| oiaohm | If you know what is on the server no encrypted. | Jan 27 00:00 |
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| oiaohm | why do you need to break the stream. | Jan 27 00:00 |
| zoobab | you can get the IP address of the next hop, so what | Jan 27 00:00 |
| *ThistleWeb has quit ("Lost terminal") | Jan 27 00:00 | |
| oiaohm | You just need to know where the stream is going to find the user who put it there. | Jan 27 00:00 |
| oiaohm | Don't need IP from inside encryption. | Jan 27 00:00 |
| zoobab | you can't, each hop is encrypted with a different key | Jan 27 00:01 |
| oiaohm | Its not required. | Jan 27 00:01 |
| oiaohm | Each send will have a time. | Jan 27 00:01 |
| oiaohm | Something you cannot hide. | Jan 27 00:01 |
| zoobab | you can add delay | Jan 27 00:01 |
| zoobab | like with mixmaster | Jan 27 00:02 |
| oiaohm | But delay has to be verable. | Jan 27 00:02 |
| zoobab | verable? | Jan 27 00:02 |
| MinceR | variable | Jan 27 00:02 |
| oiaohm | variable | Jan 27 00:02 |
| oiaohm | And variable enough that with many samples it don't cancel out. | Jan 27 00:03 |
| zoobab | you can imagine a P2P file sharing software where your machine have a pool of encrypted swarms | Jan 27 00:03 |
| zoobab | and you don't know what you are restransmiting | Jan 27 00:03 |
| MinceR | freenet, for example | Jan 27 00:03 |
| zoobab | yes; but much simpler | Jan 27 00:03 |
| oiaohm | What basically means no matter who you are every system has a limited number number of packets you can send before you are exposed. | Jan 27 00:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] as if Haiti doesn't have enough probs, now the Scientologists are piling in: http://bit.ly/bUkJyi | Jan 27 00:03 | |
| oiaohm | If person looking for you has time data. | Jan 27 00:04 |
| phIRCe-BNc | If person looking for you has time data. | Jan 27 00:04 |
| oiaohm | LOl bot | Jan 27 00:04 |
| oiaohm | Its the time limit zoobab You can try to trick it but it will fail. The question is how much time will you buy. | Jan 27 00:05 |
| cubezzz | is there any way to write long filenames on dvd? | Jan 27 00:05 |
| cubezzz | k3b seems to always truncate down to 64 chars | Jan 27 00:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | Jan 27 00:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not a k3b problem | Jan 27 00:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: burn with the juliet+UDF option | Jan 27 00:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | its in k3b's options somewhere | Jan 27 00:06 |
| cubezzz | there's a 103 char option | Jan 27 00:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | iso9660 limits you to 8.3 case insensitive | Jan 27 00:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | rock ridge extends it to 255, but ascii only | Jan 27 00:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: thats for joliet btw | Jan 27 00:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | joliet is supposed to be limited to 64 unicode characters, but 103 works on every system tried | Jan 27 00:08 |
| cubezzz | ok that's good | Jan 27 00:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | UDF allows you to have two file systems | Jan 27 00:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, file system trees | Jan 27 00:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | iso 9660 + extensions and then UDF | Jan 27 00:08 |
| MinceR | joliet :> | Jan 27 00:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: Im pretty sure microsoft was making a prison joke somewhere | Jan 27 00:08 |
| cubezzz | I find I need more that 64 chars most of the time | Jan 27 00:09 |
| MinceR | 64 chars in a filename or in a path? | Jan 27 00:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | full path | Jan 27 00:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | iirc anyways | Jan 27 00:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: btw, enable UDF support | Jan 27 00:09 |
| oiaohm | freenet is still traceable zoobab. Uploading new content. Cannot trace using old pre existing content because it becomes impossible to get a dependable path back to uploader due to too many echos. Stuff is still time stamped in freenet | Jan 27 00:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: I only author discs with combined iso9660+rock ridge+joliet and udf | Jan 27 00:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] So I am now accused of "anger" and regarding an MS employee as the enemy? Where do I say that? I think an article an quotes from polite..... | Jan 27 00:10 | |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: maximum compatibility | Jan 27 00:10 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Jan 27 00:11 |
| cubezzz | ah, well probably full path yeah | Jan 27 00:11 |
| cubezzz | in this case | Jan 27 00:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] conversations with MS employee's is in order. I wonder why this employee thinks they are any different? | Jan 27 00:11 | |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: k3b has the options for it to feed to growisofs | Jan 27 00:11 |
| cubezzz | yeah I'm using that | Jan 27 00:12 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* HACKDOPI | Jan 27 00:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] What I don't like is being ignored. All they had to do was say "refer your points/q's to MS directly" | Jan 27 00:12 | |
| cubezzz | a dvd player that could handle mkv would be nice though | Jan 27 00:13 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: note earily with me the bot gliched | Jan 27 00:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: mine can | Jan 27 00:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: buy oppo branded stuff from now on | Jan 27 00:13 |
| MinceR | it keeps glitching that way from time to time | Jan 27 00:13 |
| cubezzz | ah, which model do you have? | Jan 27 00:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: no, I mean, oppo, as a company, supports tons of shit | Jan 27 00:13 |
| MinceR | probably it mixes up incoming messages to parse with the resulting msg to send somewhere | Jan 27 00:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: the dvd player I have (which they dont sell anymore) can do mpeg4 /w divx6 certification, several softsub types, and mkv | Jan 27 00:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | plus other random shit | Jan 27 00:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | does mp3s too | Jan 27 00:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | and sacd and dvd-audio | Jan 27 00:14 |
| oiaohm | Best system to remain annoymous is don't remain anywhere too long. zoobab so even if they trace you by the time they get there you are gone. | Jan 27 00:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: but obviously, if you buy something new, pick up one of their bluray players | Jan 27 00:15 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, how much for blu-ray blanks I wonder | Jan 27 00:15 |
| MinceR | you could also combine Mixminion with an email->web gateway | Jan 27 00:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: you dont need to burn blurays.... bluray players read DVDs too | Jan 27 00:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | or did you somehow miss that | Jan 27 00:15 |
| oiaohm | How are you defeating time. MinceR | Jan 27 00:15 |
| cubezzz | no, I new that much thanks Diablo-D3 :) | Jan 27 00:16 |
| oiaohm | How you hiding the pattern in time of your actions MinceR | Jan 27 00:16 |
| cubezzz | I still wonder if the blanks have come down in price | Jan 27 00:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: by the mixes introducing variable delays, mixing the order of messages to relay before it reaches the gateway | Jan 27 00:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: like $5 if you buy in large bulk | Jan 27 00:16 |
| oiaohm | All you are doing is making it a little longer to trace MinceR | Jan 27 00:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: I dont care until Taiyo Yuden starts shipping anyhow | Jan 27 00:16 |
| oiaohm | The limit is always there MinceR | Jan 27 00:16 |
| cubezzz | I have the hdtv now so I guess a blu-ray is in the cards | Jan 27 00:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: yeah, I bought a bluray when I bought my TV | Jan 27 00:17 |
| oiaohm | Tricking paterns in time is an extreamly hard thing todo MinceR | Jan 27 00:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: it sucks Taiyo Yuden isnt selling bd-rs yet | Jan 27 00:17 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: not if i'm also generating other traffic and the web sites also get other traffic | Jan 27 00:18 |
| oiaohm | Time following works against all forms of delays. Including smail mail created delays MinceR | Jan 27 00:18 |
| cubezzz | I assume you worked out the price per gig on dvd vs blu-ray? | Jan 27 00:18 |
| MinceR | btw, not even the forum timestamp attack will work on a high-traffic forum | Jan 27 00:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it was heavly tested against all forms of delays. | Jan 27 00:19 |
| MinceR | my request can be paired up with many posts then -- which one is mine? | Jan 27 00:19 |
| oiaohm | Best way is if lets say server posts all messages for the day at once MinceR | Jan 27 00:19 |
| oiaohm | Time tracing can still work against that. | Jan 27 00:20 |
| MinceR | how? | Jan 27 00:20 |
| oiaohm | Each day you post a message. | Jan 27 00:20 |
| cubezzz | a separate burner would be nice too come to think of it | Jan 27 00:20 |
| oiaohm | compare messages sent on that day. | Jan 27 00:20 |
| oiaohm | Keep on filtering out eveyrone who did not post a message that day. | Jan 27 00:20 |
| oiaohm | Sooner or latter you find the person you are looking for MinceR | Jan 27 00:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: verbatim can go as low as $2.90 per disc, or 12 cents a gb | Jan 27 00:21 |
| oiaohm | This is the power of time data even a small bit can bring you un done. | Jan 27 00:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: TY when they come out with theirs will be around the same price | Jan 27 00:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: thats in a 10 pack of discs, btw | Jan 27 00:21 |
| oiaohm | To make time tracing not work you start talking some insane delays MinceR. | Jan 27 00:22 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: what if the forum posts new messages every minute but with random delays of up to 24*60 cycles? | Jan 27 00:23 |
| oiaohm | I just have to use a time filter with a larger window. MinceR | Jan 27 00:23 |
| oiaohm | Then the delay. | Jan 27 00:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: in a 600 pack of TY DVD+R, its 7 cents a GB | Jan 27 00:23 |
| *_Goblin has quit ("Lost terminal") | Jan 27 00:23 | |
| MinceR | the delay can bump the message from one window to the next | Jan 27 00:23 |
| cubezzz | ah so it's cheaper to use dvd+r | Jan 27 00:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: its about 8 cents in 100 packs | Jan 27 00:24 |
| oiaohm | That delay has a fixed max size right MinceR | Jan 27 00:24 |
| MinceR | it seems you'd need a window that's at least 2x as big as the maximum delay | Jan 27 00:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: and btw, go with dvd+r over dvd-r for quality reasons | Jan 27 00:24 |
| oiaohm | So as long as my window for compare is the max size. MinceR | Jan 27 00:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: yes, bluray has a premium, but thats not why you go with bluray | Jan 27 00:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: its the data size thing | Jan 27 00:24 |
| oiaohm | Sooner or latter target will filter out with enough messages MinceR | Jan 27 00:24 |
| MinceR | well, it could have a distribution that allows for extreme delays with low probabilities, but i'm not sure if that's worth it | Jan 27 00:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: single layer dvd+r over bd-r means 5 times more discs | Jan 27 00:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: dl has too much of a price premium to be worth it | Jan 27 00:25 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem once you start defeating time tracing. You basically destroy it as a message system MinceR | Jan 27 00:25 |
| oiaohm | Ie too much random lag to use as a message system MinceR | Jan 27 00:26 |
| MinceR | what if it randomly drops messages? | Jan 27 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: and btw, as I said, I wont switch to bluray until taiyo tuden starts producing bd-rs | Jan 27 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Losing data does make time tracing harder. MinceR | Jan 27 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Again that has the price of bandwidth. MinceR | Jan 27 00:27 |
| MinceR | what if i send requests more often than i send messages? then the sender side will see "messages" all the time even if i'm not posting | Jan 27 00:27 |
| cubezzz | yeah there's no rush | Jan 27 00:27 |
| MinceR | same with every other sender | Jan 27 00:27 |
| cubezzz | this oppo stuff looks expensive though | Jan 27 00:27 |
| MinceR | after all everyone is going to use the web for more than one thing | Jan 27 00:27 |
| oiaohm | By you sending junk it makes time tracing quesiton if or if you are the target. MinceR | Jan 27 00:28 |
| MinceR | i don't understand that | Jan 27 00:28 |
| oiaohm | The junk data means time tracing takes longer to get a lock MinceR | Jan 27 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Does not stop it from getting a lock MinceR | Jan 27 00:28 |
| MinceR | sure, well beyond the life expectancy of the universe | Jan 27 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Jan 27 00:28 |
| oiaohm | if everyone else has been filtered out and you are still the only one left. Tracer can disregard the junk MinceR | Jan 27 00:29 |
| MinceR | imagine 256 participants sending several requests every day, some of those being messages to the forum, which posts new messages once every day | Jan 27 00:29 |
| MinceR | then you see a lot of requests going out with the occasional message appearing on the forum | Jan 27 00:29 |
| oiaohm | People get sick poeple miss days. systems fails MinceR | Jan 27 00:29 |
| oiaohm | These all do create markers in a time trace MinceR | Jan 27 00:30 |
| MinceR | 012557 < MinceR> sure, well beyond the life expectancy of the universe | Jan 27 00:30 |
| oiaohm | So far the best system of avoid time trace only gives you 4 years MinceR | Jan 27 00:31 |
| oiaohm | And that is 1 month delays. | Jan 27 00:31 |
| MinceR | if i run a node, that makes it even easier for me to hide my traffic | Jan 27 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Remember noise filters out against a time trace MinceR | Jan 27 00:32 |
| oiaohm | Running a node makes very little difference. It no different to sending junk packets. | Jan 27 00:32 |
| MinceR | that depends on the characteristics of the noise | Jan 27 00:32 |
| MinceR | it is very different to sending junk packets, because it also involves receiving non-junk packets and forwarding them | Jan 27 00:33 |
| MinceR | nodes could also pass and drop junk packets | Jan 27 00:33 |
| oiaohm | To a time trace you forwarding non releated packacts to what is being traced that data is just junk data no wanted. | Jan 27 00:33 |
| MinceR | then you can't tell which node a packet comes from even if you're counting incoming and outgoing packets | Jan 27 00:33 |
| oiaohm | Only way you could use a node is that when you pick up a particular user sending you a packet send you packet off at the same time. | Jan 27 00:34 |
| oiaohm | So giving two possiable people for message. | Jan 27 00:34 |
| MinceR | that would be a good idea | Jan 27 00:34 |
| oiaohm | Not 1. | Jan 27 00:34 |
| oiaohm | But the time trace would still say you are the possiable message sender. | Jan 27 00:34 |
| MinceR | then the next node could randomly pair it up with another packet | Jan 27 00:34 |
| MinceR | and so on | Jan 27 00:35 |
| oiaohm | could not be random. | Jan 27 00:35 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem. | Jan 27 00:35 |
| MinceR | why not? | Jan 27 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Time trace is designed to filter against random. | Jan 27 00:35 |
| MinceR | if the traffic is high enough, each node can be expected to be forwarding multiple messages at a give ntime | Jan 27 00:35 |
| MinceR | that's randomness in time, not randomness in association between messages. | Jan 27 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Only thing that can screw a time trace is not random. | Jan 27 00:36 |
| oiaohm | But then it still produces a list of possiables. | Jan 27 00:36 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron_(hacker) | Jan 27 00:36 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 27 00:36 |
| MinceR | time trace can filter out randomness in time, not other kinds of randomness | Jan 27 00:36 |
| oiaohm | You are not getting how it undoes you. | Jan 27 00:37 |
| MinceR | or am i? | Jan 27 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Ie 1 person send packet today it get combinded with you. | Jan 27 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Time trace knows that 1 person and you sent packet today. | Jan 27 00:37 |
| oiaohm | So if that 1 person does not send packet with you another. | Jan 27 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Hello split. | Jan 27 00:38 |
| oiaohm | If you are random it is simple for time data to be used to sort out who could and who could not. | Jan 27 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Removing random makes the process of spliting harder. | Jan 27 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Never impossiable MinceR | Jan 27 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Basically if you want to see inside encryption is hard if you want to see who is talking to who it simple. | Jan 27 00:40 |
| oiaohm | Kinda important to know who is talking to who for attacking a country to work out the best repeating stations to take out. | Jan 27 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Time tracing was design in world war two where would be the best places to bomb. | Jan 27 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Other thing that can make it harder is if person doing the time trace does not know if you are 1 or many people using the same handle. MinceR | Jan 27 00:43 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 27 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Basically shared handles | Jan 27 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Moving around | Jan 27 00:44 |
| oiaohm | They are the two most effect things against a time trace. | Jan 27 00:44 |
| oiaohm | But even moving around can come unstuck. | Jan 27 00:44 |
| MinceR | if it's a public forum where i need anonymity, posts might as well appear completely anonymously | Jan 27 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Problem with tor is a lot of people make the stupid mistake of using a handel that is not annomous | Jan 27 00:45 |
| oiaohm | So making a time trace functional simpler. | Jan 27 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Yet most people want to use a idenifitable handle so they can get trust for providing dependable information. | Jan 27 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Basically time tracing has you walled in MinceR | Jan 27 00:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] As much as I would like to wait and see if I do indeed get an apology or retraction from the MS staff member, I have to go to bed. Its late | Jan 27 00:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I will take this up again tomorrow. Good night all. | Jan 27 00:48 | |
| oiaohm | time tracing is basically could this persons time of sent messages be the person I am possible looking for when compared to the time data of the messages wanting to know if they are the owner of. MinceR. | Jan 27 00:49 |
| MinceR | if the anonymizer network is good enough, it seems to basically burn down to whether someone could have sent a given message given when they had a connection at all | Jan 27 00:49 |
| MinceR | s/burn/boil/ | Jan 27 00:50 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem tricking time tracing/comparing is basically impossiable to do 100 percent. | Jan 27 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Particularly if the tracer can find out what kinds of delays the anonymizer network is adding. | Jan 27 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Thinking the tracer is normally allowed to use the network as well. | Jan 27 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Its all time tracing is working out. Could you have sent the messages. Ie you normally need more than 1 message to lock down to a person MinceR | Jan 27 00:53 |
| MinceR | if some of the participants occasionally switch ISPs, that can make things a lot more difficult | Jan 27 00:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @aisforalexander @diablocody Travolta flew his 707 to Haiti with 6 tons of supplies // and a few tons of Scientologist missionaries | Jan 27 00:53 | |
| oiaohm | Ie moving. | Jan 27 00:54 |
| MinceR | (say, if i sometimes use GPRS instead of cable) | Jan 27 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Fixed location makes time tracing faster. | Jan 27 00:54 |
| MinceR | (not from the same physical location) | Jan 27 00:54 |
| oiaohm | The moving makes time tracing a lot harder. | Jan 27 00:54 |
| oiaohm | If you were always using different connections and never used the same connection twice. A time trace normally would not be able to lock down. | Jan 27 00:55 |
| oiaohm | But most people don't have the resources todo that. | Jan 27 00:56 |
| MinceR | gn | Jan 27 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Even worse is if I know that your phone and cable own to you MinceR | Jan 27 00:56 |
| oiaohm | So changing them makes no difference. | Jan 27 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Ie all your data goes into one set to remove or focus on you. | Jan 27 00:57 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 27 00:57 |
| MinceR | but now i need sleep | Jan 27 00:57 |
| MinceR | (hm, sounds like a good reason for open wifi) | Jan 27 00:58 |
| schestowitz | Can anyone recommend some online videos that are good? I'm getting sick of watching hours of lecture (biology, chemisty, atronomy...) | Jan 27 01:02 |
| schestowitz | here is one of the minds behind the meltdown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PaN9M4WwHw | Jan 27 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Some people still think that microkernels would be lighter, which is not true (message-passing bloat) http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/linux_performance_linux_slow_bloated | Jan 27 01:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Linux performance: is Linux becoming just too slow and bloated? .::. Size~: 49.91 KB | Jan 27 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | Chrome 4 blah de blah | Jan 27 01:08 |
| sebsebseb | it's out | Jan 27 01:08 |
| sebsebseb | it's better than Firefox apparantly it's faster | Jan 27 01:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR you'll like this one maybe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYQRzXd1UvQ another prophetic one about European Union and NAFTA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M5GK9Na8KU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFPsHPKY0y8&NR=1 | Jan 27 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | oh and guess what Mac and Linux versions still in developmetn | Jan 27 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Notice how Clintojn escapes the question... | Jan 27 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | yeah just read about it since the Suse fan boy, well I like most of this guys articles, but yeah he likes Suse a lot. http://blogs.computerworld.com/15480/chrome_4_king_of_the_web_browser_hill | Jan 27 01:09 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Chrome 4: King of the Web browser hill? - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 136.71 KB | Jan 27 01:09 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: like Google | Jan 27 01:09 |
| schestowitz | It's all beta | Jan 27 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | Google is over hyped | Jan 27 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Beta Google | Jan 27 01:09 |
| schestowitz | They should be renamd Boogle | Jan 27 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | over hyped like Ubuntu really :D | Jan 27 01:09 |
| schestowitz | No | Jan 27 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Google has many servers for search | Jan 27 01:10 |
| schestowitz | So they have extensive and pages indexed well | Jan 27 01:10 |
| schestowitz | They are simply better indexes | Jan 27 01:10 |
| sebsebseb | anyway Google being over hyped can work out for us sometimes, us as in opensource/freesoftware people, however well take Android for example, most of their customers won't really know what they are running | Jan 27 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Refined by spying on users over the years | Jan 27 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Don't worr | Jan 27 01:10 |
