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08.24.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: August 23rd, 2008 – Part I

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:57 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Enter the IRC channel now

jose schestowitz: keep in mind that it’s easier to reply when one disagrees. Take it as a positive if you get page reads but fewer comments that ideal. Aug 23 00:06
schestowitz Fair point. Thanks. It’s just weird to get about 1 comment per 5000 reads. Aug 23 00:07
jose i spent some time with various stories from 19th onward. kept the tabs open. ended up not posting to boycottnovell but posted on related content in various other places. Aug 23 00:10
jose 19th of this month. Aug 23 00:10
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jose http://www.redhat.com/security/da... Aug 23 00:49
jose current update is that the nonofficial channels have a few modified packages Aug 23 00:50
schestowitz Maybe mischiefs on some mirrors? (haven't looked yet) Aug 23 00:51
twitter Jose seems to be referring to two recent Slashdot covers.  http://www.popularmechanics.com/techno... Aug 23 00:57
twitter worth reading.  The MIT students tell their version, which has Boston totally screwing them with a meeting where they and the FBI say, "No problem go present your lecture" then filing suit the next Friday while students are on plane to LV. Aug 23 00:59
twitter The other story is a problem with Red Hat's Enterprise servers.  Some kind of intrusion was detected. Aug 23 01:00
schestowitz Yes. Aug 23 01:00
schestowitz I saw the MIT article. Haven't followed it very closely though, just headlines and summaries. Aug 23 01:01
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twitter The interview was worth reading.  Nothing like stories from those involved to cut through the BS, especially when there's been a gag order. Aug 23 01:02
schestowitz Now I do another marathon of Novell blasting. I have about 6 on the queue. Aug 23 01:02
ReverseGTR what else is this channel for? :D Aug 23 01:02
schestowitz ASCII Art. Aug 23 01:03
ReverseGTR schestowitz: what happened to the anti-Novell barrage? Aug 23 01:06
neighborlee back ;0- Aug 23 01:07
neighborlee did I miss anything momentual  heh Aug 23 01:07
schestowitz ReverseGTR: what do you mean? Aug 23 01:07
neighborlee boy I btuchered that word :) Aug 23 01:07
neighborlee monumental Aug 23 01:07
schestowitz Hi, neighborlee Aug 23 01:07
neighborlee hi schestowitz Aug 23 01:08
schestowitz ReverseGTR: what do you mean? Aug 23 01:08
ReverseGTR schestowitz: you were chatting up about Novell blasing and have 6 comments on queue Aug 23 01:08
schestowitz Oh, that. I accumulate links first and then post in a bursty fashion. I'll post the first one in a couple of minutes. I do the long ones last. :-) Aug 23 01:09
ReverseGTR lol ok Aug 23 01:10
neighborlee schestowitz, I mentioned the balmer comment about only novel being safe, and AA ( you all know who ) said well you wouldnt' expect fedora to ship with flightgear so should he be avoiding it ROFL..boy they are getting desperate in their replies ;)) Aug 23 01:12
schestowitz neighborlee: the big news (in my eyes) I'll post in second. Aug 23 01:13
schestowitz Now Novell publicly acknowledges the message that it sells patents (or patent protection) Aug 23 01:14
neighborlee ROFL Aug 23 01:14
schestowitz This is significant, but I think their PR Director (a new guy) made a mistake... slip of the tongue Aug 23 01:14
neighborlee we all knew, but its nice hearing it..makes all this effort worthwhile even more so ;) Aug 23 01:14
schestowitz As I'll write in a moment, he doesn't know yet that in Novell he's supposed to lie to the public Aug 23 01:14
neighborlee ROFL Aug 23 01:15
schestowitz "Not pa-TENT, Inter-OH!-pera-bility" Aug 23 01:15
neighborlee dain newbies ;)) Aug 23 01:15
neighborlee grins Aug 23 01:15
twitter Sooner or later, M$ wants to mover their "royalty" scheme out in the open.  This could be a floater. Aug 23 01:20
