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10.31.08

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 30th, 2008 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 7:02 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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twitter ” whenever I was involved in some specific situations or was having some solid information on them, I was able to read accurate reports on these.”  Nice. Oct 30 00:29
schestowitz He has the OOo people reading his blog, so he has to be careful about associating himself. I’m in good terms with him. Oct 30 00:30
schestowitz That’s also why so many readers never leave a comment  (visibility) and just lurk instead. Oct 30 00:31
twitter Truth talks, bullshit walks.  That’s what free conversations get to.  This is why the trolls are so nasty.  M$ is not fighting free software, they are fighting truth itself. Oct 30 00:34
twitter They ultimately bank on most people forming opinions without being able to research. Oct 30 00:35
schestowitz There is another known issue. Oct 30 00:37
schestowitz It is often said that journalists base their writings on ‘facts’, where ‘facts’ is something other journalists states. Oct 30 00:37
schestowitz *stated. The problem is introduced when the ‘pool’ get polluted by the likes of Rob Enderle, Pete Galli and other moles with agenda. You then have lies spiraling and becoming truth in the minds of people. Oct 30 00:38
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twitter The web eliminates barriers to finding the truth.  Intermediaries are better informed when everyone can read the blogs of those involved and the shelf life of shills goes down from years to months. Oct 30 01:20
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twitter Heh, I just realized M$ has now gone three years without anything for the Christmas greed fest.  Vista launched on January 30.  The next year they could not get a service pack out in time.  This year everyone knows that SP1 did not fix anything.  Vista 7, of course, is no where ready to launch. Oct 30 03:11
twitter No product, no sales, no problems for the rest of the world. Oct 30 03:11
twitter http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/technology/b… Oct 30 03:12
twitter “We got feedback from reviews, from the press, a few bloggers here and there, oh, and some commercials,” ha ha. Oct 30 03:12
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MinceR j0 Oct 30 09:23
schestowitz http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_poli…  “Iceland’s prime minister Geir Haarde said it was “not very pleasant” to learn that anti-terror laws were being used to deal with the company.” Oct 30 09:34
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tessier ZFS is amazing. I really hope it finds its way into Linux someday soon. Oct 30 10:00
tessier I may have to play with zfs-on-fuse Oct 30 10:00
schestowitz Have you seen the links yet? Oct 30 10:01
tessier Which links? Oct 30 10:01
schestowitz I posted a link to a ZFS article half an hour ago (in BN) Oct 30 10:01
*tessier looks Oct 30 10:01
tessier “The ZFS filesystem, which is used by OpenSolaris, offers some advantages over Linux-based filesystems.” Oct 30 10:03
tessier Total understatement. Oct 30 10:03
tessier Linux has nothing which even remotely compares and even btrfs which won’t be ready for production for a couple more years probably won’t compare. Oct 30 10:03
schestowitz btrfs is coming to Linux. Oct 30 10:04
schestowitz Oh Oct 30 10:04
tessier ZFS is going to be pretty darn hard to beat. Oct 30 10:04
schestowitz http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/200… Oct 30 10:19
schestowitz vhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technolo… “Cybercrime in the UK rose by more than 9% in 2007, according to a new report.” Oct 30 10:31
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MinceR i hope btrfs is completed soon Oct 30 10:33
