04.17.08

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Novell Promotes an OOXML Web Equivalent on Behalf of Microsoft

Posted in Apple, GNU/Linux, GPL, Microsoft, Mono, Novell, Patents, Windows at 11:23 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Silverlight puke, barf

We have already seen on numerous occasions how Novell essentially markets Microsoft's OOXML while everyone else slams it. But OOXML may be just the tip of the iceberg.

We have not mentioned Microsoft’s Silverlight in a while, but it’s a seriously ill lock-in which needs to be tackled as soon as possible. Antitrust regulators are already looking into it, but they seem to be lagging, almost falling behind the curve. Novell is a major part of this problem.

“…OOXML may be just the tip of the iceberg.”Like Microsoft Office, which Microsoft might try to make synonymous with OOXML (for marketing purpose using “open” on the one hand while dissociating and hiding the tight relationship between those two), Silverlight supports Macs and Windows PCs but not GNU/Linux. This is deliberate, so it is not a case involving technical deficiencies or impossibility. Expect the same from Microsoft's XPS.

In many ways, therefore, OOXML (not ISO OOXML, but the 'thing' which Microsoft will continue to implement further, undocumented) can be equated to XAML. It’s the same darn mess and a case against Free software. It also brings us to yesterday ‘news’ (vapourware morelike).

Microsoft has been trying to create Silverlight hype recently (self-fulfilling prophecies it would hope). It has been saying that Silverlight support would triple and it is now “teasing” people with what they call “big” deals to be announced. Reconsider the Nokia-Silverlight story and its effect on Linux.

From the news:

Microsoft teases mobile developers with ‘big’ Silverlight deals

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Scott Guthrie, corporate vice president of Microsoft’s developer division, told the company’s ReMix 08 conference the goal is to run Silverlight “everywhere”.

He did not name names, but promised more deals in the months ahead.

[...]

It sees ubiquity as key to Silverlight’s success, and it is gunning for the player and its runtime to match Adobe Systems’ Flash in market- and mind-share and on PC and mobile platforms.

“Ubiquity as key,” eh? Novell to Microsoft’s rescue! Once again.

“At Microsoft I learned the truth about ActiveX and COM and I got very interested in it immediately.”
   –Miguel de Icaza
Scott Guthrie has a friend (almost colleague) at Novell, whose name is Miguel de Icaza. Miguel&Novell is [sic] helping Microsoft in its fight against Adobe, which happens to be a new member of the Linux Foundation. This ought to show you just how close Microsoft and Novell have become, despite the fact that Silverlight is a case against Linux and the GPL. Remember that Flash is not another Silverlight. They are very different.

Remember again and bear in mind that Microsoft does not support Linux but pretends that it does in order for Web developers not to avoid it. At the same time, Microsoft is likely to have already assigned an OSP to Silverlight and it excludes the GPL, by design. Even Miguel saw this and protested out in the open, yet he continues to work on the very same tool which is intended to sabotage GNU/Linux. From Ars technica (yesterday):

At LugRadio Live this past weekend, Novell developer Miguel de Icaza gave a presentation on Moonlight, an open source implementation of Microsoft’s Silverlight web framework. During the presentation, he described the current status of Moonlight and showed some of the ways that it can be used to create richer applications for the Linux desktop.

The earliest work on Moonlight was done in a very short period of time by a group of highly dedicated Novell programmers and Mono community members so that it could be demonstrated to the general public at the Paris MIX 07 event. Moonlight later received Microsoft’s backing as the official Silverlight implementation for Linux.

Of course Microsoft supports a case against GNU/Linux, which is done independently from Microsoft (i.e. no expenses), always playing catchup, and putting users at legal risk (or forcing them to forge software patent deals with Microsoft). It’s the same scenario with Novell’s OOXML translators. Novell believes it’s a mutual relationship. Or is it?

“We need to slaughter Novell before they get stronger….If you’re going to kill someone, there isn’t much reason to get all worked up about it and angry. You just pull the trigger. Any discussions beforehand are a waste of time. We need to smile at Novell while we pull the trigger.”