schestowitz Okay, posted Aug 23 01:20
twitter looking Aug 23 01:20
schestowitz twitter: it's already out in the open. Aug 23 01:20
twitter Then why lie about it? Aug 23 01:21
schestowitz Seen this one yet? http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05... Aug 23 01:21
twitter The language is going to become more clear as they seek to brainwash people into thinking it's right. Aug 23 01:21
schestowitz twitter: so that Novell feels comfortable. That's why it consored/sot down so many critics Aug 23 01:21
schestowitz At BN.com we were left 'alone' because Novell bombarded (Seigo says "spammed") people to ensure they don't blast Novell/Microsoft in public like they did in 2006 Aug 23 01:22
twitter Whoa!  Did you see the part about M$ orchestrating a patent troll attack on Red Hat and Novel? Aug 23 01:28
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twitter " Acacia you ask? It's a patent troll company. Eight days before it sued Red Hat and Novell, Acacia hired Brad Brunell, Former Microsoft General Manager, Intellectual Property Licensing, to be its senior VP. Coincidence? I think not." Aug 23 01:30
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neighborlee yup I recall that Aug 23 01:31
neighborlee more of the same ;) Aug 23 01:31
schestowitz twitter: where from? Aug 23 01:32
schestowitz Is it new? Aug 23 01:32
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neighborlee if its new it sure sounds like somethign I read about year ago or so Aug 23 01:33
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schestowitz I'm jut not sure if it's something we documented. Aug 23 01:34
schestowitz Later I'll post something about a patent troll with a closer Microsoft connection (Gates too is a backer). They are much worse than Acacia. Aug 23 01:35
twitter It came from the bottom of your CW blog article. Aug 23 01:35
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schestowitz A new arttcle? Aug 23 01:41
twitter no, the one you just posted.  http://blogs.computerworld.com/novell_and_mi... Aug 23 01:43
twitter check the last four paragraphs. Aug 23 01:43
twitter It would be nice to find other references about that. Aug 23 01:43
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twitter Yes, Acacia says they hired a M$ munchkin.  http://findarticles.com/p/articles/... Aug 23 01:45
twitter Here's news of the law suit  http://jeremy.linuxquestions.org/2007/10/12/patent-... Aug 23 01:46
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schestowitz Thanks. I'm looking. Aug 23 01:47
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twitter http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?sto... Aug 23 01:47
schestowitz Yes, I remember. I was on vacation back then. Aug 23 01:48
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twitter Groklaw counts 3 M$ munchkins at Acacia. Aug 23 01:49
schestowitz I thought there were 2 Aug 23 01:49
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schestowitz Either way, Myhrvold is a bigger issue. Aug 23 01:49
schestowitz That POS has a sick mind. He thinks of any stupid idea as a valuable object Aug 23 01:49
schestowitz Gates the Hypocrite (remember 91' letter) supports him. Aug 23 01:50
schestowitz Microsoft is the next SCO and Novell is a nice shiny tool or acquisition target. Aug 23 01:50
twitter Novell is the next SCO? Aug 23 01:51
schestowitz Microsoft 'lawsuit departments' (like the RIAA or MPAA to serve as proxies and distance PR damage) are Acacia and Intellectual Ventured. Aug 23 01:51
schestowitz *Ventures Aug 23 01:51
schestowitz No, not Novell. Aug 23 01:51
schestowitz But Microsoft wants and needs Novell IP Aug 23 01:51
schestowitz Rememeber that Novell owns UNIX. Aug 23 01:51
schestowitz Novell is peanuts copmared to Yahoo! Market cap of about $2.1 billiob Aug 23 01:52
neighborlee lol,,yeah that deal went nowhere..whew Aug 23 01:52
twitter SCO was a FUD proxy.  So is Novell. Aug 23 01:52
