan 27 19:02
DaemonFCI have a radar detectorJan 27 19:02
DaemonFClets rock :)Jan 27 19:02
iantoYou will never be able to experience miles upon miles of curvatious roads :)Jan 27 19:02
FurnaceBoywell, if i wanted to listen to yanks yammer on about their pointless fin-de-siecle obsessions, I'd move thereJan 27 19:02
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DaemonFCyeah....Jan 27 19:02
DaemonFCCanada outlawed radar detectors, he's jealousJan 27 19:03
DaemonFCfeel the jealous vibes 8-)Jan 27 19:03
DaemonFCthe funny thing abut the law here is that they let you have workable countermeasures to all the equipment the police have at readily affordable pricesJan 27 19:05
DaemonFCit does lead to an arms race though, maybe that's the ideaJan 27 19:06
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MarcusKozehey, here's some paranoia from me :) Jan 27 19:08
MarcusKozedid anyone read "The Holcroft Covenant" by Robert Ludlum ?Jan 27 19:08
DaemonFCmust have missed it :)Jan 27 19:09
DaemonFCMarcusKoze: The funniest thing I've ever seen the police use is VG-2Jan 27 19:11
DaemonFCa radar detector detectorJan 27 19:12
MarcusKozehehe Jan 27 19:12
DaemonFCso now all the radar detectors detect the VG-2 unit, warn the driver, and then shut off so they can't be detectedJan 27 19:12
DaemonFCso you have a readar detector detector detection system with built in stealth modeJan 27 19:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft to Spy on Indians, #Bank Accounts, #Health Records (and Profiles of Customers) http://ur1.ca/ktsvJan 27 19:12
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MarcusKozein here , it used to be illegal to have a radar detector, but they've eventualy legalised it Jan 27 19:13
DaemonFC8-)Jan 27 19:13
DaemonFChere it's only illegal in Washington D.C. and all of VirginiaJan 27 19:13
DaemonFClegal in the other 49 statesJan 27 19:13
DaemonFCVirginia is a bunch of traffic ticket nazisJan 27 19:14
MarcusKozehey, btw. i've been curious, what the heck does DC stand for in Wash. DC ?Jan 27 19:14
iantoWatch your languageJan 27 19:14
DaemonFCthey even have airplanes fly over highways hitting the cars with radar and lidarJan 27 19:14
iantoDistrict of ColumbiaJan 27 19:14
DaemonFCpainting them as targets for police cruisers on the groundJan 27 19:14
MarcusKozehahahaha aaaaaaJan 27 19:14
DaemonFCMarcusKoze: District of Columbia, like he said, it's not a state, it's a federal districtJan 27 19:15
MarcusKozeianto: what do you mean language ?Jan 27 19:15
MarcusKozeyou mean that "heck" ?Jan 27 19:15
DaemonFCsemi-autonomous local governmentJan 27 19:15
iantoMarcusKoze:  His nazi calling spreeJan 27 19:15
MarcusKozeoh :) Jan 27 19:15
DaemonFCwell, they have AIRPLANES tagging speeders!Jan 27 19:15
DaemonFCI mean, damnJan 27 19:15
DaemonFCthey have traffic signal cameras, roadside automated radar trapsJan 27 19:16
DaemonFCeverythingJan 27 19:16
DaemonFCthere is just no other state that hell bent on stopping you for going 5 mph over and giving you a $120 ticketJan 27 19:17
iantoWell at 30mph if you hit someone there is an 80% chance they'll live,  at 40mph there is an 80% chance they'll dieJan 27 19:18
iantoan extra 5mph can make a big differenceJan 27 19:18
DaemonFCI've only ever seen roadside radar with cameras in a few places in Indiana and they're stationary and bouncing radar off everything that goes byJan 27 19:18
DaemonFCso they're easy to detectJan 27 19:18
DaemonFCa police officer with an "instant on" system can ambush you, though he's probably painting cars ahead of youJan 27 19:19
DaemonFCso you can usually tell he's out thereJan 27 19:19
DaemonFCI've had a few close calls even with the detector, where I only had maybe 10 seconds warningJan 27 19:20
DaemonFCif it's just a cop driving around that leaves it on, enough of it will bounce off signs, the road, whatever to usually warn you with 20 seconds or moreJan 27 19:21
DaemonFCwhat pissed me off was one time when I really did get ambushed and my detector goes from 0 to 10 instantly and the lights and sirens come onJan 27 19:21
DaemonFChurried up and ripped it off the windshield and shoved it under my seat, got a warning ticket :)Jan 27 19:22
DaemonFCsomehow I always get warnings no matter what I've doneJan 27 19:23
iantoExcuse me whilst I fire up MonoDevelop 2.0Jan 27 19:23
DaemonFCI think I've had 9 warnings in the last 10 yearsJan 27 19:23
iantoIn the UK you would have no driving licenceJan 27 19:23
DaemonFCianto: Cook me up a Windows BansheeJan 27 19:24
DaemonFCianto: I get a good driver discount on my car insuranceJan 27 19:24
DaemonFCthat's the funniest thingJan 27 19:24
DaemonFCand no points on my licenseJan 27 19:24
DaemonFCI think you can get 6 points before they take it away for a yearJan 27 19:24
DaemonFCmake you take a defensive driving classJan 27 19:24
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DaemonFCianto: I not only have my license, I have a pre-fascist licenseJan 27 19:25
DaemonFCas in, not REAL ID compliantJan 27 19:25
iantoDo you suffer from ADHD out of plain curiosity?Jan 27 19:26
DaemonFCI don't have to get a REAL ID license unless I move or somethingJan 27 19:26
DaemonFCianto: I've been told thatJan 27 19:26
DaemonFCspeaking of licenses, I still have a Class B CDL until 2012Jan 27 19:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Geeks! I have 2x1.5TB USB disks. Want one to mirror the other on Linux. Can lag, doesn't have to be RAID1. Tips?Jan 27 19:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] YES I WANT A BLOODY iPAD ALREADY AARGH AARGH AARGH DAMN YOU JOBS DAMN YOUUUUUUJan 27 19:39
Tallkensomeone is going crazy on the chan messages :pJan 27 19:41
schestowitzhttp://blogs.zdnet.com is down \0/Jan 27 19:42
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schestowitzTallken: what do you mean?Jan 27 19:42
cubezzzbah, ipad :)Jan 27 19:42
Tallken-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell- [davidgerard] YES I WANT A BLOODY iPAD ALREADY AARGH AARGH AARGH DAMN YOU JOBS DAMN YOUUUUUUJan 27 19:43
cubezzzhehJan 27 19:43
MinceRhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/27/south_african_police_apple_tablet_photos/Jan 27 19:43
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schestowitzMinceR: may cause nauseaJan 27 19:44
MinceRindeedJan 27 19:45
MinceRand it's often taken with kool-aidJan 27 19:45
cubezzzthe crappy thing is I still haven't found a domestic source for arm laptopJan 27 19:45
cubezzzintel atom yes, arm noJan 27 19:46
schestowitzMinceR: Apple and kool-aid are like gin and tonic :-)Jan 27 19:46
MinceRkool-aid helps the cultists swallow the pill.Jan 27 19:46
MinceRcubezzz: "domestic"?Jan 27 19:46
cubezzzCanadian MinceRJan 27 19:46
MinceRicJan 27 19:46
cubezzzso I don't need to go through customsJan 27 19:47
schestowitzZDNyet is still downJan 27 19:47
DaemonFCecstasy!!!!!Jan 27 19:47
schestowitzBeen a whileJan 27 19:47
schestowitzMinceR: see what you did by mentioning drugs?Jan 27 19:47
schestowitzDaemonFOX found another area of expertiseJan 27 19:47
MinceR:>Jan 27 19:48
schestowitzCan you get to http://blogs.zdnet.com/Foremski/?p=1080 ?Jan 27 19:48
schestowitzMaybe they reroute for the UKJan 27 19:49
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schestowitzNovell has just earned two more software patents : http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_14278130Jan 27 19:50
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MinceR204554 < schestowitz> Can you get to http://blogs.zdnet.com/Foremski/?p=1080 ?Jan 27 19:50
MinceRThe connection was resetJan 27 19:50
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Businesses like to say "it's a PATENTED process" to make it sound like theirs is the best and nobody could ever match themJan 27 19:52
DaemonFCit's a marketing ploy because people are stupidJan 27 19:52