Jim Allchin, Platform Group Vice President, Microsoft

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24 Comments

  1. CoolGuy said,

    April 17, 2008 at 11:51 pm

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    Novell is just a M$ company now.

    See how every attempt by M$ to destroy linux has fired back.

    - Yahoo is now more closer to Google. Their worst nightmare is about to come true.

    - Adobe join Linux foundation due to silverlight. See more of their products coming out on Linux in near future. Thats good for Linux. M$ has made too many enemies in the market. They have stepped on too many toes.

    - Redhat will be much more stronger in enterprise area. Fedora sucked anyway (live cd too slow and buggy). Let Ubuntu / Mandrake / Slackware take care of the desktop. Atleast they have stop pursuing a loosing deal. Let them get stronger in enterprise server area – that will be good for all of us. Ubuntu can handle the consumer side very well.

    I hope these things are also going to go wrong for M$. They are fighting change, to bad for them.

    - OOXML and their other recent ISO exploits

    - Novell deal is also going to go sour sooner or later.

  2. CoolGuy said,

    April 17, 2008 at 11:54 pm

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    Can we have a nosilverlight domain like noooxml to promote the wrong things that M$ is trying to do.

  3. Roy Schestowitz said,

    April 18, 2008 at 12:12 am

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    It was suggested in the past that the EFF should start targeting Silverlight, not just because it’s a Windows DRM trap. Who else might have the capacity to fight XAML, which is much worse than ActiveX?

  4. cuss said,

    April 18, 2008 at 1:40 am

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    Just a note that your “We need to slaughter Novell before they get stronger” and other negative advertising media get really, really boring after 100+ uses on your website…

    Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from a known (eet), pseudonymous, nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

  5. Logan said,

    April 18, 2008 at 2:41 am

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    Miguel de Icaza’s intentions is to transform Linux into a sweatshop knockoff of Windows. There’s a reason none of it is license under GPL3 and in fact more and more is being relicensed under the MIT license. This is not for the good of Linux or it’s users but to satisfy Microsoft.

  6. Logan said,

    April 18, 2008 at 2:46 am

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    Also, moonshit is going to be impregnated with DRM and proprietary codecs licensed exclusively to Novell. But these codecs can only be used in the browser space. Even more restrictions. What a wonderful future these guys have for Linux. These guys are worse that cancer.

  7. Roy Schestowitz said,

    April 18, 2008 at 3:04 am

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    There’s a reason none of it is license under GPL3 and in fact more and more is being relicensed under the MIT license. This is not for the good of Linux or it’s users but to satisfy Microsoft.

    Miguel published the following very recently (April 16th):

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2008/Apr-16-2.html
    “Mono C# compiler now also MIT X11 licensed”

    Also, moonshit is going to be impregnated with DRM and proprietary codecs licensed exclusively to Novell. But these codecs can only be used in the browser space. Even more restrictions.

    That’s just something to ensure everyone is made aware of. It’s intentionally kept under a thick blanket.

  8. cuss said,

    April 18, 2008 at 5:24 am

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    Take a step back and read what you write. Sounds like loonies? Well, that’s your own fault.

    Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from a known (eet), pseudonymous, nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

  9. Roy Schestowitz said,

    April 18, 2008 at 5:45 am

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    Author : cuss (IP: 92.227.197.152 , g227197152.adsl.alicedsl.de)
    E-mail : tishandpish@youknow.com

    Author : cuss (IP: 85.195.123.22 , mail222.anonymouse.org)
    E-mail : cuss@youknow.com

    “eet”, is that you nymshifting again? Maybe it’s time to flag all your messages sensibly again.

  10. cuss said,

    April 18, 2008 at 6:05 am

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    Come again? My workplace blocks your site, among others, so I use anonymouse.

    Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from a known (eet), pseudonymous, nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

  11. Roy Schestowitz said,

    April 18, 2008 at 6:17 am

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    Willkommen, eet?

  12. cuss said,

    April 18, 2008 at 6:33 am

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    What? I don’t talk that heathen lingo of yours.

    Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from a known (eet), pseudonymous, nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

  13. Roy Schestowitz said,

    April 18, 2008 at 6:38 am

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    You don’t? Explain to us please why you stepped on the very same IP addresses as you did before only to find yourself on the very narrow blacklist. You’re “eet”. Even your writing style gave it away. You nymshifted again. And we shall flag your posts accordingly.

