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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: February 4th, 2009 – Part 3

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:17 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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schestowitz Aha! $10-laptop proves to be a damp squib < http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Hyde… > Feb 04 15:01
schestowitz Omar87: this one is  a vote short: http://www.fsdaily.com/Opposition/Quote_of_the_… Feb 04 15:03
trmanco schestowitz, can you help me find that article on net applications biased statics? Feb 04 15:06
trmanco I can’t find it, it was from 2004 IIRC Feb 04 15:06
schestowitz Hmmmmm.. the PR about Brazil’s Linux deal was pulled Feb 04 15:07
schestowitz 2004?? Feb 04 15:07
schestowitz trmanco: what did it say? Feb 04 15:07
schestowitz What I’d love to find out is who they work with, what pays for it, how they make profit from that Feb 04 15:07
twitter good morning. Feb 04 15:07
schestowitz Microsoft had its former employees do baised surveys like that to attack Google Feb 04 15:08
schestowitz BN was cited by ComputerWorld, InformationWeek and more publication for discovering this Feb 04 15:08
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twitter I missed that they called it “Wedgi” but that makes sense.  They consider education and government the thin end of a wedge that drives everyone to buy their crap. Feb 04 15:08
Eruaran hello Feb 04 15:08
trmanco schestowitz, it was a long article that stated that those stats where wrong, sort of a study Feb 04 15:08
twitter cool, it’s about time someone called web stats for what they are. Feb 04 15:09
schestowitz netapplications.com/company.aspx Feb 04 15:09
schestowitz ASPX Feb 04 15:09
schestowitz What kind of company chooses ASP for hosting? Feb 04 15:09
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twitter a partner Feb 04 15:10
schestowitz trmanco: I saw one from Opera Feb 04 15:10
Eruaran you know all these articles that boosters write claiming W7 will kill Linux on netbooks and so on ? Feb 04 15:10
trmanco yes I found that one, but I’m talking about a different one Feb 04 15:10
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amarsh04 thanks for the longsoon link schetowitz Feb 04 15:10
Eruaran as usual the gap between the propaganda and reality is massive Feb 04 15:10
Eruaran get a load of this Feb 04 15:10
schestowitz http://www.hitslink.com/ “- Jupiter Research” They link to Microsoft’s mouthpieces here Feb 04 15:11
trmanco I also found this: http://mostly-linux.blogspot.com/2008/07/… Feb 04 15:11
Eruaran There will be 6 versions of W7 with ‘starter’ most likely to find its way onto netbooks Feb 04 15:11
Eruaran But thats not the punchline Feb 04 15:11
schestowitz Yes Feb 04 15:11
Eruaran the punchline is ‘starter’s limitations Feb 04 15:11
schestowitz They lies about Vista7 Feb 04 15:11
schestowitz It’s just a crap  version Feb 04 15:11
schestowitz They used vapourwaew Feb 04 15:11
Eruaran “Windows 7 Starter (worldwide via OEM only): up to three concurrent applications, ability to join a Home Group, improved taskbar and JumpLists” Feb 04 15:11
schestowitz Ubuntu does more, no? ;-) Feb 04 15:12
schestowitz Heck, Windows Mobile does more :-) Feb 04 15:12
twitter Eruaran, the use of starter for netbooks is pretty much them throwing in the towel on the whole category.  M$ is getting their ass kicked, Feb 04 15:12
schestowitz twitter: it’s too fat Feb 04 15:12
Eruaran The retardation usually doesn’t hit people straight away until you highlight, “up to three concurrent applications”… Feb 04 15:12
Eruaran people are already laughing at that Feb 04 15:13
schestowitz http://partners.netapplications.com/ Feb 04 15:13
twitter I think the retardation will hit them as soon as they turn the thing on. Feb 04 15:13
Eruaran heh Feb 04 15:13
schestowitz http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?u… ” Windows Server 2003Microsoft-IIS/6.0 “ Feb 04 15:13
Eruaran I couldn’t believe it Feb 04 15:13
schestowitz What type of “Web” company chooses MS server? Feb 04 15:13
Eruaran can’t run more than 3 apps at once ? Feb 04 15:13
twitter If the thing works at all, it’s going to be slooooowwwwwww.  After a few hours of web browsing, it will be useless. Feb 04 15:13
Eruaran I mean… the level of stupidity… mind boggling Feb 04 15:13
Eruaran They just GAVE netbooks over to Linux Feb 04 15:14
twitter Windows 7, everyone get out and push.  http://www.austriantimes.at/ind… Feb 04 15:14
Eruaran And… No Aero either… so it will look crap compared to Linux distros Feb 04 15:14
schestowitz “Every time I post NetApplications data on this blog several of you go to great lengths to point out to me that it’s a flawed metric, especially when it comes to the market share for the browser Firefox. For one reason or another, NetApplications is wrong/bias/too US-centric/controlled by Microsoft* (delete as appropriate).” http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=2923 Feb 04 15:15
Eruaran Meanwhile… Over at Aaron Seigo’s house, the P man is running KDE 4.2 at full tild on a classy little BenQ netbook (no, he’s probably not, I just made up that scenario to make a point) Feb 04 15:15
schestowitz He misses the point Feb 04 15:15
schestowitz This has nothing to do with Firefox Feb 04 15:15
schestowitz Populations are not consistent browser- and OS-wise Feb 04 15:16
schestowitz Eruaran: not yet (re: netbooks) Feb 04 15:16
schestowitz Wait until vapourware -> mess Feb 04 15:16
Eruaran Firefox will have 22% of the browserspace soon Feb 04 15:16
schestowitz Vista was the Next Best Thing in early 2006 Feb 04 15:16
Eruaran yes Feb 04 15:17
schestowitz Even in early 2007 before the acrobats started dancing on buioldings that said “wow” Feb 04 15:17
Eruaran oh lol, wasnt that lame Feb 04 15:17
schestowitz Eruaran: Firefox has almost 2/3 in BN Feb 04 15:17
trmanco http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php Feb 04 15:17
trmanco Countries Feb 04 15:17
trmanco 1 United States 26.84% Feb 04 15:17
trmanco 2 Germany 6.16% Feb 04 15:17
trmanco 3 United Kingdom 4.55% Feb 04 15:17
twitter desperate nerd http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new… Feb 04 15:18
Eruaran schestowitz: yes but most of your readers are far too intelligent to be using IE ;) Feb 04 15:18
trmanco Server: Apache/2.2.3 (CentOS) Feb 04 15:18
trmanco X-Powered-By: PHP/5.1.6 Feb 04 15:18
trmanco at least they use a real OS Feb 04 15:18
trmanco and a real http server Feb 04 15:18
Eruaran I can imagine the clips that will hit utube Feb 04 15:19
Eruaran “Hi I’m Linux, and I can run more than 3 apps at once on your netbook. WOW!” Feb 04 15:19
schestowitz http://www.netapplications.com/company.aspx “Mike Sutton, ASP Software Services” Feb 04 15:19
Eruaran And to think the pundits believe Apple wont have anything to bash Microsoft with anymore Feb 04 15:20
Eruaran I can see it now Feb 04 15:20
Eruaran the usual get a mac ad Feb 04 15:20
