| ender2070 | crack economists? | Apr 11 00:04 |
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| ender2070 | lol | Apr 11 00:04 |
| ender2070 | they could just say drug dealers | Apr 11 00:04 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 11 00:06 |
| schestowitz | ^_^ | Apr 11 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's business is so messed up now that it's fun watching news abut it | Apr 11 00:24 |
| schestowitz | I'll make posts 'round Monday | Apr 11 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2010/4/9/microsoft-webmail-issues-unacceptable/ | Apr 11 00:25 |
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| _goblin | hi all | Apr 11 00:39 |
| _goblin | I see TBI has removed itself from filesharing cases | Apr 11 00:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] On way home | Apr 11 00:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "Now I know Timmy pulled on your pigtails, but that’s no reason to tell the whole class that you hope Timmy chokes on a bucket of cocks." | Apr 11 00:54 | |
| schestowitz | ender2070: cubezzz: http://www.examiner.com/x-25167-Montreal-Parenting-Examiner~y2010m4d7-Microsoft-encourages-Canadian-youth-to-take-internet-safety-seriously | Apr 11 00:56 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Zenity - add GUI dialogs to your shell scripts ! http://post.ly/ZNpw | Apr 11 00:59 | |
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| cubezzz | checking | Apr 11 01:01 |
| cubezzz | but that's Microsoft, lol | Apr 11 01:01 |
| cubezzz | ok, I will take safety seriously and not use Microsoft products | Apr 11 01:02 |
| cubezzz | btw Microsoft Canada sucks | Apr 11 01:04 |
| cubezzz | they are a snarky bunch | Apr 11 01:04 |
| cubezzz | AROS on Amiga ftw :) | Apr 11 01:05 |
| cubezzz | missed out on an AMiga 3000 last night, oh well | Apr 11 01:06 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 11 01:10 |
| ender2070 | quebec sells out to ms all the time | Apr 11 01:12 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: I know, will post soon abt it | Apr 11 01:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 Your "friend" Friedman becomes a Microsoft voice http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/200726.asp?from=blog_last3 | Apr 11 01:13 | |
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| cubezzz | anyways, the choices are there for non x86 systems | Apr 11 01:27 |
| cubezzz | the fact of the matter remains, you can't program your video chips, not easily | Apr 11 01:28 |
| cubezzz | unless you get OCS or ECS chip Amiga | Apr 11 01:28 |
| schestowitz | David Worthington still Microsoft boosting http://technologizer.com/2010/04/05/who-needs-syncing/ | Apr 11 01:28 |
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| cubezzz | the best way to learn is to try stuff for yourself, don't rely on web pages or pundits | Apr 11 01:29 |
| schestowitz | The Wikipedia API works again in Amarok | Apr 11 01:29 |
| schestowitz | It's quite nice to have artists' bios displayed on the fly :-) | Apr 11 01:29 |
| schestowitz | Did you see Wikipedia's new theme? | Apr 11 01:29 |
| cubezzz | Apple will boost Apple, Microsoft will boost windows, but when someone uses an Amiga today you _know_ they really love it | Apr 11 01:30 |
| schestowitz | But... | Apr 11 01:31 |
| schestowitz | This is not about them boosting selves | Apr 11 01:31 |
| schestowitz | It's about publications that pretend to be unbiased | Apr 11 01:31 |
| schestowitz | ANd David does this in multiple ones | Apr 11 01:32 |
| schestowitz | it's his Mono and Moonlight boosting we have an issue with | Apr 11 01:32 |
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| cubezzz | my point exactly schestowitz | Apr 11 01:33 |
| cubezzz | obviously you can't rely on the web by itself | Apr 11 01:33 |
| cubezzz | web forums, yes there's more honesty there | Apr 11 01:34 |
| cubezzz | I can't imagine anyone who knows their stuff boosting Microsoft and closed source | Apr 11 01:34 |
| schestowitz | They get paid | Apr 11 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Ads and all | Apr 11 01:35 |
| schestowitz | THey choose money over info | Apr 11 01:35 |
| cubezzz | I have nothing to do with Tyan yet I boost Tyan | Apr 11 01:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_the_mad_hatter did you PM me, or was it spam? | Apr 11 01:35 | |
| cubezzz | only reason, I think they make great motherboards | Apr 11 01:35 |
| schestowitz | There's no money in promoting FS | Apr 11 01:36 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yeah, phoronix likes them | Apr 11 01:36 |
| cubezzz | I like Amiga too but... | Apr 11 01:36 |
| cubezzz | let's face it, it's for die hard programmers/hackers | Apr 11 01:37 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, you can actually make a little money boosting FOSS via http://osdisc.com | Apr 11 01:38 |
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| cubezzz | it's not the money part I have a problem with | Apr 11 01:39 |
| cubezzz | it's the lack of choices in the marketplace | Apr 11 01:40 |
| cubezzz | Intel very well could become a CPU monopolist | Apr 11 01:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] So, how did webkit pass acid3? Special-casing the benchmark in code, of course http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/31322 | Apr 11 01:41 | |
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| ender2070 | they have become a monopolist | Apr 11 01:43 |
| ender2070 | amd settled with them in court, nothing was done except amd getting paid | Apr 11 01:43 |
| cubezzz | it's more of a duopoly | Apr 11 01:43 |
| cubezzz | not really ideal but, that's what we have now | Apr 11 01:44 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Richard Dawkins has a nutsack *this big* http://ur1.ca/uhen #awesome | Apr 11 01:48 | |
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| ender2070 | lol | Apr 11 01:48 |
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| yuhong | You know that Steve Jobs has always been a fan of closed systems? Here is a history article posted to slashdot: | Apr 11 01:54 |
| yuhong | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/04/07/1347214/The-Apple-Two | Apr 11 01:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup | Apr 11 01:55 |
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| cubezzz | I can believe it | Apr 11 01:56 |
| cubezzz | I'm not a Jobs fan | Apr 11 01:56 |
| cubezzz | more of a Woz fan | Apr 11 01:56 |
| cubezzz | ipod and ipad, no thanks | Apr 11 01:57 |
| ender2070 | the iTampon leaks, but the ipad always catches | Apr 11 01:59 |
| cubezzz | there's quite a divide between programmers and users now | Apr 11 01:59 |
| cubezzz | in the past, all users were also programmers | Apr 11 01:59 |
| yuhong | iTampon? Funny! | Apr 11 01:59 |
| cubezzz | if you go further back, all computer users were hardware hackers | Apr 11 02:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Shoq .@davidfrum Have you considered dumping conservatism altogether? It worked out pretty well for Arianna // AH merely hedged her bets | Apr 11 02:00 | |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - yeah they were thats what sucks about computers now | Apr 11 02:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] finding lots of me being a dick on my "bucket of cocks" trawl. if only I were motivated to fix my shallow and irritating personality at all. | Apr 11 02:02 | |
| cubezzz | Radio Shack used to sell computer logic kits to teach kids about logic chips | Apr 11 02:02 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] CNN is a bunch of biased #douchebags, but I think we all knew this already http://ur1.ca/uhje | Apr 11 02:03 | |
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| cubezzz | Eruaran, logic gates rather | Apr 11 02:03 |
| cubezzz | Eruaran, let's try that again :) | Apr 11 02:03 |
| cubezzz | er, logic gates rather | Apr 11 02:03 |
| cubezzz | dammit xchat... stop expanding stuff | Apr 11 02:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@schestowitz @qu1j0t3 #Friedman becomes a #Microsoft voice // yes, already tweeted about that idiotic column and its Mundie quotes. #greed | Apr 11 02:03 | |
| ender2070 | dammit xchat... stop delaying linux dev & features | Apr 11 02:04 |
| schestowitz | How Microsoft "1% market share"-type lies work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrNIuFrso8I | Apr 11 02:05 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, yuhong | Apr 11 02:05 |
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| cubezzz | automatic nick completion off :) | Apr 11 02:05 |
| cubezzz | there we go | Apr 11 02:05 |
| cubezzz | you scared him off :) | Apr 11 02:05 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 11 02:05 |
| cubezzz | before the logic kit there was a mechanical computer kit | Apr 11 02:06 |
| cubezzz | from the 50's | Apr 11 02:06 |
| cubezzz | with gears, inclined planes and ball bearings | Apr 11 02:06 |
| cubezzz | when you think about it a mechanical computer would be neat | Apr 11 02:09 |
| schestowitz | *LMAO* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdxC4byyoE4 | Apr 11 02:14 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] won't work, but totally worth it for teh lulz http://is.gd/bnElB | Apr 11 02:16 | |
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| cubezzz | just let the priests marry | Apr 11 02:19 |
| cubezzz | then you avoid all this nonsense | Apr 11 02:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbFG-jmpXJI | Apr 11 02:20 |
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| ender2070 | c is damned easy | Apr 11 02:32 |
| cubezzz | it's straightforward | Apr 11 02:33 |
| ender2070 | what i like is how small it is as a language | Apr 11 02:35 |
| cubezzz | it's been the main language for a while now | Apr 11 02:36 |
| ender2070 | the book im using is 192 pages long (with reference work) | Apr 11 02:36 |
| cubezzz | one of the main ones anyway | Apr 11 02:36 |
| cubezzz | Kernighan and Ritchie? | Apr 11 02:36 |
| ender2070 | no this is a newer one | Apr 11 02:36 |
| ender2070 | "C Programming in easy steps" | Apr 11 02:36 |
| ender2070 | Mike McGrath | Apr 11 02:37 |
| ender2070 | its very easy to read | Apr 11 02:37 |
| ender2070 | sometimes it seems too easy | Apr 11 02:37 |
| cubezzz | well you could switch to assembler, you know, for the challenge... | Apr 11 02:38 |
| ender2070 | 10 pages on loops, most of it was redundant | Apr 11 02:38 |
| ender2070 | full colour steps and everyhing in this book | Apr 11 02:38 |
| ender2070 | there is no built in gui or network functions either | Apr 11 02:39 |
| ender2070 | so i have plenty of options :) | Apr 11 02:39 |
| ender2070 | lots of libraries to choose from | Apr 11 02:40 |
| ender2070 | another cool thing about this book is that its tailored towards gcc | Apr 11 02:42 |
| cubezzz | text programs are the most portable | Apr 11 02:42 |
| ender2070 | text programs are, true | Apr 11 02:42 |
| cubezzz | I have to still try to learn Qtopia | Apr 11 02:44 |
| cubezzz | which is a pain in the butt | Apr 11 02:44 |
| ender2070 | Qtopia? | Apr 11 02:44 |
| cubezzz | yeah it's the zaurus' version of X, like a X-lite | Apr 11 02:45 |
| cubezzz | it's too slow to run full Xwindow | Apr 11 02:45 |
| ender2070 | ahh | Apr 11 02:45 |
| ender2070 | i'd rather code for my GP2X | Apr 11 02:45 |
| ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X | Apr 11 02:46 |
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| cubezzz | Sharp wasn't really full FOSS | Apr 11 02:46 |
| ender2070 | Gamepark had a few compliance issues | Apr 11 02:48 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure the GP2X is fun | Apr 11 02:48 |
| cubezzz | I was into game emulator for a while | Apr 11 02:49 |
| ender2070 | thats just the first thing everyone ported over | Apr 11 02:49 |
| ender2070 | you can run fresh homebrew on it too | Apr 11 02:49 |
| cubezzz | probably too slow to run X, just like the Sl-5500 | Apr 11 02:50 |
| cubezzz | but maybe not, you have the co-processor | Apr 11 02:50 |
| ender2070 | it should run it | Apr 11 02:51 |
| cubezzz | the cf slot on the z really saves it | Apr 11 02:51 |
| cubezzz | 4 gigs of storage in a hand held device is nice | Apr 11 02:52 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Apr 11 02:52 |
| ender2070 | this thing has SD storage | Apr 11 02:52 |
| ender2070 | i got lots of those cards | Apr 11 02:52 |
| ender2070 | everything I own that takes a card, takes sd | Apr 11 02:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] google is out of "bucket of cocks". fortunately, bing still has plenty. | Apr 11 02:53 | |
| cubezzz | can you run dosbox on it? | Apr 11 02:54 |
| cubezzz | or do mouse/stylus input? | Apr 11 02:54 |
| cubezzz | ha, they ported Qtopia to GP2X | Apr 11 02:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Interfilk Auction going on - copy of Leslie Fish and the Dehorn Crew, the original vinyl record went for $80.00! | Apr 11 02:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Kathleen Sloan necklace auctioned for $50.00 | Apr 11 03:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Jeff and Maya Bonhoff 'Grated Hits' Tee shirt went for $30.00 | Apr 11 03:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Signed copy of a Bob Sawyer book went for $55.00 | Apr 11 03:03 | |
| ender2070 | i heard you can run dosbox on it fine | Apr 11 03:05 |
| ender2070 | you just have to map the keys to buttons first | Apr 11 03:05 |
| cubezzz | the Wiz is selling on ebay for $144 CAN | Apr 11 03:06 |
| cubezzz | tempting | Apr 11 03:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Box of Count Spatula's truffles auctioned for $47.00! | Apr 11 03:08 | |
| ender2070 | i know | Apr 11 03:09 |
| ender2070 | especially with the rechargable battery built in | Apr 11 03:10 |
| ender2070 | 2x AA sucks | Apr 11 03:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] bing is as bad as reputed past the first page. it's like 1997 websearch all over again. there's *good reason* google is so popular. | Apr 11 03:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Hand embroidered handbag with the logos of all the Filk conventions auctioned for $55.00 - some great deals so far. | Apr 11 03:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] bing: "It turned out the long tail was much more important." http://is.gd/bnHjr no shit. microsoft could fuck up a wet dream. | Apr 11 03:12 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Ignored the Long Tail in Search, Bing Boss Says - Search Engines from eWeek .::. Size~: 117.4 KB | Apr 11 03:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Dandelion Wine demo CD - a one of a kind - $85.00 | Apr 11 03:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Collection of Mark Simmons books - auctioned for $75.00 | Apr 11 03:23 | |
| cubezzz | Gamepark went belly up? | Apr 11 03:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Urban Tapestry gift pack - $95.00 | Apr 11 03:26 | |
| cubezzz | maybe that's why the units are so cheap | Apr 11 03:27 |
| ender2070 | maybe | Apr 11 03:31 |
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| ender2070 | i have another book which covers C too | Apr 11 03:33 |
| ender2070 | "Hacking: The Art of Exploitation" | Apr 11 03:33 |
| ender2070 | teaches C in order to hack | Apr 11 03:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Scratch copy of Bill Roper's in production CD - $65.00 | Apr 11 03:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Signed copy of William Mark Simmons Dreamland Chronicals auctioned for $150.00! Highest price so far. | Apr 11 03:37 | |
| cubezzz | there's two kinds of hacking | Apr 11 03:39 |
| cubezzz | I assume they mean the good kind | Apr 11 03:39 |
| cubezzz | or not, I guess, with that title | Apr 11 03:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Four Gig USB key with pre-production copies of Mike Whitaker's new CD - auctioned for $160.00 - a new high! | Apr 11 03:39 | |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 11 03:43 |
| cubezzz | this guy is selling an Amiga 500 for cheap, but guess what? | Apr 11 03:44 |
| cubezzz | $145 for shipping! | Apr 11 03:44 |
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| cubezzz | surprise! | Apr 11 03:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol | Apr 11 03:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can see it | Apr 11 03:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Copy of the Doctor Erica Neeley songbooks, along with two CDs of her music, with other neat stuff - auctioned for $370.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Apr 11 03:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] The Debbie Ohi revenge pack was auctioned for $375.00 - Debbie freaked! | Apr 11 03:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Final item auctioned - DVD of filkers all over the world - sold for $500.00 | Apr 11 04:10 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] will be going to @barcampchennai with @sup3rkiddo | Apr 11 04:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | "disposable morons who ought to be locked in portable toilets and set on fire" | Apr 11 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | I like that | Apr 11 04:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | lolwhat | Apr 11 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxmE2qMbYRU&feature=related | Apr 11 04:20 |
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| Diablo-D3 | fuck yeah george carlin | Apr 11 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, this diet peach green tea is good | Apr 11 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | might start drinking this all the time :) | Apr 11 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | magnetometric spatial charges | Apr 11 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | Trekkie for "We're being depth charged"? :P | Apr 11 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | "Freedom is irrelevant. Self-determination is irrelevant. You must comply." | Apr 11 04:27 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] George Carlin was the wisest man alive http://ur1.ca/uhwj | Apr 11 04:28 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | [11:10:57] <DaemonFC> magnetometric spatial charges | Apr 11 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | _magnetic_ depth charges. | Apr 11 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | in space. | Apr 11 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Apr 11 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | in sppaaaaaaaaAAaaaAAaaaAaaAAAAaaace | Apr 11 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | "We are the proud parents of a child who has resisted his teachers attempts to break his spirit and bend it to the will of his corporate masters" | Apr 11 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | I like that one | Apr 11 04:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes a fucking genius dude | Apr 11 04:36 |
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| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3: Our county clerk has illegally stamped false election documents | Apr 11 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | now she's blaming a stamping machine that the company who sold it to the city can't find anything wrong with :) | Apr 11 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "Don't blame me, it was the one armed stamping machine!" :) | Apr 11 04:53 |
| satipera | a very early good morning to everyone | Apr 11 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | oh shit | Apr 11 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | I'm 26 now | Apr 11 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 11 05:18 |
| satipera | fc make the most of it you will be in your 40's in a blink of the eyes :) happy birthday btw | Apr 11 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Apr 11 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | 14 years and one cat later | Apr 11 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 11 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | sitting here in my pajamas with a model year 2024 bicycle | Apr 11 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | sitting beside me | Apr 11 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 11 05:22 |
| satipera | new bike arrive yet? | Apr 11 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | nope, doesn't ship until Monday | Apr 11 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | after that it'll be a week or so | Apr 11 05:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | [11:40:14] <DaemonFC> Diablo-D3: Our county clerk has illegally stamped false election documents | Apr 11 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder why everyone has those for $399 when the MSRP is $499 | Apr 11 05:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | she should have life in prison for that | Apr 11 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | the Currie Store is the only one selling them for $499 | Apr 11 05:24 |
| satipera | a few years back i bought an expensive bike, it was nicked about 3 weeks later :( | Apr 11 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | and THEY want $99 in shipping too | Apr 11 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | satipera: Yeah, before I put it together, I may replace the inner tubing in the tires | Apr 11 05:24 |
| satipera | i have a mechanically sound scrapper now which nobody would want to steal | Apr 11 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | with puncture resistant tubes | Apr 11 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | that way I may not get a flat out in the middle of nowhere and have to disassemble the motor and all later | Apr 11 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 11 05:25 |
| satipera | that is a good idea especially if you use it for work | Apr 11 05:25 |
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| DaemonFC | obviously it won't stop a nail from running through the tubing | Apr 11 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | but I could run over sharp glass or something and be fine | Apr 11 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | what pisses me off is mountain bike tires like I have on my current bike, they have grooves that perfectly position a nail to run through the tire :D | Apr 11 05:27 |
| satipera | yes thats better than being stranded at work with a puncture or worse first thing in the morning | Apr 11 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | better traction, yeah, but still... | Apr 11 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have less traction and lower chance of a flat | Apr 11 05:28 |
| ender2070 | why do you run over nails | Apr 11 05:28 |
| satipera | i get most punctures when the council trims back all the hedges | Apr 11 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I don't intentionally | Apr 11 05:28 |
| ender2070 | and why are there nails everywhere you ride your bike | Apr 11 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | but you never know what could be out there | Apr 11 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Hick town | Apr 11 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | people throw sharp things out everywhere | Apr 11 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | broken beer bottles | Apr 11 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | roofing nails | Apr 11 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | you name it | Apr 11 05:28 |
| satipera | some company somewhere will make bullet proof tyres for exercising heads of state lol | Apr 11 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | with smoother tires and puncture resistant tubes, I may never need to worry about a flat | Apr 11 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | run flat bicycle tires | Apr 11 05:30 |
| satipera | good tip is to keep the correct pressure up, to reduce punctures | Apr 11 05:30 |
| ender2070 | my bikes always get stolen before I get a flat | Apr 11 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | they DO have those on the really expensive bikes | Apr 11 05:31 |
| ender2070 | dont let those criminals get puncture free tires | Apr 11 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | mine will deliver an electric shock sufficient to kill | Apr 11 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 11 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | it's custom | Apr 11 05:31 |
| satipera | 2070, agreed it is not worth the risk of buying an expensive bike around here unless you can afford a guard | Apr 11 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | well, the same electric motor to retrofit onto my bike all by itself was $300 | Apr 11 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | it's clear they are steering you to buy the entire bike from them | Apr 11 05:32 |
| satipera | its electric? | Apr 11 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Apr 11 05:33 |
