IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 5th, 2010

sebsebseb	DaemonFC: oh	Mar 05 00:00
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: so you make themes?	Mar 05 00:00
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: yeah la Ora for Ubuntu would be nice	Mar 05 00:00
ianto	What I don't get is why they say the new theme is "inspired by light" when it is in fact rather dark to my eyes	Mar 05 00:00
DaemonFC	no	Mar 05 00:00
DaemonFC	I could probably build and package it again if I wanted to	Mar 05 00:00
DaemonFC	stuff it in that empty PPA of mine	Mar 05 00:00
sebsebseb	ianto: I guess they mean the background, but loads of people will change that	Mar 05 00:00
sebsebseb	ianto: so then they are left with a black theme, unless they change that as well	Mar 05 00:01
bruce89	does it really matter that much?	Mar 05 00:01
DaemonFC	http://www.linux.com/var/slashimages/b64c7badfa19469df667ae122088ddb5.png	Mar 05 00:01
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DaemonFC	metisse is interesting	Mar 05 00:01
DaemonFC	needs some anti-aliasing though	Mar 05 00:01
sebsebseb	ianto: (to be exact if they just change the background, they will be left with black theme, unless the change it)	Mar 05 00:01
schestowitz	jono: "I'm not a huge fan of 7Digital after some early customer experience of them, but the pressure on them to lean up their act on formats and DRM will be welcome. Does the world really need yet another music store though?"	Mar 05 00:01
schestowitz	http://webmink.com/2010/03/03/links-for-2010-03-03/	Mar 05 00:01
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sebsebseb	bruce89: to be honest when I think about it, I really am starting to understand why some people want Ubuntu to look like XP for example, and no not just because that's what they are familuar with	Mar 05 00:02
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Ubuntu's music store hides the WMA crap and funds Ubuntu. Two reasons to use it vs. the 7digital store directly.	Mar 05 00:02
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DaemonFC	last thing you want is WMA by accident, lol	Mar 05 00:02
*bruce89 uses clearlooks glossy with dark background and blue selections		Mar 05 00:02
sebsebseb	bruce89: ,but because XP's theme is nicer looking than Ubuntu's	Mar 05 00:03
*sebsebseb finds most propritary software to be great when it comes to graphics		Mar 05 00:03
DaemonFC	in other media players, it can be easy to get WMA by mistake	Mar 05 00:03
sebsebseb	in a way Microsoft are more of a computer graphics design company, than a software company, when it comes to what is good that they do	Mar 05 00:03
DaemonFC	schestowitz, sebsebseb also noted that they are adding FLACs, which no other store has that I know of	Mar 05 00:04
DaemonFC	hopefully that continues	Mar 05 00:04
ianto	sebsebseb: I know of very few people who like teh default Windows themes	Mar 05 00:04
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: that's nice, however I am not planning on buying music from the store	Mar 05 00:04
DaemonFC	I would if there was more FLAC selections	Mar 05 00:04
ianto	In fact the only person who I know who likes a default Windows theme is myself, Windows Classic	Mar 05 00:04
sebsebseb	ianto: I probably mean backgrounds mainly when I put stuff like that, Windows comes with great backgrounds and such	Mar 05 00:04
DaemonFC	I don't want to buy lossy formats and MP3 especially	Mar 05 00:05
ianto	sebsebseb: Windows backgrounds are hardly "great"	Mar 05 00:05
sebsebseb	ianto: Windows classic with a 3rd party theme, I know which one, can be pretty nice indeed	Mar 05 00:05
*bruce89 sighs		Mar 05 00:05
sebsebseb	ianto: they are better than the junk, that Ubuntu is coming with by default	Mar 05 00:05
sebsebseb	in later releases's	Mar 05 00:05
sebsebseb	8.10 is the last release, to have a rather nice default background	Mar 05 00:05
ianto	You mean the default GNOME backgrounds like the grasss picture which I am rather fond of?	Mar 05 00:05
sebsebseb	ianto: grass uhmm	Mar 05 00:06
sebsebseb	just checked the vm	Mar 05 00:06
sebsebseb	well	Mar 05 00:06
sebsebseb	that one sucks	Mar 05 00:06
sebsebseb	however	Mar 05 00:06
sebsebseb	there's a nice one of a fieled with a blue skyh	Mar 05 00:06
sebsebseb	which seems to be a Gnome background, because you can get it from the Ubuntu repo as well	Mar 05 00:07
sebsebseb	and it's here in Mandriva, that's what I am using at the moment, I really like that background	Mar 05 00:07
sebsebseb	used it for quite a while now in Gnome on here	Mar 05 00:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @fkarlitschek: movie screening in the cinema canceled because of problem with the movie encryption. #DRM fail.		Mar 05 00:07
schestowitz	oiaohm: https://lwn.net/Articles/375335/	Mar 05 00:07
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sebsebseb	jono: I installed the alpha 3 into vm, got the updates, and then got the theme updates as well, but I don't get the new boot up screen :(	Mar 05 00:08
bruce89	use of of mine then	Mar 05 00:09
sebsebseb	jono: that looked good by the screenshot I saw	Mar 05 00:09
schestowitz	http://www.starryhope.com/linux/2010/ubuntu-desktop-in-the-cloud/	Mar 05 00:09
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schestowitz	sebsebseb: no gdm	Mar 05 00:09
bruce89	http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/lh/photo/lagy9qpRoEk_h_soM4dtEQ?feat=directlink	Mar 05 00:09
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Picasa Web Albums: free photo sharing from Google .::. Size~: 17.18 KB	Mar 05 00:09
schestowitz	scroll up to ryanFC's	Mar 05 00:09
sebsebseb	schestowitz: what's that?	Mar 05 00:09
bruce89	<shamless plug>http://backgrounds.bcowan.fastmail.co.uk/</shameless plug>	Mar 05 00:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] To be specific: LiveJournal is rewriting links to steal users' affiliate income for Amazon, eBay, etc. http://bit.ly/ap1S6A		Mar 05 00:09
phIRCe-BNc	Title: vichan: LiveJournal, you fucked up again. .::. Size~: 102.64 KB	Mar 05 00:09
schestowitz	[23:42] <sebsebseb> they haven't given GDM another theme it seems? or have they, and I didn't get that as well?	Mar 05 00:10
schestowitz	Never mind	Mar 05 00:10
schestowitz	I thought DaemonFOX had brought it up	Mar 05 00:10
sebsebseb	schestowitz: no new theme for GDM, that's what your telling me?	Mar 05 00:10
bruce89	I thought that was impossible	Mar 05 00:10
bruce89	without patching, silly me	Mar 05 00:10
sebsebseb	bruce89: there are programs that can change GDM a bit in Ubuntu	Mar 05 00:10
schestowitz	http://backgrounds.bcowan.fastmail.co.uk/?imagepage=QM2.jpg Scotland?	Mar 05 00:10
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bruce89	schestowitz: she was here, that was from the hill near Greenock	Mar 05 00:11
schestowitz	http://backgrounds.bcowan.fastmail.co.uk/?imagepage=QM2.jpg	Mar 05 00:11
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schestowitz	oops	Mar 05 00:11
schestowitz	http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/new-ubuntu-1004-theme-and-logo-revealed.html	Mar 05 00:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] To be specific: LiveJournal is rewriting links to steal users' affiliate income for Amazon, eBay, etc. http://is.gd/9I7j3 http://is.gd/9I7fy		Mar 05 00:11
phIRCe-BNc	Title: New Ubuntu Theme(s), Boot Splash, Logo Revealed (And More!) ~ Web Upd8 .::. Size~: 102.89 KB	Mar 05 00:11
phIRCe-BNc	Title: vichan: LiveJournal, you fucked up again. .::. Size~: 102.64 KB	Mar 05 00:11
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Koinu - Privacy Alert: LiveJournal Tracking Outbound Links! .::. Size~: 104.01 KB	Mar 05 00:11
bruce89	sebsebseb: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ipod.gtkpod/4447	Mar 05 00:13
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oiaohm	Hmm long list of local exploits fixed again. schestowitz	Mar 05 00:13
MinceR	bruce89: they look like they're for some tiny desktops :>	Mar 05 00:14
bruce89	MinceR: what sort of size would be useful?	Mar 05 00:15
schestowitz	http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Asus-EeePC-1018P-1016P-1015P-and-Atom-N455475/?kc=rss "No word on the device's processor or operating system has surfaced, however."	Mar 05 00:15
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Netbook deluge rains new Atoms, too - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 62.29 KB	Mar 05 00:15
MinceR	bruce89: 1920x1200, 1680x1050, 1024x600	Mar 05 00:16
bruce89	I'll see what I can do	Mar 05 00:16
MinceR	actually i don't use the middle one for wallpapers because both displays choose from the same pool :)	Mar 05 00:17
DaemonFC	jono, Do you know when they'll fix Gnote?	Mar 05 00:17
DaemonFC	it crashes when you try to make a note	Mar 05 00:17
bruce89	there must be a more automated way to do this	Mar 05 00:17
ender2070	its emulating tomboy	Mar 05 00:17
DaemonFC	Fedora's SELinux profile was attacking Tomboy til they got rid of it	Mar 05 00:18
DaemonFC	amusing	Mar 05 00:18
ender2070	DaemonFC - heh, why dont u ask upstream btw?	Mar 05 00:18
DaemonFC	cause it's probably not their fault	Mar 05 00:19
ender2070	well stop being Hitler about it	Mar 05 00:19
ender2070	i'm sure its not jono's fault	Mar 05 00:19
bruce89	actually, my photos are on the other computer, which is inaccessbile at the moment	Mar 05 00:20
ender2070	SELinux should attack mono apps	Mar 05 00:22
ender2070	they are a disease	Mar 05 00:22
ender2070	windows code is the devil's tongue	Mar 05 00:22
oiaohm	SELinux does not particularly like Java either.	Mar 05 00:23
ender2070	#include <666.h>	Mar 05 00:23
ender2070	says the beast	Mar 05 00:23
oiaohm	Anything creating code on fly	Mar 05 00:23
oiaohm	SELinux has a personal distaste for.	Mar 05 00:23
ender2070	thats because viruses generate code on the fly	Mar 05 00:24
ender2070	mono is just a programmable one	Mar 05 00:24
oiaohm	Yep	Mar 05 00:24
oiaohm	SELinux likes all executable code areas read only.	Mar 05 00:25
oiaohm	Really cuts down possiable attacks on system.	Mar 05 00:25
ender2070	which is why i use fedora	Mar 05 00:25
ender2070	one of the reasons	Mar 05 00:26
oiaohm	Data expolit attacks are still possiable like sql injection.	Mar 05 00:28
oiaohm	Reduced attack area is always good	Mar 05 00:28
ender2070	i got a flux capacitor	Mar 05 00:30
ender2070	ill just go back in time and prevent it	Mar 05 00:30
schestowitz	Hmmmmmmmmm........	Mar 05 00:31
schestowitz	Got a response.... from Phipps	Mar 05 00:31
schestowitz	Seems like he's gonna leave too...	Mar 05 00:31
schestowitz	"Not yet :-) I was drafting a "ready when I need it in a hurry" post and it accidentally got published. "	Mar 05 00:31
oiaohm	http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Motorola-HS1001-and-DSP-Group-Android-Home-Phone/	Mar 05 00:33
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Android comes to landline phones - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 63.67 KB	Mar 05 00:33
oiaohm	Interesting	Mar 05 00:33
schestowitz	http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20100303/tc_zd/248837	Mar 05 00:38
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schestowitz	oiaohm: not new :-)	Mar 05 00:38
schestowitz	Seen them last year	Mar 05 00:38
oiaohm	IP phone lacking access to the app store.	Mar 05 00:39
oiaohm	Hope that is not a trend.	Mar 05 00:39
schestowitz	Linux on every phone and fridge	Mar 05 00:39
schestowitz	Microsoft would LOVE to tax that	Mar 05 00:39
schestowitz	Apple is already trying	Mar 05 00:39
schestowitz	Leeches with swpays	Mar 05 00:39
schestowitz	*pats	Mar 05 00:39
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oiaohm	http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/LiMo-and-Wholesale-Applications-Community-/ Please Limo manage to join teams with meego we need less OS's in that department.	Mar 05 00:40
phIRCe-BNc	Title: LiMo joins mobile app standard effort - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 63.54 KB	Mar 05 00:40
schestowitz	http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2010022701114662	Mar 05 00:40
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oiaohm	I expect leeches. Problem is patent leeching is less income than selling the device themselves	Mar 05 00:41
oiaohm	And a patent live time is short to the open source game.	Mar 05 00:42
oiaohm	QT is also now starting to spreed nicely onto android.	Mar 05 00:43
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MinceR	along with C++?	Mar 05 00:44
MinceR	or only on java?	Mar 05 00:44
Gizmo	some old news...	Mar 05 00:44
Gizmo	http://www.pcworld.com/article/138490/supreme_court_pursues_microsoft_best_buy_rico_case.html	Mar 05 00:44
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Supreme Court Pursues Microsoft, Best Buy RICO Case - PCWorld .::. Size~: 63.35 KB	Mar 05 00:44
Gizmo	that kind of explains the bestbuy anti linux propaganda	Mar 05 00:44
schestowitz	Yes	Mar 05 00:45
schestowitz	I wrote about that at the time (the RICO Act case)	Mar 05 00:45
schestowitz	http://boycottnovell.com/2009/09/08/staples-employees-anti-linux/	Mar 05 00:45
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Best Buy Has Collusion/Racketeering History with Microsoft, Anti-GNU/Linux Training Comes to Staples Employees Too \| Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 118.42 KB	Mar 05 00:46
Gizmo	never knew about that	Mar 05 00:46
schestowitz	Heh. http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/ubuntu-dumps-the-brown-introduces-new-theme.ars	Mar 05 00:46
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Ubuntu dumps the brown, introduces new theme and branding .::. Size~: 29.31 KB	Mar 05 00:46
schestowitz	Is it just me, or could Ubuntu choose better gtk themes?	Mar 05 00:47
Gizmo	what happened about that lawsuit	Mar 05 00:47
oiaohm	Hmm I hope MS loses the RICO case.	Mar 05 00:47
oiaohm	There is a good reason. It would open up for windows activation by makers to be challanged.	Mar 05 00:47
schestowitz	Time To Redesign The Hotdog... But Watch Out For Patents http://techdirt.com/articles/20100226/1108538322.shtml	Mar 05 00:48
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schestowitz	INNOVA~1	Mar 05 00:48
oiaohm	Now if the stores have to do Windows activation at store in frount of customer selling Linux will look a lot simpler.	Mar 05 00:48
schestowitz	oiaohm: Microsoft doesn't lose lawsuits	Mar 05 00:48
schestowitz	It fights in court until the plaintiff goes broke	Mar 05 00:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: LJ is now attempting to skim affliliate income from its users. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/30150.html		Mar 05 00:49
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bruce89	how's 2560x1672 sound?	Mar 05 00:50
oiaohm	Unless its the EU anti competition. That don't stop. schestowitz	Mar 05 00:51
Gizmo	but the law I see it now, its easy to bring microsoft in court according to RICO	Mar 05 00:51
oiaohm	If MS loses yes at the highest court. It set predecent.	Mar 05 00:53
oiaohm	Then other MS activities can be questioned under RICO.	Mar 05 00:53
oiaohm	Including the bundling of windows with PCs	Mar 05 00:54
Chips_B_Malroy	oiaohm> quote from you link: "Odom charged the pair violated RICO in part due to an agreement under which Microsoft invested $200 million in Best Buy and agreed to promote Best Buy's online store through its MSN service. In return, Best Buy agreed to promote MSN service and other Microsoft products in its stores and advertising."	Mar 05 00:54
Gizmo	now that would cause balmer to trow a whole ikea store	Mar 05 00:54
Chips_B_Malroy	MS invested in Best Buy	Mar 05 00:55
Gizmo	yup	Mar 05 00:55
oiaohm	Chips_B_Malroy: What is dell prefer XP stuff.	Mar 05 00:55
Chips_B_Malroy	now I know why, I cannot find Linux at Best Buy on a laptop	Mar 05 00:55
oiaohm	Then Vista stuff.	Mar 05 00:55
Gizmo	if it not an attemp to screw the market, I have no idea what that is	Mar 05 00:55
oiaohm	Basically paid for bribes.	Mar 05 00:56
Chips_B_Malroy	MS in retail land	Mar 05 00:56
Chips_B_Malroy	oiaohm> nice link, shows more anti-trust that should never have been	Mar 05 00:56
Chips_B_Malroy	M$/Best Buy	Mar 05 00:57
oiaohm	MS does not just effect one retail supply.	Mar 05 00:57
Chips_B_Malroy	how deep does the MS tentacles go?	Mar 05 00:58
oiaohm	Very	Mar 05 00:58
Gizmo	maybe, that is a proven case, that will stand in court	Mar 05 00:58
Chips_B_Malroy	in retail	Mar 05 00:58
oiaohm	With dell. Dell will try to not to do warnity claim on a changed OS.	Mar 05 00:58
oiaohm	With Windows 7 return policy it could fall on the wrong side of RICO as well.	Mar 05 00:59
oiaohm	Ie you cannot get a refund for it out a lot of makers.	Mar 05 00:59
oiaohm	Then ms pays for adverstising for a lot of retail stores.	Mar 05 01:00
oiaohm	Ie big ones.	Mar 05 01:00
oiaohm	Basically its a completely bribed system.	Mar 05 01:01
Chips_B_Malroy	yes, I never knew MS did this	Mar 05 01:01
Chips_B_Malroy	MS sucks even more than I would believe	Mar 05 01:02
Chips_B_Malroy	I know MS has money (bought stock) in Netflix	Mar 05 01:03
Chips_B_Malroy	wonder if they don't use buying stock as a method like the corporate raiders to control these companes?	Mar 05 01:04
Gizmo	they sure do	Mar 05 01:04
Gizmo	ask any previous microsoft ''partner''	Mar 05 01:04
Chips_B_Malroy	Blockbuster, the big competition to Netflix here in the USA, that uses MS DRM (patented of course) to stream video's. Blockbuster has connect with Carl Icahn. http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2008/04/14/Carl-Icahn-Circuit-City-Investors/	Mar 05 01:06
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bruce89	http://diracvideo.org/2010/03/schroedinger-1-0-9-released/	Mar 05 01:12
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Chips_B_Malroy	every notice how Icahn shows up at Yahoo, Blockbuster, Circuit City, and somehow helps MS, or at the same time that something happens for MS there. Maybe not Circuit City, not sure what MS would gain there.	Mar 05 01:15
Chips_B_Malroy	*ever	Mar 05 01:15
Chips_B_Malroy	coinencedense I suppose	Mar 05 01:16
oiaohm	Not really.	Mar 05 01:16
oiaohm	He is also X MS staff	Mar 05 01:16
Gizmo	do work for ms or just plain ms staff?	Mar 05 01:17
DaemonFC	new GDM theme landed	Mar 05 01:17
Chips_B_Malroy	oiaohm> "He is also X MS staff" Hummm. Could you expand on that please?	Mar 05 01:18
DaemonFC	Chips_B_Malroy, Do you also find it interesting that there's an ido library?	Mar 05 01:18
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 05 01:18
DaemonFC	"libido"	Mar 05 01:19
DaemonFC	:D	Mar 05 01:19
MinceR	:S	Mar 05 01:19
MinceR	:D	Mar 05 01:19
jweyrich	hi people :)	Mar 05 01:22
MinceR	hay	Mar 05 01:22
oiaohm	I got it backwards.	Mar 05 01:23
oiaohm	I knew there was a link.	Mar 05 01:23
oiaohm	Icahn funded Microsoft for some of the time when it was small.	Mar 05 01:23
oiaohm	Not exactly staff but does have a vested interest in MS.	Mar 05 01:24
Chips_B_Malroy	Carl Icahn: 2005-2010 Former Director and Member of Nominating/Corporate Governance Committee Blockbuster Inc.	Mar 05 01:24
Chips_B_Malroy	http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=250594&ticker=IEP:US	Mar 05 01:25
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DaemonFC	UGGGH	Mar 05 01:25
DaemonFC	they made the terminal PURPLE	Mar 05 01:25
DaemonFC	that makes no sense	Mar 05 01:25
ender2070	lol	Mar 05 01:26
*MinceR makes all of DaemonFC's terminals purple		Mar 05 01:26
MinceR	purple is the new black!	Mar 05 01:27
oiaohm	I guess they are trying to stop terminal from being used.	Mar 05 01:27
Chips_B_Malroy	DaemonFC> that was a Sansa Clip (4gb) that I have somewhere, found the box, not the clip, so its differnet than yours	Mar 05 01:27
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DaemonFC	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/532355	Mar 05 01:30
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Bug #532355 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu): “Making the terminal purple is not appropriate after the user changes the wallpaper.” .::. Size~: 29.09 KB	Mar 05 01:30
DaemonFC	grrrrr	Mar 05 01:30
MinceR	transparent is better anyway.	Mar 05 01:30
bruce89	it takes its colours from the theme	Mar 05 01:31
Chips_B_Malroy	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Icahn	Mar 05 01:32
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ender2070	bah	Mar 05 01:32
ender2070	kde rocks gnome	Mar 05 01:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Wow, Lucid is feeling good. :-) #ubuntu		Mar 05 01:32
Chips_B_Malroy	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Singer_%28businessman%29	Mar 05 01:33
ender2070	noobs	Mar 05 01:33
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schestowitz	zoobab: "Furthermore, the response confirms what became clear in the most recent leak, that the US sees ACTA as covering not just copyrights and trademarks -- but patents as well (though, some of the other participants are against including patents)." http://techdirt.com/articles/20100303/0128078382.shtml	Mar 05 01:34
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schestowitz	This is funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9bfmW3iMqk	Mar 05 01:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon http://bit.ly/d271CR - Why is the terminal purple? This makes no sense and looks terrible with most any non-purple wallpaper.		Mar 05 01:35
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Bug #532355 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu): “Making the terminal purple is not appropriate after the user changes the wallpaper.” .::. Size~: 29.43 KB	Mar 05 01:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @DaemonFC: I was actually just thinking it looked quite cool: different strokes for different folks, I guess.		Mar 05 01:38
Chips_B_Malroy	Purple was the color reserved only for the Royality at times in history	Mar 05 01:40
MinceR	behold my Royal Terminal!	Mar 05 01:42
MinceR	(does anyone have a screenshot?)	Mar 05 01:42
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Chips_B_Malroy	I think DaemonFC had one, the purple looks better to me than the old Brown ones Ubuntu used	Mar 05 01:44
DaemonFC	MinceR, incoming	Mar 05 01:45
*MinceR seeks a foxhole		Mar 05 01:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon Does this look good? http://bit.ly/dvHzXY Not being a smartass, asking why something that looks ugly in most cases is default.		Mar 05 01:45
Aondo	hmm that new package, ubuntu-mono was interesting, untill i saw what it depended on :P nothing to do with libmono! :D "Mono icon theme" :)	Mar 05 01:46
MinceR	ic	Mar 05 01:46
DaemonFC	MinceR, What do you think?	Mar 05 01:46
MinceR	it looks very weird, but i wonder how it looks with the default wallpaper	Mar 05 01:46
MinceR	also, i suspect that a black-tinted transparent setting would work fine with the default wallpaper :>	Mar 05 01:47
Chips_B_Malroy	nice wallpaper DaemonFC	Mar 05 01:47
bruce89	eww	Mar 05 01:47
DaemonFC	http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1163/screenshotnvi.png	Mar 05 01:47
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DaemonFC	default	Mar 05 01:47
MinceR	looks like it's black-tinted with a little weirdness about it	Mar 05 01:48
MinceR	but it probably starts looking weird if you have another window under it :>	Mar 05 01:48
bruce89	not if you use a compositing Wm	Mar 05 01:49
DaemonFC	http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4057/screenshotqap.png	Mar 05 01:49
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Chips_B_Malroy	Default is just a little too Royal for me. But hey, its just wallpaper, and your not in the terminal all the time.	Mar 05 01:49
MinceR	i meant with a compositing wm	Mar 05 01:49
DaemonFC	jono, PurpleGate	Mar 05 01:50
DaemonFC	scandal!	Mar 05 01:50
*MinceR rolls his eyes		Mar 05 01:50
Aondo	to me the contrast with decorator and windows are too much, hurts my eyes :P	Mar 05 01:50
bruce89	http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/lh/photo/u4UWyf2ErIhr4HrdYQ_VlQ?feat=directlink	Mar 05 01:51
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DaemonFC	the color scheme of the terminal should be neutral considering the user might have any theme in the world and any wallpaper in the world	Mar 05 01:51
DaemonFC	the purple terminal only works in the default theme	Mar 05 01:51
bruce89	the terminal uses the GTK+ theme base colour	Mar 05 01:52
Aondo	will the default compiz behaviour change as well?	Mar 05 01:53
MinceR	i hate picasa	Mar 05 01:56
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bruce89	alright, http://imagebin.org/87582	Mar 05 01:59
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MinceR	:)	Mar 05 02:00
DaemonFC	bruce89, Then why is it purple? What if I don't hate the theme and only want to change wallpaper?	Mar 05 02:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Awesome new Introspection 101 snippet added to python-snippets :-)		Mar 05 02:00
DaemonFC	that should be accounted for	Mar 05 02:00
jono	DaemonFC, lol	Mar 05 02:01
jono	DaemonFC, looks ok to me on my system	Mar 05 02:01
bruce89	is the base colour purple-related?	Mar 05 02:01
jono	just change the theme if needed	Mar 05 02:01
DaemonFC	of the wallpaper?	Mar 05 02:01
DaemonFC	no	Mar 05 02:01
bruce89	the them	Mar 05 02:01
DaemonFC	might be	Mar 05 02:01
DaemonFC	they shouldn't make it rocket science to "only" change your wallpaper and have the rest of the system look good	Mar 05 02:02
shreddar	You're talking about the knew OSX look of Ubuntu aren't you?	Mar 05 02:02
DaemonFC	shreddar, Yeah	Mar 05 02:02
bruce89	look in the appearance capplet > customise > colours	Mar 05 02:03
shreddar	I think they should try to make their own unique look. I think Mint Linux does a great job of this.	Mar 05 02:04
DaemonFC	oh well, I busted that purple terminal color and can't get it back now	Mar 05 02:07
DaemonFC	lol	Mar 05 02:07
shreddar	http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/helena/gnome.png	Mar 05 02:08
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MinceR	actually their dark theme looks a lot like mint's	Mar 05 02:08
MinceR	with the partly dark-based and partly light-based windows	Mar 05 02:08
Chips_B_Malroy	Maybe this is a good time to ask this question, since Jono is here. anybody think the same thing that is happening to Novell can happen to Canonical and Ubuntu? The buyout.	Mar 05 02:09
shreddar	Yeah, I heard Google might buy Canonical.	Mar 05 02:10
Chips_B_Malroy	Google would be good for Canonical is my take.	Mar 05 02:10
MinceR	buyout can happen to most public companies :>	Mar 05 02:10
Chips_B_Malroy	Not that Mark was not great for it.	Mar 05 02:10
shreddar	Although I doubt the owner would allow a Vulture fund like scenario though.	Mar 05 02:11
MinceR	maybe google would beat the mono out of canonical?	Mar 05 02:11
jono	Chips_B_Malroy, it couldnt happen, Canonical is privately owned	Mar 05 02:11
jono	Novell have a fiduciary duty to do the best thing for it's shareholders	Mar 05 02:11
jono	we don't have any shareholders :)	Mar 05 02:11
Chips_B_Malroy	MinceR> that would probably be a nice side benefit of Google buying it.	Mar 05 02:12
jono	the only thing that could cause us to be sold is if Mark wanted us to	Mar 05 02:12
Chips_B_Malroy	Hi jono	Mar 05 02:12
jono	hey ch	Mar 05 02:12
jono	hey Chips_B_Malroy	Mar 05 02:12
Chips_B_Malroy	Mark owns that much stock, its public isn't it?	Mar 05 02:12
bruce89	surely there is no stock?	Mar 05 02:14
shreddar	iBuntu	Mar 05 02:15
Chips_B_Malroy	Jono> if Mark owns enough stock to keep the vultures out, then thats a good thing. Google, might be a good sale though, as they would have even more money to promote Ubuntu, than even Mark did.	Mar 05 02:15