schestowitz Can you help me get names of people in Net Applications? Feb 04 15:20
schestowitz I need to see if they came from Microsoft Feb 04 15:20
schestowitz Because the anti-Google Microsoft came from a company founder by former Microsoft manager Feb 04 15:21
schestowitz That’s how scummy Microsoft is Feb 04 15:21
schestowitz So this Net App hing can just choose ‘partners’ in a certain population Feb 04 15:21
Eruaran hi Im a mac, and I’m a pc… Mac does a bunch of things at once and invites pc to join in but pc says, “sorry it will have to wait till I’ve finished typing this document… I’m running on a netbook and I can only run 3 applications at once” Feb 04 15:21
Eruaran Apple will have a field day with that sort of thing Feb 04 15:22
schestowitz http://www.netapplications.com/newsletter… “as much of our staff couldn’t get the” Feb 04 15:22
schestowitz How can I find out who runs them? Feb 04 15:22
schestowitz Vincent Vizzaccaro Feb 04 15:23
Eruaran follow the sweaty armpits Feb 04 15:23
schestowitz Oh!!!! Feb 04 15:23
schestowitz haha! Feb 04 15:23
schestowitz http://www.linkedin.com/in/vizzav “Our Partners/Clients include Microsoft, Apple, Amazon/Alexa, Opera and ExactTarget. “ Feb 04 15:23
schestowitz Clients: Apple,  Microsoft. Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz I.e. Microsoft and Apple pay Net Application Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz *s Feb 04 15:24
Eruaran see… sweaty armpits Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz Domain name: netapplications.com Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz Administrative Contact: Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz    Net-Applications.com Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz    Phil Vizzaccaro (phil@netapplications.com) Feb 04 15:24
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schestowitz    Fax: Feb 04 15:24
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schestowitz    Aliso Viejo, CA 92656 Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz    US Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz Technical Contact: Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz    Net-Applications.com Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz    Phil Vizzaccaro (phil@netapplications.com) Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz    +1.9493307910 Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz    Fax: Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz    65 Enterprise Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz    Aliso Viejo, CA 92656 Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz    US Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz Registrant Contact: Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz    Net-Applications.com Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz    Phil Vizzaccaro () Feb 04 15:24
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schestowitz    Fax: Feb 04 15:24
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schestowitz Name Servers: Feb 04 15:24
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schestowitz    Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz Creation date: 30 Aug 2001 18:12:00 Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz Expiration date: 30 Aug 2013 18:12:00 Feb 04 15:24
schestowitz http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozcl… Feb 04 15:27
trmanco http://identi.ca/notice/2130832 Feb 04 15:43
trmanco :D Feb 04 15:43
trmanco in English http://identi.ca/notice/2130953 Feb 04 15:45
schestowitz http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft_and… Feb 04 15:48
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trmanco dugg Feb 04 15:55
schestowitz Big Lies, sponsored by… Feb 04 15:56
zer0c00l what lies schestowitz Feb 04 15:57
zer0c00l schestowitz:in my blog i am going to write about EDGI/Dreamspark  as next post.. Feb 04 15:58
zer0c00l is it that lie  “Linux under 1%,” says company with Apple/Microsoft money on its table” Feb 04 16:00
zer0c00l whats the real figures ? Feb 04 16:01
schestowitz Cool. We’ve just gotten another Wiki volunteer Feb 04 16:04
schestowitz What we do at the moment is add more exhibits to the ‘sandbox’ where we organise all the exhibits. Feb 04 16:05
schestowitz zer0c00l: hey Feb 04 16:05
zer0c00l yeah Feb 04 16:05
schestowitz zer0c00l: yes, please spread the words about them Feb 04 16:05
zer0c00l sure schestowitz Feb 04 16:05
schestowitz zer0c00l: estimates of real use vary from 4% to much higher Feb 04 16:05
schestowitz Some say 6% Feb 04 16:05
schestowitz But nobody knows for sure Feb 04 16:05
schestowitz Many sites I knew get 33% Linux users Feb 04 16:06
zer0c00l oh Feb 04 16:06
schestowitz But they are not counted in surveys Feb 04 16:06
schestowitz The world used to be called “flat” or “disc” Feb 04 16:06
schestowitz re: Wiki; One area where you can help us is extraction of text from the exhibits (we have just snippets) and summaries of the findings. The intention is to publish them eventually (with attributions). Feb 04 16:06
schestowitz We have some more about EDGI and the like Feb 04 16:06
schestowitz The bottleneck is help from people. Feb 04 16:06
zer0c00l wiki.boycottnovell.com ? Feb 04 16:07
zer0c00l ok Feb 04 16:07
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wiki Feb 04 16:07
schestowitz I wanted to make it a subsite, but it kiinda blew up Feb 04 16:08
zer0c00l ok Feb 04 16:08
zer0c00l i will try to collect info from that wiki and make it as an article and will  send it to you Feb 04 16:09
zer0c00l which id should i send those mails? Feb 04 16:09
schestowitz r at schestowitz.com Feb 04 16:10
schestowitz You could also edit the Wiki by extending it Feb 04 16:10
schestowitz But it works well either way Feb 04 16:10
zer0c00l ok Feb 04 16:10
zer0c00l sure Feb 04 16:10
zer0c00l i have lot of time these days(colleges has been closed due to some political problems) Feb 04 16:11
schestowitz Economy related? Feb 04 16:12
zer0c00l no political LTTE and srilanka Feb 04 16:12
zer0c00l all colleges throughout tamilnadu closed Feb 04 16:13
zer0c00l :D Feb 04 16:13
zer0c00l fearing that students will start protests Feb 04 16:13
zer0c00l will be back schestowitz now leaving Feb 04 16:14
schestowitz zer0c00l: see http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/… Feb 04 16:15
schestowitz The ones at the top… Feb 04 16:15
schestowitz 9 of them at the top (PDFs) we need the text of Feb 04 16:15
schestowitz Like this one: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content… Feb 04 16:16
zer0c00l ok Feb 04 16:16
schestowitz It has some OCR done… just need cleaning up the typos Feb 04 16:16
schestowitz If you can get the text from it (copy, paste, clean up), that would be fantastic Feb 04 16:16
zer0c00l sure schestowitz Feb 04 16:17
schestowitz Thank you! Feb 04 16:17
zer0c00l now leaving for dinner will be back Feb 04 16:17
twitter ha ha, http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/10/… Feb 04 16:20