| satipera | why? | Apr 11 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | less complicated motor mainly | Apr 11 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | no servicing needed | Apr 11 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | it's more or less self contained | Apr 11 05:33 |
| satipera | what is wrong with pedalling | Apr 11 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | the gas motors come in 100 pieces | Apr 11 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | and you need to put gas/oil mix in | Apr 11 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | and replace the spark plug sometimes | Apr 11 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | satipera: Nothing really | Apr 11 05:34 |
| satipera | i thought it was a push bike | Apr 11 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | The electric scooters are same price, get the same range, and are just as heavy | Apr 11 05:34 |
| satipera | most of need all the exercise we can get | Apr 11 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather get the bike with the electric motor so I can pedal if the batteries die | Apr 11 05:35 |
| satipera | what is estimated battery life | Apr 11 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | I consider the pedals to be there for if the batteries die | Apr 11 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | the scooter would make me hop off and push it | Apr 11 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | satipera: 15 miles at 15 miles per hour | Apr 11 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | per battery | Apr 11 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | it holds two | Apr 11 05:36 |
| satipera | fine for commuting | Apr 11 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | I'll be ordering a second battery for it | Apr 11 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | that will give it a 30 mile per charge range :) | Apr 11 05:36 |
| satipera | charge/discharge cycles? pun intended | Apr 11 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | estimated 300 | Apr 11 05:37 |
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| DaemonFC | people have reported more | Apr 11 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | well over 500 | Apr 11 05:37 |
| satipera | so each battery is at least a year of commuting | Apr 11 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | so the batteries are cost effective when compared to gas prices | Apr 11 05:37 |
| satipera | easily | Apr 11 05:38 |
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| satipera | we have to hand back batteries to the shops now when we are done with them | Apr 11 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | I'll just throw them in the trash | Apr 11 05:39 |
| satipera | good idea, probably a lot of nasty chemicals in them | Apr 11 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | unless someone will pay me a core charge for them | Apr 11 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | then I'll turn them in | Apr 11 05:39 |
| satipera | people have been fined over here for putting the wrong type of things into the rubbish | Apr 11 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | that's why you make sure there's nothing that can identify you in that bag of garbage | Apr 11 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 11 05:41 |
| satipera | i meant good idea to return to shops not in the rubbish | Apr 11 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | the only case of someone getting fined over their garbage around here was a nurse who stole biohazard bags from the hospital and was using them as garbage bags | Apr 11 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 11 05:42 |
| satipera | they have also put in the infrastructure to charge us for the weight of rubbish we throw out | Apr 11 05:42 |
| satipera | even our rubbish has no privacy | Apr 11 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | hmm, HIV is only biohazard level 2? | Apr 11 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | That should be a 4 | Apr 11 05:44 |
| satipera | i do not know what the various levels are | Apr 11 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | they put HIV in the same group as things like Measles | Apr 11 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | HIV should be classed with Hauntavirus and Ebola | Apr 11 05:44 |
| satipera | attitudes to measles have changed a lot | Apr 11 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but only a few people have died of measles | Apr 11 05:45 |
| satipera | it was treated almost like having a cold when i was a kid | Apr 11 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | the flu is more serious than the measles | Apr 11 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | they're classifying HIV with measles and wondering why so many health car workers stick themselves and get it | Apr 11 05:46 |
| satipera | oh yes, that is a disaster that will happen one day | Apr 11 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | cause they don't dispose of it properly | Apr 11 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | or handle it properly | Apr 11 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's all political | Apr 11 05:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] So, you mean it's ditzy to say "Oh my God"? @iRevolt | Apr 11 05:46 | |
| satipera | it is actually amazing how many people die of flu each year | Apr 11 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | a virus which colonizes you, leaves you alive long enough to be useful as a trojan horse, then chows down on the rest of your immune system and allows you to die from anything that comes along | Apr 11 05:47 |
| satipera | then they get all worked up by a few mdma deaths | Apr 11 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not getting anywhere near that | Apr 11 05:48 |
| satipera | drugs policy, that is a can of worms | Apr 11 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | I turned down a job at a hospital years back to work in a nursing home | Apr 11 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | cause really, how many old people have AIDS? | Apr 11 05:49 |
| satipera | most of our government advisors have resigned in the last year | Apr 11 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | hospital, you get people in who bleed on you | Apr 11 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | body fluids spatter | Apr 11 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | you can come into contact with anything | Apr 11 05:49 |
| oiaohm | Lot of people with AIDS don't get old enough to be in a nursing home. | Apr 11 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I know, that's the idea | Apr 11 05:50 |
| satipera | they say hospitals can be the worse play for ill people sometimes | Apr 11 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | probably one of the governments reasons to invent AIDS | Apr 11 05:50 |
| satipera | invent? | Apr 11 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | "Hehe, we can kill them before they get to live 30 years on Medicare and Social Security | Apr 11 05:50 |
| oiaohm | If you really wanted to do in population ebola is effective. | Apr 11 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, if you die of AIDS, they only have to approve you for either if you have less than 6 months to live | Apr 11 05:51 |
| satipera | life expectancy of men in glasgow is below the state pension age, the government loves glasgow | Apr 11 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | they let HIV tear you apart until by the time they do help with your meds, you're so weak that you'll die in a year or two anyway | Apr 11 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | HIV is also getting rid of undesirables mainly | Apr 11 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | why would the government ever want to cure it? | Apr 11 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's a gold mine to them | Apr 11 05:52 |
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| satipera | well as anyone who knows me will say, i believe in some areas of life there is no place for the profit motive | Apr 11 05:53 |
| satipera | it is a conflict of interest | Apr 11 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | Well, if AIDS kills 300,000 Americans per year, half are gay, many victims are IV drug users, a disproportionate number are racial minorities and most are poor | Apr 11 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | why would they want to end that? | Apr 11 05:54 |
| oiaohm | Only recently did they work out where aids hides out. | Apr 11 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | sad that there's no compassion there, but it's how this shit works | Apr 11 05:55 |
| oiaohm | In the human body. | Apr 11 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | bone marrow | Apr 11 05:55 |
| oiaohm | All the current meds for AID do is supress it. | Apr 11 05:55 |
| satipera | cynical, but you are right to a point, the usa health care system is not designed to help those in most need | Apr 11 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | Now, they may not have "invented" it, but they're doing things to promote its spread | Apr 11 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | such as removing sex ed funding for the poorest school districts | Apr 11 05:57 |
| satipera | why for the poorest districts only | Apr 11 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | those are where the people they want to get it go to school | Apr 11 05:58 |
| satipera | how are those programmes funded | Apr 11 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | AIDS is helping them wipe out the lower rungs of the socioeconomic structure | Apr 11 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | without actually going in and shooting the people they want rid of | Apr 11 05:59 |
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| oiaohm | Really it shows how foolish the USA goverment is. Some of the best inventors in history have come from the poorest sections. | Apr 11 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | AIDS is an extermination program is my opinion | Apr 11 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | the way the response has been coordinated | Apr 11 05:59 |
| oiaohm | Lowest area of people inventing stuff is the the rich. | Apr 11 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | rich people get drugs and live forever | Apr 11 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | poor people are fucked and die in 2-3 years | Apr 11 06:00 |
| oiaohm | Poorly planned extermination program for Linux term. DaemonFC | Apr 11 06:00 |
| oiaohm | Opps Linux/long | Apr 11 06:00 |
| satipera | i do not think it is a plan, but neglect | Apr 11 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, takes decades, slow invisible holocaust they pay lip service to doing something about | Apr 11 06:01 |
| satipera | (aids not linux point) | Apr 11 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | it stops when the cure they already have now is given out | Apr 11 06:01 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: I suffer from word swap from time to time. | Apr 11 06:02 |
| satipera | do you non tea party usonians think the new health legislation will make much difference | Apr 11 06:03 |
| oiaohm | Really think of the gangs and drug crimes before it. DaemonFC | Apr 11 06:03 |
| oiaohm | The lower end in the USA really don't have a chance. | Apr 11 06:03 |
| satipera | oiaohm, yes i have noticed that but you still mamanage to be quite forensic on occasions | Apr 11 06:04 |
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| satipera | (in your arguements) | Apr 11 06:04 |
| oiaohm | Their was something in the back of my mind. It is the poorer schools that Linux and other things like it become very tempting to them. | Apr 11 06:05 |
| oiaohm | So loss of the lower end takes away one of Linux foot hold locations. | Apr 11 06:06 |
| satipera | then ms will just dump free bits on them | Apr 11 06:06 |
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| oiaohm | satipera: the funny part is that dumping of free stuff for a lot of people devalues what people will pay for the MS product. | Apr 11 06:08 |
| oiaohm | The low end is loss and loss for ms. | Apr 11 06:08 |
| satipera | ms behave like lots of other international companies, they charge widely in different markets, while trying to uphold the headline value | Apr 11 06:09 |
| satipera | like car manufacturers, they reserve the right to sell into different markets at various prices, but do not like people crossing borders to buy | Apr 11 06:11 |
| oiaohm | MS does lots to block board crossing. | Apr 11 06:11 |
| satipera | i am sure they do | Apr 11 06:12 |
| satipera | another rigged market | Apr 11 06:12 |
| oiaohm | My current target is getting people off MS Office | Apr 11 06:12 |
| oiaohm | Ok if they stay on Windows fine for now. | Apr 11 06:13 |
| satipera | good place to start, not much disruption for most | Apr 11 06:13 |
| oiaohm | Big thing I have a lot asking me for is a MS publisher replacement. | Apr 11 06:13 |
| satipera | there will be the munich effect, a small minority actually do need it | Apr 11 06:13 |
| satipera | dtp? | Apr 11 06:14 |
| oiaohm | Its more the huge numbers of pre made templates publisher has with its guided wizards. | Apr 11 06:15 |
| oiaohm | Yes one mother of a weakness. | Apr 11 06:15 |
| satipera | hmm netbook is playing up since power died on battery | Apr 11 06:16 |
| satipera | that is better | Apr 11 06:19 |
| satipera | getting people to change is difficult | Apr 11 06:20 |
| satipera | those of us who have made the change forget how difficult it can be initially for the average user (like me) | Apr 11 06:21 |
| satipera | even changing from a gnome to a kde desktop initially causes a huge drop in productivity | Apr 11 06:23 |
| satipera | it is just becoming familiar , which is why even ms has problems moving people on to their "latest and greatest" | Apr 11 06:25 |
| satipera | the good news is that once they do change they realise just how bad windows is and are unlikely to return | Apr 11 06:27 |
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| oiaohm | satipera: rule don't change everything at once. | Apr 11 06:32 |
| oiaohm | I remember how hard the change is. | Apr 11 06:32 |
| oiaohm | If a person trys to change everything at once they will fail. | Apr 11 06:32 |
| satipera | ie is usually the first thing to go | Apr 11 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | The lower end in the United States is getting killed off by a lot of things | Apr 11 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | including bad diet | Apr 11 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | processed junk with no nutrition value at all | Apr 11 06:37 |
| satipera | the food industry has continued other industries process of de skilling people | Apr 11 06:38 |
| satipera | employees and punters | Apr 11 06:38 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - not only that, but by 2040 the rich will have access to real life extension technology | Apr 11 06:46 |
| ender2070 | according to the UK's department of defense | Apr 11 06:47 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070: Now if only Canada were more like the United States, maybe we could work together to show them some life reduction technology | Apr 11 07:06 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 11 07:06 |
| DaemonFC | I don't mean "more like the United States" as in your government isn't corrupt and your taxes aren't too high | Apr 11 07:07 |
| ender2070 | what are you talking about | Apr 11 07:07 |
| DaemonFC | I mean shoot the bastards | Apr 11 07:07 |
| DaemonFC | just lets all get together, drag them out, and shoot them | Apr 11 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 11 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | nothing the government can do to save them after they've been shot in the head | Apr 11 07:08 |
| ender2070 | um lol | Apr 11 07:09 |
| ender2070 | neutron bombs? | Apr 11 07:10 |
| ender2070 | no damage to any of the infustructure, but we would all be dead | Apr 11 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Apr 11 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 11 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | drop them on Alabama | Apr 11 07:10 |
| ender2070 | did you check out, "Out to 2040" ? | Apr 11 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | no, because I think like most predictions that far out, we'll be laughing our asses off in 30 years at how badly far off they were | Apr 11 07:12 |
| ender2070 | http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/D70F2CC7-5673-43AE-BA73-1F887801266C/0/20100202GST_4_Global_Strategic_Trends_Out_to_2040UDCDCStrat_Trends_4.pdf | Apr 11 07:12 |
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| ender2070 | they say you're country will have created domestic terrorists because of the laws clamping down on people | Apr 11 07:12 |
| ender2070 | your | Apr 11 07:13 |
| ender2070 | tired | Apr 11 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | When I was born, the Soviet Union may have been expected to last indefinitely, 7 years later it collapsed | Apr 11 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | what would a projection into the 2020s have looked like? | Apr 11 07:13 |
| ender2070 | the soviet union is still around | Apr 11 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | including the Soviet Union? | Apr 11 07:13 |
| ender2070 | under another name | Apr 11 07:13 |
| ender2070 | there was one, 2007 to 2037 | Apr 11 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | Russia still tries to bully its neighbors | Apr 11 07:13 |
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| ender2070 | it predicted stuff for 2007-2009 properly | Apr 11 07:14 |
| ender2070 | this new one is 2010 to 2040 | Apr 11 07:14 |
| ender2070 | your own army predicts domestic terrorists soon | Apr 11 07:14 |
| ender2070 | http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/Pubs/Display.Cfm?pubID=890 | Apr 11 07:15 |
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| ender2070 | probably predicting you, lol | Apr 11 07:16 |
| ender2070 | [01:55] <DaemonFC> I mean shoot the bastards | Apr 11 07:16 |
| ender2070 | [01:55] <DaemonFC> just lets all get together, drag them out, and shoot them | Apr 11 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | there have been domestic terrorists for years | Apr 11 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | most of them either get arrested or allowed to continue | Apr 11 07:17 |
| ender2070 | they usually watch them | Apr 11 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | the ones that get allowed to continue, like McVeigh, serve to excuse the government from all the draconion new laws they pass right after | Apr 11 07:17 |
| ender2070 | "a "revolutionary middle class" that would revolt against economic hardship and burdens of debt" | Apr 11 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | hah | Apr 11 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | keep paying it or file bankruptcy | Apr 11 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Apr 11 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | let me see | Apr 11 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I need to do | Apr 11 07:19 |
| ender2070 | nonono | Apr 11 07:19 |
| ender2070 | your country would be in debt | Apr 11 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | finance a car on one of those exploitative 7 year loans | Apr 11 07:19 |
| ender2070 | that causes taxes to go up | Apr 11 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | wait a year | Apr 11 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | file bankruptcy | Apr 11 07:19 |
| ender2070 | i already know about your bankruptcy scams | Apr 11 07:20 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 11 07:20 |
| ender2070 | what do you do when the IMF starts telling your country to reduce its health care services to life essential service only, so they can collect faster | Apr 11 07:21 |
| ender2070 | keep up on the news about greece | Apr 11 07:21 |
| ender2070 | riots and everything | Apr 11 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | well, we were already there | Apr 11 07:21 |
| ender2070 | the IMF told their government how to operate and how to tax | Apr 11 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing the health care bill could give me that's worse than I've got | Apr 11 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | so I don't care | Apr 11 07:21 |
| ender2070 | they made it illegal to spend a certain amount of cash per day | Apr 11 07:21 |
| ender2070 | etc | Apr 11 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | well, when you become that indebted, you are a slave | Apr 11 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | that goes for whole countries too | Apr 11 07:22 |
| ender2070 | you're already trillions in aren't ya? | Apr 11 07:22 |
| ender2070 | isn't that defacto slavery, according to Jefferson | Apr 11 07:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IBM believes harmonisation should occur along lines which endorse the current practice and case law of the EPO http://ur1.ca/uibn | Apr 11 07:22 | |
| DaemonFC | more or less | Apr 11 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | it is odd that nobody has called the debts yet | Apr 11 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 11 07:23 |
| ender2070 | world war 2 did that to most | Apr 11 07:23 |
| ender2070 | other than you guys | Apr 11 07:23 |
| ender2070 | world war 2 made you guys a fuckton of cash | Apr 11 07:23 |
| ender2070 | selling weapons to both sides = $$$ | Apr 11 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | we did not | Apr 11 07:24 |
| ender2070 | yes you did | Apr 11 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | that would make no sense | Apr 11 07:24 |
| ender2070 | until you guys joined the war | Apr 11 07:24 |
| ender2070 | you were neutral at first | Apr 11 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | arm them so we have to go spend more money fighting them? | Apr 11 07:24 |
| ender2070 | you guys werent gonna fight at all | Apr 11 07:24 |
| ender2070 | pearl harbor | Apr 11 07:24 |
| ender2070 | that got you fighting | Apr 11 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | the Japanese acted stupidly | Apr 11 07:25 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Apr 11 07:25 |
| ender2070 | the japanese got owned | Apr 11 07:25 |
| ender2070 | now they are owned | Apr 11 07:25 |
| ender2070 | Sony, is an american founded company its hilarious when they talk about japanese pride | Apr 11 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | shhh, someone might notice | Apr 11 07:26 |
| ender2070 | Sacred Oil New York can kiss my ass | Apr 11 07:26 |
| ender2070 | :P | Apr 11 07:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IPKat on the UPLS attempt to validate software patents in Europe:http://ur1.ca/uibz | Apr 11 07:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The 4 letters between IBM and TurboHercules are available online on the TurboHercules website: http://ur1.ca/uica | Apr 11 07:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IBM could not reasonably be asked to consider licensing its operating systems for use on "infringing" platforms http://ur1.ca/uict | Apr 11 07:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IBM: if a software implementing a patented invention is copied, then it is an infringement of both copyright AND patents http://ur1.ca/uibn | Apr 11 07:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IBM has contributed to the guidelines developed by the European Patent Office and has helped to make case law: http://ur1.ca/uibn | Apr 11 07:50 | |
| ender2070 | im leaning towards IBM on this one | Apr 11 07:55 |
| ender2070 | i dont think it would be wrong for nintendo to do the same thing against makers of console/gameboy emulators | Apr 11 07:57 |
| ender2070 | especially if they were selling the emulators | Apr 11 07:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] TurboHercules has also an office in Seattle, next to Microsoft: http://ur1.ca/uif5 | Apr 11 08:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] NZOSS Response to Software Patent Supporters in video (with pig noises): http://ur1.ca/uign | Apr 11 08:18 | |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070: The SEIU is backing immigration amnesty | Apr 11 08:19 |
| DaemonFC | I told you that union is corrupt | Apr 11 08:19 |
| DaemonFC | they want more deskilled day laborers that they can legally unionize so they can take their money | Apr 11 08:20 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 11 08:20 |