DaemonFChttp://www.sltrib.com/ci_14274989?source=most_viewedJan 27 19:53
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DaemonFCand the vermin begin to scamper under the refrigerator Jan 27 19:53
schestowitz"Rumors are the only way to spread the news in China when officials suppress it, as they often do." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#27%20January%202010%20%28China%20issues%20counter%20accusations%20of%20cyber%20warfare%20at%20US%29Jan 27 19:59
schestowitzMinceR: they it means, "windows was reset"Jan 27 20:00
schestowitzThey use Linux thoughJan 27 20:00
MinceRno, it means that the webserver sent an RST to terminate the TCP connection :>Jan 27 20:00
schestowitzThe admin dropped his dentures into the serverJan 27 20:00
MinceRprobably after the handshake, since if it happened during the handshake, it would probably be "Connection refused"Jan 27 20:01
schestowitzhttp://www.nybooks.com/articles/23630Jan 27 20:01
MinceRhm, actually it says "Unable to connect" thenJan 27 20:01
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schestowitz"You can't refuse me! I refuse YOU!!"Jan 27 20:01
MinceR"is this Soviet Russia?"Jan 27 20:02
schestowitzWT..?  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1245420/She-killed-boyfriend-heroin-overdose--I-hate--loved-son-I-did.htmlJan 27 20:03
schestowitzThey shipped serva to GulagJan 27 20:03
*_Goblin has quit ("Lost terminal")Jan 27 20:03
schestowitz"Doctors trying to reexamine the suspicious "suicide" of Dr. Kelly found the the UK government has sealed the records more than usual. This fuels suspicion that the government murdered Dr. Kelly to silence him." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#27%20January%202010%20%28Lord%20Hutton%20blocks%20David%20Kelly%20murder%20inquiry%29Jan 27 20:04
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/25/gilderdale-cleared-attempted-murder-daughterJan 27 20:04
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/26/red_hat_bi_java_oracle/Jan 27 20:06
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schestowitz"Lord Hutton's decision to classify documents about the death of Dr David Kelly is likely to face a legal challenge amid claims by experts that there are increasing grounds to question the inquiry's verdict of suicide."Jan 27 20:07
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schestowitzZDc* is coming backJan 27 20:13
schestowitzhttp://lwn.net/Articles/369511/Jan 27 20:17
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schestowitzMatt Asay has begun advertising Apple again and he's fuelling anti-Linux Garnter analystsJan 27 20:18
schestowitzWhat stooges...Jan 27 20:18
schestowitzHe doesn't even write about FOSS anymore. Oh well.. maybe for the better :-)Jan 27 20:19
schestowitzPJ is also spending time defending Apple...... pffffffff..... http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100127022029404Jan 27 20:19
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schestowitzhttp://paidcontent.org/article/419-five-months-after-going-public-shanda-games-loses-its-ceo/Jan 27 20:24
schestowitzI started reading ghabuntu last month because the content was very good (found in TM). Worth subscribing to........Jan 27 20:25
schestowitzhttps://tipit.to/wikileaks.orgJan 27 20:26
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schestowitzWow, Google 'stole' my idea: http://googlereader.blogspot.com/2010/01/follow-changes-to-any-website.htmlJan 27 20:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @rlancefield "Election Loss Likelihood Threat Level" raised to "Severe".Jan 27 20:26
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Software/Google_Cron/Jan 27 20:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Yay! I beat Google to it (by 5 years) http://ur1.ca/kodt mine: http://ur1.ca/ku1mJan 27 20:28
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DaemonFChttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704094304575028951284541726.html?mod=WSJ_Taxes_MoreHeadlinesJan 27 20:29
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DaemonFCB-)Jan 27 20:29
schestowitzIt's funny that one Red Hat employee contacted me to ask about the Ubuntu thing compared to Novell'sJan 27 20:31
schestowitzNovell signed a deal that punishes other linux vendorsJan 27 20:31
schestowitzIMHO, Ubuntu signs a shot-in-the-foot dealJan 27 20:31
schestowitzI expect some people who are new to Linux to choose Pardus or somethingJan 27 20:32
schestowitzWhat a shame.........Jan 27 20:32
DaemonFChttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704905604575027182399728218.html?mod=WSJ_hp_editorsPicksJan 27 20:32
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Kraft is buying all your food businesses to shut them down and make more room for their stuff?Jan 27 20:33
schestowitzDaemonFC: banana republic in the mid-westJan 27 20:33
schestowitzDaemonFC: pharmas do this tooJan 27 20:33
DaemonFCI remember that Terry's briefly sold some chocolate oranges hereJan 27 20:34
schestowitzSometimes it's cheaper/more profitable to bribe competitors to join or to stop competingJan 27 20:34
DaemonFCthey didn't exactly sell wellJan 27 20:34
schestowitzWith pharmas i's worseJan 27 20:34
schestowitzCasue there are the patent elementsJan 27 20:34
DaemonFCthey ended up selling what was left of the shipment to Big LotsJan 27 20:34
schestowitzThey drive GENERICS off the shelvesJan 27 20:34
schestowitzIn India they do this a lotJan 27 20:34
schestowitzSo they drive you to death by preventing access to genericsJan 27 20:34
DaemonFCyeah, it's hard to muscle store brand groceries off the shelvesJan 27 20:35
DaemonFCWalmart for example, makes a lot of money off store brand groceries, they only get rid of them if the competitor whips out the checkbook and buys the rest of the shelfJan 27 20:35
DaemonFCsometimes the Walmart brand is made by the same people as the national brand (at least 60% of the time I'd say)Jan 27 20:36
DaemonFCWalmart basically "auctions" shelf space by making competitors "bid" for itJan 27 20:36
cubezzzblahJan 27 20:36
DaemonFCit's quite evil and should be illegalJan 27 20:36
cubezzzdon't give Walmart your moneyJan 27 20:37
cubezzzanother evil monopolistJan 27 20:37
DaemonFCyeah, it's really easier said than done when the Kroger here is usually a third more expensiveJan 27 20:37
DaemonFCI go to Kroger if they have a really great saleJan 27 20:37
DaemonFCtheir meat is goodJan 27 20:37
DaemonFCWalmart's tastes like they killed a 95 year old cow and preserved it in saltJan 27 20:38
cubezzzhehJan 27 20:38
DaemonFCpretty much all gristle, their hamburger anywayJan 27 20:38
cubezzzwell there you go :)Jan 27 20:38
cubezzzyou get what you pay forJan 27 20:39
DaemonFCI like the 93/7 stuffJan 27 20:39
DaemonFCWalmart's doesn't go higher than 75/25Jan 27 20:39
DaemonFCit really is disgustingJan 27 20:39
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DaemonFCyou have to cook them in the George Foreman grill to get the fat out and then the rest is like burnt rubberJan 27 20:40
trmancohey guysJan 27 20:40
cubezzzI can buy albacore or budget brand tuna, but I'll pay the extra and get albacoreJan 27 20:40
schestowitzhttp://www.the-source.com/2010/01/checking-in-on-the-gnome-foundation/Jan 27 20:40
trmancoand galsJan 27 20:40
DaemonFCit's the only way to describe itJan 27 20:40
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schestowitztrmanco: hey, what's new?Jan 27 20:40
schestowitzCold winterJan 27 20:40
schestowitzYou came at the worst timeJan 27 20:41
trmancoschestowitz: it snows already LOLJan 27 20:41
DaemonFCWalmart also has frozen bacon burgers, burnt leathery rubber bacon burgers with 470 calories per pattyJan 27 20:41
trmancoI had my hands freezen the whole morningJan 27 20:41