schestowitz neighborlee: the Yahoo thing is now over. Aug 23 01:52
neighborlee yup I know..whew Aug 23 01:53
schestowitz I don't have time for a standalone post about it, but Microsoft has proxies in Yahoo now. It could be waiting. Maybe. Aug 23 01:53
schestowitz Microsoft is toast with or without Yahoo, but I need Yahoo for my things, so I;d rather Yahoo didn't due along with The Beast Aug 23 01:53
twitter M$ likes to finish their competition by making them a tool. Aug 23 01:53
neighborlee sorry to sound lamem, but what are these proxies stuff you refer to Aug 23 01:54
schestowitz SCO: RIP Aug 23 01:54
neighborlee lol Aug 23 01:54
schestowitz Pink sheet. Aug 23 01:54
schestowitz Net up Novell. Aug 23 01:54
schestowitz They got delisting warning last year. Almost got knocked off the NASDAQ. Aug 23 01:54
twitter As Novell's business dries up, they will go to M$ for more money.  In the end, they will look just like SCO did. Aug 23 01:55
schestowitz Yes, only with .NET rather than UNIX abandonware. Aug 23 01:56
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blackrabbit knock knock Aug 23 03:27
blackrabbit who's there? Aug 23 03:27
blackrabbit Corel Aug 23 03:27
blackrabbit Corel who? Aug 23 03:27
blackrabbit good question Aug 23 03:27
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self_liar damn Aug 23 05:11
self_liar again! Aug 23 05:11
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sellerth please ,help me! Aug 23 05:15
sellerth what fucking hell is this?! Aug 23 05:15
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jose I'll only stay a few minutes... Aug 23 05:17
sellerth there are a lot of nicknames Aug 23 05:18
jose did you people read the piece on industry standards possibly being nothing but a show Aug 23 05:18
sellerth self_liar Aug 23 05:18
jose it showed up on lt a few days back Aug 23 05:18
sellerth sellerth Aug 23 05:18
sellerth seller_liar Aug 23 05:18
sellerth what is this? Aug 23 05:18
sellerth I'm trying to use my default name seller_liar Aug 23 05:20
sellerth but it's Aug 23 05:20
sellerth it' not accepted Aug 23 05:20
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seller_liar oh sorry Aug 23 05:21
seller_liar problem resolved Aug 23 05:22
jose see.. Aug 23 05:22
jose you're a stellar liar Aug 23 05:22
seller_liar but self_liar persists Aug 23 05:22
seller_liar someone has using the name for entry in this channel Aug 23 05:23
jose http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastru... Aug 23 05:24
jose it's called "the great industry standard conspiracy" Aug 23 05:25
seller_liar jose: the problem jose is a majority of people does not fighting for nothing... Aug 23 05:25
seller_liar jose: the problem jose is a majority of people does not fight for nothing... Aug 23 05:25
seller_liar jose: The mass prefers drink ,drunk and die Aug 23 05:26
jose ddd Aug 23 05:27
seller_liar jose: to be more exactly ,a lot of people prefers a eternal party Aug 23 05:27
seller_liar jose: epimeteus life Aug 23 05:27
jose life can be tough Aug 23 05:27
seller_liar jose: People only "wake up" if only  some part of family dies Aug 23 05:28
jose ddd can help avoid feelings of despare... a guess Aug 23 05:28
seller_liar jose: but this is not the way Aug 23 05:28
seller_liar jose: problems with time always persist and more agressive way Aug 23 05:29
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jose self got d'd Aug 23 05:29
seller_liar jose: what Aug 23 05:29
jose self d'd Aug 23 05:29
seller_liar jose: it's ok now Aug 23 05:29
jose self_liar finally bit the big one Aug 23 05:30
seller_liar jose: sorry for the problem Aug 23 05:30
jose dd_ Aug 23 05:30
seller_liar jose: but i need to go 1:30 am here Aug 23 05:30
seller_liar bye Aug 23 05:30
jose self_liar peristed.. problem got worse and the d'd Aug 23 05:30
jose ok, bye Aug 23 05:30
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jose gotta go Aug 23 05:31
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schestowitz Microsoft could come back to Yahoo... http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200... Aug 23 08:58