| DaemonFC | immigration amnesty is the worst thing they could do | Apr 11 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | it will get them all voted out this November | Apr 11 08:21 |
| ender2070 | perhaps they know they are getting voted out | Apr 11 08:22 |
| ender2070 | and want money before it happens? | Apr 11 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | I still say 2 miles long and 2,000 miles wide full of landmines is the best course of action | Apr 11 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | worked well enough in Korea | Apr 11 08:23 |
| ender2070 | not when james bond was done with them | Apr 11 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | learning English is one of the conditions of amnesty | Apr 11 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | the ones here legally now don't speak English | Apr 11 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | if you do go to a Mexican restaurant, they understand enough to know what's on their menu | Apr 11 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | and they can count money | Apr 11 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 11 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | I know this much English "Pepsi, Mountain Dew, Dr. Pepper, Sprite, Budweiser" | Apr 11 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | and after that, you're fucked | Apr 11 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not even going to comment on what kind of person walks into an authentic Mexican restaurant and orders a Budweiser | Apr 11 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | the Chinese restaurant used to have crab legs out on the dinner buffet, I remember asking for some melted butter and the lady comes back with a plate of those deep fried sugar biscuits | Apr 11 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 11 08:28 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 11 08:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Catching up with Doctor Who before my days site work....Netrunner review coming....and an article on "losing your bottle" #gnu #foss | Apr 11 08:38 | |
| DaemonFC | mmmmm, marshmallow peeps | Apr 11 08:42 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/28019765#notice-28071100 "@schestowitz No - wasn't me. I've been tweeting the auction at the convention I am at though :)" | Apr 11 08:48 |
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| schestowitz | There's that account spam that makes a chain sent to all followers again | Apr 11 08:48 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: thanks for the headsup | Apr 11 09:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: how are you doing? | Apr 11 09:02 |
| oiaohm | You saw the letter between turbohercules and ibm zoobab provided link to above. schestowitz | Apr 11 09:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Been grounded by Updike and his cronies? :-D | Apr 11 09:08 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: not yet | Apr 11 09:08 |
| schestowitz | But it seems like a trap | Apr 11 09:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell to Put #Vista7 Migration and Management “at Peace” http://ur1.ca/uilk Novell’s promotion of its own competitor (Windows) | Apr 11 09:08 | |
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| oiaohm | The letters read exactly how I expected schestowitz. | Apr 11 09:09 |
| oiaohm | Turbohercus did not know when to leave sleeping dragons alone. | Apr 11 09:13 |
| schestowitz | I don't doubt it | Apr 11 09:17 |
| schestowitz | But let me clarify my POV again | Apr 11 09:17 |
| schestowitz | I knew all along who they were | Apr 11 09:18 |
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| ender2070 | they asked ibm for permission and did it anyways | Apr 11 09:18 |
| schestowitz | Florian too | Apr 11 09:18 |
| schestowitz | BUT.... | Apr 11 09:18 |
| schestowitz | We still have an issue with IBM's stance on swpats | Apr 11 09:18 |
| schestowitz | Not here | Apr 11 09:18 |
| schestowitz | In general | Apr 11 09:18 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the listed patents are hardware class. | Apr 11 09:18 |
| ender2070 | turbohercules brought the anti trust suit agains them | Apr 11 09:18 |
| oiaohm | That they are emulating a platform is the only reason why a lot of them are even a factor. | Apr 11 09:19 |
| ender2070 | i was reading an older document regarding ibm where they said the US patent system was too liberal, and allowed way too much stuff to be patented | Apr 11 09:21 |
| ender2070 | it had to do with the EU making its patent system | Apr 11 09:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @glynmoody Please sign the Wellington Declaration on ACTA - http://bit.ly/bcerA6 basically v. good. pls. pass on (via @tom_watson) #acta | Apr 11 09:22 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: we're stuck with Supreme Dictator Updike and his ilk for a while | Apr 11 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 11 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | a popular revolt may be needed | Apr 11 09:24 |
| schestowitz | No. | Apr 11 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | I complained about them not mowing the lawn of the street department yesterday :) | Apr 11 09:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What India is teaching us: “Pharma patents are not about drug discovery, but about jacking up the prices on drugs.” http://ur1.ca/uinc | Apr 11 09:25 | |
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| DaemonFC | I put in the comments that I was about to set up "No Hunting" signs if the grass got any taller | Apr 11 09:26 |
| ender2070 | heres an interesting question | Apr 11 09:29 |
| ender2070 | has anyone tried to get the "open source" hercules emulator? | Apr 11 09:30 |
| ender2070 | smells like fauxpen source | Apr 11 09:31 |
| oiaohm | http://www.hercules-390.org/ Not that hard ender2070 | Apr 11 09:32 |
| ender2070 | they also have a bunch of guides on installing it on windows and opensuse | Apr 11 09:32 |
| ender2070 | looking @ turbohercules.com | Apr 11 09:32 |
| oiaohm | Look at www.hercules-390.org ender2070 | Apr 11 09:34 |
| oiaohm | Note the lead developer name. | Apr 11 09:34 |
| ender2070 | and? | Apr 11 09:34 |
| oiaohm | Then note who is the Presendent of turbohercules ie the same person. | Apr 11 09:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] for those who missed RT: @eduvid: TO all human beings - Today GOD came in my dream. He ordered to use ODF and OGG format. #odf #ogg #god ;) | Apr 11 09:34 | |
| oiaohm | You basically not going to find the program on turbohercules.com. It don't need to be their. | Apr 11 09:35 |
| ender2070 | one sells binaries, the other doesnt | Apr 11 09:35 |
| oiaohm | turbohercules is trying to sell support. | Apr 11 09:36 |
| ender2070 | is ibm suing hercules or turbohercules | Apr 11 09:36 |
| oiaohm | Support is IBM business. | Apr 11 09:36 |
| oiaohm | IBM has not sued either ender2070 | Apr 11 09:37 |
| oiaohm | IBM just put turbohercules on notice of possiable risks. | Apr 11 09:37 |
| ender2070 | exactly | Apr 11 09:37 |
| oiaohm | Once given notice of possible risks you can with patents work out how not to use the patents or try to formally make an agreement for them. | Apr 11 09:38 |
| ender2070 | oiaohm - are you not aware that turbohercules filed anti trust against them? | Apr 11 09:38 |
| oiaohm | That came after. | Apr 11 09:39 |
| ender2070 | no | Apr 11 09:39 |
| oiaohm | IBM has not really responded to that yet. | Apr 11 09:39 |
| ender2070 | also, does turbohercules have the right to emulated a patented invention? | Apr 11 09:40 |
| ender2070 | emulate | Apr 11 09:40 |
| oiaohm | Past test cases it is how. | Apr 11 09:40 |
| oiaohm | If it an exact method copy of what the hardware did you are screwed. | Apr 11 09:40 |
| oiaohm | Now if you have a different method of getting the same results as the hardware would do legally fine. | Apr 11 09:41 |
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| ender2070 | nintendo wins a lot of those lawsuits | Apr 11 09:41 |
| ender2070 | for example | Apr 11 09:41 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Apr 11 09:41 |
| oiaohm | The rules over emulation are well and truly. | Apr 11 09:41 |
| oiaohm | tested. | Apr 11 09:42 |
| oiaohm | Anyone stupid enough to take them into court is asking to die. | Apr 11 09:42 |
| ender2070 | heres what I read though | Apr 11 09:42 |
| ender2070 | ibm was hit with a third anti trust complaint, this time from turbohercules | Apr 11 09:42 |
| ender2070 | so ibm hit back | Apr 11 09:43 |
| oiaohm | IBM has not hit back yet. | Apr 11 09:44 |
| oiaohm | Its still just warning. | Apr 11 09:44 |
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| ender2070 | interesting | Apr 11 09:47 |
| ender2070 | http://www.scribd.com/doc/29469085/IBM-letter-dated-11-March-2010-to-TurboHercules-SAS | Apr 11 09:47 |
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| ender2070 | just found another tidbit inside | Apr 11 09:49 |
| ender2070 | US Patent 6009261 | Apr 11 09:49 |
| ender2070 | LOL a patent on emulation | Apr 11 09:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Gosling on why he left: "anything I could say that would be accurate and honest would do more harm than good" // eloquent enough! #java #sun | Apr 11 09:55 | |
| ender2070 | we should file antitrust against Apple and MS too for "illegally tying its pc software to its hardware" | Apr 11 09:57 |
| ender2070 | :) | Apr 11 09:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@arusbridger How I saw the #ipad 16yrs ago..just block of wood back then http://is.gd/bnYXC //or we cd talk about #Apple #Newton, 19yrs ago | Apr 11 09:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Shoq Run along, Junior. RT @MerkAmerica: @Shoq You got a problem with people making money //no,but he has does have problems with idiots | Apr 11 10:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Anyone nostalgic for #Newton Script? #Apple | Apr 11 10:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] oh my, @futuramaquotes ! I just want to favourite every last one. (thankyou @callistathea!) #followsunday | Apr 11 10:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] An overly optimistic attitude about your finances today can le... More for Aquarius http://twittascope.com/?sign=11 | Apr 11 10:08 | |
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| ender2070 | whats so special about november 17-20th timeframe | Apr 11 10:08 |
| ender2070 | lots of stuff comes out then | Apr 11 10:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] David Hammerstein on #Microsoft Lobbying in Europe; Harrison Targets Lobbying on Software Patents in New Zealand http://ur1.ca/uisu | Apr 11 10:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Anti-software patent US Supreme Court judge Stevens retires, won't write Bilski decision: http://ur1.ca/uiv5 Ars article http://ur1.ca/uiv3 | Apr 11 10:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Patent Attorney is afraid of Judge Stevens for writing Bilski decision, hopes he retires soon: http://ur1.ca/uiw1 | Apr 11 10:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] Preinstalled Linux http://lxer.com/module/db/viewby.php?uid=124&sort=120&option=1&value=on&dbn=14&offset=20 #gnu/linux #foss #linux | Apr 11 10:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Supports the Digital Economy Bill, Delisted from NASDAQ Global Sustainability Index http://ur1.ca/uiwh #debill | Apr 11 10:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sam (3) is practicing typing in cat in a console. Sophie (6) is using openoffice.org draw to make pretty patterns. Fun | Apr 11 10:45 | |
| ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/38 | Apr 11 10:50 |
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| ender2070 | http://www.pwnage.ca/?q=node/39 | Apr 11 10:50 |
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| ender2070 | CFR uses environmentalism to control | Apr 11 10:53 |
| ender2070 | http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/IIGG_WorkingPaper_2_ClimateChange.pdf | Apr 11 10:53 |
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| ender2070 | global warming owned | Apr 11 10:54 |
| ender2070 | http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/07/global-warmings-unscientific-method/ | Apr 11 10:54 |
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| ender2070 | one of the leaked emails talked about Mr McKitrick who is in the article | Apr 11 10:58 |
| ender2070 | they (IPCC) wanted to block him | Apr 11 10:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] #oggcamp now has a mascot! http://srcview.org/2010/introducing-the-ogg/ | Apr 11 11:03 | |
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| schestowitz | Wow. Some people still choose FOX over science | Apr 11 11:34 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: what led you to become part of the tea baggers? | Apr 11 11:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | wow | Apr 11 11:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just read the most wtf thing Ive read in awhile | Apr 11 11:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/04/11/018255/Larry-Sanger-Tells-FBI-Wikipedia-Distributes-Child-Pornography?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Reader | Apr 11 11:35 |
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| schestowitz | Pfizer, Novartis & Eli Lilly Received A Bunch Of Illegal Pharma Patents In India - http://bit.ly/dDA7wD one law for rich (via @schestowitz) http://identi.ca/conversation/28053195#notice-28096347 | Apr 11 11:35 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: very bad headline | Apr 11 11:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: its a non-story | Apr 11 11:36 |
| schestowitz | 1) they make it seem like Larry is attacking his 'baby' | Apr 11 11:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | as far as anybody can tell | Apr 11 11:36 |
| schestowitz | 2) Wikipedia does not do this | Apr 11 11:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | Larry just jerks off to pedophile porn | Apr 11 11:36 |
| schestowitz | It's people who abuse Wikipedia | Apr 11 11:36 |
| schestowitz | So the headline is bad | Apr 11 11:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] TBI Solicitors lost its bottle? - Law firms pulls out of file sharing "venture" http://tinyurl.com/ychnfro #tbi #deb #piracy #tpb | Apr 11 11:36 | |
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| schestowitz | It should say something like | Apr 11 11:36 |
| schestowitz | "Larry Sanger Reports to FBI Abuse involving "Child Pornography" in Wikipedia" | Apr 11 11:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes but | Apr 11 11:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | its slashdot | Apr 11 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Apr 11 11:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | slashdot spins headlines harder than fox news | Apr 11 11:38 |
| schestowitz | I had to follow the link, it made little sense | Apr 11 11:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is epic | Apr 11 11:38 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[eduvid] RT @deespeak: Zindagi apne dam pe ji jaati hai, auro ke kandho par to janaze uththe hain! - Bhagat Singh | Apr 11 12:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Florian Müller Seemingly Connected to #CCIA http://ur1.ca/uj7o together with older posts, it's obvious | Apr 11 12:13 | |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/11/florian-mueller-and-erika-mann/ | Apr 11 12:15 |
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| schestowitz | Together with evidence presented in older posts, it's obvious that CCIA is pulling some strings here after Microsoft paid it many millions of dollars | Apr 11 12:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab and @floschie , it seems like Florian's blog was created just when he was making chums at CCIA http://ur1.ca/uj7o | Apr 11 12:16 | |
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| MinceR | geekings | Apr 11 12:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is Accused of Lying Again, About #Xbox http://boycottnovell.com/2010/04/11/xbox-360-natal-lies/ | Apr 11 13:06 | |
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| schestowitz | gtg | Apr 11 13:15 |
| schestowitz | tessier: we need to merge the domains ASAP. We get dupes now, which penalises the site | Apr 11 13:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Sunday morning, 8:20 AM, and I'm awake. Not sure whether this is good or not! | Apr 11 13:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Overwhelming sense of deja vu as I sit once more in a long queue with a car full of crap. Nice empty garage back at home though. #fb | Apr 11 13:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Bored in a queue. Time to spy on my friends via Google latitude. Muhahahaha! | Apr 11 14:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Also adding "Muhahahaha" to the phone dictionary. Will come in useful soon. Muhahahaha! | Apr 11 14:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: iPhone developer agreement: Eat a bug on camera http://is.gd/bogEM | Apr 11 14:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] I did, as well. ♺ @webmink: I signed the Wellington Declaration and think you should consider doing so today too: http://icio.us/2ayw2j | Apr 11 14:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] US Catholic tells me "majority" of Catholics now donate such that 0 reaches Vatican. I am seeking any documentation for change in patterns. | Apr 11 15:25 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxmint.com/blog/?p=1359 | Apr 11 16:23 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] It is TurboHercules who asked for the list of patents that IBM sent: http://ur1.ca/u68u | Apr 11 16:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] TurboHercules Inc., 701 Fifth Avenue, Suite 4200 Seattle, WA 98104: http://ur1.ca/uk1y | Apr 11 16:32 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Fedora summer of code 2010: http://tinyurl.com/y2or78z . Students needed to fix DGC GTK GUI http://tinyurl.com/yc9pkrp | Apr 11 16:33 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] TurboHercules is a #Microsoft front http://ur1.ca/u68u | Apr 11 16:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] How "responsible disclosure" can just suck you into a vendor coverup http://attrition.org/security/rants/disclosure01.html | Apr 11 16:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @zoobab TurboHercules Inc., 701 Fifth Avenue, Suite 4200 Seattle, WA 98104: http://ur1.ca/uk1y | Apr 11 16:43 | |
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| MinceR | what's Groklaw's problem with Psystar? | Apr 11 16:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: copyright infringement is copyright infringement no matter what we think of how right or wrong it is. | Apr 11 16:50 |
| schestowitz | ziggyfish: HP http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2010041107355659 | Apr 11 16:50 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: and tying is tying, no matter what we think of how right or wrong it is. | Apr 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they are possible funded by Microsoft | Apr 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | But Groklaw is defending MakOS | Apr 11 16:51 |
| MinceR | maybe groklaw is funded by crApple? | Apr 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Waste of time defending that APPLE thing with like a quarter of a trillion in value | Apr 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw is a 'family' site, should protect FOSS | Apr 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Groklaw never criticises Apple | Apr 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | But AFAIK PJ used a Mac | Apr 11 16:52 |
| schestowitz | So... | Apr 11 16:52 |
| schestowitz | [16:50] <oiaohm> MinceR: copyright infringement is copyright infringement no matter what we think of how right or wrong it is. | Apr 11 16:52 |
| MinceR | what a shame | Apr 11 16:52 |
| schestowitz | If you obey the law blindly, then you learned nothing from history | Apr 11 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Some patents and copyrights should not be obeyed and that's why we defend fair use | Apr 11 16:52 |
| schestowitz | E.g. for criticism of someone you may need to quote or use fragments | Apr 11 16:53 |
| schestowitz | That's not copyright violation because of 'fixes' to patent laws | Apr 11 16:53 |
| schestowitz | And these too (fair use doctrine) they now try to take away from us | Apr 11 16:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Groklaw is good | Apr 11 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Don't know it | Apr 11 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Misdirected criticism | Apr 11 16:54 |
| schestowitz | http://indlovu.wordpress.com/2010/04/10/google-via-the-command-line/ | Apr 11 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | I'll get ready to post some more positive Linux news soon | Apr 11 16:54 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: it seems that they aren't infallible, if they defend crApple | Apr 11 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Should techright start a campaign about Apple? | Apr 11 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Like Boycott Novell? | Apr 11 16:55 |
| schestowitz | *techrights | Apr 11 16:55 |
| MinceR | and if they defend similar practices to crApple's | Apr 11 16:55 |
| schestowitz | I can add one to the wiki | Apr 11 16:55 |
| schestowitz | We need a name for the campaign | Apr 11 16:55 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: if we have enough articles then it would be a good idea | Apr 11 16:55 |
| MinceR | we probably do | Apr 11 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Like 'defective by design', it ought to be catchy | Apr 11 16:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes | Apr 11 16:55 |
| schestowitz | I can list many articles under a heading | Apr 11 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Come up with a name | Apr 11 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Apple sues Linux, screws users, pretends to love them | Apr 11 16:56 |
| Eruaran | We have a client who is using Outlook with MAPILab groupware server. They just spent over a thousand dollars on 25+ user licenses etc. And now they're having problems with the latest mapilab and outlook... Before this year it is my mission to get them moved to Kolab/Kontact. | Apr 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Apple suffocates users with suppression | Apr 11 16:56 |
| Eruaran | *Before this year is out | Apr 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: I count on you for a logo :-)D | Apr 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: let's come up with a name now | Apr 11 16:56 |
| schestowitz | I'll start by listing posts | Apr 11 16:57 |
| MinceR | RottenApple? :> | Apr 11 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Isn't that taken? | Apr 11 16:57 |
| MinceR | BoycottApple? | Apr 11 16:57 |
| MinceR | dunno | Apr 11 16:57 |
| schestowitz | it's also crass | Apr 11 16:57 |
| MinceR | LittleMicrosoft? | Apr 11 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Boycott Apple would be a little hackney | Apr 11 16:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: your mother. | Apr 11 16:57 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: nope | Apr 11 16:57 |
| schestowitz | I can't think of one... | Apr 11 16:57 |
| schestowitz | VIsta 7 is funny | Apr 11 16:58 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: that would have nothing to reference crApple | Apr 11 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Someone brought it up in IRC | Apr 11 16:58 |
| schestowitz | We also need a campaign about Microsoft | Apr 11 16:58 |
| MinceR | Crappy crApple | Apr 11 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Apr 11 16:58 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 11 16:58 |
| MinceR | Boycott crAp | Apr 11 16:58 |
| schestowitz | "Toy" something | Apr 11 16:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | holy shit | Apr 11 16:58 |
| MinceR | MacinToy? | Apr 11 16:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Apr 11 16:58 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: I've been fiddling with Scribus... never really used it before so I'm learning as I go. Hopefully will have something for you in the next couple of days. | Apr 11 16:58 |