| sebsebseb | same for when that Chrome OS comes out later this year I expect | Jan 27 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will soon be able to spy on Ubuntu users | Jan 27 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will data-mine and profile all those GNU/Linux users and what they search for (think) | Jan 27 01:11 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I am not following | Jan 27 01:12 |
| sebsebseb | or simpally I don't understand what your trying to say | Jan 27 01:13 |
| schestowitz | The Bong deal | Jan 27 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | Bing deal? | Jan 27 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | that's Yahoo | Jan 27 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | not Google | Jan 27 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | Yahoo will use Bing or whatever it was | Jan 27 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: anyway better to support Firefox, Seamonkey, and Thunderbird, since they are the remains of Netscape, which nearly died at the clutches of nasty Internet Explorer Windows bundleing in | Jan 27 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | and then AOL pulled the plug after a few versions based on Mozilla | Jan 27 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | RIP Netscape | Jan 27 01:18 |
| schestowitz | Intresting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ncLTFoTFa8 | Jan 27 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Jan 2008 iirc | Jan 27 01:23 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: I'm not talking about browsers though | Jan 27 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Haha. http://twitter.com/jonobacon/statuses/8252004851 | Jan 27 01:24 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Twitter / Jono Bacon: @schestowitz Untrue. Yahoo ... .::. Size~: 10.52 KB | Jan 27 01:24 |
| schestowitz | jono: truth is not a "conspiracy theory" | Jan 27 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo search will be offshored to Bong[sic] | Jan 27 01:25 |
| schestowitz | That's a fact | Jan 27 01:25 |
| schestowitz | COnpiracy? | Jan 27 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Sure. | Jan 27 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yes you were on about search I know | Jan 27 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft conspire with Bartz & party | Jan 27 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Theory? | Jan 27 01:25 |
| schestowitz | No, it's confirmed | Jan 27 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | Yahoo search going bye bye to be replaced by Bing | Jan 27 01:25 |
| schestowitz | THe EU has deadline for approval (due by Feb 09) | Jan 27 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | hrm | Jan 27 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | well I read something about that before | Jan 27 01:25 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: starting with the US | Jan 27 01:26 |
| schestowitz | But they talk about expanding it /already/ | Jan 27 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo won't have a reason to maintain it without the US userbase | Jan 27 01:26 |
| sebsebseb | Internet is meant to belong to us the "user" | Jan 27 01:26 |
| sebsebseb | ,but the companies have taken it over | Jan 27 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 27 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Not quite | Jan 27 01:26 |
| schestowitz | The search is | Jan 27 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Gateways | Jan 27 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Europe funded some Google rivalry | Jan 27 01:27 |
| schestowitz | It was pretty much abandoned | Jan 27 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Cause nothing was said about it in almost 2 years | Jan 27 01:27 |
| schestowitz | Search is an indexer | Jan 27 01:27 |
| schestowitz | A bit like Web Archive | Jan 27 01:27 |
| schestowitz | It's like giving ICANN authority to companies | Jan 27 01:27 |
| schestowitz | I'm disappointed by jono publicly tying me to terms that are insulting ("conspiracy theory") | Jan 27 01:28 |
| schestowitz | I stated facts | Jan 27 01:29 |
| cubezzz | some theories are correct :) | Jan 27 01:31 |
| schestowitz | This is not a theory | Jan 27 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft and Yahoo issued a press release | Jan 27 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it was undiplomatic | Jan 27 01:32 |
| schestowitz | I'll write about the Yahoo! thing later | Jan 27 01:32 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: you seem to mainly focus on the negative side in your blog enteries, I haven't read many | Jan 27 01:33 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: maybe you should do this one both sides, positive and negatives | Jan 27 01:33 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/schestowitz/statuses/8259671913 "@jonobacon what I argue is factual, please don't resort to labels and namecalling. Also see http://ur1.ca/kqr9" | Jan 27 01:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Twitter / Roy Schestowitz: @jonobacon what I argue is ... .::. Size~: 10.54 KB | Jan 27 01:34 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Microsoft Hijack of Yahoo - Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 38.14 KB | Jan 27 01:34 |
| sebsebseb | why it's a good thing for Yahoo, or why it might not be. that kind of thing | Jan 27 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pays Yahoo! to pass over the requests | Jan 27 01:34 |
| schestowitz | The EU will be lobbies viciously to approve | Jan 27 01:34 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: of course | Jan 27 01:34 |
| schestowitz | As RMS puts it, we need to address the problems | Jan 27 01:35 |
| schestowitz | I put in daily links things that do not need correction | Jan 27 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Triumph | Jan 27 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Say you have a student... | Jan 27 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Do you go through his/her work by saying how wonderfully x y and z was done or do you point out place for improvement? | Jan 27 01:35 |
| schestowitz | The perserverence in correction is a good sign | Jan 27 01:35 |
| schestowitz | it means you care | Jan 27 01:35 |
| schestowitz | It's when you stop correcting that you may have given up... | Jan 27 01:36 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: also I like hemour in reading, I tend to get that in Steven J. Vaghen nicholas's articles, but the ones I read of yours no not quite | Jan 27 01:36 |
| jono | schestowitz I apologized already for that | Jan 27 01:36 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, but it makes it look sarcastic | Jan 27 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw does that too sometimes... with simley faces and all.. | Jan 27 01:37 |
| schestowitz | It looks informal and not as reliable, IMHO | Jan 27 01:37 |
| schestowitz | jono: no worries :-) | Jan 27 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: depends on how it's done, but that SJVN guy, well most of his articles are pretty good | Jan 27 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | he is my favourite Linux and that news authour | Jan 27 01:37 |
| cubezzz | Is it a conspiracy though :) | Jan 27 01:37 |
| schestowitz | jono: it just seems like you try putting on me a label, but maybe I was presumpous to assume you did this | Jan 27 01:38 |
| schestowitz | I'm very much pro-facts and against presumptous that lack any evidence | Jan 27 01:38 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: Yahoo and Microsoft - yes | Jan 27 01:38 |
| schestowitz | They did conspire | Jan 27 01:38 |
| schestowitz | ballmer and Bartz were reportedly chatting for months | Jan 27 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Bartz demanded more privacy | Jan 27 01:39 |
| jono | schestowitz I apologise, I never meant to infer that | Jan 27 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft also communiated with Icahn | Jan 27 01:39 |
| schestowitz | jono: the EU could still block the deal, but I doubt it | Jan 27 01:40 |
| schestowitz | They might 'mitigate' it | Jan 27 01:40 |
| cubezzz | google is pretty strong though | Jan 27 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Like they squeezed formal promises out of ORCL | Jan 27 01:40 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well Google could do with some more competition in search | Jan 27 01:40 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Jan 27 01:40 |
| sebsebseb | what about Ask and Lycos if they still exist? | Jan 27 01:40 |
| sebsebseb | and you know smaller search engines like that | Jan 27 01:40 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: that's not the point | Jan 27 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Google hosted Ubuntu conferences | Jan 27 01:40 |
| cubezzz | altavista is still around | Jan 27 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Google also contributes to Linux | Jan 27 01:40 |
| schestowitz | WHat does Microsoft do? | Jan 27 01:40 |
| schestowitz | It spies on users | Jan 27 01:40 |
| schestowitz | It makes dossiers | Jan 27 01:41 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: I think someone told me before that altavista is owned by Yahoo now and has been for quite a while | Jan 27 01:41 |
| schestowitz | It attacks Linux companies with lawsuits | Jan 27 01:41 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: or something like that | Jan 27 01:41 |
| schestowitz | It calls Linux cancer, etc etc | Jan 27 01:41 |
| schestowitz | Linux does not compete in search | Jan 27 01:41 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well Microsoft have contributed to the Linux kernel before | Jan 27 01:41 |
| schestowitz | So the Google monopoly is less of a competitive issue _to Ubuntu_ | Jan 27 01:41 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: hahahah1 | Jan 27 01:42 |
| schestowitz | They didn't | Jan 27 01:42 |
| schestowitz | They violated the GPL | Jan 27 01:42 |
| schestowitz | And they put a Trojan in Linux | Jan 27 01:42 |
| schestowitz | A driver for their proprietary wares | Jan 27 01:42 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Jan 27 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Which favour Microsoft tax on Linux | Jan 27 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Read Groklaw or BN about it | Jan 27 01:42 |
| sebsebseb | Google privay issues and such, but yeah they do stuff for open source as well | Jan 27 01:42 |
| schestowitz | The PR story (lie) was all different | Jan 27 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Some gullible people swallowed it | Jan 27 01:42 |
| cubezzz | ok, what is the main search engine after yahoo, bing and google then? | Jan 27 01:42 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is still a marketing company, so...... | Jan 27 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: ask geeves? | Jan 27 01:43 |
| schestowitz | ANd Ramji.... that weasel.. he quit | Jan 27 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | ask.com | Jan 27 01:43 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: ask Gavin :-) | Jan 27 01:43 |
| schestowitz | Jeeves | Jan 27 01:43 |
| schestowitz | Just Ask. They renamed | Jan 27 01:43 |
| schestowitz | I think they renamed again | Jan 27 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.ask.com | Jan 27 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | no bot again? | Jan 27 01:44 |
| cubezzz | and baidu of course | Jan 27 01:44 |
| cubezzz | I bet that is pretty big | Jan 27 01:44 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: the chinese one? | Jan 27 01:44 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: in CHina | Jan 27 01:44 |
| schestowitz | I think they have over 50% | Jan 27 01:44 |
| cubezzz | yes | Jan 27 01:44 |
| schestowitz | Maybe just under 50% | Jan 27 01:44 |
| schestowitz | It changes | Jan 27 01:44 |
| schestowitz | But we in the West ignore China | Jan 27 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | Yahoo what have they done for open sourcE? | Jan 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | They are just "our manufacturing slaves" | Jan 27 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | anything? | Jan 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Only they'll actually rule the world soon | Jan 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Eastophobia | Jan 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: a lot | Jan 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | BSD, PHP being good example | Jan 27 01:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft harms PHP and BSD among other things by attacking Yahoo!'s business | Jan 27 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Since Feb 2008 | Jan 27 01:46 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh? anyway if they done a lot for open source, why are they making deals with what some would call "the software devil" | Jan 27 01:46 |
| schestowitz | So it's a two-way strike | Jan 27 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Zimba was passed to the criminal, Maritz | Jan 27 01:46 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: they didn't make the deal | Jan 27 01:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft hijacked them | Jan 27 01:46 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_Hijack_of_Yahoo | Jan 27 01:46 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft did what's called "proxy wat" | Jan 27 01:47 |
| schestowitz | *war | Jan 27 01:47 |
| schestowitz | It filled Yahoo with its cronies | Jan 27 01:47 |
| schestowitz | It's a manoeuvre done in politics too | Jan 27 01:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ncLTFoTFa8 | Jan 27 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Here he speaks abut taking over the Republican party for example | Jan 27 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo! slammed Microsoft as an "agitator" | Jan 27 01:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/7075698/China-to-lead-world-scientific-research-by-2020.html | Jan 27 01:48 |
| schestowitz | Baidu ftw? | Jan 27 01:48 |
| cubezzz | maybe | Jan 27 01:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @techdirt: Bev Stayart Sues Yahoo Again For Violating Her Privacy Rights http://dlvr.it/skK | Jan 27 01:50 | |
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| schestowitz | The man responsible for corporate takeover of life (one among several): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl_qwo2VIlU | Jan 27 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Boy you have to give it to tom from the blender foundation. He takes a holiday for 2 weeks. 1 week its a trip. 2 week he implements drag and drop in blender. | Jan 27 01:53 |
| oiaohm | Most likely he is too business running the foundation to code. | Jan 27 01:53 |
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| schestowitz | Massive Tzunami of Home Defaults Coming or How to Rob America Blind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlDYCAAiS2I&NR=1&feature=fvwp | Jan 27 01:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvzsiESqVss&NR=1 | Jan 27 02:07 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIuimjehBvo&NR=1&feature=fvwp Jesse Jackson Explains Remarks | Jan 27 02:13 |
| sebsebseb | uh someone wanting Firefox 3.6 on Ubuntu, etc. anyway uhmmm shame they don't provide really popular package such as Firefox and Open Office, as an update from the offical repo's | Jan 27 02:14 |
| sebsebseb | so loads of people don't do ppa's instead | Jan 27 02:14 |
| sebsebseb | also after a year a version of Firefox that comes with Ubuntu, is already pretty old | Jan 27 02:14 |
| sebsebseb | espesailly now it seems, with the new way they are going to be doing Firefox | Jan 27 02:15 |
| sebsebseb | or not since those updates will come with the security update hrm | Jan 27 02:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBVYr0WWuhw&NR=1 | Jan 27 02:15 |
| *cubezzz2 is now known as cubezzz | Jan 27 02:18 | |
| schestowitz | Nas blasts FOX. *LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7kMM_QVqQk&feature=channel Even he know what they are up to | Jan 27 02:21 |
| cubezzz | ha, found you | Jan 27 02:24 |
| cubezzz | can anyone play this: | Jan 27 02:27 |
| cubezzz | rtmp://cp32049.live.edgefcs.net/live/2010_ausradio@18322 | Jan 27 02:27 |
| schestowitz | what protocol is this? | Jan 27 02:27 |
| cubezzz | Real Time Messaging Protocol | Jan 27 02:28 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm getting a newer car :) | Jan 27 02:40 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hrm | Jan 27 02:40 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010012600535MMSWUB | Jan 27 02:40 |
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| DaemonFC | I found a reasonably priced 2003 Ford Taurus I'm going to probably do the paperwork on tomorrow | Jan 27 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | replacing my 1995 | Jan 27 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | This AAC encoder in Winamp is lulzy, Coding Technologies totally left out VBR in favor of constant bit rate with the bit reservoir | Jan 27 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's very deceiving, because it's really ABR while it looks like CBR | Jan 27 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | I have no idea why they did that | Jan 27 02:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Monbiot calls for Blair's arrest. AT LAST. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jan/25/bounty-blair-war-criminal-chilcot #iraq #war | Jan 27 02:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] http://www.arrestblair.org – to raise money as a reward for people attempting a citizen's arrest of the former PM http://bit.ly/4QB8OQ #iraq | Jan 27 03:05 | |
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| schestowitz | It'll never happen, but the publicity this generates will cost Blair his chances in EU candidacy | Jan 27 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Hang him | Jan 27 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | have a trial first and then hang him | Jan 27 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | same thing needs to be done with Bush | Jan 27 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | Obama to announce gimmicky (partial) spending freeze which amounts to about 1/50th of the current federal deficit by 2020 | Jan 27 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | woot! | Jan 27 03:18 |
| schestowitz | I guess based on their own rules | Jan 27 03:18 |
| schestowitz | Nuremberg trial | Jan 27 03:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Obama is not as bad as McBush would have been | Jan 27 03:18 |
| schestowitz | It's not a total loss | Jan 27 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | everyone who had a hand in it should by tried and hanged by the neck until dead if convicted, schestowitz | Jan 27 03:18 |
| schestowitz | He's not a strong link in his party though | Jan 27 03:19 |
| schestowitz | He's young | Jan 27 03:19 |
| schestowitz | He was selected, not elected | Jan 27 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | one standard when the Nazis did it, and another standard when the Coalition of the Drilling do it | Jan 27 03:19 |
| schestowitz | The Nazis did worse things | Jan 27 03:19 |
| schestowitz | Much worse | Jan 27 03:19 |
| schestowitz | Himler and others | Jan 27 03:19 |
| schestowitz | Eichman | Jan 27 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | you can't let a murderer go because Ted Bundy and Charles Manson were "worse" | Jan 27 03:20 |
| schestowitz | But the principal issue is that there is severe (war-like) punishment for war criminals | Jan 27 03:20 |
| schestowitz | Some of these murderers were smarter than US presidents like Bush and Nixon | Jan 27 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, you can't just say the Nazi's were better at being war criminals, so it excuses the neocons now | Jan 27 03:20 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/2010/01/25/so-long-and-thanks-for-all-the-geekos/ | Jan 27 03:21 |
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| schestowitz | Saddam murdered many people | Jan 27 03:21 |
| schestowitz | Like Kurds | Jan 27 03:21 |
| schestowitz | He was hanged for it | Jan 27 03:21 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Novell community manager leaving | Jan 27 03:21 |
| schestowitz | But the law applies in one direction usually | Jan 27 03:22 |
| schestowitz | Depending on who's the dominant force | Jan 27 03:22 |
| schestowitz | Post WW2 it was Stalin, Churchill, Roosevelt, etc. | Jan 27 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20100126/BIZ/301269948/1031/BIZ | Jan 27 03:22 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: I wrote about it last night | Jan 27 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | Grand Moff Burton was here today | Jan 27 03:22 |
| *DaemonFC pukes | Jan 27 03:22 | |
| *schestowitz passed barf bag | Jan 27 03:22 | |
| DaemonFC | Dan Burton, the guy that said we should pull up off the "coast of Bolivia" | Jan 27 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | and declare war on them | Jan 27 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | all class | Jan 27 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Burton#.22..._off_the_coast_of_Bolivia.22 | Jan 27 03:24 |
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| DaemonFC | "On March 29, 1995, during congressional hearings on the US War on Drugs, Burton proclaimed that the US military "should place an aircraft carrier off the coast of Bolivia and crop dust the coca fields." It was later pointed out to him that a) Bolivia is landlocked and has no coast (Burton was chairman of the Western Hemisphere Subcommittee); b) the Bolivian coca fields (in the yungas and Amazon lowlands) are beyond the r | Jan 27 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | his finest moment | Jan 27 03:24 |
| schestowitz | Bolivia... | Jan 27 03:24 |
| schestowitz | Another victim of the US | Jan 27 03:24 |
| schestowitz | They now have a good president | Jan 27 03:24 |
| schestowitz | The elites/oligarchs hate him | Jan 27 03:25 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't serve the greedy bunch | Jan 27 03:25 |
| schestowitz | And he's friends with Chavez | Jan 27 03:25 |
| schestowitz | What the US called "axis of evil" or whatever | Jan 27 03:25 |
| schestowitz | They try to associate them with Iran | Jan 27 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Burton's son also got busted with lots of drugs and illegal weapons after Burton said all drug dealers should be executed | Jan 27 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | and the charges are suddenly dropped on his son | Jan 27 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmmm | Jan 27 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, there's nothing good about him | Jan 27 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | he misses over 70% of the votes while playing golf | Jan 27 03:27 |
| schestowitz | You should have gone in to question him about it | Jan 27 03:27 |
| schestowitz | You have a good voice.. would intimidate him | Jan 27 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | the golf outings are sponsored by cartels like big pharma | Jan 27 03:27 |
| schestowitz | If you ask the question correctly, you leave 0 wiggling room | Jan 27 03:27 |
| schestowitz | It's a lot to do with how it's asked | Jan 27 03:28 |
| schestowitz | They have defences (dodge routes | Jan 27 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: He also gets re-elected with unassailable margins every 2 years | Jan 27 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | this district is heavily gerrymandered | Jan 27 03:28 |
| sebsebseb | stuff about if Micrsoft disappears http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010012602135OPBZ | Jan 27 03:28 |
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| DaemonFC | the Democrats put him in power by drawing this district so as to trap all the Republican voters | Jan 27 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | They should assign him to the Neurotic Assclown Committee | Jan 27 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 27 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They never publicize where they'll be, makes it hard to heckle them, that's the point | Jan 27 03:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Revers[ing] the brainwash Windows has done" http://ur1.ca/kqw8 http://ur1.ca/kqw9 | Jan 27 03:31 | |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: what's the original about? | Jan 27 03:34 |