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schestowitz http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry3012.html Aug 23 11:30
schestowitz “Microsoft could be investing in Novell for a complete buyout at some point in the future after Novell developers create the ultimate OS for them, using Microsoft’s money, of course. $300+ million buys you a lot of development.” Aug 23 11:30
ModplanMan http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2008/08/… Aug 23 11:55
ModplanMan focused on gaming, but points out MS as being all smoke and mirrors Aug 23 11:55
ModplanMan wait, wrong one Aug 23 11:55
ModplanMan http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/2008/08/23/… Aug 23 11:55
ModplanMan “For example, take marketshare for computers. Microsoft would like everyone to think that the marketshare for computers is something like 95% Microsoft, 2% Apple, 3% whoever else. But the reality is that computers are two products: hardware and software. Microsoft doesn’t make the hardware for computers. A company like Apple does not compete against Windows so much as they really compete against Dell, HP, and Aug 23 11:56
schestowitz Hi ModplanMan Aug 23 11:57
ModplanMan hi, you may better know me as RyanT Aug 23 11:57
schestowitz Yes! Aug 23 11:57
schestowitz Well,  the market share thing is interesting. Aug 23 11:57
schestowitz Gates has, according to the BeOS man, always realised that he can suppress development for competing platforms by giving the reality or illusion that everything is Windows. Aug 23 11:58
schestowitz I keep hearing about 5%-10% market share for GNU/Linux, but there are very odd surveys that are used to deceive. Aug 23 11:58
ModplanMan Yeah – I think it’s very much a point to count other devices and hardware as well as just desktop Aug 23 11:59
schestowitz On Linux adoption: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/… Aug 23 11:59
schestowitz On vapourware, I have plenty. Recent ones include: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/… (more links to previous posts in the middle) Aug 23 12:00
ModplanMan the best way to think about it – it is all just part of software business, therfore, distinguishing between desktop and mobile is pretty arbitrary Aug 23 12:00
ModplanMan nice link Aug 23 12:00
schestowitz Microsoft’s memos, e.g. http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf , drip evidence of Big Lie tactics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie Aug 23 12:02
ModplanMan it’s very possible that competitors can come up through a mobile business (phones, netbooks etc) and move towards desktop via that Aug 23 12:03
ModplanMan I suggest you look into the business concept of disruption – and how that may give Linux the edge Aug 23 12:03
schestowitz It’s not just that. Many devices run the Linux kernel. Billions of them. To say that “Microsoft dominates computers” is like saying that Britain is best at sports (worldwide) because it wins at cricket. Aug 23 12:04
ModplanMan ha, we can barely do that Aug 23 12:05
schestowitz Another thing that crossed my mind. Aug 23 12:06
schestowitz Microsoft loves saying that Linux is secure only because of low market penetration (which is bull because it runs on more servers than one could ever count or keep track of). Aug 23 12:06
schestowitz Earlier today at CNET I noticed some trollish comments about the Red Hat OpenSSH incident. Aug 23 12:07
schestowitz There’s also this post from Microsoft ‘shill’ (PR in ‘journalist’ clothing) talking about the sec change, but that’s another story… let’s not go ad hominem. Aug 23 12:08
ModplanMan Christensen, the man who came up with innovative disruption *look it up on wikipedia) actually recommended to the US goernment to not break up MS, as they were ripe for “disruption”. and yeah, the problem with is , as always, a lack of context Aug 23 12:09