| schestowitz | SHapple | Apr 11 16:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just discovered the best feature of Java | Apr 11 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Like sheeple? | Apr 11 16:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | private static final String _ = "_"; | Apr 11 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: thanks | Apr 11 16:59 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: fair use is allowance under law. Fighting for change does not require breaking law. | Apr 11 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Needs transparent background :-) | Apr 11 16:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | String foo = "foo" + _ + "bar"; | Apr 11 16:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | "foo_bar" | Apr 11 16:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | bwahahahhaah | Apr 11 16:59 |
| Eruaran | lol | Apr 11 16:59 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: why is that so great? | Apr 11 16:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | saves me from having to type out "_" | Apr 11 16:59 |
| MinceR | ic | Apr 11 16:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | its really ugly when you're doing lots of string constructing | Apr 11 16:59 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: fair use is something that people often only get in theory, but not in practice | Apr 11 17:00 |
| schestowitz | I'll ask my brother... | Apr 11 17:00 |
| *schestowitz on phone | Apr 11 17:00 | |
| Eruaran | I feel like such a douche at the moment | Apr 11 17:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | you're not? | Apr 11 17:01 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: also, following laws one disagrees with might be immoral in some cases | Apr 11 17:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I know. Most of the reason why copyright sux so much now is only companies have cared about it. | Apr 11 17:01 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: Evil Toys? | Apr 11 17:01 |
| oiaohm | You don't see people grouping up to presure more sane copyright times. MinceR | Apr 11 17:02 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: see also "civil disobedience" | Apr 11 17:02 |
| MinceR | actually i do | Apr 11 17:02 |
| MinceR | pirate parties, for example | Apr 11 17:02 |
| Eruaran | We have clients that rely on proprietary groupware solutions that basically suck mainly because they are defective by design and geared for lock-in and expensive yearly license fees. | Apr 11 17:02 |
| Eruaran | And only yesterday did I start looking seriously for FOSS alternatives... Of course I quickly discovered that Kolab with Kontact is awesome. | Apr 11 17:03 |
| Eruaran | So I feel like an idiot now. | Apr 11 17:03 |
| oiaohm | Pirate parties undermine thier location by breaching copy right. Ones pushing for creative common and the like are partly on the correct path. MinceR | Apr 11 17:03 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: location? | Apr 11 17:03 |
| oiaohm | position sorry. MinceR | Apr 11 17:04 |
| MinceR | and how can someone undermine his position regarding bad copyright laws by not following those laws? | Apr 11 17:04 |
| oiaohm | My brain got really creative for a split second. | Apr 11 17:04 |
| MinceR | it's pretty much in support of that position if anything | Apr 11 17:04 |
| Eruaran | We can free our clients from defective by design proprietary shared calendars. Eureka! | Apr 11 17:04 |
| schestowitz | We also need a name for the Microsoft campaign | Apr 11 17:04 |
| oiaohm | If a bank robber want to make robbing banks legal ie does not work right. MinceR | Apr 11 17:05 |
| schestowitz | We have about 4,000 posts about Microsoft to arrange | Apr 11 17:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: evil toys doesn't say it's "Apple" | Apr 11 17:05 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: Boycott Microsoft? Kill Microsoft? Save The World From Microsoft? | Apr 11 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Evil Fruit? | Apr 11 17:05 |
| MinceR | Evil Fruit would work | Apr 11 17:05 |
| MinceR | or Fruit of Evil | Apr 11 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Fruit oft he Devil? | Apr 11 17:05 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft: An Ongoing Expose | Apr 11 17:05 |
| MinceR | not so sure of that one | Apr 11 17:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | Diablo's Blog. | Apr 11 17:05 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Apr 11 17:05 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: do you like "MacinToy"? or "MacinTrash"? | Apr 11 17:06 |
| Eruaran | InvestigateM$ | Apr 11 17:06 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of issues with breaching copyright. Number 1 recommending people the product. So others buy it. So the one doing copyright you don't like is still making money. | Apr 11 17:06 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i don't understand. | Apr 11 17:06 |
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| MinceR | in any case, some artists make money in ways other than relying on copyright law. | Apr 11 17:07 |
| oiaohm | I have a case here a person I know is a pirate. Recommending every MS product on earth to his friends and not touching OpenOffice because its not Microsoft. MinceR | Apr 11 17:07 |
| MinceR | ic | Apr 11 17:07 |
| oiaohm | So some of his friends buy MS Office. | Apr 11 17:07 |
| MinceR | well, he obviously only sees the financial side of the m$ problem. | Apr 11 17:07 |
| MinceR | so he's wrong regardless of whether he infringes on copyright or not. | Apr 11 17:08 |
| oiaohm | His arguement is compadiblity. | Apr 11 17:08 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: iBoycott Apple | Apr 11 17:08 |
| MinceR | iAvoid Apple | Apr 11 17:08 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: then he has insufficient clue. | Apr 11 17:09 |
| oiaohm | Problem is his heavy use. He does not know other products to give people sain. | Apr 11 17:09 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft Office is not compatible with anything | Apr 11 17:09 |
| MinceR | m$ office is often incompatble even with its own different versions | Apr 11 17:09 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/Google/?p=1930 | Apr 11 17:09 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Can I be a Windows, Apple, Linux, and Google guy all at once? | Googling Google | ZDNet.com .::. Size~: 83.75 KB | Apr 11 17:09 |
| oiaohm | Even people who hate MS when a person has been using X program to do X job that they have nicked when someone asks them to do X job the will recommend it by mistake. | Apr 11 17:09 |
| schestowitz | "MacinToy" is good | Apr 11 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Would that also cover other products? | Apr 11 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Like hypePod? | Apr 11 17:09 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: oh... I have one | Apr 11 17:10 |
| oiaohm | Now what would happen if no one uses or recommends the problem products MinceR | Apr 11 17:10 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i think it would | Apr 11 17:10 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: MAChinations | Apr 11 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: these can be good ones too | Apr 11 17:11 |
| oiaohm | The first and correct solution is don't do business in any form with the problem if possiable. MinceR | Apr 11 17:11 |
| schestowitz | I like "MacinToy" cause it's humour | Apr 11 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Like Vista 7 | Apr 11 17:11 |
| schestowitz | It's hard to point at us as "angry bunch" | Apr 11 17:11 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: if you end up with many ideas to name something, you could even put up a poll to choose from the options. | Apr 11 17:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: we have some old polling s/w | Apr 11 17:11 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 11 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Not used it for 3 years though | Apr 11 17:11 |
| schestowitz | OK, let's pick up suggestions | Apr 11 17:12 |
| Eruaran | A friend who works in another company nearby told me how they got into a fight with another company serving their client recently | Apr 11 17:12 |
| MinceR | the downside is that the result is somewhat unpredictable, the upside is that it helps if one's indecisive and can drive some traffic to the site while the poll lasts | Apr 11 17:12 |
| Eruaran | (they supply and service their own software solution whereas this other company does other stuff) | Apr 11 17:12 |
| MinceR | another downside is that it might be open to attacks | Apr 11 17:12 |
| oiaohm | Breaching the law to solve problem if it ownly ends up still creating profit what was the point. MinceR Your protest is worthless. MinceR | Apr 11 17:12 |
| Eruaran | Basically the customer needs a file server... thats it. | Apr 11 17:12 |
| Eruaran | Nothing fancy | Apr 11 17:12 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: that's not the only way to break the law. | Apr 11 17:13 |
| Eruaran | These clowns were trying to sell them a Microsoft Exchange server | Apr 11 17:13 |
| Eruaran | Lots of $$$$ | Apr 11 17:13 |
| schestowitz | I'll do a post with the suggestions given here | Apr 11 17:13 |
| oiaohm | There is no real valid reason to break copyright. MinceR | Apr 11 17:13 |
| Eruaran | For a headache | Apr 11 17:13 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: there are many valid reasons | Apr 11 17:13 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: for example if someone can't avoid installing some m$ product, he can at least avoid paying for it and thus sponsoring m$'s campaigns against freedom. | Apr 11 17:13 |
| oiaohm | You do far more damage to the copyright holder obeying copyright and using something else that does not put restrictions on you. MinceR | Apr 11 17:14 |
| Eruaran | During our discussion I said, "sounds like all they need is an old PC with Linux on it... or if they want shiny and new, a ReadyNAS duo with a couple of hard drives" | Apr 11 17:14 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: you can also get media (not software) and pay the original artists directly. | Apr 11 17:14 |
| Eruaran | He agreed | Apr 11 17:14 |
| Eruaran | And told me thats what the fight was about | Apr 11 17:14 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the software you choose and the music you choose. Some you can pay the programmer or artist directly some you cannot. | Apr 11 17:15 |
| oiaohm | Remember profit is the all important thing MinceR | Apr 11 17:16 |
| MinceR | not to everybody. | Apr 11 17:16 |
| oiaohm | To people placing restriction it is. | Apr 11 17:16 |
| oiaohm | Profit in some form. | Apr 11 17:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: not necessarily to those deciding whether to obey copyright law, though. | Apr 11 17:17 |
| oiaohm | Your response must be designed to harm the profit if you are going to make progress and change things. | Apr 11 17:17 |
| oiaohm | The ones that decide to break it normally create more profit. | Apr 11 17:17 |
| MinceR | you haven't proven that. | Apr 11 17:18 |
| MinceR | in some cases it won't, in some cases it will | Apr 11 17:18 |
| oiaohm | This even includes like choosing a new version of MS office so everyone dealing with them is now getting files they cannot handle. | Apr 11 17:18 |
| MinceR | and you can make sure it won't | Apr 11 17:18 |
| oiaohm | Almost all cases MinceR | Apr 11 17:18 |
| MinceR | (such as keeping your decision secret) | Apr 11 17:18 |
| oiaohm | Human nature. | Apr 11 17:18 |
| MinceR | reason can (and should) overcome human nature | Apr 11 17:18 |
| MinceR | that's a goal we should strive for. | Apr 11 17:19 |
| oiaohm | If you are using X to do X what do you think of when someone asks you how to do X. MinceR | Apr 11 17:19 |
| oiaohm | You are saying you don't have that human nature. | Apr 11 17:19 |
| MinceR | "i don't know"? | Apr 11 17:19 |
| oiaohm | That you will not become walking advertisement by mistake. | Apr 11 17:19 |
| MinceR | "don't do X"? | Apr 11 17:19 |
| oiaohm | For the very item that is a problem. | Apr 11 17:19 |
| MinceR | "hand it to me and i'll do it for you"? | Apr 11 17:20 |
| oiaohm | Then someone will want to watch you do it. | Apr 11 17:20 |
| oiaohm | So you are still advertisement. | Apr 11 17:20 |
| MinceR | doesn't mean i have to let them. | Apr 11 17:20 |
| oiaohm | So you say you will never take the simpler way out. | Apr 11 17:20 |
| oiaohm | And just same come along and forget you have nicked the program. | Apr 11 17:21 |
| MinceR | also, what if the task is transient -- for example, you have a bunch of data you can only free with non-gratis proprietary apps, and then you can convert them into free formats? | Apr 11 17:21 |
| oiaohm | Most cases of copyright breach are not transient. | Apr 11 17:21 |
| MinceR | "most" is not "all" | Apr 11 17:22 |
| oiaohm | Those that rare small percentage might be valid. | Apr 11 17:22 |
| oiaohm | But even then lot of cases still no. Since you normally need less copies of the programs than what you had in the first place for transition. | Apr 11 17:22 |
| oiaohm | And the advertisement damage from the use of the old numbers would already be done. | Apr 11 17:23 |
| MinceR | offtopic: maynard's statement regarding the GPL is indeed very m$-ish | Apr 11 17:23 |
| oiaohm | Basically Dollars is only one part of the problem. The human nature to advertise is another. | Apr 11 17:24 |
| MinceR | i never said that using non-gratis proprietary software would be the best solution in all cases | Apr 11 17:24 |
| MinceR | just that in some cases it could be necessary and in those cases it could be preferable to not pay for them. | Apr 11 17:24 |
| MinceR | and the next time someone asks you can know enough to tell them how to avoid needing that software in the first place. | Apr 11 17:25 |
| oiaohm | Also lot of those cases fall under fair use legal defence. MinceR | Apr 11 17:25 |
| oiaohm | Ie using them to recover data that was legally yours with no intention of keeping on using was won as fair use in Australia. | Apr 11 17:25 |
| MinceR | fair use often isn't really recognized | Apr 11 17:26 |
| MinceR | that's why crap like DRM can still exist | Apr 11 17:26 |
| oiaohm | Fair use is a defence not a right. | Apr 11 17:26 |
| MinceR | also, not all the world is australia | Apr 11 17:26 |
| oiaohm | Don't mix that up. | Apr 11 17:26 |
| MinceR | if you don't have the right then you'll still be punished, even if you say "but it was fair use" | Apr 11 17:26 |
| MinceR | if it's not a right then it's useless | Apr 11 17:27 |
| oiaohm | Fair use is not a legal right. | Apr 11 17:27 |
| MinceR | and once again doing the right thing will lead you to break the law | Apr 11 17:27 |
| oiaohm | It a legal defence. | Apr 11 17:27 |
| MinceR | then why are you talking about fair use? | Apr 11 17:27 |
| oiaohm | Usage by the rules of fair use are not classed as breach of law. | Apr 11 17:28 |
| oiaohm | But the rules are tight. MinceR | Apr 11 17:28 |
| MinceR | they're also wrong | Apr 11 17:28 |
| oiaohm | Problem is when you are doing more than what fair use allows you are normally assisting copyright holder to sell their items. MinceR | Apr 11 17:30 |
| oiaohm | So you are really losing. | Apr 11 17:31 |
| oiaohm | So why should the people pushing to make DRM laws harder change thier ways if what they are doing is profit making. | Apr 11 17:32 |
| oiaohm | And no one is protesting effectively against them. | Apr 11 17:32 |
| *schestowitz prepared post enquiring about campaign names | Apr 11 17:32 | |
| MinceR | not necessarily assisting them. | Apr 11 17:32 |
| oiaohm | It does. | Apr 11 17:32 |
| oiaohm | You are breaching copyright. They preset you as a example of a law breaker and an example to harder and more nasty laws to protect thier rights. | Apr 11 17:33 |
| oiaohm | It always does. | Apr 11 17:33 |
| oiaohm | One way or another MinceR | Apr 11 17:33 |
| MinceR | they present you as a law breaker even if you avoid their products | Apr 11 17:34 |
| MinceR | see recent anti-FLOSS campaigns. | Apr 11 17:34 |
| oiaohm | Of course | Apr 11 17:34 |
| MinceR | you can't really let the bogus claims of your enemies control what you do. | Apr 11 17:34 |
| oiaohm | Floss is profit damaging. | Apr 11 17:34 |
| oiaohm | So more people who do it more damage it does to their bottom line so they have to fight it. | Apr 11 17:35 |
| oiaohm | Yes pro FLOSS campaigns get to fight back without as much resistance because people using FLOSS are techically doing nothing wrong. | Apr 11 17:36 |
| oiaohm | Effective fight back from the FLOSS side will make the anti-FLOSS people look evil and as the criminal long term. | Apr 11 17:36 |
| MinceR | what's "wrong" is not a function of the laws | Apr 11 17:36 |
| oiaohm | Some countries already are seeing it as permitable to block closed source from contracts and accept open source only. | Apr 11 17:37 |
| MinceR | and claiming that "legal"=="right" and "illegal"=="wrong" isn't exactly going to help you reform copyright law. | Apr 11 17:37 |
| oiaohm | If people doing legally the right thing started asking for shorter copyright terms? How do you effectively argue against them. | Apr 11 17:38 |
| oiaohm | Basically 2 wrongs don't ever make a right. MinceR | Apr 11 17:39 |
| MinceR | you keep confusing "illegal" with "wrong" | Apr 11 17:39 |
| oiaohm | Problem is you are missing something. When you come to asking for change the first thing going threw people you are asking is has they done wrong. | Apr 11 17:40 |
| oiaohm | And in the people you are trying to win to change the rules illegal and wrong match up. MinceR | Apr 11 17:41 |
| MinceR | problem is you'll do anything the law tells you to because you believe it to automatically be the Right Thing. | Apr 11 17:42 |
| oiaohm | Person legal compaining that they don't have access to particular things is far more powerful than an illegal person complaining that stuff that they use cost to much. | Apr 11 17:42 |
| MinceR | if they make a law that you must eat babies every morning, you will. | Apr 11 17:42 |
| oiaohm | No I don't believe the law is always right. MinceR | Apr 11 17:42 |
| oiaohm | But their is a correct way to fight it and be effective. | Apr 11 17:42 |
| MinceR | and if you think whatever happens to be the law in a given moment is the Right Thing then you won't want to change it. | Apr 11 17:42 |
| MinceR | there's no reason to change the law if it's Always Right, is there? | Apr 11 17:43 |
| oiaohm | Most people mix up refusing to follow a law and breaking it as well. | Apr 11 17:43 |
| MinceR | how can someone mix up two things that are equivalent to each other? | Apr 11 17:43 |
| oiaohm | True refusing to follow a law you don't do the action the law requests. | Apr 11 17:43 |
| oiaohm | Note the words don't do. | Apr 11 17:44 |
| oiaohm | Breaking the law does an action. | Apr 11 17:44 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if the difference is significant | Apr 11 17:44 |
| oiaohm | It is significant. | Apr 11 17:44 |
| MinceR | what if the law stated you're not allowed to breathe? will you suffocate because it would be Wrong to break the law? | Apr 11 17:45 |
| oiaohm | That is asking you to perform an action. | Apr 11 17:45 |
| MinceR | no it's not. | Apr 11 17:45 |
| oiaohm | That you have refused todo. | Apr 11 17:45 |
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| oiaohm | Ie no breathe is an action. MinceR | Apr 11 17:46 |
| ender2070 | [06:21] <schestowitz> ender2070: what led you to become part of the tea baggers? | Apr 11 17:46 |
| oiaohm | Laws asking you to give reports on people is another that people commonly refuse todo. | Apr 11 17:46 |
| ender2070 | When did you start taking paycheques from Rockefellar? | Apr 11 17:46 |
| MinceR | how is authorities threatening to harm you for doing or not doing something that's against the law any different from brigands waving a bundle of papers threatening to harm you for doing or not doing something? | Apr 11 17:46 |
| cubezzz | huh? | Apr 11 17:46 |
| cubezzz | he didn't pay :) | Apr 11 17:46 |
| cubezzz | plus I think he died | Apr 11 17:47 |
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| DavidGerard | good afternoon all | Apr 11 17:47 |
| MinceR | hay | Apr 11 17:47 |
| oiaohm | Not doing something is different. MinceR. You were techically refusing. You can still get into trouble for refusing but in the eyes of most of the public you can come out as a good person. | Apr 11 17:47 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - you funded by greenpeace/rockefellar/ted_turner ? | Apr 11 17:47 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: the public can be misled and it often is. | Apr 11 17:47 |
| DavidGerard | ender2070: schestowitz is actually a deep, deep, deep cover microsoft agent | Apr 11 17:48 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 11 17:48 |
| ender2070 | i doubt that one | Apr 11 17:48 |
| oiaohm | But the public on the other hand have you docmented as doing an action that was wrong. Are really simple to turn against your cause. MinceR | Apr 11 17:48 |
| ender2070 | how is your breakfast of a bucket of cocks David? | Apr 11 17:48 |
| ender2070 | ;) | Apr 11 17:49 |
| DavidGerard | you get lots more buckets of cocks(tm) with Bing!(tm). | Apr 11 17:49 |
| DavidGerard | in my experience. | Apr 11 17:49 |
| ender2070 | i have to admit, i don't know | Apr 11 17:49 |
| DavidGerard | page one of results from bing is as good as google. | Apr 11 17:49 |
| DavidGerard | pages two onwards are unbelievably terrible and irrelevant | Apr 11 17:49 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: if the public religiously believes that my enemies are right and i am wrong then there's not much i can do anyway. | Apr 11 17:49 |
| DavidGerard | and just ... silly. things like, a hit on a blog page that contains only a link to another blog page on the topic. but not to the blog page on the topic at all. | Apr 11 17:50 |
| DavidGerard | it's like the 1997 websearching experience all over again. | Apr 11 17:50 |
| cubezzz | I looked at bing just to see if it showed Linux sites | Apr 11 17:50 |
| DavidGerard | the kids today forget why google is popular. | Apr 11 17:50 |
| DavidGerard | it's because everything else really was complete and utter shit, and still is. | Apr 11 17:50 |
| DavidGerard | remember how embarrassingly bad cuil was? | Apr 11 17:50 |
| cubezzz | no way, I still use gopher | Apr 11 17:50 |
| DavidGerard | EVERY search engine was like that in 1997. | Apr 11 17:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: lot of the people who caused change if they believe that no change would have happened. MinceR. The truth always has a way of coming out Ok might be 50 years after your death and now you are held up as the lead of the cause and the change comes in the end. | Apr 11 17:51 |
| DavidGerard | there were i think six major search engines. and they were all EMBARRASSINGLY BAD. | Apr 11 17:51 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: that won't affect me. | Apr 11 17:51 |
| DavidGerard | inktomi, lycos, hotbot, msn, yahoo, excite | Apr 11 17:51 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and things can change so that the truth will never come out again. have you read 1984? | Apr 11 17:51 |
| cubezzz | that was the first search engine? | Apr 11 17:51 |
| DavidGerard | inktomi swallowed lycos and hotbot and (i think) excite | Apr 11 17:51 |
| cubezzz | or I mean what was the first search engine? | Apr 11 17:52 |
| DavidGerard | webcrawler | Apr 11 17:52 |
| DavidGerard | i think | Apr 11 17:52 |
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| DavidGerard | only app open is irc | Apr 11 17:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Normally not against people doing the right things. Due to the fact people doing the right things don't have to hide what they are doing either. MinceR | Apr 11 17:52 |
| cubezzz | ok, here's a more interesting question... | Apr 11 17:52 |
| cubezzz | what was the latest computer to be documented down to the register level? as in video chips, sound chips, etc | Apr 11 17:53 |
| cubezzz | bios... | Apr 11 17:53 |
| DavidGerard | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebCrawler | Apr 11 17:53 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: they do have to hide it if some people are after them with guns. | Apr 11 17:53 |
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| cubezzz | btw it says Archie was the first :) | Apr 11 17:54 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i.e. authorities. | Apr 11 17:54 |
| DavidGerard | no idea :-D | Apr 11 17:54 |
| cubezzz | Archie is still in high school after 70 years :) | Apr 11 17:54 |
| DavidGerard | webcrawler was first with full text search | Apr 11 17:54 |
| cubezzz | ok, I'm going to answer my own question | Apr 11 17:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Some of the worst nightmares for china are the ones they don't hide that they cannot kill because they don't fight ie so china look bad if they kill them. Remember I said doing the right things you might not be alive to see the change. | Apr 11 17:55 |