DaemonFCyum yum eat 'em upJan 27 20:41
trmancofrozen*Jan 27 20:41
DaemonFCenough cholesterol and sodium to kill anything that's ever livedJan 27 20:41
DaemonFCmakes McDonalds look like health foodJan 27 20:42
DaemonFCand people actually eat this shitJan 27 20:42
DaemonFCthat's what's wrong here, not that we lack universal health care, that people eat this shit and wonder why they have 3 heart attacks and a stroke on the way to age 70Jan 27 20:43
cubezzzyeah don't use doze and don't shop at WalmartJan 27 20:43
DaemonFCend stage renal failure for the bonus round.....Jan 27 20:43
cubezzztwo easy to remember tipsJan 27 20:43
DaemonFCcubezzz: I will not eat Walmart meat, I have to go so many places in town to shop to avoid high grocery prices and get everything I needJan 27 20:44
DaemonFCbut it's well worth it to avoid Walmart's meat, Kroger's high prices, and Big Lots only carrying dry groceryJan 27 20:44
cubezzzyes, I do similar, but buy all at one placeJan 27 20:45
cubezzzin Ontario we have Loblaws which is pretty decentJan 27 20:45
DaemonFCcubezzz: Walmart will declare war on every business in townJan 27 20:46
DaemonFCaren't they taking over in Canada too?Jan 27 20:46
schestowitzHeh. http://www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/home/2010/01/we-mustnt-discriminate-against-the-unreliable.htmlJan 27 20:46
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cubezzzno :)Jan 27 20:46
DaemonFCWalmart will make it a point to dump merchandise really cheap long enough to run everyone else out of townJan 27 20:46
DaemonFCthen they jack the price up to higher than the competitors had Jan 27 20:46
cubezzzwe have Loblaws/No Frills, and Sobeys/Price ChopperJan 27 20:46
schestowitzDaemonFC: they own Asda in the UKJan 27 20:47
cubezzzWalmart is crappy, I don't give them 1 cent :)Jan 27 20:47
DaemonFCschestowitz: Before a supercenter opens, the store management goes around profiling all the other businesses and giving an estimate of how long it will take to shut them downJan 27 20:47
DaemonFCI've also went to competing stores with a device made to look like a phone, scanned all their items Walmart was interested in, and punched in the pricesJan 27 20:48
cubezzzthe customer has the power of choiceJan 27 20:48
DaemonFCthen you take it back to Walmart, plug it in, and the store's computer lowers Walmart's prices by 10% vs. the competitorJan 27 20:48
cubezzzdoesn't matterJan 27 20:48
DaemonFCthe department managers sign into their handheld terminals and print out the new shelf labelsJan 27 20:48
cubezzzyou know Walmarts prices aren't even that greatJan 27 20:49
cubezzzit's a fallacy that "Their price is the lowest"Jan 27 20:49
DaemonFCthey are where they have to be until the competitor is ran out of townJan 27 20:49
cubezzzmaybeJan 27 20:49
DaemonFCthen they jack up prices in that categoryJan 27 20:49
cubezzzi think some Euro countries kicked Walmart outJan 27 20:49
cubezzzlike Germany, not positive thoughJan 27 20:49
DaemonFCWalmart is willing to run their store at a loss to ruin surrounding competitionJan 27 20:49
DaemonFCI've seen them do itJan 27 20:50
DaemonFCI've done it for themJan 27 20:50
cubezzzin Southern Ontario there is lots of competition in the food businessJan 27 20:50
DaemonFCif the entire store is bleeding cash, that's alright for a year or two if it means decimating the competition, salting the Earth of themJan 27 20:50
DaemonFCcubezzz: Walmart has a bigger scale than anyone else, a more efficient store delivery systemJan 27 20:51
cubezzzLoblaws has an excellent bakery, far superior to WalmartJan 27 20:51
DaemonFCthey look for anything and everything to get operational costs to a minimumJan 27 20:51
cubezzztheir quality is lowJan 27 20:51
DaemonFCyeah, better product and better customer service can really help the competitionJan 27 20:52
cubezzzwould you buy a computer there? Of course notJan 27 20:52
DaemonFCbut the customer is buying the same thing at a lower price at Walmart 80% of the timeJan 27 20:52
DaemonFCso you have to be a specialty shop to outmaneuver themJan 27 20:52
DaemonFCand even that may not save youJan 27 20:52
DaemonFCpeople might throw Walmart baked goods in the cart just because they're at Walmart anywayJan 27 20:53
DaemonFCthis is the planJan 27 20:53
cubezzzDaemonFC, Germany kicked Walmart out :)Jan 27 20:53
cubezzzjust like Microsoft is getting the boot, so will WalmartJan 27 20:53
cubezzzonce people wake up Jan 27 20:53
DaemonFCcubezzz: And as a former Walmart manager eith a little bit of inside knowledge of how they do things....Jan 27 20:53
DaemonFCGermany made the right callJan 27 20:53
DaemonFC*withJan 27 20:53
cubezzzI don't think NYC has Walmart eitherJan 27 20:54
cubezzzor ChicagoJan 27 20:54
DaemonFCget rid of them while you can, they'll strip mine your town, your state, your countryJan 27 20:54
trmancoI went to wallmart todayJan 27 20:54
trmancowalmart*Jan 27 20:54
DaemonFCsend it all to Bentonville, ArkansasJan 27 20:54
DaemonFCand ChinaJan 27 20:54
DaemonFCand IndiaJan 27 20:55
DaemonFCand BangladeshJan 27 20:55
DaemonFCand ThailandJan 27 20:55
DaemonFCMalaysiaJan 27 20:55
cubezzzI have never bought from WalmartJan 27 20:55
cubezzz_ever_Jan 27 20:55
DaemonFCMexicoJan 27 20:55
DaemonFCwherever there's no worker safety laws, no minimum wages, no environmental protection, you'll find a Walmarrt supplier running a sweatshopJan 27 20:56
DaemonFCpossibly even with child laborJan 27 20:56
cubezzzsurely for groceries you can do better than Walmart?Jan 27 20:56
DaemonFCnot really, they just ran the "premium" grocery store out in May of last yearJan 27 20:56
DaemonFCMarshJan 27 20:56
DaemonFChigher prices, but they carried better/fresher/tastier stuffJan 27 20:57
DaemonFCdidn't save themJan 27 20:57
cubezzzman, that's terribleJan 27 20:57
DaemonFCyeah, Walmart is trying to devour everything in their pathJan 27 20:57
DaemonFCand Marsh had the best meat department I've ever been toJan 27 20:58
DaemonFCthey didn't carry one thing that I didn't likeJan 27 20:58
DaemonFCsame with bakery and dairy departmentsJan 27 20:58
DaemonFCyou replace that fresh-made stuff with Walmart's processed crapJan 27 20:58
DaemonFCwell, it's disgustingJan 27 20:58
cubezzzLoblaws has been around since the 1920'sJan 27 20:58
cubezzzmaybe even longerJan 27 20:59
DaemonFCWalmart doesn't even have a butcher, they get all their meat preprocessed and prepackagedJan 27 20:59
DaemonFCSmithfieldJan 27 20:59
DaemonFCGoogle itJan 27 20:59
cubezzzI believe youJan 27 20:59
DaemonFCillegal aliens, wage and hour violations, worker safety violationsJan 27 20:59
DaemonFCthey even literally are the local governmentJan 27 21:00
cubezzzLoblaws: founded 1919Jan 27 21:00
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DaemonFCthe police in that town are Smithfield employeesJan 27 21:00
cubezzzin fact, our family has shopped at Loblaws since the 60'sJan 27 21:00
DaemonFCit's a company town they're runningJan 27 21:00
cubezzzdid you know when I first came to Canada there was no McDolands or Burger King?Jan 27 21:00
DaemonFCWalking Tall has nothing on Smithfield Meat PackingJan 27 21:00
cubezzzMcDonaldsJan 27 21:01
DaemonFCcubezzz: Where are you from, and when did you get to Canada?Jan 27 21:01
cubezzzN. Ireland (Belfast), 1967Jan 27 21:01
DaemonFCmeh, makes sense thenJan 27 21:02
DaemonFCI don't think there was a lot of fast food here even in 1967Jan 27 21:02
DaemonFCit exploded in the 70s and 80sJan 27 21:02
DaemonFCnobody has a sit down dinner anymoreJan 27 21:02
DaemonFCrush rush, employer demands more of your time every weekJan 27 21:03
cubezzzin the US there was, but I wouldn't know first-handJan 27 21:03
DaemonFCno time for the family, everyone for themselves, pop something in the microwaveJan 27 21:03
DaemonFCthat's where this processed food bullshit came from tooJan 27 21:03