schestowitz At the end, as far as I know, they were not broken up because of political corruption. A year ago Neelie talked about splitting them. Aug 23 12:10
ModplanMan Methinks it’s a bit of both. They don’t want to, and christensen says they don’t have to Aug 23 12:11
ModplanMan Apple, and further down the road Linux could make a lot of inroads Aug 23 12:11
schestowitz ModplanMan: at what cost though? Intel needs radical intervention as well. It’s morbidly corrupt. Aug 23 12:13
ModplanMan with disruption, the incumbent (dominant company) becomes stagnant throuugh listening too much to existing consumers miss other oppertunities (like Google got the internet). Intel look like they’re setting up for disruption – they mentioned it at one point in 06 Aug 23 12:14
ModplanMan they have a foothold in the integrated graphics. They’re now using that for Larrabee, I would assume Aug 23 12:14
ModplanMan (disruption involves moving “upmarket” to more demanding and profitable areas, destroying the old dominants) Aug 23 12:15
schestowitz ARM and UMPCs are another issue for them. Aug 23 12:15
ModplanMan hmmm, don’t know so much about those Aug 23 12:15
schestowitz In Intel’s case, the problem is that they are now abusing NVidia too. NVidia is already furious and the CEO speaks about Intel’s FUD. They expand. Aug 23 12:15
ModplanMan That’ll happen. Like boys with their toys. Intel if they’re succesful with Larrabee could well end up eating Nvidia Aug 23 12:16
ModplanMan at least the driver support would be better! Aug 23 12:16
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schestowitz They don’t mind the software side. Aug 23 12:17
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schestowitz They don’t mind the software side. Aug 23 12:17
schestowitz They sell chips, not ‘trade secrets’ on code that interacts with those chips. Aug 23 12:18
ModplanMan hmmm, one step at a time methinks. Can barely convince enough dominant companies to get to open source software Aug 23 12:19
ModplanMan http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows… Aug 23 12:21
schestowitz There ought to have been a big OSS announcement from NVidia in August. Aug 23 12:21
schestowitz Still a few week s (days) to go. More like a week actually, unless NVidia changed its mind with those new problems in mind. Aug 23 12:22
ModplanMan what problems be those? Am a bit out of the loop Aug 23 12:23
schestowitz Bad chips. Aug 23 12:23
schestowitz They’ll have to replace lots of video cards. Aug 23 12:23
schestowitz Mine is among the defective series, AFAIK. Aug 23 12:24
ModplanMan ach, that’s is bad Aug 23 12:24
schestowitz Let me find a URL. Aug 23 12:24
schestowitz http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news… Aug 23 12:25
ModplanMan ha Aug 23 12:27
schestowitz It’s exaggerated though. Charlie’s style… Aug 23 12:27
ModplanMan ah, aren’t chipsets technically “near the bottom” so to speak, compared to their graphics cards Aug 23 12:28
schestowitz I’m not very proficient when it comes to motherboards and other components. Aug 23 12:29
ModplanMan kk. I’m back off into the abyss nows, see you some other times maybes Aug 23 12:30
schestowitz Will do, hopefully. Aug 23 12:31
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trmanco http://www.itwire.com/content/view/20193/53/ Aug 23 14:29
schestowitz Thanks. Aug 23 14:30
schestowitz I wrote a post about it yesterday: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/22/troll… Aug 23 14:30
trmanco this is just sick Aug 23 14:38
trmanco :| Aug 23 14:38
schestowitz Patents ahead, methinks. I used to advocate GNU/Linux peacefully, but the smear campaigns against me led to exploration of the darker side of things. I reckon that interesting times are ahead and this includes legal battles (as much as I hate them). Aug 23 14:40
schestowitz PJ thinks so  too. Microsoft is the next SCO, she told InfoWorld, IIRC Aug 23 14:41
schestowitz I still like Novell, but I can see where it’s heading. These sentiments of concern (not resentment) begin to be echoed even by the OSI, which seems to agree now as well. Aug 23 14:41