| cubezzz | it's the Amiga 3000 from 20 years ago | Apr 11 17:55 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: how many are the ones you haven't heard of and were killed? | Apr 11 17:55 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: remember, china has even more censorship than australia. | Apr 11 17:55 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: not exactly true. Some of the SOC chip systems are to that level of detail. | Apr 11 17:56 |
| MinceR | btw, chinese resistance communicating with the outside world is exactly an example of acting against the law because it's the right thing to do | Apr 11 17:56 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, what about a whole computer though? | Apr 11 17:56 |
| MinceR | would you advocate against that too, oiaohm? | Apr 11 17:56 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: also, what about using a proxy from australia to get around the Great Firewall of Australia? | Apr 11 17:57 |
| MinceR | what's more these actions are "breaking the law" because they're actions the law says you shouldn't do | Apr 11 17:58 |
| oiaohm | What is the action the china is requesting. Don't tell right. MinceR. | Apr 11 17:58 |
| MinceR | then there's the case when the cult of $cientology used copyright law to suppress those who would expose them. | Apr 11 17:59 |
| MinceR | do you think the law should have been obeyed in that case? | Apr 11 17:59 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: that case is tricky. Their were fair use ways of getting the Scientology information out. | Apr 11 18:00 |
| MinceR | or so you claim. | Apr 11 18:01 |
| MinceR | what did the court say? | Apr 11 18:01 |
| DavidGerard | well, no, it wasn't that tricky. | Apr 11 18:01 |
| oiaohm | Many did. MinceR | Apr 11 18:01 |
| DavidGerard | the problem with the scientology case is that fair use is a *defence*. | Apr 11 18:01 |
| DavidGerard | i.e. get sued to fuck and then claim it as a defence. | Apr 11 18:01 |
| DavidGerard | at this point the potential of the law for abuse should be trivially obvious. | Apr 11 18:01 |
| MinceR | yet some people choose to ignore that and present law as if it was infallible. | Apr 11 18:02 |
| MinceR | and above morals. | Apr 11 18:02 |
| DavidGerard | when you claim "fair use", you're asserting that it's such a clear case that you would definitely win. | Apr 11 18:02 |
| DavidGerard | but you are still claiming "make my day." | Apr 11 18:02 |
| DavidGerard | no-one who saw the digital economy bill go through would ever think such a thing ever again. | Apr 11 18:02 |
| oiaohm | Remember a well prepaired fair use defence. It can back fire on the attacker. | Apr 11 18:02 |
| oiaohm | Reason advertisement of what they have been upto. | Apr 11 18:02 |
| DavidGerard | oiaohm: helloooooo *waves* person who was in the thick of the scientology wars and actually got real legal threats on paper from the CoS here, actual subject area expert. | Apr 11 18:03 |
| MinceR | the attacker's reputation suffering is hardly any consolation after you've been jailed or have been robbed of all your money. | Apr 11 18:03 |
| DavidGerard | indeed. | Apr 11 18:03 |
| DavidGerard | the law is merely a tool. | Apr 11 18:03 |
| DavidGerard | it's a technology which was designed by and for the powerful. | Apr 11 18:03 |
| DavidGerard | you can use it to a certain degree but it is absolutely not yours. | Apr 11 18:04 |
| DavidGerard | it should be respected as a dangerous object and as a useful thing | Apr 11 18:04 |
| DavidGerard | but its purpose is public order, not justice or morality. | Apr 11 18:04 |
| DavidGerard | if you feel otherwise, i look forward to your explanation of the virtues of the debill and the process by which it became law. | Apr 11 18:05 |
| oiaohm | When you going into area that fair use is going to be important it is important to make sure you have done everything right. | Apr 11 18:05 |
| DavidGerard | oiaohm: in my experience, doing everything right doesn't matter. | Apr 11 18:05 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of ways to screw up in the writing of stuff. | Apr 11 18:05 |
| DavidGerard | unless you're saying to anyone who got sued to shit "obviously you didn't get it right, by definition." | Apr 11 18:05 |
| oiaohm | The hardest part of fair use is not being able to damage the other sides worth. | Apr 11 18:05 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Apr 11 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Boohoo http://theflashblog.com/?p=1888 | Apr 11 18:05 |
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| cubezzz | it's the rich that usually win | Apr 11 18:06 |
| DavidGerard | in the scientology case, the precise purpose of the fair use was in fact to damage the other side's worth, in the public interest. | Apr 11 18:06 |
| oiaohm | Ie just publishing the information and letting others . | Apr 11 18:06 |
| cubezzz | not always of course | Apr 11 18:06 |
| DavidGerard | i'm getting the idea you really, really haven't thought this through to any depth whatsoever. | Apr 11 18:06 |
| oiaohm | Make the case. | Apr 11 18:06 |
| DavidGerard | and are talking out your hat. | Apr 11 18:06 |
| oiaohm | That was the scientology case problem. | Apr 11 18:06 |
| DavidGerard | right, so apart from that real world example, your theory is perfect? | Apr 11 18:06 |
| oiaohm | Fair use does not allow the direct goal of damage. | Apr 11 18:07 |
| cubezzz | Scientologists are nutbars though | Apr 11 18:07 |
| oiaohm | Yet others got other information out of Scientology. | Apr 11 18:07 |
| DavidGerard | oiaohm: it does if it's in the poublic interest. | Apr 11 18:07 |
| oiaohm | You don't have to tell the public a finding. | Apr 11 18:07 |
| DavidGerard | oiaohm: you are pontificating from first principles, with a glaring lack of experience, to someone (me) who actually had to deal with this in real life. | Apr 11 18:07 |
| oiaohm | You can let the public make up thier own mind DavidGerard | Apr 11 18:07 |
| DavidGerard | do, please, stop talking *complete and utter bollocks*. | Apr 11 18:08 |
| Eruaran | Conroy wanted Google to start censoring its own content. He blatantly mentioned that if Google can censor content in China they can in Australia as well. The response from Google was immediate and terse. | Apr 11 18:08 |
| oiaohm | I did not say using fair use is simple DavidGerard | Apr 11 18:08 |
| oiaohm | Others against Scientology managed to get it right. | Apr 11 18:08 |
| DavidGerard | you're spouting mind-numbingly stupid and intelligence-insulting idiocy. | Apr 11 18:08 |
| DavidGerard | it's painful to hear. | Apr 11 18:08 |
| oiaohm | And Scientology was unable to do anything about it. | Apr 11 18:08 |
| DavidGerard | do you have *any* practical experience in what you're talking about? | Apr 11 18:08 |
| oiaohm | Yes. | Apr 11 18:09 |
| DavidGerard | do tell. | Apr 11 18:09 |
| oiaohm | With the media here. One group just reported everything they had saw and gathered. No point of view. Ie fair use. | Apr 11 18:09 |
| oiaohm | The other media groups make the points of view from it. | Apr 11 18:09 |
| DavidGerard | no, i mean an example i can look up. | Apr 11 18:10 |
| oiaohm | No legal leg for Scientology to stand on. | Apr 11 18:10 |
| DavidGerard | mine is most of http://www.suburbia.net/~fun/scn/ | Apr 11 18:10 |
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| DavidGerard | (the sysadmin behind that site, btw, was Julian Assange, who is now doing WikiLeaks. He's got a fair bit of experience at this stuff too.) | Apr 11 18:10 |
| DavidGerard | there are many levels to run a publicity campaign against an odious organisation at | Apr 11 18:11 |
| DavidGerard | and you really do have to use *lots* of them. | Apr 11 18:11 |
| oiaohm | ACA recently DavidGerard. Then mirrored off on other shows. Lot of the media firms here have learnt how to do it right. | Apr 11 18:11 |
| MinceR | WikiLeaks breaks copyright law too, don't they? :> | Apr 11 18:12 |
| DavidGerard | you need people who do it calmly, and you need people who go way, way over the top so the others can look good saying "well, we're not as bad as *them*, of course not." | Apr 11 18:12 |
| DavidGerard | wikileaks blows great big holes in copyright law. | Apr 11 18:12 |
| DavidGerard | everyone considers it a prime target of the debill. | Apr 11 18:12 |
| cubezzz | didn't Ford try to stop people taking pictures of their car? :) | Apr 11 18:12 |
| cubezzz | I mean there's a limit | Apr 11 18:12 |
| DavidGerard | the law is a tool, and it's not our tool. | Apr 11 18:12 |
| MinceR | then i'm expecting oiaohm to say that the existence of WikiLeaks is harmful | Apr 11 18:12 |
| DavidGerard | start from that and you'll have some idea. | Apr 11 18:13 |
| DavidGerard | copyright violation is clearly a moral obligation. | Apr 11 18:13 |
| DavidGerard | the record industry pushed through the DE bill, a huge threat to democracy. | Apr 11 18:13 |
| DavidGerard | therefore, the record industry must actually be destroyed. | Apr 11 18:13 |
| cubezzz | I don't think people know all what's legal and what's not | Apr 11 18:13 |
| DavidGerard | they are an active threat to democracy. | Apr 11 18:13 |
| schestowitz | [18:06] <DavidGerard> right, so apart from that real world example, your theory is perfect? | Apr 11 18:13 |
| schestowitz | [18:07] <oiaohm> Fair use does not allow the direct goal of da | Apr 11 18:13 |
| DavidGerard | their copyright must be disrespected and destroyed. | Apr 11 18:13 |
| DavidGerard | their business models must in fact be damaged beyond repair. | Apr 11 18:14 |
| cubezzz | people don't respect copyright | Apr 11 18:14 |
| DavidGerard | this is an actual goal and is important. | Apr 11 18:14 |
| cubezzz | they are _always_ copying stuff | Apr 11 18:14 |
| DavidGerard | yep. | Apr 11 18:14 |
| MinceR | copyright as it is now is not respectable | Apr 11 18:14 |
| Eruaran | heh their business model IS damaged beyond repair | Apr 11 18:14 |
| DavidGerard | copyright is basically bollocks. | Apr 11 18:14 |
| DavidGerard | Eruaran: no, they're still thrashing about. | Apr 11 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Hi DavidGerard | Apr 11 18:14 |
| DavidGerard | they need killing quicker. | Apr 11 18:15 |
| cubezzz | what is it, 90 years after the death of the creator now? | Apr 11 18:15 |
| Eruaran | Their losing money because they suck | Apr 11 18:15 |
| cubezzz | they keep making it longer and longer :) | Apr 11 18:15 |
| DavidGerard | copyright, like patents, is an artificial monopoly constructed as a compromise | Apr 11 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Until it snaps | Apr 11 18:15 |
| DavidGerard | it's now at the stage of being seriously, actively damaging and must be taken out. | Apr 11 18:15 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: see if you like any of the campaign names. We might do one for copyright and debill | Apr 11 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Certainly for ACTA where it's not too late | Apr 11 18:16 |
| MinceR | what about sw patents? | Apr 11 18:16 |
| DavidGerard | anyone who claims copyright must inherently be respected is just too stupid to talk to. | Apr 11 18:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: some cases items like WikiLeaks can be harmful because sometimes items published their make getting jurriors for cases hard. Something like WikiLeaks need to be a last option. | Apr 11 18:16 |
| DavidGerard | perhaps listen to the fluff coming out their mouth as an interesting example, but don't try to engage them seriously on any thinking level. | Apr 11 18:16 |
| cubezzz | even so, I wouldn't want to write an ebook and have everybody copy it | Apr 11 18:17 |
| Eruaran | I'm sure Stephen King would love this. | Apr 11 18:17 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yeah, let's just keep the governments' dirty internal dealings secret, right? | Apr 11 18:17 |
| Eruaran | :P | Apr 11 18:17 |
| DavidGerard | oiaohm: please list the examples of harm wikileaks has caused. | Apr 11 18:17 |
| MinceR | the better for them to rule us. | Apr 11 18:17 |
| cubezzz | copyright could be good | Apr 11 18:17 |
| DavidGerard | cubezzz: could be, currently isn't. | Apr 11 18:17 |
| DavidGerard | the general public seem to default to something similar to cc-by-nc-sa - share, credit, don't make money | Apr 11 18:17 |
| DavidGerard | not identical, but that seems to be the feeling | Apr 11 18:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: What if the person gets off due to it being published so they get away with it. Keep their job but this time they know to do it better. DavidGerard Sorry there are quite a few cases like that with Wikileaks where the leak wears it and person who caused it just gets moved sideways for a while. | Apr 11 18:20 |
| Eruaran | Sometimes the problem is purely cultural | Apr 11 18:20 |
| oiaohm | Its not like wikileaks causes big enough protests to get lot of the problem causes fired. | Apr 11 18:21 |
| oiaohm | Really it supprising how much change 20 people with large signs can cause at times. | Apr 11 18:23 |
| ender2070 | thats because people are generally apathetic and/or stupid and don't give a shit most of the time | Apr 11 18:23 |
| cubezzz | I think they do care | Apr 11 18:24 |
| ender2070 | no they dont | Apr 11 18:24 |
| oiaohm | Yes the problem is cultural everyone wants to take the simple way and not risk the embancement of being the only one making a public stand or don't care. | Apr 11 18:24 |
| cubezzz | but just feel powerless to change things | Apr 11 18:24 |
| DavidGerard | and it's surprising how little change thousands or millions of people with signs can cause at times | Apr 11 18:24 |
| ender2070 | your average person doesnt give a shit unless their tv is being taken away | Apr 11 18:24 |
| DavidGerard | indeed | Apr 11 18:24 |
| oiaohm | Again it does depend where and how DavidGerard | Apr 11 18:25 |
| schestowitz | So small yet powerful: http://hothardware.com/News/Holy-Mega-Multitasking-Batman-Intel-Handing-Out-Samples-of-Experimental-48Core-Chip/ I found a nice analogy that says the number of atoms in an apple is about the number of apples that fit Earth. | Apr 11 18:25 |
| ender2070 | i quote UK DOD "Out to 2040" all the time and nobody takes it seriously, people are fucking selfish/apathetic and won't do anything | Apr 11 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | New Zealand talking about whether to become part of Australia http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8612287.stm | Apr 11 18:25 |
| cubezzz | my programming docs were taken away and I definitely give a shit :) | Apr 11 18:25 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: that isn't the leaker's fault, it's the fault of whoever was supposed to stop/punish them (courts, authorities, etc.) | Apr 11 18:25 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard, Eruaran and oiaohm might care | Apr 11 18:25 |
| schestowitz | We're at least 10% Aussie here ATM | Apr 11 18:25 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - im talking about the general public | Apr 11 18:25 |
| cubezzz | probably just lazy then | Apr 11 18:25 |
| ender2070 | selfishness | Apr 11 18:25 |
| ender2070 | yes | Apr 11 18:25 |
| cubezzz | they care, but not enough do to anything | Apr 11 18:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: And do they get punished by wikileaks answer most case no just moved sideways for a while normally with a pay rise. | Apr 11 18:26 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: that's because the world is way too corrupt. | Apr 11 18:26 |
| cubezzz | I can't program my own video card | Apr 11 18:26 |
| oiaohm | Yep corruption is the big issue of all levels. MinceR | Apr 11 18:26 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - what mincer said, the world is way too corrupt | Apr 11 18:26 |
| Eruaran | I have watched as Microsoft moved in and strangled the distribution channels in Australia to kill Linux on netbooks. | Apr 11 18:26 |
| cubezzz | you can get linux devices though | Apr 11 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft? Strangle? Can't be! | Apr 11 18:27 |
| MinceR | and if it wasn't exposed it could become worse much faster. | Apr 11 18:27 |
| Eruaran | I cannot tell large suppliers what to do. But I can educate people. | Apr 11 18:27 |
| cubezzz | there's some stuff, like netwalker | Apr 11 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is now busy suing Linux by proxy | Apr 11 18:27 |
| schestowitz | T3, Neon, TurboHercules, etc. | Apr 11 18:28 |
| schestowitz | And it's getting exposed | Apr 11 18:28 |
| ender2070 | Apple | Apr 11 18:28 |
| schestowitz | This is the type of thing that should land Microsoft executive in prison and have the company shut down | Apr 11 18:28 |
| Eruaran | Its a Microsoft Jihad | Apr 11 18:28 |
| schestowitz | It's run like a criminal gang, by criminals | Apr 11 18:28 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - welcome to globalization | Apr 11 18:28 |
| cubezzz | it is | Apr 11 18:29 |
| cubezzz | it's very bad, it's been bad for a long time now | Apr 11 18:29 |
| cubezzz | that's why I'm getting an Amiga :) | Apr 11 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | ender2070: what does that have to do with it? | Apr 11 18:29 |
| ender2070 | all the mega multi national corporations are run by criminals and psychopaths | Apr 11 18:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Putting some items on freecycle. Watching apache logs to see who looks at the pictures :) | Apr 11 18:29 | |
| schestowitz | ender2070: DavidGerard exposed me | Apr 11 18:30 |
| ender2070 | they become multi national to avoid laws to shut them down | Apr 11 18:30 |
| schestowitz | I'm a secret secret secret secret Microsoft agent :-) | Apr 11 18:30 |
| schestowitz | And Rockefeller pays me to criticise Gates whom he rivals for PR | Apr 11 18:30 |
| ender2070 | i dont know apparently i work for fox | Apr 11 18:30 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 11 18:30 |
| schestowitz | You repeat some of the lies sourced from there | Apr 11 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Like their out-of-context quotes from E-mails | Apr 11 18:31 |
| cubezzz | I wonder what the Rockefellers are doing now | Apr 11 18:31 |
| schestowitz | I showed you some videos debunking that | Apr 11 18:31 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 11 18:31 |
| ender2070 | the emails were hacked and i read a lot of them | Apr 11 18:31 |
| Eruaran | When people look at me like I'm crazy I ask them to consider the kind of money and power global corporations have. Because people still think in terms of nations with power rather than corporations. I point out corporations that have enough liquid cash on hand to pay Australia's national debt in a single payment. You can see it in people's eyes when they experience that "holy shit!" moment. | Apr 11 18:31 |
| ender2070 | not debunked | Apr 11 18:31 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: that's like asking, what are the Rothschields doing? | Apr 11 18:31 |
| ender2070 | just spun by some really good marketing people | Apr 11 18:31 |
| schestowitz | They are een more secretive and distributed | Apr 11 18:31 |
| ender2070 | theres billions of dollars in the greening movement | Apr 11 18:31 |
| schestowitz | *even | Apr 11 18:31 |
| ender2070 | trillions actually | Apr 11 18:31 |
| schestowitz | After some generations dynasties expand. Rockefeller has had less time to expand | Apr 11 18:32 |
| schestowitz | David is only one of them | Apr 11 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | They also have some of the dynasty in politics | Apr 11 18:32 |
| schestowitz | In London, Evelyn Rothschild seems to be among the more visible Rothschilds | Apr 11 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Some change surnames, so a Rockefeller can become a Smith | Apr 11 18:32 |
| ender2070 | yeah but look at the trillions in this movement and tell me its not been hijacked | Apr 11 18:33 |
| Eruaran | I think the Bush family involvement with these cabals is underestimated | Apr 11 18:33 |
| Eruaran | largely... | Apr 11 18:33 |
| ender2070 | greenpeace was funded by rockefellar and ted turner, and they dont know where that funding went back in 2003 | Apr 11 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Palinatologist :-) | Apr 11 18:34 |
| ender2070 | ted turner had a environmentalist propaganda show back in the early 90's called Captain Planet | Apr 11 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Soros funds EFF | Apr 11 18:34 |
| ender2070 | and it went into the whole "Gaia" earth religion | Apr 11 18:34 |
| Eruaran | I remember that cartoon | Apr 11 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: is that the same Ted Turner from CNN? | Apr 11 18:34 |
| ender2070 | the leader of the planeteers was the god of earth | Apr 11 18:34 |
| ender2070 | yes | Apr 11 18:35 |
| ender2070 | Ted Turner from CNN | Apr 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | He's not so sharp,IMHO | Apr 11 18:35 |
| ender2070 | one of the biggest donators to the UN too | Apr 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | One of those non-scientific types | Apr 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | CNN classic | Apr 11 18:35 |
| cubezzz | I remember Captain Planet :) | Apr 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | They love those | Apr 11 18:35 |
| Eruaran | I prefer CNNNN | Apr 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Like Oprah inviting 'psychics' and stuff, then not even challenging them | Apr 11 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Or Larry King with 'alien' folks *LOL* | Apr 11 18:35 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | It's good... | Apr 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | For ratings | Apr 11 18:36 |
| ender2070 | theres a lot of disinfo related to conspiracy theories though | Apr 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | $$ | Apr 11 18:36 |
| ender2070 | makes anyone not marketing the government story to look crazy | Apr 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: some gets misclassified | Apr 11 18:36 |
| cubezzz | I can believe some people are a little bit psychic | Apr 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Evidence available? | Apr 11 18:37 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Apr 11 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Using scientific methods of validation? | Apr 11 18:37 |
| ender2070 | gantsburg | Apr 11 18:37 |
| cubezzz | there was the ping pong ball experiement schestowitz | Apr 11 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Controlled experiments, double-blinded tests, etc? | Apr 11 18:37 |
| Eruaran | I've seen dream experiments with interesting results. | Apr 11 18:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hah! One minute from hitting 'send' on a mail to freecycle and the pictures being viewed. Interesting cross section of browsers they have :) | Apr 11 18:37 | |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: on TV? | Apr 11 18:38 |
| ender2070 | ganzfeld experiment | Apr 11 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Or a journal (peer reviewed)? | Apr 11 18:38 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - ganzfeld experiment | Apr 11 18:38 |
| schestowitz | What's that? | Apr 11 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Names for stuff don't help | Apr 11 18:38 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: not on tv | Apr 11 18:38 |
| schestowitz | They change across languages | Apr 11 18:38 |
| ender2070 | the experiment into ESP | Apr 11 18:38 |
| schestowitz | It's just useful for concise communication | Apr 11 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Like first Newton's law... | Apr 11 18:38 |
| schestowitz | What's that? | Apr 11 18:38 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, it's that thing about forces" | Apr 11 18:39 |
| ender2070 | ESP = psychic powers | Apr 11 18:39 |
| schestowitz | *Newton's first | Apr 11 18:39 |
| schestowitz | psychic is spychotic | Apr 11 18:39 |
| schestowitz | *psychotic | Apr 11 18:39 |
| schestowitz | You wanna see fraudulent nutter, look for any Uri Geller video | Apr 11 18:39 |
| ender2070 | at least I keep an open mind | Apr 11 18:40 |
| ender2070 | but yeah Uri was a fake | Apr 11 18:40 |
| schestowitz | He's one of the few who made a fairly successful career out of fraud | Apr 11 18:40 |
| schestowitz | And it's harmful | Apr 11 18:40 |
| schestowitz | It makes people believe that there is supernatural | Apr 11 18:40 |
| ender2070 | i know history and scientists have been proven wrong hundreds of years later once new scientific methods opened up | Apr 11 18:40 |
| schestowitz | That they can cure cancer with some crazy spalls | Apr 11 18:40 |
| schestowitz | *spell | Apr 11 18:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdxC4byyoE4 | Apr 11 18:41 |
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| ender2070 | schestowitz - pills are just as bad as spells | Apr 11 18:41 |