cubezzzactually I cookJan 27 21:04
cubezzzstopped eating fast food around 2005Jan 27 21:04
DaemonFCthere's an aisle for snacks, three aisles for frozen convenience food, a wall of lunch meat, a wall of pre-processed cheesesJan 27 21:04
DaemonFCthe fresh produce is like 1/10th the size of all the convenience food departmentsJan 27 21:05
DaemonFCeven then half of it's not fresh, it's salad kitsJan 27 21:05
DaemonFCpre-sliced fruit saladsJan 27 21:05
cubezzzI seem to remember Piggly Wiggly :)Jan 27 21:06
DaemonFCit's not surprising that nobody eats right, everyone has high blood pressure, everyone has high cholesterolJan 27 21:06
cubezzznot sure if they are still around in the USAJan 27 21:06
DaemonFCthe convenience store chain?Jan 27 21:06
DaemonFCprobably somewhereJan 27 21:06
cubezzzsupermarket chain I believeJan 27 21:07
DaemonFCoh, the grocery storeJan 27 21:07
cubezzzbig in NHJan 27 21:07
DaemonFCI've seen them, in the southJan 27 21:07
DaemonFCthey need to bring back HardeesJan 27 21:07
DaemonFCyou have those there?Jan 27 21:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Apple launches #iPad for that time of iMonth http://newstechnica.com/?p=1377Jan 27 21:07
cubezzzI see some American supermarket commericals on ABC, NBC, CBSJan 27 21:07
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cubezzzI'm close to Buffalo you seeJan 27 21:08
DaemonFCmonster triple thickburger, like 1600 calories\Jan 27 21:08
DaemonFCnow that is gluttonyJan 27 21:08
cubezzzSuperValu is one of themJan 27 21:08
cubezzzwhat's the recommended daily intake?Jan 27 21:09
DaemonFCmeh, 2,000-2,500 for most people per dayJan 27 21:09
DaemonFC2,000 being a womanJan 27 21:09
DaemonFCor a really short man I supposeJan 27 21:09
DaemonFCI had it figured out once that 2,000 a day would leave me at about 150 poundsJan 27 21:11
DaemonFCso it's not really enough to sustain me, but it's close enough to slap on the back of a package of somethingJan 27 21:11
DaemonFCthe problem is that it's so easy to overdo itJan 27 21:12
cubezzz"The estimated calories per day for men between 31 - 50 should be 2,400 - 2,600 for moderately active men, and 2,800 - 3,000 for active men."Jan 27 21:12
DaemonFCyou add a small pack of M&M's to that and suddenly I'm 200 poundsJan 27 21:12
cubezzz"he estimated calories per day for men between 19 - 30 should be 2,600 - 2,800 for moderately active men, and 3,000 for active men."Jan 27 21:13
cubezzzso 2000 per day would be rather lowJan 27 21:13
DaemonFCI'd be a blimp at 2600Jan 27 21:15
schestowitzWhat's "active"?Jan 27 21:15
schestowitzmy heart keeps beating, I think I'm "active"Jan 27 21:16
schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/25/technology/25link.html?partner=rss&emc=rssJan 27 21:16
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cubezzzI assume someone who does at least 1 hour per day of exerciseJan 27 21:16
schestowitzWhat exercise?Jan 27 21:16
cubezzzan hour per day on a stationary bike for exampleJan 27 21:16
schestowitzAnd it depends on bodyweightJan 27 21:16
DaemonFCyeah, because fat and muscle both add to your base metabolic rateJan 27 21:17
schestowitzThese measures don't take some factors into account like race, size... just genderJan 27 21:17
DaemonFCyou lose weight slower the more weight you loseJan 27 21:17
DaemonFCI think it takes like 10 calories a day to maintain a pound of fat and 18 a day for muscleJan 27 21:17
cubezzzwell, if you don't walk, and you sit on your butt at work and you don't exercise, then I can safely say you're not active :)Jan 27 21:18
DaemonFCso once you've lost 50 pounds, you've be forced to cut off 500 calories a day to keep losing weight at the speed you started out atJan 27 21:18
DaemonFCwhich is the cause of a plateau Jan 27 21:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard NewsTechnica: Apple launches #iPad for that time of iMonth http://newstechnica.com/?p=1377Jan 27 21:18
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schestowitzhttp://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/will_idealism_be_firefoxs_downfall.php that Firefox comes from Sarah from Microsoft... known shillJan 27 21:19
schestowitzStupid shillsJan 27 21:19
cubezzzextra demerits for not getting out of the car and going to drive-thrus :)Jan 27 21:19
schestowitzSOmeone mailed me about her before.... Microsoft has flooded sites with minions who do 'news'Jan 27 21:19
schestowitzSarah Perez ......Jan 27 21:19
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trmancocya guysJan 27 21:34
DaemonFCcubezzz: Drive-Thru means they screw up your order and throw like one ketchup packet in the bagJan 27 21:36
DaemonFCand you don't find out until you're homeJan 27 21:36
*trmanco has quit ("Page closed")Jan 27 21:37
DaemonFCone time I had them hand me the order for the guy behind me and charge me for mineJan 27 21:39
DaemonFChe had like 3 times as much stuff as I ordered so I took it and threw the rest in the fridgeJan 27 21:39
DaemonFCI'm a dishonest opportunistJan 27 21:40
DaemonFChmmm, schestowitz, Florida is getting all the high speed rail pork from Obama's stimulusJan 27 21:41
DaemonFCnothing like shoring up a swing state with billions of dollars seized from other states, huh?Jan 27 21:42
DaemonFCthe state that needs it the least is getting itJan 27 21:42
DaemonFCpolitical maneuver, not even thinly veiledJan 27 21:43
schestowitzARPA?Jan 27 21:52
schestowitzAARP I mean?Jan 27 21:52
DaemonFCnah, though they are pretty wicked about securing porkJan 27 21:53
DaemonFCAARP has Washington seize money from my generation to give more Medicare handouts to rich old people that don't even need themJan 27 21:54
DaemonFCeven millionaires can use Medicare, schestowitzJan 27 21:54
DaemonFCit's not a needs-based programJan 27 21:54
DaemonFCschestowitz: When Bill Gates is 65, he could take Medicare if he wantedJan 27 21:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin we should try Monday...Jan 27 21:54
DaemonFCeven though millions of people under 65 who actually need it can't get itJan 27 21:55
DaemonFCthey need to make an income and asset ceiling for MedicareJan 27 21:55
DaemonFCAARP will be damned if a large chunk of their members get thrown out thoughJan 27 21:55
DaemonFCI would set a total combined income/asset limit of $350,000 for single people and $700,000 for couplesJan 27 21:57
DaemonFCif I was running the world :)Jan 27 21:57
schestowitz@_goblin we should try Monday...http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2010/01/enter-big-dragon.htmlJan 27 21:59
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schestowitzWhere had _Goblin gone....?Jan 27 21:59
schestowitz*hasJan 27 21:59
DaemonFChttp://fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/01/11/2170075.aspxJan 27 22:00
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Check that outJan 27 22:00
DaemonFCcompanies that exist on paper, make up fake patients, and bill Medicare for "services"Jan 27 22:00
DaemonFC8-)Jan 27 22:00
DaemonFCyou could cover hundreds of real people with each one of this shell companies that spring upJan 27 22:01
DaemonFC*theseJan 27 22:01
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8482880.stmJan 27 22:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Jobs did what Ballmer didn't - wow the crowd with a new product, but then, the Mac faithful are kinda sheep like with Jobs announcementsJan 27 22:01
schestowitzDaemonFC: your system is more messed up than ours....Jan 27 22:01
DaemonFCno shitJan 27 22:02
DaemonFCour system is set up to enrich the bastards who are bankrupting itJan 27 22:02
schestowitzDon't worryJan 27 22:02
schestowitzThey bought a condo in some other country by nowJan 27 22:03
schestowitzThe money goes to SwitzerlandJan 27 22:03