schestowitz BBC video on demand plan canned < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/812/105… >. So that’s why Shill Highfield had jumped ship and ran to his masters at MS UK. Feb 04 16:23
schestowitz Distressed German chip maker says to shut US plant < http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-techn… > Feb 04 16:23
twitter TW loses 16B in quarter http://www.marketwatch.com/news/s… Feb 04 16:27
schestowitz Seems like we’ll make another Digg FP shortly. Feb 04 16:27
schestowitz twitter: GOOD. Let TW die Feb 04 16:28
schestowitz They are responsible for a lot of imposed ignorance in the world’s population, not just the US Feb 04 16:28
schestowitz TW loss is another persons’ (or millions of persons) gain. Feb 04 16:29
twitter poison still profitable, http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p… Feb 04 16:29
schestowitz TW=centre of power, control of information, controlling perceptions and feelings. Feb 04 16:29
Eruaran My ISP uses Linux Feb 04 16:30
Eruaran Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) mod_ldap_userdir/1.1.11 PHP/4.4.4-8+etch6 Server at users.ncable.net.au Port 80 Feb 04 16:30
PetoKraus TW? Feb 04 16:32
PetoKraus Taiwan? Feb 04 16:32
twitter Time Warner. Feb 04 16:32
twitter see link above to big losses Feb 04 16:33
twitter You know, that big old publisher that destroyed AOL, and crapped out networks for M$. Feb 04 16:33
PetoKraus yeah Feb 04 16:33
schestowitz TW is a dinosaur, literally. Too big and clumsy, too old. Feb 04 16:36
twitter Big publishers are like the dinosaurs just after the big meteor hit. Feb 04 16:36
schestowitz Maybe they’ll ask for bailout (public looting), so watch out and protest/inform. Feb 04 16:37
twitter It’s a little cold for their comfort and there’s not a lot of fresh meat running around. Feb 04 16:37
twitter Something keeps eating their eggs too Feb 04 16:38
schestowitz Netbook demand surge to slow next year < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/02/04/disp… >< Feb 04 16:38
twitter sure, no one wants a netbook with Winblows on it. Feb 04 16:38
schestowitz Cool. SJVN has just linked to BN: http://practical-tech.com/operating-system… Feb 04 16:39
schestowitz Gah! He’s linking to MS&Apple-sponsored Net Applications Feb 04 16:40
schestowitz He doesn’t realise that these numbers are false. Feb 04 16:40
schestowitz And he has been buying their lies :-) Feb 04 16:40
twitter Acer overtaking Asus in netbooks should be good news.  Acer supposedly “bet big” on GNU/Linux. Feb 04 16:41
twitter It would be better if Asus got their game back with free software. Feb 04 16:42
schestowitz I’ll write to him about it.. (Net Applications) Feb 04 16:46
schestowitz “Thank you for the links. People from Novell try to restrain those who link to BN. As a side note, I noticed that you reference Net Applications. They are funded by Apple and Microsoft. It’s a big lie that glorifies Apple and Microsoft.” Feb 04 16:46
MinceR when will acer use ssd-s in them? Feb 04 16:47
schestowitz Acer and Linux are a good pair compared to _most_ Feb 04 16:47
schestowitz They are not perfect, but they publicly slammed Vista on behalf of all OEMs Feb 04 16:47
schestowitz Happy anniversary: http://www.wired.com/science/disc… Feb 04 16:48
schestowitz I added a comment in Digg. Bill Gates invests in Nigerian oil that kills children. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttq0IdULfjg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVlnqnMHQ1c Feb 04 16:50
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twitter I wonder why DisplayBank decided to cap netbooks to 20% of desktop sales like that.  It seems arbitrary and so much can change so quickly. Feb 04 16:52
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Eruaran Acers words have not translated into action that I have seen. Feb 04 16:55
schestowitz Heavy snow down south….. http://www.theopensourcerer.com/200… Feb 04 16:55
schestowitz http://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_tech/~3/… Now they’ll just move into another site or go to parks. Problems are never resolved in this way. Feb 04 16:57
schestowitz It’s a bit like Cragslist kicking out prostitution, only to see it ending up in another site. Feb 04 16:57
schestowitz Wow. Panasonic Will Cut 15,000 Jobs as It Forecasts $4.3B Loss < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158902/panasonic_w… > Feb 04 16:59
schestowitz 15k Feb 04 16:59
schestowitz Cool. Feb 04 17:01
schestowitz There will soon be an article about Apple and MS sponsoring Net Applications. Thanks to BN! ;-) Feb 04 17:01
schestowitz Oops. The “cool” about refers not to the layoffs but to the Net Applications thing (it might look ambiguous in the IRC logs) Feb 04 17:02
twitter So much for the damage control articles on DOJ being “unsure” about further anti-trust oversight.  http://www.itworld.com/windows/61942/vista-m… Feb 04 17:05
twitter Vendors and customers are still complaining about M$ business practices. Feb 04 17:05
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twitter The purpose of the review is to decide, so they can’t be “sure” by definition, but looking at the evidence it would be hard to think they will let M$ off. Feb 04 17:07
schestowitz BN starts spewing error pages again. Feb 04 17:09
schestowitz Windows 7 auto-elevation mistake lets malware elevate freely, easily < http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/02/04/wind… > Feb 04 17:09
schestowitz Add to failurelog? Feb 04 17:09
twitter probably.  that’s a big one. Feb 04 17:09
twitter you linked to that lately? Feb 04 17:10
schestowitz Not yet Feb 04 17:10
schestowitz Something rewlated Feb 04 17:10
schestowitz Microsoft denied it Feb 04 17:10
schestowitz http://www.pcworld.com/article/158871/… “It’s a fair guess to say that the Sakshat, if it’s for real, will use a barebones version of Linux open source software as its operating system.” Well, it’s just storage as it turns out Feb 04 17:12
schestowitz Microsoft: All Windows 7 Editions to Run on Netbooks:  http://www.pcworld.com/article/158865/micros… Feb 04 17:12
schestowitz Question: at what cost? Feb 04 17:12
twitter there was a UAC malware friendly issue.  Like it let malware in then defended it. Feb 04 17:12
twitter oh yes, this was it. Feb 04 17:13
schestowitz Sub-nootebooks + top-up of $200? What about performance? This has vapourware written all over it Feb 04 17:13
schestowitz Wait until it turns out you need dual-core atom to just get the thing going /properly/ and _even then_ it’s a battery hog Feb 04 17:13
schestowitz Smells like UMPC (remember Origami?) Feb 04 17:14
schestowitz Vistagami was rumoured… dead before arrival. Feb 04 17:14
twitter I see, M$ says you CAN run Vista 7 on netbooks but won’t let them be sold with anything but a crippled “starter” edition. Feb 04 17:14
schestowitz Yes Feb 04 17:14
schestowitz Sell cheap Feb 04 17:14
schestowitz Like free puppy Feb 04 17:14
schestowitz Windows = trialwareversion Feb 04 17:14
schestowitz Oh cool! Feb 04 17:15
schestowitz Antoher front page for BN Feb 04 17:15