jono	Chips_B_Malroy, Mark owns all the stock, he is our angel investor	Mar 05 02:15
MinceR	there's no "stock" to speak of if it's privately owned :>	Mar 05 02:15
jono	:)	Mar 05 02:15
jono	MinceR, exactly	Mar 05 02:15
shreddar	http://images1.pocket-lint.com/images/sW94/ubuntu-linux-gets-visual-makeover-0.jpg	Mar 05 02:16
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Chips_B_Malroy	jono> even though I don't use Ubuntu, still I have to respect that Mark put a lot of his money into it, without really thinking to get a lot back at first. The free cd's by mail, I think they helped all Distro's to create interest in Linux.	Mar 05 02:17
jono	Chips_B_Malroy, yeah, he is incredibly committed to Ubuntu	Mar 05 02:18
jono	he really lives and breathes it :)	Mar 05 02:18
Chips_B_Malroy	Jono> I know you cannot comment on the Google rumor, but I do think they would be good for Ubuntu	Mar 05 02:21
Chips_B_Malroy	as more money than even Mark has to promote it.	Mar 05 02:21
jono	Chips_B_Malroy, rumor about Google buying us?	Mar 05 02:22
Chips_B_Malroy	yes	Mar 05 02:22
Chips_B_Malroy	but just rumor	Mar 05 02:22
jono	news to me	Mar 05 02:25
jono	very unlikely in my mind	Mar 05 02:25
Chips_B_Malroy	Could be a cheaper way for Google to have the home page set correctly, just buy it. Sorry, i had to say it.	Mar 05 02:25
Diablo-D3	google buying _who_?	Mar 05 02:26
bruce89	heh	Mar 05 02:26
MinceR	lol	Mar 05 02:26
jono	Chips_B_Malroy, lol	Mar 05 02:28
Chips_B_Malroy	jono> but I think we could agree, that Google would be better off to "try" and buy Ubuntu from Mark, than to bid on Novell. After all, doesn't Google use Ubuntu, although modified. And isn't Android/ChromeOS based on modified Ubuntu?	Mar 05 02:29
bruce89	no	Mar 05 02:30
jono	Chips_B_Malroy, the Google/Novell thing would be a surprise to me	Mar 05 02:30
MinceR	android isn't	Mar 05 02:30
jono	but shit happens	Mar 05 02:30
bruce89	all I know of ChromeOS is it uses portage	Mar 05 02:30
Chips_B_Malroy	MincrR> not? then based on upstream Debian maybe?	Mar 05 02:30
bruce89	android is completely different from "real" distros	Mar 05 02:31
MinceR	Chips_B_Malroy: android isn't gnu	Mar 05 02:31
Chips_B_Malroy	linux kernel	Mar 05 02:31
MinceR	Chips_B_Malroy: it's a horrible mess heaped on top of the linux kernel	Mar 05 02:32
MinceR	and a crippled libc	Mar 05 02:32
Chips_B_Malroy	modified, either Ubuntu or Debian kernel I am thinking	Mar 05 02:32
MinceR	and chromeos is based on ubuntu, and afaik they might use apt/dpkg to put it together, but probably don't offer it to the user	Mar 05 02:32
MinceR	(afaik it's a static system)	Mar 05 02:32
Chips_B_Malroy	read only	Mar 05 02:33
MinceR	pretty much	Mar 05 02:33
Chips_B_Malroy	used it in a virtualbox	Mar 05 02:33
Chips_B_Malroy	to try it	Mar 05 02:33
ender2070	chromeos owns	Mar 05 02:33
MinceR	i don't like chromeos, but perhaps it will be useful to some	Mar 05 02:34
ender2070	google is god	Mar 05 02:34
Chips_B_Malroy	for a lot of people it could be better than windows. Face it, the average user cannot protect windows from malware	Mar 05 02:35
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MinceR	nope, google is Big Brother	Mar 05 02:35
Chips_B_Malroy	Jono> btw the way, my brother uses Ubuntu	Mar 05 02:35
bruce89	Chips_B_Malroy: interesting point	Mar 05 02:35
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shreddar_	http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1116/ibuntu.png	Mar 05 02:36
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Chips_B_Malroy	I tried to talk him out of it, not that its not good, just from a tech support position. Since I am his tech support.	Mar 05 02:36
jono	heh	Mar 05 02:36
MinceR	:>	Mar 05 02:36
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Chips_B_Malroy	Jono> yes, he loves Ubuntu	Mar 05 02:37
jono	:)	Mar 05 02:37
jono	ok, I am heading to dinner	Mar 05 02:37
jono	later, folks	Mar 05 02:37
Chips_B_Malroy	as much as I tried to get him to move to my distro	Mar 05 02:37
MinceR	o/	Mar 05 02:37
MinceR	Chips_B_Malroy: what's yourS?	Mar 05 02:37
MinceR	s/S/s/	Mar 05 02:37
Chips_B_Malroy	I use Mepis	Mar 05 02:37
Chips_B_Malroy	mostly	Mar 05 02:37
Chips_B_Malroy	so its partly like Ubuntu, both sort of based on Debian, so I can help him some	Mar 05 02:38
Chips_B_Malroy	versions 6 and 6.5 were based on Ubuntu repo's even	Mar 05 02:39
DaemonFC	http://www2.tricities.com/tri/news/local/article/blame_the_victim_religious_leaflet_claims_ungodly_dressed_women_provoke_rap/42253/	Mar 05 02:39
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Chips_B_Malroy	My brother is very old, but he has managed to get Ubuntu to do most of what he wants to	Mar 05 02:40
MinceR	so "ungodly" undressed women and "godly" women don't provoke rape?	Mar 05 02:41
Chips_B_Malroy	Jono> there's a lot more right with Ubuntu than there's wrong with it, and you heard that from me.	Mar 05 02:41
MinceR	i'd say that up to but not including 10.04 there was a lot more right with ubuntu than wrong, but i can't vouch for 10.04 until the final release is out	Mar 05 02:41
DaemonFC	MinceR, That's what makes me want to punch them	Mar 05 02:43
Chips_B_Malroy	MinceR> well, neither can I, but if I was going follow it, I would probably just go for Mint, same thing mostly, with the codecs installed	Mar 05 02:43
DaemonFC	especially Mormons	Mar 05 02:43
Chips_B_Malroy	I not Mormon	Mar 05 02:43
MinceR	DaemonFC: punching is better than rape? :>	Mar 05 02:43
DaemonFC	yeah	Mar 05 02:43
MinceR	"Falcooooon PUNCH!"	Mar 05 02:43
DaemonFC	and I can't stand being huckstered religiously	Mar 05 02:44
DaemonFC	;)	Mar 05 02:44
DaemonFC	or religiously huckstered	Mar 05 02:44
Chips_B_Malroy	jono> you live here in the states?	Mar 05 02:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@WesBEnterprise Even IE7 is problematic // it sure is, as is IE8, and there is no reason to think IE9 won't be useless as well. #microsoft		Mar 05 02:45
Chips_B_Malroy	if the browser ballad gets forced in countries like USA and Canada, there might not be an IE9	Mar 05 02:47
MinceR	ballot, not ballad :>	Mar 05 02:47
shreddar	I think jono went some where.	Mar 05 02:47
MinceR	indeed.	Mar 05 02:47
MinceR	to have dinner, to be exact.	Mar 05 02:47
jweyrich	great article - http://blog.cubeofm.com/your-high-iq-will-kill-your-startup	Mar 05 02:48
Chips_B_Malroy	Yea,Dinner	Mar 05 02:48
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DaemonFC	http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/05/us/05fraud.html	Mar 05 02:48
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DaemonFC	no really? :P	Mar 05 02:48
shreddar	Yeah but by the time we do the browser ballod here MS will mostly be out of business.	Mar 05 02:49
shreddar	Over here it takes forever to break up a TRUST.	Mar 05 02:50
DaemonFC	"In all, 81 students were arrested, officials said, but one was released. The rest were charged with violations of immigration law and were being held pending deportation proceedings. "	Mar 05 02:50
DaemonFC	hah	Mar 05 02:50
MinceR	gn	Mar 05 02:50
DaemonFC	serves them right	Mar 05 02:50
DaemonFC	http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7050312.ece	Mar 05 02:52
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DaemonFC	they should arrest Mexicans for causing global warming	Mar 05 02:52
DaemonFC	all those pinto beans can't lead to good thigns for the environment	Mar 05 02:53
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 05 02:53
ender2070	no u	Mar 05 02:53
ender2070	ur amd is causing global warming	Mar 05 02:53
ender2070	wasting electricity	Mar 05 02:53
DaemonFC	they should also go cound cow farts out in Nebraska	Mar 05 02:53
Diablo-D3	dude	Mar 05 02:53
DaemonFC	*count	Mar 05 02:53
Diablo-D3	the new amds	Mar 05 02:53
Diablo-D3	they cause global COOLING	Mar 05 02:53
Diablo-D3	awesome, amirite?	Mar 05 02:53
DaemonFC	oh yeah	Mar 05 02:53
DaemonFC	Diablo-D3, You mean like The Day After Tomorrow? :)	Mar 05 02:54
*MinceR is globally cool		Mar 05 02:54
ender2070	AMD doesn't have access to pentagon alien technology	Mar 05 02:54
Diablo-D3	ender2070: dude, that alien tech is why intel runs so slow and hot	Mar 05 02:55
Diablo-D3	aliens SUCK at hardware design	Mar 05 02:55
ender2070	nah	Mar 05 02:58
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ender2070	more efficient in power	Mar 05 02:58
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQtRI7A064	Mar 05 02:59
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ender2070	bam I told you guys	Mar 05 02:59
Diablo-D3	dude	Mar 05 03:00
Diablo-D3	you know whats used for human depopulation?	Mar 05 03:00
Diablo-D3	me.	Mar 05 03:00
Diablo-D3	I'm the FINAL SOLUTION	Mar 05 03:00
Diablo-D3	wheres hitler when you need him	Mar 05 03:00
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnQX09DZLYE&NR=1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlUQ2sUti8o	Mar 05 03:02
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Diablo-D3	wait	Mar 05 03:05
Diablo-D3	I gotta see this video if it involves the yes men	Mar 05 03:06
schestowitz	Gotta love these guys	Mar 05 03:06
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Diablo-D3	they are epic	Mar 05 03:06
Diablo-D3	best trolls ever	Mar 05 03:06
schestowitz	Yup	Mar 05 03:06
Diablo-D3	I <3 them so much	Mar 05 03:06
schestowitz	I'm gonna post their vids in BN daily links	Mar 05 03:06
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: okay that bill gates video	Mar 05 03:06
Diablo-D3	Ive seen the original	Mar 05 03:07
Diablo-D3	hes actually said, very subtly, the exact opposite	Mar 05 03:07
Diablo-D3	the efficiency of third world countries are low because NOT ENOUGH people	Mar 05 03:07
Diablo-D3	insane isnt it?	Mar 05 03:08
Diablo-D3	I love how this video presents it	Mar 05 03:08
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: hrm pinkey purple gdm 2 screen	Mar 05 03:08
Diablo-D3	sebsebseb: tabfail?	Mar 05 03:08
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: like the background	Mar 05 03:08
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: uh yeah	Mar 05 03:08
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: ^^^^^^^^	Mar 05 03:09
Diablo-D3	lololol	Mar 05 03:09
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: change your nick =P	Mar 05 03:09
*sebsebseb thinks Ubuntu is turning into a bit of a joke		Mar 05 03:09
Diablo-D3	sebsebseb: dude	Mar 05 03:09
Diablo-D3	seriously	Mar 05 03:09
Diablo-D3	I said this	Mar 05 03:09
Diablo-D3	6 months after ubuntu came into being	Mar 05 03:09
sebsebseb	oh?	Mar 05 03:09
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: its funny though, bill gates does actually have many of the answers in his head	Mar 05 03:10
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: he just doesnt know how to do it without being all rich guy about it	Mar 05 03:10
Diablo-D3	its like, a subtle mental disorder	Mar 05 03:10
Diablo-D3	I mean, more subtler than what he already has	Mar 05 03:10
*sebsebseb is starting to think that Windows is better than Ubuntu, except for the many security issues. Then of course other distros Mandriva and so on :)		Mar 05 03:10
sebsebseb	oh yeah and of course having a rubbish default browser, that's something else bad about it, when it comes to Windows	Mar 05 03:11
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: six months after Ubuntu you put said what exactly?	Mar 05 03:11
Diablo-D3	sebsebseb: I said it was utter shit and was a cancer in the debian community	Mar 05 03:12
Diablo-D3	its funny how it took everybody like 9000 years to realize I was right	Mar 05 03:12
sebsebseb	Diablo-D3: well 8.10 is the last properly good release, well ok ethernet woudn't work on the other computer	Mar 05 03:13
sebsebseb	woudn't just work on there, but other then that	Mar 05 03:13
sebsebseb	9.04 is alright, except that's also where their rubish changes started, the editing of the fast user account switcher, resulting in shut down and log out being removed from the system menu	Mar 05 03:13
ender2070	sebsebseb needs to be burned	Mar 05 03:14
sebsebseb	ender2070: what?	Mar 05 03:14
ender2070	what kind of rebel trash is that	Mar 05 03:14
ender2070	i'll blow your planet up	Mar 05 03:14
ender2070	[22:03] * sebsebseb is starting to think that Windows is better than Ubuntu, except for the many security issues. Then of course other distros Mandriva and so on :)	Mar 05 03:14
sebsebseb	ender2070: Maybe that wasn't clear, I am saying Mandriva and such are better than Ubuntu, even though Mandriva does have a few little issues, nothing major though	Mar 05 03:15
ender2070	windows isn't better than anything	Mar 05 03:15
sebsebseb	they do certain things right	Mar 05 03:15
sebsebseb	for example eye candy	Mar 05 03:15
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*ender2070 pours gasoline all over sebsebseb		Mar 05 03:16
FurnaceBoy	rnb seems to have dropped off the face of the Earth.	Mar 05 03:16
FurnaceBoy	jweyrich: boa noite	Mar 05 03:16
*ender2070 lights a torch		Mar 05 03:16
sebsebseb	maybe this purplely pink stuff, will attract more females to Ubuntu	Mar 05 03:16
sebsebseb	that's something else they want	Mar 05 03:16
jweyrich	FurnaceBoy: noite! tudo bem?	Mar 05 03:16
bruce89	just when you thought it couldn't get worse...	Mar 05 03:16
*ender2070 breathes fire out of the torch at sebsebseb		Mar 05 03:16
FurnaceBoy	jweyrich: tudo... to brigando com o xmpp e java	Mar 05 03:16
jweyrich	FurnaceBoy: jabber bot?	Mar 05 03:17
sebsebseb	bruce89: it does	Mar 05 03:17
*ender2070 is now known as Trogdor_the_burn		Mar 05 03:17
FurnaceBoy	jweyrich: it's part of it. my old perl bot is part of a system i'm putting together...	Mar 05 03:17
*Trogdor_the_burn burns sebsebseb		Mar 05 03:17
sebsebseb	bruce89: well I knew it would probably get worse, but this is a LTS, it's meant to be pretty good, what I have seen so far, really isn't	Mar 05 03:17
FurnaceBoy	jweyrich: https://www.telegraphics.com.au/svn/jabberbots	Mar 05 03:17
Trogdor_the_burn	SPACIAL REND	Mar 05 03:17
bruce89	I was wrong	Mar 05 03:17
sebsebseb	bruce89: about what?	Mar 05 03:18
*Trogdor_the_burn uses spacial rend on sebsebseb burning the skin off his face		Mar 05 03:18
bruce89	I was referring to your comments on pink	Mar 05 03:18
sebsebseb	bruce89: so you agree, it's not a good colour theme?	Mar 05 03:19
Trogdor_the_burn	sebsebseb needs to stop being Hitler	Mar 05 03:19
bruce89	I don't know, because I don't have to use it every day	Mar 05 03:19
sebsebseb	bruce89: same here, I don't have to use it every day	Mar 05 03:19
jweyrich	FurnaceBoy: I remember that one, can't remember the nick it was using @ arcadia haha.	Mar 05 03:19
bruce89	but at least I don't whine about it every day	Mar 05 03:20
sebsebseb	Trogdor_the_burn: your quite new here or? anyway I am ignoring stupid stuff at the moment, or most of it	Mar 05 03:20
Trogdor_the_burn	u cant say windows is better than linux	Mar 05 03:20
FurnaceBoy	jweyrich: i'm still finding uses for it...	Mar 05 03:20
*Trogdor_the_burn burns sebsebseb at the stake for being into witchcraft		Mar 05 03:20
FurnaceBoy	...	Mar 05 03:21
sebsebseb	ah ha Trogdor_the_burn is also Ender2070_	Mar 05 03:21
FurnaceBoy	phew	Mar 05 03:21
Trogdor_the_burn	im supposed to be Trogdor the burninator	Mar 05 03:22
Trogdor_the_burn	burninating the country side	Mar 05 03:22
FurnaceBoy	Trogdor_the_drunk more like it	Mar 05 03:22
sebsebseb	FurnaceBoy: why phew, since it's not some new user that's being a moron?	Mar 05 03:22
DaemonFC	burninating = What happens when you get Gonorrhea?	Mar 05 03:22
FurnaceBoy	sebsebseb: my immediate reaction was relief that it was an old user. dunno why.	Mar 05 03:22
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: how are you likeing the pinkey/purple theme, I just seen the GDM	Mar 05 03:22
DaemonFC	haven't logged out yet	Mar 05 03:23
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: it seems I should get a dialy build for the plymouth theme though, the updates haven't given me it	Mar 05 03:23
bruce89	patience is a virtue	Mar 05 03:24
sebsebseb	bruce89: no it's been there over 24 hours apparantly	Mar 05 03:24
sebsebseb	bruce89: however I didn't get it	Mar 05 03:24
bruce89	it's not as if it's life threatening the lack of a plymouth theme	Mar 05 03:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@RiahLahren Closer and closer to unfollowing this person // i have a 3 strikes policy, except in extreme cases		Mar 05 03:24
sebsebseb	bruce89: sure, but when it comes to the new theme stuff, that's the only thing I am properly interested in	Mar 05 03:25
bruce89	it surprises me that you are interested at all	Mar 05 03:25
sebsebseb	bruce89: other computer is on Ubuntu 9.10 at the moment, when it boots it says Kubuntu is loading, and it uses KDM. Why since Xplash was a joke with the white Ubuntu logo in the centre of the screen. also I didn't like the GDM theme. Oh sure programs to change some stuff to do with those, but nope didn't want to do that. Anyway that one might end up Mandriva or some other distro later this year.	Mar 05 03:26
sebsebseb	bruce89: and I have probably told you stuff like this before	Mar 05 03:27
sebsebseb	well yeah I have	Mar 05 03:27
bruce89	use what you like	Mar 05 03:28
DaemonFC	use burninating in a sentence......	Mar 05 03:28
sebsebseb	bruce89: and you know I care about Desktop Linux market share	Mar 05 03:28
DaemonFC	"I was burninating in the shower one day and after laying on the basin screaming in agony for about 3 minutes, I know I must have Gonorrhea"	Mar 05 03:28
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sebsebseb	bruce89: however I am starting to think more like you these days, espesaily now with what I seen from Lucid, how it's probably not really a great thing, if Ubuntu gains a more proper market share say 10%	Mar 05 03:29
bruce89	yes, so you keep saying	Mar 05 03:29
jweyrich	FurnaceBoy: sorry, someone called me here.	Mar 05 03:32
sebsebseb	bruce89: well at least the new GDM isn't so dark :) not the colours I would of gone for though for the background.	Mar 05 03:34
DaemonFC	I wonder if I should make a dummy package called "exboyfriend" that conflicts with package "libido" so that aptitude will offer to remove my libido entirely	Mar 05 03:34
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: remove what?	Mar 05 03:35
sebsebseb	what's libido?	Mar 05 03:35
Trogdor_the_burn	sounds like something a communist would say	Mar 05 03:35
DaemonFC	Ubuntu has a libido	Mar 05 03:35
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 05 03:35
bruce89	libIDO, surely that must exist?	Mar 05 03:36
bruce89	klibido does	Mar 05 03:37
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Do you have any idea if AppArmor is dead upstream or if anything is being done other than individual distros making sure it still builds?	Mar 05 03:42
DaemonFC	I wonder if it has become another grub legacy	Mar 05 03:42
Trogdor_the_burn	they realized SELinux owns it and gave up	Mar 05 03:43
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schestowitz	tessier: server down?	Mar 05 03:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @jodotcom @Brian_Blank Palin: ‘joined Fox bc there’s 2 much ‘opinion interjected in hard news’ in #msm http://bit.ly/bOkhdB //say WHUT?		Mar 05 03:58
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Chips_B_Malroy	Diabio-D3> I too would have liked to see Mark work more with Debian, and not done his own repo's hacked over from Debian.	Mar 05 04:00
schestowitz	DaemonFC: Ubuntu wants to bring it back or something (see The H last week)	Mar 05 04:00
DaemonFC	they should move to Tomoyo	Mar 05 04:01
DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOMOYO_Linux	Mar 05 04:02
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DaemonFC	http://tomoyo.sourceforge.jp/index.html.en	Mar 05 04:02
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DaemonFC	sounds like that could give them what they want	Mar 05 04:03
schestowitz	Diablo-D3: thanks	Mar 05 04:03
schestowitz	I didn't see the whole video	Mar 05 04:04
DaemonFC	simple policies, path-based, doesn't kill random things for no reason	Mar 05 04:04
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: hes surprisingly good at public speaking for being an aspie	Mar 05 04:04
DaemonFC	plus it's actually maintained and a part of the kernel	Mar 05 04:04
Diablo-D3	as much as I hate him, I dont mind watching him	Mar 05 04:04
DaemonFC	Mandriva has had Tomoyo for a while, it's just not turned on by default	Mar 05 04:04
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Diablo-D3	schestowitz: bill does undestand large scale economicsw	Mar 05 04:06
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: this, obviously, is a sword that can be used two ways	Mar 05 04:06
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: he chose... unwisely. but it doesnt mean he doesnt understand a much more effective way.	Mar 05 04:06
Diablo-D3	he just doesnt do it.	Mar 05 04:06
Diablo-D3	hes a dick.	Mar 05 04:06
Diablo-D3	schestowitz: sometimes I wonder if he knows hes evil, and hes just trying to goad good people into, uh, being good.	Mar 05 04:08
Diablo-D3	which would	Mar 05 04:08
Diablo-D3	make him the good guy	Mar 05 04:08
Diablo-D3	AAAAARGH IM SO CONFUSED	Mar 05 04:08
cubezzz	no :)	Mar 05 04:08
cubezzz	Gates is not good no matter what definition is used	Mar 05 04:09
cubezzz	Maybe he thinks he's good	Mar 05 04:09
cubezzz	but no one else does	Mar 05 04:09
cubezzz	he usually breaks the rules	Mar 05 04:10
Diablo-D3	cubezzz: well think about it	Mar 05 04:10
Diablo-D3	every story needs a bad guy	Mar 05 04:10
Diablo-D3	maybe he	Mar 05 04:10
Diablo-D3	willingly	Mar 05 04:10
Diablo-D3	became the bad guy	Mar 05 04:10
Diablo-D3	so everyone else can be good guys	Mar 05 04:11
Diablo-D3	CRAP!	Mar 05 04:11
Diablo-D3	AAARGH!	Mar 05 04:11
Diablo-D3	MY BRAIN IS MELTING!	Mar 05 04:11
cubezzz	He's all about control	Mar 05 04:11
Diablo-D3	So he got the best seat in the house.	Mar 05 04:11
cubezzz	he wanted to control the world's PCs, and in a combination of ruthlessness, smarts and luck, he achieved it	Mar 05 04:11
Diablo-D3	cubezzz: except	Mar 05 04:12
Diablo-D3	he never controlled them	Mar 05 04:12
Diablo-D3	in the end	Mar 05 04:12
Diablo-D3	we do.	Mar 05 04:12
cubezzz	the OEM situation is just ridiculously bad	Mar 05 04:12
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: ruthlessness?	Mar 05 04:12
Chips_B_Malroy	Gates is all about greed, he is the new Midas	Mar 05 04:13
FurnaceBoy	greed of the most destructive, amoral kind	Mar 05 04:13
cubezzz	yes, he will work hard to put the other guy out of business	Mar 05 04:13
Chips_B_Malroy	reference king midas	Mar 05 04:13
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: that's an over-polite way of putting it.	Mar 05 04:13
cubezzz	but Microsoft and Gates are old news	Mar 05 04:14
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: he cannot tolerate competition. he cannot tolerate being subject to anything , including the law.	Mar 05 04:14
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: hardly!	Mar 05 04:14
FurnaceBoy	clear and present danger	Mar 05 04:14
cubezzz	things aren't going to continue as they were	Mar 05 04:14
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: he jumped the tracks, WITH all the cash	Mar 05 04:14
Chips_B_Malroy	yes, we are gong to win	Mar 05 04:14
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: Gates is still a problem for civilisation	Mar 05 04:14
FurnaceBoy	Chips_B_Malroy: yes we shall	Mar 05 04:14
cubezzz	oh he's still a problem, sure	Mar 05 04:15
cubezzz	watch him closely :)	Mar 05 04:15
Chips_B_Malroy	we are winning	Mar 05 04:15
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: yep	Mar 05 04:15
Chips_B_Malroy	and Gates and friends, they do still need to be watched	Mar 05 04:15
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: i guess i am reacting to what you said because so few really understand what a malignant thing he is	Mar 05 04:15
cubezzz	even when Gates tried to be "good" he's bad	Mar 05 04:15
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: the word has no meaning for him. he has no moral compass	Mar 05 04:16
Chips_B_Malroy	know thyself. and better: know thy enemomy	Mar 05 04:17
FurnaceBoy	put in the same box as Murdoch, Cheney, Stalin, Idi Amin, and a thousand other sociopaths	Mar 05 04:17
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cubezzz	if Windows was 33% and Mac was 33% and Linux was 33% I could live with that	Mar 05 04:17
Chips_B_Malroy	Gates at least has some limits	Mar 05 04:17
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: yeah but guess what? that's not likely to happen	Mar 05 04:17
Chips_B_Malroy	he is not hitler or stalim	Mar 05 04:17
cubezzz	yeah	Mar 05 04:18
Chips_B_Malroy	*stalim	Mar 05 04:18
cubezzz	Stalin :)	Mar 05 04:18
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: because Microsoft is not only unwilling to compete, they are unable, and will die before that happens.	Mar 05 04:18
Chips_B_Malroy	*stalin	Mar 05 04:18
cubezzz	Ford used to rule, now they are just another competitor	Mar 05 04:18
Chips_B_Malroy	he would not kill unless by accident or bad code	Mar 05 04:18
cubezzz	the same thing will happen to Microsoft	Mar 05 04:18
FurnaceBoy	Chips_B_Malroy: you can do a great deal of damage to humanity without being seen as a killer	Mar 05 04:19
Chips_B_Malroy	agreed	Mar 05 04:19
FurnaceBoy	Chips_B_Malroy: Murdoch. Gates. etc. the list is very long	Mar 05 04:19
Chips_B_Malroy	and he has	Mar 05 04:19
Chips_B_Malroy	Murdoch, maybe not as evil as some	Mar 05 04:19
FurnaceBoy	Chips_B_Malroy: all these hidden billionaires. trashing the planet, trashing civilisation. Wal-Mart uber alles.	Mar 05 04:19
cubezzz	I never shop at Wal-mart	Mar 05 04:20
Chips_B_Malroy	at least he shown an opposing viewpoint	Mar 05 04:20
FurnaceBoy	Chips_B_Malroy: Murdoch is about as destructive as you get before you break out the WMD.	Mar 05 04:20
Chips_B_Malroy	agreed he got bad	Mar 05 04:20
FurnaceBoy	Chips_B_Malroy: no, he was ALWAYS bad.	Mar 05 04:20
FurnaceBoy	Chips_B_Malroy: his history in Australia and the UK is news to some	Mar 05 04:20
FurnaceBoy	Chips_B_Malroy: he's been trashing media and running coup-by-headline for 40 years nopw	Mar 05 04:21
FurnaceBoy	now*	Mar 05 04:21
FurnaceBoy	along with Hearst he practically invented tabloidism and now it's everywhere	Mar 05 04:21
FurnaceBoy	to our great detriment	Mar 05 04:21
cubezzz	Microsoft can't expand	Mar 05 04:21
cubezzz	their stock price is flat	Mar 05 04:21
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: has been flat for years	Mar 05 04:21
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: they're a shell	Mar 05 04:22
cubezzz	but it's definitely time for GNU/Linux to step up and own _some_ OEMs	Mar 05 04:22
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: it has served its purpose, which was to make Gates king of the world	Mar 05 04:22
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: it is	Mar 05 04:22
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: the OEM issue is the elephant in the room	Mar 05 04:22
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: it's MS life support	Mar 05 04:22
DaemonFC	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9vAOzYz-Qs&feature=channel	Mar 05 04:23
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Chips_B_Malroy	but Fox was a bit different that all the other stuff he ran	Mar 05 04:23
cubezzz	I've seen a lot of things try to gain some market share like GEOS and BeOS and Amiga	Mar 05 04:23
*FurnaceBoy wonders how many more metaphors he can use, after already Godwinning^2 this		Mar 05 04:23
FurnaceBoy	cubezzz: OS X	Mar 05 04:23
cubezzz	but GNU/Linux is succeeding	Mar 05 04:23
cubezzz	yeah OS X does OK	Mar 05 04:23