  14. cuss said,

    April 18, 2008 at 6:54 am

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    I should not be surprised of your behavior. It really is a sad, sad reaction of an individual who really seems to have problems. Very sad, but very revealing, too.

    Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from an incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

  15. cuss said,

    April 18, 2008 at 6:57 am

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    So now you are censoring my comments, too? I have never seen such cowardish behavior on any other blog or forum! You SAD little man.

    Perhaps you should have meditated about the fact that ‘alice.dsl’ is one of Europe’s biggest ISPs. But no, have it your way. Cretin.

    Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from an incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

  16. cuss said,

    April 18, 2008 at 7:12 am

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    “Explain to us please why you stepped on the very same IP addresses as you did before only to find yourself on the very narrow blacklist.”

    It is hypocritical to ask me to explain something to the public and preventing me from doing so. Again, this simply proves that you are – regretable as it may be – a cretin.

    Note: comment has been flagged for arriving from an incarnation of a known (eet), pseudonymous, forever-nymshifting, abusive Internet troll that posts from open proxies and relays around the world.

  17. DropDeadMiguel said,

    April 18, 2008 at 8:39 am

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    Hey “eet” or whatever you call yourself…why not just change your name to Steve Barkto now and get it over with?

    Anyway…Miguel’s “Moonlight” (shall we start calling it “Monkeyshit”?) is a prime example of what I’ve been saying for ages: Miguel is a fake, a phoney and a charlatan. Back in his early GNOME days I saw this right away and was amused/amazed that no one else did (but hey, he rode high on a wave of Slashdot promotion for years).

  18. ig said,

    April 18, 2008 at 9:11 am

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    Novell is dead and gone, just like SCO. The company now called SCO is actually Caldera, just like the company now called Novell is actually Ximian. With Microsoft-sympathizers such as Miguel de Icaza and Nat Friedman at the helm (who I still think are secretly *on* Microsoft’s payroll), it is clear that Novell is now simply the Linux division of Microsoft.

    The free world needs to shun these traitors before they do any more damage.

  19. paul said,

    April 18, 2008 at 10:16 am

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    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! Yah, Novell is OWNED by m$. This in combination with Novell’s CEO comment about the uptake of desktop Linux (which is as good as a survey done by IDC or Gartner) is yet another desperate act by very desperate people. Novell is not open source in any way, shape, or form. They’ve become m$’s Frankenstein monster. (Roy, there’s another idea for whoever does your sweet graphics like for this post re Silverlight.)

    As a matter of fact, I won’t even suggest SUSE to anyone now. All the distros that have been sucked up by the borg are off the list IMHO.

    It strikes me that m$ has grabbed on to Novell/SUSE, et al as a stop-gap measure to cover for the abject failure of Vista.

  20. CoolGuy said,

    April 18, 2008 at 10:27 am

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    Het eet – do me a favour – can u tell you employer novell and your boss icaza to shove their monocrap and moonshit right up their arse. humm…ok.

  21. Roy Schestowitz said,

    April 18, 2008 at 3:23 pm

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    As a matter of fact, I won’t even suggest SUSE to anyone now.

    This may not be enough. The issue that’s greater is the down-streaming.

  22. paul said,

    April 18, 2008 at 4:21 pm

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    You’re absolutely right, Roy. I phrased that wrong in my comment (in a rush to comment). When the discussion turns to what distro to choose, I recommend that they avoid them since they are only extensions of Redmond. And for this purpose, your site stands out. That’s another reason why I promote the cred list whenever it’s appropriate. Hopefully a few more people visit and learn.

  23. fstephens said,

    April 19, 2008 at 11:19 am

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    I agree about recommending against Suse, or any other distro affiliated with M$. I point those out on my blog so new users won’t be totally in the dark about the situation.

    http://LinuxLatitude.blogspot.com

  24. Roy Schestowitz said,

    April 19, 2008 at 11:23 am

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    Turbolinux could possibly be added, but it’s only used extensively in Asia. Thanks for raising awareness.

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