| Eruaran | Googling but cant find | Apr 11 18:41 |
| Eruaran | was ages ago | Apr 11 18:41 |
| ender2070 | at least spells don't cause nasty side effects while not curing anything | Apr 11 18:41 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: neither does homoeopathy | Apr 11 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Though an overdose of it can lead to water poisoning | Apr 11 18:42 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Apr 11 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Like if you drink 5 litres of homoeopathy bottles | Apr 11 18:42 |
| ender2070 | science isnt perfect however | Apr 11 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Then you need to empty the bladder quite a lot | Apr 11 18:42 |
| Eruaran | basically experiments were done where a subject would sleep and in the room next door people in shifts would stare at or meditate on a picture | Apr 11 18:42 |
| ender2070 | meteorologists, cant even get the weather right - and we're expected to believe 50-150 year future weather predictions | Apr 11 18:42 |
| ender2070 | science is far from perfect | Apr 11 18:43 |
| ender2070 | there will always be new methods added to discover new things | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Stupid statement | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Common disinfo | Apr 11 18:43 |
| ender2070 | not common disinfo | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | You're talking about fluctuations | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: yes, it is | Apr 11 18:43 |
| cubezzz | cold fusion anyone? :) | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | classic talking point | Apr 11 18:43 |
| ender2070 | the weatherman cant even get the weather right a week in advance | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I'm familiar with it | Apr 11 18:43 |
| ender2070 | its my own observation | Apr 11 18:43 |
| DavidGerard | http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/File:HN09poster1A.jpg | Apr 11 18:43 |
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| ender2070 | anyone who practices critical thinking will come up with it | Apr 11 18:43 |
| Eruaran | Anyway... the sleep subjects were woken I think around 4am, interrupting the sleep cycle at a time when its more likely that you'll remember what you were dreaming about. | Apr 11 18:44 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying you can't predict the point's position in a Gaussian, therefore you can't draw a sample of 1000 | Apr 11 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: no, opposite | Apr 11 18:44 |
| DavidGerard | in honour of World Homeopathy Awareness Week | Apr 11 18:44 |
| Eruaran | They were asked to write down and describe if/what they remember dreaming about. | Apr 11 18:44 |
| cubezzz | I can remember some dreams | Apr 11 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Critical thinking will lead to rejecting the talking point | Apr 11 18:44 |
| schestowitz | It's misdirecting | Apr 11 18:44 |
| ender2070 | you can always find an example that doesn't work with provided logic | Apr 11 18:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] hello world from xmpp via #telepathy/#empathy on my #olpc | Apr 11 18:44 | |
| ender2070 | its a tool used to destroy peoples arguments | Apr 11 18:44 |
| ender2070 | think of something else | Apr 11 18:45 |
| schestowitz | James Randi does some funny thing with Homeopathy 'sleeping' pills | Apr 11 18:45 |
| schestowitz | He downs entire packets before he starts a talk | Apr 11 18:45 |
| cubezzz | haha | Apr 11 18:45 |
| ender2070 | i watched someone yesterday sucking back computer duster to get high | Apr 11 18:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: jokes on them | Apr 11 18:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant. | Apr 11 18:46 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Apr 11 18:46 |
| Eruaran | oh dear | Apr 11 18:46 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: your cat? | Apr 11 18:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is doubly hilarious since they put that shit in it so it stinks | Apr 11 18:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | because you cant actually get high | Apr 11 18:46 |
| ender2070 | yes you can actually get high | Apr 11 18:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | the toxic chemicals in it would kill you long before you'd get any high | Apr 11 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Tip-ex | Apr 11 18:47 |
| Eruaran | I've seen people drink Listerine because it has alcohol in it | Apr 11 18:47 |
| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLz8Bf2I4E0 | Apr 11 18:47 |
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| Diablo-D3 | you're better off huffing paint | Apr 11 18:47 |
| DavidGerard | metho in australia no longer contains methanol | Apr 11 18:47 |
| ender2070 | Allison did it | Apr 11 18:47 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 11 18:47 |
| DavidGerard | you can in fact drink it and not be poisoned | Apr 11 18:47 |
| ender2070 | Eruaran - i know someone who did that, it did get them drunk | Apr 11 18:47 |
| DavidGerard | they upped the amount of mercaptans in it to keep people from wanting to drink it tho | Apr 11 18:47 |
| schestowitz | I was in the sauna this afternoon speaking about using vodka steam | Apr 11 18:48 |
| Eruaran | ender2070: with fresh breath as well ;) | Apr 11 18:48 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 11 18:48 |
| schestowitz | How about turpentine drinks? | Apr 11 18:48 |
| schestowitz | I never tasted it, but it smells very strong :-D | Apr 11 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Oh noes. Microsoft fawning. http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Microsoft-to-develop-own-open-source-platform | Apr 11 18:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft to develop own open source platform - Linux Magazine Online .::. Size~: 35.37 KB | Apr 11 18:50 |
| Eruaran | hah | Apr 11 18:50 |
| schestowitz | The "new Microsoft" -- it wants your $$ | Apr 11 18:50 |
| Eruaran | yeah right... I bet that would be "open core" | Apr 11 18:50 |
| ender2070 | lol did u watch that video of the person sucking back duster? | Apr 11 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Needs Windows | Apr 11 18:50 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: bookmarked it myself, dunno about others | Apr 11 18:51 |
| ender2070 | it was from this strange show Intervention | Apr 11 18:51 |
| schestowitz | I just queue up vids, watch it at the end of each day | Apr 11 18:51 |
| ender2070 | about people addicted to various drugs | Apr 11 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Did you hear about Googlogg? | Apr 11 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Great news | Apr 11 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Google is not anti-Ogg | Apr 11 18:51 |
| ender2070 | Googlogg? | Apr 11 18:51 |
| ender2070 | i knew that | Apr 11 18:51 |
| schestowitz | I use YouTube so much, Google Ogg would be good | Apr 11 18:52 |
| Eruaran | Oh Garret Serack... Yes, I read about that already... package management for Windows... Another "useful idiot". | Apr 11 18:52 |
| schestowitz | http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/04/interesting-times-for-video-on-web.html | Apr 11 18:52 |
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| ender2070 | lol package management is needed on Windows | Apr 11 18:52 |
| schestowitz | "If I told you that Google had helped fund an ARM code optimised version of the Theora video codec, most people’s reaction would be immediately to skip forward to the next blog entry. Audio and video codecs are the classic example of things that no one cares about, until they don’t work." | Apr 11 18:52 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: management is needed on Microsoft | Apr 11 18:53 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 11 18:53 |
| schestowitz | It's run by Dons | Apr 11 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Don Ballmer - cheif racketeer | Apr 11 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Don Horacio plays the role of de Vito | Apr 11 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Don Gates is the financier | Apr 11 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Don Knuth will nuke them all | Apr 11 18:54 |
| schestowitz | http://duncan.house.gov/2009/06/22062009.shtml | Apr 11 18:57 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] TurboHercules is a #Microsoft front http://ur1.ca/u68u | Apr 11 18:58 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Firefocks has crashed, and needs cuddles http://ur1.ca/ukm4 | Apr 11 18:58 | |
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| schestowitz | http://nighthacks.com/roller/jag/entry/time_to_move_on so slow... | Apr 11 18:59 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @diablod3 TurboHercules is a #Microsoft front http://ur1.ca/u68u | Apr 11 19:00 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Groklaw - Why I Believe IBM is Free to Sue The Pants Off TurboHercules - Updated 10Xs .::. Size~: 571.61 KB | Apr 11 19:00 |
| schestowitz | What's /this/ company? http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=3219759 | Apr 11 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | WinCE is so ugly. http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/netbooks/277516/datawind-launches-ubisurfer-netbook | Apr 11 19:05 |
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| schestowitz | They put proprietary on it, too | Apr 11 19:06 |
| ender2070 | i didnt know Gosling made emacs | Apr 11 19:09 |
| MinceR | neither did i | Apr 11 19:10 |
| MinceR | i had the impression that RMS did | Apr 11 19:10 |
| ender2070 | i read it on goslings site | Apr 11 19:14 |
| ender2070 | perhaps RMS made the open source one? | Apr 11 19:14 |
| DavidGerard | this is part of an early rms vs gosling battle | Apr 11 19:16 |
| DavidGerard | gosling wrote code for emacs, said people could use it, then tried to take it back | Apr 11 19:16 |
| ender2070 | oh lol | Apr 11 19:17 |
| DavidGerard | googling "rms gosling" gives various tellings of the story | Apr 11 19:17 |
| ender2070 | there was a Gosling Emacs | Apr 11 19:17 |
| DavidGerard | rms's version: http://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.html | Apr 11 19:17 |
| DavidGerard | yes | Apr 11 19:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: My Lisp Experiences and the Development of GNU Emacs - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF) .::. Size~: 33.61 KB | Apr 11 19:17 |
| DavidGerard | colloquially referred to as "gosmacs" | Apr 11 19:17 |
| DavidGerard | c.f. "fsfmacs" | Apr 11 19:18 |
| DavidGerard | "Now, this was not the first Emacs that was written in C and ran on Unix. The first was written by James Gosling, and was referred to as GosMacs." (rms) | Apr 11 19:19 |
| ender2070 | stallman once said for emacs | Apr 11 19:21 |
| ender2070 | "EMACS was distributed on a basis of communal sharing, which means all improvements must be given back to me to be incorporated and distributed" | Apr 11 19:21 |
| DavidGerard | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gosling_Emacs | Apr 11 19:21 |
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| DavidGerard | "Since Gosling had permitted its unrestricted redistribution, Richard Stallman used some Gosling Emacs code in the initial version of GNU Emacs. UniPress began selling Gosling Emacs (which it renamed Unipress Emacs) as a proprietary product, and, controversially, asked Stallman to stop distributing Gosling Emacs source code. UniPress never took legal action against Stallman or his nascent Free Software Foundation, believing "hobbyists and a | Apr 11 19:22 |
| DavidGerard | cademics could never produce an Emacs that could compete"[citation needed] with their product. All Gosling Emacs code was removed from GNU Emacs by version 16.56, with the possible exception of a few particularly hairy sections of the display code. Recent versions of GNU Emacs (at least as of August 2004) no longer even contain the "skull and crossbones" warning." | Apr 11 19:22 |
| DavidGerard | ah, stallman's rant about gosling: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/stallman-kth.html | Apr 11 19:25 |
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| DavidGerard | "In the summer of that year, about two years ago now, a friend of mine told me that because of his work in early development of Gosling Emacs, he had permission from Gosling in a message he had been sent to distribute his version of that. Gosling originally had set up his Emacs and distributed it free and gotten many people to help develop it, under the expectation based on Gosling's own words in his own manual that he was going to follow t | Apr 11 19:25 |
| DavidGerard | he same spirit that I started with the original Emacs. Then he stabbed everyone in the back by putting copyrights on it, making people promise not to redistribute it and then selling it to a software-house. My later dealings with him personally showed that he was every bit as cowardly and despicable as you would expect from that history." | Apr 11 19:25 |
| Eruaran | I've been reading PJ's material on TurboHercule's at Groklaw | Apr 11 19:26 |
| MinceR | wasn't the original emacs (the script for TECO) RMS's work too? | Apr 11 19:27 |
| DavidGerard | yes | Apr 11 19:27 |
| Eruaran | Her research is so good that if I were a lawyer for IBM, I wouldn't have to work very hard at all with someone like PJ doing all the work for me. | Apr 11 19:28 |
| DavidGerard | note that the original hercules project is VERY upset about all this, and considers the threats to TurboHercules to threaten them too | Apr 11 19:30 |
| DavidGerard | because open source isn't open source unless people can actually reuse it (which was the whole problem with a patent licence for novell and no-one else) | Apr 11 19:30 |
| ender2070 | turbohercules seems to be pystar 2.0 | Apr 11 19:31 |
| DavidGerard | eric s. raymond has dived in (jay maynard, the lead on hercules, is a friend of his), so I'm sure it'll all work out just wonderfully | Apr 11 19:31 |
| DavidGerard | see, that's the thing. | Apr 11 19:31 |
| DavidGerard | open source means microsoft shills can use it too | Apr 11 19:31 |
| DavidGerard | and ibm isn't free to wave around patents and say "nice project, shame if something happened to it, not that i'm threatening you or nuthin'" | Apr 11 19:32 |
| ender2070 | if i made an open source nintendo emulator, i wouldn't expect Nintendo to license the software to me for its use | Apr 11 19:32 |
| MinceR | it seems to me that TH is part Psystar, part attack from m$ | Apr 11 19:32 |
| Eruaran | IBM didn't threaten TurboHercules. | Apr 11 19:32 |
| MinceR | a complicated issue. | Apr 11 19:32 |
| DavidGerard | mmm. but antitrust is a case that can be reasonably made. | Apr 11 19:32 |
| Eruaran | TurboHercule's filed the complaint against IBM. | Apr 11 19:32 |
| DavidGerard | mentioning covered patents at all constitutes a threat. | Apr 11 19:32 |
| DavidGerard | the hercules project is certainly regarding it as such. | Apr 11 19:32 |
| MinceR | Eruaran: afaik TH's complaint was one that was similar to the Psystar case. | Apr 11 19:32 |
| ender2070 | DavidGerard - turbohercules ASKED for the patents | Apr 11 19:32 |
| Eruaran | TurboHercules asked for that information! | Apr 11 19:33 |
| Eruaran | And when IBM gave it to them they then used it to accuse IBM of making threats. | Apr 11 19:33 |
| MinceR | then again TH specifies winblows server as the required platform | Apr 11 19:33 |
| DavidGerard | i'm sure jay maynard and esr are very comforted. not. | Apr 11 19:33 |
| DavidGerard | http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1898 | Apr 11 19:33 |
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| DavidGerard | http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1892 | Apr 11 19:33 |
| MinceR | maynard also repeated typical m$ anti-GPL FUD. | Apr 11 19:33 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Armed and Dangerous » Blog Archive » IBM: Digging itself in deeper .::. Size~: 20.58 KB | Apr 11 19:33 |
| ender2070 | ESR lol | Apr 11 19:33 |
| DavidGerard | http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1889 | Apr 11 19:33 |
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| DavidGerard | yeah. | Apr 11 19:33 |
| MinceR | it would be better if it wasn't TH making this complaint | Apr 11 19:33 |
| Eruaran | And TurboHercules is not offered under a license that is compatible with the GPL. | Apr 11 19:33 |
| ender2070 | ESR stopped being a decent person a while ago | Apr 11 19:33 |
| DavidGerard | this is not me endorsing any of what esr says there | Apr 11 19:34 |
| MinceR | he did? | Apr 11 19:34 |
| MinceR | ESR disappeared from my radar. | Apr 11 19:34 |
| DavidGerard | but that the project is highly upset. | Apr 11 19:34 |
| Eruaran | And yes, their products are all HP servers running Windows. | Apr 11 19:34 |
| DavidGerard | the essential problem is that software patents exist at all. | Apr 11 19:34 |
| ender2070 | ibm isn't doing anything wrong imo | Apr 11 19:34 |
| ender2070 | they arent the cause of software patents | Apr 11 19:35 |
| DavidGerard | they're an enthusiastic user and endorser of them. | Apr 11 19:35 |
| ender2070 | they even told the EU when they were making software patents, that it shouldn't be as liberal as its in the USA, cause of the abuse | Apr 11 19:35 |
| MinceR | afaik they're only selling z/OS with their own hardware | Apr 11 19:35 |
| MinceR | that would indeed be wrong. | Apr 11 19:35 |
| ender2070 | mincer - nintendo only sells games for their own hardware | Apr 11 19:35 |
| MinceR | ender2070: crApple only sells macos with their own hardware | Apr 11 19:36 |
| DavidGerard | ender2070: yes, but ibm still has a near monopoly on that end of the market. | Apr 11 19:36 |
| ender2070 | should they be forced to license mario to sony or get anti trust? | Apr 11 19:36 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 11 19:36 |
| MinceR | dunno | Apr 11 19:36 |
| DavidGerard | ender2070: asking that question shows you don't understand antitrust. | Apr 11 19:36 |
| MinceR | the game console industry is heavily abusive anyway, isn't it? | Apr 11 19:36 |
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| Eruaran | It is basically Pystar 2.0 | Apr 11 19:36 |
| ender2070 | i see it as pystar 2.0 | Apr 11 19:37 |
| DavidGerard | ah, the antitrust action is not just being brought by turbohercules. | Apr 11 19:37 |
| ender2070 | they want to force ibm to allow pc's to run it so they can migrate to Microsoft servers | Apr 11 19:37 |
| DavidGerard | jay maynard, the project lead for hercules, is participating. | Apr 11 19:37 |
| DavidGerard | that is, the upstream project. | Apr 11 19:37 |
| MinceR | i saw it as Psystar 2.0 until some issues with TH were disclosed. | Apr 11 19:37 |
| DavidGerard | jay is many things, but anyone calling him a microsoft shill is an idiot. | Apr 11 19:37 |
| MinceR | he is anti-GPL though | Apr 11 19:38 |
| ender2070 | hes helping microsoft | Apr 11 19:38 |
| MinceR | and using anti-GPL FUD straight from m$ shills | Apr 11 19:38 |
| ender2070 | even if its unwilling | Apr 11 19:38 |
| DavidGerard | ender2070: uh, he's defending his project. | Apr 11 19:38 |
| DavidGerard | if microsoft are behind th, that doesn't mean there's anything at all wrong with jay defending hercules. | Apr 11 19:38 |
| ender2070 | heres the thing | Apr 11 19:39 |
| ender2070 | should apple be forced to relicense its iphone software for any hardware? | Apr 11 19:39 |
| ender2070 | like ibm | Apr 11 19:39 |
| MinceR | dunno | Apr 11 19:40 |
| Eruaran | I agree that software patents are evil. Nevertheless, the accusation that IBM has broken its patent pledge is in fact false. | Apr 11 19:40 |
| DavidGerard | they haven't broken it yet. | Apr 11 19:40 |
| MinceR | the macos case is simpler because the hw it's sold with is already a kind of PC | Apr 11 19:40 |
| DavidGerard | they *have* said, to the effect, "nice project here, shame if it got a patent lawsuit" | Apr 11 19:41 |
| MinceR | not sure about what kind of machine the IBM mainframes in question are | Apr 11 19:41 |
| Eruaran | nope | Apr 11 19:41 |
| ender2070 | IBM's mainframes are not x86 | Apr 11 19:41 |
| ender2070 | making an emulator is a risky business | Apr 11 19:41 |
| Eruaran | What TurboHercules wants is not covered under the pledge and their initial letter to IBM shows that they knew this. | Apr 11 19:42 |
| MinceR | there should probably be a line somewhere, but i have no idea where. | Apr 11 19:42 |
| ender2070 | all the console emu's are in legal grey area, and they wouldnt be filing anti trust, or any time of lawsuit for not being licensed the software that runs on the console emulators | Apr 11 19:42 |
| DavidGerard | th asked: "If you believe | Apr 11 19:42 |
| DavidGerard | that the Hercules open source project infringes any IBM intellectual property, please identify it so | Apr 11 19:42 |
| DavidGerard | that we can investigate that claim." | Apr 11 19:42 |
| ender2070 | they asked, and they received | Apr 11 19:43 |
| DavidGerard | i.e. they asked for patents that IBM believes are being *infringed*. | Apr 11 19:43 |
| DavidGerard | IBM listed two patents covered by the open source letter as *infringements*. | Apr 11 19:43 |
| ender2070 | and | Apr 11 19:43 |
| Eruaran | Furthermore, the correspondance between TurboHercules and IBM has not involved IBM legal. | Apr 11 19:43 |
| ender2070 | IBM hasn't sued. perhaps IBM assumed turbohercules would remove such infringements upon receiving the notice | Apr 11 19:44 |
| DavidGerard | uh, you're missing the point. | Apr 11 19:44 |
| ender2070 | no, you are | Apr 11 19:44 |
| DavidGerard | ibm listed covered patents as being infringements. | Apr 11 19:44 |
| ender2070 | ibm hasn't done anything yet | Apr 11 19:44 |
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| ender2070 | their pledge doesn't prevent them from listing patents as infringments | Apr 11 19:45 |
| Eruaran | DavidGerard: IBM's patent pledge covers FOSS that is not sold under commercial license - it must be free software. What TurboHercules proposed is a commercial arrangement that is not covered. | Apr 11 19:45 |
| DavidGerard | hence the upsed. | Apr 11 19:45 |
| ender2070 | it says they wont sue over them | Apr 11 19:45 |
| DavidGerard | uh, free software that can't be sold commercially isn't free software. | Apr 11 19:45 |
| DavidGerard | microsoft tried that angle and it was rejected. | Apr 11 19:45 |
| DavidGerard | violates the "for any purpose" freedom. | Apr 11 19:45 |
| ender2070 | david | Apr 11 19:45 |
| ender2070 | they do sell turbohercules commercially | Apr 11 19:45 |
| ender2070 | so its fauxpen source then? | Apr 11 19:46 |
| DavidGerard | yes indeed. they provide support for the hercules free software | Apr 11 19:46 |
| DavidGerard | you are confusing "free software" with "noncommercial software" | Apr 11 19:46 |
| DavidGerard | they are orthogonal | Apr 11 19:46 |
| ender2070 | they provide binaries | Apr 11 19:46 |
| ender2070 | look it up | Apr 11 19:46 |
| Eruaran | And IBM hasn't threatened to do anything other than defensive action if TurboHercules wants to take it further. | Apr 11 19:46 |
| DavidGerard | listing supposedly covered patents as infringements is an obvious threat, it's disingenuous to claim otherwise | Apr 11 19:47 |
| ender2070 | its spin to claim it is | Apr 11 19:47 |
| Eruaran | And again, TurboHercules is not an "open source company" - they do Windows servers. | Apr 11 19:47 |
| ender2070 | hercules and turbohercules are two seperate entities | Apr 11 19:47 |
| ender2070 | one is an open source project | Apr 11 19:47 |
| ender2070 | one sells commercial services | Apr 11 19:48 |
| DavidGerard | the th antitrust action, hercules (the project and the project lead) are part of it | Apr 11 19:48 |
| DavidGerard | you're artificially separating them | Apr 11 19:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I feel the need to find a BBC Model B emulator for the Nintendo DS! | Apr 11 19:48 | |
| DavidGerard | a threat to the downstream for patents used in the software by the upstream is a threat against the upstream | Apr 11 19:48 |
| Eruaran | "Open Source Software is any computer software program whose source code is published and available for inspection and use by anyone, and is made available under a license agreement that permits recipients to copy, modify and distribute the program's source code without payment of fees or royalties." - IBM | Apr 11 19:49 |
| ender2070 | hercules has been around for over 10 years and IBM hasn't done anything to them | Apr 11 19:49 |
| ender2070 | they even used to talk about them | Apr 11 19:49 |
| DavidGerard | see, the thing about free software is, the freedom for the bad guys to use it *is* the freedom for the good guys to use it | Apr 11 19:49 |
| ender2070 | it wasn't until turbohercules wanted to license the software, when the issues popped up | Apr 11 19:50 |