schestowitz Tech layoffs: The scorecard (updated) < http://news.cnet.com/tech-layoff… > Oct 30 10:37
schestowitz Vista 7 already breached. :-) http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10076… ( Microsoft issues security patch for unreleased software ) Oct 30 10:38
schestowitz Prebundling dirty tricks.  “How about comparisons with Microsoft? Pretty soon, Microsoft will be able to claim that all the people who have Server 2008 have Hyper-V, won’t it? ” < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10076377-… > Oct 30 10:41
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schestowitz Microsoft boosters seem to appear in the comments here… about SIlver Lie powered by GNU/Linux servers.. Microsoft, Akamai team up on high-def video streams < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-100… > Oct 30 10:46
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McCain You’re pwned, hahaha! http://beranger.org/index.php?page=dia… Oct 30 11:08
schestowitz What do you mean? Oct 30 11:09
McCain You have a lame choice, and you don’t even know whether your vote is gonna be correctly casted! Oct 30 11:10
McCain You will die in a painful crisis… Oct 30 11:10
McCain Gonna eat some democrats now… Oct 30 11:11
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MinceR http://forums.macosxhints.com/showt… Oct 30 11:54
MinceR lulz Oct 30 11:54
schestowitz Star Trek. Oct 30 11:58
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McCain Obama a commie: The Great Depression: America 1929-1941 [Paperback by Robert S. Mcelvaine Oct 30 12:05
McCain Sory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMfeypnAz6k Oct 30 12:05
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MinceR sounds like somebody wants *!?=5623500a@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/* to be banned :> Oct 30 12:09
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schestowitz They use gateways to troll. It’ll probably end soon. Oct 30 12:13
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MinceR mibbit puts their real ip in the username field though Oct 30 12:14
MinceR in hexadecimal form Oct 30 12:14
MinceR (as do most cgi:irc sites) Oct 30 12:14
schestowitz Is there a quick DNS lookup tool for hex? Oct 30 12:15
MinceR http://kasia.asi.pwr.wroc.pl… Oct 30 12:16
MinceR this is the one i know Oct 30 12:16
MinceR doesn’t seem to want to load Oct 30 12:16
MinceR but it’s easy to hack one up in python Oct 30 12:16
schestowitz Dell Hit With Discrimination Class-action Lawsuit < http://www.pcworld.com/article/1530… > Oct 30 12:16
MinceR or you could search the web for hex2ip Oct 30 12:16
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schestowitz Not the same IPs. Oct 30 12:18
schestowitz Maybe some AstroTurfing thing, but there was a link to Beranger, some it’s someone who knows BN, not some sort of viral FreeNode campaign. Oct 30 12:18
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/153016/e… “A controversial video posted to YouTube shows a touchscreen e-voting machine going haywire. Should you be worried? See for yourself.” Oct 30 12:19
schestowitz “The clerk then explains the “vote-flipping” problem away by saying it must need to be recalibrated. He then does that by inserting a special recalibration card, which is designed to ensure that when touching a particular spot on the voting machine screen, a specific candidate is chosen.” Oct 30 12:20
schestowitz If these people built planes…………. Oct 30 12:20
MinceR same username Oct 30 12:22
MinceR and mibbit Oct 30 12:22
MinceR that means he’s from the same ip Oct 30 12:22
*schestowitz sets ban on McCain!*@* Oct 30 12:23
schestowitz I ike the sound of that. America should do the same. Oct 30 12:23
schestowitz Mitsubishi Electric Cuts Sales, Profit Forecast on Slowdown < http://www.pcworld.com/article/153037/.ht… >; this leads to trolling and desperation… Pioneer Wins PDP Patent Suit Against Samsung SDI < http://www.pcworld.com/article/153034/.ht… >. Lawyers wins. Yay! Oct 30 12:25