Chips_B_Malroy	only in USA	Mar 05 04:23
FurnaceBoy	eh, no	Mar 05 04:24
FurnaceBoy	Mac is more popular in Europe than USA afaict	Mar 05 04:24
FurnaceBoy	historically this has been true, also, but i dont have figures handy to show it	Mar 05 04:24
FurnaceBoy	the weird thing is how MS retains mindshare in BRIC	Mar 05 04:25
FurnaceBoy	i never could understand that.	Mar 05 04:25
FurnaceBoy	it's not as if indians, chinese, russians and south americans are stupid. quite the contrary. and they;re highly educated. so why the Windows addiction?	Mar 05 04:25
FurnaceBoy	makes no sense	Mar 05 04:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ATT and #Microsoft Grow Closer (a Bong [sic] in #Yahoo Clothing) http://boycottnovell.com/2010/03/04/att-and-microsoft-spying/		Mar 05 04:25
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FurnaceBoy	countries that can ill afford to poison their own software industries by going Microsoft	Mar 05 04:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Simon Phipps: “Seems Even With #Microsoft ’s Support #Novell Couldn’t Cut It” http://ur1.ca/of54		Mar 05 04:26
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schestowitz		Mar 05 04:26
FurnaceBoy	i guess it's partly kickbacks and bribes	Mar 05 04:26
schestowitz	[04:04] <Diablo-D3> schestowitz: hes surprisingly good at public speaking for being an aspie	Mar 05 04:26
schestowitz	He's not a good speaker	Mar 05 04:27
FurnaceBoy	gates?	Mar 05 04:27
FurnaceBoy	Seinfeld ad. that's all you need to know about his social skills.	Mar 05 04:27
FurnaceBoy	he's amoral sociopath, zero empathy, narcissist, megalomaniac. don't expect charm.	Mar 05 04:27
schestowitz	[04:06] <Diablo-D3> hes a dick.	Mar 05 04:27
schestowitz	So give him a vasectomy	Mar 05 04:27
FurnaceBoy	DaemonFC has the right tool for that.	Mar 05 04:28
DaemonFC	I have the right tool for any job	Mar 05 04:28
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 05 04:28
FurnaceBoy	:)	Mar 05 04:28
schestowitz	[04:19] <FurnaceBoy> Chips_B_Malroy: Murdoch. Gates. etc. the list is very long	Mar 05 04:28
schestowitz	Don't forget older generations	Mar 05 04:28
schestowitz	Like Carnegie, Rockefeller, etc.	Mar 05 04:29
FurnaceBoy	yes.	Mar 05 04:29
DaemonFC	heh	Mar 05 04:29
FurnaceBoy	but we're having trouble resuscitating stuff that's only 30 / 40 years old.	Mar 05 04:29
FurnaceBoy	nobody here even remembers Gulf Murder I	Mar 05 04:29
schestowitz	Rockefellers still run a lot of the GMO (patents), vaccine (inoculation and stirilisation), etc.	Mar 05 04:29
DaemonFC	Exaile panics and bailed because it couldn't look up one of my albums that's not released yet	Mar 05 04:29
ender2070	sterilizaion	Mar 05 04:29
FurnaceBoy	schestowitz: listen to Roger Waters? "The Bravery of being out of range"	Mar 05 04:30
FurnaceBoy	schestowitz: and during Reagan years, "The Final Cut" and "The Wall" got me through school	Mar 05 04:30
FurnaceBoy	schestowitz: "Oh Maggie, what have we done?"	Mar 05 04:30
FurnaceBoy	Home for Incurable Tyrants.	Mar 05 04:31
FurnaceBoy	Pinochet is dead; teh ultimate appeal	Mar 05 04:32
FurnaceBoy	Kissinger shall go to his reward soon	Mar 05 04:32
FurnaceBoy	and not screaming in pain like millions of his victims	Mar 05 04:33
DaemonFC	http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2914/screenshotbw.png	Mar 05 04:33
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FurnaceBoy	bot bug	Mar 05 04:33
FurnaceBoy	oh	Mar 05 04:33
FurnaceBoy	not bot bug	Mar 05 04:33
*FurnaceBoy goes back to sleep		Mar 05 04:34
schestowitz	There's GAVI.......	Mar 05 04:34
ender2070	Kissinger got his knighting	Mar 05 04:34
Chips_B_Malroy	researching these corporate raiders, has shown me how low these types are	Mar 05 04:34
FurnaceBoy	Chips_B_Malroy: yep!	Mar 05 04:34
FurnaceBoy	Chips_B_Malroy: reading Gates + MS exec testimony opened my mind to the depth of depravity we're dealing with	Mar 05 04:35
FurnaceBoy	Chips_B_Malroy: primary sources have it all	Mar 05 04:35
schestowitz	ender2070: hehe	Mar 05 04:35
schestowitz	I guess he killed enough people	Mar 05 04:35
schestowitz	Makes him quite a knight	Mar 05 04:35
FurnaceBoy	ender2070: Kissinger cannot visit Paris. That's a tiny part of the punishment he deserves.	Mar 05 04:35
schestowitz	Did they give him a long sword with that?	Mar 05 04:35
Chips_B_Malroy	they have no loyality to those who toil in the companies they destroy	Mar 05 04:36
schestowitz	IIRC, in the 70s Kissinger discussed constrceptive means with Nixon	Mar 05 04:36
FurnaceBoy	schestowitz: i suspect illegal B52 bombing missions is outside the code of chivalry	Mar 05 04:36
schestowitz	While being his sort of protege (ministr really)	Mar 05 04:36
schestowitz	The docs were only unsealed in the later 80s, maybe 89	Mar 05 04:36
FurnaceBoy	schestowitz: not to mention cowardly CIA assassination systems	Mar 05 04:36
schestowitz	FurnaceBoy: maybe they had too much spare stuff in the arsenal	Mar 05 04:36
schestowitz	They needed to get rid of old ones	Mar 05 04:37
FurnaceBoy	schestowitz: quite a pile of docs have been deliberately concealed by Kissinger estate	Mar 05 04:37
schestowitz	To make some high-tech stuff	Mar 05 04:37
FurnaceBoy	schestowitz: docs that were formerly public property	Mar 05 04:37
schestowitz	Shock and Awe	Mar 05 04:37
schestowitz	Make the Culumbine workers watch TV and get their work's worth	Mar 05 04:37
schestowitz	FurnaceBoy: see the above about AT&T	Mar 05 04:37
FurnaceBoy	schestowitz: remember the arms shipments Israel had fast tracked while they carpet bombed Gaza last year?	Mar 05 04:37
schestowitz	I put a video there of Klein	Mar 05 04:38
FurnaceBoy	schestowitz: they couldn't get explosive fast enough	Mar 05 04:38
schestowitz	It's not the video I had in mind, but still, it's the one I found fastest	Mar 05 04:38
FurnaceBoy	schestowitz: which video?	Mar 05 04:38
FurnaceBoy	i may not have been logged in	Mar 05 04:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Poor selling their votes for cash http://ur1.ca/oeeg selling to whom? And why occupation fails...		Mar 05 04:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Alexander Wolfe is still attacking FOSS http://ur1.ca/oe30 Given how disInfoWeek is tossing writers these days, he too is a relic		Mar 05 04:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux -Savvy Writers View #ElliotAssociates as Bad Neighbourhood http://ur1.ca/odyj #raider #greed #icahn #novell		Mar 05 04:39
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ender2070	elliot associates is probably a front group for microsoft	Mar 05 04:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] On #Microsoft 's Latest #Linux Extortion in Japan and #Apple 's Linux #Extortion in China http://ur1.ca/odwl		Mar 05 04:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #EU citizens, help oppose the #ACTA http://ur1.ca/oeej http://ur1.ca/ndqr		Mar 05 04:40
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ender2070	www is actually 666 in hebrew	Mar 05 04:41
schestowitz	http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-03-05-002-35-OP-NT	Mar 05 04:41
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FurnaceBoy	ender2070: my brain just popped	Mar 05 04:41
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DaemonFC	hmmm	Mar 05 04:42
schestowitz	It's 5 am and I can't get tired. Odd....	Mar 05 04:43
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYW50F42ss8&feature=related	Mar 05 04:45
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Chips_B_Malroy	Roy, since you still up. Jono was here, but I did not really want to put him on the spot for two reasons. First, I am sure he knows I am aggresive with those who support MS unfairly. But I do not go after other distro's of Linux, even some that I do not see eye to eye with.	Mar 05 05:04
Chips_B_Malroy	the second reason, is he has a job there. I would not want to put that at risk.	Mar 05 05:04
DaemonFC	Chips_B_Malroy, It's not like Ubuntu has gone further than other distros re Mono	Mar 05 05:05
DaemonFC	it's obviously not a good thing that they ship it, but they're not spamming it like Novell is	Mar 05 05:05
DaemonFC	you get as much Mono with Mandriva GNOME as you do in Ubuntu	Mar 05 05:05
Chips_B_Malroy	Being said, Ubuntu, is not for me. I will never, ever use MONO, or MOONBAT/moonlight, whatever its called	Mar 05 05:06
DaemonFC	Debian will be shipping Mono now too	Mar 05 05:06
DaemonFC	is what I heard anyway...	Mar 05 05:06
Chips_B_Malroy	MS lock in sucks	Mar 05 05:06
DaemonFC	so the Mono proliferation is getting worse, not better	Mar 05 05:06
jono	Chips_B_Malroy, jono is still here :)	Mar 05 05:06
Chips_B_Malroy	Debian has always shipped Mono	Mar 05 05:06
DaemonFC	jono is all places at all times	Mar 05 05:07
DaemonFC	jono is all things to all people	Mar 05 05:07
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 05 05:07
DaemonFC	God sent him	Mar 05 05:07
Chips_B_Malroy	sorry jono, not to put u on the spot	Mar 05 05:07
DaemonFC	fear!!!	Mar 05 05:07
jono	lol, don't worry Chips_B_Malroy	Mar 05 05:07
Chips_B_Malroy	its as you said, if you do not like it, do not use it	Mar 05 05:07
Chips_B_Malroy	but, still I don't hate Ubuntu, its good	Mar 05 05:08
Chips_B_Malroy	but neither will I use it	Mar 05 05:08
DaemonFC	personally I don't think community managers should be there if they aren't thick skinned	Mar 05 05:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Really wish I didn't have to be debuggin' #smack #xmpp #java library with a solution to deliver asap.		Mar 05 05:08
DaemonFC	because their job involves explaining stupid things that the distro has done	Mar 05 05:08
Chips_B_Malroy	as I did before	Mar 05 05:08
Chips_B_Malroy	and neither will I recommend it	Mar 05 05:09
DaemonFC	(along with promoting the good things)	Mar 05 05:09
Chips_B_Malroy	jono> I know you try	Mar 05 05:09
DaemonFC	I've seen Ubuntu do stupid things and good things	Mar 05 05:09
Chips_B_Malroy	I give you credit for that	Mar 05 05:09
DaemonFC	I see them as a net plus though	Mar 05 05:09
schestowitz	My brain tells me I'm finally tired, so gn	Mar 05 05:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] This is exactly what we want - http://is.gd/9J0vm #opportunisticdevelopers #ubuntu #python #pygtk		Mar 05 05:09
jono	DaemonFC, yep, you gotta be thick skinned for this job	Mar 05 05:09
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jono	night schestowitz	Mar 05 05:09
jono	Chips_B_Malroy, it's no big deal	Mar 05 05:10
Chips_B_Malroy	DeamonFC> all distro's have bad versions, including Ubuntu	Mar 05 05:10
jono	everyone is welcome to their opinions and choices	Mar 05 05:10
Chips_B_Malroy	gn jono	Mar 05 05:10
jono	and what I love about free software is that if you don't like ubuntu, thats fine, there are plenty of other great opions :)	Mar 05 05:10
jono	options	Mar 05 05:10
DaemonFC	you do something good, nobody notices	Mar 05 05:10
DaemonFC	you screw up, everyone's a critic	Mar 05 05:10
jono	DaemonFC, welcome to my world, brother	Mar 05 05:11
jono	:)	Mar 05 05:11
Chips_B_Malroy	its true, and just because its not for me (notice I did not say its bad) does not mean my brother loves it	Mar 05 05:11
Chips_B_Malroy	he is 80years old btw	Mar 05 05:11
DaemonFC	jono, I'd like to see them explore Tomoyo if AppArmor is left unmaintained	Mar 05 05:11
DaemonFC	SELinux is wicked	Mar 05 05:11
jono	Chips_B_Malroy, :)	Mar 05 05:12
Chips_B_Malroy	and can still figure out Ubuntu with my help, and I do not run it	Mar 05 05:12
jono	Chips_B_Malroy, cool	Mar 05 05:12
Chips_B_Malroy	Jono> guess its good I some some marginal Debian experience (Mepis)	Mar 05 05:13
DaemonFC	mmmmmm, french fries	Mar 05 05:13
DaemonFC	and triple cheeseburger	Mar 05 05:13
DaemonFC	NOM NOM NOM!!!!	Mar 05 05:13
jono	DaemonFC, hungry, pal?	Mar 05 05:13
jono	:)	Mar 05 05:13
DaemonFC	little bit	Mar 05 05:14
DaemonFC	Wendys :P	Mar 05 05:14
Chips_B_Malroy	everything open here DaemonFC, this City never sleeps	Mar 05 05:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@ alexa_nicole Wild life makes me so sad & angry // it doesn't seem a very healthy reaction. just sayin' #nature		Mar 05 05:14
DaemonFC	Chips_B_Malroy, Eventually this city will be Lord Of The Flies with our mayor and city council	Mar 05 05:15
Chips_B_Malroy	bet they roll up the sidewalks there at 10, hehe	Mar 05 05:15
DaemonFC	firing everyone	Mar 05 05:15
Chips_B_Malroy	they will just stink like flies is my bet	Mar 05 05:15
DaemonFC	this town is Teabagger Paradise :P	Mar 05 05:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@arplynn never occurred to me you meant 'replace #opengl', but sounds pretty depressing anyway. Won't affect me, I'm stuck on 10.5 forever		Mar 05 05:15
Chips_B_Malroy	?	Mar 05 05:16
Chips_B_Malroy	10.5 is that Suse?	Mar 05 05:16
tessier__	schestowitz: Slashdot links to Linux Today which links to " Firm Behind Novell Bid Has Shady Past, Could be Tied to Microsoft" on boycottnovell.com	Mar 05 05:16
Chips_B_Malroy	jono, you still there?	Mar 05 05:17
Chips_B_Malroy	wanted one thing more	Mar 05 05:17
Chips_B_Malroy	and its not a question	Mar 05 05:17
Chips_B_Malroy	but not going to suggest if you not listening	Mar 05 05:18
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Chips_B_Malroy	good, hehe, that is the trouble with rich folks, they know all. MS good, I can talk to them, and bargain with them. IS this how Mark thinks? Maybe	Mar 05 05:19
Chips_B_Malroy	But me, I listen to Stallman, he wants freedom, he is not greedy, (not that Mark is either)	Mar 05 05:20
Chips_B_Malroy	I felt that Jono was trying to avoid me somewhat. Anybody else see it that way?	Mar 05 05:21
DaemonFC	00no	Mar 05 05:22
DaemonFC	errrr	Mar 05 05:22
DaemonFC	no	Mar 05 05:22
Chips_B_Malroy	thank you DaemonFC for that completely honest opinion.	Mar 05 05:22
Chips_B_Malroy	I have tryed my best to socially correct myself, and not say that BROWN Themes completely remind me of Krap! I even was on my best behavior and said Purple was the color of royality. Didn't I?	Mar 05 05:26
Chips_B_Malroy	It was an improvement, the color?	Mar 05 05:26
Chips_B_Malroy	How about that ugly ugly bird they used for the desktop wallpaper in one release?	Mar 05 05:27
Chips_B_Malroy	god awful	Mar 05 05:27
Chips_B_Malroy	DaemonFC> what version was that?	Mar 05 05:28
Chips_B_Malroy	DaemonFC> what version was that???	Mar 05 05:28
DaemonFC	8.04	Mar 05 05:28
Chips_B_Malroy	that was when I wanted to stop following them, and I would have too	Mar 05 05:28
Chips_B_Malroy	but they had name reconizition just like M$	Mar 05 05:29
Chips_B_Malroy	my brother had to have Ubuntu, name reconiizition thing	Mar 05 05:29
Chips_B_Malroy	np, learn it	Mar 05 05:30
DaemonFC	nothing wrong with name recognition	Mar 05 05:30
Chips_B_Malroy	but I will help you only so far as its like the distro I use	Mar 05 05:30
Diablo-D3	ubuntu sucks	Mar 05 05:31
Diablo-D3	use debian	Mar 05 05:31
Chips_B_Malroy	DaemonFC> do not get me wrong, Ubuntu, I do not hate, its just not me. I would use it if choice came between Ubuntu and others .	Mar 05 05:31
Chips_B_Malroy	But mostly, I would go with most other distros	Mar 05 05:32
Chips_B_Malroy	we must be careful with jono, he has a job to do	Mar 05 05:33
Chips_B_Malroy	no way I want to put him in danger of that	Mar 05 05:33
Chips_B_Malroy	Diablo-D3> yes, I agee, go with Debian	Mar 05 05:34
Chips_B_Malroy	*agree	Mar 05 05:34
Chips_B_Malroy	But Debian, has been always harder for complete newbs	Mar 05 05:34
Chips_B_Malroy	so a distro based on Debian first	Mar 05 05:35
Chips_B_Malroy	?	Mar 05 05:35
Chips_B_Malroy	Sadly, Ubuntu morphed Debian into this weird thing	Mar 05 05:35
Chips_B_Malroy	is it good, well my brother thinks so. Lets see what DaemonFC has to say 6 weeks from now. Rather, lets see if he is still using it 6 weekes from now.	Mar 05 05:37
Diablo-D3	does anyone give a fuck what DaemonFC is doing 6 weeks from now?	Mar 05 05:37
Diablo-D3	or hell, now now?	Mar 05 05:37
DaemonFC	it's feature complete now	Mar 05 05:37
Chips_B_Malroy	I do	Mar 05 05:37
Diablo-D3	dude, your mom is feature complete	Mar 05 05:37
Chips_B_Malroy	mostly he has some knownledge	Mar 05 05:38
Chips_B_Malroy	I respect that	Mar 05 05:38
Chips_B_Malroy	but at the same time, my distro (which is not perfect in some ways) does everything I ask it. and have no resason to change. Plus it is not infected with MONO/Moonlight, or Bing Krap	Mar 05 05:40
DaemonFC	Ubuntu doesn't have Moonlight	Mar 05 05:40
Chips_B_Malroy	and, its has decent wallpaper! hehe	Mar 05 05:40
DaemonFC	it's in the repo though I think	Mar 05 05:41
DaemonFC	no codecs though so it's still useless until you get those	Mar 05 05:41
Chips_B_Malroy	DaemonFC> what is in the repo?	Mar 05 05:41
DaemonFC	the plug-in without the media codecs	Mar 05 05:41
Chips_B_Malroy	its in the multimedia(Debian) repo now nonfree as Debian finially figured out the patent problems, weill at least somewhat	Mar 05 05:42
DaemonFC	it's in Universe in Ubuntu	Mar 05 05:42
DaemonFC	not supporte	Mar 05 05:42
DaemonFC	*supported	Mar 05 05:42
Chips_B_Malroy	you have to add that repo, legality now know here in usa	Mar 05 05:42
Chips_B_Malroy	could be ,in Ubuntuland	Mar 05 05:43
Chips_B_Malroy	whatever	Mar 05 05:43
Chips_B_Malroy	who or what would ever want MOONLIGHT?	Mar 05 05:43
Chips_B_Malroy	it does not work! get it?	Mar 05 05:44
Chips_B_Malroy	why bother???	Mar 05 05:44
Chips_B_Malroy	its complete krap	Mar 05 05:44
DaemonFC	it never runs any real sites	Mar 05 05:44
DaemonFC	it runs the demo sites, maybe	Mar 05 05:44
Chips_B_Malroy	will not play netflix or blockbuster streaming vids, get it???	Mar 05 05:44
DaemonFC	no	Mar 05 05:45
Chips_B_Malroy	just move on	Mar 05 05:45
Chips_B_Malroy	MS promises, they give a few million, see we are cross platform. But they lie, lie, lie, they love lock in	Mar 05 05:46
Chips_B_Malroy	its what they about	Mar 05 05:46
Chips_B_Malroy	and if they can find a weak member of the community like Novell	Mar 05 05:46
Chips_B_Malroy	to pay	Mar 05 05:46
Chips_B_Malroy	and use for PR, they will	Mar 05 05:47
Chips_B_Malroy	with Miguel MR Dee as there tool	Mar 05 05:47
Chips_B_Malroy	whoewver	Mar 05 05:47
Chips_B_Malroy	*whoever	Mar 05 05:47
Chips_B_Malroy	its about billions per month	Mar 05 05:48
Chips_B_Malroy	we should not hate our weaker members of the community	Mar 05 05:49
Chips_B_Malroy	they deserve our pity in some ways	Mar 05 05:49
Chips_B_Malroy	Novell is toast. I put there chances of staying in bus, at 10% without someone buying them out. It might not be Singer.	Mar 05 05:51
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Chips_B_Malroy	But I have to wonder about Ubuntu. Mark leaving the top post, what does that mean?	Mar 05 05:51
Chips_B_Malroy	where will the money be coming from?	Mar 05 05:52
Chips_B_Malroy	The thing about GNU/Linux has always been, Its like its about friends and neighbors helping out each other. Its not been so much about money. The four freedoms that Stallman had preached, yes. It goes beyond that my friends.	Mar 05 05:54
Chips_B_Malroy	I think he wanted a sysem that people could use without reinventing the wheel, or paying again for it. for friend and nieghbors to share.	Mar 05 05:55
Chips_B_Malroy	Ubuntu is going more and more the other way, towards MS. There is still time to correct this, if Mark wants to? But somehow, his friendship with Lefty, I just don't know.	Mar 05 05:59
Chips_B_Malroy	Lefty is a very bad source of information, values, whatever	Mar 05 06:00
Chips_B_Malroy	Lefty is the rotten core of the apple	Mar 05 06:01
Chips_B_Malroy	if Mark get and listen to this one advice	Mar 05 06:01
Chips_B_Malroy	DaemonFC> Wensdy still open there?	Mar 05 06:04
DaemonFC	Until midnight	Mar 05 06:04
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DaemonFC	#3 large, diet coke	Mar 05 06:04
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 05 06:04
Chips_B_Malroy	they open till 1 out in most of western US	Mar 05 06:04
DaemonFC	I like going there right before they close	Mar 05 06:04
DaemonFC	like 10-15 minutes	Mar 05 06:04
DaemonFC	cause they're usually out of fries	Mar 05 06:05
DaemonFC	and that's good	Mar 05 06:05
Chips_B_Malroy	actually close eariler here some of them	Mar 05 06:05
DaemonFC	out of fries, still open, I order fries, they pour some into the fryer	Mar 05 06:05
DaemonFC	fresh right out of the fry vat	Mar 05 06:05
DaemonFC	mmmm	Mar 05 06:05
Chips_B_Malroy	not busy then so faster	Mar 05 06:05
DaemonFC	that too	Mar 05 06:05
DaemonFC	I usually have to wait a minute for the fries	Mar 05 06:05
DaemonFC	I hate stale french fries though	Mar 05 06:06
Chips_B_Malroy	frys will kill ya, but good tasting	Mar 05 06:06
DaemonFC	if they hand me stale fries, I hand them back	Mar 05 06:06
DaemonFC	tell them to go get me some freshish ones	Mar 05 06:06
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 05 06:06
Chips_B_Malroy	DaemonFc> why I cannot be hard on jono, is all distro's have some bad points	Mar 05 06:07
Chips_B_Malroy	even the one I use	Mar 05 06:07
Chips_B_Malroy	mine, has some non-free patented stuff in it	Mar 05 06:07
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Chips_B_Malroy	Waren has his ulitities, his scripts, and his box to check to aprove the licenceing. But he has said (a long time ago) that he would open source it, But since Mepis, is not in the top five, and its not exactly making big bucks, it cost money to do the legal work. And Warren must have a full time job, making it harder to do this. Legal work costs money,	Mar 05 06:10
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Chips_B_Malroy	Legal work cost money. The courts, they can break you. Break youself b4 you go to court.	Mar 05 06:11
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Chips_B_Malroy	its hard to get money out of a stone	Mar 05 06:12
Chips_B_Malroy	so I easy on jono, but I noticed he sort of tryed to duck me	Mar 05 06:13
Chips_B_Malroy	he is slick, but sort of honest at same time	Mar 05 06:13
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Chips_B_Malroy	a lot of respect for him	Mar 05 06:14
DaemonFC	Mepis didn't impress me	Mar 05 06:15
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DaemonFC	no support for anything but Ext3, networking is hard to even enable	Mar 05 06:15
Chips_B_Malroy	but I fear for those who run his distro	Mar 05 06:15
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Chips_B_Malroy	ext3 is fine for me, think there is other choices here in my distro	Mar 05 06:16
Chips_B_Malroy	networking is always differnent	Mar 05 06:17
DaemonFC	uggh, don't just decide to fire 10 police officers......	Mar 05 06:17
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DaemonFC	no, too easy	Mar 05 06:17
Chips_B_Malroy	its not hard, but no different	Mar 05 06:17
DaemonFC	announce that you "might"	Mar 05 06:17
Chips_B_Malroy	we need cops	Mar 05 06:17
DaemonFC	that way they all get to worry about their jobs for this month	Mar 05 06:17
DaemonFC	and be in a pissy mood	Mar 05 06:18
DaemonFC	low morale	Mar 05 06:18
Chips_B_Malroy	more cops everywhere, in your back mirror	Mar 05 06:18
Chips_B_Malroy	more camera's	Mar 05 06:18
DaemonFC	they're talking about firing 10 officers here	Mar 05 06:18
Chips_B_Malroy	camera's, survallance	Mar 05 06:18
DaemonFC	we probably have 10 on each shift	Mar 05 06:18
Chips_B_Malroy	just like the Brits, its coming here, in fact its here where I am	Mar 05 06:19
Chips_B_Malroy	already	Mar 05 06:19
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Chips_B_Malroy	and you know what it really is??	Mar 05 06:19
DaemonFC	is 6 officers on duty enough for a town of 17,000?	Mar 05 06:19
Chips_B_Malroy	ITS A just another TAX!!!!	Mar 05 06:19
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Chips_B_Malroy	but this city would rather lose money on traffic camera's (paying 3rd partycompanies to run them) than not	Mar 05 06:20
Chips_B_Malroy	ask yourself why???	Mar 05 06:21
Chips_B_Malroy	accidents have not gone down	Mar 05 06:21
DaemonFC	traffic cameras are a good thing	Mar 05 06:21
cubezzz	it's a tax attack :)	Mar 05 06:21
DaemonFC	nail those assholes that run lights	Mar 05 06:21
DaemonFC	who the hell cares?	Mar 05 06:21
DaemonFC	make the guy pay	Mar 05 06:21
Chips_B_Malroy	it is because of kickbacks	Mar 05 06:21
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Chips_B_Malroy	money changes hands	Mar 05 06:21
Chips_B_Malroy	its always about the money, and greed	Mar 05 06:22
DaemonFC	see how many lights they run when they see it's going to cost $200 each time	Mar 05 06:22
DaemonFC	and they WILL be caught	Mar 05 06:22
Chips_B_Malroy	do not lose site of the money	Mar 05 06:22
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Chips_B_Malroy	follow the money, first	Mar 05 06:22
Chips_B_Malroy	heck the cameras mostly do not work	Mar 05 06:23
Chips_B_Malroy	but, once the system is in	Mar 05 06:23
Chips_B_Malroy	at some point, with the right people voted or not in, it could also be 1984	Mar 05 06:23
Chips_B_Malroy	but the krap tax is bad enough	Mar 05 06:24
Chips_B_Malroy	worse is the lights that change so fast	Mar 05 06:24
Chips_B_Malroy	you never know when they going mail you a ticket	Mar 05 06:25
Chips_B_Malroy	try to beat a machine	Mar 05 06:25
Chips_B_Malroy	Judges are not tech people	Mar 05 06:25
Chips_B_Malroy	so far I have not got one	Mar 05 06:25
Chips_B_Malroy	but everyone else I know, has	Mar 05 06:26
Chips_B_Malroy	its a money squeezing scheme	Mar 05 06:26
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Chips_B_Malroy	that exploits, (taxes) the middle and lower classes	Mar 05 06:27
Chips_B_Malroy	evil	Mar 05 06:27
DaemonFC	hmm, I kind of see what my mom was saying about Nutrisystem	Mar 05 06:27
DaemonFC	QVC had it on there for $300 for first month so she went on it, for about 2 days	Mar 05 06:27
DaemonFC	got her money back	Mar 05 06:27
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DaemonFC	gave me all the food she ordered, I took it cause why not right? Free food.	Mar 05 06:28
DaemonFC	pleh	Mar 05 06:28
DaemonFC	I tried the "chocolate chip cookie scone" just now, spit it back out into the trash	Mar 05 06:28
Chips_B_Malroy	DaemonFC> QVC? you talking traffic tickets by survallance camera's or television?	Mar 05 06:28
DaemonFC	TV	Mar 05 06:29
DaemonFC	I wonder how much of this shit is flavored cardboard	Mar 05 06:29
Chips_B_Malroy	just wait till big brother comes you way	Mar 05 06:29
DaemonFC	cause that sure was	Mar 05 06:29
cubezzz	you get what you pay for :)	Mar 05 06:29
Chips_B_Malroy	and it will, because Big Brother is just another TAX at first	Mar 05 06:30
cubezzz	if more people used public transit there would be a lot less traffic tickets	Mar 05 06:30
cubezzz	too many cars	Mar 05 06:31
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Chips_B_Malroy	its not too many cars	Mar 05 06:31
cubezzz	cars are pretty inefficient	Mar 05 06:31
Chips_B_Malroy	it too much gov and tax	Mar 05 06:31
cubezzz	of course there's too many cars	Mar 05 06:31
cubezzz	too many car accidents...	Mar 05 06:32
Chips_B_Malroy	too much control in the wrong hands	Mar 05 06:32
Chips_B_Malroy	just like ms	Mar 05 06:32
Chips_B_Malroy	not much difference, is there, like the gov and ms are sort of evil twins joined at the hip	Mar 05 06:33
Chips_B_Malroy	one palm greeses the other	Mar 05 06:33
Chips_B_Malroy	yes, there are too many cars, true	Mar 05 06:34
Chips_B_Malroy	where you from cubezzz?	Mar 05 06:34
cubezzz	Canada	Mar 05 06:34
cubezzz	near Toronto	Mar 05 06:34
Chips_B_Malroy	are you familar with western USA?	Mar 05 06:34
cubezzz	not really, only vaguely	Mar 05 06:35
Chips_B_Malroy	problem is, its not like eastern USA and Canada, or Europe	Mar 05 06:35
Chips_B_Malroy	lot of empty spaces and driving	Mar 05 06:35
cubezzz	Canada has lots of empty space	Mar 05 06:36