schestowitz And FP in Digg coming. Feb 04 17:15
schestowitz Better prepate, somehow.. Feb 04 17:16
twitter Windows 7 failure and hype logs updated.  http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jo… http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/216759 Feb 04 17:24
Eruaran too fat to run more than 3 apps at once Feb 04 17:26
schestowitz Average user doesn’t multitask Feb 04 17:26
schestowitz BUT.. Feb 04 17:26
twitter cool searching google for vista failure log returns the vista failure log.  http://www.google.com/search?q=vista+f… Feb 04 17:27
schestowitz Average user does not need more than GNU/Linux with Firefox and maybe Skype Feb 04 17:27
Eruaran Perhaps I should dust off the old Amiga and send it to SweatyB with a note attached saying, “multitasks better than Windows 7″ Feb 04 17:27
twitter every user wants a photo editor Feb 04 17:27
schestowitz Hehe. “Andre Da Costa” Feb 04 17:27
twitter seen him before? Feb 04 17:28
twitter Here’s the vista 7 dream scenario.  Jane is on the run, trying to land a customer or two.  She’s got company notes to read and edit with her browser.  email to read and write, perhaps a quote for the customers.  That’s three applications.  IM, Skype and other communications tools are out of the picture. Feb 04 17:30
twitter She’s on her own, except for her cell phone and email. Feb 04 17:31
twitter crippled.  As soon as she reaches for just one more tool, her netbook asks which critical function she’d like to terminate and resume later. Feb 04 17:31
twitter an ALL CAPS EMAIL soon finds it’s way to the IT department. Feb 04 17:32
twitter What’s unrealistic about this scenario? That Windows 7 could do it all even if there were no restrictions. Feb 04 17:33
schestowitz twitter: we wrote about him in BN Feb 04 17:33
twitter Will have to look for that. Feb 04 17:33
schestowitz I thought you’d read: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/01/a… Feb 04 17:33
schestowitz Doesn’t AV softwarer count as an app Feb 04 17:34
schestowitz Great. Feb 04 17:34
schestowitz Artificial limitations Feb 04 17:34
schestowitz Like DRM, but applies to kernel, not data Feb 04 17:34
twitter recent, wow. Feb 04 17:35
Eruaran Watch app limitations get dropped as soon as the bad publicity starts to bite Feb 04 17:35
twitter I read that AV would not count but you can’t trust everything you read. Feb 04 17:35
schestowitz “Jane, I’m sorry, I can’t talk on Skype now… I need to write some text and I reached MAX_APPS. Will call you back in a minute” Feb 04 17:35
schestowitz *hangs up* Feb 04 17:36
schestowitz Yes, we definitely have a Digg FP coming. I need to set up Coral soon, also for the pages in proximity Feb 04 17:37
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schestowitz Oh wait… Feb 04 17:40
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schestowitz Does Squid require installing binaries on the server? Feb 04 17:40
schestowitz I can’t install binaries… just PHP scripts and Perl. Feb 04 17:40
schestowitz So we can’t do caching properly Feb 04 17:40
schestowitz http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Squi… Feb 04 17:41
twitter Wow.  That Andre guy is sad. Lost puppy but probably made more money than I did last year. Feb 04 17:41
twitter source code to the rescue.  good luck! Feb 04 17:42
schestowitz http://plone.org/documentation/how-t… Feb 04 17:42
twitter bbl Feb 04 17:42
schestowitz twitter: no, I can’t install these Feb 04 17:42
schestowitz I’ll need to use Coral again Feb 04 17:42
schestowitz Rights Activist Tells of Detention In Russian Psychiatric Institutions http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/… Feb 04 17:45
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schestowitz I’ve noticed the theme of the “1% market share” repeated in many places and also rebutted by readers, so this might be of use because it’s factual ( twitter, spread the word please because this is very important if we can render then BUNK): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/04… Feb 04 17:52
schestowitz *them, not then Feb 04 17:53
schestowitz Subject: The “killer” mentality  < http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor… > Feb 04 17:58
schestowitz “All the wingnut pundits that say X will be the Y killer are really starting to bore me. What is with this flawed mentality that “there can only be one”? What is with this desire to trade one monopoly for another?” Feb 04 17:59
schestowitz “ø per second: 84.85; avg load 3.53 (4 cpus)” I bet it goes titsup if we make another FP. Shane has just said that the host will consider moving us to a stronger server/VPS Feb 04 18:06
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schestowitz 11 reasons to switch to Linux < http://www.geekzone.co.nz/foobar/6201 > Feb 04 18:20
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PetoKraus right so Feb 04 18:37
PetoKraus i’m thinking – the VMware virtualization open-source effort Feb 04 18:37
PetoKraus does it mean I can run VM’s using VMware now? Feb 04 18:38
PetoKraus in open-source ofc Feb 04 18:38
schestowitz VMware ->MS Feb 04 18:43
schestowitz They need to pretend Feb 04 18:43
schestowitz Today: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-101555… http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/8… Feb 04 18:43
schestowitz Yes, that’s correct. VMware’s ‘parent’ company is swapping budgets with Microsoft now. Ho hum……. Feb 04 18:44
PetoKraus i’m thinking of getting a plant Feb 04 18:46
PetoKraus what should i get? :) Feb 04 18:46
schestowitz Breast Feb 04 18:46
schestowitz By the way, notice which sources are typically drawing the crowds to Net Applications. Repetition makes ‘truth’. You know, like Rob Enderle citing Dan Lyons and vice versa. Feb 04 18:46
PetoKraus schestowitz: plant, not implant Feb 04 18:47
PetoKraus hah Feb 04 18:48
PetoKraus i wonder why doesn’t wikipedia article get censored Feb 04 18:48
PetoKraus on breast, that is Feb 04 18:48
PetoKraus (NSFW: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c…) Feb 04 18:48
PetoKraus they could’ve used male breast… Feb 04 18:48
PetoKraus they obviously DON’T THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!! Feb 04 18:48
schestowitz THat’s not a sexy picture Feb 04 18:53
schestowitz This one is better: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia… (NSFW) Feb 04 18:54
PetoKraus :) Feb 04 18:56
schestowitz Great Seinfeld Moment – The good naked, the bad naked < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk3f7nkjEFw > Feb 04 18:57
schestowitz Good news, bad new. The site is getting so much traffic that we must upgrade to a stronger server. We do about 10 million hits per month at this pace. :-) Feb 04 19:02
schestowitz There are signs of us making a difference. I also gave an interview (short) to a magazine a while ago. Feb 04 19:02