DaemonFCthey then funnel part of that money into campaign contributions for the politicians to give them more tax money under the guise of MedicareJan 27 22:03
DaemonFCit's a cycleJan 27 22:03
DaemonFCMedicare is FORBIDDEN to negotiate with the Pharma Cartel, schestowitzJan 27 22:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb see @davidgerard on: Apple launches #iPad for that time of iMonth http://newstechnica.com/?p=1377Jan 27 22:03
DaemonFCthey have to pay full retail price for prescriptionsJan 27 22:03
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DaemonFCthe Veterans Administration is paying half what Medicare is because they can negotiateJan 27 22:04
DaemonFCWhen I get medical coverage, they still won't pay anything, I'll be paying the premiums and my meds because they're all generic and cost less than the copayJan 27 22:05
DaemonFCthe system rewards waste, fraud, abuse, and covers those who need it least with the most coverageJan 27 22:08
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schestowitzhttp://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-ailurus-10.01.5-on-fedoraJan 27 22:22
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schestowitzDaemonFC: now they are over capacityJan 27 22:22
schestowitzFirst they brought the Chinese to build rail systemJan 27 22:23
schestowitzThen black slaves (again, as above, just the fittest)Jan 27 22:23
schestowitzNow they are enjoying immigration of not just escapees from EuropeJan 27 22:23
schestowitzThe US got a let of assets when people escapes WW2Jan 27 22:23
DaemonFCschestowitz: Rail To NowhereJan 27 22:23
schestowitzAnd used the destructionJan 27 22:23
DaemonFCyou heard it here firstJan 27 22:23
schestowitzNow the US gets overpopulated with  "unwanted" babies (abortion denounced by Christian groups)Jan 27 22:24
schestowitzSo basically there's not much left to milkJan 27 22:24
DaemonFCit's one of those pork projects that makes the liberals happy schestowitzJan 27 22:24
schestowitzThe rich class also killed the middle classJan 27 22:24
schestowitzSo no low-hanging fruitJan 27 22:24
DaemonFCthey don't want to encourage personal ownershipJan 27 22:24
schestowitzThey have turned some middle class bankrupt with their latest sub-primes.Jan 27 22:24
schestowitzANd the economy collapsedJan 27 22:24
DaemonFCtaking away peoples cars and replacing it with mass transit furthers the socialist agendaJan 27 22:24
DaemonFC;)Jan 27 22:24
schestowitzLittle left to 'feed' onJan 27 22:25
schestowitz$14tr in debtJan 27 22:25
schestowitzSorry for the typos above.. heaps of themJan 27 22:25
*schestowitz back to reading newsJan 27 22:25
DaemonFCschestowitz: Congress just authorizes themselves to spend more money we don't haveJan 27 22:26
DaemonFCevery year, like clock workJan 27 22:26
DaemonFCif I could do this, I'd be overdrawn by millions of dollars at my bank with no firm due dateJan 27 22:26
DaemonFCwith interest racking upJan 27 22:26
schestowitzhttp://blog.datamation.com/blog/2010/01/is-your-passwor.htmlJan 27 22:26
DaemonFCschestowitz: Constitutional amendment to limit military spending to a fixed percent of GDPJan 27 22:27
schestowitzDaemonFC: all that money has to be paid backJan 27 22:27
DaemonFCyet another thing we miss, sadlyJan 27 22:27
schestowitzReparations at leastJan 27 22:27
schestowitzSo you're basically mortgaging your grandchildrens' futureJan 27 22:28
DaemonFCschestowitz: At this point, I believe the US government is going to declare it is insolvent at some pointJan 27 22:28
DaemonFCand be forced to dissolve itselfJan 27 22:28
DaemonFCif the cash flow stops, the government can't continueJan 27 22:29
DaemonFCit's not really a stretchJan 27 22:29
DaemonFCI expect the state governments will put together a revised federal governmentJan 27 22:30
DaemonFChopefully the new constitution will start out by banning the kinds of behavior that caused thisJan 27 22:31
DaemonFCit may sound crazy, after all the government telling everyone it's alive and well B-)Jan 27 22:31
DaemonFCI think the government might be a little biasedJan 27 22:32
schestowitzhttp://www.thelinuxblog.com/ubuntu-unleased-2010-edition-revie/Jan 27 22:39
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schestowitzChapter XII: Yahoo!?Jan 27 22:39
schestowitz:-pJan 27 22:39
schestowitz[22:30] <DaemonFC> I expect the state governments will put together a revised federal governmentJan 27 22:40
schestowitzUSSA?Jan 27 22:40
MinceRhttp://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/23/schneier.google.hacking/index.htmlJan 27 22:42
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schestowitzMinceR: remember this? http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/linux_performance_linux_slow_bloatedJan 27 22:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Linux performance: is Linux becoming just too slow and bloated?  .::. Size~: 49.96 KBJan 27 22:47
MinceRi've looked at itJan 27 22:47
schestowitzI don't know why FSM uses many Linux-hostile headlines recentlyJan 27 22:48
schestowitzThey didn't use toJan 27 22:48
schestowitzMinceR: it's OK if 'we' put back doors in s/w, but...............Jan 27 22:48
schestowitzNever use a Chinese LinuxJan 27 22:48
schestowitzCause they might have 'their' back doorsJan 27 22:48
schestowitz"We" versus "them"Jan 27 22:48
schestowitzThink "HypocrisyJan 27 22:49
MinceRi didn't read much of that article, as when you linked it i thought it was slamming microkernelsJan 27 22:49
MinceRbut it wasn't :>Jan 27 22:49
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schestowitzgoogle was challenged to ban france (over censorship) by the guardian last weekJan 27 22:49
schestowitzHey, Chips_B_Malroy. wbJan 27 22:50
Chips_B_MalroyHi RoyJan 27 22:50
schestowitzMinceR: no, oppositeJan 27 22:50
Chips_B_Malroyare comments down these days?Jan 27 22:50
schestowitzZonker is back with us..... http://ostatic.com/blog/kde-4-4-kreeps-kloser-to-kompleteJan 27 22:50
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schestowitzNo more Novell kool-aidJan 27 22:50
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: no, why?Jan 27 22:50
Chips_B_Malroyah, I tried to leave on and its not thereJan 27 22:51
Chips_B_Malroylet me check againJan 27 22:51
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: I see.....Jan 27 22:51
schestowitzWe have auto-queue temporarily cause of a FLOOD of spamJan 27 22:51
schestowitzOtherwise we get viagr4 stuff showing up in postsJan 27 22:51
Chips_B_Malroylumpy or lin*** back again?Jan 27 22:52
schestowitz"Yeah, time to just block Yahoo itself on the router. Sorry Canonical, but I'm not going to put up with Yahoo!'s bullshit for a second just to satisfy your inability to woo over relevent companies."Jan 27 22:53
schestowitzhttp://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/01/ubuntus-default-search-engine-to-change-in-deal-with-yahoo.arsJan 27 22:53
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schestowitzNobody dares to say that  Spencer came from MicrosoftJan 27 22:53
schestowitzBut we don't know whose idea that deal wasJan 27 22:53
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100126135326412Jan 27 22:54
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schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: no, they are not "back"Jan 27 22:54
schestowitzThe linXxxxxx trolls have not raided this channel in monthsJan 27 22:54
schestowitzIn fact, we have not had a SINGLE OP in like a monthJan 27 22:54
Chips_B_Malroycurious about the yahoo ubuntu deal?  How much are they paying to do this?Jan 27 22:54
schestowitzWe needed no moderation or presence of authority to mitigate trollsJan 27 22:55
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: don't know how much they payJan 27 22:55
Chips_B_Malroyits has to be about moneyJan 27 22:55