Chips_B_Malroy	but this "recession" started with almost $5 a gallon fuel prices here. More by you.	Mar 05 06:36
cubezzz	but near Toronto you can get around without a car	Mar 05 06:36
Chips_B_Malroy	Here we have to drive.	Mar 05 06:37
Chips_B_Malroy	some here too	Mar 05 06:37
cubezzz	btw we use the metric system :)	Mar 05 06:37
Chips_B_Malroy	forget that	Mar 05 06:37
Chips_B_Malroy	litres	Mar 05 06:37
Chips_B_Malroy	etc	Mar 05 06:37
cubezzz	it's around 96 cents per litre in Toronto	Mar 05 06:38
Chips_B_Malroy	been a long time since I been to Canada	Mar 05 06:38
Chips_B_Malroy	nice place, btw	Mar 05 06:38
Chips_B_Malroy	summertime	Mar 05 06:38
cubezzz	it's about $3.62 per gallon	Mar 05 06:39
Chips_B_Malroy	price of fuel was what cause this depression	Mar 05 06:39
Chips_B_Malroy	bottom line	Mar 05 06:39
cubezzz	Chips_B_Malroy, I found I save a lot by not running a car	Mar 05 06:39
Chips_B_Malroy	those on the edge, that had to drive to jobs a bit far	Mar 05 06:39
Chips_B_Malroy	its not about that cubezzz	Mar 05 06:39
cubezzz	and I do some jobs over the net now	Mar 05 06:39
cubezzz	yeah we got to stop burning fossils :)	Mar 05 06:40
Chips_B_Malroy	I know what u talking, long term, but I talking what caused this depression	Mar 05 06:40
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cubezzz	the banks I think	Mar 05 06:40
Chips_B_Malroy	no, the price of gas	Mar 05 06:40
cubezzz	Chevy has the volt now	Mar 05 06:40
Chips_B_Malroy	was the first straw that broke the camels back	Mar 05 06:41
cubezzz	of course the price of gas is high but...	Mar 05 06:41
Chips_B_Malroy	people here could not afford $5 a gallon	Mar 05 06:41
cubezzz	it's old tech, we shouldn't be SO dependent on gasoline	Mar 05 06:41
Chips_B_Malroy	take anothe r$20 a week out of someone paycheck	Mar 05 06:41
cubezzz	sometimes I cab to work, it costs about $8	Mar 05 06:42
Chips_B_Malroy	well I agree with you, but	Mar 05 06:42
cubezzz	I can walk for free :)	Mar 05 06:42
Chips_B_Malroy	not everyone is good with money	Mar 05 06:42
Chips_B_Malroy	is my point	Mar 05 06:42
cubezzz	now that I'm older I'm a lot more careful	Mar 05 06:42
Chips_B_Malroy	those who are not, fail first	Mar 05 06:42
Chips_B_Malroy	would you not agree?	Mar 05 06:42
cubezzz	I used to spent way too much on eating out	Mar 05 06:43
cubezzz	yeah, but people learn by experience	Mar 05 06:43
cubezzz	you can live on less	Mar 05 06:43
Chips_B_Malroy	not everyone	Mar 05 06:43
DaemonFC	not always	Mar 05 06:43
DaemonFC	yeah	Mar 05 06:43
cubezzz	for example, I buy a lot of dry goods	Mar 05 06:44
cubezzz	it lasts a lot time, and it's easy to cook	Mar 05 06:44
cubezzz	I don't buy $5 hot chocolates from Starbucks :)	Mar 05 06:44
cubezzz	people are too materialist	Mar 05 06:45
cubezzz	not happy unless they have tons of $$$	Mar 05 06:45
cubezzz	even then... they still aren't really happy	Mar 05 06:45
Chips_B_Malroy	so this depression started with the price of gas being so high for a long time. then and only when the less capable, maxed out credit cards, defaulted on home loans, did this rescession start. It was caused by greed from oil companies and rich people, and cartels	Mar 05 06:45
cubezzz	people are overweight and driving around in cars all the time	Mar 05 06:46
cubezzz	it's time for a change :)	Mar 05 06:46
Chips_B_Malroy	you, cubezzz, are like most of us, better with your money	Mar 05 06:46
cubezzz	most people living in a major city can live without a car	Mar 05 06:47
Chips_B_Malroy	I walk mostly, or ride a bike	Mar 05 06:47
cubezzz	excellent :)	Mar 05 06:47
Chips_B_Malroy	for exercise	Mar 05 06:47
Chips_B_Malroy	but that is beside the point, the point was what caused this depression	Mar 05 06:47
Chips_B_Malroy	something had to push the marginal over the edge	Mar 05 06:48
cubezzz	well...	Mar 05 06:48
Chips_B_Malroy	it was the price of gas	Mar 05 06:48
Chips_B_Malroy	took awhile but go there	Mar 05 06:48
cubezzz	you may want to study the Great Depression	Mar 05 06:48
Chips_B_Malroy	i have	Mar 05 06:48
cubezzz	there are some similarities to the current situation	Mar 05 06:48
Chips_B_Malroy	but consider this	Mar 05 06:49
Chips_B_Malroy	yes	Mar 05 06:49
Chips_B_Malroy	the underlieing causes of this depression are not the banks	Mar 05 06:49
Chips_B_Malroy	but the price of fuel	Mar 05 06:49
cubezzz	eventually 1873–96 was also a Depression	Mar 05 06:49
cubezzz	and no cars :)	Mar 05 06:50
Chips_B_Malroy	and as soon as the economy recovers, if it does, greed will too	Mar 05 06:50
cubezzz	all the more reason to avoid the car more	Mar 05 06:50
Chips_B_Malroy	yes, fossel fuels will run out, But that is also a load of short term BS as well	Mar 05 06:50
Chips_B_Malroy	money is changing hands here, more corporate raiders	Mar 05 06:51
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_2000s_recession	Mar 05 06:51
Chips_B_Malroy	yes, we need to be more efficenct	Mar 05 06:51
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Chips_B_Malroy	?	Mar 05 06:51
Chips_B_Malroy	do you disagree?	Mar 05 06:52
cubezzz	even better:	Mar 05 06:52
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%932010	Mar 05 06:52
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Chips_B_Malroy	its not about the banks	Mar 05 06:52
Chips_B_Malroy	its about the people	Mar 05 06:52
cubezzz	yes, I view Corporations with a lot of skepticism	Mar 05 06:52
Chips_B_Malroy	that failed on their mortgage payment and why they did so	Mar 05 06:53
cubezzz	Chips_B_Malroy, you can't dismiss the Predatory lending by the banks...	Mar 05 06:53
cubezzz	it's a big problem	Mar 05 06:53
Chips_B_Malroy	not , I cannot	Mar 05 06:53
Chips_B_Malroy	it was part of the problem	Mar 05 06:53
cubezzz	watch the money lenders carefully	Mar 05 06:54
Chips_B_Malroy	but it was partly already failing too before that	Mar 05 06:54
cubezzz	"Former employees from Ameriquest, which was United States's leading wholesale lender,[42] described a system in which they were pushed to falsify mortgage documents and then sell the mortgages to Wall Street banks eager to make fast profits"	Mar 05 06:54
cubezzz	Fossil fuel prices go up but... it's not like we didn't see it coming	Mar 05 06:54
Chips_B_Malroy	the banking industry thought they could squeeze more in time	Mar 05 06:54
Chips_B_Malroy	we did not	Mar 05 06:55
cubezzz	well I did :)	Mar 05 06:55
Chips_B_Malroy	well, u and I did	Mar 05 06:55
cubezzz	no major oil fields since the 1970s?	Mar 05 06:55
cubezzz	what did people think would happen?	Mar 05 06:55
Chips_B_Malroy	but not those who wanted to sell there sole to the devil to buy that first house	Mar 05 06:55
Chips_B_Malroy	*soul	Mar 05 06:56
cubezzz	think about the Amish	Mar 05 06:57
cubezzz	they live without cars	Mar 05 06:57
cubezzz	it's just people are thinking so narrowly	Mar 05 06:57
cubezzz	buy stuff (like food) from the closest places	Mar 05 06:58
cubezzz	the 100 mile (kilometer) challenge	Mar 05 06:58
Chips_B_Malroy	hehe	Mar 05 06:58
DaemonFC	hmmmm, AWN is nice	Mar 05 06:58
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_of_Gas#Average_gasoline_prices_around_the_world	Mar 05 06:58
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Chips_B_Malroy	I only go a very few miles away	Mar 05 06:58
Chips_B_Malroy	the crisis will not be solved	Mar 05 06:59
cubezzz	wow, Algeria is cheap :)	Mar 05 06:59
Chips_B_Malroy	until the fuel situation is	Mar 05 06:59
cubezzz	there's a huge variation in gas prices around the world	Mar 05 06:59
cubezzz	USA seems really expensive	Mar 05 06:59
Chips_B_Malroy	we cannot be dependant on those who control the price	Mar 05 06:59
Chips_B_Malroy	either in canada or usa	Mar 05 07:00
cubezzz	$5 per gallon?	Mar 05 07:00
cubezzz	United States 0.708 2.68 $2.68/US gallon	Mar 05 07:00
Chips_B_Malroy	free market is not working in fuel prices no longer	Mar 05 07:00
cubezzz	it's not really $5 per gallon is it?	Mar 05 07:00
cubezzz	Netherlands is just crazy high	Mar 05 07:01
cubezzz	Netherlands 2.09 7.91	Mar 05 07:01
Chips_B_Malroy	media is controled by same corps that control fuel selling, and by those who sell to the fuel companies	Mar 05 07:01
cubezzz	Turkey is $9 per gallon :)	Mar 05 07:02
cubezzz	19 cents per gallon in Venezuela	Mar 05 07:03
Chips_B_Malroy	Cubezzz> ok, let me ask you. If you accept that we are now in the worse depression since the Great Depression, what should we be paying for the price of gas? Being there is right now a surplus, and a glut of gas on the market?	Mar 05 07:03
cubezzz	well, if we go by 1970's prices and adjust for inflation it would be around $2 per gallon	Mar 05 07:05
cubezzz	seems reasonable	Mar 05 07:05
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cubezzz	if you go back to the 1920's prices and adjust for inflation the price would be $3 per gallon	Mar 05 07:06
Chips_B_Malroy	If it was truely a free market, I would say $1.00 a gallon, about up to 70 cents of that here in taxes. But its not. In the middle of the worst depresssion since 1927 fuel prices are $2.61 a gallon here. Monopolies, raiders, blame whoever, but its greed. do the green thing later, Which btw I agreee with you on that, conserving.	Mar 05 07:06
cubezzz	then for some reason the price spiked up after 2003	Mar 05 07:06
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Chips_B_Malroy	greed	Mar 05 07:07
cubezzz	well the easy to find gas is decreasing	Mar 05 07:07
Chips_B_Malroy	oil companies reeping massive profits	Mar 05 07:07
cubezzz	that's not about greed, it's just harder to find	Mar 05 07:07
Chips_B_Malroy	cartel countries as well, but poor in those countries getting poorer	Mar 05 07:08
Chips_B_Malroy	the rich gettting richer	Mar 05 07:08
Chips_B_Malroy	the Icahn/Singer/ Gates/Ballmer types	Mar 05 07:09
Chips_B_Malroy	users/abusers	Mar 05 07:09
Chips_B_Malroy	exploiters	Mar 05 07:09
cubezzz	yeah greed is probably the single biggest problem of humans	Mar 05 07:09
cubezzz	people who have tons of money and still wanting more	Mar 05 07:09
Chips_B_Malroy	thank you for agreeing	Mar 05 07:09
DaemonFC	uggh	Mar 05 07:09
cubezzz	it's not rational	Mar 05 07:09
DaemonFC	they switched the maximize minimize buttons for no reason?	Mar 05 07:09
Chips_B_Malroy	its all about the oil, its all about the software, its all about the music	Mar 05 07:10
Chips_B_Malroy	follow the money first	Mar 05 07:10
Chips_B_Malroy	the media lies, constantly	Mar 05 07:11
cubezzz	I feel software is something I can do something about	Mar 05 07:11
Chips_B_Malroy	but now, they have crushed the middle class.	Mar 05 07:11
cubezzz	the price of gas, price of food, I have very limited control	Mar 05 07:12
Chips_B_Malroy	their greed became too much	Mar 05 07:12
Chips_B_Malroy	you too?	Mar 05 07:12
cubezzz	I've become a smarter shopper though	Mar 05 07:12
cubezzz	so I have _some_ control	Mar 05 07:12
Chips_B_Malroy	and they have less to squeeze	Mar 05 07:12
Chips_B_Malroy	watch MS start to go after more on more	Mar 05 07:13
Chips_B_Malroy	greed knows no bounds ( a clich from somehwhere)	Mar 05 07:13
DaemonFC	THEY SWITCHED the minimize/maximize buttons!	Mar 05 07:14
DaemonFC	For no reason!	Mar 05 07:15
Chips_B_Malroy	cubezzz> you right, we can do something about software, run GNIU	Mar 05 07:15
Chips_B_Malroy	*GN	Mar 05 07:15
Chips_B_Malroy	U	Mar 05 07:15
Chips_B_Malroy	Wow, DaemonFC, you still runing Ubuntu, after all this time, I impressed. how many hours now?	Mar 05 07:16
Diablo-D3	URRAAAAAARGH	Mar 05 07:16
*Diablo-D3 diablosmashes.		Mar 05 07:16
Chips_B_Malroy	mostly it never found all the hardware for me	Mar 05 07:16
DaemonFC	they used a gconf setting to do this	Mar 05 07:17
Chips_B_Malroy	but it got better with the hardware, (thanks to Linux and the kernel team)	Mar 05 07:17
DaemonFC	I edited it to minimize,maximize,close	Mar 05 07:18
DaemonFC	they have it set maximize,minimize,close	Mar 05 07:18
DaemonFC	which is fucktarded	Mar 05 07:18
Chips_B_Malroy	I give yo usix weeks, max	Mar 05 07:18
Diablo-D3	so its...	Mar 05 07:18
Diablo-D3	osx?	Mar 05 07:18
DaemonFC	totally completely fucktarded	Mar 05 07:18
Chips_B_Malroy	he lasted what, four on Seven?	Mar 05 07:18
Chips_B_Malroy	which truely truely suxed	Mar 05 07:19
Chips_B_Malroy	so how is Bing, whoops, I mean Yahoo?	Mar 05 07:19
Chips_B_Malroy	No, its the same thing, isn't it.	Mar 05 07:20
Diablo-D3	yeah basically	Mar 05 07:20
Diablo-D3	Chips_B_Malroy: actually its funny	Mar 05 07:20
Diablo-D3	bing uses yahoo, the search engine	Mar 05 07:20
Diablo-D3	yahoo fills requests using bing	Mar 05 07:20
Diablo-D3	so its.... some sort of shit sandwich, filled with fail and aids.	Mar 05 07:21
Chips_B_Malroy	Diaio-D3> as for the morph Yahoo/Bing/MSN/Kumoo/Whatever/MSRETARDEDNAME its just a differnet name.	Mar 05 07:22
Chips_B_Malroy	the name was change to protect the guilty (MS/Gates/Ballmer)	Mar 05 07:23
Chips_B_Malroy	scumbags all	Mar 05 07:23
Chips_B_Malroy	with their raider friends	Mar 05 07:23
Diablo-D3	Chips_B_Malroy: its not a name change	Mar 05 07:23
Diablo-D3	bing doesnt use the msn engine	Mar 05 07:23
Diablo-D3	it uses the yahoo engine	Mar 05 07:24
Diablo-D3	because the msn engine was so entirely shit	Mar 05 07:24
Chips_B_Malroy	as in? its not Bing whatever underneath?	Mar 05 07:24
Diablo-D3	msn changed it's name to bing	Mar 05 07:24
Diablo-D3	and then they dropped msn's own engine for yahoo's instead	Mar 05 07:24
DaemonFC	"they should render fonts backwards too to enhance readability"	Mar 05 07:25
DaemonFC	me in the #ubuntu-devel room	Mar 05 07:25
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: hey thats a great idea	Mar 05 07:25
Chips_B_Malroy	I so confused, but isn't that what M$ wants to confuse us? and make us thing this is a completely new search engine from the "Ground up."?	Mar 05 07:25
*Diablo-D3 turns that on		Mar 05 07:25
Diablo-D3	Chips_B_Malroy: they did make one from the ground up	Mar 05 07:25
Diablo-D3	that was msn	Mar 05 07:25
Diablo-D3	it was a complete and utter failure	Mar 05 07:26
Diablo-D3	so they just used yahoo's instead	Mar 05 07:26
Chips_B_Malroy	*think	Mar 05 07:26
Chips_B_Malroy	you mean MSN and Bing and Windows Live and now Yanghoo, is not the same thing?	Mar 05 07:27
Diablo-D3	Chips_B_Malroy: lets try this again	Mar 05 07:27
Chips_B_Malroy	oh, its not Yanghoo anymore, he left	Mar 05 07:27
Diablo-D3	MSN-site because bing-site	Mar 05 07:27
Diablo-D3	so bing-site used msn-engine	Mar 05 07:27
Chips_B_Malroy	I so confused	Mar 05 07:27
Diablo-D3	but msn-engine sucked, so bing-site uses yahoo-engine	Mar 05 07:27
Chips_B_Malroy	that makes it MSn right?	Mar 05 07:28
Diablo-D3	and now yahoo-site just returns results from bing-site	Mar 05 07:28
Diablo-D3	Chips_B_Malroy: no, it means msn is quite dead.	Mar 05 07:28
Chips_B_Malroy	no its not yahoo engine	Mar 05 07:28
Diablo-D3	yup, its the yahoo engine	Mar 05 07:28
Chips_B_Malroy	its ms	Mar 05 07:28
Diablo-D3	microsoft and yahoo covered it both up.	Mar 05 07:28
Chips_B_Malroy	wrong	Mar 05 07:28
Diablo-D3	yup, trust me on this	Mar 05 07:28
Chips_B_Malroy	wrong	Mar 05 07:28
Chips_B_Malroy	it ms	Mar 05 07:29
Chips_B_Malroy	read the terms again	Mar 05 07:29
Diablo-D3	nope, trust me	Mar 05 07:29
Diablo-D3	its very much yahoo's engine	Mar 05 07:29
Diablo-D3	its not yahoo's dataset, and microsoft has really customized how the results work	Mar 05 07:29
Chips_B_Malroy	you right, it shobrianuld have been yahoo search engine if Ballmer had had a	Mar 05 07:30
Chips_B_Malroy	brian	Mar 05 07:30
Diablo-D3	english please	Mar 05 07:30
Chips_B_Malroy	brain	Mar 05 07:30
Chips_B_Malroy	but its really really ms MSN/Windows Live/Bing behind Yahoo	Mar 05 07:31
Chips_B_Malroy	you can check it out	Mar 05 07:31
Chips_B_Malroy	Ballmer is about control, just like master he learned from	Mar 05 07:32
Chips_B_Malroy	MS kept the Yahoo name, well, how about because Yahoo search still got some respect	Mar 05 07:33
Diablo-D3	nope	Mar 05 07:33
Chips_B_Malroy	it wasn't as good as google, but it was honest	Mar 05 07:33
Diablo-D3	they actually covered up yahoo involvement	Mar 05 07:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] #jonobacon What's with the incorrect minimize/maximize order? That's not going to go over well. Will Lucid render fonts backward too?		Mar 05 07:33
Chips_B_Malroy	they tried	Mar 05 07:33
Diablo-D3	they tried, yes	Mar 05 07:34
Diablo-D3	but you fell for it	Mar 05 07:34
Diablo-D3	hook line and sinker	Mar 05 07:34
Chips_B_Malroy	DaemonFC> I for one be glad when you move on to other distro. But truely, you time with Windows was mostl annoining. More for you I would imagine.	Mar 05 07:35
DaemonFC	yeah, well what enabled me to switch back was a pulseaudio patch actually	Mar 05 07:36
DaemonFC	something I couldn't do without pulseaudio, but pulseaudio wasn't doing it right	Mar 05 07:36
Chips_B_Malroy	DaemonFC> your pics, I seen, Ubuntu desktop looks clean as always	Mar 05 07:36
Diablo-D3	^ proof DaemonFC is a nutjob	Mar 05 07:36
DaemonFC	what is?	Mar 05 07:37
Chips_B_Malroy	Diablo-D3> not really, this guy knows stuff	Mar 05 07:37
Chips_B_Malroy	as do you	Mar 05 07:37
Chips_B_Malroy	I respect knownledge	Mar 05 07:37
Diablo-D3	he likes pulseaudio	Mar 05 07:38
*Diablo-D3 wont have the shit on his machine		Mar 05 07:38
Chips_B_Malroy	from both of you	Mar 05 07:38
Chips_B_Malroy	my opinion is, I am willing to listen, if he doesn'ttry to sell me on Gatesware	Mar 05 07:39
Chips_B_Malroy	once he crosses that line, I am out of here, mostly	Mar 05 07:39
Diablo-D3	Chips_B_Malroy: DUDE	Mar 05 07:39
Diablo-D3	WINDOWS 7 IS SO AWESOME	Mar 05 07:40
Diablo-D3	LIKE, I OPENED THE BOX	Mar 05 07:40
Chips_B_Malroy	mostly i think he has learned	Mar 05 07:40
Diablo-D3	AND A WOMAN POPPED OUT	Mar 05 07:40
Diablo-D3	AND SHE IMMEDIATELY STARTED SUCKING MY DICK	Mar 05 07:40
Chips_B_Malroy	hehe	Mar 05 07:40
Diablo-D3	THATS HOW AWESOME 7 IS	Mar 05 07:40
Chips_B_Malroy	well, Seven does sux	Mar 05 07:40
Diablo-D3	UGGGH SHE CAN SUCK THE CHROME OFF A MUFFLER	Mar 05 07:41
Chips_B_Malroy	to be honest	Mar 05 07:41
Chips_B_Malroy	I stopped at XP	Mar 05 07:41
Diablo-D3	now, only if she could suck the chrome off a google	Mar 05 07:41
Diablo-D3	doooohohohohohohohohoho	Mar 05 07:41
Chips_B_Malroy	but I continued to fix computers including Vista	Mar 05 07:41
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Chips_B_Malroy	then, I just got so fed up with the windows b******t, that I refused to fix any windows machine	Mar 05 07:42
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Chips_B_Malroy	but I was good at it	Mar 05 07:43
Chips_B_Malroy	my take, if you using windows, ***********	Mar 05 07:43
DaemonFC	http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3448/screenshotlh.png	Mar 05 07:43
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DaemonFC	how's that? :)	Mar 05 07:43
DaemonFC	NOW it's a Mac :P	Mar 05 07:44
Chips_B_Malroy	its better DaemonFC	Mar 05 07:44
Chips_B_Malroy	DaemonFC> how about posting how you did that on the Ubuntu forums and lets see if you get banned?	Mar 05 07:45
DaemonFC	hah	Mar 05 07:45
DaemonFC	probably wouldn't	Mar 05 07:45
Chips_B_Malroy	Google is my home page too	Mar 05 07:45
Chips_B_Malroy	scared?	Mar 05 07:45
DaemonFC	http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1626/screenshottf.png	Mar 05 07:46
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DaemonFC	that's better	Mar 05 07:46
Chips_B_Malroy	ok fair enough, wait awhile till you done with your evaluation	Mar 05 07:46
DaemonFC	no preferences icon hogging space	Mar 05 07:46
Chips_B_Malroy	I just like to see if they will still ban you. Be ever so nice when you do it.	Mar 05 07:47
Chips_B_Malroy	and please, keep us informed	Mar 05 07:49
Chips_B_Malroy	Myself, i going with Sidux, its based on real Debian	Mar 05 07:49
Chips_B_Malroy	I do give jono some points, that he was even willing to talk to me	Mar 05 07:52
Omar87	Hi all.	Mar 05 07:52
Chips_B_Malroy	Hey Omar	Mar 05 07:52
Chips_B_Malroy	Whatever happend to the one from Morroco?	Mar 05 07:54
Chips_B_Malroy	or Twitter?	Mar 05 07:54
Chips_B_Malroy	the guy that posted on slashdot	Mar 05 07:55
DaemonFC	Chips_B_Malroy, http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/737/screenshotocu.png	Mar 05 07:55
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Chips_B_Malroy	well, DaemonFc, if looked more and more like Mac Tiger, your last link	Mar 05 07:56
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Chips_B_Malroy	but even Seven, which I refuse to try, might look like that	Mar 05 07:57
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Chips_B_Malroy	its not what it looks like, but how it runs, isn't it?	Mar 05 07:58
DaemonFC	reasonably well actually	Mar 05 07:58
Chips_B_Malroy	how many problems you have, how easy it is to setup?	Mar 05 07:58
Chips_B_Malroy	DaemonFC> I do believe you	Mar 05 07:59
Chips_B_Malroy	but lets wait awhile	Mar 05 07:59
DaemonFC	Avant really does do a good job filling in for the OS X dock	Mar 05 07:59
Chips_B_Malroy	barring any free laptops from Jono, hehe, just a joke, we both know they would not do that.	Mar 05 08:00
DaemonFC	Chips_B_Malroy, Not hard	Mar 05 08:00
Chips_B_Malroy	But MS would!	Mar 05 08:00
Chips_B_Malroy	Again, i believe you, as I know this already	Mar 05 08:01
Chips_B_Malroy	most of the distro's have all got a lot easier lately	Mar 05 08:01
Chips_B_Malroy	they easier than windows	Mar 05 08:01
Chips_B_Malroy	Windows, not matter how hard and how long you learn it, there is always a trojan that will creep in and destroy it	Mar 05 08:03
Diablo-D3	TROOOOJAN MAAAAAAAAAAN	Mar 05 08:03
DaemonFC	http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/596/screenshotnq.png	Mar 05 08:04
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Chips_B_Malroy	malware	Mar 05 08:04
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 05 08:04
Chips_B_Malroy	truth is, all windows users are scared to death of malware	Mar 05 08:04
Chips_B_Malroy	as they should be	Mar 05 08:05
Chips_B_Malroy	But Bill, he doesn't care, as he sits back in one of his mansions, probably running a MAC	Mar 05 08:06
Chips_B_Malroy	every seen some of the early vids of Gates with Macs in the background?	Mar 05 08:07
Chips_B_Malroy	Its not that Macs are better than Linux(they are not!) its that MS was not better than Mac back then	Mar 05 08:08
Chips_B_Malroy	I really doubt that Gates or most MS personal uses Windows Seven or Vista	Mar 05 08:09
Chips_B_Malroy	one out off two? malware? well a couple of years ago, I posted links that 80% of windows users were infected	Mar 05 08:11
Chips_B_Malroy	and they still hound me to clean up their windows machines	Mar 05 08:11
Chips_B_Malroy	watch the money people, Novell is about 90	Mar 05 08:13
Chips_B_Malroy	percent, that its goning change hans	Mar 05 08:14
Chips_B_Malroy	*hands	Mar 05 08:14
DaemonFC	http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/287/linux05fl5.jpg	Mar 05 08:14
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DaemonFC	:)	Mar 05 08:14
Chips_B_Malroy	who is going make money? Probably the raider	Mar 05 08:14
Chips_B_Malroy	change is happening	Mar 05 08:15
DaemonFC	Mandriva is now spamming me for speakers	Mar 05 08:16
DaemonFC	nice	Mar 05 08:16
Chips_B_Malroy	GNU/Linux is happening. No matter what Gates and company says. so we are goingsee some companies move, Maybe even Ubuntu.	Mar 05 08:16
DaemonFC	there's going to be an $85 netbook this year that runs Windows CE apparently	Mar 05 08:26
DaemonFC	http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/03/coby-85-smartbook-feels-like-a-hundred-bucks-hands-on/	Mar 05 08:28
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DaemonFC	what are people going to browse with? IE?	Mar 05 08:28
DaemonFC	that'll be craptacular	Mar 05 08:28
DaemonFC	wonder what the CPU is	Mar 05 08:29
DaemonFC	Marvell PXA303	Mar 05 08:30
DaemonFC	is that x86?	Mar 05 08:30
Chips_B_Malroy	comeon if its windows CE on ARM, it has to be Internet Exploder, doesn't it?	Mar 05 08:31
Chips_B_Malroy	what else would MS let you be lock in with?	Mar 05 08:32
DaemonFC	XScale	Mar 05 08:33
DaemonFC	http://www.marvell.com/products/processors/applications/pxa_3xx/PXA3xx_EMTS.pdf	Mar 05 08:33
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DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XScale	Mar 05 08:33
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DaemonFC	ARM	Mar 05 08:33
DaemonFC	heh	Mar 05 08:33
Chips_B_Malroy	made to look like XP, did you notice that DaemonFC? just a wallpaper change, lol	Mar 05 08:35
DaemonFC	yeah	Mar 05 08:35
DaemonFC	nasty surprise when you get home	Mar 05 08:35
DaemonFC	can't even put Firefox on the fucking thing	Mar 05 08:35
Chips_B_Malroy	major	Mar 05 08:35
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 05 08:35
DaemonFC	what a piece of crap	Mar 05 08:35
DaemonFC	they should pay you to take it	Mar 05 08:36
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: um dude	Mar 05 08:36
Diablo-D3	lets be fair	Mar 05 08:36
DaemonFC	to CE?	Mar 05 08:36
Diablo-D3	that $85 smartbook runs android	Mar 05 08:36
Chips_B_Malroy	its going totally sux, unless you can put something else on it but MS that works	Mar 05 08:36
Diablo-D3	almost everything that runs android can also run ce	Mar 05 08:36
DaemonFC	The people that are selling WinCE should die in a fire	Mar 05 08:36
DaemonFC	how do they sleep at night? :P	Mar 05 08:36
Diablo-D3	dont blame the vendor	Mar 05 08:37
Diablo-D3	blame microsoft for making a phone OS	Mar 05 08:37
DaemonFC	holy shit	Mar 05 08:37
DaemonFC	no, I'm going to blame the vendor	Mar 05 08:37
DaemonFC	here's why	Mar 05 08:37
DaemonFC	Linux runs on ARM and is a hell of a lot more useful	Mar 05 08:37
Diablo-D3	because there was a call for winmo smartbooks, and they decided to make money with it?	Mar 05 08:37
Chips_B_Malroy	I blame Bill, if his krap came on it	Mar 05 08:37
DaemonFC	Diablo-D3, If I see someone show that Linux can run on it and how to do it, I might buy one	Mar 05 08:38
Chips_B_Malroy	but if something else will run on it?	Mar 05 08:38
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: uh, what?	Mar 05 08:38
DaemonFC	I'm not getting stuck with WinCE at any price	Mar 05 08:38
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: rtfa	Mar 05 08:38
Diablo-D3	they're ALSO shipping it with android!	Mar 05 08:38
Chips_B_Malroy	me either	Mar 05 08:38
DaemonFC	is there a way for me to install that easily?	Mar 05 08:38
DaemonFC	or do you mean Coby is?	Mar 05 08:38
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: yes you PURCHASE IT WITH IT ALREADY ON IT	Mar 05 08:39
Diablo-D3	yes, Coby is	Mar 05 08:39
DaemonFC	sorry, late, took a second to read that :P	Mar 05 08:39
DaemonFC	hmmm	Mar 05 08:39
Diablo-D3	and most likely, the wince ones will only sell in asia	Mar 05 08:39
Diablo-D3	and thats most likely why they exist	Mar 05 08:39
Diablo-D3	android is huge in the US	Mar 05 08:39
Diablo-D3	its "bigger" than linux (ie, most people dont realize its linux, etc etc)	Mar 05 08:40
Chips_B_Malroy	but, for me, I really, even hate to give MS even $5	Mar 05 08:40
Diablo-D3	Chips_B_Malroy: then dont buy the CE model	Mar 05 08:40
Chips_B_Malroy	its just not righ to feed them	Mar 05 08:40
Diablo-D3	its no different then phones	Mar 05 08:40
Diablo-D3	a lot of phones you can buy with winmo or android, or winmo and something else	Mar 05 08:40
Diablo-D3	dont like microsoft? dont buy the winmo version.	Mar 05 08:41
Chips_B_Malroy	which I refused, as well as intel laptops	Mar 05 08:41
Chips_B_Malroy	well, I don't	Mar 05 08:41
Diablo-D3	I mean	Mar 05 08:41
Diablo-D3	you guys are fucking assholes sometimes	Mar 05 08:41
Diablo-D3	DURR HURR I WANT CHOICE	Mar 05 08:41
Diablo-D3	you get choice	Mar 05 08:41
Diablo-D3	DURR HURR WHY IS MICROSOFT SILL A CHOICE	Mar 05 08:41
Chips_B_Malroy	I had to buy used laptops off of ebay to not pay MS	Mar 05 08:41
Chips_B_Malroy	that much I refuse to give them money	Mar 05 08:42