| schestowitz | I can't browse now | Jan 27 03:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Foundation Offers Training, #Linux Gets New #XGI Contributions http://ur1.ca/kqwf http://ur1.ca/kqwg | Jan 27 03:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 9.10 #GNU #Linux "Evolution" and Second-line Support http://ur1.ca/kqy4 http://ur1.ca/kqy5 | Jan 27 04:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Smartphones with #Linux : Control in the Hands of Users Common (Root Access) http://ur1.ca/kqyd | Jan 27 04:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Unaffected by Economic Meltdown (Financial Frauds) http://ur1.ca/kqyg | Jan 27 04:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] As Sun Gets Sold #PostgreSQL Takes Advantage http://ur1.ca/kqyq http://ur1.ca/kqyr | Jan 27 04:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox Gets Lighter, What #Mozilla Can Inherit from #Google http://ur1.ca/kqz1 http://ur1.ca/kqz3 | Jan 27 04:18 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Procter & Gamble Chooses #FreeSoftware http://buytaert.net/procter-gamble-using-drupal | Jan 27 04:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSFE Receives Medal - Great Achievement for #FreeSoftware http://fsfe.org/news/2010/news-20100126-01.html | Jan 27 04:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SOGo 1.2.0 Released http://www.scalableogo.org/english/buzz.html | Jan 27 04:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF 1.2 Dusted and Sent for Approval http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/01/odf-1-2-part-1-public-review.html | Jan 27 04:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Protests Against Outrageous Cases of #Censorship http://ur1.ca/kqzx http://ur1.ca/kqzy http://ur1.ca/kqzz | Jan 27 04:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Internet #Spying Spied in the United States http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/25/us-govt-data-launder.html | Jan 27 04:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Belgian Senator is Aping #Sarko 's Net Fascism http://www.boingboing.net/2010/01/25/begian-senator-propo.html | Jan 27 04:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cartels Use More Loopholes to Globalise #Patent Regime http://ur1.ca/kr06 http://ur1.ca/kr07 | Jan 27 04:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PublicDomain Manifesto Published, Call for More Sharing http://ur1.ca/kr0c http://ur1.ca/kr0d http://ur1.ca/kr0e | Jan 27 04:44 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I love fucking around with Apple fanbois | Jan 27 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | I called the iPod a "miserably dull pile of crap" and a firestorm is about ready to ensue I'm sure :) | Jan 27 04:47 |
| schestowitz | I got that too | Jan 27 04:49 |
| schestowitz | Asa Dotzler | Jan 27 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't help Mozilla's case for their people to be promoting Bing | Jan 27 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | it also is not productive for Ubuntu to turn Firefox into a Bing whorebar via proxy | Jan 27 04:51 |
| schestowitz | This was over them promoting iPod | Jan 27 04:52 |
| schestowitz | I got into a tiff with Asa | Jan 27 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: iPod is the 2nd most closed portable out there | Jan 27 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | they were #1 until Zune came along and refused to talk to anything but the Zune software on Windows | Jan 27 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | idiots that buy this shit need to be castrated before they infect the rest of the world | Jan 27 04:54 |
| schestowitz | http://media.slated.org/albums/userpics/10002/ballmer-the-enforcer.ogg | Jan 27 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2010/01/26/ST2010012604182.html?hpid=topnews | Jan 27 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | Conservative filmmaker arrested and charged in a conspiracy to bug a Democratic senator's office | Jan 27 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | lulz | Jan 27 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | "All four were taken to a suburban New Orleans jail and charged with entering federal property under false pretenses with the intent of committing a felony. If convicted, each man faces up to 10 years in prison and a fine of $250,000." | Jan 27 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Jan 27 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | how;s this for a follow-up to the alleged "ACORN sting"? | Jan 27 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | it's rare to see the scumbags get busted like this, forgive me if I savor it | Jan 27 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | like Watergate Jr. | Jan 27 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | It would really be interesting to see if the Republican Party was actually secretly funding these so-called "documentaries" | Jan 27 05:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://exampe.org | Jan 27 05:17 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Hello World! | Jan 27 05:17 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sticks and Stones - Response to Jeremy Allison’s take on #Microsoft http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/27/sticks-and-stones/ | Jan 27 05:30 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Readers Article: Sticks and Stones | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 98.33 KB | Jan 27 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Yes, Biofuels are also an excuse to make more profit selling it to run your car than sell it for much less to starving Mexican families | Jan 27 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | if food goes up 3-4% here, that sucks, but it's going up as much as 40% in Mexico | Jan 27 05:46 |
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| DaemonFC | the horrible part is that I may even be running my car on it now and not know | Jan 27 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | the government doesn't make them label it if it's 10% or less | Jan 27 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | the government likes E10 because it "reduces smog", the gas stations like it because it's cheaper to buy than gas and your car burns through it faster, and the farmers like it because they're selling corn to you at 10 times what the Mexicans could pay | Jan 27 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | and best of all is that you can't refuse to buy it if nobody has to label it | Jan 27 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | that car I'm looking at tomorrow is a "flex fuel", so I *could* run it on the E85 stuff if I wanted to, it's deceptively cheap though, in that it mist cost 20% less than gas, but you lose 27% of your fuel efficiency | Jan 27 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | filling up with E85 only makes sense if it's at least 28% cheaper than gas | Jan 27 05:55 |
| bronze | so clean the tank out and fill up with pure alcohol.... then pull over and start drinkin'... :) | Jan 27 05:56 |
| bronze | woo, such a headache i have... | Jan 27 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | bronze: E85 is 15% gasoline | Jan 27 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | I would not suggest drinking it | Jan 27 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | the best thing to do with it is leave it in the gas station's tank ;) | Jan 27 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's incredibly corrosive and I wouldn't trust it in the "hardened" fuel systems they say are in these cars that can run on it | Jan 27 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | I'd bet that it increases the failure rate of even these "hardened" components by a non-trivial amount | Jan 27 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | it just all depends on how badly you want some repair bills | Jan 27 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | as to whether or not maybe saving a nickel on a tank of gas is worth it to you | Jan 27 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | some rocket scientist in the town's government decided to run the school buses on biodiesel, without installing any engine block heaters | Jan 27 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | so needless to say school was canceled the first day they tried it | Jan 27 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | while they drained the fuel tanks | Jan 27 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 27 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | I have to wonder what kind of a moron it takes to run this town so poorly | Jan 27 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | our mayor is out and about running it like his own piggy bank | Jan 27 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | then freaking out that some people actually appeal their unfair property tax assessment and the town is $1.6 million under budget halfway into the fiscal year | Jan 27 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | the people get the government they deserve | Jan 27 06:04 |
| Omar87 | Greetings all. | Jan 27 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | he was shitting himself | Jan 27 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | fired his wife | Jan 27 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | canceled the Christmas lights :P | Jan 27 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | sacked half of our fire fighters | Jan 27 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | more is coming I'm sure, but I don't know how he could outdo himself | Jan 27 06:06 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: are you around? | Jan 27 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | I may consider moving if he's not removed from office this year | Jan 27 06:06 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: who are you talking to? | Jan 27 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | bronze: | Jan 27 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | started as a rant about ethanol | Jan 27 06:07 |
| Omar87 | I see. | Jan 27 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | then I went and remembered the town trying to run school buses on biodiesel in winter, without block heaters | Jan 27 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | I'm surprised nobody thought about heading on down to Walmart and getting some electric blankets | Jan 27 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | I (briefly) had a diesel Volkswagon | Jan 27 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing on Earth less reliable than a gasoline Volkswagon | Jan 27 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | they need to make those things with a bigass warning label "Engine may catch fire, stranding driver in another state" | Jan 27 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | people can say whatever they want to about Ford, I've never had a Ford do half as much shit to me as a VW | Jan 27 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | my favorite bit was the "fluid" that started oozing out my window when it stuck halfway down | Jan 27 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | or the wiper motors that seem to last about 6-8 months | Jan 27 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe it's the fact that it's impossible to get a speeding ticket while you're driving one | Jan 27 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | if the wind starts blowing against the car you may start going backwards | Jan 27 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | fucking imports :P | Jan 27 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | made in Mexico | Jan 27 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | pile of shit | Jan 27 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | but I did learn that diesel is not particularly reliable 3 months out of the year in Indiana | Jan 27 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | when it freezes solid and you have no block heater | Jan 27 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | I don't even wish death on my enemies Omar87 | Jan 27 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | I wish them a diesel VW | Jan 27 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know how these little bitty 3-4 cylinder cars with motorcycle engines sell so well in foreign countries | Jan 27 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | I mean even people who could afford something nicer, it won't fit on their roads | Jan 27 06:18 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: I think you should go get some sleep. | Jan 27 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's like the concept of a two-lane road has been largely lost on Europe | Jan 27 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | Omar87: You like me, I know you do | Jan 27 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | you wouldn't know what to do in my absense | Jan 27 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | *absence | Jan 27 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | you would weep | Jan 27 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | and besides, I just had some coffee | Jan 27 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think sleep is likely soon | Jan 27 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | I think it is more likely that I will transform into Cornholio | Jan 27 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | and need some TP for my bunghole | Jan 27 06:21 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: Coffee? No I'm sure as hell what you just had wasn't coffee. It's heroin. Or opium. | Jan 27 06:23 |
| Omar87 | Or both. | Jan 27 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | maybe | Jan 27 06:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many reminders from the past week’s news of #Apple ’s unhealthy obsession with #patents http://ur1.ca/kr5d | Jan 27 06:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'm supporting your economy | Jan 27 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | bow before me | Jan 27 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | your economic lord and savior | Jan 27 06:24 |
| Omar87 | DaemonFC: just take my advice and unplug your computer now, and go get some sleep. :-) | Jan 27 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | you know if you inject below your toenails, you don't get track marks | Jan 27 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | true story | Jan 27 06:25 |
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| Omar87 | DaemonFC: would like a short little bedtime story? | Jan 27 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhm, not if it makes you violate the principles of your religion | Jan 27 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | you know, the love everyone, peace to all type deal | Jan 27 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 27 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | I would never ask you to do that | Jan 27 06:35 |
| Omar87 | Okay, once upon a time there was a little naive ignorant called DaemonFC who was very addicted to the Fox Newz kool-aide and he kept on yapping nonesense without even knowing what he's talking about, until everyone in the city ignored him (like I'm gonna do now). One day, he was found dead on his couch with his t,v on at Fox News channel. :-) | Jan 27 06:42 |
| Omar87 | New sweet dreamz! :-D | Jan 27 06:42 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes | Jan 27 06:42 |
| schestowitz | But it's almost 7am here | Jan 27 06:42 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: It doesn't matter. | Jan 27 06:43 |
| schestowitz | "Fox News channel......." | Jan 27 06:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I really don't know how you could tolerate his idiocy all this long...? | Jan 27 06:43 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Jan 27 06:43 |
| schestowitz | gn, Omar87, DaemonFOX | Jan 27 06:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: really now. How, in the world, are you able to tolerate him all this time? | Jan 27 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | high bullshit threshold | Jan 27 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | commendable | Jan 27 06:50 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: anyways, did you hear about SourceForge's new decision? | Jan 27 06:53 |
| Omar87 | It sucks! | Jan 27 06:53 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: For some reason, I'm getting a load of IM's from spammy non-existen accounts. How dangerous could these be? | Jan 27 06:57 |
| Omar87 | non-existent* | Jan 27 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | most likely someone has a bot in a room you are in that collects the names of everyone in the room | Jan 27 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | for later spamming | Jan 27 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | lmfao | Jan 27 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13526_3-10440432-27.html | Jan 27 07:12 |
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| DaemonFC | "A proposed file format called MusicDNA will allow content owners to ship up to 32GB of information, such as album cover art, song lyrics, and even up-to-the minute blog posts and concert listings, alongside a music file" | Jan 27 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | MP3 album, 90 megs, useless crap, 500 megs | Jan 27 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | I can see that happening now | Jan 27 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | they think the solution to people downloading music for free is to tell them they'll toss in a bunch of crap nobody asked for if you buy it? | Jan 27 07:13 |
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| DaemonFC | JonoMonoYahellBingiPodOMGWTFBBQbuntu! | Jan 27 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | Now where's the PPA that makes this work? | Jan 27 07:19 |
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| DaemonFC | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/01/26/2358237/Canadian-Android-Carrier-Forcing-Firmware-Update | Jan 27 08:41 |
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| DaemonFC | Rogers sounds so evil they could make Satan pop a boner | Jan 27 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | "Yeah, I can't call 911 and there's some guy with a fucking Uzi breaking into my house" | Jan 27 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | Rogers: "No problem sir, we'll get that fixed for you in a few months, mmmmk? Is there anything else?" | Jan 27 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | "Uh yeah, I'm about to be fucking murdered you shithead!! HELP!!!!!" | Jan 27 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | "Thank you for calling Rogers technical support and have a nice day......click" | Jan 27 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | people wonder why I have guns | Jan 27 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | the police couldn't get here in less than 10 minutes even in the best case and with my luck, the phone would bleep at me and say "Network Busy" | Jan 27 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | I'd have their suspect for them when they finally did waddle their asses over here, sprawled all over the wall after getting a lesson in muzzle velocity from my Remington model 870 20-gauge | Jan 27 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | pump-action, pistol grip | Jan 27 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | 8-) | Jan 27 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | so yeah, to hell with E911 | Jan 27 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | if more people were armed, you wouldn't have so many break-ins | Jan 27 08:50 |
| DaemonFC | burglars should have the distinct impression that they'll be leaving your home feet first, is my firm belief | Jan 27 08:51 |
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| DaemonFC | "If you are afraid of loneliness, don't marry." -- Chekhov | Jan 27 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | I like that | Jan 27 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | I can think of 5 or 6 times that I wish someone had told me something like that | Jan 27 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | stir up the "What the hell am I about to do?" inner monologue | Jan 27 09:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] it'd be funny to see a pro-Ubuntu / anti-Canonical FB group, detailing all the stuff they do w/o asking the community, & how to reverse them | Jan 27 09:41 | |
| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzkyOQ | Jan 27 09:49 |
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| oiaohm | Now there is a reason for the need of usb 3 | Jan 27 09:49 |
| oiaohm | So we can connect a insane number of screens to 1 machine | Jan 27 09:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Geek Q: How to make Sun sendmail accept outgoing mail normally but actually put it *all* into a mailbox for review? (staging w/ real addrs) | Jan 27 10:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @davidgerard the answer appears to be a blackhole smtp sink, but saving to a file rather than blackholing | Jan 27 11:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Free Software Foundation Europe (#FSFE ) goes to #WIPO and #Mozilla advocates #Ogg http://ur1.ca/ks7r | Jan 27 11:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] The New Paul Parker album "Take it from Me" has been released: http://www.paulparkermusic.com | Jan 27 11:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Zune and #Windows Mobile Are Going Away http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/27/zune-and-mobile-down-for-count/ | Jan 27 12:25 | |
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| kecskebak | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-January/030065.html | Jan 27 12:45 |
| kecskebak | http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2010/01/26/ubuntu-10-04-to-change-firefox-default-search-provider/ | Jan 27 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | kecskebak: thoughts? | Jan 27 13:05 |
| kecskebak | Well, seeing as Yahoo! has done a deal with Bing it's Bing by proxy | Jan 27 13:06 |
| schestowitz | I was about to write about it, we ranted about it for hours last night | Jan 27 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 27 13:06 |
| kecskebak | Shuttlecock - say Bing! | Jan 27 13:06 |
| kecskebak | I think I will leave Ubuntu for good after this version for Fedora | Jan 27 13:06 |
| MinceR | same here | Jan 27 13:07 |
| MinceR | or for Pardus | Jan 27 13:07 |
| kecskebak | Fedora is running on my wife's computer - it's stable, just as good, and I won't have to remove Mono | Jan 27 13:07 |
| kecskebak | If I wanted to run Mint I'd run Mint | Jan 27 13:08 |
| kecskebak | I remember all the free software stuff Ubuntu came out with a few years ago. It seems to be slowly turning 360 degrees | Jan 27 13:08 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't run Mint -- they couldn't even get their repo keys right and the KDE version was very late, if it even came out already | Jan 27 13:08 |
| MinceR | http://xkcd.com/694/ | Jan 27 13:10 |
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| kecskebak | I feel very let down by Ubuntu. I think they've spun a line to get market share. | Jan 27 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Pardus looks excellent | Jan 27 13:11 |
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| kecskebak | The way things are going I think I'll be using KDE soon too | Jan 27 13:18 |
| MinceR | i already am :> | Jan 27 13:19 |
| kecskebak | I love the GNOME desktop, but I dislike the way it's being run | Jan 27 13:19 |
| kecskebak | And I don't think the people running it care about committed to freedom. | Jan 27 13:19 |
| MinceR | i don't like it ever since they've stopped closely copying KDE and started copying macos instead | Jan 27 13:20 |
| kecskebak | I hate this GDM 2.0 thing which shows a list of names of people using the computer. That's idiotic in my view. | Jan 27 13:20 |
| MinceR | i like that list, but it's optional | Jan 27 13:21 |
| kecskebak | Then there's Evolution, which is entwined with the panel so you can't uninstall it cleanly | Jan 27 13:22 |
| MinceR | unless i misunderstand what you mean | Jan 27 13:22 |
| kecskebak | And now has a mono dependency | Jan 27 13:22 |
| MinceR | i use evolution because its search folder support is the least buggy of all imap clients | Jan 27 13:22 |
| kecskebak | It's when you turn on the computer, the first thing you see is a list of all the users. You have to click on one to log in. | Jan 27 13:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Signs Deal with #Acacia and Builds More #Patent Walls Against #Linux http://ur1.ca/ksk8 | Jan 27 13:22 | |
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| MinceR | then i understood correctly | Jan 27 13:23 |
| kecskebak | I still wonder if GNOME will fork | Jan 27 13:24 |
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| sebsebseb | kecskebak: yeah I don't like list of names of people who are using computer either, I don't like GDM 2 at all in fact, well Fedora 11 and 12 it was ok, Ubuntu 9.10 uh nasty dark background | Jan 27 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | KDM is nice | Jan 27 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | and it shows the last person who was on it, in the user name field | Jan 27 13:39 |
| MinceR | both can be set up to show or not to show that list :> | Jan 27 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | GDM 2 can't be customized easily in 9.10 | Jan 27 13:40 |
| MinceR | not even by switching themes? | Jan 27 13:41 |
| kecskebak | You can't switch themes | Jan 27 13:41 |
| kecskebak | It's an early version | Jan 27 13:41 |
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| MinceR | ic | Jan 27 13:42 |
| sebsebseb | yeah KDM is way better than that stupid new GDM | Jan 27 13:43 |
| kecskebak | The way things are going Lucid's backdrop will be an advert for Tesco Value Baked Beans and you won't be able to change it. | Jan 27 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: what do you mean exactly? | Jan 27 13:43 |