pcole Ever hear of the description of a drowning person’s acts to survive. How the person grasps at anything, even committing the illogical to survive?  Picture M$ as the drowning. Aug 23 15:02
schestowitz Yes, but who else is it pulling down? Aug 23 15:03
schestowitz Just at this very moment (to be posted in a minute) I write about Yahoo Aug 23 15:03
schestowitz Microsoft can take Yahoo down /with/ it, which would be sad. Aug 23 15:04
pcole The unheard/uncounted/undocumented FOSS installs that media does not cover. Aug 23 15:05
schestowitz They play psychological games. Aug 23 15:06
schestowitz Microsoft: “”Ideally, use of the competing technology becomes associated with mental deficiency, as in, “he believes in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and OS/2.” Just keep rubbing it in, via the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever. Make the complete failure of the competition’s technology part of the mythology of the computer industry. “ Aug 23 15:06
schestowitz internal document @ http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf Aug 23 15:07
pcole Yes, the “Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny” attack may work to a certain extent on a corporate environment, but a lot of people at the “grassroots”, especially the poor, and developing are getting smarter.  Like I said a while back, we were doing our own Lindependence locally and it’s meeting with much success. Aug 23 15:13
schestowitz Any coverage of this? There are many untold stories. Aug 23 15:21
schestowitz There’s also gagging. Aug 23 15:21
schestowitz I had a question for SJVN: “Did Novell contact you just minutes after the press release got out? They seem to have ‘gagged’ critics.” Aug 23 15:21
schestowitz Turns out it’s “[j]ust the usual follow-up e-mail. I pestered them for more, which is why my [his] news coverage had a bit more than the usual.” Aug 23 15:22
schestowitz There are people who Novell’s PR ‘took to the corner’ before they could speak. Aug 23 15:22
schestowitz SJVN says the criticism of the decision appeared yesterday (and “The title says it all.”): http://blogs.computerworld.com/novell_and_m… I’ve cited it like 5 times already. I miss S.u.S.E. Aug 23 15:22
schestowitz He later added that “Novell doesn’t have anything like enough clout to stop criticism. If little appeared it’s because most writers, I’m sorry to say, didn’t bother to look at this latest chapter closely.” Either way, lots of information is suppressed or /DROWNED/ by the Novell/Microsoft PR. The message does not get out. Aug 23 15:23
pcole There is no coverage, but I’ve contacted our local newspaper. Also, will contact our LUG to get some volunteers. It’s a one man operation right now but it will grow.  The kids are happy as are we and can’t lose sight of the “one-on-one” personal tutoring of not only the young but also the retirees we’ve been doing. Aug 23 15:55
pcole It started as a community church-based project. The philosophy of unethical behaviour has no place in human interaction. Aug 23 15:58
schestowitz I heard about these. Aug 23 16:03
schestowitz It’s a good thing that DTP has been getting footage of Lindependence. I put some of these videos in BN.com Aug 23 16:03
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_Doug Novell brings IP peace of mind .. :) Aug 23 18:28
_Doug http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/08/… Aug 23 18:29
neighborlee ahaha yup we know ;) Aug 23 18:30
_Doug “in many cases, they need help with the transition to SUSE Linux Enterprise Server from other Linux environments. “ Aug 23 18:30
_Doug MS helps Linux customers ‘transition’ to SuSE .. :] Aug 23 18:31
_Doug “Cross-platform interoperability is something that we all want and need to achieve. But it’s difficult to accomplish this,” Aug 23 18:32
_Doug No it isn’t .. computers are designed to talk to other computers, it’s all ones and noughts you know .. :) Aug 23 18:32