Diablo-D3	and you know what	Mar 05 08:42
Diablo-D3	if winmo wasnt a pile of shit	Mar 05 08:42
Diablo-D3	I wouldnt care	Mar 05 08:42
Chips_B_Malroy	winmo, its history	Mar 05 08:43
DaemonFC	http://www.speedtrap.org/	Mar 05 08:43
DaemonFC	heh	Mar 05 08:43
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Diablo-D3	surprising	Mar 05 08:44
Diablo-D3	there are no speed traps in my town	Mar 05 08:44
Diablo-D3	<3 local cops	Mar 05 08:44
Chips_B_Malroy	DaemonFC> interesting	Mar 05 08:45
Chips_B_Malroy	did not have to go far on your list (link) to see some	Mar 05 08:48
DaemonFC	have to be careful here, the town is $750,000 under budget so far this fiscal year	Mar 05 08:49
DaemonFC	they're giving tickets left and right	Mar 05 08:50
Chips_B_Malroy	I very careful but I getting old now too, so maybe too careful, many of these lights change too fast, as if they are designed to increased fines	Mar 05 08:50
Chips_B_Malroy	point, its a tax	Mar 05 08:50
Chips_B_Malroy	Diabio> you in new england or new york? I could buy that not traps there	Mar 05 08:52
DaemonFC	I got some spray for my mom's license plate	Mar 05 08:52
DaemonFC	makes the plate to where you can read it like nothing is on it, but all the cameras see is a flash of light	Mar 05 08:52
Chips_B_Malroy	One thing I noticed, the lights, they are not consistant here	Mar 05 08:53
DaemonFC	they do that in Fort Wayne	Mar 05 08:53
DaemonFC	then snap your picture	Mar 05 08:53
DaemonFC	mail you the ticket	Mar 05 08:53
Chips_B_Malroy	the turn signal lights, are differnet, put in different areas as well	Mar 05 08:53
Chips_B_Malroy	differnet timing speeds	Mar 05 08:54
Chips_B_Malroy	its just anothe obsence tax	Mar 05 08:54
Chips_B_Malroy	they have not nailed me yet, but I believe in time they will get everyone. Its what its about, extracting more money	Mar 05 08:55
Chips_B_Malroy	I very careful, but the lights, they force you to greatly speed up of hit the brakes, because the timing is cheated now	Mar 05 08:57
Chips_B_Malroy	its greed again	Mar 05 08:58
DaemonFC	yeah, they put a new tax on drive thru	Mar 05 08:58
DaemonFC	locally	Mar 05 08:58
DaemonFC	so I park the car and go in	Mar 05 08:58
DaemonFC	it's not a huge tax, I just won't pay it	Mar 05 08:58
Chips_B_Malroy	most people will not belive me until they have to pay	Mar 05 08:58
DaemonFC	I want this town to be broke	Mar 05 08:58
DaemonFC	I want them to cut the fat before asking for more taxes	Mar 05 08:58
Chips_B_Malroy	they will never do that	Mar 05 08:59
DaemonFC	they're going to	Mar 05 08:59
Chips_B_Malroy	how long have you lived in this country?	Mar 05 08:59
DaemonFC	if they wouldn't have given Walmart property tax amnesty for 10 years, they wouldn't nearly as far over budget	Mar 05 09:00
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 05 09:00
DaemonFC	fuckers	Mar 05 09:00
Chips_B_Malroy	all my life, and I am old, I never seen the gov, any gov cut back	Mar 05 09:00
DaemonFC	same for that Christian university	Mar 05 09:00
DaemonFC	tax the living hell out of them	Mar 05 09:00
Chips_B_Malroy	not going happen	Mar 05 09:00
DaemonFC	I said earlier they're going to fire like 10 police officers	Mar 05 09:01
DaemonFC	and cut some local government jobs	Mar 05 09:01
Chips_B_Malroy	?????????????	Mar 05 09:01
Chips_B_Malroy	cops are the last to go	Mar 05 09:01
DaemonFC	yeah, no more take home cars for the rest of the cops either	Mar 05 09:01
DaemonFC	and they're getting their health insurance premiums hiked	Mar 05 09:01
DaemonFC	I know	Mar 05 09:01
DaemonFC	that's why I know it's serious	Mar 05 09:02
DaemonFC	they're talking seriously about firing the cops	Mar 05 09:02
Chips_B_Malroy	when the gov gives up on cops, its a sign we are really in trouble, as in we broke	Mar 05 09:02
DaemonFC	no money to pay them with	Mar 05 09:02
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 05 09:02
Chips_B_Malroy	they will even fire teachers first	Mar 05 09:02
DaemonFC	can't	Mar 05 09:02
DaemonFC	teachers union	Mar 05 09:02
Chips_B_Malroy	have they done that yet?	Mar 05 09:03
DaemonFC	they have to wait for them to retire	Mar 05 09:03
DaemonFC	or buyout their contract	Mar 05 09:03
Chips_B_Malroy	could be	Mar 05 09:03
DaemonFC	no, they said there's a hiring freeze	Mar 05 09:03
Chips_B_Malroy	there	Mar 05 09:03
DaemonFC	retiring teachers won't be replaced	Mar 05 09:03
DaemonFC	I'm not too worried about a hiring freeze in the local government	Mar 05 09:04
Chips_B_Malroy	Calif, going be lots of teachers gone soon, big trouble there	Mar 05 09:04
DaemonFC	the only people that get those jobs are the families of local politicians anyway	Mar 05 09:04
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 05 09:04
DaemonFC	nepotism	Mar 05 09:04
Chips_B_Malroy	yours is town or city	Mar 05 09:04
Chips_B_Malroy	there's is state	Mar 05 09:04
DaemonFC	incorporated as a city	Mar 05 09:04
Chips_B_Malroy	its about to happen here too	Mar 05 09:04
Chips_B_Malroy	mostly state going to 4 day work weeks	Mar 05 09:05
DaemonFC	the mayor called everyone who disagrees with him a "little Taliban"	Mar 05 09:05
DaemonFC	who should "just leave"	Mar 05 09:05
DaemonFC	our mayor is an idiot	Mar 05 09:05
Chips_B_Malroy	nice guy	Mar 05 09:05
DaemonFC	telling his tax base to leave	Mar 05 09:06
DaemonFC	that's funny	Mar 05 09:06
Chips_B_Malroy	mostly,, the local gov, is corrupt too	Mar 05 09:06
Chips_B_Malroy	even in small towns	Mar 05 09:06
Chips_B_Malroy	I noticed	Mar 05 09:06
DaemonFC	oh I know it's corrupt	Mar 05 09:06
DaemonFC	the funny thing is that Indiana has Townships too	Mar 05 09:07
Chips_B_Malroy	that only people who ran, where mostly large homebuilders	Mar 05 09:07
DaemonFC	so a town or city is actually multiple Townships	Mar 05 09:07
Chips_B_Malroy	its all about money	Mar 05 09:07
DaemonFC	and every one of those has limited government as well	Mar 05 09:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @techdirt: Ubisoft's Annoying New DRM Cracked Within Hours Of Release http://dlvr.it/5jbG		Mar 05 09:07
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DaemonFC	totally duplicative	Mar 05 09:07
Chips_B_Malroy	which sadly, if you read the consititiution, was not what it was about	Mar 05 09:08
DaemonFC	well, the state constitution established those	Mar 05 09:08
Chips_B_Malroy	or should I say, the Bill of Rights	Mar 05 09:08
DaemonFC	but that was in 1816	Mar 05 09:08
DaemonFC	we don't need them now	Mar 05 09:08
DaemonFC	nobody ever rescinded it and now we pay politicians to duplicate things the city and county politicians do already	Mar 05 09:09
Chips_B_Malroy	they had a good idea	Mar 05 09:09
Chips_B_Malroy	but the crooks learned how to defeat that	Mar 05 09:09
Chips_B_Malroy	early on	Mar 05 09:09
DaemonFC	the Republicans and Democrats like to keep townships around	Mar 05 09:10
Chips_B_Malroy	now the singers and cahns, run over the intent of this country	Mar 05 09:10
DaemonFC	training new party members	Mar 05 09:10
Chips_B_Malroy	both parties are absolutely corrupt	Mar 05 09:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @between @tuxbrain loving nanonote!		Mar 05 09:10
Chips_B_Malroy	both	Mar 05 09:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Ainda que Sócrates possa estar inculpável, está certamente rodeado de gente duvidosa. Diz-me com quem andas... dir-te-ei quem és...		Mar 05 09:11
Chips_B_Malroy	you can pick one or two honest men, but if they get elected, most likely they cannot change anything, or worse, they cannot survive their term	Mar 05 09:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Oral question on ACTA in the European Parliament next week (record the video please) Transparency of the ACTA negotiations http://i5.be/azb		Mar 05 09:12
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Diablo-D3	Chips_B_Malroy: I'd rather die a free man	Mar 05 09:13
Chips_B_Malroy	Diablo-D3> I am not a number	Mar 05 09:14
Diablo-D3	no, as of this moment... you're anonymous.	Mar 05 09:14
Chips_B_Malroy	I am a free man	Mar 05 09:14
*Diablo-D3 hands chips a guy fawkes map		Mar 05 09:14
Diablo-D3	er, mask	Mar 05 09:14
Diablo-D3	doh.	Mar 05 09:14
Chips_B_Malroy	maybe, be I am not really that much of an anonymous person	Mar 05 09:15
Chips_B_Malroy	most here know who I am, nobody	Mar 05 09:15
DaemonFC	well, the SSN is ridiculous	Mar 05 09:17
DaemonFC	and yes you are a number	Mar 05 09:17
Diablo-D3	I AM NOT A NUMBER!	Mar 05 09:17
Diablo-D3	I am a bar code. Clearly.	Mar 05 09:17
DaemonFC	and even the phone and cable companies want your SSN now	Mar 05 09:17
DaemonFC	or no service	Mar 05 09:17
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Diablo-D3	HIEL HITLER	Mar 05 09:17
DaemonFC	the SSN is used on everything	Mar 05 09:18
DaemonFC	lots of companies store your SSN on computers running Windows	Mar 05 09:18
DaemonFC	facing the internet	Mar 05 09:18
Diablo-D3	heil satan?	Mar 05 09:19
Chips_B_Malroy	mostly, long time ago I refused to give it out	Mar 05 09:19
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DaemonFC	Diablo-D3, I punched peoples SSN's into a terminal running XP every day for quite some time	Mar 05 09:19
Diablo-D3	HEUL JESUS	Mar 05 09:20
Diablo-D3	no wait, that sounds wrong	Mar 05 09:20
Chips_B_Malroy	refuse to give any OS any information that is not default, mostly, unless linux and u need to setup an lan	Mar 05 09:20
Diablo-D3	HEIL ROY	Mar 05 09:21
Diablo-D3	no, thats even worse	Mar 05 09:21
Diablo-D3	HEIL MYSELF	Mar 05 09:21
Diablo-D3	muuuch better.	Mar 05 09:21
Chips_B_Malroy	linux distro's probably ok, but why take the chance? MS is certainly evil and stores every bit of data	Mar 05 09:22
Diablo-D3	BOW BEFORE XUL	Mar 05 09:22
Diablo-D3	wait	Mar 05 09:23
Diablo-D3	Im doing it wrong	Mar 05 09:23
Diablo-D3	its	Mar 05 09:23
Diablo-D3	THERE IS NO HITLER, ONLY ZUUL	Mar 05 09:23
Diablo-D3	its Gozer you bow before.	Mar 05 09:23
Diablo-D3	and Zod.	Mar 05 09:23
Chips_B_Malroy	so where u from Diabio?	Mar 05 09:24
Chips_B_Malroy	As in which way Gozer?	Mar 05 09:24
Chips_B_Malroy	Firesign Threatre	Mar 05 09:25
Chips_B_Malroy	you got quiet now	Mar 05 09:28
Chips_B_Malroy	don't want to anwser? ok	Mar 05 09:28
DaemonFC	"ZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUL!!!!!" Me: "FUCK!!! That's what happens when you leave pizza leftovers in there for a month!!!"	Mar 05 09:32
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 05 09:33
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DaemonFC	http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8549681.stm	Mar 05 09:52
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DaemonFC	rofl	Mar 05 09:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "93.4% of the statistics recorded only show less than 9.8% of the true number of Linux installations" http://ur1.ca/og03		Mar 05 10:31
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DaemonFC	schestowitz is up already?	Mar 05 11:09
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oiaohm	http://workspace.officelive.com/en-us/FAQ LoL warped read Look at the supported OS's. Ok Linux is not listed. Neither is Windows 2008	Mar 05 11:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox Has New 3D Features, Other Exciting Stuff http://ur1.ca/ogd1 http://ur1.ca/oa3m http://ur1.ca/ogd2		Mar 05 11:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] @DaemonFC We try out all kinds of funky things in each release, some of which don't make the cut. Maybe this is one.		Mar 05 11:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Document Freedom Day Comes Later This Month http://webmink.com/2010/03/02/document-freedom/		Mar 05 11:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @popey This one should be reverted right away IMO. It's a "What possible good can it do?" change. Normal users wont know gconf-editor. ;)		Mar 05 11:22
oiaohm	I missed the big feature in that android land line phone its also a universal remote. If it cheep enough it could be cheeper to buy the phone than by a programable universal remote.	Mar 05 11:23
DaemonFC	oiaohm, They sprung that one on me last night and I was all like "WTF!?!?"	Mar 05 11:24
DaemonFC	"Where did THAT come from?"	Mar 05 11:24
DaemonFC	I almost reported it as a bug until I remembered that this is Ubuntu	Mar 05 11:24
DaemonFC	The make all kinds of GUI changes that nobody likes, and protest only makes it more likely to stay	Mar 05 11:25
oiaohm	I hope meego gets a good foot hold.	Mar 05 11:26
oiaohm	http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/3/4/299 Out come of this is going to be interesting.	Mar 05 11:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Enters More Parts of #Health System http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5975 http://ur1.ca/ogel		Mar 05 11:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What's on #PostgreSQL 's Agenda and What Now for #MySQL http://ur1.ca/oget http://ur1.ca/ogeu		Mar 05 11:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #DRM Fails Again ( #Ubisoft , Audiobooks) http://ur1.ca/ogfs http://ur1.ca/ogfu http://ur1.ca/o4yo		Mar 05 11:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #BSD Magazine Released for March http://ur1.ca/ogfd http://bsdmag.org/		Mar 05 11:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #FreeSoftware Licensing Got Stronger Last Month http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/A-Big-Linuxy-Thank-You-to-Matthew-Katzer-69470.html		Mar 05 11:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lib Dems in the UK Want to Help the #MAFIAA http://ur1.ca/oggf http://ur1.ca/oggg http://ur1.ca/oggh http://ur1.ca/oggj		Mar 05 11:43
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oiaohm	schestowitz: have you read the postgresql agender	Mar 05 11:44
oiaohm	schestowitz: have you read the postgresql agenda	Mar 05 11:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IntellectualMonopolies Go Ever More Insane and Aggressive http://ur1.ca/oggp http://ur1.ca/oggr		Mar 05 11:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] http://bit.ly/cIR29R -What in the HELL is wrong with people? There's already something wrong with you if you play WoW, but jeez...		Mar 05 11:45
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DaemonFC	http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=5987	Mar 05 11:48
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DaemonFC	heh, I was calling the deal Gordon Gekko the other day	Mar 05 11:48
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 05 11:48
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Why would it not be good if Elliot bought Novell, ripped it apart, and auctioned off Suse?	Mar 05 11:50
DaemonFC	Is the buyer going to make a patent deal with Microsoft over Suse?	Mar 05 11:50
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 05 11:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Drupal Founder Warns Against #FogComputing http://ur1.ca/oghk Cloud and open source delivers the goods for publishing services provider		Mar 05 11:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Conspirators Want to Cover #Patents As Well http://techdirt.com/articles/20100303/0128078382.shtml		Mar 05 11:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Pays to Improve Research into #FogComputing http://ur1.ca/oghp http://ur1.ca/oghq		Mar 05 11:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft 's Future is Like Proprietary #Sun 's http://ur1.ca/oghr http://ur1.ca/o8a5		Mar 05 11:52
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schestowitz	oiaohm: what's in it?	Mar 05 11:59
schestowitz	DaemonFC: interesting options...	Mar 05 12:00
oiaohm	postgresql is getting in built replication. schestowitz	Mar 05 12:00
schestowitz	OpenSUSE must be worried	Mar 05 12:00
schestowitz	Their parent company can go bunk	Mar 05 12:01
DaemonFC	I'd like to see them get ripped apart and Suse sold off to someone who has no interest in a patent deal with Microsoft	Mar 05 12:01
DaemonFC	this also means that Mono withers and dies	Mar 05 12:01
DaemonFC	no cash or actual maintainers does that	Mar 05 12:01
oiaohm	Really its not like OpenSUSE is an important distribution.	Mar 05 12:01
oiaohm	Same with SUSE	Mar 05 12:02
oiaohm	Both are fairly much edge of world.	Mar 05 12:02
schestowitz	http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locutus/oh-linux-how-shall-i-count-thy-installs-37290	Mar 05 12:02
schestowitz	"IDC estimated in 2003 that Linux "marketshare" is 3.2%. Next year Microsoft estimated it was 4%. W3schools got 2.4% for Linux in 2003 and 4.6% in feb 2010. So is the real numbers for Linux marketshare in 2010 about 6-7%? "	Mar 05 12:02
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schestowitz	"Well the truth is propably this: In USA Linux is hardly even 2%, in Europe and Latin America Linux may have 7-10%. "	Mar 05 12:02
oiaohm	Linux foundation could be a little busy moving some of the core developers.	Mar 05 12:02
schestowitz	Novell didn't 'donate' to SUSE either	Mar 05 12:03
schestowitz	They broke even	Mar 05 12:03
oiaohm	But there are enough companies out there to take up the important developers from Novell	Mar 05 12:03
schestowitz	So this business could be relocated	Mar 05 12:03
schestowitz	oiaohm: userbase also	Mar 05 12:03
schestowitz	brb gotta do some posts	Mar 05 12:03
oiaohm	Really distrobutions die all the time.	Mar 05 12:05
oiaohm	So death is nothing strange.	Mar 05 12:05
oiaohm	Users move on.	Mar 05 12:05
oiaohm	The result is normally a stronger Linux. As ideas get moved around.	Mar 05 12:06
DaemonFC	they may have a shareholder revolt on their hands to	Mar 05 12:09
DaemonFC	*too	Mar 05 12:09
oiaohm	Really the hostile take over attempt is a shareholder revolt just of the worse kind.	Mar 05 12:16
oiaohm	That reaper has been a share holder in novell for the long time.	Mar 05 12:16
DaemonFC	8.5%	Mar 05 12:18
oiaohm	Remember 51 percent is all a hostile has to get to be able to take the rest by force.	Mar 05 12:19
DaemonFC	yeah	Mar 05 12:22
oiaohm	8.5 is quite a decent starting point for a hostile	Mar 05 12:22
DaemonFC	http://www.geekologie.com/2009/05/27/tyler%20durden%20labels.jpg	Mar 05 12:23
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DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 05 12:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @ciphergoth you are NEVER "entitled to your opinion" http://j.mp/czc8Q2		Mar 05 12:23
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Omar87	schestowitz, how long does it usually take you to finish a post?	Mar 05 12:24
schestowitz	[12:22] <oiaohm> 8.5 is quite a decent starting point for a hostile	Mar 05 12:33
schestowitz	I think they need around 10%	Mar 05 12:33
schestowitz	Something in the law	Mar 05 12:33
schestowitz	Omar87: half an hour	Mar 05 12:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #USPTO Grants Patents on Hotdogs and Harbours Pyramid Schemes, #EPO in Transition, and #Apple Turns Nasty http://ur1.ca/ognv		Mar 05 12:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dear GNOME panel,		Mar 05 12:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Websense has, on request, kindly recategorised http://newstechnica.com as "News and media" rather than "Sex." o_0		Mar 05 12:41
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MinceR	Diablo-D3 got it wrong as usual	Mar 05 12:43
MinceR	you kneel before Zod, not bow before him	Mar 05 12:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dear GNOME panel,Please do not keep moving my icons around.It's the most frustrating thing to have to fix each reboot/res change.Love popey.		Mar 05 12:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just formatted my iPod 30G Video on a Windows box in iTunes, in readyness to play with it in Rhythmbox and gPodder.		Mar 05 12:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @schestowitz: I'm going to weasel word my way to a patent on carbon, then everyone owes me license fees to use anything, even their bodies.		Mar 05 12:54
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 05 12:55
DaemonFC	You'll say Bill Gates, and I'll say "Bill who?"	Mar 05 12:55
oiaohm	10 percent to force vote of share holders. schestowitz	Mar 05 12:58
oiaohm	So overriding board.	Mar 05 12:58
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DaemonFC	oiaohm, So why don't they just buy a few more free floating shares, overrule the board, and get their vote?	Mar 05 12:58
oiaohm	But there is risk forcing vote of the board.	Mar 05 12:59
oiaohm	opps shareholders.	Mar 05 12:59
oiaohm	If you lose you have to sell up.	Mar 05 12:59
DaemonFC	that they won't like the offer	Mar 05 12:59
oiaohm	And leave	Mar 05 12:59
DaemonFC	why don't they buy all the free floating shares out there? It's cheaper per share than what they offered for the whole company? They'd probably own over 20% if they did that	Mar 05 13:00
oiaohm	From a hostile point of view you only do the vote of the shareholders if you know you will win.	Mar 05 13:00
DaemonFC	that's 20% of the vote that they can put to favor the rest of the sale	Mar 05 13:00
DaemonFC	that way they don't have to convince that many individual shareholders to sell	Mar 05 13:01
oiaohm	Who says they are not buying the free floating share up.	Mar 05 13:01
DaemonFC	I might sell my shares for 21% over market value given the death spiral Novell is in	Mar 05 13:01
DaemonFC	it's unlikely that they'll return to that value on their own	Mar 05 13:01
DaemonFC	oiaohm, I'd first go around making my offer to individual shareholders actually	Mar 05 13:04
DaemonFC	until I owned enough of Novell that the rest of them didn't matter	Mar 05 13:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FBI Eliminates ~12,000,000 #Windows Zombies #Botnet , But Hundreds of Millions Remain http://ur1.ca/ogqf lost cause		Mar 05 13:04
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oiaohm	It all depends on how many shares are free.	Mar 05 13:07
DaemonFC	oiaohm, pick them off as they become available or buy them from individuals directly	Mar 05 13:08
DaemonFC	it's a matter of time	Mar 05 13:08
DaemonFC	so this way it takes them a year or two?	Mar 05 13:08
DaemonFC	they still get the company, they get it cheaper than their offer	Mar 05 13:08
oiaohm	The process you are talking about takes years.	Mar 05 13:08
oiaohm	Question will novell directors damage the assest past salvage in that time.	Mar 05 13:09
oiaohm	Its also part time.	Mar 05 13:13
oiaohm	Novell does well in case value of remaining SCO + Novell means they would be paying nothing for Novell.	Mar 05 13:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ok, now ALT+TAB is broken for me. What did I do to break it? More importantly, how to fix? Bet its a gconf key somewhere buried..		Mar 05 13:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @popey Must be another feature, from your description. :P		Mar 05 13:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] Antarctic Glacier Has Five-story Blood-red Waterfall of Primodial Ooze http://su.pr/6zy0YF (@GOOD stuff)		Mar 05 13:41
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Digital Economy Bill is around the corner http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/05/digital-economy-bill-pushed-through		Mar 05 13:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] Detroit High Schools Teach How To Work at Walmart http://su.pr/2ws9HK (@GOOD stuff) This is too crazy to make up.		Mar 05 13:47
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DaemonFC	along with earning money, since the schools are in the suburbs, the students will be around people from different cultures. = $7.25 an hour to work with drug dealers	Mar 05 13:49
DaemonFC	valuable life lesson	Mar 05 13:49
DaemonFC	this is really to scare the shit out of them so they go to college right?	Mar 05 13:49
DaemonFC	ohh, $4.25 an hour	Mar 05 13:50
DaemonFC	so they get to undercut grown ups who need the work worse	Mar 05 13:51
DaemonFC	terrific	Mar 05 13:51
DaemonFC	evil	Mar 05 13:51
DaemonFC	evil to the core	Mar 05 13:51
schestowitz	WOT?	Mar 05 13:55
schestowitz	$4.25 an hour?	Mar 05 13:55
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Yes	Mar 05 13:56
DaemonFC	Indiana has one of those laws too	Mar 05 13:56
DaemonFC	where they can pay people under 18 $4.25 an hour for 90 days	Mar 05 13:57
DaemonFC	but the other laws on child labor are strict enough that companies don't usually bother dealing with them	Mar 05 13:57
DaemonFC	and most kids would rather do anything than work at Walmart for $4.25 an hour	Mar 05 13:58
DaemonFC	who can blame them?	Mar 05 13:58
DaemonFC	schestowitz, That's what's so hideous and evil about that program...	Mar 05 13:58
DaemonFC	It takes poorly educated minority youth and lets them skip class and make money for it	Mar 05 13:59
DaemonFC	they don't know they're being ripped off is what I bet is going on	Mar 05 13:59
DaemonFC	and some politicians are getting bribes from Walmart	Mar 05 13:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Woo! Poked about a bit in compizconfig-settings-manager, just pressed 'yes' to all the massively over-wordy warning boxes and ALT+TAB works!		Mar 05 14:00
DaemonFC	schestowitz, You remember that scene from Shawshank Redemption where the warden turns the prisoners into cheap day laborers so that local businessmen will bribe him to make them go away?	Mar 05 14:00
DaemonFC	Walmart and local government is in the same league as that	Mar 05 14:01
DaemonFC	in this case, I think Walmart is bribing Detroit politicians to send then high school students who should be in class to work them for $4.25 an hour	Mar 05 14:02
DaemonFC	$3 an hour less than it's legal to work an adult for	Mar 05 14:02
DaemonFC	they rack up 12 hours that week, Walmart pockets $36 in difference X 60 kids? x however many weeks they're out there (a new batch could come in after the 90 days)	Mar 05 14:04
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DaemonFC	so if they run the program for 1 year, Walmart could save $112,000	Mar 05 14:05
DaemonFC	that's assuming 12 hours a week for each kid	Mar 05 14:05
DaemonFC	and that they only do it at one high school and one store	Mar 05 14:05
DaemonFC	it's also a bunch of workers that never qualifies for health insurance, life insurance, etc.	Mar 05 14:06
DaemonFC	they're young and probably can work faster than an adult	Mar 05 14:06
DaemonFC	less likely to pull something and file a workers comp claim	Mar 05 14:07
oiaohm	Also more likely to screw up as well.	Mar 05 14:07
DaemonFC	doubt it	Mar 05 14:07
oiaohm	I have see the direct results of this idea of 90 hours of cheep labor	Mar 05 14:07
DaemonFC	how do you screw up and clean a toilet wrong?	Mar 05 14:07
oiaohm	Leave bleach on the seat	Mar 05 14:08
DaemonFC	lmao	Mar 05 14:08
DaemonFC	they give teenagers the dirtiest, nastiest, most demeaning jobs there are	Mar 05 14:08
oiaohm	Fill the paper wrong so it jams.	Mar 05 14:08
oiaohm	Yes there is a long list of ways to screw a toilet up cleaning it.	Mar 05 14:09
DaemonFC	oiaohm, There's not that many hourly positions at Walmart that require much thought	Mar 05 14:09
DaemonFC	the closest thing I can think of are the department managers	Mar 05 14:09
oiaohm	Even pricing items can cause big screwups.	Mar 05 14:09
DaemonFC	no it can't	Mar 05 14:10
oiaohm	Here it can because if the shelf price is wrong that is the price it has to be sold at.	Mar 05 14:10
DaemonFC	and the department manager sets the mod and labels the price on the shelf	Mar 05 14:10
oiaohm	I guess USA should be the same.	Mar 05 14:10
schestowitz	[14:00] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, You remember that scene from Shawshank Redemption where the warden turns the prisoners into cheap day laborers so that local businessmen will bribe him to make them go away?	Mar 05 14:10
schestowitz	Yeah..	Mar 05 14:10