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/153018/… (Job Cuts in India’s Call Centers and BPO Likely) and http://www.pcworld.com/article… ( Nintendo Sales up Outside Japan but Profit Forecast Cut ). Apple’s h/w monopoly  at risk again………Psystar Beats Apple to Blu-ray on OS X Computer <  http://www.pcworld.com/article/152… > Oct 30 12:27
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schestowitz Comments worth nothing: http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubunt… Oct 30 12:44
schestowitz “You are missing the whole point of open source software. None of the features in Ubuntu belong to anyone, they belong to all of us, and are the result of unselfish collaboration of a whole community of contributors.” Oct 30 12:44
schestowitz “These features are included in Ubuntu, thus they are Ubuntu’s features. Nice try.” Oct 30 12:44
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PetoKraus oh god Oct 30 13:05
PetoKraus “Instead of this form of Nazism, I would prefer things to Just Work. Don’t tell me to buy another hardware, when I own this old laptop for 7 years already!” Oct 30 13:05
PetoKraus Someone is unwilling to understand, that no one at Debian cares about Beranger’s need. God, everyone knows that Debian packages are mostly out-dated, you can’t even get DeCSS from their official repositories – why keep trashing the old ash again and again? Debian is not for you. Okay, we understand, now move on. Oct 30 13:06
schestowitz Great example of abusing the  term “open source”: Microsoft’s Ozzie Talks Open Source, Azure and More Oct 30 13:06
schestowitz And this: http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_display/ne… Oct 30 13:06
schestowitz ‘Interoperability’ nonsense: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-De… “Absolutely.  And not in interoperability for interoperability’s sake—interoperability because that’s what customers do, that’s what customers want, that’s what customers need.” Oct 30 13:07
schestowitz PetoKraus: yes, Beranger is annoying some projects. The power of forks: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_… Oct 30 13:09
PetoKraus i guess he’ll start trashing Gnewsense for not including firmware Oct 30 13:09
schestowitz He did. Oct 30 13:10
schestowitz He trashes the GPL too. Oct 30 13:10
schestowitz And BSD. Oct 30 13:10
schestowitz Everything he tries, he breaks… Oct 30 13:10
PetoKraus oh god Oct 30 13:11
PetoKraus it’s fun to read still Oct 30 13:11
PetoKraus it’s like poking fun at retarded people Oct 30 13:12
PetoKraus you are not allowed to do it openly Oct 30 13:12
PetoKraus but everyone laughs on the inside. Oct 30 13:12
schestowitz He used to be worse. Oct 30 13:13
PetoKraus really? Oct 30 13:13
schestowitz http://www.beranger.org/edito2008/index.php He went on ‘strike’ last year. Oct 30 13:14
schestowitz My bug is still ignores/not assigned: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172266 Oct 30 13:15
PetoKraus uhm Oct 30 13:17
PetoKraus yeah. that’s why i don’t use mainstream software Oct 30 13:17
PetoKraus E’s bugs are fixed very fast… Oct 30 13:17
PetoKraus right, since I took day off today, I guess I should at least tidy it up here…. Oct 30 13:18
PetoKraus ttyl Oct 30 13:18
PetoKraus haha Oct 30 13:21
PetoKraus i am starting to learn the act of trolling Oct 30 13:21
PetoKraus http://www.irc.gjh.sk/pastebin/687 Oct 30 13:22
PetoKraus i don’t even know that girl, she just added me on facebook…. Oct 30 13:22
schestowitz There are spammers/scammers like that. Oct 30 13:23
schestowitz Be suspicious if sexy girls start ‘befriending’ 100s of people. It’s bots and such stuff. Oct 30 13:24
PetoKraus i know Oct 30 13:24
PetoKraus that’s why i asked. Oct 30 13:24
schestowitz Which is a shame really because nowadays when people become your ‘friend’ (I have like 3000 in Digg), you don’t really know what that means. ‘Friends catalog’… Oct 30 13:24
schestowitz *LOL* Oct 30 13:25
schestowitz Margaux is watching obamas tv spot with the college dems! He just makes sense. Plain and simple.  12:13am Oct 30 13:26