MinceR that’s what standards are for Aug 23 18:32
_Doug ‘“The pragmatic approach Microsoft and Novell are taking to address this complex challenge, including IP assurance’ Aug 23 18:33
MinceR even if neither microsoft nor novell understands what standards are Aug 23 18:33
_Doug FUD ijjection through bogus corss-colaberation agreements .. Aug 23 18:33
neighborlee if they reallly cared for standards, they wouldn’t have made a pact specifically with just one company, nor would they have             created a mess with OOxml ;) Aug 23 18:33
neighborlee _Doug,modus operandi indeed ;) Aug 23 18:34
_Doug “Novell and Microsoft  will continue their close technical collaboration ..  and the Moonlight multimedia framework” Aug 23 18:34
_Doug modus ? Aug 23 18:35
neighborlee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_operandi Aug 23 18:35
_Doug INTEROPxABILITY is working right now Aug 23 18:36
_Doug Why do you need to sign away uour rights to your own ‘stuff’ in order to achieve interoperability ? Aug 23 18:36
_Doug I mean SAMBA got the info without a covenant ? Aug 23 18:37
_Doug “Microsoft and Novell are working to make document translation a non-issue” .. irony chip overload .. :) Aug 23 18:38
neighborlee lol Aug 23 18:40
_Doug ‘Read the interoperability Lab press release’ .. can’t as the URL don’t work in Firefox .. the Open Source browser . .that means the Interoperability web site isn’t .. interoperable Aug 23 18:40
_Doug “Novell helps customers minimize cost, complexity and risk” Aug 23 18:42
_Doug What ‘risk’ would that be, against losing customer data .. or gettign sued by MicroVell ? Aug 23 18:43
_Doug Is there a list of companies not called Microsoft or SCO, making IP threatening noises to OPen Source companies ? Aug 23 18:56
_Doug Or Noveel for that matter .. Aug 23 18:56
MinceR xandros, linxpire, turbolinux Aug 23 18:59
MinceR and whoever else microsoft pays to do so at the moment Aug 23 18:59
MinceR s/xp/sp/ Aug 23 18:59
neighborlee linspire is gone now,  freespire is all that remains Aug 23 19:00
neighborlee not that it matters much , but hey. Aug 23 19:00
neighborlee ha Aug 23 19:00
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_Doug do you have any URLS re xandros, linxpire, turbolinux, have they drunk from the koolaid yet ? Aug 23 19:04
_Doug Like in Gullivers Travels, once you drink from the well, you live for ever only go blind, in this case, once you drink the KoolAid, you receive revenue from MS, only forget it’s for your own IP .. :) Aug 23 19:05
_Doug sorry: you receive revenue from Microsoft for IP they don’t own .. :) Aug 23 19:06
_Doug snooozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz … Aug 23 19:14
_Doug stop press: Aliens claim ownership of Linux .. Aug 23 19:18
*schestowitz back Aug 23 19:23
MinceR _Doug: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/06/04/no…   http://boycottnovell.com/2007/06/13/l…   http://boycottnovell.com/2007/10/23/tu… Aug 23 19:23
_Doug I’ve not been keeping up, been busy, as I told roy .. :) Aug 23 19:25
MinceR it would be nice to have a tag for this kind of deal Aug 23 19:25
schestowitz _Doug: what’s the un-inter-Oh-perate site/page? Aug 23 19:25
schestowitz There was already an incident where Novell required IE. Aug 23 19:25
_Doug What would be interesting is a collection of ‘IP risk’ unnerances from the various players .. Aug 23 19:25
_Doug unnerances .. Aug 23 19:26
_Doug utterances .. the paint is faded on this keyboard .. can’t see the keys .. :( Aug 23 19:26
schestowitz _Doug: Turbolinux spread the IP FUD as well. Aug 23 19:27
schestowitz They do it in a joint fashion, but yesterday (or the day before), Ian Bruve (PR director for Novell) did it on his own. Aug 23 19:27
_Doug So it’s all going to plan, clouded much is the force . .:) Aug 23 19:28
schestowitz One talking point (Linspire) is out at least, so the mini-ballmers decline in terms of influence. Aug 23 19:29
_Doug http://www.novell.com/news/press/mi… Aug 23 19:29