schestowitz http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.ph… “In his bio, he states that his qualifications are those of a “business journalist for nearly 25 years”, but nowhere in his short bio summary does he give any indication that he is qualified in any way to speak on either open source or security. I think that is all I need to say on the matter.” Feb 04 19:45
schestowitz Re: Dana Blankenhorne and his article < http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?l… > Feb 04 19:47
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schestowitz Motorola is such a mess… http://www.linuxdevices.com/news… ..at least it’s throwing Microsoft aside and keeping with Linux. Feb 04 20:02
twitter female_breast.  Nice breast, bad software, “Adobe Photoshop CS Windows” Feb 04 20:11
schestowitz This is weird. Why does IDG contact me and many others for no reason? Feb 04 20:11
schestowitz It’s almost like bulk mail. Feb 04 20:12
schestowitz “CIO.com has done well before with “battling” articles that take opposite sides of the same technology, such as 5 compelling reasons to use MySQL (www.cio.com/article/113110) and 8 reasons not to (www.cio.com/article/113111). I’m aiming to do that again with a topic that’s near and dear to everyone’s heart here: e-mail. In particular, Microsoft Outlook. Feb 04 20:12
schestowitz Feb 04 20:12
schestowitz “I asked one author to write a “reasons to use Outlook” article, and another to write about why Outlook should die die die. Dee-Ann handed in her article for the latter, but it needs more examples of Outlook’s technical weaknesses. (Instead of saying “Die die die” I think she wrote, “Outlook should stub its toe.”” Feb 04 20:12
PetoKraus hm Feb 04 20:12
PetoKraus who is dana blankenhorne Feb 04 20:12
PetoKraus for goodness sake Feb 04 20:13
schestowitz I’ll reply anyway Feb 04 20:13
schestowitz Dana =Windows user Feb 04 20:13
PetoKraus i could bloody employ myself as a journo Feb 04 20:13
schestowitz Writes about FOSS, which he doesn’t even use Feb 04 20:13
schestowitz PetoKraus: why journo? Feb 04 20:13
schestowitz Make a company Feb 04 20:13
schestowitz Call yourself CEO Feb 04 20:13
schestowitz And founder Feb 04 20:13
PetoKraus nah Feb 04 20:13
schestowitz Like Enderle does Feb 04 20:13
twitter The biggest reason to avoid Outlook is because it makes an insecure platform even worse. Feb 04 20:13
schestowitz Even CEO Feb 04 20:13
schestowitz Put up something that says “Analyst” (self appointed) Feb 04 20:14
PetoKraus yeah Feb 04 20:14
schestowitz Cookie guru.. Feb 04 20:14
PetoKraus i’m quite disappointed Feb 04 20:14
PetoKraus i had this talk with my friend yesterday Feb 04 20:14
PetoKraus whether it’s possible to change the world Feb 04 20:14
PetoKraus and what’s the best way to do so Feb 04 20:14
twitter Both Kontact and Evolution has everything Outlook has but they don’t tie you to an OS and they don’t get drive by exploited like Outlook does. Feb 04 20:15
schestowitz OK, I replies. Feb 04 20:15
twitter The world is always changing. Feb 04 20:15
schestowitz I think an article ought to be written about Exchange too. I accumulated many references about its harms here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/10/microsoft-doomed-… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/01/exc… Feb 04 20:15
PetoKraus twitter: that’s not what I mean Feb 04 20:15
twitter The trick is to get it to change for the better. Feb 04 20:16
schestowitz Obama Feb 04 20:16
schestowitz That’s change Feb 04 20:16
PetoKraus you know, it’s obvious that the only thing politicians fear are scientists Feb 04 20:16
schestowitz There used to be Bush Feb 04 20:16
schestowitz Now there is Obama Feb 04 20:16
schestowitz Both words still have a “B” in them. Feb 04 20:16
PetoKraus though there’s the problem of… who listens to scientists anyway Feb 04 20:16
schestowitz So it’s not a total change Feb 04 20:16
schestowitz The world changes all the time. It also has thinner ozone layer. :-) But don’t tell this to politicians.. they are too busy rewarding oil companies that funded their campaign :-) Feb 04 20:18
twitter Every little trick I figure out makes my world that little bit better.  Sharing that trick makes a few other people’s world better. Feb 04 20:19
schestowitz Compiz Fusion To Be Dropped, Other Changes Planned < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.p… > Feb 04 20:20
schestowitz Sharing = less waste Feb 04 20:20
schestowitz Why have 3 companies run separate datacentres that melt glaciers? Feb 04 20:20
schestowitz “Competition” is the answer, BUT at what cost? Feb 04 20:20
schestowitz Look at Compiz Feb 04 20:21
schestowitz They share codebase now. They converge! Feb 04 20:21
schestowitz Why can’t industry increase efforts of convergence for better survival of the human species? That just isn’t taken into account in the current gameplay.  Things like pollution and consumption are hardly a factor in business management Feb 04 20:22
PetoKraus hmm i don’t like evolution Feb 04 20:23
PetoKraus it doesn’t suit my needs Feb 04 20:23
PetoKraus sunbird is slightly better calendar Feb 04 20:23
twitter yes, I like Kontact for what I do. Feb 04 20:24
twitter It used to sync well with my Palm Feb 04 20:24
twitter Here’s a funny W32 mess http://it.slashdot.org/it/09/02/04/183237.shtml Feb 04 20:24
PetoKraus i just don’t like the theming support of Sunbird Feb 04 20:24
PetoKraus it is hideous Feb 04 20:24
twitter the ticket issue above is a good reason government should never demand non free software on user machines. Feb 04 20:25
schestowitz PetoKraus: Kontact is decent Feb 04 20:26
schestowitz It could also import my Palm DBs Feb 04 20:27
PetoKraus i’m gonna take a look Feb 04 20:27
schestowitz It does ical Feb 04 20:27
schestowitz On my Web site I also have a calendar Feb 04 20:27
schestowitz I put my Palm DB in Kontact,, exported, then put it on the site which is a displayer Feb 04 20:27
schestowitz PetoKraus: put it on your site, with or without password Feb 04 20:28
schestowitz http://www.php-calendar.com/wiki/in… Feb 04 20:28
schestowitz It’s not that, wait…. Feb 04 20:28
PetoKraus i don’t need calendar Feb 04 20:28
PetoKraus on the web Feb 04 20:28
schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/Datebook/calendar/ Feb 04 20:28
PetoKraus i want a nice calendar on my pc Feb 04 20:28
PetoKraus pwd? :) Feb 04 20:28
schestowitz It’s this: http://phpicalendar.net/ Feb 04 20:29
schestowitz PetoKraus: of course Feb 04 20:29
schestowitz PetoKraus: it’s private Feb 04 20:29
schestowitz It looks very nifty though Feb 04 20:29
PetoKraus gah i need so much deps for kdepim Feb 04 20:29
PetoKraus many* Feb 04 20:29
PetoKraus if it’s not gonna be themed properly, i’m gonna slap them Feb 04 20:30
schestowitz It looks nice Feb 04 20:30
schestowitz No DB either Feb 04 20:30
schestowitz You just slap the file there Feb 04 20:30
schestowitz But it’s a viewer only Feb 04 20:30
schestowitz So.. Feb 04 20:30
schestowitz You could edit in Kontact Feb 04 20:30
schestowitz Then save in ~/public_html/whatever Feb 04 20:30
schestowitz And you can view the book from anywhere with a Web connection Feb 04 20:31
PetoKraus i need to have whole fkn kdebase for kdepim Feb 04 20:32