schestowitz – 5 Comments Oct 30 13:26
schestowitz Peter Kraus at 1:44am October 30 Oct 30 13:26
schestowitz Who pays you to do this, seriously. Oct 30 13:26
schestowitz Margaux Wright at 2:21am October 30 Oct 30 13:26
schestowitz Im not getting paid to do anything, caring about the future of my country and therefor my own future is not a job and having an interest in politics and relevant current events is not anything I should have to apologize for or act sheepish about. This is my profile and my status and I can say and post whatever the hell I want on it. If you didnt …  Read Moremean that in a negative way, than I WILL apologize for sounding bitchy, I Oct 30 13:26
schestowitz m tired and on edge since its so close to the election. If you did mean it in a negative way, well, good luck with that. Oct 30 13:26
schestowitz Liz Tauben at 2:47am October 30 Oct 30 13:26
schestowitz peter’s right. why do you care so much? its not like politics are important or affect your life at all..god margaux. Oct 30 13:26
schestowitz Jess Mahon at 5:12am October 30 Oct 30 13:26
schestowitz whoa. calm down little lady. or you’ll get a spankin. Oct 30 13:26
schestowitz Margaux Wright at 10:47am October 30 Oct 30 13:26
schestowitz You know Lizzie youre right, I dont know what I was thinking, I mean its not like either of us is in political science or international relations or anything hahaha and Jessie: I’ll never calm down! :P Oct 30 13:26
PetoKraus you didn’t need to paste it here, really :P Oct 30 13:26
PetoKraus i mean, she’s 19teen, ffs! Oct 30 13:26
schestowitz Girl3645: “I’m feeling bored” Oct 30 13:27
schestowitz Girl3645 added “dude3221″, “”dude3223431″, “dude3221″, “dude3334221″, “dude334221″, “dude3221″, “dude322561″, “dude3225661″, “dude3221″, “dude322651″, “dude328721″, “dude322781″, “dude3221″, “dude3278721″, “dude3221″ as a friend Oct 30 13:27
PetoKraus yeah, though, it’s hard to spot Oct 30 13:28
PetoKraus i am still in doubt of her being engineered Oct 30 13:28
schestowitz It’s sad thing really. Oct 30 13:28
schestowitz There are /real/ girls (or guys) out there who want to make friends online, but you don’t know what’s human and what’s a bot from Korea or whatever… Oct 30 13:29
schestowitz Canonical$$$$$$4: Landscape 1.2 Released with More Customizable Features < http://blog.canonical.com/?p=59 > Oct 30 13:29
schestowitz ” This entry was posted on Wednesday, October 29th” (a day before the hype grandeur) Oct 30 13:30
schestowitz Volunteer harvesting (not that it’s a bad thing): http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1702 ( Ubuntu Open Week Mon 3 Nov – Fri 7 Nov 2008 ) Oct 30 13:32
schestowitz Sabayon 4 for Gentooers: http://planet.sabayonlinux.org/?p=199 Oct 30 13:34
schestowitz Linus dresses up as a Penguin (tux) for Halloween: http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/20… Oct 30 13:38
MinceR :) Oct 30 13:45
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schestowitz Meanwhile, H-P seems to be dumping SLED, replacing it with its own version/variant based on Debian*untu with  a proprietary layer. I look forward to Novell’s response, if any. MSI is looking to replace SUSE with Ubuntu as well.. they look into something that looks like OS X for whatever reason. Oct 30 13:50
schestowitz Hey, CTOOSEAJ Oct 30 13:50
CTOOSEAJ KFSDKFKFPDFOCVGFMHVGJMHVGFJMHMHJKMHKJKUKUKUKMHJK Oct 30 13:50
CTOOSEAJ JMHMHJMHJVGMHKMHMHCVGMHJ Oct 30 13:50
schestowitz :-s Oct 30 13:51
CTOOSEAJ JJIJIIJMHJILKLLŞŞŞOPĞPOITRFEMHYT Oct 30 13:52
schestowitz I understand that the Linux Foundations is funded by Intel, but it would be worth bearing in mind what Intel did to OLPC. Intel cares for GNU/Linux only for selfish gain. Given an opportunity (cash), it attacks or exploits it. I can’t wait for ARM to enter this race with energy-efficient, cost-reduced sub-notebooks that run Linux. Oct 30 13:58
schestowitz http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq8Uc5BFogE Oct 30 14:02