| MinceR | nah, not until tesco is bought up by m$ | Jan 27 13:43 |
| MinceR | until then, you'll have to make do with an advert for a m$ or novell product :> | Jan 27 13:44 |
| kecskebak | Well, software store selling Adobe Creative Suite and mp3s from EMI, browser sponsored by Novell, Weather Panel Applet brought to you by Powergen... | Jan 27 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | I am still wondering about Lucid | Jan 27 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | well alpha 3 in just under a month now | Jan 27 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | which will be pretty much feature complete I guess | Jan 27 13:44 |
| MinceR | PowergenItalia? | Jan 27 13:45 |
| kecskebak | One of the nice things about GNU/Linux is that it didn't come laden with crapware. And now the first thing I do when I install Ubuntu is remove Mono. | Jan 27 13:45 |
| kecskebak | MincerR: :) | Jan 27 13:46 |
| kecskebak | Sorry, got your handle wrong... | Jan 27 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu One is useless for quite a lot of us as well really | Jan 27 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | I don't want to use it | Jan 27 13:46 |
| MinceR | i installed mono so i could use gnome-do. ironically, gnome-do doesn't work with kwin so now i can't use it :> | Jan 27 13:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnome-do is shit too | Jan 27 13:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | its no quicksilver | Jan 27 13:47 |
| kecskebak | gnome-do-dos in fact | Jan 27 13:47 |
| MinceR | it's shit, but it does have a desirable feature for me | Jan 27 13:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | and quicksilver wasnt exactly the best idea either | Jan 27 13:47 |
| MinceR | it can open a file from my notes subdirectory by typing a substring of its name | Jan 27 13:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | and osx 10.5 implemented the sole reason I used quicksilver: apple-space search for files | Jan 27 13:48 |
| MinceR | for everything else, there's krunner and gmrun | Jan 27 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | kecskebak: thanks for the links I didn't go on links before about the Yahoo Bing | Jan 27 13:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Yahoo search becomes Bing, and Ubuntu uses by default in Firefox, so Canonical can make a tiny bit of money hrm. I think better to use Google | Jan 27 14:00 |
| cubezzz | in the end, you _could_ make your own distro | Jan 27 14:03 |
| cubezzz | a lot of work, but hey | Jan 27 14:03 |
| cubezzz | that way you get exactly what you want | Jan 27 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: there was an article with 10 scripts or whatever. to help in making own distro | Jan 27 14:04 |
| cubezzz | what teaches you more, DIY or using a ready made OS? | Jan 27 14:05 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: making own | Jan 27 14:05 |
| cubezzz | to me, the last big problem is binary blobs | Jan 27 14:09 |
| cubezzz | I only have one now | Jan 27 14:10 |
| cubezzz | nvidia blob | Jan 27 14:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] President Lula can do any nice speech for Software Libre he wants, the Brazilian Patent Office grants software patents: http://i5.be/aoK | Jan 27 14:11 | |
| cubezzz | of course I should also include flash itself | Jan 27 14:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft-Intel: More information about the two abusive monopolies and how GNU/Linux fits their puzzle http://ur1.ca/kstz | Jan 27 14:13 | |
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| MinceR | making my own distro would be a grand project by itself | Jan 27 14:50 |
| MinceR | to say nothing of keeping it updated | Jan 27 14:50 |
| MinceR | i do have an idea of making my own package manager, though | Jan 27 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | "Hi, Roy," | Jan 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | "A few years ago, when Microsoft started strong arming its way into advertising services, I one of two major complaints I had was that this allowed them to control via the purse strings its competitors." | Jan 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | "So Ubuntu is feeding Microsoft's ad engine, Bong, which is hiding WolframAlpha from the public." | Jan 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | "To address only the purse strings issue, it's a simple effect: not biting the hand that feeds. Most people become real kiss-asses for a little compensation, even as cheap as low-cost, made-in-china swag. The Comes v Microsoft exhibits have many examples. But it's not a new" | Jan 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | "problem. Noam Chomsky went into very great details about how it works and how it is abused to achieve political goals and even to circumvent democratic process." | Jan 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | "(I notice that a lot of FOSS and open standards projects try to rely on ad revenue, but that more than a few have trouble actually collecting.)" | Jan 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | "Now recently Bradley Khun wrote in praise of Debian, and it is important to work towards a positive note. While that positive note is being sung, it is absolutely essential that the Microsofters get cleaned out of Debian or it will go the exact same way as Ubuntu. " | Jan 27 14:53 |
| schestowitz | "Jo Shields and the others used their insurgency into Ubuntu as a key to get into Debian. There is also the problem of whomever sponsored their membership." | Jan 27 14:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Chief #Microsoft Lobbyist @BillGates Goes on Anti- #Google Tour in the Press http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/27/gates-anti-google-tour/ | Jan 27 15:01 | |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: i doubt that lower overhead has ever been the argument for microkernels. the point is reliability. | Jan 27 15:16 |
| MinceR | and probably security | Jan 27 15:16 |
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| DaemonFC | uggh, Crapple fanbois | Jan 27 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | arguing that AAC is some kind of divinely inspired technological feat handed down from God | Jan 27 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | not understanding that the most disgusting thing about these codecs is that they're largely based on academic research dating back into the 19th century through the 1950s, and should be public domain based on that alone | Jan 27 16:01 |
| Tallken | ? | Jan 27 16:04 |
| Tallken | 1950? | Jan 27 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | Tallken: Yes, things like auditory masking and huffman coding are that old | Jan 27 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | most of the theory behind MP3/AAC/WMA/Ogg Vorbis/MPC, etc. predates the moon landing | Jan 27 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | and was conducted by research professors | Jan 27 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | now we have the MPEG Cartel and Microsoft trying to sell us licenses to use binary codecs based on much knowledge that is already in the public domain | Jan 27 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | it's not unlike pharmaceutical companies charging hundreds of dollars a bottle for pills made using taxpayer-funded research | Jan 27 16:07 |
| Tallken | Huffman is 1950-ish | Jan 27 16:07 |
| Tallken | Predictive coding I'd assume as well | Jan 27 16:08 |
| Tallken | now all the bits and pieces joined together in a beautiful package, since then? | Jan 27 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | essentially, yes | Jan 27 16:08 |
| Tallken | the Psychoacoustic models, since 1950-ish ? | Jan 27 16:08 |
| Tallken | temporal masking? | Jan 27 16:08 |
| Tallken | frequency masking? | Jan 27 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I'll bet you that 90% of the research needed to implement MP3 dates to before 1970 | Jan 27 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | certainly the most critical pieces | Jan 27 16:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Former #Microsoft employee announces that #Canonical will send #Ubuntu users to Microsoft’s datacentres http://ur1.ca/ktdj | Jan 27 16:10 | |
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| DaemonFC | obviously there are a few "enhancements" that companies have thrown into newer codecs along the waythat aren't particularly useful | Jan 27 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | spectral band replication for example | Jan 27 16:11 |
| Tallken | why is that? | Jan 27 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | it's useful at streaming bitrates | Jan 27 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | under 80kbps generally, is what Nero AAC limits you to | Jan 27 16:12 |
| Tallken | so, why isn't it useful? | Jan 27 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | it works at higher bitrates, but it doesn't really help out a lot | Jan 27 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | Tallken: Cause I'd rather just use a streaming service that uses 160> kbps anyway | Jan 27 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | low bitrate sounds bad no matter what you do to it | Jan 27 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's not 1990, the challenge is not to see how much data you can stuff onto a one channel ISDN line | Jan 27 16:14 |
| Tallken | that doesn't mean it isn't useful to us who have lower traffic bandwidth | Jan 27 16:14 |
| Tallken | that doesn't mean the standard isn't useful | Jan 27 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | people were praising WMA at one point because you could actually make out what song was playing at phone line bandwidth | Jan 27 16:14 |
| Tallken | I like WMA on a technical merit, except it's from MS which doesn't support other platforms; allows easy DRM to go unnoticed until it's too late; requires hacks to get running on other platforms; as such, I don't like it in general. | Jan 27 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | Tallken: At the bitrates you're likely to use to store tracks on your hard drive or MP3 player, SBR isn't really useful. AOL is the only internet radio I've seen using AAC with SBR | Jan 27 16:16 |
| Tallken | doesn't mean in terms of capabilities it isn't good | Jan 27 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | Ogg Vorbis is known to outperform AAC+ at those bitrates anyway | Jan 27 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | I highly suspect that SBR was one of those things someone did just to get into the patent pool | Jan 27 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | what's worse is that it will crash Windows Media Player and most portables won't play them either | Jan 27 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | AAC has a lot of "profiles", and most decoders only support Low Complexity | Jan 27 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | I still haven't seen MP3 Pro supported in hardware (or most software) | Jan 27 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | the only MP3 Pro player I've seen was the one Thompson released in 1998 and a couple old RCA Lyra models | Jan 27 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | if you want a 64 MB Lyra from 1998, you can take your 32kbps MP3 Pro files with you 8-) | Jan 27 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | you'll pay more royalties to use MP3 Pro or AAC+ than you will to just double the bitrate and pay the bandwidth bill | Jan 27 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | hence why they failed | Jan 27 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | companies never seem to understand that something usually has to be more useful than liability in order for it to catch on | Jan 27 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | Tallken: My favorite bit was when Thomson announced MP3 HD (MP3 file with a massive lossless correction) which you pay royalties out the ass to implement, it's 20% bigger than FLAC, and a lot of portables play FLAC anyway at full quality | Jan 27 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | Thomson doesn't even make anything anymore, they're just a massive patent troll | Jan 27 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | oh my god... | Jan 27 16:29 |
| Tallken | ? | Jan 27 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | the Windows encoder for MP3 HD is a .Net application | Jan 27 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | "Win32 mp3HD GUI encoder/decoder v1.0 (includes mp3HD Toolkit) Requires Administrator account and .NET 3.0" | Jan 27 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, so you get a blip from UAC every time you start the encoder too | Jan 27 16:32 |
| MinceR | :D | Jan 27 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | yay for Yahell | Jan 27 16:47 |
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| DaemonFC | Why do I sign into Yahell Messenger? It's for the penis pill spammer lulz | Jan 27 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to overdose on illegal generic black market Russian Viagra one of these days | Jan 27 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | the coroner is going to find that I'm six foot four laying down | Jan 27 16:48 |
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| ender2070 | yahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | Jan 27 16:52 |
| ender2070 | gotta love msbuntu | Jan 27 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Shhhhhhhh. You'll get jono riled up. It'll stay burrowed in its hole if you don't say Ubuntu | Jan 27 16:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] rt @jonobacon Look into my eyes, not around the eyes...use Ubuntu : http://is.gd/79XQf #ubuntu | Jan 27 16:53 | |
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| ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/7 | Jan 27 16:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Yahoo the Default Search in Ubuntu | www.pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 7.65 KB | Jan 27 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | I find it amusing that when the RIAA needed Linux, they chose Ubuntu | Jan 27 16:54 |
| ender2070 | jono hardly talks | Jan 27 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | errr, it was the MPAA, same difference | Jan 27 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | MPAAbuntu | Jan 27 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | the "University Toolkit" spyware | Jan 27 16:54 |
| ender2070 | Yahoo search = bing | Jan 27 16:54 |
| jono | DaemonFC, hey honey, need some attention? | Jan 27 16:54 |
| jono | :P | Jan 27 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu must be radiating some kind of evil vibes if the MPAA is choosing it B-) | Jan 27 16:54 |
| ender2070 | ubuntu is helping bing now | Jan 27 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | that's all I'm saying | Jan 27 16:55 |
| MinceR | i wonder what will happen to suse now | Jan 27 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I wonder if it's even still possible for Novell to unfuck themselves | Jan 27 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | they've hedged all their bets on being a cheaper, crappier, Red Hat | Jan 27 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | in league with Microsoft | Jan 27 16:55 |
| jono | DaemonFC, which distro do you use, out of interest? | Jan 27 16:55 |
| MinceR | does closing the company count? :> | Jan 27 16:56 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - they would need to fire their ms mvp's so as not to keep copying ms | Jan 27 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | jono: Right now I have Windows Server 2008 R2 and Sidux | Jan 27 16:56 |
| ender2070 | jono - ms windows | Jan 27 16:56 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jan 27 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | I paid the same for both of them | Jan 27 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | 8-) | Jan 27 16:57 |
| ender2070 | pirate! | Jan 27 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Jan 27 16:57 |
| jono | DaemonFC, windows? | Jan 27 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | student license | Jan 27 16:57 |
| jono | oooook | Jan 27 16:57 |
| jono | :) | Jan 27 16:57 |
| jono | DaemonFC, how old are you? | Jan 27 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | If I'm not telling the census, why should I tell you? :P | Jan 27 16:57 |
| ender2070 | you told me you were 25 DaemonFC | Jan 27 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | I am | Jan 27 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | going on 26 :( | Jan 27 16:58 |
| jono | DaemonFC, ok, so I am guessing you are in your teens | Jan 27 16:59 |
| jono | which is cool | Jan 27 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I'm a student, a Chinese student, in Beijing | Jan 27 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | ask Microsoft | Jan 27 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 27 16:59 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jan 27 16:59 |
| jono | DaemonFC, interesting how you use Microsoft | Jan 27 17:00 |
| jono | I would have thought you were opposed to MS | Jan 27 17:00 |
| ender2070 | daemonfc loves windows | Jan 27 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | jono: Born 4-11-1984 | Jan 27 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | age 25 | Jan 27 17:01 |
| jono | DaemonFC, I thought you were not going to tell us? | Jan 27 17:01 |
| MinceR | he doesn't seem to know whether he's opposed to m$ or not :> | Jan 27 17:01 |
| jono | I don't know if I believe you | Jan 27 17:02 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jan 27 17:02 |
| jono | I think you may actually be 17 or so | Jan 27 17:02 |
| jono | but whatever, thats cool | Jan 27 17:02 |
| jono | :) | Jan 27 17:02 |
| ender2070 | he certainly acts like it | Jan 27 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | give me a moment | Jan 27 17:02 |
| ender2070 | however sometimes he talks like Rush Limbaugh | Jan 27 17:02 |
| jono | ender2070, lol | Jan 27 17:02 |
| jono | anyway, I need to get back into my buried little hole | Jan 27 17:02 |
| jono | and go and figure out a way to squeeze more Mono into Ubuntu | Jan 27 17:02 |
| jono | hugs! | Jan 27 17:03 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jan 27 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | more mono, less features | Jan 27 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | less talky, more worky | Jan 27 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | no run along | Jan 27 17:03 |
| ender2070 | firefox now has yahoo/bing search | Jan 27 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | *now | Jan 27 17:03 |
| jono | DaemonFC, ironic as I work on an OS and you just talk in here | Jan 27 17:03 |
| jono | bye! | Jan 27 17:03 |
| MinceR | maybe you could find a way to bundle m$ office, too :> | Jan 27 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | jono: The Ubuntu Information Minister | Jan 27 17:04 |
| ender2070 | a crossover office deal perhaps | Jan 27 17:04 |
| jono | DaemonFC, thats right | Jan 27 17:04 |
| jono | :) | Jan 27 17:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@flight404 Incredibly gorgeous Half-Life 2 mod: http:// www.littlelostpoly.co.uk/devblog/?p=448 // says Unreal Engine, is that HL2?? | Jan 27 17:04 | |
| jono | dont believe a word I say | Jan 27 17:04 |
| sebsebseb | jono: nice to see you having a bit of a joke/laugh in here as well | Jan 27 17:06 |
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| jono | sebsebseb, :) | Jan 27 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Sorry about the DaemonFOX | Jan 27 17:12 |
| schestowitz | We are anti-censorship, unless it turns very vulgar | Jan 27 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Or when people start making threats | Jan 27 17:13 |
| MinceR | hm, i have a better idea: bundling internet explorer | Jan 27 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I added Internet Explorer on Ubuntu in Uncyclopedia | Jan 27 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft donated IE 6 to them because they felt sorry for Ubuntu | Jan 27 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | IE 6 is the default web browser on Ubuntu | Jan 27 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ubuntu | Jan 27 17:15 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 56.02 KB | Jan 27 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | I did a major makeover on the article last year and it's gotten some additional editing since | Jan 27 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | recasting Mark Shuttleworth as Cthulu | Jan 27 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | and managing to insult Wikipedia too | Jan 27 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | "This article is about the third world operating system. For the article about the third world philosophy, Go Screw Yourself. It ain't never comin' back!" | Jan 27 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | "mneptok, the paid Ubuntu gigolo of the Dread Cthulhu Shuttleworth, says, "My hair is luxurious. Touch it."." | Jan 27 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | not my idea, but I did put his picture there | Jan 27 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft Bob is the default desktop, and the Jabbering Jabberwock is the current Long Term Nonsense release | Jan 27 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | you get the idea :) | Jan 27 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/e/e5/FisherPriceLaptop_2.jpg | Jan 27 17:26 |
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| DaemonFC | nice | Jan 27 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | in Windows 7 Starter only two applications will run, "explorer.exe and an ad for Windows 7 Ultimate", rofl | Jan 27 17:27 |
| MinceR | they forgot the menubar on the top of the screen | Jan 27 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/b/b4/Windows_7_editions.png | Jan 27 17:27 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jan 27 17:27 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 27 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | "distinctions between unimportant features", this is true | Jan 27 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | the only real crimp in Home Premium is the 16 GB of RAM limit | Jan 27 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | the rest is fluff | Jan 27 17:29 |
| MinceR | there's a lot of truth in that ad | Jan 27 17:29 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: better get Premium Home Premium Premium(tm) then, with the Greatly Expanded, 18 GB RAM limit! | Jan 27 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 Voting Machine Edition | Jan 27 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | lulz | Jan 27 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | wiping its logs of voter fraud every 60 seconds | Jan 27 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | maybe we will get Jeb Bush next time | Jan 27 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Professional, Ultimate, and Enterprise raise the limit to 192 GB and all support two physical CPUs | Jan 27 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | the difference between Pro and Ultimate is mainly that you pay $20 more for Ultimate and Ultimate is only supported half as long | Jan 27 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | *grin* | Jan 27 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | oh, there's Bitlocker, but most people don't have a TPM and Microsoft sells backdoor kits to the police anyway | Jan 27 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | Truecrypt will work on any version of Windows and is much stronger, and it has plausible deniability, which I'm not entirely certain how that works, but anything that lets me deny something in a plausible fashion is welcome | Jan 27 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: It wasn't me with all those bootleg MP3s, it was the one armed man! | Jan 27 17:35 |
| MinceR | the one armed man? | Jan 27 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | the one armed man | Jan 27 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | You have seen The Fugitive, right? | Jan 27 17:36 |
| MinceR | i don't think i have | Jan 27 17:36 |
| *MinceR checks | Jan 27 17:36 | |
| DaemonFC | it was the one armed man that killed Dr. Kimball's wife | Jan 27 17:36 |
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| DaemonFC | became a popular cliche | Jan 27 17:36 |
| MinceR | which "The Fugitive"? | Jan 27 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | "It wasn't me, it was the one armed man!" means that you did something and you have a flimsy excuse | Jan 27 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The one with Tommy Lee Jones and Harrison Ford | Jan 27 17:37 |
| MinceR | i don't think i've seen it | Jan 27 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | and Andreas Katsulas as the one armed man | Jan 27 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | (who also played Ambassador Tomalok (spelling?) of the Romulan Empire in Star Trek TNG and G'Kar in Babylon 5) | Jan 27 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The movie was based on the TV series from the 60's | Jan 27 17:39 |