schestowitzI can't help but feel that the MarkS departure has little to do w/ itJan 27 22:55
Chips_B_Malroybottom lineJan 27 22:55
schestowitzYesJan 27 22:56
schestowitzBut...Jan 27 22:56
schestowitzThey have externalitiesJan 27 22:56
DaemonFCschestowitz: When the NSA pushes the button, Mr. cell phone is not your friend. :)Jan 27 22:56
schestowitzUbuntu is stashing Mozilla's moneyJan 27 22:56
schestowitzThey support Mozilla's and Google's rivalJan 27 22:56
Chips_B_Malroyyes, like Gates, Shuttleworth control what goes on in his company, maybe nowhere as evil thoughJan 27 22:56
schestowitzAnd then use Firefox to take that moneyJan 27 22:56
schestowitzOiaohm brought this upJan 27 22:56
schestowitzAnd I think it's an accurate assessmentJan 27 22:56
schestowitzMozilla will get fewer bucks from Linux users nowJan 27 22:56
schestowitzIt could even turn them bitter wrt Linux usersJan 27 22:57
schestowitzThey'd say they get more revenue from Windows usersJan 27 22:57
DaemonFCand they doJan 27 22:57
Chips_B_Malroywell, Yahoo search is or is going be the hidden Bing with jus the Yahoo name correct?Jan 27 22:57
schestowitzDaemonFC: I deliberately avoid cellphonesJan 27 22:57
schestowitzFor many reasons, mainly 4Jan 27 22:57
DaemonFCschestowitz: I would revoke Ubuntu's permission to call it FirefoxJan 27 22:57
schestowitzCancer, privacy, nags, handling charges/operation nuisanceJan 27 22:58
DaemonFCmake them go BingWeaselJan 27 22:58
DaemonFC8-)Jan 27 22:58
schestowitzPeople lived fine without cellphone and so have I, except for 4 years when I used oneJan 27 22:58
schestowitzDaemonFC: BingWeasel . Heh.Jan 27 22:58
schestowitzantifeatureJan 27 22:59
schestowitzIt phones BallmerJan 27 22:59
DaemonFCinstead of the Firefox globe it has steve ballmer's head sticking his tongue out at youJan 27 22:59
Chips_B_MalroyM$ is paying many to put Bing as default, but to pay Ubuntu to make Yahoo as default is just a sneaky way to make Bing the defaultJan 27 22:59
schestowitzBallmer heard the news about it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGcJan 27 22:59
DaemonFCand it shouts "DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!!!" every time you search with Bing/YahooJan 27 23:00
schestowitzOK, let's change the subject, this is counter productiveJan 27 23:00
cubezzzyou can just set firefox to what you wantJan 27 23:00
schestowitzMost people want GoogleJan 27 23:01
cubezzzor lynx or a million other browsersJan 27 23:01
schestowitzAnd few people will change it early enoughJan 27 23:01
schestowitzThey will phone MSFT's DC firstJan 27 23:01
cubezzzsome even have blankJan 27 23:01
schestowitzUbuntu sacrificed # of users for Microsoft doshJan 27 23:01
cubezzzfor home pageJan 27 23:02
schestowitzMicrosoft pays Yahoo, pays UbuntuJan 27 23:02
Chips_B_MalroyM$ is counting on enough users to not know that Yahoo has or is becoming BingJan 27 23:02
cubezzzare they really becoming bing?Jan 27 23:02
schestowitzhttp://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6560416095.html?kc=rssJan 27 23:02
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schestowitzT'so looks funny hereJan 27 23:02
Chips_B_Malroyas Yahoo had the more trusted name and better searchJan 27 23:02
schestowitzLike some schoolbook from the 70sJan 27 23:02
Chips_B_Malroyits extension of the renaming ploy, just more dishonestJan 27 23:03
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: The deal allows Microsoft to build Yahoo search engine features into Bing, and then Yahoo uses Bing as their backendJan 27 23:04
DaemonFCYahoo probably likes the idea that there are now a few hundred jobs on the chopping blockJan 27 23:04
DaemonFCthe people writing software to power their engineJan 27 23:05
Chips_B_MalroyYahoo is dead and dieingJan 27 23:05
MinceRyahoo probably has no idea what they wantJan 27 23:05
Chips_B_MalroyYahoo's soul was its search engingJan 27 23:05
Chips_B_Malroy*engineJan 27 23:05
MinceRthey go back and forth between "we're a search company" and "we're not a search company"Jan 27 23:05
cubezzzit could end up a duopoly of search engines: google and bingJan 27 23:06
Chips_B_Malroysince they will not develop a search engine they do not use, and layoff the engineers for that, Yahoo will lose more quicklyJan 27 23:06
cubezzzalthough probably others would also exist in a smaller capacityJan 27 23:06
Chips_B_MalroyWhen Yang left, Yahoo was doomedJan 27 23:07
MinceRwe practically already have that duopolyJan 27 23:09
DaemonFCI would have sold it to MicrosoftJan 27 23:09
MinceRthe other search engines are far behindJan 27 23:09
DaemonFCnow they're just going to go bankruptJan 27 23:09
schestowitzhttp://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums?a=dl&f=174096756&x_id=mtid42075Jan 27 23:10
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cubezzzwell again, there's ask and baiduJan 27 23:10
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: Yahoo is not Yahoo! anymoreJan 27 23:10
cubezzzso no duopoly yetJan 27 23:10
schestowitzBartzmer is there to take order from Redmond, IMHOJan 27 23:10
Chips_B_Malroyhow trueJan 27 23:10
schestowitzShareholders. Ha!Jan 27 23:10
schestowitzIcahnJan 27 23:10
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/01/streamlined-honda-innova/Jan 27 23:10
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schestowitzMicrosoft showed that it is not only a "cancer" in software but online services tooJan 27 23:11
schestowitzIt killed an optionJan 27 23:11
schestowitzVery cheaply evenJan 27 23:11
Chips_B_MalroyI see the M$ quarter is to come out, is it tomorrow?Jan 27 23:11
schestowitzProxy wars and agitationJan 27 23:11
schestowitzYang was pissed offJan 27 23:11
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: wait for it........Jan 27 23:11
schestowitzThey'll conceal stuff with "Vista 7"Jan 27 23:11
schestowitzThey'll crow about how it sells better than Vista last yearJan 27 23:12
schestowitzI mean, duh!Jan 27 23:12
schestowitzBut it's a company of lies, so...Jan 27 23:12
schestowitzI'll do a proper analysisJan 27 23:12
schestowitzLast quarter Windows revenue was down 40%Jan 27 23:12
schestowitzOr profit, I can't recallJan 27 23:12
schestowitzThe Register published a lot of Google-hostile stuffJan 27 23:13
schestowitzI get mail complaining about itJan 27 23:13
schestowitzLatest one: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/27/google_toolbar_caught_transmitting_data_when_disabled/Jan 27 23:13
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Google Toolbar caught tracking users when 'disabled' • The Register .::. Size~: 22.44 KBJan 27 23:13
schestowitzThey seem to be in Microsoft's ballparkJan 27 23:13
schestowitzI don't care much for El Reg anymoreJan 27 23:13
Chips_B_MalroyMy thoughts is that MS will bouce back some when this recession is over, but it will not bounce back to previous levelsJan 27 23:15
Chips_B_Malroythose days are goneJan 27 23:16
Chips_B_Malroyeven XP users are not wanting to pay for Vista or Seven, which are bad products even compared to XPJan 27 23:16
Chips_B_Malroyits only forced on them, when they buy new laptopsJan 27 23:17
cubezzzI don't think they will bounce back very muchJan 27 23:18
schestowitzHehe. http://i.imgur.com/nUtZK.jpgJan 27 23:18
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cubezzzthe entire world is starting to reject MicrosoftJan 27 23:18
MinceRniceJan 27 23:18
cubezzzapple :)Jan 27 23:19
schestowitzhttp://syntaktisk.dk/grphcs/lunar_c03.pngJan 27 23:20
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MinceRnice featureJan 27 23:20
Chips_B_MalroyApple excels in making their software incompatable on other operating systems, even more than M$Jan 27 23:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♻ @threethirty @dbd: http://imgur.com/nUtZK.jpg -- Fake Fake Steve Jobs? #dbd #gnu #fsfJan 27 23:20