| DavidGerard | and hercules (not turbohercules) feels this is IBM doing something. | Apr 11 19:50 |
| Eruaran | Here is what TurboHercules wanted (pay attention to mention of licensing): | Apr 11 19:50 |
| Eruaran | "we would like you to consider making available to your mainframe customers a license for IBM operating systems on the TurboHercules platform. TurboHercules S.A.S., as the commercial entity, would provide support for a complete turnkey system based on these licenses. The pricing, conditions and limitations of that license would be at the sole discretion of IBM" | Apr 11 19:50 |
| DavidGerard | that statement fails to drip with evil | Apr 11 19:50 |
| ender2070 | the TurboHercules platform: | Apr 11 19:51 |
| ender2070 | Windows or SuSE/Novell | Apr 11 19:51 |
| DavidGerard | mmm | Apr 11 19:51 |
| Eruaran | IBM has refused to provide TurboHercules with the commercial licenses they want. And now TurboHercules is playing all weasel words with their public statements. | Apr 11 19:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] upgrading ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04. currently 2 hrs of downloading to go. | Apr 11 19:51 | |
| DavidGerard | it's not weasel words that ibm waved around supposedly covered patents. | Apr 11 19:52 |
| DavidGerard | th: "what infringes?" ibm: "these two we said five years ago were covered" | Apr 11 19:52 |
| ender2070 | they didnt wave around anything | Apr 11 19:52 |
| Eruaran | IBM didn't wave around anything | Apr 11 19:52 |
| DavidGerard | ibm has, to its credit, now gone "whoops" | Apr 11 19:52 |
| DavidGerard | and is backing down | Apr 11 19:52 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, ping. | Apr 11 19:52 |
| DavidGerard | however, that they brought out those two on a list of *infringements* is not to ibm's credit. | Apr 11 19:52 |
| ender2070 | every company makes mistakes too | Apr 11 19:53 |
| Eruaran | They haven't backed down on their statements | Apr 11 19:53 |
| DavidGerard | i posted the link | Apr 11 19:53 |
| DavidGerard | http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/158-jim-zemlin/299092-ibms-open | Apr 11 19:53 |
| ender2070 | DavidGerard- i dont think you can prove IBM's intentions right now | Apr 11 19:53 |
| DavidGerard | no, i'm not trying to read their minds | Apr 11 19:54 |
| ender2070 | DavidGerard- for all we know ibm could have assumed that TurboHercules would fix the issues instead | Apr 11 19:54 |
| ender2070 | you are | Apr 11 19:54 |
| ender2070 | you're saying that them listing it, is them threatening | Apr 11 19:54 |
| DavidGerard | i'm stating that they did in fact list two supposedly covered patents on a list of infringements | Apr 11 19:54 |
| DavidGerard | yes. | Apr 11 19:54 |
| ender2070 | yet you dont read their minds | Apr 11 19:54 |
| Eruaran | The letter to Zemlin is not a backdown | Apr 11 19:54 |
| DavidGerard | them listing it as a supposed infringement is an inherently threatening action. | Apr 11 19:54 |
| ender2070 | thats irrelavant | Apr 11 19:54 |
| ender2070 | no | Apr 11 19:54 |
| DavidGerard | it's ridiculous to claim it isn't. | Apr 11 19:55 |
| ender2070 | they were ASKED | Apr 11 19:55 |
| Eruaran | They are simply reaffirming their commitment to their original patent pledge | Apr 11 19:55 |
| ender2070 | how hard is that? | Apr 11 19:55 |
| DavidGerard | yes, they were asked for a list of *infringements*. | Apr 11 19:55 |
| Eruaran | Yes, and they want a commercial license | Apr 11 19:55 |
| DavidGerard | if they don't consider supposedly covered patents infringements, they shouldn't have listed them. | Apr 11 19:55 |
| ender2070 | intellectual property infringements, which to a company includes patents | Apr 11 19:55 |
| DavidGerard | but they did list them. | Apr 11 19:55 |
| Eruaran | Which is not covered under IBM's patent pledge | Apr 11 19:55 |
| Eruaran | Its not that hard | Apr 11 19:55 |
| DavidGerard | a patent pledge that doesn't cover commercial use is what microsoft and novell offered. | Apr 11 19:56 |
| DavidGerard | this led to a site called "boycott novell." | Apr 11 19:56 |
| DavidGerard | why is such a licence not good enough, d'you think? | Apr 11 19:56 |
| Eruaran | sigh | Apr 11 19:56 |
| ender2070 | microsoft isn't a company i'd trust | Apr 11 19:56 |
| ender2070 | as their history has shown | Apr 11 19:56 |
| DavidGerard | no shit | Apr 11 19:56 |
| ender2070 | ibm doesn't have a history of suing open source | Apr 11 19:57 |
| DavidGerard | but y'know, before microsoft pulled that shit, ibm pulled it. | Apr 11 19:57 |
| DavidGerard | it took a near-death experience to make ibm as nice as it is now. | Apr 11 19:57 |
| ender2070 | near death experience? | Apr 11 19:57 |
| ender2070 | the us government ran out of money to continue suing them | Apr 11 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | "I'll tell you how to get these morons behind health care reform. Tell them that Saddam Hussein is back from the dead, running the insurance cartel, and stockpiling weapons of mass destruction." -me | Apr 11 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 11 19:57 |
| DavidGerard | go read up on the history of ibm, you can't talk about this stuff if you don't know that much. | Apr 11 19:57 |
| DavidGerard | you really need to do your homework | Apr 11 19:57 |
| ender2070 | i have and I know how ibm used to operate | Apr 11 19:58 |
| DavidGerard | obama could take out the entire tea party in one swoop | Apr 11 19:58 |
| Eruaran | Speaking of homework | Apr 11 19:58 |
| Eruaran | Please read: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100408153953613 | Apr 11 19:58 |
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| ender2070 | apple is the new big brother they were fighting back in the 80's | Apr 11 19:58 |
| DavidGerard | ender2070: in that case you would know that ibm was haemorrhaging money until it fired half its staff and restructured as a services oriented company | Apr 11 19:58 |
| DavidGerard | if i say "their near death experience" and you say "what near death experience?" then it's reasonable to assume you don't know much ibm history | Apr 11 19:59 |
| DavidGerard | i did. | Apr 11 19:59 |
| ender2070 | i dont follow finances | Apr 11 19:59 |
| ender2070 | im not a business type | Apr 11 19:59 |
| DavidGerard | >_< | Apr 11 20:00 |
| DavidGerard | what's ibm stand for | Apr 11 20:00 |
| DavidGerard | and what's their purpose in existence | Apr 11 20:00 |
| ender2070 | what is every companies purpose of existence | Apr 11 20:00 |
| Eruaran | When IBM announced it's patent pledge, it specifically reserved the right to defend itself from attack. | Apr 11 20:01 |
| Eruaran | The complaint against IBM was filed with the EU Commission by TurboHercules. At that exact moment, did they not take themselves out from under the patent pledge's safety umbrella? | Apr 11 20:01 |
| DavidGerard | in which case the patent pledge is effectively worthless | Apr 11 20:02 |
| DavidGerard | and ibm are not to be trusted in relation to open source | Apr 11 20:02 |
| Eruaran | So IBM shouldn't defend itself? | Apr 11 20:02 |
| Eruaran | Even if they know its a proxy attack? | Apr 11 20:02 |
| MinceR | perhaps IBM shouldn't sue for infringing on sw patents in cases that aren't about patents in the first place | Apr 11 20:03 |
| DavidGerard | should they attack free software? | Apr 11 20:03 |
| Eruaran | They're not attacking free software... | Apr 11 20:03 |
| DavidGerard | no they're just waving threats around. | Apr 11 20:03 |
| Eruaran | They're not attacking. Period. | Apr 11 20:03 |
| DavidGerard | you've jsut established the pledge doesn't actually protect free software at all | Apr 11 20:03 |
| Eruaran | They didn't wave threats around. | Apr 11 20:03 |
| ender2070 | nice spin | Apr 11 20:04 |
| ender2070 | wait for them to sue before you start accusing ibm of attacking free software | Apr 11 20:04 |
| DavidGerard | they were asked for a list of infringements and named two supposedly covered patents as infringements. | Apr 11 20:04 |
| DavidGerard | that's the "wtf" moment. | Apr 11 20:04 |
| ender2070 | DavidGerard - get your head out of your ass | Apr 11 20:04 |
| DavidGerard | funnily enough, the hercules project (the upstream) isn't waiting to actually get sued by ibm | Apr 11 20:05 |
| DavidGerard | are they wrong to make a fuss now? | Apr 11 20:05 |
| DavidGerard | hercules, note, not turbohercules | Apr 11 20:05 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Apr 11 20:05 |
| ender2070 | they filed anti trust against ibm | Apr 11 20:05 |
| DavidGerard | should they feel things are just fine? | Apr 11 20:05 |
| schestowitz | [19:28] <Eruaran> Her research is so good that if I were a lawyer for IBM, I wouldn't have to work very hard at all with someone like PJ doing all the work for me. | Apr 11 20:05 |
| Eruaran | So, if IBM defends itself against TurboHercules complaint which was filed with the EU Commission, its IBM who is attacking free software and not TurboHercules who release their software under the Q license and sell software and services running on Windows servers. | Apr 11 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw works as a group | Apr 11 20:05 |
| schestowitz | 1000+ comments | Apr 11 20:05 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: ah yes | Apr 11 20:06 |
| DavidGerard | indeed. pj claiming jay maynard (the hercules lead) is a microsoft shill | Apr 11 20:06 |
| DavidGerard | that's a sharkjumping moment | Apr 11 20:06 |
| ender2070 | he probably is | Apr 11 20:06 |
| DavidGerard | ender2070: oh, good lord. you really are too stupid to talk to. | Apr 11 20:06 |
| Eruaran | Hercules upstream is not in danger of being sued by IBM. | Apr 11 20:06 |
| ender2070 | just like you're starting to sound like, for FUD | Apr 11 20:07 |
| DavidGerard | ender2070: obviously, i'm as much of a microsoft shill as schestowitz is | Apr 11 20:07 |
| ender2070 | sounds like you read Florian Mueller too | Apr 11 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: hey | Apr 11 20:10 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, hi | Apr 11 20:11 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, what's up? | Apr 11 20:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Anyone know if chrome/chromium can show more than 8 pages on the start screen. My big screen has lots of wasted white space. | Apr 11 20:11 | |
| schestowitz | Omar87: I read some news about Microsoft in Palestine | Apr 11 20:13 |
| schestowitz | I tried to show you yesterday | Apr 11 20:13 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz, I see. | Apr 11 20:13 |
| Omar87 | It seems I was sleeping at that time. | Apr 11 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | Heh, Ben Stein wrote an article on why it's time to ditch Michael Steele | Apr 11 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | and tries to dance around the racism issue | Apr 11 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | after stating that Steele's only qualification was being black | Apr 11 20:14 |
| ender2070 | lol Ben Stein is badass | Apr 11 20:14 |
| ender2070 | other than that though | Apr 11 20:15 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: time to arrest Ben Stein | Apr 11 20:15 |
| ender2070 | hate crimes, lawl | Apr 11 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Tell Dawkins to go after the Stein crook rather than the pope | Apr 11 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Stein is a poop | Apr 11 20:15 |
| ender2070 | whats wrong with Stein | Apr 11 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Stein uses Holocaust references to harass even scientists. He hasn't shame or humility. Scientists rightly hate his deliberate dishonesty and hypocrisy... he shames the US | Apr 11 20:17 |
| ender2070 | lol | Apr 11 20:18 |
| ender2070 | your greening movement uses holocaust references to harass even scientists | Apr 11 20:18 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: I could show you some videos on what made him more of a k00k than Kirk and Ray | Apr 11 20:18 |
| schestowitz | "Mr Banana man" | Apr 11 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Stein is the spokesman for a predatory lender company now | Apr 11 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 11 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Crocoduck!! | Apr 11 20:18 |
| ender2070 | climate change deniers | Apr 11 20:18 |
| ender2070 | you guys are just as bad | Apr 11 20:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe he found something more profitable then | Apr 11 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: He's also in Comcast commercials | Apr 11 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Ewww... | Apr 11 20:19 |
| ender2070 | imo, the word denier should apply to godwin's law | Apr 11 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | I felt so slimed when I saw that | Apr 11 20:19 |
| schestowitz | What's next? Blowing kids for a fiver? | Apr 11 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | can't be far off | Apr 11 20:19 |
| *schestowitz removes TurboHercules shill from contact list | Apr 11 20:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] It is about what the New Zealand ICT industry wants and where it wants to go. It would be a shame if it became about M$ http://ur1.ca/ukwy | Apr 11 20:20 | |
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| ender2070 | who is the turbohercules shill? | Apr 11 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Do you want the name? | Apr 11 20:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Did you know #TurboHercules has PR shills trying to befriend opposition? It's some lady who targets their critics. | Apr 11 20:21 | |
| ender2070 | yeah | Apr 11 20:22 |
| ender2070 | so i can watch out for them | Apr 11 20:22 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: the name of that guy from TH sounds familiar | Apr 11 20:23 |
| schestowitz | I saw him before | Apr 11 20:23 |
| schestowitz | ANd he's likely a shill | Apr 11 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe PJ has the bits she hasn't shown you yet | Apr 11 20:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?q=site:schestowitz.com+maynard&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-GB | Apr 11 20:24 |
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| DavidGerard | what guy? jay maynard? | Apr 11 20:25 |
| DavidGerard | he's the guy who started the upstream hercules project | Apr 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&c2coff=1&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&q=site%3Aboycottnovell.com+maynard&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= | Apr 11 20:25 |
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| DavidGerard | he's also famous as tronguy ;-) | Apr 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I confused him with other people w/ same surname | Apr 11 20:25 |
| DavidGerard | turbohercules is downstream from him | Apr 11 20:26 |
| DavidGerard | i.e. they're people reusing his code under licence | Apr 11 20:26 |
| DavidGerard | he's upset because the ibm list of infringing patents is talking about his code, not anything added by th | Apr 11 20:26 |
| DavidGerard | so damn right he feels directly threatened | Apr 11 20:26 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/irc-log-02032010.html#tMar%2002%2001:14:14 | Apr 11 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | "Atlas" | Apr 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Hercules... | Apr 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | I never knew who Atlas was..... | Apr 11 20:27 |
| DavidGerard | it's the same reason ms going after companies using linux is considered a threat against linux, even if linus never gets a threat latter | Apr 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | In that chat | Apr 11 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | 40th anniversary of the Apollo 13 launch | Apr 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | He came just this one time | Apr 11 20:27 |
| DavidGerard | i understand there's a popular online encyclopedia that covers greek mythology quite extensively ;-p | Apr 11 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Wikipus? | Apr 11 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like a Greek hero | Apr 11 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | dammit | Apr 11 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | Amazon lowered the price on that bike $1.46 right after I ordered it! | Apr 11 20:29 |
| DavidGerard | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Maynard | Apr 11 20:29 |
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| DaemonFC | I could have got a 44 ounce fountain pop for that :P | Apr 11 20:29 |
| DavidGerard | he's in there because he's actually famous as trongy | Apr 11 20:29 |
| DavidGerard | but what he really does for a living is ibm mainframe consulting | Apr 11 20:29 |
| DavidGerard | i know him from years ago, on a private nntp network we were both on | Apr 11 20:30 |
| DavidGerard | the uk residents enjoyed long running arguments with him over his libertoonian politics | Apr 11 20:30 |
| DavidGerard | which make esr look reasonable | Apr 11 20:31 |
| DavidGerard | but apart from that, he's a good guy | Apr 11 20:31 |
| DavidGerard | the idea that he's *anyone*'s shill is, frankly, ludicrous | Apr 11 20:31 |
| DavidGerard | any more than esr, who is firmly on hercules' side in this argument, is | Apr 11 20:31 |
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| DavidGerard | i mean, esr is also many sorts of gibbering lunatic, but he's certainly not any sort of shill for anyone | Apr 11 20:32 |
| ender2070 | i have respect for libertarians | Apr 11 20:32 |
| ender2070 | though i dont label myself with any political movement as they are all hijacked | Apr 11 20:32 |
| schestowitz | ____/ Homer on Sunday 11 Apr 2010 00:54 : \____ | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | > erily I say unto thee, that Rex Ballard spake thusly: | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | >> On Apr 10, 3:29 am, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro...@schestowitz.com> | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | >> wrote: | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | >> | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | >>> [Older:] Mainframe emulator goes commercial | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | >> | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | >> Hercules was informally supported by IBM. The current Open Client | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | >> for Fedora Core 12 includes Hercules. | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | > Fedora dropped the "Core" nomenclature with version 7, three years ago. | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | > Hercules first appeared in the Fedora main repo with Fedora Core 6, and | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | > the changelog shows RPM builds dating back to Sun Jun 18 2000, courtesy | Apr 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | > of packager, maintainer and author Jay Maynard (a.k.a. the Tron Guy). | Apr 11 20:33 |
| DavidGerard | yep | Apr 11 20:33 |
| DavidGerard | ibm informally supported hercules for ages, then in recent years stopped mentioning it anywhere | Apr 11 20:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm just watching up with some threads | Apr 11 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Ballard is from IBM | Apr 11 20:35 |
| schestowitz | He posted some very long (~300 lines) about it in USENET | Apr 11 20:35 |
| schestowitz | I was just going to tweet a little.... back in a mo' | Apr 11 20:36 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] On our way home after a wonderful week in Mexico. Currently at Mexico Airport for a five hour layover. Yuck. | Apr 11 20:42 | |
| ender2070 | their pledge defines open source as source code published and available for inspection and use by anyone, and is made available under a license agreement that permits recipients to copy, modify and distribute the program's source code "without payment of fees or royalties" | Apr 11 20:44 |
| ender2070 | and turbohercules was asking ibm to setup licensing and royalties/payments | Apr 11 20:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Oh, and this should be no surprise, but my INBOX is a disaster zone. If you emailed me this week, hang fire until I get to it. | Apr 11 20:45 | |
| DavidGerard | aaand four hours' download finishes, and installing 1,536 packages starts. | Apr 11 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | DavidGerard: which distribution? | Apr 11 20:51 |
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| DavidGerard | ubuntu 9.10 -> 10.04 | Apr 11 20:53 |
| DavidGerard | i got impatient | Apr 11 20:53 |
| schestowitz | beta2 | Apr 11 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | is that just a dist0-upgrade? | Apr 11 20:54 |
| schestowitz | *st- | Apr 11 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Or would that not work till -final? | Apr 11 20:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] A week of no metal. By 'eck, it feels good to listen to the dulcet considered tones of the new Carnifex album 'Hell Chose Me'. | Apr 11 20:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Where #GNU #Linux Beats #Windows (on the Desktop) http://ur1.ca/ul24 http://ur1.ca/ul25 | Apr 11 20:55 | |
| Aondo | it works if you do update-manager --devel-release | Apr 11 20:56 |
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| ender2070 | ubuntu needs deltas | Apr 11 20:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] High-end #GNU #Linux Desktop Setups (Photos) http://www.junauza.com/2010/04/15-cool-and-unique-linux-desktop.html | Apr 11 20:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Extensive Explanation of Why #Security in #GNU #Linux is So Much Better http://ur1.ca/ul2l | Apr 11 20:58 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2010/04/09/the-blackberry-learns-new-tricks.aspx "The deal gives RIM access to a Linux-based..." | Apr 11 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | Is it really Linux based???? | Apr 11 21:00 |
| schestowitz | I need to verify | Apr 11 21:00 |
| DavidGerard | it's a dist upgrade | Apr 11 21:00 |
| schestowitz | QNX connected to LInux?? | Apr 11 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I need to know fast...:-s | Apr 11 21:01 |
| DavidGerard | no, fool just got it completely wrong | Apr 11 21:01 |
| DavidGerard | QNX is in no way related to linux | Apr 11 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Apr 11 21:01 |
| DavidGerard | it offers a pretty good posix layer | Apr 11 21:01 |
| DavidGerard | but it's not linux and it's not even slightly free software | Apr 11 21:01 |
| *WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulf | Apr 11 21:02 | |
| DavidGerard | PRO TIP: fool.com is not a very good source of accurate tech news | Apr 11 21:02 |
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| DavidGerard | i used update-manager -d | Apr 11 21:02 |
| schestowitz | QNX opens up the source code for its filesystems | Apr 11 21:02 |
| schestowitz | ,----[ Quote ] | Apr 11 21:02 |
| schestowitz | | Among the file systems are a power-safe file system, an embedded transaction | Apr 11 21:02 |
| DavidGerard | which i think is the same as --devel-release | Apr 11 21:02 |
| schestowitz | | file system, a file system for flash which include wear-levelling support, an | Apr 11 21:02 |
| schestowitz | | EXT2 file system for accessing Linux partitions, an NFS client implementation | Apr 11 21:02 |
| schestowitz | | and the QNX4 file system itself. | Apr 11 21:02 |
| schestowitz | | | Apr 11 21:02 |
| schestowitz | | The code is available under a limited non-commercial use only license, namely | Apr 11 21:02 |
| schestowitz | | the QNX Non-Commercial End User License agreement, though commercial and | Apr 11 21:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I just donated some money voluntarily to a developer because I like his software. Money directly in his pocket. Felt good. | Apr 11 21:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #BlackBerry Gets Closer to #QNX With Buyout http://ur1.ca/ul3d http://ur1.ca/ul3e http://ur1.ca/ul3f | Apr 11 21:02 | |
| schestowitz | | partner licences are available. | Apr 11 21:02 |
| schestowitz | `---- | Apr 11 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/114010/from/rss09 | Apr 11 21:03 |
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| DavidGerard | so it's "open" under a non-open licence | Apr 11 21:03 |
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| DavidGerard | well done | Apr 11 21:03 |
| DavidGerard | my gf has a BlackBerry | Apr 11 21:03 |
| DavidGerard | it appears to be the most usable and addictive smart phone ever | Apr 11 21:03 |