| bronze | "The Fugitive" - originally an intensly followed TV series starring David Janssen. Series only lasted 2-3 years iirc | Jan 27 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AewLnfWIAcw | Jan 27 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | good movie | Jan 27 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | Jones reprised his role as Samuel Gerard in US Marshals (1998) | Jan 27 17:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Hijacks More of #Education Sector in Carolina, Michigan, and Georgia http://ur1.ca/ktma | Jan 27 17:47 | |
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| MarcusKoze | hello, anyone active ? | Jan 27 18:10 |
| schestowitz | o/ | Jan 27 18:11 |
| schestowitz | What's up? | Jan 27 18:11 |
| MarcusKoze | hm, just seen your article about ubuntu running yahoo as default search | Jan 27 18:12 |
| MarcusKoze | i was wondering for a while whether ubuntu gets too dang commercial | Jan 27 18:12 |
| bronze | inevitable. | Jan 27 18:13 |
| MarcusKoze | and well ... they just don't seem to put the emphasis on F/OSS movement, but rather just using F/OSS for what seems to be MONEY and nothing more ... | Jan 27 18:14 |
| MarcusKoze | i mean, i give them credit for polishing the interface and pushing it to the masses | Jan 27 18:14 |
| MarcusKoze | but hey ... i personally think it's getting dirtier and dirtier actually, no matter how shiny it looks on the outside :( | Jan 27 18:15 |
| MarcusKoze | am i being paranoid here or... what do you think ? | Jan 27 18:16 |
| schestowitz | [18:12] <MarcusKoze> i was wondering for a while whether ubuntu gets too dang commercial | Jan 27 18:16 |
| schestowitz | No | Jan 27 18:16 |
| schestowitz | But I hope they change their mind | Jan 27 18:16 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: let's wait and see | Jan 27 18:16 |
| schestowitz | jono is still listening | Jan 27 18:17 |
| MarcusKoze | what's about jono ? | Jan 27 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Right at this very moment I do another post just to show how Microsoft is misusing privacy | Jan 27 18:17 |
| schestowitz | And how it is used against people | Jan 27 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | lurking, apologizing, personally insulting...... | Jan 27 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | etc | Jan 27 18:17 |
| schestowitz | If Ubuntu sends requests from new Ubuntu users to Microsoft is exposes itself (BI) | Jan 27 18:17 |
| schestowitz | It's basically like any new installation of Ubuntu 10.4 will 'phone' Microsoft HQ | Jan 27 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Unless of course a new user will immediately know to change the settings without doing a single search with Bahoo!! | Jan 27 18:19 |
| MarcusKoze | what do you mean call home ? | Jan 27 18:19 |
| MarcusKoze | how would it ? | Jan 27 18:19 |
| schestowitz | I don't think it's worth the money that Ballmer's Bartzer will pay Canonical | Jan 27 18:19 |
| MarcusKoze | i mean, i understand taht from a windos machine, but from a linux one ? | Jan 27 18:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] couldn't give a brass razoo about #Apple tablet #bahhumbug | Jan 27 18:19 | |
| rnb | hiiiii | Jan 27 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Ohi! | Jan 27 18:20 |
| rnb | hello, sir | Jan 27 18:20 |
| rnb | my favorite day of the month | Jan 27 18:20 |
| rnb | invoice day | Jan 27 18:20 |
| schestowitz | MarcusKoze: when you use Firefox (default web browser) it will send your strings to Microsoft when you use the search bar | Jan 27 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft can then targets "Linux dissidents" by IP address and stuff | Jan 27 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Then advertise to them via MSN/Live/whatever | Jan 27 18:21 |
| schestowitz | That's what they do in marketing/BI is they are "good" (as in viciously evil) | Jan 27 18:21 |
| MarcusKoze | hm | Jan 27 18:22 |
| MarcusKoze | that'd suck big day | Jan 27 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's just Bing with "Yahoo" brandings | Jan 27 18:22 |
| MarcusKoze | big time, pardon me | Jan 27 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | MS gets all the data from your searches and tracks you | Jan 27 18:22 |
| MarcusKoze | not a native english | Jan 27 18:22 |
| schestowitz | rnb: you get to keep your voice in? | Jan 27 18:22 |
| *schestowitz has voices in the head | Jan 27 18:22 | |
| schestowitz | I wonder what Mozilla will say.... | Jan 27 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | who knows? Mozilla is schizo | Jan 27 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | some will probably praise the move to Binghoo | Jan 27 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | some will probably condemn it | Jan 27 18:24 |
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| MarcusKoze | dont know about mozilla being schizo, i like what they deliver | Jan 27 18:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | we need more zero tolerance of MS | Jan 27 18:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Asa is no Bong fan | Jan 27 18:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | world needs* | Jan 27 18:24 |
| MarcusKoze | i agree with that | Jan 27 18:24 |
| schestowitz | I don't think anyone there is | Jan 27 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Their Microsoft mole (Snyder) left | Jan 27 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | MarcusKoze: Too many of Mozilla's higher-ups have been too friendly to Bing for their own good | Jan 27 18:25 |
| schestowitz | She was the only Microsoft apoligist there | Jan 27 18:25 |
| MarcusKoze | i wonder, what's the chances for web devs to unite and ban whatever MS | Jan 27 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Former Softie | Jan 27 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | Bing isn't funding Firefox, why are they promoting it? | Jan 27 18:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: oh, no, it *is* for their own good. kickbacks and the rest. | Jan 27 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | you mean personal bribes at the expense of funding for Mozilla | Jan 27 18:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's standard MS M.O., where neede | Jan 27 18:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | d | Jan 27 18:25 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they DON'T promote it | Jan 27 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Stop spreading BS | Jan 27 18:26 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/12/21/asa-dotzler-misquoted/ | Jan 27 18:26 |
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| FurnaceBoy | MarcusKoze: it'll slowly happen when corporates realise how unnecessarily costly it is to support a non-standard platform, i think | Jan 27 18:26 |
| schestowitz | The only ones promoting it are IDG and other _lackey_ journos | Jan 27 18:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | MarcusKoze: the cost of IE6 alone is in the billions to developers | Jan 27 18:26 |
| MarcusKoze | yeah | Jan 27 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Those who distort Mozilla's stance for their beloved Ballmer | Jan 27 18:27 |
| schestowitz | He pays them | Jan 27 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: "Bing has a better privacy policy, you should use it" is not a promotion? | Jan 27 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | MarcusKoze: and 7,8,9 aren't much better, so i think this eventually will make people reject it | Jan 27 18:27 |
| MarcusKoze | shift, dont write that, i want to kill some softies when i hear/read about it ()ie's | Jan 27 18:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's ASA | Jan 27 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Not A.S.A | Jan 27 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | MarcusKoze: it's just throwing good money away, trying to make stuff work on IE. | Jan 27 18:27 |
| schestowitz | It's one person | Jan 27 18:27 |
| schestowitz | He's not Mozilla | Jan 27 18:27 |
| MarcusKoze | i'm doing web dev and i want to kill whoever micromoft when it comes to supporting ie's | Jan 27 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | Bing *may* have a better *stated* privacy policy, but Microsoft has a history of violating their own privacy agreements | Jan 27 18:28 |
| schestowitz | And he was quoted out of context | Jan 27 18:28 |
| schestowitz | He removed that post | Jan 27 18:28 |
| cubezzz | http://www.xkcd.com/694/ | Jan 27 18:28 |
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| MarcusKoze | i dont care about them personally, but customers/employer demands | Jan 27 18:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | MarcusKoze: one day they'll join the dots, esp as IE share drops | Jan 27 18:28 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: "12 pillars"..... | Jan 27 18:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | MarcusKoze: "so you're telling me 50% of your development cost is burned on a 25% browser?" | Jan 27 18:28 |
| MarcusKoze | :)) | Jan 27 18:29 |
| MarcusKoze | hehe | Jan 27 18:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | "And we can support all standards compliant browsers with half the effort?" | Jan 27 18:29 |
| MarcusKoze | quite a paradox lol :) | Jan 27 18:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@brasandranties wholistic #health, #food, #diet, nutrition #Toronto, Meghan Telpner kicks butt http://meghantelpner.com (satisfied client) | Jan 27 18:29 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | MarcusKoze: so I am optimistic :) | Jan 27 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | actually, IE 6 isn't even 25% now, is it? | Jan 27 18:31 |
| MarcusKoze | i strongly doubt that ie's "share" is anything it was some years ago | Jan 27 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | IE 6 is 14% according to StatCounter | Jan 27 18:32 |
| MarcusKoze | i dont give a **** ******* **** * ***** on ms's reports or whatever | Jan 27 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | so more like half their development costs to support a browser with 14% | Jan 27 18:32 |
| MarcusKoze | i just consider my own experiences regarding OS | Jan 27 18:32 |
| MarcusKoze | and | Jan 27 18:32 |
| MarcusKoze | borwser choices i see at people, and it only gets optimistic for me at least | Jan 27 18:33 |
| MarcusKoze | argh, going to have dinner, see you in a bit | Jan 27 18:33 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft to inject 100 millions more dollars into Novell, in order to render Linux and free software non-free: http://i5.be/aoR | Jan 27 18:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@jasonsantamaria Wow, seriously hopped up on #coffee. Anyone need a car lifted off them? // so right now you resemble your Twtr avatar? :) | Jan 27 18:39 | |
| FurnaceBoy | why does everyone say 'argh' when they leave this channel ;-) | Jan 27 18:41 |
| MarcusKoze | gotta be yummy i guess | Jan 27 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.southwestautofw.com/newandusedcars/0/433333/4f3e70c4-c32d-4b72-a4b9-9d2526603720/2006-Ford-Taurus.aspx | Jan 27 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | argh! :P | Jan 27 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jan 27 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | now that might be mine within a few days :D | Jan 27 18:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The Evolution of a #Haskell Programmer http://www.willamette.edu/~fruehr/haskell/evolution.html very nice #programming #fp | Jan 27 18:42 | |
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| DaemonFC | my car insurance is going to go way up (full coverage), I'm not looking forward to that | Jan 27 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | beats what I'm driving now though | Jan 27 18:44 |
| MarcusKoze | what would that be ? | Jan 27 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | 1995 Ford Taurus | Jan 27 18:44 |
| MarcusKoze | oh | Jan 27 18:44 |
| MarcusKoze | i like opel , as a general brand | Jan 27 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | I had to pull the fuse that controls the car alarm | Jan 27 18:45 |
| MarcusKoze | i mean brand likeness | Jan 27 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | which also took out my interior lights, radio, and the chime when the keys are in and you have the door open | Jan 27 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | cause the car alarm was going off randomly :D | Jan 27 18:45 |
| MarcusKoze | lool | Jan 27 18:45 |
| MarcusKoze | gotta suck almost as much as a windos install ;)) | Jan 27 18:46 |
| MarcusKoze | 3 months old | Jan 27 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | that car is so far gone I should have gotten rid of it two years ago | Jan 27 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | but not havign a car payment is a compelling reason to tolerate something you hate | Jan 27 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | the heater stopped working last winter and they wanted $800 to fix it | Jan 27 18:47 |
| MarcusKoze | hm, thats sounds like a fortune where i am | Jan 27 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | so I just bought a little heater deal you plug into the cigarette lighter to defrost the windshield | Jan 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: I get "http://www.sdtimes.com/default.aspx?CustomError=404" on your link | Jan 27 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | then the heater comes back on this winter | Jan 27 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | then I backed into a pole and broke the bumper in half | Jan 27 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's like, going to the demolition derby when I get rid of it | Jan 27 18:48 |
| MarcusKoze | poor littl machinery :)) | Jan 27 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | there's nowhere else for it | Jan 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: Google News also links to 404 there | Jan 27 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | having a car that's 11 years newer with 60,000 less miles is going to be nice | Jan 27 18:49 |
| MarcusKoze | DaemonFC: you from the states ? | Jan 27 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Jan 27 18:49 |
| MarcusKoze | do you know of the brand Opel ? | Jan 27 18:49 |
| ianto | Also known as Vauxhall | Jan 27 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | I know that GM owns them, they only get sold in Europe | Jan 27 18:50 |
| MarcusKoze | or i think they brand it as vauxhall | Jan 27 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | that's about it | Jan 27 18:50 |
| MarcusKoze | dont know, dont you like the, ? | Jan 27 18:50 |
| MarcusKoze | it;s my favourite brand | Jan 27 18:50 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: it's an error, it's old news | Jan 27 18:50 |
| schestowitz | August 2008 iirc | Jan 27 18:50 |
| ianto | Erm you people have favourite brands? | Jan 27 18:50 |
| MarcusKoze | cheap, durable, safe, stable, easily maintanable ... | Jan 27 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | I hate GM cars, they only made one thing that I've driven and liked | Jan 27 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | the Chevrolet Beretta | Jan 27 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 27 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | not the 4 cylinder, the 3.1 liter 6 cylinder | Jan 27 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | the car's frame weighs virtually nothing, you can get it up to 130 miles per hour | Jan 27 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | it was a fun little car, RIP | Jan 27 18:51 |
| ianto | You guys really ought not to buy into brand names | Jan 27 18:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | ianto: :) | Jan 27 18:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | ianto: amen | Jan 27 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | ianto: I'll stick to Ford, my car is 15 years old and it does still start up reliably | Jan 27 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | It's like Al Bundy's undying Dodge | Jan 27 18:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you have an amazing ability to refuse to see points of principle :) | Jan 27 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | correction, 16 years old | Jan 27 18:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and skate along the surface of things, with numbers and anecdotes | Jan 27 18:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh well, diff'rent strokes | Jan 27 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: GM makes a lot of shit | Jan 27 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | just total outright fucking shit | Jan 27 18:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | case in point. :) | Jan 27 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | weird failures of everything | Jan 27 18:53 |
| ianto | DaemonFC: If you're current car of that model and year has proven to be successul by all means buy it but don't buy Fords for the rest of your life due to it | Jan 27 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | even when the car is basically new | Jan 27 18:53 |
| *FurnaceBoy goes to join #boycottcars | Jan 27 18:53 | |
| DaemonFC | oh, my mom has an '04 Impala, nothing but problems | Jan 27 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | weird noises, gas gauge doesn't work | Jan 27 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | car alarm goes off when you open the trunk | Jan 27 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | Cadillac is not all that reliable for a $30,000 car either | Jan 27 18:54 |
| MarcusKoze | who makes the impala ? | Jan 27 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | GM under the Chevrolet brand | Jan 27 18:55 |
| MarcusKoze | oh | Jan 27 18:55 |
| MarcusKoze | i'm not so deep into cars :) | Jan 27 18:55 |
| MarcusKoze | thought it's Ford :) | Jan 27 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.w0bsh.com/site/photos/ChevyImpala/04Impala.jpg | Jan 27 18:55 |
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| DaemonFC | http://forum.avtoindex.com/foto/data/media/37/Ford_Taurus_1992-95_30.jpg | Jan 27 18:56 |
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| DaemonFC | that is what I drive now | Jan 27 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't look that great though (stock picture) | Jan 27 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not considering anything smaller than a 3 liter V6, that's my only real hard limit | Jan 27 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to get one of the 2010 Ford Taurus SHO's, but those cost a fortune | Jan 27 18:57 |
| MarcusKoze | yuch, we have a 1.6 liter opel / vauxhall | Jan 27 18:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | well enjoy it while you can. they don't make oil any more. | Jan 27 18:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX, why do you steer discussion here towards guns and cars? | Jan 27 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | cause | Jan 27 18:58 |
| MarcusKoze | haha, good point there | Jan 27 18:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ;) | Jan 27 18:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yank obsessions | Jan 27 18:58 |
| schestowitz | National sport | Jan 27 18:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: this is what civilisation is reduced to | Jan 27 18:58 |
| MarcusKoze | :)) | Jan 27 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | I like to commit drive by shootings and get away faster than people can walk briskly after me | Jan 27 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I won't take a 4 cylinder engine | Jan 27 18:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: spare us more of your fantasies | Jan 27 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | I was being sarcastic | Jan 27 18:59 |
| schestowitz | But cars and guns are 2nd and 3rd... to fashionable consumption (malls etc.) | Jan 27 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | somewhat | Jan 27 18:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: did you skim the comment thread at the end of Monbiot's "Arrest that m*****f***** Blair" article? | Jan 27 18:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Grauniad | Jan 27 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: I'd rather reduce my gas mileage by a marginal amount and not get pushed around by the wind | Jan 27 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's not like I'm pining for a 6 liter V12 Mercedes | Jan 27 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | tell the rich people about carbon emissions and taking up twice their fair share of everything | Jan 27 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | bulletproof Hummers @ 4 miles per gallon | Jan 27 19:01 |
| *ianto doesn't understand DaemonFC's obsession with cars, it's not as if America has any good roads anyway | Jan 27 19:01 | |
| _Goblin | you havent seen his obsession with Guns yet. | Jan 27 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | they're serviceable | Jan 27 19:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | ugh | Jan 27 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | I have a radar detector | Jan 27 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | lets rock :) | Jan 27 19:02 |
| ianto | You will never be able to experience miles upon miles of curvatious roads :) | Jan 27 19:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, if i wanted to listen to yanks yammer on about their pointless fin-de-siecle obsessions, I'd move there | Jan 27 19:02 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah.... | Jan 27 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | Canada outlawed radar detectors, he's jealous | Jan 27 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | feel the jealous vibes 8-) | Jan 27 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | the funny thing abut the law here is that they let you have workable countermeasures to all the equipment the police have at readily affordable prices | Jan 27 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | it does lead to an arms race though, maybe that's the idea | Jan 27 19:06 |
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| MarcusKoze | hey, here's some paranoia from me :) | Jan 27 19:08 |
| MarcusKoze | did anyone read "The Holcroft Covenant" by Robert Ludlum ? | Jan 27 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | must have missed it :) | Jan 27 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | MarcusKoze: The funniest thing I've ever seen the police use is VG-2 | Jan 27 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | a radar detector detector | Jan 27 19:12 |
| MarcusKoze | hehe | Jan 27 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | so now all the radar detectors detect the VG-2 unit, warn the driver, and then shut off so they can't be detected | Jan 27 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | so you have a readar detector detector detection system with built in stealth mode | Jan 27 19:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft to Spy on Indians, #Bank Accounts, #Health Records (and Profiles of Customers) http://ur1.ca/ktsv | Jan 27 19:12 | |
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| MarcusKoze | in here , it used to be illegal to have a radar detector, but they've eventualy legalised it | Jan 27 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | 8-) | Jan 27 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | here it's only illegal in Washington D.C. and all of Virginia | Jan 27 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | legal in the other 49 states | Jan 27 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | Virginia is a bunch of traffic ticket nazis | Jan 27 19:14 |
| MarcusKoze | hey, btw. i've been curious, what the heck does DC stand for in Wash. DC ? | Jan 27 19:14 |
| ianto | Watch your language | Jan 27 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | they even have airplanes fly over highways hitting the cars with radar and lidar | Jan 27 19:14 |
| ianto | District of Columbia | Jan 27 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | painting them as targets for police cruisers on the ground | Jan 27 19:14 |
| MarcusKoze | hahahaha aaaaaa | Jan 27 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | MarcusKoze: District of Columbia, like he said, it's not a state, it's a federal district | Jan 27 19:15 |
| MarcusKoze | ianto: what do you mean language ? | Jan 27 19:15 |
| MarcusKoze | you mean that "heck" ? | Jan 27 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | semi-autonomous local government | Jan 27 19:15 |
| ianto | MarcusKoze: His nazi calling spree | Jan 27 19:15 |
| MarcusKoze | oh :) | Jan 27 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | well, they have AIRPLANES tagging speeders! | Jan 27 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, damn | Jan 27 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | they have traffic signal cameras, roadside automated radar traps | Jan 27 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | everything | Jan 27 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | there is just no other state that hell bent on stopping you for going 5 mph over and giving you a $120 ticket | Jan 27 19:17 |