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schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8857Jan 27 23:22
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tessierDid I read something about Ubuntu switching to Yahoo/Bing for default search? WTF?Jan 27 23:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nathaniel73 Support #FOSS #Icecat free version of #firefox #ubuntu #fsfJan 27 23:22
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: in Apple's world, other operating systems matter less, I think. There are hypervisors, but Apple s/w doesn't get ported muchJan 27 23:23
MinceRyes you didJan 27 23:23
schestowitztessier: good that we have choice :-)Jan 27 23:23
schestowitzNot b/w searcj engineJan 27 23:23
schestowitzAlso distrosJan 27 23:23
Chips_B_MalroyItunes was an example of what Apple liked to break for LinuxJan 27 23:23
schestowitzgnewsense uses Google... no "phone ballmer" antifeatureJan 27 23:23
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: Linux is a huge threat to AppleJan 27 23:24
schestowitzSame uses, different priceJan 27 23:24
schestowitzNo restrictionsJan 27 23:24
schestowitzApple takes the "first they ignore you" attitudeJan 27 23:24
schestowitzCause they have low-hanging fruit (Windows users)Jan 27 23:24
Chips_B_Malroyyes, neither Apple or MS has come to terms of selling software for Linux, instead they lock Linux out at every opportunityJan 27 23:25
Chips_B_Malroynot that I would ever want to use MS softwareJan 27 23:25
schestowitzDaemonFOX: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/25/AR2010012502838.htmlJan 27 23:26
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schestowitzFakesJan 27 23:26
schestowitzhttp://www.sutor.com/c/2010/01/fixing-my-firefox-crash/Jan 27 23:28
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Fixing my Firefox crash | Blog | Bob Sutor .::. Size~: 43.98 KBJan 27 23:28
schestowitzHis blog became rather dull after OOXML carnival of crimeJan 27 23:28
Chips_B_MalroyWould have to wonder since the courts ruling that MS had to sell an Office with a different OOXML in the USA as the rest of the world, why would MS not make it worldwide?  True the patents only apply to USA and maybe Canadam, so they get away with it.  But it fractures Office 2007 file formats more.  IS the reason, so they can sell the next release of Office, as in all we be fixed?Jan 27 23:32
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1588339/london-stock-exchange-switches-linuxJan 27 23:32
schestowitzMicrosoft is losing what it built......Jan 27 23:32
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: they try to move onlineJan 27 23:32
Chips_B_Malroy*willJan 27 23:32
schestowitzOffice revenue was down VERY sharplyJan 27 23:32
schestowitzThey will not emphasise it tomorrowJan 27 23:32
schestowitzBut some people had MSO bundled with a new PCJan 27 23:33
schestowitzSo again, it'll be an improper comparisonJan 27 23:33
schestowitzhttp://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2010/01/39000-core-ubuntu-cluster-renders.htmlJan 27 23:33
phIRCe-BNcTitle: From the Canyon Edge - :-Dustin Kirkland: 35,000-Core Ubuntu Farm Renders Avatar .::. Size~: 78.75 KBJan 27 23:33
Chips_B_Malroyfew will pay for office during a depression when they can get OpenOffice, Abiword for freeJan 27 23:33
cubezzzyeah I remember the stock exchange switchJan 27 23:33
schestowitzI heard the server crashes when they used it to google something ;-)Jan 27 23:33
cubezzzright, money drives thingsJan 27 23:33
cubezzzif you can do the same thing cheaper...Jan 27 23:34
cubezzzthat's businessJan 27 23:34
schestowitzBut we need to emphaise freedomJan 27 23:34
Chips_B_Malroywonder how well XBox360 did during the Xmas seasonJan 27 23:34
schestowitzit's just proprietary companies like IBM taking the doughJan 27 23:34
schestowitzWhat you want is to sell the notions of freedomJan 27 23:34
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: seems like Microsoft is busy derailing the competition nowJan 27 23:35
schestowitzCause xbox and win32 don't do wellJan 27 23:35
Chips_B_MalroyMS is not about Freedom, they are about censorship, as in supporting China, as in BingJan 27 23:35
schestowitzThe Ubuntu news is no big dealJan 27 23:35
schestowitzCause people will move to another distroJan 27 23:35
cubezzzMicrosoft is as far from freedom as you can getJan 27 23:35
schestowitzBut that's why I say "Ubuntu GNU Linux"Jan 27 23:35
schestowitzI assume that Ubuntu can be like Mandrake one dayJan 27 23:36
schestowitzGNU has been around for over 25 yearsJan 27 23:36
schestowitzcubezzz: Apple tooJan 27 23:36
cubezzzI'm sticking with Fedora or roll my ownJan 27 23:36
schestowitzBut Microsoft is unique for other reasonsJan 27 23:36
schestowitzMicrosoft is very much into CRIMEJan 27 23:36
schestowitzIt's not just the freedom thingJan 27 23:36
DaemonFCschestowitz: regarding the FSM article, I don't think that a few percent performance impact one way or the other matters on a reasonable systemJan 27 23:36
schestowitzIt's about justice tooJan 27 23:36
DaemonFCwhy do they keep complaining about this?Jan 27 23:37
schestowitzJust the headlineJan 27 23:37
schestowitzMaking Linux look badJan 27 23:37
cubezzzpeople have to _want_ freedom at some levelJan 27 23:37
DaemonFCthey make too much of it, like to give people the idea there's been some 10% slowdown between the last few versionsJan 27 23:37
DaemonFCwhen it hasn't budged more than 2%Jan 27 23:38
cubezzzsome people work at a bank, they don't want freedom :)Jan 27 23:38
cubezzzsome people work in a tiny cubicleJan 27 23:38
Chips_B_MalroyGates is like Marcus Licinius Crassus, the richest man alive at one time.  He had a monopoly too, on the Fire Department in Rome.Jan 27 23:38
DaemonFCWindows slows down more than 2% over a 4-5 year spanJan 27 23:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Why would I go to #Facebook? There's more #web out here in the, uh, open.Jan 27 23:38
cubezzzIt's like thisJan 27 23:39
cubezzzsome people are consumersJan 27 23:39
DaemonFCVista was hell even for people that just bought the PC wit hXPJan 27 23:39
cubezzzsome people are customersJan 27 23:39
cubezzzit's a big differenceJan 27 23:39
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Licinius_CrassusJan 27 23:39
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Chips_B_Malroy"Most notorious was his acquisition of burning houses: when Crassus received word that a house was on fire, he would arrive and purchase the doomed property along with surrounding buildings for a modest sum, and then employ his army of 500 clients to put the fire out before much damage had been done."Jan 27 23:40
schestowitzcubezzz: I think Slim is richest againJan 27 23:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@daveweigel Fuck off, John Travolta. http://bit.ly/7PRvFL // couldn't put it better. Meanwhile, @MSF_USA planes get turned around by US milJan 27 23:40
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schestowitzWhat many people don't understand is that some of the world's richest people are alson the biggest criminalsJan 27 23:41
cubezzzyeah tech stocks dipped a bitJan 27 23:41
schestowitzFew manage to make a profit without stomping, suppressing and breaking lawsJan 27 23:41
schestowitzIn fact, world powers owe their power to their violenceJan 27 23:41
Chips_B_MalroyThere have been Robber Barons long before the railroadsJan 27 23:41
schestowitzMongol Hordes, Greeks, Romans, Portuguese, French, English, US...Jan 27 23:41
schestowitzhttp://defectivebydesign.org/ipadJan 27 23:42
MinceRsounds like travolta is going there to spread the lies of his cultJan 27 23:43
cubezzzdon't worry, I'm not rushing out to buy an ipad :)Jan 27 23:43
MinceRperhaps he wants to get some haitian recruits for the sea org :>Jan 27 23:44