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MinceR how does ARM compare to Atom? Oct 30 14:11
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schestowitz I don’t know exactly, but those Intel x86 chips are still eating lots of battery. Oct 30 14:12
schestowitz Compared to Geode I’d imagine. That’s why they HAD to ‘kill’ the OLPC, battering it endlessly. Intel is like Vista… just sucking up everything that’s available. Oct 30 14:13
schestowitz BTW, according to reports, there’s pressure on Yahoo to approach Microsoft. The type of games Microsoft played to foil Yahoo! negotiations are REVOLTING! That company is more of a political movement than a software, legal, and marketing firm. Oct 30 14:14
twitter It’s a cult. Oct 30 14:21
schestowitz Larry Goldfarb: “Mr. Emerson and I discussed a variety of investment structures wherein Microsoft would ‘backstop,’ or guarantee in some way, BayStar’s investment…. Microsoft assured me that it would in some way guarantee BayStar’s investment in SCO.” Oct 30 14:23
schestowitz Larry Goldfarb: “Microsoft wished to promote SCO and its pending lawsuit against IBM and the Linux operating system. But Microsoft did not want to be seen as attacking IBM or Linux.” Oct 30 14:23
schestowitz Mcirosoft <HEART> Linux now. It wants to be friends with you. Oct 30 14:23
schestowitz But remember. It’s /YOU/ who’s a “Microsoft hater”.  It’s /YOU/ that’s intolerant. Not a company that coordinates lawsuits by proxy using false allegation and claims that you stole ‘innovations’… Oct 30 14:26
schestowitz http://radian.org/notebook/the-gr… “If you’re looking to figure out more of how the crisis came to be, skimming the transcript is a good place to start. And the Times’ Bits blog has a fascinating post putting Greenspan’s comments about risk management systems in context. In short, computers don’t help if you lie to them.” Oct 30 14:29
schestowitz Greed!!! Oct 30 14:29
schestowitz He’s being funny.  http://radian.org/notebook/f… Oct 30 14:31
twitter Biggest profit in history.  http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/30/news/compani… Oct 30 14:38
twitter Thanks Exxon. Oct 30 14:38
twitter Looks like they will have another “best year ever” no matter what happens. Oct 30 14:38
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trmanco schestowitz, how many patents does IBM have? Oct 30 14:53
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PetoKraus UBUNTU RELEASEEEED!!!! OMGOMGOMG Oct 30 14:58
schestowitz Site doen yet? Oct 30 14:58
PetoKraus dunno, from phoronix Oct 30 14:58
schestowitz trmanco: tens of thousands. Oct 30 14:58
PetoKraus not really Oct 30 14:58
PetoKraus it still responds quite well Oct 30 14:59
schestowitz http://torrentfreak.com/use-bittorrent-to… Oct 30 14:59
schestowitz “Ubuntu, the open source GNU/Linux based operating system, is about to release its next big update – Intrepid Ibex. In the past, the update servers would crash very quickly on a big release day, making it hard for people to get the latest update. With BitTorrent, however, this can be easily avoided.” Oct 30 14:59
schestowitz The MAFIAA is trying to daemonise torrent. it assume it owns all transmitted packets out there, which is vain. Oct 30 14:59
trmanco :| Oct 30 15:00
trmanco more than Microsoft Oct 30 15:00
trmanco Well, at least it is not as bad Oct 30 15:00
schestowitz That’s not the point. Oct 30 15:00
trmanco they support linux right? Oct 30 15:00
schestowitz They use it. Oct 30 15:00
schestowitz They throw in some cash too. Oct 30 15:01
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_Doug Voluptua the goth vampire stripper .. Oct 30 16:03
_Doug http://heresycorner.blogspot.com/… Oct 30 16:03
_Doug :] Oct 30 16:03
schestowitz I heard about it on the radio. Oct 30 16:04
schestowitz Were /you/ the gandfather? Oct 30 16:04
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_Doug gand father ? Oct 30 16:13
_Doug http://www.13shadesofblack.com… Oct 30 16:13
_Doug don’t put your daughter on the stage Mrs. Worthington .. :) Oct 30 16:14