| ianto | Well at 30mph if you hit someone there is an 80% chance they'll live, at 40mph there is an 80% chance they'll die | Jan 27 19:18 |
| ianto | an extra 5mph can make a big difference | Jan 27 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | I've only ever seen roadside radar with cameras in a few places in Indiana and they're stationary and bouncing radar off everything that goes by | Jan 27 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | so they're easy to detect | Jan 27 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | a police officer with an "instant on" system can ambush you, though he's probably painting cars ahead of you | Jan 27 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | so you can usually tell he's out there | Jan 27 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | I've had a few close calls even with the detector, where I only had maybe 10 seconds warning | Jan 27 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | if it's just a cop driving around that leaves it on, enough of it will bounce off signs, the road, whatever to usually warn you with 20 seconds or more | Jan 27 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | what pissed me off was one time when I really did get ambushed and my detector goes from 0 to 10 instantly and the lights and sirens come on | Jan 27 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | hurried up and ripped it off the windshield and shoved it under my seat, got a warning ticket :) | Jan 27 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | somehow I always get warnings no matter what I've done | Jan 27 19:23 |
| ianto | Excuse me whilst I fire up MonoDevelop 2.0 | Jan 27 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | I think I've had 9 warnings in the last 10 years | Jan 27 19:23 |
| ianto | In the UK you would have no driving licence | Jan 27 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | ianto: Cook me up a Windows Banshee | Jan 27 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | ianto: I get a good driver discount on my car insurance | Jan 27 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | that's the funniest thing | Jan 27 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | and no points on my license | Jan 27 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | I think you can get 6 points before they take it away for a year | Jan 27 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | make you take a defensive driving class | Jan 27 19:24 |
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| DaemonFC | ianto: I not only have my license, I have a pre-fascist license | Jan 27 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | as in, not REAL ID compliant | Jan 27 19:25 |
| ianto | Do you suffer from ADHD out of plain curiosity? | Jan 27 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have to get a REAL ID license unless I move or something | Jan 27 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | ianto: I've been told that | Jan 27 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | speaking of licenses, I still have a Class B CDL until 2012 | Jan 27 19:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Geeks! I have 2x1.5TB USB disks. Want one to mirror the other on Linux. Can lag, doesn't have to be RAID1. Tips? | Jan 27 19:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] YES I WANT A BLOODY iPAD ALREADY AARGH AARGH AARGH DAMN YOU JOBS DAMN YOUUUUUU | Jan 27 19:39 | |
| Tallken | someone is going crazy on the chan messages :p | Jan 27 19:41 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com is down \0/ | Jan 27 19:42 |
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| schestowitz | Tallken: what do you mean? | Jan 27 19:42 |
| cubezzz | bah, ipad :) | Jan 27 19:42 |
| Tallken | -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell- [davidgerard] YES I WANT A BLOODY iPAD ALREADY AARGH AARGH AARGH DAMN YOU JOBS DAMN YOUUUUUU | Jan 27 19:43 |
| cubezzz | heh | Jan 27 19:43 |
| MinceR | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/27/south_african_police_apple_tablet_photos/ | Jan 27 19:43 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: may cause nausea | Jan 27 19:44 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 27 19:45 |
| MinceR | and it's often taken with kool-aid | Jan 27 19:45 |
| cubezzz | the crappy thing is I still haven't found a domestic source for arm laptop | Jan 27 19:45 |
| cubezzz | intel atom yes, arm no | Jan 27 19:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Apple and kool-aid are like gin and tonic :-) | Jan 27 19:46 |
| MinceR | kool-aid helps the cultists swallow the pill. | Jan 27 19:46 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: "domestic"? | Jan 27 19:46 |
| cubezzz | Canadian MinceR | Jan 27 19:46 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 27 19:46 |
| cubezzz | so I don't need to go through customs | Jan 27 19:47 |
| schestowitz | ZDNyet is still down | Jan 27 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | ecstasy!!!!! | Jan 27 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Been a while | Jan 27 19:47 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: see what you did by mentioning drugs? | Jan 27 19:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX found another area of expertise | Jan 27 19:47 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 27 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Can you get to http://blogs.zdnet.com/Foremski/?p=1080 ? | Jan 27 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they reroute for the UK | Jan 27 19:49 |
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| schestowitz | Novell has just earned two more software patents : http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_14278130 | Jan 27 19:50 |
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| MinceR | 204554 < schestowitz> Can you get to http://blogs.zdnet.com/Foremski/?p=1080 ? | Jan 27 19:50 |
| MinceR | The connection was reset | Jan 27 19:50 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Businesses like to say "it's a PATENTED process" to make it sound like theirs is the best and nobody could ever match them | Jan 27 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's a marketing ploy because people are stupid | Jan 27 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.sltrib.com/ci_14274989?source=most_viewed | Jan 27 19:53 |
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| DaemonFC | and the vermin begin to scamper under the refrigerator | Jan 27 19:53 |
| schestowitz | "Rumors are the only way to spread the news in China when officials suppress it, as they often do." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#27%20January%202010%20%28China%20issues%20counter%20accusations%20of%20cyber%20warfare%20at%20US%29 | Jan 27 19:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they it means, "windows was reset" | Jan 27 20:00 |
| schestowitz | They use Linux though | Jan 27 20:00 |
| MinceR | no, it means that the webserver sent an RST to terminate the TCP connection :> | Jan 27 20:00 |
| schestowitz | The admin dropped his dentures into the server | Jan 27 20:00 |
| MinceR | probably after the handshake, since if it happened during the handshake, it would probably be "Connection refused" | Jan 27 20:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nybooks.com/articles/23630 | Jan 27 20:01 |
| MinceR | hm, actually it says "Unable to connect" then | Jan 27 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | "You can't refuse me! I refuse YOU!!" | Jan 27 20:01 |
| MinceR | "is this Soviet Russia?" | Jan 27 20:02 |
| schestowitz | WT..? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1245420/She-killed-boyfriend-heroin-overdose--I-hate--loved-son-I-did.html | Jan 27 20:03 |
| schestowitz | They shipped serva to Gulag | Jan 27 20:03 |
| *_Goblin has quit ("Lost terminal") | Jan 27 20:03 | |
| schestowitz | "Doctors trying to reexamine the suspicious "suicide" of Dr. Kelly found the the UK government has sealed the records more than usual. This fuels suspicion that the government murdered Dr. Kelly to silence him." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2009-nov-feb.html#27%20January%202010%20%28Lord%20Hutton%20blocks%20David%20Kelly%20murder%20inquiry%29 | Jan 27 20:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/25/gilderdale-cleared-attempted-murder-daughter | Jan 27 20:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/26/red_hat_bi_java_oracle/ | Jan 27 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | "Lord Hutton's decision to classify documents about the death of Dr David Kelly is likely to face a legal challenge amid claims by experts that there are increasing grounds to question the inquiry's verdict of suicide." | Jan 27 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | ZDc* is coming back | Jan 27 20:13 |
| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/369511/ | Jan 27 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | Matt Asay has begun advertising Apple again and he's fuelling anti-Linux Garnter analysts | Jan 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | What stooges... | Jan 27 20:18 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't even write about FOSS anymore. Oh well.. maybe for the better :-) | Jan 27 20:19 |
| schestowitz | PJ is also spending time defending Apple...... pffffffff..... http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100127022029404 | Jan 27 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-five-months-after-going-public-shanda-games-loses-its-ceo/ | Jan 27 20:24 |
| schestowitz | I started reading ghabuntu last month because the content was very good (found in TM). Worth subscribing to........ | Jan 27 20:25 |
| schestowitz | https://tipit.to/wikileaks.org | Jan 27 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | Wow, Google 'stole' my idea: http://googlereader.blogspot.com/2010/01/follow-changes-to-any-website.html | Jan 27 20:26 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @rlancefield "Election Loss Likelihood Threat Level" raised to "Severe". | Jan 27 20:26 | |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Software/Google_Cron/ | Jan 27 20:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Yay! I beat Google to it (by 5 years) http://ur1.ca/kodt mine: http://ur1.ca/ku1m | Jan 27 20:28 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704094304575028951284541726.html?mod=WSJ_Taxes_MoreHeadlines | Jan 27 20:29 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Oregon Passes Tax Boost on Wealthy, Corporations - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 111.14 KB | Jan 27 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jan 27 20:29 |
| schestowitz | It's funny that one Red Hat employee contacted me to ask about the Ubuntu thing compared to Novell's | Jan 27 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Novell signed a deal that punishes other linux vendors | Jan 27 20:31 |
| schestowitz | IMHO, Ubuntu signs a shot-in-the-foot deal | Jan 27 20:31 |
| schestowitz | I expect some people who are new to Linux to choose Pardus or something | Jan 27 20:32 |
| schestowitz | What a shame......... | Jan 27 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704905604575027182399728218.html?mod=WSJ_hp_editorsPicks | Jan 27 20:32 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Kraft is buying all your food businesses to shut them down and make more room for their stuff? | Jan 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: banana republic in the mid-west | Jan 27 20:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: pharmas do this too | Jan 27 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | I remember that Terry's briefly sold some chocolate oranges here | Jan 27 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes it's cheaper/more profitable to bribe competitors to join or to stop competing | Jan 27 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | they didn't exactly sell well | Jan 27 20:34 |
| schestowitz | With pharmas i's worse | Jan 27 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Casue there are the patent elements | Jan 27 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | they ended up selling what was left of the shipment to Big Lots | Jan 27 20:34 |
| schestowitz | They drive GENERICS off the shelves | Jan 27 20:34 |
| schestowitz | In India they do this a lot | Jan 27 20:34 |
| schestowitz | So they drive you to death by preventing access to generics | Jan 27 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's hard to muscle store brand groceries off the shelves | Jan 27 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart for example, makes a lot of money off store brand groceries, they only get rid of them if the competitor whips out the checkbook and buys the rest of the shelf | Jan 27 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes the Walmart brand is made by the same people as the national brand (at least 60% of the time I'd say) | Jan 27 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart basically "auctions" shelf space by making competitors "bid" for it | Jan 27 20:36 |
| cubezzz | blah | Jan 27 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's quite evil and should be illegal | Jan 27 20:36 |
| cubezzz | don't give Walmart your money | Jan 27 20:37 |
| cubezzz | another evil monopolist | Jan 27 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's really easier said than done when the Kroger here is usually a third more expensive | Jan 27 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | I go to Kroger if they have a really great sale | Jan 27 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | their meat is good | Jan 27 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart's tastes like they killed a 95 year old cow and preserved it in salt | Jan 27 20:38 |
| cubezzz | heh | Jan 27 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | pretty much all gristle, their hamburger anyway | Jan 27 20:38 |
| cubezzz | well there you go :) | Jan 27 20:38 |
| cubezzz | you get what you pay for | Jan 27 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | I like the 93/7 stuff | Jan 27 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart's doesn't go higher than 75/25 | Jan 27 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | it really is disgusting | Jan 27 20:39 |
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| DaemonFC | you have to cook them in the George Foreman grill to get the fat out and then the rest is like burnt rubber | Jan 27 20:40 |
| trmanco | hey guys | Jan 27 20:40 |
| cubezzz | I can buy albacore or budget brand tuna, but I'll pay the extra and get albacore | Jan 27 20:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.the-source.com/2010/01/checking-in-on-the-gnome-foundation/ | Jan 27 20:40 |
| trmanco | and gals | Jan 27 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | it's the only way to describe it | Jan 27 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: hey, what's new? | Jan 27 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Cold winter | Jan 27 20:40 |
| schestowitz | You came at the worst time | Jan 27 20:41 |
| trmanco | schestowitz: it snows already LOL | Jan 27 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart also has frozen bacon burgers, burnt leathery rubber bacon burgers with 470 calories per patty | Jan 27 20:41 |
| trmanco | I had my hands freezen the whole morning | Jan 27 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | yum yum eat 'em up | Jan 27 20:41 |
| trmanco | frozen* | Jan 27 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | enough cholesterol and sodium to kill anything that's ever lived | Jan 27 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | makes McDonalds look like health food | Jan 27 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | and people actually eat this shit | Jan 27 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | that's what's wrong here, not that we lack universal health care, that people eat this shit and wonder why they have 3 heart attacks and a stroke on the way to age 70 | Jan 27 20:43 |
| cubezzz | yeah don't use doze and don't shop at Walmart | Jan 27 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | end stage renal failure for the bonus round..... | Jan 27 20:43 |
| cubezzz | two easy to remember tips | Jan 27 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: I will not eat Walmart meat, I have to go so many places in town to shop to avoid high grocery prices and get everything I need | Jan 27 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | but it's well worth it to avoid Walmart's meat, Kroger's high prices, and Big Lots only carrying dry grocery | Jan 27 20:44 |
| cubezzz | yes, I do similar, but buy all at one place | Jan 27 20:45 |
| cubezzz | in Ontario we have Loblaws which is pretty decent | Jan 27 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Walmart will declare war on every business in town | Jan 27 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | aren't they taking over in Canada too? | Jan 27 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Heh. http://www.bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/home/2010/01/we-mustnt-discriminate-against-the-unreliable.html | Jan 27 20:46 |
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| cubezzz | no :) | Jan 27 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart will make it a point to dump merchandise really cheap long enough to run everyone else out of town | Jan 27 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | then they jack the price up to higher than the competitors had | Jan 27 20:46 |
| cubezzz | we have Loblaws/No Frills, and Sobeys/Price Chopper | Jan 27 20:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they own Asda in the UK | Jan 27 20:47 |
| cubezzz | Walmart is crappy, I don't give them 1 cent :) | Jan 27 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Before a supercenter opens, the store management goes around profiling all the other businesses and giving an estimate of how long it will take to shut them down | Jan 27 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | I've also went to competing stores with a device made to look like a phone, scanned all their items Walmart was interested in, and punched in the prices | Jan 27 20:48 |
| cubezzz | the customer has the power of choice | Jan 27 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | then you take it back to Walmart, plug it in, and the store's computer lowers Walmart's prices by 10% vs. the competitor | Jan 27 20:48 |
| cubezzz | doesn't matter | Jan 27 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | the department managers sign into their handheld terminals and print out the new shelf labels | Jan 27 20:48 |
| cubezzz | you know Walmarts prices aren't even that great | Jan 27 20:49 |
| cubezzz | it's a fallacy that "Their price is the lowest" | Jan 27 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | they are where they have to be until the competitor is ran out of town | Jan 27 20:49 |
| cubezzz | maybe | Jan 27 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | then they jack up prices in that category | Jan 27 20:49 |
| cubezzz | i think some Euro countries kicked Walmart out | Jan 27 20:49 |
| cubezzz | like Germany, not positive though | Jan 27 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart is willing to run their store at a loss to ruin surrounding competition | Jan 27 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen them do it | Jan 27 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | I've done it for them | Jan 27 20:50 |
| cubezzz | in Southern Ontario there is lots of competition in the food business | Jan 27 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | if the entire store is bleeding cash, that's alright for a year or two if it means decimating the competition, salting the Earth of them | Jan 27 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Walmart has a bigger scale than anyone else, a more efficient store delivery system | Jan 27 20:51 |
| cubezzz | Loblaws has an excellent bakery, far superior to Walmart | Jan 27 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | they look for anything and everything to get operational costs to a minimum | Jan 27 20:51 |
| cubezzz | their quality is low | Jan 27 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, better product and better customer service can really help the competition | Jan 27 20:52 |
| cubezzz | would you buy a computer there? Of course not | Jan 27 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | but the customer is buying the same thing at a lower price at Walmart 80% of the time | Jan 27 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | so you have to be a specialty shop to outmaneuver them | Jan 27 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | and even that may not save you | Jan 27 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | people might throw Walmart baked goods in the cart just because they're at Walmart anyway | Jan 27 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | this is the plan | Jan 27 20:53 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, Germany kicked Walmart out :) | Jan 27 20:53 |
| cubezzz | just like Microsoft is getting the boot, so will Walmart | Jan 27 20:53 |
| cubezzz | once people wake up | Jan 27 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: And as a former Walmart manager eith a little bit of inside knowledge of how they do things.... | Jan 27 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | Germany made the right call | Jan 27 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | *with | Jan 27 20:53 |
| cubezzz | I don't think NYC has Walmart either | Jan 27 20:54 |
| cubezzz | or Chicago | Jan 27 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | get rid of them while you can, they'll strip mine your town, your state, your country | Jan 27 20:54 |
| trmanco | I went to wallmart today | Jan 27 20:54 |
| trmanco | walmart* | Jan 27 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | send it all to Bentonville, Arkansas | Jan 27 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | and China | Jan 27 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | and India | Jan 27 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | and Bangladesh | Jan 27 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | and Thailand | Jan 27 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | Malaysia | Jan 27 20:55 |
| cubezzz | I have never bought from Walmart | Jan 27 20:55 |
| cubezzz | _ever_ | Jan 27 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | Mexico | Jan 27 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | wherever there's no worker safety laws, no minimum wages, no environmental protection, you'll find a Walmarrt supplier running a sweatshop | Jan 27 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | possibly even with child labor | Jan 27 20:56 |
| cubezzz | surely for groceries you can do better than Walmart? | Jan 27 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | not really, they just ran the "premium" grocery store out in May of last year | Jan 27 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | Marsh | Jan 27 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | higher prices, but they carried better/fresher/tastier stuff | Jan 27 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | didn't save them | Jan 27 20:57 |
| cubezzz | man, that's terrible | Jan 27 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Walmart is trying to devour everything in their path | Jan 27 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | and Marsh had the best meat department I've ever been to | Jan 27 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | they didn't carry one thing that I didn't like | Jan 27 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | same with bakery and dairy departments | Jan 27 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | you replace that fresh-made stuff with Walmart's processed crap | Jan 27 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's disgusting | Jan 27 20:58 |
| cubezzz | Loblaws has been around since the 1920's | Jan 27 20:58 |
| cubezzz | maybe even longer | Jan 27 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart doesn't even have a butcher, they get all their meat preprocessed and prepackaged | Jan 27 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | Smithfield | Jan 27 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | Google it | Jan 27 20:59 |
| cubezzz | I believe you | Jan 27 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | illegal aliens, wage and hour violations, worker safety violations | Jan 27 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | they even literally are the local government | Jan 27 21:00 |
| cubezzz | Loblaws: founded 1919 | Jan 27 21:00 |
| *gargoyle-grin has quit ("Leaving.") | Jan 27 21:00 | |
| DaemonFC | the police in that town are Smithfield employees | Jan 27 21:00 |
| cubezzz | in fact, our family has shopped at Loblaws since the 60's | Jan 27 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's a company town they're running | Jan 27 21:00 |
| cubezzz | did you know when I first came to Canada there was no McDolands or Burger King? | Jan 27 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | Walking Tall has nothing on Smithfield Meat Packing | Jan 27 21:00 |