Chips_B_MalroyCrassius greed did not know boundries, Gates seems to follow somewhat in this same type of patternJan 27 23:44
schestowitzMaybe Apple can send out cult representatives to Haiti to spread iThingsJan 27 23:44
schestowitzApple to 'pull a Travolta'Jan 27 23:44
phIRCe-BNcTitle: iPad DRM endangers our rights | DefectiveByDesign.org .::. Size~: 12.35 KBJan 27 23:44
phIRCe-BNcperhaps he wants to get some haitian recruits for the sea org :>Jan 27 23:44
phIRCe-BNcCrassius greed did not know boundries, Gates seems to follow somewhat in this same type of patternJan 27 23:44
phIRCe-BNcMaybe Apple can send out cult representatives to Haiti to spread iThingsJan 27 23:44
phIRCe-BNcApple to 'pull a Travolta'Jan 27 23:44
Chips_B_MalroyGates is just more hemmed in by the law, and has to redeem himself with PR is allJan 27 23:45
schestowitzYesJan 27 23:45
schestowitzLike others before himJan 27 23:45
schestowitzCriminals are your heroesJan 27 23:45
MinceRballmer and/or gates could do the sameJan 27 23:45
schestowitzWar is peaceJan 27 23:45
MinceRthough they can make less use of it than the clamsJan 27 23:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sign petition against iPad http://defectivebydesign.org/ipad http://bit.ly/9Q6ijpJan 27 23:45
MinceRthe clams have more use for unskilled slave laborJan 27 23:45
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/01/acorn-pimp-charged-wiretap-louisiana-senator/Jan 27 23:46
Chips_B_MalroyBallmer may be on his way out.  This quarter MS gets by with PR.  Next quarter I think they are in trouble with.Jan 27 23:46
MinceRi don't quite see what petitioning jobs to remove DRM is supposed to accomplishJan 27 23:46
MinceRjobs obviously wants DRM and obviously doesn't care what users needJan 27 23:46
MinceRand his cult will 'want' anything he tells them to and nothing he doesn't tell them toJan 27 23:47
*Tallken has quit ("Leaving")Jan 27 23:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: iPad DRM endangers our rights | DefectiveByDesign.org .::. Size~: 12.35 KBJan 27 23:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Apple launches iPad for that time of iMonth | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 38 KBJan 27 23:47
phIRCe-BNcTitle: ACORN pimp charged with trying to wiretap Louisiana senator |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 46.88 KBJan 27 23:47
schestowitzNo, it's basically the idea that you use PR to TELL users what they wanJan 27 23:47
schestowitz*WantJan 27 23:47
Chips_B_MalroyThe question is will there be more layoffs in MS as this quarter data comes out?  Notice the depressed posts from Softies at Mini, and Mini seems to have stopped bloggingJan 27 23:47
schestowitzMinceR: PR lessons......Jan 27 23:47
MinceRthe users should be enlightened so they won't purchase crApple productsJan 27 23:47
schestowitzThey create wants and needs with imagery and hypnosisJan 27 23:47
schestowitzThey can also turn criminals to heroesJan 27 23:48
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schestowitzAnd I guess criminals have more money, so...Jan 27 23:48
schestowitzI man criminal in the white-collar sideJan 27 23:48
schestowitzNot underworldJan 27 23:48
MinceRmaybe it will have a PR effect, but i find it unlikelyJan 27 23:48
Chips_B_MalroyI think that Sinosky has taken over Windows Moble Jan 27 23:49
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/2010/01/revealed-excia-agent-basically-up-waterboarding-details/Jan 27 23:49
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Chips_B_MalroyWhich means to me, that MS needs Windows CE to compete with Linux/Chrome on ARM.  Most likely this is the only reason for this, as they have lost the cell phone marketJan 27 23:50
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schestowitzhttp://rawreplaymedia.com/media/2010/1001/com_tcr_filibuster_100126b.jpgJan 27 23:50
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schestowitzWhat an insulting picJan 27 23:51
Chips_B_MalroySinosky is the guy that makes the trains run on time at M$Jan 27 23:51
schestowitzHuh?Jan 27 23:51
Chips_B_Malroysorry for the spellingJan 27 23:51
schestowitzSinosky is one of the felons in CoemsJan 27 23:51
schestowitz*COmesJan 27 23:51
Chips_B_MalroyyesJan 27 23:51
schestowitzRaids the train maybeJan 27 23:52
schestowitz"Alla'ya f*er, get out! Ladies, I'll shoot one every  hour till our demands are met..."Jan 27 23:52
Chips_B_MalroyHe got internal praise at M$ for getting Seven out on time, and formerally, OfficeJan 27 23:52
schestowitzPraise from colleagueJan 27 23:52
schestowitz*LOL*Jan 27 23:52
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: I give you praise for showing up at 11pmJan 27 23:53
MinceR'making the trains run on time' calls some associations to mind :>Jan 27 23:53
Chips_B_Malroythat fact that they took WinMo away from Back and gave it to him, there is a reason for thatJan 27 23:53
schestowitzCHeck out the comments:Jan 27 23:54
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/27/ubuntu-and-msft-search/#commentsJan 27 23:54
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Why Ubuntu GNU/Linux Should Not Make Microsoft Even Stronger | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 112.47 KBJan 27 23:54
schestowitzI hadnt' thought about itJan 27 23:54
Chips_B_Malroy*Robbie BachJan 27 23:54
schestowitzBut Ubuntu might boost Mono support nowJan 27 23:54
schestowitzTo please MicrosoftJan 27 23:54
schestowitz*ahem* I mean, to please Yahoo!Jan 27 23:54
Chips_B_MalroyBach is a disaster for M$Jan 27 23:54
schestowitzHe speaks dirtJan 27 23:54
schestowitzAnd......Jan 27 23:54
schestowitzHe is a cRIMINAL and I'll show you whyJan 27 23:55
schestowitzInside-tradingJan 27 23:55
schestowitzHe got bustedJan 27 23:55
schestowitzNever trialedJan 27 23:55
schestowitzIn Land of the Free, criminals walk away freeJan 27 23:55
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2007/07/29/robbie-bach-crime/Jan 27 23:55
phIRCe-BNcTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Robbie Bach (of Microsoft) a Criminal in a Suit .::. Size~: 28.62 KBJan 27 23:55
Chips_B_MalroySinosky at least gets out a product, and they need WinMo (really Windows CE) out to compete with Linux/Chrome on ARM.  Its not about cellphones, MS has totally blown it thereJan 27 23:55
schestowitz"Mark knows what he is doing by trying to distance his name from Canonical. He'd likely want to have his money still play a role tomorrow if the Canonical experiment doesn't work out."Jan 27 23:56
Chips_B_MalroyI am not praising Sinosky, and I agree with you Roy.  Just saying what I think M$ is up to with this Jan 27 23:56
MinceRwinmo is even less of a fit on netbooksJan 27 23:56
MinceReven though crApple tries to present the hypePad as something that has a ghost of a hope of competing with netbooksJan 27 23:57
schestowitzhttp://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/jeremy-allison-on-ooxml-standardization/Jan 27 23:57
phIRCe-BNcTitle: Jeremy Allison on OOXML standardization «  Sköne Oke .::. Size~: 17.86 KBJan 27 23:57
schestowitz"It is not. ISO is a relique of the past, physical meetings and private discussions behind closed doors is not the way standardisation should be made."Jan 27 23:57
Chips_B_MalroyJust like M$ dumped XP Home on Netbooks to keep out Linux on Mature markets like USA, they going do the same with WinMO, Win CEJan 27 23:58
Chips_B_MalroyBut they going need a better, newer, shiner CE to do that.Jan 27 23:58
Chips_B_MalroySo bring in their A team to do that.Jan 27 23:59
MinceRit will be fun to watch m$ struggling to turn wince into something that sucks less than winxpJan 27 23:59
MinceRi've heard they believe .net to be the silver bullet, lolJan 27 23:59

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