PetoKraus WTF Feb 04 20:32
PetoKraus right, it’s going off my box Feb 04 20:32
PetoKraus and of course, it looks pish Feb 04 20:33
PetoKraus does not track my qt4 settings Feb 04 20:33
trmanco http://www.tuxradar.com/node/33 Feb 04 20:36
schestowitz Ahhhh Feb 04 20:38
schestowitz I’m so tied of seeing articles that talk about Net Application as though it’s written in stone Feb 04 20:38
schestowitz yeah, yeah……… 7% of the world uses Safari….. sure! Feb 04 20:38
schestowitz Sponsored by Apple Feb 04 20:39
schestowitz What services does Apple pay them for? Feb 04 20:39
schestowitz Consulting? Feb 04 20:39
schestowitz Does Apple pay them to use IIS 6.0? Feb 04 20:39
schestowitz Or to say that Apple has market share of 10%? Feb 04 20:39
trmanco oh Feb 04 20:39
schestowitz I bet they include big Apple and MS sites in the stats Feb 04 20:39
trmanco .NET NET% crap Feb 04 20:39
schestowitz Mind you, APPLE IS HARDLY USED OUside THE US Feb 04 20:40
trmanco is netaplications some kind of a standard? Feb 04 20:40
schestowitz US, Japan, parts of EU. That’s it. Feb 04 20:40
trmanco Google has good stats Feb 04 20:40
schestowitz None in Russia, Milddle east, south America, Africa. Feb 04 20:40
schestowitz AND THESE are the markets where Linux is big. Net Application is just US almost.,.. and that’s where Linux adoption is worse.. next to China/Korea I bet Feb 04 20:41
trmanco Yahoo, and some other top notch sites like Youtube (maybe) Feb 04 20:41
schestowitz trmanco: Google has Google users sgtats Feb 04 20:41
schestowitz They are a little smarter Feb 04 20:41
trmanco sgtats? Feb 04 20:41
schestowitz Also, Google doesn’t get correct headers Feb 04 20:41
schestowitz Lots of Squid, forging, zombies, etc Feb 04 20:41
trmanco I’m talking about analytics Feb 04 20:42
schestowitz You can’t jusge by one site Feb 04 20:42
schestowitz No matter the size of the population Feb 04 20:42
schestowitz Because site=population for that one site Feb 04 20:42
schestowitz Like BN… with 30%-40% Linux users Feb 04 20:42
schestowitz Or Alexa rank…… that’s bollox… Windows+IE Feb 04 20:42
trmanco I used to use alexa Feb 04 20:42
schestowitz So sites without Windows/IE get bad Alexa ranksd Feb 04 20:43
schestowitz Use Netcraft Feb 04 20:43
schestowitz We’re 2400th Feb 04 20:43
trmanco or at least “believe” in it Feb 04 20:43
trmanco schestowitz, I can confirm that -> So sites without Windows/IE get bad Alexa ranksd Feb 04 20:43
trmanco and when I said Google had good stats, I was talking about analytics, google.com should also have some interesting numbers IMO Feb 04 20:44
schestowitz The big lies have been spread Feb 04 20:45
schestowitz Even when Net Application is shown to be a fraud pretty much, damage was done. Feb 04 20:45
schestowitz trmanco: yes, Alexa=number of stupid visitors (Windows PLUS Internet Explorer) Feb 04 20:46
trmanco yes yes Feb 04 20:46
trmanco I can deeply confirm that Feb 04 20:46
schestowitz PLUS spyware Feb 04 20:46
trmanco my highest rank was 325 000, and by that time I had 100 visits 80% windows Feb 04 20:47
trmanco now I have 969,100 and I get about 300 visits per day (uniques, bots don’t count) being about 50% linux Feb 04 20:48
trmanco maybe more Feb 04 20:48
trmanco I hit the 800 unique visitor mark with the launch of Ubuntu 8.10 :-P Feb 04 20:49
trmanco REactOS 0.3.8: http://www.reactos.org/en/news_page_49.html Feb 04 20:50
schestowitz schestowitz.com was 17000th at one stage Feb 04 20:52
PetoKraus right: Feb 04 20:53
PetoKraus Dana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for 30 years, a tech freelancer since 1983. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations. Feb 04 20:53
PetoKraus Dana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist for nearly 25 years and has covered the online world professionally since 1985. Feb 04 20:54
PetoKraus that’s a nice one. Feb 04 20:54
*trmanco brb Feb 04 20:54
schestowitz Journalists today are like artists when the photographs were ‘invested’ Feb 04 20:55
schestowitz *vented’ Feb 04 20:55
PetoKraus right Feb 04 21:01
PetoKraus there we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_… Feb 04 21:01
schestowitz *LOL* Wikipedia? Feb 04 21:04
schestowitz He’s a celeb now? Feb 04 21:04
PetoKraus yeah Feb 04 21:05
schestowitz He got Wiked [sic] Feb 04 21:06
PetoKraus yeah Feb 04 21:06
PetoKraus :) Feb 04 21:06
trmanco back Feb 04 21:17
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schestowitz IDG is laying off writers Feb 04 21:50
schestowitz I’ve just received mail from someone Feb 04 21:50
schestowitz It fires EDITORs too Feb 04 21:50
schestowitz Actually, the editor who told me this wrote OS/2 at IBM… a long, long time ago. I intend to make many posts about what happened there. We got hundreds of court exhibits from Comes vs Microsoft. We will texify them and explain how they are connected. Feb 04 21:57
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schestowitz Why is this IBM employee still peddling Microsoft into the EEE?? http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresource/ar… Feb 04 22:18
schestowitz Made another FP just now Feb 04 22:26
schestowitz British opposition calls for open source < http://www.itexaminer.com/british-o… >. Maybe just a stunt, but who knows? Feb 04 22:32
schestowitz Hmmmmm. Feb 04 22:48
schestowitz Another IDG writer was fired Feb 04 22:48
schestowitz The E-mails just keep coming.. Feb 04 22:48
schestowitz “Thanks Roy, this is very much appreciated.  FWIW [xxxxxxxxx] knows I was laid off in early January as well. It’s starting to feel like a global game of dominos, though with a lot more blood.” Feb 04 22:48
schestowitz IBM seems to be moving close to Linux now. IBM could also vend with other companies’ s/w (e.g. Apple). It would be wise to work collaboratively with peers though (LF). Feb 04 22:49
schestowitz BN gets unstable again… Feb 04 22:55
twitter fun stuff http://www.aenigmafonts.com/fonts/fonts.html whole package in debian is ttf-aenigma Feb 04 22:59
twitter also fun, a browser that does apt:/show?ttf-aenigma Feb 04 22:59
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balzac man, I’m getting pissed at Microsoft today. Stupid IE6. Feb 04 23:11
balzac damn I hate that browser. Feb 04 23:11
schestowitz Why do you use it? It install s/w Feb 04 23:12
schestowitz *talls Feb 04 23:12
balzac I have to check my websites against MS browsers or I can’t pay my rent Feb 04 23:12
balzac So I’ve got pirated copies of XP running on virtualbox running IE6, IE7, IE8 Feb 04 23:13
balzac of course I would never use Windows as my operating system, only for browser testing. That’s the one thing I can’t escape yet. Feb 04 23:13
schestowitz Use browsershots Feb 04 23:13
schestowitz I was using some public clusters for IE6 testing back in 2005 Feb 04 23:14
schestowitz But that’s not needed anymore. Also, you could install IE in GNU/Linux. Feb 04 23:14
balzac not “pirated” but in violation of the copyright and EULA, which is fine with me. Feb 04 23:15
PetoKraus awright guys Feb 04 23:15