| cubezzz | McDonalds | Jan 27 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Where are you from, and when did you get to Canada? | Jan 27 21:01 |
| cubezzz | N. Ireland (Belfast), 1967 | Jan 27 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | meh, makes sense then | Jan 27 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think there was a lot of fast food here even in 1967 | Jan 27 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | it exploded in the 70s and 80s | Jan 27 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | nobody has a sit down dinner anymore | Jan 27 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | rush rush, employer demands more of your time every week | Jan 27 21:03 |
| cubezzz | in the US there was, but I wouldn't know first-hand | Jan 27 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | no time for the family, everyone for themselves, pop something in the microwave | Jan 27 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | that's where this processed food bullshit came from too | Jan 27 21:03 |
| cubezzz | actually I cook | Jan 27 21:04 |
| cubezzz | stopped eating fast food around 2005 | Jan 27 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | there's an aisle for snacks, three aisles for frozen convenience food, a wall of lunch meat, a wall of pre-processed cheeses | Jan 27 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | the fresh produce is like 1/10th the size of all the convenience food departments | Jan 27 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | even then half of it's not fresh, it's salad kits | Jan 27 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | pre-sliced fruit salads | Jan 27 21:05 |
| cubezzz | I seem to remember Piggly Wiggly :) | Jan 27 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's not surprising that nobody eats right, everyone has high blood pressure, everyone has high cholesterol | Jan 27 21:06 |
| cubezzz | not sure if they are still around in the USA | Jan 27 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | the convenience store chain? | Jan 27 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | probably somewhere | Jan 27 21:06 |
| cubezzz | supermarket chain I believe | Jan 27 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | oh, the grocery store | Jan 27 21:07 |
| cubezzz | big in NH | Jan 27 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen them, in the south | Jan 27 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | they need to bring back Hardees | Jan 27 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | you have those there? | Jan 27 21:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Apple launches #iPad for that time of iMonth http://newstechnica.com/?p=1377 | Jan 27 21:07 | |
| cubezzz | I see some American supermarket commericals on ABC, NBC, CBS | Jan 27 21:07 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Apple launches iPad for that time of iMonth | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 37.97 KB | Jan 27 21:07 |
| cubezzz | I'm close to Buffalo you see | Jan 27 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | monster triple thickburger, like 1600 calories\ | Jan 27 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | now that is gluttony | Jan 27 21:08 |
| cubezzz | SuperValu is one of them | Jan 27 21:08 |
| cubezzz | what's the recommended daily intake? | Jan 27 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | meh, 2,000-2,500 for most people per day | Jan 27 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | 2,000 being a woman | Jan 27 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | or a really short man I suppose | Jan 27 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | I had it figured out once that 2,000 a day would leave me at about 150 pounds | Jan 27 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | so it's not really enough to sustain me, but it's close enough to slap on the back of a package of something | Jan 27 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | the problem is that it's so easy to overdo it | Jan 27 21:12 |
| cubezzz | "The estimated calories per day for men between 31 - 50 should be 2,400 - 2,600 for moderately active men, and 2,800 - 3,000 for active men." | Jan 27 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | you add a small pack of M&M's to that and suddenly I'm 200 pounds | Jan 27 21:12 |
| cubezzz | "he estimated calories per day for men between 19 - 30 should be 2,600 - 2,800 for moderately active men, and 3,000 for active men." | Jan 27 21:13 |
| cubezzz | so 2000 per day would be rather low | Jan 27 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be a blimp at 2600 | Jan 27 21:15 |
| schestowitz | What's "active"? | Jan 27 21:15 |
| schestowitz | my heart keeps beating, I think I'm "active" | Jan 27 21:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/25/technology/25link.html?partner=rss&emc=rss | Jan 27 21:16 |
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| cubezzz | I assume someone who does at least 1 hour per day of exercise | Jan 27 21:16 |
| schestowitz | What exercise? | Jan 27 21:16 |
| cubezzz | an hour per day on a stationary bike for example | Jan 27 21:16 |
| schestowitz | And it depends on bodyweight | Jan 27 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, because fat and muscle both add to your base metabolic rate | Jan 27 21:17 |
| schestowitz | These measures don't take some factors into account like race, size... just gender | Jan 27 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | you lose weight slower the more weight you lose | Jan 27 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | I think it takes like 10 calories a day to maintain a pound of fat and 18 a day for muscle | Jan 27 21:17 |
| cubezzz | well, if you don't walk, and you sit on your butt at work and you don't exercise, then I can safely say you're not active :) | Jan 27 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | so once you've lost 50 pounds, you've be forced to cut off 500 calories a day to keep losing weight at the speed you started out at | Jan 27 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | which is the cause of a plateau | Jan 27 21:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard NewsTechnica: Apple launches #iPad for that time of iMonth http://newstechnica.com/?p=1377 | Jan 27 21:18 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Apple launches iPad for that time of iMonth | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 37.97 KB | Jan 27 21:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/will_idealism_be_firefoxs_downfall.php that Firefox comes from Sarah from Microsoft... known shill | Jan 27 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Stupid shills | Jan 27 21:19 |
| cubezzz | extra demerits for not getting out of the car and going to drive-thrus :) | Jan 27 21:19 |
| schestowitz | SOmeone mailed me about her before.... Microsoft has flooded sites with minions who do 'news' | Jan 27 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Sarah Perez ...... | Jan 27 21:19 |
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| trmanco | cya guys | Jan 27 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Drive-Thru means they screw up your order and throw like one ketchup packet in the bag | Jan 27 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | and you don't find out until you're home | Jan 27 21:36 |
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| DaemonFC | one time I had them hand me the order for the guy behind me and charge me for mine | Jan 27 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | he had like 3 times as much stuff as I ordered so I took it and threw the rest in the fridge | Jan 27 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | I'm a dishonest opportunist | Jan 27 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, schestowitz, Florida is getting all the high speed rail pork from Obama's stimulus | Jan 27 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | nothing like shoring up a swing state with billions of dollars seized from other states, huh? | Jan 27 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | the state that needs it the least is getting it | Jan 27 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | political maneuver, not even thinly veiled | Jan 27 21:43 |
| schestowitz | ARPA? | Jan 27 21:52 |
| schestowitz | AARP I mean? | Jan 27 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | nah, though they are pretty wicked about securing pork | Jan 27 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | AARP has Washington seize money from my generation to give more Medicare handouts to rich old people that don't even need them | Jan 27 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | even millionaires can use Medicare, schestowitz | Jan 27 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's not a needs-based program | Jan 27 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: When Bill Gates is 65, he could take Medicare if he wanted | Jan 27 21:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin we should try Monday... | Jan 27 21:54 | |
| DaemonFC | even though millions of people under 65 who actually need it can't get it | Jan 27 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | they need to make an income and asset ceiling for Medicare | Jan 27 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | AARP will be damned if a large chunk of their members get thrown out though | Jan 27 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | I would set a total combined income/asset limit of $350,000 for single people and $700,000 for couples | Jan 27 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | if I was running the world :) | Jan 27 21:57 |
| schestowitz | @_goblin we should try Monday...http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2010/01/enter-big-dragon.html | Jan 27 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | Where had _Goblin gone....? | Jan 27 21:59 |
| schestowitz | *has | Jan 27 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/01/11/2170075.aspx | Jan 27 22:00 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Check that out | Jan 27 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | companies that exist on paper, make up fake patients, and bill Medicare for "services" | Jan 27 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | 8-) | Jan 27 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | you could cover hundreds of real people with each one of this shell companies that spring up | Jan 27 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | *these | Jan 27 22:01 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8482880.stm | Jan 27 22:01 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Jobs did what Ballmer didn't - wow the crowd with a new product, but then, the Mac faithful are kinda sheep like with Jobs announcements | Jan 27 22:01 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: your system is more messed up than ours.... | Jan 27 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | no shit | Jan 27 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | our system is set up to enrich the bastards who are bankrupting it | Jan 27 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry | Jan 27 22:02 |
| schestowitz | They bought a condo in some other country by now | Jan 27 22:03 |
| schestowitz | The money goes to Switzerland | Jan 27 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | they then funnel part of that money into campaign contributions for the politicians to give them more tax money under the guise of Medicare | Jan 27 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's a cycle | Jan 27 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | Medicare is FORBIDDEN to negotiate with the Pharma Cartel, schestowitz | Jan 27 22:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb see @davidgerard on: Apple launches #iPad for that time of iMonth http://newstechnica.com/?p=1377 | Jan 27 22:03 | |
| DaemonFC | they have to pay full retail price for prescriptions | Jan 27 22:03 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Apple launches iPad for that time of iMonth | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 37.97 KB | Jan 27 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | the Veterans Administration is paying half what Medicare is because they can negotiate | Jan 27 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | When I get medical coverage, they still won't pay anything, I'll be paying the premiums and my meds because they're all generic and cost less than the copay | Jan 27 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | the system rewards waste, fraud, abuse, and covers those who need it least with the most coverage | Jan 27 22:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-ailurus-10.01.5-on-fedora | Jan 27 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: now they are over capacity | Jan 27 22:22 |
| schestowitz | First they brought the Chinese to build rail system | Jan 27 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Then black slaves (again, as above, just the fittest) | Jan 27 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Now they are enjoying immigration of not just escapees from Europe | Jan 27 22:23 |
| schestowitz | The US got a let of assets when people escapes WW2 | Jan 27 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Rail To Nowhere | Jan 27 22:23 |
| schestowitz | And used the destruction | Jan 27 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | you heard it here first | Jan 27 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Now the US gets overpopulated with "unwanted" babies (abortion denounced by Christian groups) | Jan 27 22:24 |
| schestowitz | So basically there's not much left to milk | Jan 27 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of those pork projects that makes the liberals happy schestowitz | Jan 27 22:24 |
| schestowitz | The rich class also killed the middle class | Jan 27 22:24 |
| schestowitz | So no low-hanging fruit | Jan 27 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | they don't want to encourage personal ownership | Jan 27 22:24 |
| schestowitz | They have turned some middle class bankrupt with their latest sub-primes. | Jan 27 22:24 |
| schestowitz | ANd the economy collapsed | Jan 27 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | taking away peoples cars and replacing it with mass transit furthers the socialist agenda | Jan 27 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 27 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Little left to 'feed' on | Jan 27 22:25 |
| schestowitz | $14tr in debt | Jan 27 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Sorry for the typos above.. heaps of them | Jan 27 22:25 |
| *schestowitz back to reading news | Jan 27 22:25 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Congress just authorizes themselves to spend more money we don't have | Jan 27 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | every year, like clock work | Jan 27 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | if I could do this, I'd be overdrawn by millions of dollars at my bank with no firm due date | Jan 27 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | with interest racking up | Jan 27 22:26 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.datamation.com/blog/2010/01/is-your-passwor.html | Jan 27 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Constitutional amendment to limit military spending to a fixed percent of GDP | Jan 27 22:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: all that money has to be paid back | Jan 27 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | yet another thing we miss, sadly | Jan 27 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Reparations at least | Jan 27 22:27 |
| schestowitz | So you're basically mortgaging your grandchildrens' future | Jan 27 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: At this point, I believe the US government is going to declare it is insolvent at some point | Jan 27 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | and be forced to dissolve itself | Jan 27 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | if the cash flow stops, the government can't continue | Jan 27 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | it's not really a stretch | Jan 27 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | I expect the state governments will put together a revised federal government | Jan 27 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | hopefully the new constitution will start out by banning the kinds of behavior that caused this | Jan 27 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | it may sound crazy, after all the government telling everyone it's alive and well B-) | Jan 27 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | I think the government might be a little biased | Jan 27 22:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thelinuxblog.com/ubuntu-unleased-2010-edition-revie/ | Jan 27 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | Chapter XII: Yahoo!? | Jan 27 22:39 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Jan 27 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [22:30] <DaemonFC> I expect the state governments will put together a revised federal government | Jan 27 22:40 |
| schestowitz | USSA? | Jan 27 22:40 |
| MinceR | http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/01/23/schneier.google.hacking/index.html | Jan 27 22:42 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: U.S. enables Chinese hacking of Google - CNN.com .::. Size~: 52.54 KB | Jan 27 22:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: remember this? http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/linux_performance_linux_slow_bloated | Jan 27 22:47 |
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| MinceR | i've looked at it | Jan 27 22:47 |
| schestowitz | I don't know why FSM uses many Linux-hostile headlines recently | Jan 27 22:48 |
| schestowitz | They didn't use to | Jan 27 22:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's OK if 'we' put back doors in s/w, but............... | Jan 27 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Never use a Chinese Linux | Jan 27 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Cause they might have 'their' back doors | Jan 27 22:48 |
| schestowitz | "We" versus "them" | Jan 27 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Think "Hypocrisy | Jan 27 22:49 |
| MinceR | i didn't read much of that article, as when you linked it i thought it was slamming microkernels | Jan 27 22:49 |
| MinceR | but it wasn't :> | Jan 27 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | google was challenged to ban france (over censorship) by the guardian last week | Jan 27 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Hey, Chips_B_Malroy. wb | Jan 27 22:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Roy | Jan 27 22:50 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no, opposite | Jan 27 22:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | are comments down these days? | Jan 27 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Zonker is back with us..... http://ostatic.com/blog/kde-4-4-kreeps-kloser-to-komplete | Jan 27 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | No more Novell kool-aid | Jan 27 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no, why? | Jan 27 22:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ah, I tried to leave on and its not there | Jan 27 22:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | let me check again | Jan 27 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I see..... | Jan 27 22:51 |
| schestowitz | We have auto-queue temporarily cause of a FLOOD of spam | Jan 27 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise we get viagr4 stuff showing up in posts | Jan 27 22:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | lumpy or lin*** back again? | Jan 27 22:52 |
| schestowitz | "Yeah, time to just block Yahoo itself on the router. Sorry Canonical, but I'm not going to put up with Yahoo!'s bullshit for a second just to satisfy your inability to woo over relevent companies." | Jan 27 22:53 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/01/ubuntus-default-search-engine-to-change-in-deal-with-yahoo.ars | Jan 27 22:53 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Ubuntu's default search engine to change in deal with Yahoo .::. Size~: 30.46 KB | Jan 27 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Nobody dares to say that Spencer came from Microsoft | Jan 27 22:53 |
| schestowitz | But we don't know whose idea that deal was | Jan 27 22:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100126135326412 | Jan 27 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no, they are not "back" | Jan 27 22:54 |
| schestowitz | The linXxxxxx trolls have not raided this channel in months | Jan 27 22:54 |
| schestowitz | In fact, we have not had a SINGLE OP in like a month | Jan 27 22:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | curious about the yahoo ubuntu deal? How much are they paying to do this? | Jan 27 22:54 |
| schestowitz | We needed no moderation or presence of authority to mitigate trolls | Jan 27 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: don't know how much they pay | Jan 27 22:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its has to be about money | Jan 27 22:55 |
| schestowitz | I can't help but feel that the MarkS departure has little to do w/ it | Jan 27 22:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | bottom line | Jan 27 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 27 22:56 |
| schestowitz | But... | Jan 27 22:56 |
| schestowitz | They have externalities | Jan 27 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: When the NSA pushes the button, Mr. cell phone is not your friend. :) | Jan 27 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is stashing Mozilla's money | Jan 27 22:56 |
| schestowitz | They support Mozilla's and Google's rival | Jan 27 22:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, like Gates, Shuttleworth control what goes on in his company, maybe nowhere as evil though | Jan 27 22:56 |
| schestowitz | And then use Firefox to take that money | Jan 27 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Oiaohm brought this up | Jan 27 22:56 |
| schestowitz | And I think it's an accurate assessment | Jan 27 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla will get fewer bucks from Linux users now | Jan 27 22:56 |
| schestowitz | It could even turn them bitter wrt Linux users | Jan 27 22:57 |
| schestowitz | They'd say they get more revenue from Windows users | Jan 27 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | and they do | Jan 27 22:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, Yahoo search is or is going be the hidden Bing with jus the Yahoo name correct? | Jan 27 22:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I deliberately avoid cellphones | Jan 27 22:57 |
| schestowitz | For many reasons, mainly 4 | Jan 27 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I would revoke Ubuntu's permission to call it Firefox | Jan 27 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Cancer, privacy, nags, handling charges/operation nuisance | Jan 27 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | make them go BingWeasel | Jan 27 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | 8-) | Jan 27 22:58 |
| schestowitz | People lived fine without cellphone and so have I, except for 4 years when I used one | Jan 27 22:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: BingWeasel . Heh. | Jan 27 22:58 |
| schestowitz | antifeature | Jan 27 22:59 |
| schestowitz | It phones Ballmer | Jan 27 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | instead of the Firefox globe it has steve ballmer's head sticking his tongue out at you | Jan 27 22:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | M$ is paying many to put Bing as default, but to pay Ubuntu to make Yahoo as default is just a sneaky way to make Bing the default | Jan 27 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer heard the news about it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc | Jan 27 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | and it shouts "DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!!!" every time you search with Bing/Yahoo | Jan 27 23:00 |
| schestowitz | OK, let's change the subject, this is counter productive | Jan 27 23:00 |
| cubezzz | you can just set firefox to what you want | Jan 27 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Most people want Google | Jan 27 23:01 |
| cubezzz | or lynx or a million other browsers | Jan 27 23:01 |
| schestowitz | And few people will change it early enough | Jan 27 23:01 |
| schestowitz | They will phone MSFT's DC first | Jan 27 23:01 |
| cubezzz | some even have blank | Jan 27 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu sacrificed # of users for Microsoft dosh | Jan 27 23:01 |
| cubezzz | for home page | Jan 27 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pays Yahoo, pays Ubuntu | Jan 27 23:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | M$ is counting on enough users to not know that Yahoo has or is becoming Bing | Jan 27 23:02 |