| DavidGerard | i found the web browser way better than the iPhone/iPod one | Apr 11 21:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] What's wrong with the iPad? Let's start with the lack of a clock | ROFL, Danger, genius at work http://tinyurl.com/y6xyc5u | Apr 11 21:03 | |
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| MinceR | well, if QNX is like its demo disks then it's horrible | Apr 11 21:04 |
| DavidGerard | QNX is tiny, fast and robust. | Apr 11 21:04 |
| MinceR | back then they couldn't even get the mouse and network card drivers right | Apr 11 21:04 |
| DavidGerard | as an OS core it'll be fantastic. | Apr 11 21:04 |
| DavidGerard | most of BlackBerry is written in rather slow Java though | Apr 11 21:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kernel Foundation Summit to be Streamed Live http://ur1.ca/ul3u http://ur1.ca/ul3v #linux | Apr 11 21:04 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Catch the Collaboration Summit from the Comfort of Home | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 45.26 KB | Apr 11 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | DavidGerard: I didn't know you had a g/f | Apr 11 21:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] T-PAIN is the modern definition of "comedy gold" - http://is.gd/boFLZ | Apr 11 21:05 | |
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| schestowitz | DavidGerard: they want to get into cars w/ that RTOS | Apr 11 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Linux is displacing it | Apr 11 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they sold cheap | Apr 11 21:07 |
| DavidGerard | yes, having a gf is very damaging to my open source cred | Apr 11 21:09 |
| MinceR | not really | Apr 11 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | DavidGerard: Just don't emphasize that point I guess. | Apr 11 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | But don't emphatically not emphasize it | Apr 11 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | or she'll lock onto that and be pissed | Apr 11 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 11 21:12 |
| DavidGerard | she's a great big nerd with a box of Magic: The Gathering cards, so I suspect that helps mitigate the damage | Apr 11 21:13 |
| DavidGerard | and a sword, so i don't mention it too often | Apr 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | This reminds me of Asay: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4091 | Apr 11 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | The Mormon part | Apr 11 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | there's no double standard for men and women, there's just one standard for each | Apr 11 21:14 |
| schestowitz | They are nice people, but they don't always do things you agree with | Apr 11 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | women can do whatever they want and not hear anything further about it ever again | Apr 11 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | men do one little thing and that's the first thing to come up in every subsequent argument | Apr 11 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 11 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Mormons leave if you ask them to | Apr 11 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | the Jevhovas Witnesses are the ones with their foot in the door | Apr 11 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | trying to barge in past you | Apr 11 21:15 |
| DavidGerard | simple! invite them in and convert them to scientology | Apr 11 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Apr 11 21:15 |
| DavidGerard | then, at the end of the hour, tell them you were lying. and now their minds are free. | Apr 11 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | you know, scientology never really claimed to be incompatible with "other religions"\ | Apr 11 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | the feeling is not reciprocal though | Apr 11 21:16 |
| DavidGerard | alternately, do what we do and have a sign at the door saying we don't talk politics or religion or do business at the door | Apr 11 21:16 |
| DavidGerard | last one we got, we just silently pointed at the sign. they left. | Apr 11 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | DavidGerard: I like to lure people into an argument though, that's the funny part | Apr 11 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | like "I heard your organization eats babies" | Apr 11 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | is a nice start | Apr 11 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | "sacrifices babies to Moloch" is another conversation starter | Apr 11 21:17 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: yes, clams claim their religion can be practiced beside another, then as you progress, this changes | Apr 11 21:18 |
| DavidGerard | indeed. scientology is compatible with all religions when luring you in, then this changes to "mixing practices" when you get deep enough in | Apr 11 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | that makes sense I guess | Apr 11 21:19 |
| DavidGerard | much like changing proprietary software vendors. your data goes in, it never comes out. | Apr 11 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | my dad was mixed in with them a while back | Apr 11 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | my mom had to file for divorce to get him out of there | Apr 11 21:19 |
| DavidGerard | *shudder* | Apr 11 21:19 |
| DavidGerard | well done on him getting out | Apr 11 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | wicked group of people | Apr 11 21:19 |
| DavidGerard | yep. | Apr 11 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | My dad is just kind of weird | Apr 11 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | been involved in just about every kind of "spiritual" thing there is | Apr 11 21:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Large Collection of Fairly Good #Games for #GNU #Linux http://www.dedoimedo.com/games/linux-games-part-8.html | Apr 11 21:20 | |
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| DaemonFC | there was some weird "spiritualist camp" down near Chesterton (Near Anderson, Indiana) he used to go to | Apr 11 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | dragged me there once, my mom was horrified | Apr 11 21:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] OIN: One step that has been missing as part of the development process is the codification of invention (patent filling) http://ur1.ca/ul6b | Apr 11 21:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just set the bread machine to make me a nice loaf to wake up to in the morning. Great way to start a monday with fresh bread! | Apr 11 21:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | bread machine.... | Apr 11 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | lulz | Apr 11 21:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE SC - Interview, #Akademy 2010 Registration Opens http://ur1.ca/ul6j http://ur1.ca/ul6k | Apr 11 21:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Gentoo , #Crunchbang , and #Archbang Explained http://ur1.ca/ul6s http://ur1.ca/ul6t | Apr 11 21:23 | |
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| *WireWulf is now known as WireWulf-away | Apr 11 21:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Tinyme #Linux http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/933-tinyme-linux-a-tiny-os-for-old-computers- | Apr 11 21:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 10.04 Preparatory Video and More http://ur1.ca/ul7g http://ur1.ca/ul7i http://ur1.ca/ul7j http://ur1.ca/ul7k | Apr 11 21:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Turning to More of a Profitable Business http://ur1.ca/ul7q | Apr 11 21:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dreambox Runs #Linux http://www.handlewithlinux.com/linux-multimedia-dream-machine-cool | Apr 11 21:30 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Linux multimedia dream machine, cool! | Handle With Linux .::. Size~: 36.16 KB | Apr 11 21:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10.10 Dates Listed http://duncsweb.com/2010/04/07/ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat-release-schedule/ | Apr 11 21:31 | |
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| ThistleWeb | thought of a logo for the apple stuff, a modified apple logo with a visible worm inside | Apr 11 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Not too repellent? | Apr 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | And what name? | Apr 11 21:42 |
| MinceR | it's obvious and i think it's good | Apr 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Maybe just a pattern] | Apr 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Like a petri dish or maggots | Apr 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Sliced to fit the Apple logo contoursa | Apr 11 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Even call it... "Apple: the DRM Petri Dish" | Apr 11 21:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Phones Running #Linux Get Huge Number of Applications http://ur1.ca/ulad http://ur1.ca/ulae | Apr 11 21:44 | |
| ThistleWeb | no idea about a name, maybe iWorm | Apr 11 21:44 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: MediaPost Publications Mobile Apps: Strike While Iron's Still Hot 04/09/2010 .::. Size~: 51.73 KB | Apr 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: what would the worm represent? | Apr 11 21:45 |
| ThistleWeb | just the image of an apple with a worm is kinda cool, something which looks fresh and healthy has a bitter taste when you buy it and start to eat it, you get something you didn't intend | Apr 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | It evokes viruses/worms | Apr 11 21:45 |
| schestowitz | That's a good idea | Apr 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | We just need a campaign name to go with it | Apr 11 21:46 |
| ThistleWeb | a hidden surprise beneath the appealing gloss | Apr 11 21:46 |
| DavidGerard | the apple needs to be beautifully polished | Apr 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Something embodying patents, DRM, and more | Apr 11 21:46 |
| ThistleWeb | yep | Apr 11 21:46 |
| ThistleWeb | a worm in the shap of the letters DRM | Apr 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Many people don't know what DRM is | Apr 11 21:47 |
| ThistleWeb | curled to read DRM | Apr 11 21:47 |
| MinceR | DRM is not the only problem with crApple | Apr 11 21:47 |
| schestowitz | I know | Apr 11 21:48 |
| ThistleWeb | I did wonder today if Apple have some random app which triggers acceptance or rejection of apps on a random basis when it works through a list | Apr 11 21:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Palm Opens Up to a Lot of #GNU #Linux Applications http://ur1.ca/ulap http://ur1.ca/ulaq http://ur1.ca/ular | Apr 11 21:48 | |
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| schestowitz | That's why I can envision the links going under it | Apr 11 21:48 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Your Palm Pre Can Now Run Basically Any Linux Application | Gizmodo Australia .::. Size~: 28.89 KB | Apr 11 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | It will have more than DRM | Apr 11 21:49 |
| ThistleWeb | kinda like "decision by digital tourettes" | Apr 11 21:49 |
| ThistleWeb | every now and again it'll just randomly reject stuff | Apr 11 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Maybe a worm with Jobs' balding head | Apr 11 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Sticking out of a shiny apple | Apr 11 21:49 |
| ThistleWeb | you could play on the old apple advert with them as the lil guy standing up for individuality against big brother, now their role has become big brother | Apr 11 21:50 |
| schestowitz | How about the Big Brother character with an Apple in his mouth? | Apr 11 21:50 |
| ThistleWeb | a gimp'd shot of that advert with jobs on the big screen | Apr 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Beneath the moustache | Apr 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | And a worm sticking from the side of the mouth? | Apr 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Just "restrictions" on his forehead | Apr 11 21:51 |
| ThistleWeb | or an the apple logo in a straitjacket | Apr 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | So Apple and worm coming out as he bites the devs | Apr 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to criticise price | Apr 11 21:51 |
| schestowitz | FOSS is not about bashing for selling stuff | Apr 11 21:52 |
| ThistleWeb | kate rice? | Apr 11 21:52 |
| ThistleWeb | katie price* | Apr 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Hannibal | Apr 11 21:52 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, I'm sure jordan has more to think about than foss | Apr 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | In a straitjacket | Apr 11 21:52 |
| ThistleWeb | ahh | Apr 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | WIth Apple as top part of his head | Apr 11 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Like egghead, but Apple | Apr 11 21:53 |
| ThistleWeb | or jobs with what looks like the apple logo branded or tatoo'd on his forehead | Apr 11 21:53 |
| ThistleWeb | "once you join, you join for life" | Apr 11 21:53 |
| ThistleWeb | "and we'll find new ways to empty your wallet" | Apr 11 21:53 |
| ThistleWeb | "not only that, but you'll recruit more to the cause" | Apr 11 21:54 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, jobs as the demon headmaster | Apr 11 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like Scientology | Apr 11 21:54 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux Expands to Robots, More Shops http://ur1.ca/ulbm http://ur1.ca/ulbn http://ur1.ca/ulbp | Apr 11 21:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks Running #GNU #Linux for Just $100 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Science-and-Technology-Co-Ltd-Wabook/ | Apr 11 21:55 | |
| ThistleWeb | iOlogu | Apr 11 21:55 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Android OS Now Used To Drive Real Robots | Robot Reviews .::. Size~: 44.91 KB | Apr 11 21:55 |
| ThistleWeb | iOlogy* | Apr 11 21:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks Running #GNU #Linux for Just $100 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Science-and-Technology-Co-Ltd-Wabook/ | Apr 11 21:56 | |
| TechrightsBot | iOlogu | Apr 11 21:56 |
| TechrightsBot | iOlogy* | Apr 11 21:56 |
| ender2070 | lol scientology | Apr 11 21:56 |
| ender2070 | i saw the building in Toronto | Apr 11 21:56 |
| ender2070 | kind of ghetto | Apr 11 21:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android Runs on x86, #Asus #Eee Nettop Comes With #GNU #Linux Preinstalled http://ur1.ca/ulc1 http://ur1.ca/ulc2 | Apr 11 21:56 | |
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| DavidGerard | right. installation done. | Apr 11 21:57 |
| DavidGerard | so did grub install properly? | Apr 11 21:57 |
| DavidGerard | WE'LL FIND OUT! | Apr 11 21:57 |
| MinceR | can the Pre made to not spy on its owner? | Apr 11 21:57 |
| *DavidGerard is just going out for a while | Apr 11 21:57 | |
| DavidGerard | i may be some time. | Apr 11 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: I think they 'fixed' it | Apr 11 21:58 |
| MinceR | how and when? | Apr 11 21:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Tablets Expected to Run #GNU #Linux http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/ICD-Gemini-HP-Slate-Nokia-tablet/ | Apr 11 21:59 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: ICD, HP tablets take shape as Nokia tablet rumors re-emerge - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 65.46 KB | Apr 11 21:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Someone tried to friend me on facebook. Surely this is a fake profile? http://bit.ly/chFlu9 http://bit.ly/cRTYxv | Apr 11 22:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] My bad, didn't try to friend, the "Suggestions" box on the right suggested this person. | Apr 11 22:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF 's Latest Advocacy of #FreeSoftware and List of Recommended Distros http://ur1.ca/ulcp http://ur1.ca/frwi | Apr 11 22:04 | |
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| NZheretic | Re: New Techrights Campaigns | Apr 11 22:07 |
| NZheretic | 1) Have two websites:... | Apr 11 22:07 |
| NZheretic | techrights.(org|net|com) - Positive outlook: focusing on end owner's/user tech consumer rights and competition. Present readers with "better" choices. Plenty of links that demonstrate what can be done with those freedoms that are under threat. | Apr 11 22:08 |
| NZheretic | techwrongs.(org|net|com) - Negative outlook: focusing on actions by ALL those companies limiting your freedoms to use, compete and consume. Include all the watch,boycott and democratic action campaigns. | Apr 11 22:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just walked into the lounge to find wifey not watching BBC dancing/singing rubbish,but playing with an O2 Joggler that I'd left lying around | Apr 11 22:09 | |
| NZheretic | IMHO having two websites, the former with a very positive outlook, would better represent the FLOSS movements as a whole. | Apr 11 22:10 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if BN/TR's subject could be clearly split into those sites | Apr 11 22:13 |
| NZheretic | MinceR : Each site could link to each other as needed, and each could include a list of recent article or the other site in the border. | Apr 11 22:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Listening to the new Overkill album while writing an article. | Apr 11 22:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Advice for Teaching Kids to Program With #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/uled | Apr 11 22:16 | |
| NZheretic | The Boycott Novell campaign has been criticized for being overly negative in its outlook. That has been its role, to shout out and warn, difficult to do without appearing negative all the time. | Apr 11 22:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Offers Support for #Ogg , #Apple Cans #Flash http://ur1.ca/ufh0 http://ur1.ca/ucq1 #flushFlash | Apr 11 22:18 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Interesting times for Video on the Web - Google Open Source Blog .::. Size~: 89.72 KB | Apr 11 22:18 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Flash Blog » Apple Slaps Developers In The Face .::. Size~: 26.13 KB | Apr 11 22:18 |
| MinceR | how many "positive" articles are there on the site now? | Apr 11 22:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Civil Rights Defended in Face of 'Targeted' Advertisements (Spying) http://ur1.ca/ulex http://ur1.ca/ulez | Apr 11 22:19 | |
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| TechrightsBot | Title: Google, Yahoo, Microsoft ad probes sought - Silicon Valley / San Jose Business Journal: .::. Size~: 76.21 KB | Apr 11 22:20 |
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| MinceR | and how much would the "positive" articles suggested really be about "rights"? | Apr 11 22:20 |
| NZheretic | MinceR : That's the problem. | Apr 11 22:20 |
| MinceR | i think that "techrights" would not really fit articles that aren't about rights (and threats to them) | Apr 11 22:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DRM Increasingly Abolished http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/342431/nokia_brings_music_download_service_china_without_drm/ | Apr 11 22:20 | |
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| NZheretic | MinceR : Focus a little more on what can be done, and is being done by others, with the freedoms under threat. | Apr 11 22:21 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NetNeutrality at High Risk Level http://ur1.ca/ulfa http://ur1.ca/ulfb | Apr 11 22:21 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Net neutrality rivals invest in D.C. influence - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 88.2 KB | Apr 11 22:21 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: On Net Neutrality | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 67.03 KB | Apr 11 22:22 |
| NZheretic | Include a few more links to, for example, what is being done by the blender community. | Apr 11 22:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Copyrights Under Scrutiny Again http://ur1.ca/ulfg http://ur1.ca/ulfi http://ur1.ca/ulfj | Apr 11 22:22 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Rough Type: Nicholas Carr's Blog: Digital decay and the archival cloud .::. Size~: 35.39 KB | Apr 11 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Misguided Outrage At NY Times' Ethicist Over Ethics Of Downloading A Book | Techdirt .::. Size~: 149.27 KB | Apr 11 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Juliet vs. Juliet: Did Someone Forget To Tell Hollywood You Can't Copyright An Idea? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 42.38 KB | Apr 11 22:23 |
| NZheretic | "And, reader you can do that to!" | Apr 11 22:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Newspapers Can't Profit by Fighting Abundance http://ur1.ca/ulfn http://ur1.ca/ulfo | Apr 11 22:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] laptop survived 10.04 upgrade. ambience theme v nice. firefox default theme horrible. | Apr 11 22:23 | |
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| TechrightsBot | Title: Another Paywall Experiment Ends Badly « NewsCred Blog Thoughts on the Future of News .::. Size~: 17.79 KB | Apr 11 22:24 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Digital Economy Bill Makes Some Musicians Furious http://ur1.ca/ulfq http://ur1.ca/u2i7 #debill | Apr 11 22:24 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: My letter to the Musicians Union About the Digital Economy Bill Steve Lawson: Bass 2.0 the soundtrack to the day you wish you'd had .::. Size~: 156.48 KB | Apr 11 22:25 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Review of #CrossOver 9.0 for #GNU #Linux http://www.thinkdigit.com/Features/CrossOver-90-Linux-Review-Part-3-Some_4389.html | Apr 11 22:26 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: CrossOver 90 Linux Review Part 3 Some - Online Best Latest CrossOver 90 Linux Review Part 3 Some Price Reviews | Features in India .::. Size~: 99.25 KB | Apr 11 22:27 |
| NZheretic | The best campaign that techrights could do would be to inform a larger audience of what is actually under threat. "In the future your going to be able to do less things than you used to do with today's technology" | Apr 11 22:29 |
| NZheretic | "... unless you stand up, speak out and make use of those rights." | Apr 11 22:30 |
| _goblin | hello all | Apr 11 22:39 |
| MinceR | hay | Apr 11 22:39 |
| MinceR | http://www.vertor.com/index.php?mod=blog&id=6 | Apr 11 22:45 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Mental note not to pick up the phone when iPhone owning tories call me. http://tmik.co.uk/?p=312 | Apr 11 22:52 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: This Much I Know - » The Conservative iPhone app and the DPA .::. Size~: 56.03 KB | Apr 11 22:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitpic.com/1eyc8l - Netrunner Albedo - Ubuntu w/o Mono. Review coming shortly! #linux #foss #netrunner | Apr 11 23:03 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Netrunner Albedo - Ubuntu w/o Mono. Review coming shortly! #l... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 7.82 KB | Apr 11 23:03 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Netrunner (Albedo) – A look at a brand new distro! http://tinyurl.com/yc92dnr #linux #foss #gnu #wine #novell #mono | Apr 11 23:13 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Netrunner (Albedo) A look at a brand new distro! « OPEN BYTES cave quid dicis, quando, et cui. .::. Size~: 37.01 KB | Apr 11 23:13 |
| _goblin | Right....got that out of the way..... | Apr 11 23:14 |
| _goblin | Now should I enjoy an episode of Doctor Who or ROH? | Apr 11 23:14 |
| *Ziodotmatrix (~wIRCer@ool-44c468e3.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Apr 11 23:32 | |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 11 23:36 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz think you'd like rmsgnu/linux1.2 better than tinyme(tinyme is based on pclinuxos, both are about 200mb- rms's smaller, has kde)" http://identi.ca/conversation/28111306#notice-28155884 | Apr 11 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.31 KB | Apr 11 23:41 |
| schestowitz | I never heard of it...... | Apr 11 23:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] o_0 Bishop 'blames Jews' for criticism of Catholic church record on abuse http://is.gd/boP7m they're putting satirists out of business | Apr 11 23:50 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Bishop 'blames Jews' for criticism of Catholic church record on abuse |World news |The Guardian .::. Size~: 65.85 KB | Apr 11 23:50 |
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