PetoKraus good night Feb 04 23:15
schestowitz gn Feb 04 23:15
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balzac Those services can’t be trusted Feb 04 23:16
schestowitz balzac: the company that makes it commits far worse crimes Feb 04 23:16
balzac I found my website was a mess in some version of IE, even after I thought I had confirmed via screen-shots Feb 04 23:16
balzac IE on wine doesn’t work the same, plus it’s ie6 only Feb 04 23:17
balzac I’ve got three windows installations running on virtualbox which have no other purpose than browser testing. Feb 04 23:17
schestowitz I saw an article on Wine with IE7 some hours ago Feb 04 23:18
balzac I’m ok with it until I earn enough to hire another web designer to handle CSS for me. Feb 04 23:18
schestowitz Here: http://www.wine-reviews.net/wine-reviews/app… Feb 04 23:18
balzac well, things like the png-fix don’t work on IE on wine Feb 04 23:18
schestowitz Billy went far to ensure you must use ‘his’ wares Feb 04 23:19
balzac It’s not on my computer anyway, it’s on my client’s computer… Feb 04 23:19
schestowitz “In one piece of mail people were suggesting that Office had to work equally well with all browsers and that we shouldn’t force Office users to use our browser. This Is wrong and I wanted to correct this.” Bill Gates Feb 04 23:19
schestowitz “Another suggestion In this mail was that we can’t make our own unilateral extensions to HTML I was going to say this was wrong and correct this also.” –Bill Gates Feb 04 23:19
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balzac well, it’s only for the browsers. Feb 04 23:19
balzac Anyway, I’ve got to make my websites look good in IE. Feb 04 23:20
schestowitz BillG loves the Internet so much (“we’re not interested in it”, 1993) that he wanted to give something back and ‘extended’ it Feb 04 23:20
schestowitz For you :-) Feb 04 23:20
balzac but I feel the rage as the Gauls beating on the gates of Rome Feb 04 23:20
balzac let’s finish Microsoft off! Feb 04 23:21
schestowitz Heh. Feb 04 23:21
balzac Roy, you’re doing a fine job, my good man. Feb 04 23:22
schestowitz I’ll knock on their door while I still can. Feb 04 23:23
balzac I bet the Microsofties are in a rage over your blog. Feb 04 23:23
schestowitz We’re last ones standing, almost… Feb 04 23:23
schestowitz I got some mails earlier… journos that cover Linux are among those laid off this weel Feb 04 23:24
MinceR gn Feb 04 23:24
schestowitz *week. Same for other areas though Feb 04 23:24
schestowitz gn, MinceR Feb 04 23:24
balzac I’m hoping the guy who writes on IT matters for PBS is right Feb 04 23:24
balzac who is that guy again? Feb 04 23:25
balzac he said M$ ought to lay off 50,000 Feb 04 23:25
schestowitz Cringely Feb 04 23:25
balzac right Feb 04 23:25
schestowitz Pseudonym Feb 04 23:25
schestowitz Mark Feb 04 23:25
schestowitz He mailed me backl Feb 04 23:25
schestowitz Someone told me last week that he went broke or out of biz or something. Feb 04 23:25
balzac he must have gotten some traffic Feb 04 23:25
balzac What did he say? Feb 04 23:26
schestowitz Susan hosts it herself -> Downtime.. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/34094 Feb 04 23:28
schestowitz balzac: can’t recall Feb 04 23:28
schestowitz I left her a word of encouragement: “I caught up all that you posted. Keep up the wonderful work. You’re among the last ones standing (not just in FOSS… the press in general is dying as you can probably tell). Feb 04 23:30
schestowitz I got some mails today from an editor and writer who were laid off.” Feb 04 23:30
balzac That happens to people whose work is not actually a necessity Feb 04 23:33
balzac it’s not good, but it happens Feb 04 23:33
balzac I’m making chump-change, but the work I do must be done for the small businesses which are my clients. Feb 04 23:33
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balzac But most of the people who had cushy jobs are making more from their unemployment checks than I’m making from working. Feb 04 23:34
balzac Anyway, I’m glad I changed my focus back to technology, away from content. Feb 04 23:35
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balzac As I mentioned before, I’m training for RedHat certification Feb 04 23:37
balzac I’m already decent at web design and development, but I don’t like having to cater to people in creative work. Feb 04 23:37
twitter Nice catch, Roy.  Ted Haeger schools the PR people.  What morons.  When someone leaves without making a stink, it’s better not to stir them up. Feb 04 23:40
trmanco http://my.opera.com/core/blog/2009/0… Feb 04 23:42
schestowitz Just a sec Feb 04 23:42
schestowitz balzac: good for you. Make use of it while it lasts.. I made some good choices myself, seeing how Google is eating dirt Feb 04 23:47
balzac Roy, I know that a lot of financial services companies here in NYC are going to have to upgrade their software, no matter how badly they’re doing. Feb 04 23:48
schestowitz trmanco: what’s the gist? Feb 04 23:48
schestowitz balzac: Red Hat and Solaris? Feb 04 23:48
balzac Solaris is not going to get the job done while GNU/Linux is available. Feb 04 23:48
schestowitz Migrations likely Feb 04 23:49
balzac I’m suggesting they drop Solaris in favor of Redhat Feb 04 23:49
schestowitz Have fun putting the non-Free software ‘to rest’ if you know what I mean Feb 04 23:49
balzac Solaris is no fun because it doesn’t have a strong community Feb 04 23:49
schestowitz They’ll call you the ‘binary assassin’ Feb 04 23:49
balzac I think of it like being a vampire hunter Feb 04 23:49
schestowitz “Take cover from the Sun, binaries assassin” Feb 04 23:50
balzac kill a dirty license for jesus Feb 04 23:50
schestowitz *LOL* Feb 04 23:50
balzac Sun needs to get real and admit, Open Solaris under their CDDL license is never going anywhere Feb 04 23:50
schestowitz You boot them into Red Hat CDs and they never wake up again Feb 04 23:50
schestowitz balzac: that would crash their stock further Feb 04 23:51
balzac then they ought to buy Canonical, but until they really understand GNU, they’re not fit to buy and run software companies based on GPL projects Feb 04 23:51
balzac I prefer debian-based distros. Feb 04 23:51
schestowitz That’d be like Microsoft saying “OK!! Vista stinks, we admit it. And Vista7 is just a fix and marketing” Feb 04 23:51
schestowitz They channeled their $300mil “Mojave” money to Vista7 Feb 04 23:52
balzac Sun needs to get real. I had the displeasure of using Solaris and it sucked. Feb 04 23:52
balzac And they really shouldn’t ask me for my email address before I can download mysql Feb 04 23:52
balzac that is very lame Feb 04 23:52
balzac They need to get real. Feb 04 23:52
balzac I could kick so much tail if I were the CEO of Sun. Feb 04 23:53
schestowitz Ponytail? Feb 04 23:55
schestowitz Remember Looking Glass? I doubt many people still use it. What a shame.. nice project Feb 04 23:56
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  12. Don't Fall for Microsoft's Spin That Says Everything is Not Secure and Cannot be Secured