_Doug quote: “never let them fuck you .. you can keep them hanging on for years” Oct 30 16:15
_Doug I’m going back to ‘the Sound of Music’ … :> Oct 30 16:16
schestowitz Live? Oct 30 16:17
_Doug ? Oct 30 16:18
_Doug Voluptia is sure different than .. Oct 30 16:22
_Doug Liesl: Oct 30 16:23
_Doug “Fellows I meet may tell me I’m sweet .. And willingly I believe” Oct 30 16:23
_Doug http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=GUFW7HW8_rQ Oct 30 16:23
schestowitz I found a Larry Goldfarb video this morning. Oct 30 16:24
schestowitz There were two of them actually. Oct 30 16:24
schestowitz In an older one that I mailed GL he talked about Microsoft. Oct 30 16:24
schestowitz In this new one he says nothing about SCO or MS… Oct 30 16:24
schestowitz It’s time to get more proof before SCO goes poof! Oct 30 16:24
schestowitz Microsoft won’t go “poof!” as quickly as SCO, but whatever can be done to show the relation is needed. Oct 30 16:25
MinceR i wonder if MICROS~1 will go “poof!” before novell does Oct 30 16:28
_Doug “SCO submits the declaration of Darl McBride in which Mr. McBride says that Mr. Goldfarb told him IBM was, quote, on him, on him, on him, close quote” Oct 30 16:30
_Doug http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?stor… Oct 30 16:30
schestowitz Yes, I have that one. Oct 30 16:31
schestowitz I put a quote here in fact: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/3… (see top) Oct 30 16:31
_Doug Your honor, I put it to the court that: MS *did* talk to BAystar about ‘investing’ in SCO .. that is the substance of Mr. Schestowitzs’ declaration Oct 30 16:33
_Doug (reading four years of discovery has got me talking like a lawyer) Oct 30 16:34
_Doug Niall: Was Microsoft ever directly involved with the SCO Group in their lawsuit against IBM, either through BayStar Capital or others? Oct 30 16:36
_Doug Bill: I don’t know BayStar. Oct 30 16:36
_Doug Niall: It’s an investment company. One of their executives testified Microsoft invested $50 million to offset SCO’s costs in the lawsuit. Oct 30 16:37
_Doug Bill: When? Oct 30 16:37
_Doug http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/2006/12… Oct 30 16:38
PetoKraus hmm, gnewsense in virtualbox runs smooth Oct 30 16:39
_Doug “Lawrence Goldfarb, managing partner of BayStar, says that senior Oct 30 16:40
_Doug executives at the software giant had telephoned him about two months before Oct 30 16:40
_Doug the investment. Would he be interested in investing in SCO” Oct 30 16:40
_Doug http://www.businessweek.com/technology…/a> Oct 30 16:40
_Doug “A Microsoft spokesman says that the company has no “direct or indirect” financial relations with BayStar, but declined to comment when asked whether execs?called BayStar to suggest investing in SCO. “ Oct 30 16:40
_Doug Who asked about gnewsense ? Oct 30 16:41
PetoKraus no one Oct 30 16:41
PetoKraus i am just saying Oct 30 16:41
PetoKraus it has actually very nice theme Oct 30 16:41
schestowitz _Doug: yeah, the gates/Niall thing was fishy. Oct 30 16:45
_Doug how can bill not know who SCO is and invest $50 million at the same time ?? Oct 30 16:46
schestowitz I asked around at the time, but got no clear answer. Oct 30 16:46
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/… Oct 30 16:46
schestowitz PetoKraus: the wallpaper is simplistic. Oct 30 16:47
PetoKraus yes, but very nice Oct 30 16:47
schestowitz People judge distros just based on theme and wallpaper. Oct 30 16:47
schestowitz It’s mostly the same underneath but integration counts. Oct 30 16:47
schestowitz “Why not Ubuntu?” Oct 30 16:48
PetoKraus well, in case of gnewsense, it’s not the same underneath ;) Oct 30 16:48
schestowitz “Cuz the theme is ugly.” Oct 30 16:48
schestowitz “But… but.. you can change it” Oct 30 16:48
schestowitz “Yeah, but I don’t like the name.” Oct 30 16:48
PetoKraus oh god, it’s NICE Oct 30 16:48
schestowitz etc etc. Oct 30 16:48
_Doug bill buys a ‘license’ from SCO, gives the nod to Goldfarb to ‘invest’ in SCO, Sun also buys a license in SCO .. after making an out of court settlement with MS .. Oct 30 16:48