_Doug un-inter-Oh-perate site/page?: Is a link off this .. Aug 23 19:29
schestowitz it displays OK Aug 23 19:30
schestowitz Which page is not interoperable? Aug 23 19:30
_Doug Wait .. Aug 23 19:30
_Doug Here: http://www.moreinterop.com/ Aug 23 19:30
schestowitz Cough Cough: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A… Aug 23 19:31
_Doug Click on the ‘read the interoperability lab press release’, there is no hotlink in FF Aug 23 19:31
schestowitz “Solution” is empty Aug 23 19:31
schestowitz Gasp Aug 23 19:32
schestowitz I pretend to be IE. Still no go. Aug 23 19:32
schestowitz Let’s try Konqy Aug 23 19:32
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schestowitz It works with Konqueror. Maybe I should enable JS Aug 23 19:33
schestowitz _Doug: it works if you enable JS Aug 23 19:33
schestowitz Still, bad design decision. Aug 23 19:34
_Doug Konqueror most always works on IExplorer only sites, for some reason .. Aug 23 19:34
_Doug Why not FF ,is strange after all , Novell releases it on their own Desktop, yea ? Aug 23 19:34
_Doug “our websites don’t work with our stuff’ ? Aug 23 19:35
schestowitz Enable JavaScript. You have NoScript I bet (so do I) Aug 23 19:35
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/07… Aug 23 19:35
_Doug I have a script in chrome .. maybe that’s blocking .. are you sure it works in FF ? Aug 23 19:35
schestowitz Yes, but only after JS is on Aug 23 19:36
_Doug OK, must be my customized script. what you need to keep browsing usable lately .. Aug 23 19:37
_Doug Firefox, noscript, flashblock, Aug 23 19:37
schestowitz AdBlock too? Aug 23 19:37
schestowitz Plus? Aug 23 19:37
schestowitz Thunderbird has that too Aug 23 19:38
_Doug Now they even have those talking adverts .. fuck – I’m trying to read some text, I don’t want to listin to a jingle .. Aug 23 19:38
schestowitz And you can open context menus on banner and slap them outta existence! :-) :-) Aug 23 19:38
_Doug my script does the same as adblock, only is highly customizable .. sometins too much .. Aug 23 19:38
_Doug There’s a proxy server privit ? that does the same at the gateway, makes browsign faster Aug 23 19:39
schestowitz The Net becomes more predatory over time (more predatory JS spyware and more XSS). Aug 23 19:40
_Doug browsing faster as the browser don’t have to download 90 elements to view a paragraph of text .. Aug 23 19:40
_Doug time for a break .. back in ten .. Aug 23 19:40
schestowitz Cya Aug 23 19:40
schestowitz I’m gonna do a SCO roundup Aug 23 19:41
_Doug SCO .. Me Inc in China is doing well .. I wonder if the ‘profits’ from this wil help to extend the litigation ? Aug 23 19:53
schestowitz Bill made a trip to China recently Aug 23 19:58
schestowitz How do you say BayStar in Chinese? Aug 23 19:58
_Doug ? Aug 23 20:01
schestowitz It’s a joke Aug 23 20:03
schestowitz Bear in mind that Microsoft can funnel money to SCO in all sorts of ways. Aug 23 20:03
_Doug Me Inc is making a profit .. :) Aug 23 20:04
schestowitz By prolonging the SCO suit, Novell and Microsoft needn’t attack just yet. Aug 23 20:04
schestowitz Find a relationship between Me Inc and Microsoft. Aug 23 20:05
schestowitz That Norris guy and his middle-east Sugar Daddies were already shown to be mates of Gates. Aug 23 20:05
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_Doug “HipCheck  is a new Me Inc. mobility service that lets you proactively monitor and manage your UNIX and Windows systems” Aug 23 20:07
_Doug https://www.hipcheck.me-inc.com/ Aug 23 20:07
schestowitz :-) Aug 23 20:07
schestowitz http://www.google.com/search?source… Aug 23 20:07
jose__ hey.. I’m leaving my desk right now for half an hour but i’m curious if anyone has any comments on this story or the comments on it http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2… Aug 23 20:08
schestowitz Broader: http://www.google.com/search?num=50&am… Aug 23 20:08
schestowitz Microsoft is screwing Alfresco Aug 23 20:09
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