| cubezzz | are they really becoming bing? | Jan 27 23:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6560416095.html?kc=rss | Jan 27 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | T'so looks funny here | Jan 27 23:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as Yahoo had the more trusted name and better search | Jan 27 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Like some schoolbook from the 70s | Jan 27 23:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its extension of the renaming ploy, just more dishonest | Jan 27 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: The deal allows Microsoft to build Yahoo search engine features into Bing, and then Yahoo uses Bing as their backend | Jan 27 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | Yahoo probably likes the idea that there are now a few hundred jobs on the chopping block | Jan 27 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | the people writing software to power their engine | Jan 27 23:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yahoo is dead and dieing | Jan 27 23:05 |
| MinceR | yahoo probably has no idea what they want | Jan 27 23:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yahoo's soul was its search enging | Jan 27 23:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *engine | Jan 27 23:05 |
| MinceR | they go back and forth between "we're a search company" and "we're not a search company" | Jan 27 23:05 |
| cubezzz | it could end up a duopoly of search engines: google and bing | Jan 27 23:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | since they will not develop a search engine they do not use, and layoff the engineers for that, Yahoo will lose more quickly | Jan 27 23:06 |
| cubezzz | although probably others would also exist in a smaller capacity | Jan 27 23:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | When Yang left, Yahoo was doomed | Jan 27 23:07 |
| MinceR | we practically already have that duopoly | Jan 27 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | I would have sold it to Microsoft | Jan 27 23:09 |
| MinceR | the other search engines are far behind | Jan 27 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | now they're just going to go bankrupt | Jan 27 23:09 |
| schestowitz | http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums?a=dl&f=174096756&x_id=mtid42075 | Jan 27 23:10 |
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| cubezzz | well again, there's ask and baidu | Jan 27 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Yahoo is not Yahoo! anymore | Jan 27 23:10 |
| cubezzz | so no duopoly yet | Jan 27 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Bartzmer is there to take order from Redmond, IMHO | Jan 27 23:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | how true | Jan 27 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Shareholders. Ha! | Jan 27 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Icahn | Jan 27 23:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/01/streamlined-honda-innova/ | Jan 27 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft showed that it is not only a "cancer" in software but online services too | Jan 27 23:11 |
| schestowitz | It killed an option | Jan 27 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Very cheaply even | Jan 27 23:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I see the M$ quarter is to come out, is it tomorrow? | Jan 27 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Proxy wars and agitation | Jan 27 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Yang was pissed off | Jan 27 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: wait for it........ | Jan 27 23:11 |
| schestowitz | They'll conceal stuff with "Vista 7" | Jan 27 23:11 |
| schestowitz | They'll crow about how it sells better than Vista last year | Jan 27 23:12 |
| schestowitz | I mean, duh! | Jan 27 23:12 |
| schestowitz | But it's a company of lies, so... | Jan 27 23:12 |
| schestowitz | I'll do a proper analysis | Jan 27 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Last quarter Windows revenue was down 40% | Jan 27 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Or profit, I can't recall | Jan 27 23:12 |
| schestowitz | The Register published a lot of Google-hostile stuff | Jan 27 23:13 |
| schestowitz | I get mail complaining about it | Jan 27 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Latest one: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/27/google_toolbar_caught_transmitting_data_when_disabled/ | Jan 27 23:13 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Google Toolbar caught tracking users when 'disabled' • The Register .::. Size~: 22.44 KB | Jan 27 23:13 |
| schestowitz | They seem to be in Microsoft's ballpark | Jan 27 23:13 |
| schestowitz | I don't care much for El Reg anymore | Jan 27 23:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | My thoughts is that MS will bouce back some when this recession is over, but it will not bounce back to previous levels | Jan 27 23:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | those days are gone | Jan 27 23:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | even XP users are not wanting to pay for Vista or Seven, which are bad products even compared to XP | Jan 27 23:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its only forced on them, when they buy new laptops | Jan 27 23:17 |
| cubezzz | I don't think they will bounce back very much | Jan 27 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. http://i.imgur.com/nUtZK.jpg | Jan 27 23:18 |
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| cubezzz | the entire world is starting to reject Microsoft | Jan 27 23:18 |
| MinceR | nice | Jan 27 23:18 |
| cubezzz | apple :) | Jan 27 23:19 |
| schestowitz | http://syntaktisk.dk/grphcs/lunar_c03.png | Jan 27 23:20 |
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| MinceR | nice feature | Jan 27 23:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Apple excels in making their software incompatable on other operating systems, even more than M$ | Jan 27 23:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♻ @threethirty @dbd: http://imgur.com/nUtZK.jpg -- Fake Fake Steve Jobs? #dbd #gnu #fsf | Jan 27 23:20 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8857 | Jan 27 23:22 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Millions to Lose Unemployment Insurance | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 28.38 KB | Jan 27 23:22 |
| tessier | Did I read something about Ubuntu switching to Yahoo/Bing for default search? WTF? | Jan 27 23:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nathaniel73 Support #FOSS #Icecat free version of #firefox #ubuntu #fsf | Jan 27 23:22 | |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: in Apple's world, other operating systems matter less, I think. There are hypervisors, but Apple s/w doesn't get ported much | Jan 27 23:23 |
| MinceR | yes you did | Jan 27 23:23 |
| schestowitz | tessier: good that we have choice :-) | Jan 27 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Not b/w searcj engine | Jan 27 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Also distros | Jan 27 23:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Itunes was an example of what Apple liked to break for Linux | Jan 27 23:23 |
| schestowitz | gnewsense uses Google... no "phone ballmer" antifeature | Jan 27 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: Linux is a huge threat to Apple | Jan 27 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Same uses, different price | Jan 27 23:24 |
| schestowitz | No restrictions | Jan 27 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Apple takes the "first they ignore you" attitude | Jan 27 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Cause they have low-hanging fruit (Windows users) | Jan 27 23:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, neither Apple or MS has come to terms of selling software for Linux, instead they lock Linux out at every opportunity | Jan 27 23:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not that I would ever want to use MS software | Jan 27 23:25 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFOX: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/25/AR2010012502838.html | Jan 27 23:26 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: GOP sends letter appearing to be census form - washingtonpost.com .::. Size~: 85.9 KB | Jan 27 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Fakes | Jan 27 23:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sutor.com/c/2010/01/fixing-my-firefox-crash/ | Jan 27 23:28 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Fixing my Firefox crash | Blog | Bob Sutor .::. Size~: 43.98 KB | Jan 27 23:28 |
| schestowitz | His blog became rather dull after OOXML carnival of crime | Jan 27 23:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Would have to wonder since the courts ruling that MS had to sell an Office with a different OOXML in the USA as the rest of the world, why would MS not make it worldwide? True the patents only apply to USA and maybe Canadam, so they get away with it. But it fractures Office 2007 file formats more. IS the reason, so they can sell the next release of Office, as in all we be fixed? | Jan 27 23:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1588339/london-stock-exchange-switches-linux | Jan 27 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is losing what it built...... | Jan 27 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: they try to move online | Jan 27 23:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *will | Jan 27 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Office revenue was down VERY sharply | Jan 27 23:32 |
| schestowitz | They will not emphasise it tomorrow | Jan 27 23:32 |
| schestowitz | But some people had MSO bundled with a new PC | Jan 27 23:33 |
| schestowitz | So again, it'll be an improper comparison | Jan 27 23:33 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2010/01/39000-core-ubuntu-cluster-renders.html | Jan 27 23:33 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: From the Canyon Edge - :-Dustin Kirkland: 35,000-Core Ubuntu Farm Renders Avatar .::. Size~: 78.75 KB | Jan 27 23:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | few will pay for office during a depression when they can get OpenOffice, Abiword for free | Jan 27 23:33 |
| cubezzz | yeah I remember the stock exchange switch | Jan 27 23:33 |
| schestowitz | I heard the server crashes when they used it to google something ;-) | Jan 27 23:33 |
| cubezzz | right, money drives things | Jan 27 23:33 |
| cubezzz | if you can do the same thing cheaper... | Jan 27 23:34 |
| cubezzz | that's business | Jan 27 23:34 |
| schestowitz | But we need to emphaise freedom | Jan 27 23:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | wonder how well XBox360 did during the Xmas season | Jan 27 23:34 |
| schestowitz | it's just proprietary companies like IBM taking the dough | Jan 27 23:34 |
| schestowitz | What you want is to sell the notions of freedom | Jan 27 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: seems like Microsoft is busy derailing the competition now | Jan 27 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Cause xbox and win32 don't do well | Jan 27 23:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS is not about Freedom, they are about censorship, as in supporting China, as in Bing | Jan 27 23:35 |
| schestowitz | The Ubuntu news is no big deal | Jan 27 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Cause people will move to another distro | Jan 27 23:35 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft is as far from freedom as you can get | Jan 27 23:35 |
| schestowitz | But that's why I say "Ubuntu GNU Linux" | Jan 27 23:35 |
| schestowitz | I assume that Ubuntu can be like Mandrake one day | Jan 27 23:36 |
| schestowitz | GNU has been around for over 25 years | Jan 27 23:36 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: Apple too | Jan 27 23:36 |
| cubezzz | I'm sticking with Fedora or roll my own | Jan 27 23:36 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft is unique for other reasons | Jan 27 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is very much into CRIME | Jan 27 23:36 |
| schestowitz | It's not just the freedom thing | Jan 27 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: regarding the FSM article, I don't think that a few percent performance impact one way or the other matters on a reasonable system | Jan 27 23:36 |
| schestowitz | It's about justice too | Jan 27 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | why do they keep complaining about this? | Jan 27 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Just the headline | Jan 27 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Making Linux look bad | Jan 27 23:37 |
| cubezzz | people have to _want_ freedom at some level | Jan 27 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | they make too much of it, like to give people the idea there's been some 10% slowdown between the last few versions | Jan 27 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | when it hasn't budged more than 2% | Jan 27 23:38 |
| cubezzz | some people work at a bank, they don't want freedom :) | Jan 27 23:38 |
| cubezzz | some people work in a tiny cubicle | Jan 27 23:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Gates is like Marcus Licinius Crassus, the richest man alive at one time. He had a monopoly too, on the Fire Department in Rome. | Jan 27 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | Windows slows down more than 2% over a 4-5 year span | Jan 27 23:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Why would I go to #Facebook? There's more #web out here in the, uh, open. | Jan 27 23:38 | |
| cubezzz | It's like this | Jan 27 23:39 |
| cubezzz | some people are consumers | Jan 27 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | Vista was hell even for people that just bought the PC wit hXP | Jan 27 23:39 |
| cubezzz | some people are customers | Jan 27 23:39 |
| cubezzz | it's a big difference | Jan 27 23:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Licinius_Crassus | Jan 27 23:39 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Marcus Licinius Crassus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 77.13 KB | Jan 27 23:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Most notorious was his acquisition of burning houses: when Crassus received word that a house was on fire, he would arrive and purchase the doomed property along with surrounding buildings for a modest sum, and then employ his army of 500 clients to put the fire out before much damage had been done." | Jan 27 23:40 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I think Slim is richest again | Jan 27 23:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@daveweigel Fuck off, John Travolta. http://bit.ly/7PRvFL // couldn't put it better. Meanwhile, @MSF_USA planes get turned around by US mil | Jan 27 23:40 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: John Travolta's mercy flight to Haiti The Marquee Blog - CNN.com Blogs .::. Size~: 198.17 KB | Jan 27 23:40 |
| schestowitz | What many people don't understand is that some of the world's richest people are alson the biggest criminals | Jan 27 23:41 |
| cubezzz | yeah tech stocks dipped a bit | Jan 27 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Few manage to make a profit without stomping, suppressing and breaking laws | Jan 27 23:41 |
| schestowitz | In fact, world powers owe their power to their violence | Jan 27 23:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | There have been Robber Barons long before the railroads | Jan 27 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Mongol Hordes, Greeks, Romans, Portuguese, French, English, US... | Jan 27 23:41 |
| schestowitz | http://defectivebydesign.org/ipad | Jan 27 23:42 |
| MinceR | sounds like travolta is going there to spread the lies of his cult | Jan 27 23:43 |
| cubezzz | don't worry, I'm not rushing out to buy an ipad :) | Jan 27 23:43 |
| MinceR | perhaps he wants to get some haitian recruits for the sea org :> | Jan 27 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Crassius greed did not know boundries, Gates seems to follow somewhat in this same type of pattern | Jan 27 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Apple can send out cult representatives to Haiti to spread iThings | Jan 27 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Apple to 'pull a Travolta' | Jan 27 23:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: iPad DRM endangers our rights | DefectiveByDesign.org .::. Size~: 12.35 KB | Jan 27 23:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | perhaps he wants to get some haitian recruits for the sea org :> | Jan 27 23:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Crassius greed did not know boundries, Gates seems to follow somewhat in this same type of pattern | Jan 27 23:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Maybe Apple can send out cult representatives to Haiti to spread iThings | Jan 27 23:44 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Apple to 'pull a Travolta' | Jan 27 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Gates is just more hemmed in by the law, and has to redeem himself with PR is all | Jan 27 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 27 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Like others before him | Jan 27 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Criminals are your heroes | Jan 27 23:45 |
| MinceR | ballmer and/or gates could do the same | Jan 27 23:45 |
| schestowitz | War is peace | Jan 27 23:45 |
| MinceR | though they can make less use of it than the clams | Jan 27 23:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sign petition against iPad http://defectivebydesign.org/ipad http://bit.ly/9Q6ijp | Jan 27 23:45 | |
| MinceR | the clams have more use for unskilled slave labor | Jan 27 23:45 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/acorn-pimp-charged-wiretap-louisiana-senator/ | Jan 27 23:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer may be on his way out. This quarter MS gets by with PR. Next quarter I think they are in trouble with. | Jan 27 23:46 |
| MinceR | i don't quite see what petitioning jobs to remove DRM is supposed to accomplish | Jan 27 23:46 |
| MinceR | jobs obviously wants DRM and obviously doesn't care what users need | Jan 27 23:46 |
| MinceR | and his cult will 'want' anything he tells them to and nothing he doesn't tell them to | Jan 27 23:47 |
| *Tallken has quit ("Leaving") | Jan 27 23:47 | |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: iPad DRM endangers our rights | DefectiveByDesign.org .::. Size~: 12.35 KB | Jan 27 23:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Apple launches iPad for that time of iMonth | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 38 KB | Jan 27 23:47 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: ACORN pimp charged with trying to wiretap Louisiana senator | Raw Story .::. Size~: 46.88 KB | Jan 27 23:47 |
| schestowitz | No, it's basically the idea that you use PR to TELL users what they wan | Jan 27 23:47 |
| schestowitz | *Want | Jan 27 23:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The question is will there be more layoffs in MS as this quarter data comes out? Notice the depressed posts from Softies at Mini, and Mini seems to have stopped blogging | Jan 27 23:47 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: PR lessons...... | Jan 27 23:47 |
| MinceR | the users should be enlightened so they won't purchase crApple products | Jan 27 23:47 |
| schestowitz | They create wants and needs with imagery and hypnosis | Jan 27 23:47 |
| schestowitz | They can also turn criminals to heroes | Jan 27 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | And I guess criminals have more money, so... | Jan 27 23:48 |
| schestowitz | I man criminal in the white-collar side | Jan 27 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Not underworld | Jan 27 23:48 |
| MinceR | maybe it will have a PR effect, but i find it unlikely | Jan 27 23:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I think that Sinosky has taken over Windows Moble | Jan 27 23:49 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/2010/01/revealed-excia-agent-basically-up-waterboarding-details/ | Jan 27 23:49 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Revealed: Retired CIA agent made up waterboarding details | Raw Story .::. Size~: 51.31 KB | Jan 27 23:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Which means to me, that MS needs Windows CE to compete with Linux/Chrome on ARM. Most likely this is the only reason for this, as they have lost the cell phone market | Jan 27 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://rawreplaymedia.com/media/2010/1001/com_tcr_filibuster_100126b.jpg | Jan 27 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | What an insulting pic | Jan 27 23:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Sinosky is the guy that makes the trains run on time at M$ | Jan 27 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Huh? | Jan 27 23:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sorry for the spelling | Jan 27 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Sinosky is one of the felons in Coems | Jan 27 23:51 |
| schestowitz | *COmes | Jan 27 23:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Jan 27 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Raids the train maybe | Jan 27 23:52 |
| schestowitz | "Alla'ya f*er, get out! Ladies, I'll shoot one every hour till our demands are met..." | Jan 27 23:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | He got internal praise at M$ for getting Seven out on time, and formerally, Office | Jan 27 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Praise from colleague | Jan 27 23:52 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Jan 27 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I give you praise for showing up at 11pm | Jan 27 23:53 |
| MinceR | 'making the trains run on time' calls some associations to mind :> | Jan 27 23:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | that fact that they took WinMo away from Back and gave it to him, there is a reason for that | Jan 27 23:53 |
| schestowitz | CHeck out the comments: | Jan 27 23:54 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/01/27/ubuntu-and-msft-search/#comments | Jan 27 23:54 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Why Ubuntu GNU/Linux Should Not Make Microsoft Even Stronger | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 112.47 KB | Jan 27 23:54 |
| schestowitz | I hadnt' thought about it | Jan 27 23:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *Robbie Bach | Jan 27 23:54 |
| schestowitz | But Ubuntu might boost Mono support now | Jan 27 23:54 |
| schestowitz | To please Microsoft | Jan 27 23:54 |
| schestowitz | *ahem* I mean, to please Yahoo! | Jan 27 23:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bach is a disaster for M$ | Jan 27 23:54 |
| schestowitz | He speaks dirt | Jan 27 23:54 |
| schestowitz | And...... | Jan 27 23:54 |
| schestowitz | He is a cRIMINAL and I'll show you why | Jan 27 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Inside-trading | Jan 27 23:55 |
| schestowitz | He got busted | Jan 27 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Never trialed | Jan 27 23:55 |
| schestowitz | In Land of the Free, criminals walk away free | Jan 27 23:55 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2007/07/29/robbie-bach-crime/ | Jan 27 23:55 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Sinosky at least gets out a product, and they need WinMo (really Windows CE) out to compete with Linux/Chrome on ARM. Its not about cellphones, MS has totally blown it there | Jan 27 23:55 |
| schestowitz | "Mark knows what he is doing by trying to distance his name from Canonical. He'd likely want to have his money still play a role tomorrow if the Canonical experiment doesn't work out." | Jan 27 23:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I am not praising Sinosky, and I agree with you Roy. Just saying what I think M$ is up to with this | Jan 27 23:56 |
| MinceR | winmo is even less of a fit on netbooks | Jan 27 23:56 |
| MinceR | even though crApple tries to present the hypePad as something that has a ghost of a hope of competing with netbooks | Jan 27 23:57 |
| schestowitz | http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/jeremy-allison-on-ooxml-standardization/ | Jan 27 23:57 |
| phIRCe-BNc | Title: Jeremy Allison on OOXML standardization « Sköne Oke .::. Size~: 17.86 KB | Jan 27 23:57 |
| schestowitz | "It is not. ISO is a relique of the past, physical meetings and private discussions behind closed doors is not the way standardisation should be made." | Jan 27 23:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Just like M$ dumped XP Home on Netbooks to keep out Linux on Mature markets like USA, they going do the same with WinMO, Win CE | Jan 27 23:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But they going need a better, newer, shiner CE to do that. | Jan 27 23:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So bring in their A team to do that. | Jan 27 23:59 |
| MinceR | it will be fun to watch m$ struggling to turn wince into something that sucks less than winxp | Jan 27 23:59 |
| MinceR | i've heard they believe .net to be the silver bullet, lol | Jan 27 23:59 |
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