    Microsoft keeps promoting the utterly false concept that everything is not secure and there's nothing that can be done about it (hence, might as well stay with Windows, whose insecurity is even intentional)

  13. At Long Last: 2,000 Known Gemini Capsules!

    The corporate media, looking to appease its major sponsors (such as Web/advertising giants), won't tell you that Gemini Protocol is rising very rapidly; its userbase and the tools available for users are rapidly improving while more and more groups, institutions and individuals set up their own capsule (equivalent of a Web site)

  14. Links 26/1/2022: Gamebuntu 1.0, PiGear Nano, and Much More

    Links for the day

  15. IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, January 25, 2022

    IRC logs for Tuesday, January 25, 2022

  16. Links 26/1/2022: No ARM for Nvidia, End of EasyArch, and WordPress 5.9 is Out

    Links for the day

  17. Why the Unified Patent Court (UPC) is Still Just a Fantasy and the UPC's Fake News Mill Merely Discredits the Whole Patent 'Profession'

    Patents and science used to be connected; but now that the patent litigation 'sector' is hijacking patent offices (and even courts in places like Texas) it's trying to shove a Unified Patent Court (UPC) down the EU's throat under the disingenuous cover of "community" or "unity"

  18. Links 25/1/2022: Vulkan 1.3 Released, Kiwi TCMS 11.0, and antiX 19.5

    Links for the day

  19. Gemini Milestones and Growth (Almost 2,000 Known Gemini Servers Now, 39,000 Pages in Ours)

    The diaspora to Gemini Protocol or the transition to alternative 'webs' is underway; a linearly growing curve suggests that inertia/momentum is still there and we reap the benefits of early adoption of Gemini

  20. [Meme] Get Ready for Unified Patent Court (UPC) to be Taken to Court

    The Unified Patent Court (UPC) and Unitary Patent system that’s crafted to empower EPO thugs isn’t legal and isn’t constitutional either; even a thousand fake news 'articles' (deliberate misinformation or disinformation) cannot change the simple facts because CJEU isn’t “trial by media”

  21. The EPO Needs High-Calibre Examiners, Not Politicians Who Pretend to Understand Patents and Science

    Examiners are meant to obstruct fake patents or reject meritless patent applications; why is it that working conditions deteriorate for those who are intellectually equipped to do the job?

  22. Free Software is Greener

    Software Freedom is the only way to properly tackle environmental perils through reuse and recycling; the mainstream media never talks about it because it wants people to "consume" more and more products

  23. Links 25/1/2022: Git 2.35 and New openSUSE Hardware

    Links for the day

  24. IRC Proceedings: Monday, January 24, 2022

    IRC logs for Monday, January 24, 2022

  25. Links 25/1/2022: GPL Settlement With Patrick McHardy, Godot 4.0 Alpha 1, and DXVK 1.9.4 Released

    Links for the day

  26. Proprietary Software is Pollution

    "My daughter asked me about why are we throwing away some bits of technology," Dr. Andy Farnell says. "This is my attempt to put into words for "ordinary" people what I tried to explain to a 6 year old."

  27. Microsoft GitHub Exposé — Part XV — Cover-Up and Defamation

    Defamation of one’s victims might be another offence to add to the long list of offences committed by Microsoft’s Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley; attempting to discredit the police report is a new low and can get Mr. Graveley even deeper in trouble (Microsoft protecting him only makes matters worse)

  28. [Meme] Alexander Ramsay and Team UPC Inciting Politicians to Break the Law and Violate Constitutions, Based on Misinformation, Fake News, and Deliberate Lies Wrapped up as 'Studies'

    The EPO‘s law-breaking leadership (Benoît Battistelli, António Campinos and their corrupt cronies), helped by liars who don't enjoy diplomatic immunity, are cooperating to undermine courts across the EU, in effect replacing them with EPO puppets who are patent maximalists (Europe’s equivalents of James Rodney Gilstrap and Alan D Albright, a Donald Trump appointee, in the Eastern and Western Districts of Texas, respectively)

  29. Has the Administrative Council Belatedly Realised What Its Job in the European Patent Organisation Really Is?

    The "Mafia" which took over the EPO (the EPO's own workers call it "Mafia") isn't getting its way with a proposal, so it's preventing the states from even voting on it!

  30. [Meme] Team UPC is Celebrating a Pyrrhic Victory

    Pyrrhic victory best describes what's happening at the moment (it’s a lobbying tactic, faking/staging things to help false prophecies be fulfilled, based on hopes and wishes alone), for faking something without bothering to explain the legal basis is going to lead to further escalations and complaints (already impending)

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