DaemonFC	there's no way to override the price without a salary manager	Mar 05 14:10
DaemonFC	that would be someone like me :P	Mar 05 14:11
DaemonFC	And if you override too many prices, that causes a lot of shrinkage.	Mar 05 14:11
oiaohm	Shelf stacking there are ways even to screw that up.	Mar 05 14:11
DaemonFC	If you cause a lot of shrinkage, the District Manager will call you, maybe even at home, to ask why and chew your ass out and write you up if you don't have a good reason.	Mar 05 14:12
oiaohm	Don't underestimate the foolish of under trained staff.	Mar 05 14:12
DaemonFC	the other thing that can get your reamed is overriding the time clock without a good reason	Mar 05 14:12
DaemonFC	they get a report of who you allowed to clock in that the time clock rejected	Mar 05 14:12
DaemonFC	and will want to know why you're going over payroll budget	Mar 05 14:13
oiaohm	I saw a work for a dole (ie unemployment benifts idea here for the young.)	Mar 05 14:13
DaemonFC	if the employee is not on the schedule, the time clock will flash red, make a razzing noise, and say "REJECTED: NOT SCHEDULED"	Mar 05 14:14
DaemonFC	also, you can't clock in until at least 10 minutes before the shift	Mar 05 14:14
DaemonFC	and you get wrote up for having unauthorized overtime	Mar 05 14:14
oiaohm	90 hours sound like a lot until you work out how much training to do a lot of jobs right lot of people need.	Mar 05 14:14
DaemonFC	theres a nice big button on the time clock that says Manager Override. You push that, slide your badge, and then the employee can slide theirs.	Mar 05 14:15
DaemonFC	oiaohm, 90 days	Mar 05 14:15
oiaohm	Even 90 days.	Mar 05 14:15
DaemonFC	doesn't take 90 days to learn most of that stuff	Mar 05 14:16
DaemonFC	I'd have them stocking shelves and cleaning the restrooms	Mar 05 14:16
DaemonFC	less chance of accidents or costly errors	Mar 05 14:16
oiaohm	Skilled staff you don't have to check up on as much.	Mar 05 14:16
DaemonFC	oiaohm, I've fired people for being there too long and earning more money than the rest	Mar 05 14:17
DaemonFC	I have X payroll and if they are making 25-30% more than average, damn right I'll fire them	Mar 05 14:17
DaemonFC	and I don't care if they have a family	Mar 05 14:18
DaemonFC	cause you know why?	Mar 05 14:18
DaemonFC	they can re-apply and ask for their job back	Mar 05 14:18
DaemonFC	at starting rate	Mar 05 14:18
DaemonFC	and I've done that	Mar 05 14:18
DaemonFC	actually I do care, but I have to sit on that	Mar 05 14:19
DaemonFC	if I want to continue my employment	Mar 05 14:19
DaemonFC	so that's what I had to do for those years	Mar 05 14:19
oiaohm	That is still keeping some skilled staff that know how things should be working.	Mar 05 14:19
DaemonFC	oiaohm, I looked at how much they made out of global payroll and how hard they worked for it	Mar 05 14:19
DaemonFC	it wasn't just how much they're paid	Mar 05 14:20
DaemonFC	if they make 25% more than average but I think I'm getting half again as much work from them, I wouldn't fire them	Mar 05 14:20
oiaohm	Yep best workers best pay.	Mar 05 14:20
DaemonFC	another thing you can do if they're a competent worker you don't want to lose is promote them to a position where you can tell the DM why they make that much	Mar 05 14:21
DaemonFC	that assumes you have open positions	Mar 05 14:21
oiaohm	I saw case here of a saw mill clean up staff replaced by unskilled.	Mar 05 14:21
oiaohm	The job is simple pickup bits of scrap wood.	Mar 05 14:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Tymlee Why r govts afraid to acknowledge atrocies of previous leaders / cuz ppl might start looking @ currentish events. deny everything!		Mar 05 14:21
oiaohm	Not much ways you can screw that up. But lossing eyes who knew how operations worked end up with more thieft.	Mar 05 14:22
oiaohm	So the savings end up not worth it.	Mar 05 14:22
DaemonFC	oiaohm, I've had a few cases where I've had to close the door and say "You didn't have this discussion with me, and I'll deny it, but you're either going to take this promotion or you won't be working here tomorrow"	Mar 05 14:22
DaemonFC	lol	Mar 05 14:22
schestowitz	BN server is being hammered. I wonder if we made another front page somwwhere	Mar 05 14:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followfriday if u're not outraged,u're not paying attention 2 @mparent7777 @shoq @stopthisempire @schestowitz @justiceforgaza @saintpaul007		Mar 05 14:22
DaemonFC	cause sometimes people don't want the promotion	Mar 05 14:22
DaemonFC	sometimes it moves them to another shift and they only gain half of the differential they lost	Mar 05 14:23
oiaohm	does your shop fill the shelfs while the shop is open.	Mar 05 14:23
DaemonFC	well, I haven't worked there since like 2007	Mar 05 14:24
DaemonFC	but we tried not to	Mar 05 14:24
oiaohm	Places here try to fill while open.	Mar 05 14:24
DaemonFC	3rd shift was stocking, but we were 24 hours too	Mar 05 14:24
DaemonFC	so yes we were open, but I mean we tried stocking while customer load was low	Mar 05 14:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Brand Far from Respected (Says Fortune), Company’s Future May Resemble #Sun ’s Trajectory (Says BNET) http://ur1.ca/ogy4		Mar 05 14:24
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oiaohm	Its extra eyes against thief.	Mar 05 14:24
DaemonFC	well, in days we have department managers	Mar 05 14:25
DaemonFC	setting mods and such	Mar 05 14:25
oiaohm	Yes also people are less likely to steal if a staff memeber is near by as well.	Mar 05 14:25
DaemonFC	I know, I have a few interesting thief stories	Mar 05 14:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @georgegalloway #Chilcot: Blair mentioned #Iran 58 x. Brown's refrain was rogue states //so Chilcot just more revisionism+#war drumbeats		Mar 05 14:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #followfriday @georgegalloway One of world's greatest peace activists		Mar 05 14:25
DaemonFC	one time I tackled a guy that was trying to stuff sudafed down his pants	Mar 05 14:25
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 05 14:26
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oiaohm	Lot of places here will not stock sudafed and other releations because its too likely to get nicked.	Mar 05 14:26
DaemonFC	it was also my job to press charges on behalf of the company	Mar 05 14:26
DaemonFC	oiaohm, this was before the law changed	Mar 05 14:27
DaemonFC	you could buy as much as you wanted	Mar 05 14:27
DaemonFC	but this guy wasn't going to buy a meth lab load	Mar 05 14:27
oiaohm	This was also before laws on limits changed here.	Mar 05 14:27
oiaohm	The meth lab people here are cheap scates.	Mar 05 14:27
DaemonFC	now it's behind the counter	Mar 05 14:27
DaemonFC	well yeah	Mar 05 14:27
oiaohm	Ie they nick it not buy it.	Mar 05 14:27
DaemonFC	if they weren't cheap, they'd have crack cocaine	Mar 05 14:28
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 05 14:28
oiaohm	Always have	Mar 05 14:28
DaemonFC	oiaohm, What's funny is when you catch a kid stealing	Mar 05 14:28
DaemonFC	video games, CDs....	Mar 05 14:28
DaemonFC	if the kid was under 14 or so, I'd make the parent sign a form that stated they realized that coming back into the store for any reason is trespassing	Mar 05 14:29
DaemonFC	over that age, I'd call the police and press shoplifting charges	Mar 05 14:29
oiaohm	I guess you don't have areas where natives will basically destory shop unless they get to steal particular times of year.	Mar 05 14:30
DaemonFC	I don't tolerate thieves	Mar 05 14:30
DaemonFC	I don't care if you steal a tic tac	Mar 05 14:30
DaemonFC	the police will be called	Mar 05 14:30
oiaohm	Some areas here for chrismas and the like you have to.	Mar 05 14:30
oiaohm	If you want shop in one piece.	Mar 05 14:31
DaemonFC	people are really messed up	Mar 05 14:32
oiaohm	Problem is they still class the land under shop as theirs and you can do them a good turn one or twice per year.	Mar 05 14:32
oiaohm	For the use of land	Mar 05 14:32
oiaohm	rest of the year they pay without question.	Mar 05 14:32
DaemonFC	I actually kept a 39.5 hour work week	Mar 05 14:33
DaemonFC	that way none of my people went over 40 hours	Mar 05 14:33
DaemonFC	one day on that week's schedule, they had a 7.5 hour shift	Mar 05 14:34
DaemonFC	oiaohm, Walmart is crooked as hell	Mar 05 14:35
DaemonFC	I got my salary and not a lot else	Mar 05 14:35
DaemonFC	the insurance was basically the same as hourlies	Mar 05 14:35
DaemonFC	the bonus was less	Mar 05 14:35
DaemonFC	and the hours were longer	Mar 05 14:35
oiaohm	Really is not the worse I have had.	Mar 05 14:36
DaemonFC	do you have Walmart there?	Mar 05 14:36
oiaohm	Working on some of the out back properities here you don't ever go back near them.	Mar 05 14:36
oiaohm	Yes they pay you a wage.	Mar 05 14:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Nokia was actually up to their necks in Iran persecuting and arresting dissidents, not just selling kit http://ow.ly/1eAsY		Mar 05 14:36
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oiaohm	Problem is only shop inside 200 kms is theirs.	Mar 05 14:36
oiaohm	Yes that is a shop for anything DaemonFC	Mar 05 14:37
DaemonFC	Welmart parks two stores close enough to kill each other's sales	Mar 05 14:37
DaemonFC	the idea is to starve out the competition then each Walmart store will absorb their business	Mar 05 14:37
DaemonFC	and be at 100% capacity :P	Mar 05 14:38
DaemonFC	so there are areas with two Walmart stores a mile away from each other	Mar 05 14:38
DaemonFC	there's a method to that madness though	Mar 05 14:38
DaemonFC	in a way, I think that Walmart is more of a threat than Microsoft	Mar 05 14:39
DaemonFC	Walmart plans things better	Mar 05 14:39
oiaohm	I guess they don't do same as the bush proprities were the fuel to leave is more than 4 weeks wages. You have to pay rent and board out of wages as well.	Mar 05 14:39
DaemonFC	they squeeze costs out of the business	Mar 05 14:39
DaemonFC	down to the smallest detail	Mar 05 14:40
DaemonFC	they study what their customer wants	Mar 05 14:40
oiaohm	So basically you are working for nothing for many weeks just to get out the place. DaemonFC	Mar 05 14:40
DaemonFC	and plan to attract customers from stores that do things Walmart doesn't do yet	Mar 05 14:40
oiaohm	And guess how they attract people.	Mar 05 14:40
schestowitz	Mac Asay is being a PR puppet of Microsoft now	Mar 05 14:40
oiaohm	The wages out there appear to be 8 times the normal going rate. DaemonFC	Mar 05 14:41
schestowitz	Shame on him for repeating lies: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10463675-16.html	Mar 05 14:41
schestowitz	"Any company with billions in profit each quarter can afford to spend its way into a winning strategy. Microsoft has already sold 90 million copies of Windows 7, suggesting that its demise will be greatly exaggerated for some time to come, especially as its market share is again on the upswing with Windows 7."	Mar 05 14:41
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schestowitz	BS and lies	Mar 05 14:41
DaemonFC	Walmart would never EVER operate like Microsoft operates	Mar 05 14:41
DaemonFC	throwing money at dozens of things that will never make them a cent	Mar 05 14:41
oiaohm	Same with the out back properities here DaemonFC	Mar 05 14:41
oiaohm	They make a profit and have to pay very little for it.	Mar 05 14:42
DaemonFC	Microsoft is just blessed with a product that costs nothing to copy infinitely, a lot of lawyers, a network of conspirators to pre-install Windows, and proprietary undocumented formats and protocols	Mar 05 14:43
DaemonFC	throw in some abuse of the patent system	Mar 05 14:43
DaemonFC	Walmart can't afford to be that brutish	Mar 05 14:43
DaemonFC	Walmart actually does work for the money they make	Mar 05 14:44
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Ballmer was talking about buying Twitter the other day	Mar 05 14:44
DaemonFC	I don't see how that's a good idea	Mar 05 14:44
oiaohm	Really our equal to Walmart is far more sneaky.	Mar 05 14:44
oiaohm	Its called woolworths	Mar 05 14:45
DaemonFC	heard of them	Mar 05 14:45
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/04/severe_openssl_vulnerability/	Mar 05 14:45
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schestowitz	"http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/04/severe_openssl_vulnerability/"	Mar 05 14:45
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schestowitz	"An OpenSSL official, who asked that his name not be published, said engineers are in the process of pushing out a patch and stressed the attack is difficult to carry out in real-world settings."	Mar 05 14:45
DaemonFC	I know you have a KMart that's totally unrelated to our KMart	Mar 05 14:45
DaemonFC	uses the same logo too	Mar 05 14:45
schestowitz	DaemonFC: waste of money	Mar 05 14:45
schestowitz	They would drive away many people	Mar 05 14:46
schestowitz	People choose Twitter for being a small company, Digg too. See what happened to MySpace	Mar 05 14:46
schestowitz	Facebook won't sell either, IPO is likely	Mar 05 14:46
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DaemonFC	uggh, I have to get up, go by the ATM, get my rent, drive to the landlord, pay him the rent	Mar 05 14:47
oiaohm	KMart Australia is Coles the other big chain we have. DaemonFC	Mar 05 14:47
DaemonFC	ever since that former secretary of hi embezzles from the rent account	Mar 05 14:48
DaemonFC	otherwise I could pay it in three clicks	Mar 05 14:48
oiaohm	http://www.woolworthslimited.com.au/phoenix.zhtml?c=144044&p=our-brand and http://www.colesgroup.com.au/Home/	Mar 05 14:48
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oiaohm	I forgot coles is now something even bigger westfarmers.	Mar 05 14:48
oiaohm	Heck westfarmers even owns some airports.	Mar 05 14:48
DaemonFC	I hate paying for things in cash	Mar 05 14:49
DaemonFC	I don't pay for anything else in cash	Mar 05 14:49
DaemonFC	before that bitch did that I don't think I had touched cash in over a year	Mar 05 14:49
oiaohm	Big trick is Woolworths and Coles both have overlaping stores.	Mar 05 14:49
DaemonFC	cash is inefficent	Mar 05 14:50
DaemonFC	it loads you down with change	Mar 05 14:50
DaemonFC	you put the change in a jar where it collects	Mar 05 14:50
DaemonFC	you take it to the bank for cash	Mar 05 14:50
oiaohm	Ie so you can get a price of the same item from 2 woolworth stores or two coles stores with both stores having different signs up and different uniforms. DaemonFC	Mar 05 14:50
DaemonFC	it's a vicious cycle	Mar 05 14:50
oiaohm	So there appears to be compeition DaemonFC	Mar 05 14:50
DaemonFC	hah	Mar 05 14:50
DaemonFC	oiaohm, different Walmart stores have different prices	Mar 05 14:51
oiaohm	Same	Mar 05 14:51
DaemonFC	rule of thumb is that the price goes up every time a competitor goes bankrupt and leaves	Mar 05 14:51
oiaohm	Different prices different signage.	Mar 05 14:51
DaemonFC	so when a Walmart moves in, their stuff is impossibly cheap	Mar 05 14:51
oiaohm	Our goverment here is pushing for nation wide pricing.	Mar 05 14:52
DaemonFC	they're dumping the entire store	Mar 05 14:52
DaemonFC	everyone shops at the Walmart and starves the competition	Mar 05 14:52
oiaohm	So to kill the coles vs woolworths problem.	Mar 05 14:52
DaemonFC	a year later, the Walmart costs more than the competition did when it was there	Mar 05 14:52
oiaohm	Ie coles and woolworths fight everyone else is screwed.	Mar 05 14:52
oiaohm	Do walmart sell fuel.	Mar 05 14:52
oiaohm	Coles and Woolworths basically sell everything.	Mar 05 14:53
DaemonFC	some do under a contract with Murphy's	Mar 05 14:53
oiaohm	Other than cars	Mar 05 14:53
oiaohm	I mean directly.	Mar 05 14:53
DaemonFC	oiaohm, that's why I bought a $5 Walmart gift card	Mar 05 14:53
DaemonFC	you scan it and the price goes down 3 cents per gallon	Mar 05 14:53
DaemonFC	even if you pay with your debit card	Mar 05 14:54
DaemonFC	well, the attendants are Walmart employees	Mar 05 14:54
oiaohm	Woolworths and Coles are far more careful.	Mar 05 14:55
DaemonFC	you'll know Linux won when Walmart sells machines with it full time	Mar 05 14:55
DaemonFC	not just as a cheap-o promo	Mar 05 14:55
oiaohm	You have to by over so much goods from the to get a 5 cent per L fuel price reduction.	Mar 05 14:56
oiaohm	The end of it they never lose.	Mar 05 14:56
DaemonFC	of course not	Mar 05 14:56
DaemonFC	they're not in business to lose	Mar 05 14:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] If The 'Space Invaders' Movie Is Faithful To The Game http://www.cracked.com/blog/space-invaders-movie-script-leaked		Mar 05 14:56
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oiaohm	Only thing that was able to crack the Coles Woolworths wall was aldi	Mar 05 14:56
oiaohm	Both tried under cutting aldi and aldi being a big multi natition just laughed at them and did nothing.	Mar 05 14:57
oiaohm	And just waited for coles and woolworths to quit.	Mar 05 14:57
oiaohm	And kept on opening more stores.	Mar 05 14:58
oiaohm	Basically Walmart runs into something like aldi they will have a problem.	Mar 05 14:58
DaemonFC	they aren't in trouble	Mar 05 14:59
oiaohm	I don't think there is anything like aldi over there.	Mar 05 14:59
DaemonFC	ALDI is right next to the store here	Mar 05 14:59
oiaohm	Not like here.	Mar 05 14:59
oiaohm	ALDI here is putting massive presure on to bring in pricing regulation.	Mar 05 14:59
DaemonFC	There's ALDI, but it only gets the really poor and the really cheap rich people	Mar 05 15:00
oiaohm	and I guess aldi is not flexing mussle to force price regulation over there.	Mar 05 15:00
oiaohm	Or maybe Walmart was smart enough not to try price waring them.'	Mar 05 15:01
DaemonFC	they are in a price war	Mar 05 15:03
DaemonFC	neither side has really won	Mar 05 15:03
oiaohm	No Walmart is screwed they don't get it yet.	Mar 05 15:03
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oiaohm	Simple problem with ALDI there investments are huge they can afford to make loses in the USA basically for ever.	Mar 05 15:04
Omar87	schestowitz, typo detected: "This agrees [what] what Jeremy Allison wrote and Bradley Kuhn wrote about that too."	Mar 05 15:04
oiaohm	ALDI plays the same game in every country DaemonFC	Mar 05 15:04
oiaohm	You enter a price war with them. They use it to document your pracs then work out legal ways of attacking you. DaemonFC	Mar 05 15:05
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oiaohm	So end game they win you lose. Because they will shutdown your methods. DaemonFC	Mar 05 15:05
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DaemonFC	laws are different here	Mar 05 15:06
DaemonFC	Walmart hasn't actually done anything illegal to their pricing	Mar 05 15:06
oiaohm	So they will still attack Walmart for it in advertisement when they role out all stores the same price. DaemonFC	Mar 05 15:07
DaemonFC	the law allows for some loss leaders	Mar 05 15:07
DaemonFC	as long as most of your items are sold for at least cost, you're ok	Mar 05 15:07
DaemonFC	price fixing is not an easy thing to sue for	Mar 05 15:08
DaemonFC	ALDI is just as guilty of it even if they did want to sue	Mar 05 15:08
oiaohm	Selling at cost adli has no problem with.	Mar 05 15:08
oiaohm	For there complete stores contents.	Mar 05 15:08
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oiaohm	Basically they are highly skilled at price waring and they will when reading force Walmart into a location to under cut they will be risking the law.	Mar 05 15:09
DaemonFC	brb	Mar 05 15:10
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oiaohm	http://ostatic.com/blog/what-a-difference-marketing-makes-opera-triples-downloads-with-browser-ballot	Mar 05 15:13
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sebsebseb	Hi	Mar 05 15:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Earthquake in Chile Shortened Day, Shifted Axis, NASA Says http://ur1.ca/oh4a We need to start "War on Earthquakes"		Mar 05 15:19
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schestowitz	is this person from Microsoft? http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Ben/Laurie/ http://www.links.org/?p=894	Mar 05 15:24
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oiaohm	No BSD licence fan schestowitz	Mar 05 15:28
schestowitz	omar_: thanks	Mar 05 15:28
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Omar87	schestowitz, anytime.	Mar 05 15:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Setting up this CruiseControl instance feels like building a redundant standby Disneyland from toothpicks and spit		Mar 05 15:30
schestowitz	http://www.theonion.com/content/news/google_responds_to_privacy	Mar 05 15:34
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DaemonFC	nothing wrong with FreeBSD	Mar 05 15:34
schestowitz	The server is hammered right now, I don't know why	Mar 05 15:35
DaemonFC	schestowitz, FreeBSD 8 performance really came up	Mar 05 15:35
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DaemonFC	it beats Linux as much as Linux beats it	Mar 05 15:36
DaemonFC	still different workloads are better for one or the other	Mar 05 15:36
DaemonFC	oiaohm, figure there's any chance of Ubuntu applying Con Kolivas' patch set?	Mar 05 15:37
schestowitz	[05:16] <tessier__> schestowitz: Slashdot links to Linux Today which links to " Firm Behind Novell Bid Has Shady Past, Could be Tied to Microsoft" on boycottnovell.com	Mar 05 15:39
schestowitz	Where is that?	Mar 05 15:39
schestowitz	We seem to have too much traffic, I don't know where from	Mar 05 15:39
schestowitz	http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Linux-from-Scratch-6-6-has-arrived-944410.html	Mar 05 15:40
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schestowitz	I reckon oiaohm doesn't care for this one: http://lwn.net/Articles/376566/	Mar 05 15:41
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schestowitz	Let me check response time from CA: http://boycottnovell.com	Mar 05 15:41
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schestowitz	It gets there eventually	Mar 05 15:41
schestowitz	http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/which-linux-distribution-do-you-use-most-frequently-0 Ubuntu at about 1/3 of users there	Mar 05 15:52
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schestowitz	http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/hardware/article.php/3868696	Mar 05 15:58
schestowitz	"The announcement ends a nine-year partnership between HDS and Sun Microsystems, which was acquired by Oracle in January."	Mar 05 15:58
schestowitz	Orachell	Mar 05 15:58
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Now they want to privatize our trash pickup to "save money"	Mar 05 15:59
DaemonFC	"So as long as we pay them for all the expenses we would have incurred, plus their markup to cover profit for their managers, executives, owners/shareholders, we'll get a garbage pickup system that works as well as what we have now and only costs 20% more?"	Mar 05 15:59
DaemonFC	my response	Mar 05 15:59
DaemonFC	heh	Mar 05 15:59
DaemonFC	We have a local government that's dying and having to fire people from every department including the police due to lack of budget	Mar 05 16:01
DaemonFC	and the way to make it better is always mindlessly "cut taxes"	Mar 05 16:01
schestowitz	DaemonFC: so some people will DIY	Mar 05 16:03
schestowitz	dump in nature	Mar 05 16:03
schestowitz	Not lamdfill	Mar 05 16:03
DaemonFC	already done!	Mar 05 16:03
DaemonFC	lol	Mar 05 16:03
DaemonFC	if you ever want a washing machine, just wait til they drain the reservoir and take your pick B-)	Mar 05 16:04
DaemonFC	http://lh6.ggpht.com/_lK5LTCm8gYY/SZHO24w5IFI/AAAAAAAAD7g/VZupiE8_Jz0/HPIM3723.JPG	Mar 05 16:07
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DaemonFC	fun to rent a boat and go out there	Mar 05 16:08
DaemonFC	lake goes on for miles	Mar 05 16:09
DaemonFC	one of the fun things left to go do in this county	Mar 05 16:10
DaemonFC	fish	Mar 05 16:10
schestowitz	http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/where-android-beats-iphone-397	Mar 05 16:10
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: but fishery won't last	Mar 05 16:11
schestowitz	Fish populations run out fast	Mar 05 16:11
DaemonFC	I have no idea why the state sells 1 day fishing licenses	Mar 05 16:11
schestowitz	May almost end in our lifetime	Mar 05 16:11
DaemonFC	those are $8 and the one YEAR licenses are $14	Mar 05 16:11
DaemonFC	schestowitz, You better not try to fish without a license or take what you're not allowed or more than your limit	Mar 05 16:12
DaemonFC	BIG penalties	Mar 05 16:12
DaemonFC	the state will seize everything on you, including your car and boat	Mar 05 16:12
DaemonFC	sell those to pay the fine if needs be	Mar 05 16:12
DaemonFC	it's not worth trying to take more than your limit	Mar 05 16:12
DaemonFC	schestowitz, For the size limit, I always go at least a couple inches longer or throw it back	Mar 05 16:13
DaemonFC	just to be safe	Mar 05 16:13
DaemonFC	not worth getting my car seized because the fish was a tenth of an inch too short	Mar 05 16:14
DaemonFC	it's common to get stopped by a game warden	Mar 05 16:15
DaemonFC	they sit there and randomly pull people over	Mar 05 16:15
DaemonFC	they have all the law enforcement powers of a state police officer	Mar 05 16:15
DaemonFC	and then some	Mar 05 16:15
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DaemonFC	http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/85569932.html	Mar 05 16:17
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DaemonFC	I should send in my application B-)	Mar 05 16:18
DaemonFC	lol	Mar 05 16:18
DaemonFC	"This increased the job pool to 4,300 candidates for 65 open positions."	Mar 05 16:18
oiaohm	You are very right schestowitz I don't care that much for Linux-2.6.33-libre mostly due to their methods. The correct way would have been to develop a kernel taint flag for it. Renaming fireware loaders is asking for trouble. Also makes it harder to build replacement firmwares.	Mar 05 16:20
DaemonFC	hmmm, the ISP use the Glock 17	Mar 05 16:21
DaemonFC	not a great choice	Mar 05 16:21
DaemonFC	http://www.self-defender.net/weapons/glock17.gif	Mar 05 16:22
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oiaohm	They also seam to have some stupid idea removing firmware from the Linux kernel will magically make it disappear as well schestowitz. Instead it will return to hardware being harder to work out.	Mar 05 16:23
schestowitz	That's not the logic behind it	Mar 05 16:24
oiaohm	There object is that blocking items not needing firmware will help.	Mar 05 16:28
oiaohm	Stupid part lot of the devices these days the firmware is for in the past the firmware would have been on a rom chip on the card.	Mar 05 16:29
oiaohm	And looking at it would have been a lot harder.	Mar 05 16:29
DaemonFC	http://www.odmp.org/officer/19148-trooper-daniel-roy-barrett	Mar 05 16:31
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DaemonFC	death by car accident while attempting to issue a traffic ticket?	Mar 05 16:31
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amarsh04	I prefer the debian firmware-linux-nonfree - at least you know what non-free bits you end up using	Mar 05 16:32
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, I'm just waiting for the city to rezone everything as farm land	Mar 05 16:36
DaemonFC	the state law says the cap is 1% on homes, 2% on businesses, and 3% on farm land for property tax	Mar 05 16:37
schestowitz	http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/google-faces-antitrust-litigation-in-ohio/?cs=39710	Mar 05 16:37
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DaemonFC	someone might notice my growing of tomatoes and various peppers in the summer	Mar 05 16:38