schestowitz _Doug: these are coincidences. Oct 30 16:49
schestowitz You’re feeling very drowsy. Oct 30 16:49
PetoKraus you won’t believe this Oct 30 16:49
PetoKraus there’s tomboy installed Oct 30 16:50
PetoKraus FFS Oct 30 16:51
_Doug ‘Hey, Steve, why don’t we get together, play golf – pick and date and let’s do it,’” McNealy said Friday. Oct 30 16:51
_Doug http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/5… Oct 30 16:51
_Doug how much did MS invest in SCO to drop the litigation ? Oct 30 16:51
schestowitz I don’t know. Oct 30 16:52
schestowitz What’s the $86 million about? Oct 30 16:52
_Doug MS gives SUN $$$ who gives it to SCO … Oct 30 16:53
schestowitz http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall… “e-mail from consultant Mike Anderer to SCO’s Chris Sontag revealing Microsoft’s channeling of US$ 86 million to SCO.” Oct 30 16:53
_Doug “The email details how, surprise surprise, Microsoft has arranged virtually all of SCO’s financing, hiding behind intermediaries like Baystar Capital” Oct 30 16:56
_Doug http://www.linux.com/feature/34767 Oct 30 16:56
PetoKraus http://pk.gjhak.sk/.storage/gnewsense-mono.png Oct 30 16:56
PetoKraus DOH Oct 30 16:56
_Doug is there cross-channel interference ? Oct 30 16:58
schestowitz No, why? Oct 30 16:58
schestowitz “”By Bruce Perens Oct 30 16:58
schestowitz _Doug: get me more quotes like this one. Oct 30 17:01
schestowitz I use them on Halloween. Oct 30 17:01
_Doug I’ll try my best .. Oct 30 17:03
_Doug why is PatroKraus going on about gnewsense ??? Oct 30 17:03
_Doug two bash screens does for me .. really Oct 30 17:03
schestowitz :- ) Well, gNewSense will get quite good. Oct 30 17:04
schestowitz The kernel developers get their hands on more free drivers and GPu makers surrender too. Oct 30 17:04
_Doug for all but the simplese tasks, the GUI is a right pain to use .. regardless of how many shiny widgets are on screen … Oct 30 17:04
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schestowitz You still need a pointing device. Oct 30 17:05
_Doug a Yahoo developer of my aquiantence uses eamcs on four bash screens .. really .. Oct 30 17:05
*PetoKraus (n=Peter@cpc4-broo2-0-0-cust1012.renf.cable.ntl.com) has joined #boycottnovell Oct 30 17:06
_Doug the pointing device, also overrated .. have to keep taking your hands off the keyboard .. Oct 30 17:06
_Doug gtg .. later .. Oct 30 17:07
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MinceR depends on the pointing device Oct 30 17:08
PetoKraus :) Oct 30 17:09
*trmanco (n=trmanco@bl8-233-87.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #boycottnovell Oct 30 17:38
*_Doug (n=_Doug) has joined #boycottnovell Oct 30 17:50
trmanco Ubuntu 8.10 installed flawlessly Oct 30 17:50
_Doug schest .. check you email :) Oct 30 17:55
schestowitz Done. Replied. Oct 30 18:01
schestowitz You can say this in public. Oct 30 18:01
PetoKraus schestowitz: ? Oct 30 18:03
_Doug schest: leave it for a while .. Oct 30 18:04
_Doug lets help out .. :) Oct 30 18:04
_Doug it would be an interesting project .. Oct 30 18:05
schestowitz Yes Oct 30 18:05
schestowitz I know it’s old news, but I want it documented also in BN. Oct 30 18:05
schestowitz Hey, PetoKraus. What’s up? Oct 30 18:05
PetoKraus <schestowitz> You can say this in public. Oct 30 18:05
schestowitz Wassup? < http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=… > Oct 30 18:06
_Doug I always said I see nothing wrong in being hardball in promoting your business .. Oct 30 18:06
_Doug it’s what everyone would do .. only ms does it better than everyoneelse .. very hardball !!! Oct 30 18:06
schestowitz Corrupt too. Oct 30 18:06
schestowitz There are documented examples. Oct 30 18:07
schestowitz I don’t like the phrase “play hardball” when used to describe even corruption. Oct 30 18:07
_Doug Fat Tony is just growing the business :) Oct 30 18:08
_Doug :) Oct 30 18:08
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