DaemonFC	that's why I'm not going to give them the idea :P	Mar 05 16:38
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schestowitz	http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-03-05-002-35-OP-NT-0004	Mar 05 16:41
schestowitz	"	Mar 05 16:41
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schestowitz	> Microsoft would buy them out and whip suse into shape	Mar 05 16:41
schestowitz	> Is this satire or something?	Mar 05 16:41
schestowitz	No. The market needs an alternative to RedRat. Novell is failing to provide it.	Mar 05 16:41
schestowitz	Microsoft can't beat Linux. What else can it do but join the club. They can take suse and rebrand it to Microsoft Linux. And beat RedRat into submission.	Mar 05 16:41
schestowitz	"	Mar 05 16:41
DaemonFC	schestowitz, I can see the argument for that	Mar 05 16:42
DaemonFC	I might do it if I was them	Mar 05 16:42
schestowitz	http://rawstory.com/2010/03/gop-senator-unemployment-benefits-people-work/	Mar 05 16:42
phIRCe-BNc	Title: GOP senator: Unemployment benefits make people not want to work \| Raw Story .::. Size~: 59.38 KB	Mar 05 16:42
DaemonFC	it would be interesting were Microsoft actually to do that because it would make them an upstream kernel developer	Mar 05 16:43
DaemonFC	and a free software developer in general	Mar 05 16:43
DaemonFC	the nature of the GPL would make that inescapable	Mar 05 16:43
DaemonFC	I also don't think they want to own a Linux distribution while going around suing and beating protection money out of other people	Mar 05 16:44
schestowitz	http://rawstory.com/2010/03/michael-moore-democrats-bunch-wusses/	Mar 05 16:44
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Michael Moore: Democrats are a bunch of wusses&Its disgusting& Im sick of them \| Raw Story .::. Size~: 65.72 KB	Mar 05 16:44
DaemonFC	makes them stink of SCO more than they already do	Mar 05 16:44
schestowitz	Yeah	Mar 05 16:44
schestowitz	They won't do it	Mar 05 16:44
schestowitz	http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/03/03/exclusive-unknown-doj-lawyers-identified/	Mar 05 16:45
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB	Mar 05 16:45
schestowitz	FAUX	Mar 05 16:45
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amarsh04	.au has "work for the dole" and other schemes that require both searching for work and participating in training/work schemes	Mar 05 16:46
DaemonFC	jono, What did the dyslexic Ubuntu artwork designer say to the Ubuntu community?	Mar 05 16:46
DaemonFC	"How do you like my new window controls?"	Mar 05 16:47
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 05 16:47
amarsh04	unemployment benefits aka job search allowance contains so many requirements that it is easier to live off savings/casual work whilst finding better work	Mar 05 16:47
MinceR	:>	Mar 05 16:47
jono	DaemonFC, don't give up the day job :)	Mar 05 16:47
schestowitz	http://rawstory.com/2010/03/controversial-cartoonist-endorsed-mother-teen-beaten-police/	Mar 05 16:48
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Controversial cartoonist endorsed by mother of police beating victim \| Raw Story .::. Size~: 32.89 KB	Mar 05 16:48
DaemonFC	https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/0.1.5.4/+changelog	Mar 05 16:48
DaemonFC	hmmmm	Mar 05 16:48
*DaemonFC installs them to see.........ohhhhhhhh		Mar 05 16:49
DaemonFC	THATSS why they got all dyslexic	Mar 05 16:49
DaemonFC	they rearranged the controls without shifting the controls to the left side of the title bar	Mar 05 16:49
DaemonFC	jono, WHY!?!?!?!?!?	Mar 05 16:50
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 05 16:50
DaemonFC	brb	Mar 05 16:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] World's First Projective HTML5 Video using Canvas API #canvas #html5 #video #ogg http://post.ly/QwPt		Mar 05 16:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] A bacon rocket http://www.b3ta.com/links/Bacon_Rocket really, a genuine rocket genuinely made from bacon. And toast.		Mar 05 16:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning, friends!		Mar 05 16:59
phIRCe-BNc	Title: b3ta.com links .::. Size~: 50.29 KB	Mar 05 16:59
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Omar87	Is FSDaily having a downtime or something?	Mar 05 17:10
schestowitz	http://www.ap.org/ "Senator warns against $1B deal with Blackwater" DaemonFC seems lik Blackwater material... merciless killings....	Mar 05 17:19
phIRCe-BNc	Title: The Associated Press \| The essential global news network .::. Size~: 18.47 KB	Mar 05 17:19
schestowitz	Omar87: yes	Mar 05 17:19
DaemonFC	only to people that deserve it	Mar 05 17:20
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Just back home after watching #VTV. Awesome movie ;-). It was colorful and enjoyable till end. I felt like it happened to me ;-) .		Mar 05 17:22
ender2070	oh man I was intoxicated yesterday	Mar 05 17:42
ender2070	not by alcohol though, mcdonalds is giving away free coffee	Mar 05 17:43
DaemonFC	http://www.informationweek.com/news/hardware/grid_cluster/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=223101675	Mar 05 17:44
DaemonFC	ender2070, ewww	Mar 05 17:44
*DaemonFC hates McDonalds coffee		Mar 05 17:45
DaemonFC	there is a food coffee place nearby though	Mar 05 17:46
DaemonFC	*good	Mar 05 17:46
DaemonFC	fast food coffee is stuff you guzzle down quick cause you've got 5 minutes to get to work	Mar 05 17:46
DaemonFC	and you're on 2 hours sleep	Mar 05 17:46
DaemonFC	schestowitz, The court not only ruled against EchoStar's patent infringement claim, but ordered it to pay Tivo $300 million for being in contempt of court and to cover Tivo's legal fees	Mar 05 17:48
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 05 17:48
ender2070	you know they replaced their coffee right?	Mar 05 17:49
DaemonFC	oh?	Mar 05 17:49
ender2070	its now the best fast food coffee you can get	Mar 05 17:49
ender2070	within the last 1-2 years iirc	Mar 05 17:50
DaemonFC	does it no longer taste like 5 weight used motor oil mixed in yak piss and pressed through raw sewage?	Mar 05 17:50
ender2070	yeah	Mar 05 17:53
ender2070	it tastes better than instant coffee	Mar 05 17:53
ender2070	i think its even better than Tim Hortons	Mar 05 17:53
ender2070	mcdonalds gives free coffee away each year, when Tim Horton's does roll up the rim to win contests	Mar 05 17:54
DaemonFC	no Tim Hortons here	Mar 05 17:54
DaemonFC	taking it it's a coffee place	Mar 05 17:54
ender2070	yeah its a canadian thing	Mar 05 17:54
ender2070	even though a US company bought it	Mar 05 17:54
DaemonFC	yay	Mar 05 17:55
DaemonFC	extracting revenue	Mar 05 17:55
ender2070	you guys do it to us all the time	Mar 05 17:55
ender2070	its sad	Mar 05 17:55
ender2070	I was just thinking about it, i think theres a need for a strong canadian based linux company	Mar 05 17:56
ender2070	im talking as strong as redhat	Mar 05 17:57
ender2070	ms has no competition up here	Mar 05 17:57
DaemonFC	ender2070, There's one in Richmond, Indiana	Mar 05 17:57
ender2070	?	Mar 05 17:58
ender2070	oh tim hortons	Mar 05 17:58
DaemonFC	332 miles from here	Mar 05 17:59
ender2070	theres a few of them but they didnt become very popular	Mar 05 17:59
DaemonFC	only one in the state	Mar 05 17:59
ender2070	in canada we have them on every corner	Mar 05 17:59
DaemonFC	there's a lot of them in Ohio	Mar 05 17:59
ender2070	in my city theres probably 20-30 of them	Mar 05 17:59
DaemonFC	and Michigan	Mar 05 17:59
DaemonFC	well, there's one in Indiana	Mar 05 18:00
DaemonFC	which is bigger than many countries	Mar 05 18:00
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 05 18:00
DaemonFC	dammit	Mar 05 18:00
ender2070	lol	Mar 05 18:00
ender2070	see?	Mar 05 18:01
ender2070	the evil of canada is slowly seeping into your country	Mar 05 18:01
ender2070	providing caffeinated goodness	Mar 05 18:01
DaemonFC	the evil of Canada as a US subsidiary	Mar 05 18:02
DaemonFC	burn	Mar 05 18:02
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 05 18:02
ender2070	wrong!	Mar 05 18:02
ender2070	we're a UK subsidiary, don't forget that	Mar 05 18:02
ender2070	and you're a UK subsidiary too	Mar 05 18:02
DaemonFC	like hell	Mar 05 18:03
ender2070	i know, hard to tell and confusing	Mar 05 18:03
*DaemonFC grabs the shotgun		Mar 05 18:03
DaemonFC	where are they?	Mar 05 18:03
ender2070	new york	Mar 05 18:03
DaemonFC	:D	Mar 05 18:03
DaemonFC	Sting?	Mar 05 18:03
DaemonFC	I knew it!	Mar 05 18:03
ender2070	UN	Mar 05 18:03
DaemonFC	bastard	Mar 05 18:03
DaemonFC	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englishman_in_New_York	Mar 05 18:04
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Englishman in New York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 41.46 KB	Mar 05 18:04
ender2070	the UK is a testing ground for laws they plan to pass elsewhere	Mar 05 18:04
DaemonFC	ender2070, They're still reeling from having their sphere of influence cut to a tenth of what it was in only a century	Mar 05 18:05
DaemonFC	might not want to pick at that scab :P	Mar 05 18:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] With Lib Dems also serving rich/powerful folks, who's left in the UK to stand up for people? http://ur1.ca/ohmw		Mar 05 18:05
ender2070	their sphere of influence hasn't changed much	Mar 05 18:05
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Open Rights Group \| Lib Dems seek web blocking .::. Size~: 63.34 KB	Mar 05 18:05
ender2070	its just behind the scenes now	Mar 05 18:06
DaemonFC	trying to cling onto Northern Ireland	Mar 05 18:06
DaemonFC	just cause it satisfies a need to fuck with people	Mar 05 18:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @floschi Meeting with CIO of another Bavarian City done. Open Standards as long term policy possible. Cool. #CeBIT		Mar 05 18:06
schestowitz	"RT @mik_kersten: Wow, Twitter just hired their 140th employee. I wonder if they will force themselves to stop there." http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/9964960421	Mar 05 18:10
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Twitter / Glyn Moody: RT @maslett RT @mik_kerste ... .::. Size~: 10.28 KB	Mar 05 18:10
DaemonFC	ender2070, I'm thinking that it's a shame that someone doesn't slip the RIRA some claymores, XM8s and XM312s, grenades, tactical body armor.....and maybe a stinger or 12	Mar 05 18:12
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 05 18:12
schestowitz	According to Lessig, he US economy may never recover. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-lessig/systemic-denial_b_485569.html	Mar 05 18:12
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Lawrence Lessig: Systemic Denial .::. Size~: 204.33 KB	Mar 05 18:12
DaemonFC	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f9FHKQdLzA	Mar 05 18:12
phIRCe-BNc	Title: YouTube- Future Weapons - The XM307 and XM312 .::. Size~: 111.87 KB	Mar 05 18:12
DaemonFC	badass	Mar 05 18:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hey, @glynmoody , don't forget that "stop and search" means that they stop "innocents" for racial balance		Mar 05 18:13
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schestowitz	http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/02/science/02topo.html?src=sch&pagewanted=all	Mar 05 18:14
phIRCe-BNc	Title: For the Internet, New Connections With Peering - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 70.18 KB	Mar 05 18:14
DaemonFC	I have a trigger mounted laser sight on my Hi Point .45 ACP	Mar 05 18:16
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DaemonFC	worthy upgrade that's not all that expensive	Mar 05 18:16
DaemonFC	put your finger on the trigger, shoot at the dot	Mar 05 18:17
DaemonFC	not the laser pointer to play with the cat with	Mar 05 18:17
DaemonFC	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63cxeEq5gUk	Mar 05 18:18
phIRCe-BNc	Title: YouTube- XM8 Assault Rifle .::. Size~: 109.5 KB	Mar 05 18:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] A long day, working on Julian's thesis today. No more Geek/Computer stuff for me tonight. Will take a long hot shower and then watch NGC		Mar 05 18:19
DaemonFC	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDqaeMGMAWk	Mar 05 18:21
phIRCe-BNc	Title: YouTube- M18A1 Claymore Antipersonnel Mine .::. Size~: 112.47 KB	Mar 05 18:21
ender2070	lol you and your mines	Mar 05 18:23
ender2070	gotta stop people from "stealing your jobs"	Mar 05 18:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Merged in more python-snippets: desktop widget, drag and open in PyGTK, GStreamer video playback, and a bunch of fixes! http://is.gd/9Luyo		Mar 05 18:24
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DaemonFC	ender2070, Those aren't pressure mines though	Mar 05 18:25
DaemonFC	they couldn't stay live and buried for years	Mar 05 18:25
DaemonFC	they're mounted on the ground and facing the enemy	Mar 05 18:26
DaemonFC	ender2070, If you want to get technical.....the US set up the world's LARGEST nature preserve	Mar 05 18:27
DaemonFC	anything not heavy enough to set off a mine is flourishing in the Korean DMZ I'll have you know! :P	Mar 05 18:28
DaemonFC	and people hardly ever go in there	Mar 05 18:28
DaemonFC	grin	Mar 05 18:29
schestowitz	http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/david-coombes/european-commission-is-more-democratic-than-british-cabinet	Mar 05 18:31
phIRCe-BNc	Title: The European Commission is more democratic than the British cabinet \| openDemocracy .::. Size~: 49 KB	Mar 05 18:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Come to my Lernid SHOWCASE session in 30mins - use Lernid or join #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat on Freenode!		Mar 05 18:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Come to my Lernid SHOWCASE session in 30mins - use Lernid or join #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat on Freenode!		Mar 05 18:41
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: So what you think of the new 10.04 stuff?	Mar 05 18:49
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DaemonFC	wish they'd decide where to put the window controls	Mar 05 18:52
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: it seems they have	Mar 05 18:52
DaemonFC	the last update supposedly moves them left but mine are still on the right	Mar 05 18:52
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: on the left	Mar 05 18:52
sebsebseb	I just did a daily build into vm	Mar 05 18:52
sebsebseb	and yep on the left	Mar 05 18:52
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: are you seeing a new Ubuntu boot up by any chance? I don't	Mar 05 18:52
schestowitz	http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Samba-3-5-release-includes-experimental-SMB2-support-944241.html	Mar 05 18:53
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Samba 3.5 release includes experimental SMB2 support - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 32.39 KB	Mar 05 18:53
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: Ubuntu is turning into a peice of junk really, I don't like the two new themes, and both Human versions have been removed :(	Mar 05 18:54
sebsebseb	DaemonFC: at least clearlooks is still there though :)	Mar 05 18:54
sebsebseb	Clearlooks is nice	Mar 05 18:55
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schestowitz	http://farmlandgrab.org/	Mar 05 19:01
schestowitz	Interesting	Mar 05 19:01
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Food crisis and the global land grab \| Governments and corporations are buying up farmland in other countries to grow their own food or simply to make money .::. Size~: 80.96 KB	Mar 05 19:01
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schestowitz	wb, balzac	Mar 05 19:05
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DaemonFC	yay	Mar 05 19:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] my Lernid showcase - how we put together Lernid and the technology/tools involved starts now in #ubuntu-classroom on freenode! #ubuntu		Mar 05 19:06
DaemonFC	I got them to display wrong	Mar 05 19:06
DaemonFC	and I hate it	Mar 05 19:07
DaemonFC	it does explain the window control brain damage from last night	Mar 05 19:07
schestowitz	Last night...	Mar 05 19:07
schestowitz	Heh.	Mar 05 19:07
schestowitz	Weird couple of night those last two	Mar 05 19:07
schestowitz	About 4 hours of sleep, then I feel like it's 6, no idea why	Mar 05 19:08
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schestowitz	http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/03/popular-science-puts-entire-scanned-archive-online-free/ go get some	Mar 05 19:10
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Popular Science Puts Entire Scanned Archive Online, Free \| Gadget Lab \| Wired.com .::. Size~: 86.85 KB	Mar 05 19:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Lib Dem [...] - http://bit.ly/aPmI4X "copyright infringement" just like "child pornography": 'nuff said		Mar 05 19:11
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Lib Dem peer on why site blocking is needed - ZDNet.co.uk .::. Size~: 104.71 KB	Mar 05 19:11
schestowitz	http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/gerry-hassan/goodbye-to-churchillism-from-munich-and-suez-to-iraq-war	Mar 05 19:12
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Goodbye to 'Churchillism': from Munich and Suez to the Iraq war \| openDemocracy .::. Size~: 49.89 KB	Mar 05 19:12
schestowitz	http://www.eff.org/wp/unintended-consequences-under-dmca	Mar 05 19:13
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Unintended Consequences: Twelve Years under the DMCA \| Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 130.71 KB	Mar 05 19:13
DaemonFC	Bruce Willis ftw	Mar 05 19:15
schestowitz	http://identi.ca/notice/23831249 "@schestowitz Are cops concerned about 'racial balance' there? They don't even pretend in the US, unless it hits the news."	Mar 05 19:15
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Walt Hucks (lnxwalt) 's status on Friday, 05-Mar-10 18:15:56 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.22 KB	Mar 05 19:15
DaemonFC	liberals	Mar 05 19:16
DaemonFC	can't live with them, can't curb stomp them	Mar 05 19:17
DaemonFC	sigh	Mar 05 19:17
schestowitz	Is that you GOP impression?	Mar 05 19:17
schestowitz	Ballot Screen Export http://arebentisch.wordpress.com/2010/03/03/ballot-screen-export/	Mar 05 19:18
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Ballot Screen Export « SkÃ¶ne Oke .::. Size~: 16.67 KB	Mar 05 19:18
DaemonFC	no, that's common sense	Mar 05 19:18
DaemonFC	not that I feel any different about the GOP	Mar 05 19:18
schestowitz	I don't know what to say..... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand	Mar 05 19:18
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Brand - Ubuntu Wiki .::. Size~: 20.82 KB	Mar 05 19:19
schestowitz	[]Without offending someone]	Mar 05 19:19
DaemonFC	http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8550779.stm	Mar 05 19:19
phIRCe-BNc	Title: BBC NEWS \| News Front Page .::. Size~: 89.78 KB	Mar 05 19:19
DaemonFC	Gordon Brown wuvs you	Mar 05 19:19
DaemonFC	:D	Mar 05 19:19
schestowitz	http://nobelprize.org/mediaplayer/index.php?id=1223	Mar 05 19:19
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Prize Lecture by Elinor Ostrom- Media Player at Nobelprize.org .::. Size~: 8.98 KB	Mar 05 19:19
schestowitz	DaemonFC: he stinks, literally	Mar 05 19:19
DaemonFC	halitosis?	Mar 05 19:19
schestowitz	A friend of mine took a photo with him and said he stank	Mar 05 19:19
schestowitz	"@lnxwalt I read some stories about non-suspicious being checked, inc. a friend"	Mar 05 19:19
DaemonFC	http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/6452/screenshotix.png	Mar 05 19:22
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB	Mar 05 19:22
schestowitz	http://tuxradar.com/content/canonical-unveils-shiny-new-ubuntu-branding "shiny"?	Mar 05 19:22
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Canonical unveils shiny new Ubuntu branding \| TuxRadar Linux .::. Size~: 30.04 KB	Mar 05 19:22
schestowitz	DaemonFOX: shotix?	Mar 05 19:22
DaemonFC	?	Mar 05 19:22
schestowitz	DaemonFC: looks OK	Mar 05 19:22
schestowitz	That's default?	Mar 05 19:22
schestowitz	Except wp?	Mar 05 19:22
DaemonFC	no, OS X wallpaper	Mar 05 19:22
DaemonFC	lulz	Mar 05 19:22
schestowitz	screenshotix.png	Mar 05 19:23
schestowitz	Is that a Linus distro?	Mar 05 19:23
schestowitz	ShotiX?	Mar 05 19:23
DaemonFC	no, it's crap that imageshack added	Mar 05 19:23
schestowitz	ok	Mar 05 19:23
schestowitz	I'm leaning away from Konq	Mar 05 19:23
schestowitz	Some things annoy me in it	Mar 05 19:24
schestowitz	Esp. the lag when loading some sites, as though it's a DNS thing	Mar 05 19:24
ender2070	awww	Mar 05 19:24
ender2070	i was hoping you would stick with it	Mar 05 19:24
schestowitz	I didn't give up	Mar 05 19:24
schestowitz	Firefox is big and bloated with too many plguins	Mar 05 19:24
ender2070	i dont like how google treats it	Mar 05 19:24
schestowitz	But I need some	Mar 05 19:24
schestowitz	And ogg support	Mar 05 19:24
ender2070	Did you check out Arora or Rekonq?	Mar 05 19:25
schestowitz	Google uses khtml	Mar 05 19:25
schestowitz	Webkhtmlkit	Mar 05 19:25
ender2070	nah	Mar 05 19:25
schestowitz	Arora is final 1.0 yet?	Mar 05 19:25
ender2070	webkit != khtml	Mar 05 19:25
schestowitz	Derived	Mar 05 19:25
ender2070	they are so different now	Mar 05 19:26
schestowitz	Google uses KDE code	Mar 05 19:26
ender2070	it doesnt matter	Mar 05 19:26
ender2070	webkit gets a full nokia staff	Mar 05 19:26
DaemonFC	schestowitz, http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9105/screenshotdp.png	Mar 05 19:26
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB	Mar 05 19:26
schestowitz	LXF slowed down again.... http://tuxradar.com/content/kernel-love-nvidia-and-nintendo	Mar 05 19:26
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Kernel love for Nvidia and Nintendo \| TuxRadar Linux .::. Size~: 17.71 KB	Mar 05 19:26
schestowitz	I thought they use html in maemo	Mar 05 19:27
schestowitz	DaemonFC: it misses the Ballmer mug	Mar 05 19:27
ender2070	nokia and apple pay for webkit dev	Mar 05 19:27
schestowitz	With the tongue sticking out	Mar 05 19:27
ender2070	khtml is all volunteer	Mar 05 19:27
schestowitz	n00b would say... aww..... Yahoo!... Google competition	Mar 05 19:27
DaemonFC	http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=203	Mar 05 19:27
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Canonical Store .::. Size~: 13.88 KB	Mar 05 19:27
schestowitz	The fools won't know what company they support	Mar 05 19:27
schestowitz	http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Mar-03.html	Mar 05 19:28
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Big Day in MonoLand - Miguel de Icaza .::. Size~: 13.81 KB	Mar 05 19:28
bruce89	incidentally WebKitGtk+ supports basically every media format	Mar 05 19:28
ender2070	webkit is more advanced	Mar 05 19:28
ender2070	though heres the thing	Mar 05 19:29
ender2070	a lot of people wont volunteer for webkit because they wont get paid	Mar 05 19:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Speech from the Throne - what the Canadian Government needs to do to strengthen copyright http://bit.ly/9YneMg		Mar 05 19:29
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Speech from the Throne « Through the Looking Glass .::. Size~: 86.86 KB	Mar 05 19:29
bruce89	ender2070: that's slightly... odd	Mar 05 19:30
ender2070	yeah	Mar 05 19:30
ender2070	i get their arguement though	Mar 05 19:30
bruce89	what's their argument?	Mar 05 19:31
ender2070	nokia and apple hire people to work on it, they dont want to do their job	Mar 05 19:31
bruce89	I see	Mar 05 19:31
ender2070	people dont want to do their job and not get paid	Mar 05 19:31
bruce89	could say the same about Linux too	Mar 05 19:31
ender2070	yeah	Mar 05 19:31
ender2070	which is why i dont buy it	Mar 05 19:31
ender2070	i dont mind webkit	Mar 05 19:31
ender2070	i love stuff that uses it	Mar 05 19:31
bruce89	probably just lingering resentment	Mar 05 19:31
MinceR	my main problem with konqueror is that whenever i try to save a picture to disk, it insists on downloading it again	Mar 05 19:32
MinceR	it might have been fixed since, though	Mar 05 19:32
MinceR	i guess i'll test it	Mar 05 19:32
ender2070	heres my only konquerer issue	Mar 05 19:32
ender2070	using gmail puts it into basic html mode	Mar 05 19:32
ender2070	no ajax	Mar 05 19:32
MinceR	that's not a konqueror issue, that's a google fail issue	Mar 05 19:32
ender2070	yes	Mar 05 19:33
MinceR	google thinks that "web standards" mean "ie, ff, chrome and safari"	Mar 05 19:33
ender2070	LOL	Mar 05 19:33
ender2070	so true	Mar 05 19:33
DaemonFC	http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6164/screenshotov.png	Mar 05 19:33
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KB	Mar 05 19:33
DaemonFC	Ubingtu	Mar 05 19:33
ender2070	it could do a better job hiding its strings though	Mar 05 19:33
ender2070	it should pretend to be firefox	Mar 05 19:34
bruce89	epiphany fakes to be safari I think	Mar 05 19:35
bruce89	well, it has the safari stuff in the UA as well as the ephy bit	Mar 05 19:35
MinceR	and screw up stats, making it appear as if people didn't use it?	Mar 05 19:35
ender2070	if I tell it to pretend, it should	Mar 05 19:36
ender2070	not every site out there fails	Mar 05 19:36
ender2070	its an option to use on crap sites	Mar 05 19:36
DaemonFC	schestowitz, http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?entry_id=58240	Mar 05 19:37
phIRCe-BNc	Title: The Technology Chronicles : Microsoft's Ballmer sees Bing at No. 1 -- eventually .::. Size~: 52.91 KB	Mar 05 19:37
DaemonFC	BALLMER!!!!!	Mar 05 19:37
DaemonFC	the man!	Mar 05 19:37
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 05 19:37
DaemonFC	well if he said it, it's a done deal	Mar 05 19:37
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 05 19:37
ender2070	he must be willing to spend billions buying people to leave google then	Mar 05 19:38
DaemonFC	nope, buying Ubuntu	Mar 05 19:38
DaemonFC	score	Mar 05 19:38
DaemonFC	opening shot	Mar 05 19:39
ender2070	oh Microbuntu	Mar 05 19:39
DaemonFC	I prefer Ballmerbuntu	Mar 05 19:39
DaemonFC	because then it's named after the legend	Mar 05 19:39
DaemonFC	B-)	Mar 05 19:39
ender2070	he might be leaving ms though	Mar 05 19:40
ender2070	iirc	Mar 05 19:40
DaemonFC	http://www.businessinsider.com/bing-quintupled-its-faceboook-fan-base-by-bribing-people-with-farmville-cash-2010-3	Mar 05 19:42
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Bing Quintupled Its Facebook Fan Base By Bribing People With FarmVille Cash .::. Size~: 82.4 KB	Mar 05 19:42
DaemonFC	:D	Mar 05 19:42
ender2070	if they released the code to IE you would probably find that running as default in Microbuntu	Mar 05 19:42
ender2070	heck I doubt they would have to go so far	Mar 05 19:43
ender2070	just a binary would get it there	Mar 05 19:43
DaemonFC	Microsoft spent $240,000 US to advertise in Farmville on Facebook	Mar 05 19:43
ender2070	lol	Mar 05 19:44
ender2070	farmville is a facebook app?	Mar 05 19:44
schestowitz	DaemonFC: so?	Mar 05 19:44
schestowitz	I see myself as Jesus.	Mar 05 19:44
schestowitz	:-)	Mar 05 19:44
ender2070	hey	Mar 05 19:44
schestowitz	Ballmer is delusional and self-servign	Mar 05 19:45
DaemonFC	stealing hubcaps off cars?	Mar 05 19:45
ender2070	you'll be misquoted for that one for sure	Mar 05 19:45
DaemonFC	yeah, he said he's Mexican	Mar 05 19:45
DaemonFC	which is clearly not true	Mar 05 19:45
ender2070	front page bbn "Roy thinks he is Jesus, _insanity_ keeps on ticking"	Mar 05 19:45
MinceR	ender2070: i thought it lied about UA by default :>	Mar 05 19:46
schestowitz	Humour detection broken	Mar 05 19:46
schestowitz	> Re: How do I access vidoes in the US that are blocked like Keith Olbermann ..	Mar 05 19:46
schestowitz	> I need a good proxy,	Mar 05 19:46
schestowitz	>	Mar 05 19:46
schestowitz	> http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Mark_Klein_-_AT_T_WhistleBlower.ogg	Mar 05 19:46
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Not a web page! Aborting video/ogg type .::. Size~: 0 KB	Mar 05 19:46
schestowitz	Is this blocked?	Mar 05 19:46
schestowitz	Even on Youtube?	Mar 05 19:46
schestowitz	Can't be...	Mar 05 19:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #IE6 "funeral": failed theatric, deflected by #Microsoft into mkting opportunity thx to #Slashdot & an #IT press that doesn't get the point		Mar 05 19:47
schestowitz	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8551122.stm	Mar 05 19:48
phIRCe-BNc	Title: BBC NEWS \| News Front Page .::. Size~: 89.78 KB	Mar 05 19:48
schestowitz	"S Korea child 'starves as parents raise virtual baby'"	Mar 05 19:48
schestowitz	Probably just headline digging	Mar 05 19:48
ender2070	lol	Mar 05 19:48
schestowitz	ender2070: BTW, the trolls only advertise BN by trolling it	Mar 05 19:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] If you want #IE6 to stop costing you time and money, stop supporting it. Prove to your clients #Microsoft is irrelevant. Skip theatrics.		Mar 05 19:48
ender2070	schestowitz - yes, that I love	Mar 05 19:48
schestowitz	So let those kids play AFAIC	Mar 05 19:48
ender2070	schestowitz - theres no such thing as bad publicity	Mar 05 19:49
sebsebseb	http://interviews.slashdot.org/story/10/03/02/186206/Matt-Asay-Answers-Your-Questions-About-Ubuntu-and-Canonical	Mar 05 19:49
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Slashdot Interviews Story \| Matt Asay Answers Your Questions About Ubuntu and Canonical .::. Size~: 184.32 KB	Mar 05 19:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Same applies to #IE7, #IE8, #IE9 and everything else #Microsoft does. The time has come to ignore them.		Mar 05 19:49
schestowitz	ender2070: check this out:	Mar 05 19:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] We can no longer afford products, for their own selfish/cynical reasons, which do not follow standards. Waste ruled 90s, not '10s #Microsoft		Mar 05 19:51
schestowitz	http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/24/bill-gates-malaria-vaccines-opinions-contributors-henry-i-miller_print.html	Mar 05 19:51
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Forbes.com - Magazine Article .::. Size~: 10.07 KB	Mar 05 19:51
schestowitz	I have read it in a cursory fashion	Mar 05 19:52
schestowitz	See what you make of it	Mar 05 19:52
schestowitz	people whisper about his suggestions at TED that vaccination is also used for sterilisation	Mar 05 19:52
schestowitz	This one is about DDT	Mar 05 19:52
schestowitz	And it's new	Mar 05 19:52
schestowitz	"But policies based on science and data enjoy a short half-life at the UN. Last year, with a notable absence of fanfare, WHO reverted to endorsing less effective methods for preventing malaria. In a May 6 statement the WHO and the UN Environment Program announced that their goal was "to achieve a 30% cut in the application of DDT worldwide by 2014 and its total phase-out by the early 2020s, if not sooner." In the absence of effective	Mar 05 19:52
schestowitz	vaccines or new anti-malarial drugs--and the funding and infrastructure to deliver them--this decision is tantamount to mass murder, a triumph of radical enviro-politics over public health."	Mar 05 19:52
schestowitz	http://www.elivecd.org/Main/News/elive-stable-2.0-topaz-released	Mar 05 19:53
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Where Debian meets Enlightenment .::. Size~: 14.64 KB	Mar 05 19:53
schestowitz	]0/	Mar 05 19:53
ender2070	bam	Mar 05 19:53
ender2070	I told you	Mar 05 19:53
ender2070	dude, I read books by Bill Gate's peers (elitists) who talk about this same thing	Mar 05 19:54
ender2070	Bertrand Russell said in the 50's that they would use innoculations and vaccines to sterlize and reduce the population	Mar 05 19:55
ender2070	the fact its happening validates his writings	Mar 05 19:55
MinceR	i'd sterilize gates	Mar 05 19:55
MinceR	with an extra high dose, just to make sure	Mar 05 19:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Tymlee but my tweet was about the way #Chilcot - ostensibly seeking accountability - instead became a revisionist soapbox for warmongery		Mar 05 19:55
ender2070	the elite don't want billions of people around consuming all the food they might need for their bloodlines	Mar 05 19:55
DaemonFC	they should sterilize the populations in countries that otherwise have 20 kids to die of starvation or AIDS	Mar 05 19:56
DaemonFC	less suffering	Mar 05 19:56
ender2070	or	Mar 05 19:56
ender2070	get them some wealth so they reduce their own populations	Mar 05 19:56
DaemonFC	handouts	Mar 05 19:57
DaemonFC	yay	Mar 05 19:57
ender2070	not handouts	Mar 05 19:57
ender2070	stop western companies from robbing resources they already own	Mar 05 19:57
ender2070	china can handle itself	Mar 05 19:58
ender2070	it has the money to stop polluting, and its already taken the totalitarian approach to population control	Mar 05 19:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "a single individual who had issues," hmm. @ludovicspeaks what do you think. We're seeing a lot of these unhinged "single white individuals"		Mar 05 20:04
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, Walmart was on the #1 spot on Fortune 500's Most Admired Companies list in 2004, right in the midst of the off the clock lawsuit scandal even. It has nothing to do with anything except being able to turn cash.	Mar 05 20:16
DaemonFC	by that benchmark, Microsoft being absent tells you EXACTLY what investors think of their prospects	Mar 05 20:16
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: thats a little off	Mar 05 20:17
Diablo-D3	you should only measure their stock performance	Mar 05 20:17
Diablo-D3	thats the only benchmark of what investors think	Mar 05 20:17
DaemonFC	stock performance is only useful in aggregate	Mar 05 20:17
Diablo-D3	not really.	Mar 05 20:17
DaemonFC	Novell's didn't jump 26% overnight cause they announced record profits	Mar 05 20:17
Diablo-D3	because that was one day	Mar 05 20:18
Diablo-D3	Im talking over a year	Mar 05 20:18
Diablo-D3	or more	Mar 05 20:18
DaemonFC	Microsoft stock is stagnant, and another reason why stock doesn't matter is because Microsoft and top execs could be going all Enron on the shareholders	Mar 05 20:19
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: except	Mar 05 20:19
Diablo-D3	you just said what I said	Mar 05 20:19
Diablo-D3	[03:11:08] <DaemonFC> Microsoft stock is stagnant	Mar 05 20:19
Diablo-D3	which means microsoft is dead.	Mar 05 20:19
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Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: walmart isnt exactly the world's greatest performing stock either	Mar 05 20:22
Diablo-D3	but at least it moves up periodically	Mar 05 20:22
DaemonFC	Diablo-D3, That's the problem with being the biggest company on the planet	Mar 05 20:22
DaemonFC	growth potential	Mar 05 20:22
DaemonFC	that's where investors look	Mar 05 20:23
Diablo-D3	why do you think I have a large percentage of small caps in my portfolio?	Mar 05 20:23
DaemonFC	Walmart is stable	Mar 05 20:23
DaemonFC	you probably wouldn't LOSE anything on them	Mar 05 20:23
DaemonFC	but the potential gain isn't there either	Mar 05 20:23
Diablo-D3	its like two thirds small caps, two thirds of that last third is medium cap, whats left is large cap	Mar 05 20:23
DaemonFC	Diablo-D3, If I have one store how many does it take to double my growth?	Mar 05 20:24
DaemonFC	one more	Mar 05 20:24
DaemonFC	If I have 20,000 stores, and I add one, ho hum	Mar 05 20:25
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: yes but	Mar 05 20:25
Diablo-D3	Im not disagreeing with you here	Mar 05 20:25
DaemonFC	barely grew at all	Mar 05 20:25
Diablo-D3	wmt has, for example, only recently been even worth investing in again	Mar 05 20:25
Diablo-D3	and even then, I hold it as part of a portfolio if 200.	Mar 05 20:25
Diablo-D3	*of	Mar 05 20:25
DaemonFC	yeah, they're moving on to conquer and oppress the people of the same third world countries their suppliers are in	Mar 05 20:25
DaemonFC	:P	Mar 05 20:25
DaemonFC	Only one store in the world ever voted in a union	Mar 05 20:26
DaemonFC	it was in Canada	Mar 05 20:26
DaemonFC	profitable store	Mar 05 20:26
DaemonFC	Walmart closed it immediately to make an example of them	Mar 05 20:27
Diablo-D3	unions are worthless shit though	Mar 05 20:27
Diablo-D3	its just more corrupt beurocracy	Mar 05 20:27
DaemonFC	that's what they teach managers to think	Mar 05 20:27
DaemonFC	but it's not really true	Mar 05 20:27
Diablo-D3	no fuckers going to tell me to go on strike just because THEY'RE not getting paid enough	Mar 05 20:27
DaemonFC	you could hardly do worse than what Walmart pays	Mar 05 20:28
Diablo-D3	well no, I could get fired.	Mar 05 20:28
Diablo-D3	which is quite worse.	Mar 05 20:28
DaemonFC	Meijer is unionized and they pay people better	Mar 05 20:28
DaemonFC	and guarantee at least so many hours a week	Mar 05 20:28
Diablo-D3	why do you think silicon valley kept the unions out?	Mar 05 20:28
Diablo-D3	because its bullshit	Mar 05 20:28
Diablo-D3	big business, the government, AND unions just want to steal your hard earned money	Mar 05 20:29
DaemonFC	no, because managers illegally threaten employees who want something better	Mar 05 20:29
Diablo-D3	they all work together to do it	Mar 05 20:29
Diablo-D3	so yes, unions are part of the problem	Mar 05 20:29
DaemonFC	union busting is always for the company bottom line	Mar 05 20:29
Diablo-D3	I refuse to work for a company that has a union	Mar 05 20:29
DaemonFC	so the employees can make starvation wages and have no negotiating ability	Mar 05 20:29
Diablo-D3	yes, I _do_ have negotiating ability	Mar 05 20:30
Diablo-D3	I quit.	Mar 05 20:30
Diablo-D3	OOH WHAT CAN THEY DO TO ME NOW	Mar 05 20:30
DaemonFC	that's not a threat	Mar 05 20:30
DaemonFC	having 300 people walk out over something evil management did is a threat	Mar 05 20:30
DaemonFC	the store closes down and loses millions of dollars	Mar 05 20:31
Diablo-D3	well, no its not a threat per say	Mar 05 20:31
Diablo-D3	its just that they're no longer a threat to me	Mar 05 20:31
DaemonFC	the management would get reasonable quickly	Mar 05 20:31
DaemonFC	I've worked union and non-union	Mar 05 20:32
DaemonFC	can tell you that the health insurance was a lot better with the union job	Mar 05 20:32
DaemonFC	no premium, no co-pay, no deductible	Mar 05 20:32
Diablo-D3	lol	Mar 05 20:32
Diablo-D3	you're trying to play the health insurance card	Mar 05 20:32
Diablo-D3	lolololol	Mar 05 20:32
DaemonFC	it was good insurance	Mar 05 20:33
Diablo-D3	dude, if the government WORKED we wouldnt have this problem!	Mar 05 20:33
DaemonFC	well it doesn't, so we do	Mar 05 20:33
DaemonFC	:)	Mar 05 20:33
DaemonFC	companies like to work you until you're too sick or injured to move	Mar 05 20:34
DaemonFC	then they discard you and replace you with someone younger who works for less	Mar 05 20:34
Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: no see	Mar 05 20:34
Diablo-D3	thats the moron way of doing shit	Mar 05 20:34
Diablo-D3	you dont form unions because the government doesnt work	Mar 05 20:34
DaemonFC	works for them	Mar 05 20:34
Diablo-D3	you FIX THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT	Mar 05 20:34
DaemonFC	government works for them too	Mar 05 20:35
DaemonFC	Walmart actually does want the feds to tackle healthcare because they already refer employees to emergency programs like food stamps and Medicaid anyway	Mar 05 20:35
DaemonFC	so it doesn't surprise me	Mar 05 20:35
DaemonFC	http://www.democraticwings.com/democraticwings/archives/womens_rights/1318.php	Mar 05 20:38
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Diablo-D3	DaemonFC: did I mention the government also makes the laws about minimum wage?	Mar 05 20:39
DaemonFC	yeah, but those are not appropriate as implemented	Mar 05 20:40
schestowitz	Here's DaemonFOX: :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81lK87r1RTM	Mar 05 20:40
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DaemonFC	I say minimum wage should be around $9 an hour	Mar 05 20:40
DaemonFC	and from there, pegged to inflation	Mar 05 20:40
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Why would I do something like that?	Mar 05 20:42
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOBikMoItV8	Mar 05 20:44
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schestowitz	LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxe_kwc8klw	Mar 05 20:45
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schestowitz	Maybe fake	Mar 05 20:45
DaemonFC	http://www.kcra.com/mostpopular/22751462/detail.html	Mar 05 20:53
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Diamond Foods Told To Change Labels - Most Popular News Story - KCRA Sacramento .::. Size~: 60.57 KB	Mar 05 20:53
DaemonFC	http://www.gamespot.com/news/6252982.html	Mar 05 20:55
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Xbox Live now allowing gay, religious gamertags - News at GameSpot .::. Size~: 163.79 KB	Mar 05 20:55
MinceR	i've just tested: konqueror's save functionality has been fixed.	Mar 05 20:56
*DaemonFC can't wait to frag transgendertittytwister69		Mar 05 20:57
DaemonFC	Microsoft wouldn't want to leave anyone out	Mar 05 20:57
DaemonFC	schestowitz, You can actually change you name for free, instead of paying the $10	Mar 05 20:57
DaemonFC	have all your friends "report" you current name and the system will make you change it	Mar 05 20:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @CBS12 Lawmakers say it's time to lift ban on gay blood donations http://bit.ly/ccTzTf		Mar 05 21:01
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Lawmakers say it's time to lift ban on gay blood donations \| lift, ban, say - Top Story - CBS Channel 12 News .::. Size~: 57.23 KB	Mar 05 21:01
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MinceR	or you could just change it anytime, free of charge, if you played sane games on a sane platform	Mar 05 21:08
MinceR	"I understand the need for conformity. Without a concise set of rules to follow we would probably all have to resort to common sense. Discipline is the key to conformity and it is important that we learn not to question authority at an early age." >> http://www.27bslash6.com/flash.html	Mar 05 21:11
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cubezzz	eh? not question authority? :)	Mar 05 21:11
schestowitz	LMAO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFQrs495WWQ	Mar 05 21:13
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DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2010/03/hands-on-a-close-look-at-ubuntus-new-non-brown-theme.ars	Mar 05 21:14
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DaemonFC	http://www.cbs12.com/news/lift-4724547-ban-say.html	Mar 05 21:14
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Lawmakers say it's time to lift ban on gay blood donations \| lift, ban, say - Top Story - CBS Channel 12 News .::. Size~: 57.17 KB	Mar 05 21:14
DaemonFC	FDA continues to support a senseless, discriminatory, and nonsensical ban based on junk science from 1983 in order to persecute gay people	Mar 05 21:15
DaemonFC	and it's cause of Bush's plants and burrowing before he left office	Mar 05 21:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] #freeview Crystal Palace ITV/C4 Mux gone phut?		Mar 05 21:20
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cubezzz	guy wanted my old wintv card :)	Mar 05 21:24
cubezzz	had to pull it out of my machine	Mar 05 21:24
cubezzz	had to have composite video in	Mar 05 21:25
cubezzz	couldn't find a new card that still had that	Mar 05 21:25
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schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LzMAXqu8qU	Mar 05 21:30
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schestowitz	Watch the end	Mar 05 21:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .@pennyred thinks she was writing an outrageous provoking fiction, when actually describing the gay press right now http://is.gd/9M9dk		Mar 05 21:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Google defies all credibility after their Buzz fuckery http://is.gd/9M9za "we are SOOO into privacy" No. No, you're not.		Mar 05 21:37
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schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-6Tn0Ie-AQ	Mar 05 21:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] For the record, not that anyone asked for my opinion, I frankly don't care where the close icon is on a window. Keyboard > Mouse.		Mar 05 21:43
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Truth about Chatroul--OH GOD WHAT http://ur1.ca/oifs #dailyshow #awesome		Mar 05 21:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Some lovely photos from Peru. http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/05/bob-harris-trip-to-t.html		Mar 05 21:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] gPodder/rhythmbox now replace iTunes. No 'need' for the Mac in the kitchen other than it looks less shit than every other PC I own.		Mar 05 21:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] My mum is now following me on twitter - I am now following her (she is @muttoninn named after our pub) - follow her!		Mar 05 21:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I am now showing her how to use it on the phone.		Mar 05 21:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I don't think there is enough love in the world that can describe how much I adore Iron Maiden. Rock and roll, friends, rock and roll.		Mar 05 22:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] New Shot Of Jaq today! Bridging The Bug Gap - http://is.gd/9MjzK #shotofjaq		Mar 05 22:29
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Shot of Jaq » Bridging The Bug Gap .::. Size~: 42.46 KB	Mar 05 22:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] While no one denys the comedy of the keyboard cat music, the second song is funnier in my mind - http://is.gd/9MjTH - comedy gold!		Mar 05 22:31
phIRCe-BNc	Title: YouTube- Charlie Schmidt's "Keyboard Cat"! .::. Size~: 83.23 KB	Mar 05 22:31
schestowitz	tessier__: the server stopped delivering suddenly	Mar 05 22:37
schestowitz	I noticed it happening once in a whole	Mar 05 22:37
schestowitz	*while	Mar 05 22:37
*oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #boycottnovell		Mar 05 22:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 thanks a lot for the mentions! Appreciated		Mar 05 22:41
schestowitz	"@glynmoody yes, watch this one from 3 days ago: http://www.youtube.com/user/cveitch#p/u/2/r9bfmW3iMqk "	Mar 05 22:44
phIRCe-BNc	Title: YouTube- cveitch's Channel .::. Size~: 91.12 KB	Mar 05 22:44
schestowitz	Site's acting up (Server)....	Mar 05 22:44
Diablo-D3	Author : steven (IP: 173.81.132.123 , 173-81-132-123-chrm.atw.dyn.suddenlink.net)	Mar 05 22:44
Diablo-D3	E-mail : darkwingz@yahoo.com	Mar 05 22:44
Diablo-D3	Comment:	Mar 05 22:44
Diablo-D3	RMS is a smelly hippie who hasn't done anything for the software community since his early work on emacs and gcc. He's a worthless political hack whose only goal is to undermine advancement in software by grouping it in with other things that commies tend to think everyone has a free right to.	Mar 05 22:44
MinceR	typical luser who didn't do his research.	Mar 05 22:48
schestowitz	Yahoo=Microsoft :-D	Mar 05 22:49
MinceR	Microhoo	Mar 05 22:49
schestowitz	pwnt!!	Mar 05 22:49
schestowitz	http://rawstory.com/2010/03/fbi-paid-racist-shock-jock-hal-turner-in-excess-100000/	Mar 05 22:49
phIRCe-BNc	Title: FBI paid racist shock jock Hal Turner in excess of $100,0002 \| Raw Story .::. Size~: 46.88 KB	Mar 05 22:49
MinceR	it isn't funny how few music players can shuffle the playlist.	Mar 05 22:49
MinceR	(and no, songbird can't do it either)	Mar 05 22:50
Diablo-D3	ORLY?!	Mar 05 22:51
Diablo-D3	hal fucking turner	Mar 05 22:51
Diablo-D3	bane of /b/tards everywhere	Mar 05 22:52
MinceR	what did he do?	Mar 05 22:52
Diablo-D3	hes a fucking total dumbass	Mar 05 22:52
Diablo-D3	hes a racist, a liar, and a cheat	Mar 05 22:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Thanks at least in part to @sil I am now listening to lots more good music, and less crappy podcasts		Mar 05 22:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sophie (6) seems addicted to "Where's Wally" (Waldo in USA) books. I think tomorrow will be a quiet Saturday.		Mar 05 22:56
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] FBI paid racist shock jock Hal Turner ‘in excess of $100,000′ http://ur1.ca/oikz		Mar 05 22:57
phIRCe-BNc	Title: FBI paid racist shock jock Hal Turner in excess of $100,0002 \| Raw Story .::. Size~: 46.88 KB	Mar 05 22:57
schestowitz	http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Who_uses_Fedora.3F	Mar 05 22:57
schestowitz	TOTAL UNIQUE IPs: 19,767,948	Mar 05 22:57
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Statistics - FedoraProject .::. Size~: 27.15 KB	Mar 05 22:57
schestowitz	Accuracy of metrics	Mar 05 22:57
schestowitz	The numbers above for yum represent unique IP addresses that reach our	Mar 05 22:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Massive apologies to @sil though for filing yet more bugs in Ubuntu One Music store. Sorry.		Mar 05 22:57
schestowitz	update server, not simply downloads. We believe it is reasonable to	Mar 05 22:57
schestowitz	equate a "new IP address checking in" with "a new installation of	Mar 05 22:57
schestowitz	Fedora", with the following caveats:	Mar 05 22:57
schestowitz	1. Users who have dynamic IP addresses will likely be counted	Mar 05 22:57
schestowitz	multiple times, which inflates the number by some amount.	Mar 05 22:58
schestowitz	2. Users who are behind NAT or corporate proxies will not be	Mar 05 22:58
schestowitz	counted at all.	Mar 05 22:58
schestowitz	The anecdotal evidence that we receive from different groups,	Mar 05 22:58
schestowitz	companies, and organizations suggests that group (2) is	Mar 05 22:58
schestowitz	significantly larger than group (1). As such, we believe that the	Mar 05 22:58
schestowitz	true numbers in the field are higher than the numbers on this	Mar 05 22:58
schestowitz	page.	Mar 05 22:58
Diablo-D3	http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/73mNfl39rPQ/Microsoft-Sends-Flowers-To-Internet-Explorer-6-Funeral	Mar 05 23:04
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Google FeedBurner .::. Size~: 11.51 KB	Mar 05 23:04
Diablo-D3	HAHAHAHAHAH	Mar 05 23:04
Diablo-D3	wow	Mar 05 23:04
Diablo-D3	well played, microsoft	Mar 05 23:04
MinceR	but not ie6?	Mar 05 23:05
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Lead-free material may make it easier and cheaper to make "stacked" chips with more computing power. http://ur1.ca/oim4 !science		Mar 05 23:12
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] 'Negatively strange' antihypermatter made out of gold http://ur1.ca/oimi !science		Mar 05 23:12
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Technology Review: Magnetic Solder to Wire 3-D Chips .::. Size~: 72.24 KB	Mar 05 23:12
phIRCe-BNc	Title: 'Negatively strange' antihypermatter made out of gold • The Register .::. Size~: 24.97 KB	Mar 05 23:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Today's "wtf" from Wholesale and Job Lots http://is.gd/9MsDn "bankrupt stock" no shit.		Mar 05 23:19
phIRCe-BNc	Title: JOB LOT OF 144 x WOODEN BENDY SHARK on eBay (end time 26-Mar-10 01:18:08 GMT) .::. Size~: 73.63 KB	Mar 05 23:19
oiaohm	That sending flowers and other odd things has been part of the IE team for ages.	Mar 05 23:24
oiaohm	Netscape and the IE team sent each other a lot of warped items.	Mar 05 23:24
oiaohm	http://www.flickr.com/photos/jollyjake/278562314/ Even the mozilla team still gets stuff.	Mar 05 23:25
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Microsoft sends a congratulation cake to Mozilla on Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 104.11 KB	Mar 05 23:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] The Grand App Writing Challenge Submissions! http://is.gd/9MtWm - folks who scratched their itch this week and rocked it! #ubuntu		Mar 05 23:26
phIRCe-BNc	Title: The Grand App Writing Challenge Submissions! \| jonobacon@home .::. Size~: 32.58 KB	Mar 05 23:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @juliemiller1: i love that fact that @jonobacon's mom, @muttoninn is twittering! gives me hope for all of momkind.		Mar 05 23:30
schestowitz	AFAIK, IE6 (or IE) is written mostly in China or India	Mar 05 23:32
schestowitz	They do patching for a low wage	Mar 05 23:33
schestowitz	Microsoft is very messed up	Mar 05 23:33
schestowitz	Internally too	Mar 05 23:33
schestowitz	Maybe they'll get laid off	Mar 05 23:34
schestowitz	Microsoft has no new projects	Mar 05 23:34
schestowitz	How do they patch IE6 for WInMob?	Mar 05 23:35
schestowitz	Blech. I can't link to Asay's junk today. He echoes Microsoft press release	Mar 05 23:35
schestowitz	he thinks the number they name are real	Mar 05 23:35
schestowitz	Like Mozilla flaunting over a billion download	Mar 05 23:35
schestowitz	And maybe Canonical can claim 100 million	Mar 05 23:35
schestowitz	Let's tweet a little...........	Mar 05 23:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More New Users of #GNU #Linux Receives Introduction at Learning Centres http://ur1.ca/oipi http://ur1.ca/oipj		Mar 05 23:46
phIRCe-BNc	Title: The Blog of Helios: Linux Learning Centers Growing in Central Texas .::. Size~: 97.43 KB	Mar 05 23:46
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Embedded Systems: Evolution of GNU/Linux system..must read for Linux newbies .::. Size~: 77.57 KB	Mar 05 23:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Yes! Loading the public timelines now works in #elmdentica svn...		Mar 05 23:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'Getting #fashion advice from Focus on the Family: About as wise as getting marital advice from Alec Baldwin.' http://bit.ly/a15AAt #shiloh		Mar 05 23:48
phIRCe-BNc	Title: Shiloh Jolie-Pitt: Preschool gender warrior - Gender - Salon.com .::. Size~: 57.38 KB	Mar 05 23:48
_Goblin_	hello all	Mar 05 23:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fantastic Looks/Views of #GNU #Linux, #UrbanLabs OS is Coming http://ur1.ca/oipw http://ur1.ca/oipx		Mar 05 23:49
phIRCe-BNc	Title: You must be new here. \| TuxRadar Linux .::. Size~: 11.5 KB	Mar 05 23:49
phIRCe-BNc	Title: open...: UrbanLabs OS: Not What You Think... .::. Size~: 95.13 KB	Mar 05 23:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Two New Audiocasts About #GNU #Linux : #TLLTS , #TuxRadar http://ur1.ca/oiq3 http://ur1.ca/oiq5		Mar 05 23:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] .@arkadyrose says I can't get this one http://is.gd/9MyzA she is MEAN.		Mar 05 23:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Tops Reliability List in Web Server, Rules 6 out of 10 Top Positions http://ur1.ca/oiq8		Mar 05 23:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Balance Between Driver Optimality and Freedom in the #Linux #Kernel http://ur1.ca/oiqk		Mar 05 23:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC Developers Post Videos, Have New Showcase for the Software Suite http://ur1.ca/oiqs http://ur1.ca/oiqu		Mar 05 23:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC 4.4 Targets Windows Users to Teach Them #GNU #Linux is Fun and Easy http://ur1.ca/ocl5 http://ur1.ca/oir2		Mar 05 23:59

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